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00:11:55 ◼ ► interesting ways in enhancing notifications and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► at a lot of the stuff they talked about with internal stuff and that's good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► get that it comes up but it also means I don't think that you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► screenshots do you have a memory compression probably know how much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/725">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► John Siracusa spend writing up all these little internal foibles and bits and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► it depends on how much information I can get about them because like there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► going to be a section on their implementation of memory compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► right and so like how do I extract information super technical details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/739">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► about it other than to simply explaining it to people who don't know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► in a reasonable way that expands out somewhat but I don't know how much do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► get into because it's not anything it's not a developer feature that are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► to spend time at WTC explaining the developing just think they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► explain are like how to make your appt more memory more battery efficient and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/758">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► the app nap things like things that interact with your application they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► probably spend a long time explaining how those things work and I'll be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► to expand on those but some of the stuff that was in the keynote like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► anger and hear about it is but was in the keynote and what's it like this PDS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► like they published a PDF just technical details but not really and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► last of those things right and then just prefer putting all use that thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► say look like they say is it better whatever and you know the last minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► they're gonna play new theme screenshots that's that would be that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/790">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► terrible so I should say that the three of us together in the keynote and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► like there were there was a moment in which it was clear that they were about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/800">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► to announce the release date and I could feel all of the stress and anxiety and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/805">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► tension in the air from from my friend John to my left cuz you were a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/811">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► nervous I was like that last year and the year before too and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/816">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► difference was coming in I think both players coming in a thousands of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► written already coming in to watc because they had done like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► super-secret preview and development this was like total radio silence so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► that was kind of help lamar respect that they can't really say we haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► seen it what are they gonna do people have to absorb the other hand it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► have been this was a really slim release in the figure is absolute still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► compatible and it would be you know coming out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► July 4th never be screwed but now there is a set fall I like fall I encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/842">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► and take as much time as they need it said we want to cover the the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/848">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► hardware yeah let's do it let's do keynote order so next I mean to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► think we really want to talk about is the new r2d2 Mac Pro trash can so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/858">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► gentlemen thumbsup thumbsdown comes in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/865">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► what we think I said that even if they don't make a machine that suits my needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/869">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► if they if they feel like they're filling the spirit of the macro by doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► something that has just massive performance even has to be some craziest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/881">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► thing you know like PCI Express SSDs and in some crazy arrangement like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/884">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► decided they can make something cooler better by not having stuff inside it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► fine then at least like at least it will be very interesting I think this fills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► that criteria is daring it is interesting they did crazy stuff with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► and they do crazy stuff because they felt it was better and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/901">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► this machine is also focused on being much more powerful and capable than an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/905">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► iMac in some respects in other respects able to now look it may be that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► speak out an iMac with more internal storage in this thing and that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/914">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► depressing it's almost definite but you will not be able to speak out and iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/917">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► with more GBS strengthen this thing because it's too big and thick you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/921">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► whatever professional 3d GPUs in and that's they've made his machine for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/925">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► people who know what those GPUs are and who actually need them to do their work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► which again does not help me and does not fulfill my criteria for the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/933">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► but it is totally a daring new interesting bold design that they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► really committed to an excited about and had a cool video with the big booming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/942">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► based in the Darth Vader look of the the entire thing I give that all thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► but I am said that is making machine that suits my needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/950">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► does not have internal drive bays the GPUs did not look well suited for gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/954">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► for these drivers won't be I suspect it's going to be stupidly expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/958">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► not a lot of internal storage and then like this is the most on a polite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/963">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► and expecting everybody by third-party monitors third-party for kmart has she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/969">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► mentioned in the keynote and third-party external Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► enclosures for drives like Apple's not even gonna sell one of those you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► Apple made one of those in like match the machine people would buy it even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► it was crazy expensive now we're kind of thrown to the Wolves ok well here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/983">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► little trash can and you go and figure out what you want to connect to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► good luck I thought it was really wild and as someone who has no selfish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► interest in a Mac Pro it seems to me like when you touch understand it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/995">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► to me that they they were fixing the problem of what do professional video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/999">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► and audio content media people and 3d exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► you know it's not for you guys who just want an extraordinarily beefy Mac it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► not for Marco who may be just doesn't want to have tables all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► it's for someone who is working at a studio defined studio how very pleased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and it's going to solve that problem which I think it did fairly effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► like the pics are people than an ounce they're gonna have if you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► how the macro performs tomorrow to go in Pixar's gonna go and show how they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► real-time render stuff with their you know because that's really gonna give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► that much information has not been a good they're going to show off what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► dual professional-quality GPUs can can handle on their and they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► not game GPUs as far as I can tell those are the only options as those crazy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► that was always an option when you bought a Mac Pro that you can pick from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► the video card was like you pick you know the crappy stock video card but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► sometimes they even have active cooling capacity thank you pick you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► one or two cards that are bigger than that and then there was always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► option was like at $3,000 