The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► 10 hazard you john has changed a bunch of stuff and EPA and change and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/0">TS</a>]

00:00:05 ◼   ► like this create and sell stolen ship they'd start price so if you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/5">TS</a>]

00:00:11 ◼   ► drinking things other than water lately have you like gotten some soda to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14 ◼   ► over the ANC's nope a diet pepsi or something what was your biggest Diet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/14">TS</a>]

00:00:21 ◼   ► Sprite as my restaurant drink when I go out and what time ever have spread is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/21">TS</a>]

00:00:26 ◼   ► gonna go to restaurants what i get if i get anything some time to study water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/26">TS</a>]

00:00:30 ◼   ► spray is my go-to I learned the difference between living in Richmond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/30">TS</a>]

00:00:38 ◼   ► Virginia man living in a mint major metropolitan areas like Boston or New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/38">TS</a>]

00:00:43 ◼   ► York because I went to the Apple store to do the easy stealing EZPay thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/43">TS</a>]

00:00:49 ◼   ► I need to pick up of lightning cable from my parents are visiting and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/49">TS</a>]

00:00:52 ◼   ► they had only one lightning cable with mom and it was brought busted because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/52">TS</a>]

00:00:57 ◼   ► was a third party one block someone to do the ECC EZPay thing and i ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/57">TS</a>]

00:01:02 ◼   ► just by pure happenstance seeing a friend of mine in there so i cant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05 ◼   ► talking to the guy and then one of the Apple employees in a blue shirt a double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/65">TS</a>]

00:01:10 ◼   ► take chances are UKC yes yes but not the correct answer that question was of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/70">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► course health Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► the one opportunity to say that to myself I think about it so it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/84">TS</a>]

00:01:35 ◼   ► better though because I lose track of this individual caught my friend for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/95">TS</a>]

00:01:40 ◼   ► little bit and then I don't know this for sure but all the sudden to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/100">TS</a>]

00:01:46 ◼   ► blue shirts come swooping in from the middle of nowhere but they're people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/106">TS</a>]

00:01:50 ◼   ► inside of them but yeah it was weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52 ◼   ► so there were there were people inside a blue shirt so anyway so these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/112">TS</a>]

00:01:58 ◼   ► it almost seemed like the first individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/118">TS</a>]

00:02:01 ◼   ► went into the back room to say oh my god guess who's here and then the other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/121">TS</a>]

00:02:06 ◼   ► came sweeping out and it was the most flattering and ridiculous and overseeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/126">TS</a>]

00:02:10 ◼   ► and so it's good it's good to live in small town and and so John when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/130">TS</a>]

00:02:15 ◼   ► in with your busted or is your wife's busted Cinema Display or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/135">TS</a>]

00:02:19 ◼   ► Thunderbolt Display number jealous of and you don't get special treatment why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/139">TS</a>]

00:02:23 ◼   ► did get special treatment to drive back to my house and get my idea that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/143">TS</a>]

00:02:27 ◼   ► forgot like that's it that's all the one I didn't and it wasn't like it's not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/147">TS</a>]

00:02:32 ◼   ► be flattered my ego it's like practical purposes like most the time I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/152">TS</a>]

00:02:37 ◼   ► want to be recognized I don't like this one time just this one time and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/157">TS</a>]

00:02:42 ◼   ► that is depressing that I have literally never been recognized an Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/162">TS</a>]

00:02:46 ◼   ► that's ok don't you know who I am I'm a professional complained like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/166">TS</a>]

00:02:52 ◼   ► don't wanna get back in the car was like you drive out to make a trip you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/172">TS</a>]

00:02:55 ◼   ► bring the whole thing could drive out there don't get back to my car and drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► past my fault I guess I am the one who forgot my idea claiming the staff of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/178">TS</a>]

00:03:02 ◼   ► store for it at all but like boy i just i just wanted to this one time to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/182">TS</a>]

00:03:06 ◼   ► me a car and it did not work so now I will never ever forget my idea again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/186">TS</a>]

00:03:11 ◼   ► still have to bring things back almost brought the display back again because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14 ◼   ► thought my warranty that I had extended was about to run out pretend that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17 ◼   ► another year so I continued to let it sit here with a broken camera because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/197">TS</a>]

00:03:22 ◼   ► better get into Paris and get it back in time for a month average review but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/202">TS</a>]

00:03:26 ◼   ► when I learned that extra year is gonna wait until the review is done to send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/206">TS</a>]

00:03:30 ◼   ► in again so in summary Andrew and Scott I believe with their names thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/210">TS</a>]

00:03:36 ◼   ► being nice to see if this actually end up in the show which doesn't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/216">TS</a>]

00:03:40 ◼   ► probably will be made fun enough alright so anything happen this week we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/220">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► credible we do ya is in a document of around looking at yesterday's do we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/226">TS</a>]

00:03:53 ◼   ► to skip it since we have a busy night and we want to do it well we aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/233">TS</a>]

00:03:56 ◼   ► allowed to do it at the end that that is true we establish that because some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59 ◼   ► moron asked if you could do follow-up at the end and clearly that's just now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/239">TS</a>]

00:04:03 ◼   ► this topic is this far enough into the show that we can't do it anymore he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/243">TS</a>]

00:04:07 ◼   ► crossed the follow up to this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/247">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► the arbiter alright so actually this is mostly year course John is not in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/251">TS</a>]

00:04:20 ◼   ► sense that you have the most followed by this snappy camp stuff that Marco should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► talk about but since he's totally unprepared for this thing he can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26 ◼   ► about it so well yes the developer snappy can email doesn't give us a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/266">TS</a>]

00:04:31 ◼   ► of great information I don't know how much of it is relevant to read on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/271">TS</a>]

00:04:36 ◼   ► podcast but it was basically we are are statements about it being awesomely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/276">TS</a>]

00:04:44 ◼   ► engineered salmon they were pretty accurate he built quite a system there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/284">TS</a>]

00:04:48 ◼   ► and he believes that he has not been sure locked and that there is a bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/288">TS</a>]

00:04:55 ◼   ► future ahead and I was wrong actually when I said I thought a hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► twenty FPS was on one of the slides turns out 60 fps is on one of the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/298">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► that was referring to the capabilities of the iPhone 5 hardware so I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/303">TS</a>]

00:05:08 ◼   ► correction alone now I believe the NDA's officially up as of today right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/308">TS</a>]

00:05:14 ◼   ► believe it's raining now which is why we have a busy show now we can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17 ◼   ► all the stuff that we had been holding back from by the NDA which actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/317">TS</a>]

00:05:21 ◼   ► isn't that much stuff but I'm sure that we will make it big and we've had entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/321">TS</a>]

00:05:26 ◼   ► shows we've said all you will have two things to talk about and then ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/326">TS</a>]

00:05:29 ◼   ► minutes later we're just finishing the second thing wasn't like the last 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33 ◼   ► percent while not the very last episode neutral but like the three prior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36 ◼   ► every alright so johnnie want to talk about this analogy for a couple minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/336">TS</a>]

00:05:44 ◼   ► yeah we talked a lot about psychology couple years ago but one topic we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/344">TS</a>]

00:05:47 ◼   ► get to it although a couple people asked about my favorite hobby horse data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/347">TS</a>]

00:05:51 ◼   ► integrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53 ◼   ► and people are asking so now you've got all this storage aren't you worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/353">TS</a>]

00:05:56 ◼   ► about data integrity in bed ridden all those things to me answer is yes I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/356">TS</a>]

00:06:01 ◼   ► still worried about that because Synology does not currently support CFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/361">TS</a>]

00:06:08 ◼   ► unless you use it as a nice cozy aggressive use and iSCSI device then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/368">TS</a>]

