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00:00:07   From Relay, this is Connected episode six hundred and twenty-one.

00:00:11   Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace.

00:00:13   I am your Pere.

00:00:14   Perennial keynote chairman Federico Vittici.

00:00:18   And I'm joined by the uh temporary annual chairman, Stephen Hackett.

00:00:23   Hello, Stephen.

00:00:23   I don't I don't think we gotta throw shade in the intro.

00:00:28   Well, you know.

00:00:30   I'm just, you know, staring at the numbers and the stats and the numbers

00:00:35   they speak for themselves.

00:00:38   On my behalf, in fact.

00:00:40   Wow.

00:00:41   Don't don't like that.

00:00:44   I mean you should get good, you know?

00:00:47   If you don't like that.

00:00:48   It's in the rules.

00:00:50   Uh and I am joined by the um

00:00:55   Well it's just Men of the People he likes to say.

00:00:57   Man of the people.

00:00:58   Well I didn't come up with that name.

00:00:59   Someone else came up with that name from me.

00:01:01   We do have some fe some uh follow up about your losing stream.

00:01:05   You wanna introduce me?

00:01:06   No one said my name.

00:01:07   I said Mike I'm just like a Hey Mike, he said Mike.

00:01:10   He said Mike.

00:01:11   Well, I was talking over him, so how am I supposed to hear?

00:01:16   Fair enough.

00:01:16   Life on the internet.

00:01:18   Okay, my Mike, just settle down.

00:01:21   Settle down.

00:01:22   Settle down.

00:01:23   Um we have some follow-up.

00:01:24   We're gonna start with with Mike.

00:01:27   Luke wrote in As Mike is a true man of the people, I must

00:01:31   know, will he ever win the Rickies again?

00:01:34   Is the glorious peoples comeback ever planned?

00:01:37   I'm gonna do it for you, Luke.

00:01:38   Do it for Luke.

00:01:39   Yeah sure.

00:01:40   I'm gonna do it for Luke.

00:01:41   Here's the thing, cause I understand what Luke's getting at, right?

00:01:43   Considering I am a man of the people now, how could I go back

00:01:47   against the people and become one of the chairmen, right?

00:01:51   So what I'm gonna do here's what I'm gonna do.

00:01:53   So there is a rule that if somebody wins all four, they can pick

00:01:57   their own name, right?

00:01:58   You're gonna you're gonna pick Luke.

00:02:00   I'm that wasn't what I was gonna do.

00:02:03   I my plan is to win all four, so both the key Kino and

00:02:06   annual chairmanships and both of the Flexi champ uh chap championships and then I'm

00:02:11   just gonna rename the whole thing to Man of the People.

00:02:14   So look out for it, Luke.

00:02:15   I'm gonna do it for you.

00:02:18   I think if you do win all four you should you should choose Luke

00:02:21   as your name.

00:02:21   I think that's actually hilarious.

00:02:23   Pretty good.

00:02:24   I uh look let's be real though, if if I am able to win

00:02:26   all four, the name that I will make you two call me will take

00:02:30   about sixteen minutes to to finally rattle off.

00:02:32   Like it's gonna be it will be like So British of you.

00:02:36   Almost like a hostage situation that I will create for our listeners.

00:02:39   Um That's that's they're gonna have to want to source through.

00:02:42   Is that is that Okay.

00:02:44   It's good podcasting.

00:02:46   Putting making your listeners hostage?

00:02:48   Yeah.

00:02:49   It was like what you did last week, which I've been thinking about a

00:02:52   lot.

00:02:52   What did I do last week?

00:02:53   How every time somebody needed to step away, you refused to cut the show.

00:02:58   Oh.

00:02:59   Look.

00:03:00   I've been thinking about this.

00:03:01   Like I was thinking about it in the shower.

00:03:03   You remember what I said about when I'm the shower, I get sad.

00:03:05   And you think about me.

00:03:06   And I was and I was thinking sometimes I think about you in the

00:03:08   shower.

00:03:09   Yeah, sure.

00:03:09   I think about everyone.

00:03:10   It's hot.

00:03:13   It is, I suppose.

00:03:14   And I was thinking about it.

00:03:15   I was like, oh man, you know, you left that in.

00:03:19   So that

00:03:20   leave it in.

00:03:21   We need to set the record straight on this podcast.

00:03:25   Is that what we're a lot of people on the internet claiming that they

00:03:28   came up with iPhone Duo first.

00:03:32   All right.

00:03:32   And we need to get this record set straight.

00:03:34   Maximilian wrote in and said, Best as I can tell, Federico has the earliest

00:03:38   public reference to iPhone Duo being the name, as his annual pick.

00:03:42   Ryan Ryan Cristoffel at nine to five Mac wrote in March predicting the name

00:03:46   and claimed Zach Hall has internally discussed the name in the prior fall, but

00:03:51   that's not verifiable.

00:03:52   I agree, Maximilian.

00:03:53   Yeah, where are the records nine to five Mac?

00:03:55   Yeah.

00:03:55   Show us your receipts.

00:03:56   If it's in Slack, you should have it.

00:03:58   Unless you don't pay for Slack.

00:03:59   Now nine to five Mac, you're not paying.

00:04:01   You ain't got a free Slack account over there.

00:04:02   They're not paying for Slack over there.

00:04:04   You don't think they're paying for Slack?

00:04:05   Well they can prove it.

00:04:06   You can prove two things.

00:04:08   You can prove come on, nine to five.

00:04:10   All right.

00:04:10   Prove two things.

00:04:12   Okay?

00:04:12   Do you pay for Slack?

00:04:14   And if you do, show us the receipts of Zach claiming that they came

00:04:19   up with the But also but also it doesn't matter.

00:04:22   You gotta have you know, you gotta have the passion and the courage to

00:04:25   put it out there in the real world.

00:04:26   That's That's true.

00:04:28   You came up with it in June of last year if you want to.

00:04:30   Yeah, I can say that.

00:04:31   I can say that.

00:04:32   You know You can't print your brain out, can you?

00:04:35   Yeah.

00:04:35   Yeah.

00:04:36   Uh so yeah, I mean I I thank you, Maximilian, for everyone else get

00:04:42   behind us.

00:04:42   All right.

00:04:43   Federico is first in this one.

00:04:46   Form a line behind Federico.

00:04:48   And and as we and as we proved last week, Mike encouraged me during

00:04:53   the the the name picking saying you convinced me.

00:04:57   Yep.

00:04:57   So you know Mike w I had Mike's support when no one else

00:05:03   when no one else was believing in me.

00:05:05   Mike was there.

00:05:06   Nobody else holding my hand on the precipice of names for Apple products and

00:05:11   saying, Federico, take the leap and do it.

00:05:14   Speaking of me being right.

00:05:16   Oh what what is happening?

00:05:18   Jack wrote in and said, Despite my despite Mike's favorite rumor, the iPhone duo.

00:05:23   Despike.

00:05:24   Despite Mike Despike Mike's favorite rumor, the iPhone Duo is available in Australia.

00:05:29   It is unfortunately three thousand four hundred and ninety nine Australian dollars.

00:05:34   What is that?

00:05:35   What what is that?

00:05:36   That's an unbelievable Australian dollars.

00:05:39   Old.

00:05:39   Uh and the base model.

00:05:40   Old.

00:05:41   And five thousand eight hundred and ninety nine for the two terabyte, which is

00:05:44   that is an unbelievable amount of money.

00:05:46   Um sounds like anyway but I have no idea what the like I I

00:05:49   can't work out what an Australian dollar is.

00:05:51   Um so yeah, it's just proving that that rumour in that Australian outlet about

00:05:56   it not about it being US only just couldn't have been more wrong, could

00:05:59   it?

00:05:59   So I was right to be skeptical.

00:06:02   Uh

00:06:05   my rampage to the follow up is now done, so we can we can

00:06:08   continue

00:06:10   leisurely pace to the regular show.

00:06:13   Yeah.

00:06:13   Um I don't know why I put this in follow up, but I'm j

00:06:17   I'm sorry, I d uh my rampage is not over.

00:06:20   Oh.

00:06:22   I've later on in our document, we have what did we order?

00:06:27   Yes.

00:06:28   Oh, you saw now?

00:06:30   I saw it now.

00:06:32   You finally saw it?

00:06:33   Can we just jump to this so 'cause it doesn't make sense.

00:06:35   My thing I will I will move out of I'll put at the bottom.

00:06:38   That's

00:06:40   yeah we're gonna leave all that in two.

00:06:41   So this is all in Jim.

00:06:43   No, this should be in.

00:06:44   It makes sense to be in.

00:06:46   I was just commenting on what Mike wrote in the document.

00:06:49   So Steven put, What did we order?

00:06:51   I said an eighteen pro one terabyte silver.

00:06:54   Right?

00:06:55   I didn't see this.

00:06:57   Then I wrote white white ceramic apple white.

00:07:03   Then Federico wrote, I also got an apple white.

00:07:10   Incredible.

00:07:12   Well obviously I meant white ceramic apple white.

00:07:14   Yeah, I mean is what I is what I meant.

00:07:18   The apple white.

00:07:19   Did you you actually get an apple white Federico?

00:07:21   I got an apple white.

00:07:22   You got an apple white still.

00:07:23   Yeah, it's coming tomorrow.

00:07:24   No, I ordered my my wife a watch, like we said this last time.

00:07:29   And um but I will say, 'cause I I was a little disappointed, a

00:07:34   little disappointed in the in the the white the color.

00:07:39   But I just seen has a video that shows it and it is much

00:07:46   whiter, whiter, whiter wider than I thought it was.

00:07:51   It's bigger.

00:07:52   It's bigger.

00:07:53   And and uh And so maybe maybe it's okay.

00:07:58   Well I will be bringing one to Memphis.

00:08:00   But you'll you'll see one before then.

00:08:02   There's no way you're gonna go to the Apple store and look at it.

00:08:04   Yeah, I'm I gotta go to the Apple store anyways.

00:08:06   Uh I cannot pick one up in Saddle Creek.

00:08:09   So like at my the Memphis Apple store.

00:08:12   Mm-hmm.

00:08:12   And so it I don't know if it's limited stores.

00:08:16   I can get one shipped, but it doesn't come till the end of October.

00:08:19   Uh and so I you know, I don't know.

00:08:21   We'll see.

00:08:23   We'll just we'll see how it goes.

00:08:25   What do you need to go to the Apple store for?

00:08:27   To pick up Mary's watch.

00:08:29   Uh and my I ordered AirPods.

00:08:32   Okay.

00:08:34   So

00:08:35   I will be there.

00:08:36   Maybe they'll have one on display, but uh maybe not.

00:08:39   They might not.

00:08:41   I would expect they'll probably have one on display.

00:08:44   Yeah.

00:08:45   But I couldn't I could never get one in store pickup for in Memphis,

00:08:49   I don't think.

00:08:50   Which is uh concerning.

00:08:53   I'm uh yeah, so I'm getting an iPhone and an Apple Watch tomorrow, but

00:08:56   the thing I'm most excited about is the Apple Watch.

00:08:59   Yeah.

00:08:59   What what phone?

00:09:01   18 Pro

00:09:03   Like one terabyte silver.

00:09:05   Can I say something to y'all?

00:09:08   I um I don't know.

00:09:09   I kinda can you say it?

00:09:11   Um I kinda I kinda went an iPhone eighteen pro.

00:09:16   Why?

00:09:17   Just d th the the the reviews I think they got me with the

00:09:21   camera.

00:09:22   Okay, we're gonna talk about them in a little bit, but that's interesting that

00:09:25   you feel that way.

