The Accidental Tech Podcast

43: Brilliance Enhancer


  there's no editing on the show was not nearly exciting enough well it was [TS]

  embarrassing for me so I thought they were there was a pretty good shot you'd [TS]

  want in there so we have a little bit of follow-up the first thing is an animal [TS]

  little disappointed that this has gotten a little bit of publicity cuz I was [TS]

  hoping to wow everyone with with revealing this on the show but there is [TS]

  a listener who wrote far and away my favorite thing I've ever read on the [TS]

  internet [TS]

  his name is Joe steal if I'm not mistaken and he wrote and a screenplay [TS]

  review of the accidental tech podcast and as it turns out and realizes that [TS]

  the time as it turns out he's actually done several these and he even has a [TS]

  tumblr where he posts them so he's done one needed one for the prompt which is [TS]

  falsely advertised as great as Pakistan world he did one for Bionic which I [TS]

  actually thought was quite funny i mean he's done it for summarizing comparably [TS]

  did one after the other ones are but they're they're really really really [TS]

  funny and I absolutely adored ours I thought it was hysterical and so many [TS]

  thanks to Joe steel for writing that inventive in in hilarious review and if [TS]

  you ever wanted to to trick us into mentioning your name on the show that's [TS]

  how you do it has been mentioned by writing an awesome review that's [TS]

  hysterical does not track that's a legitimate way to do it [TS]

  speaking of Bionic I heard bionic leg since the beginning now I only started [TS]

  listening a handful of episodes back but don't tell my corner are mad about that [TS]

  so I I always assumed it was about comics I didn't listen to it and then [TS]

  when Merlin was on as guest host I listened to that when I kept listening [TS]

  after that and I don't know what's going on in that show in either do however [TS]

  like I don't I couldn't tell you what about like I i heard them say that it [TS]

  used to be about ecosystem so that's that's as good as any but I like it it's [TS]

  really weird and but it's funny like it's you can tell that you're walking in [TS]

  on what's clearly a long running series of inside jokes but they managed to make [TS]

  it funny even if you don't know the backstory you can kind of you can figure [TS]

  out enough that you can live with it [TS]

  and occasionally like actual tech discussion so it's pretty cool I [TS]

  actually like now I agree I i I also didn't listen to it because I thought I [TS]

  was way too late in the inside joke category which is to some degree why I [TS]

  wanted the excuses I used for you look nice today and you don't have to lecture [TS]

  me I know I need to listen to it it's on the list but yes I never jumped into [TS]

  Bionic until five ish episodes ago like I said it's actually it's actually quite [TS]

  entertaining I I'm not sure I understand what's going on [TS]

  amber but I still enjoy it nevertheless I can pretty much do that's good we also [TS]

  had some follow-up on the retina display we we talked about the last episode [TS]

  about possibilities for what Apple could release or when anybody could release [TS]

  for that matter in regards to a desktop display we look at the at the new Dell [TS]

  ones are coming out and John brought up in his Mavericks reviewer somewhere that [TS]

  right john when did you pick up the wallpaper size is a maverick so so you [TS]

  brought up there about how the the wallpaper that comes with the system is [TS]

  available in exactly 5120 by 2880 which is exactly double the WX dimension of [TS]

  the current 27 inch Cinema Display and that would be awesome to have that as a [TS]

  Retina screen we haven't seen any monitors come out with that resolution [TS]

  of the highest we've seen is for case 3840 2160 and we had talked to them last [TS]

  episode what if Apple releases that resolution of 3840 wide as a Retina [TS]

  Display rather than like the full written 27 inch which would be 5121 and [TS]

  we had a number of people pointing out that actually the current version of [TS]

  even Thunderbolt to DisplayPort 1.2 the two current you know ways to connect a [TS]

  monitor to video card those don't support enough bandwidth to run 5120 [TS]

  wide at 60 frames a second they just can't do it that that takes roughly 28 [TS]

  gigabits per second and they both top out at about twenty and so we're [TS]

  actually pretty far from that DisplayPort 1.3 is the next upcoming [TS]

  versions [TS]

  support that will support up to AK resolution at 60 Hertz it raises the BBM [TS]

  with but that's not available yet are you getting the sleep or 1.2 bandwidth [TS]

  from Wikipedia is like 17 something and you have a year's 21 it was unclear to [TS]

  me exactly what it was but it says it says in this little sidebar that you can [TS]

  have up to four channels at whatever that divided by four is so that's from [TS]

  the theoretical max but either way it's need a definable to DisplayPort 1.2 [TS]

  issues which is the current best version of both of those things neither of those [TS]

  contrive a display of the size that you want and where and for the 51 [TS]

  twenty-by-twenty 888 comedy bits per pixel is that something that was at 32 [TS]

  however it also doesn't work 24 I would it be 32 bits per pixel I don't know [TS]

  that's how everyone else was calculating it so I did that but even at 24 bits per [TS]

  pixel it still isn't it still too much space like 21 or something Gigabit [TS]

  Switch still over the 17 ish at 1.2 but yeah wait a little longer said either [TS]

  way you can't do it so that like this possibility is the resolutions in [TS]

  between there but who like 80 is bosnia 24 K doesn't really 4,000 anything but I [TS]

  think forecast kind of an umbrella term doesn't apply to any specific resolution [TS]

  is one of those BS thanks right there's like four or five different ones that [TS]

  all our kind of considered for K through and there was the many stories about the [TS]

  sharp for k display appearing in some European Apple Store briefly before [TS]

  disappearing yeah I don't really think that indicates anything useful [TS]

  you know people obviously some that all of us a lot when it came out in the news [TS]

  a few days ago and I mean apple has sold third-party monitors and stuff before in [TS]

  their store so it it I don't think indicate anything whether Apple released [TS]

  their own or not I really don't think it's anything but it was another 3840 [TS]

  2160 yeah exactly like so I mean I really think that's what we're going to [TS]

  be sticking with for the next few years I think that's gonna be the highest [TS]

  resolution you can get because nothing to drive anything better than that and [TS]

  I'm guessing you're still think Apple will make one of you I think they will I [TS]

  am NOT necessarily sure when [TS]

  we'll see on the iMac first and then the end of next year [TS]

  well Dell's making one now the fact that they put the Mac Pro up there and said [TS]

  and it can drive 34 K display they really expecting us to buy votes for que [TS]

  despues from someone other than them because it is the margins are too low on [TS]

  on these displays me don't care just froze but never use the Apple displays [TS]

  anyway because they have their specially I don't I don't quite understand that [TS]

  it's kind of like an apple discontinued the Xserve RAID and said I'll just buy [TS]

  these other ugly purple weird plastic arrayed things that was not very a [TS]

  polite thing to do is very strange seeing them do that remember that time [TS]

  oh yeah I mean I really think what we're in for here is Dell's gonna release [TS]

  theirs if it is not already out I don't think but I think it's coming soon very [TS]

  soon so Delta release there that they said it was what fifteen hundred bucks [TS]

  14 bucks something that for the for the 24 and I think that's going to be the [TS]

  new hotness for nerds like us [TS]

  assuming that it can be driven by the new Mac Pro a new Retina MacBook Pros at [TS]

  that resolution and be treated as two ex I think people going about a lot of [TS]

  Apple to make their own and I if Apple releases a 27 inch version of that and [TS]

  the Dell one works fine 24 inches I really might go at the Dell one I don't [TS]

  know that I've had Dell displays before they've been fine [TS]

  like like like the plastic around them as crap the stand is crap the buttons [TS]

  always flake and fall offer spin around and stop working i mean they're built [TS]

  like crap the panels are was really good I could always really good image quality [TS]

  for a really good price and usually with tons of inputs and card readers and USB [TS]

  hubs and all that other stuff so i've been i've had perfectly fine experience [TS]

  of the tell displays have actually never had an Apple display of always used [TS]

  third parties please so I I would be fine with that but it happened next one [TS]

  at the right side like 24 which I don't think they would if they may 24 by that [TS]

  no question but if the Dell one in the Apple Online aborting the same again if [TS]

  if I can use the Dell won a trip like being treated as a retina monitored by [TS]

  the by the computer with no like really horrible flaky hacks that fell [TS]

  constantly [TS]

  me I don't see a lot of reason not to do that has not been much of a flake the [TS]

  fact that it's you know used up till to enable it is not that big a deal as far [TS]

  as I can tell it's the same code path everywhere as if you had a Retina [TS]

  Display like all the software running is outputting you know double resolution [TS]

  just like it would be if it was displayed that resolution and I don't [TS]

  think there's any additional weirdness about it or maybe unlike the login [TS]

  screen said to a lot on my West End testing its budget for maverick since [TS]

  all the screens around and I don't have a random act had to be done in this mode [TS]

  and when you put it in this mode even the login screen will be in this mode [TS]

  too and it's kind of weird then when you go to the login screen a log into [TS]

  someone's account doesn't have that settings that log out of 10 backing is a [TS]

  little weird there but he just kept in that mode the whole time I think it [TS]

  would be ok and you would imagine that point updated voice 10 would recognize [TS]

  $1 some of their four Ks display and treated like a Retina screen you know [TS]

  like you wouldn't have to do that happened why would Apple making sure [TS]

  that isn't a big deal for them to just show those supported resolutions I don't [TS]

  know why I bet they would he do that but there's like a million like you know I [TS]

  mentioned I from the last week the DA utility to swap the resolutions on the [TS]

  MacBook Pro I I bet I bet all those utilities and and and default right [TS]

  direction although all those System Preferences tricks that let you enable [TS]

  modes that Apple doesn't officially think that your monitor can support I [TS]

  bet those same tricks will work to do this but if Apple doesn't have their own [TS]

  displays of their solution is like it was for the Xserve RAID 0 just by the [TS]

  third-party monitor they can't buy the third tell you to buy the third-party [TS]

  monitor then also expected to Google for how to get the graphics tools out of the [TS]

  Xcode passage package and run the courts the bug thing and put the option like [TS]

  they're gonna go third party it's gotta support the third parties if they have [TS]

  their own first party won yet they may be doing able to manually until the Mac [TS]

  Pro actually comes out and Apple doesn't have this monitor available I'm still [TS]

  gonna keep leaving there's hope for it [TS]

  but again but at this Dell one is out and I am pretty sure Apple so you know [TS]

  now that we have this info about dammit limits I'm positive that Apple will not [TS]

  release one that is the full 5120 would I'm also not positive but I'm fairly [TS]

  sure that if they did release a fork a monitor it would be probably 27 inches I [TS]

  don't see them releasing a smaller monitor them that it's just it's not [TS]

  that big of a market for them so I so we can't have the superresolution at 27 [TS]

  inches [TS]

  you know what's better to nineteen twenties I to you know to 38 40 [TS]

  resolution ones that are treated in nineteen twenties is 24 inches that [TS]

  might be better as we said last show but obviously I know januari monitor [TS]

  monogamous I i still think no monitors this year will come out there might be [TS]

  some third-party options but no monitors cause I don't understand why they would [TS]

  keep the monitor so secret for so long and then just how and by the way the [TS]

  night president here these new Apple monitors with that you see no monitors [TS]

  is here from Apple do you think that we're going to get a Mac Pro before the [TS]

  end of the year and how they said December 10 December isn't over but we [TS]

  run at a time [TS]

  some of that we said last show that it doesn't matter for the holidays because [TS]

  this is not a seasonal item with someone said that it would matter for like their [TS]

  queue for sales or something I don't even think it would matter there cuz I [TS]

  think the volumes are so low that it would make a difference [TS]

  yeah I think I think you know iPads and iPhones and especially if that matters [TS]

  for their Q-forty I don't I don't think what's probably the lowest selling Mac [TS]

  is going to make a drop in the bucket one other piece of follow-up I believe [TS]

  this is follow-up and I think John that you added to this to the show notes do [TS]

  you want to briefly talk about Squarespace yeah that's not actually a [TS]

  sponsor break but I mentioned on a couple shows back up a business plan [TS]

  based on implementing Squarespace site for people who have terrible websites [TS]

  and don't realize that they could have a nice website spent five min [TS]

  Squarespace and pick up a box and so if they don't want to go through that why [TS]

  not start a business as a facilitator of that where you charge somebody [TS]

  presumably a lot more than face charges and for the money you set up a square [TS]

  Speyside for someone in the obviously to design work and everything else [TS]

  apparently there's a pages where space that somebody sent me I did not keep [TS]

  track of its IT specialist at Squarespace dot com that lists small [TS]

  pretty small list of people who do our people are companies who do exactly this [TS]

  you engage with them as a business and they use Squarespace to set up your site [TS]

  so the base will be there like design firms that are doing the programming of [TS]

  the annoying other stuff and they will set you people are probably also likes [TS]

  of Commerce I don't ever do that as well right if so can so anyway that's where [TS]

  spaces out ahead of this apparently they're already cultivating this group [TS]

  of I I wanted actually it's where they didn't want you like reselling their [TS]

  services or whatever but apparently they think this is a good thing and they've [TS]

  already got a site set up for it and if you're one of those people who does this [TS]

  for a living couple of you lose contact me as a live set up three different [TS]

