◼ ► Well not the right environment. Other people talking you know what's going on. How's overcast going great. [TS]
◼ ► Go there to hear more because I know I want to for our show too much too late so I flooded their show instead. [TS]
◼ ► and I kept saying oh I'll just wait until I reserve a cast that we talk about and I can promote it and whatever [TS]
◼ ► So finally I went and and talked about there for a while with some of the more low level tech stuff [TS]
◼ ► and social stuff like how do you break into the social crowd a break in the business stuff like that. [TS]
◼ ► when to post it will say I haven't heard all of your overcast Torah so maybe you talked about this already you don't [TS]
◼ ► but I think it's no one has asked What are your conversion numbers like if you want to share that I don't even know off [TS]
◼ ► I don't even know what percentage would be because I just know like dollars and I don't want to share [TS]
◼ ► but they're going to ask just to be a jerk but anyway you're happy with it it's more or less what you expected. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I mean the thing is like it's so early right now that you know because it's all it's only been out now as we [TS]
◼ ► and so it's still on its launch high you know it's still feature in the App Store I think today was the last day so it [TS]
◼ ► was featured in the App Store until probably midday today it might be featured somewhere else this week [TS]
◼ ► and it had all that launch press so I really have no clue what what like the resting point will be like what's that [TS]
◼ ► But it was it was pretty predictable for the most part and so I don't know what that level will be for overcast yet [TS]
◼ ► and I won't know until probably like a month or two from now you know what really what that is. [TS]
◼ ► I can tell you that I've had something like one of the exact time or something like a hundred thousand [TS]
◼ ► and of those a little more than half have actually made a user account and that's an interesting ratio. [TS]
◼ ► The problem is again that will be more interesting later like will be more interesting and in a few weeks [TS]
◼ ► I wasn't sure it like you know because the whole thing about needing to create an account to use it. [TS]
◼ ► Mostly involving sync to new devices and people forgetting that they have this account and create and duplicate N.T. [TS]
◼ ► Accounts and that is a support issue and I think a lot of the data. It's a bad scene anyway. [TS]
◼ ► So you know roughly a little more than half right now have actually created a user account. [TS]
◼ ► I don't know I'm not doing any analytics yet in the afternoon like how many of those people who didn't make the user [TS]
◼ ► account have even launched the app yet you know like it could just be people download the app that was featured [TS]
◼ ► and so on springboard you know it could be many of those it could be people launch the app if you the logon screen it's [TS]
◼ ► out I want to create an account and then they close the app and never watch it again of the delete it. [TS]
◼ ► So anyway that's probably something I should put in a Linux in the apps or could know of a decision going forward. [TS]
◼ ► But right now Matthew Palmer asked an interesting question in the chat have you been paying close enough attention to [TS]
◼ ► when the peak was the peak of just like server activity in general was a few hours into launch day. [TS]
◼ ► It causes like a general rise in the whole week because people aren't all checking the App Store at the same time [TS]
◼ ► But I don't believe I'm not going to really know that again until you know a couple weeks now when I can look back [TS]
◼ ► but I haven't killed any of them yet because I want to do some experiment stuff doesn't matter. [TS]
◼ ► I mean I don't want to bore people who already heard me talk about it for about six hours now. [TS]
◼ ► But I guess if you have any specific questions write it and we'll we'll see if we can answer them but I don't. [TS]
◼ ► and know nothing except for like Tech Support question a lot of you know Marco on attitude. Fair enough. [TS]
◼ ► All right so we've heard we've heard something that is possibly follow up possibly not depending on how you classify it [TS]
◼ ► and it's about the e-mails that Ed Catmull from Pixar had written long ago that were recently revealed. [TS]
◼ ► Do you want to give us kind of the World Wide Web and I was trying to remember and get a link for the show. [TS]
◼ ► and they had their emails it was part of a court case that's why we got to see emails from Steve Jobs [TS]
◼ ► and we were I was incredulous about the Google sending me emails talking amongst themselves. [TS]
◼ ► and then Steve Jobs says No I'd actually rather you not hire this guy and they don't hire him. [TS]
◼ ► This story is about a I think the same thing for a courtroom case where that's why we're seeing these internal e-mails [TS]
◼ ► One of the stakes are over the other one it was a Sony was the one who was not playing by the rules it was poaching [TS]
◼ ► and the last time we talked about a camel was about his book creativity and which I really liked [TS]
◼ ► and these e-mails show that he was involved in this wage fixing you know what I call we check some of the best way to [TS]
◼ ► It's it wasn't quite the action they took but that was definitely the result of the actions they took. Yeah. [TS]
◼ ► Anyway I think the same thing that the other tech companies were involved in all these companies like the heads of [TS]
◼ ► these companies are like it's best for all of us involved if we just promise not to poke each other's employees in a [TS]
◼ ► and we'll pay your money just don't do that to each other because it's just a hassle for all of us to have to worry [TS]
◼ ► about these people leaving and so on and so forth and it's the exact same situation with Apple and Steve Jobs [TS]
◼ ► The result is that the marketplace for these people skills is not as competitive as it should be. [TS]
◼ ► Guys are essentially agreeing not to pay the people what they're worth just to make their lives easier. [TS]
◼ ► Head to the companies and as much as I admire Ed camel he's doing the exact same thing here [TS]
◼ ► and takes on his company he just have to think about what is it that makes these people think that this is an [TS]
◼ ► appropriate thing to do especially a camel makes a point in his book of specifically highlighting instances where he [TS]
◼ ► did something for the for moral reasons even though you know like not taking advantage of employees not working them to [TS]
◼ ► death not doing all the strategies that other companies in the tech business do not because it's bad for business not [TS]
◼ ► because it's immoral because you'd be exploiting your workers exactly is as immoral I don't think like what happens [TS]
◼ ► what happens to you that you get into a space where you believe you're being you're doing your job well [TS]
◼ ► But Steve Jobs said you have to this is the way it is things like I mean it's kind of a Masters of the universe thing [TS]
◼ ► And despite all the things I say in creativity Inc And one of the things that Cavil talks about is it's very difficult [TS]
◼ ► to know when this is happening to you so the relevant part of creativity is when they're having these meetings [TS]
◼ ► and they didn't want there to be said he sort of class structure and they were invited everybody these meetings [TS]
◼ ► and you know we're all talking either they were intentionally trying to make it don't feel like you can't speak up [TS]
◼ ► because you just got hired a week ago and you know I'm the president of the company everyone's input is important [TS]
◼ ► when you came in the room they had like a range seating so the important people got the good seats in a place where [TS]
◼ ► everybody could hear them and other people had to be like sitting on the radiator in the corner [TS]
◼ ► and they did this for a long time until the executives realized the reason other people aren't jumping is because we [TS]
◼ ► We're marginalizing them unconsciously and so they abolish the assigned seating let people sit wherever they want. [TS]
◼ ► and you know again creativity is all about you're not going to see that that's happening you're going to think you're [TS]
◼ ► He doesn't seem you know like he's apologizing for this. He doesn't even seem regretful or whatever. [TS]
◼ ► and I like this kind of churn of employees going from place to place that's bad for everyone's business like we want to [TS]
◼ ► But it's no good if these employees keep going to better offer from one place to the other if you know that's just [TS]
◼ ► that's just too much churn and maybe it is inhumane for the people who run these companies. [TS]
◼ ► and job prospects of the people under you. Right. It's not indentured servitude it's an employment at will. [TS]
◼ ► If you read about I'll agree that fewer people would risk people are people we don't have to pay them what they would [TS]
◼ ► and I think it's more like you just you just feel like you're doing what's best for the company you're doing your job [TS]
◼ ► well and you're trying to make your people happy like OK. No one is hurt there and you don't see that. [TS]
◼ ► and I've seen this in many places to varying degrees you lose touch with the rest of the world. [TS]
◼ ► You start to think you are different people even in the sort of egalitarian company where they don't like having a [TS]
◼ ► science eating in meetings but most companies are not like that. Most come in like I am big people your little people. [TS]
◼ ► I have a personal assistant I have a secretary. I don't get my own schedule. I get to come and go as I please. [TS]
◼ ► and it's really difficult to fight against that even apparently even if you read Catmull No no analytical engineering [TS]
◼ ► style brain is apparently enough to completely reverse that although I'm sure there are exceptions I can think probably [TS]
◼ ► and I also mentioned to me a story about John Karr Mike doing something similar and I'll trust him [TS]
◼ ► when to stand us the money which may not be representative of his lawyer probably advised him just to just stick to the [TS]
◼ ► facts that you know your heroes our flaws too and they make mistakes and this is a bad move and it makes me sad. [TS]
◼ ► You know it reminds me of the episode of Top Gear where James and Mary drives you knew I had to go there [TS]
◼ ► and wear jeans major I can tie everything we want to do you've ever so true it's kind of sad but anyway. [TS]
◼ ► James drives a coon tosh which is his favorite car when he was you know growing up or whatever [TS]
◼ ► and he realized that this is fantasy car was not a piece of crap because you can't get into it can't get out of it [TS]
◼ ► and he said you know we kind of wished he had never driven it in the first place because it ruined it for him [TS]
◼ ► and I'm not saying that this is a perfect analogy but it reminds me of it nevertheless how I felt [TS]
◼ ► and terrible announcers I mean like none of that I thought anymore as part of like Steve Jobs is the perfect example [TS]
