The Accidental Tech Podcast

20: A Box and a Strap

 

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  pronunciations already done my research going to pronounce the the fashion label [TS]

  CEO when we get there I don't even know his name as I read the thing but it [TS]

  didn't retain the name is it hard to pronounce his regular name is is [TS]

  somewhat normal but the place he came from i think is is substantially I was [TS]

  talking not americans have to be I was told about the company not the gentleman [TS]

  so I guess we can talk about that yes so Apple in the last 24 hours maybe forty [TS]

  eight hours while at the time reporting has announced that they have hired [TS]

  former CEO Yves Saint Laurent said oh no not too are not t eaves I did this [TS]

  research like three hours ago so now he lost it any way you can email mark about [TS]

  that amy is french so he should be the one that took the fall for us anyway so [TS]

  what is this for its a pity apparently has been hired as a as a senior vice [TS]

  president is a ride to report directly to 10 years he's basically a senior vice [TS]

  president of nothing in particular [TS]

  working on special products or special projects as opposed to all those other [TS]

  projects that are totally not special right exactly is not great and that [TS]

  could be i mean the the speculation for everybody and this there are also rumors [TS]

  about Apple apparently filing for trademarks for the for the word I i [TS]

  watch and a whole bunch of countries in the last couple days and so everyone [TS]

  saying all this is about wearable computing because this is somebody from [TS]

  the fashion world right [TS]

  yes it is but was born in nineteen playwright so exactly well that's that's [TS]

  one thing I mean obviously you know obviously a CEO is possibly not going to [TS]

  be the best designer at the same time like if you want to know about the [TS]

  computer market you'd probably asked him cook if you could so anyway so all the [TS]

  speculation is about this being about wearables [TS]

  and and specifically about a watch in all likelihood I don't know I mean we [TS]

  talked a little bit about a possible I watch a terrible name it just sounds [TS]

  like some kind of illegal observation but would you guys would you wear and i [TS]

  watch and do you think it would really take over the world I don't know see on [TS]

  the one side I am in Miami reformed watch where and i think im not to [TS]

  mention this in another episode but I liked wearing a watch but I i'm too [TS]

  cheap to buy the kind of watches I want which is like $700 watches not the you [TS]

  know multi $1000 watches that some people have and I think it would be cool [TS]

  to have a watch that function like I was one of those morons that had the time AX [TS]

  Microsoft watch known him talking about you when you with so watch it it didn't [TS]

  broadcast soap all over the place [TS]

  oh maybe an on and off i dont no no no I think 100 something else but I think [TS]

  we're not because well anyway so whatever wasn't like a deal includes [TS]

  SmartLink where's the where such a thing that communicated via the IR on the on [TS]

  on your computer monitor [TS]

  well it was it would flash like dem blinds across the computer operator at [TS]

  your right and and then hold the watch up to modern that's how you get my phone [TS]

  numbers in it and all that and it was really cool the time but in retrospect [TS]

  was terrible but anyway the point is I I have already given its like a thirteen [TS]

  year old loser nerd was already all in on the SmartWatch idea but I don't only [TS]

  have about a possible and even though I listened to a bunch of Friday's with [TS]

  faith and Jason talking about it did sound pretty appealing and a friend of [TS]

  mine phil has won it seems a bit early but then again if Apple were to do when [TS]

  one would hope they would do it better so I guess it's a very long and rambling [TS]

  way of saying I'd probably consider if not do it but we'll see what happens [TS]

  what do you think John it seems highly unlikely that I would ever wear [TS]

  in an apple watches I don't wear a watch it all I given the cellphone front I [TS]

  carry a cell phone it's not an iPhone but at least I haven't but I don't have [TS]

  a lot on the phone to watch since I think like a sports watch like maybe 10 [TS]

  years ago and I haven't sitting in my drawer that someone stole forever and [TS]

  ever and ever wear like I guess if I was going to go running and it is something [TS]

  to keep time I would take it out and put it on but it's hard for me to imagine [TS]

  having something like that and deciding even though having wanna watch for [TS]

  basically my entire adult life now I'm going to start working on the only [TS]

  scenario I can see that happening is if I eventually get an iPhone and there's [TS]

  some sort of integration and where this is like a more convenient way to get [TS]

  information without taking out your phone or something but even that's a [TS]

  stretch especially considering entering an iPhone via I mean I think it's it's [TS]

  also worth considering a note on my catch phrases but it's also worth [TS]

  considering that you know if if you would have asked people in late 2006 you [TS]

  know would you be apple released a phone with no buttons and no removable battery [TS]

  and no keyboard would you buy it you know a lot of people but no I feel did [TS]

  say that and when it was first announced but now we're all using either that or [TS]

  something very similar to it from somebody else and except for you but [TS]

  everybody else on this podcast and many other people in the world who have the [TS]

  means to get a smartphone go with an option very similar to that and so you [TS]

  know I have to wonder what could they do in the in the water watch like area and [TS]

  chances are I mean whenever people try to predict Apple products like new new [TS]

  categories before they're not just saw this is gonna get a faster CPU next week [TS]

  who cares whatever he will try to predict Apple products they almost [TS]

  always can only predict it in the context of what we know today for [TS]

  instance if you look back only like a month ago looked back at the predictions [TS]

  for the mockups for what a flat iOS redesign would look like [TS]

  and so many designers made these anchors the rumors were that Apple's redesigning [TS]

  iOS and it's gonna look off flat not far from the truth but you know what [TS]

  everybody came up with was basically iOS 6-2 gradients and it looked like this [TS]

  even the same color palette all the same funds all the same layouts all the same [TS]

  everything except they just removed the gradients basically and it was not [TS]

  nearly imaginative enough and Apple of course had radically different plans in [TS]

  mind for iOS 7 which now we know about and and and by the way a lot of it goes [TS]

  beyond just removing creations and the colors and most of the fat weight but I [TS]

  have to wonder in the water or in the way of the world even know what what are [TS]

  they gonna do that no one's really going to predict and obviously by definition [TS]

  we're gonna have trouble protecting us but I wouldn't write off the idea just [TS]

  yet [TS]

  Oh what if they are they going to watch am I gonna we're not because they really [TS]

  are more likely to do something that we hadn't really considered [TS]

  I'm asking myself as i'm listening to you is what it what is Apple solving by [TS]

  having a watch that smarter than your average watch and the obvious answer is [TS]

  well it's another way it's a it's a second screen for the device that's [TS]

  already called the second screen but it it's a second screens you not to pull [TS]

  your phone out of your pocket which is a total first world problem but I feel [TS]

  like they would do more than that that's not enough and I i keep thinking in my [TS]

  head well I think Tim Cook mentioned that he was a fuel man like you would [TS]

  said a moment ago for not mistaken he said he wears FuelBand I know that a lot [TS]

  of people have tidbits and I know that like Aaron my wife for example as if it [TS]

  didn't she likes it but it's not terribly accurate and so my thought is [TS]

  well maybe this watch will have some sort of much more accurate sensor that [TS]

  will have some sort of really nice integration kinda like Nike Plus but [TS]

  better but then again I can't envision how you can make a better sensor than [TS]

  what we've heard he got so I don't know what problem Apple's solving with this [TS]

  phantom watch but I got to imagine [TS]

  gonna be something that we didn't expect just like you were saying Marco despite [TS]

  the fact that I don't have an iPhone and I have been on board with the idea of [TS]

