The Accidental Tech Podcast

36: A Weird One


  when a Skype call begins I'm again saying hello because that makes like a [TS]

  telephone you know every we're bringing all d like the traditions of the crappy [TS]

  previous generation communication system to the new one of the founders I love [TS]

  with Skype it should be like I am you don't begin every I am conversation with [TS]

  people that you know it's like a greeting or something or hello welfare [TS]

  and you start and I am conversation with whitey question mark for us now for you [TS]

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  didn't know that anybody we did that to me I would be like what are you doing [TS]

  it's terrible it's like people saying hello but it's worth I here's worst NYT [TS]

  your name with a question mark that is the worst way to begin and I am covers [TS]

  now disagree has to be white no question mark is the worst trust me I've had them [TS]

  all done to make up for white even if I would see because it's been up against a [TS]

  white is like yes it's terrible but it's better than Casey like what what is the [TS]

  gas you know who your I am mukasey I i mean is it so much the same as you there [TS]

  but the case it's like case is this Casey now it's Casey I'm expecting [TS]

  something from you and i cant believe im not getting it we want to talk about the [TS]

  vendor doing wanna just dive straight into the review because I'm thinking [TS]

  let's just say screw the event let's talk about their way home on there's a [TS]

  lot in the event though I i think we should do this more timely review [TS]

  reviews not going anywhere in the review is part of the event because one of the [TS]

  things that talk about an event is never explained so like I think we should do [TS]

  the event and I say this even though I've only seen half an infant but like I [TS]

  marlys note that I think we can fit both we we we have a long show let let's just [TS]

  be honest this is gonna be a long show let's talk about the review you wanna [TS]

  cue the piano background music [TS]

  we were starting with the event we just agreed to buy sorry I said review I mean [TS]

  to them I'm tired to go going on you came here having a cup of coffee or [TS]

  whiskey or does he have a John for god sakes all I have is water maybe that's [TS]

  the problem maybe you need a straight shooter alright let me try this all over [TS]

  again so why don't we talk about the event and now market you can cue the [TS]

  silly piano music so what what did you think John of the parts of you saw but [TS]

  either one of you are both of you see the whole of it yes we actually live [TS]

  streaming out live we we did a no spoilers policy between ourselves at the [TS]

  track that day and yesterday it was right and we we didn't check Twitter [TS]

  anything I don't even check my email I i cant find my phone vibrate in my pocket [TS]

  ones I didn't even check the identification I just didn't care [TS]

  like just can't be anything important and in the car on the way back we doubt [TS]

  we'd already prescribed to the keynote podcast on our phones so that we [TS]

  wouldn't have to go Apple's website or find it find the seed we downloaded the [TS]

  the flight the recording of it from the keynote read on the way back on the [TS]

  drive back to work on this five hour drive downloaded the video of it and [TS]

  watched it and streamed over the car speakers so yes so I didn't see the [TS]

  first two thirds the video at that point is I happen to be driving at the time [TS]

  and then underscore didn't see the iPad portion of the video because he was [TS]

  driving afterwards but I did rewatch the whole thing this evening and finished [TS]

  your entire review and read the blog post about the review so I did a lot of [TS]

  prep for the podcast it's not supposed to have any prep [TS]

  clarify for listeners by the way when they said they were at the track they [TS]

  weren't betting on horses in case in case anyone suspected that that was the [TS]

  most likely explanation of a phrase from me and Casey you know the idle rich to [TS]

  track the ponies yes so we all did see it in some capacity alright so I'm doing [TS]

  his part of the reason I missed most of it is because it is that it was [TS]

  available today I had to stop watching stop listening and start doing [TS]

  the things I knew I need to do right now really quickly to her out were you at [TS]

  home or at work when this was going on I was a look and see new enough to plan [TS]

  for the inevitable possibility that you might have a busy afternoon now so we r [TS]

  you like it was one of those things where you're like they may or may not [TS]

  work this afternoon or did you just say like two weeks there week ago I guess [TS]

  Tuesday afternoon nominee that off because stuff's gonna go crazy well I [TS]

  meant to just be a late lunch because like ours actually held the review they [TS]

  held it until the event was over exactly what Apple does in terms of like you [TS]

  know things will go on sale to the event is over store doesn't come back up [TS]

  whatever so that the review was ready to go within minutes of everything was [TS]

  ready to go within minutes of them announcing the price and that it was [TS]

  available today and then it was just a matter of holding it until the event is [TS]

  over and then it goes up so that's really all talk of my day at that point [TS]

  and then after work it was just a deluge of emails tweets and everything else and [TS]

  you know so it was it was a full day but the actual publishing like I was powered [TS]

  by a parent I had everything ready to go for everything that was announced that [TS]

  was not surprised by anything everything worked as well as could be expected [TS]

  maybe a shower to her now we can go through the blow by blow of all the [TS]

  different moving parts and how it went there this year than last year but I [TS]

  think that's that's more of a meta topic now I don't know if you wanna get into [TS]

  this at this moment but what did you have any of the pricing options already [TS]

  in the review or did you just have a big blank space I have something ready to [TS]

  publish which said the prices and no I mean that's what I pushed up the [TS]

  iBookstore with with the diversion there was ready to go at any moment you can [TS]

  say yes I can publish his right now I just basically did have information [TS]

  about the price didn't even didn't assert that any price was depressed just [TS]

  don't know what it is but I think it's going to be this bottle block and like [TS]

  that version had a graph of the price and instead of the graph going down 204 [TS]

  10.9 there was a light gray line going down to zero with a question mark on the [TS]

  graphs to 120 I guess but the text said we don't know [TS]

  and so I had the free version already go free pace pace pace pace based on you [TS]

  know upload and there there weren't so I did a very good job of steering us to [TS]

  review we didn't want to talk about so about the event I think it was it was [TS]

  interesting that was just me or did all the speakers seem a little bit sloppier [TS]

  than usual I completely agree why people saying that and I'm only up to this [TS]

  point whose throat was a little crazy but I'm up to that point they seemed [TS]

  fine like not I don't think they're author game as much as everyone said I [TS]

  think it's not that they were off because they are we stumble over stuff [TS]

  it was that the the atmosphere in the room was hard to tell me you're not [TS]

  there so we really talk to someone who was actually there but the atmosphere in [TS]

  the room seemed like there wasn't any like electricity in terms of excitement [TS]

  about anything and the presenters weren't able to muster enthusiasm about [TS]

  the announcements and the audience wasn't feeling it back to them so just [TS]

  kind of like going through the motions of announcing things quickly through [TS]

  slides or whatever but it didn't it wasn't I don't blame the people who [TS]

  presented its just I mean maybe there was not like for example imagine if the [TS]

  Mac Pro had not been outside WWC it would have been a very different vibe in [TS]

  that room with the exact same announcements you know I mean just [TS]

  because I care nothing there was a surprise really tiny blonde right [TS]

  yeah pretty much everything if if everyone took their best guess as to [TS]

  what was going to be announced that was exactly what was announced and not and [TS]

  really nothing more than that was like alright everyone's best guesses you know [TS]

  what do you think it is and then it was just that it really hurts you when you [TS]

  have parts of the event that ever that you've told people that before you told [TS]

  people at Mavericks were gonna go through it again you've told you about [TS]

  this Mac Pro which is also where to go through it again and even stuff like the [TS]

  new MacBook Pros well we are and how long it has been a computer so the [TS]

  Haswell excitement of well look at this battery life is already there like there [TS]

  was so little that it was new and and those ones are you going over stuff that [TS]

  everybody already knows that you yourself told them previously that just [TS]

  kills the energy I think of the presentation but so far and watching I [TS]

  don't think it was bad and just kind of like like the products they're [TS]

  announcing i'm looking at the price but this is a good price [TS]

  and now looking at the video this video the Mac Pros be made this is a cool [TS]

  video like all thumbs up all around but having known so much before and so much [TS]

  of having been announced beforehand [TS]

  really undercuts the excitement yeah it was weird to that like you know they [TS]

  spent so much time on the iOS 7 you know [TS]

  video about their design philosophy looks ok that's nice but we've seen that [TS]

  like twice or three times already used in the iPhone event also come back to [TS]

  the video it's a nice video it's good to be back how many times can use it would [TS]

  be like showing the i mean going where they kind of got her that they should [TS]

  think different a lot of that kind of works because it was more abstract and [TS]

  this is more concrete it seems more tied Iowa seven and got the words that you're [TS]

  reading everything that is just kind of like you can't I hope they don't show [TS]

  that again [TS]

  yeah I think they've driven into the ground but also a lot of the time was [TS]

  was videos and fairly boring demos it seemed like they did have a lot to [TS]

  announce but the pacing seemed a little bit slow to me and I know it's always a [TS]

  little bit slow is mainly for the press and you know it's Tim Cook talking but [TS]

  still like the pacing of the whole thing seemed especially slow this time and it [TS]

  seemed it seemed like they were less prepared maybe they had rehearsed less [TS]

  than usual and they were less comfortable again here at that part of [TS]

  it was kind of a lack of excitement because they weren't really announcing [TS]

  anything surprising lead radically new but part of it was also I think like it [TS]

  almost seemed like they were a little more uptight maybe because like when [TS]

  they would when they would stumble over what was obviously a scripted line that [TS]

  was made to sound unscripted rather than just rolling with the mistake they made [TS]

  they would like go back and Andrey say what they were supposed to say the first [TS]

  time they were just retry the film one night and I thought the same thing it [TS]

  was kind of awkward I felt very stiff to me and a lot like watching a little [TS]

  uptick you at this point although one thing that I noticed about you say went [TS]

  slow I thought a lot of the demos especially the software demos that I'd [TS]

  seen playing up to the point of GarageBand seemed [TS]

  rushed and in the way that because if you're used to the Steve Jobs era he [TS]

  would have done the same presentation but he would affect like either one [TS]

  application or like a couple of features of two applications and just spent what [TS]

  seems like way too long if you look at the Starbucks members they've done to [TS]

  get obsessed with like imagine he had picked like the slow motion feature [TS]

  movie or the drums or something he would do this in depth demos of some obscure [TS]

  feature they liked his fancy he would be there but the thing is if you look at [TS]

  the clock nike's going to sit there and play with the slow motion [TS]

  five minutes are you kidding me but it was he was so obviously so jazzed about [TS]

  this feature that he was showing it was almost like watching a kid was like [TS]

  really excited about that I gotta show you might check this thing out and that [TS]

  enthusiasm as corny as it might be like you could connect with it and he would [TS]

  go in depth about someone near future in this it seemed like we got these things [TS]

  look at this in this this and this is the one that tried to go in depth look [TS]

  you can use drummers in like this is not cool but when he says it's not cool [TS]

