00:00:00 ◼ ► dumping the DROP TABLE 10 because Apple probably does not protect against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► Raquel take down the hall I do I do like I'm double metal or made an announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/6">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► that was made i've i've heard that occasionally but it's it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► rare than you know the gift gift thing like that's like 50 51 made us know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/18">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► this reminds me of when I brought up the broth phase and neutral but I wrote my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/25">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► first VA list function a few minutes ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► like all this time I've known that it's a thing I've known you know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/35">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► this is how you do very well argument list C functions but I've never actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► needed to write one really until like an hour ago I did that at my first job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/45">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► which was C++ $4 remember why did it but I did it was weird so would you use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/52">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► for him I'll add asked yet you want I so I first from my new big thing I've now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/59">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► done in in substantially shipping products I've now done both core data in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/68">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► the magazine and grant that's a that's a pretty light use for today but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/75">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► still a shipping Peppino productive for production use of this listing for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/79">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► real app that's not entirely trivial so I've used for data and Instapaper I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/84">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► SQLite just wrong and just made a few lightweight utility functions to wrap on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► top of it but I didn't that's everything was really just done violet rock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/98">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► roll calls the escalating the eye and i know if i dont not pronounced SQLite and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► I don't care I also sick if a while sucking it anyway I so from a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/108">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► project now that I've seen both I would like to get back to SQLite a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/119">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► just because core data is really nice for a very large set of things but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/125">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► is something where I expect to be dealing with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► data and I know when you have large datasets that core data performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► problems can can pretty easily arise and can often be very very hard to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► around so I decided to use just Mueller's awesome FMD be which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/142">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► which is a pretty lightweight wrapper around SQLite and what I what I decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/150">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► to build was a similarly lightweight model class on top of that and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/156">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► probably this is one of those things where if you hear program were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► they made their own model class chances are it was a bad idea and mile chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/167">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► are mine is probably a bad idea as well but I'm doing it anyway just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/172">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► BlogEngine and receive my own coffee I'm doing these things anyway even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► it's it's generally not worth it and I'm probably like so OK to meet the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► argument against this this is the classic like programmer know it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► wanting to rewrite something really critical that everyone's on a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► times and chances are my version gonna have bugs you know they're implementing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► units joke or a maximalist whatever the whatever the joke is all three so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/196">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► let's look at it was UNIX ok I have to look that up anyway so of course you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/205">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► right John this is the kind of thing you would know is that resemble any it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► like you know if any any program eventually includes a half ass buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/215">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► implementation of whisper something like that I'm paraphrasing yeah I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► sure that is the thing I'm referring to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► anyway so so there's there's already probably a million of these things out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► there but I don't like using other peoples frameworks that do substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/231">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► like non trivial things I don't generally tend to use those except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/237">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► apples and you know things that I just really could not write myself but using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/242">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► other peoples like utility functions to fight that that's why I'm a handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/250">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► because not only do a lot of people use it and just be a good programmer but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/253">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► can I can look at the code it's not a very large library it's it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/257">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► and it is really is just like it really just convenience wrappers around SQLite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► for the most part and so is it so you know it's pretty thin so you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/268">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► you're not like networking family if not working I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/273">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► to the magazine fairly late like it and I think in the most recent version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/278">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► the magazine I think it for for some some relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► or some relatively trivial thing I really want to try it I know I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► networking is very very good and a programmer is that is that met with 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► t's Thompson who believe that's right he's a he's really really good so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/294">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► what I like I have no problem using his coat cuz he's ridiculously good so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► pretty sure but everyone is not working so I know that you know it probably is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/305">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► not buggy and if there is a bug is probably affects pretty quickly so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/312">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► nothing like you know it they do a lot of things there it's it's still a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► thin layer though like different parts of it I guess there are different widths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► but yes so anyway long story short I decided to write my own model class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/327">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► anytime you write something like this there's a there's a lot of weird design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► decisions you have to make this is one of the first times I've really had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► dive in to check to C runtime stuff and I'm trying to avoid it being happy Eid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/346">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► and now I'm only I'm calling us runtime functions to basically do reflection and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/352">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► we had a whole reflection topic on the cut on the topic but I wonder if we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/358">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► get to this now but we certainly can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► yeah but you know like in in dynamic languages like most of the Web languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► like you know that they've been sleeping with the soviets it's easy to it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/372">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► very very easy to like you know just inspect your variables and see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/377">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and do crazy things to it and and everything else with Objective C a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► of that is possible some of its not but it's actually more possible than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► thought it was so one thing I'm doing is you know the model class has its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/393">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► dictionary mapping column names to their values that's so awful but carry on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► go on the times as well it's awful in in that coming from a.net background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/408">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► background that is not at all how he would handle it but in Objective C that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► probably is exactly how I would handle its all tell you the other approach when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► you're done so I'm sorry carry on no please tell me now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► alright so now you've just lost the floor for an hour and Johnny Manziel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/429">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► just hang up so one of the things I've been wanting to talk about any TV for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/433">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► long time is having a leg in in both the dot net and the Objective C and cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/437">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► world's is that there's a there's a lot of obvious differences between