0:00:00this show shouldn't be that long people keep asking us about the show they are
0:00:06work for the show I move that down but ok we can talk about it much follow up I
0:00:10think so I want our market to address that because it is a common frequently
0:00:14asked question yes so right now the show has two pieces of artwork it has the old
0:00:18Mac Pro at the new badge on it as the official one in the feed ever since the
0:00:22BBC have been in bedding in the embedded are working to file 8 the black Mac Pro
0:00:28with the new badge over it as kind of a joke
0:00:31from the BBC since roughly then we've been trying to get better artwork made
0:00:37and the biggest problem we've we've talked to a few designers over the last
0:00:40six months or so
0:00:41the biggest problem is that we have had no ideas and so we at we ask designer
0:00:46like hey we'd love to have you do something for us and of course all good
0:00:51designers are always busy and so they asked ok we'll look at what do you want
0:00:55and we we have no ideas except that it should contain the text axonal tech
0:01:01podcast because all other podcast contain their name in their artwork and
0:01:07therefore many podcast clients are designed to not even show the title this
0:01:11is I believe true in many sections of the iTunes podcast or where you can just
0:01:15see the square artwork and you don't even see the title so it makes it hard
0:01:19to find the show with the titles in the art work beside that we have had nothing
0:01:24else to work on however you guys all know us and you can probably take a
0:01:28guess that even though we have no ideas we are going to be critical of anything
0:01:32related to us which therefore means that we are the worst possible clients to
0:01:35have for designer so you telling people that we need the full name inside the
0:01:41things I would be happy with the initials that's what I
0:01:45alright well as making progress here I you know I would I think I would argue
0:01:51against that
0:01:53because if you just have the initials that's enough for a fan of the show has
0:01:58it in their fields to be able to recognize rather than just a diagonal
0:02:01banner saying knew well the fan but I I would say people who already subscribe
0:02:07to it and already recognized as a thing the artwork being recognizable as less
0:02:14of a problem for them and I would say are now probably is very recognizable
0:02:17still if you're browsing a list the bigger problem is attracting new people
0:02:21to the show and most people browsing this site the iTunes Store they see this
0:02:25square this as ATP they're gonna think this is like the most interesting
0:02:28adenosine triphosphate podcast in the world and its gonna we're not going to
0:02:33attract new people that way but also be attended by guest I can't believe you do
0:02:39adenosine triphosphate as the husband of a biology teacher I am very impressed
0:02:43I'm not I'm not going to pretend like I know whether it's pronounced that way or
0:02:46not but I'm pretty sure that you're right I write the reason this question
0:02:51comes up is because since we recorded the last episode new Mac Pros have been
0:02:56really sure we'll talk about that later in the show and people keep asking on
0:02:59Twitter are you going to change the artwork for the podcast to be the new
0:03:05Mac Pro instead of the old one with a big new banner on so I mean I made that
0:03:10our work six months ago I could change it I might as well i mean we're trying
0:03:15to get new artwork made still so I thought it would be a little weird to
0:03:18change the artwork now and then change it again like a month or something you
0:03:23should keep the existing old style cheese grater with the new thing on it
0:03:27till we get it and we'll just have to endure the constant questions about why
0:03:32we haven't changed our work but the distinction here is making there is
0:03:36important that the individual embedded artwork in each audio file is the new
0:03:43one but the artwork for the show is the old are you
0:03:46the art note in the XML feed is the old Mac Pro and that's what most clients
0:03:52including but some clients will read from inside the mp3 file and show that
0:03:57are working with his those people have been seeing the new one yet we got a lot
0:04:01of feedback about lol
0:04:03is there a bug is something wrong here because sometimes I get the cheese
0:04:07grater sometimes I get the trash can and and that's why it's because the XML feed
0:04:12RSS feed has one icon or 11 bit of artwork and the embedded was an id3 tags
0:04:19have a different piece of artwork so bear with us we will make it through
0:04:24this together so with that said before we talk more about the Mac Pro and I go
0:04:30to bed is there any follow-up the you might have John about other things last
0:04:36show we talked a lot about her reading applications and the things we could do
0:04:40to add more valuable signal to the suitability of applications besides just
0:04:47easily Games star ratings and reviews and one of the social things that were
0:04:53talking about was what if you can know what applications that your friends are
0:04:56using her that they like or whatever and the level of creepiness privacy
0:05:00violations of that and someone whose name I take a run at this today jane may
0:05:06be said that app store pages have facebook like on them which you know
0:05:11that's what more could you ask for in terms of knowing what your friends do
0:05:16because the facebook like button is ubiquitous if people use Facebook then
0:05:20they are to have their relationships with people on the go see what other
0:05:22friends like something I think that's a solution for Apple though and I think
0:05:27Apple things as it seems more like a stopgap because a totally cut out
0:05:33anybody Facebook and Apple despite their integration with Facebook and Twitter
0:05:39tends not to want to rely on third-party companies for things that are important
0:05:44and so I had to think that that is in there just because Apple doesn't know
0:05:50what else to do but it's not a viable long-term solution personally doesn't
0:05:53help me at all because I don't use Facebook so that doesn't help at all I
0:05:56do use the app store and at the App Store itself had a system that was like
0:05:59this I would use it because he is the App Store but requiring me to sign up
0:06:03for news some other third-party service to make this happen is not really
0:06:07solution and i also think that ok what they did with Twitter use Twitter right
0:06:10well you just get to the bottom of the blogs from a couple of years ago
0:06:15thousand badges for you would like it into posted to Google Buzz in to give it
0:06:20a plus on Google+ and retweet on Twitter and like us on Facebook and Apple needs
0:06:26an actual solutions but it is worth pointing out that they've got that
0:06:29Facebook thing to be there and I didn't recall that at all do you remember ever
0:06:34seeing little on clicking on the little like but I mean I have seen them they
0:06:39added them I think even iOS 6 has been there for a while however may be just me
0:06:46and my circle of friends I have never seen more than like one or two likes
0:06:51there and I'm not really like I i'm accustomed to ignoring Facebook and that
0:06:56things all over the web but everything I see anyway so I I like noticed it once
0:07:00and then ignored it for the rest of time like a better blindness I literally
0:07:03don't see that someone tells me to look for and even then as a hard time driving
0:07:08my eyes towards it booted off and go around it becomes invisible ad banner
0:07:13blindness is a fascinating I'm sure there's tons and tons of precedence for
0:07:18the same phenomenon but you have to have a name for it and to have such frequent
0:07:22occasion to see things a broad line is so insane that like I remember maybe
0:07:27five years ago I was about to write like an angry maybe use Twitter something was
0:07:33about to write an angry email to the people who are on Twitter back in like
0:07:3520 they don't have a huge hugging button somewhere in there on one of their pages
0:07:41to do some common function and the button was there but I literally could
0:07:45not see it because it was surrounded by things that look like an ad like it it
0:07:49had enough around maybe with their own shape their own proportions are their
0:07:53own colors at my eyes just couldn't see it I searched the page and scanning on
0:07:57campus should be totally prominent dementias right in front of my face and
0:08:02I was like why did I not see that a barren blindness it's a real thing
0:08:05oh yeah I mean that when I was when I was designing Instapaper back in the day
0:08:10with a problem with the website I had I had like one main content column and
0:08:16then off to the right ahead a little sidebar and you know the kind of common
0:08:20have the main list and in the sidebar to have folders and then you know kind of
0:08:24other I can use it as a junk drawer you know
0:08:26export was that would be like different management functions bulk delete stuff
0:08:32like that I would constantly get ready get feature requests for features that I
0:08:37had already implemented that were in that sidebar
0:08:40because people just do not see them like they it's anything it's a very heart
0:08:46problems or anything you put in a in a place that usually is an ad in most
0:08:50layouts like a sidebar or big leaderboard on top or something like
0:08:53that people just will not see you're totally right that's a real thing and
0:08:57it's it's a big designed challenged the military's use of a camouflage because
0:09:01you make something but the same proportions as typical ad banner over
0:09:06the same kind of colors or like it you know sort of fuzzy and your peripheral
0:09:10vision out of the car near Ivan looks like an ad brain will never look at it
0:09:14thanks look like giant punch the monkey medium rectangle size at a soldier it's
0:09:23a very big alright so the next bit is a couple of tweets about doing puts
0:09:32players like to talk about that slide that Apple had a Mac Pro presentation
0:09:35that it supports single and dual inputs players and we were wondering what the
0:09:39hell do input display couple people have been have responded that there exists
0:09:45displays that it's like like we suspected in the case of high resolution
0:09:50will split the display and two parts and I have two connections and one
0:09:55connection drives one part of the display and other partners to be sort of
0:09:58support on both ends of the connection to keep things and saying consoled you
0:10:03know each side is showing the right image or whatever and I assume this was
0:10:09done before the advent of Thunderbolt too because it was the only way them to
0:10:13dry before k display because a single main display port in the old standard or
0:10:17Thunderbolt one connection or DVI would never had a resolution limit that was
0:10:21insufficient to drive for k displays I just took up two of those cables and
