The Accidental Tech Podcast

42: The Ultimate Vanity Search

 

  we should probably start to show what show yeah that thing that we actually [TS]

  need to ours we had a lot of really really really really awesome feedback [TS]

  about the last episode and I don't say that Sasol congratulate what I mean is a [TS]

  lot of listeners wrote in in various forms and tweets and emails and in all [TS]

  sorts of things to say not only that you know they like all of us and and and [TS]

  that they also enjoy the show in particular they enjoyed the end of the [TS]

  last show and I don't know that ass having group therapy sessions is really [TS]

  gonna be entertaining kinda regular basis but I really appreciate and i [TS]

  think is before the two guys as well i really appreciate everyone that wrote in [TS]

  and said well keep on keepin on so that was very kind of every single one of you [TS]

  and I tried to reply to pretty much everyone that I saw but if I miss you my [TS]

  apologies and thanks thanks so much for having written in there was really cool [TS]

  yeah definitely we got a lot of great feedback about that because I think a [TS]

  lot of people don't talk about this stuff in public on the internet because [TS]

  it doesn't fit into the topic of your site or your podcast and his Dr Watsa [TS]

  various human factors [TS]

  normally get enough coverage but you know that the few times we can get [TS]

  people to show you their more human side usually are pretty well received and [TS]

  will we didn't at least we didn't do it to solicit or fair fish for compliments [TS]

  we got a lot of compliments I'm very thankful for that but it worked well [TS]

  that will help but that wasn't the point right that wasn't the intention but we [TS]

  do appreciate everyone everyone's feedback and it was very nice thank you [TS]

  a lot of people are also said that even though it said this really isn't on [TS]

  topic I guess I would ever like oh well you know but you should talk about it [TS]

  anyway because [TS]

  the same point a lot of the maid was that in particular the technology market [TS]

  has difficulties with a lot of the issues we discussed both you know [TS]

  personalities and technology taking and receiving criticism and the whole angle [TS]

  and you know work workplace problems and gender relations and the whole nine [TS]

  yards it it's true that that is a problems in particular in the tech [TS]

  industry I'm so entirely sure it is on topic for a tech podcast so I guess I [TS]

  know people like all the new shirts are different podcast talk about these [TS]

  things or whatever but I think it's good to do once in awhile and I think there [TS]

  is an angle on it like it's something related to those topics happens in the [TS]

  industry that that's how it's how we find ourselves talking about it we start [TS]

  off talking about the Penny Arcade thing it just kind of drifted from there I [TS]

  think that's fine but I'm not sure should be like a that everything is [TS]

  going off the rails of you start making your podcast about that that would be a [TS]

  perfectly good topic for another podcast but we've all got enough pockets plus [TS]

  you know if it isn't immediately clear to everybody [TS]

  three of us to talk about anything you know it doesn't like we could go off the [TS]

  rails and any possible direction very easily so it's important that we at [TS]

  least try to keep ourselves some wonton at least one topic per or at least one [TS]

  genre of show while recording that show something like that right so yes I [TS]

  thanks again to everyone the road in that was very kind of you and even if [TS]

  you didn't write in thanks for indulging us what we talked about now [TS]

  John you seem to have a seeming to see John a lot of feedback about primeSense [TS]

  last week we're talking about buying prime senses a company that makes [TS]

  connect like sensors like that the Xbox Kinect I started my father had to do any [TS]

  research Casey [TS]

  them by looking up whether what their relationship to the original connect was [TS]

  about their the company that made the sensor there they sold it to my god I [TS]

  know but anyway they make it can act like center now about them and last week [TS]

  it said that the obvious idea would be that out there I bought them and that [TS]

  means they going to use something like the Microsoft Kinect on whatever they're [TS]

  crazy TV thing is that I said what about if they use that same technology and iOS [TS]

  devices do something less impressive I said that not knowing that if you would [TS]

  just simply gone to the princess website you would have seen their listing of [TS]

  products that one of the price the author is something that sized to fit [TS]

  inside a tablet so there you go [TS]

  stretches an existing product that is very small and could fit inside tablet [TS]

  and who knows what i'm looking for like but it's clear that this company could [TS]

  offer a lot of things to both Apple's current product lines and product lines [TS]

  that we all speculate that Apple merry hell even put something like that in a [TS]

  watch or whatever and I had some more info on the issues of this kind of [TS]

  technology in particular if this is a big if if you just look at what [TS]

  primeSense primeSense sensors are like Kinect sensors all I can say could Apple [TS]

  use that type of thing in a television or in an iOS device the problem with the [TS]

  iOS device angles that both of the approaches that Prime since then and the [TS]

  existing Kinect sensor to use don't work very well outdoors iOS devices has to be [TS]

  able to mean I dont know whats percentage of time spent indoors and [TS]

  outdoors but enough time that if you have some of it only works indoors it's [TS]

  probably not a viable for any iOS devices that Apple sells and probably [TS]

  doing outdoors as they both use infrared and infrared outdoors me a washout sunny [TS]

  day because the Sun the Sun is gonna have way more I R that anything that's [TS]

  put out by one of these devices are sensors and one way to get around it is [TS]

  to really cranked up the IR on the device but that burns battery and could [TS]

  blind people as she signs in their face so it's not a great solution then [TS]

  there's also the problem of what is the stereo distance between the sensors you [TS]

  got the kind of pic do you want to be able to get information about things [TS]

  that are really close [TS]

  your finger on an iPad or something or do you want to be able to get stuff [TS]

  that's farther away and there's some difficult tradeoffs there so anything [TS]

  that uses this kind of technology is probably ought to be focused on into [TS]

  application but that's not to say that anything Apple is going to make with [TS]

  this company is going to have anything to do with any technology that we've [TS]

  already seen this is just looking at what they have done who knows what [TS]

  they're going to do and it's perfectly feasible that Apple may have bought me [TS]

  based on some technology that they had in the works that nobody see so it's [TS]

  it's it's a company watch so it's like like pame cuz it's interesting and [TS]

  exciting hardware angle and software is little bit more mutable we'll talk about [TS]

  that a little later think but when analyzed a hardware company you have to [TS]

  think that they bought them because they want to do something similar to what the [TS]

  company has done in hardware that I just buying it to go home to get a bunch of [TS]

  software developers so we could with you guys to work on iOS but if you by people [TS]

  who make this kind of a sensor you gotta think they're doing something with some [TS]

  kind of weird sensor so I'm excited by the possibilities of putting any kind of [TS]

  weird connect like sense there anything that will fix it should be interesting [TS]

  certainly I can't conceive of what what they're going to do with this but that [TS]

  just like you said that's the beauty of it I'm any other follow you are Marco [TS]

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  better and yeah speaking of acquisitions Apple who's still in buying things and [TS]

  they bought topsy which I'd never heard of her I'd heard the name before but I [TS]

  didn't know if they didn't read the articles like first of all how does a [TS]

  company I mean I guess I understand how can I say this but it is what they give [TS]

  over 200 million something like that I believe that's right so this is a [TS]

  company that really heard of are maybe we heard the name or whatever this [TS]

  company apparently existed as a way to mine data from the Twitter stream so [TS]

  they were dead absorb all the tweets and they would sort of index them and allow [TS]

  I guess I'll people to do searches to find out what's going on Twitter and [TS]

  stuff and I guess they resell this to people like advertisers who want to see [TS]

  what's trending like it's a business it's like b2b it's not a consumer level [TS]

  business because these people as far as I know did not make a company worth $190 [TS]

  Apple by selling services to individual customers right I believe that's right I [TS]

  mean from one very very little I know about it because I didn't do any [TS]

  research [TS]

  but everything I think that's right but the fact that they're so Twitter focus [TS]

  this mysterious because why why would Apple by a company so focused on the [TS]

  service they don't own right it's not like they bought a mapping company to [TS]

  help them with their maps they don't have a twitter Queensland so what does a [TS]

  company that has expertise in mining the Twitter stream gonna do for the delay [TS]

  have some other stream that they would like to point tops the ad say we would [TS]

  like you to extract information from this and they gonna be collecting [TS]

  metrics people wandering through the App Store rights I don't know I mean the [TS]

  price tag was little high to be in Akwa higher but I think you know Facebook and [TS]

  Google by all sorts of crazy crap just to get talent in the door [TS]

  really do they're just buying the stuff that's less you know the a choir [TS]

  phenomenon Apple has a big problem that they have a real need for really good [TS]

  staff and we can see a lot of the areas in which there are clearly short-staffed [TS]

  you know we see like a lot of the applications like you know like I said [TS]

  recently that I think their hardware is is better than it's ever been right now [TS]

  but their services have never been great and are still not great and even their [TS]

  software is really starting to go in disrepair in a lot of different areas I [TS]

  think I think the OS level stuff is rock solid I think they have working on the [TS]

  OS level teams they they clearly have great people and enough of them I think [TS]

  but but the applications teams are really strained and that's why you go [TS]

  like you know you have all these years of iWork 09 by this this new release of [TS]

  Iowa that's that is really obviously unfinished that was rushed out the door [TS]

  for for other reasons probably you know line up with the marketing of new iPads [TS]

  and etcetera but clearly Apple needs more people they need more engineers [TS]

  then they need more staff and they also have better retention problem because [TS]

  from what I understand this is purely anecdotal but from what I understand [TS]

  they lose a lot of really good people because there's a whole world of absence [TS]

  startups happening around them around their own ecosystem that they've created [TS]

  and their own employees can participate in that [TS]

  while they're working for Apple and so it's very tempting for their employees [TS]

  like you know now that I've been working you know supporting you I kid or apps or [TS]

  whatever for all these years ago make my appt and an apple has a pretty good [TS]

  policy about if you want to leave then come back within a certain time you can [TS]

  retain all your seniority and stuff so they have a problem getting people and [TS]

  retain people even more than going in making an appt imagine if you wanted to [TS]

  do independent consulting and you have apple on your resume [TS]

  you know that that pretty much is the only entry you need on your resume for [TS]

  gonna do either iOS or west and development and consulting well you know [TS]

  what makes you think that you're so special and you're good at this [TS]

