The Accidental Tech Podcast

38: Auto-Update My Parents


  you know if only you had a picture management's yeah nice we should I go [TS]

  for another hour let's do that last week we talked about the problem of disabling [TS]

  turning on the reduced motion thing and if you turn it off then you get a [TS]

  parallax effect and it seems in your background image and it was cutting off [TS]

  my background image that I want to use my dog was talking about if I could [TS]

  extend the the background of the image of my dog to make the image bigger so [TS]

  kind of look like I get the same crop as I had with reduced motion on and off a [TS]

  few different pictures and imagine using Content Aware Fill to try to find [TS]

  something I did that [TS]

  Content Aware Fill is not magic worked ok I tried touching up and I made a [TS]

  version that was extended a little bit boring grade and then a lot of people [TS]

  recommended to me and iOS app called auntie cropped wow that's probably about [TS]

  the same as Content Aware Fill but that was not the case of work way better than [TS]

  Content Aware Fill obviously photoshopped head of someone who knows [TS]

  what they're doing [TS]

  might be better than any crap but for me you just want to spend two minutes in [TS]

  antique and craft as possible and extended in my god oh yeah that's what I [TS]

  just didn't finish above last five minutes of this is a better job so I was [TS]

  impressed by that but of course indecrompt as same limitations as [TS]

  Content Aware Fill Photoshop that it has no idea what the dog looks like my dog [TS]

  is going off topic but it's going off the top and right edges of the screen so [TS]

  neither one of these parties going to draw the rest of the dog it'll draw the [TS]

  rest of the deck which is pretty regular straight lines and you know a single [TS]

  color and stuff like that but it cannot draw the rest of the dog until new [TS]

  Photoshop cs2 so someone named Jim Pearce on Twitter said hey I'm the [TS]

  visual effects artist you want me to extend the picture of a dog that had [TS]

  that it has entered the picture he sent it back to me and he did an amazing job [TS]

  extended not only the the deck edges but also the dog because he knows what it [TS]

  looks like so once again humans triumph over computers [TS]

  his website he believed his hat and suitcase dot com his portfolio [TS]

  everything up there but I'm not sure off all used the picture because I I just [TS]

  couldn't stand the parallax stuff like I even with even with the picture cropped [TS]

  looking right the dialog box is still move and the icons on the home screen [TS]

  still move my background is black but I can still move on the black background [TS]

  that I can see it then addressed me not so I'm still in reduce motion land [TS]

  despite the fact that I don't like the crossroads yes what he say that so my [TS]

  friend Chris Harris who I believe both you got some mad he works for the other [TS]

  media and has been making a few waves lately for being the head of the company [TS]

  or product called glide which down Apple's using for his rebooted loop [TS]

  magazine one place he saw me or heard me complaining about the same issue and did [TS]

  some sort of Photoshop magic on my picture of Erin that I took in 2008 and [TS]

  extended was taken in our kitchen so he extended all the bits that are easy to [TS]

  extend and that was the first time I'd seen any instance of Content Aware Fill [TS]

  in my world I'd seen the original video from wet whenever few years ago when [TS]

  this this concept was kind of invented and my goodness it it worked flawlessly [TS]

  and looks really good it it's kind of creepy how good it can just invent [TS]

  something out of nothing so I was very impressive think thanks Chris for that [TS]

  and then I guess something happened with links and Mavericks is a huge on this [TS]

  thing we talked about a couple shows maybe way back to the beginning and [TS]

  remembering which podcast was on I mentioned that I had little folder or [TS]

  little tag set and your Jimbo where I keep my starting point at my notes for [TS]

  each new version of OS 10 and I have to make those notes before I know the name [TS]

  of the OS would be and I was guessing for the name them [TS]

  there and and for 10.9 I made a link sold out why an axe and not necessarily [TS]

  because I thought that would be the name of the next big cat think I've always [TS]

  thought like working to go from a lion and you know you're not online seemed [TS]

  kinda lame but as i grateful they're done you know it can possibly be a [TS]

  capital was a cat that should be links and spiro links and then of course is [TS]

  called mary has a big cats but this past week I did get a tip that Apple was at [TS]

  the very least investigating the word links if they were to go with cat names [TS]

  would of course they didn't in the end so I still feel slightly vindicated in [TS]

  my instincts for lexical mountain lion I dunno if you would force me to guess I [TS]

  would have said was going to be some sort of thing I mountain lion or [TS]

  something like that you know I feel like I have a good sense of what the cats [TS]

  could be I think we talked about this and other recent talk show more about [TS]

  the Catholic but anyway I am I feel good knowing that links was in play and that [TS]

  it could have been a 10.9 name and I would have been perfectly happy with it [TS]

  but we're on to the place in california's that's why it's funny [TS]

  because the show notes the only entry is OS 10 10.9 ly an axe and I assumed this [TS]

  was sent you going this is going to be you lamenting the lack of the web [TS]

  browser or something changing about the web browser and in Mavericks and I'll be [TS]

  lowering links friend and I i wasnt stolid startling son do you test your [TS]

  website so I don't know occasionally find myself firing it up even sister on [TS]

  links dashed as dumper something I use it on you would I even used it [TS]

  ok so the other big news that just happen this week and then I think we [TS]

  have a tremendous amount of average review related follow-up is ever picks [TS]

  folded which I'm really really really disappointed by after listening to I [TS]

  don't recall what episode it was at the prompt and I don't think it is in the [TS]

  chat to correct me Bradley chambers came on the prompt to talk about photo [TS]

  management which is something I've classically been very bad at [TS]

  and said Oh you should really try to ever pics it's it's really good bond so [TS]

  I tried it and decided it is really good and actually paid for your subscription [TS]

  and it turns out that they have just decided to close their clothes their [TS]

  business and I'm very sad about that and I don't know what you guys have to add [TS]

  certainly there's some things we can talk about here in the show notes but [TS]

  John it seems like you've taken a keen interest in this [TS]

  yeah I signed up forever pics like a lot of people looking for some way to deal [TS]

  with all my pictures to give me a little more security and all paranoid Neville [TS]

  these multiple backs of my pictures but the thing about every picture is like [TS]

  will star only pictures for you will suck them out from all the places where [TS]

  they are so didn't wanna like own the pictures it was like will pull them out [TS]

  an iPhone will pull off your phone open from wherever and will start in forever [TS]

  and there's no limit and the price was like 50 bucks a year something so like [TS]

  I'll pay $50 for one year just to try this thing out to see if it'll give me [TS]

  like you know fourth or fifth backup my stuff and the fringe benefits of it [TS]

  where that I had access to all my pictures from any device that could run [TS]

  a web browser and there was a nice I was up as well so the some picture on the [TS]

  right to see from like seven years ago or something I'm not gonna have it on my [TS]

  phone because I can't have all my photos on my phone and you know if I didn't [TS]

  pick that one it's gonna be there and wait till I get home and go through my [TS]

  iPhoto library something whatever pics gave me access from anywhere to all my [TS]

  pictures and you could easily like give 404 resolution download links to two [TS]

  relatives if they wanted all I need to do to print throw all this picture of [TS]

  whatever it was just it was convenient it's the way you know whatever you say [TS]

  about everything now they're gonna like this is the way and search company [TS]

  should should do photo mansion whether it's Google or Microsoft or Apple [TS]

  anybody and actually cool sort of comes close to this with their with their [TS]

  photo stuff but they don't have as many hooks into Apple's applications right [TS]

  you don't have to worry about your photos they're all in the cloud will [TS]

  save them all for you forever storage unlimited the pricing is reasonable [TS]

  you have access to them anywhere so it was great and mostly I didn't think [TS]

  about too much about it but I'm gonna try this for a year and it seems like it [TS]

  works out just after months of trying the whole year and had a gun to the [TS]

  whole year probably would have signed up for it again if only for just like I [TS]

  don't like even if they didn't store them but somehow gave me a magical [TS]

  access to data from everywhere but like you know telling through my own computer [TS]

  something new just great to have access to them and there was a feature that [TS]

  lets talks about a lot less treatment of the impression of podcast and other [TS]

  things that he liked the the flashback emails it would send you would send you [TS]

  an email like a visit what happened a year ago today two years ago as a three [TS]

  years ago today and if you don't have kids you may think well nothing happened [TS]

  three years ago to be able to have kids to take pictures in the young take [TS]

  pictures like every single day and so it's kind of nice to see on this day in [TS]

  history when your kids were three years younger [TS]

  the pictures you took and I thought that was a little bit silly and I didn't sign [TS]

  up for the emails sent need to get in the morning else but occasionally when [TS]

