The Accidental Tech Podcast

52: Necessary But Not Sufficient

 

  I'm drinking tea tonight I think Diggnation [TS]

  it's like if not I know it's not actually the nineties but that's like [TS]

  the nineties equivalent of internetworld Diggnation yeah yeah so you guys really [TS]

  mean casey you really honestly don't know Diggnation is or was I heard of it [TS]

  but I never paid attention to it did you use a computer in 2006 [TS]

  have we not already completely established that both of us myself [TS]

  especially have no knowledge of anything that either view considers worthwhile I [TS]

  guess but i mean you're you're least a nice guy [TS]

  established it was like me and then you too and in another camp over there ya [TS]

  dig nation was a podcast so let's talk about Facebook paper yeah I talked about [TS]

  last week that was the start of a movie in the crash and all those bad things [TS]

  and we talked for about the app itself but I haven't really used it for more [TS]

  than a couple seconds so after podcast are some time in the past week I tried [TS]

  to use it some are footing around doing stuff and it keeps interrupting me with [TS]

  Mike video and audio instructions to tell me what I should do in any given [TS]

  screen like it's bad enough when you get the coach marks you know like that like [TS]

  the iPhoto style thing I would ever wear or sometimes on startup and sometimes at [TS]

  the head of the bottom of the show sort of black magic marker kind of drawings [TS]

  with arrows like someone wrote on your screen like it's a whiteboard and Comic [TS]

  Sans text telling you like this is worse because its audio it's like you soon [TS]

  you're trying to use your thing and someone starts talking to you in this [TS]

  little animation come the screen swipe to the right to get to the next thing [TS]

  it's like okay alright whenever you don't know what to do to make it going [TS]

  is no excerpt presidency it's like do I have to do is telling me but eventually [TS]

  goes away I'm like ok I'll tell you this I go to the next screen it says you can [TS]

  move this up for like no stop talking to me stop its I know it's trying to be [TS]

  helpful but now I think it's over the line of like it maybe some [TS]

  would find a startup animation or movie interesting or charming for the very [TS]

  first time you launch the app never see it again but if it's like this like a [TS]

  pause is like now you get to use the app and you start using it and then it says [TS]

  by the way I'm still here this disembodied voices animations and then [TS]

  it goes away again and keep using the app and then you are in another new [TS]

  screening nothing pops up that really really bothered me and I think that is [TS]

  it's trying to be helpful but it's failing it's like the worst kind of help [TS]

  if I had asked for that if I asked for a guided tour sure but if I'm just you [TS]

  know if I think i've i've passed through the front door of the splash screen and [TS]

  I'm really using the app and keeps interrupting me no good so I get a big [TS]

  thumbs down [TS]

  it seems like these I mean you know we're in this area now [TS]

  of these very highly progressive experimental gesture-based interfaces [TS]

  and so many apps really mostly on iOS let's be honest but you know so many iOS [TS]

  apps and I kind of feel like you know gestural interfaces are are really [TS]

  appealing to designers because they can look amazing they can be really cool [TS]

  users who get used to them can love them but it's it's really really hard have [TS]

  any kind of affordances that also look good and that that are discoverable and [TS]

  so you end up needing things like this on any like you know people universally [TS]

  I've heard people love paper this paper they're not the ideal of the other one [TS]

  kind of in the lesson ever heard of but they love this one [TS]

  the Facebook one and a lot of that is because it has this this like new [TS]

  experimental you know progressive gestural interface but if you have to [TS]

  tell people how to use it with these things like to me that that's just so [TS]

  annoying its actual its actual failure of design really and I wonder like their [TS]

  periods in in software fashion where you can point to really tacky things that [TS]

  worked that kind of like where I conduct of that era like the flash inter [TS]

  appeared on websites [TS]

  you know or in this or clipe in Microsoft Office and I wonder if this [TS]

  this is that thing for our current era is like that the stupid over later you [TS]

  have to show a little tutorial videos a little little interest you have to show [TS]

  on on gesture-based iOS apps because nobody could figure out of looking at [TS]

  them what to do and I wonder if we're ever gonna move past that I mean this is [TS]

  this is a big problem in all gesture-based interfaces because the NHS [TS]

  a keyboard shortcuts gestures are are just as discoverable as keyboard [TS]

  shortcuts for the most part actually in some laser little bit less but there's [TS]

  no there's no list at least you can open the menu new can eventually some people [TS]

  figure out the whole thing is next to the commands tell you the keeper target [TS]

  anyway so you know I wonder I wonder if we're gonna move past this really and [TS]

  and how long will it be until we look at an app like this that that is so like [TS]

  you know to cleverly designed for its own could almost it it's so it's so [TS]

  different from what we have both had before that it has to have all these [TS]

  overlays and he's helped dialogues which we've seen in a paper for the last few [TS]

  years but it just seems like a really bad hack it seems like a really terrible [TS]

  design flaw to have to require these things [TS]

  papers the first one to interrupt to me like I'm used to having it be something [TS]

  you go through an initial launch or having to be something you asked for on [TS]

  demand not used to thinking I'm through with that part of the first launch [TS]

  experience proceeding to use the app and then having it come back [TS]

  unprompted and say I've gotta tell you something else now and then have you go [TS]

  away again and then having it come back like that it's it's not even so much the [TS]

  audio and video that is great it's the if the idea that you're never free of it [TS]

  like I know how long it goes on to say keep reminding you when does it decide [TS]

  that I've that I know that you swipe up to do this thing or swipe left and right [TS]

  to do that [TS]

  think that that's terrible but for the gestural you eyes I think one of the [TS]

  problems I don't think people really solves this is you really need to have [TS]

  some kind of model doesn't necessarily have to be physical model but it has to [TS]

  be a model that matches up with most of users mentally where [TS]

  the motions being something can have some sort of connection and it's really [TS]

  difficult to do that i mean you can see it in the border in paper and other apps [TS]

  so paper like left and right is how you go through things and that's alright so [TS]

  they lined up left to right to go from side to side that's that in itself is a [TS]

  little weird because most of us use the vertical scrolling but it's growing but [TS]

  I can handle that but then they have the thing we're like folds over itself when [TS]

  you push upwards to see like if you want to see more on this limbo like this [TS]

  little panel folds down and there's no sort of analog in real life certainly [TS]

  not in the physical world and not many computer you eyes that would indicate to [TS]

  you that that is a memorable motion for Argo push-up push down on that doesn't [TS]

  that you really need to have some kind of connection to hang onto the only way [TS]

  you can get away with not doing that is if it's that people use obsessively and [TS]

  constantly and they'll just learning because I use it all the time and maybe [TS]

  Facebook has that going for that people can use it all time and eventually those [TS]

  motions but it becomes second nature kind of like your favorite Twitter app [TS]

  everybody knows is which way slide to to see the conversation is in which way [TS]

  slide 2 replies and it's different in different order after whichever one you [TS]

  use all the time you get used to it but it really helps to have a physical model [TS]

  kind of like the webOS cards metaphor or the the iOS 7 task switcher where you [TS]

  can kind of envisioned them as individual entities that you can throw [TS]

  off the screen or something like that some kind of thing to hang your hat on [TS]

  his otherwise I imagine if every app was like paper I think eventually you get [TS]

  confused and your thumb would be like oh I thought it was slight left but a slide [TS]

  right and you don't have to think about an unconscious level and you like what [TS]

  is slide up in this app is that show more detailers that get rid of this item [TS]

  and how do I get back to where I was that slide to leftward I pulled down and [TS]

  you only have a few access to work with and especially this whole screen grab [TS]

  the whole thing gestures is this really you know it's everybody fighting over up [TS]

  left right and down known as the guts to really do 45 degree angle 40 bucks the [TS]

  rectangle but anyway no worries have the guts to do it specific angles but I mean [TS]

  eventually maybe that's going to come it's gonna be a revolutionary new thing [TS]

  not only can you fold it up and make some new panel come out and fold it down [TS]

  to make it up over and pulled it left to right to make twisty slide but 45 that [TS]

  folds up into little Swan and flies away [TS]

  it's really difficult than I i wud contested since I use enough different [TS]

  Twitter apps and app that net apps and everything that occasion I do flick [TS]

  their own direction so I wanted reply but I got show conversation because it's [TS]

  different in different apps and there's nothing particularly writer lefty about [TS]

  show conversation in reply [TS]

  you know physically speaking yeah what's this route metrics thing that one of you [TS]

  added I glanced at this earlier and it actually very interesting but their [TS]

  member on the last show I think I mentioned about Google like a project to [TS]

  do with all its Android phones is it could measure the you know the signal [TS]

  strength in the data throughput of various ISPs in the report that back to [TS]

  Google so you have an idea of like if I live in his exact spot in this house and [TS]

  I work in this building right here what service has the best throughput and the [TS]

  best reliability and you know like that type of information as the only [TS]

  information you can get if you have tons and tons of people all over the country [TS]

  in various locations because you can't just have like one person each city you [TS]

  really wanna know specific data and after mentioning the show someone whose [TS]

  name I lost sorry sent me the URL this place called metrics and this is [TS]

  apparently company and that's what they do they send people around to test the [TS]

  connectivity various different ISPs from different places all over the United [TS]

  States and I guess also the UK and they said they've driven over a hundred and [TS]

  thirty-two thousand miles and done [TS]

  3.5 million tests you can look at their website its route metrics dot com [TS]

  they're not a sponsor I read through their methodology and their claims that [TS]

  it seems like they're doing it right [TS]

  like the not affiliated with any network as far as I can tell if they are they're [TS]

  hiding it very well and they they try to be objective [TS]

  make sure they have enough samples to be statistically sound so apparently is a [TS]

  good idea in someone's are you doing it so if you want to find out I guess you [TS]

  go to this website I had exploded website enough to know is this an app I [TS]

  downloaded a service I sign up for whatever it is it seems like they have a [TS]

  nap so it says that they have driven actually 540,000 miles they've tested [TS]

  937 markets well I'm assuming that means they have done that but additionally you [TS]

  can download their app into a test and I'm assuming that's how they aggregate [TS]

  all of all of the consumer information like you were describing is that the [TS]

  ideas all download this app ballroom all tests are reporting that I wanna meet in [TS]

