0:00:00let's get going we we are going that was so good I'm keeping that so I was I went
0:00:07to the mall today and I had to pick up a new Apple TV and a replacement remote
0:00:13first of all I do wanna talk a little about my TV so we we were we've had this
0:00:17like back Dan / family room / play room in our house as we bought the house and
0:00:24we've had we haven't had any furniture and because we just haven't had a need
0:00:28for it yet but we have a living room I have an office like we have separate
0:00:32rooms for these things so this room against we always said Oh it'll be like
0:00:35the kids play room so we just heard you in this room finally now that we have
0:00:39the kid and so we we got a couch for that was delivered this morning and I
0:00:44got a TV for it and a second Apple TV to plug into the TV and interesting how you
0:00:53know and John of course you're famous for you or your research television
0:00:56purchase but I thought it was interesting how for this TV I literally
0:01:01the only research I did was I search Amazon for TVs in the roughly the size
0:01:07range on my iPad Mini in bed one night and just ordered it that's how the rest
0:01:13of the world lives Marco I fantasize about purchasing something that way but
0:01:19never actually pulled the trigger but just take five more minutes just 10 more
0:01:25minutes maybe just one more hour ok maybe three more hours in just three
0:01:30hours you invest now you can have this thing for years and foolish and just
0:01:33live like other people and just search for TV and trying one that looks nice
0:01:38and click Buy but that's what people do so the reason you keep cars for seven
0:01:43attorneys is because it takes you seven attorneys to research the next car
0:01:46continued I mean like I'm reading a magazine a month I'm continually
0:01:51researching with a nice cars going to be there so I am always ready at a moment's
0:01:55notice to you know get through the existing field this a potential Karzai
0:02:00would get i mean you know I'm even making those things like me while I
0:02:04really want to I want the essay or should I wait for the new S Class none
0:02:08of his car so I can afford but in case just in case I'm ready to go
0:02:13front and like usually I'm like that too which is why I was kind of amused by my
0:02:18own lack of interest in doing that for this purchase at the main reason why I
0:02:22think for in my case this time was there weren't that many choices that I
0:02:28actually want so I wasn't gonna go to a store that that was like I don't care
0:02:31because it's a secondary room in the house
0:02:35selfishly I'm not gonna often be watching it usually either the babies
0:02:39watching it with sesame street on my wife is watching it all hang out with
0:02:42the baby and so it is very rare that I will be there watching its second of all
0:02:48I know that and ahead of you any smaller is the biggest we can get that would fit
0:02:53the spot when it was 37 inches I know you know by old standards it's pretty
0:02:57big but by today's standards that's pretty small so far this medium so it
0:03:02wasn't like buying a high end items because join us you told me it's pretty
0:03:07hard to find small high-end TV models all small TV is a terrible price that so
0:03:13many other thing was I i didnt wanna buy a Samsung because I just find Samsung so
0:03:19distasteful as a company
0:03:21overhaul that I'd rather not support them if if I can avoid it like you know
0:03:26sure if if they had the only good option I would have probably suck it up and
0:03:30bought it but so anyway so I went and the TV we have firm and TV which I
0:03:36bought about seven years ago now is a nice 42 inch Panasonic plasma and I'm
0:03:42very happy with it it's a it's great TV 1080p you know really really nice color
0:03:48and brightness and contrast levels across the plasma and it's a fantastic
0:03:53TV and I've always been very pleased with it so I basically I was on our show
0:03:59me TVs that are you know this size roughly of course that rules out all
0:04:03platforms which is unfortunate that you liked as much as a technology that it
0:04:07just looks so good and in dark detail but it's ok to plasma 37 inches
0:04:13so and roulette Samsung ok and roulette things that will ship by Amazon Prime
0:04:19because I don't feel like paying some massive ship and charged for some of the
0:04:21summit TV ok and that left only like four models and one of them was a
0:04:27Panasonic and the Panasonic was the only one that was 1080p
0:04:31amazon has terrible toll legislation by the way I'm not surprised you narrowed
0:04:35it down to very soon but they do not catch they simply like they carry every
0:04:39possible brand of like you know I don't know pen or paper towels or whatever but
0:04:44like TVs they do not your best Buy has more selection in terms of models which
0:04:48surprises me all the time like how could Amazon not have this but whatever weird
0:04:53Matthews different when they carry extremes to exclude a lot of models of
0:04:56TV you would think it would be the opposite because the Tams on no they
0:04:59don't have the stores I don't know what it is so it was easier it was you know I
0:05:04I could to try and some like we are discontinued Sony model or some Samsung
0:05:07thing or some like you know covy piece of crap or a Panasonic but I already
0:05:13liked the look very similar my current one that had good good customer ratings
0:05:17on Amazon I was the only one that was 1080p I mean it was a no-brainer so it
0:05:21was like 550 bucks which i think is pretty cheap for for a good TV about
0:05:26size saw the Cape that's done at the measurements fit perfectly done and
0:05:32arrived today and it's awesome I'm really happy with that I can't believe
0:05:35how little research I had to do to get a satisfactory purchase here people that's
0:05:40why people buy without research because his blessing if you don't do the
0:05:44research you don't know what they're missing and you just get what you want
0:05:46like this I i agonized over my small TV purchase because I had exactly the same
0:05:50problem I quickly discovered that all the small TV is a terrible because they
0:05:54don't make you know there's no market for like high in small TVs you know
0:05:57there's more to smartphone market for high-end hatchbacks in there is her
0:06:01small titties and so I had to go through all of the models that all had some
0:06:05terrible you know fatal flaw that would prevent me from ever wanting you figure
0:06:09out which is the least terrible one in the in the end the one I chose I chose
0:06:15because it was on sale for like $200 off where you could find in like you know
0:06:21best buy price and it was on Amazon Prime shipping ball and I said ok these
0:06:27all have something about them that makes me not able to buy them but this one has
0:06:30such a steep discount today I have to get it so that's what I ended up with
0:06:36the time you know I still look at it and I still am sending you might want to
0:06:40save a lot of money on my mind was around $500 to but it was a nicer
0:06:45television probably got you sure that is pretty nice but I mean maybe not now
0:06:50because I bought mine years ago
0:06:52technology marches on but at the time it was it was also the highest rated of all
0:06:57the ones I was looking at internet I wish there was a site like dpreview for
0:07:00televisions but as far as I can tell there is not there is a CVS forums we're
0:07:05just kind of like dpreview but exploded into a million pieces see how to troll
0:07:09through the farms if there are people say but like I just want a comprehensive
0:07:12in-depth technical review of things the way dpreview.com yeah image comparisons
0:07:17with comfortable models like the whole nine yards right and I could balance the
0:07:21only thing I found that is what you should have done too well this is just
0:07:26like you too disappointed with the way my parents want to get television I just
0:07:29told them to go to CNET's television viewers because they have a nice web
0:07:31interface they gave you most televisions they do a reasonable job and you can
0:07:36just go show me the best TV news for you know under $500 under the size with this
0:07:42technology will just show you with star ratings and you can you know you get a
0:07:46short list of models menu at Amazon Amazon carries none of those models and
0:07:49you'll be sad but that's that's that's a good starting point of like it's kind of
0:07:54like the wire cutter TVs but a little bit more comprehensive because they'll
0:07:57tell me ok I wanted to be a small TV now I want LCD or plasma and LCD backlight I
0:08:02don't care about the backlight by the way what what is the backlight on your
0:08:05CEO Mark led yeah they're all you know if they used to be a big distinguishing
0:08:10characteristic and it drives me crazy when people call them LED TVs that are
0:08:15so misleading the magic america and New Years desires is your schedule let you
0:08:21know I don't even know that research it just so happens I think it's great i
0:08:29mean it like I mean I use it for
0:08:31an hour earlier today if that's the thing about television technology in all
0:08:35these technologies have some horrible thought about them including plasma
0:08:39progress does Marchand I think you know people were talking about the latest
0:08:43crop of Panasonic plasma Panasonic is once again making noises about getting
0:08:46out of the plasma business but they like ok well if you buy these sort of middle
0:08:51of the road Panasonic plasma that everybody buys it has better picture
0:08:55than their super duper top of the line from last generation oops you know and
0:08:59so that that's depressing if you have the television like me I bought the top
0:09:03of the line you know five years ago and now they're like bargain-basement TV
0:09:07probably looks better but it's heartening and that like oh I can it's
0:09:10finally getting to the point where if you go out and buy a Panasonic plasma
0:09:14today from their current crop of models you probably getting better television
0:09:17than I have a lot less money and that's kind of the way technology supposed to
0:09:20work and I think you know one reason why was I was willing to almost impulse buy
0:09:26a TV is because they're also good now that I mean yet it you know within you
0:09:32can you can especially you but you know you the general population
0:09:36can can find differences and and identify them in a pic them but in
0:09:40reality like whatever TV you buy chances are you'll be fine with it until it
0:09:47breaks which is probably at least five years I don't but I said on Twitter 10
0:09:51years i know i cant unresponsive saying that these components do not last that
0:09:55long and I might expect more like five to seven ok fine but you know 520 K five
0:10:01to seven years that he was in a word for me a TV is a monitor for an Apple TV and
0:10:09occasional game system like it's not I'm not masking that much from it and so I
0:10:15knew that whatever I bought you know unless it had some weird thing like made
0:10:19a weird noise or like the speakers fell out barring some kind of catastrophic
0:10:24law almost anything would work just fine for my purposes here I still think the
0:10:30distinction between LCD and plasma is significant enough that you know like be
0:10:36especially if you're into watching movies
0:10:39the motion compensation stuff to leave that on everything looks weird to your
0:10:43turn it off and everything looks weird in a slightly different way and and like
0:10:47it used to be at all this is still the case because I haven't researched buying
0:10:50a new TV recently but it used to be that it was difficult to find even among the
0:10:55plasmas you had to be careful to make sure that you got one they could do like
0:10:59true 24 frames per second came in from blu-ray player i guess im standards of
0:11:03saying like oh put the TV into him up because 24 is not a nice multiple like
0:11:0760 or 30 or anything like that in their various blu-ray players and TVs conspire
0:11:11to give you the most accurate film like representation of movies that were shot
0:11:17at 24 frames per second
0:11:18without any weird interpolation without any image processing delays and stuff
0:11:22like that and plasmas are still the way to go for that because the LCDs
0:11:27necessarily have to do some amount of that we are processing stuff and you
0:11:32know the input lag four games and stuff like that but you know from watching
0:11:36television shows its my minutes are upstairs bedroom TV is an LCD and watch
0:11:41TV shows on in the kids watch movies on it it's not a big deal I will say also I
0:11:46mean I haven't have a washington died yet so I'll see you know how how good
0:11:49the dark detail is which is one area that was really been better than LCDs
0:11:53but I will say just looking at the TV and regular daytime usage you could have
0:11:59told me it was a plasma and I would believe that it it really does look that
0:12:02good
0:12:03LCD has come a long way and also but not in the area and I guess I'm comparing us
0:12:11to what I'm most familiar with which is a seven-year-old plasma but my
0:12:14seven-year-old plasma is still pretty good bye must hits today and you know
