00:00:00 ◼ ► dollar Marco so how do you think of the good guideline because like what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► stop it is coming towards me my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► one of the big problems with Mac development is that even though you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/57">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► all this hardware to burn these days you know all this memory all the CPU cores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► have tons of resources to to to take advantage of the desktop but the API's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/69">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► and the widgets in the in the UI stuff on on the Mac is very very old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/76">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► compared to iOS programming Mac programming is in many ways harder and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/83">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► wonder if Apple has any desire to really dramatically improve that and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/88">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► advantage of all the people who are iOS developers who are learning UI kit which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► is way way easier the napkin and to do to do a lot of very common things and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► try to modernize the Mac OS 10 API's and to try to bring over more iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/105">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► and and making life easier more productive for existing Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/113">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► that's something they really haven't done much in the last few Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► releases and I'd like to see that happen as as iOS developer who's kind of scared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► of Mac programming I'd love to see that happen so you thinking like a UI kit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/126">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► ten I don't know if they could you know you like it is very specific for touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/131">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and I don't think they could directly bring it over I don't that would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/137">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► sense but what they they they could definitely modernize a lot of a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/141">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► maybe make a whole new API probably wouldn't go that far but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/145">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► modernize it a lot and and you know bring a lot of the conveniences and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/149">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► the modern choices from you I get into a packet's widgets and drag new widgets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► better which is all the labor-backed stuff that that iOS does that Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► still i think is like half done in all sorts of stuff like that that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/165">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► like warren burger with more qualified to talk about but I know it's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► well didn't chuck and Larry and I contacted you chameleon they did and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► then Warren did I don't have to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► that the Twitter you i think that there is there and I think there's even been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/183">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► one or two other ones similar to that and and solely because these frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/187">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► obviously there's demand for this and but you know until Apple does their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► thing with the official API's it's never gonna take off in in the same way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/197">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► either from you guys know how modern they've made me know you've just been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► few minutes income not modern it is but I mean by that is do they have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/208">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► block support pretty prevalent Lee throughout any about pick John do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► happen to know this cuz I have not done the stuff they did a foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► everybody gets like fast enumeration right the block support for the low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► level stuff where you can like it over and over in a trade some block I'm kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► like what it whenever they do that stuff it benefits both platforms so there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► some shearing amount plus all like the you know the Objective C whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► version they're up to with the properties and all that like that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► shared so that bottom layer both OS's does get better over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/237">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► think existing sore points like the whole and SL vs and its view of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/242">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► stupid table views and that's just like a legacy hang around when I see stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/247">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► like that I think well it makes me think about the market as a platform overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/252">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► did they what's their motivation to make it better like someone saying I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/258">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► develop for the Mac accept these apts are slightly more crafty than they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► on the phone or they're not close enough or whatever like is that motivate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► members would really the motivating them it is that the market share is small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► compared to the phone and like they're not they you know they don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► they have an idea for a great nap or is it the Mac apps are necessarily much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/280">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► more complicated most of your application is not in the UI framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► partly sunny like Photoshop which is ostensibly Akoko app now they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/290">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► how holding Creevey Coco AP I don't like that Abbas custom from top to bottom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/295">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► assist little thin layer to throw out some stuff on the screen so I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► given its market share its growth rate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► the and what the blockbuster apps on the Mac are actually like what would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► returned on Apple's investment firm for modernizing almost any PII in ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/313">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► aren't just like we did this modernization and helps both iOS and Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/319">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► OS 10 well I think part of it is if you make it easier you know not only does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/323">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► help developers it also helps Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► helps their developers and also you know it it gives more more chance they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/332">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► you know i mean you could use a lot of the same arguments against improving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/340">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► or improving the final multilanguage like all that you know the the can be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/347">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► little short sin taxes we got last year for a lot of the boxing classes to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/352">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► that there's there's a lot of stuff like that that Apple's adding not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/357">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► they really have to not because it's going to help them competitively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► directly but just because it's nice to do for developers and then they benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► we benefit and then maybe there's like this trickle-down effect of nice perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► eventually come out for their platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► well there's competitive pressure from you know from the from Google with icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► on the mobile platform like their dev tools there I D their language and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► Apple has to keep up with at least have parity with that and like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► languages memory mansion and happens isn't so that they can only feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/387">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► pressure feel like and that is a much more competitive landscape forces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/391">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► the macrocycle do you write windows up figure out something for the umpteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► crappy API's available for Windows a fight between should use and how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/398">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► people you gonna sell to and how you gonna sell out through the window start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► like the desktop is yesterday's news anyway according to you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/406">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► prevailing wisdom of the time and like it does not a growth market matter where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► you are and I just doesn't feel the pressure on the desktop they do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► mobile so they are highly motivated to make their mobile experience better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/423">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► developers to make sure they keep those developers they're somewhat motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► make things better on the desktop I must be like if if they really were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► separately imagine they were separate ID's and lie completely separate there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► foundation are you know are plain old foundation code between them and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► was no they use a different idea so improving sex condemn benefit what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► the Mac toolchain look like at this point if they didn't also get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► benefit of all while doing all this stuff and it benefits both of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► don't know I mean like everything about this I think two applications like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/458">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► iPhoto on the Mac that just not gonna kind of attention that it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/462">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► gotten it if I wasn't around you know I was true of almost every Apple Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/467">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► application yeah so far they seem to keep up with their maybe that's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► because it's benefiting I was hard to start to tease them part because so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► of that work is does benefit both you know that's to their credit right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► was a good decision to you know you the same car as both of them but it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► to figure out how much does Apple care about putting things in the back roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/489">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► how much is the Mac just getting the spillover of their frenzied improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► iOS and also it also does it does feel like you know we've talked about before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► how in many ways Apple still behaves like a much smaller company that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/500">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► really is an often to his detriment and one of the examples of that is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/504">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► do have this kind of tunnel vision wear whatever whatever is the cool thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/508">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► they're really focusing on everything else just gets ignored and neglected for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► years until somebody comes around and gives it what's often a half assed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► update sorry go ahead john Kasay if they have that is changed if that like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/522">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► television has changed we like won't see the results until you know like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► type of thing you know when big reorganization along different lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► with a change to the digital functional lines or something instead of a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► product lines that whatever they wanted the big reorg and you know how to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► in that could have been the beginning of a change to the tunnel vision but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► won't know until I mean I guess the total these WWC and possibly later see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► the fruits of that reorganization can turn this thing I'm done but it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/553">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► to talk about a couple shows about the bandwidth of the organization does Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► have the capacity to go full steam on multiple fronts have the capacity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/563">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► like have a team every single year making iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► have a team every single year high movie better the team that was doing I DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► find you can repurpose old school but any existing active application is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► a dedicated team was only job is to make his application better and better year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► after year intel that application is irrelevant and often from the outside it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► seems like that's not the case this kind of this swing group of people were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/587">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► you know once the Finder is good enough everybody except one guy and like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/593">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► hold off of that and they get put on to whatever like you know all hands on deck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/599">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► for working on the next version of iOS or something is not that that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/603">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► seems like from the outside because if your application isn't you know Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► Jobs darling in the past and I don't know what the current criteria is maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► like really important to the company like it's very clear that I S seven is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► getting the attention you know right now and I was 10 maybe a little bit but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► as you go down the chain of applications that you may be using day after day you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/625">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► think boy this has not been up to I work hard I work like I i dont know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/629">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► so hard to tell me how it really goes on there but it sure seems like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► it whereas when you look at a company like Google it seems like every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► drop tons of their products that's one way to do it right