  C and they will add that to their database info and they point out the [TS]

  things they don't do user surveys asking people how they think the conductivity [TS]

  is because that would be terrible and they emphasized that they have people [TS]

  look at the statistics and making sure that they've achieved a proper level [TS]

  significance and all the goods from from the five minute I spend on the website [TS]

  look it looked interesting I'm glad someone is doing that right next I had [TS]

  this iPad pros listener Mike Z wrote in asking you know we were talking about [TS]

  the iPad pro and moving towards needs of their people and everything else has to [TS]

  get better and Mike Z said are you sure that usability is infinitely approval [TS]

  one of computers including mobile platforms just aren't for everyone and I [TS]

  thought this was worth considering because it we have faced a similar issue [TS]

  with programming languages and programming in general where for a while [TS]

  especially late nineties even before that really but for a while they were [TS]

  these efforts to to bring programming to every computer user [TS]

  you know everyone can be a programmer and there were these efforts to make [TS]

  simpler in simpler languages added more and more stuff for you or you know had [TS]

  experimental types of sin taxes and commands and and were were very simple [TS]

  and really made for everyone and the reason why everyone isn't a programmer [TS]

  today is not because the Lang design simple enough [TS]

  it's because programming just conceptually programming is complicated [TS]

  and even if you don't have to do that much to tell the computer what you are [TS]

  trying to do you still have to deal with the reality of things like the computer [TS]

  is not going to be able to really reliably guess if you don't tell it very [TS]

  well or if you're ambiguous you know it doesn't really deal with that very well [TS]

  or if you don't really necessarily know what you want or you tell it what you [TS]

  want but that's actually not what you want because you didn't tell it [TS]

  correctly it's all these problems that that make programming hard even for [TS]

  those of us who know how to do it and so i think the reality that the conclusion [TS]

  of those kinds of efforts is that you can make programming easier to a point [TS]

  but after a certain point just the inherent nature of the inherent [TS]

  complexity of doing a programming type task does keep a lot of people out of it [TS]

  because they just can't think that way they can't do you think you think this [TS]

  was a nineties phenomenon you should go to the four DL Wikipedia page and do [TS]

  some reading back back from when I was frustrating about programming this is I [TS]

  guess it goes in cycles like anything else but the other was for jails for the [TS]

  big big thing and they were going to make it seid until the next yes you know [TS]

  this is not yet this is not a new thing really but it seems like the kind of [TS]

  died down in recent years as everyone's kind of realize that you know yeah sure [TS]

  you're not perfect these days and there's there's always going to be [TS]

  driven to improve programming languages but inherently programming is [TS]

  complicated and there are these these concepts and realities involved with it [TS]

  that no matter how easy make the language it still has a built-in degree [TS]

  of complexity you can never fully get rid of so so you know back to my [TS]

  question you know where does usability fall into this category you know you [TS]

  know as he asks what of computers just aren't for everyone and I think that's a [TS]

  really interesting point because we we see you know I've been trying for a [TS]

  while now and the show we see issues that apples are into a tie less where [TS]

  the realities of being a computing device get in the way of their pretty [TS]

  abstractions things like you know we talked about storage space being [TS]

  issue and managing photos and backups and stuff like that and how you can [TS]

  assignment walls with that with iOS because they try to make it simpler and [TS]

  better for everyone but then reality kicks in at some point and and and has a [TS]

  problem with that [TS]

  and computers inherently they are kind of complex and it and it doesn't really [TS]

  matter you know even the Chromebook which uses its Web service for [TS]

  everything even that has complexity because you're you're talking about you [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  complexity of data and having data having accounts that you log into or [TS]

  data that you manage the concept of documents and files and where do you put [TS]

  them where are they when you look for them how do you copy stuff move stuff [TS]

  how do you manage things where the stuff backed up where it's backed up all of [TS]

  these things I think are just inherent complexities of computers and even if [TS]

  you have fantastic backup services cloud services cloud interfaces great great [TS]

  interface design I think the reality you're still dealing with this is a [TS]

  computer it does exactly you tell it to and no more for the most part and you [TS]

  know if you tell it save this thing I just typed name at this it'll have that [TS]

  if you can't remember anything anymore the name you're gonna have a hard time [TS]

  finding it lets you browse more than a million things to browse through as [TS]

  you've been doing this every single day for the last ten years like it's theirs [TS]

  inherent complexity and just having data in a computing system and managing it in [TS]

  some way no matter how good the system is so I think well there is tons of room [TS]

  for improvement I think there is a ceiling and when we are we are we are [TS]

  heading out already and I think we can kind of get you know logarithmically [TS]

  closer to it but I think we're never going to asymptotically closer whatever [TS]

  you know the asymptotes in math where to get closer to it but I don't think we [TS]

  ever gonna really be able to break through the ceiling of you know there's [TS]

  this inherent complexity with these things is a bogus question because he [TS]

  starts off are we sure these abilities in Philly approval did any of us ever [TS]

  say it was infinitely approval I don't think anyone said or implied that [TS]

  that's a crazy thing it wasn't really improve both would result in the [TS]

  technological destruction of the world because every single person on the [TS]

  planet will be able to do everything that every computer game ball without [TS]

  you know without any real effort think it think they can make it happen and [TS]

  even just giving current technology that would destroy you know any hack into new [TS]

  killer missile silos because they know that is something they want to do and [TS]

  computers are infinitely infinitely usable but everything obviously but I [TS]

  don't know if there is some sort of you know that some sort of inherent [TS]

  complexity with current technology like given the hardware that we have and the [TS]

  limitations of that hardware how usable can you make it I believe yes there is [TS]

  limit there as well I don't think we're anywhere near here that limit for even [TS]

  giving hardware and hardware is getting better over time so I think that we will [TS]

  always be chasing that and we can always make them more usable bit but more to [TS]

  the point of the iPad pro thing we already seen like maybe computers aren't [TS]

  for everyone totally for everyone if we do not learn the computers for everyone [TS]

  even before smartphones PCs proved that computers are pretty much for everyone [TS]

  in the same way that anything can be forever and yes you have to live in a [TS]

  first world countries can afford a computer but bravely proven that you [TS]

  know given the resources if you give a computer to everybody they can find [TS]

  something useful to do it then yes they're crappy an annoying and they they [TS]

  have problems but saw two cars to houses for clothing so is everything else that [TS]

  regular people can happen smartphones forget it [TS]

  their computers there for everyone so yes computing is definitely for everyone [TS]

  computers can get easier on the current hardware and on the iPad pro thing [TS]

  devices more usable than personal computers I think they are so I don't I [TS]

  don't see why I kind of series getting out here but I think it's kind of a [TS]

  strong man and doesn't really shed any light on the question you're asking for [TS]

  the things we do all agree that iOS devices are easier than prosecutors how [TS]

  much easier whatever I think we also agree that computers are for everyone [TS]

  even if they may be annoying to prove its proven by the existence ever [TS]

  everyone has one now almost everyone has one so I didn't find this question as [TS]

  enlightening as market [TS]

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  ok so somebody has added lap hebard saga which show notes which one of you is [TS]

  noncommittal about talking about all I added it I'm committal the question mark [TS]

  was just to allow you guys to refer to reject the topic I don't know that [TS]

  there's much to say which means net take a look at the time stamp now and we'll [TS]

  come back and say well that was good in an hour but I mean it seems to me like a [TS]

  like a guy a kid we know how will filter is 28 or 29 something one of those I'm [TS]

  barely older so I can see kid with a kid that I wrote this tried to do something [TS]

  that people say may or may not be good but certainly was popular and didn't [TS]

  like the aftermath which to some degree I think it's very small degree I think [TS]

  the three of us can sympathize with well not john Kitzhaber much john but you and [TS]

  I can sympathize empathize with that Marco and John is evident in the App [TS]

  Store either also true so yes they put something in the App Store everyone you [TS]

  know went beserk about it both good and bad and then he pulled it because he [TS]

  wanted to go back to it easy in normal world never got mad about that like I [TS]

  feel bad for the guy I guess is what I'm trying to say it just seems like a [TS]

  really crummy situation that didn't have to be yeah that's that's kind of why to [TS]

  topic I mean the game itself was basically a mean like it wasn't like no [TS]

  one actually real [TS]

  he loved it as like oh my god this is the most amazing game ever they but its [TS]

  is it is like funny addictive game and I think it wasn't really I'm sure when [TS]

  this guy made this game I'm sure he did not expect to be number one in the App [TS]

  Store and and I i checked I'm a little earlier and I and I checked using our [TS]

  friends at figures do not have an account there you can look up the [TS]

  rankings for a Japanese store so I checked to make sure and it was still [TS]

  number one it was number one for many days straight beforehand and it was [TS]

  number one at the moment to get off the store I mean has this ever happened [TS]

  before where somebody who had this extremely high profile ASAP in the [TS]

  middle of its massive live popularity close up the store for you know it [TS]

  wasn't a legal reason as far as we know it wasn't you know it wasn't like any [TS]

  compelling reason except that he was he just couldn't take the mirage of of hate [TS]

  and flames that he was getting the attention he was getting as a result of [TS]

  being that opposition why was he getting paid in flames he so people were looking [TS]

  like he was getting hundreds and hundreds or possibly thousands of [TS]

  Twitter message is that once you figure out your name using tons of messages [TS]

  saying like you know damn you for getting me to do this game I've lost my [TS]

  life because of this game I have lost hours to this but those are but those [TS]

  are like supposed to be funny like those aren't really well but a lot you know a [TS]

  lot of people online are not funny in their criticism I saw when he said he [TS]

  was gonna pull it then he started to get the actual crazy threats but that's only [TS]

  because people don't understand what pulled from the App Store means I have [TS]

  to imagine that they don't understand because obviously if they carry all that [TS]

  they've already got it and play it from the store doesn't take away from them [TS]

  people understand that but it's it's a shame that people are so terrible but [TS]

  they are and any time you are high profile in any way you get more exposure [TS]

  to the good and the bad and like he this is just some guy presumably and he [TS]

  didn't like it and wasn't prepared for it and he pulled out of it I don't think [TS]

  it's i mean it's terrible but I see they can we also terrible stuff like that all [TS]

  the time doesn't make it better and like I think the I think the story is the [TS]

  phenomenon of the game and the person's reaction to it is kind of like the [TS]

  reaction lots of people have lots of people will do something online that [TS]

  gets a little tiny bit of notoriety and they got lots of negative feedback about [TS]

  it and how they react to it depends on what you said that they are used to [TS]

  getting lots of negative feedback to strangers to have the ability to not [TS]

  look at it and not worry about it we talked about this before about how you [TS]

  deal with negative feedback from people and there's a scale doll is obviously [TS]

  his scales massively bigger than someone who writes a blog post if you feel free [TS]

  to complain about but everyone has different tolerances so the individual [TS]

  personal story of how he handled crazy internet criticism [TS]

  I'm not interested in in that as I am in the story of how random game rocketed to [TS]

  the top of the charts in the App Store and you know why that happened and [TS]

