The Accidental Tech Podcast

66: Boiling A Pretty Big Lake

 

  Remember when Twitter was good. [TS]

  Well Twitter itself the service is still mostly OK [TS]

  but got decisions to make Carol you know I've noticed lately by the way. [TS]

  Maybe I'm just waking up to five years ago [TS]

  but I've done a couple of searches recently for hotels like for to be able to see and things like that [TS]

  and I was looking at Facebook recently and they were putting in ads for the destinations I was searching for [TS]

  when I was not even anywhere near Facebook at the time which is an extremely creepy. [TS]

  Well that's that's the new Internet that's that's the modern privacy economy. [TS]

  So now I'm extreme so the net effect from that is that if I do look at Facebook I look at it [TS]

  and I log the hell out because I feel like that makes a difference even though it probably doesn't it doesn't. [TS]

  Yeah I mean you know it's this is just like the boil the frog analogy it's like you know at some point we we all say oh [TS]

  we can't do this this is too creepy and then you know six months later that's fine [TS]

  and then move on to the next creepy thing and Facebook and Google [TS]

  and all these companies that make money based on how creepy they're going to be will always get more [TS]

  and more creepy over time because that's how they will keep making money [TS]

  and keep staying ahead of each other in the competition [TS]

  and keep their numbers growing every quarter it's a whole business built on how creepy Are you willing to be [TS]

  and if you take small steps. It's pretty easy to justify pretty much anything anyway new under some follow up. [TS]

  Actually let me since I've brought it up let me interrupt you by saying we should we have recorded this on Monday the [TS]

  nineteenth of May and we did that because our schedules over the next couple weeks are a little wild. [TS]

  But regardless of when we release this if anything. [TS]

  Q wild something like that regardless of [TS]

  when we release this it's something we say sounds really really stupid because of some news that has just recently come [TS]

  out. It's because we recorded this on Monday rather than our normal day. [TS]

  And clearly that's why we sounded stupid and it couldn't possibly be because I actually said something stupid right [TS]

  and that would be the only reason why we ever say anything stupid it's only because we record the show a couple days [TS]

  before we post it usually that's the only reason we ever get anything wrong. I'm not going to bring up finals. [TS]

  So tell me about the chatter. [TS]

  So I had so last week I kind of defended Apple's supposed acquisition of peace which we still don't know anything about [TS]

  and we still have no confirmation about. [TS]

  But I defended it basically saying that beats is actually a really strong headphone brand [TS]

  and that their headphones while while they're not what audio files want in a headphone they are very appealing to a lot [TS]

  of people. [TS]

  And well anyway so today I actually spent the most time that I've ever spent with beat headphones because I had to go [TS]

  back to the Apple store. You know what's going on this is anything worth sharing. [TS]

  No the the i Phone five sleep wake replacement program I want to get my replaced because I want to have a very long [TS]

  life for development. [TS]

  That's OK so anyway so I went to pick it up today [TS]

  and you know everything you do in an Apple store these days this is probably good profit [TS]

  but everything you do in an Apple store these days takes like forty five minutes because there are certain things that [TS]

  you can't really make appointments for like picking up your phone from repair there are other things that you can make [TS]

  appointments for if you're willing to make an appointment seventeen days ahead of time and you get there [TS]

  and doesn't matter you made the appointment because they are already backed up [TS]

  and it still takes forty minutes before anybody will see you like a doctor. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and they do this weird thing where you go to the person first you go to the person at the front door who seems to be [TS]

  doing nothing and they tell you to go back to you know I've been in the back or whatever [TS]

  and go register if I've been back there with a lot of people. [TS]

  So you go in the store and you think you get in somewhere [TS]

  and there's a big line of people behind some guy with an i Pad and eventually you get to him [TS]

  and you tell me all right here stand here. As table and wait and will have you know Jerry come out and talk to you. [TS]

  So then then you stare and then you're like All right well you know five ten minutes in like kind. [TS]

  Can I move from this table like what will happen if I go look at the laptops over at that other table [TS]

  or go start playing with the headphones at the table over there [TS]

  and he's going to have to sit there standing around like waiting in planes. [TS]

  Maybe I'll just go over there and listen for my name [TS]

  and look for someone walking over there it's it's a really weird experience that I don't like the feeling that Apple [TS]

  retail stores are not only having trouble keeping up with the customer volume that they get [TS]

  but not doing a very good job with the solution they've come up with so far with you know creating good experience of [TS]

  the people I no longer enjoy going to the Apple store it's getting closer and closer to going to the D.M.V. [TS]

  In you know experience quality and things I would try to avoid. [TS]

  But it's really because you're an East Coast or in Word to I don't know organized and we like order too much. [TS]

  Lines we like the lines exactly I don't know. Apple Stores are to me like the epitome of California. [TS]

  Hey man it's cold just leave it here for a while we will be awesome. [TS]

  I've never enjoyed going down to star aside I want to get in I want to get out [TS]

  and it just if they make it impossible it's like at the game you just have to try to get served. Good luck yet. [TS]

  Seriously though I will say that the the Apple Store app that lets you still buy things that is really nice [TS]

  but everything else about the experience is pretty pretty crummy these days you know. [TS]

  Anyway so I I had some time for my pick up that's supposed to only take five minutes. [TS]

  I had probably a good twenty minutes in there [TS]

  and I went back to the headphone tables I mentioned last week I figured well you know it was only it was only two [TS]

  tables away from my designated. But we're supposed to stand but it was nothing. So I figured you know. [TS]

  Oh well I'll I'll see what goes on [TS]

  and it turns out they did find me it wasn't a big deal so nice top tip for all you life hacks out there so I got a [TS]

  chance to try all of the headphones they had I made it a point to try every single one [TS]

  and it was probably a total of I don't know maybe twenty sets some like that. [TS]

  And the good thing is this time there was a song on on most of the i Pod They were the Foo Fighters walk which is a [TS]

  great song from a great album from a great band [TS]

  and the good thing about this song is that I actually knew it normally I go to the i Pod in the stores [TS]

  and I don't know any of the songs on them [TS]

  and they're all like you know crappy modern pop songs which makes it very hard for me to judge sound quality [TS]

  and I'm always afraid to plug my i Phone [TS]

  and the headphone cable had some kind of security attachment on it as well so I never I'm never willing to plug my own [TS]

  phone [TS]

  and use my own music so anyway so I was able to compare the song that I know very well I know how it supposed to sound [TS]

  on good headphones and and it's a pretty rockin song it has a lot of bass a lot of a lot of everything really. [TS]

  It's a very you know all over the spectrum kind of song. [TS]

  So it should give me a pretty good idea of of how things sound and I tried every headphone they had that worked. [TS]

  Which is another problem about about a quarter of them just didn't work. [TS]

  A lot of them like they weren't they were plugged in maybe or they had noise cancelling the batteries were dead [TS]

  or whatever the case doesn't matter. [TS]

  Most of them I was able to try and the beats had such an incredibly distinct sound [TS]

  and by that I mean it was all bass like all days. [TS]

  It was shocking like in a true fighter song in order to turn I had to turn it down far enough that it wasn't blowing up [TS]

  my ears of bass but at the Vaal at like the highest bass volume I could tolerate for a sustained period. [TS]

  You could barely hear the words that were being said like the base was so strong [TS]

  and the midrange is like tucked down under everything you could barely hear it and it was really strange [TS]

  and so I looked in a few other you know I tried a few other sets [TS]

  and verify that you know they didn't just have a crappy version of the song it wasn't some weird E.Q. [TS]

  Setting on the i Pod settings area or whatever it was just that the Beats headphones really sounded bizarre [TS]

  and I don't know why you know I I said last week that people do like it [TS]

  and that's true I mean I guess this is a lot of the same opinion I have when I drink Starbucks coffee but [TS]

  but man it was rough it was and I tried every other set they had to [TS]

  and most of them you know they tried all the Bose ones that Bose has a new line called like accurate center something [TS]

  which is comical because it doesn't sound accurate at all. [TS]

  And there you know it all sorts of all sorts of like other you know luxury brands there's a Bang and Olufsen this B.M.W. [TS]

  and Not B.M.W. B.M.W. and All these other things and and please B.M.W. [TS]

  Never make headphones and he would probably be terrible on it that would cause a conflict in my mind. [TS]

  So generally when I got the opinion you know if you ever go into a Bang [TS]

  and Olufsen mall store they will it's you get the feeling it's it's like a Bose store. [TS]

  Times ten where like they have all these things around that like you know this crazy expensive speaker dhat crazy [TS]

  expensive headphones crazy expensive speaker tower fan thing [TS]

  and all these like weird bizarre boutique electronics that are ridiculously expensive and you know kind of cool [TS]

  and gimmicky Maybe but probably not worth those prices. [TS]

  That's how the Apple store is getting with all that audio stuff [TS]

  and system which has always been this way you know the Apple Store has never been a place where you could go buy audio [TS]

  file great headphones or anything but that that is. That's how their entire headphone department is. [TS]

  It's these like two to four hundred dollar boutique fancy fashion he marketing heavy brands that are not very good. [TS]

  By most measures but is cost a lot of money and are fancy and I wonder. [TS]

  I hope I hope this is wrong but I am a little scared this might be a future direction that Apple takes or [TS]

  or makes a mistake a bigger push into with their retail efforts like becoming this like fancy upscale boutique thing [TS]

  and other things like you know Apple has always had a reputation for being expensive [TS]

  and overpriced compared to other computers [TS]

  and we all know because you know we're not we all know because we're informed in these matters that Apple computers [TS]

  really aren't that much more expensive than comparably priced other computers certainly have the kind of low end that [TS]

  everyone else will market. [TS]

  You know Apple Apple would just pretty much has the mid mid range [TS]

  and high end of computers federally just the high end these days. And so Apple Computers are not overpriced. [TS]

  They are expensive but they are. It's a good value. [TS]

  You get your money's worth for them all the headphones they have in their store are not that way they don't have that [TS]

  same like. OK well they're pricey but it's worth it. [TS]

  They're pricey and it's not worth it [TS]

  and it is just overpriced you know kind of almost sham marketing she prints of it all the stuff that other fans accuse [TS]

  us of for being like you know Apple sheep or fanboys or whatever. That's all. [TS]

  Like people who like the kind of headphone brand that Apple sells. Those accusations are a lot more accurate for that. [TS]

  And for the headphone business that Apple's doing now. [TS]

  And so I hope that Apple is not going to go further in that direction because it scares me because I think that would [TS]

  actually damage their overall brand. [TS]

  Because people with heart associated Apple with even more so with like overpriced stuff that's not actually worth its [TS]

  price and for the rest of their product that's not the case. [TS]

  But people like those headphones though like people see the value [TS]

  and be ten phones because they're cool right whereas [TS]

  when you show them your macula you like well I like it because of you know such as operating system [TS]

  and build quality and whatever and the like. [TS]

  But you showed me the beat headphones they don't care about the sound quality like because they're cool. [TS]

  But it's like those hundred dollar pair of jeans [TS]

  or stores it's a hundred dollar jeans trying to convince someone about a hundred dollar pair of jeans that your twenty [TS]

  five dollar pair of Levi's is just as good if you won't it's a different type of mine seven experience I think the [TS]

  advantage that beats has is that you don't you don't have to convince a regular person that the Beats headphones are [TS]

  worth that you do have to try to convince the regular person that your mac is worth more than three hundred dollars [TS]

  dollar top because they don't see that I mean we see we see the differences [TS]

  but they don't I don't know if that's necessarily true though I think that most people that don't have Macs would [TS]

  probably buy one and spend the hundreds and hundreds of dollars that they think extra you know that if a comparable P.C. [TS]

  Is five hundred dollars the equivalent mac in their minds as a thousand. [TS]

  I think a lot of people would spend that extra five hundred dollars and so to speak. [TS]

  But the thing is it's a thousand dollars they're spending to get this mac unlike spending just a couple hundred dollars [TS]

  on a pair of headphones a couple hundred dollars is a lot of money Don't get me wrong [TS]

  but it's a much more approachable luxury price point in the same way that there are probably many people that would if [TS]

  they could buy either German luxury car or perhaps an Italian sports car. [TS]

  But as you keep going up this up this ladder the jump from agreeable to really nice. [TS]

  It is tremendous and more and less and less and less affordable. [TS]

  Think about Air Jordans when we were kids and like yeah eighty's [TS]

  and ninety's they were a hundred bucks in the eighty's that's easily the amount of the ten pounds that were Air Jordans [TS]

  better then a half bath water the cost half as much. [TS]

  Probably not without the Reebok pump like I wanted some of those so yeah you know you want them because they're cool. [TS]

  They got the charge a ridiculous premium form and they were similarly priced to be Ted on today just in for inflation. [TS]

  Depending on what you know particular model you are getting. [TS]

  I have incredibly sad real time follow up this is the saddest thing I have ever seen. [TS]

  It's been though you had phones you know. Yeah there actually is a pair of beads B.M.W. [TS]

  Headphones officially made by beads licensed by B.M.W. [TS]

