00:00:00 ◼ ► Helen's has circular sounds really nasal. Yeah. Welcome to the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► We used a different version of the theme song last week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► And so our friend of the show Jonathan Mann That's I'm a double and who is the guy who wrote the initial theme song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/12">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► and the slightly beloved bleeps and bloops version which is the one that John likes but nobody else does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/19">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► He took it upon himself to write a new version and we sprinkle that into the show or I should say Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► and sprinkle that into the show. You did you hear. Apparently on the after dark for this week's back to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/30">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► Merlin man our friend Marlon covered it briefly and said he was working on a full cover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/36">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► I'm very much looking forward to hearing that and. Because the brief part that he did sounded really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/40">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► He was mad and sharp Hammarlund you can finish that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► and we will play it look out the course does nothing for you it this is like. You should work for free for exposure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/56">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► He does this now he does like style parodies like he did a lot of that with the voice of the male chimp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/64">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► But anyway if I'm real listening he's doing a style parody I would like to request an R.E.M. Style parity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/75">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► Use you can do like you know. Murmurs or fables or R.E.M. Right as we last. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/81">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► Speaking of working for exposure always gets the Penny Arcade thing. But first we have some follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/89">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► Who want to talk about photo stream. Not it. John defaults to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► All right I mean I will keep talking about photo stream. And I don't remember where this thing came from. But how you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/100">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► Dave who was last time I wanted him to pronounce because he can agree on how he wants people to pronounce his last name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► but it starts with the H. I think it's Charedi A with it I think it's safe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/111">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► He changes his mind I've heard him changes my anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/115">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► He posted a link to this Knowledge Base article that looks like it is recent has a recent date on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/118">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► and it looks like it's in response to confusion about photo stream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► And the relevant passage here is it provides information that previously was not provided by any other document that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/128">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► it's not information about how photo stream works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► It's information about motivations and that I think is what a lot of people are missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/138">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► but you can explain all these rules and give out all these numbers and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► You know put all these facts about it but it's like but why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► Why what are you trying to do a photo stream So here's the important things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► The photos that you upload to my photo stream are stored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and I cried for thirty days to give your devices plenty of time to connect to i Cloud and download them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/154">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► That's the key piece of missing information that I think is going to a lot of confusion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► What's the point of what a shame. Is there to get your photo somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► That's not an individual device for thirty days so all your other devices can pull the stuff down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/168">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► So all those limits in the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► and everything whatever don't matter because bottom line is it's both a just be a temporary holding pen for your stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/175">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► And it's most to stay there long enough for you to pull it down a notch on your other devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/181">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► As any sort of solution to any sort of ever pick like solution do to you know hold all my photos for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/187">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► Doesn't matter what the limits are doesn't matter thing else bottom line is it's not going to be there for more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► thirty days the hope is just a holding area so I think that help that clarifies for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► And as I see that from Apple because I was my impression of how it worked or reading all the other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► but seeing Apple explain. You know that simple sense explaining the motivation of the service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/206">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► Makes it clear that this is just not accidental and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► when Taishan detail that soon it will hold all your photos over never the intention of this feature is just holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/213">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► been an Apple saying it themselves so I feel a little bit. I feel like I understand poetry and live a more now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/218">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► And now I know enough to not really pay attention to it no matter what they do with the limits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► And speaking of a photograph threat of like in the show it's here that have almost nothing to say about except for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► Here's another one of these things is called Space Monkey dot com. Tribble dubbed Space Monkey dot com. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► And it looks like some kind of hardware device. Combined with a software service kind of like ever picks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/238">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► The Web site is it actually looks just like transporter actually. Like if you look at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/242">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► and we should disclose transporter is a frequent sponsor of our show so take this with a grain of salt however it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► basically looks like transporter but with worse pricing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► but they have a whole software component to where it's like it's both it's more like a media manager it's not just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/259">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► arbitrary file storage transporter is sort of like application agnostic it is a place for data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/264">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► And what data you put there is totally up to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► And this looks like it's trying to be a hybrid of of transport ever backs but I looked at his website for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► and is totally like a Web three point zero He kind of bootstrap built web site with animated stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/278">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► I could not for the life of me figure out any like actual technical information about this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► So yeah it's pretty light on the information and and pretty heavy on like the marketing titles and and graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/289">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► but actual information is hard to come by this could be awesome could be terrible I don't know I just want to throw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/296">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► out there as yet another one of these things. That is trying to solve the problem of where we proly joke. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/301">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► And on the final thing on this topic is we talked briefly about box yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► and how it was kind of like an enterprise focus version or Dropbox and either said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► or strongly implied that box could be self hosted and I got an e-mail from a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/316">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► and going say the box is not self posted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► Also it's not called Box dot net anymore there was the old name that I said in the past though it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► And it was not self hosted they host it for you and the difference is between this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► and Dropbox according to this box employ are that they manage their own data centers they don't put stuff in S three so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/332">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► there's little bit more. You know. Deterministic security about the data is not just put in another bucket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/338">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Through another third party just one you know box stores the data. They have admin tools and report. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► Again stuff that gives them more oversight on the data so if you need some sort of order to get reporting they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/349">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► provide that to you in stead of again relying on Amazon to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► And they're complying with a bunch of certifications and all the good stuff so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/357">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► Thanks to the Vox employee for the clarification and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► I think if you go to Boston other redirects But anyway go to Bucks dot com and you'll find. It seems like a box is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/365">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► I almost said but I thought not because that's how it out of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► It's one of the services that like has like a billion users. Effectively and Geeks in our circles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/374">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► Almost never even considered existing almost never think about it because it's enzymes are used right it's not used by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/380">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► mac nervous laptops of use like. You know in the enterprise a lot and a lot of P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Users use it and it's as if it's like stumble upon when one stumble upon first became big or even more recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/390">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► when Pinterest. Started growing like crazy and the entire like tech geek world was basically ignoring it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/397">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► Because you know it was. It was so popular among women. And the tech world is so dominated by men the lease of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/404">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► The online press part of it that it was like invisible to that world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/411">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► and all of a sudden rose oh my God this is huge that I think that's how boxes like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/415">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► It's really massive and tons of people use it but we hardly ever see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► And now that I'm using it every day now and it does it work similarly to Dropbox but with an enterprise bent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► Could they have picked a different name at least I mean if they're going to go from Boston to something else could they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► have not made this very similar to drop box service name box. Yeah well. They've got to strengthen the enterprise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/435">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► You want to drop your sort your software used bucks. Wow. I thought the box predated Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► That is completely not fact checked but I thought that was the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► It's been around for a while anyway it's not some new thing. Was there something called X. Tried before B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► That wasn't like a something kind of similar would give you like an X. A drive letter on your Windows P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/459">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► Case you know about this. Obviously John would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► I actually don't know about this but it sounds like something that Windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► And the barrel is something that would be for the Windows platform. Yeah. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/471">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► The Chad is saying that box dot net because at the time it was called box that is two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/478">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and five Dropbox two thousand and eight hour right. Obviously that matters a lot now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/482">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► So let's move on to our first aid results Casey how did you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/489">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► Running Disk Utility as John assigned us in the last episode. Right so Captain paranoid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► Explain to us that we should be running Disk Utility on an hourly basis. And verifying. Everything under the sun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/500">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► No repair you've got to repair verify while the verify you got to repair my apologies your correction or to repair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/507">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► Everything under the sun and this is a real pain in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► but if you run on a laptop like I do because you've got to reboot and see recovery mode blah blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► Well anyway so I as I've mentioned numerous times I have two fifteen inch higher as anti-glare macro pros with optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/521">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► drives there both day and night. Yeah exactly. That's that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/527">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► So actually you could say that does one's work once not but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► The point is the point is I tried it on both of them. And one has an S.S.D. One does not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/535">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► And both of them had errors which were able to be fixed by Disk Utility So as much as I begrudge Captain paranoid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/542">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► making me worry about something that I didn't really feel like worrying about it ended up it was for the best so thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/550">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► you John. And by the way I do recommend running a marathon your boot drive is then you don't have to reboot like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/554">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► The common case like of like oh. Everything is fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/559">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► You will be able to just run verifying your boot if you start to walk away from the computer because it will totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► make your computer. Unusable. But just didn't do it when you go in for lunch or something and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/566">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► Most of the time when you come back you'll say oh verify checked and it's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► I only recommend repairing externals because if verify finds errors the very next thing you're going to do is repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► and it takes a similar amount of time to do both verify and repair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/579">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► So when you drive your only choices verify so do that on an external drives in my latest to repair because that's the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/582">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► That's authentic loser. If there are any errors and there's not any error is their equivalent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/587">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► or even is it possible to do this on a network time machines like we have it with this analogy set up where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/595">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► You know open source whatever component to host Time Machine shares which I think are stored as giant sparse images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/603">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► Does any part of this apply to those Yeah I know any volume you can mount you can ANY age of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/611">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► Plus all you can mount you can do this to our sparse images age of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► Plus interview no underneath there is an active us plus volume. OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/619">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► Like that's what amounts but it but it does its thing. All right then you about didn't see it in Disk Utility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/623">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► but you have to make it might like Time Machine does this sneaky they were all connected this analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► and mount device you look at your desktop you can see it appear sometimes but it's not you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/634">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► It makes it all go away when the backup just on you know. Sometimes in a seat at all and you can manually. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/638">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► Just like you know just today I learned about double click the farce bundle that yeah yeah yeah yeah. OK All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/644">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► Moving right along the whole the whole of oh you know go away. MARTIN Oh yeah. I might have done my homework. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/651">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► There's a surprise. Well John told me that not to run it while you're using it. And so I've been using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► But you gotta run our internal drive you don't have more than one drive right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► All right well you didn't do your homework it's OK lots of other people did who filled up the survey should mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► that after the show actually thought it was during the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► but after the show last week I said you know what we should get some information on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/674">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► I wonder how many people listen to last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► and decided I'm going to run disutility L.-I desks just like they talked about on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/680">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► and I wanted to how they did so I tweeted out. A link that said hey if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► If you listen to the show last week and decide to run Disk Utility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/688">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► Tell me how it turned out as the two questions survey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► And I tweeted I think I did an app that net and and Marco put it in the show notes but it wasn't mentioned on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/695">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► And we got a lot of people replying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► Both before and after the server pine OK Alison your show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/703">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► and I did stuff in about a couple of programs a couple tweets here one of them. One person said. This from D.C. Up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/706">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► Ran Disk Utility last week and it reported errors rebooted and repair was not possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/712">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► So did verify and it reported it was OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/716">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► Lots of things like where they'll run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► and it will say there's a problem they'll try to repair it will say Sorry couldn't repair and then it's OK or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► They'll be areas and they won't care thought there is no law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► and that's not reassuring ten people handballs like your own no I said there was there is but now there's not a guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► Everything's fine but instead you get this feeling of unease about. You know you know about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/732">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► Here's another one random you tell him I started discus by R Y B. I'm not look after the first time in over a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/737">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► It's fixed a free block count error which freed up seventy gigabytes crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► So that person got seven here by the disgrace back because it apparently is of us. Plus the lost track of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► The free block out. Well. And you know it's like their trees right so if you. If you have a missing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► If the whole subquery goes missing in the metadata. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► It could potentially be pointed to lots of information so he got seventy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/762">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► This is from Evie Q ran Disk Utility got an error. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► Fall the instructions and then Disk Utility recovery from no errors again spooky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► And lots of reports of what happened to me with my Time Machine volume which is it had errors that I want to repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/776">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► and it said Sorry can't repair and then after that the disk was on mountable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/783">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► And that leads to something else I should talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Last week verify disk is in theory a read only operation Repair Disk is going to make changes to your disk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► Those changes may be harmful to your disk but if it's got areas anyway you say well what areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/794">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► You can take that into account say look this thing has errors but before even try to repair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/802">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► Let me make sure that I have like this goes back to the multiple backup thing. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► Be aware that attempting to repair an error. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► As I described in last week's show could make the disk even worse off than it was. It doesn't mean that it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/813">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► You should really use that backup before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► but it could make things worse so I always have multiple bags before you start messing with anything before you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► writing data to any disk make sure that is not your only backup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► And I don't know what else to do people like you found out what should do if that's your only backup and it has errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/830">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► It's like well. Is your source this go OK because of your source because OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/834">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► Make a second backup from now before you start screwing with the other one right don't. Don't just rush into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/838">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► I would say that your story last week about how both your primary volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► and your Time Machine backup were both corrupted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► That is as big an ad is any for four super duper clones and cloud backup store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/852">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► Services like that that that just shows you right there like you know just one volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/860">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► and a Time Machine backup are not really enough. I mean like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/864">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► And the thing is if I had maybe if I checked more frequently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► One of them went bad first and then I would have been able to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► You know fix it from one to the other but like I maybe I waited too long didn't feel paranoid soon enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/873">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► and hadn't checked it was going to say we saw a really good tweet from grading nearly who said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/879">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► In the Army we had a saying pertaining to critical equipment to is one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► One is none so it goes for backups and I and I think that's absolutely true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► If you only have one backup that's effectively not really having a backup of at all especially if it's colocated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/894">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► wherever your computer lives. Most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Which is why the three of us are so excited for Crash plan or back please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/902">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► or whatever your online cloud backup system of choices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► It's really nice to have that as well as something local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► or many things local although I dread ever having to restore from are those that really is my like my last last last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/913">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► Like yeah that's why I like to have multiple local backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► and I really want to the cloud backup to get house burns down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► but if it doesn't burn down that I don't want to have to go. That are unless I'm like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► Away from my computer and I want to grab a file from back then it's kind of handed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► Use whatever the I was up is fear thing and grab stuff. Yeah club back of his like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/932">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► You can't really test it without just trying to pull a file off of it like. You can't really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/937">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► You don't have the same kind of reassurance that you do with like a super duper super duper clone you can just boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► from it. And just Seaver these OK boot from it once a month or something and just test it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/947">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► You can't really do that with claw back and you just got you know you can try to pull a file off it but it's kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/952">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► You know a process and if you ever do have to restore doing a full restore one you might be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► You know downloading a terabyte of data off the Internet which might take a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► So it's you know it is always good to you know at the cloud backup really is your last resort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► That said though I think. Regular volume plus time machine. Plus back please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► I think it's a very good set up for most people like us you know. If you have extra hard line around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/975">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► Yet make a super duper clone also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► But regular plus Time Machine plus the back please I think is fine and or the other alternative is like I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/982">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► So that you don't end up a situation they probably don't both go bad exactly the same time my one of them goes first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/990">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► and if you're running it off enough. You'll get in a situation where one went bad but one is good and you can quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/996">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► You know do pout a second backup. And don't by the way if you have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► If you only have two things your computer and a time machine disk. And the time machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► And the time machine just goes bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► Don't erase the time machine desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and then try to copy the backup to the soon as your racist time machine just now your data is in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and the somewhere you never ever ever want to be like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► You just don't ever be in that situation to place is bad enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► and one is bad a bad back up is better than no backup do not arrays that disk just don't touch it put it aside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► Get a new disk. Back up to that you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► This is why we want companies to take care of the stuff for us because this is way too much for a regular person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► handle anyone listening to this is like I don't want to think about apply agree I don't want to think about it either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► And I'd also don't think about bit rot in the fact that none of these things all this age of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► Plus checks are just checking the meditator they're not checking the data the data could be totally hosed we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► idea what state the data isn't. I don't think so the survey. The server that I sent out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► Think maybe the sample or maybe slightly biased because it's a group of people who listen to a nerdy podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► or who follow or nerdy person on Twitter. And maybe those people are more likely to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► Complicated things with their disks that in turn could cause more errors or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► The one thing the survey has going for it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► People didn't know whether they were going to find errors or not before they ran Disk Utility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► Right so it's not like only the people who found area still does out the survey was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► If you listen to the episode and ran desk utility What did you find and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► None of those people OTA magine knew beforehand Well what they were going to find. So despite the sampling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► The self selection of the people who take the survey I'm hoping it's not like that only the people who found there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► filled out the survey. And the people who didn't find errors. Didn't bother to fill the survey. Because I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► I don't know. I mean. I don't know how statistically valid this is let's just say. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► You guys want to guess at the result I'll tell you that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► Seven at the time I pulled the the data from it seven hundred fifty eight people had responded to the survey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► Wow first. The first question was this is how smart if you listened up so forty X. and All tech podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► Subsequently registered toadies first aid function on one or more H.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► Plus alliances in compass all the discs I don't want to ask them individually or whatever. Did it find any errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► So if you have five disk new find errors on one of them you would say yes this is just basically saying you ran Disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► Utility. On all your stuff. Did your stuff have any errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► And I didn't ask them how many disk you have around evolves ergs I don't want this to be true that we are going to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1145">TS</a>]
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00:19:12 ◼ ► Oh and then the second question was if you found errors with the repair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► Function able to grab so I want you to to guess what you think you know. Did you find errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► Percentage wise men you know the numbers why you have to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► and then after the sponsor break I'll tell you the answer. For if you should guess. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► My guess is the percentage of respondents who had errors found was thirty percent. I would guess. Seventy percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1168">TS</a>]
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00:23:18 ◼ ► I ordered like two or three pairs that I was pretty confident were my style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► and then two pairs that I didn't think were me at all and it ended up that because I was able to try those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► I actually ended up going with one of the pairs of sunglasses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► That I didn't expect to like at all and I just thought the let me see what happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► And I love the sunglasses and I have an inevitably I will break them because I'm an clots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► and I always destroy my sunglasses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► But I will be devastated when I do because I really really do like you mention the case that they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► and that's where glasses. You know since I was like thirty grader. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► This is the most impressive glasses case they only have my prescription sunglasses that I've ever seen in my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► It is nice. Gigantic. And like it looks like you could run it over with a car and your glasses of be fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► The little box of the should be with a glass that was impressive but the case. Was I was also impressed by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► And it's nice on prescription sunglasses. The first time I feel fancy. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► So what were the results of your survey John. So marker you said thirty percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I said thirty percent and you said seventy percent. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► What do you think is reasonable for the job of the file system is basically to keep track of where your crap is and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► Markos number at thirty percent is that you're saying it's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► That on thirty percent of the max out there are so many are sampling is significant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► Are is representative of the mass of Nike is that it's OK for about thirty percent of the time for there to for each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► us plus group for there to be potentially did a strong areas in case you think seventy to try to be dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► but like that. I mean we all agree that seventy would be unreasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► That have seventy percent of the max out there had errors on there you know the age of us plus errors on the disc we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► are not hardware problems they're just software problems like not keeping track of that would be on reason apply for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► sure anything more than zero in theory is unreasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► but now that you have to expect it wanted two percent are going to have problems some person kicked the plug out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► or there were some crazy like there's always going to be a little bit of bugs or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► but I think once you start to get into double digit percentages. That's not like an aberration like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► There was a power outage in the middle of the thing and I didn't notice and it just built up or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► You know cosmic rays or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► Yeah I would say like ten percent should be cause for concern because then that's I would say anything over. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► That's come to some kind of systemic issue like bugs in the software that are not just cosmic rays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► or one off occurrences are our hardware related or maybe they could be are related but it seems like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► A lot so I don't know what I expected these numbers to be but I kind of felt like they were going to be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► My guess would have been like fifteen eighteen percent that would have him I guess for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► Because like ten percent seem low to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► But surely it's not on like more than maybe twenty percent because I know I find the errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► and I know if I go to someone's computer and they never understood tell you they find errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► but I figure again people who listen to spot gas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► and they know about Disk Utility I don't have to explain to anybody where it was like all these people found it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► themselves and ran it and did all the stuff themselves so maybe they'd run it before or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► But here the results the results were. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► Did you find any errors again this is across all the disks that you try and I didn't ask them how many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Forty four point three percent found errors on their desks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► Oh methadone Marco Marco is closer but that is shockingly close to half that's really bad. And that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► That is much higher than I thought it would be I was thinking eighteen twenty percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► Maybe twenty five forty four that's that's grim I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► Second question was if the errors were found and was the repair function able to repair their. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► So of the people who found errors eight people didn't attempt to repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► or didn't answer that question right I'm giving you percentages of like out of all the people who attempted to fix the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► error what percentage of those people with this you tell you were not with a third party told I was any else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► How successful was this utility repairing there is care to guess what they put on it is there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► I would say probably seventy five percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► Well see I think would be more than that I would think you'd be closer to ninety. Marco gets it again said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► Seventy three point one seven percent. So you basically have a one in four shot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► A little bit worse than a one in four shot Disk Utility being able to fix your errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► I don't know how represent of exults are but they are worse than I expected because I would have expected it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► Areas to be on far fewer than forty four percent and I would expect would have expected disutility six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► or eight to be like. It seems like to me I just expected that we six that I was our ninety five percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► Something like that. Seventy two percent is not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► So that shows those errors weren't just one tiny letter is easy to fix but every type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► or this utility confect Now some people reported to me that if you didn't a single user mode and you do F. A C. K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Manually. We're just more or less the same thing as this can tell a dozen of the covers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► But I think we're using more you don't have any contention for that the catalog fall you're the only process running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► and some people are saying that it actually does repairs Disk Utility can't do I'm not sure how much truth there is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► that but that is one more tool in your toolkit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► If you get a disk this can to leave says it can repair you can reboot into single user mode if you're comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► And I feel like I should explain it because if you don't know what it is then you're not comfortable with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► and run have to seek a couple of options and have it attempt to repair you the lion king again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► If you're not comfortable this don't try to do it it's very easy to do the wrong thing from the command line in single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► user mode. But if you're comfortable with it it's worth a try and that's pretty that's pretty bad and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► I don't want to encourage you to go on another fossils from rant but that I mean. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► The it's we've been this will mean we haven't beaten a source Johns beaten a source. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► You know what the file system is one job which is not screw up your data and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► It's of us plus it's just not cut the mustard apparently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► And that's not even your data forget who knows what state your data is this is just keeping track of where stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► that stuff the same as your data is the same as when you wrote it. Who the hell knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► Age of us puzzles now doesn't care. All it saying is I put something on disk and I saw that you track of where it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► And this file name has this data associated with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► On another date is it called these heroes it could be just random garbage by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► but I didn't keep track of that bucket of random garbage that is a certain length. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► And that's the job of the files as a keep track of the information about where the files are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► We wish that it would also say oh and by the way the date is the same as when you wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► but each of us plus there's nothing a totally silent. Just trust the hardware and says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► Yeah that's probably what you wrote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► If it is if it isn't nothing we can do about it now you have no way of knowing a lot of people have talked about the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► What is a call. There's some tool that I can never remember the name of that i've actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► I think I bought it way back in the day. And I think I tried it once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► They will crawl your disk and put little checksums. Like in the direct age directory checksums of all the files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► You can then or recheck some them and compare it against the confines of the file at least then you'll know if OK well.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► At one point I made checksums all the files and directories and it's that X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► And now I'm running checksums and it says why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► So something must have changed I can tell you what it was and I can't fix it. And I can't even tell you if the state. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► If you're just going around the checksums was in a known good state it was just merely the state it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► when I ran the original checksums but at least something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► but it does have to crawl your whole disk it does have to read everything go by the data off your disk to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► The first time anyway and the second time are probably cross file dates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► or something like that to be more efficient about it but this is. I don't really recommend this tool because it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► It really beats up in your disks the first time you run it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► And it's really not the correct solution a correct solution is a file system that does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► when the data is on its way in and out. And we don't have that yet so we just you know. Cross our fingers and pray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► Well. So what you're recommending is FAT thirty two. For macro us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► Now recommending test I can I can remember men the episode of the debug Paga that was on recently where me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► and several other people talked about file systems and Mavericks among other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► and part one of two was posted because we talked like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► and a half hours so it was really good I link them to show Note that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► when those mins worth listening to my favorite thing about it was the two of the people there X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and it's a lot better than just people who you know have seen Apple from afar talking about stuff on that show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► The rest of us could offer opinions on what we think Apple might or might not be like insider might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► or might have been doing and have actual X. Apple people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► You know give dumbs up or thumbs down on whether that sounds reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► and I was that was exciting the two Apple people were who was around the Aslan and Danielle jacket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► I think I got the names right if I didn't mark a fix and post. Yeah that's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► And then Guy English was like doing Reggie. You know those guys. Well was only one guy. Wow. Moving on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1912">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► So do you want to talk about X. Box one. Yeah I think we should I think it's important. John. Yeah. X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► Very close to the Play Station four Play Station four was making a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► but they sold a million units north american twenty four hours X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► Box One launch and had its own little press release they said it sold more than one million consuls worldwide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► It's not apples to apples comparison but the bottom line is I think both are more or less supply constrained on launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► I think this is. I talked about it last week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► That just because the early adopters are rabid for a new console as I imagine they will be doesn't necessarily mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► is console generation is going to do as well as the previous or the one before that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► But it definitely means that they're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► It's not you know if they had both tanked on launch it would be a very very bad sign so they're not both hanging on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► launch. So far so good for the new console generation they're selling out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► And this is a little bit more impressive the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► Box One Jesus hundred dollars more than a Playstation three and people did not appear to be price sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► or the supply was not enough to reveal the price sensitivity of consumers because everyone who wanted a P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► or An online today. You know. Bought a mall and same thing with X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► Box one so we'll revisit this in a couple months to see how the consul's are doing but so far so good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► I do wonder how many of the buyers were scalpers. Because it was any new electronics launch the tie profile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► Which is pretty much every new game console. And every new i Phone and me the most new tablet and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► There's always a pretty large contingent of scalpers who are just buying it to put it on e Bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► or to bring it to countries where it isn't available yet to charge a premium. So say so. Opening day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► or eyeopening we can number you should always go into with some skepticism because some of it is going to be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► and for different products it's a different. Portion of it but it certainly always substantial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► So I think I'll be more interesting to see what happened then you know. Two months five months. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► Over the next year we'll see and I also still want to see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► when any of these consuls gets a really good hit game that schools have to the Consul because that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► That's really what makes the console market is is. You know must have killer games and. So far there's none. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► On the new systems on and any of three of them. I'm not I'm not sure the X. Box one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► When I was thinking about him are not sure the X. Box One needs the killer app beyond X. Box Live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► Because it just gets good versions of all the multi format. Multi-platform games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► It's a killer app a sort of that's where your friends list is you're on X. Box Live you've been on X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► Box I was sixty you'll be an X. Box live with this. If a multi-platform title comes out. And you're not a P.C. Gamer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► You have a choice of can you get a majority of the P S four version X O X one version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► and in the past generation a lot of people get got the three sixty version just because that's where their friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► where an X. Box Live. And sometimes I look a little better the P S four person and this generation X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► Box One version may look slightly worse than the P S four version ways that only gaming forum nerds care about most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2093">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► likely. But people may stop to buy the X. Box One version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► Because that's where their friends are so the online social networking kind of network effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► Social lock in thing may be more of a factor than any killer game because it's really hard for any platform to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► killer game it's exclusive to it these days because the big titles are so big that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► or Sony would have to pay I can you imagine Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► or Sonny ever paying enough money to rock star to make the next G.T.A. Of schools will be on the console there's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► I don't think they have enough money to do that because they make so much more money by putting it out everywhere that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► Rockstar says well for we're going to forego P.C. And P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► For Microsoft you're going to have to pay us so much money you're ready for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► and the answer is No they're not so I don't know it's kind of like big movie studios making a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► or two hundred million dollars. And then only showing in a certain brand of movie theaters no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► No change in movie theaters going to for do that it's not quite the same but I would love to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► and of course this first party games like Halo and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► but historically it's been difficult for those games to match up with the with the cumulative massive sales machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► that is the popular franchises that are multi-platform like Call of Duty and. When he caught. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► Destiny's coming out soon and went after auto and all those things. Sports. Yeah. It's all the A game. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► The men franchise stuff like that you know you know so I'm not a gamer anymore I don't see any I rarely play games on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► my i Phone I have a we're Aaron and I have a lead that hasn't been plugged in. For months now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► And I was at my for we were at my friend. Phil's house over the weekend and he has an X. Box one and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► I didn't play any games although I saw him play Need for Speed which looked extraordinarily boring but it was pretty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► But we did use it because he has his T.V. Going through it and I forget the technical term for that the basically the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► Box is eating the T.V. Signal. And I are blasting to his direct T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► Receiver in order to change channels and so on and so forth. I believe it's called Web T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► For second I think you're serious. Anyway. So the point being that with the Audi oaken trolls you know X. Box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► Player Geo turn to tune to Comedy Central revenues I'm probably getting that wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► That was just like Siri in that when it worked. It was the work of magic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► But when it didn't work which was I would say two thirds of the time. It was infuriating. But I can see where the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► Box One is a very nifty in different take on what the next iteration of television might be in that it's all voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► I'd never saw anything gesture based on even know if there's a gesture based system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► but it's all force controlled you can put the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► On one side of the screen put something else in the other side of the screen like a video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► or whatever it was very very cool. It. Nothing about it made me want to get one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► But I could see why it would be appealing and I can see if. If a person who like to play games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Wanted something more than just a game console I could absolutely see how this would be very very appealing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► I wonder how much of it is you know Microsoft is really making a very clear bet here. They're betting on Convergence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► And of course. Historically in our energy we had things like Web T.V. and and Various attempts that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► Set and trying to you know motion to two distinct devices the connected T.V.'s together into one and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► Usually those a failed or these been mediocre at best. Microsoft bet here is. They think that having your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► Controlled by your game console is a really big deal at the game console is more than just a game console it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► home media. T.V. Activity consul. Whereas you know Sony is gone for more than the pure gaming so is intending really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► The pure gaming system that's separate and dedicated as as John's discussed a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► But the question is I think whether Microsoft is right like how how many people want to merge those two experiences. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► I would actually guess it's a low number. Relative to everyone who buys X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► Boxes I would say the portion of them the want to also control their T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► Through it and have those experiences be very merged together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► I wouldn't guess it's very high but I could be very wrong about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► I think there's a there's a little bit of a potential we effect here in that one of the reason is that we look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► graphs of console sales of the weasel line shot up like a rocket with such an incredible slope is because we had a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► I don't want to call the novelty factor but it's more or less what it is. And that people are curious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► What would it be like to play games I was going a little remote around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► Because it was an experience that people hadn't done. And people bought it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► Just because like they didn't necessarily even think it was going to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► but they just said well this is a new thing. And I know some people have tried it and I'm not one of those people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► I need to get one of those. So I can try to see what this is like good or bad. And the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► Box One like three sixty had connect right but it was an add on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► and add ons have notoriously bad sell through rates for Consols like of all the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Box three sixty so what percentage of those people bought connect that's very low. All of the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► Box ones come with the connect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► and Microsoft was adamant about that is one of the many reasons that their console is one hundred dollars more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► And they're taking the hit they said look we're going to make them all come with that and that means every single X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► Box One has the sort of we effect of people wondering. I wonder what would be like to talk to my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► or To wave my hands around like a maniac and try to make menus go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► Maybe those same people think it's going to be stupid and bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► Or maybe they tried their friends connect one and didn't like it but they're like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► But this one is better and like there's just that curiosity about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► And so that that factor alone no matter how it ends up being even of ends up being a total disaster no never use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► anymore they just use it to play games like it a three sixty. Just the fact that it gets people in the door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► Curious about it I think is a really big strength for Microsoft. In this generation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Because they all come with CONNECT. And as for actually using it. I've heard mostly reports that trying to use the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► Box want to watch television like to control your television is not a good experience for the same reason that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► Like the television market is littered with the bodies of of companies that have tried to put a box of burning a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► and complicated because of our terrible is in the US are terrible cable television system with non-standardized all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► stuff and people are thing like. It's better to use like my cable boxes guide the new easy to use the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► Box guy that's pretty damning when you have a five hundred dollars box. That your tax your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► and It's better just to your cable box also everyone hates their cable box God because they're all terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► Right and they're saying look the excise on was worse but. But I think like even if the excise one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► If it gets people to buy it for the novelty factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► and then they just use it like a three sixty that's still a win for Microsoft because using it like a three sixty means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► using X. Box Live. What when you're watching T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► All the quickly switch over to a game and play it or switch back to T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► when People are in the lobby and stuff like that even that functionality which is not that big a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► That's something that Sony can't match because they don't have H.D. Myin. Right so I don't think the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► Box One has to fill all the magical Minority Report. Voice recognition Syria AI dreams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► It just has to do one or two things that the P S four can't. And basically be an updated three sixty with Kinect open. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► And maybe they will still not be any decent games that any game really cares about that use connect but we'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2531">TS</a>]
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00:44:55 ◼ ► I don't lower down the ME IN THAT NO to the room I want to hoist up your car complaints. No Apple buys Prime Sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► There's your way that story. I didn't What's this about Prime Sense is the company that originally made the sensors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► For the connect the original connect. Was interesting. So quick sort of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► I might have got that slightly wrong but basically used to it looks like company but yeah I've all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► You know there's a reason for this what this company does makes connect like sensors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and they were I think they were involved in the development of the original connect if not to connect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► and that is interesting because Apple tends not to buy companies frivolously unless they're color. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► And that was a great domain name. Cheese they buy call over the nobody ever packs. Fine. You would imagine though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► Like it's like when they bought P.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► Semi is that they bought this company because they have an interest in some kind of sensor stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► and I think everyone was thinking. OK Well Microsoft on the X. Box One of the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► Integration Apple still has yet to make whatever we think they're crazy movies are going to be in the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► Because the of Jobs said in his book that always correct the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► and we haven't seen anything that seems to have to match up with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► So we're still waiting for the other shoe to drop on T.V. and Then they buy the sensor maker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► And on the one hand it's like way too late for them to be buying the sensor maker ever expect them to have a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► next year that involves a sensor all. If you think of how long it took for us to see clear fruits of the P S M E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► Acquisition. But on the other hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► It also implies that they think that sensor related things are important enough for them to buy a company that probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► has patents but also expertise in the technology it so it's beyond the phase where they're like let's just go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► To connect and hook it up to some you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► and see if it's in a useful thing to have it seems like they're into the phase where they're getting serious about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► and the question is what do they do with this technology and I guess that I think everyone assumes that it's T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► Related but I think it could just as easily be I wish device related as an i Pad and i Phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► Because I think about all the crazy stuff that Samsung does with their Galaxy phones are the stupid things that track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► your eyes and like that you don't have to touch a screen how terrible that works. And I think. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► That's terrible. But what if there was a way to do some tiny subset of that. Better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► You know to an Apple level of quality where they're happy with happy with making this part of the I was device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► What can you do with the ability for your i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► or i Phone to sense more about you than just where your fingers touching in the orientation acceleration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► So I think I would give it a fifty fifty chance that the technology involved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► Coming with expertise in technology and everything coming from this company. Bush open and I was devised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► Just as likely I think as it showing up in a T.V. Like device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► And I think about an interview like that I don't I don't know what they would do with it I would imagine they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► something small and simple and like the proximity sensor but more sophisticated using the camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► and more proximity sensors to be more intelligent about something using eyelets that I thought are not over his T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► What are we going to be standing up in front of a wave in our hands like Graham from an X. Box one. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► I wonder if we could even be used in any way to to support the that camera you know maybe for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► For looking at the scene in a way similar to how fate detect estimate work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► And I feel are is maybe prodding better focus performance or a more accurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► Depth map of what's going on in the scene. Maybe someone who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Yeah I was going to interest like if you look at the connect it was impressive technology like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► I don't know if a double the resolution of the connect one or quadruple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► but it is way better like it I think it can sense fingers now. Whereas the connect one can barely sense hand so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► The technology has come a long way and obviously you can't fit something like connect size into an I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► Device although you couldn't elect a little T.V. Bar type thing but there's surely something you can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► If you can get. I are color image edge a Texan and depth map from these multi sensor things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► Surely there's something interesting you can do about that even if it's only just like kind of having having the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► have more awareness of what the person who's using it is doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► Even if you never used to control the phone or whatever just so the phone kind of knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► They're staring at me they're not I'm in a pocket I'm not I'm being held up to a head I'm not like just those simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► things could make the phone experience better without ever actually exposing a feature. To the user and for the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► Thing again I have no idea who is known as any idea what the hell they're doing on T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► but It is intriguing to say the least. It might be only one who doesn't really care what the doing on T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► I think you are the only one. Just think like. I don't like the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► I would love for the software on to be more reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► and for the service that backs at the entire i Tunes store for that to be more reliable and work more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► But the actual like Apple T.V. Box and software experience. I think. Satisfies my needs. For what I want out of a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► Connected box like and I know. I know everyone wants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► You know more channels and more availability and live shows and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► and that's that's more an issue of content deals that anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► and that's you know that's probably going to be held a command. No matter what they do with the hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► But like I just I'm fine with the T.V. As it is I have Netflix and everything else Netflix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► You know I have Netflix on there and I have itunes bought stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► And that's about all I really need like what I'm looking to do you have minimal T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► Need to do is if you're if you're more like the average American who consume some portion of sports programming some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► portion of local television and also some portion of network and cable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► The experience is terrible because all those things are spread out in ten different places I mean even you would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► for the two places like Oh isn't that like let me check Oh is that an apple do it do you let me check even just that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► bad but imagine if you multiply that out by like three or four or five places to check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► and then you had way more content some of which is not available online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► and some of which you had to see like you only way you could get it was it was broadcast to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► and maybe you don't want to wait a week because then the things really spoiled for you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► If you consume more television from more sources it gets worse and worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► and worse than ever Mrs waiting for something to clarify this in the same way that that you know Apple clarified using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► your music learn Granted it's like you to have music but hey that was filed labels by big labels or whatever in the US. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► You can just go to i Tunes buying is going to go to seven different places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► and synthesize some sort of system that have a D.V.R. To catch this and I have Netflix and I have Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► and Then I have Amazon Instant Video and I have these devices and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► I can watch my Tivo and i Pad but I also watch netflix and i Pad but I can't watch Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► and I Pad but I can watch drugs in the i Tunes store and as. It's television continues to be a giant mess again.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► I'm speaking only about the US I don't know what it's like in the rest the world so the more T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► You consume in the more you use it the worse it is maybe you're still limping along with Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► and That flex and that satisfies you but I think you're in the minority in terms of your television consumption habits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► Well sure but how many of those problems are really software and content deal problems or even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► Not even like us off a limitation more of a software choice that was made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► So you know it's also software choices and content deals. Versus hardware. And you know. Interface problems like.