00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is upgrade episode 591 today's show is brought to you by krcs ecamm fitbod and udacity my name is mike hurley and i am joined by jason snell hi jason hi mike happy thanksgiving week to all who celebrate which it does not include
00:00:29 ◼ ► actually you're gonna do a thanksgiving i am i always celebrate thanksgiving it's a great meal it's a great meal and also you know for me just the modern tradition the idea of being thankful and giving thanks to people and things in my life uh that is something that i like to to practice so for me that makes a lot of thanks for thanksgiving and i will just start by thanking our listeners for being with us every week indeed we've done uh a lot of episodes of this almost 600 and that they have stuck with
00:00:58 ◼ ► with us uh and that new people have come as well like it's really great and thanksgiving is a that's why i like it as a holiday is that it's it's just be grateful for what you have gather your people around you that's what it's all about and uh and it's very nice so and it's an excuse to have another feast day in the in the in the in the late fall early winter so that's kind of fun too get a turkey in there whatever i love it i love it for that but i have a snow talk question for you to start out this week's episode which is unrelated it comes from peter who wants
00:01:28 ◼ ► to know are you interested in getting the lego uss enterprise also do you build lego jason so yes it finally
00:01:37 ◼ ► happened lego came out with this huge uss enterprise set with all the star trek the next generation
00:01:43 ◼ ► crew minifigs um i have a few good friends who love lego i'm gonna call them out now my lego pals james thompson
00:01:56 ◼ ► friend of the show mm-hmm tony cindelar friend of the show they're all friends of the show let's say lego friends of the show and uh of course steven shepanski who is uh
00:02:10 ◼ ► one of the greatest fans of lego of all time and i used to think that was james but then i saw
00:02:15 ◼ ► that steven has constructed an entire uh he's been on the national news with his uh ballpark that he built in his kitchen
00:02:22 ◼ ► i mean his clutcher field social handle is lego police right legopolis which is so he's also the
00:02:30 ◼ ► host of a long-running doctor who podcast and that is a that is a lego and doctor who pun in one
00:02:35 ◼ ► amazing incredible so yeah it's amazing so those are my lego people and this is not you may be thinking
00:02:44 ◼ ► that what i'm going is where i'm going to is i don't uh think of myself as a big lego fan because
00:02:54 ◼ ► i know so many people who by comparison are so such big lego fans that's not true in fact i just have
00:03:01 ◼ ► i mean i built legos with my kids and stuff but no i'm not into it and i i don't need more things in my
00:03:07 ◼ ► life like this so no that's the long answer but shout out to my friends who all of whom are deeply
00:03:13 ◼ ► conflicted about this very expensive but kind of incredible looking lego set and i'll just say
00:03:19 ◼ ► every time a very expensive nerdy lego set comes out the same thing happens which is james and tony
00:03:25 ◼ ► and steven all cringe because it's like the money you can see the money flying out of their pockets when
00:03:31 ◼ ► they do that i always for me you know you do the like pounds per pieces right so it's just like 350
00:03:39 ◼ ► pounds for 3600 pieces i feel that's a pretty good ratio like if i'm going to spend that kind of money
00:03:46 ◼ ► on a on a lego set that's that's what i want that's what i want you know and the value because i i like a
00:03:52 ◼ ► good lego set i'm not like i i am not to the level of these friends of the show but like if something
00:03:57 ◼ ► if a property that i care about makes a good lego set then then i will then i will purchase it
00:04:04 ◼ ► although i currently have like two or three unbuilt lego sets in the studio that i need to get to at
00:04:09 ◼ ► one point one of them is the seinfeld set which i'm very excited to build just haven't built i built
00:04:14 ◼ ► i have some minifigs around i have a we have a kitchen we have a refrigerator magnet that is from
00:04:20 ◼ ► the copenhagen lego store that i got which is fun because you can replace the head uh i think it's
00:04:27 ◼ ► you can replace parts of it so you can have it be somebody else i think it was like a viking or
00:04:31 ◼ ► something when we got it but it can be so it's been a baseball player and it's been all sorts of
00:04:35 ◼ ► things i forget what he what that that guy is right now but he lives on the on that and i have i have some
00:04:40 ◼ ► i have some lego characters around of different kinds um but it's not not uh including and you you and
00:04:49 ◼ ► both have our minifigs that james thompson made of our dnd characters from that dnd game that we played
00:04:55 ◼ ► so that's fun too but i have no sets i have no lego sets there are lots of legos in the house they are in
00:05:00 ◼ ► a bin and they are from my kids and they're still there so james come and get them if you would like
00:05:07 ◼ ► to send in a snow talk question of your own to help us answer open a future episode of the show
00:05:11 ◼ ► just go to upgradefeedback.com where you can do that we're going to start with a combo follow-up
00:05:18 ◼ ► rumor roundup yep to begin rumor round follow up but we're going to talk a little bit we're going to
00:05:26 ◼ ► first i want to set the stage a little bit and then we can talk about it so we're going to talk a little
00:05:29 ◼ ► bit more about tim cook and his potential resignation or retirement i guess uh joe rossino at mac rumors
00:05:36 ◼ ► has given another indication for why tim could assume the board chairman role at apple if he was
00:05:43 ◼ ► to uh retire as ceo so the corporate governance guidelines for apple's board state quote a director
00:05:51 ◼ ► may not stand for re-election after age 75 but need not resign until the end of his or her term
00:05:58 ◼ ► the current chairman arthur d levinson turned 75 this year yes and you may be asking yourself well how
00:06:05 ◼ ► long are these terms is it five years is it four years friends it's one year yeah and i'll read
00:06:10 ◼ ► directly from joe's uh article here there is one potential wrinkle apple typically releases the
00:06:17 ◼ ► proxy materials for a shareholder meeting in mid-january and that filing would need to indicate that cook is
00:06:22 ◼ ► up for election as chairman that would be before apple's next earning report in late january so remember
00:06:28 ◼ ► the report from the ft said that it's unlikely apple would name a new ceo before their earnings call in
00:06:33 ◼ ► late january so the exact timing of all these things is a little bit wonky it's an interesting detail
00:06:38 ◼ ► right of like oh there isn't there is an there is a functional reason that they're going to need a
00:06:44 ◼ ► new board chair in the next year they're going to need a new board chairman well there's another detail
00:06:49 ◼ ► and dan morin pointed this out to me last week and it's in apple's governing docs and and this is
00:06:54 ◼ ► so there's the well what if tim cook retires as ceo and becomes chairman of the board the other
00:07:00 ◼ ► thought is well what if tim cook does not yet retire as ceo but also becomes chairman of the board and
00:07:06 ◼ ► you're thinking is that legal and i would say according to apple's governance documentation quote
00:07:11 ◼ ► the board regularly evaluates whether the roles of chair of the board and ceo should be separate
00:07:17 ◼ ► and if they are to be separate whether the chair of the board should be selected from the non-employee
00:07:22 ◼ ► directors or be an employee of the corporation the board believes these issues should be considered
00:07:27 ◼ ► as part of the board's broader oversight and succession planning process so in the governance
00:07:35 ◼ ► docs it says at let me summarize as a part of the succession planning process we could make the ceo the
00:07:42 ◼ ► chair of the board that's what it says so it's possible that what we're talking about here is not
00:07:47 ◼ ► tim cook steps off as ceo and steps on as board chair but an even more transitional transition
00:07:54 ◼ ► in which in which case tim cook becomes the chairman while ceo yeah and then there's a period where he
00:08:03 ◼ ► steps off as ceo that happens down the road and it's just a matter of how they want to play it
00:08:07 ◼ ► so they have options it's up to the board and tim basically together about how they want to orchestrate
00:08:14 ◼ ► this but then we have some drama coming from mark german in the power on newsletter i will read
00:08:22 ◼ ► directly there's a shootout at the rumor roundup mike a shootout there's some rustlers from the
00:08:29 ◼ ► financial times and they're fixing to rob some cattle down in the corral and the sheriff is on the case
00:08:36 ◼ ► based on everything i've learned in recent weeks i don't believe a departure by the middle of next year
00:08:41 ◼ ► is likely in fact i would be shocked if cook steps down the time frame outlined by the financial
00:08:46 ◼ ► times some people have speculated that the story was a test balloon orchestrated by apple or someone
00:08:52 ◼ ► close to cook to prepare wall street for a change but that isn't the case either i believe the story
00:08:57 ◼ ► was simply false okay so mark german has the best sources i think this is really interesting uh let's just
00:09:05 ◼ ► say i think it's pretty dramatic that mark german is accusing the ft of getting the story wrong
00:09:13 ◼ ► yeah like four people i believe the story was simply false he says about the financial times
00:09:19 ◼ ► and and you know mark german's sources are so good that i think that that's a very serious claim
00:09:24 ◼ ► that needs to be taken seriously by everybody because it's one thing to say that's not what i'm hearing and
00:09:29 ◼ ► it's another thing to say i i think you're wrong however i don't know we don't know but i'm just
00:09:36 ◼ ► gonna i'm gonna do a little reading between the lines here uh first off we you didn't quote the part where
00:09:41 ◼ ► he mentions that they reported the two things and then he says well i'll already reported all those
00:09:47 ◼ ► which is a little catty but it's true yeah i believe they do credit bloomberg having previously
00:09:53 ◼ ► reported that in the ft story but it's true mark german was on this story uh a couple years ago
00:09:59 ◼ ► and certainly has been on it more recently as well so fair enough like he he has led on this story
00:10:05 ◼ ► but if i were to parse this statement here i find it strangely non-committal right like if mark german
00:10:14 ◼ ► knew for a fact right now that what the ft had been told or had heard was wrong i feel like he would
00:10:23 ◼ ► have come out stronger and he would have put it higher up than in the faqs part of his at the end
00:10:29 ◼ ► of his newsletter well technically this was in quote the bench which is a recurring part of the freely
00:10:36 ◼ ► available version of the newsletter it's no i don't think it's free anymore i i think that the whole thing
00:10:42 ◼ ► is not okay because it used to be the faq was only if you paid oh yeah no no no this is my point is
00:10:48 ◼ ► it's irrelevant bloomberg's newsletter strategy is irrelevant the point is it's not the lead it's not
00:10:53 ◼ ► a story on its own he just tucked it in at the end of his newsletter and what he's saying is hedged it is
00:10:59 ◼ ► based on everything i've learned in recent weeks which might predate the ft story i don't believe
00:11:07 ◼ ► a departure is likely he said i would be shocked you know again what he's saying is he's got what
00:11:15 ◼ ► he believes based on recent information and he would be surprised and he's he said it that isn't the one
00:11:22 ◼ ► thing that he says that's very uh strong is that isn't the case that this was a test balloon orchestrated
00:11:28 ◼ ► by apple or someone close to cook to prepare wall street for a change um i believe he says the story
00:11:36 ◼ ► was simply false now we can read this right take it on its face which is um mark german sources say
00:11:42 ◼ ► that this isn't right that the ft reporting isn't right i could also view this as being a really soft
00:11:49 ◼ ► response like the equivalent of him going that's not what i heard which is not the same as ivory
00:11:57 ◼ ► reported this and they're wrong it's i reported something they've reported something different but
00:12:02 ◼ ► you know i i had what i reported which had a totally different time frame and they said nothing was imminent
00:12:07 ◼ ► and we're all left to kind of guess what's going on here it's possible that the ft has misread it
00:12:13 ◼ ► but i want to just say despite mark's protests here it's also possible that people at a higher level
00:12:20 ◼ ► who are in a position to make decisions like this when this decision was made and they decided that like
00:12:27 ◼ ► people on the board and they decided to leak it to the ft that mark's sources weren't at that level
00:12:33 ◼ ► and were previous to that decision um because what he what i don't read in this is i have i have now
00:12:41 ◼ ► checked and this is wrong this is more like i previously reported something different so i don't
00:12:46 ◼ ► think this is true which it's just not the same thing because he does say like unless something
00:12:53 ◼ ► significant has changed it's like it's like a phrasing that he uses um so i'm gonna get that quote
00:13:00 ◼ ► significant things change right so he's like unless there is some unexpected event that forces cook to
00:13:06 ◼ ► step down sooner than planned that moment is not at hand and it's like i think what he is what he is
00:13:12 ◼ ► like referencing here is health and i don't think it's that right like no i don't think so it's as
00:13:18 ◼ ► planned though here's here's the other part of this and this is a part that i found fun because the ft is
00:13:22 ◼ ► using a bloomberg ism or a mark germanism but it's a bloomberg ism it is that classic no earlier than
00:13:36 ◼ ► you know what's no earlier than the end of january the end of time like literally and also like
00:13:43 ◼ ► even if you just consider the year december which is a really long way away from january like even if
00:13:48 ◼ ► we're still talking about 26 even if it's 26 so what what i want to do here is say i think mark german
00:13:55 ◼ ► has good sources but i think i'm prepared for the possibility that the ft has better sources on this
00:14:01 ◼ ► one on this specific report otherwise why are they just repeating mark german's reporting right like so