0:12:19it's not like totally won the first generation ones that like salt
0:12:24just turn turn on all the lights in the room bring up the beginning of a movie
0:12:27that's completely black screen with like two directors name in white text in the
0:12:30middle and then see what that looks like to look like a giant glowing grace clip
0:12:35square with white light in the middle or you know does it look like a black
0:12:39square with white white text with a giant halo around it or that's that's
0:12:43where you'll see the black levels as you know when all the lights go out in the
0:12:47room
0:12:47how much how much light is actually admitted from your supposedly black
0:12:50television is actually you know what's funny is asked me what kind of TV I have
0:12:56in our family room living room or whatever you call it is an ideal watch
0:13:01TV I have no idea what kind of TV news I think it's a Toshiba really don't know
0:13:05who's a gift
0:13:06dunno it it's funny it's easy just one of those things I don't care enough I
0:13:10really just don't care enough and in and I'm not saying you guys are wrong to
0:13:14care and I kinda wish I cared but I just really don't care for the longest time
0:13:18we had a 32 inch TV above our fireplace which everyone who comes here it comes
0:13:24into our house that actually cares about this stuff says oh my god how could you
0:13:26have the TV that high off the ground you're out of your mind it's terrible I
0:13:29don't care why don't you have a bigger TV don't care and it it's just odd to me
0:13:35what you know some people care about and some people don't end and again I'm not
0:13:39faulting either of you in any capacity for caring I kinda wish I gave enough of
0:13:44a crap but I just don't care
0:13:46people don't care about the screens either which is the truth of having
0:13:50taking family member shopping for iOS devices I have to take great pains to
0:13:56show them that there is actual actually difference between running on retina
0:14:01iPad screens they just they cannot see it they kinda see it when I showed them
0:14:05but like it's a type of thing where if they can't see it just by looking at the
0:14:11screens what do they do show so like I was your man on texture I try to save
0:14:15you see the Jags around the curve of that thing in like you know it's I
0:14:20everything will be ready when is better they see that it's better but it's not
0:14:25like alright but it better enough how much more does this one cost or whatever
0:14:29I think that's that's why you know Panasonic think of chanting its plasma
0:14:34is it because like plasma is superior has superior picture quality and other
0:14:37characteristics 20 cities despite all the advances in LCDs but is it better
0:14:42enough that and the other thing kills me is like not only were is the image
0:14:47quality better but they've been consistently cheaper as well on the high
0:14:51end especially like the super high-end
0:14:54LCDs were more expensive for the same size of the plasma but it's just not
0:14:58better enough and I class Michalek bad rap for you no heat and power plant
0:15:03which is true and burning also some which is true and just like you know
0:15:07most people buy kind of the middle of the road LCD televisions and it's just
0:15:11not enough people who care about image quality to carrying pioneer got out of
0:15:16the business after their current models which are like the best looking
0:15:18televisions ever for years and years after they stopped making them and some
0:15:23people say they still had advantages over existing miles so that is a little
0:15:25bit nostalgia but yeah like if you if you're if you're differences not
0:15:31distinct enough to capture the hearts and minds of people it's very difficult
0:15:34to make a go of that business of Panasonic's like yeah we we are the
0:15:39current king of television image quality except those crazy all that things are
0:15:44never but not enough people care about that difference they just go on by
0:15:49Alcides and we sell CDs too and we're just gonna get out of the plasma thing
0:15:52because it at a certain point it becomes untenable to be like the only person
0:15:55making class must implement placement to other people do as well but I've been
0:16:01actually seriously considering buying whatever the very last high and
0:16:05Panasonic plasma is even though I did not plan to replace my television and
0:16:11he's got a little bit longer than that it was like I did I plan to keep it for
0:16:17many many years that's perfectly fine but I'm like if I don't get this now I
0:16:22don't want to be in like five years or seven years
0:16:25forced to buy an LCD television is I don't think like old heads you know any
0:16:31other technology will be superior to that point so I don't like letting the
0:16:35Corolla like you could have bought occur but you didn't stop making its like
0:16:38stocking up on the boards
0:16:40you know I have I have I i've actually I was the Big Apple standard keyboard to
0:16:46use air and so I have a bunch of spares but then I switched like when they are
0:16:50psychic then I wanted a keyboard with that took less effort to press the keys
0:16:54on despite the fact that I love the Apple extended to and I used it all
0:16:57after college so now I have a backlog extended to as I guess I will just save
0:17:02them until I can sell them to group
0:17:05don't come back in one day one day when he can't find that he's only by like one
0:17:12every ten you it's a start maybe they'll start breaking it at a higher rate I've
0:17:17got some pretty good condition
0:17:19extended to us up in the attic that's good to know it i'm glad you brought up
0:17:23the red nothing just very quickly
0:17:25my parents came to visit this weekend this past weekend and my dad has a 13
0:17:30inch Retina MacBook Pro and he was asking a few questions about it and so i
0:17:34sat down in front of it and instantly I was ruined again and and I have I
0:17:39mentioned in the past I believe that I have a 15 inch high res antiglare non
0:17:44retina MacBook Pro two of them and and my eyes are actually terrible I have to
0:17:49wear hard contacts cuz my sir so bad but I was in front of his retina MacBook Pro
0:17:53for 30 seconds before I was real and i got up and I said kind that screen so
0:17:57beautiful my mom said you know I just don't see it I don't get it I believe
0:18:01you but I don't get it and it's so you john you're dead on about that it's like
0:18:06do you think that's because like our parents are all during your vision gets
0:18:09worse as you get older is that it is that just it though is it is it
0:18:13something else I don't think that's why I think it's it's it's it's a
0:18:18combination of attention to that kind of detail and also just caring about that
0:18:24particular type of them well and I would like to do that you know and a/b tests
0:18:28were you were like like this some sort of reward we're like to try to guess you
0:18:35not that you care whether it's you know but can literally just can you tell
0:18:39right and we can all tell like you know blink test for them up on the screen for
0:18:43half a second but maybe like you know if the same website is insufficient for
0:18:50them if they have three seconds five seconds ten seconds and minutes to stare
0:18:53at them to shove their nose up to the mike
0:18:55what does it take for you to decide it is not separate from its a little better
0:19:00but it's not worth it to me vs I literally cannot tell the difference
0:19:04yeah I think so going back to the 31st so I was in the Apple Store today
0:19:10getting the second Apple TV for for this new television a previously met
0:19:16and and this was the first time I'd seen in person
0:19:21the new 27 inch iMac and even the 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro which is like
0:19:26five months old now but when it's it's it's been a while and I've been busy
0:19:33with no family and baby in winter stuff so I have and I haven't had any reason
0:19:38to go into an Apple store and pay attention to what was there until now
0:19:42and I think a couple things about the shock me one first of all the 27 inch
0:19:47iMac the screen is awesome it is the first Apple screen it is the first
0:19:54desktop screen has seen in years that I would consider owning because it really
0:19:58is far less reflective than the previous generation of giant 27 inch pieces of
0:20:04glass they've shipped as cinema displays and IMAX before this and it still is
0:20:08pleased so you know we talked about this this new construction they've had where
0:20:13they it's similar to the retina MacBook Pro this new construction weather like
0:20:17glue in the glass fusing in a certain way these infusion like one fewer glass
0:20:21layer them before something extra basically I know some scientific
0:20:26personnel tells you know the barrier for refractions a place of the angles light
0:20:31changes and changes against you get more internal reflection writes a big
0:20:34difference so unlike the previous generation of 15 inch MacBook Pros
0:20:38before the retinas I always hated those Larry reflective screens they were
0:20:43miserable I own one for a month returned it and then got the anti glare caused it
0:20:47it had just become an option but with the retina with that same kind of
0:20:52construction I think it's fine in the reflectivity of it has never really been
0:20:55an issue for me so yeah I can confirm that the 27 inch iMac has such
0:21:01dramatically reduced reflectivity from the previous one and from the same
0:21:04displays that not only would I buy one if i if I wanted an iMac not only would
0:21:09I not hesitate at all but the reflectivity but if Apple released a
0:21:13cinema display or fingers crossed a Retina display using that same
0:21:17construction I would buy the heartbeat did you did you have seen in IMAX a
0:21:21person who do you think that it had the same oh my god the pictures are on the
0:21:26surface of this place looks at the ready
0:21:28MacBook Pros house I didn't really get that from a but I was doing it at a
0:21:34further distance to such a bigger screen so I'm not really sure that would matter
0:21:37as much at that distance board is noticeable but I was looking for that so
0:21:41I don't know I feel like that is one of the most startling characteristics of
0:21:46the retina MacBook Pro screens is not so much just a resolution but that the that
0:21:51the color appears closer to the surface and that that to me is just a startling
0:21:56is the higher resolution and you know if using the glass obvious he's going to
0:22:00literally make the color car closer to the service I'm just not sure if it
0:22:03whatever that may be the glasses just dinner on the laptops or whatever but
0:22:08that as they can approach that it was just kind of something when the fused
0:22:12glass on the iPhone for whatever that brought in a little bit closer but I
0:22:17still like the first read an iPhone did not give me the startling impression
0:22:22that the first read MacBook Pro gave me of like the color being on the surface
0:22:25of it looking like some sort of mock-up that someone had me and with you know
0:22:30with layers of finally laid down paint on the surface of the screen pixels and
0:22:37and also an unsuspecting of soils 13 inch MacBook Pro and iPhone 2 15 inch
0:22:44since last summer so you know it's not like I'm not like totally amazed easily
0:22:50by Redmond stuff anymore cuz I have this awesome laptop but the 13 inch I looked
0:22:54at that you know what this is a fantastic computer and I picked it up it
0:22:58was it was light it was small I I tried the higher resolution screen modes cuz
0:23:04it one of the problems with 13 inch screen is at its base mode is it doubled
0:23:09version of only 1280 by 800 which is a pretty terrible screen resolution for us
0:23:15for space on the screen
0:23:17you really don't get much better that I bumped up and it goes to a simulated
0:23:201440 1688 and I found both of them surprisingly usable in the sixties
0:23:27that's that's pretty impressive that's not how I run the 15 most of the time
0:23:31you know i'm glad you brought that up because I did the same thing I did a
0:23:35very briefly in in granted this is based on a sum total of five minutes of use
0:23:39but I thought to myself to some wonder if the high res mode is livable and
0:23:43again my eyes are pretty terrible I can see my high res non retina MacBook Pro
0:23:4815 inch I read a macro pretty well but if you get me more than I don't know to
0:23:54three feet away things are getting blurry and i cant read anything and so I
0:23:58figured everything would be microscopic but I had the exact same impression and
0:24:01in fact I would even go so far as to say that if I were to buy a computer
0:24:05tomorrow after that five-minute experience but I would really consider
0:24:09doing is getting a 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro and just leaving it cranked
0:24:12up ninety percent of the time it's certainly a very compelling option and I
0:24:18struck me as I was there that here I was looking at these two models the 27 inch
0:24:24iMac and 13 retina MacBook Pro neither works particularly new at this point I
0:24:30mean the iMac is now three months old before even when it came out December
