00:00:00 ◼ ► I took the bold step the very first time ever done it and marked that review is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► not helpful I totally mark them as not helpful to have better not helpful I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/5">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► wanna talk about TV from a nap Breaking Bad and this is going to have a point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/12">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► was watching agents of shield earlier tonight with Aaron sorry well it's ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/19">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► it's it's got promise but it's not very good at the moment well the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► bring this up is because there was a portion of the episode and this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/31">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► particularly important if you haven't seen it yet but somebody was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► behind enemy lines if you will and they had like you know an invisible world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► almost invisible secret agent earpiece thing and this person was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► schmooze people they didn't know at a party and so what they did was they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► the other agents like up in the magical plane thing telling the person on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/55">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► oh well this is someone so he has twin kids and ask him about this now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/62">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► other thing so this person can schmooze not look like an outsider well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► walked away from one of the from this conversation where they had to schmooze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► and with people that know me and they said something to the effect oh wow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/74">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► really awesome having you guys here and really get used to this and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/79">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► said and i'm quoting its like Siri if it works and so this is a national TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/82">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► and granted america's not the be all end all but I mean this is Apple taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► potshots on national television which I thought was a little bit surprising well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► to be fair Syria has never been that reliable no I mean it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► unreasonable I just thought it was surprising that it would that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► become part of the killers right word but it's become something that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► recognizes as an issue that's the anti trap anything you do that to a lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► person seems like it should be like another person talking to you until we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► get actual real you know whatever the term is strong AI is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► and there's gonna be an expectation gap I talked to a thing I want to respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/125">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► me like a person it's not going to we all know it's not going to but doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► matter because once I start talking to like a person to dam up their work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► a person and that combined with its reliability of like sometimes it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/136">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► says sorry I couldn't do it could reach servers not available in order but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► a response to you you know it's fun to play with and then you quickly realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► it's not like talking to a person and you disappointed and that's never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► to go away like Google now series things are getting better and better and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/150">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► know just be leaps and bounds over where they are today and people will still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► like it'll still be jokes about them on late night TV because there are they so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/159">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► stupid you know my dog smarter than syria like it doesn't understand he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► doesn't understand and it wont doesn't understand it won't understand for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► know years decades our lifetime who knows how long it will take to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► actual intelligence on the level of human being and the other end of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► computer thing and up until that point it's going to be the butt of jokes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/178">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► hard to tell it on the agent of shield episode they were making fun of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► reliability or the intelligence or bowl right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► figures like the reliability that you know that Apple graceland I now we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► make this stupid thing reliable the very least and then you're just complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► about all the responses aren't very smart but when it says sorry it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► available right now series now read that it says when when you know the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► center response that is something that Apple should be ashamed I now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► everything else if you're doing anything that you talk to the talks back you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► gonna have to take your lumps but you know as far as as far as popular culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► is concerned as far as regular people are concerned he'll even as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► you're concerned it doesn't really matter whether the server failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► happens or whether it does the wrong thing or or thinks the wrong thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/227">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► what you said either way it's a failure and and all it takes is a few failures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/232">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► where you know after that you just forget about using you stop using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/236">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► words are weird is the right word but I can't help but wonder this got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/245">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► thinking that I can't help but wonder at what point is Apple gonna say enough is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/249">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► enough and not properly fix this and I know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► we've talked about this a lot with light cloud and core data for example and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► we've talked a lot a lot about this with series as well but at some point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► have to think that they're gonna get together and say got guys and girls we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► really really really have to fix this like it's that time ever coming is Mr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/269">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► waiting for train that's just not going to show up it was kind of a victory for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► Apple to be mentioned because the worst thing for Apple would be for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► make that same joke about Google now so like syria has the mindshare as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► thing on your phone that you talk to and there is value in having that mindshare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/283">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► even if it comes along with you know all that other baggage and everything just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/287">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► because like you know you gonna become the kleenex or whatever of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► whatever is generous sized random but you know that's that's what they went 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► for the joke because they figure most people know that they'll know what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► talking about they'll get the joke whereas you know Google now or any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/303">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► the other things that you talked to are more reliable yes but again I'm not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► don't think the joke was about reliability I think it's like if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► worked as in if you could actually a serious things and she would give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► versus just saying I'm sorry I don't know what that is doing a google search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/318">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► warrant which is what syria does when you try to talk to me like a person I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► don't know but like I think it's good that the word is in the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/326">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► consciousness and I think Apple continues to work on the reliability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► you know fail for the same reason they fail to make all their online service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/334">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► reliable but is also working on the intelligence part of it is just at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► point I think it's the cost of doing business you want to be on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► market you get out some sort of thing that you talked to does real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/344">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► intelligence searches from multiple sources and so it's never going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► away they're going to keep trying to make it better and you know about online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► services like I wanted to get a fix on line thing like you know that Mak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► goodnight tools and MobileMe with iCloud the one where they fixed everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► I really they just keep trying I guess when I mean and it's it's how you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/363">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► to start wondering what is it about Apple that makes them quote not good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/369">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► Webster's like we all say that we all right that we all think that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/375">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► not good but what's different like what's going to be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/380">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► a year from now compared to now in that area like what steps are they taking