  Steve Jobs be like closing his eyes getting into and going you know like I [TS]

  like market funds on and it like he would really get into it and you may not [TS]

  be into it but you could say you were convinced this steve Jobs was really [TS]

  into like whatever was like look at the wood on these cases you know that that [TS]

  was missing because these people were just like go through the features show [TS]

  them one after the other maybe a little and evidence but none of them again the [TS]

  spark that Eq [TS]

  have been able to convince me that they are obsessively in love with any aspect [TS]

  of these programs yet I thought the I thought the Q demo was rough it was so [TS]

  it was something that was supposed to be cute and funny but was neither cutesy [TS]

  North funny like with his [TS]

  with his album cover whatever was a band poster right you know what the [TS]

  oftentimes awful do something that yeah it's lame but it's kind of adorable aim [TS]

  is this was just straight up lame in my in my opinion and I thought I thought it [TS]

  it was awkward I think he was trying too hard to be funny and I don't blame him [TS]

  for that but I don't know where Craig can be the nerd and generally speaking [TS]

  be funny with the exception of those line actually wrote it down we want to [TS]

  go door to door with a bag of Hearts whites that was early on when he was [TS]

  talking about how nerds will make everyone happy by writing code but [TS]

  generally speaking I think Craig does a very good job with the cutesy funny and [TS]

  kinda lame funny and I don't think that he does well with that at all I thought [TS]

  his demo was very rough you know I do so much with the material you have a mean [TS]

  like think about it WNBC like we were first time we're saying I was seven and [TS]

  there was a mixture of like shocked and discomfort because it was like we first [TS]

  seven up there with this crazy icons and like the video was called in the shows [TS]

  the screens we've never seen before me shows those icons and no one knows what [TS]

  to think the whole room was going up to the Mac Pro same type of thing like what [TS]

  the hell is this it's a circle micheaux an accident at Pro like being knocked up [TS]

  being knocked coming in from the side in unexpected directions being knocked off [TS]

  kilter even when it's in a bad way with people like oh god what the hell's up [TS]

  with his Iowa 7 thing like that makes for a memorable interesting experience [TS]

  and they didn't have any of that here so all you're left with is i mean like say [TS]

  you got a really good shuck and jive guy to do more polished delivery on the same [TS]

  products I don't think it would have come off any better understanding I [TS]

  think the things they announced their good just that none of them are here in [TS]

  like a couple of the pass announcement on whether the things they announced but [TS]

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  real-time follow-up I'm told The the chat that it wasn't bag of hearts which [TS]

  is what I could swear I heard on two different occasions but bag of parts [TS]

  which doesn't really make the joke any better to me but apparently I completely [TS]

  missed heard that and also the chatroom says it is issue which is no one victory [TS]

  from me in a long line of defeat when it comes to me so I'm going to hold on to [TS]

  that for a while anyway you were going to start walking through what they [TS]

  talked about yes I've written about everything will see what what's actually [TS]

  going to get to the do want to save a lot of time for John biggest thing so [TS]

  the retina MacBook Pro update was the first thing they did right and what's [TS]

  it's not that interesting what's very interesting about it what's kind of [TS]

  interesting about it is the price drops all around the the red-nosed also [TS]

  apprised of I think $200 for the enterprises which is really great I mean [TS]

  I don't think have a double check today update the non pros at all yet or [TS]

  probably not right yet looks like they they still offered just the 13 to 15 is [TS]

  gone they offer just the 13 inch non-revenue won for only $100 less and [TS]

  will say it's using an old CPU so yeah [TS]

  habits rub it on its way out or they're gonna keep her from recycled anyway so [TS]

  200 bucks less in all the right noises really great because this is really [TS]

  showing like they're serious about the red-nosed replacing the other ones are [TS]

  not gonna be around for much time I i wonder if they even cut their margins at [TS]

  all it could be that their margins have gotten large on those and they had to [TS]

  head room to cut the price without hurting their margins because like they [TS]

  have been playing parts of this thing you know as these are expensive [TS]

  everything but like they're smaller and simpler than hard drives and they [TS]

  probably get good deals and flash at this point and you know just pulling out [TS]

  the optical drive is one part you don't pay for it all in all the stuff and [TS]

  getting rid of buses that were there previously the perfect used to be [TS]

  connected to those buses various there dangling the carrot of those like what's [TS]

  inside these things is getting smaller and more stop movin on the CPU package [TS]

  but as well and everything I wonder if there [TS]

  at the margins are you know if these price drops to just maintain that the [TS]

  margins of like two generations ago and I just dunno figured well these are we [TS]

  can get we can sell more of these if we just maintain our margins like the best [TS]

  example to get to later is like comparing contrast with the iPad 2 which [TS]

  they did not do that but yeah but the price drops I mean that's the way it's [TS]

  supposed to work with really good though that means more people getting into [TS]

  retina screens and that also means that the screens of these are exactly the [TS]

  same as they were already but I think this means that there that Retina screen [TS]

  are getting cheaper and that's really good for the rest of the line getting [TS]

  ready to scream that you'll also talked about about 3 a.m. though standard on a [TS]

  couple of these models good yeah that's a that's a little lease specially with [TS]

  integrated graphics despite the Mavericks changes integrated graphics [TS]

  yeah there's that was also the decompressor amateur actually should ask [TS]

  you about that works in practice I haven't arrived yet sorry but I'm going [TS]

  to get some her don't tell anybody I do like they finally have a no discrete GPU [TS]

  option on the 15 like we talked about in the past what's interesting though is [TS]

  that it doesn't appear to make any price difference if you actually can figure [TS]

  that they have to party like a low-end and high-end line to start with and you [TS]

  can configure the low and all the options of the high-end has its up to [TS]

  you and if you if you can figure it to match on the other specs it's the exact [TS]

  same price regardless of whether has the discrete GPU or not which i think is [TS]

  kind of funny 13 doesn't get this created also if you look at the chart [TS]

  it's like [TS]

  integrated integrated into an integrated only at the very right hand side of the [TS]

  Tech Specs by the way you can get a discrete so the way it's presented is [TS]

  kind of like the MacBook Pro only uses integrated graphics except if you get [TS]

  the super duper high and you can opt for the apparently no cost [TS]

  discreet right exactly end but a little 13 never had it but that's a very good [TS]

  point about like this there's no reason they couldn't also have a high-end 1304 [TS]

  people want that form factor witness did the red mini which is kind of like the [TS]

  house [TS]

  high-end different form factor and iPads like that various times they've done [TS]

  that where each line can you can crank up to the highest level is not to write [TS]

  it is only you know it's kind of like it way towards the end of life with the 17 [TS]

  was the only one that got the super duper stuff like they were just showed [TS]

  the most powerful things into the 17 like well you want the most powerful [TS]

  thing gotta get this big boat so moving on what do you think about the but I [TS]

  believe was next with at least the next most important thing is what do you [TS]

  think about the iPad air will all done a lot of stuff here so what about the Mac [TS]

  Pro is there anything interesting you wanted to add to that it's interesting [TS]

  that when we were walking out of the keynote what do you think the price of [TS]

  MacBook Mac Pro and Marco and I both said 299 and then we changed our minds [TS]

  up and down over Mary's months or whatever but it turns out the first [TS]

  light out with the price next thing was 299 so kudos to first two are our [TS]

  instincts there and so I'm the pricing news I think what we expected I I think [TS]

  they think they could have gone lower they really wanted to but didn't want to [TS]

  and i'm glad that there's a two in front of the number even if no one's ever [TS]

  gonna buy that particular model I just hope I had to build a lot of flexibility [TS]

  to mix and match to a greater degree because they showed little can configs [TS]

  and it's like ok well can I get like the second fastest low number of core CPU [TS]

  but with the big honkin GPU but with the you know the the medium size SSD or [TS]

  whatever the answer to all those as will I don't know but the SST but the answer [TS]

  to the CPU and GPU from their tech specs page that you can mix and match any [TS]

  combination of those yeah that's what I'm assuming and I was wondering again [TS]

  what is going to cost upgraded the standard 256 gig SSD to the top end [TS]

  terabyte one and dreading what it might be in if you look though then the new [TS]

  MacBook Pro the right pro has a one terabyte nasty option for either 500 or [TS]

