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10 hazard you john has changed a bunch of stuff and EPA and change and stuff
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like this create and sell stolen ship they'd start price so if you've been
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drinking things other than water lately have you like gotten some soda to get
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over the ANC's nope a diet pepsi or something what was your biggest Diet
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gonna go to restaurants what i get if i get anything some time to study water
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spray is my go-to I learned the difference between living in Richmond
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Virginia man living in a mint major metropolitan areas like Boston or New
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York because I went to the Apple store to do the easy stealing EZPay thing and
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they had only one lightning cable with mom and it was brought busted because
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was a third party one block someone to do the ECC EZPay thing and i ended up
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just by pure happenstance seeing a friend of mine in there so i cant
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talking to the guy and then one of the Apple employees in a blue shirt a double
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take chances are UKC yes yes but not the correct answer that question was of
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course health Casey
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the one opportunity to say that to myself I think about it so it gets
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better though because I lose track of this individual caught my friend for a
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little bit and then I don't know this for sure but all the sudden to other
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blue shirts come swooping in from the middle of nowhere but they're people
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inside of them but yeah it was weird
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so there were there were people inside a blue shirt so anyway so these
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it almost seemed like the first individual
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went into the back room to say oh my god guess who's here and then the other two
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came sweeping out and it was the most flattering and ridiculous and overseeing
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and so it's good it's good to live in small town and and so John when you go
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in with your busted or is your wife's busted Cinema Display or whatever
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Thunderbolt Display number jealous of and you don't get special treatment why
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did get special treatment to drive back to my house and get my idea that I
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forgot like that's it that's all the one I didn't and it wasn't like it's not to
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be flattered my ego it's like practical purposes like most the time I do not
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want to be recognized I don't like this one time just this one time and yeah
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that is depressing that I have literally never been recognized an Apple store
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that's ok don't you know who I am I'm a professional complained like I just
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don't wanna get back in the car was like you drive out to make a trip you know
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bring the whole thing could drive out there don't get back to my car and drive
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past my fault I guess I am the one who forgot my idea claiming the staff of the
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store for it at all but like boy i just i just wanted to this one time to save
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me a car and it did not work so now I will never ever forget my idea again I
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still have to bring things back almost brought the display back again because I
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thought my warranty that I had extended was about to run out pretend that I have
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another year so I continued to let it sit here with a broken camera because I
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better get into Paris and get it back in time for a month average review but now
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when I learned that extra year is gonna wait until the review is done to send it
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in again so in summary Andrew and Scott I believe with their names thanks for
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being nice to see if this actually end up in the show which doesn't use it
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probably will be made fun enough alright so anything happen this week we got a
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credible we do ya is in a document of around looking at yesterday's do we want
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to skip it since we have a busy night and we want to do it well we aren't
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allowed to do it at the end that that is true we establish that because some
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moron asked if you could do follow-up at the end and clearly that's just now is
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this topic is this far enough into the show that we can't do it anymore he
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crossed the follow up to this point
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the arbiter alright so actually this is mostly year course John is not in the
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sense that you have the most followed by this snappy camp stuff that Marco should
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talk about but since he's totally unprepared for this thing he can talk
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about it so well yes the developer snappy can email doesn't give us a lot
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of great information I don't know how much of it is relevant to read on a
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podcast but it was basically we are are statements about it being awesomely
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engineered salmon they were pretty accurate he built quite a system there
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and he believes that he has not been sure locked and that there is a bright
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future ahead and I was wrong actually when I said I thought a hundred and
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twenty FPS was on one of the slides turns out 60 fps is on one of the side
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that was referring to the capabilities of the iPhone 5 hardware so I'd like
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correction alone now I believe the NDA's officially up as of today right I
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believe it's raining now which is why we have a busy show now we can talk about
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all the stuff that we had been holding back from by the NDA which actually
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isn't that much stuff but I'm sure that we will make it big and we've had entire
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shows we've said all you will have two things to talk about and then ninety
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minutes later we're just finishing the second thing wasn't like the last 30
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percent while not the very last episode neutral but like the three prior
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every alright so johnnie want to talk about this analogy for a couple minutes
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yeah we talked a lot about psychology couple years ago but one topic we didn't
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get to it although a couple people asked about my favorite hobby horse data
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and people are asking so now you've got all this storage aren't you worried
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about data integrity in bed ridden all those things to me answer is yes I am
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still worried about that because Synology does not currently support CFS
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unless you use it as a nice cozy aggressive use and iSCSI device then
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it's just like it's directly attached storage as far as your computer is
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concerned that your computer supports CFS any good format it however you want
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of course you know using a Mac with a problem for me because I was 10
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solutions for his GFS are not great not particularly stable open DFS project but
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it's really sort of a conglomeration of its existing products but anyway the
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upshot is that analogy runs txt for you probably change it to something else you
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wanna get a view that as i skazhi you can format it for everyone and 64 to my
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knowledge does not have any features like CFS that do checks on all data and
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metadata let alone things like getting blocks and all that stuff so it's not
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the one that was written by the murderer was no that's not specify which also
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doesn't have a date and everything
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integrity features as far as a nice guy has no integrity yeah a lot of
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filesystems will do metadata check something but very few of them do please
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check something data and metadata
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Anna to CFS big thing is that it's not just checks on the subject and and
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integrity checking everything you say makes a healthy round-trip always three
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untied storage systems for your drivers through the network through all the
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firmware on the disk caching from the rain some whatever whenever things are