and was like Nvidia whatever and you would never want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► to let you gonna run my right and nobody will want those and they actually their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► gaming performance was great because the drivers for those things and gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► would not be you know but they but professional 3d people needed them we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► would never pick that one but now it's like you get it whether you want to or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► not so I don't know I don't know if I'm gonna end up buying this machine because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► I want to play games and I don't wanna have to buy a gaming PC never turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► that like the top of the top of the line retin iMac or whatever has better gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► performance I have to end up with an iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► god well with the world come to the nightmare I think it's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► interesting you know they they did they had this goal I think of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► something old and new and obviously the typical Apple modern values of making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► smaller but they you know in order to accomplish that what we have what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► have is a machine that has reduced choice and that does not cover many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► the edge cases of needs the previous Mac Pros covered and I have to wonder like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► you know so they made this thing really small but you know I didn't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► to be small like Mac Pro customers weren't really complaining that often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► the things were big I mean when you have to move them in kind of suck to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► handles couldn't your hands cuz they would like sixty pounds but for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► part it wasn't that big of an issue and you're right now everyone's gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► these GPUs to ever go to pay for these GPUs now stand alone as you've used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► be about $1,200 each other options that we have to have them at the only option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► so who knows what we're gonna paying for this machine they also there's no more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► internal drive bays there is internal PCI Express SSDs that look there's room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► they'll probably custom modules and so we probably won't be able to easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► upgrade them at least not for a while and apples gonna try to bazillion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► dollars for them exactly they always do exactly as it looks like the one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► the lid off upstairs there there's a there's a spot for a second slot on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► motherboard but the connector isn't even sited on there so it's like this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► an option when they scream the board but didn't even put the the connector on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► there it wasn't configured with that and you know who knows how the ship but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► it's looking like it might be like you have to buy it with two cards if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► want that much storage and so you know it because of the kind of module using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► it going to limit the amount of storage I'm guessing the maximum might be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► terabyte or nine 60 gigs when it ships with its 240 modules maybe they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► able to crank it up and get to 768 1.5 terabytes either way it's going to cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► storage and and you know there's no hard drive options there's no two and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► inch Bay and there's no PCI slots which is going to anger video people they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► going to have to buy new capture hardware and I you know the PCI hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► that the people used to use emphasize like it so quiet and get this fan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► everything you have to hook up external drives to it and it doesn't make a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► thunderbolts so now I have to take this beautiful maybe let's end this thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► beautiful and quite honestly gonna sit at my desk now I have to just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► by some random third-party Thunderbolt drive enclosure is going to have its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► fans and its own stupid noise will so much for the quietness like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► like you how long is the maximum Thunderbolt cable to put them in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► closet it's not you know I guess I like I think it's not it doesn't provide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► even for people who want to do like video editing stuff I don't have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► value the quietness and size because it's completely compromised by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► they have to use unless they're all using stands for everything I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► when I actually think a big production has it they usually do have 66 monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► monitors are actually big reason why but I think and also one big problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► video is that there's no longer a dual socket model this appears to be single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► socket only there they are going to use the 95 with the Ivy Bridge EP coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► it is in immaculate well of course that's only because intel's making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► 12 core II 5 this fall if they were continuing with their old way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► things you could have gotten twenty four cores and then there's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► that they moved to single socket which allowed them to make the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► much smaller much lower power needs a much lower thermal needs but video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► editors are going to really I think not react well to this machine for both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► lack of card slots and for the only single socket option and those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► like all the all the really high profit dual soccer balls start like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► thousand dollars today they're the ones who piled as high profit machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► they're the ones who like the iMac will not work for them and it will never work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► for them because they actually need as much CPU performance they can get to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► their jobs well into the economic like a bet on the future of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► more stuff is going to be moving to the GPU and then grounding on people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► rewrite their applications to use more OpenCL into farm stuff off because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► going to have so much more performance on the GPU CPU and just a question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► tapping it because if you think about like very little you can do it that Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► Pro is going to tap those two GPUs except for running a huge number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► monitors and running like my something that takes advantage of them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► something that works and everything else is just there seemed to be used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► sleeping there if I get one of these things it's gonna be such a waste of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► those GPA is it going to be showing text editors most the time and Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► like everything right but it's it's a desktop class machine is not a Mac Mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► so thumbs up there and it's not an iMac become integrated thumbs up there and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► lot of it we love with me on Dec RAM and it would make your textin better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► your stuff often really presumably superfast PCI Express attached SSD and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► so things will open really fast a lot like it's got all his good qualities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► then to grant worth GPU you don't want that you can't get rid of right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► and we don't know you know that the pricing of this is going to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► interesting because we don't know how much are going to be charged for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► cheapy is not going to be the same cost of putting too big and video cards in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► there it's not going to be four grand worth it GPU the question is how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► can they shave off by rendering these things to the boards having only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► having to be the only option for every Mac Pro buyer there they have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► some vitamins maybe they got a nice deal from ATF from AMD on on GPUs I mean who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► knows but that's good that's a big question mark i think is is the pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► and how much they're paying for those GPUs and it looks like they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► upgradeable that they they have some kind of weird custom way to attach to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► the to the to the main like CPU motherboard but it doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► this is gonna be upgradeable anyway except RAM and maybe even the RAM like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► fold out of his little like kills a little by little plastic latch opened up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► and then that the RAM modules flap like it's totally weird and custom it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► kind of like posted a picture of the 20th anniversary Mac subwoofer is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► similar custom it as are all the max like if you look at all the Arizona [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► MacBook Pros nothing inside them as standard everything is made specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► for that model to fit exactly and that's true the Mac Mini and the only computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► with