Connected

00:00:07 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to episode six hundred and twenty-five of Connected.

00:00:11 ◼   ► This show is brought to you by Century.

00:00:13 ◼   ► I am once again Mike Hurley and I am also once again joined by

00:00:16 ◼   ► Federico Vitigi.

00:00:18 ◼   ► Hi Federico.

00:00:19 ◼   ► Hello, Mike.

00:00:20 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:20 ◼   ► It's just us again.

00:00:22 ◼   ► So this episode it was supposed to be all three of us.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Steven right now is on a college tour with his daughter which is like

00:00:30 ◼   ► a thing that makes me feel old for him that he's doing that.

00:00:36 ◼   ► He already does feel old enough.

00:00:38 ◼   ► He does, but I feel old for him.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Yeah um and for reasons that we will get to in today's episode, we

00:00:44 ◼   ► had to move our recording to today Friday.

00:00:46 ◼   ► There's very good reasons for it.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Um so unfortunately Steven isn't here.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Um and actually let's just start with not even uh not even follow up.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Let's start with tiny topic one 'cause I think it actually makes a lot

00:00:58 ◼   ► of sense for next week's episode is going to just be me and Steven

00:01:03 ◼   ► because you are going to be in Los Angeles next week.

00:01:07 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:08 ◼   ► What's going on next week, Federico?

00:01:10 ◼   ► Uh Pro and Tel.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Pro and tell.

00:01:14 ◼   ► So you're going to an Apple, I guess their experiences now.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Like I don't even know what they are experiences, my friend.

00:01:22 ◼   ► They're no longer events.

00:01:23 ◼   ► So you will be I guess you may actually be on your way home.

00:01:27 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:01:27 ◼   ► But like you you will be uh traveling, you're going out to see what

00:01:31 ◼   ► we assume to be the touchscreen MacBook Pro, which is pretty cool.

00:01:36 ◼   ► We assume it to be that.

00:01:38 ◼   ► Pretty cool.

00:01:38 ◼   ► I still kinda struggle to imagine that to realize not to imagine to realize

00:01:45 ◼   ► that Apple invited me to this event.

00:01:47 ◼   ► You're Mac boy now.

00:01:49 ◼   ► You're telling the Mac story They need someone who can tell the Mac story.

00:01:53 ◼   ► So you know, they bring the Mac story guy.

00:01:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:56 ◼   ► You know?

00:01:57 ◼   ► Think about it.

00:01:57 ◼   ► It might as well be that they just call me up and be like

00:02:00 ◼   ► hey Tichi, come see the new iPad mini.

00:02:03 ◼   ► Now that seems like a long trip for an iPad mini.

00:02:06 ◼   ► I don't I I don't even know if that will be like I don't

00:02:11 ◼   ► I mean who knows?

00:02:12 ◼   ► Like I have no idea what to expect.

00:02:13 ◼   ► You'd you don't put on such an event in Los Angeles

00:02:19 ◼   ► just for an iPad meeting The star of the show is the MacBook Pro,

00:02:22 ◼   ► even if they have even if they have an iP an iPod I p

00:02:26 ◼   ► I pad mini men, I really struggled with that like I was just k

00:02:29 ◼   ► just kept calling it iPod mini like four times in a row.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Uh even if they have it the the MacBook is what they're bringing people

00:02:35 ◼   ► out for.

00:02:36 ◼   ► And like you it makes sense to me why they would do it in

00:02:38 ◼   ► LA, right?

00:02:39 ◼   ► It's like they're still while they're still going while they will be also, of

00:02:43 ◼   ► course, talking a lot about local AI, which I'm convinced is why you will

00:02:47 ◼   ► be there.

00:02:48 ◼   ► That's

00:02:49 ◼   ► that's a good call.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Okay.

00:02:51 ◼   ► They will be wanting to talk about local AI in these machines because they're

00:02:55 ◼   ► But probably gonna be the M five Max and Ultra maybe maybe in a

00:02:59 ◼   ► laptop.

00:03:00 ◼   ► But anyway, there's a lot to do.

00:03:01 ◼   ► An ul an ultra in a laptop.

00:03:03 ◼   ► I don't know man.

00:03:03 ◼   ► I'm just saying stuff now.

00:03:04 ◼   ► It's probably max.

00:03:06 ◼   ► Like well, who knows?

00:03:07 ◼   ► We don't know.

00:03:08 ◼   ► We don't.

00:03:09 ◼   ► What does it take the power of touch screen?

00:03:10 ◼   ► Nobody could know.

00:03:12 ◼   ► Um, but they're doing it in LA, I expect, because they want they will

00:03:15 ◼   ► still want to do the like creative roots kind of thing, right?

00:03:19 ◼   ► Like music and film and TV.

00:03:21 ◼   ► Um because they don't do these things in LA.

00:03:23 ◼   ► Like Right.

00:03:24 ◼   ► And so I don't I don't actually have any details about like the location.

00:03:28 ◼   ► I'm not even aware if Apple has a space.

00:03:31 ◼   ► I mean I know that they have the Apple TV studios, they have the

00:03:34 ◼   ► Apple TV, the Apple Music studios.

00:03:36 ◼   ► Do you even know where in LA it is?

00:03:39 ◼   ► No clue.

00:03:39 ◼   ► Not even close.

00:03:40 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:41 ◼   ► I do not know right now.

00:03:43 ◼   ► Cause technically their studios are in a place called Culver City, which is like

00:03:48 ◼   ► in the kind of LA county.

00:03:50 ◼   ► I I don't

00:03:52 ◼   ► who knows?

00:03:52 ◼   ► They might do it there.

00:03:53 ◼   ► I mean it'd be fun, right?

00:03:54 ◼   ► Where's Apple Music?

00:03:55 ◼   ► Is that in LA?

00:03:57 ◼   ► I think.

00:03:58 ◼   ► I think it is right now.

00:03:59 ◼   ► That'd be cool.

00:04:00 ◼   ► I think like that could be incredible experiences.

00:04:02 ◼   ► I can go say hi to Zane Lowe.

00:04:04 ◼   ► I mean I would like Zane.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Hi Zane.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Hi Zane.

00:04:06 ◼   ► Uh so next week obviously me and Steven will be talking about whatever it

00:04:10 ◼   ► is they announced and in the week after I'm sure we'll get some stories

00:04:13 ◼   ► uh from you, some some not Mac stories but some event stories from you

00:04:18 ◼   ► yeah.

00:04:18 ◼   ► That'll be fun.

00:04:19 ◼   ► I'm really looking forward to it.

00:04:20 ◼   ► Although I really wish they would just stop now though.

00:04:24 ◼   ► Yeah please I mean just just you know just the last one then let

00:04:27 ◼   ► us enjoy the holiday season let's leave us alone for a let us play

00:04:30 ◼   ► with our iPhone duo apps and like enough is enough.

00:04:34 ◼   ► It's like I I read uh I think yeah earlier this week that the

00:04:39 ◼   ► starting this week the expectation is every Friday for the next four weeks there

00:04:44 ◼   ► will be a new product coming out.

00:04:45 ◼   ► Oh no please kill me now.

00:04:47 ◼   ► Right.

00:04:48 ◼   ► 'Cause it's well, there's there's some quiet one so it would be like what

00:04:50 ◼   ► iPhone Door this week, home pop mini two next week, I think I'm okay.

00:04:54 ◼   ► Then You would guess probably the week after that is when the MacBook Pro

00:04:58 ◼   ► and iPad Mini will come out, right?

00:05:00 ◼   ► 'Cause they would show them off next week.

00:05:02 ◼   ► They'll come out the following week.

00:05:04 ◼   ► And then the final one is the home view.

00:05:07 ◼   ► Which me and you still need to coordinate on Oh yes, we need to.

00:05:10 ◼   ► We did not talk about the home view.

00:05:11 ◼   ► So we need to talk about that later.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Okay, yes.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Yes, yes, yes.

00:05:15 ◼   ► So should we do some follow up now?

00:05:17 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:05:18 ◼   ► My Apple Care One.

00:05:19 ◼   ► Remember I spoke about this last week?

00:05:21 ◼   ► I had Apple Care I was gonna move to Apple Care One and I

00:05:23 ◼   ► was frustrated that they would send me a refund in gift cards.

00:05:27 ◼   ► That's what the the support documentation says.

00:05:30 ◼   ► I signed up for Apple Care One, they refunded my credit card.

00:05:32 ◼   ► So I can't say that this will happen to everyone.

00:05:35 ◼   ► They did it for me though, which I was I just prefer that.

00:05:37 ◼   ► I don't I don't need an Apple gift card.

00:05:39 ◼   ► Uh I would like them to just give me my money back.

00:05:41 ◼   ► And they did do that.

00:05:42 ◼   ► So now I have Apple Care One and I now have my duo protected

00:05:47 ◼   ► along with my eighteen pro my Apple Watch.

00:05:50 ◼   ► So So hooray to me.

00:05:52 ◼   ► Okay.

00:05:52 ◼   ► Last week we spoke about Apple's new Apple music branding.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Yes.

00:05:57 ◼   ► And how they turned the the icon to basically a black music note on

00:06:02 ◼   ► a white square.

00:06:03 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:03 ◼   ► Um Apple have posted kind of like m they actually posted it and like

00:06:09 ◼   ► have a story about this uh um this rebranding now.

00:06:14 ◼   ► So yes.

00:06:15 ◼   ► They posted this on on the Apple Music Instagram.

00:06:17 ◼   ► Um I'm also gonna put a link in the show notes to uh AdAge.

00:06:21 ◼   ► So it's like a advertising, marketing publication.

00:06:25 ◼   ► They all they always have interesting information, this kind of stuff.

00:06:28 ◼   ► Uh I will say that this new branding from Apple is very high concept.

00:06:33 ◼   ► I I will say.

00:06:34 ◼   ► To to to illustrate the high conceptness, um I will read to you now.

00:06:40 ◼   ► This is a this is an an explanation from AdAge about how this came

00:06:43 ◼   ► together.

00:06:44 ◼   ► So it's it's interesting.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Apple Music has unveiled a new brand identity that takes the idea of being

00:06:51 ◼   ► driven by music quite literally.

00:06:53 ◼   ► Rather than simply designing a new logo inspired by sound, the company used actual

00:06:58 ◼   ► sound waves to create it, turning vibrations in liquid into a visual identity that

00:07:04 ◼   ► will appear across its marketing content and experiences.

00:07:07 ◼   ► The project, built around the idea Made by Sound, was led by TWA Media

00:07:11 ◼   ► Arts Lab, and also involved electronic music producer Fred Again, and his collaborator Nest

00:07:17 ◼   ► Acoustics.

00:07:17 ◼   ► They first created a new Sonic logo, or mnemonic, which became the starting point

00:07:22 ◼   ► for the visual design, with the team using the music to generate shapes and

00:07:26 ◼   ► textures that would define the identity.

00:07:28 ◼   ► To make that happen, the team built a rig featuring a transducer, a device

00:07:32 ◼   ► that converts audio signals into physical vibrations.

00:07:35 ◼   ► The transducer was placed into a shallow bath of mineral oil, causing the liquid

00:07:39 ◼   ► to move at the frequencies of the music notes.

00:07:42 ◼   ► The resulting ripples, waves, and refractions were filmed, capturing patterns that were created by

00:07:46 ◼   ► the sound rather than drawn or digitally simulated.

00:07:50 ◼   ► Right.

00:07:52 ◼   ► Okay.

00:07:52 ◼   ► It's a lot This is it's a lot.

00:07:54 ◼   ► I think this is great.

00:07:56 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:56 ◼   ► I saw a comment that um I think captured what I feel about this.

