The Accidental Tech Podcast

78: Fleece the Whales

 

  How do we always have this much talk about even when we have nothing to talk about. [TS]

  Blabber mouth and that's where you can get more out of your system I guess [TS]

  and you won't have much to say here because I'm definitely don't want to bow guarding the mike of the three of us. [TS]

  It's John and he was always my job because you invented fart is not really that big of a surprise. [TS]

  I put all this all up you guys can provide all been to you know you know we don't believe in following up on things [TS]

  because we're just always right. Undo is being right. Adding additional information. [TS]

  People ask on the like on the earning calls Come get some more color on that would provide more. [TS]

  First item is that new reversible U.S.B. [TS]

  Connector that we talked about many many many shows ago they have a report of the final at the spec [TS]

  and released a bunch of images of what the connector is supposed to look like if you look mission out you can see it. [TS]

  We have like mock ups before we already knew that it wasn't going to be like lightning it wasn't going to be a solid [TS]

  metal thing with contacts on the top and bottom but rather was going to be more like an existing U.S.B. [TS]

  Connector is worth it. [TS]

  Some kind of shaped metal shell and then inside the little metal shell is all [TS]

  but inside there has been a picture of the innards is like a little hole [TS]

  and then in the thing you plug it into There is a little board with contacts on top and bottom [TS]

  and anyway it's difficult to explain look at pictures in the show notes you can see what it looks like it's not very [TS]

  exciting to look at I guess I mean it's got to it's basically like a rectangle around and caps on the right [TS]

  and left side that I guess is not much more to say about except there's one comment on the art I think a story which [TS]

  will link from PETER BRIGHT who is known for being wrong about everything all the time. [TS]

  Yeah that's kind of his reputation. Way to put it gently How do you really feel in a pleasant way. [TS]

  Not even on the form that he knows lots of things [TS]

  but one of those whenever there's a choice to make one decision other based on subjective criteria he chooses wrong. [TS]

  It's this like the John Surtees equivalent of bless his heart now. Anyway he wrote in the comments. [TS]

  The big question is Where are the sprung parts U.S.P. [TS]

  Traditionally get this right putting them in the cable which is cheap and easy to replace. [TS]

  Apple did it wrong putting them in the port which is expensive endeavor to replace when he's talking about is [TS]

  when you have a connector were two contacts pressed up against each other one of them has that one [TS]

  or both of them have to have some give to them otherwise you would have to if they were both completely rigid you'd [TS]

  have to have a perfectly aligned [TS]

  and you had to have these little you know metal things touching each other exactly one of them you want to be kind of [TS]

  like a spring so it is a little bit of what's going on you know. [TS]

  Then they move back and forth the spring will account for that motion by staying in contact with the thing. [TS]

  And traditionally it is like one rigid part [TS]

  and one springy part of I suppose you could do to spring apart to work the same and Lightning connector. [TS]

  The little thing you plug in is Steph you can look at the little metal solid metal thing with contacts on top [TS]

  and bottom [TS]

  but inside the connector are these little kind of springy finger things that are with no connectors in it they are [TS]

  closer together than the connector than the within the connector [TS]

  when you shove the connector in it presses the springy things apart so that [TS]

  when it's inserted in there the connectors are pressing against the contact areas of the Lightning connector with a [TS]

  little bit thing staying contact with each other. And Peter is saying that in U.S.B. [TS]

  The little springy things are inside the connectors so if they get on springy or they start to get loose [TS]

  or whatever fine you throw it out the cable you get a new one [TS]

  and enlightening the little springy things are inside the connector itself so the cable doesn't matter if those little [TS]

  springy things get loose you need to replace the thing that the cable connection to which makes some sense [TS]

  but the big question always is what is the expected lifetime of those friendly things at the expected lifetime of the [TS]

  little springy things exceed the expected lifetime of the device then you're fine. [TS]

  If it doesn't then you have problems presumably Apple took us into account. [TS]

  I like the idea as if I could run the patches that the Lightning connector is you know is very physically robust it is [TS]

  a solid little [TS]

  and good of metal that does have very fine connect contacts on it which I guess is just the price of being small [TS]

  and having you know you need like what is it for connectors there. [TS]

  Forget how many are lighting I guess again they are this thing look older than eight. [TS]

  I think they had any side room yeah. [TS]

  Anyway it's a lot of characters in a small place [TS]

  but the connector itself like there's nothing to snag on anything you can bang it around and it will probably be OK. [TS]

  It seems more robust to me than a similarly sized connector the U.S.B. Three you know U.S.B. [TS]

  Type signature is bigger than lightning [TS]

  but not that much I think we went over the exact size in the meters on the previous episode [TS]

  but it's hollow so it's got this really skinny shell [TS]

  and inside the little shells a little gap where the thing plugged into it [TS]

  and I'm not sure how durable that will be compared as now. [TS]

  He's right there's like well if you have to replace something [TS]

  when you rather replace the cheap cable then replace buildings of you have if you had something fragile into your cable [TS]

  like your connectors are fragile and you I think you know stepped on them or they got dropped inventor [TS]

  or whatever also what you buy a new cable. [TS]