  800 depending on whether the high end of low and that's what rich single point [TS]

  out to me that I was like I know what the price is going to be as it had you [TS]

  know and he showed me the choices to upgrade from 256 25 12 or one terabyte [TS]

  for both the I'm [TS]

  and the MacBook Pro and the prices rose eight hundred dollars $100 1 terabyte [TS]

  but it is 500 on the high end up across so I'm guessing it could be either to be [TS]

  five hundred or a hundred other way fight it hurts a little bit pushy 500 [TS]

  for a one terabyte as he is pretty good but it's not that they would do this or [TS]

  he's not 504 one terabyte SSDs 500 for an additional 768 it's not a mean like [TS]

  they always do that that's true but but from Apple first party fully supported [TS]

  an integrated into this crazy Kaiser you can't put your own in its pretty good [TS]

  well now stop stop right there what did you just say marca this crazy case you [TS]

  can't put your own right I don't think that's true the Rams user serviceable [TS]

  they said in the video is that what it is they were saying that the memories [TS]

  you need to use a service call to the question is where you gonna find [TS]

  whatever weird PCI form factor connector thing he goes in there like probably [TS]

  other World Computing will sell them in a year or so but it's not to bargain [TS]

  write it in the SSDs are in a slot right that's exactly what I was driving the [TS]

  other question is like what's because I can remember when they came out it took [TS]

  it took a WC like six months or something to be able to to to find [TS]

  something that makes me think of it that so it might be awhile they do anything [TS]

  that would they give you like a little chippy aluminum external case you get [TS]

  the one you take out so you don't have to throw it in the garbage you can stick [TS]

  in this case and have a tiny little bus-powered SSD third-party opportunity [TS]

  since they didn't announce Retina Display is maybe I will take that extra [TS]

  money and throw it into micro it's nice that they went standard 12 gigs on the [TS]

  RAM the Mac Pro for so far they were Mac Pro has until this point had three good [TS]

  standard which is embarrassing [TS]

  well the 12 gigs in like sixteen is that the nice round number we all wanted and [TS]

  they give you twelve just to make you feel inferior like a legacy of the great [TS]

  what's the configuration to get 12 gigs in the dams for us maybe but there's [TS]

  four slots and its quad channel I i've i've got a thing with triple channel [TS]

  memory on my desk and it's got four DIMM slots on a $10 without bond [TS]

  there I don't know I don't know it's kind of weird and we don't know RAM [TS]

  pricing either and we also we don't know CPU person that obviously have a lot to [TS]

  say but CPUs probably more than anybody cares so I'm not gonna do it all here [TS]

  I'm going to blog post but the the short version is the base CPU the fork or 3.7 [TS]

  that is any 516 20 it's a $300 CPU it is not a high-end CPU it does not terrible [TS]

  very easily and very far it it's probably a pretty crappy CPU its 370 do [TS]

  think it's gonna turbo to I mean it's hard to keep pressing while I looked up [TS]

  it turbos to 3.9 only with only one core activate it he read intel's we r turbo [TS]

  numbers where it's like number / numbers of numbers it's it's 30 than a too so [TS]

  it's like it does not it hard the terms at all but if you look at most of the [TS]

  CPU option so I looked up you know you can figure out by elimination exactly [TS]

  with models these are so you can look at other stats and so it's basically the [TS]

  Holy 516 X limits the 16 twenty-fifty eighty and then the 2697 as that the [TS]

  high on the 12 core and these all turbo to roughly the same 3.9 gigahertz and if [TS]

  you look at like how they'd had a ramp up they all have pretty much like the [TS]

  same range like it's because they all have the same TDP they didn't go high [TS]

  enough to have the W chips like for a while but last you see on families have [TS]

  had these special models ending in w4 workstations and they've used more power [TS]

  and run faster and like the current 2010 macro that I have to 3.33 six core is [TS]

  one of those chips they can't use those I guess they can't call the extra heat [TS]

  so they're not using them that would have been nice I wish they were and DTV [TS]

  12 core high-end won the Department telecast $2,600 so I'm guessing that can [TS]

  be like a $5,000 option on the Mac Pro and what's funny is that it determines [TS]

  it all so that's not likely to be a very fast ship for almost anything except [TS]

  extremely paralyzes tasks the best option is probably gonna be the eight [TS]

  core [TS]

  but what's what's sad is that the Accord they picked the 516 ATV to its a $1,700 [TS]

  chip that might be like you know 2500 $3,000 option for $300 more from Intel [TS]

  there's a better one that uses the same power at the 26 and 27 use the same [TS]

  power same heat higher speed all around and I don't know why they're offering [TS]

  that I'm kinda sad about that but otherwise overall these are reasonable [TS]

  options [TS]

  same cache sizes on us to yeah exactly the same I believe 25 mins ago I might [TS]

  go for the GOP CPU and trade that they can try their money for SSD cause I [TS]

  don't have much that CPU bound and I can I can put more money into the GPU with [TS]

  that ends up being better for gaming I think you know I game that CPU about on [TS]

  the quote-unquote low-end [TS]

  like it's probably gonna be fun like people are people running you know I [TS]

  thought I seventy most of the gaming world so I think there's a on even the [TS]

  crappy Xeon while the Sun is is there a fork or something that starts at 39 and [TS]

  turbos faster and i imagining I don't think so I don't have the full charge [TS]

  for me but i dont think so I'm pretty sure that the highest the highest speed [TS]

  is up 3.7 that is the base appeal but it really it's like you're stuck at 317 [TS]

  like you don't get there is the six core in the middle scored only until prices [TS]

  only at just under 600 so Apple might offer that for an extra 10 thousand and [TS]

  that's that is gonna be substantially faster but not not buy a massive like [TS]

  future prices actually gave it was it was you know $3,000 for the for the four [TS]

  core and $4,000 for the six core right oh I forgot they did tell us that in the [TS]

  CPU 600 bucks rather sad CPU is a $300 upgrade their charging a thousand for it [TS]

  so that's all it also has a higher on GPUs in that configuration makes it [TS]

  amazing that you could probably if they let us mix and match you know you can [TS]

  make a mission that's the way we wanted to me yes so we'll have to see when the [TS]

  configurator goes up what you know how these prices actually are actually [TS]

  thinking though so as you mentioned a second ago they didn't launch retina [TS]

  displays [TS]

  external desktop size retina displays and actually thinking I might skip this [TS]

  generation because there's a new Xeon generation on Intel's roadmap coming out [TS]

  in one year it's the Haswell EP liner is that's that's scheduled to come out in [TS]

  in third quarter of 2014 and it's not likely to be a massive approves likely [TS]

  be another eight ten percent maybe a performance that same process size and [TS]

  everything so it's not going to be a huge huge jump but they're probably [TS]

  gonna get the Mac Pros in a year or roughly a year and so maybe I might wait [TS]

  for that one maybe they'll have right now as then maybe people will have [TS]

  worked out the version 1 budget as we are new architecture you know who knows [TS]

  I can't wait for waiting so long already I gotta get this I mean it's like when [TS]

  the dual 2 gigahertz chief Power Mac g5 came out like like a front-side bus of [TS]

  533 makers at that point I was like hell yes I'm getting this you know so I just [TS]

  can't wait anymore and so I mean what I have to wait worries monitors I'll be [TS]

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  an exceptional website I do wanna do the iPad stuff then we'll move your way back [TS]

  in the Mavericks [TS]

  I'm so much to say about the iPad I think the iPad air is interesting it's a [TS]

  terrible name it is it is a horrible named I mean I think we can all agree on [TS]

  that but it it's interesting that they're they're pushing really hard to [TS]

  get everyone talking about the new full sized iPad again like that is the new [TS]

  products for this fall the the retina many is great and it probably gonna do [TS]

  when we all buy but what Apple wants us to think about obviously from this [TS]

  presentation Apple wants us to think about the big one again and it's [TS]

  probably no scheduled it probably is because it has WAY bigger margin that's [TS]

  a much higher price product that has most of the same hardware the small one [TS]

  now so it you know I think you can look at that you can say this is obviously [TS]

  just I'm trying to you know boost boost the attention better more profitable [TS]

  product but I saw some of the hands on reports from some of the reporters who [TS]

  were there at the event [TS]

  say that it really is like surprisingly small the the the low weight is really [TS]

  nice and a lot of them say it's like you know it's actually in a very competitive [TS]

  with the many in and they might even prefer it and that's really interesting [TS]

  that Apple might have actually succeeded [TS]

  in getting everyone to buy the big one again probably not I'm guessing the many [TS]

  will still remain the most popular one but I think it's possible I still think [TS]

  the mini was popular because it was cheap first and small second yeah it's [TS]

  very possible and so on that note the many was updated there's now a written [TS]

  in many at $400 and the old many sticks around for 30 bucks less than $300 and I [TS]

  think its last time but close enough anyway what I like a lot about the [TS]

  retina many years it has the a seven so the retina many and the iPad airboat had [TS]

  the exact same CPU a seventh and debates that have all the same internal hardware [TS]

  except the the iPad air has the bigger screen so you're you're literally just I [TS]

  think you're isn't that right he was paying an extra $100 just for the big [TS]

  screen that right and the bigger battery goes that's behind it right that's true [TS]

  so do we know retina many battery life numbers between 0 railroad number thanks [TS]