  Apple producing something that attaches to your restore some other part in some [TS]

  small thing small device like that because it makes a lot of sense from [TS]

  Apple's first like that for a lot of reasons I think we went through these [TS]

  Twitter maybe someone blogged about a while back but like back when they do i [TS]

  want for christmas came out people just listing reasons make sense it it's a [TS]

  consumer electronic device Apple's good at making them one of deals with [TS]

  companies and you know manufacturing so it's right in the wheelhouse not like [TS]

  they're making you know when Melzer something they're gonna be cheap right [TS]

  you presume that like you can't make anything that's not that's small not [TS]

  expenses like me and diamonds right so it's an expensive inexpensive means you [TS]

  can sell a lot of them because a lot of people can afford them you don't have to [TS]

  have someone who can afford 200 300 other phone plus a two-year contract or [TS]

  something everyone you know something is cheapest iMac it's going to be [TS]

  presumably very cheap and that means they can see a lot of them and a lot of [TS]

  people are eligible to buy this thing especially if they don't tight any of [TS]

  their marksman devices it's cheap and who who can't buy one you don't need to [TS]

  be a Mac user PC user you need to be computer savvy you don't need to have it [TS]

  up to your television and have a cable subscription or anything else that's [TS]

  just kind of like a small recently and expensive thing that presumably good [TS]

  margins on because it would really be cheap for them to make enough so you [TS]

  know forty fifty percent margin on this not crazy to think of and this seems [TS]

  like a pretty good progress characteristics that fit with something [TS]

  that Apple could sell a ton of a good margin and thats not outside its its [TS]

  realm of things that normally makes and then you really only question left with [TS]

  this alright well why would anyone ever buy this thing all these characteristics [TS]

  I agree with you saw them along with plastic protective oxide cost you $25 to [TS]

  make you know when you're make millions of dollars and I think it's probably not [TS]

  that complicated like Casey was saying all right so it's it's presumably this [TS]

  thing has a screen and [TS]

  presumably I can do stuff with it that I would normally have to take my phone on [TS]

  or before but that's not important enough reason for another pocket if [TS]

  everything comes together in the right way and Apple does a good job with this [TS]

  product I think that those those advantages that we scoff at now are [TS]

  exactly the thing that will make this a big seller and addictive device again if [TS]

  they do a good job is not defacto if they make something that's a smart [TS]

  watches fulfill this but what I'm thinking of us something about this blog [TS]

  while back that technological conservatism article where anything you [TS]

  described it doesn't exist now that removes some tiny minor annoyance [TS]

  real-life sounds ridiculous like goes it would be like my phone in my pocket so [TS]

  hard dick into my pocket then ripped the phone out of my pocket of my face turn [TS]

  my eyes to look at the thing that's so much harder than having to turn my wrist [TS]

  do not like it's not that much harder and you can make fun of people for [TS]

  having this thing but if you get used to doing the ever so slightly easier thing [TS]

  it becomes annoying to go back to the old thing and you know these things [TS]

  build up in a series of nonetheless I didn't and my article explaining like to [TS]

  look at any past invention you could've pooh-poohed it with the same exact thing [TS]

  and yet if you go back seventeen of these inventions known to live in a [TS]

  world without you know twenty or thirty or forty these things but they'll build [TS]

  on each other so if they can make this even just a little bit less annoying [TS]

  than something that we do now even if you were to describe it and it sounds [TS]

  ridiculous I think that that's enough if it's a good product of people like it it [TS]

  makes our lives a little bit better and it's not that expensive it does maybe [TS]

  want to do things to get people in the door to get that critical mass once you [TS]

  get used to having it and provide some benefit to you even if the benefit [TS]

  sounds incredibly lame and makes you sound like a terrible personnel first [TS]

  world problem and who need this thing and yet made fun of on the news and [TS]

  everything people keep doing it just think of all the things are like they're [TS]

  like not right now the smartphone itself I think that's enough if they do a good [TS]

  job of the products on I'm looking forward to what day produced again now [TS]

  that I think I'll get one but who knows [TS]

  like the thing is I think a lot of people listening and people send [TS]

  feedback [TS]

  get tied up with the idea of like what we like and use and what we think will [TS]

  be successful and is a good idea or not the same thing necessarily like all I [TS]

  think very aware of what our wants and needs are not the same as everyone [TS]

  else's and there's no reason that a product that we choose not to buy is [TS]

  necessarily a bad product or vice versa [TS]

  I think you know a lot of people like trying to figure out you know what kind [TS]

  of Harbor the watch will happen and what it what else about that and I think you [TS]

  mentioned a little bit about this to you know whether it would be kind of a [TS]

  stand-alone thing with its own its own device what they would have its own [TS]

  storage or be able to run its own apps what kind of centuries it would have my [TS]

  guess if they actually go through with what this and if the swatches real thing [TS]

  and and there there sure is a lot of smoke you know around that there's [TS]

  there's probably something they're all the all the technology is there [TS]

  obviously look at things like the pebble and other one whose name I forget but if [TS]

  you look at things like that obviously technology is there to do a SmartWatch [TS]

  but i i think it's always going to be viewed as an accessory to another iOS [TS]

  devices like just like not quite a second screen necessarily people use [TS]

  that term a lot I think that's most of the way there but I i really see it as [TS]

  like like for instance you've gotta figure out the power and will appear [TS]

  this thing is not going to have its own GPS chip it's probably not gonna have [TS]

  many sensors can have things like like a pedometer and accelerometer your biggest [TS]

  problem is the same thing you can have things like that but it's probably not [TS]

  going to have a lot of its own power it's probably gonna be just like almost [TS]

  like like a Bluetooth headset kind level of processing you know just its own [TS]

  Bluetooth thing using low-power stuff for piano whatever that is and and just [TS]

  end it would use your other iOS device and it might not have to be an iPhone [TS]

  maybe can use an iPod touch and iPad who knows it can use your other iOS device [TS]

  nearby [TS]

  over Bluetooth to do any kind of heavy lifting or even the iOS device controls [TS]

  it or god forbid a web application and also you know look at things like member [TS]

  when when panic tore apart the HDMI Thunderbolt adapter or navigation by [TS]

  lightning adapter and and found this tiny little ARM processor in the figure [TS]

  out that you know it's basically like a little tiny ARM chip running a little [TS]

  tiny embedded version of airplay that's a perfect size things going to watch [TS]

  your show of shows something like that in a watch with almost all of russian [TS]

  space being taken up by a big battery and a very very thin screen on top with [TS]

  the screen even to be touch screen has had you know you can't really as as the [TS]

  current iPod nano and that's a touch screen right it is I want to talk about [TS]

  that a little bit more I see this little thing has basically an iPod replacement [TS]

  because I used iPod shuffle and the only thing I think it may be having its like [TS]

  a lot of people are looking for an iPod as small as possible special like a rose [TS]

  or something like that there's no reason to think couldn't play audio with an [TS]

  incredible battery life except for the niggling details how does that get into [TS]

  my years because you're not going to have a cord running rest of two years [TS]

  but it has Bluetooth Bluetooth earbuds or something like that is that is a [TS]

  solution that would be attractive to with all the current people who buy the [TS]

  iPod shuffle again a bunch of almost cost them at this point 15 bucks to make [TS]

  myself like 3949 no I don't I don't see this thing having a lot of storage those [TS]