or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► what steps could they even take to meaningfully change that like what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► about the company that makes them not good at web services and I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► see from the outside any evidence that meaningful changes happening there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► seems like you know as we've discussed before it's it's probably a problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► engineering resources and priorities and up until this time Apple has clearly put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/409">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► some priority on web services but they are still a very small company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/417">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► their engineering resources and it doesn't really ever seem like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/424">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► gonna take a massive turn for the better we're suddenly their web services are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/429">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► going to have tons more staff on them tones more resources and be at a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► higher priority the company I don't I don't see that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► yeah I don't know either and and it seems we like most not everything is web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/442">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► objects right I mean I know the iTunes stories but but we have no reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/447">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► believe everything else as well I'll text you right and and that I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► don't think web objects the technology has anything substantial to do with why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/454">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► Apple is not quote good at web services and then you can pick on any language or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► platform and say oh well that doesn't scale or that's old or whatever the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/464">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► you know you could with with proper administration of proper coding you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/469">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► make anything scale you can make anything work the platform is really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/473">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► problem you know the platform is an end by the way there's nothing saying Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/478">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► has to be using with objects maybe they're not using it for part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/482">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► stuff using it for just a front end somewhere and using Oracle stuff behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► who knows but I I would not I would not put blame on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► the fact that they occasionally have web object URLs that we're looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/495">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► from the front I don't have a lot to do with it well but the hard thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/499">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► web job a web objects is that how do you hire for someone that can do web objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► obviously you can teach any competent programmer just about anything but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► you want a web objects guru they're like what four of them in the world in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/512">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► are probably on Apple's payroll ready so to get in and of itself web objects may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/516">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► not be the problem in the sense of it functions in with like he said good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/520">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► coding it'll continue to function but it's hard to hire into that role if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► wanted to throw people at the problem which may or may not even be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► well but really like looking at looking at a major code base for a major web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/534">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► service under heavy traffic that's very high profile I mean really doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► matter what language is written in like any new hires gonna have to go through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► lot of training and a lot of time just becoming familiar with this code base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► and becoming useful in working with it i mean i i dont think even if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/553">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► written in Java which everyone can either knows or can be taught very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► quickly I don't think that would really make a difference I mean really I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► if I'm directs really was the big problems they're having either that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► giant failure of leadership or that's it it's a giant failure of leadership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/569">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► that's it that's like that's the reason if if they're being held back because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► they're using web objects that's a really stupid reason to be held back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/581">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► these services are all pretty nu they could if that was really the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► they could rewrite them it wouldn't it would be a big undertaking but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► wouldn't be an insurmountable the fact is I don't think that's really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► problem and if it is really the problem then I'm still correct it's a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/598">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► with something about high-level leadership of priorities rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/603">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► objects is actually not now but back in the day was actually a tiny example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/610">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► couples sort of doing the right thing and I've done this rant several times as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/616">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► many other shows you two should be able to recite it by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► like if you're gonna do web services or anything anything online at the scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/624">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Apple does it you go into a different realm and what market said about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► know you can make any web service killing pop forum is true but once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► start getting into Apple scalar Google scale things like that do matter a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► little bit more than they do you like there's a threshold to reach capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► like okay now a neoplasm won't do and really the platform actually does matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/648">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► because any tiny inefficiency is multiplied by the millions of service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► that we have or maybe a particular architecture dictated by a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► platform doesn't allow us to be in a million different data centers around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/660">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► the world in a synchronized manner and all these other things that come into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► play for like seven people in the world for like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► Amazon Microsoft Google anybody who's got a worldwide online presence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► huge service which millions and millions of customers and where the good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/676">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► that web objects had going for it is that they didn't make themselves but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/681">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► was in the house came with us feel like like technology using now ok from nexrad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► and that's what you have to do it this scale you have to take ownership of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► online platform you can't just use sort of off the shelf stuff and by experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► and have them put them up to each other once you pass a certain threshold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► scale you got to stop yourself and the Sun does microsoft does Google does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/703">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► practically everything themselves right down to their own hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/708">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► everything and Apple seems to do so so much less of it and Apple is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/712">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► scale now hundreds of millions of people using iOS devices connecting to a club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► like there there there there at that scale they can't be the only person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► doing stuff off the shelf they need to take ownership of their online platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► technology and I don't understand the leadership get here too because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► clear that leadership gap doesn't exist for the client side stuff because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/731">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► the organization that does all this other stuff so clearly when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/737">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► a top or not but so clearly understand that it needs to take complete ownership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► of its platform we have to be responsible and making sure we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► good tools good compiler good language and we're going to not just do them once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/753">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► and just ok we're done koko's awesome you know project build their we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► set we've got our own tools for great they're gonna be no that's not satisfied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/761">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► with that we need a better compiler we need to ditch project will you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► New Mexico keep making this code better and better we need to switch out our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/769">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► debugger friend we need to have the Objective C runtime you know they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► take such incredible ownership of their platform they know they can't just let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/778">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► it