618: The Cell Cycle
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From Relay, this is Connected episode six hundred and eighteen.
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Today's show is brought to you by Century Eleven Labs and Bolt.new.
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I'm your keynote chairman, Federico Vittici, and it's my pleasure to be joined by
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the annual chairman himself, Mr.
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Stephen Hackett.
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Hello, Steven.
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Hello, Federico.
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How are you?
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How are you?
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I am I'm good.
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We are joined by m regular person, Mike.
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You know, I'm fed up.
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You can win in two weeks?
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That's what I mean.
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I've had enough.
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I need we need to stop the games.
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I'm just gonna have to win now because I've had enough of this slander
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from you two for I don't even know how many months it's been now.
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I just want to be introduced like I'm special.
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It's not slender.
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It's just like this regular guy.
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Look at this guy, look at this peon.
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You know, like this is a good one.
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Look how short he is compared to us.
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Look how tiny he is, you can't even see us.
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Like have had enough of it.
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We never said tiny.
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I don't know.
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It's implied.
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The tiny is implied, all right?
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It's about what you don't say when you talk about me.
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And so I've I've had enough.
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So watch out, Federico, is what I'm saying.
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Don't forget, by the way, next week we have to come to the show
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with our risky picks and debate them.
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So be prepared for that.
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I'm telling you both now.
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Be prepared for someone saying no, that's not good enough.
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And then you have to make it harder.
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Oh, right, because we're doing we have we do it live now.
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We're doing it live now.
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Oh my god, I forgot we have the whole new thing.
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The whole new thing.
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So the risky picks we do not talk about in advance.
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So come to the show with an eye with a pick which you can
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make more complicated and or have multiple options.
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This is this popped into my head a couple of days ago, and I
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thought this is probably a good time to remind you both.
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Alright, we've got some follow-up.
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We're gonna do some follow-up.
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Let's do some follow-up.
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Rod wrote in and said, Hear me out.
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Face ID for the new homepad thing, home hub.
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Whoever's looking at it with the largest face, it shows their stuff.
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Now, largest face is funny.
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I I don't think Rod meant like whoever just has the biggest head.
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But like maybe whoever's closest.
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But I like largest face.
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Um but this is interesting.
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Julie Clover uh Mac rumors, I'm gonna read from Julie's uh the people are
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just digging into this Tahoe thing.
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Like they won't stop.
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So this is from Julie.
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The accessory will show personal content for different users in the home with options
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to select a profile via control center or the settings app on the device.
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The home hub is expected to have an operating system similar to TV OS,
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so the control center and profile selection options might look like those on the
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Here are some of the code strings.
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Sorry, I'm not this is this is the what the device will say to
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Sorry, I'm not sure who you are.
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To access your personal content, you'll need to select yourself in control center.
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And before I can help you with that, you'll need to enable personal content.
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And then these are the ones that are interesting to me.
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So, like, okay, I can see how that's like TV OS.
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You just select your face.
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What about this?
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The device would say, I'm not sure who's speaking.
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Please come in front of this device and ask again.
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Now, why would it need you to do that?
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It's gonna look at you.
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It's gonna look at you.
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And then also, sorry, since this device hasn't seen you in a while, you'll
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need to ask again in front of the camera.
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I don't think people are going to like this.
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This is this seems I mean, we we've talked about this a lot.
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Like this device needs to be multi-person.
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How do you do it?
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I think people are gonna find this frustrating.
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And I mean, it depends on how long we're talking here, right?
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I just uh you know I would like a product like this.
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I was thinking about this after last time we spoke about it.
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As like one of those things where I had an idea right after we
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finished recording, I was like, oh well that's not very helpful.
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This product would be a great product to like extend iCloud family.
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Like, can this sort of product just sign in as a family like as
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the iCloud family and pull the family calendar and the photos and everything if
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you want it to be that way, as opposed to it acts differently depending
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on who it's you know, who is quote signed into it?
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That's just yeah, but I think there you look at it as in two
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different ways, right?
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If you're look talking about TV OS here, I don't have to be switching
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around profiles on TV OS unless I don't want to.
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That's true.
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We never do.
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We just are in mine.
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And so I can just anyone on my Apple TV can just buy something.
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Yeah, but that's different.
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The if the personal context with this is like personal context with the home
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pod where it can send a lot of things.
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Yeah, but it's like a very specific thing, right?
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Where you're like, yeah, but if you're saying out into the ether, send the
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message to blah blah blah blah.
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Like and it says, oh, you know what?
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Actually, can I just check it's you?
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Is that really that bad?
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Like if you're saying turn on the lights and it's like, hang on a
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minute, it was speaking.
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That's a different thing.
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But if you're like doing something specific where it's digging into your contacts and
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sending messages, I don't think it's that terrible that it might want to ask.
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Like I think that there is a like a spectrum of of responses where
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it might require you to do this kind of thing.
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I wonder if this is gonna be a similar system, now that I think
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about it, to the people detection that they have for home home kit cameras.
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Could be home home kit cameras can keep a log of known people.
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And it comes from your photos database, right?
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The more I think about it, the more it makes sense, I think.
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That they're gonna rely on some kind of maybe it's not necessarily gonna be
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face ID, but like person detection, maybe based on uh a similar system like
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the photo library or family sharing.
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I think it actually makes a lot more sense uh that maybe depending on
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the type of the request, like if, say my girlfriend walks into the kitchen
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and says, um, I don't know, close the uh close the garage door, that
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goes through.
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But then if she says, send a message to Mike, you know, maybe that's
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gated by some other by some permission system.
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But there could be like a a you know, my hope would be that
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the device has a bunch of ways to try and work out who it
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Like, what about ultra wideband?
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You know how if my phone is in my pocket and it's close to
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this thing, you know it's me.
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You know what?
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Like, I think that there's a there's a whole spectrum of options that Apple
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has to try and connect users and devices together, right?
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From like proximity and stuff like that.
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You look at even just the work they've done with air tags, you know,
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that I will get a ping to say like this air tag is traveling
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with people.
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They they've really kind of worked out this location stuff.
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They could pull all of that together into it.
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It's in there are options available to them.
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I hope they make the right decisions.
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This this uh home pad has been following you around.
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Whose home pad is this?
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Get it out of your pocket.
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Also, there was a reference to a wall-mounted version of the home hub confirming
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that there'll be two models.
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The other version is it's will include a speaker base.
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Speaker base is good.
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I guess the wall-mounted one will just have like front facing speakers, maybe.
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Maybe that's why it's two SKUs.
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You know, I talked about like that it should just be one and have
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Maybe that's why it's two.
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Like the rack mounted Mac Pro.
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That's what it made me think of.
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It's like it's all the same stuff, but you just gotta configure it differently.
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Turn 90 degrees.
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I mean, maybe, right?
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Like it has little speakeys on the front.
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I don't know why I said that.
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I'm very embarrassed.
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Speaking of speakeasies?
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I'm very embarrassed.
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I don't like that at all.
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I don't like that at all.
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I apologize.
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I'm not very well.
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Okay, more on Mike's war with Australia.
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I mean, it's not really about that, but it could be.
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So Anonymous wrote in.
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So this was about there was a report that the foldable phone may not
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be coming everywhere at once, including Australia.
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Is that what it was?
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How it started?
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Well, yeah, I mean, yes, it was just saying it was just gonna be
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in America only.
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That was how it started.
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And it was it was a an Australian outlet was reporting on this based
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on a conversation of a telecoms executive.
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And then we had further follow-up, which was like telecoms executives don't know anything.
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And then we were talking about the ads that they have to make, and
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I was thinking about those, how funny they are and how hard they must
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And so an anonymous person wrote in and said, I work in telecoms marketing.
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I know the trick to new iPhone TV spots.
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The actors just say the new iPhone, and the device is only ever shown
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in tight insets.
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The main narrative in any celebrity footage is filmed way in advance.
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Right after the announcement, they shoot close-up product insets and drop them in.
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This person gave a bit more information, like specific information with a particular actor
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that I decided to cut out in yes got them in trouble.
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But just saying, like, you know, they they said, you know, there was they
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do this sort of time where it will be somebody else's hand holding the
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phone or whatever.
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So that's how they make it work.
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Which, you know, it seems like the way you would do it, right?
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This is how you would do it.
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But it was interesting to hear from someone who's like, oh yeah, we have
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You're just like they shoot it all in advance, they know they've got to
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do these pickup shots, and they just wait until the Apple gives them a
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phone so they can do it.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I I that's gotta be such a like complicated thing to do.
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You gotta do it worldwide, always on.
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You gotta keep it secret, keep it safe.
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Like it's just so many things that go wrong, and then you end up
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leaking it all on Tahoe, anyways.
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Yeah, so what's the point?
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Tim has beef with you.
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Tim says, I don't know why you put this in here.
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Like, this is just a sort of comment I would have just deleted, but
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I put it in there for a reason.
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Tim says, I love maybe it's that Tim.
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I love this podcast and the conversations you guys have.
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Very informative.
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But Mike, what is all the dropping letters in your words about?
