00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is connected episode 571 today's show is brought to you by steam clock gusto and ecam i am your ricky benchman federico vitticci and it's my pleasure to be joined by steven hello steven that's a relay co-founder champion steven yes yes relay co-founder champion with well we can talk about that later um yes congratulations on the show.
00:00:29 ◼ ► congratulations steven and welcome and uh i'm joined by mike he doesn't have any adjectives i do i'm the draft champion i'm the upgrade draft champion it's a different podcast oh i need to put my belt down my belt's still up oh yeah yeah take that down son belt needs to come down although you could call me the man of physical domination which is what was well not on you throughout the entire podcast-a-thon until the end and then uh if you have not seen the last like 11 minutes of the podcast-a-thon like
00:00:59 ◼ ► go watch it we're gonna talk more about st jude in a second but go watch it because what you will see is a feat that no one expected to happen and if i had a hundred tries i could not do again
00:01:11 ◼ ► me and brad were just talking about this on the pen addict i don't think anyone's ever done it before and i don't think anyone in human history will ever do it
00:01:18 ◼ ► it is it steven did one of the most incredible things i've ever seen in my life yes uh and and is therefore deserving of the championship even though he was physically dominated for 12 hours
00:01:30 ◼ ► or 11 hours and 50 minutes i don't like the way you keep saying physically dominated why i mean there were
00:01:38 ◼ ► physical challenges and i dominated especially to an old person like i don't really like that
00:01:45 ◼ ► it's elder it's like physically dominating an elbow yeah yeah i don't love that uh well you know
00:01:51 ◼ ► obviously the final what is it 10 12 minutes of uh yes it's worth every penny if you were a paid
00:02:00 ◼ ► live stream which is not uh but you can donate you can donate every penny we raised and hopefully you
00:02:07 ◼ ► can donate more than pennies um you know all of the pennies oh we should we should just talk about that
00:02:12 ◼ ► now how much is a penny how much is a penny by the way one cent what does that mean oh it's a cent yeah
00:02:17 ◼ ► what does that mean like in another currency yeah yes it's a cent it's there were 100 pennies in a
00:02:24 ◼ ► dollar okay if you're wondering what in the world are these guys talking about uh september's childhood
00:02:29 ◼ ► cancer awareness month we're raising money for saint jude children's research hospital as of this
00:02:34 ◼ ► recording we're at 530 000 raised for the month which is incredible coming up on 4.6 million dollars
00:02:43 ◼ ► raised since 2019 so awesome uh we do this because saint jude's life-saving mission is to
00:02:52 ◼ ► take these kids with pediatric cancer and other cash off diseases and make them better and care for
00:02:59 ◼ ► their families in the process and take all the research and learnings they have here in memphis at
00:03:04 ◼ ► the hospital and spread them worldwide to send cancer medication to countries worldwide to share research
00:03:10 ◼ ► freely worldwide it is such an important thing saint jude was founded by danny thomas you can go read
00:03:19 ◼ ► about danny thomas fascinating story but his vision was that no child would die in the dawn of life and as
00:03:25 ◼ ► someone who has stared down that barrel i can tell you it is terrifying even when you have the best
00:03:33 ◼ ► medicine available to you and even when you're not paying for it it is still super scary so yes we are
00:03:38 ◼ ► raising money for saint jude uh but we do this because these families like mine who have faced
00:03:44 ◼ ► pediatric childhood cancer uh they they need medicine they need treatment they need travel and lodging
00:03:51 ◼ ► but they also need hope they need to know that people have their back and that's what this is all about
00:03:59 ◼ ► and mike you were just in memphis last week we spoke about the podcast-a-thon um tell us a little bit
00:04:05 ◼ ► about kind of what this has meant to you this month so i've had lots of great experiences um at saint jude
00:04:12 ◼ ► like not just doing the podcast-a-thon but being able to go to places and see things on the massive
00:04:19 ◼ ► campus uh we've been to some of the buildings where um some of the really incredible science is being done
00:04:27 ◼ ► and we've got to speak to researchers and see the equipment that they're used but this time
00:04:31 ◼ ► uh was extra special because we got to go to a patient area again which is something that
00:04:44 ◼ ► understandably i would say cautious about having just people from the street essentially be in the
00:04:52 ◼ ► hospital right like it's it's not whilst it is an incredible place it is not a like museum right like you
00:05:00 ◼ ► don't just go and look around like it's that's not what it's about uh but we because of the work
00:05:06 ◼ ► that we're doing that um since you wanted us to see a new facility that's on the campus called the
00:05:10 ◼ ► domino's village which is a housing facility that is on the campus like throughout its history saint
00:05:17 ◼ ► jude has had lots of housing programs because we talk about the fact that if you have to travel to
00:05:21 ◼ ► saint jude you don't pay for travel you don't pay for housing like they take care of all that for you
00:05:25 ◼ ► food as well like it's all covered because they don't want you worrying about those things like
00:05:29 ◼ ► they'll look after you while you're with them um but the housing has been spread out all over the
00:05:35 ◼ ► place and uh what they wanted to do was to create something that felt like a home like homes for
00:05:40 ◼ ► people not hotels but homes but then be walkable to the treatment that the children needed um so they
00:05:47 ◼ ► created domino's village and it was amazing like to to be taken on this tour to be shown what one of
00:05:54 ◼ ► the units looked like i wanted like the two bedroom units but they have one and three bedroom units too
00:05:58 ◼ ► for larger families but then to walk around and see like these the places where you can go and eat
00:06:04 ◼ ► like because all your meals are catered you don't have to worry about that and they have these like
00:06:07 ◼ ► really cool dining rooms where i'm sure that all the kids are playing together like we were there
00:06:11 ◼ ► kind of in the middle of the day and you know one of i don't remember one of the group asked like
00:06:16 ◼ ► where are all the kids and the answer is well they're in treatment right now because that's what
00:06:20 ◼ ► they're doing every day like that that is how you beat this stuff um we did see a couple of kids
00:06:27 ◼ ► walking around and it really hurt my heart like because you see these kids and you can see what they're
00:06:34 ◼ ► going through and you know like in general this year has been much more emotional for me because
00:06:41 ◼ ► now i have my own child to like in my mind of like what that would feel like um but going around and
00:06:49 ◼ ► like seeing this environment it was just it was so inspiring and it just again was like well this is
00:06:55 ◼ ► why we do this like we we work together to try and raise money for this institution to make sure that
00:07:01 ◼ ► these kids are going to be cool and like that they're going to be saved and that their lives
00:07:05 ◼ ► are going to be improved and in the meantime that they're going to be able to try and feel like kids
00:07:09 ◼ ► to the best that they can so it was a very special trip yeah so we would love for you to visit the link
00:07:16 ◼ ► in the show notes the first link it goes to stjude.org slash relay and donate are there a couple other
00:07:22 ◼ ► things on the page you can see all the really cool donation incentives we got a screensaver and stickers and
00:07:28 ◼ ► if you have your own campaign coins um but there's also sections in this yellow box about employer
00:07:34 ◼ ► matching gifts and donor advised fund giving uh so we should check those out still a bit of september
00:07:40 ◼ ► left uh so we want to push this stjude.org slash relay okay follow up pull up yes joe is back
00:07:53 ◼ ► no god no the screens are green all of this i don't want any all of this i don't want it why
00:08:01 ◼ ► i'm sure we have had i would just like to confirm by the way there's a link in the show notes
00:08:06 ◼ ► that i clicked and it said removed by moderator oh no i'm so happy that the moderator of r slash iphone
00:08:14 ◼ ► agrees that conversations about green screens is a pointless conversation to have for a second i thought
00:08:21 ◼ ► in in the kindness of my heart i thought i will indulge steven one more time and i clicked the link
00:08:29 ◼ ► and it said removed what are we even talking about there was a report by a reddit user who apparently
00:08:49 ◼ ► apple according to the these people who have spent time on this has like three different
00:09:17 ◼ ► big olad came down from big color yeah we can do this the easy way or the hard way and they chose the
00:09:27 ◼ ► okay that's all i really hope we don't have to talk about this anymore but it feels like it's gonna
00:09:40 ◼ ► because the phones are always green no we got it you really didn't need to do that but thank you
00:09:57 ◼ ► yeah oh wait maybe i was i wasn't really myself two weeks ago so yeah that's true and maybe in the
00:10:04 ◼ ► most of this conversation may have happened on episodes that you you weren't on who knows yeah
00:10:08 ◼ ► i stopped wearing the apple watch i've not been wearing the apple watch for a few weeks
00:10:11 ◼ ► uh but the war has been lost uh because i was told in no uncertain terms last night you keep
00:10:16 ◼ ► messing my messages put your apple watch back on i was like okay it's pretty rude of casey to say
00:10:22 ◼ ► that honestly right i know but he's very needy he's didn't know didn't know your daughter was already
00:10:27 ◼ ► talking but she's texting she's texting i did send so basically uh adina needed something and i don't know
00:10:35 ◼ ► what i was doing i think i was washing up or something and so my phone was like in my pocket
00:10:39 ◼ ► i didn't feel it and uh it was a message sent and then subsequently two more messages that were just
00:10:45 ◼ ► question marks and then you know it's bad yeah you know it's a slippery slope yeah messed up so i was
00:10:51 ◼ ► like okay okay hands up i was like i'll i immediately went and updated it and transferred it to my new
00:10:58 ◼ ► phone so i'm wearing the apple watch again uh today i went through notifications turned off like as many
00:11:03 ◼ ► apps as possible i'm gonna try and really make this thing as least distracting as i can um but but i'm
00:11:10 ◼ ► back on and back on the apple watch uh let me tell you i don't know if maybe this got overlooked or