the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► platforms and by and large I really really like the decisions that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/448">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► made and my friend Jimmy Pinkham said to me ones when I was complaining about for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/452">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► example how convoluted handling dates are within Coco he said just a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/458">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► class that handles everything in Indiana he said it more eloquently than about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► recounted but he said something to the order up you know is it really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► complex or is it just properly abstracted and it was one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► polled you know total mind explosions you know what you're actually right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► about that and so large I think that that cocoa and Cocoa Touch a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► really well done however reflection in coca-cola cup attached not as well known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/483">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► so let's give you an example by way of how would I have done the same thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► dotnet and this all queued for me when you tweeted about 34 days ago about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/495">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► do you call the thing that represents the unique identifier foreign object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► actually in most languages that would be I D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► but in Objective C you can't really do that because it works just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/511">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► which is a little bit scary but it does work right you can name a variable IDE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/517">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► mine was even type I D that's gotta make me hurt so bad but the point of driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/523">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► is whether or not not anymore but allowed it's just not a good plan and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► think we can all agree about that so what I've done and done at what's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► great about that at his reflection is in my personal opinion kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► first-class portion of the language in dotnet is really meditative heavy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/541">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► what that means is when I have what a.net program Caulfield but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► Objective C program program would call live are basically a variable in class I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► can actually decorate that variable with arbitrary things that we call attributes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/557">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► so if you imagine a class definition you can say that you have a very bold that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/562">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► called unique identifier for example where you can put an attribute that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/568">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► associated with that variable and that attribute is actually an instance of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► class that inherits from a certain base class call guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► attribute so I could make an attribute that decorates that field that specifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/582">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► what the colony me for that I far so let me play this back I've got a class I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/589">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► got a class that's in my application that may or may not use the same terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/596">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► as I want to use my data store so I could call whatever this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/602">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► variable but like I said unique identifier I could call that unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► identifier in my C sharp code but I could decorate it with an attribute that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/613">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► says hey when you go back to the database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► it's actually called I D and so that's really really powerful being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/621">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► easily and that's the key here easily introspect and reflect upon yourself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/627">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► what what meditating you have about your own classes and I use this constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/633">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► when I first learned about it was one of those things where I had a hammer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► everything was a nail and I'm not proud of that but as I've gone on to be a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/642">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► mature programmer III still use this all the time and you can write your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► custom attributes like I said you can use a ton of existing attributes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/652">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► being able to decorate your code and and and give yourself help on what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/656">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► with your code is the most powerful thing in the world so to bring us back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► to Coco what I would have liked to have been able to do is do the same thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/666">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► you would have been able to do is to do the same thing and have this Ivar thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/671">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► may be called identifier but in the database is called idea and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/674">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► have to have a stupid freakin dictionary or hash table or whatever the case may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/679">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► be hanging out doing that conversion it's all in line it's a first-class part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/683">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► of that class does that make any sense at all it did that actually really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► because I mean I don't even I think I think there actually is buried in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/694">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► runtime away in Objective C two attacks arbitrary objects to any NSObject but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/700">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► don't think and and either way let you know that you probably shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/706">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► doing things with the is a lot of a lot of things with with you know designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/712">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► low-level model and and reflection type classes and things like that does a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/717">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► of times where like there's something you can do that you probably shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/723">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► do and a lot of room for terrible acts right and you could do an associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► object but that's a little bit different because that's more of saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► because I haven't done in a while but if memory serves that's saying hey for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► instance of this class I want to have this arbitrary object associated with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► where is what I'm talking about is at a class level on defining an additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► piece of medidata that's part of that class definition and and again it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► extremely powerful I think you're right mark I think you can do a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► with Objective C I'm plugged into reflection in the sea and a lot of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► possible a whole heck of a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► it but the thing that's crummy about it in we've complained about this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► threesome for that you gotta drop into the C runtime and you were saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/769">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► just a few minutes ago you gotta rent dropping the Objective C runtime which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► is all straight see which once you get used to the Christine world of objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► see it's just it's it's it's not that I mean you know I like I had to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► Malik and free earlier today for the first time in a while but you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► like it's like 10 lines of C in the middle of this wonderful cushy Playland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I mean it's not it's not that bad so if someone would you have done in PHP and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/794">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► John at like to know where pearl fits in if we ever give you a chance to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/800">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► like what you've done if you were trying to solve the same problem in PHP but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► have said the same problem PHP III use for Instapaper for the magazine for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/807">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► new things I I do use my own MVC framework that is very thin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► lightweight so I can use SQL directly all the same goals actually well most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/817">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► the same goals and so I have this problem PHP and and I basically I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/821">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► think i do roughly the same thing with like you know storing storing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/830">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► attributes of of a model object as a dictionary of no strings to value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► values and his keys match the database icon names and you know there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/839">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► sorts of things you can do by the way I love it if marilyn is actually listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► to this and if he still listening I'm getting him back so hard for all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► comic book tour this is glorious so you know it there's there's always this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/852">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► one