  So it's not so bad for the connectors to be fragile of the springy parts is a good point there I'm not quite sure how [TS]

  that's going to work out in practice I don't think lightning has been in the market long enough for anyone to have a [TS]

  Lightning connector device where the little springy things become and springy or get permanently bent up [TS]

  or lose their spring. [TS]

  Well what's interesting is that this actually might be a good design in Apple's part because it certainly seems from [TS]

  the sound of people complaining when lightning came out that the cables might outlast people's use of the devices. [TS]

  Well they still have the little you know little string really sleeves on the edge. [TS]

  Sure yeah like those things those things always wear out [TS]

  but I'm saying like I bet I bet that the average person who has more than one i Phone in their life they probably keep [TS]

  cables around because I'm like. [TS]

  Why do you like it was really annoying to me when I when I bought lightning cables when when F.M. [TS]

  Five came out because I had accumulated so many dock able to over the years that I wanted to like you know at least [TS]

  partially matched my collections so I could have all the convenience of having these things everywhere. [TS]

  I bet that the head of cross somebodies mind at some point in an apple in a home center that actually you know most [TS]

  people replace their i Phone every one to two years. Where are these cables might hang around for five years or more. [TS]

  Well the thing about the cables I do I also have a lot of old cables hanging around [TS]

  but I would imagine the part that fails in the cables I guess that is not the connector part of the unwinding [TS]

  or even the dock connector which is crazy wide thing with very weird you know tiny contacts in there. [TS]

  I'm still amazed at the connector ever worked. [TS]

  Yeah I know still using a map [TS]

  but it said it's the the wire itself especially the strain relief parts for people who are not delicate with their [TS]

  devices [TS]

  and yank it out eventual ie the part where the wire goes into the connector starts to fray one side goes doesn't matter [TS]

  that your Connector is still fine the whole wire is dead. You could be right especially for phones. [TS]

  Unlike a two year replacement cycle contracts in the US that the cable my out of the thing the thing about I mean I [TS]

  said lighting hasn't been around for a while for a long enough for us to know if the little springy things are a [TS]

  problem. [TS]

  We do know that in all connectors dock port lightning anything with any portable device that you carry around pockets [TS]

  and stuff lint is an issue if there's a hole in a vise and you're carrying around your pocket or in your purse. [TS]

  Lint will get in there and I know many people who have had to either had to go to the Apple Store [TS]

  or sort of done surgery on their own with like an artistic and dental tools [TS]

  or something to remove big wads of lint from because like you mentioned if you pack in enough lint in your thing [TS]

  and try to put the light in character [TS]

  and it won't go all the way in it will basically be prevented from from seating [TS]

  and you know there's too little dents in the side of lightning connection of these other these other two little springy [TS]

  things grab onto it [TS]

  and then you know it's probably seeded that's why you get that little click if you had enough crap inside that you can [TS]

  even get it seated. [TS]

  That's there's not much I think that connector can do about that except maybe not having it open on being more like Mag [TS]

  safe or that has its own set of problems but anyway I'm glad U.S.B. [TS]

  Is getting reversible I think the connector looks OK would've preferred if it looked to work like lightning [TS]

  but there is an open question about durability for both of them because neither one has existed long assed know long [TS]

  enough for us to know and I'm just proud of them for finally making possibly maybe just maybe a micro U.S.B. [TS]

  Connector that isn't totally infuriating to insert a remove. Let's not go too far. [TS]

  Join the eight bazillion other kinds of U.S.B. [TS]

  Connectors that are out there in this thread on our stepping on the common thread about this connector. [TS]

  Got a million people posted the X K C comic about you know competing standards [TS]

  and how the you know to many standards I know make one standard that everyone can use now you just created one more [TS]

  standard. [TS]

  That's the history of Us speak like that just get creating a connector as a connector there are so many of them [TS]

  and so many different shapes and sizes plus the weird proprietary ones that occasionally people come out with it [TS]

  or only appear on one or two devices. [TS]

  Hopefully this new reversible one will sweep away all the old ones at the very least I hope it replaces everything on [TS]

  P.C. Laptops and desktops. [TS]

  I don't really care so much about like cameras [TS]

  and stuff like that because I think there is going to do their own thing but anyway I welcome my new U.S.B. [TS]

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  What else is in follow up John. [TS]

  Yeah you wonder the next one just pasted in there but I have no particular tied to it more than anyone else does. [TS]

  Well I don't know which parts in particular you want to talk about [TS]

  but this is from Gavin regarding arm Max And again there's like three hundred words here I don't know which particular [TS]

  words you felt were important. You're failing as a summary. [TS]

  You know I think this is the one Austin where you can select a bunch of text and ask it to summarize it for you. [TS]

  Back in the day that was that was created that did the news article only. [TS]

  Yeah all right anyway this this is from Gavin [TS]

  and he asked a question about our Max's ideas what about instead of an R Mac. [TS]

  What about a traditional mac form factor device but with an ARM C.P.U. [TS]

  Running I a less and not owe us ten I think that's essentially what he's asking about here. What would that accomplish. [TS]

  That like one of those silly logic tech keyboard covers doesn't other than the fact that it would be less silly. [TS]

