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00:00:07   Hello and welcome to episode six hundred and twenty of the Connected Podcast.

00:00:11   This episode is brought to you by our fine sponsors, Fitbud and Revenue.

00:00:15   Cat.

00:00:15   My name is Mike Hurley.

00:00:17   I'm just like one of you, and I have the pleasure of introducing the

00:00:20   keynote chairman, his highness Federico Vicci.

00:00:22   Hello Federico.

00:00:23   Hello, Mike.

00:00:23   How are you?

00:00:24   Hello.

00:00:24   Hello, hello.

00:00:24   I'm I'm feeling great.

00:00:26   Feeling great.

00:00:26   Tired but good.

00:00:28   Okay.

00:00:28   Yes.

00:00:28   Yes, we're all tired.

00:00:30   Uh including our annual chairman, Stephen Hackett, who I assume is also tired.

00:00:36   Are you tired, Stephen?

00:00:37   Hi.

00:00:37   I I am tired.

00:00:38   I was looking at timery and I clocked twelve hours yesterday.

00:00:42   Oh yeah.

00:00:42   I I had to stop time tracking because it just made me feel bad

00:00:46   about myself.

00:00:47   Yeah.

00:00:47   Yeah.

00:00:48   Very busy.

00:00:48   Keynote days are always hectic.

00:00:50   And of course we have uh iOS and Mac OS, etcetera, coming out on

00:00:54   Monday.

00:00:55   So we're all rushing around, you know, you're doing screenshots, I'm screenshots.

00:00:59   Yeah.

00:00:59   John is probably starting his Golden Gate review.

00:01:02   Um John is almost done with his Golden Gate review.

00:01:05   That's good.

00:01:06   Any minute now, he's gonna get going.

00:01:08   He's gonna get going.

00:01:10   Power through the weekend.

00:01:11   I can't wait to install Golden Gate.

00:01:14   I'm super excited to install Golden Gate.

00:01:16   Yeah, that's why I like I don't mess around with Macbeth's, like I just

00:01:20   don't want that in my life.

00:01:21   And I'm really excited to to install Golden Gate on Monday.

00:01:25   You know it's actually you know you should have been on the beta.

00:01:28   It's actually been more stable than Tahoe throughout the entire But I just it's

00:01:32   a it's aggro I don't want in my life.

00:01:34   And and I like to be excited about something for just in general.

00:01:39   I like to be excited about a new operating system, right?

00:01:42   Because like I've been using iOS the whole time and then Monday will come

00:01:45   around and then I'd be like, well I've used iOS the whole time.

00:01:48   But now I'll get macOS, so that'd be nice and new for me.

00:01:51   Yeah.

00:01:51   Although I am also excited for app updates.

00:01:53   Like app updates gonna start coming in and we're gonna see how good or

00:01:57   bad Siri AI is at dealing with third party apps, which I'm excited about.

00:02:02   Super, super exciting.

00:02:03   Lots of stuff going on.

00:02:04   But it is September.

00:02:06   You know what that means.

00:02:08   It is childhood cancer awareness month.

00:02:11   And each September, those of us in the relay community and and our friends

00:02:16   and people people out in the Apple world, uh, we come together to support

00:02:21   Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:02:24   And this childhood cancer awareness month, we are on our way to passing five

00:02:30   million dollars raised as a community since 2019, which is absolutely amazing to me

00:02:39   that we are are very close to that number.

00:02:42   Uh so what does that number mean?

00:02:43   What does that money do?

00:02:45   Where does it go?

00:02:46   Um well Saint Jude treats children from around the world without regard of where

00:02:53   they're from, what they look like, what they believe, whether or not they can

00:02:56   pay or not.

00:02:57   They treat them for free.

00:02:59   And the research they do at the hospital, their campus here in Memphis is

00:03:03   shared around the world.

00:03:05   So you don't even have to be at St.

00:03:07   Jude to benefit from Saint Jude.

00:03:10   I got an email last week from somebody whose niece had a cancer diagnosis

00:03:15   and she was treated elsewhere in the US.

00:03:17   But the doctors told them, Hey, this research, like this protocol we're using was

00:03:24   put together in conjunction with Saint Jude, which is absolutely incredible.

00:03:28   They share that research around the world.

00:03:32   Since St.

00:03:32   Jude opened in 1962, back then childhood cancer was largely considered incurable.

00:03:40   But since then, St.

00:03:41   Jude has helped push push the overall survival rate in the US from 20%

00:03:46   to 80%.

00:03:47   And they're not going to stop until no child dies from cancer.

00:03:51   Every child deserves a chance to live their best life and celebrate everything every

00:03:55   moment.

00:03:56   And that's what this campaign is all about.

00:03:59   Mike, we've got some stuff scheduled for September and the end of the month.

00:04:02   What do we have going on?

00:04:04   Well one of the big things is not in September.

00:04:07   It's in new September, extended September, which is Friday, October second, uh, which is

00:04:12   the podcast a thon for Saint Jude.

00:04:15   Uh it is gonna be Friday, October second from twelve PM Eastern to twelve

00:04:18   A.

00:04:19   M.

00:04:19   Eastern on the Relay YouTube channel.

00:04:21   We're all gonna be getting together.

00:04:22   We've got an incredible theme this year.

00:04:24   Loads of tons of stuff going on.

00:04:25   We're gonna be hanging out for twelve hours and we're gonna be live streaming

00:04:28   from the campus at Saint Jude.

00:04:30   We will be closing out the fundraiser this year.

00:04:32   Uh we're gonna be having a ton of fun playing a bunch of games

00:04:35   and generally being foolish uh for helping raise money uh for Saint Jude.

00:04:40   Sorry, it's gonna be awesome.

00:04:42   Be sure to check it out.

00:04:44   So please join us, go to Saint Jude.org/slash relay and you can donate.

00:04:49   You can also set up a community fundraiser and raise money amongst your sphere

00:04:54   of influence and you get access to a bunch of cool incentives if you

00:04:57   do that.

00:04:58   You can also make a gift through a donor-advised fund and there's information on

00:05:02   the page about employer matching.

00:05:04   A lot of companies will match what you donate.

00:05:06   And there's directions there about how to go about that.

00:05:09   Um, it's great way to make your donation go further.

00:05:13   So go to Saintju.org slash relay and check it out.

00:05:16   And from the bottom of our hearts, thank you.

00:05:21   Should we do the thing?

00:05:23   We should do the thing.

00:05:24   That's time.

00:05:24   Some people are here for whether they like it or not.

00:05:27   People are here for the thing.

00:05:29   Some people are here begrudgingly for it.

00:05:31   Um but but by and large they are here for it.

00:05:34   The thing is me reading a document.

00:05:36   Mm-hmm.

00:05:36   The Rickies is a game that connected hosts play before Apple keynotes and at

00:05:40   the beginning of a new year to predict future events.

00:05:43   It's made up of three rounds.

00:05:45   Each host makes two regular picks, followed by a risky pick.

00:05:50   The Rickies, by design, values winning.

00:05:53   Winners only shall advance.

00:05:55   Gotta be good.

00:05:56   GUD.

00:05:57   Good.

00:05:59   There are two types of rookies.

00:06:00   Today we are scoring our keynote Rikis.

00:06:03   The winner is named the keynote chairman.

00:06:05   That's current Federico.

00:06:07   And this position is up for grabs today because we're scoring again.

00:06:11   Hosts are introduced at the top of each episode according to our current titles.

00:06:15   If you hold both positions, so keynote and annual, you're Ricky Benchman.

00:06:19   And after the Rickies, we're going to play a game called the Flexies.

00:06:22   The two games are separate, but they are related.

00:06:25   Please stand for the reading of the rules.

00:06:35   Each host gets to make two regular picks by default.

00:06:39   Correct regular picks are awarded one point.

00:06:42   The language used for regular picks must be finalized and agreed upon during recording.

00:06:47   If a host loses first place via a coin flip, they earn a bonus

00:06:52   pick for the next rookies.

00:06:55   All bonus regular picks are worth half a point.

00:06:58   And we're cashing in a bunch of those today, because this is a new

00:07:02   rule.

00:07:03   Ricky picks have a more complex scoring system.

00:07:06   Each host must make a pick with three supporting details.

00:07:10   If you get all three details correct, you earn two points.

00:07:13   Two details correct earn you one point.

00:07:16   One detail correct, you earn zero points.

00:07:18   And if you get three details wrong, all of them wrong, you lose a

00:07:22   point.

00:07:23   And points are only awarded based on the details, not the overall pick.

00:07:28   Picks made for keynote rookies cannot be re-reused by the host who made them

00:07:32   for the next keynote.

00:07:33   All hosts are allowed to reuse picks previously made by others.

00:07:38   For keynote rookies, the scoring window starts when the livestream begins and closes when

00:07:42   the picks are scored, which is right now.

00:07:44   Any information used in scoring must be publicly verifiable at the time of recording.

00:07:50   Scoring is completed during recording and cannot be modified once an episode is complete.

00:07:55   And the event of a tie, diced by PCalc, must be used in relay

00:07:58   mode to pick a winner.

00:08:00   In the case of a three way tie, Hosts all make their calls at

00:08:04   the same time, with flipping continuing until the winner is named.

00:08:07   Jason Snell previously had a lifetime ban on flipping any coins in relation to

00:08:12   the Rickies.

00:08:13   However, he attended and graduated CoinFlip University during the 2024 podcaston, so now he

00:08:18   can flip a coin, albeit under direct supervision.

00:08:23   The order of picks is set by previous performance.

00:08:25   The winner of the previous associated game goes first, the previous loser goes last.

00:08:30   Winners will be close will be recognized during the closing ceremonies.

00:08:34   Past results can be seen at rickys.co and rikies.net.

00:08:38   These sites also have pages about managing your own scorekeeping in your personal home.

00:08:43   You may be seated.

00:08:47   Could we create some kind of like personal scorekeeping hub?

00:08:51   I I guess they are the personal school keeping hubs, right?

00:08:54   Uh yeah.

00:08:55   I mean I think if you have a room in your house you want

00:08:57   to dedicate to it, that could be your hub.

00:08:59   Yeah.

00:09:00   Mm-hmm.

00:09:00   Mm-hmm.

00:09:01   Uh maybe a a mantle over your bed.

00:09:05   Lots of good things.

00:09:07   Would you have a little bit of an issue in the rules that we're

00:09:09   gonna need to deal with next time that I discovered only while reading.

00:09:13   Okay.

00:09:14   But we will deal with that next time.

00:09:17   Don't just be like there's an issue and then just don't share it.

00:09:20   What's the issue?

00:09:21   If If a host loses first place via coin flip, they earn a bonus

00:09:25   regular pick in the next Rickies.

00:09:27   Yeah.

00:09:28   That reads like you have to use it the next time.

00:09:31   But the way we're operating right now is that you can use it whenever

00:09:34   you want within the year.

00:09:36   Oh, different.

00:09:36   They're different types of bonus picks, man.

00:09:39   Coin flip happens next time.

00:09:41   Other ones, choose them.

00:09:43   Seems easy.

00:09:44   Hmm.

00:09:46   But how do you earn those other bonus picks?

00:09:49   You know how.

00:09:50   Do I know how?

00:09:51   Yeah.

00:09:52   It's by having gotten things right in the annual.

00:09:54   You just read it.

00:09:55   Did I?

00:09:56   I don't Oh yeah, I did.

00:09:59   Okay, never mind.

00:09:59   Maybe I skipped that paragraph when I read it.

00:10:01   Yeah, I think here's the problem, Steven.

00:10:03   You, me and all the listeners, no one's listening to the part where you

00:10:06   read the rules anymore.

00:10:07   That's why it's its own chapter.

00:10:09   So people can skip it.

00:10:10   Exactly.

00:10:11   Like it we just read it last week.

00:10:12   No one's listening now.

00:10:14   It's true.

00:10:15   For a while I I w when I was editing the show, I would

00:10:18   reuse the chapter.

00:10:20   Just like I would just copy it out of last week's and put it

00:10:22   in.

00:10:23   Well sure.

00:10:23   Yeah, yeah.

