621: white ceramic apple white
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From Relay, this is Connected episode six hundred and twenty-one.
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Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace.
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I am your Pere.
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Perennial keynote chairman Federico Vittici.
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And I'm joined by the uh temporary annual chairman, Stephen Hackett.
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Hello, Stephen.
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I don't I don't think we gotta throw shade in the intro.
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Well, you know.
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I'm just, you know, staring at the numbers and the stats and the numbers
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they speak for themselves.
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On my behalf, in fact.
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Don't don't like that.
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I mean you should get good, you know?
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If you don't like that.
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It's in the rules.
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Uh and I am joined by the um
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Well it's just Men of the People he likes to say.
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Man of the people.
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Well I didn't come up with that name.
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Someone else came up with that name from me.
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We do have some fe some uh follow up about your losing stream.
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You wanna introduce me?
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No one said my name.
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I said Mike I'm just like a Hey Mike, he said Mike.
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He said Mike.
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Well, I was talking over him, so how am I supposed to hear?
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Fair enough.
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Life on the internet.
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Okay, my Mike, just settle down.
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Settle down.
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Settle down.
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Um we have some follow-up.
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We're gonna start with with Mike.
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Luke wrote in As Mike is a true man of the people, I must
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know, will he ever win the Rickies again?
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Is the glorious peoples comeback ever planned?
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I'm gonna do it for you, Luke.
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Do it for Luke.
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I'm gonna do it for Luke.
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Here's the thing, cause I understand what Luke's getting at, right?
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Considering I am a man of the people now, how could I go back
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against the people and become one of the chairmen, right?
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So what I'm gonna do here's what I'm gonna do.
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So there is a rule that if somebody wins all four, they can pick
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their own name, right?
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You're gonna you're gonna pick Luke.
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I'm that wasn't what I was gonna do.
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I my plan is to win all four, so both the key Kino and
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annual chairmanships and both of the Flexi champ uh chap championships and then I'm
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just gonna rename the whole thing to Man of the People.
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So look out for it, Luke.
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I'm gonna do it for you.
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I think if you do win all four you should you should choose Luke
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as your name.
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I think that's actually hilarious.
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Pretty good.
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I uh look let's be real though, if if I am able to win
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all four, the name that I will make you two call me will take
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about sixteen minutes to to finally rattle off.
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Like it's gonna be it will be like So British of you.
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Almost like a hostage situation that I will create for our listeners.
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Um That's that's they're gonna have to want to source through.
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Is that is that Okay.
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It's good podcasting.
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Putting making your listeners hostage?
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It was like what you did last week, which I've been thinking about a
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What did I do last week?
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How every time somebody needed to step away, you refused to cut the show.
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I've been thinking about this.
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Like I was thinking about it in the shower.
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You remember what I said about when I'm the shower, I get sad.
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And you think about me.
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And I was and I was thinking sometimes I think about you in the
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I think about everyone.
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It is, I suppose.
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And I was thinking about it.
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I was like, oh man, you know, you left that in.
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leave it in.
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We need to set the record straight on this podcast.
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Is that what we're a lot of people on the internet claiming that they
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came up with iPhone Duo first.
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And we need to get this record set straight.
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Maximilian wrote in and said, Best as I can tell, Federico has the earliest
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public reference to iPhone Duo being the name, as his annual pick.
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Ryan Ryan Cristoffel at nine to five Mac wrote in March predicting the name
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and claimed Zach Hall has internally discussed the name in the prior fall, but
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that's not verifiable.
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I agree, Maximilian.
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Yeah, where are the records nine to five Mac?
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Show us your receipts.
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If it's in Slack, you should have it.
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Unless you don't pay for Slack.
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Now nine to five Mac, you're not paying.
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You ain't got a free Slack account over there.
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They're not paying for Slack over there.
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You don't think they're paying for Slack?
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Well they can prove it.
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You can prove two things.
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You can prove come on, nine to five.
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Prove two things.
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Do you pay for Slack?
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And if you do, show us the receipts of Zach claiming that they came
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up with the But also but also it doesn't matter.
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You gotta have you know, you gotta have the passion and the courage to
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put it out there in the real world.
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That's That's true.
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You came up with it in June of last year if you want to.
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Yeah, I can say that.
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I can say that.
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You know You can't print your brain out, can you?
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Uh so yeah, I mean I I thank you, Maximilian, for everyone else get
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Federico is first in this one.
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Form a line behind Federico.
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And and as we and as we proved last week, Mike encouraged me during
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the the the name picking saying you convinced me.
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So you know Mike w I had Mike's support when no one else
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when no one else was believing in me.
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Mike was there.
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Nobody else holding my hand on the precipice of names for Apple products and
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saying, Federico, take the leap and do it.
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Speaking of me being right.
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Oh what what is happening?
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Jack wrote in and said, Despite my despite Mike's favorite rumor, the iPhone duo.
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Despite Mike Despike Mike's favorite rumor, the iPhone Duo is available in Australia.
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It is unfortunately three thousand four hundred and ninety nine Australian dollars.
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What is that?
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What what is that?
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That's an unbelievable Australian dollars.
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Uh and the base model.
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And five thousand eight hundred and ninety nine for the two terabyte, which is
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that is an unbelievable amount of money.
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Um sounds like anyway but I have no idea what the like I I
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can't work out what an Australian dollar is.
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Um so yeah, it's just proving that that rumour in that Australian outlet about
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it not about it being US only just couldn't have been more wrong, could
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So I was right to be skeptical.
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my rampage to the follow up is now done, so we can we can
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leisurely pace to the regular show.
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Um I don't know why I put this in follow up, but I'm j
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I'm sorry, I d uh my rampage is not over.
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I've later on in our document, we have what did we order?
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Oh, you saw now?
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I saw it now.
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You finally saw it?
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Can we just jump to this so 'cause it doesn't make sense.
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My thing I will I will move out of I'll put at the bottom.
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yeah we're gonna leave all that in two.
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So this is all in Jim.
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No, this should be in.
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It makes sense to be in.
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I was just commenting on what Mike wrote in the document.
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So Steven put, What did we order?
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I said an eighteen pro one terabyte silver.
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I didn't see this.
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Then I wrote white white ceramic apple white.
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Then Federico wrote, I also got an apple white.
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Well obviously I meant white ceramic apple white.
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Yeah, I mean is what I is what I meant.
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The apple white.
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Did you you actually get an apple white Federico?
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I got an apple white.
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You got an apple white still.
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Yeah, it's coming tomorrow.
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No, I ordered my my wife a watch, like we said this last time.
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And um but I will say, 'cause I I was a little disappointed, a
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little disappointed in the in the the white the color.
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But I just seen has a video that shows it and it is much
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whiter, whiter, whiter wider than I thought it was.
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It's bigger.
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It's bigger.
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And and uh And so maybe maybe it's okay.
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Well I will be bringing one to Memphis.
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But you'll you'll see one before then.
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There's no way you're gonna go to the Apple store and look at it.
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Yeah, I'm I gotta go to the Apple store anyways.
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Uh I cannot pick one up in Saddle Creek.
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So like at my the Memphis Apple store.
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And so it I don't know if it's limited stores.
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I can get one shipped, but it doesn't come till the end of October.
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Uh and so I you know, I don't know.
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We'll just we'll see how it goes.
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What do you need to go to the Apple store for?
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To pick up Mary's watch.
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Uh and my I ordered AirPods.
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I will be there.
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Maybe they'll have one on display, but uh maybe not.
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They might not.
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I would expect they'll probably have one on display.
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But I couldn't I could never get one in store pickup for in Memphis,
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I don't think.
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Which is uh concerning.
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I'm uh yeah, so I'm getting an iPhone and an Apple Watch tomorrow, but
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the thing I'm most excited about is the Apple Watch.
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What what phone?
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Like one terabyte silver.
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Can I say something to y'all?
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I um I don't know.
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I kinda can you say it?
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Um I kinda I kinda went an iPhone eighteen pro.
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Just d th the the the reviews I think they got me with the
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Okay, we're gonna talk about them in a little bit, but that's interesting that
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you feel that way.
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But we'll see.
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I mean I I I I gotta buy a very expensive phone next month.
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And I probably should put kids in college here pretty soon.
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So How much of a dent is it gonna take out of the college
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I don't know.
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We're we have a college visit coming up and it I th it uh
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the fur this is our first one.
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And the school that was chosen uh shockingly expensive.
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You know, I'm not gonna try to sabotage the campus visit.
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That would be Well, but he's not not.
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But I'm be I'm not I'm not not.
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It's not not.
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I'm not not.
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I'm not not.
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Hey, it's September.
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September is childhood cancer awareness month.
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And you know what that means?
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That means we're raising money.
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It's year eight.
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And we have hit, as of a few days ago, since twenty nineteen, a
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lifetime total of five million dollars raised for St.
