00:00:00 ◼ ► Given your musical taste I bet you like Coldplay. I do like a play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► or play I prefer energy that's probably a perfectly reasonable joke that I just did not get. No you got it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► So John tell us about the found format. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► There we mention this in the show we talked about script notes fountain is that markdown like format they used to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/19">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► And at the time that I brought we were of the second time I said it was invented by John August [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/28">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► and someone tweeted me to just clarify it was created by John August and you said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► and Stu mash with so three people created not just on August don't want to just give credit to the one guy who happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► to have a podcast that we listened to and talked about and are still talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/43">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► They go into I mean like this is the thing about the correction that that small. Like I think it's worth correcting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/47">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► But like you have no place to correct for it except in the follow up so like if I just read about it I had to remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/53">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► everyone of us has a park has also follow me on Twitter some progression has been on the podcast no way around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► usually thought this this minuscule I exclude But I think crediting is worth putting in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/63">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► and you guys remember what I said about software complexity last week it was a second only to parenting something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/72">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► I you know as always I relisten to the show I was like I don't want to make sure that I remember what I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► but of course I relisten the show so long ago that I've since forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► but I personally got a lot of feedback about this I don't know if all of you guys did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/89">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► or didn't come to the Form a little bit came to the feedback from but I got a lot of tweets a lot of snarky angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/94">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► Oh that's right because I saw Dr Dre call you out on it and you said that you would correct him in my words not yours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/102">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► You said you would correct him and the next episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► and I'd forgot about that now I'm very excited to hear where this is going. Yeah so it was like an offhand comment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/112">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► The fact that a software is the most complex thing made by humans or something similar that you know right after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► and parenting at the end is a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/126">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► and it was imprecisely worded because I thought I was referring to an idea that everybody knew like I was referencing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/127">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► something that was shared knowledge with me in the audience and we all knew about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/134">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► and most of us probably agreed so I could just you know say something vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/138">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► and be like oh he's referring to that idea and then put the joke about parenting at the end you know whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/143">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► But that like that was not an expression that's not a complete expression of what I meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and which is not surprising to me that so many people heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► and misinterpreted it because if they don't know what the heck I'm talking about the words I said were not as Actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/156">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► So did you see what you saw darting during being about her but what did you guys think I meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/164">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► or think I was referring to or did you know what I was referring to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► I did not I thought you were being genuine I didn't think you were being. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► I thought you were being playfully snarky like you were you're trolling in a in a not jerky way in a funny way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/177">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► You're going to make me go off on a tangent about the definition of trolling because I have a fairly precise definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/185">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► of trolling which is intentionally saying something you don't believe to get a rise out of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/192">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► People use trolling to mean just like saying something that gets people angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► but if you really believe it you're not trolling you are expressing your actual anyway. Forget about trolling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/203">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► So here's what I was referring to I think I can sum it up reasonably concisely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► and I'd just like ramble a lot at the end until every second of the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/213">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► and I had to look this up because it was another thing that assume everybody knows that they don't like saying that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/219">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► can remember seeing like for decades I don't know where it came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► when I google for it I got attributed to some name but not a timestamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► but the last place I can be sure I remember seeing it in the first place I can be sure I remember seeing it on Usenet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/232">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► It was an everybody got sick kid or that's a guess and it's the thing and you tell me if you've heard this before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/240">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► If builders build buildings the way programmers write programs the first woodpecker that came along would destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► civilization have you heard that one before now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► Very popular saying back in the early days of the internet it was of that segues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► I'm sure predates the internet because programming certainly does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► I founded credited to General Weinberg but I don't know if that's accurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/262">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► I only did five minutes of looking up his muscles doing research. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► All right so good boy so this is the that saying what it's trying to get at is like the first premise behind the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/271">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► that I'm getting at is that software has more problems than other seemingly similar things like other forms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/279">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and stuff like that that's what they're saying is like well the people who build buildings if they were as crappy as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/287">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► programmers woodpeckers would destroy civilization. That's that's idea number one like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► There are always bugs in software and sometimes they're super really serious bugs not just minor ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/296">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► and soft even software written by the very best programmers of various practitioners the entire field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► Those have big problems too right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/308">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► And I think everyone can agree on that if you write software a living you know bugs are a fact of life it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/312">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► default when I get really good programming I'll stop writing books that never never ever happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► Actually your bugs become harder to find. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► And that the quality of software I think we would all agree like that saying it's funny about the woodpecker destroying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► civilization because there is not just a grain of truth but a serious amount of truth behind that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/329">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► Like people in other professions that seem similar certainly seen a hell of a lot more confident like the average is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/334">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► and in programming particular does not like no matter how good you are you're never going to achieve a level of competence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/341">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► that you know that even close to the average of these other professions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► All right so the second premise of behind the idea that I was referring to is that assume you agree with the fur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/352">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► One is another big chain of things like if you disagree with me at any point they're not going to connect after kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► like if you said you have to kind of all the whole chain and if you disagree at any point well then oh well so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► but if you agree with the first bit the second bit is this the the first bit about software being crappier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/369">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► It's not because software developers are dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► or lazy like that is not because we haven't thought about programming is not because people haven't tried to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/379">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► better ways we might be able to program is not because programming is super young that we've been doing this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/387">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► decades and something that I think most programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/392">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► and most other people would agree with is that this nature of software that was discussed that have been crap revert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► things is because software is different in those other things and not because of any lack of effort or knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/402">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► or skill or or you know the biggest because programmers are stupid or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► We've had decades and decades of research and hard work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► and they have not really led to any big reduction in sort of the number of bugs per line of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/416">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► or whatever whatever stat you want to put up like a programmer today versus a programmer writing something on punch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/422">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► cards error rate wise are probably pretty similar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► And it's not for lack of trying to sound like well we've never really put an effort in trying to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► write software that are you know we put a lot of effort into it and it's seems I'm I can say it's intractable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/436">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► And like the Fred Brooks things that I mentioned I want to show you know the mythical man month how adding manpower to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/444">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► a late project makes it later that is not true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► You know building a bridge if you double your manpower you can probably build a bridge faster or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/453">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► and anything any sort of more scalable physical endeavor or building a skyscraper you got one guy building a country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/458">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► or boys can take forever. If you're running late if you add more construction workers up to point obviously I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/463">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► But like this The Mythical Man Month is famous because it's such a counter-intuitive finding for software in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/470">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► and you know Fredricka there was no silver bullet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► This is my mother's one hundred seventy five no syllable one hundred eighty six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► Programming's been around since you know in its current sort of modern form since the fifty's sixty's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/484">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► So these are people trying to research what we can do to get better know so we're brought was that we've looked into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► and it doesn't seem to be anything we can do that will really make us better programmers by like an order of magnitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/496">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► used in the correct sense for all the people who are potentially correct and gave you about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/503">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► And these two sort of seminal works in the in the world in the software field are fairly old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/508">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► and I think most people accept them that like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/514">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► This this all comes together as like programming is for some reason we're really crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/518">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► and we can't figure out how to get that much better and it's not for lack of trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/522">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► And so that's that's where I'm coming from in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► and the lots of silly misinterpretations of what I said which are probably accurate if you were to look at the words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/531">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► when you look at them really like give them the benefit of doubt assume they're not like really dumb because it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► easy as I have the exact words you said would only make sense if you meant you know mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/543">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► and that's a stupid idea instead of saying well you must I meant the stupid idea most about something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/548">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► and it was not their fault my fault for saying the wrong thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► But so they misinterpretations that I'd like to dissuade people from now is one that programmers have the hardest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/554">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► profession in the world that's obviously silly pretty much any other job in the universe is harder than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► programming at least like physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► and emotionally like it's very hard to think of a profession that is easier than programming maybe you could think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/566">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► some that might be easier mentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► but that really depends on what kind of mental state you have if you have the type of brain that itself if it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/573">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► going to be something to do then actually being a checkout clerk is harder mentally than being a programmer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/579">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► But you know any any job is hard to physically almost all jobs are harder emotionally like it's trivial to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/585">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► Software is the most complex thing in the world that is obviously also silly but there are some nuance I don't get to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/592">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► but like just to give an easy example the human body is obviously more complicated than any software we will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► ever write and people deal human body all the time in many forms not just doctors and all of us stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/605">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► So here's what I did mean based on all those premises that I just described about software being the most complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/612">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► I just want one more sort of foundational thing you have to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► and agree with me what it is that software is written on top of an abstraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► and that traction is what we call the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► and it's an engineering task to make the hardware so I guess someone somewhere is responsible for making essentially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/632">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► machine with the you know chips or transistors or whatever that provides an abstraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/638">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► but software work in the world of ones and zeros. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► It's the hardest job to figure out the ones and zeros you know we are including after industry C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/646">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► Use clocks you know phase loops power supplies all that stuff that's running hardware that is all to make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► abstraction where it's like OK from this level up it's ones and zeros. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► Sometimes that's traction is leaky to use your parlance but that's not what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► If only holding most of our bugs were attributable to hardware problems were the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► and zeros breakdown like that is not what causes most of our software bugs the hardware for the most part of a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/672">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► amazing job of maintaining that ones and zeros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► and direction in our software bugs are not caused by that abstraction leaking are not caused by all of what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/680">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► took to a zero and that's what caused the bug no one caught the bug in your program with you writing bad code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► There are hardware bugs and that's but that's not what we're talking about almost all the time in fact it's so novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► and it's a hardware bug it's like an exciting story right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► Whereas if you just make a software bug happens every day and above the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and zeros layer we human beings we software people are responsible for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/703">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and we have to write everything ourselves because you have libraries and O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► Isn't free and works like we've built up this gigantic tower of stuff on top of those ones and zeros. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/712">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► And I think the founded expectation that every single thing in the giant tower of crap that we've built is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/720">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► understandable to a programmer the idea that software is for the most part pretty much nearly one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/725">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► knowable by humans I mean to have it all in their head doesn't mean any human being fits the entire Like knows every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/733">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► single thing is happening the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/738">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► but it is unknowable understand what you want to look up what's happened you can find out all the way down to getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/739">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► and Figure out what the machine code is and disassembling it like it is knowable doesn't mean you know it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/746">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► But it means like the only thing stopping you from figuring it out like you have some super hard bug you keep digging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/751">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► down down down eventually going to get down to ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► and zeroes in those one hundred zeros are noble you know Casey would know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► or any other gun person has done any kind of a thing where you build a C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/761">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► or if you learn how transistor works then you know how logic works a million to the world the one who the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► and you can very easily build a C.P.U. From those logic gates and work your way up. It's noble from top to bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► Every single piece because we're building on top of these ones and zeros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► and I mentioned human body before which is way more complicated than a program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► but humans don't create the human body not in the way not in the way I describe everything we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/785">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► but not like assembly going to be sometime so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► So let's think about something like a bridge a bridge is also more complicated than any program we will ever write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/793">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► In fact bridges are so complicated that we can't even like reason about them as they are we have to use approximations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/798">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► and models and stuff like that to figure out whether they're going to work right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► Everything we do and that's have engineering has to be based on these models that are not reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► but they're hopefully close enough and we refine them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► and everything like that because they're they're fiendishly complicated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/813">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► That's another good thing you know you're saying the programs are so complicated What about a bridge like a pencil is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/817">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► more complicated than a computer program if you look at it at the atomic level so I think we can all agree that bridges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/822">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► are generally more reliable than software like actual bridges like bridges fall down dropping the cars into the ocean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/832">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► much less often than saw. Where just totally craps the bed and does the equivalent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/838">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► And granted we've been building bridges for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► but I don't think the Head Start really explains this because of you know the acceleration of technological advancement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/845">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► So the analogy I would say is like programming is like having to assemble a bridge starting from subatomic particles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/851">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► and you're not allowed to know the current laws of physics and use them as a reference you have to invent everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/858">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► and so you you build on the equivalent of libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► and frameworks of the equipment of librarian for I was in the bridge world it would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► but what if there's a bug in the gravity library What if the guy who wrote the steel molecule framework that left some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/870">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► and at some point all the steel would turn to liquid at room temperature of a certain kind of car travels over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► bridge that's what we're doing in the world of software and it's because the entire stack is both created by humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/883">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► and noble by humans there is no sort of like well that's the way things work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► and will build models to you know to sort of approximate what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/894">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► and using these here is actually going to be something reliable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Every single piece of it from the top of the bottom is no noble and changeable by the programmers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/902">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► when I say software is the most complicated thing created by human I just made it more I could say software is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► complicated thing wholly created by human because it is wholly artificial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► Like once you get above the ones and zeros all that ones if you're with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/916">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► and there are no rules except the rules we make there is no gravity there's no laws of physics there's no you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/920">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► physical properties there's there's nothing there is only what we make of it in every single layer that layer cake has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/925">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► bugs and nuances that are knowable to us but are not known to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► and so that you know the higher we build the more chance there is that we don't understand something about cocoa that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► we think we understand and this thing ends up being like on allocated in the time we tried to access it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► or that there's a bug in the local library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► and it's revealed in some very strange corner case like nothing all bugs to do both in frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► and everything like that all the way does turtles all the way down it's all humans writing programs you know that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/953">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► But unknown and that's the world we're living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► and that I think is describes the unique nature of software as being the most complicated thing that we make from top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/962">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► to bottom because it is completely artificial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► The human body is not knowable because we do company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/971">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► but we're we don't make it we you know we're not responsible for no one expects you to know could you tell me what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/974">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► electron in this atom in this person's eyeballs doing right now of course not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/979">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► but if someone asked you Can you tell me when this value is going to change. A You can actually tell them and B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/983">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► You can understand what is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► and if you had a bug related to that little electron you should be able to figure it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► So I don't know if this is convincing as a bee as I keep piling on the assumptions I think most people were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► let on that software is bad and that it's not bad because programmers are lazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/999">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► but I think most programmers will agree that the unique nature of software is essentially that it is really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► in the realm of things that we make ourselves and every single part of us every single part of it is created by us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and in theory noble but noble bias. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1017">TS</a>]
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00:18:51 ◼ ► Now you guys want to get off this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► but I want to get both of your take on this realm which assuming you care I don't Casey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1133">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► I I sort of do so as as someone who claims to be an engineer which is to say I went through an engineering program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► and had a relatively large university. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► I I feel like I can be extremely snobby about engineers vs non engineers for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► I think that Marco got an inferior education simply because his education was in computer science not computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► So I wouldn't call it inferior I would just say that as a someone who also has an engineering degree the one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► think we can rightfully get to do is lord it over the people who took what we considered to be easier majors. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► but is it harder to go in general is it harder to go through an engineering degree than it is to go through a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► science degree I would say in general for most people yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► And so that's the one little thing that we can hold up with some tiny amount of profit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► Please e-mail them please e-mail us. Furthermore like you were saying earlier the difference to be between can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Engineering or science all kidding aside is that in principle when John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► and I graduated if not today we should be able to like John said follow software at a high level language like object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► of C. or or C. Sharp or or even Perl or P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► or Whatever the case may be we should be able to follow that all the way down to NAND gates and so and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► and so forth within a proper even transistors within a processor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► and I think what's interesting is I can see why people like Dr drang who is air quote traditional engineer could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► offended by John or me or anyone saying that the sort of thing we do is extremely complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► or even the most complex as other thing we do it's thing we create and write right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► The thing we create and so I can understand both sides of this and to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► I think the thing that makes the most sense is that for us by comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► and John you touched on this our our our industry our engineering discipline is so much younger so much younger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► You could argue that mechanical engineering for example has been around for a really long time hundreds of years at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► very least if not many many many more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► and so because of that I think the reasonable argument for software being terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► and for us not being good at our jobs is that we're very we as a as a race as a as a race I guess you are just very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► ignorant and we're kind of amateurs at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► I don't buy that argument because of the accelerating pace of technology you're right that it's so much newer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► structural engineering for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► but technology if you like put any graph of like technological advancement after like the industrial revolution like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► the rate of change is accelerating so even though our thing came in much later in the timeline it came in after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1312">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► So we've had the equivalent of millennia of technological advancement in software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► and yet we're not getting better at these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► Learning I don't buy that like and I think that contributes to it somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► but I think I think the thing we're making because it is so wholly artificial and knowable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► and complicated that unique combination of factors like I spent a little while trying to think of something that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► I can think of science fiction things that have similar properties like you know building living beings from like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► Programming or stuff like that or building nanobots or maybe that or self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► or up like everything I think of that is that would be worse has some kind of place where we decide it is not knowable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► anymore like genetic algorithms or things were like well just let it go run off on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► and we'll do a some tiny simulation of kind of like what how life evolved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► But we won't understand the reasoning or the functioning of all of us hope that the end product like works right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► Can you think of one that has the combination of like totally made by humans also very complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► and no help from any pre-existing anything to start with like ones and zeros. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► but you can argue that you know we're building on more building on physics as well just as much as a bridge builder as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► well but I think there's a clean break like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Yes the engineers who build the hardware Yes that's all physics obviously like that's here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► but I'm saying like there's a hard layer behind like that's the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and they do a great job with that because like it's there they're you know doing approximations based on the natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► world and laws to tend not to change and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► But once we get about that the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and zeros we draw a hard line there we say look if anything happens below that that's not our problem isn't our fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► and in practice that's not where our that's not where our problems are like yet it does happen hardware fails right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► But nobody blames the software gosh that people blame the software guys for all the other times something goes wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► then the hardware is functioning perfectly fine. Yeah I mean I don't know I did stuff because like I said I see this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1433">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► and I understand what Dr Treng is offended by also a lot of pretty much no one surprisingly agree with everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► just said so we can move on from this summit to to see us in the chat room the ones that complex math. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► Yeah maybe that qualifies Although yeah kind of a lot of math to analyze that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► but what matters a little bit different in that it's less built and more discovered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► You know it doesn't it doesn't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► but you know everything is like you know you're discovering properties that were already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► or you're building you know you're building new ways of expressing things that are already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► and proving things that already work like it's a little bit different in that you're not like you're not as much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► building up these whole systems of things that could be like three quarters wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► or you know would only work in you know eighty percent of the possible cases like usually math is a little more well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► grounded than that and it's more provable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and you know kind of built more slowly over the years so that it's one hundred percent for a boy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► but like it's not you're not building a little machine to do something like math is a pleasurable to every machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► when you're doing math you're like you're not concerned you're not trying to make a thing to do something you're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► to you know sort of explore the nature of truth you know the only real truth we have some better make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► mathematicians happy and other people suggested music and storytelling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► Lots of things that human do is like love is more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► but like it's much harder to define a bug in storytelling and music and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► and those things are those are kind of executable where you can play them like the music doesn't like the music isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► isn't meant to like if it makes one person center than another that's not a bug if one person finds it boring one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► person finds it amazing that's also not a boat like it's not yeah it's difficult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► Like again tons of things that people do are harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► and more difficult more complicated than per se what what we make is programmers because it's so completely artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► and also so complex and. No no a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► Nothing to stand on like it is the world of one of the theories that we have collectively built up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► and it is you know woodpecker would destroy it if it was made of wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► and doesn't take it would take dust motes can kill floating there in the wrong spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and again like all the steel turned to liquid and when the yellow car runs over it and it would make a move on please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► Really quick real time follow up Firstly it is math not maths. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► You people that are hailing from the British Empire are crazy and I know we have to but at least we got that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► And secondly when I said race earlier it's not about race I meant the human race last the species of humans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► So before we get a thousand e-mails actually it's probably too late. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► So let's talk about software methodologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► and do a little fault on that because Marco isn't already bitter enough a lot of people wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► and said hey you got agile totally wrong and to some degree they were right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► and I should say that agile began as a manifesto and that manifesto all kind of get to you in a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► but it was more about here's the things we value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► and less about here's the steps that you should take in order to do these things and what I had talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and I think all of us had talked about was more hey when you're when you're a soldier on the ground so to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► and I mean that very very figuratively when you're when you're working developer this is what agile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► and scrum tend to mean and it tends to mean things like stand ups and stories and points and so on so forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► So those of you who wrote in about Agile being more about a series of ideals rather than a series of steps you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► absolutely right and I should have specified that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► Additionally a lot of people have written in and pointed to a post that was very pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► and worked out how the timing was great post by Dave Thomas not the Wendy's guy but the agile guy and his post is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1670">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Agile is dead long live agility and the T.L. D.R. Of that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► Hey agile in the sense of a series of things that you need to do really is kind of B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► Again agile is really about here's the values that we have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► So he says and I'm quoting from this article look again at the four values [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► and these are the this is the Agile Manifesto that I mentioned earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► We value individuals in interactions over processes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► and tools we value working software over comprehensive documentation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► We value customer collaboration over contract negotiation and we value responding to change over following a plan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► So that's the ideal. That's what agile really really is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► So Dave goes on to say you know how to do it to prescribe standups to prescribe scrum to prescribe stories to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► prescribe any of that is really B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► So let's get back to the basics and he says here's how to do something in an agile fashion what to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► Find out where you are. Take a small step towards your goal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► Adjust your understanding based on what you learned and repeat. And here's how to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► or more alternatives that deliver roughly the same value take the path that makes future change easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► and I'm continuing to quote. And that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► Those four lines in one practice encompass everything there is to know about effective software development. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► Of course this involves a fair amount of thinking in the basic loop is nested factoring inside itself many times as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► focus on everything from variable naming to long term delivery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► But anyone who comes up with something bigger or more complex is just trying to sell you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► and to be honest this is pretty much right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► and I stand by our last episode I stand by all the things I said not on all the things that we said because agile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► and scrum as they are perceived today boils down to those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► but if you really really try to break it down to what is the the genesis of all of this it's really programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► or developing. With agility and that's what David's talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► and what it reminded me of is the idea that we see it played out many times that any idea whether it's a reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► previous ideas are entirely novel new idea about how someone might do something better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► Inevitably falls victim to the sort of innate human desire for simple answers like you know Fred Brooks no silver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► bullet. Everybody wants the silver ball right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► And so if someone has an idea like Agile where it's like well you know I reaction to it like if you say the opposite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► all those points like let's let's you know do a whole bunch of planning up front take big steps instead of small steps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► let's let's get a full complete understanding of the problem before we start instead of like getting the next any human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► to like their opposites of each other and in many ways agile as a reaction to methodologies that have come before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► or you know systems of working that have come before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► but once you put it out into the world it does not take long for it to snowball into like the Silver Bullet people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1854">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► their hands on and the books come out in the seminars and the courses and the consultants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and like that is inevitable any idea doesn't mean the idea is wrong or dead or bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► or even any technology will be absorbed into the gigantic culture of things that that you know sort of give people what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► People want to know that you can hire a bunch of consultants fell swoop in teach everyone in your organization how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► do X. In the new way whether it be like six sigma or all those things that your dad could tell you about from the I.B.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► Days and you know quality first in the stack like someone's always selling Here's a new way you're going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► and it always gets perverted from what the original intention was made into a caricature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and just becomes a money machine for consultants and other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► and I don't think that they thought of the original ideas and it's kind of a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► but I think it's a natural life cycle of any idea about how people can do things better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► and so you know we see technologies travel that powerful time as well you know every technology everybody has somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► On a continuum and sometimes they wrap back around to get a second run out and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► but it doesn't make me think any more or less or agile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► I just think that I feel I feel a bit more comfortable with agile now now that it has sort of run through its first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► kind of burst onto the scene. Everyone has to do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► Actually it's not that great a backlash settling down to like yeah it's just one of those other ideas out there that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► And now we can refer to it our collective knowledge of it is enough in sort of a vague sense to say that's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► counterbalance against you know waterfall or whatever like it's it's another idea that's out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► We all know it's not silver bullet a mortgage we've gone through the back slapping backs backslash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► My God give it back to last year just what the hell backlash the backlash phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► and we're on to sort of the steady state now we're just waiting for whatever the next popular ideas I mean to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► same thing with extreme programming and pair programming like I like that life cycle I think it's valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► I think just maybe like people who sort of come of age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► and like whatever ideas the first idea like that that they see they may drink the koolaid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► and think this is the one this is we're going to change everything but like if you've been through six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► or seven cycles that you're like oh well that's just the next new popular idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► Wait for it to sort of settle down and then we'll get the value out of a tester in development the whole nine yards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► One thing that always also tends to happen with these ideas or methodology is like you know how when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► when you try to explain something to someone who is really new at computers he try to explain or do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► and the way they remember to do it you know they don't remember save the document. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► They Remember click on the File menu click on Save. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► You know like they remember the steps before they before they conceptualize the concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► or you know it's probably very similar to how people in foreign languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► but you know from from like translating in your head every word to becoming fluent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► It's a difference between following procedures and really understanding and internalizing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► And you know agile was seemingly started by a group of people who really understood these concepts who really deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► got them and what once it started becoming this this procedure and you know steps that you could follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► and you know part of that was their manifesto part of it was what everyone else added afterwards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► You know then it loses the understanding and it started becoming like a manual a series of steps a procedure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and it needs to be because in order to generalize that to a big organization this is where the difference is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► talked about last week between a small organization the big organizations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► Once you generalize this past a very small group it has to be a procedure it has to be code a fighter has to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► And inevitably Not everyone involved is going to be able to rise above that you know the letter of the law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► and figure and just and gain a complete understanding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► And over enough time I think that's what kind of ruins these things because that happens on a on a grand scale to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► People don't want to understand the philosophy they just like just tell me what do I care what they want they want they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► want this over a book like it's not even to that they can't grasp it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► or like it they don't even want that they're like all right so you've done all that thinking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► Now tell me what to do and it's like no you don't understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► Like in the future mentation understanding the ideas that led me to these practices will be much more helpful to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► than the practices themselves and that's not something people want to hear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► All right do we want to cover this question from Paul today or would we rather shelve that for another day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► I'll bring it up because I actually was on the one on one added it so all right so a guy named Paul sent us a feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► form thing saying I'm a computer science professor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► and I'm always curious what particular things that we teach turn out to be useful in the end you would ask each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► last week what one thing you would take from software methodology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► My question is What are the one or two things from your C.S. Education that you find the most useful when coding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2151">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► I would say it student I would say one is the operating systems course where we went all the way down into deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and some some playing with like little seekers mostly people of what an operating system does in lots of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► problems memory management scheduling interrupt stuff like that like you know the basics of what US is doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► That was very helpful to us because it gives me a major understanding of things that we have to deal with every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► things like concurrency things like threading and locking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► and everything that it it really helps that memory management really helps to know that that sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► and the second thing for me is it you know at my school you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► and I think this is common everywhere they were as they were a couple of like intermediate level courses where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► basically just did like a new programming language every week for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► and so we get to explore all sorts of different languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► Briefly shallowly but we get you know if we get some experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► and the basic concepts of lots of different types of languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and that's the kind of thing that in the real world it's harder to get because it's harder to justify work harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► find the time for you know it's easy to fall into the trap in the real world which I'm certainly guilty of myself of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► you know just going really deep on whatever you do work and not really exploring lots of new things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► And certainly there are so many new things coming out these days it's almost impossible to explore them all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► But in a calm side to cation they at least they get when they kind of forced you to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► And so like I know the basics of languages I've never used in the real world like lisp like I know the basics of Lisp I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► don't know if you sat me down in front of you know a list codebase until Mr working I would have some trouble it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► take me a while to get back into it but like I know the basic concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and you know stuff like that like there's that was a very a very valuable thing to me to to force me to experience a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► lot of new concepts that you wouldn't really ever have time or reason to in the real world most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► I would say that I actually exchanged a couple emails with John because I didn't realize that this was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► covered in the show in action and I blamed John for heading into the show notes Little did I know it was you Marko. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► But what I had said to him was the thing that I think I value the most from my education which is going to sound really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► Is learning what a pointer is because pretty much all of the development that I've done professionally in C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► Plus plus in C. Sharp even in Javascript and certainly an Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► All of that all of it comes down to it some point or another truly understanding what a pointer is and C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Sharp is a great example because any time you have a class. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► So if you don't have a struct here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► and you don't have a primitive type if you have a class it is always always always always passed by reference so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► whenever you're dealing with a class you're always dealing with what is under the hood a pointer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► Sharp developers many of whom I would actually classify as very good developers that don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► That fundamentally do not understand that concept. And so in C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► Sharp when you pass a class instance into a method or I should back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► when you pass anything into a method you could say you can explicitly state that you would like to pass this by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► reference. So for example if you have a string that you might manipulate in a method. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► Dot Net has call time passed by reference. One of P.H.P. Is worst features are they finally removed recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► Yes Wow And it has always had it and so a better example would probably be like an integer so I have an integer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► and I call a method and I'd like that method to be able to modify that energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► or what I can do is I can say that I am passing this by reference and thus I am I am passing basically a point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2392">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► Well all classes by default are pass by reference you know you're just throwing pointers around so many times the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► way that you would say I am I am specifically passing this integer by reference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► I will see people use that same key word which happens to be wrath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► or yeah I will see people put wraps in front of a class which is redundant because you're always passing a class by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► reference and so they clearly just fundamentally do not understand what's happening here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► and I think that that's true not just of C. Sharp clearly it's true in C. Plus plus clearly it's true in Objective C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► and I would argue it's true of many many many other languages as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► Even say Javascript you have to understand what's going on under the hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► and so truly honestly understanding what a pointer is I think is the thing that I am most not proud of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► but most thankful for for my education. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and you know it helps to understand what's going on under the hood even if you don't have to deal with it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► lets you it lets you make better decisions up top like at the level you're working at even if you're working at a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► high level. Even work in Java Script a very high level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► You're still by knowing what actually is going on all the way you know and all the levels all the way down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► It does enable you to make better decisions for all your high level coding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► That's exactly right that's exactly the point I'm driving at John for me I think I mean the easy ones. The sort of C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► Professors I think the easy ones are like just like the basics the stuff you learn like a big O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► Notation and algorithms and data structures like it's boring but I think you have to learn it like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► That's type of thing that if I did if I was in a formal class atmosphere I probably wouldn't have gone off to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► But knowing it like it's not like you need to know it every day and you can just look it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► but just even having known it like this point I cannot implement a red black tree if you ask me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► but I know red black trees exist have a vague idea of how they work and if I were to look up an. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Well taken I would be like oh yeah. Versus being like red black tree what the hell is that what's a treaty or Big O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► Notation one of those letters mean in the US like that. That's the basics of a C.S. Education I think of my C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► Courses like that's that's what you need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► and like you build on that because if you don't have that foundation everything just seems like just like like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► product like you learn a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► or like I'm learning this product you wouldn't even see the generalities underneath it and you know some algorithms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and data structures definitely were very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► and I don't know if this was since I was a computer engineering it's like electrical engineering with a few C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► Courses I don't remember if this was technically a C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► Course but the one I found the two I found was one the class where you build your C.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► Up from from logic gates which I had for probably isn't C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► but Like that's like is that like the course you have to have I mean like maybe in your class you didn't do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► I might lay out the chip in like you know we didn't manufacture the like you know doing the electronics design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► but you know all we have to stack like it helps to come from that perspective you know I'm never going to make my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► Just because like look that is the best way to prove that you understand it actually do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► and then the other one is the courses I took where I had to do assembly programming I don't even know if they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► people do this anymore because again maybe this is anything like the reign of microcontrollers and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► but just thousands and thousands and thousands of wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► when the only reason the thousands because do anything in assembly to expand and Thousand someone can family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► and in particular one of the presses I remember who was doing my course were doing one of the microcontroller courses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► He was from A to the telecom background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► and he was like I'm going to show you a structured assembly which is what we use in the telecom industry too so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► don't go insane and you know like it was like seeing the primordial ooze of C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► Where it's like we have to know everything in assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► but we know if you just do whatever the hell you want an assembly it's chaos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and so we we've imposed some you know it's been like this the system of conventions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► and structures to allow you to Proxima. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► and you start to see the sea because he retook was on the course after we'd done seeing such a be like oh like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► see you basically are like a human compiler like when I write it conditionally I always do it in this form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and I always use this label when this type of thing so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► when I squinted someone's code I can if I squint just right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► That gigantic block of incomprehensible assembler turns into like an F in a while in a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► and continue you know like that that was very instructive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► but mostly just like the thousands of lines of the sound because there's no way to write thousands of lines in assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and not understand pointers like when I pointed to them from C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► when I see someone who doesn't understand pointers It's like our job just to seeing your point is they probably won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► but if you make them understand assembly they'll get it hundred percent guaranteed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► Yeah I remember I did a course that out that required a lot of assembly you know like the Mits assembly that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► Around that time and one of the hardest things about that course probably the hardest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► and had to do was during the final exam we were given a block of roughly you know one printed page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► or so of MIT's assembly uncommented And the question is what does this do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► and it was it was like I was sat there for like a half hour like basically like basically compiling it back to see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► my head and I make a little note. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► Here's a little loop here and I think I think I would have ended up doing was like finding duplicate substrings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► or something like you know some kind of basic string processing thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► but it was surprisingly hard to figure that out but that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► when you're looking at it if you actually literally have to translate it to see to understand it it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► translating the language into English you know so you can understand it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Venture like that's what structured assembly does is let you start to look at the assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► and recognize you know the assembly chunks as like the equivalent of an F. but You don't have to translate C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► To see what it does because there's a regular ization of it you know you don't have to like execute every line in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► head like visualize the registers in your head and how they're combining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► and keep track of all them on a piece of paper so you can say you know I mean like it starts to take on a form itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► but the structures algorithms assembly and C.P.U. Design basically just take the whole core. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2753">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► You know I hear a lot from people who say that C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► Degrees are useless flash inferior slash not giving them what they want because they're not being taught you know X. Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► and Which whatever language is hot at the time at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► and you know nothing nothing that we all just mentioned had a lot to do with a particular language that was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► when we went to college you know if if my college taught me a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► when I was there they would have taught me Java and in fact in the intro they do teach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► and they pretty quickly abandon it because it doesn't really it's first and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► when they go to see it in it's have kind of mattering when I would use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► and like for some of the later classes you're already just pick whatever language you want and do your project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► and that which And at the time I was there I was very upset that they weren't teaching me Windows A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► Programming like like Net stuff and had which had just come out about halfway through my college career and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► Plus plus during college and stuff like that I was so mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► and what they told me at the time which I'm sure everyone's heard from there comes I professors is it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► it's not really their job to teach you the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► and they're not really doing you a big favor if they spent a whole lot of time teaching you a particular language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► because chances are your education will go out of date much sooner if you spent half of it learning whatever language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► was popular at the time that you went to college and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► And in reality like all the stuff you do learn in college or in a good C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► Department all the theoretical stuff in the basic principles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► and everything there's really never a time in the field where you get to learn that like there's really not in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► world in the real world workforce there are a lot of opportunities to sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► and you know learn bigger Taishan stuff like that and and so and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► and you don't even know what to look for you know if you didn't get that back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► or you don't even know what to look at them with P.T.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► or What what to look up on land or whatever else and so you know part of part of C.S. Is teaching you things that are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2871">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Are timeless and there are fundamentals and it's hard to see that at the time that you're there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► But once you're out for a while you appreciate that OK Well yeah now I know the fundamentals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► It isn't that hard to learn a new language when I have to do my job I can learn language and you know a week or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► and be pretty good after six months or a year and you know it's it's like you wouldn't want to spend your entire C.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► Education on a language that's going to be out of favor five years ten years later as I like the language has got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► favorite just like in higher ed like they look down their nose at like teaching practical skills that they were not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► vocational school places not apex tech and get your own tools like they want to teach you the concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► and I never had a desire for them to try to teach me like any specific technology and they certainly didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► And also I kind of got the sense that a lot of these professors like we're better mathematicians than they would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► be programmers in especially department like they're not programmers like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► or would want to teach you I think if they would teach you the wrong things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► but what you learned sort of through osmosis is in every class like they just expect you to do OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► and our exercises are going to be in you know sixteen bit assembler or a C. Plus plus or you know plain old C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► or Mathematics are like that it doesn't matter like what you're you know or Matlab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► or like every teacher had some tools you need to use or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► and do this this will let you work through whatever it is until you know they'd be teaching you concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► and algorithms and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► and the tool used to work through them like every class was like oh whatever this professor is like whatever their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► hobby horses they want to do everything in Jolliffe while they're in job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► when you learn the programming language doesn't matter like it as you go like it's an infantile detail of you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► and school is like doing the assignment to understand the concept in your actual job in real jobs is you know making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► and it's like well you know if you've never used before you take this class this professor mated excise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► and Java guess what you're going to learn of Java to do the exercise which will probably be actually end up being a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► of Java surprisingly but that's not where the teaching in the class like yours expect to be able to pick that up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► And that is good training for the real world because in the real world Yeah you're just expected to pick it up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► never done before. Read about it. Buy a book. Figure it out because you need to do your job. Exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► All right our second bunch of this week is our friends once again a transporter at file transporter so file transfer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► It's basically a networked external hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► or a little little puff that you get that transforms one of your hard drive to a networked hard drive that you own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► and control this hardware so you have a hard drive sitting in your house your office you own it you control it it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► your data sitting right there on that drive your data's not up in some cloud service it isn't on some of the company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► servers. It is all right there on your hard drive but it gives you features that are similar to what Dropbox offers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► So it has if you have more than one of these things let's say you and your friend each have one or you have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► or home one at work or one of your parents house or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► You can have them automatically sync and replicate to each other so you can have either part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► or whole so you could do like a shared folder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► You could do like a backup automatically like a sync keeping these two drives entirely in sync so you always have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► offsite backup to the shared folders greater collaborating with a team if you want to share big files that may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► limited me don't fit on Dropbox or maybe buy some kind of regulatory compliance you can't have them and Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► or you know maybe you just don't want to have your files in a cloud service you know for various privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► So transporter is this great device it allows to do all these cool things they also in addition to the sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► and backup nature of these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► and mac apps that allow you to access the files from wherever you are so your transporters could be sitting in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► house and you could be somewhere else you know in the next city or the next country over with your i West device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► or your mac laptop or whatever the case may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► and you can access the files on your home transporter without doing any kind of crazy network set up it does all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► for you. You know that's as good a relay service to do the connection set up but then the files are off the cuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► I'm from your transport of the trip the hard drive sitting in your house and so it's never going to be a cloud service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► It's never the date is never out of your control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► All the transfer of the CO over the internet are all encrypted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► and they don't have the keys your devices have the keys on both sides and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► So really there's there's quite a lot you can do with these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► It's their software is always getting better they recently updated the mac software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► and have even more Dropbox like features now they can even do so do things like automatically sync to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► and from the transporter and all your other devices automatically sync special force such as your desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► or say your music for your pictures for her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► So these don't even have to be on you know in some special location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► or store just on the transporter they will automatically Cindy's folders from your from your computer between your all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► your other computers which is really nice from the dropbox even do so how do you get one of these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► Go to file transporter Store dot com and you can see these things are very reasonably priced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► The best thing about this there are no monthly fees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► You buy the hardware once upfront and you own it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and then there's no monthly fees after that which is a huge savings over cloud services especially if you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► data. So how do you get one of these things this is great one time purchase no monthly fees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► The transporter sync which is a little thing that you it's like a little park and you plug in any U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Hard drive you already have and it has a network putting aside and automatically double these things for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► Transporter sync is just ninety nine dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► There's a five hundred gig transporter with a built in hard drive five hundred gigs for one ninety nine one terabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► for two forty nine and two terabytes for just three forty nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► and you can save an additional ten percent off of all those prices at file transfer of COM save an additional ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3215">TS</a>]