00:14:08 ◼ ► so i i'm skeptical of that mark pushes back but doesn't push back as hard as i really would expect if
00:14:15 ◼ ► he had gotten a direct refutation from his sources this feels more like either he didn't check with
00:14:21 ◼ ► his sources again or they couldn't tell him whether this was a new thing or not but that they had heard
00:14:27 ◼ ► contrary things which is fair yeah but it's an interesting example of this and then again i just
00:14:35 ◼ ► feel like so much of this could be in the muddy middle that that it's the forgive me for going back to
00:14:39 ◼ ► the parable of the blind men and the elephant but it's like no later than january and later in 2026
00:14:46 ◼ ► are the same thing right like if mark german is hurting is hearing look it's not happening
00:14:52 ◼ ► by the middle of next year and the ft is like we got a you know a board member who told us that this is
00:14:59 ◼ ► going to happen in 26 but it's definitely not going to happen imminently in january and they reported it
00:15:05 ◼ ► carefully and differently it doesn't mean that tim cook isn't going to be named chairman sometime in
00:15:11 ◼ ► the first half of 26 and resign to ceo sometime in the second half of 26 both of them would be right
00:15:17 ◼ ► in that case so i from a journalism standpoint i'm fascinated by it because i after that ft story came
00:15:24 ◼ ► out i kept waiting for mark german to weigh in and be like here's what's really going on and the fact that
00:15:29 ◼ ► it didn't happen really until his newsletter and it's this sort of like it's not it's not a post on
00:15:34 ◼ ► the on the bloomberg website is it you know like in that way it's not one of it's really like that's
00:15:40 ◼ ► not what i heard i don't think this is true yeah um and then and then i will say the strongest thing
00:15:46 ◼ ► he says is i believe the story was simply false but like that is that is quite an allegation to make
00:15:51 ◼ ► um based on belief or whatever your sources are and what and what is the belief because all we
00:15:58 ◼ ► really have here is in recent weeks which the ft story was more recent than recent weeks wasn't it so
00:16:04 ◼ ► i don't know i mean i i hate it when mommy and daddy fight but um and german's got good sources but i do
00:16:12 ◼ ► wonder if if part of this is just german's kind of mad because they repeated his his very good early
00:16:19 ◼ ► reporting on this and then added this element that one ups him and that he doesn't have that
00:16:25 ◼ ► and his sources are contrary to that but it feels to me like he kind of doesn't know and his sources
00:16:30 ◼ ► kind of don't know that they believe that it's not true but it's possible that the that it's above the
00:16:36 ◼ ► pay grade of mark's sources it's possible i don't know maybe i just like the mess um and and and the
00:16:43 ◼ ► but i i do believe that mark german's situation is true according to him right that like his his
00:16:53 ◼ ► version of the facts are this but i also believe well where did this financial times report come from
00:17:01 ◼ ► i believe that it's also accurate yeah here here's a journalism thing that i'm going to throw in here
00:17:07 ◼ ► which is mark says i'll be shocked if cook steps down in the time frame outlined by the ft but as i
00:17:12 ◼ ► recall the ft story sort of says um it could be as early as the end of january but no no earlier than
00:17:19 ◼ ► that and like again it's possible that the ft is not really outlining a time frame there that what
00:17:29 ◼ ► they got was an assurance that it's going to happen after results but they don't know exactly when and
00:17:35 ◼ ► that is that a time frame and i think that it's possible that the ft in a desire to have this story
00:17:42 ◼ ► that is otherwise just repeating things already reported by bloomberg has puffed up their story a
00:17:48 ◼ ► little bit and and the ft story is a little like this right where they want you to think it's more
00:17:54 ◼ ► imminent than maybe it is if it like there is an attitude in that story of imminence that is not
00:18:01 ◼ ► supported by what they actually say right like they breathlessly report it could be as soon as late
00:18:07 ◼ ► january but they don't actually say it will be as soon as late january that it's like no earlier than
00:18:14 ◼ ► that construction that makes you think it's going to be january but it could be december
00:18:18 ◼ ► uh so i think that that might be what is partially going on here is that the ft has tried to like
00:18:25 ◼ ► lift it up and make it like more juicy with the facts that they've got but to like to to make it
00:18:32 ◼ ► seem breathlessly reporting this to get noticed which they did and that german is like whoa now
00:18:38 ◼ ► this is the sheriff is in town now hold your horses it it it's gonna happen but like it it's not imminent
00:18:48 ◼ ► and and i think if i had to put my money down on something it would be that is that the ft
00:18:53 ◼ ► got really excited and said it could happen soon and mark german sort of rides in on old paint and says
00:19:02 ◼ ► whoa now it'll happen in its own time later this year maybe and i that i think that's probably the
00:19:08 ◼ ► most likely scenario is that is that the ft time frame implies that it's happening faster than than
00:19:14 ◼ ► mark german sources suggest that it actually is unless again unless something changed also the whole chair
00:19:20 ◼ ► and ceo uh thing is part of this right like it's also entirely possible that there's a misread going on
00:19:28 ◼ ► about tim becoming the chairman versus tim resigning as ceo which as we've seen in the bylaws he could be
00:19:35 ◼ ► both for a while and i think that that did did was job did jobs ever do that was he both
00:19:43 ◼ ► no um he he in in you know august right before he died um he resigned as ceo i'm conflating that with
00:19:58 ◼ ► i think that was the intent is i think that they didn't i i believe that even though jobs was very
00:20:04 ◼ ► sick um based on people's comments about what happened the intent was that he would continue
00:20:10 ◼ ► fighting his cancer and be as involved as he could be on the board but that apple really needed a full-time
00:20:16 ◼ ► ceo and that was going to be tim and then as it turns out steve didn't make it but um but this i mean
00:20:23 ◼ ► that's why i keep coming back to why i find this so fascinating is in some ways this is the this is the first
00:20:28 ◼ ► instance where apple has been able to plan a transition because steve jobs transition was
00:20:33 ◼ ► i mean he was sick for a long time but like it was forced by his health in a way that this is different
00:20:44 ◼ ► proper succession planning in a way that apple really basically never has had to do it before
00:20:53 ◼ ► if there's one person that knows that this company needs proper succession planning it's tim cook
00:20:58 ◼ ► because i guarantee when he took that role was like oh boy i wish we planned better for this because
00:21:04 ◼ ► that was a lot a lot put on him yeah and he was he was acting for a while i mean he he was more
00:21:10 ◼ ► prepared than anybody usually is because he was acting ceo a couple of times which is which is a big deal
00:21:16 ◼ ► but it's not the same and then i'm sure he also wanted steve's uh advice and he didn't get it and
00:21:22 ◼ ► guidance and he didn't yeah and it wasn't there anymore and also apple is just unfathomably bigger now
00:21:29 ◼ ► and this is just a gut feeling thing as an observer i don't know anything about this i've i've never met
00:21:34 ◼ ► tim cook i've been near him but never met him uh mike's met him uh mike knows we didn't talk about this though
00:21:40 ◼ ► no uh i i would say i think part of this especially if you think about the chair thing is tim cook has a
00:21:48 ◼ ► timeline that of when he's going to leave apple and my guess is that it's probably maybe even 10 years
00:21:54 ◼ ► out but like you start the transition because i think my guess is tim cook would like to be in an
00:22:02 ◼ ► advisory role for some period of time but if you hold on to being ceo for 10 years you know now you're 75
00:22:09 ◼ ► and you're still supposed to go to the board meetings and talk to the ceo for another five
00:22:13 ◼ ► or 10 years i don't think he wants that i don't think his time timeline is that wide and so to have
00:22:18 ◼ ► a position where he could maybe even be on the board for 10 years and and and until he hits the mandatory
00:22:24 ◼ ► retirement age and be as as you know needed by the new ceo at the beginning as needed as need be and
00:22:32 ◼ ► then sort of fade back into the background and let the ceo do his thing is uh that's my my gut reaction
00:22:40 ◼ ► is that it's something like that that that that this is all about the clock starting on how long tim wants
00:22:47 ◼ ► to continue to give to apple this episode is brought to you by our friends at krcs one of the oldest apple
00:22:55 ◼ ► premium resellers and your one-stop shop for all things apple in the glorious united kingdom i added
00:23:02 ◼ ► glorious but the krcs is one of my favorite sponsors because they are a british sponsor and it makes me so
00:23:09 ◼ ► happy their month of savings is well on the way right now at krcs you can build the mac of your dreams in
00:23:15 ◼ ► black friday event and save 10 you could shop the new macbook pro 14 inch with an m5 chip from just
00:23:23 ◼ ► 1439 pounds saving you 160 pounds you can make your mac truly yours and have the exact specification that
00:23:31 ◼ ► you want or take your pick from their in-stock models and save 10 until midday on the 5th of
00:23:37 ◼ ► december you could even spread the cost of affordable monthly payments with free next working day delivery
00:23:43 ◼ ► on in-stock items ordered before 3 p.m there's never been a better time to get a mac krcs your local apple
00:23:51 ◼ ► experts get more information right now at krcs.co.uk slash relay or click the link in the show notes
00:23:58 ◼ ► there's representative 9.9 apr of 18 plus subject to approval and t's and c's apply this is if you're
00:24:06 ◼ ► interested in any of their financing options please spend responsibly borrowing beyond your means could
00:24:13 ◼ ► seriously affect your financial status ensure you can afford to make your repayments on time by the
00:24:18 ◼ ► due date krcs or a broker not a lender head over to krcs.co.uk slash relay now that is krcs.co.uk
00:24:25 ◼ ► slash relay our thanks to krcs for their support of this show and all of relay let's do the actual
00:24:33 ◼ ► follow-up now okay because we really got got stuck in that one for a while yeah it's fun uh f1 owner
00:24:41 ◼ ► liberty media's ceo derek chang has given a couple of interesting quotes in an interview with cnbc about
00:24:48 ◼ ► their relationship with apple i want to read these quotes for you i think apple with what they can do from
00:24:54 ◼ ► a technology standpoint will really enhance the product and therefore the content and i think apple will
00:24:59 ◼ ► be very active with global streaming rights we're in discussions with them on a multiple set of fronts
00:25:04 ◼ ► it's still very early and i think we view it as a very strong partnership that we could see it happening
00:25:09 ◼ ► in other places oh look at that yeah i mean nobody should be surprised by this it would be very easy
00:25:16 ◼ ► for apple to drop in other regions to their deal with f1 yes this to me feels like one of those things
00:25:22 ◼ ► that like someone said and uh i don't know if they should have said it you know there's a lot of
00:25:30 ◼ ► partners maybe we'll see maybe yeah partners partners don't always say what apple wants them to say but i
00:25:35 ◼ ► think this is oh i i don't think this is a problem for apple i think this is more of a problem for the
00:25:39 ◼ ► for for the partners oh i think it's exactly what you want to say in order to get the bidding
00:25:45 ◼ ► that's true that's true this is how you make more money like get ready to pay more money than apple
00:25:51 ◼ ► for something canada you know whatever or whoever yeah yeah australia watch out watch out australia
00:25:57 ◼ ► apple's coming to eat your f1 yeah i i mean i if it goes badly then you know maybe but i think that um
00:26:06 ◼ ► f1 is obviously in that giddy moment now where they're like oh apple's going to do all their magic
00:26:09 ◼ ► technology and bestow it upon us which you know we'll see um we'll see but um it's not bad having
00:26:16 ◼ ► apple as a partner i would think and it it burnishes your brand because it's such a powerful global brand
00:26:22 ◼ ► and i think it's very obvious that apple is it can drop they're not that they're not going to stop at
00:26:28 ◼ ► the u.s very obvious brian has written in and says for this week's lather up segment i wanted to share
00:26:35 ◼ ► the soundbar sb 510 my favorite shower speaker it's round and has a suction cup on the back so
00:26:43 ◼ ► that it can be very easily mounted at head height in any shower like mike talked about last week its
00:26:48 ◼ ► battery lasts weeks at a time all right so i had one of these at marco's recommendation i think way back
00:26:56 ◼ ► when long time ago i wonder if i wonder how brian this is friend of the show brian uh who wrote this
00:27:03 ◼ ► in um i wonder if brian heard about us talk about this speaker on this show because i also had one
00:27:10 ◼ ► and that is when brian bought it and is now recommending it back to us that would be fun uh nice so so when
00:27:17 ◼ ► mine so i replaced mine with this uh with the one that the the the soundbot or no what is what is the one
00:27:24 ◼ ► that i had it's in last week's show go look it up yeah um it's there but uh it's the i can't remember
00:27:31 ◼ ► anyway i replaced it and a few reasons one is the suction cup thing like the suction cup works great
00:27:38 ◼ ► until it doesn't and then your thing your speaker drops from head height to the hard surface of your
00:27:44 ◼ ► shower this will be important in a minute when we get to the next bit of feedback um my trust level of the
00:27:51 ◼ ► of of of the suction cup is not super high um and my soundbot had dings in it had little plastic
00:28:00 ◼ ► chips taken out at places also you know i i don't think i liked and i i'm certain my wife didn't really
00:28:16 ◼ ► i just it i never felt comfortable i much prefer this speaker that sits on a little shelf basically
00:28:24 ◼ ► at the window where there's room for it and there's nothing else that would go there and it's got a little
