The Accidental Tech Podcast

22: Full Brichter


00:00:00   time boxing such like a consulting speak thing to say that means it's it's doing [TS]

00:00:06   a task but limiting it to a certain amount of time but time is [TS]

00:00:10   one-dimensional boxing doesn't make sense [TS]

00:00:13   well the thought is you know I don't know how long this test is gonna take me [TS]

00:00:16   or I won't time box it for two hours and see where you get any time bracketing [TS]

00:00:20   I'm trying to think of something that it doesn't imply a second image only you [TS]

00:00:27   would be pissed off the time of this probably regular English words civil so [TS]

00:00:36   you did something interesting our last night but by the time recording but [TS]

00:00:41   almost a week ago by the time most people here that's yeah I released the [TS]

00:00:45   new app for the first time in a long time how that go really well actually so [TS]

00:00:50   this this is my my few days project appetite discussed couple episodes back [TS]

00:00:55   and the app is called buckshot and it is kind of like sketch for iOS without [TS]

00:01:02   sucking so basically it's a very very simplified screen Thai at Asian app [TS]

00:01:09   where you get it just shows up on your screen shots in your camera roll and and [TS]

00:01:14   then you have to draw big orange arrows or boxes on them to point out certain [TS]

00:01:19   things in them and then email them or do something with them and that's literally [TS]

00:01:23   all is boxes and arrows orange on screen shots and the reason I created it is [TS]

00:01:31   because it was just a few just like couple of weeks ago I was I was like in [TS]

00:01:37   the back down playing with my kid and navigating through a podcast that was [TS]

00:01:42   playing on a speaker and I noticed yet another visual bug in downcast while I [TS]

00:01:49   was always doing this cuz downcast still has a few issues on iOS 7 it works but [TS]

00:01:54   there's a number of you I glitches and so I took a screenshot and I always do I [TS]

00:02:01   i whenever I see a bug in a nap whether it's mine or somebody else's I always [TS]

00:02:06   take a screenshot with the intention of going and you know once I get back to my [TS]

00:02:10   big computer emailing [TS]

00:02:12   or fixing it if it's my bug or something like that and usually forget to do this [TS]

00:02:18   and so what I end up with is a go through my camera rolling something else [TS]

00:02:23   and come across the screen shots of bugs that I have long since forgotten about [TS]

00:02:27   that are either out of date or a look at the screen shot and think why not take [TS]

00:02:33   the screenshot what's wrong with this I got all forget and I won't be [TS]

00:02:36   immediately obvious upon looking at like wait why why do I think this was a [TS]

00:02:41   problem so this basically buckshot for me was a way to give screenshots like a [TS]

00:02:50   workflow like to make an appt the dedicated for receiving them and doing [TS]

00:02:54   something with them immediately on the phone so it kind of gives me an excuse [TS]

00:02:57   to like myself oh now to have this happen to do this I won't just [TS]

00:03:03   screenshot and forget and also the annotation part of it is very handy to [TS]

00:03:09   prevent the second problem which was forgetting lied to the screenshot or it [TS]

00:03:12   not being a hundred percent obvious and having to describe somebody in an [TS]

00:03:15   exactly what part of it you're talking about so that's what it is and there [TS]

00:03:22   were a number of decisions I made along the way [TS]

00:03:27   mainly I I knew this was not going to be like the app that carried me in business [TS]

00:03:31   for the next five years and so I didn't want to spend a whole lot I'm on it and [TS]

00:03:36   almost every decision I made during development I had to balance against [TS]

00:03:41   like ok well I could do X Y is here I could do this this way or the other way [TS]

00:03:45   but that will take a week or that'll take too long or that all have ongoing [TS]

00:03:50   maintenance or something like that and I only wanna spend a few days on this and [TS]

00:03:55   of course a few days became better week but still a week for a nap really isn't [TS]

00:03:59   that bad relative to anything else even even with this app where its feature set [TS]

00:04:07   is relatively small and trivial there's still a lot of implementation to get [TS]

00:04:13   right and a lot of decisions to make along the way and I just a lot of work [TS]

00:04:17   to do you know screenshot the icon not like there's all sorts of like stuff [TS]

00:04:21   that matter how simple your apt [TS]

00:04:24   is if you want to be high quality even if it's simple you still have to do a [TS]

00:04:28   whole bunch of stuff so there's kind of just probably you know a whole bunch of [TS]

00:04:33   topics to talk about if you want but that would take too long I mean I don't [TS]

00:04:38   spend all day on this punk ass so I don't know what he goes what interests [TS]

00:04:43   you hear complaints complaints as do I was hoping you'd have complaints they [TS]

00:04:49   wanna go first case Iran media I actually have one in particular so I can [TS]

00:04:53   go first and then leave you the floor for the next fifteen ninety minutes [TS]

00:04:56   behind but marco was in town as we talked about I think last episode was in [TS]

00:05:02   town for a party that we threw last weekend and so you show me the apt I [TS]

00:05:09   think you would already sent it to the UPS Store at that point but it wasn't of [TS]

00:05:12   course and I had seen with John and I both had seen a couple of screenshots [TS]

00:05:17   but that was my only exposure to it we barely talked about it and basically [TS]

00:05:20   Marco handed me his phone and said are you go so in using the app I thought was [TS]

00:05:25   extremely intuitive I thought that the way in which you drew things was very [TS]

00:05:29   was very reasonable and made a lot of sense I wasn't really clear how to [TS]

00:05:34   delete something so I just tried a couple things in the second thing I [TS]

00:05:36   tried a third thing I tried was double tapping on an object and sure enough [TS]

00:05:40   there when so I thought that was really nice there is no demo needed it was I [TS]

00:05:44   thought is extremely intuitive I know you got some flak on Twitter about that [TS]

00:05:47   but it made sense to me the thing that I didn't like however is you took the easy [TS]

00:05:52   route which is probably what I would have done with the boxes in that the [TS]

00:05:57   touch target for any rectangles squares whatever whatever what have you there [TS]

00:06:02   the entirety of the rectangle including the inner part that's actually clear so [TS]

00:06:08   if you were to put an arrow or another box inside the bigger box that gets a [TS]

00:06:12   little bit dodgy in terms of how you select what you want to select and that [TS]

00:06:16   really annoys me even though I don't know why would ever run into that [TS]

00:06:21   well that an answer today I i spent this morning while adams watching Sesame [TS]

00:06:25   Street giving me some time in my life that towns of this afternoon so I spent [TS]

00:06:31   this morning during Sesame Street working on that hit testing and playing [TS]

00:06:36   with different things and I'm gonna change from 14101 I'm gonna make it so [TS]

00:06:43   that basically the challenge here and I i faces challenge during development too [TS]

00:06:47   and I decided to the easy way out but challenges I faced is so obviously you [TS]

00:06:52   know if you tap it and hit a shape you know how did how basically what the [TS]

00:06:58   bounding box or or what's the banding path for what should be considered [TS]

00:07:02   heading that shape and the problem is the shapes can be all different sizes [TS]

00:07:06   and this is a touch device everything's in in precise and precise so if you [TS]

00:07:13   constantly miss what you're trying to hit that's bad but the way it was [TS]

00:07:18   especially with boxes very future a really big box you couldn't draw [TS]

00:07:22   anything inside of it then because any tap inside of it would be considered [TS]

00:07:26   dragnet box even if the space inside it was really vast and empty so obviously [TS]

00:07:33   there there some middle ground here so when I'm playing with now is basically [TS]

00:07:35   like if the if the shape is below a certain size just the whole thing as the [TS]

00:07:40   bounding box and then if it's if it's above a certain size then only its [TS]

00:07:45   border plus a little bit of padding on both sides of the border that represents [TS]

00:07:50   the bounding path and similar similar thing with arrows well if the arrow is [TS]

00:07:54   below a certain size now it's just gonna be the whole bounding box of the arrow [TS]

00:07:59   fine what once it gets passed I think I think it is sad about 80 by 82 book the [TS]

00:08:04   boundary that once you get past that boundary and then the arrow itself like [TS]

00:08:10   its path is the touch area but it's all it's is a great example of one of those [TS]

00:08:15   things where like the app looks really simple but there's a lot of little tiny [TS]

00:08:20   details like that where I had to make decisions and experiment and everything [TS]

00:08:24   else and that's that's why I like I have a lot of developers upon hearing that [TS]

00:08:27   this took me about a week to really do and and submit probably would think a [TS]

00:08:32   week is way too long for [TS]

00:08:33   up to the simple but really there's so many little details like that and that's [TS]

00:08:39   what a couple time really like it you can make a really terrible at it in two [TS]

00:08:43   days and that's you know simply from from new project to submitted in two [TS]

00:08:47   days you can do that but there's very little chance to be good so what I [TS]

00:08:54   really wanted to do was I want to be very very simple but also good so what [TS]

00:09:00   was left on the cutting room floor and John and delaying your complaints but [TS]

00:09:04   was left on the cutting room floor that you wanted to get done that didn't but [TS]

00:09:09   you you did that as a conscious choice to get it out quickly I played with a [TS]

00:09:16   few ideas one of them a smaller version of that say like one of things I was [TS]

00:09:21   doing was some kind of state of marking which screenshots you have dealt with [TS]

00:09:28   already so like you know they do anything you'd that you wanted obviously [TS]

00:09:31   have to save the nation as a whole can of worms right there how do you save [TS]

00:09:35   restore these things and I know that then you have user data to deal with [TS]

00:09:40   Mike then do have an export you have to think that you know that's that's a [TS]

00:09:44   whole can of worms though it is now like you draw your boxes and arrows and then [TS]

00:09:48   you had to cancel or done it basically if you shared anywhere then there were [TS]

00:09:53   changes to done either way once you're out of that screen that that information [TS]

00:09:57   is lost I don't it's not safe anywhere and so that was mostly for simplicity's [TS]

00:10:02   sake and the time constraints but also like I feel like this is this is [TS]

00:10:07   temporary data anyway like the whole point of this is Anthony screenshot and [TS]

00:10:12   then get rid of it said it somewhere you know so that you can deal with it sent [TS]

00:10:16   in some other place and I for me just email it myself usually but either way [TS]

00:10:21   it was terrible but an easily know things to yourself is the best solution [TS]

00:10:26   to a very very wide set of problems unfortunately we still haven't solved [TS]

00:10:30   and better ways yet I'm sure everyone I'm I bet I bet even John Siracusa do [TS]

00:10:36   you still you know things to yourself in certain contexts IML things myself all [TS]

00:10:40   the [TS]

00:10:41   if it is it is the solution to so many problems [TS]

00:10:45   now what about airdrop as I know that they've made passing mention john does [TS]

00:10:50   not work between iOS and Mac and 77 looked much into it yet so yes I one of [TS]

00:10:56   my most frequent things like I just took a picture of something and I want to get [TS]

00:10:59   into my computer faster than photostream will do it was deemed myself it's so [TS]

00:11:05   many people do this anyway so saving data was one thing that I kinda punted [TS]

00:11:09   on and decided well let's let's see if this thing really justifies more time [TS]

00:11:12   investment maybe I will investigate doing that and end any other the issue [TS]

00:11:16   of ok well then like do you hide screenshots that you've dealt with his [TS]

00:11:20   you can't delete them as far as I know there's no API to delete things from the [TS]

00:11:23   camera roll from a nap I was probably for the better honestly but either is no [TS]

00:11:28   API delete things so I can't do that so I could like hide them but then what if [TS]

00:11:33   you want to see the same screen shot twice then you have to have like some [TS]

00:11:36   kind of you I for showing hidden items or totaling that the done state and [TS]

00:11:42   there's all sorts of like little things like that like well if you do this and [TS]

00:11:44   you have to add this this and this to make good and so that's it ends up like [TS]

00:11:50   saving data or marking things as dealt with are both bigger topics that I [TS]

00:11:55   didn't want to dress yet and the other big thing which a few people have [TS]