  I mean I really I really see this thing has like for this to be good it can be [TS]

  very bulky it can be very big and so you're talking a very very time and [TS]

  space in there and all the spaces dared must be dedicated to the battery is [TS]

  gonna be really challenging to get big do you think the battery is in the [TS]

  shuffle shuffle is tiny and most of the rooms taken up by humongous buttons and [TS]

  switches that will not be need to be on this thing the battery must be just [TS]

  cruise plays audio for hours and hours and I i think is spent a while but I [TS]

  think especially if they do they call this prototype stuff like you know [TS]

  curved glass order basically spreading the mass out in the curve shape around [TS]

  your wrist gives you a lot more volume [TS]

  in making like the terrible terrible things like you know a box of Matchbox [TS]

  sitting on top of your wrist strap I imagine this device spreading the volume [TS]

  of the stuff inside it across a much larger area than just having a box in a [TS]

  strapless boxes strap would not be Apple style so I think they have room for [TS]

  enough storage to say contain a bunch of podcast and a low-power Bluetooth [TS]

  incurred a net maybe BurJuman isn't that great whenever I don't think we expect [TS]

  to see this until next year but I think they could pull it off [TS]

  basically an iPod shuffle plus a pedometer plus some kind of you know [TS]

  screaming to give you information from somewhere and that's it you know I have [TS]

  a couple thoughts about this [TS]

  firstly a lot of times and I can't even wrap my brain trying to think of an [TS]

  example and i cant but a lot of times when Apple has new technologies you can [TS]

  kind of smell a see the smokers smell the fire from a distance and I don't [TS]

  keep up with the low-level [TS]

  technologies and what's new but I'm asking myself why are there any new [TS]

  Bluetooth profiles like Bluetooth Low Energy or something like that that's [TS]

  even newer that's come out recently that maybe would enable this sort of thing [TS]

  and that's kind of a rhetorical question I i dont know that we have an answer [TS]

  that right now and the other thing I wanted to mention was my friend and I [TS]

  think our friend Chris Harris he posted something very brief on his blog couple [TS]

  days ago in the chat and what he was saying is everyone is complaining and [TS]

  moaning about the icons and Iowa seven but if you envision those same icons on [TS]

  a much smaller device like the current iPod Nano suddenly that Safari icon we [TS]

  all hate actually kinda looks right and I just wanted to pose that as a thought [TS]

  exercise and I don't know if you guys have any input on that if not you can [TS]

  talk about something else when we did get a big hit somebody on one of the [TS]

  press briefings or something somebody got someone and Apple 22 comment that [TS]

  Iowa 7 was designed with future devices in mind and obviously I couldn't be oh [TS]

  well we're gonna make you know a bigger iPhone with auto layout that stretches [TS]

  everything you know but it could also be things like this it could also be you [TS]

  know well I was sevens new aesthetic would look a lot better than the current [TS]

  iOS and iOS 6 will look a lot better on a really tiny low resolution screen [TS]

  possibly I think there's there's something to that because I on a tiny [TS]

  screen you don't have a lot of space for ornamentation and you don't you can only [TS]

  discern like fine textures and things like that you need you need you need [TS]

  everything to be very simple though I guess having a bunch of text labels [TS]

  won't really work either and also I think we all agree this thing is not [TS]

  gonna run iOS anyway so no [TS]

  years of its life they have all that mean I think you're right I think it's [TS]

  this is really like this is the continuation of the iPod line basically [TS]

  a date they have all the parts they need in the iPod line already you know all [TS]

  they have to have a nice embedded OS they have all this stuff on top of it [TS]

  they have a lot of miniaturization and you know they figured out tiny screen [TS]

  navigation so i i do think there's there's a lot of smoke here like the [TS]

  iPod line has been diversion like it's been the iPod Touch which is basically [TS]

  like an iPod in name only and that's on one side of the classic kind of lurking [TS]

  there every other iPod has just been trying to disappear like slowly getting [TS]

  smaller and smaller until it almost disappeared like the shuttle almost [TS]

  there but must warn you can't we can't do that we can make it actually [TS]

  disappear we need something like it gets bigger and bigger and smaller and big [TS]

  insist they want that thing to go away and they can't get what you do with that [TS]

  I guess you clip it on your clothes you can't carry but its small size maybe a [TS]

  touch screen mobiles hide the buttons but then how do you how do you hold this [TS]

  thing and try to use the touchscreen the same size like they wanted to go away [TS]

  and so if you could strap it to arrest and relatable to watch that solves a lot [TS]

  of the sort of the design challenges of the shuffle and nano line as they have [TS]

  been trying to shrink away into nothing [TS]

  speaking of nothing that we were talking about the transition yeah I'm really [TS]

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  Marco I noticed a flurry of what looked like productive activity over the last [TS]

  week and you were apparently in iTunes connects what's going on man I was [TS]

  trying to be nineteen states so I decided I mean I don't have that much to [TS]

  say yet but I just a little less than a week ago that I I wanted another apt to [TS]

  exist not the one I was I've been working on but I wanted something else [TS]

  to exist and to use every day and and so my other a production work on the web [TS]

  component so far and I'm just about to start the iOS stuff but I I decided to [TS]

  have a second out but I was making just [TS]

  really really simple thing I am sorry this is gonna teach everybody in a [TS]

  really cruel way it isn't that exciting it's a very very simple you know very [TS]

  low functionality app but somehow I wanted so I decided to whip it up [TS]

  and put it up for sale for $1 probably by next week and I'm starting out a [TS]

  attacks I D issue with iTunes Connect but once I get there all that put it up [TS]

  for sale he also what it is and it's really simple and really stupid but I I [TS]

  wanted to just I'm going to use it alot so so we'll see one of the biggest [TS]

  reason want to do it not only do they want to exist but because first of all [TS]

  coming back into iOS development and keep in mind because of various timing [TS]

  of Instapaper in the magazine sales I haven't actually written iOS code in [TS]

  probably six months of top my head it's been a while maybe maybe five months [TS]

  either way it's been a long time since I've written I was code and maybe even [TS]

  longer than that since I've written substantial iOS code and so this was [TS]

  kind of a way to lure me back up to it get me back into it and just practice [TS]

  before a tackle my next big projects iOS code base which is probably gonna be [TS]

  non-trivial in in scale and I hope it's going to last a long time so it was nice [TS]

  to have kind of this warm up round first to do a very very simple app and I will [TS]

  see if I can get away with this with Apple but I made the appt look like an [TS]

  iOS 7 at even those written for iOS 6 we can be in the store now so I think it [TS]

  was kind of interesting making iOS 7 design and getting into that and and [TS]

  faking all the stuff for Iowa sucks hard cap the magazine was Instapaper never [TS]

  made it to work but the magazine did and they are you know at first I was like [TS]

  but really need this because I you know I'm I'm perfectly fine doing manual [TS]

  retain release an autorelease on and I never really had a major bugs with that [TS]

  so I really didn't need arc for that but it is nice it's it's nice to have you [TS]

  know so so I i switch to the magazine during some point release and that's [TS]

  fine I I still don't really think I have much use for things like storyboards but [TS]

  they aren't as good as using Xcode 510 you can't because you can't build App [TS]