00:11:15 ◼ ► whatever but boy liquid glass looks horrific on the watch does it i think it's so bad the notifications
00:11:23 ◼ ► look terrible like it's not a legibility thing i just don't think it looks good like the the bubbles are
00:11:30 ◼ ► way too like it's all refraction because it's so small i really don't like it i kind of like it best
00:11:37 ◼ ► on the apple watch i don't like it i do not like it like i think yeah i i am in general a big fan
00:11:44 ◼ ► um of liquid glass i do not like it on the apple watch and also so i guess this is a new thing right
00:11:50 ◼ ► the the widget like suggestions yes well it was there last year i think well something's going on
00:11:57 ◼ ► because it will not stop trying to give me apps that i don't just don't use like you don't need to
00:12:03 ◼ ► recommend the podcast app to me because i like i never use the podcast app like so stop putting it in
00:12:09 ◼ ► there like here it is i don't want it go away so part of this might be i don't know part of this might
00:12:15 ◼ ► be because i've installed it on a new phone like i don't know if maybe some of my preferences in
00:12:20 ◼ ► carryover i don't know it should have done but uh my experience has not been not been awesome so far
00:12:26 ◼ ► but yeah i'm not a big fan of liquid glass uh on the apple watch i have some unrelated apple watch
00:12:33 ◼ ► follow-up about something that's been driving me crazy for the past year to the point where sylvia and i
00:12:39 ◼ ► actually got into multiple arguments because of this until i finally figured it out this morning
00:12:45 ◼ ► i couldn't figure out why even though i had sleep mode enabled on my apple watch my display would keep
00:12:55 ◼ ► waking up at night in sylvia's face and thus waking her up and thus getting me in trouble
00:13:03 ◼ ► big trouble uh she's a light sleeper as we've established on this show and on my other gaming
00:13:10 ◼ ► podcasts and you know any light source needs to be carefully managed couldn't figure it out i you
00:13:16 ◼ ► know i spent weeks trying these automations like when this focus mode enables set theater mode but that
00:13:23 ◼ ► was also kind of flaky and then last night woke her up again and this morning i was like i need to figure
00:13:29 ◼ ► this out like this is going to be a problem like i gotta stop wearing the apple watch at night if i
00:13:35 ◼ ► cannot figure it out there is a setting so if you have the sleep focus enabled you need to go into
00:13:44 ◼ ► settings focus sleep then you need to scroll this page under the customize screens section of this page
00:13:55 ◼ ► there's an options sub page now it's weird because you see an options page before this one there are two
00:14:06 ◼ ► buttons labeled options in this page you need to select the second one and in the second one
00:14:14 ◼ ► mine had the setting called sleep screen for some reason turned off i turned it on and now it's it goes black
00:14:25 ◼ ► right like it goes basically it kind of works like cinema mode or whatever yes yes so here's my
00:14:30 ◼ ► theory as to why that maybe wasn't working for you i wonder if at some point you set a custom
00:14:36 ◼ ► watch face for sleep oh maybe that turned it off i don't know this is also fiddly like that is
00:14:44 ◼ ► it is very funny to have two options it's two options options options options like i don't love the like
00:14:53 ◼ ► the entire focus management ui and especially the sleep scheduling stuff i really don't like
00:15:00 ◼ ► everything to do with settings with the apple watch is bad yeah like i just right now wanted to turn off
00:15:06 ◼ ► podcasts from as one of the recommendations in my smart stack yeah good luck so you have to go to like
00:15:11 ◼ ► edit and then scroll all the way down to the bottom of widget suggestions and then like like the way that
00:15:17 ◼ ► some of this i remember this was like in one of the max stories reviews from years ago i don't remember
00:15:23 ◼ ► who wrote the apple watch review that you might have been alex maybe alex yeah where he was describing
00:15:29 ◼ ► the way of like turning these things on and off and like you could do half of it on the iphone and half
00:15:36 ◼ ► on the watch of it on the watch of like and it's just like the way that like we've been through this
00:15:41 ◼ ► before right like if you want to get your battery health it's in the battery settings on the watch
00:15:46 ◼ ► not in the yes phone app gets me every time yeah yeah also like doesn't that has anyone ever
00:15:56 ◼ ► successfully and automatically installed a software update on the apple watch without it failing at
00:16:04 ◼ ► multiple times over the course of multiple days or just taking like just an incredible amount of time
00:16:15 ◼ ► it never does what are you doing i don't get it i don't get it speaking of updates i have not
00:16:24 ◼ ► installed tahoe yet just because i just haven't gotten around to it but i am curious specifically for
00:16:32 ◼ ► for steven's opinions on it i'm wondering if you've even attempted it federico because i heard you and
00:16:36 ◼ ► john talking about that bug i've done it on the macbook pro i still haven't done it on the mac studio
00:16:42 ◼ ► is it possible yet because i know there was like a bug with the ultra right obviously will not do it
00:16:47 ◼ ► right now uh i cannot in theory i can do it but i wherever it works or not who knows i do not want to
00:16:57 ◼ ► uh yeah close that's not too steven what is your what are your top line thoughts on tahoe
00:17:03 ◼ ► oh wow i was muted tahoe muted me yeah censorship i did i thought it was a bit i thought it was a bit
00:17:20 ◼ ► i don't think it looks very good the liquid glass particularly in window materials like tabs and
00:17:28 ◼ ► sidebars and toolbars just doesn't look cohesive with anything else like oh we brought our design
00:17:35 ◼ ► everywhere it's like no you didn't like you just put gray oval buttons everywhere like there's no
00:17:41 ◼ ► liquidiness hardly anywhere uh the app switcher looks cool it does some of the refraction stuff
00:17:47 ◼ ► all the windows are really rounded uh there was some feedback in uh in the feedback form was like
00:17:55 ◼ ► i tried to open a pdf and preview and like what i needed was in the corner and preview's window had
00:18:01 ◼ ► like obscured it because the radius is so big it's like oh yes we we want you to see your content is
00:18:09 ◼ ► like no you want me to see your stupid window radius not impressed with the design i think it's it's
00:18:15 ◼ ► very clearly the one that got the least amount of time and effort which is disappointing uh feature
00:18:21 ◼ ► wise though there's some really interesting stuff like spotlight is really interesting i have been
00:18:25 ◼ ► using it now for a week or so instead of alfred it's too early to say which way i'll go but it does a lot
00:18:33 ◼ ► of stuff that these third-party launchers and search tools can do now which is great the actions thing is
00:18:39 ◼ ► cool but a little tedious it's like i could just open messages and type to federico as fast as i could
00:18:45 ◼ ► say messages federico hi buddy you know like it's it's cool it's a building he does that often by the
00:18:52 ◼ ► way but hi buddy hey buddy you know i'm testing something hey buddy no steven's the worst when he
00:18:59 ◼ ► just texts hey hey hey he does that i hate it okay so let me clarify this because it's something that
00:19:06 ◼ ► in general annoys me very much in life steven are you one of those people who so you want something
00:19:13 ◼ ► from someone and you want to uh sort of issue that request over a text message are you one of those
00:19:21 ◼ ► people who uh sort of checks if the other person is responding to you before actually sending your
00:19:28 ◼ ► question oh like a feeler text i have this person in my life who whenever he needs to ask me a question
00:19:36 ◼ ► is he just texts hey yes and then doesn't actually doesn't actually send the question though i don't
00:19:43 ◼ ► know why he does it i don't know if it's a feeler thing but steven steven does this like this exact
00:19:47 ◼ ► thing i'm also bad about what could be one text message having like three in a row like bam bam
00:19:55 ◼ ► bam yeah i think we all do that that's like instant message culture that's right that's fine though
00:20:00 ◼ ► because then now you can reply to the individual message yeah so that's okay i think what i what i find
00:20:06 ◼ ► really annoying is that like let me gauge up front whether i want to uh interact with you depending on
00:20:14 ◼ ► the question that you send me instead of just saying hey as a way to check if i'm online and
00:20:19 ◼ ► ready for you or not you know you gotta start with the thing you want yes yeah well steven does this
00:20:25 ◼ ► he'll send a hey message he says hey it's usually followed up with bad news and so then every time
00:20:32 ◼ ► you get a hey it's like well you're like oh you gotta wait for him to write it you're like steven is
00:20:38 ◼ ► typing and you're like oh great you know yeah wow yeah no bad habit stop doing that stop doing
00:20:45 ◼ ► that uh going back to tahoe uh the icons being forced in round recs sucks like it takes so much fun
00:20:54 ◼ ► out of the icons apple's apparently really bad at icon design like the applications utilities folder is
00:20:59 ◼ ► just a straight-on disaster of things icons that used to be useful that are now no longer useful
00:21:05 ◼ ► however the image capture icon is delightful i'll put a link in the in the show notes do a screenshot
00:21:14 ◼ ► of it super awesome the way that came out but the other stuff not so great okay it's i mean usability
00:21:22 ◼ ► is fine like things work it's just not a spotlight you're using spotlight for a week now we'll see we'll see
00:21:30 ◼ ► if that stays six around there i can't tell if what i don't like about it is 10 years of alfred muscle
00:21:39 ◼ ► memory that i have to relearn or things i actually don't like about it so i'm going to give it some
00:21:43 ◼ ► more time okay that's the thing i'm most excited about spotlight yeah i think it has really great
00:21:51 ◼ ► potential is if the actions continue to flow in and they make it a little bit more fluid to use
00:21:57 ◼ ► and and the shortcuts automations as well i'm excited about those uh just before we leave follow up uh i
00:22:04 ◼ ► want to i'm just putting the show notes a link to just a great post from allison johnson of the verge
00:22:09 ◼ ► on threads uh it's a screenshot of imran chowdhury who was one of the founders of humane standing in front
00:22:14 ◼ ► of a hp logo saying with the subtitles breakthroughs like the omnibook 5 series delivering the world's
00:22:21 ◼ ► longest battery life it's just like yeah what a ride you know what i mean what a ride now here he is