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What is there a quiz?
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No, it's just the hype function.
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You can't that.
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Oh my god, you just gave me a heart attack.
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It was it was purely for the hype.
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It's quiz about our our St.
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Jude fundraising over the years.
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I mean, what an incredible milestone.
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And it it is if you had told me in twenty nineteen that this
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was even possible, like sometimes I look back through the twenty nineteen campaign and
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it's kind of adorable.
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Like we're just at a folding table with the Puck Acathon and we don't
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know what we're doing.
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We raised 315 grand the first year, which absolutely blew my expectations out of
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And it's it's gotten bigger and bigger.
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It is it is stunning, a stunning amount of money.
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And thank you.
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I mean, it is because of the relay and Apple community that we're able
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to celebrate this.
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It's an incredible achievement.
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It's an achievement that we have all achieved together.
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Um, 'cause th that that's what this whole time of year is all about.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So it takes everyone to beat something like childhood cancer.
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Uh childhood cancer is something that when Saint Jude was founded back in nineteen
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sixty two, it was It was thought to be basically universally fatal.
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And the folks who were there at the beginning knew that wasn't true.
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And they started working on cures.
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And if you go through the history of St.
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Jude, it is absolutely amazing what they've been able to do in the years
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Uh thanks to in part to their therapies that they have uh designed and
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put together at St.
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Jude, more than 80% of US childhood cancer patients survey survive now.
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That's up from twenty percent when they started.
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Think about how much progress has been made.
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But that is only here in the US.
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In other parts of the world, the number is not that good.
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Jude works to get their treatment shared.
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Around the world.
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We we've spoken about that before with their global initiatives.
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Uh just because you're somewhere else doesn't mean you shouldn't treatment that St.
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Jude can can offer.
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So they're hard at work at that, but they're also hard at work on
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their own campus.
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A bunch of people travel to St.
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Jude to have their children treated.
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Um, and there are two new towers that are being built right now, two
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fifteen patient, fifteen story outpatient clinics and clinical offices.
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Um Plus a new research tower being built.
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Um those clinical towers are really cool.
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So we have been a St.
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Jude patient.
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My son was diagnosed in 2009.
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He's getting ready to be 18 and he's doing super well because of St.
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But these clinical buildings, like it's a great example of Saint Jude responding to
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what patients need.
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Um, the whole time we've been there, clinics have been scattered throughout a couple
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of buildings at St.
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Jude, and you spend a lot of time kind of going between them as
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you would like you would any hospital.
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And so they are putting all that under one roof.
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And so most of the time when you have a clinical appointment to St.
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Jude, they're all gonna be in this one new, absolutely beautiful building.
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Mike you've you haven't seen it in a year, but it is really a
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a stunning place.
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I look forward to seeing it.
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Um and those research towers are just as important.
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Saint Jude employs thousands of researchers working across all sorts of aspects of cancer
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treatment and cure research.
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All of these people are way smarter than me.
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But anytime we get to meet them, anytime I get to interact with a
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researcher at St.
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Jude or a research team, I am blown away by their passion for their
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They're there because they want and believe they can defeat childhood cancer and other
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catastrophic disease.
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And these people are doing their life's work, their life's best work at St
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So those research towers are home for them for their work.
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And they're incredible spaces as well.
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We've got to see some of that over the years.
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Um absolutely amazing work being done.
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Uh between those projects, that's a eight hundred and ten million dollar investment that
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Um, really, really incredible.
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But your money goes further than that.
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It goes to paying for meals for families when they're on campus.
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It goes for paying for travel for people who aren't in Memphis.
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I was fortunate.
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My family was fortunate that we were here, that St.
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But But most people have to travel here.
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Jude takes care of all of that for them.
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There's housing on campus and off campus if you're here for extended periods of
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And when family can be together, St.
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So I would strongly urge you to go to Saint Jude dot org slash
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Uh we have a goal of seven hundred thousand dollars this year.
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We are over halfway there, which is absolutely incredible.
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Donors who make an individual gift of $60 or more are eligible to redeem
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a digital bundle of a bunch of wallpapers and a macOS screensaver.
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I can't I gotta cut him off.
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Sometimes I wonder if James has other things that he that he should be
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Um I got a new build of the screensaver yesterday and it's like it's
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Um so an individual gift of sixty bucks or more gets you that.
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Donors making a gift of $100 or more can redeem a Western themed sticker
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pack with all of our characters, which I absolutely adore this year.
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There's lots of other ways you can give.
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You can give through a donor advice fund.
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You can apply for Matching, most people's uh like companies people work for, you
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Companies people work for uh often have a matching program and there's directions on
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Makes your money go even further.
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So we'd love to have you go to Saintju.org slash relay to donate or
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So the rumor wizard Mark Gurman reported about some changes coming to Apple stores.
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One of these is a dedicated genius bar is gonna be making a return,
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Uh the design resembles genius bars of the past, but with an all wooden
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look, and the genius bars and these new avenue bays, avenues what they call
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the kind of like the long tables where they put products.
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They're going to be designed to mesh of existing stores, look better, integrated.
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They're going to have like a pickup area coming to stores as well.
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Uh Stephen, as a former genius, I wanted to get your feeling uh about
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Stephen Hackett, no longer a genius.
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Um, but is here with us now.
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I've been gone a long time.
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But when I was there, I mean it was a long time ago, we
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had a genius bar, we had a point of sale up front.
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You could just like get in line and check out.
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I think the number one complaint people have about the Apple stories of this
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confusing that you walk in, hopefully someone stops you at the door.
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Hey, what are you here for?
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And they direct you, Hey, go to that table.
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And they they have iPad minis.
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And what they're doing is they're like making a little note about, like, oh,
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um, this handsome Italian man with the tattoos is in a black t-shirt.
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And then when it's time for Federico to get his phone fixed, hopefully he's
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in the area they sent him to, but they also have a description of
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It's I mean we've all experienced it.
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It's it's frustrating.
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That is a s it's like a stupid system, right?
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Like that that you write s down the way that somebody looks as a
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way to try and get them their iPhone.
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It's like this doesn't make any sense.
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This is a store.
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Like this it's like, sir, this is an Apple store.
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Like, yeah, yeah.
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And so uh the the rumor is the genius bar is going to return
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instead of the stupid genius grove where you're sitting on chairs chairs just sad
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about your phone.
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Um and dedicated pick a berry would be awesome.
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My store at least has that.
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It's kind of a a table, but then they send you to it, but
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it's like different.
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They change where the table is over time.
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Uh and again someone has to direct you there.
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It it needs to be more traditional.
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And this seems like uh a move towards that, or like there's gonna be
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a place where you can get support and you line up and like all
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these things that normal stores have, the Apple store should have too.
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I think the current system would have worked much better if it was at
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the time I was a genius, like almost 20 years ago now where there
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was as much less volume in the store.
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The stores were just not as busy.
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They are very busy now.
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Even even the Memphis store, you know, we're a small market, the stores always
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And with that increased traffic, you need increased organization and Apple just has not
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So I'm very encouraged by this report.
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Um and I really hope that it uh comes to fruition.
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Something I found interesting is like it seems like in a lot of stores,
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the way that they will add in the space for the genius bar is
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by removing the huge screens that they have.
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Which is just that is an e that is a very big change to
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the way an Apple store looks.
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Like they all have these huge screens in them.
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Um and which are used for various things, whether it's for uh marketing or
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for classes, and they're gonna move the classes to different parts of the stores
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to kinda shrink those down.
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Which doesn't also doesn't surprise me because I feel like I have never seen
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a class in an Apple store at even half of the capacity that they
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have for the classes at the Apple Store.
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P and people don't pay attention to them.
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Like it's it's a good thing to have, but maybe they could scale that
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back a little bit
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give people more of what they actually want.
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Right which is support for their broken products.
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The time has passed, I think, where the Apple store needs to be educational
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to the level that it has been.
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Surely you still need some things, right?
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Like if someone gets their first phone, maybe pull them aside and walk them
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through some stuff.
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Back when I was there, they had the creative program.
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So we had geniuses for support and creative for education.
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And you could sign up for like one-to-one and come in and like learn
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how to use aperture, learn how to keep use keynote.
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Uh an Apple store employee would like help you with your project over time.
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But I think we're mostly past that.
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And the screens and that like sort of like, hey, there's a class, that's
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really also an echo.
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A bunch of original Apple stores, including ours before they renovated it.
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And then they moved it, had a theater in the back.
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And you know what?
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It was pretty cool when Panther came out to sit in the theater and
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watch somebody like show you how brush metal looked.
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Or when Tiger came out, like to do a spotlight demo.
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But again the time has passed for those things.
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So rip those screens out.
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Get that content on YouTube now.
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Get that content.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You get it on your your favorite podcast on relay.fm.