  I used to work for Apple where do I sign it really opens a lot of doors having [TS]

  that on your resume so I wrote my photo [TS]

  it exactly right API that everyone's coating and I wrote the API you know [TS]

  that that's so for Apple to buy a company like this where it doesn't seem [TS]

  obvious to us what part of the company's product they might want you know $209 a [TS]

  lot of money for a car hire but maybe they had some really good people you [TS]

  know most of us are in like the the 10 to 50 million range but you know if they [TS]

  had a bunch of really good people and this is a large web service that was [TS]

  consuming the live Twitter feed for the live Twitter firehose as they call it [TS]

  which is kinda gross but they are consuming natalie that's a large-scale [TS]

  web service operation Apple needs a lot of help in large-scale web service [TS]

  operations did you follow the second link I put underneath us not into any [TS]

  research the the second link is on the dotted line yes I did read that yeah i [TS]

  dont no no this is true or not but all of that net fame says that as far as he [TS]

  knows topsy is pearl company calls it meaning that they implement their web [TS]

  service and pearl and for the most part Apple does not know their parole from [TS]

  their elbow [TS]

  the expertise of the people of the program business companies might have [TS]

  their writing you know server-side applications and perot I can't imagine [TS]

  Apple thinking those particular technical skills are worth anything to [TS]

  them [TS]

  well that doesn't matter when you when you're dealing with the scale that that [TS]

  topsy was dealing with or the scale that Apple is dealing with her or needs to be [TS]

  dealing with the actual language that you're riding your application really [TS]

  does not matter one bit [TS]

  it really much more about how you write it how you use the resources of things [TS]

  like the database the network the casually or stuff like that like it's [TS]

  how it's such a bigger picture thing than just the language you it's like it [TS]

  doesn't matter what text editor you use to write a shell script like it matters [TS]

  what it's doing similar you know when you when you get to a scale at what [TS]

  they're doing [TS]

  you can do it in any language really but when they do a quick hires I have to [TS]

  imagine like if they do a quick hires people who they know they want to put on [TS]

  the iOS team they want the people that higher they could be app developers or [TS]

  whatever but they want them to be Objective C programmers because they're [TS]

  gonna beat you deep in the guts of objectives they are hiring some of the [TS]

  car I scoop they want them to know CBS the API specifically that's been going [TS]

  to be done just like well you've worked on some operating system like I have to [TS]

  think of the technical skills are relevant when in particular doing a [TS]

  choir is it seems to be the top see has from the outside looks like Topsy has [TS]

  abilities that Apple which is it had like they consume the Twitter fire hours [TS]

  and they get something out of it and I think Apple has a very specific thing in [TS]

  mind some big giant stream of data that they want to feed into something and get [TS]

  useful information out of it and its high-volume and they need a company that [TS]

  can take heart of I'm stream of data and do something with it so that that seems [TS]

  like the most likely that I just can't think of exactly what streaming as many [TS]

  possible streams they have all this activity of customers doing things [TS]

  buying things in stores [TS]

  trading applications all that stuff how it could even be map data someone to [TS]

  handle all the feedback we've all been putting into Apple maps the safest thing [TS]

  is in the wrong place or frustrated that does result in [TS]

  action you know quickly I don't know at this also I think may be hard to tell [TS]

  with with the but a sense of purpose it'll be pretty obvious when we see [TS]

  something with some crack crazy sensor on it will be like oh that was probably [TS]

  decorating says the company bought both top see it may be hard for us to tell [TS]

  what you know that may be no obvious moma's all that must have been look [TS]

  that's why they hired top seed to do this and might not be it might not be [TS]

  obvious at all in fact it might be entirely for internally facing tools [TS]

  they do for their own metrics they never show anybody so mysterious [TS]

  also coming back a half step to the web service thing Apple's web services are [TS]

  still in the grand scheme of things and a lot of them are compartmentalized or [TS]

  out-sourced so if Apple wants to build up a big service presence in house [TS]

  there's still a lot of room to start that not quite from scratch but close [TS]

  like to really like get in on the ground floor and and do that they need to do [TS]

  that right and and so if they you know just because these people built a really [TS]

  big volume web service using Perl that consumes the Twitter stream to get [TS]

  certain things out [TS]

  Apple really might be using this just to like start another department or or [TS]

  bring something that was out-sourced in-house you know from some big things [TS]

  are already doing with a fresh new start a fresh new team or or not not not [TS]

  having outside for the first time there's a lot of potential even for that [TS]

  and you know we we always have been saying like every third week that Apple [TS]

  sucks web services and and needs to you know really take it to the next level [TS]

  and taking a lot more seriously and make it a bigger priority in the company may [TS]

  be something like this the start of that higher Microsoft [TS]

  years just a just a couple I don't know how many just hire as the CEO and then [TS]

  he'll make it really cheap form so I wonder though if topsy is about what if [TS]

  it's about consuming Twitter data about Apple and not allowing competitors to [TS]

  use the same technology [TS]

  to look at vanity search topsy tell us that's actually talking about to be [TS]

  honest my first thought which I'm a little mad at you john because he stole [TS]

  it from me before I had a chance to say it was for internal use about like maybe [TS]

  the App Store something like that which you said a moment ago but what if it is [TS]

  about the ultimate vanity search to see what you know [TS]

  Simcoe clubs customer sad which that that abbreviation infuriates me but be [TS]

  fair I think he stopped saying that reasonably well whatever the customer [TS]

  satisfaction numbers and Tim Cook loves customer satisfaction numbers with that [TS]

  but there aren't getting those numbers I have to think that there is nothing that [TS]

  Apple cares about what its customers things two hundred million dollars worth [TS]

  like seriously that's always been the edge of the company as we accept [TS]

  feedback from customers to get a feel four thousand in general they think it's [TS]

  their job to [TS]

  to show us what it is that we want rather than just asking I wanna trying [TS]

  to build that like that's always been the company's ammo and that's that's [TS]

  what we like about them so I i cant imagine an entirely like we need to [TS]

  figure out what's out there about apple or about Apple customers two hundred [TS]

  million dollars worth like this the Twitter firehose is way more volume than [TS]

  you just need the sample users right whereas if you want to get I don't think [TS]

  they're sampling the fire house I think they're consuming it all and indexing it [TS]

  no less stuff which is very different than serving customers the senior [TS]

  satisfaction as I have to thank all they have things in place for all of the sort [TS]

  of market research feedback about what's needing to get repair what are people on [TS]

  satisfied about all that stuff like that had that has to already be in place it [TS]

  doesn't seem like it's a problem area for Apple well so that's not incredibly [TS]

  unique to top see there have been multiple companies that have over over [TS]

  the last five years model people who've come up who who who take the trip the [TS]

  Twitter firehose and our stuff out of it i mean that's it's not an easy thing to [TS]

  do but it's not it's really not unique to this one particular company that no [TS]

  one else will do it by someone or something not not that there there was [TS]

  some other guys is we're talking about that was a long time ago and that that [TS]

  is what became Twitter search that was always funny though because like Twitter [TS]

  was a risk creating the data and they had to buy an outside company [TS]

  me to be able to search the number of tourists are stocked 20 is actually good [TS]

  success story for a company that didn't know how to make wide-scale web services [TS]

  and figured out because to enter in the beginning [TS]

  had no idea the head Ruby on Rails they had I'm assuming it's theirs and San [TS]

  Francisco whatever doesn't like but then they ran into the water giant you know [TS]

  avalanche of users and then they had problems and problems and problems and [TS]

  they figured you know this kind of natural archive any startup likely try [TS]

  to build something to help somebody like said the knobs on the user's call me [TS]

  like excited and more users coming your little bit scared and then you basically [TS]

  have to figure it out and they did barely I would say that the closest to a [TS]

  company that was crushed by its own success in terms of not being able to [TS]

  handle the traffic if they had a anything close to a viable competitor [TS]

  that like had the mindshare they had they could have just as easily gone down [TS]

  as a footnote of like a company that we thought was going to be big but couldn't [TS]

  keep their stuff together and some other companies deliver him but it turns out [TS]

  they ended up getting enough mindshare soon enough that we all just tolerated [TS]

  they're terrible problems and now they've come out of it is so much bigger [TS]

  handling volumes that would have made the head spin back in the 2006 2007 days [TS]

  so if if twenty can do it coming from essentially nothing to a world class Web [TS]

  Services does incredible volumes surely Apple can write whatever you know seems [TS]

  like they're having all the money in the world why can't they get their stuff [TS]

  together and really about priorities I think it and and culture and its there [TS]

  such a big company that they need they need to make significant changes from [TS]

  the top to the bottom they need somebody at the at the senior VP level whose only [TS]

  job it is to do stuff I personally don't like half somebody's right up there is [TS]

  any Q thoughts and accused charge of services or something like that so some [TS]

  umbrella term like that he's basically in charge of the iTunes Store [TS]

  and I think all they're like web services type things you think he needs [TS]

  to be replaced it's hard to play politics with that is it not his problem [TS]

  is it is it like you know is it that he is it does he have an impossible job [TS]

  isn't Q&A in charge of scoring licensing deals and things of that nature didn't [TS]

  he kind of become the defector guide to do that I think so that that's really [TS]

  what we've heard he's always been like this idea story was part of the content [TS]

  deals in anything like that but right now it may be the problem is used too [TS]

  much to do exactly I was driving at is maybe he's so busy working on constant [TS]

  eels perhaps for the Apple TV or whatever one way or another perhaps he's [TS]

  too busy worrying about all of that and he doesn't have enough time to worry [TS]

  about services or not not as much time it seemed like every company have been [TS]

  in there is one group in the company that sort of wears the pants and a lot [TS]

  of times but not always get the the group that originally made the thing [TS]

  that made the company successful and you know maybe company what is today and [TS]