◼ ► but there are so many terrible stories about him that no one is ever thinking you see jobs as perfect [TS]
◼ ► and parcel of the reputation whereas Catmull reputation is just so much like everything that's bad about other high [TS]
◼ ► and he's the engineer he's able to not fall victim to all of the things he's not a jerk in the way those guys a joke [TS]
◼ ► he's soft spoken in a thoughtful and he look at his great book he wrote and look at all these talks he gives [TS]
◼ ► and although this doesn't take away from all that all that is good just as much as this thing is also bad. [TS]
◼ ► or does he think like well if if we didn't do this it would have been you know years about the rest later that we [TS]
◼ ► but and You say well the laws against collusion I don't agree with them I think those laws shouldn't be there [TS]
◼ ► but I would hope that in any sort of extended conversation a topic you brought around to the notion that is so clear to [TS]
◼ ► all those of us who are the piano workers that this is a terrible thing to do to anybody to collude with other [TS]
◼ ► companies to limit the employment opportunities like that's not how you keep your employees by just making sure that [TS]
◼ ► they don't have other job prospects even if you treat them super well which by all accounts they do [TS]
◼ ► Doesn't matter you don't get to do that you don't get to say because I'm so important not only will I be here not spent [TS]
◼ ► but we're sort of making sure that you don't have any better prospects elsewhere despite the fact that if we didn't [TS]
◼ ► have this deal you know like Sony who wasn't on Israel's like we'll offer you more money will put you in charge of an [TS]
◼ ► entire movie called our company and you know employees would leave in it like oh we don't want that. [TS]
◼ ► Well if you don't want that pay those people more make them happier that's called a competitive marketplace. [TS]
◼ ► It's it's disappointing it's sad it makes me angry that this happens to people because you know not that I'm in the [TS]
◼ ► digital animation field but if if the similar thing was going on you know and I was looking for a job [TS]
◼ ► but they had an agreement with my company that they wouldn't vote for me now because I would be too. [TS]
◼ ► And marketers know what that's like. So tell me about something that's awesome. This week we were sponsored by a. [TS]
◼ ► There are many do a mega stars that are not good in fact I would say pretty much every other one I've tried [TS]
◼ ► and I last time I was very certain demands looking to leave the what say the elephant in the room. [TS]
◼ ► I got suggestions from all sorts of people about whatever you know whatever a show they use basically is where people [TS]
◼ ► ignore him and like when you ask people for recommendations on anything but they just tell you what they use [TS]
◼ ► and I tried a lot of them actually and I really didn't like any of them very much and hover was definitely my favorite. [TS]
◼ ► It was the one that it was not only the only one I really liked but clearly the best in the bunch [TS]
◼ ► and I don't even use most their features honestly because they have all sorts of cool stuff like the basics hover of [TS]
◼ ► course lets you register to me names you guys know what that is I'm not going to not going to explain it. [TS]
◼ ► You can raise it remains you can you know get a host I think I don't know if they offer full on web hosting [TS]
◼ ► and you know all the domain stuff you need D.N.A.'s all the stuff that you think should come with it does come with [TS]
◼ ► and they have a beautiful interface you know managing the stuff is all they decide whether a face of amazing support [TS]
◼ ► where not only can you go online of course they have those options but you can even call them on the phone [TS]
◼ ► and a human being picks up the phone they have a no hold no wait no transfer phone policy so you call this number [TS]
◼ ► during business hours and you talk to a human immediately who can actually help you. It's really quite amazing. [TS]
◼ ► They're running a sale right now so we have all these new domain extensions things like you know dot plumbing [TS]
◼ ► and all this all these all these crazy to me extensions. Now they're running it until until September first. [TS]
◼ ► I believe there are I believe they're pretty deeply discounted so all these new domain extensions of come out over the [TS]
◼ ► or until September first I believe this is a doctor greater than or less than operator and swift for this range here. [TS]
◼ ► So until September first these are on sale. C.M. Learned Swift I told you I would learn it or something. [TS]
◼ ► I even pay attention when they change the syntax like oh you see I read I read the Internet. [TS]
◼ ► They have also this great value transfer service one of our friend of the show Joel Housman was telling me that he had [TS]
◼ ► but he he had to do a pretty large transfer of many domains into hover and he used a valid transfer service for it [TS]
◼ ► and it's a number that I you know I would I would assume that if hover had some asterisk somewhere saying we won't do [TS]
◼ ► and they will move it all over for you if you don't have to of course you can move it yourself [TS]
◼ ► and you know don't drop anything on the floor otherwise than your server goes down for eight hours. [TS]
◼ ► and that's that's quite a feat in this industry. I use it lots of people use it. Check it out. [TS]
◼ ► Maybe one of the one of the host of the show might say that frequently. I think ever could that be something like that. [TS]
◼ ► and tell them that you came from us which we can to sponsor our show make us keep making shows. So everyone's happy. [TS]
◼ ► So today the day that we're recording this which is probably roughly a week before we release it is the first day of [TS]
◼ ► when I heard there was kept in a million like to a million people really want to run a beta beta app maybe even a beta [TS]
◼ ► Like I thought you know you got to do the whole installation procedure and it's all different and weird [TS]
◼ ► Man I guess maybe they're equipped in terms of having Do you think a million mac users have good enough backups that if [TS]
◼ ► How many I mean what is the base of mac users I don't know I would guess in the maybe around one hundred million range [TS]
◼ ► So like one percent of you think about one percent of people I think one percent of mac users might have good backups. [TS]
◼ ► But with time machine everything eighty millions as a chat room style base of mac users I don't. [TS]
◼ ► Anyway it seems I mean we know that most of the people who stole this bit are not going to have good backups [TS]
◼ ► and chances are they'll be fine but like you know people are people their own worst enemies [TS]
◼ ► and as with magic kids like I mean I know if I was like yep uninstallers on the family computer right now. [TS]
◼ ► when I tweeted about this I was like look I don't generally talk about on the show I don't generally recommend people [TS]
◼ ► install data as a beta means it's not finished means there's going to be bugs have backups blah blah blah the whole [TS]
◼ ► It's best if you could do it on a spare machine if not that on a spare hard drive all like all the stuff went of like [TS]
◼ ► when I was a kid as part of the learning process I don't tell people they can't do it but if someone installs this [TS]
◼ ► and there's some bug that causes data loss they're going to be super pissed like how dare the apple like you know like [TS]
◼ ► You know even the version like is always going to be bugs like every piece of software comes with that big giant all [TS]
◼ ► caps thing that says the software is not useful for any purpose like whatever the hell that text is the you have that [TS]
◼ ► It's like a warrant ability something with disclosure of disclaimer are going to build these with [TS]
◼ ► but we're saying nope we do not save the software is good for anything even if even if it directly contradicts what was [TS]
◼ ► If my just erase your disconnect it anyway so you know people just have to use their own conscience and like kids [TS]
◼ ► But just because Apple releases something publicly doesn't mean it is of the same stability [TS]
◼ ► So you know go for it use your conscience as your guide so that I mean that's why I thought million is maybe not so [TS]
◼ ► The real question is not so much who's going to start and how are they going to go I was going to go for them [TS]
◼ ► Thing I wonder if this is about enterprise stuff you know how so like giving like giving enterprises being able to go [TS]
◼ ► and say look we're becoming more open we're now doing public betas to make our stuff a little more palatable purity [TS]
◼ ► and I don't think of him that I think of arms if he if you remember they did public betas for a ten nine three in ten [TS]
◼ ► and Ivan who cares to have a public bit of a point release because like there's nothing you know it doesn't look any [TS]
◼ ► I don't even install the point releases you know I even though I'm on an active program to get all the emails about it [TS]
◼ ► and I think Apple got good results from the ten wondering to inform is again the debate is like why why bother going to [TS]
◼ ► the public especially with tend not to be really careful like regular non developers download ten one three is like [TS]
◼ ► and the answer is yes the answer is that different a different class of person use downloads this type of thing [TS]
◼ ► and they use it in a different way than developers use it develop really probably using it to test their apps [TS]
◼ ► and they don't have maybe they have pet U.I. Bugs but they don't have like penne A.P.I. Bugs. [TS]
◼ ► and find things that developers wouldn't find and that's I think why Apple is going with the larger beta [TS]
◼ ► Yes of course there was there were there were ten public beta as in before ten point zero if anyone remembers way back [TS]
◼ ► And that was a similar type of thing in that they had had a Developer Preview releases a voice ten [TS]
◼ ► and be having a wider test group is is a good thing so it's good to buy something then it was good about thirty bucks [TS]
◼ ► or whatever the public beta has a public feedback application that it's right in the docket isn't solved all the beta [TS]
◼ ► read for the show it's a little purple icon right in the dock with a nice looking little app where you can send your [TS]
◼ ► and I guarantee you they're going to get very very different feedback from people type in little application [TS]
◼ ► and they've made it as easy as possible soon as you launch a public beta throws the feedback in your face explains what [TS]
◼ ► So I don't think there's any particular downsides to this except for the poor suckers are going down the road [TS]
◼ ► I don't think that any reputation that they get from people who download a beta find a bug get said about it is going [TS]
◼ ► to really hurt them especially since they're capping it and especially since those people will probably get over it. [TS]