the Mac Pro just like a video that was made like custom framing it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► terms of like manufacturer but the regular standard PCI Express card right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► and you could take that card out and it will physically fit inside a PC homework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► because the flash thing but like it made to a standard that was not made by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► nothing in this thing is a standard think so maybe the CPU and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► else is some crazy bored you know there's no standard SATA connector in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► 2.5 inch base 3.5 inches no optical drive bay you know nothing about it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► standard and so now it fits with the rest of Apple's product line visit their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► vision of how to build computers well nothing on the inside a standard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► there's one for Thunderbolt ports 661 reporters like 46 USB ports so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► the interesting thing about it is that there's nothing that's inside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► standard with the exception of the RAM but almost every connection to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► outside world his number eighty seaport or any other weird things in fact very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► few parts that are like they just have I wonder if those those audio parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► optical like the back of my Mac Pro has actual dedicated optical ports in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► addition to the ports and all that stuff like I wonder how much they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► sacrificed and the other thing about it the power supply were debating whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► is is the paris by internal error as their break and it does appear to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► regular you know the three prong need to plug the standard plug it does appear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► have the same roughly the same kite site is almost certainly internal and i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► thinkin from audio perspective like as the chief I've had terrible like you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► this electronic noise inside the shop on your audio and I still get it sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► like you know analog audio out optical audio out maybe there will be isolated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► like it was just a big box of toys and this money would presume that solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► problems as bill also would be a significant issue if they had a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► there have to have a fan and it is that you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► the highest GDP for the for the series of the on the Union for the 12 cores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► like a hundred and thirty what's for the CPU alone I wonder by wonder about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► whole thing in terms of characters GPUs are not quite like one of those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► would require like a big active cool on each of those cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► + gigantic van on the CPU I guess they get away with not having hard times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► the slot and he the thermal design does look really nice and I do like for noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► reasons I do like how the fan appears to be the only moving part but you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► is I think my two big questions on it which I guess we'll learn closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► launch my two big questions are entry price and read it displays because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► that GPU power may be the reason why they beefed up two GPUs like crazy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► everyone who buys this thing maybe the reason why is that they expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► actually ship a Retina Display sometime during the lifetime of when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► gonna win this thing and whether it's at launch that's that's pushing it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► but but you know maybe next year they they release the desktop display that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► you can plug into those that think they decided to the users are targeting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► this already have displays or don't want Apple displays anyway like that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► crazy to me maybe something interesting will never buy the apples are specially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► calibrated whatever display but like it seems like leaving money on the table I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► can tell someone this is really expensive computer in the configured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► with have an option for like the Apple super expensive orkut even if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► better than third party like because you're gonna make money on it and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► make it nice and it matches the display people buy it I guess right will see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► launch event maybe they have a new new displays maybe they don't I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► and the hard drives and looks like to buy this property between grand and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► you do not have you can't do a time machine because I got about Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► disconnect now you just now you just like an iMac user all you need is David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► external yet I machine like Time Machine is is one of the reasons why I so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► appreciate all my internal drive bays it's like i dont I hate this as I hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► the clutter of a desk covered in hard drive enclosures and all those extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► cables and power bricks that come with the internal hard drives on the bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► powered right and all that crap hate all that stuff and you know these days we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► are seeing a lot of moves towards network storage things like time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► capsules I'm sure they want you to buy that instead of the elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► historically they have not worked nearly as well as local disks for the Spireites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► the most reliable way to Time Machine her super duper anything you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► quieter and runs cooler dispenser down an unused power yeah so i i think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► will be interesting I think I'm probably going to end up buying one just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► I really want that CPU power and and that will help me a lot but it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► little disappointing that like what what the compromises that they made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► don't necessarily seem like they're achieving goals than any of us really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► asking for Apple's going on and so that's the thing is that it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► like Apple took their vision of what it sees me what a media person would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► one studio with Juan and they said oh they're gonna want an enormous amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► traffic power and a pretty fast CPU and that's all they should need when as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► guys were talking about in reality that might not really match up with what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► studio would actually want to buy so it's as though Apple invented this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► phantom persona that they wanted to build this thing for but it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► not you guys who want a gazillion internal drives and a lot and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► ability to move things easily and it may not even be for the studios because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► they're gonna want their own video cards are going to want more internal storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► said they had to be in touch with some have a video like something to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► video of like you know we the people who they built this thing for like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► to do with software whatever like oh this this new version of whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► amazing and I love this new version of aperture changes the way and they shall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► the photographer presumably they had some early feedback with like they must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► have had not a phantom person you know but like a real baby picture maybe Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► maybe that's why the new intelligence L Pixar loves these now they can run my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► really well and it doesn't take a lot of room and they just now but I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► is a phantom customer but I wonder why that's this machine though it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► the philosophy that adheres to is the one that Apple has for all but Arbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► custom parts as small as quiet as possible as simple as possible no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► standard anything we are not a PC manufacturer we don't make a box lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► stuff into and slowly all of Apple's computer stop being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► until there's almost nothing in them that was like standard or standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► opening her card slots or whatever and even like the hard drives like we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► replace those with their own not really custom but sort of custom little you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► know instead of SATA 2.5 in SATA drives with his little mSATA connector sticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► and then but it's it's like I think announced he was he was analyzing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► literature to figure out what it was and he said to them to my percent of two I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► think that it didn't appear to be that and it also gets to custom connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► custom modules custom everything ya know like that that's how that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► decide that's how you make computers from now on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► right it isn't in the same way the MacBook Air is made it was the precursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► now all their computers like better all the way down to the Mac Pro which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► just a philosophy that I don't think they cancelled and other ppl hey guys do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► you think we should make the battery sealed in an all-out tops do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► we should get rid of 2.5 inch SSD is and replace them with this little stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► things like they just decided this is the way the computer should be built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► this is the way Apple computers are going to be built and then also oh by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► the way would you guys like ok will build you one of those using our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► philosophy of all custom parts increased up like that and certainly I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► is going to bring Apple more profit because now we can still probably put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► third-party RAM but now we can put in 30 drives anymore and you try to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► the side in Grand up in the central fan and I'm sorry I only accept apple of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► Mac Pro shredder alright let's talk about our second spot in 2007 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► our second sponsor is Windows Azure mobile services they make it faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1985">TS</a>]