  Tripoli there's a Game Room interested in debating the merits of the game [TS]

  itself but it seems like the human interest story is dominating the news [TS]

  these days like when you put down this the floppy birth saga I think people [TS]

  understand that phrase to mean you know let let's talk about this guy's feelings [TS]

  and terrible things that have been said to him over the internet versus let's [TS]

  talk about the game because I think people are over the game part well I i [TS]

  think there's there's two stories here there's a article on Forbes they [TS]

  interviewed him in and they claim the article he said that he took it down [TS]

  because it was an addictive product and that's a problem so it's it's best to [TS]

  get rid of it and I've read a few things I didn't have a whole lot of time I read [TS]

  a few things today talking about you know the differences in cultures here [TS]

  this this is the guy in Vietnam [TS]

  mom and and the the culture over there about around video game addiction is [TS]

  very different than it is here and apparently video game addiction is [TS]

  actually a pretty serious problem for a lot of fraud of Asian countries and and [TS]

  and so it's you know it's looked upon almost away like alcohol addiction is [TS]

  here is is like serious and so to to make something for everyone is telling [TS]

  you they're addicted to it is is a more serious thing you know here it's a fun [TS]

  lighthearted thing you know there's more serious that's kind of bad but I think [TS]

  one story here is the story of basically harassing this guy and and I mean it was [TS]

  it wasn't just people saying it was addictive it was like all sorts of [TS]

  stories going up on major websites and like this is the worst game ever made [TS]

  and it's popularly just trashing the game and and it's a real it was a real [TS]

  iPhone I actually I actually downloaded it after he said he was going to pull it [TS]

  out like well I might as well get it so i atleast know what I'm talking about [TS]

  but so you know one problem is the flames that went into force in the sky [TS]

  to take this down basically end and that's that's a pretty serious cultural [TS]

  problem but I don't think it's one we can really deal with easily [TS]

  unfortunately the other interesting story about this is why did this game [TS]

  get so popular and and the reactions that other iOS developers and other game [TS]

  developers have had as a result and I think that's potentially even more [TS]

  interesting because like to me and I posted it to me this it's very obvious [TS]

  like a popular it's because it was like cute and charming and kinda crappy [TS]

  really crappy but it was it was exactly what succeed in the App Store it was [TS]

  quick it was simple there was no learning curve you play at 46 seconds [TS]

  and be done to play at Natick you want to like it was and you just launched it [TS]

  and for the most part is launching it goes is not a million different splash [TS]

  screens there's not a huge menu system like console games stupid things there's [TS]

  not there's no in-app purchases and it's free [TS]

  it just has topped hardly ever even popular [TS]

  desired as apparently a terrible federated the scale like it it was it [TS]

  was exactly what succeeds in the App Store it was kinda retro kinda kindest [TS]

  you know kinda knew it was of course have succeeded and the game developers [TS]

  are all linked so upset because they put so much more time and money into their [TS]

  game and that most of them don't do this well but I think what this really is is [TS]

  kind of a wake-up call to the game industry saying look you know this this [TS]

  is the kind of thing that does well this is the kind of thing people actually [TS]

  play and download on the AppStore and so all you guys out there you know trying [TS]

  to try to make like really really high budget productions need really deep [TS]

  games trying to sell into this particular market or people who are [TS]

  trying to come up with an app purchases and and and try to you know [TS]

  psychologically screw people that way you're like that you're trying to do all [TS]

  that in a market where this is the kind of thing succeeds and that's very [TS]

  frustrating to hear I imagine don't you think there's tens of thousands of other [TS]

  games that all those criteria like I would say but there are no I know before [TS]

  that like i'm saying that may be necessary for a massive abscess but it [TS]

  is not sufficient far from an interesting question and i think is why [TS]

  did this particular terrible addictive application that has nothing to it [TS]

  succeed when the tons of other pre-existing applications that all those [TS]

  same criteria didn't end it's the you know this so many thousands of thousands [TS]

  of apps something made this particular one snowball right and it may be just [TS]

  you know happenstance like it was some random fluctuation of things that caused [TS]

  this to to snowball out of control it but like I don't think it's anything [TS]

  about the application itself other than having you know having those qualities [TS]

  you describe which I do not think are uncommon I think there are tons of [TS]

  terrible short simple fast play free ad-supported games with addictive [TS]

  mechanics on the App Store but this particular one [TS]

  happened to snowball and I'm not talking about the clones that came after I'm [TS]

  talking about three years before like the App Store so many apps tons about [TS]

  the Phillies criteria and so the devious stories like this some sort of [TS]

  conspiracy going on here [TS]

  the App Store paid reviews or whatever and the more more by now story is we [TS]

  don't know exactly why its noble I guess it could have been any other opposite [TS]

  happened to be this one if someone could track that down to show like the [TS]

  download tree of the individual people and how did this spiral up to be this [TS]

  thing but it's you know I think I think you got it right the first time you said [TS]

  this is a meme how to means become popular there are tons of funny things [TS]

  on the internet time but everyone tomorrow through them catch hold are [TS]

  they funny or more culturally relevant or do they have qualities about them the [TS]

  other means not usually not usually it they're pretty much all one big giant [TS]

  means to in any of them [TS]

  isolation you could say equally dumb equally funny appeal to the same [TS]

  standard base instincts of people why is one massively popular there on the other [TS]

  one not just it's like you know chaos theory it's it's a butterfly flaps its [TS]

  wings somewhere in this guy's game in vietnam goes and that's why it's kind of [TS]

  a tragedy that he gets always negative feedback because it really I don't think [TS]

  he did I haven't seen any agency did anything nefarious to get his rankings [TS]

  so he was like a victim of a tornado or lightning strike and a bad way and that [TS]

  he should he could not have had any expectation that his game would go like [TS]

  this because it looks on the outside before publishing this game you would [TS]

  have found tons of games with all the same qualities that went nowhere and yet [TS]

  his game didn't go nowhere run away to the top and its I would like to [TS]

  understand that phenomenon but I think that I i'm more in favor of the [TS]

  butterfly flapping its wings theory of how this became successful [TS]

  I would I would actually say that it is very clear it's very obvious when you [TS]

  when you sit down and look this game with the exception of the I add [TS]

  occasionally interfering the top part of your view which doesn't even mention the [TS]

  game at all and I don't know how he's making that much money on ads because i [TS]

  dont have a tab on that [TS]

  but with the exception of the other I add the game was actually like [TS]

  impeccably implemented how hard I disagree with it was impeccably [TS]

  implemented to the essence of what makes App Store games addictive and what [TS]

  people actually I think that's what is driving everyone crazy totally disagree [TS]

  what's driving everyone crazy is that they don't want to believe this is what [TS]

  the market is but this is what the market is the market is not this game is [TS]

  not and I understand what you're getting at but you could tap into those same bed [TS]

  instincts and people more efficiently than this game with a better game this [TS]

  is not it's not a terrible game it's not like a piece of garbage gaming he [TS]

  doesn't deserve to have people telling him he made a bad game or anything like [TS]

  that it's just that obviously that is so successful people want to tear it down [TS]

  but where I draw the line is people trying to say that this game to see it [TS]

  because it was good because implementation wise in this game there [TS]

  are many points you could have a game design perspective and even from a let's [TS]

  let's plug into the worst instincts and people and exploit them I would say that [TS]

  terrible rip off you know clone things like candy crush are more efficient and [TS]

  better at and those buns because i dont can request too complicated this was so [TS]

  simple but never again I i think you could go to the App Store and find many [TS]

  games with similar mechanics are very similar maybe I'm going through pipes or [TS]

  whatever may be trying to jump over something but kind of not very well [TS]

  implemented difficult for bad reasons very quick the reason this game became [TS]

  popular is because everyone was playing it and that's you know no one goes there [TS]

  anymore it's too crowded that type of statement makes no sense but seriously [TS]

  the phenomenon here is the snowball that it becomes irrelevant as larger groups [TS]

  of people did you were the only person on the planet and you had access to the [TS]

  entire app store and download this game you would throw it away and not played a [TS]

  lot only interesting because you know this is the game that everybody's [TS]

  talking about it because you can compare your score with everybody else and [TS]

  comparing your school everybody else only happens because everyone else is [TS]

  playing at your not people are playing because awesome like it's it's a [TS]

  self-fulfilling prophecy so that the quality of this game is not what caused [TS]

  it to be the phenomena to get necessary [TS]

  but not sufficient to it had barely the necessary qualities to to be a megahit [TS]

  but that is not sufficient to be a megahit make you look at this individual [TS]

  game and you go back in time he said to floppy birds with any of the other games [TS]

  perhaps some of the better games that fill the same criteria we'd be having [TS]

  this same conversation about them I don't think of quality and that's why I [TS]

  would advise people not to copy the attributes of this game in terms of the [TS]

  implementation for example I call the collision detection it's it's brutal but [TS]

  fair it's it may be fair technically speaking but to give just one game [TS]

  design tips that anyone picked when you die from hitting something good games [TS]

  will show you what where you had to do it to hide that you get too low they're [TS]

  sort of paused the animation long enough to realize their way this one doesn't [TS]

  even do that and that doesn't add to the game that makes the game worse but you [TS]

  know like that that's enough to derail it because everyone's playing this game [TS]

  no one's gonna say why was your birthday to play bridge clone that it does a [TS]

  competent job of showing you where you had something no no one cares about that [TS]

  it's just it an important detail but that does not make this a good game I [TS]

  really think that you're wrong I I think you're right that what carried it and [TS]

  what gave it does massive later boosted what push it into number one was the [TS]

  social effect you're totally right about that I completely agree and also the [TS]

  fact that it had social Game Center leaderboards so you can you can like CNN [TS]

  because it was so hard it's like you can't read beat your friends high score [TS]

  of 6 [TS]

  it so if you want to talk about hard games have you played super hexagon yes [TS]

  but before we go thats all that worked with this game it was incredibly like [TS]

  sticky with people it it it got people engaged into the stupid game and I i [TS]

  think this is where I think that you're not giving enough credit you're totally [TS]

  right the social aspect carried it and boot it up to number one in kept there [TS]

  but what you got what got it the initial attraction at all is because it is a [TS]

  really like fun cute game even though it's terrible it's like [TS]

  it has little like eight bit Mario like graphics it has the cute name flat paper [TS]

  like it you know it's it's a 10 it is [TS]

  execute for for what it is it's very similar to the old helicopter flash get [TS]