0:10:26then one get one half and the operating system is aware of what's going on
0:10:31everything works but I still don't know is would do input display is give us the
0:10:37ability to have something that's
0:10:39above four ka resolution and other it could you have two Thunderbolt to
0:10:43connections and would that allow the Mac Pro with two Thunderbolt cables going to
0:10:48this monitor be able to drive a higher than for kids but it seems like it
0:10:52should but knowing nothing else about it I don't really see why not I mean if you
0:10:58know like these displays are suits here it's it's it's it's basically left and
0:11:03right halves so it's 1920 by 2164 you have four kids play if you could make
0:11:10that a little bit bigger you can accommodate 5121 5122 by 2080 which is
0:11:17you know it the 27 inch version of retina we have today you can come it
0:11:23very easily and not hit any bandwidth limit along the way if you're doing like
0:11:26left and right how that would work resumed with the exact same way just
0:11:30with a few more pixels and I know of anything like that exists but this is
0:11:34what they're putting up on that slide the thing that we were unaware of is
0:11:37that before the avenue thunderbolt is everybody supported forecast and the Mac
0:11:41Pro supports that so if you happen to have one of those monitors your you know
0:11:44you're good to go
0:11:45and interestingly the new Retina MacBook Pro I'm pretty sure does not support
0:11:50that have to verify that yeah I think they say I think of some sort I can't
0:11:54somebody says the most it will do is forecast and I think actually 10910
0:12:01might be the first release 10 that adds support for this feature as well so it's
0:12:05a hardware and software combinations to make sure that it supports dual inputs
0:12:09ways right otherwise you'd have liked you know the menu bar attack up the left
0:12:13half of the top of the screen and weird weird stuff like that as if it were to
0:12:17different places so you wouldn't want that
0:12:20and speaking of displays and talk more about the macro type of this fall but we
0:12:24talked about that sharp display that appeared briefly
0:12:27the European website and it disappeared not only is it back as something you
0:12:31could order on the Apple Retail Store Online Store rather with your Mac Pro
0:12:37but if you were to go to the new version of the Final Cut Pro 10 web page at
0:12:42apple.com they show screenshots of Final Cut I'm actually show it running on the
0:12:48sharp monitors with the word sharp brand front of that many black of the logo
0:12:52with the oval it'll stand and it is really weird to see a big you know a
0:12:59prominent display of non-apple hardware on a product page on a big product pages
0:13:03not obscure thing this is not a tiny image after the car this is a full with
0:13:07gigantic image of sharp displays and a couple of wonderful displays as well but
0:13:15since they're really pushing for K and I'll post up I guess I mean what choices
0:13:19that they have to show that because there are pushing for k support that
0:13:22show for came under and that the only one that got so I don't know a lot of
0:13:29people are saying that this just proves that they weren't ready with their for
0:13:32solutions that had to do something maybe but the tiny little scared voices maybe
0:13:37they just never gonna make a four-game on it or maybe this is getting out of
0:13:40the monitor business and you're just going to have to buy one of these
0:13:43plastic things well or I mean it could go a couple other ways to i mean it
0:13:49could it could be that the first the first 5121 2880 panels that Apple
0:13:55shipped my going to run on Mac just similar to how when and when the when
0:14:01this iMac came out when we have now that the 27 and screaming I first came out of
0:14:05this ad shows ago you could not buy a 27 inch 2560 1440 panel and you for anybody
0:14:13else for at least a few months after that came out and certainly the 38th
0:14:18displays that had that resolution we're not as good as advanced into had worse
0:14:23color contrast worse brightness stuff like that and they were more expensive
0:14:27it's possible maybe maybe they're just savings plan for you I'm at first and
0:14:33seeing all the macro customers can go get there are monitors for now
0:14:36it's also possible and you don't have to be mutually exclusive
0:14:40it also possible that there simply not going to make a four-game that they're
0:14:46gonna jump right past that and just make a 5120 by 2018 monitor they don't need
0:14:51to make a 3840 by whatever you know maybe they just get that because for the
0:14:56purpose of their computer monitors
0:14:58you know it's it's it's an awkward resolution because of these side issues
0:15:02we discussed previously we're like if you're gonna run that as a as a two X
0:15:06retina monitor it pretty much can't be larger than about 24 inches if your
0:15:12gonna run as a one-act monitor it has to be like 32 inches so it's you know a lot
0:15:17larger than what they make now in a large one of their desks so it's it's
0:15:22kind of a weird resolution to deal with as general-purpose computer monitors and
0:15:27if you look at the screen shots in the final cut pro page they're not running
0:15:31those monitors and IDBI mode as far as I can tell you look at the size of the
0:15:35menu bar on their running them in native res which is pretty squinty
0:15:39but you know it's it's right after my own heart of like yes please no
0:15:44nonnative redesign I'll see if you can help it if they're going to wait for it
0:15:49to go on the iMac first though that is depressing because can you think about
0:15:52how long it's gonna take for this to be an affordable display and I'm at 4:04
0:15:56a.m. and we had a better name for this thing about a quad 27 inch is basically
0:16:01take the existing 27 and Thunderbolt Display make for them to come together
0:16:05that's what we're talking about in terms of pixels alright so the for a quad 27
0:16:09inch display
0:16:12gonna be a long time before that is inexpensive enough to go and I might
0:16:16because this one this fork a display that isn't even that high resolution is
0:16:19$4,000 so maybe next year and have some pricing is two thousand one more year it
0:16:24down 21 death this is an even higher resolution we're talking about so well
0:16:28to be fair though like proquote pro monitors are always a lot more expensive
0:16:32then similar quality desktop monitors from from like afford for normal use a
0:16:37different color accuracy requirement and stuff like that but the 27 inch iMac
0:16:41with that money that really good quality to win that first came to the iMac babe
0:16:46maybe wasn't super duper calibrated professional photog
0:16:49but it was really good quality sure yet but I mean you look at the Del the new
0:16:53Dell you whatever the u20 for the 24 inch Dell for its 1200 bucks or thirteen
0:17:0013 and regular piano every time you look at the whole thing that's different
0:17:03price so it's it's about 1200 bucks and and 24 h porque and that's that's really
0:17:10cheap compared to everything else we've seen so far I think they even said the
0:17:1428 inch version is going to be cheaper at the 800 but it might not be as good
0:17:18of a pound some of that but the point is I think we're I think the Dell 24 inch
0:17:24for case shows that this might not be as far as we think that it has to be
0:17:31affordable for this to be available and affordable in our quad 27 inch
0:17:36theoretical resolution maybe this comes out in six months or a year and maybe
0:17:41maybe Apple charges 1500 to 2000 for it I guess we should transition right into
0:17:48Mac Pro discussion has been talking about it and I think Casey put this
0:17:51question at the bottom of the follow-up here I did anyone buy a Mac Pro we are
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0:25:38we shouldn't joke about that so John today
0:25:43Mac Pros were available for order did you order a new Mac Pro show that I
0:25:49wanna wait for gaming benchmarks and other things I did click around on the
0:25:53store but I did not order one now Casey yr me asking you if you want a new Mac
0:25:58Pro did you order a new Mac Pro I did really well of course not know there's
0:26:07no part of me that desires a non mobile computer and I'm not saying I'm right
0:26:13I'm not saying that this makes sense but for me I've ever since she's on her now
0:26:182002 I have always had laptops and I've either exclusively had laptops or almost
0:26:26exclusively have laptops and I've always preferred that form factor because I
0:26:32guess by and large I don't need a million gigabytes of storage space
0:26:36within my computer I don't need a lot of the things you guys need I don't mean
0:26:40that to patronize you i mean that gentleman and so I've always preferred
0:26:43to have mobile computers and because of that I actually have to MacBook Pros
0:26:49morning is from work one is that one is one that I bought and I was considering
0:26:54buying a retina MacBook Pro but no pro do you have an extra monitor hooked up
0:26:59to that idea I do like that you're using this thing that itself has it has a
0:27:06screen and a keyboard on it but you're not using that screen and you're not
0:27:09using that keyboard you've got another keyboard
0:27:11her input device looking at two different screen slowdown sir so what I
0:27:17have at home is an external Apple Bluetooth keyboard one of the ones that
0:27:23takes its four batteries I have a magic mouse that I use both at work and at
0:27:28home and then i have a samsung Display that something around 20 inches at home
0:27:34and there's a plethora of different displays that we use at work all of
0:27:39which are around the same size but I always always always use dual displays
0:27:45so it work I have to display is at home I have two displays and I think it's
0:27:49absolutely barbaric to not use two displays like you've got a one-year
0:27:54screen sizes keyboard hanging over the don't use unless it's on your lap and
0:27:57it's got a track pad in front of that but you don't use because using a magic
0:28:00mouse and monitor is too low as your propped up on a stand and then have that
0:28:05big thing getting out in front of you if you want two screens get two screens
0:28:08like I think there's room in everyone's life for a test in in defense of the
0:28:12setup but you were just making fun of John I had that setup for the first few
0:28:16years of Tumblr and it was great I mean when I did finally get a Mac Pro and
0:28:20dual monitors that was better but the setup of having having a laptop on a
0:28:26stand and then having a full size keyboard or mouse on the desktop and
0:28:30then having a big monitor plug into the laptop you're right it's just sitting
0:28:33there floating not being use it screen so you have the day of the big display
0:28:38as your primary or secondary full-size keyboard or mouse on the desktop honest
0:28:43and that's a great setup your desk gonna be covered in wires but that is a great