00:06:13 ◼   ► it's just like it's directly attached storage as far as your computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15 ◼   ► concerned that your computer supports CFS any good format it however you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/375">TS</a>]

00:06:20 ◼   ► of course you know using a Mac with a problem for me because I was 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/380">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► solutions for his GFS are not great not particularly stable open DFS project but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/384">TS</a>]

00:06:31 ◼   ► it's really sort of a conglomeration of its existing products but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/391">TS</a>]

00:06:36 ◼   ► upshot is that analogy runs txt for you probably change it to something else you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/396">TS</a>]

00:06:42 ◼   ► wanna get a view that as i skazhi you can format it for everyone and 64 to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/402">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► knowledge does not have any features like CFS that do checks on all data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52 ◼   ► metadata let alone things like getting blocks and all that stuff so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/412">TS</a>]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the one that was written by the murderer was no that's not specify which also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/420">TS</a>]

00:07:06 ◼   ► doesn't have a date and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08 ◼   ► integrity features as far as a nice guy has no integrity yeah a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/428">TS</a>]

00:07:14 ◼   ► filesystems will do metadata check something but very few of them do please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/434">TS</a>]

00:07:20 ◼   ► check something data and metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22 ◼   ► Anna to CFS big thing is that it's not just checks on the subject and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/442">TS</a>]

00:07:26 ◼   ► integrity checking everything you say makes a healthy round-trip always three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/446">TS</a>]

00:07:32 ◼   ► untied storage systems for your drivers through the network through all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35 ◼   ► firmware on the disk caching from the rain some whatever whenever things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/455">TS</a>]

00:07:39 ◼   ► in the way the office make sure you Davis is making round trip itself so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/459">TS</a>]

00:07:46 ◼   ► know obviously I would prefer if it had CFS on it but I but not so much that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/466">TS</a>]

00:07:51 ◼   ► going to do the godess kozyrev discussed in previous shows that I wanna extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/471">TS</a>]

00:07:55 ◼   ► I don't pay for extension I'd rather use it as network attached storage causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/475">TS</a>]

00:08:00 ◼   ► more flexibility in the performance has been great in everything but and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03 ◼   ► like even if I did that then I will be forced to try to deal with whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/483">TS</a>]

00:08:07 ◼   ► F S 40 S 10 software is out there and do with all its bugs and everything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/487">TS</a>]

00:08:11 ◼   ► that so I'm not ready for that the one thing he has going for it over me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/491">TS</a>]

00:08:17 ◼   ► having a bunch of external disks is that I have slightly more faith than txt for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/497">TS</a>]

00:08:21 ◼   ► will not corrupt itself in the way that each of us plus routinely does in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/501">TS</a>]

00:08:25 ◼   ► of losing track of which blocks were allocated how many files and directories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/505">TS</a>]

00:08:29 ◼   ► and all that stuff during the course of normal operation of course I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/509">TS</a>]

00:08:33 ◼   ► enough experience with ext4 to say this for a fact because I've UCSD to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/513">TS</a>]

00:08:37 ◼   ► extensively have used 63033 probably was but first you 64 but I feel confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/517">TS</a>]

00:08:45 ◼   ► based on my experience to my vast experience dangerous plus that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/525">TS</a>]

00:08:50 ◼   ► very least this is not a bit rubbish but at the very least the file system should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/530">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► not corrupt itself to the point where I lose data for that reason all the bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/534">TS</a>]

00:08:59 ◼   ► that are on there still could be randomly floating cells made it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02 ◼   ► corrupting itself and duplicating that corruption and all my other discs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05 ◼   ► duplicating that corruption into the cloud that is also entirely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/545">TS</a>]

00:09:08 ◼   ► you know I'm not reach the FSE face Nirvana but I'm waiting patiently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/548">TS</a>]

00:09:14 ◼   ► found the future recovery Christmas analogy in their web forums said I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/554">TS</a>]

00:09:18 ◼   ► like some features that you data integrity check now with love it if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/558">TS</a>]

00:09:22 ◼   ► could support the efforts made it clear to all that stuff from will save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25 ◼   ► anything ever comes to that and on the topic of waiting for CFS I also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/565">TS</a>]

00:09:29 ◼   ► point out that I was listening to the debug podcast with a rich it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/569">TS</a>]

00:09:33 ◼   ► good show you should be listening to it and number twenty they had they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/573">TS</a>]

00:09:37 ◼   ► interviewing Ryan Nelsen he was formerly a I believe produkter project manager I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/577">TS</a>]

00:09:43 ◼   ► don't know the difference and I'm I know there's a big difference in that and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/583">TS</a>]

00:09:46 ◼   ► was formerly on the OS 10 team and he's very briefly talked about John Siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/586">TS</a>]

00:09:52 ◼   ► and file systems and CFS and you know acceptable can't really say a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/592">TS</a>]

00:09:57 ◼   ► but it sounded like the implication was that it's never gonna happen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/597">TS</a>]

00:10:04 ◼   ► support on Mac OS 10 will never be worth the incredible effort required to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/604">TS</a>]

00:10:10 ◼   ► do it properly take he was clearly on the bad side and side up his tank was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/610">TS</a>]

00:10:17 ◼   ► asked about file systems like what's the holdup or whatever he was like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/617">TS</a>]

00:10:20 ◼   ► know it works OK and changing it is it would be a difficult transition and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/620">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► advantages of changing that don't currently end like this that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/627">TS</a>]

00:10:31 ◼   ► the resources that would take the changes the number of Engineers you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34 ◼   ► on the amount of time you have to deal with customers in the transition phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/634">TS</a>]

00:10:37 ◼   ► that's a big cost on one side and the con call on the pro side of the colonies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/637">TS</a>]

00:10:41 ◼   ► like all those pros are outweighed by the Commons and he he saw that is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/641">TS</a>]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the case I don't know in perpetuity but certainly now and you know so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/646">TS</a>]

00:10:52 ◼   ► I can understand that perspective but it's a little bit crazy to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/652">TS</a>]

00:10:56 ◼   ► position sort of an absolutist I position because so many things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/656">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► Apple has done and will do in the future are completely counter to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/661">TS</a>]

00:11:07 ◼   ► philosophy like if you could take all the arguments he had against why Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/667">TS</a>]

00:11:10 ◼   ► has not and should not currently switching to file system and apply them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/670">TS</a>]

00:11:14 ◼   ► 20 I don't know why should we make an entirely new operating system that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/674">TS</a>]

00:11:18 ◼   ► barely backward compatible with the previous one like his entire job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21 ◼   ► in the existence of his entire project is based on an effort with a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/681">TS</a>]

00:11:26 ◼   ► number of cons and pros that are many years off in the future and potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/686">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► only theoretical and may not ever come to pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32 ◼   ► like Pakistan itself is the best example that is just a huge undertaking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/692">TS</a>]

00:11:37 ◼   ► huge risks and talk about a transition like a potentially company destroying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/697">TS</a>]

00:11:42 ◼   ► transitional period but it had to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44 ◼   ► you know you can't just keep going with the old in forever and that is entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/704">TS</a>]

00:11:47 ◼   ► true major plus you know different though in that the the OS 10 transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/707">TS</a>]

00:11:53 ◼   ► had to happen because they were in severe pain without you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/713">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► they're all OS was really really outdated to a point where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/717">TS</a>]

00:12:01 ◼   ► losing a lot because they were losing sales they were losing people they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04 ◼   ► losing developers it would they were in terrible shape of the pain levels hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/724">TS</a>]

00:12:09 ◼   ► there in this case it seems like the pain level really isn't substantial and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/729">TS</a>]