  Well I think the idea is that like I was the neuro US IOW US has less annoying stuff [TS]

  and it is easier for people to use. Why should a laptop to be stuck with the more complicated O. [TS]

  Us why can't we make a laptop form factor but have run i OS [TS]

  and I think the obvious answer to that is that you know what to do to touch screen [TS]

  or not because that's the question first question oh that's right I was running I was I was doesn't work with a mouse [TS]

  pointer It's a touching thing so I might get me touching the screen of my laptop. [TS]

  No you use the same malice and keyboard combinations that the eye was simulator uses because those are super fun [TS]

  and there's still no shortcut to adjust in any text size does not feel like the exact one about a laptop a wimp a [TS]

  version of I O. As you know so the saying is going to Windows What is one point does something internal fuel P.H.P. [TS]

  Pointer whatever a thing is going to have a competitive Chromebook basically So the idea is instead of you know having [TS]

  having I was go down market for the like that [TS]

  and the other the other part of the you know as one of you had something that was like an Intel computer in the house [TS]

  which goes the truck but each person has their own like I was device that either docks with or connects with bad [TS]

  and you don't. Never a place to begin till computer few years. [TS]

  But to replace the IOA things more frequently and [TS]

  when I read this part I thought it seems like well I don't know their place in cycles [TS]

  but it seems like the replacement cycle for private in particular is not particularly frequent like they are hanging [TS]

  around a way longer I know they hang around longer than Macs are [TS]

  but they certainly hang around for a long time because they're not tied to a contract There's nothing artificial making [TS]

  your crit so I know so so many people who still have i Pad ones being used in the house. [TS]

  Granted kids but like you cannot kill these things like if you don't physically break it [TS]

  and it still runs the same five apps [TS]

  and it was running before I guess at a certain point maybe like if you can't view youtube on it anymore of the browser [TS]

  become so all that you can use most Web sites that will kill it but well you haven't answered this question. [TS]

  Kind of trying to show underscore David Smith just updated his version stats page to include the average device age [TS]

  which for an i Pad is eight hundred eighty three days. [TS]

  And by comparison an i Phone is eight hundred four days so a difference of what is an eighty days some like thirty [TS]

  about eighty days. [TS]

  Yeah I thought I saw the stats [TS]

  and I was surprised that they were so similar you would think the upgrade cycle on phones would make them last longer [TS]

  but anyway. [TS]

  The thing the problem with the underscore of underscores that is I don't know if he has a broad enough cross-section of [TS]

  the user base I think a lot of the people who used apps or know about them might be in a nerd circle [TS]

  and could be skewing things a bit but well this is all from audiobooks alone I thought. [TS]

  Which is a little bit more mainstream. [TS]

  Yeah I suppose [TS]

  and then you know now that I think about it like in the same way that i Pads get handed down I do know a lot of cousins [TS]

  for example who have old versions of their parents' phones so I don't know. [TS]

  Print Also not everyone is on a two year cycle. [TS]

  You know that that from what I gather is maybe not a uniquely American thing but a particularly American thing. [TS]

  Yeah so I'm not sure about Gavin's theory here I think. [TS]

  I've got a lot of issues in terms of the input for the you know Iowa's power to Chromebook type thing. [TS]

  I like the idea of trying to get rid of the legacy concerns of the back [TS]

  but we don't have we're not anywhere close to having a replacement for all the functionality that a mac provides an [TS]

  interest make Iran go ice and solve all these problems. [TS]

  Yeah I don't think any sort of dock like thing would make much sense. [TS]

  I understand he's driving out with a Chromebook [TS]

  and I don't know the Chromebook to me on paper I don't understand why it's appealing [TS]

  but I know Ben Thompson Street tech or e because it used to be strategic or e now it's trajectory. [TS]

  I know he swears by his and I've heard from others so I can remember who that they love they are. [TS]

  But having never used one I don't get it but then again I said the same thing about my pad [TS]

  and I love my pad so I don't know if on paper you don't get it on paper is exactly where I get it. [TS]

  Like Conceptually it conceptually [TS]

  and in theory all the things that they're doing I think are great is just in practice the actual devices. [TS]

  I have not found appealing although maybe I just need use of available ideas like throw it in a river who cares. [TS]

  All your stuff somewhere else you just sign and everything sinks nothing is local. [TS]

  Everything local is just the cash everything's in the cloud all your applications or web applications [TS]

  or similar like that concept you know. [TS]

  Don't worry about backups don't worry about a local device management don't worry about anything it's just like you [TS]

  know it's not a dumb terminal it's a smart terminal you know like you have you have local disk local cache memory [TS]

  G.P.U. [TS]

  All that good stuff that you want what you don't have is local state [TS]

  but you where you've eliminated all the stupid concerns that make us have difficult tech support calls with relatives [TS]

  about how to deal with computing and just you know take away all those concerns [TS]

  but in practice what are the applications. [TS]

  How do you use it how is the experience how was the hardware What is the pricing and performance like [TS]

  and those things aren't quite worked out so well should all be on clay. [TS]

  It will be perfect but school is a better job than I thought. [TS]