00:08:03 ◼   ► Is that

00:08:05 ◼   ► in the age of AI this is a great way to design and show

00:08:10 ◼   ► off that you used humans and actual human craft to design something.

00:08:15 ◼   ► Yes.

00:08:16 ◼   ► Uh I saw remember the the the the um the home event thing.

00:08:21 ◼   ► They did the beyond.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Yes.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Um, I believe it was Benjamin Mayo at nine to five Mac.

00:08:28 ◼   ► I I think who it was who said this is like this is kind

00:08:31 ◼   ► of like proof of life marketing.

00:08:34 ◼   ► I would expect more and more of this.

00:08:36 ◼   ► It's like they've done it twice in the span of it.

00:08:39 ◼   ► They've done it more than that.

00:08:40 ◼   ► Do you remember the Mac Mini?

00:08:41 ◼   ► The the Mac Mini and and the Apple T V logo.

00:08:44 ◼   ► MacBook Neo.

00:08:45 ◼   ► They they did behind the scenes of how they made like stop motion animation

00:08:50 ◼   ► and that kind of stuff.

00:08:51 ◼   ► So it's like if you're going to spend the money, you should do a

00:08:54 ◼   ► behind the scenes thing.

00:08:56 ◼   ► But also it's nice to see how people make things.

00:08:59 ◼   ► But but but but all that said

00:09:03 ◼   ► cool, but like why is the icon on my home screen black and white?

00:09:07 ◼   ► I know, because if you watch any of the visual branding for this, it's

00:09:13 ◼   ► like full of like ripples and colours and liquid glass.

00:09:18 ◼   ► So why doesn't the icon look like that?

00:09:20 ◼   ► I don't understand.

00:09:21 ◼   ► And they have made the kind of branding that um works well in billboards

00:09:29 ◼   ► for different artists.

00:09:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:31 ◼   ► Right?

00:09:32 ◼   ► Because you can just superimpose the liquid Apple Music icon on top of whatever

00:09:37 ◼   ► artist poster you have and it gets the color from the background, right?

00:09:42 ◼   ► On the home screen is just a a black glyph on a white icon.

00:09:46 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not they're not doing enough with this with the the the the

00:09:51 ◼   ► static branding.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Like all of the moving branding and the audio branding is really nice and

00:09:57 ◼   ► interesting, but they're not it they have not

00:10:02 ◼   ► I don't I do not believe that they have done a great execution of

00:10:06 ◼   ► that brand in a static image which is the icon essentially.

00:10:11 ◼   ► Controversial take part probably.

00:10:14 ◼   ► Stand back, everyone.

00:10:15 ◼   ► What if the icon

00:10:18 ◼   ► on the home screen?

00:10:20 ◼   ► What if the contents of the music note were actually animated color based on

00:10:25 ◼   ► what you're listening to?

00:10:26 ◼   ► That'd be nice, right?

00:10:27 ◼   ► So what if basically what if sound what they call it?

00:10:30 ◼   ► Sound glow from the home pod mini?

00:10:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:33 ◼   ► What if SoundGlow was inside the music note in the icon?

00:10:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Or you know what, Federico?

00:10:39 ◼   ► Just anything.

00:10:40 ◼   ► Or just anything.

00:10:41 ◼   ► Or really just just

00:10:43 ◼   ► anything.

00:10:44 ◼   ► Anything.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Because I they have done a really good job with this whole branding project.

00:10:48 ◼   ► They went for a really high concept thing and it's just not I d

00:10:52 ◼   ► I'm just not sure that they've landed in the right spot.

00:10:55 ◼   ► I really love the typeface that they're using and like it's got a good

00:10:59 ◼   ► edge to it, but I just think that the AlpineCon is the is the

00:11:02 ◼   ► piece that I would like to see them finish up in a different way.

00:11:06 ◼   ► Um, I don't think they will though, because the release candidate for twenty seven

00:11:10 ◼   ► two is out.

00:11:12 ◼   ► I have it on my phone.

00:11:14 ◼   ► I have it on my phones and it's uh just the the black icon

00:11:17 ◼   ► on the white.

00:11:18 ◼   ► But I also don't the Apple Music on my home screen anyway, so you

00:11:21 ◼   ► know, I can let it go.

00:11:23 ◼   ► Uh I wanna just take a moment for some um self-promotion.

00:11:29 ◼   ► Okay.

00:11:29 ◼   ► So many, many moons ago, a cross forward, in fact when it was just

00:11:35 ◼   ► David Smith's apps, uh, underscore made an app called Check the Weather, which was

00:11:40 ◼   ► a weather app.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Um, for as you can imagine checking the weather.

00:11:45 ◼   ► Uh Check the Weather is back with Check the Weather Two after many years

00:11:50 ◼   ► of not existing, a ten year hiatus in fact, uh since Check the Weather

00:11:55 ◼   ► One.

00:11:56 ◼   ► This This started out uh at CrossFord as a and if anybody forgotten doesn't

00:12:01 ◼   ► remember, I'm along with Steven, like we contribute uh to CrossFord.

00:12:05 ◼   ► Like I'm I'm mostly in kind of like uh marketing, I guess a marketing

00:12:08 ◼   ► role there.

00:12:10 ◼   ► It started out as a trying to get prepared for the iPhone Duo for

00:12:15 ◼   ► our other apps.

00:12:16 ◼   ► We were looking at a kind of like a design um experience and like

00:12:23 ◼   ► like testing.

00:12:25 ◼   ► Like how would you you know, all the different postures of the duo basically.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Uh and we

00:12:31 ◼   ► an and underscore was very focused on wanting to to do some fun stuff

00:12:35 ◼   ► with weather because he he he's interested in weather radars.

00:12:38 ◼   ► And so we built a new app, a new version of this app called

00:12:42 ◼   ► Check the Weather.

00:12:42 ◼   ► But Check the Weather now is very much focused on a weather radar front

00:12:48 ◼   ► and center with additional weather information.

00:12:52 ◼   ► I never have really been a r weather radar person.

00:12:56 ◼   ► Like it it's never really I know Steven loves this kind of stuff too,

00:12:59 ◼   ► but it never really made sense to me or like why you would look.

00:13:03 ◼   ► Um and in just in paying attention to this app and like for work

00:13:07 ◼   ► and like you Using it more and more and we've had some strange we're

00:13:10 ◼   ► actually in a storm uh that got like a lot of storm going on

00:13:13 ◼   ► in here at the UK right now.

00:13:14 ◼   ► You just missed horrific weather, Frederico.

00:13:16 ◼   ► Like the weather today is so bad.

00:13:19 ◼   ► Like to the point that you might not have even been able to land.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Like it's Horrific today.

00:13:24 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:25 ◼   ► But check the weather.

00:13:26 ◼   ► The radar is front and center in the app.

00:13:28 ◼   ► And we've done and j and and and David has done incredible work really

00:13:33 ◼   ► making these very, very cool um radar scenes and information and the way it's

00:13:39 ◼   ► represented, along with just some beautiful design work from Rafa who works with us

00:13:44 ◼   ► on design, uh has created an app that I am checking constantly.

00:13:48 ◼   ► J I know this sounds so silly, to check the weather.

00:13:52 ◼   ► It's It's like if I need to know what the weather is going to

00:13:54 ◼   ► be like within the next hour, this is the app that I just want

00:13:59 ◼   ► to use.

00:13:59 ◼   ► Cause it is so well made.

00:14:01 ◼   ► It's so beautiful.

00:14:02 ◼   ► It's really fun.

00:14:03 ◼   ► I'm in j I enjoy it so much.

00:14:05 ◼   ► My favorite thing though is is if there's rain, you can see like we

00:14:10 ◼   ► have like a uh little like waves of water.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Uh this is something we're calling a liquid graph.

00:14:17 ◼   ► Um because if you move it backwards and forwards the water jiggles around.

00:14:20 ◼   ► I was showing this to you yes uh yesterday.

00:14:23 ◼   ► It's really fun.

00:14:24 ◼   ► I I love this app and I and I think if you are in

00:14:28 ◼   ► any this is especially helpful if you have any kind of precipitation where you

00:14:33 ◼   ► live.

00:14:34 ◼   ► Um and and i I guess if you have any kind of like big

00:14:37 ◼   ► weather events, like weather radar is really good, but you should go check it

00:14:40 ◼   ► out.

00:14:40 ◼   ► It's fine to download.

00:14:41 ◼   ► The the radar and the kind of like seeking backwards and forwards on the

00:14:45 ◼   ► radar is free and then it's in at purchase to get more uh out

00:14:48 ◼   ► of the application.

00:14:49 ◼   ► So you should go check it out.

00:14:50 ◼   ► Check the weather is back uh and better than ever.

00:14:53 ◼   ► Um and it's it's been really fun it's been this has been a really

00:14:56 ◼   ► fun thing to see.

00:14:57 ◼   ► Um this is the first time I've ever been involved in an app from

00:15:00 ◼   ► conception to release, like in its in entire entirety and it's been fascinating to

00:15:05 ◼   ► kind of like see the progression of that.

00:15:07 ◼   ► Um and I'll also put a link in the show note to uh David's

00:15:11 ◼   ► uh posts about this as well so you can kind of see some of

00:15:14 ◼   ► his thinking behind the app.

00:15:15 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:15:15 ◼   ► I post it in Discord.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Uh an image and a link to my original review of Check the Weather

00:15:21 ◼   ► from twenty twelve.

00:15:22 ◼   ► Check the weather's changed a lot visually.

00:15:24 ◼   ► Um I mean yeah, I mean look at that I had a very funny

00:15:28 ◼   ► experience when I set up my 'cause Check the Weather was removed from the

00:15:31 ◼   ► App Store a long time ago.

00:15:33 ◼   ► And when I set up my eighteen pro, I open checked the weather and

00:15:37 ◼   ► it opened that version.

00:15:39 ◼   ► Like it downloaded it from some d hidden drawer in the app store.

00:15:43 ◼   ► And I was like, ah, what's going on?

00:15:45 ◼   ► Because it was like that tiny iPhone 5 size, you know?

00:15:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:49 ◼   ► It was very funny.

00:15:50 ◼   ► So check the weather is back.

00:15:52 ◼   ► It's back.

00:15:52 ◼   ► Go check the weather it out.

00:15:54 ◼   ► All right.

00:15:54 ◼   ► So we were together yesterday.

00:15:56 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:57 ◼   ► You came to London.

00:15:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:59 ◼   ► And we went to Battersea.

00:16:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:16:01 ◼   ► To spend some time We had breakfast before.

00:16:03 ◼   ► We had a really good breakfast.

00:16:05 ◼   ► What did you think of breakfast?

00:16:05 ◼   ► What's breakfast review from you?

00:16:07 ◼   ► Uh it was I it was my first time having uh what's it called?

00:16:11 ◼   ► Non bread, yep.

00:16:13 ◼   ► Yep.

00:16:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:14 ◼   ► And I loved it.

00:16:16 ◼   ► Um it was this really nice Indian restaurant.

00:16:21 ◼   ► Yep.

00:16:21 ◼   ► Um so I try not to go for like spicy stuff or like uh

00:16:26 ◼   ► curry is not great for my stomach, for example.

00:16:29 ◼   ► Um, so I went for a vegetarian option where they had like an egg

00:16:33 ◼   ► roll on nan.

00:16:35 ◼   ► It was lovely.

00:16:36 ◼   ► Um and uh I also typically am not a coriander person.

00:16:41 ◼   ► But I gotta say that I liked it.

00:16:43 ◼   ► Like in that small quantity, it was perfect.

00:16:45 ◼   ► I'm happy.

00:16:47 ◼   ► So I I had recommended this place of a text and I think the

00:16:50 ◼   ► first thing you said was think about like a conventional breakfast.