just just get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► your products that you weren't bringing forward you know everything is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/649">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► except per Google+ and six other things when they say well all those things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/652">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► we did keep here's awesome new versions of every single one of those yeah what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/655">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► is I work on the Mac older than the Mac Pro I think so it's a known 909 came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/662">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► in January 6 2009 so that's like a year and a half older than the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/673">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► generation of your fake new Mac Pro is that does not count at all as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/676">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► also on the lines of going back a second on the lines of avi updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/684">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► modernizations I was asking earlier today I made a little early today to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/691">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► podcast named springboard put a link in the show notes springboard showed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/697">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► calm and an episode 10 they were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/701">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► how the guest was Caleb Davenport and they were talking about how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/704">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► with ARC we're training people not to worry about memory management then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► we still like all down into these carbon API's to do certain things on iOS even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► things like address book or keychain things that still have no Coco rappers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► that you still have to go down to the carbon level API where they are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► the Rossi API and do do you know core foundation memory management stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/729">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► that and you know all these old style things and it really messes with are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► gonna make some very confusing and if we if we're teaching people you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► about me anymore but then they have to use when his AP eisner leaking streams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► not realizing that you know there's always exceptions were my memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► management except in this case you know and and so one thing I would love to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/753">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► just some stupid wrappers around us all those ancient capi is that still don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/757">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► have nice Objective C wrapper classes around them even an iOS and if I S seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► brought that that would you know it's not going to say it's not going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► any headlines is not at the moment fire but it's going to make its gonna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/772">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► a minor inconvenience for so many developers so often I couldn't agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► more I have a very very very simple and basic app in the App Store in in what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► allows you to do is to send cans text messages quickly and when I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/785">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► integration it was a total pain in the butt for exactly that reason I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/792">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► nothing I can't handle I cut my teeth in C++ as I think you did Marco C and C++ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► and John I know you're so damn old thank you cut it on like assembly but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/800">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► the point being all kidding aside that that the address book API is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/806">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► because it's all street scene it's so frustrating this was pre art that I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/813">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► all this and it was so frustrating having to drop down into that even with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► retain release considerably more tedious net framework in order to get what seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/820">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► to be a very simple job done so I hadn't thought about that that's a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► point and certainly would make me happy to see some of that get improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► although I think I like you said market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► I might be the only ones but we're not because it's like you know it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► whole the 8820 feature myth like yet only X percentage of the API's don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/840">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► have nice coca wrappers around them but almost every developer eventually has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► use one of them you know I can look at least and and there's there's a there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/852">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► so many other than that I get stupid would take them not very long not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► much effort not any kind of significant long-term maintenance costs just to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► really basic wrappers around these things just that we never have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► about that again that he just do the thing where you say you want it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► is a program that's just how did the same up simple matter of programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/871">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► courses because he hates these guys and again the impression I get from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/877">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► outside is that the reason this is the way it is it's because there's like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/883">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► teams responsible for the address book API and the person in charge of a team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► thinks they're capi is just fine and they don't have people on the team who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► were you know either most skilled enough experience offer motivated enough to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/893">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► Objective C rappers because they've cultivated a team of people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► experts see programmers and like that that's the ultimate sort of the lateral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/902">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► move project I what do we get one at the end of this well we get no new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► functionality we actually make it a little bit slower a bit easier to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► right and you like white why we do this why you dedicating a one-person for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► this release to make this rapper because we'll simply wants it now just go do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► something else that's newer you're needed on this project or whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► there so much emotion in the address book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► AP I don't you get the impression of like this team to manage these apts like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/927">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► this is the team in charge of the whatever API and there is also a CRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► applesauce or whatever programmers and they made it the way they made it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► think it's perfectly fine and fix the bugs and they can't be convinced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► what they need to do is make a rapper or you know re-employment their API and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► some different language or they'll have a good reasons for being only in C and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► like it so I don't even use it was good that I can understand it being a source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/951">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► of frustration but it seems to me like an organizational failure more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/958">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► a failure of leadership or whatever just like something about the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/964">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► well in I thought perhaps I made this up but I thought a lot of these API's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► address but being a great example were very thin layers on top of sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► lighter SQLite order for pronouncing it as Jeff databases and maybe I made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/981">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► up but I thought that that like address book as the example comes to mind but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► that's where I'd seen a couple hours he's all these permissions and sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► and things around it to prevent path for uploading the entire address book to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/995">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► point of driving at is some of these old and arcane API's I think we're just very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► light wrappers around sequel light and so nobody thought to bother with them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► to your point john they just didn't have the desire is that if you choose that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► the future of the good back end or whatever I don't think it's a technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► thing I think it comes down to is if you had if you have a bunch of C programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► and you're tasked with creating a new API it's going to be a capi right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► they can't learn Objective C or whatever but like you know you go to develop them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► with the programmers you have I don't know if you can't just you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► transform them into an experience like you have the guys who made it happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► the guys who made you like it like your experience battle-hardened we can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► new API and Objective C we know how to do that the right way because we've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► crappy API's over and over again so now we're now where we have experienced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► we know ok you're making an objective capi hears of it should look like here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► is the do's and don'ts here is to avoid making I API the people can accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► use badly all the people who learned that Ennis I was a bad idea over years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► of experience they know when they made you I could that'd make the same mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► the second time well if you take the address book team a team of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► maybe have never written in Objective C ABI you tell them you know make a rapper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► maybe they'll make one tho will be a great objective CPA who looked like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► first Objective C wrapper API and I think actually making a rapid probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► harder than just writing a straight up like if you had started from scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► right but they've got to see if it works it's called from everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► they have to maintain compatibility with it and you're asking that had another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► abstraction on top of that while maintaining back compatible with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► who go to the low-level API it's actually kind of annoying and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► imagine them not being motivated to do that unless there's some compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► business reason and will always have some excuse of why there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► compelling business reason well there is i mean first of all there is to know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► for the same reason why Mac development should be as easy as possible we're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► pleased with a reason you know I was benefits from quality of ass being good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► if if there's a whole bunch of people out there who who are mismanaging memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► from these little sleepy eyes because they don't know how to do it I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► know that we have to do it then there's a bunch of apps taking up more memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► than they should and that's bad for the entire I was running experience things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► like teaching the easy thing to do is just be insecure and writer credential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► into a file somewhere they want you to use key chain for security reasons but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► using teaching is hard so you know by by not making the security thing easy after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► less secure so there is there's a there's a lot of little reason that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► add up like abstract really we try to take the to mention they want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► business reason I think what actually happens is the CPI just sits there gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► older and older and more and more disgusting over the years and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► eventually it's like look people can make people uses just likes to old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► London that's what happened with QuickTime right so quick time was a C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► API which was amazing the time it was written but it was like I figure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► first version of Quicktime came out like 1999 pretty own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► engineer the movies for the size of like one inch by one inch squares and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► senate pack API kodak is just terrible but there was a capi right and we carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► that same CBA API phone info identification is built on involved but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► eventually it just like it's untenable to make people right to that so they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► cutie ship which is subject of sea like wrap around the Rosie API and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► what motivated the rappers like no one wants to use the QuickTime API and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► unless you've been using it that way since 1992 no one wants to learn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► his eyes it's crazy pants so they like they do the rapper and then they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► like what comes around to the rapper you know i dont C API is deprecated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► foundation for everything please can you know it's it's too disgusting and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► address book and kitchen are quite at that point yet but when they reached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► that point like that'll be made out like the canary in the coal mine first they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► give you the ejector seat travel with massively more limited functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► that just lets you easily played a movie in your local application right I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► want to put in a movie you are sort of played a movie I don't wanna see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► crazy API it right and everyone was like wait what about all the empty functions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► you can do this rate all that thats Tracy API will still be there you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► use it