00:10:24   But anyways, now we can start

00:10:27   round one.

00:10:28   Okay.

00:10:30   I guess I'm up.

00:10:31   You are.

00:10:33   I said the new foldable iPhone does not have face ID.

00:10:39   Correct.

00:10:40   Yeah, it's um it's touch ID and Apple Watch Unlock, which I am really

00:10:46   curious about.

00:10:47   Because like my first reaction was, Oh yeah, it's gonna be touch ID, inconvenient.

00:10:52   Sure, they showed off like the placement of the thumb and they thought about

00:10:55   it and it should be fine.

00:10:57   But still, over the past nine years we've gotten used to having face ID,

00:11:02   which is just so convenient, right?

00:11:03   Compared to touch ID.

00:11:05   But then in the press release they mentioned and also I think in the

00:11:08   video they said, Oh, you can also unlock it with your Apple Watch.

00:11:12   Now if that's

00:11:15   and good enough, I probably like, is that actually gonna be better than face

00:11:21   ID even?

00:11:22   No.

00:11:23   No, right?

00:11:24   Because there's latency.

00:11:25   Well, and also I I mentioned this before.

00:11:28   I've turned this back on again because I wanted to get the experience of

00:11:32   it again.

00:11:33   It

00:11:34   unless they've changed it.

00:11:36   On the on the m on the Mac, you mean?

00:11:38   No, on my f on my iPhone.

00:11:39   You can do it on the iPhone.

00:11:41   Yeah, they added this was a COVID thing.

00:11:43   They added this to deal this is one of the ways they did Mars

00:11:46   Mac first time.

00:11:48   So I turned it back on again because I was I wanted to just

00:11:51   get a feeling for how often it happens to me.

00:11:53   Because it does, right?

00:11:54   Like your uh face ID fails or whatever and then and it tries to

00:11:58   unlock.

00:11:59   Now the thing with the with with the face ID phones is the watch

00:12:03   unlock only ever occurs after a failed face ID, right?

00:12:06   Like it i it can't find your face for whatever reason, so it will

00:12:10   trigger.

00:12:11   Now, if that's the case with the touch ID, it's like it's not an

00:12:14   elegant experience because it takes time to happen.

00:12:17   It's not like a media.

00:12:18   Now they may have kind of re

00:12:22   like organized the authentication method here that makes it faster, right?

00:12:27   Because they're calling it out specifically.

00:12:28   So maybe the iPhone Duo calls out to your watch more frequently and quicker

00:12:34   as a way to to unlock.

00:12:36   But at least with the current iPhones, like the seventeen Pro, like it is

00:12:41   not a elegant experience for the Apple Watch unlock because the better one is

00:12:46   Face ID.

00:12:46   So I we'll see how beneficial that is or not, but I guarantee you

00:12:52   it's not gonna be as seamless as you want it to be no matter

00:12:54   what happens.

00:12:55   'Cause what you want is face ID and this ain't that.

00:12:57   Yeah.

00:12:58   Yeah.

00:12:59   I I'm realizing now that I have a problem with all of these COVID

00:13:03   features.

00:13:04   I have completely forgotten about them.

00:13:06   Like there's a It was a weird time.

00:13:08   That was a strange time.

00:13:09   Yeah.

00:13:10   There was a lot of weird stuff in technology going on.

00:13:12   Like someone remind I was watching a listening to or watching a podcast recently

00:13:16   and they they referenced the contact tracing thing.

00:13:18   Yes.

00:13:18   I had this moment a couple of weeks ago myself.

00:13:21   Which that wasn't what they called was that what they called it at first

00:13:23   contact tracing?

00:13:24   Exposure notifications.

00:13:26   Exposure notifications.

00:13:27   No, I think exposure notifications is what it ended up being called because contact

00:13:30   tracing made people think that everyone was being spied on.

00:13:35   And it I somebody made this in reference to the idea of like Apple

00:13:39   in the EU, I think.

00:13:41   Because like I I think this was a time when like Apple tried to

00:13:45   do this thing in collaboration with Google and governments got annoyed at them.

00:13:50   But they were like, hey, we're just trying to do this thing, and it

00:13:53   ended up being like a whole big mess.

00:13:55   So there you go.

00:14:01   Okay.

00:14:02   Can we just take a quick pause for one minute because there's an alarm

00:14:04   going on in the hallway?

00:14:06   Oh.

00:14:06   And I want to go turn it off.

00:14:07   It's fine.

00:14:08   It's just someone's left a door open and it's it will probably go on

00:14:11   for the entire show if I don't know.

00:14:12   Yeah, that's what you think.

00:14:14   We'll just we're just gonna hang out here.

00:14:15   That's true.

00:14:15   Maybe there's an alien.

00:14:17   Yeah.

00:14:18   Federico, did you say anything about left handed use?

00:14:21   Nope.

00:14:22   Nothing.

00:14:23   It's weird, right?

00:14:24   Nothing.

00:14:25   The only thing that gives me hope is that iOS does have support for

00:14:29   flipping the UI.

00:14:31   For example, when you use an Arabic language, I think.

00:14:34   Um, they can shift to not just the text, but the entire iOS interface

00:14:39   from Um like in the opposite direction.

00:14:41   Yeah.

00:14:42   And um so in theory,

00:14:46   it should be possible.

00:14:48   Uh I don't know if if they've done it in time for the duo.

00:14:51   That's

00:14:53   right.

00:14:53   We're talking about left handed people not being able to buy this phone.

00:14:57   I still don't think that maybe this is the problem people think it's gonna

00:15:00   be of anyway.

00:15:06   Are we in the show?

00:15:06   Yeah.

00:15:07   No, we're just here.

00:15:08   We'd never stop.

00:15:09   So like me leaving was not like a moment that everybody stops for a

00:15:12   second.

00:15:12   No, we start we were talking about left handed iPhone duo usage.

00:15:16   Okay.

00:15:17   Okay.

00:15:17   That's a very strange way to produce a podcast.

00:15:20   That's like I'm like, all right, can you remind tell me what happened?

00:15:25   Fair enough.

00:15:26   That's what we're doing.

00:15:26   All right, my round one pick.

00:15:29   The foldable is called the iPhone Ultra.

00:15:33   There's been some discussion this week about what a future folding iPhone would be

00:15:37   named.

00:15:38   I'm putting a flag in the ground here, today, on September second, twenty twenty

00:15:43   five.

00:15:45   Bold, the iPhone Ultra, period.

00:15:48   That is a very confident man.

00:15:50   His name is Stephen Hackett, and he wrote this blog post on his website

00:15:54   five hundred and twelve pixels

00:15:57   on September the second, twenty twenty five.

00:16:00   Why with a friend?

00:16:00   French accent.

00:16:02   Oh yes, yes.

00:16:04   Olympic cells.

00:16:05   I thought I would I thought I'd fancy it up a little bit.

00:16:08   Stephen, how are you feeling?

00:16:09   That's very good.

00:16:09   You were so confident, man.

00:16:11   I never wrote that.

00:16:11   That's Oh did you not?

00:16:13   I mean I've got it right here.

00:16:14   In fact you you updated it yesterday, so That's not true.

00:16:18   Oh, okay.

00:16:18   Uh would you would you also would you also read uh what a certain

00:16:23   uh someone on this program said in January twenty twenty six?

00:16:27   Yeah.

00:16:27   Where would I find that?

00:16:28   It's further down in the document.

00:16:30   Um is it?

00:16:34   His first detail of his Ricky for the annual

00:16:37   is called the

00:16:39   duo.

00:16:40   And you guys tried to make me change my mind so much.

00:16:45   Did I?

00:16:46   Y well one of you did.

00:16:48   Probably still.

00:16:49   When?

00:16:50   When was this?

00:16:51   I feel like you've created you've created this situation.

00:16:54   This was in January and I had to fight, you know, for it.

00:16:59   Yes, yeah.

00:16:59   Wait, so hang on a minute.

00:17:01   In my mind.

00:17:02   You're you're suggesting in the pick that you made, we tried to convince you

00:17:05   of something we thought was wrong.

00:17:07   Yeah.

00:17:07   Yes, yes.

00:17:08   I'm sure.

00:17:09   I'm sure you did.

00:17:10   At least in my mind that's how it went.

00:17:13   Um

00:17:14   But no, uh I mean obviously Steven it's not called the Ultra.

00:17:17   It's not.

00:17:18   Um.

00:17:20   And I'm just honestly like I mean beyond the the you know, the contest

00:17:25   and the points, we'll get to that next year.

00:17:29   I'm just kind of amazed that I pulled that name out of nowhere.

00:17:34   Six months.

00:17:34   No, nine months ago.

00:17:36   We're in September.

00:17:37   Um very happy with myself, actually.

00:17:41   Um, I don't know.

00:17:43   It's a great name.

00:17:43   Uh, you know, for all the reasons that I said nine months ago, it's

00:17:48   three letters it's short, it conveys the idea, it's two things in one.

00:17:52   Um obviously in hindsight it goes well with Neo, you know, ne got Neo,

00:17:58   Duo, you know, it's got a whole Sort of naming style thing going on.

00:18:04   And um

00:18:06   I think it's a lovely name.

00:18:08   It is a good name.

00:18:09   It's great name.

00:18:10   I agree, it's a great name.

00:18:12   A good name.

00:18:15   Mike.

00:18:15   Mike.

00:18:17   I'm looking I'm currently looking through the transcript of that episode.

00:18:21   Mm-hmm.

00:18:21   Um and I've just I wanna play maybe from here.

00:18:24   Can I do that?

00:18:25   Yeah, let's see.

00:18:25   'Cause basically there's been a lot of back and forth, right?

00:18:28   There's conversation about other products.

00:18:30   PowerBook Duo, uh MagSafe duo, Mac mini core duo.

00:18:35   These are all coming up in the transcript.

00:18:37   And it's come around to somebody says, Federico, good pull, I've come around to

00:18:42   this now.

00:18:43   And I just want to see who this is, because whoever this is, Federico,

00:18:46   this is the person that truly uh backs you.

00:18:49   So should we see who that was?

00:18:51   I think I think it's you, Mike.

00:18:52   I don't know.

00:18:58   Yeah.

00:18:59   Yeah, it's me, man.

00:19:00   So Federic Albos always on your side.

00:19:02   Steven's doing ultra over there.

00:19:04   Who knows what he's doing?

00:19:05   Thank you, Mike.

00:19:06   Thank you, Mike.

00:19:07   Appreciate it.

00:19:08   But but just think how sick it would have been if I was right.

00:19:11   No, because it wasn't that unique.

00:19:14   So many people were calling it Ultra.

00:19:18   You know?

00:19:18   I I think even back then, like in in January, uh maybe if you

00:19:23   would have said it in January, that might have been like Pretty cool.

00:19:28   Maybe.

00:19:29   Like January of twenty five?

00:19:31   Yeah, because when w when did you write this article?

00:19:34   September of twenty five.

00:19:34   September of twenty five.

00:19:36   Oh, I mean, yeah, January of twenty five.

00:19:38   That would have been pretty, soon.

00:19:40   That was going back some way, huh?

00:19:42   What if I'd yeah.

00:19:42   What if I'd written it in twenty seventeen?

00:19:45   I mean, look, if in twenty seventeen you had even called you said Apple

00:19:49   will make it a folding iPhone, it's called the iPhone Ultra, I would be

00:19:53   very impressed even though it wasn't true.

00:19:56   Maybe use your time travel powers for good, you know, not just I'm just

00:20:00   happy that they didn't.

00:20:02   I would have been so insufferable if they would have called it the ultra

00:20:05   that I think we've All one really, like 'cause nobody has to hear me

00:20:08   complain.

00:20:09   You were being a cry baby about it.

00:20:10   I was gonna really complain about it because I would have been very upset.

00:20:14   Um but at least the phone has mag saved, so I don't have to

00:20:17   complain about that.

00:20:18   Yeah my first round pick is John Tonus introduces the folding iPhone by saying

00:20:22   we have one more thing.

00:20:24   He was so excited, right?

00:20:25   He was just like, oh and he did it on the Steve Jobs stage

00:20:28   too.