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00:33:19 ◼ ► Facebook or Twitter and sending push notifications if you try to send a push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► notification before you know configuring that can get pretty complex pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► quickly with Windows Azure mobile services adding pushed your iOS app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► as simple as typing push that APNs . send and specifying a device token and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► payload it's really quite simple if you're looking to build an iOS app order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2017">TS</a>]
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00:33:51 ◼ ► mobile services and all the cool stuff they're doing this is really cool stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► from Microsoft more info is available at Windows Azure dot com slash iOS thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► again to Windows Azure mobile services for sponsoring the show I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► gives you many more new reason three you might want to send percent of occasions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► it does actually a perfect segue John that's very true so what do we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► about iowa's I gotta tell you I haven't so Marco put it on his night I mean his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► not normal phone and his and and we've all played with it for I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► maybe between all of us a sum total of five minutes we haven't had a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► really process and think about it since I'm talking I'll start with my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► thoughts my first thought is I don't know what to think I feel like I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► chew on a little while because it is it is it is bold it is absolutely bold and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► the other thing I will say is the first thought that I had and I think all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► had the moment we saw the home screen is holy crap those icons of gotta go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► just rough I said the first thought I had when I saw this when they finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► revealed what it looks like and even a little demo video with dots in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► beginning is we we we can play by giving credit like all that you're not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► first person to make something with touchscreen we give credit Apple because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► they've been made the first one that didn't sucker whenever or you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► kind of making a phone call the screen I go Nokia phone was all screen before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► unlike those earlier ones don't count like whoever whoever sort of I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► right or wrong like whoever popularized it was famous enough and did the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► they get the credit because no one knew about it when I was just in the Nokia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► phone but then when Apple did you know touch me from everywhere are the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► things and in this case I really feel like this this visual style which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► been the first thing he hits you in the face of this thing on screens in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► those credit to this visual style planting a flag and this goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► microsoft with Metro they they were not the first person to go for the style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► they were responding to like things in the air about design community but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► remember talking about it on critical whether we're talking about after I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► watched that windows Metro video for windows 8 for like an hour and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► and I look back on my device and it looked old and creaky and clunky and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► this does not look exactly like Metro it isn't a ripoff of Metro but Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► the one who planted the flag of this is the new visual style and if you stare at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► this long enough even if you hate and think it's only when you look back at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► scrappy and I think I was seven is following that trend in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► Microsoft plant the flag and Apple followed and it will probably decide we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► probably have the same effect where if you stare at it for a long period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► time as you're developing your app when you go back to your iOS 6 and you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► at you can be like it's like it's going to be like pinstripes and no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► much you hate the ugliness of Iowa 7 I think that effect is going to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► and that that is it's startling to me and my guess is as good as both its this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► is a polarizing thing but I feel like there's going to be a ratcheting effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► where we won't be able to go back and think it's I would even say it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► looks almost like it's been heavily influenced by both Windows Phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► Android in a lot of its graphical treatments and styles like I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► the the new toolbar icons in Safari box like everywhere that we've seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► toolbar icon it wasn't just text that it is actually I can't run they look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► and ready in their design certain lifestyle and they're all like Finn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► abstract lines I get it really does look like and write and read the rest of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► looks a lot like like windows and and not not like you know not confuse them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► but you could tell at this is obviously a very heavy influence in the same with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► Android does not look like iOS but your face it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► Android is the way it is because I was came rain made an OS where you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► interact with a bit busy looking into it before I wasn't after and no one's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► say oh and Republican feel like it doesn't look totally different but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► gonna say Android looks the way it does because I was exists and I'm gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► like both Iowa 7 and Android share the influence I think at this point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► Windows 8 Metro which may not have been as successful product but was the 1st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► highest profile boldest iteration of that design philosophy which I again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► don't think don't necessarily invented but it doesn't matter just like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► didn't invent the GUI or the touch screen phone it is I mean we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► really really is remarkable to point out that Microsoft has set a new design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► trend yeah I mean to say set black and they are the standard bearer for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► first they they planted it in they were the big company that put it out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► and and like other people like what I've been doing hundreds of little people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► probably also there but they are Microsoft that's just how the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► works and it's it's startling not just that it was Microsoft that Apple is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► reacting to it you know with the Redmond start your photograph them saying they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► should react to it because fashion and design trends like that's how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► but this is one that Apple is not the standard bearer for they're just not now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► in the thing that I thought was most surprising was during tim's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► keynote early on I think it was his beloved customer SAT which I hate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► but it when he was talking about customer satisfaction numbers in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► he was talking about Android felt like he knew that Android a had alot of users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► but he just didn't believe in his heart that they weren't actual competitor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► the way you was talkin even even those very briefly the way you talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Microsoft it was that they were the ones that that Apple should be worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► it is all based on in my interpretation be with somebody came out and said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► but I got this feeling that Microsoft was the actual competitor it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► hammered home by the way I was seven works because it is