then transferred two years since I get it has gone away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► here's the new thing written from the ground up to be different although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► think if you foundation is still see her performance reasons maybe they can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► a better wrap around that characterization every foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► Objective C Apr see what I actually don't know never used it either way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► mean what what needs to get worse about the address book API before we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► that point just it just needs to look dated like I don't know now I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► imagine it might have dealt with handles which were big thing back in the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► maleate and I don't know if that's the case again failing me with this spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► underscore the real-time feedback about whether maybe I used handles were lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► with various stuff stuff like that that you know hypothetically speaking is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► it's a concept that doesn't even make sense anymore and a modern you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► memory protected pre-emptive multitasking virtual memory world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► when people look at it seems crazy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► so that's the part where you are right this isn't just like awkward to use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► difficult because it doesn't use my subject to see figure named parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► and stuff like that this is a concept there have no purpose in the modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► world and makes me jump through hoops for no reason unlike you getting all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► most of us are a result back as yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► entire world is like even the nice Objective C API said gross to me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► you have these pointers everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► writers and pretend that point Z will douse he says its objective seen pasted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► the link to the docking station and it reads as follows the AV Foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► framework provides an Objective C interface for Bubba Bubba yeah I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► liked it that the capi just got so and so gross even though is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► feature rich that's why I stayed on for so long as you do such amazing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► for the better certain point it was like if you had a legacy application built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► QuickTime your app is amazing can do amazing things but if you want to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► a new one no one want to dive in and make like a video editing application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► especially if you're gonna do like you are not professional video something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► you'd you'd imagine seeing the Mac App Store hazley edit your videos right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► don't want to have to throw someone at the end of the full-fledged old-school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► CA be adequate time it will be much easier if there was a more modern API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► they could use to do most of that same stuff and so they started over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► foundation and has taken him years to get to the point where I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► close but the old quick time EP I did but they're moving that direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1415">TS</a>]
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00:25:19 ◼ ► Christmas so before we get away from this kind of low-level military do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► all agree that and I didn't think about this when I read my blog post about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► WPGC you have a blog once every two years all right on it I think I'm up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► like or post a month for Leicester what you get for not skipping anyone's tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► from Casey tweets about his blog post I see how my comments on last when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► I did actually having to catch that one about that but anyway one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► I didn't think about that I wanted to ask you guys are we going to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► equivalent of the var keyword in c-sharp I forget with the terms for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► basically inferred type something things he pasado [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► that's the same I believe it is high prevalence variant type inference is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► that is what I was looking for I believe you're right so in other words you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► say I've got some variable here and i dont wanna I don't want to explicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► tell you what type of his compiler you're smart you figured out so I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► my question is actually two-fold firstly doing expects type inference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► Objective C come Monday and secondly what with the crazy awesome this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► don't mean that sarcastically with the static analyzer can see the word I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► the static analyzer and all that craziness do we think that will see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► advancements kind of maybe not as big but kind of the same way we saw mark I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► don't think it's any pressing need for type inference the reason I suggest that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► it is because it's like it's right there in front of because they've already got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► a static analyzer type inference can be implanted such a way that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► actually change anything about the language just basically saves you typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► because right if if the static analyzer could figure out that that can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► possible view on type they could ever make sense unless you're not put like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► the class name two times in the same line when you're declaring the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► pointer variable and then you know calling the class method to make the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► know I can hit know that stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► why does it have to be that way we can just figure it out so it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► nice to have but like the memory image of the program creates a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► unlike arc for example which actually does create different in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► programs would have been manually so this is even and even like less invasive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► shame shame that but it's a along the category of something dot syntax for its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► like was it was not sent acts like when people say oh I can't type anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► square brackets I want to do a dot maybe some people were like if if they had if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► they serve had a time to implement it and it's ready it'll be there but if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► wasn't like oh my god this year we gotta have type inference because we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► getting things done I haven't they're not getting things done on getting too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► much more memory mattress so that was more pressing me so I feel like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► 50 50 chance if it's not there no one's gonna complain if it is they're like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► that's nice to have just not been pretty cool so not I'm really not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► troll you just pearl have type inference and if so do you believe in you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► know nothing about 45 min you believe in types does it it's all like type unsafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► crap that's right everything is a docket trouble for it speaking loosely about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► type safe and unsafe and doesn't statically typed in dynamically typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► strongly typed in weakly typed and I do not have definitions of terms in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► of me so it's much easier talking more specific terms but suffice it to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► as we're talking about an Objective C is basically an irrelevant concept and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► basically irrelevant in JavaScript or PHP for that matter right now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► everything is very loosely tied a high-level language not to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► indirectly compliment PHP pointers and BHP you're also not worried about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► like it's not even like Ruby real you know to ask to get the strength of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► thing like you don't do that in PHP do you know what I'm saying like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► it's like Thomas scripts you know you just have a value in a variable in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► certain way and it becomes less not as bad as JavaScript the crazy corrections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► yet to use the triple equal to avoid them and all that you know how it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► but it's not so much a dirty flew by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► why not use idea it whatever the crap it's called everywhere and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► something different you know when you use idea it would ever in Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► that's saying hey you know i dont really know what this is just figured out at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► runtime type in france does is say hey I I know that this can only be one type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► just like john was saying earlier but i dont wanna spend the time typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► NSString I just want to type the letters var and the compiler will figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► what is this type and fill it in for you not literally speaking figuratively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► speaking and it won't change your code or anything and so that gives you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► the benefits of strong typing of which John doesn't believe in them because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► writes pearl but it doesn't get but it saves you a little bit at a time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► that's that's very different than using heidi is a something like to me I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► thinking if I have if I'm reading the code writing it ok you can type in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► same keyword for everything ok that's you know that's interesting right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► reading at the early wanna see a bunch of code that just a bunch of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► declarations like is that is that really an improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► well that's exactly what I was that when I started to ask John about this that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► where I was going with it is do you guys even believe in this in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and it would not let you do it in a case with India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► ambiguity I quit I don't know how these apostles auto keyword works or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► marquee word in C sharp for that matter but I would imagine that Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► bring two big juicy assuming it doesn't just bringing straight part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► autocue are because they do have really good see also supported this point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► they get a hayride everything I thought you were done and done like we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► have to invent the future started there but assuming they bring their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► keyword for type inference my guess would be that it would just not compile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► if there is any possible ambiguity and the place where you would not have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► ambiguity is this typical thing where youre declaring a variable of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► particular type in making a new object type and stick it into it right in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► same line and they are you just do not need the class name twice that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► classic example like that's annoying stupid and nobody looking at that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► going to be confused by like of our food equals and then class now and it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► confused by that it's right there you know it's going to that thing right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► that is the most obvious case and then you scale down from there to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► where at a certain point the static analyzer says well I can't assume what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► type of your trying to say here because there's multiple possible values that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► would be valid and maybe we're just not compatible so you know you got a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► know explicitly declared type right that's exactly how doesn't see sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► where if you don't say on that same line exactly what this is the compiler will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► puke it up and say I need some more in focus or you need to provide an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► type because I can't just infer what this is dead so if you have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► mix of declared types and automatic types is it doesn't that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► introduced a lot of bug potential and make her harder to read about was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► bug potential I guess if you have a keyword if you can do without keywords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► like you can almost scripting languages then then that's that's rough because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► then you can like there's rules like ok well if you like if you if you misspell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► a variable name now it's not drama stuff like that you just you just start typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► improve his problem too well but you know pearl pearl had it first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► probably solution PHP it has the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► we have a lot to do that and everybody uses that moment please tell me that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► it will it'll throw a notice that you wish you can catch and treat as an error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► if you want to and I do where if you are using undeclared variable it can through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► the air but if you assigned to a variable that implicitly declares it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► it's over but there still is that risk of assigning to a variable that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► thought was the same one that I used headlines ago but I noticed that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► assigned to it know if you're if you're testing scripts JavaScript hilariously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► copied the president talked about this on past episode hilarious the Pearl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► solution like the prosecution is that they had a pragma use strict and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► turns into the good Lord where I could you make any typos I gotta know it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► well you talking about I will not really be refused to create a new variable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► he was not declared like like serious right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► JavaScript which works the other crazy way they said we want that too but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► can change the language business in a browser so and JavaScript if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► make a string literal the double quarter pounder whatever use space strict and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► then close that string literal and put a semitone like no assignment