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Just take those screens out, put a genius bar in because a store primarily
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people think of for sales and support, and you need to lean into that.
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That's my soapbox about the Apple store.
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And it seems like they have somebody now who believes that.
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Uh some personal news.
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I'm just kidding.
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Oh, congrats.
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I didn't know you liked Wood so much.
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I I hey, I think so uh the Tyson's Corner store, which is one
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of the the first one, the first one, um, for one of the first
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two to open the first day.
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That's the one that got redone, I think, initially with the the all wood
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design and the they have a genius bar.
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And it looks sick.
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It's beautiful.
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It's beautiful.
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Um our store Here and it was an original Apple store, so it had
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like all the white acrylic and the glass.
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And then Nashville had a mini store.
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Do you remember those?
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They were really narrow and the walls were like all aluminum.
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It's very strange.
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Yeah, I saw a picture of one of those recently.
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It was just closing.
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I think there's like m that may have been the last one.
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And now you have kind of where we are now, and it's time for
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another uh another revision to to what the Apple store is.
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In addition to fixing the Apple store, I have also fixed Apple Care One.
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You did that?
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I did do that.
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You personally?
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Some personal news.
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Apple announced, I don't know when it was, a couple years ago maybe?
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Apple Care One, where where you could have up to three devices on an
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Apple Care plan.
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It was nineteen ninety nine a month and you could swap them in and
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So I had my Mac, my phone, I think my iPad on mine.
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And you get a new phone, you take the old one off, put the
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new one on all done within the settings app.
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Pretty straightforward.
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But there were limitations.
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Um, Syracuse Surrana to this where like if you logged out of a Mac
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into a different user, it would say, Oh no, you you're no longer part
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of Apple Care.
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It's like what is happening?
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And you couldn't do families.
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So I had to have one, my wife had to have one, and it
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was kind of a mess.
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And so they've announced Apple Care one for families.
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The setup is really e was really easy.
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So I went into my phone running I was twenty seven, canceled my Apple
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Care One, applied for Apple Care One for families, and uh I think it
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is running uh
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forty nine bucks a month.
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but I have twenty devices on it.
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So uh and and like my kids' devices, like I was just using just
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the you know, the just the warranty.
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I didn't have Apple Care on those, so that that's probably much better now.
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Um I'm shocked none of my kids have broken a phone.
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You know, you think they'd follow in my footsteps.
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But I added it to my phone.
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And then Mary got a notification like, hey, would you like to be added
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And so I got her laptop and said yes, canceled her Apple Care One.
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We got rebates, like a pro rated rebate for those.
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And then it automatically added my kids' devices because we're in an iCloud family.
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This is obviously the backbone of this.
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And so it added my kids, you know, phones, a couple of iPads, a
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laptop, and got 20 devices on there.
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And they're all listed.
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And I can just go through here and um and see them all.
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Is twenty the amount you can have, or that's just how many you have.
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That's how many we have, uh as a family of five.
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I don't know if there's an upper limit upper limit.
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But um we have twenty devices covered now for the um I mean single
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Surely there has to be, right?
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'Cause like Apple Care One is up to three products.
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So all Apple has said I think, yes, it's $49 a month, thank you.
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Um I think all Apple has said is for eligible devices.
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And I didn't have any
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that weren't eligible that I'm aware of.
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And they FAQ is it as you say, right?
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Apple Care One Family covers all eligible devices for up to six people in
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your family.
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Yeah, which is the limit of iCloud families which should be higher, six is
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not enough people, but whatever.
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I mean that's actually fifty dollars a month is a lot of money, right?
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I think that is a lot of money for a for a subscription.
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But if you have like five people that will have devices and and net
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And now these days, like every single one of those people can have three
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or four things, right?
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And like if they're all covered, that's actually not that bad.
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Yeah, I think it's like two dollars and fifty cents a month per device
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Again, you gotta do your own math, right?
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If it's you and a partner in the iCloud family and each have two
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devices, obviously this isn't a good deal.
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Do the other one.
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Um but for us, I was only doing Mary and I under Apple Care
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One because it was twenty dollars apiece.
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So we were already spending forty dollars a month.
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And so really to add all those other devices that my kids are using,
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um for us, my math, it was it was a good deal.
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Um it all it has theft and loss coverage which is awesome.
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And uh new purchase products are automatically added, which is also a nice benefit.
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With Apple Care One, when you got a new device, it would ask you,
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hey, do you want to add this?
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And if you had something else, you had to go in there and remove
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it, and then you could add the new one.
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It was okay.
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But this being automatic is great.
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Like if you know, in a couple years when I got kids in college
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and you know, say they're still in my iCloud family, that which they probably
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will be for a while, and they get a new phone, like it just
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automatically covers under this, like we don't have to do anything.
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It feels very well, well thought through.
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And so pretty nice.
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So I moved to it.
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It was very smooth.
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I was a little nervous.
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You know, you know how sometimes these things are with a new Apple service.
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You're like, I'm gonna hit the button.
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What's gonna happen?
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But it was totally fine.
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I like the idea of this.
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I could imagine maybe at some point signing up for this, I'm still trying
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to reconcile with my return to getting Apple Care on things after being so
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annoyed at them a few years ago.
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But maybe once I'm a little bit into this.
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But it's like you know, I'm I'm at the moment I'm just getting on
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an iPhone and like the iPhone is like a hundred dollars and that's like
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For an entire year.
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Hundred and fifty for a year.
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So fifty dollars a month feels like a bit much, but And obviously there's
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lots of factors This is not available everywhere.
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Pricing may be different other places.
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It's I have no idea if it's even in the UK it's available.
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So it's um you gotta do all that math.
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You gotta do the math for yourself.
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But it for us it was a good option and uh Oh, it's not
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available in the UK.
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So Okay, that's a bummer.
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Apple Care One is.
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I mean, Apple Care One wasn't initially, I think.
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Like, and so maybe they roll these things out over time.
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Um, but yeah, that's uh
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Apple Care One for families.
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IOS twenty seven point two is out now.
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The beta is for twenty seven point two are available.
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Uh so twenty seven point one is lost.
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They forgot about that one.
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Um it's n we're never gonna see it.
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Doesn't exist.
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Doesn't exist.
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What are you talking about?
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There never was a point one.
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I mean obviously it's you know it's obvious what's happening.
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Twenty seven point one is for the iPhone Duo and for I'm sure various
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reasons they're just not bothering to put that into the beta train, right?
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Either A they don't want people to have access to it right now 'cause
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people will obviously go through and pull things out or B, it's not ready,
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Because they're finishing things off for the duo.
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Or a myriad of other reasons.
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Twenty seven point one will probably never come to the other phones, right?
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Like would would be the thinking.
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Apple's done this kind of stuff before.
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I think with an iPad they did it right where
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ooh can someone help me remember this iPhone OS 3.2 no okay isn't that
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is that not what you're thinking of no there you know what I'm thinking
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of there was an iPad that didn't get the point Oh and it just
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we had to wait and it got point one, which is not exactly the
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same thing that I'm about here anyway.
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But nevertheless, right?
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Like they're they're kinda sh being they're shifting around this one.
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So the twenty seven point two betas are out now.
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Um it's got a bunch of stuff, in it, but there is also the
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other thing of
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twenty-seven point one Xcode twenty seven point one has the details and information and
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simulator and tools that you need to build your phone for the iPhone duo.
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It is not available for developers who would like to build their apps for
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the iPhone Duo, which this feels like a significant oversight to me, uh, why
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that is not available now.
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Um I don't understand what they're doing here because it's surely in Apple's best
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interest to have the developer tools for the iPhone Duo available, but they're just
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not, which is An interesting decision, I'll say
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I think it's all it's all very strange right now because they don't want
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probably just my assumption.
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They don't release firmware files for the duo.
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They don't want those they must have some things that they're still figuring out
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or they must have some things that they haven't.
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And so they don't they want to keep a separate release track for uh
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for the iPhone Duo for the time being because they don't want people poking
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Let me tell you uh from a personal experience, uh and maybe we can
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talk about this later, uh, but especially now with coding agents, the firmware files
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that Apple releases on the Apple Developer website, they are a treasure trove of
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information.
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How do you think all these websites now can find
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I know that people do that stuff.
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I hadn't thought about maybe why there was so much in the last in
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that in that release recently.
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How did you think I was able to get all of the shortcut actions
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and parameters that have changed in iOS 27.
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How do you think I was able to get all of the system icons?
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Like all these things now are open secrets.
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Like the moment they are on the Apple Developer website, 30 minutes later, if
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you're fast mode, maybe even 10 minutes later, you got the entire thing decrypted
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and diffed, and you can see everything that is in there.
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So if Apple hasn't said some particular thing about the iPhone dual, I also
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wouldn't want to put the firmware or the official support in the currently shipping,
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you know, two developers um file.