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  so in the spirit of random musings from the higher all talk I had a random using [TS]

  of my own the other day and I i I don't know if there's much to be said here but [TS]

  I was on my Mac and for whatever reason I wanted to buy some iOS app which one [TS]

  it wasn't it doesn't really matter but my initial inclination was ok well go to [TS]

  the App Store to buy that we now know have to go to iTunes to do that and it [TS]

  occurred to me why is that all of the iOS app purchases aren't in the App [TS]

  Store because to my subconscious apparently as well as well as I would [TS]

  imagine most normal people and the App Store is the App Store is the app store [TS]

  doesn't matter for buying Mac or iOS you're just trying to buy a nap and you [TS]

  should do that in the App Store and I thought it was just a little wonky that [TS]

  that was all happening on iTunes and naturally there's a there's a million [TS]

  logical in in obvious explanations it's always been an iTunes it started in [TS]

  iTunes it would muddy up the Mac App Store etcetera etcetera but I just [TS]

  thought it was really really weird and I didn't really maybe I missed it really [TS]

  seen anyone talking about this I don't know if you guys have any important if [TS]

  not we can move along but I don't do you think will certainly one problem would [TS]

  be that you know you like you see on the iPad App Store wanna problems if you saw [TS]

  on Apple iPad if you also have a separate iPhone version a lot of people [TS]

  mistakenly by the iPhone one who want to run [TS]

  and that's a crappy support experience crappy customer experience like to thank [TS]

  you bundle together obviously that you know if they did that on the Mac the [TS]

  integrated everything in it would be a little easier in that they could at [TS]

  least like I don't know talk to iTunes and figure out if you have an iPhone or [TS]

  iPad and not even show the results if you don't something like that but you [TS]

  know for the most part they would still be weird experience you still have a lot [TS]

  of people who would like by the wrong thing we kind of close up the store like [TS]

  I think I don't think I would ever do this but I think it would actually be a [TS]

  way better experience on the iPad if it didn't show [TS]

  iphoneonly absent all the store I get you know maybe you could download them [TS]

  from your purchased a versatile but it it made it really really hard to find [TS]

  more for just hit them completely first first of all developers developers to be [TS]

  more forced to make iPad versions of their apps even if they suck they would [TS]

  still have to customize a somewhat rather than showing it like in the in [TS]

  little too X window for the doubled up iPhone mode but I think I'll be way [TS]

  better in the stores like that it just creates problems do that doesn't need [TS]

  the iOS App Store not show you iPhone apps by default I never find myself [TS]

  saying phone apps in the store on my iPad maybe I'm just not searching for [TS]

  her but they should be the ones with the little pluses that work on both but [TS]

  don't they [TS]

  hi the iPhone apps I believe it will I think there's a filter toggle at the top [TS]

  that you can say either show me everything only I am pretty sure that's [TS]

  right before us the reason those things on the Mac is a stupid iTunes like to [TS]

  see things where that they used to be I you did everything you do in your Mac [TS]

  new connector thing with USB cable and you do know the whole nine yards it's [TS]

  annoying to me mostly because of the reset that as a as these data storage [TS]

  space cuz with if you have a bunch of 32 or 64 gigabytes iOS devices and there [TS]

  are filled with crap and you actually syncing with iTunes that means like when [TS]

  you get Infinity Blade two or three rows and they're up there was a gigabyte game [TS]

  that's sitting on your Mac hard drive taking up space in our recent same thing [TS]

  with all the other stuff you have and it adds up it you know [TS]

  know the podcast you download the podcast thing that kind of sinking or [TS]

  instead of the stuff being in the cloud to saddam because Apple knows what you [TS]

  bought up on those but you owned it doesn't it does no reason that there has [TS]

  to be on your Mac and on you think so it can sing around me like that so that is [TS]

  it's one of those lacy things that that's another reason why people go to [TS]

  I'm not gonna get my iOS device Macklemore and there are so many [TS]

  benefits that and one of them is you get a bunch of hard drive space back to pay [TS]

  for iCloud backup is here you know if you're over the limit for your whatever [TS]

  disposable data that you have to back up the iCloud but I'll be glad when all [TS]

  that stuff finally leaves iTunes and we don't have to have our David duplicated [TS]

  in multiple places and how to deal with lots of fun and the worst part is that [TS]

  if you just mentioned device from iOS you can kinda sorta feel like you have [TS]

  control over it and then if for some reason you have to get up like 20 file [TS]

  copy and like the Documents folder and a candle thing you know you're onto [TS]

  something that only I couldn't can do or that only iTunes can do easily you would [TS]

  think that it wouldn't mess with anything else but it does inevitably new [TS]

  icons appear on your homescreens because it syncs number I don't understand how [TS]

  it decides had blamed the state of things that are on your Mac with state [TS]

  of things in your iOS device but we should also consider that if you back up [TS]

  your device to iTunes even selectively those backups or at least in my [TS]

  experience tend to be quite big like gigabytes big and so to your point john [TS]

  if you don't sink and work specifically don't back up against your iTunes [TS]

  library you're saving gigabytes that way as well i mean it all adds up really [TS]

  really fast [TS]

  Jeremy Scott what about backing of the day of apps not every app except I club [TS]

  when you to iCloud backups it backs up all your data not just not up to the [TS]

  applications to back up the iCloud when you do iCloud backup your iOS device it [TS]

  basically just wanders through all the document containers and pulls out all [TS]

  the documents that's right mark oh well yeah it's there's this weird thing with [TS]

  like temp folder vs document folders where it won't back up things that are [TS]

  in temp folders but it will also wipe them randomly so so then it's up to [TS]

  developers like like for me I'm writing this podcast app and a podcast you know [TS]

  you wouldn't want that [TS]

  to be in the Temp folder cuz you wouldn't want the system to randomly [TS]

  combined deleted if space is then people don't you think they have all the stuff [TS]

  downloaded and CEO of my stock's gone that's bad but you also want a cloud to [TS]

  back that up [TS]

  take everyone's iCloud space to retransmit everything up and down so [TS]

  it's up to developers to set a don't back up flag on anything outside of the [TS]

  temp folders and some developers do it right and as you can expect many don't [TS]

  you love does that mean the the iTunes backup still say forget it is copied [TS]

  everything or does the iTunes backup also honor that stuff the iTunes backup [TS]

  will copy over those files which is nice and don't like if you if you have to do [TS]

  a restore on your phone if you get it repaired or if it messes up they will be [TS]

  copied back over on a restore which is nice to redownload everything but then [TS]

  those also in your hard drive so it's kind of expect another case where they [TS]

  got rid of the iTunes aspect of this it would kind of force developers to do to [TS]

  manage their data in the correct way otherwise they'd have disgruntled [TS]

  customers whereas now they get like some percentage of disgruntled customers [TS]

  because they're doing it wrong and someone had not cloud backup and restore [TS]

  from backup and restore for that apt in work right there they're pissed off at [TS]

  you know probably not but maybe the app developer to whereas the older people [TS]

  use iTunes hard to find because they backed up everything I does iCloud [TS]

  backup save your passwords and on iTunes yet to encrypt your backup to do that no [TS]

  no it doesn't [TS]

  well I guess it didn't when it launched I can tell you that I don't know if [TS]

  there is an option now to do it I'm guessing not though but that's because [TS]

  Apple the iTunes engineers like even like I talked to some of the WBC about [TS]

  you know how the appropriate to store and iCloud for like like you know they [TS]

  say don't store if you don't store passwords and iCloud ok have a login [TS]

  token does that count [TS]

  login cookie token tokens and they were a little iffy on that you could tell [TS]

  that they really don't want to responsible for that they really don't [TS]

  want you storing any kind of sensitive stuff and iCloud so and you can kind of [TS]

  see how they're approaching iCloud keychain and they really want you to [TS]

  like have the passcode and have it and everything and had to be very secure and [TS]

  controlled and limited so it I'm guessing it doesn't [TS]

  simply because it has confirmed that I'm guessing it doesn't just because they [TS]

  seem very reluctant to take on password storage and it probably is encrypted [TS]

  business that it's so easy to pull that data down that you know they they didn't [TS]

  monitor like you said I think I clogged kitchen is the one place that they're [TS]

  willing to you but passwords and other type of information and with the advent [TS]

  of that there should be a way for you to take all that information that you would [TS]

  have you know there's a lot tokens that you would have put somebody else may be [TS]

  shoved him die kitchenware apple says you're allowed to put that stuff who [TS]

  knows there are authorized to speak about their antiquated I a podcast feeds [TS]

  there are not supporting them but they're hard about that on Twitter might [TS]

  have run across one of those I used to have an authenticated RSS feed back on a [TS]

  day when possible that was like that but [TS]

  and for all of the reasons why John Gruber stop doing that it's it's pretty [TS]

  hard for podcast also it's it's very hard to support that and a because I'm [TS]

  doing service are growing and everything revolves around this and there's pretty [TS]

  much no good way I'm not gonna I'm not gonna have one for the passwords do not [TS]

  feed that's that's crazy I'm not like that they're so many for so many reasons [TS]

  why the terrible idea so I'm not going to support that I think if I think [TS]

  downcast does support that I'm pretty sure it does so if you need that use [TS]

  downcast John I hear christmas came early [TS]

  your house I really Christmas it happens to coincide with Christian been in the [TS]

  works as soon as it became clear that Panasonic was probably gonna stop making [TS]

  that plasma TVs and I was like a year ago they were rambling about that and [TS]

  Panasonic would say something and they would say oh no plans involve whatever [TS]

  it was clear the writing was on the wall now I think like a couple months ago six [TS]

  months ago they had made the official announcement an iconic plasma TVs [TS]

  anymore than I had to make a decision I know he's going to have to witches do I [TS]

  just keep using a TV I have or do I buy one of the last Panasonic plasmas before [TS]

  they go away for good [TS]

  and the reason I was thinking about this has to do with the still terrible state [TS]

  of television technology I should have been done to show number here I didn't [TS]

  but I talked about TV attack on all hypocritical the new year [TS]

  the episode number anyway that was that was several years ago there was like [TS]

  2011 I actually bought my TV and 2009 I was just talking about in 2011 [TS]

  hypocritical and the property VTech is after after the CRT are the kids ask [TS]

  your parents the big giant very cheap glass tubes for the electron gun in the [TS]

  back of it scans little I across a fosters the things that you see on [TS]

  everyone's curb sitting there for weeks getting rained on and nobody wants them [TS]

  and nobody will get them for free throw them in the garbage have led to get the [TS]

  special people come pick them up those things that technology was around for a [TS]

  long time and I would say was perfected because it always had problems but it [TS]

  was clear that if you bought a TV you were gonna get a cathode ray tube for a [TS]

  long time this is clear and they made them pretty darn good like the Sony [TS]

  Trinitron was was sort of the premier consumer brand for good televisions at [TS]

  first because they only heard in one direction so they're like cylindrical [TS]

  instead of being like bubble shape than that eventually they began entirely flat [TS]

  and they had this event is an advantage but there were that many options you [TS]

  like well this is the best TV I can get is the best CRDA and then the water [TS]

  started to get money when they came out with DLP and other stuff like that but [TS]

  they don't you remember the DLP stuff of the projection TV's they always had [TS]

  terrible disadvantages vs CRT and it was still clear that if you cared about the [TS]

  best-looking TV just get us here to get the best you can get it was probably a [TS]

  Sony Trinitron projection might be bigger but it's just so damn off angle [TS]

  and the colors are all messed up and all sorts of compromises that made you think [TS]

  unless I need one of the special features like giant size for example you [TS]

  know I'm just a television television I'm getting a CRT the chat room looked [TS]

  it up and it was episode 16 will put that in the show its opposite 1600 [TS]

  critical so when high definition television came out that just made [TS]

  things very confusing because they did make a couple high-definition CRT but [TS]

  CRT was was on its way out in the new flat screens are in first DLP and [TS]

  other you know rear projection things that were not as deep as a CRT because [TS]

  if I had a giant securities if you got a CRT that was over 30 years are you know [TS]

