66: Boiling A Pretty Big Lake

0:00:00Remember when Twitter was good.

0:00:03Well Twitter itself the service is still mostly OK

0:00:09but got decisions to make Carol you know I've noticed lately by the way.

0:00:13Maybe I'm just waking up to five years ago

0:00:16but I've done a couple of searches recently for hotels like for to be able to see and things like that

0:00:23and I was looking at Facebook recently and they were putting in ads for the destinations I was searching for

0:00:32when I was not even anywhere near Facebook at the time which is an extremely creepy.

0:00:39Well that's that's the new Internet that's that's the modern privacy economy.

0:00:44So now I'm extreme so the net effect from that is that if I do look at Facebook I look at it

0:00:50and I log the hell out because I feel like that makes a difference even though it probably doesn't it doesn't.

0:00:55Yeah I mean you know it's this is just like the boil the frog analogy it's like you know at some point we we all say oh

0:01:02we can't do this this is too creepy and then you know six months later that's fine

0:01:07and then move on to the next creepy thing and Facebook and Google

0:01:10and all these companies that make money based on how creepy they're going to be will always get more

0:01:15and more creepy over time because that's how they will keep making money

0:01:18and keep staying ahead of each other in the competition

0:01:21and keep their numbers growing every quarter it's a whole business built on how creepy Are you willing to be

0:01:27and if you take small steps. It's pretty easy to justify pretty much anything anyway new under some follow up.

0:01:34Actually let me since I've brought it up let me interrupt you by saying we should we have recorded this on Monday the

0:01:41nineteenth of May and we did that because our schedules over the next couple weeks are a little wild.

0:01:46But regardless of when we release this if anything.

0:01:50Q wild something like that regardless of

0:01:53when we release this it's something we say sounds really really stupid because of some news that has just recently come

0:01:59out. It's because we recorded this on Monday rather than our normal day.

0:02:03And clearly that's why we sounded stupid and it couldn't possibly be because I actually said something stupid right

0:02:11and that would be the only reason why we ever say anything stupid it's only because we record the show a couple days

0:02:16before we post it usually that's the only reason we ever get anything wrong. I'm not going to bring up finals.

0:02:20So tell me about the chatter.

0:02:25So I had so last week I kind of defended Apple's supposed acquisition of peace which we still don't know anything about

0:02:31and we still have no confirmation about.

0:02:33But I defended it basically saying that beats is actually a really strong headphone brand

0:02:39and that their headphones while while they're not what audio files want in a headphone they are very appealing to a lot

0:02:47of people.

0:02:48And well anyway so today I actually spent the most time that I've ever spent with beat headphones because I had to go

0:02:54back to the Apple store. You know what's going on this is anything worth sharing.

0:02:58No the the i Phone five sleep wake replacement program I want to get my replaced because I want to have a very long

0:03:05life for development.

0:03:06That's OK so anyway so I went to pick it up today

0:03:10and you know everything you do in an Apple store these days this is probably good profit

0:03:15but everything you do in an Apple store these days takes like forty five minutes because there are certain things that

0:03:20you can't really make appointments for like picking up your phone from repair there are other things that you can make

0:03:25appointments for if you're willing to make an appointment seventeen days ahead of time and you get there

0:03:29and doesn't matter you made the appointment because they are already backed up

0:03:32and it still takes forty minutes before anybody will see you like a doctor.

0:03:36Yeah

0:03:36and they do this weird thing where you go to the person first you go to the person at the front door who seems to be

0:03:43doing nothing and they tell you to go back to you know I've been in the back or whatever

0:03:47and go register if I've been back there with a lot of people.

0:03:50So you go in the store and you think you get in somewhere

0:03:52and there's a big line of people behind some guy with an i Pad and eventually you get to him

0:03:57and you tell me all right here stand here. As table and wait and will have you know Jerry come out and talk to you.

0:04:06So then then you stare and then you're like All right well you know five ten minutes in like kind.

0:04:11Can I move from this table like what will happen if I go look at the laptops over at that other table

0:04:16or go start playing with the headphones at the table over there

0:04:20and he's going to have to sit there standing around like waiting in planes.

0:04:24Maybe I'll just go over there and listen for my name

0:04:26and look for someone walking over there it's it's a really weird experience that I don't like the feeling that Apple

0:04:33retail stores are not only having trouble keeping up with the customer volume that they get

0:04:40but not doing a very good job with the solution they've come up with so far with you know creating good experience of

0:04:46the people I no longer enjoy going to the Apple store it's getting closer and closer to going to the D.M.V.

0:04:53In you know experience quality and things I would try to avoid.

0:04:57But it's really because you're an East Coast or in Word to I don't know organized and we like order too much.

0:05:06Lines we like the lines exactly I don't know. Apple Stores are to me like the epitome of California.

0:05:14Hey man it's cold just leave it here for a while we will be awesome.

0:05:20I've never enjoyed going down to star aside I want to get in I want to get out

0:05:24and it just if they make it impossible it's like at the game you just have to try to get served. Good luck yet.

0:05:30Seriously though I will say that the the Apple Store app that lets you still buy things that is really nice

0:05:38but everything else about the experience is pretty pretty crummy these days you know.

0:05:44Anyway so I I had some time for my pick up that's supposed to only take five minutes.

0:05:49I had probably a good twenty minutes in there

0:05:52and I went back to the headphone tables I mentioned last week I figured well you know it was only it was only two

0:05:58tables away from my designated. But we're supposed to stand but it was nothing. So I figured you know.

0:06:02Oh well I'll I'll see what goes on

0:06:06and it turns out they did find me it wasn't a big deal so nice top tip for all you life hacks out there so I got a

0:06:13chance to try all of the headphones they had I made it a point to try every single one

0:06:18and it was probably a total of I don't know maybe twenty sets some like that.

0:06:22And the good thing is this time there was a song on on most of the i Pod They were the Foo Fighters walk which is a

0:06:34great song from a great album from a great band

0:06:38and the good thing about this song is that I actually knew it normally I go to the i Pod in the stores

0:06:43and I don't know any of the songs on them

0:06:45and they're all like you know crappy modern pop songs which makes it very hard for me to judge sound quality

0:06:50and I'm always afraid to plug my i Phone

0:06:52and the headphone cable had some kind of security attachment on it as well so I never I'm never willing to plug my own

0:06:59phone

0:06:59and use my own music so anyway so I was able to compare the song that I know very well I know how it supposed to sound

0:07:06on good headphones and and it's a pretty rockin song it has a lot of bass a lot of a lot of everything really.

0:07:12It's a very you know all over the spectrum kind of song.

0:07:15So it should give me a pretty good idea of of how things sound and I tried every headphone they had that worked.

0:07:23Which is another problem about about a quarter of them just didn't work.

0:07:26A lot of them like they weren't they were plugged in maybe or they had noise cancelling the batteries were dead

0:07:32or whatever the case doesn't matter.

0:07:33Most of them I was able to try and the beats had such an incredibly distinct sound

0:07:41and by that I mean it was all bass like all days.

0:07:44It was shocking like in a true fighter song in order to turn I had to turn it down far enough that it wasn't blowing up

0:07:53my ears of bass but at the Vaal at like the highest bass volume I could tolerate for a sustained period.

0:08:00You could barely hear the words that were being said like the base was so strong

0:08:05and the midrange is like tucked down under everything you could barely hear it and it was really strange

0:08:10and so I looked in a few other you know I tried a few other sets

0:08:14and verify that you know they didn't just have a crappy version of the song it wasn't some weird E.Q.

0:08:18Setting on the i Pod settings area or whatever it was just that the Beats headphones really sounded bizarre

0:08:24and I don't know why you know I I said last week that people do like it

0:08:31and that's true I mean I guess this is a lot of the same opinion I have when I drink Starbucks coffee but

0:08:38but man it was rough it was and I tried every other set they had to

0:08:44and most of them you know they tried all the Bose ones that Bose has a new line called like accurate center something

0:08:50which is comical because it doesn't sound accurate at all.

0:08:53And there you know it all sorts of all sorts of like other you know luxury brands there's a Bang and Olufsen this B.M.W.

0:09:00and Not B.M.W. B.M.W. and All these other things and and please B.M.W.

0:09:06Never make headphones and he would probably be terrible on it that would cause a conflict in my mind.

0:09:11So generally when I got the opinion you know if you ever go into a Bang

0:09:18and Olufsen mall store they will it's you get the feeling it's it's like a Bose store.

0:09:24Times ten where like they have all these things around that like you know this crazy expensive speaker dhat crazy

0:09:31expensive headphones crazy expensive speaker tower fan thing

0:09:34and all these like weird bizarre boutique electronics that are ridiculously expensive and you know kind of cool

0:09:42and gimmicky Maybe but probably not worth those prices.

0:09:46That's how the Apple store is getting with all that audio stuff

0:09:50and system which has always been this way you know the Apple Store has never been a place where you could go buy audio

0:09:54file great headphones or anything but that that is. That's how their entire headphone department is.

0:10:03It's these like two to four hundred dollar boutique fancy fashion he marketing heavy brands that are not very good.

0:10:14By most measures but is cost a lot of money and are fancy and I wonder.

0:10:21I hope I hope this is wrong but I am a little scared this might be a future direction that Apple takes or

0:10:31or makes a mistake a bigger push into with their retail efforts like becoming this like fancy upscale boutique thing

0:10:38and other things like you know Apple has always had a reputation for being expensive

0:10:45and overpriced compared to other computers

0:10:49and we all know because you know we're not we all know because we're informed in these matters that Apple computers

0:10:55really aren't that much more expensive than comparably priced other computers certainly have the kind of low end that

0:11:01everyone else will market.

0:11:03You know Apple Apple would just pretty much has the mid mid range

0:11:06and high end of computers federally just the high end these days. And so Apple Computers are not overpriced.

0:11:13They are expensive but they are. It's a good value.

0:11:15You get your money's worth for them all the headphones they have in their store are not that way they don't have that

0:11:23same like. OK well they're pricey but it's worth it.

0:11:27They're pricey and it's not worth it

0:11:28and it is just overpriced you know kind of almost sham marketing she prints of it all the stuff that other fans accuse

0:11:37us of for being like you know Apple sheep or fanboys or whatever. That's all.

0:11:42Like people who like the kind of headphone brand that Apple sells. Those accusations are a lot more accurate for that.

0:11:49And for the headphone business that Apple's doing now.

0:11:52And so I hope that Apple is not going to go further in that direction because it scares me because I think that would

0:11:57actually damage their overall brand.

0:12:00Because people with heart associated Apple with even more so with like overpriced stuff that's not actually worth its

0:12:08price and for the rest of their product that's not the case.

0:12:11But people like those headphones though like people see the value

0:12:15and be ten phones because they're cool right whereas

0:12:18when you show them your macula you like well I like it because of you know such as operating system

0:12:23and build quality and whatever and the like.

0:12:27But you showed me the beat headphones they don't care about the sound quality like because they're cool.

0:12:31But it's like those hundred dollar pair of jeans

0:12:33or stores it's a hundred dollar jeans trying to convince someone about a hundred dollar pair of jeans that your twenty

0:12:37five dollar pair of Levi's is just as good if you won't it's a different type of mine seven experience I think the

0:12:43advantage that beats has is that you don't you don't have to convince a regular person that the Beats headphones are

0:12:51worth that you do have to try to convince the regular person that your mac is worth more than three hundred dollars

0:12:57dollar top because they don't see that I mean we see we see the differences

0:13:00but they don't I don't know if that's necessarily true though I think that most people that don't have Macs would

0:13:10probably buy one and spend the hundreds and hundreds of dollars that they think extra you know that if a comparable P.C.

0:13:20Is five hundred dollars the equivalent mac in their minds as a thousand.

0:13:23I think a lot of people would spend that extra five hundred dollars and so to speak.

0:13:28But the thing is it's a thousand dollars they're spending to get this mac unlike spending just a couple hundred dollars

0:13:36on a pair of headphones a couple hundred dollars is a lot of money Don't get me wrong

0:13:39but it's a much more approachable luxury price point in the same way that there are probably many people that would if

0:13:47they could buy either German luxury car or perhaps an Italian sports car.

0:13:53But as you keep going up this up this ladder the jump from agreeable to really nice.

0:14:00It is tremendous and more and less and less and less affordable.

0:14:04Think about Air Jordans when we were kids and like yeah eighty's

0:14:07and ninety's they were a hundred bucks in the eighty's that's easily the amount of the ten pounds that were Air Jordans

0:14:11better then a half bath water the cost half as much.

0:14:16Probably not without the Reebok pump like I wanted some of those so yeah you know you want them because they're cool.

0:14:22They got the charge a ridiculous premium form and they were similarly priced to be Ted on today just in for inflation.

0:14:28Depending on what you know particular model you are getting.

0:14:33I have incredibly sad real time follow up this is the saddest thing I have ever seen.

0:14:37It's been though you had phones you know. Yeah there actually is a pair of beads B.M.W.