  Apple it seems like the group that has that power is I know what the balance is [TS]

  between hardware and software is basically keep the people who work [TS]

  directly on whatever the flagship product is so you made the operating [TS]

  system for the macintosh you made the harbor for the Macintosh that is the [TS]

  that's the tail that wags the dog and there's tons of other people in the [TS]

  company but they're marlys running the show and that's fine when your company [TS]

  makes the rise apartments offer shouldn't the people running the show [TS]

  who make all the great hardware software that makes her company successful but [TS]

  now you through the Service thing into the mix and a half to think that they [TS]

  are sort of the you know red-headed stepchild of the company where we're [TS]

  writing software to but your software is not I was your software is not always 10 [TS]

  years over something that runs on a server in all we only care about you [TS]

  when you screw up it is no glory in your job just get it done your bad is it [TS]

  important or companies that people keep our mail servers running right and that [TS]

  that culture that they're the B team and they're not as important to the company [TS]

  is really difficult to overcome evil with leadership the top saying we [TS]

  rededicate to services iCloud is a big deal [TS]

  all I don't know if they can get the best people the most money the [TS]

  priorities the attention from everybody because everyone is so focused on what [TS]

  the next iPhone with an expression of iOS iOS 7 and the iPhone 5 this right so [TS]

  companies focused on that launch launch launch and by the way the services [TS]

  better work but we don't want to hear about it from the outside I don't know [TS]

  if this is true but it's very difficult to change that internal culture that the [TS]

  iOS and the you know the hardware and software guys who make the flagship [TS]

  product are those of the glory jobs and a Google the glory jobs of the guys who [TS]

  are in the search engine right to run the web services index the entire web [TS]

  every 10 seconds over the acting up to now the ads at least that's the glory or [TS]

  or the ad the other things us to serve the edge right that makes the money for [TS]

  the company like but it's it's not the glory teams at Google are are not the [TS]

  teams that make I think it's not even teams that make Android or the Android [TS]

  devices this way it's it's the web services I think I think the real hard [TS]

  if you dig down the real heart of Google are the people who run the [TS]

  infrastructure that run all their services [TS]

  those are the real sort of the code is inside inside google the people with the [TS]

  most respect and clout and power the ability to say no to your project [TS]

  yesterday project indirectly by the services that make everything run and [TS]

  that is a very different location in the heart of Apollonius probably like couple [TS]

  people and Johnny Ives industrial design team and like the people who really run [TS]

  the chorus and who decided I guess the compiler team and maybe like the [TS]

  framework steam for you I like that's the tiny little heart of apple and it is [TS]

  so distant from the heart of Google and are now if you can have two hearts are a [TS]

  few could spread the company out or complicated time you want me if you were [TS]

  one of the IRS or Austin engineers and you know enough about Apple to know that [TS]

  you are currently in the chosen one position you're working on you like it [TS]

  you know you have your future paved ahead of you in a good way [TS]

  well you're not gonna be volunteering for going to work on iCloud [TS]

  so anyone who's already there that's proven themselves probably is going to [TS]

  try to dodge the services bowling maybe that's what the stops a thing is all [TS]

  about and I am reaching quite a bit here but maybe the answer is you get a group [TS]

  that's really good at services and again tops a dodgy example but get get a group [TS]

  that's really good at services say drop box three or four years ago when it was [TS]

  even reasonable that they would be bought and have them come in and they're [TS]

  not as bitter and jaded about not being on UI kit yet and maybe that's what it [TS]

  takes to get services to be in a position that it's not a piece of crap [TS]

  we missed the most important part about the top sex which is that if they hired [TS]

  this company and do not immediately throw away all their technology but [TS]

  that's not their plan finally there is a job inside Apple that I might be called [TS]

  so let me know when you send your application and I'll be a reference for [TS]

  a job I can I can only imagine interviewing there but you would have to [TS]

  move you wouldn't move away from the Greater Boston area would you know that [TS]

  i think is part of their hiring problem actually because so many companies are [TS]

  flexible about remote workers now an apple historically has not been the most [TS]

  flexible company about remote work I guess who's going the other direction as [TS]

  well trying to lock things down there but it's really difficult we would like [TS]

  to hire you but that would mean you have to move to 10 most expensive places to [TS]

  live in the country and maybe your family's not near here and that sort of [TS]

  artificially limit is kind of a natural limit but it's difficult when you're the [TS]

  biggest a second biggest company in the world that your requirement is [TS]

  everything works for me as a live around here you're going to miss out on tons [TS]

  and tons of good people and anecdotally I've heard at least a couple of stories [TS]

  about people who have interviewed at Apple perhaps even been offered a job at [TS]

  Apple but it had to say well I really can't or won't move to California at [TS]

  which point conversations over and there are there other places like you google [TS]

  has offices in Boston Navy office in New York City amazon has [TS]

  offices and not just in Seattle they're like Apple I think does have some [TS]

  offices in Austin and like that one guy who makes all the money and Ireland have [TS]

  remote locations but the heart is really you know the Giants flying saucer thing [TS]

  that they're building and you know one infinite loop so if that is that is a [TS]

  possible way for travel and I think that they are looking at that [TS]

  to have a substantial presence like the dot say that everything has to happen in [TS]

  California for are important products of course you know maybe that's a way for [TS]

  the service side group to get some freedom from that is make the service [TS]

  agrees based you know if taxes are on the east coast somewhere so just so they [TS]

  can be independent and then maybe you can build a group there that sort of has [TS]

  its own pride and reputation and is it constantly overshadowed by you know I [TS]

  wasn't johnnie I'm hardware and all that stuff is also brought to you by our [TS]

  friends at igloo software include this is great so if you get it loose offer [TS]

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  landing page they made in a couple of days ago we were talking about [TS]

  enterprise software and how awful it is and Johns enterprise software [TS]

  assumptions and how how John had such an ordeal but the Cisco VPN stuff I [TS]

  Mavericks include because they actually listen to our cool stuff and actually [TS]

  you know our fans and support us for a very long time now includes made a pig [TS]

  in response to Johns midsummer enterprise software it's it's pretty [TS]

  great too good a loose offers.com / ATP to see I have not seen this yet up until [TS]

  just this very moment and this is utterly fantastic but usually on their [TS]

  landing pages they'll sneak in Lake and inside reference or two you'll catch [TS]

  them like subtly this time they went all out it's pretty great so his latest [TS]

  cloud update tinsel arrives this Friday which is probably gonna be the release [TS]

  date of the show so let's say today it's a free update for every customer when [TS]

  you log into your include the new features are immediately available [TS]

  starting this writer with tensile includes making it easier than ever for [TS]

  you to get started [TS]

  some company oh we should plan before I didn't tell me that I should tell you [TS]

  actually is the latest update igloo is a hosted enterprise ready internet [TS]

  software platform that doesn't actually suck that's on their official timeline [TS]

  that might have fun for them but it's basically an internet doesn't suck so [TS]

  they have great design and they have things like Twitter like things micro [TS]

  blogs wikis all sorts of components that they can use for your company to use [TS]

  internally and they're all private and encrypted and secure and everything but [TS]

  you know so they aren't out there in the public Internet so you know that's very [TS]

  nice for companies but it also is not horrible ugly clunky feature limited [TS]

  enterprise software from the nineties with tinsel it was making it easier than [TS]

  ever for you to get started [TS]

  some companies don't need a full internet now you can start your day with [TS]

  just one of their web apps like for example if you see this file sharing her [TS]

  your micro blog button cells the best part is you can still add additional [TS]

  apps into your igloo expanding it later as your needs grow so if you start with [TS]

  file-sharing to replace Dropbox for instance you can add an internal blog [TS]

  and share counters later all in one place simpson also adds a health check [TS]

  dashboard for your internet it gives you detailed analytics and too easy to read [TS]

  these charts about the people [TS]

  content and social activity happening in your internet when your internet falls [TS]

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  ATP to see this great pizza made for us and to sign up [TS]

  thanks a lot to a glue for sponsoring our show this is a great landing page [TS]

  and scroll to the bottom to see if they were going to do item number for because [TS]

  it was nice holiday enterprise software assumptions I think yeah yeah basically [TS]

  and the first three were easy it's like you know when new version comes out [TS]

  assuming enterprise software won't work so they're going to contradict that say [TS]

  well we will work right and so on and so forth the fourth one was actually [TS]

  despite all the terrible news of enterprise software sometimes it's your [TS]

  fault [TS]

  things but not once they say despite all the terrible things that a terrible [TS]

  about enterprise software it's at least partially your fault and they added [TS]

  pregnancies but will help you fix it turned into it [TS]

  their customer service angle if you do something if you screw up the glue is [TS]

  there to help you out so that's very clever and that the little Paris attacks [TS]

  they rode underneath each one of these things very nice and I totally agree [TS]

  with it because it is the internet that I wish I could use but don't and I have [TS]

  to point out just a couple of quick items here at the bottom of number one [TS]

  and just for John flashes optional and their 0 apps acquired a job after choir [TS]

  has yes sorry and the quote am just for John part quote I pulled directly off [TS]

  the page which is pretty awesome and then I also enjoy way towards the bottom [TS]

  collaboration doesn't have to be crazy ass watcher sandwich videos and save [TS]

  yourself for SharePoint which is pretty awesome and at that time I heard you did [TS]

  you guys really get it thanks a lot a blue mens speaking of it sometimes your [TS]

  problem about a week ago I for the second time you would think this would [TS]

  only happen to a geek like me once but no for the second time I called Verizon [TS]

  FiOS to report an outage and the problem was that I had to reboot my own Apple [TS]