00:16:56 ◼   ► I glanced at the menu and there were a bunch of words I didn't

00:16:59 ◼   ► know.

00:16:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I understand.

00:17:01 ◼   ► I I I used to be in that too.

00:17:03 ◼   ► Like I have had trouble with spice in my life, but uh I've full

00:17:06 ◼   ► fallen in love with Dishum.

00:17:08 ◼   ► Um so yeah, I love it.

00:17:09 ◼   ► They're breakfast.

00:17:10 ◼   ► The Dishume Breakfast Nun is just if you're ever in London, I think they're

00:17:14 ◼   ► also in s I'm in Scotland, I think.

00:17:16 ◼   ► Like and you see a Dishume, just do do yourself a favour.

00:17:19 ◼   ► Uh it's a good time.

00:17:20 ◼   ► So we had breakfast together, we hung out and then we went to Battersea

00:17:25 ◼   ► to see the uh iPhone Duo.

00:17:28 ◼   ► So this is the day before it came out.

00:17:31 ◼   ► And we got to experience some briefings in like this really nice like penthouse

00:17:36 ◼   ► kind of ex like vibe they got going on over there, which is a

00:17:39 ◼   ► really nice way to see it and see a bunch of developers and stuff.

00:17:41 ◼   ► I know that uh friend of the show, uh OTJ John Voorhees went and

00:17:45 ◼   ► did one of these in New York as well, um, and kind of posted

00:17:49 ◼   ► some stuff about that.

00:17:51 ◼   ► Uh Uh it was pretty fun, right?

00:17:52 ◼   ► It was a nice thing to do.

00:17:54 ◼   ► It was uh a great location.

00:17:58 ◼   ► And it was especially it's always nice to um to meet the people who

00:18:05 ◼   ► work on these apps ahead of time and collaborate with Apple to show them

00:18:11 ◼   ► off, you know?

00:18:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:13 ◼   ► I think

00:18:15 ◼   ► my general takeaway is that um Apple must have seen the controversy surrounding um

00:18:24 ◼   ► apps that have not been updated for the iPhone Duo coming.

00:18:28 ◼   ► And so I think these events, um they were nicely put together to sort

00:18:34 ◼   ► of go against that um conver narrative and conversation right now.

00:18:40 ◼   ► There was also a press release that was published yesterday on the Apple Newsroom

00:18:44 ◼   ► with like here's like uh fifty different apps that have been updated for the

00:18:48 ◼   ► iPhone Duo.

00:18:49 ◼   ► There's a feature on the App Store this morning with even more updates uh

00:18:54 ◼   ► for uh iPhone Duo apps.

00:18:56 ◼   ► So I think I think Apple is doing what's necessary to counter that narrative

00:19:01 ◼   ► that oh you buy an iPhone duo and you know you're gonna get a

00:19:04 ◼   ► bunch of a bunch of like apps with black bars around them.

00:19:08 ◼   ► Which I mean on one hand, I kinda get it that some of the

00:19:11 ◼   ► reviews focused on that, right?

00:19:13 ◼   ► I do.

00:19:14 ◼   ► You can only rev as a l as all the reviewers say, and I

00:19:17 ◼   ► do agree with it into like you can only review what's in front of

00:19:20 ◼   ► you.

00:19:20 ◼   ► And what they had was an experience where there were just a bunch of

00:19:23 ◼   ► apps that just didn't work very well.

00:19:25 ◼   ► Like I understand it.

00:19:26 ◼   ► And it's like, what are you supposed to do in that scenario?

00:19:28 ◼   ► Right, right.

00:19:30 ◼   ► But there were some that

00:19:34 ◼   ► even Italian creators that I've that I've watched that g uh

00:19:39 ◼   ► offered that opinion as a fact that will remain true forever.

00:19:46 ◼   ► Yes some people do and that's yeah, and that's not the case.

00:19:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:50 ◼   ► Right.

00:19:51 ◼   ► Um but hey, what do I know about nuance, right?

00:19:55 ◼   ► Um so anyway, I think these events John went to a similar one in

00:20:01 ◼   ► New York.

00:20:02 ◼   ► I found out that in the New York one there were like ten different

00:20:07 ◼   ► sort of like uh demo stations.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Oh really?

00:20:10 ◼   ► Yes.

00:20:11 ◼   ► And we just had the four uh demos.

00:20:14 ◼   ► I I do get the impression that we had a much more longer and

00:20:17 ◼   ► interactive demo experience.

00:20:19 ◼   ► So like Casey w I was just talking to Casey about it on analog

00:20:23 ◼   ► actually.

00:20:23 ◼   ► And like what they sat down for the demo part and they were just

00:20:26 ◼   ► kind of sitting down and listening.

00:20:27 ◼   ► And in our demo, the like the person at Apple was like, Everyone pick

00:20:31 ◼   ► up a phone and we're gonna go through this thing thing together which was

00:20:33 ◼   ► that was my favorite part.

00:20:35 ◼   ► Uh like we're just sitting there and like doing all the fun things and

00:20:37 ◼   ► trying all the features out and stuff.

00:20:39 ◼   ► Uh I have to ask you, right?

00:20:40 ◼   ► So it's me and you and it was like maybe five other people, four

00:20:44 ◼   ► upper people in uh like in well, there was a lot more we kind

00:20:46 ◼   ► of split into two groups.

00:20:48 ◼   ► Everybody else was a short film content creator.

00:20:53 ◼   ► Right.

00:20:53 ◼   ► How did that make you feel?

00:20:56 ◼   ► Oh.

00:20:57 ◼   ► Did it make you feel anything?

00:21:00 ◼   ► No, I d I did not feel anything.

00:21:02 ◼   ► I felt like I was different.

00:21:04 ◼   ► Like that's all I felt like.

00:21:05 ◼   ► I always feel different.

00:21:07 ◼   ► Because it was like everybody else was very focused on I wanna capture some

00:21:12 ◼   ► content on this and like me and you are much more focused on I

00:21:16 ◼   ► wanna experience yes this.

00:21:18 ◼   ► No, I f I feel this all the time.

00:21:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:21 ◼   ► Um and and at every Apple event, you know, I see folks taking video

00:21:27 ◼   ► all the time, taking photos all the time always being on in that sense.

00:21:32 ◼   ► And I just most of the time I just I just watch and I

00:21:36 ◼   ► take some notes and then I just sit silent and stare at whatever they're

00:21:41 ◼   ► announcing just because I'm thinking.

00:21:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:43 ◼   ► Right.

00:21:43 ◼   ► And I'm not in the business of uh I'm I feel like I'm in

00:21:47 ◼   ► the business of thinking about things and then producing something out of those thoughts.

00:21:51 ◼   ► Um I think I think obviously Apple knows this.

00:21:54 ◼   ► Apple PR knows this, right?

00:21:56 ◼   ► And so that's why they have a mix of people.

00:21:58 ◼   ► Because look, like what we do

00:22:01 ◼   ► is is the definition of of a niche.

00:22:05 ◼   ► Uh my friends, they Couldn't possibly care less about what I do on Mac

00:22:10 ◼   ► stories.

00:22:10 ◼   ► When they see me in person, they ask me, hey, what's the phone like?

00:22:13 ◼   ► Otherwise they just follow a bunch of these creators on TikTok and Instagram because

00:22:17 ◼   ► they give them what they want.

00:22:19 ◼   ► The visual the visuals, fast fast-paced, quick content, then maybe doesn't go in depth

00:22:26 ◼   ► on certain aspects.

00:22:27 ◼   ► And that's not a complaint.

00:22:29 ◼   ► That's not like an accusation against those creators.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Because if they did, it would actually be in in disservice to their audience.

00:22:38 ◼   ► And too much in depth many of these creators 'cause I also want that.

00:22:44 ◼   ► But it's not all I want.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Yes.

00:22:46 ◼   ► It's like do you wanna watch and I'm not I was gonna use a

00:22:50 ◼   ► a metaphor.

00:22:51 ◼   ► It's like do you wanna watch a French movie every night or every once

00:22:54 ◼   ► in a while do you wanna watch something stupid on Netflix?

00:22:56 ◼   ► Well it's like d do you wanna have a snack or do you wanna

00:22:59 ◼   ► have a meal?

00:23:00 ◼   ► Right.

00:23:01 ◼   ► Right?

00:23:01 ◼   ► And like no I do not wanna have a meal every time I want

00:23:04 ◼   ► something to eat.

00:23:05 ◼   ► That would be too much.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Sometimes I wanna have a snack, I wanna have something small.

00:23:08 ◼   ► And that is what the short form content is.

00:23:11 ◼   ► It's not long form, right?

00:23:12 ◼   ► We have short form and long form and they're short form.

00:23:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Now um so yeah, I was I was uh I was very confused.

00:23:19 ◼   ► Um initially, then I re I understood what I was looking at.

00:23:23 ◼   ► Two of these creators, they had this how can I describe it?

00:23:27 ◼   ► Like a neck band With the Magsafe mount.

00:23:31 ◼   ► That was a new one for me.

00:23:32 ◼   ► I've seen it.

00:23:32 ◼   ► Below their chin, essentially.

00:23:35 ◼   ► Uh and I was so cool.

00:23:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:38 ◼   ► Right?

00:23:39 ◼   ► Like he was just like so cool.

00:23:41 ◼   ► Sam.

00:23:42 ◼   ► Sounds very cool.

00:23:43 ◼   ► So it's a it's a new type of mag safe mount for uh video

00:23:48 ◼   ► creators in that you they place their phone essentially on this ring below their

00:23:54 ◼   ► chin so that they can capture the POV as they call it of them

00:23:59 ◼   ► using uh a device or unboxing something or whatever.

00:24:03 ◼   ► Uh quite quite a setup.

00:24:05 ◼   ► I was I was not familiar with it.

00:24:06 ◼   ► Yep.

00:24:08 ◼   ► Uh what else can we say?

00:24:09 ◼   ► Uh Uh Battersea is beautiful as usual.

00:24:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:12 ◼   ► Right.

00:24:13 ◼   ► Um I had never seen that part of they have like this this this

00:24:19 ◼   ► loft like in the back of the building.

00:24:21 ◼   ► Never seen it before.

00:24:23 ◼   ► Uh we could not go see unfortunately Apple Music Hall.

00:24:28 ◼   ► It's in that area.

00:24:29 ◼   ► Like it's it's in the area, but uh it was not part of the

00:24:33 ◼   ► activities.

00:24:35 ◼   ► And uh yeah, that was basically it.

00:24:37 ◼   ► There were A lot of iPhone duos on those tables.

00:24:40 ◼   ► An unbelievable amount.

00:24:42 ◼   ► So there were like these five like environment like areas or whatever.

00:24:46 ◼   ► And each of them had like ten iPhone duos or like purpose set.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Uh they were all running twenty-seven point one.

00:24:53 ◼   ► Oh well and yes.

00:24:56 ◼   ► And they I checked this is these are the things that I check while

00:24:59 ◼   ► people are talking and they were all set up so that the device name

00:25:04 ◼   ► in settings matched the name of the app that was being demoed.

00:25:09 ◼   ► Yeah I saw that.

00:25:09 ◼   ► So for example, the cr we saw craft, the note taking app.

00:25:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:13 ◼   ► And that do th those dual devices were called uh dual uh hyphen craft

00:25:19 ◼   ► one duo hyphen craft two.

00:25:21 ◼   ► Because I figure they are just wiped every time.

00:25:24 ◼   ► They wipe them.

00:25:25 ◼   ► I think they they wipe them.

00:25:27 ◼   ► So uh something else that I did.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Um they I think they wipe them across sessions.

