The Accidental Tech Podcast

47: Better Pixels


  it's not as exciting as it sounds because you may be stopped before I [TS]

  explain but now explain you'll see that it's not exciting so I've been looking [TS]

  at getting it different video card for my Mac to search tide me over and [TS]

  looking into getting in as the enduring also thinks says it doesn't look like [TS]

  I'm getting a Mac Pro anytime soon and I'll be able to email me with [TS]

  suggestions for things to get and one personal email me with an offer of an [TS]

  old video card they had out of their 2008 Mac Pro don't remember who is [TS]

  through feedback from some of this person wants me to get out his name so I [TS]

  won't but someone said hey I've got Radeon 4870 sitting in my closet by [TS]

  using do you wanna and I said sure and so they sent along and just arrived [TS]

  today I haven't installed it yet but I was very nice thing to do and it is [TS]

  instead of being a seven year old video card it's like a sixer five year old [TS]

  video card but it's twice as fast as they want to have in there now and it [TS]

  ought it and it's it's an apple supplied card so it's not like a weird / PC card [TS]

  or anything like that so I think it should work and if it works just doubled [TS]

  my video card speed wow very exciting but you know I also have some boring [TS]

  update to mind which nobody will care about basically I change my order I [TS]

  previously said in a show that I wanted the eight-core d700 because what the [TS]

  hell it's not you know the gig was a big jump at 3701 sure that little relatively [TS]

  speaking really isn't I step out of the six core Indy 500 because after [TS]

  evaluating what was going on and the actual price I realize you know I don't [TS]

  really want to have spent twenty $100 total extra just for those two upgrades [TS]

  and that my actual usage of the thing I'm probably not going to see that much [TS]

  of the benefit going from the six core da cor to be worth so much more money if [TS]

  it was only a few more dollars I would have gone for it but 1,500 for that and [TS]

  for 600 for the d700 will probably never used to its full capacity I realized I'd [TS]

  be happier having spent a lot less on the computer and then upgraded in you [TS]

  know two or three years instead of 5 I'll feel less bad about selling a two [TS]

  or three old one that was only you know just under 5,000 instead of one that was [TS]

  just over 7,000 [TS]

  so it's a pretty big price difference I didn't think it was worth the ones for [TS]

  me but when the when the retina displays come out and you ditch this trash can [TS]

  for a nerd trash can do it better if you had the seven hundred and they're so I [TS]

  would it would be more attractive to me to buy your old one off you [TS]

  yeah so I really really blog post about an hour ago mostly so we wouldn't have [TS]

  to go into this into much depth on the show [TS]

  Casey I know it is entirely a favor to KCR this up in a blog post instead [TS]

  basically the gist of it is I think that the way they're going to do right now is [TS]

  not be no two years off doing 5120 by 2880 I think what they're actually going [TS]

  to do is using for K and using software scaling as we actually talked about like [TS]

  two months ago I think that's gonna do I think that's that's probably coming up [TS]

  soon [TS]

  like that that could easily happen this year that mean they can release the [TS]

  display today if they wanted to other manufacturers are very similar displays [TS]

  a very good price point so I think that's how we're gonna do right now and [TS]

  therefore think it will be compatible with the current 400 follow-up time [TS]

  let's do it mean to sound effect for that the promised an effective kind of [TS]

  wish I don't know if we could pull off the cap off gaza cool the weekend [TS]

  business and in fact that there is the son of a Greek toponym couple weeks ago [TS]

  maybe I remember when it was even last week we talked about how I talked about [TS]

  one of my pet peeves about software development and that's having a group of [TS]

  people make a product and then having all those people leave and just having [TS]

  like a skeleton crew there to deal with the product emerging about this in the [TS]

  context of Apple's iLife apps and they're they're iWork apps and all the [TS]

  other apps that have seemed certain languished as years have gone by Marie [TS]

  speculating maybe it's because most of the people who are on that project were [TS]

  taken off to go someplace else and I said you gotta leave the development him [TS]

  on a project once you make a product you can take those people off and one person [TS]

  wrote in to disagree with me that it was a good idea to make people get stuck on [TS]

  a project like that cuz what if they want to go off and do something else [TS]

  they shouldn't have to stay with the price they created its own self-worth [TS]

  and tried to clarify this in the program but apparently wasn't clear enough so I [TS]

  just wanna say it again it's not that the people who make the product to stay [TS]

  with their product is that the company has to dedicate manpower to that product [TS]

  as long as it exists so you can't like a similar level of effort and manpower has [TS]

  to be applied to approximately where all those people do it I don't want to have [TS]

  the full size team under progress just going through minor revisions year after [TS]

  year as any single developer knows even just keeping up with OS revisions is [TS]

  almost as big a job of writing the up in the first place in some ways it's worse [TS]

  in some ways easier but presumably are also going to improve the product as [TS]

  time goes on if you don't put a team similar in size and capability that made [TS]

  the product on the products you know permanently MROs it will slowly get [TS]

  worse in relation to the competition in relation to other applications and that [TS]

  seems to be what's happening with love apples applications just to clarify its [TS]

  not saying that if you're a developer you make an image editing out you're [TS]

  doomed forever in that company to work and image editing out forever you're not [TS]

  but there have you have to leave a team behind more or less and not tiny little [TS]

  maintenance team or a team of like being see players or any other way when you [TS]

  think you gonna save money or time you're doing your company and your [TS]

  customers a disservice it's hard and it's it's also interesting with [TS]

  consulting because in my experience what what happens is company will either not [TS]

  have the manpower or perhaps the expertise to do some sort of project and [TS]

  so in my day job they'll call in some of our people and we don't do staff August [TS]

  by the way of describing we really do is that we get a team of our own people [TS]

  together and we all work on this project for usually few months and then at the [TS]

  end of that project typically what happens is will do a lil have a very [TS]

  small crew that stays behind figuratively speaking in order to do [TS]

  some final maintenance and warranty work [TS]

  but then after that we usually punted back to the client and their internal [TS]

  team in order to maintain and sometimes it goes really well when clients have [TS]

  really good internal teams and kinda know what's up but sometimes that does [TS]

  not go well at all we hear later on through the grapevine that that the [TS]

  crime doesn't have the appropriate expertise even when they think they do [TS]

  and and that create some real problems but they're mean there's not much we can [TS]

  do about that other it cuz it sounds extremist self-serving and it is kind of [TS]

  self-serving for us to say oh well why don't you keep us on retainer for ever [TS]

  and will be around just in case it it's not the way it works in specially when [TS]

  you work for a fairly progressive firm like I do well granted we do the [TS]

  Microsoft stack with some of you probably don't think it is progressive [TS]

  but within our Microsoft world were very progressive in and out of our code a [TS]

  novice or even intermediate level programmer would probably have a hard [TS]

  time digesting and doubly so if there if it's a program that's never seen the [TS]

  code until the time in which we throw it over over the wall and walk away that [TS]

  happens even inside a single company forget about outside consultant or [TS]

  anything very often and maybe even that Apple had enough that you'll have a team [TS]

  that will make a product and it's not like the team that made the progress [TS]

  necessarily more experience the better programmers or anything that any other [TS]

  people but they understand the process understand wanted to sign the way it was [TS]

  designed they understand the design itself and if those people go off [TS]

  without it without transitioning like they are you work on the product and [TS]

  then I can goes into whatever maintenance mode or like into general [TS]

  purpose release where anyone in the company's allowed to address bugs in it [TS]

  or whatever if if it's sort of like okay now anyone know any developer the [TS]

  company could fix a bug those developers don't like likely don't understand the [TS]

  design of application out put together what the invariant is supposed to be in [TS]

  you know you're like well it should be documented in there should be designed [TS]

  documents that should be good comments it should be lol should should should [TS]

  but the reality is you know parameters are not interchangeable parts and [TS]

  there's a core team of people who understand the product unless you [TS]

  transition them away from the project assuming they want to go away from it by [TS]

  socializing the new developers like you know bring the new guy on board teaching [TS]

  how everything works out that person improved documentation so you can't just [TS]

  like throw down into the wild [TS]

  people doing things in the code where it looks perfectly fine and it's simple [TS]

  enough they understand it and it works but they've violated some unspoken [TS]

  invariant that everybody was on the original team understands has to be true [TS]

  but there were no assertion slaughter there was no design document specifying [TS]

  maybe there was that in see it and if the cumulation of those just you know [TS]

  either way the quality of the code makes it more difficult to change down the [TS]

  line is no such thing as like except for like US government software Defense [TS]

  Department's offers these things maintenance mode if you have a product [TS]

  is selling it to customers who need developers will understand it actively [TS]

  working on it plus another follow up item we're talking about it where where [TS]

  computers are going in the future and / I think I was talking about unification [TS]

  the memory and storage hierarchies so the dire que would still be there but [TS]

  from a software perspective everything's address balls an address in memory even [TS]

  if it's backed by you know / or regular on more catches on a chip or register as [TS]

  you know the whole hierarchy bit addressable in the same way sort of you [TS]

  know imagine a few genius hardware and a lot of you heard in with examples [TS]

  systems they do that this time no one last time I brought up a lot of people [TS]

  are talking about memory mapping files and stuff like that of course there are [TS]

  many many examples the computers are all sitting in front of right now and even [TS]

  on our iPods are everywhere listen to this on major versions memory mapping [TS]

  files is the most common example where you too instead of doing I on the file [TS]

  you just pretend hey now the entire conference that files map into memories [TS]

  not really but that's how you address it and when you address those pieces of [TS]

  memory just as ok well I don't actually have that information and stunt dis song [TS]

  and go get it from disk bulletin for you and make it look like it was in the [TS]

  memory all virtual you know virtual memory and works in a similar manner [TS]

  with the memory mapping and we talked about the PlayStation game consoles [TS]

  where they don't have a separate pools of RAM NVRAM of course is the good [TS]

  version of that where it's one big giant pool faster and with the crappy version [TS]

  of that which PCs to do in the bad old days where they didn't want to give you [TS]

  dedicated VRAM they would use your main memory has been around is really bad [TS]

  performance because video memory could be tuned to video test better and you [TS]

  know this on the older computers to read as a member of the car responded to [TS]

  you know I O interfaces read is a member that correspond to the screen so you [TS]

  wrote that reason member you really ready to video memory they would show up [TS]

  on the screen directly and all sorts of other things the big one that most [TS]

  people run about I was the as400 which I'd completely forgotten about insurance [TS]

  to below are completely forgot about in fact they renamed as 400 to high-five [TS]

  system are some ideas changed their names haven't kept up the stuff anyway [TS]

  this is a very old system based on an even older system from the sixties that [TS]

  does what they cost single-level storage exactly what I was talking about just [TS]

  addressing everything as it was a memory address even when it's not about these [TS]

  links miscarriage people I read about it but a lot of technology that he heard [TS]

  this before like in other rooms where things appearance supercars and grow or [TS]