  Airport Extreme [TS]

  tell you to do the things we're just plug it in plug it in case any dust [TS]

  settle down and their own parents know that it didn't make any any any kind you [TS]

  know merciful reasons to make media that they just add they have you tried [TS]

  rebooting it and of course immediately I'm like oh yeah I think I tried that I [TS]

  must have tried that men like you know what just and is this actually have been [TS]

  like six months ago also I was so embarrassed like cause I R files has not [TS]

  been that reliable [TS]

  actually about two days ago I had a real addicts like all night and it was it was [TS]

  pretty rough so I've called the mike over the course of having it for the [TS]

  last three years and call them maybe five times about about outages and two [TS]

  of them have been nice to reboot my own router that I use arrogantly not using [TS]

  there's really terrified to replace my Apple Airport having an Airport Extreme [TS]

  like when they were the flat pancake thing and actually a much older model [TS]

  and it's not good doesn't have good wifi range but it is rock solid like I I have [TS]

  had to plug and unplug it sometimes like all go away for vacation or something [TS]

  but like maybe two times a year after that and it just doesn't crash it [TS]

  doesn't reboot it just runs and runs and runs and every other router that I read [TS]

  about it's like oh I have to you know rebooted once a week or it's flaky or [TS]

  sometimes just stop sending data or whatever and that's why I'm so and also [TS]

  I'm using it instead of using any files Harbor I go right from the ont into my [TS]

  thing and I'm afraid I'm not gonna be able to get it to release the IP address [TS]

  of any plugin the new one will be able to get you have to call them to do that [TS]

  they're like it will there's all these tricks on the internet about go if you [TS]

  hold down the button on the moment even make it to a real full reset and it [TS]

  never works like it's it's held for at least a few hours on the server and I'm [TS]

  willing to wait a few hours when I did the switchover the guy who did my [TS]

  install was good and I told him that I was planning on doing it he took up the [TS]

  Verizon whether any just basically said you should you should go to the admin [TS]

  interface this router and you can issue a command and release the IP so we [TS]

  should have demanded the release the IP and disconnect the router and then the [TS]

  next day you connected with it so I didn't have to wait an hour but but yeah [TS]

  I'm so scared to get rid of this router even though it is that such terrible [TS]

  range because the stupid giant tortoise looking thing from Apple that has the [TS]

  FanSided which I don't want and be any other choice that have terrified that [TS]

  it's going to be flaky and reboot all the time I'm just surprised that that [TS]

  you got asked to do all those sorts of things because i dont member I talked [TS]

  about the Sun shone coming off I did but a week or two ago we had an outage and [TS]

  it long story short it was because of a power spike in the box it's in the [TS]

  garage which isn't the only ninety it's that that's like the power station that [TS]

  powers the Owens he ended up getting fried but I called them at like nine [TS]

  o'clock at night and I called Verizon I said hey you know I have an outage and [TS]

  here's what I've discovered that not only is he in turn on the TV or out and [TS]

  the only slightly weird thing they had me do was unplug this little power [TS]

  station as I call it I know that's not the right term and plug-in anything else [TS]

  into that outlet just make sure the out [TS]

  his life which I thought was completely reasonable and that was the only thing [TS]

  never asked about a router never asked anything else that was the only thing [TS]

  they did and then sure enough at 8:30 the next morning somebody arrived to fix [TS]

  it and by no later than nine o'clock observed effects and that was the only [TS]

  time there was a second time I've had somebody to the house about my file [TS]

  service since 2008 I will say also like they I i've had amazing luck with the [TS]

  people that you get when you call them for tech support like they're really [TS]

  consistently really good people at like they and they do I don't think you i [TS]

  think you got the effect of this they do pick up pretty quickly whether you're a [TS]

  geek are not convinced them yes I know what I'm talking about general I haven't [TS]

  heard but you don't usually have to go to jump through hoops yes I okay I read [TS]

  i plug it in to get you can you can you can just tell them hey you know my own [TS]

  tears for the fact that you know what it's called will probably get them to me [TS]

  that's ok here he do this this and this and they're they're really good that [TS]

  they're very gay friendly right as soon as I said oh and I think that flip the [TS]

  switch into this person must at least know slightly what they're talking about [TS]

  this person please read our Forum once exactly so this episode is sponsored by [TS]

  Verizon go back in a minute back to two apple and their potential was but [TS]

  services and the respect within the company [TS]

  how much of this do you think is a problem with the release and marketing [TS]

  schedule is so when when most people do Web Services Google included everyone [TS]

  you know Facebook Twitter everything they don't usually have big press [TS]

  offense to announce feature updates you know they new product maybe but but [TS]

  generally like a future update or like you know a medium scale improvement [TS]

  really get a big event and they won't hold it for a bit of that Apple almost [TS]

  always does that like they their web server is a seemed to almost be version [TS]

  and fixed in time as if they were OS's [TS]

  you know the OS updates that we get we're like they will hold back certain [TS]

  features are fixes or short weeks until the next marketing [TS]

  too long but all in and and part of that is I think necessary because Apple has [TS]

  has been battling this this this image that there are innovating anymore so [TS]

  they they probably feel pressure to like pump up their offense with as much crap [TS]

  is aching crammed in there with all this cool stuff they've been doing but I i [TS]

  think that that ultimately it is really dysfunctional for web services and web [TS]

  apps because I thought how the rest of the world works that's not how the Web [TS]

  Works and like how much how much of their problem [TS]

  stuff in his area do you think is related to that kind of forced product [TS]

  marketing schedule that that both the public and Apple kind of forces on [TS]

  itself the good and the bad part of it is that the web services are not held in [TS]

  high enough steam to be deemed worthy of holding back to the thing that they were [TS]

  they doing the iCloud website know I work Fri cloud over this terrible web [TS]

  services they put that out and they revised it and they improved it and it [TS]

  was like up for bid in on a roll that out to everybody and they'll do because [TS]

  it's not a big deal I don't think it's going to be that flashy and they did [TS]

  though they did them over to the recent event they had been making changes and [TS]

  improvements to it I mean just look at the history of the that interface that [TS]

  they've had that supposed to look like Apple Mail they changed improve that off [TS]

  cycle I cannot during events because it's like they don't they don't think [TS]

  it's high enough priority for an event because it's not going to be impressive [TS]

  for its not their bread and butter and I know that you want to have a big bang [TS]

  and tied in with the new versions of the high life applications but it's like [TS]

  they get to be in the presentation only because they're tied to one of the real [TS]

  products that makes us the time though will be updated and tweak it and do [TS]

  stuff do it i mean it seems like they're better for not being tied to that [TS]

  schedule but inevitably for all their products they're gonna have to they do a [TS]

  pretty good job dealing with the exception of hardware they're gonna have [TS]

  to get used to putting out products on a less monolithic kind of schedule and [TS]

  more kind of a dribs and drabs and I think they are getting better about like [TS]

  when they have to for example the mail update to work with the Gmail stuff you [TS]

  gotta do what you gotta do that didn't come in 10 91 the old apple withheld [TS]

  effort N 91 but the new era of you know people trying to use it and web services [TS]

  and Gmail to get their work done you can hold their potential 110 091 is not [TS]

  ready to come out it's coming but they can't hold the male thinks it has to [TS]

  come out and same thing if there was a secure Safari whatever you gotta keep [TS]

  pushing those updates and I think the change in Mavericks to having optionally [TS]

  automatic updates of all applications on the OS is all part of that hardware is [TS]

  different because you have to make millions of these hardware devices in [TS]

  the months leading up to launch this kind of hard to kind of hard to avoid [TS]

  being run up to a big bang and then sell the couple million on a weekend we can't [TS]

  let that out by dribs and drabs so I think the hardware stuff will still be [TS]

  on the schedule and as long as any hardware stuff is on that kind of [TS]

  schedule which I think makes sense if you have a big sort of opening weekend [TS]

  in movie parlance there some software that's tied it at hardware too and [TS]

  there's no avoiding time something to but the web services for good or for ill [TS]

  seem less tied to the harbor and more likely to be updated off cycle this kind [TS]

  of reminds me in a weird way of companies that say they use agile [TS]

  processes but don't and Marco you will know nothing about this because you are [TS]

  a real job they were correct but ran you might actually know something about this [TS]

  so I worked a couple different places and foremost my career consulting and [TS]

  the place in which I work now actually does do legitimate honest-to-goodness [TS]

  agile development and there's not an overabundance of planning up front [TS]

  there's just enough to get by and generally speaking we manage all of our [TS]

  all of our projects in terms of Sprint's we use personal tracker everything it [TS]

  gets assigned points points are used as currency we cooperate with product [TS]

  owners about what to schedule when to schedule incentives that are actually [TS]

  works pretty well and when when everyone is on the same page when the product [TS]

  owners invested when the product owner understands what the plan is and what it [TS]

  represents [TS]

  it works really really really really well but if anyone if there's any weak [TS]

  link in that system if for example the product owner which is typically at the [TS]

  client if the product owner doesn't have the time to invest or doesn't really [TS]

  care or doesn't want to learn to understand then suddenly everything [TS]

  stops working well and I kind of wonder to bring us back to Apple if even if the [TS]

  web services teams were behaving in such a way that they could do incremental [TS]

  releases regularly I wonder if the superiors just kind of find the [TS]

  prohibitive I guess what you were saying as well but even if they themselves were [TS]

  prepped for really frequent releases I don't know that even if the higher ups [TS]

  in Apple wanted them to do those more frequent releases because so much of the [TS]

  company is based on annual or semi-annual releases I don't know that [TS]

  it will ever really worked because it's kind of like trying to force out on a [TS]

  situation where a deal just doesn't really fit it may be depressed about [TS]

  admiral methodologies and other and other methodologies that are used in [TS]

  jobs put that on top of her future podcast cause that's what makes me sad [TS]

  over the fact that you don't use a towel now almost always liked here is the way [TS]

  here's a set of rules and if you apply these rules that will make you be able [TS]

  to develop software slight confession sure I have never used a methodology [TS]

  they're using on you to do just that I would recommend my method is most [TS]