00:22:30 ◼ ► talking about battery life and he just wanted us to see how much nutritional value was in some almonds
00:22:35 ◼ ► you know yeah or you know the um uh he they he and his wife met like a spiritual guru on a cliff and
00:22:46 ◼ ► like what should we build and the guru said the ai pen and now he's pitching hp laser jets
00:22:53 ◼ ► yep it's a bummer life comes at you fast i guess it does uh it does it's it's something else
00:23:01 ◼ ► oh one more thing in tahoe i want to say i'm sorry i just remembered oh safari also really ugly
00:23:08 ◼ ► and the thing that kills me because it's something i do all the time is if you have a like a pop-up
00:23:15 ◼ ► ends like a like a hey i'm deleting some stuff you know like a warning in safari it also highlights
00:23:30 ◼ ► safari's hitting a hideousness is too much it's it's not good so overall you are not happy about
00:23:39 ◼ ► tahoe not with the redesign i think the redesign's uh uh swing and a miss okay uh federico how was the
00:23:48 ◼ ► um response been to your review your iris review it was great it was really good and i'm i'm very
00:23:54 ◼ ► happy about it um i was kind of concerned that and i'm still i'm still very tired um i was concerned
00:24:06 ◼ ► that i wouldn't get it done in time or that i don't know or that i i i failed to estimate the
00:24:16 ◼ ► time that it would take me but no i i the time estimation was was good like i was able to finish it
00:24:22 ◼ ► in just the right amount of time uh with all the kind of like the the level of detail that i wanted
00:24:28 ◼ ► so i am personally happy with it it seems that people are really happy with it like the tone
00:24:34 ◼ ► the style the detail even though you know a lot of people disagree with me and my take on liquid glass
00:24:39 ◼ ► um at the very least they said that it was interesting so that you know and that it was
00:24:43 ◼ ► informative even though they disagree with the opinion so and that's you know that's what a review
00:24:47 ◼ ► should be i think um i am really happy and and i wrote about this in the in the max voice weekly
00:24:55 ◼ ► newsletter i'm really happy with the sort of ai based workflow that i used for like to help me
00:25:02 ◼ ► so that i could just focus like as i wrote like lock myself in a room get 40 000 almost 40 000 words done
00:25:09 ◼ ► and get as much help as possible from the ai and these these new ais that are sort of grounding
00:25:16 ◼ ► themselves in web search results right to help me with research and actual you know uh actual search
00:25:23 ◼ ► results from the web instead of hallucinations um i'm happy about that balance of like there were there
00:25:31 ◼ ► were a ton of people involved including me my editor the people who helped me but also you know getting
00:25:37 ◼ ► some help from the robots that was that was that was good that was good and something definitely
00:25:42 ◼ ► something that will continue um i did fail to estimate if anything just how tired i would be after that
00:25:53 ◼ ► because not only did i have to finish the review but also write the making of story and as a result
00:25:59 ◼ ► i wanted to have these apple intelligence shortcuts and drafts actions out this week um but i just cannot
00:26:06 ◼ ► do it i need to sleep that is that is the simple truth like i gotta sleep and i'm sorry but i'll get
00:26:13 ◼ ► them delivered to people you know who signed up for the review you know uh they signed up you know a bunch
00:26:17 ◼ ► of people signed up for a month which i super appreciate i'll get them delivered to them uh obviously within
00:26:23 ◼ ► their their one month trial if they decide to remain just for one month but um and i do have my shortcuts
00:26:30 ◼ ► i'm just very tired so that's something that that gets me every year i get it done in time but i fail to
00:26:37 ◼ ► estimate the how i'm gonna feel after and uh that is something that i gotta work on because i i know you
00:26:46 ◼ ► it's like yeah sure i get the review and then i'll work on these and these extras but then i always
00:26:52 ◼ ► forget oh you're tired you need to sleep it could be argued that maybe the like the extras are a problem
00:27:00 ◼ ► you know what i mean like i get why they exist but it's maybe the wrong time to be working on maybe
00:27:07 ◼ ► extra stuff and we'll see next year but now i'm on the hook for this one so i'll do them i mean i know
00:27:13 ◼ ► i i have the shortcuts i'm using them myself so that's not that's not the issue uh i just uh something
00:27:19 ◼ ► that i want to improve next year is um and especially like um in the final days of the review just
00:27:27 ◼ ► feeling a little more relaxed is what i would like to accomplish because the final day like i've been
00:27:33 ◼ ► able to keep relatively a stress-free life for the whole thing except the final few days and you know
00:27:42 ◼ ► sylvia noticed at home she's like boy you really are you know not fun this this final few days and
00:27:49 ◼ ► i was like yeah i know and i'm sorry it's a big project yeah no stress yeah but i would like i would
00:27:54 ◼ ► like to get better at the final part and being more realistic about what comes after yeah you would
00:28:01 ◼ ► think that after 11 reviews i i would have learned how to do that but you know well i think the problem
00:28:10 ◼ ► is the scope changes yeah and you're older than you used to be that's also very true slow slow typing
00:28:19 ◼ ► really i mean i had that realization this week i was like oh the podcast was a lot easier when i was 32
00:28:26 ◼ ► than 39 it takes time you know you gotta you gotta be patient with yourself this was the one easy
00:28:33 ◼ ► this is the easiest on me of all of them i think at least at the 12 hour ones i felt great maybe the
00:28:40 ◼ ► physical domination wore me out yeah you know what it probably did it probably did uh but like this this
00:28:48 ◼ ► review was longer than last year right like i don't know if you would necessarily plan that but
00:28:53 ◼ ► it just is just based on the fact that there was more to write about there was a design lots of ipad
00:28:59 ◼ ► yeah yeah i'll do it yeah i have not finished it yet i'm only a few chapters in i'm afraid but i'm
00:29:05 ◼ ► enjoying it and i will get through it because i love to get through it but i'm going i am going slow
00:29:09 ◼ ► this year because i just with all the travel just didn't have the time but i'm i'm deep in the design
00:29:15 ◼ ► section uh right now which i knew i was going to enjoy so and i am uh but i've got good news for you
00:29:22 ◼ ► ios 26.1 no i the ios 26.1 beta is out i'll put a link in the show notes to nine to five mac and
00:29:32 ◼ ► there's a bunch of tweaks there's a lot of visual tweaks which i guess kind of expected and i've
00:29:36 ◼ ► seen a bunch more kind of like linked on threads it's like there's some some stuff that's just changed
00:29:42 ◼ ► like just completely different um like the the the photos at video scrubber just looks completely
00:29:49 ◼ ► different for example but there are a bunch of tweaks throughout the system to the way that
00:29:54 ◼ ► some stuff is being shown like liquid glass elements which you'd kind of assume but i thought something
00:29:59 ◼ ► specifically interesting uh to you federico is that uh nine to five mac also found reference to um
00:30:08 ◼ ► mcp uh support uh app like mcp support coming to app intense quote from the nine to five mac article
00:30:16 ◼ ► based on today's code apple plans to let developers use a system level mcp integration to expose actions
00:30:25 ◼ ► yeah i have some some more details about this um that i think i'm gonna i'm gonna write up in a story
00:30:43 ◼ ► like uh like the band um or like the the objects for which you or the objects which you open exactly
00:30:51 ◼ ► um yeah and and and a whole lot of references about mcp inside of this framework and my understanding is
00:30:58 ◼ ► that apple is basically setting up setting up a system where um where there's a local mcp server
00:31:06 ◼ ► on ios that sort of exposes functionalities from app intents to the server so if you never played
00:31:15 ◼ ► around with mcp that's um it's this sort of universal system for ai for llms to have additional tools
00:31:23 ◼ ► right and these tools are essentially either search actions or actions that perform stuff
00:31:30 ◼ ► like you can search i don't know your notion page or you can modify your notion page um chagpt cloud
00:31:38 ◼ ► perplexity all of the major players are supporting mcp now what's interesting here is that it's unclear
00:31:45 ◼ ► with this framework um because i could see apple doing two things i could see apple say well um we are
00:31:52 ◼ ► going to rethink um the thing we announced for apple intelligence and our own models and app intents
00:32:02 ◼ ► we are actually going to embrace the industry standard of mcp this was my first instinct when i read
00:32:10 ◼ ► this article which was my first instinct was something else okay which is it would be funny and interesting
00:32:19 ◼ ► if apple saw what cloud and perplexity are doing in terms of integrating with local ios frameworks like
00:32:30 ◼ ► calendar and reminders and music but obviously cloud and perplexity can only integrate with those
00:32:35 ◼ ► frameworks because that's the only thing they have access to uh as a third-party app they cannot
00:32:41 ◼ ► integrate with app intents from shortcuts and from other apps at all and it would be interesting if apple
00:32:50 ◼ ► set this up in a way where other llms could also have additional tools from your iphone or from your ipad
00:33:01 ◼ ► or your mac based on third party apps so imagine if in cloud you could say well i want you to process my
00:33:10 ◼ ► tasks from i don't know uh music box on ios or if perplexity could work with the shortcut actions from
00:33:18 ◼ ► fantastical or something um essentially like an mcp server managed by apple with the sort of permission
00:33:26 ◼ ► system and privacy system um managed by apple i would imagine like a lot of permission screens
00:33:34 ◼ ► and authorization screens right uh which i mean and before you say but what about sending data to
00:33:40 ◼ ► third-party services i mean that is exactly what's going on in shortcuts when you connect
00:33:47 ◼ ► an app intent to a web service like that is exactly what's going on you can take you right now today
00:33:53 ◼ ► you can take your data from fantastical from things from whatever app uses app intents and you can send
00:34:00 ◼ ► it off to the notion api to the cloud api to the chargept whatever and i guess also like anytime you
00:34:08 ◼ ► ever use any app you're always sending something somewhere yes like yes these aren't gonna my assumption
00:34:14 ◼ ► is these aren't just gonna do stuff on their own like you have to ask for something to occur for it to