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in the way the office make sure you Davis is making round trip itself so you
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know obviously I would prefer if it had CFS on it but I but not so much that I'm
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going to do the godess kozyrev discussed in previous shows that I wanna extension
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I don't pay for extension I'd rather use it as network attached storage causes
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more flexibility in the performance has been great in everything but and because
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like even if I did that then I will be forced to try to deal with whatever the
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F S 40 S 10 software is out there and do with all its bugs and everything like
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that so I'm not ready for that the one thing he has going for it over me just
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having a bunch of external disks is that I have slightly more faith than txt for
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will not corrupt itself in the way that each of us plus routinely does in terms
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of losing track of which blocks were allocated how many files and directories
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and all that stuff during the course of normal operation of course I don't have
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enough experience with ext4 to say this for a fact because I've UCSD to
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extensively have used 63033 probably was but first you 64 but I feel confident
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based on my experience to my vast experience dangerous plus that at the
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very least this is not a bit rubbish but at the very least the file system should
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not corrupt itself to the point where I lose data for that reason all the bits
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that are on there still could be randomly floating cells made it could be
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corrupting itself and duplicating that corruption and all my other discs in
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duplicating that corruption into the cloud that is also entirely true
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you know I'm not reach the FSE face Nirvana but I'm waiting patiently I
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found the future recovery Christmas analogy in their web forums said I would
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like some features that you data integrity check now with love it if they
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could support the efforts made it clear to all that stuff from will save
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anything ever comes to that and on the topic of waiting for CFS I also want to
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point out that I was listening to the debug podcast with a rich it's a very
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good show you should be listening to it and number twenty they had they were
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interviewing Ryan Nelsen he was formerly a I believe produkter project manager I
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don't know the difference and I'm I know there's a big difference in that and he
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was formerly on the OS 10 team and he's very briefly talked about John Siracusa
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and file systems and CFS and you know acceptable can't really say a whole lot
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but it sounded like the implication was that it's never gonna happen that
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support on Mac OS 10 will never be worth the incredible effort required to really
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do it properly take he was clearly on the bad side and side up his tank was
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asked about file systems like what's the holdup or whatever he was like well you
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know it works OK and changing it is it would be a difficult transition and the
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advantages of changing that don't currently end like this that you have
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the resources that would take the changes the number of Engineers you need
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on the amount of time you have to deal with customers in the transition phase
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that's a big cost on one side and the con call on the pro side of the colonies
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like all those pros are outweighed by the Commons and he he saw that is being
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the case I don't know in perpetuity but certainly now and you know so that's why
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I can understand that perspective but it's a little bit crazy to have that
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position sort of an absolutist I position because so many things that
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Apple has done and will do in the future are completely counter to that
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philosophy like if you could take all the arguments he had against why Apple
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has not and should not currently switching to file system and apply them
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20 I don't know why should we make an entirely new operating system that's
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barely backward compatible with the previous one like his entire job
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in the existence of his entire project is based on an effort with a tremendous
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number of cons and pros that are many years off in the future and potentially
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only theoretical and may not ever come to pass
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like Pakistan itself is the best example that is just a huge undertaking with
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huge risks and talk about a transition like a potentially company destroying
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transitional period but it had to be done
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you know you can't just keep going with the old in forever and that is entirely
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true major plus you know different though in that the the OS 10 transition
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had to happen because they were in severe pain without you know they're
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they're all OS was really really outdated to a point where they were
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losing a lot because they were losing sales they were losing people they were
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losing developers it would they were in terrible shape of the pain levels hi
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there in this case it seems like the pain level really isn't substantial and
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so what what do you think would ever motivate them to make a big change like
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that the pain levels only smaller proportion to the size of the features
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like the entire OS and a large pain level to go with it and then you have
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something small like the system but I think that the file system is just as
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bad technical shape as the OS was just at the file system is only one small
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part of analysts obviously it's less important but if you just look at that
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particular view like how how big how big of a portion of the entire experience as
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a file system and then how terrible is it forces how big a part of the entire
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experience is the operating system not terribly sad I think probably HFS plus
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more terrible in proportion to its importance than an actress 9-9 was
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terrible put the OS is like all important whereas the file system is a
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minor importance but it's just it's much 49 was just I could be that you know you
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don't have to go to the FSA that's just an incremental step is just another kind
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of regular files maybe you need to skip something entirely to some sort of
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virtualized storage model where everything is memory mapped and it's all
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just one big giant open field of RAM from the perspective of your application
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and everything is solid state behind who knows what they switch right I get to
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change something that you can't you can't go with us forever just it's just
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not tenable the same when it came time for every certain point you reach a
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breaking point you could say we're not at that breaking point now but even now
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I would say as the volumes of data that we deal with coop not having any control
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over like whether that data is good into the future but merely just copying
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around and just you know crossing your fingers and hoping for the best and just
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like sitemap get corrupted you might listen things whatever you can't go on
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that path for ever and all their competitors are ahead of them by varying
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amounts and terms of the file system technology they're using so there is a
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gap there as well as in any other examples like HFS stage of us plus I
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believe that transition for a very incremental gain like it also because
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they had to go because the block size they have enough blocks to make like 32
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killed by a minimum block size hard drives are getting bigger like it was
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kind of good to give them to kick in the pants do that but they have the same