  important that you're not using one imposed on you by somebody else that is [TS]

  that no matter what methodology using if you got to pick it well then you know [TS]

  it's very different than if a bunch of other people have decided this is the [TS]

  way we are going to develop software and then you come into that environment and [TS]

  have the rules applied to that is a very different whatever the rules are that is [TS]

  very different now John do you [TS]

  does your company is self described as adhering to any particular methodology [TS]

  we use a lot of the words from methodology hold on so so you self [TS]

  described as a child I'm not asking where you are and I don't know I don't [TS]

  think so I don't think the company would say we use because every time you know [TS]

  interviews and stuff [TS]

  use aspects of an address system and I would modify that to say we use [TS]

  vocabulary from which is what it devolves too but shares again i think im [TS]

  gonna put that on the topic list for another for the days I think it's a big [TS]

  long we would never short of being on top again our into a show no definitely [TS]

  not so I will I will let you slide on this one but we will add it to the show [TS]

  notes that don't exist in the notes do you want to talk about this boring USB [TS]

  plug and sort of interesting things like a natural thing is is pretty funny show [TS]

  you the USB 3.0 many plugins is a disaster as as we talked about before I [TS]

  still have that card reader that one by one USB 3 device I still insert the plug [TS]

  on every time like it's it's so weird to get that stupid many three anyway so the [TS]

  news is that the USB standards group whatever has has agreed to make a new [TS]

  connector that they haven't actually shown yet but maybe a new connector that [TS]

  lightly at like the Apple lightning connector will finally be reversible and [TS]

  this will come out if all goes to plan which of course rarely happen of [TS]

  committees if all goes to plan [TS]

  devices that users will come out and about 2016 if you are looking at the [TS]

  notes file you wouldn't know the difference [TS]

  give you for 2015 final specification is expected be published by the middle of [TS]

  2014 that's when the suspect will be done and then it probably did but the [TS]

  thing is with these specs kinda like the 11 specs there's a possibility that [TS]

  manufacturers will start building things to the not technically ratified or [TS]

  whatever proves back like they always do in draft and firmware but a lot of times [TS]

  that are you have to do that with controllers are made with connectors [TS]

  might be a little bit more dangerous but but I don't know but anyway I would [TS]

  expect that the M over the the group that handles USB seems to be to make [TS]

  sure that whatever crap they come up with you can make it cheaply as possible [TS]

  and it seems to be their one and only criteria for success because they sure [TS]

  as hell don't care about making the connector and so this would be a change [TS]

  in methodology but they're still there are still the same group of people [TS]

  saying how many pennies can we say about making a piece of crap connector can [TS]

  have been two piece of metal into a shoebox shape good ship it done is a [TS]

  plastic in the middle of a bent piece of metal and to some extent they should be [TS]

  concerned about that because that's one of the things that has made USB so you [TS]

  know took to reuse part of its acronym so universal that it when he first came [TS]

  out you had like USB versus the old stuff serial para but then firewire came [TS]

  out I think soon afterwards or right before and and USB was always way [TS]

  cheaper to implement than FireWire and and part of this is the other controller [TS]

  chips and and how that's how it's arranged but USB was always the cheap [TS]

  way to go and so it caught on like crazy because it was just the cheapest and [TS]

  saving now you know Thunderbolt comes a firewire 800 comes out USB 2.0 comes out [TS]

  Thunderbolt comes out USB 3.0 comes out in in every one of these generations USB [TS]

  has dominated and won and bien been way more universal and supported in the [TS]

  other thing because it's just cheap and it's simpler it's cheaper for everyone [TS]

  she pretty implement cheaper to host etcetera [TS]

  so that actually does matter here and I don't know I don't have much of a total [TS]

  cost of implementation is like a bit on the connector versus the controller [TS]

  chips and and the logic inside but I would imagine irreversible connector [TS]

  with enough pins to support this kind of rates and and have to support and you [TS]

  know in the physical cable reversible counter is definitely more expensive and [TS]

  more complicated to implement cheap this is not something you should go for that [TS]

  is going to balance the way off base like it [TS]

  going back to lash out penny-wise pound-foolish all week and we can save [TS]

  but it's a tiny pennies by making a connector really crappy and cheap and [TS]

  easy to construct the big one was over that was the smart said to be in the [TS]

  computer you don't have to have like a complicated controller chip whereas [TS]

  firewire interface is were smart enough to sort of talk amongst themselves that [TS]

  are controlling computer that's where all the money went but they will I go [TS]

  but like the mindset is just squeeze every penny you can edit the stupid [TS]

  connectors and ignore everything else and just shift that a little bit to say [TS]

  make them cheap that's good right but it's like it's like optimizing something [TS]

  you have to profile and find out where most of the time is being spent [TS]

  optimized out part so profiling USB like where's all the money being spent about [TS]

  stupid silicon chips in the controller we can't afford a big expense of control [TS]

  like the firewire things we want to make a cheap controlled it's easy to make the [TS]

  incumbent engine manufacturers that's good once you've done that don't worry [TS]

  so much about the connector because what portion of the prices they can actor you [TS]

  know maybe it's it's an increasing portion as a silicon price goes to zero [TS]

  as we keep hearing things I don't know but it's it's just such an incredible [TS]

  estate we talked about that you know the USB connector guys think how does he [TS]

  know whether he did a good job with any of us are making a connector we would [TS]

  spend 10 minutes think about what makes a good connector and surely we've come [TS]

  up on things like hard to put in the wrong way not externally symmetrical [TS]

  internal asymmetrical like those would come up if you just thought about it for [TS]

  a minute and it's it's such a like on the one hand you can say well I say one [TS]

  penny I end up saving five billion dollars or less of a thing because so [TS]

  many USB cables right but the other hand if you're annoyed people for one second [TS]

  you annoy people five billion second you know it's it's just a different way of [TS]

  looking at it so this this gives me hope and what what I would like to see that [TS]

  this would be hilarious is if this new USB connector of which there are no [TS]

  pictures or design drawings as far as I've been able to find if the connector [TS]

  looks exactly like a lightning connector like slightly different like a little [TS]

  bit wider as a budget or something because think about what other kind of [TS]

  form factors can you get for a small connect with us on that giant white [TS]

  floppy USB Micro thing as not even very micro has to be small the whole point of [TS]

  the things devices are getting smaller and you want something small and [TS]

  reversible it's very difficult to do something sturdy of that size you notice [TS]

  look at the existing like the ones that go into your your [TS]

  cameras whatever the hell those characters are terrible [TS]

  the micro-usb in two different ones as one looks kind of like it's gonna wide [TS]

  angled sort of triangular trapezoid thing on the bottom then a rectangle [TS]

  then there's the one that just skinny and looks almost like it's just exactly [TS]

  a rectangular but it's got like little corners chopped off of it I believe [TS]

  you're talking about mini and micro USB respectively [TS]

  I don't know what the name so they're both very small but those are their [TS]

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  pins in there where is that the lightning is reverses like a solid piece [TS]

  of art really soft but solid and the connectors on the contacts on the [TS]

  outside of the solid thing and I think that's the only way really to make a [TS]

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  reversible it is going to be more expensive it is going to be much more [TS]

  complex and you're gonna have probably you know the dollar cables at from from [TS]

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  you don't need as many contexts a lightning is expensive because it's [TS]

  meant to do more than just be USB like it was just used to be there would just [TS]

  be running USB overlying does not just run USB over like lightning is Apple's [TS]

  expansion plan for their iOS devices so the [TS]

  you know it's part of their what how can we evolve our hardware without having to [TS]

  changes connector again it's very flexible very complicated they just [TS]

  basically need to run USB over cable with different connector well but I [TS]

  think it will physically I'm pretty sure that the lightning cable has like just [TS]

  barely enough contacts to run usb3 over it and and and pull that off [TS]

  likes this flexible arrangement where it can change with the pins do and they [TS]

  sent to each other like its way it's way more expensive than USB is going to be [TS]

  but I think I just physically speaking like ignore what's going over the wires [TS]

  and what's talking amongst them just look at the little metal thing you plug [TS]

  into some other thing I think the USB group with a connector that's more [TS]

  expensive than any other connectors but is not outrageously so and then down the [TS]

  line continued you know at the wires connected connected to a USB 3 hub and [TS]

  they are all the same you know cost constraints they always have their I [TS]

  hope they can pull it off I love to have this is things like about half the [TS]

  articles about it and a lot of the comments that that reporters are getting [TS]

  from the various USB spec people from Intel everything that it's so funny how [TS]

  to try to avoid talking about Apple are giving out any credit whatsoever in [TS]

  starting this this thing it's like the W like well we're designed this for [TS]

  emerging product categories [TS]

  think they've already emerged a couple years ago actually the worst thing about [TS]

  it is the USB was way out ahead in making connectors for very tiny devices [TS]

  like this too terrible camera connectors that were just talking about those exist [TS]

  the way before lightning like the USB group saw people want to connect their [TS]

  cameras or they're very small tablets or smartphones or whatever charger like [TS]

  they said they saw the need for small connectors way before Apple did Apple [TS]

  took so long with a giant you know 30 pin connector they just the group has [TS]

  made a series of terrible small connect there's right and like they were that [TS]

  they had all the advantages of the old world P see if we can move fast we can [TS]

  fill needs as soon as we see them and they just did a bad job in every single [TS]

  one of them and to know that could have been embarrassed into this press release [TS]

  by Apple taking forever to come up with anything when they came up with it it's [TS]

  fantastic news for Apple purposes obviously wouldn't be fantastic for the [TS]

  expense of lightning interface that connects to it and so that's why it's so [TS]

  hard to envision this new USB thing being anything other than looking a lot [TS]

  like the Lightning connector unless it's terrible because if they just make [TS]

  something that's like micro USB but a slightly different shape and reversible [TS]