sit there and then not relying unlike some other vendor or some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► platforms solve their problems and just throw it a bunch of people are here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► go here some pieces you know they totally take control of their clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► and they need to service that is just as important thing to be doing all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► same things whereas the team that has been working on this is the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► that that we're going to use inside Apple to deploy online services you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► starting 10 years ago and continually revising it ten years ago the head web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► objects which even then was kind of weird and aidid and they just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► like keep it up today to modernize it and like it like it's free pass that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► they didn't let that happen on the client side did you know racing ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► especially with exceptions a file system but most other aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/818">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► taking ownership of their of their platform there on the server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► they're not they're going to third-party vendors and that's an untenable strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► they need to be more like Google and Microsoft and Amazon and have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/829">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► platforms with their own in-house technology dedicate those kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► resources to it and I don't understand why one half of the company can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► and the other half can't because it seems like the same leadership well yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► but what do you say that objects is getting better I mean from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► there's no indication it's getting better but who's to say from that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► isn't getting better on the inside and they're just not letting anyone see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► the model of the way it works in the model the web of course the whole idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/855">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► of having you know object transparency just kind of like working like cocoa on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/859">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► the web and all these conveniences like that's not what massive online services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► about these days anymore they're about infrastructure pieces to manage storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► and data in ways that are totally unlike the web objects that in terms of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/871">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► you know how it all fits together just look at how like let's look at Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► span are things that they use for the database stuff in there and then all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► its predecessors like GFS and what was that some of the ceremony was the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/885">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► that the predicted a big table and like all these infrastructure projects that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/891">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► have come and gone and MapReduce and all those things like that Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► constantly revising Apple hasn't gone through that the revolution Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► started out its first things and just GFS and MapReduce were already ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► where Apple as the web objects in terms of doing things that scale and ghouls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/906">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► constantly throwing away it's all 10 replacing with doing it over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► and over again for its service and same thing with Amazon and all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► Apple started with one dot dress which was already like sort of the old model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/920">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► and look at much working for developers to do you know like google has proven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/925">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► that you can make things annoying for developers is certainly using big table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► is super annoying which is one of the reasons spanner exist for developers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► it was like you know scaling is king and even though it's going to be annoying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► do the stuff of the application level we scaling is more important and will work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► at the other things later as Apple was like oh we want this to be all nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► kind of like working with objects or convenient and everything is magically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► objects and persistent sounds like our data I guess my mind and in that nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/952">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► and that is nice and everything but that you know you're you aren't your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► tied behind your back in terms of how do you scales 217 data centers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► redundant hardware and all these other you know things like will know the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/964">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► has come when Apple has finally started to join the modern age when they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► have to bring a story down before they introduce new products like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► there's a way to do it like the reason they do that is not so much like a we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► have to take the store downtown new products they don't have to take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► tour ended in parks they have to take the dart story on this my theory they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/983">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► have to take the story down to add new products that appear to customers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► deterministic Manor right because they can add new products take mister down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/991">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► but they have no idea when or where they'll appear for people because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► their their architecture doesn't allow them to sort of you know have a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► say ok now this is available for the entire world is just like an added and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► then it sort of trickles out through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► there whatever system they have going with combined their CD and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► they don't want to spoil the surprise so instead of bringing the whole thing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► read the whole thing put put all the new stuff in the news wait for the moment my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► cell K and go bring it back up and then you're sure that nobody sees at halftime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► accidentally right and you're sure that when you turn on everybody sees the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► thing because you had time for to propagate during the you know that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► theory of why is it the store down but that's not how it works you can take to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► start down when you when you don't want to spoil the surprise do you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► think taking the store down is still necessary or do you think they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► it only for the theatrical element but it's it's because if they didn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► wouldn't have control over when people saw things like they want ever wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► everybody wants as much as possible but only starting in the given point I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► like this against the speculation if they just put up the store now it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► either slowly trickle out to people which would be kind of annoying that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► want everybody to see when you announce or if you started early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► some people might see it early you know so I think it's it's about making it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► that everyone sees things simultaneously it could be purely for theatrics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► then they do not do it all but that I think they would have stopped that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► now like this so many things they've done for theatrics that sort of coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► on but my guess is that has to do with content propagation and being control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► when it appears that the first person and getting it to appear to the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► people as soon as possible but there's no I mean there's no technical no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► why it has to take that one hot like they don't have to take the store down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► for an hour and a half to two to update something how long does it take for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► new content to propagate through their worldwide network of CDN it depends it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► depends how they do it I know what I'm saying maybe it maybe actually takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► them like two hours to be sure that all the new content is propagated audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► but but that's a choice they make an implementation I mean they can they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► do it within a few seconds of the 18 2010 and this is just my guess of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► they were doing like and you're right it is found for a long time so I can sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► down for five seconds then comes back up and down for like an hour during during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► usually goes down before the keynote and so it's down for like three how are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► only buying the old products while they're announcing the new ones but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► can still go into an Apple store and buy you can still buy them like that morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► you could say that that can't be the reason I wonder what about the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► employees wave you are like if you go in like the keynote is going on Trulia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► everyone out there knows the keynote is going out you go in like on the October [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► 22nd iPad event and you call in a while someone is on stage introducing new iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► you try to buy an old one would think the Apple Store guys gonna