  Wow I can't even imagine the level of do Shittu required to wear those in public. Wow Wow. But if it's just the B.M.W. [TS]

  Logo that adds that beats by themselves or just beats once you have the B.M.W. Logo two it's like that's too much. [TS]

  Yeah that's that's rough. That Wow. [TS]

  Well they have those Porsche Porsche Design did like a hard drive enclosure for Alessi at some point. [TS]

  Oh please Porsche in Ferrari are the worst [TS]

  when it comes to licensing their their logo for use on everything under the sun [TS]

  but it wasn't a logos like they designed I think I think it had a Porsche logo on it was like a car type thing the [TS]

  Porsche Design Studio They did a laptop like that to them in the bed. [TS]

  Anyway those be ten phones just logo branding all the Davis stamp a B.M.W. Thing on there and probably triple. [TS]

  Well it's on sale right now for only one hundred fifty dollars. You couldn't pay me to wear those. [TS]

  Before I get Miserables well anything else [TS]

  and now I think I think that's just at the Apple Store is a terrible place to buy headphones I will say by far the most [TS]

  comfortable pair of headphones there it was night in day difference. Most company. Had phones by far was the B N O X X. [TS]

  Those like tan ones that the White Cups in the tan whether you're cups extremely lightweight very very comfortable that [TS]

  they were in a class of their own for comfort. [TS]

  Unfortunately there are like three or four hundred dollars and they didn't sound that good but they those were great [TS]

  and all the other ones like people have as you know do you try like you know the P five P. [TS]

  Seven yes I did all the new Bose the quite comforted in the new you know accurate whatever which is whole other areas [TS]

  name all those things. [TS]

  Everything I tried sounded weird and disappointing to me in some way [TS]

  or another a lot of people have asked me what they should buy instead of these things. [TS]

  I don't have a I don't have one solid answer for that because it depends on what you're doing. [TS]

  I saw right out of my sight some time but [TS]

  and then the challenges that a lot of times a luxury these luxury overpraise marketing brands will be better than the [TS]

  better sounding ones in some of those factors like comfort or convenience noise isolation or [TS]

  or at the clicker on the head like the i Phone click there were some of the big ones won't. [TS]

  So it's tough like I can just give like one song recommendation I would say in general there's like five [TS]

  or six solid models I disagree with the wire cutter on a number of them but but for the most part like five [TS]

  or six good solid models like like you know the a K.G. Makes a bunch of good ones. Sony makes some good ones. [TS]

  They are dynamic or biodynamic However you say it. [TS]

  I love their stuff the D T seven seventy's would be a really good pick I think which he's wearing right now. [TS]

  There's there's a number of really good ones that are that are not that expensive and are very good [TS]

  but you know it depends on you know do you need to be portable it's reportable if you're going to be walking around do [TS]

  you want to be folded up and pocketable. [TS]

  I haven't found anything better than the Sennheiser P X two hundred two I which is unfortunate because it's mediocre in [TS]

  all the Regards except portability. [TS]

  But it destroys everything else and portability like everything that's not in here but it's a way it's way better. [TS]

  But anyway if you can wear in ear monitors [TS]

  or your buds without a lot of discomfort like what I have by all means do that because they are way more practical you [TS]

  can fold up put it in your pocket everything I just can't wear those. [TS]

  So you know I'm stuck with for those phones but oh well. [TS]

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  Yeah that sounds like awesome. Yeah yeah I mean he's a fan. [TS]

  He's actually bought a few sponsorships I think for the next three weeks. [TS]

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  and for John it's I believe the correct toaster that is the correct one. I was going to say for my eyes it looks right. [TS]

  The attention to detail for mine it's a white B.M.W. [TS]

  As well me that could be silver but it looks white to me D M W for yours. [TS]

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  You know this guy's such a fan thank you I need it is that a hypercritical Dakota my service status which looks really [TS]

  nice I was well you can try for free if you want to. We should move our download stats to this anyway. [TS]

  All right so we have a little bit more follow up about net neutrality. [TS]

  Yeah this is just an article today that reminded me of our past discussions of net neutrality by these guys is All [TS]

  times are of them. [TS]

  Ben Thompson SR to carry guy or Esther tech or if you've given up on Saturday but I still extra to carry it. [TS]

  It's about neutrality and touches on some. [TS]

  Other things we mentioned in the last show about how there are tech companies that are lobbying Washington for their [TS]

  interests and then debate and then there are the I S P's [TS]

  and all the other companies lobbying on the other side of this [TS]

  and they're spending way more money than the tech companies [TS]

  and it's article basically says that we shouldn't all be as cynical as we are about making changes. [TS]

  Don't assume oh we're never going to win over never because if we do that it's a self filling prophecy [TS]

  and I don't want to ruin the whole arc of this article kind of short [TS]

  but you should if you read it he describes his personal experiences [TS]

  and he said how he says despite his personal experience this is important for all of us in the tech community not to [TS]

  give up on this not to be like well you know nothing's ever going to change so why bother. [TS]

  And particularly how it's a phenomenon of us doing that. [TS]

  Well another is going to change why bother and then waiting for some terrible bill to come up over [TS]

  and some terrible thing to be proposed then everyone gets angry all the sudden on the Internet [TS]

  and like fills out this little petition forms [TS]

  and I do this as well like you know this tries to rally people on Twitter and use hashtags and do whatever you can [TS]

  and write your congressperson and call them to try to stop whatever is like as a last minute write [TS]

  and comparison is like that's what we're doing [TS]

  and the other people have been lobbying Washington steadily for ten years [TS]

  and so our strategy of waiting to the last minute and get all angry it becomes less [TS]

  and less effective as everyone gets bored of our anger. [TS]

  You know so I I mean I'm I'm actually even a little bit more cynical than this article in that I think that even if we [TS]

  all have the right attitude the bottom line is if we don't have the same number zero as before the decimal point [TS]

  and the amount of money that was very important and it doesn't really matter. [TS]

  So maybe that's the theory of the next little cynicism that he has to take me out of [TS]

  but I thought it was a good article I think everyone should read it. I will put in the shots. [TS]

  All right so something we didn't get a chance to. [TS]

  Talk about last week and perhaps even a week or two before that is that Nintendo is not having a good time. Yeah. [TS]

  This keeps floating around the notes I don't know if there's that much to add I mean I think the reason I went there is [TS]

  because they announced some financial results which were bad [TS]

  and they made some projections about how many we you can sort of think you're going to sell this year [TS]

  and it's not a lot. [TS]

  And that's causing everyone to think about and again [TS]

  and I don't think anything has changed other than knowing now that the things that Nintendo has tried to do [TS]

  and seems to be trying to do aren't working early start working yet I wrote something about this on have a kind of a [TS]

  like oh a while back about intended in crisis. [TS]

  I went back and we read that and I think it basically that's still my opinion it doesn't. [TS]

  The thing is change the content has the ability to get themselves out of the funk that they're in because the whole [TS]

  thing was based on a premise that if if there's no longer a market for devices that mostly play games then tend to a [TS]

  screwed but if there is a market for devices the mostly play games then they have a chance. [TS]

  And so there definitely is a market for the things that just play games because the Playstation for a song like crazy [TS]

  and I want to. [TS]

  So I'm pretty well as well though they're kind of changing their strategy to try to keep up with the Playstation four [TS]

  and even the three D.S. [TS]

  Isn't doing that terribly but that we use doing terribly [TS]

  but anyway the point is that it's not as if no one is buying things that mostly play games people are still buying them. [TS]

  It's still a big market. [TS]

  Intent has the ability to get themselves out of their current crisis [TS]

  but it's not doing it so that you know you're necessary [TS]

  but not sufficient again as a precondition for them getting out. [TS]

  And so the question is what do they do at this point that they just keep trying to release games so that we hope that [TS]

  some game catches on if you buy them like they're kind of in the classic death spiral where they don't sell a lot of [TS]

  consuls which means that third party developers aren't going to bother making a game games for it because that. [TS]

  If you sold two hundred percent of we you owners which are never going to do there would still be a small number. [TS]

  And because there's no third party games people have less and less reason to buy or where you are [TS]

  and just goes down down down. So I don't know what they can or should do Mary card it's coming out soon. [TS]

  America is getting great reviews Everett says is a great game. Is that going to sell more. [TS]

  You consul's Probably not I mean the same choice they have before either to make games that make people buy where you [TS]

  cancelled and if you if third parties want do what you gotta do yourself [TS]

  or figure out what your next thing is I think and then to know has enough money and stamina [TS]

  and corporate will to weather the storm of the terrible E.U. [TS]

  Sales and figure what they're going to do next [TS]

  and hopefully hopefully by the time they make their next move within the next console [TS]

  or a vision of that we were never we haven't passed through the period of time during which game mostly our game only [TS]

  hardware is something that people want to buy. [TS]

  So if you were Nintendo What would you do if I go back in time to a time machine and if you took over today [TS]

  and you had enough political power to to push through any change or initiative you wanted to. What would you do. [TS]

  I will start working on my next console which will be comparable in power to the competitive councils [TS]

  and I would do basically what Sony did this generation which is look at what you did in the past generation [TS]

  and whatever [TS]

  and hated you for what developers are pissed off at you about what their partners first offered you about get all those [TS]

  people in the room have them all tell you what what you did wrong and how how your actions have hurt them [TS]

  and then sort of like an intervention and then take that information and fix all those mistakes. [TS]

  Sony did an amazing job with the Playstation foreigners a Playstation three [TS]

  and all sorts of problems it was late it was expensive it was a weird architecture. [TS]

  Third parties didn't like it you know [TS]

  and so for the Playstation four they brought all those people together to just tell us what you think we should do [TS]

  and they listen to them. [TS]

  They actually listened instead of being like Oh we know what the best thing is [TS]

  and that's one of the reasons a place has or is doing so much better and it was relatively inexpensive. [TS]

  They didn't commit a lot of money to a motion troll accessory. Dubious value like Microsoft did. [TS]

  They made the architecture is much nicer for developers. [TS]

  They worked on their tools they were nicer to third parties [TS]

  and their reward is there the clear leader in this generation of candles so intent on needs a console that is on the [TS]

  same hardware level as whatever its competitors that's going to be that's the that's the price of entry where you can [TS]

  say OK then the very least we can convince you to give us you know the next iterations all its games like you know like [TS]

  make it make it a no brainer for people to pour to you like well we're making it a cross platform game. [TS]

  It's easy enough to port and do whatever the new X.-Box is whatever the new Playstation is [TS]

  and whatever Nintendo's counselors and for two generations now they've been out of that conversation [TS]

  and they're getting farther apart a conversation whenever you're going to make a new game a game like well we're going [TS]

  to make it from Microsoft Council Sony console [TS]

  and then maybe like a year later will think about making some terrible cutdown port to go in [TS]

  and those council last generation they didn't need third party support because of the the magic of the we mode in [TS]

  waggling your wrists and we sports and all that good stuff. [TS]

  This generation they didn't pull it off their [TS]

  and their novelty with the Game Pad was not enough to get people on board in there and sort of a death spiral. [TS]

  So the next generation that I got to make competitive hardware [TS]

  and if they can't make competitive harbor this is an option for them as well they should get out of the high road is if [TS]

  they can make competitive harm [TS]

  or decide they're not going to be in the hardware business I guess they should partner with somebody like this is not [TS]

  my first choice [TS]

  but I think about this a lot like if this is not in in ten years we'll oust ever do hardware anymore you know go over [TS]

  to Sony [TS]

  and say we really like what you've done with your hardware how would you like it if we teamed up on the next console [TS]

  and made sort of a joint Sony Nintendo console we're going to there are some influence on the hardware [TS]

  and it was you know amazing great hardware that had lots of power as an expense of an innovative and maybe had a V.A.R. [TS]

  and Said over and over and then all the Nintendo franchise will be exclusively on that console. [TS]

  Again I well I don't put that as my first choice [TS]

  but I spent a lot of time thinking about it because I look at the Play Station four [TS]

  and say how great would it be if I knew that. [TS]

  Intend it was right now working on a Zelda game for that console [TS]

  and they're not the working out of the wheel which is going to be all enjoy it as well and it will be interesting [TS]

  but it's kind of a shame that they're going to be that constrained [TS]

  when the contemporary consuls have so much more power. [TS]

  So that's what I do I would get working on the next council and make it competitive. [TS]

  So if Nintendo gets in a really bad place they continue marching down the hardware path [TS]

  and that continues to go poorly and now they're legitimately starting to to you know circle the drain. [TS]

  Does Apple buy them now I have it be like terrible I would not want Apple to buy them because Apple doesn't dabble [TS]

  thought into games [TS]

  but what if they want to be you know if you can you know it's it's part of the part of your culture [TS]

  or it's not like I said Apple doesn't get games but you know it's like the what he called the terrible King [TS]

  and I think he's just not that into you. [TS]

  Apple that's one of the notes [TS]

  and I know that Apple in Game two is Just Not That Into You like good apple just not that into games like that they [TS]

  like them on the platform the fun and everything but all the other gaming companies Microsoft Sony [TS]

  and tend to have people in positions of power who are really into games who love games who live [TS]

  and breathe games like that is the same thing with any movie studio yet is going to be a bunch of bureaucrats in suits [TS]

  and movies there is this is also going to people who love movies and movie studios. [TS]