not a rip of Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► but it's absolutely you're right it's a very heavily influenced by Metro like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► that's the direction everyone is going in and rain and Apple was not out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► first as saying come on everybody follow me and it's weird because usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► person is out there first with a design directions like everybody touch screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► phone is also the leader and the market and the smartphone market or really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► anything else you know like these days but they they were definitely the leader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► in that vision and its I mean I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► like all history stuff Seyfarth Shaw was not there and doesn't force there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► forestall rise to power does johnnie I've been windows Metro to the punch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► with with the software interface looks like this and the only reason he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► was because the combination of forestalling jobs were so they love so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► much land air and 3d effects and thick things and texture in the story of Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► Jobs someone shudder after Steve Jobs in the elevator add apples and apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► employees showed that a few seconds of this background or texture give it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► to me that story you like guys like texture and that maybe that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► diversion I think it was a fruitful the version I like the look of the old OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► but I gotta say it like Spencer AP like given in the demo on this and here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► you can test your apt make sure the metric still working I was six or seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► the switching back to six million in Roman yeah look really old and in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► audience that's like gaga for Iowa 7 like we're now all I was gorgeous works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► and looks weird but the contrast is like being dipped in water in the cold water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► you like I don't like either one but this feels cold now worth pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► there is that you know while I O A seven does appear you know by looking at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► static screen it does appear very Metro e in a lot of ways where they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► departed from both what Android and Windows is doing are doing is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► depth and that it was very important that nobody from Apple said flat at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► point that the word flowers never used to describe his design because it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► you know it's it's not textured and not using gradients very much but very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► like like Lauren burgers letterpress there is a depth to the interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► they used it very clearly and they use shadows and they used translucency which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► I'm a little iffy on it looks a little bit Windows Vista but you know they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► use they they make heavy use of layering and then the parallax stuff and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► transitions are all different it is very much like iOS before seven had all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► textures and greens and everything but the way things would move at the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► view controllers would push onto the stack it was all yeah you were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► moving around flat and there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► a big separation if you imagine them as a bunch of cards in the desk their car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► exactly what slide past each other in front of and behind but there was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► like this card is centimeter floating above the exactly and that's how windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► Metro feels it it they they do a little bit with the text you know like the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► being kind of partially off-screen you scroll in a little bit with that but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► the most part it still feels moving around flat teens and and iOS 7 I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► we don't wanna play with it much yet but it looks in the videos and stuff it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► looks like it has this great sense of depth and layers to it that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► really see any other OS's they're trying to sell that but that is a man this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► an overall that is a difficult transition to go from everyones got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► their absolute the look like the way to do now an apple says here's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► direction and when they show their own apps like sure they can make a male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► match that in a match that if you look at Safari compared to the old version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► Safari and you if you if you were to say okay well that's how that's how much too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► far ahead the change change to match into the the athletic and functional and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► conceptual model now take your app and outlooks you have to change as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Safari change and a lot that's not a little more work because he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► wildly different in terms of how the toolbars work and how it's practically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► new app in terms of the UI like none of the UI share that the reverend during a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► news shared improved but that's a lot of work to be able to fit into this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► world might be kind of like Apple's apps into this new world and you want someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► else's app looks a little different but the conceptual sort of physics model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► how it works the same sliding things in and out and then I guess even the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► animations unlike the sheets that come up and stuff like that but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► going to be getting any like the picker Packer has a little and I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► might be weird like it might be weird to use this on day one and see all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► built-in apps look in this way and all of the third party apps looking like iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► 6 with a fresh coat of paint right in the thing there are two things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► struck me about it the first was the way we describe iOS 6 is how would you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► something look 3d when you only have two dimensions to play with and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► have I don't know that the design II terms to describe it but that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► that's flat make much pretend that right and Iowa seven years I'm obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► screen still flat but I was seven years now we are putting some actual depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► into the interface and and it's not a fake anymore it's real and what are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► gonna do about that and so that that I think to me was the most striking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► difference and then in terms of what you were saying about the apps the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► thing about it is is as time went on with iOS 6 or are you know I was visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► interface genuine everyone got more and more away from standard UIKit elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► in so for example you know my little app that I have in the App Store it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► extraordinarily dated now because I never really bothered with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► appearance proxies or anything like that I never did custom UI elements and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► now at this very moment at least up until today it looked very old but I ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► I downloaded the new Xcode and ran it in Xcode and it actually looked just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► so but his advantage of staying with no standard UI elements is I blended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► reasonably well right off the bat and I'm not saying that that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► true for everyone it's just it's funny to me that all these people who went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► really wild with really really custom user interface is because I kinda had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► in order to stand out now we're going to kind of have to pay the price it depend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► in certain cases some developers could snow where the wind was blowing like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► friend underscored David Smith whose weather app I can't remember the name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► his like he brought up you brought up a control and he was testing an IRA 7 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► said oh is that the new like OS player control exodus was in the weather up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► some other up but he makes too many and he said no that's a deathly was frankly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► that's a UI that I drew and Michael that looks like I was seven already in 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► is another great example of another out there you know and and and the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► appetite like they are the AccuWeather app for that matter they reacted to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► same Microsoft is it because microsoft network like that same direction the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► wind is blowing in that way so if you did a custom UI and you did it and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► theme your Apple not necessary look out of place at least in a static screenshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► in Iowa seven and those people gotta be like wow this is great I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► that much work to do whereas the guys was super duper 3d round in custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► buttons that are tried to look like the OS buns in iOS 6 but not really they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► have