00:09:25   But we'll see.

00:09:26   I mean I I I I gotta buy a very expensive phone next month.

00:09:29   And I probably should put kids in college here pretty soon.

00:09:31   So How much of a dent is it gonna take out of the college

00:09:34   fund?

00:09:34   I don't know.

00:09:35   We're we have a college visit coming up and it I th it uh

00:09:38   the fur this is our first one.

00:09:40   Okay.

00:09:40   And the school that was chosen uh shockingly expensive.

00:09:46   You know, I'm not gonna try to sabotage the campus visit.

00:09:50   That would be Well, but he's not not.

00:09:52   But I'm be I'm not I'm not not.

00:09:54   It's not not.

00:09:55   I'm not not.

00:09:57   I'm not not.

00:09:59   Hey, it's September.

00:10:00   Hello.

00:10:01   September is childhood cancer awareness month.

00:10:05   And you know what that means?

00:10:07   That means we're raising money.

00:10:08   It's year eight.

00:10:10   And we have hit, as of a few days ago, since twenty nineteen, a

00:10:15   lifetime total of five million dollars raised for St.

00:10:19   James.

00:10:22   What is there a quiz?

00:10:23   No, it's just the hype function.

00:10:24   You can't that.

00:10:26   Oh my god, you just gave me a heart attack.

00:10:28   Yeah.

00:10:28   It was it was purely for the hype.

00:10:30   It's quiz about our our St.

00:10:31   Jude fundraising over the years.

00:10:32   Yeah.

00:10:33   I mean, what an incredible milestone.

00:10:35   And it it is if you had told me in twenty nineteen that this

00:10:39   was even possible, like sometimes I look back through the twenty nineteen campaign and

00:10:45   it's kind of adorable.

00:10:46   Like we're just at a folding table with the Puck Acathon and we don't

00:10:49   know what we're doing.

00:10:50   We raised 315 grand the first year, which absolutely blew my expectations out of

00:10:55   the water.

00:10:55   And it's it's gotten bigger and bigger.

00:10:58   It is it is stunning, a stunning amount of money.

00:11:02   And thank you.

00:11:03   I mean, it is because of the relay and Apple community that we're able

00:11:07   to celebrate this.

00:11:08   Yep.

00:11:08   Absolutely.

00:11:09   It's an incredible achievement.

00:11:11   It's an achievement that we have all achieved together.

00:11:13   Yes.

00:11:14   Um, 'cause th that that's what this whole time of year is all about.

00:11:18   Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:19   So it takes everyone to beat something like childhood cancer.

00:11:24   Uh childhood cancer is something that when Saint Jude was founded back in nineteen

00:11:31   sixty two, it was It was thought to be basically universally fatal.

00:11:37   And the folks who were there at the beginning knew that wasn't true.

00:11:41   And they started working on cures.

00:11:44   And if you go through the history of St.

00:11:45   Jude, it is absolutely amazing what they've been able to do in the years

00:11:50   since.

00:11:51   Uh thanks to in part to their therapies that they have uh designed and

00:11:57   put together at St.

00:11:58   Jude, more than 80% of US childhood cancer patients survey survive now.

00:12:03   That's up from twenty percent when they started.

00:12:05   Think about how much progress has been made.

00:12:08   But that is only here in the US.

00:12:11   In other parts of the world, the number is not that good.

00:12:15   So St.

00:12:15   Jude works to get their treatment shared.

00:12:17   Around the world.

00:12:18   We we've spoken about that before with their global initiatives.

00:12:21   Uh just because you're somewhere else doesn't mean you shouldn't treatment that St.

00:12:26   Jude can can offer.

00:12:28   So they're hard at work at that, but they're also hard at work on

00:12:31   their own campus.

00:12:32   A bunch of people travel to St.

00:12:33   Jude to have their children treated.

00:12:36   Um, and there are two new towers that are being built right now, two

00:12:39   fifteen patient, fifteen story outpatient clinics and clinical offices.

00:12:44   Um Plus a new research tower being built.

00:12:47   Um those clinical towers are really cool.

00:12:50   So we have been a St.

00:12:51   Jude patient.

00:12:52   My son was diagnosed in 2009.

00:12:54   He's getting ready to be 18 and he's doing super well because of St.

00:12:58   Jude.

00:12:59   But these clinical buildings, like it's a great example of Saint Jude responding to

00:13:04   what patients need.

00:13:06   Um, the whole time we've been there, clinics have been scattered throughout a couple

00:13:09   of buildings at St.

00:13:10   Jude, and you spend a lot of time kind of going between them as

00:13:13   you would like you would any hospital.

00:13:15   And so they are putting all that under one roof.

00:13:17   And so most of the time when you have a clinical appointment to St.

00:13:21   Jude, they're all gonna be in this one new, absolutely beautiful building.

00:13:26   Mike you've you haven't seen it in a year, but it is really a

00:13:29   a stunning place.

00:13:30   I look forward to seeing it.

00:13:32   Um and those research towers are just as important.

00:13:34   Saint Jude employs thousands of researchers working across all sorts of aspects of cancer

00:13:41   treatment and cure research.

00:13:44   All of these people are way smarter than me.

00:13:46   But anytime we get to meet them, anytime I get to interact with a

00:13:50   researcher at St.

00:13:51   Jude or a research team, I am blown away by their passion for their

00:13:55   work.

00:13:55   They're there because they want and believe they can defeat childhood cancer and other

00:14:02   catastrophic disease.

00:14:03   And these people are doing their life's work, their life's best work at St

00:14:07   at Saint Jude.

00:14:08   So those research towers are home for them for their work.

00:14:12   And they're incredible spaces as well.

00:14:14   We've got to see some of that over the years.

00:14:16   Um absolutely amazing work being done.

00:14:21   Uh between those projects, that's a eight hundred and ten million dollar investment that

00:14:25   represents Saint Jude's serious commitment to accelerating their research capabilities.

00:14:32   Um, really, really incredible.

00:14:35   But your money goes further than that.

00:14:37   It goes to paying for meals for families when they're on campus.

00:14:41   It goes for paying for travel for people who aren't in Memphis.

00:14:43   I was fortunate.

00:14:45   My family was fortunate that we were here, that St.

00:14:47   Jude was in literally my backyard.

00:14:49   But But most people have to travel here.

00:14:52   St.

00:14:52   Jude takes care of all of that for them.

00:14:54   There's housing on campus and off campus if you're here for extended periods of

00:14:58   time.

00:14:59   They have housing where you can bring your spouse and your other children.

00:15:03   Very often families kind of get split up in this time because there's treatment

00:15:07   here and maybe there's siblings that are still in school back home.

00:15:10   And when family can be together, St.

00:15:12   Jude wants to facilitate that in the best way that there can.

00:15:15   And that's through what we do as people who support Saint Jude.

00:15:20   So I would strongly urge you to go to Saint Jude dot org slash

00:15:26   relay.

00:15:27   Uh we have a goal of seven hundred thousand dollars this year.

00:15:30   We are over halfway there, which is absolutely incredible.

00:15:34   Donors who make an individual gift of $60 or more are eligible to redeem

00:15:39   a digital bundle of a bunch of wallpapers and a macOS screensaver.

00:15:43   James Thompson, out of control, Mike.

00:15:45   I can't I gotta cut him off.

00:15:47   Sometimes I wonder if James has other things that he that he should be

00:15:50   taking.

00:15:50   Probably.

00:15:51   Um I got a new build of the screensaver yesterday and it's like it's

00:15:55   amazing.

00:15:55   It's so cool.

00:15:57   Um so an individual gift of sixty bucks or more gets you that.

00:16:01   Donors making a gift of $100 or more can redeem a Western themed sticker

00:16:06   pack with all of our characters, which I absolutely adore this year.

00:16:10   There's lots of other ways you can give.

00:16:12   You can give through a donor advice fund.

00:16:14   You can apply for Matching, most people's uh like companies people work for, you

00:16:21   know, I don't have a real job.

00:16:22   Companies people work for uh often have a matching program and there's directions on

00:16:26   the website of how to set that up.

00:16:28   Makes your money go even further.

00:16:30   So we'd love to have you go to Saintju.org slash relay to donate or

00:16:35   start a fundraiser today.

00:16:38   So the rumor wizard Mark Gurman reported about some changes coming to Apple stores.

00:16:44   One of these is a dedicated genius bar is gonna be making a return,

00:16:49   says Mark.

00:16:51   Uh the design resembles genius bars of the past, but with an all wooden

00:16:55   look, and the genius bars and these new avenue bays, avenues what they call

00:16:59   the kind of like the long tables where they put products.

00:17:02   They're going to be designed to mesh of existing stores, look better, integrated.

00:17:06   They're going to have like a pickup area coming to stores as well.

00:17:10   Uh Stephen, as a former genius, I wanted to get your feeling uh about

00:17:15   this.

00:17:15   Stephen Hackett, no longer a genius.

00:17:17   No.

00:17:17   Um, but is here with us now.

00:17:20   I've been gone a long time.

00:17:21   But when I was there, I mean it was a long time ago, we

00:17:23   had a genius bar, we had a point of sale up front.

00:17:26   You could just like get in line and check out.

00:17:28   I think the number one complaint people have about the Apple stories of this

00:17:30   confusing that you walk in, hopefully someone stops you at the door.

00:17:35   Hey, what are you here for?

00:17:36   And they direct you, Hey, go to that table.

00:17:37   And they they have iPad minis.

00:17:39   And what they're doing is they're like making a little note about, like, oh,

00:17:42   um, this handsome Italian man with the tattoos is in a black t-shirt.

00:17:46   And then when it's time for Federico to get his phone fixed, hopefully he's

00:17:50   in the area they sent him to, but they also have a description of

00:17:53   him.

00:17:54   It's I mean we've all experienced it.

00:17:56   It's it's frustrating.

00:17:57   That is a s it's like a stupid system, right?

00:17:59   It is.

00:17:59   It's bad.

00:18:00   It's bad.

00:18:00   Like that that you write s down the way that somebody looks as a

00:18:03   way to try and get them their iPhone.

00:18:05   It's like this doesn't make any sense.

00:18:06   This is a store.

00:18:07   Like this it's like, sir, this is an Apple store.

00:18:10   You know?

00:18:10   Like, yeah, yeah.

00:18:12   And so uh the the rumor is the genius bar is going to return

00:18:15   instead of the stupid genius grove where you're sitting on chairs chairs just sad

00:18:19   about your phone.

00:18:20   Um and dedicated pick a berry would be awesome.

00:18:24   My store at least has that.

00:18:25   It's kind of a a table, but then they send you to it, but

00:18:28   it's like different.

00:18:29   They change where the table is over time.

00:18:30   Uh and again someone has to direct you there.

00:18:33   It it needs to be more traditional.

00:18:36   And this seems like uh a move towards that, or like there's gonna be

00:18:42   a place where you can get support and you line up and like all

00:18:45   these things that normal stores have, the Apple store should have too.

00:18:49   I think the current system would have worked much better if it was at

00:18:55   the time I was a genius, like almost 20 years ago now where there

00:19:00   was as much less volume in the store.

00:19:02   The stores were just not as busy.

00:19:04   They are very busy now.

00:19:05   Even even the Memphis store, you know, we're a small market, the stores always

00:19:09   crowded.

00:19:10   And with that increased traffic, you need increased organization and Apple just has not

00:19:15   done that.

00:19:15   So I'm very encouraged by this report.

00:19:18   Um and I really hope that it uh comes to fruition.

00:19:21   Something I found interesting is like it seems like in a lot of stores,

00:19:25   the way that they will add in the space for the genius bar is

00:19:29   by removing the huge screens that they have.