  But yeah we're not there yet [TS]

  but like if anyone's going to get there first it's going to be Google so I keep my eye on the chrome book space to see [TS]

  how it's going but so far it's not has not impressed me. Yeah right. So we also have some follow up. [TS]

  This was sent specifically to us right from Jared Sinclair. Yes Thank you. Don't you read your e-mail. [TS]

  Yeah just what I wanted to make sure that makes one of us. [TS]

  So he says in an e-mail to the three of us in my post I was very careful not to assign blame to anyone else for unread [TS]

  failure. [TS]

  Not even to Apple the main purpose of my article was not to assign blame [TS]

  but simply to make my failure a matter of public record. [TS]

  Here's why in response to Brent Simmons recent post about who are the Indian I was developers numerous people on [TS]

  Twitter responded mentioning my name with a high profile reviews of unread [TS]

  and several app store features I could see why an outside observer might assume that unread was earning me a [TS]

  sustainable living. [TS]

  I don't want someone to take my silence as a test approval of that notion more importantly I don't want someone to [TS]

  consider scare quotes going indie to make that career change without hearing about how easy it is to fall to fail [TS]

  excuse me in the App Store. [TS]

  The scale of the App Store with over one hundred million credit cards can make it seem like any given issue is big [TS]

  enough for solo developer to earn a small but sustainable living. [TS]

  The idea there is that great design and great reviews will be enough to carry you. [TS]

  Reality often contradicts contradicts that wishful thinking. As I learned the hard way. [TS]

  Maybe someone out there can learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. [TS]

  So I thought that was pretty interesting and well phrased and similar in kind of relatedly sometime in the last week [TS]

  or so Jared actually took a full time position with someone I say as I stall [TS]

  but it doesn't really matter what someone he talked about it actually on good punk that's called release notes that you [TS]

  should listen to it. If you're a developer especially if you listen to the show that will be relevant to you. [TS]

  It's a very good show and they had him on last week in this way to talk more about it. [TS]

  And yeah it's going to mean we I mean we can talk about this for episodes [TS]

  and episodes we probably shouldn't we probably will. [TS]

  And Ed really quickly a realtime follow up its blog was in that he is joining. Cool. Yes So I mean I don't know. [TS]

  There's so many angles to to this whole thing first of all I don't think it's worth anybody trying to figure out what [TS]

  Indy should mean the definition of the word indie doesn't really matter for the purposes of this argument I don't think [TS]

  that's really a discussion that needs to happen. [TS]

  I don't think we need to care about how many people are there making their living soley on this [TS]

  and you know again like you know what does that mean [TS]

  and I think you can is look around to see you know is this that it's hard. There's a lot of people out there doing. [TS]

  I was active element with the hopes of making money from it [TS]

  and very few of them make a meaningful amount of money from it. [TS]

  That to some degree has always been the case of our friend owners were David Smith did an episode develop in [TS]

  perspective [TS]

  but you should also be listening to during the very first week as we've been discussing a few weeks back where he [TS]

  basically said it's always been hard and he's right I mean I've I've been in the answer since day one [TS]

  and I was I was lucky that Instapaper on well I was actually like day two [TS]

  or three technically because there was a huge backlog of submissions [TS]

  and even though I submitted by the deadline that where they said you'd be there on day one I wasn't. [TS]

  No and I'm not bitter about that. I've been there since roughly day two or three. [TS]

  And yet the fact is it's always been hard. I was lucky that my app was very popular from the start. [TS]

  Relatively speaking. [TS]

  But even that was not that easy to stay to sustain [TS]

  and I've had you know other efforts since then that were not that successful and I saw the side of it too. [TS]

  At some point I want to do a big blog post about marketing and what that actually means. [TS]

  Which is funny coming from me [TS]

  and I would probably would probably include me talking about brands because it's actually relevant you have to think [TS]

  about marketing from the start. [TS]

  Like when I when I meet overcast when it [TS]

  when I decided to start making the very first thing I did after deciding OK I'm going to take this little prototype [TS]

  and I haven't make it into an actual app. [TS]

  The very first thing I did was definitely their pockets out so I could find [TS]

  and make a folder of my phones I could keep tabs on them and see what they had and see what they did [TS]

  and see what they were going to see what they were good at [TS]

  and I took screenshots of all of them I did like a little tour of each app [TS]

  and took a screenshot to say you know here's here's how this applicant may fold [TS]

  or saying you know this is down Cass's unstick as there's a party and like all the all the apps. [TS]

  Here's how they look here they're setting screen here the playback screen here's their list screen here's the options [TS]

  you know that they have and whatever I did all this so that I could have like this portfolio of info [TS]

  and then I made a list saying here's what I plan to do with my app. [TS]

  How will it be better than or worse than these apps and what you know in what regards Will I be better than this [TS]

  and then you know for each app I had an entry in a big text file saying here's the pros over Casper to the seven here's [TS]

  the cons of ever got up and I did all this not because I'm good at doing research [TS]

  or homework because that's not even close to being true. [TS]

  I did all this because I want to make sure that I had a chance [TS]

  and not a chance of being you know being like a minor success for a week or two. [TS]