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00:53:46 ◼ ► File transporter Store dot com see how these things can really help you have the feature set of these things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► incredible and it keeps getting bigger and bigger as they update the software and do all sorts of cool stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► So thanks a lot to file transporter for sponsoring our show once again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► and a half hearted attempt to derail me from my beloved software methodology so that was full hearted in her mouth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► You announced to the world on the show that you had received your trash can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► I'm sorry your new computer you know as a trash can it's pretty crappy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► We have like that top or so of actual volume in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► and if you put a bag in there then the fan can pull the air out so it's kind of a bad trash can out you know typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► Can you put one of those blow up men like they have in front of a car dealership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► and they're like well you have the arms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► What's the line from Family Guy like the crazy inflatable or waving guy or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► Why do you waving inflatable aren't willing to make. Somebody has to make one of those for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► I'm sure I'm sure it's going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► You know leave it up to like I don't know but if you see somebody is going to make one of those. But yeah I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► Yeah I mean what you want to so I give a little quick thing at the end of last show during the after show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► and you know basically there's not that much a talk about it's faster which I knew going into it from benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► and there is a certain nuance to the faster ness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► So my previous macro I had gotten one of those but if you see Excelsior cards which is basically a P.C.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► Express card with two little S.S.D. Would two little serially D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► Cards in RAID zero controlled by the card and then it shows up to the system as just one drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► So one of those you know cheapo software it kind of things I imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► and so that you know there's a lot of wires of intricacy there are a lot of translation layers a lot of lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► components on the new one the S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► Is not only a higher grade higher you know higher speed flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► and presumably a more advanced controller than what these were using because it's just simply newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► but also the new S.S.D. Is P.C.I. Express native. And I'm not entirely sure on the intricacies of how these work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► But as far as I know that requires fewer levels of translation fewer bridge in-vitro chips along the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► So what it what it is compared to the old MacPro It is simply more consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► and it feels like there are fewer bottlenecks and this is all very hard to measure at this my are holed up in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► This might be like audio file cables like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► This might not hold up to which I call upon a lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► but if I say pano pano I don't know I thought it was pronounced piece of crap. It will say that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► So how do you pronounce it in a triangle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► So it's faster and it's faster not only you know like I've done a bunch hand-written code since I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► and so then they are so you know at least fifty percent faster then you know just just on the frame rate to hit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► handbrake reports I'd say fifty percent on some one thing that I think bench bears that out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► So it is faster but it also feels more consistent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► It feels like there are fewer little bottlenecks little hiccups here and there the Excelsior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► or not I'm not sure I'd recommend it because well first of all it's now a dated now you know the era of P.C.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► Express card aftermarket cards is pretty limited now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► but I'm not sure I recommend it simply because you can now get one terabyte it has eased into the half inch bays for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► So it's not as necessary and B I always it always felt a little bit inconsistent in its performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► and that could just be in my head I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► Beyond that with the new one it's it's a lot quieter and I really it's a dramatic difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► Like I always thought the macro was quiet but man this is this is even quieter I would say it's quieter in most use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► Then my MacBook Pro and not you know not the math of procreating it's manner highly. Quieter than an Apple Pro at idle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► To my ears but again that could just be that that isn't a precise measurement I haven't taken on but I do have an S.P.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► Meter I should try to but anyway. If you've ever go anyway. So overall it's fantastic there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► There's not that much more to say though it's it's just fantastic. It is not you know four times faster C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► Wise than my old one but it is faster and it is really really nice and it looks awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► and look even better once again as we've gotten top So yeah overall I give it a thumbs up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► What are you doing with your old macro is that getting the queen's to TIFF. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► If so what's happening to Tess will tip has the identical model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► She actually got hers back in twenty time when it was new so she is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► I'm going to what I'm saying is tentatively I'm assuming that in roughly a year maybe a little bit less than a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3532">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► The next mac pro will be out that'll have the has well E.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► Chips and that will unlike this one that will actually come with a per clock performance gain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► So we should see a nice single threaded jump there the same way we do now with Leno. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► That's that's the whole reason why the IMAX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and Napa pros now are occasionally in some measure much faster than the new pro in single threaded stuff because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► have the has well cores and they have a little bit more efficiency peroxide on how much they can get done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► So those that have not come to the on line yet so that is not in the new MacPro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► but it will be in the new MacPro probably a year from now so I'm guessing a year from now I'll buy one of those for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► myself and I give this one the test of a great her she really wants one too it's so much quieter and so much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and that it physically will help a lot in our office like the like I still have my old one sitting below my desk here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► but it's going to having this little tiny cylinder on top of my desk instead of the tremendous tower below my desk is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► going to allow me to like totally rearrange the physical space here. And same thing on her side of the office. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► So there's a lot of genes there that are not just you know the specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► but just the physicality of it you know the the size the noise the cables. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► Stuff like that So overall a plus one thing I noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► when I restored to it so I I haven't been doing this Clunes recently which I think is a mistake I'm going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► I've been relying on a combination of Time Machine and online backup and so I so when I got this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► and I did a restore from time machine over the network and with post on this analogy box I don't have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► but I stopped covered harddrive enclosures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► and Time Machine restorer worked great except that certain things aren't backed up time machine and it's annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► and i took me and I still haven't quite figured out what overall has been executed. You know the data is all there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► but like certain apps lost their preferences certain key chain things although not all of the key chain mysteriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3653">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► certain key chain things aren't there and I had to reintroduce that sort of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► Certain apps like losing losing entire configurations of some apps and I don't know why that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► but it was not a perfect clone and so I so I I want to get back into the cloning business again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► and I haven't quite decided how to do that I'd rather not have a desk with harddrive enclosures on it so I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► maybe of trying I suppose you with the phonology but I suppose he requires a kernel extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► and that's uncomfortable so I don't know I'm actually curious to hear from listeners like if you do I skuzzy does it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► is it a pain in the butt basically like with oh S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► but it's a bug is it weird why do you need to use I tell you I'm sure to stew a super duper clone to a disk image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► Honor's analogy I suppose I could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► but then how do you restart from that same way just as you were just you know I guess you got the whole thing to boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► from but they just need their own super and you get into a state where you can run super duper and then clone from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► The disk image back onto your drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► You need like kind of an in between a drive to be like your your way station because you can't clone onto a drive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► you're booted from but that's not I mean that's not hard to do if you do that on a U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► Cable like assuming you can boot from it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► One thing I have a thought about actually was was just just getting a bus powered two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and a half inch hard drive enclosure that was like a one terabyte disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► and therefore it will cost substantially less than the I scale the software for it for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and I just like you know zip tied to the bottom my debts when you can see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► but I'm not sure I wouldn't hear it I'm assuming it could be put to sleep if you were near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► and I have a bus powered one terabyte and it's even black just like a macro is already there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► Oh it's like the Dr go to sleep you would leave it on mounted most of the time and you'll never hear it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► Yeah I think I think I might try that first because that's that's just so much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► and then the other thing is I actually one of the reasons they were trying to ask but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► But I might also do the the drive strapped to the desk method instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► Is that back please does not backup network drives and they've made little hints here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► and there that they might consider in the future but it doesn't seem like they're there in a big rush to do that so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► And I mention in previous shows that the other options like a crash plan just don't work very well for me with various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► issues so I would love to have I have this like four terabyte share on my phonology that is storing with all my large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3802">TS</a>]
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01:03:51 ◼ ► and just kind of like hide them under my desk somewhere so I can't see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► and figure out ways of unmounting tricks so they don't hear them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3835">TS</a>]
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01:04:10 ◼ ► Well actually it has stopped collecting dust because the fans aren't running into any more sucking dust through it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3850">TS</a>]
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01:04:24 ◼ ► and I took a trip this past week and so I've been I've been very very busy just organizing things and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► Disorganizing things so I will let you know soon how it's going to like I still haven't even rewired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3871">TS</a>]
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01:05:18 ◼ ► and I want to wrap it around enough times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3918">TS</a>]
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01:05:46 ◼ ► and it changed it's no big deal and you're afraid to actually cut the cables. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3946">TS</a>]
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01:06:00 ◼ ► Mayor but are you eventually offloading your macro onto Dan or is it going to be a charity case he'll give it to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► I thought you hated that stops I don't want to macro you kid me that's stupid. Exactly who would want an old one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► Hintin tinting my new video card is awesome but like spinning disks on this macro like just it's becoming unbearable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/3977">TS</a>]
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01:07:03 ◼ ► Look I really sell this one for you know I mean this one might be faster because it's in the slot but I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4023">TS</a>]
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01:07:21 ◼ ► Used to do computations of like that so it really isn't that interesting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4041">TS</a>]
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01:07:52 ◼ ► or something and be like people used to have those things under a desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► or the size of the idea you made a fire is like it's going to be seen as going to seem absurd. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4076">TS</a>]
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01:08:08 ◼ ► Thirty four cube which was like oh my god they put the whole computer into a cube probably smaller like it's skinnier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4088">TS</a>]
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01:08:30 ◼ ► time ever it was even even when the cheese grater one first came out in two thousand and six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4110">TS</a>]
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01:09:26 ◼ ► and change the guts keep the schooling system everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4166">TS</a>]
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01:09:37 ◼ ► or like a better G.P.U. A new computer and I could have a desktop G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4177">TS</a>]
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01:09:48 ◼ ► than that in fact they don't need to be as proved by the amazing power that's in this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4188">TS</a>]
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01:10:12 ◼ ► and not that far above regular intel consumer Seaview pricing I was not before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4212">TS</a>]
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01:10:38 ◼ ► or whatever down the line I can put them back in their box and it's easier and it saves them money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► and everything else and I know it's relatively safe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► So in my basement I have two giant mac pro boxes from the from mine and saves old ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► and this one the box is like the size of a bookshelf speaker but even that is an improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4252">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► and I just you know you never think about but it all adds up. I think about it as I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4260">TS</a>]