00:20:28   Pretty nice.

00:20:29   Pretty nice.

00:20:29   Super cool.

00:20:30   Super cool.

00:20:33   We talked a lot more about John Turnus in the pro show.

00:20:36   If you're a member, you can listen to that or you can become a

00:20:38   member and listen to it.

00:20:40   It's just seven bucks a month.

00:20:41   But uh he did a really good job, and I think Apple did a

00:20:45   good job in here with like the right nods to legacy and customs and

00:20:49   that sort of thing.

00:20:50   Yeah.

00:20:51   Yeah.

00:20:52   I think it was very well handled.

00:20:54   Without it f it didn't feel cringy or corny, like it felt authentic.

00:20:59   The product

00:21:00   was warranting.

00:21:03   Like it warranted it.

00:21:04   Mm-hmm.

00:21:05   Right?

00:21:05   Like sure.

00:21:06   I think I I don't remember what it was now, but like I know

00:21:08   Tim Cook did one once and it was like, What are you doing?

00:21:11   Oh, Apple Music.

00:21:12   We spoke about it, right?

00:21:13   Apple Music was a one more thing.

00:21:14   The worst one more thing.

00:21:15   And and then Drake came out.

00:21:17   Wasn't wasn't that the moment?

00:21:19   Yeah, it was like an hour long.

00:21:20   Remember?

00:21:21   And then Drake came out on stage with an apple jacket.

00:21:23   That's right.

00:21:24   Yeah.

00:21:24   Nanny Q uh kissed the sky.

00:21:27   Yes.

00:21:28   Yeah.

00:21:28   No time for keynote.

00:21:30   What a time.

00:21:31   Different keynote.

00:21:32   This is the one Eddy Q danced in at the laptop.

00:21:35   Yes.

00:21:36   They were really filling for time in that keynote.

00:21:38   He blew the kiss to the dead Steve Jobs the first time they were

00:21:42   on the Steve Jobs.

00:21:43   Theater.

00:21:43   I will never forget it.

00:21:44   Oh really?

00:21:45   It wasn't it wasn't oh good okay.

00:21:47   Yeah.

00:21:48   Okay, cool.

00:21:48   Which would have been the iPhone ten event.

00:21:50   That does make more sense because it really holding on it's many years later

00:21:56   and he's still like Yeah, okay.

00:21:58   Good good one.

00:21:59   Yep.

00:21:59   Okay, at the end of round one, Federico has one point, Mike has one

00:22:04   point, and I have zero points.

00:22:06   Mm-hmm.

00:22:07   Round two.

00:22:09   Okay, round two.

00:22:10   Uh there is no telephoto camera in the foldable.

00:22:15   Yeah.

00:22:16   Yep.

00:22:16   Main camera and ultra-wide.

00:22:18   Ultra wide.

00:22:19   It's uh I read today that it's basically the same camera uh as the

00:22:23   seventeen E, which uh you know

00:22:27   it's fine.

00:22:28   I mean, I know that I will suffer.

00:22:29   I know that I hey maybe I will become one of those people with

00:22:33   with two iPhones and use the the iPhone handoff feature if my carrier supports

00:22:38   it in Italy.

00:22:39   Good luck.

00:22:40   What what do you what do you mean the same camera as the seventeen

00:22:43   E?

00:22:43   Isn't it the same camera?

00:22:45   Uh where did I see this?

00:22:46   Hold on.

00:22:47   Uh what's it called?

00:22:48   iPhone Duo Mac rumors maybe iPhone Duo, same camera as

00:22:55   seventeen E.

00:22:57   iPhone two hours ago.

00:22:58   iPhone Duo as similar main camera to seventeen.

00:23:02   E.

00:23:03   According to Apple's text page,

00:23:06   well, so it's not a match, but it's pretty similar.

00:23:09   Not even to the seventeen?

00:23:11   No, the seventeen E.

00:23:13   Seventeen Centini.

00:23:14   Centini.

00:23:17   Mm mm.

00:23:17   Yeah.

00:23:19   Yeah.

00:23:20   It's uh, you know, numbers, whatever it means.

00:23:23   Like stop one point six, you know, twenty-six Twenty six millimeters.

00:23:33   But this whole thing with the numbers in the camera has gotten out of

00:23:36   hand.

00:23:37   Yeah.

00:23:37   Right.

00:23:38   I mean, yeah, I understand why.

00:23:40   If you know what it means, more power to you, you you must love

00:23:44   these numbers.

00:23:45   Um to me, this is the same problem.

00:23:50   I th so let me let me just say this.

00:23:53   They should make a consumer version of this that it's like good, better, best.

00:23:58   Like use simple terms, simple words, icons, I don't know, symbols, whatever to indicate

00:24:06   like I don't wanna read like a bunch of algebra if I wanna take

00:24:10   a good picture with my iPhone, you know, because I don't know whatever this

00:24:14   means.

00:24:15   Obviously, I wanna take great photos, but I'm not a photographer.

00:24:19   It reminds me of the problem that companies like OpenAI have, for example.

00:24:23   When they need to show you all these settings, all these configuration flags.

00:24:28   And I think that they are landing in a pretty good spot.

00:24:31   Like if you are a power user, like I can open codecs in my

00:24:35   terminal and I can, you know, I can understand all the terminology.

00:24:38   I can understand all the options.

00:24:40   In Chat GPT, for regular people, they simplify it.

00:24:44   It's the same technology, but it's presented in a consumer-friendly way.

00:24:49   This the camera It it's getting out of hand for regular people.

00:24:54   Like you show you show somebody.

00:24:56   Yeah, but I think you just made the example though, right?

00:24:59   That like what uh the things that open AI show, I don't

00:25:04   Exactly.

00:25:04   Right.

00:25:05   But that's but that's what I mean.

00:25:06   I uh but like in the same way that y there are camera professionals

00:25:09   that understand what they're saying, but Yes, but Apple is only is only designing

00:25:13   for them.

00:25:14   That's my problem.

00:25:15   Like you open the camera app and it's like it's a bunch of numbers,

00:25:18   a bunch of symbols.

00:25:19   Like I I have no idea what that weird F stands for.

00:25:23   Yeah.

00:25:23   I mean, it I had a similar thing where they were showing the example

00:25:27   photos and and it's like, Look how good this one is because of this

00:25:30   and I'm like, Yes, sure.

00:25:33   Yes.

00:25:34   It does look like a great photo, but like I don't know why it's

00:25:37   a good photo.

00:25:38   But I also accept though that that part's not for me.

00:25:41   It's just not for me.

00:25:42   I cannot believe that I'm saying this, but Bear with me, like they should

00:25:45   put like you know how in Chat GPT or in Cloud whatever the you

00:25:49   have like the reasoning slider

00:25:52   and it's like like light, medium, smart, uh extra intelligent.

00:25:58   Well something like that.

00:26:00   No the way to show it.

00:26:01   It's it's a photo.

00:26:02   Just show what it would be with a different set set of settings.

00:26:06   That UI gets out of hand in a hurry.

00:26:08   No, no, no.

00:26:09   Like no a UI.

00:26:10   Not a UI.

00:26:11   Like show me in the keynote this is what the image is with this

00:26:14   and this is what the image is now because of we've added this and

00:26:17   that.

00:26:17   Maybe look look it look, it's a tough problem because because like I understand

00:26:22   why you're doing this.

00:26:23   You want to show that the iPhone can be a serious camera.

00:26:26   And you need to you need to prove your worth to professionals who know

00:26:32   if you are a fraud or not, right?

00:26:35   And so you need to speak their language.

00:26:38   But there is also the realistic situation, which is that this video and this

00:26:44   product is not for camera professionals, right?

00:26:47   Like it is actually for everyone, but they spend a lot of time with

00:26:51   this camera jargon.

00:26:52   Which is hard to follow.

00:26:54   And it's yes.

00:26:55   I mean it's not actually a professional camera.

00:26:57   It's just a camera that professionals can use.

00:26:59   Yes.

00:27:00   Is it necessary that when I tap on the one X and two X

00:27:05   buttons on my phone?

00:27:06   Actually, no, just the one X.

00:27:08   I see twenty-four millimeters, twenty-eight millimeters, th thirty five millimeters.

00:27:12   Like what's well but at least when you do that though, you see something

00:27:15   happening.

00:27:16   Like that's the benefit there.

00:27:17   So it's like it doesn't really matter what the label is, if you get

00:27:20   an indication of what it's doing.

00:27:22   You see that it is doing like minimal zooms in each of those kind

00:27:25   of uh uh uh uh things.

00:27:28   If it just gave you like a drop down, right?

00:27:31   It's like just choose one of these.

00:27:32   So that would be a nightmare UI, I think.

00:27:34   But like at least that is it's why it's like in the phone itself,

00:27:38   when you use these things, it is more understandable if you can see that

00:27:43   something is occurring.

00:27:44   I think it becomes difficult in the keynote when they're like throwing these numbers

00:27:48   at you and they have these like info boxes on the right hand side,

00:27:51   right?

00:27:52   Which give a bunch of readouts.

00:27:53   And it's like I I can't really do anything with this information.

00:27:58   There are people that absolutely are excited about it, but like this this part

00:28:03   of the marketing story I think gets really lost.

00:28:07   But there is also a scenario where it's like well, that is the exact

00:28:10   point that they like they they don't want to give you comparisons because like

00:28:15   how different is it?

00:28:16   Can the regular person even see the difference anyway?

00:28:19   Like and that's probably how they end up in this point.

00:28:21   So I mean twenty seven does add the control customization, but I agree with

00:28:27   you, most people don't know what those controls do.

00:28:29   Yeah it's like great, give me the controls, but like I don't know how

00:28:32   to use them.

00:28:33   Like I I don't know what they're what they do.

00:28:35   What if in the camera app a little character came out, like maybe shaped

00:28:39   like a paper clip so you could see through him.

00:28:42   It's like, Hey, it looks like you're trying to take a macro photo.

00:28:46   Let's do this.

00:28:48   Just don't Apple you can have that one for free.

00:28:51   Should vibe code it.

00:28:53   Make your own camera app.

00:28:55   Could be camera.

00:28:57   Uh number two, round two, my pick.

00:29:01   The Apple Watch series twelve includes a ceramic option.

00:29:05   Yeah, baby.

00:29:06   I'm the board.

00:29:07   I got it immediately.

00:29:09   Let's go.

00:29:10   What color?

00:29:11   White, obviously.

00:29:13   But it's not white.

00:29:14   Yes it is.

00:29:15   What is it?

00:29:15   What is it?

00:29:16   It's like creamy Yeah off white.

00:29:19   Steven, yeah there is a whole spectrum of white.

00:29:22   Like you've painted houses before.

00:29:24   Like you know.

00:29:25   White is not white.

00:29:26   There's like a thousand white very fascinating comment coming from you, Stephen, of all

00:29:31   people.

00:29:31   With all the computers that you've collected over the years, you know that there's

00:29:35   so many.

00:29:39   I just I I wanted to love it and I I want to see

00:29:42   it in person.

00:29:42   I really do.

00:29:44   Maybe in person I'll fall in love with it.

00:29:46   But the the other color, like the blue navy, it is not for me,

00:29:51   but I like the way that it looks.

00:29:53   I think See, I never would have thought you would have wanted the white

00:29:56   one.

00:29:57   Oh man, back in the day, back when I was young and cool, stainless

00:30:02   steel apple watch white band.

00:30:03   That was my look for years.

00:30:05   Yeah, but yeah, but I'm talking about a white Apple Watch not a white

00:30:10   band.

00:30:10   Yeah, but I just but it's, you know, maximum I it's something and it's

00:30:15   something different, right?

00:30:16   Like I usually bounce between iPhone colors so it feels new, right?

00:30:22   I'm just trying to feel something.

00:30:24   Yeah.

00:30:25   Yeah, no, I got it.

00:30:26   Federico, are you aware of the little there's a little uh there is actually

00:30:30   a a I don't know why they're doing it this way, but there is

00:30:33   a cus there is an option you're supposed to choose, but they don't make

00:30:37   it clear with the band choice.