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So it's pretty wild that it's still like today they're having developer stream streams
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about the duo, but you can't follow along.
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You couldn't have come with questions because no one has their hands on.
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Like I get it, but y they are putting developers in the kind of
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a and I I know they don't, you know, that's something we care about,
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not something they care about as much.
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But it is, I think, really frustrating.
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Oh of course.
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But but you know, and that versus like whatever secrecy they still want around
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this, or they just don't you know, like Federica said, maybe they're not quite
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done or they have something they're not ready to show.
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That takes priority, clearly, but that's a bit of a a bummer.
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It's it creates a not great situation.
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'Cause it they will obviously have to release it before some point.
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They have it I think they said it it's By the before the end
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of the month, I think.
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They said they will release it.
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I don't know.
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But m I could see you know, maybe it is a little of like
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it's not ready yet and a little bit of like we don't want we
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don't want all these people digging out all the videos and stuff, right?
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Like the all the help videos and all this kind of stuff.
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But it's going to happen at some point, no matter when you do it.
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But yeah, it ends up in this weird scenario.
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27.2 beta one has a bunch of little features in in it which some
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are interesting.
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Um I will say actually twenty seven point two beta one on the watch
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has the new health app.
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Oh and on the phone too, right?
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Like has the new health app.
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That's interesting.
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Um I'm I'm actually very keen to try that out.
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I I think I might when I get my Apple Watch, I might put
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my new phone on twenty seven point two 'cause I'm I'm I'm really keen
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to see the new health app experience.
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Uh it also has profiles in the T V app, so uh on the
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phone, like how the Apple TV has profiles.
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They're bringing that to the iPhone app, um, which is good for like kids
00:35:43
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and stuff, right?
00:35:44
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Like you're you're choosing like kids' content and your your uh your content.
00:35:48
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Um full screen artwork in the podcast app.
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So the podcast app looks more like the music app.
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The artwork.
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It like stretches all the way down.
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I'm very keen to see how that looks, um, because I want I want
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to know how they're generating that.
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Um so that's gonna be interesting.
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It's probably they're probably just using the extent feature from photos.
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I can I can actually shed some light on that.
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So a while probably a couple years ago, we were asked to submit specific
00:36:20
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artwork based on a template to Apple Podcasts.
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And so if you go look at Connected and in Apple Podcasts, there's Globe.
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And I think we I used a blue background and it sort of fades
00:36:31
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maybe there's gonna be another request or another format of artwork we have to
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I know that even the artwork we have now is like sort of janky
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in some places, like like at least in the podcast app on on Golden
00:36:42
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Gate, I think when I was doing my screenshots, it looked a little funny.
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So who who knows?
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I mean, they can do some stuff programmatically, but if they need files from
00:36:52
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like every podcaster, then this is not gonna look awesome on day one.
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I I believe that with the Apple Music thing, some of that is done
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programmatically, but then they do have a format that either they or an artist
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or a label can use to extend artwork or to animate artwork more
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in a more customized fashion.
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So maybe there'll be levels to this, but I am glad they're bringing it
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in more in line with the music app.
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Okay, they they should feel like cousins more than they do.
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Um the call contacts feature is in twenty seven point two.
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I actually didn't know that that wasn't twenty seven, so this is when No,
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you wait, wait, wait.
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It is in twenty seven.
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I showed it off in my review.
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I haven't got to have a part of your review yet on like a
00:37:41
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quarter of the way through.
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I think they added added anniversary alerts.
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There you go.
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I apologize.
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So there you go.
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That's that's one thing that wasn't in there, but they added it in there.
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Well, I cannot believe you don't read my blog.
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I'm into the series section.
00:37:55
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So like I'm into it.
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I'm I'm I'm in I'm into it.
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I wish can show you my uh page count if you want to.
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I'm obviously kidding.
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I know you are, but I just I don't want you to think I'm
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not reading it because I am reading it.
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Not only am I reading it, I have a daily repeating task in to
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do a system.
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Okay, now you now you're overdoing it.
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I believe you.
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Yeah, he's selling it too hard now.
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Take it a screenshot and I'm sending it too
00:38:18
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Well is Reed Teaches Review.
00:38:20
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Yeah, why don't you also give me why don't you also give me two
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hundred bucks?
00:38:23
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Okay, I'll I'll wire it to you immediately.
00:38:25
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Do an Apple Cash request and I'll and I'll send that to you whenever
00:38:28
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whenever you need it.
00:38:30
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Um CarPlay Ultra themes.
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Man, thank goodness thing that's like just has not and will not ever go
00:38:38
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anywhere, right?
00:38:39
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Like that just not happening.
00:38:40
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Siri AI is available in a bunch of other languages.
00:38:43
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Um yeah, that's about it.
00:38:46
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Yeah, it's it's You know, last year last couple of years after the debacle
00:38:51
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with WBC and and Apple Intelligence the first time around, they were like only
00:38:57
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announcing things that were shipping for sure in the point oh and you know,
00:39:02
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some of that stuff didn't m happen this time, but I don't feel bad
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This feels like how things used to work.
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Like, yeah, some things will be in well, I guess in this case the
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Um, totally fine.
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Like I don't think anything has like dis has been like disappeared from the
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Apple site, not not shipping at any point.
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So I don't think it's any big deal.
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at all, really.
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That was awkward.
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It's kinda weird.
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Just gonna leave it in.
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Leave it in.
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Leave it in.
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What is wrong with you?
00:39:38
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Why are you why do you insist on making the show worse for our
00:39:41
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I'm making it more um no.
00:39:45
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You gotta be good.
00:39:48
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iPhone 18 Pro reviews are out.
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Joanna Stern did a great video.
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Marquez did a great video.
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Our friend Tyler Stallman.
00:39:54
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Hit I always look forward to Tyler's.
00:39:56
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He does the photography review.
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I I g always learn things.
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It was great.
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This is my favorite video this year was Tyler's.
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Tyler's yeah.
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He does a good job.
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Which I also saw the John just linked on Mac stories.
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So thank you.
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John must agree.
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Let me see if John agrees.
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Let me see what John says.
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I'm gonna go find out what John says.
00:40:14
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Also, don't miss Tyler Stallman's review of the iPhone Pro and Pro Max on
00:40:18
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Dy Tyler always does a fantastic job with his reviews and this year's review
00:40:21
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doesn't disappoint covering pictures like John agrees.
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John agrees.
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John agrees.
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Yeah, thank you, John.
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Thank you, John.
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Uh, we'll get to some of the camera stuff, but some high-level stuff first.
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People are mixed on burgundy.
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You surprised?
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Because it doesn't look nice.
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Yeah, that'll I don't it's not for me.
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I really don't like it.
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Yeah it's not for me.
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How do we say it in Italian, Federico?
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Borgogna, yeah.
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Is that what it says on the Italian?
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Which which you know, which you know, yeah, I think so.
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Which you know it's funny because Borgogna sounds like vergogna which is the word
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that means shame.
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So shame phones.
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Oh, it's my shame phone.
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Shame phone.
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That's the duo.
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I'm the Italian website right now to just check and I love that Priorda
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is Priodina.
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Yeah, it's Borgogna G G Ghiaccio, that's glacier, Argento and Nero.
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Nero is good.
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I like Nero.
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I think the Burgundy actually looks cool.
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Like maybe I'm an outlier.
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I think it looks nice.
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I a lot of people like it.
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Like I I'm seeing people talk about it and like it.
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Like on Instagram and stuff like that.
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I I d I don't like it and I think it is more divisive
00:41:41
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and I think it is
00:41:43
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to me, I I think it is made worse by the color that it
00:41:46
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is replacing, right?
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That orange was so good.
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Um and yeah, I th I what I think is I don't like the
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darkness of it.
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I think I would like it if it was maybe a bit more vibrant,
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but there you go.
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Then it wouldn't Bulgaria, would it?
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So it would not it would be it would not be.
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Stallman had a good point in his video about the cosmic orange, which I
00:42:08
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think is like an S tier phone color.
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We should we should tier phone colors at some point, but that would take
00:42:15
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It would take I mean, we got nothing but time.
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The the problem with it was though, it would it like you could see
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its reflection.
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Like if you were filming with it and it could cast color because it's
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again bright orange.
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And they're really the darkest one last year was that dark navy blue.
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And this year of course they've got a black one, which I think looks
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really sick.
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I think that thing is gonna be uh be awesome in And that thing
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about the the reflection in the windows, that just feels like a problem for
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people like Tyrell Stallman, right?
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Like I would never see that.
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I would never see it.
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It was very hard for me to see it in the imagery that he
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But obviously he is aware because he is a professional photographer.
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That's right.
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Like he can see that.
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But like I think most people are are never gonna see that.
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But he is making his review for p for professional photographers, so it makes
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sense to bring it up.
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Um Yeah, I mean that's that's through the the the lens of his work.