  I wanted this app to be to be successful enough that I could develop it for years because that's what I want to do I [TS]

  want to keep working on this I don't like. Now it's out. I've actually there is an update which I get to I guess later. [TS]

  I've I've already fixed many of the known bugs if I if I want to get to bed in this app move I could probably have been [TS]

  about another two months but I don't want to do that I want to be working on. [TS]

  So far I will be able to you know it's selling well enough that so far I can do that [TS]

  but I did all this research up front and all this planning to to really know like what. [TS]

  What am I really going to be adding to this market [TS]

  and you know Jared points out there's this idea that you know he says idea that great designing your views will be [TS]

  enough to carry you. [TS]

  And that's not and he points out rightly that's that's wishful thinking that's you know that doesn't fit reality. [TS]

  Because the fact is you can have the best launch in the world and be all over Daring Fireball mac stories [TS]

  and I mourn all the great sites that review this stuff. [TS]

  But what you have to look at is an absolute buyer who is just browsing the app store who has searched for the kind of [TS]

  app that you have. They typed in pod cast into the App Store. [TS]

  They get a list of the pod cast apps and they're going to look at the first few [TS]

  and make a decision you have to ask yourself before you even start any work at all you have to ask yourself will that [TS]

  will people meaningfully in meaningful numbers will people buy my app in that situation. [TS]

  They're not going to go to Max Tories. They're not going to Daring Fireball. [TS]

  They're going to go to the app store and look down the list [TS]

  and they're going to they're going to make a few comparisons probably first you look at price [TS]

  and they're in a look at the very first look to see if there's a free one that fits their needs [TS]

  and if they if there is great they're going to stop there and that's it [TS]

  and they judge you based on the icon the title The screen shots. [TS]

  If you're lucky and no one ever ever ever reads the description text I read I read some of it. [TS]

  You're the only person who reads. [TS]

  Yeah I read it too but you know I also read emails so it was like three words visible as different. Yeah. [TS]

  OK two or three words a period you know I knew line one word newline tab for more. [TS]

  Exactly [TS]

  and no one ever Apple Apple there is designing for what people actually do like it used to be more text visible. [TS]

  And over time they've shrunk it big. Presumably because nobody reads it and they can use that space for other things. [TS]

  So you know people have to you have to plan from the start. [TS]

  This is this is marketing this is part of marketing is figuring out where you fit in the market [TS]

  and making sure you're going to fit somewhere that there actually is a market for its marketing from the very beginning [TS]

  it's thinking about the stuff from the very beginning. [TS]

  You have to be able to think you know you have to will make a good case for your app based on no reviews having been [TS]

  read no research having been done. [TS]

  Usually not even people trying trials are different after usually stick with whatever they use first. [TS]

  So in that list when they do they have to be asked or circular browsing a list is you're apt to be compelling enough [TS]

  and the fact is because there are so many apps in the store it's hard to be compelling [TS]

  and especially the model of paid up front. [TS]

  It's the reason it's so hard is because of how people browse the reason the race to the bottom happened is because of [TS]

  that it's because most people are buying apps not from their desktop reading reviews and clicking the link to go to. [TS]

  I do not have the apps and for most people are buying outright from the phone in the App Store app period [TS]

  and probably have to do a search field we don't know for sure yet [TS]

  but I have it once we have better analysts will find it out pretty quickly probably through through browsing topless [TS]

  first and searching for terms a distant second. [TS]

  And you know most people are going to be on the top list so you know your hope is searching for terms [TS]

  when they browse the list and they see that one of the apps is free or that like three or four of them are free [TS]

  and there's your apps and there are four bucks you don't stand a chance. You just don't. [TS]

  If people if people hear about your app in some other way [TS]

  and they you know if a friend told them that they read a review [TS]

  and Europe's four bucks that's fine you have a decent chance there but the average person browsing [TS]

  and this I know there are specialty app types that for which this is not true. [TS]

  That's fine but for general audience apps general purpose apps that are not being used. [TS]

  Some kind of specialty business role or anything like that. [TS]

  General audience that this is how people browse they look for what they want. They find one hopefully that's free. [TS]

  They download it and they stop looking. That's it. [TS]

  And so paid up front apps as they don't really stand a chance in this model. [TS]

  This is why overcast is not paid up front in tape or is paid up front the whole time. I saw the challenges. [TS]

  It worked for a long time. [TS]

  Then it's not working very well and it's hard for developers to accept this because paid up front is easy. [TS]

  It's really easy to just make an apple or everything's always enabled [TS]

  and you don't have to worry about trying to manage purchases or anything like that you just make a great app [TS]

  and you put a price tag on it and you're done and you don't have to deal with refunds [TS]

  or anything like that because Apple does that for you and you don't have to deal with limiting things and trials [TS]

  and demos and working with a number limitations and rules for that and all that stuff you just put it up there [TS]

  and you're done. It's a great story. It worked for a long time. It stopped working. It doesn't work now. [TS]

  Now you have a lot more work into it. You know now you have to actually figure out well what can I. [TS]

  How can I wage a free trial type thing into the system. [TS]