0:24:34officially so it's like four months old the retina MacBook Pro 13 is like six
0:24:40months old
0:24:41you know these things are not new at all and yet this is the first time I've seen
0:24:45them and I was so blown away by how good both of them where I I really thought
0:24:48like you know I'm or 15 inch guy but that's unusual just like I'm more of a
0:24:54Mac Pro guy and most people like IMAX and seems to computers taking that both
0:25:01of them are such awesome choices that I think the 27 inch iMac is by far the
0:25:07best all-in-one desktop I've ever seen in my life
0:25:13such a great choice it's so fast it's so capable it's so good fusion drive it's
0:25:18so good and that screen is incredible
0:25:21everything's great about the 39 of 40 very similar it's so good it's so fast
0:25:26it's small it's light I would much rather have that than a 13 inch MacBook
0:25:30Air and I love the MacBook Air and iPhone two of them
0:25:34screens now really looking yeah not good they were never good like the air
0:25:39screens never had good viewing angle they never had high contrast I knew what
0:25:43he wanted me back whenever now they just look they just embarrassing
0:25:46and and and the weight difference isn't that big between 13 and 11 sure that
0:25:51your only options the air that's a very different size but you know here was
0:25:55looking at these two awesome computers very easily could you say that that the
0:26:00iMac is the best I've ever made and the 38 right now is the best time ever made
0:26:05i mean that those are slightly arguable but only slightly
0:26:09it's a very these are two very awesome computers and yet I like I never even
0:26:16went to see them which to me five years ago it's an insane and the whole and the
0:26:23press mostly glossed over them you know they they were news for about a day each
0:26:27and and and and that was about it and like here we are with these awesome
0:26:32amazing models of Max and we don't care where samples and innovating and what it
0:26:38you know what I've done for us lately and we're complaining about iPhones not
0:26:42being big enough for having a new enough skin on the interface and all this crap
0:26:46and they're making things that even as recently as like three or four years ago
0:26:51we would have cared so much more about how great these new Mac models are and
0:26:57now we barely carried all I still care yet we still care but in the grand
0:27:03scheme of things the press the public especially the tech press which is
0:27:06disaster at this point with Apple but you know it they're making such amazing
0:27:12things it's like the Lucy Koh everything's amazing nobody's happy that
0:27:16that bit like they do not like I'm on a MacBook Pros people work have my work is
0:27:21finally buying Macs several years after I bought when i think is the first Mac
0:27:26into the company and so is one of the hottest people to get in some people are
0:27:29asking me for advice and one which max they could buy a laptop and it comes
0:27:34down to like should I get a MacBook Pro and air and you would think that's a
0:27:37no-brainer but I have been hesitant to recommend the current generation MacBook
0:27:44Pro retina that's what they're looking at looking at the standard res ones
0:27:47because of the four to two factors one is that the GPU can barely handle that
0:27:54screen to the max res and that will just take care of itself with the next CPU
0:27:58and chipset we all know
0:27:59GPUs right so like that makes me say okay that's a first generation thank you
0:28:04wanna be the first on your block damn thing you get it but it's not like it's
0:28:07it's not you know it's not a deal breaker but it's like you are at the at
0:28:12the ragged edge of what that GPU can handle the integrated so that's the
0:28:17reason the way and the second one is the guy who sit across from me got the 15
0:28:21inch and you know I saw firsthand the image retention issues that that screen
0:28:27had and I also saw firsthand his frustration at like would you take the
0:28:31Apple store they put the checkerboard pattern 15 minutes and if you don't see
0:28:34your attention by the block but like I saw it in daily use like you could see
0:28:38his mail window in the background when it was no longer there were happy
0:28:41routinely and in a way that would make me tear my hair out and so for those two
0:28:46reasons i picking up we know that the GPU on its gonna be solved NextGen so
0:28:51that's a reason to wait now I hope the next round maybe even some to 13 inch I
0:28:55know but I hope the next round of display as they get will not have an
0:28:59engine issue because Apple does have a policy like to have their lower
0:29:02checkerboard testing if your thing they also they give you a new screen but it's
0:29:06like it's not it's not a manufacturing defect that's just the nature of the
0:29:10screen and I think they've sort of constructed a test that like will
0:29:13replace the ones that exhibit at the worst but they're all gonna exhibited to
0:29:16some degree make sure you have you seen this Marco on your screen back when
0:29:21everyone was discovered missing last summer and fall I actually made my own
0:29:25little tester for it on a web page and we can go to forget the Euro helpful and
0:29:32entertaining and you know it shows checkerboard that the for like five
0:29:35minutes then turns off and goes to grab whatever and you can see and so when I
0:29:39run this test on and I can see the artifacts art and artifacts but I've
0:29:42never seen them any kind of regular use it so I minor case of it and so enjoy it
0:29:49for me to go through the hassle of getting it repaired and going without
0:29:53things like I don't think you'd end up with a better screen in fact you could
0:29:56possibly end up with the worst one because I don't think it's like I said
0:29:58it's not a manufacturing defects just that's just the way this particular crop
0:30:02of the generation of screens is he had the worst were like the checkerboard
0:30:05wasn't wasn't the worst thing the worst things seem to be
0:30:08I don't know who's this particular shades of gray hair color is about
0:30:11particular windows that were on screen for a long time those with stake in the
0:30:15checkerboard for just faintly visible but you could like clearly see you know
0:30:19the Compu some other window like it's quite pure white and black may not be
0:30:25the thing that sets it off you can see the checkerboard is too but like all
0:30:29that makes me think like these are first generation models in in so many respects
0:30:35and if you could possibly wait what I told everybody is like here in the pros
0:30:38and cons that screen is gonna look way better than the air screen this great
0:30:42care is gonna be way lighter than that fifteen-inch you know thing that you're
0:30:45considering if you can possibly wait until the next round of prose you did
0:30:49you make it is it is also way faster and like this there are many advantages but
0:30:55like it's it's a toss up because I really do love my eyes got the 13 inch
0:31:00and I really do like the air despite the terrible screen I really do all the
0:31:04advantages of it like it's a dead heat between shoulda by Rainer shoulda
0:31:08shoulda by not so I feel like I rarely recommend like totally don't buy the
0:31:15first generation but in many cases it's been true like if you had sworn somebody
0:31:19off the first generation time book that was the right decision and I feel like
0:31:23warning people off the first generation of these 2 1513 but the first generation
0:31:2815 inch MacBook Pro or any people often that is the right call at this point I
0:31:33mean early not visit the mondaq get it fine but like I feel like it's to
0:31:38compromise where is the iMac for I don't think there's any reason to be warned
0:31:41often that I feel like it's a it's a next iteration of amateur attack that
0:31:44doesn't have any of these drawbacks except that we're looking bulge in the
0:31:48back and as you know all thumbs up so I'm I'm patiently waiting for the next
0:31:52round as I'm you know I'm sure the next round of not process going to be like
0:31:55all that's the one to get I just hope they saw the screen because I'm
0:31:58particularly sensitive to visual screen issues like I got my my 22 inch Apple
0:32:04Cinema Display the moment a little clearer on the side Alain Juppe like the
0:32:08first big one dead pixels were big thing on that when I was like please let me
0:32:12get a display that doesn't have any dead pixels are least likely not see the dead
0:32:16pixels I had my ability to not look
0:32:18for them I don't want to see him just don't tell me that but I immediately saw
0:32:23my like two hot pixels and they were not within the range that would replace it
0:32:27he said that monitor is really expensive that that would drive me crazy I i've
0:32:32been very lucky to have never had a dead pixel and I used actively so I'm very
0:32:37happy about that but that would drive me nuts or stuck pixels P right just as bad
0:32:43but you know I think I disagree with you about about holding off on the current
0:32:46generation right now I guess timing was you know that these were released last
0:32:51June or the 50 most recent June this 31 October something that so you know now
0:32:58we're all kinda mid-cycle especially with the 15 it's almost too late to be
0:33:03buying one now and I guess is that the house will update this coming summer /
0:33:08fall that's probably going to be the next CPUs that's probably when the dates
0:33:13so as well does from from the the tech news area has a pretty major update and
0:33:23so it's probably gonna be worth waiting for you can but besides just cycle
0:33:27timing reasons I don't think there is there are major reasons why I would
0:33:31recommend against the current generation retinas I agree with you that the GPU is
0:33:36really really at at its boundary and and that that can be occasionally bad like
0:33:43especially if you run at the upscale resolutions if you're on the 15 if you
0:33:47run at the simulated 1924 the scene at sixty you know you will see slow slow
0:33:53scrolling on certain things you will see that you when I feel like that's
0:33:57inexcusable like you're buying their top of the line model it should scroll like
0:34:00butter and it is great it's only money to the skeptical so I understand ok
0:34:07that's not ideal but most people are not going to change its so I would not
0:34:16recommend against it solely for that and so I don't know why I think
0:34:22I would recommend air if you don't care about the screen but you know most
0:34:26people don't because a year ago saying the 13 a chair is the best computer ever
0:34:30made because it was at the time and all these options are so good i mean they're
0:34:35really there used to be even even as recently as like three or four years ago
0:34:40they used to be models in the lineup that you would say oh you really really
0:34:45shouldn't buy that one and now I feel you look at the lineup and there's
0:34:49there's very few of those I would say the only ones that I should that I would
0:34:53recommend people definitely don't buy would be the the cheapo 13 inch old
0:34:59model the thirty nation on retina MacBook Pro which is very popular
0:35:05released was very popular before the right number but I think it still is the
0:35:10optical drive write it has everything its chief as an optical drive and as you
0:35:14know firewire like it has all the drives imports and it's cheap and it has
0:35:19spinning disk hard drive so that keep it cheap also like it's a way to get a
0:35:23bunch of stuff for really very little money I think I 1200 bucks to start so
0:35:29it is very very cheap and so it's hard for a lot of people to justify the
0:35:34premiums or the compromises from the other models however that model has the
0:35:38worst screen I've ever seen in a laptop in the last five years and the fact
0:35:43they're still shipping a 13 inch laptop with a 1280 by 800 screen which is
0:35:49roughly the same pixel area as the 11 inch MacBook Air it's a similar
0:35:54resolution but not quite there were 11 inches wider and shorter but similar
0:35:57that's inexcusable to me and it's such a terrible resolution and other than that
0:36:04though there really like you can get pretty much any model and be fine even
0:36:09if you get that one you don't care about the screen space then you're fine too I
0:36:13get there aren't really any models that have like dramatically too little RAM
0:36:18stock or some major flaw you know a lot of the 13 inch the 13 inch nylon resin
0:36:26seeped around thing it's
0:36:30400 rpm spinning disk at this point is not like I that model is just on the
0:36:37borderline of herding Apple's reputation if you like because the experience of
0:36:42using that and using given even the cheapest air you can get is like night
0:36:45and day just because of the SSD like anything with spinning disk especially a
0:36:49slow I'm assuming there are 400 rpm drug problem that is not that's not the
0:36:54experience to the rest of us are having with our Macs and be like they feel like
0:36:58they are left out of you know that's not what it's like when we use our computers
0:37:02you know you're stuck with Wayne million years and seeing the beach ball and apps
0:37:06taken years to launch in Stockton maybe that's acceptable to them but it's a