00:19:32   Yeah.

00:19:32   Which is just that is an e that is a very big change to

00:19:36   the way an Apple store looks.

00:19:37   Right.

00:19:38   Like they all have these huge screens in them.

00:19:41   Um and which are used for various things, whether it's for uh marketing or

00:19:47   for classes, and they're gonna move the classes to different parts of the stores

00:19:50   to kinda shrink those down.

00:19:51   Yeah.

00:19:51   Which doesn't also doesn't surprise me because I feel like I have never seen

00:19:56   a class in an Apple store at even half of the capacity that they

00:20:00   have for the classes at the Apple Store.

00:20:02   No.

00:20:02   No.

00:20:03   P and people don't pay attention to them.

00:20:04   Like it's it's a good thing to have, but maybe they could scale that

00:20:09   back a little bit

00:20:11   and then

00:20:13   give people more of what they actually want.

00:20:17   Right which is support for their broken products.

00:20:20   Yeah.

00:20:20   Yeah.

00:20:21   The time has passed, I think, where the Apple store needs to be educational

00:20:25   to the level that it has been.

00:20:27   Surely you still need some things, right?

00:20:28   Like if someone gets their first phone, maybe pull them aside and walk them

00:20:31   through some stuff.

00:20:32   Back when I was there, they had the creative program.

00:20:36   So we had geniuses for support and creative for education.

00:20:39   And you could sign up for like one-to-one and come in and like learn

00:20:43   how to use aperture, learn how to keep use keynote.

00:20:45   Uh an Apple store employee would like help you with your project over time.

00:20:49   But I think we're mostly past that.

00:20:51   And the screens and that like sort of like, hey, there's a class, that's

00:20:55   really also an echo.

00:20:57   A bunch of original Apple stores, including ours before they renovated it.

00:21:00   And then they moved it, had a theater in the back.

00:21:04   And you know what?

00:21:05   It was pretty cool when Panther came out to sit in the theater and

00:21:08   watch somebody like show you how brush metal looked.

00:21:11   Or when Tiger came out, like to do a spotlight demo.

00:21:14   But again the time has passed for those things.

00:21:17   So rip those screens out.

00:21:19   Get that content on YouTube now.

00:21:21   Get that content.

00:21:21   Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:22   You get it on your your favorite podcast on relay.fm.

00:21:26   Just take those screens out, put a genius bar in because a store primarily

00:21:31   people think of for sales and support, and you need to lean into that.

00:21:35   Ugh.

00:21:35   That's my soapbox about the Apple store.

00:21:37   And it seems like they have somebody now who believes that.

00:21:40   Right.

00:21:40   Yeah.

00:21:41   Uh some personal news.

00:21:42   I'm just kidding.

00:21:43   Oh, congrats.

00:21:44   Congrats.

00:21:44   Thank you.

00:21:45   I didn't know you liked Wood so much.

00:21:46   I I hey, I think so uh the Tyson's Corner store, which is one

00:21:50   of the the first one, the first one, um, for one of the first

00:21:54   two to open the first day.

00:21:56   That's the one that got redone, I think, initially with the the all wood

00:21:59   design and the they have a genius bar.

00:22:02   And it looks sick.

00:22:04   It's beautiful.

00:22:04   I love it.

00:22:05   It's beautiful.

00:22:06   Um our store Here and it was an original Apple store, so it had

00:22:10   like all the white acrylic and the glass.

00:22:13   And then Nashville had a mini store.

00:22:15   Do you remember those?

00:22:16   They were really narrow and the walls were like all aluminum.

00:22:19   It's very strange.

00:22:20   Yeah, I saw a picture of one of those recently.

00:22:22   It was just closing.

00:22:23   Yes.

00:22:23   I think there's like m that may have been the last one.

00:22:26   And now you have kind of where we are now, and it's time for

00:22:29   another uh another revision to to what the Apple store is.

00:22:35   In addition to fixing the Apple store, I have also fixed Apple Care One.

00:22:40   You did that?

00:22:41   I did do that.

00:22:42   You personally?

00:22:43   Some personal news.

00:22:45   Apple announced, I don't know when it was, a couple years ago maybe?

00:22:48   Apple Care One, where where you could have up to three devices on an

00:22:52   Apple Care plan.

00:22:53   It was nineteen ninety nine a month and you could swap them in and

00:22:56   out.

00:22:57   So I had my Mac, my phone, I think my iPad on mine.

00:23:01   And you get a new phone, you take the old one off, put the

00:23:04   new one on all done within the settings app.

00:23:07   Pretty straightforward.

00:23:09   But there were limitations.

00:23:11   Um, Syracuse Surrana to this where like if you logged out of a Mac

00:23:15   into a different user, it would say, Oh no, you you're no longer part

00:23:18   of Apple Care.

00:23:19   It's like what is happening?

00:23:20   And you couldn't do families.

00:23:23   So I had to have one, my wife had to have one, and it

00:23:27   was kind of a mess.

00:23:28   And so they've announced Apple Care one for families.

00:23:32   The setup is really e was really easy.

00:23:35   So I went into my phone running I was twenty seven, canceled my Apple

00:23:39   Care One, applied for Apple Care One for families, and uh I think it

00:23:45   is running uh

00:23:48   forty nine bucks a month.

00:23:49   And

00:23:51   but I have twenty devices on it.

00:23:55   So uh and and like my kids' devices, like I was just using just

00:24:00   the you know, the just the warranty.

00:24:02   I didn't have Apple Care on those, so that that's probably much better now.

00:24:05   Um I'm shocked none of my kids have broken a phone.

00:24:07   You know, you think they'd follow in my footsteps.

00:24:10   But I added it to my phone.

00:24:13   And then Mary got a notification like, hey, would you like to be added

00:24:17   to this?

00:24:18   And so I got her laptop and said yes, canceled her Apple Care One.

00:24:22   We got rebates, like a pro rated rebate for those.

00:24:24   And then it automatically added my kids' devices because we're in an iCloud family.

00:24:28   This is obviously the backbone of this.

00:24:30   And so it added my kids, you know, phones, a couple of iPads, a

00:24:34   laptop, and got 20 devices on there.

00:24:37   And they're all listed.

00:24:38   And I can just go through here and um and see them all.

00:24:42   Is twenty the amount you can have, or that's just how many you have.

00:24:45   That's how many we have, uh as a family of five.

00:24:48   I don't know if there's an upper limit upper limit.

00:24:52   But um we have twenty devices covered now for the um I mean single

00:24:57   price.

00:24:58   Surely there has to be, right?

00:24:59   'Cause like Apple Care One is up to three products.

00:25:05   Right.

00:25:05   So all Apple has said I think, yes, it's $49 a month, thank you.

00:25:09   Um I think all Apple has said is for eligible devices.

00:25:14   And I didn't have any

00:25:17   that weren't eligible that I'm aware of.

00:25:20   Yeah.

00:25:21   And they FAQ is it as you say, right?

00:25:23   Apple Care One Family covers all eligible devices for up to six people in

00:25:29   your family.

00:25:30   Yeah, which is the limit of iCloud families which should be higher, six is

00:25:34   not enough people, but whatever.

00:25:35   I mean that's actually fifty dollars a month is a lot of money, right?

00:25:39   I think that is a lot of money for a for a subscription.

00:25:43   But if you have like five people that will have devices and and net

00:25:48   And now these days, like every single one of those people can have three

00:25:52   or four things, right?

00:25:53   And like if they're all covered, that's actually not that bad.

00:25:56   Yeah, I think it's like two dollars and fifty cents a month per device

00:26:00   for me.

00:26:01   Again, you gotta do your own math, right?

00:26:03   If it's you and a partner in the iCloud family and each have two

00:26:05   devices, obviously this isn't a good deal.

00:26:07   Do the other one.

00:26:08   Um but for us, I was only doing Mary and I under Apple Care

00:26:13   One because it was twenty dollars apiece.

00:26:14   So we were already spending forty dollars a month.

00:26:16   And so really to add all those other devices that my kids are using,

00:26:21   um for us, my math, it was it was a good deal.

00:26:26   Um it all it has theft and loss coverage which is awesome.

00:26:31   And uh new purchase products are automatically added, which is also a nice benefit.

00:26:35   With Apple Care One, when you got a new device, it would ask you,

00:26:40   hey, do you want to add this?

00:26:42   And if you had something else, you had to go in there and remove

00:26:44   it, and then you could add the new one.

00:26:46   It was okay.

00:26:47   But this being automatic is great.

00:26:49   Like if you know, in a couple years when I got kids in college

00:26:54   and you know, say they're still in my iCloud family, that which they probably

00:26:57   will be for a while, and they get a new phone, like it just

00:27:00   automatically covers under this, like we don't have to do anything.

00:27:03   It feels very well, well thought through.

00:27:06   And so pretty nice.

00:27:07   So I moved to it.

00:27:08   It was very smooth.

00:27:09   I was a little nervous.

00:27:10   You know, you know how sometimes these things are with a new Apple service.

00:27:13   You're like, I'm gonna hit the button.

00:27:15   What's gonna happen?

00:27:16   But it was totally fine.

00:27:19   I like the idea of this.

00:27:21   I could imagine maybe at some point signing up for this, I'm still trying

00:27:25   to reconcile with my return to getting Apple Care on things after being so

00:27:29   annoyed at them a few years ago.

00:27:31   Mm-hmm.

00:27:32   But maybe once I'm a little bit into this.

00:27:34   But it's like you know, I'm I'm at the moment I'm just getting on

00:27:36   an iPhone and like the iPhone is like a hundred dollars and that's like

00:27:41   Yeah.

00:27:42   For an entire year.

00:27:44   For sure.

00:27:45   Hundred and fifty for a year.

00:27:46   So fifty dollars a month feels like a bit much, but And obviously there's

00:27:49   lots of factors This is not available everywhere.

00:27:52   Pricing may be different other places.

00:27:53   It's I have no idea if it's even in the UK it's available.

00:27:56   So it's um you gotta do all that math.

00:27:58   You gotta do the math for yourself.

00:27:59   But it for us it was a good option and uh Oh, it's not

00:28:02   available in the UK.

00:28:03   So Okay, that's a bummer.

00:28:04   Apple Care One is.

00:28:06   I mean, Apple Care One wasn't initially, I think.

00:28:09   Like, and so maybe they roll these things out over time.

00:28:12   Maybe.

00:28:14   Um, but yeah, that's uh

00:28:17   Apple Care One for families.

00:28:19   Good job.

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00:30:13   IOS twenty seven point two is out now.

00:30:17   The beta is for twenty seven point two are available.

00:30:20   Uh so twenty seven point one is lost.

00:30:22   They forgot about that one.

00:30:23   Um it's n we're never gonna see it.

00:30:25   Doesn't exist.

00:30:26   Doesn't exist.

00:30:26   What are you talking about?

00:30:27   There never was a point one.

00:30:28   I mean obviously it's you know it's obvious what's happening.

00:30:31   Twenty seven point one is for the iPhone Duo and for I'm sure various

00:30:36   reasons they're just not bothering to put that into the beta train, right?

00:30:39   Either A they don't want people to have access to it right now 'cause

00:30:43   people will obviously go through and pull things out or B, it's not ready,

00:30:48   right?

00:30:48   Because they're finishing things off for the duo.

00:30:50   Or a myriad of other reasons.

00:30:52   Twenty seven point one will probably never come to the other phones, right?

00:30:56   Like would would be the thinking.

00:30:57   Apple's done this kind of stuff before.

