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00:02:16 ◼ ► talked a little bit about a possible I watch a terrible name it just sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/136">TS</a>]
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00:02:54 ◼ ► to have a watch that function like I was one of those morons that had the time AX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► Microsoft watch known him talking about you when you with so watch it it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/177">TS</a>]
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00:03:16 ◼ ► SmartLink where's the where such a thing that communicated via the IR on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/196">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► well it was it would flash like dem blinds across the computer operator at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/202">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► your right and and then hold the watch up to modern that's how you get my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/208">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► numbers in it and all that and it was really cool the time but in retrospect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/212">TS</a>]
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00:03:48 ◼ ► have about a possible and even though I listened to a bunch of Friday's with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► faith and Jason talking about it did sound pretty appealing and a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► mine phil has won it seems a bit early but then again if Apple were to do when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► one would hope they would do it better so I guess it's a very long and rambling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► way of saying I'd probably consider if not do it but we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/242">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► what do you think John it seems highly unlikely that I would ever wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► in an apple watches I don't wear a watch it all I given the cellphone front I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► carry a cell phone it's not an iPhone but at least I haven't but I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► a lot on the phone to watch since I think like a sports watch like maybe 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/259">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► years ago and I haven't sitting in my drawer that someone stole forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► ever and ever wear like I guess if I was going to go running and it is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► to keep time I would take it out and put it on but it's hard for me to imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► having something like that and deciding even though having wanna watch for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► basically my entire adult life now I'm going to start working on the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/279">TS</a>]
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00:04:46 ◼ ► some sort of integration and where this is like a more convenient way to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► information without taking out your phone or something but even that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► stretch especially considering entering an iPhone via I mean I think it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/295">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► also worth considering a note on my catch phrases but it's also worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► considering that you know if if you would have asked people in late 2006 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/305">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► know would you be apple released a phone with no buttons and no removable battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/312">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► and no keyboard would you buy it you know a lot of people but no I feel did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/318">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► say that and when it was first announced but now we're all using either that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► something very similar to it from somebody else and except for you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/329">TS</a>]
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00:05:39 ◼ ► means to get a smartphone go with an option very similar to that and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/339">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► know I have to wonder what could they do in the in the water watch like area and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/345">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► chances are I mean whenever people try to predict Apple products like new new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/353">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► categories before they're not just saw this is gonna get a faster CPU next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► who cares whatever he will try to predict Apple products they almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► always can only predict it in the context of what we know today for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/365">TS</a>]
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00:06:15 ◼ ► for the mockups for what a flat iOS redesign would look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/375">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► and so many designers made these anchors the rumors were that Apple's redesigning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► iOS and it's gonna look off flat not far from the truth but you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/386">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► everybody came up with was basically iOS 6-2 gradients and it looked like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/392">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► even the same color palette all the same funds all the same layouts all the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► everything except they just removed the gradients basically and it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/402">TS</a>]
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00:06:52 ◼ ► mind for iOS 7 which now we know about and and and by the way a lot of it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/412">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► beyond just removing creations and the colors and most of the fat weight but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/418">TS</a>]
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00:07:13 ◼ ► we're gonna have trouble protecting us but I wouldn't write off the idea just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/433">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► Oh what if they are they going to watch am I gonna we're not because they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► are more likely to do something that we hadn't really considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/443">TS</a>]
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00:07:35 ◼ ► having a watch that smarter than your average watch and the obvious answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/455">TS</a>]
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00:07:45 ◼ ► already called the second screen but it it's a second screens you not to pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► your phone out of your pocket which is a total first world problem but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► like they would do more than that that's not enough and I i keep thinking in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/472">TS</a>]
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00:08:11 ◼ ► didn't she likes it but it's not terribly accurate and so my thought is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/491">TS</a>]
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00:08:20 ◼ ► will have some sort of really nice integration kinda like Nike Plus but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► better but then again I can't envision how you can make a better sensor than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/503">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► what we've heard he got so I don't know what problem Apple's solving with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/508">TS</a>]
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00:08:35 ◼ ► gonna be something that we didn't expect just like you were saying Marco despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/515">TS</a>]
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00:08:44 ◼ ► Apple producing something that attaches to your restore some other part in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/524">TS</a>]