0:14:44Headphones officially made by beads licensed by B.M.W.

0:14:48Wow I can't even imagine the level of do Shittu required to wear those in public. Wow Wow. But if it's just the B.M.W.

0:15:00Logo that adds that beats by themselves or just beats once you have the B.M.W. Logo two it's like that's too much.

0:15:05Yeah that's that's rough. That Wow.

0:15:08Well they have those Porsche Porsche Design did like a hard drive enclosure for Alessi at some point.

0:15:15Oh please Porsche in Ferrari are the worst

0:15:18when it comes to licensing their their logo for use on everything under the sun

0:15:23but it wasn't a logos like they designed I think I think it had a Porsche logo on it was like a car type thing the

0:15:27Porsche Design Studio They did a laptop like that to them in the bed.

0:15:32Anyway those be ten phones just logo branding all the Davis stamp a B.M.W. Thing on there and probably triple.

0:15:39Well it's on sale right now for only one hundred fifty dollars. You couldn't pay me to wear those.

0:15:45Before I get Miserables well anything else

0:15:47and now I think I think that's just at the Apple Store is a terrible place to buy headphones I will say by far the most

0:15:55comfortable pair of headphones there it was night in day difference. Most company. Had phones by far was the B N O X X.

0:16:04Those like tan ones that the White Cups in the tan whether you're cups extremely lightweight very very comfortable that

0:16:11they were in a class of their own for comfort.

0:16:13Unfortunately there are like three or four hundred dollars and they didn't sound that good but they those were great

0:16:19and all the other ones like people have as you know do you try like you know the P five P.

0:16:25Seven yes I did all the new Bose the quite comforted in the new you know accurate whatever which is whole other areas

0:16:31name all those things.

0:16:33Everything I tried sounded weird and disappointing to me in some way

0:16:37or another a lot of people have asked me what they should buy instead of these things.

0:16:43I don't have a I don't have one solid answer for that because it depends on what you're doing.

0:16:49I saw right out of my sight some time but

0:16:52and then the challenges that a lot of times a luxury these luxury overpraise marketing brands will be better than the

0:16:59better sounding ones in some of those factors like comfort or convenience noise isolation or

0:17:06or at the clicker on the head like the i Phone click there were some of the big ones won't.

0:17:10So it's tough like I can just give like one song recommendation I would say in general there's like five

0:17:18or six solid models I disagree with the wire cutter on a number of them but but for the most part like five

0:17:23or six good solid models like like you know the a K.G. Makes a bunch of good ones. Sony makes some good ones.

0:17:29They are dynamic or biodynamic However you say it.

0:17:31I love their stuff the D T seven seventy's would be a really good pick I think which he's wearing right now.

0:17:37There's there's a number of really good ones that are that are not that expensive and are very good

0:17:43but you know it depends on you know do you need to be portable it's reportable if you're going to be walking around do

0:17:48you want to be folded up and pocketable.

0:17:50I haven't found anything better than the Sennheiser P X two hundred two I which is unfortunate because it's mediocre in

0:17:57all the Regards except portability.

0:18:00But it destroys everything else and portability like everything that's not in here but it's a way it's way better.

0:18:05But anyway if you can wear in ear monitors

0:18:09or your buds without a lot of discomfort like what I have by all means do that because they are way more practical you

0:18:15can fold up put it in your pocket everything I just can't wear those.

0:18:18So you know I'm stuck with for those phones but oh well.

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0:21:35All right so we have a little bit more follow up about net neutrality.

0:21:40Yeah this is just an article today that reminded me of our past discussions of net neutrality by these guys is All

0:21:46times are of them.

0:21:47Ben Thompson SR to carry guy or Esther tech or if you've given up on Saturday but I still extra to carry it.

0:21:55It's about neutrality and touches on some.

0:22:00Other things we mentioned in the last show about how there are tech companies that are lobbying Washington for their

0:22:08interests and then debate and then there are the I S P's

0:22:11and all the other companies lobbying on the other side of this

0:22:13and they're spending way more money than the tech companies

0:22:15and it's article basically says that we shouldn't all be as cynical as we are about making changes.

0:22:24Don't assume oh we're never going to win over never because if we do that it's a self filling prophecy

0:22:29and I don't want to ruin the whole arc of this article kind of short

0:22:33but you should if you read it he describes his personal experiences

0:22:36and he said how he says despite his personal experience this is important for all of us in the tech community not to

0:22:42give up on this not to be like well you know nothing's ever going to change so why bother.

0:22:47And particularly how it's a phenomenon of us doing that.

0:22:50Well another is going to change why bother and then waiting for some terrible bill to come up over

0:22:55and some terrible thing to be proposed then everyone gets angry all the sudden on the Internet

0:22:59and like fills out this little petition forms

0:23:02and I do this as well like you know this tries to rally people on Twitter and use hashtags and do whatever you can

0:23:08and write your congressperson and call them to try to stop whatever is like as a last minute write

0:23:13and comparison is like that's what we're doing

0:23:16and the other people have been lobbying Washington steadily for ten years

0:23:20and so our strategy of waiting to the last minute and get all angry it becomes less

0:23:25and less effective as everyone gets bored of our anger.

0:23:28You know so I I mean I'm I'm actually even a little bit more cynical than this article in that I think that even if we

0:23:37all have the right attitude the bottom line is if we don't have the same number zero as before the decimal point

0:23:44and the amount of money that was very important and it doesn't really matter.

0:23:48So maybe that's the theory of the next little cynicism that he has to take me out of

0:23:52but I thought it was a good article I think everyone should read it. I will put in the shots.

0:23:56All right so something we didn't get a chance to.

0:24:00Talk about last week and perhaps even a week or two before that is that Nintendo is not having a good time. Yeah.

0:24:08This keeps floating around the notes I don't know if there's that much to add I mean I think the reason I went there is

0:24:12because they announced some financial results which were bad

0:24:15and they made some projections about how many we you can sort of think you're going to sell this year

0:24:19and it's not a lot.

0:24:21And that's causing everyone to think about and again

0:24:24and I don't think anything has changed other than knowing now that the things that Nintendo has tried to do

0:24:34and seems to be trying to do aren't working early start working yet I wrote something about this on have a kind of a

0:24:41like oh a while back about intended in crisis.

0:24:43I went back and we read that and I think it basically that's still my opinion it doesn't.

0:24:48The thing is change the content has the ability to get themselves out of the funk that they're in because the whole

0:24:55thing was based on a premise that if if there's no longer a market for devices that mostly play games then tend to a

0:25:01screwed but if there is a market for devices the mostly play games then they have a chance.

0:25:06And so there definitely is a market for the things that just play games because the Playstation for a song like crazy

0:25:12and I want to.

0:25:12So I'm pretty well as well though they're kind of changing their strategy to try to keep up with the Playstation four

0:25:18and even the three D.S.

0:25:20Isn't doing that terribly but that we use doing terribly

0:25:22but anyway the point is that it's not as if no one is buying things that mostly play games people are still buying them.

0:25:27It's still a big market.

0:25:29Intent has the ability to get themselves out of their current crisis

0:25:33but it's not doing it so that you know you're necessary

0:25:37but not sufficient again as a precondition for them getting out.

0:25:42And so the question is what do they do at this point that they just keep trying to release games so that we hope that

0:25:47some game catches on if you buy them like they're kind of in the classic death spiral where they don't sell a lot of

0:25:53consuls which means that third party developers aren't going to bother making a game games for it because that.

0:26:00If you sold two hundred percent of we you owners which are never going to do there would still be a small number.

0:26:05And because there's no third party games people have less and less reason to buy or where you are

0:26:09and just goes down down down. So I don't know what they can or should do Mary card it's coming out soon.

0:26:14America is getting great reviews Everett says is a great game. Is that going to sell more.

0:26:19You consul's Probably not I mean the same choice they have before either to make games that make people buy where you

0:26:26cancelled and if you if third parties want do what you gotta do yourself

0:26:29or figure out what your next thing is I think and then to know has enough money and stamina

0:26:33and corporate will to weather the storm of the terrible E.U.

0:26:37Sales and figure what they're going to do next

0:26:38and hopefully hopefully by the time they make their next move within the next console

0:26:42or a vision of that we were never we haven't passed through the period of time during which game mostly our game only

0:26:48hardware is something that people want to buy.

0:26:51So if you were Nintendo What would you do if I go back in time to a time machine and if you took over today

0:27:00and you had enough political power to to push through any change or initiative you wanted to. What would you do.

0:27:07I will start working on my next console which will be comparable in power to the competitive councils

0:27:12and I would do basically what Sony did this generation which is look at what you did in the past generation

0:27:16and whatever

0:27:17and hated you for what developers are pissed off at you about what their partners first offered you about get all those

0:27:21people in the room have them all tell you what what you did wrong and how how your actions have hurt them

0:27:26and then sort of like an intervention and then take that information and fix all those mistakes.

0:27:32Sony did an amazing job with the Playstation foreigners a Playstation three

0:27:35and all sorts of problems it was late it was expensive it was a weird architecture.

0:27:40Third parties didn't like it you know

0:27:42and so for the Playstation four they brought all those people together to just tell us what you think we should do

0:27:47and they listen to them.

0:27:48They actually listened instead of being like Oh we know what the best thing is

0:27:51and that's one of the reasons a place has or is doing so much better and it was relatively inexpensive.

0:27:56They didn't commit a lot of money to a motion troll accessory. Dubious value like Microsoft did.

0:28:02They made the architecture is much nicer for developers.

0:28:06They worked on their tools they were nicer to third parties

0:28:10and their reward is there the clear leader in this generation of candles so intent on needs a console that is on the

0:28:18same hardware level as whatever its competitors that's going to be that's the that's the price of entry where you can

0:28:23say OK then the very least we can convince you to give us you know the next iterations all its games like you know like

0:28:29make it make it a no brainer for people to pour to you like well we're making it a cross platform game.

0:28:34It's easy enough to port and do whatever the new X.-Box is whatever the new Playstation is

0:28:38and whatever Nintendo's counselors and for two generations now they've been out of that conversation

0:28:43and they're getting farther apart a conversation whenever you're going to make a new game a game like well we're going

0:28:47to make it from Microsoft Council Sony console

0:28:49and then maybe like a year later will think about making some terrible cutdown port to go in

0:28:53and those council last generation they didn't need third party support because of the the magic of the we mode in

0:28:59waggling your wrists and we sports and all that good stuff.

0:29:02This generation they didn't pull it off their

0:29:03and their novelty with the Game Pad was not enough to get people on board in there and sort of a death spiral.

0:29:08So the next generation that I got to make competitive hardware

0:29:11and if they can't make competitive harbor this is an option for them as well they should get out of the high road is if

0:29:15they can make competitive harm

0:29:16or decide they're not going to be in the hardware business I guess they should partner with somebody like this is not

0:29:22my first choice

0:29:23but I think about this a lot like if this is not in in ten years we'll oust ever do hardware anymore you know go over

0:29:30to Sony

0:29:30and say we really like what you've done with your hardware how would you like it if we teamed up on the next console

0:29:35and made sort of a joint Sony Nintendo console we're going to there are some influence on the hardware

0:29:40and it was you know amazing great hardware that had lots of power as an expense of an innovative and maybe had a V.A.R.

0:29:46and Said over and over and then all the Nintendo franchise will be exclusively on that console.

0:29:52Again I well I don't put that as my first choice

0:29:54but I spent a lot of time thinking about it because I look at the Play Station four

0:29:57and say how great would it be if I knew that.

0:30:00Intend it was right now working on a Zelda game for that console

0:30:02and they're not the working out of the wheel which is going to be all enjoy it as well and it will be interesting

0:30:06but it's kind of a shame that they're going to be that constrained

0:30:10when the contemporary consuls have so much more power.

0:30:14So that's what I do I would get working on the next council and make it competitive.

0:30:19So if Nintendo gets in a really bad place they continue marching down the hardware path

0:30:26and that continues to go poorly and now they're legitimately starting to to you know circle the drain.

0:30:33Does Apple buy them now I have it be like terrible I would not want Apple to buy them because Apple doesn't dabble

0:30:40thought into games

0:30:41but what if they want to be you know if you can you know it's it's part of the part of your culture

0:30:47or it's not like I said Apple doesn't get games but you know it's like the what he called the terrible King

0:30:54and I think he's just not that into you.

0:30:57Apple that's one of the notes

0:30:58and I know that Apple in Game two is Just Not That Into You like good apple just not that into games like that they

0:31:04like them on the platform the fun and everything but all the other gaming companies Microsoft Sony

0:31:09and tend to have people in positions of power who are really into games who love games who live

0:31:16and breathe games like that is the same thing with any movie studio yet is going to be a bunch of bureaucrats in suits

0:31:21and movies there is this is also going to people who love movies and movie studios.

0:31:25You'd need to have that not everybody is going to be stuffed shirts now having them

0:31:29and you need to have people send them with car companies the car guys who just love cars.

0:31:33You absolutely need to have them.