  I don't think that's a win like would you rather plugin say you took micro USB [TS]

  announced reversible are you still it would you enjoy playing that in idle [TS]

  mode and I hate plug anything into my camera it's not you know it's not a good [TS]

  experience and so this is this is a test of whatever this is the USB I F I have [TS]

  stands for but we'll see if they got their act together by what this looks [TS]

  like when it comes out yeah I'm also and I would love them to do this on both [TS]

  ends of the cable and I don't know if they would ever do that USB has never [TS]

  had a symmetrical cable at that but I would love to I would love to see that [TS]

  because certainly the the computer end of the cables is just as frustrating to [TS]

  inserted and insert upside down and everything it's it's just as bad [TS]

  that's what that's one of the things they say in the thing that usability [TS]

  enhancements users will no longer need to be concerned with plug orientation / [TS]

  cable direction again that would be fantastic and this will affect all of [TS]

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  too and they will have whatever this character is in a couple of years you [TS]

  have to assume and the Apple laptops and Apple's computers that have USB which is [TS]

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  very long it took Apple to get usb3 [TS]

  it may be in seventeen years the Mac Pro Bowl finally support these connector [TS]

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  those Dell displays of whatever you got your set up there I'm not buying a Dell [TS]

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  transformer wine and it's it's it's inverter one whatever it is it has it [TS]

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  computer and if I move my feet the wrong way [TS]

  screen flickers returns off because something is like slightly on the edge [TS]

  of you connected somewhere within the cable or the two connectors so I'm just [TS]

  like I actually know I've decided that I really can't can't and shouldn't buy the [TS]

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  another adapter in that in a change that a little have only minutes before it's [TS]

  so wonderful so I have to do have the adapter to this lady cable to the slinky [TS]

  monitor and god knows you know from work or have problems so that's yet another [TS]

  reason why I should wait until I read the display before buying this thing I [TS]

  was not excited by the whatever those rumors were of like a Dell 24 inch [TS]

  Retina Display because that the the logical resolution like once once you go [TS]

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  by 1080 sorry I gotta go bigger than that I can't stand being stuck in I've [TS]

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  big my wife has a 27 inch [TS]

  and it does not that much bigger in terms of resolution but it's bigger [TS]

  enough I can I cannot be in 1920 by 1200 anymore [TS]

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  27 is roughly the same amount of usefulness I'm monitor monogamous one [TS]

  big one because it makes the desk arrangement a lot easier I can fit my [TS]

  speakers on my desk and i know i use tons of windows and the bigger area have [TS]

  to spread those windows that's like having a big gigantic desk we spread all [TS]

  your papers out that's how I treat my screen and I have had multiple displays [TS]

  at various point is not that I dislike it so much but I would much rather have [TS]

  one big screen than to even though the total area of the two may be much [TS]

  greater here so wrong you're so wrong I totally prefer having two screens [TS]

  absolutely without a shadow of a doubt if you're more recently I had multiple [TS]

  displays various I was running two displays back when your PC had CGA [TS]

  graphics and everything was teal and purple so I don't hear about been there [TS]

  and done that I just the way it works better with one another so given to [TS]

  consider is on the Retina screen they have those different scaling modes now [TS]

  on the 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro I do you think a lot of that I worked on it [TS]

  so now I'm pretty comfortable knowing that you know the the native to X [TS]

  resolution is as measured in points it's at 1440 900 which is like a step below [TS]

  what you'd expect for a 15 inch laptop but you can tell the display a run in [TS]

  1680 by 10:50 times do and it just scaled to fit the actual physical pixels [TS]

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  if they do that resolution at 27 inches I assume it would offer the same kind of [TS]

  scaling motor you could simulate the 2560 1440 of of the real 27 and now I [TS]

  would just do that and I'm look I'm sure that at that size and that distance I'm [TS]

  sure you wouldn't know the difference [TS]

  not non native res is impressive that it looks as good as it does on a 15 inch [TS]

  but I don't want that when dust-up know it's there you have I can't see it [TS]

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  that's how they would do it I I think they would release a 27 inch at 38 40 my [TS]

  whatever at a double 25 or double 1920 by 1080 well I keep coming back to the [TS]

  resolution of the desktop images that are included in Mavericks there on the [TS]

  nose exactly four times the number of pixels on the existing 27 inch display [TS]

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  scales it is it renders its own virtual resolution at two X and then down [TS]

  samples that image to fit the physical tix also if the highest virtual [TS]

  resolution are offered was double 2560 1440 it would need a wallpaper that size [TS]

  to be native and it was scaled down to thirty affordable whatever they did you [TS]

  just get up to fit the present and they would scale back down the same thing [TS]

  with the do with any other drawing [TS]

  it doesn't feel the screen entirely I have to think that that they're going [TS]

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  don't like that who wants to run native res its gross I'm telling you I'm I am i [TS]

  55 n all the time I [TS]

  you can't even tell i've seen it it does look impressively good it looks it looks [TS]

  nice enough that I wouldn't mind running on a laptop which is like a compromise [TS]

  machine but on a desktop this gigantic thing with this amazing GPU power like [TS]

  what's the point of it if I can't have you know that's the whole reason for [TS]

  buying this thing with all these powers I want to have actual real need to read [TS]

  in the desktop display maybe maybe I can't afford it this year maybe just [TS]

  $4,000 fine oh wait you know maybe I'll have to buy one of those non native res [TS]

  ones in between two to get through but out there and in my future is far exit [TS]

  27 display native so here is the question that will probably come up then [TS]

  suppose they launched the monitor I think they're going to launch which is [TS]

  3848 27 inches so it's gonna be you know you have to scale it up to to get that [TS]

  kind of real estate do you buy it and just be upset about it and angry for a [TS]

  few years or do you hold back and it still use one x monitors with the new [TS]

  Mac Pro or do you not by either do not buy the new Mac Pro and you don't buy [TS]

  the new monitor until has a resolution you want which might never happen it [TS]

  will happen will happen eventually it's a question of how long I would I would [TS]

  seriously consider buying trying to get like fire sale prices on the existing 27 [TS]

  inches just running backs a few more years so I would I would so much rather [TS]

  run scaled to acts then then run real one acts and it wouldn't be because the [TS]

  nonnative thing to just be because the logical resolution of the one x 27 [TS]

  should be higher you know to me like that real estate I'm trading the ability [TS]

  to have more space on my desk to spread my crap out for that crap looking you [TS]

  know super sharp so I but I would have to say I would have to say like what [TS]

  1920 by 1200 resolution of like if it's 1080 in the short dimension thats I [TS]

  wouldn't want to be at least 1,200 go down not gonna go from 1920 by 1200 [TS]

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  logical relation to a lower logical Res [TS]

  illusion like well that's part of the problem that I've part of the way of [TS]

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  high res antiglare MacBook Pro what is this running out when 1680 by 1050 1680 [TS]

  by 10:50 and what is your 15 run out if you're in like ratified 1440 by 900 [TS]

  right that's terrible [TS]

  atrocious but you can just toggle it here he runs the nonnative to get to get [TS]

  more stuff on the screen I do let me run I can tell you that this is a great [TS]

  utility by the way I want to plug this it's called I from the Thai Spa dyu I [TS]

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  assign the resolution scaling things too hot keys on retina MacBook Pros which is [TS]

  really really nice I have like if you smash all three modifiers and hit up or [TS]

  down arrow I had that toggle through the most illegal yeah I don't know I'd be [TS]

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  what I'll do when I don't understand and I'm really being serious enough to poke [TS]

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  look as pretty as it does on iOS where you've got double the density for the [TS]

  same effect of space justin's scaling defeat the whole point of that year you [TS]

  get a lot more real estate but is not kind of defeating the whole point of the [TS]

  registry in the first place or am I just totally missing something here like one [TS]

  and a half scale where you things get fuzzy around the edges non native [TS]

  resolution but the pixels is so small that non native resolution it doesn't [TS]

  look as blurry as Mary's all make fun of people who run native on there you know [TS]

  800 by 600 I book and they would change the native res to make everything bigger [TS]

  it looked terrible and that size everything is so small that it just [TS]

  looks a little bit softer and I find that i think is more important to me an [TS]

  iPad or iPhone cuz I think it's closed hold it closer to my face that I could [TS]

  see I could see the pixels if they were there on a desktop and because I'm using [TS]

  it for work and stuff I really want more space to move stuff around that I also [TS]

  wanted to be Renault like I want everything that if I if I have to trade [TS]

  one for the other I really have to see what the logical [TS]

  races and just like stare at her while installing seek could I tolerate using [TS]

  this is a nonnative resin in the serb 1.5 X mode I don't know this is kinda [TS]

  like one of those computer philosophy things it's like like you're still [TS]

  running hard drives on your desktop right at home there were a lot of people [TS]

  that that refused to use as DS and might still because they were waiting until [TS]

  they get by like a two terabyte one for 300 bucks something like that which [TS]

  actually not that far off from but for years it's like you had these people who [TS]

  are crazy like me who would buy a small SSD and a big hard drive and and jump [TS]

  through the hoops you need to make that reasonably good just because it was so [TS]

  good to even have a nasty at all it was worth the kind of hack to get earlier [TS]

  than you can go all that's where you know so now I wonder if it's gonna be [TS]

  like you would like the kind of person like you will on principle you will wait [TS]

  and not get this until you can you know have the exact resolution you want [TS]

  whereas I will jump in sooner and I'm willing to tolerate a little bit of [TS]

  happiness to get this massive [TS]

  what I perceive as a massive upgrade that it really want very badly earlier [TS]

  but I really want the actual real estate almost as badly as the right like that's [TS]

  the problem like the thing that will change my life the most will be having [TS]

  more room on my screen with stuff and I'm hoping not to have to go backwards [TS]

  in helping you know to get ready I wouldn't have to sacrifice space I would [TS]

  also get a small bump in space or ever said that that's the other changes i'm [TS]

  looking for and the SSD hard drive thing fusion drive nasa takes care of that I [TS]

  don't think there's an equivalent BOE fusion driving lessons that 1.5 X mode [TS]

  but drivers almost none of the disadvantages spinning disk in almost [TS]

  all the advantages are not sure that's true the non native res Retina screen I [TS]

  guess it also depends on how sensitive because I think the 15 inch MacBook Air [TS]

  is gonna end up being more dots per inch native dots per inch then the desktop [TS]

  display so it might look different than your laptop does not native that's [TS]

  actually a good point yeah you're right about that I hadn't considered that but [TS]