  Mercedes or whatever like any luck breaks and air bags and gradually [TS]

  trickled away down until your Ford Festiva has all the features a decade [TS]

  later the trickle-down happened similarly computers were going from [TS]

  mainframes and supercomputers down to your phone but it happens unevenly and [TS]

  it seems like it sometimes a little bit slower and there are still things that [TS]

  mainframes or whatever you recall mainframes today we are still things [TS]

  those systems can do that our systems can't do and we're still waiting them to [TS]

  trickle-down things like to be able to hotswap CPUs and you know hardware [TS]

  redundancy sort of self-healing type features inside my PC or it's only four [TS]

  things about to run 24 7 lots of excuses why these things having trickle-down it [TS]

  makes sense but I would think that inevitably anything that's a good idea [TS]

  there is eventually gonna find its way down so single-level star i think is a [TS]

  reasonably good idea and will eventually find its way down into your wristwatch [TS]

  pinky ring contact lens computer in the decades to come [TS]

  and the other features like you know hardware redundancy inability heal and [TS]

  stuff I think it's a whole topic around the data maybe I'll throw in there but [TS]

  have some other interesting ideas about the future of computing but I don't [TS]

  think the fall it ends up being pinky rings i think im out by then Prime be [TS]

  safer thinking brings a finger fingers will swell noted stuck on the tube [TS]

  go to the ER to get them cut off goodness we want to talk about [TS]

  PlayStation 4 is now the damn thats 2012 my through and I'm trying not to pay too [TS]

  much attention to see [TS]

  MNCs just so gross I have never been interested in it it's disappointing to [TS]

  me even when I had interests like I would like to see what the new TVs [TS]

  coming out or that such as the worst possible venue I would like to know [TS]

  about new TVs have been redesigned the spectacle CSX noting that in fact that [TS]

  subtract from it was all the companies making announcements that I'm interested [TS]

  it's es made the same insurance but like a YouTube video our press release [TS]

  anything other than a stage presentation at see it seems like CES represents like [TS]

  the worst of the hardware industry like it's it's so much you know tone deafness [TS]

  sexes weird products the worst of the hardware industry is the worst of [TS]

  humanity and the products that are announced there at like 10 people are [TS]

  doing the best of CES the fight that the products are announced they're so rarely [TS]

  make it into production or when they do make it into production day they have a [TS]

  lot of problems that this year's version glossed over it didn't have a lot of [TS]

  limitations or something like that it's basically like it's it's a way for the [TS]

  industry to celebrate itself under the guise of announcing things to the world [TS]

  and showing off what's new but in reality most the thing showing off their [TS]

  either aren't interesting or are interesting but also fantasies that [TS]

  whenever hit the market seems like the press has a real hard time covering see [TS]

  yes and the problem of CES seems to be that no one including the people [TS]

  presenting and the people covering it can differentiate seems to be able to [TS]

  differentiate between the stuff that is obviously ridiculous crap and that in [TS]

  the light of day when you wake up when it's all over your goal wide however [TS]

  ever pay attention to that and things that are you know interesting news and [TS]

  because it all starts to look the same in this big fun house atmosphere whereas [TS]

  if you would just look at the things individually there's no way you would [TS]

  cover that of someone put out a press release on their site and put up with [TS]

  information about some crazy things that no one's ever going to use you would [TS]

  skip it but because it sees yes everything sort of get equal treatment [TS]

  so [TS]

  I like I'm interested in what about the saying it there I'm interested in the [TS]

  new television technology I'm interested in some of the new you know the steam [TS]

  box stuff and the camera tech stuff but all that stuff doesn't need that [TS]

  surrounding dazzle and ridiculousness if you just have interesting products to [TS]

  announce announce them this this is an OCS related and I went overnight danger [TS]

  but there's a story that Sony announced how many places in four states oh and [TS]

  they said it's 4.2 million and Microsoft announce the better week ago that they'd [TS]

  sold three million Xbox console so we talked when places for lunch they sold [TS]

  two million twenty-four hours into the Xbox that similar numbers in my car [TS]

  that's financier lead opposite see if they can sustain that looks like they're [TS]

  both consoles are doing pretty well more or less neck-and-neck PlayStation 4 [TS]

  maybe a little bit ahead but I think I think the PlayStation 4 still supply [TS]

  constrained and it seems like from pictures I see people on Twitter that if [TS]

  you want an Xbox one you could go into a store and see this big stack of green [TS]

  boxes and pick 1 I'm not sure that's entirely true but I know from experience [TS]

  that you cannot destroy into a storm victim ps4 at this point because I [TS]

  looked online and you're not hard but you know I'm just curious like about [TS]

  minister the cells but how does it look and see if that many and they don't and [TS]

  occasional look online and CEO do any of these things have it available for order [TS]

  and they don't so i think it's still harder to place for and PlayStation for [TS]

  selling more so maybe they're probably read to me think but either way both of [TS]

  them doing very very well I would say the discussion console generation is off [TS]

  to a strong start [TS]

  are there any games that people actually want yeah that's the thing I like I [TS]

  don't think there's no there's some good games coming out like I mean he was [TS]

  shown by Microsoft Titan fall and sony has a couple of good titles in the works [TS]

  but there is no big system so against as you know that the typical franchise [TS]

  games that are all the platforms you can also plan it bc but who cares it's not [TS]

  like the other part of these platforms are being propelled by some must have [TS]

  exclusive game like Halo or something people just new consoles now I wonder so [TS]

  in previous launches there's there's usually been you know maybe one system [TS]

  out of the best of the bunch that didn't have any like must have launched has [TS]

  there ever been a generation before this where none of them [TS]

  had any must have games online like a lot of time a lot of times they would [TS]

  launch but with a couple of the GameCube did not have must have games at lunch [TS]

  the Xbox 10 I must have you had hello people to know how it was going to be [TS]

  any good was the first Halo game like I don't think that person making people go [TS]

  out and buy original Xbox because there was a son of an unknown quantity may be [TS]

  a few Mac users who followed by Andrew thought it was awesome everyone else [TS]

  like Halo what I don't know about that I i mean i dont member of the ps2 I guess [TS]

  I read razor something that console settle in and like that the reason I [TS]

  thought these two new consults would do well as i said i think im a preview show [TS]

  that for many people of the of the age to be having enough disposable income to [TS]

  buy their own consoles or to get their parents about this is their first new [TS]

  console generation their whole life they've been using like their [TS]

  PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 then maybe the previous generation from their older [TS]

  siblings or whatever this is the first console generation they're living [TS]

  through after seven or eight long years of using all the past acts so I think [TS]

  the market was ripe for tons and tons of people who want and shiny new thing [TS]

  people who aren't like grizzled veterans of many console generations and it seems [TS]

  like that was the case I have to imagine this must be building a lifelong [TS]

  disappointment and game systems from these people though if the very first [TS]

  awesome thing they're looking forward to this game system the very first new [TS]

  computer comes out for like you know some eight year old and they get it and [TS]

  there's only like four games for it and they're all kind of mediocre like is [TS]

  that it had a great experience that's part of the experience having been [TS]

  through many console generation part of the experience is getting super excited [TS]

  about the console and then even if you're lucky even if you get you like [TS]

  I'm getting intend to 64 is gonna have married it's gonna blow my brains out in [TS]

  the totally does its amazing game everybody loves it and then you play [TS]

  like okay what else can I get like [TS]

  and pilings thing you know and then you're like well I guess it was like [TS]

  we've raised that wasn't bad the lot launch games are usually not the best [TS]

  games like and even if there's one that's really great maybe if you're [TS]

  lucky you get one's really great [TS]

  consoles have life cycles for kids who don't know that they're going to learn [TS]

  the hard lesson the hard lesson of like the software in the modern age of [TS]

  software that comes at lunch they sucks it needs to be patched a million times [TS]

  does not have to be true he wanted his buggy as hell and like just wait like [TS]

  there's a life cycle this is the beginning part as good parts exciting to [TS]

  get a lunch date signed to be the first one to have it and bad cause the games [TS]

  are just like ports or multi-platform titles in the few exclusive you play [TS]

  through are interested in and just wait like it's it's all part of the process I [TS]

  think it's it's making a new generation of gamers and now even have like a lot [TS]

  of hardware problems to him have you been following that depends reno's saga [TS]

  of trying to get an Xbox he's gotten like five of them broken so far [TS]

  think all the companies in the entire world that should be wary of carefully [TS]

  designed hardware Microsoft and he's probably just as I haven't heard any you [TS]

  know he's just getting unlucky but after the red ring of death and billions of [TS]

  dollars in writedowns for hardware replacement and people being on their [TS]

  sixth and seventh Xbox 360 surely Microsoft got it right this time [TS]

  apparently all the funny thing is to apparently the biggest source of their [TS]

  problems is the disk drive with you would think I mean is it that new of a [TS]

  thing like you would think we would know how to make reliable optical disc drives [TS]

  in 2014 every time I think about this I just keep thinking back to the [TS]

  PlayStation 3 I'm like that machine should have fallen apart in people's [TS]

  hands like crazy Cell processor first thing with a blu-ray drive and waiting [TS]

  for the stupid blue blazers and others like I don't understand and then like [TS]

  Playstations and just you know been fine and it doesn't make any sense that [TS]

  Microsoft screwed up with the much more conservative approach to go any more [TS]

  concerned now and then these hard drive problem I don't understand maybe I mean [TS]

  there's something to be said for Sony's decades and decades of experience [TS]

  building to electronics and Microsoft considerably smaller [TS]

  experience the real Xbox one was just a fluke because it was fun at the very [TS]

  first Xbox it was a PC crammed into a small box and it was fine [TS]

  like you know you would think it would have overheated some wonder how to the [TS]

  problem it was fun I never heard of a widespread problem has been so that well [TS]

  either so well I mean this their their Christmas 360 like the reason it shape [TS]

  the way it was a speaker's Xbox is huge lol right and so they made the excessive [TS]

  amounts of all alright well anyway they made that they made the successor it [TS]

  skinny seats practice like an hour less look as skinny it is and maybe you [TS]

  should get a room for cooling and it wasn't even that ski well I know but [TS]

  like you said they were going for like we don't want to make a gigantic by and [TS]

  they should have been an Xbox one is pretty big and so is the place for that [TS]

  matter we'll see I i something dangerous thing to just be you know bad luck will [TS]

  it's not like we start seeing stories into this get the name like red ring of [TS]

  death among know it's an issue do we want to answer the question who needs a [TS]