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00:08:53 ◼ ► Apple's first like that for a lot of reasons I think we went through these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► Twitter maybe someone blogged about a while back but like back when they do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► want for christmas came out people just listing reasons make sense it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/542">TS</a>]
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00:09:10 ◼ ► companies and you know manufacturing so it's right in the wheelhouse not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/550">TS</a>]
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00:09:25 ◼ ► can sell a lot of them because a lot of people can afford them you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► have someone who can afford 200 300 other phone plus a two-year contract or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/569">TS</a>]
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00:09:42 ◼ ► people are eligible to buy this thing especially if they don't tight any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/582">TS</a>]
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00:10:01 ◼ ► margins on because it would really be cheap for them to make enough so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► know forty fifty percent margin on this not crazy to think of and this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► like a pretty good progress characteristics that fit with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► that Apple could sell a ton of a good margin and thats not outside its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► realm of things that normally makes and then you really only question left with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► this alright well why would anyone ever buy this thing all these characteristics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/622">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► I agree with you saw them along with plastic protective oxide cost you $25 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► make you know when you're make millions of dollars and I think it's probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/630">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► that complicated like Casey was saying all right so it's it's presumably this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/635">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► presumably I can do stuff with it that I would normally have to take my phone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/645">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► or before but that's not important enough reason for another pocket if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► everything comes together in the right way and Apple does a good job with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► product I think that those those advantages that we scoff at now are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/658">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► exactly the thing that will make this a big seller and addictive device again if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/663">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► they do a good job is not defacto if they make something that's a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/668">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► watches fulfill this but what I'm thinking of us something about this blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► while back that technological conservatism article where anything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► described it doesn't exist now that removes some tiny minor annoyance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► real-life sounds ridiculous like goes it would be like my phone in my pocket so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/684">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► hard dick into my pocket then ripped the phone out of my pocket of my face turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/688">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► my eyes to look at the thing that's so much harder than having to turn my wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► do not like it's not that much harder and you can make fun of people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/698">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► having this thing but if you get used to doing the ever so slightly easier thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► it becomes annoying to go back to the old thing and you know these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/706">TS</a>]
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00:12:02 ◼ ► world without you know twenty or thirty or forty these things but they'll build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/722">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► on each other so if they can make this even just a little bit less annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/725">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► than something that we do now even if you were to describe it and it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► ridiculous I think that that's enough if it's a good product of people like it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/734">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► makes our lives a little bit better and it's not that expensive it does maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► want to do things to get people in the door to get that critical mass once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► get used to having it and provide some benefit to you even if the benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/745">TS</a>]
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00:13:30 ◼ ► stand-alone thing with its own its own device what they would have its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► storage or be able to run its own apps what kind of centuries it would have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/814">TS</a>]
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00:13:58 ◼ ► you look at things like that obviously technology is there to do a SmartWatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/838">TS</a>]
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00:14:09 ◼ ► devices like just like not quite a second screen necessarily people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/849">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► that term a lot I think that's most of the way there but I i really see it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/855">TS</a>]
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00:14:21 ◼ ► this thing is not going to have its own GPS chip it's probably not gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► many sensors can have things like like a pedometer and accelerometer your biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/865">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► problem is the same thing you can have things like that but it's probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► going to have a lot of its own power it's probably gonna be just like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► like like a Bluetooth headset kind level of processing you know just its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► Bluetooth thing using low-power stuff for piano whatever that is and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/886">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► end it would use your other iOS device and it might not have to be an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► maybe can use an iPod touch and iPad who knows it can use your other iOS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/897">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► over Bluetooth to do any kind of heavy lifting or even the iOS device controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► it or god forbid a web application and also you know look at things like member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/908">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► when when panic tore apart the HDMI Thunderbolt adapter or navigation by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/916">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► lightning adapter and and found this tiny little ARM processor in the figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/922">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► out that you know it's basically like a little tiny ARM chip running a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/929">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► tiny embedded version of airplay that's a perfect size things going to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/933">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► your show of shows something like that in a watch with almost all of russian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/939">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► space being taken up by a big battery and a very very thin screen on top with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/943">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► the screen even to be touch screen has had you know you can't really as as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/949">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► current iPod nano and that's a touch screen right it is I want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► that a little bit more I see this little thing has basically an iPod replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/958">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► because I used iPod shuffle and the only thing I think it may be having its like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► a lot of people are looking for an iPod as small as possible special like a rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/966">TS</a>]
