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00:11:58 ◼ ► drives are getting slaughtered on the board but what I'm driving it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/718">TS</a>]
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00:12:57 ◼ ► gets in the way of me doing something recognize that they need to screen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/777">TS</a>]
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00:13:05 ◼ ► iMac you know making the iMac go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► consumers love that and the Mac Pro is the opposite of that because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/789">TS</a>]
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00:13:17 ◼ ► desk is it all just dominate you and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► anti-consumer because consumers did not want to see crap like that whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/801">TS</a>]
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00:13:29 ◼ ► or whatever you are the type of person who is willing to accept that intrusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► into your life of this big space heater so much of the Mac Pro commentary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/813">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► before Mike from tech blog and writers and stuff so much of the commentary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/818">TS</a>]
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00:13:47 ◼ ► have never owned one and the people who own them usually love them and usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/827">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► don't care how big it is because it's it's it's it's out of sight League you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► talking away under the desk and you don't really like my MacPro got thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► percent thinner I wouldn't even notice I can stand for it I can see it like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/841">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► don't see them because I wanna take up less room but I'm like you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► author of the space for two optical drives and you know you convert some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► the storage area to be taking SSDs instead of 3.5 inch discs and like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/854">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► point maybe maybe you're wasting space maybe you can slam it down and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/860">TS</a>]
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00:14:34 ◼ ► like this a dedicated spot on the floor where it goes I could put something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► slightly smaller there but I will be fine they kept the same way that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► we're desperate like bargaining please just give us a new one that's not crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/883">TS</a>]
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00:14:53 ◼ ► it or have theories about it or who judge it unfairly don't realize how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/893">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► expensive Xeons are you know they'll say oh this thing is over priced actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/897">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► surprised but not Apple's fault Intel exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/903">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► exactly like if you if you look at any other stage because like they charge so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/908">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► much money for what is like a piece of crap computer at this point that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► out apple sold the fighting is Intel still charges that bush for I know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► had enough like write something build your own Mac Pro ok so tell us by let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► pretend we buy the process is it retail price which Apple does right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► attempt by the RAM retail price doesn't pretend about all the parts that retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/932">TS</a>]
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00:15:42 ◼ ► add up but but it isn't as far off as a lot of people think and the add-on once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► you go to like okay I wanna pumping up to dual socket with a 2.66 hurts then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/947">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► look at the difference that cost like 1500 dollars extra what the hell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► then you look actually Intel charges like $1200 more for the for the CPA but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/955">TS</a>]
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00:16:10 ◼ ► anything to really slim it down like if you eliminated a few drive bays or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► you made it like single socket only we should see a lot of space in the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► then you are you are limiting who will buy it like you are taking people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/978">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► used to buy Mac Pros and and you are really significantly reducing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/984">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► motivation by Matt Brogan and and that's why you think like I do hope that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/988">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► keeps it around I do hope that the next revision has some kind of solution for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► retina on the desktop hopefully they will release some kind of retina Cinema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► Display and then there'll be some kind of insane video card in the new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► that can drive it for some insane price premium probably but you know I'm hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1008">TS</a>]
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00:16:53 ◼ ► it'll be the Apple 15 entering the cinema display just what you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1013">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► like traveling back in time and the thing that I can't reconcile it in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► head is that to me as a non pro pattern on Mac Pro users can send on Pro Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► user because I'm laptop is sufficient for me it seems so obvious to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► the Mac Pro just cannot continue in any even vaguely similar forms the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► now because everything Apple is doing is is going in the other direction I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► just said that but it's just like the like first of all it is a very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► margin product they don't make a whole lot but it is high margin and they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► they could even raise the price premium by another 500 bucks per case and we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► all still by the most may prove as we continue to buy them even if the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► premium was even bigger so they saw it the profitability angle of them i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► is probably covered I don't I don't think if they treat it as a unit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► company I don't think it'll be losing money but a lot of people say oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► you know doesn't sell very many they should just cut it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► well there are some very many Macs relative to iPhones and iPads but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► saying you should stop selling max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► some people say that most people like it's it's not like people people tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► develop these rules in their head about how Apple works and how and how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► decisions and when I wrote about the iPhone + speculation and like so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► people there are going to add another SKU that's not the way they do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► you know that that is how to do these when it makes sense as the iPhone math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1113">TS</a>]
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00:18:43 ◼ ► armchair Apple com interview she has granted we all are but like the armchair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1123">TS</a>]
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00:19:02 ◼ ► decisions they've made in future decisions they will make that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► say oh well they're gonna get rid of this Lanka's they sell any of them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► know that that doesn't necessarily mean it should get rid of something or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1151">TS</a>]
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00:19:33 ◼ ► right between the iPhone iPad iPod and they had like the iPhone and one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1173">TS</a>]
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00:19:48 ◼ ► here's an iPad you know we think there's room for something in the way steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1188">TS</a>]
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00:22:09 ◼ ► most people though who have who who who have owned the previous phones whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► picked up and held a five are like oh my gosh this is I want this and even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► is not everybody can do that most people recognize that the five overall is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1339">TS</a>]
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00:22:30 ◼ ► can buy very few people would say I want something smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► you know it's it's pretty great so you know but so that I see them keeping it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► around but if they only made the big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► I think you have a lot of people to manage something smaller than I after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1362">TS</a>]
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00:22:54 ◼ ► one of the things he brought up which I hadn't thought about too much as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1374">TS</a>]
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00:23:05 ◼ ► and one of the things I had noticed is a nicely using the underside of playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► with him fooling around that he brought up the thing is not so much like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1389">TS</a>]