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Do you want to read the example, Steven?
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Monitor becomes monitor.
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You drop the T.
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Party becomes party.
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Say the drink that comes out of the faucet.
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Well, you see, here's the thing.
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I say it with a D.
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This is a good thing, right?
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So monitor becomes monitor.
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Party becomes party.
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Excited becomes excited.
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And important becomes important.
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This is just where I grew up, man.
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You know, like in where I grew up in East London, a lot of
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consonants just get dropped, and I've worked very hard to try and stop this.
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And so what Tim is missing, I think here is it is inconsistent with
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It depends on how quickly I'm speaking.
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And consistent inconsistent.
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I mean, seriously, it can get real bad.
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And I've worked a lot of this stuff out because I don't like the
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way it sounds, I'm being honest.
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And so I try to I try very hard to use all my consonants
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and mind my P's and Q's.
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But sometimes I slip through, and Tim has noticed that.
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All of this to say, here's some criticism.
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So now I'm gonna take some time for a bit of promotion.
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So now I'm gonna take some time for some promotion.
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Designed in California is coming on Wednesday.
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Wait, what's the logical connection between this two?
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He just wants to pimp his show.
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I no, I like I broke myself down, so then I give myself an
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opportunity to I give a gift, right?
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Okay gift to me.
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Design in California.
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Why don't we foremaster Bruce?
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Uh, new episodes start dropping on Wednesday.
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Uh the first new season of the show, new content, is a seven-part series
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um about Apple's Mac OS crisis that led to them buying next.
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Uh these feature special guest John Syracusa.
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Uh you can go and subscribe now at relay.fm slash designed.
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Uh there'll be two episodes dropping on Wednesday and then new episodes every week.
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But people who are members, mostly those who supported the Kickstarter campaign, they get
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all seven episodes of those of that series at once.
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It's uh nearly five hours, I think, is the the series uh run in
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So go to relay.fm slash designed.
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Um I will say, just maybe isn't that like uh humble.
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Uh it's really good.
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I I it is good.
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I feel very, very, very happy with the quality of this show.
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Um I would love it if people would check it out.
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I I we've worked very, very hard, and I think it shows, and uh
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I'm really pleased of how it's all coming together.
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So you can go subscribe, check it out, listen to the first series, uh,
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and hopefully stay for a long time.
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Breaking news.
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Apple announces September 9th surprise and shine event.
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Surprise and shine.
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Not their best name.
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Nah, they've done better.
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They've done better.
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Surprise and shine.
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Surprise and shine.
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Why is Apple trying to suggest that I look directly into the sun?
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It's it's like what is this?
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Is this an eclipse?
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Like, what is happening in this image?
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It it could be an app eclipse.
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You look up at the sky, you look up at the sky, and you
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see a light.
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Uh, and uh John Turnus comes down from the sky.
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And uh and uh bestows an iPhone Ultra upon him.
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This is the last episode of the Tim Cook era.
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And the banana for real.
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I had it even by team.
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Yeah, so yeah.
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We're gonna talk about Macs in a minute, maybe what else we'll see at
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Uh we will be like we've said, we'll be doing the Rickies next week,
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making our picks and then grading them the week after.
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So very exciting time.
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I'm more excited about this iPhone event than I've been in a minute, for
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Well, yeah, because there's there's like so many questions, right?
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But do they honestly think that that the default is a surprise at this
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No, not the hardware, but I think the most interesting questions I have at
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least are software.
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Like, what is it new when you open it?
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So we'll see.
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You know, and again, like, do do I don't know.
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Do are people who are gonna buy this in six months, do they know
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it's coming right now?
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Like maybe, maybe not.
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I don't know.
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It's hard to tell because we're so wired in.
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Do you think John Turnos will say good morning?
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My theory is that John Turnos will start saying hello.
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Hello, the classic Mac hello.
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Does he say it in a cursive way?
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So you joke about it, but you know that there's a whole thing in
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Uh okay, okay, hold on.
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I'm gonna fill you in on a bit of uh Italian um uh sort
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of social media culture.
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Uh a really uh a quite popular uh Italian influencer went like viral a
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few years ago for speaking in cursive.
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It was it was a whole thing.
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It was a whole stupid thing that that became a meme.
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And so like you can you can speak Italian cursive if you want, and
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it's so silly.
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Italian listeners will know what I'm talking about.
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What does that mean?
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I don't wanna do it because it's gonna sound ridiculous.
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So don't do it.
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It's so stupid though.
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But don't tell me you can do it, and then basically like you're basically
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um so instead of saying buongiorno, right, which will be good morning, you make
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it all slow and cursive, like bonjour now.
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Like you're slowing it down.
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You're slowing it down.
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So what we're looking for is hello.
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Yeah, kinda, that would be cursive.
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That would be weird though if he did that, right?
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Vibes wise, that would be a very strange way to start the event.
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Italian listeners, I'm so sorry that I had to do this.
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Uh someone asked me last night, a friend of mine who follows Apple stuff.
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I think he listens to the show.
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So if you do, hello Sean.
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Um if he if Turnus would remain like jeans and black t-shirt, like he
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And I think he will.
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I don't think they're gonna change him.
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Yeah, I don't think you would change him.
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Because they would have had the opportunity to do that already, right?
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There was that one picture in the announcement where they were like walking around
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Apple Park laughing, and they're dressed in a similar fashion.
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Well, they also had that thing recently, right?
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Where they were both at the um Ted Lasso premiere and they were dressed
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exactly the same again.
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Did you see those photos?
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So maybe they maybe they are gonna change it.
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Maybe they are gonna change him.
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I don't know.
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Well, no, maybe no, it's only when he's with Tim they have to dress
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them the same.
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Maybe otherwise he can dress however he wants to.
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Do you think that adjacent to Tim Cook's office?
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But definitely adjacent to Craig Federig's.
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There's like a closet full of the shirts they wear.
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Like an inside them.
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Someone has them.
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It's like someone's job to be a shirt.
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It's like in Mad Men, right?
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Where like Don Draper's assistant has a bunch of shirts for him in a
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That's right.
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Because you never know what's gonna happen, and he can't be walking around with
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like guacamole on his t shirt, can he?
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So if like Craig Fodrigu is decides to eat a burrito at Cafe Max
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for lunch and spills some guacamole on his shirt, there's somebody who's like, Craig,
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don't worry about it.
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I d I wonder if I mean I assume Craig has like executive assistance.
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But like, I don't know.
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Oh, for sure.
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Obviously, the CEO does.
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But like how it's like how many, right?
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Like I bet Craig.
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I bet Craig's got two.
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If somebody knows right in right in front of it.
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Does he have a set of shirts in a drawer?
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Does he ever spill food on himself?
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Does he ever spill food in himself?
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And if he does, are you ready to help?
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Maybe maybe that's why he unbuttons his shirt so far so the guacamole goes
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in the shirt.
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Is that better?
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Well, it's not staining.
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Well, no, but it might stain from the inside.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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So then it's then it's then it's on you and on the shirt.
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So if you put a new shirt on, you may also stain the next
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Because you have now you have guacamole on you, no, you're both.
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I guarantee you Tim Cook has access to a shower at work.
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I mean, yeah, there's the fitness.
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Well, I I mean like I bet he's got a personal bathroom and shower.
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Oh, like the executive bathroom?
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I mean, you've got to, right?
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Isn't that the whole point?
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That's what I call the to be the CEO.
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That's what I call the bathroom upstairs in our house, which is really the
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kids' bathroom, but when no one else is home, it's the executive bathroom.
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It's like that bathroom serves the two exact opposite ends, right?
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It's the kids' bathroom, which is the worst bathroom, and then also the executive
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Oh, it's a disaster in there, man.
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It's horrifying.
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They're just gonna do what they do, you know.
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Can you imagine what it is like to be John Turner's right now?
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I would not be sleeping much.
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Oh, I think he's sleeping alright.
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Well, knowing that you're gonna get the most important and potentially lucrative job in
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the tech world for at least a decade to come.
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That's why you're not sleeping for you.
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But that's exactly why I think we we react to these things differently.
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Like that's the reason I wouldn't sleep.
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Nah, I think you're sleeping alright if you're that person.
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I mean, obviously you have responsibility.
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But like crash.
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Yeah, but like you're gonna be the Apple CEO.
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I had a call today, someone and they were and they were asking me
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to explain what this is gonna mean, right?
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And it's like, well, the story that is going to be told is that
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jobs is back, right?
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Like that is the store, like a very simple level.
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My the ex my expectation is the story is we're back to product, right?
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Like that is what I think is going to happen in this event.
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And stuff like these home products, a part of that of like, hey, we're
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just doing some weird stuff.
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What do you think of our weird stuff?
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As well as like we got look out, look how we have innovated with
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And thank thanks to me.
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Like, I this is where they're going, I figure.
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It's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Speaking of product innovation.
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The polishing cloth is back.
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It never went away.
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Polishing cloth too.
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So it is $9 now as opposed to 19.
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It's unclear how it relates to the first one.
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I saw a post someone said that it was softer.