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00:16:13 ◼ ► incredible battery life except for the niggling details how does that get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/973">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► my years because you're not going to have a cord running rest of two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► but it has Bluetooth Bluetooth earbuds or something like that is that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/981">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► solution that would be attractive to with all the current people who buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/985">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► iPod shuffle again a bunch of almost cost them at this point 15 bucks to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/989">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► myself like 3949 no I don't I don't see this thing having a lot of storage those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/992">TS</a>]
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00:16:41 ◼ ► very bulky it can be very big and so you're talking a very very time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► space in there and all the spaces dared must be dedicated to the battery is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► gonna be really challenging to get big do you think the battery is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► shuffle shuffle is tiny and most of the rooms taken up by humongous buttons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► switches that will not be need to be on this thing the battery must be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► cruise plays audio for hours and hours and I i think is spent a while but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► think especially if they do they call this prototype stuff like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1026">TS</a>]
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00:17:14 ◼ ► your wrist gives you a lot more volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► in making like the terrible terrible things like you know a box of Matchbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► sitting on top of your wrist strap I imagine this device spreading the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► of the stuff inside it across a much larger area than just having a box in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► strapless boxes strap would not be Apple style so I think they have room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► enough storage to say contain a bunch of podcast and a low-power Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► incurred a net maybe BurJuman isn't that great whenever I don't think we expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► to see this until next year but I think they could pull it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1063">TS</a>]
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00:18:22 ◼ ► even newer that's come out recently that maybe would enable this sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1102">TS</a>]
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00:18:45 ◼ ► moaning about the icons and Iowa seven but if you envision those same icons on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► a much smaller device like the current iPod Nano suddenly that Safari icon we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► all hate actually kinda looks right and I just wanted to pose that as a thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► exercise and I don't know if you guys have any input on that if not you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► talk about something else when we did get a big hit somebody on one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► press briefings or something somebody got someone and Apple 22 comment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1149">TS</a>]
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00:19:51 ◼ ► everything to be very simple though I guess having a bunch of text labels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1191">TS</a>]
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00:20:31 ◼ ► iPod line has been diversion like it's been the iPod Touch which is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1231">TS</a>]
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00:20:46 ◼ ► there but must warn you can't we can't do that we can make it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1246">TS</a>]
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00:20:57 ◼ ► insist they want that thing to go away and they can't get what you do with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1257">TS</a>]
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00:21:08 ◼ ► thing and try to use the touchscreen the same size like they wanted to go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1268">TS</a>]
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00:24:41 ◼ ► think for a little bit come back and then I was able to get through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► level that's the right kind of difficulty to me enough that it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► you kind of sit back and think but not so much that you're like oh god I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► this and I want to break this iPad over my knee so it is really really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► go check it out the lower level editor to write I was just playing through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► campaign and that's just their their demo video it shows someone making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► uploading it now I guess you look at this time they buried in here there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► over a thousand levels uploaded by players and sorted by rating and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► totally free and it simply it unlocks when you've been enough levels as it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► kind of like the PlayStation Xbox one thing where were the fact that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► pay money for a game and play it is now a really massive selling point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► game as it is not going to my son is currently playing rules for free-to-play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► games on the iPad and I warned him about it and I talked to him about it but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► understands intellectually what's going on but he still says I just got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► thing for this concert is like don't you realize it's you know at this point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► taken like $15 already of his own money that is paid for just joking games just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► so refreshing to go back to the good old days when you pay money in exchange for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► product and then enjoy it and the phrase free-to-play that's the only time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► have to add words to free that's bad news you know like that that's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► USA PATRIOT Act free-to-play means not free to play No Child Left Behind get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Marco I noticed a flurry of what looked like productive activity over the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► week and you were apparently in iTunes connects what's going on man I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► trying to be nineteen states so I decided I mean I don't have that much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► say yet but I just a little less than a week ago that I I wanted another apt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► exist not the one I was I've been working on but I wanted something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► to exist and to use every day and and so my other a production work on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► component so far and I'm just about to start the iOS stuff but I I decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► have a second out but I was making just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► really really