00:28:29 ◼ ► rope around the crank of the window so if it falls it will be saved um that said i mean if depending on the
00:28:37 ◼ ► ergonomics of your shower have it and you're feeling about suction cup uh standards uh if you can get
00:28:44 ◼ ► this permanently placed somewhere and you only have to take it out you know after every every month or
00:28:49 ◼ ► something to recharge it uh go for it they do make and integrate and the idea is the speaker's on the
00:28:54 ◼ ► bottom so it fires off of your tile or you know shower enclosure or whatever it is uh and and fires back to
00:29:02 ◼ ► you which is very effective so um i took mine when i replaced it i took mine to phoenix and had it at my
00:29:10 ◼ ► mom's place um and then it died so r.i.p uh the a a sound bot speaker of some description because the
00:29:21 ◼ ► link is now dead because that's how amazon works was nominated in the 2016 upgrade ease in the most life
00:29:28 ◼ ► life-changing hardware category which i don't think we continued i don't think we did so the
00:29:36 ◼ ► one that i use now is the tri-bit x sound go which is uh which is kind of longer and uh yes no no but
00:29:45 ◼ ► again i think it's about ergonomics that one was a perfect fit for me because there was a perfect
00:29:50 ◼ ► space for for me to put it at head height basically in my shower your mileage may vary so they're they're
00:29:57 ◼ ► all waterproof and all that like i mean the the one that i use it's got that it's got the rope on it
00:30:02 ◼ ► it's got the string on it and so i can hang it anywhere in any shower and if it gets wet it doesn't matter
00:30:07 ◼ ► because it's waterproof it's like all their amazon ads are like i'm having fun with a speaker in the
00:30:20 ◼ ► this has just reminded me uh about something for the upgrade ease uh we're gonna in upgrade plus
00:30:28 ◼ ► today we're gonna talk a little bit about production for the upgrade ease because it's coming yeah
00:30:32 ◼ ► upgrade is meeting looking at that list reminded me of how every year people want links for all the
00:30:39 ◼ ► nominees so i've just made myself a task to remember to do that uh later on this year because people
00:30:45 ◼ ► always want it they always want it not just the winners yeah yeah that's a big thing that's like when we
00:30:49 ◼ ► do incomparable book club episodes and there's like i got a link to 40 different books yep
00:30:53 ◼ ► understandable but yeah i've made a task so i will start doing the pre-work for that long before
00:30:59 ◼ ► and then hopefully it'll make it that's what ai should be for is that kind of thing yeah i actually
00:31:04 ◼ ► yeah um maybe and jordan writes in and says regarding your continued discussion about shower speakers
00:31:11 ◼ ► i wanted to share a solution i've been using for a year now i use a mag safe suction cup for phone
00:31:17 ◼ ► holders in cars attached to glass in the shower they're surprisingly stable and it allows me to
00:31:24 ◼ ► help it allows me to keep the phone high and dry the phone speaker is close enough to my head to be
00:31:29 ◼ ► audible i don't have to worry about getting it wet it's easy to travel with it can stick to most glass
00:31:35 ◼ ► and tile jordan you are a person after my own heart this is genius genius that's what i'll say i don't think
00:31:45 ◼ ► jason will agree but i want you to know jordan i think you're a genius jordan you're a maniac who's
00:31:50 ◼ ► taking their life and their phone's life into their own hands good luck with that and i do not
00:31:56 ◼ ► endorse this that's what i love about it that like it's not just if the phone was to fall what if the
00:32:01 ◼ ► whole thing falls and now it's all flying towards the ground oh there's so many points of failure to
00:32:06 ◼ ► drop your phone from a great height onto presumably in a shower surely a very very hard suction cup
00:32:12 ◼ ► technology at this point you know that is no problem i don't trust it have a little bit of follow out as
00:32:20 ◼ ► well uh i would like to point people towards widget smith dot app slash jobs because we are hiring at
00:32:28 ◼ ► widget smith right now here across forward we're looking for a designer um we are looking for someone
00:32:34 ◼ ► to come in and help us with a vast variety of design work i would say i think the most exciting part of
00:32:43 ◼ ► this work from my perspective is to help design and redesign some widget layouts which i think is would
00:32:52 ◼ ► be super cool but loads of things wallpapers general ui stuff even for our other apps um aesthetics and
00:33:01 ◼ ► themes helping us with fonts imagery like this is a this is a wide ranging job um i think this is suitable
00:33:08 ◼ ► for people of all experience types um i want people to go check it out widget smith dot app slash jobs
00:33:16 ◼ ► there'll be a link in the show notes too uh if you are a designer uh i think this is worth your time
00:33:23 ◼ ► to take a look at um this i think this is very exciting you're you're if this is i think i think
00:33:28 ◼ ► this is cool but you know your your your work would be seen by millions and millions of people
00:33:33 ◼ ► uh and i think that that is a quite unique opportunity for such a small and growing team so go check it out
00:33:40 ◼ ► also jason put together a little video that is on our youtube channel that is worth watching so if
00:33:49 ◼ ► you were subscribed to upgrade plus we did a we did a rare pre-show in the last episode because
00:33:55 ◼ ► something completely unrelated to the show happened before where me and you got a bit silly and had a
00:34:01 ◼ ► very fun time and we just so happen to have video of it includes a spit take um so i'm going to put a
00:34:06 ◼ ► link to that in the show notes too so you can go and watch the video version of this little thing so
00:34:10 ◼ ► available to everyone uh because i think it's very fun and worth seeing but you would have heard it
00:34:16 ◼ ► if you were a member and right now jason have we got a deal for you you know man do we ever we can get
00:34:25 ◼ ► you can get 20 off a your first year of upgrade plus it's very easy to do this go to get upgrade plus
00:34:32 ◼ ► dot com and use the code 2025 holidays at checkout that will get you one whole year of upgrade plus
00:34:39 ◼ ► which is 56 that will get you longer ad free episodes you're looking at about a dollar an
00:34:45 ◼ ► episode and you'll get no ads more content and you'll support us if you're hearing me say this and
00:34:51 ◼ ► think a dollar doesn't sound like very much to give to my favorite tech podcast once a week i will agree
00:34:57 ◼ ► with you so why don't you consider becoming a member you support the show which is so helpful like
00:35:04 ◼ ► again we spoke about this before but if you listen to this show and you hear the ads you will know
00:35:09 ◼ ► that over the last few months this show has been doing great with ads and like for the rest of
00:35:13 ◼ ► the year we are well booked out and we're very lucky to be so but you never know also i would say i
00:35:20 ◼ ► would say other times that has not been the case yes and also we've had those you know those ad free
00:35:25 ◼ ► episodes there's been one ad episodes yep it's absolutely happened and and also we're we're like this is the
00:35:32 ◼ ► worst time of the year for advertising going into the beginning of the next year like people are working
00:35:37 ◼ ► up budgets it's a very unsettling time so it is very heartening to us as content creators to know
00:35:44 ◼ ► that we have direct support from the people who care about this product the most like it takes us a lot
00:35:50 ◼ ► of work to put this show together and to make it as good as we think it is and if you agree with us on
00:35:55 ◼ ► you really enjoy this show every week why don't you take advantage of this deal go to getupgradeplus.com
00:36:02 ◼ ► use the code 2025 holidays at checkout and you'll get one year of upgrade plus at just 56 dollars
00:36:09 ◼ ► if you're the kind of person who around the holiday season it's like ah people always ask me what do they
00:36:15 ◼ ► want to like what to buy me and i never know what to tell them just give them this url give relay.com
00:36:21 ◼ ► it's got everything they need there to understand how to give it as a gift as well when you can also give
00:36:25 ◼ ► it as a gift to other people and i already mentioned it but on upgrade plus today we're going to have
00:36:30 ◼ ► our annual planning meeting for the upgradies where we take a look at the categories talk about it settle
00:36:36 ◼ ► some stuff and get ready for the most wonderful episode of the year and if you're not aware there's
00:36:42 ◼ ► always a post show segment that we do so there's more more upgrade um every week we try very hard
00:36:51 ◼ ► to have that sometimes it's very fun in fact so we do a lot of weird stuff fun stuff content stuff it's
00:36:56 ◼ ► like usually like an extra 15 minutes it's like a whole extra segment every single week that we do
00:37:06 ◼ ► last week jason google announced that they have found a way to allow for airdrop between pixel
00:37:14 ◼ ► phones and iphones in both directions this also works with ipad and the mac when i originally saw
00:37:22 ◼ ► this i was like oh this is like find my right where google and apple work together and they created
00:37:29 ◼ ► a way for do interoperability because pixel has their own thing called pixel drop i think it's
00:37:36 ◼ ► called or pixel share or quick share there is a there is a thing on android and i also think there's a
00:37:41 ◼ ► thing on pixels which is essentially airdrop right like they have it it's called quick share sorry it's
00:37:45 ◼ ► called quick share and that is like the way that they do their own airdrop and the works of android
00:37:50 ◼ ► phones apple was not at all involved in this and google have said so and published tons of information
00:37:59 ◼ ► on their blog and on this security blog to show that what they are doing is secure and they even hired
00:38:06 ◼ ► a third-party security firm to audit what they're doing to confirm that they are not lowering security
00:38:14 ◼ ► they're not doing back doors and they have just reverse engineered airdrop fascinating thing to
00:38:21 ◼ ► happen and that google are just like hey everyone look what we did and then they've just done it
00:38:27 ◼ ► it's only available on the pixel 10 right now but that's just for right now they're going to start
00:38:31 ◼ ► rolling it out what was your initial kind of feeling about this news when you saw it i mean i think it's
00:38:39 ◼ ► great for people who are living in uh heterogeneous environments and i mean my thought is basically
00:38:49 ◼ ► is apple not involved at all did apple give kind of a surreptitious nod or did apple say no or did they
00:38:58 ◼ ► not talk to apple at all and they still did this and then my second thought was do we live in an era
00:39:14 ◼ ► creating greater scrutiny yeah right like which which if i had to guess my guess would be that
00:39:22 ◼ ► that's what google is planning here is google is basically saying do you really want to stop this
00:39:28 ◼ ► and i think the answer is probably no and i also wonder right so like now they're in this scenario of
00:39:35 ◼ ► do they now need to consider this like that they can't make a change that would break it
00:39:42 ◼ ► because it would then look like they've meant to break it yeah well that's that's the that's
00:39:48 ◼ ► actually going to be i think one of the arguments against this is that that has a third party come in
00:39:53 ◼ ► and done an implementation that apple now needs to test against and they'd be like this is the whole
00:39:58 ◼ ► point this is our whole point this is our whole point is that now we have somebody else who is
00:40:05 ◼ ► implementing it in a way that is not documented and uh if we do a change for good reasons to airdrop
00:40:14 ◼ ► on our end and it breaks this what is our responsibility because we didn't build it we didn't tell them to build
00:40:21 ◼ ► it i don't know i i it it'll be interesting to see how this plays out um it would be nice if apple and
00:40:30 ◼ ► google agreed that there is a secure framework for device to device transfer going forward that satisfies
00:40:38 ◼ ► all uh all groups and that apple you know the thing apple does do its its developer releases in public
00:40:47 ◼ ► um so even if it was just that but especially if they're also communicating behind the scenes with
00:40:52 ◼ ► google about what apple is planning with airdrop so that they basically said you know you're on notice
00:40:57 ◼ ► we're making this change you need to you know be here on this date that you know would they would
00:41:02 ◼ ► they support that um it's messy it's messy it's really messy so like david in the discord is like
00:41:09 ◼ ► i doubt apple will care if they happen to break it apple in yes i understand your point but the problem is
00:41:16 ◼ ► they are under so much scrutiny for antitrust now that like making some kind of like a monopoly i should
00:41:23 ◼ ► say it's probably a better way to say it now that this is in place anything that they do is going to
00:41:29 ◼ ► make it look like they are trying to to make it harder to leave their ward garden now that this
00:41:36 ◼ ► exists right and if everybody who is in favor of um making it you know making apple uh forcing apple
00:41:44 ◼ ► to change their policies will use this as a battering ram yeah that which is like why is such a simple
00:41:50 ◼ ► thing as transferring files between devices not based on an open standard or available this or an
00:41:59 ◼ ► available that and there are reasons but again it just kind of comes back up so i don't know i mean
00:42:04 ◼ ► like i think do i think that if google and apple are satisfied that this is secure do i think that
00:42:13 ◼ ► this is okay i do i think that this is good for users if it's secure i appreciate that google actually
00:42:20 ◼ ► went to the steps of saying look we're not hacking anything here everything is secure um apple will
00:42:26 ◼ ► probably be the judge of that but um but if it were all to be fine and secure and not allowing
00:42:34 ◼ ► nefarious people to uh push things onto your device i i feel like apple has has locked down airdrop so
00:42:44 ◼ ► off i mean even the google video about it you've got to go to airdrop and turn it on to everyone
00:42:50 ◼ ► and that by default time limits now right which is the thing they didn't use exactly right so so you
00:42:55 ◼ ► you you turn it you you basically open the door it comes in and then the door closes yeah so it's it's
00:43:02 ◼ ► a you there's user user input happening as part of this process yeah yeah it's a fascinating thing for