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exact same problems how do you deal with people not be able to read discs try to
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do an in-place translational thought someone was terrible
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statements plus like these are all problems we know about like and maybe
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even go through again with another architecture transition of a good arm or
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something like these type of transitions are painful but they're also necessary
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so I don't fault someone for saying at various times this came up we decided
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that the pros outweigh the cons but once you say and it's never going to be
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important enough to change that's where I part ways and say no never is a long
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time it's something we'll replace it and if you don't plan for something to
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replace it if you don't take an active role in the eventual replacement piece
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of technology dealing with it will sneak up on you and you will have problems so
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best to plan for it and I think they have been planning for they were looking
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in CFS they went you know they're going so far as to put it up on web pages on
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that website to say it's coming
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didn't work out for you know reasons beyond their control legal issues blah
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blah maybe even technical issues that's fine but that's not an excuse to say
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well we're never gonna file systems again you know you really do just love
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any excuse to talk about systems don't you I do if I was on that podcast I like
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everything he said but when he said like it's never going to be important never
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know like the implication was that the time has come and gone for that but just
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like HFS plus River not each of us plus it's going to have to change and if
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Apple doesn't take a role in changing it there will find themselves in a crisis
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situation I would love you run the show with you know with him at the moment i
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mean the show already the conversation was so long had to split into two
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episodes I would imagine what you know if you went on there have been at least
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equipped with everything else I love to hear the details I loved everything he
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said comparing the two cultures between Microsoft and Apple in terms of their
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development systems and everything so great and so to keep moving along
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because we do have lots to talk about another piece of quick follow-up I think
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the last piece about the Synology I'd ask Marco what it was like using the
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Synology for photo photograph storage as a photographer cuz I know a couple
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friends of asked me about it and Mark don't know if I but I'm sorry mark but
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anyway he said I used Lightroom with the library resulting in a Synology for a
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few years and it works just great at first I was even connected to it through
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wifi just a little too slow to be fine so I finally drilled a hole through the
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wall to connect with an Ethernet cable but fYI according to market works great
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so and that's all the follow-up I had actually but one more breathing in this
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analogy with ZFS bit this is yet another reason why you might want to build your
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own CFS 1000 FreeBSD whatever you know build your own ass all the people who
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build their own asses and they were willing to sink the time and do that to
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get it done in exchange for their time and possibly their sandy they will end
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up with a solution that you know how that has the integrity and you can't get
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that if you buy some knowledge of this plus another +1 in the column of
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building your own thing although as the person who sent an email about that one
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of the emails about this topic said
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taking that route trying to build your own nests kind of a time vampire and I
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that's their business model right my game and even getting up to like you
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anybody with advertisers everyone should copy square spaces free travel no credit
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back so why would you know just returning customers that everyone should
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company's Christmas that's free advice for all people who are listening to the
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site for neutral sponsoring the entire ship but I was looking around me I'd
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heard about scripts based on the podcast everything and that's the No credit card
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trials actually the biggest reason I think why sign up because you're right
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I'm the same way if I see something like a free trial just created entire be
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account your personal information your phone number give us your mother's
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maiden name is your entire credit card number and everything and if you don't
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cancel going to charge you $100 in a week and a year and then talk to some
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like either call someone on the phone and online chat to cancel the service
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Adobe support recently and they love making people in the chat is just had to
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do it I cancelled by Mike gogo wifi on the plane plan to like last time I flew
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somewhere is like you could pay you know some some amount for the flight or if
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you pay less than double that for a whole month to fly here to fly back let
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me do that also known for their student plan and canceled when I get home and
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think they might as well be and it was a whole ordeal I convince them they try to
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upsell you will keep you on this planet are you sure you want to cancel this
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stuff although pro tip if you buy from go go before you get on the plane it is
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a few dollars cheaper I believe you know I've heard that but I never member do it
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when you can fail together a usable connection for less money that's true
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actually have that available like at the plane might have a 115 took it was
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either on virgin or JetBlue where they usually have the life I but light on one
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flight it was just down leakage is broke and they barely got sorry we don't have
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a good flight and so if I would have bought in advance that I would have to
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go back to that same chat bot person sorry to refund and that'll do it but
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it's it's a pain in the butt to do all that for you just hold onto that code
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for the next five so to keep things moving
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John at the end of the last episode after the episode you got a little upset
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about something you want to explore that little bit more couple that only episode
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I put just a reference he was appointed was 64 bit long pointer so that you can
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you can discuss the storage capacity issue
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yeah how do you feel about the storage capacities in the new iPhone I feel bad
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about it everyone should feel bad about it because it's a bad situation no
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storage shift I'm talking about here is like apple offers three sizes terms of
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flash storage iOS devices and one has 16 the middle one is 32 in the big 12 64
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and typical Apple fashion had to find some way to put most of their margins
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they put a lot of it into the storage capacity to $6,400 more than 32 I think
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32 cost $100 116 and for anyone who knows anything about pricing of flash
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memory those numbers do not reflect the cost of goods in any rational way you
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know extra 16 gigabytes of flash does not cost $100 in any year so that's fine
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whatever that's how they segment their stuff but for years and years I've been
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buying the middle model 32 gigabytes and I think the very first one ever bought
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was 32 maybe that was the high end at that point and that's kind of like
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barely enough to hold all my stuff but as the years pass I would expect that
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they would shift just as they did once before but they used to be in a gigabyte