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00:22:54 ◼   ► it's it's a pain in the butt to do all that for you just hold onto that code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57 ◼   ► for the next five so to keep things moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:02 ◼   ► John at the end of the last episode after the episode you got a little upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:06 ◼   ► about something you want to explore that little bit more couple that only episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:11 ◼   ► I put just a reference he was appointed was 64 bit long pointer so that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:18 ◼   ► you can discuss the storage capacity issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:22 ◼   ► yeah how do you feel about the storage capacities in the new iPhone I feel bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:25 ◼   ► about it everyone should feel bad about it because it's a bad situation no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:28 ◼   ► storage shift I'm talking about here is like apple offers three sizes terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:34 ◼   ► flash storage iOS devices and one has 16 the middle one is 32 in the big 12 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:40 ◼   ► and typical Apple fashion had to find some way to put most of their margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► they put a lot of it into the storage capacity to $6,400 more than 32 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:50 ◼   ► 32 cost $100 116 and for anyone who knows anything about pricing of flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:55 ◼   ► memory those numbers do not reflect the cost of goods in any rational way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:59 ◼   ► know extra 16 gigabytes of flash does not cost $100 in any year so that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► whatever that's how they segment their stuff but for years and years I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10 ◼   ► buying the middle model 32 gigabytes and I think the very first one ever bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:16 ◼   ► was 32 maybe that was the high end at that point and that's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:20 ◼   ► barely enough to hold all my stuff but as the years pass I would expect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:26 ◼   ► they would shift just as they did once before but they used to be in a gigabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29 ◼   ► model I think of one of the phones used to be a for ya I remember how small they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:34 ◼   ► want the original iPhone cuz I wasn't buying reviews for any yeah they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:38 ◼   ► shift line so then the 16 goes away the 32 becomes the smallest 164 is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:43 ◼   ► middle one and then 128 is the highest or whatever size you want doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:46 ◼   ► to be doubling whatever could be 1632 3250 I don't make a big numbers you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► just want to see the storage shifted on the Mac on the same thing used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:58 ◼   ► that Max came with you know what whatever minimum amount of RAM it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► going to be a one megabyte two megabytes 1 gigabyte to you by story about sand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:08 ◼   ► the Maximus terrible for years because they would give you so little Rams 1-10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:12 ◼   ► the temple Buddha system with two gigs RAM and coincidentally that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:17 ◼   ► minimum configuration of whatever Mac your mind about an hour just beg people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20 ◼   ► they're buying back do not buy with it the fault about a brand because Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:24 ◼   ► 10 with with the minimum support amount of RAM was terrible thresher disc all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the time especially early versions and the discovery really slow it's like buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:32 ◼   ► more RAM and don't buy from Apple because they get you on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:35 ◼   ► but so here we are I don't know what I mean look at something like PDA but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:39 ◼   ► year are we end of the 16 32 64 seems like we're like the third year in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:43 ◼   ► is it the fourth year in a row whatever it is it's way too long and I was hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that this would be the year with a reduced or shifting movers down line but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:52 ◼   ► they didn't 64 still on top of the line 32 is still the middle and so once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:57 ◼   ► my life is probably going to get a new iPhone will talk about that later in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:01 ◼   ► show maybe she's gonna end up getting a 32 bit 64 is obscenely expensive than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:06 ◼   ► $100 over the x200 already paying over the sixteen 16 is too small so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:10 ◼   ► gonna be 32 again and this is another thing that Apple should really move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:15 ◼   ► without me at the very least my phone sex is will this is now my number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:19 ◼   ► feature for the iPhone sex next year they better do a storage to get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:22 ◼   ► can't just keep selling 16 32 and 64 forever kinda like HMS + at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:26 ◼   ► point it becomes embarrassing like you have you have to change you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► they won't be able to get 16 / 16 gigabytes of flash anymore because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:34 ◼   ► normal cell flashlight small in a few years ago the cereal boxes will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:38 ◼   ► with 16 gigabytes but I can tell you that my 4 S's 64 gig and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:45 ◼   ► the four had that as an option but I'm not a hundred percent sure I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:49 ◼   ► it's correct so it's at least ban was that for us five and five assets three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:54 ◼   ► years now I mean that you're right it's a long time like I think one years too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:59 ◼   ► long because from year to year prices go down so one year is probably too I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:03 ◼   ► like ok define your Apple you want to bring every last penny can out of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:07 ◼   ► things so maybe hold on for two years but three years now that's that's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► too long now I say no they have to shift and they also they did add a 128 gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► iPad I believe last year it was like it was not with the iPad launch it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:18 ◼   ► a few months later right yeah like shifted though that was just like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:23 ◼   ► right I added right for like another hundred bucks I think other every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:27 ◼   ► storage more than $100 if they had one gigabyte or be like well we have a 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:31 ◼   ► gigabyte model and then a $6,500 how little they added to his $100 so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► we have to change the storage tall 200 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42 ◼   ► and especially now that the cameras are just getting better and shooting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► hundred and twenty frame per second 720p video and immersed known as crazy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:51 ◼   ► seriously like you're giving us new ways and your iTunes Match and the clouds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:56 ◼   ► I hope this new ways to get tremendous amounts of data retina graphics and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1676">TS</a>]