  You'd need to have that not everybody is going to be stuffed shirts now having them [TS]

  and you need to have people send them with car companies the car guys who just love cars. [TS]

  You absolutely need to have them. [TS]

  And thus far I'm not convinced there is anyone high up in any position of power that that has that passion for games at [TS]

  Apple which is fine like Apple doesn't have to be a game company but it's not. [TS]

  But I would not want them to buy Nintendo. [TS]

  Yeah I think it's pretty clear that not only does Apple not only is Apple not caring about games I don't think they [TS]

  respect games like that like I said this before long time ago but it's all just go to the quick version basically. [TS]

  Like if you look at Apple's history of how they treat games on their platforms both but on the mac [TS]

  and I alas you're on the mac to basically said we're never going to do anything they really make games easier [TS]

  or possible to bring this platform and in a competitive way. [TS]

  IOW less games came there anyway for other reasons [TS]

  and Apple found themselves in the position of all of a sudden being in or in a really pretty powerful [TS]

  and pretty important position in the in the gaming world. [TS]

  Almost accidentally [TS]

  and the way they've treated it since then has really just been kind of patronizing like Game Center is is one of the [TS]

  best examples of this [TS]

  and just like the the mediocrity of the game center is together with the design that it had first instilled with that [TS]

  in seven or to the bubbles [TS]

  and stuff like every game that I have in the game center integration it makes it worse like [TS]

  when I play the better I'll get a notification letter press and someone's moved and then I will you know swipe [TS]

  and letterpress will be the from us app like I'm not so I the only notification I'm to swiping to reveal at a press of [TS]

  the front was up and I get to there and stare at it and like oh well. [TS]

  So there was a move but I don't see yet and my solution is always you know the home button [TS]

  and then go back into letter press [TS]

  and then may do a lot of the moves like stuff like that it's like no progress indication long waiting times [TS]

  and notification comes through but the game doesn't know about it yet. [TS]

  I mean it's great that Lauren didn't have to write all this code himself [TS]

  and it probably really helped him get out a game that was popular and so it's good for developers [TS]

  but as a player I hate it when the little games and a banner comes down and causes a hitching frame rate. [TS]

  I hate it when Game Center tells me there's a move but I launch the game it doesn't show the movie me [TS]

  and I have no progress indication [TS]

  and there's so many games with integration like this that I can say well just because a developer didn't integrate with [TS]

  games that are properly it just makes games worse. [TS]

  Yeah it's always been it's been like this I get the feeling that Steve Jobs might have been like a Steve thing where [TS]

  the. [TS]

  Would use like cheesiness and kitsch to kind of patronize [TS]

  and then like to pay lip service to things they didn't really care about that that that they were being forced to [TS]

  address in some way you know [TS]

  or you know for some reason like they would try to appropriate you know the success of gaming to do their job. [TS]

  What's this fun little game center really like. Everything kind it's hell like. [TS]

  And not only was their heart not in but they don't really like it. [TS]

  And it just it I don't know if it resulted in this attitude that that was very clearly like obviously Steve doesn't [TS]

  give a crap about games and that shows in the product right [TS]

  and it seems in all the changes in Apple you know in the last few years. [TS]

  I don't I haven't seen anything during games change for the better. [TS]

  I think they're trying it's just that like they don't know the right things that it would be as if the music [TS]

  application or whatever the thing that you play music on your on your i O. S. [TS]

  Device as if it had a theme like a music room and there was like a little bit tons for conducting [TS]

  and there were as you know those little musical staff and a little guy with a tuxedo as the conductor. And then like. [TS]

  And they understand they understand it so much more like it's it's not just the theme it's the idea that there needs to [TS]

  be this kind of window dressing like the games are a diversion and like you know almost every happening [TS]

  or here is the photo op is more serious like that. [TS]

  Enter Sam like photos are important things we were not going to sort of put like a weird photo theme on there [TS]

  and I was on this help of that a lot like the old ones were a little bit more skeuomorphic and everything [TS]

  but it's just the whole idea that gaming as a realm needs to have some different treatment because games are this other [TS]

  thing and no one is really seriously Indian whereas music is like oh you're really into music [TS]

  and you would never want to screw up. [TS]

  We want to show the album our day we want to have a nice efficient application because music is. [TS]

  When you write to be powerful and have you know increase the capability to get your music anywhere enjoy [TS]

  and show people enjoying it and games it's like I mean there are there are casual gaming companies that [TS]

  when they show people playing games they're like you know shaking their i Pod Touch around [TS]

  and some kid is playing some little game well look at that car room room [TS]

  but Game Center itself doesn't doesn't acknowledge how serious and one important part of people why that's not right. [TS]

  I think i Books kind of an acknowledge how important books are in people's lives because they're kind of like a little [TS]

  bit of that with the old version of I look any way a little bit of the you have to feel like you're in an old musty [TS]

  library or the wise books on count one [TS]

  and you know it's Game Center it's very much about compartmentalization it's like let's let's take this world of games [TS]

  that's happening all around us accidentally and we're going to we're going to clean all this mess up [TS]

  and just kind of show in this drawer over here that all you game think you can stay in here we don't really want you to [TS]

  you know seep out. Same thing with NEWSSTAND. [TS]

  NEWSSTAND is exactly in the same position if not even worse because you know it's you know Apple's like OK well we have [TS]

  this you know we will benefit of magazine and newspaper people but make their apps here instead of making websites [TS]

  and you know will benefit from that and [TS]

  and you know we want to we want to like you know look good for our platforms we're going to make this little news stand [TS]

  there is exactly the same thing like this like this like cheesy kitschy like condescending skeuomorphic ism that [TS]

  started out you know in previous versions [TS]

  and then in seven it really didn't get a lot better it just it actually in many ways NEWSSTAND is significantly worse [TS]

  and I and just you know that there's no more wouldn't shelves but it's now it's like even more invisible [TS]

  and you know what. [TS]

  And it's like Apple just like takes the things that they don't want to really see that they don't want to to be [TS]

  prominent and creates areas for them to be segregated and tucked away and hidden. [TS]

  Because they don't you know to them it's like this is the slick sloppy dirty juvenile or you know evil world of games [TS]

  or magazines respectively. Yeah and I was not. [TS]

  It is a platform for certain kinds of games but it's not for the kinds of games the Nintendo does well [TS]

  and those are the type of games I like to play like you know console games [TS]

  and how games are games that are really deep really rich that after sickle controls that you know [TS]

  and the arguments me may be a separate thing entirely because that's the industry is to experimenting with the are now. [TS]

  And Sony's got their own headset coming out [TS]

  and intend could possibly do something interesting in that direction we don't know how well that's going to work out. [TS]

  Is Apple going to have headset support for as I was. [TS]

  Maybe they will maybe that'll be the way you know games are going to do that [TS]

  but for now all eyes games are things where you tell your device you touch your screen [TS]

  and that is a fairly narrow range of things [TS]

  and the games that have traditionally been attendance on the market all platforms are still really popular Just look at [TS]

  the sales numbers or the Playstation four X. [TS]

  Box One people still want to play them [TS]

  and you can't play them on i OS devices so it's like why should Apple be interested in getting that serious about games [TS]

  when it doesn't have a hardware platform you can play them on. [TS]

  I mean someday if they wake up in the side turn Apple T.V. [TS]

  Into the M Council maybe they will have something going on there but that hasn't happened so far. [TS]

  Well even like last year they added the the game controller framework Tyla seven which lets other. [TS]

  It's like they they could have just like gone the extra step made their own official controller attachment for their i [TS]

  Phones or and i Pod touch is like why didn't they do that [TS]

  and the answer I think is because they just don't care that much or they weren't that confident the idea [TS]

  or you know whatever the case may be they didn't want to bother with that they didn't want to like tarnish their [TS]

  product line with his Cheel game controller attachment they want. OK we'll we will make an A.P.I. [TS]

  That will of course you know if you want to make your own you can and of course you have to pay us to make your own. [TS]

  But that's another thing entirely and of course the reality which anybody could told them. [TS]

  Anybody who has ever played video games ever in their life could have told them if the first party vendor doesn't have [TS]

  like an official hardware add on nobody will buy it. [TS]

  Even official hardware add ons like the connector like Usually those fail like that like you know there was like the [TS]

  like was touted as the third to excell Sega CD The Jaguar CD attachment the turbo graphics CD attachment all these like [TS]

  all these hardware add on things in the old console world that almost all failed. Well not all of them. [TS]

  The little most memos the memory pack for the nine hundred sixty four effort without all that came with Perfect Dark. [TS]

  Yeah but they bundled over the game [TS]

  and the same thing with a rumble back then bonnet bun bun over Starfox the like I mean even the connect the connector [TS]

  you know the original connect that had a pretty pretty good sell through for peripherals like people made gains the [TS]

  support of the Connect which is fairly unprecedented like you know that was remarkable and very unusual [TS]

  and what it was you know third like dance games [TS]

  and stuff that you couldn't do without the connect they weren't bundled with the connect you have to buy to connect [TS]

  them by that a lot of people were like I think Apple would be overjoyed if I can crawl out of there. [TS]

  But anyway it would be Have you ever seen anyone using one of those controllers that had shown I was I was I've still [TS]

  never seen one in the wild and so that makes me think that they're not selling a lot of those devices [TS]

  and the long games that like require them [TS]

  or take advantage of them like none of those are really like I don't even know if it's financially feasible to make a [TS]

  high quality game and say oh by the way to play this game you need to have a controller accessory [TS]

  and then the other problem is the economics of the App Store are such that I mean there's lots of that could be a whole [TS]

  a whole show of discussing the problems of economics in the App Store for developers [TS]

  but in this particular area one of the problems is if you make a game that requires a gamepad. [TS]

  You've cut down your market size so substantially that you know I suppose one percent of of i Phone sold in the past [TS]

  year. You know one percent of those have also bought the pads. That's probably extremely optimistic. [TS]

  But the numbers nowhere near that. [TS]

  But let's say it was one percent well that means you're also cutting your audience down you know by ninety nine percent [TS]

  by making it requires it in a market where the only way to make any money at all is through massive volume. [TS]

  That's that's a terrible it's a terrible situation it's never going to catch on. [TS]

  It reminds me of the other story that I learned to really know if you have heard about that Microsoft has unbundle at [TS]

  making a version of the X. Box One that you can buy without the connector. [TS]

  Yeah I've heard that and that's kind of a shame [TS]

  but it's kind of a man in the face of Sony's sales I guess they thought they had to do something I believe they're [TS]

  still keeping the skews that have a bundle but they want to make a cheaper one without it. [TS]

  Bottom line is not a lot of games are coming out that require the connect that are compelling enough for someone to [TS]

  want to pay an extra hundred dollars for the council. [TS]

  They're like all right well here's a version of us shave some money off the price. [TS]

  You don't have to buy the connect with it [TS]

  and it's kind of a shame because I think that the Connect was an interesting idea I think the second version of it is [TS]

  way better than the first [TS]

  and you could do interesting things with it it's just that because they are selling so much fewer consuls than Sony is [TS]

  they feel like they have to make this move [TS]

  and it's really like I don't I don't know how I feel about it because in many respects like if they had just launched [TS]

  in every country instead of launching in Sony's away more countries now I think think Microsoft like thirteen [TS]

  and something like fifty or something like that. [TS]

  If they roll out to be an equal geographically maybe the race would have been closer in terms of sales numbers [TS]

  and they could have stayed the course but instead because they're behind they they want to have a way to catch up. [TS]

  But once you open that door once you say that. Possible is any X. Box one out there without the connect. [TS]

  Forget about in this generation having some game that some of going to tons [TS]

  and tons of money behind that's going to be like a tractor that pulls you know that shows everyone how amazing the [TS]

  connectors because like Marco said Now all of a sudden you have to look at the ratio used to be. [TS]

  I could sell it to one hundred percent of the X. [TS]

  Box One market if I may to connect him [TS]

  and I was like most ninety nine percent ninety eight percent ninety seven like depending on how that's Q. [TS]

  Sells without the connect the numbers probably is going to go down and down and so [TS]

  and also in the console world it's very important to be cross-platform. [TS]

  You know these games having such massive budgets to be competitive. If you can't be on Playstation and X. [TS]

  Box It's going to hurt pretty big time. That's going to hurt a lot. [TS]

  Well they can I damn sure are trying to be the exclusives like you know yeah of course you can pour the same please no [TS]

  one else has the amazing connection same thing with Sony was V.R. [TS]

  If Microsoft doesn't have a V R headset and Sony does Sony gotta get people to make our games [TS]

  or ports the airports of games and those are not going to be able to be on the Microsoft counts on the Sony. [TS]

  Again if you sell the most hardware you're in the power positions like who cares if you can put your game on my cars [TS]

  are going to turn those consuls we had sold X. Number of million councils you're doing fine. [TS]