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We don't know if it's the same size, but don't worry.
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I bought one and it comes tomorrow.
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Emergency pod tomorrow.
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Do you remember when Federica was quoted in the New York Times?
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I think about it all the time.
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I was the Fitici, Mr.
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I don't know what it said because I can't read this article because I
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don't subscribe to the New York Times.
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I actually linked to it in my post.
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Let me just tell you what Federico said.
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Uh Federico Vittici, editor in chief of Mac Stories, a website dedicated to Apple
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News and apps, said he initially thought the polishing cloth, capital letters was a
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I've been cleaning my iPhone screen and my iPad screen with a cloth that
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comes with my eyeglasses or my t-shirt or a paper towel.
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Like normal people.
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That's in the New York Times.
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Like normal people, he said.
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I I like that you you even went with like, oh, I'm using my
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like a cloth.
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No, you're just using the t-shirt, and you just but you didn't want to
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Or a paper towel, which is unhinged.
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Vitici, who is based in Italy, said he ended up buying the potion cloth.
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Said he ended up buying the polishing cloth because, quote, I kind of realized
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the mean potential here.
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His tweets about the product have since gotten hundreds or thousands of likes and
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retweets with subscribers to his site asking for exclusive cloth photos.
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Did that last part actually happen?
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That sounds made up.
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Yeah, I don't I don't know if that bit happened.
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No, that happened.
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That happened.
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People were asking for pictures.
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That that was a whole John was asking for pictures for the blog post.
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No, that was that was a whole thing.
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It was wild.
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I had a full phone call with the reporter from the Times about the
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cloth for like 25 minutes.
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Truly unhinged that situation.
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That's awesome.
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I feel like the New York Times should write about other stuff.
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Like I I would expect this article somewhere else, maybe.
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The Verge would write this.
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I don't know.
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This just doesn't feel like a New York Times article to me, but I'm
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happy that you got to be a part of it, Federico, you know.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Not take it away from you, you know.
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Oh, you know what?
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I just realized.
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Oh man, I was um hang on.
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This will be worth it, I promise.
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Give me like for three minutes or two minutes.
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No, just a second.
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I I think I have to open it in um in Apple News.
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Uh the Atlantic.
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I'm trying to find.
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So I was interviewed by a writer at The Atlantic like two weeks ago,
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and the article's up, but I don't know if they quoted me because I
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can't I can't I don't have a subscription.
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What is wrong with what is going on here?
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One week ago.
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What was the interview about?
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It was about Was it about the polishing cloth?
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No, it was about the sort of extending of the cell cycle of live
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technology and how some people are looking for like at the used market.
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I'm trying to see if she quoted me though.
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Did you say the cell cycle?
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The s like the selling cycle.
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Like oh, I thought you meant like like like organisms.
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The nucleus is extended.
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They're born and then they die, and then there's more cells and then they
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Oh, that sucks.
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Oh man, that's that's hurtful.
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Then we shouldn't link to it.
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I called them back on a Saturday.
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No Stephen, no link.
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That's what I say.
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That's what I say.
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None of that five.
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None of them anything.
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They don't deserve anything.
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That's hilarious.
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Um, this is an opportunity to shout out our friend Quinn Nelson of Snazzy
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Product company is Copeland based on the I know a lot about Copeland now.
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Yeah, I bet you do.
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I know a lot about it now.
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And they did a cloth pro Max, which is is bigger than the Apple
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one, and it's actually awesome.
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He sent me one, and it's it's fantastic.
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Incredible product.
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It's very good.
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I wanted to shout out his hats.
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I just bought two of his hats.
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He um no cap is really it's my new hat.
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I love this hat.
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It's the spotlight controls.
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I said spotlight again.
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Man, why can't I stop doing it?
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Traffic lights.
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Yeah, traffic light controls on it's the window controls for the Mac, which is
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It's a great hat.
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It's also a shallow hat.
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Like I think these have got a particular name, but I don't know what
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So it's maybe not for everyone, but I like it.
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And then there's also a uh Claros like moof hat, which I also got
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one of those rubber hats.
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Also an incredible website.
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Yeah, it's good.
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It's really good.
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It's a really good website.
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I think I have one of everything he's made.
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He sends me stuff, which is nice of him.
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Well, I bought all this stuff, so Quim, what are we doing?
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It's very good.
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Uh you should go, you should go check that out.
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The website is incredible.
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Next time I've redesigned five felt pixels, it's gonna look like this.
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Yeah, I figured you'd say that.
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I mean, you're not far away.
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Yeah, I went for like the 90s vibe this time around.
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Well is it well, isn't it inspired by the Severance computer, or is that
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was that a different redesign?
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That's how it started.
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If you go to the 404 page on 5 fill pixels, it's like a
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homage to Severance.
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And then I was like, oh, this looks terrible with the orange.
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And then I redesigned the whole site.
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It's very intense here 404 page.
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It's pretty good, right?
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There's some terrible things happening to make that page load the way that it
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I guess if you haven't seen Severance, then like don't go to this.
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Because it's a bit of a spot.
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I think people who land on this page who haven't seen Severance are just
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like, what is this guy smoking?
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But Steven, how many errors on your website?
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A very few because it's a it's a statically generated site, so I have
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redirects that are static for anything that's broken.
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You just had to say this right now.
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I don't really know what that means, what you just said.
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Being honest.
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Why would it be in a static site mean you have less 404?
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I was just I was just one of the street cred.
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Well, good for you, you know.
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The polishing cloth is not the only new thing from Apple this week.
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The magic keyboard.
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The order is so wrong.
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No, it's fantastic.
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Really wrong.
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No, hey, hey.
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You forgot another one.
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No, you forgot another one, Steven.
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This is new new plug, right?
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Oh, there's the new power adapter.
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This is really nice.
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It's not available in the EU and Vietnam.
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Yeah, this looks really nice.
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This is the 40 watt dynamic power adapter that can actually go up to
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I've got a couple of these because they've been in the US first, obviously.
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And um they're really great.
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I mean, because it it will put out that power, and the thing is
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Like I this this adapter is fantastic.
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Why not just buy a bit a more powerful one?
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I don't understand what why we need this, like oh, it will go up
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to the just get a 60 watt adapter, you know.
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But it's not dynamic.
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Yeah, but but why?
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Why do I need dynamic?
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You know what dynamic?
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You know what dynamic power adapter says to me?
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Oh god, here we go again.
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Oh that's what it says to me.
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I don't want anything dynamic to ramp in on it.
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Did you have any fire hazard like trauma when you were little?
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No, you think so, right?
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I I am worried about fire a lot.
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I think about fire a lot.
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You know, if you keep thinking about it, it's gonna happen to you eventually.
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And then I'll be ready.
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Well, I have fire extinguishers at home.
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I have a fire extinguisher.
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What dude, you should.
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I don't want to get into this again, but there was a do you
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have a smoke alarm, Federico?
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Oh no, we've had this conversation before.
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I don't want to get into this again.
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So he's not gonna get a fire extinguisher, is he?
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He doesn't have a smoke alarm.
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How would you know something's on fire to use it, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This actually happened to me in the middle of the night at like 3
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my power supply unit for my gaming P for my EGPU at the time.
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Caught on fire.
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You know what I did?
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I open I opened the window and threw it out.
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Straight into the pool downstairs.
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Just like that's what I did.
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So I I want to have none of your smoke up in here.
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I just I just opened the window and and I was like, okay, yeah,
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I'm done with the GPUs.
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All of my fire extinguishing products are from a company called I think it's
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FireXO or FireJoe or something.
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Because they make a fire extinguisher product that is for all fires.
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Oh, he got a bougie one.
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Look, the worst thing about fire extinguishers is.
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You got the Johnny I fire extinguisher.
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You have to think about what you're extinguishing.
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It's a terrible way to live.
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It's carved out of one single block of aluminum.
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They also do this thing called a panfire sachet, which I have.
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So like if you have panfire, you can just throw this thing in and
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it will just extinguish the panfire.
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Oh, that's a good call.
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I need one of those.
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I'm buying one.
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The fancy fire equipment.
00:32:19
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Can can we talk about the new keyboards?
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Yes, please.
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It's obviously the most important thing.
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There are, yes.
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Uh speaking of new hardware, there's an update to the magic keyboard on the
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new keyboards.
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The um uh the tab caps lock shift return and delete keycaps.
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Uh they have glyphs instead of text.
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You don't like them?
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What do you mean boo?
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I just I want it every turn.
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Interesting.
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That's the way it should be.
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So I have words.
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I'm pretty sure like Mike, the the UK and the European layouts have been
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like this for a while now, right?
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With glyphs?
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Am I mistaken?
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I think they have.
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Uh I think so, yeah.
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Yeah, like my big old return key, which definitely has the space, yeah.
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Just has the little little return icon on it.
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And the laptops have have moved this way.
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No, no, really, the biggest disappointment here is that the small one, the small
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touch ID keyboard, which is the one I use without the number pad, is
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still only in silver.
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Like, make a black one.
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Sell the color ones.