  1,000,000 times right and the helicopter flash game was also a terrible game but [TS]

  we hope you'll like what this is [TS]

  he he he did he nailed the formula exactly whether he knew he was doing it [TS]

  and he probably didn't realize he was doing it he whether he knew or not he [TS]

  nailed what people like an iOS and current trends with the eighth pick [TS]

  graphics and the name and everything he didn't tell them though he he barely he [TS]

  barely crossed the bar for them that's what he did not know them he barely he [TS]

  barely limping across the bar of the of the few criteria that matter [TS]

  necessary but not sufficient how many times I have to say that you're still [TS]

  not getting like yeah but he met all the criteria yes he did but some but meet [TS]

  this criteria is not sufficient you'd be the game it's everything else that makes [TS]

  it the game and he just barely made it it's like it's barely competent write it [TS]

  you know it does no progression in the collision detection and the animations [TS]

  are barely sufficient to get the job done when the Game Center banner comes [TS]

  down over the screen it does starter on my iPod touch so it's not like he's even [TS]

  smooth 60 frames per second performance the whole time no one is just it is it [TS]

  is barely sufficient super hexagon is my best example of like a very difficult [TS]

  game that is a good game but did not cross the bars of sufficient bars for it [TS]

  to be massively popular because it is too complicated and too abstract does [TS]

  not have a cute name right [TS]

  yeah it's it's not cute it's not like it it doesn't draw people in states too [TS]

  complicated [TS]

  yeah I mean like that's what I'm saying here is not that he did everything [TS]

  perfectly but they all the elements 22 having a hit he got them all like yeah [TS]

  there's there's thousands of other games in the store that have many of these but [TS]

  very feel they have all of them they have all of them very few have all and [TS]

  that's that's what he got you know they they have all of them and they do them [TS]

  better I really I strongly disagree I've I've downloaded so many games for the [TS]

  title [TS]

  need to be necessary but not sufficient holy cow so many games have like most of [TS]

  these elements and then they really blow one they give it a terrible name or a [TS]

  terrible iconic terrible art style or like the it's just a little bit too much [TS]

  friction to get into it or it's a little too long or a little too I get so many [TS]

  games you know are like 90% there and in the blood less 10% in some way and that [TS]

  keeps them from becoming a megahit and I really think that he had all the [TS]

  elements here he detailed [TS]

  if you had a few at a time machine I would send you back in time before [TS]

  flying bird that has created I would give you a week to make this exact game [TS]

  and then I would laugh is nobody downloaded I couldn't make it I mean now [TS]

  I could now that I some of the copy you could make this go back in time to make [TS]

  make a clone of flapping birds before flight Hebert exists I give you a month [TS]

  to develop it [TS]

  you put it out you probably do a better job with the animations in this did and [TS]

  no more down low and will not become a phenomenon because that's not what made [TS]

  it successful but to sit there languishing at the rest of the crappy [TS]

  free games that have similar qualities I I still disagree but I think we should [TS]

  move well what would you like to talk about we talk more about games before we [TS]

  have responded that when I get there before three hours and talking about the [TS]

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  sponsorship once again speaking of games I had seen the front of the show Ben [TS]

  Thompson a really interesting post about how in-app purchases [TS]

  did you know they're ruining the game industry III was not aware of this and [TS]

  by not aware of this I mean I've been witnessing it so there's this post where [TS]

  they have two links to videos one of them is review the original Dungeon [TS]

  Keeper from from 1997 August has been updated so slightly to run on modern [TS]

  hardware [TS]

  anyways it's this video review of Dungeon Keeper and it's quite long but [TS]

  you get the idea after about five or 10 minutes about what the game is about and [TS]

  then further down on the same post you see a review from the same individual of [TS]

  Dungeon Keeper for iPad Android from this year and that review is about eight [TS]

  minutes and is filled with profanity which immediately I enjoyed it because [TS]

  of that it shows how unbelievably willfully bad the company that put this [TS]

  game out ruined the game and in in short you kinda dig out stop never played it [TS]

  but I guess you did things out in a dungeon go figure [TS]

  and in the original game the game cost you know five or 10 bucks or something [TS]

  like that and you could just play it well in the modern version of the game [TS]

  it costs I thought I don't remember for cost money or not but anyway whether or [TS]

  not it costs money to even get the game when you did things out which is the [TS]

  whole point of the game it's on an artificial time lag so you have to wait [TS]

  a day or whatever it is in order to dig out another square of dungeon and guess [TS]

  what you can pay to make this quicker and even as someone who doesn't play [TS]

  very many games with the exception of threes which i'm addicted to even is [TS]

  very many games console or computer or iOS even I could tell that this was [TS]

  unbelievable and to me the most egregious example of just ruining a game [TS]

  for the purpose of in-app purchases so I know I did you did either you guys see [TS]

  this oh yeah of course it was everywhere [TS]

  John what do you think about this yeah this is a great online market and the [TS]

  analogy I think the explanation for this is the same [TS]

  to make is that the App Store and all that stuff has reduced the barrier to [TS]

  entry for people making games and I don't we all like to think of like the [TS]

  big bad App Store Apple is the gatekeeper and you know we can't [TS]

  sideload apps and they decide what comes on everything but compared to what it [TS]

  used to be like to make games Apple's gate is way more open than other gates [TS]

  were for the most part a couple dozen control for quality as we see from him [TS]

  on the App Store do a search like I mean they control for now we're and like a [TS]

  few things like porn and stuff like that but for the most part if your game [TS]

  compiled and complies with their rules even if it is the worst thing ever [TS]

  they'll put it on the store and announcing it comes to mind is network [TS]

  television used to be there was a limit to access to television it was limited [TS]

  but there was no cables that was limited to the you know the spectrum and the [TS]

  spectrum was not particularly wide for all television technology so you had a [TS]

  sort of an artificial limit but a sort of hard limit due to technology on how [TS]

  many television networks there could be in the united states and the power to [TS]

  broadcasting and television was in the hands of relatively few people who [TS]

  controlled like the major networks only a couple channels and some very powerful [TS]

  people who controlled all that and those few people think of them relatively [TS]

  speaking they were some high minded individuals in some respects in that [TS]

  because there was only four or five or six of them old bald white man somewhere [TS]

  deciding what gets to go on television they could afford to have principles [TS]

  about things that they all sort of agreed on so network TV news for sort of [TS]

  a loss leader but like they felt it was important to inform the public I was [TS]

  probably actually might have been partisan FCC mandated stuff like that [TS]

  where they would they would make news programming that by modern standards is [TS]

  boring but they would tell us that things that we thought we needed to know [TS]

  kind of a paternalistic we know best we control access of the airway [TS]

  waves we have high-minded ideals about what's important for you to know and [TS]

  what is rubbish inefficiency and yeah we run soap operas during the day and all [TS]

  that and I Love Lucy no bus stop but the network news is we're going to really [TS]

  concentrate on this compared to today where there's tons of channels cable has [TS]

  eliminated that the fight for spectrum and open it up too many more networks [TS]

  like CNN during use and all the other things and now this this and the 24 hour [TS]

  news just made it this far much more room for news and increased competition [TS]

  law barrier to entry [TS]

  more news to be made has caused them to compete with each other to figure out [TS]

  what is the people want what they want to see is OJ right around the white [TS]

  bronco and coverage of celebrities and all of those things that we also just [TS]

  terrible that we should be watching but letting more using television flow out [TS]

  has caused this to happen like it is it is freeing up freeing us from the that [TS]

  totalitarian [TS]

  the rule of those few bald white man controlling what we have on and you can [TS]

  no longer afford to have these high-minded ideals cuz if you want [TS]

  ratings you have to show the stuff that people want and it's not like I blame [TS]

  those people from making the content or I blame the people I blame the people [TS]

  who want the content for wanting it it's simply the reduction in friction and the [TS]

  App Store has so massively reduce friction in the market of gaming [TS]

  compared to how hard it was to get a game on a console or how hard it was to [TS]

  get a computer game publishers the friction is so low now that inevitably [TS]

  you see the exact same thing even worse more accelerated just figure out what it [TS]

  is the people want what what what's the what's the equivalent of you know that [TS]

  the trashy 24 hour news channels just show things like Nancy Grace's stuff [TS]

  like that as opposed to like you know the daily use with ted koppel you could [TS]

  afford to be you know more sophisticated and so the question is free ruining the [TS]

  game is free is ruining the game industry in the same way that cable has [TS]

  room news in the same way that to pick an industry that the technological [TS]

  barriers one of my sooner like mcdonald's his room the food industry [TS]

  when you remove all the friction [TS]

  you let everybody compete you will necessarily get a redistribution of [TS]

  quality whereas artificially limited and put some you know people in charge of it [TS]

  they have the power to make it the average better but the number of much [TS]

  smaller when you reduce the friction the number becomes massive the average goes [TS]

  way down but I still think there is more good stuff so overall I think for his [TS]

  not ruin the game history I think there are more good games now than they were [TS]

  before it's just that there are so many more games and so many more games that [TS]

  appeal to the worse than that that's what we see because most people are [TS]

  going to be playing the crappy games that appeal to the worst of them just a [TS]

  lot of numbers but I think there are more better games now than they were [TS]

  before I don't think free is running the game is just seems that way [TS]

  wow I don't even know how I agree well moving on so apparently business happens [TS]

  after hours or gets quietly leaked after hours late breaking Marco shared [TS]

  something with us moments ago apparently comcast is buying time warner because [TS]

  that sounds wonderful does everyone hate Time Warner doesn't everybody Comcast [TS]

  Time Warner more not possible I don't know I think people hate Comcast see [TS]

  i've i've never actually have never lived in a contest area I have lived [TS]

  into time-warner areas and they've been finding no not not great but fine [TS]

  integrate merger when we're debating who was companies more hated all these are [TS]

  american ISPs they're all awful but we don't we don't think those who are files [TS]

  customers we may not like Verizon Wireless for various reasons but I think [TS]

  we're all more or less happy with my girl glad that we have FIOS with the [TS]

  pricing is kind of around the same as what we hear from cable companies and [TS]

  we're happy with the service in terms of reliability and speed the only one I [TS]

  hear better things about is I don't know if this is just because it's one of the [TS]

  few places they visit every year but what used to be cablevision on Long [TS]

  Island optimum online always comes out really high in the rankings of bandwidth [TS]

  and people seem to like it I don't like it that much like the house to rent [TS]

  their that has it it's kind of crappy to me but [TS]

  like it's highly rated but I feared Comcast yes lots of people like this is [TS]

  why but I hear lots of complaints from people I know in New York City area [TS]

  about time warner oh yeah I've actually I had Cablevision's Optimum Online [TS]

  thats they serve Westchester so I've had that two different places and it was [TS]

  fine it was great like it was actually better time warner i hadn Brooklyn and [TS]

  it was it was very clearly oversold and where I was and I and Time Warner in [TS]

  Manhattan I've had it in there in the office we had that briefly in and it was [TS]

  it was pretty bad [TS]