  Nintendo can't even get those people answer their calls [TS]

  and Microsoft tries to make that same argument for the connectivity like we look at how well connected himself [TS]

  and to the previous generation and the current plan [TS]

  and it's not just about addressable market it's about the fact that no one has found a way to make a game that will [TS]

  sell millions of copies for you know they can act like I hope Microsoft keeps trying. [TS]

  I hope what they've done can combine with the our stuff can combine with the Game Pad stuff. [TS]

  The Nintendo's done like they're the makings of a great next generation gaming experiences down the line with old [TS]

  technology that everyone has experimented with in the past two generations. [TS]

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  Thanks a lot to hover for sponsoring our show once again so we should probably talk about things that are probably [TS]

  going to happen during W.D.C. [TS]

  You know there's going to be there's going to be Odwalla Marco's going to complain about the fact that Odwalla has [TS]

  bananas and almost all of them. Now do you think they're going to bring back my flavor. [TS]

  All I care about is that there's mango tango. If there's maggots and go on happy that's all I care about. [TS]

  We had a very interesting email a little over ten days ago [TS]

  and it was an anonymous email that that one via the feedback form and the message is I was a wishlist. [TS]

  Yes And then there's a series of items maybe and a series of items this person did not specify who they are. [TS]

  Didn't specify if they're knowledgeable about anything. [TS]

  Didn't specify any really anything at all other than to say that they need to be anonymous for now. [TS]

  It said anon for now. So it basically has no credibility. However I think it's an interesting list. Agreed and so what. [TS]

  Thought I do is kind of start calling out the items on this list [TS]

  and we'll talk about the ones that we think are worth not worth talking about [TS]

  and then we'll just blow by the ones that we don't think are very interesting. [TS]

  So with that in mind in the yes column health book monitor heart rate [TS]

  and the ode to level I'm not sure why it's VO to I'm assuming it's auction level isn't a virtue unless unless it was a [TS]

  fat fingered C O two level anyway. Hydration levels sleep in steps. [TS]

  What do you think I mean I think there's been enough smoke around the health book thing that it's probably correct. [TS]

  I agree you know the details of which things are included I mean steps [TS]

  and sleep can both be tracked by motion that's easy you know hydration hydration to a heart rate that would require [TS]

  some kind of extra sensor that we don't know about yet. [TS]

  So that's that's probably a question mark [TS]

  or maybe not we know about it it's going to be the ear buds that I know I know I'm kidding as opposed to this e-mail [TS]

  which is in fact a lease or if there's a random person to type things into a feedback for. [TS]

  Yeah exactly that for the record I was kidding [TS]

  and you know it's funny because I would say the health book thing is plausible. [TS]

  The details of it we don't really know for sure but it's certainly plausible to talk about that [TS]

  and to think how one of their strategies to get them out of the funk was going to be health related apps which seems to [TS]

  be everyone seems to be doing this these days the fact that we have the knowledge of the networking [TS]

  and the last piece we need is the sensors [TS]

  and Fitbit has been sort of the spearhead into this into health monitoring for individuals it seems to be reasonably [TS]

  popular and have positive results are people so Apple getting into it doesn't surprise me [TS]

  and of course of all seeing all the screenshots of the health book looking appen stuff. [TS]

  This is just an I with a wish list so we can talk about whether Apple's going to have a device like this where they're [TS]

  going to launch this kind of like the M seven without any. [TS]

  Accompanying hardware it's like Oh well our phone has this they need the eyes and so on and so forth [TS]

  and third parties will make sensors for it or they can integrate with the i Watch later or you know [TS]

  but I think it's a pretty sure bet that some health monitoring stuff is going to be in Iowa state software wise. [TS]

  I agree and I'm very curious to see what sensors if any will be provided for this [TS]

  and by the way real time follow up V O two is apparently a Robet capacity Thank you Katie Healy friend of the show of [TS]

  it's for volume right so thank thank you Katie Healy. Next transit in maps in the maps app in the Apple Maps app. [TS]

  I would suspect this would be something they would do because they got being done [TS]

  or that they continually getting done it but I think we talked about maybe it wasn't us [TS]

  but somebody talked about on the podcast I was into about how hard that is because to normalize all this disparate data [TS]

  across a gazillion cities across the planet is not an easy task [TS]

  and given that Apple does so well with normalizing all the data on their maps themselves. [TS]

  Really too confident they're going to get this right but it seems plausible. [TS]

  I think that's something that they want to do whether they are ready in time like I think they're more cautious about [TS]

  rolling out something half baked at this point but specially in maps. [TS]

  Yeah on the on the maps effort Apple seems committed and they did not have a good initial showing [TS]

  and hopefully they're learning that the only way to do this is to do a Google does. [TS]

  You're not well in the ocean but you're blowing pretty darn big lake [TS]

  and that's where they have to end up doing you've got to put bodies in the ground you've got to put resources towards [TS]

  this. It's a super big pain. You can't half ass it you got it. There's no there's no shortcut. [TS]

  So and the trans is like oh the shortcut will be just have third parties do is a third party opportunity [TS]

  and people like No we don't like that shortcut. Google has strengths. You don't you suck so. So I really hope. [TS]

  That this is true that they're working on transit. [TS]

  As for whether it's ready in time for it to see an ounce meant I'm not sure yet on device Siri that I would love to see [TS]

  that so I assume what that what this means is that the dictation would take place on the device which Android [TS]

  and Windows Phone already do and so do Macs actually [TS]

  and just not I was devices yet there's still no way to do it in Iowa. [TS]

  That's right as far as I know however isn't the download on O. S. [TS]

  Ten something like a little shy of a gig Yes like a hundred megs so given that Apple is ridiculously obsessed with [TS]

  continuing to offer eight [TS]

  and sixteen gig devices really I mean that seems like that be a lot of space to take up on some devices that really [TS]

  don't have enough space. [TS]

  Well it would probably be an optional download [TS]

  and just like that it just like it is a mac because I like how many people actually would would care enough to use that. [TS]

  Probably probably a minority [TS]

  but for those people it would be really nice to have you can need to concentrate on getting their server side [TS]

  implementation up to snuff before worrying about adding another embolization to the mix. [TS]

  Like the problem a series not that O. Does everything of the Never. [TS]

  Because for from people like that the size of data that is transfer is not that big as the server is going to be [TS]

  responsive. They have to be available they have to respond quickly you can't you know talk. [TS]

  Record something sent to the server wait [TS]

  and get a response to say oh yeah forget it we can talk to the server sorry about that try again later. [TS]

  Like that is unacceptable [TS]

  and so I don't think that experience of going to a server it would be all that terrible if it just worked reliably [TS]

  and quickly. [TS]

  So hopefully that's where they're concentrating their effort I don't use Syrian have to know whether it's getting worse [TS]

  or better or whatever but any time that fails for one of those. [TS]

  Yeah you said a bunch of stuff and we recorded it but we couldn't connect the dots. [TS]

  Yeah I know you have a net connection just didn't work out sorry. [TS]

  Any time that happens is bogus and I'm not ready for them to say well actually we have a second implication. [TS]

  All on device and you know I do worry about the network in just the way about memory usage and storage area [TS]

  and whether this on device thing works against another area where Google's had a Google has on device stuff working [TS]

  and their servers respond faster. So this list reads more like a list of areas where Apple needs to improve. [TS]

  I guess as a wishlist like every area where the need to improve. [TS]

  They should improve in all those areas but by that I don't see them going for on device Siri. [TS]

  I would rather see them address the server side stuff because I don't think it's that crazy for phones anyway. [TS]

  That aside yes it's also so I don't worry about it it's you know we'll get the data through it's not a lot of data. [TS]

  We'll just make sure our servers are all available on fast. Yeah I mean it's really it would be nice. [TS]

  I mean I would prefer they dig us both really having having on device dictation like you know have the servers still do [TS]

  the smarts of like OK we know what you said [TS]

  but then what do you mean by that like that's that's obviously an area where the server side of the structure could [TS]

  benefit a lot from from continue to be server side with those resources [TS]

  and with you know just updating the information that it has and and learning and stuff like that [TS]

  and that's that's very much like a big data problem then you begin to do it the actual dictation while dictation does [TS]

  benefit from the big data approach you can also do a pretty good job just having something local. [TS]

  As you know by using using all the Dragon stuff. Yeah. [TS]

  Any more RAM for that as I think as you point out like that's hardware wise I mean the excuse is always been well more [TS]

  RAM requires more power and it's a bad thing and blah blah blah [TS]

  but she's like forget about the storage would have already complained about sixteen thirty two sixty four eternal [TS]

  Trinity. [TS]

  You've already got around these devices you got like people it's just sun acceptable one gigabyte is not enough. [TS]

  And so having more RAM and they can deal with the battery stuff. [TS]

  I think that would open the door for on device we're talking about one device like I'll just figure out the. [TS]

  The text version of what you said and it's an attack stuck to a server which is even lower bandwidth [TS]

  and it can do the smart stuff figuring out what you mean by those words right next notification center revamp more [TS]

  cereal like Google Now and less a list of notifications. Boy I would hate this. [TS]

  So where does the list not of patients go. Yeah agreed. [TS]

  The last thing that a vacation center needs is for Apple to be more clever about it. [TS]

  They need to become less clever about it simplify it just give me a a just straight list of notifications would be [TS]

  better than what it is now without the confusing like all vs missed and then something's going to disappear forever. [TS]

  No you don't know how many times does a notification appear on your device and you do so whatever the wrong thing is [TS]

  and you say what did the notification say again like oh sorry sucker you're never to see that again. [TS]

  Try to find the notes because there are no is it in Mr No he didn't miss it you saw it [TS]

  and then it went away you know it's not they can be clever [TS]

  but try to explain to somebody like I saw a word appear on my screen but now it's gone where is it [TS]

  and it's a hard problem like I you know it's trying to be smart about it like I just think they can it can't be done [TS]

  well it's the kind of thing that it sounds cool on paper it'll make for an interesting keynote as you know as you see [TS]

  with things like Google now [TS]

  and with Cortana like you see the other platforms doing this in practice it's really hard to make that right all the [TS]

  time it's you know the classic AI problem is like it tries to be smart [TS]

  but a lot of times that that's not really what you wanted and it's very frustrating [TS]

  and it's transparently against notification overload because if you did just do the dumb linear list like a very close [TS]

  this would be crazy [TS]

  and people would start ignoring it like they're trying to strike a balance between just show you what's important [TS]

  and get rid of it when you've already seen it [TS]

  and don't ever present like this humongous list that you have to scroll through to look because sometimes you look at a [TS]

  lot of notifications and like that that's how I would do that. [TS]

  Like if you look on the mac on Anakin of Haitian center it groups by application similar I.O.'s [TS]

  but like they can just stick around forever until you can. [TS]

  It's very annoying actually and you can kind of see like OK well that's that's one approach that's kind of weird. [TS]

  I think what would actually be best if unification center to just be one combined timeline of notification so that [TS]

  whatever order you receive them whatever order you saw them in on the lock screen whatever order they came in there's a [TS]

  list that shows those same ones in that same order and maybe has a blue dot next to them right ones [TS]

  but they're still there even after they're read they're still on the list. [TS]

  I don't see I don't I can't come up with any better alternative that's better all around. [TS]

  Every every When you come up with like well it's good for this use case but it's bad for these three use cases [TS]

  and it's if you just give it one big list. I think that's probably the least crappy option. [TS]

  I think they need to have that thing you're describing accessible somehow I'm not sure I need to be the thing in [TS]

  people's faces but we're like oh you need like streams [TS]

  or like streams that was a big trend back in the whatever ninety's maybe two to conceptualize. I once met a blogger. [TS]

  Your use of a computer. It was so weird. [TS]

  By time rather than by file name or application or project or anything like that so that anything you've seen [TS]

  or done on your computer you just scroll back through time was kind of like The Time Machine U.I. [TS]

  But you know it's just cross cutting across everything like web pages you've seen e-mail that you've read things that [TS]

  messages that you've sent and you can just go throw back your time and see things that way [TS]

  and what you're talking about is a sort of Lifestream view of your interaction with notifications [TS]

  and I think that should be accessible because if you can find some things I'll just go back to [TS]

  or whatever they'd come up with some buzzwords or hell they can call I stand there on it and hears everything [TS]

  and just go back to it and you will see the events of the day as then folded. [TS]

  This is when the message came in and then you read it and then you know you replied and you did this you know like [TS]

  but I don't know if that needs to be the thing in the person's face because with the trying to do is make it so you [TS]

  don't feel overwhelmed by notifications by making them go. [TS]

  No way that's why they have the Miss thing in the all thing [TS]

  and I think that does make for a better experience in till like the like O. [TS]

  One of the things say let me just go to the life stream and look at it shouldn't they lived in with a terrible name [TS]

  but wealthy caught. [TS]

  But that's what that's how people use text messages all the time [TS]

  and it's fine like text messages are one giant chronological list totally unsorted just you know just by time [TS]

  but it's by person by person though that oh yeah OK that's fair. [TS]