00:25:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:35 ◼   ► Uh but not like while we are in the same group, they don't wipe

00:25:40 ◼   ► them.

00:25:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:41 ◼   ► When we are all gone and more other people come in, they wipe them.

00:25:45 ◼   ► Because I saw some photos in the camera role uh that were not supposed

00:25:49 ◼   ► to be there.

00:25:50 ◼   ► And and and I think it was just like random Apple employees taking selfies.

00:25:56 ◼   ► And um the demo con so they actually had d fake demo content inside

00:26:03 ◼   ► the apps.

00:26:04 ◼   ► So I opened Slack and they had a fake startup in there with messages

00:26:08 ◼   ► for like the sales.

00:26:11 ◼   ► It's a job of all this.

00:26:12 ◼   ► It's a job.

00:26:13 ◼   ► Uh they had fake email conversations.

00:26:16 ◼   ► They had if you open photos notes and messages.

00:26:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:19 ◼   ► If you uh if you open photos, there were photos going back to twenty

00:26:23 ◼   ► twenty one.

00:26:24 ◼   ► I scrolled all the way up.

00:26:26 ◼   ► So they must have this like fake photo libraries.

00:26:29 ◼   ► The photos is probably the easy thing.

00:26:31 ◼   ► Right, because you just import the library and you sync it.

00:26:33 ◼   ► 'Cause they take photos for like the phones and stuff, right?

00:26:36 ◼   ► Of people and like models and stuff.

00:26:38 ◼   ► But I figure the The text content is the worst.

00:26:41 ◼   ► You've got to come up with like scenarios that like no one's even reading

00:26:45 ◼   ► it right?

00:26:46 ◼   ► Like at at this point well, there there there's me reading them.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Everyone's but like at this point I I bet it's just like Claude doing

00:26:54 ◼   ► it, right?

00:26:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:55 ◼   ► But someone's gotta coordinate it all at least, right?

00:26:58 ◼   ► Like it's it th there's still that and someone's gonna have to read through

00:27:01 ◼   ► it all and make sure that it all makes sense and that nothing is

00:27:03 ◼   ► like weird.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Um but yeah, it is funny to see that that that kind of stuff

00:27:08 ◼   ► where it's like we've created this entire world here and like everyone is is

00:27:14 ◼   ► like there's all these people and they're all talking to each other but none

00:27:17 ◼   ► of them are real and they only live in these duo and they're wiped

00:27:20 ◼   ► every two hours.

00:27:21 ◼   ► It's uh Yes.

00:27:23 ◼   ► Very funny thing.

00:27:24 ◼   ► But it was a good time.

00:27:25 ◼   ► I really enjoyed it.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Like obviously I have a lot of thoughts about the iPhone Duo that were

00:27:31 ◼   ► b that were beginning to be informed by this experience.

00:27:34 ◼   ► And it is iPhone Duo release day, so we should probably just get into

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00:29:54 ◼   ► So we both have iPhone Duos.

00:29:57 ◼   ► Um we got them today.

00:29:59 ◼   ► I think we both had them now for many hours.

00:30:02 ◼   ► Um I actually have I have I have two iPhone duos.

00:30:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:06 ◼   ► Um I have my iPhone duo and Apple uh have loaned me an iPhone

00:30:11 ◼   ► duo for re for review two.

00:30:13 ◼   ► So I have the white one and they've loaned me the blue one.

00:30:16 ◼   ► I haven't that one is at home.

00:30:17 ◼   ► I have my one with me now.

00:30:19 ◼   ► Uh you have a blue one?

00:30:21 ◼   ► I have a white one from Apple.

00:30:23 ◼   ► You have a white one from Apple?

00:30:24 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:25 ◼   ► All right.

00:30:25 ◼   ► So we got different ones.

00:30:27 ◼   ► Uh I did want to mention my store kind of because I went to

00:30:30 ◼   ► a store this morning.

00:30:30 ◼   ► I went to Comic Garden Apple store to pick one up this morning.

00:30:33 ◼   ► Um, and there were two things I wanted to note.

00:30:36 ◼   ► One, there were huge iPhone duos outside, like massive like statue iPhone duos, um,

00:30:43 ◼   ► which they did in a few Apple stores around the world.

00:30:46 ◼   ► There was also like lots of cameras and like photographers there.

00:30:50 ◼   ► So I felt like something was happening at my Apple store.

00:30:54 ◼   ► I don't know um

00:30:56 ◼   ► w when, but it felt like something was about to happen as I was

00:31:00 ◼   ► leaving 'cause a bunch of photographers ran down a staircase.

00:31:03 ◼   ► Uh and so, you know, th something's going on there.

00:31:06 ◼   ► You know, there we go, people show up at the different stores and stuff

00:31:08 ◼   ► like that.

00:31:09 ◼   ► So they they had that going on.

00:31:10 ◼   ► Uh I was expecting them to move or something, but they were just like

00:31:13 ◼   ► static statues.

00:31:15 ◼   ► Uh I did want to know so my experience of picking up the phone

00:31:18 ◼   ► was super easy.

00:31:19 ◼   ► There wasn't a long line.

00:31:20 ◼   ► The weather's really bad, so I think there wasn't a walk in line.

00:31:23 ◼   ► Um but they were moving very quickly.

00:31:25 ◼   ► So like it it was ver it was one of the more efficient experiences

00:31:29 ◼   ► I've had at an Apple store.

00:31:30 ◼   ► Like they were moving really quick.

00:31:31 ◼   ► And I said to the guy, I was like, This is move fast.

00:31:34 ◼   ► And he's like, We've been working very hard at that.

00:31:36 ◼   ► And I was like, Oh, that's interesting.

00:31:37 ◼   ► Like Like th they're they're trying to make that more efficient, at least in

00:31:40 ◼   ► uh Apple Covent Garden was a good experience.

00:31:42 ◼   ► I met two listeners this morning, Federico.

00:31:45 ◼   ► Oh nice.

00:31:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:46 ◼   ► Uh and so someone came up and told me they've been listening to Design

00:31:49 ◼   ► in California.

00:31:49 ◼   ► And then another one is an experience I've never had before.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Where someone said, Mike, as I turned around, and he showed me he was

00:31:56 ◼   ► listening to upgrade.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Which must be a very strange experience for someone.

00:32:02 ◼   ► If you're listening to a podcast and then you see one of the podcasters.

00:32:06 ◼   ► That is always the best feeling though.

00:32:09 ◼   ► So that was pretty fun.

00:32:10 ◼   ► That was pretty fun.

00:32:11 ◼   ► So anyway, we both had many hours with the duo.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Is yours set up now?

00:32:15 ◼   ► You're all like off to the races?

00:32:17 ◼   ► It's set up.

00:32:18 ◼   ► Uh it's still downloading some apps, but it's in a usable state right now.

00:32:22 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:23 ◼   ► What did you do?

00:32:24 ◼   ► Did you do an iCloud backup or iCloud.

00:32:26 ◼   ► iCloud.

00:32:26 ◼   ► iCloud.

00:32:27 ◼   ► I f I find that to be the better way to do it now,

00:32:29 ◼   ► I think.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Um you you kind of it you get to use it quickly and also

00:32:34 ◼   ► a lot of this information gets transferred over now.

00:32:36 ◼   ► I think they're doing a better and better job of it all the time.

00:32:39 ◼   ► So how are you feeling about it?

00:32:42 ◼   ► This is not a review today because we've just we've had it for a

00:32:45 ◼   ► few hours and we had a little time of it yesterday.

00:32:47 ◼   ► These are very much our first impressions.

00:32:50 ◼   ► So I posted this, I

00:32:53 ◼   ► this thought that I have

00:32:56 ◼   ► that I look at it

00:32:58 ◼   ► and I open it and I play with it and it feels like the

00:33:03 ◼   ► perfect iPhone for iPad Seco's.

00:33:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:07 ◼   ► Because I can I still cannot believe that I get to use this thing

00:33:11 ◼   ► unfolded and I get to do split view and picture in picture and rotate

00:33:16 ◼   ► it.

00:33:17 ◼   ► And I have a a quasi iPad device

00:33:22 ◼   ► that when I'm done, I can just close and put in my pocket.

00:33:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:28 ◼   ► It's not a device for everyone.

00:33:31 ◼   ► Like I like I handed it off to Sylvia this morning.

00:33:34 ◼   ► She was like she she was playing with the she's like, Yeah.

00:33:38 ◼   ► Too tiny.

00:33:39 ◼   ► And I'm not gonna use the big display inside.

00:33:41 ◼   ► I'm just gonna stick with the eighteen pro.

00:33:43 ◼   ► I expect Adina to have a very similar reaction.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Like she hasn't seen it.

00:33:48 ◼   ► Though I know she's gonna wanna play with it, but I expect it to

00:33:51 ◼   ► be similar.

00:33:52 ◼   ► This this feels like the most early adopter in enthusiast iPhone of all time.

00:33:59 ◼   ► And I feel like the energy right now is proving that out.

00:34:03 ◼   ► Like that it they s the stores seem to be quite busy, um, with

00:34:08 ◼   ► people buying them.

00:34:09 ◼   ► The the hard to buy and the apps that are being put out are

00:34:13 ◼   ► like fun apps as well.

00:34:15 ◼   ► Like there's a lot of new fun apps that are happening.

00:34:17 ◼   ► And so like it's got that kind of vibe of like

00:34:21 ◼   ► this isn't this is not the iPhone for everyone.

00:34:25 ◼   ► I maybe one day, but it isn't right now.

00:34:28 ◼   ► And that's actually kind of a good thing.

00:34:31 ◼   ► Like it makes it the weirdness of this phone is what I'm enjoying the

00:34:36 ◼   ► most

00:34:37 ◼   ► of it.

00:34:38 ◼   ► Yes.

00:34:39 ◼   ► And there's a price to pay for weirdness, right?

00:34:44 ◼   ► And it's a strange concept to explain.

00:34:47 ◼   ► Like how can you be happy with something that is weird and maybe half

00:34:53 ◼   ► broken in places or strange.

00:34:56 ◼   ► It is the perfect device

00:35:01 ◼   ► for the early adopter, for the enthusiast it is also the perfect device for

00:35:08 ◼   ► the

00:35:10 ◼   ► perennially bored tech reviewer.

00:35:14 ◼   ► If you are if you are wired like that though, because if you there

00:35:19 ◼   ► there is a certain type of tech reviewer that is maybe kind of jaded

00:35:24 ◼   ► you know in some regards and that will not accept anything from Apple, right?

00:35:33 ◼   ► Of all companies, because they hold Apple to such a high standard and will

00:35:37 ◼   ► not accept anything that is a work in progress.

00:35:41 ◼   ► And I will say rightfully so, because at $2,000 you don't want to have

00:35:45 ◼   ► a work in progress.

00:35:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:46 ◼   ► But then there's tech reviewer like me, and John, and you, uh, and others

00:35:53 ◼   ► that has been craving this moment

00:35:57 ◼   ► of Apple going out of their comfort zone

00:36:01 ◼   ► and saying, look, here's a new device.

00:36:06 ◼   ► It's n they're basically saying like it's not perfect.

00:36:10 ◼   ► Like when Apple says we reduced the crease visibility.

00:36:14 ◼   ► It's not invisible.

00:36:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:17 ◼   ► It's like by saying it that way, what you're saying is there is one.

00:36:22 ◼   ► There is one, right?

00:36:23 ◼   ► You're saying that.

00:36:23 ◼   ► You're saying that there is in fact one.

00:36:25 ◼   ► You reduced it.

00:36:26 ◼   ► Right, but there is one.