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He really had to re reflect on it.
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Please stop.
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Just please stop.
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A bunch of people I mean Tyler I think included a little bit, but
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definitely the other reviewers the say the variable aperture actually isn't that big of
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a deal like when you have the phone in your hand, which is it
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is interesting.
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I think it's like most stuff with Apple's camera head hardware is like they
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will do a thing, it has a minimal impact and it pays off over
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a longer period of time.
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Because M KBHD said this in his video of like where this would be
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the most interesting is if the sensor was larger.
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And so you do this now and then over time the sensors get larger
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and it becomes just more and more of a benefit over time.
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So like, you know, it's like do you remember when they went to the
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they had that like image stabilization that I did in one phone where like
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this is gonna be a huge deal and it's like it was okay, but
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then it's like it pays off just over time.
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Like it just gets better and like a little bit better.
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I think we are way past the
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way past the timeline where anything can happen in a phone camera that makes
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a massive difference.
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Like I I think we have passed that now just because of how complicated
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these things are and how much space they have to play with them.
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Um, that like there isn't really massive differences that you can make.
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So you can get something like the Tetraprism lens, right?
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It's a great you've got a longer zoom.
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You can't put that in the iPhone Air or the foldable.
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It's it's too it's too beefy.
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So I I think the I'm happy that I have this.
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It will clearly give me more options.
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I think it looks like it can do some interesting stuff.
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I like that they've made some images uh they made some changes to the
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sensors in the iPhone.
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It means that like images are sharper, they need night mode less often, this
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stuff that Tyler was saying.
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So there's a benefit there.
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And then, you know, you just figure that the rest of it just kind
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of kind of works itself out over time.
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But it's not a huge as you say, it's not a huge impact.
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It does kind of bring up for me the old desire for Apple just
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to make a camera.
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I mean like if they could just unlock, right?
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Like if you if you remove the phone, you unlock it and just do
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whatever you want.
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Like what can they do?
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Like Like i a p a point and shoot camera size, but with their
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technology, I think would be pretty, pretty cool.
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No, you gotta start petitioning it to new CEO John Tennis.
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Maybe you'll do it.
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I'll fix that next.
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One thing the variable aperture does give you, and maybe the place where it's
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most noticeable is depth of field.
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And so st uh Stallman had in his video the shot of like a
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cowboy and a horse was signed up behind him like in the frame.
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And by default, basically the cowboy would be in focus and the horse would
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And if you do adjust that aperture, you can get both into focus or
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you can do group shots better.
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Like there are benefits to it.
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It's just not night and day because of the the the tiny nature um
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nature of these things.
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But the the pro control stuff where you can have quicker access to a
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lot of settings, I think is most compelling to somebody like Tyler, where you
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can really dial in stuff.
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And some of the stuff is new, some of it was hidden before.
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Apple's taking a step in the direction of, you know, pro level uh tools
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Um, I do wonder if normal people will be confused by this stuff or
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like, you know, just basically you can ignore it if you don't if you
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don't want it, it's a little run cover to me.
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I mean, I don't know what the um the default is, but I would
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expect that all of that stuff is just turned off.
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By default, right?
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And you'd have to add in the things that you want.
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I I can't imagine that they put manual white balance adjustment in the camera
00:47:07
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app for everyone that buys an iPhone Pro.
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But um they are moving into the territory of uh of some of these
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these other apps.
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Um and Mike, your favorite feature, photographic styles, got some updates.
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Yeah, I can't wait.
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So you they're they've added in like the I think it's called texture, but
00:47:28
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like it can add grain and stuff, which is something that I like to
00:47:30
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add to images that so I'm excited to try out.
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I don't know if I would um put this in the the like the
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standard photographic style that I use um for every photo.
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I can imagine I would maybe add it into images later, but we'll see.
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Like I'm I'm really keen to play around with it.
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I think it looks you know in some of the images that that Tyler
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was sharing, I think it looks really great.
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Like and so I'm I'm very excited about that.
00:47:56
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So I'm gonna play around with that.
00:47:57
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Um so look forward to hearing about it.
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I think this is just on the new phones, right?
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That I think?
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I believe so.
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I mean is I've I've I've taken a look on my phone and I
00:48:08
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can't see it now, so I think it might just be on the it
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might it might just be on the new phones.
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Maybe it's a a function of the new processor or that's how they're locking
00:48:15
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it off, which is a think of thing they did with photographic styles in
00:48:18
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the first place place.
00:48:19
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Uh so yeah, I'm excited to play around with it, even though I know
00:48:22
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that at least thirty-three percent of this podcast really doesn't like photographic styles.
00:48:27
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And uh I'm intrigued to see what the the the like the grain uh
00:48:31
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kind of control will do to my images.
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Yeah, it's not for me, but it's cool that's getting better.
00:48:37
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Sixty six percent then.
00:48:38
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Sixty six percent of people don't like photographic styles on this podcast.
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the the sort of we're reaching for that film look.
00:48:47
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I mean it it it is gonna it does fall down in some places.
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I think Tyler's opinion that was kind of mixed.
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But that is something a lot of people want.
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Like there's whole cameras, right?
00:48:57
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Like Fujifilm's whole thing is we're gonna emulate these old looks.
00:49:02
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And anytime Apple like brings that into the camera app, m obviously more people
00:49:06
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are gonna see it and use it, because most people aren't gonna use a
00:49:09
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third-party camera app.
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But it is uh it's fascinating that it's um
00:49:15
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Maybe is I think it's better than I thought it would be.
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I think would be my takeaway from watching Tyler's video.
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But you know, we we'll see once we get these things in hand.
00:49:23
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People want to add character to their images.
00:49:27
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Yeah, that's why you use it, right?
00:49:28
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You you found a look that you like and you want your photos to
00:49:32
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all have that look.
00:49:33
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Yeah, I like things to look a little bit warmer than what the iPhone
00:49:36
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will produce naturally.
00:49:38
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And so I get that.
00:49:40
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Can we talk about the fact that and I don't know if it's been
00:49:43
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the same for you guys, but in my experience, anecdotally, in real life, nobody
00:49:48
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cares about the AT Pro this year.
00:49:50
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I'm not surprised about it though, right?
00:49:52
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And everybody just like I have been asked like multiple, multiple times already about
00:49:59
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the iPhone Duo.
00:50:00
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Yeah I th I think it's only natural, obviously.
00:50:03
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I think Apple knows given the the billboards and the marketing campaigns that they've
00:50:08
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Um It I I posted immediately like during the keynote that the iPhone 18
00:50:15
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Pro after the duo kind of felt like the iPhone 8 after the iPhone
00:50:21
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I mean it does feel like that.
00:50:22
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Yeah, absolutely.
00:50:23
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But it was kind of a joke in the moment, but now I think
00:50:26
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it feels more and more like that.
00:50:28
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The difference is the eighteen pro is still gonna be a master success.
00:50:31
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Where like other phones that this has happened to maybe were not.
00:50:36
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Like because I wouldn't say m I wouldn't say mass.
00:50:38
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No, it's gonna be a massive success.
00:50:40
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Like mm the the percentage of people that will not buy an eighteen pro
00:50:44
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to buy an Ophon Duo is tiny.
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And and the the pro does really well.
00:50:50
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It's their b it's their best selling phone, the pro line.
00:50:53
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So like there's we'll find out, right?
00:50:55
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Like it will be obvious to see.
00:50:57
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But that they this phone, those phones are gonna sell great.
00:51:01
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Like they're not gonna have a problem with it.
00:51:02
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They're just not exciting, right?
00:51:04
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Like they are not exciting at all compared to the duo.
00:51:08
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But like if you look at what they've done here, this is a regular
00:51:11
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Like this is the year we would have gotten no matter what, because they
00:51:14
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did a big redesign last year.
00:51:15
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Like this would have just been the 18 Pro line.
00:51:18
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Like without the duo, like they would have done this and it's like, okay,
00:51:22
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'cause sometimes all you get in the phones is a little bit better camera,
00:51:25
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some new colours, more battery.
00:51:27
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And like that's essentially what this phone is.
00:51:30
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But next to it is like one of the most exciting iPhones of all
00:51:35
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So of course no one's paying any attention to it.
00:51:38
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No one cares about the 18 Pro, right?
00:51:40
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Like they just don't care about it.
00:51:41
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But it's it kind of makes me I'm the comparison that I will draw
00:51:47
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is Spider-Man Brand New Day and the Odyssey.
00:51:51
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Everyone's talking about the Odyssey, right?
00:51:53
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Everyone's gonna go see the Odyssey.
00:51:55
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We're gonna go see it.
00:51:56
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Gotta go see it in IMAX.
00:51:59
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Like everyone's gonna see it.
00:52:00
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And that film made a load of money.
00:52:02
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No one was really talking about Spider-Man Brand New Day.