simple thing I am sorry this is gonna teach everybody in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► really cruel way it isn't that exciting it's a very very simple you know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► low functionality app but somehow I wanted so I decided to whip it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► and put it up for sale for $1 probably by next week and I'm starting out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► attacks I D issue with iTunes Connect but once I get there all that put it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► for sale he also what it is and it's really simple and really stupid but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► wanted to just I'm going to use it alot so so we'll see one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► reason want to do it not only do they want to exist but because first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► coming back into iOS development and keep in mind because of various timing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► of Instapaper in the magazine sales I haven't actually written iOS code in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► probably six months of top my head it's been a while maybe maybe five months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► either way it's been a long time since I've written I was code and maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► longer than that since I've written substantial iOS code and so this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► kind of a way to lure me back up to it get me back into it and just practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► before a tackle my next big projects iOS code base which is probably gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► non-trivial in in scale and I hope it's going to last a long time so it was nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► to have kind of this warm up round first to do a very very simple app and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► see if I can get away with this with Apple but I made the appt look like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► iOS 7 at even those written for iOS 6 we can be in the store now so I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► was kind of interesting making iOS 7 design and getting into that and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► faking all the stuff for Iowa sucks hard cap the magazine was Instapaper never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► made it to work but the magazine did and they are you know at first I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► but really need this because I you know I'm I'm perfectly fine doing manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► retain release an autorelease on and I never really had a major bugs with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► so I really didn't need arc for that but it is nice it's it's nice to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► know so so I i switch to the magazine during some point release and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► fine I I still don't really think I have much use for things like storyboards but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► they aren't as good as using Xcode 510 you can't because you can't build App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► so it's this is all using the old tools the oldest DK but writing an avenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► style and then I read it wrong when I was seven runs great cause I might my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► testing iPhone was 2007 but I'd like dig out my test phone and my old iPad our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► yeah it really it was nice I really do appreciate the value of practice you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► know and and and you don't you know when you when you get to work on tap for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► while it's you don't really get a lot of opportunities to practice with a clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► slate this is it was an app that uses you know API's and techniques that never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► used before so that was fun too and it's it's just a fun little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► chances are no one's gonna buy it accepting a 10 people or so but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► really care that you know its service even if no one buys it served its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► purpose already so is it using oral am no I haven't done that have you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► bowl now has two screens and they're both very very symbolic that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► even use interface builder for this for this app I I will use it when I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► you know when you're when you're laying out something relatively complex but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► this for this appt today was really not necessary I'll guess now it is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► wanted to tell you that I can be very exciting maybe next week available if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► it's available next week here my guesses ok my first my first and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► categorical guess is that has done something to do with coffee and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► within that round to think of like the things that you do everyday be a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► application to help you manage and the only thing I can think of not knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► much about coffee or anything you talk about is one of them is timing how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► very steps in the process to make coffee take and the other one is keeping track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► of your coffee supplies and times at the age of the beans when they were granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► it was my only guess we'll see how and I have no inside information on this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► tell John about his guesses about them just don't tell me now wrong and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► find out next week so what was it wasn't nursing clock was the other apt yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► can we started by saying that this is not in any way related to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► filed against klux even know where to go from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► I'm just upset because if this is a coffee clock then you would have had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► alliteration but now you'll all your apps will have to have the word clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► like they supposedly have to head out don't sell any copies there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► plugins and it also doesn't even have any kind of network connectivity to very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► simple app but you know it first of all johnnie totally wrong I'll just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► that now the real interesting topic though the reason why you're so wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► it's because I wouldnt uses out basically people always people work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► hard like coffee at people send me coffee a promo codes of time asked me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► try them out I don't need a nap to make coffee I really don't need a nap to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► track of my coffee supplies that's like I just know how to make coffee and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► know how my beans I just never more than like in the roaster was never more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► my two weeks old so go through them faster than that so I always know I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► some idea how old they are and the unroasted beans you know why they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► pulling a year or more even and i i'd never have them for that long I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► through them too so I don't need to keep track of that but many people making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► coffee like okay so coffee I just know how to time it because I do that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► single dance fine tea I always have to manually time because it takes longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► and it's more sensitive social like green tea works my favorite kind that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► like you know a two-minute brew usually at most and so you know you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► pretty persuasive that i dont i dont have a good and intuitive sense