  35 or 34 inches or whatever that was super deep and really heavy whereas you [TS]

  make it not quite as deep projection television that size are very quickly [TS]

  got into the flat screens which were either LCD or Plasma class came first [TS]

  because he was too expensive that size and that's where all the crap started [TS]

  because both LCD and Plasma have compromises that CRT is didn't have I [TS]

  guess it comprises here he said of course the flats instead they were [TS]

  gigantic and heavy but that was it like people would find a room in their house [TS]

  for you need to make it put them into pieces of furniture CRT projector and [TS]

  when you find a place for every other part of them was fine when I can't let [TS]

  that go [TS]

  convergence aperture grill weirdness all the various analog artifacts could show [TS]

  up well they were only showing from target for standard that they're only [TS]

  showing standard def didn't care about all day you know you're not missing [TS]

  everything is going to be fuzzy but his low resolution right so when the funds I [TS]

  think towards the end the trench runs in terms of convergence and everything like [TS]

  that were amazingly good like as good as you could hope with the ready [TS]

  analog signal in fact the fuzziness kind of help it blend together because you've [TS]

  got something that was just a series of square pixels the site you know the [TS]

  number the number of lines on a CRT that would look gross like sort of had a [TS]

  distinctive look at again they weren't perfected perfect but they were pretty [TS]

  solid but he didn't have all the crazy compromises that plasmas and LCDs and [TS]

  plasmas in the beginning or super hot and powerful bike you know build-up tons [TS]

  of he didn't look that good and you know had this weird a lot of weird artifacts [TS]

  and an LCD is were even worse because they do LCD works as you've got a light [TS]

  shining through this liquid crystal and the crystal turns on and off it will add [TS]

  to light through or not and the problem was when you turn them all off and said [TS]

  don't let any light through you still had the big backlight back there trying [TS]

  to get through and a little bit of it would leak through and see your black [TS]

  screen just put it made an LCD entire [TS]

  early blackwood nicely black in fact you could light up a room with a black [TS]

  screen especially beginning in LCDs so they had to come up with you no way to [TS]

  fix that were like ok but won't leave the backlight on what time if they make [TS]

  an entirely black screen will just turn the backlight office not awesome was [TS]

  great until you have a bunch of white worries in the middle of rolling the [TS]

  credits for a movie well you need the words to be white and the black [TS]

  background so we need to turn on the back like behind the white words but the [TS]

  backlight wasn't like one backlight per pixel backlight per four square inches [TS]

  or be square into whatever you have to turn on some chunky subset of the [TS]

  backlight to make the white world show up and that that white backlight would [TS]

  make all the black around the white words glow like the previous glowing [TS]

  black sweater was really black this all black level stuff and the LCD said [TS]

  compromises well and so none of these technologies where as a no brainer by [TS]

  four if you didn't want a projection screen to need something gigantic or [TS]

  whatever you just want to really good nice looking TV you couldn't get plasma [TS]

  or LCD because they both had compromises and they jockey for position in the [TS]

  market eventually LCD one because everything else in the world uses LCD [TS]

  and it became cheaper even though the picture quality health safety was never [TS]

  as good as plasma still isn't as good as plasma again getting back the black [TS]

  level stuff and dynamic backlight turns out to be too expensive and complicated [TS]

  and they decide the consumers didn't care about black clothes anyway so I [TS]

  just went to edge lit where the LCDs with it don't have it an array of back [TS]

  lights behind the monitor that can turn on and off in different sectors and said [TS]

  that I just like the whole thing up and it'll be fine and use mirrors to balance [TS]

  it out the edges then we can make them super thin I don't understand this [TS]

  obsession like one thing it to be like one and a half an inch thick is it [TS]

  really important to go this point seven five inches thick it's like Apple and [TS]

  Apple styled session and unlike him help things where they think that then this [TS]

  does have a big payoff down the line when the thing is like to the size of a [TS]

  credit card and maybe when you can pay your TV on your wall pays off but going [TS]

  to educate this early seems weird to me that there you know all the car you know [TS]

  it's a way to sell your thing in the store look out there who are you never [TS]

  you never look at it from the side it was an inch thick would you say turn up [TS]

  your nose that it looks gross assists point seven five inches thick it's nicer [TS]

  the compromises they did an LCD TVs in particular [TS]

  in particular in terms of picture quality just to get them another quarter [TS]

  inch dinner I do not understand but that's the way the market and that's why [TS]

  the plasma start to go out because everybody wants to be the problem is [TS]

  burning and under is well where she believed the same image on the screen a [TS]

  long time eventually when you put on a different image [TS]

  you'll still be able to see that other images it a lot and actually see it and [TS]

  LCDs as well occasionally where the cash register a point of sale system or [TS]

  something and they'll be some banner that was on there and it will change [TS]

  those green you still see that banner they are you still see the stock ticker [TS]

  on some TV it's been showing you know financial news twenty-four hours a day [TS]

  for six months plus without burning problems he can't leave the same image [TS]

  on the screen for a long time otherwise you'll get image retention incentive [TS]

  burning now let me interrupt you describe the technology behind LCD so [TS]

  what is what is what makes plasma plasma then don't know the details and I'm [TS]

  pretty sure it's like excited particles going from the back of something in [TS]

  hitting up against a material that glows only it's like a bunch of tiny little [TS]

  CRT is but it's similar in concept to that and it's it's not a back light [TS]

  shining through [TS]

  thing let slip through or not its particles being excited and going from [TS]

  the back of something to the front of something and heading into med emits [TS]

  light I don't know the details beyond that but it's close enough that they [TS]

  both have that CRT is implausible have burning issues and that requires more [TS]

  power than LCD because it would be the LCDs you can have the LED backlighting [TS]

  ideas very power efficient and very bright something that's another thing [TS]

  LCD televisions LED backlights give you much brighter than plasma televisions [TS]

  that's important if you've got a bright room where you want things to be bright [TS]

  so all these are compromises all the tech the current technologies for [TS]

  high-definition televisions are compromises that have problems and I was [TS]

  killing myself trying to see what I didn't buy a TV for so long as I'm like [TS]

  I'll wait until the good technology comes out whether you like this article [TS]

  sed or all that becomes an expensive or some other technology this post did not [TS]

  have all the compromise [TS]

  both plasma LCD and image I couldn't wait any longer in 2009 about myself in [TS]

  television and you can listen to episode 16 hypocritical to hear all that went [TS]

  because I really went in trying to look for an LCD television because [TS]

  everything's LCD right now [TS]

  ended up coming out of the closet because it was cheaper ahead better [TS]

  picture quality if you're willing to accept all the other compromises plasma [TS]

  more power thicker have year possibility of burning if you're not careful you got [TS]

  better picture for less money for plasminogen like a no brainer to me well [TS]

  so now they're getting rid of the plasma if they got rid of the plasmas and I [TS]

  kept my current TV I would have to like what would I do if my current TV broke I [TS]

  want to get a new one [TS]

  there'll be nothing on the market me to buy because the number of people in [TS]

  plasma televisions just going down 20 Samsung still makes them but Samsung's [TS]

  heart is really an LCD like everybody else and everybody is eventually going [TS]

  to all that but I did want to be stuck with an old television that can replace [TS]

  is nothing on the market that I want to buy the second issue is that a [TS]

  television I bought despite extensively researching and everything turns out to [TS]

  have a problem with the black level got worse after the first year that used [TS]

  this is a problem I guess you know back then and so now new TVs come out every [TS]

  year and you can read review of here is the new crop of TV's for 2014 I read all [TS]

  the reviews and I'll do all the research I look at it since I was 11 well if [TS]

  anyone has a problem it doesn't show up until a year later you know about that [TS]

  because my next year the new TVs about it will be out and about when this year [TS]

  year and I had one of those televisions where the black level that started out [TS]

  as being amazingly good became mediocre later in life of the television and even [TS]

  if somebody did a long-term review to tell you that it wouldn't be useful [TS]

  anybody because if they're telling you about the Stevie year and a half ago and [TS]

  it's still great you can't go buy that TV anymore [TS]

  yeah they go off the market say that you know it's very difficult to find and the [TS]

  other problem I have with the television that I bought and this is something I [TS]

  didn't even think to check it wasn't even on my radar was does this [TS]

  television have fans inside it reaches not something I never owned a CRT that [TS]

  and I guess DLP said a fan because of that one light source you can get really [TS]

  hot in the fans and occasionally but I didn't think to check that and so I got [TS]

  into my house and therefore a gigantic plans [TS]

  and I think it's plazas take a lot of power and really hot and the fancier the [TS]

  plasmid the more likely you are now fans into the cheap ones didn't have fans [TS]

  with the fancy one that I got did happens so I kept a TV for years and I [TS]

  really liked it did everything asked of it I never had any problems with burning [TS]

  because I was careful with it I assume you know I didn't let my kids leave a [TS]

  television show pause in the plasma the role was if we call you in for their hit [TS]

  the pause button enter and then also hit the power button hard to do manage to do [TS]

  with two little kids no burning on the screen at all it's perfect black levels [TS]

  are not what they were when it was new but I still think it looks really good [TS]

  but I just kept thinking look I paid all this money for this fancy TV it's four [TS]

  years old now at this point I could buy a much cheaper television that has [TS]

  better picture quality and if I'm gonna do so I better do so now before plasma [TS]

  exits the business for Panasonic exits closet is now my only choices will be an [TS]

  LCD television or maybe a Samsung Plasma none of which I particularly like so [TS]

  that was the situation I found myself in this entire year thing about what [TS]

  they're gonna do it many points during the year I got like up to the purchase [TS]

  stage in and Amazon and didn't click on the button like months ago I did that [TS]

  and then three months before that I did like bailout to last minute I'm pretty [TS]

  sure I'm crazy yeah I miss you like just like agonizingly your hand like hovering [TS]

  above the mouse with your finger pointing down ready just click and can't [TS]

  do it [TS]

  picturing Federici like the first Federici presentation when he was all [TS]

  nervous and shaky trying to do the mouse gestures on picturing you with like that [TS]

  but shaking nervous hand wondering should I do if I can tell you is [TS]

  preventing me from doing it but we should probably responsible I was just [TS]

  about to say about something else that's awesome [TS]

  alright this episode is a first-time sponsor for us in general because [TS]

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  Pixelmator its Pixelmator algo algo it takes on petr Pixelmator is a full [TS]

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  it's like Photoshop because I [TS]

  I guess not to mention your competitors like that but it tastes like Photoshop [TS]

  but 30 bucks and better in a lot of ways and so it's 30 bucks in the Mac App [TS]

  Store Pixelmator the Mac App Store it's frequently feature it shouldn't be hard [TS]

  to find or even get a pic submitter dot com now Pixelmator its you look at what [TS]

  I can do and first of all if you go to their site it's really it's a fantastic [TS]

  design site that shows up a lot of the cool features you can see all sorts of [TS]

  stuff they they have it they they have everything from image editing down to [TS]

  drawing even vector drawing tools all in one app and it's it's kept very very [TS]

  much in like the modern Mac ways of doing everything right you know it seems [TS]

  like these they are like geniuses at optimizing for the Mac keeping [TS]

  everything today is not only on the already optimized for Mavericks they [TS]

  already use OpenCL they used to accelerate framework to use to use a lot [TS]

  of the vector rising functions and they they have amazing performance on Mac [TS]

  everything is very Mac like it's it's everything that you wished perot editing [TS]

  apps were immigrants like being super Mac like and friendly but unfortunately [TS]

  other ones usually aren't so they recent release a big update and it's pretty [TS]

  impressive it's called Pixelmator 3.0 f/x it's a major upgrade featuring a lot [TS]

  of new tools to play with including non-destructive layer styles very [TS]

  advanced feature liquify tool and an all new image editing engine that using all [TS]

  these cool things Grand Central Dispatch paralyzed parallelization multiple [TS]

  threads support everything else [TS]

  OpenCL GPU acceleration support the new engine is almost twice as fast as the [TS]

  orange and the old engine was pretty fast already that's saying a lot they [TS]

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  wrote the word customers here or maybe Lex wrote that i'm gonna blame Lex so [TS]

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  can't beat this price point 30 bucks for an applet this amount of power it it [TS]

  almost seems unreal so check it out [TS]

  Pixelmator dot com it's a full featured image editing app for the Mac very Mac [TS]

  like very awesome and has great new 3.0 OS X upgrade is really impressive so [TS]

  thanks a lot to Pixelmator for sponsoring a show that's probably don't [TS]

  remember this but that can be a bit dazed a big graphic days that was all [TS]

  suite of Mac applications said that you do you know graphics in 256 colors and [TS]

  they were pretty expensive they were way more than 30 bucks each and the 32 bit [TS]

  error you know 24 bit 32 bit error there was of course W Photoshop should be [TS]

  eventually became too big dog but there are also other things like to call it a [TS]

  live picture something and a couple other ones and to play in that game to [TS]

  play in the eighth but space a lot of people can play there is you know you [TS]

  know you can make a little pig slaughter but to play with the Photoshop Brown was [TS]

  like Oh true color images you had to write your own graphics engine and that [TS]

  was a difficult thing to do and a lot of the market was like well I can't just do [TS]

  it Photoshop did I do something different a live picture was like not [TS]

  resolution independent non destructive but a similar type of thing where that [TS]

  their their image engine was very different than Photoshop then it turns [TS]

  out the source of stalling engines from one end and for a long time is just [TS]

  photoshopping that's all there was [TS]

  with a couple of their minor competitors in there really got a foothold but [TS]

  nowadays it's amazing that Apple has improved the Mac platform enough and [TS]

  just the Mac platforms you don't see this as much on Windows enough to the [TS]

  point where a small developer can make an amazing high-performance application [TS]

  without having to make their own graphics engine but simply by taking [TS]

  advantage of all the graphics technologies that provides and combine [TS]

  them into a nice friendly application and offered for 30 bucks as compared to [TS]

  hundreds of dollars in Photoshop cost competitive cost every time I see [TS]