  I'm flipping around my phone or go to the other pics after look at the [TS]

  flashback and it was cute and enjoyable but alas the company is gone and they're [TS]

  supposedly refunding the paraded amounts for the people who subscribe to their [TS]

  descriptions were not be at and I think it's sad for everyone involved because [TS]

  trust talk about everybody said this you know Apple AAPL should by these [TS]

  companies build a bunch max apple people they're doing things better than Apple [TS]

  does I don't understand why Apple can do it they're doing or couldn't do it [TS]

  they're doing but they're not so wrong just by this company into it and that [TS]

  didn't work out nobody wanted to buy them because they tried to sell [TS]

  themselves they had you know a couple of close calls but no takers and they just [TS]

  ran out of money [TS]

  yeah you know when it's funny that you mention the daily flashback email [TS]

  because when I started the trial with ever picks which would give you i think [TS]

  a year photos and then you can pull my curly in you know sell your soul in [TS]

  order to get more free [TS]

  more more time for free well they even the the one year of flashbacks even for [TS]

  a person who doesn't have children I thought was really cool and men as soon [TS]

  as I signed up for the full year like you dated and started getting the [TS]

  flashback emails from as much as like 10 or 12 or whatever years ago it was the [TS]

  neatest thing to be able to see and I found myself I realized that I was [TS]

  sending pictures to like Aaron and my friends of a look we're doing six years [TS]

  ago and I was probably getting to the point that I was becoming a spambot hand [TS]

  it's probably for the best in my personal relationships that ever picks [TS]

  is going away but the the point in driving out is that the flashback emails [TS]

  were incredible [TS]

  even as someone who doesn't have kids and you had mentioned being able to get [TS]

  to your pictures from basically anywhere and not unlike Mike I was one of those [TS]

  people who had a camera roll three gazillion pictures in the reason I did [TS]

  that even though I had gotten them off my phone and onto my computer I always [TS]

  wanted to be able to show a friend or someone I just met or family member a [TS]

  picture if I felt the need so for example if I'm talking about when Marco [TS]

  and Tiffany and I went to Germany I want to be able to have those pictures always [TS]

  or mine or the top your parties that we throw or whatever the case may be I want [TS]

  to be able to show someone those pictures and whatever pics I could do [TS]

  that and I didn't have to have a camera roll that was three thousand pictures [TS]

  which is literally what I had and now I I don't really have a solution for that [TS]

  at the moment and perhaps in in a minute we'll talk about some of the [TS]

  alternatives but it seems like from what I've gathered there's no clear winner [TS]

  and the other thing that I thought was interesting about this I don't think it [TS]

  would have worked because it's too fiddly but I was surmising on Twitter [TS]

  earlier it what would have happened if you could provide your own storage but [TS]

  after pics provided the software so I'm thinking kind of along the line kind of [TS]

  a cross maybe between file transporter of past sponsor the show and the fever [TS]

  RSS reader where where it's it you need a web web server that you install their [TS]

  software [TS]

  we're on at least that's what it was originally made up anymore or even like [TS]

  the backup app for Mac where which uses s3 as a store around you but you provide [TS]

  will so you're you're the cost and they just sell you the at right is always [TS]

  wonder if if S three bills weren't an issue for ever picks could they have [TS]

  survived in and both bradley steven Hackett who I was talking I was [TS]

  exchanging tweets with you know of course called me out and rightfully so [TS]

  saying well then nobody would have bought it because it's way too fiddly [TS]

  and that's true but on the other side of the coin I can't help but wonder what [TS]

  could have been and it's very easy to be armchair quarterback in this capacity [TS]

  but I'm really I'm really really bummed about about what's going what's happened [TS]

  with ever picks and I and i wish that Apple had bought them up although John [TS]

  you had exchanged a few tweets with I guess one of the employees one of the [TS]

  founders I don't know if you want to talk about that at all [TS]

  yeah so a couple people responding to the news respond to my retweet of her [TS]

  four Ever whatever announcement was and more people rely on Twitter said the [TS]

  classy thing to do these fail companies to outsource their technology you know [TS]

  so that's the stuff that they wrote doesn't just go away like ok well the [TS]

  company failed wanna make all your code open source and one of the engineers of [TS]

  the company said we wish we could have but we had to settle technology to pay [TS]

  for an orderly wind-down in a refund so they already sold like the underlying [TS]

  technology I guess and they did that so they would have enough money to keep the [TS]

  light on long enough to wind down the service and to give everyone back their [TS]

  refunds to pay their bills and you know all the outstanding stuff so they're [TS]

  trying to shut the company down a good way like giving you a refund for the [TS]

  time that you paid for the you don't get this is Sarah's going away and and do [TS]

  all that stuff and to do that apparently they had to sell the tactics of course [TS]

  asked who bought it and he said that's currently private so we don't know who [TS]

  bought so far we know Apple attack Yahoo bought the TAC Microsoft Google who [TS]

  knows who bought it but so that was interesting so they couldn't sell the [TS]

  company but apparently they could sell the attacker whatever at fire sale [TS]

  prices [TS]

  and then some other back and forth about you know why did the company make it is [TS]

  like a big long blog posts about it and speculation but this is the guy the [TS]

  company said a variable costs were covered by customer income to the head [TS]

  of subscribers to cover their variable costs but they hadn't yet reached the [TS]

  economy of scale to cover their fixed costs like basically didn't have enough [TS]

  customers to make the fixed cost of like running the service infrastructure and [TS]

  everything to come to cover all that stuff and that was really the problem [TS]

  they needed to scale up to get bigger and bigger than ever run against the [TS]

  company said if they have three times their current subscriber base they [TS]

  would've been profitable they just needed more people and that's another [TS]

  thing to put another nail in the coffin of Casey's idea to have like your own [TS]

  server in your own stories like they had to make it more accessible they need to [TS]

  market tomorrow people in there isn't a lot of articles written about how having [TS]

  an awesome product is not enough in the startup world because everyone who use [TS]

  their pics logged in their conversion rate from free to paid was excellent [TS]

  just as they didn't get enough bad customers fast enough and they couldn't [TS]

  get you no more funding with the tiny subscribers the habit was measured in a [TS]

  thousand and their growth curve of how many subscribers or get it was just too [TS]

  small so they were so close like over three times more customers well that's [TS]

  not that big of a deal you got a couple thousand customers or whatever was like [TS]

  fifty-five thousand free customers in like six or seven thousand paid they [TS]

  just needed to grow a little bit faster needed they just ran out of money too [TS]

  fast [TS]

  despite the fact that the product was great so that that's kind of a shame but [TS]

  Mike and when I look at companies like this I think and everyone thinks it why [TS]

  is this company with this great product that everybody loved but this team of [TS]

  like six people able to do something with the giant company that has billions [TS]

  and billions of profit like burning a hole in its pockets so much cash is [TS]

  trying to give it back to the shareholders to the tune of billions of [TS]

  dollars a year and still can't get rid of the cash fast enough to catch while [TS]

  still growing and talk about a plea of course how come they're thing people [TS]

  don't like and it's confusing in a scrappy and cost you know the cost more [TS]

  money than ever picks but it's like Apple has huge profitable businesses [TS]

  that could easily subsidize the cost of a never picks like service and that you [TS]

  know it's just an opportunity for these big companies to see to learn from the [TS]

  small companies as everyone says whoever uses Erica [TS]