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00:23:16 ◼ ► bigger screens people who have vision problems people just like it bigger but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► that Android in particular does something with larger screens that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► probably going to have slightly more difficult to doing which is it uses the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► larger screen to actually show more information like the phone with larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► screens have larger resolutions so you don't be absurd to show more stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► whereas we're also making a bigger iPhone is just simply gonna be alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► same res but just bigger which is which gives you half of what a big screen can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► do but Andy saying what made him go over is not so much just as hard as I saw his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► mind right but that apps on that phone for the big screen showed more stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► we're designed to have more stuff on the screen not so many like more items in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► list view but just like more context in the side and just more room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► information it wasn't simply the same image you see in a small android screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► may have larger because your vision is bad you know so that half of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► equation I'm not sure when Apple can do that because all of its user interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► and all the iPhone apps are designed for a thumb reaching around the screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► yeah it's easier to see but you don't get sick advantage of the next room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► because you're keeping the rest seem to keep your you know the developer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► wonder how high was 16 jurors auto layout which is way more capable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► mature and flexible than the old auto auto sizing system they had in place so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► now like the the frameworks are are getting in place for iOS apps to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► flexible sizes and has always had that because Android phones have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► a wide variety of sizes so you know andrea is is like all the apps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► designed least the good ones are designed to to be pretty flexible with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► the size that they're willing to render added and will work out just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► they've always had to so that is definitely an advantage but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► wonder like how Apple will do this in the future like that they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► laying the groundwork with auto layout and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► and by having the iPhone 4 and the five dispute these two different sizes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► they're laying the groundwork for a future where we can more easily support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► more sizes and and iOS developers expect that and do that but it does add so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► complexity and it is so much harder to design apps that way that I wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► they're ever gonna pull the trigger and and you know make things there a wider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► variety of sizes I think I think they'll be forced to eventually and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► way they'll get away with it because the stumbling block is not so much going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► be the absolute like assuming you know everyone gets on the auto bailout train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► and everyone's head to trial run with making their apps taller right which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► don't necessarily need to adopt all that you do but you know it's it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► easy to write but the sticking block is always games right and what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► they're going to do with games you i think is designed for a fix screens guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► I'm not using any real you I just a big OpenGL view right you know what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► they going to do with their with with games is what the same thing they did on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► the retina MacBook Pros which is like they did this intently there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► reason therefore systematic approach but they did they said okay well so you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► native retina size but we also have a size it's even bigger than that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► we'll just scale your whole freakin screamin and put it in the retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► that's gonna look horrible and I'll see vietnam native res but it turns out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► you make the pics are small enough it is not as horrible as you might think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► what do you what do you do with the games that don't update on your big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► screen you just scale them and you would think it would look hideous and doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► look as good as it could but because the pics is so small you are not incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► sore that I can only keep the aspect ratio the same all this came as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► update for the iPhone 70 doesn't show any new information all doesn't scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► the one that used to run on the iPhone 6 you know it scales it horizontally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► vertically in proportion and now fills my screen and maybe the game guide never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► has to go back and port and going forward we can make games that work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► all the different resins natively but he never has to back for that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► everyone else just deals with the other layout issues and and try something nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► one of the apps though is that designers have been accustomed to before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► designer really accustomed to having like pixel perfect control over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► every iPhone every iPhone / iPod Touch app would always have a screen at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► exactly the shape example this physical size of this resolution so they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► like they could design the entire app as like one bitmap basically and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► developers used to make a web pages that of HTML tables with sliced up images but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► the right and so like you know now right now with the iPhone 5 they've broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that for a lot of apps and games and that this doesn't fit games to with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► you I know not necessarily but the domain but the main with the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► viewport of the game into the engine can be most can be different sizes in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► cases without too much work but like the the you I usually can't so you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► that is challenging for games and apps alike but you know once they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► people accustomed to it but the iPhone 5 and you know maybe maybe now it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► easier and people start adapting also stylistically like our what's in fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► right now and design is moving out of those extremely detailed picture perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► textures and into flat design which scales in two different aspect ratios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► way easier probably over by the way back to making everything look like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► bottom would help now the thing that we're not on the same thought train the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► you guys you guys areare is everyone I've ever spoken to be fair is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► small sample size but everyone I've ever spoken to who's tried auto layout has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► not had good things to say and I think what's it been since I just posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► something I think it's not allowed to demand that solo plus I B I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► agree with the bright side note I've seen that interaction with people try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► do so because I can't figure out how it works in interface so I just don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► the old system gets it good enough for my needs so I guess maybe the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► that we use the one is a visual format language or whatever we all start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► drawing ASCII art I think it's a bit of a learning curve and maybe maybe a bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► that learning curve if you know the old system well enough that it's not worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► it for you to climate but like I mean what brand said is like the way it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► to be like when you lay something out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► with a GUI tool like auto layout is not going to leave leave in like sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► open-ended question it's going to you had to have sort of it has to behave in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► a certain way to be deterministic so it's going to add the missing constraint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► that you're not yet specified and if you don't know what all those implicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► constraints the detecting for you are you like why didn't have that constraint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► like well you need something there to balance the equation so the thing knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► what it's supposed to do when you resize right and that can be frustrating but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► think if you if you really really new auto me out he will be obvious to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► what implicit constraints enterprise builder is adding and you wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► surprised by when you lay something out that allowed interest builder and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► constraint and see how it behaves because you know what all the other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► would have to be to fill it and like i mean there's still room for variation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► there that I B could be adding things that you don't think it should close the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► equation in a different way or whatever but I think it's it's a it's a solvable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► problem in a politically on until they get something that works reasonably well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► also it's kind of a chicken and egg thing like right now most apps are able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► to adapt the iPhone 5 without significant changes because it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► stretched vertically and and if any Apple has a scrollable like a vertical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► scroll content area in the middle of the table view our list app that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► really easy transition from us to make so it wasn't that painful to adapt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► iPhone 5 once we if they would add a whole new resolution that was wider and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► taller you know that that was different both mentioned even if it's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► aspect ratio than that and even more complexity if if they do that then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► gonna be so much work to add a Pilates