00:36:28 ◼   ► And so

00:36:29 ◼   ► I was anticipating this moment of Apple coming down from their pedestal and saying,

00:36:38 ◼   ► Look, here's something new.

00:36:42 ◼   ► We made this new thing.

00:36:44 ◼   ► It's very different.

00:36:46 ◼   ► We had to think about it very carefully.

00:36:48 ◼   ► And it's not for everybody.

00:36:51 ◼   ► And it's gonna raise questions, but it does a bunch of things that we

00:36:55 ◼   ► never done before.

00:36:57 ◼   ► And there's something to that magic that maybe I last felt

00:37:05 ◼   ► to an extent with the first iPad Pro.

00:37:08 ◼   ► Maybe, but not this much, I would say.

00:37:12 ◼   ► Or maybe when the iPhone got big for the first time with the six

00:37:17 ◼   ► and six plus.

00:37:19 ◼   ► Um it's a rare moment in time.

00:37:22 ◼   ► I think to the iPad Pro the first iPad Pro is maybe the closest

00:37:29 ◼   ► because it's like I remember that time and and it was so strange.

00:37:34 ◼   ► None of your apps work right?

00:37:36 ◼   ► No.

00:37:37 ◼   ► And it was the keyboard, yeah, and there was the pencil.

00:37:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:40 ◼   ► And I don't know.

00:37:42 ◼   ► I I maybe I last felt this way in 2015.

00:37:46 ◼   ► So uh to go back to what I said before, a certain type of

00:37:50 ◼   ► tech reviewer who's been bored and hasn't had this feeling for eleven years.

00:37:57 ◼   ► Now we have that feeling again, right?

00:38:00 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:38:01 ◼   ► And it's like uh it's like is And this time it's an iPhone.

00:38:06 ◼   ► And it's an iPhone, right?

00:38:08 ◼   ► So it commands a certain type of attention.

00:38:10 ◼   ► I gotta tell you, I love the fact

00:38:13 ◼   ► that when I got in my car yesterday from Battersea, so the guy that

00:38:18 ◼   ► was driving the car knew that I was coming from Apple.

00:38:21 ◼   ► And he was like, Did you did you try the new phone?

00:38:24 ◼   ► Quick parentheses.

00:38:26 ◼   ► Why does everybody in the UK call it the flip?

00:38:30 ◼   ► Do you use the w the t the term flip phone more than other

00:38:36 ◼   ► countries?

00:38:37 ◼   ► No, I w m it's po I mean I've I I can't say that

00:38:40 ◼   ► I have encountered this.

00:38:41 ◼   ► I could assume that potentially Samsung have kind of that's what I thought penetrate

00:38:47 ◼   ► a little bit.

00:38:47 ◼   ► That's what I thought.

00:38:49 ◼   ► I I sat down on the plane and I was scrolling through photos of

00:38:53 ◼   ► I didn't have a duo last night.

00:38:55 ◼   ► I got my duo today.

00:38:56 ◼   ► And I was scrolling through pictures that I took And I was doing so

00:39:00 ◼   ► quite liberally, like I was not trying to protect the privacy of my screen

00:39:04 ◼   ► or anything.

00:39:05 ◼   ► The guy next to me is looking at my phone.

00:39:09 ◼   ► I mean, problematic, I know, right?

00:39:11 ◼   ► But I was taking a look at the

00:39:14 ◼   ► right and the guy's like, Is that the new Apple one?

00:39:17 ◼   ► Did you see the new app?

00:39:18 ◼   ► I was like and so I got into a conversation with this person.

00:39:21 ◼   ► Okay.

00:39:22 ◼   ► So and and and I got like I have multiple DMs from friends and

00:39:28 ◼   ► my neighbors asking about I l I live for moments like this.

00:39:33 ◼   ► Yes.

00:39:33 ◼   ► I've had the messages today where people are like you know the the m

00:39:37 ◼   ► friends of mine who are like friends in in my life, right?

00:39:40 ◼   ► Like not friends who are in my tech life, which is actually really my

00:39:45 ◼   ► real life.

00:39:45 ◼   ► But anyway, like really at this point, my tech friends are are like the

00:39:50 ◼   ► the real fr and and we don't need to get into this it's unlike

00:39:53 ◼   ► therapy at this point.

00:39:54 ◼   ► Um but they're like, Oh, three thousand pounds?

00:39:59 ◼   ► No way.

00:39:59 ◼   ► And it's that thing of like I sent a group chat and one of

00:40:02 ◼   ► my other friends is like, Well, I mean, yes, there is a three thousand

00:40:05 ◼   ► pound one, but it isn't three thousand pounds.

00:40:07 ◼   ► Uh but anyway, and and and all I've said in this group thread is

00:40:10 ◼   ► it's just two iPhones.

00:40:12 ◼   ► That's like that's the way I can it's just this all this is all

00:40:15 ◼   ► I can say to you is like why does it cost this much money?

00:40:17 ◼   ► 'Cause there's two of them and it's in in one.

00:40:19 ◼   ► That's why that's what I can give you.

00:40:21 ◼   ► I I also feel like uh you asked for first thoughts and impressions.

00:40:25 ◼   ► I gotta be honest, I think this device, even though Apple loves to say

00:40:30 ◼   ► it's not an iPad, it's a phone, but let's be realistic.

00:40:34 ◼   ► This device will most definitely cut into my usage of the iPad.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:41 ◼   ► Right?

00:40:41 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:40:42 ◼   ► Uh um, I w do not know at this point why

00:40:48 ◼   ► When I'm chilling on the couch or just reading before going to sleep,

00:40:55 ◼   ► why would I grab an iPad instead of unfolding the duo?

00:40:59 ◼   ► There's this weird thing, I think I I think people will understand this.

00:41:03 ◼   ► Which is like I would never suggest you buy this instead of an iPad.

00:41:08 ◼   ► No, exactly.

00:41:09 ◼   ► But if you have one of these, you will use it instead of your

00:41:13 ◼   ► iPad.

00:41:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:41:14 ◼   ► That's how I feel right now.

00:41:16 ◼   ► Yes.

00:41:16 ◼   ► So like I'm on that wavelength completely where I'm like, Well, there are things

00:41:22 ◼   ► that I will always want to do on an iPad, but it feels like

00:41:25 ◼   ► it's gonna be really specific stuff now.

00:41:30 ◼   ► Um but I don't know, like I have to see.

00:41:32 ◼   ► So it's like one of the things I know I'm gonna do on this

00:41:35 ◼   ► phone a lot is watch video, right?

00:41:37 ◼   ► Oh yeah, oh yes.

00:41:38 ◼   ► But the way I have watched video on my iPhone for a really, really

00:41:42 ◼   ► long time is propping it up with a pop socket.

00:41:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:46 ◼   ► That doesn't work on this phone because it falls over.

00:41:50 ◼   ► But what this phone has available to it is in built pop socket.

00:41:55 ◼   ► You know, like it just pr it can just present itself, right?

00:41:59 ◼   ► You just do a tent mode or one of these different postures.

00:42:02 ◼   ► But then I don't get the full screen available to me.

00:42:05 ◼   ► So then I bought the case with the kickstand and that really works, but

00:42:08 ◼   ► I don't want to wear the case the whole time.

00:42:10 ◼   ► So it's like I d there are this phone presents with it lots of

00:42:14 ◼   ► opportunity, I think.

00:42:16 ◼   ► And that's the the thing that I am most excited about.

00:42:21 ◼   ► You're using this as your phone, you've you've moved everything over.

00:42:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:26 ◼   ► Yeah like 'cause I haven't moved my cell plan over yet.

00:42:28 ◼   ► I was waiting like there's a bunch of things that I want to do

00:42:31 ◼   ► before I move over move like make it my proper phone.

00:42:33 ◼   ► Like I'm not even close to the finishing of the setup of this thing

00:42:37 ◼   ► today.

00:42:38 ◼   ► Um but like I am going I'm planning to for I don't know how

00:42:42 ◼   ► long like make it my my iPhone.

00:42:44 ◼   ► I maybe it will be forever, maybe it'll be for a few months.

00:42:48 ◼   ► Like I have no idea.

00:42:49 ◼   ► Like I I had always thought that the eighteen pro would be the thing

00:42:53 ◼   ► that I would want um most because it's

00:42:57 ◼   ► fewer compromises.

00:42:59 ◼   ► Um but now is the eighteen pro compromised because I can't have this big

00:43:04 ◼   ► screen.

00:43:05 ◼   ► Like these are the things I don't know.

00:43:07 ◼   ► Is the 18 Pro compromised because I can't you have two apps open at

00:43:10 ◼   ► once?

00:43:10 ◼   ► Sorry, like these are I I I I just don't know yet.

00:43:13 ◼   ► I do want to talk about something though.

00:43:16 ◼   ► Which is face ID, touch ID.

00:43:18 ◼   ► Okay.

00:43:18 ◼   ► Okay.

00:43:19 ◼   ► I have thoughts.

00:43:20 ◼   ► So this was my biggest concern and the thing I have been most frustrated

00:43:25 ◼   ► about in the lead up to this, which is like, if you're gonna make

00:43:28 ◼   ► me spend this money, don't make me go back to touch ID.

00:43:31 ◼   ► But they have done that.

00:43:33 ◼   ► And in all of the reviews, you did a great round up of the

00:43:36 ◼   ► reviews.

00:43:36 ◼   ► I'll link in those in the show notes.

00:43:38 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:43:38 ◼   ► This is the thing that people spend a lot of time talking about.

00:43:41 ◼   ► That like and Marquez made like a like w I think showed up of

00:43:44 ◼   ► the clearest, which is a very interesting decision that Apple m has made, which

00:43:47 ◼   ► I think is the wrong one, which is touch ID to unlock this phone.

00:43:52 ◼   ► Apple have added a delay.

00:43:53 ◼   ► So you kind of see the lock screen before it unlocks.

00:43:56 ◼   ► That is the wrong move, right?

00:43:58 ◼   ► Like

00:44:00 ◼   ► it may make it a setting or something, but like if if you just

00:44:03 ◼   ► press the button to unlock this thing, it should unlock immediately.

00:44:07 ◼   ► Um you shouldn't have to sit and wait.

00:44:09 ◼   ► So I yeah, I was I'm also when I'm seeing this, I'm really concerned.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Here's the thing.

00:44:14 ◼   ► The Apple Watch unlock.

00:44:17 ◼   ► It's just as fast as C S ID.

00:44:18 ◼   ► I was gonna I was gonna say that.

00:44:20 ◼   ► I was gonna say that.

00:44:21 ◼   ► If you are going to use an iPhone Duo, you must

00:44:28 ◼   ► Have an Apple Watch because if you do and you have face ID face

00:44:34 ◼   ► ID on your other phones, what you will probably do is what I do,

00:44:37 ◼   ► right?

00:44:38 ◼   ► I pick up my phone and I swipe to open, right?

00:44:41 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:44:41 ◼   ► On the iPhone duo they have made it immediate.

00:44:46 ◼   ► So one of the reasons I was concerned is a few months ago, I

00:44:50 ◼   ► turned on Apple Watch Unlock for my iPhone Pro.

00:44:54 ◼   ► Because I wanted to see what this felt like.

00:44:57 ◼   ► And on the Pro, you only ever go back to that if it fails

00:45:02 ◼   ► on the face ID unlock.

00:45:04 ◼   ► So it feels like it's a slow process, right?

00:45:07 ◼   ► So the face ID unlock fails then it will do the watch unlock.

00:45:11 ◼   ► But they have understood here that it should be going to watch unlock ASAP.

00:45:17 ◼   ► And so absolutely what you want is to wear an Apple Watch and this

00:45:23 ◼   ► thing unlocks As quick as face ID.