00:43:09 ◼ ► google to just do it's it's super interesting to wonder if they bothered to not bother but like if
00:43:15 ◼ ► they told apple they were going to do it beforehand especially considering that the company seems the
00:43:19 ◼ ► company seemed to work together better than they have in a long time it's like this interesting
00:43:23 ◼ ► thing like oh by the way we also did this well i think i think there's a non-zero chance that this
00:43:31 ◼ ► is i'm not saying this happened but i think there's a non-zero chance that they actually got like a
00:43:36 ◼ ► surreptitious nod from apple or just like we're not going to cause you trouble if you do we're not
00:43:42 ◼ ► going to participate in this but we're satisfied with your security results fine we're not we're just
00:43:48 ◼ ► not going to talk about it i i that is where i lean to where it's possible we're we're not going to
00:43:53 ◼ ► create a system with you but we're not going to kick up a fuss if you do this and if you right if you
00:43:59 ◼ ► agree that you're just on the hook from managing this and you won't cause a fuss if something we do
00:44:05 ◼ ► breaks it it's then on you to fix it like watch our developer betas and make sure that you stay
00:44:12 ◼ ► compatible yeah also i i'm fascinated by how this is on a phone right yeah like you can do this on the
00:44:21 ◼ ► pixel 10 and again i know android is just such a mess of different phones and everything but like
00:44:27 ◼ ► what a what a great example i mean it's not just that they're holding it for their one device but also
00:44:35 ◼ ► so so some android phones will be able to do this but others won't because of whatever reason software
00:44:42 ◼ ► hardware whatever it is i don't know what a weird thing right it it calls it brings into relief what
00:44:49 ◼ ► it what the value some of the often invisible values of being in the apple ecosystem are which is like
00:44:55 ◼ ► if you've got an iphone it does airdrop yeah right yeah and i know apple invented it but the point is
00:45:01 ◼ ► there are a bunch of these features that google the platform owner for android brings out and it's
00:45:06 ◼ ► like this just works on our phone yeah or it'll roll out to some selected phones later and it's
00:45:10 ◼ ► like well what about other phones well it might not go to them how fractured that whole it's like
00:45:15 ◼ ► world it will probably go to all pixels and then maybe they'll say samsung would you like this and
00:45:21 ◼ ► then samsung would make their own decision right like it's like such a weird samsung drop instead
00:45:27 ◼ ► it just is a reminder i was thinking about this um there was that story about i'll see if i can find
00:45:34 ◼ ► it but it was uh it was windows pcs uh dropping support for hdcp in web browsers yeah and it was i think
00:45:43 ◼ ► you sent it to me i think it was dell and uh hp hp yeah and i just had a moment where i thought
00:45:53 ◼ ► again this is the kind of invisible like we complain about a lot of stuff about apple but
00:46:01 ◼ ► the idea that your browser would just stop being able to play some kind of content because
00:46:13 ◼ ► yeah so i just i mean again lots of issues with apple but sometimes the actions of apple's
00:46:21 ◼ ► competitors remind you remind me that apple has some standards that seem invisible like of course
00:46:31 ◼ ► all iphones do this going back a long way and then google comes out with a essentially an android
00:46:39 ◼ ► feature that only works on one phone and i think that that that is there's no reason for it to only
00:46:46 ◼ ► work on one it's airdrop it's wi-fi direct and bluetooth and like and yet here we are so just a
00:46:53 ◼ ► reminder there are there are some things that i think we all take for granted about apple's standards
00:46:59 ◼ ► that apple has below which they will not go to which they will you know they will not stoop to do
00:47:04 ◼ ► something quite like this even though they stoop sometimes they do some things that are annoying
00:47:08 ◼ ► all true i'm just saying every now and then i'm reminded of all the things they don't do
00:47:13 ◼ ► this episode is brought to you by ecamm if you're a mac user who creates video or podcasts you need ecamm
00:47:21 ◼ ► ecamm live is the all-in-one studio built exclusively for mac so it looks feels and performs like a native
00:47:30 ◼ ► pro app should whether you're live streaming recording a podcast or producing training videos
00:47:35 ◼ ► ecamm gives you broadcast level control with drag and drop simplicity you can switch cameras share your
00:47:42 ◼ ► screen cue overlays and control audio all without ever leaving your mac with ecamm you can brand your show
00:47:48 ◼ ► titles graphics and lower thirds you can also pull in guests via interview mode or record multi-track
00:47:54 ◼ ► audio for perfect post-production and if you're into automation ecamm works beautifully with tools
00:48:00 ◼ ► and apps like stream deck and loopback as well as many mac tools you already know and love that is an
00:48:06 ◼ ► example of it being like an actual mac app and like the apps that they call out like loopback like oh
00:48:11 ◼ ► yeah you know you know you get it you can upgrade to pro and unlock ecamm for zoom letting you feed
00:48:18 ◼ ► your polished setup straight into zoom meetings or webinars share zoom comments on screen and even
00:48:23 ◼ ► capture each participant's audio and video separately for easy post-production work i know jason you've really
00:48:29 ◼ ► found a lot of use out of the zoom integration yeah we use it for um for incomparable for total
00:48:36 ◼ ► party kill i use it for the zoom uh stuff because we always use zoom and it used to be we were like
00:48:41 ◼ ► doing a screen capture of the zoom window and carving it up and now you can with a zoom integration you can
00:48:46 ◼ ► assign each person to a different camera or a different virtual camera and put them in windows and you can
00:48:50 ◼ ► build a layout and then uh that layout goes from session to session and they you know automatically pop
00:48:56 ◼ ► in and if they change their name or not logged in or whatever you would just assign them and they
00:49:00 ◼ ► automatically populate all the different layouts uh it's so much easier to do the setup um and then
00:49:06 ◼ ► we also generally use that for the six colors live stuff we do as well because it's just easier to
00:49:11 ◼ ► have the native uh zoom integrations so i'm doing that already right now new customers get ecamm's best
00:49:18 ◼ ► offer of the year with 40 percent off annual plans in their black friday and cyber monday deal
00:49:23 ◼ ► ecamm.com that is 40 percent of annual plans between now and december 2nd at ecamm ecamm.com
00:49:36 ◼ ► considering it is a festive week we decided what more festive than a draft we're gonna do a draft but
00:49:45 ◼ ► we're not doing a draft that you may consider we are doing an apple tv content draft today where we are
00:49:52 ◼ ► going to draft the best list of content and then maybe at the end we'll try and decide who has the
00:49:59 ◼ ► best list um content considering this is an exhibition draft non-sanctioned draft uh yes i figure maybe we
00:50:08 ◼ ► should decide who will go first via a coin flip or something does that work for you uh that's fine
00:50:16 ◼ ► although you can also go first if you no no i have i have one of the original relay challenge coins here
00:50:26 ◼ ► little r so i'm going first okay all right i was gonna let you go first anyway i know so we ended up
00:50:32 ◼ ► getting there but we got there a little bit more drama so the prem the premise here is there's lots
00:50:36 ◼ ► of stuff on apple tv now in fact in the compiling of our list we have 200 plus pieces of of television
00:50:43 ◼ ► content plus there are a bunch of movies it is a lot a lot of content and so as why are we doing this
00:50:51 ◼ ► um one reason is um maybe there's stuff that you haven't watched on apple tv plus maybe you have not
00:50:59 ◼ ► uh or apple tv now it's called um formerly apple tv plus and uh and maybe there's stuff that we're gonna
00:51:07 ◼ ► talk about that you're like oh i haven't read that that i haven't seen that that's interesting
00:51:10 ◼ ► let's go there let's watch that so that's great also just a reminder of like the stuff that's on
00:51:15 ◼ ► there that it's got a big catalog i think it's kind of fun to to point out um all the all the
00:51:21 ◼ ► interesting stuff that's on there so you know we thought it would be fun in on thanksgiving week
00:51:26 ◼ ► to do a little uh to play a little game and also just construct a list of good stuff that we like
00:51:32 ◼ ► on apple tv yep i also feel like here there is like an element of uh picking our favorites too this
00:51:38 ◼ ► is also as you said like just a fun way for us to talk about some of our favorite things on what i think
00:51:44 ◼ ► pound for pound on content is maybe the best um streamer service it's pound for pound it may indeed be
00:51:52 ◼ ► and i'll just say again non-competitive draft the point here we do this on the incomparable a lot
00:51:58 ◼ ► we use the draft format to build a list essentially that's what we're doing is we are building a really
00:52:02 ◼ ► nice list of stuff that's what we're going for here so it's competitive in the in the sense like
00:52:08 ◼ ► you want to take pride in what you selected but there's no like scoring system at the end we're like
00:52:12 ◼ ► aha jason won that one i mean who are we kidding that's not gonna happen but yes let's go
00:52:22 ◼ ► my my round one pick is severance okay see i think this is instructive of like of our rankings here
00:52:30 ◼ ► too very interesting i think severance severance may be the best thing they've made quality wise
00:52:39 ◼ ► i do have an argument for at least one or two more things about like what i think is maybe that may be
00:52:46 ◼ ► higher quality output but there have been two seasons of severance they have both been excellent
00:52:52 ◼ ► and they have driven more conversation i think about apple tv than anything else i think at this
00:52:59 ◼ ► point even more than ted lasso um ted lasso was very big during covid and then i think that was the
00:53:08 ◼ ► absolute peak of cultural relevance for the show and it held on for a long time it has remained
00:53:13 ◼ ► a relevant thing but severance was like a big moment it it felt like the moment like when a new hbo tv
00:53:21 ◼ ► show drops and everyone's talking about this one television show uh the second season of severance
00:53:27 ◼ ► had that feeling to it and and so i think i think at this point severance is maybe their most valuable
00:53:35 ◼ ► homegrown property um maybe maybe maybe that's my first pick i love it it's a great show i i am amazed
00:53:44 ◼ ► that it has captured people's attention because it is it is a bit weird oh very weird but but um but it
00:53:52 ◼ ► became like the show of the moment in season two it's perfect timing and i i think it it's touching
00:53:58 ◼ ► on a lot of classic themes using sci-fi elements but also like it's about work-life balance uh it's about
00:54:05 ◼ ► um it's about you know workers being exploited by cruel overlords like it's timely so um i think that
00:54:14 ◼ ► that is one of the reasons a whole premise around a clever pun you know i mean really seriously is that
00:54:21 ◼ ► the whole thing it might be and that is maybe so you know maybe so good pick i i have to pick ted lasso
00:54:27 ◼ ► wow okay i have to yeah i mean how does how does an apple tv draft go without picking ted lasso yeah
00:54:34 ◼ ► i think it will go down as as a uh one of the classic uh comedies of the streaming era yeah um i love
00:54:42 ◼ ► it's i i mean and there's lots of takes about season two and season three season one i would argue is a
00:54:48 ◼ ► almost perfect season i would love to be the contrarian who says you know everybody talks about season one
00:54:52 ◼ ► is perfect but it's not really it's not at all that and season two and season three like i'm not going to say
00:54:57 ◼ ► i think season one is just about perfect um season two and season three are different but you know you
00:55:02 ◼ ► have to tell a story it's like i mean you can't just replay season one you have to go somewhere and so
00:55:10 ◼ ► they went somewhere in season two and season three were some of those decisions weird yeah some of them
00:55:15 ◼ ► were weird i think they were not entirely prepared to do everything at the level that they like the
00:55:21 ◼ ► christmas episode in the summer like that thing that was weird there were a lot of weird things that went on
00:55:27 ◼ ► but i think uh great writing great cast yeah jason sudeikis really kind of killing it in that
00:55:36 ◼ ► character that began as such a simple joke character for a bunch of ads i think it's been said so much
00:55:43 ◼ ► that it gets tiresome but i have to say a ted lasso is not only the was the breakout show of apple tv when
00:55:51 ◼ ► it started which they did not expect no but is foundational to what they're doing so so much so
00:55:59 ◼ ► that they have moved heaven enough to continue it right like we know that was a big negotiation
00:56:11 ◼ ► the continued star of the show um yeah and so like yeah here's the thing i had ted lasso on my list
00:56:19 ◼ ► obviously it wasn't super high up because i'm kind of like i'm i'm wondering what is its impact
00:56:28 ◼ ► season four like so that here i'm kind of modeling this is like draft craft now i am modeling this draft
00:56:35 ◼ ► similar to how some of the drafts are on the town where you are essentially like one of our favorite
00:56:41 ◼ ► podcasts they do drafts too and a lot of their drafts are competitive and like they are drafting
00:56:47 ◼ ► franchises to be the most successful in the short medium and long term that is kind of how i'm thinking
00:56:54 ◼ ► about my list of like what is the set of franchises that apple tv own and control that could have the
00:57:04 ◼ ► best long-term output for the service right and it's a really great premise that we did not agree
00:57:11 ◼ ► on before the show but that's the point no this is this isn't the competition this is just how i'm
00:57:17 ◼ ► thinking about that's how you're approaching it yeah it makes sense so for me for me i'm really kind
00:57:21 ◼ ► of saying what are the what are the great if i was to make the top five or top 10 list of apple tv
00:57:29 ◼ ► programs in its first era what makes that list i'm really thinking of it down to the ones that i have
00:57:36 ◼ ► seen that i have loved i also have a sprinkling of that in there too because like one of my picks