  Store persons with that yet [TS]

  so it's this is all using the old tools the oldest DK but writing an avenue [TS]

  style and then I read it wrong when I was seven runs great cause I might my [TS]

  testing iPhone was 2007 but I'd like dig out my test phone and my old iPad our [TS]

  army iOS 6 devices [TS]

  yeah it really it was nice I really do appreciate the value of practice you [TS]

  know and and and you don't you know when you when you get to work on tap for a [TS]

  while it's you don't really get a lot of opportunities to practice with a clean [TS]

  slate this is it was an app that uses you know API's and techniques that never [TS]

  used before so that was fun too and it's it's just a fun little thing [TS]

  chances are no one's gonna buy it accepting a 10 people or so but I don't [TS]

  really care that you know its service even if no one buys it served its [TS]

  purpose already so is it using oral am no I haven't done that have you seen [TS]

  bowl now has two screens and they're both very very symbolic that they don't [TS]

  even use interface builder for this for this app I I will use it when I wanted [TS]

  you know when you're when you're laying out something relatively complex but for [TS]

  this for this appt today was really not necessary I'll guess now it is if you [TS]

  wanted to tell you that I can be very exciting maybe next week available if [TS]

  it's available next week here my guesses ok my first my first and only [TS]

  categorical guess is that has done something to do with coffee and then [TS]

  within that round to think of like the things that you do everyday be a simple [TS]

  application to help you manage and the only thing I can think of not knowing [TS]

  much about coffee or anything you talk about is one of them is timing how long [TS]

  very steps in the process to make coffee take and the other one is keeping track [TS]

  of your coffee supplies and times at the age of the beans when they were granted [TS]

  it was my only guess we'll see how and I have no inside information on this case [TS]

  tell John about his guesses about them just don't tell me now wrong and we'll [TS]

  find out next week so what was it wasn't nursing clock was the other apt yes I [TS]

  can we started by saying that this is not in any way related to that [TS]

  filed against klux even know where to go from there [TS]

  I'm just upset because if this is a coffee clock then you would have had the [TS]

  alliteration but now you'll all your apps will have to have the word clock [TS]

  like they supposedly have to head out don't sell any copies there is no [TS]

  plugins and it also doesn't even have any kind of network connectivity to very [TS]

  simple app but you know it first of all johnnie totally wrong I'll just like [TS]

  that now the real interesting topic though the reason why you're so wrong [TS]

  it's because I wouldnt uses out basically people always people work so [TS]

  hard like coffee at people send me coffee a promo codes of time asked me to [TS]

  try them out I don't need a nap to make coffee I really don't need a nap to keep [TS]

  track of my coffee supplies that's like I just know how to make coffee and I [TS]

  know how my beans I just never more than like in the roaster was never more than [TS]

  my two weeks old so go through them faster than that so I always know I have [TS]

  some idea how old they are and the unroasted beans you know why they keep [TS]

  pulling a year or more even and i i'd never have them for that long I go [TS]

  through them too so I don't need to keep track of that but many people making [TS]

  coffee like okay so coffee I just know how to time it because I do that every [TS]

  single dance fine tea I always have to manually time because it takes longer [TS]

  and it's more sensitive social like green tea works my favorite kind that's [TS]

  like you know a two-minute brew usually at most and so you know you can be [TS]

  pretty persuasive that i dont i dont have a good and intuitive sense of how [TS]

  long two minutes as you know just had to turn away so I guess use the built-in [TS]

  clock app with its with its timer mode I mean like I'm not a lot of people are [TS]

  huge fans of of having like very specialized apps for all the things they [TS]

  do in their life and I just I'm not the kind of person I don't see the need for [TS]

  a coffee time are when I can just use the system timer I I don't see the need [TS]

  for [TS]

  a very specialized data tracking app when I can just use a text file or a [TS]

  paper notepad you know it's just like a difference of philosophy opinion a lot [TS]

  of people just love super specialization in that I'm just i guess im not into it [TS]

  all I do is you stuff like that I can't say that I do in china for example when [TS]

  I go further on a us-run monster a lot of people use RunKeeper you classify [TS]

  that as hyper specific I like using an app called glimpse when I'm traveling to [TS]

  someone's house and and working out again this weekend mark when I but but I [TS]

  like using that as a way if I call it [TS]

  reverser in verse talking basically claims just beams your location to one [TS]

  or more people for a short window of time and it's really nice way if you're [TS]

  traveling for more than like 10 minutes for your destiny whoever their [TS]

  destination to know where you are actually really cool like when you first [TS]

  saw me that I thought this stupid why I'm not really dislike even what the [TS]

  hell could this possibly be and and then and I saw it and liked you better come [TS]

  in our house once and we were like you know trying to get things done in time [TS]

  and trying to know to have time to go walk the dog or whatever and it's nice [TS]

  to know when you expecting somebody now ok there 45 minutes away and they're [TS]

  they're right here or relative stuck in traffic going to be a little bit longer [TS]

  you know it's ok you know if they're little bit late it's really nice to know [TS]

  that stuff in advance so that's nice you go so it actually really cool to answer [TS]

  from the chat no its not really what find my friends for this is more of a [TS]

  short term but rapid updating thing where's my friends is more long-term [TS]

  infrequent and it also gives you an ETA which is nice I wanted to if we're [TS]

  mostly done with this topic I wanted to go back to something said a minute ago [TS]

  Marco which is gave you practice and one thing that i think is important as a [TS]

  developer with all three of us are is to get a lot of practice and one thing that [TS]

  I found and I think about it talk about this briefly in the past but one thing I [TS]

  found is getting practice in things that you're not used to [TS]

  is always always always always helpful in so you had said you were using [TS]

  frameworks eg you're not used to an iOS so you're getting a practice in the [TS]

  stuff you used to do which is I was in general but you're also expanding a bit [TS]

  in getting practice and frameworks that you're not used to my day today is [TS]

  dotnet in so when I read whenever it is I sit down write a little Objective C [TS]

  that scratches a different issue my brain which in turn I think positively [TS]

  affects the way I think about my dot net code and so one of the ways that I stay [TS]

  fit as a developer is by trying to learn new things always and man do I get [TS]

  grumpy from not wanting jobs because I've been holdin not learned stuff and [TS]

  it drives me nuts and I i was just curious do you do you have anything [TS]

  you'd like to add in terms of what keeps you sharp as a developer coffee John [TS]

  email I don't know if you guys resent someone asked me last week I think I was [TS]

  mentioning how once you know the basic concepts you can pick up any programming [TS]

  language because all they're doing is just look for what the equivalence of [TS]

  this concept is not like it ever found unity some critical mass of concepts so [TS]

  if you've never used language that object oriented and you try to earn [TS]

  money is you have a hurdle to overcome before you figure out the language first [TS]

  understand what object orientation is in various parts of it and second how does [TS]

  this language do those things right and what you have this collection of [TS]

  concepts you can pick up anything and someone asked what are those concepts [TS]

  like what are the laundry list of concepts that critical mass and what I [TS]

  told this person was basically like when I thought of let me see what they're [TS]

  only doing it actually pretty darn long list especially when you get into [TS]

  specifics like concepts that are specific to go programming and [TS]

  delegation [TS]

  you know I've been bubbling and things that are related to a sort of user [TS]

  interface type to get this laundry list for each one of those things and you [TS]

  know the server side programming whatever but so they just I thought [TS]

  making a list was not useful because it looks really actually is pretty long and [TS]

  the best thing for you to really do is to not try to go out and ok now known [TS]

  about the concept of coverage about the concepts and functional program now [TS]