abs to it then maybe it'll motivate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► developers to convert to auto layout or to start using it for new projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► whereas now the value proposition is not strong for it was like well the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► system works well enough for so many cases and we already know it and we only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► have to support two devices and it's fairly easy to support them both now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► you know it's it's it's a lot less compelling now do you remember I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► trying to remember the earlier demonstrably Dec to go to the session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► so like I'm trying to think of if they have the ability to do the same way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► ok so now when they were showing on the Mac but like so now when you're when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► your window is little bigger suddenly new information and/or UI elements come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► into existence that weren't previously there sort of like responsive design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► when they have an application disappear in stepping up supporters that's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► that's what you really need for like you know you're trying to avoid a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► where we have now is like ok I make my app for the iPod and the iPhone and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► I have to you know if I'm going to do a good job I can do different you I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► that is just so different in size you can't just take the phone thing scaling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► up well if you have a larger iPhone like getting back to Andy's point if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► really want to an awesome job for those people USA ok now I have more room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► put stuff I shouldn't really just take my iphone screen make sure everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► fact they have room for another button here I have room for ancillary display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► with some other information you know like that's what the triple-a guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► gonna do and the question is if they're doing that these are allowed a factor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► do they just make three different views that regular iPhone the bigger iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► and the iPad and if it has the ability to simply let people say ok here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► iPhone wanted you make it a little bit bigger you know another control cousins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► of you and other like display thing and then also have to do another way out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► the iPad I bet most good developers are especially good people good designers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► like most good developers will want to code those separately anyway because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► lot of time is even if it's like it if it's ok we'll we'll show or hide these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► controls or rearrange them even then a lot of times the iPad interface probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► should work even more differently than that and and so I think we're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► going to have people who that's the idea saying from the small phone to the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► yeah and that's a smaller jump hopefully in and what what you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► different so I could take care of that in a lot of cases I'm sure but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► think so many people are gonna wanna custom design things you know to to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► be more different than what the layout engine is is capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► writing and it has a car as the old curmudgeon syndrome like if you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► the rail out works is it worth it to you to learn how the art because then all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► you're doing is like you're going through an abstraction layer thus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► preventing you from just setting the things that you know you want to set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► some cases are aware can do things that you would have to write code for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► that's the kind of case we like my writing the stupid train layout code to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► recalculate the distances between these things based on their it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► springs and struts can't do it but our layout can all that is saving you from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► manually writing that coach just some stupid math on points to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► far things are and that's that's the type of thing that probably with Gemma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► well-lit areas you say if you didn't have allowed the amount of code you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► to write for this would make you not want to use this feature and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► make it would make you not make your layout actress weblog how easy it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► allowed vs like I could do springs and struts there's no reason for me to lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► out its just getting in my way or the other thing that I find interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► about a layout is although I like I said earlier I haven't heard a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► sing its praises I certainly haven't heard a lot of people say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► iCloud you know if it doesn't seem like the technology is bad it's just a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► learning curve like both you guys have been saying whereas iCloud seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► somewhat of a big learning curve and it's a piece of crap so that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► learn anything it doesn't act news API and a framework on your system you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► a fighting chance figuring out but when you're communicating to black box over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► the network and you can't figure out why it works the way it does just this it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► a it does not converge on a solution will elect when Apple makes new API's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► and and frameworks and things like that you know they're they're solving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► number of problems with these API's some of them appear to be designed not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► necessarily for everyone to use like as their new default of how they build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► things but for rapid development or 44 less sophisticated developers to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► something working well and quickly so I think one of the biggest examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► this is our Christmas story boards like arc is a really great feature that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► obviously want everybody to use its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► there's really very few downsides to it overall and and even power users you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2165">TS</a>]
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00:36:15 ◼ ► almost no downsides story boards are a very restrictive and limited structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► that your app uses they can save a lot of time for rapid development or for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2184">TS</a>]
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00:36:34 ◼ ► framework for certain things but there's there so limited that a lot of high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► developers really can't use them for much and and so you know maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► auto layout is no not not quite to the level of storyboards and maybe it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► not quite to the level of Arc either it's you know it's there for for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► to to use maybe sometimes or as they go forward maybe new developers learn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► maybe it isn't intended to capture a lot of the other developers quite yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► because you know maybe the value isn't quite that clear on it and certainly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► know once you have one of those situations where you're laying out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► something with the old system that's really a pain to do it once you have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► the situation then you start learning it but I think there's a there's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► there's very little reason for developers to convert things to auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► layout if they're working fine spring struts or delay or 22 absolutely vital a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► for everything in the next project like it might not make sense to do that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► maybe says the circles that we travel in the people who read but like the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► of people who have a grumpy face about I B which is not like a fancy new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► technology comes from the next day is right there are like magic are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► doing code oh yeah that's like it just shows that sometimes no matter how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► was a big selling point in the next days like looking into rebuilding its amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► right you know some people just that I'd rather just do it in codon you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► that's just what they would rather do and you're not gonna make it no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► how nice you make the tool if people don't want to chill it does that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► solving a problem they think they have there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► auto layout even if they make it awesome and perfect just like and availability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► some people say I preferred just doing code and they well and Interface Builder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► I've always thought has been like comically unintuitive and like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► background as Casey knows because he was there my my background was Visual Basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► and you know Microsoft has a lot of things badly I got it got to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► credit for that they do so many things badly it's quite impressive however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► their development tools are really good and they're especially good at not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► having a really huge learning curve to get started on something and Visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► Basic and any now of course we were sophisticated with other new stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► I started as a basic with version 1.0 literally visualize it 110 and even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► it was really easy to use you dragged out of control