nothing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► like that string literal in your JavaScript code most modern browsers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► will see that interpreted as are you want to go into that strict mode it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► kind of like pros use stricken areas that used the exact same phrase us-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► rectal orkut right and then it will go into that mode sometimes it wasn't for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► browsers that don't understand that they just see it uses the use of a string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► literal infringement txt pro parlance right and so it's valid code compiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► you're not you don't choke the other browsers but if you're using a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► browser that helps you out you get the benefits of working environment so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► I mean JavaScript as an excuse because it's really old and again made by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► guy under time pressure and didn't think he was going to be creating the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► language for the next millennium right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► I I would never imagine a language with so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► bondage and discipline is subjective see whatever allow that type of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► you just type of variable name to springs into existence it would only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► need some sort of word whether that be var auto or whatever bored outta would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► wanna talk about everybody see anymore how it's gonna say I do have more things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► don't let me start this conversation we're going off into the weeds it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► we're nerds or something that's not good if you really think about it you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► as a group of kind of made a podcasting career out of going off topic that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► very true but in an attempt to stay on topic John what were you thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► over the keynote in WTC so the blog post that I was too lazy to write this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► welcome guest about yes this is the pattern sometimes abroad programs forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► post is about some hardware now we've had the extra time and has all based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► laptops assuming they are simply Apple decides to put them in the Keno but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► imagine they would because why not did it last year and the new ones are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► with a partner in the key and are not the thing that I hadn't realized really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► hadn't thought about actually was like like last year and since last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► people don't ask me should I get around the MacBook Pro or MacBook Air and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► telling people if you can wait wait because the areas have such terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► screen especially compared to the redness but the redness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► the integrated GPU the one that's on on the CPU Intel graphics one is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► barely able to handle that screen and I think it's a shame to a first generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► thing and that will be solved by Hasbro which is coming and how much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► integrated graphics right so I am Telling You Can Wait Wait because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► they're going to revise the heirs and presumably of a nicer screen and faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► and the red-nosed old is also that the image retention issue which I hope is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► being sought but I'm picking different screen supplier whatever and the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► ones are gonna have you know faster CPU better battery life because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► household power savings but also a much better integrated GPU and what I hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► been thinking about what I've been telling people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► that is what if they ship them with just the integrated GPU and no external GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► anymore because I'm ending ok so the integrated GPU is gonna be better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► it's going to finally be able to comfortably handle a Retina display but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► of course when you look at the game or something else about just told you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► the whole use discrete GPU for the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► reading after Indian on tech review of this thing you can see the integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► GPU is still slightly slower than the current discrete GPU that the user and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► the retina pros but that Apple could probably get away with not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► discrete GPU and the 15 MacBook Pro I was just using the integrated because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► the power seems to be huge and just be a cost saving right he says yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2272">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► everything gets better cost but I but on the other hand if you wouldn't you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► bad you bought a retina MacBook Pro this year and it didn't play a game as high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► frame rate as the one you could have bought last year the same time John we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► don't play games like Diablo 3 in that crazy retina resolution rate that's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► not then it's a gaming laptop or anything like that it's just it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► weird would it be weird for a year later the new top of the line Apple laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► would have a GPU ever so slightly slower than the previous one and I'm sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► he hears that way they can go on as I think Apple could whip up some benchmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► BS that makes the interplay one looks slightly faster than the discrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► because they're tested you look beyond texting their test markets like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► percent to 7 percent faster but overall it's it's mostly slightly slower sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► could do the selective thing where they just pick their benchmark and say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► look and what we did to discrete GPU is just got an integrated one look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► actually faster than the previous discrete 10 shows no single or small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► double digit gain on the carefully chosen benchmarks right they can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► what they did I think through about three years ago they they introduced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► 15 inch model at like $16.99 something like that it was it was seen below the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► it was a low in 15 inch MacBook Pro that didn't have a discrete GPU it only had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► one and all the other 15 inches the higher higher priced ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► a discrete GPUs and everyone's called it when I have multiple skews done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► before they've done it they do it for other things you know if it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► that they can do it this you know if they did this maybe they would you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► keep the discrete GPU in the most expensive configuration but then in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► cheapest one then leave it out and have you know if I was buying I'd actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► buy that one because it would be cooler running you no longer battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► everything else and the whole dual GPU thing has always been buggy in the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► like it if you if you use something like like I believe it's Cody Krieger's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► graphics card status program it'll tell you which ones and use in a little has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► motive Rican attempt to force it to use one of the other and it doesn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► work as a weirdo as things but it doesn't just use the discrete GPU four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► games did it has some kind of conditions where I think of something uses later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► backed views are core animation in a certain way that it automatically turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► GPU on if if that happens running at all and that includes things like iCal I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► mean like really commonly used to not go to the discrete GPU quite as easily they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► have made changes the USSA used to be right like you did almost anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► involving applications that were not impressive line-up sorry if you touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► this this framework at all we're going to try to be open and they kept like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► moving a backside well integrated GPU can handle that ok well unlike other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► trying to do is trade off like jerky scrolling and kind of bad drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► performance that they know what could be better for him this creeper the trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► imbalance like no power and that's what I say about that machine being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► comprehend that you write that dude you think is never quite right and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► always leaves lots of weird drawing glitches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► and you know people have read this artist I felt like I was scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► through Safari I could be read in the bugs in it also could be the GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► switching what they think about the customer experience of you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► if you don't know about the switching and if you don't know which after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► causing it then you have a situation where your laptop will seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► randomly get like 30 percent less battery life on some days are you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► certain things and it's really hard to tell why that is for you in my case like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► it was always iCal doing that which is annoying or Twitter as we both did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► almost almost so many apps do this now including so many Apple apps that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2513">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► you probably have something keeping the discrete GPU running and so you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► like having these these bursts of time where you'll get dramatically less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► battery life and there's there's no obvious answer to the most people as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► why that is and that's just that's terrible makes Apple look bad it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► everything runs too hot and that's why I think like that there would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► performance tradeoff for certain conditions like games bye bye going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► integrated only but in almost every other way that would actually be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► yeah I agree and go back to quickstep another great example is because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► that there's some sort of multiplexer in between the graphics cards in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► DisplayPort such that if you have an external display connected capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► you're running on that discrete GPUs let's say you're sitting at your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► and you've been using your computer for hours and nothing's gone wrong and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► have half your battery left and then you go to do a presentation and suddenly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► have an external monitor that being here for your projector hooked up to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► computer and your battery power just disappears instantly and that's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► of the multiplex in front of the display port or something along those lines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► it doesn't need to be that way because the 13 inch and the heirs don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► discrete GPUs and I put extra monitor just fine with the nude but the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► chips a lot of these problems will be lesson severely because they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► almost everything on the integrated now they won't have to go to entry just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► because they won't have to go to the integrated when you do something fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► right so you can basically go to the discrete rather they'll be able to stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► to the integrated GPU almost all the time except for perhaps things like dams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► so like that's why I'm coming with the question is like it's totally an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► move to just say it sorry no more discrete GPU and that means of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► machine either Apple's gonna say is only slightly faster and graphics performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► in the previous one or is on par but head and all super duper tight like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► look at the powers that all the other things we were talking about is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► amazing so that's definitely one way they can go I will be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► disappointed in that but I can see the apple picking through the slides in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► head of how they're going to sell down people be like oh it's not so bad right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► because it would be a mean for almost every person who's not doing like 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► graphics are games it would be a clear win because I never cared about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► frame rate of some game all I know is my battery life is better to deal with GPS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► which is great but the thing is that mark about alright so maybe this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► top end model where they put the discrete GPU and therefore the gamers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► whatever and then the question is what is that discrete GPU like the ones at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► 6:50 7:50 a.m. is out something like that I could also see them going that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► route and it you know Apple knows better than us to never gives the breakdowns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► but say they say they've perusal I'm like what is the breakdown between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► ones with the screen in the ones with it like I start to think of the guys who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► opted for the discrete GPU being kind of like the people who buy the Mac Pro like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► when you think you're super important and we think it's awesome and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► but it's like point oh five percent of the customers it's really difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► a ticket to keep doing the things I feel better is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► the super high res 59 sure you get the 15 inch higher res screen they did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► for a long time and I have to think that like almost nobody bought that stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► things like the man screen and the high res like the only people by the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► who like Mac Pros like you know I've been lots of Apple stores and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► never known anyone who is not a superhero dropped if not screen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► you say this one is more expensive it's Matt which doesn't look a shiny shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► right and he was like why would you get the one