0:31:35And thus far I'm not convinced there is anyone high up in any position of power that that has that passion for games at

0:31:40Apple which is fine like Apple doesn't have to be a game company but it's not.

0:31:43But I would not want them to buy Nintendo.

0:31:46Yeah I think it's pretty clear that not only does Apple not only is Apple not caring about games I don't think they

0:31:53respect games like that like I said this before long time ago but it's all just go to the quick version basically.

0:32:00Like if you look at Apple's history of how they treat games on their platforms both but on the mac

0:32:07and I alas you're on the mac to basically said we're never going to do anything they really make games easier

0:32:12or possible to bring this platform and in a competitive way.

0:32:16IOW less games came there anyway for other reasons

0:32:19and Apple found themselves in the position of all of a sudden being in or in a really pretty powerful

0:32:26and pretty important position in the in the gaming world.

0:32:29Almost accidentally

0:32:30and the way they've treated it since then has really just been kind of patronizing like Game Center is is one of the

0:32:36best examples of this

0:32:37and just like the the mediocrity of the game center is together with the design that it had first instilled with that

0:32:46in seven or to the bubbles

0:32:48and stuff like every game that I have in the game center integration it makes it worse like

0:32:53when I play the better I'll get a notification letter press and someone's moved and then I will you know swipe

0:33:00and letterpress will be the from us app like I'm not so I the only notification I'm to swiping to reveal at a press of

0:33:05the front was up and I get to there and stare at it and like oh well.

0:33:08So there was a move but I don't see yet and my solution is always you know the home button

0:33:13and then go back into letter press

0:33:15and then may do a lot of the moves like stuff like that it's like no progress indication long waiting times

0:33:20and notification comes through but the game doesn't know about it yet.

0:33:24I mean it's great that Lauren didn't have to write all this code himself

0:33:28and it probably really helped him get out a game that was popular and so it's good for developers

0:33:32but as a player I hate it when the little games and a banner comes down and causes a hitching frame rate.

0:33:37I hate it when Game Center tells me there's a move but I launch the game it doesn't show the movie me

0:33:41and I have no progress indication

0:33:42and there's so many games with integration like this that I can say well just because a developer didn't integrate with

0:33:47games that are properly it just makes games worse.

0:33:51Yeah it's always been it's been like this I get the feeling that Steve Jobs might have been like a Steve thing where

0:33:59the.

0:34:00Would use like cheesiness and kitsch to kind of patronize

0:34:06and then like to pay lip service to things they didn't really care about that that that they were being forced to

0:34:14address in some way you know

0:34:15or you know for some reason like they would try to appropriate you know the success of gaming to do their job.

0:34:22What's this fun little game center really like. Everything kind it's hell like.

0:34:27And not only was their heart not in but they don't really like it.

0:34:30And it just it I don't know if it resulted in this attitude that that was very clearly like obviously Steve doesn't

0:34:42give a crap about games and that shows in the product right

0:34:45and it seems in all the changes in Apple you know in the last few years.

0:34:50I don't I haven't seen anything during games change for the better.

0:34:54I think they're trying it's just that like they don't know the right things that it would be as if the music

0:35:00application or whatever the thing that you play music on your on your i O. S.

0:35:03Device as if it had a theme like a music room and there was like a little bit tons for conducting

0:35:09and there were as you know those little musical staff and a little guy with a tuxedo as the conductor. And then like.

0:35:18And they understand they understand it so much more like it's it's not just the theme it's the idea that there needs to

0:35:24be this kind of window dressing like the games are a diversion and like you know almost every happening

0:35:30or here is the photo op is more serious like that.

0:35:32Enter Sam like photos are important things we were not going to sort of put like a weird photo theme on there

0:35:38and I was on this help of that a lot like the old ones were a little bit more skeuomorphic and everything

0:35:42but it's just the whole idea that gaming as a realm needs to have some different treatment because games are this other

0:35:50thing and no one is really seriously Indian whereas music is like oh you're really into music

0:35:54and you would never want to screw up.

0:35:55We want to show the album our day we want to have a nice efficient application because music is.

0:36:00When you write to be powerful and have you know increase the capability to get your music anywhere enjoy

0:36:05and show people enjoying it and games it's like I mean there are there are casual gaming companies that

0:36:13when they show people playing games they're like you know shaking their i Pod Touch around

0:36:16and some kid is playing some little game well look at that car room room

0:36:19but Game Center itself doesn't doesn't acknowledge how serious and one important part of people why that's not right.

0:36:26I think i Books kind of an acknowledge how important books are in people's lives because they're kind of like a little

0:36:31bit of that with the old version of I look any way a little bit of the you have to feel like you're in an old musty

0:36:36library or the wise books on count one

0:36:39and you know it's Game Center it's very much about compartmentalization it's like let's let's take this world of games

0:36:44that's happening all around us accidentally and we're going to we're going to clean all this mess up

0:36:50and just kind of show in this drawer over here that all you game think you can stay in here we don't really want you to

0:36:55you know seep out. Same thing with NEWSSTAND.

0:36:57NEWSSTAND is exactly in the same position if not even worse because you know it's you know Apple's like OK well we have

0:37:06this you know we will benefit of magazine and newspaper people but make their apps here instead of making websites

0:37:12and you know will benefit from that and

0:37:14and you know we want to we want to like you know look good for our platforms we're going to make this little news stand

0:37:19there is exactly the same thing like this like this like cheesy kitschy like condescending skeuomorphic ism that

0:37:26started out you know in previous versions

0:37:28and then in seven it really didn't get a lot better it just it actually in many ways NEWSSTAND is significantly worse

0:37:35and I and just you know that there's no more wouldn't shelves but it's now it's like even more invisible

0:37:44and you know what.

0:37:47And it's like Apple just like takes the things that they don't want to really see that they don't want to to be

0:37:55prominent and creates areas for them to be segregated and tucked away and hidden.

0:38:00Because they don't you know to them it's like this is the slick sloppy dirty juvenile or you know evil world of games

0:38:07or magazines respectively. Yeah and I was not.

0:38:12It is a platform for certain kinds of games but it's not for the kinds of games the Nintendo does well

0:38:17and those are the type of games I like to play like you know console games

0:38:20and how games are games that are really deep really rich that after sickle controls that you know

0:38:25and the arguments me may be a separate thing entirely because that's the industry is to experimenting with the are now.

0:38:31And Sony's got their own headset coming out

0:38:34and intend could possibly do something interesting in that direction we don't know how well that's going to work out.

0:38:41Is Apple going to have headset support for as I was.

0:38:44Maybe they will maybe that'll be the way you know games are going to do that

0:38:47but for now all eyes games are things where you tell your device you touch your screen

0:38:51and that is a fairly narrow range of things

0:38:54and the games that have traditionally been attendance on the market all platforms are still really popular Just look at

0:39:01the sales numbers or the Playstation four X.

0:39:03Box One people still want to play them

0:39:04and you can't play them on i OS devices so it's like why should Apple be interested in getting that serious about games

0:39:12when it doesn't have a hardware platform you can play them on.

0:39:15I mean someday if they wake up in the side turn Apple T.V.

0:39:17Into the M Council maybe they will have something going on there but that hasn't happened so far.

0:39:21Well even like last year they added the the game controller framework Tyla seven which lets other.

0:39:28It's like they they could have just like gone the extra step made their own official controller attachment for their i

0:39:35Phones or and i Pod touch is like why didn't they do that

0:39:38and the answer I think is because they just don't care that much or they weren't that confident the idea

0:39:43or you know whatever the case may be they didn't want to bother with that they didn't want to like tarnish their

0:39:47product line with his Cheel game controller attachment they want. OK we'll we will make an A.P.I.

0:39:54That will of course you know if you want to make your own you can and of course you have to pay us to make your own.

0:40:00But that's another thing entirely and of course the reality which anybody could told them.

0:40:07Anybody who has ever played video games ever in their life could have told them if the first party vendor doesn't have

0:40:15like an official hardware add on nobody will buy it.

0:40:19Even official hardware add ons like the connector like Usually those fail like that like you know there was like the

0:40:26like was touted as the third to excell Sega CD The Jaguar CD attachment the turbo graphics CD attachment all these like

0:40:34all these hardware add on things in the old console world that almost all failed. Well not all of them.

0:40:40The little most memos the memory pack for the nine hundred sixty four effort without all that came with Perfect Dark.

0:40:46Yeah but they bundled over the game

0:40:49and the same thing with a rumble back then bonnet bun bun over Starfox the like I mean even the connect the connector

0:40:54you know the original connect that had a pretty pretty good sell through for peripherals like people made gains the

0:41:01support of the Connect which is fairly unprecedented like you know that was remarkable and very unusual

0:41:07and what it was you know third like dance games

0:41:09and stuff that you couldn't do without the connect they weren't bundled with the connect you have to buy to connect

0:41:13them by that a lot of people were like I think Apple would be overjoyed if I can crawl out of there.

0:41:19But anyway it would be Have you ever seen anyone using one of those controllers that had shown I was I was I've still

0:41:24never seen one in the wild and so that makes me think that they're not selling a lot of those devices

0:41:30and the long games that like require them

0:41:32or take advantage of them like none of those are really like I don't even know if it's financially feasible to make a

0:41:38high quality game and say oh by the way to play this game you need to have a controller accessory

0:41:43and then the other problem is the economics of the App Store are such that I mean there's lots of that could be a whole

0:41:50a whole show of discussing the problems of economics in the App Store for developers

0:41:54but in this particular area one of the problems is if you make a game that requires a gamepad.

0:42:00You've cut down your market size so substantially that you know I suppose one percent of of i Phone sold in the past

0:42:08year. You know one percent of those have also bought the pads. That's probably extremely optimistic.

0:42:13But the numbers nowhere near that.

0:42:14But let's say it was one percent well that means you're also cutting your audience down you know by ninety nine percent

0:42:20by making it requires it in a market where the only way to make any money at all is through massive volume.

0:42:27That's that's a terrible it's a terrible situation it's never going to catch on.

0:42:31It reminds me of the other story that I learned to really know if you have heard about that Microsoft has unbundle at

0:42:36making a version of the X. Box One that you can buy without the connector.

0:42:41Yeah I've heard that and that's kind of a shame

0:42:45but it's kind of a man in the face of Sony's sales I guess they thought they had to do something I believe they're

0:42:51still keeping the skews that have a bundle but they want to make a cheaper one without it.

0:42:55Bottom line is not a lot of games are coming out that require the connect that are compelling enough for someone to

0:43:04want to pay an extra hundred dollars for the council.

0:43:06They're like all right well here's a version of us shave some money off the price.

0:43:10You don't have to buy the connect with it

0:43:12and it's kind of a shame because I think that the Connect was an interesting idea I think the second version of it is

0:43:18way better than the first

0:43:19and you could do interesting things with it it's just that because they are selling so much fewer consuls than Sony is

0:43:30they feel like they have to make this move

0:43:32and it's really like I don't I don't know how I feel about it because in many respects like if they had just launched

0:43:39in every country instead of launching in Sony's away more countries now I think think Microsoft like thirteen

0:43:44and something like fifty or something like that.

0:43:46If they roll out to be an equal geographically maybe the race would have been closer in terms of sales numbers

0:43:53and they could have stayed the course but instead because they're behind they they want to have a way to catch up.

0:43:58But once you open that door once you say that. Possible is any X. Box one out there without the connect.

0:44:03Forget about in this generation having some game that some of going to tons

0:44:06and tons of money behind that's going to be like a tractor that pulls you know that shows everyone how amazing the

0:44:11connectors because like Marco said Now all of a sudden you have to look at the ratio used to be.

0:44:16I could sell it to one hundred percent of the X.

0:44:17Box One market if I may to connect him

0:44:19and I was like most ninety nine percent ninety eight percent ninety seven like depending on how that's Q.

0:44:23Sells without the connect the numbers probably is going to go down and down and so

0:44:27and also in the console world it's very important to be cross-platform.

0:44:30You know these games having such massive budgets to be competitive. If you can't be on Playstation and X.

0:44:37Box It's going to hurt pretty big time. That's going to hurt a lot.

0:44:41Well they can I damn sure are trying to be the exclusives like you know yeah of course you can pour the same please no

0:44:46one else has the amazing connection same thing with Sony was V.R.

0:44:49If Microsoft doesn't have a V R headset and Sony does Sony gotta get people to make our games

0:44:54or ports the airports of games and those are not going to be able to be on the Microsoft counts on the Sony.

0:44:59Again if you sell the most hardware you're in the power positions like who cares if you can put your game on my cars

0:45:05are going to turn those consuls we had sold X. Number of million councils you're doing fine.

0:45:11Nintendo can't even get those people answer their calls

0:45:14and Microsoft tries to make that same argument for the connectivity like we look at how well connected himself

0:45:20and to the previous generation and the current plan

0:45:22and it's not just about addressable market it's about the fact that no one has found a way to make a game that will

0:45:27sell millions of copies for you know they can act like I hope Microsoft keeps trying.