◼ ► I wonder if one of the big driving factors for this might have been the ten nine O G email issues because that was that [TS]
◼ ► was like this massive issue where you know we were mavericks Dato had and even I think that one [TS]
◼ ► and that's the kind of bug that you don't tend to find in large numbers among developers because they're usually not [TS]
◼ ► making it their primary machine like moving into it and bring their e-mail over and everything. [TS]
◼ ► Developers who were testing you know just testing out their apps are probably you do a clean install on some external [TS]
◼ ► drive or some or some different partition and testing their app and that's it. And so and that was a pretty severe and. [TS]
◼ ► and it definitely should have gotten caught in the betas but I think that's a weird one because I did put my real G. [TS]
◼ ► Mail never has worked for me you know like every time I do it I go to like first latest Triton the default config like [TS]
◼ ► you said steam Apple now you just do the right thing and it doesn't you know doesn't work right. [TS]
◼ ► and things appear in one place not in the other it's not in sync with the Web you while such things then I go to [TS]
◼ ► and say Google do you have any updated advice on how I'm supposed to configure Apple Mail the work thing another [TS]
◼ ► I think that's not a tenable configuration. I'd never would recommend anybody if you have a G. [TS]
◼ ► Mail can you money that mail it to pop which G. Mail still supports pop your mail that way which is terrible. [TS]
◼ ► but at least that works in a understandable consistent fashion so I you know I feel better for the people who have this [TS]
◼ ► and Apple Mail for years like maybe they sort of got to a steady state where they understood the foibles like you know [TS]
◼ ► Whatever recommended guy that they read this year last year the year before because there have been many many guides of [TS]
◼ ► I go back through the years and find a different guides all the guys are different they can't all be right. [TS]
◼ ► Eyes but anyway they get something that they sort of understand that works the way I think it does [TS]
◼ ► And yet there were legitimate bugs in here that apparently were worse than they were before [TS]
◼ ► but there still have to be crazy idiosyncratic behaviors that I mean there was when I was testing it. [TS]
◼ ► I can't trust that it's going to do what I want and the web interface to G.-Mail when I move something Mark. [TS]
◼ ► or wherever it works it always does what it was supposed to do it never undoes itself there's never any mysteries [TS]
◼ ► when I think rise of the web you will I know the stuff so I think that is kind of a lost cause [TS]
◼ ► Like if suddenly people's existing Gmail Apple Mail set up that they were used to like the set of bugs they're used to [TS]
◼ ► and they won't miss it so I think that you know if they had done this for mavericks they would have caught that bug as [TS]
◼ ► I don't recommend anybody use Apple Mail with you though not in this release not in any future release until like I [TS]
◼ ► think I think pretty sickly ever because as much as email want to support I'm out I'm out has a different model than [TS]
◼ ► the G. Mail model and I don't feel you can ever bridge those worlds without some compromises. [TS]
◼ ► and also from what I understand you know I'm after is a pretty complicated standard And also Apple Mail apparently is [TS]
◼ ► and some guys on Twitter told me that he wrote on app server once and dealing with Apple Mail was hard [TS]
◼ ► and I have heard that I've heard that before throughout history from a lot of people I suspect that the Google attitude [TS]
◼ ► like if some kind of behavior in mail that is not quite doing what kind of spec says is correct [TS]
◼ ► Mail Google is exactly the kind of company to say well we're not going to fix up Apple's problem. [TS]
◼ ► Well a global does seem like it wants to work with Apple Mail because they do publish the detailed guide to the [TS]
◼ ► screenshots of how to configure Apple Mail to work at G M L Like I think there is an effort there on Google's part to [TS]
◼ ► make their web service work with Apple's not quite mostly because I think a lot of people who use Macs [TS]
◼ ► and like to use Apple Mail. You think they use Apple Mail in corporate and Google Yeah there's Macs. [TS]
◼ ► There and you're not like there's a lot of people who just don't like to use whether you are from L. [TS]
◼ ► Well you the way I think that Apple is actually more apt to be like where screw those Google guys G.-Mail doesn't [TS]
◼ ► but you know they do that label thing they do all this weirdness into lead is actually archiving screw those Google [TS]
◼ ► guys we're going to do it our way which is the way the spec says we should maybe and it's actually Google's problem. [TS]
◼ ► I think that's much more likely than Google being bitter about Apple not handling things right. [TS]
◼ ► I also imagine that Google does not care that much about getting all the details of my map exactly right you know. [TS]
◼ ► Yes You know if this is their problem like I mean I said on Twitter a while ago that I suspect a Google map is is not [TS]
◼ ► and that shows throughout history with how bad it's been hasn't just been like client side bugs actually been like [TS]
◼ ► server failures frequently and stuff like that like Google I map you know and that has always sucked [TS]
◼ ► and so I have to imagine it's just not a big priority for them because it doesn't serve any of their any of their [TS]
◼ ► and they probably just look down on it like some kind of crappy compatibility layer they have to have for certain [TS]
◼ ► stubborn people who won't use the web at. That's the that's the attitude that I get from them. [TS]
◼ ► They still support pop though in the same way you know like they support pop in the way I support I.E. [TS]
◼ ► They support it why would they still have pop around who in the world who are using POP for their G.-Mail than me by [TS]
◼ ► Mail and outlook and the reason I do that is that is my backup of all my e-mail you know I pop everything from G. [TS]
◼ ► Mail down and you know just get siphoning to a big bin doesn't you know get filtered after that you know what I mean [TS]
◼ ► but that is one hundred percent reliable and there's no way I'm ever going to launch my app [TS]
◼ ► and they get confused about the world because of things the prefix is different it's going to be like oh I don't think [TS]
◼ ► but I've always local files let me just delete them all for years never going to do that with Pop Pop is like it comes [TS]
◼ ► and after you get it I don't care what the hell you do with it I'm never going to touch it again unless you delete it [TS]
◼ ► locally I'm not going to you know so it's just so much simple so much simpler so I hope they never do get rid of [TS]
◼ ► but yeah I don't know who you are I'm not I don't even know if I'm out as one of those standards where there's like eight [TS]
◼ ► and there's no like official one so you can argue about why I'm complying with the standard is an arse is there an [TS]
◼ ► or is it just a million different weird implementations caused the Web used to be in the battle days I don't know for [TS]
◼ ► sure I do know it is a very large complicated protocol that can do a lot of things like I no can do calendar sending [TS]
◼ ► note saying all this crazy stuff that almost no clients actually set out how to use it for notes. [TS]
◼ ► and so I would imagine the kind of thing where like every client supports a different eighty percent of spec. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah and then Apple Mail does those weird stuff about like where do you want to put the deleted messages [TS]
◼ ► and then I'm happy I like is that am I putting that in a place that also exists in the world [TS]
◼ ► or opening in the local one it's like I'm always fighting with Apple Mail to get each account to keep track of its own [TS]
◼ ► where to put my drafts folder of my deleted messages wherever my sent mail in a sane way because it's just so so [TS]
◼ ► confusing which is why I recommend everybody uses e-mail who is not technically inclined should just use the G. [TS]
◼ ► and funnel all their email there because the Juno web interface will never be out of sync you can send to [TS]
◼ ► and I get your punishment is that there was some of the exactly wrong analogy don't send me email. [TS]
◼ ► and I came to get my own parents to do that so I am unsuccessful in this campaign to try to get my ma. [TS]
◼ ► Other insists on using Apple Mail and she insists on having multiple e-mail accounts one is for spam she says. [TS]
◼ ► and the service doesn't end like in G. Mail you're totally right there is no I have a server it is G. [TS]
◼ ► and had to decide OK well what is the closest analogy in the way the GMO works to this operation [TS]
◼ ► So as riveting as all this email conversation is can we go back to the assembly beta because I have a couple questions. [TS]
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◼ ► If Apple really wanted to appeal to the enterprise I don't recall which one of the two of you said that wouldn't do you [TS]
◼ ► think there are better levers to pull than just issuing a public beta for example was a new John that it that it [TS]
◼ ► Client was that didn't work with Mavericks for forever or am I making that up. Still doesn't because I didn't try to. [TS]
◼ ► Yet they built in Apple built in a bunch of you know capability to work with a lot of common VBN clients using like [TS]
◼ ► whatever the open protocols are for secure IP and so on and so forth. And for a little while my company used to be P.N. [TS]
◼ ► but it's basically the fault of the company saying well we can't have that we can't have just built in our support for [TS]
◼ ► or care anything about the mac it's gotten better over the I still feel a little be using it to give an example of the [TS]
◼ ► type of thing that really makes no difference but just makes me feel bad about V.P.N. Software when I launch my V.P.N. [TS]
◼ ► Software it has a little dialog box to the connect button on it that little window that the first window that appears [TS]
◼ ► appears in just some location like the top of it is jammed up against the menu bar by the right side is like an inch [TS]
◼ ► If I move that window doesn't matter next time a launch apps can be right back to the spot I don't know where it stores [TS]
◼ ► that window location every time it launches I feel like I have to move it. It's taunting me anyway. [TS]
◼ ► and I don't think this move has to do is a way to do it because it is so clearly focused on the public as in people who [TS]
◼ ► and go through the process it is so consumer like aimed at a consumer super friendly big giant tech screen shots. [TS]
◼ ► When you try to sign up for it's like here's what you can do back up your computer you can do it this way you can do [TS]
◼ ► when you download it it makes you go through another big long list it doesn't even show you the download link so you [TS]
◼ ► can't rush through quick stuff you have to read text and then eventually like it is so consumer focused [TS]