and I double click it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► there's the function like it so it was so easy to use that I could figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► out as an extreme novice like in 7th Grade you know who's really did have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► great Interface Builder has so many weird little things about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► weird behaviour that are necessary you know it's not like oh you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► some advanced need at some point you might need to know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► know it's like if you're going to use this to do anything at all you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► do is weird things about it that are very intuitive like and it's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► that way and they they keep saying it's getting better and in some ways it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► better and then head to new things that you need to learn some weird way so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► really Interface Builder has never been particularly easy to use and Casey I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► curious cause you've come to this way more recently than John and I have what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► do you think of interviews builder like how you said you had those problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► and you have used the Microsoft stuff more recently cuz you are you were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► Windows guy for so long at work and you still are kind of what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► about this comparison i think for the most part I agree with what you said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► don't have any heat for Interface Builder and I think that largely comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► from the fact that a I haven't done you know years upon years of iOS development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► all the development of done is tended to be with reasonably simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► straightforward user interfaces I i dont I do agree though that it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► intuitive like when you were talking about how you drag a button on 24 min [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► and current Windows Forms parlance apartments have you pronounce that word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► et cetera regardless you just drop it on a formidable clicking there's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► messages like you're saying whereas with Interface Builder as you're describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► this and thinking well how does that work in interface bode well you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► have something on the header or perhaps the the code I'm file that is an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► action and I be out late will wait what's the difference between the two oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► well you see I B action as a function error message in an IP outlet is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► you just want to have a reference in its already it's like oh my god shut up so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► don't think it's terrible I don't have a problem with Interface Builder but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► would agree with everything you said about the Microsoft Developer Tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► really are good and it's funny because i've been teaching a co-worker Objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► C and cocoa and whatnot and he's really enjoyed it and got over the ugly ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► ugly syntax a lot quicker than I did but one of the things that it's hysterical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► to watch is when he's trying to figure out what the right method is to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► something like for example to make a string lower case rather than go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► yeah he uses his windows a student at like that like that's the programming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2512">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► anything done it for the first time you can all you need to know is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► word system is still system yet so yeah like you can you can know nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► the language of programming error dat idea program against Alize language of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► course I was thing but you can do nothing about the FBI of her game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► against and just typing system . and just start there and you will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► find unique yeah you're absolutely right and that's the funny thing is watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► him use Xcode crummy intellisense I note I called intellisense for whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► call it and it's gotten better like I remember everyone freaking out at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► they were so excited when they when somebody announced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► when you start typing an assss rather than what was streams yeah I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► trying to remember what the what the bad match was I can do is it was an extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► right or SAT maybe I was trying to form the great for I was going to type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► NSString and as steve Beshear he's annoying as prime minister yeah whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► it was it was dessert because they finally got the autocomplete to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► point that it sort of made sense but it's not a great documentation browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► where is done and you could you really never need to kick open any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► documentation exactly you can just sit there with intellisense and you'll find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► what you like if I'm working index could I have to have an organizer window open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► and I have to have a documentation tab and I'm going over there and searching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► in the search field like every five minutes or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► any kind of built-in you know pop-up automatic documentation is usually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► and no more I don't know looking for exactly and you know i cant are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► completed or or the autocomplete is freaking out because of something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► it showed on a hundred lines up that I don't know about yet and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► snappers I am writing on my code the old-fashioned way I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► auto-completion I just memorize every single freaking function its name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► then the argument that's because it was all my back ends are still in PHP that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► why I write back I'm running it on text made which doesn't really have like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2645">TS</a>]
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00:44:13 ◼ ► please don't email me I really don't care and you know I can write that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► but it's so nice we don't have to and it really is a major productivity booster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► to have things I can tell us a sense that it you know what doing that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► makes a really big difference to coding especially when you're new to a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► or an ATI you're upset and i think is the part of the part of the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► might be there to see such a proposed language and you know method names are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► string by replacing occurrences of string with string with whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► well let's be honest all of pearl regular one of them I think we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► talk about that at some future package at a certain point the host names do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► help understanding everything except once you do get familiar with Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► crazy API naming style then you can start guessing the names of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► before you know them and you can usually gets correctly at least a point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2714">TS</a>]
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00:45:22 ◼ ► the words for the event handlers for a will and did you know all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► like then then at least you have a fighting chance on the prefixes but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► words that come after the prefixes that's this kind of like people writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► all I see is that the order they put like the the adjectives and verbs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► like that there's a rich history of scrambling up the primary things that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► a solution to never do this but like give give a pic cereal named parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► that order doesn't matter anymore you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► be great that would be that would be too much would be different and it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► the market because just today I was tryna remember for the I was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► with my coworker who's learning the language in the API Nostrand remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► wait how do you get a lowercase string it's not to lower thats dotnet no that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► not how it now you know what I bet Apple would do lowercase drink it sure enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► that's according to lower case I don't say it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► early today I was I had an array and I wanted to join with with a string and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► enjoying all the components this trend and so I had the array nicer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► started from the Erasmus having strength by AM pretty sure that was corrected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► stream by joining components with string something like that and you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► I I am familiar enough with Apple styles able to guess that method without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► looking it up and I was right and so once you it's and Interface Builder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► once you get it then you can see oh ok I can see why they thought that made sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► and now it makes sense to me and now I'm past it but don't want her to see dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► euless rule so I understand that there were both naming thing that someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► has never seen Objective C before can look at that and guests that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► taking a string and joining a bunch of other strings with some of the string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► like you know me but the visual the mental visual space that that call takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► up as compared to like as equals a dot join and then single quotes the joining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► string