  Mac Pro in there because you know again with you about what kind of computer on [TS]

  again whether in the buying a Mac Pro lots of people have this is one common [TS]

  strain of feedback or you need a Mac Pro for Marco to what is marketing are you [TS]

  guys don't need this computer and this kind of logic an argument and [TS]

  questioning like what is it that you're doing the Union democrat I was getting [TS]

  from my what it what games are you playing specifically the offensive video [TS]

  card and there's a snarky answer like it was game on Twitter which is four games [TS]

  four games I don't have now that's why you buy that's why one of the reasons I [TS]

  buy a big fancy computer is not for the games that are that are out now before [TS]

  the end of term yet to 34 years from now on to play those to your computer but [TS]

  that's besides the point this line of reasoning of like [TS]

  you need to have a practical reason for this thing that you're getting otherwise [TS]

  you shouldn't get it only seems to apply in certain situations certainly applies [TS]

  in this situation we're talking about big expensive computers but I was trying [TS]

  to think of other situations where people are comfortable with it not apply [TS]

  having trouble coming up with good examples I thought of like if you get a [TS]

  bigger TV occasionally I guess someone might ask what do you need to be that [TS]

  big book for but for the most part people understand you're not getting a [TS]

  big TV because like well i watch golf lot and I was having trouble seeing the [TS]

  ball so I need television so the ball's bigger people kind of intuitively [TS]

  understand that it's more sort of immersive and exciting to look at a [TS]

  bigger screen than a smaller ones when you say you got a bigger TV people don't [TS]

  say why did you get a bigger one why what is it that you like literally [TS]

  asking like is there some kind of program that you watch that was not [TS]

  working correctly with your smaller television and now work with a big one [TS]

  or why do you need granite countertops what was wrong with you do you do [TS]

  something to do certain kind of cooking that only works on granted to you do [TS]

  like pastry dough you need to suck where the heat and like sometimes you just [TS]

  want to have countertops and looked like nice shiny granted I guess the answer [TS]

  and the same thing with the computer I feel like there are reasons why I might [TS]

  want to get it but why not everything has to be a need there's such an idea [TS]

  like a luxury item and you can choose a luxury items are maybe a luxury item is [TS]

  very fancy furniture or a nice how how surgery are really expensive watch or [TS]

  lots of vacations or whatever or maybe a 335 instead of 328 used him but yeah but [TS]

  now it's like a certain things people except as indulgences or as a hobby [TS]

  interest or whatever and the things people don't accept as an intelligence [TS]

  and demand justification you must have an actual need are you running maybe you [TS]

  just want to have a fast computer because you're Intertechnology fast [TS]

  computers are fun to have my I think that's a perfectly valid reason its [TS]

  large part of my reason a large part of marcos reason I don't think anyone [TS]

  should ever get caught in the idea where they have to justify through work [TS]

  related examples like these are related example that will show me the game that [TS]

  needs this video card like [TS]

  that's a ridiculous example if you don't need to play games period if I gave your [TS]

  like all right when I see why you need one walk as I need to play its first [TS]

  person shooter why you play the first person shooter that we accept this fun [TS]

  you're allowed to play a game just because it's fun but you know I have a [TS]

  fast computer just because it's not so the only way you can just buy the [TS]

  computer is to point to the game you're gonna play which I except they are [TS]

  allowed to use yeah I think I think part of it is it's a combination of you that [TS]

  part of part of that like why do you need this is that these are very [TS]

  expensive items and so it's killing it in to say you know like buy expensive [TS]

  cars to say like oh I I got this car that's really really expensive but you [TS]

  can't afford it that's people don't like hearing that it's not a great thing to [TS]

  spread around and you know computerize but not as expensive as cars but they're [TS]

  still very expensive and they're like computer the Mac Pro are unaffordable to [TS]

  many people and so there's that ass but the other aspect is that computers do [TS]

  have this weird blend of some people need for that nobody needs a TV for work [TS]

  except Jay Dr Meyer nobody else needs a TV for work and you know we all use [TS]

  computers for work nowadays that not everybody but everyone everyone talking [TS]

  on the show and probably a lot of listeners we all use computers for work [TS]

  and we also use computers for hotties and for leisure and entertainment and [TS]

  and so it's there are people who do need the Mac Pro for work you know if your [TS]

  professional video editor [TS]

  working with four k content you are probably going to need it you know if [TS]

  you're if you're doing certain other things we need to but it's the number of [TS]

  people who need the Mac Pro or who need like all the way decked out laptop or [TS]

  iMac is a pretty small number really but you're right you know it is just [TS]

  distorted because some people do need them for work but for most of us it's [TS]

  just we want things to be nicer in a little bit faster countertop example to [TS]

  some people need a granite countertops their pastry chefs are like it doesn't [TS]

  take the heat out of the dough is faster than I remember this is a reason why you [TS]

  need an account doesn't bother you could conceivably you could conceivably need [TS]

  one [TS]

  but then most people don't get them for that reason one person point out that [TS]

  like well the difference between not needing to play a game is the game show [TS]

  less expensive than a Mac Pro well super high end games like Crysis 3 the gaming [TS]

  up expensive but the computer that you need to run a decently certainly is but [TS]

  you know prices are relative like this macro may seem like it's super expensive [TS]

  thing right to buy it but compared to the cost of living in a nicer [TS]

  neighborhood going on more vacations are like all the other things that people [TS]

  can spend their money on like to know if we want to live as cheaply as possible [TS]

  we would not have happened things that we have and we will take it get into a [TS]

  career that doesn't involve computers and we all be farmers or something right [TS]

  and you know it's all about like you know how you spend your time like you [TS]

  know for me like I I spend so much time in front of a computer for daily there [TS]

  was a tweet at River go that has gotten the most retweeted never tweeted and [TS]

  it's something on the lines of if you sit on look at or touch something for [TS]

  more than two hours a day [TS]

  spend whatever it takes to get the best and so that includes keyboards mice your [TS]

  chair of yours if you sit at a desk all day you better have a nice share a nice [TS]

  keyboard a nice mouse and a nice monitor you know if the things that you use all [TS]

  time you get nice things it's always good to get a good mattress to sleep on [TS]

  you know that like lots of reasons including comfort but also like to know [TS]

  your back and stuff like that there's no you should you should if you if you have [TS]

  the ability to spend to get a premium version of something the wisest thing to [TS]

  spend that on are the things that will have the most impact to your everyday [TS]

  life generally speaking and so like the difference between a good monitor and a [TS]

  heart monitor each and every single day 4 hours the difference between a good [TS]

  bad and a crappy bad you're gonna be lying if hours a day hope that's gonna [TS]

  catch up with you you know and and to the computer for people like us is one [TS]

  of those things if you actually will even notice the difference [TS]

  ever it's probably worth it like it's probably worth it to get a really nice [TS]

  computer if you do anything at all [TS]

  for any reason my time during the day that might read your computer it's worth [TS]

  it to get the best one that you can get that fits your needs by bringing it by [TS]

  bringing the time spent in front of device metric here trying to drive us [TS]

  back to pragmatism I'm trying to take it away trying to say no [TS]

  justified in a pragmatic rational manner for things like this you know some [TS]

  people in just for some people just want a really fancy table saw more they do [TS]

  with that fancy table saw they make little wooden things that they never [TS]

  skip to anyone don't sell and are useful in any way that's their hobbies what [TS]

  they want to do all you don't need to 10,000 audibles I know he does not need [TS]

  to $10,000 labels off because he's not making money from it in fact it's it's a [TS]

  money sink he just makes little wooden things and put them in his house and [TS]

  make them happy and that's what he wants to spend his money on $10,000 table saw [TS]

  I'm not saying that you should justify what you spend extra money on by by how [TS]

  much will make you money was i'm saying just like by how much you will enjoy it [TS]

  like that example fit my rationale perfectly like if you're going to [TS]

  actually use a table saw more than once a year [TS]

  get a great one you know why not if you can if you have the ability to and that [TS]

  will make you that happy then that's worth it that's worth doing for you you [TS]

  know if you don't care that's fine if you if you can't afford it you know do [TS]

  do your best if you wanna spend the money elsewhere [TS]

  fine like I did I get zero enjoyment out of wearing fancy clothes so every day I [TS]

  where $7 t-shirt and a very worn out pair of jeans I bought from Amazon [TS]

  everything I where I can buy from Amazon when it wears out which I love I worked [TS]

  for years to get to this point it's amazing I hate shopping all that stuff [TS]

  like I Drive a really nice car a computer but I where crap clothes [TS]

  there's a lot of things I don't care about because you know that this is [TS]

  where I spend my time this is where I got my enjoyment so it is a combination [TS]

  of luxury in treating yourself to the things you like and and being you know [TS]

  kind of an analytical about where you spend that extra money to give you the [TS]

  maximum the maximum like fun or happiness benefit ok gigli posted 24 [TS]

  align posts in the chat rooms that means he demands to be hurts all addresses [TS]

  point here [TS]

  the problem is that the Mac Pro for hobbyists who could afford it is that [TS]

  it's still not the premium thing they wanted it's like you wanted the best [TS]

  granite countertops cocom but Apple gave you decent countertops but also to huge [TS]

  bridges you don't have much use for that may be true some people from me [TS]

  specifically it's like Apple gave me the granite countertops I wanted to but they [TS]

  cost 10 times more than I thought they would because underneath number too [TS]

  graphic cards again like there are as i said before there are parts of the Mac [TS]

  Pro that appealed to me way more than any than if I had gotten exactly the [TS]

  computer that I wanted with internal storage everything I like that it's [TS]

  super small I like this only one fan I never dreamed of those things when i was [TS]

  thinkin like oh boy I have revised the Mac Pros you know and it looks and it's [TS]

  something internal storage and has to have card slots maybe you could be [TS]

  smaller nice and get rid of the optical that's what I was envisioning it like a [TS]

  that's exactly the machine to you instead the game is no machine that has [TS]

  things that I didn't even dream I could ask for only one fan as quiet as a Mac [TS]

  Mini you better bet that appeals to me tremendously but it costs so darn much [TS]

  money you know it's getting into like if you can afford to do you want to really [TS]

  fancy computer is just as you like yes but I have a budget too and it costs so [TS]

  much money so that information specifically is the problem and that the [TS]

  railing and all the people are saying what do you need that computer for what [TS]

  do you need a high end GPU for anything like that I'm just saying you don't need [TS]

  to meet you just need to just need to want it and I certainly do want a Mac [TS]

  Pro but you always have to mount what you want with what you can afford and so [TS]

  on and so forth [TS]

  I think the two separate issues I think also and with all due apologies to Casey [TS]

  to talk more than just fuhrman I swear he's already left his loved it I think [TS]

  the new Mac Pro it's kind of like when the when the first MacBook Air came out [TS]

  in that we're looking at a number saying there's no drive bays there is no card [TS]

  slots the Rams healing is actually lower than the previous one and look at all [TS]

  that you say well this isn't really what we wanted and [TS]

  and it's kind of limited everyone said the same things about the first MacBook [TS]

  Air when it came out additional problem that it was incredibly slow won't have [TS]

  that problem now with with the MacBook Air [TS]

  we have eventually like when I first came out we were like you know I still [TS]

  use DVD drives every so often and and maybe I maybe I want that you know that [TS]

  that doesn't happen whatever but over like the next year and a half those [TS]

  things basically vanish and then two years after the first one came out next [TS]

  one came out it was also everybody bought it and it became like the new Mac [TS]

  to have and and i think that the current Mac the new Mac Pro which is humorously [TS]

  called the 2013 money even though nobody actually got in 2013 the new Mac Pro is [TS]

  is it is a similar kind of jump as the first MacBook Air which is it although [TS]

  with a lot fewer downside thank you know my current macro the big cheese grater [TS]

  one it has for internal drive bays the hard drives in you could put two optical [TS]

  drives in it [TS]

  well i I even used but I put a blu-ray burner bottom I use it [TS]

  approximately never I have for internal drive bays one of them useful and I over [TS]

  time finding like oh and the card slots I've never put an expansion card on a [TS]

  Mac Pro I've owned 24 myself one for my wife never put an expansion card and [TS]

  what a lot of people put in the expansion slots are more GPUs and to the [TS]

  new addresses that even so there's there's a lot of Mac Pro users who even [TS]

  having the expandability of the previous generations didn't use it that much [TS]

  actually sending just corrected me apparently my SSD is a pci-express card [TS]

  that I forgot about groups say once I have used one card and that by the way [TS]

  the new Mac Pro has an exact same thing I want arafat has a built-in and it's [TS]

  faster and cheaper so the point is we I had helped expandability but over time [TS]

  I've used less and less and less of it and I think Apple looking at their [TS]

  customers I believe they've found similar things among other Mac Pro [TS]