  X Y you know photostream which table Cincinnati rebranding as I cloud [TS]

  application why doesn't it work in reverse why is it your device has the [TS]

  last thousand photos and then stop YYZ reverse like where the first name gives [TS]

  all your photos and only the most recent thousand are on your device instead of [TS]

  being well you know your pictures once you hit a thousand voters in for a [TS]

  stream the pictures don't you know aren't in the cloud anymore only the [TS]

  most recent one thousand or in the cloud and of course the rest of them will be [TS]

  an iPhoto or on your phone or whatever like people the whole point of any kind [TS]

  of cloud type service for pictures and post the whole point is you don't want [TS]

  people to worry it has to be you don't have you don't have to like do math in [TS]

  your head of Michael where are the photos will have a sink this recently [TS]

  never run out of my phone that's fine until eight thousand picture limited I [TS]

  start going up the end they make sure I think that I photo on my computer then I [TS]

  go back to my computer like people shouldn't have to worry about it and if [TS]

  you have to charge money to cover the costs find charged murdering her the [TS]

  costs are you working into the margins or other products you know I felt like I [TS]

  could the big win only happens when someone says oh you should get an apple [TS]

  whatever phone iPad computer because then you won't have to worry about if [TS]

  your photos are safe [TS]

  nobody ever says that now and ever picks you could have been the company you [TS]

  still around they get ever picks then you won't have to worry about if your [TS]

  photos and speaking of that the second issue with a lot of people are are [TS]

  responding about you know we heard you talk about ever text now look what [TS]

  happened now we learned our lesson never trust anybody I think we emphasized in [TS]

  the past our backups the whole point is you never put all your eggs in one [TS]

  basket so if a company like everybody goes down you should use your photos [TS]

  because that should not have been the only copy of your photos right you [TS]

  should have your photos in multiple places and if all those places can be [TS]

  like fire and forget all my photos are saved forever like you have them on your [TS]

  computer and your behavior is backed up with like you know crash manner black [TS]

  players or something like that or it's knocked up to a transporter in your [TS]

  house and that transfers thinks the transferee office like many many layers [TS]

  of backup in all those who want to be as brain dead simple don't have to think [TS]

  about it everything gets backed up automatically as you want and if any one [TS]

  of them goes down if your hard drive does your Mac does should be [TS]

  your time machine backup of your house burns down should build it yourself back [TS]

  from the cloud backup if your house burns down on your hard drive does you [TS]

  should be able to at least get your family photos back from every pixel [TS]

  whatever other online services using to just or your photos you need to have [TS]

  multiple errors in any one of those layers goes out of business [TS]

  burns down breaks you replace it [TS]

  replace our pics with those same thing replace your online back with another [TS]

  backup and replace your house with the new house or place your Mac with a new [TS]

  Mac that works to replace your broken hard drive that's the whole point of [TS]

  backups is not that all of these things going to be around forever it's [TS]

  acknowledging that every one of these things are backing out for will [TS]

  eventually not be around to the company will go into business of the hardware [TS]

  will die and you should be able to replace it because it's the only place [TS]

  you have your stuff I think you're being a little bit easier never picks I think [TS]

  everything is back up is correct I agree with everything you said so I'm going [TS]

  back step you know you look at you know what they say their variable costs are [TS]

  already covered by customer income well as three variable costs are out there is [TS]

  a story they were and so there there's a sort of on the verge that will link to [TS]

  that that is like kind of like a first-person account of what anyway [TS]

  willing to it and they they mentioned they had a $35,000 to rebuild it was [TS]

  about to come in that was going to be a problem and so anyway I think it's very [TS]

  it's obvious that they were not you know about to be profitable because if they [TS]

  were about to be profitable then it wouldn't be an issue to refund [TS]

  everyone's annual pre purchases because their annual pre purchases would not be [TS]

  spent already how they did it three times the current subscribers to be [TS]

  profitable [TS]

  33 times six thousand is not insurmountable with you know another [TS]

  funding round if they could have got to three times their personnel they spent [TS]

  the vast majority of the money invested on people so yeah it does not set fixed [TS]

  costs we have six people who paid him salaries and that's that's where all [TS]

  their money went and so if you can get three times as described her base you [TS]

  don't need three times the number of employees and you know they would've [TS]

  been in the black it's not on saying they were like just disclose they [TS]

  weren't that's one therapist gun they didn't make it and they didn't make a [TS]

  profit because I spent too much [TS]

  time trying to make their product better and not enough time trying to get more [TS]

  customers but you know lesson learned I mean I think they they committed a [TS]

  master of strategic error and in their product creation and in their in their [TS]

  business plan which is generally speaking when you're making a new [TS]

  service like this or a new product like this you gotta choose one extreme or the [TS]

  other [TS]

  you know like as as we learned when an underscore David Smith and I thought [TS]

  kcrw Porto Rico in in the game of Puerto Rico generally speaking you to pick one [TS]

  extreme strategy and stick with it if you try to do like a middle strategy [TS]

  that combines elements of like a ship a whole lot of good but also gonna build a [TS]

  bunch of buildings you're not going to either of them long enough to win VC [TS]

  fund company I mean web services new service like this are kind of similar in [TS]

  in the growth factor versus financing and receive no pay your bills which is [TS]

  you have to either go for something that is very cheap to scale but will attract [TS]

  tons of users very quickly in which case you can pay for it by lots of easy money [TS]

  coming in because you have tons of growth or pick something that's hard and [TS]

  expensive to do like hosting a ton of photos on s3 but don't go into that with [TS]

  a like re-growth base model upfront go into that with more bootstrapping more [TS]

  self financed model witches you shouldn't be losing money on every new [TS]

  customer and ever pics when it and you should also enter that kind of market [TS]

  with very low expenses to begin with [TS]

  not a big staff not in office you know enter the market with low at low [TS]

  expectations of profit for awhile and you know just your costs accordingly and [TS]

  instead ever picks gonna try to ride the middle day there they chose to do [TS]

  something that's very expensive to scale they chose something that it was not [TS]

  likely and maybe this is there I don't think it was ever likely to have booming [TS]

  explosive growth because the market for it is not everyone who ever takes [TS]

  pictures needs this man is driven to do this it's really only people who care [TS]

  about their photo storage and [TS]

  you know enough about photo storage to know why they would need something like [TS]

  this and that is not a big market you know relative to something like [TS]

  Instagram and end this I mean to give you some idea like Tumblr like three or [TS]

  four years into it had something like 20 terabytes of photos by my math ever [TS]

  picks had 400 terabytes or so if there if there are three bill is correct and [TS]

  so obviously they were scaling at a store example that's insane this was one [TS]

  of my main things and John to go back to what you were saying about how you know [TS]

  we always photostream kind of worked this way and it doesn't it's because [TS]

  people's photos are can vary so much inside you know the idea of her pics of [TS]

  upload all your photos to assemble store all of them forever that you're talking [TS]

  potentially hundreds of gigs for people or or even terabytes 44 people and [TS]

  that's not that uncommon of a case but Apple could absorb that easily like this [TS]

  company will be profitable with their income stream with three times the [TS]

  number of subscribers and remember like they're doing premium as they take the [TS]

  freemen of the equation even more class to be profitable $50 a year Apple just [TS]

  add $30 year spread across all its profitable product lines like you [TS]

  wouldn't even notice that and who knows how much money they're already spending [TS]

  to do photostream it seems like you know i feel like im like Apple with their [TS]

  margins in their profits and what they're already doing could easily [TS]

  absorb this business a six-person start up with a freemium model where they have [TS]

  55,000 customers but only you know 70,000 are paying can't absorb it and [TS]

  then they can they came closer they are one more funding round which they might [TS]

  have gotten that they might have gotten the time around they had started this [TS]

  company ten years ago released harder to get funding that caused people want to [TS]

  see you know Instagram or something and if they don't like math funding them no [TS]

  I mean the problem is that they were never gonna have the rate of growth [TS]

  needed to get tons of VC money to pay these ridiculous costs like they are [TS]

  paying tons and tons and tons of money as people upload massive photo [TS]

  collections and a time to like [TS]

  if the whole point your services include everything in her shot like when you [TS]

  first start using it then your storage needs don't grow slowly over time as [TS]

  people accumulate new photos your storage needs spike up at the beginning [TS]

  i mean the whole thing was a very very expensive business to run not even [TS]

  considering the staff which staffing hasn't seen them in like the staff costs [TS]

  of my best of kumar they have like five or six people so if you took away ninety [TS]

  percent of their storage cause they would be fine it's the freemium guys [TS]

  that killed them because they said hey sign for free upload your photos and you [TS]

  know that the people who are paying that that was a sustainable business it was [TS]

  if it was paid $50 bill so are all your photos because you know people have [TS]

  variable size authority but they apparently had figured out a model where [TS]

  they can store all your photos and be profitable as a six-person company with [TS]

  like seven thousand subscribers here's the problem [TS]