0:37:09shame like it doesn't make give people because once you step up to that SSD
0:37:14experience there's no going back
0:37:16I can really changes that you were to go back to see what's wrong with this
0:37:20computer icon bouncing on the dock so much why is this is relaunching safari
0:37:25in opening its five windows taking year and a day all spinning disk just know
0:37:30it's no good so I really hope those things either get a SSD is relieved the
0:37:35line ASAP but like what would you recommend somebody by if they if they
0:37:40want a reasonably priced Apple laptop you know where their value as a priority
0:37:45for them and also storage space is there is a priority for them cuz that's the
0:37:50problem with the SSDs is that there is no way to get cheap large as D story I
0:37:55feel like the areas of cross that threshold and now it was reinforced to
0:37:58me when I had a neighbor come over here and she had an old laptop it was like I
0:38:03was it the old white MacBooks yeah the white MacBook and and she was looking to
0:38:10get a new on and I was telling her about the options you can get an error and
0:38:13they have a sixties but they're smaller and more expensive and blah blah blah
0:38:16blah blah blah no optical drive the parts the whole nine yards and just like
0:38:21you know it took the size of my stuff whatever so I should look at her machine
0:38:25and see how bigger iPhoto library is it was nine gigabytes yeah that is thing
0:38:30you can get this thing with a 250 gigabyte SSD for not that much money and
0:38:36take them is what stock now you're fine like I think we've crossed we present
0:38:42our children 13 shares still might go to Mac and I that's another machine I want
0:38:46people off I said don't don't get the 13 inch non-runner you get it get an air
0:38:51your stuff will fit you'll be fine and like i mean obviously I tell them off
0:38:55limits to how much the check when I'm always amazed at how little stuff people
0:39:00have angry and it's funny you bring up the sixties worth of discussion because
0:39:05I remember I don't know what it was but marco was one of the first people I knew
0:39:09that was going on
0:39:11humongous grants are happy rants and evangelizing SSDs now I was I would look
0:39:17at these prices and think Oh my god they can be worth it it's just it can't be
0:39:21that much quicker it's it's it's so little space for so much money on wanna
0:39:24do it so I had and have a 15 inch antique IRA's anti-glare MacBook Pro
0:39:30with the platter in it and then work got me basically the exact same machine and
0:39:35then immediately put a nasty and then put the platter and an external
0:39:41enclosure and now that that's happened I almost never use my personal machine
0:39:47with Plateau Dr because it's unusable to exactly what you said John I can't use
0:39:52it it's so slow nothing happens if I'm using the computer really what I'm doing
0:39:56is waiting for the computer and occasionally getting something useful
0:40:00done in the ten seconds at the hard drive isn't seeking for something else
0:40:04to do
0:40:05it's unusable so if there's anyone listening that is as cheap as I am and
0:40:09doesn't think analysist is worth it I can assure you you're wrong and you
0:40:13should get one and it will change your world people could be in my situation
0:40:15where I am I do have a lot of did a lot of computer packrat type thing you know
0:40:19where you keep a lot of stuff you have a lot of movies lot of photos and it just
0:40:23doesn't fit system in the first SSD I bought was 480 gigabytes to tell you
0:40:28about my threshold was before I cities cities became came viable for me 'cause
0:40:33forget about hundred 28226 now I just this not it's pointless for me to get to
0:40:37dissolve before fusion drive but at this point you know for my next match my all
0:40:44my stuff won't fit on a society and even if you can drive didn't exist I would
0:40:49still say okay for the next match just gonna go as St and figure out how to do
0:40:53my own with tiered storage thing but with Fusion Drive it's a no-brainer I
0:40:57mean people have a choice in this fantasy going away but like we are we
0:41:02are past the point where even the most conservative person with the most data
0:41:05should have an SSD somewhere in the mix in whatever next machine there by like
0:41:10it's we've we've cleared that hurdle in for regular people I think we could have
0:41:14much sooner than I had thought I didn't realize how little data people have her
0:41:18maybe they delete stuff the photos of your kids I don't know nine gigabyte
0:41:23seem small with my hundred-plus gigabyte iPhoto library of my two kids over the
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0:41:33shall not sure I don't have a fancy camera this is uncertain jpegs room
0:41:37ready point and shoot camera has a distinct too many you had a hundred
0:41:40jpegs yes that's impressive that that's really impressive I don't delete enough
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0:44:05that's pretty great so I want to mention about my mall trip today before I move
0:44:10on I also stopped down at the Microsoft Store on the way out because I mean
0:44:15c'mon you have to because you love that place so much have to be fair and
0:44:20balanced you know you're there we read what you said about us fortunately they
0:44:25didn't recognize me they did however remember how I had the picture of the
0:44:30windows 8 letters and the floor and had to have a guy stationed there tell
0:44:33people what step over them their fix that problem now by by putting up big
0:44:38lake floor to ceiling glass strips that that attacks at the floor level to those
0:44:44letters and so now it's like a big sign and that was probably always the plan
0:44:48these wasn't done in time when I was there so now they no longer have to have
0:44:51an employee stationed there to tell them one step over them so that's a progress
0:44:54at sea know when they update
0:44:58and one that I noticed immediately that the store first of all it was empty but
0:45:02that said I was there on a Wednesday at like one o'clock in the afternoon so I
0:45:07can't I can't fault them for that the tire Lehigh mall traffic time as far as
0:45:12I know but the mood in the store among the employees because they are the only
0:45:18ones there was so low-key in when I was there for the surface RT launch which is
0:45:24also I believe the store's grand opening or very close to it
0:45:28employees were really like energized and you could tell they had all been like
0:45:33jazzed up by some training exercise to be all high energy and and high pressure
0:45:39and he let me show you this cool thing the surface RT can do you know all that
0:45:42stuff today there was none of that it was it was like a funeral home in there
0:45:46there were like there were only eight employees standing around doing nothing
0:45:49I don't know what the staff is that bigger probably shouldn't be the
0:45:52Microsoft is really good at wasting money so maybe maybe that's just have to
0:45:56figure out the retail think quite yet but wait overstaffed but the salesman
0:46:02came over to me and I guess the one guy who designed the next walk-in as
0:46:07everyone else around he came over use like can I help you with anything that
0:46:12was poorly drab no energy at all just looking around
0:46:16ok and he just like understood he walked away it was so so different from the
0:46:25last time I was there and
0:46:27so much less energy and what i really what I went in there to see was the
0:46:32surface pro hadn't seen that in person yet and I was curious about and they
0:46:37don't make it easy to find the store still had a lot of surface RT's in like
0:46:43the main middle like when you first walk into tables you see those two have
0:46:47surface RT's but it was way fewer than before they fill the rest of the story
0:46:51up with Windows phones and other laptops and other people's tablets things like
0:46:57from Samsung and Toshiba
0:46:58like all their partners they're filling up the store with their stuff so that
0:47:02the surface is actually being significantly d emphasizing the stories
0:47:07I thought was interesting how big the right move didn't sign that well but
0:47:11interesting nonetheless and then kind of a shame for them and and the big thing
0:47:14was the surface pro there was no sign for it there is no big demo of a surface
0:47:20pro being a school laptop that is like a tablet there was nothing like that it
0:47:24was there were two table side by side of surface RT's with four tablets on each
0:47:29of them on one of them one of those tablets was surface pro and the only way
0:47:34you could tell was to look at little like tag on each one to see a little
0:47:39lost an upside to see what each one was and there was no calling out of this
0:47:46thing is actually something kind of interesting that you might want to look
0:47:49at you might wanna know about you know relative to ever get a laptop that this
0:47:53is interesting
0:47:54noting that office service pro there was only one of them as far as I could tell
0:47:58the whole story these
0:47:59I could find and so I thought it was it was weird that it looks like Microsoft
0:48:05has already given up on the surface honestly and maybe that's not true but
0:48:08that's how it looks in the retail store first gen surface Pro is con is like a
0:48:13sacrificial lamb because they know the surface pro they don't they
0:48:19the power envelope for the the processors they can fit in that thing
0:48:22it's not great battery life is not grades under by like that's like to get
0:48:27something out of the second generation service pro should be significantly more
0:48:30interesting as a as a complete product rather than just curiosity I hope so
0:48:36really does what the store looked like to me you the first time when there is
0:48:39it was very service
0:48:41too heavy and that was interesting and and I think the surface RT was was a
0:48:45more successful product then they could have kept the story that way and that
0:48:50would have had a lot of long-term value for them now though the Microsoft Store
0:48:54doesn't really have any value of like a Best Buy just a whole bunch of computers
0:48:58from different people on a row kinda haphazardly laid out nothing really call
0:49:02attention to more than the others saw it here buyer walking in there who doesn't
0:49:07already know you're looking for
0:49:09there's not a lot of reasons it's not very welcoming its not that it isn't a
0:49:14very good like cold like first time experience to go in there anymore
0:49:19because it's using as to why you should be in there and that of any other
0:49:23computer store it still has far fewer products than a Best Buy and that is
0:49:27advantageous because if you if someone goes into a Best Buy you are salted on
0:49:32all sides by a million flashing blinking things only some of which are tablet
0:49:37computers only so much for Microsoft right you going to the Microsoft Store
0:49:41even though they carry all those other things you're not gonna look at the TV
0:49:44is you're not going to look at the washing machines you're not going to
0:49:47look through the racks of DVDs and blu-rays or whatever you're not going to
0:49:51you know you're going to you're gonna look at tablets and there's going to be
0:49:55a variety of them and they're emphasizing the fact that we have
0:49:57tablets that are kinda like PCs but kinda like tablets and so at the very
0:50:01least until like tell their leases are up on the historic they get some benefit
0:50:07of making people aware that Microsoft just created this product it's like an
0:50:11iPad but you can use like a Windows computer and the most recent thing
0:50:15that's brought it up on my radar and others come up on your radar is the guy
0:50:20guy picked up a service pro and tried using it for sketching and he wrote this
0:50:24review of it on the site and that's an application that like the car makers and
0:50:30automatic not and not doing what you do why did Microsoft emphasized that wanted
0:50:37to show people dancing and cleaning the stupid keyboard not that artists are
0:50:42like a big market heiko finally we have the hardest thing but he was interested
0:50:46in it because he heard it has a stylist and it's a Windows computer as a
0:50:49pressure-sensitive stylus and its portable and you've been drawn into
0:50:52unlike the iPad you don't have to use like a capacitive stylus type of thing
0:50:56and so as an artist is like he tried sketching on the iPad into wasn't you
0:51:01know what you want PCs used to like a Wacom tablet or Wacom announced that the
0:51:06Centex which is a different experience in using this beard stubble capacitor
0:51:09things and special pressure sensitive and everything so is it ok I'll try this
0:51:14link so it was you know you could sketch with it it was small and portable right
0:51:19system software issues because Photoshop doesn't support it with the pressure
0:51:22sensitive and stuff like that but it was a viable thing they're doing a bunch of
0:51:26comments with it and the second thing was since he's a gamer his comments
0:51:29about gaming you can play Windows games on it because it's a Windows computer
0:51:33and install steam download a bunch of games play games and also use it for