of the reasons why I like doing this kind of programming at at this level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/863">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► stopping these kinds of problems even even saw million times before even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► though my implementation may not be very good for some people over some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► are for myself even I love it because it's there's so many design decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/874">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► that you can make that really do have a pretty big impact so one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/880">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► for too much I think it will get a little bit boring even for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/885">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► one of the things about one of the hardest part about this is like how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► you how do you expose the database fields on the object and how much colder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/898">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► boilerplate has to pee has to be written to like in Indy subclass so in the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/903">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► classes how much do you have to do and how are the counter percent so in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/910">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► thing I actually do a very similar trick to accord and it does because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► tell at runtime books I actually don't know why you can tell us run time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► you can you can tell it run time whether a property was declared dynamic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/924">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► whether rather whether its implementation was declared dynamic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/931">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► and whether you know it has custom getters and setters all that stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/935">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► available at runtime from the runtime API's so I'm basically making it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/940">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► you can you can set and get arbitrary column names just buy a dictionary API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► but it also treats any dynamic property as a database com so and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/950">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► does in a useful thing so you can have a property that's an NSU ro and if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► if you declare dynamic in the rotation file then the runtime will see that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/961">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► so at runtime it'll say any access to and from that is the database field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/967">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► named that and then you can just call saved and it works and you can call you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/972">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► can call the core functions get them and and that it maps into them on Reid's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/978">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► you know it's just it's a very simple model ie no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/983">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► this is one of the reasons why I write my own bottle where is that like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/989">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► usually like the model layer to have to do that much and specifically like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/995">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► know I treat databases the way that most programmers of previously high-traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► web applications treat databases which is infrequently and gently ahead so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► don't like it and really like crazy you know very high five high functioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► model type API's where they like go look up associated objects for you and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► and I don't carry builders you know myself so I can choose exactly how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► screens database and optimize it and I don't like anything that creates the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► tables for me I don't like the core data GUI about the the mall declarations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► the migrations of migrations are a rough so I'm basically doing something that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► it is more of a convenience wrapper than a functional rapper if that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► like it's not it's not doing a whole bunch of magic it's just getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► does that make sense it does I guess to me I view a model as the buffer between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► the completely myopic database world and the completely myopic application-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► into me and I agree with you that model should be extremely dumb it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► basically be a bucket in nothing else but I I would hate have not having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► around because I want my application code to speak with classes classes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► very little else and all my database to speak to itself in some late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► intermediate layer that translates from database to modeling back in and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► we're saying the same thing but I i cant when you said I am writing a model and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► cant believe in doing that senator that's just it struck me funny because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► yeah so John yeah that's a job where you land on something and Marco said in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► beginning readers this topic about how he was making his own model class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► that's probably a mistake and Casey said he thought it was thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► topic i save a lot of it's kind of like a class system for programmers and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1131">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► maybe Marco but I mean it like you know you know maybe Marco has not seen as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► govt job for longer but I see it all the time if the distinctions of all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► programs based on their experience what language they use with their education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► is it ever and this distinction i think is the most important one much more so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► than any of those things no matter what their education is how long they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► been doing what language they rioting in I usually tend to Ben programmers into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► two groups one is the programmers who take something that someone else wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► and use it to make a program they learn Ruby on Rails and they make a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► application you know they they learned you like it and in the end I OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► applications and those people distinguish between the Magical Elves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► that make the things are going to use to write their program and their program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► and the second set of people make no distinction between the things they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► using to write the program and their program it's all one continuous thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► and those are the people who are going to write their own thing even though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► vendor provides one or those that are going to write their own web frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► of their own blog engines or like you know in the extreme case their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► language like its complete continuum and there's no hard and fast line between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► these are the words that I typed making a program work and this is my program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► you know like I don't know if you wanna call to build myself have to be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► type of thing but there are some people who will never cross that line in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► in every environment they find themselves in programming they will draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► that distinction somewhere in say that is other and I don't do that and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► magic and I call these things to make my program work and in my program is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► series of conditionals in loops and variables in class or whatever they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► that thing to do their work and I think that that distinction is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► provision right there tomorrow class being afraid to like and to try and draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► that line in like using as a barrier and saying I shouldn't cross over the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► one is like practicality like it maybe you should write your own language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► calculator program or something right so that's one side by side of his I see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► lot of people who draw that line and are afraid to ever cross that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► starts with outline what you're doing you start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► right but I encourage everybody who thinks they can recognize that line to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► realize the line doesn't exist it's all just one big continuum of code written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► by people and there's no reason you can't write a better one of whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► is that you're using all up and down the chain and in some cases you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► obviously you know like knowing when you should remind you shouldn't is a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► separate matter but never like it you know I wouldn't like it if this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► reason not to do it not because like all I'm gonna screw it up and just people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► who made those things are like at a certain point there's other people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► write you know like just another guy and you know you're good at doing some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► that is they decided I'm gonna make my own thing here and then do your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► might not be as good but the fifth version of your thing will be as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► and then you've just become one of those people in that line is gone so that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► take on this whole on the demerit topic to topic for a minute it up again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► I'm double medic and as for the things that the actual things