◼ ► and same thing with installation put in the feedback thing right in your face. This is for regular people now. [TS]
◼ ► People can do it as well but I see people they would just sign up for a MAC developer account [TS]
◼ ► and have access to all that have seeds anyway and they would probably be using it more like a developer [TS]
◼ ► and try out all their supported software and report bugs to whoever is appropriate for the stuff it doesn't work. [TS]
◼ ► Right now that's my point is that a public beta doesn't really help with this moron and V.P.N. [TS]
◼ ► Companies like Cisco that insists on having their own god awful clients to actually support new operating systems I [TS]
◼ ► just feel like if though if what they're trying to accomplish is enterprise adoption I don't feel like a public beta is [TS]
◼ ► the right lever to pull to get there. Yeah it was in there. Then we go through the whole thing with the Cisco V.P.N. [TS]
◼ ► I'm not going to call them ironically as again their software works hasn't crashed hasn't caused kernel cracks unlike [TS]
◼ ► Wise look I think last time I was it more or less that they had an update but sort of a release train [TS]
◼ ► and they couldn't get their update to support Mavericks onto the release trainer will be out soon [TS]
◼ ► or they had to get it out on the lawn later you know I think that software like that that is essential. [TS]
◼ ► and they want to say something about the O. S. Some bug in the O. S. That Apple has and fix that. [TS]
◼ ► That you told them about an issue is like well we can't go until they fix that bug I don't you know do has a way a [TS]
◼ ► couple weeks is that a big deal. Not really it's better than not being supported for years. [TS]
◼ ► when Oracle didn't have a sixty four bit client library for O S ten for literally years like [TS]
◼ ► and it was just you know that's just inexcusable neglect Cisco was just behind by a week or two whatever [TS]
◼ ► Great but there's a range of stuff here but the public beta is not even on the radar I think of these I.T. [TS]
◼ ► People unless they're worried about their individual employees know about the public beta and trying to install it [TS]
◼ ► Right and then that's kind of my point is that the public beta may do a lot of things for Apple [TS]
◼ ► but where did these what did you call the thing that was on the dock that lets you submit feedback whatever the [TS]
◼ ► feedback app is what it what is the output of that internal to Apple like oh those radars. What is that. [TS]
◼ ► and a couple other people friend of the show Daniel Jack in a few other people right around to be to be D.C. [TS]
◼ ► Time were coming on back and forth about well is any real utility in filing radar blah blah blah [TS]
◼ ► and this is not exactly a forgive me apples to apples comparison but nevertheless much kind of wonder. [TS]
◼ ► I just kind of wonder if this is going to radar that sounds just freaking terrible because I got to imagine they're [TS]
◼ ► Well you'd be able to feel like if it is going to read I would only be because that's the only bucket they have [TS]
◼ ► but it's not as if it would be suddenly cluttering up people's in boxes because there's got to be a process whereby [TS]
◼ ► someone you know there's a first level three eyes of sorting through the giant avalanche of crap because it's coming [TS]
◼ ► Suddenly after this launches people who would normally troll the radars for bugs have a big flood of stuff has got to [TS]
◼ ► be layers of processes before it because so much of it is going to be like you know someone just put in the chair [TS]
◼ ► Well maybe that was not you know not really actionable in the cemetery ten ten zero time frame. [TS]
◼ ► If it is radar it's just radar with some sort of tag or whatever indication that it comes from the public [TS]
◼ ► and four found things that they wouldn't of found otherwise for the developer stuff with the developer using it they [TS]
◼ ► when just developers are using it so they're not going to let it just all sit in a bucket the whole point of this is [TS]
◼ ► but they're going to sift like they're not just going to let it all set there they're going to set for that gold [TS]
◼ ► and hope to find like a one or two weird things or someone with an unexpected configuration [TS]
◼ ► and they're going to look for the big ones crashers data loss kernel panics all all that good stuff. Right right. [TS]
◼ ► And then my final question not because I would actually advocate you giving advice of this capacity [TS]
◼ ► but I know we're going to get a million e-mails of already seen quite a few tweets if you were to recommend a backup [TS]
◼ ► strategy that is the minimum viable backup strategy in order to safely install the assembly beta What do you think that [TS]
◼ ► or a time machine back up to a different Dr I think is what you have to protect yourself from is some catastrophic [TS]
◼ ► So there's a problem the install process like it doesn't even install successfully now you discus unbuildable you [TS]
◼ ► and you just take out the bad disk boot off the super duper disk immediately clone from the super duper just back on [TS]
◼ ► and you're OK But here is the thing that I could not fit in a tweet that people should understand there is still a risk [TS]
◼ ► and it seems to work fine for long use if you use it as your main machine that there's some sort of problem like oh I [TS]
◼ ► Thing became unbelievable and I don't know what to do even if you have a super duper backup from a week ago. [TS]
◼ ► or an hour's worth of work there's always a chance a day lost if you did something somewhere [TS]
◼ ► but I wrote you know two thousand words of an article yesterday. You tell me the two thousand words are gone. [TS]
◼ ► Like uh well you know you just did a back of yesterday should be fine no that was a whole day's worth of work like [TS]
◼ ► Sort of not in proportion to the amount of data that they lose it's just an emotional thing like all that was super [TS]
◼ ► and go oh I didn't realize that I was actually writing a draft locally in my email client a draft is gone you know. [TS]
◼ ► and nobody could possibly be backing up stuff every second you get I mean this is a learning lesson I guess maybe we [TS]
◼ ► should let people go ahead learn learn better about like if there's no such thing as I am instantly backed up all the [TS]
◼ ► or something you could have some chance of you know zero data loss even that you could you still could end up in a [TS]
◼ ► but it's still meaningless because something was in the middle of doing something on a kernel pack anyway. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah so to remember a time machine and you're still not entirely protected. You're never entirely protected. [TS]
◼ ► Even you using a non bedo ass when you're working if something bad happens and the oldest goes corrupt [TS]
◼ ► or you have a hardware failure you're going to lose everything that happened between your last backup and now [TS]
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◼ ► Well I mean I don't have to visit the bill that's one of the first events like we discussed this way back [TS]
◼ ► when we were first discussing the bit I think was after that and I said well they're going to do betas [TS]
◼ ► but I'm sure that the developer releases are you know it's going to be a couple of data is like milestone wise [TS]
◼ ► and that is the case then the seeds will if you're on the mac developer program they will continue to release seeds of [TS]
◼ ► Mostly because you don't expect regular users to be subject to that kind of churn like regular users don't want to even [TS]
◼ ► just doing through software update don't update their oh I said with that frequency so the public betas are going to be [TS]
◼ ► and in between there there's going to be smaller releases of developer use which means essentially public betas may not [TS]
◼ ► and I believe that is actually the case with the public beta where on developer preview release four I can tell you [TS]
◼ ► but that is a difference in the program so developers you're not really missing anything by not being in the public [TS]
◼ ► and seeing that experience the reason I'm doing it is not for development reasons on developer for journalistic purposes [TS]
◼ ► just to see like what it was experience like and what is Apple doing there they have a big fact on the thing [TS]
◼ ► and interestingly in the fact I was wondered how they were going to handle this like how do you like come on [TS]
◼ ► and if you want you know if you decide you don't want to know what are they going to tell them like Oh hi try this beta [TS]
◼ ► I don't like it I want to go back to my old thing that's in the fact it says if you need help returning your mac you're [TS]
◼ ► shipping version of O S ten and we started from a time machine back up which they told you to it too early [TS]
◼ ► or reference online documentation so they're basically saying look if you join this program [TS]
◼ ► and you can't figure out how co-op of care I suppose that's something to the same Apple Care rules as everything else [TS]
◼ ► Yet whatever ninety days free after they charge you but I suppose you could also shop at an Apple store [TS]
◼ ► Probably back to mavericks and then a lot of people are going to have a conversation and the person on the phone [TS]
◼ ► but the thing that Apple's essentially saying you know we will we're here for you if you want to like if you want to do [TS]
◼ ► but really if you just want to wait a little bit longer eventual Yosemite will be a shipping version of worst [TS]
◼ ► and at the final interesting point I want to make is that Apple is explicitly promising that if you get this beta [TS]
◼ ► and you just continue to run software update you will update right through to the retail version which I tweeted about [TS]
◼ ► or less most of the time you've been able to it's not a software update to the release version certainly install on top [TS]
◼ ► but this is the first time that I can recall that Apple is explicitly saying this train of pre release software will [TS]
◼ ► It's a completely officially supported is not like you know you can get away with it and it will probably work [TS]
◼ ► but you might have some weird like POS files left over this is a configuration Apple is supporting [TS]
◼ ► and make sure it really works of there's no weird left over turds from the pre released old screw with the release one [TS]
◼ ► So you'll be left with the profile from the last build blast of building every time that launches it'll crash because [TS]
◼ ► but just never came up in Apple testing because they'd never they didn't really support you taking the last day of [TS]
◼ ► and saying you'll be fine which I mean they have to do obviously you have to tell these people OK now erase your desk [TS]
◼ ► and you know or restore from your backup and install the retail they just want people to get the beta [TS]
◼ ► Well that's convenient I still don't really get the motivation for installing a beta less like on like on my phone [TS]