like maybe someone doesn't know what that means but once you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► language and no little bit about the basics of the API it's just that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► why people that's what people are literature for both things not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► we're loading so much bad but because there's a there's a limited common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► vocabulary that people feel like should not be that verbose because it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► so often right and that's why a lot of Objective C code looks like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► visual stuff like squint a lot of black on the page for doing operations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► you know in some higher-level more dynamic language like Java Script even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► or a pro review Python would just be so much sup take up so much less room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► be so much faster to scan because you wouldn't have to read I mean like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► replace substitute instead of the big English sentences with stuff paying off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► although English sentences are substantially easier to read if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► aren't familiar with the API they're calling a trip outside like this there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► a there's a subset of like really super common functionality so I guess maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► would have a language course I mean I don't think it's reasonable they call in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► Huffman coding where you take the things you are common and make them concise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► as you get more esoteric you get more verbose so you know the built-in stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► is super duper short lowercase SLC right but there really more esoteric things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► like creating a socket with timeouts and a binding parts of that is proposed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► this big name parameters and everything's long spelled out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► whereas in Objective C and not the language but the API the cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► foundation guys everything is your vote even like basic string functions even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► like things dealing with numbers and formatted like everything is hosted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► don't say okay people are going to change a string to lowercase way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► often than they're gonna like set up some sort of handler for some event or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► whatever set up an ass notification center right so shouldn't one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► be shorter because it's gonna be more calm to be fair to learn key string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► method is one of the shortest into the long right and substitution durang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► running regular expressions matches and substituting like you know parole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► thought it was important to put syntaxin language right so did sort of JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► kind of put syntaxin language for in a couple of things too but you know ok so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► finally just received the language but the API for things that deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► strings are now don't have any recognition of how come they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► they are just as her bosses everything else although in a string is monolithic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► as hell as well as so many different we are two methods like four paths and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► getting like doesn't have data type things related to URLs and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► it's like a string what do you have to do with your else well I kinda know yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► is that there's a whole lot why do you know about euro corps the core of useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► Foundation Classes like strike in a string and as data as a really there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► so much a weird like ok I want to convert this to this which which object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► has that class has a method which classes and a lot of times it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► one you expected to be it's not you gotta do like it you know and it within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► the past the NSString or do you call american on a string the returns from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► yeah its string to data gets me every time I always assume the wrong one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► the method I need and I always have to spend two minutes looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► documentation I P string to data that's it and I P dated a string which is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► a very common one like when dealing with Web services you get back data to get I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► use those constantly I also have a whole string category the mistake on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► stirrings there is i i stole XPath string functions so I have some stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► before substring after contains and few other little things like that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► are strings and check the news it's just even contains it's a cool way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► compact syntax and it's not found does not equal strength range of string and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► so much more complex I'll definitely a helper for things like that I do very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► commonly URL encoding the the default method of extreme with by replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► percent escapes using incorrect that that big one method to convert a string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► to your own coding doesn't do it right 40 off there is that there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► there's a few characters that that method doesn't include that whatever RFC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► requires does require you to be encoded so I have my own IP URL encoded string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► methods and you end you know so I have weird that just save me time and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► whole idea of having categories on classes is awesome that you can but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► can extend the built-in system classes I think that's also love Rubio monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► certainly can be done badly and also haven't you heard its three letters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► please for third party using a stick with IPB never completed anything having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► to do with the technology exactly I don't understand why there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► namespace I mean I understand be with the runtime I know I know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► spaces like baby steps like all these problems are talking about we solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► that just nice high-level language but you know you know he's been bitching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► about that for you this year's gonna be type in France right so yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► lurching toward something but all that crap with the strings and the data in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► like dealing with stuff like that it's just a completely goes away if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► a language that has I don't need of streams and you know a little more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► less a faire attitude about data types are you can trust you know things around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► and not worry about if it's a floater injury number I you can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► language is useless I know I know all the reasons ejector seat is living on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► its way more efficient and stalin to let you know every must have their cake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► eat it too so right now the top of the cake I honestly I like I'd like to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► and and all that stuff with it I mean it's not perfect at but you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► I think if you if you think any language is perfect you don't know it well enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► or you or you don't have enough experience as a programmer honestly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► and everything that has problems and shortcomings and the nature of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► it's not really possible to design a perfect language and certainly there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► you know I've yet to see it has a lot of ancient baggage that still carrying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► it can probably never get rid of because of the kind of language it is but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► doing some pretty awesome stuff with it like a even simple things like they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► reduce a whole lot of that boilerplate last year when they introduced compact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► syntax for you know array access dictionaries to fight that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► compact primitives like they they they introduced a lot of that stuff that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► can that they are making real progress you know making sympathize optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► you know stuff like that like they go get rid of the double double name stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► with the type of answer your own have to declare the variable being of type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► right you know then call the class method to give you a new one of those I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► don't know I just write that name of course of course that's the class that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► i'm gonna call the method on to instantiate one of those guys that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► type of the variable I can you know so that's my next guest over what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► going to add but like I still feel like at a certain point you can at like eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► of us plus a certain point you can't keep adding crap or fixing crap are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► certain point you need to do as long as it's like a sea-based language you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► always going to have that there's gonna be a pretty pretty hard limit on a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► of these modern niceties that you can add to it but I mean like the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► I C you know putting some dead or until apples at a business is that like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► know now you have core foundation which is just great see and you've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► objective CA Viz never got to deal with core foundation API's like lower level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► and it doesn't have a list of what I you know if they come up with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► higher level than objective seat