00:30:41   Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:30:44   Did you see his text message that he had to step away for a

00:30:46   second?

00:30:47   No, obviously not.

00:30:48   Okay, now it's me and you now it's our turn to do it.

00:30:51   No.

00:30:51   Yes.

00:30:52   I hate this.

00:30:52   This is not a good way to make a podcast.

00:30:54   You just keep look letting people leave and the conversations carry on.

00:30:58   That's how the real world is, man.

00:30:59   You're talking to somebody at a party and then you sort of float over

00:31:02   and talk to somebody else.

00:31:03   Listeners, I apologize 'cause I've asked this question and then in a minute when

00:31:07   Federico returns, we're gonna ask it again.

00:31:08   So you just

00:31:10   Federico, there is a choice that you're supposed to make with the with the

00:31:14   Apple Watch.

00:31:16   Ceramic.

00:31:16   Do you know what this choice is and did you make it?

00:31:20   I think I know what you mean.

00:31:21   Mm-hmm.

00:31:22   You're supposed to get a specific watch band so that you get the ceramic

00:31:26   pin.

00:31:26   Yeah.

00:31:27   Did you I don't

00:31:30   I don't know.

00:31:31   So the sand sport band has a ceramic piece.

00:31:36   I got it.

00:31:37   That's what I got.

00:31:38   Yeah me too.

00:31:39   I I didn't know and I found out during upgrade.

00:31:42   But it's like this was the obvious choice for me because what I wanted

00:31:44   was to emulate the old one where it came with the white sport band

00:31:48   with the ceramic pin.

00:31:49   I think I did right.

00:31:51   Hold on, hold on.

00:31:52   Uh this is the one to go for if you're gonna go for sports.

00:31:55   Apple store.

00:31:57   Sport band send, yes.

00:32:01   Yes.

00:32:02   Yeah, okay.

00:32:03   It was obviously the best one.

00:32:04   It is, yeah.

00:32:05   It's it's the best choice.

00:32:06   I I'm looking forward to going to the Apple store to look at other

00:32:10   bands 'Cause like I'm not really a sport band wearer anymore, so I want

00:32:13   to look at some other stuff that they've got and see what else works

00:32:15   with it.

00:32:16   But like I this was the band that I had to get if I

00:32:19   was gonna gonna get this one.

00:32:21   The uh mini skews of the ceramic have been pushed out to October now.

00:32:28   And I even if I wanted one, which I I I want to see

00:32:31   it, but uh I can't have it for pickup at my Apple store.

00:32:37   The closest Apple store that it will let me pick up and store at

00:32:42   all is like three hours away.

00:32:44   Maybe it saved you them.

00:32:45   Maybe maybe maybe it did.

00:32:47   Um I did buy Mary a watch, but the aluminum one.

00:32:52   Which I'm actually excited about.

00:32:53   She likes just like the silver aluminum, like the the simple look.

00:32:56   But she always gouges the screens in hers.

00:33:00   And right now is like a huge I I d I cannot believe the

00:33:03   screen's not broken.

00:33:05   She's tough on stuff.

00:33:06   I mean she's, you know she's a teacher.

00:33:09   She works out.

00:33:09   She does all these things.

00:33:11   Okay.

00:33:11   Uh anyway, so I haven't told her, but I got her a series twelve.

00:33:15   Cause the aluminum now has the ceramic shield two on the front.

00:33:17   So I think it'll hold up much better for her.

00:33:20   Which is a great addition to the aluminum because for forever, if you wanted

00:33:24   the aluminum due to price or weight, because it's way lighter than the others,

00:33:28   you were stuck with the ion glass, which wasn't as robust.

00:33:32   And now you kind of get the best of everything.

00:33:34   If the aluminum, checks the boxes for you.

00:33:40   Mike.

00:33:41   Is it my turn?

00:33:42   Yeah.

00:33:43   At least one iPhone has a variable aperture camera.

00:33:46   So there was some late rumors that this was only gonna come to the

00:33:50   pro phone, uh, but it's actually the Pro Max, I should say, but it's

00:33:54   it's on both.

00:33:55   And so I mean trusted to see.

00:33:58   Like this is one of these things where like I keep trying to understand

00:34:01   what variable aperture would do and every time I learn it, I say it

00:34:06   and then someone corrects me.

00:34:08   Um, and so I'll just wait I'll just wait and see uh what it's

00:34:15   all about.

00:34:15   But I'm hoping that it will just provide me with better photos um which

00:34:21   is a problem, right?

00:34:23   Like if the the Pro Max provides better photos, just makes the the duo

00:34:28   more complicated as a as a device to try and make the one that

00:34:32   you want in your life.

00:34:33   Um, but I'm also in like really infused by the battery life claims, right?

00:34:39   That the iPhone I don't think we haven't got this anywhere in the pics,

00:34:42   right?

00:34:43   I could just say this now.

00:34:43   I don't think anyone spoke about battery life.

00:34:45   That the eighteen pro has as good a battery as the seventeen pro Max.

00:34:51   That is awesome.

00:34:53   Like super good.

00:34:55   So yeah, uh colors.

00:34:57   Should we talk about the colors now?

00:34:59   Of the oh no, that's coming up.

00:35:01   That's coming up.

00:35:02   I do have some real time I do some real time follow-up just to

00:35:04   save myself.

00:35:05   Zoe points out the titanium and ceramics still have the sapphire crystal, so it

00:35:10   is different glass still, but the aluminums is much better than it was.

00:35:14   That's trying to get to.

00:35:17   I apologize.

00:35:21   Variable aperture.

00:35:22   The aperture varies.

00:35:22   So

00:35:24   I think.

00:35:24   It was it was a good program.

00:35:26   Okay.

00:35:26   I like that there's just like a little moving thing inside of the I

00:35:29   think that's fun.

00:35:30   Like there's just there's just some stuff going on in the camera, like it's

00:35:33   moving around.

00:35:34   I feel like that's interesting.

00:35:35   Can't um I can't wait for the eye fix it tear down of that

00:35:39   and like see those little things move around Yeah.

00:35:42   Gonna be awesome.

00:35:43   It's cool.

00:35:44   Okay.

00:35:45   Um at the end of round two, Federico has two points.

00:35:48   I have one point.

00:35:50   Mike has two points.

00:35:53   Taking it home.

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00:38:24   All right, guys, we also had access, so to speak, to some bonus picks.

00:38:30   Um

00:38:32   let's count them up.

00:38:33   So Steven and I we had two bonus picks each mic had one.

00:38:39   Yeah.

00:38:40   Um I said we do not see the base model iPhone eighteen.

00:38:46   Yep.

00:38:46   Nowhere to be seen in fact.

00:38:48   Uh but we know how much it's gonna cost.

00:38:51   Yeah, they did that they did the thing that they've been doing for the

00:38:53   past couple of years where doing the keynote they only mentioned the eighteen pro

00:38:57   and at the very end they said you're eighteen pro and eighteen pro max.

00:39:01   I th I remember the first time they did this, they cut like we

00:39:05   were confused confused and and when you're thinking like uh what's happening to the

00:39:08   pro max pro galaxy like no nothing is happening to the pro max they

00:39:13   just m say 18 pro and mention the bigger model at the end yeah

00:39:17   um yeah but yeah so realistically they're saving the eighteen, eighteen E and Air

00:39:22   Two for the spring, which makes sense, you know.

00:39:26   And until then they're all a hundred dollars more.

00:39:28   Yes.

00:39:29   I mean it could have been worse.

00:39:30   Way worse.

00:39:31   I mean sure it's it's a hundred dollars.

00:39:32   And it goes I saw that it goes it go it goes way up.

00:39:35   Like the price hike goes way up the more storage.

00:39:38   But you pay more the more you will get.

00:39:40   Like I saw somewhere if you purchase the two terabyte model, it's like $300

00:39:46   more.

00:39:47   Yeah.

00:39:48   Yeah, so yeah, uh, you know.

00:39:51   Mm-hmm.

00:39:51   But also, hey, if you buy the two terabyte phone, you're a photographer, you're

00:39:57   happy about the aperture and f stops and whatever.

00:40:00   I think look, I think if you were buying a two terabyte iPhone, I

00:40:04   don't think this is if you were already spending that money before,

00:40:09   the fact that it's increased by more, like, I'm just going to assume that

00:40:14   most people can't do it.

00:40:16   Let's assume that if you let's assume that if you regularly buy a two

00:40:19   terabyte iPhone on an annual basis, you you have the disposable income to make

00:40:23   it happen.

00:40:24   Yes.

00:40:24   I think it's a reasonable assumption.

00:40:26   And I think that that's how they've scaled it.

00:40:28   I mean it's it's interesting that both the pro and the regular phone start

00:40:32   at a hundred dollars more, but I think that that is just a sign

00:40:35   of what people are buying.

00:40:37   People are buying one of those instead it's gone up by a hundred.

00:40:40   And I think all things considered $100 is a good price increase.

00:40:45   We're gonna have to have had one.

00:40:46   Mm-hmm.

00:40:47   It's a number that makes sense.

00:40:49   Yeah.

00:40:49   And the watches stayed the same.

00:40:52   Um, and we'll get to to my bonus pick here, but when the prices

00:40:56   were the same they called it out.

00:40:58   Like I noticed several times they were like, and it's the same price as

00:41:00   the previous one.

00:41:01   You know.

00:41:02   Um I don't envy any company dealing with Ramageddon, that's for sure.

00:41:08   No.

00:41:08   Um, so Frederick, are you pick up a half point there.

00:41:11   Yeah.

00:41:12   My first bonus pick, the ceramic Apple Watch Series 12 starts at $7.99, $100

00:41:18   more than the Series 11 titanium.

00:41:21   So a couple of things happened here.

00:41:23   One people reminded us that the first ceramic watch was like many hundreds of

00:41:28   dollars more than the than the it was a series.

00:41:31   And then uh I missed it by a hundred bucks.

00:41:35   So it's two $200 more than the titanium.

00:41:38   It's $8.99 for the 42 millimeter and 949 for the 46 millimeter.

00:41:46   So you can you can spend some money on an Apple Watch.

00:41:48   Um, but I I was a little short of the goal.

00:41:52   I did spend some money on an Apple watch.

00:41:54   Yeah.

00:41:55   Yep.

00:41:55   Yeah.

00:41:56   But I but I really want it and so put my money where my

00:42:01   heart is, and that is a ceramic Apple Watch.

00:42:03   Uh my bonus my singular bonus pick, which I didn't, is the starting price

00:42:09   of the eighteen pro is higher than the seventeen pro.

00:42:13   A hundred bucks.

00:42:15   Yep.

00:42:15   That's higher.

00:42:16   Yeah.

00:42:17   It is.

00:42:18   It is.

00:42:20   I also said there is a new color on the iPhone 18 Pro line.

00:42:25   Yep.

00:42:25   Burgundy.

00:42:27   Fumble of the year, right here.

00:42:29   Why?

00:42:30   How can you go from the 17 pros colours

00:42:34   to these where it's like is that blue?

00:42:37   Who could tell?

00:42:37   And by the way, red, you know, it's like what are we doing?

00:42:41   Like what I don't like it.

00:42:43   I don't like the colors.

00:42:43   They're not good.

00:42:44   They brought the black one in, which is I actually appreciate that.

00:42:47   Like it looks nice if you if I were like that.

00:42:50   If I were buying one, I would do black.

00:42:52   If?

00:42:54   Uh-huh.

00:42:55   I'm not.

00:42:56   If.

00:42:56   But if I were.

00:42:57   You're not buying this phone?

00:42:59   You what you what were you thinking?

00:43:00   What up staying on the action air?

00:43:04   Oh my god.

00:43:05   Okay.

00:43:05   I had no idea how to say burgundy in Italian.

00:43:09   I had to look it up.

00:43:10   How do you say it?

00:43:13   Bourgogna?

00:43:15   Oh hm.

00:43:15   Yeah.

00:43:17   That's a completely different thing.

00:43:18   That's not even class.

00:43:20   Is that how you said wine then?

00:43:22   It's a it's a French region.

00:43:24   Yeah, yeah, it's a place in France.