  $50 for a year of Amazon stories by you about 20 gigs maybe you know by the time [TS]

  they're getting into their bulk pricing may be talking 25 or 30 gigs so for [TS]

  everyone everybody I mean maybe that's the average that sounds a little low to [TS]

  me that for anybody who would use a service like this that sounds like I [TS]

  should 26 in a year they were doing I'm pretty sure they're doing lossy [TS]

  compression though so they could find ice compression did this report draws [TS]

  that matter the line that that that makes it like five times but it was not [TS]

  that was that I was thinking about going in the middle road like they had they [TS]

  had a thing for the thought this could be for everybody but they weren't story [TS]

  draws and they were doing you know if I can prob lossy compression thought [TS]

  things to professional photographers would never accept and depressing I [TS]

  think was priced like that it's like $50 year there's not a thing for [TS]

  professional photographers it's a thing for everybody responds access all the [TS]

  pictures from everywhere and wants to know they're safe and if you type person [TS]

  as well you're not save my rose my pictures are really safe this is not [TS]

  this is not the the service fee right so they were they had they had a Miss [TS]

  balance of their business model and their funding but and they made mistakes [TS]

  but it's not entirely crazy because I think this same company like a set of [TS]

  the same company in 10 years ago and that BC environment [TS]

  are not to use it as a crash but like at this point I think it's getting harder [TS]

  to find [TS]

  VC funding for a company in the state of this thing was whereas when you're in [TS]

  the midst of a run up our bubble people like oh my god you have actually paying [TS]

  customers and you you know you have a product of people like here take our [TS]

  money but now they're like paying customers that means you're never gonna [TS]

  grow that fast and yeah people like your product but who cares not know thanks [TS]

  will pass like it's the curse of its business model if you didn't take money [TS]

  from anybody then you would be on you know the the Instagram that thing is we [TS]

  have no revenue we don't take money from anybody well not this Brandon you know [TS]

  if that was the case then they're using number would be impressive and it wasn't [TS]

  a no then you then you have the potential for explosive growth so they [TS]

  were in this is an unfortunate situation and I think about it as I get the [TS]

  feeling that the vultures surrounding them both of these and other companies [TS]

  were like why would we ever by a company when we just wait for you to run out of [TS]

  money and then school of the technology which is seems to have been what [TS]

  happened because it's like you don't need the company and you don't need to [TS]

  invest in the company of you don't think it's gonna be the next Instagram if you [TS]

  think technologies just anxious wait sit back and wait and then after it all goes [TS]

  down I bet you can get the technology involved it's true you know I I will [TS]

  firstly real-time follow someone in the child who lost you name it was posted a [TS]

  tweet from one of the gentleman that works never pick saying we use [TS]

  perceptually lossless five X compression you're right about that john [TS]

  perceptually loss means lossy it's like personally spoke but you know the thing [TS]

  that I really take issue with us on the market said a few minutes ago which is [TS]

  you know this isn't for everyone and i actually strongly disagree I think ever [TS]

  picks in principle was maybe not literally for everyone but was for any [TS]

  normal human being that shoots pictures with any device that they don't wanna [TS]

  lose which is to say almost everyone I mean we don't have kids but if we were [TS]

  to lose some of the pictures we've taken vacations of family gatherings [TS]

  goofin off at BWW in South Carolina if we lost those pictures I'd be devastated [TS]

  and after pics was such an easy and recently a cheap way of getting yourself [TS]

  a backup in John I completely agree with what you said a while back that this is [TS]

  just one leg in a chair that holds up all of your all of your pictures and [TS]

  make sure they're safe but it was it it's a very easy way to do that and if [TS]

  you think about it I don't think most people that I know use a crash plan or [TS]

  back please or anything like that and so getting all of your pictures into the [TS]

  cloud is such an improvement over having no backup or just having time machine [TS]

  which by the way most people I know don't use either in so I agree with you [TS]

  guys that you know this probably was doomed and Marco your analogy while [TS]

  ridiculous is actually fairly accurate but on the other side of the coin I I [TS]

  strongly disagree that this wasn't for everyone it may not appeal to everyone [TS]

  but I think it should have [TS]

  it's not it's not it's not for everyone in this sense the Markham as it is not [TS]

  that everyone can benefit from this because they can it's that it's not of [TS]

  interest to everyone which i think is totally true like rush to it right if [TS]

  you wanted if you for everyone doesn't mean like if I were a difference to have [TS]

  this day we get benefit everyone would get benefit from the question is is this [TS]

  a type of product that if you talk to describe to anyone they are merely says [TS]

  oh yeah I totally would like that and yeah here's a few dollars and yes that [TS]

  was definitely no because this type of thing that people don't really know that [TS]

  they need and it's also the type of thing that we've been conditioned by [TS]

  sort of modern computing platforms to assume is a platform level concern my [TS]

  car doesn't take care of that for me it doesn't Google take care of that for me [TS]

  and it really properly should be a platform levinson which is why I kept [TS]

  saying someone should I ever picks because it's like you know is the type [TS]

  of third party thing we like whoever my platform vendor is should be providing [TS]

  some way for me to do this weather is paying for iCloud storage or you know as [TS]

  part of my really expensive phone or as part of my Google account they get all [TS]

  their personal information or would like it should be a platform level concern [TS]

  and so people aren't going to say I'll pay extra 50 bucks to this other [TS]

  companies [TS]

  this thing that yeah I make it valuable but it's not something that the only [TS]

  people who really bothered by the crazy people like us who think about backups [TS]

  and stuff and that's the terrible thing about every basis most people don't [TS]

  think they need this at all even though they do and if you gave it to them for [TS]

  free they would probably enjoy it but they're not going to go out and buy it [TS]

  and if you have something people are going to go out and buy you basically [TS]

  have a business that's quote unquote not for everyone because everyone does not [TS]

  come to you to buy it and it's a subtle distinction but it's an important one [TS]

  when you're sitting there waiting for the customers to arrive [TS]

  also I want to address 22 quick follow-up here one the idea that Apple [TS]

  should just do this for everyone it is to put it bluntly it is not that easy [TS]

  because Apple is so big and the number of iOS devices being used in having [TS]

  Photoshop them is so large that like s3 isn't big enough for that [TS]

  like that's the kind of scalar talking about their too big for s3 and doing [TS]

  doing something like this on Apple scale is such a completely different ball game [TS]

  then doing it on the scale of a new web service with with you know 10,000 50,000 [TS]

  whenever users this is it's not even close to the same game number two the [TS]

  idea that a startup is only worth it is worth a lot less once they've made any [TS]

  money at all is mostly not true in practice in practice growth matters [TS]

  above above everything even if you aren't making a whole lot of money right [TS]

  now if you are getting user growth trafficker of the tension growth but [TS]

  especially user growth that papers over everything that's what the entire VC [TS]

  road as is based on is just the stock market is the potential for future money [TS]

  and if you've made some money now but it it's been disappointing but your user of [TS]

  this totally through the roof that doesn't mean you're worthless it means [TS]

  you didn't try to write business plan yet arrived revenue plan yet but that [TS]

  doesn't mean there isn't one if you have user growth PCs will give you money . [TS]

  yeah but like the easiest way to get that explosive growth in to make people [TS]

  believe that there's going to be explosive growth is to not charge any [TS]

  money money friendly because then people will truly believe all this can scale to [TS]

  all the people who have computers as soon as you charge any money for anybody [TS]

  for anything [TS]

  like well that automatically puts a cap on your potential growth rate because [TS]

  you're asking for money . totally agree but if I'm saying if your actual growth [TS]

  rate is really good regardless of where they are charging for anything if your [TS]

  actual growth rate is is consistently good you'll keep getting VC money and [TS]

  that's why BC funded companies are we always give everything away for free [TS]

  because you're correct that since the whole game is based on growth for as [TS]

  long as possible [TS]

  the last thing you want to do is inhibit growth by charging money for any part of [TS]

  the product growth rate was not great and they kept telling their conversion [TS]

  rate was very good but your conversion rate doesn't matter if you're converting [TS]

  on you know lots of people who are not growing fast enough [TS]