00:34:20 ◼ ► to trigger some kind of mcp action like it's gonna come from a user intent would be my assumption
00:34:26 ◼ ► yeah i mean obviously yes yeah um so i think there are really two ways to to that i could see this play
00:34:35 ◼ ► out one is well apple is just going to embrace mcp as a way to uh rethink what they promised with their
00:34:43 ◼ ► third-party app integrations and how uh not necessarily how developers write those actions developers
00:34:49 ◼ ► wouldn't be affected at all but how the large language model the foundation model that they're
00:34:55 ◼ ► working on and the new series that they're working on i could see apple just say well instead of
00:35:00 ◼ ► whatever we were doing we're just going to embrace the industry standard the other way could be well we
00:35:07 ◼ ► know that our foundation model is not going to be as powerful as what people can do these days with
00:35:13 ◼ ► high gpt or cloud or perplexity on their iphones and we see that you know two of these llms cloud and
00:35:19 ◼ ► perplexity they have enabled some kind of minimal integration with ios what if we could pitch our
00:35:27 ◼ ► platform and our unique strong app ecosystem as an advantage for using ai from other companies on apple
00:35:36 ◼ ► devices what if your apps your third party apps could participate with these other llms even though
00:35:43 ◼ ► they're not our own foundation model what if you could do it with an industry standard of mcp but done
00:35:49 ◼ ► you know managed on device with the permission system that you control authorizations for read and write
00:35:56 ◼ ► you know exactly how it works in other in other services that would be interesting as a way for apple to say
00:36:02 ◼ ► well yeah now you you know your iphone app ecosystem can also be part of this modern generation of of
00:36:10 ◼ ► lms it feels like the i don't know the easiest but like it feels like a way to get to a point where such
00:36:18 ◼ ► a thing could exist because there has been you know since since apple announced the like you know apple
00:36:25 ◼ ► intelligence app intense framework there is a question of like why would any app do this like why would you
00:36:31 ◼ ► just give apple the control of your applications via siri like why would you do this to most people
00:36:37 ◼ ► you know you're trying to get to a scenario people aren't using your apps they're like siri's just doing
00:36:42 ◼ ► the stuff for you but if there is going to be a standard it makes sense for apple to integrate with
00:36:48 ◼ ► that because then people don't have to go into apple's system apple could just use that one or app
00:36:53 ◼ ► intents right depending on what people i guess as a developer wants to use so i think that there is a
00:36:58 ◼ ► logic to it but it is just the thing that is funny that i guess if siri wouldn't have been delayed they
00:37:03 ◼ ► wouldn't have even looked at this they'd just be like well you can come with us or bust but now
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00:38:35 ◼ ► it is new iphone season we have new devices in hand and thought we could talk about our impressions what we think
00:38:46 ◼ ► so far um federico you ordered an iphone air as your phone for the next year how is that going
00:38:53 ◼ ► i love this thing i really really do like it's i i i was concerned about the camera and i was concerned
00:39:03 ◼ ► about the battery uh the battery's not really been a problem so far like i work from home most days
00:39:11 ◼ ► and um so i can keep my phone on a charger in the afternoon to you know top up the battery some more
00:39:17 ◼ ► um and when i'm not at home and i'm driving i have to use wired carplay anyway so that charges the phone
00:39:26 ◼ ► so i haven't and i i've been to the beach i brought the magsafe battery with me didn't really have to use
00:39:33 ◼ ► it because it lasted me the whole day and then when we were driving back i just plugged my phone into my car
00:39:37 ◼ ► so that was also fine uh battery's not been an issue uh the camera i do i do miss my 5x but
00:39:44 ◼ ► it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make it's a compromise i'm willing to accept because of everything else about
00:39:52 ◼ ► this phone just holding this phone um just how nice it feels how it disappears into my pocket because i
00:40:00 ◼ ► don't really feel it how it doesn't hurt my wrist to hold it up when i'm reading something in the
00:40:06 ◼ ► evening in fact i would say this phone is actually changing my habits for unwinding at the end of the
00:40:13 ◼ ► day like i'm now reading uh articles and watching youtube videos before going to sleep on my phone
00:40:21 ◼ ► inside of my tablet because it's just so pleasant to hold with one hand like this phone if like it's
00:40:28 ◼ ► if you wanted to to to sort of kick the bad habit of doom scrolling like this phone won't help because
00:40:36 ◼ ► this phone is such a pleasure to use with one hand and just scroll um screen looks great performance is
00:40:43 ◼ ► great i'm having this one particular issue that apple wanted me to file a feedback for for iMessage
00:40:51 ◼ ► not activating uh for my phone number and my phone number only there seems to be an issue with a whole
00:40:57 ◼ ► bunch of people on reddit who recently switched to eSIM and then migrated from an old phone to the new
00:41:04 ◼ ► iPhone it'll get fixed eventually plus i'm using my iCloud email for iMessage so it's not a big deal
00:41:10 ◼ ► um i really do love this thing i love how it feels and because i love so much of the design of this
00:41:19 ◼ ► phone how polished it is how thin it is i'm i've been going caseless for for the past week and i do have
00:41:27 ◼ ► options i i got the uh the bumper from apple i got the sooty foam back um i really don't like them
00:41:37 ◼ ► because they they sooty foam back you're you're a sooty foam back that's just how i initially want to
00:41:43 ◼ ► respond when you say wow yeah you're a sooty foam back yeah um i love this thing and i love how
00:41:51 ◼ ► i love that it feels futuristic and and it's hitting the same notes as the iphone 10 yes and i love
00:41:58 ◼ ► whenever i look at it and i think isn't it so cool that most of the phone is in the plateau at the top and
00:42:05 ◼ ► it is cool and i think this will be a really good exercise for me to get ready for next year for a
00:42:11 ◼ ► foldable that according to the rumors it's going to be two of these things glued together uh so yeah
00:42:17 ◼ ► i think it's interesting that you compared it to the iphone 10 because it really feels like the biggest
00:42:25 ◼ ► change change since then you know the you could say on the pro side maybe since the maybe since like
00:42:34 ◼ ► the 12 right when they went to the flat sides and and sort of the corner you know being filled with
00:42:41 ◼ ► cameras but this thing is is different i have both right now and i've you know several people have asked
00:42:50 ◼ ► me like do you have the new phones and i'll show them to them and everyone's like oh wow they made
00:42:54 ◼ ► an orange pro and then i hand them the air and they're like holy smokes what is this you know it
00:43:06 ◼ ► one that would be uh tricky for me because i do i look through my photo library i do use the zoom a
00:43:11 ◼ ► fair amount but there is something about holding this phone that feels yeah it feels like the future
00:43:18 ◼ ► and that future is not fully here so you do have some of the trade-offs but if you're willing to accept
00:43:25 ◼ ► those or they work you know they fit into your life like you said then this is really something to
00:43:30 ◼ ► experience um it really is it feels like a big moment yeah i uh i mean you saying about the the
00:43:40 ◼ ► no case federico my my hot take is that you you should not use a case if you have an iphone air
00:43:46 ◼ ► yeah i just think you ruin it putting a case on it ruins it like it takes the fun away this thing is
00:43:54 ◼ ► it's i think especially uh interesting to use when you have both so like i my phone is a orange 17 pro
00:44:05 ◼ ► yes and i bought the air as my like widget smith phone essentially um and it's it's it is now
00:44:15 ◼ ► actually going to take the place of my uh my google fold as my work phone because just because this is
00:44:21 ◼ ► where i am set up on a new apple id and so because it was becoming very difficult to take video and photos
00:44:28 ◼ ► for uh some of the stuff that i'm doing and not have my own information in it so it needs i need
00:44:34 ◼ ► something that's kind of siloed that's running ios so going between the two devices makes me appreciate
00:44:42 ◼ ► the thinness and lightness more frequently maybe than because i'm like i'm every time i pick it up i'm like
00:44:50 ◼ ► my word and like this it is absolutely a marvel um i don't have any particular feelings about the
00:44:59 ◼ ► things that people would most dislike about this phone because it's not my main phone right so like
00:45:06 ◼ ► i'm not taking pictures on it that i care about and i'm not using it as much as my other iphone so
00:45:13 ◼ ► battery life just isn't a thing that i'm thinking about so i kind of just have all of the upside when i use
00:45:18 ◼ ► this device and it seems it is actually an incredible thing that they have made like just
00:45:25 ◼ ► i think to be able to build something that is this powerful just the fact that it has a promotion
00:45:32 ◼ ► display like is i'm so pleased that it does but it's like wild that it does as well as having like
00:45:38 ◼ ► a pro chip and all that kind of stuff i just think it's it's just an incredibly impressive thing that
00:45:45 ◼ ► they have done and i really love this phone and i love using it um i don't think i don't know if i if
00:45:53 ◼ ► it could be my only phone like i i think i would miss the options for the camera um and i don't think
00:46:00 ◼ ► the battery life would be enough for me just just seeing the fact that like i will use on an average
00:46:07 ◼ ► day i will use the battery on my pro phone so like and i get to low power mode which would suggest
00:46:13 ◼ ► like when i'm at home i don't really charge my phone in the same way when i'm at home like i
00:46:17 ◼ ► charge my phone when i'm at the studio by just putting my phone on my wireless charger but i don't
00:46:21 ◼ ► really have that at home my wireless charger is by my bedside and i don't typically take my phone
00:46:25 ◼ ► or just put it by the bedside and like walk away or whatever and so i would definitely notice the
00:46:31 ◼ ► battery life but yeah i mean this is a phone that i would encourage people to get like if you think
00:46:38 ◼ ► that you would like that and you think that you could deal with the battery and deal with the camera
00:46:41 ◼ ► like if that if you're like not if it doesn't immediately make you recoil like i would recommend