  Bowler saying things like how yeah it's true that a lot of video editors don't [TS]

  use local storage they will you know they'll use a San or something like that [TS]

  there's [TS]

  the need for the internal bays has shrunk over time and so the compromises [TS]

  the new machine makes the compromise that are about hardware you know there's [TS]

  compromise about pricing and and requiring two GPUs that increase the [TS]

  pricing and that's a separation is perfectly valid but the compromises [TS]

  about internal expandability and space and ports and things I think they're [TS]

  actually doing the right thing I don't think that's going to really be a [TS]

  problem that anyone cares about and six months perhaps not the first like to [TS]

  apologize I was trying to interject and say it was fine for you to continue [TS]

  talking about Mac Pro stuff but I left myself muted like a moron will you [TS]

  because you didn't object I just kept going well I notice and that's why it's [TS]

  not a problem but I would really really love free to tell me about something [TS]

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  you this is not a loaded question did you have anything more on the Mac Pro [TS]

  cause I sorta kinda cut you off there [TS]

  me I actually I think for now I'm done I'm sure about next episode with more [TS]

  maybe even ten minutes I think for now I'm done [TS]

  John anything about the macro specifically [TS]

  ok tell me about Panasonic LCD TVs if you don't mind her back the CES in there [TS]

  because this is a story that I saw in the CBS news and you know I was [TS]

  interested but with TV tech and particularly with Panasonic was going to [TS]

  do we all new Panasonic was leaving the plaza business and of course they're [TS]

  going to make LCD TVs and they have and the most interesting thing about this i [TS]

  think is of course they're touting for caverns time before k last year they [TS]

  were doing [TS]

  never missed a day forecast well but it was interesting to me to see how they're [TS]

  going to pitch these new televisions in the way they pitched it they they kind [TS]

  of did little bit of marketing judo on the one hand you could say well they [TS]

  went right up and like they you know they had read to their opponent's [TS]

  forehand why they play they knew that everyone was going to say these TVs are [TS]

  as good as your old TVs so they dress that immediately by their marketing [TS]

  message was we're making for k LCD televisions LCD with LED backlight crap [TS]

  I hate that so much I know it's shorthand but anyway and what we're [TS]

  going to say about that is there you know they're as good as or better than [TS]

  our plasma TVs but they said it in the kind of marketing weasel word he says [TS]

  he's already way they said basically the color chart saying they the color [TS]

  reproduction is better than even our best previous plasma CT 69 about that is [TS]

  that color reproduction 44 televisions for like classes and everything like [TS]

  plasma panasonic has been saying for years can already show color is outside [TS]

  the range that you're sporting code supposed to show and reproducing likely [TS]

  raising television signals like the color ranges in the content is not as [TS]

  wide as the can be displayed LED TVs in fact most TVs have a setting that lets [TS]

  you say do you want me to show the cars as intended by the author according to [TS]

  this narrow range of colors of the expected to be able to reproduce on [TS]

  output or do you want me to use the entire color range of the setting just [TS]

  going to kind of senior the source comes across that [TS]

  and you can choose whichever you want you want to accuracy or sort of like a [TS]

  watercolor band so the fact that there are LCD television has it ever so [TS]

  slightly even wider range of colors in the closet really make that much of a [TS]

  difference with current content may be to make a difference down the line with [TS]

  different content but for now it doesn't really make that much and they didn't as [TS]

  far as I know say anything about black levels and motion interpolation all the [TS]

  other areas where we know CDs have problems compared to class so kind of [TS]

  disappointed that they pulled that but it seems to work than ever on because I [TS]

  wanted to parenting line is this Panasonic says they're as good as or [TS]

  better better than their previous plasma and in some respects I'm sure they are [TS]

  as good in some respects they're probably better they probably use [TS]

  wireless power other than his own so forth but in some respects I fully [TS]

  expect that they are were so I guess the jury's still out until you know [TS]

  independent third-party get their hands on these TV star testing them and they [TS]

  can and we'll see but this is not the first time this has happened way back in [TS]

  the day pioneer used to make plasmas and they made that line of classes that was [TS]

  widely acknowledged to be the best TV you buy for any price that wasn't a [TS]

  projection TV and it was the Panasonic the past like the Pioneer Kuro he'll eat [TS]

  line of televisions and then pioneer stop making plans with them for many [TS]

  many years after that every new television manufacturer that was [TS]

  reviewed they would say all this is a great new TV to this mean you can buy [TS]

  right now but it's still not as good as the courier will eat and then what [TS]

  happened year after year and that's kind of very strange technology where it [TS]

  would be like if the new Mac Pro came out and said well does not produce great [TS]

  but it's not as good as the next four years ago but never happens like it's [TS]

  that doesn't happen the computers and televisions also very strange so for a [TS]

  long long time the girl he was the king and it could be for a long time that the [TS]

  Panasonic classes but I suspect that the fork a dif will will be a factor here [TS]

  and say well you know all those classes weren't for queso cares about them and [TS]

  all the matters for so serious question do you suspect that the you will regret [TS]

  I think that's too strong that you'll regret the purchase of your TV from just [TS]

  a month or so ago [TS]

  sooner because some newer better TV will come out or because there will be [TS]

  proliferation of four K TV shows and movies does actually making a fork a [TS]

  display worth it how do you avoid that question that they can get their [TS]

  attention but how do you guys feel about four k well it's one of those things [TS]

  it's it's a lot like Super Audio CD and DVD Audio which is you know and I i dont [TS]

  mean two free tickets sales i think i do I don't need to be diplomatic you know [TS]

  when you look at and variously consumer electronics TV formats over time the [TS]

  audio recorders is a great way to look at this hour plus video as well every [TS]

  time there's been a major quality increased that has been successful in [TS]

  the market it is also come with other benefits besides the quality that have [TS]

  made people want to buy it so when going from cassettes to CDs there was a major [TS]

  increase in so many other factors besides the audio quality was more [TS]

  communion it was more reliable it was faster to seek around the rewinding [TS]

  similar thing going from VHS to DVD you know there's it's everything is faster [TS]

  easier better more versatile you can put it more places computers can read it you [TS]

  can play in the car all the time [TS]

  all that stuff and so then you look at it then going from DVD to Blu ray and [TS]

  DVD to Blu ray was a little much slower transition I would still say it's not [TS]

  really complete its because the only difference between DVD and blu-ray is [TS]

  clear is better quality and is more annoying and all of the ways the DVDs [TS]

  are annoying blu-ray for worse that's the only major difference there's no [TS]

  like they are all the sudden more versatile easier to use or available in [TS]

  more places are cheap or smaller anything like that so looking at all [TS]

  that look at TVs when when we moved from SSD HDD we also are moving to you know [TS]

  from CRTC giant heavy horrible things to nice than LCDs and plasmas they were [TS]

  much bigger much thinner much lighter much cooler looking and and much better [TS]

  looking so there were a lot of other reasons for people to move from STD [TS]

  widescreen aspect ratio was another big factor exactly so there's all these [TS]

  other factors that went along with it that made of success in the market and [TS]

  meet people want to have it besides just picture quality in fact as most people [TS]

  know almost everyone who cares about TV picture quality has probably gone to a [TS]

  relative to parents house and seeing that they are running their cable box or [TS]

  something into the TV that supports high def but they haven't hooked up with the [TS]

  wrong cables using the wrong and put her on settings and they're not they're not [TS]

  even watching a TV content and they don't care and it drives me nuts so [TS]

  obviously liked the picture quality alone is not enough to drive major [TS]

  adoption very quickly if anything same thing so in the audio world when SACD [TS]

  and dvd-audio came out they both flopped first of August the format war but [TS]

  mostly because nobody cared that much it was it was the exact same as CDs but [TS]

  less things are supported yet to get you to get new players you couldn't do in [TS]

  your computer your car and things so it flopped porque is credibility with with [TS]

  newer types TV sets at [TS]

  that's less of a problem but you looking for cancer as well we already have HTTP [TS]

  it's very mature by now we have great with tons of great HTC source material [TS]

  and source devices tons of hte broadcast cable and everything is Xtina basically [TS]

  which was not the case even like five years ago [TS]

  very good XP support and in the industry and the move 24 K what is it really [TS]

  gonna brings you know it's it's gonna bring a new type of disc format probably [TS]

  I don't think we can do it right so probably a new kind of format new kinds [TS]

  of TV's new new disc players were still using this god I hope not but we [TS]

  probably still well for a little while much larger file sizes for internet [TS]

  streaming media a whole other round of everybody cable companies TV companies [TS]

  everybody a being able to screw everything up again so it's a big [TS]

  disruptions to make everything that was maturity to become immature again why go [TS]

  through all that and the reason is an increase in picture quality that you [TS]

  probably won't notice ever but the people who do not [TS]

  it won't notice it on my Canadian Stevie I mean that's how how compelling is that [TS]

  really and I think it's gonna take off [TS]

  similarly to blu-ray in that it will it will be the high end so people will buy [TS]

  it but it's not gonna be explosively growing very quickly the way DVDs and [TS]

  CDs did because most people it doesn't bring any noticeable benefit except [TS]

  saying you have the high ending the audio CDs and blu-ray and stuff had two [TS]

  things going against them for Caylee's doesn't have and the both of those were [TS]

  physical media being introduced to right around the time when physical media was [TS]

  going away for their respective mediums like dvd-audio Super Audio CD yesterday [TS]

  all they said the other format war stupid nobody care but also mp3's came [TS]

  along and so they were just like that and blu-ray it's amazing that has been [TS]

  as successful as it has been but it came out around the time that streaming video [TS]

  became a thing and now only crazy people by the reason everyone else just you [TS]

  know streams that if they can't write so those were all like media distribution [TS]

  format they were coming up against a hey we don't need physical media anymore [TS]

  television's luckily have the advantage of there is no downloadable TV you need [TS]

  to have an actual TV said you can't make a TV set appear in your house over a [TS]

  wire so that it still has a place in the ecosystem it's not being wiped out by [TS]

  like I mean I guess it would be like head-mounted display is there something [TS]

  or something else that's not wiping enough people want still want to look at [TS]

  the screen so bad that going for road before Kate thing sometimes I think it's [TS]

  kinda like right now where it's like yeah nobody will care and only nerds [TS]

  will be able to tell but will happen anyway just because it's cheap enough to [TS]

  double the resolution of LCDs at that size that could happen I I can totally [TS]

  envision a world where every TV you by its four ka and almost all content is [TS]

  still 1080p you know because the content everything else didn't catch up with it [TS]

  but mostly want to think about for k is that kind of like super IRA CD and DVD [TS]

  Audio they enhance the wrong thing they enhance the thing that the fewest number [TS]

  of people are able to detect as even being different let along better because [TS]

  you play an audio CD for someone and play a DVD Audio superheated not [TS]

  can't tell even audio files before depends on the mastering it depends on [TS]

  everything else and all those excuses you're gonna make for not being able to [TS]

  tell between a CD in Super Audio CD all the same excuses apply to television [TS]

  well it depends on other content has mastered well depends announced tribute [TS]

  well depends on the authorship yes that's true of video as well and that's [TS]

  like doubling the resolution may not be better in a way that people can tell now [TS]

  has a double saving graces concentrates on the resolution but they're also has [TS]

  support for different frame rates and that I think people probably could [TS]

  notice it based on people's impression of seeing The Hobbit 48 frames per [TS]

  second and how they said I look crazy at least you'll notice that these people [TS]

  could tell they just 48 per second I can tell it's different you know someone [TS]

  points out sports 820 frames per second [TS]

  those who think that maybe people will be able to tell and that may be able to [TS]

  drag along the content producers to say who is motivated to make porque content [TS]

  well maybe the NFL isn't motivated to make porque content and the NFL's [TS]

  motivated content and people by the TVs and like that will kind of go on [TS]

  together it may just be kind of inevitable thing but the other people [TS]

  making eyes at CES this year were trying to say hey we're over here and we're [TS]

  trying to improve the other stuff that needs to be improved about TV like i [TS]

  just mentioned the color gamut like what what is the maximum dynamic range from [TS]

  the brightest and darkest spot on television set [TS]

  what is one of the range of colors that you can display all those things are [TS]

  areas that desperately need to be improved in television but it you know [TS]

  television color standards even tht standards are way behind what what the [TS]

  current technology can display and those people will notice way more than forked [TS]

  you should someone that Dolby demo with like that you know the the huge dynamic [TS]

  range and everything and then showed somebody for KTV everyone else he'll do [TS]

  everything is different even though even if you are running a 1080p and if you [TS]

  just go for k vs 94 K from certain distance you can tell you that [TS]

  resolution is the only thing that that's not gonna see you so I think this is [TS]

  interesting but I really wish kinda like the the cameras with the megapixel Waris [TS]