00:43:26   Yes.

00:43:26   But it's also a wine.

00:43:28   Yeah, the wine the wine region.

00:43:29   But like so if you were drinking that in Italy you would call it

00:43:34   was it Borgogna?

00:43:36   Like Bologna?

00:43:37   V let's say Vino uh Borgogna Vino della Borgogna, yes.

00:43:44   Yeah.

00:43:46   Huh.

00:43:46   Hmm.

00:43:47   Okay.

00:43:47   Oh, and I guess it's red.

00:43:49   Oh, I get it.

00:43:50   Yeah.

00:43:50   Oh, now I get it.

00:43:52   Oh, I get it now.

00:43:53   Federico's like these two completely separate things, you know, it's like they called it

00:43:57   Burgundy and they chose this color.

00:43:58   Like not all thinking they're my own.

00:44:00   How could it be related?

00:44:01   Are you getting it?

00:44:02   This is not disappearing.

00:44:04   By the way, Federico glaciers, they're kinda blue, you know?

00:44:09   No, no, no.

00:44:09   Now I get now I got it.

00:44:10   Now I got it.

00:44:11   Yeah.

00:44:11   Space black, you know.

00:44:13   Silver, obviously.

00:44:15   Uh silver, like the metal

00:44:18   Imagine that.

00:44:19   Imagine that.

00:44:20   Yeah.

00:44:20   The glacier could have been so much more.

00:44:23   So much more.

00:44:24   If they were gonna go with they should have just lent in on the

00:44:27   blue more, like I think.

00:44:30   I I it's weird to me that they went 'cause last year they had

00:44:33   like two colours and they were very saturated colours, right?

00:44:37   So that you like the orange and the blue.

00:44:38   They were very bold colors.

00:44:41   And I just find it a shame that they went very bold again.

00:44:44   I mean

00:44:45   In a color I don't like, which is the problem.

00:44:47   I d I'm I'm not a fan of the burgundy.

00:44:50   And then the blue is just like

00:44:53   it f honestly feels like what they used to do rather than what they

00:44:57   have been like what it felt like they'd started to do so.

00:45:00   Agreed.

00:45:00   I'm just a little bit disappointed.

00:45:01   It it does feel like a bit of a step back.

00:45:04   Yeah.

00:45:06   Okay, my second bonus pick.

00:45:09   The iPhone Air is not updated.

00:45:12   Yep.

00:45:12   We'll see it in the spring, hopefully.

00:45:15   Um

00:45:17   so yeah.

00:45:18   It it it you know, and they didn't say anything about them, right?

00:45:21   They said, Oh, we've updated our whole line.

00:45:22   It's like, well, just the price.

00:45:24   Um, I am curious if we will see this at all in their quarterly

00:45:30   earnings.

00:45:31   I don't think we will.

00:45:32   One, the pro phones sell more on the front end, right?

00:45:36   Because they're the enthusiasts.

00:45:37   And you're selling a two thousand dollar phone, Which will obviously move the the

00:45:44   the earnings more than an A.

00:45:46   Stephen the iPhone Air is not affecting the earnings.

00:45:50   I meant the like the the not updating the mainline phone.

00:45:55   I forgot to do something yesterday, which is look up the Italian prices of

00:46:00   the iPhone Duo.

00:46:02   Oh do it live.

00:46:04   I know it's bad in Australia.

00:46:05   I've seen some complaints.

00:46:07   Is it Um okay, starting with the two fifty-six version, that would be two

00:46:15   thousand three hundred and sixty-nine euros.

00:46:19   Nice.

00:46:20   Then two thousand six hundred and nineteen.

00:46:24   The one terabyte, three thousand one hundred and nineteen, and the two terabyte, this

00:46:31   is just heartbreaking, three thousand eight hundred and sixty-nine Euros.

00:46:38   Ooh.

00:46:39   That is four thousand four hundred and ninety-seven dollars.

00:46:47   Wow.

00:46:48   I think I just got a heart attack.

00:46:50   Oh my god.

00:46:51   That's yeah brutal.

00:46:54   No.

00:46:55   I mean, it's not that different in the UK either.

00:46:58   So the the the two terabyte is three thousand one hundred and ninety nine

00:47:01   pounds, which is four thousand three hundred dollars.

00:47:05   I mean we have sales taxes.

00:47:08   Mike, you could fly to New York and buy this phone for less money.

00:47:12   You are correct.

00:47:13   Yes.

00:47:14   Actually, yes.

00:47:15   Yes.

00:47:16   I could I could I could in fact do that.

00:47:18   Except obviously I pay the customs.

00:47:20   You know what I mean?

00:47:21   I obviously I pay the taxes when I come home.

00:47:24   You just have it in your pocket.

00:47:26   You have it in your pocket.

00:47:26   You don't tell anybody.

00:47:28   No

00:47:30   both times I've been to your country, I've just walked in.

00:47:33   Like no one's checking anything.

00:47:36   Well, you don't need to pay the taxes because you don't live here.

00:47:41   You'll be fine.

00:47:43   Well, I'm not gonna get the two terabyte iPhone duo anyways.

00:47:46   No, no one needs it.

00:47:48   No.

00:47:48   No.

00:47:49   Oh, okay.

00:47:51   Um things have taken a turn in the scoring.

00:47:55   Federico, after the regular picks and bonus picks, has three points.

00:48:01   Mike has

00:48:03   For the first time, two and a half points.

00:48:06   Uh if anything, I am a trailblazer.

00:48:09   You are.

00:48:09   Yeah.

00:48:10   Um, and I'm I'm I'm I'm in the game.

00:48:14   Okay.

00:48:15   1.5 points.

00:48:17   I mean you're in the game just because you can't be eliminated, you know?

00:48:21   Not yet.

00:48:22   That could happen.

00:48:23   Um and I I will I will say I like the half points.

00:48:29   Yeah.

00:48:29   My little system I've used for keeping score within a paper notebook is not

00:48:33   really conducive to half points.

00:48:35   I gotta figure that out, but we're getting there.

00:48:37   Okay.

00:48:38   Okay.

00:48:38   Um If only there were digital scorecards.

00:48:41   If only there was some sort of way to make software.

00:48:44   But But it's literally possible.

00:48:46   Or if there were websites.

00:48:48   Or well, okay, so um I didn't want to say it, but Ricky's dot

00:48:52   co has this wrong.

00:48:53   It actually makes bonus points worth one bonus picks worth one point.

00:48:56   So I can't.

00:48:58   No, it's bonus points around bonus rounds.

00:49:01   No.

00:49:02   That sounds right.

00:49:03   No, it's not.

00:49:04   That sounds right.

00:49:04   Didn't you say they the they are the the the Oh no, it was

00:49:08   I think websites of record, but that was nine to five Mac and Mac

00:49:11   rumors.

00:49:11   That was from a previous uh previous iteration.

00:49:13   Previous thing.

00:49:15   Okay.

00:49:15   We gotta move to risky picks.

00:49:18   As a reminder, you're not scored on the pick, you're scored on the details.

00:49:23   Federico.

00:49:25   Yes.

00:49:26   Drop the beat.

00:49:29   I said Wow, Steven.

00:49:31   Oh I don't know.

00:49:32   Look, it's proud of that or not.

00:49:34   What do you think?

00:49:34   Oh, it's do you think he wishes he didn't say it?

00:49:37   But like now he can't remove it.

00:49:39   You know Did you guys see that there was like a DJ set at

00:49:42   Apple Park yes?

00:49:43   Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:45   Um disclosure of what?

00:49:47   Do you know the DJ?

00:49:50   You cannot undo your previous I am you take money from the DJ?

00:49:54   Is big DJ paying you, Mike?

00:49:57   Can we do something, Mike, about this?

00:49:59   I'm not sure we can because he is recording the call and and stuff

00:50:03   like that.

00:50:03   So there's not really much we can do to get rid of that.

00:50:05   Any anyway big anyway comma.

00:50:09   Guys.

00:50:11   The foldables software goes beyond simple open and closed states.

00:50:18   Condition one.

00:50:19   There will be support for quote unquote tabletop mode with specific UIs for it.

00:50:25   Yep.

00:50:25   Number two.

00:50:27   So yes, that that's a yes.

00:50:30   It's in every single example that they showed off.

00:50:33   Number two, users can peek through at one side of the inner display by

00:50:38   slightly opening the device.

00:50:40   Um yes, and like I mean obviously Apple didn't so d this could have

00:50:46   been debated, I I think this condition to an extent.

00:50:49   Let's put a pin in this for you know for uh Okay.

00:50:52   Okay.

00:50:52   In a minute.

00:50:53   Um number three.

00:50:55   Standby will support a tent mode when the iPhone is charging.

00:51:00   Uh not only when the iPhone is charging, but also when it's charging.

00:51:04   So yes, they shut off standby, uh completely rethought standby for uh basically this

00:51:11   hands-free kind of usage.

00:51:13   Um I think the coolest shot of that was the alarm clock where the

00:51:17   inside screen like glows orange.

00:51:20   However, who is putting their phone on their bedside table and not charging it?

00:51:24   Also sitting it on their side on its side.

00:51:26   I have a cat.

00:51:28   No You kn you know, Mike, sometimes this happens to me uh that like

00:51:33   I realize that I'm falling asleep with my phone and it just Yeah, but

00:51:37   that's fine.

00:51:38   But this person has arranged their phone into a tenth.

00:51:40   Right.

00:51:41   Maybe you are maybe maybe you are a very functional half sleeper or something.

00:51:46   Sure.

00:51:46   Could be I don't know.

00:51:48   Could be.

00:51:48   Uh anyway.

00:51:49   So the condition number two.

00:51:50   Uh users can peek through at one side of the inner display by slyly

00:51:54   opening the device.

00:51:55   You can.

00:51:56   I mean the whole thing that is going viral now is the animation that

00:52:00   Apple has designed.

00:52:01   I think because of that animation, you get this point.

00:52:04   Yeah that's what I think.

00:52:05   Okay.

00:52:06   This is partly because I need to admit to something.

00:52:10   I am obsessed by this animation.

00:52:13   Oh, it's so good.

00:52:14   For 24 hours, it is all I can think about.

00:52:17   And I I d cannot stop watching videos on Instagram of people opening these

00:52:22   phones.

00:52:22   I am obsessed by it.

00:52:24   It's one of the most impressive things I've ever seen from like a little

00:52:28   detail.

00:52:28   It's unbelievable.

00:52:29   And I have a theory about some of the thinking that went into how

00:52:33   they modeled this the look of it.

00:52:36   What it reminds me of is eyesight.

00:52:38   It reminds me of the eyesight thing in the Vision Pro.

00:52:42   Mm.

00:52:42   That like blurriness of the way that the eyes look, it's got a similar

00:52:48   kind of look to it.

00:52:50   Like when you open it.

00:52:51   It cuts it kinda goes a weird blur and like anyway, this is not

00:52:55   that's not an important thing.

00:52:56   But nevertheless, I am just like I cannot stop thinking about this animation.

00:52:59   It's w it's so impressive.

00:53:01   If if you think about it, it's the most uh skewomorphic thing that Apple

00:53:05   has done in a while.

00:53:07   Yeah.

00:53:08   Um it looks like magic.

00:53:10   It looks it actually looks like magic.

00:53:11   It's unbelievable.

00:53:12   I got this funny text from OTJ today.

00:53:15   Okay.

00:53:15   Um where is it?

00:53:17   Hold on.

00:53:17   Let me scroll up.

00:53:18   I already feel bad for him, you know?

00:53:20   He sent me a link

00:53:23   uh about this animation

00:53:26   and he said exactly why Apple was never going to reverse course on liquid

00:53:30   glass.

00:53:31   I mean yeah that's it.

00:53:32   Like that's the whole thing.

00:53:34   Well I will take it a step forward.

00:53:35   So the entire UI of the duo in general.

00:53:39   Like the entire thing that I wrote about last year, about liquid glass, like

00:53:44   set aside the glass.

00:53:46   Just think of just think about the liquid and think about how it's minimizing

00:53:49   the UI.

00:53:50   Without that UI, there's no iPhone duo.