  I'm curious to see you know when when the full size 11 when they had to put a [TS]

  massive battery and it produced a lot more heat I'm curious to know if the [TS]

  retina iPad Mini rather we'll have that same problem so here's one unambiguously [TS]

  as far as I'm concerned bad thing about the iPad Aaron probably only to only one [TS]

  of two bad things about that better [TS]

  wanna talk about last show that the freeman center to try that to see how [TS]

  that works out of practice but to get lost the beautiful original Smart Cover [TS]

  with the middle him instead it's got that flabby twisty iPad Mini Smart Cover [TS]

  but then so does not align and drives me insane [TS]

  yeah but the medellin scratch the laptop next to it in the bag don't just leave [TS]

  your things rattling around your bag or do you do when you put your iPhone iPod [TS]

  with your keys know about you but you could put a Smart Cover iPad next to the [TS]

  the flat side of a laptop in a skinny laptop [TS]

  that's why don't I would much rather have a hinge that works properly then [TS]

  that is padded so that it doesn't damage other items on their jostling around I [TS]

  do not like that it's upsetting to me because that smart cover is one of my [TS]

  favorite things about the iPad 3 that I used to just so just at work so nicely [TS]

  it so pleasing and practiced flap and shut and openness just other than the [TS]

  stupid thing Reese streaks delays in the screen because of anything but you know [TS]

  I do use the little Benny triangle thing when I propped up disappointing and [TS]

  their big the big case they put around that looking at the picture looks the [TS]

  same kind of the same design as existing big case in those big cases of terrible [TS]

  to have actually seen one of those obviously it's in the regular without [TS]

  that he would just the front but never seen the full-back case there sooner in [TS]

  the Apple Store never seen a real person but they're not sharp edges and they're [TS]

  not attractive they don't feel good in your hands [TS]

  one-member the iPad one case that was a disaster like everyone got it anyway [TS]

  straps flanges and seems it was very bad and the Sun don't know touch and [TS]

  anything even though they had that was really that's a decision you have to [TS]

  wonder why they did that obviously like I was thinking maybe they put up gaudy [TS]

  just in the big 12 make more people are by the big one but they didn't put in [TS]

  either when I see that they didn't even put it in the big one but not putting in [TS]

  too many make sense if you just trying to keep the price down like that [TS]

  especially since it you know how they say it like that but for the big one [TS]

  like 120 gigabyte model for crying out loud on the pics of events when it makes [TS]

  me think that they don't have enough of those little fingerprint sensors at this [TS]

  point that's what makes me think very possible that was his one and only [TS]

  product entire world that has that and they're going to sell a billion dollars [TS]

  and that product you still supply constraint of course none of us know why [TS]

  it's like a tree-like still i'm saying things like hey I was at the mall the [TS]

  Apple store in that a sign out front said no more iPhone prices today come [TS]

  back tomorrow but it's still happening now and so it's not like they are making [TS]

  them millions of them like they're not like they can make any of them but we [TS]

  have no idea which part is that making it so they can so that those scientists [TS]

  are going up at Apple stores weeks after lunch [TS]

  and had it could be a part that has never been in a product before it could [TS]

  be you know certainly not the screen which is more or less the same in the [TS]

  case just a bunch of aluminum and the a 71 that's already going to many of the [TS]

  iPad's so I'm thinking you know fingerprint sensor now are either of you [TS]

  going to get either the new iPads and if so which one after the [TS]

  I didn't watch the event on my wife to be there but she knew of the things that [TS]

  you came to me and said I want too many he wants the right number so I don't [TS]

  think she's getting one but that clearly that sales she just got a 50 fancy 64 [TS]

  gig on her so she can wait you know I would love to have the new iPad but [TS]

  again I will wait like that this is my strategy for buying things that she does [TS]

  not adhere to just wait for the product that you want like I went the first iPad [TS]

  I got was the iPad 3 because it was the first read that one is a new Renault [TS]

  ones were coming I was going to wait and I have been so happy with my iPad 3 in [TS]

  ways that it wouldn't have been with my wife got the iPad 2 and iPad you don't [TS]

  want to you know I'm waiting for right now I did and I've been very happy and [TS]

  so I would say wait like like marco was entertaining doing with the Mac Pro and [TS]

  it's not the product you want to buy just because their weight if you can [TS]

  possibly wait your thing with not getting the first iPad Mini I i went the [TS]

  opposite direction got the first iPad Mini and I think it ruin the iPad for me [TS]

  for a year because I ended up I i hated the iPad Mini screen but I loved its [TS]

  size and so it made the iPad 3 feel heavy and big an outdated but I hated [TS]

  using it as the screen sucked so I just I've barely use an iPad at all of last [TS]

  year I had to use it more for Verizon tethering than any other purpose and its [TS]

  and so now with looking at these I'm wondering do I get the retina many or [TS]

  even the iPad air because I actually kind of like playing games on the big [TS]

  screen I just don't like carrying that giant thing at three was but I'm gonna [TS]

  have to go to a store in like feeling both in person before I decide because [TS]

  like maybe maybe I just don't have a place for an iPad in my life right now I [TS]

  should get any of them [TS]

  but maybe I should get the retina many that combines everything of everything [TS]

  that I like from both sides I kept hearing that story when the mini first [TS]

  came out of all my nerdy friends oh no I totally I just used to mean that [TS]

  everything else is crap or whatever and then my wife got a million like as I can [TS]

  happen to me and I could use her money and be like I can use the bigger but I [TS]

  very quickly found out I like the larger iPad I use it when I would never used to [TS]

  sit down and read things on my computer I always go interests lay down on the [TS]

  couch or bed or something and every time I like my iPad is my preferred device [TS]

  her really long things now my red and my big not too small on you know and I [TS]

  don't know why I love the big one so much I mean I know it's not like I'm [TS]

  doing anything with that big screen I just because it's bigger looks pretty [TS]

  sharply this more stoppin it's not some tiny little thing that I'm pinching it's [TS]

  more like sitting with like a magazine on your lap then sitting with a big deck [TS]

  of playing cards in your life that's why I think maybe the air might might do [TS]

  better than we expect a mean it it really does it still has the exact same [TS]

  size screen as the as the former Big iPad but with a substantially lighter [TS]

  case and and substantially smaller so I'm really curious to see how that [TS]

  doesn't practice yet to answer my own question so I currently have a iPad 3 [TS]

  that is wifi only that we bought and then work gave me a while back and let [TS]

  me long-term let me awhile back and iPad Mini also wi-fi only and I don't think [TS]

  I'm going to get any new ones [TS]

  asked me to remind me of this in like a month if I were to get one [TS]

  I think I would I think I would get a iPad Mini I would get one that sells he [TS]

  and given the news today that t-mobile had that they have really really really [TS]

  competitive pricing on LTE service for iPads I would really consider getting in [TS]

  t-mobile 1 I'm not sure that I would but I really really think about it [TS]

  but again I do anything about one thing that kind of ruined for me a little bit [TS]

  is that I I got that awesome Logitech Keyboard Case for iPad 3 and I are using [TS]

  a couple of plane rides and it's really an iPad propped up on a keyboard case is [TS]

  a really fantastic planetree table computing device it's even better than [TS]

  the 11 inch MacBook Air which is normally the king of that that category [TS]

  it's really really good and the battery life is insane you can watch videos you [TS]

  can type on Twitter and something that has wifi so that was a lot of fun and I [TS]

  got too many and of course the keyboard cases and fit if I get the air the humor [TS]

  he still won't fit but I think looking at future keep her kisses I think having [TS]

  the extra length of the iPad air you know heightened portrait like having [TS]

  that dimension still be much bigger than the many would probably make for a much [TS]

  more usable keyboard case if your keyboard case kind of person the air is [TS]

  probably gonna be the better pick anything else from the events before we [TS]

  meander way to Mavericks iPad 2 law why is that what the what must the margins [TS]

  beyond that I like it I guess the LCD still kind of cost a little bit of money [TS]

  but I like it must be like 70 percent margin is just crazy to me and and the [TS]

  thing is they might like they must know that they can get away with that you [TS]

  know it must be selling and I must those people must want something big and they [TS]

  want something cheap and there it's just a sunbed computer you know my daughter [TS]

  my son play with their iPad 2 in the play games on it do things or whatever [TS]

  but I would never buy one for $400 for people out there you know your nerd you [TS]

  listen to a podcast help your family not get the iPad 2 I know I know didn't work [TS]

  out for us market couldn't stop them from getting a free iPad iPhone 4 [TS]

  sometimes sometimes you can't do but just tell people like I give them the [TS]

  extra $100 to get like one of the good I just donated them just cuz [TS]

  to a five billion what's funny is that it's the exact same hardware [TS]

  as the original iPad Mini which is now still for sale for 30 bucks less so the [TS]

  original iPad Mini is all the exact same hardware same screen resolution just [TS]

  smaller dimensions from smaller physical screen and it all the same stuff for [TS]