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That's what you should do.
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I don't think I've been looking on the Apple website.
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I don't think that there is a UK version of that weird power adapter
00:33:39
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that you two like Brexit.
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There's no UK version, so it's only EU and Vietnam.
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I mean, there's a US one.
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There's a US one.
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I think it might be because of our very significant um plug thing that
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That no one understands.
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Well, Johnny, I have made that.
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Oh, it's so much safer.
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I mean, but like it is, though?
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So, like, you can't do that.
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No, no, no, no.
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We're not going to talk about fire again.
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We just want to do that.
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I've got loads of stuff to talk about.
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We use 220 for everything.
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You want to talk about fires?
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I can talk about fires all day.
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I got big news.
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Big the biggest news of the week.
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I don't know why it's in the middle of the show, but here it
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Relay for St.
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Jude 2026, baby.
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It's it's here.
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We launched it today.
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Saint Jude.org slash relay.
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You can donate.
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You can create a fundraiser.
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You can give through a donor advice fund.
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If you have a job that has employee matching uh gift program, which a
00:34:43
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lot of companies do, it's really easy to manage that all on the on
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the same website.
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Um, but why does this matter?
00:34:50
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Why do we talk about St.
00:34:51
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Jude every year?
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Uh there's lots of great reasons that we're gonna enumerate them throughout the month
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of September, which is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.
00:34:59
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Um, but we do it because St.
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Jude treats some of the sickest kids in the world, and they do that
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without regard to the family's ability to pay, without regard from where they're from,
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what they look like, what they believe, what they think.
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Jude is in the business of curing children.
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And there's a lot of stuff in the world that's bad.
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Childhood cancer is the worst.
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And we're trying to beat it through St.
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It's the worst, man.
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I'm off the talking points for sure.
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But you really are.
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It's the worst.
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You're veering like close in the world.
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It's not September yet.
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It's this is this is just between us.
00:35:37
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So you're just speaking.
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This is just Steven.
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This is just me.
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Yeah, this is not yeah.
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Oh, I saw you join the uh host version of the copy reads.
00:35:44
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Yeah, I uh Mike very quickly opened the Google document because Steven was just
00:35:50
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He's just gone.
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So I was like, maybe someone needs to open the channel.
00:35:53
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Oh, Jill joined.
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You're in trouble now, buddy.
00:35:57
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So let me give you some some real numbers.
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An estimated 400,000 children worldwide get cancer each year.
00:36:04
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And when St.
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Jude opened back in 1962, it was considered largely incurable.
00:36:10
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Um but since then, St.
00:36:12
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Jude has helped push the overall survival rate in the US from 20% to
00:36:16
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more than 80%.
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But they're not happy with that because 80% is not a hundred.
00:36:21
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And worldwide, those numbers vary in huge ways.
00:36:25
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Again, we're gonna talk some more that later this month about what St.
00:36:27
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Jude is doing about that, um, getting treatment, getting medication shared around the world.
00:36:32
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But uh this is all made possible through people who give and donate.
00:36:37
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And I can tell you firsthand, because my family's a St.
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Jude family, my 17 year old son was diagnosed with a with brain cancer
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when he was just six months old.
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Saint Jude is incredible.
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And the fact that you don't have to worry about paying for the world-class
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And so we would love to have you join us.
00:37:01
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Uh Mike, you want to talk a little bit about kind of some stuff
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we're doing this month.
00:36:59
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Oh, there's so many things.
00:37:06
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There's there's like the things they continue.
00:37:09
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Um, this September, you can help St.
00:37:12
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Jude give kids with cancer hope for more tomorrow.
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And we're inviting you, as a member of the relay community, to help us
00:37:19
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reach our farm raising goal, which is $700,000 this year for Childhood Cancer Awareness
00:37:25
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There are multiple ways that you can support the campaign.
00:37:28
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All of the information is at Saint Jude.org/slash relay.
00:37:31
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That's obviously where you can go to make a donation.
00:37:34
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If you just want to make a donation, we will appreciate that greatly.
00:37:37
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Your donation can unlock some great rewards for you.
00:37:40
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Uh donors making an individual gift of sixty dollars or more will be eligible
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to redeem a digital bundle of campaign-themed warp papers and the beautiful macOS screensaver
00:37:51
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developed by uh the famous about screen peakalc about screen maker James Thompson.
00:37:58
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So thank you to James for that, and also to Jelly for the incredible
00:38:01
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work that they've made for us uh this year.
00:38:03
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Uh it's uh what would you what would you say the theme is, Stephen?
00:38:08
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Yeah, it's the it's the old West.
00:38:10
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We're cowboys.
00:38:13
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If you haven't seen the artwork, my work is truly unbelievable.
00:38:17
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Um go look at it.
00:38:18
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Create some really interesting conversations where Steven was uh so I was we've got
00:38:22
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the podcast on coming.
00:38:24
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We'll talk about that later.
00:38:25
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But Stephen was like, everybody, be aware cowboy does not mean farmer.
00:38:31
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That's right.
00:38:32
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There's some very specific uh uh wardrobe direction that we got from Steven this
00:38:37
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year in the artwork.
00:38:39
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That's right.
00:38:40
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Uh so you please go and look at that on the page because it
00:38:43
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really is incredible.
00:38:43
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And if you make a gift of $100 or more, you can redeem the
00:38:44
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2026 Western themed sticker pack where you get a sticker of all of the
00:38:51
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hosts in our in our Western garb uh along with some additional St.
00:38:55
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Jude and relay stickers.
00:38:57
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But ultimately, the reason you're doing this is to give these kids more tomorrow's.
00:39:02
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So go to St.
00:39:03
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Jude.org slash relay.
00:39:04
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You can donate.
00:39:05
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You can also start a fundraiser of your own.
00:39:08
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So this is a great way for you to be able to extend the
00:39:12
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message of St.
00:39:12
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Jude to your own friends, your family, your workplace.
00:39:16
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Uh, and you can raise money there.
00:39:18
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Um, it all goes into our overall total, and there are some really awesome
00:39:22
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incentives for fundraising.
00:39:24
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Lots of like fun physical rewards.
00:39:26
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Um, the the challenge coins this year are unbelievably cool and this loads of
00:39:32
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Um, no one can see that, including me, but I'm pleased that you have
00:39:36
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Well uh Saint Jude.org slash relay.
00:39:38
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You can go and find out more about all of this.
00:39:40
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Um, you know, we talk about a lot of things throughout the month, uh,
00:39:43
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and and we will do as we go up to the podcast of time,
00:39:47
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which is at the end of the campaign this year.
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Um, and Stephen mentioned it, you know, like the reason that we started doing
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this uh is honestly like a a thank you to St.
00:39:58
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Jude for saving Josiah's life, right?
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I think that's why we started this.
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But I think now, like at this point, we're just really committed to ending
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childhood cancer.
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That's that's what we're doing now, and like we can do it together.
00:40:12
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Like every year we chip away.
00:40:14
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Look, this year we're gonna pass $5 million dollars raised since 2019 for the
00:40:20
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And that is what we did that together, and you can continue to help
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us as we uh push further and further to helping out all these wonderful
00:40:28
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children and all the people that make it possible.
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So please go to St.
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Jude.org slash relay, get involved as you always do.
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Thank you so much.
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E L E V E N.
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So spelled out 11labs.io slash connected.
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Our thanks to 11 labs for their support of the show and all of
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What is next?
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Well, I'll do it then.
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There's new Macs, everyone.
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What's wrong with the transition?
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This is a good transition.
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We're all selling right now.
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It's been a minute.
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We haven't done this in a year, you know?
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Remember the downstairs computer?
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They're just like, hey, here you go.
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It's actually downstairs right now.
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If you want me to go get it.
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I was taking some medicine.
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I had taken some I'd taken some.
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No, that's fine.
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It was the point.
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I'd taken some pills out of uh Blister Pack.
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And then you said, Mike, why don't you tell everyone?
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I was like, okay, well, I'll wait then.
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And then you saw it speaking again.
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So I thought maybe now's the time, but it still wasn't the time.
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But now I will tell you about Macs.
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So we've got new Mac minis, new Mac Studios.
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Yeah, I mean, I to me, the interesting thing, or the surprise.
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I'm not surprised that these products exist.
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I'm I'm mostly surprised about the Mac Mini.
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Because they're doing to the Mac Mini kind of like what they did to
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the Mac Studio last time, where they're like, what if we give you two
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completely different chip generations in one?
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So the new Mac Mini, the base Mac Mini has an M6 chip.
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Which is the first M6, yeah.
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Didn't the M5 come out like 10 months ago or something?
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It was October, I think.
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So it's it's um it's pretty wild that we're already on the M5 on
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And the Pro version is the M5 Pro.
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So that's what you can get for your Mac Mini right now.
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So the M6 is a new chip generation.
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It's uh assumedly this core will also be the core for the A20 for
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the pro iPhones.
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And what is notable about this is Apple's first two nanometer process.
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We're getting we're getting down there.
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We are that's that's John Turnis is carving those by hand, people.