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model I think of one of the phones used to be a for ya I remember how small they
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want the original iPhone cuz I wasn't buying reviews for any yeah they have to
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shift line so then the 16 goes away the 32 becomes the smallest 164 is the
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middle one and then 128 is the highest or whatever size you want doesn't have
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to be doubling whatever could be 1632 3250 I don't make a big numbers you I
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just want to see the storage shifted on the Mac on the same thing used to be
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that Max came with you know what whatever minimum amount of RAM it was
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going to be a one megabyte two megabytes 1 gigabyte to you by story about sand on
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the Maximus terrible for years because they would give you so little Rams 1-10
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the temple Buddha system with two gigs RAM and coincidentally that is the
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minimum configuration of whatever Mac your mind about an hour just beg people
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they're buying back do not buy with it the fault about a brand because Mac OS
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10 with with the minimum support amount of RAM was terrible thresher disc all
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the time especially early versions and the discovery really slow it's like buy
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more RAM and don't buy from Apple because they get you on
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but so here we are I don't know what I mean look at something like PDA but what
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year are we end of the 16 32 64 seems like we're like the third year in a row
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is it the fourth year in a row whatever it is it's way too long and I was hoping
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that this would be the year with a reduced or shifting movers down line but
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they didn't 64 still on top of the line 32 is still the middle and so once again
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my life is probably going to get a new iPhone will talk about that later in the
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show maybe she's gonna end up getting a 32 bit 64 is obscenely expensive than
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$100 over the x200 already paying over the sixteen 16 is too small so it's
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gonna be 32 again and this is another thing that Apple should really move on
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without me at the very least my phone sex is will this is now my number one
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feature for the iPhone sex next year they better do a storage to get you
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can't just keep selling 16 32 and 64 forever kinda like HMS + at a certain
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point it becomes embarrassing like you have you have to change you know maybe
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they won't be able to get 16 / 16 gigabytes of flash anymore because
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normal cell flashlight small in a few years ago the cereal boxes will come
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with 16 gigabytes but I can tell you that my 4 S's 64 gig and I don't think
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the four had that as an option but I'm not a hundred percent sure I believe
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it's correct so it's at least ban was that for us five and five assets three
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years now I mean that you're right it's a long time like I think one years too
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long because from year to year prices go down so one year is probably too I'm
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like ok define your Apple you want to bring every last penny can out of these
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things so maybe hold on for two years but three years now that's that's way
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too long now I say no they have to shift and they also they did add a 128 gig
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iPad I believe last year it was like it was not with the iPad launch it was like
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a few months later right yeah like shifted though that was just like in
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right I added right for like another hundred bucks I think other every
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storage more than $100 if they had one gigabyte or be like well we have a 64
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gigabyte model and then a $6,500 how little they added to his $100 so maybe
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we have to change the storage tall 200 bucks
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and especially now that the cameras are just getting better and shooting a
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hundred and twenty frame per second 720p video and immersed known as crazy like
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seriously like you're giving us new ways and your iTunes Match and the clouds and
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I hope this new ways to get tremendous amounts of data retina graphics and all
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our games everything onto our iPods and yet the story doesn't changes just
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pressing up against the limits of their iOS device storage as we talk about it
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shows dealing with storage and iOS and backups and photos criminalist stuff is
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applying more pressure to the problem by keeping the storage breslow especially
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when like the people who are price-conscious they're getting sixteens
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and they're not knowing like maybe sixteen will be fine with them but if
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they have any pension for video 16 will not be fine and they'll be sad and
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that's a bad experience for customers in like well you got the 16 because it was
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the cheapest but now you're having a well as experience you know what i mean
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i think i team's matches actually designed to help with this because the
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principal goes you can stream or download on the fly what everyone
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listened to but in general you're completely right hand aaron has a 16 gig
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for us and we haven't talked much about what we're gonna do come Friday and I
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think all three of us should talk about this but I suspect I'm gonna get her
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thirty-two just to future-proof and even though strictly speaking I don't think I
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need to 64 I might do it just because I don't want to regret it later so with
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that in mind let's talk about what we're getting and how we're getting it so
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obviously just told you I think Erin's 832 haven't completely concluded
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obviously she is she hasn't put on this but generally speaking when it comes to
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things like that she just says whatever you think is best and I'm gonna be
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probably getting 60 for both spacecraft both 5 S's
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my plan currently in we'll see what I end up doing is to wake up at three
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eastern and that's when they go on sale
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attempt to buy the two phones from Apple Online cry as I usually do when it
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doesn't work as he usually doesn't and then potentially go back to that Apple
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Store three in the morning and get in line now I'm curious to hear what the
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two you were doing especially you john since he said that that might be getting
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a new one but let's start with Marco well so I am gonna try to get one night
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my flaws though in my usual plan of usually if it's a pre-order yeah wake up
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at that at three in the morning and try it but I'm not as willing to do that I'm
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not as willing to get up and wait on line in front of store for every usually
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just go and get on the line like 20 minutes before the store opens not like
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six hours ahead of time just get where the line is get online payment for the
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store opens and I've always got to get one it's never been a problem I've never
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not gotten what I wanted to hold on now is that at the Fifth Avenue stores that
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have various different stores it was it was mostly the Fifth Avenue the last the
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last one I did here in Westchester at the mall so the Fifth Avenue store
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before and even I got the original iPad at the one of the manhattan stores the
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one that's like around the 14th Street would it wherever that is so
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you know I've never had my fear is always been and I believe it's a whole
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truth it now you know we've heard a lot that the 5s might be supply constrained
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because some of these really advanced components it has that that will
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probably be true but that's true of almost every new iPhone comes out I
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think the five see is the exception this year the five see is helping to dampen
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some of the demand for the 50 S and and that's that's easy to make as they have