  But still going to so many people who like they need to get a piece of information out of the text messages like it [TS]

  that's the only place it lives and they just they can just scroll up [TS]

  and just keep going they know roughly where it is and then they eventually find [TS]

  and that's like three divisive messages. Well yeah but the other category and they're right. [TS]

  So it's growing in the middle of only applicants so those things in the cloud and [TS]

  when you scroll that we just pull those messages down and you know their dream right. [TS]

  Look at their notification center and i Cloud clearing notifications across mac i Phone [TS]

  and i Pad I will say that for my messages I think it's a little too quick to fall back to my other devices. [TS]

  But in the last couple of months maybe even more than that if I'm in the midst of a conversation on one of my devices [TS]

  the other devices oftentimes will receive that same new text message but generally speaking nothing does any beeping [TS]

  or bombing or vibrating [TS]

  or anything like that unless the I miss let's assume I'm on my mac unless I haven't acknowledged that new text message [TS]

  on my mac for like ten [TS]

  or fifteen seconds now I think there should be a slightly longer grace period than that because sometimes I'm [TS]

  especially on my mac Anyway I'm looking at another window or whatever the case may be [TS]

  and I haven't clicked back to the messages window [TS]

  but messages has actually been working pretty well for me in this sense [TS]

  but I agree that in every other capacity it would be kind of new. [TS]

  To have one unified no unified timeline actually make your grace periods [TS]

  when we're feeling the mine with mine like if I'm talking to you via over I message [TS]

  and if if the if the messages window is not my front most window at the moment that comes in. [TS]

  It vibrates a moment of ISIS. I get zero grace period. [TS]

  This thing reads even more like a wish list item of like here's a problem I encounter using Apple's cloud services on [TS]

  multiple devices and I want to fix it [TS]

  but I don't have any I don't have anything to say other than it should do what I mean all the time [TS]

  and I conceptually we talk about the spend messages first came out and I messages first came out. [TS]

  It's actually the thing that Apple is missing is presence awareness. [TS]

  Like figuring out where you are [TS]

  and what you're doing because if they can have a concept the concept of presence defined A.P.I. [TS]

  Wise so that so that each individual app isn't like doing its own crazy juristic like there was a framework for [TS]

  presence and an awareness of where you are and what device you're near and what you're using [TS]

  or whatever then they could just make him prove that framework over time [TS]

  and applications that use that framework would do the right thing in clearing. [TS]

  Initially Apple's own I could be a private framework probably for a couple releases [TS]

  and who knows maybe they have a framework that supposed to do that [TS]

  but it seems crappy like we're all talking about situations where because your messages window is hidden [TS]

  or because it was it was in the front but you were looking in a different window. [TS]

  It didn't go off on your i was device then you may have. I have better luck getting messages in the web interface to G. [TS]

  Mail you know the little chat messages that come up. [TS]

  I have missed fewer of those than I have missed I messages from my wife likes to send them from her phone [TS]

  and I'll get the first one out of the caisson center and a quick on and a lot of messages and I conversed with her [TS]

  and then I'll go do something else and another one will come in messages and I won't notice [TS]

  and if you like what injury spawn of that one I didn't see it on my device because it wasn't there his message is open [TS]

  and want to me to say I was there [TS]

  but it didn't even like about the icon wanted something like It's not they have they don't have it yet so I think they [TS]

  have a long way to go there. Think this item for Iowa State Iowa say will fix this. [TS]

  Well not inquire not wrong unless it has a cooperation with the new version of R.S. [TS]

  Ten and all sorts of other things and this is just you know. [TS]

  Yes I would like this to make it so but it's not it's a benefit of more than a simple invasion. [TS]

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  Thanks for continuing this list that at this point absolutely confirms that it's a wish list [TS]

  and not a birdie telling us something they know. [TS]

  Unlimited photo stream and unlimited just like unlimited bandwidth from eight hundred eighty. [TS]

  Everything in tech that claims to be unlimited that's always true right. Totally. [TS]

  Well I think sometimes like think about it. Back place for instance. [TS]

  Yeah that's they actually manage to do it they say it's unlimited. [TS]

  Maybe it's not maybe if I had like three hundred terabytes a song come to my house and talk to him personally [TS]

  but so far like I have multiple I have multiple terabytes there I mean maybe they're relying on the fact the you can't [TS]

  upload like the I.S.P. [TS]

  Is you know how long would it take you to upload like a petabyte of data it's like you know it would take a long time [TS]

  but so far I haven't had a back with me [TS]

  but it's probably also like use like the law of averages like my mom's computer. [TS]

  I back up everything I possibly can back up from that. [TS]

  It's thirty seven gigs like it's like I'm paying the same for thirty seven gigs they're paying for want to have [TS]

  terabyte on my desktop for the stream they don't have that same van though because I think people just keep taking [TS]

  photos their whole life and [TS]

  and they you know it's not like the data there's some turnover like you know you're going to I don't know with [TS]

  turnovers and data they had maybe people delete their email after time [TS]

  or I just feel like a grows nearly like maybe people aren't putting their photos and into Photoshop or whatever anyway. [TS]

  Unlimited [TS]

  or not yes we all want photo stream to be better we had many bad shows about describing how frustrating it is that [TS]

  every picks gone everything that Apple in taking up the baton [TS]

  and saying Don't worry you know how many pictures you take we'll take care of keeping them safe for a fee for not a fee [TS]

  like these give us an option at this point your options are not. [TS]

  Great and no one company is ready to take care of your photos forever or even try to make that promise. [TS]

  I really think this is the kind of am and you know we've talked at length about this. [TS]

  The prompt has talked at length about this even more so than us I think which is saying a lot. [TS]

  I think this is one of those things like Apple has to be the one to offer the photo solution finally leads [TS]

  and it doesn't mean they will. [TS]

  I actually am not that confident they will but I think I think that's what needs to happen long term. [TS]

  I really do and there are so many question marks about how they would do that and if they would do that [TS]

  and how they could pay for that. [TS]

  To me I think the biggest question mark is still video what do you do with video [TS]

  and the answer is probably just a minute from photo stream [TS]

  or severely down sample it so it fits within like the one minute sending limit stuff like that. [TS]

  But overall I just think like if you look at how people actually use these devices [TS]

  and what people's expectations of their data [TS]

  and its safety actually are I don't see any other solution that would actually be a good long term. [TS]

  Apples have to do it and they have to find a way to to do it and pay for it and [TS]

  and you know there are there are some shortcuts they can take that could substantially cut down on the cost in data [TS]

  volume like for instance just don't store you know obviously don't support Ra's [TS]

  and stuff from desktops just don't store the full quality. [TS]

  Like if you if they store every picture quality forty of almost nobody will ever be able to tell I don't like that I [TS]

  don't need to store the for quality [TS]

  when I wasn't really solving the problem I don't want crappy quality versions of the pictures [TS]

  and I can say that oh don't worry your all your devices went up in smoke in your house burned down [TS]

  but we've got a really crappy call you have it's not like they were. [TS]

  Now there's a there's a lot of headroom in the Jeep for I like it for goodness sake herders there is a ton of headroom [TS]

  you can get the quality down really small like you know not you know you're not going to bring a full you know folks. [TS]

  Hammer size picture down to you know sixty killed by its or anything [TS]

  but you can bring it down from you know what's what's what's in and what's a payoff [TS]

  and i Phone work these days like three and a half [TS]

  or five megs only that somewhere around there you could easily bring it down to one meg or less and be very. [TS]

  And be transparent almost anybody you know just like you can on a CD. Yeah you can. [TS]

  And I don't like that I don't like the solution I think I think that I think they should take Ra's that is going to [TS]

  figure out the economics like this is something that I think people will be willing to pay for as long as it's [TS]

  reasonable and I think with five dollar unlimited backup it shows that you know it's with Bill [TS]

  and it's going to get more and more reasonable over time because voters are not getting bigger. [TS]

  At the same rate that storage is getting cheaper at this point. [TS]

  I think so hopefully this will solve of actually a more realistic wishlist item for this would be what we also talked [TS]

  about is for i Cloud backups. [TS]

  You know a lot of these allow it to match the size of the device for a reasonable price instead of being though you get [TS]

  a little bit free and we nickel and dime you [TS]

  and if you buy another device so you don't get any additional storage interest if you pay more it would be nicer if [TS]

  they sort of rewarded their good customers who buy the biggest devices to buy lots of devices by making each additional [TS]

  purchase help you towards I climb back up for them you know what we really need is if Apple [TS]

  and I don't think they'd ever do it [TS]

  but did a unified backup solution so you've got backups of your i Devices as big as they are used much as you want. [TS]

  You know Time Machine now can refer to either a local drive and or the Apple you know Mobile Me cloud [TS]

  or something like that. Photo stream goes on either forever more or considerably longer than it does right now. [TS]

  I just I could just see how that would be so awesome and I would pay so much money. [TS]

  To just be able to in one place or pay one entity to make all of these backup problems go away. [TS]

  All right next on the wish list is auto downloading and updating i O. S. [TS]

  I don't see how that would really be feasible without Doesn't it already I don't download it. [TS]

  Yeah this is like auto updating. [TS]

  Well here's here's one problem when like my mom can't upgrade i OS seven yet isn't a free space [TS]

  and it needs like you know eight hundred megs on and she doesn't have that [TS]

  and what I have to tell her to get that is well if you want to do that you have to like delete all your photos [TS]

  basically killing eight gig i Phone four is like no space on there then this is the one that you told her expressly not [TS]

  to buy. Yes it is. Have you reminded her of that fact. Every time I see her. [TS]

  And how is that going over for you know it's starting to not go over that well anymore. [TS]

  Yeah yeah it's an eight gig i Phone four so it's the best of everything. [TS]

  Anyway so I don't see that as an that's impossible. [TS]

  It would it would anger so many people to have their phones automatically update to like a major Oh S. [TS]

  Really everything. [TS]

  Imagine if i OS seven was an automatic hit like not to the meltdown of the if it just automatically installed [TS]

  or your phone is charging one night I think that's coming just not in Iowa state the distant future. [TS]

  The infinite version. Jeff I would blog post Chrome is already auto updating you have no choice. [TS]

  No Jeff Atwood thing is it's going to be written in Java Script now [TS]

  or not that the other wrote a blog post about it called the internet version about the trend of software that was [TS]

  dubbed it self and you just accept it because the way it works now [TS]

  and that's the way you know that's a totally apple know when that day comes. [TS]

  It would happen and you just deal with it you know I mean as it happened. Web Apps but people get pretty angry at that. [TS]

  So like any time Facebook ever changes anything like half the world explode I think they can make. [TS]

  The default and people would just accept it like you know it and maybe that I ready for [TS]

  and I say they don't think this is going to happen and I say it but you know I was fifteen I would bet on it. [TS]

  All right. Separate game store from App Store. I would love that. [TS]

  I think you'd be nice some of you know happen like because if you if you look at the App Store now and yeah I agree. [TS]

  I don't think of the chance of it happening. [TS]

  I just wish it would happen because generally speaking I think if your browsing the App Store you probably have you [TS]

  probably have one of those things in mind like looking for a game right now [TS]

  or be looking for something else something non-game. [TS]

  What that would do to have store browsing would be pretty substantial and it wouldn't all be good [TS]

  but I think it would be a net [TS]

  when you know if you think about it if games had their own top charts assuming Apple's going to keep the top chart [TS]

  which I still think they shouldn't. [TS]

  I think the the top apps ranking lists are very destructive to quality of software and economics and so many things. [TS]

  I think they're very very bad for a lot. [TS]

  But Apple seems seems to be pretty committed to keeping them by their inaction so assuming they're going to keep the [TS]

  the topless in the store having games have their own complete topless like not just this one category with this little [TS]

  subcategories in the in the real app store have it. [TS]

  If you give it like it's own entire store [TS]

  and then it has a completely different standard for like editorial you know what's new in the [TS]

  or the the topless all that stuff. [TS]

  It will have and to have more granular categories not they would [TS]

  but it be nice if they would stuff like that that would be great. [TS]

  And then in the in the newly separated app store with no games in it it would be a lot easier to find apps because you [TS]

  wouldn't have all the charts and lists and features because of games. [TS]

  The problem I think is that first of all very few people can you know relatively speaking. [TS]

  Most people just visit the game store in the App Store would be pretty pretty abandoned by by most customers I think [TS]

  for casual browsing [TS]

  and that might not be a bad thing anyway because like you know how many of them are actually going to be after looking [TS]

  for a new game to play and ended up buying like your P.D.F. [TS]

  App like really like they're really having a lot of might but I don't know I would guess not. [TS]

  And then your problem would be you know how do you like how do you enforce the difference. [TS]

  Like if you're if you're an app that has like a game type element but you're a very useful productivity app. [TS]

  Also would you put yourself in the game store to get more visibility. [TS]

  What Apple does allow that how would they judge certain apps that are kind of like like kind of on the borderline [TS]

  between like is this an apparatus a game so I think overall it would it would have a few problems. [TS]

  Apple could overcome that if they wanted to [TS]

  but I just think the chance of them doing this are so low because it would be a massive change to the App Store [TS]

  and if there's one thing Apple has shown us over the last six seven years [TS]

  or however long it's been it's that they don't really care to make massive change to the App Store Whether they can't [TS]

  or they choose not to I don't know. [TS]