0:28:48setup I would like it better if you if you could fold the laptop back so that
0:28:53you know the part they are not using is back behind the display you know I mean
0:28:57like a slate tablet known I understand what you're saying but you still need a
0:29:03little stand that you just get rid of that part that the horizontal partners
0:29:05jutting out towards you just looking stupid with input devices the United
0:29:10using it it does look stupid like any normal person walks by your desk manager
0:29:15said they will make fun of it but then you see them
0:29:18hunched over their desk hunched over a laptop is finding the desk all day long
0:29:22and they complain about her neck and shoulders hurt
0:29:24laptops are yeah alright anyway case you did not get a Mac Pro Marco the only
0:29:32person left who could have conceivably bought one so I I said previously that I
0:29:36was probably not going to get one until they had retina displays so I bought 10
0:29:43taking it had a Retina Display you just never qualified that had to be an apple
0:29:47red flag was implied but technically we go back and listen to the tape will hear
0:29:51that you just said well if they offer its right there on the page when you
0:29:55scroll down you click like that of Arcadis play yes and if you if you don't
0:29:59look really closely you might think wow display which I thought for a
0:30:03millisecond when I first saw that page that no sharp on the small icon that
0:30:09Mavericks background on its an apple the small nose know and I and I didn't buy
0:30:13that despite the offer now so everyone I probably wouldn't have order one today
0:30:21if they were gonna be just like in stock normally and I could borrow never wanted
0:30:26but I didn't want it so bad that I was gonna order it at three so I woke up
0:30:32this morning took care of my family did all the morning stuff and then checked
0:30:36and it said shipping in February ok well I guess I should probably think about
0:30:42ordering I wanted to time soon so I I had or if so there's a thing in new york
0:30:48state where New York State computer hardware is sales tax exempt if it's
0:30:53going to be used primarily for software development are making websites which
0:30:57mine is so but to get the cells that exempting you have to either file for it
0:31:02later with the state after you paid it and try to get reimbursed which is a
0:31:04disaster paperwork that only light tempt or buy it through an apple business rep
0:31:09but I did I you know the business rep my store and said hey I want one of these
0:31:14things let's let's do it and that also comes with a small discount they mine
0:31:20was discovered something like $400 but it was it was a pretty good discount
0:31:24that's not small and so I I did that because I and I even asked is there
0:31:30gonna get it before February like the website well we can put it on the
0:31:34separator system there are some kind of priority but
0:31:37probably not visibly was the answer so I got it mainly because I think between
0:31:43now and February a lot of people going to get these things and everyone else
0:31:48can figure out what is the best retina monitor situation solution if any right
0:31:53now is that the Dells is it the other things who knows everyone else was
0:31:58trying to figure that out and then by the time I get mine I can decide then
0:32:01whether to keep using my display and hope the cable doesn't flake out keep
0:32:05using my thirtieth have now until Apple makes their own you know four times the
0:32:1027th we have today or I can go down I mean I've actually and said I have never
0:32:17even had an Apple display so it wouldn't be a very good for me to buy a non-apple
0:32:20display again because everybody is so that's what I'm going with a really any
0:32:27doubt in your mind that you would immediately instead by the new Mac Pro I
0:32:31really thought that I would wait until you know the spring and see what people
0:32:38said about them see how big of a performance gain there was from the old
0:32:42one like that that's what you said you were gonna wait and wait until the
0:32:46gretna stuffs ready you were totally going home and waiting so much so that I
0:32:51was like yeah maybe I'll wait like Marco but I should have known you never gonna
0:32:54wait while the other thing is you know like it with with almost all Apple
0:32:58hardware the price doesn't ever go down during the life cycle of the product
0:33:02especially max has changed a lot but in the Mac area it's not like this macro is
0:33:10gonna cost $1,000 less in six months that the price does not change its gonna
0:33:15say this exact same price from now through whenever the next one comes out
0:33:20that rose only had a price drop once and that was the the quote update last year
0:33:26that they did was to hit that caused our logo 22 so besides that there's never
0:33:32been a price drop on on a current Mac Pro whether i buy it now or whether I
0:33:37biotin six months doesn't make much of a difference really it's like you're
0:33:41paying the same price might as well have it sooner and have all that extra
0:33:45performance sooner cuz there is a lot of stuff I do today that will benefit from
0:33:49the extra speed
0:33:50quite a lot actually especially with the production of the show and a bunch of
0:33:54like image editing tasks I often do you like big batch operations on big
0:33:58forceful than just stuff like that where I i paralyzed everything I mean there's
0:34:02there's a lot that I'm going to gain from it immediately and it's not going
0:34:06to be like you know tremendous like 10 times faster than I have now but it is
0:34:10going to be between one and a half and two times faster than what I have now
0:34:13and that will add up so when you get you any corner 32 gig yet exactly and the so
0:34:20I think I would say that the best value configuration if you want the best bang
0:34:25for your buck it's the six core no question the eight-core it's probably
0:34:30not worth its price it's a lot more money for the Accor probably not worth
0:34:34it for most people you know not only do you like her boobs just basically the
0:34:39same between the two six core is only 500 bucks more a core is 1500 more than
0:34:4626 so that's that's a big price difference the only thing is the Accord
0:34:50does have double the cash it's even more actually it's 12 versus 25 megabytes so
0:34:56it has a lot more cash that will affect performance not as much as like two more
0:35:01cores would but that will have an effect on performance that's notable for auto
0:35:06workload so the Accord is what's interesting there's a big reason I
0:35:12blogged hoelter boost thing I'd like to but again today I'm not going over in
0:35:15the show because it's too long and boring and of course I would never do
0:35:17something like that show but basically the 12 cortex gonna be slower than the a
0:35:23core for a lot of things for almost anything that's not using every core all
0:35:28the time the according to the fastest shipping line up and that's one of the
0:35:31reasons why Apple has given other reviewers the Accord model and model so
0:35:36what GPU Gia I was all set to get the d500 the middle one but I ended up going
0:35:42with d700 and and the reason why is because once I prices whole thing out
0:35:46the price difference in you know it's like price $600 and it's a small
0:35:51percentage of the
0:35:54and and you know what the discount is probably more like you know 5:25 or 530
0:35:57someone that whatever whatever it was it was less oh yeah they're like that price
0:36:00relativism like you know if I thought of it separately do I want to spend $600 on
0:36:04the GPU mi said no already putting all this stuff what's the extra you know few
0:36:10percentage points on top of that so I and I did that because the GPUs probably
0:36:18can't be reasonably upgraded yes they're on slots yes technically they are
0:36:23replaceable but you can only replace them with other Apple supplied parts
0:36:28chances are going to cost a fortune to to replace these things if you wanted to
0:36:33upgrade these things in two years it's not going to cost you 60 bucks probably
0:36:37cost like 1500 2000 like it's gonna cost you a lot it's upgrading your
0:36:43motherboard your Mac Pro operation even if even if Apple will sell you the part
0:36:48so I'm guessing like OWC and I can make their own replacement GPU that will work
0:36:54with this it was namely that it's going to be very it's the kind of thing that
0:36:58basically is not replaceable over the lifetime of the machine so for a very
0:37:02small different get the best one i I did it mostly so that I don't regret not
0:37:07getting the best one in like two years I'm still using this and then all of a
0:37:11sudden I'm hitting the barrier of the d500 on something I'm doing and that
0:37:15might never happen that's the risk attaining us and then you know why
0:37:20eventually we saw this is more so with this way back in the day you were gonna
0:37:26wait and I had to buy me too because I can't stand her anymore but now the
0:37:29thing is out and I played with the price configurator and all that stuff
0:37:34god these things are expensive and like I'm in the configurator and the like
0:37:39first time you're under you just go pick everything you want to meet the press
0:37:43you like yeah that's not gonna happen right so that I gotta go and say what do
0:37:46I sacrifice well so you know six car go back down from a cheaper the GPU
0:37:55I had picked the 700th anniversary run through like half the reason I'm buying
0:37:58the things I want to give you a don't need all that VRAM but I do like the
0:38:02execution it again without gaming benchmarks I don't know
0:38:04if it's going to serve my needs because this machine is not made for me I'm just
0:38:09trying to use it because it's the only machine that comes with something more
0:38:13than a mobile GPU from Apple and i dont wanna mobile GPU and gaming GPU Apple
0:38:18doesn't offer gaming anymore they offer professional GPUs which of these monster
0:38:22things in here that are not what I want or need and might not even run games
0:38:27that well we'll see or have a mobile GPU and so I'm trying to make this machine
0:38:32to something that's really not and so I couldn't keep you down and think about
0:38:38this machine is that both of us were kind of you you are still caught up in
0:38:41this but we're both going up new ideas like this is this is one the desktop is
0:38:46gonna rain tonight laptops around will not be areas but the regular MacBook
0:38:49Pros and gone written all the iOS devices are ready finally with this
0:38:53crazy ass thing black so under thing we're going to have the power to go read
0:38:59it on the desktop not gonna come to the iMac versus going to come to the Mac Pro
0:39:02for Mac Pro cost a billion dollars and it can run a Retina display and you're
0:39:06still holding on to that dream but at this point I'm kind of like I have to
0:39:10give up on the retina dream at least 2014 retina is not a suicide pact I'm
0:39:15not gonna spend my entire life savings machine to try to get just a desktop