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  know it actually before we move into the review follow-up that a lot of people [TS]

  wondering what are the alternatives sapir pics I can only speak for myself [TS]

  and about you guys but I haven't looked into any i'm not the chance but the [TS]

  three that that we are aware of our loom picture light and adobe is a travel is [TS]

  that right yeah okay and those are the three that were where Gianmarco if you [TS]

  have anything to add about those three but those are the ones that are the [TS]

  obvious ones rebels interesting I I have a brief a conflict of interest and that [TS]

  they sponsored by sight when it launched travel for like something like eight [TS]

  weeks in a row but [TS]

  it's it's an interesting product I think it it seems as though a dubious not [TS]

  paying attention to it recently and maybe I don't know Adobe it seems like [TS]

  the Lightroom team is rocking it with with the success of Lightroom and I wish [TS]

  these things were just part of Lightroom and it seems like there's no good reason [TS]

  or rather have a good reason but I wish revel was just like a Lightroom cloud [TS]

  and it's not it's a separate thing you can publish to it but it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't store Roth and stuff like dad and and it kinda tries to bridge the gap [TS]

  between consumer and pro- and and doesn't really satisfy either of them [TS]

  amazingly and so it's kind of an odd product and it seems like it's kind of [TS]

  getting lost and those complexity but I'm what I would love really is [TS]

  Lightroom cloud like I would pay a good price for that basically have the Revel [TS]

  ability to store them online just have some nails and stuff on iOS devices and [TS]

  be able to download anything by tapping it to have that but integrated fully [TS]

  with Lightroom and and sporting raw that would be amazing but doesn't exist I [TS]

  haven't tried any of these services you there although I did look at all their [TS]

  pages and the one thing they all have in common is much higher prices than ever [TS]

  picks so take take that for whatever you will [TS]

  chances of surviving better than ever picks but they were so mean I don't know [TS]

  if anything even have a freemium model I think they'll just charge of practice of [TS]

  the games I don't have been investigated but they may be out looking to the mall [TS]

  and try but one of the things that I found attractive about every picture was [TS]

  that it was so inexpensive it's kind of like the like Backblaze when they first [TS]

  came out many many years ago that I call the company will be out of business [TS]

  because they charge in like five dollars a month for unlimited backup how can [TS]

  that be sustainable and here we are many many years later and they're still [TS]

  around and they have competitors and apparently been able to make that work [TS]

  wanna go back to bite mark was saying before about how [TS]

  Apple scale be much larger I think that's true but never picks said they [TS]

  would be profitable three Xe subscriber and that's $50 year per person right so [TS]

  Apple will have three thousand three hundred thousand times our subscriber [TS]

  aid so presumably if it's profitable three times the rate will be profitable [TS]

  300,000 and I think Apple is especially position to be even more cost effective [TS]

  in this thing because I had to pay s3 which means Amazon gets to skim some [TS]

  profit off the topic is their reasoning storage service Apple presumably would [TS]

  implement its own storage solution or have its own already something something [TS]

  his own storage so that it doesn't have to give Amazon a some other company a [TS]

  piece of its profit and that's even before you get into you know I was [TS]

  talking about like ok we'll take some of your massive profit from your other [TS]

  product lines and plowed into that which presumably is what they're doing with [TS]

  the iCloud storage which must be subsidized by their other products and [TS]

  stuff and iCloud storage I don't know how it compares to $50 a year for [TS]

  unlimited but again I feel like I've ever pics with their technology that [TS]

  they were using was able to be profitable at fifty dollars a year if [TS]

  Apple charge $50 a year and they would stop store all your photos in iCloud for [TS]

  you and then just put the most recent thousand on your phone or something they [TS]

  would have i think a a service that is the very least breaks even if not make a [TS]

  profit on someone you know you mean the issue I don't think about profitability [TS]

  would just be just dealing with that scale would be a ton of Engineering time [TS]

  and and and resources just to deal with the scale not necessarily the raw costs [TS]

  of ok we at we're paying for this many servers in this much bandwidth like it [TS]

  it it's not that it's like the massive engineering effort required to operate [TS]

  something about scale where something like three is is really not suitable and [TS]

  by the way and its three is not cheap I mean none none of his web services are [TS]

  cheap and it does this culture in and text arabs these days that the default [TS]

  of your starting a thing the default answer is it hosted all on Amazon Web [TS]

  Services and that is not cost effective at all for almost anything you do it on [TS]

  Amazon Web Services because the scaling is effectively free up to a limit that [TS]

  so hard [TS]

  even tumblr probably hasn't reached yet although Apple I think would with with [TS]

  that data set but you know you're talking on scales very very easily with [TS]

  some of their services [TS]

  ec2 maybe s3 definitely and you pay a big premium for that if you if your [TS]

  entire business like back to back losses based on s3 they would not be able to [TS]

  offer that kind of pricing that play is made very famously made their own [TS]

  storage servers like they design their own storage servers with massive numbers [TS]

  are harder I screamed in this case they even open source the design something [TS]

  like that and you know they they actually design custom hardware to get [TS]

  tons of storage as cheaply as possible and that's why they can offer that if [TS]

  your entire business is storing a very large amount of data for as little money [TS]

  as possible [TS]

  s3 is not actually a good fit for you that's not going to scale very well but [TS]

  it's the easy you no quick fix up front at least while you figure out whether [TS]

  your business has legs at the problems ever pics did you get in without a big [TS]

  putting a bunch of money down because investor it's like a zero dollars and [TS]

  you put your first bite of storage and you pay for that first bite of storage [TS]

  and you keep going and eventually becomes ridiculous and unsustainable [TS]

  because now you're giving all your father Martin's to Amazon but unless you [TS]

  get off the ground for companies like Apple though at a certain point it is [TS]

  going to become the price of entry if you are platform vendor my Google [TS]

  already there were there like you know people are certain things people to [TS]

  start to expect like a long time ago Apple didn't give you an email address [TS]

  and nowadays you are the platform vendor even a lot of people don't use it and [TS]

  even if your thing doesn't become the most popular e-mail think Apple has to [TS]

  offer people a way that like a and iCloud icon [TS]

  is a core part of the business know where they're going through Gmail or [TS]

  Hotmail know but it's the price of entry you just have to do that but you're [TS]

  gonna have an email application of you know you and so it a certain point I [TS]

  hope eventually a price of entry will be of course whoever my platform vendor is [TS]

  will store all my pictures for me in the cloud as you know some yearly fee part [TS]

  of my cell phone plan you know some way to get enough money to cover the cost [TS]

  for that it's it'll become the price of entry because Google is almost already [TS]

  doing it and if people get used to that it is terrible for Apple to be like well [TS]

  let me show you this diagram showing you where your pictures are and how much [TS]

  money you have to pay it and if which device burns down which photos you lose [TS]

  it what time just wanna know how to think about it and so if it's difficult [TS]

  to do and they can't do it because why would you give Amazon all that money [TS]

  Apple supposed to do it themselves Apple has to figure out a way to do it it's [TS]

  time is coming where there is gonna have to face the music and just do it all [TS]

  over again I make the same argument made last we talked about that which is that [TS]

  the reality is that that people's photos and God especially videos are so large [TS]

  file size was that you're into pretty severe upstream bandwidth problems and [TS]

  data cap problems if you try to do a lot of this like any other one of the [TS]

  problems that ever picks had is that for every pics to be useful to you had a lot [TS]

  of photos to a lot of people just don't have a fast enough connection to do that [TS]

  in a reasonable time its online back that's a problem for a lot of people and [TS]

  i think that limitation of just been with not catching up very quickly and [TS]

  when it does catch up [TS]

  you start getting data caps a fight that you know that's that's all we can be a [TS]

  problem and and as bandwidth increases so will photo size and so will the [TS]

  amount of videos people take their bandwidth is already running photos and [TS]

  video you're still true [TS]

  video it's a big problem is getting a long time to get the video and I don't [TS]

  think porque videos around the corner but 1080p video was already way too big [TS]

  for him I do but I think photos I think we're already there for photos by I [TS]

  think anybody with a photo collection [TS]

  and anywhere you would call broadband thing is going to take off all your [TS]

  photos will eventually go up which is not true video so I think I think we've [TS]

  it's kinda like the bullet passed the point where you could download music on [TS]