◼ ► I keep I keep planning on it on the beta for but I keep having other more important things to do [TS]
◼ ► but like on the mac I would I would never install a beta less on my Mac. I'm like that's where I get my work done. [TS]
◼ ► Most people only have one MAC That is their main value of the whole thing was like That's why I don't think most people [TS]
◼ ► are going to back up so installing a spring in my spare macaroni max three is right of course developers developers [TS]
◼ ► have a million of them and hoarders like me have no hit home or not it is never throw them out or sell them [TS]
◼ ► but regular people don't act that way so I mean I don't think there's going to be lots and lots of spam X. [TS]
◼ ► or If you know they didn't have spare mags the spare ones are going to be old and I don't like I thought the old one [TS]
◼ ► or the spare Macs exist for some purpose if the kids computer is ongoing or it's you know it's a MacMini on the T.V. [TS]
◼ ► Dad brought home a box full of three and a half inch diskettes from work I want to say it was like thirty of them [TS]
◼ ► and a half inch disks which took went down and a half and that crap was awesome. Then work was great. [TS]
◼ ► I miss those days. Me I'm dying wish I think we're the only ones and miss it I miss it. Who ever used. [TS]
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◼ ► It was accidental accidental John and you are now sitting on the thing itself to that skill list [TS]
◼ ► and the did you guys unfolding right into now. No want to do that. Yes you so nice I can listen I still read. [TS]
◼ ► I have I haven't been testing some new headphones but of course you have a rich person headphone rental service. [TS]
◼ ► I got of the whole thing about being a rich person is you don't rent the headphones to just buy them. [TS]
◼ ► I'm sure they do like regular amps don't even like the Cell phones are so ridiculous that a regular amp doesn't have [TS]
◼ ► and you said you mention one of the headphones that you didn't that didn't have the power as a new different pair of [TS]
◼ ► This isn't this is not mentioned that pose this is the paramount in the footer saying I would love to try these on time [TS]
◼ ► but I don't know I don't know where I could try to find them and then email people email you [TS]
◼ ► Yeah exactly and so I But you know to buy the headphones and the amp would be like three thousand dollars [TS]
◼ ► and for that you pretty much can't try them in person anywhere you know you can't walk into a Best Buy They don't have [TS]
◼ ► they don't have things that are the specialize you know because they come with a single directional oxygen free crystal [TS]
◼ ► enhanced cables are now you know that's a most of that crap is what the after market people in the hobbyist do the the [TS]
◼ ► Like you know the they they're balanced cables which means they're four pins that are three [TS]
◼ ► and a huge giant axle are plugs Minette that's that's to provide some kind of benefit I'm not quite sure on the on the [TS]
◼ ► rationale there but. So these headphones on a girl I mean come on their amazing. Yeah yeah they're shockingly good. [TS]
◼ ► That's that's that's the gist of it but I don't I'm not crazy about the amp it's giant and the volume knob. [TS]
◼ ► It's one of these things this is really ridiculous I feel bad for even talking about this rather than a typical pot on [TS]
◼ ► a volume knob because just like I believe there usually goes like a variable resistor right potentiometer that's what [TS]
◼ ► Well headphone nerds don't like regular volume knob pots because they apparently they're imprecise [TS]
◼ ► and that in some other ways like there's there's issues with like Channel imbalance where like the left channel like [TS]
◼ ► it's slightly lower than the right a certain position of an obvious because of the I guess the waiter made [TS]
◼ ► Is just like a notched selector and it turns this giant rob the ghost of the entire length of the amp [TS]
◼ ► and it goes to this tremendous drum in the back where each Notch has a pair of resistors like regular resistors [TS]
◼ ► and it's just like turning away it's like a giant like knife switch almost that turns between these pairs of resistors [TS]
◼ ► and it's just this giant drum of all these different resistors for all the different volumes of things that is crazy. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah it's pretty funny I mean it's like it's funny how how crazy this is Anyway once I want to look over weren't [TS]
◼ ► talking I look I'm talking about the hi fi man. E.F. Six amp and the eighty six orthodontic headphones. [TS]
◼ ► or speakers like if you want like the best possible whatever the hell their definition of best as I can assume there is [TS]
◼ ► or whatever listening experience is it better to have if you have unlimited funds to build like the building you're [TS]
◼ ► going to have as a listening experience in right. Just unlimited fund is headphones the way to go or speakers. [TS]
◼ ► I am not familiar enough with the speaker world to say I can at least say that in the headphone world [TS]
◼ ► and one of the big differences is like really really nice headphones like the most of what people consider the best [TS]
◼ ► I'm pretty sure nobody in the speaker Aubut say that any of the best beakers in the world are below like ten grand. [TS]
◼ ► and so that that's one of the big reasons why people like high end headphones so much because they're so much more [TS]
◼ ► accessible. You know high end speakers are basically expensive US cars like there you can see. [TS]
◼ ► Or more you know one hundred thousand years it was like some you know because like there's arguments to where those [TS]
◼ ► The speaker argument is that no headphone is ever going to give you sort of that whole body base feeling that you get [TS]
◼ ► sitting in front of a speaker that has you know a powerful speaker that I like it's not going to be a full body [TS]
◼ ► but on the other hand you would think all the things they can screw up the sound in a speaker as it moves around the [TS]
◼ ► room and I'm going I'm saying you can build the room you want like you have unlimited funds right. [TS]
◼ ► It's like we can cut out all the middlemen and just go like I can put thing right next year [TS]
◼ ► and a half drive a lot of power because right next year year or so I can get you know super accurate [TS]
◼ ► or whatever so you that that's the argument for headphones like we cut out all that crap that all the things all the [TS]
◼ ► potential problems of the sound in an ideal situation like you're not going to build a building of your speakers yet to [TS]
◼ ► And in that case maybe you're better off headphones because we don't have to worry about all the sound bouncing around [TS]
◼ ► And he has a really nice set up which is not limited to vinyl before I get a million e-mails he has a fancy CD player [TS]
◼ ► and as I've sworn to Marco many times that the best speakers he's ever heard are some custom molded in your monitors [TS]
◼ ► that he got from Ultimate Ears that are literally he had the molded for the shape of his ear canal I know Marco that [TS]
◼ ► and away the best speakers I've ever heard. I can only I can only imagine how amazing these things are. [TS]
◼ ► So to me I would guess that in in your monitor or something like it would probably be the best that you can get it. [TS]
◼ ► You're monitors and really fancy headphones do not share that opinion. Real new monitors are very well respected. [TS]
◼ ► However people love the headphones better and like the experts who review like all the top everything like [TS]
◼ ► But in your model I mean and so I can't say that I as Katie said I can't really wear them they hurt my ears too much. [TS]
◼ ► Even the ones there are ones that are more comfortable and I've never tried custom Yes please don't email me [TS]
◼ ► and I think you know it's it probably has a lot to do you know John I think you're right like headphones can do a lot [TS]
◼ ► It is all about the room like for me to build an audio listening room with speakers that would be the same quality I'm [TS]
◼ ► And granted I know that sounds ridiculous to pay even that much for headphones I very aware of that [TS]
◼ ► But if you're really into high quality music it's really a pretty amazing value compared to speakers [TS]
◼ ► It's harder to do that with speakers it's harder to arrange the room it's much larger things [TS]
◼ ► and then the rest of the house hears whatever you're listening to and you hear the rest of the house. [TS]
◼ ► And so you you're able to concentrate on things whether it's the music or something else or both. [TS]
◼ ► Like I don't need full body bass I think the other people like my neighbors and the rest of my family [TS]
◼ ► and my dog probably wouldn't appreciate the full body bass either. Headphones are really fantastic. [TS]
◼ ► but even like what most people consider the best headphones in the world are about five thousand dollars [TS]
◼ ► and they're actually there right next to the air dry was like you you know the next step is is kind of the ear drum of [TS]
◼ ► And so that's I don't imagine that the that the the sweet spot for accuracy versus cutting out the middleman is [TS]
◼ ► and I don't know I don't know if you have right so let's talk about something a little more accessible. [TS]
◼ ► John do you remember this tweet that you tweeted at men a couple days ago as a new Did you get a Playstation three [TS]
◼ ► or four so I borrowed a Playstation three and I bought a Playstation three specifically to play journey Lou [TS]
◼ ► and where you were you spoiled before you played you know anything about it besides it is called Journey. [TS]
◼ ► but that's what the reasonable at this point as a result spoiler for it now were it was your Play Station connected [TS]
◼ ► online when you played it. Yes And did you know that that that it should be or it was just an accident of ice. [TS]
◼ ► OK so I guess I feared I didn't know that there was potential that I would run into other people in that I may [TS]
◼ ► or anything in order to do so because I think I may have listened to the hypercritical we're going to use a [TS]
◼ ► Here is boiled just boil but you didn't but you're you're a spoiler freeness is powered by apathy. [TS]
◼ ► but you didn't care at the times the writing is in the Gotten of them yet you're both absolutely correct. [TS]
◼ ► So let me start by saying that getting journey on to this Play Station is so fucking annoying that it is a testament to [TS]
◼ ► If you had told me you were doing this I would have told you I told Marco to do which is to buy a code on Amazon for [TS]
◼ ► Presumably Amazon already has your credit card and you're comfortable with that and then you get a digital code [TS]
◼ ► or you could get him in keeping this for me all the time that your parents have this Playstation just sitting there. [TS]
◼ ► Yes it was very early on I don't know anything about Playstation three Zor really video games at all [TS]
◼ ► but I know for a fact that this was bought pretty darn early might have one with hardware Playstation two support that [TS]