0:39:19display with something in retina I have to just go and say it's not going to
0:39:24happen next year
0:39:25like you know what I want I want the big quad 27 just doesn't even exist that
0:39:30might not even be able to be driven by the thing anyway and so I look at this
0:39:35as a machine not driving or end by the way if I'm gonna buy renewed strength
0:39:39and another $1500 to $4,000 display get to the cost of this already tremendously
0:39:45expensive thing and if I don't get a Retina display and then I have to ask
0:39:50what is this machine getting me that upgrading my system Mac Pro 11 of I just
0:39:56put in Pasadena gaming card into my existing macro like a word that that
0:40:02running game is better and CPUs does exactly what it I know if that's because
0:40:06I have a really big and I'm at work and I know if you lose weight faster than
0:40:10the spinning disk errors I know what that's like
0:40:11and the game again card upgrade and what that would be like to that would be WAY
0:40:16cheaper and I would like think about my MacPro I would also have to have all
0:40:20these disks in external enclosures that like fire wire enclosures and yeah I
0:40:24have the nests and everything but I don't want to get rid of this fire why
0:40:26this would have to be a thunderbolt and closer to put their stuff in my
0:40:31Thunderbolt public I can actually just the money just keeps flowing out of me
0:40:36and into the hands of people and I don't know if I don't know if I should buy
0:40:43this machine I don't know if I should just wait until it is like you said it's
0:40:46not like I always six months and now they won't like that until the new
0:40:50versions come out next year maybe if I'm lucky WEC the announced revised macros
0:40:55well it will be that soon because the next Xeon chips law even be out until I
0:41:00think you for next year the CPUs will be the same but as I said that the GPUs
0:41:04that are in these are already based on AMD's previous gen they have revised
0:41:09their their GPU core so it is conceivable that WC control around which
0:41:13is kind of the year anniversary but not really like the University of the
0:41:17announcement and they'll say I was going to be on what else could they put in it
0:41:21right maybe there will be a slight price drop on that but both about looking for
0:41:25is they were revised the GPUs should be the new architecture st. maybe hold the
0:41:30prices seem to be a little better but like
0:41:32maybe there's something out there if I just got it right off 2014 and say in
0:41:372015 that's when I'll get my Mac Pro and maybe by then in 2015 is a chance that
0:41:42I'll retina displays real-time display squad 27 inch I don't know I haven't
0:41:45made a decision yet but I'm definitely thinking about I'm definitely in pricing
0:41:49out a macro that also pricing out an SSD and a new card from existing macro or by
0:41:56the way if you want to sell your Mac Pro Marco
0:41:59give me a sweetheart dear deal you know I don't lie don't lie I actually was
0:42:03just thinking like how the hell am I gonna sell this pci-express SSD who's
0:42:07gonna bite us well I don't know how good it is often look at bike I don't I would
0:42:12never put that in my machine is it seems like finicky and expensive not really
0:42:15just have i guess i dont wanna whatever but I don't know like it's not finicky
0:42:18it is expensive but I i would i would say this to you for a good price because
0:42:24I don't want to sell it like two in public I just don't want another cheese
0:42:28grater coming into my office this month ago and I just tell you the card if you
0:42:33want I don't know that point I would just by myself in a city that I can be
0:42:39used in place of you know i buy it actual SATA SATA enclosure I don't think
0:42:43he'll mind me saying this guy I bought this PCI Express card probably months
0:42:49ago it was before the BBC by by a good amount I think it was like in February
0:42:54something so I IDM Jim Dalrymple before buying it gives you an idea of him and
0:43:02I'm like hey just you don't need to answer this but do you know whether the
0:43:08next Mac Pro will still have PCI Express slots because I really wanted to like I
0:43:13was gonna buy the thing I like everyone to use it if possible and I thought back
0:43:17then of course it would have PCI Express slots why wouldn't why would they remove
0:43:21that from the Mac Pro that's why so many people buy them it's got a PCI Express
0:43:26off yet and he Jim usually responds to you know casual messages but you know he
0:43:39he doesn't leak secrets to even two friends so he just never responded
0:43:45like like well you know he he's being coy he doesn't tell me anything about
0:43:52the new Mac Pro and then they get the now and then there's no slaughter should
0:43:58I should have listened to Jim's non message more closely that's not reusable
0:44:03and anything except for another Mac Pro so I don't have little enclosure like
0:44:07basically Thunderbolt enclosures with the PCI Express slot that I could put
0:44:10this so I could do that that's but as you said that's like a lot of parts
0:44:14though it took a lot of a lot of things that could flake out so I'm little weary
0:44:17to do that as far as like $300 that box to it is yes 300 bucks so I'm probably
0:44:22just gonna try to sell this this this card but like the role of like the rule
0:44:27of cables as they're the real the Apple Store is nothing less than $30 and
0:44:30lightning cables used to be like the rule of thunderbolt is nothing involving
0:44:36Thunderbolt anyways like less than two or three hundred dollars aren't the
0:44:40cable still 50 boxes like it and the box below one end and then the other end as
0:44:47a bunch of other parts Firewire USB all the other things it's magic that works
0:44:51and it's awesome but those boxes are always like two or three hundred oh yeah
0:44:55and I given an enclosure like a drive enclosure like that the drive is $80
0:45:00worth the price of this $290 thing I also I just hate enclosures I would much
0:45:05rather have everything in the Synology nasa my closet and have my desk have
0:45:09only the Mac Pro and nothing hanging off the edge of the monitor just no no like
0:45:14random enclosures on my desk all over the place
0:45:16yeah I use them for almost ten areas that's one thing I like next year what
0:45:20am I gonna do with those two if I get that new Mac Pro I need some alternate
0:45:24boot disk to boot off of the new operating system now so you see what I
0:45:30mean
0:45:30usb3 is like this awesome fast thing that a smack her owners have like never
0:45:35realized existed but I feel like that's why I do have a bus powered USB 3
0:45:40terabyte drive to the black in fact I was like wow they look great
0:45:43attached to my
0:45:44Mac Pro but not fair to boot the OS off really slow 5400 rpm 2.5 inch not just
0:45:55him right now I want to have a reasonable experience testing and not
0:46:00like handicapped in that way so I don't know I'm conflicted the best part of
0:46:05being cheap and not having the ridiculous needs and/or lack of
0:46:11self-control the you to have is that I have none of this stress right now I'm
0:46:17perfectly happy and that has nothing to do with anything I put my body today I'm
0:46:22perfectly happy with my old non retina MacBook Pros and I am content with that
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0:49:07next year when I don't want to think about it forever it's worth I I actually
0:49:15just found and pulled up my original 2008 Mac Pro order received because it
0:49:20feels like the Mac Pro has gotten more and more expensive next-generation get
0:49:26to get mid-range back there was a dip I but if you graphics I remember when that
0:49:31when there is a one in front of the Mac Pro name for a little while they're the
0:49:342008 was the second generation when the first generation from 2006 that one you
0:49:40could get a single CPU I believe dual core model it was in the 2004 course I
0:49:45think it's too coarse and one JB get a single CPU model of that for I believe
0:49:50sixteen or eighteen hundreds of my bad but so my night when I got mine I
0:49:56remember being upset the price has gone up and I paid 3000 $50 that the extra 50
0:50:02was for wi-fi which was optional
0:50:04so it was $3,000 for the dual 2.8 hurts quad-core chips so a course total across
0:50:15two sockets you had all like all I believe eight slots across the across
0:50:21them did all this rain capacity dual core dual socket everything else
0:50:263,000 bucks for that at the time that was the second lowest at the second
0:50:32lowest CPU option they were that there was the 3.1 3.2 gigahertz but same
0:50:37number of course it was they were very close
0:50:39CPU options like they between between the three of them there was one of only
0:50:43two more soccer that was that sucks but there were like three top that were
0:50:47pretty good so that was like that was three thousand bucks computer I'm
0:50:52sitting front of right now dole to buy an 88 RAM slots 2008 my bro right at the
0:50:57time that seem like a lot of money but you know looking back on it now we see
0:51:02like modern macro present that was actually a pretty good deal but most of
0:51:06the fault of this I think actually like intel intel has been raising their Xeon
0:51:12prices like crazy like i remember i i believe it was the 2009 era Mac Pro
0:51:18the first name generation however that's pronounced I know it's wrong that that's
0:51:23when I can tell jack the price is way up and and it became insane to get like
0:51:28dual sockets yeah I i've a single cycle one of those at work and I think that
0:51:32one still was under $2000 the cheap one has always been like this single socket
0:51:36or whatever I've got the single socket stupid 14 RAM slots and triple channel
0:51:40memory but it had a one in front of its price after it was sixteen or seventeen
0:51:44hundred dollars it really cheap I'm pretty sure that something case when we
0:51:47I mean when we got our 2008 it's the cheapest one I believe was 2700 or maybe
0:51:54$2,500 for the single socket what I'm thinking about for value for the new Mac
0:51:59Pros is value for me not value as in my guess is it a priority to the people who
0:52:03need this know that they need it right for me for the purposes that I'm going
0:52:07to use this machine is not made for me I'm trying to find it it's useful for me
0:52:12the test that I want macworld run everything are questions like are their
0:52:17existing that you can buy now that are faster at single CPU desk I think from
0:52:23their measurements that the top and iMac is faster and single CPU than any Mac
0:52:28Pro you can buy I believe that's correct I believe it's like it's something like
0:52:32five percent faster on the single the test they know they can give a number
0:52:37because they have to give a number and that's not really representative
0:52:39anything because if you get if you ran some tests that blew through the help
0:52:443 cash on their IMAX thing then they would you know it would totally