00:45:26 ◼   ► Like it's I've done side-by-side tests and it may as well just be the

00:45:30 ◼   ► same.

00:45:30 ◼   ► And I've been using this phone all day and I have not thought about

00:45:34 ◼   ► it at all.

00:45:35 ◼   ► Yep.

00:45:36 ◼   ► So I recommend it.

00:45:37 ◼   ► Like the I I'm surprised that I saw some people

00:45:44 ◼   ► say that like they have every single Apple device, but they don't watch all

00:45:49 ◼   ► the time.

00:45:49 ◼   ► Which I Some people just don't want to wear.

00:45:51 ◼   ► I mean, look, I have been one of those people, right?

00:45:53 ◼   ► Like I w I wanted to stop wearing my Apple Watch and then my

00:45:56 ◼   ► wife said, You need to wear your Apple Watch again because you're not responding

00:45:59 ◼   ► to my text messages when I need something for our baby at one o'clock

00:46:02 ◼   ► in the morning.

00:46:02 ◼   ► So it's like, okay like that is a really good reason to wear the

00:46:05 ◼   ► Apple Watch.

00:46:06 ◼   ► And I've come back around on the Apple Watch again and I'm a big

00:46:08 ◼   ► fan again.

00:46:09 ◼   ► And now I'm like, well, if I'm gonna use this phone, it's what you

00:46:14 ◼   ► gotta do.

00:46:14 ◼   ► So like it really makes a big difference because you know you still come

00:46:18 ◼   ► across touch ID, right?

00:46:20 ◼   ► For like uh biometric authentication like buying things, one password, all that and I'm

00:46:26 ◼   ► sure like Apple Pay and all that kind of stuff.

00:46:28 ◼   ► But most of those things I feel like would be mostly fine.

00:46:32 ◼   ► Like I still think I prefer face ID, but the biggest issue is the

00:46:35 ◼   ► locking of your unlocking of your phone.

00:46:38 ◼   ► And if you if you wear an Apple Watch, it is absolutely not a

00:46:42 ◼   ► problem.

00:46:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:43 ◼   ► No, it's um it basically turns it into a non issue.

00:46:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:48 ◼   ► Like you just you just look at it and you think you're you think

00:46:51 ◼   ► you're doing face ID.

00:46:52 ◼   ► You're actually not doing face ID.

00:46:54 ◼   ► You just you feel the haptics and that's it.

00:46:56 ◼   ► Like and as soon as you swipe up, you feel it, it's it becomes

00:47:00 ◼   ► completely invisible.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Now, I don't know if it works better if you have a modern Apple

00:47:06 ◼   ► Watch.

00:47:07 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:47:08 ◼   ► I have a series 12 and it feels perfect.

00:47:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:12 ◼   ► So I I have set up the one thing I will say.

00:47:18 ◼   ► I wish Apple Watch Unlock

00:47:21 ◼   ► also worked for security prompts.

00:47:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:26 ◼   ► Uh like when you're purchasing something with Apple Pay or whenever Touch ID comes

00:47:31 ◼   ► up.

00:47:32 ◼   ► I wish that I could just use the Apple Watch instead.

00:47:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:36 ◼   ► I've only used touch ID for those prompts, like OnePassword or Apple Pay, those

00:47:40 ◼   ► kinds of things.

00:47:42 ◼   ► Yep.

00:47:42 ◼   ► It's been really good.

00:47:43 ◼   ► It's been really, really good.

00:47:45 ◼   ► I am now in the process of spending a bunch of money on the

00:47:49 ◼   ► app store again.

00:47:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:52 ◼   ► I have found it really interesting that a lot of people that are making

00:47:55 ◼   ► these like very fun duo apps are making them paid up front.

00:47:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:47:59 ◼   ► I mean it's the right way to go.

00:48:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:48:02 ◼   ► Because you're selling a toy that people will play around for a few days.

00:48:07 ◼   ► You make a quick buck and it's it's it's what these apps should be.

00:48:12 ◼   ► You wouldn't want to sign up for a subscription for a for a Walkman

00:48:16 ◼   ► app or for a Toaster app.

00:48:18 ◼   ► Uh have you played with Toasty?

00:48:20 ◼   ► I've played with Toasty.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:48:22 ◼   ► It's okay.

00:48:24 ◼   ► So I was uh I was on the Six Colors Secret Subscriber podcast of

00:48:27 ◼   ► Jason last week.

00:48:29 ◼   ► Uh earlier this week, man, it feels like a lifetime ago.

00:48:31 ◼   ► And he was complaining uh about all of the apps that he was getting

00:48:35 ◼   ► pitches for, which I'm sure you're also getting pitches for.

00:48:38 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:48:39 ◼   ► And he said to me, Mike, someone's making a toasted sandwich maker.

00:48:42 ◼   ► And then we made like this big joke about it.

00:48:44 ◼   ► It's like, what is going on?

00:48:45 ◼   ► Like such a hilarious thing.

00:48:47 ◼   ► I downloaded Toasty.

00:48:49 ◼   ► It's incredible.

00:48:50 ◼   ► It's an incredible game.

00:48:52 ◼   ► Like so much effort, so much more effort has gone into this than I

00:48:57 ◼   ► would have thought.

00:48:58 ◼   ► Uh yeah, d I love this.

00:49:00 ◼   ► I love this so much.

00:49:01 ◼   ► I love that there are people that are putting time into making toy apps

00:49:06 ◼   ► again.

00:49:07 ◼   ► And

00:49:08 ◼   ► I'm gonna hand it to Apple Federico because they had originally said, don't do

00:49:13 ◼   ► this.

00:49:15 ◼   ► So like they were like, don't make duo apps only, right?

00:49:20 ◼   ► And don't make kind of like and this is like an older thing, right?

00:49:23 ◼   ► Of like apps need to have utility and all that kind of stuff.

00:49:27 ◼   ► But I hand it to them that they are like, Oh, you know what?

00:49:30 ◼   ► These kinds of app experiences should exist.

00:49:34 ◼   ► And I'm I'm very pleased that they are making that they are allowing these

00:49:39 ◼   ► apps into the app store.

00:49:40 ◼   ► Although they always should, you know, but sometimes they don't.

00:49:43 ◼   ► Uh and I I'm very pleased to see it.

00:49:45 ◼   ► Like I mean these at like, you know, they're getting around it, right?

00:49:48 ◼   ► Like I've I've opened the toasty uh page here to add it to the

00:49:52 ◼   ► show notes.

00:49:52 ◼   ► There is an a regular iPhone version, but like come on now.

00:49:56 ◼   ► This is a duo app.

00:49:58 ◼   ► It's a duo app and especially, you know, with how the toasting actually works

00:50:02 ◼   ► by Slipping it close, you know, like yeah.

00:50:05 ◼   ► Yeah, it's great.

00:50:05 ◼   ► I think it's uh I think it's interesting that neither of us said, now

00:50:10 ◼   ► that I think about it, that the last time we felt this way was

00:50:13 ◼   ► with the Vision Pro.

00:50:15 ◼   ► Well, because it said okay, so like the Vision Pro

00:50:19 ◼   ► is one of the m the most impressive pieces of technology I've ever used.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:24 ◼   ► But

00:50:26 ◼   ► it just fills it out so fast.

00:50:30 ◼   ► You know?

00:50:31 ◼   ► Because it's not an iPhone.

00:50:33 ◼   ► It's not an iPhone.

00:50:34 ◼   ► And and it just it doesn't have that like daily, it just didn't end

00:50:38 ◼   ► up having like a daily use case kind of thing.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Like I'm sure there are a bunch of things like you know, Zoe and

00:50:43 ◼   ► Discord is like, you know, the iPhone ten, somewhat like this, but it's still

00:50:48 ◼   ► not not as much.

00:50:49 ◼   ► Like the duo is just so much more of a new experience

00:50:54 ◼   ► in the iPhone realm than any other iPhone before where it's like, okay, it

00:50:58 ◼   ► got a little bit bigger, or maybe this method of interaction has changed.

00:51:03 ◼   ► No, but what about if it's like the iPhone has changed shape massively, right?

00:51:08 ◼   ► Like the front screen is like a it's i i the the biggest departure

00:51:12 ◼   ► for a shape change of an iPhone.

00:51:14 ◼   ► And then also there's another screen on the inside, and all of the buttons

00:51:19 ◼   ► have moved.

00:51:19 ◼   ► All of the buttons are in different places now.

00:51:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:23 ◼   ► And you can have two apps.

00:51:25 ◼   ► Like this is such a massive departure for the iPhone.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Um, which is what makes it fun, but it also just introduces just a

00:51:35 ◼   ► like a bunch of like I am I don't know about you, but I

00:51:37 ◼   ► am encountering so many things that are just like broken.

00:51:42 ◼   ► Like from in Apple apps.

00:51:44 ◼   ► Right?

00:51:44 ◼   ► Whereas like like the the biggest one for me so far is the Notes

00:51:48 ◼   ► app.

00:51:50 ◼   ► The text just keeps disappearing behind the keyboard.

00:51:53 ◼   ► Oh, I haven't.

00:51:54 ◼   ► Like it's not scru it's not happening every time, but it's like if I

00:51:58 ◼   ► put it into the you know, maybe if I like half fold it and

00:52:00 ◼   ► then unfold it again, now the text is just behind the UI.

00:52:03 ◼   ► Like it's and then I have to kinda leave and come back.

00:52:06 ◼   ► It's like they're just but these are the things that I kind of expect

00:52:09 ◼   ► from a device like this.

00:52:10 ◼   ► And I know that people don't want that, but I just feel like I've

00:52:14 ◼   ► been around for long enough that it's like if you make a huge change.

00:52:18 ◼   ► There's just gonna be a bunch of stuff that's small and like is broken

00:52:21 ◼   ► and like it maybe is only broken sometimes so people don't see it.

00:52:25 ◼   ► Um and all that kind of stuff.

00:52:26 ◼   ► Uh Federico, I I've been using an Apple pencil on my iPhone today.

00:52:29 ◼   ► Oh you have?

00:52:30 ◼   ► Okay.

00:52:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I I bought an a USB C Apple Pencil today because in twenty

00:52:34 ◼   ► seven point two, the release count today of twenty seven point two, which I

00:52:38 ◼   ► think is gonna probably gonna come out like in the next week or two

00:52:40 ◼   ► now.

00:52:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:41 ◼   ► Um they they have enabled Apple Pencil support.

00:52:44 ◼   ► It's brilliant.

00:52:45 ◼   ► Like on the inside screen, it's just brilliant.

00:52:48 ◼   ► For like scribbling, note taking, even just using it to like get around the

00:52:52 ◼   ► UI.

00:52:52 ◼   ► Like it works on both screens.

00:52:54 ◼   ► Um

00:52:56 ◼   ► fantastic.

00:52:56 ◼   ► Like I'm happy that they've finally done it because why not?

00:52:59 ◼   ► You know, and now we have this this iPhone with such a huge screen.

00:53:02 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, really why not?

00:53:05 ◼   ► I am curious to try the Apple Pencil.

00:53:08 ◼   ► I don't have USB C one, so I'm gonna buy one.

00:53:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I had to buy one.

00:53:11 ◼   ► Talking about the screen, what do you how do you feel about the the

00:53:14 ◼   ► inner display?

00:53:16 ◼   ► Oh, it looks amazing.

00:53:18 ◼   ► Right?

00:53:19 ◼   ► I mean the the texture of it, the the size,

00:53:25 ◼   ► the one thing I don't like

00:53:27 ◼   ► is the layout of the home screen in portrait.

00:53:30 ◼   ► I think it's too

00:53:33 ◼   ► narrow.

00:53:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:34 ◼   ► It looks kinda bad.