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Yeah, there's not many more nanometers to go, and then we're we're done with
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What's after nanometers?
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Me and Jason spoke about this.
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He knows, and I don't remember, and it sounded ridiculous.
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Um, but yeah, that there is there is something.
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There's like another thing.
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Uh the M6 chip has uh Apple's first 12 core CPU in the base
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It features six efficiency cores, four performance cores, and two supercores.
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Reading from the uh aforementioned Jason Snell, according to Apple, each core design is
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focused on a different primary task.
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Efficiency cores are meant to sit power, useful for when running simple background tasks.
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Performance cores are optimized for complex multi-threaded jobs, and supercores were created to offer
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the highest possible single threaded performance.
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And you'll remember I think it was in the one of the M5 chip
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revisions, they like rebranded a bunch of the cores to bring supercore in.
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I think it was like they super in performance or something.
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And they retrofitted like oh those other cores we have they would also be
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classed as this.
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So but that's a lot of cores uh in a in a base chip
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like that is a powerful chip sitting in the M6.
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The no this is confusing the neural engine is now two 16 core neural
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engines instead of one it's I don't know why it's they don't I mean
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I'm sure there's a really good reason why it's not a 32 core engine
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but it's two 16 cores um but that's what they have so obviously it's
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two times faster because they they put a second one in uh there is
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a 12 core GPU and every core has a neural accelerator instead of there
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being just one so this results in four times faster AI performance and two
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times faster graphics than the M4 Mini.
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Just pausing on this for a second so the M6 this is the chip
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that they're abandoning if you uh follow Mark German's right that there will he
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has said that there will not be an M6 Pro Max or Ultra.
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And they'll go straight to the M7.
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But this sounds like a very capable, powerful chip.
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Yeah, it does.
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So what is gonna be in that M7 chip?
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I you know, I think that I was reflecting on like it's hard to
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believe we've had six generations of this now.
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I kind of think that every time it's like these are so good and
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they age so gracefully.
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Like I have no interest in updating my M4 Mac MacBook Pro for a
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And it's just they're really doing such a good job with these.
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Uh you know, surely if they if they don't do the Pro Max Ultra,
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there are technical reasons for it that we may we may never know.
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Well, I mean, they said it's they want more AI power, right?
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But like you can just do how much.
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I mean, uh surely it's I mean, you would assume it's gonna be pretty
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significant.
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Like they've worked out something pretty significant that they're bringing forward.
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Um, and so you know, maybe the M7 has the same kind of core
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counts for the CPU and GPU, but the neural engine, maybe they're making big
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advancements there that is more than just putting two 16 core engines together or
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something like that.
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But it's just interesting.
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I mean, we're gonna talk in a minute.
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Federica wrote a great article kind of breaking down the ultra and it's kind
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of um what it can mean for AI, but it's like that already sounds
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so powerful.
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I have a good quote to read in a minute, that like it's baffling
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to me that they feel the need to jump the entire M6 generation because
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they've got something else.
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Like, what on earth is that gonna be?
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So that'd be interesting.
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But we'll park that for now because we don't have any details.
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Come back to the Mac Mini.
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This is the sad part.
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The Mac mini has a new base price of eight hundred and ninety-nine dollars
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at the same configuration of RAM and SSD.
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So it's $100 more expensive than the price increase they had just done, which
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overall now makes the current Mac Mini 50% more expensive than the pre-price increase
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model for the same configuration.
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Which is rough.
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At least for this, yeah, for the for that configuration.
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The M5 Pro model starts at $16.99, which is up a hundred also up
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a hundred dollars.
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All of the Mac minis get Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and 2.5 gigabit giv
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gigabit Ethernet as standard.
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That's cool.
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That's really cool to have 2.5 as the base.
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You can still go up to 10.
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Um, but it starts at the base.
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The M6 chip gets Thunderbolt 4.
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The M5 Pro gets Thunderbolt 5.
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That's just a bandwidth issue, I think, more than anything.
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Um 2.5 is sweet though.
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I use a Belkin adapter on my M4 Mac Mini to get it up
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And uh I mean that's fine.
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That works really well, but uh that's really cool to see them do 2.5.
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And uh I I you know and the Mac Studio, I think it's all
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10 gig on the Mac Studio, so this is a nice it the I
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feel like the relationship between the Mac Mini and the Mac Studio still makes
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Speaking of the Mac Studio, yes.
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So we have M5 Max and M5 Ultra.
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This is a quote from Apple.
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M5 Ultra, the ultimate powerhouse for Pro and AI workloads, uses next generation Ultra
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Fusion technology to form a quad die architecture for the first time in an
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M series system on a chip.
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So they've pushed their technology forward to allow them to do this, like bringing
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a bunch of chips together.
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Um quad die.
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Wasn't this some this was like a there was like a big set of
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rumors about this a long time ago, right?
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Yeah, so a long time ago, like I think even in like the M1
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days, there was rumor, and I think some evidence to suggest that there was
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going to be a quad or an extreme chip at the high end.
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Because up until this point, the ultra has been two maxes fused together with
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the um that ultrafusion like edge on the side of them.
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And this is really what those old rumors said is like there's gonna be
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four of them put together.
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It is a quad die architecture.
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Yeah, but like what are the quads though?
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Uh I'm not sure off the top of that.
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Right, you know what I mean?
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Like, let's see.
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Is it four maxes?
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I think it's four maxes.
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I would assume, but I haven't done that for I mean, we could do
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Yeah, we can we can't have math for you.
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We have the power.
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But the the what's what's interesting to me about this is that it's just
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the ultra that it's they're not doing something above the ultra, and that feels
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tied to like the Mac Pro decision, and like if the Mac Pro had
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been successful in the Apple Silicon era, part of the story was like well,
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maybe the studio will max out with the ultra chip, and then the Mac
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Pro, you get the Ultra or the Quad, you know, whatever they were gonna
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Um, but they've gone this route instead, and I mean if if you So
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M5 Ultra uses Ultra Fusion to connect to two dual die M5 Max chips
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to form the quad die architecture.
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Okay, so it's two of two.
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Two of two pros then.
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Yeah, effectively.
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Because the max is two pros.
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The ultra is four pros.
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That's aka two maxes.
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So that will get you up to 26 CPU cores, up to 80 GPU
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cores, and a max RAM of 512 gigabytes, which I do not believe is
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the maximum that this computer can support.
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And not even till October.
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You can't do the 512 version until a month later.
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Um yeah, I would imagine that this architecture, because something else that has been
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Um, I'm not sure if Gurm what generation Gurman has pinned this to, so
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maybe I'm I'm mixing things up a little bit.
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But the old Intel Mac Pro could go to 1.5 terabytes of RAM.
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And Apple Silicon has not met that, and there have been rumors that Apple
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is getting close to that.
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I would imagine that this new Ultra could probably do a terabyte of memory,
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just kind of off the top of my head.
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But they can't get it, and if they could, you can't afford it.
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And so this, you know, I would imagine that if the world were different,
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this high-end machine may have different options.
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Yeah, that would make sense.
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Uh this machine, the uh M5 Max version starts at $2,499, which is the
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same as the M4 model.
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It was originally 1,999.
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The M5 Ultra starts at $5,000.
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$5,499, which is up $200 from what it's replacing.
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Again, originally $3,999.
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Both of these machines can be ordered now, but they're not shipping until the
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22nd of September, which is a very long lead time.
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I've heard some people suggest that maybe there's like they're trying to manage demand
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for these computers.
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I could see that.
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Maybe they're trying not to ship too many of these to local shipping places
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and just do a bit more build-to-order on them.
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That and iOS, I'm sure.
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Um that date's not super surprising.
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I mean, that's you know, new iPhone week, so yeah, but you know the
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Macs sometimes like I mean, I know it's not it hasn't been like this
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in a while, but sometimes the Macs lifts.
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Sometimes it lacks the iPhone's date.
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Um I think the most interesting thing about the this announcement is that it's
00:55:20
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Like the the number of computers Apple has announced in August is very short.
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And and you're you're doing it before the iPhone event.
00:55:29
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Like you're are you just clearing the decks before the iPhone event?
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This is what's going on there.
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The timing is just they must be, right?
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Yeah, the timing is just a little unusual.
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I mean, well, okay, I think there's two things that could be going on
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One, you could be clearing the decks before the iPhone event, or two, you've
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only now got your components together.
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Yeah, but if they require Golden Gate, like I guess you could have built
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them in a way that they didn't, but yeah.
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Um, but yeah.
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Anyways, it's yeah, it's fascinating.
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Um require Golden Gate now.
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Yeah, if they were gonna be in the spring, a Tahoe would have supported
00:56:08
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The announcement is also interesting.
00:56:10
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You know, these were press releases, but also some fun video stuff.
00:56:14
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Do you want to talk about influencers?
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Well, Apple have kind of done their own influencer marking.
00:56:19
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So the Halo Apple account, which is a very good social media account.
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I follow them on Instagram.
00:56:26
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They they share a bunch of interesting stuff there.
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They posted a video, like a reel.