  Pixelmator I think of them as like the poster child for a look at what Apple [TS]

  helps you do if you right outside [TS]

  their platform I called all the API's they give you at every WEC is like [TS]

  losing all these things well pick some hitters when I was going to say that I [TS]

  love that that they know the audience to know that we should mention in the [TS]

  Rideau OpenCL Grand Central Dispatch now a nap nap because our audience is going [TS]

  to know what all those things mean I mean if you look at their site it looks [TS]

  like an apple page like the it looks like this is the page for Apple's new [TS]

  image editor like to read the site and it uses Apple's styling it's very it's [TS]

  very well designed for use a lot of modern HTML tricks and stuff like [TS]

  animations and transitions and as you scroll things moved the fight delegates [TS]

  really very modern variable design pics for the event so it really does look [TS]

  like this is apples [TS]

  image editing after they never actually made you don't like that happens may [TS]

  able to make a Photoshop competitor I think I photo but some of the game of [TS]

  telephone rumors about iPhoto before was released with an Apple is making a [TS]

  Photoshop killer application temperature every time to do anything and graphics [TS]

  gonna make a Photoshop killer by Pixelmator no they shouldn't [TS]

  examined as it is cuz I mean look at look at how Apple treats Aperture and [TS]

  iPhoto for that matter you know at this point I don't think Apple needs more [TS]

  major applications take care of thanks again to 60 meter / pics on the top [TS]

  right so John we we interrupted you are you sort of interrupted yourself during [TS]

  during your talk about your TV show your hand is hovering over the mouse on [TS]

  Amazon you're ready to buy and then you finally click the button so what did you [TS]

  get 10 before we get to that I say why wasn't buying all the time so why was I [TS]

  not buying what was my hesitation and the station was for knowing everything I [TS]

  know now people in the chat room or means that I didn't know to ask about [TS]

  fans like I didn't even think it was a thing I should look for when I saw the [TS]

  televisions in person the story can't hear a thing and like a retail store is [TS]

  this just a background white noise right don't hear anything in there I just did [TS]

  not even think to look for them but now I know all these things right so the [TS]

  television I wanted to buy like be the sort of equivalent in the model line [TS]

  television from the one never before had fans and I knew it had fans and I [TS]

  wouldn't we all had to spend all day reading through old South forum and [TS]

  trees page after page after page of people saying I bought this fancy new TV [TS]

  and it's got fans and they are super loud and it's driving me insane and you [TS]

  know just like a hundred and seventeen old style forum pages you know one after [TS]

  the other in different forms hundreds of pages of people having these fancy TV [TS]

  isn't telling the stories about I tried this and I bolted to the back of my TV [TS]

  and I had Panasonic come in this post to a fix but they did the effects and I [TS]

  think it's better known as they did it fix and it didn't help at all the people [TS]

  like it's received thank you think it helped it really didn't and it really [TS]

  shouldn't make any noise at all and just you know it's like it's like it's like [TS]

  looking for symptoms on WebMD and everything least the cancer right to [TS]

  know if you read these forums enough you think that these television just all [TS]

  sound like a leaf blowers in your living room and I would keep going through the [TS]

  threads going ok well these people get the very first model so maybe like [TS]

  Panasonic pick something about it people I go what's the build date on yours and [TS]

  I got I got one that was built six months after it still sounds terrible [TS]

  and I'm returning it and Panasonic took three weeks to come out the guy they [TS]

  sent was a guerilla he scratched up my TV trying to open it up and it didn't [TS]

  help anyway and like how could I but I can't buy that right so I started [TS]

  looking down my let me let me find the cheap Panasonic plasmas the don't have [TS]

  plans with the problem is the current crop of cheap Panasonic Plasma don't [TS]

  have [TS]

  pants a terrible input lag which is another thing that I didn't know about [TS]

  you but it was impossible to find [TS]

  input lag is when you're playing a video game and you do something in the video [TS]

  game system like press the fire button how long does it take for you to see the [TS]

  gunfire on your television screen and you would think that I would have to do [TS]

  with the game system does but the television itself can also introduce [TS]

  some amount of lag like the video game system can put out the image over as [TS]

  HDMI port of the gun firing and it takes some number of milliseconds for the [TS]

  television to take the signal that just got off the HDMI Ethernet frame and [TS]

  display it as a little light on the screen and the reason to delay is there [TS]

  is because of the image processing and other stuff that television is due to [TS]

  make a nice picture and the higher end the television you could potentially [TS]

  have more image processing but also the higher end of the television you could [TS]

  have faster processors 22 you know process the image more quickly than the [TS]

  cheap television see you never know [TS]

  marksman to tell him that better or worse and back in 2009 I knew all about [TS]

  input lag but nobody was reviewing televisions ever mentioned it like it [TS]

  was just a bunch of gamers in there were like complicated camera setups filming [TS]

  like little you know microsecond clocks and going frame-by-frame and trying to [TS]

  figure out what the input lag was well fast forward four years and now finally [TS]

  most television review sites will give you input lag measurements which vary [TS]

  wildly from side to side presumably within a single site within a single [TS]

  side the same methodology as you can compare within a site so I would look of [TS]

  the input lag numbers and the input leg of the cheap fanless Panasonic plasma is [TS]

  terrible and it used to be great like 3 2003 model years ago the cheap one had [TS]

  awesome input lag but now it's super terrible and the stupid class with the [TS]

  fans at a significantly better in public [TS]

  choices what do I care but fans marable and also by the way the TV plasma is [TS]

  worth image quality like the fancier one has better image quality as well and so [TS]

  I every time I would almost by just taking a stroll through the the form [TS]

  injuries with the fan noise and going I can't do it and every time I don't buy [TS]

  the cheap like now i cant I can do then apply to see what do you care if you [TS]

  never know is that input lag anyway you know you don't play fighting games i [TS]

  cant get affected but why why would I buy worst television systems to be [TS]

  getting better [TS]

  television you know because my old television had pretty good input like it [TS]

  was expensive and a fast processes in it and it had better input lag than the [TS]

  current cheap Panasonic so I just did that for a year back and forth back and [TS]

  forth back and forth and eventually one of things but we had was Casey's friend [TS]

  who got this very same television that I was looking at and Casey's friend says [TS]

  fans are silent can't hear me all right tell me what he was saying it like that [TS]

  it was just totally a non-issue right yeah this is my from Brian who got the [TS]

  same TV and so I i was talkin to John after I saw Brian saying oh my friend [TS]

  just got this Panasonic is this what you wanted to ask about the pants pants now [TS]

  see I would I have a Panasonic plasma that does have fans and I can't hear [TS]

  them but I would never be brave enough to tell John well my minor silence so go [TS]

  ahead and buy it I would never in a million years because he'd hear them [TS]

  it's only say that because immediately after Brian so you can't hear the first [TS]

  thing I said to you think both John and Brian was well brian says that he can't [TS]

  hear them but we both know that John is not going to believe that I mean how [TS]

  could you like it so difficult to the best example was my old television which [TS]

  had for gigantic fans into that make an annoying Sanders they're very big fans [TS]

  of a low-volume kind of rushing air sounded naughty symmetrical it would [TS]

  have been nice but my wife claims either she couldn't hear them or they don't [TS]

  bother and it's like well you can hear that it's like it's like night and day [TS]

  as far as I'm concerned it's just like if you can hear those for fans that [TS]

  obviously an individual person sitting in front of the television has a very [TS]

  different experiences with a can or can't hear anything to have this [TS]

  television with four giant fans for four years I just decide to live with it [TS]

  wasn't that bad i mean you listening with audio on it's not like you know [TS]

  it's you get used to it [TS]

  the picture quality made up for it all the other aspects of television [TS]

  you know what was I gonna do that but at the same problems I returned it out to [TS]

  get one with worst image quality without fans or something and the other thing [TS]

  about plastic by the way since they use so much more power than LCDs and since [TS]

  apparently the analog electronics industry does not care about ambient [TS]

  noise which drives me insane see also my big rant about my PowerMac g5 power [TS]

  supply which chirped transformers and other analog components that actually [TS]

  move as in vibrate can make noise because moving things make noise and [TS]

  sometimes that noise is amplified through the printed circuit board that [TS]

  these little components are attached to acting like a big speaker type thing [TS]

  making a terrible noise ball plasmas use a lot of power transformers on printed [TS]

  circuit boards and they make a buzzing sound inaudible buzzing sound of the [TS]

  plasma buzz I think there's no reason that stupid buzzing sound exist if Apple [TS]

  design on these things that could design it and I say that after the power supply [TS]

  but anyway it is possible to design the hell out electronics in such a way that [TS]

  they do not make a noise the desirable to the person watching television and [TS]

  yet no television manufacturer does that because nobody cares or they're inside [TS]

  entertainment centers are up against a wall or some other thing the muscles [TS]

  them are people can hear them but you can totally hear transform buzz on [TS]

  almost any plasma television if you go into police found room make the entire [TS]

  screen white you'll hear a buzz then changed to black the bus goes down or [TS]

  offline change back to white goes up that's in addition to the fan noise [TS]

  right so I knew that was there as well [TS]

  like I'm just the television to make at this point and people had problems with [TS]

  Panasonic plasmas and other places where the transformed crackin nigga super [TS]

  terrible buzzing noise people would make youtube videos of the problem with these [TS]

  ubiquitous cameras that everyone has their phones now that those cameras are [TS]

  designed to remove background noise so people can hear you talking on the phone [TS]

  so that's absolutely the worst camera to ever use the treasury's record [TS]

  background noise so a lot of people have videos where they would say here is my [TS]

  new television Andy hear that noise of the fan of the buzzing and you didn't [TS]

  because the phones cancel the noise out they'd bring the phone around to the [TS]

  back of a television with the camera video recording and they put it right [TS]

  now you could hear the sound quality of the fan [TS]

  but then they go like I'm back here and you can hear it all type of course you [TS]

  can hear it all the phone is removing that noise and that's how I felt about [TS]

  individual peoples reports of I can hear the fan but maybe you're you're [TS]

  high-frequency hearing is going two years old or maybe there is a giant fan [TS]

  blowing in the room cuz your hott all the time we don't like air conditioning [TS]

  maybe recognition is on you can who knows what you can hear the fam but I [TS]

  knew there was some things spinning moving air in the backup thing I'd be [TS]

  able to hear but enough people you know [TS]

  Casey's friend other people who own the month forums and stuff like bad said [TS]

  that it's an overblown problem and yes if you read these hundred page threads [TS]

  about people who have televisions make too much noise maybe they have some sort [TS]

  of problematic unit there maybe they're blowing over but I figured I'd just like [TS]

  to make a decision it's almost the end of the year these models are going to go [TS]

  away I'll buy it I'll make sure I have a 30 day return window is too loud or [TS]

  return it so actually click the button to get a thing delivered our order from [TS]

  Amazon which I never done with the big TV before I come out last month from [TS]