of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► long two minutes as you know just had to turn away so I guess use the built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► clock app with its with its timer mode I mean like I'm not a lot of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► huge fans of of having like very specialized apps for all the things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► do in their life and I just I'm not the kind of person I don't see the need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► a coffee time are when I can just use the system timer I I don't see the need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► a very specialized data tracking app when I can just use a text file or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► paper notepad you know it's just like a difference of philosophy opinion a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► of people just love super specialization in that I'm just i guess im not into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► all I do is you stuff like that I can't say that I do in china for example when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► I go further on a us-run monster a lot of people use RunKeeper you classify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► that as hyper specific I like using an app called glimpse when I'm traveling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► someone's house and and working out again this weekend mark when I but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► like using that as a way if I call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► reverser in verse talking basically claims just beams your location to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► or more people for a short window of time and it's really nice way if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► traveling for more than like 10 minutes for your destiny whoever their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► destination to know where you are actually really cool like when you first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► saw me that I thought this stupid why I'm not really dislike even what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► hell could this possibly be and and then and I saw it and liked you better come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► in our house once and we were like you know trying to get things done in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► and trying to know to have time to go walk the dog or whatever and it's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► to know when you expecting somebody now ok there 45 minutes away and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► they're right here or relative stuck in traffic going to be a little bit longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► you know it's ok you know if they're little bit late it's really nice to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► that stuff in advance so that's nice you go so it actually really cool to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► from the chat no its not really what find my friends for this is more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► short term but rapid updating thing where's my friends is more long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► infrequent and it also gives you an ETA which is nice I wanted to if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► mostly done with this topic I wanted to go back to something said a minute ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► Marco which is gave you practice and one thing that i think is important as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► developer with all three of us are is to get a lot of practice and one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► I found and I think about it talk about this briefly in the past but one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► found is getting practice in things that you're not used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► is always always always always helpful in so you had said you were using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► frameworks eg you're not used to an iOS so you're getting a practice in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► stuff you used to do which is I was in general but you're also expanding a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► in getting practice and frameworks that you're not used to my day today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► dotnet in so when I read whenever it is I sit down write a little Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► that scratches a different issue my brain which in turn I think positively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► affects the way I think about my dot net code and so one of the ways that I stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► fit as a developer is by trying to learn new things always and man do I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► grumpy from not wanting jobs because I've been holdin not learned stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► it drives me nuts and I i was just curious do you do you have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► you'd like to add in terms of what keeps you sharp as a developer coffee John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2212">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► email I don't know if you guys resent someone asked me last week I think I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► mentioning how once you know the basic concepts you can pick up any programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► language because all they're doing is just look for what the equivalence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► this concept is not like it ever found unity some critical mass of concepts so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► if you've never used language that object oriented and you try to earn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► money is you have a hurdle to overcome before you figure out the language first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► understand what object orientation is in various parts of it and second how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► this language do those things right and what you have this collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2250">TS</a>]
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00:49:27 ◼ ► the last couple of days when you had a massive influx of new users are held up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► really well and I have never really had any problem with that so far and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► even among the paid options I think it's one of the cheapest it's it's a very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► price I know Lex Friedman our friend and an ad salesman he macro-level into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► he he recommended feed bin was it was it the one that's not free feedly is free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► right I think that's right so he likes feet then the other one and what is $24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► here so david smith is actually cheaper and I haven't even tried for benefits if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► it's better than any particular way but you know for me P triangular it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► it's a sync service i you know i i would rather not use his first party apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► because I I have already have absolute like and so as long as you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► someone else's absurd doesn't matter which service you think with all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► matters is like cost and whether it works right and so yeah I i like it alot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► jaan just been ignoring this entire thing because I assumed actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and three days before the you know the show did I will simply look online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► there will be some consensus for some slot and replacement that I can use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► will let me continue to use the apps that I like using to read news that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► turned out not to be true to my disappointment I i mean i really like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► habits on that esoteric but I thought someone would just support the the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► and I could just do you know summit's host thing to just get it to magically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► work or I don't know what I expected by the people you know get everything to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► to go and didn't work out for me so I must do my reading with on the iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► reader which is different than the iPhone version on universal app I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► both