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It's Shelly Goldberg, who's Apple's V A VP of hardware engineering, uh engineering.
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And it's essentially like a social media forward version of like one of their
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keynote videos.
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So she's showing off the products.
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She's in a lab.
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The lab is very empty.
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Completely empty, which is funny because in the keynotes, they kind of like dress
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them up, and there's just nothing on any table.
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Like they're completely empty, which is funny.
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This video I find interesting for a bunch of reasons.
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Shelly's good at presenting the product.
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She's talking through what they have, like it's fun animations and stuff.
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This looks very much shot on iPhone.
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Yes, for sure.
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In a way that they're shot on iPhone keynotes don't look shot on iPhone.
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Which makes me think that someone was just holding an iPhone.
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Which is good.
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Like this is looks like a made on iPhone Apple commercial thing.
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It looks like an influencer video with fancy graphics.
00:57:36
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That's what they're trying to get to, right?
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Uh, I think it's makes tons of sense.
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So I I thought it was good, and Shelley did a good job.
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And it's like this, this is like the perfect kind of thing for this
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Mm-hmm to do these kinds of things.
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Like, yeah, why not?
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And I mentioned Federico wrote an article uh about the kind of local AI
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possibilities for these.
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Um I'm gonna read some quotes from Federico's article, and then maybe I'm sure
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you, as the writer of that article, I'm sure you'll probably have some stuff
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to say about those.
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Um as someone who's been working with an M3 Ultra Mac Studio with 512
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gigabytes of RAM for the past year, with a particular focus on local AI
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models and performance gains enhanced by Apple's MLX framework.
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I am very interested in these new machines.
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The M5 Ultra's performance would be faster than any AI chatbot website.
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It'd be faster than many providers who offer a fast mode for their models,
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and it'd only be second to either dedicated Nvidia PC clusters at home or
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specialized inference providers such as Cerebrus or Grok, which are running in full blown
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data centers.
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You would need a computer that is likely going to cost more than $20,000
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to make it happen, but it'd still be possible on a single machine that
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is small, quiet, and that in theory any consumer can buy off the shelf.
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So you having looked at what Apple has published about this, you seem very
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enthused by the capability and performance of the Ultra.
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I think both the M6 and the M5 Ultra are interesting, very interesting at
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the two opposite ends of the spectrum.
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Um the M6 as a, you know, in the in the Mac mini for
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running these small local models that are based on the mixture mixture of experts
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architecture, the same one that Apple talked about, a WWDC.
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So you have these small local models from China, mostly like Quen 3.8, for
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example, is one of them, um, that are achieving really solid levels of performance,
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but they struggle to run right now on an M4 Mac Mini, right?
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You can try them, right?
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Um, that Quen model that came out a few weeks ago that has been
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generally really well reviewed and tested by people, but if you try to use
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it on an M4 Mac mini, you get like eight to ten tokens per
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second, which is very, very slow.
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Like you're looking at you're looking at the terminal or you're looking at a
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uh at a chatbot UI and the characters just appear one after the other.
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Um theoretically, so my my big question was like with this performance gains that
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Apple is talking about, is the performance gonna scale linearly from the M4 to
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the M6 or from the M3 Ultra to the M5 Ultra?
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And it sounds like it will.
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So when Apple says you're gonna get 4x the performance, which is the common
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thread for local AI.
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Uh if you look at the numbers and you look at the M6 and
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you look at the M5 Ultra, Apple is pretty consistent in saying you get
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4x the performance, whether you're coming from the base chip or whether you're coming
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from the previous fancy ultra chip.
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So it's four times faster.
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That means on a Mac Mini, that Quen model suddenly becomes something that you
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can run at like 50-ish, 50 to 55 tokens per second, which is very
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acceptable, I would say.
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I mean, if you're like a and if you're using Claude and you go
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to the Cloud website, sometimes you get even slower performance than that when you're
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talking to Claude.
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Um at the very opposite end, right?
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The M5 Ultra, that becomes really interesting for a bunch of reasons.
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Um those small models, like the same Quen that I that I mentioned, um,
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I can run it right now at a very respectable uh 40 something, like
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on 48 tokens per second.
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Uh now that becomes uh 160 on an M5 Ultra Mac Studio, which is
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really fast.
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To give you some context.
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Some some examples of what those numbers mean.
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Like what would I see?
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You would see text appear really quickly.
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When rather than text, it would be like kicking through or something.
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You would see two things.
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You would see when you hit enter, right?
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On your prompt, you would see the response come in much more quickly than
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That is a a product of uh two metrics, the so-called time to first
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So, like how much does it take the model running on that computer to
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produce the first token of the response?
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Uh, but also it means that prompt processing is much quicker than before.
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Um, so that's the first thing you're gonna see.
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It takes less for the first bit of the response to appear on screen.
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When it does appear, you will also see the text go faster in the
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response, right?
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So uh and it's hard to say on a pod, it's hard to explain
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on a podcast, like what's the difference between 50 tokens per second or 160
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tokens per second.
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It's fa it's much faster.
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Uh to but I could give you some for people of a certain age,
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like we are.
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Yeah, it was like it sound kind of sounds like how you used to
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watch images load on the internet.
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Like, I'll give you, I'll give you one, I'll give you one better.
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Uh so imagine that imagine that um 10 tokens per second is like old
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uh 56k modem connection.
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Uh 60ish, it's like going to DSL, you know, 20 years ago.
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Um, 150 is like going to basic fiber, uh, like one gigabit fiber, like
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really fast, much faster than before.
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Then you have the really fast, really, really fast specialized AI chips, uh, like
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the one that OpenAI teamed up with Cerebras.
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Those can hit like 700 tokens per second.
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That is like the equivalent of 10 gigabit fiber.
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So that's sort of the context.
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Um, so that you could like and but those are like literally specialized huge
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chips that only do AI processing.
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Like consumers cannot purchase those things.
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Um, they only exist in well, not yet.
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You know, well, suppose this M7, you know, like but the idea with this
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M5 Ultra, so at WWDC, Apple was they gave us this demo of four
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M3 Ultra Mac Studios chained together with EXO labs, which is like EXO is
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this application that uses Thunderbolt 5 and this technology called RDMA, I think, to
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essentially split the memory allocation and the local inference across multiple uh Apple Silicon
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And in that case, they were running Kimi K through Kimi K2, which has
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been replaced by Kimi K3, it's a Chinese model.
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They were running K2 on four Mac Studios with pretty good performance, like it's
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a giant, like what two trillion model or something like that, and it was
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running entirely locally on four Mac Studios.
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Uh now the Apple is saying, well, you can do the same now with
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Thunderbolt 5 and the M5 Ultra, but now it's four times faster.
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So that means that existing models can were already possible before, like these big
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giant open weights models, they're gonna be four times faster.
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But it also open it also continues pushing the boundaries.
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It also means like even bigger local models will be supported by this Mac
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Studios chained together.
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Now, obviously, we don't have the pricing for the 512 gig uh gigabyte version
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of the Mac Studio, the M5 Ultra Mac Studio.
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Uh we know that the fully spec'd um 256 gigabyte version will be just
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short of 20,000.
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Oh my gosh, I thought that was the maximum.
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Oh, it's that is the it will keep going, but we just so realistically
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we will be looking at 25k for the 512 full spec machine, right?
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So essentially, like what like uh and and I'm very I'm very uh sympathetic
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to the argument like this entire discussion about local AI is useless because to
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get that kind of level of performance with with uh with a frontier uh
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open source model, you're gonna have to spend uh 100,000.
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And no consumer is gonna do that.
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Like no sane regular listener of connected is gonna spend 100,000 to purchase four
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M5 Ultra Mac Studios just to run Kimi K3 locally.
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That's not gonna happen.
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But this means that a small business or a medium-sized business, or you know,
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uh dedicated Apple only data centers can suddenly find themselves in a pretty good
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position to say, well, we can serve these models, or you know, if you're
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a company and you wanna run AI locally and you can uh you have
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the budget to allocate a hundred a hundred thousand dollars for four servers for
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your company, that suddenly becomes a really interesting proposition because you don't have to
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pay anybody, uh you know, you don't have to pay for cloud-based inference.
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You retain all of your data because all of this stuff is running locally,
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and you can chain multiple of these machines together.
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It's cutting edge, right?
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But like it's really expensive.
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This technology now is that in a few years, it's like, you know, it's
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in my Mac mini.
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You know, like I would be my thinking.
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You just stuff gets better, and over time I will be able to do
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these kinds of things on hardware that does not cost $26,000 would be my
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yeah, would be w how I would look at it.
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Um I just wanna I just wanna put put it on the record that
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I was not a local AI believer until last year, and things have really
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turned around for me over the past six months.
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And I'm I think I sit somewhere in the middle of it.
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Like obviously, you cannot replace the cloud um AI providers with local AI.
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Like I some people try, right?
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I just don't think it's a nice experience for me.
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What I have discovered, and I've discovered it the hard way by spending a
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lot of money at first and then not spending that money anymore, that I
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really like using local AI for um like side tasks that always run locally,
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and the only cost that I have is my electricity.