  But one of those things either they can choose not to and it's very very clear [TS]

  and I'm expecting no substantial changes to the App Store. [TS]

  Yeah I I don't know I feel like at some point they're going after a pisser get off the pot [TS]

  when it comes to that is not the metaphor because I mean well I'm trying to be polite [TS]

  and polite so they don't get out of trying to play fly control or get off the pot. [TS]

  Next they're they're going to do something [TS]

  and I concurred that I don't think that this is going to be the time for that for them. [TS]

  Do it [TS]

  but I just I don't I don't understand why the outward all outward indication is Apple just does not give a crap that [TS]

  all of their best of all of their best third party developers really are getting out of this enfranchise this rightward [TS]

  begetting grumbling about about the ecosystem [TS]

  and friend of the show underscore David Smith had a really really good episode of developing perspective that if we [TS]

  remember will put the show notes that it wherein he talks about kind of how the prevailing feeling in the community is [TS]

  very pessimistic and way more pessimistic than it's been in a long time [TS]

  and I agree with him completely that there's a lot of grumbling going on a lot more than usual [TS]

  and I don't know not that it all comes down to the store but you know you put a little money in everyone's pockets [TS]

  and typically everything looks a little bit better as a result. So we'll see. [TS]

  I don't know how much separating the game store from the App Store is really going to help I know it'll help make [TS]

  anything other than a game stand out a little bit more. [TS]

  But I think we've got much much bigger much more fundamental problems than that. [TS]

  I mean here's here's the problem the way I see it that if you look at the people who are actually complaining it's the [TS]

  small potatoes for the most part it's people like us. [TS]

  It's you know it's people like underscore it's people who are in like the like Apple geek blogger community. [TS]

  You know people who read they're in Fireball basically those people are complaining. [TS]

  But if you look at what's actually in the App Store all those people who are on those top lists they're probably go [TS]

  look we're fine this is great. Like our arc our community has always complain about the App Store from day one. [TS]

  They were you know we were complaining about some different things back then but it was mostly the same. [TS]

  If most of the same people. [TS]

  There's always been we've always been complaining about this and [TS]

  and if they fix some of the issues we have we will complain about different ones. [TS]

  So I don't actually think it's that different now. [TS]

  Now there's just you know some of the some of the directions that the App Store was taking at the beginning like the [TS]

  like the race to the bottom in pricing like some of those have just played out further then than they were at the [TS]

  beginning but I think for the most part the same it's the same group complaining with the same complaints [TS]

  and I don't know how much Apple cares about that because you know what I was saying earlier about how how they kind of [TS]

  you know put Game Center stuff and NEWSSTAND stuff like they put these they like in a drawer [TS]

  and just kind of forget about it. [TS]

  I think that's how they see apps like the into I think that's how they see the entire third party development community [TS]

  not quite as severely [TS]

  but the same kind of feeling where it's like we're going to have this this major community here that we kind of just we [TS]

  have to deal with them because of market forces like we we have to interact with them [TS]

  but we're going to try to compartmentalize it as much as possible and kind of patronize it to the degree we have to [TS]

  and just kind of you know I don't know just just kind of like show of all these people together in this way that will [TS]

  make them shut up [TS]

  and get them out of our face so we can keep doing our pristine stuff over on the side of the fence like that. [TS]

  And I know this doesn't represent everybody who works at Apple. [TS]

  There's a lot of great people there who try to make developer's lives better [TS]

  but the actions of the company as a whole indicated that's what they think of us. [TS]

  And that has been that has been the case for the entire history of the App Store. [TS]

  And I don't see that changing [TS]

  and I don't really see a pressing need for to change because from if you look at it like from the from the super hype [TS]

  executives point of view you look at it like from Tim Cook or from Phil Schiller who I think the absolute. [TS]

  Actually under Schiller's reign I think but I'm not entirely sure. [TS]

  It doesn't matter who it was rant on [TS]

  or if you look at it from their point of view they can every you know every quarter they can point to some number like [TS]

  Look here's how much we paid to developers overall we're doing great. [TS]

  We have all these apps in our store people keep buying them or people keep putting coins into candy whatever and [TS]

  and it's fine there's no problems if that metric based approach though is what annoys me the most because they get up [TS]

  there and they say they have these numbers to say here's how many billions of dollars we gave to developers. [TS]

  Here's how many apps we have in the store and let me show you this awesome app that that is great [TS]

  and if they lay them all out like that you're like well be outsourced grave [TS]

  or they don't realize is the awesome at this great sells nothing all that money is from bilking a bunch of whales out [TS]

  of money for an app purchases for crappy games [TS]

  and a number of apps in the store is high because millions of keyword spam clone piece of crap things [TS]

  and like those three numbers are big on their own. [TS]

  But like Together they don't make an app store filled with awesome games [TS]

  and developers making a lot of money you know I mean and I don't know if they know that [TS]

  or if they think they just look at their metric [TS]

  and say that matters could that matter to you that Matter is good therefore the App Store is good because I think [TS]

  when they see these games like this happen it's beautiful happy use for medical imaging or that sells like ten copies. [TS]

  Known by everyone is that everyone is buying candy crush and getting their money sucked out of their pockets. [TS]

  And there's so many many billions that's we have we have more apps. [TS]

  Yeah they're all crap like we just it's what we're all complaining about is because we want we realize that those [TS]

  things are so different we want there to be a store with lots of good high quality apps made by developers who get a [TS]

  fair price for them and the customers who are satisfied by them and not have the apps that are that exist [TS]

  but the individual metrics are the numbers look good right [TS]

  and I really wonder whether they are fooled by those numbers or whether they just bring those numbers out [TS]

  and say well this makes good for good P.R. but We know internally there's a bunch of problem. That's a good question. [TS]

  But if we know internally there's a bunch of problems. We've had a lot of time for those problems to get fixed. [TS]

  And Marcos right there's been a decided lack of action. [TS]

  So what point do we just throw our hands in the air and say you know what. [TS]

  This is obviously the way it is and was have to live with it. [TS]

  I mean some a lot of it like if you look at the App Store it's obviously built on the same infrastructure as the i [TS]

  Tunes store and the i Tunes store has the exact same issues where it doesn't really change very often it doesn't. [TS]

  It's if you look at in-store today versus the i Tunes Store in two thousand and eight [TS]

  when after was launched it's it has not changed much you know about the range of ninety nine dollars can put a song up [TS]

  there. The use of the same title to be on say song and trying to make money by device only buying it. [TS]

  That's true but I would probably isn't that different actually [TS]

  but anyway you know it's it seems like anything that involves the i Tunes Store infrastructure for whatever reason [TS]

  whether it's a technical political whatever the reason is it's like it's frozen in time an Apple can never meaningfully [TS]

  improve it or they just choose not to. [TS]

  And and I don't know what that like you know a front for every oh Casey our friend. [TS]

  I probably should name him [TS]

  but forever ago our friend told us a number of times that like the i Tunes store is not run by Apple it's run by some [TS]

  contractor in Virginia something like that and I don't know if that's true or not [TS]

  but you know if that is true it explains a lot [TS]

  but either way it just seems like Apple doesn't care that much about the i Tunes store [TS]

  or they're paralyzed by some kind of technical debt. [TS]

  They haven't repaid or choose not to repay it and just can't change anything about it [TS]

  or whatever whatever reason they don't even think about it. [TS]

  They're paralyzed by the success in terms of like the volume like what some of those numbers they tried out how many [TS]

  apps are there how many things are downloaded how many bytes how many songs and those numbers are so big [TS]

  and any interruption in that is so you know like you know this. [TS]

  It should be something that a company can handle doing [TS]

  but I think that as the biggest thing they have the biggest online thing that money comes in [TS]

  and data goes out is basic app store and i Tunes Store combined right. That's their biggest thing. [TS]

  If your plan is we're going to totally change that thing and your organization feels nervous about your you know [TS]

  and not so common about your ability to deploy a sort of web scale Google scale services you can be like my bonus [TS]

  depends on not being down on Christmas morning and letting people set up their new devices and be able to buy apps [TS]

  and I do things and this works for that. [TS]

  And people have complaints [TS]

  but my good friend you need to convince yourself that the safe move is it a stick with the infrastructure you having to [TS]

  keep improving it by bits and pieces. [TS]

  How long can Apple keep going with their web services feel like they're running on DOS [TS]

  and everyone else's in this century. [TS]

  Yeah the longer they go the bigger it gets like if they did they would have the same feelings back [TS]

  when the i Tunes to buy the apps and didn't exist on the i Tunes store was half the size [TS]

  and now just the problem keeps getting bigger and bigger over time [TS]

  and the longer they wait the harder it is to you know replace it with something better that also happens to work at [TS]

  that scale just by Google. [TS]

  Well you know I think we're always inside of the fact that it's only a matter of time before Web Objects has a [TS]

  resurgence because clearly that's what's going to happen [TS]

  and I don't I don't even know if exposing the objects who knows that it doesn't they are they are really there. [TS]

  The boy on the back end like we can see the U.R.L.'s and the web page but that could've been legacy your girls [TS]

  and probably not none of my extremely limited understanding influenced in part by friends of Bertie's in Bertie's [TS]

  occasionally it is all mostly Web Objects as far as I know it's not always objects in the back [TS]

  and I don't know I mean it probably the language might not be the problem. [TS]

  I think it's pretty clear the problem is just cultural with an apple it's like the for whatever reason they just do not [TS]

  consider it a priority. [TS]

  To modernize these systems in a in a significant major way [TS]

  or two to make significant changes to the stores themselves or the way they work to benefit users [TS]

  and developers in a substantial way. They just they just don't care that that's the reality of it. [TS]

  They just don't care. [TS]

  Well I wonder if part of the reason they don't care is because from my understanding of the Google Play store that is [TS]

  so full of I don't know if I should call it spam but full of things that probably don't belong [TS]

  and you can define that however you'd like. It's such a it's an even worse Wild West out there. [TS]

  And so since nobody showing them up and making them look bad. [TS]

  And additionally since so many really hot apps are still on i OS first. [TS]

  You know like Instagram's a great example which is quite old now but you know take Instagram. [TS]

  What's compelling Apple to make it better. [TS]

  A bunch of whining nerds talking on a pod cast that maybe none of them listen to anyway you know I just I don't I don't [TS]

  see what the impetus is to really make it better from their point of view. Yeah that's a good point. [TS]

  I think we would all agree that they still have the best store as crappy as it may be probably the problems are worse [TS]

  elsewhere and so I Apple Apple responds the competitive pressure Android getting better you know. [TS]

  If you look at past past Major I O. S. Versions look at the features they've added a lot of them have been an I O. S. [TS]

  First [TS]

  and that competitive pressure really has you know what Apple decided what's going to go on i OS five what's going to go [TS]

  on i OS X. [TS]

  You know strategic [TS]

  and competitive things like strategic as like oh we got to do maps around because we had Google now [TS]

  and you know notifications. Why do they get those why Android hadn't for a while. [TS]

  People one of them is that it isn't like you know Apple can add lots of different features to their O.S.'s very often [TS]

  choose to add ones that competitors had before them because competitive pressure. [TS]

  And so who is making the better curated more. Isn't less spam filter caps or nobody I guess. [TS]

  Well there's that what is it. Fine D.O.F. [TS]

  Indeed I go to that now until I go into which other platform like any radio maybe [TS]

  or maybe a Windows phone because I have a lot of absolute all of them [TS]

  and there are like I don't know make fun of Windows Phone. [TS]

  Right so back to this list which is longer with how long do we spend going through it the more I think it's not [TS]

  actually somebody with knowledge but anyway I think at this point it's pretty clear. [TS]

  Instead of going to the next item is there anything in the remainder of the list that we think is interesting enough to [TS]

  talk about I think the one month other delete messages thing could be interesting as we you know we talked before as [TS]

  has the prompt. [TS]

  We talked before about you know the issue of people's text messages getting so big because what ends up happening is if [TS]

  somebody messages you a photo that photo sticks around your messages forever until you delete that entire conversation. [TS]

  Or I think you saw an individual items but nobody ever does. [TS]

  So that photo sticks around forever and just takes up space on your device [TS]

  and so having having some kind of auto delete I think is a solution I don't think it's the solution I think the [TS]

  solution. [TS]

  John you mentioned earlier is to store those things and i Cloud [TS]

  and just you know have some kind of retention where you know maybe you don't delete it maybe don't plea for is after a [TS]

  month maybe you keep somebodies photos for the last year [TS]

  and just keep everything like people are going to use it's all like you know people they are going to use to mail the [TS]

  file back up with an email myself things like I don't think anyone's going to exploit it by saying just just send me [TS]

  through my message all the photos could have all star there forever it's just text mostly yes there's pictures in there [TS]

  but just keep on [TS]

  and just I just bite the bullet look the battery in these I was devices is going to run out in like three years this [TS]

  thing's going to be dead. [TS]

  They're going to buy a new one because technology the advance thing they're going to give you more money to store our [TS]

  messages forever their text and plus a little bit of. Images John. [TS]