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all these components from the fight at making for a year but normally your best
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bet you everybody every single iPhone and iPad releases especially iPhones
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everybody is always like oh I know this one little Verizon store that no one
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knows about I'm gonna go there they have at this plan they gonna go to like this
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little obscure carrier's store that they know about or like a Best Buy where they
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know somebody who works there something like that you know something that's not
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an Apple store and the problem is yet nobody knows about those nobody goes
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there but Apple doesn't usually send any stock or the get like one or two units
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you know so I think you're gonna get one they're pretty low as if you go to one
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of Apple's flagship stores the chances you're getting a pretty good that's why
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we always go to 5th Avenue store exciting if anyone gonna have a lot of
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stock at the Fifth Avenue store yet more than that what if you go to this random
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AT&T and Verizon Verizon store and they get 164 gold and 1 16 gig white and you
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really wanted spacecraft now what exactly not so smart and more are you
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guy exact so yeah I i completely here in the problem that I'm running into with
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us is that you may not know the geography Virginia but suffice to say
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most of the population is in the greater dc-area which is way northern virginia
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which part is the South I wouldn't we're getting into anyone would say not all of
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it spent some time in Dec but anyway the point ants there's virginia beach which
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civilization outside of that and even charlottesville which is a reasonably
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large city and our west of us they don't have an Apple store yet so for like two
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thirds of the state of Virginia it is it you could pose a legitimate argument
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that my Apple Store is the nearest Apple Store so I'm really worried that if I
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don't get online at like three in the morning there is zero chance that I'm
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gonna get one we'll see what happens
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number of people that that had that get on the line
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relatives who like to know that the time until the opening the store accelerate a
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lot as it as a temperature so you can you know it's similar to the WC keynote
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lines where you can you can get online midnight the night before but you can
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also use go at seven the morning and be not that far back like it's not that not
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that different from if you went to midnight the night before so that's why
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I've always gone you like half hour to an hour before they open in fact the
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iPad 1 launched ivan what I was late and I got there like 15 minutes after they
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open the doors and I still got one and Apple stocks are stores a lot especially
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if you if you're a major city I don't think you have any problems I'll take
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that Apple has Apple stores I don't have any major problems there was one time
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when the iPad 3 came out I was forced to either not get one or get a 64 gig when
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I was looking for a 32 so I chose to just you know I'm already here but I'll
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get 64 so that you know that does happen we're especially with the iPad have so
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many models I guess now I plan to do the same way there so many models so you
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know you have to be prepared that if you want like the 16 gig black one
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you might have some problems if you get to get there late but the reason why go
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through all this on day one is because historically with with these things with
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iPhones and iPad releases generally speaking Apple AAPL has been producing
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these for awhile in a date they produce as much as they can 444 launch weekend
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that way they can not only get a bunch of people's hands and get a bunch of
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buzz when they can announce his big numbers saying on lunch we can we sold
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the right so meanwhile though after lunch we can that whole stock is then
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blown out and they got it like then trickled in men as they're made after
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that so you generally have a much better chance of getting one on launch day than
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you do for the next two weeks it's WAY WAY easier to get one on day one that I
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just to get one day two three four five so that's why I'm actually flying to go
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to a conference I I have to leave for the airport at like 1 p.m. gonna go to
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mall to the Apple store try to get there for the 8 a.m. opening and maybe a
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little before and see if I can get a phone
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get out of there by like eleven the morning which I might I don't know if
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there's a good possibility I might have to just you know obviously any online
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near the front at 11 and I must say sorry I forgot about that time and I
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thought about waking up at 3 to try the online ordering but I i don't have any
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faith that would actually work so I don't know I don't either I suspect I'm
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gonna have to get in the car and if I'm waking up if I'm waking up at like you
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know 622 to go to the store and get on mine also waking up at three would not
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be great for my mood that day but I do plan to get TIFF and I are both great in
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this year I do plan to get the
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64 gig black which is now space grey works I I have expressed my my my so far
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my life for that color and my dislike for the previous slate black iPhone 5
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had so I'm gonna get the black 64 AT&T to get in the white 64 AT&T
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yourself to 64 on iPhones but not an iPad use that funds when more and we
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actually do take tons of photos and videos so we we have space issues on a
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smaller devices so and AT&T simply because Verizon does not work in our
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house there and we're sticking with AT&T as well we went to AT&T from Verizon
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when I got my iPhone which was my first iPhone 3G s and to be honest we don't
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really have any issues with it for sticking with it as well and I should
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point out that Jason friend of the show Jason Snell point is set in the Chad
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China's getting it the same day that we are this year's so perhaps some of that
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gray market stop yeltsin the bad news is they're gonna get a lot of stock yeah
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that's the good news is but the good news is you won't have a bunch of grain
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market buyers competing for the stock they even higher gonna want if that
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makes any sense at all so that's actually good point down on China but
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what about other countries that are getting on day one I mean China was
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always a big one right but that but I think I think we're still gonna see a
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lot of people who are looking to scalp them yeah I'm sorry so John we haven't
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given you a chance so tell me about what's going on in the circus household
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first thing thinking of you too three in the morning or going to the store when
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it opens again in line the interesting thing that I wanna know I'm on today is
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for the poor suckers at the end of the line which made when they ran out of
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stock car when the stock starting at low what do those people here because I'm
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Arab act like an iPhone four days with all those people heard is I'm sorry all
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I got left is white 64 gigs member that the white 64 gigs were like those were
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the last ones to go we don't know if it's because of the ratios they predict
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or whatever but I cross the entire country was like what's left
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white was the unpopular color and it's always like to super expensive there may
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be like white 16 somewhat 6432 is going you know