  Manhattan has a problem we're pretty much anything that's not like a [TS]

  thousands of dollars a month dedicated leased line to your office like anything [TS]

  less than that where you guys getting like files or business cable they're all [TS]

  terrible it's for the same reason everything else in Manhattan its its [TS]

  traffic [TS]

  you have way too many people in a way to small area and there's even traffic on [TS]

  the internet but there's too much traffic even for that so that everyone's [TS]

  backhaul and pipes and everything gets overloaded in Manhattan to and buildings [TS]

  are old so a lot of times you only have one choice of what the buildings even [TS]

  would permit already have hookups for its it's a bad scene there but I don't [TS]

  know what scares me about about this this deal assuming that it's real and I [TS]

  would assume that the subject to regulatory approval although the way [TS]

  things have gone in the us- with the FCC and regulatory approval for things like [TS]

  Internet companies urging I don't imagine they're gonna have problems with [TS]

  that I think they should but they won't and so I just think it's said I mean the [TS]

  last thing that we need in the us- is less broadband competition all the [TS]

  people in other countries have been telling us since last week or whenever [TS]

  we talk about net neutrality that I remember which countries there but some [TS]

  some places are currently have laws that if you own the wires you can't run it [TS]

  ISP and that would be an easy and easy way to do things like a common carrier [TS]

  things worth I call you on the wires you have to rent access your required by law [TS]

  to rent them out to other people and then you like grumble grumble or if I'm [TS]

  already from Apple do a crappy job of it [TS]

  day that the Lord has to be split where one company can on both of them seems [TS]

  much better because then the interests are aligned like the company that owns [TS]

  the wires in the business of renting them out and it's not like you have the [TS]

  company that owns the wire that an ISP also was forced by the government to [TS]

  rent them out but always a crappy job and gives the rents out the crappy [TS]

  quality of services it's many systems are better than what we have now and I [TS]

  think preventing the merger I agree that they probably shouldn't be allowed to go [TS]

  forward but the bottom line is like time-warner will probably get better as [TS]

  a result of this and it will give Comcast more power to raise prices [TS]

  screw everybody so it's like not allowing this merger doesn't really make [TS]

  things better it just stops things from getting worse in one respect and [TS]

  possibly better and so we need saying laws on Tekken we won't get it cos we're [TS]

  in america [TS]

  well and there is there is one thing to point out that the child is the chat on [TS]

  Twitter but very happy very happy right now that competition in this instance is [TS]

  weird because the way US-cuba companies work you almost never had never heard of [TS]

  a place where you can choose between two different cable companies in in like for [TS]

  your house or office like usually massachusetts we have three up there [TS]

  really Comcast fires and RCN I think that's still the case I had I had [TS]

  Comcast and files in the same place and RCN cable for running right to my house [TS]

  when I can they all did internet all day all good internet phone television 30 [TS]

  sure yet will usually you'll have one phone company and one cable company and [TS]

  you can you can get things they're both is FiOS for his resin files that you can [TS]

  get TV to a 218 tease you vs them that anyway I don't have any of these things [TS]

  are but nevertheless I'm a rarity but I have three choices I could affect any [TS]

  three of those interested only as hell I could affect all three of them in [TS]

  pictures from the other in television [TS]

  want to obviously they make that you cannot be infeasible but that is a [TS]

  rarity mostly from what I hear it's like all I can get my house is Comcast or [TS]

  something right usually you can choose one phone company with DSL or if you're [TS]

  lucky fiber and one cable companies and that's it and so you know time-warner [TS]

  and and and Comcast or not like so direct competitors are they have to [TS]

  really compete on price because they're usually not competing for the same [TS]

  customers where I think this is bad is in consolidation of you know now we're [TS]

  gonna have even fewer major national ISPs and Comcast which is already I [TS]

  think it was the biggest in the country already Comcast which already has way [TS]

  too much power over things like net neutrality in the you s like a miniature [TS]

  out it starts going badly for us [TS]

  comcast is gonna beat the first company to start screwing people over there [TS]

  gonna jump right on that they have a terrible track record with this date [TS]

  they are just horrible horrible people in that company and so it isn't [TS]

  necessarily the problem of you have less competition for pricing in your area for [TS]

  cable it's the problem of now one company is going to be in charge of even [TS]

  more of the USS clinton broadband like it [TS]

  the number of companies that are representing the entire united us' is [TS]

  shrinking and the NDC like two of the biggest ones that are now going to be [TS]

  become one that's that's pretty bad when I thought it would be just terrible of [TS]

  me not to say that I have had Comcast on at least a couple of occasions and it is [TS]

  without a shadow of a doubt I believe my most hated company other than perhaps [TS]

  airlines it was terrible it was my only only reasonable option and I hated it I [TS]

  hated it at least a hundred times more than the Mac Pro discussion I Wow heated [TS]

  Comcast customer service was awful it was no I would wait for an hour to talk [TS]

  to someone who had no idea what they were doing and no matter what [TS]

  fancy thing I said to them to indicate that I'm not an idiot I would still have [TS]

  to unplug my router [TS]

  and then I would have to do this and then I would have to do that and it was [TS]

  just a freakin nightmare the service was never terribly good rates went up [TS]

  constantly without any notice and without any real reason whenever I went [TS]

  to the local office to like it returned a piece of broken equipment exchange [TS]

  something whatever the case may be was it [TS]

  5050 shot that would actually show up on my bill and I don't have to call the [TS]

  customer service to see ok well I returned this in person to your office I [TS]

  didn't even put it through the mail two weeks ago and yet you're still charging [TS]

  me for this thing that I haven't had for two weeks I cannot even begin to tell [TS]

  you how terrible comcast is whereas by comparison and i know i I know I've [TS]

  talked about how wonderful files as I know no one wants to hear it but just a [TS]

  few weeks ago when I had an issue with I forget which piece that was in the house [TS]

  but it wasn't the router it was something upstream from the router but [TS]

  it was something in the house was like the int or something like that one [TS]

  anyways I said to the person on the phone while you know I would to the [TS]

  router but I've got this this and this problem and i'm looking at the agency [TS]

  and its got this this and the other thing going on and that completely [TS]

  bypassed me through all the stupid drivel and I think the guy even said oh [TS]

  you know what you're talking about alright let's try this just to be safe [TS]

  and I think I talked about this on the show [TS]

  unplug something replug something just to confirm that the outlet itself wasn't [TS]

  an issue which is a perfectly reasonable course of action and then the next day [TS]

  that morning they say what went from an all day you know you have to be home all [TS]

  data because we're not going to tell you when we're coming it ended up that I [TS]

  actually almost got woken up by their phone call to say hey we'd like to fix [TS]

  your problem as soon as possible [TS]

  whereas Comcast was I believe they missed an installation appointment at [TS]

  one point I I'll stop because I could go on forever but I cannot tell you how bad [TS]

  comcast is in the fact that they're buying another major cable corporation [TS]

  petrify speakers whose competitor anymore [TS]

  FiOS is is the AppleTV of the Verizon conglomerate you versus the AppleTV [TS]

  AppleTV of the AT&T conglomerate my parents have it it's very good but it's [TS]

  it's a product like a pet project as far as I'm concerned they use my fancy stuff [TS]

  Charter Communications on if it's even start [TS]

  thing anymore I mean the what what what are the big companies other than Comcast [TS]

  I think you're right market that's basically Comcast and the little guys [TS]

  and that's scary [TS]

  that's not good for anyone and Verizon and Comcast and read this the shady [TS]

  agreement few years ago that basically Verizon agreed to stop expanding files [TS]

  right that can't be legal but good thing about the little guys though like I [TS]

  don't I don't know who owns Cablevision or optimum online or whether I may be [TS]

  there are owned by Comcast but like the little guys have some reasonable chance [TS]

  like they're not gonna be swallowed up by the other ones must they buy them [TS]

  because they own you know they own their regional areas and comcast is not going [TS]

  to come and pay destroying new wires there and if those companies don't have [TS]

  to rent their wire that to them they're not going to welcome guests will do [TS]

  instead I guess it's buy them if it's worthwhile to them which is what they do [TS]

  with Time Warner and hopefully eventually even our crappy laws will [TS]

  step in and say you know when Comcast trust by Verizon vice versatile cellco [TS]

  you can do that but now it's not it's not a great situation and I i wud I [TS]

  think we would all be happier if the service itself within proof like instead [TS]

  of just how your profits are improving reemerging you doing stuff like this [TS]

  like would you care how bad the customer service was if you just got good speed [TS]

  all time like I have had flowers for I don't know who's long as I could [TS]

  possibly how did many many years now and I've never called their customer service [TS]

  it could be terrible sorry but I just always works it doesn't go down I never [TS]

  have to call them it doesn't break all the equipment is still going eventually [TS]

  assume it'll break only to get an upgrade or something but so far so good [TS]

  so if Comcast pretty much energy into improving its service as it doesn't like [TS]

  buying up other companies and trying to figure out how to make money maybe like [TS]

  well the customer service is terrible but boy the speeds are great and I bet [TS]

  files to Verizon if you had a bad customer service experience it would [TS]

  annoy you but you'd be like well I still enjoy the speed of the connection and [TS]

  for the most part of a reliable but what's compelling them to to do that [TS]

  not think that's why then I don't get nothing and that's the problem and the [TS]

  competition is what makes everyone get better it's the same reason why although [TS]

  I don't prefer Android I want Android to be incredible because that makes iOS [TS]

  that much [TS]

  and I just seen a tweeter at an article or something like that a day or two ago [TS]

  saying that suddenly Comcast had just ratcheted up their speeds in the areas [TS]

  around Google Fiber or maybe was in chattanooga where I know that they have [TS]

  meat municipal or the power company something of that they have some weirdo [TS]

  setup that talk with Bradley chambers about wherein they get just absurd [TS]

  speeds from a source he would expect either the municipality or like the [TS]

  power company or something [TS]

  those areas comcast will actually be OK from what I gather because they're [TS]

  compelled to because otherwise no one will subscribe to them and I don't know [TS]

  I guess for regular human beings files and compelling enough but I agree john [TS]

  the only I've had called customer service twice maybe and it was because [TS]

  of random one off things that are kind of expected to happen over the course of [TS]

  several years and an otherwise I've never ever ever ever had an issue with [TS]

  it ever ever and I use the Actiontec router not for wifi but I use it for as [TS]

  a router and I know thats Marcos favorite thing in the world and I'm [TS]

  actually not even had problems with that so I can't stress enough how wonderful [TS]

  files and how god awful terrible comcast is thank God that we are sponsored by [TS]