0:45:32I hope what they've done can combine with the our stuff can combine with the Game Pad stuff.

0:45:37The Nintendo's done like they're the makings of a great next generation gaming experiences down the line with old

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0:48:59going to happen during W.D.C.

0:49:01You know there's going to be there's going to be Odwalla Marco's going to complain about the fact that Odwalla has

0:49:08bananas and almost all of them. Now do you think they're going to bring back my flavor.

0:49:12All I care about is that there's mango tango. If there's maggots and go on happy that's all I care about.

0:49:18We had a very interesting email a little over ten days ago

0:49:23and it was an anonymous email that that one via the feedback form and the message is I was a wishlist.

0:49:32Yes And then there's a series of items maybe and a series of items this person did not specify who they are.

0:49:41Didn't specify if they're knowledgeable about anything.

0:49:45Didn't specify any really anything at all other than to say that they need to be anonymous for now.

0:49:52It said anon for now. So it basically has no credibility. However I think it's an interesting list. Agreed and so what.

0:50:00Thought I do is kind of start calling out the items on this list

0:50:04and we'll talk about the ones that we think are worth not worth talking about

0:50:09and then we'll just blow by the ones that we don't think are very interesting.

0:50:15So with that in mind in the yes column health book monitor heart rate

0:50:21and the ode to level I'm not sure why it's VO to I'm assuming it's auction level isn't a virtue unless unless it was a

0:50:28fat fingered C O two level anyway. Hydration levels sleep in steps.

0:50:34What do you think I mean I think there's been enough smoke around the health book thing that it's probably correct.

0:50:41I agree you know the details of which things are included I mean steps

0:50:45and sleep can both be tracked by motion that's easy you know hydration hydration to a heart rate that would require

0:50:52some kind of extra sensor that we don't know about yet.

0:50:54So that's that's probably a question mark

0:50:56or maybe not we know about it it's going to be the ear buds that I know I know I'm kidding as opposed to this e-mail

0:51:04which is in fact a lease or if there's a random person to type things into a feedback for.

0:51:08Yeah exactly that for the record I was kidding

0:51:11and you know it's funny because I would say the health book thing is plausible.

0:51:15The details of it we don't really know for sure but it's certainly plausible to talk about that

0:51:19and to think how one of their strategies to get them out of the funk was going to be health related apps which seems to

0:51:24be everyone seems to be doing this these days the fact that we have the knowledge of the networking

0:51:30and the last piece we need is the sensors

0:51:32and Fitbit has been sort of the spearhead into this into health monitoring for individuals it seems to be reasonably

0:51:39popular and have positive results are people so Apple getting into it doesn't surprise me

0:51:43and of course of all seeing all the screenshots of the health book looking appen stuff.

0:51:49This is just an I with a wish list so we can talk about whether Apple's going to have a device like this where they're

0:51:56going to launch this kind of like the M seven without any.

0:52:00Accompanying hardware it's like Oh well our phone has this they need the eyes and so on and so forth

0:52:05and third parties will make sensors for it or they can integrate with the i Watch later or you know

0:52:11but I think it's a pretty sure bet that some health monitoring stuff is going to be in Iowa state software wise.

0:52:18I agree and I'm very curious to see what sensors if any will be provided for this

0:52:24and by the way real time follow up V O two is apparently a Robet capacity Thank you Katie Healy friend of the show of

0:52:31it's for volume right so thank thank you Katie Healy. Next transit in maps in the maps app in the Apple Maps app.

0:52:40I would suspect this would be something they would do because they got being done

0:52:46or that they continually getting done it but I think we talked about maybe it wasn't us

0:52:50but somebody talked about on the podcast I was into about how hard that is because to normalize all this disparate data

0:52:57across a gazillion cities across the planet is not an easy task

0:53:01and given that Apple does so well with normalizing all the data on their maps themselves.

0:53:06Really too confident they're going to get this right but it seems plausible.

0:53:12I think that's something that they want to do whether they are ready in time like I think they're more cautious about

0:53:16rolling out something half baked at this point but specially in maps.

0:53:19Yeah on the on the maps effort Apple seems committed and they did not have a good initial showing

0:53:26and hopefully they're learning that the only way to do this is to do a Google does.

0:53:31You're not well in the ocean but you're blowing pretty darn big lake

0:53:34and that's where they have to end up doing you've got to put bodies in the ground you've got to put resources towards

0:53:39this. It's a super big pain. You can't half ass it you got it. There's no there's no shortcut.

0:53:46So and the trans is like oh the shortcut will be just have third parties do is a third party opportunity

0:53:51and people like No we don't like that shortcut. Google has strengths. You don't you suck so. So I really hope.

0:54:00That this is true that they're working on transit.

0:54:03As for whether it's ready in time for it to see an ounce meant I'm not sure yet on device Siri that I would love to see

0:54:12that so I assume what that what this means is that the dictation would take place on the device which Android

0:54:19and Windows Phone already do and so do Macs actually

0:54:23and just not I was devices yet there's still no way to do it in Iowa.

0:54:26That's right as far as I know however isn't the download on O. S.

0:54:30Ten something like a little shy of a gig Yes like a hundred megs so given that Apple is ridiculously obsessed with

0:54:37continuing to offer eight

0:54:39and sixteen gig devices really I mean that seems like that be a lot of space to take up on some devices that really

0:54:47don't have enough space.

0:54:48Well it would probably be an optional download

0:54:50and just like that it just like it is a mac because I like how many people actually would would care enough to use that.

0:54:56Probably probably a minority

0:54:57but for those people it would be really nice to have you can need to concentrate on getting their server side

0:55:03implementation up to snuff before worrying about adding another embolization to the mix.

0:55:08Like the problem a series not that O. Does everything of the Never.

0:55:12Because for from people like that the size of data that is transfer is not that big as the server is going to be

0:55:17responsive. They have to be available they have to respond quickly you can't you know talk.

0:55:22Record something sent to the server wait

0:55:24and get a response to say oh yeah forget it we can talk to the server sorry about that try again later.

0:55:29Like that is unacceptable

0:55:30and so I don't think that experience of going to a server it would be all that terrible if it just worked reliably

0:55:36and quickly.

0:55:37So hopefully that's where they're concentrating their effort I don't use Syrian have to know whether it's getting worse

0:55:41or better or whatever but any time that fails for one of those.

0:55:45Yeah you said a bunch of stuff and we recorded it but we couldn't connect the dots.

0:55:50Yeah I know you have a net connection just didn't work out sorry.

0:55:53Any time that happens is bogus and I'm not ready for them to say well actually we have a second implication.

0:56:00All on device and you know I do worry about the network in just the way about memory usage and storage area

0:56:07and whether this on device thing works against another area where Google's had a Google has on device stuff working

0:56:12and their servers respond faster. So this list reads more like a list of areas where Apple needs to improve.

0:56:19I guess as a wishlist like every area where the need to improve.

0:56:22They should improve in all those areas but by that I don't see them going for on device Siri.

0:56:30I would rather see them address the server side stuff because I don't think it's that crazy for phones anyway.

0:56:36That aside yes it's also so I don't worry about it it's you know we'll get the data through it's not a lot of data.

0:56:41We'll just make sure our servers are all available on fast. Yeah I mean it's really it would be nice.

0:56:45I mean I would prefer they dig us both really having having on device dictation like you know have the servers still do

0:56:53the smarts of like OK we know what you said

0:56:57but then what do you mean by that like that's that's obviously an area where the server side of the structure could

0:57:01benefit a lot from from continue to be server side with those resources

0:57:06and with you know just updating the information that it has and and learning and stuff like that

0:57:11and that's that's very much like a big data problem then you begin to do it the actual dictation while dictation does

0:57:19benefit from the big data approach you can also do a pretty good job just having something local.

0:57:24As you know by using using all the Dragon stuff. Yeah.

0:57:27Any more RAM for that as I think as you point out like that's hardware wise I mean the excuse is always been well more

0:57:34RAM requires more power and it's a bad thing and blah blah blah

0:57:37but she's like forget about the storage would have already complained about sixteen thirty two sixty four eternal

0:57:43Trinity.

0:57:44You've already got around these devices you got like people it's just sun acceptable one gigabyte is not enough.

0:57:51And so having more RAM and they can deal with the battery stuff.

0:57:55I think that would open the door for on device we're talking about one device like I'll just figure out the.

0:58:00The text version of what you said and it's an attack stuck to a server which is even lower bandwidth

0:58:04and it can do the smart stuff figuring out what you mean by those words right next notification center revamp more

0:58:10cereal like Google Now and less a list of notifications. Boy I would hate this.

0:58:15So where does the list not of patients go. Yeah agreed.

0:58:19The last thing that a vacation center needs is for Apple to be more clever about it.

0:58:22They need to become less clever about it simplify it just give me a a just straight list of notifications would be

0:58:30better than what it is now without the confusing like all vs missed and then something's going to disappear forever.

0:58:36No you don't know how many times does a notification appear on your device and you do so whatever the wrong thing is

0:58:42and you say what did the notification say again like oh sorry sucker you're never to see that again.

0:58:48Try to find the notes because there are no is it in Mr No he didn't miss it you saw it

0:58:52and then it went away you know it's not they can be clever

0:58:57but try to explain to somebody like I saw a word appear on my screen but now it's gone where is it

0:59:03and it's a hard problem like I you know it's trying to be smart about it like I just think they can it can't be done

0:59:08well it's the kind of thing that it sounds cool on paper it'll make for an interesting keynote as you know as you see

0:59:13with things like Google now

0:59:15and with Cortana like you see the other platforms doing this in practice it's really hard to make that right all the

0:59:22time it's you know the classic AI problem is like it tries to be smart

0:59:26but a lot of times that that's not really what you wanted and it's very frustrating

0:59:30and it's transparently against notification overload because if you did just do the dumb linear list like a very close

0:59:35this would be crazy

0:59:36and people would start ignoring it like they're trying to strike a balance between just show you what's important

0:59:41and get rid of it when you've already seen it

0:59:43and don't ever present like this humongous list that you have to scroll through to look because sometimes you look at a

0:59:48lot of notifications and like that that's how I would do that.

0:59:51Like if you look on the mac on Anakin of Haitian center it groups by application similar I.O.'s

0:59:57but like they can just stick around forever until you can.

1:00:00It's very annoying actually and you can kind of see like OK well that's that's one approach that's kind of weird.

1:00:06I think what would actually be best if unification center to just be one combined timeline of notification so that

1:00:15whatever order you receive them whatever order you saw them in on the lock screen whatever order they came in there's a

1:00:20list that shows those same ones in that same order and maybe has a blue dot next to them right ones

1:00:25but they're still there even after they're read they're still on the list.

1:00:29I don't see I don't I can't come up with any better alternative that's better all around.

1:00:34Every every When you come up with like well it's good for this use case but it's bad for these three use cases

1:00:39and it's if you just give it one big list. I think that's probably the least crappy option.

1:00:45I think they need to have that thing you're describing accessible somehow I'm not sure I need to be the thing in

1:00:50people's faces but we're like oh you need like streams

1:00:53or like streams that was a big trend back in the whatever ninety's maybe two to conceptualize. I once met a blogger.

1:01:03Your use of a computer. It was so weird.

1:01:06By time rather than by file name or application or project or anything like that so that anything you've seen

1:01:13or done on your computer you just scroll back through time was kind of like The Time Machine U.I.

1:01:18But you know it's just cross cutting across everything like web pages you've seen e-mail that you've read things that

1:01:24messages that you've sent and you can just go throw back your time and see things that way

1:01:28and what you're talking about is a sort of Lifestream view of your interaction with notifications

1:01:34and I think that should be accessible because if you can find some things I'll just go back to

1:01:38or whatever they'd come up with some buzzwords or hell they can call I stand there on it and hears everything

1:01:42and just go back to it and you will see the events of the day as then folded.

1:01:46This is when the message came in and then you read it and then you know you replied and you did this you know like

1:01:53but I don't know if that needs to be the thing in the person's face because with the trying to do is make it so you

1:01:57don't feel overwhelmed by notifications by making them go.

1:02:00No way that's why they have the Miss thing in the all thing

1:02:02and I think that does make for a better experience in till like the like O.

1:02:08One of the things say let me just go to the life stream and look at it shouldn't they lived in with a terrible name

1:02:13but wealthy caught.

1:02:15But that's what that's how people use text messages all the time

1:02:18and it's fine like text messages are one giant chronological list totally unsorted just you know just by time

1:02:25but it's by person by person though that oh yeah OK that's fair.

1:02:28But still going to so many people who like they need to get a piece of information out of the text messages like it

1:02:34that's the only place it lives and they just they can just scroll up

1:02:37and just keep going they know roughly where it is and then they eventually find

1:02:40and that's like three divisive messages. Well yeah but the other category and they're right.

1:02:47So it's growing in the middle of only applicants so those things in the cloud and

1:02:51when you scroll that we just pull those messages down and you know their dream right.