00:53:53   And the movement.

00:53:54   The fact that you know like your tab bars become buttons and they go

00:53:57   over to the right hand side.

00:53:58   Yeah.

00:53:58   Like like all of this was needed for them to be able to produce

00:54:02   this phone.

00:54:03   Right.

00:54:03   But how do we love to complain about Liquid Glass?

00:54:06   But but I also feel like we all knew that though anyway, right?

00:54:09   Like I think we all knew that they would gonna be doing a big

00:54:13   redesign partly to support this product, but people just didn't like it.

00:54:17   And I would just like to say, one of us did not complain about

00:54:21   liquid glass.

00:54:22   I have do not c I've I've never had a problem with it.

00:54:25   I had the o I think the only positive review on Liquid Glass last

00:54:28   year.

00:54:29   Well, if I would have written my thoughts down, it would have been b

00:54:31   Actually I did.

00:54:32   Uh I did I did write 'em down.

00:54:34   I wrote something on my blog about how much I liked it when everyone

00:54:37   was upset about it.

00:54:39   Uh anyway, what was I saying?

00:54:41   So in addition to the animation, that is absolutely beautiful, whatever they're doing, uh,

00:54:46   there's also the fact that you can replicate this yourself if you are a

00:54:51   developer.

00:54:52   And you want to enable uh this kind of functionality.

00:54:55   Uh there's a couple of things.

00:54:57   Uh the system can monitor the state of the hinge, and there's a continuous

00:55:02   angle API, which is exactly what I said uh last week these code references

00:55:08   that were found all the way back in june they're actually developer sessions that

00:55:14   you can watch now on the Apple website which are really good.

00:55:17   They're really good.

00:55:18   Yeah they show off these funny examples like you can you can put together

00:55:22   like a little guitar playing app and you do you do like you use

00:55:26   the two screens to do like the whammy effect of the guitar.

00:55:30   Like it's really funny.

00:55:31   And but but that's what you can do.

00:55:33   You can have your app react.

00:55:36   To the state of the foldable device and the uh sort of the proportion,

00:55:42   whatever you want to call it, the angle of the two screens.

00:55:44   So I think I think we are about to enter a really fun era

00:55:49   of some developers having fun with this idea.

00:55:53   Um, especially when you come, I think it's gonna be like um it's this

00:55:58   killer recipe, I think this very moment of this brand new device and vibe

00:56:04   coding.

00:56:05   I think there's gonna be an explosion of silly apps for the iPhone duo.

00:56:09   Yeah.

00:56:09   And I'm gonna and I'm gonna get all of them.

00:56:11   To be honest.

00:56:12   You'll be pitched all of them, you'll download all of them, and you'll try

00:56:15   them all.

00:56:16   Yes.

00:56:17   Uh so I wanna note at this moment that not only has Federico clean

00:56:22   sweeped,

00:56:24   I think this is probably the highest scoring performance in Ricky's history.

00:56:28   Yeah.

00:56:28   Five points because of the bonus picks.

00:56:31   Yeah.

00:56:31   So bravo, Federico.

00:56:33   Thank you.

00:56:34   Very good.

00:56:35   I mean, you really, really desperately wanted to retain that title, it seems.

00:56:39   Yeah.

00:56:39   I mean I'm glad I s looking down at my flexes, I'm glad I

00:56:44   switched it.

00:56:46   Spoilers.

00:56:47   I'll say shame for the passion, but you know, I say, you know, I

00:56:51   don't know what to say about such a thing.

00:56:54   Some some uh we can't go any further without talking about

00:56:58   Apples cases for this thing or case, I guess, looks absolutely bananas.

00:57:05   Um the folio has a kickstand.

00:57:08   Yeah.

00:57:09   Federica, how excited are you?

00:57:11   I am incredibly excited but also do not understand the product that they are

00:57:17   selling.

00:57:18   Yeah.

00:57:19   Why do they include the the cover for the front screen?

00:57:23   It's like a s it's like a smart cover for an iPad kind of

00:57:27   thing it's just like it's covers screen.

00:57:28   I don't know why they're doing this either.

00:57:29   And I've just seen sell me the back part with the kickstand.

00:57:33   Yeah.

00:57:34   Yeah, I've seen some videos and like it is a whole case.

00:57:37   It has a an expandable part in the middle between these two, which is

00:57:40   different.

00:57:41   So the the plastic case is two pieces and you put one on the

00:57:44   front and one on the back.

00:57:45   The folio case has a kind of expanding spine in the middle of the

00:57:49   two um that like retracts and expands as you open and close the phone.

00:57:53   Uh and you're supposed to just like f flip the thing round to the

00:57:58   back when you're using the the front screen.

00:58:00   It's a it is a peculiar product, I think.

00:58:03   Also it's tech woven.

00:58:05   Tech Woven lives on.

00:58:06   Yes.

00:58:09   Uh I expect there will be lots of uh lots of lots of kickstand

00:58:13   like products uh that will be available on the worker.

00:58:16   Yeah.

00:58:17   I think this is a caseless phone though, like the air is.

00:58:22   No case.

00:58:22   Yeah.

00:58:23   Good luck everybody.

00:58:25   So I showed my wife the duo video last night.

00:58:29   Okay.

00:58:30   Like to just get her opinion on things, right?

00:58:32   Like colors and and uh features and whatnot.

00:58:35   And I fully expected to show her the duo thing and her to tell

00:58:39   me that it was stupid and that no one needed no one needs it.

00:58:42   That no one needs a phone that's really an iPad.

00:58:45   And the opposite occurred.

00:58:48   She was like, This is really cool.

00:58:50   And now she she winced at the price.

00:58:52   But then she was like, Well, if you don't buy an iPad and you

00:58:56   just have one device, like, pretty cool.

00:58:59   And so not what I expected.

00:59:02   She's not interested in it for her, but I think when I get one

00:59:06   in next month that she will definitely want to spend some time with it.

00:59:09   Really surprised me.

00:59:10   Really surprised me.

00:59:12   Yeah, you said about the iPad.

00:59:14   None of you reacted to the TikTok that I sent you.

00:59:17   Well, I wanted to save it for the show, actually.

00:59:19   Yeah.

00:59:19   I'm glad you brought it up.

00:59:21   So Uh so Apple's back at it and they posted a TikTok and it

00:59:25   is just a like a it is it is just a table with a

00:59:29   meal on it and a candle and there's uh an iPhone sitting on one

00:59:33   side and an iPad mini sitting on the other side and it says iPhone

00:59:36   Duo, the making of

00:59:40   I love it.

00:59:41   It's the whole thing.

00:59:42   That's it.

00:59:43   And it's just the candles just moving.

00:59:45   There's some music playing.

00:59:46   Man, I r I respect the TikTok marketing team at Apple so much.

00:59:51   So much.

00:59:52   It's brilliant.

00:59:53   It's brilliant.

00:59:55   It's good.

00:59:55   It's good.

00:59:56   They're doing the thing.

00:59:58   Okay, so Federico, clean sweep, five points.

01:00:02   Now it's my turn.

01:00:05   Yeah.

01:00:05   Apple introduces a new expanded home initiative.

01:00:10   A home pod with a display is introduced at $249.

01:00:15   The Apple TV is updated with a remote that supports FindMy.

01:00:19   Apple talks about improved threat support.

01:00:21   Okay, that's all wrong.

01:00:23   So you reckon they're gonna have another event?

01:00:25   I I think if there were Macs, I think you could see Macs, iPad's

01:00:30   home stuff.

01:00:30   I think that's definitely possible.

01:00:32   I was wondering like

01:00:34   do they have another event where they show off Max home stuff and the

01:00:39   iPhone Duo again?

01:00:41   Could be hey it's shipping or if it's afterwards like hey there's been out

01:00:44   a week and

01:00:47   maybe like here's some third party developer experiences that have been produced for the

01:00:52   for the product, da da da da da.

01:00:54   You know, because it's coming out in a month, right?

01:00:56   Yeah.

01:00:56   And so I could see that.

01:00:59   'Cause I just I feel like this home stuff is like it's out there.

01:01:01   It's like right there.

01:01:02   Mm-hmm.

01:01:04   Okay, so my mine was the folding phone has touch ID.

01:01:07   That's congratulations to me, I got it right.

01:01:10   Um, but also offers a new version of face ID powered by just cameras.

01:01:14   Apple says this is powered by Apple Intelligence and is a beta.

01:01:17   They publish information it shows it's whatever.

01:01:20   None of it's right.

01:01:21   Um look, I was very confident this wasn't the case.

01:01:25   But like if I was right though, you know?

01:01:27   It would have been so good.

01:01:28   And sometimes you've just gotta you gotta shoot your shot with these.

01:01:32   And I did, and I failed spectacularly.

01:01:35   But my other pick wouldn't got me any points either, so you know.

01:01:38   Yeah,

01:01:40   so that means at the end of the Rickies,

01:01:45   the score.

01:01:46   Federico has five points.

01:01:49   Mike,

01:01:51   one and a half points.

01:01:54   I have half a point.

01:01:56   Amazing.

01:01:57   Congratulations.

01:01:58   I'm just happy not to lose because I've been on a bit of a

01:02:00   losing streak.

01:02:01   So Yeah, no, I got I got I got I got killed.

01:02:04   I'm first place loser, you know?

01:02:06   That's right.

01:02:06   That's it's a good way of thinking about it.

01:02:08   I'm happy with that.

01:02:10   Yeah.

01:02:11   So uh congratulations Federico.

01:02:13   Your streak continues.

01:02:16   Absolutely.

01:02:18   Absolutely mad lad.

01:02:20   Thank you.

01:02:21   Thank you.

01:02:22   Yeah, it feels good.

01:02:23   Uh I I don't think I ever And with this new format, I I

01:02:27   never got like the all the three conditions

01:02:30   of a Riki.

01:02:32   So yeah, that that feels nice.

01:02:35   My as w as the keynote went on, I was like, you know, I

01:02:39   watch these things with this document open.

01:02:40   It's like, oh, oh God, there's so much green next to Federico's name.

01:02:45   Yeah.

01:02:47   Yeah.

01:02:48   So yeah, your annual pick is looking good too.

01:02:50   Um you got two of the three.

01:02:53   So

01:02:56   yeah, because it's yeah yeah uh Federico.

01:03:00   Yeah it might happen, right?

01:03:03   It might happen.

01:03:04   It might actually happen.

01:03:06   I know someone who doesn't want it to be an event.

01:03:10   You could be the benchman again.

01:03:12   Man.

01:03:13   Yeah.

01:03:14   Yeah.

01:03:15   I may ac uh where where can we hold on?

01:03:19   Uh annual twenty twenty six.

01:03:22   I may actually have a shot.

01:03:25   Of the consolidated all total title?

01:03:28   All all the four titles.

01:03:30   You could that that would be unprecedented, right?

01:03:32   That's never happened.

01:03:33   I mean uh I I can already grade one of my flexi.

01:03:36   I cannot believe that I I'm sorry that I'm skipping ahead.

01:03:39   I got a flexi for the annual twenty twenty six predictions, a case option

01:03:43   for iPhone Duo made by Apple as a kickstand.

01:03:46   I mean what good

01:03:48   wow.

01:03:51   Anyway, we'll we'll see in general.

01:03:53   I'm looking forward to that.

01:03:55   Yeah, that's that's I hope you can do it.

01:03:57   I really hope you can do it.

01:03:58   That would be brilliant.

01:04:00   Yeah.

01:04:01   Yeah.

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01:05:24   The Flexies is a game held after each edition of the Rickies.

01:05:27   It consists of a series of additional picks in relation to the upcoming Apple

01:05:32   event or year.

01:05:33   Scoring is completed separately from the main game, but like the Rikkies, the order

01:05:36   of picks is set by the results of the previous game and ties will

01:05:39   be broken using dice by PCalc.

01:05:42   Please lie down as the rules are read.

01:05:51   Host must make a minimum of five flexi picks.

01:05:54   Each correct pick is awarded with one point.

01:05:57   Wrong picks do not remove any points, and no partial points may be awarded.

01:06:02   The winner is determined by comparing the percentage of correct flexies made by each

01:06:07   host.