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  King part of the two cows family of companies they have this awesome support [TS]

  thing where they have phone support you know that you can do I have to but if [TS]

  you want you can call them any time during the business day and a person [TS]

  picks up the phone it's a no hold no transfer no wait policy you call during [TS]

  the business day and a real person picks up the phone there's no like long hold [TS]

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  a new demand for your email address whatever the case maybe they want people [TS]

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  making your idea of work they know that domain registration is not like the [TS]

  place you go to hang out all day you know they they know that this is like [TS]

  this is something that you need to do something else they want to make it as [TS]

  easy as possible for you to get in get out and just get what you need [TS]

  thinking they can have that so and they have i mean you you have probably heard [TS]

  all these crazy new TLD that they're being released you can get like . [TS]

  laundry or something if they have so many so many really stupid stop its Lee [TS]

  like I don't know what you know it seems like I can make the final seasons on [TS]

  these are the IANA I am on reddit [TS]

  I know what you're saying I never can keep them straight seems like the [TS]

  creation of new TLD ease whoever makes those decisions is just [TS]

  comically misguided about how the how things are named on the Internet like [TS]

  the TLD is not usually used for you know important purposes usually hits like you [TS]

  pick the one that either like completes the spelling of Adam a knack for you so [TS]

  you can get like you know thing . GSO it says things that you need stuff like [TS]

  that or you get one thats like kind of accidentally related like we have ATP . [TS]

  FM even though we are not in the Federated islands of Micronesia [TS]

  you know we it just happened that that's kind of san related and just like a TV [TS]

  is it Tuvalu Tuvalu you know no one no one who has a dot tv domain name is [TS]

  actually in Tuvalu but you know people who are TV just like dot me I think this [TS]

  is another country to let you know that just happens to mean something and [TS]

  English popular Darko is columbia but it's close enough to dot com well you [TS]

  start using that works and then they the new demands are all these crazy things [TS]

  like dot lighting and like dot dot photography and you know this is not a [TS]

  well keywords I know I know this is a sponsor a read but I'm going good I'm [TS]

  making was a topic temporarily this like I'm I'm so annoyed by the list of these [TS]

  new demands because they're so useless that they're so cheesy like who is going [TS]

  to name their business like supplies . photography see what they did was sort [TS]

  of how Mac OS 10 made movie computers real as it used to be before the movie [TS]

  computer to these crazy animations didn't exist in real computers and [TS]

  things that go boom that's not where computers like it's a stupid and then [TS]

  came out it's like a real computer doesn't do anything [TS]

  actual real thing well this makes what your parents with safer domain names or [TS]

  what like late night comics would say I need to go to you know doggy dog wolf [TS]

  wolf and would like to visit a real deal didn't you know it's like they wouldn't [TS]

  know that it was like [TS]

  whatever they were just say it like you know paper bags dodd lunchtime and it's [TS]

  a backslash after that right now those things are now those things are real [TS]

  kick out now you're making you're making all the worst bad things about people [TS]

  who didn't know technology come true [TS]

  exactly but by the way why do you all movie and TV computers make noises every [TS]

  time you turn on the screen window appears everything makes noise drives me [TS]

  nuts are a different topic finish the end anyway so if you want to get a [TS]

  sensible TLD like the ones we've had forever you can get pretty much all the [TS]

  number they keep adding new ones all the time and they they have almost every one [TS]

  of her look for however if you want to get one of the new stupid ones you can [TS]

  now do that as well so you can get they now have today or yet today a new batch [TS]

  became available including dr. equipment . camera . estate . gallery and dot [TS]

  lighting so now you can you know you can have your new like ATP dot lighting and [TS]

  cabinet lighting the company I'm sure there's enough of those to justify an [TS]

  entire top level domain on the internet so they have all sorts of crazy to me [TS]

  that they keep their like this to your schedule looking to roll out a whole [TS]

  bunch of them that I can level and so all the stars are joining in the good [TS]

  ones but if I was gonna rain is I do it however because they have their panels [TS]

  nice and easy to use their great support this is not new [TS]

  this old but also service called value transfer where if you want to transfer [TS]

  some names to have her and you don't have to deal with process table do the [TS]

  transfer for you if you could give them the credentials to log into your old [TS]

  registrar they will transfer everything over for you it's really great so they [TS]

  have all sorts of stuff they have email Google Apps for your domain to support [TS]

  that and you know their their attitude is very honestly don't try to [TS]

  aggressively up cellular cross-sell you too crazy stuff like you know if you [TS]

  didn't tell me is it is but we all know [TS]

  know that the the implication he read the alternative here is if you ever did [TS]

  a check out good daddy owned my god it's like it's worse than the App Store it's [TS]

  like the amount of crap they present to you is so it's unbelievable and it's [TS]

  like they used for these shady things like oh well do you do not want us to [TS]

  not give your disclosed information to people who are possibly affiliated with [TS]

  us and you can pay an extra $12 a month to have privacy so that we won't spam [TS]

  you and it's like it's so worth of the registrar's however has sensible [TS]

  defaults they don't bad for you [TS]

  things like domain privacy they give you for no additional cost it's great so let [TS]

  me get back to back to reality here thanks let's hope for sponsoring a show [TS]

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  yes that's right I also should point out that moon dot lighting is already taken [TS]

  and I'm very sad about that that's too bad not surprising but unfortunate [TS]

  nevertheless these deals are really the worst I mean it's like we've had stupid [TS]

  Tod is in addition to these for a while I dot museum like even museums don't use [TS]

  . museum if they don't use it who else is going to use it [TS]

  yeah it makes no sense to me but whatever we want it let me do something [TS]

  briefed about I be consumed Bluetooth le and then we can maybe talk about coping [TS]

  2010 for six hours of liner notes next show [TS]

  well let's let me talk briefly about by beacons and then we can wrap so I've had [TS]

  a little bit of time between projects at work over the last week and a half [TS]

  half and I've been fiddling with I beacons and Bluetooth Low Energy and in [TS]

  case you haven't translation I've been slacking off at work [TS]

  no no no I between projects it's true don't you know that you're my share of [TS]

  slacking off at work don't worry they're slacking off at work and then there's [TS]

  doing things that are professional development when you're in between [TS]

  client projects you're ninety percent I'm gonna try to be serious you're done [TS]

  it so I was dealing with Bluetooth Low Energy and so in case you don't know [TS]

  what that is and I was seven Apple came up with the standard that they said they [TS]

  would make a standard which just like FaceTime they haven't wearing you can [TS]

  have over Bluetooth Low Energy a small data packets broadcast that includes a [TS]

  grade or UUID or good depending on how you want to quit that's how I was [TS]

  pronounced it anyway so strictly speaking to you idea platforms but you [TS]

  can broadcast a UUID a major integer a minor in nature and I believe a little [TS]

  bit a text as well I forgot I had any idea is you can set up iPad for example [TS]

  a klutz a cash register iPad and you can set it up to being over Bluetooth Low [TS]

  Energy this hi I'm here and I'm waiting for someone to talk to me and on your [TS]

  own on a iphone if you have let's say this is the Apple Store Apple Store is [TS]

  doing this if you have the Apple Store app on your iPhone nothing not the App [TS]

  Store mind you but the Retail Store app as you walk into an Apple Retail Store [TS]

  it will actually say we see you at the Apple Store is there anything we can do [TS]

  for you and they took this even further WBC they said hey you know if you think [TS]

  about it you could use the major and minor injures to do something like [TS]

  specify the major in order is what store number you're in a minor in nature is [TS]

  where you are within the store so you could say if it's Macy's or something [TS]

  like that of department store you're in the men's section and perhaps when you [TS]

  walk in there with your iPhone [TS]

  the app could the Macy's app if you have installed pop up and say hey we see in [TS]

  the men's section did you know that ties are on sale and so on and so forth in [TS]

  its both extremely cool and extremely could be extremely creepy you can think [TS]

  of less creepy it uses like a museum we're talking about that museum earlier [TS]

  where as you go between exhibits you could dig there could be I begins all [TS]

  over the place saying hey we meeting here at such-and-such exhibit let me [TS]

  show you a screen about that rather than having to go in search for information [TS]

  about that exhibit funny myself playing with this over the last week and a half [TS]

  and really the whole point me bringing this up [TS]

  was to say that that Bluetooth Low Energy apparently as a whole lot more [TS]

  energy than I thought it did and I say that because I had my ipod my retina [TS]

  iPad Mini sitting on my desk at work and then I walked across the office which I [TS]

  know doesn't mean anything to anyone but suffice to say it was a solid 10 10 to [TS]

  20 meters yards if you're an american and so polite through it was through few [TS]

  walls and I could still very faintly of course but I could still pick up from my [TS]

  iPhone 5s my retina iPad Mini's Deacon being transmitted via Bluetooth Low [TS]

  Energy a solid like 10 or 20 metres away which I just thought was remarkable [TS]

  because the way it was pitched it sounded to me like it was going to work [TS]

  in the span of a couple of metres at most and that doesn't seem to be the [TS]

  case at all and and I just thought it was very interesting and i will also say [TS]

  that it was actually fairly straightforward to get it to work in the [TS]

  code really isn't that bad and I also ordered from what does it read bear [TS]

  which is some company out of I believe Hong Kong I ordered a beacon be one [TS]

  actually ordered three of them for the company which are basically these [TS]

  stand-alone I beacons and so what you can do is you can connect to them using [TS]

  an app that they have and program them with your dad / UID program them with [TS]

  what Major Minor number you want and you can use them [TS]

  as a physical I began in the way that the reason you can do that is because [TS]

  the quote-unquote standard that Apple came up with Fri beacons really isn't [TS]

  that complex and soaps people reverse engineered a pretty quickly and they've [TS]

  come in they've come out with a physical hardware devices that you can use in [TS]

  order to be an idea and I just thought this was all fascinating I don't really [TS]

  know where this is going in the future but the thought of having what is [TS]

  basically geo location within a building where GPS isn't probably going to work [TS]

  very well and additionally isn't accurate enough I just think the whole [TS]

  thing is fascinating but maybe maybe that's man do you have anything to say [TS]

  about that is like the fantasy of every computer every business person told [TS]

  about computers the past 57 years has been hammering out a hand when they're [TS]

  right near the cafe will tell them we're having a sale on golf it like people are [TS]

  obsessed with giving you just in time advertising information and every both [TS]

  utopian and dystopian sci-fi movie would have some scene where the character not [TS]

  used the future waters by some sign the notices he's there and tell them that [TS]

  something is available for his purchase that's related to his interest sir [TS]

  changes to talk to him or whatever and that mostly for me that's kind of [TS]

  dystopian but I like the idea of using the similar type of technology where [TS]

  it's like it's not it's longer-range the near-field if not as long range wifi but [TS]

  it's almost as low power as powers and you feel obviously but but it's much [TS]

  lower power like making more feasible to do something like like pipe in GPS for [TS]

  example like to do the equivalent of positioning within a building without [TS]

  having to use GPS but have it be similarly accurate by using LTE in all [TS]

  the in-store beacons as sort of a proxy for actual GPS beacon somewhere else and [TS]