  going to learn about the concepts you know closures and carrying stuff like [TS]

  you will not be successful by doing that the best thing to do is find a language [TS]

  that you're interested in using for a project that has one of these concerts [TS]

  you want to learn and do the project and then try a different language that [TS]

  happens have some other concepts and do a project in a language like you can't [TS]

  learn the concepts by like academically trying to learn what you have to do is a [TS]

  series of projects each one of which touches on one of these new concepts and [TS]

  that's why I was saying like once you've been especially when the two of them [TS]

  were using on T nine regions frameworks and API's I can keep changing all the [TS]

  time [TS]

  once you've been a programmer for a long period of time you pick these things up [TS]

  and I don't know if there's any shortcut I don't think you can like get the book [TS]

  with all the concepts learn the concepts and say now even though I know 01 [TS]

  languages I'm ready for any language you have to have done real projects with [TS]

  real API's would be all products and once you get enough of them in their [TS]

  different enough that builds up sort of like this base of knowledge and then [TS]

  you're free to you know pick up anything much more quickly so my advice is to [TS]

  basically do Rio projects with 30 languages and really be eyes and make [TS]

  sure each new one that you do [TS]

  doesn't overlap hundred-percent [TS]

  I absolutely think that's the right approach when I was first a professional [TS]

  developer I was writing C++ compiler for das which was kind of weird and then I [TS]

  taught myself csharp just by writing an app actually test common enough to track [TS]

  my time during the day because I started doing consulting gig and so I need to [TS]

  make sure I track my time and so I wrote a C sharp app in order to help me track [TS]

  my time and that's how I learn C sharp and I ended up doing seashore [TS]

  professionally install am [TS]

  my really really basic that's in the App Store I did that just to teach myself [TS]

  Objective C and i couldnt I couldn't echo what you just said enough that the [TS]

  best way to do it just to dive in but to do something specific and productive and [TS]

  and so i i think that's the best way not only to stay sharp but also to learn [TS]

  something new and again I can't stress enough that my experiences when I learn [TS]

  a different language or new framework or whatever the case maybe it makes me [TS]

  think about the stuff I feel like I know cold differently I mean I know seashore [TS]

  pretty darn well and when I learn different languages different frameworks [TS]

  whatever the case may be that changes however I my code in C sharp again [TS]

  usually for the better so I don't forgive me for actually doing something [TS]

  dirty on this podcast when someone you know I comes back from France and it [TS]

  started using like French words are eating french foods are doing like that [TS]

  happens like I read especially early in my career lots of Java books even though [TS]

  I only jobs program I ever did was in school I never did it professionally but [TS]

  a lot of the early books about like object oriented design principles and [TS]

  stuff use Java's their language or specifically about how to write a better [TS]

  application this one of the umpteen GUI API is the job was supported in its [TS]

  history and I read a lot of the Java books and I brought with me a lot of the [TS]

  concepts and practices from Java into my daily work in JavaScript Perl you know [TS]

  whatever I was doing at the time and you can see like all this person has just [TS]

  read some book on this some Java book or maybe just read the patterns book which [TS]

  did a lot you know the game for patterns book which is a lot of examples of C++ I [TS]

  recall correctly and for a little while you'll have that carry-over effect and I [TS]

  think that that's weird initially but it's good because it'll settle down [TS]

  eventually like you'll learn some new idea and you just want to use that new [TS]

  idea in the totally different language because you're excited about it and [TS]

  maybe it's not quite a good fit and maybe I'll be too enthusiastic and [TS]

  you're paying yourself into a corner but you learn something and sort of that [TS]

  will settle down you say ok I learned about this concept and I found out some [TS]

  language also has a concert now in use it everywhere too much it's not a good [TS]

  fit but now it's in my tool belt and now I have it available to me to know when [TS]

  and this kind of problem you have that kind of problem is that a pro [TS]

  like the helpful caring person as a friend of mine like to say there's an [TS]

  easier way on our way to learn programming language in the easy way [TS]

  doesn't work that's that's not the answer you want to hear but that's the [TS]

  only wisdom I have to offer from my experience is that there is actually no [TS]

  substitute for experience you just have to do a lot of things and I don't know a [TS]

  shorter way to get to to end up at the end power without going through all this [TS]

  intermediate points and 10 I think there is a slight not as Saudi shortcut but at [TS]

  least makes it a little bit easier doesn't saving time but it does help a [TS]

  little bit to slow down the pace of of what you're being brush with that new [TS]

  and 22 to reduce the chance of the get totally frustrated and just give up and [TS]

  stop I find it very helpful to take half steps so for instance when you first I'm [TS]

  gonna programming for the very first time and any language that you can't [TS]

  make a half step but once you know a language then you know maybe the next [TS]

  step you take is learning a whole new language from scratch but like if you [TS]

  know job from school then maybe try writing a web app in job because you [TS]

  probably didn't do that in school if you know a little bit of cocoa and just to [TS]

  see two you made an iOS app at some point try making a radically different [TS]

  iOS app using various frameworks but using the same language you know that we [TS]

  don't to relearn the language that time or if you if you make web apps in PHP [TS]

  then you already know things like HTML and HTTP requests and protocols and [TS]

  stuff like that so if you already know how to make web someone in one language [TS]

  that may be learning a language that makes web apps you know so you only [TS]

  taking a half step in some of those instances so it's a little bit easier [TS]

  and you won't just give up [TS]

  attended that has to happen actually during the course of a career because [TS]

  the next job you'll be able probably build on something you already know and [TS]

  so you will end up like ok well I did whereabouts in line with Jackson now I [TS]

  need to get a job [TS]

  so I have experienced bullying went out just companies different language you [TS]

  will find yourself running routes in a different language in taking my house [TS]

  that like all things were talking about yes you can do them on your own sort of [TS]

  as as a hobby or whatever but if it's your career you're probably not find [TS]

  yourself doing completely totally unrelated things from job to job because [TS]

  that's not think that's not a good way to build your career salary statue will [TS]

  not be increasing with each job change you will want to build on what you know [TS]

  before but you also don't necessarily have to do things that you're unfamiliar [TS]

  with because you're not going to find jobs exactly like your old job probably [TS]

  so they get that just happens over the course of our actual programming career [TS]

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  lot of to me that's what else we talk about i've been bossy the absence of a [TS]

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  that's kinda over I don't know I don't really have much to add a lot of people [TS]

  have asked what we're using I don't know if we wanted to do a quick roundtable I [TS]

  throw my weight and $19 whatever is behind a friend of the show underscore [TS]