of them but I I like never use the iPhone version so I have nothing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► can read on now on the iPad like I bought mister reader or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► that which kind of works but I miss I miss my Google reader with 2 E's so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► just gonna wait for reader to start working with some service that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► her years and I used that newswire on the Mac and just turned off sank into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► the old-fashioned way and I don't think it'll be that big of deal just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► believe it or not I know things I read I can understand which part of my brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► dedicated to keeping track of the last unread point in hundreds of feeds I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► don't have to do it now that I've read so I'm using feed been cause I figured I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► should pay for one of them but she'd been only is only supported by eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► hundred on the iPhone presumably will be supported in reader on the iPad and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► I guess I'll be kind of all set except for the cross device hanging out of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► kind of the testator's little I didn't like Google Reader you know I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► that it went away is just over now in a transition period it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► uncomfortable and a lot of the new readers i try to download and purchase a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► the new reader apps it didn't really exist before the Google Reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► apocalypse happened and I still like reader better so I'm hoping I'll double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► Compass sport is home and then newswire for I don't like the UI that I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► so far that so maybe I'll just keep using the new by three until it dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► yeah I'm with your newswire for I I was a big fan of 344 couple of years now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► for I just I don't like the direction they've gone that they removed a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► what I like and they haven't added a lot that I that I like in their efforts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► remove the other things but it's not done yet so i cant wait and see that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► true it's not that I think like there's a possibility that they will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► come to support all the things I like and you know by the time three stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► working entirely maybe for will be something nicer and I'll be disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► it's not because what's what's the alternative on the Mac I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► use a web app yeah I mean I I don't know why I use read it now because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► like I think it's the only Mac app that natively supports anything right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► if it's not the only one it's certainly one of very very few might actually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► to know if there's any others but I don't think there are it's it's decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► but the problem with read it is that it started out as an instigator pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► readability at and so it's really designed for that it's designed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► like a reader service client and they added feeds the developer had visits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► developed very responsive on Twitter everything here she ever get added feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► field support to it recently so it can now do all these things and I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► it's on a pretty rapid development right now so this all could change soon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► right now it just does not it just flows gracefully is not newswire doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► a lot of the keyboard navigation you know it's just there's a whole lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► missing details about net newswire that like you know when you build something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► into your workflow with which you know your Rss client your Twitter client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► these are all important parts of anyone who uses them and once you get into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► you know using the keyboard a certain way or we're expecting things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► disappear when you've read them or any kind of minor detail like that it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► gets in green so much that when you have to switch the the differences or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► absence of any of those things really really grinds on you are great on you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► guess and so read kit is is kind of like that with me ran out there I every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► I use it I want to set it on fire but I'm glad it's there and I like it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► better than new web app I've seen so far so I'm assuming is gonna get a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► better quickly because it really does seem that the developers being pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► active with it so I'm gonna hope thats hope that the turns out well we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► they should be money flowing into the ecosystem now because everyone's using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► over three and you know a reasonable portion of the replacement services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► apps charge money and so hopefully now this influx of money will result in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► whoever gets the most of it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► rapidly increasing the quality of their obligation sure I mean look at black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► pixel just looking at newswire threes code base and somehow made it work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► any other service for $100 and people would buy it you know anyway and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► a good question in the chat few lines up somebody who are now lost it was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► long ago asked how how blog traffic is being affected now that now that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► Reader shut down like you know I posted my status the other day and first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► if you run a feed crawling service please please for webmasters at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► number of subscribers in the user agent string when you felt the feed because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► it's a Google Reader to a few others do it it's very very important for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► to know if you look at the stats please it's very important to know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► strippers there are two feet in it and if you are running a service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► proxies the crawling of the field in cash is it so that it's not one to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► please report your subscriber counts anyway so Google Reader for me I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► like 54,000 RSS subscribers of 53,000 as the time of that like nine thousand or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► so was other aggregators as a few days ago and the other 46 or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► 42 43 44 that was all Google Reader so it was a massive chunk of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► it's always been that way you know that's it for the last few days when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► everyone switched over her and especially you know sites like mine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► daring fireball and a bunch of others we sell sponsorships based on subscriber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► numbers because we have so far so it's interesting I mean last night at like 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► a.m. I publish a major article so much traffic today's been very high so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► today's