0:52:48destroyed but it depends on what you're doing you can't take some numbers like
0:52:54this abuser represented by this thing that depends on the specific task but it
0:52:59is possible that there were clothes for which the top and IMAX's faster it you
0:53:04know single thread s next question is can are there non now Promax that can
0:53:11run pick a modern 3d game at higher frame rates are the same settings and
0:53:16resolution as any of the Mac Pros I don't know if that's the case yet but I
0:53:21could imagine that I don't know it seems like it should never be the case the
0:53:25best GPU and 70 something it's a mobile Park Race not even desktop part and
0:53:33surely even the crappy keep you in the neck pro should be able to crush it but
0:53:38I don't know until we see results but all these questions leaving us a like if
0:53:41you're going to buy this machine to have a fast quiet desktop machine it's not
0:53:46going to be ready so you can hold that over the iMac or anything that comes
0:53:50with the big monitor already built in which you would like to buy to replace
0:53:53small-minded here what is it you're spending all this money for if you're
0:53:58not going to get better performance and you just get an iMac 27 inches by top of
0:54:02the top top line is you're not going to get like hard drive bays or anything
0:54:06that used to get with the Mac Pro that probably appealed the right exactly you
0:54:10know and I both cases I'd be giving I think that is there still far away 800
0:54:17on the iMac and I remember anymore
0:54:18question I doubt it but anyway like its value for me I have to think about that
0:54:24because it's so much cheaper and iMac it's incredibly cheaper to get a top an
0:54:31iMac or like I said what if I just got a new GPU and a new SSD for my existing
0:54:36macro just wait now that I'm never leaving the Mac Pro and I'm never gonna
0:54:40get another one I will buy one eventually I think but it has to be a
0:54:42clean win or has to be retina and retinal forget it doesn't seem like it's
0:54:47happening maybe next year and it doesn't seem like the Mac Pros aside from being
0:54:52super sexy and awesome and quiet which all appeal to me is a clean win in terms
0:54:56of value for what I want to do it the machine and that's what that's what's
0:54:59killing me that like I think I think the case very true macro successor I think
0:55:05this is it but aimed at a different realm then where I am like it's not it's
0:55:11aimed at people who need all the power it in there and I would be buying it and
0:55:13not using an entire one of these super expensive GPUs and not using most of the
0:55:18cores it's like trying to make the best fastest most awesome computer which I'm
0:55:24using like a tiny isolated corner I'm not using the whole machine so few
0:55:29people will be using the machine so it's kind of wasted on me it's kind of
0:55:33disappointing yeah I mean given your priorities especially in regards to
0:55:37gaming performance I really do think that and iMac is probably an iMac and in
0:55:43particular I'm having an iMac and upgrading it more frequently maybe maybe
0:55:48you have an iMac an updated every two years I think that would serve you
0:55:51better than trying to hold onto a Mac Pro for five years and trying to trying
0:55:56to get modern gaming performance out of it but the thing is there's no way that
0:55:59the GPU in iMac should under like you know hardware wise come anywhere close
0:56:04to the gaming performance is all going to come down to drivers I think because
0:56:09it's just that the number of than the number of like execution units in
0:56:13parallel processes in that GPU in any of the GPUs even 2011 surely has to be
0:56:18bullied or the amount of execution hardware it's in the stupid mobile GPU
0:56:23that the question pretty GB performance ok well it should crash by all accounts
0:56:29based on the hardware any iMac but it will not crush probably a real gaming
0:56:34GBU card in my car Mac Pro if such a thing exists because there's plenty of
0:56:39games you view that more executions hardware than the low end and maybe even
0:56:44the new medium and GPUs in the Mac Pro that I have as much VRAM and then I have
0:56:49all those other you know fancy things of the drivers for like my stuff like that
0:56:53but I don't need those things I just wanna gaming performance in game video
0:56:56card is a way better deal than those super expensive two GPUs which I'm not
0:57:00going to want it all right serious question why don't you just build a
0:57:04gaming PC for 1200 bucks because she is a disgusting gaming PC I don't want to
0:57:11deal with that owned the building I don't have an ugly noisy box in my house
0:57:15I don't want to have to computers I don't have a KVM switch just don't want
0:57:20the Mac Pro is that my current Mac Pro is the culmination of a dream I've got a
0:57:26GUI I've got UNIX I can run Windows I can run Mac both natively
0:57:31it's every computer wanted on one is just you know five years older and it
0:57:35just seems like you're jumping through a lot of hoops and in particular you're
0:57:38taking on a lot of costs that you otherwise probably wouldn't need at all
0:57:42simply to avoid having a top 10 gaming PC on your desk between $1,200 and I got
0:57:50a good game but I don't think you realize how cheap PC components if I'm
0:57:55gonna build a gaming PC I would get like the $800 video cards right there you
0:58:00know and those entered all but ignored the noisy and the power supplies you
0:58:04need to run them have big noisy fans and it would just be it would be a gigantic
0:58:07noisy hot vacuum cleaner and where they build it for you when they discharged on
0:58:13top of the three grand for those things and they're disgusting looking I do not
0:58:17want to be like what I want I want basically is exactly what that little
0:58:21Mac Pro is but attached to a quad Retina screen and with even better GPUs that
0:58:26all whose performance is at a level exactly gaming like that drivers each
0:58:32week to make that my I have to wait for the
0:58:34it could be that that hardware is wholly squandered in games because the drivers
0:58:39or it could be that that it is reasonable and it performs the way you
0:58:43think it should but even then like that like I'm picked the 700 E 700 video card
0:58:48because I know that the top and gaming cards have that many execution units are
0:58:52more suited to just be in that realm I have to pick up hardware even though it
0:58:56will no game is going to use 12 gigabytes here and I just have to buy
0:58:59them because comes with it how much internal flash storage would you go with
0:59:03the pic terabyte I mean I have to because like even if I was going to buy
0:59:09an SSD for this thing out pick something close to a terabyte just because that's
0:59:13not that that's not the big thing and I want to just be able to fill all my
0:59:17stuff and I wanted to be on the super-fast PCI Express that's part of
0:59:21the experience of having a machine that something that even a top an iMac has a
0:59:25pci-express SSD probably not as fast as the ones internet browser but I would
0:59:29but at the same part actually but it they did tests they did a brief testing
0:59:35at Macworld of the SSD and they came up with some number and they seem to be
0:59:38impressed by it so I'm assuming that number is faster than what they got from
0:59:41the SSD built into the top and just under a gigabyte per second read and
0:59:45write which is pretty awesome so I guess some quick price out here so for you to
0:59:51have a top-end iMac 16 gig ram good for you
0:59:5516 gigs RAM 2007 alright alright 3232 ok I would save money by I could save money
1:00:04by not couldn't save money because they don't don't they put the 16 filling all
1:00:08the slots I was gonna say yeah I could go from 16 to 32 by buying third-party
1:00:12Rambis you can actually replace that on those little things but yeah but you're
1:00:16going to have to have to pop them all out
1:00:18replace them all so everything from Apple for an iMac configured the way you
1:00:24wouldn't want your looking at just under four Grand 3949 and Mac Pro I i put on
1:00:30the sex workers friend to a friend about the four core and its 5800 so you're
1:00:35looking at about almost $2,000 difference to get the macro monitor
1:00:42I'm having a hard time justifying that crew for you and and that I would
1:00:45happily justify this for anybody
1:00:46want me two but three for your expressed needs and priorities of wanting a really
1:00:53great gaming computer for home but otherwise like beside gaming what do you
1:00:59what do you mean they're doing on this computer literally stressing it like
1:01:01what is your highest needs tasks 32 gigs of ram is because I was activity now I'm
1:01:09probably using all my right I'm always running out of room have $16 and memory
1:01:16compression members does help memory is pearl that meaty yeah well you know it's
1:01:22it's not duck typing right all that all that ran for duck time memory use 15.4
1:01:29gigabyte of 16 but I quit a bunch of apps before I do a podcast just her
1:01:33safety say but I mean and I mean granted parole is ancient and old and boring and
1:01:38silly thing none of us are anxious
1:01:41SSD is it is like having a Mac Pro at work with us as they are modern home
1:01:48without SSD is a big part of improving my computer experience and the other
1:01:53part is whenever I seem to play a game or something
1:01:56my GPU is just not cutting it and people in the chat room or taunting me by
1:02:00saying they're two and a half year old iMac you'd be back in the 1800's still
1:02:05hold its own still does things that really crappy iMac TPU camp at the top
1:02:11and I'm actually getting better but I'm not looking for or just get something
1:02:15they can run modern games are looking for headroom to spend all this money I
1:02:19want something that has the power to last me as long as 8800 as I think you'd
1:02:24be better off he'll be better served either getting a reasonably expect Mac
1:02:28Pro and getting gaming PC whenever the macro becomes too slow for gaming for
1:02:32you
1:02:32for 1200 bucks or just getting a top of the line I'm at every two years or
1:02:37getting nasty and I have to leave that in and the county are things are buying
1:02:42some parts of your old Mac Pro from you and basically doing the same thing I do
1:02:49but I don't know how much you well it would be an upgrade two years newer the
1:02:55abuser better
1:02:56look at it that that like that's killing me with a feeling of dread like having
1:03:02you examine my Mac if it's good enough it'll be in better condition than mine
1:03:08believe me like I try to take care of it but as the children become more mobile
1:03:12and more violent things that on the floor in the path of damage and i'm
1:03:19looking forward to getting it on my desk
1:03:22exhibit titled the cables to the desk legs of the can't be pulled much and I
1:03:28try to like really clean everything up off the floor but also really hope with