1:02:55Look at their notification center and i Cloud clearing notifications across mac i Phone

1:03:00and i Pad I will say that for my messages I think it's a little too quick to fall back to my other devices.

1:03:12But in the last couple of months maybe even more than that if I'm in the midst of a conversation on one of my devices

1:03:19the other devices oftentimes will receive that same new text message but generally speaking nothing does any beeping

1:03:27or bombing or vibrating

1:03:28or anything like that unless the I miss let's assume I'm on my mac unless I haven't acknowledged that new text message

1:03:36on my mac for like ten

1:03:38or fifteen seconds now I think there should be a slightly longer grace period than that because sometimes I'm

1:03:43especially on my mac Anyway I'm looking at another window or whatever the case may be

1:03:47and I haven't clicked back to the messages window

1:03:50but messages has actually been working pretty well for me in this sense

1:03:56but I agree that in every other capacity it would be kind of new.

1:04:00To have one unified no unified timeline actually make your grace periods

1:04:05when we're feeling the mine with mine like if I'm talking to you via over I message

1:04:09and if if the if the messages window is not my front most window at the moment that comes in.

1:04:16It vibrates a moment of ISIS. I get zero grace period.

1:04:20This thing reads even more like a wish list item of like here's a problem I encounter using Apple's cloud services on

1:04:26multiple devices and I want to fix it

1:04:28but I don't have any I don't have anything to say other than it should do what I mean all the time

1:04:32and I conceptually we talk about the spend messages first came out and I messages first came out.

1:04:37It's actually the thing that Apple is missing is presence awareness.

1:04:41Like figuring out where you are

1:04:44and what you're doing because if they can have a concept the concept of presence defined A.P.I.

1:04:50Wise so that so that each individual app isn't like doing its own crazy juristic like there was a framework for

1:04:55presence and an awareness of where you are and what device you're near and what you're using

1:04:59or whatever then they could just make him prove that framework over time

1:05:04and applications that use that framework would do the right thing in clearing.

1:05:07Initially Apple's own I could be a private framework probably for a couple releases

1:05:10and who knows maybe they have a framework that supposed to do that

1:05:13but it seems crappy like we're all talking about situations where because your messages window is hidden

1:05:19or because it was it was in the front but you were looking in a different window.

1:05:22It didn't go off on your i was device then you may have. I have better luck getting messages in the web interface to G.

1:05:28Mail you know the little chat messages that come up.

1:05:31I have missed fewer of those than I have missed I messages from my wife likes to send them from her phone

1:05:36and I'll get the first one out of the caisson center and a quick on and a lot of messages and I conversed with her

1:05:41and then I'll go do something else and another one will come in messages and I won't notice

1:05:45and if you like what injury spawn of that one I didn't see it on my device because it wasn't there his message is open

1:05:50and want to me to say I was there

1:05:51but it didn't even like about the icon wanted something like It's not they have they don't have it yet so I think they

1:05:58have a long way to go there. Think this item for Iowa State Iowa say will fix this.

1:06:03Well not inquire not wrong unless it has a cooperation with the new version of R.S.

1:06:07Ten and all sorts of other things and this is just you know.

1:06:11Yes I would like this to make it so but it's not it's a benefit of more than a simple invasion.

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1:07:52I've been very very good about milking mine so to speak. But but it is very good and very awful wall which is.

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1:08:10really good stuff.

1:08:12Thanks for continuing this list that at this point absolutely confirms that it's a wish list

1:08:17and not a birdie telling us something they know.

1:08:20Unlimited photo stream and unlimited just like unlimited bandwidth from eight hundred eighty.

1:08:26Everything in tech that claims to be unlimited that's always true right. Totally.

1:08:31Well I think sometimes like think about it. Back place for instance.

1:08:36Yeah that's they actually manage to do it they say it's unlimited.

1:08:39Maybe it's not maybe if I had like three hundred terabytes a song come to my house and talk to him personally

1:08:44but so far like I have multiple I have multiple terabytes there I mean maybe they're relying on the fact the you can't

1:08:50upload like the I.S.P.

1:08:51Is you know how long would it take you to upload like a petabyte of data it's like you know it would take a long time

1:08:58but so far I haven't had a back with me

1:09:00but it's probably also like use like the law of averages like my mom's computer.

1:09:04I back up everything I possibly can back up from that.

1:09:06It's thirty seven gigs like it's like I'm paying the same for thirty seven gigs they're paying for want to have

1:09:13terabyte on my desktop for the stream they don't have that same van though because I think people just keep taking

1:09:19photos their whole life and

1:09:20and they you know it's not like the data there's some turnover like you know you're going to I don't know with

1:09:25turnovers and data they had maybe people delete their email after time

1:09:29or I just feel like a grows nearly like maybe people aren't putting their photos and into Photoshop or whatever anyway.

1:09:37Unlimited

1:09:37or not yes we all want photo stream to be better we had many bad shows about describing how frustrating it is that

1:09:46every picks gone everything that Apple in taking up the baton

1:09:49and saying Don't worry you know how many pictures you take we'll take care of keeping them safe for a fee for not a fee

1:09:55like these give us an option at this point your options are not.

1:10:00Great and no one company is ready to take care of your photos forever or even try to make that promise.

1:10:05I really think this is the kind of am and you know we've talked at length about this.

1:10:09The prompt has talked at length about this even more so than us I think which is saying a lot.

1:10:15I think this is one of those things like Apple has to be the one to offer the photo solution finally leads

1:10:23and it doesn't mean they will.

1:10:24I actually am not that confident they will but I think I think that's what needs to happen long term.

1:10:31I really do and there are so many question marks about how they would do that and if they would do that

1:10:36and how they could pay for that.

1:10:38To me I think the biggest question mark is still video what do you do with video

1:10:41and the answer is probably just a minute from photo stream

1:10:45or severely down sample it so it fits within like the one minute sending limit stuff like that.

1:10:50But overall I just think like if you look at how people actually use these devices

1:10:56and what people's expectations of their data

1:10:59and its safety actually are I don't see any other solution that would actually be a good long term.

1:11:07Apples have to do it and they have to find a way to to do it and pay for it and

1:11:11and you know there are there are some shortcuts they can take that could substantially cut down on the cost in data

1:11:18volume like for instance just don't store you know obviously don't support Ra's

1:11:21and stuff from desktops just don't store the full quality.

1:11:26Like if you if they store every picture quality forty of almost nobody will ever be able to tell I don't like that I

1:11:34don't need to store the for quality

1:11:35when I wasn't really solving the problem I don't want crappy quality versions of the pictures

1:11:38and I can say that oh don't worry your all your devices went up in smoke in your house burned down

1:11:42but we've got a really crappy call you have it's not like they were.

1:11:45Now there's a there's a lot of headroom in the Jeep for I like it for goodness sake herders there is a ton of headroom

1:11:52you can get the quality down really small like you know not you know you're not going to bring a full you know folks.

1:12:00Hammer size picture down to you know sixty killed by its or anything

1:12:03but you can bring it down from you know what's what's what's in and what's a payoff

1:12:08and i Phone work these days like three and a half

1:12:09or five megs only that somewhere around there you could easily bring it down to one meg or less and be very.

1:12:18And be transparent almost anybody you know just like you can on a CD. Yeah you can.

1:12:24And I don't like that I don't like the solution I think I think that I think they should take Ra's that is going to

1:12:30figure out the economics like this is something that I think people will be willing to pay for as long as it's

1:12:36reasonable and I think with five dollar unlimited backup it shows that you know it's with Bill

1:12:41and it's going to get more and more reasonable over time because voters are not getting bigger.

1:12:45At the same rate that storage is getting cheaper at this point.

1:12:48I think so hopefully this will solve of actually a more realistic wishlist item for this would be what we also talked

1:12:53about is for i Cloud backups.

1:12:56You know a lot of these allow it to match the size of the device for a reasonable price instead of being though you get

1:13:02a little bit free and we nickel and dime you

1:13:04and if you buy another device so you don't get any additional storage interest if you pay more it would be nicer if

1:13:09they sort of rewarded their good customers who buy the biggest devices to buy lots of devices by making each additional

1:13:17purchase help you towards I climb back up for them you know what we really need is if Apple

1:13:25and I don't think they'd ever do it

1:13:27but did a unified backup solution so you've got backups of your i Devices as big as they are used much as you want.

1:13:37You know Time Machine now can refer to either a local drive and or the Apple you know Mobile Me cloud

1:13:46or something like that. Photo stream goes on either forever more or considerably longer than it does right now.

1:13:56I just I could just see how that would be so awesome and I would pay so much money.

1:14:00To just be able to in one place or pay one entity to make all of these backup problems go away.

1:14:07All right next on the wish list is auto downloading and updating i O. S.

1:14:13I don't see how that would really be feasible without Doesn't it already I don't download it.

1:14:21Yeah this is like auto updating.

1:14:22Well here's here's one problem when like my mom can't upgrade i OS seven yet isn't a free space

1:14:29and it needs like you know eight hundred megs on and she doesn't have that

1:14:32and what I have to tell her to get that is well if you want to do that you have to like delete all your photos

1:14:37basically killing eight gig i Phone four is like no space on there then this is the one that you told her expressly not

1:14:43to buy. Yes it is. Have you reminded her of that fact. Every time I see her.

1:14:48And how is that going over for you know it's starting to not go over that well anymore.

1:14:54Yeah yeah it's an eight gig i Phone four so it's the best of everything.

1:15:01Anyway so I don't see that as an that's impossible.

1:15:04It would it would anger so many people to have their phones automatically update to like a major Oh S.

1:15:08Really everything.

1:15:10Imagine if i OS seven was an automatic hit like not to the meltdown of the if it just automatically installed

1:15:15or your phone is charging one night I think that's coming just not in Iowa state the distant future.

1:15:23The infinite version. Jeff I would blog post Chrome is already auto updating you have no choice.

1:15:29No Jeff Atwood thing is it's going to be written in Java Script now

1:15:33or not that the other wrote a blog post about it called the internet version about the trend of software that was

1:15:40dubbed it self and you just accept it because the way it works now

1:15:43and that's the way you know that's a totally apple know when that day comes.

1:15:46It would happen and you just deal with it you know I mean as it happened. Web Apps but people get pretty angry at that.

1:15:54So like any time Facebook ever changes anything like half the world explode I think they can make.

1:16:00The default and people would just accept it like you know it and maybe that I ready for

1:16:05and I say they don't think this is going to happen and I say it but you know I was fifteen I would bet on it.

1:16:11All right. Separate game store from App Store. I would love that.

1:16:16I think you'd be nice some of you know happen like because if you if you look at the App Store now and yeah I agree.

1:16:21I don't think of the chance of it happening.

1:16:23I just wish it would happen because generally speaking I think if your browsing the App Store you probably have you

1:16:34probably have one of those things in mind like looking for a game right now

1:16:37or be looking for something else something non-game.

1:16:41What that would do to have store browsing would be pretty substantial and it wouldn't all be good

1:16:47but I think it would be a net

1:16:49when you know if you think about it if games had their own top charts assuming Apple's going to keep the top chart

1:16:56which I still think they shouldn't.

1:16:58I think the the top apps ranking lists are very destructive to quality of software and economics and so many things.

1:17:08I think they're very very bad for a lot.

1:17:11But Apple seems seems to be pretty committed to keeping them by their inaction so assuming they're going to keep the

1:17:19the topless in the store having games have their own complete topless like not just this one category with this little

1:17:27subcategories in the in the real app store have it.

1:17:30If you give it like it's own entire store

1:17:33and then it has a completely different standard for like editorial you know what's new in the

1:17:38or the the topless all that stuff.

1:17:40It will have and to have more granular categories not they would

1:17:43but it be nice if they would stuff like that that would be great.

1:17:47And then in the in the newly separated app store with no games in it it would be a lot easier to find apps because you

1:17:56wouldn't have all the charts and lists and features because of games.

1:18:02The problem I think is that first of all very few people can you know relatively speaking.

1:18:07Most people just visit the game store in the App Store would be pretty pretty abandoned by by most customers I think

1:18:16for casual browsing

1:18:18and that might not be a bad thing anyway because like you know how many of them are actually going to be after looking

1:18:24for a new game to play and ended up buying like your P.D.F.

1:18:26App like really like they're really having a lot of might but I don't know I would guess not.

1:18:32And then your problem would be you know how do you like how do you enforce the difference.

1:18:38Like if you're if you're an app that has like a game type element but you're a very useful productivity app.

1:18:44Also would you put yourself in the game store to get more visibility.

1:18:47What Apple does allow that how would they judge certain apps that are kind of like like kind of on the borderline

1:18:54between like is this an apparatus a game so I think overall it would it would have a few problems.

1:19:00Apple could overcome that if they wanted to

1:19:02but I just think the chance of them doing this are so low because it would be a massive change to the App Store

1:19:11and if there's one thing Apple has shown us over the last six seven years

1:19:15or however long it's been it's that they don't really care to make massive change to the App Store Whether they can't

1:19:21or they choose not to I don't know.