  I don't know what position in that building it's good because even if just [TS]

  for like you're in the mall you want to find out where the heck with the you [TS]

  know children through the Gymboree is here on my clothes [TS]

  you have been in this mall before it would be nice and the ball is considered [TS]

  a feature if you look on your phone and like typing Gwilym and tap on the first [TS]

  thing I never tell you how to get to Gymboree like wayfinding within [TS]

  buildings to find you know if that was so common that it was boring you [TS]

  wouldn't have that thing that we have now like it used to be when you want to [TS]

  go on a long car trip you'd like to look up the maps and your little Atlas thing [TS]

  or get one of the triple-a booklets that tells you all the different turns out [TS]

  now we just take for granted if you want to go somewhere and you know the address [TS]

  you can just operate in your car type in the address and drive there but we still [TS]

  do the thing when you get into a building where you going to go to the [TS]

  front desk and find out what floor of this place is on and what number it is [TS]

  and you look up on the little the sign on by the elevators to show where you [TS]

  have to go that's that's the equivalent of bringing the Hagstrom into your car [TS]

  looking triple-a manual so if this stuff does come to become pervasive there is [TS]

  boring very benign uses of it that would eliminate yet another one of those [TS]

  things that we can tell our kids that we used to have to look things up and ready [TS]

  to be like time people yet to go there rolodex to find someone's phone number [TS]

  if they still no phone numbers are but I'm we're talking so I mostly get this [TS]

  text comes up but I think people tried to dystopian things first I think those [TS]

  won't fly as well as something more utilitarian boring yeah I would agree [TS]

  with that I should also mention that the idk in API with the in court location on [TS]

  the iPhone 4 and iPad actually it does tell you a basic idea of whether or not [TS]

  you're close to any of the beacons you can see so that gives you have a [TS]

  proximity of basically you're on top of it you're near it [TS]

  you are far away from it or I can barely tell and the other very interesting [TS]

  thing about I began specifically is that you can actually have it have the VAIO S [TS]

  start providing notification that you are within that region even if your app [TS]

  isn't running and so for the nerds seal beacon region is a classic question and [TS]

  there's a property notify interstate on display and it says when set to yes the [TS]

  location manager sends beacon notifications when the user turns on the [TS]

  display in the devices already inside the region these notifications are sent [TS]

  even if your app is not run [TS]

  thing in that situation system watches shop in the background so can handle the [TS]

  notifications which is actually extremely interesting to me because I [TS]

  can't think of a way in which you could with push notifications but are there [TS]

  ways Marco that you could just have your appt started arbitrarily in the [TS]

  background [TS]

  back refreshed look for a particular like when you when you stumble into a [TS]

  spot i guess i mean you can do geofence tricks you could do like all the various [TS]

  location-based API is now at the the major updates and regular updates and G [TS]

  offenses that but otherwise I don't think anything really reliable enough if [TS]

  you wanted to do if you want to see this behavior with anything else you you [TS]

  couldn't really doing very well right now I just thought this was all very [TS]

  interesting and something a little bit different that to my knowledge not a lot [TS]

  of people have really been exploring and and I don't know how to explore that in [TS]

  a non retail sense because you need these physical devices [TS]

  beaming these Bluetooth packets in order to in order to do anything with I [TS]

  deacons but I could see it being just really cool and really in really [TS]

  interesting things coming from it and I agree john that there's a dystopian [TS]

  version which is shaped eyes are on sale [TS]

  hey I mentioned apples are on sale pots and pans are on sale or there's the cool [TS]

  version of hey let me tell you where we see that you're in such such location [TS]

  the museum if you'd like to look at the gallery of M cars in the BMW well where [TS]

  you need to go upstairs and to the left or whatever the case may be and I just [TS]

  think that would be really cool with a lot of this stuff reality kinda gets in [TS]

  the way for me like I tend to adopt stuff very slowly in very late because [TS]

  like I like I still use paper boarding passes the airport I still don't use the [TS]

  thing on your phone [TS]

  the past books because usually there's there is some level of complexity and [TS]

  and fumbling and delay with technology that like you know if they're quick [TS]

  paper reducing all usually do it that way or if there's like some simple way [TS]

  like I've been much more likely to look around the floor of the museum I'm at [TS]

  for a directory or for a map that I am so I take out my phone and try that like [TS]

  like so often the stuff doesn't work right or like it's not worth the effort [TS]

  to take your phone in your pocket unlock it [TS]

  find the app funny thing and wait for it to connect drain your battery like to it [TS]

  there's all these little tiny costs that add up to make it kind of clunky and so [TS]

  many cases that I'm usually very skeptical of stuff and usually I i avoid [TS]

  it for years after everyone else tries it and usually it dies out and it's not [TS]

  a problem and I i save myself the time of ever having tried it [TS]

  museum thing I have a friend who works in museum and he had been four years [TS]

  taking a bunch of old school like iPods I think even the ones of the wheels and [TS]

  stuff and charging a bunch of them up and filling them with audio programs [TS]

  that people would you know go use little scroll through like they were manually [TS]

  making their own tour is as a sort of manually guided audio tour to you go to [TS]

  a certain section and museum rotate little wheel and here a little story [TS]

  about something and and if people were going toi that especially museum patrons [TS]

  would you like to know [TS]

  senior citizens and rich people like this would be a vast improvement if you [TS]

  can use these beacons and give a bunch of people iPod Touches because the whole [TS]

  problem was trying to make something that was guided so that people didn't [TS]

  have to manipulate the device and if you just walk up to something and little [TS]

  thing in your hand starts playing it that's that's an improvement so I think [TS]

  there's definitely small areas will also become influential it only it only [TS]

  becomes really something that people regular people encounter if those [TS]

  beacons are everywhere like that spread the Big Valley begins in a few places [TS]

  and begins in a few stores has some value but if you just assume that when [TS]

  you went to a mall thing will be filled the weekends then you've got a sort of a [TS]

  platform on which people can do both more interesting and more terrible [TS]

  things and they can launch a platform at . domains or more . systems is that when [TS]

  I don't think it is . Academy [TS]

  I got it be conduct plumbing that's your right there and we're done [TS]

  museum . solutions thanks for the response this week Squarespace [TS]

  transporter and hover and we will see you next week now this show they didn't [TS]

  even mean to be in it was accidental [TS]

  accidental john Kasay [TS]

  because it was accidental and you can show and a team Marco [TS]

  I was gonna say that a new life awaits you in the offeror companies but I [TS]

  realized it when you get that some help you gotta listen to the Bionic a couple [TS]

  episodes go where they're going to these domains it's freaking hilarious the [TS]

  sauce I was thinking the same thing like I was walking my dog and so I couldn't [TS]

  let go check out list myself immediately and i cant listen throughout this can't [TS]

  be real happy he's happy made up this has to be a joke when I get home and [TS]

  look and they're all real like every one of these stupid of me died we ever find [TS]

  out if mike got my sexy is not sexy female I don't know I don't think is [TS]

  available I think it's an obvious fit me in the hopper is it just me or is this [TS]

  is a whole TLD thing you think a scam by I can to get whatever little percentage [TS]

  of the registrations they get from all trademark owners who got a good shot the [TS]

  treatment is different I don't I'm interested to see how how it goes [TS]

  because like the the cachet and the technological advantages of dot com back [TS]

  in the days when address bar is used to I mean I guess I was on that platform [TS]

  but never one address bar is used to stick on dot com for you instead of [TS]

  doing a search if you just i didnt wear it by itself right away with a huge [TS]

  advantage of you didn't want the dot netted the dot org [TS]

  because you knew if they type of food return in the address bar which people [TS]

  used to do back in the day you the address bar they would go to food.com [TS]

  and then never tried trouble W food.com in 2006 and now that's gone but I still [TS]

  think is a cachet to having the dot-com for most people and I wonder if this [TS]

  variety like if they'll be a stigma associated with having you know [TS]

  companies that far as the joke goes any other any other TLD that looks like your [TS]

  kind of like fly-by-night are you get the dot-com like the social aspect of [TS]

  TLDs not the technical aspect not whether there's a TLD that's perfectly [TS]

  suited view that you know kind of like we were here first and we got the dot [TS]

  com [TS]

  and everyone else's dot com and you look weird because you have the only place I [TS]

  can see where this will work out well and I know filled out dub xxx or [TS]

  whatever but all the porn sites I said no rush to get xxx sex or whatever [TS]

  because people probably typing those due to their house instead they haven't [TS]

  we've had we've had da xxx for a couple years now and I believe that they didn't [TS]

  want to let three had sex I don't know I think I'm sure that's one of the [TS]

  proposed once I mean they think is like it like these are released under and by [TS]

  the way to before the topic we've had done business info for a long time now [TS]

  and no one uses them and unnamed we've had done name I've got it done and yes [TS]

  and and like that name is is not to abused but business but business info [TS]

  like those expand like the only thing on there are span all it's a hundred [TS]

  percent spam its affiliate marketing spam and just crap this colloquy dot [TS]

  info is the only done in both side that I know of the family and I guess they [TS]

  couldn't get the dot com that's my first as I'm sure you could call it that info [TS]

  exactly so you know but you know all these domains like if they it's like the [TS]

  people who made the Yellow Pages design this domain name system it's like like [TS]

  they they think that anyone is going to want to have like 0 [TS]

  like for instance there's a dot diamonds and if you're like do you think major [TS]

  diamond companies are going to move their sites or create new sites as [TS]

  liking a company named . diamonds or as a can be really cheesy looking [TS]

  immediately it's a bonanza for domain squatter like I think it's gonna be [TS]

  who's this guy who's gonna hurt the most seems like its gonna hurt the domain [TS]

  squatter is the most because you know they're just gonna have my parking pages [TS]

  and maybe not hurt them all those accidental results you get on Google [TS]

  that are just someone squatting to redirect you you know they're gonna be [TS]

  all over that diamond god forbid someone I type something looks like better get a [TS]

  good result goes that so many new places that look legitimate to someone at a [TS]

  glance that they can drive you through do something right like I just think the [TS]

  taxes has been a place on trademark holders and like to try to like UK will [TS]

  to what degree do you have to buy them like I don't think so I guess coca-cola [TS]

  gonna get like oh called upcoming I don't think they're going to let that [TS]

  one go like they just wouldn't you know it would be easier to get money out of [TS]

  them but I think they're gonna they're gonna look at that list and say if the [TS]

  list was five more every operation whereby the extra five but the list is [TS]

  too long now there have been like ok well now you've pushed me to this and [TS]