  $100 less and so the the iPad for iPad 2 rather god's think that came out in [TS]

  early 2011 that is that is almost three years old and they're not only is this [TS]

  still selling it knew that if I don't understand that I don't just doesn't [TS]

  like all the theories i've heard which i think is plausible is that schools are [TS]

  buying a ton of them and anybody who still needs a doc portly if they made [TS]

  like somebody the chatroom said a few minutes ago sorry I forgot who that like [TS]

  a lot of people have like custom hardware that uses the dock port they [TS]

  that integrate with iPad for some part of the business so that kinda makes [TS]

  sense [TS]

  schools don't pay $3.99 they get the education price which is lower right [TS]

  will but think about it also if they made lots of the drug prison hundred [TS]

  bucks then it would be the exact same price as the iPad Mini sort of two [TS]

  things the exact same hardware except ones bigger [TS]

  exact same price that would be kind of 50 bucks dropped 700 bucks off Italy [TS]

  could this point but come on I think it's like figuring I was developed like [TS]

  this it does it feel good to keep so I guess together deal with the many anyway [TS]

  but it's just a thing like there's two there's to divide like even if they drop [TS]

  the iPad 2 and we as developers would still have to support the A five forever [TS]

  because they're still today selling the iPhone for us and the end the iPad Mini [TS]

  the original one which both use a CPU fast forward three years and you're [TS]

  gonna be in the same situation with 64 bit ago just one on 64 bit CPU left some [TS]

  crappy device on a six to keep supporting that it's annoying as well I [TS]

  can outlaw 64 bit well that's coming up at the next morning about the crappy old [TS]

  burst on this is the early era of what morning where he just keeps some slow [TS]

  device around four to like it like the 3ds before it was interesting to biggest [TS]

  in the chaplain this out that the iPad Mini original and iPad 2 or the same [TS]

  hardware one's bigger a hundred bucks more [TS]

  the [TS]

  retina many and the new iPad air are also the same hardware one's bigger also [TS]

  a hundred bucks more so they have the exact same gap with both product [TS]

  families yeah that's funny I mean when you go into an Apple store like the [TS]

  script to the spill or whatever they have to to say which device they like [TS]

  you like they do like small a lot of mind a little like there are it's a good [TS]

  it's a good spread to get everybody to get everybody something they want at a [TS]

  price they can kind of feel OK with while still having that's the kind of [TS]

  smooth little ramp that they had their wage anywhere you like you like you [TS]

  decide on the machines he wanted you end up getting a little bump in you and [TS]

  above 100 bucks more like share when I like Apple stores and Apple products and [TS]

  pricing a great at hurting you towards the thing that you think you want and [TS]

  then making you pay fifty to a hundred bucks more than you thought you're going [TS]

  to pay for it and then leaving the store happy to convince the magic of the Apple [TS]

  store like even if it's just the case like oh and of course you want two cases [TS]

  of course the blanket that $40 case which you were just hanging in hong over [TS]

  like a $2 difference between model and model be the case I got a free throw [TS]

  10+2 out on how well do they do with that but cases people I know I got out [TS]

  of his party had to its weird and was it last show the show before where I [TS]

  thought I was being albright and pointing out that we were darn near done [TS]

  with Doc devices nearly I was just way we note that they're gonna a dock port [TS]

  to the retina iPad the family and this is our big mouth bass family for people [TS]

  with all peripherals digga digga must be selling a ton of this iPad Tues I mean [TS]

  they must be selling way more than we can possibly imagine I don't know I mean [TS]

  every every time there's any kind of event for iPads can we talk about it all [TS]

  it's like iPad 2 Deathwatch I like the iPod Classic just wait for that one so I [TS]

  can still for sale is it still for sale in look after yesterday I classic ya [TS]

  think so at this point like I mean I was one of them I predicted for years every [TS]

  single class is gonna die right [TS]

  and every time goes by and it still around it's never taught mentioned it's [TS]

  just still quietly around for sale I think now like now the surprising thing [TS]

  would be if they do kill it just seems like this the undead zombie product that [TS]

  just cannot possibly die it's not like only available like one color one or two [TS]

  colors unlike many others just like this it there there are no options [TS]

  taken to leave no actually wait a minute there's two there is a silver and a dark [TS]

  grey calling black yeah they actually have both and they're both on the same [TS]

  capacity same price 250 bucks hundred and sixty gigs which i think has been [TS]

  that way for like three or four years compared to a net heard this I'm back to [TS]

  work today of all shows they're talking about this text shows someone they've [TS]

  third-hand up as they saw they saw something on the web link do something [TS]

  that said the number of possible excuse of one of the devices might have you [TS]

  been the iPhone like forty or something in terms of carrier storage size color [TS]

  combinations with forty skews [TS]

  I mean when you think about it like that is by far apple's most popular and most [TS]

  profitable product so they can afford to satisfy every possible lead with it it's [TS]

  similar maybe they're even talk about the iPad 2 similar because they do offer [TS]

  the two colors of the iPads and you can get on with it with the you know sunday [TS]

  without and with WiFi and in different sizes and multiplies out pretty fast [TS]

  like we all like this it's like bill daughter but not really because nothing [TS]

  is built daughter they just have to make all sorts of different varieties and you [TS]

  just pick the one you want when they want the white you know the rise in 32 [TS]

  gig you know like that's that's a lot I will say also now that runs six people [TS]

  going to ask if your gonna buy an iPad I I would evaluate your own needs however [TS]

  I always highly encourage people to get a cellular model I think it makes a big [TS]

  difference in how you can use it and so I person at the Verizon one it's up to [TS]

  you but when you get just because for me having to have had work at my house on [TS]

  solar is not necessary but having it work everywhere else is awesome [TS]

  have Verizon iPad and AT&T on the phone and I have tethering available on both [TS]

  so I would never go on a trip I can just pick the one that has better reception [TS]

  wherever I am news of rising one and and use that to tether my laptop and it's [TS]

  awesome so I do recommend getting a soda 1 I i get 32 gig capacity on iPads I [TS]

  don't get 64 I get 32 just because that's the way I use it it's up to you [TS]

  how to use it but definitely I would recommend cellular I would agree with [TS]

  that I've only ever had WiFi iPads and especially the last the last two which I [TS]

  acquired roughly the same time which is the iPad 3 in the mini I've really [TS]

  regretted not having US Cellular One and I think up until today I would have said [TS]

  I would absolutely get the Verizon one just like you to offset the AT&T phone [TS]

  that I have that being said [TS]

  alluded to earlier t-mobile announced some really interesting cellular pricing [TS]

  on about you the details but it's something along the lines of you get to [TS]

  it makes free every month and then it was pretty cheap to add in I think was [TS]

  day or week passes at reasonable capacities it was not ridiculous that's [TS]

  really good for travel exactly but the only problem is if I'm reading things [TS]

  right it's I believe it's only on their 4G network which is basically in [TS]

  metropolitan areas and that's it so it is a pretty big trade off it's much [TS]

  cheaper but it may not be as available especially in the case of something like [TS]

  Verizon but I would definitely look into that and just like Marcus and evaluate [TS]

  your needs but if it were me I would probably get a 32 gig iPad Mini right [TS]

  now either t-mobile or Verizon [TS]

  if your iPad never leave your house than wifi only is probably fine but if you [TS]

  bring it with you either you know every day on your commute or she bring it on [TS]

  trips you no more than 20 times a year [TS]

  having at Avenel tijuana's is great because not only can you tell all your [TS]

  other stuff with it if you want to end the battery life and you're just having [TS]

  an awesome you can use it like pretty much all day but you can also get it [TS]

  just changes the way you use it when you just like a phone when you always know [TS]

  that it's always online rather than having to like go on your phone turn [TS]

  tethering on have your iPod connect your phone to tether [TS]

  it's when you whenever you add those steps it reduces the likelihood they're [TS]

  gonna pull out and check it and you can use it for something and so you like for [TS]

  me I've always found out I will use the iPad more when it has the radio them on [TS]

  it doesn't you're the only thing I would say those I am Not sure if t-mobile does [TS]

  tethering with these plans they very well may I just I really don't know that [TS]

  would dramatically change my enthusiasm for tmobile because half the reason I [TS]

  would want and acellular app ipad is in order to tether just like you were [TS]

  saying you want to move on to the Mavericks stuff yeah I'd like to briefly [TS]

  start by making an observation and then I will leave the floor too especially [TS]

  John what do you believe in the forum you guys gonna ask me questions I just [TS]

  wrote this entire room I can read the review in the area no we're not we have [TS]

  about 50 more minutes 20 minutes you can fit in there right so are you gonna do [TS]

  an audio book release no I'm not I mean like you can make Pakistan redo web [TS]

  pages you know like it's part of this part it's part of the OS they don't need [TS]

  me to do that for you but it's not the same you have to be a member of the [TS]

  audible read it has to be in the author's voice to really have maximum [TS]

  effect if I read something that I wrote it just makes me about the writing isn't [TS]

  like that just doesn't it takes a certain skill to read you know to read [TS]

  the written word is different than just speaking are giving a speech or anything [TS]

  like that it's very different and not not in my skill set that's funny you say [TS]

  that the market because earlier as I was reading the review it I thought to [TS]

  myself I wonder if we could take like recordings of need [TS]

  Naturally Speaking software that you use whatever it is the dictation software [TS]

  you use and piece together the review just from the recordings that you made [TS]

  in the process of writing the review you could not because I interleave typing in [TS]

  speaking which you really shouldn't do it is inefficient but that's just the [TS]

  way I work in this is nonsense just fragments of sentences bursted out and [TS]

  then I go back and edit things and put in two senses by hand and speaks [TS]

  tomorrow it is not a pretty process now you guys give me a taste my medicine I [TS]

  wanted to make a quick observation before we got to that it was one of the [TS]

  reasons I think was a WBC either this year or in 2012 and I didn't have the [TS]

  chance to go look it up and figure out exactly what what it was but I remember [TS]

  leaving that offend whatever the event was thinking to myself my goodness half [TS]

  of this event was a big screw you to Google and it might be the one where [TS]

  they introduced Apple maps which as it turns out wasn't as much as we thought [TS]

  but what would ever been to was there was one event where I left thinking my [TS]

  goodness that was just a big screw you to Google after this event I had a [TS]

  similar feeling but it was from Microsoft because it during the event [TS]