  Napster but you couldn't download feature length movies we're at that [TS]

  point you can do [TS]

  photos alright if most people don't have brought OJ pics and yes the pictures are [TS]

  getting bigger but I think bandwidth is getting bigger faster Minnesota casey [TS]

  was LTE nirvana is amazed at speed again something like that for the speed that [TS]

  he gets on his phone is sufficient for any photo collection of anybody who's [TS]

  been a lot less than a hundred years and you know takes a dozen pictures a day [TS]

  and night I think I think we've passed the phone around that activity of some [TS]

  extent of the problem but I would say for Apple they can just call we don't [TS]

  backup your videos is what can they do with videos 1080p is just too much data [TS]

  already from you know maybe maybe when they do teach 265 whatever the neck [TS]

  standard is i think thats I got the number right that supposed to give you [TS]

  another to access to react compression thing with no loss maybe we start and [TS]

  then like LTE becomes common in people's broadband has to at least match out to [TS]

  you then maybe we start to enter the promo video but like I said if we ever [TS]

  gonna for cage starts all over again but pictures I think I'm gonna probably top [TS]

  out at like 30 40 or 50 megapixels like regular people are never going to want [TS]

  more pixels than that and their images because of what you gonna do put on the [TS]

  side of a building like it's big enough to get 24 by 24 inch printed right and [TS]

  so I think that will top out and I think we passed that so you know if available [TS]

  to start trying to do it now they're not going to wait until then within carrier [TS]

  and its ok now now that we feel like we can so comfortably doing everything [TS]

  uploaded whole photo collection an hour now is do they got to start now they [TS]

  have started somewhere photostream as just a it's kind of a shame to do a [TS]

  solution they should just try to do the whole thing and you know the boys now [TS]

  yeah we've spent quite a bit of trash talking about ever pics I think that's [TS]

  because I i know i speak for myself and probably both of you that that I'm [TS]

  really bummed that left any other thoughts that real quick before we move [TS]

  along [TS]

  prob matters in the chatroom thinks that upload bandwidth stop problem I point to [TS]

  Casey's phone you had good upload speeds around it wasn't just download the UN [TS]

  press load speed on that LTE I forget something to try to look but it was [TS]

  something to the order of like fifteen 15 which 15 megabits up that's plenty [TS]

  and that's on a phone I can everyone will have a phone wireless upload speeds [TS]

  are fine [TS]

  home broadband tablets be too terrible I know but like if that happens [TS]

  home broadband by the people who are selling LCE because like everyone [TS]

  already knows they need a cell phone that everyone is eventually get healthy [TS]

  self on and that's a bad for cable companies if they can get their acts [TS]

  together to get their upload bandwidth better than people realize they have [TS]

  faster upload bandwidth from their iPad their iPhone and that's not even a [TS]

  problem perhaps respect everyone's taking pictures with their iPhone and [TS]

  it's already on LTE you know there you go you upload bandwidth data compliments [TS]

  I mean like it's there's not there's no clear path for this immediately like you [TS]

  know maybe you know maybe in five years [TS]

  typical carrier data caps will be two or three times as high who knows maybe they [TS]

  won't be the same or lower [TS]

  you know who knows all data caps artificial those who like that that is [TS]

  the type of thing that can change without people running new copper or [TS]

  putting up new cell towers are doing infrastructure things some someone just [TS]

  you know changes the number in a spreadsheet and all of a sudden you're [TS]

  allowed to upload I guess not I feel like that's the type of thing that will [TS]

  solve it and and sometimes there's also issues with with like radio spectrum [TS]

  space and crowding of the towers though i mean they're like none of the scales [TS]

  particularly gracefully and all of its controlled by companies that [TS]

  historically have not shown much of a willingness to lower prices over time or [TS]

  to give you more overtime you never know what's gonna lead though because [TS]

  sometimes it's competition amongst the people providing the service will [TS]

  compete with each other all files coming now when you do it you know soon as [TS]

  filed under seal the cable ppl cranked up their their bandwidth and everything [TS]

  you know is that that's one level competition the other level competition [TS]

  is if there's something on the net that draws customers customers will you know [TS]

  will be will be drawn to it like oh I've gotta have Netflix and Netflix doesn't [TS]

  work on time [TS]

  able to pick something out of a hat because i dont have enough bandwidth is [TS]

  terrible I'm going to find a new ISP assume he has any competition all which [TS]

  is another big problem but I'm going to find otherwise even if its wireless or [TS]

  WiMAX or whatever the hell is going to be cause I need to watch Netflix and [TS]

  then in that case Netflix's the draw so you have forces on both size and I think [TS]

  the forces on the side of competition on service providers are so terrible that [TS]

  we should be relying on the force [TS]

  make this thing on the net the people want and you'll get pissy if they can [TS]

  get it and if the part of the thing is so all my photos are backed up and safe [TS]

  because I have a decent ISP or my caps are whatever your reason you should [TS]

  switch to t-mobile Sprint or whoever the hungry competitors who gives you some [TS]

  insane no limit [TS]

  you know t-mobile doing like the 200 megabytes tree man with it ever despite [TS]

  the incredible dysfunction in our thing I think if you make a product or service [TS]

  out there that everybody wants they'll be pissed if they can't get it and [TS]

  they'll be pissed at their carry-on that will look for any alternative that the [TS]

  market opportunity for the people who are currently losing and the market to [TS]

  do something so real-time follow-up from myself I just ran speedtest on my phone [TS]

  on LTE and I got 25 megabits down in 15 and told the story at least once or [TS]

  twice before but outside again when I bought our house in 2008 I was arguably [TS]

  more excited about getting files and I was about owning our first home and at [TS]

  that point in time the reasonable mack daddy service was fifteen 15 and that [TS]

  was just 2008 which is just five years ago and on my cellular telephone I just [TS]

  got 2515 at this point where we're past the point which photo uploads are doable [TS]

  over even LTE with the exception of the data caps like we talked about how much [TS]

  do you like not counting uploading photos but just like regular phone use [TS]

  I'd say between one and two gigs and in general month and I don't even know how [TS]

  to be with you cuz I'm on wifi always but somehow or another I find a way it [TS]

  has been a doesn't do sell filtering you for the temple I'm not a week there is [TS]

  no I was gonna say it was like four hundred megs for the months [TS]

  our second punch this week is FCM space shuttle this is this is interesting this [TS]

  this is a new title sponsor for us [TS]

  FSI as in flight simulator Epsom space shuttle is an iOS and Android [TS]

  flight simulator that is highly realistic and it's designed to simulate [TS]

  specifically the landing of the USS space shuttle in its final descent into [TS]

  Kennedy or Edwards Air Force Base when I first saw this as I have a whole app for [TS]

  that and then I tried the app it's incredibly detailed I mean they've gotta [TS]

  read the reviews I mean their views back this up and it's not just you know [TS]

  paying us to say this like this is creepy view on the Mac Observer I'm not [TS]

  really a flight sim person in general but you can look at people who are [TS]

  flight sim people and you can see what they say about this and they just love [TS]

  this thing [TS]

  it simulates various TV special in his new can configure everything you can [TS]

  challenge yourself you can let me let me turn on a major major turbulence and [TS]

  I'll do it at night with really cloudy visibility and all simulate the failure [TS]

  of one of these instruments or you know the my flaps homework or something like [TS]

  that and I'll have to talk to still try to land it well under these challenging [TS]

  conditions or you can just do it straight and do it under a perfectly [TS]

  clear conditions and try to get it exactly right without running down too [TS]

  hard and putting too much force on the landing gear or you know being unsafe or [TS]

  or missing the glide path things like that it's really interesting like I I [TS]

  didn't realize there is a whole world around this stuff until we receive this [TS]

  app for your review for the spot and I have to admit I'm terrible at it I mean [TS]

  I i've tried and tried and tried to challenge myself and the best I can get [TS]

  is what they call a crash landing which is like that you don't crash but you've [TS]

  landed hard enough [TS]

  re no wrong enough they've put too much force on certain parts and it's not [TS]

  proper and could be unsafe so there there's the crash which I haven't done [TS]

  there's the proper land in which I haven't [TS]

  and in the middle there's the crash landing which is what I keep getting [TS]

  it's it's like it's an exercise in precision and just like you know [TS]

  practice and self-control it's really cool the graphics are amazing by the way [TS]

  like this is you know flight sims are always again I don't know that much [TS]

  about flight sims but I've always noticed that they've always been amazing [TS]

  visuals with with the graphic and everything and this is an exceptionally [TS]

  play the center right now I Pad it's an iPhone too and I didn't both but I meant [TS]

  it looks fantastic especially right now iPad so check out F same space shuttle [TS]

  its effort dash yes I am you can search in the App Store or you can go to SSIM [TS]

  with or without the dash doesn't matter [TS]