go you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► they're announcing new ones now I can stop by this here you go you can have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► now but just in case like you might want to know maybe you don't know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► announcing new ones right now I wonder if they tell you that I i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► might be overestimating the geekiness and attentiveness of both the staff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► be depressed if they don't if they don't even know that it's going on so do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► thinking about some more of the sample service before we go up to two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► topic do you think Apple's really feeling pain from this from from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► stuff being the status quo of working most of the time but not being up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► standards service wise quality wise up time was liability was of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► services Amazon Services Facebook services you know that the other big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► giant do you think Apple really feeling the pain from that lady you think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► is really hurting them because with Google they had to still ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► well because a not a lot of other people in their business for doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► be there were scaling way past but everyone was doing and see that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► entire business that's where everything comes from if Google doesn't serve an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► they lose money whereas Apple is selling all this hardware regardless of how of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► whether I must extend this morning you know it doesn't really hurt them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► directly and severely where there's one to two inches of downtown here in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► like how much do you think how much pain you think there's a feeling it's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► seems like they're not filling enough to do anything drastic well maybe but let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► me answer your question by asking you a question do you think Apple is proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► did and I think it's pretty clear to me that they're very proud company and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► dont I can't imagine to come full circle I can imagine that they liked hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► these potshots taken at them during agents of shield doesn't make sense you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► know that's the question of the question is it seems like a bomber type question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► if you were to ask them like you know off the record I can report this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► evidence that you bump into Tim Cook in an elevator whatever it's like do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► think Apple does online stuff as well as you know Google Amazon and Microsoft and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► that this could explain the leadership gap where they like maybe they have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► know they're in denial they think everyone has troubles every once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► while we were kind of you know in the mix were kind of pretty much almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► good as Google and Amazon you know maybe some days where Sunday's better as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► ups and downs like or do they really realized that just happened what the gap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► is you know and the Kappas not if you were to put on a little graph or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► something like that only a couple of percentage but it's like that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► couple of percentage of its like uptime going from like you know three nines 279 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► just astronomically hard so much harder than going from ninety percent of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► to 99 you know me in like the last little bits of the part the modern I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► wonder like that could explain why they haven't sort of gotten religion on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► and dedicated themselves to doing the server side taking ownership of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► service i'd text during the client side is that they think they think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► they're not that bad like maybe they really actually think we have room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► we're not satisfied with where we are but it's not that were closed right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► I would say no you're not like it seems like you're close but really those last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► few inches on the graph make all the difference you're not close there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► nobody there is not a single person who has any technical clue who would say do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► you think a ten-day of any month of any year that Apple does on stuff better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► than Google like it never it's never happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► no one has ever had that opinion as a hundred percent ok Go's better how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► better their little better but nobody believes that will better nobody liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► and I have a feeling that you have someone on the iTunes Music Store think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► of course we're better look how many billions of songs we saw look how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► apps we give people Google doesn't do stuff like that they're so their store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► sucks we do so much better you know like because they excel in a few areas like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► of static data to people they think we're an online services company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► we're awesome and it's just it's just not the same as an attractive thing do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► you think anyone's ever returned an iPhone because I message was down for 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► minutes a month now you read about them not feeling like it would be better if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► they felt they have more questions than Google they just do because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► there are so many other interesting things you can do with the device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► don't matter and you you know you can use Google services for example you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► use Google Maps another area where they have little trouble you can use Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► now like it's not the whole business is just part of their business and so no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► one's going to return that thing because series waukee every once in awhile like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► it doesn't hurt them as much as almost kind of a shame because it hurt them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► maybe you know like dropped jobs I think knew they weren't in the Google the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► stuff better like the MobileMe team and having meetings and trying to do a club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► like at least he i think he understood we're not good at this we should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► better he didn't know how to make that happen apparently but a few short ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► so we'll see if there ever comes a time where like I mean I guess Tim Cook maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► did that about maps like apologizing for map so we need to do better and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► understanding the master may be just as bad as a data problem and not a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► problem I don't know like that the thing about maps of I was like ok well now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► just need a better map it's like ok so you have forgotten about the fleet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► cars are going to drive over every single road in the entire world take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► pictures did you forget about that part because you don't get that for free if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► you just get better map data right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► Google did that that's a crazy project it's huge and its ongoing right and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► don't stop doing it and if you don't have an answer for that you're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► have Street View you not gonna have like let me fly 3d through the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► creeks offices like you're so far from that so how are you ever going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► compete it could be that is like walking over never gonna do that we just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► maps to say we have maps and they can just continue to use Google Maps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► things in Google Maps always gonna be better but that's not an applicant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► you know a man and it's not like when I say this is like a ass is a substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► problem the company that probably never change I can imagine to take another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► example the industry imagine if you know some some Microsoft CEO comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► I guess it's possible some new Microsoft CEO comes in and they say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► our devices aren't cool everything we make our our our hardware is not cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► our software is not cool nobody thinks our stuff for school let's hire somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► in charge of keeping things cool or let's let's just let's increase the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► funding to our cool department by 50 percent this year like do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► that's really going to change it like it it's not that easy and so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► looking at Apple and saying how can they address the server or the Services issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► that they their services aren't that good traditionally and continue to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► that way I don't think there is an answer I don't think I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► that's the kind of thing that can change in a large company I think either it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► priority from the start or it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► and the elements that Google has that that enabled them to produce these kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► of services that skill very well that prioritize all these things Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► doesn't have those elements and it in the same way that Google's never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► to make something client side that has the kind of quality and taste of of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► apple client side platforms and software I don't think Apple will ever have what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► it takes to make good quality services but the good thing in Apple's favor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► that the thing that Apple has that measures I think it will seem not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► have as it's kind of like it's one of the things he labels intangible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► scarecrows cuz it's intentional but it's like it's it's more mysterious whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► the things that Google has our tangible and a great example of it is Google was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1620">TS</a>]