◼ ► Well the first problem I had was when I borrowed it from mom and dad they didn't give me controllers [TS]
◼ ► I said going to make it hard to do anything you play with a Bluetooth remote I do it a few days until I actually had [TS]
◼ ► Remote kind of how I was playing that flew Ray when I made that tweet about how loud it was [TS]
◼ ► but anyway please tell me you didn't play journey with the bit with the D.V.D. Remote. No no no no no no. [TS]
◼ ► and That I was pretty sure that I could use them even though they were dead while the U.S.B. [TS]
◼ ► So the first thing I do when I turn on the Playstation once I had bothered to connect it to the Internet. [TS]
◼ ► Of course I need to do a system update that work. I don't remember something like half an hour an hour fine. [TS]
◼ ► So then I need to go to the Playstation Store I assume so I can buy journey time. Go to Play Station Store. [TS]
◼ ► Well you need to do another update. Are you freaking kidding me I just did a system. No you need to do a store update. [TS]
◼ ► OK well now I have to download the sixty five make update and install it that hook easily and I want to have two hours. [TS]
◼ ► No idea why it was connected via Eastern MOCA bridge and then all the way up to the router. [TS]
◼ ► I have thirty five thirty five Internet I have no idea what the brain is a bad piece in this chain was. [TS]
◼ ► or three hours after I connect the Playstation to the Internet which I should say before I connected it to the Internet. [TS]
◼ ► I plugged in I put a Blu ray in the drive it played it and I was happy but then I connected it to the Internet [TS]
◼ ► So anyway so I do the system update that takes like half an hour an hour I do the store update that's takes an hour [TS]
◼ ► I'm all excited with myself then and I'm going to purchase it and it says OK you're going to pay with such [TS]
◼ ► No I don't want to do that so it says OK well you can't buy the game again if you had talked to me first [TS]
◼ ► An optical disk and then you were stuck in and the drivers are playing it probably wouldn't at first [TS]
◼ ► and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get it to allow me to put in my own frickin credit card number so [TS]
◼ ► and just Google how the after you've change your credit card number in the Play Station one why is that the fallback [TS]
◼ ► but whatever the credit card number was which I called my dad and confirmed was the correct number. [TS]
◼ ► He indicated that the Play Station would not accept which might have been an expiration date issue [TS]
◼ ► or dad's account I guess I should say go into its like Account Settings and billing settings. [TS]
◼ ► When I go to go to the billing settings it says what your password so I enter the password that my dad has given to me. [TS]
◼ ► This is from his house I'm at my house he goes to the Web site enters the exact same password Oh everything works [TS]
◼ ► magically So we do that whole dance for like half an hour trying to figure out how the crap to get me in to the point [TS]
◼ ► and I think did so quicker than the damn store update even though journey was like half a gig in the store it was fifty [TS]
◼ ► and I thought the play journey dedicated to installing it did not play it on the same day that you download. [TS]
◼ ► I didn't know if I would have time to do all this tonight I have a serious urgency because I really want to talk about [TS]
◼ ► but anyway eventually I finally get to the point that I can start journey and I played it and I liked it. [TS]
◼ ► and the reason I recommend people take a day is not so much because like oh the Playstation always takes a day to [TS]
◼ ► install anything is because the people I'm tying to play journey if they haven't already played it. [TS]
◼ ► They're probably either not gamers or don't have a Playstation three which means they're going to be to borrow one. [TS]
◼ ► Which is worse when it's like someone else's account and as you were being honored as your dad's [TS]
◼ ► If you have a Playstation and use it all the time yet still those annoying updates and still frequently [TS]
◼ ► but you don't have like seventeen of them queued up like my Playstation three right now is completely up to date with [TS]
◼ ► and a place to store I go right into the store I buy it everything's all set up I have money in my play there's an [TS]
◼ ► Still not ideal but it's much better that used to be to give an example way back in the early days. [TS]
◼ ► Different thing would be paralyzed by downloading something like Oh just like the store was yesterday well that's like [TS]
◼ ► more of an update on thing like you just buy a game has like was down on the game I'm going to play something else [TS]
◼ ► and Playstation four is even better in that you can start playing the game before it even downloads because one of the [TS]
◼ ► big features they tout because they're you know they have learned their lesson essentially all the things you complain [TS]
◼ ► Play Station four to make it not be that terrible. This is STILL have a giant loud fan all the time. [TS]
◼ ► The fan even on the slim one there and I haven't tried the current model which is the one even smaller than this one [TS]
◼ ► and no matter how smooth you make the update process an hour quickly it downloads if you're doing an O. S. [TS]
◼ ► and it's frustrating if those come out more than if those come out more frequently than you play essentially every time [TS]
◼ ► and that's what happened with this one is my my parents definitely use the Playstation as a Blu ray player [TS]
◼ ► and to my knowledge when it's in their own house it's connected I to be even better there or their wife and I [TS]
◼ ► but they never do things like go to the store for example to buy anything. The Playstation Store. [TS]
◼ ► and suffering because they don't do the sorts of things that I was trying to do even early on there was a place just [TS]
◼ ► and general I like I would rather have more frequent small updates than have to wait till I get to our thing every once [TS]
◼ ► in a while because I don't play the games on it that often these days I don't even use it for its like media streaming [TS]
◼ ► capabilities because I have all sorts of other solutions mostly involving the phonology to do my media streaming I [TS]
◼ ► and there's an update factored into the time I'm going to play I don't say OK I'm going to dedicate a half an hour [TS]
◼ ► and you know I assume is going to be there because the last time I turn the thing on was like you know three weeks ago. [TS]
◼ ► but for example my Tivo I know the new version if you go so far out but the update I keep going you know. [TS]
◼ ► This is one of those things that like I think it contributes substantially to game consuls now being so unappealing to [TS]
◼ ► the mass market like so it's like there are to really enjoy a game console. You have to be extremely dedicated to it. [TS]
◼ ► This is one of the reasons they've lost casual gaming as like a main market because like if you're a casual gamer the [TS]
◼ ► Well I know but like it's still way better than a P.C. Which is like the you know the it's all a spectrum. [TS]
◼ ► Oh sure but you know compared to like in the olden days if you hadn't any answer Janice's you turn around [TS]
◼ ► and you start playing the game and if you can turn on a form of Doesn't matter is just Arthur [TS]
◼ ► and the benefits are that if you bought an original Playstation three when you first got it it was crappy [TS]
◼ ► and getting new capabilities two years down the line whereas you got your Playstation it did get better over time so [TS]
◼ ► What I got I got the memory pack thing for the in sixty four I thought and he asked at the end sixty four [TS]
◼ ► and then sixty four had no fans and their controllers didn't get their hands ugly Well that's debatable [TS]
◼ ► but let me read parts of that here your your thoughts on the game not listening to this section of the after dark if [TS]
◼ ► you have not played journey because we will spoil the spoil the entire game for you all Journey spoiler conditions [TS]
◼ ► OK So the first impression I have won't let me back up just a smidge I thought it was like some sort of side scroller [TS]
◼ ► which I'm sure you know I know that I'm glad you thought that I know that's extremely ignorant of me [TS]
◼ ► So the first couple of impressions I had while the first thing I wrote down was that the soundtrack was good [TS]
◼ ► and then by the end of the game I upgraded it to incredible because I thought the soundtrack was on believe that if you [TS]
◼ ► can buy an i Tunes It is one of the best soundtracks ever made Haas and wintery is amazing. [TS]
◼ ► The second thing I had written down in was basically my second impression was that it was visually very big especially [TS]
◼ ► when you know what it was going to be a side scroller the world in which you play is quite a bit larger than I had [TS]
◼ ► and I wasn't I wasn't one hundred percent sure if those were what is it what is the term N.P.C.S. or For actual humans. [TS]
◼ ► But the way one or two people I'd seen they behaved in such a way that I I couldn't really tell. [TS]
◼ ► And this is despite the fact that you knew that there was a possibility you could see other people in the game. Yes. [TS]
◼ ► And so I thought like the background knowledge I had made me think these were actual people. [TS]
◼ ► and there was at first there was nothing that I saw that convinced me that this was a human being. [TS]
◼ ► I think people who don't play games a lot have much more faith in computer control players than I don't think that [TS]
◼ ► anyone who plays video games all the time can immediately distinguish a human from an AI because they are just so. [TS]
◼ ► No in games. Yeah well you know I mean it's been a long time since I played these sorts of games but in any case. [TS]
◼ ► So I went through I don't know the first I'll call it level which I don't mean that dismissively [TS]
◼ ► but I went to the first level or two and eventually I got well firstly I realize that this was a puzzle game [TS]
◼ ► and to me having played Monument Valley before this it felt vaguely similar to Monument Valley although clearly a very [TS]
◼ ► And again I don't mean that to be offensive I apologize to you John if there isn't anyone else that really likes [TS]
◼ ► but that's what I thought I was you know this kind of Monument Valley there's puzzles there kind of self-explanatory I [TS]
◼ ► The only sort of tutorial or help was occasionally a little outline or kind of overlay of the controller came up [TS]
◼ ► and told you to either push or hold something. But anyway after a couple of stages levels what have you. [TS]
◼ ► I ended up kind of going through a level with somebody and I didn't pay close enough attention to see that [TS]
◼ ► when they spoke if you will if that symbol was the same symbol I saw two or three levels later [TS]
◼ ► and what I did find however was that I I really wanted to see where this was going and be cooperative [TS]