00:28:01 ◼   ► our games everything onto our iPods and yet the story doesn't changes just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:05 ◼   ► pressing up against the limits of their iOS device storage as we talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:09 ◼   ► shows dealing with storage and iOS and backups and photos criminalist stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:14 ◼   ► already a pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15 ◼   ► applying more pressure to the problem by keeping the storage breslow especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:21 ◼   ► when like the people who are price-conscious they're getting sixteens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24 ◼   ► and they're not knowing like maybe sixteen will be fine with them but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:28 ◼   ► they have any pension for video 16 will not be fine and they'll be sad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31 ◼   ► that's a bad experience for customers in like well you got the 16 because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:35 ◼   ► the cheapest but now you're having a well as experience you know what i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39 ◼   ► i think i team's matches actually designed to help with this because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42 ◼   ► principal goes you can stream or download on the fly what everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45 ◼   ► listened to but in general you're completely right hand aaron has a 16 gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:50 ◼   ► for us and we haven't talked much about what we're gonna do come Friday and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:55 ◼   ► think all three of us should talk about this but I suspect I'm gonna get her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:59 ◼   ► thirty-two just to future-proof and even though strictly speaking I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:04 ◼   ► need to 64 I might do it just because I don't want to regret it later so with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:09 ◼   ► that in mind let's talk about what we're getting and how we're getting it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:13 ◼   ► obviously just told you I think Erin's 832 haven't completely concluded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:18 ◼   ► obviously she is she hasn't put on this but generally speaking when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:22 ◼   ► things like that she just says whatever you think is best and I'm gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:26 ◼   ► probably getting 60 for both spacecraft both 5 S's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:30 ◼   ► my plan currently in we'll see what I end up doing is to wake up at three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:36 ◼   ► eastern and that's when they go on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39 ◼   ► attempt to buy the two phones from Apple Online cry as I usually do when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:45 ◼   ► doesn't work as he usually doesn't and then potentially go back to that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48 ◼   ► Store three in the morning and get in line now I'm curious to hear what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:53 ◼   ► two you were doing especially you john since he said that that might be getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:57 ◼   ► a new one but let's start with Marco well so I am gonna try to get one night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► my flaws though in my usual plan of usually if it's a pre-order yeah wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:09 ◼   ► at that at three in the morning and try it but I'm not as willing to do that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:14 ◼   ► not as willing to get up and wait on line in front of store for every usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:18 ◼   ► just go and get on the line like 20 minutes before the store opens not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:24 ◼   ► six hours ahead of time just get where the line is get online payment for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:28 ◼   ► store opens and I've always got to get one it's never been a problem I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► not gotten what I wanted to hold on now is that at the Fifth Avenue stores that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:36 ◼   ► have various different stores it was it was mostly the Fifth Avenue the last the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► last one I did here in Westchester at the mall so the Fifth Avenue store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:48 ◼   ► before and even I got the original iPad at the one of the manhattan stores the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:54 ◼   ► one that's like around the 14th Street would it wherever that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:59 ◼   ► you know I've never had my fear is always been and I believe it's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:04 ◼   ► truth it now you know we've heard a lot that the 5s might be supply constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:09 ◼   ► because some of these really advanced components it has that that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12 ◼   ► probably be true but that's true of almost every new iPhone comes out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:16 ◼   ► think the five see is the exception this year the five see is helping to dampen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:21 ◼   ► some of the demand for the 50 S and and that's that's easy to make as they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► all these components from the fight at making for a year but normally your best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:33 ◼   ► bet you everybody every single iPhone and iPad releases especially iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:37 ◼   ► everybody is always like oh I know this one little Verizon store that no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► knows about I'm gonna go there they have at this plan they gonna go to like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:46 ◼   ► little obscure carrier's store that they know about or like a Best Buy where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:49 ◼   ► know somebody who works there something like that you know something that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► an Apple store and the problem is yet nobody knows about those nobody goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:57 ◼   ► there but Apple doesn't usually send any stock or the get like one or two units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:01 ◼   ► you know so I think you're gonna get one they're pretty low as if you go to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04 ◼   ► of Apple's flagship stores the chances you're getting a pretty good that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:09 ◼   ► we always go to 5th Avenue store exciting if anyone gonna have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:13 ◼   ► stock at the Fifth Avenue store yet more than that what if you go to this random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:17 ◼   ► AT&T and Verizon Verizon store and they get 164 gold and 1 16 gig white and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:26 ◼   ► really wanted spacecraft now what exactly not so smart and more are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:30 ◼   ► guy exact so yeah I i completely here in the problem that I'm running into with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:34 ◼   ► us is that you may not know the geography Virginia but suffice to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:40 ◼   ► most of the population is in the greater dc-area which is way northern virginia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:45 ◼   ► which part is the South I wouldn't we're getting into anyone would say not all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:52 ◼   ► it spent some time in Dec but anyway the point ants there's virginia beach which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► is way on the coast there's Dec there's Richmond and then there's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:05 ◼   ► civilization outside of that and even charlottesville which is a reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:09 ◼   ► large city and our west of us they don't have an Apple store yet so for like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:14 ◼   ► thirds of the state of Virginia it is it you could pose a legitimate argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:18 ◼   ► that my Apple Store is the nearest Apple Store so I'm really worried that if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:24 ◼   ► don't get online at like three in the morning there is zero chance that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:27 ◼   ► gonna get one we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29 ◼   ► number of people that that had that get on the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:33 ◼   ► relatives who like to know that the time until the opening the store accelerate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:38 ◼   ► lot as it as a temperature so you can you know it's similar to the WC keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:43 ◼   ► lines where you can you can get online midnight the night before but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► also use go at seven the morning and be not that far back like it's not that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:52 ◼   ► that different from if you went to midnight the night before so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:56 ◼   ► I've always gone you like half hour to an hour before they open in fact the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2036">TS</a>]

00:34:00 ◼   ► iPad 1 launched ivan what I was late and I got there like 15 minutes after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:04 ◼   ► open the doors and I still got one and Apple stocks are stores a lot especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:09 ◼   ► if you if you're a major city I don't think you have any problems I'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that Apple has Apple stores I don't have any major problems there was one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:19 ◼   ► when the iPad 3 came out I was forced to either not get one or get a 64 gig when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:28 ◼   ► I was looking for a 32 so I chose to just you know I'm already here but I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:33 ◼   ► get 64 so that you know that does happen we're especially with the iPad have so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:37 ◼   ► many models I guess now I plan to do the same way there so many models so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:43 ◼   ► know you have to be prepared that if you want like the 16 gig black one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:48 ◼   ► you might have some problems if you get to get there late but the reason why go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:53 ◼   ► through all this on day one is because historically with with these things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:58 ◼   ► iPhones and iPad releases generally speaking Apple AAPL has been producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:02 ◼   ► these for awhile in a date they produce as much as they can 444 launch weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:06 ◼   ► that way they can not only get a bunch of people's hands and get a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:09 ◼   ► buzz when they can announce his big numbers saying on lunch we can we sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:13 ◼   ► the right so meanwhile though after lunch we can that whole stock is then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:20 ◼   ► blown out and they got it like then trickled in men as they're made after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that so you generally have a much better chance of getting one on launch day than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:30 ◼   ► you do for the next two weeks it's WAY WAY easier to get one on day one that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:35 ◼   ► just to get one day two three four five so that's why I'm actually flying to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:41 ◼   ► to a conference I I have to leave for the airport at like 1 p.m. gonna go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:48 ◼   ► mall to the Apple store try to get there for the 8 a.m. opening and maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:53 ◼   ► little before and see if I can get a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56 ◼   ► get out of there by like eleven the morning which I might I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:01 ◼   ► there's a good possibility I might have to just you know obviously any online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04 ◼   ► near the front at 11 and I must say sorry I forgot about that time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:12 ◼   ► thought about waking up at 3 to try the online ordering but I i don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:17 ◼   ► faith that would actually work so I don't know I don't either I suspect I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:22 ◼   ► gonna have to get in the car and if I'm waking up if I'm waking up at like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► know 622 to go to the store and get on mine also waking up at three would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:32 ◼   ► be great for my mood that day but I do plan to get TIFF and I are both great in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:40 ◼   ► this year I do plan to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:43 ◼   ► 64 gig black which is now space grey works I I have expressed my my my so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:52 ◼   ► my life for that color and my dislike for the previous slate black iPhone 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:56 ◼   ► had so I'm gonna get the black 64 AT&T to get in the white 64 AT&T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2216">TS</a>]

00:37:02 ◼   ► yourself to 64 on iPhones but not an iPad use that funds when more and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:06 ◼   ► actually do take tons of photos and videos so we we have space issues on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:13 ◼   ► smaller devices so and AT&T simply because Verizon does not work in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:18 ◼   ► house there and we're sticking with AT&T as well we went to AT&T from Verizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► when I got my iPhone which was my first iPhone 3G s and to be honest we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:28 ◼   ► really have any issues with it for sticking with it as well and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31 ◼   ► point out that Jason friend of the show Jason Snell point is set in the Chad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► China's getting it the same day that we are this year's so perhaps some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:41 ◼   ► gray market stop yeltsin the bad news is they're gonna get a lot of stock yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that's the good news is but the good news is you won't have a bunch of grain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:49 ◼   ► market buyers competing for the stock they even higher gonna want if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► makes any sense at all so that's actually good point down on China but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:57 ◼   ► what about other countries that are getting on day one I mean China was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00 ◼   ► always a big one right but that but I think I think we're still gonna see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:04 ◼   ► lot of people who are looking to scalp them yeah I'm sorry so John we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:08 ◼   ► given you a chance so tell me about what's going on in the circus household [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:12 ◼   ► first thing thinking of you too three in the morning or going to the store when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:17 ◼   ► it opens again in line the interesting thing that I wanna know I'm on today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:20 ◼   ► for the poor suckers at the end of the line which made when they ran out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► stock car when the stock starting at low what do those people here because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:29 ◼   ► Arab act like an iPhone four days with all those people heard is I'm sorry all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:34 ◼   ► I got left is white 64 gigs member that the white 64 gigs were like those were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► the last ones to go we don't know if it's because of the ratios they predict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42 ◼   ► or whatever but I cross the entire country was like what's left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► white was the unpopular color and it's always like to super expensive there may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48 ◼   ► be like white 16 somewhat 6432 is going you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:52 ◼   ► so that's what I would I'm most interested in because we don't get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:56 ◼   ► know breakdowns by color or capacity Randy interesting from Apple but we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2336">TS</a>]