  David Smith speed Wrangler I've liked it since the moment I paid for it and [TS]

  started using it it's gotten even better now that reader for iPhone is supporting [TS]

  it [TS]

  david smith's a good guy so you should give you some cash [TS]

  deserves it yeah I'm also using I also agree that he's a good guy also as a [TS]

  friend of the show and I'm also using feed Wrangler [TS]

  show notes as well as a coupon code actually purchase it but I believe he [TS]

  also supports stripe on the site [TS]

  ya like it you know I wasn't crazy but giving up reader back when I first tried [TS]

  it but now I don't have to do that so I want that to readers alike we rely on [TS]

  iPhone and so yeah I like it a lot it works it's it's fast it's solid even in [TS]

  the last couple of days when you had a massive influx of new users are held up [TS]

  really well and I have never really had any problem with that so far and and and [TS]

  even among the paid options I think it's one of the cheapest it's it's a very low [TS]

  price I know Lex Friedman our friend and an ad salesman he macro-level into that [TS]

  he he recommended feed bin was it was it the one that's not free feedly is free [TS]

  right I think that's right so he likes feet then the other one and what is $24 [TS]

  here so david smith is actually cheaper and I haven't even tried for benefits if [TS]

  it's better than any particular way but you know for me P triangular it works [TS]

  it's a sync service i you know i i would rather not use his first party apps [TS]

  because I I have already have absolute like and so as long as you're using [TS]

  someone else's absurd doesn't matter which service you think with all that [TS]

  matters is like cost and whether it works right and so yeah I i like it alot [TS]

  jaan just been ignoring this entire thing because I assumed actually have [TS]

  everything sorted out [TS]

  and three days before the you know the show did I will simply look online and [TS]

  there will be some consensus for some slot and replacement that I can use that [TS]

  will let me continue to use the apps that I like using to read news that [TS]

  turned out not to be true to my disappointment I i mean i really like my [TS]

  habits on that esoteric but I thought someone would just support the the API [TS]

  and I could just do you know summit's host thing to just get it to magically [TS]

  work or I don't know what I expected by the people you know get everything to go [TS]

  to go and didn't work out for me so I must do my reading with on the iPad and [TS]

  reader which is different than the iPhone version on universal app I have [TS]

  both of them but I I like never use the iPhone version so I have nothing that I [TS]

  can read on now on the iPad like I bought mister reader or something like [TS]

  that which kind of works but I miss I miss my Google reader with 2 E's so I'm [TS]

  just gonna wait for reader to start working with some service that I like [TS]

  her years and I used that newswire on the Mac and just turned off sank into [TS]

  the old-fashioned way and I don't think it'll be that big of deal just like [TS]

  believe it or not I know things I read I can understand which part of my brain is [TS]

  dedicated to keeping track of the last unread point in hundreds of feeds I [TS]

  don't have to do it now that I've read so I'm using feed been cause I figured I [TS]

  should pay for one of them but she'd been only is only supported by eight [TS]

  hundred on the iPhone presumably will be supported in reader on the iPad and then [TS]

  I guess I'll be kind of all set except for the cross device hanging out of its [TS]

  kind of the testator's little I didn't like Google Reader you know I'm glad [TS]

  that it went away is just over now in a transition period it's kind of [TS]

  uncomfortable and a lot of the new readers i try to download and purchase a [TS]

  lot of the [TS]

  the new reader apps it didn't really exist before the Google Reader [TS]

  apocalypse happened and I still like reader better so I'm hoping I'll double [TS]

  Compass sport is home and then newswire for I don't like the UI that I've seen [TS]

  so far that so maybe I'll just keep using the new by three until it dies [TS]

  yeah I'm with your newswire for I I was a big fan of 344 couple of years now and [TS]

  for I just I don't like the direction they've gone that they removed a lot of [TS]

  what I like and they haven't added a lot that I that I like in their efforts to [TS]

  remove the other things but it's not done yet so i cant wait and see that's [TS]

  true it's not that I think like there's a possibility that they will eventually [TS]

  come to support all the things I like and you know by the time three stops [TS]

  working entirely maybe for will be something nicer and I'll be disappointed [TS]

  it's not because what's what's the alternative on the Mac I don't want to [TS]

  use a web app yeah I mean I I don't know why I use read it now because that's [TS]

  like I think it's the only Mac app that natively supports anything right now [TS]

  that's not Google Reader [TS]

  if it's not the only one it's certainly one of very very few might actually get [TS]

  to know if there's any others but I don't think there are it's it's decent [TS]

  but the problem with read it is that it started out as an instigator pocket [TS]

  readability at and so it's really designed for that it's designed to be [TS]

  like a reader service client and they added feeds the developer had visits and [TS]

  developed very responsive on Twitter everything here she ever get added feeds [TS]

  field support to it recently so it can now do all these things and I assume [TS]

  it's on a pretty rapid development right now so this all could change soon but [TS]

  right now it just does not it just flows gracefully is not newswire doesn't have [TS]

  a lot of the keyboard navigation you know it's just there's a whole lot of [TS]

  missing details about net newswire that like you know when you build something [TS]

  into your workflow with which you know your Rss client your Twitter client [TS]

  these are all important parts of anyone who uses them and once you get into a [TS]

  habit of like [TS]

  you know using the keyboard a certain way or we're expecting things to [TS]

  disappear when you've read them or any kind of minor detail like that it really [TS]

  gets in green so much that when you have to switch the the differences or the [TS]

  absence of any of those things really really grinds on you are great on you I [TS]

  guess and so read kit is is kind of like that with me ran out there I every time [TS]

  I use it I want to set it on fire but I'm glad it's there and I like it a lot [TS]

  better than new web app I've seen so far so I'm assuming is gonna get a lot [TS]

  better quickly because it really does seem that the developers being pretty [TS]

  active with it so I'm gonna hope thats hope that the turns out well we should [TS]

  they should be money flowing into the ecosystem now because everyone's using [TS]

  over three and you know a reasonable portion of the replacement services and [TS]

  apps charge money and so hopefully now this influx of money will result in [TS]

  whoever gets the most of it you know [TS]

  rapidly increasing the quality of their obligation sure I mean look at black [TS]

  pixel just looking at newswire threes code base and somehow made it work with [TS]

  any other service for $100 and people would buy it you know anyway and there's [TS]

  a good question in the chat few lines up somebody who are now lost it was too [TS]

  long ago asked how how blog traffic is being affected now that now that Google [TS]

  Reader shut down like you know I posted my status the other day and first of all [TS]

  if you run a feed crawling service please please for webmasters at the [TS]

  number of subscribers in the user agent string when you felt the feed because [TS]

  it's a Google Reader to a few others do it it's very very important for people [TS]

  to know if you look at the stats please it's very important to know how many [TS]

  strippers there are two feet in it and if you are running a service that [TS]

  proxies the crawling of the field in cash is it so that it's not one to one [TS]

  anymore on our side [TS]

  please report your subscriber counts anyway so Google Reader for me I have [TS]

  like 54,000 RSS subscribers of 53,000 as the time of that like nine thousand or [TS]

  so was other aggregators as a few days ago and the other 46 or whatever it is [TS]

  42 43 44 that was all Google Reader so it was a massive chunk of the reason [TS]

  it's always been that way you know that's it for the last few days when [TS]

  everyone switched over her and especially you know sites like mine and [TS]

  daring fireball and a bunch of others we sell sponsorships based on subscriber [TS]

  numbers because we have so far so it's interesting I mean last night at like 2 [TS]

  a.m. I publish a major article so much traffic today's been very high so that [TS]

  today's kind of outlier but yesterday was the first full day I believe without [TS]