  Apple killed while you could argue that Apple killed paid OS upgrades are really [TS]

  paying for your OS in any particular capacity they killed [TS]

  office to some degree by by making the iWork suite free and they killed officer [TS]

  65 and kind of Google Docs by having I work the I work on iCloud beta or [TS]

  whatever it's called now granted when I say killed none of these things office [TS]

  and Google Docs aren't going away but I thought it was really really interesting [TS]

  that a lot of this was both an implied and in some cases explicit screw you to [TS]

  Microsoft in the explicit case I'm thinking of most most obviously is when [TS]

  they had the picture windows 8 or Windows 8 under whatever was the picture [TS]

  of the box for that in the end they said you know this is what the other guys are [TS]

  doing and we don't believe in thats we're gonna get free they blew it up [TS]

  they blew up the box with all the stuff they at least kept that transition [TS]

  exactly in so I just don't have as much else to say about that I'm curious if [TS]

  you guys have any thoughts but I just thought it was interesting that they're [TS]

  going after Microsoft with this because I was a direction I didn't really expect [TS]

  they going after the old Microsoft with that because like an article in Wired [TS]

  about this too that quoted me to someone [TS]

  some of them an email asking for take on this and I sent them a paragraph in the [TS]

  middle of the forest and savanna no idea but I did it mostly because I knew [TS]

  exactly what I wanted to say on this topic like the article was just killed [TS]

  the market for POS is simply sensational headline and I sent back a paragraph [TS]

  said this was happening and it's basically it's big it's because of [TS]

  vertical integration if you make the hardware and the software you can decide [TS]

  where you want to take your profit and lazy way to do is be like ok we'll get [TS]

  our problem hardware problem software to that's dumb move because if you can just [TS]

  shift that profit over just take a little bit you going software and put it [TS]

  into hardware maker software free free is a magical price point there so many [TS]

  like papers and books you can read about the experiments show the magic of free [TS]

  you know 11 cent difference going from one side to suits who sent does almost [TS]

  nothing but are going to send down to one son does almost nothing but going [TS]

  from one set down 20 cents unbelievable results like three is magic and so why [TS]

  in the world that you get like you know two percent of your proper forum [TS]

  software and and 98 from hardware when your results getting a hundred percent [TS]

  of your problem hardware and 0 from software just phenomenal and so if you [TS]

  make both most things you have that option and you could do their very [TS]

  sizable as well but it's really hard to give people free hardware especially big [TS]

  heavy things made of metal and then silicon chips and stuff like they're [TS]

  more expensive so if you have to make a choice where you gonna be your profit [TS]

  really really hard to put all your profit into software give you a free [TS]

  hardware although Amazon is almost kind of doing how to try to give free [TS]

  everything from the outside the choice is clear it's always been the big [TS]

  money's in the hardware and the software is cheap and out Apple's finally [TS]

  realizing I can make the whole thing we can show up all the profit into the [TS]

  hardware and software for free and Microsoft couldn't do that before cuz [TS]

  they didn't make the hardware and sat on the new Microsoft is we want to do that [TS]

  we want to be related to make the hardware and the software and once [TS]

  Microsoft does that they will finally have the freedom to shift that the [TS]

  Prophet wherever they want and I think they're going to end up in the same [TS]

  place you can give people free surface Pro two is or whatever they're selling [TS]

  now those costs money to make their physical goods you got a ship and people [TS]

  at the bottom and build them but you can make the software free so I think [TS]

  microsoft is not like microsoft knows where they're going to say oh we're [TS]

  going to make a run [TS]

  gonna buy Nokia we're gonna make your own stuff we're making our own Xbox or [TS]

  whatever you know OS upgrades for Xbox or not [TS]

  $29 for $100 whenever they're free to just get the new you know you update [TS]

  your software so everyone's going in the direction that direction everyone's [TS]

  being vertically integrated and Apple to take its wipes now but I think microsoft [TS]

  is considering the recent market almost there well on their way to becoming a [TS]

  kind of company are ready and able to get some final digs in you know before [TS]

  everyone arrives at same spot sure I think developers are are gonna read into [TS]

  this free stuff a lot more than the market will end and I was I would also [TS]

  say you know with regard to these things like you know quote killing these I mean [TS]

  I would say like my my favorite weapon in and worms the old I was a big fan [TS]

  forums that the 2d versions by before they went through in ruin the whole [TS]

  thing but my favorite weapon whereas the prod because it's just like put them off [TS]

  a cliff or something like you you expend the slightest effort possible and cause [TS]

  them you know some could have to happen and so I would say like you know Apple [TS]

  parotid Microsoft and Google with with these are they I don't think they really [TS]

  are killing anybody I don't think it's not that big of a deal to the industry [TS]

  what it really is you know these Apple products are appliances Apple want you [TS]

  think I'm thinking that way and Apple want you to just buy the Apple product [TS]

  and just always have the latest version that's something that Google cannot [TS]

  offer on all their stuff on Android and everything good can't offer it because [TS]

  they don't really controlled the ecosystem Microsoft can't offer because [TS]

  it kind of by their business model in the but the fact is no one with Android [TS]

  phones really ever upgrade anyway even if they can and even PC users don't [TS]

  usually upgrade their arrest usually they get to know us by buying a new PC [TS]

  so they're not really attacking these business models as much as it might seem [TS]

  it would also like you know that I work in in the in the browser stuff and the [TS]

  collaboration features that would have been a really fantastic if Google Docs [TS]

  didn't exist [TS]

  but now it's like Apple AAPL is true is really trying to play catch-up with [TS]

  Google Docs and and to date in a very bad job of it we'll see how this is i i [TS]

  dont have high expectations because their reputation this department is very [TS]

  very bad cases think about his feelings coming out of the Apple maps [TS]

  presentation and in terms of being able to control everyone's versions of stuff [TS]

  everyone's got a little put in a camp like Google's got its Chromebook [TS]

  Chromebook the whole big deal is like you always have the most recent version [TS]

  everything in Google Chrome which they offer for lots of different platforms [TS]

  same type of deal where Google Chrome is notorious for you know I should like [TS]

  this I just like look it's gonna update your gonna have the latest you connect [TS]

  to the internet [TS]

  you're gonna have the latest version of Chrome right and Chrome OS is like an [TS]

  entire machine that's like that you have no choice you want latest version [TS]

  everything no options you just gonna have it [TS]

  Android they can't do that with because of carrier crap and that's kind of you [TS]

  know the whole thing and some similar to Microsoft Xbox I mean I think you have [TS]

  the option not to upgrade but it's like they're not charging you and they will [TS]

  strongly encourage you all had a new Xbox out of me I don't know if they go [TS]

  so far so you can connect to live after a certain point you have an upgrade to [TS]

  latest Xbox and Microsoft console on who should know better than I but everyone [TS]

  who has control of any hardware platform walks to do that thing where it's just [TS]

  where they want to keep everyone up to date is just that Apple is like they're [TS]

  already there then camped out in that zone for just three decades the hardware [TS]

  we have the software and they were like they're fighting with one hand tied [TS]

  behind their back trying to start $29 so as 10 upgrades was like why why we doing [TS]

  that we're just responding ourselves and maybe it took Ohio esta to convince them [TS]

  like oh yeah we can just make it free and add $29.00 to the margins of our max [TS]

  problem solved so John switching gears for for a minute of the show what do you [TS]

  do you think maverick's do you think everyone should install it but not [TS]

  everyone have you installed on your main computers are you using in full time [TS]

  when you're on your main and work computers in their view which you [TS]

  haven't read I said it like every new version of OS 10 I've been upgraded to [TS]

  sooner and sooner like after you know usually after publishing review I said [TS]

  maybe by the time you read this I'll be all [TS]

  house will be on Mavericks unfortunately like a week before Mavericks released my [TS]

  works which VPN products from one that used to work with the OS 10 built in VPN [TS]

  21 the required a terrible third-party product and now I'm stuck until the VPN [TS]

  software but I can't get into the VPN software support and Mavericks and god [TS]

  knows how long that will be so unfortunately I was not able to execute [TS]

  my plan to give up the Mavericks and to get my name but it's it's pretty darn [TS]

  safe like you know it again I say they would you please people back up your [TS]

  stuff like do Rio backup confirmed that its ok maybe due to backup just in case [TS]

  because if you screw it up then your backup is the only one place your stuff [TS]

  is due back up sorry and do a couple Google searches of you know you have [TS]

  high res software tends to break it was upgrades [TS]

  say you're running PGP whole disk encryption which you shouldn't because [TS]

  you just should just be using the past tense built-in encryption see if that's [TS]

  compatible you running some crazy extension extension or driver like to go [TS]

  to the manufacturer's website send email to support things that has like it takes [TS]

  action week or so to get all these answers but you'll be much happier when [TS]

  you do it's not like you just wait some magical period of time to upgrade [TS]

  checker software if you just only running back stock AAPL stuff and things [TS]

  from the Mac App Store get upgraded a backup but you'll be fine but yet it [TS]

  seems to really low risk in terms of compatibility right down to the fact [TS]

  that it doesn't even eliminated Harbor compatible like it you can run mountain [TS]

  lion you can run this so I know the handful my co-workers have already [TS]

  upgraded in granted in all my coworkers are kinda nerds but some of them are not [TS]

  the kind of nerd said I necessarily would've expected to upgrade nos so [TS]

  quickly [TS]

  not to say they wouldn't do it but just to do it so quickly and I've heard any [TS]

  negative feedback from any of them back to work today [TS]