that's like uglier quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► unclear and I had to squint to see it and it's more expensive I'll take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► one place like it's got to be with everybody so well you'd be surprised I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► mean granted I am talking about nerds but everyone in my office that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► MacBook Pro has one of those I'm looking at to within arms reach right now my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► personal one is also my work one i mean they're unbelievably great machines if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► you're not gonna go right now and they were they were the best of the 15 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► MacBook Pros up until the retina MacBook Pros so any of those who were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► checkbox nerds you know who said who I want the best darn it then they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► get these and they are unbelievably great machines accepting the discrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► yeah so this this is my blood fun litmus test for this keynote is when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► introduced this line of things to look to see well and have a discrete GPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► if they don't like what does that say about me that gets back to the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► night bro thing like what kind of signals as Apple sending about the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► of company is it the kind of company that has decided that it's just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► care about top-end performance anymore and it considers battery life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► suitability for like 80 percent to 90 percent 99.5% do whatever presented as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► to just beat so much more important than everything else so I'm I've got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► fingers crossed for at least one model still with this group GPU but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► I've been mostly ok for this to be a transition year where they go into rated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► only because the the next round of chips like maybe Intel will continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► dedicating sixty-five percent or more of its no CPU space to graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► and you know 40 nanometers that that gives you a pretty darn good GPU CPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► so by that point you like right well discrete GPU how barbaric right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► keeping with hardware market you have anything to add on laptops not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► covers it I mean I i'm looking forward to what they do I don't you know i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► currently own the cheapest model of the current which is the first 15 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► MacBook Pro and I use it as a travel and and upstairs computer and so i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► don't use it a lot like I'm constantly I'm not pushing its boundaries so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► don't plant upgrade at all so with that in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► gentlemen there is time will there be a Mac Pro or something equivalent thereof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/2878">TS</a>]
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00:51:27 ◼ ► the WEC I say no I'm gonna see this year then yes something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► Tim Cook said says and no enthusiasm I'm reading all the stories are at Marcus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► I'm prepared to be like might my judgment for the Mac Pro thing is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► matter how well suited to my particularly is which I know of my needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► are not what I meant to mirror but regardless of whether I am disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► in or not what I want to see from the company I think it needs even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► company is this thing better be faster than all the existing max that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► stupid like why would they even make it was not a series of like I wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► not just like five percent faster than I am right now I wanted to crush the iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► I wanted to be redic in every way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► disk i/o memory you know CPU speed number of course it like everything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► should just it's just crush all the other messages why even have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► product and if to make something the crashes all the other Macs you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► make something with no internal drive bays he just uses like the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► marcos crazy PCI Express St Carteret fine whatever whatever you gotta do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► make this thing ridiculous faster when when Mac reports of little graphs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► showing like how this computer compares I don't want to see just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► little lines looks like your your cell phone signal strength in the last one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► a little bit longer so much you know in every possible way that's the purpose of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► this machine and I'm not so picky to say like oh you have to make it exactly my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► needs I I like sheep internal drives a jeep so you have to have room for 500 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► drugs or whatever if you have to make it but no internal drives and she's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► sealed box with insanely fast fun and do that so that's my wish for the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► this point I'm into the bargaining stage I think there there's a few things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► consider here you know one is that when people are thinking about what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► with the Mac Pro and what the future might hold people whose throughout these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► weird ideas like oh they're going to have to be able to daisy-chain multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► Mac minis with Thunderbolt and compile the computing power like all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► of these crazy ideas but like I said in the ad hoc Rui do TV anime games look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► better get back to me and so but the reality is the Mac Pro is as the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► workstation it runs stock Intel CPUs on AV almost stock Intel motherboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► know there's not a lot of like custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► Apple low-level engineering going into this it's mostly assembling stock Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► parts with sock Intel chipsets with you know some modifications for Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► not a whole lot and so I don't think you know I think it's very easy to just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► at what intel has available and that old roughly tells what the possibilities are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► here because that's how to my prose always worked and it doesn't seem like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► massively growing industry for Apple to dump a whole bunch of custom engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► into intel has custom injuries was to remember back when larrabee was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► at Intel right and the rumors I heard was that Apple's was totally into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► like oh yeah and tell you want to take on the GPU whereby making tons a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► cheap x86 cores and making a GPU and that we're all over that cause we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► all this you know OpenCL stuff that we think would work great with that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► like the project came to nothing but that's an example of where Intel may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► have this notion of doing something weird in custom and Apple would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► yeah we can do that this will build machine around this crazy thing so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3289">TS</a>]
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00:54:55 ◼ ► uses some crazy things that Intel made and it's like a collaboration where no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► one else was telling until we want this crazy thing because the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► industry does want to give the CPUs give us chipsets will put them into our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► service will sell them like they just want straight up stuff but Apple has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► appetite are used to have an opportunity 144 weird stuff can you make a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► shrunken version of whatever that core 2 duo was because without this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► shrink truck conversion we can't just a custom package though it was larry was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► project was doing you know it wasn't like they were doing it because of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► like they had their own reasons Apple sought and say we know we can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► machine around that so apparently the remarkable that Apple had them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► labs and they're still in route that it was the time they are making OpenCL I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► think we're just grateful that they were comin driver sales going to work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► had that come to fruition it would have produced a very interesting machine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► I think there's still room for that kind of collaboration where I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► it's out of the question that Intel could want to make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► independently of Apple Apple and Intel bring about will be excited by and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3352">TS</a>]
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00:56:01 ◼ ► been three years ago we got this great thing to be like it because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► couldn't decide for two and a half years and last six months I slap something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► that's possibility that the possibility is there working on something weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► crazy and it took this long for it to come out because Intel thing was later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► whenever like we don't know at this point but I would be perfectly happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► with Apple trying to do something daring in cooperation with Intel and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► think it's out of the question for us to see something that's weird but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► right they were much more likely at this point to set to Lex today at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► even the stupid boring thing is just taking intel's listing on sticking in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► box and selling it to us like that would be fine and told people wanted last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► but that's all we want to just take the new CPUs and doing given up nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► always have like we're not like the the super boring obvious thing at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► would just be like that's great yes fine go with that you know but I still like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► to thank her in the absence of any actual product it's this is our last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► chance to fantasize about something really weird but I think I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► worth it worth considering you know they skipped a generation for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► that they were there was some something that made it worth skipping a generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► and maybe it was a weird stuff well I mean come on it and probably not maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► your trip with Thunderbolt and chipsets cause I couldn't last year there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► good stuff on and on talk about this we're like basically last year thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► that server chips said there was no good way to put on a belt on and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► still kind of isn't goodbye to put on a busy on board that has a pci-express GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► on a card that there's still no way to wrap the video there are some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► decided relatively minor problem that prevents thunderbolt from working the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► way it should in a board that has a lot of video card that also means they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► couldn't convince Intel to like me just like that for us like I know where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► only customer just do that for us and like the answer for the volumes of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► Mac Pro from Intel is probably like you know they don't sell enough so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► what what has me interested be concerned is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► that it does seem like from what we're hearing a special even from what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► has said you know it seems like this isn't just a we skipped once young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► generation and the next generation which is going to be this fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► we're just going to update the CPUs and call it a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► this sounds like they're going to be doing a more significant change in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► but I'm kind of worried as to what that change might be and and and I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► earlier on has always been like this in the post like if you try to scale down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► the Mac Pro if you try to remove any any part of it the currently makes it big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► and beefy inexpensive say you switch to consumer CPUs of those that usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► one that gets a should do well just switch to Ivy Bridge has wellness which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► ever whatever desktop CPU family is current and that'll make it WAY cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► and you can make it smaller everything and all those things are true but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► if you if you go away from Xeons and you go to the desktop CPUs then you have way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► fewer RAM slots a lower RAM ceiling no support for ECC so you have plenty more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► chances of things going a little bit wacky special later on in life and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► so you know it's like a wreck some things if you record in the past two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► right and and like video editors who like people who like scientific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► computing people who actually by today's dual socket macros for like five Grandin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► up if you cut the stock account have you cut the performance of parallel tasks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► half and to most of us like me and you it doesn't really matter I i my current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► one is the single socket six-core because that just made the most sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► when I bought it but I'll for a lot of people like they don't want to give up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► socket date you know they would buy for soccer model if it was because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► actually it actually matters a lot to them if something renders in half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► time and so you know if that's not to be taken lightly to remove half the course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► I want these computers and then also affects the rambling stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► there's there's other problems with with that then there's you know people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► say oh you should remove the card slots at well that ruins a lot of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► things and in small ways you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► everyone's people who want to have more than one GPU to have a bunch of monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► and there that's surprisingly common actual and you can see how you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► Thunderbolt you're adding hacks and that's a that's more