00:30:59   I think with an iPad they did it right where

00:31:03   ooh can someone help me remember this iPhone OS 3.2 no okay isn't that

00:31:08   is that not what you're thinking of no there you know what I'm thinking

00:31:13   of there was an iPad that didn't get the point Oh and it just

00:31:16   we had to wait and it got point one, which is not exactly the

00:31:20   same thing that I'm about here anyway.

00:31:21   But nevertheless, right?

00:31:22   Like they're they're kinda sh being they're shifting around this one.

00:31:26   So the twenty seven point two betas are out now.

00:31:28   Um it's got a bunch of stuff, in it, but there is also the

00:31:30   other thing of

00:31:32   twenty-seven point one Xcode twenty seven point one has the details and information and

00:31:39   simulator and tools that you need to build your phone for the iPhone duo.

00:31:44   It is not available for developers who would like to build their apps for

00:31:49   the iPhone Duo, which this feels like a significant oversight to me, uh, why

00:31:55   that is not available now.

00:31:58   Um I don't understand what they're doing here because it's surely in Apple's best

00:32:04   interest to have the developer tools for the iPhone Duo available, but they're just

00:32:10   not, which is An interesting decision, I'll say

00:32:15   uh

00:32:17   I think it's all it's all very strange right now because they don't want

00:32:21   to um

00:32:23   probably just my assumption.

00:32:25   They don't release firmware files for the duo.

00:32:29   They don't want those they must have some things that they're still figuring out

00:32:33   or they must have some things that they haven't.

00:32:36   And so they don't they want to keep a separate release track for uh

00:32:40   for the iPhone Duo for the time being because they don't want people poking

00:32:44   around.

00:32:44   Let me tell you uh from a personal experience, uh and maybe we can

00:32:49   talk about this later, uh, but especially now with coding agents, the firmware files

00:32:56   that Apple releases on the Apple Developer website, they are a treasure trove of

00:33:02   information.

00:33:02   How do you think all these websites now can find

00:33:06   I know that people do that stuff.

00:33:08   Yeah.

00:33:09   I hadn't thought about maybe why there was so much in the last in

00:33:13   that in that release recently.

00:33:15   How did you think I was able to get all of the shortcut actions

00:33:19   and parameters that have changed in iOS 27.

00:33:23   How do you think I was able to get all of the system icons?

00:33:26   Like all these things now are open secrets.

00:33:29   Like the moment they are on the Apple Developer website, 30 minutes later, if

00:33:33   you're fast mode, maybe even 10 minutes later, you got the entire thing decrypted

00:33:38   and diffed, and you can see everything that is in there.

00:33:40   So if Apple hasn't said some particular thing about the iPhone dual, I also

00:33:45   wouldn't want to put the firmware or the official support in the currently shipping,

00:33:51   you know, two developers um file.

00:33:54   So it's pretty wild that it's still like today they're having developer stream streams

00:34:01   about the duo, but you can't follow along.

00:34:04   You couldn't have come with questions because no one has their hands on.

00:34:07   Like I get it, but y they are putting developers in the kind of

00:34:10   a and I I know they don't, you know, that's something we care about,

00:34:13   not something they care about as much.

00:34:15   But it is, I think, really frustrating.

00:34:18   Oh of course.

00:34:18   But but you know, and that versus like whatever secrecy they still want around

00:34:23   this, or they just don't you know, like Federica said, maybe they're not quite

00:34:26   done or they have something they're not ready to show.

00:34:28   That takes priority, clearly, but that's a bit of a a bummer.

00:34:32   It's it creates a not great situation.

00:34:35   'Cause it they will obviously have to release it before some point.

00:34:40   Right.

00:34:41   They have it I think they said it it's By the before the end

00:34:45   of the month, I think.

00:34:46   They said they will release it.

00:34:48   I don't know.

00:34:49   But m I could see you know, maybe it is a little of like

00:34:52   it's not ready yet and a little bit of like we don't want we

00:34:55   don't want all these people digging out all the videos and stuff, right?

00:34:58   Like the all the help videos and all this kind of stuff.

00:35:01   But it's going to happen at some point, no matter when you do it.

00:35:04   But yeah, it ends up in this weird scenario.

00:35:06   But anyway.

00:35:08   27.2 beta one has a bunch of little features in in it which some

00:35:12   are interesting.

00:35:13   Um I will say actually twenty seven point two beta one on the watch

00:35:17   has the new health app.

00:35:18   Oh and on the phone too, right?

00:35:19   Like has the new health app.

00:35:20   That's interesting.

00:35:22   Um I'm I'm actually very keen to try that out.

00:35:25   I I think I might when I get my Apple Watch, I might put

00:35:27   my new phone on twenty seven point two 'cause I'm I'm I'm really keen

00:35:31   to see the new health app experience.

00:35:33   Yeah.

00:35:33   Uh it also has profiles in the T V app, so uh on the

00:35:37   phone, like how the Apple TV has profiles.

00:35:39   They're bringing that to the iPhone app, um, which is good for like kids

00:35:43   and stuff, right?

00:35:44   Like you're you're choosing like kids' content and your your uh your content.

00:35:48   Um full screen artwork in the podcast app.

00:35:51   So the podcast app looks more like the music app.

00:35:53   Oh nice.

00:35:54   Okay.

00:35:54   The artwork.

00:35:55   It like stretches all the way down.

00:35:56   I'm very keen to see how that looks, um, because I want I want

00:36:01   to know how they're generating that.

00:36:03   Um so that's gonna be interesting.

00:36:05   It's probably they're probably just using the extent feature from photos.

00:36:12   I can I can actually shed some light on that.

00:36:14   So a while probably a couple years ago, we were asked to submit specific

00:36:20   artwork based on a template to Apple Podcasts.

00:36:23   And so if you go look at Connected and in Apple Podcasts, there's Globe.

00:36:26   And I think we I used a blue background and it sort of fades

00:36:29   away.

00:36:30   Um

00:36:31   maybe there's gonna be another request or another format of artwork we have to

00:36:35   file.

00:36:35   I know that even the artwork we have now is like sort of janky

00:36:39   in some places, like like at least in the podcast app on on Golden

00:36:42   Gate, I think when I was doing my screenshots, it looked a little funny.

00:36:46   So who who knows?

00:36:47   I mean, they can do some stuff programmatically, but if they need files from

00:36:52   like every podcaster, then this is not gonna look awesome on day one.

00:36:55   And I I

00:36:57   I I believe that with the Apple Music thing, some of that is done

00:37:03   programmatically, but then they do have a format that either they or an artist

00:37:08   or a label can use to extend artwork or to animate artwork more

00:37:15   in a more customized fashion.

00:37:17   So maybe there'll be levels to this, but I am glad they're bringing it

00:37:20   in more in line with the music app.

00:37:22   Okay, they they should feel like cousins more than they do.

00:37:25   Yeah.

00:37:25   Yep.

00:37:26   Um the call contacts feature is in twenty seven point two.

00:37:30   I actually didn't know that that wasn't twenty seven, so this is when No,

00:37:33   you wait, wait, wait.

00:37:35   It is in twenty seven.

00:37:36   I showed it off in my review.

00:37:39   I haven't got to have a part of your review yet on like a

00:37:41   quarter of the way through.

00:37:42   I think they added added anniversary alerts.

00:37:46   There you go.

00:37:46   I apologize.

00:37:47   So there you go.

00:37:48   That's that's one thing that wasn't in there, but they added it in there.

00:37:51   Well, I cannot believe you don't read my blog.

00:37:53   I'm into the series section.

00:37:54   All right.

00:37:55   So like I'm into it.

00:37:56   I'm I'm I'm in I'm into it.

00:37:57   I wish can show you my uh page count if you want to.

00:38:00   I'm obviously kidding.

00:38:01   I know you are, but I just I don't want you to think I'm

00:38:03   not reading it because I am reading it.

00:38:05   Not only am I reading it, I have a daily repeating task in to

00:38:09   do a system.

00:38:09   Okay, now you now you're overdoing it.

00:38:11   I believe you.

00:38:12   Yeah, he's selling it too hard now.

00:38:14   Yeah.

00:38:14   Take it a screenshot and I'm sending it too

00:38:17   right now.

00:38:18   Well is Reed Teaches Review.

00:38:20   Yeah, why don't you also give me why don't you also give me two

00:38:22   hundred bucks?

00:38:23   Okay, I'll I'll wire it to you immediately.

00:38:25   Do an Apple Cash request and I'll and I'll send that to you whenever

00:38:28   whenever you need it.

00:38:30   Um CarPlay Ultra themes.

00:38:33   Man, thank goodness thing that's like just has not and will not ever go

00:38:38   anywhere, right?

00:38:39   Like that just not happening.

00:38:40   Siri AI is available in a bunch of other languages.

00:38:43   Um yeah, that's about it.

00:38:46   Yeah, it's it's You know, last year last couple of years after the debacle

00:38:51   with WBC and and Apple Intelligence the first time around, they were like only

00:38:57   announcing things that were shipping for sure in the point oh and you know,

00:39:02   some of that stuff didn't m happen this time, but I don't feel bad

00:39:04   about it.

00:39:05   This feels like how things used to work.

00:39:07   Like, yeah, some things will be in well, I guess in this case the

00:39:10   point two.

00:39:11   Um, totally fine.

00:39:12   Like I don't think anything has like dis has been like disappeared from the

00:39:16   Apple site, not not shipping at any point.

00:39:18   So I don't think it's any big deal.

00:39:21   Um

00:39:22   at all, really.

00:39:25   That's all.

00:39:28   That was awkward.

00:39:30   Hmm.

00:39:31   It's kinda weird.

00:39:33   Just gonna leave it in.

00:39:35   Leave it in.

00:39:36   Leave it in.

00:39:37   What is wrong with you?

00:39:38   Why are you why do you insist on making the show worse for our

00:39:41   listeners?

00:39:41   I'm making it more um no.

00:39:44   Good.

00:39:45   You gotta be good.

00:39:47   Nope.

00:39:48   iPhone 18 Pro reviews are out.

00:39:50   Joanna Stern did a great video.

00:39:52   Marquez did a great video.

00:39:53   Our friend Tyler Stallman.

00:39:54   Hit I always look forward to Tyler's.

00:39:56   He does the photography review.

00:39:58   I I g always learn things.

00:40:00   It was great.

00:40:00   This is my favorite video this year was Tyler's.

00:40:03   Tyler's yeah.

00:40:04   Yeah.

00:40:04   Yeah.

00:40:05   He does a good job.

00:40:06   Which I also saw the John just linked on Mac stories.

00:40:10   So thank you.

00:40:10   John must agree.

00:40:11   Let me see if John agrees.

00:40:12   Let me see what John says.

00:40:13   I'm gonna go find out what John says.

00:40:14   Also, don't miss Tyler Stallman's review of the iPhone Pro and Pro Max on

00:40:18   YouTube.

00:40:18   Dy Tyler always does a fantastic job with his reviews and this year's review

00:40:21   doesn't disappoint covering pictures like John agrees.

00:40:24   John agrees.

00:40:25   John agrees.

00:40:26   Yeah, thank you, John.

00:40:26   Thank you, John.

00:40:28   Uh, we'll get to some of the camera stuff, but some high-level stuff first.

00:40:32   People are mixed on burgundy.

00:40:35   You surprised?

00:40:36   Because it doesn't look nice.

00:40:37   Yeah, that'll I don't it's not for me.

00:40:39   I don't it.

00:40:40   I really don't like it.

00:40:41   Yeah it's not for me.

00:40:42   How do we say it in Italian, Federico?

00:40:44   Borgogna.

00:40:45   Borgogna, yeah.