00:11:58   requested is the text tool being able to to draw text on the photos and a lot of [TS]

00:12:05   people have requested this I i back in the days of using sketch and Astronomy [TS]

00:12:10   Cast Lead I still do use the old version is getting the net but obviously texts [TS]

00:12:16   is is very nice to have but the problem on iOS basically is its implementation [TS]

00:12:22   the way out want to do it would be that you are typing directly on the image [TS]

00:12:29   like you know you pick a place here comes up and you were typing directly [TS]

00:12:32   onto the image in the big orange filed with the stroke me know exactly as going [TS]

00:12:37   to look with C wing style like you are typing directly into the image and doing [TS]

00:12:42   that on iOS in a way that doesn't suck 44 and other reasons do that on iOS is [TS]

00:12:47   not easy and getting easier version but I still supports 64 the SAPS [TS]

00:12:52   obviously seventh out yet for the public [TS]

00:12:54   can't make an app to the App Store that requires iOS 7 so I have to do I still [TS]

00:13:02   have to do this in a way anyway so doing text right on the image like that would [TS]

00:13:08   have been at least another day of work probably a couple days to really get it [TS]

00:13:13   right because there are so many weird little things will text input and I [TS]

00:13:17   realize that that you know when I would when I would email these things usually [TS]

00:13:22   I would just whatever commentary a head that required texts I would usually just [TS]

00:13:28   type it into the email just a subject just here's here's what I'm talking [TS]

00:13:33   about what the ceremony thing in the screenshot if he needed any texts so I [TS]

00:13:37   kind of figured that if you know if if most of the sharing targets whatever [TS]

00:13:44   your gonna do next after you draw the arrow and box on this on the screen shot [TS]

00:13:47   if the next step in your workflow is going to involve text input which almost [TS]

00:13:52   all of them do then I kind of figured Texas less important for this out and so [TS]

00:13:57   i i wouldn't mind adding at some point but I don't think it ever gonna be worth [TS]

00:14:02   the time to really do it well and i dont wanna do it badly right now to further [TS]

00:14:07   delay John and make him even more crumbly why not I was seven only I mean [TS]

00:14:11   obviously if you want to really see why can't all right but why not hold it why [TS]

00:14:15   not wait will because it's really useful right now as as everyone's apps are [TS]

00:14:20   breaking under IOUs its including apples and the OS itself it's very useful like [TS]

00:14:26   that's one of the reasons why I decided to stop right now is because I'm [TS]

00:14:30   constantly finding you are glitches with seven and whether it's in the OS or [TS]

00:14:34   other people that's running on seven there's so many problems because there's [TS]

00:14:39   so many things are different so many the Apple apps are are really rewritten or [TS]

00:14:44   have you know really kind of rough edges still so it really for this to be most [TS]

00:14:50   effective for me and I think for a lot of people I really had to get out there [TS]

00:14:53   and now during the Iowa 7 beta and that's that's why does require 07 busily [TS]

00:14:58   because I can't alright I'm sorry John please take the floor right so my [TS]

00:15:05   complaints are you know things that mark [TS]

00:15:07   do and he already named a couple of the one where you can't drop box inside a [TS]

00:15:11   box Casey got that will on March 16 2010 wanted to go and the I have had I was [TS]

00:15:18   thinking of like saving the screenshots and the annotations separately within [TS]

00:15:23   the apps documents silo basically as a roundabout way to get the same thing you [TS]

00:15:30   were talking about where you have some sort of process whereby you went through [TS]

00:15:34   the screenshots and did something with them and then they would go someplace [TS]

00:15:37   else and they would disappear from the main list and saving annotations in the [TS]

00:15:40   shot separately would be so that if you change your mind later you hadn't you [TS]

00:15:44   know that was my solution to highlighting the screenshot that you [TS]

00:15:48   don't see it on the main screen stylus anymore but you see it in your ones that [TS]

00:15:51   you've dealt with it when you see it there if you change your mind and wanna [TS]

00:15:53   reported everything you can add a different set of annotations the same [TS]

00:15:56   image but anyway you talk about those the ones you couldn't do you put out 101 [TS]

00:16:02   ready but I know I haven't heard him say I was one of the things I was trying to [TS]

00:16:06   get one version of this do happen from the device there's no way for me to tell [TS]

00:16:09   inside your application area at all what version I'm using is there some way in [TS]

00:16:14   settings I looked I didn't see any way to get a version number out of it [TS]

00:16:18   the toolbar buttons on top I'm having used iowa's have enough to know if this [TS]

00:16:23   is accurate but the highlight on unmask down to use yes I was actually just [TS]

00:16:29   talking to John Gruber about that he complained the same but the same thing [TS]

00:16:33   and so there there's two problems one is that I did not implement a highlight [TS]

00:16:40   state and so I'm going to do that and 101 just basically these controls are [TS]

00:16:45   all mimicking iOS 7 style or not totally ripping off and and and so i i i'm i'm [TS]

00:16:52   going to do that the holiday but I actually don't know I love to hear from [TS]

00:16:56   users are from listeners although I probably won't hear it in time before I [TS]

00:17:01   submit 101 as far and this is a really nitpicking detail but as far as I can [TS]

00:17:07   tell I can't figure out if there is a good way for you I segmented control [TS]

00:17:12   which is what this is that this is a real significant role just using you I [TS]

00:17:16   appearance to customize the way it looks [TS]

00:17:19   I can't figure out how with you a second control to do the thing where you if you [TS]

00:17:25   tapped out in drag your finger out and release it doesn't trigger it and I'm [TS]

00:17:30   using this advertising on sorry but I'm using the the UN control event value [TS]

00:17:34   changed mode here I tried the the control event touch up inside which is [TS]

00:17:40   usually how you do that and I didn't work I get it still just fired upon [TS]

00:17:44   touchdown so I don't really know how to do that I I only spent like two minutes [TS]

00:17:50   looking at it because it's right before the show so I look at that later but I [TS]

00:17:54   might not be able to fix that easily will see as a debatable at this point [TS]

00:17:58   whether it would be more expedient for you to go full picture on it and just [TS]

00:18:02   drive yourself around wrecked into your own hit testing and like it's definitely [TS]

00:18:06   not worth it if you're trying to be trying to take segmented control and [TS]

00:18:10   figure out how to like it there's no event for trying to figure out some way [TS]

00:18:13   to get his do what you want you could burn a lot of time trying to make the [TS]

00:18:16   existing at all do what you want and if you had spent that same amount of time [TS]

00:18:19   simply implementing your own really simple control it might end up being [TS]

00:18:24   washer but in adult probably also depends on burger because he has a [TS]

00:18:29   little bit more experience making well on from scratch if I were learned [TS]

00:18:33   portray would have written this entire UI in OpenGL and implemented every part [TS]

00:18:38   of you like it in my own awesome better way and spent six months making this a [TS]

00:18:43   habit but fortunately I can testify that amount of time and I'm not Lauren Berger [TS]

00:18:47   and so I it would take me way longer than it would take him so unfortunately [TS]

00:18:51   that's not going to be sure but I am i do I would like to get that detail right [TS]

00:18:56   about the but the tuck shop and text doesn't do that I was wondering like [TS]

00:19:00   maybe maybe this doesn't mean you're just faithfully reproducing but I don't [TS]

00:19:04   know no Google pointed out that on the Notification Center segmented controlled [TS]

00:19:07   all events or today with a thing on top Notification Center at that behaves [TS]

00:19:12   properly and what what you guys talking about and so I but I haven't had much [TS]

00:19:16   time to look at it yet probably right after we record the show I will spend [TS]

00:19:19   twenty minutes on it and figure out the solution but right now I don't have it [TS]

00:19:23   and I don't know if it's going to be easier not screen shot list the [TS]

00:19:27   highlight issues there is that there is no how it just seems the image up and [TS]

00:19:31   there's no like doing it or doing any sort of highlight to let you know that [TS]

00:19:36   you might argue like all your finger and the things we've got the full size but [TS]

00:19:39   the highlight and that's that's interesting that's a collection of that [TS]

00:19:45   sample collection bureau yeah it is but never used a collection of you so I [TS]

00:19:52   don't know whether this is the responsibility of the view or more [TS]

00:19:55   likely it's probably responsibility of the cell to implement that so I will I [TS]

00:20:00   will look at that and the collection of you can I can tell I'm able to reproduce [TS]

00:20:04   my should have screenshot of it but I was like I'm sure ability reproduces let [TS]

00:20:08   me screenshot but now I said we're going to landscaping you go back into you know [TS]

00:20:11   you go into landscape changes the layout of the thing and then when you go back [TS]

00:20:14   and departure it briefly it's two columns now goes back to three columns [TS]

00:20:17   and got stuck me to come for me for a while but then I just filter out the [TS]

00:20:22   TomorrowNow can get to get stuck with that's that's almost certainly a [TS]

00:20:25   collection of some kind of probably not your bug but I would watch for it in [TS]

00:20:29   your travels through the application one of the things I I did that was actually [TS]

00:20:34   a surprising amount of the of the coding and the getting things wrong and then [TS]

00:20:38   figure out how to get things right [TS]

00:20:39   was handling rotation because I didn't want to like so basically the appt only [TS]

00:20:48   ever-present screenshots full screen at a hundred percent skill there is no [TS]

00:20:53   assume there is no panning or anything and this was all for simplicity and [TS]

00:20:58   speed of dealing with it so you know there there is like the whole point is [TS]

00:21:03   to get in and get out very quickly to do just like any good workflow tool you [TS]

00:21:09   don't want the tortoise be slowing you down and Sara Lee so the app that the [TS]

00:21:14   collection the ListView does support rotation but the the drawing viewed as [TS]

00:21:19   not and so there's all sorts of weird complexity of like well if you're in [TS]

00:21:24   portrait orientation in the list and you select a landscape screenshot [TS]

00:21:29   the whole at basically forces itself to be in landscape mode during the editing [TS]

00:21:33   so you gotta turn the phone on the side and then [TS]

00:21:35   then once you're done it switches back to landscape if it needs to hospital [TS]

00:21:39   complexity lebed implementation complexity to to get around the need for [TS]

00:21:47   resuming and scheduling basically so there's there's a few things about that [TS]

00:21:52   I'm not a hundred percent happy with one thing I'm not happy with is how images [TS]

00:21:58   images appear in their native orientation in the list and so if you [TS]

00:22:04   have a mixture of portrait and landscape screenshots in your camera roll then the [TS]

00:22:09   layout it really inefficient and gap e and and it just kind of it is kinda [TS]

00:22:14   doesn't look good and I'm play with different options there I tried some of [TS]

00:22:18   them during development and I just like any other alternatives to hear here we [TS]

00:22:21   are at this but the mall to partridge you know I tried that and they were [TS]

00:22:27   first of all I'm difficulties doing that well but it didn't it didn't look great [TS]

00:22:33   and interpretation that well its I might revisit that at some point but it was [TS]

00:22:42   not it was not good I thought that would be the answer but it wasn't my final [TS]

00:22:46   last week that the first thing I thought of his after I draw these little overlay [TS]

00:22:50   things particularly arrows can I manipulate them after the fact you can [TS]

00:22:54   move them but you can't resize them or reorient them after the fact and I would [TS]

00:22:58   expect anything less we draw little rectangle [TS]

00:23:00   anchor points in the four corners so I can resize the rectangle and anything [TS]

00:23:03   with our lets me twisted around and stretched out to make a longer or [TS]

00:23:07   shorter mean like removing it pretty much solves the problem of like how do I [TS]

00:23:13   make it a point to something because if you start where I first half of my fat [TS]

00:23:18   fingers that's not very accurate but if you do it the other way where you'd [TS]

00:23:21   start with the stem then as I dragged out trying to point to my mother is [TS]

00:23:26   covering it anyway so there's no good solution that you have to have some [TS]

00:23:29   after manipulation and you allow moving after which allows you to reorient it [TS]

00:23:32   but basically if if the overlays were sort of persistently vector shapes [TS]