you're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► talking about their I don't wanna go simpson's did it on you but I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► was doing since instead it right so all the stuff myself accountable in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► world and the path that I've traveled and I think a lot of the pro communities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► travel in the same day same topic is kind of you know in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► you've got a way to Cincy Calgary somewhere and that's annoying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► someone write some nicer way to wrap that up and that's nicer than you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► like ok when I wanna make some like classes associated with things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► gonna be associated tables and it's kind of annoying to write all that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► fields are associated with columns and cyclic marco was going to how much do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► have to write like after you done ten or twenty those things at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► in like can I type blessing at the same effect right and then the less likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► you know that the ActiveRecord rails type thing we're like 10 have type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► anything can just inspect the database and figure out what all the columns are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► into a list for me and say look I can type of 19 my whole thing is not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► and you know you could just see you can probably do that I'd like to see if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► really want to get down and dirty with the injectors here on time will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► you know just don't don't have anything to inspect the database figure out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► classes make your clothes make your feet on the table many classes based on now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► have a thing that manages the conventions for naming and also the crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► you know and I think the next step beyond that which I found probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► biggest leap like that the first biggest leap was the one where you get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► race to see how the typing you can do useful work done in the second biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► leap i think is when you get to the point where you realize that time your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► classes are structured database tables is a terrible idea at like not just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► in terms of the field names but structurally period because maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► doesn't happen in small projects are products of a single developer but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► large projects and big companies that evolved over many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► inevitably the structure databases almost no relation to the way you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► your application to work like not at all not on the table bases not own anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► like it just ridiculously diversion and in some ways you could say well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► bad because things are diverging and they're getting on my stop but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► it's necessary because the way if your data structured has to evolve in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► direction for performance reasons it has no bearing whatsoever how you would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► to deal with it in your application so I think the next step in the sequences to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► give yourself tools to get your data in the database but make sure you don't tie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► any of you guys are calling model objects hate that term you don't try any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► of the inner workings every application to the structure or storage location or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► anything having to do with the stuff in the database you still need some tool to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► make it seem like a million lines of code every time I get a database thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► inflate your values and your objects and data objects and all that nice stop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► you still want to be able to do to not have to type that you click Load but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► have to make it you have to make another bike box on the graphics and this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► code because the crap on a database this is what created from the data in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► database and those two are pretty much entirely unrelated so it actually helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► and development of innovative ace and other studies have text files I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► talking to hardcode suffer like the rest of your application don't care because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► it deals with things that have no relation to the storage location or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► structure of the thing and sometimes even when you doing projects all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► this is the correct table structure which you know who like just doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► database stuff you know what you are going to fishermen indexes you need what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► things should be normalized not but when AM application it would be convenient if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► the structure is very like this make the things that your application deals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► look the way they're most convenient for the application deal with men have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► sort of layer which is sometimes annoying to write but it will save you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► later some sort of like that translates between the two in sometimes byzantine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► ways so that that i think is a case where all the things that are met with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► reflection coming at every level that existing you make it like makes it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► be a database that meets metadata and then the next thing you make that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► the data from the database and puts it into the things that your application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► going to deal with like your applications idealized view of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► that doesn't reflect the possible nastiness of the database because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► weirdness that needs a metadata to let things you don't write that code up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► by yourself and then finally your application for top-level think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► deal with objects look like that are you know magically delicious that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► like wow this is exactly what I needed for this for my application it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► know it's your idealized view of the world wouldn't it be great if we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► had three objects and they did this and you're like it so hard to do that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► your experience far as you think but i cant that object can exist to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1616">TS</a>]
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00:27:03 ◼ ► third table and and so you end up making things that are you know tied here to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► it so that's that's more or less the path I've walked on this topic in pearl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► and in other languages and its effect on people like Andy Oram backlash was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► the RMS like it the ActiveRecord phase and you get to that place and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► realize you're kind of in a dead-end you've done a terrible thing but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► not really like you've created something useful but you you know you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► something else as well so you know everything that you've done is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► helping you move forward this just another place where you can also move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► stuff yeah I think you're right though that there's always this this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► battle between the the objects are fully abstracted from the data and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► messiness or the structure of the database one of the things that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► court data does a little bit badly for my taste is it it's it's too much on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► that object side where core data even though it is based on a database storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► engine and in many ways behaved like a database in many ways it doesn't let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► treat it like a database and so you're kind of it like like there's a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► whole class of operations that in court that are very easy to do and database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► things like a lot of things involving multiple records or batches our range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► things like that things that coordinate either can't do very well can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► trying to give you the idealized version but now let me say anything about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► don't worry about the database you just tell us how you under the idealized view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► of the world your application and we'll just persist that and you like really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► would like to have some influence on the process because I have some ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► exactly and and for analog lot of times it's also necessary for performance you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► know when you when you have an app that's just that has like a ton of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► or that has you know maybe one table 11 object type that has a lot of entries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► and they're all very small to me wanna do something like that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► because you sure your data so because you know like the seven queries their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► applications can run most of the time you know what will make those Korea's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► festival not make them fast and coordinated as far l'amore gives you no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► way to to influence the way it stories don't like you just make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► convenience object graph and you have to kind of like either kind of guests are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► into it or understand enough about tornadoes in relation to how it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► lay that out and have to know what operations does according to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► available and what will that translate into another will those be efficient and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► that's like you would rather just you know like I know these are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► somehow I bet applications probably just run like you know three possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► performance critical care is all the time and it's just that look or did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► just do this this is all I want everything else to do but these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► three essential questions like how do I will structure for you you don't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► about so small applications are fine but anyways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► vocational it that's all I continue to coordinate locations but a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► native applications starting out the day not web-scale but the timing is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► more critical in devices are slower to a certain point even a native application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► you would like to have that kind of influence which is why you know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► keep coming back to doing their own thing with Rossi polite because then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► have control over exactly because you know you have you have the sequel on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1828">TS</a>]