00:52:05
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And that film is one of the most successful movies of all time.
00:52:09
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No, people were talking about Spider Man, come on.
00:52:11
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They were talking about it, but not like how to talk about Odyssey.
00:52:14
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Like everyone you can't move on the phone.
00:52:16
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So you're seeing the duo is Odyssey and the eighteen pro is Spider Man
00:52:19
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is that's your that okay.
00:52:21
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That like the eighteen pro is the phone for quote unquote everybody.
00:52:26
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Like it's the phone that people are just gonna buy and like they're not
00:52:28
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really that excited about it, but it's iPhone that they want because it's just
00:52:33
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Like it's it's the thing that you buy.
00:52:35
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And the duo is like, wow, like this is like a whole experience.
00:52:38
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Imagine what this is gonna feel like.
00:52:40
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Like everyone wants to try and, you know, like I want to experience this
00:52:44
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thing, but it's not not everyone's gonna see it because you can only you
00:52:48
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should only everyone says you've got to see it on the seventy millimeter IMAX,
00:52:51
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you can't get tickets for that.
00:52:52
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It's three hours long, right?
00:52:54
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Like it's you know it it's it's uh classic is anyone gonna understand what
00:53:00
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is happening, right?
00:53:00
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Like that's how I would compare it so between those two things of like
00:53:05
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Spider Man is for everyone, like the eighteen pro and the Odyssey is the
00:53:09
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duo, which is like everyone's in interested in it, but they're not gonna go
00:53:14
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This just sounds like Spider Man propaganda, honestly.
00:53:17
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I mean Spider Man I think is the third most is the third highest
00:53:20
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grossing movie of all time and is the highest gross in American movie of
00:53:25
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Yeah, don't don't say anything about Spider Man, Steven, in front of Mike ever
00:53:29
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Apparently not.
00:53:30
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I love Spider-Man.
00:53:30
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I love Spider Man.
00:53:31
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But I'm actually saying Spider Man is boring to the world, is what I'm
00:53:35
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Like it's a thing that like it's not draw not drawing the amount of
00:53:38
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conversation out and comparing it to the pro, which we're saying is the more
00:53:41
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boring phone.
00:53:43
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It is interesting that there there already are ads in the world for the
00:53:47
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duo, which you can't till next month.
00:53:49
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Ridic it's like a ridiculous decision.
00:53:53
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And the and the uh the iPhone Air never got a single ad, as
00:53:57
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far as I could tell.
00:54:00
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Which is sad.
00:54:02
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It's very strange.
00:54:04
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It is interesting because the iPhone Air drew a lot of attention last year.
00:54:09
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Like even if Apple didn't give it, right?
00:54:11
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Like the the view numbers on YouTube videos for reviews, the air took the
00:54:15
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majority of that.
00:54:17
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Because people were interested in it.
00:54:19
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But this thing is like on a whole different level.
00:54:21
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Um it's gonna be fascinating and it's gonna be really hard to get one.
00:54:25
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I think that's probably true.
00:54:27
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Yeah, they're gonna sell them out.
00:54:28
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Like they will sell them out because you've got all the early adopters are
00:54:32
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gonna want one and then you're you are going to have a portion of
00:54:36
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people who would not be an early adopter who would be like, I I'm
00:54:40
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excited about this technology, I would like to try, and they're gonna they're gonna
00:54:43
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So I I think this phone will be the most successful new phone that
00:54:47
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they've maybe ever had, right?
00:54:49
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Like outside of the you know, the ten or whatever.
00:54:52
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You know, like it's something being added to the lineup.
00:54:55
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Like it's gonna do better than the plus, it's gonna do better than the
00:54:57
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mini, is gonna do better than the air.
00:55:00
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It's it's so curious.
00:55:02
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Uh we just don't uh I don't know if I'd go that far.
00:55:05
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I think it will be successful for them, but I I also think that
00:55:10
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it may be weirdly shaped that the early adopter crowd will be a big
00:55:17
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push, but then will it will it slow down?
00:55:20
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Will it be okay, like this is for people who I mean, one, they
00:55:24
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have and want to spend the money on it, which is a self selecting
00:55:28
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But then maybe it's it's
00:55:31
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most people don't understand the benefit of it or aren't gonna s I mean,
00:55:35
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or aren't gonna spend the money on it and or maybe wanna wait 'til
00:55:38
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Like I just I think the shape of it may be really different to
00:55:42
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things we've seen in the past.
00:55:45
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Yeah, and I think that shape is gonna be to the moon.
00:55:47
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I think they're gonna sell so many of these phones.
00:55:49
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Like I know the price is expensive, but people spread it out over like
00:55:53
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two or three years that it becomes less of a thing.
00:55:55
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Oh especially now, right?
00:55:56
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They've made they've made it even easier to do.
00:55:58
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Yeah but I mean people buying for the carrier, right?
00:56:01
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And like the carrier doesn't want you to pay them for the phone up
00:56:04
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They want you to spread that phone cost out over multiple years.
00:56:07
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Makes it more uh achievable, right?
00:56:09
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It's uh I I think that this phone's gonna be a big success.
00:56:14
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We mentioned iOS twenty-seven point two earlier, but that's not to overshadow the other
00:56:21
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twenty-seven twenty seven releases that were just uh earlier this week.
00:56:24
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So Federico, you've got reviews up on Mac stories.
00:56:27
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Uh Jason and Dan wrote a bunch of stuff over at Six Colors.
00:56:30
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Um Federico, I'd love to get your sort of top level iOS, iPad OS
00:56:35
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twenty seven feeling.
00:56:37
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Oh, there's not much to say about iPad OS twenty seven, right?
00:56:40
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I mean it's uh couple of menu bar tweaks
00:56:44
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and uh some keyboard shortcuts here and there.
00:56:48
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Um some of the shortcuts automations are especially useful on the iPad.
00:56:52
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They're not iPad exclusive,
00:56:55
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but you know the keyboard automation trigger is especially nice on the iPad when
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you combine it with the magic keyboard, for example.
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So it's mostly about iOS.
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And I think I I think overall the
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Mike chuckled when I sent it to him, uh geographically ambiguous release.
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In the sense that if you live in America and or if you are
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in one of the support regions for Siri AI, um I think it's an
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exciting update.
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I think uh especially I think Apple has done a nice job um
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sticking the landing with Siri AI.
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They made it work.
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It's not perfect.
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Um the indexing
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Has to become something that Apple keeps improving over the next few years, especially
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with with uh new hardware.
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Um it still takes too long for especially when you're uh it's it's quite
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ironic that Apple is saying you can get all of these third party apps
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to work in Siri AI, but if you go to the App Store, download
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a third party app and then try to use it immediately with Siri AI,
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it doesn't work because it's it's not indexed right away.
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Um so that that that has to become something that gets fixed eventually, right?
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Um But I think overall uh it does work.
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And especially once the indexing is done and up to date, uh you can
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get some pretty pretty great results from C AI with your email.
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Uh obviously some things still work locally, like if you ask to set a
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timer or if you control home kit devices, um it all happens locally on
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I think it's a little bit of a miracle that the company that was
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two years more than two years late to the promises um came out with
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this very lofty goal of a system orchestrator that handles like five different models
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and everybody and everybody was like, Yeah, sure.
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Uh sure, Craig, you're gonna make it work by September.
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And they did.
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I mean, by all means it does work.
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Um, so that's impressive.
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It shows that the original ideas that they had were good ideas.
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They just did not have the technology
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to make them work, right?
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Yeah, and and and arguably
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They they barely made it work.
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Like I I think they got a model that is just good enough to
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make it work.
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Those foundation models, even the cloud pro model, the the big fancy one in
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private cloud computers, like it's not a it's not a good model.
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It's good enough for what's needed right now.
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They have a good uh I found more surprising, honestly, how surprisingly good the
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Apple world knowledge database can be, more so than the quality of Cloud Pro.
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So I think they're gonna, it's gonna be interesting to see how frequently Apple
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deploys new models.
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I guess that's the part that they can do more easily, right?
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Especially the cloud models.
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So in th yes.
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So the usually these these the other AI companies, the way that they do
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it is um so they release new models, but then for for in for
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these models they also update their checkpoints every once in a while.
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Uh but they're very open about it, right?
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And so I don't think Apple is gonna be open about the fact that
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Cloud Pro, you know, version one point two is out or version two point
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zero is out.
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Um I would be very surprised if they share any more details about the
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actual models.
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Um but I think overall
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they had the right shape for it two years ago.
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Uh they just need a they just needed a reset and I think you
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know hats off to the people who work on the system orchestrator that creating
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a really good router for AI models, especially when you're dealing with different flavors
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of models running on device for some devices and different models running in the
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that's not easy.
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And from I think from everything we've seen, it works well.
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I would also say that iOS twenty seven is just a really good version
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From a design perspective, they polished a lot of things.