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► If they did some kind of big connect like think the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► Then we could we have our arms around to navigate the same small menu full of limited choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► and expensive options like that's. It's. That's not going to so that's not going to change anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► We're not just looking for hardware software solution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► We're assuming a meeting with i Tunes a hardware software solution i Pod i Tunes in the store with everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► Harbor it was software it was content deals that's what we're looking for is something to save us all from everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► and if you just want to look on the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► and software side you can look at the i Phone as an example where all they had in the beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► Was hardware and software. But the hardware and software was so amazing that it was used as a lever to try to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► Revolutionize the carrier industry but it gave the handset maker more leverage than they ever had before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► and it allowed us to have cell phones not crapped up with the stupid carrier ad ware and crap like that on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► That wasn't a big change. It was an improvement. And so I think even just alone but with with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► You know totally adversarial evil things like carriers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► Apple is still just through the power of it's amazing hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► and software the power of the consumer that wanted it affects some small change in the industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► Again at least in the US. For the better. So I would take that into television world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► If that Apple can't do any content deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► and everyone hates them just make some amazing device that everybody wants to make television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► Better for the people who are using it and use that as a lever to say oh well if your kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► If you know Time Warner Cable doesn't want to be part of our thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► Than all the people who want our magic dance in front of the T.V. Device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► Are going to be pissed time order and are going to change carriers like like people were going to A.T.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► To you from Verizon or whatever because it was the only place that had the i Phone. Again there is a long shots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► Fans going to happen but something. You can see part of that today though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► When like whenever there's some kind of dispute between. One of the networks. And one of the big cable companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► And the networks pulled pull themselves off the cable channel for like two weeks and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► The idea is you know that that that the networks hoping the cable company will say. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► Oh come back to us go all of our customers are angry at us and. You know usually they. They just kind of quietly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► Figure something out and nothing really changes in the end. And you know people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► People often look at I think we're seeing a lot more recently from from smart. Analyst type people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► You can look at the P.C. Market. In the ninety's. And so many things that we consider like common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► Be Hey viewer or the way things work. Is based on the windows and mac. Divide in the ninety's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► And as time is going on the smart analysts are starting look this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► and say actually that seems more like a complicated fluke. Than the way things actually work you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► Open doesn't always win whatever that means. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► Hardware being multi vendor and software running all of it versus the unified vertical integration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► You know doesn't always work or not work. There's you know there's all these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► All this like wisdom that's been based on how this one instance of something worked. One time in the industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► What in fact it's much more complicated than that and it doesn't always work that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► I think the way i Tunes came about in the an ad whose music store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► I think that's one of those things to where that was a very special time in history that we're not in a time like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► anymore with any other medium or any other situation or industry. That was a one time thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► And I don't think that anybody Apple or otherwise. Is going to be able to reproduce that in a new medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► But I think the same thing could happen over a much longer time like there was like a big room with I turned maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► would say the breadth of though that's the breadth is where it's going to really suffer like well that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► saying like a star of small and what I'm thinking about there is not so much Apple doing it. But Netflix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► Finding its own shows today overnight. Obviate the need for the networks and H.B.O. No they didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► But you get one or two shows the people I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► And it's like OK you didn't do a big bang you didn't like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► but suddenly a tiny tiny sliver of the power in the content distribution. World. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Went over to Netflix the thing that has no allegiance to any kind of you know carrier anything like that they got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► show so what. So if. But if they do that every year for the next fifteen twenty years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► You can foresee a scenario where either Netflix or a similar player polls power away from the cable companies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► And the carriers and you know all those stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► or a majority of the shows that people want to watch are being funded in a way that has no connection to any cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► provider or any television network. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► That would be an example of an i Tunes like changes that are happening in three years. Happening in fifteen or twenty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► Yeah you know I was thinking about it. Well yes we're talking and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► I'm not so sure that you're right Marco that the i Tunes kind of phenomenon couldn't be repeated what what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► thinking about was if you think about what made i Tunes as paired with the i Pod so magical is to me it's a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► things it's acquiring something it's acquiring media and then consuming it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► and so i Tunes allows you to acquire individual songs which is very rare at the time I mean you know they were singles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► And you could acquire these songs without leaving your house which was really awesome and new and then you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► when you decide decided to leave your house you could consume them on this magical new hardware device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► And you guys made allusions to this earlier but a theoretical Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► Where you can acquire content very easily in the continent thinking of is sports content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and I know that you can Marco's eyes just glaze over but for most Americans and I would argue most of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► The sports are big deal and a lot of people pointed out in the chat that the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► Has That's the national American Football League. The Continental It's well you know I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► So they haven't a clue has an exclusive deal with Directv which is a satellite provider. Here in the United States. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► And that runs out I think at the end of the season or if not the end of the season very very soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and a lot of people are calling on Apple does just throw money at this problem and get that exclusive deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► and what that exclusive deal brings is if you're if your DIRECTV customer. You can get what's called N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► Sunday ticket because all the games are played on Sundays most them anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► And you can watch any game you want it when it's aired live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► And so for me as an example I happen to be a fan of The New York Giants I live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► I only ever get Giants games if it just so happens that read that Redskins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► or any of the other local franchises aren't playing at that time. So imagine a situation where the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► and Apple reach an exclusive deal scenario you can get the content you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► Which is the acquire piece because you can watch any game you want and the M.O.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► Already does this Major League Baseball does this the N.B.A. Believe already does this or in I think the N.H.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► Does I'm probably getting some of that wrong but whatever you get the idea. Well magine a combination of N.F.L.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► NASCAR and F one. All of them. Easily available on the Apple T.V. Both live and replay and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3532">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► All you need to do is either pay off a little bit or just buy the darn device transporter style. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► And then on top of that Apple has this really slick you I well I like the line the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► but it's certainly a lot better than most set top boxes like my for Hyson box looks like crap compared to the Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► So now you've got the content or you can acquire the content and now you can consume the content in a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► and easy way and I see some not direct parallels with with i Tunes and the i Pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► but certainly some parallels nevertheless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► I don't know that sports is enough to really get them over the proverbial hump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► But I think it could be a really really interesting way to attack attack traditional T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► With without having to go after movies and T.V. Shows in the traditional sense. And to reinforce Marcus point. The. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► Dave big difference here is that the players know the players saw what happened to be using. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► And so everybody is super paranoid about putting too many eggs in one basket. So if Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► By some miracle decided to spend. The billions of dollars it would take to get the N.F.L. To that degree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► or be like we sure as hell can't go that well because then they would have two sports franchises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► and look what happened in music. If we like. They all had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► It's not collusion but they all kind of see what each other are doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► And they're all kind of trying to protect their turf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► and spread their bets like like just like the music labels as soon as Amazon became vice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► All the music of us like we got to go over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► and just give Amazon everything because we cannot have Apple have all this power is like be the sole one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► and only awesome digital music distribution network. So all of the non-music guys saw what happened in music. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► And that's why it's so hard to do anything with T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► Because they're not going to make that same mistake and that's why I think it has to be a much longer period. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► And probably like the way it's going to happen is the power that's in the hands of the networks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► Will shift to a set of companies that look more like Netflix if they're not necessarily Netflix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► I don't think Apple is going to be in the business of generating content so far they haven't shown that they're willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► to for example. Put up a couple hundred million dollars to make a new T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► Show so all Apple can do is make deals with somebody and I would imagine.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► Dealing with Netflix is way easier than dealing with N.B.C. or The N.F.L. And so maybe this insanity there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► That being said though. I think you're right that. Once one sports franchise gave exclusivity to the Apple T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► or To Apple in general I think that would give pause to the others however if that one was the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► I think that's enough. Like even. I think enough people and obviously the rest of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► Couldn't possibly care less but in the US you know and this isn't doesn't mean the problems with T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► Is that it's very regional. In the US If you get the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► You're going to get a craft ton of people buying Apple T.V.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► And that's really what they want they you know what they want out of this kind of effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► Would be tons and tons and tons of people buying the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► and Get having a really good reason to use it frequently and. If you get the N.F.L. Exclusive on there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► You're going to get that you're going to get a lot of that. And. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► People are not going to give up their cable subscription. They're still going to have cable. So the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► So not getting the other sports networks wouldn't matter as much this would basically be like like an exclusive console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► game like this would be a killer app for the Apple T.V. For a very large number of people in this country. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► It's just depressing because there are so many so many entrenched interests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and then we always tend to keep coming back to the realization and this is just the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► We're talking about an average is a global company and it cares about worldwide stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► and you can kind of see how Apple in their own means would be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► Look at all this crap and we're only still talking about the U.S. Forget about it let's just you know whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► Like that's why I think I like the delegate that let's let Netflix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► or figure out something to an even net like this I think mostly US centric of well like I think the other countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► have better ways to get the content they want over more modern digital systems than we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► and maybe they still have the same monopoly problems that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► but like I think people can see the soccer games that they want to see through some interesting digital thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► Like the local television franchise is still such a stranglehold and like with the black at the local blackouts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and stuff like that of this is just perverse. So it's depressing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► But I'm still like to see Apple do something even if they do something and it flops like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► You know it first you know if you see succeed keep trying to go to the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► The first couple aren't that great the little black pluck is pretty darn good so if there's more to come in that vein [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► and they're buying this connect like sensor company. Let's see what you've got right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► I do think you're right though that that I can't I can't really see Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► Devoting a massive chunk of money on a massive division of their of their product line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► And therefore their attention to something that only works in the U.S. or Will only succeed in the U.S. That. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► That's not like Tim Cook. That's for sure. Well but what if you did something like the N.F.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► but It but it's a plea Kabul to the rest of the world like F one for example or sock. Or perhaps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► Well the apple thousand move is away now our television is also now platform. And you crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► After helpers in every region of the country. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► You sort out how to help get your stuff like out of like the M L B Yeah you know they made an app platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► and i OS devices they didn't do a deal with Major League Baseball they made an applet form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► And then and will be made the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► And then figured out it's crazy way that you're going to pay for it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► but like that that's an opportunity for people not as an apple move because a platform is global [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► and then individual applications are local That is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► We want to move on to the sweet jobs that are available penny arcade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► I don't know that there's that much more to say about this I kind of a middle over Twitter all morning about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► and wrote The Big Book People haven't read your blog or read your Twitter so you have to reiterate and summarize here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► And as someone who works for the man. Marco you know quite a bit about these sorts of issues and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► I used to work for various men. Do you remember that. It was launched. I think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► So Penny Arcade put up his job listing for one person who was responsible for basically developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► and running all the websites and servers. And all their in-house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► Tools like various like him and Tory trackers when they sell good stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► Managing the conference site stuff like that and also doing all of their local I.T. For their workers and their office. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► And in exchange for all of this. They will force you to be a workaholic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► That they they kind of flippantly glorify how they how you won't have any kind of free time this will be the work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► And your and you'll like it and they'll make up for it by paying you a sub par salary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► and giving you some kind of nice perks. In the office like I don't know like nice chairs and snacks. Whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► You know something i would cost a lot less than than a good salary. And the whole the whole posting has this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► This arrogant attitude of like. This is really a terrible job and you're going to love it and. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► Really quickly genuine question do they. You're assuming that the salaries. Crummy right now they say in the ad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► They say they say were we recognize that we're going to play I don't know the exact words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► but they say that we were going to pay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► Maybe below market because we're not our money oriented company or something like that and we run lean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► I mean the ad is honest in the penny arcade style of honesty. Where they have you ever seen a job ad before they say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► Work life balance. Forget it. Like that's basically what this says. Some you know some place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► Everybody always says oh we have great work late to live the places that don't have great work like the I still say in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► the job at all we're great about work like balance and fact. If they talk a lot about work life balance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► Too much in the ad that's also a warning sign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► But this one they come right out and say you know you're not really going to have a good work life balance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► Work will be your life that's the type of person we're looking for that's the type of job. Says Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► I don't know the whole thing just kind of rub me the wrong way like it. It just basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► My problem with it you know there's a lot of terrible employers out there. And the tech industry is no exception. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► My problem with it is a penny arcade is very high profile and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► It's damaging to people when they expect that this is the norm that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► That they should totally given to them to their job and have no personal life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► and if this is what's normally expected of them in this industry and. Yeah that's true for a lot of employers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► That doesn't mean there's not also a lot of great places to work that actually respect people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► and respect people's health and respect people's lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► and want people to stay there for more than a couple years you know like I reading reading the form posting from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► guy who has this job now kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► And he kind of said you know this is you know like I chose this and therefore you know. Get on my life kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► But it just kind of confirms what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► What we think they mean by the job posting it just kind of confirms that where it's a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► It's constant work you're on call twenty four seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► He says he can't go on vacation anywhere where he's not reachable by cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► and can't get a data connection to like logon to fix a server if it's down. He sleeps with a laptop next of the bed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► Right. I mean and this is. I did a lot of this for Tumblr because Which is why I'm sensitive to it. This is basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► This was my job at Tumblr for the first four years. The difference was I was paid very well and I got a lot of stock. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► And that I think was fair like I was. I was doing the work of a co-founder and I was paid. Like a co-founder and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► That's very very different than something like this which is like they're already have something like it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► twenty employees somebody said they're there to have a lot of employees. They they run a very popular Web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► That gets a that gets a lot of traffic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► They were actually run multiple websites they get lots of traffic there's obviously you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► They could have two people doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► They don't need to have one person doing all this is paid very badly or they could have one. Well paid person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► And they're choosing not to because they simply don't need to because they're they're so popular that enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► will apply that they can get somebody who will do it from was nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► and that's all the other the other thing they're offering is you get to be an employee of Penny Arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► and like that the work life balance so they say doesn't exist it's because they kind of have this big work family thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► The people who work there seem to be happy about the idea that you're you the people you work with are like your family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► And the stuff that you would get in a normal home life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► and I think some of the things in this form that says I call some people do leave it a fiver or whatever and. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► That's But that's the trade off though is that you are. You may not be getting high pay or something but you get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► Presumably to work in an environment that's much more fun than just working for some faceless corporation because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► really like Penny Arcade because you think you'll have fun with the people there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► and a lot of their interview process if you look at their passing of years is about trying to find someone who not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► can do the job but also. Fitzsimmons although the people because they're there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► Most kind of like interviewing a new friend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► We're like OK so this person did the job but we're only going to hire them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► If we would like to hang out with this person because we know that's kind of our work environment we're all going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► hanging out together and doing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► and that sounds a lot like kind of a startup type environment with a bunch of friends who start a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► and like Marco said that's all well and good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► But I know I personally would never in a million years want to do this job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► If I was not also going to benefit from the fruits of my labor like if you are in a startup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► and you are an early employing you work like this because that's how everybody and starts work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► but all do this they all do fifty jobs overcritical as ours they all don't get paid a lot because not a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► and you have to spend a venture capital and like servers and acquiring new customers and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► But the upside is that if you make it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► You share in the in the victory like Margo Sheridan you know when somebody got tumblr stock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► when they sold the Ahuja he shared in that right. He didn't do all that work. And then today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► You know just quickly with nothing right. So if you're in this job and no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► I'm basically no one should work of this hard no matter how young you are no matter how awesome the job is no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► should sacrifice the other parts their life this degree if they don't share in it and that I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► To me personally the reason I wouldn't take this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► and the reason I would recommend would not recommend anyone else take this job is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► It seems to me it's so hard to tell this is a privately held company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► but it seems to me that some people are benefiting greatly from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► From what appears to be the success of Penny Arcade and those people are. The founders of the company like that too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► You know Mike and Jerry. And Robert are are benefitting great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► From it financially it seems like again we don't know we can't tell they've talked a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► but it seems like they're making a lot. The rest of the people in the company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► It doesn't seem like are benefiting as greatly and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► If you're going to have a startup type environment where you're asking this of all the people involved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► And the people are willing to do it in their happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► I feel like they should be sharing in the success of the company because this is not like a new star of They've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► around for years. And this team of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► Has made a very successful enterprise I feel like maybe they all share equally but that whole idea that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► Seven people work their butts off and three people get rich. Drives me insane. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► If you get I mean most of the time nobody gets rich. Sunday work their butts off and everyone goes home set right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► But in the cases where seven people work their butts off. Three people shouldn't get rich. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► Seven people to get rich maybe three who get richer. But that's what I feel like should happen. And I can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► From what I can tell in the outside in seem like that's happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► And again I'm I'm friendly as well as why I would not take a job and want to recommend someone didn't take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► but I think the much more interesting question is Is this a bad thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► If everybody who works at Penny Arcade is happy with their job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► So I think you guys are judging this from a very similar angle to the way I judge it however it is not the only angle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► And the reason I say that is because my first job straight out of school was that this company that made slot machines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► And they the group Group of it was all guys at the time a group of guys that worked there were all. Ex-pats from E.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► Who had bought up the company that they had all sort of kind of co-founded it was a game company called Kess My based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► out of Charlottesville Virginia. And by pure happenstance. A large majority of these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► These guys either didn't have children or didn't have any immediate family so no wives and no kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4432">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► And so especially a couple of the guys there like my boss when I first got there who I adore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► He he didn't happen to have a wife and didn't happen to have any kids and so because of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► He just ended up working on a lot. And he put on this. Exteriors shell of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► I don't you know I've this job is a pain the but but it's a job in this is what I do. But I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► If you allowed me to armchair be an arch armchair psychiatrist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► I think he worked a lot partially because it was the most in interest name in an interesting but it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► It was a really good way to occupy his time. And so I invision Penny Arcade in a similar way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► Not to say that these people don't have kids they don't have to there they don't have families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► but there are people that really do just love working a lot and my boss with this place worked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► Absurd hours like eighty or hundred hours a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► But nobody was really telling him to or at least I didn't think so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► He just enjoyed doing work and he worked six days a week nobody else did but he always did and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► And I'm not trying to say that he didn't have other things in his life I'm not trying to say that he necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► enjoyed every moment of it. But in certain circumstances. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► There are people that really do like you guys recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► and want to have want to have a work experience that kind of is their lives. Is that me. Heck now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► I think I speak three thousand saying that it's certainly not you guys either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► But for some people that is and if you if you put yourself in that mindset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► How would you write a job posting to be honest I'd write a kind of like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► But see the thing is like Robert who is that person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► He by his own admission has sacrificed many other parts of his life to be successful in business he is the reason Penny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► Arcade exists in the form it does now. He sacrificed his life to make this amazing company he deserves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► You know all the credit for that the two artists of course are the spark of this entire thing nothing exists without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► them. So clearly those three. You know. Deserve more than anybody else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► But like for Robert that was his choice he came up he said I'm disability I'm going to leave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► I'm going to make this great thing. And I'm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► I understand the sacrifices involved for it for the two other guys they have wives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► and kids in my impression is yes they work hard and everything yes there are many demands on their time and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► and so forth. But it seems like their work life balance isn't all that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► I mean it's again it's so hard to tell what happens then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► and that's why I was getting back to like one of all their employees are happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► And people talk about like this job burns people out pretty OK it's been around fifteen years in this job has had two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► people in it. So like you know. Seven a half years each. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► It's obviously not a machine that burns through people or whatever not seven and a half years each. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► The first one was there for like eight years or longer even the the guy who's that who's quitting now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► Only been there for like two years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► Well either way it's like two people in the position for over the fifteen your life of the company is not a mill where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► they bring in people neighbor on the mound bring in people and bring them out. But it has. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► It has scaled up over that time as Penny Arcade asking up the job has scaled up so I like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► I think it says something that. That you know they had a guy there for a long time he'd left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► And you know he got really big he left a new guy came in he did the job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► And and is quitting after only two years concedes more money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► But like giving back to same point and I'm not but I'm not implying an answer here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► Like what my real question is like it. If all their employees are happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► Is the company still mean for making a job like this. Right I'm saying the same thing if all the employees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► Enjoy hanging out with the other employees a lot and enjoy working on a lot which is a big a big assumption. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► But if that's the case like if I was one of those people like my boss at my first job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► And I wanted to write a very forthcoming an honest job posting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► It would probably look a lot like this doesn't make it right not necessarily but in whatever. Apply for it hack now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► But it would look a lot like that so like I think my. My opinion on whether this is inherently a bad job posting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► Is there are some inherently bad aspects of the lot of people point out the inherently bad ass we have it is not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► much for the people taking the job and not so much for a penny arcade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► But for the industry that for the position that they're hiring for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► Because the availability of positions like MS devalues the work those people do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► Having a company that is attractive enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► and the intangibles that they're able to ask for people to sacrifice their entire lives. And take below market pay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► It's not so much of their able to do that it's so much of the existence of companies that are able to do that makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► rest of the energy feel like they can turn down the dials on their hiring it sort of makes him like well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► You're expected to work like a dog and well you're expected not to make too much money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► and if too many companies do that it sort of makes it seem like oh everybody who works and i T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► Can never go on vacation and. It's like no you're not Penny Arcade you can't do Do. That because what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► What are you giving me like it's what makes me sad is that this position is this job description is like an honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► You know insurance companies or big Fortune five hundred companies that are just a terrible description sound. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► But they lie on their applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► And they're not fun places to work and they don't give you anything to balance off of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► but still the existence of Penny Arcade in the bill is kind of like. Margot's talked about this on past those and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► Life isn't fair right. The idea of developers and designers doing work for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► Devalues the work of developers and designers. Ethical why are they doing the work for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► Sometimes they're doing the work for free because it's fun because they're college student and it's fun to make apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► and it's fun to do designs and. You're trying to make a living doing your like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► Goddamn these people don't work for free. They're devaluing the work of everybody who does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► They are they are devaluing with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► But they're doing it because it's fun and because like they're intangibles right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► and that's a rough situation to be in and you could say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► Penny Arcade should have a broader view and say we don't want to devalue the work of IP workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► and so we're going to try to have a more of sort of I guess if you call it like environmental awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► but in a job market sense instead of like actual environment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► That would be a reason not to do this that would be a reason to this job posting is a bad idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► Regardless of how happy the employee the not because of the person who gets a job is going to be sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► and not because Penny Arcade need a company but just because of sort of environmental factors and the second reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► This job posting is bad is different and it's think it's much much more concrete and that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► This is a bad deal to Robert to never have one I.T. Person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► Well we were just talking about backups for a million years. Just as a person who runs a business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► This is a bad move business wise. It's. It seems like Penny Arcade does not correctly value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► and you know technology infrastructure in their company because there's a big company there's a lot of stake here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► Never trust that to one person not because you're exploiting them not because no one person can do this not because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► should pay them more don't pay one guy ten times the salary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► You need redundancy you absolutely positively need redundancy and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► and online services is such an important part of the Penny Arcade empire as it existed a that there's no way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► think that any justification to have a single person the does this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► For the sake of the company for the sake of the founders for the sake of the other employees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► Nothing to do with what the job is like you just cannot have one person you cannot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► And has a side effect that if you have two people then one guy can actually go on vacation as many upsides that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► but ignoring all that pretend he's just like an evil turn of the century industrial revolution. You know. Robber Baron. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► Don't have one God You gotta have redundancy so that would be my appeal to the Penny Arcade guys that it's insane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► That accompany this big and successful is going to have one idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► The Especially because their website being up or websites being up. Is such an important part of the business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► I would imagine I know they run PACs and that's probably a pretty big business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► but I would imagine the majority of their income. Probably still comes from ad using the site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► Do you think it's fair to say. I would say it's a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► I was at an even split between Pax merchandise and advertising on a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► but again it's privately held companies hard to tell but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► But they have multiple lines of business and they're big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4917">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► but the thing is all of them have some aspect of it that involves websites and services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► and electronic transfers of money. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► Obviously like they're going to lose a lot for any moment at the site is down it's like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► and the longer it's down the more they go into blues like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► It's not like you know if some restaurant has them psycho down. Who cares. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► You know like they might lose two customers in a weekend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► If you know if they can see the website and figure out their hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► But for some like this yeah you're right that it's very important and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► And part of it like I should even point out now is now I'm thinking about this. My job at Tumblr wasn't quite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► Because David could log in to fix things he wasn't as good at it as I was you know you weren't You're the only one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► Right like. He that was like he that was like his secondary ability his primary ability was coding all the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► You know the front and the middle layer but. But he could log in and fix servers. To some degree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► When I was not available look was not often but you know he could do it. And he did do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► And sometimes he could only like you know. Slightly manage things until I got back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► Sometimes you can fix the problem plea. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► And the and the only reason that it was acceptable to have all of that even resting on me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► Was because there were only two employees. Like that was it was just two of us for so long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► That's why it was OK because there was nobody else available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► and we couldn't afford anybody else for sucked for a very long time to be you know I think if you can get away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► they get all the time one person fifteen years is not like I'm saying that you're doomed you can't have one person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► The fact that they can get away with it it's I think it's just penny wise pound foolish like ignoring of whether that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► person shares an assessor the company to the degree I think they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► and none of us can know because we don't know about their bonuses are whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► but although they didn't mention any equity but whatever. Ignoring all of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► And I'm willing to give them all the benefit of the doubt on that a matter of fact because the few things they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► that probably one of them is that the conflict in buyout offers because who wouldn't want to buy them because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► just a you know. A money making machine. When they entertain buyout offers. What they what the guys in charge did said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► If we take this buyout offer we're going to dole out the money to all of the people in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► and that would be correctly sharing the Enco like it was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► We're not going to take a buyout in the three founders leaving you guys just are out of a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► or whatever it was were if we take this money. We're going to divide it probably not even Lee But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► We're going to divided amongst all employees as if all the employees had had equity in the company which as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► know they don't legally have equity in the company but that was what the founders did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► They're nice guys they're looking out for their people again this is like a family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► And when they took a vote they let the whole company vote on this and not a single. Person voted to take the buyout. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► Even though they knew. Like if we do this you can be. You can get some large presumably large amount of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► Not a single person the company voter base all the people in the company want to you have a Mark O'Connor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► Can you know. Identify with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► They wanted to continue doing masters of their own destinies they want to continue to be the family that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► decides if we decide what Penny Arcade does we collectively we twelve or twenty people in this room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► We are penny arcade. We don't want to sell out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► It's more important to us than the money to continue to be able to steer our own ship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► And I think that speaks to the kind of company and is. I just think. One idea person. I mean just as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► Just as they don't have a single artist in the company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► They have multiple hours doing multiple things and multiple comic strips and. One person is not enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► But also it looks like from from the current job occupants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► Post in the form from his description of his work and his skills. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► It really does also look like he's not a very knowledgeable says admin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► And that he has made his main focus is development. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Not server ministration or infrastructure management you know burning. Load balancer and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► And most of that he just pays rack space to do. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► And that's out that's actually very expensive by the way but he pays Rex base to do and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► So it actually sounds like they don't really have a dedicated system in at all like eat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► It isn't even that this person's doing. All four of those jobs with equal weight. It's he's mostly a developer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► And he happens to do a little bit of system integration for the most part most system in tasks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► Seem to be gone and done. Or at least adequately covered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► It's going on a company that's not a software company tries to write software internally they don't know they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► quite know what's involved in software and Penny Arcade. Seems like companies that. It's not if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► If your company was like Dropbox for your whole company is this like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► Is this software and web services you provide like the whole company is focused around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► and Penny Arcade is a creative company their whole company is focused on creative endeavors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► and they do the creative stuff great right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► There did don't think of themselves as a company as like oh we run a Web site the Web site is like just how we get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► creative outlet to people and it seems like they don't you know don't know how to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► or don't know how to value it correctly because you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► Paying all that money to rack space again penny wise pound foolish. And like for the for the penny arcade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► Ticket sales I think the outsource that this year or some other company that does like Ticket sales things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► and it did not go well like it went the same whenever you see you like cover it live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► or whatever those live blogging platforms that are out there buying I tried to buy tickets are packed this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► And it was the same situation as cover it live where the site was down and you were in a queue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► and you can get pages to load in the never like lower than the C.S.S. and You can tell if you've purchased anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► You know. That was the outsource that and that didn't work well either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► Like that is a core part of the business they should be investing in it way more than they are you know it's almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► if like in in the tumbler Earl example it's almost as if they already have hired a David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► but they haven't hired me like they have like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► I mean that in the least arrogant way that I can say it like they have the front end developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► and let the middleware developer and they haven't. Like this is the job of two people at least and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► They've only hired for the front half of it and not for like the back and half. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► And of course not going to pay somebody enough to do both. I think even the pay thing low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► It's so if they the Add the added honest to a fault and. But we don't have numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► So you don't know like maybe they think they're paying below market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► but they're still actually offering a reasonably good salary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► or maybe they're offering a ridiculous low salary we can't tell from the ad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► All we can tell us from the people who work there and. This one person who's living. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► It's hard to tell from them the guy who was there for eight years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► Obviously enjoyed it and probably just moved on to some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► ELSON is life like there they don't have a lot of turnover in their company they do run it more like a family it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► like all the people who work there are happy with it otherwise why would they stay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► Not like a place where you know it and to be a lot of making a big deal about the do you know you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► It's inoffensive work environment or whatever someone missing that's like legally is boilerplate and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► That sounds vaguely plausible to me because at least one job that I work that I had to sign a thing that said you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► As the core as a matter of course doing this job doing competitive research you may come across websites other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► find offensive and blah blah basically was just saying you may see porn sites. As part of your work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► And you promise you won't sue us because of right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► And because they're out there on the web and you may be going and that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► If you work a penny arcade and it's a comic strip that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► and doing competitive research you may agree on a course of things over never that seems like actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► reasonable thing to say up front to people that like for example you're familiar with a R.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► But just so you know this is what it's about this is what you may come in contact with. It is not I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► Trying to have people sign away their rights to be sexually harassed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► or probably because I have to believe that if anything like that was going on inside Penny Arcade we would hear about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► it right. Like that they're not they're not the N.S.A. Than a CIA the not silencing people as they go out the door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► Everyone who works there seems to like working in there they all seem to like each other the people who leave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► Do not leave disgruntled and hating it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► Maybe it's like a cult numbering washing everybody but I have a really hard time believing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► I still think this is an ill advised. Hiring decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► And I sure as hell wouldn't take that job myself but I am I definitely have mixed feelings about it is this a you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► Is this good or bad for and the person who ends up taking that job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► and being happy with it I can how can you say if someone takes that job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► And they're super happy with it for you know even if they're only happy with their two years like I have people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► sometimes are in jobs for less than two years who are you to say that person they shouldn't have taken that job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► Maybe in retrospect they will feel like they should and I know if I took that job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► And then grew to my current ripe old age. I would regret having taken that job but that's me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► Everyone's different so I don't know. I don't think. I mean to wrap this up because I think I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► I think we're in a little long here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► I think it's a complicated issue because it divides people along the same lines as like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► How much the government should mandate about how things are done or how you. How you live your own life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► And people are so split on issues like this like it. Labor laws almost always have this kind of problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► Where it's like well if you know the the government or the society's expectations or you know from critics like us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► We might say oh well. Having having like workaholism be the norm is really bad and you know you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► You need to have codify vacation schedules and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► You know limited hours or paid overtime to discourage constant overworking and stuff like that. You know you have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► You have issues where a lot of people think that that should be regulated that the government should say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► The government should step in and play well it's really better for people overall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► If you live by these rules or follow these guidelines or restrictions are limits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► It's kind of like a parent role like you know we know better for you than what you've done what you're claiming so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► if the employer wants you to do something. And you agree and you will do it and you're happy doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► The you know the government might say you know that's actually worse for people in general so we're not going to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► And that's a very controversial things similar to that similar to that all of our opinions on this like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► earlier Casey and John both. You know if. If the employees there are happy in that environment. Is it really that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► And so I think. We can't really. You know we can say this is bad in general and generally you shouldn't take this job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► But if they happen to find somebody who will take that job which they probably all they almost certainly will very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► easily because they have such a big following. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► We you know we can't really say like that person's an idiot like they're making that choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► But I think we can say in general. You shouldn't do things like this at but even that is even as controversial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► You should even for the person taking that job like. You can't be sure that you're going to like it as much as you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► And talk about like labor laws and stuff like that. In general like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► This is all sort of talk about first world problems here like labor. Labor laws. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► There's so much low hanging fruit in terms of stopping the wall much all march of the world not paying their employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► enough. This person is going to be paid enough to like get food on the table. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► Right so in the grand scheme of things it pales in comparison to the worker exploitation that happens lower down in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► scale of things but for our little you know. Enlightened world of developers and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► This is like the equip the like the the crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and among developers is that we've probably all been in jobs where we felt like we were overworked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► and we feel like we were in appreciated and then sharing this excess of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► and we see this is the place where that could happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► So be aware don't go in thinking it's all going to Rose in sunshine because it's really really tough especially we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► a young person doing it where they don't know they don't know they're going to like they don't know if they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► be happy because they don't have any experience with anything. And maybe they'll think alike it may be you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► Burnout is definitely a possibility of the Be happy for the first year and realize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► I can never go anywhere in a miserable and I've sacrificed my entire life and I didn't realize I was doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► It's mostly like you're trying to help people go on with their eyes open and I think the brutal and honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► and kind of helps in that but it also kind of makes it seem more exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► and daring to young people with less experience of like ought to do this thing because it's super hard and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► In general it's not even if you're even if they were fixed on the stupid plan of of hiring a single person to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► There are better ways to go about presenting that position to have more have a better chance of finding a successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► match with someone who really will be happy and I position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► And I'll add it with private companies is difficult but you don't just like to wait outside the company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► Just for that person to leave one two three four five six seven ten years from now and say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► How was it was it but you thought it was Are you happy. You know. We told you so get off my lawn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► I mean maybe admit you're going to tell you that maybe maybe they are going to love it maybe they got think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► I have to say having consume tons and tons of Penny Arcade on content over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► and seeing all like what their work life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► and there are many times I've said Boy I wish my work was like that boyish I cared about my coworkers the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► apparently care about their right and that's why they get all these employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► and we just we just want them not to take advantage of that and like exploit somebody that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► We know we have this environment look awesome on camera and secretly inside were evil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► And we're going to abuse this person. And we're going to get some sucker in like that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► That's what we fear but we don't know what's going on so it's that's a fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► but you can't say that's definitely what it's like inside Penny Arcade and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► I know I don't mix and so this is even this is not even touching the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► Mike's many foot in mouth disease problems and his major problems understanding on line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► and again this topic I don't think you guys know about them but it's probably not appropriate for a tech show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► but this job listening is all right then. Let's wrap it up. Thanks a lot to our to sponsor this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► Tang and Warby Parker. And we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► Know the show is over they didn't even mean to say it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► With accidental Joe because it was that death was accidental. And you did a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► And he what else says so that's keep lists and the and team article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5752">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► It's a different key is paying our kid is a division of issue. A company that engender strong feelings so if we see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► We'll see if we get tons of feedback from the people who hate Penny Arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► and say they were defending him too much I'm from the people who love me OK didn't say we were saying bad things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► our Maybe we'll get almost no feedback at all which means that there is no overlap in our audiences. I wonder what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► What do you think will be more hated. Our opinion. Our collective opinion on a penny arcade job posting or me or Casey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► Probably the right I really hated Margo in cases opinion of the bit now I think I'll get the worst of it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► problem with problem of trying to be like to have the dishes he nuanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► or like you you acknowledge the unknowns in a situation like all we have to go on is a job posting at a bunch of video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► the none of us really know. And you know like that uncertainty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► And that hedging seems like what you're defending then you're saying there better is I'm just acknowledging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► unknowns of people hate that because it's not. They just want to see you decisively come down for against. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► And that sort of wishy washy of the they target is wishy washy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► but I feel like it's its accuracy if the knowledge in the unknowns you can't make definitive statements without more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► And that comes off as not as certainty as much more attractive and interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► and so they want you to be certain about something and. I can't. Well I'm proud that I'm pronouncing to visit wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► Probably live. I've always heard divisive I bet if I looked it up in the dictionary now tell me this Tuesday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► I almost called you out on it but since I've gotten burned my a lot of burned myself so bad on these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► I feel like Richard Pryor you know I've let myself up trying to smoke if you will not literally but figuratively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► And so I refuse to make any sort of commentary on grammar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► or pronunciation issues it says one pronunciation devices while it's a divisive issue I'm still I'm still way ahead a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► group or on mispronunciation. Your problem John. Is that you're a fan of Penny Arcade.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► You actually know them you're clear closer to than the ME in K.C. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► I don't know that my I read the comic about. Well you K.C. and I as far as OK we don't give a shit about Penny Arcade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► Like I said I don't I don't I never going to the comic I was you know I like I've I've known of it for. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► Years a decade. But I've never read it regular I've never really cared and. Honestly when people link me to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► I don't even find that funny it's not my kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► Not my kind of thing that you know you have to be a gamer it's a game or broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► but you're actually close enough that like any opinion you make. And you know as you said like by having a nuanced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► Hedge opinion. Anything you say is going to actually anger both sides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► Like the people who don't like them from this job posting are going to be like. You didn't come down hard enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► And the people who are fans of the me like you traitor you're one of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► Like but the thing is it's like the cult of personality where you think you know people who listen to their podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► and everything in a certain point reading Penny Arcade fifteen years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► and going to like inventions you start to feel like you know the people and when they do. Terrible stupid things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► If you don't know them. You just simply condemn them and say you have done a terrible stupid thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► If you do know them you're like oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► You did a terrible stupid thing like if your friend does it don't you like talk to your friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► and say What are you doing man like. Because they've done lots of terrible stupid things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► And I even though I don't know these people at all the feeling I get is not like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► Hey there's a thing I never heard of you know when someone thinks you do something or someone said something dumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► And you have no idea who it is all you know is like oh man this person is a terrible person. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► Like some You Tube video some person saying something terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► or some politician you never heard of saying something terrible. You just instantly go back I suppose All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► But if someone links you to like your brother saying something terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► You want to talk to your brothers they were you doing man I you know you'd hope is that I know you're not as terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► as that is or maybe you are a terrible me to talk about it about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► and that's how I feel that the penny arcade stuff like it was a good poster and see Frontalot which is a musician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► and also a friend of the guys with a similar conflict going. You're enjoying a terrible thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► But I know you guys have it in you to a realize that it's terrible and B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► Fix it and seeing them not take those two steps. Not seem to realize what was wrong with they did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► And not seeming to fix it is just so frustrating a lot of people are sort of cutting ties or like you've had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► You know three strikes you're out you keep doing these dumb things. And maybe they just don't have people around them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► Explain to them what the problem of the really can turn a lot is it. And like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► It's a tough situation and you know I feel like I feel like that I have this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► Un spoken relationship with these people where I totally don't the same way that people feel like they know us because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► they listen to our podcast. And so yeah I definitely am closer to it but I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► What I don't want people think is because I'm close to it I defend these terrible things they do which again I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► want to get into but simply the job posting itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► I don't think that was the right way to go about that on so many different levels. Despite the fact that I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► Knowledge that it is very possible that the president takes the job will be happy with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► and will come out of the company saying I was glad to get that job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► You know it's funny hearing you talk about you know knowing someone who does something stupid and knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► and not know seeing a stranger do something stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► And I feel like Marco that's why you get burned a lot because you're very passionate in very Pinney needed which in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► and of itself is not bad but I think that a lot of times you come across as arrogant and because I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► and Will both of us know you as well as we do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► I don't think it's thing of it and then I'll see I can think of a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► but also the Internet go free cannot speak as Marco said this you know ridiculously arrogant thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► And some Me I'm just like we want. Because I know you and I know. I know one off a bell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6114">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► The where you're coming from to know that's probably not how you meant it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► or even if it is you meant to you know Level two out of ten in the internets taking to the level ten out of ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► And it's a very it's a very similar thing and so it's often funny for me to watch some of the skirmishes you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► You either get yourself into or put yourself in because not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► but most times I'm like oh that instance market the market whatever you get graded on a curve once once you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► amount of rain right. It's scrutiny is much higher and Penny Arcade like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► That's not excusing them at all Penny Arcade has tons of same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► and they guess what you get the good in the bad that comes with that I mean Same with the market would you rather have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► people not care what you say. Or overreact. About what you say and they mean like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► That's the price of a depends on the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► I know but that but that's the price of being well known that the price of being successful in your endeavors is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► Things you say are going to be scrutinized I mean the obvious that the biggest event of any kind of politician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► or the president rather they say anything a fart the wrong way to say they don't like broccoli as an international [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► incident number that with. Maybe you don't. George Bush anyway. We were alive for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► That's that comes with the territory and it's for Penny Arcade guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► A end up doing legitimately bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► and be railed against the the unfairness of being being held to the standard that they didn't want to sign up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► and like. That's. I understand the emotion. But you have to realize that comes with the territory you. Can't you can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► There's no one in your movie like ah ha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► but I don't except that you're going to scrutinize me therefore my actions shouldn't be taken as seriously as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► you don't get to decide that right. You do speak for a large media conglomerate empire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► Your words do have more effect than they would if your regular press and you can't go back to being a regular joe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► Yeah. It's. That's the way it is I feel like I should if I sit down with them for like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► OK maybe they would have to be an island for a month. Because sometimes I feel like I thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► I'm going to see jobs in a room I could convince him of X. Y. and Like not realistically he would walk out of the room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► I need to have him prisoner in a nice way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► So that they can run away eventually though it's like in the movie where like some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► You know there's a prisoner or even just like a student to like him to being the hate the teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► and they teach for the first six months but then they finally come around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► and then the real work it's going that's what you need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► Like someone should be able to talk to these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► and explain to them what it is they're missing because I really believe they can be turned around just haven't done yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► Well it's. I don't think they think there's anything wrong with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► I know that's that's problems hero that Herod is I mean like this like maybe someone could explain to you maybe no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► one's explaining at the right way let me explain it again and his role. Well and you know it's hard when. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► When you get as much crap as they get which I can only begin to imagine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► You know I get some small fraction of that amount of crap and. I am. I'm always surprised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► In the new way that I've accidentally offended people like. It's a new it's like every week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► I accidentally stumble upon a new way to I've offended somebody. And it gets to me it really does I you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► I want to be a nice guy I don't want to be a dick. I don't want people to think I'm a dick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► But you're just so good at it. But I really don't mean to be. That's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► I think that's that's totally unintentional but you but you would learn from your mistakes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► and again I don't want to get into the specific instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► but they'll they'll say something that is like unintentionally. Sexist or Transvaal because something. And they'd. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► And they literally don't know what they just did wrong. And that's the problem. Right. And that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► And the worst reactions to get defensive in double down and that's what they do they get grants of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► and double down on the wrong thing it did. And it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► That's all they have like trying to educate someone to like if you do something that is legitimately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► You know if you said something that actually is arrogant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► You know the way you said it is dismissive of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► and whatever I feel like that you learn from that experience and learn to say the same thing in a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► or be more clear about what you're saying right or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6357">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► You know express your express your sentiment more accurately so it's less likely to be misinterpreted the wrong way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► I don't think you've ever been a situation where you said something that is like totally wrong and terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► And double down on it. And we're like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► No Actually screw you and let me tell you why I'm going to say that even more like that total. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► You know emotional reaction your reaction always is. You know. Introspective and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► Well not always something you know meant but know that's that's the problem is like my instinct. I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► I think which is a natural instinct is to be defensive like and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► I look back on these on like you know things that that blow up didn't mean to blow up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► and look back on like what I actually said and did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► After it's all over and I and I can see like wow I did completely the wrong thing like I I got the fences. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► I was being a mature or angry or impulsive like. I look back and I'm ashamed of it but you know it's easy to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► But you but you learn from it the don't you like you don't make that exact specific mistake again right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► Yeah but I find new ones like you know it's. It's easy to say Oh. If I was in the situation like this. I would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► I would do X. Y. and Z. Like I would react this way. But then it's. When you're actually in that situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► A lot of times doesn't turn out that way. And it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► So hard when you when your instinct is to be defensive or to say things off the cuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► As if you're talking to a smaller group of people who likes you more than the actual group people are talking to that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► It's really hard to get used to that and it's really hard to to fundamentally change your behavior your personality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► To to stand off those rough edges I mean. I'm thirty one and I still haven't figured out how to do that quite well yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► But I really have not figured it out yet there are similar ages I think every tween you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► and I think they're there in their thirty's like they have kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► Similar age like they're trying to figure it out as well and that that instinct to lash out like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► It's not just instinct lash out it's like the things that you get called on are just so minor compared to the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► Well I think it's mostly because I have a much smaller audience so like if I had an audience the size of there's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► think I would get as much as they do if not more because I'm even less experienced at talking to an audience as large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► as theirs as they are. Well I mean. Here's a guy name never like that. So you said something like. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► Well everyone knows the girls can climb trees I guess is something sexist like that right. And. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► And you didn't understand that that statement was sexist. You. All you can see is about the tree climbing business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► And like you didn't understand conceptual conceptually like you know like what sex is about that's just a statement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► fact everyone knows girls can't climb trees like you don't understand the broader context in which US They've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► and like. Then you double down you get are you about and you get lost in the details and it's like you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► There is a base understanding of what it is stay here that. That does not exist in your head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► And so even if you get to the point as they frequently do where they are an apology mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► and the like where we're sorry we. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► The last thing you want to do is offend people we care about all these people like honest statements of apology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► but they don't understand what they're apologizing when they don't understand like the you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► The historical and cultural context of sexism versus just well I said something wrong kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► At some point and now I have to apologize for it but I don't really understand what I'm falling for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► That's that's their problem and they keep doing that over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► and nothing you have done is ever reach that level of like you not you understand why someone is like if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► something that dismissive of like some programming I wouldn't people get you understand it's because you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► dismissive of permit. There's not like a a millennia long. Oppression of P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► Programmer things like that the context that you are completely unaware of or not able to internalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► and it's hard lot of people are not able to internalize those things and. One way is to just you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► and the other way is to try to explain to you know they call them allies like someone who wants to do the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6595">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► but doesn't understand what they did wrong to try to bring them onto your side but explain what they did wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► Like those blogs I think serve a purpose because I feel like I have in seeing not just them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► but on every other Internet blog where someone says something and then than some interest group jumps on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► and shred them to bits. Has made me more aware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► Not that like that interest group is a totally right and I guys totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► but just more aware of issues that I wasn't aware of before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► In a way that gives me a bigger picture of like humanity like makes you question your assumptions about things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► hadn't thought about before. So that you know. So I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► I hope some portion of the audience seeing these train wrecks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► Is coming out of it like maybe those people those allies are being educated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► Even if the people involved in the conflict are not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► Which of this to bed I'm only on tech podcasts I would love to be on progress to talk specifically about the issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► involved here but it is not appropriate for tech but yes it does make a new one I mean you know who was another bug as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► No replied. Yes I mean across three Idiots can do it then anyone can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► I know it's funny I was just complaining to Marmie not complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► but lamenting is probably a better word to Marco I think was earlier today that as part of my new found order ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► like an after poll minus list celebrity is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► I feel like I'm getting the point and maybe just cuz I'm an idiot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► but I feel like I'm getting the point that everything I post anywhere in any capacity is met with a million. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► Like silly critiques and. L. In it just gets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► It gets annoying and it gets frustrating and a lot of times I want to engage and where I think Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► and I are both learning is. I'm trying to get better about not engaging. But my national reaction is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► You know somebody posts on Twitter if you know what exactly they said but something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► Something along the lines of oh you know our well yeah that's what it was it was you know I Show on Blog had had asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► me to do something for his new website and. When somebody had posted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► You know why the hell do I care what this this other guy has to say and I and so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► Because I'm an idiot I engaged and I said something along the lines of Well you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► Even the other guy has an opinion every once in awhile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► And their response which I should've expected was something along the lines of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► You know honestly I don't like you or Marco I just listen for John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► Which is pretty much everyone that was since the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► So I think I remember the sort of did you see what I responded to that person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► No I don't think that's because I didn't see see you. But if you could look look at the thread you'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► Like I rarely engage as well but sometimes sometimes it's worth doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► You know like maybe and maybe it was inappropriate for you to engage in that thing and just so i times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► when I don't like here has been about like a lot of times people will say that they don't like your whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► Thing they don't like within your part cast they don't care about your opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► They will be expressing it not so many words that they have different priorities than you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► The fact that they're throwing that in your face may bother you but you have to also like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► It's OK for people to have a different opinion it's not like what you do like. All right. Like that. There's nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► There's an argument to be had You're not going to turn them around you're not going to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► It's not my job and not my desire to find everyone who doesn't like me can and they should like me. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► The only thing I will engage on is people being mean for no good reason and people getting facts wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► And even even those I will. Selectively gauge on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► So if you will get facts wrong I will correct them because that is something where there is you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► An argument to be haven't and I only do that if I'm feeling energetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► and people being I mean most of the time I will let that slide but today when I saw that tweet. You were talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► I didn't want all of that slide. And I thank my responses don't be a jerk. Because like there's a don't be a jerk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► You wouldn't like that's being just being a jerk. You don't like i'm fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► You don't like we had to say Fine don't keep throwing in their faith in your we don't like your You're going like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► ending you said OK fine don't listen to show the end period. Don't be a jerk about it. And so that's you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► That's like it's OK not to like them. It's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► It's nothing wrong with them maybe you don't like looking at us plenty of things that I like to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► But I think the people out and tell them how much I don't like them repeatedly that's just being a dark. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► I think people. People who don't get a lot of random strangers giving them feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► Would probably be shocked at how much crap you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► when you have a lot of RAM drinkers giving you feedback on the Internet like you know just for extreme version of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► Look on Twitter look at the at reply stream like a celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► or somebody who has like you know hundreds of thousands of followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► or more like look at look at look at Gruber's celebrity. You know. Look at river's stream. Look at his that replied. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► You know look anybody anybody who has a large following. Who who says anything of any. You know value ever and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► You're going to see hundreds and hundreds of people calling him a criminal and tell them they're an idiot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► And you know when you put yourself out there. And once you get any size audience at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► You're going to get a lot of really good feedback from people. And you could get. You could get a hundred positive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► Saying that they liked what you wrote and that was great and then you get four idiots who tell you that your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► Just a moron and they hate everything you do and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► It's really you know for some people who have a thick skin you know it's easy for to let that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► You know his role if you're back and OK that's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► Some people read it bothers them like and I think that is the natural the natural reaction is that's a bother you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► and I'm one of those people. It bothers me. And every every nasty thing that I that I get bothers me. Which is one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► Like. So my recommended thing to Casey but you know I told him earlier I am like. My strategy for this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► If somebody says something. Uncivil or by my definition on reasonable in some way over Twitter. I just block them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6954">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► First offense don't care walk and then it's gone because modern Twitter clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► when you block somebody actually remove the tweet from your timeline you stop seeing it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► Generally speaking a lot more hate. Comes from a lot fewer people than you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► And so you know you might have like four guys who troll you with everything you write or say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► And the same four guys every time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► So if you go hand out for blocks you're limited like eighty percent of your trolling you see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► And I know that you know a lot of people and John even you said you like a lot of people would engage with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► or try to comment or fight back and. And I found that. Almost universally never to be worthwhile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► And almost universally always makes everything worse and makes me get more angry or annoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► or feeling bad about it like it just builds the negativity in the best way for me to handle it just to remove it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► Because I can't deal with that like Joe Spolsky left blogging because of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► Like Joe on software there's so much good stuff on there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► But because he wrote things with strong opinions to an audience of programmers. He got the worst crap from people ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► EDITION to all the positive and he wrote in one of his one of his last like Main Post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► when his blog was was still active but he was basically saying he's quitting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► One of things he wrote was like he could get one hundred positive comments and one negative one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► and that negative only bother him all day. And I totally get that on the exact same way. Oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► If you can learn to to not think you should because I think you should do whatever it takes to you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► Have an even keel and if it's blocking that's what it is but as someone who usually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► I have very rarely buy of like spammers obviously but I very rarely block people who are being jerks to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► Because if you can learn to absorb that there is very often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► Some kernel of truth in the in the negative feedback the you get particularly in the negative feedback that you hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7073">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► If someone says something to you like and they said to me that that I am tremendously overweight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► That would not bother me because I'm not trying to the overweight right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► But if they say something that's close to home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► Right then that bothers you more in the closer they get to the truth even if they're super mean about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► and don't rely on aren't you know that if they're saying it much worse than it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► If there is some kernel of truth you can have the most visceral negative reaction to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:24 ◼ ► And if you can learn to absorb that what you can do is come away from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7104">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► and learn from whatever that kernel of truth that it is figure it out examine it and try to improve on that axis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► If you think it's an important thing to improve on maybe the person saying you're doing something that they think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► bad that you think is good then fine whatever ignore them but if. If it really bothers you because you also kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► Deep down agrees that's a bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► and try to make it better doesn't mean you have to absorb tons of abuse to make this happen you can still block a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► But the the anti pattern is totally blocking out all negative feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► and just you know sort of becoming a Hollywood rock star where you don't have anything like you become Tom Cruise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7137">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► or you know. I don't mean Tom Cruise but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► Where you were you don't let anything negative in you start living in your own bubble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► And that's your way to deal with things and that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► You don't want that to happen you don't want to isolate yourself so much from feedback that you are inside a bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► and I found that most people. If you call them on their B.S. Most people will be you know. You know a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► They'll build a little bit of introspection if you do in the right way it's very difficult to do you have to disengage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► yourself from the process but one Examples are the I was seven kid video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► The kid who was like crying about I listen we talked about on the show right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► So I tweeted that before I think was before the show I tweeted that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► And some person responded to me and said boy that kid you know your kid is a big Brad or something like that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► And so there's two things one one that's not my kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► and two like it's a seven year old like crying about her five year old whatever is crying about things that five year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► old cry about right. And so I kind of just ignored that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► I'm not going to convince them that kid is not a brat that's not my goal. But they got a factor on so I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► That's not my kid. Which is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► And you know I didn't try to and you would know that if you listen to the blow up no I just looked at my kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► One can one want to correct that the second thing is I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► and that's an unkind thing to say because it's an unkind thing to say you're going to say kid you see on the video was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► just a little kid was crying at some point is a brat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► That is an unkind thing to say and that's it that's all I said and this was an older woman who said this or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► and right or wrong you know you think like us older women should be some people are all places people are mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► This person was not convinced my by my you know they agreed that it was a mean thing to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► Justify why they said it over OK Well I'm glad that's not your kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► but I still think they're kind of brought in that was it like I'm not going to pursue that further. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► But I think that that tiny piece feedback I gave them. Correcting the fact and saying that they were being unkind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► Hopefully they gave them a moment's notice of saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► Yes I was saying an unkind thing about a five year old on the Internet just now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► I may be dismissed and move on with their life but I hope that's planning a little see in every month in them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► Now that you know. It's not my thing that's what and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► If that was my kid maybe our reaction would be much more violent than I would block them and I would argue with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► You know the correct reaction if you're going to engage at all is to try to help that person realize what a jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► they're being moral right and like what you said is exactly correct which is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► You know when the criticism is a little bit true. That's what hurts the most. And I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► John you're exactly right that blocking out sources of negative criticism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► Completely is not good that's that's really bad I mean one thing I love about putting myself out there online is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► get challenged on so many things that it forces me to become a better person it makes me a better writer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► It makes me a better thinker. It makes me a better person to have so much constant feedback. Good and bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► The problem is it's. You have to draw a line somewhere you have to be able to distinguish between good feedback and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7313">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► People just being unreasonable or being trolls and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► When you have a large audience you're going to get a lot of both and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► You also have to have to make sure that you're not going to get such a massive deluge of negative feedback constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► that it will discourage you from continuing to be present there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► And you know make you leave the internet or stop doing something like. I have so many horrible vocal traits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► Somehow not a lot of people have called me out on it in public because people aren't that mean I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► And certainly able to have a career as a pod cast or. I would never have thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► Five years ago that I would be making a good chunk of my living from podcasts. Because I'm not a good speaker at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:49 ◼ ► I have so many problems I thought about going to a speech therapist as an adult to fix. Weird things I do want to talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7369">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► But I haven't had a pressing reason to yet because no one call me out on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7375">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► But it's important to distinguish between people being mean for for invalid reasons or just being mean you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► Can i don't think here because I think I have a great example so this person were talking earlier the that was being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► troll was just saying you know. Literally he. This person said I wish there was a way to mute out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► That's just that's just really not necessary and like John city the johns reply and said Don't be a jerk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► However I've seen a lot of feedback for myself. Things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► Why do you hedge so much you don't need to do that you know when I say well you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► Here's this big long opinion blah blah blah blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► But that's just what I think like that I don't need to do that that's not necessary that is sometimes hurtful feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► because it strikes close to home just like you were saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► But it's good and positive and constructive feedback as opposed to. I wish I could meet two idiots. That's just not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► That's not helpful. And there is a big difference between the two. Right and like you know if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► If so many hundreds of listeners. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► Told you after the very first show you had too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► or hundreds of listeners told me after my very first pod cast that they don't like the way. Talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► We almost would have certainly stopped and left. And you know that's. Then like you know then everyone loses we lose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► People who like the show lose. You know so like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► That's bad for everyone so it really is important to have some kind of balance and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► You can't control what people are going to say to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► So it's really important to get be able to manage that somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► and you know that's why hand out Twitter blocks aggressively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► It's just to manage that incoming stream just so that you know I'm not trying to block out all criticism I do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► I just want to try to filter out a lot of invalid criticism and a lot of unnecessary nastiness and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► If I don't filter all that out. I'm afraid I would just get tired of in leave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► One of the reasons I'm lighter on the blocking is because it's like I will never on block a person on your head because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► he got a Twitter website. Like an animal as they say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► And then finally like I'm like oh but you never going to do that and like everyone has a bad day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► Everyone is cranky about something they don't like something you say they'll say some mean thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► I'm willing to give people. You know the benefit of the doubt they say some jerky thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► In till it becomes like oh here's the Perth and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► All they ever say is a jerky thing they're clearly not even a fan of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► or anything that I do with they're just here to harass me no then they just become this becomes harassment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► and then yes you. Paul the block I don't have people like that but. For example a game like the sexes and thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► Tons and tons of people who are just there to be evil harassers and dangerous kinds of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► and I strongly encourage them to hand out the block like crazy in that instance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► All of us I think are lucky enough not to deal with that at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:49 ◼ ► and I can't even imagine with I'll be like they were whining about people saying that we don't have a good pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7549">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► which is nothing compared to the crap they get but yet that there is different categories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7554">TS</a>]
02:05:59 ◼ ► and the cat category of negative feedback I get is of a kind where I do not find myself having to hand out the blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7559">TS</a>]
02:06:07 ◼ ► spam or the no and get immediate book. Well Joy And you've also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:11 ◼ ► You've managed to develop your your way of arguing and presenting points. So well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7571">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► And this is probably because you're so ancient compared to us knew the man is the power of Usenet if you want to see me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► making terrible arguments go search for us at archives for yet. Burned in the crucible of flame wars on usenet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► Now sir. By tons of Google ads. But you know like you've developed this for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:38 ◼ ► What a decade longer than we have or close to it you know that. Like you're a lot better at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7598">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► You're like you know you're like you know there's this large chunk of time ahead of us in having all those rough edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► worn down of the argument style so that now you're really good at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► So I think you get a lot less of the crap think he's you know I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7614">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► I don't think it's necessarily age because you can find fifty year olds who are just babyish like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► I think it just comes from you know like this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► when I found the internet the thing I wanted to do with it was argue about computers with it like like so many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► people and argue about computers I did and argue about computers besom are people. Eventually teaches you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:18 ◼ ► Like what you're wrong about. And how to construct an argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7638">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► And how to be able to either it makes you flee or like it you double down and become even a bigger jerk or if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► If this is really something you want to pursue which it was for me. I became better at it it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:33 ◼ ► Like any kind of skill that you build up you know it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7653">TS</a>]
02:07:36 ◼ ► If you start playing tennis and you keep getting your butt kicked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7656">TS</a>]
02:07:39 ◼ ► And your reaction is to just hit the ball hard you can enjoy the air that is not getting better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7659">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► That is doubling down on your idiocy. Or you can say. Why do I keep getting beat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► What techniques can I learn to make myself better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:51 ◼ ► Let me practice and you know and different people have different reactions I think it's. It's not so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7671">TS</a>]
02:07:55 ◼ ► The the years of experience will help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7675">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► but it's like what you did with those years because again I know plenty of people and you know on Usenet in forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7677">TS</a>]
02:08:02 ◼ ► or whatever who are just as abrasive and terrible and illogical and irrational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7682">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► and emotional as they were ten fifteen years ago and have learned nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:10 ◼ ► but there are lots of other people who left that environment tireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7690">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► and there are other people who are slowly getting better and who eventually. That because if you pursue that as like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► This is something I'm interested I'm interested in arguing sounds crazy but it's you know. Some people are into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► That does not sound crazy at all that it's not just coming from you that you would be interested in arguing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:28 ◼ ► Right and I think to some degree always always like the market why do you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7708">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► Why do you bother putting your opinions on blogs like why do you. You know like you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:36 ◼ ► You want to say here's what I have to say what do you have to say you want to hear like good feedback from smart people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7716">TS</a>]
02:08:42 ◼ ► and forth if you didn't care if you weren't interested in that you wouldn't be putting your opinions out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7722">TS</a>]
02:08:46 ◼ ► Like you wouldn't. Crave that back and forth so that's something you're doing with your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7726">TS</a>]
02:08:51 ◼ ► I am the first when I publish a blog post. The very first thing I do is basically spend the next forty five minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7731">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► Monitoring Twitter. Or an e-mail and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7737">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► And you know hoping that I get some feedback and reading it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► and possibly addressing it like that's the very first thing I do like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:06 ◼ ► If I if I couldn't do that it would feel very lonely. And it would not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7746">TS</a>]
02:09:11 ◼ ► It wouldn't give me as much of a return of satisfaction. Which is probably saying a lot about me and my you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7751">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► Ego to them and our modern culture as a whole. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► But like that's the getting that feedback is of utmost importance and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:26 ◼ ► It would feel very strange Now if I didn't get a kind of feedback. You know and very close friend of the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7766">TS</a>]
02:09:32 ◼ ► Underscore David Smith said in a chat a moment ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7772">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► I find it really important to have a group of trusted friends who can tell you honest criticism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:39 ◼ ► Unsolicited feedback is where things get really rough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7779">TS</a>]
02:09:41 ◼ ► And I completely agree with them I think it's nice to have a little bit of unsolicited feedback as long as it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7781">TS</a>]
02:09:45 ◼ ► constructive. Because sometimes like I was saying earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7785">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► You know I might not think Marco's being a criminal because I know Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:52 ◼ ► and I know that more often than not he's not intending to be an acquittal. But maybe somebody who doesn't know Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7792">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► and so it might be useful for market to hear some random person say hey you know what you really came off like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► But generally speaking I think it's extremely important just like Dave said to have a group that can call you out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:13 ◼ ► say you know what you really need to work on whatever they say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7813">TS</a>]
02:10:17 ◼ ► and it can be about what you're working on it could be about something call you know just how you treat people could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7817">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► about any number of things but having that I think is very important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:27 ◼ ► So give us here all the handbrakes that are going to cover that section of it actually a step in the process to my best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7827">TS</a>]
02:10:32 ◼ ► But I think it's better than the show a little different it's definitely another tack by guess on by the way speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7832">TS</a>]
02:10:38 ◼ ► of things that people get wrong no one is called me and they were my friends calling me on these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7838">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► To chat room call me as they called me on divisive but not call me in that I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► when I partition Maryland for an Aryan style song parody for our style parity for our song. Ironically misspoke. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:56 ◼ ► The name of the R.E.M. Album. And I think I said plural murmurs and that's crazy talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7856">TS</a>]
02:11:00 ◼ ► And it was bad isn't it that just want everyone to know I know what the penalty I'm with I think this is meeting its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7860">TS</a>]
02:11:06 ◼ ► peak of things that are eating away at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7866">TS</a>]
02:11:08 ◼ ► and it's like a song called me on that all the other this Dylan happens constantly is like my mispronunciation nuclear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7868">TS</a>]
02:11:13 ◼ ► Like I mispronounce it all to I know it's wrong I'm not doing it on purpose I'm not like oh I'm taking a stand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7873">TS</a>]
02:11:18 ◼ ► I'm going to say at their own way. Nope. I totally want to say it the right way every time. It just comes out. Nucular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7878">TS</a>]
02:11:24 ◼ ► So many times and as I said in the many to retire I blame the eighty's like I do not want to say that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7884">TS</a>]
02:11:29 ◼ ► It just happens I don't want to happen. I know it's wrong. Thank you for all the feedback people. I'm trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7889">TS</a>]
02:11:37 ◼ ► Also I didn't really intend for this to become group therapy but I'm kind of wedded to this was this was pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:42 ◼ ► It's like back to work. Yeah yeah yeah I was just thinking myself this feels little back to work next week O.C.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7902">TS</a>]
02:11:48 ◼ ► and Comics blah in the mix and a lot. And then lots of comics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7908">TS</a>]
02:11:54 ◼ ► And I actually I would love for Merlin to address this kind of topic at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7914">TS</a>]
02:11:59 ◼ ► and then it doesn't really fit into the show as I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7919">TS</a>]
02:12:01 ◼ ► I think he's talking about this about how to handle negative feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7921">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► and I think you talk a lot about like negative self talk like you. Being your own worst enemy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:11 ◼ ► but it's very it's a similar type of thing where sometimes the things you're saying to yourself. Are just mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7931">TS</a>]
02:12:16 ◼ ► And sometimes things you're saying to yourself are like there's a does a kernel of truth that you need to address and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7936">TS</a>]
02:12:20 ◼ ► Like I feel like he has talked about this I feel like we just kind of did a miniature middle of some weird back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7940">TS</a>]
02:12:26 ◼ ► work. Thing back to the work. And now I was not ready to say the. There I know your friend. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7946">TS</a>]
02:12:33 ◼ ► This is one of the things the problem of being on a podcast is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7953">TS</a>]
02:12:36 ◼ ► You would think the connection between your brain in your mouth is fairly solid. And I listen to myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7956">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► Podcast and like. What in the hell did you just like. I had no I did during the pop guess but I said life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► Words come out that just aren't should not be there. It's called misspeaking and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► I I'm I'm baffled as anyone else when I hear myself say it if you had told me what I had just that I heard then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► But anyway. It's terrible. I love how many people. Tweeted me over the last week. Thinking that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:04 ◼ ► When I said X bone repeatedly last week that was serious. How long if you listen to me you don't get that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7984">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► I joke about stuff like that sometimes come what I like the. I like about X. Bone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:16 ◼ ► Is that I don't think like the gamer community and internet fan base a large has decided whether X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/7996">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► Bone is derogatory or like a pet names like a term of endearment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► Or even just like like well that just become the way everyone says it's so far I think it's both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:33 ◼ ► Some people say it to try to be like you know. To put down the X. Box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8013">TS</a>]
02:13:37 ◼ ► And I think a lot of fans say it as a term of endearment and I just wanna see how it comes out in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8017">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► and that being mostly a term I think I'll end up mostly being a term of endearment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► It is a lot easier and faster and unambiguous to say that the decision the else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:50 ◼ ► And less stupid than the third act like one. Right I mean it's a stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8030">TS</a>]
02:13:56 ◼ ► Microsoft gave it such a stupid real name that we have to come up with stupid alternatives. You know good old sunny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8036">TS</a>]
02:14:02 ◼ ► They put a number after it. They make the number bigger. He wanted titles for I pass out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8042">TS</a>]
02:14:10 ◼ ► and why he was so tired you know you one of those jobs are they work you like a dog AC doing how long the labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8050">TS</a>]
02:14:15 ◼ ► Bergeron I don't know you're in the same time zone as us right. Yes Yes I'm just I'm old. I go to bed early and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8055">TS</a>]
02:14:23 ◼ ► You people with your children you know we can't get on the grill I get on the mike until nine o'clock I'm usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8063">TS</a>]
02:14:28 ◼ ► crawling in bed at ten. I'm old. The case you should take over as an old man. Crawling into bed and. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8068">TS</a>]
02:14:34 ◼ ► Now I'm not arguing I didn't think there was ever really. I didn't think I was ever up for grabs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:39 ◼ ► Penny wise pound foolish is pretty good. I think that you it so good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8079">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► That's is also being involved man with an old man phrasing I go out and play with my hope and stick later. But it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:53 ◼ ► But it can never get real thing like the people actually do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8093">TS</a>]
02:14:57 ◼ ► The hope is that was a real thing but since I'm some dental I was I was referencing the disingenuous joke. It. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8097">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► I think they had the of the first time I remember what the second sense is Monte Burns was like a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:09 ◼ ► and he was playing with anyway. This is a really old phrase like well if I'm fine with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8109">TS</a>]
02:15:15 ◼ ► It's good because it works because we because not only I think I think you actually said that exact phrase during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGJ0Tc/8115">TS</a>]