1:19:23But one of those things either they can choose not to and it's very very clear

1:19:26and I'm expecting no substantial changes to the App Store.

1:19:30Yeah I I don't know I feel like at some point they're going after a pisser get off the pot

1:19:38when it comes to that is not the metaphor because I mean well I'm trying to be polite

1:19:42and polite so they don't get out of trying to play fly control or get off the pot.

1:19:51Next they're they're going to do something

1:19:54and I concurred that I don't think that this is going to be the time for that for them.

1:20:00Do it

1:20:00but I just I don't I don't understand why the outward all outward indication is Apple just does not give a crap that

1:20:11all of their best of all of their best third party developers really are getting out of this enfranchise this rightward

1:20:20begetting grumbling about about the ecosystem

1:20:23and friend of the show underscore David Smith had a really really good episode of developing perspective that if we

1:20:31remember will put the show notes that it wherein he talks about kind of how the prevailing feeling in the community is

1:20:41very pessimistic and way more pessimistic than it's been in a long time

1:20:45and I agree with him completely that there's a lot of grumbling going on a lot more than usual

1:20:51and I don't know not that it all comes down to the store but you know you put a little money in everyone's pockets

1:20:57and typically everything looks a little bit better as a result. So we'll see.

1:21:02I don't know how much separating the game store from the App Store is really going to help I know it'll help make

1:21:09anything other than a game stand out a little bit more.

1:21:13But I think we've got much much bigger much more fundamental problems than that.

1:21:17I mean here's here's the problem the way I see it that if you look at the people who are actually complaining it's the

1:21:26small potatoes for the most part it's people like us.

1:21:28It's you know it's people like underscore it's people who are in like the like Apple geek blogger community.

1:21:37You know people who read they're in Fireball basically those people are complaining.

1:21:41But if you look at what's actually in the App Store all those people who are on those top lists they're probably go

1:21:48look we're fine this is great. Like our arc our community has always complain about the App Store from day one.

1:21:55They were you know we were complaining about some different things back then but it was mostly the same.

1:22:00If most of the same people.

1:22:02There's always been we've always been complaining about this and

1:22:05and if they fix some of the issues we have we will complain about different ones.

1:22:09So I don't actually think it's that different now.

1:22:13Now there's just you know some of the some of the directions that the App Store was taking at the beginning like the

1:22:21like the race to the bottom in pricing like some of those have just played out further then than they were at the

1:22:26beginning but I think for the most part the same it's the same group complaining with the same complaints

1:22:31and I don't know how much Apple cares about that because you know what I was saying earlier about how how they kind of

1:22:37you know put Game Center stuff and NEWSSTAND stuff like they put these they like in a drawer

1:22:42and just kind of forget about it.

1:22:44I think that's how they see apps like the into I think that's how they see the entire third party development community

1:22:50not quite as severely

1:22:52but the same kind of feeling where it's like we're going to have this this major community here that we kind of just we

1:23:02have to deal with them because of market forces like we we have to interact with them

1:23:06but we're going to try to compartmentalize it as much as possible and kind of patronize it to the degree we have to

1:23:12and just kind of you know I don't know just just kind of like show of all these people together in this way that will

1:23:21make them shut up

1:23:23and get them out of our face so we can keep doing our pristine stuff over on the side of the fence like that.

1:23:27And I know this doesn't represent everybody who works at Apple.

1:23:32There's a lot of great people there who try to make developer's lives better

1:23:36but the actions of the company as a whole indicated that's what they think of us.

1:23:42And that has been that has been the case for the entire history of the App Store.

1:23:47And I don't see that changing

1:23:49and I don't really see a pressing need for to change because from if you look at it like from the from the super hype

1:23:54executives point of view you look at it like from Tim Cook or from Phil Schiller who I think the absolute.

1:24:00Actually under Schiller's reign I think but I'm not entirely sure.

1:24:05It doesn't matter who it was rant on

1:24:06or if you look at it from their point of view they can every you know every quarter they can point to some number like

1:24:12Look here's how much we paid to developers overall we're doing great.

1:24:16We have all these apps in our store people keep buying them or people keep putting coins into candy whatever and

1:24:21and it's fine there's no problems if that metric based approach though is what annoys me the most because they get up

1:24:28there and they say they have these numbers to say here's how many billions of dollars we gave to developers.

1:24:33Here's how many apps we have in the store and let me show you this awesome app that that is great

1:24:38and if they lay them all out like that you're like well be outsourced grave

1:24:43or they don't realize is the awesome at this great sells nothing all that money is from bilking a bunch of whales out

1:24:49of money for an app purchases for crappy games

1:24:53and a number of apps in the store is high because millions of keyword spam clone piece of crap things

1:24:58and like those three numbers are big on their own.

1:25:01But like Together they don't make an app store filled with awesome games

1:25:06and developers making a lot of money you know I mean and I don't know if they know that

1:25:10or if they think they just look at their metric

1:25:12and say that matters could that matter to you that Matter is good therefore the App Store is good because I think

1:25:17when they see these games like this happen it's beautiful happy use for medical imaging or that sells like ten copies.

1:25:21Known by everyone is that everyone is buying candy crush and getting their money sucked out of their pockets.

1:25:26And there's so many many billions that's we have we have more apps.

1:25:30Yeah they're all crap like we just it's what we're all complaining about is because we want we realize that those

1:25:36things are so different we want there to be a store with lots of good high quality apps made by developers who get a

1:25:42fair price for them and the customers who are satisfied by them and not have the apps that are that exist

1:25:46but the individual metrics are the numbers look good right

1:25:50and I really wonder whether they are fooled by those numbers or whether they just bring those numbers out

1:25:56and say well this makes good for good P.R. but We know internally there's a bunch of problem. That's a good question.

1:26:01But if we know internally there's a bunch of problems. We've had a lot of time for those problems to get fixed.

1:26:07And Marcos right there's been a decided lack of action.

1:26:12So what point do we just throw our hands in the air and say you know what.

1:26:15This is obviously the way it is and was have to live with it.

1:26:19I mean some a lot of it like if you look at the App Store it's obviously built on the same infrastructure as the i

1:26:25Tunes store and the i Tunes store has the exact same issues where it doesn't really change very often it doesn't.

1:26:32It's if you look at in-store today versus the i Tunes Store in two thousand and eight

1:26:37when after was launched it's it has not changed much you know about the range of ninety nine dollars can put a song up

1:26:44there. The use of the same title to be on say song and trying to make money by device only buying it.

1:26:49That's true but I would probably isn't that different actually

1:26:52but anyway you know it's it seems like anything that involves the i Tunes Store infrastructure for whatever reason

1:26:59whether it's a technical political whatever the reason is it's like it's frozen in time an Apple can never meaningfully

1:27:06improve it or they just choose not to.

1:27:09And and I don't know what that like you know a front for every oh Casey our friend.

1:27:14I probably should name him

1:27:15but forever ago our friend told us a number of times that like the i Tunes store is not run by Apple it's run by some

1:27:23contractor in Virginia something like that and I don't know if that's true or not

1:27:26but you know if that is true it explains a lot

1:27:28but either way it just seems like Apple doesn't care that much about the i Tunes store

1:27:33or they're paralyzed by some kind of technical debt.

1:27:36They haven't repaid or choose not to repay it and just can't change anything about it

1:27:42or whatever whatever reason they don't even think about it.

1:27:45They're paralyzed by the success in terms of like the volume like what some of those numbers they tried out how many

1:27:50apps are there how many things are downloaded how many bytes how many songs and those numbers are so big

1:27:55and any interruption in that is so you know like you know this.

1:28:00It should be something that a company can handle doing

1:28:01but I think that as the biggest thing they have the biggest online thing that money comes in

1:28:08and data goes out is basic app store and i Tunes Store combined right. That's their biggest thing.

1:28:14If your plan is we're going to totally change that thing and your organization feels nervous about your you know

1:28:21and not so common about your ability to deploy a sort of web scale Google scale services you can be like my bonus

1:28:29depends on not being down on Christmas morning and letting people set up their new devices and be able to buy apps

1:28:34and I do things and this works for that.

1:28:36And people have complaints

1:28:37but my good friend you need to convince yourself that the safe move is it a stick with the infrastructure you having to

1:28:42keep improving it by bits and pieces.

1:28:44How long can Apple keep going with their web services feel like they're running on DOS

1:28:49and everyone else's in this century.

1:28:50Yeah the longer they go the bigger it gets like if they did they would have the same feelings back

1:28:54when the i Tunes to buy the apps and didn't exist on the i Tunes store was half the size

1:28:57and now just the problem keeps getting bigger and bigger over time

1:29:00and the longer they wait the harder it is to you know replace it with something better that also happens to work at

1:29:05that scale just by Google.

1:29:08Well you know I think we're always inside of the fact that it's only a matter of time before Web Objects has a

1:29:14resurgence because clearly that's what's going to happen

1:29:17and I don't I don't even know if exposing the objects who knows that it doesn't they are they are really there.

1:29:22The boy on the back end like we can see the U.R.L.'s and the web page but that could've been legacy your girls

1:29:30and probably not none of my extremely limited understanding influenced in part by friends of Bertie's in Bertie's

1:29:40occasionally it is all mostly Web Objects as far as I know it's not always objects in the back

1:29:46and I don't know I mean it probably the language might not be the problem.

1:29:51I think it's pretty clear the problem is just cultural with an apple it's like the for whatever reason they just do not

1:29:58consider it a priority.

1:30:00To modernize these systems in a in a significant major way

1:30:04or two to make significant changes to the stores themselves or the way they work to benefit users

1:30:11and developers in a substantial way. They just they just don't care that that's the reality of it.

1:30:16They just don't care.

1:30:18Well I wonder if part of the reason they don't care is because from my understanding of the Google Play store that is

1:30:27so full of I don't know if I should call it spam but full of things that probably don't belong

1:30:35and you can define that however you'd like. It's such a it's an even worse Wild West out there.

1:30:41And so since nobody showing them up and making them look bad.

1:30:46And additionally since so many really hot apps are still on i OS first.

1:30:51You know like Instagram's a great example which is quite old now but you know take Instagram.

1:30:57What's compelling Apple to make it better.

1:30:59A bunch of whining nerds talking on a pod cast that maybe none of them listen to anyway you know I just I don't I don't

1:31:07see what the impetus is to really make it better from their point of view. Yeah that's a good point.

1:31:11I think we would all agree that they still have the best store as crappy as it may be probably the problems are worse

1:31:17elsewhere and so I Apple Apple responds the competitive pressure Android getting better you know.

1:31:23If you look at past past Major I O. S. Versions look at the features they've added a lot of them have been an I O. S.

1:31:30First

1:31:30and that competitive pressure really has you know what Apple decided what's going to go on i OS five what's going to go

1:31:36on i OS X.

1:31:37You know strategic

1:31:38and competitive things like strategic as like oh we got to do maps around because we had Google now

1:31:42and you know notifications. Why do they get those why Android hadn't for a while.

1:31:46People one of them is that it isn't like you know Apple can add lots of different features to their O.S.'s very often

1:31:52choose to add ones that competitors had before them because competitive pressure.

1:31:56And so who is making the better curated more. Isn't less spam filter caps or nobody I guess.

1:32:03Well there's that what is it. Fine D.O.F.

1:32:06Indeed I go to that now until I go into which other platform like any radio maybe

1:32:11or maybe a Windows phone because I have a lot of absolute all of them

1:32:14and there are like I don't know make fun of Windows Phone.

1:32:21Right so back to this list which is longer with how long do we spend going through it the more I think it's not

1:32:25actually somebody with knowledge but anyway I think at this point it's pretty clear.

1:32:29Instead of going to the next item is there anything in the remainder of the list that we think is interesting enough to

1:32:33talk about I think the one month other delete messages thing could be interesting as we you know we talked before as

1:32:40has the prompt.

1:32:41We talked before about you know the issue of people's text messages getting so big because what ends up happening is if

1:32:48somebody messages you a photo that photo sticks around your messages forever until you delete that entire conversation.

1:32:55Or I think you saw an individual items but nobody ever does.

1:32:58So that photo sticks around forever and just takes up space on your device

1:33:03and so having having some kind of auto delete I think is a solution I don't think it's the solution I think the

1:33:11solution.

1:33:12John you mentioned earlier is to store those things and i Cloud

1:33:16and just you know have some kind of retention where you know maybe you don't delete it maybe don't plea for is after a

1:33:23month maybe you keep somebodies photos for the last year

1:33:26and just keep everything like people are going to use it's all like you know people they are going to use to mail the

1:33:32file back up with an email myself things like I don't think anyone's going to exploit it by saying just just send me

1:33:37through my message all the photos could have all star there forever it's just text mostly yes there's pictures in there

1:33:41but just keep on

1:33:43and just I just bite the bullet look the battery in these I was devices is going to run out in like three years this

1:33:49thing's going to be dead.

1:33:51They're going to buy a new one because technology the advance thing they're going to give you more money to store our

1:33:56messages forever their text and plus a little bit of. Images John.