00:57:41 ◼ ► which will be coming up very shortly it's not my next pick but it would be the one after
00:57:44 ◼ ► is one that i just love so much but it doesn't seem to really be so like successful i'm not i'm not
00:57:51 ◼ ► programming somebody else's streaming service i'm picking the ones that i like yeah which makes
00:57:55 ◼ ► sense which makes sense so my next pick is kind of what i was alluding to a minute ago about like
00:58:01 ◼ ► quality um but there's only been one season and it's the studio ah yes season one of the studio
00:58:08 ◼ ► is like one of my favorite things won all the awards though yeah won all of the awards on all the
00:58:13 ◼ ► awards but it's like will season two be anywhere near as good as season one could it be better like
00:58:20 ◼ ► i don't know right but like the season one of the studio is is just one of the most incredible
00:58:27 ◼ ► things that has been produced on television in a long time just in like just watching it if you just
00:58:34 ◼ ► watch it the quality is excellent it looks good it's funny the story is good but it's not too much
00:58:42 ◼ ► it's got it's got that really good mixture of being kind of like monster of the week and also there is a
00:58:49 ◼ ► long-running narrative throughout the season um you don't have to think about it too much and then
00:58:55 ◼ ► you start to if you pay attention and you see what they are doing technically with the show and if you
00:59:03 ◼ ► know just a little bit about how content is made and you you know like it really i think the second
00:59:09 ◼ ► episode is the wanna where it's all one shot and like when you start when you clue into that where
00:59:17 ◼ ► you're like oh hang on a minute this episode about producing a one shot is actually a one shot then
00:59:24 ◼ ► it's like we're oh i i know what we're getting here it's just incredible seth rogan is a genius
00:59:29 ◼ ► and like even then integrating things like the the podcast i just referenced the town is referencing the
00:59:37 ◼ ► show and matt bellany the host is in the show oh it's brilliant yep it's brilliant brilliant brilliant
00:59:42 ◼ ► brilliant stuff and then you know bringing in all the tv executives and all of the cameos that they get
00:59:48 ◼ ► like oh it's beautiful love it the m the emmy awards agree with you i agree with you it's a great show
00:59:54 ◼ ► yeah um it was not as high on my list yeah but i think it's a great show um and that's great because
01:00:02 ◼ ► i am going to go back to the bill lawrence and brett goldstein well and pick shrinking next which is a
01:00:14 ◼ ► really really great sitcom it's kind of at the top of its game yeah it is a classic bill lawrence
01:00:21 ◼ ► people hanging out haven't you know talking the premise is interesting but you know as with all of
01:00:27 ◼ ► these shows it goes way beyond its premise pretty quickly the idea that this is a guy who's grieving
01:00:31 ◼ ► uh whose wife just died he's got a a teenage daughter he's a he's a uh uh a therapist who decides to kind of
01:00:40 ◼ ► make some questionable therapy decisions uh but really it's just about you know harrison ford is a
01:00:54 ◼ ► um good really good writing two very strong seasons great guest cast too right like uh uh
01:01:02 ◼ ► zach braff was in the second season right well you know zach braff is uh you know bill lawrence did
01:01:09 ◼ ► scrubs and yeah no i know and they're but like he's great in it so he also died i think he directed
01:01:14 ◼ ► some of the he's a director so yeah yeah yeah um but like just to me like you know it's the
01:01:18 ◼ ► the the main cast is great the guest cast is great like it's a very very good show like it's it's a lot
01:01:25 ◼ ► of fun i like it a lot you know what i'm not sure zach braff is in it i think i'm thinking of a
01:01:29 ◼ ► different show on apple i think you are thinking of a different show that is also on my list so maybe
01:01:33 ◼ ► we'll get there later oh i remember what show that is now and yes he's really good in that but
01:01:37 ◼ ► it's not this one but he's really good in that uh but yeah directed uh ted lasso too like he's doing
01:01:43 ◼ ► a lot of that but then he'll be back on the uh all the success bill lawrence has had on apple tv
01:01:47 ◼ ► has led to them bringing scrubs back what do you think about the fact that they're bringing scrubs back
01:01:52 ◼ ► i i don't know i mean i every time i see so you don't know this probably but in the u.s we are
01:01:57 ◼ ► blanketed with t-mobile commercials that feature i've seen them turk and jd i mean it's not when
01:02:04 ◼ ► i've been i've been in the states i've seen it's the actors but they're they're basically being turk
01:02:08 ◼ ► and jd yeah and it makes me think um that maybe there is an audience and appetite for more scrubs
01:02:14 ◼ ► given that those guys have kept their bromance alive for all this time but we'll see i mean the
01:02:20 ◼ ► we'll see i mean you kind of can't recapture the magic but if you can use those older characters as
01:02:35 ◼ ► like their last season of scrubs the last season of scrubs they tried to do it and they failed
01:02:40 ◼ ► so i really hope that actually they don't do that no i think that's what it has to be but
01:02:46 ◼ ► but uh but but everybody was tired and ready to be done with scrubs at that point and now they're
01:02:51 ◼ ► they're bringing it back so we'll see but bill lawrence i think is bill lawrence is hot right now so
01:02:55 ◼ ► uh they're gonna let him do that i mean i didn't know this is bill lawrence actually doing the
01:03:01 ◼ ► reboot he he is not the showrunner because he has so many different things going on but he is the
01:03:07 ◼ ► exec producer and has people from his writing group that are in it so it's like he's involved i i don't
01:03:13 ◼ ► think he's involved i think he's involved with maybe at the level that he's involved with shrinking where
01:03:19 ◼ ► you know brett goldstein kind of developed that show and then bill lawrence helped him develop it
01:03:27 ◼ ► because bill lawrence is such a pro we'll see oh and talking speaking of which brett goldstein is so
01:03:34 ◼ ► good in shrinking and shrinking he's just so so good in that like oh man what a great show
01:03:44 ◼ ► my next yeah thanks i picked it is what i was also referring to just a second ago for all mankind
01:03:52 ◼ ► oh i do a whole podcast about for all mankind and you got it i wish more people watch this show
01:04:00 ◼ ► because it's astoundingly good you want to binge they've done four seasons i think now so it's it's
01:04:07 ◼ ► super bingeable if you have not seen it i reckon this is the show like when when you know like i have
01:04:12 ◼ ► friends and they'll be like oh i signed up for apple tv for this you know like what whatever it might be
01:04:17 ◼ ► right they've they've signed up for severance or they've signed up or the studio the studio and i
01:04:23 ◼ ► and they're like what shall i watch now and i'm like for all mankind man it's a show the premise is
01:04:29 ◼ ► simple what if russia got to the moon first go right and the space race continued and and gets hotter
01:04:38 ◼ ► and hotter and yep you know the as we move through the future becomes quicker right like all of the
01:04:45 ◼ ► compression and oh and also every season they jump like 10 years into the future and like some of the
01:04:51 ◼ ► characters get older and they actually do that really well like in a believable way like oh yeah
01:04:58 ◼ ► joel kinnaman is like using a walker now but it's fine it works it like totally works i don't know how
01:05:03 ◼ ► they've done it like but it continues to work surprisingly it is uh it is great it is one of
01:05:09 ◼ ► their best shows it is one of the best shows on tv um it is exciting there look they they have their
01:05:16 ◼ ► moments there are plot corners that go in where you're like what are you doing show but they season
01:05:20 ◼ ► three has one of the weird it's not good but they but i'll say they write the ship i can i can i can now
01:05:26 ◼ ► say like that in season four and i really liked it they have some they some wild twists some real
01:05:31 ◼ ► action um there are a lot of stakes a lot of people die a lot of spaceships blow up the first episode
01:05:38 ◼ ► of season three is one of the most tense it's the it's the hotel one is one of the most tense
01:05:45 ◼ ► episodes of television this show is brilliant like it's it is so good and again i know people like to
01:05:54 ◼ ► do like a binge watch or something and a lot of things we've suggested is like there's 20 episodes
01:05:58 ◼ ► there's 10 episodes there's 40 episodes of for all mankind a fifth season is coming a spinoff set in
01:06:12 ◼ ► like apple clearly really likes for all mankind i would also say that one of the interesting side
01:06:18 ◼ ► effects of apple not having a catalog and building their own is that they are willing to stand behind
01:06:24 ◼ ► franchises a lot longer than most other streamers are because they want here's the thing they want
01:06:30 ◼ ► people like us to say oh watch for all mankind there's there's four about to be five seasons of
01:06:36 ◼ ► it so you can just dive into that and it's really nice to have a big catalog of something like that
01:06:42 ◼ ► and they're doing that with for all mankind it's really great is it perfect no does it do some silly
01:06:46 ◼ ► stuff sure but like i am riveted and it is one of the very few tv shows that rot that rose to the
01:06:52 ◼ ► level where dan morin and i now do an episode by episode podcast about it called nasa vending machine
01:06:59 ◼ ► that is over on the incomparable because it's that good it is so good so highly recommend good pick mike
01:07:08 ◼ ► what i i am really excited about the like basically the in the spinoff show they're going back to the
01:07:13 ◼ ► beginning of the show i'm retelling it from the other side so from you know the show is set on the
01:07:19 ◼ ► american side and they're going back to tell it from the russian side and i really wonder if there
01:07:24 ◼ ► will be like a way that you'll be able to watch it where you jump between them eventually like you
01:07:30 ◼ ► would watch episode one of for all mankind and then episode one of what what is that one going to be
01:07:38 ◼ ► called i think you mentioned i don't know whatever i don't know they've announced the title i think but
01:07:42 ◼ ► like you know like where you end up like you could kind of machete order or something and you end up
01:07:46 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah star star city is what they're calling it which is the place where where the
01:07:52 ◼ ► soviet union space program is and and yeah it allows them to maybe bring back actors in fact right to be
01:07:58 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah i didn't think about that yeah oh man so good so good yeah all right what's your next pick
01:08:06 ◼ ► i love it i am going to say here is an up-and-coming sci-fi franchise that i think they did an incredible
01:08:13 ◼ ► job with and i want to see much much more of it and it's murder bot okay murder bot murder bot is great
01:08:21 ◼ ► uh the format is really interesting it's 30 minute episodes not hour-long episodes so they're short and
01:08:27 ◼ ► sweet uh it for those who are put off by the the subject matter or the title it is it is a funny it's uh
01:08:35 ◼ ► it's what chris white's who did um american pie and about a boy among other things it is a a really
01:08:43 ◼ ► faithful adaptation of martha wells murder bot series of novellas and novels um which are beloved they've
01:08:50 ◼ ► been really successful in the sci-fi uh reading community over the last decade um it is it is funny
01:08:59 ◼ ► funny and a sci-fi show so like are there alien monsters are there lasers is there tension uh yes
01:09:06 ◼ ► it's also funny and also it is about identity in a very interesting way because the main character
01:09:13 ◼ ► is the murder bot it is a synthetic life form it's made of a combination of computer and cloned human
01:09:22 ◼ ► tissue so it's got a brain but it was never a person like a human it is a person and then the interesting
01:09:31 ◼ ► twist is these these types of of creatures are created as essentially a slave race they are put
01:09:39 ◼ ► under control they kill themselves if they disobey orders and this one undoes its programming and has
01:09:47 ◼ ► free will and so it becomes a story about this character that is not a human being figuring out
01:09:55 ◼ ► where it fits uh wondering about the freedom of other creatures like it navigating the politics which i
01:10:03 ◼ ► think is really appropriate for our time of who is going to agree that it's free and human and not human
01:10:11 ◼ ► but sentient right who is going to agree with it where can it go where it can be treated with dignity
01:10:18 ◼ ► um and yes its pronouns are it uh which i also think is kind of fun um because it's not and there are a
01:10:27 ◼ ► couple of shots where it's a it's a male uh actor but like there are a couple shots where you see it's
01:10:32 ◼ ► genital area and it's a ken doll right like it's like there's nothing down there because it's not made for
01:10:36 ◼ ► that it's made to be a security robot but it's not a robot it's a it's a person it's just not a human
01:10:41 ◼ ► anyway so there's a lot of that but it's also funny uh it it kind of is working with this ragtag
01:10:47 ◼ ► group of kind of space hippie scientists um and is always frustrated by how bad they are at security
01:10:53 ◼ ► which is why they have a security robot with them uh anyway i cannot recommend it highly enough
01:10:59 ◼ ► i love it it's hilarious i hope they make many many more episodes my only complaint about it is
01:11:03 ◼ ► in the 30 minute format it's really nicely bite-sized but it means the season goes by real fast
01:11:08 ◼ ► and then i want more so i hope they bring it back for much more because it's really brilliantly
01:11:13 ◼ ► executed it's about something it's got action and sci-fi fun and is funny all in one package what a special
01:11:22 ◼ ► gift murder bot this episode is brought to you by fitbod if you're looking to change your fitness level
01:11:29 ◼ ► getting started can be tough that's why i'm pleased to let you know fitbod is an easy and affordable way
01:11:35 ◼ ► to build a fitness plan that is just for you because everybody has their own path to personal fitness
01:11:40 ◼ ► which is why fitbod uses data to make sure they customize things to suit you perfectly fitbod will