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00:27:07 ◼ ► technical field right but they decided they want to have a client-side OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► they did that by making a client-side platform that they conclude took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► ownership of their own you know don't call it Javed Albuquerque NM their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► API their you know their own ideas their own store like they understood if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► want to have a client-side mobile platform we need to owner we need to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► the technology from top to bottom we're gonna like to find the VMware going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1650">TS</a>]
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00:27:37 ◼ ► stuff and we're gonna have the idea they understood that hey we were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► server-side company but we want to get into client side and we have we can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► it by like licensing about yourself or someone else we have to take ownership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► of it so that is a tangible thing and I think that's proof that Apple could if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► you wanted to say we need to get into service side and we have but also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► they had to say it and we need to take ownership of it the same way we take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► ownership of the inside the thing that's hard to transfer is like tasting culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► and coolness that is much harder to do because like there is no coolness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► Department of Microsoft you can increase funding and 50% something that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► exist right that and maybe like I will designers are tangible we just tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► all but like that's hard to do because they don't want to leave that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► gonna make something like that wouldn't work because the structure around them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► is different there like I think the tangible things like a server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► company proved that he can get into client side and take ownership of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► think there's no reason that a client-side company can't prove that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► can get into service I don't take ownership of the text I could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► didn't do it whereas the the intangibles about coolness and taste and design that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► is much harder to do like more rarely do you see a company like you know company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► like saying we're not cool stylish we're gonna put some effort on google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► tried to increased style and so as Microsoft but none of them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► they're still there still not reaching the heights at Apple gets in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► taste and design right they've both made efforts in that area but it seems harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► do whereas I would say technology wise but Google has as much control over in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► pending whatever the lawsuit is an Oracle but as much control over and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► determining its own destiny for all of its core tech all that service id Tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► of its clients high-tech hell they want to get back on the link now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► like they have taken ownership of their text back and so so as Microsoft had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► ownership and same thing with Amazon you know if they took in during the took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► ownership of it you know we're not gonna call Android it's going to be whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► the hell the Kindle assets right she s so I think I think it is totally within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► the realm of possibility too don't you do have to change how the company works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/1780">TS</a>]
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00:33:56 ◼ ► described every time I go I cannot recognize like the stripe form like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► fact that it's all clients I dare say so beautiful just like I feel kind of bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► because you know I made e-commerce sites too and it used to be such a pain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► make e-commerce sites like if we had straight back when we were done in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► has all the features that it's been like months implementing like manually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► know if they weren't you know there was no companies that you could like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► sources do we do no one knew what they were doing well just like I guess we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► take money from people over the computer it seemed like a crime get away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► something but yeah and structurally isn't that old like I like when it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► out was the maybe three years ago I mean it's not that old and like I just member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► even that even like three years ago making money online was still a hassle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► you basically had like the PayPal API which is a disaster of in every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► way I cannot having run-ins with the PayPal EBI I cannot tell anybody enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► how much they should not use PayPal for any of it if you even if you ignore all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► of the crazy stories about how people like how the paper how locks your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► account to your money that's bad enough but even when everything's working as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► it's terrible it's absolutely the worst thing in the universe like end for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► managing recurring subscriptions there's no way to get a list of subscribers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► still there is still no way to get a list you just have to take it all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► messages saying hey new person and keep track of yourself like newsstand only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► came to that news then that's true I think yeah the new stan has the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► thing we could I don't know anybody like PayPal is the worst like one strike came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► out a few years ago whenever that was the reason why I made such a splash was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► like they they're on their page it was like here is like a curl command and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► here's a block of JSON the equivalent that like here's how you charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► somebody's card and it's like these you know four lines or JSON guys one girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► come in you're like oh my god that's so much better than anything I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► to this message that there was the Amazon Payments story in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► newsweek around like speaking of the death of PayPal PayPal is the Experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► Exchange for yes exchange as insert the blankets to pay power and insert the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► blanket Amazon Payments stripe and all the other companies that finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► recognized that despite PayPal being the 800 pound gorilla everybody hates it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► indeed the diet all it takes is you know some new services that way out to all as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► we are to be seen to ALA heard of it but I like the the interest free lending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► thats keep I think your quarter and you can see you can pay a quarter and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► it's like it basically I am not sure how it works I think it might be based on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► CH or something it but somehow it doesn't use the credit card networks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► move money around so they charge only 25 cents but then there's like no fraud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► protection like it's it works a lot like cash something like that I get it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► don't know all the details but somehow they're able to only charged $0.25 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► pretty much any size money transfer and a complicated money-laundering scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► that you are you an unwitting participants what was weird is like so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► signed up for that a few months ago that that's how we're doing some of our ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► payments and liked it it feels wrong because it's so like it feel suspicious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► to me to only pay 25 cents to move a giant chunk of money somewhere like I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► dont know it made me uneasy but you know it it shouldn't it shouldn't though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► because like it's all the fact that it costs money to transfer money is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► artificial constructs artificial constructs based on the old world by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► that we have all our computers are connected together like the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► there's no sort of secure standard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► there's no common security standard for transferring money on the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► whatever you know like like really secure and everything is kind of strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► game of like Trustin you know parties are sufficiently trustworthy the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► you assume that they're not you know like and then they they communicate over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► this terrible protocol that it's like a check you know where you just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► number and somehow you can send money into people's accounts like the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► banking system has not kept up with current technology it's all kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► house of cards they were just you know kind of their alright everybody was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► not enough blood assists you know things like Paula come in and it does seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► you know what it shouldn't we should be