0:51:38sketching and there has never been any device like that where you can do those
0:51:42two things are even you know one of those things can you play PC games on
0:51:47something so small doesn't even have a keyboard like you know just a tiny touch
0:51:50screen and can you use something schedule like a tablet with a stylist
0:51:54that's an interesting angle it's not a mainstream angled not going to sell an
0:51:59item like that but why wasn't there even one at emphasizing that because just
0:52:03just this one you know semi famous person's post about this and getting
0:52:06passed around read it and hacker news and stuff like that it has produced buzz
0:52:09about the surface pro day terribly compromise poor battery life really
0:52:13thick fan blows hot air in your hand you know first generation device that
0:52:18Microsoft can seem to figure out what was interesting unique about and here's
0:52:23one just one thing I'm sure there are other things that are you thinking about
0:52:25it too that just it's a shame that Microsoft is not it's game on this yeah
0:52:32it is your right that's something that Apple is not going to address that as
0:52:37far as we can tell they're not going to address pressure-sensitive resistant
0:52:41resistant touchscreens anytime soon if ever you know that's a major market
0:52:45where like that actually matters a lot if you if you want to sketch on an iPad
0:52:50it's gonna be way way better on a surface that screen and a concert was
0:52:56obviously like that's a major difference and yeah you're right they don't didn't
0:53:00want to do with that they they instead ignore that in their marketing and and
0:53:03Gran Torino others not everybody wants to sketch but I feel like there are
0:53:07enough things about the surface pro that make it different from an iPad that
0:53:12Microsoft could be showing in their ads and could be pushing the marketing and
0:53:16they're just not there they're trying to make it cool and hip and I can't imagine
0:53:19it ever will be a pic to one they pick the attachable keyboard and that is a
0:53:23distinctive thing but the chiro other there are other distinctive things about
0:53:27it and like it so they may have a product they did so well in
0:53:31differentiating like it really is a differentiated products and not a
0:53:35wannabe iPad like it's not like the Nexus 7 or something like that but good
0:53:39like it's it's really differentiated by Ken may be due to too much like the
0:53:44style is it runs Windows it's got the desktop you can attach keeper maybe
0:53:47that's too much but those are shared those are things that you can hang your
0:53:51hat on an ad campaign and get the pic to one of them and kind of glad that it had
0:53:57explained it just kind of clicks on a quickie thing like I know this is a
0:54:01multi-stage campaign and it's gonna kick in with the other benefits later they
0:54:05didn't know why people want to use them still waiting for that sixty-two kicking
0:54:08our third or fourth when they have software problems to Windows 8 is kind
0:54:12of a hodgepodge you know like it they don't have the total package but I think
0:54:18there's enough there that would be really sad if that effort of this type
0:54:23of product goes away because I really think there is definitely a place for
0:54:26this type of program really I was I was proud of Microsoft they didn't do what
0:54:31Google did and just make like I wanna be iPad you know yeah they they really did
0:54:36do something different i mean that's with Windows Phone people have said that
0:54:40and with as a people I mean it really is different it doesn't look like a total
0:54:45ripoff of something else the way Android does honestly and I know we're gonna
0:54:50hear from people but not me
0:54:51Android looks yes it has done some original things but it has ripped off so
0:54:56much from from other operating systems mostly iOS that you kind of feel that
0:55:02the whole way through this is kind of a cheaper boss whereas Windows Phone
0:55:05actually feels dramatically different in most ways in most certainly more ways
0:55:11than Android does and and there's a lot of them a lot of good and bad I mean so
0:55:15but also while I was there they have devoted a lot of their store space now
0:55:21to Windows Phone which is probably wise as Windows Phone has a pretty poor
0:55:26retail presence otherwise as a Microsoft stores it was a problem if you go into
0:55:30Verizon store and you asked for last year when his phone there try to talk
0:55:35you out of it and then try to talk you into an Android phone you know they get
0:55:40better from arising from an Android phone for a few reasons so winners as
0:55:44always had issues at cell phone retail with Windows 8 and and so now I should
0:55:50Microsoft Windows sorry so I could use in their stores in apush Windows Phone
0:55:55aggressively and that's that's wise so I got a chance to use them to look at them
0:55:59and first of all I think it's worth mentioning that every Windows Phone they
0:56:05had in the store had at least what looked like a four and a half inch
0:56:09diagonal screen it was huge
0:56:11every Windows Phone looked massive and it most of them with the Nokia 920 and
0:56:16there were a few that the HTC eight or something like that so much that I don't
0:56:22know people who know when his phone models in there were some Samsung things
0:56:25and and some miscellaneous Windows Phone objects and mostly the Nokia 100 and all
0:56:34of them are huge and I feel like you know in our previous discussions about a
0:56:38potentially large iPhone in the future I feel it more than ever
0:56:44Apple needs to do this because you look at any other line up of cell of
0:56:49smartphones in any other store in a Verizon store in a Microsoft Store if
0:56:54you can actually find one of those buttino any cell phone store you look at
0:56:56the lineup and the iPhone looks really small and not necessarily good way I
0:57:01look small by comparison and you know while while we can look at them we nerds
0:57:06a lot of times at least we can look at them and say oh it's great it's my
0:57:10pocket better you know I don't wanna phone that big the fact is those other
0:57:14phones look like they're better in a store and its similar you know we talked
0:57:18about TVs earlier the house TVs as john you've you've really raised about they
0:57:23always have these ridiculous settings in the stores to have to attract people in
0:57:26the store even though
0:57:27in real life they're they're better off not having that kind of setting a better
0:57:31off having something else or are different priorities are different
0:57:34different levels of things that doesn't matter in in sales you know it if people
0:57:41are seeing all these phones that are a little bit too big for their pockets
0:57:46they don't really realize that this is the time to buy it they see a nice big
0:57:51screen it looks really good and it's it's gotta be really hard for Apple to
0:57:56keep competing with when it's the smallest phone there and has a small
0:58:01screen there that that they're gonna be some people who were gonna buy it for
0:58:04that because it's small and sleek and thin and light in your pocket but I feel
0:58:08that number is really small compared to the number of people who are going to be
0:58:12swayed towards larger fun devices just cause they look nicer in the store I
0:58:19really to be honest I don't have anything to add because I just don't
0:58:23have any interest in a bigger phone and I know and that's the thing is anytime I
0:58:29say don't have interest in something I end up getting it in under three years
0:58:32later see you like you have no interest in a bit of all the things like that
0:58:36which rose to you how I guess just 19
0:58:40typically the more negative my reaction is to something the more I end up
0:58:44falling in love with it later take max take my iPhone take my BMW I mean these
0:58:50are all things that I poo pooed in years past and now couldn't imagine living
0:58:54with living without so my asst another great example so the fact that I'm
0:58:59saying is probably a good sign that in a in a few months because I am due to
0:59:04upgrade this year's in a few months when the seven-inch iPhone comes out in force
0:59:08to get it cause it's the only wanted and then I get it I say to you guys holy God
0:59:12you will not believe how awesome the seven-inch iPhone is I can't put in my
0:59:14pocket it's looks like a break when I'm actually talking on the phone but oh man
0:59:19I can get so much done on that screen is bigger than 9 2009 when he looked
0:59:24ridiculously large in a store it look and and I i picked it up and I held my
0:59:31hand with the joint security blanket the back but still I picked it up and you
0:59:34know this is this
0:59:36it's too big for me but not by a massive amount like it could be a little bit
0:59:42smaller than that and still be substantially larger than the iPhone 5
0:59:45and it would be fine for my pocket and you know a lot of us in tech you know we
0:59:50will see dismissive things like well you know I don't wanna I wanna Mac Pro but
0:59:56for other people
0:59:57the IMAX file it's always about the other people and it's generally not
1:00:01agree attitude to have you don't understand you know what about something
1:00:05is great and you can dismiss it as well somebody will find a use for this but
1:00:09with the big but the bigger phones I think honestly I would probably get a
1:00:13bigger iPhone if they had like I like the bigger screen on the iPhone 5 and if
1:00:18they could make one even bigger than that while still maintaining a
1:00:21reasonable pocket-sized the phone and I i do things a lot of middle ground
1:00:25between 15 and 29 2010 a lot of middle ground there and have made a bigger
1:00:31phone I'm not just saying that I think it would say well I'm saying I might
1:00:34pick that one even if it had the same resolution as the iPhone 5 and the
1:00:39pixels bigger even than I would still probably pick the bigger one I've been
1:00:43asking friends that same question I've been saying so Apple comes out with a
1:00:48slightly bigger phone and they keep selling the iPhone 5 size one which one
1:00:54would you get and then like the modifier questions ok does one of the resolutions
1:00:58the same whatever the resolution is different to that change your calculus
1:01:01and I've been getting about fifty fifty with people saying that they would stick
1:01:05with the iPhone 5 size and they would get the bigger one you know people are
1:01:08actually gonna do and I think at this point they the Super Apple nerds I'm
1:01:13talking to her if anything biased toward sticking with the iPhone 5 have because
1:01:17they really liked it and I'm giving them a hypothetical the product doesn't exist
1:01:21but I think the outlook for sales of the larger phone even among a super tech
1:01:28nerds look pretty bright yeah definitely I would say the same thing and I have
1:01:33been asked anybody cuz I'm not that much of a nerd John but I really do think you
1:01:39know I can see not only do I see this as I guess somebody might want that
1:01:44I see this as I would actually want that to a degree you know depends on how to
1:01:49do it of course but you know I don't think I don't think it being the same
1:01:53resolution are not really matter that much in the grand scheme of things I
1:01:56don't think it really matters it would matter to a few weeks but it definitely
1:02:00matters but it's not a deal breaker I don't think but it did it's one of those
1:02:05things where it's going to be one of those that can go back things where it's
1:02:09annoying you're gonna hate it cuz you can have to redo your layouts for your
1:02:12apps and everything but then once you get that thing in and see how much more
1:02:18stuff you can see even if it's just like one extra little sliver of stuff it
1:02:21makes little it will make a difference 10 yeah actually use that space as long
1:02:28as they don't straighten you want then you go back to you it's like when you go
1:02:30back to the iPhone 4 size screen hour for and you feel like we're the rest of
1:02:35the screen go and it's not that big of a difference I got one centimeter little
1:02:38strip but the bottle indicated it is not that big of a difference but it's not
1:02:43there it just feels like your world has been truncated you know so I i think
1:02:48it'll be the same effect even if we just get an extra sliver pixel there you know
1:02:52I mean maybe maybe 1080p is the inevitable that like no fighting that
1:02:59resolution because it's such a comedian matchup with television screens which is
1:03:02basically means who cares if it's magic TV screens but just like one of those
1:03:05things like stock markets around numbers may just be that that's ballpark of how
1:03:11you get a reasonable size iPhone it's not jug antic but not too small and you
1:03:17get around you know 400 something dpi can you fit attend a tu mama just just
1:03:22go to 1080 I don't think Apple will go to 1080p but like us while the Android
1:03:26phones are doing you can see the attraction to it like it that's that's
1:03:29lots into it may be a little bit higher maybe having like 500 dpi maybe that's
1:03:34crazy maybe you know maybe doesn't work out but that is that seems to be the