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From a performance perspective, they've done a lot of work.
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It is, I think
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in recent years the best performing version of iOS with the with the you
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know nothing is ever bug free, right?
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Um but it is the most stable version of iOS.
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Has been especially on J one.
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Especially yeah.
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Even developer developer beta one.
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And and I I installed the beta of twenty seven point two yesterday.
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It's even nicer.
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Like it feels even speedier than 27.0 so whatever process they have now I'm
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sure that Apple engineers are getting some some assistance from coding agents like everybody
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else at this point.
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Um, but whatever system they have put in place, it's working, I think.
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And then it's just a nice update, I will say, you know, to complete
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this type trifecta of series performance and If you're an iPhone nerd, to just
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a bunch of smaller nice changes and tweaks here and there throughout the system,
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like small features, small additions, you know, obviously big update to shortcuts with natural
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I saw that they're I saw a post this morning that they're working on
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letting you create
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shortcuts with natural language with third party apps.
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Uh there's a there's a hidden flag already in 27.2 that you can enable
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and describe a shortcut will happily make a third party app shortcut for you.
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So that's nice.
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Yeah that's a g that's a big oversight in the first version, right?
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I don't know.
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There's just a a a whole bunch of changes here and there.
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Notes getting markdown support.
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I you know, it even a markdown mention in the splash screen of the
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notes app when you open it up for the first time.
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I mean I would have guessed.
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Um, you know, uh photos as a camera role again, sort of, like it's
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a filter that you need to enable manually.
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Hopefully they make it an option uh as a default at some point.
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I think overall it's a it's just a nice version of iOS.
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Uh most people outside of supported regions will find it boring.
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Uh my friends updated and said, okay, so what's new?
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And that's a typical sign that you know it doesn't resonate with most people
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the way that like a splashy redesign did last year.
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Um they don't have access to the new series, so that's a shame.
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Um I think it I I think the best version of iOS is the
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one that of iOS twenty seven is the one that's in America right now.
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And I feel more positive about it now than I did in June, and
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I'm pretty happy with what Apple delivered.
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Yeah, I mean I I echo everything you're saying.
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Obviously I've not I use it but I don't use it to the level
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that you use it.
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I don't know if anybody does.
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Um but I've been very happy with iOS and I and I've you know
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I've spoken on this show and upgrade and everywhere.
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Like I am I am a big fan of Siri AI.
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Like I think that they have done a very, very good job at creating
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the tool that needs to be on the iPhone.
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Like I think it it does the job.
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I I'm disappointed with the third party app support uh so far.
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Now I said this on upgrade that I I'm frustrated with the fact that
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you need to call out the name of the app, the third party apps
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that you want to use.
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You know, you like, show me my tasks in this.
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And somebody reached out to me from Apple and said, the system learns.
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Yes, it does.
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I it takes a while.
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I believe that, but that doesn't feel like the experience that I want, right?
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Like why can't I just tell the system and then I don't have to
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think about it anymore?
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Like at what point how will I know that I have to stop saying
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saying show me my tasks and to doist or add this task to to
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doist like there's no way of me knowing that the system has learned that
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unless there is an exchange between me and Siri that explains this, right?
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Which I doubt that it does.
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I doubt that it goes one day.
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Oh, by the way, I know you mean to do this now, whenever you
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want to add a task.
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So like there's no way of me knowing, right?
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I think it would be good to have some kind of experience where you
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can set some defaults, even if it is as simple as you just giving
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the command to the system one day, right?
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And like and it's just got that taken care of.
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So you know, like it's but I'm happy that they've that they have thought
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about it, right, to the point that like the system can understand it.
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Like that is a a positive, but I would like to see them take
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the the final step with that.
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Um but but just for like doing things with your device, like it's it
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is brilliant what it can do b because it has access to the two
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biggest sources of data in my life that I can't really deal with, which
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is my email and my eye messages.
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Like just that alone,
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it becomes a better memory than I will ever have.
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Like so it's I'm very, very impressed with it and continue to be.
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Um I've yet to really use serie ai on my Mac.
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I only I I I I installed Golden Gate like on Monday.
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Um but I don't know why, but it's like it feels more like an
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iPhone experience to me than a Mac experience, like to ask these kinds of
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But maybe I just need to try and like ingrain that into my into
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my workflows.
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But yeah, I I like it a lot.
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But yes, going back to IOS, uh I feel bad for people that can't
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get serious, honestly.
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Like I I think that it's a real bummer and I don't know what
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the solution is at this point, but I I really hope that they can
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find one and the recent ch the recent kind of like DMA settlement gives
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me hope that there is some kind of thing in on the horizon for
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users in the European Union to be able to get access to Syria if
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they want it.
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Hope that's the case.
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I want to talk about Golden Gate a little bit.
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Obviously, it does a much better job with liquid glass than Tahoe did.
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I think Mike's got some notes about that in a second.
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The thing that is sort of Bugging me at the moment, well, two things.
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menu bar managers are all just broken.
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Apple really changed how the menu bar works.
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the the fix would be let me put classic menu bar apps into control
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But you can't.
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You can only put newfangled controls in there.
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And that's not enough for a lot of these menu bar apps that do
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a lot of things.
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Apple did ha or does have in Golden Gate a little menu bar shorteners
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if you have a notch or a narrow screen, but you have very little
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control over how it actually works.
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And if you want something sort of always visible, um good luck.
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It it that is my favorite feature in Golden Gate.
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But it's chaos.
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Like let me have control over it.
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Like if you have a lot of stuff.
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Yeah, I I I got rid of lots of stuff from my menu bar
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when all the apps started breaking.
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So like I don't have that many things in there, But it was too
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many for my laptop.
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Like if I would start timery, it would push everything out because timery can
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get quite long, right?
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But that's what I wanted to do.
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So then they would just be gone.
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There was nothing I could do on my MacBook A.
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Like they were just gone.
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Uh and so I like that now I can press that little button and
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see what's hidden under the notch.
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Can't believe it took 'em this long, but I'm happy that they did it.
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Yeah I mean the the notch machines have been out what, like Years.
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Five years or something.
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It's going back to like the M one MacBook Pro.
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Not not ideal.
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Um M1 Pro Mightp Pro.
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One and then they ful put the fourteen inch in.
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That's right.
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The uh so uh you know, that'll get worked out over time, I think.
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The other issue that has really sort of drive me me nuts is this
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I guess it's a security feature.
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You get notifications says app running in background.
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So I put a screenshot in our show notes.
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It said Adobe Photoshop 2026 dot app.
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That's in quotes.
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Is running in the background.
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You can manage background apps in the doc and in system settings.
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So for a couple years now, you can tell Apple or tell macOS, uh,
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I don't want this app running in the background.
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Likewise, you can say I don't want this app visible in the menu bar.
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it's this middle step is not what I want.
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Like this happened because I had closed my last Photoshop document.
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It's still running.
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I want it running because I'm in and out of Photoshop all the time.
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I don't need to be reminded that it's still running.
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And what's weirder is in the doc, you know, in the doc you get
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little dots if an app is running, which is optional for some reason.
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These apps that macOS has determined are running in the background get a 50%
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opacity dot,
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which I guess is logical within the system, but the system is bad.
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Like maybe have this on for standard users, but I run as an administrator.
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Like I I understand that just because an app doesn't have any windows in
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it, it's still running.
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And you c as far as I can tell, you can't turn it off.
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See I thought that this was for when apps are doing things that you
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don't want 'em to do, kind of thing.
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But it in this case, like Photoshop literally just was sitting there with no
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open windows.
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I don't understand why you know maybe they're gonna find out.
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Like I've chosen that.
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I did have this for Photoshop when I quit it.
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It popped back up again.
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That was when I saw it.
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And I think it was updating.
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It was dude.
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Adobe was doing whatever the on earth Adobe does on my computer all the
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Uh it was doing something there.
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And then I just manually quit it from there again.
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Like n this is after I quit the app.
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So like I s that's the only experience I've had of it so far.
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And I was like, that's interesting.
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Um but if I was doing what you're doing, if I've just like got
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just closed all my windows, it's like the app is running like it's supposed
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It's not running in background.
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Like it It's a choice that you have made as a user.
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I keep getting that Intel thing too, and it's stressing me out.
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I have yeah, because this is the last so Rosetta is not installed by
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default with Golden Gate on a clean install.
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And it is the last version of Mac OS that is going to support
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Rosetta 2 at all.
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And they are really hitting home that that's the case.
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And it's freaking me out, man, because there's some apps that I got in
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there that I just don't do anything about it and then and then I
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don't know what I'm gonna do when they stop working.
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And it's stressing me out.
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I have uh I think
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I know like the software for my label printer is in there.
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Um I think that's the main one that I have still but a bunch
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of Logitech software is in there, but maybe I just haven't
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software because I never really want to touch the Logitech software.