a lot of work to do but you cannot but when I was on a screen that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2814">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► yeah that's why did you really gonna be a mean this i think by far is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► be released that has developers need to do the most work and you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► right that you know I think there's going to be the two extremes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► developers who use UI controls mostly unmodified will be pretty much fun with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► almost no changes and people who make their entire interface custom they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► gonna be fun to look they chose matches I was entirely custom and everything has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► grass growing on within their kind of like I worry a little bit about like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► like that style that might not fit in well with the new with iOS as new style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► I called this the whole style of the of these richly colored ingredient adapt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► have all the all custom but it's a custom to like what he just left it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► that and then you go out of this OS in the industry but why doesn't your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► becomes more distinctive I guess we'll have to see the other choices redefined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► help control the yearly Twitterrific is a good example of like how they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► lucked out big time and you know they saw the style is going also but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► very clear like Twitterrific when it came out looks totally radical and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► it's looking like oh that was that's gonna fit in but I I think so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► the developers who were in the middle of going to the net have probably most work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► to do and which I was I've always been in this camp special with Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► with the magazine I did a lot of custom stuff but with Instapaper I was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► in the camp of Use UIKit stuff and then modified it slightly or modify it to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► to do things it can do so I can you fake you fix the shaper you you fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► picture that if that's been your approach I think there's gonna be a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► of work like the iPad version of Instapaper like that looks like a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► custom stuff on the side the iPad version will actually be OK because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► almost entirely custom it's the paper for iPhone is is gonna is going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► some issues but fortunately no I think and the magazine should be fine too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► I think what you really gonna have to consider and what we're gonna see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► is going to be an uncomfortable transition this fall is comes out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► developers for users because so much is different I think apps that use mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► the old stuff even if you can get them to not look broken they will start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► feeling old and dated like what one of the biggest changes is the way that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► lake view controllers have this new death in the kind of push over its they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► they've they've almost adopted the debasement interface metaphor as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► like the way those the way two things moving are specially arranged David a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► doctor that for view controllers now I like that for the navigation pushes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► stuff I think if your app uses the old style stuff where you have full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► view controller and then you're gonna push down to his level and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► slides on screen new thing slides on if you're doing that a lot I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► even if it looks ok it's gonna feel I can't create a design and you're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► so much new stuff with parallax with physics their end just new styles new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► paradigms so much new stuff that I feel like you're gonna have to significantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► rethink your app it in a lot of cases to make it feel modern home in iOS 7 and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► would really I'd be shocked if anybody can really pull it off very well without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► dropping support for iOS 6 and before I think the biggest the biggest visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► trend aside from all the stuff that's obvious like looking at the pictures is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► this was a big trend back in the early hours days and developers of their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► accord have any meaning it back in the old days everything African at a top bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► and a toolbar thing on the bottom of the names of those alright and now and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► they're like people start to get to the bottom on and try to do everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► top on the net ride like have a top ones you can't hide it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► and Apple's apps on iOS 7 it's like everything everything is full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► controls if they're there and all have to be minimal and maybe make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► disappear when people aren't using them just like your appt fills the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► stream talked about including even the status bar with translucent rapid drying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► underneath that is not much you can do this as far as gonna have stuff in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► you can draw their but that is a totally different philosophy and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► weird like the screen taller and they said also didja stupid bars on top and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► the bottom I guess you just get and that's part of the thing that looks old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► about it is when you see like it's like a hat and like a belt the utility belt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► on the bottom and it's not like the top and then and then it makes the already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► small window in like and through those two things you can see your appt hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► behind it and those are like the button controls and now it's like maybe some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► whiskey words in a small font at the top and maybe maybe another thing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► bottom and then everything disappears when you scroll and if you tap that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► word come back and could tap them that is like you will have to change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► application and that's why I like you can't decide okay well I'll just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► conditionals and say if you're on iOS 6 drawer crazy as toolbars but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► not making too absurd that read you can't let you can change your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► interface or like fundamental parts of the navigation for just Iowa seven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► keep me that's that's ridiculous I don't think this is obviously the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► a new paradigm in a lot of ways and I don't think Apple got everything right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► and you know like we said earlier that the icons are are pretty rough one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► friends described the icons as they look like somebody's first illustrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► project and that i think is pretty apt I shot an airball they're not because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► can imagine icon designs that fit exactly what is this a static do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► look as ugly like D saturate the colors in like they could think of the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► detacher in like OS 10 things and they took all the color of a sidebar under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► whatever you could do is to predict the saturated subtle version where all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► is just beautiful simple flat line art former saying flat to me like they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► not shaded stuff to make it look like its puffy like everything is you know me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► to be like drawing printed on paper just don't use like bright pink and bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► purple and like don't use a saturated colors and it would still fit with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► aesthetic scheme is the aesthetics names like the buttons don't have borders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► around and they're just they're just words and the words have a color to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► you know that they're active like that theme is not in itself ugly and is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► but the icon centers like pink and purple and I am i spending down I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► safari in newsstand look at me I got Fisher Price Books and con game center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► where they got rid of the stigma green felt announced like just giant blobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► jello if you like a Barney show or just like a model I found the felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3234">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► parlor game thing and something I find this insulting to like they just do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► understand how gamers would like to see themselves or how they identify and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► maybe the maybe the game but it's not attractive but and go back to finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► that thought like I think they are starting this whole new paradigm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► didn't get everything right I think a lot of the stuff like a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► now are more gesture-based and therefore harder to discover lot of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► you know are but there are things that caused this to happen don't like buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► anymore and it's like there's all