which I think high-level languages is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► appropriate for most of the stuff you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► catching events figure out when they click this button bring this view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► interview like that crap does not need to be in a sea-based language just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► just like monkey work of connecting up things and you are but there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► will always be parts of it that need to be in a lower level language so then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► have like 10 you like most of my coat and whatever this high-level languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and then some portions of an objective CBC so much more efficient and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► presumably some portions a stolen car foundation like it's a layer cake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► like alright well the OpenGL crap you know still a straight capi guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► really probe insensitive and then somewhere in the middle of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► that's like it's not like high-level you I dealing with but you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► little bit lower level and then at the top you rewrite overall structure at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► most the time writing this very huggable language I could see them going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► something like that I think those are very well though in the Indies like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► early years of of mobile computers because he knows so well that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► they've benefited so much from just the sheer efficiency of these of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► sea-based languages with the things that things that benefit them early suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► become right disadvantages late exactly then suddenly everyone else is less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► efficient language like the TPS ketchup and it's like all of that but that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► but now not so much right now it can now that it that advantages in significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► if not know if webOS came out five years from now it would have a better chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► the market because it would knock slow every every wouldn't be complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► about its terrible battery life in 10 terrible performance you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► wouldn't be that big of a difference from anything else that was out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► and I can drive in dramas disgusting right but like it in Tennessee it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► using high-level language and it was slower for a long time and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► arguably Iowa still has the performance events there but the gap is really close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► at you know hardware is getting better there's more memory that the there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► more stuff to indulge jobless foibles and if you if you believe that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► things you don't have to worry about in Java like you know segmentation faults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► and crap like that are an advantage then suddenly Android platform in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► particular respect becomes more attractive development you know to doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► your development so you don't have to learn about arc you don't have to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► about our appointment for crying out loud is weird start for a variable names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► that new program I have no idea what they're there for nearly breaks when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► they forget her apple and the continuum of things that make someone go on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► platform or not the crappiness is language is very low on the list as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► evidenced by the fact that all these bazillion people suddenly learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► Objective C because that's where the money exacto alright we'll learn your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► crazy ass language with square brackets just got to my way and that's always how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► it's been accepted the web on the web you can write in pretty much anything as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► long as you can find some service offered to run it so the web has has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► tons of great languages to choose from and it really matters when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► writing but on a native platforms as always been like one language that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► every end and one framework on every major native platform where like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► really should be right things in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► that and you know windows for a long time with has been C++ and then more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► recently it's moving into dotnet stuff you know s10 has always been Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► IIS injector seal their heads for the framework so you know there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► always like that that that pushed if you want to help on this platform you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► really be doing in this language everywhere except the web so if I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► with that is a very interesting point my my question for the to you gentlemen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► it if you pick the lab if you were to pick the language today that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► replace or or supplement Objective C what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► john has all you my water my criteria like what what what realistic bounds to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► have to stick with it here it has to be language that exists today which by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► way I don't think Apple would necessarily play by that rule it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► has to it has to prevent John Siracusa from continuing to bitch about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► languages are available from the possible platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► no no choices will get him to complain as little as possible which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► extremely lofty but theoretically plausible this is a good question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► because it makes me realize all this time I've been talking this I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► been pushing for Apple to adopt any existing languages have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► thinking the day will do their own thing like pretty much as they have been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► Objective C at this point is their own thing like it may have started out as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► the old like at this point but whatever whatever crazy taken version number they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► apply to language they've changed it so much they completely fearless about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► changes I always imagined what everything replaced it would also be at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► their own invention exactly tailored to what they need a language too and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► language like there's no language out there that I like well enough to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► they should just do that one like and I and I think you're right and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► they would do their own thing but then that John Siracusa guy would continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► complain about the fact that everyone has to learn this we never complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► about learning I've never made a single complaint about you gotta learn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► language well here's an idea what if they are doing it already let if he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► similarly how Objective C in its first implementations was basically a macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► language on top of see is that accurate I've always heard that in a C++ ok I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► don't think so I think it was see anyway plus plus was was see with classes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► it was this yes that is also true but I think Objective C started at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► way I don't always have to have a runtime right i mean it wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► macro library of CO 2 dunno somewhere Objective C message that had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► written content library to call me anyway so Objective C started out as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► like a bolt on top of C and it has matured a lot since then and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► the series are still all there but now he know the tools you'll never get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► see the compilers for all native Objective C rivals riding like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► they're they're doing you know that is the language now what if their next big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► language is what they're doing with Objective C now that's moving towards it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► and then at some point in the future they enable some kind of new syntax mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► where it adds a lot of stuff that we want it adds a lot of the complex stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► it hides pointers and things like that don't want a lot built on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► directive see temporarily or version one and then over time is at least you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► to drop into that syntax to use some low-level API is but most of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► will be available right there like I think I think they're moving if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► were going to replace this language in five years I don't think they'd be put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► in as much effort into it now you know they're doing radical changes to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► the the the Objective C without the C thing seems to be the path are going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► but this is not entirely satisfied me I'm sure they're taking into account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► with their plans but they are you listening right now you know the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► who are making decisions on what to do disagree with me about the about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► the ideal situation but I think they would be perfectly happy to slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► evolved as a QCD eventually bifurcated into abject receiver that the C part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► County then it is and you could have an unsafe you know sort of realm and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► most people eventually get most people doing their coding in the safe part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► where you can't scribble your own memory where you just calling to Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► API's