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so that's what I would I'm most interested in because we don't get you
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know breakdowns by color or capacity Randy interesting from Apple but we get
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our own little research by everyone going to the Apple store some lunch days
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waiting in lines and at the lines are long enough in the very popular stores
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the people at the ends of those lines start to have to make those hard choices
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like mark tried to get a 64 bit that's all they had left what are the
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undesirables is there one color that like every store has a bunch of goals
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left every store has a bunch of white slept at one capacity that's that's what
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I'm watching for much and that's all we're doing lunch today because I'm not
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waiting on line not ordering anything on the internet I'm not doing anything
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unless they for myself or my wife is going to get up at three in the morning
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waiting on line for hours you know for something that they that you end up not
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mere hours after its release will ensure kick out will be easily twice this in
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us the number of transistors roughly and they gave us the dietary and we can do
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previous thing and it's gotta be 22 or 29 metres in the only person who could
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five ass because obviously read everything he said there and it would
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them but yeah i i agree with his guests that its 28 nanometers I don't know who
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the past several years like it looks like Intel might start getting more into
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camping trips for other people and that's why I call these Apple Intel
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war and mobile with with their x86 chips their hedges that hey we're still the
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like you know Taiwan Semiconductor is still behind them maybe kinda begin
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their heroes but I don't know that a bad track record there but then I can tell
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us number one with a bullet right so they want their chips to be the best in
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the world and be everywhere but if they can make that work a fallback plan as
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negotiations continue for the eight or whatever
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wel one was trying to estimate pipeline depth sits a lot of guesswork at this
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point but it's pretty much what we expected it to be no no big surprise
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there are actually I think there were a couple surprises when they were doing
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the benchmarking and see that the areas where regressed versus the TSX yet
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tradeoff to make in terms of power consumption everything but in an
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artificial benchmarks that show some aggressions and even I think it was some
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benchmarks just like simple scalar math type things where was falling behind you
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like 64 bit issues and stuff like that but that just goes to show that
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synthetic benchmarks like that like to give you a good idea of what's inside
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the ship but are almost meaningless terms of the actual use of reforms
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easyJet because that's exactly what Apple are any cheap designer designing
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for their trying to trade areas that you won't notice and in exchange for lower
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power consumption or using more transitions transistors amor para some
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it'll be faster in all possible ways but they seminars on that ship
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like more or less double real-world performance and several bike and user
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application areas while not being a massive sharing and not using like
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double the power and you know like it's a it's a pretty amazing balancing acts
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the ASICS they have to compensate but after giving it a bigger battery and it
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overall too pretty it's pretty amazing achievement that what they've done with
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performance gains are incredible and you know we look like I'm looking into you
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know what are the differences between the 32 and 64 bit instruction sets out
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forming like to those kind of levels and being able to have these advanced
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features like 64 bit and hardware accelerated encryption instructions and
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the end 224 instruction sets I can switch between on a whim like that's
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floating point stuff where the old x86 its tax base floating point and the x86
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instructions and everything and so yeah the stack-based still supported but
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following points and so there was a kind of a similar instance where it's like to
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instruction sets for floating-point calculations and as soon as you didn't
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combination of 64 because as weird as the as the 32 bit ARM architecture was
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the chip is made I will say though you know it's
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look like you know going back for a second that that Intel is almost
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certainly not having this that it's almost definitely Samsung 20 nanometer
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fabulous using say you know what they had 22 for their views now or 2022
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you know if there if there that kind of feature size then they and assuming that
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they struck a deal with Apple where they wouldn't have anyone elses mobile chips
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for a couple years then Apple could basically be like an entire generation
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or two ahead of what everyone else in the smartphone and tablet space was
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doing with regard to power efficiency so they could they could have like either
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you know twice the CPU battery life or they could have twice the performance
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the same battery life you know that that kind of level of of a difference there
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and they could maintain that as long as they had Intel is there any fracture and
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no one else was having intelligent manufacture it's a really big deal with
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the problem of the scenario probably the reason has happened in detail would
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rather that Apple use its x86 spaceships tablets and phones and that is not right
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now and tells not ready to give up on that
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fun process is so it's not really a fair fight but it's not a desktop processor
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parts that could conceivably be in a tablet or phone the answer is they're
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getting really close because it's amazing a seventy we think it's a
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wonderful and everything
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intel has a chip that's not out yet but will be out soon
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that gives it a run for its money in tablet if not in phones and Intel by
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gamblers nothing if not determine like this is not the end of line that finally
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got religion about low-power chips and their family target think so once Intel
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turns its attention to a market kind of like how they lost track of the ball
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with the networks market that architecture in the pending for us and
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chasing clock speed once they put their mind to it and came out with the core
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architecture like they just live right way so Intel is currently turning the
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company around and saying we need to make chips that can fit in phones
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and tablets and you can be sure they're going to Samsung apple and everybody
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an immediate shipping its gonna have this power would never compare that to
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your internal road map map all we think you should put x86 and I guess the flip
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side of things we talked about like oh 64 bit ARM chips they're gonna put them
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in a MacBook Air the flip side is intel says nononono Apple don't put ARM chips
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in your MacBook Air for x86 chips and all your iOS devices and you know that's
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not crazy like there is an appeal to that which is the same instruction set
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on a Mac and iOS like that's good right everyone likes that and if Intel can say
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no one is going to be able to match the power and performance are going to have
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two or three years out because look at this roadmap that's credible coming from
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Intel like given their track record you can't forget about that Apple always be