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01:14:47 ◼ ► and I'm in this weekend where I know we can go down the road of cable still mattered cetera et cetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► but he's been giving me a hard time for a while because John had mentioned in the past that he is either seeking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4493">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► or had found a new avi receiver and my dad has also just found a new A.V. Receiver and I don't recall what it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► But regardless was very interested to hear how John landed or is intending to land on the A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► Receiver of his choice and my father whom I love dearly has been giving me grief every week asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► when we're going to get to this topic so Dad This one's for you. John tell me about A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4524">TS</a>]
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01:15:32 ◼ ► Receiver is because as I think I explained about all I first talking about my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► Is the number of H T M I pour it on T.V. It seems to be going down even on the super expensive ones of my new fancy T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► Had three H T M I am but I think compared to like four or five a mile one and I remember the exact numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► but anyway Les and I I had devices I didn't have any place to plug them in so I needed some kind of solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► and a receiver is one possible solution but before that I tried to just get an H T M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4555">TS</a>]
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01:16:10 ◼ ► or whatever they wanted in our story views were super high end like installed by value added reseller kind of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► and those didn't have any better uses than of any reviews because sites like that don't people who made reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► and I like that much any receiver so I resigned myself to getting it received as far as your dad is concerned I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► think what I have to say will be useful because this is just a general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► when people ask like what kind of action I buy the more you know about a topic the more you're just inclined to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Well it depends on your needs. But that's so true because like for A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► Receivers when I'm reading product reviews I know what I want like I'm basically getting the world's fancy's H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Switcher and I have specific features that are specific features that are super important to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► but that may not be important all the other people and on the reverse the features that most A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► Receivers use talk about what kind of speakers they can power how clean an audio signal they get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► or all that I don't care about because I'm going to have crappy speakers. They're not going to sound good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► I'm not buying this thing as a sound system. I don't care about Internet radio I don't care about music playback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► All these things that are you know may be the primary most important features of a lot of people who are buying A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► Receivers so the one that I bought is probably not important because my needs are so weird like what I wanted was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► huge number of H.D. My ports the ability to switch the H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► Ports without turning the device on I mean like on on I know they're always you know you know what I mean like without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► having to think powered on all the time because I'm turning it on and off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► and the ability to hook up all the devices I have like I have I have component video devices like the Playstation two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► and my we in the Game Cube and I have composite input devices. The Game Cube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► We're going to have composite or component for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► but I well I have all sorts of legacy devices that once again on the back of my new T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► There's no place to plug them in because you know that's one of the one of video ports no composite video port you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► all that stuff I want to play stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► and we're getting a gigantic receiver box that's got a million plugs in the back of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► I'm I will find one that fits all my devices that are tons of A.C.I.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► but They can switch in standby mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► and I don't care about almost anything else so I don't think the one I ended up with this particular useful I ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► with a Yamaha. But this is our X.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► Six seventy three I should look this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► and anyway something like that that even the particular model number is interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► when I was looking through the reviews I spent a long time reading reviews about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► Again ignoring almost everything that's important to me is looking at the few features that I'm interested in narrowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► There's a newer version of the Yamaha receiver with a slightly higher number like six seventy five instead of six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► seventy three but the features they added I don't care about any of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► and all of the features that I do care about are identical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► And there's this thing even so there's a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and I chose it with sort of I run the programmer's bias towards new models like if you write software for a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► or if you're a software afficionado I may be just me I find myself strangely compelled like I have to get the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► and the reason why is because it's like empathy like I can empathize with a program you know how good you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► when you deleted that massive amount of code is no longer needed to replace it with simpler code even though does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► exactly the same thing even though you may have actually introduced a bug because the old code worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► but you feel so much better about oh god I can't leave people out there using my old version the new version I deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► like seven hundred lines of code is just so much cleaner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► I got rid of this flag variable you know like you just feel so good about you like please stop crying I came believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► people in executing that whole program I'm so terribly happy running a new one right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► So in summary this is a new version of his software. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► I feel that way like I feel that way for them I feel like of course the idea of the new version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► I can only imagine how much better this new version must be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Even if it looks functionally identical on the net a single feature and it's the same speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► I just know it's got to be better in the code like I know that feeling well I have the same feeling about like well six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and six any thought of course you know six seventy five like why would you give the six hundred three it's crazy I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► sure they fix tons of bugs and six seventy five and maybe that consolidates of chips and it puts out less heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► and I can come up with those elaborate fantasy scenarios about why the six seventy five should be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► but I was good this time and I made myself say no you don't care about like they added better Pandora streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► or some other crazy thing where you can plug in and I don't like I'm not going to use those features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► and the six seventy three with a one hundred bucks less than Amazon so I bought the like basically last year's model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► and it does all the things that it said it would do now the reason I put this thing in here is because despite the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► that I was able to shop based on feature stuff one of the things that people don't talk about in their use for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► part is how terrible all consumers are in terms of the user interface and how they get together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4854">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► and I was thinking about like it's not that hard if if if a programmer is a design A.V. Receiver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► Like when I conceptualize it and in fact in a lot of the manuals you'll find a big like truth table or grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► or it's like if input is from this device video input is from this device in or do you put it in that device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► and audio output can be on this output unlike the like a truth table of a matrix of a given these inputs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► and outputs what combinations are valid or much combinations aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► and right away this kind of pressure I am sure there are physical you know limitations of like well if you have video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► coming in a composite and you don't have something converts as you can output the video to your television H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► Unless you have a chip to do that not you know I understand the limitations to define it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► but ideally you'd want look I could take anybody O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► Source any audio source and put them any any inputs and send them out and the outputs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► Any combination of obviously that's you know again optimistic there's hard work in trying to stop from you didn't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► that's what you'd like is the ideal but within the realm of the things that you can do these inputs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4914">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Some no doubt but for whatever is valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► and all the other settings you can have you know the feeling things the balance of the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► and if you're sending it out to the seconds on an old like a million features a receiver is better if you visualize all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► those all those settings the bare minimum I think any programmer would do is say give me an ability to save all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► current settings under a name and let me select that name and have to change all those settings for that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► and I've never found a receiver that even does that. They all want to be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► Well when you say the setting what you're really saying is when you change this input we implicitly change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► but you only have one set of speaker level settings or if you have two of those that's a separate scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► but the scene doesn't affect the inputs and the impulse on effect the surround mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► and this dialog delay is independently adjustable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► and is not tied to the input of like if it's the most Byzantine mess of crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► and it's harder I think it's harder for them to do that it like the stupid simple thing is every single setting under a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► name. Whatever the current state of the machine is right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► and then any time you go back to name everything assigning an entire machine back to that's the stupidest better woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► you have subsets Here's one set for free speaker level you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► Here's one set for input combinations Here's one something like And then you can combine those sets like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► but I'm not even talking about the just like the stupidest thing a programmer could think of as I have a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► There's only certain valid states set every cell in the way you want it save it all under name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► So you're basically resigned to say look I basically have to choose one set of speakers else because this this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► does not have a choice of a way to change because levels based on inputs or if it does it's a complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► or some other features I have to resign myself to just pick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► and compromise there because I'm never going to go into these menus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► and like turn out the Centre Town just a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► when it's on this point because it's just too cumbersome Summers got the kind of a happy medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► and then for these other features I know these are tied to a preset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► when I change this piece I have to remember to change the other thing because the other thing doesn't follow it with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► and why. I'm not going to the Blu ray player but the sound coming back from the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► I don't want to come back on the only return channel because then it's only two channels because of some insane reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► so I think the OP is out of it I have to but they all do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► but to be a before that only want to go into the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► and it's like the amount of Basically bottom line is to get to the point where I can work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► but anywhere else in my family tries to use the television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► It's too complicated and no a single learning remote won't solve all this because of the timing delays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► and how long it takes. Turn things on and off and it gets into where it states and you really want to disable its T.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► or whatever the hell they call that thing where the mind of an end where you devise a control each other a say Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► hundreds more problems to the next in your best bet is just turn that off so you're fighting chance of managing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► So in general I think I picked the right receiver for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► Probably not the right receiver for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and everybody who makes receivers should just be like I say taking a shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► but let's just say given a stern talking to about how our software could do to help them because I feel like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5093">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► trying to help they're trying to be like you can be like you're in an opera hall this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and it's like just start from the basics save everything or studying under sail name that interface sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► but still better than what you have now and then work your way up from there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► You know what you're describing it almost sounds like you want the apple approach to the receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► and please don't email me because I haven't thought this through because I didn't do any research Libya new category it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► and I'd to be honest I don't think it's really in Apple's interest to do the sort of thing but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► But maybe we need like a nasty you know a bunch of X. Apple people or just smart people doesn't have to be X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► Apple to come in and say you know what here's a receiver done right and we will we will be an omnivore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► and consume all these different inputs and give you one or perhaps more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► and for whatever reason output that makes sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► Well the they would NEVER provide what I'm asking for which is let me change every single feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► I mean save them as a set because that's a terrible interface for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► but I like that they would never do that they would just say oh we've decided all the settings for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► and you don't have to change them which is fine for what you want but my big complaint is they give you the settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► but then they're like some of them are global some of them are semi local Some of them are local only and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► when you save a preset bike you're saving some weird subset of that and it's just terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► So when you're making your own you need to see them like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► That's what I keep thinking about it like it's going to be I would be OK Well no no I'd like in terms of it's find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► people Bennett's offer like we're also used to you know car makers and everyone is not going to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► or an interface is ugly and they look like the silk like M S Das or they used to be like you're excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► when they've had onscreen control the U.C.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► Buttons and everything but it's like Isn't it easier to do it the dumb way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► Like it's almost it's almost like they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► and it's the worst products through software like the easier to implement solution is still insanely unfriendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5210">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► but it's still so much better than what they're offering because this is no way any regular person is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► understand the even with the giant table of valid Commission's input output. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► They don't explain like what settings are linked to each other which setting can be changed independently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► and which like you have to send in the source code for like to figure out like when I change this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► but I change to a different setting which settings change wrenching change in which setting says same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► and it doesn't depend on what the settings are and what things are turned on of the timer like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► Seems like the stupidest thing you possibly think of would be better than what we have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► when I think we like nester Apple like Nest is trying to not have you the nest thing is like all people know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► is turn the dial hotter when they're hot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► When they're cold and cold or when they're hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► and that's all we should expect them do will do the right thing which is a noble goal and it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5268">TS</a>]