◼ ► and the indication I got from kind of body language for lack of a better description was that this other person also [TS]
◼ ► and so there were a couple of levels like one where you kind of got an A not to describe it [TS]
◼ ► but there was like a center column and you had to go around different pedestals around the outside [TS]
◼ ► Well I think I have no idea who this person is I'm not even one hundred percent convinced it is a person I think it's a [TS]
◼ ► Your motion ship was activated by motion ship had indeed activated it because your you know it's because your Play [TS]
◼ ► or is that it might have hardware is a part of we never he didn't know you just can't be wrong. [TS]
◼ ► Act like I finally got you wrong on something. Anyway let's concentrate on the facts here. But you're right. [TS]
◼ ► or two later I wound up being next to another person and it very well could have been a totally different person [TS]
◼ ► but again because I wasn't paying close enough attention to the little symbol that that came up when they spoke. [TS]
◼ ► and it just after the game was over to occur to me that that is a really peculiar reaction in motional investment I got [TS]
◼ ► but either way I was I was really taken aback by how emotional I got about trying to get through this with my buddy. [TS]
◼ ► Yes I believe so but we got separated for a long time and I don't know if we finished together [TS]
◼ ► and I think of that as like as you go on the levels become sort of more fraught with danger [TS]
◼ ► and it's like if you're with someone in the early kind of playing around levels then you know that's that's one thing [TS]
◼ ► when those like creepy shooter kill you preacher guy things came that scared the piss out of me and I wasn't. [TS]
◼ ► and the what he called the incomparable observer talking returning as we address these very issues that's the whole [TS]
◼ ► but there is no there is no established gameplay mechanic where you are where you're sure can I die can I not die. [TS]
◼ ► Does one hit kill me if I have you know the only thing you have going for you is like if I fall from a height will I [TS]
◼ ► and you have the butterflies of pretty much are not going to die from a fall but everything else is up for grabs [TS]
◼ ► when something does threaten you the game has not established up front rules that make you confident that you know how [TS]
◼ ► much life do I have are you know can I can I get hurt or can I die. OK it was my abilities. [TS]
◼ ► and I should also go back I forgot to mention I was looking at my notes that developing some sort of like a language [TS]
◼ ► and I'm not sure if we really succeeded in developing a you know making air quotes language [TS]
◼ ► but it was weird like does just saying it like just just just hitting what is that circle to like do a momentary ping [TS]
◼ ► Do the like really loud shouty thing is that happy yours. Did you figure out how to sit down. [TS]
◼ ► You probably saw your companion sit down perhaps I want to be fair at how you yourself could sit down at like the end [TS]
◼ ► Now I didn't know that they are like at this point if you see someone in the game chances are good that it's someone [TS]
◼ ► who's played the game multiple times before and they're playing it again and they would know how to do that. [TS]
◼ ► That's something you can do one of the one of the you don't have a lot of choices for actions the game that you can [TS]
◼ ► move you can press your little circle button you can you know you can sing you can fly you can also sit [TS]
◼ ► So anyway so I get to the snow area and again the way they any time I play a game which is rare to begin with [TS]
◼ ► and discovery is how they teach you to play the game and I feel like Monument Valley is a great example of this. [TS]
◼ ► and you have to stand behind a little pedestal things that was really neat because it was hard enough that it took me a [TS]
◼ ► second to think about what am I going to do here but it was easy enough that it was pretty quickly obvious. [TS]
◼ ► and journey is at a low enough level where there's not this big expectation of gaming knowledge to get through because [TS]
◼ ► you don't want to interrupt sort of the flow of the game the point of the game is not like a text adventure like you [TS]
◼ ► and figure out something really obscure to you know like the Hitchhiker's Guide text adventure like the whole point of [TS]
◼ ► and if you get hung up on things that have to do with the game even if it's the puzzles in the games that sort of [TS]
◼ ► interrupting the flight it's not that type of game so I'm glad like that's you're looking for a little bit of challenge [TS]
◼ ► but I think more of the challenge should be you know emotional investment in your relationship with this other thing in [TS]
◼ ► Until like they put it up right in front of the beginning of the game they show your big friggin mountain with a light [TS]
◼ ► and they've got a title it's pretty clear what you're doing in the game like that so they never had to ask you [TS]
◼ ► Yes with an asterisk at the end it was clear to me that I wanted to step into the light which made me wonder is this [TS]
◼ ► but I remember like you know in the beginning of the game you just start the game up like does the title sequence like [TS]
◼ ► I guess the game is called Journey so you're obviously probably going to be going on a journey. [TS]
◼ ► But other than that do you know where you were going maybe not why but where I figured I was going towards that way. [TS]
◼ ► Yes Now right now what I will say though is at the various like checkpoints within a level where you look at a mural [TS]
◼ ► and the like cut scenes where the exposed more of that tapestry looking thing I totally missed the point of all of that [TS]
◼ ► That's a shame because they're trying to tell a story I mean that's the thing about well that's what I realized late [TS]
◼ ► Well I mean not just the tapestries that you find it likely that the cut scenes between levels where they show more in [TS]
◼ ► tapestry style I guess that you mentioned earlier that you know they're just in the very beginning like the control on [TS]
◼ ► but there is no text which is great for localization but you're not going to say that the reason they did it [TS]
◼ ► but it's an awesome like extra bonus pool yeah right nothing to localize. But there's no text in the game. [TS]
◼ ► Everything is explained through I mean the note you can't type to people you can only do a little thing with your [TS]
◼ ► The cut things don't have subtitles there's no no one speaks at any point of the murals tell the story through pictures [TS]
◼ ► so do the cut scene so does everything in the entire game until the very end and the great sequence right [TS]
◼ ► Just like life just like life because everybody dies K.Z. All men are more and that's that's fair. But a great game. [TS]
◼ ► I mean that's part of that's part of that's part of your journey right. That's kind of you know I mean I did. [TS]
◼ ► Did you feel like you had failed at that point because I think yes I think that I think that is an intentional natural [TS]
◼ ► feeling because if you are not spoiled and don't know this captain happens you feel like boy haven't gone astray [TS]
◼ ► or any advantage by the way did you get through the underground part with your scarf interactive did you get you know [TS]
◼ ► didn't I guess we got bitten once or twice but I believe it just took a section of the scarf. [TS]
◼ ► and I think we both made it through although I definitely had more scarf than he did at the end of it [TS]
◼ ► but it wasn't very clear to me the correct mechanism to hide I just kind of ran away from a little spotlight anything [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I mean like what they try to do with the jump scare and the underground level like the [TS]
◼ ► when the thing first comes out they want to establish that you know I mean it's like a little kid that why should I be [TS]
◼ ► Don't worry there is a system as you go back through and play and you can see that they have they're activated [TS]
◼ ► but like the whole thing is the jump scare a supposed to be like we don't have to explain how this game works do you. [TS]
◼ ► and the two things you have in your head is I'm going to journey I have to get to this place. [TS]
◼ ► but the levels kind of guide you like look I came from here I'm going to their big scary thing is between me [TS]
◼ ► and there I have to get there without big scary things seeing me so it's sort of a hide and seek that game right. [TS]
◼ ► It is not rocket science and they're just trying to sort of at a base level let's let you know what you have to do [TS]
◼ ► and let you understand that you want to do that in a way that does not bring you in contact with the thing that just [TS]
◼ ► So eventually I died and then I followed the light and then I made it to the game and then the big reveal happens [TS]
◼ ► or what I consider to be the big reveal which was a new I don't recall the words that they used you probably do. [TS]
◼ ► But these are the people that you encountered while you were playing the game and there were like five [TS]
◼ ► and that was an aha moment in so far as I realized OK that was definitely a real person that I had some modicum of a [TS]
◼ ► but it was also an aha moment in so far as oh that might not have been my one body that I had that I thought I was [TS]
◼ ► or six different people that I was interacting with for most of the game companions met along the way by the way [TS]
◼ ► when they first before you sort of team up with somebody chances are good that you caught glimpses of other people who [TS]
◼ ► when you see a long list of things is not that it was a different person every single thing is that you encountered [TS]
◼ ► and that was a thing only way to know for sure is to get looked a little symbols which do vary from game to game in [TS]
◼ ► Yeah which I realized once I saw that screen and I started to wonder like Have I seen that same symbol or not [TS]
◼ ► Yes and it was clear that the game was not over what do you think was going on there. I wasn't really clear like. [TS]
◼ ► So here's the thing. I never had done well in English class or with movies at looking at deep symbolism. [TS]
◼ ► and I knew that it was like the big white guys right now I don't mean that is a racial statement I mean the white the [TS]
◼ ► and they don't think they're like you can understand that I think entirely on a surface emotional level [TS]
◼ ► Like I know what I took from it but like how did you put it this way nor who cares like what you think happened. [TS]
◼ ► I'm happy for the most part that I didn't actually fail because I knew for several reasons one I didn't want to admit [TS]
◼ ► But also I felt a little bit just because I was like man what the hell I thought that I was actually dead. [TS]
◼ ► What the hell does a bit of events where were you with were you with a companion in the snow now. [TS]
◼ ► Not a tap not it in the beginning yes but they eventually they eventually collapse before I did. [TS]