00:46:46 ◼ ► this phone because i just think that it is so awesome federico do you have the battery pack
00:46:58 ◼ ► have you used it with no not yet not really okay just like you would if you had to kind of thing
00:47:05 ◼ ► yeah yes yeah whenever whenever i know that i'm going out for a few hours i take it with me
00:47:10 ◼ ► but i still haven't used it i do think the colors are amiss on this like in a way that i don't
00:47:17 ◼ ► understand like so i have i got i got the black one it's pretty sick yeah the black one is probably
00:47:23 ◼ ► the best one um i got the blue one just because i was interested and like in some lights it's like
00:47:28 ◼ ► it's a pleasant blue but most of the time it just looks white and it is so interesting that they did
00:47:33 ◼ ► this on a year where like the other phones will look have great colors so why did this one
00:47:38 ◼ ► like is there does they always have to be a phone that has a bad range of colors like is that the
00:47:44 ◼ ► is it they have to do this so they like is this some kind of like blood pact that someone in the apple
00:47:48 ◼ ► design team made like now that the pro phones have got these beautiful bright bold colors now the air
00:47:55 ◼ ► will get the not really colors like the gold and the blue just like they should have done a golden
00:48:02 ◼ ► blue but like they didn't it's very peculiar like i'm not really sure what they were what they were
00:48:07 ◼ ► going for with that but the blue is there if you want it yeah we did themes and widget smith to match
00:48:14 ◼ ► the new phone colors we did in the last couple years and the sky blue one for the the iphone air is
00:48:20 ◼ ► like is that actually blue like so i'm i'm i'm running it so like i i i have that theme on my
00:48:28 ◼ ► phone right now because to match the blue it just looks white yeah it just it just looks white uh and
00:48:35 ◼ ► it's not not not awesome colors this time i gotta say not awesome yeah on the on the pro side of things
00:48:43 ◼ ► i mean this phone i said this on mac power users it comes out sunday but it reminds me of the 14 and
00:48:50 ◼ ► 16 inch macbook pro you know before it was all like thunderbolt and touch bar and i guess then as
00:48:55 ◼ ► possible and and when they redid them with apple silicon it's like no we're gonna make this like a
00:48:59 ◼ ► professional laptop with ports and battery life and thickness and this phone kind of feels like it's
00:49:06 ◼ ► that comes from the same place like it's definitely a bit chunkier in the hand uh you know it's got the
00:49:15 ◼ ► huge camera plateau but like it feels like a thing like the way the new macbook pros do i keep saying new
00:49:20 ◼ ► they've been out like four years but you know what i mean um i really like it and i really like the orange
00:49:26 ◼ ► color i think a friend of ours was saying that they might find it a bit obnoxious in the long term and like
00:49:32 ◼ ► i guess i can see that but i think it looks cool and if you put it in a case then you just get kind
00:49:37 ◼ ► of the orange stripe across the back and that that's also nice um i did i did pick up apple's tech woven
00:49:43 ◼ ► case and i don't know if i'm in the minority or not but i'm not really impressed with it like the fabric
00:49:50 ◼ ► is definitely different on the back but also kind of can't shake the feeling that it's fine woven that's
00:49:56 ◼ ► with like some wax dripped over it but it's the rest of the case still feels too cheap for what
00:50:01 ◼ ► it is like on mine at least kind of where if you use your pinky to like hold your phone to support
00:50:07 ◼ ► your phone the edge that lands on your finger is sharp like it's not rounded over you can feel the
00:50:13 ◼ ► seams between the plastic and the fabric on the back it's just not as premium feeling as i think that
00:50:20 ◼ ► price point requires so i did pick up uh the black leather nomad case which is the new version of it
00:50:27 ◼ ► which i'd used previously and when i use a case that'll be the case i use i still think apple is is
00:50:37 ◼ ► yeah i i the case is just not interesting to me i i bought the crossbody strap just because i was
00:50:46 ◼ ► interested um in what that was all about for the air and i got the bumper because i also was intrigued
00:50:51 ◼ ► but like yeah the bumper you still can feel the thinness of the phone but it takes it away from the
00:50:56 ◼ ► sides and you know the strap is an interesting thing like it's not a product that i would want for
00:51:02 ◼ ► myself but i absolutely can see why somebody would and i think apple did a decent job with it
00:51:06 ◼ ► except for the way that you attach it to the phone um like you're kind of just left with these dangly
00:51:13 ◼ ► bits when you take the strap off your body like if you if you remove the strap from the case you just
00:51:18 ◼ ► have these like little dangles from the bottom of your phone and like i don't i don't think that's a
00:51:23 ◼ ► very elegant way of doing this like i see why they did it the way that they did but i would have liked
00:51:28 ◼ ► to have seen them do something a bit different um the the prop my kind of feelings on the 17 pro um
00:51:34 ◼ ► irrespective of the air this feels like a dense little block of a phone yeah yeah it has a very
00:51:41 ◼ ► different feeling to to the phones that came before it it is noticeably heavier and it feels different
00:51:48 ◼ ► right and and one and one of the things they've done to make it feel nicer um is to round the edges
00:51:55 ◼ ► right so like the rounding of the edges makes it feel comfortable in the hand but like it is
00:51:59 ◼ ► definitely a thing like i even to me like my kind of the way i feel about the phone is is weird
00:52:07 ◼ ► like when i'm holding it like it almost the screen feels smaller to me but it isn't it's it's bigger
00:52:13 ◼ ► um i don't know if it's the the aluminium maybe doesn't poke out as much as the rails did on the
00:52:20 ◼ ► other phone kind of like visually like i'm not actually sure what's going on i think it also may be
00:52:24 ◼ ► the color like i really noticed the rails on this phone yeah even in a case because you get like a
00:52:31 ◼ ► little strip of orange around it of course you know we chose the bright color i'm not complaining
00:52:35 ◼ ► about that i'm psyched they did a a good bright color on the pros but yeah i think you're right
00:52:41 ◼ ► there is something to that um and i think you know i think part of it may be too that this this phone
00:52:49 ◼ ► it feels like a thing that yeah like yes it's gonna scratch this and is aluminum but like i think it's
00:52:55 ◼ ► gonna be cool if it gets dinged up right like like that very famous photo of the first iphone
00:53:02 ◼ ► maybe we can find it put in the show notes but where it's like just destroyed i think was carried
00:53:07 ◼ ► by an apple designer for years and i think this phone could do that like i'm not worried about
00:53:12 ◼ ► scratching mine anodized aluminum is going to scratch but maybe maybe that's part of like what
00:53:19 ◼ ► makes this phone cool that it's not this or doesn't feel at least like this fragile piece of jewelry that
00:53:25 ◼ ► the iphone pro has felt like for years especially in the stainless steel era right when the edges were
00:53:31 ◼ ► really shiny which is what they did on on the on the air but the air also doesn't feel like a piece
00:53:37 ◼ ► of joy it's like its own thing kind of in its own new category but the pro doesn't feel as like
00:53:42 ◼ ► fragile or dainty as it once did which i like i think that's i think that's good yeah so we have
00:53:47 ◼ ► a gate it's called scratch gate scratch gate um joe the phones are scratching so uh i have a voice
00:53:55 ◼ ► especially there are especially the orange one i guess orange i have i have two quotes that i'm
00:54:01 ◼ ► going to read from chance miller at nine to five mac apple tells me it has determined these
00:54:06 ◼ ► imperfections are caused by worn mag safe stands used in some apple stores so people were finding
00:54:11 ◼ ► scratched iphones in apple stores and posting pictures of them it also clarifies that the marks
00:54:16 ◼ ► aren't scratches but rather material transfer from the stand to the phone that is removable with
00:54:21 ◼ ► cleaning and then also the iphone 17 pro's camera plateau edges have similar characteristics to the
00:54:26 ◼ ► edge of the anodized aluminium cases on other apple products including other iphone models and macbooks
00:54:36 ◼ ► users may see normal wear and tear including small abrasions over time here's my my my feeling on
00:54:42 ◼ ► this i think this is an absolute nothing story yeah scratch gate i just think it's it's honestly i just
00:54:48 ◼ ► think it's a ridiculous thing for people to spend time on and my feeling on it is i guess like people
00:54:53 ◼ ► looking for clout on social media or website impressions were just unhappy that the air didn't
00:54:57 ◼ ► bend so they had to find something else to focus on that's a good take like people were so excited
00:55:03 ◼ ► about bending the air but that didn't work and the air is super durable and so they're like oh okay
00:55:09 ◼ ► like here's some scratches and there's some iFixit stuff and iFixit have been able to scratch phones
00:55:14 ◼ ► or whatever but i just i just don't know what people expect like that these things that we we kind of
00:55:22 ◼ ► throw around our lives and like shove into pockets and throw into bags like that they can somehow
00:55:27 ◼ ► fight against physics like i don't i just don't understand what the expectations that people have is
00:55:34 ◼ ► can i say something i want you to say whatever it is i find the whole like oh is it gonna break is it
00:55:40 ◼ ► gonna scratch like subculture really weird it is weird it's incredibly weird like if i could have a
00:55:47 ◼ ► conversation with some of these people who are really into the like there are entire channels dedicated to
00:55:52 ◼ ► like oh which level is it gonna scratch like let me ask you like in your own home do you just go
00:55:59 ◼ ► around and try and scratch and bend stuff in your home or do you pay attention to your furniture to
00:56:05 ◼ ► your i don't know your clothes to your shoes to your pets like or do you just go around and try and
00:56:12 ◼ ► damage stuff ah because i don't get it like you just spent a thousand euros on a phone what you want
00:56:20 ◼ ► to be an idiot and try and scratch it i mean when the video makes ten thousand dollars then it's a
00:56:25 ◼ ► business sure ah see that's a different conversation though yes it's there are people that do this and
00:56:31 ◼ ► it's like you know there's like the jerry rig everything is like the guy right like it's his
00:56:36 ◼ ► thing and he does yeah i'm sorry but i don't get it i like i don't get it i don't get it i don't get