00:23:38   instead of being pressurized and just being able to [TS]

00:23:42   one that actually in the code they are and and the rectangles can be scaled if [TS]

00:23:47   you picked them the arrows cannot figure out that rectangle thing I spent awhile [TS]

00:23:52   trying to resize rectangles only mention outside the meeting started in signing [TS]

00:23:57   us yeah I mean one of the problems is just on the iPhone there really isn't a [TS]

00:24:02   whole lot of space to do [TS]

00:24:04   pinching and rotation gestures and it's really really hard to do with any kind [TS]

00:24:07   of precision the iPhone and iPad of course it's a different story but for me [TS]

00:24:10   I'm using is mostly on the phone and so you know whatever wherever it may have [TS]

00:24:14   to work well on the phone for this and so 11 big thing is I don't think well I [TS]

00:24:23   I tried very briefly in early development having drinks and rotate [TS]

00:24:27   enabled on on all shapes and it didn't work that well it was very very hard [TS]

00:24:33   again with precision it was very hard to to do it like or dislike to accidentally [TS]

00:24:38   or to avoid accidentally rotating something when it was pinching it or [TS]

00:24:42   like when you combine rotation and scaling simultaneously in the same [TS]

00:24:46   gesture it it it kind of behavior we're leaving there's this weird edge cases [TS]

00:24:50   you can get and so they were there were a number of things that just didn't feel [TS]

00:24:55   good with having that in place you're probably gonna like those old apps where [TS]

00:25:01   you tap the thing that makes the little anger things appear and then when you [TS]

00:25:04   select one of the anchors to clear if you're in our rotation and scaling mode [TS]

00:25:08   and the areas hit areas of increased like it like a full-fledged vector [TS]

00:25:12   drawing out on the on the iPhone would but also falls under the scope things [TS]

00:25:16   exactly how you gettin into you know 19 like every one of the things that you [TS]

00:25:20   had that needs you I and that a lot of times that need state and he said and so [TS]

00:25:24   they had so much complexity using the app and building the app that yes very [TS]

00:25:29   very quickly balloons in both scope of development and also just different [TS]

00:25:34   modes the app can be in different ways it could slow people down or confuse [TS]

00:25:39   them around after you sell the first 50,000 copies of this app then you're [TS]

00:25:43   going to get it working on the specialist ok if I myself have two [TS]

00:25:46   thousand copies I would consider doing that [TS]

00:25:48   right now and that something like a thousand I think so that's pretty [TS]

00:25:53   impressive and actually I thought of one other complained that I had when we were [TS]

00:25:56   when I was looking at it last weekend I apparently am the only person on the [TS]

00:26:01   planet that like shake to undo because I went to try that and thank you john i [TS]

00:26:07   complained about it and Marco definitely said in so many words you're insane for [TS]

00:26:12   even wanting that and I want to say underscore agreed with you but don't [TS]

00:26:15   recall so apologies underscore if I think we both agreed again apologies if [TS]

00:26:20   this is wrong David but I think we both agreed that shaking your phone is [TS]

00:26:24   ridiculous and I should never do anything it is ridiculous but I do if I [TS]

00:26:28   did try to find myself trying because I do I do I do a lot of times and although [TS]

00:26:32   shaking is ridiculous it's kind of the Union UIButton for it but you know like [TS]

00:26:38   maybe it'll work and sometimes it does it makes you feel good when it does even [TS]

00:26:42   on shaking you know iPod but it certainly is a really interesting [TS]

00:26:49   exercise in doing a small app and just like you've been discussing this entire [TS]

00:26:54   time cutting out what you don't need being able to spin a narrower rancor a [TS]

00:26:59   narrow I think would be nice but to your plane a minute ago if it's not done well [TS]

00:27:04   its I'd rather not even habit and I've come to that conclusion I think after [TS]

00:27:09   seeing Apple make that choice so many times like copy copy paste early on in [TS]

00:27:13   in Ohio West for example so it certainly i i cant say Ive had to use it yet [TS]

00:27:18   because partly because I'm not going I was seven but it certainly made a lot of [TS]

00:27:22   sense and I thought it was very intuitive with almost no UI so I thought [TS]

00:27:27   it was a job well done thank you and you know another issue with adding these [TS]

00:27:30   things like you know even even when i when i in development briefly had the [TS]

00:27:34   text tool in the tool bar that gets really crowded really quickly and right [TS]

00:27:39   now with the cancel button on one side the action but on the other hand the two [TS]

00:27:43   buttons in the middle on an iPhone in portrait orientation that's pretty much [TS]

00:27:48   full already and so the question is like you know if i if I wanted to add like a [TS]

00:27:54   color picker or additional tools text or somebody the changes suggested a [TS]

00:28:00   like everyday action blur or blackout blackout sensitive information [TS]

00:28:03   screenshot that's a good idea but like we're gonna go on the interface and you [TS]

00:28:10   know as soon as I go beyond 1 toolbar than the interview comes a lot bigger [TS]

00:28:13   and heavier like the whole point of this is to answer it screenshot a hundred [TS]

00:28:17   percent so there really isn't a whole lot of room to crowd the screen with [TS]

00:28:21   buttons and stuff and it's just like that were already full like what do you [TS]

00:28:26   do [TS]

00:28:27   really it's there's no there's no good option and so a lot of times against her [TS]

00:28:33   just well you know what it's better to just keep it simple and yet another [TS]

00:28:38   reason why I didn't really go for more tools is because I think an arrow in a [TS]

00:28:43   box and that's the essence of this kind to like there are other more specialized [TS]

00:28:47   things that might be nice like oh maybe you want to draw a circle or an actual [TS]

00:28:51   rectangle not rounded corners or a triangle if you enter something with a [TS]

00:28:56   big hollow triangle I'm sure somebody wants to do that and there are cases [TS]

00:29:01   where more specialized tools would be better but to have a nap and all that [TS]

00:29:06   stuff in it it very quickly becomes illustrator [TS]

00:29:09   very different like this show opening was a show opening last week that you [TS]

00:29:13   threw in there [TS]

00:29:14   the thing I suggested we were talking about this after last recording session [TS]

00:29:18   was the like you could you know you've got bak scenario replace box and arrow [TS]

00:29:23   with the ability to draw free-form with your hand and then and i dont let me [TS]

00:29:29   just pick color and transparency like pop over lets you pick color and [TS]

00:29:32   transparency is then you've got reduction circles arrows you know you [TS]

00:29:35   got my yellow highlighter that I want forty percent transparent yellow like it [TS]

00:29:39   and you just drop your finger on things and you can make a precise however you [TS]

00:29:42   can circle things you can read Act things you could square foot squares [TS]

00:29:45   around things produces a different result than you think you'll see from [TS]

00:29:50   this where you could nice rounded rectangle and ice are pointing it and [TS]

00:29:53   stuff maybe it's less precise as well but you would have enough to a bar space [TS]

00:29:58   for it would be like I guess just 12 about maybe it'd be about 214 color and [TS]

00:30:04   one for transparency in both on a popover [TS]

00:30:08   because there's no tool selection the only tool you have is I guess maybe like [TS]

00:30:11   brush size or something but it would be a different way to go with it instead of [TS]

00:30:15   vector art go with you know finger painting yeah I mean you can certainly [TS]

00:30:19   have been like basically a pencil tool would cover a lot of that if you just [TS]

00:30:25   added a 3rd 2010 was a pencil that would definitely cover a lot of these cases [TS]

00:30:29   but again as a whole but it does a lot of you I state that you have to add to [TS]

00:30:34   that then like you know whatever you know once you draw the thing then do you [TS]

00:30:38   pick the color afterwards or do you try to show the color thing somewhere in the [TS]

00:30:42   bar somehow space I have no sign of nothing and then the more things to add [TS]

00:30:46   to the bar even if you can make them fit then they have they have to be smaller [TS]

00:30:50   each and so then it increases the chance of somebody hitting the wrong thing and [TS]

00:30:54   being frustrated or doing something I want to do the same replace the box [TS]

00:30:58   tomorrow with the brush and I mean like 22 replacement things just brushing and [TS]

00:31:04   transfer it still in some kind of overlay or like dialogue or something to [TS]

00:31:09   pick the color and the transparency that's too much control to put into a [TS]

00:31:11   bar but if you but if that's the only thing in the toolbar you've got room for [TS]

00:31:15   like the one button to pick size and the button to pick color and transparency I [TS]

00:31:20   guess the pan and scan the check just suggest said zoom would be a handy handy [TS]

00:31:27   feature the problem with Zuma's it conflicts with gestures for everything [TS]

00:31:31   else so if you had pinch to zoom for instance then you can no longer pay [TS]

00:31:36   Shawn erectile to resize it you could be the first iowa's that but the plus [TS]

00:31:39   button in the car of the year ahead and assume is buying currents plus the [TS]

00:31:44   ratings out to get you the only I better not the first time sure you're not the [TS]

00:31:49   person probably use granted analyst and sign on a UIButton [TS]

00:31:54   zooming in and out all right let's get our first sponsor before I forget to do [TS]

00:32:00   sponsors this episode [TS]

00:32:02   our first sponsor is a new sponsor this week it's an iOS game called mind blitz [TS]

00:32:09   mind blitz is a twist on a traditional memory matching game of football cards [TS]

00:32:15   and try to remember what cards where they try to pair them up with the [TS]

00:32:17   matching cards [TS]

00:32:19   it's like that with action puzzle elements so it's a beautifully designed [TS]

00:32:24   game they have achievements highscores power-ups penalty cards they have [TS]

00:32:30   different gameplay modes of the Blitz mode an Endless mode and this is this is [TS]

00:32:34   really like a very deluxe fancy action version of that old memory card game its [TS]

00:32:40   mood you flip over two cards match corresponding pairs and you fill up this [TS]

00:32:44   power meter with every match you make and you get points than you can redeem [TS]

00:32:48   the points for power cards and an Endless mode the player compete for the [TS]

00:32:52   fastest time without the worry of a timer or penalty cars just just just [TS]

00:32:56   fastest time to complete matches and more pure version of the memory game and [TS]

00:33:02   it's a beautiful design I even had some suggestions for defeat for the developer [TS]

00:33:06   developer bought the sponsorship of two or three months ago now it is pretty far [TS]

00:33:11   pretty long ago and I had a few suggestions for like just some of the [TS]

00:33:16   time in some of the things and sure enough there you know he improved them [TS]

00:33:21   they're done and then the Aspen is very responsive to suggestions but the app is [TS]

00:33:27   really really solid I really enjoyed playing it it's a universal app this is [TS]

00:33:32   mind blitz universal app just two blocks down tonight in the App Store so search [TS]

00:33:37   the App Store for mind blitz two words or gonna mind blitz after com slash ATP [TS]

00:33:43   binding you let's play this game right [TS]

00:33:45   didn't look like this before I was having came out yeah I was always the [TS]

00:33:50   style it is very Iowa City right down to the icon I think to look at the icon [TS]

00:33:55   that wouldn't fit in with the chinese of color scheme you know that for the for [TS]

00:34:01   the standard building icons and I i play games memory games like this with my [TS]

00:34:05   daughter lot regards to put the physical cards on the ground and get them all set [TS]

00:34:08   up and I think we actually have an odd number of them so on and Zappos not [TS]

00:34:12   having a matching setting up the cards and cleaning them like I'm definitely [TS]

00:34:16   ready to to check into cyberspace and not have to you know what they say in [TS]

00:34:25   the nineties man or physical stuff everything's good [TS]

00:34:28   on the interwebs the interwebs back then but anyway they definitely did say jack [TS]

00:34:32   into cyberspace yeah it's nice not to have the cards on getting it and get it [TS]

00:34:38   for people who are playing this game by themselves [TS]

00:34:41   you don't have to wait for the sound to finish playing to go for your next peres [TS]

00:34:45   so it's possible if you're fast I have a more than two cards visible at a time [TS]