  I have not done it on either my machines yet I will at some point once I get some [TS]

  double sure backups going especially since we just went on this trip I want [TS]

  to make sure that I kinda get through the processing of all those files and [TS]

  make sure those are all squared away in more places than just the psychology and [TS]

  then I will probably upgrade like over the weekend or something the other [TS]

  reason to worry about upgrades is not that things are gonna work but you know [TS]

  features are added and changed and so that's why you know maybe reading her [TS]

  view and I know what you're in for a big as the say you really liked the old way [TS]

  that full screen work crazy person they knew who the new way that it worked is [TS]

  different and so you upgrading I missed 12 people complained that it was like [TS]

  they changed the way the power button works on laptops instead of bring up a [TS]

  little dialogue where you can sleep and all that stuff just heading it sleeps [TS]

  the whole it down to get a dialogue and that seems like a small thing but that's [TS]

  a change and it doesn't like it's not like your computer doesn't work anymore [TS]

  but people upgrade that's the thing that they'll say I upgrade to measure gonna [TS]

  ruin my computer not have to hold down the key to get on top of you [TS]

  accidentally hit because near the leak in my laptop puts me to sleep and you [TS]

  know that the way too weak to point out some way to disable that was some like [TS]

  stuff like that is in the real world what people decide to condemn or praise [TS]

  a release for an ob praising it again if they didn't like the new one if they [TS]

  have multi monitor they like having the menu bar in both places like stuff like [TS]

  that is what people end up becoming attached to it whereas when I'm things [TS]

  like I was gonna you know how was your computer knowledge you get your work [TS]

  done stuff like that and that's more of a software compatibility thing but yeah [TS]

  we have you can see the features some features are different than they are now [TS]

  online [TS]

  better not worse it's up to you to decide but they're different find out [TS]

  what those R and see if you like them but I think one of the reasons people [TS]

  are upgrading is because like you go to any computer with mountain line you [TS]

  launch the app store it's like a the genome averages out presses button get [TS]

  it now you know that's the whole point 30 purchased just it's gonna be shoved [TS]

  in your face and when I was seven [TS]

  and iOS devices and that's that's all part of the plan just very briefly about [TS]

  features one of the things that I've been kind of dreading about Mavericks [TS]

  since I was sitting in the WBC keno is that when on my work computer [TS]

  particularly I like to have three different spaces and one of them is like [TS]

  personal email and web browsing the middle one is work email and I am and [TS]

  things of that nature and the third one is whatever the actual work I'm doing is [TS]

  and I treat each of these three spaces as one contiguous unit across two [TS]

  monitors so maybe I'll have work email on the on board LCD and I'll have work I [TS]

  am on a external LCD but that space-based number two I treat is one [TS]

  contiguous unit just spanning two monitors I know that the way that [TS]

  maverick streets though the spaces and in mission control and all that is that [TS]

  it is no longer there now to independent monitors with two independent situations [TS]

  going on and I've been dreading that although if I recall correctly you said [TS]

  the review there is a way by which you can turn that off if I really get [TS]

  desperate but that's a great example of something where I already know that this [TS]

  might not be something I like but I i theoretically have a backup plan just in [TS]

  case and the point it's like when you gonna do like you're not going to stay [TS]

  especially if you're upgrading it eventually you're gonna get a new [TS]

  mechanism I'll just get used to it sooner rather than later like absolutely [TS]

  get started on figuring out what you need to do to tweak in this particular [TS]

  version to your liking [TS]

  right instead of just saying on all the same reason both these people on Snow [TS]

  Leopard still they mentioned nikki noted that I also mentioned a few people of [TS]

  Snow Leopard last good version right because that's just the one they love [TS]

  and you just got to move on eventually yeah that's why I figure out all over [TS]

  the weekend but it's nice it's nice a knowing what I'm probably not going to [TS]

  like about it but it's also nice knowing after having read your view that there's [TS]

  a backup plan available [TS]

  also I'm very surprised that I have the self control not update immediately if [TS]

  for no other reason than for the easy access to emoji with whatever that is [TS]

  which Stephen Hawking oh so gently pointed out in his mattress review you [TS]

  don't need easier access to emerging market and they can have a problem I put [TS]

  that in my urge you to Casey I thought you read it I don't know I saw your I [TS]

  got a snarky call out in Hackett's review yeah I mean we're late relating [TS]

  to show for me to be going through my view point by point and we will all we [TS]

  can do more of that next show but like to sum up the little bit and then we'll [TS]

  get into more details on future shows but when I'm writing these things I'm [TS]

  always looking for some kind of message or theme for the OS and Apple AAPL [TS]

  provide something that would like whatever they decide to be pushing you [TS]

  know however they tried to wrap up in a bow the features that happened to make [TS]

  it into this release in this one obviously energy-saving is a big thing [TS]

  but what I'm looking for is like historically speaking what kind of [TS]

  releases this and I would say it's a weird one like that's the theme of this [TS]

  review that goes drug thing that's where it stopped in this like it's odd it's [TS]

  even call it like a transition because there have been transitioned over this [TS]

  is but it's like a transition between what and what a transition between that [TS]

  weird line mountain lion forestall I West jealousy you know no clear vision [TS]

  world and then like not on your way to an iOS 7 things it seemed like a Disney [TS]

  maybe that's out there in the future is not clear but it's like ok away from [TS]

  where we were but not towards anywhere in particular and it's weird you know [TS]

  aesthetically and like spiritually if you want that way like it's it's kind of [TS]

  a little bit lost in computers which is not to say that so many parts of [TS]

  visitors better like the tech partners gets better you know [TS]

  gets more efficient these things get to use less memory things get faster and [TS]

  just you know bugs are are removed and subsystems improving you know everything [TS]

  about the respect to be better but it's not setting off in some bold new [TS]

  direction it's kind of like I don't know it's an odd bird and it's kind of like [TS]

  the beginning of something new but it doesn't know what that is because we [TS]

  stop the cats we start with the place names and it's you know it's kind of [TS]

  like a baby cows there baby deer whenever they get up stand up for the [TS]

  first time in their big long legs during that's that's kind of like what [TS]

  Mavericks is but at the same time has that vibe of like well there's that and [TS]

  there's also like when they didn't go try to like ripped the entire house down [TS]

  and do something you like it and I was seven so there is a comfort and [TS]

  familiarity so that theme I hope people who read the review like it's hard [TS]

  because you like a certain point and pasting text dumps of like exeter output [TS]

  in him to the thing in your life that I've lost the plot now I don't know [TS]

  what's going on with this review but I hope that runs throughout the review and [TS]

  I do try to added another layer on top of that which is you know stupid snarky [TS]

  comment and yes tons and tons of pop culture references and I i feel like if [TS]

  you don't understand any of the pop culture references that it put in there [TS]

  and no one but me like it's gonna get them all because they're all from my [TS]

  personal history I feel like you still get the theme that I'm driving out I [TS]

  shouldn't have to know have watched the same movies and TV shows and read the [TS]

  same book as I have to get what I'm getting it should be there in the text [TS]

  but if everybody else there is the subtext laid on top of it and help the [TS]

  people who get those to you later references and find little Easter eggs [TS]

  or whatever that had something to but I never want that to be the only thing and [TS]

  and the things I'm adding to it I hope is building on that team not just like [TS]

  oh and by the way like here's a funny thing from a TV show that some of the [TS]

  other related to the theme of this review I've tried to make the records [TS]

  related to the theme in their view including like the big one pop culture [TS]

  theme that runs throughout the entire thing to try to tight end and part of [TS]

  the reason I do that is to use me in [TS]

  entertains me to write that way but the other thing is I don't know what to do [TS]

  for review until I basically have the intro and like the last line for the [TS]

  last paragraph in my head for their view and then it's just a matter of ok well [TS]

  just fill in the 20 K were in the middle of your fine that's my process like I [TS]

  need to know what that opening is like in the opening the interest take me too [TS]

  long as to write on many things I have spent more time in the interest in it do [TS]

  unlike the next fifty percent of their view the intro and then the conclusion [TS]

  in the past years i mean to conclusions one the boring conclusion reached the [TS]

  recommendations section where I tell you like should you buy it what are the [TS]

  factors involved what do I think of it and then there's the touchy-feely [TS]

  conclusion which is what I am with that's what I think about so if you [TS]

  haven't read the review or haven't they don't blame you are never intended to [TS]

  finish and I would encourage you to give it a try with what I just said in mind [TS]

  hopefully it'll give you some sort of guide through through the experience in [TS]

  come out the other side and we will talk more about the individual features [TS]