  Best Buy mostly because I want to Best Buy the hallway my 350 pounds see our [TS]

  key thing and they did and it took it away for free and that was more than [TS]

  worth the price of buying it at Best Buy and Amazon herself tax now as well so [TS]

  there's not even an advantage of it and designed to give her the sales tax but I [TS]

  did a pretty good delivery experience to the people who brought the television [TS]

  and although the styrofoam in the box was cracked I wonder how how high the [TS]

  stealth drop for the styrofoam surrounding it are not small pieces of [TS]

  star on these are big giant blocks of styrofoam cracked almost always through [TS]

  the television so early on damage they unpacked before they left before signing [TS]

  anything to inspect the television they plugged in turn that on major actually [TS]

  worked everything looked it up as fans and it was to fans that far I can hear [TS]

  them but the thing is and I didn't think about this before I was thinking about [TS]

  the television is it is not so much that I don't want to be able to hear the fans [TS]

  just as they were quieter than my old televisions fans and that as I was still [TS]

  an upgrade its still quieter than it was and it is these fans are significantly [TS]

  quieter [TS]

  than my old televisions and so much so that I can hit a transformer buzz way [TS]

  better than the old hands were so that they totally blanked out the transformer [TS]

  buzz but now the fans are so quiet that I can hear the transformer buzz but [TS]

  that's wonderful that that's just truly fantastic but you know I haven't made a [TS]

  final decision yet but it's pretty much decided that I'm gonna keep it mostly [TS]

  because it is so much better than my old television is always like this [TS]

  as fan noise but the family is quieter has transformer box but it's probably [TS]

  about the same as male TV picture qualities so much better because in four [TS]

  years things have just gotten better it's thinner than my old television that [TS]

  stance you're looking the other the only major disadvantages has a real [TS]

  television and strip all television these days and I i guess i dont know why [TS]

  republicans cost cutting is it has fewer inputs intelligent four HDMI inputs [TS]

  bunch of S video that I was never any use and two component inputs and I had [TS]

  stocked up to all those inputs and I was basically out of it puts forget a ps4 I [TS]

  would have no place to put it [TS]

  this one has three HDMI say losing HDMI here only one component and of course no [TS]

  s-video and other stuff and I don't understand why high-end televisions have [TS]

  been losing a bit slow and help ensure get one to HDMI port but I intelligence [TS]

  have like 10 points back there but they have is that if you buy and television [TS]

  you really need one HDMI point because you're going to have a TV receiver that [TS]

  doesn't just watching for you and all that stuff and that's probably my next [TS]

  purchase decision thing that I have to deal with but as a whole other topic [TS]

  entirely the TV looks really good I'm kind of trapped in calibration he'll [TS]

  just the place you go and you buy fancy television and realize that it's just [TS]

  minutes and you're obsessive-compulsive like me you've got to keep adjusting [TS]

  them to get the picture you want without paying somebody 300 bucks to come to [TS]

  your house and do with $10,000 worth of video equipment because they used to [TS]

  like Marco [TS]

  did you ever hit television professionally calibrated Marco no I [TS]

  don't even know that was a thing I did ya I also didn't know it's a it's a [TS]

  thing it is definitely a thing and the thing is the calibration like if you [TS]

  have the equipment to do the calibration I feel like you could probably do it [TS]

  yourself because the software they have that works with it is I mean I probably [TS]

  complicated but I get over the coming week whitman is expensive is union like [TS]

  a computer hooked up to a light meter that attaches to your screen that puts [TS]

  out a known signal and measures that it does all the stuff in it sufficiently [TS]

  complicated that it's difficult to do it all but mostly I'm just trying to pin [TS]

  down the basic stuff of like black levels light levels contrast and and the [TS]

  other business one more thing we're going to television thing I didn't even [TS]

  talk about this but the other reason I didn't want to buy an OCD is because [TS]

  they don't do well with motion that it used to be terrible motion out a little [TS]

  bit better but remember the old days when your cursor on your crappy PC [TS]

  laptop would have trails behind it that was a feature not that not the cursor [TS]

  trails nothing intentional under Windows put in but the accidental ones where [TS]

  everything alright that was way way way back and being days LCD that's gone now [TS]

  but LCD still don't show emotion as well as plasma is due for a variety of [TS]

  reasons and what LCD televisions do to try to make things look more natural is [TS]

  that they will put frames that didn't exist in the source material in between [TS]

  so if your video is 24 frames per second but you're you're LCDs refresh 60 frames [TS]

  per second instead of just showing the same frame whole bunch of times ensuring [TS]

  that extra moment in time that showing the next very moment of times if you do [TS]

  that on a modern LCD looks weird doesn't look right looks stuttering in Turkey [TS]

  and strange for reasons for reasons having to do with visual perception that [TS]

  I don't really understand but you can google and find out and that's not a [TS]

  problem plans Mr they're more like CRT is because they think it's because they [TS]

  posted the the the output and it sounds like a bunch of bright lights punctuated [TS]

  by periods of [TS]

  of no light if you slow down viewing of the screen that's more like a CRT and [TS]

  looks more natural to you so plasmas don't have to do this this motion [TS]

  interpolation but LCDs all do it and do it like crazy in this is it if you look [TS]

  at an LCD television is doing motion interpolation this thing called the soap [TS]

  opera thanks but it makes all the shows you're watching look like they're [TS]

  showing a soap opera if you watch television in the foot of the channels [TS]

  and you come across so far but you can tell I just because of the lighting and [TS]

  the sets and stuff you can just tell that the soap opera vs Leica lets a [TS]

  movie like they look different to you I don't think so far effects looks like [TS]

  soap operas but it looks weird and even regular people notice inviting my [TS]

  parents recently asked me years after I tried to explain this to have remembered [TS]

  in the said look at television and the people look a little weird like they're [TS]

  moving strangely motion interpolation every LCD television does it and it's on [TS]

  by default and LCD televisions and plasmas don't have the problem at all [TS]

  which by their quote-unquote better for sports if you care about motion that you [TS]

  should just buy a plasma television 'cause they don't have to do all this [TS]

  weird stuff to effective it is they know well this plasma television that I got [TS]

  actually had a setting for motion interpolation and it was on by default I [TS]

  couldn't believe it [TS]

  like why would you do this shit like poor people are buying these plasmas [TS]

  leaving that setting on and thinking that's the way the videos posted look [TS]

  because I was sitting there right in front of television just set it up and I [TS]

  pulled the menus down and I saw the video moving behind the menus and it [TS]

  looked to me like what the hell is going on there to the main you slow down the [TS]

  video on this television but I found the motion interpolation said I couldn't [TS]

  believe it why would the setting even exist so I mean we turn that off and [TS]

  they're like 75 other settings in this television does all which everybody [TS]

  should turn off trillions enhancer black extension automatic gamma correction [TS]

  digital remaster like the million setting this thing they should all be [TS]

  off like this is why it calibrations are being if you buy fancy television do not [TS]

  leave the way it is because they have tons of saying that basically screw with [TS]

  the picture to try to make it look better ensure [TS]

  brilliance enhancer what the hell's that supposed to make things sparkly and [TS]

  bright you know it just just screwed up your picture and all those off and it [TS]

  probably also had input lag not that america's like game mode usually turns [TS]

  all the more than you [TS]

  so part of my calibration exercises going through these extensive menus and [TS]

  turning off every skill are these still has some crazy made a marketing name [TS]

  something for sound like fake surround sound and stuff [TS]

  turmoil that crap off may be the only one that would allow a little bit like [TS]

  noise reduction and put them on low but even that is so if you have a fancy new [TS]

  television LCD or Plasma turn off all those crazy settings tried it you don't [TS]

  have to get calibrated by somebody but you can at least do like the [TS]

  self-calibration things where you sit there like a test image and follow the [TS]

  instructions you can get pretty close to not a correct image but an image doesn't [TS]

  look like crap that things come out of the box looking like or the day look [TS]

  like an assurance that that's my advice if you get a television and I haven't [TS]

  been able to watch television cited by I can't advise that you get a plasma just [TS]

  told you all the things about it burn in fans power transformer LCDs terrible [TS]

  black levels weird motion soap opera fact I think the colors are not quite as [TS]

  nice a natural can use their own plasma so they have gotten a lot better there's [TS]

  no good television to buy so you have to make your own choices for those [TS]

  compromises but if one were to get the television that you just bought what [TS]

  would one be buying I bought a Panasonic bTW sixty they call the internet but [TS]

  it's like TCP and then the screen size and then the letters and numbers and [TS]

  Panasonic TV series has been their fancy series my old one was the TCP 50 v10 and [TS]

  the end of the tea at some point back on the ground and BTW 58 anyway this year's [TS]

  models are TCP 55 bTW 60 or 65 bTW 6955 is a small sizes television comes in at [TS]

  about what they didn't come small smaller than 55% when I bought a [TS]

  television for upstairs I'm like I need a small television her bedroom I don't [TS]

  want to be a better friend jack told you I could not find a plasma that I was [TS]

  willing to buy that was below 50 inches and up in the stands television images [TS]

  too big for that so I had to buy an LCD television for upstairs it was rushing [TS]

  to me like you do and yes the fancy of the TV they don't come in the small [TS]

  sizes fit like [TS]

  50 was a small size of my old TV and I think it came into 4255 is a small store [TS]

  this one so I'm sorry to see your 6501 you actually ended up with this now 5558 [TS]

  the fiftieth television had barely fit in the place that I had and the nice [TS]

  thing about the march of progress is the 55 inch television [TS]

  external dimensions are almost identical to make 50 inch they just made the bezel [TS]

  smaller right so that's nice to know that the tell them to do television I [TS]

  have has more screen area but takes about the same amount in my house and [TS]

  the reason I got to be t60 instead of is actually a model up from that they added [TS]

  its CSeries the ziti 60 and the only difference in the city sixty is it a [TS]

  slightly better image quality in exchange for slightly reduced brightness [TS]

  but it doesn't have the nice speakers at this has caused by the speakers that are [TS]

  built to tell him I do because I'm still sorting out the surround sound [TS]

  situation which again is another topic for another show and so actually care [TS]

  about the built-in speakers and I like to be high quality and DVD had like the [TS]

  stupid built-in camera which is terrible and who cares about that and it was [TS]

  cheaper so I like why am I gonna buy the more expensive TV with fewer features I [TS]

  i'm under the feet instead of the CT so anything you like to add John about the [TS]

  TV talk about the software on the television both decide that for another [TS]

  show because the whole there that's that gets back to my blog posted worst price [TS]

  three software that is totally the case with television is there anything else [TS]

  it's also that we should share there is there is one more in fact it is our [TS]

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  drive that you only control like any other external hard drive but with [TS]

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  Android devices all your Transformers files are available from from anywhere [TS]

  that you are with internet access you can also share individual files or [TS]

  folders with wet assessable shellings [TS]

  no matter how large they are in a lot of times if you try to put like you know a [TS]

  five gig file on Dropbox that might not work very well [TS]

  with this you can send somebody a link to a file or even a whole folder you can [TS]

  change your whole photo collection with somebody else if you really want to be [TS]

  careful it's in there but you know you can share everything with you know with [TS]

  anybody you want and doesn't matter how big it is there's no size limit long as [TS]

  it fits on the transporter you can share it also multiple transporters can [TS]

  replicate from each other and can sink so this is really good way to add [TS]

  something off an offsite backup service you can have a good one transporter at [TS]

  home when transporter at worker at your parents house or your friend's house or [TS]

  whatever somewhere else and you can have automatic replication between them so [TS]

  that you have a content replication and offsite backup you can also slightly [TS]

  sink just one folder so that let's say you and a friend or co-worker who is a [TS]

  transporter you can collaborate on a project together and you can have a 14 [TS]

  of the does your shared folder you're working files for that project and knew [TS]

  you and your co-worker can hope everything totally in sync the whole [TS]

  time with transporting your day is only secure its never started anybody else's [TS]

  cloud servers or theirs for that matter they don't have any data is transferred [TS]

  directly between transporter devices and always transmitted with end-to-end [TS]

  encryption so transporter prices start at just 500 gigs for for 200 bucks one [TS]

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  is also this new option called transporter sink which is the like puck [TS]

  shaped thing it's a hundred bucks and it has a USB port and you can plug into any [TS]

  USB hard drive and I'll just use that as a driver and like us chances are you [TS]

  probably have a USB harder sitting around that you're either not currently [TS]

  using or that maybe you could buy an upgrade and put that in the transporter [TS]

  so it's like USB and once I get on the other it's very very simple so you can [TS]

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  which is really great at even looked at these prices are way cheaper than Amazon [TS]

  even like this really great prices so gotta go to File transporter dot com to [TS]

  learn more and what's really great about this is that you buy the drive up front [TS]

  like any other [TS]

  drive and then there's no monthly fees no matter how much do you store so if [TS]

  you look for example if you try to store like two terabytes of data on Dropbox or [TS]

  similar kind of country services like that it's gonna cost you quite a bit [TS]

  every month but transporter it's a hard drive sitting in your house and it just [TS]

  allows you access it through clever software clever networking stuff and so [TS]

  you don't have to pay his monthly fees that are people trying to have it on [TS]

  their cloud servers it's your drive you own it you control it you secure it and [TS]

  there's no monthly fees it's always available [TS]

  always thanks to any the transporters to end of people etc [TS]

  really great deal so gonna file transporter dot com to learn more and [TS]

  don't forget to use code ATP for 10% off any transporter from their store thanks [TS]

  for the transport of response from the show once again the really cool product [TS]

  that I'd pressure is unmatched and doing great so thanks a lot transporter also [TS]

  no fans the transfer that is correct [TS]

  they're really small to the impressively small so if you're worried about like [TS]

  adding something big you know to your house or to your setup you don't worry [TS]

  about it very small cuz they used two and a half inch hard drives so they're [TS]

  very very small power and Ethernet yet very simple apparently there's something [TS]

  that nobody's talking about that we should be talking about I i added that [TS]

  and i didnt i didnt headed for the reasons you think this is a tweet this [TS]

  is a tweet from somebody I'm not gonna name cause I'm not gonna gonna say [TS]

  things about this week trying to slam this person but this is not about this [TS]

  is a phenomenon that I see all the time and I thought it's worth talking about [TS]

  just add this tweet has a bunch of at names at the front of it including me [TS]

  Dan fireball Marco just call ski so that this is a pattern I'm sure Marco seen [TS]

  this because he gets his own a lot of these things things where it's at this [TS]

  person at that person at that person at that person and then and then like a [TS]

  question or a statement and you look at the list of like like the two lists [TS]

  effectively for the sweet and like what what is it that made this person to try [TS]

  to address all these people at once the same affected if you send an email [TS]