  I'm going to say no I'm not going to get cold at all these I'm just going to keep [TS]

  like I who knows of cocoa leavin has called that info that busy but then even [TS]

  have them so I think they're gonna stick with the dot-com and I don't know what's [TS]

  gonna happen remains but . florists its Amin [TS]

  infinite infinite numbers of podcast episodes could be recorded about these [TS]

  demands I know the technical reasons why I like what why do we have the total [TS]

  demand that all I can understand how DNS works and everything but if you if you [TS]

  were to remove the technical limitations and just say what if the entire name was [TS]

  up for grabs when you got a domain you just pick the name and you just got cold [TS]

  calling there was no dot com right like then you you could put does your names [TS]

  if you wanted to be able to make up any sort of something that's something [TS]

  that's something if they wanted to in some ways it would be clean air and that [TS]

  you're just fighting over like ASCII characters that make you crazy escaping [TS]

  system they haven't domain names and just a bunch of characters and it's just [TS]

  as weird artifact that there's a certain last segment of it because of the way [TS]

  DNS works and then top-level domain holders that that's limited but [TS]

  everything in front of that you can get you know I don't like restrictions [TS]

  anymore probably somewhere in the distance but you've just been crazy [TS]

  garbage you want to try to fish people I would ever and it just has to end Mr [TS]

  these other crazy things on the list of crazy things getting bigger some kind of [TS]

  ok with that like it's moving more towards you just register name and hear [TS]

  some like limits and here's the character encoding us to be just pick [TS]

  the name a pedir IP address somehow so maybe that's the endgame top-level [TS]

  domains this not it's not a sexless you just pick what you want the last part of [TS]

  your thing to be less than a proposal like a year and a half or two years ago [TS]

  didn't didn't I can propose that allowed on anything and and allow people to [TS]

  register anything they want [TS]

  but I think that didn't go anywhere which might be for the best and are now [TS]

  it seems like all of the mean the value of a domain is so much smaller now [TS]

  because everyone just searches and like you know Google ranking is so much more [TS]

  important now one thing that might be relevant here is how much weight is [TS]

  Google Google put on these keywords [TS]

  utilities like is a skin account favorably toward your rank on Google for [TS]

  you searches Google has long has long since learned disregard anything it's [TS]

  going to be a negative like it probably history there waiting is not based on [TS]

  philosophy is based on like practical results of their their battle with spam [TS]

  or whatever is like practically speaking if more about this domain Zaar crappy [TS]

  and have spam they're gonna get down right there's not someone saying well [TS]

  that seems more specifically says that museum I don't think that's that's [TS]

  anywhere in their algorithm dot shoes I want to know is are you going to get [TS]

  overcast out whether that is that is that whether I don't even know that [TS]

  probably have done podcast they might have done picus client that's the funny [TS]

  and there is one proposed which I would love to get overcast happen that that's [TS]

  one that would be interesting that output just drive people crazy I imagine [TS]

  like trying to discuss like when we drive Mac heads crazy like what what is [TS]

  the website for your habits whatever that app and use terminal . app to use [TS]

  mail I mean someone we get terminal that up until that happened make something [TS]

  out of it while net extensions they ruin everything [TS]

  these are really they're just they're they're they're like keyword spam domain [TS]

  extension it's just so tacky seriously I who are these people who can you come up [TS]

  with this and say that's a good idea [TS]

  people submitted them my case ya democratic process and I bet the people [TS]

  submitting them where all the people who make those parked spam and phishing [TS]

  sites [TS]

  yeah I mean it's just like it seemed like the try to make one for it like [TS]

  every major industry basically and a bunch of weirdly minor ones but like [TS]

  this it's this is clearly everything about this is designed by committee it's [TS]

  obvious that there is no guiding authority here [TS]

  whatsoever it's just all I guess we'll invite all these different stakeholders [TS]

  to the table and will come up with something with this task force that [TS]

  everyone can agree on and there's no one and there's no authority here saying yes [TS]

  this is a kind of a bad idea anyway gonna get up early so joins up with this [TS]

  patriotic thing up a tree on his ass the site that basically it lets you you as a [TS]

  creative person get money for your fans every time you really something you can [TS]

  sell you know every every podcast episode are released every every three [TS]

  blog post maker every five songs I write to you the audience can pledge 10 bucks [TS]

  are five bucks or whatever for every exit I do I was just what jonathan mann [TS]

  is doing so the idea is pretty good good people behind it anyway they emailed us [TS]

  inviting us to to put our podcast on there and i dont i dont feel good about [TS]

  that is like you know it's different Jonathan mainly he doesn't he doesn't [TS]

  like phyllis stuff up with ads and he doesn't really like if you don't have a [TS]

  lot of great options to make money with your stuff directly then that's fine but [TS]

  we make money through ads and make good money to ads and we make I think more [TS]

  through ads then we would ever made through direct payments I think it was [TS]

  the only way that if you decide you when you're making money people are going to [TS]

  buy the thing that the consumers are gonna buy it then something like a giant [TS]

  is great but if you had supported it almost feels like you're trying to do is [TS]

  get a little bit extra by soaking your 200 best suit their 200 best fans for [TS]

  money and I would much rather see if your gonna so Q-two hundred best friends [TS]

  or money to get something out [TS]

  like a t-shirt or so yeah because then they're getting something like then then [TS]

  they have something that expresses their super fans alike [TS]

  whereas the page I like they would get the shows anyway and I'd rather cells by [TS]

  Russell somebody swag than the new setting but if you're trying to do in on [TS]

  ad-supported podcast I would totally do something like this but you're looking [TS]

  for some way to efficiently get money from people who want to give it to you [TS]

  for the thing that you make I agree on all counts but we should do teachers or [TS]

  something [TS]

  yeah definitely need a we need a better logo before we do T-shirts yeah [TS]

  preferably something without the I still only have mine yet don't care you should [TS]

  take the new I guess as ATP now you should put soon or delayed that is kinda [TS]

  funny 2013 in quotes yeah anybody I mean like people are getting now but it's [TS]

  like now I think shipping estimates of ship have slipped in April and Richfield [TS]

  the stores now as it is and i dont the flipping day April I would love to know [TS]

  if that's like is their problem or is that demand and like almost hard to [TS]

  believe that it could be demand you like seriously about many people on Mac Pros [TS]

  like a candidate some delays like they weren't ready to start manufacturing [TS]

  couldn't do it the name pair but surely but this point like it's almost like [TS]

  some parts shortage or some other thing that's preventing [TS]

  I think as far as I can tell the bomb that might be in tow [TS]

  because if you try to buy these CPUs and not all of them but if you try to buy [TS]

  like it should be a core you can't buy one like every whether a stock swap in [TS]

  some ice Evans [TS]

  to give the prices they don't tell anybody hey this is better [TS]

  single-threaded performance I don't know if they can't do that cuz of the PCI [TS]

  Express yeah yeah yeah that's why I think the problem might be Intel but it [TS]

  also might just be like you know this is a brand new factory in a brand new place [TS]

  at the brand new staff making a brand new product that they probably didn't [TS]

  think was gonna sell massive volumes but it's a metal tube is it more complicated [TS]

  to manufacture in an iPhone know but it but it's it's an experience like this is [TS]

  like a new thing like they its new plant in austin doing this cooler is an [TS]

  awesome somewhere it's this new plant doing this crazy thing and you know with [TS]

  all these you know just say it's lazy Americans I don't know I don't know it's [TS]

  easy but it is americans as opposed to these places in asia who've been [TS]

  manufacturing things like this for a long long time and that massive volumes [TS]

  whereas here we have a lot less of the infrastructure setup for that year I [TS]

  like the parts shortage theory and secondarily a distant second to demand a [TS]

  buddy prison believe its demand will hear about it and neither Apple tout it [TS]

  and say well we sold put the new Mac Pro on sale the sales were way more than we [TS]

  thought there would be no house phone number but I doubt they'll never [TS]

  mentioned the number the other way to tell if you like on the earnings call [TS]

  like Martin on max went up for somebody can calculate that and say like what [TS]

  could possibly be driving Martin's up in the Mac maybe the new Mac Pro sign in [TS]

  huge numbers but parts shortages sure sounds like the most likely culprit yeah [TS]

  if if I had to take my best guess I didn't tell the more it the more I think [TS]

  about this and look at what's coming and and my current setup the more I think [TS]

  that I should just that I should use this macro never comes in and honestly [TS]

  if it doesn't come in in the next month I might be canceled and I mean just wait [TS]

  for next month's point you have to get it [TS]

  they've already invoice me the thing with the rare that where the starts and [TS]

  now I'm gonna have to call and make the move the date up whenever the AppleCare [TS]

  delivered a month ago and so but yes I am definitely thinking with this one [TS]

  like this is [TS]

  whenever the next Metro comes out with the the Haswell EP chips that will be [TS]

  like 10 15 percent faster single throw stuff I'll probably upgrade to that for [TS]

  myself and give this one to two for her upgrade at a family thing will make my [TS]

  office much quieter people that share injustice cannot accept that I don't [TS]

  wanna game pc ISO somehow it's it's like it like a form of our against that i [TS]

  dont wanna again we just don't want I want different things to you can have a [TS]

  gaming PC I don't want it's not I don't think it say anything to get upset about [TS]

  it was it just make it damn game rating get over yourself it's not I'm not [TS]

  getting over my don't think I'm too good for again I just don't want one is a [TS]

  thing I don't want you can wanted and you can get it but I don't want it and [TS]

  it doesn't get on the bus a better person than the other person if I had a [TS]

  house where I could have a second computer setup then I would be much more [TS]

  interested in the game pc over there and then that coherent decide which place I [TS]

  want to but which one but I don't have that i dont wanna KVM while enjoying [TS]

  getting KBM get over yourself I don't want to I just don't want an extra [TS]

  complexity of this everything I love the weakest rolled Casey into another Mac [TS]

  Pro discussion is trying to bed [TS]

  arrives at his day of reckoning will come just hang of it did you see the [TS]

  picture of Emma underscore we had like the Backblaze mugging top of this macro [TS]

  macro know that was actually that was a backless blog post but anyway you could [TS]

  find out if that coffee here [TS]

  7,000 miles on that it would it would have been $7,000 of the original [TS]

  configuration but I felt bad about that I can do that here that's that's the one [TS]

  advantage that the Mac Pro probably doesn't have those little water detector [TS]

  things inside the coffee coffee there are no you must be crazy for some reason [TS]

  it smells like really good coffee [TS]