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00:30:36 ◼ ► you shouldn't let me pull you into my way of saying I like isn't officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1836">TS</a>]
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00:30:48 ◼ ► going to that thing you have that on one side and that doesn't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► about you know your objects in your code like it's totally just raw there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► attempt to even you know to even do anything higher level than just database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► roads and that's it then the other end you have core data which is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► the object and their mappings and it it doesn't expose anything about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1870">TS</a>]
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00:31:38 ◼ ► fall but you know I might think I want to be in the middle of a continuum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1898">TS</a>]
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00:31:49 ◼ ► lot of what's there is basically a whole bunch of people like me making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1909">TS</a>]
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00:31:56 ◼ ► degrees of people using it and reporting bugs and varying degrees of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► functionality and it's not like to do apps like it if you're the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► person who can make one of these model layers or or something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► the chances that you're gonna be happy enough with somebody else's to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1930">TS</a>]
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00:32:16 ◼ ► and so you know for me you know I I'm doing my own thing like I usually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► sometimes good sometimes bad head and say I'm making this thing kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► between single item korda and I'm going to use it and we'll see what happens I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1950">TS</a>]
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00:32:42 ◼ ► like you're not writing system for a product that's gonna have seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► incarnations like it you know if you if you are making me think of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► like Gmail not LinkedIn maybe Facebook maybe some sort of big giant web service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► used by millions of people that has 10 different ways to interface with it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► just within their own company if you that's where you really want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► your have your data access layer and then above that have your object layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1988">TS</a>]
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00:33:16 ◼ ► bunch of other people in the company or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/1996">TS</a>]
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00:33:22 ◼ ► uses the idealized view of you know the product which has an ever changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► relationship with how things are actually story you saw that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► isolating the whole rest of the people you know I just talked about this line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► between the people who are right I think people are using the thing individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► programs shouldn't say that line but if you're trying to scale up a company it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► a good idea to have people building at various layers and you want everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► who's this writing you know a bunch of reports that run or a bunch of jobs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► do maintenance stuff for the people who write the web front end of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► who write the native app you want all those people to be using an interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► that has almost no relation to the implementation of you could possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► help it and then another set of people dealing with how that you know idealized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► view of the product interfaces with the datastore back and they're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► to change the use different day stores in a rearranged up they can do normalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► tables are gonna rename things are gonna do different versions of tables and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► don't want anyone else to see that but when you're just doing it one native iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► with the webservice something especially using a different language for the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► part of it it's probably not critical that you make this kind of enterprise a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► distinction i I just offered up as like the next evolution of so you've gone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► done yourself an ActiveRecord to record type thing which Greece database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2075">TS</a>]
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00:38:06 ◼ ► magical and pretty but in case the app doesn't do a whole heck of a lot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2286">TS</a>]
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00:38:17 ◼ ► ideas you probably app you say you want to send it to which is presumably list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► of people that already set up what message would want to send me back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► their backwards I think I did I haven't used it a couple days but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► point is you pick who you pick what can you say go and that actually uses core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► data and that is actually a really really great use of core data because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► candidly it's very very simple it's two entities it's a total of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► 10 attributes between the two entities and it worked really well and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► things I like so much about it was that when I decided to add support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► sending messages to email addresses as well as just phone numbers I had to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2334">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► comment if you will and attribute to say well as this thing and email address or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► number and obviously to parse out whatever the point in driving out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► was that I had to do according to migration and to be honest for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► because this was such a simple use case it actually worked really really well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► was really nice and I said in Xcode hey wanna make a new version of this model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► here's what's different about it and I wrote a couple of lines of code in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► app delegate to handle it and everything just happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► magically and I've actually had no real issues with core data but to be fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► this is an extremely simple use case and to me I think that's what's great this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► is quoted as bread and butter is to do something really simple all I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► wasn't way in which I can persist very small object graph and that's like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► of the book which I would look up at the developer for always up it's like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► did the book exactly what it is meant for so I agree with what you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► that in a lot of ways coordinators this really big scary abstraction that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► don't want to just relinquish her life to so to speak but for me it worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► really really well you could've just used properly Alice I mean not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► property of us back end of Cordoba like a literal profit like the volume of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► basically made like the sample application they would have you make no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► I mean like the corn and apart like you know two entities like not a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► I mean I don't know how many text messages take your applications are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► going to start 10,000 can text messages to the purpose of the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► quickly so like yeah you could have gotten away with the property is in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► that's what a lot of people did absolutely i mean there's certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► it becomes ridiculous but absolutely right now a lot of fast tax a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► purpose of it was and a series of Engineering lessons and exercises for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► and part of the reason I used for data was just gonna I wanna see what it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► about so everyone complains moans about it I can say oh yeah you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► understand why you're saying that and and I could complain and moan with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► next guy but for me it actually worked out really nicely and I know you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► have plunged program sooner you can mention your program and I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► bothered looking but it wasn't I looked upon it was like something about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► week in my college that's a useful program you shouldn't you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► know if there's a hundred other programs out there to do that and obviously don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► send text messages to people so that's why I'm not in that field but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► exactly I think that would