able to transfer money see mostly from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► account to account why why we need a middleman for that it's because well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► don't have any real secure protocols and if we did the NSA would be stopping you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► know what kind of along same lines as a square cash which I think was under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► guard sent sent him maybe not somebody sent me hester select right out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► basically what's the way it works is you send an email to whoever whomever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► whatever is supposed to receive the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► UCC their email address let the square cash email address and you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► dollar amount subject line and then Square will send an email to the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► receiving the cash saying we think somebody's about to pay you hold on they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► send an email to the person that sent it so they sent it to you saying hey man or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► girl are you really sure you want to send this money and then what happens is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► the person receiving the money just inputs their debit card account number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► and all the money transfer nothing's $0.50 a transfer and I'm sure there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► limit in terms of how much you can send but I don't know what it is so it must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► be pretty high and that's it it's worth it works flawlessly dollar-something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► try it out yet that was pretty neat people that I remember saying that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► have a system in Europe that works but this does not surprise me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► Europe has has all the night Europe is the new Japan already used to be that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► Japan they have like flying cars and her boards and then we had nothing at all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► have the Azores like da kine Casio keyboards but they have the cool stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► and then their economy tanked but now it's like you know in Europe they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► and unemployment and switzerland was passing a law that for the minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► monthly income to be the equivalent of $2,800 for all citizens we get so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► email from this from people who are like I can't believe how terrible your system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► in the US's don't you know how much better this is in Europe and the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► is yes we know we are we are very aware of how terrible our system his please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► you'll have to tell us other I think like i mean they're saying you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► just need some two numbers they could transfer money just like they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► don't have the coins actually at the forefront of this technology as sad as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► it is with their you know crazy thing they have going on there at least they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► have sort of an attempt to make a secure you know mathematical foundation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► distributed middleman list transfers that everyone can be assured are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► know happening correctly you know what else you're right and I bring this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► only briefly cuz I just watched a video from Mythbusters about this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► roundabouts so the Mythbusters which are clearly the the bastion of all things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► good about science and they never ever flub anything ever they did a test with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► a four way stop versus around about the roundabout crush the four way stop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► terms of throughput and stuff that wasn't me I don't even think that's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► for debate i think i think almost every study has always proven that roundabouts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► really are way better for throughput ya know we have a ton of them around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► have them down for you guys ever get Massachusetts the land of the round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► about them now they're all over the place where they're becoming popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► here and it's funny watching everyone tried to navigate them because nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► John while I'm thinking of it how's the review going do you feel like you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► release date based on the October 22nd iPad everyone's kind of assuming will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► Mavericks as well and we gotta get the GMB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► hours after the election that's right that's right it turned out that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► Insider story that was pooh-poohing like they had it right it was just they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► talking about the people who get like the early see it as soon as I start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► went to the Apple website and saw nothing there I'm like oh maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► just bogus but it was just you know staged roll out the super duper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► Appleseed program people got it and then got it so there ya have got to gym [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► boo I had to redo a bunch of screenshots got the things they change just insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► like they change functionality to slide like rewrite the entire section because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► everything I had written about in all the screenshots taken were no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► there and the worst thing about the section had to rewrite is I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► understand one of the things that they changed like they changed the pop-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► menus where they are like that what the choices are and understand all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► choices except for one and so like right now in my review I have written that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► could not figure out what this meant like I tried maybe means this trial no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► trial I could not figure out of course I asked so many questions but they ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► me so maybe I'll be wrong but having a gem bill is good so I did a lot of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► revising things by the end I was getting pissed because it's like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► know the labels are the tag things or whatever in the Finder public eye color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► dot next to the fire and rain as you give it like a red lip they change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► size of those dots pixel guy just a troll you every single screen shot that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► have to forget I was like and I like the old times better like they made them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► like lightly small like I'll come on his own now just like if I had to redo a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► screenshot cuz they totally change or something works fine but I had to redo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► the dots mark that's this cruel like the one I tweeted was that one pop-up menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► was like two pixels farther away from the label we have to have like some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► very high ranking Design Manager on OS ted has to be a listener the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► would just like to say that it and if that is the truth can you imagine even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► if it's just the whoever's in charge of that particular screen just singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► themselves you know what I'm gonna troll John Siracusa moved from the pop-up menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► like that when I kind of get a passport because it was misaligned in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► pre-release felt like you know what it looks like a bunch of optimism still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► can't unless you know their last ages all line up and one of them wasn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► top one was like sticking out more than they were simply correcting like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► something we did a once over every single screening getting one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► someone Interface Builder like didn't drag little things need to be like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► know i mean and so they realigned its like you know I can retake the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► screenshot like it's just that point I was like really is every screen change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► in some small way people ask me on twitter is there anything that I let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► slide like if it's not off like that that I pick the right ones you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► is off I pixel you can't unsee it I'm not gonna leave the previous screenshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► and not just because it's purely because it's like hey the top pop up menu is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► online someone screwed up and Interface Builder I'm gonna fix that one there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► every viewer there's at least two or three shots that are not from gym and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► different ways that only I would notice and I've never been called on it so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► I shouldn't say this was not someone's gonna go sit there in like radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► different recycling find the one that but rest assured they will be shots in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► there that were taken not in the GM's the difference in material ways of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► you know there that no one will ever notice and I'm ok with that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► seriously gonna redo everything when he's the only person on earth who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► notice is you are like the person to the graphic designers like I change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► that's a different color now that's just you know no not even them like we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2740">TS</a>]
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00:46:28 ◼ ► terminology of like maybe this is GM's here you go you know and so I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► hope they will not be another one this is GMC too and I don't think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2794">TS</a>]
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00:46:42 ◼ ► have right now the text number of you says I don't know what the prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2802">TS</a>]
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00:46:59 ◼ ► different guesses about the price movie so I need a price and date I'm waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2819">TS</a>]