and just use the escape hatch for the other stuff but I really like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► mentioned I really think that ideally and of course you can have the idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► ideally a higher-level language with more safety guarantees and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► fussiness about types wouldn't just me know we got that language are all set it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► would also necessarily imply different API like in a language with built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► strings you don't NSString doesn't exist is not you don't stand she had a class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► to get a string in a language that has native strengths and in a language that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► has you know language level support for regular expressions that's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► library or call but not like as things get pulled into the language you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► necessarily change the way API works whole whole concept of API's change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► based on what language support so you that's why I like these bridges are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► terrible like if you have Python have some amazing you know pythons high-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► language but you just call the same for you guys and they don't they don't mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► it seems like quite know what ever write a pipeline a parent like this it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► clear that I'm calling into an Objective C API not just because of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► inventions but just because of like you know you know right out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► error parameters are you pass in an error and its gonna write back to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► like that like that doesn't happen in high-level languages cuz you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► you could you pass references and language reference but it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► that's not how you design the API and like some hole and a string wing of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► language just disappears and you know and then like maybe like Ruby have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► the strings be objects and methods on them which is not the same thing I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► really I could say new strength and putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► I just feel like the language in the API are our match set and you can't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► without changing the other if you change language sufficiently if you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► evolving this language to the point where it starts to become a higher level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► and more safe and less work for the developer it will be a shame if the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► still looks like oh why is a powerhouse well used to be was just the sea-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► language and this is the way everything will see that that I'm not sure I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► there because everything you just described as dotnet early still my ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► and and I it's weird because I have no love for Microsoft but I do think don is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► actually pretty cool language and in to a.net developer you generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► can use the win32 API without ever touching C C++ or C because dotnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► consumes all of that and access the bridge and I don't even when I'm calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► into these API's I don't need to worry about pointers on hand but i dont need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► two generals piano need to worry about any of that crap because dotnet has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► encapsulated all of it in and is putting a facade in front of its own have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► worry about that that being said if I have an old capi that I wanna call C++ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► API wanna call i campi invoke into it and I can say hey there's a deal here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► here's the structure of the method I need to call in and I can even do it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► safely and I have an unsafe keyword where I can manage my own memory and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► that crap so everything you just described believe it or not is done now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► I am I dot net and I think a.net is way far ahead of where Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► technologically speaking maybe not necessarily AP Iowa's because Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► seems to have more trouble figure out what it wants out of an API sticking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► it I remember what what iteration of you know how you use this tool kit for you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► say they have no problems there but like the CLR and the whole idea behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► that is a foundation that if Apple had that foundation now and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► performing the need to put as much time into it is Windows had they would be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► a much stronger position to say look everything is common language runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► and we have all these cape hatteras run safe and we can put new languages on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► and you know a python the CLR is just straight up Python you write your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► write your Python functions having a private party money be I have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► bridges but hopefully they don't just two straight bridges they do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► rappers are different than British rapper is like I wanted to hide all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► stuff that's irrelevant high-level language and rappers have a cost in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► terms of performance but there is more better semantics than than bridges yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► absolutely and that's what I'm used to seeing a bunch of rappers and facades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► that that under the hood are doing p.m. folks all the nasty crappy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► I have to do but to me i'm just calling system . whatever that whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► thing like this event has that the API that it's wrapping is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► like 132 as compared to like our foundation it's not real it's all so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► that they there does wrapping rappers of rappers because in the very bottom is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► this is terrible slime the New Orleans a touch it's true but you don't answer my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► question if you were to pick today at language today what would you pay to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► the pic prospects even though it doesn't really exist kind of sort of it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► of a cop and if you don't really know what's so bad about it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► well I mean I know what's so bad about the language I just don't know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► do better on the implementation language existed suspect is just no i didnt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► it doesn't really exist the last half implementation or whatever but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► language wise I think process is the most exciting language that sort of kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► of almost exists I dislike pile on more than I just like Ruby so I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► probably bring in the result I really really do dislike several things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► Ruby pretty vehement Lee because I feel like they should have known better but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► i just like Python more I definitely just like JavaScript more so I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► would have to go through be as much as it pains me to say that as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► have not a fan of Ruby really just totally distasteful to me and JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► nothing about Apple modernizing Objective C and eventually adding this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► new syntax layer on top of it if that's what their plan is that doesn't preclude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► them from also modernizing the ATI's along with that and I mean that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► would have to wrap them they were well temporarily but you know compared with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► the bridge to bridge when it wraps things I agree with everything you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► a bridge sucks because you get these weird you know API is that obviously are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► not written with that new language in mind but that's because bridges usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► written by people who aren't the API platform owners like Apple would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► a new brand new the Java bridge was something that was that was doomed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► you know if Apple decided this is the new thing this new language Larry built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► on top of just to see now on its back by Victor see this now this whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► language layer on top this is our new thing this is the this is the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► forward then within a few years they could have all the replies modernize to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► it are these all the one people actually use on a regular basis are some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► I mean like what you when you would hope is that like I guess you would hope the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► bottom layers roll up eventually like kind of like the assembly assembly has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► been basically rolled up like the original Mac operating system tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► amount of assembly and the amount of Assembly in operation that anyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► two writer deal with or call arranged things just shrug up to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► now it's like a couple device drivers in the current Olin library for doing math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► like it too low and curls up and it's just gone from the operation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► operating system the things dealing with the GUI you know like you would hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► that eventually see part thanks to roll up to now the Objective C fiber let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► start with the C part that like ok well now the sea is only like in the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► online and device drivers or whatever like and it used to be every everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► used to be C you know everything you know if you can't inject you see is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► like I would like to see progress of the high and also rolling up a long visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► you're not you don't do that all you're doing is making putting more layers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► layer cake and that you know it at a certain point like them are now or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► kind of performance here this is a great article that someone should put in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► nonexistent shown us but at a certain point no matter what kind of performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► you get from the hardware if you keep putting layer upon layer cake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► performance won't be a problem it'll be like latency the jury that article from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► John Carmack talking about latency of your head sets no but that's that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► is like we have amazing technology with GPUs and we can do that amazing texture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► fills and cute you know shader operations operating on like millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► and millions of pickles like 15 times per frame we can do is amazing frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► rate and none of that matters because if you can't react to me turn my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► within 20 milliseconds and get a new image in front of my eyes it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► motion sickness inducing until all those great technology we have actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► impairs the ability pieces so many layers and layer cake of like this goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► through this that goes to the the USB thing there and then goes to the did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► know that the input system and then goes to the OpenGL and how to the graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► card comes back down has to be displayed like all the layers we've had two layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► cake you know for this amazing performance skills latency so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► not a direct analogy designers latency the API stuck with the same ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► we can't just keep adding layers and layer cake you have to curl up the lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► ones to you have to pop off the bottom as you had once at the top so that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► kind of progress I'm looking for my lifetime thing you get on that and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► think they're doing that you know we haven't really seen the next big step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► yet but it looks like like based on the actions that we have seen i think thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► a plausible prediction of where they're actually heading they're not going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► the wrong direction it's not like we're you know it's just it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► quibbling about the details like and the and the pace you know mobile set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► everything back a decade or two so trying I understand that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► makes perfect sense right but like you know I would like to see more MORE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► advancement in the high and more coming up to the lower end is just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► road they're taking to it is perhaps more security and slower than than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► especially when I see things like CLR existing position long time it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► this technology was there and you know yeah your entire stock is still better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► than Microsoft's now but like would like the mile thing with this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► something you can do overnight and if you're going to try to do incremental in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► pieces I think he will end up running into a barrier where there has to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► discontinuity somewhere and if there isn't your gonna end up with the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► mongrel at the end of it like age of us plus where you just took the salt thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► and slightly modified a bit of time but never sat down to say okay like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► this new thing we want you know me it's like it's like ViaWest just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► incremental revision of slowly adding mobile site features the Mac OS 10 it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► wasn't they you know they start over conceptually from the UI perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► right I I'm a fan of a kind of clean break and I worry that slowly creeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► up on deck to see without the sea will result in a language that no one can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► love it may be that will never hurt Apple set aside a big deal as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► you're doing great marketing everything but that's what appeals to me so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► it's like a philosophical difference and I'm obviously I'm probably more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► idealistic you not being the person whose job is to make the decision for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► big company in the world or whatever and you can also question I think it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► considering like is it too late to do something like that like are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► systems so complex are are these devices an API is so feature rich and so mature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► it like is it wouldn't be too big undertaking for that and never it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► never too late never two I mean if if anything I would say when is the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► that you should be thinking about this it's when you're like at the height of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► your power because you try to do it like on your way down like promise like ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► I could borrow a Sox we should make an all-new on like too little too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► rammed into me likey you got it so whatever their plan is like they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► plan like if it takes some longer and they do it in a small series of steps or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► whatever but like you know that if the company will go out of business or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► day will come when they need to have this better higher level thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► they're either going we'll have arrived at through a series of small steps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► perhaps ended up at the destination is not quite as pretty as if they had made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► a larger disk discontinuous jump but you know I doubt there I think I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► only the only thing I wonder is perhaps we should pay a little more attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► any mentions of LLVM in claiming it at WTC because it seems to me they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► going to sneak in a new language or somewhere new framework or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► like that I would suppose that we would see traces of that their first like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► archive believe was if I'm not mistaken was a building built off of the static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► analysis that was in one of the two of these guys in and I'm opening up a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► new can of worms I don't open but I am just curious to see what LLVM inclined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► are doing over read lately and what the what will be announced that really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► type inference because it's like a natural progression of what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► doing they pretty much almost have the metadata in there for a stock analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► combined with you know the knowledge required to make our quirk that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► seem like they could do some reasonable time it may be is not enough bang for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► the buck maybe this occasion we could do Thai beverage but it's not such a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► win to be worth the confusion so we're just gonna bail but assuming they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► actually think it's worthwhile it's an obvious next step of things they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► to make it easier to type less crap but you're not really changing the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► like you know it's not change its language really just like how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► the type you must also know you do like auto or bar where the hell were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► used to indicate that you know it's it's clear from the code just you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► then and also I think the pace of those improvements has increased dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► yeah what they want they got totally free of GCC right now we're seeing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► explode like received like this past year that are all those little shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► in so many little benefits like just in one year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► you know and they still see full-size 11 kind of weighing them down like they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► out from under GCC but they still need to do a lot more to like fully support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► the monster language that is C++ though like that that probably still absorbs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► lot of their time like finally nailing down all the little crazy as C++ is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► like the point is the GCC GCC much like C++ compilers that have been compiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► productive last for a long time are still ahead of her claims evils of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► support was as if like a year to go maybe they've closed the gap now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► like it's a lot of work and it's it's kind of annoying work was like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► barely uses C++ compared to like how much for example and so we gotta makers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► to become policy but we know we don't care about this language really like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► have enough support for our stuff what it was like alright but if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► trying to be a popular widespread compiler and you have to you know make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► it supports if even that much and enemies all the stupid esoteric readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► important stupid projects food bill Brewster whatever they don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► problem now but they did early on and if you can't support the new vehicles 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► landers and also the crap you know that's that's still in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► like ketchup stuff to do before they can grow totally fly free C++ oxtails thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSxzW1g/4705">TS</a>]