◼ ► But no but you're with them going up the Big Hill just a day. They collapsed before you did. Correct. [TS]
◼ ► All right so you go and that's why did you feel and how did you feel as you went through that last part [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I mean at that point if memory serves it's basically just mashing forward on the analog stick until you get to the [TS]
◼ ► I felt like I was probably supposed to be more into what was actually happening at that point [TS]
◼ ► but it was at this point that I was starting to reflect on what had just happened in the game [TS]
◼ ► and the other thing I will note is I don't remember if it was before or after death I want to say it was after death [TS]
◼ ► and you have to keep walking forward for like a freak an hour and I was I was really confused whether [TS]
◼ ► and I encourage you to play it again in a more mellow environment it is not a lot of blood pressure so much pressure I [TS]
◼ ► or whatever I mean if they had issues on her for her to play through as well anyway I get it it's never going to be for [TS]
◼ ► and for a lot of other people it just because like it's like if you see a movie you never heard anything about [TS]
◼ ► and you go see it like it's not going to be the same because you've heard all these people talking about it ever [TS]
◼ ► and like versus just being like this is a new game just came out that I let me give it a try [TS]
◼ ► and being you having your socks knocked off and even if you play this on day one like as I said to make you go play it. [TS]
◼ ► and if you have a first play through where you either don't meet anybody or meet people who come [TS]
◼ ► and going versus trying to play to play through it as someone go who's going to stay with you how well they're going to [TS]
◼ ► I can expect this game to hit people the same way it hit me because the way I played it in the environment I played it [TS]
◼ ► in and my mindset and just the way I take in games like this is very different than people don't play games [TS]
◼ ► and I think then if you can get yourself to be less cerebral you can have a different experience of the game [TS]
◼ ► but you're never going to have another first experience of the game so that this was your first experience [TS]
◼ ► and certainly I was struck by how emotional I got about being friends with my buddy and I and that may sound you know. [TS]
◼ ► And when he or she eventually collapsed in the snow I was pretty sad about it and I was really happy [TS]
◼ ► when I saw that what it was what did you say companions that you met along the way or something like that. [TS]
◼ ► When I saw that knew for a fact that that was a person that made me really happy. I definitely really liked the game. [TS]
◼ ► I feel like the best analogy I can make is that I feel the same way about this in that I did about the movie Inception [TS]
◼ ► and if you give me a second to explain I saw the whole I don't like that movie I know I don't like [TS]
◼ ► and what I mean by that is I really like Inception a lot and we can argue another day as to whether or not I should [TS]
◼ ► The problem I have with inception was I didn't see it until like a year or so maybe even two years after it came out [TS]
◼ ► and everyone I knew was like oh my god inception is the best movie ever walks up to the inception of the best movie [TS]
◼ ► ever You've gotta see it it's so good and I was coming or whatever guys I don't I don't care. [TS]
◼ ► And so I actually went into an inception kind of wanting to dislike it which I did not do a journey well despite the [TS]
◼ ► and I enjoyed journey enough that if I happened to come across a couple hours of spare time I probably played again [TS]
◼ ► just to see see it all over and pay a little closer attention to like the murals or tapestries [TS]
◼ ► Go into it more as a sort of motional sensory experience and worry less about the ciphering the plot [TS]
◼ ► or worry about anything like that because really I mean you've got the whole campaign ship thing like that is [TS]
◼ ► Big part of this game you got at least fifty percent of the people making this game we're trying to educate the other [TS]
◼ ► part is sort of the journey aspect of it like that you could get just playing by yourself even if there was no other [TS]
◼ ► players this is other part of the experience that they're hoping to bring you through. But with the campaign thing. [TS]
◼ ► Speaking of the mechanics are made out of cared about or picked up like the sitting when you were in the snowy bits [TS]
◼ ► and you're kind of scarf was freezing and stuff did you realize that when you touch each other you sort of glow [TS]
◼ ► and light up and that fights off the cold and it sort of urges you to huddle together over that mechanic not clean now. [TS]
◼ ► when you're going uphill in that you're like if you have established I had had it with your body. [TS]
◼ ► I've now essentially physical closeness of like being a way to ward off the frost which robs you [TS]
◼ ► but just you know that the whole freezing textures encroaching on your outfit if you stay close to each other you can [TS]
◼ ► when you're going up that final hill with that established pattern you will be huddled up close to each other because [TS]
◼ ► that's what you've been doing for the whole snow levels like oh guys really cold we need to huddle together home [TS]
◼ ► together eventually stops working on that hill that's you know eventually just freeze to death and die [TS]
◼ ► when you have this established sort of closeness type of thing that has been we've been saving each other thus far [TS]
◼ ► and now saving each other isn't working and you have got the same thing with you were separate [TS]
◼ ► but it's like yeah I would say you would think this is a game does not reward repeated platers because little surprise [TS]
◼ ► It's all true now right you know everything's going to happen and yet as I think to fool a test. [TS]
◼ ► Maybe not immediately maybe let it stew for a while I would definitely buy the soundtrack because if I have I like [TS]
◼ ► or two tracks on the soundtrack thrown into your random i Tunes Next see if you don't mind when they come on [TS]
◼ ► and here are finally my final question about the game and faithfully proud of me. Did you watch the credits. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I do not do if it does I don't watch the credits in theater mostly because I want to get out of the theater [TS]
◼ ► and it's not like you have to because a stupid scene is the end of the credits which drives me nuts and credit [TS]
◼ ► but for video games I always watch the ending credits because videogame credits unless that's just a bunch of words [TS]
◼ ► going were black but even then I'll see if there's any new and credits in general are not interactive [TS]
◼ ► So next time you finish turning I mean I encourage you to watch through the entire menu muster because you saw the [TS]
◼ ► but if you watch the whole I mean it's if you just like the traditional thing is to show you all the places that you've [TS]
◼ ► been to make you feel like you've accomplished something are going to time is amazingly good at that to show you all [TS]
◼ ► the people you've met all the places you've been the effect you've had on the world journey. [TS]
◼ ► It shows you all the places you've been in reverse order all of them in different environments with other people in the [TS]
◼ ► It's got great music during the credits nicely composed with the text you get to see the names of the handful of people [TS]
◼ ► and I transitioned into the menu again. Oh yes start a new journey or whatever you know the one thing. [TS]
◼ ► when you mentioned the credits is that I noticed in what I had been programmed by the late ninety's to think of as a [TS]
◼ ► when bridges were forming out of the like big stars for lack a better way of describing them I realized I could still [TS]
◼ ► jump in move in see my character jumping in moving like you know the Nintendo sixty four era that we're going to cut [TS]
◼ ► Now you can like still move around while that's going on which I was pretty impressed by that I'm sure for you that was [TS]
◼ ► like completely unremarkable but I was like oh I'll go and press by the larger world and journey. [TS]
◼ ► when I had tried the N sixty four because I had not played a console since like the Nintendo Super Nintendo things had [TS]
◼ ► If you're impressed by the large open world in Journey rest assured that actual open world games are just WAY bigger. [TS]
◼ ► You know so and so yeah I really did like the game I would play it again if I could find a couple hours to do so [TS]
◼ ► and now the only problem I have is that I need to read basically everything you've ever written on the Internet [TS]
◼ ► and listen to basically every pod cast you've ever been a part of in order to catch up one short article is like two [TS]
◼ ► There's a pod cast which is shorter than the one we're doing right now and then and I love them [TS]
◼ ► and I think that's about it. Just and then the after dark thing with depth which is even shorter. [TS]
◼ ► Q I'm up it's not that long you know in this time I have run an ALTER TABLE sixty three bugs sort of support e-mails [TS]
◼ ► So the punishment for not playing journey when you when you were able you were all set to play journey for so long [TS]
◼ ► and just wouldn't do it. So now you had to listen to several of the conversations about another once but twice. [TS]
◼ ► Actually didn't didn't even listen winter was I guess you couldn't because you know that one's at sea now and K.C. [TS]
◼ ► See your reward for doing your homework is John telling you to do it again telling you you have to tell test to play [TS]
◼ ► again but she did and she enjoyed it so there you go making people happy market what are you doing. [TS]
◼ ► Yes I think the top rated title not suitable for any purpose is pretty darn good. I do like that one. [TS]
◼ ► I would say about to make fun of the person who put one is for spam about their inability to Title Case I look to the [TS]
◼ ► right author Marco you know what the title cases I can give you command line scriptable turning out to go to hide OK [TS]
◼ ► However I'm following precedent that we have always capitalized every word for all of our titles. [TS]
◼ ► If you know the one the dives in the titles that we not only not lately usually see lately it's not it's not a [TS]
◼ ► precedent as the people establish our style guide to be established early mistakes not just because we didn't read well. [TS]
◼ ► I also just you know just to do like this that we're going to subtly drive you crazy over time. [TS]
◼ ► and look at the Instapaper one point of screams out so I go God how did I even ship that these titles to be like this. [TS]
◼ ► Later in your life you notice who Joe underscore underscore underscore underscore who suggested not suitable for any [TS]
◼ ► That looks weird to me like why isn't any then lower case doesn't make sense Don't argue just follow the rules. [TS]
◼ ► but the rules about like you supposed to put the period inside the quotes at the end of the U.K. Versus the U.S. [TS]