  I'll have a bunch of people it is but it's like an email sent to five people [TS]

  no one feels a responsibility to respond to what it's like a shotgun blast and if [TS]

  you shot blasting a bunch of people that are only vaguely related like i wana [TS]

  Pakistan Marco during fireball is not John Gruber's account but it is websites [TS]

  campaign I know him and I know the website just appalled ski runs the verge [TS]

  is bob with the Virgin some way which is also a tech site but there's just [TS]

  basically a bunch of England tech related people so it's kind of like [TS]

  saying hey people whose name I know on Twitter who are involved in technology [TS]

  hear me and then and then you say something right and the thing that they [TS]

  said that the first minister and a side of like if you're trying to effectively [TS]

  communicate and Twitter don't have mentioned the whole bunch of people who [TS]

  you don't know we're just vaguely related to the topic in general cuz [TS]

  you're not going to get a reply get every person that chain doesn't feel the [TS]

  responsibility they have to reply right and so like either everybody ignores it [TS]

  even if you think it needs to have a reply you're like well I don't feel like [TS]

  it's my responsibility to the other guys will surely plan it would end up as [TS]

  nobody replies to this is not an effective strategy but the second part [TS]

  of the question the question is why isn't anybody talking about the iOS [TS]

  notification saying in a West End the never shipped and I think this is a [TS]

  great this is a great example of when I see things like this I actually want to [TS]

  engage and I did try to engage in a little bit didn't have the effect that I [TS]

  thought it would because it never does like when you engage with the people you [TS]

  I'm trying to I'm trying to Casey knows about this and so does market volatility [TS]

  you know that the five wise thing to the W and corporate speak only heard it from [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah another one of those and if you do show we'll talk about working [TS]

  methodology and stuff like that was another one of those like fun games [TS]

  played like teacher critical thinking and so what I replied to this person was [TS]

  what I feel like replying to so many people in this is why isn't anybody [TS]

  talking about this new feature that Apple's everything shipped in shape [TS]

  whatever I said you tell me when I'm trying to get them to do is answer their [TS]

  own question because I feel like if you could think about [TS]

  it for like if you thought about it for a little while surely you can come up [TS]

  with just as good as answers anybody who puts things like what you're looking for [TS]

  the sensational version is there is a conspiracy theory here like you know [TS]

  they they pulled the guards away from the embassy just before the terrorist [TS]

  game and it's a big conspiracy and they don't want you to know the conspiracy [TS]

  there is one angle why is nobody talking about this surely everybody's been paid [TS]

  off by Apple for the conspiracy against the speech or whatever that the crazy [TS]

  reason you can't do that this is not implied in the nothing in this message [TS]

  that implies a special thanks to conspiracy theory that's one way you one [TS]

  reason someone would direct the type of question like you guys should be talking [TS]

  about it and you're not an extreme version is it's because you've all been [TS]

  paid off by Apple that's why you're not talking about this topic nevermind that [TS]

  only a couple people in this thing have websites where they get picked up by [TS]

  tech don't forget the F word what's more all fanboys with an eye on the end cause [TS]

  that makes it work somehow I don't think within this question as well a lot of [TS]

  the questions that are like this is like why why isn't anybody talk about is a [TS]

  leading question right but the like assume that's not the case [TS]

  person is not a crazy conspiracy theories that is looking for some sort [TS]

  of like we're including the chili not talk about this and it's really terrible [TS]

  shame he's the only person who sees through the facade of of fanboys are on [TS]

  the take home a polite that's ridiculous right so assuming we put aside that [TS]

  ridiculous thing right and say what's left there are opposed to YouTube like [TS]

  what is what do you think I mean none of us actually knows what could happen if [TS]

  we did we couldn't say none of that she knows the answer is showing the present [TS]

  and asking this question you know is that none of us working out and if we [TS]

  did we couldn't say so all he's looking for is for us to provide an answer that [TS]

  he thinks we're more able to provide them he is and I don't think any more [TS]

  able to provide an answer not gonna ask you to what do you think is the answer [TS]

  to this question of why isn't anybody talking about bis notification sink in [TS]

  West End never shipped if you want to take it to talk about it I can I take [TS]

  would get removed or something I'm serious why what is your best guess the [TS]

  answer that question why isn't anybody talking about [TS]

  I forgot for whatever reason it got [TS]

  County priority while the Y is it hasn't happened about the prioritized hers and [TS]

  on why doesn't anyone talk about it said Marcus and I completely forgot that was [TS]

  a things are going to be a thing I should say that's more or less the [TS]

  answer I would give because sometimes features don't make it into software and [TS]

  it's not a feature that anyone really care about that much anyway so the [TS]

  answer to why isn't anybody talking about this feature that didn't ship is [TS]

  because we just don't ship and software all the time and this is was wasn't [TS]

  particularly highly anticipated future anyway that's the that's the answer [TS]

  like I dunno hundred percent certainty but that lets the literal answer to why [TS]

  isn't anybody talk about obscure features didn't ship was like it's not a [TS]

  conspiracy theory features don't ship all the time and not a lot of people [TS]

  care about it that's that's pretty much the answer and I feel like the person [TS]

  asked that question could have arrived at that very same answer if they had [TS]

  looked inward and outward with this question I can really ask himself why is [TS]

  it that that no one is talking about that and if the answer they arrive at is [TS]

  it to conspiracy very well then I can help them unless they have some evidence [TS]

  that that's the case but like its it has the most is this worth sending 25 people [TS]

  this question that you could answer yourself like it's a boring answer no [TS]

  one here but I really think that's the answer and and this this model of I get [TS]

  my check information or information about the you know the latest and [TS]

  greatest cars or drum sets or whatever from the side of people who who know [TS]

  more about the topic like that only go so far to certain point you have to [TS]

  engage your own critical thinking and see if you can come up with something on [TS]

  your own because all the other people you're asking you're doing is exact same [TS]

  thing you could do like it sometimes you had inside information insider [TS]

  historical context but not very specific instances like this is like no one cares [TS]

  about this one was talking about it and they didn't ship because sometimes [TS]

  things don't ship and maybe that's true maybe this person know something that I [TS]

  don't that there was a big dramatic fight with Apple executives and they [TS]

  demanded a thing not ship in you know who knows but I don't know that you know [TS]

  that and surely this group of five people not expecting those details and [TS]

  that's that's the only reason includes not to help the person asking it because [TS]

  you're not supposed to ask questions people ask you know whatever [TS]

  everyone does it I had mentioned random celebrities and say things all the time [TS]

  in the near respond like we all do it right but I just thought it was a good [TS]

  example of an effective at mentioning and asking questions that they [TS]

  themselves I feel I could have answered just as well as we could I have nothing [TS]

  to head to ask you pretty much know that I'm not markedly of anythink [TS]

  yeah I think this is probably it's probably a really boring story it's [TS]

  probably like oh you know either either couldn't get it in time and it wasn't [TS]

  that important so we'll work on it for the next release or for you know that [TS]

  point something or they know they could have figured out something you know [TS]

  between when it was announced and when it was shipped they could have figured [TS]

  out you know oh actually it has really weird horrible problem that makes a [TS]

  really bad idea to do it all you know I mean I find that all the time which is [TS]

  one of the reasons I don't usually pronounced features like I have some [TS]

  some feature of all work on the oldest gonna be great and then I like 90% [TS]

  through with it I realized oh wait a minute this is actually impossible to be [TS]

  good or even shippable because of this particular condition or problem or [TS]

  education or anything else and so maybe they had something like that you know [TS]

  the scale they're working on time and I think the question I guess they're [TS]

  actually kind of a trap getting back to the stuff we talked about 41 or whatever [TS]

  we're talking about like online courses and stuff [TS]

  leading questions like this that seemed like vaguely accusatory for no reason [TS]

  directed multiple people seeking some kind of engagement on topic where [TS]

  there's no real engagement rehab it's very easy to get into a pointless play [TS]

  moreover nothing by responding to these type of questions again made it a [TS]

  person's intent is not you know the feeling that we get reading that is [TS]

  probably very different content the person asking but the way it's phrases [TS]

  like oh you're into people I demand to know why XY and Z and none of us [TS]

  actually know and all we can give us the same as I can so that he can give [TS]

  himself if you try to say anything back like if like try try imagining to walk [TS]

  my interpreter of trying to say what I said and big long rambling we're back to [TS]

  this person on Twitter say well you know [TS]

  features don't ship in software old time because they don't make the shipping [TS]

  deadlines and it was in his highly anticipated and demanded an important [TS]

  enough to be worth reporting on the fact that it didn't ship if you could fit [TS]

  that into a treaty reply thats like you you start an argument well this report [TS]

  you don't don't you understand how many people want this feature it's super [TS]

  important let me tell you why you can argue with the person but why you think [TS]

  it's important it's a matter of you think the part I'm telling you why I [TS]

  think it didn't ship is like it only matters if people who run websites and [TS]

  blogs and is important and doesn't matter of individual person thinks [TS]

  important matters in aggregate did most people did a majority people did enough [TS]

  people that it's noticeable did anybody right about this although I'm doing an [TS]

  iPhone guy who did write about it and he's like you just get into the generals [TS]

  and what are we even arguing about how much I would much rather work begins [TS]

  people always say you tell me the answer I like so many people send me the [TS]

  Twitter messages and emails but I feel like I don't want answers I want you to [TS]

  arrive at the answer yourself even if it's a different answer than I would [TS]

  give because I have no extra knowledge about this than you do it's kind of like [TS]

  the tech support thing which all their topic that I want to get into now and [TS]

  again in order to make it seem like you know I feel put upon by these things cuz [TS]

  I have no problem just not responding to these tweets when they come especially [TS]

  when they have a million at names and then I assume everybody else in these [TS]

  giant doesn't respond to locate a check and I feel like Marco and so these [TS]

  people don't understand why he's doing it so how you think he's bad I am such a [TS]

  sucker for these sorts of things I I always buy if there's a little little [TS]

  worm in front of me I'm always by yeah I have no problems no problem just not [TS]

  responding but so many times I just want to I want to call them up the phone and [TS]

  say why do you think and I want them to think about it themselves and the give [TS]

  me like they don't want they don't like well like they're trying to anticipate [TS]

  like like like i know im doing a leading question like what do you think like [TS]

  they think I have an answer in mind and I'm trying to trick them to say it I'm [TS]

  just want them to focus their thought process on it and come up with an answer [TS]

  like I would like to turn around and say this is an area where we both have equal [TS]

  and very little knowledge I have a theory do you have a theory was sheriff [TS]

  there is with each other [TS]

  and unlike not not you know not turned into an argument so next time that you [TS]

  want to ask all of us including John one of those questions on Twitter include a [TS]

  phone number so many times that I can we talk about all online stuff that's part [TS]

  of podcasting alike feel like the the band with the sort of expressive been [TS]

  with data bandwidth instant message email and stuff like that is still so [TS]

  much less than voice communication that so many times whether it's in an [TS]

  argument or you know trying to help somebody like trying to help my parents [TS]

  get something working on their computer or whatever I just immediately want to [TS]

  run to the higher bandwidth connection like them just let me talk to you on the [TS]

  phone like I can I can talk you through it all though it's kind of hard being [TS]

  like to see a box on the screen is it a grey box does it have you know like tech [TS]

  support is difficult but you know for arguments every of a disagreement or [TS]

  whatever especially when you're constrained by Twitter like I did not [TS]

  call this person I thought we get settled in 10 minutes can't do it and go [TS]

  back to stick quick step you mentioned episode 41 which is where we were [TS]

  talking about online criticism and things like that [TS]

  this week's back to work which was upset 149 Merlin had a a typically awesome and [TS]

  I mean that with no sarcasm Marilyn called a ran but but a monologue about [TS]

  about kind of sort of vaguely inspired by what we had set on episode 41 it's [TS]

  really really good so if you haven't heard that even if you're not a normal [TS]

  listener you should check that out because it's very very very good and [TS]

  with that let's wrap it up for this week thanks a lot to our three sponsors this [TS]

  week [TS]

  Pixelmator / Pixelmator file transporter and Squarespace and we will see you next [TS]

  week [TS]

  now this show they didn't even mean to begin was accidental [TS]

  john Kasay cuz it was accidental [TS]

  and a team Marco [TS]