00:40:47   Is that what it says on the Italian?

00:40:48   Which which you know, which you know, yeah, I think so.

00:40:51   Which you know it's funny because Borgogna sounds like vergogna which is the word

00:40:55   that means shame.

00:40:57   So shame phones.

00:40:58   Oh, it's my shame phone.

00:41:00   Shame phone.

00:41:01   That's the duo.

00:41:02   I'm the Italian website right now to just check and I love that Priorda

00:41:06   is Priodina.

00:41:12   Yeah, it's Borgogna G G Ghiaccio, that's glacier, Argento and Nero.

00:41:23   Nero is good.

00:41:24   Nero.

00:41:24   I like Nero.

00:41:25   I think the Burgundy actually looks cool.

00:41:28   Like maybe I'm an outlier.

00:41:29   I think it looks nice.

00:41:31   I a lot of people like it.

00:41:32   Like I I'm seeing people talk about it and like it.

00:41:36   Like on Instagram and stuff like that.

00:41:37   I I d I don't like it and I think it is more divisive

00:41:41   and I think it is

00:41:43   to me, I I think it is made worse by the color that it

00:41:46   is replacing, right?

00:41:48   That orange was so good.

00:41:50   Mm-hmm.

00:41:50   Um and yeah, I th I what I think is I don't like the

00:41:54   darkness of it.

00:41:55   I think I would like it if it was maybe a bit more vibrant,

00:41:57   but there you go.

00:41:58   Then it wouldn't Bulgaria, would it?

00:42:00   So it would not it would be it would not be.

00:42:04   Stallman had a good point in his video about the cosmic orange, which I

00:42:08   think is like an S tier phone color.

00:42:10   We should we should tier phone colors at some point, but that would take

00:42:15   so long.

00:42:15   It would take I mean, we got nothing but time.

00:42:17   The the problem with it was though, it would it like you could see

00:42:21   its reflection.

00:42:22   Like if you were filming with it and it could cast color because it's

00:42:26   again bright orange.

00:42:27   And they're really the darkest one last year was that dark navy blue.

00:42:32   And this year of course they've got a black one, which I think looks

00:42:34   really sick.

00:42:35   I think that thing is gonna be uh be awesome in And that thing

00:42:39   about the the reflection in the windows, that just feels like a problem for

00:42:43   people like Tyrell Stallman, right?

00:42:44   Like I would never see that.

00:42:46   I would never see it.

00:42:47   It was very hard for me to see it in the imagery that he

00:42:50   shot.

00:42:50   But obviously he is aware because he is a professional photographer.

00:42:53   That's right.

00:42:54   Like he can see that.

00:42:55   But like I think most people are are never gonna see that.

00:42:58   But he is making his review for p for professional photographers, so it makes

00:43:01   sense to bring it up.

00:43:02   Yeah.

00:43:03   Um Yeah, I mean that's that's through the the the lens of his work.

00:43:11   He really had to re reflect on it.

00:43:13   Please stop.

00:43:14   Okay.

00:43:15   Just please stop.

00:43:18   A bunch of people I mean Tyler I think included a little bit, but

00:43:23   definitely the other reviewers the say the variable aperture actually isn't that big of

00:43:28   a deal like when you have the phone in your hand, which is it

00:43:32   is interesting.

00:43:34   I think it's like most stuff with Apple's camera head hardware is like they

00:43:38   will do a thing, it has a minimal impact and it pays off over

00:43:42   a longer period of time.

00:43:44   Mm-hmm.

00:43:45   Because M KBHD said this in his video of like where this would be

00:43:49   the most interesting is if the sensor was larger.

00:43:52   Yeah.

00:43:53   And so you do this now and then over time the sensors get larger

00:43:58   and it becomes just more and more of a benefit over time.

00:44:00   So like, you know, it's like do you remember when they went to the

00:44:03   they had that like image stabilization that I did in one phone where like

00:44:07   this is gonna be a huge deal and it's like it was okay, but

00:44:10   then it's like it pays off just over time.

00:44:12   Like it just gets better and like a little bit better.

00:44:14   I think we are way past the

00:44:19   way past the timeline where anything can happen in a phone camera that makes

00:44:25   a massive difference.

00:44:26   Right.

00:44:27   Like I I think we have passed that now just because of how complicated

00:44:31   these things are and how much space they have to play with them.

00:44:34   Mm-hmm.

00:44:34   Um, that like there isn't really massive differences that you can make.

00:44:39   So you can get something like the Tetraprism lens, right?

00:44:42   It's a great you've got a longer zoom.

00:44:44   You can't put that in the iPhone Air or the foldable.

00:44:46   Right.

00:44:46   It's it's too it's too beefy.

00:44:49   So I I think the I'm happy that I have this.

00:44:51   It will clearly give me more options.

00:44:53   I think it looks like it can do some interesting stuff.

00:44:56   I like that they've made some images uh they made some changes to the

00:44:59   sensors in the iPhone.

00:45:01   It means that like images are sharper, they need night mode less often, this

00:45:05   stuff that Tyler was saying.

00:45:07   So there's a benefit there.

00:45:08   And then, you know, you just figure that the rest of it just kind

00:45:11   of kind of works itself out over time.

00:45:13   But it's not a huge as you say, it's not a huge impact.

00:45:16   Yeah.

00:45:16   It does kind of bring up for me the old desire for Apple just

00:45:20   to make a camera.

00:45:22   I mean like if they could just unlock, right?

00:45:25   Like if you if you remove the phone, you unlock it and just do

00:45:28   whatever you want.

00:45:29   Like what can they do?

00:45:30   Yeah.

00:45:30   Like Like i a p a point and shoot camera size, but with their

00:45:34   technology, I think would be pretty, pretty cool.

00:45:38   No, you gotta start petitioning it to new CEO John Tennis.

00:45:41   Maybe you'll do it.

00:45:42   I'll fix that next.

00:45:43   Yeah.

00:45:44   One thing the variable aperture does give you, and maybe the place where it's

00:45:49   most noticeable is depth of field.

00:45:52   And so st uh Stallman had in his video the shot of like a

00:45:57   cowboy and a horse was signed up behind him like in the frame.

00:46:01   And by default, basically the cowboy would be in focus and the horse would

00:46:06   be softer.

00:46:07   And if you do adjust that aperture, you can get both into focus or

00:46:12   you can do group shots better.

00:46:13   Like there are benefits to it.

00:46:16   It's just not night and day because of the the the tiny nature um

00:46:22   nature of these things.

00:46:24   But the the pro control stuff where you can have quicker access to a

00:46:29   lot of settings, I think is most compelling to somebody like Tyler, where you

00:46:33   can really dial in stuff.

00:46:35   And some of the stuff is new, some of it was hidden before.

00:46:38   Apple's taking a step in the direction of, you know, pro level uh tools

00:46:44   here.

00:46:45   Um, I do wonder if normal people will be confused by this stuff or

00:46:49   like, you know, just basically you can ignore it if you don't if you

00:46:53   don't want it, it's a little run cover to me.

00:46:55   I mean, I don't know what the um the default is, but I would

00:46:58   expect that all of that stuff is just turned off.

00:47:00   I think so.

00:47:01   By default, right?

00:47:02   And you'd have to add in the things that you want.

00:47:04   I I can't imagine that they put manual white balance adjustment in the camera

00:47:07   app for everyone that buys an iPhone Pro.

00:47:10   I hope not.

00:47:12   But um they are moving into the territory of uh of some of these

00:47:16   these other apps.

00:47:17   Um and Mike, your favorite feature, photographic styles, got some updates.

00:47:21   Oh god.

00:47:22   Yeah, I can't wait.

00:47:23   So you they're they've added in like the I think it's called texture, but

00:47:28   like it can add grain and stuff, which is something that I like to

00:47:30   add to images that so I'm excited to try out.

00:47:33   I don't know if I would um put this in the the like the

00:47:37   standard photographic style that I use um for every photo.

00:47:42   I can imagine I would maybe add it into images later, but we'll see.

00:47:46   Like I'm I'm really keen to play around with it.

00:47:48   I think it looks you know in some of the images that that Tyler

00:47:52   was sharing, I think it looks really great.

00:47:54   Like and so I'm I'm very excited about that.

00:47:56   So I'm gonna play around with that.

00:47:57   Um so look forward to hearing about it.

00:47:59   I think this is just on the new phones, right?

00:48:02   That I think?

00:48:04   I believe so.

00:48:05   I mean is I've I've I've taken a look on my phone and I

00:48:08   can't see it now, so I think it might just be on the it

00:48:10   might it might just be on the new phones.

00:48:11   Maybe it's a a function of the new processor or that's how they're locking

00:48:15   it off, which is a think of thing they did with photographic styles in

00:48:18   the first place place.

00:48:19   Uh so yeah, I'm excited to play around with it, even though I know

00:48:22   that at least thirty-three percent of this podcast really doesn't like photographic styles.

00:48:26   Um I do.

00:48:27   And uh I'm intrigued to see what the the the like the grain uh

00:48:31   kind of control will do to my images.

00:48:34   Yeah, it's not for me, but it's cool that's getting better.

00:48:37   Sixty six percent then.

00:48:38   Sixty six percent of people don't like photographic styles on this podcast.

00:48:41   Yeah.

00:48:42   Uh

00:48:44   the the sort of we're reaching for that film look.

00:48:47   I mean it it it is gonna it does fall down in some places.

00:48:51   I think Tyler's opinion that was kind of mixed.

00:48:54   But that is something a lot of people want.

00:48:56   Like there's whole cameras, right?

00:48:57   Like Fujifilm's whole thing is we're gonna emulate these old looks.

00:49:02   And anytime Apple like brings that into the camera app, m obviously more people

00:49:06   are gonna see it and use it, because most people aren't gonna use a

00:49:09   third-party camera app.

00:49:11   But it is uh it's fascinating that it's um

00:49:15   Maybe is I think it's better than I thought it would be.

00:49:17   I think would be my takeaway from watching Tyler's video.

00:49:20   But you know, we we'll see once we get these things in hand.

00:49:23   People want to add character to their images.

00:49:26   Definitely.

00:49:27   Yeah, that's why you use it, right?

00:49:28   You you found a look that you like and you want your photos to

00:49:32   all have that look.

00:49:33   Yeah, I like things to look a little bit warmer than what the iPhone

00:49:36   will produce naturally.

00:49:38   And so I get that.

00:49:40   Can we talk about the fact that and I don't know if it's been

00:49:43   the same for you guys, but in my experience, anecdotally, in real life, nobody

00:49:48   cares about the AT Pro this year.

00:49:50   I'm not surprised about it though, right?

00:49:52   And everybody just like I have been asked like multiple, multiple times already about

00:49:59   the iPhone Duo.

00:50:00   Same.

00:50:00   Yeah I th I think it's only natural, obviously.

00:50:03   I think Apple knows given the the billboards and the marketing campaigns that they've

00:50:07   started.

00:50:08   Yeah.

00:50:08   Um It I I posted immediately like during the keynote that the iPhone 18

00:50:15   Pro after the duo kind of felt like the iPhone 8 after the iPhone

00:50:20   10.

00:50:21   Yeah.

00:50:21   I mean it does feel like that.

00:50:22   Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:23   But it was kind of a joke in the moment, but now I think

00:50:26   it feels more and more like that.

00:50:28   The difference is the eighteen pro is still gonna be a master success.

00:50:31   Where like other phones that this has happened to maybe were not.

00:50:35   Right?

00:50:36   Like because I wouldn't say m I wouldn't say mass.

00:50:38   No, it's gonna be a massive success.