kind of outlier but yesterday was the first full day I believe without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► Google Reader being operational and traffic for yesterday and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► actually slightly up from previous day that it was it would but overall it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► a pretty average day you know it I didn't see some kind of massive dip down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► and I wonder I mean over time it's probably too early for anybody to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► but I wonder it for people who didn't do anything special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► yesterday or today on their sites like did you find any kind of massive drop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► traffic or referrals by the lack of good reader and and so far I haven't seen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► my side by side gets a little traffic that I give really getting a distorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► picture but I saw the shift away from Google Reader for my subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► numbers happening like weeks in advance and it shifted dramatically as you graph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► it was like it used to be like 90% Google Reader and then just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► other stuff and shifted like 50 50 weeks before the transition even look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► numbers post transition but I assume it's it's gone in the other direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► now and you know now it's I i'm i'm assuming my numbers might have actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► stayed steady because they're so low but I I was just trying to pull it up while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► you were talking to see if I could well as long as I'm using the same conversion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► of your terrible shell script but basically the exact same but it ranks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► the exact same very hard to figure things out parsing the user agents or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► whatever and ya ought to be interesting to see other member yet like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► surprised at how quickly like the Google Reader bailout happened before it shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► down because like the people the few people who are reading my side like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► super nerds I know it's coming in there you know trying out different services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and stuff yeah I i think you know to enter the immediate question of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► what do you do with sponsorships I think the biggest thing really is like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► gonna keeps on the web and selling them cuz I assume that even if I have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► drop temporarily or for permanently in RSS readership I assume that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► dedicated people who are reading the site and and who put you know any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► of thought into into reading this I don't care at all about it they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► probably gonna find some way to read it and and so there's not going to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► option for them and all the other people who like I didn't do the reader but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► hadn't logged in to Google Reader in like a year and that engaged they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► probably I'm guessing we're not really responding to the sponsorships that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► anyway so or even seeing them if they weren't really even checking it so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► just gonna advertisers and just see like you know are you guys if they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► the right kind of response from what they expected from my previous things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► have gotten them then I don't think it's that big of a problem you know I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► you're you're most engaged fans are still going to read you there they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► get their gonna find out how to read you if they if they are surprised by Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► Reader shut down there they're going to find out how to how to read your site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► for the most part and that's going to be it has all the really small sites that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► don't sell because they're just too small or they're at their owners don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► care enough to do that you know small infrequently updated sites where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► ask some of their readers to list the sites they read they probably wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► think of them because they don't update enough for you know there aren't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► important to them but then like you know in our RSS reader when they would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► their one post month all those people would see it and now you know anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► anyone they've lost my not come back as they might they might forget about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► that's going to be the bigger issue i think is for like four smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► infrequently updated sites they might see a bigger change than the bigger like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► I think I think we're gonna be fun right I think during fireballs gonna be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► but i think is a much more site might have some trouble but we'll see you then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► I'm screwed I just ran the thing I wanted a set of why am I still seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► Google Reader numbers on on the 3rd their crawler still running that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► they're there crawler somebody said that the that their API is actually still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► running until the 15th I don't know where that is sourced rooms that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3686">TS</a>]
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01:05:32 ◼ ► IOUs was massive adoption true for the new versions of Mac OS was not massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3932">TS</a>]
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01:05:54 ◼ ► changed your price from 0 to 1 cent totally destroys how many copies you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3954">TS</a>]
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01:06:14 ◼ ► the people who are still running like Snow Leopard and Lion out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/3974">TS</a>]
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01:07:22 ◼ ► can make it free they should I'm not ready to say whether they will but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4042">TS</a>]
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01:09:20 ◼ ► iPhone and if you're a regular person that's the only place they exist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4160">TS</a>]
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01:09:39 ◼ ► prevent a normal person from being very enthusiastic about upgrading even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4179">TS</a>]
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01:10:16 ◼ ► operating system that there's no panty stuffing the sandboxing the restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4216">TS</a>]
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01:11:05 ◼ ► doing all that looking for any apps that are gonna not work with the new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4265">TS</a>]
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01:13:22 ◼ ► played letterpress while not because I don't like it I just haven't thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4402">TS</a>]
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01:14:49 ◼ ► passed us by like it would have been awesome if we could have a SmartWatch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4489">TS</a>]
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01:15:33 ◼ ► watch was just some attractive person ahead on shot what they see as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► inside of his nose realizes it actually using it to Tracy Roger just be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSgc-ao/4536">TS</a>]
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