  What can I get paid for in this app if anything [TS]

  and then you have to implement that you have to say All right well you have to like like it overcast I mean these like [TS]

  little demo modes where you can demo the effects for five minutes and you know before you buy them that's all dish [TS]

  or no work I had to have an interface for buying things that have a screen explaining that what you get [TS]

  when you buy things you have to have all these different states just in the app you have to [TS]

  when I was eight years to deal with delayed purchases all this stuff this is just the reality of the market now you [TS]

  have to think this way you have to do more work. [TS]

  You probably if you want a general audience app you probably have to do free with that purchase to make any money [TS]

  and that's just the reality of it you know what Jared was doing with on Red was appealing to us appealing to people [TS]

  like you and me. But that's not the market. That's a very small part of the market. [TS]

  And he got that part of the market but it just wasn't enough. [TS]

  Do you think you would have had maybe the bravery is the best way to phrase it to release overcast had you not already [TS]

  proven your success in the App Store with Instapaper [TS]

  and I'm not saying like the other people do you think internally you would have had the bravery again for like a better [TS]

  word to jump into the App Store in today's App Store had you not already lived through two thousand a tap store I [TS]

  probably would have been stupid enough to do it and I mean I and I don't want discourage people from doing it. [TS]

  Just have reasonable expectations. [TS]

  You know and and the fact is like in two thousand [TS]

  and eight you could put anything up there I mean God forbid if you actually see screenshots of his behavior one point [TS]

  oh it's a disaster and I actually didn't have I didn't have a paid app on day one my first app was free [TS]

  and I made super pro about two months in that was the paid app so about two months [TS]

  and I started getting paid revenue and even even that version a look at the screenshots it's just a disaster. [TS]

  It's it's awful looking and I charge ten dollars for it and it sold well. [TS]

  It's crazy and the fact is Stanford is much lower back then there was a lot less in the store these days. [TS]

  Every category already has ten apps and it at least specially got some some categories have thousands. [TS]

  You are competing against a massive massive market now. [TS]

  It's not the same game anymore and you have to adapt to the new reality of it [TS]

  and you can't really depend you know Jared's right you know it's not it's not really ascribe blame to Apple on this [TS]

  because you know I wrote this post a couple weeks ago called apparat [TS]

  and this post was a failure of mine as a writer I had about three different ideas I wanted to express. [TS]

  They should have been three different posts. [TS]

  I was lazy one night I made one post I've been sitting on these ideas for months [TS]

  and I just couldn't get him out it didn't have the motivation [TS]

  and people misinterpret it to mean a lot of different things because I try to conflate these different things. [TS]

  Put into one post. Apple is not really at fault at all here for this for this part of the market failure. [TS]

  They have other things they could do to make the market better [TS]

  but this is not Apple's fault this is not because you don't have trials [TS]

  or any point that this is an overpaid upgrade you know this is simply the result of the market having a ton of people [TS]

  in it a ton of developers do this as talked about last week so you know it's there's not much Apple can do to fix this [TS]

  problem. [TS]

  There's something they need to fix other problems like like I mentioned getting rid of the top lists that won't fix [TS]

  this problem it will fix other problems or reduce them [TS]

  but this problem is here to stay because the market is just this big kind of the same way it was with like with just [TS]

  companies in general of the dot com thing right where you know it started out if you were an Internet company [TS]

  and you had a Web site you had a reasonable shot but then all the Web sites got better [TS]

  and very quickly one of all because the business model where you get as much venture capital as you can you try to get [TS]

  as many users as you can by giving away everything you can for free and then figure out how to monetize it later [TS]

  and the App Store. [TS]

  We're not really in the figure out how to monetize it later [TS]

  but we are in the part where like the goal is to get every single human being with an I.R.S. [TS]

  Device download this application [TS]

  and have within this application a way to get money from the already there like you know people don't have to use it [TS]

  whether it's like buying magic coins or paying for energy to play your game [TS]

  or one of the hell it is like the monetization thing is already in there [TS]

  and I respect it's better than a dot com where they're just like I will figure out later we didn't get as many people [TS]

  but that strategy of obs quickly of like growth over everything get as many use just possible that is the number one [TS]

  goal. [TS]

  I don't care how many people I don't care of our conversion rate is point oh one percent if we get just millions [TS]

  and millions of users still serious money and when that happened in the dot com world [TS]

  and continues to happen you know argue they were like What the hell was that one nine hundred billion dollars It was [TS]

  whatsapp or whatever. Oh yeah the messaging app. [TS]

  Still a viable strategy like no one is buying whatsapp if they want that pursued the strategy of just just you know get [TS]

  as many as possible become super valuable Instagram too for that matter to Graeme's now to be fair it's a really really [TS]

  good business model to freak out Facebook. [TS]

  Well that's possible because none of this entire industry in the entire Take industry just freaked out Facebook [TS]

  and you'll get billions. [TS]

  Well see the others like the old strategy before they were big companies like Facebook to buy you for too much money. [TS]

  I mean there are always companies survivor too much money [TS]

  but like not like it is today where there's a few vacuum everything [TS]

  but the Obama's will just get a bazillion users our growth curve will look like a hockey stick and will I.P.O. [TS]

  and Everyone who has a stake in the company will get rich off the I.P.O. [TS]