  FSI it's only $4 us- and probably some similar amount elsewhere [TS]

  available for iPhone iPad iPod Touch and Android check out the screenshots check [TS]

  out they have videos it's not like an arcade game or anything but if you like [TS]

  flight sims you will like this I think the amazing thing they did about it is [TS]

  that when you get to think about flight seems like that you like all this is [TS]

  going to be difficult for me I'm not gonna be able to do it is going to be [TS]

  too many buttons is gonna be too fidgety the amazing thing about this game is [TS]

  that you can started and just start playing out don't read a single thing [TS]

  don't don't don't read the Help don't look at the controls on doing just start [TS]

  the game and play it and you can successfully do what you think is a [TS]

  landing until it tells you that it is technically a crash landing as you just [TS]

  jammed up the space shuttle into the ground [TS]

  way too fast and you'll get a low-scoring you feel bad but the point [TS]

  is you don't have no idea what do you can immediately pick it up and use it in [TS]

  the one thing I really like about this game is that I hate games with tilt [TS]

  controls but this came when you do the tilt controls and I don't have any other [TS]

  games but I think they all should now that I've seen it when you tilt the iPad [TS]

  the picture stays levels like the horizon stays level with your eyes even [TS]

  as you till the iPad and Tilton the iPad is how you control you know nothing from [TS]

  left to right but the image on the screen doesn't tell there's nothing [TS]

  worse than playing like a game like this driving games are you try to turn the [TS]

  steering wheel and the whole world tilt when you tilt the screen [TS]

  I hate all those games this works in that mode if this option to turn on a [TS]

  motive that's what you prefer but I vastly prefer the mode where as i turn [TS]

  the iPad the horizon does not tell the tilt with me unless until the things [TS]

  like rolling so it's that made it immediately accessible now playing like [TS]

  I played just long enough to BWS course cuz you as a terrible but my best is [TS]

  like seven thousand which is terrible [TS]

  my best like forty thousand my scars but the 40,000 still were crash landings it [TS]

  is really hard and I'm playing like with you know I'm not turning on the [TS]

  inclement weather or did you download whatever this is a game that if you're [TS]

  into it you can you can pick it up immediately and do it and then you if [TS]

  you are obsessive flight sends you could I don't know how long will take you [TS]

  should do this perfectly forget about failures forget about like that you know [TS]

  that this thing doesn't work in the wind picks up just can you actually do [TS]

  perfect landing in perfect weather visibility and no thanks I think that [TS]

  would take you a long time so this this is an extremely deep game that [TS]

  nevertheless you can pick up and just immediately play and do something with [TS]

  it short like if you do a final approach it's it's like enough two minutes worth [TS]

  of gameplay it's not something to be there for seven hours fly across the [TS]

  country and Microsoft Flight Simulator you know right that's what I was going [TS]

  to say to really quickly wrap up the spot that it's a really good online [TS]

  gamer online depending on who you ask [TS]

  in that it's only a couple minutes long and so unlike say flight control which [TS]

  is a very great game but could last forever if you do well no matter what [TS]

  your gonna win that shuttle so it's a matter of just a couple of minutes it [TS]

  really works well when you just have a couple minutes to kill which is when I [TS]

  typically play these kinds of short games as the building where the shuttle [TS]

  no no engines you're going to land the show go for now I'm gonna come into [TS]

  another protein me to set the engines and circle back it's going down like [TS]

  iraq if you don't do it right it's it's definitely an extra twist on a flight [TS]

  simulator lennox I'm accustomed to ok I'm coming to let alone a little let me [TS]

  let me just boost my energy is low but here to give me know this none of that [TS]

  going down up its glitter yeah anyways thanks a lot to F same space shuttle [TS]

  you can find it on iOS or Android app stores FSI [TS]

  com so John when you install Mavericks do you do a fresh install a new update [TS]

  and I should say that this is from mister Mike there's a series of [TS]

  questions which I will be to him so did do a fresh install always doing and I [TS]

  was 10 I did I did manually enter I would do it in a classic there's I do a [TS]

  fresh install and then I would manually bring over all the little files they [TS]

  were part of the system folder because you know I'd like to thank me later [TS]

  merged together but then came I realized at their way too many files from you to [TS]

  do that man you anymore and I didn't know them I can do that like the back of [TS]

  my hand like under the classic ones and be once I started doing the update [TS]

  installs and saw that it didn't lose my settings because that was the old slam [TS]

  against classic my glasses if you try to do an update install you could lose some [TS]

  of your settings right over your preferences when they want it was not [TS]

  friendly but honesty is always been pretty good about that so I always doing [TS]

  up to install so much so that I probably have pls files and companies and long [TS]

  since gone out of business just lurking inside my library folder and its fine [TS]

  works on year after year I was doing updates do you have auto app updates on [TS]

  Iran I'm assuming they're asking on the Mac iMac no I don't I haven't really [TS]

  decided to run into in the Mac I think probably I want just because I don't [TS]

  want to be bothered by like the little dialogue so we we have an update ready [TS]

  like all you need to do is restart dinner and animal start your install I [TS]

  would rather be bothered by a little badge on the App Store sometime then be [TS]

  bothered by the oh we've I know it's a man not a bother is just the files on [TS]

  your desk it's not at the same kind of name but it makes me feel worse when it [TS]

  says we've already downloaded in fact to see all you need to do is restart and [TS]

  will start the installer and somehow that still bothers me so I still have it [TS]

  set to manual now for family members computers where you have them on auto I [TS]

  don't know I think I would put I would put a family member that I wasn't going [TS]

  to be a real life I go visit my parents in Colorado I think I would put them on [TS]

  auto update after update them as I'm not going to be there to every once in [TS]

  awhile run updates for them [TS]

  but for computer in my house I won't set my wife's computer to auto-update like [TS]

  if I'm not going to be there I decided not to update to these have some [TS]

  confidence that updates are being played in some fashion at some point but if I [TS]

  have access to the machine anyway I'd rather handle that myself just like you [TS]

  know like I wouldn't put my life and art of the day because what are some up [TS]

  there and she didn't like it like I wanna I wanna be able to clearly it's [TS]

  one that when I'm far away I'd rather just have the others run so I guess it's [TS]

  a distance in then what are your thoughts on the early release cycle [TS]

  preview I got the impression that you have some concerns at large important [TS]

  features will have a hard time fitting in it was mostly mostly the idea that [TS]

  people shouldn't feel like it has to do yearly updates just because i OS does [TS]

  your the updates just like as if we didn't have yearly updates people would [TS]

  say all they're ignoring the Mac and the reason I worry about it is because if [TS]

  you're always in the yearly update cycle it's more difficult not impossible but [TS]

  more difficult to do [TS]

  features that can be done in a year because then you got a sort of like half [TS]

  to them while you all the while you're tracking the two versions of OS 10 that [TS]

  its slide by underneath you and see which one you can Landon and that is [TS]

  little more uncomfortable like well if we had 18 months or even two years we [TS]

  could do a really impressive update and in the middle of that a team of the [TS]

  two-year cycle we don't really have anything releasable that's worthwhile so [TS]

  why bother going through this overhead for each releases overhead for you know [TS]

  the process and putting out the end mktg msgs figure out what it is you're going [TS]

  to highlight in like a special housing is freezing like your foregoing any [TS]

  income that you could have gotten in there so I'll be perfectly fine with [TS]

  them sort of slacking off with it I think Apple thinks that they need to do [TS]

  every year every year yet a new Mac OS and they're both free and I understand [TS]

  why they're doing it I just think that it's actually going to delay some [TS]

  interesting new features more so than they would be if the OS 10 releases are [TS]

  allowed to come out sort of as they naturally want to make sense [TS]

  can you estimate how much time he took on your review [TS]

  just track based on when the whining began amount amount online I had a huge [TS]

  amount written before I ever went to watc this year than right here in front [TS]

  of it had lots of notes and stuff you know things to look into it but like I [TS]

  do we know anything before we do anything of substance no I don't think [TS]

  we don't even have we didn't have bills but in heaven's name we didn't have like [TS]

  oh here's what's going to be in the OS you know and like insider henceforth in [TS]

  on the ground it's not like there wasn't in all the stories about it here's my [TS]

  pin 10.9 there wasn't even like the whole you know when I'm gonna be about [TS]

  energy saving that even that big rumor was not in the air before it if you say [TS]

  so I don't have much so I guess you could probably track it for him you know [TS]

  as soon as the over this is done I not a single reason I haven't created many [TS]

  document pretend 10 yet but I guess when I do I'll mention it on the air once I [TS]

  have anything to put in document I make it and I'll start adding stuff to it but [TS]