  You clearly never exchanged text messages with me because they are way heavy on the images and way light on the text [TS]

  and in total how many years since two thousand and seven you have a three gigs [TS]

  or something I forget what it was because I've since deleted most I know [TS]

  but you have like three it's not that much like if you really need to. [TS]

  It really needs to be I think people are willing to pay some sort of thing of like Apple keep all my stuff wherever in [TS]

  the default could be delete after a year or two years or something reasonable like that but yeah like Barbara said. [TS]

  Deleting off a device is so primitive like there is only there was some other place we could protect like every Just [TS]

  stick up there and [TS]

  when I get to the end of the scroll thing pull them down just like basic basic cloud stuff that we all take for granted [TS]

  us like Why of course Apple can't do that voters have to delete them off their devices when they get too old [TS]

  but that's the sad part. They can't like they were shown so many times they actually can't. [TS]

  It's embarrassing it's like what went through there. [TS]

  They're one of the most they're certainly probably the most influential tech company in the world. [TS]

  They're one of the biggest one of the most successful I mean it's there they are on top of their game in so many ways [TS]

  and yet once it comes to touching something on a server somewhere they just it's again it's like they're living in the [TS]

  darkest days and certain certain parts there was great like the the push notification system is really good. [TS]

  It's rock solid most of the day. [TS]

  Demean maybe maybe like its first few months it might have had some problems [TS]

  but it's been rock solid for me the entire time like most of they have with these couple of things that are amazing. [TS]

  And then everything else is just like you know half assed crappy unreliable or [TS]

  or you know relevant to this part of the session just extremely limited in ways that would seem that would seem like [TS]

  archaic and too limited on the Internet ten years ago or built on a framework that like doesn't acknowledge. [TS]

  Existence of servers like to build on a framework the entirely a client side framework [TS]

  and into some kind of like shimmer adapter to get it like it's not it's not sort of like a web native you know I mean [TS]

  right. [TS]

  Even even as native as you think of like a stupid infinites for a web page that [TS]

  when you get to the end it makes an Ajax request and pulls down some more data and sticks it in like. [TS]

  No no we wouldn't that's too primitive We have a framework of laws of course it works only client side [TS]

  and if you want to bog down server side there's not even any good hooks for that [TS]

  but you know they try to take something like a Lego a cord [TS]

  and it will also make your garage cloud didn't work out all that great so far either so you know I'm not saying we have [TS]

  to be web first and go there you eyes and H.T.M.L. and Javascript but everything every A.P.I. [TS]

  They make every framework they make for dealing with data at this point should have some acknowledgement that it may be [TS]

  useful for some or all of this data not to be local and build that into how the framework works. [TS]

  Yeah you know what I just thought of is I've met a handful of Apple engineers maybe two hundred five and fifteen [TS]

  and every single one of these people. [TS]

  Firstly they're all software engineers and they're not they're not hardware engineers [TS]

  but every single one of these people. [TS]

  I can't think of any that have been anywhere near servers and it's extremely anecdotal [TS]

  and not really representative of anything real [TS]

  but I don't know do you guys know anyone that works an apple on the server side no. Are there that many of them. [TS]

  I've talked I've talked to some people who have done work on the you know the back end for i Cloud dot mac type stuff [TS]

  back in those days. [TS]

  So there are those people there [TS]

  but I mean that we talk about the same problem so many times like that it's just if you're going to do this type they [TS]

  just look at the client side Apple does the client side so well look at the things they do there and how they do it [TS]

  and look at how they make new frameworks for solving problems and extend those for him or can support them [TS]

  and fix bugs in them and replace old ones with new ones and they build an infrastructure. [TS]

  From the compiler all the way out for doing client side stuff very well [TS]

  and they just you know it's just constant improvement. [TS]

  Improving the language improving ID for in the compiler making new frameworks on and on and on. [TS]

  There's no quibbling to that on the server side or there is we don't see it at all. [TS]

  Versus Google which does exactly that equals on the server side they have tools for storing data for synchronizing data [TS]

  tools for managing their data center on the hardware side. [TS]

  This is constant revision constant improvement every piece of infrastructure from the bottom up. [TS]

  That's all they do all day long all year like the whole company is built around that [TS]

  and Apple does that on the client side it's just that Apple doesn't invest in infrastructure on the server side in a [TS]

  way that is visible to us on the outside it could be that they do all exactly the same things that Google does [TS]

  internally we just don't see it because why would anyone outside need to see these things [TS]

  but I think that's part of the culture. [TS]

  Why do we know about spanner and big table and produce because Google told us about them [TS]

  and shared their knowledge expertise in open source this stuff and protocol buffers [TS]

  and like all these you know even Facebook with all its different projects in the H H B M and scribe [TS]

  and all of the stuff like that culture doesn't exist at Apple [TS]

  and I don't see how they're ever going to be competitive with those companies unless they get some of their religion. [TS]

  I think it's like what I well I think summarize what I see from the outside. [TS]

  It's that Apple completely lacks muscle in the entire category of web services like you see like Apple is like pulling [TS]

  the industry forward when it comes to hardware design forever [TS]

  and a lot of the software design as well if they're dragging the industry for that. [TS]

  Look at how awesome we are we're going to force you all to keep up with us in hardware and software design [TS]

  and then it comes to things like was Services and the rest of the industry is doing that to Apple [TS]

  and Apple is just like being dragged along kicking and screaming like fine I guess I'll do the bare minimum. [TS]

  That might solve your problem in a web service. And it's like. [TS]

  They are they are only doing what's required not often not even that and just putting no similes to the front. [TS]

  Putting no heart into it no substantial effort. [TS]

  That's like you know above [TS]

  and beyond their just like to them it's just a checkbox like fine I guess we have to do something with the web service [TS]

  eventually Here you go there's no hustle there we don't see like there's never anything where they launch it [TS]

  and then all of a sudden everyone else has to scramble to keep up. [TS]

  You know Siri might have been one of those things [TS]

  but even then they got they got you know laughed pretty quickly after that it was like they they just completely lack [TS]

  that hustle on the services and where they have it in other areas of their business [TS]

  but you just don't see that at all for services whereas then Google and Facebook and Amazon [TS]

  but especially Google they're I think they're the best at this by far. Google just nailed that. [TS]

  Google will destroy anybody with sheer server side hustle. [TS]

  They're so good at it they just have like infinite server side engineering resources to to just beat everyone up with [TS]

  with web service capabilities and advancements [TS]

  and new expectations have by other people by customers because of how awesome their web services are [TS]

  and you know Google does web services what Apple does with hardware design [TS]

  and Apple just seems to not want to close that gap at all. [TS]

  Someone on Twitter asked why we don't use a shared pages document for charlatans that we use the Google thing [TS]

  and that's because I don't like the pages thing. [TS]

  Like I looked at it again just to make sure that I still didn't like it when he did that and I quote Oh [TS]

  and the pages created document open a new window resize that [TS]

  and it looks like a big you know word processing window from the one hundred ninety seven and I said Nope. [TS]

  Close that up like. [TS]

  It's not it's not what I want [TS]

  and you know I don't even notice that even support all the like you know somebody that it kind of multiple people [TS]

  editing a document the same time a different colored cursor is that we take for granted in Google Docs which is like [TS]

  how old now I think it's supposed to [TS]

  but I don't know that that's like that's it that's an example of like those apps may be great [TS]

  but you know mind share wise I'm not doing a concert of them because I assume they're not great [TS]

  and I assume are not reliable and interface wise they're trying to imitate a desktop application [TS]

  and that that's not what I want out of a web application I want something I can open in a tab that we can all type [TS]

  and at the same time in Google provided you know be open fast and reliable and won't do weird things in a work [TS]

  and whatever browser I try to use it [TS]

  and they'll just build the creepy I mean whatever I like like that that the reason we're not using Pages I think your [TS]

  case is just that [TS]

  and you said you wanted I said no it's not because I hate Apple it's because I know Google Docs works [TS]

  and it's reliable and like you know it's very difficult to gain that trust back even if you match [TS]

  and even if you're better it's hard to gain that trust back. [TS]

  Likewise a very news Google Hangouts because because they work because it's a way that people can communicate with each [TS]

  other and Google enters this thing and has steadily improved it and people have learned that's a thing that works. [TS]

  Everyone gets you know web browser if you can fit where brother works just get chrome. [TS]

  We know that all work not too hard to set up and they get the job done. [TS]

  You know we'll see I don't I just at some point at some point Apple's got to take this seriously [TS]

  and maybe they're taking it seriously already [TS]

  but they're going to show someone outside of Cupertino that progress is being made and it's not it's not Apple's M.O. [TS]

  To be self-deprecating or really admit things are wrong unless they're pretty sure thirty fixed [TS]

  but man some sort of not even STATE OF THE UNION but some sort of not that says hey guys this is pretty crummy. [TS]

  But here. What we're doing here's what's coming which is exactly the sort of thing one would expect to see W.D.C. [TS]

  If that's if if that's a card up their sleeve but I don't know run a time on on that [TS]

  and we're actually kind of running on out of time on the show. [TS]

  So let me scoot forward so your fallback was in the maybe category on this wish list that is appeared on [TS]

  and off invaders of various versions of i O S N I have always loved it because [TS]

  and the first real problem violin music [TS]

  when I walk out of the office if I'm fiddling with my phone after my our offices on the third floor of the building as [TS]

  I walk down the stairs [TS]

  and eventually out of the building a lot of times my i Phone will try to cling to the office wife [TS]

  and I'll be trying to peruse Twitter or something like that and I can't get anything. [TS]

  I don't get any response back because my phone is being too persistent clinging to why fire [TS]

  and there was a brief window of time like I said when when on a beta you could tell it you know just go [TS]

  and fall back to cellular if you not really get an answer quick enough in the multipath T.C.P. Is for I believe so. [TS]

  But now you're outside my wheel house I've heard of it but I'm not really sure about it. [TS]

  And man I would love for that to come back and be a thing. [TS]

  I think it's supposed to be in seven maybe it doesn't work as well. [TS]

  I don't know well and I think that and I'm waiting for John to correct me but I think T.C.P. [TS]

  Is supposed to help [TS]

  but there's not supposed to be like two different you could you sailor wife I simultaneously for speed boost [TS]

  and I should look this up. Thanks love two or three sponsors this week. [TS]

  Dash hover and nature box and we will see you next week. Now we believe it was accidental accidental. [TS]

  And you are now sitting on the audience. [TS]

  As I said to that list and he actually wrote down a couple things to look back and see if any is worthwhile. [TS]

  So what we what are we going to do what are they going to do about interrupt indication. [TS]

  I wasn't even on this person's wish list. He didn't care about it. You won't talk about that weird. [TS]

  I always say it side by side and I've had thing that came up last week and I don't buy it. [TS]

  Toba next week's show will do like real predictions talk about the whole you know this is a good overview of Iowa State. [TS]

  But we need to like you know say our announcements what software announcements you know just the whole nine yards Numac [TS]

  pros [TS]

  and they held their last chance before they say for next week so I think we should save Iowa side by side as I think it [TS]

  will come up there. Yeah maybe. [TS]

  I think that's something that's you know well I don't know if it has any more credence than an anonymous e-mail that I. [TS]

  didn't know was his name how would a nine to five Mac. [TS]

  Yeah it's like that's the only reason he was even talking about it is it is Mark or Manhattan under five [TS]

  and he is a really good history like he is. [TS]

  He's a pretty reliable leaker of rumors [TS]

  and that's exactly where he likes to be known as are pretty reliable leaker of rumors. [TS]

  Yeah he is pretty reliable sources and he chooses like the things he chooses to report. His record is pretty good. [TS]

  So what I'm saying is he's good at his job so for him to report this as as what seems like a pretty. Sure thing. [TS]

  There certainly is some some weight to that. [TS]

  Whether it will actually ship is another story [TS]

  but it would not surprise me if the side by side thing has at least been tested for Iowa [TS]

  and is being considered for inclusion and I was you know I would imagine by now like you know a week [TS]

  and a half from the keynote they probably haven't decide what is going to be there or not [TS]

  and what it should be mentioned or not who knows. [TS]

  Yeah I mean yeah you have to think that something that big if it appears in the keynote. [TS]

  People are going to expect the ship but in the past things appear to you know it's [TS]

  and then just not shipped in the version of the O. S. [TS]

  That they've been more minor feature something this day I feel like they'd have to commit to such a talking anyway. [TS]

  I couldn't possibly tell us about this feature I think it's not I mean maybe there's a thought of something that I have [TS]

  and it's going to be amazing but I think the biggest problem with I.O.U.'s multitasking is not side by side apps. [TS]

  It's it's it's the file system problem it's it's sharing the data. [TS]

  It's like where do you keep the documents where do you keep files do you keep files you would assume something will be [TS]

  part of this though like this I give it like I don't have a place to put a thing so this app can write it [TS]

  and that other African region right. [TS]