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able to do something better with its own ARM architecture course Apple likes
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control its destiny more than Intel let it controls destiny so that is an
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ongoing negotiation I'm sure but I'm not I'm not writing them off I'm not writing
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off x86 or Intel in this space until I see until I see what they have to offer
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like they're just beginning to be competitive but seeing that Bay Trail
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those Bay Trail numbers up against the a seven let you know that I go by the way
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and tell us out there and they're a giant 800 pound gorilla and they know
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what the heck they're doing and maybe not this year
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don't worry about it this year but next year like they should be on your radar
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so that that's what I'll be watching for that's the flip side of the MacBook Airs
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with 64 bit ARM CPUs in them story if you like that we're gonna come to the
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point where we're just waiting for this marriage like we did in the United
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Apple already married Intel for the max and whatever is waiting for now is the
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divorce like they're going to Apple's gonna make arm CPUs ever everything like
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that but we have to see how this turns out like it's not a slam dunk that
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Intel's gonna have chips that beat everything that happened to us they're
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just they're just barely starting to be competitive now an x86 does have a
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disadvantage being disgusting and all
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even 64 bit various compared to the arm things and Apple does is a control freak
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and does really prefer doing getting an architecture license from arms and doing
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everything sells a boyfriend they could just do everything themselves and get in
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till the fat them with their super awesome fats that are you know in two or
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three years time beforehand and meteorite and Intel x86 everywhere
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except something that they can only control to some degree or equivalent to
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a large degree than arm so we are in a transitional period and I would love to
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be in the multi-year long boardroom meetings between those two companies
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trying to negotiate how this is going to turn out to be actually very interesting
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I will point out though before you leave this topic that they trail CPUs Intel
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has not only are not yet in in a phone compatible power envelope but I just
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to basically match day seven in most in most ways in performance there were only
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able to match it not beat it using this entire generation ahead of process
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technology and using more power than a seven that is that significant that's a
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that's a substantial difference they used to be even crappier like if you
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look at the tills previous efforts to do anything low-power like they've come a
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really really long way and I guess they're not there yet but I wouldn't
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count them out like you then they should be doing better than they are they
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should have been a four years it's like Intel what's your problem like wanted to
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make a decent mobile chip like well we have these these Atom processors and
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they're kinda good and cheap PCs like no no we can attain a phone or tablet ok
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we'll make something like they've just making crap they haven't really be
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putting their a team on it and so now they're finally waking up and there are
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other issues and Terms doing system-on-a-chip services individual
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CPUs that Intel needs to gain expertise and so there is a bit of a learning
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curve there but you know give their roadmap and second text on a couple of
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articles as well I can look at the roadmap three chips down what intel says
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they're going to have
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on the low end on the high end and how they kind of start converging into a
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continuum of chips to go all the way from phone power and love is always open
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to you know Mac Pro power envelopes and how Intel sees eventually unified
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architecture that spans that range and you can't you can't count them out you
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can I do I don't look at those slides and and saw forget it happened because
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if you would say the same thing when they were when they had a painting for
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us and look like he was kicking their butt in the shoulder the core
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architecture thing whatever I'll believe it when I see it well they did it there
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Apple would ever give up control again for Apple to have done the a seven and
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the Holy series you know have to have all the oldest ship design house for
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making exclusive chips that you know Intel can go sell their trips to Sam's
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song and everyone else they don't care to have for Apple to have exclusive
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chips they're totally under their control and they can have pretty much
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anyone they want you know within a very very small group of people who are
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capable of it but they can have anybody they want manufacture it they can set
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their own schedule for the most part they can they can you know get a lot of
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price gains by by being the designers and basically just using somebody else's
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they can and there's no really good alternative in the Mac and PC space
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besides until right now but you know for them to give up such an important
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component to go backwards in in the direction they've they've been trying so
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hard to go to switch to someone else's processor and and system-on-a-chip and
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and to let than anybody else saw the exact same chip in their own phones I
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don't I don't see Apple about that that's all part of the negotiation who's
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to say that Intel will let anyone else by that chip like would not be part of
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the negotiation and the other thing about all I have anybody so far they've
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been having Samsung fed them which is not good I like Apple does not want sam
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that wants to know what I want semiconductor 22 Feb
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and they're not online yet right so it's it's it's an uncomfortable situation for
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everybody everyone's got something to offer and everyone's got something they
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don't want to give up right Apple and Samsung have someone else had their
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stuff they want to retain complete control but they would also like to be
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finding things that you know competitive or superior levels and so maybe an Intel
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wants to get into this space so maybe in telling us how can we will will find
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your arm chips for you and the next year you promised to buy our shit but will
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only sell you the system-on-chip we won't sell to anyone else it'll be
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exclusive contract provided you can provide such and such a volume like it's
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the business deals to be made here there are you know sort of win-win scenarios
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for Apple and Intel us they could just figure out the right balance of control
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versus money versus guaranteed sales vs Aliens vs not helping our competitors
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and you know the whole nine yards and and if Apple won't talk until is truly
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talking to Samsung as well and everybody else so it's it's a delicate dance
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between these giants in the phone business to see who is you know everyone
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negotiating for a superior position down the line i think is most cool about all
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this though is that this mobile space is interesting from the hardware straight
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to the software it's not like there's any part of this ecosystem that's boring
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everything is in flux everything is is moving very quickly and it's it's a lot
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that's for sure much better than the PC space where it was just like Windows an