00:50:40   Like mm the the percentage of people that will not buy an eighteen pro

00:50:44   to buy an Ophon Duo is tiny.

00:50:47   I agree.

00:50:48   And and the the pro does really well.

00:50:50   It's their b it's their best selling phone, the pro line.

00:50:53   So like there's we'll find out, right?

00:50:55   Like it will be obvious to see.

00:50:57   But that they this phone, those phones are gonna sell great.

00:51:01   Like they're not gonna have a problem with it.

00:51:02   They're just not exciting, right?

00:51:04   Like they are not exciting at all compared to the duo.

00:51:08   But like if you look at what they've done here, this is a regular

00:51:11   year.

00:51:11   Like this is the year we would have gotten no matter what, because they

00:51:14   did a big redesign last year.

00:51:15   Like this would have just been the 18 Pro line.

00:51:18   Like without the duo, like they would have done this and it's like, okay,

00:51:22   'cause sometimes all you get in the phones is a little bit better camera,

00:51:25   some new colours, more battery.

00:51:27   And like that's essentially what this phone is.

00:51:30   But next to it is like one of the most exciting iPhones of all

00:51:35   time.

00:51:35   So of course no one's paying any attention to it.

00:51:38   No one cares about the 18 Pro, right?

00:51:40   Like they just don't care about it.

00:51:41   But it's it kind of makes me I'm the comparison that I will draw

00:51:47   is Spider-Man Brand New Day and the Odyssey.

00:51:51   Everyone's talking about the Odyssey, right?

00:51:53   Everyone's gonna go see the Odyssey.

00:51:55   We're gonna go see it.

00:51:56   Gotta go see it in IMAX.

00:51:58   Big deal.

00:51:59   Like everyone's gonna see it.

00:52:00   And that film made a load of money.

00:52:02   No one was really talking about Spider-Man Brand New Day.

00:52:05   And that film is one of the most successful movies of all time.

00:52:09   No, people were talking about Spider Man, come on.

00:52:11   They were talking about it, but not like how to talk about Odyssey.

00:52:14   Like everyone you can't move on the phone.

00:52:16   So you're seeing the duo is Odyssey and the eighteen pro is Spider Man

00:52:19   is that's your that okay.

00:52:21   That like the eighteen pro is the phone for quote unquote everybody.

00:52:25   Right?

00:52:26   Like it's the phone that people are just gonna buy and like they're not

00:52:28   really that excited about it, but it's iPhone that they want because it's just

00:52:32   an iPhone.

00:52:33   Like it's it's the thing that you buy.

00:52:35   And the duo is like, wow, like this is like a whole experience.

00:52:38   Imagine what this is gonna feel like.

00:52:40   Like everyone wants to try and, you know, like I want to experience this

00:52:44   thing, but it's not not everyone's gonna see it because you can only you

00:52:48   should only everyone says you've got to see it on the seventy millimeter IMAX,

00:52:51   you can't get tickets for that.

00:52:52   It's three hours long, right?

00:52:54   Like it's you know it it's it's uh classic is anyone gonna understand what

00:53:00   is happening, right?

00:53:00   Like that's how I would compare it so between those two things of like

00:53:05   Spider Man is for everyone, like the eighteen pro and the Odyssey is the

00:53:09   duo, which is like everyone's in interested in it, but they're not gonna go

00:53:13   see it.

00:53:14   This just sounds like Spider Man propaganda, honestly.

00:53:17   I mean Spider Man I think is the third most is the third highest

00:53:20   grossing movie of all time and is the highest gross in American movie of

00:53:23   all time.

00:53:25   Yeah, don't don't say anything about Spider Man, Steven, in front of Mike ever

00:53:29   again.

00:53:29   Apparently not.

00:53:30   I love Spider-Man.

00:53:30   I love Spider Man.

00:53:31   But I'm actually saying Spider Man is boring to the world, is what I'm

00:53:35   saying.

00:53:35   Right?

00:53:35   Like it's a thing that like it's not draw not drawing the amount of

00:53:38   conversation out and comparing it to the pro, which we're saying is the more

00:53:41   boring phone.

00:53:43   It is interesting that there there already are ads in the world for the

00:53:47   duo, which you can't till next month.

00:53:49   Ridic it's like a ridiculous decision.

00:53:51   It is

00:53:53   And the and the uh the iPhone Air never got a single ad, as

00:53:57   far as I could tell.

00:53:59   Yeah.

00:54:00   Which is sad.

00:54:01   But yeah.

00:54:02   It's very strange.

00:54:04   It is interesting because the iPhone Air drew a lot of attention last year.

00:54:08   It did.

00:54:09   Like even if Apple didn't give it, right?

00:54:11   Like the the view numbers on YouTube videos for reviews, the air took the

00:54:15   majority of that.

00:54:17   Yeah.

00:54:17   Because people were interested in it.

00:54:19   But this thing is like on a whole different level.

00:54:21   Um it's gonna be fascinating and it's gonna be really hard to get one.

00:54:25   I think that's probably true.

00:54:27   Yeah, they're gonna sell them out.

00:54:28   Like they will sell them out because you've got all the early adopters are

00:54:32   gonna want one and then you're you are going to have a portion of

00:54:36   people who would not be an early adopter who would be like, I I'm

00:54:40   excited about this technology, I would like to try, and they're gonna they're gonna

00:54:43   go for it.

00:54:43   So I I think this phone will be the most successful new phone that

00:54:47   they've maybe ever had, right?

00:54:49   Like outside of the you know, the ten or whatever.

00:54:52   You know, like it's something being added to the lineup.

00:54:55   Like it's gonna do better than the plus, it's gonna do better than the

00:54:57   mini, is gonna do better than the air.

00:55:00   It's it's so curious.

00:55:02   Uh we just don't uh I don't know if I'd go that far.

00:55:05   I think it will be successful for them, but I I also think that

00:55:10   it may be weirdly shaped that the early adopter crowd will be a big

00:55:17   push, but then will it will it slow down?

00:55:20   Will it be okay, like this is for people who I mean, one, they

00:55:24   have and want to spend the money on it, which is a self selecting

00:55:28   group.

00:55:28   But then maybe it's it's

00:55:31   most people don't understand the benefit of it or aren't gonna s I mean,

00:55:35   or aren't gonna spend the money on it and or maybe wanna wait 'til

00:55:38   gen two.

00:55:38   Like I just I think the shape of it may be really different to

00:55:42   things we've seen in the past.

00:55:45   Yeah, and I think that shape is gonna be to the moon.

00:55:47   I think they're gonna sell so many of these phones.

00:55:49   Like I know the price is expensive, but people spread it out over like

00:55:53   two or three years that it becomes less of a thing.

00:55:55   Oh especially now, right?

00:55:56   They've made they've made it even easier to do.

00:55:58   Yeah but I mean people buying for the carrier, right?

00:56:01   And like the carrier doesn't want you to pay them for the phone up

00:56:03   front.

00:56:04   They want you to spread that phone cost out over multiple years.

00:56:07   Makes it more uh achievable, right?

00:56:09   It's uh I I think that this phone's gonna be a big success.

00:56:14   We mentioned iOS twenty-seven point two earlier, but that's not to overshadow the other

00:56:21   twenty-seven twenty seven releases that were just uh earlier this week.

00:56:24   So Federico, you've got reviews up on Mac stories.

00:56:27   Uh Jason and Dan wrote a bunch of stuff over at Six Colors.

00:56:30   Um Federico, I'd love to get your sort of top level iOS, iPad OS

00:56:35   twenty seven feeling.

00:56:37   Oh, there's not much to say about iPad OS twenty seven, right?

00:56:40   I mean it's uh couple of menu bar tweaks

00:56:44   and uh some keyboard shortcuts here and there.

00:56:48   Um some of the shortcuts automations are especially useful on the iPad.

00:56:52   They're not iPad exclusive,

00:56:55   but you know the keyboard automation trigger is especially nice on the iPad when

00:56:59   you combine it with the magic keyboard, for example.

00:57:03   So it's mostly about iOS.

00:57:05   And I think I I think overall the

00:57:11   I called it

00:57:13   Mike chuckled when I sent it to him, uh geographically ambiguous release.

00:57:20   In the sense that if you live in America and or if you are

00:57:24   in one of the support regions for Siri AI, um I think it's an

00:57:30   exciting update.

00:57:31   I think uh especially I think Apple has done a nice job um

00:57:37   sticking the landing with Siri AI.

00:57:39   They made it work.

00:57:40   It's not perfect.

00:57:42   Um the indexing

00:57:46   Has to become something that Apple keeps improving over the next few years, especially

00:57:50   with with uh new hardware.

00:57:52   Yes.

00:57:52   Um it still takes too long for especially when you're uh it's it's quite

00:57:58   ironic that Apple is saying you can get all of these third party apps

00:58:01   to work in Siri AI, but if you go to the App Store, download

00:58:04   a third party app and then try to use it immediately with Siri AI,

00:58:08   it doesn't work because it's it's not indexed right away.

00:58:11   Um so that that that has to become something that gets fixed eventually, right?

00:58:16   Um But I think overall uh it does work.

00:58:20   And especially once the indexing is done and up to date, uh you can

00:58:25   get some pretty pretty great results from C AI with your email.

00:58:29   Uh obviously some things still work locally, like if you ask to set a

00:58:33   timer or if you control home kit devices, um it all happens locally on

00:58:38   device.

00:58:39   I think it's a little bit of a miracle that the company that was

00:58:43   two years more than two years late to the promises um came out with

00:58:48   this very lofty goal of a system orchestrator that handles like five different models

00:58:55   and everybody and everybody was like, Yeah, sure.

00:58:57   Uh sure, Craig, you're gonna make it work by September.

00:59:00   And they did.

00:59:02   I mean, by all means it does work.

00:59:05   Um, so that's impressive.

00:59:07   It shows that the original ideas that they had were good ideas.

00:59:10   They just did not have the technology

00:59:14   to make them work, right?

00:59:16   Yeah, and and and arguably

00:59:20   They they barely made it work.

00:59:22   Like I I think they got a model that is just good enough to

00:59:27   make it work.

00:59:29   Those foundation models, even the cloud pro model, the the big fancy one in

00:59:34   private cloud computers, like it's not a it's not a good model.

00:59:38   It's good enough for what's needed right now.

00:59:41   They have a good uh I found more surprising, honestly, how surprisingly good the

00:59:48   Apple world knowledge database can be, more so than the quality of Cloud Pro.

00:59:55   So I think they're gonna, it's gonna be interesting to see how frequently Apple

01:00:00   deploys new models.

01:00:02   I guess that's the part that they can do more easily, right?

01:00:06   In theory.

01:00:07   Especially the cloud models.

01:00:09   So in th yes.

01:00:11   So the usually these these the other AI companies, the way that they do

01:00:16   it is um so they release new models, but then for for in for

01:00:20   these models they also update their checkpoints every once in a while.

01:00:25   Uh but they're very open about it, right?

01:00:27   And so I don't think Apple is gonna be open about the fact that

01:00:30   Cloud Pro, you know, version one point two is out or version two point

01:00:33   zero is out.

01:00:34   Um I would be very surprised if they share any more details about the

01:00:40   actual models.

01:00:41   Um but I think overall

01:00:45   they had the right shape for it two years ago.

01:00:50   Uh they just need a they just needed a reset and I think you

01:00:54   know hats off to the people who work on the system orchestrator that creating

01:01:00   a really good router for AI models, especially when you're dealing with different flavors

01:01:06   of models running on device for some devices and different models running in the

01:01:11   cloud,

01:01:12   that's not easy.

01:01:14   And from I think from everything we've seen, it works well.