01:11:45 ◼ ► adapt as you improve making sure every workout is challenging while also pushing you to make the progress
01:11:50 ◼ ► that you want because you will achieve the best results when a workout program is tailored to your
01:11:54 ◼ ► body experience environment and goals these are all unique to you and fitbod will store this information
01:12:00 ◼ ► in your fitbod gym profile it will then track your muscle recovery making sure that you avoid burnout and
01:12:05 ◼ ► keep up your momentum and fitbod builds your best possible workout by analyzing billions of data points
01:12:11 ◼ ► they have exercise science on their side and all of this stuff has been fine-tuned by certified personal
01:12:16 ◼ ► trainers to make sure that they give you the very best exercises they mix things up right because that
01:12:21 ◼ ► is important by mixing stuff up and we're talking about different workouts different exercises different
01:12:26 ◼ ► rep schemes supersets and circuits you will have a well-balanced workout routine so you are not overworking
01:12:32 ◼ ► muscles or underworking them doing either of these can negatively impact your results so they balance it out
01:12:37 ◼ ► for you now when you're learning new exercises are being given new exercises you want to make sure that
01:12:42 ◼ ► you're learning them well and i love that fitbod has thousands of demonstration videos in their app
01:12:47 ◼ ► their app is really easy to use and it works really well so i can watch these videos they're shot from
01:12:51 ◼ ► multiple angles and make sure that i feel comfortable with the exercise that i'm about to take on
01:12:57 ◼ ► personalized training of this quality can be expensive fitbod is just 15.99 a month or 95.99 a year
01:13:03 ◼ ► but you can get 25 off your membership by signing up at fitbod.me upgrade so go now and get your
01:13:11 ◼ ► customized fitness plan at fitbod.me upgrade once again that is fitbod.me upgrade for 25% off your membership
01:13:34 ◼ ► and i guess okay we can you know i would like to i'll give you i'll give you future formula one
01:13:41 ◼ ► broadcast and f1 the movie streaming soon on apple tv yes if you want it because you you what you're
01:13:46 ◼ ► picking is the relationship yeah well also it is also like they're definitely going to make a formula
01:13:51 ◼ ► another one too yeah i heard all that i heard some this is very funny to me there was a uh uh the the
01:14:00 ◼ ► director is his name kaczynski yeah he was being interviewed like on a red carpet for something
01:14:07 ◼ ► recently and someone referred to how is f2 going which i thought was so funny it's like this human
01:14:15 ◼ ► being was an ai who just assumed that if you had a movie called f1 that the sequel would be f2 where
01:14:22 ◼ ► if that was what they were making it would suggest that sunny hayes got demoted to the junior league
01:14:28 ◼ ► of of the sport and raced in f2 which doesn't make any sense um so yeah i'm picking the concept of formula
01:14:36 ◼ ► the one uh as a part of apple tv uh because i think that this is going to become a bigger and bigger
01:14:43 ◼ ► thing for them i think if drive to survive didn't exist they would make that right like as part of this
01:14:49 ◼ ► arrangement um i will be really intrigued to understand what that relationship is like between
01:14:55 ◼ ► the production company and netflix as to who actually owns drive to survive because there is a
01:15:01 ◼ ► production company that makes this for netflix and like what does that deal look like you know like
01:15:07 ◼ ► is drive to survive a movable thing or a concept just like it and maybe it goes to to apple in the future
01:15:13 ◼ ► like everything is up to play for when it comes to apple in this sport um because they're in for it for a
01:15:20 ◼ ► very long time and it is a successful product that is growing like i think you know correct me if i'm
01:15:26 ◼ ► wrong jason like one of the sports which is weirdly considered to be growing its audience around the
01:15:31 ◼ ► world which doesn't seem to happen often um especially growing its audience in the u.s which
01:15:36 ◼ ► is an important market um so yeah i'm picking formula one okay you said beforehand that you would
01:15:44 ◼ ► probably do that and i said go ahead i'm not picking it so yeah that gives you one less pick and i'll take
01:15:48 ◼ ► it i think it's interesting to think about it i am going to pick another um maybe a little less talked
01:15:54 ◼ ► about but deserving way better than i expected it to be uh one of these apple specializes in this the
01:16:02 ◼ ► high budget high quality sci-fi series for the thinking person i feel like there's somebody within
01:16:09 ◼ ► apple tv who knows exactly this portion of their market and it's me uh and other people too but me
01:16:16 ◼ ► uh and so i'm gonna pick silo uh interesting yeah silo good good it's a book series i was gonna pick
01:16:25 ◼ ► this too i feel like you undersold it uh in the way that you were describing it yeah it's a book series
01:16:31 ◼ ► that i don't actually love i think it's okay um but the way that that it's done um it is so brilliant
01:16:40 ◼ ► and and what i what i would say about it is silo sounds like the kind of show i wouldn't like
01:16:46 ◼ ► because although it is a sci-fi show it is one of these like in the future after an apocalypse people
01:16:54 ◼ ► are locked in a chamber together and must turn and will turn on each other and who will reign and
01:17:00 ◼ ► like like the walking dead gave me fatigue very very quickly right this is not that show this is
01:17:09 ◼ ► there is an aspect of power dynamic but it's a different kind of power dynamic it does have a
01:17:15 ◼ ► question of like in a democracy what is the power of the people what happens when the people in charge
01:17:21 ◼ ► get out of line what if uh secrets are kept like all that is going on but there's also the ongoing
01:17:27 ◼ ► mystery of like what happened why are these people in a silo yeah what happened to the outside world and
01:17:33 ◼ ► the show and this is not a spoiler the show is like is there even an apocalypse outside
01:17:39 ◼ ► outside maybe somebody should go out and look oh but if there is then they die well there's a whole
01:17:44 ◼ ► thing about that that's what part of what the show is about rebecca ferguson is the star she is
01:17:49 ◼ ► fantastic the show makes a lot of um great moves with our characters you're like oh it's that character
01:17:55 ◼ ► and that like it is not afraid to kill characters off it does it a lot um it is i really like common
01:18:02 ◼ ► in the show too i think common is fantastic and after season one i would have been like common is a
01:18:08 ◼ ► super scary villain and after season two i'm like common is a complicated character yeah who is super
01:18:16 ◼ ► scary but also maybe you understand him a little bit more after season two which i love that's a great
01:18:22 ◼ ► kind of villain i love a villain question mark i think that's really interesting tim robbins speaking
01:18:28 ◼ ► oh my god is great in this he is absolutely great uh lots of good uh other good actors steve zahn shows
01:18:37 ◼ ► up in season two and is amazing um it is so so i highly recommend it is it is really again one of
01:18:43 ◼ ► these kind of meaty shows where it's not going to make you roll your eyes with like repetitive like
01:18:48 ◼ ► some really messed up strong warlord takes over again like there are a lot of apocalypse shows
01:18:54 ◼ ► that are like that this is not like that this is like they formed a society to stay alive they're
01:18:58 ◼ ► obviously right on the knife's edge living in the silo and so there's this real push and pull between
01:19:02 ◼ ► like the democracy and the power dynamics but also the class structure people who live down low people
01:19:08 ◼ ► who live up high they you know the people up high look down literally and figuratively on the people
01:19:13 ◼ ► who work down low like there's a lot of really interesting social dynamics as well as an
01:19:18 ◼ ► unraveling mystery of the silo itself and what's outside and how they got there and like is history
01:19:24 ◼ ► being suppressed there's a lot here it's really well done um two seasons out they're making i think two
01:19:33 ◼ ► more that will conclude the story because it's the story from the books um and uh i i just i think it's
01:19:41 ◼ ► really great and rebecca ferguson is fantastic i agree i i was unsure about it like it seemed like a
01:19:48 ◼ ► like a dark grim show right and i was like i didn't wasn't sure that i wanted it but so many people
01:19:54 ◼ ► were talking about it that i watched it and yeah there was a lot of darkness to it but it's also just
01:19:57 ◼ ► like really good i i we watched it just after severance was over because like season two started
01:20:06 ◼ ► when severance ended and we watched all of it one and two although i will say super frustrated the way
01:20:14 ◼ ► apple promoted the show where they spoiled the end of season one and the promotion for season two
01:20:20 ◼ ► which is like not great uh like just not great but you know nevertheless they did it anyway
01:20:26 ◼ ► oh well uh my next pick is a favorite of ours slow horses yeah that was next on my list too
01:20:34 ◼ ► brilliant show brilliant show brilliant show gary oldman you can have it yep gary oldman's so good
01:20:39 ◼ ► in this show uh this is another one where it's like super interesting the way that apple produces this
01:20:45 ◼ ► show where they they always seem to have another season shot by the time the season ends it's really
01:20:52 ◼ ► interesting they seem to shoot two seasons together yeah back to back and then they also have a pace
01:21:01 ◼ ► where they then come back to shoot the next two seasons a year later so that they can do because
01:21:06 ◼ ► it's not it's like two six episode seasons so their their their seasons are short yeah but it allows
01:21:14 ◼ ► them to like do 12 in a block and then a year later they do another 12 in a block which i like as a model
01:21:19 ◼ ► to have it come back every six or eight months for for for for six episodes it's a pretty great actually
01:21:26 ◼ ► yeah so like because they always do this thing which reminds me of like uh it reminds me at the
01:21:30 ◼ ► end of back to the future too where at the end of every season of slow horses they're like next season
01:21:35 ◼ ► on slow horses and they have like a bunch of footage to show you because they've done it already
01:21:39 ◼ ► which i always think is so funny i love it so much i agree with uh so jack loudon his wife
01:21:47 ◼ ► is like campaigning for him to be the next james bond and i agree because i think he would be a
01:21:55 ◼ ► brilliant james bond um i i really like jack uh jack loudon in this show um it's fantastic and there is
01:22:04 ◼ ► also another james bond connection to the show uh where his grandfather is played by oh jonathan price
01:22:12 ◼ ► yes who is one of my favorite bond villains who plays uh i think it's tomorrow never dies
01:22:18 ◼ ► and he plays like a rupert murdoch figure but what if he could make the news you know so that's the
01:22:24 ◼ ► i really yeah really great really great so i love slow horses it's brilliant it's brilliant brilliant
01:22:29 ◼ ► brilliant brilliant show and it's all produced in london and it's fantastic looks great yeah looks great
01:22:34 ◼ ► gary oldman so good yeah the sporting cast is great kristin scott thomas who yeah having not read
01:22:40 ◼ ► beyond the first book in the series didn't know whether she'd be back but she is always back and
01:22:46 ◼ ► is also great so yeah it's so good we are very fortunate to have slow horse i've in fact honestly
01:22:53 ◼ ► i look at slow horses and i think this should be the model for adapting any like book series especially
01:23:03 ◼ ► like thriller crime mystery book series i had just brief sidebar i really enjoy rich richard osmond's
01:23:11 ◼ ► uh series uh of um of cozy mysteries the thursday murder club and they made a netflix movie of it
01:23:21 ◼ ► it's not very good it's super mediocre and the books are so good and all i could think was i know you
01:23:29 ◼ ► maybe couldn't get the giant cast of stars for it but like should have been slow horses that's what
01:23:35 ◼ ► they should have done that every book should be six episodes because you need because having a book
01:23:39 ◼ ► adaptation be six episodes of a tv show you give it space you give it space for the subplots you get to
01:23:45 ◼ ► know the characters you give everything some breathing room and there's no breathing room in the thursday
01:23:50 ◼ ► murder club movie because it has to be over in two hours instead of like five hours and uh i i keep coming
01:23:59 ◼ ► kind of pointing at it and being like that do that that's the right way to do these kinds of
01:24:05 ◼ ► adaptations so they even got like a banger cast for the movie i know helen mirren pierce bros and ben
01:24:13 ◼ ► kingsley yeah and it's kind of a damn squib i would rather them have fewer of those stars if they needed
01:24:18 ◼ ► to to save on budget and done it as a as a six episode slow horses style tv show instead it's a shame
01:24:24 ◼ ► yeah books books by and large pretty much books should be tv shows not movies right like
01:24:30 ◼ ► books should be tv shows in general absolutely true they're just bigger right like you get the stories
01:24:35 ◼ ► the stories are longer yeah movies are like short stories not novels and a good novel movie adaptation
01:24:41 ◼ ► they happen but like it's a mismatch you're dropping a bunch of stuff out so much and it and sometimes it
01:24:54 ◼ ► i'm gonna go even though it has only dropped three episodes or four episodes now especially since
01:25:03 ◼ ► the tv critics who have seen seven or eight of them think like i talked last week on downstream to alan
01:25:09 ◼ ► seppenwall long time tv critic and he said that um show of the year for him is between the pit
01:25:18 ◼ ► on hbo max which is a wonderful show and pluribus uh which is the new apple tv show starring uh what is
01:25:27 ◼ ► it ray sehorn from vince gilligan who is the creator of breaking bad and better call saul and used to work
01:25:34 ◼ ► um kind of a mind-bending concept if you haven't seen it but you know it is uh sci-fi and human
01:25:43 ◼ ► drama and a wild concept and um and apple says it's the biggest premiere they've ever had
01:25:50 ◼ ► and it crashed apple tv when it premiered so i'm gonna say based on what i've seen of it what i've heard
01:25:58 ◼ ► from the critics and the fact that it's been by all accounts a huge viewing success i can't leave it