00:34:51   there for people trying to enjoy it actually wasn't one of my suggestions [TS]

00:34:57   the developer was in the the mechanics of when you have more than two cars [TS]

00:35:03   flipped over like how you know whether a match has succeeded or failed and yeah [TS]

00:35:08   he's very smart really this game is it's a fantastical implementation it really [TS]

00:35:13   is like a deluxe action card memory game and it's you know it's gonna bring the [TS]

00:35:18   best of the old with John cyberspace jacking and Gibson's or something [TS]

00:35:27   goodness now it is it really is a great game and the thing that bothers me about [TS]

00:35:31   the scheme that which I know I shouldn't complain about sponsors but it's it just [TS]

00:35:34   proves to me how crummy member he is arable at this game and it's because I [TS]

00:35:39   have the world's worst memory John how old is your kid that plays game don't [TS]

00:35:44   even go there six years old I do I'm pretty good maybe I've been home from [TS]

00:35:48   practice on the rug with this six-year-old I think the thing that [TS]

00:35:51   really helps this game is the really deep saturated colors they have a lot of [TS]

00:35:54   times I'm at my color not even helps a lot and there's so many nice little [TS]

00:35:59   touches there really is a very polished game so alright thanks a lot to mind [TS]

00:36:04   blitz that in mind blitz app dot com slash ATP or search for mind blitz two [TS]

00:36:09   words in the App Store $2 universal app great game thanks a lot so another thing [TS]

00:36:14   I wanted to ask you about mark since apparently this is turning into the [TS]

00:36:17   market show you've been feeling a lot with network attached storage these days [TS]

00:36:22   it's pronounced now as it is now how is it different from the thing you're [TS]

00:36:26   putting in the AM 50 it doesn't need never tell me about what I know you were [TS]

00:36:34   seeking different options even when we were WBC I remember being in LA [TS]

00:36:39   for presidio once and you were talking about us I get a Drobo she goes ecology [TS]

00:36:43   or whatever it's called what did you end up including in-house icon so I should [TS]

00:36:47   disclose so basically I decided through various research including mentions I [TS]

00:36:52   decided to go with Scientology center and she did we ever decide what that is [TS]

00:36:56   and I don't think so [TS]

00:36:59   the sponsor the shower and then they can send your pronunciation guide ok anyway [TS]

00:37:03   I'm gonna say scientology that's how I see it in my head so until somebody [TS]

00:37:07   correct me authority to flee art so anyway I decided to get a psychology and [TS]

00:37:12   ordered from Amazon and it was like a Saturday night so I had it was gonna [TS]

00:37:17   ship for like a day and a half or something like that and between Tommy [TS]

00:37:21   ordered it and when I was going to ship a representative from psychology saw me [TS]

00:37:25   tweeting about the stuff and offered to get send me the thing for free which is [TS]

00:37:29   very very nice of them and so i cant and and they were they very generously sent [TS]

00:37:34   me the one I was going to get for free just so I could have some experience [TS]

00:37:38   with it and they aren't sponsoring the show but there was a very nice thing to [TS]

00:37:41   do and so it's worth mentioning that it also obviously is required for probably [TS]

00:37:46   a sensible disclosure reasons for me to tell you that anyway so I i've i've had [TS]

00:37:54   a lot of time with it and I still have a lot to do with it I I haven't done that [TS]

00:38:00   once the speakers like I I thought it up with a whole bunch of like 12 and four [TS]

00:38:04   terabyte hard drive to have lying around so it's a pretty long time to to alter [TS]

00:38:11   anything that involves like 12 terabytes of ross go ahead like you know it's the [TS]

00:38:18   kind of thing you know you are I wanna let me try this volume in this other [TS]

00:38:20   kind of structure alright star and I'll come back you know midday tomorrow will [TS]

00:38:24   be done now let me interrupt you I should have asked you to start off what [TS]

00:38:28   problem or problems were you looking to solve by getting this device that's [TS]

00:38:32   that's a very good question alright so the main reason I wanted to get into [TS]

00:38:37   network attached storage is that I've always loved having internal hard drives [TS]

00:38:42   in the Mac Pro as we talked about this before just like John I love internal [TS]

00:38:46   drives because what I really really hate more than anything is a desk covered and [TS]

00:38:51   harder enclosures [TS]

00:38:52   and his heart of enclosures are terrible and they have usually either really bad [TS]

00:38:57   cooling or no cooling so it results in either a tiny like forty millimeter [TS]

00:39:02   readily fan on your desk all the time going and making too much noise or no [TS]

00:39:08   cooling in the heart of everything dies in a year and a half either way is bad [TS]

00:39:11   and enclosures are kind of overpriced if you get them empty and if you get them [TS]

00:39:18   folded like from from people like Mike Seagate Western Digital then they [TS]

00:39:23   usually have a really kind of oddly cheap construction and just kind of [TS]

00:39:28   weird it's very hard to get one that's not USB that's that's actually [TS]

00:39:32   reasonably priced like USB ones are always cheap if you historically if you [TS]

00:39:36   wanted a good speed have to go like firewire 800 and those are very [TS]

00:39:39   expensive these days you have Thunderbolt or USB 3 choose from at [TS]

00:39:44   least usb3 is finally good but anyway I don't like little individual disk [TS]

00:39:50   enclosures and I don't like having to have my on my desk and having more wires [TS]

00:39:53   and more things that make noise right in front of me and more power bricks and [TS]

00:39:57   although I don't forget the stupid power adapter yes everything on the drive [TS]

00:40:01   seems to have its own cheap little terrible power adapter and brick the [TS]

00:40:06   United like it's always like a brick and cord hanging from its you've got these [TS]

00:40:09   bricks littering the floor need to find someplace to put them I just ordered a [TS]

00:40:15   drive enclosures that were complaining about the way I've been getting these [TS]

00:40:20   ones from other World Computing but it's really pro yeah they're not my favorite [TS]

00:40:28   but they're not terrible terrible [TS]

00:40:32   construction but they're very expensive I don't know I don't like much about [TS]

00:40:36   them but I have had several of them and unlike almost every other kind of gotten [TS]

00:40:40   the power brakes have not died so thumbs up on that although they are big and [TS]

00:40:44   bulky the power brick is the weakest component these things and they guys and [TS]

00:40:50   then you're just left the diseases they are not got it because I have spare [TS]

00:40:53   drives hanging around I'm doing lots of Mavericks testing and unlike you know [TS]

00:40:57   that I could really use one more spare drives and I have the mechanisms I just [TS]

00:41:01   have to keep likes popping in and out of my Mac Pro and I need to be able to hook [TS]

00:41:04   it up to a laptop so I just get one more enclosure and I looked around for like a [TS]

00:41:09   thunderbolt enclosures but it's like now I don't spend that much money just won [TS]

00:41:14   the promised honorable what we're gonna work on computers that I would need to [TS]

00:41:19   test by Bob Arnold I'm in the same situation as Marco I like my internal [TS]

00:41:24   drives and I'm sure what he's leading to is that you know eventually we're going [TS]

00:41:27   to a computer is probably gonna get the Mac Pro and if we do know that that's [TS]

00:41:32   exactly it i mean it isn't just about that it's you know if you can move to a [TS]

00:41:37   world where you don't need a whole bunch of internal drives then you can bet that [TS]

00:41:42   that enables you to switch to the new Mac Pro if you want to order a laptop [TS]

00:41:45   full-time or to switch to an iMac that have been discovered in hard drive [TS]

00:41:49   enclosures like there's there's all sorts of benefits of simplifying it [TS]

00:41:53   happen adding flexibility to shifting a lot of the stuff to a network attached [TS]

00:41:57   storage box also just for physical reasons I like not having that crap all [TS]

00:42:03   over my desk a network attacks now I can put anywhere in the house that has [TS]

00:42:06   networking which [TS]

00:42:07   anything really tolerate what you can put it really anywhere for me I like [TS]

00:42:11   things wire but I got when I had my house attraction I did run cat5 wiring [TS]

00:42:15   cuts expiring to most of the room so I actually have mine in my butt basically [TS]

00:42:22   my server closet which is just the closet in my office that I install an [TS]

00:42:26   outlet to network ports [TS]

00:42:28   infections but the router and the printer and I like all the crap are you [TS]

00:42:33   worried about heat inside a closet I was worried it is a very big closet and so [TS]

00:42:39   and so it basically might my stress test was I feel the psychology with eight [TS]

00:42:44   discs and had it like restructure the IRA by every bill derailed by replacing [TS]

00:42:50   with the discs and closed the door and left in July 48 hours and I i came the [TS]

00:42:56   second open the door and it was it was like one degree hotter than the room [TS]

00:43:02   next to it so it wasn't it wasn't a meaningful problem I don't think anyway [TS]

00:43:08   I still like it because it's the closets like 10 feet from my chair I still go [TS]

00:43:13   over there and we'll walk in periodically to check the temperature to [TS]

00:43:16   make sure it's not going to hurt but so far it never has so I don't think it's [TS]

00:43:19   going to be a problem anyway so you know my goal really here was just flexibility [TS]

00:43:25   and so I can get away from requiring a big hard drive or requiring multiple big [TS]

00:43:31   hard drives in my main computer because obviously that world is ending in and [TS]

00:43:38   Max the current Mac Pro is the only one that can do that and it's going to pass [TS]

00:43:43   even know the retina MacBook Pro doesn't even have to base any more like the old [TS]

00:43:49   ones you could put you can replace the DVD ROM Drive with a second hard drive [TS]

00:43:52   bay which I did for a while you could do that you know the new one you can't do [TS]

00:43:57   that the iMac still has two bays has like a nasty ban and big drive bay but I [TS]

00:44:01   bet the days of that are fairly number of that goes away probably within three [TS]

00:44:06   or four years so you know obviously we're moving away from having any kind [TS]

00:44:11   of replaceable drives in Max let alone multiple base so and again also you know [TS]

00:44:18   if if you have networked storage then you can also do things like get a [TS]

00:44:21   religious get an SSD for your only drive in your computer or get a computer as [TS]

00:44:25   these are the only option and not be too constrained by the size of the SST so [TS]

00:44:30   all these things very very good very important and very basically it's adding [TS]

00:44:38   some slight time and investment now to add a lot of flexibility in the future [TS]

00:44:43   so that's why I decided to do this I done a few things that I do I have time [TS]

00:44:49   machine running to it right now have the drive is one giant array using their [TS]

00:44:55   dynamic recent thing which is kinda similar to what drivers do I think I [TS]

00:45:00   don't know exactly what I'm pretty sure it's the same kind of thing which is [TS]

00:45:03   it's like a like a software to dynamic raid where it's the kind of doubt be [TS]

00:45:10   managed storage for you I don't think you have to any kind of direct block [TS]

00:45:13   access to us they can do that so you can like you can like pop out a small drive [TS]

00:45:16   and had a bigger drive and expands the array to have more space stuff like that [TS]

00:45:21   so I tried I'm trying that now joining I don't like about that setup is that it [TS]

00:45:26   requires all eight discs to be reading and writing whenever anything is [TS]

00:45:30   accessed and so it's loud and it's keeping all them spend up almost all the [TS]

00:45:36   time and that's just it is inefficient kind of elegant so I think we're going [TS]

00:45:41   to do I still have a spare drives lying around that I can I can move stuff [TS]

00:45:45   around pretty easy going to break that I raped by tomorrow or the next day and [TS]

00:45:49   split up into like you know one for my Time Machine 14 tests I machine and 14 [TS]

00:45:55   like our our been archived and maybe that was expendable but I machines are [TS]

00:45:58   in one big concern here is back up and so you guys both have you both have back [TS]

00:46:07   please [TS]

00:46:07   now use crashed I'm really have both really curious what do you what's your [TS]

00:46:15   split their John Lee what do you see them for my computers back plays my [TS]

00:46:19   wife's is crashed and that's more redundancy ICM yeah basically like I I [TS]

00:46:25   got back players years ago I don't even know around at least I didn't know about [TS]