  I didn't do any started doing real work until they see and then it just works [TS]

  straight through from one but his WBC june july I forgot this year or early [TS]

  June yeah until October and you know someone that I work on it you know after [TS]

  the kids were in bed and towards the raptor the Endicott guy stole a couple [TS]

  weekend days when my wife would take the kids out somewhere during the day and I [TS]

  get some work done during the day as well I don't know you to add up the [TS]

  hours it's not as long as it seems [TS]

  again this is not my full-time job as many people don't know it's what I do on [TS]

  nights and weekends and your guests hibernate for the entire you know maybe [TS]

  I should post on my blog can happen [TS]

  weird if my life is wake up get the kids out of the house for the practice you [TS]

  know get them off to school go to work [TS]

  pick the kids up making dinner yeah you know get them to bed [TS]

  go to our kind of you go to sleep like that so I can't sustain that for that's [TS]

  that's too I need down time I desperately need some kind of down time [TS]

  right to sit like a vegetable and don't do something with my brain sometimes [TS]

  at the end of a long day at work I don't want to use my brain anymore like its [TS]

  work on not just like to lay my thumbs I'm using my brain and programming like [TS]

  that can that can burn you out and plus and sometimes like that down time I'm [TS]

  sure you know about this like where you spend the day programming right when you [TS]

  come home and that break we're not doing anything we're just making dinner and [TS]

  you just you know watching some TV show or whatever that's when your brain is [TS]

  working on the program problems that you encounter that day so when you comin the [TS]

  next morning [TS]

  now you have a much better approach to that problem and it may be occurred to [TS]

  you during dinner in the shower in the morning or whatever and if you didn't [TS]

  have that down time if you just SAT there plugging away the problem you [TS]

  never want to come up with that it's almost like some of those and you know [TS]

  what I should stop working soon as soon as I stopped working and I bring showing [TS]

  that it became obvious that stupid do it this way and then you go in the next [TS]

  morning already that's just dumped out your fingers up up up up up dun dun dun [TS]

  I worked on it for three hours before I went home yesterday and got nowhere and [TS]

  all I need to do is stop working let me bring still for a couple hours go to [TS]

  sleep wake up and you know fifteen minutes of work and it's like yep that's [TS]

  what I should've done last night so that's the way I feel and if I if I try [TS]

  to take that time my brain was working at work programme problems and so switch [TS]

  gears now you gotta work on a whole other thing work work work like you burn [TS]

  out so I really tried to save the crunch time for just like a couple of weeks or [TS]

  maybe a month of crunch time where it's like know every waking moment after do [TS]

  and even then I tried to give myself down time you home sacrificing sleep [TS]

  like ok I can stop writing for the night at eleven o'clock when you're watching [TS]

  TV and then go to bed because I need that are half as likely to impress [TS]

  there's also a little bit of feedback from Michael James Boyle I guess this is [TS]

  about the ebook is that right [TS]

  asking about like how the eBook stores handle updates on his very bad and the [TS]

  question really is if you do stuff to you block you make notes highlights and [TS]

  just like that and then you update the ebook how well does eg bookstore [TS]

  handle that updating process to lose all your notes all your bookmarks and all [TS]

  your highlights and everything [TS]

  artists try to incorporate them and so he gave the answer for how I books works [TS]

  and he said it does not lose everything you have it tries its best to preserve [TS]

  it and doesn't do a good job but it's better than deleting everything so even [TS]

  highlights of passages of text that have not changed the highlights will be off [TS]

  because they'll be shifted rather text or other things but the house will be [TS]

  there on the notes will be there and so you could like in theory if this book [TS]

  hasn't changed that much [TS]

  manually fix them which is vastly preferable to wiping out everything but [TS]

  it's not as great as like we figured out they had a paragraph here so I'm just [TS]

  gonna shift all my other highlights down but I can find where they begin running [TS]

  diff intelligently in traffic though this was inserted here and then should [TS]

  have said something literally just like storing a text offset and land for a [TS]

  much better than nothing I mean like for example one of the updates my iBook say [TS]

  I did was I changed all the you know the primes and double crimes into girly [TS]

  quotes in you know smart apostrophes and everything and that will totally skip [TS]

  who was trying to say to track the text of the texts any sort of contraction in [TS]

  the quotation mark the Texas different you know like that would totally throw [TS]

  off any kind of diff algorithm less than a gram of also smart enough to know this [TS]

  character is more or less that 10 so it's very difficult to do this correctly [TS]

  but I think Apple solution of doing it badly but attempting it is way better [TS]

  than we're used to be the Kindle solution I'm not sure it still is like [TS]

  you lose everything [TS]

  no no trace tough locks anyway let's wrap it up for the week thanks a lot to [TS]

  our to sponsor this week however and Epsom space shuttle and we will see you [TS]

  next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

  Casey because it was a joke and you can tell thats Casey list and Markel [TS]

  before the show started in earnest in the office with me and so I played the [TS]

  life he just to hear what drivel you were putting all of our beloved [TS]

  listeners through and she said to me something he never get to pick the music [TS]

  music music terrible speaking of your terrible music there's someone in the [TS]

  chatroom name is asking what my opinion of a Dave Matthews Band is and I think [TS]

  I've talked about it before and this is the actual show but my opinion Dave [TS]

  Matthews Band is that they're not a jam band and I know that is a a contentious [TS]

  take among DMB fans but I a jam badly people don't really know people who are [TS]

  not really fans of jam bands rarely have added you are you really going strong [TS]

  and most people who are big jam band fan for most people who are not jamming fans [TS]

  think that what makes exam bandage a man as they play really long songs and [TS]

  that's not really it that that happens to be a side effect they usually do play [TS]

  long songs although you know we're not talking like half hour songs usually [TS]

  that that might happen like once every three years that they might play a three [TS]

  hour 35 minute song you know most fish on July eight minutes long you know it's [TS]

  by pop standards yet it's long but you know we're not talking like a foul every [TS]

  night but a a jam band is really a lot more about improvisation and and style [TS]

  it really is a genre and not eight not necessarily a type if that makes sense [TS]

  and so there aren't that many of them that anyone's ever heard there's a very [TS]

  very small number so I think Dave Matthews Band of really a rock / not [TS]

  really pop or rock band that happens played a song a little bit longer live [TS]

  sometimes but for the most part you're still hearing like for the most part [TS]

  here in the album version the song every time just as much as a real gem angry [TS]

  right now [TS]

  we gotta I'm so to get my car and drive up and beat you by our definition I [TS]

  think pawn Starmer jam band but need only you know star Mart heard of the [TS]

  people on the autism thirty-minute songs improvisation changes every night storm [TS]

  I'm so angry right now right now they're more punchy let's start the show you're [TS]

  so wrong [TS]

  ok so we have a lot of follow up the show those kind of like asleep and he [TS]

  always I don't know if he if he's drunk like it like dat better style of singing [TS]

  or what but it's like tried so hard to be the better man I'm about to lose my [TS]

  self control that that is Eddie Vedder yeah right like jam bands are you know a [TS]

  lot of it is from fish of course been but overall the gender and culture is [TS]

  very late very late happy upbeat most of the time whereas Dave Matthews Band his [TS]

  legs in Virginia [TS]

  so just down and drunk and he never seems like he's having any fun oh my god [TS]

  I am so angry right now I'm not engaging in with that voice I mean come on that I [TS]

  will give you all right so [TS]