these all these changes that you know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► them I think we can agree like john gerdes pretty good post last night about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► about how you know the training wheels are no longer necessarily people people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► touchscreen devices now and we don't need everything and things like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► I think that's true but I think I think I might have got a little bit too far in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► the direction and I i think i think time will tell you a little bit or not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► ultimately I think whatever whatever Apple and developers do with this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► year we're going to have to revise significantly next year but just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► once we see this in action once the whole world is using these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► that this new paradigm in these new these new standards then we can start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► making changes in and seeing how it works in real use but I think it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► be a real gun control transition period was while we all figured this out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► think it's exciting I think the you know I think Apple has a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► revision they need to do with the styling of a bit but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► exciting overall I like I like the animations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► I I hate the icons and I hate some of the text only a decision they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► but I love the the 3d stuff I love the depth of the animations that that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► I that's the best example the train wheels thing i think is the lock screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► because everyone knows how to slide unlock right now and it still says slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► unlock and it's not as an animation ago from last night but I no longer looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► like a little insight plastic thing that you dragged along a little track cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► into the top of your phone they no longer need that but I think on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► other hand one of the things that like they we all know you know the little one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► of the rectangle I come with the era leaping over to the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► the share thing or the fact we gear manual settings turns know what those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► things are but I've seen plenty of regular people using iOS devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► they don't know how to like sheriff photo despite the fact that seven after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► they've used as shown in all seven square with a leaping out of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► probably like how you share something the word share is more you know more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► an affordable for them then that stupid little icon again despite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► I can do whatever you think like you would pick up the pattern like oh man I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► want to share something that I had a rectangle now that actually says share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► and and the fact that its blu-ray russia's you can tap and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► actually is a trade off in the other direction and they made an emphasis that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► what you're using words instead of icons because sometimes icons can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► inscrutable and even though nerds pick up and really quickly regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► don't so it's interesting that they're like not hand-holding on it because once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► you learn so wide open no one forgets that it's like that's it you know it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► do it designed times it's burned into your memory only happens in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► maybe people aren't learning gears settings or share is that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► rectangle thing and it's better to have the words on them so i i think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► trying to react to a population that is learning how to use smartphones but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► the same time recognizing the things that people are failing to accomplish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► with smartphones because of the stupid inscrutable icon exactly yeah and to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► back to what you're saying mark about the animations the animation to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► a nap in the home screen it's hard to describe but I love it I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► really well done I think it looks grade the new multitasking set up I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► somethings just a little off about it perhaps at the little screen shot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► whatever applicants must be a little bigger doesn't feel right it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► compromise felt better but a very similar yeah I'm not sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► specifically doesn't feel right I am totally thumbs up on the premise of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► think it's a lot better than what we've got with the little multitasking train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► iOS 6 but it didn't feel right but I but I'm totally behind the principle of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► and and just those little affordances just that animation to the home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► in the multitasking gesture multitasking view that alone makes me clamor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► putting this on my Hairy phone which I'm not gonna do because I did that with iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► 5 and I hated myself by the way we see if you are fewer friends have put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► on their carrier phones in the I would I would not recommend installing iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► haven't paid on your caravan it it looks i i didnt do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► thank God but it looks like it's pretty unstable and not ready at all I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► to that that the iPad beta is not out and that ended they didn't show anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► flashed up a screw Lakers statics one-shot probably fake I mean like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► know we ever since the iPad has existed since 2010 and since I was 3.2 it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► always it's always had a crazy mix of like just blown up iPhone UI and Anton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► custom stuff and generally iPad apps that used stock UI kit stuff looked way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► worse than iPhone apps that use stocks UIKit stuff and I wonder if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► going to take this opportunity well if they're eating and its opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► make the iPad version more distinct from the album version or if they went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► this design trying to make just one designed that looked better on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► rather than have a phone design it just blows up kind of the iPad but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► weird like that going back to Safari do you want an iPad screen just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► controls a safari just like disappears into starts growing because space is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► as much of a premalignant you you have that extra space on an iPad the toolbar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► doesn't do that training thing or is the OP is that an opportunity to find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► something better you can do it I i don't know i think thats what I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► red-headed stepchild it's like kind of gets phone UI stretcher custom thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► whatever but it's not a dozen sometimes I don't feel like it like they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► they decide to do something like that make the standard UI on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► tailored to the iPad and make it so you can make it an appt with all standard UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► on an iPad that both looks different from the the iPhone version and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► better in ways that a convention larger screen now I guess I guess what to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► what happens when they when they show us the iPad versions we we have we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► seen any of its like time pressure like this you know we have to we have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► a few things ready for the keynote what can we do about we just take our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► resources on the iPad version until after the keynote fine like that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► know that's the way it that way to beat the deadline and smile like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► it's not due until fall but if you have an iPad app now you just kind of like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► lick her thumbs gone right well do something so there's a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► things I was 7 related to talk about but in terms of the visuals are we saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► yes no or maybe i think im saying im to back you guys up I like it I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► jarring but what John said especially earlier where you look at your current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► iOS 6 devices and you go and and so i think there's going to need to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► tweaks but certainly it's it's it's looking a lot more modern it's looking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► lot more fresh and so i think im behind the changes but I definitely want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► it on a device and play with it for a while it was time for a change that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► whatever it was time for a change and this is a change in plan to let go I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► think jeff Atwood said you know i've seen the future and it's just more icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► on a background suddenly jeff Atwood like something they didn't change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► part of it but the visual design language of the OS and even like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► fundamental feature like multitasking stuff it's this is a change and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► was