00:46:30   and when it came time to get it back up things from my stand like you know what [TS]

00:46:33   modern I get a different one mostly just like crash-landed to be getting good [TS]

00:46:38   reviews and I want to give it a try and if it if it's way better than elsewhere [TS]

00:46:41   and it's basically been awash like it never changes in suspenders to both so I [TS]

00:46:45   just a little too having two different ones and yeah probably be cheaper for me [TS]

00:46:49   to consolidate on one but I like having two different ones and her computers all [TS]

00:46:53   SSD business meeting disc so any problems from like in efficiencies due [TS]

00:46:59   to a job or something I assume they're being masked by her by her philosophy [TS]

00:47:04   set up and so I'm happy with that there and I'm happy with this year and so I [TS]

00:47:07   just sticking with it for now I mean for me i i actually I have both also but I [TS]

00:47:11   CrashPlan I basically bought for my mom's computer [TS]

00:47:15   and what one tonight about it as I get emails you like it weekly I think report [TS]

00:47:21   of your backup status so I can tell like it my mom's computer hasn't backed up in [TS]

00:47:26   two months I can tell you I should probably fix that somehow next time I go [TS]

00:47:30   see her or call her and tell her how to fix it so it's nice when you like when [TS]

00:47:35   you want to be update on the status of things it is very very nice for that but [TS]

00:47:40   my promise CrashPlan is that from my house it's just extremely slow to upload [TS]

00:47:46   I've seen so many people online talking about similar problems with the crash my [TS]

00:47:50   particular it seems like a pretty widespread issue that even though I have [TS]

00:47:54   this massive upstream pipe they can only use like 2.1 mega bits of it and I tried [TS]

00:47:59   all their tips every like all their things like turn off encryption or [TS]

00:48:03   changes buffer size or changes none of them had any effect on that cap and they [TS]

00:48:09   just seems like it just depends on like whatever CrashPlan notice nearest to you [TS]

00:48:13   you know whatever you get assigned to like it [TS]

00:48:15   some of them are just slow are overcrowded and some of them are in so I [TS]

00:48:19   i Paisley can use crash myself every time I looked into that it's come down [TS]

00:48:22   to like you know it's like your distance from the data center that is [TS]

00:48:26   transferring 7 into its like geography where Peter on what the what the route [TS]

00:48:31   is to the server your eventual connecting to and so like it's hard to [TS]

00:48:35   some people seldom ensuring a crash now but maybe CrashPlan CrashPlan know that [TS]

00:48:39   you're going to do is way closer to you has better connection than the Backblaze [TS]

00:48:42   when you are known to be tried for me it's about even for both or neither one [TS]

00:48:46   of them never fills my connection just because it's big but I get better than [TS]

00:48:50   to make it but somebody like 67 and varies sometimes up to nine and [TS]

00:48:56   Backblaze CrashPlan maybe a little bit slower but i dont watching closely [TS]

00:49:00   because really it's not like once you get caught up in that it doesn't run for [TS]

00:49:03   more than 20 minutes every nite Brite you know that you didn't get good [TS]

00:49:08   speeches crash man because a friend of mine had recommended Carbonite and I [TS]

00:49:11   tried that it was going to take about seven years for all made it up and then [TS]

00:49:17   I tried CrashPlan in this was my first upload I wanna say like year year and a [TS]

00:49:21   half ago maybe more than that [TS]

00:49:22   and it pretty much maxed my line for like a day and a half or something like [TS]

00:49:26   that now it could be that they're using a data center in Ashburn which is in [TS]

00:49:31   northern virginia which is only a couple hours drive from where we are and that [TS]

00:49:34   would be somewhat significant for both of you guys I I that's complete [TS]

00:49:38   speculation I have no idea if that's right or not but I think johnnie nailed [TS]

00:49:42   it when you say it was luck of the draw and transplant work for me and and had a [TS]

00:49:47   really good upload speed although they have a god-awful user interface and it's [TS]

00:49:50   all java-based like I said I hate it but the upload speeds were good and [TS]

00:49:54   everything else seems to work reasonably well and I do like getting those updates [TS]

00:49:58   so that's how I landed on crashed plane but it was mostly about upload speed [TS]

00:50:02   which is funny that you said it was terrible for you and I was sitting there [TS]

00:50:06   going to this because he's gonna talk about how online services view his nasty [TS]

00:50:11   weather is terrible her back up or not right yet exactly and because that's the [TS]

00:50:15   back please I i've used back plz from my computer and discs computer for about [TS]

00:50:20   three years now [TS]

00:50:21   something like that and and we have like a total of about 3 terabytes backed up [TS]

00:50:26   between the two computers to it and it's fine I restored couple files from here [TS]

00:50:30   and there and it works so you know I like that was a lot of that place does [TS]

00:50:34   not backup network drives now I've heard I haven't tried this in mind I think I [TS]

00:50:39   might play with this I've heard that if you mount it over i skazhi that because [TS]

00:50:45   I skazhi is kind of treated by the OS as a local [TS]

00:50:49   attacks disc apparently backless can't tell the difference but I haven't [TS]

00:50:54   confirmed this yet and so anyway apparently if you mount I suppose he [TS]

00:50:57   drives it will back those up but that was my question about you mentioned [TS]

00:51:01   doing time machine to it is that's one of those things where they're like well [TS]

00:51:07   not officially supported by Apple but then as manufacturing figures out how to [TS]

00:51:10   make their thing work and every time there's an OS update your way for the [TS]

00:51:13   the NASA thing today to work with it that maybe they certainly they have in [TS]

00:51:18   implementing their software they have some kind of Time Machine server and it [TS]

00:51:22   does work I don't know if Apple has documented this in any way probably not [TS]

00:51:26   like nasa's I'm doing that since time machine has existed in every time [TS]

00:51:31   there's an update you [TS]

00:51:32   has one of these things who isn't XIV's I call my thing broke wise you mean you [TS]

00:51:36   have to understand like they're they're making it work and it's not a big deal [TS]

00:51:40   but it's big enough deal that Apple's not being careful to make sure they [TS]

00:51:43   don't break it every OS update especially major OS updates and so [TS]

00:51:47   that's why I would be leaning towards like that's why I've been worried about [TS]

00:51:50   an ass because direct attached storage particularly like direct SATA storage or [TS]

00:51:55   just like right in there is the most problem-free way to time she even [TS]

00:51:59   external firewire I find ever so slowly slipped later than internal internal [TS]

00:52:04   drug use my wife has fire although with her system who knows it could be the [TS]

00:52:08   Thunderbolt bridge and stuff like that but I have a big firewire drive attached [TS]

00:52:13   her occasional time machines will in Syria I says he would fix that problem [TS]

00:52:18   like it still have to get the iSCSI initiator to work on the new version of [TS]

00:52:22   its ok we'll find a time machine is finally that but the ice co-driver work [TS]

00:52:29   with maverick's for example on how long you have to wait for them to update the [TS]

00:52:31   iSCSI driver how reliable the right those are the details you know even [TS]

00:52:36   somewhat I guess super-duper doesn't care one of us in a position to test the [TS]

00:52:39   Jon Stewart I guess I could have a verizon like that that's why I suppose [TS]

00:52:49   like if you if you run with the setup for a while you're like ok well you know [TS]

00:52:52   whatever they did time machine works fine then presumably eventually upgrade [TS]

00:52:56   to Mavericks is that ok what time she looks like a super duper do it and and [TS]

00:53:00   crash-landed whatever season backs it up then I'll be fine I won't be I won't be [TS]

00:53:05   that scared to do but I wouldn't want to be the one to find out by buying the big [TS]

00:53:08   expensive nasa and trying to get my run backup regime to work with it why I [TS]

00:53:12   think I could always fall back on I skazhi [TS]

00:53:15   assuming you don't like let's let's say I haven't even touched the same average [TS]

00:53:18   comes out and it breaks the psychology time machine thing and doesn't fix [TS]

00:53:23   itself as unlikely I think because one of the reasons why I picked them is [TS]

00:53:28   because they're very active and development they have a lot of users [TS]

00:53:31   they have a huge community of people who use and love these things I have never [TS]

00:53:35   seen a storage product very rarely seen any computer products at all that had [TS]

00:53:41   such a universal acclaim as Scientology nasa's like when I asked about the [TS]

00:53:45   everybody on Twitter love them and there was like there was zero reports of [TS]

00:53:50   anything bad I was shocked how how positive the response was and they [TS]

00:53:56   really are pretty on the ball with with software updates as they were going to [TS]

00:54:00   update now and and there's so much like user creates offer you can run out they [TS]

00:54:05   have a whole package store you can browse and stuff i mean it's it's pretty [TS]

00:54:09   advanced and it seems like they're on the ball that's what you want you don't [TS]

00:54:13   want the manufacturer that nobody's using this because that that's I think [TS]

00:54:18   more likely to be the one where some OS update comes out and break something [TS]

00:54:23   that you relied on and just never fixed you know if you're if you're with like [TS]

00:54:28   the big diamond player one of the dominant players your way more likely [TS]

00:54:32   not to have those problems or more likely to head is probably be fixed [TS]

00:54:37   sooner in most cases the thing is running FreeBSD thing and there it's [TS]

00:54:42   some kind of Linux or BSD thing it's and it has like it has an Intel Atom [TS]

00:54:46   processor I believe its x86 64 bucks I was pretty impressed by a dual-core to [TS]

00:54:51   hit you get hurt and he has four gigs around as it has pretty good hardware in [TS]

00:54:55   it and you could try but you can if you want you can directly install crash plan [TS]

00:55:02   on it and so I tried to see if there would be any better and it wasn't but [TS]

00:55:05   it's like the instructions are you SSH into it I for sure going able as a safe [TS]

00:55:10   haven to it and you like manually down this package for W get everything and so [TS]

00:55:15   you can do pretty much everything you can do with a low-powered Linux box [TS]

00:55:21   right on the things that he was a does it have built in stuff like this have a [TS]

00:55:24   deal on a server and it does yeah there's so many things I i've i've [TS]

00:55:28   barely scratched the surface it has it has DLNA it has iTunes sharing and again [TS]

00:55:35   I'm sure that's some kind of undocumented or unsupported API but it [TS]

00:55:39   does have a good idea but I haven't even I've been using the stuff that I have [TS]

00:55:42   any time to play with it all yet because thats though is that like once ago nasa [TS]

00:55:46   like well [TS]

00:55:48   why don't I just get a full-fledged get a Mac Mini and hook up like a big raid [TS]

00:55:52   attachment to it and then you could i mean there's there's no one of the big [TS]

00:55:58   reasons for me honestly was simplicity of devices and also costs because this [TS]

00:56:02   thing retails for like 1100 bucks and this is at the high end was that the TSA [TS]

00:56:06   1813 plus model it's fairly new and eight days there's a five-day version [TS]

00:56:12   that's significant lessening its 900 or $800 and then you can get Leah basically [TS]

00:56:17   it's the more base you want the more expensive it is but you know once you [TS]

00:56:23   put together the cost of a Mac Mini even in a low-end used one Mac minis aren't [TS]

00:56:30   that cheap because everybody has some kind of used they could they have 41 so [TS]

00:56:33   like you can't really buy a Mac Mini for less than about 500 bucks thats any good [TS]

00:56:37   at all and and so you know you throw in like a $500 or more mac many give it you [TS]

00:56:44   know some kind of connection once you add like a big enclosure that has you [TS]

00:56:48   know for 28 days and had to be fast gonna have to be probably thunderbolt [TS]

00:56:55   and so that's going to be really expensive if you don't care about it [TS]

00:56:58   being fast that much you probably at least wanted to be Firewire 800 USB 30 [TS]

00:57:03   it's still you're still talking a lot of cotton you have two things you have two [TS]

00:57:06   power bricks have two things in your closet and then you have like the cost [TS]

00:57:11   savings really is pretty minimal that point or it's going that way so I I [TS]