00:56:40 ◼ ► it it's like but he's made a business on it right so it's like well he of course he's gonna do it
00:56:45 ◼ ► good for him yeah it's the people chasing it that i have even that i'm even more perplexed about
00:56:50 ◼ ► personally right like this weird obsession yeah okay like the people that buy iphones and then just
00:56:56 ◼ ► like throw them on the ground when they get outside yeah i just why are you doing this like i just don't
00:57:01 ◼ ► throw it on it just i just don't get it very strange to me very strange yeah so i just i have i have no
00:57:09 ◼ ► you know i will say the i put the i fix it teardowns both phones scored a seven out of ten which is i
00:57:14 ◼ ► probably about as good as an iphone could ever score on the i fix it scale and you should you
00:57:19 ◼ ► should go watch those it's always interesting to see how these iphones are put together the pro phone
00:57:23 ◼ ► is built differently than ever before because it has that aluminum unibody they did i think rightfully
00:57:29 ◼ ► complain like yeah it's kind of a bummer you have to go to the screen to get anything the previous
00:57:33 ◼ ► phones are like a sandwich you could take apart from the front or the back but the air is clearly the
00:57:39 ◼ ► winner in terms of the amount of time it got in engineering not the whole phone is not in the
00:57:45 ◼ ► plateau but most of it is and it is just wild to see them take take these things apart and the amount
00:57:56 ◼ ► of work that goes into these like i it's it's hard to imagine i mean we we know right that these phones
00:58:02 ◼ ► take years to develop and build and and then manufacture right then you run into a manufacturing
00:58:07 ◼ ► problem you have to redesign something but there have been very few years that i have really felt
00:58:13 ◼ ► like oh this is really clear that this takes a long time and this year both the pro and the air
00:58:25 ◼ ► yeah uh so a few other things that i i um wanted to mention on the pro just fundamentally i just think
00:58:35 ◼ ► it's really funny that we've gotten to the point that an iphone needs like a specific cooling system
00:58:40 ◼ ► that is just like a funny thing to me like how did we get here that like the iphone chip is so
00:58:47 ◼ ► powerful that now it needs like a vapor chamber cooling system i just find that to be funny and i will
00:58:53 ◼ ► i will say my my iphone 17 pro i've not noticed it getting hot which i mean my 16 pro was a daily
00:58:59 ◼ ► occurrence that it was getting hot so i i think it's doing the thing especially considering the
00:59:04 ◼ ► fact that my phone is downloading millions of messages and tens of thousands of photos you know
00:59:10 ◼ ► still um i much prefer the four times zoom over the five times zoom and then having the eight
00:59:16 ◼ ► times is great um that is just like a better balance for me yeah how is the the eight times zoom
00:59:22 ◼ ► been for you i mentioned this in our group thread but i have at least inside like in dimmer light
00:59:29 ◼ ► the eight x seems to struggle to focus for me a little bit like it'll do it it's not like it's
00:59:34 ◼ ► broken but it takes a beat and that's not something i've seen on an iphone in a long time but it's only
00:59:39 ◼ ► the eight x and only like indoor kind of you know in the evenings um i mean it's taken a second
00:59:47 ◼ ► i i but this is not a thing that i would think was weird okay if like i'm looking at it now and it's
00:59:55 ◼ ► like maybe i'm seeing what you're seeing like it folk it takes a second to focus i think what might
01:00:01 ◼ ► actually be happening is it's doing some denoise smoothing it might be yeah because when you look
01:00:06 ◼ ► at the original image it's quite noisy and then it clears up so i think something's going on there
01:00:13 ◼ ► because also you've got this like there's a slight lag right on the on the eight times when you move it
01:00:18 ◼ ► around like i think it's the stabilization actually is what's going on like there's something in software
01:00:24 ◼ ► that's happening when you go into the eight times especially inside and so that might be what you're
01:00:28 ◼ ► what you're seeing like it takes a second to like kind of initialize and maybe that you're seeing it
01:00:32 ◼ ► maybe it's not a problem and it does do it i just i've just noticed it a little bit but yeah the 4x is
01:00:38 ◼ ► a really good range and it looks great uh all the cameras look great and even side by side i took
01:00:45 ◼ ► none of them i can't share any of them just because of where i was but taking some nighttime photos
01:00:51 ◼ ► outside last night with the pro in the air like standing in the same place like taking a photo of a
01:00:56 ◼ ► building that's lit up at night the pro is better than the air but they're really close like you
01:01:03 ◼ ► really have to pixel peep to see that the air is maybe not not quite on par with the pro on the main
01:01:09 ◼ ► shooter but if you can get by without the zoom levels and you want the thin phone like by all means get
01:01:17 ◼ ► the air the air seems incredible but like like you mike i think the cameras keep me in the pro camp this
01:01:24 ◼ ► year even though i really want to like understand the air like i'm going to keep this phone like
01:01:29 ◼ ► it it's going to be either my put my work number on it or have it as a kind of screenshot testing
01:01:36 ◼ ► machine for dave but having having this around i think is important because federico is definitely
01:01:42 ◼ ► right like this is one half of a folding high phone like this is why they built this and i think the
01:01:50 ◼ ► more we understand this phone now the more we're going to understand that phone when it comes
01:01:55 ◼ ► yeah and i'll say the orange i love it i see why some people might might find it to be it's a lot
01:02:02 ◼ ► right like it's a lot to have this as your daily phone um but i'm i'm on it big time i'm a big fan
01:02:10 ◼ ► and i really like the gloss portion i like that there's like a little two-tone going on yeah the color
01:02:15 ◼ ► kind of changes depending on the amount of light yeah i'm digging it i'm very happy this year i think
01:02:20 ◼ ► this is as expected a great phone year i think no matter what you get none of us have the 17 but i
01:02:26 ◼ ► expect people that buy the iphone 17 are having i mean if you're coming from a 16 to a 17 you might
01:02:31 ◼ ► actually be having the best experience yeah always on and promotion promotion huge i mean the the base
01:02:39 ◼ ► 17 i think i said this in the the ricky's episode like that's the biggest upgrade year over year in
01:02:45 ◼ ► an iphone in a minute well except for the air because there wasn't one so you've gone from i'm being an
01:02:52 ◼ ► idiot i'm sorry you didn't deserve that i apologize there was no need there was no need
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01:04:56 ◼ ► do we all have airpods pro 3 yes yes do you feel done next topic yes moving on to the apple yeah yes
01:05:10 ◼ ► it's not a clear win i don't think now i this is weird right because all the reviews are like slam dunk and
01:05:16 ◼ ► i and i feel like everyone i'm talking to at least at this point it's like yeah maybe not though maybe not
01:05:22 ◼ ► yeah i uh a friend of the show and comfort zone co-host matt birchler had a similar take this
01:05:30 ◼ ► morning last night on his blog it's like everyone was raving in the reviews and i'm like i'm not really
01:05:38 ◼ ► sure about this product look i'm coming to the airpods pro 3 after a year of airpods 4 which i absolutely
01:05:47 ◼ ► love so it it it it is being right now it's still ongoing a challenge for me to get re-accustomed to the
01:05:58 ◼ ► in-ear tips which i don't love especially after i got used to the feeling of you know more freedom of
01:06:05 ◼ ► the non-sealing airpods 4 yeah they're too firm they're very firm yeah um but two things i will
01:06:18 ◼ ► say like one one positive one negative the one positive i was at the supermarket today needed to
01:06:24 ◼ ► do some shopping enabled the noise cancellation and it was freaky like i was basically shopping in silence
01:06:34 ◼ ► yeah just it was canceling a lot and it is astoundingly good are giving me really a really
01:06:41 ◼ ► really good seal much more than the airpods pro 2 that i used to use last year let me ask you did you
01:06:49 ◼ ► did you change the size of the tips no i went with the default i did the test and it said good seal i was
01:06:58 ◼ ► like cool can i recommend you go down one yeah i've heard that i will try i went down one and it was
01:07:08 ◼ ► it was better and then today i went down another in one ear okay because my ears are different sizes like
01:07:17 ◼ ► all right yeah it's weird it's weird yeah it's a strange thing but but now now it's it's it's overall
01:07:24 ◼ ► more comfortable for me like i feel like i'm having to do less like shoving them in my ear and i did the
01:07:31 ◼ ► ear test i went i went down in both i did the ear fit test and on the right ear it was like that's the
01:07:37 ◼ ► wrong size and that's as i would have expected so i went back up once i now have like extra small on my
01:07:42 ◼ ► left ear and small on my right ear and the the airpods said it's a good seal it feels like a good seal to me
01:07:49 ◼ ► and it is more comfortable like that the firmness of it is is i think seeing a lot of people with are
01:07:58 ◼ ► better off going down at least one size um than than they would have had on the airpods pro 2
01:08:05 ◼ ► yeah okay i was a medium and then and they were uncomfortable like i when i put them in the first
01:08:12 ◼ ► time i was like oh oh no like this is not this is not gonna work um yeah and i had seen some people
01:08:18 ◼ ► talking to people that hey we should should try going down a size so i went to the small and you
01:08:23 ◼ ► know it comes with five sizes which is great uh several beats headphones have done that for years
01:08:27 ◼ ► and you know the airpods have now caught up with that and so i went to the small and the fit is better
01:08:33 ◼ ► but they're to me at least and i think it's like the change in shape maybe it's just they're not as
01:08:39 ◼ ► comfortable as the twos or maybe it's the foam and i need to give it some time like maybe it will
01:08:45 ◼ ► loosen a little bit yeah but something about it right now is i mean they sound good but they're
01:08:53 ◼ ► not as comfortable i have gotten more used to it as well though like i have had already i thought
01:08:59 ◼ ► think something i didn't think was going to happen which is like i forgot that they were in like so i
01:09:04 ◼ ► think i am getting used to it now and and so i think it's you know it's getting better but they
01:09:10 ◼ ► are not as immediately comfortable as airpods one pro one and two were like that is without