limited and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► like that and you can have your monitor that exist in the world and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► that so there's there's all these edge cases with the Mac Pro and you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► before there are so many edge cases of every other Apple computer says no in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► some way no you can't have this no you can't expand this node is limited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► this the Mac Pro only says no to affordability and size constraints and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► power usage right but it's like the new Mac Pro basically covers all of the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► cases in in one computer end and if you changed any of its fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► attributes you would cut off a large slice of those edge cases and so under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► certain things like you know you can't make it cheaper without not using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► young anymore but that breaks the things you can't you can't make it smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► without you know removing some card support a bunch of days that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► reason why people buy these things and and if you make it a lot smaller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► your still running hot chips leonid different fans know that they might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► louder there's all these all these tradeoffs that make you realize that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► Mac Pro today is the way it is for really good reasons and that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► dramatically change something about it you're gonna anger a lot of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► you you're going to you're gonna make it suddenly not be possible for people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► use it for what they need to do anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► this information is not seem to penetrate the the fam by community but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► was surprised by the fact that you had to listen to your article again today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► and how people respond to it like the fact that you can't have high and GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► hangover Thunderbolt like we're gonna go completely through the Thunderball one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► error with that never dying like every single form was like oh don't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► you'll see a bunch of boxes connected by thunderbolt and someone will say are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► can have a hand in your car notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► why I'm like that's seems like that piece of wisdom should eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► penetrated the community but like that's that's a non-starter the daisy chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► type box thing like there are some things you can externalizing that you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► like to give me one is optical right tackle slow that could have been outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► the computer forever guaranteed optical inside it and less like the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► continues to be huge in which case both put him in there because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► whatever but like you can externalize an optical and you have not lost anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► because optical are so cheap and they're so slow there's no problem the buses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► in like that but I was there anything else you externalize you do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► external video cards but you can't do it with current honorable team with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► Thunderbolt I don't think it's fast it's like whatever the 16 x PCI Express line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► maybe maybe we'll be able to that I know but certainly not with existing thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► about you just can't write externalizing drives well he said it probably too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► I think so but that's like you need some sort of enclosure and you have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► things dangling around if they discovered and wires and enclosures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► power brakes on all these like a million different things and it's more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► well you know good luck finding a drive mechanism or you could buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► one-eighth of an external trade you can buy an empty Thunderbolt enclosure for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► like a $200 twice the price of the actual drive right and you know video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► cards and i cant external as those and the CPU sockets like you're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► have one of those in a box like I think the new interconnect like Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► everything we can talk about them about the second CPU of Thunderball Campbell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► oh and now it's not magic it's so the bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► limited bandwidth and you can write and so maybe we someday we will get to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► modular point but we're definitely not there yet and even if we were like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► would be the motivation for the modularization in that way because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► would just create a big hairy massing . the company that wants you to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► hundred boxes like unless they could be connected wirelessly or something we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► thought power adapters everywhere for 25 years and maybe we'll have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► Mecca many like things that all talk to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► you know and and provide imagine we're not there yet so I don't know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► other things too is like if they're gonna make any any of these dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► changes to the Mac Pro what's in it for them and what's in it for us like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► get Mac Pro owners we already keep the computer on the floor next to our desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► or under a desk like it's we don't really need to be a much smaller I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► I don't really care what size it is I don't see it under my desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► you know its size is not really that important power usage is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► important either it's put into the wall and electricity in most places where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► could afford a Mac Pro is not that expensive and you know it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► your computers made p for people who are doing important things with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► doing demanding things like what you know it is there really that much demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► to shrink it or to make it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► cooler running or anything that I just don't see it and and so so obviously you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► know if they're going to make something dramatically different that sounds for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► the most part it really is about the different it sounds like for existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► mapper fans it's going to be significantly worse in some way so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► question is is there gonna be something better to make up for that like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► Apple what they're saying you know Tim Cook said oh you'll be very pleased by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► it next year and then that thing I'm going to do it the guy said you're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► happy you waited it it seems like Apple's really happy with this Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► really think this is awesome and I have to wonder if you believe them when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► say it like to be happy with soon as you say that it makes me know that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► going to be happy with it because like we we now believe that the people behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► who people in charge of deciding anything about the Mac Pro do not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► our interests at heart because they've left us out in the cold for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► right so now we've we've already decided like if you if you can about my needs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► we would not be in the situation so clearly you don't and this is just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► is kind of like the Final Cut Pro people felt like I think you're gonna love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► new found a problem like I can't get my work done because you didn't support XY [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► and Z and even though you think we shouldn't be using whatever that stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► file format was that I actually need to do my work so screw you did eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► support for that thing was that a camera in the name of like Apple this totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► on board and I was both as a non video editor saying yes I gotta drive the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► stuff forward but if you just need to get your work done now comes out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► new original founder protocol non-starter view I that's great but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► can't use that program you you have made something that's not good for me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► Apple is telling those people we think you're really gonna look like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► had told before found competent came out there like you guys man just trust me an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► extra 50 prosecutors gonna love it it's gonna be awesome and it happened I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► probably really believe that and it arrived and those people did not love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► right right or wrong so they were wrong to not limit that you know it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► matter who is right around the fact is that Apple told those people you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► going to love this program and they didn't and I feel like where exactly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► that situation where Apple telling us we're gonna love it and we're not where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► did we may be wrong and maybe that you know you should not because that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► future maybe this in future but I don't feel like we're gonna love it yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► think you know Final Cut Pro 10 you you think you hope at least I hope at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► I hope that Apple learn from that that you know they their arrogance of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► we're gonna take things away and you're gonna like the result better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► it's just because we think it's better that has worked a lot of the time and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► lot of times they're right but it only works to a point and at some point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► cross the line you just anger people and are you make a decision you make it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► you can't do your work anymore and works if you can do like we don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► existing customers this economy better for new customers new customers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► future this more of them if that's true you're fine if it's not true or less 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► customers are pissed and so I feel like you know the Mac Pro it it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► similar market in many ways it overlaps the market of people who use final cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► and and I worry I i'm i'm reassured that I hope Apple learn from Final Cut Pro 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► and from it being relatively a debacle and and cost them a lot of a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► customers I think but also you know so the Mac Pro it's a lot of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► people with a lot of the same problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► and it's a very sore situation where of Apple dramatic changes this in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► things better it better really be better in the customers I hit a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► are going to be angry and it's going to be you know Apple can tolerate losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► some small percentage of an audience right to get a bigger one but the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► Pro like to be young people who buy this thing are people who are needy and picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► like us or like professionals who do video editing and stuff like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► those people who buy these things it is not a mass market products and I feel he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► can get a price computing market you can you can be that aggressive with removing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► features and change things around in the consumer market but once you get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► things that people need to do their jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► our needs are a lot less flexible and so when you when you start messing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► things you run a much bigger risk and I i hope they learn from that but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► know if they did I want to reiterate though like that I really do believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► that ten was that the correct move and it is better than the old one is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► transition period it's difficult and that's why I said before that I am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► will actually be okay with them producing something new that does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► satisfy the needs of existing provided the reason they did it was because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► decided if we totally ignore the needs of existing customers and went off in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► this new direction we can make a computer that is dramatically more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► powerful dramatically faster in the same way that i believe i think is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► the case that Final Cut Pro by leaving behind all that legacy craft lesson do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► things they were not like not be able to like the democratic counterpart and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► someone who is not a professional video I watched that and I'd use the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► version and I said wow this new version is much better for the reasons stated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► is it's just the people music at their job done there were pissed off right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► I'm willing to say fine you're gonna make a machine that is unsuitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► according to my current needs that is unsuitable for a large number of current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► Mac Pro customers but it's like super awesomely fast and you can do amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► things that you could never do like if they traded it for something right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► thought they did trade it for something they traded a program to the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► customers look like for a better way to edit video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► that may have been too damn trade business wise or whatever but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► like time is on their side with that type of transition assuming they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► continue to develop the product and I'm ok with that for the Mac Pro but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► want to see them training all the stuff existing customers want and just give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► like a minor delays I'm a community like screw you like like like like a faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► Mac Mini Mac Mini with a great EBU and it like that is just helping nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► cried so Final Cut Pro even artists landed i think is an example of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► doing the right thing and getting punished for it by by their existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► customers feel like