  In the company [TS]

  but on the tubes you know like in other was no one would buy us we never will figure out how to make money [TS]

  but everyone invest in the company made out like a bandit on the I.P.O. [TS]

  So with our cares and it eventually goes down and somebody buys the scraps [TS]

  or someone you know the new strategy is get as many users possible you know that freak out Facebook [TS]

  or become so big like this the next big thing get someone to buy you [TS]

  and that's how you get your big payday down from the idea over from the acquisition and then you know whatever. [TS]

  After that nobody cares right. Wells on the App Store. Same strategy. [TS]

  Get it get big really really fast but just like in business today even though that is still a viable strategy [TS]

  and happens a lot. [TS]

  The other strategies evolve along with it not every company that has you know not every sort of online focused company [TS]

  decides that its strategy is going to be getting many people as possible so it's possible I'm not sure where the [TS]

  breakdown is like are there more sort of you know technology based startups are trying to get as many users as possible [TS]

  c'est possible than they are trying to like sell a product. [TS]

  I mean obviously [TS]

  when you get into physical goods it gets different like Nest the strategy of the nest company was not to get users [TS]

  puzzles as ball I don't know how many thermostats and smoke detectors they sold [TS]

  but it was not like you know whatsapp type numbers but they made a quality product. [TS]

  A charge people for it and it was enough to get them acquired by somebody who wanted the talents they had [TS]

  and I you know that were government but they didn't pursue that strategy and it was still successful. [TS]

  So you mentioned for applications where all the specialty Apple doesn't apply to you if you want to go to the mass [TS]

  market. [TS]

  I think there is a spectrum where I think an application like a PO where it's it's not like a super specialty app like [TS]

  something for you know someone and very specific field to use tons of musicians musicians is a big market [TS]

  but it's not mass market. [TS]

  Not everyone is a musician Certainly not everyone is looking for an application to help them with their music creation [TS]

  process but it's much broader than you know yet. [TS]

  Last week dental office software [TS]

  but musicians are willing to pay for things that help them make music better like especially if your application in [TS]

  these types of cases replaces lots of other much more expensive equipment suddenly your ten dollar app seems like a [TS]

  bargain compared to the two hundred dollars for the equipment it's replacing. [TS]

  That is a very viable thing to do or even like a drying application not everyone needs an application like a car [TS]

  or something right. [TS]

  But the people who do are actually willing to pay money for it [TS]

  and is that mass market was not as mass market is as an instant messaging app or even a podcast I think [TS]

  but it's much more mass market than some very narrowly defined out they could maybe command hundred dollars [TS]

  or whatever so we're really going to feel like the breakdown. [TS]

  How many you're doing that crazy get as many people as possible [TS]

  and then fleece the whales for some percentage of revenue. [TS]

  To us it seems like that's big like it seems like Oh that's the entire story because all we see the downy the topless. [TS]

  It pisses us off because we think it's not like a sort of a a constructive an honorable way to make money [TS]

  and so to us it seems like that's bigger than it is [TS]

  but I wonder how it compares to that middle ground of people selling applications like you know that charge money [TS]

  upfront not the mass market but also not to like. [TS]

  Just a couple hundred people and that works out for them [TS]

  and I I think our impression of the market is correct that it's mostly those people you know doing tons of dust because [TS]

  you know the numbers don't lie. [TS]

  They are they do dominate the topless but there's to be three applications with an apparatus and everything [TS]

  but I hope that over time just like in the dotcom things I hope over time that that crazy frenzy getting many people's [TS]

  possible thing will sort of not run its course but simmer down a little bit [TS]

  and we will get a healthier kind of middle part of the market from people making applications [TS]

  and selling them to people who actually want to pay money for software because in the end that's what you know this is [TS]

  a business of people paying money for software right [TS]

  and we all continue to think that that is the thing that people are going to do because software provides value to be [TS]

  true so you know even even though the free applications like people are paying for software that is paying for you know [TS]

  virtual currency within software like they're paying they're not getting anything for like you [TS]

  and I getting physical goods they're putting money in where the getting out is an experience. [TS]

  So it's like buying a ticket to a movie buying a level for a game [TS]

  or paying money to be able to tap the screen sooner than you could previously tap the screen like they're paying money [TS]

  for essentially nothing. And even the big scary gross top end of the market shows that people are willing to do that. [TS]

  It should be [TS]

  and not outside the realm of possibility to get people to pay money for things that give them value in ways other than [TS]

  entertainment is just going to be a smaller market. [TS]

  I don't know if the equilibrium is but I think we're not what I'm saying is I think we're not there yet. [TS]

  I think we are now tilted still way over into the candy crush is of the world [TS]

  and there still needs to be a little bit more rocking back towards the middle. [TS]

  We're also sponsored this week by our friends at hover hover is the best way to buy a managed to main aims. [TS]

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  Also I'd like to add before anyone jumps on me that earlier today I notice that B.M.W. [TS]

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  For you and then they had a link to the actual registrar page which I thought was hysterical. [TS]