01:09:15 ◼ ► without a shadow of a doubt they are not as comfortable um and so it is very interesting
01:09:20 ◼ ► to me that apple have sacrificed comfort for better noise cancellation i'm not sure that's the right
01:09:27 ◼ ► call i don't know but like i will say i've been on a flight with these it is unbelievably good
01:09:34 ◼ ► it is to the point now where i will no longer be bringing my airpods max on trips because i don't
01:09:39 ◼ ► need them anymore so like the comparison is like so i i you know i took a bunch of flights on the
01:09:45 ◼ ► went on my the main flight to the u.s like the flight from here to uh to america because then i had to take
01:09:53 ◼ ► an internal flight to get to memphis my first leg i was there on my airpods max and then i just had my
01:09:58 ◼ ► airpods pro in and i was in like one of those small planes and i had to have the volume of my
01:10:03 ◼ ► ipad basically at maximum to still be able to hear when i did this on the way home with airpods pro 3 i
01:10:08 ◼ ► had my ipad at half volume and it was well perfectly and it sounded great so i the the for planes which
01:10:16 ◼ ► is i think is very important for a lot of people when it comes to noise cancellation excellent like
01:10:22 ◼ ► really good and i will say as well like i i have been able to notice that there is more bass in
01:10:28 ◼ ► these headphones like me too it is it is noticeably different even to someone who does not really hear
01:10:36 ◼ ► this kind of stuff like the music sounds different and one of the things is it feels bassy like i can i
01:10:41 ◼ ► can hear that yeah it's got that sound profile and um that for me is a positive because it's something
01:10:53 ◼ ► the transparency mode sounds more artificial to me it sounds i don't say i don't say he see because
01:11:05 ◼ ► it's not that it sounds i don't know it's it sounds less natural than before do you use transparency
01:11:20 ◼ ► uh a few months ago try it now trust me with the airpods pro 3 just give it another go because i
01:11:26 ◼ ► didn't i have used adaptive but when they set up their transparency and noise cancellation but then
01:11:32 ◼ ► it's adaptive isn't it the thing that it it decides when to cancel and when to let stuff through very
01:11:43 ◼ ► just give it a go again because adaptive sounds better that is like against my principles
01:11:50 ◼ ► just just even if you don't stick to it just try it and tell me if you like obviously not right now
01:11:58 ◼ ► just try it and tell me if you think that the the transparency sounds better because it does to me
01:12:02 ◼ ► like the regular transparency mode doesn't sound to me as as kind of warm as it used to but adaptive
01:12:09 ◼ ► does to me yeah okay i have a i have one more complaint which i i'm surprised you haven't brought
01:12:15 ◼ ► up already federico which the led light on the case is way too oh my god it's it's so bright it
01:12:21 ◼ ► illuminates my entire bedroom oh my god what are they doing to me i took my airpods last night again
01:12:26 ◼ ► sylvia was sleeping yeah i pick up the case and suddenly there's like this green flash unbelievable
01:12:33 ◼ ► all over the bedroom like i was like oh geez and i'm like i'm covering the airpods with my hand
01:12:38 ◼ ► i have to put my thumb over the spot where i know the light is so i don't wake up my entire family
01:12:45 ◼ ► you can put this these things up at an intersection at night and people are gonna know when to drive
01:12:51 ◼ ► like it is why is it so bright well what they've done is they've they've put the light behind the
01:12:58 ◼ ► case it used to be a little cut out right and so my expectation is they've made the light brighter so
01:13:05 ◼ ► it shines through the plastic but it means the light is too bright yeah yeah yeah good point very bright
01:13:13 ◼ ► very bright that that happened to me last night mike i know when you were here that you were not a fan
01:13:19 ◼ ► of the size of the case because it's a little bit wider it's a little bit shallower but a little bit
01:13:25 ◼ ► wider how how do you feel about that well i've gotten used to it but it's just i'm annoyed about
01:13:30 ◼ ► the fact that the case is bigger like i'm just annoyed about that it's like why is the case bigger
01:13:36 ◼ ► like i know why but why why are you doing this like i don't like that they made it bigger but i've
01:13:41 ◼ ► gotten used to that um because you you kind of just like this is just the i'm only using one set of
01:13:46 ◼ ► airpods and so like you just kind of forget but it is it's funny that it's bigger it overall it is
01:13:52 ◼ ► really weird that i have so many complaints about this product but i still really like it but like i am i
01:13:58 ◼ ► think i am just surprised about what i think are a bunch of steps backwards in such a popular so the
01:14:08 ◼ ► twos were so good you know the twos were perfect and they sort of mixed with they sort of messed with
01:14:14 ◼ ► things that didn't need messing with yes they've it seems like apple were trying to do two things
01:14:20 ◼ ► which is to quote unquote improve the fit which i'm not sure that i just don't know who they're
01:14:26 ◼ ► improving it for like i guess there are people that it does improve it for but like i'm not one of them
01:14:31 ◼ ► like it's not improved it's not necessarily worse now i've kind of got it dialed in but it's not
01:14:36 ◼ ► improved and also to enhance the noise cancellation and i'm just not convinced at the trade-offs that
01:14:45 ◼ ► they have made to achieve that i think it's kind of where i am but i still still a great product i
01:14:51 ◼ ► still use it for hours a day every day and i'm happy with them but it is not an overall improvement
01:15:04 ◼ ► uh federico i think you were the only one of the three of us that got a new apple watch
01:15:09 ◼ ► yeah is that right you got an ultra three do you have any thoughts on it at all probably i mean i
01:15:14 ◼ ► wouldn't be surprised if you said no but not really yeah i have a watch with a with a with a battery at
01:15:21 ◼ ► 100 health again which is cool don't really have any thoughts i mean i for a second when i when i
01:15:29 ◼ ► unboxed the watch and i was comparing to my old one i for for a minute i thought did i accidentally buy
01:15:39 ◼ ► an old apple watch ultra i went in and checked my apple store receipt in my email because i could not
01:15:47 ◼ ► for the life of me i couldn't tell a difference between the two of them and john was like no but
01:15:52 ◼ ► you gotta the screen is slightly bigger and you gotta you will see the difference in the edges and
01:15:57 ◼ ► it's like i thought i was going crazy i was looking at it i was like i have no idea what kind of
01:16:04 ◼ ► difference i'm supposed to look for but then i checked my order it said apple watch ultra three
01:16:08 ◼ ► for my use of the apple watch which is i just want to have an apple watch that checks on my heart
01:16:15 ◼ ► and sends me notifications and is a convenient way to control home devices and also has to last for
01:16:23 ◼ ► longer than a day it's a it's fine it's just very very very boring for the kind of apple watch ultra
01:16:34 ◼ ► user i am which is probably okay because i know that i'm like i'm not the target user for this product
01:16:41 ◼ ► i'm just a user who buys it because it's the biggest watch apple makes with the biggest battery
01:17:00 ◼ ► oh i mean i have an apple watch ultra too oh that's right you're not on the one oh you're fine
01:17:06 ◼ ► so i'm fine you're fine you're fine for another my battery life isn't what it once was but like i'm
01:17:11 ◼ ► not doing nothing i'm not getting a three i lasted a year in that situation in your shoes and it's okay
01:17:19 ◼ ► it's fine just wait until next year i guess now i'm now i'm holding out for like a redesign next year
01:17:41 ◼ ► fully clear just a just a piece of glass on a string that i put around my wrist that's what i'm looking
01:17:53 ◼ ► the liquid glass is the watch itself you know okay so you just go to an apple store they pour some
01:18:00 ◼ ► liquid glass on your wrist and it just forms it's probably really hot isn't glass really hot when
01:18:04 ◼ ► it's liquid yeah yeah but don't worry about it it will kill you yes yeah don't worry about it
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01:20:07 ◼ ► we had some listener questions about the new products that's a different podcast stop stop
01:20:23 ◼ ► first jason's computer was inside my computer and now his podcast is inside my podcast allegedly allegedly
01:20:37 ◼ ► it's hard so it's hard to know you you quoted him sorry uh this is gonna loosen up man you gotta
01:20:44 ◼ ► chill can you just get it together and loosen up yeah can you just do that i will say i will say my
01:20:49 ◼ ► daughter got in my truck as i as upgrade plus the the last chapter we're starting to play she's like
01:20:55 ◼ ► wow they're really mean to you i was like i know thank you that's how it goes yeah thank you
01:20:59 ◼ ► derek wrote in i'm going from an iphone 13 pro to a 17 pro but i'm curious if the three of you use any
01:21:08 ◼ ► of the features i've been missing the action button photo styles and camera control man derek's gonna
01:21:19 ◼ ► i'm sorry i'm sorry but they are let me all right let me i'm gonna go i'm gonna go to bat for two out of three
01:21:27 ◼ ► yeah yeah the action button is the better one of the three photo styles nobody really understands and camera
01:21:33 ◼ ► control apple is backtracking on it and they will get rid of it at some point i don't think they're gonna get rid of it
01:21:38 ◼ ► but i think they're gonna make it a capacitive area on the phone that's what i think they're gonna do
01:21:42 ◼ ► because i think they're over time they want to make visual intelligence a thing and like that's how they
01:21:48 ◼ ► you can get to that but i don't think we're gonna be that swiping anymore my take is that that will be
01:21:54 ◼ ► slowly but surely repurposed as the ai button yeah instead of camera control maybe so maybe so i would
01:22:00 ◼ ► be sad about it because i like having the button thing but whatever i'd also get over it in about 20
01:22:04 ◼ ► minutes i think um i like having camera control as just a way to open the camera from wherever i am
01:22:10 ◼ ► but that's it i don't take pictures with it i don't swipe on it and it is fascinating that when you set up
01:22:16 ◼ ► a new phone it defaults to turning the swiping stuff off if you need to know what apple thinks about
01:22:21 ◼ ► camera control yeah they're gonna touch bar it out of existence or it's gonna evolve change oh my god
01:22:26 ◼ ► it's gonna change that is a good analogy yes yes okay i i really think they're gonna go to what we
01:22:33 ◼ ► remember the original rumors of the of like a capacitive area like that was the original rumor