  But if you have been side by side [TS]

  and they made something like Oh if you drag it from one thing to the other then we will make some temporary location [TS]

  for the thing in it like that like some plumbing to make that happen I don't know if that will be part of side by side [TS]

  apps but what I see side by side apps I mean do you think I would like to be able to drag things between them [TS]

  and if that's not part of it in version one I would hope that if they keep going down that road they'll work on that [TS]

  and yes that means like the side by side part is almost making that work. [TS]

  It's whatever the underlying system is they have for having the solid application to share data between each other. [TS]

  But even a really stupid one that's basically like copying placement with file temporary file backing. [TS]

  Even that could go a long way because that solves the problem of like where. Do I put this. [TS]

  So that when I leave this app and go into the lap you can see it and there's no putting if you drag it between there. [TS]

  Then it's just like oh well this is a single action and we have a framework that handles a single action [TS]

  and it will do whatever needs to do to deal with the sandboxing stuff to make that happen. [TS]

  Yeah that would definitely help a lot. [TS]

  I feel like there's some sort of interrupt communication fix that none of us can conceive ended [TS]

  and as per usual sin is Apple shows us we're going to say Oh of course that's the way it works [TS]

  but I mean I don't know if there isn't any sort of Internet communication improvement. [TS]

  Well first of all Federico is probably going to just quit the internet. [TS]

  But I can let me just I don't know what else what else is really really egregiously broken about I.O.'s other bugs [TS]

  and each of us plus unfair [TS]

  and traded throughout the communication for a new file system any day for every one of them John Surtees all you know I [TS]

  guess. [TS]

  What else going on is that not really a lot going on right and [TS]

  when this is the problem with the with trying to record you know a crazy schedule of working around our travel needs [TS]

  and everything and recording basically three episodes in about eight days. [TS]

  There hasn't been a lot happening during these days. [TS]

  Yeah we're going to we're going to miss the week before the very see when all the good leaks come out. [TS]

  But anyway I will have to run it was actually very Thursday. [TS]

  Yes Well it is not that we had to make sure that we go through all the things harbour nonsense offer announcements [TS]

  and not get too bogged down in any one thing like you know the split screen Iris Have you guys met yourselves for our [TS]

  home or if we should all have that we should all have lists of things that we think are going to be announced [TS]

  and we just go through our list and then we can go back and talk about the individual thing. [TS]

  OK I'm sure that will work perfectly. Totally. [TS]

  We will definitely do our homework and Marco will play a minute value [TS]

  and everything will be thought oh yeah yeah because you know everything that prevented me from playing it the last [TS]

  couple of weeks that's all gone now. So now we'll play it. Yeah I'm saving all of my. [TS]

  By overcast complaints for a future show. [TS]

  As I look at the activity of the beta most people are hitting on most of the things that but I am trying to use it. [TS]

  I was speaking of a complaint was not your fault but I'm thrilled that you're trying to use it. [TS]

  That that alone is a compliment. [TS]

  Yeah I'm trying to use it I used it on my commute to work today or this weekend [TS]

  and I go let me just set it up with my car Bluetooth because I'm going to be using his i Pod Touch as my podcast thing [TS]

  your POD catcher. [TS]

  Yeah whenever my car is Bluetooth support but if I touch a Bluetooth but they don't talk to each other at all. [TS]

  Well when I turned on the Bluetooth parenting in my car and said Do you want to connect to my wife's i Phone five S. [TS]

  Which apparently has been in the car before in a car is detected and is already to pair with it or does it. [TS]

  Does the car support music streaming like as I think it's because it still is but doesn't support music streaming [TS]

  or just voice. Because some cars like like I rented a Maxima when I was in Phoenix. [TS]

  Couple weeks ago and it had Bluetooth [TS]

  but only for like phone calls which actually led me to think about it would be a really cool feature if I could [TS]

  simulate a phone call over Bluetooth [TS]

  but just put the pod cast through it with from my hat so that you could play it in cars that didn't have that feature [TS]

  enabled but I don't know if that's possible with this. [TS]

  It supports music streaming and handset parings voice everything [TS]

  but only with the i Phone doesn't see my i Pod Touch blues has on discoverable everything [TS]

  and no device is detected so that was disappointing some using the U.S.B. [TS]

  Adapter for which is kind of crappy been a struggle. [TS]

  Anyway I have tons of complaints I'll tell you all in you know next time we see each other and want to thank you. [TS]

  But really the beta people are really getting a lot like you're getting a lot of good feedback for the bait [TS]

  and any time I have any complaint I just go look through the beta feedback I'm like yep that person said that I agree [TS]

  with that. I like I mean I can imagine me to them. If you want me to vote but mostly they're getting. [TS]

  Yeah actually it would help. Yeah voting helps. Just file a bug and I'll mark it as a duplicate. [TS]

  I should put I should put favorites we're doing on glass ports on top a little phase next to the ones that are like. [TS]

  Can't tell what the whole downloading don't want to play when I tap on a. [TS]

  Just want to description although I call Thank you I'm glad you agree with me on that you know everyone agrees everyone [TS]

  agrees definitely playable. [TS]

  I'll give I'll give you it in full detail disclosure button [TS]

  and then you're in your stupid menu toolbar icon still holding the line on the head. Yeah well there. [TS]

  I don't want to ruin what it is that of all complained about after you really something if you don't end up falling [TS]

  back to the icon that you know you should use to refuse to know I'm not going to do it [TS]

  but you should because it would work in ever knows what it means. [TS]

  You're right but I don't want to use what I can [TS]

  and I want to see it's an experiment I want to see if I can get along without using it. [TS]

  I know my wife so it's like it's like you know settings [TS]

  and the magazine is only one thing that you wrote you know like I'm damn And I'm going to hold the line on this. [TS]

  Well yeah I always put like some kind of I always try experiments in my apps and sometimes they bomb out [TS]

  and don't work most of the time they bomb and don't work but occasionally they work really well and that's like. [TS]

  And people end up loving my apps for those occasional ponder those things work like so many little features that people [TS]

  love Instapaper where those kind of experiments are just the way for the support email influx of people can't figure [TS]

  out where the hell the thing that's done that but in this was. [TS]

  Anyway [TS]

  and I don't want to I don't want to disclose anything about the app so we'll talk more about that probably long after [TS]

  the be of idiocy when you start getting to the point where you want to release it or talk about or publicly. [TS]

  Yeah I don't know when the moment of release. [TS]

  I'm thinking maybe I'm going to really give it if I had to give a date I was just waiting. [TS]

  If I had to give a date today seeing what I have to do in the next few weeks like just just like life like going to [TS]

  this conference and and family stuff [TS]

  and travel stuff in Iowa say they're in for get a just yeah I always say it like I'm thinking like I'll be lucky to get [TS]

  it out in July. [TS]

  Maybe I'll see that you Plus you've got plenty of plain old bugs and like this is what happens [TS]

  when it goes from a one user up to. Like thirty years or out they find all the books. Oh yeah yeah. [TS]

  That's why it's amazing like how how many bugs have been found. It's really quite shocking. [TS]

  Like like in my typical you know typical me naive A D I in my initial email to the testers I wrote something on the [TS]

  lines of like I'm pretty sure this is pretty close to one point many looking for like you know focuses [TS]

  and the like feature was never like this I was I'm pretty sure this is this is pretty close to one point oh [TS]

  and it's nowhere close it's like too close to it because if you understand the app entirely [TS]

  and then you throw the thing in front of people who haven't been looking at it for months [TS]

  and like you know I don't understand how even even to this day there's still future I don't want you to explain to me [TS]

  like but that I don't entirely understand I'm able to get the app to do what I want which is interesting [TS]

  but the conceptually there are things they don't understand at all and it's like I could ask Mark [TS]

  and he would explain it to me [TS]

  but other people are going to go this year that you know I mean SOB trying to like see it as the basis for aggressive [TS]

  starts to reveal itself to me but already I like it better than any other I.O.'s podcast app you know with the U.I. [TS]

  That I've used because I can configure it to let me manage my podcast the way answering manually doing it terribly [TS]

  painfully manually am i Pod Shuffle So thumbs up for the utility department there [TS]

  but I may go back to my shuffle after I if I get sick of like plug in the stupid U.S.B. Thing into my car. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and the problem is that like there's nothing I can do really reliably to sync with like desktop i Tunes like that's something [TS]

  like that's like a wall that like pod cast clients can attempt to let you have a mac client you can try to read the i [TS]

  Tunes library it's kind of works. It kind of doesn't. [TS]

  On on the i Phone You can like I'm able to I haven't been able to feature in the betas Yep like one thing I want to do [TS]

  is like you know have an import from pot import from Apple podcasts option [TS]

  and the problem is you can read the library through public A.P.I. Is but only actual download or not. [TS]

  It's so if you have a pod cast that has that you've listened to everything and deleted all that will show up to me [TS]

  and all I have no way to tell that you that you're subscribed to a podcast that currently has no episodes download on [TS]

  your device. [TS]

  So there is limitations that it's going to make it really really hard to ever support like i Tunes importing that you [TS]

  know to a degree that people would expect it to work very well. [TS]

  Yeah I wish I could just configure playlists and overcast and they would magically appear a map [TS]

  and show your obsession with truffles kind of comical because it's so it's so easy I can clip it on to my clothes. [TS]

  So wearable right into my car [TS]

  and like you know I just the parts that are painful about it are trying to get songs on it ever which is a super [TS]

  painful like torture and accidentally hitting buttons on a soup [TS]

  and you know they put the play pause button in the middle of the circle trying to figure which button you're hitting [TS]

  not accidentally hit forward about like the physical U.I. It's crappy as well as many. [TS]

  It's much easier than having to deal with you know I really need to go really just go ahead quicker headphones I keep [TS]

  saying that I'm saying it for years. You know one of Apple's headphones with a little quicker than it. [TS]

  Yeah that's that's the problem. [TS]

  That's actually that's one of my one of my big problems with the headphone market is for portable had Sounds like all [TS]

  the headphones sound really good are all like you know the full size ones that you use your desk [TS]

  and they have like these big long cables oftentimes the cables are coiled [TS]

  or they might have at the giant quarter inch plug on the incidence of metal things plug almost none of the headphones [TS]

  sound great have the i Phone clicker and so the i Phone click or like it [TS]

  but it's definitely going to really really useful. [TS]

  It's not like you at your at your desk at your computer if you're out walking if you're on a plane [TS]

  or you can keep the i Pod or whatever in your pocket and just have a clicker there to do all your control [TS]

  and there are just very few headphones that are both good and have the clicker and have a good clicker I think. [TS]

  Or a different liquors like Sennheiser major leaguer [TS]

  when a kid makes the worst I've ever used in my life some of the like fashion brands some of them have good ones that [TS]

  like they want to try to like some of them are good some of them are awful. [TS]

  It's and and as to she points out many headphones have detachable cords you can liken to swap one in. [TS]

  But most headphones don't have attachable cords so you're kind of like stuck either doing like a really tiny sensitive [TS]

  soldering jobs going to hack your own cable on it which is a terrible idea [TS]

  or just use the cable that comes of that will eventually freeze somewhere internally and die. [TS]

  Maybe I watch will solve this problem for me [TS]

  but like the base of the problem is I could be doing if you have to guess LATE EDITION's which is a reasonable thing to [TS]

  do and your spouse comes in the room want to talk to you get officious thing out of your pocket hit the button. [TS]

  Swiped unsolicited advice. Find the pause button and paused. [TS]

  Compare it compared to just click on a clicker [TS]

  or just tap a little button on you know things that can become reflexes because they're physical devices there's no way [TS]

  in hell I want to fish and i Phone or an i Pod touch out of my pocket and interact with the U.I. [TS]

  Deposit and by the time I do that my wife is already rolling her eyes [TS]

  and same way with us in the pocket you know you could do is you could just get an i Phone that comes with the [TS]

  headphones with the clicker doesn't come with it. Yes I don't think so. [TS]

  Yeah they do it does and then [TS]

  when you go into your car it by the magic of Bluetooth you don't have to plug anything in. [TS]

  Become my wife is an i Phone five S. [TS]

  and I'm pretty sure there are no clicker headphones in this house so you think there is there is not a debate in my [TS]

  mind. [TS]

  They're under in the box either a little my thing [TS]

  and I should get maybe I left them in the box because I had to go fish those things every i Phone has come with the has [TS]

  come with your buds. The first one even came with a dock but that was short lived. [TS]

  Not perfect arm of the ear buds but with the click around them. Yeah with the clicker. [TS]

  I know if I'm going to find the rest of the show because I have not seen that yet. [TS]

  Every every ear buds that those ever come with i Phones and every i Phone has come with the above. [TS]

  They've all had clickers. They're going to. Couple generations of them. But they've all had them. [TS]

  I keep We don't know that there's one i Phone and it's out one i Phone five S. [TS]

  In this house [TS]

  and I was pretty sure didn't come the teams had my phone for a while I thought she had a forest in a five S. [TS]

  and Neither one of them. [TS]

  You're wrong maybe she never use they had thought I meant to conceal they're still sitting in the packets coiled up [TS]

  them to say I've never seen them in the house. Or maybe she got them and hide them from me. [TS]