00:39:01 ◼   ► our own little research by everyone going to the Apple store some lunch days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:04 ◼   ► waiting in lines and at the lines are long enough in the very popular stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:08 ◼   ► the people at the ends of those lines start to have to make those hard choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10 ◼   ► like mark tried to get a 64 bit that's all they had left what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:14 ◼   ► undesirables is there one color that like every store has a bunch of goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17 ◼   ► left every store has a bunch of white slept at one capacity that's that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:21 ◼   ► I'm watching for much and that's all we're doing lunch today because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:25 ◼   ► waiting on line not ordering anything on the internet I'm not doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► unless they for myself or my wife is going to get up at three in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► to get a phone or anything like that we're probably just gonna wait until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:38 ◼   ► like stocks go back up like we wait a month maybe have to wait until the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:44 ◼   ► year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:44 ◼   ► any of those things that's fine as far as I'm concerned cuz I'm not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47 ◼   ► anything and my wife is planning on getting a new 5 ass don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► color she wants she has said that she likes the gold I don't know she makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:59 ◼   ► you have been shamed by the Internet into not getting a whole lot how funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:05 ◼   ► is it that grew reserve units 45 Sienna gold fund that is funny about pink and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:11 ◼   ► people like a color that that he shouldn't have it's perfectly fine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:16 ◼   ► think the point is not particularly attractive because it's kind of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:19 ◼   ► like a dirty chalky like pepto-bismol pink but if you like that color it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:24 ◼   ► fine don't think there's any reason to make the golden the other hand I i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27 ◼   ► find something funny about we didn't talk about this I feel like finger on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:34 ◼   ► why don't know if we're going to start a connection but why why don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:37 ◼   ► cold one having not seen it in person and the thing that gets me bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:41 ◼   ► flashbacks to his back when the Lexus first came out with Alice 400 is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:45 ◼   ► first time since there was tired as luxury brand around then that job the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:50 ◼   ► Japanese makers are making a luxury brands Nissan and Infiniti turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:54 ◼   ► like this and it was gonna have a body but didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57 ◼   ► Lexus their cars one to make him look fancy so they tried to make them look a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:02 ◼   ► lot like Mercedes S Class but one thing likes us offered on I think it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:07 ◼   ► all of its initial run of models or maybe just maybe it wasn't even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► factory thing maybe with a dealer installed thing is that you can get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:14 ◼   ► car with gold trim instead of four hundred and like the fake silver plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:22 ◼   ► letters like every car says in the back of it you can get all that stuff in gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:26 ◼   ► the little tiny accent lines around the window the size and Highland this gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:32 ◼   ► trim was very popular and it was the tax thing in the entire universe I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► could not stand and I couldn't imagine anybody but otherwise the cars looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39 ◼   ► really distinguish you know a nice-looking and then and it was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:43 ◼   ► of gold was just a little bit of cool but all the accents were golden look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:47 ◼   ► terrible to me and that's all I can think of when I see pictures of the gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:50 ◼   ► iPhone that is just like you could have got a regular iPhone and you just opted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:55 ◼   ► for the gold trim and it just makes the whole thing tacky again I say this not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:59 ◼   ► having seen one in person you don't just told me that there's an arrow in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:03 ◼   ► FedEx in the negative space and now I'll never be able to not think ls400 when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:08 ◼   ► see a gold iPhone 300 as well I could just stand and again I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:13 ◼   ► this is factory option or just like a dealer installed options for Long Island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16 ◼   ► because like many things online under attack in this study break in with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:19 ◼   ► and I saw this they were everywhere oh yeah I before you tell me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:26 ◼   ► something awesome so John so I thought your wife already had a five now now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:32 ◼   ► the forest she broke down and got her an iPhone for us was the best when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:37 ◼   ► this but she got she keeps trying to want to like turn trade in her for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:41 ◼   ► was like Oh Verizon give me $200 for us I can get a free 5s and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:46 ◼   ► gazelle will give me just watching all these things I'm like no you can't so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:49 ◼   ► would have to keep it goes into the museum and it's mostly because I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:55 ◼   ► like that form factor as I mentioned unless I really like how it looks as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:59 ◼   ► as an object not so much as a phone that I hold my hand but as an opera Terry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► like it I even like the bumper that you got it so we're definitely keeping down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06 ◼   ► I want to add also steven hack and our friend instead pointed out a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:11 ◼   ► ago that before move on that Apple's been doing this thing with the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:15 ◼   ► couple of releases where he wait on the lines of the stores to go around to pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:20 ◼   ► a little cards they ask you what you're waiting for how many what model and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:24 ◼   ► give you a card represent that model and I think the implication is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:29 ◼   ► have the right number of cars there represent their stock so that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:33 ◼   ► they can then tell you like okay just bring the stake in the front and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:37 ◼   ► still have enough that you'll get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39 ◼   ► consequently if you're too far back into line they will be able to tell everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42 ◼   ► like after this point sorry we're not going to have any more for you by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:46 ◼   ► time you get there they'll be gone which is nice actually cause then you won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49 ◼   ► waiting on line for hours you know for something that they that you end up not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:55 ◼   ► getting an early in the morning you'll know ok guys at the bottom line what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:59 ◼   ► got last year 16 gigabyte white 5s and you know like whenever the unpopular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:03 ◼   ► ones are on the list to watch the people the backline screaming go by phone today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:08 ◼   ► I don't want to come back and bite of the people making those choices unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:13 ◼   ► you are like Marco about to get on the plane down the stone come back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:17 ◼   ► different day because you have to live with your choice unless you must dare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:20 ◼   ► you to get the bigger model because of their due to get the bigger Milan you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23 ◼   ► can actually afford it that's fine but if but if you find yourself getting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:28 ◼   ► a 16 or a color that you don't want you will suffer through that you know by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:31 ◼   ► looking at ugly phone that makes you sad by not being able to fix stuff for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:36 ◼   ► know your two-year contract whatever you have so if for whatever reason I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:40 ◼   ► forced to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:42 ◼   ► I would choose gold before it to 16 gigs strong language there are you should she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:48 ◼   ► choose neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:49 ◼   ► like put a case on it or send him those anodizing services or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:53 ◼   ► 16 gig you suffer everyday like every time you take a picture of terry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56 ◼   ► download a podcast you suffer you know I should point out that someone is either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2696">TS</a>]

00:45:02 ◼   ► your wife John or masquerading as your wife in the chat trying to enlist the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:06 ◼   ► chat room to argue with you about how you're running out of space in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:09 ◼   ► museum that's what I said but still I do find it also the five is that by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:19 ◼   ► like people I'm surprised no one complained that like you I just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:23 ◼   ► awhile complain as $100 to move up to the next door in size yet I'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:26 ◼   ► forgo $200 simply to keep an old phone the principle of the matter was just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:31 ◼   ► that's that's how my priorities work out what's more important you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:35 ◼   ► mean like I would have done that I don't want to pay the extra hundred for the 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► and by not paying a 264 over the course of many years allows me to afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/2740">TS</a>]