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00:48:07 ◼ ► that he's talked about the same three books over and over again this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► them but it's a different context this time it's in the context of an audiobook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2890">TS</a>]
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00:48:21 ◼ ► to it and it is also interesting only a book that most people will never ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► read on their own in paper form because it's like over a thousand pages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2907">TS</a>]
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00:48:36 ◼ ► pages to read about one person no matter how interesting there were no I am super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► into this this one person because he is out Robert Moses I knew the CPS and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2919">TS</a>]
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00:48:59 ◼ ► sort of tortured history and the interesting man that was behind them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► you know it really is an amazing book but I recognize when I recommend it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2943">TS</a>]
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00:49:24 ◼ ► never gonna read it right and instead just uses an audiobook 66 hours like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► more than two and a half days of cardio he said you're going on like a cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► country drive or something this is what you want this I mean think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/2974">TS</a>]
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00:50:35 ◼ ► don't want to share what's going on with overcast there's not a whole lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► share I mean the week went by I am working on it I've been working on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► I'm doing a little more with the sync engine today I was running playlist sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► and a couple of other preference Inc type of things I mean nothing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► optimizations fixes and just moving forward with the feature set adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► podcast podcast that's all like still in the works there's still a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► missing but that's about it not a gamer in the chat wants you to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► pricing for the app and and I pricing is interesting but honestly I have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► really made a decision yet and there's I'm not just saying that to to be coy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► really haven't decided what I'm going to do yet there's a lot of options I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► don't think I'm going to do the paid up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► thing there's there's a lot of value to that and I could with the new iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► receipt validation API I could launch as paid up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► see how it goes and then moved to free with a purchase and simply migrate those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► users over who bought it you can migrate them over and you you basically know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► they bought the paid version or not when you make the same app free so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► move from paid to fit within a purchase easily for the first time afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► before before iOS 7 you could not do that there were no need to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► everybody so I could do that and I i'm I've certainly thought about doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► I'm leaning towards not but the reality is also I'm probably still at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► three to four months away from release at least that's why you know i i i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► im gonna try it out this year it reality I think like January or February is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► more realistic and more likely so all these pricing dynamics could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► different then like I might change my mind the business model in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► month I I really don't know so that's about it I guess bTW 14 in the chat ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► you a question which I address on another show I don't think I addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► iTunes Match style subscription to remove ads and give the money to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► podcasters basically the readability model collecting money from people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► then distributing it to what you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► there's a number of practical problems to that most of which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► readability faced bitches if you default to collecting money for everyone without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► them claiming it's kind of weird and there's a lot of issues with the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► you could do something I can agree with flatter fighters decent service you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► I really my style but but it's a good service and they have good intentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► and stuff like that I think the biggest problem with the podcast app or platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► collecting money for everybody and distributing it out is that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3219">TS</a>]
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00:53:48 ◼ ► really agree on how they want to do that how they want a message that how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► want to receive that money a lot of podcasts already collect money directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► through themselves and wouldn't want the competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► a lot of them it would cause confusion as to who the people should be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► the advertisers but I mean it's not good for advertisers either because like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► hybrid thing makes nobody happy like you can even have a broadcast at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► listener supported buchanan podcast is ad-supported but when you try to do both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► it's likely advertisers are pissed the not getting those people who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► paying to skip their ads and so you like your advertising to fewer people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► then some people are pissed because they feel like they have to pay for it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► should papers they can skip the ads that some people are skipping ads and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3263">TS</a>]
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00:54:29 ◼ ► supported by ads or its you pay for it and you know they give you like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► magazine top model wears no ads you just pay money like those are such so clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► and understandable you don't understand fusion hybrid solutions like especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► hybrid solutions that but you impose on people that they haven't chosen to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► just exactly and John and it wasn't one last hypocritical episodes were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► talked about how advertisers almost always outbid the listeners or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3291">TS</a>]
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00:55:01 ◼ ► make more if you add them through direct payments but anyway there I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► it's the platform or apps responsibility to let podcasts to to monetize podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3306">TS</a>]
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00:55:15 ◼ ► and different priorities and I i think I should just leave it up to the show's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► and their producers how they want to monetize and where they want to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► also for a practical point of view what didn't instant cast have flattered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► integration for a while and it cost tons of problems with a preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► like anytime you collect money in a nap either not through Apple or if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► collecting money to distribute and some other weird way you know went up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► app you're running a very big risk of being rejected for any update you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► make or being kicked out of the store when you're already in it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► that's right tiptoeing along the line of what Apple will allow within a purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► rules and it is just ok thank you underscore David Smith it is it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3355">TS</a>]
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00:56:05 ◼ ► on that is not wise so not only do I think it wouldn't really get past Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► very reliably but I also don't think it's a very good idea for one particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► podcast app or even any group of them to try to create and enforce a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► universal podcast monetization model where every shows gonna do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► different and even like even the language around collecting the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► like I've I talked forever ago on building analyzed about flatter and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► joy I think in a couple of things like that where I was saying I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► that I don't like the idea of having like a tip jar on my site you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► this to socially that's kind of a weird thing to me and I would want to very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► carefully control any language or implication or pressure around asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► people to give me money for something and everyone's gonna have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► opinions on what that is for them and what what do what they want to present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► to people what they want to ask people to give to do and in what context with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► what language so that there isn't one solution that's going to please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3432">TS</a>]