00:53:35 ◼   ► There's lotta wasted space in there.

00:53:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:37 ◼   ► It's the iPad Mini.

00:53:38 ◼   ► This is what the iPad mini looks like.

00:53:40 ◼   ► It's like the iPad mini, really.

00:53:42 ◼   ► Um I I don't know, this really works for me in terms of like

00:53:46 ◼   ► the split view that's that you can do.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Uh I gotta get used to this new another new flavor of multitasking.

00:53:54 ◼   ► I think I

00:53:57 ◼   ► I kind of agree with Gruber.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Uh Gruber had an excellent review on the ringfireball um that it's probably the

00:54:04 ◼   ► best version of simple split screen multitasking that they've ever made.

00:54:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:10 ◼   ► Um it's very intuitive when you drag a an icon uh or an app,

00:54:15 ◼   ► um you get these two tiles on the sides of the screen that sort

00:54:19 ◼   ► of expand when you hover with a window over them to indicate that that's

00:54:24 ◼   ► gonna become a split view and then on the right side you got a

00:54:26 ◼   ► you get a a home screen again.

00:54:28 ◼   ► You can tap something.

00:54:29 ◼   ► So they took some of the interaction design and some of the lessons that

00:54:34 ◼   ► they learned with the iPad and they simplified them to get to the core

00:54:38 ◼   ► of the of this mechanic, right?

00:54:40 ◼   ► Of this interaction.

00:54:42 ◼   ► And so I think it works well.

00:54:43 ◼   ► I especially appreciate that on uh On either side of the split, you can

00:54:50 ◼   ► swipe over the home indicator to cycle through apps in that side of the

00:54:56 ◼   ► split.

00:54:57 ◼   ► And and I like that you can on each side of the split go

00:55:00 ◼   ► back to the home screen.

00:55:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:55:02 ◼   ► On each side you can go back.

00:55:04 ◼   ► Uh also if you tap the uh if you swipe up in the middle,

00:55:10 ◼   ► right, you will get the app switcher with the two apps still paired and

00:55:15 ◼   ► you can make them sticky.

00:55:16 ◼   ► So you can create pairs by actually tapping the the in the splitting the

00:55:21 ◼   ► split screen indicator in between so they sort of get glued together.

00:55:26 ◼   ► Um I don't know.

00:55:28 ◼   ► I feel like I am going to

00:55:32 ◼   ► I am going to try and use this device for some lightweight MacStories work.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:40 ◼   ► For writing quick articles and you know just managing Notion.

00:55:45 ◼   ► It's great timing that Notion is working on a native version of the app.

00:55:50 ◼   ► Um that I have the beta version looks great uh on the iPhone Duo

00:55:55 ◼   ► already.

00:55:56 ◼   ► Um I think it's the the unsaid part, I think, of the dual form

00:56:02 ◼   ► factor is that it is the perfect timing for

00:56:08 ◼   ► making a native app.

00:56:11 ◼   ► Because everybody these days is doing it with AI.

00:56:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:56:14 ◼   ► I don't know if you've kept up with some of these latest trends, Mike,

00:56:18 ◼   ► but like in the all in in

00:56:22 ◼   ► in the tech industry right now, and especially like

00:56:26 ◼   ► AI heavy organizations,

00:56:30 ◼   ► there's been over the past couple of months a move away from Electron and

00:56:36 ◼   ► cross-platform apps back toward native apps.

00:56:40 ◼   ► It all started with this blog post from Shopify a couple of months ago

00:56:45 ◼   ► and kind of snowballed from there.

00:56:48 ◼   ► Now Notion is making native apps.

00:56:50 ◼   ► Now a bunch of other companies are making native apps again.

00:56:53 ◼   ► And everybody's in agreement about the fact that it used to be more convenient

00:56:58 ◼   ► to make a cross-platform app before AI coding was a thing.

00:57:02 ◼   ► Now with agents, they're actually great at building native apps for each particular platform

00:57:09 ◼   ► and the customers are happier because of it.

00:57:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:12 ◼   ► And so there's going to be now this is perfect timing for Apple because

00:57:16 ◼   ► they're asking developers to make native apps for a new form factor.

00:57:21 ◼   ► And the reason why we have so many of these dual apps now, unlike

00:57:26 ◼   ► say two years ago with the Vision Pro, there's two reasons, AI agents.

00:57:32 ◼   ► Most of these I I would put money on the table and say 95%

00:57:36 ◼   ► of these developers have done these duo apps with Cloud Code or Codecs or

00:57:41 ◼   ► whatever.

00:57:42 ◼   ► And the second reason is unlike the Vision Pro, these apps

00:57:48 ◼   ► can be easily tested by agents in a simulator.

00:57:52 ◼   ► Or people.

00:57:53 ◼   ► I mean you could you can also like it's easier to test sure.

00:57:55 ◼   ► Even if you want to do the test on your own on yourself, right?

00:57:58 ◼   ► You can But like it's from a technology perspective, from from the developer point

00:58:04 ◼   ► of view, it's the perfect storm right now.

00:58:07 ◼   ► You have a new iPhone, it's easy to make apps for it.

00:58:11 ◼   ► Native apps are making a comeback.

00:58:13 ◼   ► You can use agents and you can make money on the app store.

00:58:17 ◼   ► And so that's why.

00:58:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:19 ◼   ► I want to talk about the display, the inside display a little bit.

00:58:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:23 ◼   ► I love the way it feels.

00:58:25 ◼   ► Yes.

00:58:26 ◼   ► I d I don't love the desaturation of the color.

00:58:30 ◼   ► Like if you compare I guess I'm used to it because I have nanotexture

00:58:34 ◼   ► everywhere.

00:58:35 ◼   ► I need to get used to the nanotexture.

00:58:37 ◼   ► Like it looks great.

00:58:39 ◼   ► The outside display looks nicer to me.

00:58:43 ◼   ► I see it.

00:58:45 ◼   ► It's brighter, the colors are more saturated.

00:58:48 ◼   ► This is why we have like glossy displays, you know, like this is why

00:58:51 ◼   ► we moved to glossy too glossy.

00:58:53 ◼   ► Um I really love the way it feels more than I like the way

00:58:56 ◼   ► it looks.

00:58:57 ◼   ► Um I I I am getting used to it.

00:59:00 ◼   ► I need to get more used to it.

00:59:01 ◼   ► And it also it depends on the angle, you know, like straight on it

00:59:05 ◼   ► looks better than if it's lightly tilted.

00:59:07 ◼   ► But like it is something I'm getting used to.

00:59:10 ◼   ► It's not the immediate slam dunk for me, I think that it is for

00:59:14 ◼   ► others.

00:59:14 ◼   ► Because I I I really like how vivid the a typical iPhone display is.

00:59:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I loved it immediately because I have nanotexture on my iPad, nanotexture on

00:59:23 ◼   ► my MacBook Pro.

00:59:25 ◼   ► I used it in the sun uh today and I just made me so

00:59:30 ◼   ► happy.

00:59:31 ◼   ► For years I wished that I could have an iPhone that I could use

00:59:34 ◼   ► in the sun and it's finally possible.

00:59:38 ◼   ► Now will I take this to the beach?

00:59:40 ◼   ► That's a question for well, it's kinda always kinda scary to take a foldable

00:59:45 ◼   ► to the beach.

00:59:45 ◼   ► Well, I mean they've rated it.

00:59:47 ◼   ► IP sixty eight.

00:59:48 ◼   ► So it should it should be fine.

00:59:51 ◼   ► It should be fine.

00:59:52 ◼   ► And if you won't be, I'll write about it.

00:59:55 ◼   ► Get Apple Care, Federico, before you take it to the beach.

00:59:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:58 ◼   ► Get Apple Care before you take it to the beach.

00:59:59 ◼   ► Uh let me tell you something that's super funny.

01:00:02 ◼   ► I picked up my 17 Pro.

01:00:03 ◼   ► I'm like wow this phone is tall.

01:00:05 ◼   ► It's already happening.

01:00:08 ◼   ► I had it within like two hours, I picked up my 17 Pro and

01:00:11 ◼   ► it's like, man, this phone feels not big but tall.

01:00:15 ◼   ► Oh yeah, it just happened for me.

01:00:17 ◼   ► I just picked up my my seventeen pro and I had the same reaction.

01:00:20 ◼   ► It's like it feels like the iPhone five to five S kind of thing,

01:00:24 ◼   ► where it's like, wow, there's a lot of like extra headroom on this on

01:00:28 ◼   ► this phone now.

01:00:28 ◼   ► It's a it was a v hilarious to me that it happens so quickly.

01:00:32 ◼   ► So quickly.

01:00:33 ◼   ► So quickly.

01:00:34 ◼   ► Look, we're g we're just scratching the surface of this thing.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Like we're gonna be talking about this for weeks and weeks and weeks and

01:00:42 ◼   ► weeks, um as we as we get our heads around this device a little

01:00:45 ◼   ► bit more, right?

01:00:46 ◼   ► Like there's there's just so much here.

01:00:51 ◼   ► Like I uh do do you have anything else that you like really want

01:00:54 ◼   ► to touch on right now?

01:00:57 ◼   ► Like hardware or software, like good, bad things that you're intrigued to to spend

01:01:04 ◼   ► more time with?

01:01:06 ◼   ► I wanna try and get more and get work done on it.

01:01:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:09 ◼   ► I want to

01:01:12 ◼   ► I want to get the kickstand and uh pair it with uh with the

01:01:16 ◼   ► magic keyboard, see what it's like.

01:01:19 ◼   ► Yep.

01:01:20 ◼   ► I I'm gonna travel with it next week.

01:01:24 ◼   ► Oh yeah, yeah, that's gonna be a great test.

01:01:27 ◼   ► Yes.

01:01:27 ◼   ► And Don't take your iPad.

01:01:30 ◼   ► I don't think I will.

01:01:31 ◼   ► That's my challenge to you.

01:01:32 ◼   ► Don't take your iPad.

01:01:34 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:01:35 ◼   ► I think I'll just take this.

01:01:37 ◼   ► And on the plane.

01:01:38 ◼   ► Yep.

01:01:39 ◼   ► In a power bank.

01:01:40 ◼   ► And um and see what happens.

01:01:43 ◼   ► I probably am probably gonna gonna go to the Apple store and pick up

01:01:47 ◼   ► uh an Apple pencil and a and a kickstand case if they have it.

01:01:51 ◼   ► Uh I will cut I will cut the case.

01:01:54 ◼   ► Yeah so yesterday we were at the duo thing.

01:01:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:57 ◼   ► We're looking at the cases and Federico asks the person at Apple like he's

01:02:03 ◼   ► like, Oh and that that kicks hand case is really nice.

01:02:06 ◼   ► I actually did buy one today after seeing it yesterday.

01:02:09 ◼   ► I was like, Oh I think I wouldn't use it all the time, but

01:02:11 ◼   ► I would use this sometimes, you know, like for di f maybe I'm going

01:02:14 ◼   ► away or whatever.

01:02:16 ◼   ► And uh

01:02:17 ◼   ► Federico's like, Hm, it'd be really nice if there was like just a back

01:02:22 ◼   ► for this.

01:02:23 ◼   ► And as soon as he said that, I was like Well he's gonna cut

01:02:25 ◼   ► that in front of

01:02:27 ◼   ► like I knew it, like immediately.

01:02:30 ◼   ► Anyone that listens to this show immediately knows what that means.

01:02:33 ◼   ► He's like, Huh, you know, it would be nice and I'm like, Well he's

01:02:35 ◼   ► just gonna take a scalpel down thing, like there's no messing around.

01:02:39 ◼   ► And someone should make that product.