1:03:31dust management in the room anyway during the two hours but macro my god
1:03:37can we please feed on who are you seriously I'm so bored right now did you
1:03:47watch the videos of the unboxing of the pictures of them unboxing and videos I'm
1:03:51looking at the macro and micro site
1:03:54know it's it's it's pretty sexy every picture I've seen so far it's been
1:03:59covered and finger prints
1:04:01definitely says something but the good thing about it is unlike an iOS device
1:04:05is not meant to be picked up when it's used so you can put in place at your
1:04:08desk
1:04:09get out your little microfiber cloth polish up in the just a touch it again
1:04:12cause why do I get the same people who touched monitors people I bet those
1:04:17people who are you what kind of computers that put their finger to
1:04:23electrify the case my money through that but then played them off and is
1:04:29optimistic but since I hear me okay so I'm gonna be an idiot and ask one Mac
1:04:35Pro related question so friend of the show
1:04:38Jason's now dear friend of the shadow of the show day since now has taken a video
1:04:43and sent it to John the fan in the Mac Pro John would you like to expand it all
1:04:50up on what that video told you a video with his phone or other portable thing
1:04:56and so the background noise elimination that all these phones do but the thing
1:05:02is he put the phone like inside inside the top of the Mac Pro right
1:05:07so at that range it is not canceling out the noise of that fan because it is like
1:05:12millimeters from the noisy fan and he listened to the audio after recording it
1:05:19and said you know tomorrow what it sounds like when I'm next thing and it
1:05:24seems super quiet he can't tell how much you gonna be able to hear from far away
1:05:28because from far away you know again that noise cancelling comes in or
1:05:31whatever but were you just take your ear up to the thing that's kind of like my
1:05:35television set where they're the same guy the video is taking it right back on
1:05:38his captors I can you can hear anything but of course you can call you back by
1:05:41the catwalk took the phone all around to the back of the thing and shut that up
1:05:44against the fans you could hear what those fans sound like and the quality of
1:05:48the sound of the fans is kind of what you coming with ok if I can hear it from
1:05:52the capital I'm going to hear a noise like this and it's a higher pitch you
1:05:56know is it even has a ton even as it pushes that one frequency a big mess and
1:06:01this was very like whispery whisper quiet like kind of like the asymmetrical
1:06:08fans on the MacBook Pros when they you know when when they zoom up they sound
1:06:13more kind of like white noise wishing and less like droning or single
1:06:19frequency kind of thing so I added this new Mac Pro will be way way quieter than
1:06:26even my existing micro and macro is very quiet compared to my PowerMac g5 so
1:06:32things are going in the right direction definitely and at this point I totally
1:06:35believe the claim that the thing is as quiet as a Mac Mini but ever had a Mac
1:06:39Mini or new Mac Pro my desk I'll be able to hear it but it's kinda like my TV is
1:06:43it going to be less noisy in my current computer yes it definitely is and so
1:06:47it's an upgrade so yeah that's a lot of people have said that the old Mac Pro
1:06:52was loud and I've never found to be loud I mean maybe like you know so I i've had
1:06:57to have had the 2008 and the 2010 I guess you know about a dozen 12 had
1:07:04those two and I've never liked one of the reasons why I love the Mac Pro so
1:07:09much as every other Mac if you put the CPU Sanders honoree full sustained load
1:07:14is running a hand written code or something like that
1:07:17the families spend up
1:07:18very audibly and its annoying and the Mac Pro even at full CPU load it's
1:07:24either completely the same as the 2008 that you have not used to have that
1:07:31didn't sound any different under full load to me it sounds everyone in gaming
1:07:35because of the stupid the cool the cooler and cooler and the video card has
1:07:39an unpleasant wine when I dig on games as does the 2010 1 actually but defense
1:07:48one of the best things about the new Mac Pro is that there is no GPU fan
1:07:51there's never been a GPU fan that is not a piece of crap I've never ever even
1:07:56heard of one that was not terrible I'm just so excited this 2008 fan is not
1:08:00diet and all the other ones when bad way before the vietnam responded to one of
1:08:04the innovations that Apple talks about it and designing this thing is the
1:08:08realization that there is almost no situation in which all the all the hot
1:08:13part so hot at the same time so it's wasteful that separate coolers on each
1:08:17CPU and GPU because you'll never be in a situation where all CPUs and GPUs are
1:08:23flat out at the same time are very rarely will be and it you know if just
1:08:28one GPU is hot the other one isn't all that noise and energy you're spending
1:08:31trying to cool the parts you don't need it because just wasted it produces extra
1:08:34noise like the total sum total of your noise is never going to be low will be
1:08:38below a certain level 3 fans one for each CPU or GPU whatever so the
1:08:44innovation of the Mac Pro is let's make them one entire cooling zone for all of
1:08:50them one fan for all components had them in the central chimney and then I guess
1:08:54just make sure that that gigantic cooling fan has the capacity to cool
1:08:57their cranked up when they're not cranked up you don't have your your
1:09:02ceiling for noise are your floor for noise is much much lower because you
1:09:07don't have like this minimum amount of noise just keep the fans spinning
1:09:10I wonder I wonder if they would ever considered as part of the thing to do
1:09:14kind of like a stop-start thing cylinder deactivation all the other thing the car
1:09:18engines do we just stopped the fans on the other three fans would have stopped
1:09:23them on the no need to be cool but I imagine that was probably not a good
1:09:26idea with one gigantic van and really expensive ball bearings and I told him
1:09:31that design as someone who's obsessed with noise if you're gonna make a pro
1:09:34computer and try to figure out how to make quiet I think this is a very clever
1:09:37and interesting design oh yeah I mean the end of one of the reasons why I
1:09:41switched it a Mac Pro is because it was driving me crazy whenever I would try to
1:09:46record a podcast that the fan on my MacBook Pro it's been up and I would
1:09:50hear it and like I said to the audio quality I want that I wanna show to
1:09:54sound really good and the fact that was spinning up drove me nuts and the Mac
1:10:00Pro has always this is one of the one of the things that makes it a pro computer
1:10:03it is always handled heavy loads gracefully you know the laptops you can
1:10:09put them under sustained load but you're definitely gonna hear it they're going
1:10:13to be very very hot and you kind of worried like my my short life of
1:10:17something between his mother in laptops are comments by Casey needs to get it
1:10:23because they sound awful they sound like they're in pain like I know this because
1:10:26I have an older generation MacBook Air to my wife uses my son plays minecraft
1:10:31on it all the time and it's not a powerful GPU in Minecraft not a
1:10:34complicated game but he runs minecraft fullscreen 27 inch display on an old
1:10:38MacBook Air and that thing sounds like it's dying for the entire time he's
1:10:41using it sounds like saying terrible really urgent wine of that tiny little
1:10:49fan and this time the case and the the whole thing's getting hot back there and
1:10:52like you put it on my Mac Pro it sounds no different than a dozen it idling in
1:10:56the Finder right as it should because he's playing Minecraft but it's torture
1:11:01to take anything powerful and try to shove it into this little tiny skinny
1:11:05sliver of a case with heat pump attached to it and some weird
1:11:09fans are out sideways and loads of his time event just opposite way to go
1:11:15yeah I mean it's it's handled it so much more gracefully and it also you know the
1:11:20even though that's unlikely to happen at any given moment
1:11:23the the factors like laptops and other consumer level stuff I've had more
1:11:29current laptop to have a Mac Pros and I have used laptops and Mac Pros
1:11:34respectively full-time probably about the same amount in total so I can I can
1:11:40safely say I've experienced but way more kernel panics and instability with
1:11:44laptops that I have with macros and there's lots of reasons for that you
1:11:48know the ions and and the motherboards are all made to higher standard hurt
1:11:51hard times is also used ECC RAM which yet the chances are that your RAM is not
1:11:56going to have an error but when or if it does have an area somewhere you won't
1:12:00notice it but you use computer enough and that might happen a couple times a
1:12:05year and you might notice that is that's another reason to get an iMac I don't
1:12:12feel like I have a database + ECC RAM has one extra layer of protection
1:12:17because I know this is somebody just completed a bingo board there is no
1:12:22safety net at the bottom from the file system so at least I can have a little
1:12:27bit of protection in ramen and hopefully correct some areas there before gets my
1:12:32desk yeah I mean it's got a Mac Pro and either play games low framerate sand and
1:12:38grumble about it when you are very good agreement or just a gaming PC and
1:12:42grumble about that either way grumbling about something hopefully won't be able
1:12:46to frame rates I'm waiting and waiting the results of the tests and you know if
1:12:49anyone wants to send me a Mac Pro is it as a reward for keeping the faith all
1:12:53those years and posting a picture of a matte black sports car saying that I
1:12:57want to look like that the caller ID that I know well you know it also
1:13:05doesn't have any internal drives so you know there's no seats
1:13:12quiet though the casey i would i would do anything in the world to talk about
1:13:21anything but the Mac Pro are you convinced of a desktop all my god I am
1:13:26more convinced than ever that I do not want to stop because I don't want to
1:13:30have to worry about all this bullshit that you guys are worrying about
1:13:33out killing me killing me we talk about something more entertaining please list
1:13:43well there's a lot of things and most of them are boring button shape that sound
1:13:48and now god no please please please now can we can we want about some stuff
1:13:55that's not Mac Pro related so I would either like I I will leave its John I
1:14:03would either like to whine about outlook 2011 or software development
1:14:11methodologies and big business so John take your pick
1:14:14develop methodologies now only got time for that so I use me mark when I have
1:14:20time for that
1:14:21yeah well now because this show that but yes I have to go to 11 and so we know