01:26:05 ◼ ► off this list so i will pick pluribus even though i hadn't seen it i had it on my list because i know
01:26:11 ◼ ► how much people love it yeah like and i am really excited to watch it but it's just i have yet to get
01:26:20 ◼ ► to it we're currently finishing taskmaster the only reason i've kept it this far down is i've only seen
01:26:26 ◼ ► whatever four episodes of it and it's great but like it's it's i haven't even seen a full season
01:26:32 ◼ ► of it and so i i wanted to go with things that i have 100 confidence in before this this might not
01:26:38 ◼ ► stick the landing right to the end it might not i can't i can't say and that's why it's down here but
01:26:44 ◼ ► i feel like i can't let it go any longer have the critics seen the end no yeah apple has withheld as
01:26:50 ◼ ► they often do with these sorts of things they've withheld the last two i think and that's what i mean
01:26:55 ◼ ► no one knows yet if this show you're like exactly is it going to feel satisfying when we get to the
01:27:01 ◼ ► end of it right uh i'm gonna pick a show that i enjoyed more than i thought i would and i thought
01:27:08 ◼ ► i was going to enjoy it and that is your friends and neighbors um this is a a show where we take john
01:27:16 ◼ ► ham and i think put john ham in the role that john ham wants to play where it's funny as well as him
01:27:24 ◼ ► looking good you know like i think john ham gets put in roles because he looks really good uh and he he
01:27:31 ◼ ► wants to be funny and this show does that it's like he is you know it's dramatic there's tension the story
01:27:38 ◼ ► is really good takes some great twists and turns and there's a lot of comedy along the way essentially
01:27:43 ◼ ► the the premise is what if rich man loses his job doesn't want to tell his family and friends
01:27:51 ◼ ► and just start stealing from his friends as a way to fund his lifestyle um and then hilarity ensues
01:27:58 ◼ ► it's a really good show um i think they're making more i hope they're making more uh i really liked it
01:28:04 ◼ ► right i still haven't seen it it's worth it keep it on keep it on my list they make some really clever
01:28:10 ◼ ► production choices to this show too which which elevated it for me like the what some of the ways
01:28:15 ◼ ► they produce some of the stuff it has been renewed for a second season excellent so good for you
01:28:22 ◼ ► all right well i am going see now i'm torn because i've got my i got my sci-fi shows that i've
01:28:28 ◼ ► been picking and i got my comedies that i've been picking everybody's pretty much figured me out now
01:28:32 ◼ ► it's the sci-fi shows and the comedies that's what i get out apple tv i'm gonna go it's a comedy it's a
01:28:41 ◼ ► little bit off for me uh it's not a sci-fi show and it's not quite a comedy but it is a very very funny
01:28:51 ◼ ► thing it's bad monkey great show starring vince vaughn you you convinced me to watch this and you
01:29:01 ◼ ► were right oh man it is so a lot of people it turns out a lot of people don't like vince vaughn
01:29:07 ◼ ► what i will say is vince vaughn is perfectly cast in this this is like when i say you may not like
01:29:12 ◼ ► will ferrell but you should probably watch elf it's a little like that it's like it's the most vince
01:29:18 ◼ ► vaughn but it's also the perfect deployment of vince vaughn yeah bad monkey is kind of in a very
01:29:24 ◼ ► specific genre which is the sleazy florida crime carl hyacinth kind of uh anyway it is set in key west
01:29:35 ◼ ► and and a little bit miami it is about a guy who's like a cop who's lost his job this is vince vaughn
01:29:43 ◼ ► he lives on the water in key west um he's like a schlubby noir detective kind of um he gets he
01:29:52 ◼ ► follows a a lead on a case that leads to kind of like more sleazy crime that's going on um it's it's
01:30:01 ◼ ► funny the plot is interesting there are a lot of great appearances by uh interesting actors including
01:30:08 ◼ ► zach braff um that's right that's what i was thinking of yeah and i just and the vibe is
01:30:14 ◼ ► immaculate every song in it is a tom petty cover um it just choices and this is also a bill lawrence
01:30:22 ◼ ► by the way bill lawrence produced this show too so it's not quite a sitcom but it's very funny and also
01:30:30 ◼ ► just is has a vibe it just is pleasant to watch funny interesting there should be more shows like
01:30:38 ◼ ► bad monkey um i love it it's really good much just surprisingly how good i was really surprised by it
01:30:45 ◼ ► too that's why i like to spread the word on bad monkey it's like again in our discord they're like
01:30:51 ◼ ► i'm not a big vance vince vaughn fan but i enjoyed it it's like this this is my point is if you don't like
01:30:57 ◼ ► the vibe of vince vaughn it's like i don't know try this because i think it's his i think the character
01:31:02 ◼ ► he's playing is feeding into your conception of vince vaughn i think it's a perfect use of him because
01:31:09 ◼ ► he's kind of a loser and you kind of want to root for him but also you know that he's gonna kind of
01:31:15 ◼ ► blow it but like i mean that's kind of what you're looking for here it is that seedy sleazy florida vibe
01:31:31 ◼ ► oh the good show good show very good show and it's related because uh vince vaughn and owen wilson
01:31:40 ◼ ► together forever you know like locked in our minds together forever so this is the owen wilson uh
01:31:47 ◼ ► meant it's like ted lasso but golf uh which is not a really fair premise for it but it is like owen
01:31:53 ◼ ► wilson and a ragtag group of people sort of mentor yeah uh teens golf phenomenon yeah it's great and
01:32:01 ◼ ► also like he is flawed right and like um there is a little bit of like uh uh rags to richesy kind of
01:32:09 ◼ ► story of like you know he's a cut he's like a burnout you know like he he he's not he's you know
01:32:16 ◼ ► considered to be not good anymore can he redeem himself it was it was very funny and had a really
01:32:23 ◼ ► good story and um it was one that i wanted to try and was really pleased that i did one of the things
01:32:30 ◼ ► that i like about stick that i also like about ted lasso is they're both aware of sports cliches
01:32:41 ◼ ► and are willing to give you the sports cliches when you want them like from sports movies and stuff yeah
01:32:51 ◼ ► they know they have power but they also know that they're cliches and so it's a it's a fine line where
01:32:58 ◼ ► it's like because i know they're cliches too so they'll do a sports cliche thing and there's a great
01:33:04 ◼ ► amazon series called red oaks that does the same thing and it's like you know that this is a red
01:33:09 ◼ ► oaks is like an 80s romantic comedy slash sports movie all mashed together and it's a great show but
01:33:16 ◼ ► like it's the same idea which is i know it's a cliche but it works and i love it and if you also as the
01:33:23 ◼ ► writer or producer of the show know that it's a cliche but also know it can be powerful and fun
01:33:28 ◼ ► when done right we're all in sync here like why are we watching this story about a an underdog sports
01:33:35 ◼ ► person and seeing what they do it's like we know what we kind of want out of that and you're going
01:33:41 ◼ ► to give it to us but you're going to give it to us in a way that that we we all know what we're getting
01:33:45 ◼ ► into and we all know uh what that there's going to be a different spin on it like i'm trying to
01:33:50 ◼ ► express here the idea that like it it knows the tropes and it uses them but it all but the fact that
01:33:56 ◼ ► it knows them and it knows i know them make elevates it beyond that it's got that other level of like we
01:34:01 ◼ ► we all know how fun sports movies can be and we'll put that into effect and like we all agree yes that
01:34:09 ◼ ► is fun something i like about stick too is they got to do the thing that very rarely a season one of a
01:34:15 ◼ ► show like this gets to do where they're actually on the pga tour the real one with the real golfers
01:34:21 ◼ ► like cameos in this show are of all the real top golf stars right like they're there yeah in the
01:34:30 ◼ ► show and like they're playing yeah they're playing golf in the tournaments like they actually i don't
01:34:36 ◼ ► know how they did it but like they did it where you like the ted lasso it took to season two right
01:34:42 ◼ ► for us to get any real footballers in it and like any of the real teams in it and all this like well
01:34:47 ◼ ► maybe not the real teams but yes they did have the real teams yeah but like you know it takes
01:34:52 ◼ ► it usually takes like oh this thing got successful so now it's like um in drive to survive the first
01:35:00 ◼ ► season of drive to survive which is the f1 documentary show the top teams ferrari and mercedes were not
01:35:06 ◼ ► they didn't want to take part and then it was a massive success for the other teams so then everyone
01:35:13 ◼ ► wanted to be part of it exactly exactly how many more picks do you have obviously you have your one
01:35:19 ◼ ► to match my i could do this i could do one more round after this if you wanted yeah let's do that
01:35:24 ◼ ► or we could stop here whatever you do one more round after this all right okay uh so then i'm gonna go
01:35:29 ◼ ► back to sci-fi and i'm gonna pick foundation okay found it again many many many many seasons with
01:35:36 ◼ ► more to come um the scope of this show is bananas right it's thousands and thousands of years and
01:35:44 ◼ ► yet they managed to keep many of the same actors there are reasons um season one is kind of a tough
01:35:52 ◼ ► watch it gets better as it goes but it it starts really slow um it picks up after that i would actually
01:36:00 ◼ ► say the problem is that the pattern with the show is that they front load a lot of stuff at the very
01:36:04 ◼ ► beginning of season of the season and you're like oh boy this show downloading all this stuff again
01:36:10 ◼ ► and then by the time it's in the last couple episodes it is flying like that's the thing is
01:36:16 ◼ ► this is the show that i i want to recommend it because i think the net is amazing but i have to
01:36:22 ◼ ► admit that every season is a little bit of a rough ride where you start and you're like oh god hundreds
01:36:28 ◼ ► of years of knowledge and reference to that thing that i think it actually might work better as a binge
01:36:33 ◼ ► because i'm always like who is that guy what was that what was that in um but it picked but if you
01:36:41 ◼ ► if they lay down their cards at the beginning of the season of like this is the story we're telling now
01:36:46 ◼ ► and then the momentum picks over and then like when it is good you are talking about like
01:36:51 ◼ ► galactic stakes and planets being destroyed and the fate of the galaxy at at risk at any moment of like
01:37:01 ◼ ► um and it does it so well it is one of the great examples of like a a tenet of the science fiction
01:37:10 ◼ ► genre which is the the space opera the galaxy spanning space opera um that doesn't get represented in in
01:37:18 ◼ ► uh media like this very often and foundation goes for it and i think it does a pretty good job
01:37:23 ◼ ► it is uh you know the story that you're watching is is secretly not quite the story you expect it to be
01:37:29 ◼ ► and that's actually part of the brilliance of it um i so like i have to list it i love it even though
01:37:37 ◼ ► lots of asterisks you got to be committed but i think i think actually on balance it is it is brilliant
01:37:45 ◼ ► even though it can be hard to get into and you got to persevere but um but if you persevere there's a
01:37:53 ◼ ► lot of reward every season great performances in this one too um so yeah jared harris is great in this
01:38:01 ◼ ► my last pick is a show that i have not seen the final season of yet oh but the rest of it is really
01:38:07 ◼ ► good uh mythic quest oh you sniped me there it's also a show that's done um so you know it's got
01:38:15 ◼ ► that benefit to it i have seen it and you like i've seen the last season and the side quest thing that
01:38:20 ◼ ► they did i like mythic quest a lot i think it's funny i i um i went into it being skeptical about
01:38:28 ◼ ► whether i was gonna like this show you know it's from the it's always sunny guys but it's like you know
01:38:34 ◼ ► video game and we talked about it when they were announcing it it's like is this really going to
01:38:39 ◼ ► be what's this going to be is an ad for because they a video game they partnered with a video game
01:38:45 ◼ ► company ubisoft yeah to make it to make it so it was like it's just just going to be a whitewashing
01:38:50 ◼ ► of the game industry like what are we doing yeah and it's not it's great it's a story of the people
01:38:54 ◼ ► who work at this at this video game studio and that you know and you've got your technical expert and
01:39:00 ◼ ► you've got your uh overbearing annoying creative genius who knows that he's a genius and you've
01:39:04 ◼ ► got various other characters that you pick up along the way it is funny um you don't need to be a big
01:39:10 ◼ ► video game person to find it incredibly funny and uh good characters best covet episode that any tv show
01:39:16 ◼ ► did yep um the last season is good the side quests are actually some of the best stuff that they did which
01:39:22 ◼ ► is um they did a little mini season right at the end of i think it's four stories that don't involve
01:39:29 ◼ ► the main characters uh but are in set in the world basically they're the episodes that you normally would
01:39:34 ◼ ► do as a standalone in the middle of your season run which they did um and every season which they did
01:39:40 ◼ ► and then in the last season they just did four as a total separate show yeah um and those are really
01:39:46 ◼ ► great what i would say is i felt at the end of the last season that it had run its course and they
01:39:52 ◼ ► didn't need to do anymore i was happy that we got what we got from mythic quest i think it was great
01:39:56 ◼ ► i think they ran out i think we got to the point with mythic quest in the previous season where they
01:40:02 ◼ ► realized that for these characters to change anymore would break the premise of the show yeah and so they
01:40:08 ◼ ► decided to not they did did a lot of like everything's going to change and they got to the end of the
01:40:13 ◼ ► season they're like nah forget it and then went back to the way it was yeah and i think at some
01:40:17 ◼ ► point you just got to say we've told all the stories we're willing to tell with these characters
01:40:20 ◼ ► um so let's move on yep which i think is exactly why i ended it's fine and it's fine but it's very good