  I hope you guys don't want to go to bed from neutral to get through because not [TS]

  only do I wanna hear about your car John a little more about that but the m3 and [TS]

  m4 were quasi officially announced today in oh my goodness does the tree look [TS]

  good man forestal that banana color gold metallic process i cant i get older it's [TS]

  only available now I can't I can't get over it I don't know what's going on [TS]

  over there in Germany that they think this is acceptable but did you see the [TS]

  m3 hard look so good it really does I still think that like the DMV not be m5 [TS]

  the regular files there is still by far the most attractive car the BMW makes [TS]

  this generation and they're kind of obsession with putting these kinda like [TS]

  skin flaps like their style architecture of like over gonna make the the more [TS]

  aggressive looking body cladding and front fascia and everything it does look [TS]

  more aggressive and mostly looks good but the whole the whole skin flap design [TS]

  we're kind of organic curves overlapping stuff I find a less appealing anymore [TS]

  mechanical or the other said inspector more sort of sculptural type of thing [TS]

  like a Ferrari and let I'm not entirely happy with the pace with the plastic [TS]

  bolt-on bits they put on the ends and a lot of cases the end still do look much [TS]

  better and more aggressive than the regulars but then in the in the my new [TS]

  details of the front rear and little bit if not just like my life too much is not [TS]

  getting any one of those cars but the m5 compared to the regular 5 series that [TS]

  you like so much I there's actually if you put the M Sport option on the five [TS]

  series I think it's almost identical externally there's very very few [TS]

  differences yeah yeah it's it's like the Carrera for us where they get their body [TS]

  work but nothing like the five series has good bones kind of like the [TS]

  structure the proportions where the headlights are like everything about it [TS]

  is nicely it's all you know and it's just the little details very insecure up [TS]

  a little bit I think the m5 for the more aggressive front rear plastic bolt-on [TS]

  thing looks a little bit fussy for me whereas they regular file [TS]

  looks sort of more stately in subdued trading with the car but the m3 and m4 [TS]

  at the same time again for like the shape of it the coop shape they really [TS]

  you know it looks looks nice and aggressive and then details around the [TS]

  bumpers and sort of the haunches it gets a little bit fussy and weird for me the [TS]

  front air dam on the very very very extreme outsides it has kind of Ferrari [TS]

  ish kind of like in the the outside at the upper part comes down around but the [TS]

  other part doesn't meet up with it it's like her lips almost not ellipse but a [TS]

  set of lips and then on the back it has like a similar like shape on the very [TS]

  extreme edges that I'm not in love with icon which was a little simpler like my [TS]

  era flaps you know you're right skin flap is a very good way to describe it [TS]

  but generally overall I just think it will [TS]

  m3 particularly looks incredible I want one so hard and I'm like I don't think I [TS]

  could ever afford my car brand new I mean it was I we've talked about this ad [TS]

  nauseam is like 55 grams or something like that knew this I forget what the [TS]

  starting price is going to be but I'm sure it's going to be insane and just [TS]

  stupid expensive but about 70 thing I think they thought they announced to [TS]

  perhaps not new US dollars but anyway doesn't have the point is a private I [TS]

  would say 70 ish certainly 7275 option the way you wouldn't want and so can [TS]

  turn 19 in the chat just asked what am I getting one get one when it's actually [TS]

  affordable as a used car which is a decade have one in four years [TS]

  get him black though I'm not getting black actually to be honest I was [TS]

  discussing with mice the same friend Brian that we're talking TVs with and [TS]

  the name of the soldier was maybe Silverstone you would get it and silver [TS]

  well no it's so here's the thing I'm at the Blue that they have in the press [TS]

  shots was a moment I forget its iPad Smart Cover blue yeah yeah I like it but [TS]

  I don't love it [TS]

  however the silver that I'm speaking of its a silver bullet like this weird [TS]

  bluish hue to it that I actually kinda like I don't think I would get it why it [TS]

  if I could if I could [TS]

  ever find one I would definitely go if I would be able to afford one brand new I [TS]

  didn't get it [TS]

  individuals with my mom blue if such a thing was affordable possible but if not [TS]

  that I probably get its own person or so but I'll man looks so good it was like [TS]

  what 459 the stats 425 425 height 400 pound-feet of torque from about 200 rpm [TS]

  and yet the the fuel economy is actually up quite a bit again I don't have [TS]

  numbers and try to me but whatever was it was very very very good [TS]

  443 what do you think about their little Chrysler ask things behind the little [TS]

  vents behind the front wheels but the little chrome before Marco jumps and [TS]

  what do you what do you think of them John I'm kind of okay with doing those [TS]

  details on just on the AM serious but the actual execution this particular [TS]

  detail I think the chrome thing coming out of it too much and I don't think [TS]

  these scoop fits in with the rest of the body workout looks a little bit like a [TS]

  little bit tacked on kind of I do like the lamb symbol on the brake pad brake [TS]

  caliper I actually agree with you on the under side vent I I think the side vent [TS]

  is in general it is one of my favorite little features of the M cars and it [TS]

  annoys me that you can go and see see it like on every Ford Taurus and crappy key [TS]

  a ripoff that late they they totally ripped at styling off in the AM cos I'm [TS]

  pretty sure their cars to that a long time before anyone else from the AM cars [TS]

  more than 10 years it's a regular on racing cars and other high-performance [TS]

  cars that on many of them it is a functional thing yes and the American [TS]

  ones usually not function as a Service detail but the BMW did not invent [TS]

  whatever that vendors that's behind the front wheel with little chrome accent [TS]

  like it it looks very least one other one of the people do it looks very BMW [TS]

  but anyway I love that little event and that's one of the reasons I got the m5 [TS]

  as I love it love it so much I will say on this new m3 and m4 I don't love it as [TS]

  much as I agree that it doesn't really fit in that well [TS]

  it it's not like the way that little chrome pieces guy stuck on there like [TS]

  it's like the way it was done the five it's it's actually like wrapped like the [TS]

  event itself is trimmed in groom and like thats it [TS]

  this is like the event itself is made of metal and they like stuck in the middle [TS]

  of it instead I don't know I'm not also I'm not a big fan of that I I don't [TS]

  think it makes the car look worse but I don't make me look better they should [TS]

  bring back the stealth style that BMW's to have where they're fast cars and [TS]

  Mercedes had this been back in the late eighties early nineties where the [TS]

  high-performance versions of cars looked very similar to the regular ones and you [TS]

  know you couldn't tell you that blend in with traffic like basically take this m3 [TS]

  and pop off those plastic bits and put the boring plastic bits back on but [TS]

  still have a be M three underneath right see what you're describing in my [TS]

  personal opinion is the e39 m5 which is the early two thousands which I was [TS]

  discussing with somebody on Twitter earlier today it is the pinnacle of [TS]

  understated power you know the kind of sleeper approach which was there were a [TS]

  couple places where you could tell was 95 the front air dam is a great example [TS]

  it was quite exhausted she'd never saw and still don't really see on BMW car [TS]

  but by and large it didn't have 350 m badges on it and even though I really do [TS]

  enjoy Marcus car and I think it's a fantastic automobile it is everywhere [TS]

  and it's kind of ridiculous and e39 m5 was not like that and and and I to this [TS]

  day every great once in awhile go poking through Autotrader tell myself I'm gonna [TS]

  get one and then I was so because they are so old now and so expensive to keep [TS]

  on the road but it was the best I also did speaking of too many elegant [TS]

  everywhere I saw as a big confirm that they apparently there's a feature where [TS]

  there's M logo on the back of the seats that light up the I read that haven't [TS]

  seen a picture and it's terrible play engine noise out of them and if that's a [TS]

  real future that's pretty bad [TS]

  like that so I can do worse they have a so there's launch control which is [TS]

  setting on your car that you've never tried that but there's also they have [TS]

  and I'm gonna get the name wrong but it's something as lame as smoky burnouts [TS]

  mode it what is it like launched in trouble but they lose the did not try to [TS]

  get traction precise [TS]

  yea oh my god this way if you wanna do like if you wanna be a total hooligan [TS]

  and and dual in show off a little bit Antonio roast year $1,500 tires whatever [TS]

  they are you can put it in smoky burnouts mode and it will let you do a [TS]

  burnout up some magnitude can't just turn off the traction control stop on [TS]

  the gases that effectively the same thing one would think especially in a [TS]

  stick you can just dump the clutch when the engines at 2000 rpm which is like [TS]

  eight million Torx but how it works and ect to that's true you only in reverse [TS]

  as we found out on the snow but anyway yes there's a smoking ban MOT was funny [TS]

  because I believe for just announced for the Mustang and and and so BMW has also [TS]

  come out with us it's appropriate for the Mustang Mustang exposed to smoking [TS]

  for now but i just want to bring up cuz I I think this hurt a key features they [TS]

  they can launch control I can understand cuz in the same Brian and his r32 he had [TS]

  lunch control which he had done a launch control launch that's not redundant once [TS]

  or twice with me in the car and so there are 32 / 36 Senate and House X [TS]

  all-wheel-drive system and I tell you what when he did launch control launched [TS]

  it was some incredible I mean you were getting shot out of a cannon because it [TS]

  was all wheel drive and it had a decent amount of torque it wasn't stupidly [TS]

  happy and so it was quick but I should go back a step in mention that the smoky [TS]

  burnouts mode in every spelling I've seen its awesome ok ey which just makes [TS]

  it even worse maybe they mean the bear who knows I don't know it's just [TS]

  horrible [TS]

  but anyway but I on all the m3 in principle having never seen one in real [TS]

  life having only read things on the internets gets to very enthusiastic [TS]

  thumbs up from me do we know has anybody reviewed the steering yet because it has [TS]

  electric power steering and everyone hates electric power steering so far in [TS]

  these say that in this one they fixed it and now it's like now it has enough [TS]

  feedback and responsiveness but I don't think every viewer has actually driven [TS]

  one and and and evaluated that yet I don't think so [TS]

  car driver drove the m4 member they said it's significant that the steering but I [TS]

  think they said that the overall they like to but it was just a first [TS]

  impression thing but that's that's how you'll know because congressman slamming [TS]

  the steering on the electric power steering being dummies in particular [TS]

  like like a scorned lover because car driver has been a magazine that for [TS]

  decades has been like a BMW wins every comparison and Justin this current [TS]

  generation with a broad electrical power steering everywhere that they've been [TS]

  all pissy about it so I'll tell all you know when they get that car driver they [TS]

  brought finally brought them back around but right now they're very cranky about [TS]

  it because I've I've never driven an EPS system that was good and I i love my my [TS]

  current car does not happen to my current car light truck steering and all [TS]

  the other five series's have GPS the m5 does not it still has hydraulic car [TS]

  driver hits your car for other reasons that's true and and some of them there [TS]

  was some of them I agree with them some of the most of them I don't but like run [TS]

  like hell and I'm like this is going to be like my John Gruber keyboard [TS]

  until somebody makes the only one that actually that matches this never [TS]

  happened you would think like if not if not the second generation by the third [TS]

  trial to all the car makers will have gotten it by their third trial is like [TS]

  they are told the same like told you they all used the F transmissions like [TS]

  whoever supplying these electrical power systems plus whatever program they [TS]

  figure out that the figure out just a couple of generations now does tips new [TS]

  car does that have electric steering it does doesn't it not only does it have it [TS]

  but she noticed it on the very first row on the drive home from the dealership [TS]

  after taking that dr she asked me she's looking at the steering feels kind of [TS]

  weird it's like it's not taking any effort in it doesn't really quite feel [TS]

  right if you look at steering like [TS]

  almost too much around certain tight corners just instantly there and doesn't [TS]

  feel right just just went over to drive by wire nissan has a Dr our customers a [TS]

  couple of makers have drug go are things that there's going to be even weirder so [TS]

  that that's a problem like that probably get the electrical system power steering [TS]

  working ok but then everyone will switch over again to drive by wire and then [TS]

  we'll have to go through three generations of that feeling weird so [TS]

  this I just wondering I think it's really awesome mroue briefly said that [TS]

  you might consider an m3 as your next car if the you know obviously it's a few [TS]

  years out but just hypothetically are you still thinking that's the case based [TS]

  on what little you know so far I would really have to drive one of the first to [TS]

  really say absolutely now that I've seen I got so I've been intense cart if just [TS]

  got her 3G T and it's it's fantastic for everything that we needed her car to be [TS]

  and she loves it and it's it's really nice I end and I will say I'm very [TS]

  jealous of two features that it has that one available on my car [TS]

  the automatic high beam thing and and radar cruise control both of those I [TS]

  thought might be gimmicky and useless turns out they're both awesome and I [TS]

  wish I had them and figures were not available the m5 which is unfortunate so [TS]

  that being said you know going having driven a five series for all these [TS]

  months and going back to the 3 series for a couple of drives we've taken with [TS]

  her car together I actually missed a lot of the five Series luxuries [TS]

  I didn't think I would but the five series is more substantial more [TS]

  luxurious in a few ways and I i really did miss that difference when I when I [TS]

  was driving her car and it was too it's still a very nice car and compared to [TS]

  the road it's fantastic and very luxurious but there is a difference and [TS]