be a common category of program that can text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► message sender well I don't know if it's comment but it was it was actually it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► funny hearing Marco talked about a lot of the things that he's talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► both in building analyzing here it was a very funny exercise an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► exercise for me because I I'd love to be able to just magically invent the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► Instapaper and be able to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► independently and and right now you have any competition exactly but I'm driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► it is it'd be cool to to not work for myself but I feel like I need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► magical idea and so flashback to I think was I was four when I wanna say MF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► message compose new controller whatever it is basically they added the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► for an app to send text messages and so I found that out at WTC which causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► 2011 doesn't matter I found out of that WBC that other gonna do this now like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► know what I can do with that and so I had to figure out how do you build and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► ship the app in in order to I wanted to be in on day one of Iowa's for and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► the reason I think it's so funny is because in the smallest littlest way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► this was Casey sized exercise and doing the sorts of things that that many of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► peers do for a living and that I had an idea and I needed to execute and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► needed to execute a certain date not unlike what say underscore did with feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► Wrangler and it was just a very funny thing and that's why it was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► rewarding because I was able to get this little appropriately sized view of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► world that alot of my my good friends and peers and I that's kind of a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► note but I was it's fine it's it's a very simple out but it's very useful I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► use it all the time so if you didn't write that Apple into the App Store like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► if you look at the competitors are there other applications that their well-known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► one that most people use that I know about it I was into texting I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► if there's a well-known one i mean it's because there's no Instapaper of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► market if there if there is I don't know it's me honest and I've never taken the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► app was not a money-making venture in fact I probably put a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► dollars into it that I haven't gotten out I mean I've gotten a checkup gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► checks from Apple for it but I have spent more between the hundred dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► annual developer account and paying 40 bucks whatever was for a passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► expressed to hand draw the world's worst icon I was pretty proud of it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► honest but it but if I sell its pretty damn thing that's good thank you for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► letting downtown now but you know like that actually is what speaking of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► know applications that that is a lot of the time what separates the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► that someone makes and like barely makes back its money and developer fees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► the one that does is putting in a little bit of extra money for her designer into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► your icon and like getting the UI to look nicer like window-dressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► marketing type not marketing in terms of like paying money to advertise like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► someone sees your page what is the impression they get an apple hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► since like raising WEC like the first impression selling gets when they glance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► at your application is no reflection on the functionality of kitchen because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► there are a lot of these applications and can text messages whats going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► differentiate them is like the one that liked make someone feel good to have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► on their home screen feel good to launch it and use it every time they do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► feel good about that experience that's why I was seven such an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► because allegations of you used to feel good about using now they will not feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► you know and strange or whatever so that could have been all that separated you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► from perhaps not Instapaper little success but at very least you know being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► in the black instead of the red on lifetime for this application is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► nicer icon a little bit nicer you I know you're absolutely right and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► screenshots with the puppies in there something you're absolutely right again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► this was more was written in order for me to be able to myself and say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► don't want you did get something the App Store and even if everyone around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► thinks it's a flaming turd at least you can say you know what one way or another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► that's mine and I did that and I wrote it at a time where I barely could write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► hello world in Objective C and that's not to say that unstable and whatnot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► I'm driving at though is that it was a really great exercise to teach myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► this entire pipeline and I'm really glad I did it and I keep it there to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► honest if if I'm really candid I keep it there more as kind of a trophy to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► myself you look at what I was able to do and and everyone else who may have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► it is listening may or may not be laughing about all that but I'm ok with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► that because I'm so proud of it even though it looks like crap and I was six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► but wait for Iowa seven it's going to be great I'm watching it is just climb the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► ranks tonight as all two hundred and four Life leaders go out and buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► something or if you have a Casey self-esteem sale where you don't buy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► use it to acknowledge casey's trophy it's fun and I got within four with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► iOS idea when they announced the SDK which was a joke tip calculator which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► wrote about half and then I see what I've said this before I wish I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► there would be a busy enough because it's like five minutes to write and sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► and the name of the application is it doesn't things which is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► copyright infringement on seinfeld the US the joke about us have you heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► it does other things yes have you ever seen Seinfeld yeah I think I've seen all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► the news that line from let us forget what the context was any way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► google for it doesn't think seinfeld find out it's not that funny which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► another reason why the application does not appear on this story but that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► know I mean I I bailed out because I saw the writing on the wall but I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► liked to have just gotten through the process there is a no go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► process of working out application that does what I want to do then I i read in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► these double that amount of time to get over it feel like now i cant chip is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► boring looking and then by that point eight thousand dollar typically come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► too late I would love to see you shipping up to anything I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► care what it didn't do I would just love to see like what you consider shippable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► cause I honestly I'd be so I'd be shocked if you ever ship something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► that in public like I guess your reviews are are even larger scale a much larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► scale receptacles for feedback let's say people have opinions and they they offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► them on a training is much worse than putting on out I mean like when I get on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► the open source code if at all the world's most of the prototype on CBS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► from you is just terrible because there in years and years ago and I leave it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► there because like like somea be useful or whatever but it's kind of difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► thing about working in a regular job trying to open source stuff to you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► something that you can like show as like here is an example of my cope by open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► source stuff at this point I don't look at that time you like best the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► thing I can do everyone a job interview be like here is some sample code from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► open source projects and let me tell you what's wrong with it as a demonstration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► of how I'm grown since I wrote this thing that's actually yeah but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► want to show them is like here's my shipping out like that's what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► to get a job and a place like look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► this happen I'm also in the app is awesome hire me and I players who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► know in the door so to build on the thought of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► shipping something that people can see since you're a celebrity in the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► does that if you had a really good idea do you think that would prevent you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► scare you off but I'm always looking for a good idea since they won the tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► calculator you know like that's like me looking for an idea my my brothers also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► constantly trying to look for an idea I had hired he's trying to look for to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► rich quick idea and I'm so much to be like that I would talk to him 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► homepage for a line on the show I don't think but it may be the ultimate idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► where you have you have no money at risk no time really easy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► makes money makes everybody happy was involved with the project is amusing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► people who are not involved with the project like that's that's pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3005">TS</a>]