01:40:25 ◼ ► really good show wow so that that that sniped me so now i have to i have to go somewhere else you do
01:40:32 ◼ ► um and so i am going to pick uh i'm going to get some seth rogan in my life and i'm going to pick
01:40:42 ◼ ► platonic do you like this show rose rose burn and seth rogan i've only seen the first season of it
01:40:48 ◼ ► and i do like it i think it's nice i think it's it's funny and silly it is about a pair of kind of
01:40:53 ◼ ► old friends mismatched old friends they were pals when they were younger they've gone their separate
01:40:58 ◼ ► ways this is seth rogan in a more seth rogany kind of he's a you know he's a schlubby studio
01:41:04 ◼ ► executive in in uh the studio here he is a schlubby brewmaster at a brew pub it is and kind of in a
01:41:11 ◼ ► state of arrested development it is a much more traditional seth rogan character yeah and then
01:41:18 ◼ ► rose burn is playing a suburban mom who was went to law school and was an attorney but at some point
01:41:26 ◼ ► she and her husband who's also an attorney she decided to stay home with the kids and he went
01:41:30 ◼ ► and did the career path in the law firm now the kids are a little bit older and she meets her old
01:41:35 ◼ ► friend who uh who is kind of in the state of arrested development but it's a reminding her
01:41:42 ◼ ► sort of like where her what her life was and that she feels like she's kind of put her life on hold
01:41:47 ◼ ► and so that's the the concept but then there's just you know there's also lots of jokes uh as these two
01:41:54 ◼ ► worlds collide in a bunch of funny ways um that you might expect and i think it's a really well executed
01:42:01 ◼ ► show so that is the ample tv content draft if you've not seen any of these shows we recommend
01:42:06 ◼ ► them go check them out yeah that's it we did a lot of them and there are more i had more mike
01:42:13 ◼ ► i had i had the long way series with ewan mcgregor and charlie boorman uh on my list that i didn't get
01:42:20 ◼ ► to which is two idiots ride motorcycles around the world um it's fun it's a travelogue it's cute
01:42:26 ◼ ► uh there's a miniseries called masters of the air from tom hanks that's about the air war in world
01:42:31 ◼ ► war ii that is really great i like that a lot um schmigadoon is a is a fun musical comedy about
01:42:40 ◼ ► musical comedy um i really like the doc series super league the war for football uh which is a very
01:42:47 ◼ ► dramatic retelling of the attempt to um a a an attempt for the most rich uh soccer teams in
01:42:54 ◼ ► europe to subvert the authority of their soccer leagues and form their own breakaway league the
01:43:01 ◼ ► super league so it's super league the war for football it's very good good documentary um the
01:43:05 ◼ ► after party i had that yeah fun show fun show just didn't make the list yeah um time bandits one season
01:43:13 ◼ ► in and out i really liked it i thought it was really adorable and i'm sorry they didn't bring
01:43:17 ◼ ► it back i thought that was a nice fun kind of for the for the whole family take on the classic time
01:43:22 ◼ ► bandits format and i gotta say i was surprised people hate them but i thought it was a really great doc
01:43:27 ◼ ► the dynasty the new england patriots which gives you tom brady and bill belichick uh kind of reluctantly
01:43:34 ◼ ► talking about themselves and uh i thought it was actually a really good story about uh as a football fan
01:43:41 ◼ ► about that era uh that that has stuff that i have not seen elsewhere and i thought it was really
01:43:46 ◼ ► well done so there's some other stuff on apple tv too we didn't even touch the movies there are some
01:43:50 ◼ ► movies some of them are good most of them aren't this episode is brought to you by udacity there's a lot
01:43:58 ◼ ► to keep up with in the world of tech and we've all got blind spots and that's where udacity comes in
01:44:03 ◼ ► if you want to learn skills that command high salaries udacity is an online learning platform
01:44:09 ◼ ► of courses in ai and tech including generative ai agentic ai python data science and so much more
01:44:16 ◼ ► udacity removes the guess guesswork so you can learn what you need to know and nothing that you don't
01:44:22 ◼ ► saving you from scouring youtube or prompting chat gpt for hours on end learning of udacity means doing
01:44:28 ◼ ► practical exercises and projects that prepare you for the job that you want and that's why 90 percent
01:44:33 ◼ ► of udacity graduates say that they achieve their enrollment goal and get this they just launched
01:44:39 ◼ ► a comprehensive course in artificial intelligence which you can study for under five thousand dollars
01:44:44 ◼ ► when you have a certification from udacity recruiters and employers take notice so for a better job better
01:44:50 ◼ ► salary and better skills check out udacity today udacity makes a lot of sense to me because i'm a person
01:44:55 ◼ ► who likes to learn new things and i am right now actually i'm looking more at social media marketing
01:45:00 ◼ ► and i started a udacity course on that exact subject i think it's very powerful to have access to what is
01:45:06 ◼ ► essentially a thousand mentors who can give feedback and knowledge on so many different subjects
01:45:11 ◼ ► the tech field is always evolving and you should be too you can try udacity risk-free for seven days
01:45:17 ◼ ► head to udacity.com upgrade and use the code upgrade and you'll get 40 percent 40 percent of your order
01:45:24 ◼ ► once again that is u-d-a-c-i-t-y udacity.com upgrade for 40 percent off and make sure you use the promo code
01:45:31 ◼ ► upgrade so they'll know that we sent you and you'll get that discount thanks to udacity for their support
01:45:43 ◼ ► our first question today comes from sam who wants to know if apple tv does include an ad supported tier
01:45:52 ◼ ► which level of membership do you think would be included in the apple one bundle i would presume
01:45:58 ◼ ► the ad tier will be included of an optional additional charge to remove ads but i'm curious
01:46:09 ◼ ► and that if they add an ad tier it really will be a cut rate ad tier trying to get people in the door
01:46:15 ◼ ► who are buying a single thing but if you're buying the whole apple bundle i think they're going to keep
01:46:19 ◼ ► you at the top tier yeah that's my guess and i think if they really felt the need they would
01:46:24 ◼ ► increase the price of apple one which they've done in the past you know by like a dollar or two a month
01:46:28 ◼ ► or something and then and then you'll get it the whole point of apple one is you're you're paying
01:46:32 ◼ ► you're a prime apple customer you're all the way in the ecosystem and you're buying a lot of stuff
01:46:37 ◼ ► and i just have a hard time seeing them pull on amazon and say on top of this you also need to pay
01:46:42 ◼ ► us not to see ads i think that i think apple's desire if they do have it to show ads at all on this
01:46:48 ◼ ► that's one of you know it will have its limits and i think that's one of its limits there is a possibility
01:46:53 ◼ ► that they you know what they could do the individual plan maybe you get it with ads and the premier plan
01:47:03 ◼ ► you get it ad free so remember apple one has three pricing tiers they have the individual which includes
01:47:10 ◼ ► icloud plus for 50 gigabytes of storage apple tv plus as they name it on the thing which is funny
01:47:15 ◼ ► apple music and arcade they have a family plan which includes those things plus 200 gigabytes
01:47:21 ◼ ► and then they have the premier plan which is also a family plan but it has two terabytes of storage
01:47:28 ◼ ► and includes fitness plus and news plus so i could imagine them doing i don't necessarily think they
01:47:35 ◼ ► would do this but i could imagine a scenario where you got the ad plan included in tv in the individual
01:47:41 ◼ ► and ad free in premier anything is possible but my gut feeling is that if you're paying apple that much
01:47:48 ◼ ► like their goal is not to get more arpu out of you at that point they got you in the bundle i think they
01:47:55 ◼ ► want you in the bundle and that this is for people who are going unbundled and are really reluctant to
01:48:00 ◼ ► pay at all for apple tv and so they're giving them a deal but they're showing them ads that's you know
01:48:05 ◼ ► never say never but i i think that because i think it's already a dicey premise right like apple showing
01:48:11 ◼ ► ads at all i think is going to be a tough sell and if they go there i think they're going to be careful
01:48:15 ◼ ► about all the next steps they take and so i i just think they'll leave the bundle alone
01:48:20 ◼ ► totally forgot that fitness and news are not in the individual or family plans of uh apple one it's
01:48:26 ◼ ► only in the premier plan it's pretty wild right why would you not i wonder if that'll change why would
01:48:32 ◼ ► you not why would you not put them in there they feel like i want the cheapest ones like yeah
01:48:38 ◼ ► that's odd they they're designed to be the throw-ins right yeah that doesn't make sense to me like it's
01:48:46 ◼ ► super weird that's very strange i haven't looked at this in a long time like i got premiere and then
01:48:52 ◼ ► just never thought about it again yeah because i do actually think for me apple one premiere is a good
01:48:58 ◼ ► deal like to get the two terabytes of iCloud storage i can share with everyone and then all of those
01:49:03 ◼ ► services and i do use music which is 16.99 a month on its own if it's right to do a family plan
01:49:10 ◼ ► and i use tv and i use arcade like i use these services it would cost yeah double nearly double
01:49:17 ◼ ► to pay uh to pay them separately logan said should apple end the mac pro as we know it and rename it to
01:49:25 ◼ ► mac from sorry and rename the mac studio to become mac pro studio display could become pro display without
01:49:31 ◼ ► interfering with the pro display xdr besides leaving some disappointed the only other issue is no mac
01:49:41 ◼ ► they're making the servers in america in houston the the private cloud compute servers and my answer is
01:49:46 ◼ ► no they can also make fine any mac they want in america if they like they could just do that like
01:49:52 ◼ ► it's they could if they i guess if they wanted to my answer is no i i get the i get the we want
01:49:58 ◼ ► everything to be in perfect boxes and so we want to rename it but it's like the mac studio is the mac
01:50:02 ◼ ► studio it's going to stay the mac studio the mac pro will just go away or it'll sit there on the
01:50:06 ◼ ► price list and nobody will buy it uh but renaming a product just to fill a slot doesn't make any sense
01:50:12 ◼ ► i think mac studio is a better name anyway also yes it is a better name than mac pro and also
01:50:19 ◼ ► like it it doesn't matter and and also the people that care the most about the mac pro would be really
01:50:26 ◼ ► upset about that as well you know like that's i suppose there's another little poke in the eye for
01:50:31 ◼ ► that it's like yeah i get i get that there are people out there who are like want every apple thing
01:50:34 ◼ ► to be nice and tidy and they've created like a little chart and all that but it's like no it doesn't
01:50:39 ◼ ► make don't do that yeah because then i mean if we're doing that then would they also have to make a
01:50:43 ◼ ► mac max you know because that because max is the thing mac studio is fine mac max fine name
01:50:56 ◼ ► the cursor to ipad os everyone loved how they used the amorphous blob design as a real ipad specific
01:51:04 ◼ ► approach but i feel like i haven't heard much discussion of how with ipad os 26 they got rid
01:51:10 ◼ ► of that in favor of a more traditional arrow what do you guys think do you miss the blob or prefer the
01:51:15 ◼ ► arrow all right well i haven't heard much discussion about it i wrote about it in my review but um i'll
01:51:21 ◼ ► just say you wrote about it discussion discussion right discuss it you know um i get it because
01:51:27 ◼ ► they they they felt they felt they needed um especially with the new multitasking stuff to have
01:51:33 ◼ ► a pointer that indicated the precision using the trackpad right that that now they've got some
01:51:40 ◼ ► interface elements that are smaller and that they wanted to indicate the precision however
01:51:45 ◼ ► amorphous blob it still is the pointer still changes when you move it around it it still has a lot of
01:51:53 ◼ ► those characteristics and will change so it it morphs into an ibeam when it's editing text right like
01:51:59 ◼ ► that is still does it still do the snapping like it used to snap to content i don't think it does that
01:52:06 ◼ ► anymore if the app wants it to it does but otherwise it doesn't i think it's not supposed to
01:52:12 ◼ ► ideally do that anymore i think at the time when it was when it was introduced it made a lot of sense
01:52:18 ◼ ► to make a curse of the size of a finger because that was what was interacting with apps but i think as
01:52:22 ◼ ► ipads have become more complicated post that being introduced and with ipad os 26 it makes more sense
01:52:28 ◼ ► now to have the precision so i think yeah like i did i mean it was funny when i read this question i was
01:52:33 ◼ ► like oh yeah to me it just felt like such an obvious natural change that i never really thought
01:52:38 ◼ ► about it and when they introduced it i was like great i prefer this now and so the blob is a nice
01:52:42 ◼ ► idea the circle was a nice idea but it's a virtual finger and there are elements that require more
01:52:48 ◼ ► precision now that that uh you would need something more precise than the circle and so they made the
01:52:54 ◼ ► advantage of having an arrow is there's the point of the arrow which is super precise and that's what
01:52:59 ◼ ► they want but it still is not the mac pointer and it still does its little morphing animations and
01:53:05 ◼ ► stuff so it's fine i like i i like i like what they did with the original i think that it was super
01:53:10 ◼ ► clever um but uh the os has evolved and the cursor the you know pointer has evolved it's fine and matt
01:53:17 ◼ ► wrote in and said do you feel an extra pressure to not make mistakes on the shows that you record live
01:53:23 ◼ ► in front of an audience like upgrade versus the shows that you do not record live how do you approach
01:53:28 ◼ ► these recordings differently i mean i talked about this on the show i think that one of the things that
01:53:33 ◼ ► is a challenge for me when we're doing upgrade live and and streaming it live which is to you know