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01:33:17 ◼ ► but they're way better than like that crappy stereo speakers I had like there's a couple hundred I've spent a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5597">TS</a>]
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01:33:54 ◼ ► but I only have the subwoofer in the center in the left and right speakers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5634">TS</a>]
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01:34:08 ◼ ► through the floor drilling to the ceiling and I just didn't want to deal with any of that and such never did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5648">TS</a>]
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01:34:19 ◼ ► but just having proper non built into the T.V. Speakers and a subwoofer makes a world of difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5659">TS</a>]
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01:34:47 ◼ ► and all miss those rear speakers but generally speaking I'm fine I'm perfectly happy with just the left right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5687">TS</a>]
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01:35:14 ◼ ► specialty speaker company and so they were like three hundred bucks for the pair or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5714">TS</a>]
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01:35:49 ◼ ► and there's little tiny thing power in them that has a little tiny remote even smaller than the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5749">TS</a>]
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01:36:00 ◼ ► Speakers and these lesson write with no centers just different between T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► and Means is just that you know what John John I think this I think is an address you need just from how to center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► shall like you're able to hear what's going on the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► Better at lower volumes because the speakers are larger They're directed more at you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► They're better quality and so you can understand things a lot better without having to crank it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► but it's not it's not the speaker quality it's the mix like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5784">TS</a>]
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01:36:45 ◼ ► in the left and right almost all dialogue is in the center. That's only if your receiver is terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5805">TS</a>]
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01:37:07 ◼ ► and send it out to the centers and saw in like a or just to the stereo mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► but I want I want to trust the person who did the five point one mix to properly makes it between left right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► and center I find them because I've I've done it the other way yes you can do I can just you know I can just power on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5836">TS</a>]
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01:37:35 ◼ ► Well regardless so I have in my opinion a very very close approximation to the value of a full system a full five point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5855">TS</a>]
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01:37:49 ◼ ► new MacPro and about twice the deep and serious about the no that's because I hate external subs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5869">TS</a>]
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01:38:04 ◼ ► I don't like the imprecise kind of the source of where it's coming from you know wherever that's you tucked it behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► the T.V. or Whatever it doesn't it never sounds right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► I like speakers that are big enough to do their own sub offering so these you know bookshelf speakers for T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5894">TS</a>]
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01:38:27 ◼ ► and like you know the full floor height speakers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► I really really hate actual subwoofer they didn't they do not sound good they never sounded good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5909">TS</a>]
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01:38:50 ◼ ► when correctly calibrated in most of the good receivers these days have some usually pretty crappy were way better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5930">TS</a>]
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01:39:04 ◼ ► and I was amazed at how how low level it put the sub like this guy was like is a sub working at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► I didn't you didn't hear that annoying kind of where is that rumbly think coming from the propre level for subs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► and I tell you live now is basically like I can hear it at all it just sounds like my speakers have more bass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► and in the few movies that really just you know thunder that out with an explosion it works well there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► But otherwise you should basically not hear it just make you know my crappy tiny even smaller than bookshelf speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► feel like oh they actually have low end it's a miracle of science but really it's like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5974">TS</a>]
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01:39:49 ◼ ► but like you know if if I'm going to have bookshelf speakers even compact bookshelf speakers I think that's big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► you know the you know the woofers on them are big enough to provide How big is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► How big is the biggest cone or whatever you use including the rubber gasket around it's five inches across. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6000">TS</a>]
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01:40:16 ◼ ► and I was one of my requirements right speakers is because you've seen the room that they're in like I have no place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► put speakers on like well he's just they could kind of be really small so I can tuck them in you know they get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► One of the surround speakers is like there amongst the pictures so it has to be pretty much the height of a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► and conspicuous as possible you know. So I defined it is about those otherwise it would just be you know nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► My biggest con is like three NEVER four inches and they're you know I also I greatly you know as much as I can alter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6038">TS</a>]
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01:41:09 ◼ ► Could power them that would be one more thing that I could remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► but it can't so a well I just I'm very happy just keeping things as simple as I possibly can and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► Well hey that now there's less for him to wreck or pull down or you know pull the wires out of or eat or anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► They saw two or three sponsors this week transporter King and Squarespace and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► The show is over accidental. And you are sitting on the current system that can live and so I went on this trip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6096">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► Did you survive it. I did I think the trip was my my my friend from my friend from high school is getting married. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► I'm the best man and for his bachelor party he want to do the ski trip in Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► and one of the things that we we also had the idea you know what let's try a leg in because we we were the two that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6174">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► always start all the land games back in high school and we had games of total annihilation and then later on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► and more recent games mostly total annihilation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► So we thought you know we we would have like Apple laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► and if you if you the other guys were coming on the trip also were part of this group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► and also had laptop so let's let's just try to set up you know basic when game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► and age this would be easy that we're trying to run a game that came out in one thousand nine hundred six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► How hard could apartment twenty seven to me. How hard could it possibly be to run this game in twenty fourteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► And so I first tried a few things I tried like you know what would be easiest is if I can get it running in virtual box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► because virtual boxes free and then I can just copy the V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► Between anyone's computer that needs it and just launch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► and we could be guaranteed to have the same set up in everyone's computer isn't just copying a V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► Well first of all what version of Windows do you run well if you want to pirate from or do you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Like you know you know how do you deal with copying if it's activation all this crap then I settled on I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► get the version of Windows eight point one that Microsoft is offering for a developer preview right now for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► because that you can download it there's no activation and it only runs for ninety days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► but that's all we needed to meet we needed to run for so fine right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► So I get all that and try installing it in a virtual box and the game just does not run right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► Virtual Box You know we want to play three games total annihilation movies commander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► and if possible Supreme Commander which is much newer and higher higher needs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► So we want to run those three games and you know virtual box just doesn't or doesn't run right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► We tried parallels I've heard of before I got there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► Parallels are supposedly the best one of these things of gaming disaster by the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► Really annoying like parallel that like the crap installs that asking you is really of noxious really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► Ware but they can see parallels that are the games they only say because well I'll try that next year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► There was always my choice because it was always the much more professionally made of the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► and you could feel it like in in all the different variants and just seemed like the more adult version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► Ware also didn't work right for these games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► but OK well I guess I can try boot camp so I tried to camp Everything works great now I get everything set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► and I in order to try to mitigate having to mess with computers for hours on exam knew we wouldn't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► or motivation to do that on a ski trip where we you know we would get home from a ski resort get home from dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► and just want to like try to start a game in ten minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► and play you know if it takes more than ten minutes to set up once where there were no was no want to do it so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► make it simple so that our boot camp I know that even the most recent version of Windows bootcamp works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► and I bought the steam versions of these two games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► and sub come about the steam versions so they were there so chiefly the social games a total of eleven dollars to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► both of them so I said All right so he mailed everyone I said are here for you to do if you have a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► Laptop bring it install the steam versions of these two games. Here's the links. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► Able to see only eleven dollars please install them now before you get here that way when you get here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► Everyone has the same version of the game ever has the same games everyone has the same maps everything's updated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► No one has to deal with cds or CD checks or CD cracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► or any of that crap to deal with trying to get my games going we were teenagers. So this should work perfectly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► So I get there. One guy doesn't have a dimple camp it's only in V.M. Ware which doesn't work and can't boot it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► One guy had installed one of the games the other game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► and hasn't launched even while serving us to update on this like satellite connection in the woods that we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► We spend probably a good forty five minutes trying to get one game started of the simple as possible thing passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► Keys back and forth copying all this crap between the two computers having steam launch and failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► and not going to the Internet in the not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► and then want to update itself not have the updates of course of course nobody had actually done what I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► or they didn't half of it or they don't you know a half assed job of the thing they didn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► and finally we get the games both launched both running and can't see each other over the network. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► Let's get some bourbon and that then I became a bourbon one instead of a video gaming night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► and this is like I tell this here because this is the this is still like the state of trying to get a land so I mean in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► the end of the day though your evening became better because it involved bourbon instead of old P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► Games to be fair it probably would have ended in Bourbon regardless but at least that way even after the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► or maybe during you know halfway through the games. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► They should have brought in tennis sixty four you could hook up the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► and I know a man I want to work that actually does that we'll be able to get a lot of that too that we're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► living better the whole time I was thinking like of course we all had to be like the difficult nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► and like these weird P.C. R.T.S. Games like why couldn't we all just like an X.-Box game and be so much easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► No no we had we had to be difficult for a little while anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► Pretty soon you're not going to plug in Tennessee or into the back of a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► Because the you know nothing we have composite parts but in some crappy hotel was probably there for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► You probably can get some sort of like cheap a converter box to have has H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► Out on it you know that's more thing you got to bring like you know a couple laptops take up less space in a bag than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► and a few controllers I know that in their divorce like you control that that's that's the flaw in your plan which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► we're relying on other people to successfully do something you like well I've done the hard work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6527">TS</a>]
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01:48:54 ◼ ► and that was you know that's the downfall of like here if you want to work you should have been like calling each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► person on the phone a week before three days before a day and say hey I don't want to set up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► Have you launched a ham not running in a V.M. Are you I know you might be doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► Boot camp means you reboot the whole computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► and you just say Windows No it's not going to you know like you have to like nag them to death until you confirm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► and then I do test games very good you know to make sure you can see each other than that we're going to have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► You're connecting this team for the first time from this computer please grant your password Oh I don't know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► like there's so many there's so many places you can go wrong it does not surprise me that you were unsuccessful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► Well and another idea I had was to use rent like four laptops before I got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► and because you can rent labs from some from some places including tech serve here in the cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► and like you can just rent a laptop like let me just configure them before even go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► and bring my own bring a stack of four like thirteen inch map with pros pre-configured to work exactly the way I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► to but that would've cost a thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► and didn't I thought you know everyone will have laptops in a way that would be wasteful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► But you know let's see let's see what we can do I'm sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► It's so easy to install any version of Windows install the steam versions of these games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► and bring your computer that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► No that's not at the thought that this is the good version like Steam is just you know is that the mirror the modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► miracle of P.C. Gaming is that it makes it so much easier you know right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► No serial number of none of that crap ever of the same version it's always updated like come on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► Sounds like fun although you know I'm a little disappointed that you didn't try to bring all these computers through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► neither gate checked or through baggage claim or whatever because there's no reason why that should be a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► but there would have been a humongous problem with that. Oh yeah like you know why does one person need four laptops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► Clearly you're trying to hack the N.S.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► but What else could you be using for laptops for all you know what I was gonna buy the pano thing there's not much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► say about pano I wrote a thing about it a few months ago into it again tonight I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► But basically it lead to an article by my favorite writers Dan Rather of Dan's data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6658">TS</a>]