  I really wish that the side that was going for not more pickles but better [TS]

  pixels basically was a little bit stronger in the spy but it seems to me [TS]

  that for k will probably happen [TS]

  kind of inevitably but not nearly enough time for me to regret my pleasant [TS]

  purchase to finally answer cases question because I'm gonna be enjoying [TS]

  1080p content with fewer of the compromises that bother me about LCDs [TS]

  for many years to come [TS]

  the only thing we could possibly annoy me i think is that game console start [TS]

  putting out for K and and it's noticeable for like framerate reasons if [TS]

  that happens maybe are regarded in a couple years but I really I would feel [TS]

  much much worse if I have my old TV which was not nearly as good quality as [TS]

  any plasmon the past couple of years I would really go to keeping that and [TS]

  knowing now I'm stuck now if this TV breaks or if I just get sick of looking [TS]

  at bed black levels I will never have I just nothing out there for me to buy it [TS]

  as I sit here and wait now at least I know I'm set as long as it keeps working [TS]

  for many many years and I consider do what I like to do which is but my time [TS]

  and look for that one perfect time to buy the news that's where I think you [TS]

  have a long long time before any for KTV is is so good so compelling and so [TS]

  supported by the surrounding ecosystem that would be really compelling to [TS]

  upgrade I i mean you know HDTV came out when Lee 2001 or something it's pretty [TS]

  old but didn't get them that year five years later or more and it was it was a [TS]

  few years after that before they were actually very good and I think we're [TS]

  going to see a lot of the same things I mean granted that was also again that [TS]

  was good that was changing overwrought of legacy old stuff making LCD is get [TS]

  better get better [TS]

  moderate amounts of the signals digitizing lots of stuff so there was [TS]

  more to do during that transition AC content is terrible though like the [TS]

  compression artifacts like your cable provider Netflix streaming like they [TS]

  can't even they pick any input signal doesn't look like crap on 1080 sometimes [TS]

  and I they're sending us an uneven sending full 1080p so it's gonna be a [TS]

  long time for the you know sort of non if you don't have a good reason if you [TS]

  don't like the Discovery Channel the NFL or something you have some compelling [TS]

  reason to go to forecast high frame rate as soon as you possibly can [TS]

  we're still in for a long long run [TS]

  road of supposedly for k content supposedly ahd content that technically [TS]

  the Phils the requirements but mostly is gross well a couple things considered [TS]

  firstly the NFL already films and fork at least he was Fox does somebody have [TS]

  made him a pen and gadget I don't recall who it was but they they had talked to [TS]

  and I believe it was Fox about how they were going to film the Patriots game and [TS]

  one of the things they said was we actually fill in for k so that when you [TS]

  zoom in [TS]

  sleep for one of the challenges of words whatever was so when you zoom on a [TS]

  instant replay get a full 1080 image out of the source which was for cash and so [TS]

  to some degree this is already happening even though it's not making it all the [TS]

  way to the consumer and the other thing I wanted to point out was part of the [TS]

  reason that Aaron and I didn't upgrade to an HDTV set up initially was because [TS]

  not only did we need a new TV but we also needed a different cable box and to [TS]

  get the different cable box we needed to pay at the time Comcast more money and I [TS]

  can't speak for everyone else but I know not a similar to the retina discussion [TS]

  we had last week I didn't really at the time know what I was missing and so I [TS]

  didn't really see an urgent need to upgrade and Aaron doesn't really care [TS]

  for 99% of all TV and so she didn't see it terribly strong reason to upgrade and [TS]

  so we didn't have we had an HDTV in 2007 and I don't think we actually had ADHD [TS]

  pumping into the house and so we moved here later and we're getting files [TS]

  anyway so I can't speak for everyone but but that makes a little different it [TS]

  would mean another thing that made me think of was well wonder if adoption of [TS]

  LTE bands would have been a lot slower if it costs more money from the carriers [TS]

  to do to get LTE service not only speak for AT&T but on AT&T there's no [TS]

  difference in price and I believe it's the same for Verizon I am Not sure that [TS]

  same for tmobile and nobody's a sprint so [TS]

  I'm not saying there's an answer and it's it's a rhetorical question but I [TS]

  wonder if LTE adoption would have been slower if it was more expensive I think [TS]

  in the way most people go to new technologies is when they have to buy a [TS]

  new one anyway they get a decent one at the time and so with phones we move very [TS]

  quickly because so many people are on subsidized phone plans where you're [TS]

  pretty much encouraged to get a new phone every every one to three years so [TS]

  that's why the phone market moves so quickly [TS]

  TV's move very slowly and you said like the cable box thing a lot of people [TS]

  don't pay for their cable box but you know you have to go through the hassle [TS]

  for an upgrade like bring it to some place in the next to the UPS Depot or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  times but you know even if you have to pay for your only use it as a premium if [TS]

  you have well if Tebow is still alive and you have a TiVo to pay extra for the [TS]

  new HDR for k1 and then Johnson complain about that for the next ten years gonna [TS]

  suck you think that a lot of HP menus everywhere [TS]

  1080p exactly I would be glad if we ever get to that point it seems like this [TS]

  that may never even happened [TS]

  yeah but like you know that the rate at which people normally upgrade TV [TS]

  equipment is pretty slow because TVs are large and they they used to be pretty [TS]

  expensive but getting pretty cheap now but they're still at these these large [TS]

  kind of fixtures like furniture pieces that you tend like no one gets a new TV [TS]

  every year to John I waited for years give me a break for years I with the TV [TS]

  menu by the way they're not even 1080p and 720p but you know well and by the [TS]

  way lots of TVs are still sold at 720p I don't think that they still make 720 I [TS]

  think every TV stand me know when last year when I when I bought that LCD that [TS]

  small 37 inch LCD for the back room I had to look pretty hard to get a 1080p [TS]

  won so many of them are 720p [TS]

  research that I think they're almost all I'm not sure you can still find a 720 [TS]

  especially if you are going to the no name brands but I think any means [TS]

  and probably has 0 720p television sets now I don't think that's the case I [TS]

  don't think that's Kirron once you go to the smaller size like in the 38th [TS]

  exactly you go to the thirties and you go to go to those all CDs in the [TS]

  thirties and there's a lot of 720p 30 inch TV of the size of your monitor [TS]

  well I actually had to fit this in a head to fit into one area within an [TS]

  existing built-in book show and so I had had a size cap so the 37 inch Panasonic [TS]

  was like the the biggest that would fit into this little spot resist the Batcave [TS]

  you can say is wow [TS]

  know it's true though i think i sat on a previous show our biggest TV in the [TS]

  house is 40 inches and there is no part of me that wants a bigger one and that [TS]

  one is 1080 but the one we have in the in our bedroom and the only reason it's [TS]

  in our bedroom is because we got the the the 40 in church her place at that one's [TS]

  32 inches and granted it's a bit older but it's 720 only and I have no desire [TS]

  to upgraded to a 1080 TV now granted I'm either very weird or very normal [TS]

  depending on how you look at it but as soon as you go to lower sizes I think [TS]

  Marquez dead on the it's it's a little bit challenging finance led tv [TS]

  I don't want to look at small television I was I was disappointed that I couldn't [TS]

  find a plasma that was smoke because of the plasma speaking of sizes to tell you [TS]

  these this Panasonic LCDs into the news the smallest size it comes in is now 58 [TS]

  were surprised that the small size my TV came as for the five now the small sizes [TS]

  58 but they soon the small size 800 inches [TS]

  yeah and and and the problem is I call these like really nice ones like the V [TS]

  t60 [TS]

  they only come a larger size and that those keep going up so late like one of [TS]

  my TV like I have a really nice TV for when I bought it when it dies I'm gonna [TS]

  have to either get a giant wall of TV which I don't want to look stiff would [TS]

  kill me if I got what it would look also or get a crappy one I think they have to [TS]

  be part of it is it's more expensive to mix with with the plans this in [TS]

  particular like the reason you can make a fork a plasma is because then the [TS]

  little tiny bits where the little you know particles are amid [TS]

  didn't hit against the phosphorescent materials will have to be super duper [TS]

  small and that's like a technical limitations probably could have done [TS]

  that they want to invest tons and tons more money but they didn't say but yeah [TS]

  as you can as a resolution goes up it's actually cheaper to make it that's why I [TS]

  like 28 inch Dell for K [TS]

  monitor the people want to talk about it's actually cheaper to make a high [TS]

  resolution monitor bigwigs are you not to make the pixel so darn small and its [TS]

  manufacturing all that stuff so I think I'm hoping that will take care of itself [TS]

  but yeah when I'm shopping for television and movies shopping at the [TS]

  high end and they're all big and they're all 1080 I guess way to as you get [TS]

  smaller I am in a certain point you get a certain size you you know it becomes [TS]

  like you can't see you can tell there 720 and 1080 and as I'm surprised no one [TS]

  has said that Jeremy or maybe I missed it I think if you do the math 720p has [TS]

  more pixels per second in 2005 but with all the processing that goes on in most [TS]

  most broadcast television still 1080 P [TS]

  came out of a case said about the source material like NFL games in four ka mean [TS]

  the same thing but the movies with the digital cameras like and you know it was [TS]

  that even for TV they would record TV on video too much higher quality than you [TS]

  ever be able to broadcast that's you know that's par for the course of the [TS]

  people out there [TS]

  testing out the new format everything by the time for Cape makes its way down and [TS]

  there's some story on the music is still exists that says 0024 ok transition is [TS]

  coming [TS]

  cable companies are turning off their old age D signaling that you can only [TS]

  get four member that you know the whole transition from analog and all that [TS]

  stuff like when we see that story and ten twenty years by that point everyone [TS]

  but recording everything like a que hora bellman extender is so the content [TS]

  producers are always help someone did the Madden said 1080 I had slightly more [TS]

  pixels per second so I just I hope that somebody please tell me I hope this is [TS]

  the case in the entire fork a standard is there any allowance and you wear for [TS]

  interlaced anything cuz I hate interlacing so much in so many ways it [TS]

  all the artifacts make sure horrible when UD interlaced progressive I hate [TS]

  getting in at least DVDs and the moment when I ripped them they look bad [TS]

  and and interlaced he got in releasing is the devil and the deep in the chat [TS]

  says nope it is not in the spec I really hope that is true [TS]

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  Verizon and scrape your staff's off didn't tell you here's what you do over [TS]

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  helpful chat room is put in a link to an article showing the car spaces that rec [TS]