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00:57:18 ◼   ► like 64 bit issues and stuff like that but that just goes to show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:22 ◼   ► synthetic benchmarks like that like to give you a good idea of what's inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:27 ◼   ► the ship but are almost meaningless terms of the actual use of reforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:31 ◼   ► easyJet because that's exactly what Apple are any cheap designer designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34 ◼   ► for their trying to trade areas that you won't notice and in exchange for lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:39 ◼   ► power consumption or using more transitions transistors amor para some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:43 ◼   ► other chips they're finding where can we cheat where can we where can we actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:47 ◼   ► regressive use less and when your hardware and in exchange for that put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:51 ◼   ► that time energy resources die area power consumption into another part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:56 ◼   ► the trip to make it faster and that's what you want it to be if they had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3476">TS</a>]

00:58:00 ◼   ► like a shrink to 20 nanometers and then you can have you taken you to we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:03 ◼   ► have to do any tradeoffs working at lower power going to get everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:07 ◼   ► it'll be faster in all possible ways but they seminars on that ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10 ◼   ► especially since they went up to 64 bits at the same time so we're saying is chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:15 ◼   ► designers like the mp3 Kodak oh you can't hear that many ways to screw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:18 ◼   ► let's cut it out in this case it is because like the name made tradeoffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:22 ◼   ► it's pretty amazing that you know what they've been able to achieve getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:27 ◼   ► like more or less double real-world performance and several bike and user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:32 ◼   ► application areas while not being a massive sharing and not using like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:38 ◼   ► double the power and you know like it's a it's a pretty amazing balancing acts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:42 ◼   ► to get such a huge performance boost but almost no downside is more power-hungry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:47 ◼   ► the ASICS they have to compensate but after giving it a bigger battery and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:51 ◼   ► still comes in a little behind a few hours usage areas then they explained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:56 ◼   ► overall too pretty it's pretty amazing achievement that what they've done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3536">TS</a>]

00:59:00 ◼   ► a 70 yeah I mean like the more special reading that awesome Atlantic review the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:05 ◼   ► more we learn about this chip the the more impressive than it looks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:09 ◼   ► performance gains are incredible and you know we look like I'm looking into you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:15 ◼   ► know what are the differences between the 32 and 64 bit instruction sets out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:20 ◼   ► and you know it's not when when the desktop CPUs went through this and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:25 ◼   ► basically took intel's instruction set and just extended it added to it to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:30 ◼   ► it work and to make it backwards compatible the arm VA instructions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:34 ◼   ► does not edit it actually a whole different instruction set and the chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:38 ◼   ► just switches mode between the two and it can switch modes without much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:42 ◼   ► penalty and implement both and you know in the future doesn't have to but right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:48 ◼   ► now they will for backward compatibility and that's just incredible in to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:52 ◼   ► this kind of technology in a mobile chip that is performing as well as desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:58 ◼   ► did like three or four years ago for five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:01 ◼   ► forming like to those kind of levels and being able to have these advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:06 ◼   ► features like 64 bit and hardware accelerated encryption instructions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:12 ◼   ► the end 224 instruction sets I can switch between on a whim like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15 ◼   ► that's just awesome like dat this is really advanced stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:19 ◼   ► well there there is a one equivalent in the x86 x64 transition and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:24 ◼   ► floating point stuff where the old x86 its tax base floating point and the x86 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:29 ◼   ► 64 did all that stuff with like its own you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31 ◼   ► instructions and everything and so yeah the stack-based still supported but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:36 ◼   ► every compiling the targeted x86 64 was like don't ever generates take place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:40 ◼   ► following points and so there was a kind of a similar instance where it's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:45 ◼   ► instruction sets for floating-point calculations and as soon as you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:48 ◼   ► have to use the open anymore Kapali stopped admitting that code and you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:51 ◼   ► and so is kinda like the same thing where you have the the armed army for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:56 ◼   ► whatever the instructions that is the old 32137 that one is like off to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3656">TS</a>]

01:01:02 ◼   ► side and like that would just turn off the hard way when it's not in use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:05 ◼   ► ideally it will never being used because no one was emitting code for a sec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:09 ◼   ► Department think we'll ever in the code for that because it's an entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:12 ◼   ► different structures that while same thing I X 86 no one is putting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:16 ◼   ► stacked whistling point koreamore and so even though that area needs to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:19 ◼   ► chip that only to make good doesn't have to be fast can be powered down most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22 ◼   ► the time so that's one small corner of that transition is like the armed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:27 ◼   ► transition but that's a little it's a little bit easier to do what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:31 ◼   ► like make it backward compatible with armed 32 while kind of having a unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:36 ◼   ► combination of 64 because as weird as the as the 32 bit ARM architecture was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:43 ◼   ► it is nowhere near as we are doing business as well as much younger it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:48 ◼   ► a lot of a lot of the advantage of hindsight and its design and it's risky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:52 ◼   ► it's not that says construction said we have to deal with these crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:56 ◼   ► that blow up into a million microcode instructions on the real architecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3716">TS</a>]

01:02:01 ◼   ► the chip is made I will say though you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04 ◼   ► and looking at you know various langston and supporting things it really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:09 ◼   ► look like you know going back for a second that that Intel is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12 ◼   ► certainly not having this that it's almost definitely Samsung 20 nanometer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:16 ◼   ► but it's worth talking about why that would be a big deal if Intel was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:21 ◼   ► fabulous using say you know what they had 22 for their views now or 2022 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:29 ◼   ► you know if there if there that kind of feature size then they and assuming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:36 ◼   ► they struck a deal with Apple where they wouldn't have anyone elses mobile chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:41 ◼   ► for a couple years then Apple could basically be like an entire generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:46 ◼   ► or two ahead of what everyone else in the smartphone and tablet space was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:51 ◼   ► doing with regard to power efficiency so they could they could have like either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:55 ◼   ► you know twice the CPU battery life or they could have twice the performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:58 ◼   ► the same battery life you know that that kind of level of of a difference there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:03 ◼   ► and they could maintain that as long as they had Intel is there any fracture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:07 ◼   ► no one else was having intelligent manufacture it's a really big deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:11 ◼   ► the problem of the scenario probably the reason has happened in detail would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:15 ◼   ► rather that Apple use its x86 spaceships tablets and phones and that is not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:21 ◼   ► now and tells not ready to give up on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23 ◼   ► nor should they be because if you look at the Antec benchmarks they've got Bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:27 ◼   ► Trail and there were just there Atom processor and a tablet process are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29 ◼   ► fun process is so it's not really a fair fight but it's not a desktop processor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:34 ◼   ► right and Bay Trail matches the a seven and beats in a few benchmarks Granite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:39 ◼   ► Bay trails shipping and again it's a tablet instead of a phone thing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:42 ◼   ► question is how how good is Intel getting and making the low-power x86 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:47 ◼   ► parts that could conceivably be in a tablet or phone the answer is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:51 ◼   ► getting really close because it's amazing a seventy we think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:54 ◼   ► wonderful and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:55 ◼   ► intel has a chip that's not out yet but will be out soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:59 ◼   ► that gives it a run for its money in tablet if not in phones and Intel by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:03 ◼   ► gamblers nothing if not determine like this is not the end of line that finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:07 ◼   ► got religion about low-power chips and their family target think so once Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:11 ◼   ► turns its attention to a market kind of like how they lost track of the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:14 ◼   ► with the networks market that architecture in the pending for us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17 ◼   ► chasing clock speed once they put their mind to it and came out with the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20 ◼   ► architecture like they just live right way so Intel is currently turning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:25 ◼   ► company around and saying we need to make chips that can fit in phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:29 ◼   ► and tablets and you can be sure they're going to Samsung apple and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32 ◼   ► else is saying here is our road map in 23 years we're going to have you know 14 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:38 ◼   ► an immediate shipping its gonna have this power would never compare that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41 ◼   ► your internal road map map all we think you should put x86 and I guess the flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:45 ◼   ► side of things we talked about like oh 64 bit ARM chips they're gonna put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47 ◼   ► in a MacBook Air the flip side is intel says nononono Apple don't put ARM chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:52 ◼   ► in your MacBook Air for x86 chips and all your iOS devices and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:58 ◼   ► not crazy like there is an appeal to that which is the same instruction set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:03 ◼   ► on a Mac and iOS like that's good right everyone likes that and if Intel can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:07 ◼   ► no one is going to be able to match the power and performance are going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:11 ◼   ► two or three years out because look at this roadmap that's credible coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:15 ◼   ► Intel like given their track record you can't forget about that Apple always be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:19 ◼   ► able to do something better with its own ARM architecture course Apple likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:23 ◼   ► control its destiny more than Intel let it controls destiny so that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:26 ◼   ► ongoing negotiation I'm sure but I'm not I'm not writing them off I'm not writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:30 ◼   ► off x86 or Intel in this space until I see until I see what they have to offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:35 ◼   ► like they're just beginning to be competitive but seeing that Bay Trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:38 ◼   ► those Bay Trail numbers up against the a seven let you know that I go by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:43 ◼   ► and tell us out there and they're a giant 800 pound gorilla and they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:46 ◼   ► what the heck they're doing and maybe not this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49 ◼   ► don't worry about it this year but next year like they should be on your radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:52 ◼   ► so that that's what I'll be watching for that's the flip side of the MacBook Airs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:57 ◼   ► with 64 bit ARM CPUs in them story if you like that we're gonna come to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:03 ◼   ► point where we're just waiting for this marriage like we did in the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:06 ◼   ► States between up on Verizon doesn't does a question makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:11 ◼   ► Apple already married Intel for the max and whatever is waiting for now is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:15 ◼   ► divorce like they're going to Apple's gonna make arm CPUs ever everything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:21 ◼   ► that but we have to see how this turns out like it's not a slam dunk that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:25 ◼   ► Intel's gonna have chips that beat everything that happened to us they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27 ◼   ► just they're just barely starting to be competitive now an x86 does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:31 ◼   ► disadvantage being disgusting and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33 ◼   ► even 64 bit various compared to the arm things and Apple does is a control freak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:38 ◼   ► and does really prefer doing getting an architecture license from arms and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:42 ◼   ► everything sells a boyfriend they could just do everything themselves and get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:45 ◼   ► till the fat them with their super awesome fats that are you know in two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:48 ◼   ► three years time beforehand and meteorite and Intel x86 everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:53 ◼   ► except something that they can only control to some degree or equivalent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:57 ◼   ► a large degree than arm so we are in a transitional period and I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4017">TS</a>]