1:14:27that that's going to be like a whole shows for the stuff even though I have I
1:14:30guess I'm not prepared at all for methodologies but I feel confident that
1:14:33Casey and I alone complain about that for a long time as much as I want to
1:14:38tell you it's very true I put outlook 2011 inherited you have some outlook
1:14:422011 things that you'd like to share
1:14:44taken away so I don't have anything hyper specifics to specific to share
1:14:52however I will say that Outlook 2011 as with all of office 2011 is a steaming
1:14:58pile of horse manure and I cannot fathom having to use Outlook or the rest of
1:15:06office on a Mac full time I do so as little as possible even that is too much
1:15:13because Microsoft does not take office for the Mac seriously none of it seems
1:15:20native none of it makes sense none of it really fits in with anything else on the
1:15:26platform Micro Software Update happens constantly it's obnoxious it gets in the
1:15:31way it makes you stop everything Microsoft software update makes you stop
1:15:37Safari I don't even understand why they're related except maybe Silverlight
1:15:42which is dead
1:15:43yeah it's ok my favorite thing about office little Casey knows us whatever
1:15:51the little yellow thing that comes up in the corner to tell you like you know
1:15:55calendar notifications like you've got this meeting and tenements you know you
1:15:58know that I am talking about crazy now because it probably turned it off
1:16:01because it's terrible I like being reminded when I have a meeting like I'll
1:16:05be there at work and the little yellow thing will pop up and say you got a
1:16:08meeting in 15 minutes and got a little snooze button to dismiss button they
1:16:12stack up inside there is not the interface that I mind it's the thing
1:16:16that runs that little yellow window that pops up is this application that has an
1:16:20alarm clock iconic blue old-fashioned alarm clock with bells on it actually
1:16:23pretty nice icon the thing that drives me nuts about that that particular
1:16:27feature is that on my Mac at home that is not having as the when I wake up from
1:16:33sleep usually in a bit like a while I was sleeping these events happening at
1:16:38once like tell you about the events of the year either mister their upcoming or
1:16:40whatever and so the little alarm clock I will appear in my doc and start bouncing
1:16:46and at one time I tried County the bounces you may not know this but I West
1:16:51End has for many years and continues to have it in their eyes tenor of the app I
1:16:54think it's the OS has a limit on the number of times it was kind of bouncing
1:16:58the dock after a certain point just stops bouncing gives up and I have seen
1:17:03the I can't give up bouncing
1:17:05able to grind away at my crappy spinning disk and just bounce there for every
1:17:09ounce counts but I think Canada 7,500 or something at one point and I stopped
1:17:15counting eventually it will stop bouncing I don't know what it's doing
1:17:18this during this time I think I looked it up and he said you times it seems
1:17:21Miranda Mike might be some database stuff that it's doing in the background
1:17:25or something
1:17:26the result of it bouncing there for like two minutes 30 minutes five minutes god
1:17:31knows how long is to bring up a tiny yellow window that says you two meetings
1:17:36that you mister they're coming for 15 minutes now that that is an
1:17:40inappropriate amount of disk activity and waiting time a little window tells
1:17:45you which means so god knows what it's doing what it's doing something terrible
1:17:48but that's not why but that's the thing that drives me the most
1:17:53Road home at home and see it grind away maybe maybe the blocking on some network
1:17:57cause I don't know what the hell out of my desk I'm surprised that people who
1:18:03don't have as these have not noticed that and followed by two but the reason
1:18:07I put this in here my biggest peeve about outlook 2010 which I use for work
1:18:12because I have to because there are things that Apple Mail has not done
1:18:17successfully with extreme server working maybe the new version of a male does I'm
1:18:21always afraid to go back to talk about flake email programs in my experience
1:18:24has been worse than a better interface better potential features but were three
1:18:29liabilities but with Microsoft stuff but the reason I put in there that late 2010
1:18:33has since it's the dawn of the software and continues to this day after many
1:18:38many updates to have one of probably the most user hostile small feature like
1:18:44it's something like a big deal that shouldn't be bothering deleting your
1:18:47data wherever these values are also like is it your face
1:18:51deleting stuff visit corrupting your data is it crashing those are all user
1:18:56hostile yes but they're so over the top that everyone can agree on this is the
1:19:00type of thing that when I described it is not going to sound like a big deal
1:19:03until you've lived with it for i guess two years now or whenever our 2011 came
1:19:07out on member of came out in 2011 or not
1:19:09selection in validation what I do with my mail boxes lot of time is selected
1:19:16groups of messages that by doing select all by clicking on hold mentioning clean
1:19:20my lower down or by dragging them all the different ways you can select groups
1:19:23of messages I'm gonna do something with them on the market has red dragon ball
1:19:27into another folder on it do something with them
1:19:29multiple selections very often it's like dawn and Mark as Read because I get a
1:19:34lot of email work for me unless they go on to a folder and just wanna mark
1:19:38certain sections of red or whatever
1:19:40selecting any message in the message message Austin outlook 2011 is just
1:19:46merely a suggestion to the program you can you can select them with your mouse
1:19:51immediately your selection has removed you can hit command a to select all
1:19:55immediate your selection is entirely in value money management is removed as you
1:19:58did so command a they are highlighted
1:20:03why does it do that because it hates you with the fiery passion I don't know why
1:20:07sometimes it's like a Smart Folder like a click on my unread smartphone to show
1:20:11me all unread messages when you hit command a evil select all the ones that
1:20:16are currently there but then the smartphone will grind along a little bit
1:20:19are found two new messages that are also on read entire selection and so you have
1:20:24to wait there until the number starts going up all the unread messages not
1:20:27safer Munich command a and you never are you just you think it's done the number
1:20:31goes up to like 27 command a up now actually 32 election invalid command a
1:20:36again you think you're safe you go to command team our call to read up now
1:20:40sorry invalid we found one more message even message was that are not like that
1:20:44are not part of our folders the first time you select one message to message 5
1:20:49messages
1:20:50the first time forget it I just like a trial run it will your selection
1:20:53immediately begun you will never be able to get to come and fast enough for this
1:20:56likely to be highlighted and this is the type of bug when I first thought like oh
1:20:59look silly a 1.0 bugs they're surely they'll get rid of this but years later
1:21:03this is still how this program behaves it does not care that you selected
1:21:07things you want us like things you have to enter in determining battle with the
1:21:10program to get your selection to stay and again it doesn't sound like it's a
1:21:15big deal but I find it incredibly maddening and they spend a lot of my day
1:21:20just going select on sites like tonsillitis operations like tonsillitis
1:21:24like bands like this like this like you I don't understand how this program
1:21:29continues to ship in this forum like happen to people at Microsoft use it how
1:21:33can anybody use it I can tell you right now why do you use it because we have to
1:21:39do for work
1:21:40you think the people at Microsoft after four work if you didn't use it what
1:21:44would you use instead the Gmail web interface
1:21:47no no no because if you had to connect exchange you would use mailed out out
1:21:57nigh referred on my health policy and can I mean I use it like that thing is I
1:22:05don't I liked entourage the purple one that came before the yellow pissy when I
1:22:10like you're the only person I've ever met that actually on trial likely
1:22:15receive email
1:22:16the Clara similar guys left when the original classic macros of Entourage was
1:22:24really awesome program the OS version of Entourage not so great but the thing I
1:22:29like about it I like the integration of my mail application my counter 21 think
1:22:34some people hate that they want to be separate I like me to be combined
1:22:37outlook would not be so terrible that just worked like evident invalidate my
1:22:41selection at things work there is supposed to if the meetings that I
1:22:44accepted in Outlook 2011 state accepted and didn't make clear except there's
1:22:49nothing that does make serious that means hundreds of times that was grabbed
1:22:53by my count was never accepted them except the series except the series next
1:22:56day there on highlighted again as if it didn't accept them like this is all
1:23:02Microsoft from the client to the server and everywhere everything is like modern
1:23:06versions it just doesn't work right there and they're still many things that
1:23:10I have to open my windows 8 p.m. and going to the corner outlook and do
1:23:15things from there because the Mac version can't do them a dozen they are
1:23:18wrong in some strange way the selection validation is that I remember that day I
1:23:24die there once there was a program that would not respect stay that way for
1:23:29years and nobody care and like maybe it's just me maybe some crazy bone in my
1:23:35computer and not a problem in the program its increase extension that I
1:23:38don't even know I'm running an extension at work that I'm aware of I do have some
1:23:43I i cant think of the cause that would cause me to be the only person who are
1:23:48selection in addition maybe people can write to the show and say yes I want
1:23:522011 has been invalidate my selection for three years as well you're not alone
1:23:55if nobody right thing like that then I'll just have to think that there's
1:24:00something crazy going on in my computer but now it's two computers my home and
1:24:03work so the same thing as I'm infecting my home and work computer it's got to be
1:24:07the program's gotta thank you card to sponsor this week
1:24:14after an hour and a half you two talking about the Mac Pro you're not gonna give
1:24:21me more than 15 minutes about stupid Microsoft stuff you have the after show
1:24:27if you want me to say however I will say dear dear friend of the show Merlin Mann
1:24:34has added his commentary which I just put into the chat and I'm very happy