it's much easier to fix software free shipping like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► went back to find comfort and I said ok see you I think was a decision was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► you need support that ok we'll put it in its you need this ok we'll put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► like they did they did go back right but you cannot release a point release that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► includes more PCI slots right so I don't know if it's much harder when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► to hardware and I'm a little worried but what do you think about the Ren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► possibility I think you are right that bike hits it sure looks like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► borderline right like maybe you can see this year and maybe would be like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► barely gettin under the wire but it would sure you better way to next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► on yeah I'm thinking you know for four point of view you know Apple obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► has really good connections to the panel manufacturers and can get things before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► everybody else you can look at the original 27 inch iMac for example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► that and when the 27 iMac first came out and had the same horizontal resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► as the 30 inch monitor and cost a few hundred dollars less I believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► much about it but it had lower res 13 transfer but it only cut off a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► bit off the bottom of it went from 1610 269 and so you know it it was thirty 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4372">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► inch was 2500 something 2560 by 1600 vs 2560 1440 now the twenty cent current 27 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► inches 1920 by 1200 know your size off thats the 21 anyway so when the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► had the same resolution roughly very close resolution as the 38th monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► that actually cost almost the same amount as the entire iMac it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► like you were buying this awesome monitor and getting a free computer lab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► the back of it and yes and her get mad and so you know the at the time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► seemed impossible you know people like me who are geeks about the stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► how can Apple afford to put this ridiculously expensive panel in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► computer it only costs that much and it turned out that they had a good deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► with the manufacturers they were the first ones to get a panel of those specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► and in that size and and they got a really great price on it for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► that's how they were able to do it and so you know today it comes out the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► day came out there who was it Asus somebody had a Asus Asus had a 31.5 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► porque panel just 38 40 buy something and and and Ada at my sitting resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► that is officially retina by Steve Jobs old definition of it and so distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► rather and so you know retina for k panel now exists and they say the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► for Asus monitors gonna be like $4000 well what if Apple AAPL has some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► good deal with somebody to make similar panels to make them for k panels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► what if they can sell it for 3,000 hits how much harder to get that deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► you don't put it in IMAX tho cuz if you just put it in the Mac Pro now that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► saying they wouldn't do it because they can get a great deal under whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► because they have no problem charging obscene amounts her big month for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► 30 interest 3500 registered so I don't think it's a hardware limitation and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► don't even think it's because they can get a good deal on them I worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► how balanced the machine would be with that high resolution I mean I guess if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► you find with the Mac Pros you're gonna have a really big hopefully a really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► powerful GPU and there but if the Mac Pro is the only machine you hook up them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► on her to feel like people with laptops alike can i buy that monitor black no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► you can't you can't drive from your laptop and it's like he said nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► like it would just it would make more sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► economy of scale wise to wait until all that power lines all the apples line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► computers can drive this monitor and then just by then it will be cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► anyway naturally then bring it out then it comes down to like the reason I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► doubting is because I was just shown so little interest in the super high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► like why would they even bother to put a reminder that only america can run of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► computer they are not even a bit in the computer for three years and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► they're going to give its very own special monitor for an entire year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► no one else can use the entire product line even if they charge five grams of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► that money just like that season seems like kind of thing that Apple does these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► days but then again the Mac Pro to the similar kind of those days in this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► hard to envision in this period of time here without an update for the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► forever that we're going to get both the new Mac Pro and a fancy new awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► under that only the Mac broken then provide like that would be helped turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► around and to think well hate crime but also you know you know what if what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► this is part of the new Apple under Tim Cook where they start caring about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► high anymore because the high end is very profitable it's it's very low units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► but it's very profitable per unit plus they just want to make you happy I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► really that's what John pipeline to the finder in the file system as examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► how I think I think if you if you look at you know assuming Haswell laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► come out next week I think you're right that it would be really a stretch for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► them to release a monitor that only works with Mac Pros that would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► would definitely be a big stretch I think there's two interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► possibilities here one is what if the Haswell laptops can output for k what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► they actually can now put these monitors and its energy they're not talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► yeah it's like you can use DisplayPort 1.2 able to point at which isn't ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► yet but I worry like ok can drive it versus like can drive it and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► scroll things at a recent you know me and like it's kind of red currant the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► current when they have to render the off-screen thing to be larger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► present scale yeah that off screen is really pushing under the current GPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► is that like I was like that's good but you know what I spend the fifteen inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► biggest off-screen is forecast a when you want me putting in the simulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► 1920 mode that's for its like it's it's almost a before care if it's not exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► so if you're already kind of do it I'm thinking of like if you spent the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► of money you spend on the high end thing you don't want to scroll feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► fine if I'm doing something taxing is ok to get a little study but the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► reason to buy expensive things everything else to be like butter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► inexperienced citizens you know so I am I guess you're right if the FDA granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► and ever look at the actual resting at the if the current off-screen is similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► to four then maybe I can drive it as just a question of the interconnect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► could do also come to the back brokers with both to the rear badge Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► to have been officially announced yet so I was like wow is Apple going drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► external displays and people would come at us in areas of well happened to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► some crazy custom thing because Apple's AAPL and they only underscore were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► to support and so what you buy the album are you hooked up to the Apple Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► replacement and runs for both unable to my understanding is all Thunderbolt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► is my understanding from a single tweet from crazy person is it should do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► take the 210 10 Gigabit links and hang them together so you have a single 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► thats all of us and that's why it's to access instead of having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► bidirectional 10 gigabits you have one bidirectional twenty you better think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► again that the sourcing for that is a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► research so feel free to email me and tell me that is not the case now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► you know if it drives a display in terms of the spyware you can but yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► the other possibility though is that what if this crazy cool new thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► rain iMac that position at the very high end and maybe has more RAM slots are too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► hard Rabbitohs like that you don't worry about driving to $100 cause it'll be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► the same case right thing but then what is the reason why you can't get one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► these panels into the existing IMAX presumably is mostly because of cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► concerns that the iMac is not a very expensive computer even at the high end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► it still you know there's there's not a whole lot of a not a whole lot of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► there to charge like an extra grand for an iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► in the current lineup at the current specs and buyers but if if the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► macro solution for preferred pro buyers is just an iMac that has some amped-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► specs and maybe a little baby like you know wanted to actually drive base and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► it took the whole but if it often somehow chauffeur-driven their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► you know if if if they somehow address it with a modified I'm acted like I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► pictured as being not just looking after 27 inch but with a high-resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► picture it being like you know larger thicker bigger and more substantially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► different from the current iMac but not as big and beefy as a Mac Pro there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► probably wouldn't be enough room in their retirement funds maybe would use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► it would just use the high-end desktop chips but no matter how to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► 32 gigs of ram but maybe you have like a nicer GPU and more bays and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► Thunderbolt like maybe that would be enough I would be by the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► because I want I want right now that badly that sounds like a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► I'm acting like a macro someone just posted a nanotech article in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► reminded me while I was like so yeah but what I said about thunderbolt is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► cramping like display part is alongside the two targeting channels I believe so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► the Thunderbolt to will have DisplayPort 1.2 will support for k video so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► like the fact that Thunderbolt to is just gained yeah they're the two 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► Gigabit things is not actually relevant to the display part of it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► think the DisplayPort stuff runs alongside both of those channels someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► saying no not this happens we don't have any research beforehand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► Casey but all these things like the two of the fact that it is plausible that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► could have for k issue redneck his displays being driven by all that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► laptops and whatever the mapper replacement is this year but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► plausible that they just decided to wait it out until next year for the Renault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► 20 gigabytes per channel carries both video and did so now they were somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► around an hour and a half in do want to talk about 2007 barring a popular and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► liked what what do you want to see in it you haven't talked much recently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► should have brought up the macro said while back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► good way to see what was coming in iowa is to look at what the low-hanging fruit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► is and Apple will fix it so for example you know Notification Center is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► example background and copy and paste all very good very classic examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► let's get the low-hanging fruit and I think you would set a few months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► maybe even with us that there's a lot of low-hanging fruit left and i'd echoed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► that my in my blog post on the blog that doesn't exist and no one reads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► Justin Williams actually comment added me on app.net that you know even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► there's not a lot that is that is that annoys me about iOS is what I had said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► and the things that do I doubt Apple will fix Justin then said well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► what that could buy Apple in the butt in that they could get a little complacent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► could end up getting left behind and I think that's a very interesting plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► and so what do I want and I was seven I don't I don't even really know I expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► to see some amount of you I change I don't think it'll be the sweeping oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► goodness everything is flat looks like Windows Phone 8 series 789 whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► called but I do think they'll be a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► brother that I'm not really sure what to expect I wish I had some sort of grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► epiphany that I could share with everyone so I can catch cold during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► keynote and say oh look at me I was so bright but I can't come up with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► that i think is really there were really in dire need of looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► popularity