  709 just the current HP color space and most TVs already go bigger than that and [TS]

  they were showing how that's TV goes even bigger but there's also wreak 2020 [TS]

  which is part of the four k UHD standard which is way bigger as much harder it's [TS]

  not as big as like the you know the dynamic range of brightness that dolby [TS]

  was showing off their crazy experimental water-cooled thing or whatever but show [TS]

  that this was getting at before the 24 K brings more than just resolution for [TS]

  Marco you know progressive scan mode only and and for me and a lot of the [TS]

  people much higher framerates [TS]

  rectangular pixel I have no idea if it for case though rectangular pixels or [TS]

  has rectangular pixels it'll be there did too because my my old HDTV that was [TS]

  a 4-3 CRT you didn't know existed but did exist that was possible because of [TS]

  all these weird noises in the eighties back to his old stuff but for case is I [TS]

  at least I hope it is taken that opportunity of dropping tons of legacy [TS]

  crap like that and just going for now and future looking good technology [TS]

  that's relatively simple and as for the 720p vs 1080p I again it depends on the [TS]

  frame rate if you to 720p at 60 frames were standing at 8:30 you cannot do the [TS]

  math yourself but as someone pointed out and chat room in the back to find where [TS]

  it is but 720p I'm gonna get it right so I don't want to he was saying that 720p [TS]

  has more temporal resolution as an emotion over time because it's not [TS]

  interested obviously in 10 a TI has more spatial resolution so it depends on what [TS]

  you want but that whole distinction with the InP and stuff you'll hopefully be [TS]

  a relic of history me this is kind of one of the reasons in favor of for cake [TS]

  you know and you know in case conner is a lot of the legacy crap left over from [TS]

  the bad old 98 she did they still infects the HTC standards yes detects I [TS]

  know I just couldn't find your line I couldn't find it was gonna read it [TS]

  anyway making making for k like what makes porque inevitable is that it [TS]

  actually does get rid of a lot of the annoying crap and a lot of the details [TS]

  that people do need to care about the didn't care about interlaced vs [TS]

  progressive they don't you know they don't care about all these details of [TS]

  color spaces and stuff that they can make it so that it looks better to [TS]

  people and so they have a reason to view it like if you go over your friends [TS]

  house and you watch NFL and forecast higher frame rate and you notice that's [TS]

  different you're going to want that because now this content that you're [TS]

  interested in and if panel makers you know for cages becomes well like it's [TS]

  actually cheaper now to make us for Cape house and all the factories ramped up on [TS]

  her ever it may be inevitable but I still think it'll take a long time [TS]

  before cable companies start broadcasting porque for anything except [TS]

  for a few special you know like content is still going to be 1080 I know that [TS]

  the cheap shows for a long long long time and even in the forecast channels [TS]

  of the first person says everyone every piece for broadcasters porque some of [TS]

  those channels look awful because they're like some of the channels look [TS]

  awful today at NAB I because they're just super over compressed in gross [TS]

  talked about a lot of feedback fly through regarding steam boxes and when [TS]

  John was lamenting having to buy a PC just four games I saw a few people say [TS]

  well why not get a steam box so john why not [TS]

  well first so let's just assume that somebody not me but that but that that a [TS]

  friend of mine has no clue esteem boxes and has been following this could you [TS]

  maybe explain what it is first I could but I'll do a terrible job of it because [TS]

  I don't really believe in games [TS]

  John you believe in them or not by explaining steam box it's hard to [TS]

  explain without revealing my views on it but anyway now that was a company that [TS]

  start off making [TS]

  aims and like many other good companies they realize that there's more to their [TS]

  the market they were in the just making games they also made a digital [TS]

  distribution platform which sounds like outside of their core competency hey you [TS]

  just make great games will be making digital distribution platform for what [TS]

  they are making it because that's the future of gaming and they saw before [TS]

  everyone else they spent a long time working on their their digital [TS]

  distribution thing called stand which if you're not familiar with this type of [TS]

  thing it's it's like the App Store for games you don't have to go to the store [TS]

  and buy disc you just log onto something and downloaded in the game goes right on [TS]

  your computer [TS]

  team is available for the Mac leave notes are on the PC and it's a great way [TS]

  to buy games from the same reasons that the app stores are great way for [TS]

  consumers to buy apps because he wants to the store and get a stupid desk stand [TS]

  boxes valves next step in this process which is why don't we make hardware as [TS]

  well because not everyone has or wants to make a PC that can play games we will [TS]

  I guess they're setting some kind of standard or whatever you want to make a [TS]

  steam box it's basically like a little PC that comes pre-configured to connect [TS]

  to steam and it comes a little control if you want or you can use like an Xbox [TS]

  360 controller or whatever and it's sort of a turnkey way for you to get a gaming [TS]

  PC to play games from Steam and people are suggesting steam box to me I'm not [TS]

  quite sure where they were suggesting it or they were just asked me what I [TS]

  thought of it but I think a lot of the coverage pinpoints the reasons to be [TS]

  skeptical about it skeptical about it although those reasons may not end up [TS]

  mattering in the end the reasons I'm not all that interested in a steam boxes [TS]

  because as many of the stories have said it does less than a PC for a similar [TS]

  price I mean it's just a PC like it's got its PC hardware PC video cards and a [TS]

  PC box like that's all it is is just sort of pre-configured and certified to [TS]

  work in this thing and they vary wildly get super cheap ones that are like a [TS]

  super cheap PC unit super expensive ones that are like a super expensive PC and I [TS]

  imagine as many people now the most useful thing you can do it this is a [TS]

  reboot into Windows because the steam box runs Linux by the way which keeps [TS]

  rebooting into Windows then you have a gaming PC one just by gaming PC gaming [TS]

  PC buying well-known nerds don't want to buy a magazine don't know anything about [TS]

  them so [TS]

  this feature that people think it's silly so what it comes pre-configured to [TS]

  connect to steam and runs free OS and Windows who cares [TS]

  like I don't care about that I know how to install software I know how to do [TS]

  this like just the mere fact that you can buy something called the steam box [TS]

  and had some sort of guarantees about the experience I guarantees like this [TS]

  they do very well but if valve can manage the expectations but you know I [TS]

  don't want to get into PC gaming but my friend got a steam box and seems to be [TS]

  fewer problems I'll get one of those is kind of like I don't know anything about [TS]

  digital music but my friend got one of those iPod things and he's able to [TS]

  listen to music digitally so I'm gonna try that there is an ominous a team has [TS]

  steam box has no chance they're trying to thread a pretty narrow thread the [TS]

  needle here between the world of game consoles which is you know fixed [TS]

  hardware doesn't change over time he's even develop against because developers [TS]

  know what everybody has plus or minus a couple of accessories and on the other [TS]

  side of the spectrum full-fledged game PCs they're thinking there's something [TS]

  in the middle there where we can get you something is better than a console [TS]

  because you can spend more money and get a faster experience and upgraded [TS]

  overtime in part or in whole and you know have access to all these games we [TS]

  have available on Steam but it's not as complicated as again BC I'm not sure if [TS]

  there is that little narrow valley between those two things is going to [TS]

  work for them but it could very well be that the people who make gaming PCs will [TS]

  slowly become smaller and smaller smaller answered window and I doubt it [TS]

  will turn out that most of the people playing PC games actually weren't [TS]

  interested in building a gaming PCs actually weren't interested in [TS]

  maintaining gaming PCs and this could really be a sort of a back-door way to [TS]

  remake the PC industry for people who play games anyway to be more like you [TS]

  know the iOS device industry where people aren't interested in taking them [TS]

  they just want to get them down from them and use them so I'm not quite sure [TS]

  how this is going to turn out but for me as someone to you know not that I'd be [TS]

  interested in taking things but I would be able to if I want to if I wanted to [TS]

  get a gaming PC I would build again BC I don't want one but if I did the things [TS]

  stopping it would be like I wish someone do all this work for people to go [TS]

  anywhere and punch buttons and get a super expensive gaming PC and you can [TS]

  build a better one half the money if you want to but if you don't want to you [TS]

  know it's the same time they also will say I enjoyed playing games from Steam [TS]

  on my Mac I enjoy playing them games from Steam on my Mac with boot into [TS]

  windows when it's about it pretends its gaming PC I like anyone computer does [TS]

  both of those things I also really like game consoles so I'm probably not the [TS]

  target market of the steam box but there's a lot of noise about them and [TS]

  wait a year and see how well all those different vendors who are feeling steel [TS]

  boxes feel about their contribution to that spot for you kind of surprised that [TS]

  anybody thinks there's going to be a market for more than one of these things [TS]

  like why is it a category and not just one box there is one box of a game [TS]

  console well isn't it kind of it's kind of a game console for steam PC games [TS]

  like i mean but they wanted to have some of the advantages of gaming PCs in one [TS]

  of those advantages is its not the same hardware for everybody [TS]

  it change every year you can get a new faster better one that makes the games [TS]

  prettier and that's not true consoles that's true I sent it to the threading a [TS]

  needle this I don't have much room there is between between the gaming PC and the [TS]

  game console could be the description from above or below depending on how you [TS]

  drive this diagram by the consoles and just the entire world to PC gaming it's [TS]

  quicker way there could be they get squished by real PC gaming it turns out [TS]

  the only people left who aren't just exquisite playing consoles really want a [TS]

  full fledged gaming PC 901 the steam box I don't think it's entirely crazy I [TS]

  think it is smart for Val to get into hardware because they've shown that they [TS]

  understand that like there's more to the world and what they're currently doing [TS]

  and steam was it was a great idea a smashing success and they continue to [TS]

  also make great games on top of that if they can also make great hardware that's [TS]

  popular more power to him but having third parties do it for you kind of like [TS]

  the Windows Phone strategy ecosystem of compatible hardware and I don't know [TS]

  what do you think it's a problem I am I correct that that the steam boxes all [TS]

  have gamepad controller types and not like keyboard mouse kinda schemes that's [TS]

  another problem [TS]

  like they control that they have is interesting and it's trying to make up [TS]

  for the fact that you don't have a keyboard and mouse and a lot of again a [TS]

  lot of the people who play PC games maybe they like mouse and keyboard and [TS]

  if you take that away maybe they're not interested anymore but maybe they [TS]

  weren't really went to mouse and keyboard maybe they just wanted [TS]

  something that lets play first person shooters and if you give them a better [TS]

  first person shooter I don't know this is all dissolved experiment you know and [TS]

  that's kind of what I now must like the fact that they're not the ones sort of [TS]

  during the experiment you guys make the hardware and the software is not easy [TS]

  either i mean i i think i think that the input and and like monitor class like [TS]

  how far you sit and the input devices you use I think that will sync this [TS]

  thing because I think if you want to play first person shooter using the [TS]

  gamepad on a TV about a game console they're probably gonna be better at it [TS]

  and they're cheaper and they're better managing their more popular and [TS]

  everything else [TS]

  their mapping their control scheme to keyboard and mouse like that little [TS]

  piece in the controller looks like two big flat out of touch pad areas one of [TS]

  them is the mouse and one of them is WASD basically like the parole for a [TS]

  legacy games you have to go to play you know half-life 2 portal and all that [TS]

  stuff like you have to be able to make a legacy games work otherwise how can you [TS]

  get a steam box and access is your games in theory in the future games come out [TS]

  with that controller mind it becomes popular but they have to have a support [TS]

  the old games and that's what they're trying to do and supposedly it works [TS]

  better than using like an Xbox 360 controller if you're playing [TS]

  first-person shooters it's more like a keyboard and mouse but I don't know if [TS]

  like I know if it's gonna be worthwhile I don't know who is the customer for [TS]

  these damn boxes there sure are a lot of them this year coming a lot of different [TS]

  sizes and shapes and price points and PC gamers really do love stayin but I'm not [TS]

  sure what their prospects are looking at this control I just looked it up it [TS]

  first of all looks ridiculous but I mean like and I am really out of touch with [TS]

  this stuff because I haven't been heavily in two games in a while but when [TS]