01:06:09   The winner can use their chosen title as long as they are the winner.

01:06:13   Federico shall be known as Prince Flexi and is known as King Flexi when

01:06:17   having both won the keynote and annual games.

01:06:20   Mike has chosen Duke of Fuxington and Archduke Fuxington.

01:06:24   I am the Attorney General of Flexi, and I use the title Secretary of

01:06:28   Deflex when necessary.

01:06:30   Loser of the Flexies must compensate the winner of the Flexies by donating to

01:06:34   a charity of the winner's choice.

01:06:37   The amount of the donation is twenty-five dollars per wrong flexi made by the

01:06:41   loser.

01:06:41   The money must be donated on air.

01:06:44   If someone holds all four titles, they are allowed to choose their own.

01:06:48   Nickname.

01:06:49   You may be seated.

01:06:51   Flexy time.

01:06:53   I get to go first.

01:06:54   Yep.

01:06:55   John Turnus is in a dark t-shirt.

01:06:58   Okay.

01:07:00   Does a long sleeve shirt count?

01:07:03   Can you describe a t shirt to me, please?

01:07:04   I mean you can have a long sleeve tee.

01:07:07   You can.

01:07:08   Does he?

01:07:10   I think it's kinda like a sweater kind of thing.

01:07:13   Yeah.

01:07:13   Yeah.

01:07:13   Oh what wait wait, a sweat the t shirt or just the sweater?

01:07:17   Uh uh uh John Turner's announcing.

01:07:19   No, it's not a t shirt.

01:07:20   It's chili.

01:07:20   It's chilly in the Bay Area.

01:07:22   It's also like it's burgundy, which I've just realized going back, which is quite

01:07:26   funny, which I guess is dark.

01:07:27   You know, that's a wine.

01:07:29   How was it?

01:07:30   Borgogna?

01:07:31   Is that it?

01:07:32   Borgonia.

01:07:33   Borgonia.

01:07:34   Oh, that was good, Steven.

01:07:36   Thank you.

01:07:37   I was afraid I was gonna slide into Russian by the end, you know.

01:07:40   I mean, it wasn't really that good.

01:07:42   But I don't know but you know, like but it was a new accent.

01:07:44   It was just something else we're trying out.

01:07:46   I'm a man of the world.

01:07:48   Mm-hmm.

01:07:49   The Apple Watch Ultra Four has a new sensor not found on the series

01:07:54   twelve.

01:07:55   I don't think so, right?

01:07:57   I'm excited about all the new sensors.

01:07:59   A lot more heart rate data.

01:08:01   A lot more data.

01:08:02   And hey, listens to you.

01:08:05   I think we're probably gonna come back to that.

01:08:07   Oh yeah.

01:08:08   Not not this week, but maybe soon.

01:08:09   Oh okay.

01:08:10   Maybe soon.

01:08:11   All right.

01:08:12   The folding phone comes in one color other than black or white.

01:08:18   Yes.

01:08:18   Dark blue.

01:08:20   Yeah.

01:08:22   Dark blue.

01:08:23   Yeah.

01:08:23   I I mean this is just this is the issue for me of draft

01:08:26   and Rickies.

01:08:27   They're like separate but related games.

01:08:30   That's right.

01:08:30   So it's like in the draft we counted it as monotone.

01:08:34   Yeah, it's because Jason's colorblind and No, I it's like No, you gave it

01:08:39   to him.

01:08:40   It may as well be black.

01:08:41   Yeah.

01:08:42   All I all I've listened to all week, 'cause I try to have um

01:08:46   what I call mental purity in these things.

01:08:49   All I listened to of upgrade was the score.

01:08:53   Have a listen to anything else.

01:08:55   I just wanted to know who won 'cause I didn't really keep up.

01:08:58   So mental purity.

01:08:59   I mean I just mental purity, interesting.

01:09:02   I just watched a bunch of videos this morning.

01:09:04   I did watch some hands-on.

01:09:05   Um wait, so not was so did they not go into your mental mind?

01:09:09   Well, is it MKBHD is not operating at the level we are in terms

01:09:13   of analysis of Apple products.

01:09:15   Oh

01:09:16   wow.

01:09:17   Okay.

01:09:19   It's not as nuanced.

01:09:24   That's all I'm saying.

01:09:28   Like in K really is a real name.

01:09:31   That's a thing to say, I suppose.

01:09:34   All right.

01:09:36   I don't know if I agree, but uh the HomePod or HomePod Mini is

01:09:40   updated.

01:09:41   No.

01:09:41   There are no new AirPods announced.

01:09:43   No.

01:09:44   AirPods five.

01:09:45   That was a surprise.

01:09:46   And they did the thing that I so they all have ANC now, which

01:09:50   is great.

01:09:50   But it's twenty dollar difference between the two, and the better one has volume

01:09:55   controls on the stem and wireless charging in the case.

01:09:58   Like they're still needlessly separate operating these things.

01:10:00   Just have one set of AirPods.

01:10:02   Yeah, but do you want them to make the price more expensive?

01:10:07   I mean I guess the base price is still is still better.

01:10:10   I don't I think that's the reason, right?

01:10:13   Otherwise they would do it.

01:10:14   But I I think that like

01:10:16   those things do cost money, I'm sure, right?

01:10:19   So it's like

01:10:20   separate them out.

01:10:21   Are you what do you two both use for AirPods at the moment?

01:10:25   Uh Pro two?

01:10:26   Pro three.

01:10:27   You use the current pros.

01:10:28   Steven, what are you using?

01:10:29   Like AirPods 1 or something.

01:10:31   AirPods Pro Two.

01:10:32   Oh, okay.

01:10:33   So you are on Pro Why didn't Would you go to these?

01:10:36   We just talked about this.

01:10:37   No, the three the Pro Three didn't really work for me.

01:10:40   Uh when did we talk about it?

01:10:42   Now?

01:10:42   Didn't talk about the show recently?

01:10:44   I mean, yeah, but I don't remember the ex You the amount of times

01:10:48   you have changed the AirPods that you That's not true at all.

01:10:50   I went from the AirPods to the AirPods 2 to the pros to the

01:10:55   pro two.

01:10:56   Very linear.

01:10:57   During none of those times you have not bought and returned a pair of

01:11:00   AirPods?

01:11:01   I know, I tried the three pros and I didn't they didn't work for

01:11:03   me.

01:11:03   So this is what I'm saying.

01:11:04   So I can't remember.

01:11:05   Like I can't remember what you're doing.

01:11:07   You don't have a spreadsheet?

01:11:09   Not for that.

01:11:10   Um I wanna try I'm gonna try and I ordered a pair to see

01:11:13   what they're see what they like because I feel like that might be pretty

01:11:15   good for you, right?

01:11:16   Could be.

01:11:17   Could be because I'm definitely aware that I'm borrowed time in Pro Two Land.

01:11:21   Yeah, yeah.

01:11:23   My last three were my alternates for my risky pick.

01:11:27   Turnus introduces himself as quote the new CEO.

01:11:33   Did not do that.

01:11:34   No, he was introduced as the guy.

01:11:36   That's pretty cool.

01:11:38   Pretty cool.

01:11:38   Pretty cool.

01:11:39   I am the new CEO.

01:11:41   Hello.

01:11:43   Look, in hindsight, this is the guy.

01:11:46   In hindsight, you know, it's 2020.

01:11:48   Number seven, they show photos of Tim.

01:11:53   Nope, we got living, breathing, moving Tim.

01:11:58   If you think about it, what is video but thirty pictures per second?

01:12:02   So literally got the guy fast driving a car and then, you know, walking

01:12:07   towards the camera and say

01:12:10   Was that Tim in the car, you think?

01:12:12   I think it's supposed to be Wasn't that implied?

01:12:14   I I just thought he was the narrator.

01:12:16   No, I think it was it was him and then he was fast driving

01:12:19   the car to Apple Park.

01:12:20   Yeah.

01:12:20   Yeah, 'cause he like drives into the garage and then you see him walk

01:12:23   in.

01:12:23   Yeah.

01:12:24   It's Tim.

01:12:24   Okay.

01:12:25   That no, I mean that makes sense.

01:12:26   I I didn't put that together.

01:12:28   Um that makes a lot of sense.

01:12:30   Um and then

01:12:32   my last one, they explained Tim's not going anywhere.

01:12:36   Well they actually kinda did the opposite, right?

01:12:38   Where he's like he walks off into the sunset kind of thing and he's

01:12:41   like I you don't want me anymore.

01:12:42   See ya Yeah.

01:12:44   And then the memorium plays again.

01:12:48   So I have been extremely consistent on today's episode.

01:12:51   I have scored the lowest possible score without scoring zero.

01:12:55   And so that's pretty good.

01:12:56   Actually.

01:12:57   I have one out of eight.

01:13:00   That's pretty impressive.

01:13:01   For twelve point five percent.

01:13:03   Woof.

01:13:04   Not I'm just gonna get my credit card out now.

01:13:07   So um Federico, some of yours are ungraded still because I'm not quite sure.

01:13:12   Yeah, because it's uh this uh this kind of stuff all always comes back

01:13:17   to bite me because there's no way to verify.

01:13:20   Yeah.

01:13:20   We'll see.

01:13:21   Anyway, number one, there is no action button on the foldable.

01:13:24   This is heartbreaking to me.

01:13:25   It is they kept camera control.

01:13:28   No know what they should know what they should do here?

01:13:31   You just have a s you like you use camera control as an action

01:13:35   button.

01:13:35   Yes.

01:13:36   Yes.

01:13:37   Yesterday during upgrades Zoe into Scorp was like, Mike, you should just vibe code

01:13:42   a camera app

01:13:44   to do to to set up the shortcut you want, which is a really

01:13:48   good idea.

01:13:49   Like just make an app and it's a camera and uh I could just

01:13:54   it can just set off a shortcut.

01:13:55   That's all I wanted to do.

01:13:58   Oh my god, yes.

01:13:58   Okay.

01:13:59   That's number two.

01:14:00   Both iPhone eighteen pro models have a smaller dynamic island than their predecessors.

01:14:05   Yep.

01:14:05   Yeah.

01:14:05   Yes.

01:14:06   Oh, how wild is it that the camera the selfie cameras under the screen.

01:14:10   I know, right?

01:14:11   I know.

01:14:12   But it's a terrible camera though.

01:14:14   I don't know if you've seen any like MKBHD's video, he shared some video

01:14:18   from the camera.

01:14:19   It is real bad.

01:14:20   It's bad.

01:14:20   Like it's fine for a FaceTime camera.

01:14:22   Like it's fine.

01:14:23   Um there's a reason other people have tried this and moved away from it.

01:14:27   Yeah.

01:14:28   Yeah.

01:14:28   Yep.

01:14:30   Um what are we number three?

01:14:33   So There will be fold state automation triggers in shortcuts.

01:14:39   There's no way to know.

01:14:40   And obviously, nobody going to the hands-on event is gonna open shortcuts and check

01:14:44   for automation triggers, right?

01:14:46   Um number four, the new fold this is actually wrong.

01:14:50   The new foldable iPhone ships with a brand new multitasking system that lets you

01:14:55   have independent docks on the outer and inner display with fewer or more icons.

01:15:01   No, they just showed you a dock with four apps and it just it's

01:15:06   on the side and that's it.

01:15:09   This should have been my risky, and then I changed my mind and obviously

01:15:13   I went for the clean sweep.

01:15:16   Um number five, there's no way to verify at least a portion of this.

01:15:22   Uh I'm just gonna say that it's wrong.

01:15:24   You can drag apps into view from either the dock, like on an iPad,

01:15:29   or spotlight from the dynamic island.

01:15:31   I think they only show that you can drag from the home screen.

01:15:35   Yeah.

01:15:35   So that's it makes me feel like you can do this, but they just

01:15:39   haven't.

01:15:40   I think it's probably gonna work from Spotlight, but they didn't it yeah they

01:15:44   didn't show it.

01:15:45   Um number six, the foldable supports drag and drop for content between apps in

01:15:51   split view.

01:15:52   This was in the in the keynote video.