1:34:01You clearly never exchanged text messages with me because they are way heavy on the images and way light on the text

1:34:09and in total how many years since two thousand and seven you have a three gigs

1:34:13or something I forget what it was because I've since deleted most I know

1:34:17but you have like three it's not that much like if you really need to.

1:34:21It really needs to be I think people are willing to pay some sort of thing of like Apple keep all my stuff wherever in

1:34:25the default could be delete after a year or two years or something reasonable like that but yeah like Barbara said.

1:34:30Deleting off a device is so primitive like there is only there was some other place we could protect like every Just

1:34:37stick up there and

1:34:38when I get to the end of the scroll thing pull them down just like basic basic cloud stuff that we all take for granted

1:34:46us like Why of course Apple can't do that voters have to delete them off their devices when they get too old

1:34:50but that's the sad part. They can't like they were shown so many times they actually can't.

1:34:56It's embarrassing it's like what went through there.

1:35:00They're one of the most they're certainly probably the most influential tech company in the world.

1:35:05They're one of the biggest one of the most successful I mean it's there they are on top of their game in so many ways

1:35:12and yet once it comes to touching something on a server somewhere they just it's again it's like they're living in the

1:35:18darkest days and certain certain parts there was great like the the push notification system is really good.

1:35:27It's rock solid most of the day.

1:35:28Demean maybe maybe like its first few months it might have had some problems

1:35:32but it's been rock solid for me the entire time like most of they have with these couple of things that are amazing.

1:35:40And then everything else is just like you know half assed crappy unreliable or

1:35:47or you know relevant to this part of the session just extremely limited in ways that would seem that would seem like

1:35:54archaic and too limited on the Internet ten years ago or built on a framework that like doesn't acknowledge.

1:36:00Existence of servers like to build on a framework the entirely a client side framework

1:36:03and into some kind of like shimmer adapter to get it like it's not it's not sort of like a web native you know I mean

1:36:09right.

1:36:09Even even as native as you think of like a stupid infinites for a web page that

1:36:14when you get to the end it makes an Ajax request and pulls down some more data and sticks it in like.

1:36:19No no we wouldn't that's too primitive We have a framework of laws of course it works only client side

1:36:23and if you want to bog down server side there's not even any good hooks for that

1:36:26but you know they try to take something like a Lego a cord

1:36:29and it will also make your garage cloud didn't work out all that great so far either so you know I'm not saying we have

1:36:36to be web first and go there you eyes and H.T.M.L. and Javascript but everything every A.P.I.

1:36:41They make every framework they make for dealing with data at this point should have some acknowledgement that it may be

1:36:48useful for some or all of this data not to be local and build that into how the framework works.

1:36:53Yeah you know what I just thought of is I've met a handful of Apple engineers maybe two hundred five and fifteen

1:37:02and every single one of these people.

1:37:05Firstly they're all software engineers and they're not they're not hardware engineers

1:37:10but every single one of these people.

1:37:12I can't think of any that have been anywhere near servers and it's extremely anecdotal

1:37:18and not really representative of anything real

1:37:21but I don't know do you guys know anyone that works an apple on the server side no. Are there that many of them.

1:37:27I've talked I've talked to some people who have done work on the you know the back end for i Cloud dot mac type stuff

1:37:37back in those days.

1:37:38So there are those people there

1:37:40but I mean that we talk about the same problem so many times like that it's just if you're going to do this type they

1:37:46just look at the client side Apple does the client side so well look at the things they do there and how they do it

1:37:50and look at how they make new frameworks for solving problems and extend those for him or can support them

1:37:55and fix bugs in them and replace old ones with new ones and they build an infrastructure.

1:38:00From the compiler all the way out for doing client side stuff very well

1:38:03and they just you know it's just constant improvement.

1:38:06Improving the language improving ID for in the compiler making new frameworks on and on and on.

1:38:12There's no quibbling to that on the server side or there is we don't see it at all.

1:38:16Versus Google which does exactly that equals on the server side they have tools for storing data for synchronizing data

1:38:22tools for managing their data center on the hardware side.

1:38:25This is constant revision constant improvement every piece of infrastructure from the bottom up.

1:38:29That's all they do all day long all year like the whole company is built around that

1:38:33and Apple does that on the client side it's just that Apple doesn't invest in infrastructure on the server side in a

1:38:40way that is visible to us on the outside it could be that they do all exactly the same things that Google does

1:38:45internally we just don't see it because why would anyone outside need to see these things

1:38:48but I think that's part of the culture.

1:38:50Why do we know about spanner and big table and produce because Google told us about them

1:38:55and shared their knowledge expertise in open source this stuff and protocol buffers

1:38:59and like all these you know even Facebook with all its different projects in the H H B M and scribe

1:39:06and all of the stuff like that culture doesn't exist at Apple

1:39:09and I don't see how they're ever going to be competitive with those companies unless they get some of their religion.

1:39:13I think it's like what I well I think summarize what I see from the outside.

1:39:18It's that Apple completely lacks muscle in the entire category of web services like you see like Apple is like pulling

1:39:29the industry forward when it comes to hardware design forever

1:39:34and a lot of the software design as well if they're dragging the industry for that.

1:39:38Look at how awesome we are we're going to force you all to keep up with us in hardware and software design

1:39:44and then it comes to things like was Services and the rest of the industry is doing that to Apple

1:39:49and Apple is just like being dragged along kicking and screaming like fine I guess I'll do the bare minimum.

1:39:55That might solve your problem in a web service. And it's like.

1:40:00They are they are only doing what's required not often not even that and just putting no similes to the front.

1:40:09Putting no heart into it no substantial effort.

1:40:13That's like you know above

1:40:14and beyond their just like to them it's just a checkbox like fine I guess we have to do something with the web service

1:40:21eventually Here you go there's no hustle there we don't see like there's never anything where they launch it

1:40:27and then all of a sudden everyone else has to scramble to keep up.

1:40:30You know Siri might have been one of those things

1:40:33but even then they got they got you know laughed pretty quickly after that it was like they they just completely lack

1:40:41that hustle on the services and where they have it in other areas of their business

1:40:46but you just don't see that at all for services whereas then Google and Facebook and Amazon

1:40:52but especially Google they're I think they're the best at this by far. Google just nailed that.

1:40:58Google will destroy anybody with sheer server side hustle.

1:41:03They're so good at it they just have like infinite server side engineering resources to to just beat everyone up with

1:41:14with web service capabilities and advancements

1:41:18and new expectations have by other people by customers because of how awesome their web services are

1:41:24and you know Google does web services what Apple does with hardware design

1:41:29and Apple just seems to not want to close that gap at all.

1:41:33Someone on Twitter asked why we don't use a shared pages document for charlatans that we use the Google thing

1:41:39and that's because I don't like the pages thing.

1:41:43Like I looked at it again just to make sure that I still didn't like it when he did that and I quote Oh

1:41:49and the pages created document open a new window resize that

1:41:52and it looks like a big you know word processing window from the one hundred ninety seven and I said Nope.

1:41:59Close that up like.

1:42:00It's not it's not what I want

1:42:02and you know I don't even notice that even support all the like you know somebody that it kind of multiple people

1:42:07editing a document the same time a different colored cursor is that we take for granted in Google Docs which is like

1:42:11how old now I think it's supposed to

1:42:14but I don't know that that's like that's it that's an example of like those apps may be great

1:42:19but you know mind share wise I'm not doing a concert of them because I assume they're not great

1:42:23and I assume are not reliable and interface wise they're trying to imitate a desktop application

1:42:28and that that's not what I want out of a web application I want something I can open in a tab that we can all type

1:42:32and at the same time in Google provided you know be open fast and reliable and won't do weird things in a work

1:42:37and whatever browser I try to use it

1:42:39and they'll just build the creepy I mean whatever I like like that that the reason we're not using Pages I think your

1:42:45case is just that

1:42:46and you said you wanted I said no it's not because I hate Apple it's because I know Google Docs works

1:42:52and it's reliable and like you know it's very difficult to gain that trust back even if you match

1:42:57and even if you're better it's hard to gain that trust back.

1:43:00Likewise a very news Google Hangouts because because they work because it's a way that people can communicate with each

1:43:05other and Google enters this thing and has steadily improved it and people have learned that's a thing that works.

1:43:11Everyone gets you know web browser if you can fit where brother works just get chrome.

1:43:16We know that all work not too hard to set up and they get the job done.

1:43:22You know we'll see I don't I just at some point at some point Apple's got to take this seriously

1:43:28and maybe they're taking it seriously already

1:43:31but they're going to show someone outside of Cupertino that progress is being made and it's not it's not Apple's M.O.

1:43:41To be self-deprecating or really admit things are wrong unless they're pretty sure thirty fixed

1:43:48but man some sort of not even STATE OF THE UNION but some sort of not that says hey guys this is pretty crummy.

1:43:58But here. What we're doing here's what's coming which is exactly the sort of thing one would expect to see W.D.C.

1:44:04If that's if if that's a card up their sleeve but I don't know run a time on on that

1:44:10and we're actually kind of running on out of time on the show.

1:44:13So let me scoot forward so your fallback was in the maybe category on this wish list that is appeared on

1:44:20and off invaders of various versions of i O S N I have always loved it because

1:44:25and the first real problem violin music

1:44:29when I walk out of the office if I'm fiddling with my phone after my our offices on the third floor of the building as

1:44:35I walk down the stairs

1:44:36and eventually out of the building a lot of times my i Phone will try to cling to the office wife

1:44:42and I'll be trying to peruse Twitter or something like that and I can't get anything.

1:44:47I don't get any response back because my phone is being too persistent clinging to why fire

1:44:52and there was a brief window of time like I said when when on a beta you could tell it you know just go

1:44:57and fall back to cellular if you not really get an answer quick enough in the multipath T.C.P. Is for I believe so.

1:45:03But now you're outside my wheel house I've heard of it but I'm not really sure about it.

1:45:08And man I would love for that to come back and be a thing.

1:45:11I think it's supposed to be in seven maybe it doesn't work as well.

1:45:14I don't know well and I think that and I'm waiting for John to correct me but I think T.C.P.

1:45:21Is supposed to help

1:45:23but there's not supposed to be like two different you could you sailor wife I simultaneously for speed boost

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1:46:01And you are now sitting on the audience.

1:46:12As I said to that list and he actually wrote down a couple things to look back and see if any is worthwhile.

1:46:45So what we what are we going to do what are they going to do about interrupt indication.

1:46:49I wasn't even on this person's wish list. He didn't care about it. You won't talk about that weird.

1:46:54I always say it side by side and I've had thing that came up last week and I don't buy it.

1:46:59Toba next week's show will do like real predictions talk about the whole you know this is a good overview of Iowa State.

1:47:05But we need to like you know say our announcements what software announcements you know just the whole nine yards Numac

1:47:11pros

1:47:12and they held their last chance before they say for next week so I think we should save Iowa side by side as I think it

1:47:17will come up there. Yeah maybe.

1:47:19I think that's something that's you know well I don't know if it has any more credence than an anonymous e-mail that I.

1:47:26didn't know was his name how would a nine to five Mac.

1:47:29Yeah it's like that's the only reason he was even talking about it is it is Mark or Manhattan under five

1:47:33and he is a really good history like he is.

1:47:36He's a pretty reliable leaker of rumors

1:47:41and that's exactly where he likes to be known as are pretty reliable leaker of rumors.

1:47:47Yeah he is pretty reliable sources and he chooses like the things he chooses to report. His record is pretty good.

1:47:54So what I'm saying is he's good at his job so for him to report this as as what seems like a pretty. Sure thing.

1:48:02There certainly is some some weight to that.

1:48:04Whether it will actually ship is another story

1:48:07but it would not surprise me if the side by side thing has at least been tested for Iowa

1:48:15and is being considered for inclusion and I was you know I would imagine by now like you know a week

1:48:20and a half from the keynote they probably haven't decide what is going to be there or not

1:48:24and what it should be mentioned or not who knows.

1:48:27Yeah I mean yeah you have to think that something that big if it appears in the keynote.

1:48:32People are going to expect the ship but in the past things appear to you know it's

1:48:35and then just not shipped in the version of the O. S.

1:48:38That they've been more minor feature something this day I feel like they'd have to commit to such a talking anyway.

1:48:44I couldn't possibly tell us about this feature I think it's not I mean maybe there's a thought of something that I have

1:48:50and it's going to be amazing but I think the biggest problem with I.O.U.'s multitasking is not side by side apps.

1:48:59It's it's it's the file system problem it's it's sharing the data.

1:49:04It's like where do you keep the documents where do you keep files do you keep files you would assume something will be

1:49:11part of this though like this I give it like I don't have a place to put a thing so this app can write it

1:49:17and that other African region right.

1:49:18But if you have been side by side

1:49:20and they made something like Oh if you drag it from one thing to the other then we will make some temporary location

1:49:26for the thing in it like that like some plumbing to make that happen I don't know if that will be part of side by side

1:49:30apps but what I see side by side apps I mean do you think I would like to be able to drag things between them

1:49:35and if that's not part of it in version one I would hope that if they keep going down that road they'll work on that

1:49:40and yes that means like the side by side part is almost making that work.