00:57:18   looked at that stuff but I multi drive high-speed enclosures are really [TS]

00:57:22   expensive you'd end up going something like that anyway but the true Greek way [TS]

00:57:26   to do which neither one of us probably feels like we have time or inclination [TS]

00:57:31   to do is you know one of the FreeNAS things make your own CFS nasa out of [TS]

00:57:34   your own BSD box and a bunch of devices and give us a really cool and I like I [TS]

00:57:39   I'm a big fan of people wonder why don't build my own [TS]

00:57:42   you know like it that I I would love for someone to make that product for me to [TS]

00:57:47   buy but I'm not gonna spend time doing tough times I'm description I started on [TS]

00:57:52   my storage to be bulletproof problem-free supported by companies like [TS]

00:57:55   this analogy sounds like it is preferred to be from Apple because then it's like [TS]

00:58:00   all one big thing and I would pay whatever crazy but then that they're not [TS]

00:58:04   into making stories though honestly if Apple did make one of these I probably [TS]

00:58:08   still wouldn't get theirs because it would be some kind of like side project [TS]

00:58:11   for them didn't really care that much about it so it probably be very good but [TS]

00:58:14   they like the Xserve RAID exactly yeah they did make something like this and [TS]

00:58:18   it's something they no longer make it for very good reason and also one big [TS]

00:58:23   advantage the psychology has also build your own thing is that it's really quiet [TS]

00:58:28   because it has these two giant [TS]

00:58:31   there probably about ninety two millimeter size fans they're they're big [TS]

00:58:35   slow powerful fans alike and most they're very quiet like I when I first [TS]

00:58:41   got the thing I just had it next my computer like on a table here so I was [TS]

00:58:46   still configuring it still putting drugs in a figure out of setting up here and I [TS]

00:58:50   move into the closet like in a couple days once all set up and I was shocked [TS]

00:58:54   how quiet it was the drives make all the noise the fans are almost inaudible like [TS]

00:59:00   it was quite the Mac Pro and Mac Pros despite a lot of complaining about it i [TS]

00:59:05   think is a pretty quiet computer especially definitely is it ever owned a [TS]

00:59:09   jihad ya so you know it really is I mean he basically is just an embedded [TS]

00:59:19   computer with a bunch of days and some custom custom software but it really is [TS]

00:59:26   a very very nice implementation of that and so once you throw in how nice it is [TS]

00:59:30   how flexible is how much you can do and how it's very cost competitive with [TS]

00:59:35   building your own I don't think there's much reason to build your own honest [TS]

00:59:39   unless you have very specialized needs that you can't get with somebody else [TS]

00:59:42   attractions through NASA's that I wouldn't have to have it in the same [TS]

00:59:46   room as experienced than I probably didn't care who knows it is because [TS]

00:59:49   you're at like the drives and I now pronounce you drive is [TS]

00:59:51   and even if you have a family device which were not being very smart drugs [TS]

00:59:56   make noise so I that's why I don't want to buy the new Apple router thing with [TS]

00:59:59   the fan and it I wouldn't by the time capsule has a fan [TS]

01:00:02   yes they all have found a know that the time capsule ones have fans and even the [TS]

01:00:06   ones without the time kept this is the same case likely leave it empty but they [TS]

01:00:10   all have fan so I don't ya like this weird vertical are you a telephone booth [TS]

01:00:16   think so I was thinking about buying that goes out and having some range [TS]

01:00:20   issues avoid Springs issues with the current one which is in the [TS]

01:00:24   aforementioned closet so the family that much but still that sucks that it has a [TS]

01:00:28   fan of a drug [TS]

01:00:29   generation Apple TV had a family people to know that ya know but it was just [TS]

01:00:35   really really quiet most of the time yeah there was like a Mac Mini the first [TS]

01:00:40   generation opportunity yeah like a very very low spectral I got super hot even [TS]

01:00:45   with the yes it really did it go back a step why wouldn't you just drop like an [TS]

01:00:51   AirPort Express or another Airport Extreme in a different part of the house [TS]

01:00:54   of the houses are wired with cat 6 basically complexity and interference by [TS]

01:00:59   I had that setup in in a couple of apartments before about it before but [TS]

01:01:03   the house cos a lot of all departments have very very severe brings problems [TS]

01:01:07   because of what's in the laws that sold you know metal sheeting and brick and [TS]

01:01:11   stuff that so that is not very radio friendly and into apartments I had had [TS]

01:01:18   like the airport extreme as the home base station then like a little Airport [TS]

01:01:22   Express usually wired LAN cables from the kitchen and it never worked that [TS]

01:01:31   well like sometimes sometimes your devices would pick the wrong one and [TS]

01:01:35   then the connection with you really bad and they wouldn't switch the other one [TS]

01:01:38   even though it would have better reception and I did you have it set up [TS]

01:01:41   with like that fancy at WDS Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeahs AWS is not just an apple [TS]

01:01:49   thing but it but Apple has like if you use all Apple stuff makes it a lot [TS]

01:01:52   easier to use [TS]

01:01:54   and yeah I tried that and it really didn't didn't it didn't do much it [TS]

01:01:59   wasn't very good so if that's your only option to get good range then you know [TS]

01:02:04   do you do but if if there's any other like if you just buy a better router and [TS]

01:02:09   have better range from one router that's a better way to go said I'll cover your [TS]

01:02:13   area [TS]

01:02:14   all right we should have a second sponsor is related to everything we've [TS]

01:02:17   been talking about can take a guess is it while transporting it is it is filed [TS]

01:02:22   transporter so she did I new rules I really you look to move but I at least I [TS]

01:02:30   Festa so this fits in with a lot of just saying how transporter that's a bunch of [TS]

01:02:36   their practice called transporter transporter is an off cloud peer-to-peer [TS]

01:02:40   storage drive to privately sharing accessing and protecting your files so [TS]

01:02:45   what does all that mean its design with your modern socialist I'll mind [TS]

01:02:50   transporter is an enclosure a drive enclosure with or without a drive you [TS]

01:02:55   can supply your own you can buy one directly from them it's an enclosure [TS]

01:02:58   that looks pretty cool with a network port in the back so it is basically an [TS]

01:03:02   ass enclosure but with special software that allows you to do some special [TS]

01:03:05   things so one thing is they integrate directly into finder and very similar to [TS]

01:03:12   how Dropbox integrates and you can use it in a way that you would use Dropbox [TS]

01:03:17   where you have a special sync folder and you have finder integration with you [TS]

01:03:21   know right click links and sharing stuff like that but all this data is stored on [TS]

01:03:26   that physical device that you own on that physical hard drive sitting in your [TS]

01:03:29   house somewhere your office and so it is a sitting on someone else's servers [TS]

01:03:35   it you know huge security implications their huge ownership implications there [TS]

01:03:40   and you can still you can if you have multiple transfer devices let's say your [TS]

01:03:45   friend has one where you have one at home and one at work you can selectively [TS]

01:03:49   share files or folders between any two transport of any number of transporters [TS]

01:03:54   with only two people you select so it's nice and secure end-to-end encryption [TS]

01:03:58   with all communication over the Internet so all the data can be read by nobody in [TS]

01:04:02   transit and if you have multiple transporters they will automatically [TS]

01:04:07   sync the shareholders to each other so you really get a lot of that Dropbox [TS]

01:04:10   like functionality lot of that convenience of cloud storage without [TS]

01:04:14   having to have your day to be held by somebody else and not to mention that [TS]

01:04:18   you can get a heck of a lot more space on this thing you can get from Dropbox [TS]

01:04:22   WAY WAY cheaper so just you some idea for you to the end at a price in any way [TS]

01:04:28   these things are really affordable so the empty enclosure the transporter you [TS]

01:04:32   supply any two and a half in charge drive its 200 bucks you can get a one [TS]

01:04:36   terabyte drive Milton for a total of 300 bucks or two terabyte for 400 bucks and [TS]

01:04:42   if you use our coupon could code ATP in their store you can save 10% that's [TS]

01:04:48   that's 40 bucks off the big one that's that's that's a big chunk of money so [TS]

01:04:51   you can look at these things that file transporter dot com if you have a file [TS]

01:04:55   transfer to a concise ATP don't know you came from us that's file transfer to a [TS]

01:04:58   concise ATP so what else is this do so you can have automatic offsite backup [TS]

01:05:04   that's a huge you said you're just talking about about you know now [TS]

01:05:07   actually asked me to revisit the topic will be at the show just talking about [TS]

01:05:11   how how the heck do you backup network attached storage which transporter [TS]

01:05:15   that's a really great option if you buy two of them you put one in your house [TS]

01:05:19   and one in your office or your friends house your parents house or something [TS]

01:05:22   maybe geographically far away then you can have these things automatically back [TS]

01:05:27   up to each other all the time and so you have a pic of a constant offsite backup [TS]

01:05:31   in real time and again everything is encrypted end-to-end so it's really [TS]

01:05:36   really secure and it's also great for collaboration between people let's say [TS]

01:05:41   let's say you know john Kasay up to some of their audio files after every show we [TS]

01:05:45   do if we were all using transporters working on but we're all using [TS]

01:05:49   transporters then we just have this one shared folder and run could just drop [TS]

01:05:54   their audio and shared folder and just sinks everywhere [TS]

01:05:56   using direct traffic between our devices and and nobody in the middle able to [TS]

01:06:01   read the data including the NSA or anybody else and that's unlikely this is [TS]

01:06:08   pretty good encryption [TS]

01:06:10   and so you can have this this awesome collaboration with very large files that [TS]

01:06:15   would be prohibitive on the services or would be just really really expensive or [TS]

01:06:20   just not allowed to wouldn't fit this is it's a really great solution here for [TS]

01:06:24   collaboration for sharing if you want to have like you know what your parents or [TS]

01:06:29   one of your house and you then you can have like a shared photo directory so [TS]

01:06:32   you can take pictures or videos of the kids and have your parents or [TS]

01:06:34   grandparents you them all sorts of uses for this kind of thing [TS]

01:06:38   confidential documents there's just so many uses for having your own personal [TS]

01:06:43   physical ownership of a device that is still easily accessible and shareable in [TS]

01:06:49   the cloud so that's transporter this is a really great products great idea jack [TS]

01:06:56   is guys out [TS]

01:06:57   file transporter dot com slash ATP they know you came from us help support the [TS]

01:07:02   show and check out their product if you buy one use coupon code ATP all [TS]

01:07:07   lowercase save 10% off their already very great prices so and also by the way [TS]

01:07:12   those prices before I forget there is no monthly fee to use all these different [TS]

01:07:16   internet connected services so sharing services the Managed like you you don't [TS]

01:07:20   have to have your own like dynamic DNS thing in the middle so that you can find [TS]

01:07:24   transporter they have a server that manage all the stuff for you they keep [TS]

01:07:27   track of you know the IP for your device so everything just you know you don't [TS]

01:07:33   have to worry about all that but is no monthly fee for that if you could buy [TS]

01:07:35   the device lifetime access to the server is included so go to File Transfer dot [TS]

01:07:40   com slash ATP to learn more about this device there's so much as this is the [TS]

01:07:44   third sponsorship everyone i've i've barb different things that there's so [TS]

01:07:48   much to talk about this device really check this thing out it's it's it's a [TS]

01:07:52   great device lot of uses and very unique I don't have anything else in the [TS]

01:07:57   industry that's like this so check them out thanks a lot to transporter for [TS]

01:08:01   sponsoring the show you know what it is if you didn't want to go the nuclear [TS]

01:08:04   option of like a Synology or scientology wherever we're calling it or Drobo but [TS]

01:08:09   you still wanted a fairly [TS]

01:08:11   really cheap but not bad cheap good cheap [TS]

01:08:15   network attached storage that actually does more than just sit there on your [TS]

01:08:18   own network that you can never accessed from anywhere else this is your ultimate [TS]

01:08:22   answer not been using one that that they sent me which was very nice of them and [TS]