1:24:39that he did I have no idea what it means but candidly I never know what marlin's
1:24:45talking about until 20 minutes after he's finished because I'm not as smart
1:24:48as here's where did you put
1:24:51thanks a lot to her to his punches were be Parker and hover and we will see you
1:24:57next week and now
1:25:28show
1:25:40I G
1:26:15grade they're frustrated entourage really great the OS version was less
1:26:24great outlook 2011 died a terrible death or just work like one of the other if it
1:26:31started working suddenly I'd be like well this program like I might like it
1:26:35again or something but doesn't take much to to just make it into a divisive
1:26:40talker but what reason does Microsoft have to improve it but here's the thing
1:26:45I don't understand how how do something like that even though this is not a big
1:26:49problem it's something that every single person who's this program program has to
1:26:54be experiencing like they might be only when this is happening to my two
1:26:57computers that ever use it on and so if something like that happens if you were
1:27:00developer of this program you're forced to run every day because you write the
1:27:03program like you use it for your email can you work at Microsoft you have a Mac
1:27:07you working in that business
1:27:08you right you are one of the primary authors of Outlook how can you tolerate
1:27:13this but you know it's like when a program that you wrote the you use the
1:27:15bug fixes like that day cuz you know way that you can let that stand you wrote
1:27:19the damn program you know exactly what's going wrong and you go fix it
1:27:22years pass not fixed that presumes a culture of of value and quality over
1:27:30things like ship dates and Microsoft is not known for that Russian to meet ship
1:27:35date and time like a day today it must be annoying these people like casey you
1:27:39use it to you this selection validation thing ever happened to you and I allowed
1:27:44to answer truthfully go ahead I am I'm ready for the truth no never happens huh
1:27:51i frickin hate outlook I really hate outlook the selection of Aladin
1:27:57validation thing never happens to me I should take some movies of it and the
1:28:01most exciting thing about it is the first one the first one ever takes
1:28:05switch over to the program and you go and you'll see a bunch of messages and
1:28:11you just know like I C three messages there and i wanna mark all three as spam
1:28:15or something like that I just know that the first you're gonna click one of its
1:28:21going to highlight the next one is going to remove your entire selection that all
1:28:26actions gonna be wasted you go through the motions
1:28:28anyway and then you do it the second time it takes just becomes a thing that
1:28:33you do first one doesn't count so are we officially in the after show oh yeah why
1:28:41are you making me listen to an hour and a half Mac Pro discussion and I get
1:28:46twelve minutes of listening to John about something that affects me and then
1:28:51you it doesn't affect you it does well in principle it affects me and Marco
1:28:57decide on the King is bored so we're gonna end the show that's pretty much it
1:29:02yeah I'm sewing the people in the chat room pretty much hit on the head with
1:29:06Marco and I for Mac Pro for a long time kind of the genesis of the show was
1:29:11around the time that we got the fake Mac Pro update it's the reason we have the
1:29:14icon at the top of the show now the new Mac profoundly out and we can configure
1:29:18them in Marco bought one show you that's deserving of an entire show was worth of
1:29:22discussion I think that's reasonable I i even cut stuff I could have gone more on
1:29:26the max I could have to you too right now
1:29:31Turbo Boost more I could have gone into the workstation pricing from HP and Dell
1:29:36no want to send Casey a complimentary Mac Pros in stock I will use it as a
1:29:50trash can I looked at the picture that you tweeted at your local level set up
1:29:54Casey three glasses of Lakewood sitting right to left open with a keyboard in
1:30:01front of it now it is directly to the right of my laptop but whatever
1:30:06alright so but the point is if you were to knock those over the spill directly
1:30:09into the keyboard if you're you're right but because and professional I will not
1:30:16but that's something a sober person would say
1:30:22it just seems like it arrangement and you've got to do a minor problem of like
1:30:30you are aligned with the space where there is no monitors your console
1:30:32looking to the right now you are so high I cannot believe that that any piece of
1:30:41electronics actually it's your ridiculous requirements or doesn't he
1:30:46was close but i wanna have a minor in front of me I'm a crazy person you're
1:30:51right actually is one of the reasons why I prefer one giant monitor to two
1:30:57smaller ones because when you have two small ones I was just kind of like sit
1:31:01in front of the left one myself to the left one on the right ones coming out
1:31:05there like a New Jersey later known as soon as someone who has a point forward
1:31:10using two monitors when you guys were probably very to walk the main monitor
1:31:17was in front of me and the auxiliary monitor was off to the side in the clear
1:31:21range of the auxiliary monitor with a black and white nine inch CRT so clearly
1:31:25very auxiliary and the 24 bit color huge 14 inch display with in front of me and
1:31:31so it was clear that's the real maunder seriously this is the most boring ATP
1:31:42ever I think I said 12 words doing that during that entire episode you could
1:31:47have joined in about what your feelings were on the value proposition from 404
1:31:51thoughts about the Mac Pro all comments will next week we'll talk about software
1:31:57methodologies and then they will become you and you can come and take over the
1:32:02Hawks love of Christ I hope so I know you well I'm so angry right now there
1:32:11are so many bees in my bonnet what is the Merlin line something about my but
1:32:18something about my right now but that's right
1:32:24self I don't even know which expression of his you're thinking of and I know all
1:32:30these expressions so I think you may have been your limit may have been over
1:32:37served tonight sir how did we talk so I was still boring as the supposed to be
1:32:46our Christmas special
1:32:54I do like you might need a drink as well that is true I disapprove
1:33:05you might need to spread is no that's another being sponsored by spread over
1:33:10that but you might need a lemon-lime flavored soft drink as well which is not
1:33:18the same he got another compatible headed where you go into restaurants
1:33:24said you can have a coke and pepsi okay and then you have to kill them right
1:33:28Pepsi are trying to be like each other they are direct competitors patti is
1:33:34trying to be like you know like they're trying to make the same products Sierra
1:33:37Mist is about as much the same project spread as root beer is a sample artist
1:33:42right arm is better
1:33:45Sierra Mist is vile don t piss
1:33:48was not as bad as he just like that you've redeemed no I don't think anybody
1:33:58in the world actually like Sierra Mist I thought it was just something they would
1:34:01make people take me in your restaurant he was like you know belongs to whatever
1:34:04branded a Coke and Pepsi or whatever
1:34:07remember what it was like they would force you to take it because you would
1:34:11be like ok you're now a pizza restaurant and we force you to take Sierra Mist
1:34:14that no human would never willingly otter and when I say I missed ok that's
1:34:19worse than if you ask me okay no it's not ok seven-up and spray then ok then I
1:34:26feel like you have a reasonable supposition versus Friday's like Pepsi
1:34:30vs coke like the reasonable substitutions the armistice not a reason
1:34:34ok so your coke but everybody relax Pepsi and Coke however diet coke is
1:34:48light years ahead of Diet Pepsi is not better than coke here in the South what
1:34:53are you talking about
1:35:02even pepsi drinkers don't think that pepsi has been called me to say they
1:35:07like it better but I hate most and yet I can tell you that pepsi sucks compared
1:35:16to coach is there anybody in the chatroom who believes that Pepsi not
1:35:21that you like Pepsi barren ago but he believes that Pepsi is actually better
1:35:24than coke but no one knowing I mean I've never heard of anybody saying that and
1:35:32diet like why bother and I and yes I which which carcinogen do you find
1:35:37distasteful as ridiculous diet sodas there is no nutritional value possible
1:35:45cancer-causing terrible like it is it is the ante it is like what the worst thing
1:35:52I can put it in my body and not die immediately in diastole is seriously
1:35:58like we should be putting up the caffeine like it has nothing then it's
1:36:03just completely devoid of any possible value it is just giving you can see
1:36:07that's all I just like any all the sugar substitutes they all I can taste them
1:36:12all very clearly and they all taste like crap like it like when you ran for like
1:36:18going shopping and trying to read food labels like you have to read any food
1:36:24label as if a lawyer is reading it lately you have to read like a lawyer
1:36:29like when they say like you know this is natural strawberry flavor if I wait a
1:36:35minute you know what what is natural actually mean in the context of food and
1:36:39destroy briefly army contain any strawberries probably not and there's
1:36:43like Italy
1:36:44things like what is the most sinister disgusting explanation that could fit
1:36:50within the freezing they've chosen legally and that's probably what it to
1:36:54me
1:36:55you guys ever done that blind taste of sugar corn syrup like I have I cannot
1:37:13tell I thought I could tell until it to the blind tests and then again no can't
1:37:18and the thing is they don't taste different and I can't tell which is
1:37:22which is exactly the same yeah you know we have learned this episode of ATP I've
1:37:27learned that I'm so god damn thankful that I'm not as picky as you too baby
1:37:32just couldn't tell the difference if I can totally tell them thanks again
1:37:35different that's why some day I should have Marco make me coffee so I can try
1:37:40and get out in front of time that I've done that it doesn't end well I promise
1:37:46I was 10 maybe you know maybe I'm just missing the problem you know I'm very
1:37:51sensitive the bitter taste being super tasty and also I imagined I would hate
1:37:54it as much as I hate all coffee but it would be great if they are the only
1:38:01thing I'm super at so you know I have to cut back on for me or against me as the
1:38:08case may be I know is diet coke sprite and I don't know I don't have that in
1:38:20the house I don't drink it it's terrible it's no surprise when I go out very
1:38:29often their water tastes gross or is it weird and I don't want no alcoholic
1:38:33drinks I go with sprite which is less I don't like it better than coke most of
1:38:39the time