  Google Reader being operational and traffic for yesterday and it was [TS]

  actually slightly up from previous day that it was it would but overall it was [TS]

  a pretty average day you know it I didn't see some kind of massive dip down [TS]

  and I wonder I mean over time it's probably too early for anybody to say [TS]

  but I wonder it for people who didn't do anything special [TS]

  yesterday or today on their sites like did you find any kind of massive drop in [TS]

  traffic or referrals by the lack of good reader and and so far I haven't seen on [TS]

  my side by side gets a little traffic that I give really getting a distorted [TS]

  picture but I saw the shift away from Google Reader for my subscription [TS]

  numbers happening like weeks in advance and it shifted dramatically as you graph [TS]

  it was like it used to be like 90% Google Reader and then just a bunch of [TS]

  other stuff and shifted like 50 50 weeks before the transition even look at the [TS]

  numbers post transition but I assume it's it's gone in the other direction [TS]

  now and you know now it's I i'm i'm assuming my numbers might have actually [TS]

  stayed steady because they're so low but I I was just trying to pull it up while [TS]

  you were talking to see if I could well as long as I'm using the same conversion [TS]

  of your terrible shell script but basically the exact same but it ranks [TS]

  the exact same very hard to figure things out parsing the user agents or [TS]

  whatever and ya ought to be interesting to see other member yet like I was [TS]

  surprised at how quickly like the Google Reader bailout happened before it shut [TS]

  down because like the people the few people who are reading my side like the [TS]

  super nerds I know it's coming in there you know trying out different services [TS]

  and stuff yeah I i think you know to enter the immediate question of like [TS]

  what do you do with sponsorships I think the biggest thing really is like I'm [TS]

  gonna keeps on the web and selling them cuz I assume that even if I have a big [TS]

  drop temporarily or for permanently in RSS readership I assume that in a [TS]

  dedicated people who are reading the site and and who put you know any kind [TS]

  of thought into into reading this I don't care at all about it they're [TS]

  probably gonna find some way to read it and and so there's not going to be an [TS]

  option for them and all the other people who like I didn't do the reader but [TS]

  hadn't logged in to Google Reader in like a year and that engaged they [TS]

  probably I'm guessing we're not really responding to the sponsorships that much [TS]

  anyway so or even seeing them if they weren't really even checking it so I'm [TS]

  just gonna advertisers and just see like you know are you guys if they're getting [TS]

  the right kind of response from what they expected from my previous things [TS]

  have gotten them then I don't think it's that big of a problem you know I i think [TS]

  you're you're most engaged fans are still going to read you there they'll [TS]

  get their gonna find out how to read you if they if they are surprised by Google [TS]

  Reader shut down there they're going to find out how to how to read your site [TS]

  for the most part and that's going to be it has all the really small sites that [TS]

  don't sell because they're just too small or they're at their owners don't [TS]

  care enough to do that you know small infrequently updated sites where if you [TS]

  ask some of their readers to list the sites they read they probably wouldn't [TS]

  think of them because they don't update enough for you know there aren't that [TS]

  important to them but then like you know in our RSS reader when they would make [TS]

  their one post month all those people would see it and now you know anyone [TS]

  anyone they've lost my not come back as they might they might forget about it so [TS]

  that's going to be the bigger issue i think is for like four smaller [TS]

  infrequently updated sites they might see a bigger change than the bigger like [TS]

  I think I think we're gonna be fun right I think during fireballs gonna be fine [TS]

  but i think is a much more site might have some trouble but we'll see you then [TS]

  I'm screwed I just ran the thing I wanted a set of why am I still seeing [TS]

  Google Reader numbers on on the 3rd their crawler still running that's why [TS]

  they're there crawler somebody said that the that their API is actually still [TS]

  running until the 15th I don't know where that is sourced rooms that could [TS]

  be crap out now but apparently its terrain so I would assume because the [TS]

  API still running out assume the caller also runs the 15th at least so we will [TS]

  see over 50% on Google Reader as a that's great [TS]

  the beginning of January so that people should do that in fact I seventy-five [TS]

  percent 75% 9 reader so yeah I don't even know how many people read like just [TS]

  because the you have a Google Reader subscriber like it was always a [TS]

  difficult lol just because the thing is checking your site and reporting that [TS]

  subscriber number how many of those subscribers and looking at your feeds [TS]

  you know exactly especially for radical text feel like someone to go to your [TS]

  sites like traffic numbers the side you know that that's what people actually [TS]

  coming to your site me to do the normal unique IDs per day whatever dance on [TS]

  that and get a more reasonable number then like the reader subscribers I guess [TS]

  for good proxy because when it was when it was just google reader even if the [TS]

  numbers are crazy that we were all using the same number so advertisers could [TS]

  compare relatively right now even if the number is totally made up what you've [TS]

  got a 73 I don't know those numbers mean but seven is more than three [TS]

  you know they're both provided by Google Reader so there you go yeah I think you [TS]

  will be able to tell also just buy repeat buys right i mean obviously this [TS]

  doesn't help [TS]

  initial sponsors very much as we figure this out but you know if we see their [TS]

  sponsors are still buying repeat by then I think we're fine [TS]

  exact same thing applies to podcasts podcasts measurements first of all how [TS]

  you measure podcast downloads is itself very much up for debate because it's [TS]

  it's not simple because some clients will start multiple downloads their [TS]

  places like stature that the reader where they catch a copy for everybody [TS]

  it's even see any of that traffic unless you become their partner and sell your [TS]

  soul to the devil or something and i dont but castro is difficult when [TS]

  selling it to a sponsor kids like you know we say we have this many downloads [TS]

  per episode [TS]

  a good sponsor probably should although usually doesn't but probably should ask [TS]

  how you measuring that because that could be the difference of like you know [TS]

  four times more or four times fewer hits it's it's like it's that big of a [TS]

  difference of how you measure it and then there's not a problem as douchey he [TS]

  points out in the jet that a lot of podcast clients the biggest one is is [TS]

  desktop iTunes will keep downloading podcasts for a while even if you aren't [TS]

  listening to any of the episodes and so a download doesn't necessarily equal a [TS]

  listen just like for Google Reader a subscriber doesn't necessarily equal [TS]

  somebody seeing that it's it's a mess anyway I think we're good john Freeman [TS]

  works i couldnt resist and there's nothing like it prevents cancer [TS]

  works as a radical blueberry is different than radicals [TS]

  the question someone asked me on Twitter or whatever will Mavericks be free as in [TS]

  not cost you any money to download [TS]

  owed from the App Store I thought it couldn't be because of some strange [TS]

  accounting stuff I don't remember exactly that used to be the case I I [TS]

  know the we we are not qualified to talk about this I believe they changed the [TS]

  way they accounted for iPhones like four years ago to prevent that from being a [TS]

  problem with iOS updates and and for iPod touch as well right but I don't [TS]

  think the Mac might still be accounted for the old way I don't know if it would [TS]

  surprise me if they still have to charge for it [TS]

  John you're not about to leave the truth honesty is when they were showing again [TS]

  but the WCD know when they were showing the adoption numbers and the adoption of [TS]

  IOUs was massive adoption true for the new versions of Mac OS was not massive [TS]

  what's interesting is one of those what can they do to move that needle you know [TS]

  people free it's much better traction and 30 bucks right three also gets [TS]

  massively better traction than 99 cents which is counterintuitive but you know [TS]

  changed your price from 0 to 1 cent totally destroys how many copies you can [TS]

  distribute you wouldn't think so [TS]

  like changing it from two cents to one cent doesn't have the same effect [TS]