01:02:40 ◼   ► Just a back with a kickstand.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Just a back.

01:02:43 ◼   ► Just a back.

01:02:44 ◼   ► Just a back.

01:02:46 ◼   ► Because it is weird to to have the screen covered on the front, I

01:02:48 ◼   ► think.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Now that little flap that moves all the time.

01:02:50 ◼   ► Oh my god.

01:02:51 ◼   ► Really nice.

01:02:52 ◼   ► Really nice.

01:02:53 ◼   ► I think that that is such a clever design for a for a folding

01:02:57 ◼   ► phone case.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Mm-mm.

01:02:59 ◼   ► No, I can I can I can go with that.

01:03:01 ◼   ► I don't want it on my phone all the time, but I just think

01:03:04 ◼   ► the way they have designed it is is clever.

01:03:06 ◼   ► That that cover is crazy.

01:03:07 ◼   ► Like I don't want I don't w it's like every time I'm

01:03:11 ◼   ► opening my phone like I'm gonna I'm gonna read you the scriptures or something.

01:03:14 ◼   ► Like no, like I'm not you know, I just

01:03:18 ◼   ► I when I grab my phone from my pocket, I wanna see the screen.

01:03:22 ◼   ► And then we can talk about having protection in the back and a kickstand.

01:03:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:26 ◼   ► But that design is I don't I I don't understand why they didn't make

01:03:30 ◼   ► two versions.

01:03:31 ◼   ► Like a ninety w ninety-nine dollar b or seventy dollar one that that's just

01:03:36 ◼   ► the back and the full thing that has the front cover.

01:03:40 ◼   ► Feels like a missed opportunity to me.

01:03:43 ◼   ► Something I cannot believe It's that.

01:03:46 ◼   ► So like in in my my the like the chinos that I wear all

01:03:50 ◼   ► the time, like the trousers, they have an an internal zip pocket inside of

01:03:54 ◼   ► the pocket, just for a phone, so it doesn't.

01:03:58 ◼   ► I was convinced that this phone would not fit inside of the pocket and

01:04:01 ◼   ► it fits perfectly.

01:04:02 ◼   ► I just thought it was gonna be too wide.

01:04:05 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:04:06 ◼   ► But I'm very happy.

01:04:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna give you a quick tip.

01:04:08 ◼   ► Okay.

01:04:09 ◼   ► Maybe you already know this, I don't know.

01:04:11 ◼   ► How do you open control center on the duo?

01:04:14 ◼   ► You tap the little Okay, so you know Yeah.

01:04:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:18 ◼   ► You don't need to swipe down from the top right, you can just tap

01:04:20 ◼   ► the the Wi Fi and signal thing.

01:04:24 ◼   ► I wish there was an easier way to also bring down notification center.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:29 ◼   ► And something I I I've I realized this earlier when I was doing something

01:04:33 ◼   ► in control center.

01:04:33 ◼   ► It was like, oh man, this is this phone has ruined my control center

01:04:36 ◼   ► layout.

01:04:37 ◼   ► Yes, it's like you can't put as much stuff on there.

01:04:40 ◼   ► So well, just in general.

01:04:42 ◼   ► So like I did a iCloud backup because I just wanted I was I

01:04:45 ◼   ► was gonna set this phone up as fresh and I was talking to Adina

01:04:47 ◼   ► about it and she's like, But what about all your settings?

01:04:50 ◼   ► And I'm like oh my god, that's such a great point.

01:04:52 ◼   ► Like she's like, What about your focus modes?

01:04:54 ◼   ► And I was like, Oh yeah, I would hate to set those all up

01:04:57 ◼   ► again.

01:04:58 ◼   ► So I just set it up as an iCloud backup.

01:05:00 ◼   ► But my home screens are not right for this phone.

01:05:03 ◼   ► And I don't know what what is right yet.

01:05:06 ◼   ► But I need to redo all of it.

01:05:08 ◼   ► That's what uh the the next few evenings for me are gonna be that

01:05:12 ◼   ► while we're watching TV, just casually adjusting my home screen, my control center, all

01:05:17 ◼   ► those things.

01:05:18 ◼   ► Something I had not realized from imagery and videos until I had it in

01:05:23 ◼   ► my hand is the left hand side of the main screen is the today

01:05:27 ◼   ► view.

01:05:28 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:28 ◼   ► So it's just all widgets there.

01:05:30 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:31 ◼   ► Which makes a lot of sense because it's mirroring the screen when you open

01:05:36 ◼   ► it.

01:05:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:36 ◼   ► But it just hadn't it I just hadn't put two and two together to

01:05:40 ◼   ► realize that's what that is.

01:05:42 ◼   ► And so like I've always had just like a big shortcuts widget in the

01:05:45 ◼   ► Today view, but I don't want that on my home screen.

01:05:48 ◼   ► So that's gotta go hidden I'm gonna have to hide that and I'm gonna

01:05:51 ◼   ► put something else there.

01:05:51 ◼   ► But I don't what it's gonna be yet.

01:05:53 ◼   ► I really don't know I just don't know what's right for this phone.

01:05:56 ◼   ► But again,

01:05:58 ◼   ► I love a home screen, so the idea of like redesigning my home screens

01:06:02 ◼   ► all over again Yes, that don't tempt me with a good time.

01:06:07 ◼   ► If only there was an app with some widgets

01:06:11 ◼   ► to put on the home screen.

01:06:12 ◼   ► I have so many widgets with widgets you wouldn't believe just so many photos.

01:06:16 ◼   ► Federic card, the joy of a extra large

01:06:21 ◼   ► widget, just photos from your favorites album.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Nice.

01:06:26 ◼   ► That is a treat.

01:06:27 ◼   ► And it's very likely that I end up with an extra large photo widget

01:06:31 ◼   ► Smith widget as my left hand pane, but I wanna see if like I

01:06:35 ◼   ► have a bunch of informational widgets that I have like kind of scattered across

01:06:39 ◼   ► my pages.

01:06:40 ◼   ► Would they be best to just put all on the left side, maybe?

01:06:43 ◼   ► You know, like weather calendar, timery do should I just put them all there

01:06:48 ◼   ► and use that space as like a data control center and then have like

01:06:53 ◼   ► photos and apps on the other panes?

01:06:56 ◼   ► Like this is I just don't know yet.

01:06:58 ◼   ► I don't know what I want you know?

01:07:00 ◼   ► If you scru the the final thing I would say.

01:07:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:04 ◼   ► If you swipe quickly between pages of your inner display.

01:07:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:11 ◼   ► Do Do you think that's 120 FPS?

01:07:14 ◼   ► No.

01:07:15 ◼   ► Right?

01:07:15 ◼   ► No, there's not just me.

01:07:16 ◼   ► Yeah, there's something going on there.

01:07:17 ◼   ► It's there's something going on, right?

01:07:19 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:20 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:20 ◼   ► It's not dropping a few frames or something.

01:07:23 ◼   ► It absolutely is, yeah.

01:07:24 ◼   ► This this whole animation is weird.

01:07:26 ◼   ► Like it's not bad.

01:07:27 ◼   ► It's just different.

01:07:29 ◼   ► Swipe across pages on the outer display.

01:07:31 ◼   ► And then swipe across pages on the inner display.

01:07:35 ◼   ► Oh yeah, the inner display is perfect.

01:07:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:38 ◼   ► No, the outer the outer display.

01:07:39 ◼   ► That's what I meant to say.

01:07:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:40 ◼   ► The outer display is perfect.

01:07:41 ◼   ► It's perfect.

01:07:42 ◼   ► It's the inner display is not Right?

01:07:45 ◼   ► It's kinda laggy.

01:07:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:48 ◼   ► And I think there is a combination of two things going on here, which

01:07:51 ◼   ► is one, the animation is very different.

01:07:53 ◼   ► So that is

01:07:55 ◼   ► more pixels.

01:07:56 ◼   ► It doesn't look right.

01:07:56 ◼   ► And then also like what we're used to.

01:08:00 ◼   ► And then also I do believe that like if you 'cause if you do

01:08:02 ◼   ► it slowly, it looks 120.

01:08:05 ◼   ► Yeah, you're welcome.

01:08:06 ◼   ► Swipe gate.

01:08:07 ◼   ► No He's done it.

01:08:09 ◼   ► He's done it.

01:08:10 ◼   ► Multiple people have sent to me today a photo of Reddit of someone breaking

01:08:14 ◼   ► one of these things in an Apple store as if it's like, here we

01:08:17 ◼   ► go.

01:08:17 ◼   ► It's like no, you can break a phone.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Like you can just break a phone.

01:08:21 ◼   ► Like that's the thing that anybody can do.

01:08:23 ◼   ► Like

01:08:24 ◼   ► I I don't understand people breaking iPhones.

01:08:27 ◼   ► I know.

01:08:28 ◼   ► Just for for fun.

01:08:30 ◼   ► Just Just let just let the Jerry rig everything guy do it.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Just the one guy.

01:08:34 ◼   ► It's the one person who's allowed to break the funds.

01:08:36 ◼   ► Everybody else just stop.

01:08:38 ◼   ► And even then I don't fully get it.

01:08:39 ◼   ► Me too.

01:08:40 ◼   ► But I just figure we're gonna have to if we have to have one

01:08:43 ◼   ► person We can have one guy.

01:08:44 ◼   ► He's pretty good at it.

01:08:46 ◼   ► Like I like the way he does it.

01:08:47 ◼   ► At least he's a professional about it.

01:08:49 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:08:49 ◼   ► He's a professional phone breaker.

01:08:51 ◼   ► We don't need people just breaking phones

01:08:54 ◼   ► top slash apple.

01:08:55 ◼   ► Like Yeah, we we don't need you.

01:08:57 ◼   ► We don't need it.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Especially like what I don't like, this one that I've it's a broken unit

01:09:01 ◼   ► inside of an Apple store.

01:09:02 ◼   ► And it's like if somebody went into an Apple store and broke an iPhone,

01:09:04 ◼   ► you're just a delinquent.

01:09:06 ◼   ► Yes.

01:09:06 ◼   ► So that's what that's it for today.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Uh we will uh like we're gonna have more to come back on with

01:09:12 ◼   ► this thing.

01:09:12 ◼   ► These very much are our first impressions.

01:09:15 ◼   ► Um, upgrade on Monday.

01:09:17 ◼   ► Uh me and Jason will do the best we can to review this phone,

01:09:20 ◼   ► haven't it for three or four days.

01:09:22 ◼   ► Um, I think we'll be able to do a decent job of that and

01:09:25 ◼   ► then we'll be talking about it on uh on future episodes of the show.

01:09:28 ◼   ► Next week, uh we'll be talk I I hope Steven will have one by

01:09:31 ◼   ► then.

01:09:31 ◼   ► I know he doesn't right now, but I hope he will.

01:09:33 ◼   ► But we'll be talking about whatever it is Federico's gonna be seeing in LA.

01:09:38 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:09:38 ◼   ► Um so yeah, there's there's a lot going on right now.

01:09:42 ◼   ► It's all fun stuff though.

01:09:43 ◼   ► I gotta say I'm super excited to spend a bunch of time with this

01:09:46 ◼   ► phone this weekend.

01:09:47 ◼   ► This is a this is a I'm gonna be working all weekend, but I'm

01:09:51 ◼   ► actually quite looking forward to it.

01:09:52 ◼   ► So Yeah.

01:09:53 ◼   ► It'll be fun.

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01:10:08 ◼   ► Federico, are you gonna write anything about the duo?

01:10:10 ◼   ► Yes.

01:10:11 ◼   ► All right.

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01:10:32 ◼   ► Say goodbye, Federico.

01:10:34 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:10:35 ◼   ► Cheerio.