  I was heavily into games I loved PC games and I really didn't get the [TS]

  maximum out of console games because I loved the kind of game is that just work [TS]

  a lot better with keyboard mouse and big money big highres monitoring for your [TS]

  face like our DS's [TS]

  builders like simpson's like not only do I love that kind of game more but even [TS]

  for the kind of games that work on both I just like having a mouse better than a [TS]

  gamepad and I was always and maybe it was better at it with the message is [TS]

  more precise with the mouse and playing even playing shooters on gamepad like it [TS]

  always felt like yeah I'm glad you liked set up a land of my friends or anything [TS]

  but I'm not enjoying it as much you know and like if you like and by the way and [TS]

  I did love bill amount PCs and if I was gonna go back to being a PC gamer being [TS]

  a PC gamer takes a long time investment just to manage all the software crap you [TS]

  have to deal with and the steam box will will of course a lot of that in theory [TS]

  but if you're already gonna devoted much time into this ha because you love it so [TS]

  much you probably are very likely to also want to build your own computer or [TS]

  like I think the the market for people who are going to want to buy a premade [TS]

  gaming PC that they had no part in building and that they might not be able [TS]

  to upgrade very easily if at all to play games on a TV that aren't console games [TS]

  on a kind of console controller that is not a keyboard and mouse so many big [TS]

  leads here that I think are just leaving right out of the market [TS]

  well there's another strategic reason that felt kind of has to do this to sort [TS]

  of protect itself and its that Microsoft has been less and less interested in [TS]

  making windows a hospitable environment for gaming and if you look at do you [TS]

  know the business I'm sure there's a lot of games too but mostly selling [TS]

  quote-unquote PC games and so the the part of Team boxes may be the least [TS]

  interesting to consumers may be the most interesting rival's perspective which is [TS]

  we need to sell our games on linux or that we have some control over to get [TS]

  away from windows because like you know has whined about Windows 8 not being [TS]

  particularly hospitable four games in the early going and like just in general [TS]

  to be fair when it is particularly inhospitable for everybody so like if if [TS]

  all that comes out of this is the boxes total flop but a huge portion of games [TS]

  available on Steam run on like it maybe they don't call the steam box anymore [TS]

  but if you mostly use your PC for gaming [TS]

  valve can say oh when you play our games you should play them like in the steam [TS]

  OS whatever they call the Linux thing that they're going to use their it's [TS]

  kind of a hedge against like our future shouldn't depend on Microsoft because [TS]

  Microsoft cares about Xbox one you know gaming they care [TS]

  slightly less about windows and who knows with Microsoft's new CEO search [TS]

  what kind of direction the company will be taken in this is probably a smart [TS]

  hedged just to say we should really look into if we're going to be a platform [TS]

  research looking into having more control and not being beholden to [TS]

  Microsoft or so much for our business because certainly something is not [TS]

  beholden to Microsoft for its gaming business right and you know after the [TS]

  buildings anywhere else and so on so I think it's a wise strategic move about [TS]

  to be doing this and I think it matters less whether this team boxes competes [TS]

  with game consoles or anything it just like it's kind of like Steam itself the [TS]

  payoff will be many many years now and it may not be the same pay off today [TS]

  expected but it's worth doing it [TS]

  Marco I'd like to ask you guys about some of your past experiences but before [TS]

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  something a minute ago about how you don't have to set up your own network [TS]

  and it just made me remember so there when I was a kid I used to play quite a [TS]

  lot of games and and both all of them intend to consoles and many many many PC [TS]

  games and i was just curious if you guys had the hilarious experiences of having [TS]

  your friends over where they would bring their many towers and their CRT monitors [TS]

  that way two thousand pounds and you're in like 6th or 7th grade at the time [TS]

  they can barely lift them on your own and you would get like these forty-foot [TS]

  no modem cables and string them together and play wolf 3d or doom against each [TS]

  other or whatever the case may be I I just gotta have such fond memories of [TS]

  that I was curious if i was little if I was the only one [TS]

  yeah it was a nightmare I mean part of the fun of being a high school kid and [TS]

  and trying to hang out with Mikey Trenton set up some kind of land at [TS]

  somebody's house to play total annihilation which is all I did in high [TS]

  school to be pretty pretty good experience but [TS]

  it was funny because this is kind of a model for a lot of PC gaming it's a [TS]

  common result of all PC gaming is like you have to deal with so much crap to [TS]

  set it up and you know ours this is like a lot of physical moving stuff around [TS]

  physical plugging stuff and figure out oh god why why does this network cable [TS]

  that we just made yesterday and we have never killed before was just all the [TS]

  sudden not work or why you know I can your computer see the other three but [TS]

  then one of them can see you and all cod you didn't install the map or like you [TS]

  start to get all into the game you're always one guy doesn't have the newest [TS]

  patch so half the units are disabled [TS]

  you know there's it was a whole bunch of crap it was a whole bunch of of [TS]

  time-wasting crap system administration stuff rebooting installing patches [TS]

  install new version of the game installing new maps getting everything [TS]

  it was such a nightmare that like we would we would start drinking and all [TS]

  these computers were like our computers are a family's computer so we couldn't [TS]

  really leave them there for the next week or anything like that we would like [TS]

  every weekend [TS]

  me and a couple of friends would bring all their computers over to one of the [TS]

  two houses that had network switches because I like to the house had to [TS]

  computers the parents like head to computer so you know we'd go to the [TS]

  country on those houses plugin try to figure everything out we wouldn't even [TS]

  start playing until 12 or one of the morning [TS]

  yeah oh yeah like the button again actually launches you're actually in it [TS]

  it would be when I am because we would we would have started setting up at [TS]

  eight and you know it installing patches and crap until then and that's this is [TS]

  this is the view of PC gaming they still have because I didn't play a lot of [TS]

  games after mid college or so they just kind of ran a time and then after [TS]

  college I got a job and enough time then my friends were in different places [TS]

  kinda fell out of gaming but his PC gaming I mean obviously nowadays you can [TS]

  bring over LCDs or at a laptop with be amazing I mean we all had a home built [TS]

  desktop with like 19 inch CRT monitors so it was it was quite an ordeal these [TS]

  days I imagine it's a lot better but I bet you still have a lot of that [TS]

  software crap to deal with is that still the case [TS]

  it's not as bad as as certainly as bad as it used to be and for the most part [TS]

  if you're lucky and have some minimum amount of knowledge you can get a [TS]

  similar experience that is what people are getting these days on their PCs you [TS]

  get a headset mic you get the internet for your networking problems everyone [TS]

  has their on-screen you're not always going the same place but it's close ish [TS]

  people stop LAN parties like the pacs you know conference they have a giant [TS]

  land room or you can bring your own PC or use them on there and they still do [TS]

  that when I see people on the giant land rooms at conventions and stuff is just [TS]

  you know row after a people sitting at PC is looking at this screen is wearing [TS]

  headset mics I think how important is it to these people are on the same room and [TS]

  is not as important as it was when you're in your friends are on the same [TS]

  room because the technology like it's not just you the screen the master [TS]

  keyboard and headset mic and the fact that the guy yelling at us for seats [TS]

  away means nothing because you never even look at maybe in smaller atmosphere [TS]

  is more important but I think for the most part to the Internet and technology [TS]

  has come to make most of that an important one thing that the younger [TS]

  people I remember is that the original Xbox you can bring out over someone's [TS]

  house can look it up and play Halo [TS]

  multi-room multiplayer halo experience and that's what I think was the may be [TS]

  the last thing to be loved from house to house original Xboxes but nowadays no [TS]

  one likes their consoles I think they basically keep in their house and use [TS]

  the magic of the Internet to that stuff it's it's it's funny to me because [TS]

  channeling my inner bitter old man like we were talking about last episode yeah [TS]

  I just remember so vividly the the pain of finding a null modem cable which [TS]

  looked in many ways like a serial cable but different and then had to string [TS]

  them together and then you had to set up everyone in the same like really really [TS]

  hot room because no matter what how big the room was and how good the air [TS]

  conditioning was when you put all of these humongous machines at these CRT [TS]

  that weren't exactly cool either and you put them on this little room with all [TS]

  these teenage dudes at probably don't have the best hygiene anyway and then [TS]

  you sit there need to read those and Mountain Dew for hours and in just [TS]

  playing these games like doom and whatnot [TS]

  when you when you can scream and yell at each other and you're right next to each [TS]

  other [TS]

  and then I remembered as somebody mentioned the chat and one of my [TS]

  all-time favorites was plain to send and the first to sin and you're playing that [TS]

  not only against your friends and but locally but also playing it via modem [TS]

  directly between two friends and then eventually when Kali Kali or whatever it [TS]

  was called came out in India would let it would masquerade it would let the [TS]

  internet internet masquerade as an IPX network which is all that most of these [TS]

  games supported at the time and I got it was so much fun and it was so it was [TS]

  such a defining part of my childhood like between that and all of the [TS]

  Nintendo consoles I know I i jokingly begrudge did as recently as earlier this [TS]

  episode the whole game thing but got it was such a big part of my my upbringing [TS]

  in my childhood I spent so much time playing these games and it's just so [TS]

  weird to me like not to get all I have happened I don't know I just like I [TS]

  don't mean this to be dismissive but I guess I just grew out of it like it just [TS]

  wasn't a priority to me anymore and I can't even remember the last game that i [TS]

  played that I was really really into I guess maybe Metal Gear Solid on the [TS]

  original PlayStation and it was probably not the first Metal Gear Solid either [TS]

  when PlayStation 3 is a $99 and a couple years I'll send you on a journey you're [TS]

  not gonna leave me alone and I believe anybody alone Marco you still in your [TS]

  schedule to yeah it was Marco schedule whenever the hell markets around your [TS]

  schedule like most things in his life [TS]

  it's very different these days that you know networking is ubiquitous or if not [TS]

  ubiquitous darn near ubiquitous and and it's such a far cry from what we had to [TS]

  deal with in and I'm not saying that to make it sound like I walked uphill both [TS]

  ways it's not at all the point it's just it's surprising to me how much [TS]

  technology has changed in so little time where our children will not have any of [TS]

  these woes that we have like I remember to connect to the internet originally [TS]

  my dad and I spent literally a couple of weeks trying to figure out I believe not [TS]

  only the modem initialization string or whatever you called it the eighty [TS]

  whatever whatever whatever strength but then also the corrects it slept IP [TS]

  script to figure out the correct slips trips right now probably told the story [TS]

  before and I'm sorry but my goodness it was such pain and and and when we [TS]

  finally got it was such a said set a sense of accomplishment and and it's [TS]

  just it's not the same anymore nothing in your kids these days of different [TS]

  issues that they have to overcome like windows behind nevertheless it's just so [TS]

  funny to me how different things are today I mean ultimately it's better [TS]

  today I mean like yeah but you know I well thanks like two or three sponsor [TS]

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  didn't even mean to begin [TS]

  it was accidental [TS]

  does it was accidental and you can find the show and a phone call [TS]