01:01:20   Hmm.

01:01:21   Mm.

01:01:22   I would also say that iOS twenty seven is just a really good version

01:01:25   of iOS.

01:01:26   It is.

01:01:27   From a design perspective, they polished a lot of things.

01:01:31   From a performance perspective, they've done a lot of work.

01:01:35   It is, I think

01:01:37   in recent years the best performing version of iOS with the with the you

01:01:42   know nothing is ever bug free, right?

01:01:46   Um but it is the most stable version of iOS.

01:01:51   Has been especially on J one.

01:01:53   Especially yeah.

01:01:54   Even developer developer beta one.

01:01:56   Yeah.

01:01:58   Yep.

01:01:59   And and I I installed the beta of twenty seven point two yesterday.

01:02:05   It's even nicer.

01:02:06   Like it feels even speedier than 27.0 so whatever process they have now I'm

01:02:13   sure that Apple engineers are getting some some assistance from coding agents like everybody

01:02:18   else at this point.

01:02:19   Um, but whatever system they have put in place, it's working, I think.

01:02:26   And then it's just a nice update, I will say, you know, to complete

01:02:30   this type trifecta of series performance and If you're an iPhone nerd, to just

01:02:37   a bunch of smaller nice changes and tweaks here and there throughout the system,

01:02:42   like small features, small additions, you know, obviously big update to shortcuts with natural

01:02:47   language.

01:02:48   I saw that they're I saw a post this morning that they're working on

01:02:54   letting you create

01:02:56   shortcuts with natural language with third party apps.

01:03:01   Uh there's a there's a hidden flag already in 27.2 that you can enable

01:03:07   and describe a shortcut will happily make a third party app shortcut for you.

01:03:12   So that's nice.

01:03:13   Yeah that's a g that's a big oversight in the first version, right?

01:03:16   Yeah.

01:03:17   I don't know.

01:03:18   There's just a a a whole bunch of changes here and there.

01:03:20   Notes getting markdown support.

01:03:22   I you know, it even a markdown mention in the splash screen of the

01:03:27   notes app when you open it up for the first time.

01:03:29   I mean I would have guessed.

01:03:31   Um, you know, uh photos as a camera role again, sort of, like it's

01:03:37   a filter that you need to enable manually.

01:03:39   Hopefully they make it an option uh as a default at some point.

01:03:44   I think overall it's a it's just a nice version of iOS.

01:03:49   Uh most people outside of supported regions will find it boring.

01:03:55   Uh my friends updated and said, okay, so what's new?

01:03:59   And that's a typical sign that you know it doesn't resonate with most people

01:04:04   the way that like a splashy redesign did last year.

01:04:08   Um they don't have access to the new series, so that's a shame.

01:04:13   Um I think it I I think the best version of iOS is the

01:04:18   one that of iOS twenty seven is the one that's in America right now.

01:04:22   And I feel more positive about it now than I did in June, and

01:04:26   I'm pretty happy with what Apple delivered.

01:04:30   Yeah, I mean I I echo everything you're saying.

01:04:33   Obviously I've not I use it but I don't use it to the level

01:04:36   that you use it.

01:04:37   I don't know if anybody does.

01:04:38   Um but I've been very happy with iOS and I and I've you know

01:04:43   I've spoken on this show and upgrade and everywhere.

01:04:45   Like I am I am a big fan of Siri AI.

01:04:48   Like I think that they have done a very, very good job at creating

01:04:51   the tool that needs to be on the iPhone.

01:04:54   Like I think it it does the job.

01:04:56   I I'm disappointed with the third party app support uh so far.

01:05:02   Now I said this on upgrade that I I'm frustrated with the fact that

01:05:08   you need to call out the name of the app, the third party apps

01:05:11   that you want to use.

01:05:12   You know, you like, show me my tasks in this.

01:05:15   And somebody reached out to me from Apple and said, the system learns.

01:05:20   Yes, it does.

01:05:21   I it takes a while.

01:05:23   I believe that, but that doesn't feel like the experience that I want, right?

01:05:27   Like why can't I just tell the system and then I don't have to

01:05:32   think about it anymore?

01:05:34   Like at what point how will I know that I have to stop saying

01:05:37   saying show me my tasks and to doist or add this task to to

01:05:40   doist like there's no way of me knowing that the system has learned that

01:05:45   unless there is an exchange between me and Siri that explains this, right?

01:05:50   Which I doubt that it does.

01:05:51   I doubt that it goes one day.

01:05:53   Oh, by the way, I know you mean to do this now, whenever you

01:05:57   want to add a task.

01:05:59   So like there's no way of me knowing, right?

01:06:01   Um and so I

01:06:03   I think it would be good to have some kind of experience where you

01:06:07   can set some defaults, even if it is as simple as you just giving

01:06:11   the command to the system one day, right?

01:06:13   And like and it's just got that taken care of.

01:06:16   So you know, like it's but I'm happy that they've that they have thought

01:06:20   about it, right, to the point that like the system can understand it.

01:06:23   Like that is a a positive, but I would like to see them take

01:06:27   the the final step with that.

01:06:30   Um but but just for like doing things with your device, like it's it

01:06:36   is brilliant what it can do b because it has access to the two

01:06:43   biggest sources of data in my life that I can't really deal with, which

01:06:49   is my email and my eye messages.

01:06:51   Like just that alone,

01:06:54   it becomes a better memory than I will ever have.

01:06:57   Like so it's I'm very, very impressed with it and continue to be.

01:07:02   Um I've yet to really use serie ai on my Mac.

01:07:06   I only I I I I installed Golden Gate like on Monday.

01:07:10   Um but I don't know why, but it's like it feels more like an

01:07:14   iPhone experience to me than a Mac experience, like to ask these kinds of

01:07:18   questions.

01:07:18   But maybe I just need to try and like ingrain that into my into

01:07:22   my workflows.

01:07:23   But yeah, I I like it a lot.

01:07:24   But yes, going back to IOS, uh I feel bad for people that can't

01:07:28   get serious, honestly.

01:07:29   Like I I think that it's a real bummer and I don't know what

01:07:33   the solution is at this point, but I I really hope that they can

01:07:37   find one and the recent ch the recent kind of like DMA settlement gives

01:07:42   me hope that there is some kind of thing in on the horizon for

01:07:46   users in the European Union to be able to get access to Syria if

01:07:49   they want it.

01:07:51   Hope that's the case.

01:07:53   I want to talk about Golden Gate a little bit.

01:07:56   Obviously, it does a much better job with liquid glass than Tahoe did.

01:08:01   I think Mike's got some notes about that in a second.

01:08:04   The thing that is sort of Bugging me at the moment, well, two things.

01:08:08   One

01:08:10   menu bar managers are all just broken.

01:08:12   Apple really changed how the menu bar works.

01:08:14   And I

01:08:17   the the fix would be let me put classic menu bar apps into control

01:08:22   center.

01:08:23   But you can't.

01:08:24   You can only put newfangled controls in there.

01:08:27   And that's not enough for a lot of these menu bar apps that do

01:08:30   a lot of things.

01:08:31   Apple did ha or does have in Golden Gate a little menu bar shorteners

01:08:37   if you have a notch or a narrow screen, but you have very little

01:08:40   control over how it actually works.

01:08:42   And if you want something sort of always visible, um good luck.

01:08:46   It it that is my favorite feature in Golden Gate.

01:08:49   But it's chaos.

01:08:50   Like let me have control over it.

01:08:52   Like if you have a lot of stuff.

01:08:54   Yeah, I I I got rid of lots of stuff from my menu bar

01:08:57   when all the apps started breaking.

01:08:58   So like I don't have that many things in there, But it was too

01:09:02   many for my laptop.

01:09:03   Like if I would start timery, it would push everything out because timery can

01:09:07   get quite long, right?

01:09:08   But that's what I wanted to do.

01:09:09   Mm-hmm.

01:09:10   So then they would just be gone.

01:09:12   There was nothing I could do on my MacBook A.

01:09:14   Like they were just gone.

01:09:15   Uh and so I like that now I can press that little button and

01:09:18   see what's hidden under the notch.

01:09:19   Can't believe it took 'em this long, but I'm happy that they did it.

01:09:22   Yeah I mean the the notch machines have been out what, like Years.

01:09:25   Five years or something.

01:09:26   It's going back to like the M one MacBook Pro.

01:09:29   Yeah.

01:09:30   Not not ideal.

01:09:32   Um M1 Pro Mightp Pro.

01:09:34   Yeah.

01:09:34   One and then they ful put the fourteen inch in.

01:09:36   That's right.

01:09:37   The uh so uh you know, that'll get worked out over time, I think.

01:09:42   The other issue that has really sort of drive me me nuts is this

01:09:48   I guess it's a security feature.

01:09:50   You get notifications says app running in background.

01:09:52   So I put a screenshot in our show notes.

01:09:55   I got this.

01:09:55   It said Adobe Photoshop 2026 dot app.

01:09:58   That's in quotes.

01:10:00   Is running in the background.

01:10:01   You can manage background apps in the doc and in system settings.

01:10:06   So for a couple years now, you can tell Apple or tell macOS, uh,

01:10:11   I don't want this app running in the background.

01:10:13   Likewise, you can say I don't want this app visible in the menu bar.

01:10:16   But

01:10:18   it's this middle step is not what I want.

01:10:21   Like this happened because I had closed my last Photoshop document.

01:10:25   It's still running.

01:10:26   I want it running because I'm in and out of Photoshop all the time.

01:10:30   I don't need to be reminded that it's still running.

01:10:33   And what's weirder is in the doc, you know, in the doc you get

01:10:36   little dots if an app is running, which is optional for some reason.

01:10:42   These apps that macOS has determined are running in the background get a 50%

01:10:48   opacity dot,

01:10:50   which I guess is logical within the system, but the system is bad.

01:10:55   Like maybe have this on for standard users, but I run as an administrator.

01:10:59   Like I I understand that just because an app doesn't have any windows in

01:11:03   it, it's still running.

01:11:04   And you c as far as I can tell, you can't turn it off.

01:11:07   See I thought that this was for when apps are doing things that you

01:11:11   don't want 'em to do, kind of thing.

01:11:13   I guess.

01:11:14   But it in this case, like Photoshop literally just was sitting there with no

01:11:17   open windows.

01:11:19   Right.

01:11:19   I don't understand why you know maybe they're gonna find out.

01:11:25   Like I've chosen that.

01:11:26   Right.

01:11:27   I did have this for Photoshop when I quit it.

01:11:30   Hmm.

01:11:31   It popped back up again.

01:11:33   That was when I saw it.

01:11:34   And I think it was updating.

01:11:35   It was dude.

01:11:36   Adobe was doing whatever the on earth Adobe does on my computer all the

01:11:41   time.

01:11:42   Uh it was doing something there.

01:11:44   And then I just manually quit it from there again.

01:11:46   Like n this is after I quit the app.

01:11:47   So like I s that's the only experience I've had of it so far.

01:11:50   And I was like, that's interesting.

01:11:52   Um but if I was doing what you're doing, if I've just like got

01:11:55   just closed all my windows, it's like the app is running like it's supposed

01:11:58   to be.

01:11:59   It's not running in background.

01:12:01   Like it It's a choice that you have made as a user.

01:12:05   I keep getting that Intel thing too, and it's stressing me out.

01:12:09   I have yeah, because this is the last so Rosetta is not installed by

01:12:13   default with Golden Gate on a clean install.

01:12:16   And it is the last version of Mac OS that is going to support

01:12:20   Rosetta 2 at all.

01:12:22   And they are really hitting home that that's the case.