01:15:54   It was a demo.

01:15:55   And number seven, Siri AI is demoed again.

01:15:59   Indeed.

01:16:00   Was it.

01:16:00   Indeed.

01:16:02   I liked it.

01:16:02   I liked the demo.

01:16:04   Like I think they showed a bunch of additional useful things that you can

01:16:09   do.

01:16:09   Yeah.

01:16:10   Um

01:16:12   number eight, Siri AI on the foldable can open two apps at once.

01:16:17   I think it's gonna work, but there's no way to verify.

01:16:20   Yeah, yeah.

01:16:21   I think you can ask Siri AI to open this and it's gonna do

01:16:25   it.

01:16:26   I assume that on the duo you can say open safarian notes, it'll do

01:16:31   it, but I don't have a duo.

01:16:33   So But we don't know.

01:16:34   Who knows?

01:16:35   They they did bring the at pairing, and I think it's pretty clever the

01:16:39   way they do it, where you use like the center of the screen.

01:16:41   Yeah.

01:16:42   Um to glue them together.

01:16:43   Yes.

01:16:44   And so that that's cool that that's there.

01:16:46   Like I feel like they I'm again, we haven't used it, but I feel

01:16:50   like they did a pretty good job at like taking what w what you

01:16:53   would want from iPad OS to something like this, right?

01:16:57   It's simpler than iPad OS.

01:16:59   In fact, in some ways it's like iPad OS was like three years ago

01:17:02   or something.

01:17:03   But I think in practice it's gonna work pretty well.

01:17:07   Yeah.

01:17:08   Okay.

01:17:09   That brings me to four out of eight.

01:17:12   Even I can do that.

01:17:13   That's fifty percent.

01:17:15   That is.

01:17:16   You're right.

01:17:18   All right, so here we go.

01:17:20   Number one, Turnus does not wear Nike shoes.

01:17:22   Is correct.

01:17:23   He's not wearing Nike shoes.

01:17:25   Turnus does the majority of the folding phone presentation.

01:17:30   So this is marked as red, but it's like, how do you define majority?

01:17:35   In time.

01:17:36   In time.

01:17:36   I don't I don't think it was.

01:17:37   Is that it's not the majority against other people or against time itself?

01:17:43   You mentioned the folding phone presentation.

01:17:46   Yeah, yeah.

01:17:47   But during that part of the keynote he absolutely is doing the majority of

01:17:50   it.

01:17:51   Compared to anybody else.

01:17:54   Like he spends more time than any other singular person.

01:17:57   No, he doesn't.

01:17:58   They have craig, they have jaws, they have to get it.

01:18:02   What?

01:18:03   Barely in it.

01:18:03   Barely come on.

01:18:05   Entire minutes of them talking about the stuff.

01:18:08   And he did way more No, I fine, whatever, I'm gonna argue.

01:18:10   I don't care enough.

01:18:11   The uh the folding iPhone allows two iPhone size apps side by side, not

01:18:15   iPad apps.

01:18:16   That's correct.

01:18:17   The A twenty is a two nanometer chip.

01:18:19   That is correct.

01:18:20   We see a video showing the folding phone going through durability testing.

01:18:23   We didn't we got a lot of information about it, but we we didn't

01:18:28   bend it.

01:18:29   But they did the whole thing, like the opening scene was like on the

01:18:32   beach and sand famously kills folding phones.

01:18:35   I just thought that was a a a touch.

01:18:37   That was funny.

01:18:38   Okay.

01:18:39   Yeah.

01:18:39   I could see where they were going with that.

01:18:40   Like it which was it's pretty funny.

01:18:44   So my next one is John Turner Swalks Out on Stage Live.

01:18:47   Now No.

01:18:49   It wasn't live.

01:18:51   Yeah, I know.

01:18:52   Uh then Turner it's the the other ones in everyone on the stage, so

01:18:55   like whatever, it doesn't matter, they're all wrong.

01:18:57   We don't even need to hear 'em.

01:18:58   Do we even need to hear them?

01:18:59   I don't even think so.

01:19:00   Read 'em.

01:19:01   I read mine.

01:19:03   Turner says how much of an honor it's taken when I was CEO and

01:19:05   it feels to be on the stage.

01:19:07   There's live audience in attendance that we see.

01:19:10   Three out of eight.

01:19:11   And it's defined C, you know, like

01:19:14   you know.

01:19:15   Three out of eight.

01:19:16   Three out of eight.

01:19:16   What's the percentage of that?

01:19:17   Thirty seven and a half percent.

01:19:19   Sick.

01:19:20   So Federico won both.

01:19:24   Mike got second in both, and I got last in both.

01:19:29   Amazing.

01:19:29   Amazon.

01:19:30   How much money do you owe to St.

01:19:32   Jude now?

01:19:33   It's quite a lot of money.

01:19:34   It is twenty-five dollars per wrong pick.

01:19:37   Didn't we increase that?

01:19:38   Or was there like a threat of increasing?

01:19:40   We have talked about increasing it to thirty dollars.

01:19:42   Yeah.

01:19:42   Is now the time.

01:19:44   I mean it's still not in line with inflation.

01:19:47   Yeah.

01:19:49   I mean, so twenty five dollars, I had seven wrong picks, is a hundred

01:19:53   and seventy five dollars.

01:19:54   Nice.

01:19:55   Okay.

01:19:55   If we do thirty times seven, it's two hundred and ten.

01:19:58   Do it for the kids man.

01:19:59   What do you think the inflation number is though?

01:20:01   Okay, so well what we can look this up actually.

01:20:03   Hang on, hang on.

01:20:04   There's an inflation calculator.

01:20:06   Uh but we need to s like when did we set twenty five as

01:20:09   the uh probably in like twenty twenty.

01:20:13   Let me see how far it goes back.

01:20:14   See how far back the bill of fluxies goes.

01:20:17   Yeah.

01:20:18   Um

01:20:20   2020.

01:20:20   WWE C 2020 is the first time that is noted as $25.

01:20:24   In 2020, I purchased an item for twenty five dollars, then how much would

01:20:29   it be in twenty twenty six?

01:20:32   Thirty two dollars and twenty six cents.

01:20:34   All right, so thirty.

01:20:35   I think thirty is a good

01:20:37   works.

01:20:38   Yeah.

01:20:39   Okay.

01:20:40   So that's two hundred and ten dollars

01:20:43   to Saintju dot org slash relay.

01:20:46   Yeah.

01:20:48   Two hundred and ten dollars.

01:20:51   Donate.

01:20:54   Ooh.

01:20:55   I would like a sticker pack and digital bundle, please.

01:20:58   Oh, they sound really good.

01:21:00   The stickers are awesome.

01:21:03   I'm donating like a normal person.

01:21:05   So anyone So everyone can get access to sticker packs and digital bundles.

01:21:08   Donate more than a hundred dollars.

01:21:09   And the digital bundle is a bunch of wallpapers and an amazing macOS screensaver.

01:21:14   And you can make this donation without having to lose the game publicly in

01:21:17   front of thousands of people.

01:21:19   That's right.

01:21:20   Um, right now we are voting on Jason's cowboy name.

01:21:24   So I'm voting for the one that I like more.

01:21:27   Which is the losing one?

01:21:28   Jason Heads or Snails.

01:21:29   Yep.

01:21:30   Yeah, it's losing by like six grand.

01:21:36   $510.

01:21:37   It's my email address.

01:21:38   You know, you're least putting your intent in, you know?

01:21:41   Steven, the loser is my display name.

01:21:45   Love it.

01:21:47   Continue to donation.

01:21:50   Okay, filling that out.

01:21:52   I'm not reading you my address on on the website.

01:21:55   Just keep going.

01:21:56   Credit card.

01:21:57   Read that one.

01:22:00   Here we go.

01:22:01   What number does your credit card start with?

01:22:04   I'm not saying that.

01:22:06   What do you think people are gonna do with that one number?

01:22:09   Uh well let me What's the first one?

01:22:11   Social uh social engineering.

01:22:13   Uh it's a four.

01:22:15   Okay.

01:22:16   Yeah, this is gonna be like a twelve year con from me where every

01:22:19   year I just ask Steven for one more number.

01:22:22   Wow.

01:22:23   Okay, I've I've given two hundred and ten dollars to St.

01:22:28   Jude, and we are updating the f I'm updating the bill of flexies right

01:22:33   now from thir from twenty-five dollars to thirty dollars.

01:22:39   There we go.

01:22:41   Bravo.

01:22:42   That's any uh any closing Thoughts or remarks on the event?

01:22:47   It was a good event.

01:22:48   It was a good event.

01:22:49   Very exciting.

01:22:51   Really want to do a it's gonna be a long month and a half.

01:22:55   Oh uh is anyone pre-ordering anything?

01:22:57   Obviously, me and Federico, we both bought the ceramic.

01:23:00   Apple Watch already.

01:23:01   The duo.

01:23:02   Right.

01:23:03   Well, I mean no, but I mean like on Saturday.

01:23:06   Oh no.

01:23:07   No?

01:23:07   No.

01:23:08   Neither of you are getting the Pro phone.

01:23:10   No.

01:23:10   Why would I?

01:23:11   Huh, okay.

01:23:13   No, no, no.

01:23:14   Duo all the way.

01:23:16   I am going to order a profile because I am not convinced that I

01:23:21   will want the duo to be my my FM.

01:23:26   I think that's um I think that makes sense.

01:23:29   Are you gonna trade in the orange one or what?

01:23:32   So uh today I just wanted to see what I could get and it's

01:23:36   like this is not eligible, so I need to deal with that another time.

01:23:38   Oh, because you have an American phone.

01:23:40   Yeah, but also do you remember I did the whole thing where it's they

01:23:44   replaced it with an American phone?

01:23:47   Uh huh.

01:23:48   Um so I don't know if I could trade it in.

01:23:50   Uh but I'm planning to do something.

01:23:53   I'm gonna trade something in before the duo.

01:23:55   And like I may trade in the I have like a fifteen pro that

01:23:59   I use for my camera and then maybe the seventeen pro becomes my camera.

01:24:05   Could I?

01:24:05   And I do that.

01:24:06   So I keep the orange because like I love it.

01:24:08   So Yeah.

01:24:09   And also the it's a seventeen it's a fifteen pro max, which is just

01:24:13   like annoying to deal with.

01:24:14   So I might I might change it out to the to the seventeen pro

01:24:18   and trade that one in instead.

01:24:19   Okay.

01:24:20   Well, next time we'll talk about some of those decisions, I guess.

01:24:24   Well, it's only me.

01:24:26   I'm the only one.

01:24:27   Maybe one of us will

01:24:29   hit the thing.

01:24:30   Yes, the thing is that d you know, we're we're all uh we're all

01:24:34   fic fickle in our own ways sometimes.

01:24:36   So it would not surprise me if between now and Saturday one of you

01:24:40   got a bit nervous and just placed an order.

01:24:42   Could be.

01:24:43   If you want to find stuff to about the things we spoke about, you

01:24:47   know, topics and stuff, uh there Uh they were in the show notes.

01:24:50   Yes, topics and stuff.

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01:24:53   You want to find stuff for the things that we talk about.

01:24:57   It's what we do, yes.

01:24:58   Yeah.

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01:25:00   to join and get connected pro, which is the longer and ad-free version of

01:25:04   the show we do each and every week.

01:25:06   More stuff?

01:25:08   Lots more stuff.

01:25:10   Wallpapers, Discord access.

01:25:13   Good stuff.

01:25:14   Uh check out Federico's website, maxstories.net.

01:25:17   Y'all did a bunch of great coverage the last couple of days of the

01:25:21   Apple event.

01:25:21   So go read all that.

01:25:23   You can find Mike across a bunch of shows here on Relay, and you

01:25:26   can find his blog at theenthusiast.net.

01:25:30   You can find my writing at 512pixels.net.

01:25:33   And uh I'm gonna be unconnected next week.

01:25:35   So stay tuned for that.

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01:25:40   Until next time, guys, say goodbye.

01:25:42   Adi Videchi.

01:25:43   Cheerio.

01:25:44   Bye, y'all.