  January 1 2003 as magical right so if they want to move the needle on West End [TS]

  penetration and I think they do but I think they're kind of annoyed about all [TS]

  the people who are still running like Snow Leopard and Lion out there [TS]

  especially Snow Leopard Apple once I just want to go to those houses an [TS]

  upgrade computers like stop running Snow Leopard and that's the last good version [TS]

  you put out you know what they want they want to get those people on it so how [TS]

  can you do that [TS]

  lower the price to make it free if they can make it free for some accounting [TS]

  thing though I'm worried that like well he can't make it free because I'm crazy [TS]

  legal reason it's worth it to try lowering the price like it has been [TS]

  getting lower what it used to be I remember the price and it was from [TS]

  thirty to twenty right [TS]

  member with it but they going down the trend I do look at one point so they can [TS]

  keep going down it can be five bucks to ninety-nine ninety-nine cents it would [TS]

  be great if you could be free of them and if you think it why can't it be free [TS]

  like those in need that money if you multiply 20 bucks times assume every [TS]

  single person who owns a Mac upgrades and see how much money that is like you [TS]

  know five minutes of lunch day iPhone revenue now they're going to you know we [TS]

  don't have the money or whatever but I think pennants version penetration is [TS]

  more important to them than the money they make from this so I think if they [TS]

  can make it free they should I'm not ready to say whether they will but [TS]

  presumably will find out some point at some point before I polish my review of [TS]

  the talks about what the pricing is really bad if day before they release it [TS]

  and finally here's the pricing I think another problem I mean honestly I don't [TS]

  really think that the pricing of Mavericks really matters at all I think [TS]

  the reason why I noticed an adoption is not matching iOS adoption is because [TS]

  computers are generally and use longer than phones because of the pricing [TS]

  models and subsidization and things like that and there's a whole lot of [TS]

  computers that can try mountain lion that apple has sold you know four years [TS]

  ago and ever and and they're still in use [TS]

  you know apple computers have a pretty long useful life as you guys you know if [TS]

  you ever tried to buy a cheap one because you can't afford the full priced [TS]

  ones and you do you find used ones still sell for quite a bit of money and and if [TS]

  you sold one after you've used it you realize wow I got a lot more money than [TS]

  I expected [TS]

  max her and used for a pretty long time after after they're sold and so whereas [TS]

  iPhones like you know if Apple cuts off a two year old iPhone model [TS]

  compatibility that's not that big of a problem since so many iPhones are [TS]

  discarded after you know two years or sold for bargain-basement nothing just [TS]

  trade-in program you know it's it's very mean doesn't apply everywhere in the [TS]

  role of course but it certainly applies to a lot of of smartphone buyers and so [TS]

  you know if for Apple to keep moving that bar up for hardware I think with OS [TS]

  10 it restricts that alot more on an accident on the iPhone side but I was [TS]

  just [TS]

  and plus a store a lot more critical data I mean yes you have photos on your [TS]

  iPhone and if you're a regular person that's the only place they exist and [TS]

  except maybe I cloud but even beyond that you have tax documents you have [TS]

  financial documents you have Office documents that you can't get rid of if [TS]

  your normal person and so the thought of that going wrong I would expect would [TS]

  prevent a normal person from being very enthusiastic about upgrading even though [TS]

  US upgrades on max seemed to go really well most of the time it's still scary [TS]

  much scarier much scarier than on and I was not an appliance like the same [TS]

  reason that people feel totally comfortable adding and removing apps on [TS]

  their phone but don't feel totally comfortable and removing out on their [TS]

  Mac and the Mac App Store has helped a lot with that except they're moving part [TS]

  but still still different worlds they little planned upgrade iOS me this [TS]

  expected to work with if you think about it we know that it's not actually much [TS]

  less complicated on the iPhone because you know it is basically an OS 10 based [TS]

  operating system that there's no panty stuffing the sandboxing the restrictions [TS]

  really help the upgrade process have work on something that's a no-no in [TS]

  state jail broken or something like that but it's still pretty complicated and [TS]

  those guys must be swimming is people just expect your dial 160 right up the [TS]

  spine and their phone will be unusable for a while now come back into work and [TS]

  if it did he people will be living like this thing broke my phone whereas with a [TS]

  computer people accept some amount of like those going to be a big deal and [TS]

  had to set aside all day to do it and operates gonna even even we do I mean I [TS]

  certainly do because I know grand special case like I know that i'm gonna [TS]

  have to like rebuild the list often user local probably are all want to rebuild [TS]

  it because it would be a good time to upgrade stuff and things that link to [TS]

  shared libraries that aren't there are incompatible very weird esoteric stuff [TS]

  but even just making sure like all my apps are updated before you upgrade and [TS]

  doing all that looking for any apps that are gonna not work with the new version [TS]

  stuff like that like that's a pain and I know what can I do it whereas I don't do [TS]

  them like I published my review in the ninth grade my main machine for [TS]

  sometimes weeks or months after just because I don't want to think about [TS]

  having to do that and I'd rather just wait for the applications again updated [TS]

  so that is a big buried too but I think the $29 just doesn't help but like I [TS]

  said I'm not sure if going lower is worth doing if you can call a free [TS]

  robert is a chat room looked it up said $20 for Snow Leopard 1900 Burton line in [TS]

  nineteen for mountain line so if you're going to follow the pattern there will [TS]

  be one more $19 release and then down to nine dollars but then i'm following [TS]

  parents rely on that front camera of a cat and we're done that's it thanks love [TS]

  to do are two sponsors and hover and we will see you guys next week now this [TS]

  show they didn't even mean to begin [TS]

  accidental accidental john Kasay [TS]

  it was a team markle [TS]

  I haven't lost letterpress game in like 30 games opponents you're not gonna get [TS]

  to something like that for me I just kept by our place now just haven't [TS]

  played letterpress while not because I don't like it I just haven't thought [TS]

  about it glad that they let it rest outpatient does not keep records oh god [TS]

  you have no idea I would be like one in 395 I don't doubt it but I didn't give [TS]

  it is I'm always written for you know you're gonna make it happen like months [TS]

  ago [TS]

  months ago you came close this is it this is the game is gonna do you have a [TS]

  sense that game I was on cloud nine and then right now getting nervous yikes I [TS]

  got a topic to the notes that putting into this week I learned from my [TS]

  vacation strange ways that real people use iPhones don't don't don't get [TS]

  started because we'll go for another two hours but emerging interested what we [TS]

  think outside of the box and a strap what was that about [TS]

  like they have the pebble in person I find them so I've seen one in person and [TS]

  I could not believe how nerdy and and how large it was it was gaskets I like [TS]

  that yellow walkman [TS]

  I'd be like yeah yeah I feel like you're right the the era of most washes has so [TS]

  passed us by like it would have been awesome if we could have a SmartWatch in [TS]

  1991 but wow yeah but now like who watches I mean people like I thought the [TS]

  people who got the people would stop wearing it and I see them and they're [TS]

  still wearing it so I believe that it is performing some useful function for them [TS]

  and that function is probably not telling them that [TS]

  jiggle the stupid thing to make back like going to carry the screen I know is [TS]

  why I just wanted dick tracey watch even though it would be terrible in every way [TS]

  I just wanted to tracy watches that so much to ask the problem of the Dick [TS]

  Tracy watch when you see the crazy using it you what you see what he sees on the [TS]

  watch was just some attractive person ahead on shot what they see as the [TS]

  inside of his nose realizes it actually using it to Tracy Roger just be like [TS]

  nose hair vision I don't think I have video I thought it was just an idea [TS]

  maybe if you like the view of the person that person was like in a studio [TS]

  standing right in front of the things going head on right into them the making [TS]

  eye contact with the crazy somehow and Dick Tracy showing them the underside of [TS]

  his chin and nose [TS]