  I wouldn't it would in some ways be a step down like John $7 monitor size so [TS]

  that would be that would hurt a little bit the big thing though is that I'm [TS]

  just so incredibly happy with the m5 I really am a guy I was telling us [TS]

  privately but also for the ericas I didn't say that [TS]

  you know the M cars like most movies like many cars are on like a seven-year [TS]

  generation lifecycle roughly and and so if I it so I have a three-year lease at [TS]

  the end of the lease it's not gonna be the new generation as it's going to be [TS]

  like two years before the degeneration switchover probably so I don't know what [TS]

  to do at the end of this lease I like if I it would be stupid to get a new one [TS]

  just like the one I have like that would be incredibly wasteful and costly and [TS]

  you know just wouldn't make sense I'm probably gonna buy this one out at the [TS]

  end of lease and then wait until the new one comes out and then traded it into a [TS]

  new least because i like it so much it really is perfect for me and and I have [TS]

  no major complaints at all [TS]

  must still think it'll be ugly that's true it very well could be but I'm [TS]

  betting the next 15 has all-wheel drive I i mean almost certain it will happen [TS]

  and I don't think it'll be standard but I bet will be available yet you say that [TS]

  but watch just watch away five thousand pounds 3244 some its 43 my cars over [TS]

  3,500 and and and and this is like they they don't use a lot it if I don't even [TS]

  know if that use any carbon fiber in the m5 today the m3 the new m3 makes [TS]

  extensive use of carbon fiber in lots of different places so that's like they [TS]

  were focused on weight savings for the new m3 now there in developing the new 7 [TS]

  series which is also using the switch-hitting stuff after that I but [TS]

  there is on the five series with the same way saving stuff and then they do [TS]

  the m5 so it's I'm guessing they're gonna fuck that's going to be one of the [TS]

  focuses on the new one is saving a bunch of weight and you know I may be able to [TS]

  be like you know it's gonna be a thousand pounds but maybe it'll be two [TS]

  or three hundred you know it's gonna be able to make a difference and I think [TS]

  they have to add all-wheel drive because already it has more power than it can we [TS]

  put down the road at low speed like they need more more places to put this power [TS]

  there the engines are hurting so much power they just cant [TS]

  it can't use it all properly with that said you had the car out at least in the [TS]

  driveway in the snow did you take it past the end of the driveway I did ya I [TS]

  i didnt fact so I discussed on neutral this situation where I got stuck in the [TS]

  100 year ago where I tried taking it out in like really slippery like packed [TS]

  slush ice conditions and got stuck in a grocery store parking lot [TS]

  well this year I have the m5 and I have snow tires on the very first time the [TS]

  one AM had its all season [TS]

  sorry it's it's summer tires on that not only were they summer tires were also [TS]

  pretty ball by that point so they were really worn down summertime no grip it [TS]

  all so I get stuck in the parking lot and could move it was off so I went out [TS]

  with my winter tires the first time in his car in our first snowfall we've only [TS]

  got like two inches of snow but I went out like the worst of it to try to test [TS]

  this out to see how bad I went out I took my car down to the exact same [TS]

  grocery store parking lot it was similar conditions but not as bad that it like [TS]

  there was tons of slush and icy slush all over the park but you would still be [TS]

  hitting pavement most of the time so I can't say for sure if it's a huge [TS]

  difference yet but I try to be tried stopping short I tried turning tightly I [TS]

  tried pushing the castle to aggressively to see if I'd spin around at all or at [TS]

  least future traction control light and it was just like driving on dry pavement [TS]

  it was shockingly good at it was a massive difference compared to the balls [TS]

  summer tires having brand new winter tires on a car with a more advanced [TS]

  differential and a little better balance and a lot more weight [TS]

  made a huge difference so so far I'm pretty confident this is actually work [TS]

  out pretty well I want to choose not to be smug about this yet because I believe [TS]

  you and I went back and forth about this forever and just like you always end up [TS]

  convincing me and I always end up being glad that you did [TS]

  so far it sounds like I might have convinced you the right way but I don't [TS]

  want to count my chickens quite yeah I I think you're right I think you know [TS]

  let's wait until the rest of the winter happens and like way too I had to deal [TS]

  with way worse conditions than that to see freely for sure like you know was a [TS]

  huge mistake to not get all wheel drive but so far I'm very pleased with them [TS]

  but again it's there is only one snowstorm and it was fairly mild so it's [TS]

  hard to say yet [TS]

  alright so after much delay because I had to be total BMW fanboy within i John [TS]

  what's more accord complaints we talked about what key fobs last time we talked [TS]

  about on a call with stocks that address the question that hadn't thought about [TS]

  trying out the new car where in the in the car should the dead pedal be [TS]

  option it should be all the way on the left [TS]

  probably against the side of the car and it should be flat and it should be about [TS]

  the size your foot how far away should be from the clutch home now I don't mean [TS]

  I don't mean distance from like it should be it should be like you should [TS]

  give it a rest on it as if you were resting on the pedal but not pressed at [TS]

  all I would agree with that they my previous record and I think the previous [TS]

  civics as well [TS]

  had the dead pedal at the distance from you where the clutches like partially [TS]

  depressed so it was basically at the clutches of totally up the Daedalus past [TS]

  where it is and I found that much more comfortable because I have long legs to [TS]

  rest my foot on something that's not that that's farther back than the [TS]

  totally untouched clutch pedal and the new Accord the dead pedal is as you [TS]

  described it as basically the same distance from from the seat as the the [TS]

  untouched clutch or brake pad or whatever kind of in that same plane of [TS]

  pedals and that feels way too close to me and part of that is that all the [TS]

  pedal steel to close are not adjustable steering wheel doesn't telescope so my [TS]

  my choices to see back lean back and everything I i feel like im my knees are [TS]

  squished up a little because I move the seat back so that my knees are bruised [TS]

  up like that and then it goes steering [TS]

  too far away because the seat back is pushed back this descargar not made i [TS]

  mean they're made for big americans maybe not made for 62 people or whatever [TS]

  but that the dead pedal particular in the palace's final dividend particular [TS]

  just feel that way too close and it's because of our museum used to all my [TS]

  other hunters with a dead pedal was farther back [TS]

  untouched clutch bell so it's not the end of the world but it's there and if [TS]

  you like it could have been fixed either with adjustable pedals which a lot of [TS]

  american cars are offering which i think are great idea you know you can make it [TS]

  economically better to have adjustable pedals and adjustable steering column [TS]

  since they couldn't find a position or at the very least a telescoping wheel [TS]

  but I don't have to tell me and I will give you props for finally making a car [TS]

  where I can just the steering wheel so that I can see all the gauges the little [TS]

  half-moon shape that this is a very tall inevitably the steering wheel cuts off [TS]

  like the top of the speedometer whatever thing is at the top [TS]

  this one I can see all the gate is exactly sure thing when I tell the wheel [TS]

  to the correct position that's nice now Marco and I learned while market you [TS]

  probably in this your first event but Marco and under sworn I learned at the [TS]

  BMW thing we went to that the correct distance from the wheel is that if you [TS]

  put your arms straight out and you rest your wrists on the top of the steering [TS]

  wheel you should be able to flop your hands down the best way of describing it [TS]

  but basically you should be able to put your wrist on the top of the wheel and [TS]

  without being terribly uncomfortable that's how far away should be from the [TS]

  wheel and the best thing is like I'm already farther away than that [TS]

  and a lot of it has to do with the seat back position because I have to tell the [TS]

  back because it addressed and also because you know if you start sending [TS]

  operate my hair my head start the closer to the ceiling and all that other stuff [TS]

  so i think im my hands are already four other way that if I if I put my shoulder [TS]

  blades against the back of the seat my should push my shoulders back and say ok [TS]

  now I'm fully in the seat of my pants Florida the measured in the car tomorrow [TS]

  the drug possession it feels okay it's the pedal feel a little bit closed and [TS]

  the clinton also be a little bit light which I don't notice until I go into the [TS]

  old according to officials have you get used to it doesn't feel on pleasing [TS]

  allowed in fact it feels pretty good of course you know they stick shift slowly [TS]

  deteriorate as use the car and they start feeling a little bit not sure and [TS]

  more growth in the still feels like a new car stick shift in a new car [TS]

  collector just nice to talk about the iPod playback last time with no pause [TS]

  button to find one for today as I'll talk more about the screens in another [TS]

  show and the on-screen displays and everything I think this hundred as a [TS]

  reasonable job of striking a balance between physical controls and three [TS]

  neutrals partly because I didn't get the option that has like the the fancy [TS]

  screen with navigation everything because I didn't want to pay for it and [TS]

  say I rather I prefer the physical controls was only put that screen in [TS]

  there thanks to a second screen the screen in it takes the place of lots of [TS]

  physical control so my car has physical controls first fans be bent position [TS]

  auto climate control on off and you know the different temperatures for the [TS]

  passenger it has to control some of the physical controls they chose to use a [TS]

  bunch of buttons that are flush with each other but you know each other with [TS]

  nothing in between them except within gap of you know not even a little [TS]

  plastic flange it was just like button button by an all in one smooth [TS]

  continuous thing they are impossible to find it without touching and it's like [TS]

  dials people dials I can reach for a dial and you know you could feel this [TS]

  the five positions may be viewed even just memorize the endpoints crying [TS]

  already left recalled to the right Quito el pito it down on a button to go up up [TS]

  up down down [TS]

  down to look at the digital display I don't want to have to search around this [TS]

  smooth featureless expansive buttons feeling the scenes to try to guess which [TS]

  one of these like the fan speed up and down buttons are next to each other and [TS]

  his last one down the right one up at the right one down there in the middle [TS]

  of a series of identical buttons are completely smooth it's terrible what I [TS]

  wouldn't give for couple dials like I don't like it's good friday physical [TS]

  controls that are not just going to deal with this stuff but dials people it's so [TS]

  easy $1 france bid $1 m position they had offered for generations for decades [TS]

  I mean like to be got out of engage consoles but these days the numbers in [TS]

  this at all people like that is better you know you going to look at the angle [TS]

  of the thing without reading the numbers same thing on the dashboard I wish they [TS]

  would put dials more physical dials and fewer identical buttons one of the [TS]

  things I like about my BMW and this is true markets as well is that there are a [TS]

  lot of physical buttons for things and they're differentiable without having to [TS]

  look down or by glancing down at most and the eye Dr as we talked about quite [TS]

  a long time and the actual neutral episodes having a tactile feedback [TS]

  control input is to me a whole lot better in my friend of mine has an early [TS]

  2000 Honda Pilot with a touchscreen navigation system which I just don't [TS]

  care for it all because even as a passenger if I try to operate that is [TS]

  I'm going down the road it's just impossible to have any sort of accuracy [TS]

  so I totally agree with you when I also liked as much as I the nostalgic we [TS]

  enjoy the all-digital dashes of like the Corvettes in the eighties for example [TS]

  ATT's it's so much easier to just get a vague notion of where you are engaged by [TS]

  looking down at a needle rather than having to read in compute what your [TS]

  speed is for example although to be fair that didn't bother me as much on Marcos [TS]

  fancy pants heads up display of its in your field of vision [TS]

  that's bad but like butt dials I would absent minded we Filipinos card does [TS]

  have automatic climate control I still find that I want to micromanage my fan [TS]

  speed just because they do and I can absentmindedly micromanage fans who you [TS]

  with a dial without even thinking about it like it's it's it's automatic is [TS]

  driving for me and my other cars and be constantly adjusting the fan speed of [TS]

  the temperature with dials and now they both have buttons in the digital readout [TS]

  that so much worse I can't even find the fan speed buttons absent minded level of [TS]

  adjusted EPS of mine is just not it's just not a gesture like find the up [TS]

  button hit three times to go up three degrees or fan speed up to the one of [TS]

  the eight positions like tiles tiles and can't take it I mean I was gonna say is [TS]

  if they gave you no one has really had to go so far as far as I know to not [TS]

  have a volume dial like they'll have the up and down volume buttons on the [TS]

  steering wheel and that's better because you hitting them with your thumb like [TS]

  you don't wanna die on the steering wheel you won't like the little pads and [TS]

  and the steering wheel controls are good they're like little doubt I could like [TS]

  little D pets are five ways which has been at the center button in a four-way [TS]

  thing and the volume is up and down as I can have some I only just the value with [TS]

  no problem although I still find myself occasionally adjusting with a dial [TS]

  anyway just because I like better but forget about adjusting fans Peter even [TS]

  temperature with these things like it's I would challenge it ought to be able to [TS]

  design it put a blindfold on them and say fine the fan speed up button and if [TS]

  you hit anybody know the fans with a button will give your electrical shock [TS]

  while the visit operation [TS]

  it's a it's impossible to do and possibly it's like the old game [TS]

  operation where you see yourself at the side of the opening my daughter for [TS]

  Christmas actually so they must be running ads on it somewhere somehow seem [TS]

  like a silly find your watching commercials in the TiVo as I know we [TS]

  skip commercials in this house at the commercials are insidious man like this [TS]

  you'll start seeing on the play after a show but she hasn't gotten too fast [TS]

  enough to become mesmerized no no advertising [TS]

  32nd skip [TS]