01:07:03 ◼   ► be in the multi-year long boardroom meetings between those two companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:06 ◼   ► trying to negotiate how this is going to turn out to be actually very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:10 ◼   ► I will point out though before you leave this topic that they trail CPUs Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:16 ◼   ► has not only are not yet in in a phone compatible power envelope but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:23 ◼   ► don't get PDF and they are using 2010 Amir so the idea that Intel is only able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:29 ◼   ► to basically match day seven in most in most ways in performance there were only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:34 ◼   ► able to match it not beat it using this entire generation ahead of process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:41 ◼   ► technology and using more power than a seven that is that significant that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:48 ◼   ► that's a substantial difference they used to be even crappier like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:51 ◼   ► look at the tills previous efforts to do anything low-power like they've come a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:57 ◼   ► really really long way and I guess they're not there yet but I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:01 ◼   ► count them out like you then they should be doing better than they are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:05 ◼   ► should have been a four years it's like Intel what's your problem like wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:08 ◼   ► make a decent mobile chip like well we have these these Atom processors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:12 ◼   ► they're kinda good and cheap PCs like no no we can attain a phone or tablet ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:17 ◼   ► we'll make something like they've just making crap they haven't really be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:20 ◼   ► putting their a team on it and so now they're finally waking up and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:24 ◼   ► other issues and Terms doing system-on-a-chip services individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:27 ◼   ► CPUs that Intel needs to gain expertise and so there is a bit of a learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:31 ◼   ► curve there but you know give their roadmap and second text on a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:37 ◼   ► articles as well I can look at the roadmap three chips down what intel says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:41 ◼   ► they're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:42 ◼   ► on the low end on the high end and how they kind of start converging into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:46 ◼   ► continuum of chips to go all the way from phone power and love is always open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:50 ◼   ► to you know Mac Pro power envelopes and how Intel sees eventually unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:54 ◼   ► architecture that spans that range and you can't you can't count them out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:59 ◼   ► can I do I don't look at those slides and and saw forget it happened because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:04 ◼   ► if you would say the same thing when they were when they had a painting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:07 ◼   ► us and look like he was kicking their butt in the shoulder the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:09 ◼   ► architecture thing whatever I'll believe it when I see it well they did it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:13 ◼   ► so I I have faith in Intel still don't know why I would have severe doubt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:20 ◼   ► Apple would ever give up control again for Apple to have done the a seven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:25 ◼   ► the Holy series you know have to have all the oldest ship design house for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:30 ◼   ► making exclusive chips that you know Intel can go sell their trips to Sam's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:34 ◼   ► song and everyone else they don't care to have for Apple to have exclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:38 ◼   ► chips they're totally under their control and they can have pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:42 ◼   ► anyone they want you know within a very very small group of people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:46 ◼   ► capable of it but they can have anybody they want manufacture it they can set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49 ◼   ► their own schedule for the most part they can they can you know get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:53 ◼   ► price gains by by being the designers and basically just using somebody else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:57 ◼   ► I get done that I I don't see you know it's different the max in the max apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4197">TS</a>]

01:10:03 ◼   ► Holly sells any Macs relatives number of iOS devices they sell the Mac business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:08 ◼   ► they can and there's no really good alternative in the Mac and PC space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:12 ◼   ► besides until right now but you know for them to give up such an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:18 ◼   ► component to go backwards in in the direction they've they've been trying so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:23 ◼   ► hard to go to switch to someone else's processor and and system-on-a-chip and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:28 ◼   ► and to let than anybody else saw the exact same chip in their own phones I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:33 ◼   ► don't I don't see Apple about that that's all part of the negotiation who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:36 ◼   ► to say that Intel will let anyone else by that chip like would not be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:40 ◼   ► the negotiation and the other thing about all I have anybody so far they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:44 ◼   ► been having Samsung fed them which is not good I like Apple does not want sam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:49 ◼   ► that wants to know what I want semiconductor 22 Feb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:52 ◼   ► and they're not online yet right so it's it's it's an uncomfortable situation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:58 ◼   ► everybody everyone's got something to offer and everyone's got something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01 ◼   ► don't want to give up right Apple and Samsung have someone else had their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:05 ◼   ► stuff they want to retain complete control but they would also like to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07 ◼   ► finding things that you know competitive or superior levels and so maybe an Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:14 ◼   ► wants to get into this space so maybe in telling us how can we will will find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:19 ◼   ► your arm chips for you and the next year you promised to buy our shit but will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:23 ◼   ► only sell you the system-on-chip we won't sell to anyone else it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25 ◼   ► exclusive contract provided you can provide such and such a volume like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:30 ◼   ► the business deals to be made here there are you know sort of win-win scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33 ◼   ► for Apple and Intel us they could just figure out the right balance of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:39 ◼   ► versus money versus guaranteed sales vs Aliens vs not helping our competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:43 ◼   ► and you know the whole nine yards and and if Apple won't talk until is truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:47 ◼   ► talking to Samsung as well and everybody else so it's it's a delicate dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:51 ◼   ► between these giants in the phone business to see who is you know everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:55 ◼   ► negotiating for a superior position down the line i think is most cool about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4315">TS</a>]