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So that's one the um I use an app called webcam settings that can
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let me change the hertz rate on the camera because
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Apple just think that you don't need to worry about that, even though you
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absolutely do, because of Wiser Camera Flickers.
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Then I also have the Family Feud app.
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When we play Family Feud.
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So I don't know what we're gonna do there because the people that make
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insist that they must be made in Adobe Air.
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And so I don't know what we're gonna do uh past this year.
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So that'd be fun.
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You just have we have an old machine running, you know.
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If only we knew someone who had old computers.
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Don't I yeah, I don't know.
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So I I I get it.
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I think like a lot of things in Mac OS, this may get dialed
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I mean, do you remember f uh Jason I think sort of sort of
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famously had that post where he took a screenshot of a Mac after an
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update or after a migration maybe and it was just all notifications about security
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I I think they can find a middle ground here or let an admin
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turn it off because it's driving me bananas.
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I think I might be the only person
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who runs their Mac in dark mode all the time.
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Because boy is dark mode looks really different and I don't think I like
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it, uh, in in Golden Gate.
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So I I went on this great website uh called five hundred and twelve
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pixels and they put together the screenshot library and it shows clearly what I
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want you to look at is if you look at the menu uh like
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the the the menu, like there's there's a uh y any of the menus.
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I I've pulled out something here.
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I think this is I don't remember what this uh image is, but it's
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like showing a bunch of windows, the Nuts app and it shows a a
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menu that Stephen Ball.
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Yeah, that is what is this image?
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Is it called it's called appearance?
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So I show the different colors.
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So you have pulled the custom color for my MacBook Neo and then multicolor
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from the year before.
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And I always do little Easter eggs in the notes.
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So this year's note is about the Golden Gate.
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Last year's note is about the Chevrolet Tahoe.
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I really like it.
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But can you see the color difference in the in the menu?
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The it's bronzier.
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Now part of that is it's right.
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Well part of it is this is dark mode is really affected by your
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wallpaper, more so than light mode.
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And so this looks bronzier, but I think that's because of the wallpaper primarily.
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Ignor ignore the wallpaper because I can tell you I have not changed my
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The the thing that is going on here is all of the menus, so
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the contextual menus, the menus from the menu bar, they're way that that that
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Bright visually.
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So it doesn't feel in keeping with dark mode.
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Like they they've brightened the menus.
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And I and and it's it looks very jarring to me.
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And I don't really know why they've done this, like it and it's not
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affected by the transparency situation.
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Um like you know, like the amount of clearness.
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Like it it's just they seem to have brightened it.
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So I don't like that, but I'm gonna get used to that.
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It's noticeable to me right now because I've just upgraded my Mac, right?
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Um, but in a couple of weeks' time I'm not gonna see it anymore.
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But it is an an odd decision to me.
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Uh but the fact that I was the only person that I know that
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seems to have felt this.
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Like I didn't see it in any reviews that I read.
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Or like it's like, oh no one uses their Mac in Dark mode.
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Yeah, I know.
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I'm the one.
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Uh I'm using I use my Mac in Doc mode all the time.
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Um but yeah, I other than that, like the window shaping, the sidebar stuff,
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it does look way better.
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Like these are things that I didn't really think I would care about and
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because they didn't really they didn't really bother me in Tahoe.
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Um but I I prefer the way that like finder windows look in in
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Golden Gate.
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Um the Safari tab organization is much more prominent on the Mac.
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And the suggestions that it makes a spot on, I just don't think it's
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a feature I would ever use.
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Like I don't need my tabs to be organized for me because I don't
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keep lots of tabs open.
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Um I know people, I know people in my life, in my family who
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I love who like have hundreds of tabs that I I I will want
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to show this to, but I know they will pay no attention to it
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because they somehow think that they can live their life this way anyway.
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So I don't think any amount of organization is gonna be something that they're
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Have I have I told y'all the story?
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I probably have.
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One time Mary came home from work and she was like, Hey, I can't
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any tabs on my phone.
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I was like, Oh, that's weird.
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Let me look at it.
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Because she had hit the limit of open Safari tabs, which I think is
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five hundred.
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I don't understand it.
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I don't I just don't understand it.
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Like it just feels counter to everything that I would want to do on
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my phone or my Mac to have so many tabs open, right?
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'Cause like I'm never gonna find anything in there anyway.
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So why not just close anyway?
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Um and I like having the Syrian spotlight.
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UI together.
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Um, I am noticing that thing I've seen people talk about this online about
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the highlights in Golden Gate.
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Cause I have the XDR display.
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This is just like e the the s the spotlight UI is very bright.
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Um and like this idea of like, oh this is coming for an OLED
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display, right?
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Like on a on a MacBook Pro, like they're making some changes.
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Like there is some area I it doesn't bother me.
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I'm saying it's a bad thing it's just a thing that I have seen
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It's like, oh, there is some parts of Golden Gate where like the UI
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is like very much bright, uh much more bright for a for a uh
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OLED display.
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So it's cool.
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It's cool to see.
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We'll see what's happening.
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I have turned HDR off on my Pro Displex DR because it's just too
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Anything else with Golden Gate for you?
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I mean, I haven't been using it for long enough.
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Um but but overall, uh I'm happy with it.
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I'm happy with all of the releases this year.
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I think the twenty seven releases are fantastic.
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I think they've they've done a great job.
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I would love them to continue on this road, right?
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Like I don't think that this should be the only year where it's like
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we improved a bunch of stuff.
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I think it's it's clear how they did it.
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And so that would suggest to me that every year we should get similar
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improvements now.
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This should be the new normal and it doesn't have to be a quote
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unquote snow leopard year.
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Like they still had features this year, right?
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It wasn't just these performance and and bug fixes.
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The robots are helping you do it.
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So like this is what software should be like now.
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Software should be be safer, better to use, run faster, fewer bugs because experienced
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coders have incredible machines at their fingertips.
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That's right.
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And so you kind of make that you combine those two things together and
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software should be getting better than it's ever gotten before.
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And I think that that is an example in the operating systems this year.
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Good job, Apple.
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What we're saying.
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I think that does it for this week.
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If you want to drop us a line, there's a link in the show
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Uh that's at relay.fm slash connected slash 621.
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Of course it's also in your podcast player.
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No one uses the web anymore except uh bots.
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Um you can become a member and get Connected Pro, the longer and ad
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free version of the show that we do each and every week.
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Go check that out.
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It's just seven bucks a month.
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You can find Federico's work over at MacStories.net.
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If you have not read his iOS review or John John did Mac OS
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and Watch OS, you should definitely go check those out.
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I'm about halfway through John's uh Golden Gate review and I'm learning things.
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I I use Golden Gate for a lot this summer.
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I'm still still discovering things.
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You can find Mike across a bunch of shows here at Relay and he
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blogs at the enthusiast.net.
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You can find my writing at five twelvepixels.net and surprise.
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I will be on connected next week.
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So got that to look forward to.
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Two weeks in a row.
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I don't understand.
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I g I don't y'all each have like More to say.
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I don't have another podcast anymore.
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You're saying it.
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You can just say whatever you want.
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You know what?
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You can find me in my backyard hanging out with my chickens.
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Please don't.
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Oh, you have chickens.
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Don't do that.
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We're just learning this?
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It's okay to just learn this.
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You guys say it's okay to just learn this.
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I had no idea about the chickens.
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To be fair, the p the really the only place the chicken content happens
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is on backstage.
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I don't think you've spoken about the chickens in other places, Steven.
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I think they ended up on the now page once, but you know it's
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Now page and relay membership shows.
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Steven has chickens.
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There is a fundraising goal that we have passed.
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Where we're gonna make a video where Steven tries to get me to look
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after his chickens, which I'll tell you right now, I'm not gonna enjoy that.
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So that's something that people can look can can be excited about.
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I'm gonna f they're gonna freak me out.
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we've got that going for us.
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So everyone can look forward to the video coming in the future of me
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looking after the chicken.
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They're very gentle.
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Very we have very move in ways I don't expect.
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I'm gonna be I'm gonna be very nervous about it.
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We have very docile chickens.
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I'm telling you, it's I'm not gonna I'm I'm uh it's gonna freak me
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That's I'm looking forward to it.
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That's what makes it a good Yeah campaign thing.
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Yeah uh we got lots of fun stuff going on the St.
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Jude campaign.
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You can go check that out at Saint Jude.org slash relay.
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Please give.
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Please give often.
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Donor advised fund giving, employer matching giving.
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You can start your own fundraiser and raise money in your own social circles.
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Go check that out.
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I I will just double down on that real quick and say if you
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know the phrase donor advised fund, please go and learn more and and donate
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to the campaign.
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I'd like to thank our sponsor this week.
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That is Squarespace.
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I'd like to thank you for listening.
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And until next time, guys, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.