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00:50:13 ◼ ► happen quickly found ways to make money in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3013">TS</a>]
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01:02:34 ◼ ► they can say yeah we can have some graphics programming techniques why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► can't they either have or contract with graphics programmers to look at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► graphics related patents like that it's just I'm really glad ask patents exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► and obviously it needs to exist but why it needs to exist as kind of a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► this is a government agency and they don't like that hiring money you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► pay graphics programmer and their outsourcing the part that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► they they can't be done at scale because there's a limited number of patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► employees they just those employees only know about patents and there nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► about you know the domain areas and the same token Joe could not have written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► that ridiculous document that you know codifies the invite the rejection of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► patent Joe could not have written that because that requires the lawyer-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► expertise the people in the patent office in like what form you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► things and one what is a valid rejection and what must you like that's the skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► that they're bringing to the table you know that to be able to navigate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► legal aid lawyers like you know you may have an intuitive feel of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► what's right and wrong and had approved things but if you're not a lawyer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► don't know how to actually do it right so this is just fine if you like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► look you find me the prior art and then the us- patent offices will take it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► here so you did that part of the work for us we'll take that and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► spend ten times as much time doing this stupid legal use dance and this formal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► document structure to reject the patent and bring it through this building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► bureaucratic just try clicking through to their rejection he's like explains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► how to find the rejection is like the preliminary draft projection finalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► for my trying to read it it just you know not penetrate even the rejection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► the patent let alone that is something that that had a dependency second is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► good because it tells you just ignore everything go right to the second look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► gone it's it's a broken stupid bureaucratic system that doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► right and this does not make it better like the security but if anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► stops crappy patents from getting granted is a good thing so and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► just you know like sort of the community trying to make government better maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► not against their will but certainly like what we're here to help you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► government saying okay we will accept your help in this matter and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► producing at least one actual result was a brilliant idea if people are into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► but it it seems to me that it's tough to get people into it said differently you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► know here it is the the patent office is sorta kinda reaching out to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► community and saying haiti people who are experts in these things that patents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► are going to help us find this priority but the key is at their annual we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► joel is an expert at least you could easily argue as such and i dont know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► the patent office works internally but I got to imagine they don't have an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► for every darn field of patentable stuff under the Sun and so it it strikes me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► a brilliant idea but I'm not sure that when I get bored on a weekday evening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► night I'm gonna sit there cruising for patents to shoot down the radio he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► like who is actually sufficiently motivated to use the Site and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► savagely motivated are the companies who get patents because they may have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► financial incentive to prevent Apple has a financial incentive to make every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► single Google patent Google files be invalidate right and vice versa cool as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► that same motivate you know so if you can get these big companies with tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► money to put even a few people on this it's so easy to do because you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► to be invalid and pans in like in a demanding to know that Apple probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► knows about the demands to Google's gonna file patents and vice versa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► because they're both in the same industry get all these guys to instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► of spending all their energy patenting everything under the Sun take part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► their energy because now they suddenly they have been employees used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► you had no way to get your other guys patents invalid it yet to wait for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► to be granted rejected then you could try to validate the court where is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► at the patent office is like look we're willing to accept some help here this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► pattern has been applied for here's the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► and Apple goes out and finds prior art and headed off the pass like I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► don't know if these companies are actually gonna do that but they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► ones who have both the motivation and the skills to do this I think would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► gradual because I had all patents and like I said nothing that would cure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► whole problem is just to eliminate the entire patent system and office and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► the employees and all the legal framework and everything involved with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► it I would also cure this problem and solution but that would actually promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► innovation people don't wanna hear that so but anyway like you know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► hit that that's fine we'll start with this this would be fun to both you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► i believe separately argued on our respective 505 podcasts couple of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► ago I think we both argued that basically the entire patents should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► abolished is is that I mean that the fact that all the stuff is necessary is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► an end I think what bothers me about it in a knot not to go too deep into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► system should be just that would be a horror show but I think what bugs me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► much about it is like this is it a problem that just cannot be soft well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► like it is just so like the patent office can't be expected to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► everything right but they get things wrong a lot and the ramifications of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► that in the market are so incredibly destructive i mean it like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► benefit patents are providing to people I have to imagine there's an equal or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► greater amount of harm that they're causing especially in the field of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► software and it just seems like there's just no good solution to this but I am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► am very well that ends at least attempting to it is improving it in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► one small way and let my objection was less practical more ideological I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► think there's any reason you should have a monopoly rights to an idea . like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► not as if like you know what if the patent office was perfect in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► respect no such thing there is no right there is far as I'm concerned there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► no right to monopoly on an idea that you come up with no matter how awesome that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► I did period the end and so that if if that's your position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► that's my position obviously there's no such thing as a patent office that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► works its just know it it's an office that only works if not exists because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► it's enforcing a right but I don't think is valid thing that you should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► should just you shouldn't get a monopoly on an idea you shouldn't ever the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► but you know there's a huge continuing down to the pragmatic it sound like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► think you should but it's impossible to correctly therefore should be gone all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► have to like oh I think it should be gone for software because there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► such thing as a software patents this all math and everything's turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► completely blood like and business process patents shouldn't exist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► whole grains and I talked about in my shower went to right for the jugular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► which is like 20 patents on drugs which everything's alright you hear all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► other patents but we need these because otherwise no one will ever do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► research and data cure disease and I talked about it like there we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► rehashed here but anyway that's a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► kids get them doesn't mean we're done it seems like a pretty good place tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► me yeah I think so all right thank you very much to our to sponsor this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4182">TS</a>]