01:08:25   and I really really like it it really is really nice yeah it's it's you know I [TS]

01:08:30   don't think it has to be this is one of the reasons why I'm comfortable talking [TS]

01:08:34   about this in the middle of an ass discussion I don't think it has to be [TS]

01:08:37   mutually exclusive between this and an ass I think this is these are these are [TS]

01:08:40   different you know that's true you're right you know like I think I think a [TS]

01:08:44   lot of people are going to be fine with one or the other but a lot of looking to [TS]

01:08:47   use both its it really is about what your use case here and and the transfer [TS]

01:08:52   does things that I don't think I don't know of any in a state that does similar [TS]

01:08:55   things and it's all very integrated and everything and and it really is a very [TS]

01:09:01   unique device and very cool alright so back to our nasa backup question I hope [TS]

01:09:10   this isn't too boring so quickly [TS]

01:09:12   basically Backblaze won't backup network attacks drives they might be nice cozy I [TS]

01:09:19   don't know that eventually if I ever tried my fear with us cuz he is as we [TS]

01:09:23   said before I'm worried about like you know what if the next version of OS 10 [TS]

01:09:28   comes out and there's only as far as I know two major iSCSI initiators for it [TS]

01:09:34   there is a global San and a doe and the global 2013 @ as 200 bucks I think [TS]

01:09:39   they've named Ian super duper lame which is an awesome app for cloning drives and [TS]

01:09:45   backing up he strongly recommended the $200 at 01 he said it's significantly [TS]

01:09:51   better and that he's seen a lot of people have trouble with the global [TS]

01:09:54   salmon I have tried either them yet but he is pretty qualified to know things [TS]

01:09:58   like storage and people having trouble from Max using hard drive so the guy who [TS]

01:10:03   makes super duper knows that stuff pretty well I would imagine his support [TS]

01:10:07   email alone is a vast treasure trove of Mac storage related issues [TS]

01:10:14   I'm inclined to try the other one but then again it's like you know what [TS]

01:10:20   happens if if they break this then you can access your your shares your drives [TS]

01:10:24   your time machine so I'm a little wary about that you know Windows I believe [TS]

01:10:29   for a long time now for a couple of versions has supported the initiation [TS]

01:10:35   just in windows and I don't think we know why Apple doesn't do it and Mac OS [TS]

01:10:40   10 except they just haven't cared yet are having a time it really know the [TS]

01:10:43   reason I admit I soon as Noah couillard patent issues or anything but whatever [TS]

01:10:50   reason Apple doesn't support direct yes you have to have these third-party [TS]

01:10:52   things and obviously these are probably kernel level extensions and that's kind [TS]

01:10:57   of questionable I don't know John anything about that stuff I preferred [TS]

01:11:01   around no third-party current like sentence if I can help it at all I can [TS]

01:11:05   get back to the old Mac Pro again that was the beauty of the thing like that's [TS]

01:11:09   why I would buy the biggest video because I didn't wanna buy an [TS]

01:11:13   aftermarket video card after day with the video drivers who knows how that [TS]

01:11:16   would fight house so I totally on board with tea and I slowly weaned myself off [TS]

01:11:20   every other one of the memory resident hacking things like the various [TS]

01:11:24   application enhancer and simple plug-in stuff like that like I'm just trying to [TS]

01:11:29   get that stuff out so I'm really hesitant to bring anything else like [TS]

01:11:33   that especially something for storage and you know maybe it was officially [TS]

01:11:38   support about like that seem like you know fusion drive like apple says you [TS]

01:11:42   know not really technically supporter to make your infusion drugs but it totally [TS]

01:11:45   is likely until his Apple don't command line utilities and yet I still feel [TS]

01:11:50   weary that someone at Apple is now cuing the setup that I've created with my [TS]

01:11:56   external drive because it's not part of their QA automation and they're going to [TS]

01:11:59   actually break into not know it's not going to be the poor sucker that finds [TS]

01:12:02   out so yeah I'm not I'm not a big fan of the idea of ICICI [TS]

01:12:08   it sounds like you'll be awesome in practice now for our network share has [TS]

01:12:12   only really one computer connects it responsibly at a time but but you know [TS]

01:12:17   certainly for each of our computers time machines that would be perfect it's it's [TS]

01:12:21   not a technology [TS]

01:12:23   like it's it's the fact that Apple and the United assaulted by driving a client [TS]

01:12:29   issue [TS]

01:12:29   yeah and yeah I'm with you I really makes me very uncomfortable to have to [TS]

01:12:34   rely on or even have installed any third-party kernel extension they really [TS]

01:12:38   were not to order to minimize them so I'm probably gonna keep with the the the [TS]

01:12:44   possibly have to network setup they have a meeting that the Mac OS 10 / Time [TS]

01:12:50   Machine server or time capsule server thing and does it work so far you know [TS]

01:12:54   I'll see I see in practice but I'll see so many wait for backup obviously [TS]

01:13:00   backing up your time machine drive to a cloud service is probably not necessary [TS]

01:13:03   I might even be problematic because of its structure so I don't I don't back up [TS]

01:13:07   to closer but there was an article I don't know it it's probably out of date [TS]

01:13:14   now I was trying to find it during during this question before the [TS]

01:13:18   sponsorship there is an article somewhere and loved licking I can find [TS]

01:13:22   it [TS]

01:13:23   that compared all of the popular online backup services and how they handle Mac [TS]

01:13:28   file system metadata was from the arc powers and yes one basically yeah but I [TS]

01:13:34   can't I can't find the right now somebody finds it up on the show [TS]

01:13:36   complaining but that for years first in the back plays in the CrashPlan you know [TS]

01:13:42   it's a very pretty but trivial to create a file of the month of Dec specific [TS]

01:13:47   metadata and backing up in bringing back down and see how much of your lost and [TS]

01:13:50   practiced mostly doesn't matter but it's like after a certain number years [TS]

01:13:54   especially if you're pitching your product to Mac users should you know and [TS]

01:14:00   back please to its credit has got a lot better since the way it started years [TS]

01:14:03   and years ago but I think are still the only 100% yeah that wouldn't surprise me [TS]

01:14:11   at all because our kids like you know back please CrashPlan both have these [TS]

01:14:15   kind of job a heavy API's I don't know that please actually is jobs jobs it's [TS]

01:14:20   not a good it's only gonna face though the settings pane I really don't care [TS]

01:14:23   for for back please [TS]

01:14:25   it's better than than the Java thing from carbon from CrashPlan but it's not [TS]

01:14:29   grade I've had some weird like we're DUI issues with it over time we're like [TS]

01:14:34   it works and the data is backed up but sometimes the us-led confusing or clunky [TS]

01:14:39   so not not a huge fan of Barclays Center phase but our kids like a real knack [TS]

01:14:45   made by a real Mac nerd who obviously like is really into getting getting it [TS]

01:14:51   very Mac native and getting that right and and so i i i really respect that and [TS]

01:14:59   and that's obviously one of the reasons why he cares so much about getting the [TS]

01:15:03   getting all the Mac metadata right anyway it's kinda like something that [TS]

01:15:07   you could talk to Danny about because of the cases with the esoteric Mac metadata [TS]

01:15:11   it's not so much that as a crash man like isn't doing it because of some [TS]

01:15:15   technical reason lot of times like a policy is alright well this thing has [TS]

01:15:19   ACL and but it's mounted with permissions you know with a bit the [TS]

01:15:24   permissions off type of thing I like you don't even sure what the right thing to [TS]

01:15:27   do is like what you idea should I attached to this if it's mounted with [TS]

01:15:30   permissions often see that as an ACL on it as well like you don't even know what [TS]

01:15:35   the right thing to do is to like what what does this person want and when they [TS]

01:15:38   restore it [TS]

01:15:40   the environment could be totally different things could have shifted like [TS]

01:15:43   it's not you know it's not always clear what you should be doing so I think a [TS]

01:15:48   lot of these dudes bigger backup things like look we can't even figure out what [TS]

01:15:52   to do with that thing so we're just going to you know we're just gonna drop [TS]

01:15:56   in on table and make sure that it really like ownership is an obvious one likes a [TS]

01:15:59   you back up something and you delete that account and someone else comes on [TS]

01:16:04   account of the same UID like it you have to just forget about it should be like [TS]

01:16:07   NFS you know oo uu idea that the matter you need some sort of directory service [TS]

01:16:12   or some sort of triggering a file to map your UID like it's not there's no real [TS]

01:16:16   distributed identification internetwire identification and you ideas or so like [TS]

01:16:21   a certain number I could not a good way you know some of the policy decisions [TS]

01:16:25   surrounding ownership or any other kind of metadata associated files is [TS]

01:16:29   difficult and people just want to work there is one that dated back so I go [TS]

01:16:33   with this didn't exactly preserve its not exactly the way it was when I put it [TS]

01:16:37   up you know what's different about the ownership change you probably don't care [TS]

01:16:40   that much and less like one of things to say to you I D routine that your [TS]

01:16:44   application [TS]

01:16:44   busy trying to restore its terrible naturally it wouldn't be a complete [TS]

01:16:54   discussion of stories that a Syracuse deposit plane anyways so my backup [TS]

01:17:02   solution for the NASA is time machine I don't back up to the cloud because you [TS]

01:17:08   know of issues and the network shares have created right now I'm using arc on [TS]

01:17:14   the Mac to backup via the network amount to Amazon glacier in Glacier for those [TS]

01:17:20   unfamiliar is kind of like s3 in that it's an Amazon storage service that you [TS]

01:17:26   can access to pay per use but doesn't me working like s3 it it's made for like [TS]

01:17:32   long-term archival storage of stuff that you probably will never have to look at [TS]

01:17:36   and if you do every look at it you know you don't mind it being delayed by like [TS]

01:17:42   five hours to go retrieve it and so from him back a lot of sense in a number of [TS]

01:17:47   ways is a few weird things about to make it a little inconvenient but the great [TS]

01:17:51   thing about it is it's dirt cheap it's my believe it's a cent per gig per month [TS]

01:17:56   something like that so back to a terabyte like 10 bucks a month so it so [TS]

01:18:00   much that it isn't your right but it's way cheaper than s3 which I believe the [TS]

01:18:07   bay tree for s3 is still eight cents exerts like you know eight times cheaper [TS]

01:18:10   something like that was a non-starter back when it came out it was just [TS]

01:18:14   exactly like five terabytes up on this free online free these these five [TS]

01:18:19   dollar-a-month online backups or whatever is out now and so yeah that's [TS]

01:18:24   too much for me exactly so [TS]

01:18:26   and CrashPlan the reason I try to the CrashPlan does the back of network stuff [TS]

01:18:30   we tell it to and as far as I can tell that doesn't appear so it's going to [TS]

01:18:34   change anytime soon that's it's actually as their official policy to backup [TS]

01:18:38   network stuff so backwards onto the CrashPlan so far will if you can [TS]

01:18:44   tolerate their slipstream if you have that problem from your connection and [TS]

01:18:47   arc will do it directly to s3 or glacier which is awesome and very nicely [TS]

01:18:53   integrated but has high storage costs per month relative to their services so [TS]

01:18:57   there's there's no perfect solution for most people for me I'm I'm using glacier [TS]

01:19:03   through arc and it's going to end up being something like you know 10 or 15 [TS]

01:19:08   bucks a month for from I for one am putting up there so I'll see that's when [TS]

01:19:15   doing so far it's worked I uploaded the whole set already there so far and so [TS]

01:19:22   far so good this number of other advantages to arc as well we talked [TS]

01:19:25   about this in more detail on slavery shouldn't talk about it more details [TS]

01:19:28   sometime but one one of the cool things about our kids that so it's it's storing [TS]

01:19:32   data on Amazon s3 or glacier which are these these services that like you know [TS]

01:19:36   you kind of control because it's you use of services and then it's your access [TS]

01:19:41   keys that using to access the stuff and put it up there so you can always use [TS]