  I'm also sitting much further away but [TS]

  you are right it I think it will be significantly lower density to the the [TS]

  retina MacBook Pros already 2880 by by whatever so it's it's already like at [TS]

  fifteen inches its its most of that resolution 24 K [TS]

  three-quarters of the resolution so maybe we learned anything from the past [TS]

  couple of years it's waiting for Apple to Revis displays is like technology [TS]

  version of the crime name so many of my ben ik [TS]

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  how long it'll be before they peres display worthy of their black trash cans [TS]

  but there was there was that one exception where when they released the [TS]

  first 27 inch iMac that was that was like a revolution in displays for that [TS]

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  thousand dollars or you get a 27 inch iMac with a better quality more dense [TS]

  panel of the same resolution with a free computer stuck to the back of it for [TS]

  like fifteen hundred and it like and they were the first ones to have any [TS]

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  know obviously attached to the to the Mac Pro Glu Glu the garbage can to the [TS]

  back of the well it would it would almost certainly require honorable too [TS]

  and so you can pretty much only use the new Retina MacBook Pro and the new Mac [TS]

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  this before [TS]

  I've talked with us endlessly every episode we've we've talked a lot about [TS]

  how all the pieces are in place it's very obvious that they're planning for a [TS]

  thunderbolt to display that will be read that will work will only with the new [TS]

  MacBook Pro and Mac Pro the only question is when that's gonna be [TS]

  available at whether it will be a long shot for whatever reason they're the [TS]

  original Mac Mac Pros were seemingly slated to come out earlier in the fall [TS]

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  I could be wrong but it feels like they were forced to come out at the November [TS]

  event and they didn't and all the things they use the CPUs from Intel are already [TS]

  shipping in volume to everybody else the GPUs are not new [TS]

  they're a little customized travel but a ton of new parts of the problem I'm [TS]

  having issues so I have to wonder what what's the hold up here what are they [TS]

  holding this back for us' manufacturing plants get it could be but I would [TS]

  imagine that that's happened a long time ago like at this point it's like why [TS]

  even bother really see if this year like I'm sure it was writing as they don't [TS]

  care but it's not as if the holiday season has anything to do with macro [TS]

  purchases right so it's like what kind of company put the new product up for [TS]

  sale in December has nothing to do with the heart is that probably just put it [TS]

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  ready December 16th over the rumor urologist who threw the ship it then but [TS]

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  well keep in mind like the border of Texas is gonna be substantially more [TS]

  rural than Austin alright so I think we're good thanks a lot to respond to [TS]

  this week however igloo and Squarespace and we will see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even need to be in accidental accidental John [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  and a team Marco [TS]

  John whats up your card you do you want to talk about that time it's always [TS]

  another time with do now you know I'm still on the first time gas in my car [TS]

  shows how little driving a do and also getting great mileage because you know [TS]

  stop-and-go traffic all time to work much better to go [TS]

  highway miles now that a five seater 16 but the cervical spine have a six-speed [TS]

  car I was about to see the BMW's my first car I have not entered six period [TS]

  just about to have been in 15 minutes I'm still baby in the car like what I [TS]

  don't even look into finished going to the owner's manual and what do they tell [TS]

  you these days for like an engine break in between 2000 1500 usually be a long [TS]

  time before I can find this thing out to see what they can do that and you know [TS]

  if you if you buy an m5 or least 95 and buy and get it in Germany apparently [TS]

  break-in is just doesn't matter [TS]

  well there is breaking just that the limits are so ridiculous it's a leased [TS]

  car engine long-term I digress so tell me what you like and do not like about [TS]

  the accord with the things I don't like you somehow I am not at all like this is [TS]

  my third Honda Accord it's my fifth on the only ever owned Honda driven mazda's [TS]

  involve those and other things that my parents and my own stuff and some part [TS]

  of the problem is like when you have multiple comparing it to the past ones [TS]

  in my old Honda this was like that and now it's different and so a lot of the [TS]

  the past models have the advantage of familiarity in my mind and I imagine a [TS]

  lot of my complaints about the new one will fade as I become more familiar with [TS]

  it in fact after only driving it for a few weeks now i've seen that start to [TS]

  happen where the things that seem weird for us you just gotta start getting used [TS]

  to [TS]

  and you realize it's it wasn't that it was more severe just different in the [TS]

  car used to a lot of the a lot of the things that about driving cars are like [TS]

  sense memory of like where things are and how things feel inside the car and [TS]

  how the car moves and everything and it feels weird an alien at first but then [TS]

  eventually start settling in for knowing where everything is but some things are [TS]

  clear [TS]

  regressions from passed on this and that's just a shame success as well so [TS]

  what are the key fob is it massive I called the modern ones that they are [TS]

  they having getting bigger right but an exchange like you know the first quarter [TS]

  got was the first car that had something on the key public oppressive and [TS]

  unlocked doors and that's good I like that feature right but it's big I would [TS]

  obviously you'd prefer to be like the BMW magical little thing where there's [TS]

  no key part is just the job for buttons but that's not the kind of car this is [TS]

  that being said the BMW one is in my opinion way too big [TS]

  Norma's compared to mine and yes I'm talking about keep ups for the f30 it [TS]

  did the new 3 series is the same size as the new as the one I have seized of [TS]

  reference to get bigger they keep getting bigger I don't understand why [TS]

  they're so big it's like battery life or something I have no idea so genuine [TS]

  question though John your key situation in the accord it is not a proximity key [TS]

  and you actually do have to insert a metal object into the steering column in [TS]

  order to start car was one of the things that like seemed weird at first base or [TS]

  to get used to this and other change things like this but when you have a [TS]

  metal key that goes into a slot to start your car [TS]

  the angle that slot is something you may not think about until it changes so all [TS]

  the other hand is that we had the angle this I don't know what angle it is but I [TS]

  just kind of know I can you grab the key in your hand you to reach around the [TS]

  side of the steering wheel to stick it you kind of know what angle you have to [TS]

  put it out and it's a more vertical angle and this new record it's much [TS]

  closer to horizontal which is very weird to do you know the twisting the key but [TS]

  that's not complain about the time I complain about the top as the old one [TS]

  had three buns on it in a triangle type arrangement and the buttons were two [TS]

  different sizes two different textures one was concave convex 100 ring with [TS]

  little studs around it [TS]

  if you felt that thing in your pocket you could tell those three buttons they [TS]

  were differentiated way in every way you could differentiate and except for they [TS]

  were all circles it was way easier to fish around their offices open the trunk [TS]

  rate you could feel it [TS]

  the new fob is like a rectangle cut into thirds and the thing that divides it [TS]

  into thirds is it the same level as everything else I just feel like one big [TS]

  smooth continuous rectangle and you have to kind of feel your way along ok the [TS]

  middle of his unlock and the top one is is locked and the bottom on which is a [TS]

  little bit concave is like open the trunk or whatever and so it's so hard to [TS]

  feel around your pocket fine but we have been taking it out I really [TS]

  concentrating on feeling that little ridges and that's a regression I don't [TS]

  know why you would take design you had three distinct widely separated buttons [TS]

  in a triangle pattern of different textures and and make one button that [TS]

  sliced into three parts bad as another one minor complaint department is this [TS]

  is not really entirely hundred kind of their fault so you know when it's a [TS]

  National Highway Traffic Safety Administration I've heard of it is that [TS]

  how you say it [TS]

  yeah yeah there was a car talking it's a date I don't but I say it but I say that [TS]

  our own car parks edit 32 well not that the show the website so we could have [TS]

  just been sitting around but I would like if anyone has a new requirements [TS]

  for headrest not new news last week are eleven years ago whatever that limits [TS]

  the distance between the back of your head and headrest [TS]

  they found like there is less injury if that distance was smaller and so the new [TS]

  rules are that to accommodate people sitting in the rear position they said [TS]

  in the headrest have to be closer to your head and sure enough in this new [TS]

  record if you look at if you were looking at the seat back and the Seebeck [TS]

  was up like perpendicular to the ground which it never has his moments it's bolt [TS]

  upright but if you were to put it like that said arrest is tilted forward way [TS]

  forward to try to minimize the distance between your head and headrests so much [TS]

  so that if you actually had the seat and a right angle which again nobody ever [TS]

  does [TS]

  you could like this hairdresser be shoving your head down and what people [TS]

  actually do is a tilt the seat way back and at that point then starts to become [TS]

  closer to vertical [TS]

  but it is a way different experience of the head right looks like reaching back [TS]

  in and hitting your head like stop leave me alone you want the headrest to go [TS]

  back and it's if you google for like 20 1400 car headrest complaints you'll find [TS]

  people complain about this and it's partially Honda small for making a dress [TS]

  that so far forward like that is not adjustable or whatever I guess but I [TS]

  think they doing it to comply with regulations that the new regulations are [TS]

  that you have to have a small adjustments address this is one of the [TS]

  things I'm kind of getting used to when you realize it's kind of their it's [TS]

  actually fits my head a little bit better than the old addressed when its [TS]

  adjusted correctly but it is closer than I think it needs to be cuz I would like [TS]

  to have my see little more upright then I actually do but I have to tell the [TS]

  back to get a reasonable one more before we begin at the top of a very long list [TS]

  of what we should come back to it each week the stocks in other stocks with the [TS]

  blinkers no way represent everything I can't tell for sure without actually [TS]

  seeing in a courtroom battles because they do have they do have like pretty [TS]