1:03:38sweet spot for these super high-end Android phones Apple is going to be
1:03:41smaller than that
1:03:42that and maybe not even this generation but that's that's where I think things
1:03:47are going well I don't I don't think the resolution of the center for the matters
1:03:50that much honestly as we said earlier people don't really see right now that
1:03:53much like on average most people don't really notice a difference as far as we
1:03:57can tell a lot of people don't I think whether your screen is 300 dpi or 500
1:04:03dpi there's almost nobody will tell the difference the the big events there is
1:04:09definitely you know in marketing and spec comparison things like that
1:04:11certainly that's that helps both Android has received the market most people
1:04:16don't buy on spec comparisons with Android they buy on how it looks in the
1:04:21store
1:04:22dealing at retail you know there are some people who buy the specs but not
1:04:26most likely they're still using you know a lot of them using the OLED screen
1:04:32stellar and some of them are still I think people are people still using that
1:04:35pentile thing we don't even have real pics I hope he doesn't like all these
1:04:40things that cost saving things because they have this likely they'll compete on
1:04:45price by giving you a lower quality screen that is talked about selling a
1:04:48retina how hard it is to sell rent or regular people trying to sell people
1:04:53like color saturation and contrast and viewing angles that is you know and we
1:04:59appreciate that Apple cares about those things and its display is its monitors
1:05:03and it's you know handheld devices other people do not yell yeah definitely
1:05:07and so like I i hope i buy hold the line on that but that's like that's one of
1:05:13the boat anchors at that dragged behind them as they attempt to compete we will
1:05:17continue to hold our screens like you know our screens are bigger but they're
1:05:21better that's what we keep saying this is the best screen involve a blind like
1:05:24it really is really nice green but now you have to drag me behind you as you
1:05:27try to compete on price on power on on resolution on all those things that you
1:05:33want to compete on while still not sinking to their level in terms of loud
1:05:38just give me high dpi resolution and good enough yet so I had a topic I
1:05:46wanted to ask you guys about if you need a review of something more pressing I'm
1:05:53actually it may end up this is a thirty second thing
1:05:56but I'm really intrigued by the garage band released today and its support for
1:06:02ya so for those of you who may not know what that this is about so Apple
1:06:11obviously has a garage band app for iOS and a few months ago I don't remember
1:06:17exactly when some group of people came up with this app called audio bus and
1:06:22the general premise of it was you can chain audio sources together it such
1:06:28that different apps on your iPad or iPhone game one can feed audio into
1:06:34another which can filter it can feed audio into something else or at least
1:06:38that's my understanding the premise and this is really interesting because it's
1:06:41in her apt communication in a way that really shouldn't be allowed and I think
1:06:48my understanding and three guys feel free to write me my understanding of how
1:06:50this works as its combination of background audio API the the apps
1:06:55allowing audio to be mixed so if you think about like when you have
1:06:58navigation on and music on you know you can still hear the navigation while the
1:07:03music is on and additionally apparently it's a local network protocols well as
1:07:08far as I understood is that at least reasonably accurate at a high level I
1:07:12said I don't even know what how they're doing I mean I assume back on audio is
1:07:15involved to let them run indefinitely but I i mean they're not using URL
1:07:20scheme that's for sure so I think they are in part but not not correct right
1:07:27right so anyway so the latest version of GarageBand actually works with audio bus
1:07:33and has included they use the audio bus SDK to do it and this to me is extremely
1:07:39interesting because for a couple reasons firstly it's Apple getting on board with
1:07:43a community community but a third party framework for lack of a better term and
1:07:50I think that's very interesting and and I'm hoping that between you guys you can
1:07:54point me to other examples of where this has happened the only one I can think of
1:07:57is there a bastardized version of all the refresh
1:08:01but otherwise I couldn't personally think of any examples of this and I'll
1:08:04give you a chance and second to crack me when I thought that was interesting but
1:08:08the other thing I thought was interesting and here's another sort of
1:08:12tacit admission that inter-process communication is is it isn't it's a need
1:08:17in iOS and something they need and something that we are we're all going to
1:08:20want going forward and i know we've talked in the past about what was remote
1:08:25view controllers and Wii people had discovered a few months ago when I was
1:08:29six and I this both excites me in the sense that Apple's getting more on board
1:08:35within a process communication but it also scares me a little of that there it
1:08:39seems to me if they had a really awesome fix for this problem coming in Iowa 7
1:08:45wouldn't they have held this update to leverage that new thing is I think it's
1:08:52something entirely different but actually I had an interesting idea when
1:08:56he talked about this a little research on the show but I don't know if you have
1:09:00ever seen this but apparently there exists I'm told stereo equipment like I
1:09:07guess presumably high-end stereo equipment that has firmware and update
1:09:11the firmware on the stereo equipment you put into special CD to the manufacturer
1:09:14gives you and you play the audio CD and then it interprets these sounds as you
1:09:20know the firmware update itself so this audio bus now we don't have to interact
1:09:27communication but once everyone can listen on the audio bus if you can
1:09:31encode the data that you want to transfer between applications as audio
1:09:34and decoded on the other end there is no reason why you can't pass arbitrary
1:09:39structures including no in memory objects or anything else you could
1:09:42possibly want to do it for interact communication entirely through audio
1:09:46provided you could move the speakers for am sure Apple would love to try to
1:09:50approve your application if you choose to do in terms of communication that
1:09:53this is the reason I don't think it's like they've held this because this is
1:09:58not really interact communication this is really shared access to like audio
1:10:02resources it's more like it's more like I like multiple application sharing like
1:10:07the proximity sensor like 11 sound good
1:10:11application to the audio system the fact that another application can pick up
1:10:14that sound intercepted and before it gets through the rest of the audio
1:10:17system using the background and stuff that is barely interactive communication
1:10:23that's more like it emits more like an existing background API's for some small
1:10:29part of your application can still be running and see what's going on in this
1:10:32morning's going on systems and other things putting audio input into the
1:10:35audio subsystem will let you get it before it goes out the speaker in a man
1:10:38but that is a far cry from WI when I'm not running 10 case you you said you
1:10:44looked at it briefly and it sounds like the way it works is vile local network
1:10:48communication right it's not isn't over over audio buses itself it isn't it over
1:10:53local network and that's again I read into a very briefly and candidly I'm
1:10:58probably getting this totally wrong that's why this is also a casual but I i
1:11:05believe there that somebody had said that there was a network components have
1:11:09to see if I can get this link
1:11:11look it up so I i think there's there's three things about this i really
1:11:16interesting that that make us an interesting one is that it's totally
1:11:22possible at all with IOUs today you know cuz the problem with iOS you can do
1:11:27anything you want in a partner in the background for 10 minutes and then you
1:11:31hit your time and your killed or or suspended so be killed way before then
1:11:36if someone wants the game and that's true so you know and when Apple
1:11:41introduced multitasking with iOS four they they announce these like you know
1:11:44five or six you know officially sanctioned and technically allowed
1:11:49methods to keep running in the background indefinitely or periodically
1:11:54and and one of those is background audio and so it's kind of a fluke that ok so
1:12:01we have a need for apps to work together for more than 10 minutes in the audio
1:12:06business that's just kind of lucked out that audio happens to be one of the
1:12:10things I was to run for longer than that and in the other makes an impressive is
1:12:16it is it is technically possible at all to share a substantial amount of data
1:12:21between apps without switching back and forth URL schemes
1:12:24themselves wouldn't would have issues with lots and lots of data flowing
1:12:27through them so he said you know yet whether it's whether it's like shared
1:12:32Core Audio buses or or network communication so sort of let me read you
1:12:38a couple of very brief things the first which is less reliable is a post on
1:12:42Stack Overflow which is the accepted answer to the question of basically how
1:12:47does this work and i'm quoting now my guess is that they use some sort of
1:12:53audio over network because I've seen log statements when our apt get started even
1:12:56on a different device don't really know about the details of the implementation
1:12:59but this could be a way of setting up staying in a sandbox constraint I don't
1:13:04know this Lee with with Core Audio I know a little bit more audio and as far
1:13:09as I know I don't think you can create any kind of shared between apps using
1:13:15the audio frameworks III on iOS device you have to create a virtual device it
1:13:20wouldn't be an issue of being a being piped to the speaker will be an issue of
1:13:23you even having access to any other apps created audio devices and and and then
1:13:28so it's not core audio based probably isn't if it is based on local networking
1:13:33then that's interesting too because I don't think people have really besides
1:13:38this I don't think people have really explored in her application potential of
1:13:42just opening up a local web server or a local socket and communicating over
1:13:47local host to some other app I don't think we've really ever discussed that
1:13:51and I and i would i would never have assumed that would even be possible a
1:13:55guy I would have assumed there were some kind of like perhaps fireball going on
1:14:00there but I guess there probably isn'ta mean I would probably pretty hard to do
1:14:03and there are probably some problems with it so maybe there isn't any kind of
1:14:06protection against local network communication between apps rights only
1:14:10reach a couple of other very brief things on the same Stack Overflow
1:14:13overflow posted this is a comment now to a different answer this is Sebastian did
1:14:19man I'm part of the autumn audio bus team we developed our own SDK for this
1:14:23and as has been mentioned before it's basically a network protocol
1:14:26and then let me go to the audio bus developer docs and it says blah blah
1:14:32blah blah blah this process involves setting up your project enabling
1:14:36background audio creating a launch URL and registering your app making sure
1:14:40audio session mixing is enabled which is where we were talking earlier john was
1:14:44talking earlier about having everyone on the same audio getting access to your
1:14:49apps audio unit candidly I'm not really sure what that means and then creating
1:14:53instances of the audio bus controller input and output ports and the audio
1:14:57unit rapper from your app delegate easy peasy that's what oK so it's using Core
1:15:01Audio in the audience but then it's taking the inputs and outputs of it and
1:15:04and you know basically pointing out of the car audio side channels like the
1:15:09audio unit is probably they're just so it can you want these two samples here
1:15:13they are and oh by the way and take them it's like tu team them off into whatever
1:15:17its network things so it is definitely worth it sounds like I don't think they
1:15:23would do any kind of car don't they can do any kind of cardio thing so so so
1:15:27anyway just three things about this I think a really interesting there is the
1:15:30fact that steadily possible at all which ok we got that second is that it's been
1:15:36permitted so far in the App Store that Apple has and hasn't removed from the
1:15:40store told them they can't do this anymore reject them outright mean that's
1:15:44that is very interesting that that that Apple is kinda look at their way on this
1:15:47because you could argue that it's probably misuse of the background audio
1:15:53ATI because each one of those apps like the back on audio AP is made for or is