01:22:39 ◼ ► of the action button that it wasn't an actual physical button i think we're gonna get to some i do think
01:22:43 ◼ ► i think we'll get some like anyway um the action button's great if you put something useful on it
01:22:49 ◼ ► if you don't put something useful on it it's not good and like for me i use the action button
01:22:54 ◼ ► so many times a day because i have a sure that's how i enter tasks into all of my different task
01:23:00 ◼ ► systems uh is i press the action button and then choose where i want it to go like and so that for
01:23:05 ◼ ► me is like really good this is a shortcut that i made yes photographic styles i am a fan of because
01:23:11 ◼ ► i mean i used to use it and i think the new system is better and it allows me to make some tweaks
01:23:22 ◼ ► by images than what i think apple's system does like i hope to have your patience one day
01:23:40 ◼ ► i did it two years ago and then i haven't touched it like i i found like a recipe i'll say
01:23:46 ◼ ► that worked for me it's it's i just made a small tweak to the gold setting and that is like that is
01:23:52 ◼ ► exactly the style but if but if that's what you did yeah does it make sense to have this whole thing
01:24:00 ◼ ► where you're supposed to adjust settings and have integration inside the camera i mean it feels it
01:24:05 ◼ ► feels to me like it's over-engineered just like camera control is yeah maybe i mean but just the
01:24:12 ◼ ► general thought you don't have to go in and tweak it like you can just use one of the presets and it's
01:24:17 ◼ ► like and they're good and i like that those presets exist because there's a bunch of nice tones in there
01:24:22 ◼ ► but yeah go that the little thumb pad is is quite a bit of software design like it's you know
01:24:33 ◼ ► there's a lot going on in there i will say it's worth opening photographic styles and just having
01:24:39 ◼ ► a swipe through the ones that they give you as presets and see if you like one of them more
01:24:43 ◼ ► i think the warm and gold are like really nice but that's just the type of tone that i like my images to
01:24:48 ◼ ► have and then i just went in and kind of just adjusted it a little bit so it would bring down some of the
01:24:52 ◼ ► shadows and contrast i saw a preset by tyler stallman friend of the show that was linked by chance
01:24:59 ◼ ► miller friend of the show on nine to five mac um and so i was like oh you know what sylvia has been
01:25:05 ◼ ► complaining about the quality of the pictures taking on her 16 pro i'm gonna go in there and enable
01:25:12 ◼ ► the this photographic style and i did and after 24 hours sylvia comes to me she's like why are all my
01:25:19 ◼ ► pictures yellow that'll do it yeah so i don't know i'm not really into this gold amber like i don't
01:25:28 ◼ ► even know what tone means like what are the two values the tone and color like aren't those like
01:25:34 ◼ ► supposed to be the same word like tones and colors i don't know maybe i'm too ignorant and stupid to
01:25:40 ◼ ► appreciate photographic style just give me a preset like it used to be so beautiful you will go in there
01:25:45 ◼ ► into your photos now even editing photos is difficult like yeah but going there and be like
01:25:50 ◼ ► standard no if there was a way for me to just turn off photographic styles all together and just go back
01:25:59 ◼ ► to what it used to be just standard vibrant black and white like i don't want to have ignore the
01:26:08 ◼ ► ignore the little touchpad thing and they are i cannot ignore something that i see that's my problem i
01:26:14 ◼ ► don't want to see it i can't help you yeah i can't i can't help that i'm afraid i know i wish i could i
01:26:22 ◼ ► wish i could i know i know because you're very kind yeah i know i can't but it is you know i know you're
01:26:28 ◼ ► looking for filters that's what you want yes yes life used to be much simpler in many different ways
01:26:36 ◼ ► but including this one the problem was federico people kept taking pictures of old iphones and saying
01:26:41 ◼ ► it look better and that's why you have photographic styles so if you you know blame threads oh always
01:26:48 ◼ ► yeah blame threads threads is the problem threads is the problem for all of this stuff i guess twitter
01:26:53 ◼ ► is probably doing it too but i didn't see that but i know that there's been a lot of posts and threads
01:26:57 ◼ ► like hey look i have an iphone 4 and look how much better these photos are it's like no they because
01:27:02 ◼ ► they just look like they're taken from a disposable camera and people like nostalgia it's true that's why
01:27:07 ◼ ► you would if you want that just go buy an iphone 4 and use that as your camera right like it's it's
01:27:14 ◼ ► available to you or like use one of these apps that will make your cameras your pictures look like
01:27:19 ◼ ► they're made on film no eric says i wonder if the rumor camera in the airpods are for accessibility
01:27:28 ◼ ► because you can already use your phone iphone camera to tell you if the door is there or what
01:27:33 ◼ ► it says on the door i think this is a good angle i think i i would be curious like will they be only
01:27:41 ◼ ► for accessibility i mean there will be an accessibility story this is not the thing they're not like hey we
01:27:48 ◼ ► put cameras on every airpods because there are people with vision impairment no i don't think he's
01:27:53 ◼ ► saying it's only for accessibility i think it's part of the story for also for access yeah i think
01:28:01 ◼ ► there will be an accessibility story for sure there is for every apple product there is for every apple
01:28:06 ◼ ► product yes yes but they you know they will be labeled ai cameras or something yes apple intelligence
01:28:12 ◼ ► cameras yeah it takes a picture of a dog and it tells you it's spaghetti yeah yeah thank you what was
01:28:19 ◼ ► a different breed it's like it's here's a dog which which which teaching make another of this for a
01:28:26 ◼ ► future ricky um fascinating because as we know the local on-device model does not have image recognition
01:28:34 ◼ ► capabilities yeah we definitely all knew so yeah i like how you said i had no nope i mean people know
01:28:41 ◼ ► people know i didn't know we talked about this or maybe it was in my brain but yes the on-device model
01:28:54 ◼ ► you know we'll see josh asks do you find it weird that at the iphone event apple did not take any time
01:29:05 ◼ ► to recap ios 26 like years past it was very odd in what information they left out of the keynote
01:29:11 ◼ ► i don't think so there's only so much time and ios 26 got a lot of press over the summer
01:29:26 ◼ ► also i don't think it was the first time that like they didn't mention the new os and you had to find
01:29:34 ◼ ► out the release date in the press release and in the web page so i'm not saying that josh is saying
01:29:40 ◼ ► this but i've seen people say this and i think what people are trying to get at is like apple are ashamed
01:29:47 ◼ ► of liquid glass which i guarantee you they aren't like whether you like it or not what i can tell you
01:29:55 ◼ ► is that company is not ashamed of what they know they are proud no they are not they are not ashamed
01:30:00 ◼ ► there are other things they should be ashamed of but not liquid glass i'm afraid yes and they leave
01:30:06 ◼ ► those things out keynotes too yes they do uh and julian uh julian julian julian julian julian i'm
01:30:15 ◼ ► going with julian because there is an accent in this so i'm going to just assume that every
01:30:19 ◼ ► uh because the accent is on the a maybe i don't know maybe it looks like shazam despite being developed
01:30:26 ◼ ► by apple has no liquid glass updates and strangely if you look at the screenshots in the app store they're
01:30:30 ◼ ► still showing the app on iphones with the old notch on the top what are your thoughts on this
01:30:35 ◼ ► i need to go look at this i didn't see my thoughts on this is that i can tell you that uh apple music
01:30:42 ◼ ► classical remember that oh yeah got liquid glass oh why does the app store play music now why does it
01:30:49 ◼ ► do this i don't want the soundtrack of honkai star rail just because i opened the app store yeah why is
01:30:55 ◼ ► this happening to me engagement can i stop this why did it do this hmm yeah wow yeah tim cook's apple man
01:31:03 ◼ ► it's falling apart that's what they should be ashamed of yeah um apple music classical got liquid glass
01:31:10 ◼ ► yesterday i think the the thing worth keeping in mind about oh man these screenshots are terrible
01:31:16 ◼ ► it's like an iphone 11 or something in here what are they doing i think jason has mentioned this a bunch
01:31:23 ◼ ► of times on upgrade on six colors uh over the years um apple is a big organization obviously yeah and there
01:31:31 ◼ ► are a lot of people working in design like frameworks but when it comes to the apps those teams are smaller
01:31:37 ◼ ► than you think and you have to imagine that you know there's obviously like a scale of importance like
01:31:46 ◼ ► safari messages apple music and then you start going down you know not to devalue obviously
01:31:53 ◼ ► those apps it's just a matter of scale and how many people use those you have to imagine that people who
01:31:58 ◼ ► use shortcuts my beloved are fewer people than use i message right it's only normal and so you go down
01:32:05 ◼ ► down and down the list of apps that deserve and require a big team and you reach the i don't
01:32:12 ◼ ► want to say the bottom of the barrel but i'm also kind of saying that i could say maybe slightly
01:32:17 ◼ ► differently in the same way the the apps that are like wholly owned subsidiaries yes also they were
01:32:23 ◼ ► acquired and so you reach the apple music classical the shazam the what's the other one i'm thinking of
01:32:29 ◼ ► freeform um no no no no that's not an example no pixel meter is now pixel meter thank you there's
01:32:37 ◼ ► the one we always talk about steven what is it called file file maker yeah you you reach that and
01:32:43 ◼ ► it's like very finite resources and people and different prioritizations right and so you gotta wait and
01:32:53 ◼ ► some things got lost in the shuffle like app store screenshots for example um and i i guess it's just
01:33:01 ◼ ► how it works uh and also you know does beats music also have a liquid glass identity now probably not
01:33:10 ◼ ► like it's it's kind of weird when it comes to these technically apple but also not really apple products
01:33:31 ◼ ► everywhere i don't know which is funny because apple hates when other developers do that
01:33:36 ◼ ► yeah are they doing i saw that apple music on android got a big version five uh does it have liquid
01:33:51 ◼ ► i think uh i think that does it uh if you have feedback or follow-up you can send it to us there's
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