  sure they have a course of flattery battles I think that by the flooding [TS]

  also like the CBT version at some ungodly transmission that I think about [TS]

  how does that even make sense there's not even cures doesn't make any sense [TS]

  but they do it [TS]

  tons of car companies do to stay put DVD in them to their cheap and everything [TS]

  else about flat panels on them to make people have fun flapping my theory is [TS]

  that these stocks are way higher than they used to be like you know instead of [TS]

  being exactly horizontal they're they're up on an angle of 45 degrees and I think [TS]

  their way higher and actually mounted higher on the steering column to make [TS]

  room for the flappy paddles that I don't have in my car so when I go for the the [TS]

  stocks with my fingers you know reach around from behind the steering wheel [TS]

  the resource stocks up their way higher than expected to be on all my other hand [TS]

  as they were lower down it could be that he just decided to stop should be higher [TS]

  up in the desirable all their cars at my theory is that the empty space blow them [TS]

  right have nothing is where the flat panels were gonna didn't wanna make two [TS]

  versions of the steering column what stocks and bonds so that's a little [TS]

  but overall you still do you like the car I have like a list of complaints but [TS]

  that's not enough it today but yet so far has been treating you well and try [TS]

  been trying to keep it in the garage to see how long I can go a current entry [TS]

  nice so far so far so good there no scratches no dings get a little bit [TS]

  dirty but you know so when I walk up to the parking lot I'm still excited to see [TS]

  it but this big shiny wheels and it's intended bodywork things get into it and [TS]

  it's and it's leather-wrapped steering wheel which is nice even though it's not [TS]

  heated and play with all my various AV connections and I'm getting into a good [TS]

  rhythm with the iPod's that i connect my shackled to a lot to listen to podcast [TS]

  on then I take the shuttle at the car with me you know so I can listen on the [TS]

  way up the stairs of the parking garage and everything so it's working pretty [TS]

  well and one of my iPod has a permanent home in the car [TS]

  connected to the actual iPod connector with you know the integration steering [TS]

  wheel controls everything that's what I use listen to music so it's going pretty [TS]

  well nearly the worst friend to have when when thinking about beta testing a [TS]

  podcast I gotta have the physical buttons I can't I cannot look at a [TS]

  screen to pause the podcast and what about the possible that has caused the [TS]

  kids are asking me questions because my wife is something you know I wanna be [TS]

  able to just reach a button without looking and pause and I can do that was [TS]

  steering wheel controls and I can do it but I can't do it with and I was I put [TS]

  up with a clicker if you have headphones liquor and headphones going of the [TS]

  speakers in the cards are playing the integration wanna have found in the car [TS]

  so used to control wheel controls can pause he just kept the off button to [TS]

  pose no we went through this on Twitter yeah just like hearing of the podcast [TS]

  like I like the shuffle I wanna listen to it I wanna listen to it when I am [TS]

  getting ready in the morning when I'm getting out of my car going out of the [TS]

  parking garage open up the stairs to the building on the way back down you would [TS]

  think that would make a difference but that's an 05 10 minutes a day when the [TS]

  podcast with that's fair and during that time I also don't want to be firmly with [TS]

  helping my pocket I'm gonna be difficult to get me to use and I was [TS]

  iPod pocket application to stop making the shuffle men and one of the kids [TS]

  thing today I do they even have an opinion I think they know about new car [TS]

  smell touch you know this is the first new car smell a lot younger than your [TS]

  previous car wow that's true they were too young when we got the 2006 Accord [TS]

  they were alive but they were too young to care about that I'm excited because [TS]

  now they're both old enough and big enough to only be and boosters that they [TS]

  don't have to be in like the big seeds to destroy your car so hopefully the [TS]

  seat in this car will not be destroyed by you know gigantic carsey strapping [TS]

  mechanisms destroyed cars forever is worth so far I've gotten away ok with [TS]

  that [TS]

  like I don't know if it's like having this one legal pad as little skinny like [TS]

  pad between the two but for the most part like I have a thing as tight as [TS]

  hell and and I've been fine but there is probably more durable than in terms of [TS]

  resisting the compression everything and also you don't post anything under the [TS]

  car seat if you go to local fire department though they'll eulogy about [TS]

  the cop who installed the first one didn't complain about the thing I had [TS]

  you could still get it so ridiculous title like if you like shake the top it [TS]

  doesn't even budge late I get that type you know it's so it's so locked down I [TS]

  don't think anybody really complain about it is he still rear-facing yeah it [TS]

  we're to the point now where he he doesn't need to be rear-facing but like [TS]

  that the current wisdom is that what makes sense that you should rear face [TS]

  pretty much until they can't fit rear facing anymore until their needs are at [TS]

  their chin then you have to turn it around to get to their little legs he [TS]

  get caught between the seat and things are there is a leg length limit for real [TS]

  see destruction doesn't happen it's a girlfriend face you'll see when you go [TS]

  when you get a gigantic [TS]

  kick the back that's part of it yes they get their stupid video of the bank your [TS]

  seats but know that the big states that strap in and just pressing down into the [TS]

  to the phone with your seat in like 44 points of wherever the seat hits [TS]

  the car seat has your seats that really destroyed because you have to crank it [TS]

  down with the seat belt and it's not like the rear facing has the advantage [TS]

  of kind of being pulled into the little wedge of your seat like you're taking [TS]

  the car seat and pulling it out that thing into the wedge of the seat where [TS]

  is the front facing one has got a kind of you pulled down into the CD you'll [TS]

  see when you go in there and plus they way more and they have more scratchy [TS]

  things and there's a much heavier kids sitting on them with what I have now is [TS]

  both you can reverse it but there is no seat belt for now it's all latch what [TS]

  model do you have a second I couldn't even tell you would know it's a second [TS]

  talk about something else of Casey 42 minutes while looking up on Amazon going [TS]

  through your order history yet another complaint pedals into closing the record [TS]

  it's the Britax Marathon 70 G 31 yeah it's it's pretty that the woman had [TS]

  before [TS]

  for the infant car seat we had was the great go whatever whatever whatever it [TS]

  was piece of crap like it was every time I had to remove amount that car seat I [TS]

  wanted to burn down the world it was it was just a total piece of crap like the [TS]

  latch the horrible the Britax Marathon has been fantastic so far it's it's [TS]

  night and day difference in like installation qualities views [TS]

  massive difference I don't know what america I think I might have a similar [TS]

  but this is still like a little kid seems once you get the big kids are just [TS]

  like you look at the little the part that contacts the bottom that little [TS]

  sort of the foot of the thing that isn't much that is a much gentler the big 12 [TS]

  Stardust and the other is the food of God the food the grinds into the thing [TS]

  that underneath it as they throw their food out and then it goes in there in [TS]

  the sticky candy gets in there in the seat is grinding into the just it's [TS]

  disgusting cancer disgusting [TS]

  really excited about that I don't have to have those those giant seats in there [TS]

  anymore no more latch no more building the seat belt in [TS]

  doing little cookie ratcheting thing no more that just boosters just boosters so [TS]

  you said you have stopped the first tank of gas and presumably the range on one [TS]

  of those is somewhere around four hundred miles on a tank I think its last [TS]

  minute things like three hundred and something that's ok small tank they put [TS]

  small things so at that rate if you've had the car what three or four weeks now [TS]

  so called a month that says it's gonna take you another three months to just [TS]

  get out of breaking when we go on our summer trip to Long Island this will be [TS]

  the car we think that maybe its first long trip to Long Island never has any [TS]

  traffic or anything that will be fine [TS]

  the traffic away easily somebody from Dec [TS]

  you know it's the same thing in Dec OTC traffic is terrible [TS]

  oh no it's not it's not terrible and so like the house mins [TS]

  Marcos friendly with the Stephanie it said oh you know the traffic is fine and [TS]

  DC's long as know where you're going on now just today she tweets a picture for [TS]

  on 95 or 495 god knows what stopped because Dec traffic is terrible and I [TS]

  think marco was gonna say the same way everyone always thinks they have their [TS]

  own little secret way to they can go that won't that traffic and then the [TS]

  problem is there's like millions of people who have the same idea and they [TS]

  could remember one thing it's like the AT&T store on an iPhone launched by my [TS]

  ways not secret but it my way is not secret but actually avoid traffic sure [TS]

  you just don't know on roads you gonna go from New London dori point I solve [TS]

  the problem that's what we do we go we take could you lend territory in point [TS]

  on that boat trip there is no traffic I guess this boat traffic but in a way and [TS]

  they want to go from Orion down to where we stay you're going in the North Fork [TS]

  is not against her with Travis just nobody there like we don't get close to [TS]

  the city so yeah that's how you avoid traffic take boats going down to New [TS]

  London is usually not that bad [TS]

  it could be a couple depends on what day we leave but but that'll be enough [TS]

  highway miles they used to drive around and then I mean it's not terrible [TS]

  there's always a little bit of traffic around the city but you you would [TS]

  actually end up getting depending on where you're driving it's very possible [TS]

  you could get there faster by driving around then you would by taking a very [TS]

  very very show up in the very kind of slow but you're not driving here in that [TS]

  time so it's better turn that bus full of cars are slower than cars they are [TS]

  but it feels it feels faster because you get a break unless you're like me and [TS]

  kissed and boats but it's a testament to how willing I am 22 drive around there [TS]

  how long will my whole family is the drive around these days that I'm [TS]

  actually going to get on a boat [TS]

  although I dreaded every time but are there any transport method that you [TS]

  enjoy when I'm driving my car with that but you know like to be stuck in traffic [TS]

  i guess im ok with teleportation and wants to work on that I would love Dear [TS]

  John go hypercritical and teleportation I can only imagine what that would feel [TS]

  like I read too many bad sci-fi stories about the dangers of teleportation that [TS]

  I imagined it would go well but it doesn't seem worth the risk [TS]

  go first let someone else go [TS]