1:15:58intended for one apt to be playing something it wasn't too like like
1:16:03Pandora
1:16:05like that or or podcast app like that's that's what these are for is something
1:16:11that's playing a continuous audio thing that is not the built-in music you know
1:16:17that that's what it's for
1:16:18so the fact you have multiple apps all doing background audio working together
1:16:24to make one combined stream the pipe into something else that is clearly
1:16:28against the spirit of what this is for
1:16:31so it is surprising an app allows it and now the third interesting part about
1:16:35this is that not only have they not only is it possible and then
1:16:40permitted it so far but now somebody in the garage band team actually got them
1:16:45to let them add support for the garage been so it's kind of an implied
1:16:49endorsement of this method and granted you know the company with more than one
1:16:54person so it's possible this is like you know one thing that sucked through that
1:16:59like doesn't really fit with the overall strategy of iOS but this one person
1:17:02known as one team was allowed at nobody noticed you know it's possible that but
1:17:06it also is possible that they want to encourage this and and part of it you
1:17:10know Apple has always culturally especially with Steve Jobs they have a
1:17:14soft spot for music and musicians and and you know that's my garage band was
1:17:18one of the first major iPad apps they made that the law should have had to and
1:17:25they were so probably no music is great and you know it it's in our culture is
1:17:30well respected people of musicians you know and it's very it's very fulfilling
1:17:36to a lot of people in in a very basic way it's really hard to explain but you
1:17:44know it's it's music is very powerful and so Apple has had a soft spot for so
1:17:48maybe this is apples ok you know will let this happen for the musicians and
1:17:54music people who are making these things because we like music alot and that's
1:17:57fine because I can't imagine also I got another reason they would they would
1:18:03allow this would be that if they do something in iOS 7 or any future iOS
1:18:08something involving her application that's better something like sharing
1:18:12with contracts are intense like Android or Windows Phone 7 Metro whatever if
1:18:18they do something like that I don't see anything like that being able to replace
1:18:23this architect something like that
1:18:27probably couldn't be a stream of constant high bandwidth never
1:18:32communication high bandwidth low latency with a bunch of apps in the background I
1:18:36can't see that happening it's not that high bandwidth it's actually low
1:18:39bandwidth Vegas where they can get away with it
1:18:41I think it all comes down to this being audio and not so much in the musical
1:18:46sense of how they want to do that although this part of that I think they
1:18:48want to encourage ecosystem of applications that cooperate and make it
1:18:52more interesting musical device but because perhaps I mean perhaps they're
1:18:57wrong about this no sign that it's hard but it's not you're not reaching into
1:19:01someone else's you know application root directory in scoring with it you're not
1:19:06calling into another application executing arbitrary code audio is seen
1:19:12as inert it cannot cause arbitrary as far as the economic woes arbitrary
1:19:16execution of code elsewhere it doesn't do any of the things that they want to
1:19:20keep people separated for I may already have an API lets you do audio stuff in
1:19:25the background
1:19:26this is audio stuff it seems safe it's not a security thing presumably that no
1:19:32one is actually crazy enough to think I was joking about before actually
1:19:35encoding all your inter application communication as an audio stream because
1:19:39that would be crazy but I think it'll be awesome so anyone out there that I give
1:19:43you up and like you said so they come up with something different they would
1:19:48still keep this I think I think the most interesting thing about it is they
1:19:51didn't do the Apple thing which is so this is only about guys out there on the
1:19:54idea either by them or make something over on this exactly like it and you
1:20:00know crush them maybe maybe maybe audio bus got out front maybe they are
1:20:04planning to buy them may be waiting for the other shoe to drop but it could mean
1:20:08so weird for the modern Apple's like we totally expect them to the body company
1:20:11just to get the employees by the protocol or just simply say oh yeah
1:20:16that's a good idea can we do that yet do that and then just do something that
1:20:20does the exact same thing
1:20:22possibly a little better as possible little worse but completely in-house I
1:20:26mean maybe this got out in front of them are not on the music scene but it could
1:20:29be that you know audio bus look like it was getting traction among people
1:20:32developing applications and apple just wanted to join in but it's like i I like
1:20:36that activity of them looking into the third party market seeing someone who's
1:20:40come up with something and not just attempting to buy them outright not
1:20:45attempting to crush them of their implementation and you know dashboard
1:20:49style or whatever just say all right what you guys are going with that will
1:20:53join into your thing because it makes
1:20:55the makes the iOS devices more compelling for people who are interested
1:20:58in music to have this ecosystem like as it wasn't compelling enough to have all
1:21:02these great music apps now they can cooperate with each other they could be
1:21:05the first people to get the benefit of what we've been talking about it like
1:21:08Jesus you could just get rid of these silos that are separating the iPad could
1:21:12become much more useful device may be there the first people out of the gate
1:21:15who are able to do that the musicians so I have a hypothetical question for you
1:21:21guys in hearing John you talk about encoding everything is audio and I know
1:21:24you say that kinda jokingly and I also know you say it probably not possible
1:21:28transfer between out ahead I agree so let me take you on a meandering journey
1:21:34that hopefully will end up at a decent point when paced by came out which was
1:21:38to my knowledge the first half points out that really people started paying
1:21:43attention to maybe that was their first time I don't call but I believe his pay
1:21:47spot that tried to run silence in the background in order to stay in open in
1:21:53sync constantly because obviously there's only a couple reasons you can
1:21:57backgrounder app for more than 10 minutes so they thought I will display
1:22:00silenced forever
1:22:01use this audio mixing not unlike audio bus so you don't you can still hear
1:22:05other things at the same time and Apple ended up saying nice tribe that
1:22:09inhabited so you can't leave a nap running constantly and and so Marco this
1:22:16also is cued by what you said a moment ago once I wonder if it would be
1:22:20possible to do something like have your appt have some sort of server component
1:22:26just locally and so let's say you wanted to transfer an easy GIF file between two
1:22:34out whatever that may be doesn't matter so what if one says hey I'm about to
1:22:40background this task and in starts up a server locally on the phone or the iPad
1:22:46whatever does a call a URL scheme into some other app that it's aware of an ex
1:22:52callback URL or something along those lines and that second appt up to then
1:22:57gets onto a pawns server component or whatever you'd like to call it downloads
1:23:02that being naughty mag filed in the span of under 10 minutes because why wouldn't
1:23:07it it's all the same device
1:23:08and then suddenly you have a way of doing file transfer between apps as long
1:23:13as it takes less than 10 minutes does that even make sense with that it feel
1:23:16like I think these are all such ridiculous hacks I think it would be
1:23:25more wise unless you had a really pressing need to make an appt the did
1:23:29this kind of stuff right now I think it just kind of wait and see what iOS does
1:23:34to address this and you know because obviously I think with forestall being
1:23:41out now it wouldn't surprise me if we start seeing major new directions I was
1:23:47we probably won't see what I was seven and just too soon since he's been out
1:23:50but you know I think we can we can look at you can look at Apple under Tim Cook
1:23:56and we can see things are being shaken up gradually it's not like totally
1:24:01transformed overnight to a different company but things are being shaken up
1:24:05and we're seeing things that were previously very attributable to Steve
1:24:12Jobs
1:24:13overlap with things are attributable Scott Forstall forestall a very much
1:24:19like anime himself in jobs image or even vice versa I don't know but things like
1:24:26everything being so strictly sandboxed and so strictly separated it would
1:24:31surprise you start seeing relaxation of that as as a platform features as
1:24:36competition gets more strong and an address all those areas wave more
1:24:40robustly than Apple does we will I think we'll start seeing development here and
1:24:45so you know you mentioned
1:24:47view controllers and iOS 6 being behind the scenes for a few things that is
1:24:52something to watch and and if we if you think about how Apple would implement
1:24:57something like a few controllers for general purpose use an applicant has to
1:25:03have like like a low low power state where it's in the background it's not
1:25:11rendering interface ideally if you only have to like load up a shearing sheep
1:25:17for your app or something and then it goes away and never launched recently
1:25:20ideally a good only
1:25:22flowed like a small amount of the app and not even since 10 shape the whole
1:25:26view hierarchy even if it's not being displayed ideally rapid has some kind of
1:25:30like fast loading loan needs mode where could interact with our other apps like
1:25:35this and I would still maintain its great battery life and and only loading
1:25:41apps whenever needed to be loaded and suspending them for all the times like I
1:25:46feel like there there are a lot of technical like Harry details about that
1:25:51about how you would do that develop a point of view from our point of view you
1:25:56know there's a lot of ways to do it that would suck in some major way for
1:25:59somebody to developer or whether the user but I feel like that area the
1:26:09entire tech world have been pressuring Apple so hard especially this past year
1:26:14to address that particular area and their view controller thing and you
1:26:19activity looks like baby steps towards something better there than I feel like
1:26:26investing any kind of major time or effort or development or product
1:26:30investing any investing heavily into the old ways that you can do things right
1:26:36now is probably bad timing because I S seven is gonna be announced in a few
1:26:42months all likelihood probably WDC and I feel like we are right on the verge of
1:26:48of a change it is very likely to affect this particular area of iOS dramatically
1:26:55so I wouldn't put much into it right now it is a short for a very long way of
1:27:01saying is what I just said that the short version is I don't think it's the
1:27:04right time to invest heavily in in weird workarounds for iOS is lack of good
1:27:09communication would be cool I mean I was joking like it's it's a silly thing to
1:27:15do but it but if someone did that that would be story they would get passed
1:27:19around because it's just you know it's a hack it's it's interesting in this novel
1:27:22and I'm sure we could find some sort of technology of protocol for perhaps
1:27:27modulating and D modulating audio
1:27:31I don't know I'm just so sure i mean you could just you could just like you like
1:27:35one bit per sample Rodriguez moved
1:27:38have like a sample of 102 negative one does he like you know you can modulate
1:27:43into just a very very tiny waveform that is so small that you would not hear any
1:27:49kind of speakers or headphones you happen to an iPhone and an encoded it
1:27:53that way you can you tutor not like there that's the problem yeah like I was
1:27:58trying to think of like who who would given like the ridiculousness of this
1:28:03and you know I should just wait for our someone who would actually have the
1:28:07resources and poor judgment to attempt something like this the only people I
1:28:12could think of have no reason to have service I components and those would be
1:28:16like the singer's of the world that would use it as a back door to like
1:28:19share information between their applications but they don't need to do
1:28:23that they've got a server and noticed just talked to do with the transfer all
1:28:27your information to service when you don't know the name game but the same
1:28:29manufacturer then all about what you played here and can promote this game
1:28:33more by this you know so they don't dislike their application communication
1:28:37for that crowd is called the server and that's i mean it works that way for a
1:28:43lot of people to like what we really wanted for us like I started stop