01:12:02 ◼   ► this though is that this mobile space is interesting from the hardware straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05 ◼   ► to the software it's not like there's any part of this ecosystem that's boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:10 ◼   ► everything is in flux everything is is moving very quickly and it's it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:17 ◼   ► of fun to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:18 ◼   ► that's for sure much better than the PC space where it was just like Windows an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:22 ◼   ► Intel for so long and named him kinda made interesting briefly before intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:25 ◼   ► Smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:26 ◼   ► alright and with that let's wrap up this week thanks a lot to our two sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:31 ◼   ► Squarespace and mail route see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:36 ◼   ► now this show as they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:48 ◼   ► Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:52 ◼   ► death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:57 ◼   ► and you can tell thats Casey list and a team Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:36 ◼   ► titles are lacking today who aren't that funny today I guess no swimming in 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:45 ◼   ► games michael's pretty good just got a cyber the other space after the 16 yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:49 ◼   ► number space Wow don't put anything like that in 25 podcast titles with strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:55 ◼   ► characters and mangled I'm so disappointed with the RSS feed readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4435">TS</a>]

01:14:00 ◼   ► now that I have an RSS feed in which you know it but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:08 ◼   ► complaints they are your feet is broken and my shit is so not broken everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:13 ◼   ► shows up everything shows up as one giant paragraph at the field has tags on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:18 ◼   ► it it validates invalid Atom feed direct descendants of the items tagged or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:26 ◼   ► encoded as HTML I'm using namespace support and Adam are you can say this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:32 ◼   ► the item this section and I'm going to tell you now is you know HTML names I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:37 ◼   ► not making this stuff up and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:38 ◼   ► following the standards of the problem the problem is the readers don't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:42 ◼   ► the standards the readers are like sort of you know how fast heuristic kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:47 ◼   ► like that they're not following the standard the standard provides a way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:50 ◼   ► you to put HTML inside there without escaping it because that's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:53 ◼   ► thing you can do like ok well understood escape percent Lt semicolons all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:57 ◼   ► the place right then you have to order the readers not correctly on escaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4497">TS</a>]

01:15:01 ◼   ► that right so I was trying to avoid them by saying look I make it easy for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:04 ◼   ► there's a way in the atom standard to put HTML in there and have actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:09 ◼   ► gmail tax and tell you know that small namespaces used to be a you were looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:14 ◼   ► into Atom feed now you're about to look at HTML and alternation houses P tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:17 ◼   ► and things just swallowed up in don't show the Brixton paragraphs some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:23 ◼   ► do something we did find other ones don't just a constant struggle to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:28 ◼   ► the authors of these feed reader applications sending the Euro my feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:32 ◼   ► tell them that it's valid tells me that there's thing should rendered correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:36 ◼   ► and then never hear from you how does that work out when you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:39 ◼   ► occasionally like there was a couple bugs that were easier to find didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:43 ◼   ► have to do with formatting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45 ◼   ► I think the reader guy I sent to the stuff that is like I found out that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:49 ◼   ► think it was like actually subscribing they click on the little linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52 ◼   ► subscribe and they couldn't handle it because my subscription things didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:57 ◼   ► have my phone and extension some other crazy things there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4557">TS</a>]

01:16:01 ◼   ► their URL parsing did recognize . Co as a domain specifier and so would treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:08 ◼   ► the entire thing is a search string just I don't even know you look at your feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:13 ◼   ► yeah but the way I had no idea you could even run it through Adam validator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:18 ◼   ► America you're probably have two problems first of all you're linking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:22 ◼   ► your horses RSS feeds actually Adam thats against all standards second of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:27 ◼   ► all atoms terrible that's your problem right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:32 ◼   ► see the reason why Adam is terrible to parse is not like parse the XML but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:38 ◼   ► guess you know the reason why it's terrible to interpret the tree that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40 ◼   ► parsed is that you can do a million different things and Adam and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:46 ◼   ► it like Adam RSS was designed by a couple of crazy people and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:51 ◼   ► really simple and it works and it's really easy to deal with Adam was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:55 ◼   ► designed by a committee in response to limitations in our success so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4615">TS</a>]

01:17:01 ◼   ► doomed to be is ridiculous bloated thing that could encompass every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► thing you ever want to do with anything in a feed but Adam and I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:08 ◼   ► close standard like it's not like you have to interpret eight thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11 ◼   ► different date formats like Adam finds with the format is and that's all he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:15 ◼   ► just follow the atom standard you're fine that's why I picked it for somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:19 ◼   ► implementing like you know feed parser following the standard first of all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:23 ◼   ► have to have a function of like weird fuzzy logic exceptions to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:26 ◼   ► these aren't properly formed but second of all dealing with Adam it's just such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:31 ◼   ► a pain because there are so many different possibilities like to say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:34 ◼   ► right well you know what what is the date that I should display for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:38 ◼   ► article was like 16 different ways to represent dates and they all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41 ◼   ► slightly different semantic meanings and some people have you know one or two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:44 ◼   ► them some people have none of them some people have these three but one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:47 ◼   ► only sixty years in the future for some reason you deal with that but thats RSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:50 ◼   ► you're describing how to RSS there there are a lot fewer value types like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:56 ◼   ► is a lot simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58 ◼   ► rupture Adam tries to represent every possible thing it's it's very it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:04 ◼   ► complex as a result and and the possible thus the range of possible situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:11 ◼   ► and meaning they can be encompassed by Adam is so much bigger that in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:15 ◼   ► that leads to not only much harder to write partners for it but a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:19 ◼   ► likely errors if you're if you are relying on it being parsed properly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:27 ◼   ► wild west and the like I'm not using esoteric you can look at that and filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:32 ◼   ► with your eyes and understand every single piece of it like it's not I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:35 ◼   ► I'm not even doing a set of attachments are you a very simple straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:39 ◼   ► and there is no ambiguity there's no date in it could possibly be in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:43 ◼   ► other format and so it appeals to me and no I don't think the fact that external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:47 ◼   ► links as RSS has anything to do with this is so like this perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:51 ◼   ► represents you vs me right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53 ◼   ► like you are the Atom feed and I'm the RSS parser like I mind like Matic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4733">TS</a>]

01:19:02 ◼   ► simple and you know not technically that correct but it just works and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:07 ◼   ► like you're like well what about this RSS feeds have parsing RSS feeds have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:13 ◼   ► tons of problems all the time because people produced junk cars I'm totally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:17 ◼   ► proponent of don't put out John can make people have to hand it to mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:22 ◼   ► the whole thing of like co-stars laws like the liberal when you consume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:25 ◼   ► conservative output and like parsers that died as soon as they find something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:29 ◼   ► valid responses that just stumble along and I think html5 is the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:34 ◼   ► approach which is done immediately die if you encounter any error but document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:39 ◼   ► your error handling precisely so that everyone can render the same way and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:43 ◼   ► think the web has proven the data model is the correct one because the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:46 ◼   ► was writing crap and then parses doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:48 ◼   ► they want was untenable and the one where you don't show anything on a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:52 ◼   ► of a single thing is broken it's also untenable and the correct solution is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:56 ◼   ► have a well-defined standard all the way down to how you handle air condition so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4796">TS</a>]

01:20:00 ◼   ► that everybody can implement their partisan exactly the same way that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:04 ◼   ► blow up when you have an error but the whole page still the same and so i i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:07 ◼   ► think it's perfectly possible to implement Adam parts using it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:11 ◼   ► before I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4811">TS</a>]

01:21:02 ◼   ► hopefully to the three of us will have new phones next week and all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQDQOw0/4862">TS</a>]

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