1:49:43It's whatever the underlying system is they have for having the solid application to share data between each other.

1:49:49But even a really stupid one that's basically like copying placement with file temporary file backing.

1:49:56Even that could go a long way because that solves the problem of like where. Do I put this.

1:50:00So that when I leave this app and go into the lap you can see it and there's no putting if you drag it between there.

1:50:08Then it's just like oh well this is a single action and we have a framework that handles a single action

1:50:13and it will do whatever needs to do to deal with the sandboxing stuff to make that happen.

1:50:17Yeah that would definitely help a lot.

1:50:19I feel like there's some sort of interrupt communication fix that none of us can conceive ended

1:50:26and as per usual sin is Apple shows us we're going to say Oh of course that's the way it works

1:50:30but I mean I don't know if there isn't any sort of Internet communication improvement.

1:50:36Well first of all Federico is probably going to just quit the internet.

1:50:39But I can let me just I don't know what else what else is really really egregiously broken about I.O.'s other bugs

1:50:47and each of us plus unfair

1:50:49and traded throughout the communication for a new file system any day for every one of them John Surtees all you know I

1:50:54guess.

1:50:57What else going on is that not really a lot going on right and

1:51:00when this is the problem with the with trying to record you know a crazy schedule of working around our travel needs

1:51:08and everything and recording basically three episodes in about eight days.

1:51:13There hasn't been a lot happening during these days.

1:51:16Yeah we're going to we're going to miss the week before the very see when all the good leaks come out.

1:51:19But anyway I will have to run it was actually very Thursday.

1:51:24Yes Well it is not that we had to make sure that we go through all the things harbour nonsense offer announcements

1:51:28and not get too bogged down in any one thing like you know the split screen Iris Have you guys met yourselves for our

1:51:35home or if we should all have that we should all have lists of things that we think are going to be announced

1:51:39and we just go through our list and then we can go back and talk about the individual thing.

1:51:43OK I'm sure that will work perfectly. Totally.

1:51:47We will definitely do our homework and Marco will play a minute value

1:51:50and everything will be thought oh yeah yeah because you know everything that prevented me from playing it the last

1:51:55couple of weeks that's all gone now. So now we'll play it. Yeah I'm saving all of my.

1:52:00By overcast complaints for a future show.

1:52:02As I look at the activity of the beta most people are hitting on most of the things that but I am trying to use it.

1:52:08I was speaking of a complaint was not your fault but I'm thrilled that you're trying to use it.

1:52:11That that alone is a compliment.

1:52:13Yeah I'm trying to use it I used it on my commute to work today or this weekend

1:52:17and I go let me just set it up with my car Bluetooth because I'm going to be using his i Pod Touch as my podcast thing

1:52:23your POD catcher.

1:52:24Yeah whenever my car is Bluetooth support but if I touch a Bluetooth but they don't talk to each other at all.

1:52:33Well when I turned on the Bluetooth parenting in my car and said Do you want to connect to my wife's i Phone five S.

1:52:39Which apparently has been in the car before in a car is detected and is already to pair with it or does it.

1:52:43Does the car support music streaming like as I think it's because it still is but doesn't support music streaming

1:52:50or just voice. Because some cars like like I rented a Maxima when I was in Phoenix.

1:52:55Couple weeks ago and it had Bluetooth

1:52:57but only for like phone calls which actually led me to think about it would be a really cool feature if I could

1:53:03simulate a phone call over Bluetooth

1:53:05but just put the pod cast through it with from my hat so that you could play it in cars that didn't have that feature

1:53:11enabled but I don't know if that's possible with this.

1:53:14It supports music streaming and handset parings voice everything

1:53:18but only with the i Phone doesn't see my i Pod Touch blues has on discoverable everything

1:53:23and no device is detected so that was disappointing some using the U.S.B.

1:53:27Adapter for which is kind of crappy been a struggle.

1:53:30Anyway I have tons of complaints I'll tell you all in you know next time we see each other and want to thank you.

1:53:35But really the beta people are really getting a lot like you're getting a lot of good feedback for the bait

1:53:39and any time I have any complaint I just go look through the beta feedback I'm like yep that person said that I agree

1:53:43with that. I like I mean I can imagine me to them. If you want me to vote but mostly they're getting.

1:53:47Yeah actually it would help. Yeah voting helps. Just file a bug and I'll mark it as a duplicate.

1:53:52I should put I should put favorites we're doing on glass ports on top a little phase next to the ones that are like.

1:53:57Can't tell what the whole downloading don't want to play when I tap on a.

1:54:00Just want to description although I call Thank you I'm glad you agree with me on that you know everyone agrees everyone

1:54:04agrees definitely playable.

1:54:06I'll give I'll give you it in full detail disclosure button

1:54:09and then you're in your stupid menu toolbar icon still holding the line on the head. Yeah well there.

1:54:17I don't want to ruin what it is that of all complained about after you really something if you don't end up falling

1:54:21back to the icon that you know you should use to refuse to know I'm not going to do it

1:54:25but you should because it would work in ever knows what it means.

1:54:27You're right but I don't want to use what I can

1:54:29and I want to see it's an experiment I want to see if I can get along without using it.

1:54:32I know my wife so it's like it's like you know settings

1:54:35and the magazine is only one thing that you wrote you know like I'm damn And I'm going to hold the line on this.

1:54:41Well yeah I always put like some kind of I always try experiments in my apps and sometimes they bomb out

1:54:48and don't work most of the time they bomb and don't work but occasionally they work really well and that's like.

1:54:57And people end up loving my apps for those occasional ponder those things work like so many little features that people

1:55:03love Instapaper where those kind of experiments are just the way for the support email influx of people can't figure

1:55:10out where the hell the thing that's done that but in this was.

1:55:17Anyway

1:55:17and I don't want to I don't want to disclose anything about the app so we'll talk more about that probably long after

1:55:22the be of idiocy when you start getting to the point where you want to release it or talk about or publicly.

1:55:27Yeah I don't know when the moment of release.

1:55:29I'm thinking maybe I'm going to really give it if I had to give a date I was just waiting.

1:55:36If I had to give a date today seeing what I have to do in the next few weeks like just just like life like going to

1:55:44this conference and and family stuff

1:55:46and travel stuff in Iowa say they're in for get a just yeah I always say it like I'm thinking like I'll be lucky to get

1:55:52it out in July.

1:55:53Maybe I'll see that you Plus you've got plenty of plain old bugs and like this is what happens

1:55:58when it goes from a one user up to. Like thirty years or out they find all the books. Oh yeah yeah.

1:56:03That's why it's amazing like how how many bugs have been found. It's really quite shocking.

1:56:10Like like in my typical you know typical me naive A D I in my initial email to the testers I wrote something on the

1:56:18lines of like I'm pretty sure this is pretty close to one point many looking for like you know focuses

1:56:23and the like feature was never like this I was I'm pretty sure this is this is pretty close to one point oh

1:56:28and it's nowhere close it's like too close to it because if you understand the app entirely

1:56:33and then you throw the thing in front of people who haven't been looking at it for months

1:56:36and like you know I don't understand how even even to this day there's still future I don't want you to explain to me

1:56:43like but that I don't entirely understand I'm able to get the app to do what I want which is interesting

1:56:48but the conceptually there are things they don't understand at all and it's like I could ask Mark

1:56:52and he would explain it to me

1:56:53but other people are going to go this year that you know I mean SOB trying to like see it as the basis for aggressive

1:56:59starts to reveal itself to me but already I like it better than any other I.O.'s podcast app you know with the U.I.

1:57:07That I've used because I can configure it to let me manage my podcast the way answering manually doing it terribly

1:57:14painfully manually am i Pod Shuffle So thumbs up for the utility department there

1:57:18but I may go back to my shuffle after I if I get sick of like plug in the stupid U.S.B. Thing into my car.

1:57:24Yeah

1:57:24and the problem is that like there's nothing I can do really reliably to sync with like desktop i Tunes like that's something

1:57:34like that's like a wall that like pod cast clients can attempt to let you have a mac client you can try to read the i

1:57:39Tunes library it's kind of works. It kind of doesn't.

1:57:43On on the i Phone You can like I'm able to I haven't been able to feature in the betas Yep like one thing I want to do

1:57:50is like you know have an import from pot import from Apple podcasts option

1:57:54and the problem is you can read the library through public A.P.I. Is but only actual download or not.

1:58:00It's so if you have a pod cast that has that you've listened to everything and deleted all that will show up to me

1:58:07and all I have no way to tell that you that you're subscribed to a podcast that currently has no episodes download on

1:58:12your device.

1:58:13So there is limitations that it's going to make it really really hard to ever support like i Tunes importing that you

1:58:20know to a degree that people would expect it to work very well.

1:58:23Yeah I wish I could just configure playlists and overcast and they would magically appear a map

1:58:27and show your obsession with truffles kind of comical because it's so it's so easy I can clip it on to my clothes.

1:58:34So wearable right into my car

1:58:37and like you know I just the parts that are painful about it are trying to get songs on it ever which is a super

1:58:44painful like torture and accidentally hitting buttons on a soup

1:58:48and you know they put the play pause button in the middle of the circle trying to figure which button you're hitting

1:58:53not accidentally hit forward about like the physical U.I. It's crappy as well as many.

1:58:59It's much easier than having to deal with you know I really need to go really just go ahead quicker headphones I keep

1:59:04saying that I'm saying it for years. You know one of Apple's headphones with a little quicker than it.

1:59:08Yeah that's that's the problem.

1:59:10That's actually that's one of my one of my big problems with the headphone market is for portable had Sounds like all

1:59:16the headphones sound really good are all like you know the full size ones that you use your desk

1:59:21and they have like these big long cables oftentimes the cables are coiled

1:59:24or they might have at the giant quarter inch plug on the incidence of metal things plug almost none of the headphones

1:59:30sound great have the i Phone clicker and so the i Phone click or like it

1:59:36but it's definitely going to really really useful.

1:59:39It's not like you at your at your desk at your computer if you're out walking if you're on a plane

1:59:45or you can keep the i Pod or whatever in your pocket and just have a clicker there to do all your control

1:59:51and there are just very few headphones that are both good and have the clicker and have a good clicker I think.

2:00:00Or a different liquors like Sennheiser major leaguer

2:00:02when a kid makes the worst I've ever used in my life some of the like fashion brands some of them have good ones that

2:00:08like they want to try to like some of them are good some of them are awful.

2:00:12It's and and as to she points out many headphones have detachable cords you can liken to swap one in.

2:00:19But most headphones don't have attachable cords so you're kind of like stuck either doing like a really tiny sensitive

2:00:25soldering jobs going to hack your own cable on it which is a terrible idea

2:00:29or just use the cable that comes of that will eventually freeze somewhere internally and die.

2:00:34Maybe I watch will solve this problem for me

2:00:37but like the base of the problem is I could be doing if you have to guess LATE EDITION's which is a reasonable thing to

2:00:42do and your spouse comes in the room want to talk to you get officious thing out of your pocket hit the button.

2:00:48Swiped unsolicited advice. Find the pause button and paused.

2:00:52Compare it compared to just click on a clicker

2:00:54or just tap a little button on you know things that can become reflexes because they're physical devices there's no way

2:01:00in hell I want to fish and i Phone or an i Pod touch out of my pocket and interact with the U.I.

2:01:05Deposit and by the time I do that my wife is already rolling her eyes

2:01:08and same way with us in the pocket you know you could do is you could just get an i Phone that comes with the

2:01:14headphones with the clicker doesn't come with it. Yes I don't think so.

2:01:19Yeah they do it does and then

2:01:20when you go into your car it by the magic of Bluetooth you don't have to plug anything in.

2:01:26Become my wife is an i Phone five S.

2:01:27and I'm pretty sure there are no clicker headphones in this house so you think there is there is not a debate in my

2:01:33mind.

2:01:33They're under in the box either a little my thing

2:01:35and I should get maybe I left them in the box because I had to go fish those things every i Phone has come with the has

2:01:41come with your buds. The first one even came with a dock but that was short lived.

2:01:46Not perfect arm of the ear buds but with the click around them. Yeah with the clicker.

2:01:49I know if I'm going to find the rest of the show because I have not seen that yet.

2:01:53Every every ear buds that those ever come with i Phones and every i Phone has come with the above.

2:01:58They've all had clickers. They're going to. Couple generations of them. But they've all had them.

2:02:02I keep We don't know that there's one i Phone and it's out one i Phone five S.

2:02:07In this house

2:02:07and I was pretty sure didn't come the teams had my phone for a while I thought she had a forest in a five S.

2:02:12and Neither one of them.

2:02:13You're wrong maybe she never use they had thought I meant to conceal they're still sitting in the packets coiled up

2:02:18them to say I've never seen them in the house. Or maybe she got them and hide them from me.