1:28:48straining my stupid text documents and text editors I have you know that's what
1:28:52we all want and you know and those cases you know it's not because you want to
1:28:56know i three games from the same maker to be able to know about each other and
1:29:00know about your scores and activities I want documents created an application is
1:29:05not made by the same vendor to not be in these stupid silos and that's that's
1:29:09what we're all waiting for its like you know popping up you eyes is one thing
1:29:12and the other thing is the file system or whatever and you know maybe iCloud is
1:29:16a solution that but not really do they still sailing off as well so that's what
1:29:20that's what I think we're looking for and you know and rapid communication is
1:29:24shared UI's type of thing a little bundles with you as you can put in your
1:29:28applications and really running but some code this party replication is running
1:29:31and some solution to how you can use multiple applications to work on the
1:29:36same project you know with file modification from different vendors and
1:29:40in the DRDO buses almost cannot really solution it's more like a bunch of
1:29:44guitar
1:29:45hookup in sequence to elaire effects on but like I feel like the same time to
1:29:49think what if you want to do our audio creation and you have audio bosnia like
1:29:53geez I wish I could use these seven apps to collaborate to create this is dead
1:29:57one kind of the mass rapid actually gets to record the resulting audio and
1:30:01everything else is just a bunch of Xboxes and pedals that year you're
1:30:04putting in a chain to modify things so they're they're creeping up on it but
1:30:08you know they they start long way to go in and has been speculation about the
1:30:12forestall jobs thing like any actual information about like everyone likes a
1:30:17tribute to get everything they don't like now the source told gone it will
1:30:21stop happening in the good things will happen like I don't know is he's the one
1:30:25who was insisting on silos it is like why why is his departure make you think
1:30:30that this good thing available now finally happened I guess that he was the
1:30:33barrier to it I don't know maybe you have information I don't but I have
1:30:36known about it I don't I don't see that like I mean it's it's conceivable but
1:30:43without any actual connection to information saying like oh you have
1:30:47forced I was totally and because I have heard some things about things that he
1:30:51was going home for that I disagree with but this was not among them but you know
1:30:56I'm hesitant to 10 my hopes on the magic departures got forestall right about
1:31:04that honestly I mean I don't have any information to support that it's
1:31:09probably wrong who knows we know they need this anyway but like they need lots
1:31:13of things and they tend to know there they'll get there eventually
1:31:17this is gonna be the Year desktop Linux yeah what we actually do get it
1:31:22eventually got hurt we gotta notifications enter such as it is
1:31:27eventually it's funny because as you guys were talking I was thinking back
1:31:32you know you said well one thing we want is is to be able to pop up view or some
1:31:38sort of view controller in another app from within my own app
1:31:42and it occurred to me that when I was spit balling about transferring the say
1:31:47to this fancy meeting Meg file we can already do that thing is we can't do it
1:31:51locally we do it via Dropbox and so I kind of wonder if in addition to being
1:31:58able to throw up something small and somebody else's
1:32:02III I wander freely what I've been asking for this entire show is now is
1:32:06just drop box but local you know something that serves the same purpose
1:32:10that Dropbox does the file system gives
1:32:13interesting is that you know that iCloud does not address that at all and no
1:32:23reason I couldn't work in Dropbox app that Apple doesn't want to do and so
1:32:27does I think I think history will show that that particular detail of iCloud is
1:32:33a big mistake and and i really I think if you look at something like the photo
1:32:38library on iOS that's a really good example of how to do something like this
1:32:42better certainly not perfect but you know there's a lot of apps that can
1:32:46interact with the same photo library and and it's it's fine could be better but
1:32:52its way better than if you have some other type of document or some other
1:32:58type of data that you want multiple a stability to be able to interact with
1:33:01there's no good option for that except Dropbox which obviously that's not great
1:33:07for Apple I really do feel like if I cloud could be broadened to basically
1:33:14have different containers for any given mimetypes a or any given set of my most
1:33:20part you just bargaining now because I'm working on a project images and some tax
1:33:26documents and some audio and some movies and now they're in there in silence by
1:33:30type like I mean there's a reason that the the file systems exist the way it
1:33:35does because it's like you can't predict had a time of what what what facet you
1:33:42want to use to organize things what you know what is the world i'm looking for
1:33:46when taxes are never right
1:33:47how are you gonna categorize things it by type is it by day is about like oh
1:33:51well if you didn't have a file system you can do all of those things we also
1:33:54have
1:33:54another thing which is like a hierarchy was liked by location bypass project I
1:33:58have I have photos that I have to work with for the magazine that are not in my
1:34:03photo library for myself that i personal photos like this like there's all sorts
1:34:07of everyone has these kind of accepted the project folder maybe a divided up by
1:34:11type underneath the project folder maybe a divided up by the secondary category
1:34:15now my time but like I think the decision not to have a real thousands
1:34:19done in iCloud is the right one they just like that I admire them for
1:34:24sticking with I hope they don't cave because they can implement Dropbox they
1:34:27could have been prevented Dropbox long time ago but they didn't because the
1:34:30city yet we understand that you just give us a shared hierarchy you file
1:34:34system on the network links everywhere
1:34:37Dropbox does that Apple could do that they've chosen not to because they know
1:34:42like how untenable to get the file system is for human beings period like
1:34:47non nerd people and so they're holding the line is a no we are not going to
1:34:51give you an arbitrary higher give you can always do what you want because
1:34:54people have proven they can't work make that work and it just they just haven't
1:34:58figured out a workable alternative yet but I but I am proud of them for not
1:35:03caving and not saying well you know i cloud documents in the cloud
1:35:08well now it's just an arbitrary file system just like Dropbox don't nuts like
1:35:11this every year then be like yeah this is great Apple's finally you know done
1:35:15what we wanted but I am totally convinced that people in general cannot
1:35:21grasp that concept and it's not a question of education in time for
1:35:25several generations into the computer age is just it's not something people
1:35:29grass is something that we have no problem with him and subset of geeks
1:35:32have no problem with but you know the simpler things like to talk about the
1:35:37photo-sharing people can kind of kind of grasp that people can kind of grasp the
1:35:42stupid limited silos that we all hate this got there's gotta be something that
1:35:46doesn't expose the full file something gives us some of the benefits and you
1:35:50know we found it yet I feel bad for them and I feel bad for us but I am proud of
1:35:54them for not making Dropbox I'll be proud of the right to the point where it
1:35:58to my frustration just overflows in
1:36:00you know as well as Dropbox around for the nerd that also kind of meeting is it
1:36:03ok well you keep working on that but in the meantime you know just using Dropbox
1:36:08I kind of feel obviously there's been a lot of discussion last few years about
1:36:13about moving away from exposing the file system to users and I feel like it's one
1:36:19of those simplifications that the problem is way more complicated than
1:36:24that simple solution can properly address and and that you know the reason
1:36:29why files have lasted as long as they have as a metaphor for storage
1:36:34management for people is that this is a complicated problem and files are a very
1:36:42simple and extremely powerful way to address it at the costs of the user
1:36:47complexity especially for people who just can't you just don't think that way
1:36:51or or who are so new to it they they need time to adjust and we see obviously
1:36:57be so many so many failures of of like quote normal people or people who are
1:37:02really new to computers are just don't care that much we see so many failures
1:37:06of them just not getting the concepts of file storage and files and moving them
1:37:13and where they're located on the computer and stuff like that but I feel
1:37:15like we're Apple has gone with iCloud with the tremendous you know very strict
1:37:22sideloading per app and pretty much no files everything's kind of a collection
1:37:26of documents in each app I feel like that's going too far in the other
1:37:30direction it doesn't cover the problems facing just doesn't like we all we all
1:37:36recognize even it doesn't even cover the problems faced for casual people because
1:37:39it solves like like there's nobody for whom that's the shit is adequate because
1:37:44even just like my parents like once i cant find their stuff and I explained
1:37:48the silo and they like oh that's that's done how do I do that now like I don't
1:37:53have a good answer for them like this that I understand nobody this so few
1:37:56people in and so is that is that the first step and they have a master plan
1:38:00did they want to try that and say hey maybe this is adequate care like what we
1:38:04know that work with Dropbox right but like there they haven't figured it out
1:38:10yet they have not even come close to covering the problems facing you
1:38:13like the simple small simple but powerful tools like that's the continued
1:38:17its like UNIX where you know the the ideal of Unix are you have a bunch of
1:38:21tiny single purpose tools that you can change together to do amazing things but
1:38:25nobody can figure that out right and the other end you have like a big red button
1:38:28you press it is just possible that you have Microsoft Excel
1:38:31well no actually sounds actually good example of like a small simple tool that
1:38:37you can assemble business simple tools we have a grid and there's a few simple
1:38:40things are regular people not to do with the grid and people are amazing it
1:38:43taking excels like OSU dimensional grid I can solve any problem with that
1:38:47because it's like it's likely I'll blocks you know that's terrible solution
1:38:50but they can understand this one simple tool right well UNIX you know the series
1:38:55simple tool you can make it your solution but the other end of the
1:38:57spectrum is there is no small reusable part there is no LEGO brick there is no
1:39:01thing that you can snap together make a solution is just one big shiny red
1:39:04button your president does whatever the hell we say this thing's gonna do and
1:39:07that is inadequate to cover the things that people need to do and there's you
1:39:12know that's that's documents mccloud this point there's a huge gap between
1:39:16those extremes and there's gotta be something in the middle that can they
1:39:19can work for us and it's it would be a failure on Apple's park to ever
1:39:25surrender and say finds about system so like they did not work to do but I hope
1:39:31they don't just give in you know I think it would be an equally significant
1:39:35failure on their part to say we've solved it done it's fine you just gotta
1:39:43get used to that mean that they they realized I I don't think that anyone
1:39:48thinks that anyone anywhere was ever used to wrap it up you have to kind of a
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1:40:42I think Twitter handles are good and and website URLs you probably just on how to
1:40:49spell them that they can go faster
1:40:51yeah cuz we all have a long spell level if my last name cajuns its 323 our AC
1:40:59USA seconds just so you know i i been doin to do it and that's what drives me
1:41:07nuts about the stupid Google authenticator things for it for to use
1:41:10that for the two-factor no I don't got a good they've got a Google authenticator
1:41:14app which is great for Dropbox and i three of them on their house one out
1:41:17Google authenticated gives you just the number that's it's your second factor
1:41:20right and its six digits and they shut them all together and I come on guys
1:41:25what planet you i three like everybody knows you don't put six days just go
1:41:31crazy in the middle of his repeated digits you screwed up that's just
1:41:34unbelievable to me they didn't put a parking space are a hyphen or something
1:41:372003 please put that as for the love of Christ
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