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To give you a very practical example, my iOS and iPad OS 27 review
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is being obviously written by me manually, the old fashioned way, but the entire
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organization of it.
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So, like um, I have this databases for features for sources, uh, which are
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like articles or YouTube videos or PDFs from Apple, um, screenshots that I took,
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notes that I took, uh, bug reports that I wrote, all of these things
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are being automatically organized for me all day long behind the scenes by a
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local AI model running on my Mac Studio.
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I have this uh four agents that use um this project called OMLX.
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It's like uh an MLX app for the Mac.
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And uh I used to spend a lot of money on Notion AI to
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do all of this, and then the OpenAI API platform, and it was too
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much, and I realized you know what, I'm just gonna do it locally.
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And this is not gonna replace my main chatbot, but this is a thing
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that needs to be running all the time.
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So whenever I add a new screenshot or whenever I save a new feature,
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I just want these agents to be always on in the background and automatically
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process that note and say, is this note about the design chapter?
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Or what features does this article contain?
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And that runs locally all day long.
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Um, and I don't give any money anymore to any cloud provider.
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Because I guess there are some.
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I mean, obviously, it's taking work from you right now to like consider the
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tasks that you want to be completed.
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And then think about which one which of these could be achieved by a
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local model.
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Like what does not need to have the um like the what is it,
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the uh world knowledge kind of stuff, right?
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What are very mechanical tasks that can be automated?
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And the turning point for me, um uh Jason is mentioning the same thing
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in the Discord, uh, Deepseek V4 Flash.
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That was the turning point for me.
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It's a really good model that runs extremely well on a Mac Studio, and
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it runs uh even better uh because of MLX.
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So all this this the work that Apple has done to optimize local AI
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for for Apple Silicon is really is really paying off for me.
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What tool are you using to like interface with the model?
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So it's called OMLX, it's an open source project that basically like mounts the
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loads the model into memory.
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Okay, and it's always loaded, and then it has a little uh you can
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call it via the command line.
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And uh the uh obviously I don't want to be looking at at that.
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I don't want to be looking at a command line all day.
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So I built my own pretty interface for all of this, which I will
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talk about with the making of of the review.
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I called it um Alexandria, uh like the library of Alexandria.
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Oh, that's a good name.
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That's really good.
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So I built this.
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Also, that library burned down, so be careful.
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You're gonna need a fire extinguisher after all.
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Oh my god, Federation.
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So the idea, well, there's a reason for it.
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The idea is that every September I'm done with this.
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You burn it down.
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And then I rebuild it.
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Uh well, the library of Alexandria was never rebuilt.
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But you know, you get my point.
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I just wanted it to sound a little poetic, is all nice.
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But yeah, that's why I'm a believer in local AI now.
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Because I I don't think you know, you can take it to an extreme.
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You can be one of those people saying, I'm gonna replace my chatbots with
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You can totally do that.
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Um you can try.
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I tried, it's not nice for me, but for this kinds of repeatable mechanical
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tasks, I'm saving a lot of money.
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And uh and I just you know, it's one of those things where I
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like that it's local, like it makes me feel good that it's just local
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and I'm not you know just paying dollars and dollars of for these things
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that need to run all day.
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Um yeah, so that's why.
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And you know, I guess I hope that there's a scenario in the future
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where like the the AI companies work out scenarios where they can have a
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combination of of local and cloud, right?
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And so like how they have that routing stuff now.
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That you know, like I could be working with Claude or whatever, and it
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also it has a model on my Mac and then a model in the
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cloud, and then it it it chooses what it needs based on the request
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that I'm making.
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I feel like that kind of hybrid approach could be could be really good
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for like cost and the environment and like a bunch of things.
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And Apple's proving that it could work with the new Siri AI.
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Yes, yes, you know what?
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That's a great point.
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They uh uh and a couple of things I think happened here to make
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it possible.
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Um the first one is obviously the investment that Apple made into local AI
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and and making their Apple Silicon chips you know pretty great for running AI
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models locally.
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And the second is that it's just a uh a general trend of the
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Um routing systems have gotten so much better compared to a year ago when
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when OpenAI launched uh the routing system for GPT-5, sounds like a lifetime ago.
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It was only a year ago, and it was heavily criticized.
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Like people hated it.
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And I think these these companies have figured it out.
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And usually now when you select auto in this in these models, um they
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tend to know what to do.
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And even Siri AI, which if you ask me, doesn't have the best models,
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but the routing system works pretty well.
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And so I've put together a little quiz for you.
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How well we know Tim Cook.
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There are 10 questions.
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Mike is playing for himself.
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Federico, you were playing for me in the podcast a thon point total.
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Oh, hang on a minute.
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This is all right, fair enough.
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I mean, we all these all these quizzes are based on us all knowing
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that we're honest.
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So were you having trouble with that?
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I just wasn't expecting this.
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I mean, but I guess this is the point, isn't it?
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It is the point.
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I'm not supposed to expect them.
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Otherwise, they wouldn't be a surprise.
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As in previous games, you will text me your answer.
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And then I will read them.
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And then Jim will tighten all this up in the edit, hopefully.
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Thank you, Jim.
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We love you.
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I don't know why I said bye.
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Yeah, we still got hours to go in the show.
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So 10 questions.
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Some are personal, some are about Apple.
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Some are about life and love and happiness.
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Speaking of life and love and happiness, actually.
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I haven't read this article yet, but I saw that like uh did you
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The information reported that like Tim thanked his partner in a in a like
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a going thing?
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A Mike partner, yes.
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Uh yeah, I saw the That's awesome.
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It just makes me really happy.
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He's obviously so private, and it's just like, oh, I'm not sure.
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I'm happy that he's found love.
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Question number one.
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Where did Tim Cook work before Apple?
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Ah, yes, I know that.
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Should I answer?
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Uh you're gonna text me.
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Just for absolute fairness.
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What are you when I message?
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My phone number.
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Oh, I answered real quick, and I think I might be wrong.
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Well, I mean, yeah, you can I'll let you change it.
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I don't know if I should, though.
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I will let you change this one.
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I'm leaving am I wrong then?
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I don't know.
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I'm just leaving it.
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I'm gonna leave it, and then if I and if I'm wrong, I know
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what I've got.
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Mike is wrong.
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Mike said IBM.
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It's compact, right?
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Federico gets a point.
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I need to be a bit more calm on my answers there.
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He was not at Compaq very long before Steve Jobs came knocking.
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Wasn't he at IBM at some point?
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Tim Cook employment history.
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He spent 12 years at IBM and then six months at Compact.
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I will give you each a point.
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That's very kind.
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I mean, you were right.
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I I, you know.
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Well, I wasn't right, but I appreciate I'll take the point.
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Question number two.
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In the first quarter that Tim Cook was CEO.
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What product sold 6.62 million units.
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First quarter.
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First quarter he was CEO.
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They sold 6.62 million of what?
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I hate this question so much.
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There are so many things I need to try and work out.
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How specific do you want this to be?
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Product I will take product category.
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First quarter.
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Final answers.
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Mike said the iPad.
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Federico said the iPhone.
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I said iPhone 4S.
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He said the iPhone 4S.
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It was the iPod.
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And it was 27% down year over year.
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I mean, I I understand how time works, but like I I can't believe
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that Tim was ever in charge of the iPod.
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I was looking for a different number for this question, and then I saw
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iPod and the quarterly report.
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I was like, oh, this is the question.
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Because for me, it's like there was my thinking was that's not enough for
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So I went to iPad as like, well, what else could it be that
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still sells?
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iPod man still kicking it on and I was wrong.
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Isn't that wild?
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I can't believe that.
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Question number three.
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What was the first new product category introduced under Tim Cook?
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This feels like a trick question.
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First new product category introduced under Tim Cook.
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I'm giving, I think what is the obvious answer.
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Yeah, me too.
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But I think this is a trick question.
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Wait, no, I said I said something about it.
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No, I didn't mean that.
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We'll come to your typo in a second.
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I need more medication.
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I should score you based on that.
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Um, that was time is going.
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I'm going with the I'm going with the obvious one.
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You both get a point.
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You both said Apple Watch.
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At first, however, Mike said Apple Weather.
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Apple Weather.
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That's not what I meant, though.
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Brand new product.
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There's a bunch of the same letters in there, you know?
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You really are.
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Like if you look, if you just squint, it basically says Apple Watch.
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Apple Watcher.
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The next question, there are four available points on the board.
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What I'm looking for are the two colleges Tim Cook attended and his two
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One correct answer is one point.
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I'm just making them up, alright?
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That's fine with me.
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I have uh two degrees?
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It's like the subjects?
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Like I have a degree in journalism.
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So you want to know you want to know the names of the colleges?
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Two degrees.
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The two degrees.
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Two degrees.
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Like you got a bachelor in something and then a master in something.
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I don't even know the names of the degrees.
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It's like I know one of the degrees I know he didn't get, but
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I've said it anyway.
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And the other one I don't even think could exist.