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00:57:20 ◼ ► we've got a lot of feedback on and I don't know if there's really anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► you can do have to say about this but a lot of people seem to take offense at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► you saying that the Now Playing screen is the only thing that matters do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► have anything that you care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► and maybe not I don't know I mean I don't I can see both sides of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► so I don't know I don't have any particularly strong opinions about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► but I don't know if you had anything to say yeah I mean I don't take too long in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► this cause I don't know big too boring but the last episode I i I threw off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► comment that I was focusing a lot of my design effort on the Now Playing screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and at the rest of the app could just be like a book a table using it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► matter that much because you know you spend the most time navigating now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► playing screen and whatever whatever exactly I said there we had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► emails from people saying that's wrong as soon as I start playing a show I turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► the screen off the phone in my pocket and that's it so I'm interacting more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► with the rest of the app so what are what I was getting at whether I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► or not who knows if I messed up oh well that's the reality of talking for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► unrehearsed preparation what I what I mean is he now plays for his very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► frequent interaction with your skipping a section or using the scrubber or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► playing and pausing casino you to listen to something somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► very freaky interaction some of that you can do it the remote but the clicker in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► some cases some of it you cancel your doing directly so that screams to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► like everything else about the app it matters a lot less how it's designed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► because of how you desire you're probably going through some kind of list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► or collection of shows that each within it has a list of episodes or email you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► have playlist that have that have a list of episodes of them them whenever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► cases those are pretty straight forward designs like yeah you can you can tweak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► in here and there you can add to flourish here in there that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► there's there's a lot of little decisions you can make differently but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► structurally navigation only the rest of the app is not that hard to design it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► just isn't it's you know if you want to go that route with with your podcast app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► feel free but the fact is it doesn't matter how I present a list of episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► in the grand scheme of things I'll try to do as I can but it's not I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► losing sleep over that the Now Playing screen there's more variability although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► you wouldn't know it by looking at the apps out there right now but the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► how that can be designed and I think it matters more because maybe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► interacting with it for a split second and putting it back in your pocket but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► what if you're jogging or what if you're in a car and you can't really look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► safely there a situation like this where it matters how it's designed it matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► how it's laid out it matters what's on there and what's not to a level that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► think is more nuanced and more important and hearts design for than a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► episodes that's what I meant I think I understood what you meant and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► would have said to my interpretation of what it was that that's where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► concentrating your development effort for the 1.0 because you have to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► something but the one kernel of truth I think was in all the feedback from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► perspective is when I think of podcast absolutely no don't use an iPod shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► that the problem that I would like solved by them that just not solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► adequately by most the ones I use is part of the particular way that idea was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► deciding what I'm going to listen to like when I do it manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► it's terrible process of using iTunes iTunes 11 has gotten even worse about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► this is hunting around for the stupid things dragging them onto my iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► shuffle you know if I'm like a good hunt around for all them and then drag the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► mall once but unlike after doing two or three trips then I go over the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► shuffle and all those things are down at the bottom and then I manually drag them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► up into the order they want and rearrange them and then wait for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► sinking right because I have no idea what I want to like okay well today I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► going to do this and then I wasn't that when it comes out and then I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► be engine catch up with this podcast and and when I go on this car trip on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► these things are so that whole idea of like managing what I'm going to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► to next is the thing that i think is not solved by the current crop land by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► current couple I I was broadcast applications and so even though I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► would be spending most of my time in the now playing screen features that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► important to me are the ones that let me sort of setup my Q no Netflix queue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► whatever like here's what I'm gonna listen to next make you assist random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► arbitrariness not like one podcast a higher priority than the other or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► there's no automated way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► manually pick what what I want to listen to my daughter and that's that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► if I had to pick another part of the UI for your story on that would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► second one because most of the time will be on even now playing screen or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► controls on this leads to an arrest ever but to get to that screen at all I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► to sort of like you setup makes sense like this i think is that I don't I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► assuming you're not telling us every single feature that you can have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► application cause why would you know that's something for people to keep in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► mind as they don't realize that you're not going to reveal everything up each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► of those Apple however that you're playing in the future cuz I just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► what you do when you're making an application is why would you give your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► competitors the head start and never mind the teachers that are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► in version 1.1 and 2.0 and so on and so forth so I will keep that in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► oh yeah I mean that's going to like everything I'm talking about is 1.0 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► as soon as I really sit there is hopefully going to be a lot of users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► those lot of users are going to give me feedback and are going to use it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► with it and expect and are going and I'm gonna see how it works with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► full scale and how the server stuff works and how the have a structure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► the app works however usually people are going to go to report problems or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► suggest improvements that I haven't bought and so all this planning and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► all this thinking about the design of making the decisions that's hot as for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► 1.0 and it could all change like a month after release it I think about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► September 1.0 now compared to you know the final version I don't even want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► think about it so long way to go so it's a marathon not a sprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► some people have nostalgia and and positive memories and they look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► fondly on the stuff they made in the past I am NOT one of those people back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► on stuff I made like three years ago and was like oh I embarrassed like I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► even want to think about it I don't want to look at it I i'm just deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► embarrassed by it which is probably unhealthy but he's moving forward at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► good yeah I think so cool thanks to sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► Squarespace and audible and we'll see you next week after our singleton drip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► indeed now the show is over they didn't even mean to begin it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► cuz it was accidental and you can be there that's Casey list and a team Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3870">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► least we've ever gotten through a little notes documents back at ya now 10 follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► up and put in the agency SHIELD item like right before the show and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► when we did this is the first time I've actually got the whole show without even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► looking at the document that it is exactly two and three cases as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► not compromise with negotiate with terrorists here just because we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► majority two out of three people use document the document is official added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► ok so did you see that proposed put out a think that's axonal neutral beam or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► talk about religious arguments that yes I realize they're actually controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► there there is a chance that we both we all three of us here that's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► repaired now it's because it's the IMM er i know i know i understand anyway but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► like the nickname for the cars beemer that's well that's a religious debate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► that the motorcycles are one are bitter or Beamer and the car is or being there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► and I think the cars access must be Bimmer if you sell it and this is why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► devoid saying either of them i don't i don't want to have to deal with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdShlalQ/3999">TS</a>]