01:12:26   And it's freaking me out, man, because there's some apps that I got in

01:12:28   there that I just don't do anything about it and then and then I

01:12:32   don't know what I'm gonna do when they stop working.

01:12:36   And it's stressing me out.

01:12:38   Yeah.

01:12:39   I have uh I think

01:12:41   I know like the software for my label printer is in there.

01:12:45   Um I think that's the main one that I have still but a bunch

01:12:48   of Logitech software is in there, but maybe I just haven't

01:12:51   software because I never really want to touch the Logitech software.

01:12:54   Yeah.

01:12:55   So that's one the um I use an app called webcam settings that can

01:13:00   let me change the hertz rate on the camera because

01:13:05   Apple just think that you don't need to worry about that, even though you

01:13:08   absolutely do, because of Wiser Camera Flickers.

01:13:11   Then I also have the Family Feud app.

01:13:13   Mmm.

01:13:15   When we play Family Feud.

01:13:16   So I don't know what we're gonna do there because the people that make

01:13:18   those apps

01:13:20   insist that they must be made in Adobe Air.

01:13:23   And so I don't know what we're gonna do uh past this year.

01:13:28   So that'd be fun.

01:13:29   You just have we have an old machine running, you know.

01:13:32   If only we knew someone who had old computers.

01:13:35   Don't I yeah, I don't know.

01:13:38   So I I I get it.

01:13:40   I think like a lot of things in Mac OS, this may get dialed

01:13:44   back over time.

01:13:44   I mean, do you remember f uh Jason I think sort of sort of

01:13:47   famously had that post where he took a screenshot of a Mac after an

01:13:50   update or after a migration maybe and it was just all notifications about security

01:13:56   things.

01:13:57   I I think they can find a middle ground here or let an admin

01:14:00   turn it off because it's driving me bananas.

01:14:04   I think I might be the only person

01:14:07   who runs their Mac in dark mode all the time.

01:14:11   Could be.

01:14:13   Because boy is dark mode looks really different and I don't think I like

01:14:18   it, uh, in in Golden Gate.

01:14:21   So I I went on this great website uh called five hundred and twelve

01:14:25   pixels and they put together the screenshot library and it shows clearly what I

01:14:30   want you to look at is if you look at the menu uh like

01:14:34   the the the menu, like there's there's a uh y any of the menus.

01:14:38   I I've pulled out something here.

01:14:40   I think this is I don't remember what this uh image is, but it's

01:14:44   like showing a bunch of windows, the Nuts app and it shows a a

01:14:46   menu that Stephen Ball.

01:14:47   Yeah, that is what is this image?

01:14:48   Is it called it's called appearance?

01:14:50   So I show the different colors.

01:14:51   So you have pulled the custom color for my MacBook Neo and then multicolor

01:14:56   from the year before.

01:14:57   And I always do little Easter eggs in the notes.

01:15:00   So this year's note is about the Golden Gate.

01:15:02   Bridge.

01:15:02   Last year's note is about the Chevrolet Tahoe.

01:15:04   Brilliant.

01:15:05   I really like it.

01:15:06   But can you see the color difference in the in the menu?

01:15:10   Yeah.

01:15:10   The it's bronzier.

01:15:12   Now part of that is it's right.

01:15:14   Yeah.

01:15:14   Well part of it is this is dark mode is really affected by your

01:15:19   wallpaper, more so than light mode.

01:15:21   And so this looks bronzier, but I think that's because of the wallpaper primarily.

01:15:26   Ignor ignore the wallpaper because I can tell you I have not changed my

01:15:29   wallpaper.

01:15:30   Right.

01:15:31   The the thing that is going on here is all of the menus, so

01:15:35   the contextual menus, the menus from the menu bar, they're way that that that

01:15:40   UI is very

01:15:42   Bright visually.

01:15:44   So it doesn't feel in keeping with dark mode.

01:15:48   Like they they've brightened the menus.

01:15:50   And I and and it's it looks very jarring to me.

01:15:54   And I don't really know why they've done this, like it and it's not

01:16:00   affected by the transparency situation.

01:16:03   Um like you know, like the amount of clearness.

01:16:06   Like it it's just they seem to have brightened it.

01:16:09   So I don't like that, but I'm gonna get used to that.

01:16:11   It's fine.

01:16:12   It's noticeable to me right now because I've just upgraded my Mac, right?

01:16:15   Um, but in a couple of weeks' time I'm not gonna see it anymore.

01:16:18   But it is an an odd decision to me.

01:16:20   Uh but the fact that I was the only person that I know that

01:16:24   seems to have felt this.

01:16:25   Like I didn't see it in any reviews that I read.

01:16:27   Or like it's like, oh no one uses their Mac in Dark mode.

01:16:30   Yeah, I know.

01:16:31   I'm the one.

01:16:31   Uh I'm using I use my Mac in Doc mode all the time.

01:16:35   Um but yeah, I other than that, like the window shaping, the sidebar stuff,

01:16:40   it does look way better.

01:16:42   Like these are things that I didn't really think I would care about and

01:16:44   because they didn't really they didn't really bother me in Tahoe.

01:16:48   Um but I I prefer the way that like finder windows look in in

01:16:52   Golden Gate.

01:16:53   Um the Safari tab organization is much more prominent on the Mac.

01:16:59   And the suggestions that it makes a spot on, I just don't think it's

01:17:02   a feature I would ever use.

01:17:04   Like I don't need my tabs to be organized for me because I don't

01:17:07   keep lots of tabs open.

01:17:09   Um I know people, I know people in my life, in my family who

01:17:13   I love who like have hundreds of tabs that I I I will want

01:17:17   to show this to, but I know they will pay no attention to it

01:17:20   because they somehow think that they can live their life this way anyway.

01:17:23   So I don't think any amount of organization is gonna be something that they're

01:17:25   gonna want.

01:17:26   Have I have I told y'all the story?

01:17:28   I probably have.

01:17:29   One time Mary came home from work and she was like, Hey, I can't

01:17:31   any tabs on my phone.

01:17:33   I was like, Oh, that's weird.

01:17:34   Let me look at it.

01:17:35   Because she had hit the limit of open Safari tabs, which I think is

01:17:38   five hundred.

01:17:41   I don't understand it.

01:17:42   I don't I just don't understand it.

01:17:43   Like it just feels counter to everything that I would want to do on

01:17:47   my phone or my Mac to have so many tabs open, right?

01:17:49   'Cause like I'm never gonna find anything in there anyway.

01:17:52   So why not just close anyway?

01:17:54   Um and I like having the Syrian spotlight.

01:17:57   UI together.

01:17:58   Um, I am noticing that thing I've seen people talk about this online about

01:18:04   the highlights in Golden Gate.

01:18:08   Cause I have the XDR display.

01:18:11   This is just like e the the s the spotlight UI is very bright.

01:18:17   Yeah.

01:18:17   Um and like this idea of like, oh this is coming for an OLED

01:18:20   display, right?

01:18:21   Like on a on a MacBook Pro, like they're making some changes.

01:18:23   Like there is some area I it doesn't bother me.

01:18:25   I'm saying it's a bad thing it's just a thing that I have seen

01:18:27   too.

01:18:27   It's like, oh, there is some parts of Golden Gate where like the UI

01:18:32   is like very much bright, uh much more bright for a for a uh

01:18:37   OLED display.

01:18:38   So it's cool.

01:18:38   It's cool to see.

01:18:39   We'll see what's happening.

01:18:40   I have turned HDR off on my Pro Displex DR because it's just too

01:18:45   much.

01:18:46   Too much.

01:18:47   Anything else with Golden Gate for you?

01:18:50   I mean, I haven't been using it for long enough.

01:18:52   Um but but overall, uh I'm happy with it.

01:18:55   I'm happy with all of the releases this year.

01:18:57   I think the twenty seven releases are fantastic.

01:18:59   I think they've they've done a great job.

01:19:01   Um

01:19:02   I would love them to continue on this road, right?

01:19:05   Like I don't think that this should be the only year where it's like

01:19:08   we improved a bunch of stuff.

01:19:10   Mm-hmm.

01:19:10   I think it's it's clear how they did it.

01:19:12   And so that would suggest to me that every year we should get similar

01:19:15   improvements now.

01:19:16   I I agree.

01:19:17   This should be the new normal and it doesn't have to be a quote

01:19:21   unquote snow leopard year.

01:19:22   Like they still had features this year, right?

01:19:24   It wasn't just these performance and and bug fixes.

01:19:30   The robots are helping you do it.

01:19:31   So like this is what software should be like now.

01:19:33   Software should be be safer, better to use, run faster, fewer bugs because experienced

01:19:40   coders have incredible machines at their fingertips.

01:19:43   That's right.

01:19:44   And so you kind of make that you combine those two things together and

01:19:47   software should be getting better than it's ever gotten before.

01:19:50   And I think that that is an example in the operating systems this year.

01:19:54   Good job, Apple.

01:19:56   Mm-hmm.

01:19:56   What we're saying.

01:19:58   I think that does it for this week.

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01:20:36   I'm about halfway through John's uh Golden Gate review and I'm learning things.

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01:21:00   Yeah.

01:21:00   Two weeks in a row.

01:21:02   I don't understand.

01:21:04   I g I don't y'all each have like More to say.

01:21:08   I don't have another podcast anymore.

01:21:09   You're saying it.

01:21:10   You can just say whatever you want.

01:21:11   You know what?

01:21:13   You can find me in my backyard hanging out with my chickens.

01:21:16   Please don't.

01:21:16   Oh, you have chickens.

01:21:17   Don't do that.

01:21:20   Four?

01:21:20   Wow.

01:21:22   We're just learning this?

01:21:25   It's okay to just learn this.

01:21:25   You guys say it's okay to just learn this.

01:21:27   I had no idea about the chickens.

01:21:29   To be fair, the p the really the only place the chicken content happens

01:21:32   is on backstage.

01:21:34   Yeah.

01:21:35   I don't think you've spoken about the chickens in other places, Steven.

01:21:39   I think they ended up on the now page once, but you know it's

01:21:42   fine.

01:21:42   It's fine.

01:21:43   Okay.

01:21:43   Now page and relay membership shows.

01:21:46   Fortune.

01:21:46   Steven has chickens.

01:21:47   There is a fundraising goal that we have passed.

01:21:51   Yep.

01:21:51   I think.

01:21:52   Where we're gonna make a video where Steven tries to get me to look

01:21:55   after his chickens, which I'll tell you right now, I'm not gonna enjoy that.

01:21:59   So that's something that people can look can can be excited about.

01:22:02   I'm gonna f they're gonna freak me out.

01:22:05   So

01:22:06   we've got that going for us.

01:22:07   So everyone can look forward to the video coming in the future of me

01:22:10   looking after the chicken.

01:22:11   They're very gentle.

01:22:12   Very we have very move in ways I don't expect.

01:22:15   I'm gonna be I'm gonna be very nervous about it.

01:22:17   We have very docile chickens.

01:22:19   So

01:22:20   docile.

01:22:21   I'm telling you, it's I'm not gonna I'm I'm uh it's gonna freak me

01:22:24   out.

01:22:24   That's I'm looking forward to it.

01:22:25   That's what makes it a good Yeah campaign thing.

01:22:29   Yeah uh we got lots of fun stuff going on the St.

01:22:32   Jude campaign.

01:22:33   You can go check that out at Saint Jude.org slash relay.

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01:22:43   You can start your own fundraiser and raise money in your own social circles.

01:22:48   Go check that out.

01:22:49   Yeah.

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01:23:04   And until next time, guys, say goodbye.

01:23:07   Arrivederci.

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