due and I really do feel like we won't be able to look back at the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► stuff maybe look pinstripes awful though I think that blew through the use of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► top bar will look pinstripes off almost already does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► at that point and we have plenty of chances to refine this because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► refined the current I was looking to change drastically from 1.0 but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► clearly an evolution of a single beast in this is the first iteration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► whatever this thing is so six more burdens from this the stinking look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► different but still be a direct descendant of iOS 7 I'm excited to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► new a new stage in evolution even if this is kind of the the awkward half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► I like I like the foundation they've laid out here and I I like the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► they're heading I don't like a lot of the individual choices they've made here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► but you know that that's that's going to change over time that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► refined and we'll see and we should also before round two at a time we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► really talk a little bit about the the technical changes with I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► that the two big things going into it that were on most people's wish lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► were pleased most geeks wish list were better multitasking and better interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► communication support or some kind of like contractor intense like system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► we got one of those and then get the other one and if I think that's so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► didn't get the the Android like intense or the windows like contract systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► where a napkin say I know how to share photos and who can take a photo or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► know I want to share URL or I can open URL so whenever anyone else has a URL to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► share show my apt something they can send it to you know all things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► we didn't get anything like that as far as we know are changing the tall taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► leveraging system correct ready able to say i'm only use Chrome my default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► browser whatever yet we didn't get that either so those are that's a big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► teacher or a huge category features that we just simply to die but we did get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► substantially improved multitasking that is going to be major for now for all at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► a lot of apps will have worked just fine in the current method of multitasking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► but having those periodic background wake ups and be able to wake up on push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► notifications for all apps not just new stand-up once a day you know that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► now it's for all apps and you can set that the polling intervals and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► pull when the phones woken up when the person checks the time I would ever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► that's really cool and that's going to make things like you know news apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► Twitter apps and you know so many things it's going to make just awesome it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► make your phone feel faster exactly is when you launch an app the stuff already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► load the new updates like hopefully they'll be there and presumably I I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► Apple has done that also with their own apps with things like iCloud updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► like I've always hated how you know like you launch your lunch counter whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► and all your stuff like pops in a few seconds later if you're lucky a bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► yeah because it wasn't even though you edit these things three hours ago on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► never never had a chance to run exactly and even Apple stuff was bad about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► before so maybe I hope you've taken this opportunity to do to fix their own stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► in that way to me it looks like this is a pretty solid feature update you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► they have a lot of a lot of text and font improvements to i mean it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► like a pretty great update 44 API's and for developers what I liked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► multitasking stuff is that when we couldn't talk about the particulars even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► if we knew them but we don't know them anyhow but it seemed like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► things I was really worried about was if they took the Android approach every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► option installed a man that can live and run forever and obviously that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► Apple style but we weren't entirely sure if they were going to just be marginally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► less restrictive and there's an argument that's what they did but it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► less restrictive enough that it should make a really notable positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► difference and yet also restrictive enough that I don't think our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► batteries will last half as long because things start downloading the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► keep the key feature is at the you don't use eventually fade away and that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► thing that kills you stupid phone if you have a free for all and you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► some stupid app and you forget about it and then you understand why your battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► is dying you blame it on the app download it today but really was the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► you downloaded three days ago the keeps running in the background during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► something like the those apps will just no longer be given a chance to run in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► the background by iOS is it will say look the guy doesn't user does not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► you you never get a chance to run the background I wonder if you push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► notifications I would be interested but like around trying to think of if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► are malicious and annoying thing you told your address something could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► make an appt the conspiracies push notifications economy wakes up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► drains the battery that can get back like the OS 10 Mavericks feature where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► you've got a you know where you can read applications Muhammad energy they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► they're using a stop not brought that I S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► you know your process viewer you find like your Android has like here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► use your battery power but I feel ok about it maybe maybe the prince Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► tsunami maybe it'll be in the shipping version who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► yeah i i think overall this is a solid update and the OS tablet looks pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► good too I'm very happy with the National we didn't get everything we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► wanted but we got a lot of it is not boring boring boring and I mean really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► think that they came out swinging noe said that a few times now but the air in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► the room whether or not I came across the video was that Apple was fired up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► they were angry is the right word but they were they were ready to fight back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► they've been they've been sitting around working on things true quietly and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► they're ready to save the world hey screw you we never left something we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► back we never even mentioned I radio which is like and we got one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► two weeks built on a complete end to her clothes for less money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► yeah built into everything yet that's that looks like between mark when I we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► counted probably five or ten or fifteen different apps or companies that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► some serious thinking to do after I mean it was it was impressive and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► all this is going to make everyone start talking about Apple a lot more than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► have been Apple has lost so much of the attention and interest of the press and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► reviewers and of nerds everywhere also been doing all these crazy things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► Apple's been kind of resting on its laurels apparently to the public but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► they come out with all this crazy new stuff and now they're back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► discussion and and we have a lot of work to do and we have a lot to see and thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► I'm very excited about that it would be great if it was a one-two punch and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► next iPhone was a phone sex with a new physical I'm not predicting that boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► that would perhaps out what if they come out with like a bigger screen version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► this fall I mean they're they're setting up because you know that's usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► big thing these days is like our new iPhone is out this was not in there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► no new iPhone here but they did all this stuff and they didn't even do the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► iPhones like the new iPhone you know we all just so much going to be the five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► form factor but like I imagined you could imagine a device that that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTa7KYM/4141">TS</a>]
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