of things like a callback URL and all these all these absent just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► launched other apps or or the do things with you I'll call back in creative ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► it's very very clear that we are just starving for better interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► communication and that you know we keep doing all these hacks because that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► we have basically look what people are truck are doing terrible hacks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► accomplish and see if there's a good way that the OS could support that and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► better so and I think the two big ones there are internal communication and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► periodic updates of a nap background updates his right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► like you know you have things to do geofence updates which is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► terrible how I did it it's it's a terrible heck that's all you have if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► they could it could solve those two problems of apps updating in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► background periodically and intercommunication that would be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► major changes to the OS that would please many many users and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► alright so I'll buy it on in her application I think you're right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► that I think they're going to have some sort of improvement I'm not convinced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► it's going to be hyper robust it'll probably disappoint a lot of nerds but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► but how do you suspect they're going to manage back grounding in such a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► it won't be the Android every app installs a daemon just because they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► situation I really don't know you know i've had i've had some ideas over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► years and how they might be able to do it and it's interesting if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► one case where they do it which is newsstand and and newsstand apps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► allowed to wake up in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► once a day by Maurice by getting a special push notification sent by their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► servers so you know more now glenn has a magazine publisher can can send a push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► notification to make the the application wake up in the background and do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► for up to 10 minutes I think that system can be extended little bit tonight on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► new standard ABS if you tied to a push notification then it does restrict it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► some level to just you know absent services that are big enough to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► push back end and it it as an economic cost me as a very small one but it adds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► a cost to the app creator that you know you can't just have every app wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► constantly for everything you know like there's gonna be some kind of weight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► cost of sending all those push notifications and that then gives Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► a way to throttle it at the system level and at the policy level you can say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► know right now newsstand being once a day is pretty infrequent and wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► release all the needs of most apps that do this but what if it's limited to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► and then once an hour will be plenty you know you could even do it less than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► and you know what if what if you have to like have some kind of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► justification for it that's enforced at a preview level you know there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► maybe you could like you can apply again to certain tears of you know you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► justify be able to being hourly versus being daily or force being twice a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► like there's there are ways they can do this and there's precedent for all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► they've already done many of these things they've already introduced like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► certain you know half measures are limited measures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► and gather in in talking to various Apple people over the years on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► exact topic and begging them to do something about it it sounds like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► always a topic of significant internal debate as to you know how to allow this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► kind of stuff whether to allow any can do things like you know only when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► on wifi or only when it's plugged in you know there's there's all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► you can do to mitigate some of the downsides of a bunch of waking up here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► and there you can do it like only app Steve launched in the last week or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► many things you can do to to limit it so it's not totally out of hand and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► you know the internal debates about this maybe that is different now that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► different leadership you know it we don't know yet you know and you know Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► made those comments at AllThingsD about you know how they need to open up some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► things in the API's and they're gonna be doing that you know that's he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► just throw that out there that was that was like a significant statement that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► think we should pay attention to and I think I I don't think he meant that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► lightly it could have been about the fall types that could have an indirect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► communication there many of their many things that fall under the category of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► that big freeze about opening up those are all those are just to know which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► it is sure to be all 39 just one thing for the background stuff Apple's amo so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► far and has served them well is anytime you have anything they want to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► in the background download applications do it without a single system service do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► it and that the application sort of register with us system services like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► this the bush notification 01 process that is you know responsible for doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► all that and the applications in or register their intention I don't exceed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► 200 push notifications work singled and process that you know what you want what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► you don't want to have his like the you know you don't have it and processes if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► you have an application so you have one process that applications ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► if you wanna go long as they give you just had a few had like it you don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► don't want to have that one application like load bundles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► applications only other applications going to crash the daemon process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► whatever is going to be said so you need to have some scenario where a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► diamond process like everyone just do the arbitrary one single diamond process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► flows arbitrary code supplied by their applications doesn't crash when their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► code is crappy but interleaves their code in an efficient manner so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► someone that I oh wait some other processes running and you only have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► process like that's the idealized version hey everybody anyone could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► anything in the background they want but all your work will be put through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► single final and it will throw you in a little like you know like a little mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► a little mini scheduler for background type task and it could apply policies it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► like you said once per day or whatever but that's the extreme where we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► care what kind of coaches do doesn't have to just be a specific set of API's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► you just take your upgrade to a run and we do it all within this one gatekeeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► application that runs yourself but I think that is too extreme I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► much more likely to have a more limited set of things you can do run by single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► process is just the the boundaries expand ever so slowly outward from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► they are now writes a fence around what we can do now the pencil it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► little more stuff you can do but still is already in new stand by the way did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► you know you can you have to push the waste is up in the background and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► you have the acid download system which is you basically register URL handler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► and and then you know it you say you know this your hour this request and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► just let me know whenever you're done or the next time I'll a card does your code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► is your full flight jacket to run or just like a lot of a bundle insider up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► get the run there is no such differentiation and iOS today if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► a parent that all you can do whatever you want and so you get woken up for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► 10 minutes when the push comes in and you can do it everyone including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► download directly but then if you think you the URL download the ENK asset URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► download or whatever and KS at something download then that goes into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► background cue that your application doesn't own doesn't manage that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► don't see that again until it's done with your appt is not get woken up when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► it's done just but next time you launch you can infect the results of it so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► you're if you're woken up to do your thing and you start doing your thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► pressure right you didn't get a chance to do your thing killed it the only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► only thing that helping you is it if during that time you had registered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► something like that asset to go down over direct then you getting kills on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► big deal because you've already registered user intent of this test I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► would like to perform I'm not gonna do it you do it up sorry I killed when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► come back later to say hey that thing I told you about last time that you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► that for me to get the result of these at the end and one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► actually one of the things that kept bugging me whenever I would write things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► against this API is that the ENK acid download seems to go into a a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► item at a time cue that seems to be possibly the same Qasab updates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► another installation other like system downloads and so you might think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► something and it might not finish for hours even if it would take a minute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► download because a bunch of it that's what I like this is like a mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► scheduler visit has all the same problem a schedule where you want you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► to start low priority processes because that's like to know that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► pathological case we're like a great schedule high-priority test only get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► service when you end up with some low protested would be accomplished in half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► a second if only we'd ever get up to the higher priority stuff so you have yet to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► some way to convert that part its ok we do need to give low priority when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► chance to go or maybe you should like scheduling based on how long you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► they gonna take and again late when things are and i oh wait you wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► something else you know I just don't get all exactly the same process that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► entire US has for you know for scheduling processes but instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► having always do it like this is all a final images to the Android thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► will actually let the OS kernel schedule the stuff for us and then everyone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► can process as you kill your battery so that's that's the downside Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► trying to to strike here and it sounds like the thing they have during news dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► is like a really terrible OS kernel in terms of like oh you're blocked because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► you know something is someone's updating some games like 1.3 gigabytes and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► just want to fork a URL oh sorry right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► what else in Iowa 7 any witnesses because we do have to wrap up soon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► silence the park the father absolutely crazy like I give them less than 50% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► chance but that's not totally crazy right and if if they read and pick if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► they would revamp an application that would also give them a good opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► to rethink this whole URL scheme registration system and and maybe Thai [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► Thai like a sequel of that into the new system and it would be an interesting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► would be a convenient time to let you change the defaults we know why you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► doing all this other stuff with having some kind of interactive registry in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► some kind of you know file association type thing you know it would be the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► to do it if I could do it plus I know it sounds silly but as you guys pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► what is the big room Presidio and in Moscone it's going to be bigger this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► year and it seems like every no I'm not being literal but it appears that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► sessions are gonna be happening Presidio and procedures can be bigger which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► infers I think you said Marco or implies excuse me that that there that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► going to be some really massive changes changes happening now but one thing I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► want to want to temper their excitement for the for the whole TBA thing a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► bit that typically what they do is they will mark accession TVA even if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5730">TS</a>]
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01:39:24 ◼ ► many levels of scare quotes famous so this is the one place where we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/5964">TS</a>]
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01:40:50 ◼ ► but we appreciate him doing that will put a link to the song in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ63vZE/6050">TS</a>]
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