  I disagree with with something that jon said a few minutes back which is about [TS]

  how how network play kind of replaced in person play i I don't think it's [TS]

  anywhere near the same thing and the headset and the constant voice chat does [TS]

  improve things a lot but I know there's there's something about you know just [TS]

  being in the same room or being like in the next room over from the people who [TS]

  were who you're playing against and when you start marching into their base and [TS]

  you you can like hear them swear and get and get all upset about it or like like [TS]

  we had a rule during our land games for total annihilation we had a rule that [TS]

  you were not allowed to mute the sound or wear headphones you had to use [TS]

  audible sound you can turn down there had to be audible and so you could like [TS]

  there was even strategy and that like be careful what you click because the other [TS]

  person might hear you click on a big unit makes a certain sound all know you [TS]

  have one or so there's all these little factors you could you could a dinner [TS]

  that or that just happened that made it more interesting more rich experience to [TS]

  be in the same room as people and be playing with people as opposed to get [TS]

  everyone on the same server together you know and and I think I think looking at [TS]

  that what probably really killed the LAN party as being a thing besides how [TS]

  incredibly expensive and complicated and time consuming it was was the N 64 [TS]

  getting four players that like the n64 came out at roughly the same time that [TS]

  we were doing all this stuff and a little before but it really came into [TS]

  its own by that time so like we were faced with alright well what do you [TS]

  wanna do time do you wanna all bring your computers over and dick around with [TS]

  Windows for two hours or do you want to just come over and play Goldeneye and [TS]

  it's already here and Mario Kart Wii U two guys bring controllers will only [TS]

  have to otherwise you know I get it was like my feelings in person playing of of [TS]

  four-player good and 64 and forward games I think that really didn't warrant [TS]

  a LAN party I didn't say that it was the same but it did replace it and the same [TS]

  way that when you went from what replace their land parties were replaced it [TS]

  four players Christine four players quit split screen is not the same because [TS]

  everybody can see everybody else's screen but it did replace it so like I [TS]

  said if you look at how are people doing most of their multiplayer gaming it used [TS]

  to be that the super hardcore gamers were having LAN parties nowadays the [TS]

  super hardcore Land Park gamers are sitting in front of a screen with a [TS]

  headset on so we replaced it and like I was thinking of the in person thing like [TS]

  the places where land party still exist like a convention is often when I see [TS]

  people playing it giant LAN party conventions they're playing at the LAN [TS]

  party the same way they play at home which is headphones on headset on [TS]

  staring at the screen in front of them which is not you know it's not the same [TS]

  here right but that's that is what has replaced like those other aspects that [TS]

  were different [TS]

  were deemed not as important as the aspects that they liked us like when you [TS]

  went to four players but it's going to split screen goldeneye the aspects that [TS]

  you are missing having private streams were a significant but we're not the [TS]

  most important thing most important thing is you're having fun with your [TS]

  friends and for most people the inconvenience of traveling to the to be [TS]

  the same place like one of the scheduling you know getting everybody [TS]

  when they're all free at the same time and can travel to someone's house to sit [TS]

  on their couch together to play a game even when you've eliminated a land party [TS]

  stuff it's hard to do that is to pay when dinner is done and the kids are in [TS]

  bed let me just wander into my computer room and everyone get online the same [TS]

  way we do a podcast get online at nine o'clock and that works out you know so [TS]

  it is definitely different and there are aspects that are not as good and you're [TS]

  missing things but convince wins out eventually and that's true but to me [TS]

  some of my favorite memories of doing these quote-unquote LAN parties or no [TS]

  modem party's gonna call them was if not the whooping and hollering that happened [TS]

  during the games I've marco was describing but man the trash talk [TS]

  afterwards like after a session or a game around or whatever was over when [TS]

  you would just kill happily fun getting each others faces and start screaming [TS]

  and yelling at all I can't believe you did that you would say and I totally [TS]

  slaughtered you on that level of noxious but that was the most fun in the world [TS]

  and and that just don't see and it's hard for me to say can only play games [TS]

  that much anymore but I don't see that [TS]

  happening at a LAN party or special II if you're not co-located I'm pretty sure [TS]

  trash talk still works over headset mic someone to play someone who plays video [TS]

  games can confirm to me that perhaps still is that thing on the internet you [TS]

  know what I mean I'm pretty sure trash talk is the only thing that goes over [TS]

  headset mics that's true I was trying to do like a verbal sarcasm tax because [TS]

  sometimes people don't catch it like when when I said the Mac Mini has a Core [TS]

  2 Duo and corrected me as I was serious that was sarcasm folks we invented in [TS]

  New York where everything is good for the best we we've mister Ohio [TS]

  you left so it's more important to be from there then John where we can say [TS]

  what state New York and would you ask me [TS]

  Virginia and Connecticut under know some crazy state New York John New York how [TS]

  long were you in New York at least a few minutes of your formative years there [TS]

  the thing that the thing that mold you into the man that you are your formative [TS]

  years the calls formative for a reason why did you spend those years so well [TS]

  not new york so I 0 through like 24 Montgomery New York then we bounced [TS]

  around for a little bit when I was really young kid in kindergarten through [TS]

  second grade I believe it was I was in Carmel New York and New York not New [TS]

  York come upstate up it's not out of state my god it's basically Canada [TS]

  market like an hour and a half from new york city it is not that upstate you can [TS]

  get very pretty out there in an hour and a half from new york city you can get an [TS]

  hour and a half from New York City not be upstate is by going east into the [TS]

  ocean over Long Island [TS]

  as bridges and tunnels traffic and wine what they actually that I wanted to to [TS]

  mention here only if you're talking about as LAN party in PC gaming crap is [TS]

  that so one of the like four core guys that that I had to land parties with is [TS]

  getting married the spring and as part of the bachelor party we're renting a [TS]

  house somewhere for the weekend and we want to play LAN games again so I think [TS]

  we're gonna do to to have this done is it cuz we don't wanna play new games [TS]

  wanna play total annihilation and you know maybe supreme commander at the [TS]

  newest which has came out late 2004 something so they're not new games by [TS]

  any stretch and so what I'm thinking is thinking of configuring cause I don't [TS]

  want to have to spend a whole weekend downloading stuff of a god knows what [TS]

  connection and configuring stuff there that's that's not a good use of a [TS]

  weekend in a big house so stinking tekserve will rent you MacBook Pros like [TS]

  body day or by the week and for pretty reasonable price was thinking I could [TS]

  just like rent like six MacBook Pros and having a pre-configured parallels avian [TS]

  that I could just today I would set up beforehand and just copied all them and [TS]

  played out wait is that is that plausible you think you could try try [TS]

  boxer boxer no no these are no it's unfortunate either Windows games like [TS]

  like to isolation is like a Windows 98 era game but it works on Windows doesn't [TS]

  run and us know and and supreme commander is like a DirectX 9 game it's [TS]

  pretty relatively recent it's 10 years old but relatively recent righteous but [TS]

  the the macro present the windows cause I don't know how I think that that might [TS]

  take too long to like to get to get a real bootcamp partition I guess I could [TS]

  like images somehow I know how to do that though [TS]

  there's this imaging prices anyway things you probably aren't up [TS]

  fertilization any one of the things that were unreasonably heavy industry and try [TS]

  to on your Mac Pro to see if it can if it does sign in and where ya and to [TS]

  enter the chat people the reason I don't just get Windows machines because I just [TS]

  want I want to like have all the setup before I rent the computers and before I [TS]

  get there have a V I'm sort of like you just copied over and be and be done with [TS]

  it not spent hours and hours and hours making this work I predict that no [TS]

  matter what you do to prepare for this part of the LAN party springs will be [TS]

  preserved and that will be the part of you dicking around the computer so glad [TS]

  that that shouldn't be a failure that should be considered part of the success [TS]

  you know I've tried to get so back into games like so many times there's a [TS]

  greater the podcast called up three moves ahead and it's like a strategy [TS]

  gaming podcast also like a lot of good stuff just about people they have the [TS]

  chemistry this was interesting show but I get right into that and I listened to [TS]

  the episode about ancient game that I'm aware of but all the ones about new [TS]

  games I don't know what the heck they're talking about and it's like the whole [TS]

  world that habit has moved on for like 10 years since I stopped paying [TS]

  attention to it and I i feel like i cant get back into it now I'm excited to play [TS]

  games with my ancient friends in this one occasion I'm excited about that but [TS]

  like i dont wanna play total isolation against range on the Internet today [TS]

  well you have you can look at the good way in the bed with a bad way as the [TS]

  you're missing out on all these great games and you are missing out on the [TS]

  good way is that by being ignorant for so long in your future somewhere Eliza [TS]

  time when you're going to to somehow StumbleUpon define yourself playing a [TS]

  modern game and you're going to be like oh my god I didn't know when did this [TS]

  happen two games will be in July gonna happen to me with console games cause I [TS]

  didn't I never own game consoles my parents didn't let me have one and I [TS]

  stopped kind of playing them over my friends house once I really got into [TS]

  computers with that sort of dominated my life and I like around the SNES era kind [TS]

  of faded away from consoles and the next time I paid any attention all consoles [TS]

  as when I saw my cousins Nintendo 64 Mariners it apart like oh my god when [TS]

  did this happen it's not like I hadn't seen 3d graphics before I grew up [TS]

  playing quake with new cards or whatever or friends house but seeing again [TS]

  console with analog second seeing Mary 64 which is like a shock to my system [TS]

  and totally brought me back to console game and it also helped that point I was [TS]

  old enough to buy my own so where you will have your marriage 64 moment and [TS]

  you will probably get back into it but in the meantime you should use my [TS]

  strategy with cars because I'm never driver you know with the exception of [TS]

  seeing here in five see any cars real-life have anything to do with them [TS]

  but I've been reading car magazine since I was like 10 years old by continuously [TS]

  so despite the fact that I didn't own any cars and so many many years now I've [TS]

  only had a couple of cars in my entire life I still feel like I'm in the car [TS]

  seeing just by reading magazines every month for my entire adult and half of [TS]

  child life so you could have been doing that if you really cared I mean I kind [TS]

  of do too I read all the game I read the gaming news there in the game console [TS]

  magazines and grant I have like five consoles like the TV but I don't have [TS]

  all of them and no play all the PC games but I'm aware of them so it's kind of [TS]

  like a you know what what point is that reading car magazines about cars you [TS]

  never going on what point is it really gay magazines about games never gonna [TS]

  play both kind of the same thing I do both I'm hearing you say if I remove [TS]

  made me remember as I'm getting on this nostalgic kick that one 3d card that we [TS]

  had a thing as the first one we got where it would take this short little [TS]

  study cable in tin plugged into the VGA out of your actual video card and then [TS]

  plug it into a VGA and on the 3d daughter card and then the VGA out that [TS]

  goes to monitor was on that 3d daughter card goodness it was so terrible you [TS]

  know the crappy old days due to my first good 3223 because I think the first one [TS]

  that was all integrated and didn't have that stupid hack I remember back in the [TS]

  day when I when I was excited to get a soundblaster so I could listen I like [TS]

  the sound effects on Carmen Sandiego is like a ten year [TS]

  whatever I want whenever I was the good old days of baiting PC users when they [TS]

  had their computers couldn't do basic things like have an auto switching 10 [TS]

  100 Ethernet cable hope you mentioned the Xbox or a sound card when you need [TS]

  to sound card for my camera supercomputers complete games in my very [TS]

  first masking with two buns future [TS]