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01:09:52 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to be in accidental accidental john Kasay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4192">TS</a>]
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01:10:58 ◼ ► way of doing it has that was me talking about how excited I am that whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► see you a singular sail fast i text someone tried to do JavaScript injection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► I appreciate the end of those they stand for the JavaScript automatic semicolon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► surgeon say no to put it explicitly so it's not confused and yes the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► wrote this robot application have minimal competence of web programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► has not been given all the websites that I see they won't let me type telephone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► numbers with hyphens and them apparently apparently the bar has been raised about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► american express where the maximum character for a password is 88 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► that's probably dictate about their their their COBOL basic mainframe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4306">TS</a>]
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01:11:53 ◼ ► phone numbers they want you don't type digits you can type anything else that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► just want to go to all their houses and find them and be like no one is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► you do this like this this is literally the simplest possible task but a program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4321">TS</a>]
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01:12:13 ◼ ► just let me type of the numbers not rocket science like nothing no task is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► easier than every other part of accepting that forms admission is higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► than that one task and yet being Fortune 500 companies will have forms the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4342">TS</a>]
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01:12:30 ◼ ► automatically backspace to feel like the automatic backspacing code that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► complicated than stripping out the stuff that's just it boggles my mind that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► goes on and I went to a regular people think you don't know like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4357">TS</a>]
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01:12:43 ◼ ► was like oh I can see how to do this when this item must be really secure so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4363">TS</a>]
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01:12:54 ◼ ► and I are getting married I wrote in PHP and I think was my first PHP app I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4374">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► a website that that would like guests you know register RCP among other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► and good friend of mine his surname has an 'n it and I noticed after he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► registered because I had this like totally weirdo setups where I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► email my phone to send my phone a text message back when that was still a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► anyways so he registered and everything was cut off as soon as I hit the 'n his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► name because I didn't escape anything cuz I didn't know crap about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► program it's time in fact I told myself sequel in order to write that cite this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► was in 2007 I was always learning in the client and tell them to people who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► learn from the past due I remember the first time I looked at the ActiveRecord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► code in Rails find parameters that the technology that has existed since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4421">TS</a>]
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01:13:55 ◼ ► line all the values and what could go wrong we have an escaping function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► should be fine right that's how they were doing it I believe the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► version of rails was not using bind parameters and their queries they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► not they would build the sequel strings out of values you know and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► believe they hadn't escaping function of their own devising which would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► oh you see is just double it or whatever and if this was an ActiveRecord I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► sliding over else when I shouldn't be I'm sorry but he trails with any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► type of thing I see it all the time of like people who write database code in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► the modern era this year and don't know that by members existing just bravely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► plow forward Casey to know you know escaping with something you might wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► do but the people who like that I find more excusable then the people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► that you have to escape so they write their own escape from they still feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► like this is the best way to do it like this once you know it's a problem you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► would think you sent three seconds googling like oh I see this is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4492">TS</a>]
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01:17:20 ◼ ► talk about Laura before the next show whatever that maybe you should be forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4640">TS</a>]
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01:18:19 ◼ ► try to I I've never played Minecraft snoring but but if actually played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4699">TS</a>]
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01:19:39 ◼ ► except candy crush for whatever reason can you crush did not restore just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4779">TS</a>]
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01:20:03 ◼ ► podcasts I saw or somewhere Twitter or something that I I got the impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► that it was extremely addictive and that it could just take all your money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4809">TS</a>]
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01:20:16 ◼ ► all the crap that the free-to-play BS games do and say I was like I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► install again because he'll take all the money it like just suck away everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4823">TS</a>]
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01:20:37 ◼ ► money and and intends to continue that way but apparently it's pretty hard game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4837">TS</a>]
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01:20:55 ◼ ► restored and gone and of course they don't use any kind of iCloud or games or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4855">TS</a>]
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01:21:25 ◼ ► out of guilt for somehow not having this thing synched with just that out she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► wants to bang your head against a very difficult to play applications super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4889">TS</a>]
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01:21:56 ◼ ► times that I played Marble Madness after having spent $40 on it being so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► disappointed how much it sucks my Genesis all that time the game only has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► six levels yes six levels for $40 I never beat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4926">TS</a>]
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01:22:27 ◼ ► console game that i played and enjoyed because no I haven't played Dark Souls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/4947">TS</a>]
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01:24:21 ◼ ► a little bit harder than super hexagon but I can't really tell Marco of you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5061">TS</a>]
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01:24:33 ◼ ► played cannibal an obscene amount of people's phones but I like time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5073">TS</a>]
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01:24:59 ◼ ► over again at that point and playing the exact same thing over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5099">TS</a>]
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01:25:11 ◼ ► city with no actually GTA 3 playing through it and I almost beat the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► but there is one mission where it took like 15 minutes to do the mission and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► was a timed thing where you had to do it within 15 minutes and I kept getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► within like 10 seconds of succeeding and just barely missing it and I get stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5130">TS</a>]
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01:25:38 ◼ ► a few days of ban on that mission and doing at like seven or eight times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5138">TS</a>]
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01:25:57 ◼ ► remembers that mission and possibly stop playing it so this is what one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► rights of passage of anyone who will eventually come to identify themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5161">TS</a>]
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01:26:08 ◼ ► level or the the difficult things they feel like they never going to get past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► and people who vote later in life call themselves a gamer get through that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5171">TS</a>]
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01:26:21 ◼ ► that once you realize that there is nothing in the game that I can do I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► always persevere it's just a question of doing it like it's not like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5188">TS</a>]
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01:26:34 ◼ ► something else then find a ride on the same like the people who do you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► that decision to say you know what I'm going in this totally inconsequential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5198">TS</a>]
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01:26:57 ◼ ► this like all you did was you press buttons on the controller like this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5217">TS</a>]
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01:27:25 ◼ ► surpass so it's it's going to bring some people to say I have reached my limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRGYtKA/5245">TS</a>]
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