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But I have no idea what to say.
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So I'll I will start with I'm just using words I heard on the
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internet, okay?
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Yeah, no, so that's fine.
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That's fine.
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Some of these are easier than others.
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I'm just can I invent a degree?
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Yeah, Mike, you need to lock in your answer.
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Mike is sending me words with question marks after them, which is not how
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this game works.
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Mike early on sent a message.
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I'm done now, I think.
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I I have no idea.
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Yeah, well, you got a degree.
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A degree in in in what?
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Um I'm just gonna make it up, okay.
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Steven, enjoy my answer.
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So I need to think through this.
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Uh I'm gonna start with Mike.
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Mike said he went to Auburn, which is true.
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He got his undergraduate degree at Auburn.
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But that's where the same.
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And you said the same, so you each get two points for schools.
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I said Auburn something.
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It's Auburn University.
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I'll take it.
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Um, and then Mike, you said business, comma logistics.
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The two degrees, yeah.
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I will give you one point because he got a master in business administration.
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There you go.
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Oh, that's what I tied.
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Federico also gets that point.
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So you each got three points.
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So we now are tied at five each.
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I originally wrote computer science.
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So I'm like, I know he didn't get that, but there's like, well, he
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works in computers, and I was like, oh, no way.
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He's a business guy.
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I think rather interestingly, because this kind of goes against what people say was
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bad about his leadership.
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His undergrad from Auburn is an industrial engineering.
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So it's not the invented degree that I sent you, macroeconomics.
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I mean, that probably is.
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I mean, there is an economic.
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Probably is a degree.
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But is he micro?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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It's probably part of one.
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Y'all did much better on that than I thought you would.
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Did we just is that the end of the quiz?
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That was question four of ten.
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Question number five a simple true or false.
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A little palette cleanser after the last one.
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True or false.
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Tim Cooked helped introduce the original Xserve.
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Helped introduce?
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And I will say, I'm not playing any funny word games with y'all.
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Like these are just straight questions.
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Mike has an answer.
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Federico has an answer.
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Federico says false.
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Mike says true.
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The answer is true.
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Wasn't he sitting on a stage with Cook and someone else?
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There's a QA at the end.
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There's a QA at the end or like a talking segment.
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But he also got on stage to talk about like the service aspect of
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the X Serve and how people wanted parts and that sort of thing.
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It's a it's a weird keynote.
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Super strange.
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Question number six.
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What did Tim Kirk Kirk?
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You said his name differently, I think every single time.
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What did Tim Cook refer to as a quote, toxic hell stew?
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What was that?
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That indeed.
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Toxic Health 2.
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We recently touched on this in our He Cooked game that Federico had with
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all the Tim Cook quotes.
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Signed you my answer.
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Toxic Hells too.
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Would you like a year?
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Would that be helpful?
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Um I mean, I don't know, but I would like one.
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Uh Federica, I'm not counting yours as locked in because I'm giving you a
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So um not saying you're right or wrong.
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I'm just saying the clue is this was in 2014.
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I don't think it's that big of a clue, but toxic hells too.
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Y'all gave me basically the same answer.
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It's incorrect.
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Uh Mike said Facebook.
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Ted social media.
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He said it about Android fragmentation.
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It's a toxic hell stew.
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You know, we don't talk about that anymore, do we, Andrew Frank?
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No, we don't.
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No, because it's not a good one.
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Because it's just Samsung now.
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Number seven.
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What is Tim Cook's middle name?
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Okay, I'm gonna assume my answer's not right.
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Because you laughed.
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Uh Mike said, are you guys locked in?
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No, no, hold on.
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Well, do you want the abbreviation or do you think that's what I'm saying?
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You know what?
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I will take the I will uh here's this.
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Abbreviation is one point, full name is two points.
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But if I get the full name wrong, I still get the abbreviation point.
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If that is the situation you find yourself in, then yes.
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I don't know what to do with what's being said.
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Can I give you one for the laughs?
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Uh obviously, yes.
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Is he gonna say Apple?
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Steven, make sure to pronounce it with the French accent.
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Oh, you're asking the wrong person to do that.
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I don't know what is happening over there.
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Are you locked in, Mike?
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Ah, I have nothing, so yeah.
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Okay, Mike said Steven, which is not true.
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I just thought it would be funny if his middle name was Steve.
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It would be.
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I thought you were trying to score points with me.
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Well, it would just be good, like it would be good quiz fodder, wouldn't
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If he's a good one.
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What's his name stake?
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Is it isn't his name Timothy?
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Federico said J.
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Tim Jean Cook.
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It's not Jean, is it?
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Why is this funny?
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Why is Tim John Cook?
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I don't know.
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I just wanted to give it like a like a European flair.
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The guy from Alabama.
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Tim Jean Cook.
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It's Timothy Donald Cook.
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This was a waveform like two weeks ago.
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After his father.
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I I honestly didn't know.
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I wouldn't have not included it.
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He did this in waveform trivia, like a couple of weeks ago.
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His father, Donald Cook, was a shipyard worker.
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So um, yeah, so he has his dad's first name as his middle name.
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That's true for one of my kids, too.
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What is their middle name?
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You don't deserve that.
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Number uh eight.
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This is another um this isn't uh this is another two-point question.
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This is a uh an answer and a year.
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What other company's board does Tim Cook serve on?
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And for a bonus point, what year did he join?
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Looking for a company name and a year.
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Final answers?
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You both get a point.
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You both said Nike, which is correct.
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Tichy, you said 18.
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Mike, you said 12, 2012, is actually unbelievably 2005.
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Yeah, I was surprised.
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I think it would be early.
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But I didn't go early.
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He's been on their board 20 years.
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Assuming he's still on it.
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I think he still is.
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He wears Nike too much to not be on it.
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I mean, that was also like in the you guys remember the little like
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Nike pucks you could put in your shoe and it would sync with your
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Nike Run Plus.
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Probably the first use of plus an Apple product name.
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No, that's not true at all.
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The Apple II Plus was just right there.
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Mike has seven.
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Federico has six.
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I assume it needs to be multiplied by ten or something for the St.
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Because just seven on six points is not really good.
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But like a I was thinking about like 130 or something.
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Just like really blow the points up early.
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I don't know.
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Really break Ricky's webpage.
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Like what is the multiplication?
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We'll figure out a multiplier.
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I think Jill's still listening.
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Jill can tell us the multiplier.
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Okay, number nine.
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This is another quote.
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Also from 2014, actually.
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Spicy year for Tim Cook.
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What topic prompted this quote where Tim Cook told shareholders, quote, to get out
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of the stock.
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What was the topic that spurred that comment?
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Feder uh Federico, you said accessibility.
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Mike said pulling back on environmental efforts.
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Mike is correct.
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Oh, who's right?
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Mike is correct.
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Oh, I spoke over you and I thought Federico was right.
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So that's cool.
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Cool for me.
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He's the environment.
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It's a good quote.
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I think he has said something about accessibility too.
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I think this.
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I think that was maybe the bloody ROI.
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Maybe that was this.
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I don't know.
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That is, yep.
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But get out of the stock is just like also like a sick business
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Um, next time next time some somebody disappoints me or is like upset with
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something I've done, I'm gonna say tell them to get out of the stock.
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That's actually really good.
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You know, like it get out of the stock.
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This has three possible points.
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For one point each, tell me the years.
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I don't I don't care about months.
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Tell me the years that these things happened.
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Apple hit one trillion dollars in market cap.
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Apple hit two trillion dollars in market cap.
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Apple hit three trillion dollars in market cap.
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What year did those things happen?
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I just typed sequence of numbers without any real information.
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It's just like here's just some numbers for you.
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They hit one trillion dollars in 2018.
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So neither of you get that point right.
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Oh, it was one year off.
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They hit two trillion in 2020.
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So Mike gets that one correct.
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And they hit $3 trillion in 2022.
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Man, they were really just pumping those trillions.
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Yeah, so Mike gets one point there.
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And I got zero.
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So that brings us to Mike with nine points, Federico slash me with seven.
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Congratulations, Steven.
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Thank you, Federico.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you, Steven.
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Glad you enjoyed that.
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I did enjoy that, actually.
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That's good.
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That's good.
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I think that brings us to the end of the show.
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Goodbye, Tim.
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And the end of the end of the Tim Cook area.
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Focused so hard on getting his name right.
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Just blew out the rest.
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Timothy Donald Cook to his friends.
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That's right.
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Rest in peace.
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If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about, and most importantly,
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the link to our St.
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You're going to go to relay.fm slash connected slash 618.
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Those links are also in your podcast player.
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You can leave us feedback or follow up.
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The link is in the show notes.
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And you can join and get connected pro, which is the longer and ad-free
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You can find Federico's writing at maxstories.net, where he's the editor in chief.
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You can find Mike on a bunch of other shows here at Relay and
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his work at Cortex Brand and his blogging at theenthusiast.net.
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And you can find my writing at 512Pixels.net.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, Century 11 Labs and Bolt.new.
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And until next time, say goodbye.
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I do that cheap.