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01:51:10 ◼ ► debunking the whole thing about how you know it it turns out you can't hear the difference between you know over forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► four point one kilohertz files and over sixteen bit resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► and you know all the all of the supposed benefits of this like high bit rate high you know high sample rate high high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► I definitely music rather you know there is a real thing with remastering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► and you know you have like the loudness war making music sound terrible the way it's released on CD and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► and then a lot of these a lot of these high definition releases that are like it you know one hundred to kill or hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► or something like that twenty four bit thirty two bit flow whatever it is a lot of them will have a better more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► even less F.M. Radio like mastering so that they will sound better just because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6715">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► It's like they were mastered love better and they were you know crushed and compressed less in the dynamic range. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► So there are lots of reasons why some of these things sound better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► but none of them are the bit rate of the sample rate above a certain point and that point is pretty much CD quality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► And so you know these things like pot I mean a guy could talk forever about audio file stuff and I won't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► But let me quickly interrupt you for those who don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► Pano Pono pony cone the whatever it's called is this thing by Neil Young where it's supposed to be a high fidelity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► portable music player and I'm assuming there's a store associated with that is that correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► You know it's a it's basically trying to be like a high definition version of i Tunes So it has the device plus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► music store that goes along with a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► and this will you know this it's a whole new ecosystem that is I believe funded on Kickstarter shortly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6773">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► or about to be fun to kick start or at least it will be put on Kickstarter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► Sure if it will succeed but it's already like funded like double funded like a one of a hundred grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► and they've got one point six pledged already. Yeah that's not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► but I think that is good I'm rooting for the ecosystem to become vibrant because that what it means is that we'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► able to get like you know two fifty six kilohertz Lossie rips of all of their well mastered tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that's like you know this is one of those things where it would be nice for you know mastering engineers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► have like a market force to make things better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► Unfortunately I think they're already do I think you know the general drop in the Rev In the relevance of radio helps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► lot. I believe Apple's called mastered for i Tunes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► but opening up an audio app it's still kind of like a wall of like it there then I am a great range as best we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► looking for the like you know from the loudest sort of quiet is that you just look at the wave form of the waveform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6834">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► One big screen goal that's that that goes the full height of the thing all across that's that's your problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► and there are the massive Rogers ones are better in that regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► but they're nothing like if you look at like the levels on like vinyl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► or whatever where there was the quiet sections were really little ripples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► and then the loud sections just started to go close to touching the edges all I can to graft on a line where the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► you know amplitude over what I think I have faith in the mastering of these people are going to do with their crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► and everything that that mastering will be more aggressive in terms of the manic range than even the master tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► and so that's why actually I was serious I really do look forward to if I can get you know some of my favorite songs as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► as a six kilobit rips of those last was crazy high bitrate ones that I'll be able to experience a song in a new way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► with a much bigger dynamic range and even better than the Manson tried to write I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► but like it's like you know it's not like the placebo effect is like well you can argue that it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6895">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► but it doesn't work for the reason people think it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► It's like they've been the kind of thing like these these tracks might sound better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► but it's not because of any of the technical things that they have on a platform it's entirely because of the input. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► You know how the media has mastered going in like that that would be why they sound better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► You know if it turns out if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► and there's a there's a number of sites that offer this like man I forget if I have them our complete Yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► really cool if you go to M.P.'s three or not dot com This is this is hilarious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► So it lets you play to play basically automate an ab X. Test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► So an A B X test in brief and please people of science on the part of the from messing this up. And A B X test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► So Eve heard about a beat try try one thing and for another thing and see which one you think is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► and the problem with that is what the problem is that but it's easy to like hear things that aren't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► or perceive things that aren't there and you don't really know so a V.X. Test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6956">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► Is you have two unlabeled inputs or even label doesn't matter to inputs A and B. and Then you have this X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► and You say here's a here's B. Listen as much as you want. Here's X. He's a little as much as you want is X. A or B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► and So M P three or not this size is an example one of these things. So it says All right so you have you know A and B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► Like a is a high bit rate and B. Three B. Is a lower bit rate M P three. What is X. Is it the is it the three twenty K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► or The one twenty eight K. and P. Three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► And I tried I tried the site on my set up which I currently have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► but many people would argue with the best headphones in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► I could not tell the difference between these two I have I failed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► I got it right about half the time which means that I'm failing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► You know that's that's you know random guessing so I could not tell the difference reliably on this site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► and you know people there's always more things you can blame you can blame my lack of sophisticated years you can blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7014">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► some other part of my setup you can blame the fact that these are both M P three S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:04 ◼ ► and Neither one of them is a loss of file or whatever the case may be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7024">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► But it's one of the things like hearing the difference here is a larger psychological with a lot of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► and if you add in a lot of the a lot of the possible upgrades and enhancements and fidelity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► or hardware advance notice in the audio world a lot of them don't seem to be accessed including things like fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:29 ◼ ► cables or even fancy apps a lot of this just does not hold up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7049">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► and you know the reality is most people even even the audio files who own and buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► and talk about these things usually even they have a pretty hard time in a B.X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► Testing tell the difference between things like M P three bit rates fancy cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► and fancy amps for every three bit rates a lot of it depends on if the actual specific song they're playing to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► happens to hit one of the areas that M B three encoding is bad it's encoded like this pathological case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7074">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► It's like you know you get that M P three sizzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► but only for certain sounds with a certain cadence in a certain frequency so if you play some song that does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► any of that noise in it you won't die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► That's what people are going to look at the artifacts like it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► when you know you're not running into one of these areas where the way the N.B.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► Three cheats end up becoming visible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:19 ◼ ► and so I could it's like you know just I don't even know the sort of like sort of middle of the road classical music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7099">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► was sort of like nice tones and it's not like high frequency high pitched drumming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► and cymbals where you might start to hail here a little bit those artifact the sizzles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► but that's basically what I have better still if I was trying to listen for something of what I'd be listening for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► those artifacts and I know those are in fact from the days of like you know ninety six kilobit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► and all the rigs you know super overcompressed like those same artifacts like oh in this part of so I can totally hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► all this fuss keep cranking up the bit rate around one twenty eight pretty much almost all that fuzz goes away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► but there's maybe a little bit left to fifty six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► I can't hear anything in three twenty Certainly I can hear any difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► but what I do hear definitely from you know as I have lots of copies of the same music bought on remastered on CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► and stuff like that in the original on CD and in the crappy original CD release I hear differences in the mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► and that's more important to me than the bit rate at this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► Yeah I definitely notice older like I still live pretty much my entire music collection from whenever I start first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► So ninety six something like that and the empty trees that were ripped way back then when our tools weren't as good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► Nobody knew what settings to use arguably nobody does today but certainly more do than ninety six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► I can absolutely hear compression artifacts particularly with symbols especially there I can I can hear a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► artifacts but compare that to anything ripped in the last five to ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► and I agree with you that once you hit for me it's about one hundred to over one hundred two I don't think it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► difference I feel like one twenty eight maybe it's. But I feel like one twenty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► I can still hear the artifacts one ninety two is all I need now I'm happy. So titles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► Let's go to the ticker All right let's go to bed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► Well I will say that I am very close to releasing the Iowa seven update for fast text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► and I really need to do it well in the next six months so I didn't overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► Can you put a foot a feat based Easter egg in there for me to figure something out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► and if you don't beat overcast you should really feel ashamed because of the relative complexity of the that locations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► is not damaged John don't you sell fast tech shortly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► No such I just set myself back a month you should be able to beat me pretty easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► You know I've been working with a designer Jason Jacob's Ladder and he's been very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► and on a wildly unrelated note I've been playing with no J.S. What I really like it. I kind of feel dirty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► That's good man that you're actually doing something more recent than anything John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► and I will probably ever do think about it I do know it's awful to seriously makes me hate javascript even more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7255">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► Web Developer united capital times I was kept at the fact of life. Sad sad fact of life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► but doing javascript in the browsers in many it's a far cry I know it's not the browser writing real programs with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► javascript which prevents the what in your web developer is doing at this point you're not just like those the way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► me to script the browser that age path long ago were writing real programs and jobs covenant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► when you had to write a real program in a language that's what makes you really hate it because you like it if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► speak your language this wouldn't be so stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► For a start it not a little balls and all the things that are like still kind of half built and still immature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► or even just like every time I do that a distressing manipulations like you were so close you had all the features I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► find access stupid. Of course a Perl programmer would complain and moan about string manipulation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► Anything I'll take a pic in a language P.H.P. Ruby said awk anything has better more time and more convenience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7311">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► String manipulation than javascript every time I got to do like you know string dot match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► and then wrap the whole thing in parentheses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► and sub script off the first one because it was the original strain going for some insane read like I just it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► that it's not huffman code to use Perl parlance the most common things are not short and simple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► The most common things are just as stupid as the complicated things you are so bitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► and cheated in the old money with no notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► and now it is a fun way to have a trial that goes thing that's speaking of a nice note to look at what Ghost it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► what he called that would change his blog to it I heard about it from him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► It's a way to run a blog and they have a hosted version that they charge an arm and a leg for but it's open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► and you can just download and run on your system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► and it's just a node based blog engine it's like well that's exactly what I'm writing right now because you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► Marco didn't I didn't want to be left out dammit I did not make a blog an engineer made a way to produce the H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► Files that I are sent up to anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► But yeah I like and I said mine is not it's not a system at all but a ghost is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► and if you're making one yourself download ghost and just look at the source because it's eminently understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► and it's a neat little app like I don't like it particularly I wouldn't use it as a blogging engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► but seeing it's kind of the first like example because Open Source of like here you go here's the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► Run it yourself if you want and it's small enough you can understand it here but then that defeats the whole purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► But then I could just use Tumblr now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► No just look at it to get like ideas of how this structure things is like I thought it was a protest vote was ample of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► how do you write a modern inode based web application without including umpteen billion for a mark so they do install a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:44 ◼ ► lot of other modules but it was pretty straightforward when you have to consider that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7424">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► I'm way too self obsessed to do anything smart like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► Plus I'm way too bad it note and I'm sure if I looked at this which I will and I would look at this code and be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7434">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► I don't know what the hell's going on now. You will find it completely understandable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► Like everything is extremely straightforward and I think fair enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► Well my blogging engine which is barely an engine that basically just regurgitates markdown and as a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► and builds an R.S.S. Feed and does a couple other very small things. It is sitting at three hundred nine lines of code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► Him By that I mean there's three hundred nine lines in this file some of which are comments a lot of which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:24 ◼ ► whitespace etc So there's nothing much to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7464">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► I'm really enjoying it for basic stuff I would want to do it for you I would want to use note for anything serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► or complex but the basic stuff is pretty nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► No if it were rails you could build the entire blogging system in one line of code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:42 ◼ ► nor Ruby ever I've done I've dabbled with Python I've done like Basic Basic Basic Python and basic basic basic P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7482">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► Which is to say I've never done object oriented neither. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRTJAJI/7489">TS</a>]