  Mavericks in future shows and I want to answer one question for the chat room [TS]

  because I was asking how many people have been asking us on Twitter that's a [TS]

  whole other met him at a theme of like people asking questions about their view [TS]

  on the whole feedback process especially the age of Twitter why isn't the book [TS]

  available next can I book store what ya like so I put it up on iBooks and [TS]

  country you want to be available in isolated all the available countries but [TS]

  some of them showed little red lights with a says you know you do not have a [TS]

  contract to sell in this country [TS]

  contact blah blah but never mean it's kinda like conde nast as the merchant [TS]

  account into the contest is the parent company of our second ago and I don't [TS]

  know if it's just a particular company or whatever but this book is for the [TS]

  iBooks for sale everywhere that I was able to put it up for sale I don't [TS]

  control whatever the deals are the kind of nice house with these individual [TS]

  countries so it's not a New Zealand is not in mexico it's not all sorts of [TS]

  countries but it isn't 32 countries if you can't get it through the iBookstore [TS]

  but you still want the iBook version you can subscribe to our premier get the [TS]

  exact same file and also the Kindle version had a PDF version [TS]

  and a single page web page version without ads show on my blog post about [TS]

  it explain all this stuff so it's not a choice on my part is nothing I can do [TS]

  about it but you can there is another way to get the exact same price the [TS]

  thing that you want to get tickets probably it for sure people want to hear [TS]

  more about matters but by next week both of you will have read it and will have [TS]

  come to come prepared with questions for me about things I'm not just going to go [TS]

  through it [TS]

  a section of times I anticipated talked about this like that's not gonna is [TS]

  there a format or version of the article that you recommend the most if you [TS]

  didn't even read my meta blog post he's just not that that's the after dark for [TS]

  the review I have to save until after I read the review and you can read the [TS]

  spoilers it's the same as the one last year I just copy and paste the same damn [TS]

  blood pressure which I admit in the thing I like is my plan was to read the [TS]

  web version on the iPad so they can follow the links just in Safari that's [TS]

  my personal favorite is the first of all I spent all this time and paying getting [TS]

  his damn Retina screen shot because i dont have a complete view this is not a [TS]

  fun experience trying to create going to high DPI mode and crannies gigantic [TS]

  windows onto your non Retina screen Android arrange them so you can get [TS]

  everything right and my wife's computer she's constantly chasing me to get off [TS]

  her computer cuz she's going on the 27 screen which consider reasonable sized [TS]

  window in and Heidi p.m. out so all those rendered images if you have access [TS]

  to run the device I highly recommend reading under a device that I like doing [TS]

  a long reading on my retina iPad so I think that is the best experiences said [TS]

  you know if you wanna say what is what is the top-level experience for me it's [TS]

  subscribe Stars premiere go to the article on your iPad your retina iPad [TS]

  and view it on a single page with no ads and just girls in one city second after [TS]

  that I would say is read the web version broke up into pages because then you can [TS]

  remember you are on page seven or something and not have to worry about [TS]

  like retain your position this giant Marks growing think my plan again do it [TS]

  on a Mac or something like that I really think about versions the best version I [TS]

  say this every year which is make any sense casino [TS]

  reading the web version is like version costs money to everything is free [TS]

  freeware version is the best one I think I'll explain at length with copy and [TS]

  paste attacks from last year's post explaining the same thing maybe next [TS]

  year I'll build it back to its a read what I wrote last year that all blazes [TS]

  here will the right answer is to buy the Kindle version and by the US version but [TS]

  still read on the web on an iPad some people do that and I thank them for like [TS]

  you know and some people just like to have liked the exists because people [TS]

  want to not because I thought it was a great idea I don't think anyone why [TS]

  would anyone pay for an ebook get three people really want to read it so you [TS]

  want it will be provided [TS]

  go nuts and Marcus defense I was going to ask you that question even even [TS]

  though I knew the answer just because I felt like it might be worthwhile to have [TS]

  it stated on the show that the canonical version is the Ars Technica web version [TS]

  honor in the device preferably full-size iPad [TS]

  tax advisor to i mean you know the only part partly objection experience to [TS]

  reading on the web is I do use a lot of links and my writing and I i think thats [TS]

  good I like that some people don't that's why i think is rooted in you know [TS]

  so far and i think is revisited links about leaving to another application or [TS]

  whatever in nicely go back and forth and retain state of where you are and [TS]

  everything but the links color the late colors are as uses for both vietnam [TS]

  visited and visited links make it so lots of links in a paragraph get up a [TS]

  little bit like they're not subtle like orange [TS]

  do and I don't know I don't pick the color of the site design and the colors [TS]

  are not there you know most people who write for us to not use the identity of [TS]

  links that I do and if you're scared by the first page looks like it's a link [TS]

  they do thin out later and my big thing with linking is I think they're super [TS]

  important and I don't want anyone to read a sentence and not know what I'm [TS]

  talking about like to read over something like that read somewhere they [TS]

  make some off-handed a mention of course animation and they have no idea of [TS]

  Coronation is I don't want to just leave them there hanging them know that think [TS]

  they're going to a coronation I want to link them back directly to the section [TS]

  right describe what car animation is in detail two years ago [TS]

  whatever that's why I put the links that you know a car animation is your second [TS]

  mouse and over the stupid thing to see where they go wherever and whenever you [TS]

  start ignoring that's fine but [TS]

  I want to bring everybody law so you shouldn't need to follow the link to [TS]

  understand if you know what I mean is the link think the car animation right [TS]

  and some of them are starting something and adding information sentence but they [TS]

  should never be necessary should be able to remove everything linking this review [TS]

  it still makes sense if you have all the background knowledge that you need to [TS]

  help but I'm not going to go into detail of explaining you know what you know [TS]

  what virtual memory is it something about our actual memory you know lots of [TS]

  Wikipedia page looks like what is this I don't you stop the middle sentence [TS]

  insight I don't know what that now in a proper noun is or I don't understand [TS]

  this concept of the three-letter acronym and I know you're not going to go google [TS]

  it but if you can just click link and I'll take you directly to precisely the [TS]

  pace to explain exactly what that thing is that you can resume reading now I [TS]

  agree with you I like the lines so I'm saying like if I pick the link color for [TS]

  a second ago I would pick a color that blends more nicely with the writing but [TS]

  I don't think it so that's the only one downside to reading it [TS]

  the web version versus books to use like depending on your readers configured to [TS]

  use anything else but wrap it up thanks a lot or to sponsor this week [TS]

  Squarespace and hover and we will see you next week with tons of questions for [TS]

  John because I will probably have done my homework [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin [TS]

  it was accidental [TS]

  accidental John [TS]

  because it was accidental and you can t be L and T Marco [TS]

  that the first time you've ever done your homework can do lots of homework I [TS]

  don't have to prepare and finally you been preparing for the last like you [TS]

  know five months or whatever bye next week on everything so frequently [TS]

  consulted as it's like after you take the test your knowledge leaves your head [TS]

  that again let's blame the listeners will say that we're giving them time to [TS]

  read it and prepare their own questions and into our feedback form rather than I [TS]

  didn't do my homework as I was out all day [TS]

  yeah I think a lot of people like i dont wanna read their reviews too long and [TS]

  boring I just wanna hear an audio summary of it but it's better if you [TS]

  read it and then if I think compromise but if you watch the movie or TV show [TS]

  read the book and then listen to the income people talking about you don't [TS]

  wanna do they're so if you go out there and read the review and come back next [TS]

  week [TS]

  time to read it's not that long yeah I mean I think I didn't matter if you last [TS]

  year I think it took it took me like an hour and 40 minutes or something like [TS]

  that it wasn't it you know it doesn't take like hours and hours and hours to [TS]

  read this thing it's not that ridiculous it does if you don't know what I'm [TS]

  talking about like if you don't know the background that's all those links are [TS]

  therefore if you read it he likes what the hell of a talking about Forrestal [TS]

  what I don't know who these people are well click the link and you'll find the [TS]

  story about you know like you just keep going back let me who was fought cuts or [TS]

  so why did you leave it was the home about about them like we also met her [TS]

  once serene that kind of a vague idea what that's about [TS]

  for context but if you don't think so you can if you do that you could be [TS]

  there for a long time it's like getting lost in a Wikipedia maids are you just [TS]

  keep going back and back until you're on the page her philosophy inevitably I [TS]

  said that like you know the number of links it takes to any Wikipedia page in [TS]

  the loss of a page that's where they're all dead end it now you want two titles [TS]

  we have a ton of amazing ones the one that Marco picked last week like he was [TS]

  totally not going to make it on the air but then I saw the c-level executives [TS]

  yeah you could you not resist that Iran it was just so your joke was so bad and [TS]

  and it was just like there weren't any other that were really awesome and that [TS]

  one ended up being really awesome because I think you just want to put my [TS]

  explanation [TS]

  after show actually I decided to put that in before I decided to take the [TS]

  name of that but it was just it was so funny because you thought it was so fun [TS]

  and and your your enthusiasm for it made it funnier it actually is [TS]

  that's the secret cases this is the actual like the letter C hyphen level [TS]

  looks awful it's this just terrible terrible business races like songs I [TS]

  think your email to c-level executives is just terrible all the ways that made [TS]

  up jargon is terrible but when you change it to sea levels like oh yeah now [TS]

  we're onto something of the sea [TS]

  c-level executives it sounds interesting and classy and pure and is not like sea [TS]

  level you know china are you really trying to sell this is not really a nice [TS]

  it's a much nicer place and see the joke is like if you want to find it in there [TS]

  is like how awful sea level is with the letter C as compared to the way you know [TS]

  market came around on his own [TS]

  c-level executives did you hear the after show from last week and I don't [TS]

  usually listen to the posted 1 John but everything oppose it was everything [TS]

  about you didn't like this every podcast my mom always the posted version [TS]

  everything I know I did not know that you know by now you just plain dirty I [TS]

  was a very good you didn't hear that one off and Khamenei made an EMT hours of [TS]

  course [TS]

  apology accepted I do like you know it's not terrible and I'll try not to do that [TS]

  again and again next week but you over two years [TS]