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Intel for so long and named him kinda made interesting briefly before intel
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alright and with that let's wrap up this week thanks a lot to our two sponsors
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now this show as they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John
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and you can tell thats Casey list and a team Marco
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titles are lacking today who aren't that funny today I guess no swimming in 16
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games michael's pretty good just got a cyber the other space after the 16 yet
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number space Wow don't put anything like that in 25 podcast titles with strange
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characters and mangled I'm so disappointed with the RSS feed readers
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now that I have an RSS feed in which you know it but anyway
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complaints they are your feet is broken and my shit is so not broken everything
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shows up everything shows up as one giant paragraph at the field has tags on
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it it validates invalid Atom feed direct descendants of the items tagged or the
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encoded as HTML I'm using namespace support and Adam are you can say this in
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the item this section and I'm going to tell you now is you know HTML names I'm
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not making this stuff up and doing
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following the standards of the problem the problem is the readers don't follow
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the standards the readers are like sort of you know how fast heuristic kind of
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like that they're not following the standard the standard provides a way for
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you to put HTML inside there without escaping it because that's the other
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thing you can do like ok well understood escape percent Lt semicolons all over
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the place right then you have to order the readers not correctly on escaping
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that right so I was trying to avoid them by saying look I make it easy for you
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there's a way in the atom standard to put HTML in there and have actually
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gmail tax and tell you know that small namespaces used to be a you were looking
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and things just swallowed up in don't show the Brixton paragraphs some of them
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do something we did find other ones don't just a constant struggle to find
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the authors of these feed reader applications sending the Euro my feed
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tell them that it's valid tells me that there's thing should rendered correctly
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and then never hear from you how does that work out when you do that
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occasionally like there was a couple bugs that were easier to find didn't
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have to do with formatting
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I think the reader guy I sent to the stuff that is like I found out that I
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think it was like actually subscribing they click on the little linked to
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subscribe and they couldn't handle it because my subscription things didn't
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have my phone and extension some other crazy things there
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their URL parsing did recognize . Co as a domain specifier and so would treat
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the entire thing is a search string just I don't even know you look at your feet
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yeah but the way I had no idea you could even run it through Adam validator
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America you're probably have two problems first of all you're linking
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your horses RSS feeds actually Adam thats against all standards second of
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all atoms terrible that's your problem right there
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see the reason why Adam is terrible to parse is not like parse the XML but I
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guess you know the reason why it's terrible to interpret the tree that is
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parsed is that you can do a million different things and Adam and a lot of
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it like Adam RSS was designed by a couple of crazy people and so it's
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really simple and it works and it's really easy to deal with Adam was
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designed by a committee in response to limitations in our success so it was
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doomed to be is ridiculous bloated thing that could encompass every possible
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thing you ever want to do with anything in a feed but Adam and I don't have a
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close standard like it's not like you have to interpret eight thousand
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different date formats like Adam finds with the format is and that's all he
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just follow the atom standard you're fine that's why I picked it for somebody
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implementing like you know feed parser following the standard first of all you
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have to have a function of like weird fuzzy logic exceptions to deal with
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these aren't properly formed but second of all dealing with Adam it's just such
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a pain because there are so many different possibilities like to say all
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right well you know what what is the date that I should display for this
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article was like 16 different ways to represent dates and they all have
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slightly different semantic meanings and some people have you know one or two of
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them some people have none of them some people have these three but one of the
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only sixty years in the future for some reason you deal with that but thats RSS
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you're describing how to RSS there there are a lot fewer value types like there
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is a lot simpler
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rupture Adam tries to represent every possible thing it's it's very it's very
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complex as a result and and the possible thus the range of possible situations
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and meaning they can be encompassed by Adam is so much bigger that in practice
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that leads to not only much harder to write partners for it but a lot more
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likely errors if you're if you are relying on it being parsed properly more
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wild west and the like I'm not using esoteric you can look at that and filled
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with your eyes and understand every single piece of it like it's not I'm not
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I'm not even doing a set of attachments are you a very simple straightforward
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and there is no ambiguity there's no date in it could possibly be in any
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other format and so it appeals to me and no I don't think the fact that external
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links as RSS has anything to do with this is so like this perfectly
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represents you vs me right here
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like you are the Atom feed and I'm the RSS parser like I mind like Matic and
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simple and you know not technically that correct but it just works and you're
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like you're like well what about this RSS feeds have parsing RSS feeds have
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tons of problems all the time because people produced junk cars I'm totally a
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proponent of don't put out John can make people have to hand it to mean that's
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the whole thing of like co-stars laws like the liberal when you consume
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conservative output and like parsers that died as soon as they find something
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valid responses that just stumble along and I think html5 is the correct
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approach which is done immediately die if you encounter any error but document
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your error handling precisely so that everyone can render the same way and I
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think the web has proven the data model is the correct one because the old one
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was writing crap and then parses doing
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they want was untenable and the one where you don't show anything on a page
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have a well-defined standard all the way down to how you handle air condition so
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that everybody can implement their partisan exactly the same way that don't
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blow up when you have an error but the whole page still the same and so i i
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think it's perfectly possible to implement Adam parts using it right
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hopefully to the three of us will have new phones next week and all of our
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wives bill ya gonna get hurt until they come back into its boring that really
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was hijacked I P thats how you absolutely she's not in the room with me
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