01:19:46   any other s3 client or access method and look at your data directly yourself [TS]

01:19:52   without involving arc and then they're the data front of actually documented [TS]

01:19:56   that the data format and they even have a open source get hub restore tool so [TS]

01:20:03   that you can always look and see like how do you restore data so if if parts [TS]

01:20:07   maker haystacks offer if they ever go away or become dicks or something you [TS]

01:20:11   can always go and just get your data off there and we know without being [TS]

01:20:15   proprietary locked into someone else's ever so there's a number of cool things [TS]

01:20:18   about it as long as you can swallow that that much higher storage costs than the [TS]

01:20:23   other options which is admittedly a pretty big problem for a lot of data [TS]

01:20:27   that's what you get this happens I actually don't have any particular thing [TS]

01:20:41   to add on that I mean I'd love to get something like that but to be honest my [TS]

01:20:44   data storage needs just aren't that big I don't I don't generate that much [TS]

01:20:48   stayed with the kid we don't have fancy cameras so for me it's just not a need I [TS]

01:20:53   happen jaan I would assume you up at least a couple questions I mean hi I [TS]

01:20:58   don't know what I'm going to do [TS]

01:20:59   when I get my fancy new Mac Pro I think about why do I have a stated that these [TS]

01:21:04   stupid dream that I've had since I had mac 120 ok with a floppy drive has been [TS]

01:21:11   every time I get a new computer young storage space was going up so much like [TS]

01:21:15   on this new computer I'll be able to fit everything from my old computer plus all [TS]

01:21:20   the stuff I have like that I had to take off I'll computer kazan fit like so that [TS]

01:21:25   box a floppy disk hard drive like I had a bunch of stuff I can't put on the hard [TS]

01:21:29   drive is not that important old stuff not really into but I have to put on the [TS]

01:21:32   side black boy I get that nixon Peter I'll be able to have all my current [TS]

01:21:36   stock plus everything for my entire lifetime visit so small how big was the [TS]

01:21:40   stuff that was on my not going to indicate how big was the stuff of it on [TS]

01:21:43   my Mac plus you know and like it so tiny compared to you know it's like that [TS]

01:21:47   hockey stick graph of the iPhone sales like this new hard drive or hold [TS]

01:21:50   everything I have now put everything I've ever created my entire life right [TS]

01:21:53   and that has never quite been the case for example like I have an external one [TS]

01:21:58   terabyte here just holding WotC videos like the past three years so I guess I [TS]

01:22:02   want to reference someone already married you and I couldn't put them on [TS]

01:22:05   my main drive to put them on my main drive they'll start to go into my backup [TS]

01:22:09   for tanks and my main drive is also ever so slightly bigger than my other backup [TS]

01:22:14   ones and so on a dream like I won't be able to make the super duper clones I [TS]

01:22:18   doubt that exclude you know it's just easier to get them out of there I have [TS]

01:22:22   stuff back up on drives are shaped like all my Apple videos and I could do I [TS]

01:22:26   need to do any really need to see the videos from David Oct 2003 do I need [TS]

01:22:30   those to be on my harddrive know I probably don't support them off and so I [TS]

01:22:34   keep thinking and stuff and come on guys WBC 2003 of your time to be on the hard [TS]

01:22:40   drive it just because it's convenient for me to get out that you know [TS]

01:22:42   sometimes I just want i dont wanna go rummaging through things and figure out [TS]

01:22:46   what disc something was on I just want it all to be there right to maybe then [TS]

01:22:50   asked if he knew that cycle off on their complete 12 terabytes surely I can fit [TS]

01:22:54   everything in there [TS]

01:22:55   and then I won't feel guilty about having just kick the puck gigs and gigs [TS]

01:22:58   of Apple videos and whatever else in there and I mean freedom I know that [TS]

01:23:02   people are likely to have tons and tons of both legal and illegal like movies [TS]

01:23:06   and stuff I don't even do that only blu-rays DVDs I do not meddle versions [TS]

01:23:10   of those entering that ever happened just talk about my digital crap I would [TS]

01:23:14   just like maybe at this point [TS]

01:23:16   hundred gig so photos + probably more than that how I have more Apple video [TS]

01:23:22   than I do [TS]

01:23:23   pictures of my own children at this point the promise WRC 2013 2013 is like [TS]

01:23:31   1080p video and something big [TS]

01:23:33   yeah well you can download res but still it is even when I was 10 per session or [TS]

01:23:38   something i dont must consider down low res my college grad later when you have [TS]

01:23:42   three but you have your three paragraph petabyte holographic you be like that I [TS]

01:23:46   should do nothing now compared to my holographic you know my role is like you [TS]

01:23:53   know if it's something that can be probably easily free download it from [TS]

01:23:57   somewhere in the future I don't need to even store it most of time if I do [TS]

01:24:01   choose a story I don't need to back that up to two more than just like you know [TS]

01:24:05   like fun as has its own built-in grade level to prevent against some of those [TS]

01:24:09   some of those failures and Time Machine is a little level but like you know I [TS]

01:24:12   don't need to know so I cloud backup to BBC videos [TS]

01:24:16   thing is I don't assume that I can re-download you know like I assume don't [TS]

01:24:21   like go and just look at their stupid developer documentation you every single [TS]

01:24:24   day to release those things brakes on my car forget I'm never gonna be able to [TS]

01:24:27   get the video guy got a grab them now and you know and that's it [TS]

01:24:31   there I'm never going to find them again for me it's like like some of the stuff [TS]

01:24:36   like Apple has their the Apple Keynote podcast feed the Apple special event for [TS]

01:24:40   Apple Keynote something like that [TS]

01:24:42   multiple feeds the HTC One right which is not confusing at all right and [TS]

01:24:47   attorney to people in many cases just upscale anyway so so those I save all [TS]

01:24:53   those and I have those in like long-term back up stories because I do sometimes [TS]

01:24:58   refer back to them and it would suck not here for the same reason you have them [TS]

01:25:02   sure you don't even know you have them I just looked just like the one in [TS]

01:25:06   RealMedia DRM files / [TS]

01:25:11   exact quote of the WTC 1999 and I had it in thomas also on YouTube yeah but you [TS]

01:25:17   made it difficult to download I tried to leave your YouTube in the sink issues [TS]

01:25:21   are also unlike you know this real media file still plays and it actually higher [TS]

01:25:24   quality than the U two months but yes so like you know that like stuff that's [TS]

01:25:29   like for historical reference that I'm likely to look back on like five or 10 [TS]

01:25:32   years out for some reason that I'll keep even if it's big videos but like the BBC [TS]

01:25:38   session videos I can I i'm very rarely find a reason to look back more than one [TS]

01:25:42   year on those Apple still has those up from a year ago [TS]

01:25:46   you know it's like I i've I think the first time I'm looking something from [TS]

01:25:50   five years ago and can't find it then I'll start saving them I have a VHS tape [TS]

01:25:56   of W H I didn't go do it before my time that a friend of mine who then going to [TS]

01:26:03   Apple developer conference room comfort as far along that I have was getting [TS]

01:26:07   cleaning out his basement as they do on this and said you know what I think I do [TS]

01:26:10   do you still have a VHS tape player I do it's in the attic but I have my sony VCR [TS]

01:26:16   that I bought my got married still works and it says that the two hours about VHS [TS]

01:26:26   tapes and gives a video all right he's locked door to sponsor this week [TS]

01:26:32   mind blitz app and file transporter [TS]

01:26:39   now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental John [TS]

01:26:51   Casey [TS]

01:26:54   it was accidental and you can be a team Marco [TS]

01:27:37   polygon sandwich had a good line and the other is both my kids are getting back [TS]

01:27:49   to the concentration game to lose it we gotta make that happen just to see if [TS]

01:27:59   you do don't tell me she sees me play into this but are you spelling like [TS]

01:28:04   she's in kinder transition they know how to spell anything like that a lot to be [TS]

01:28:10   said Casey for the technique that I have used very often in both this and [TS]

01:28:14   Scrabble which is a time on it to start tapping letters you have to know that [TS]

01:28:19   the word many times I'm surprised when I would submit that the random assortment [TS]

01:28:22   of letters that I put up a thing turns out to be aware there's no penalty for [TS]

01:28:26   trying to smuggle word right so you just sit there and I just try and try and try [TS]

01:28:31   and you know it doesn't work quite a long leather purses too many [TS]

01:28:35   possibilities but Scrabble works really well because you have you just have to [TS]

01:28:38   let you have the number of combinations is actually quite small so I just don't [TS]

01:28:44   have patience for that you lose and lose in theirs so that makes what what is the [TS]

01:28:56   sound of that sort of phonetic spelling of a sound sort of an onomatopoeia for [TS]

01:29:01   the San Ramon should not have keys in it [TS]

01:29:06   Hwa a tribute concert while he sounds like your bank's unlike your plan that [TS]

01:29:14   you know that thing where the moles pop up from the arcade was like oh god only [TS]

01:29:20   complaint about and I hate it I hate it when I see it because it doesn't read [TS]

01:29:26   read i read it and I'm like for a long time and then about googling them like [TS]

01:29:31   that did nothing like sad trombone noise wh wh would be way better just WOM WOM [TS]

01:29:37   WOM it's real it's like you're hiding something makes no sense [TS]

01:29:42   disagree I don't know never really dug into the intricacies of whether my sad [TS]

01:29:52   trombone spelling was approached you just it's the internets and they've it's [TS]

01:29:58   like the ad in front of the 20 replies are just so dumb like at whatever I [TS]

01:30:01   remember when that for whoever invented that I did not like it and fight against [TS]

01:30:08   what you do but you could get in 2007 January there was like hundred Twitter [TS]

01:30:13   users or so to hopefully get us back on track in thing that by definition [TS]

01:30:20   doesn't have a track you think back on track and now so what we choose what are [TS]

01:30:25   you doing jack into cyberspace when I like Faubourg Marigny cyberspace is done [TS]

01:30:30   it's hysterical because it's funny and you say that's got to be intentionally [TS]

01:30:35   done in any case I say fabric turn if we have a hormone that promotes good at now [TS]

01:30:42   listen to show you his name in the title [TS]

01:30:45   yeah that's that's how we get him it wasn't the one episode I love her and [TS]

01:30:53   tried to blame me for going to get everyone totally missed the home joke [TS]

01:30:56   there were a couple people but implies that I saw I guess I just like the one [TS]

01:31:01   that mentioned me like gods you can do it is a lot of people thought Casey [TS]

01:31:07   wrote that to eat though because of his unit you are you have not shared the [TS]

01:31:13   credentials for that account with me and I presume not John either so that's the [TS]

01:31:18   only one that doesn't have it [TS]

01:31:19   Casey John and I both control it without you know I did not we disclaim all [TS]

01:31:24   responsibility for tweets unaccounted one of the best argument is if you want [TS]

01:31:29   I don't wanna buy my Twitter client situation is fraud enough as it is I [TS]

01:31:37   don't need like multi-client isn't handled that well but I don't want to [TS]

01:31:42   add to my pile them it would have to attend like going to like that stupid [TS]

01:31:46   carrot initials ending every tweet so everyone knows who its from [TS]

01:31:50   screw that storm thing we do the bracket for this week I'm cutting myself up [TS]

01:32:02   nineteen give you a chance I just like I've just decided you're on your right [TS]

01:32:06   now I've heard I've heard those two words are three words those words as a [TS]

01:32:13   unit and goodnight these people are worried about it though about it [TS]

01:32:21   arlington virginia that's relatively close to me [TS]

01:32:24   musical duo having joined Twitter account was the point and they do square [TS]

01:32:28   bracket capital P square bracket for Paul on us for storm before each tweet [TS]

01:32:32   as the system if we if we shared the credentials for that account I think [TS]

01:32:37   part of the fun would be never signing the tweets and everyone including each [TS]

01:32:41   other guess who the hell had posted them although I suppose to be pretty obvious [TS]

01:32:47   cause I'd use whom everywhere [TS]