  So even when they're kind of sort of trolling there super nice people [TS]

  and their fans of ours too so you know they're good people who know how they're going to be if you like the show. [TS]

  Let's move on to Tivo. Apparently there's been an update. They're still business. Who knew. [TS]

  I've been waiting for this update for a while since I read about it [TS]

  but they do like the sort of staged roll out I think I don't know how they determine the stages [TS]

  but anyway I finally got it on my table. [TS]

  But then with Evo I've been complaining for many years that a user interface is not as responsive that should be [TS]

  especially after they went to high definition at first they didn't have their menu ing individuals in high definition [TS]

  even though the video was. [TS]

  Then they added a high definition menu NG interface written in Flash and it was super duper slow and terrible [TS]

  and it just made me sad [TS]

  and that was the case until my current Tivo which the Tivo Romeo which has a much more responsive use interface much [TS]

  more responsive than the previous ones. [TS]

  There's still some standard def and use in there which is shameful in this late stage [TS]

  but anyway least they made the main integrated use faster well so this update supposedly was going to make the older [TS]

  Tivo does have the same interface as the most recent models look the same and it was supposedly much much faster [TS]

  and I wish I could find was the show it actually spent a while looking for it. [TS]

  Couple days ago maybe someone in the chat room will know they stopped using Flash for their interface. So good on them. [TS]

  Whether that was why it was slow or just a side effect of something else. [TS]

  Bottom line is the flash interface on the old. [TS]

  He those terribly slow this new interface uses something to replace flash [TS]

  and I can't believe me remember what the hell the name of the technology is not something you've heard of like a weird [TS]

  name it's not swift always that's popping into my head because of language things maybe it started with an S. [TS]

  or Something [TS]

  but even the chat room knows what they're using instead of Flash because there was this big presentation from the Tivo [TS]

  people that said here is how we evaluated this new technology [TS]

  and here's how we sort of poured in our existing infrastructure over to it [TS]

  and figured out what the issues were in terms of you know C.P.U. [TS]

  Performance and memory usage and also the stuff was interesting presentation that I of course read [TS]

  and just completely lost track of [TS]

  and it's no where in any of my browser history there were no a search for a bottom line this update came I got it on my [TS]

  Tivo for mayor that I moved up stairs when I got the duty of a room you're downstairs. [TS]

  It does look like the new interface [TS]

  and it is way way faster it is not assessed it is as it is on the Romeos I feel like [TS]

  but it is much faster so if you have an old Tivo for mayor it is no longer embarrassingly disgustingly slow if you have [TS]

  the latest version of the software which is free updates every day so that's kind of good news like if you if you [TS]

  happen to buy one and didn't know how slow it was [TS]

  or if you were holding off buying a used one because they're all slowing gross they've actually made their harbor [TS]

  faster with software and I give a big comes up. [TS]

  Really quickly before we move on to topics because we haven't gone on long enough follow up this is still fun. [TS]

  Yeah sort of. [TS]

  How's the review John you can ask this every week if I touch [TS]

  or think this is me encouraging you to accomplish the review as quickly as possible. [TS]

  Yeah so this weekend my wife was nice enough to take the kids out to do various activities [TS]

  and I got a lot of stuff done which only serves to remind me how much more I have to do is like I feel all competition [TS]

  I like a road an entire section a half my grade only like nine more to go just do that nine more times [TS]

  when you look at the calendar and you think about the possibility of that when you know that. [TS]

  OK On that happy note Mark or do you want to quickly talk. About the overcast update that is pending is that correct. [TS]

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  I'm guessing somebody out there knows what that means but it's definitely not me but they have it [TS]

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  as we know is not a simple topic. They have videos to help you out with that. So go to Lynda dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]

  and You will get a free seven day trial was a great offer and if you like it then you have to learn again. [TS]

  Just twenty five bucks a month for unlimited access to all the videos in their entire library going to Lynda dot com [TS]

  slash A.T.P. To try to free for seven days. Once again L Y N D A dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]

  That's a tell us about this overcast update. [TS]

  I've been preparing the the one to update for a few weeks now it's been a little while and it's mostly bug fixes [TS]

  and minor improvements and then a few days ago I got a notice in the apps or rejection center. [TS]

  What if we call the resolution center. Yes really post rejection messages now. [TS]

  So I got a notice in the rejection Center saying upon reevaluation I hadn't even submit an update at this point they [TS]

  are just out of the blue said upon revaluation we've decided that you're in violation of this rule seventeen point two [TS]

  which means which is the rule that basically says you can't require an account based logons of personal information for [TS]

  things that basically shouldn't require a logon. [TS]

  So I responded first of all saying well there really aren't any features in my abs that don't need the account the [TS]

  entire app is account based and oh and they said you need to submit a bill that fixes this within two weeks [TS]

  or a police officer or Basically they said it nicer but that's that's that's the gist of it. [TS]

  I first responded you know with my thing saying well trying to trying to explain my way out of it. [TS]

  The reason why I didn't explain all this was the reason why I didn't have a cow an account free option at the beginning [TS]

  and I explain this a little bit before I think. [TS]

  But the main reason why is that you think the situation where suppose somebody has a an anonymous account kind of like [TS]

  on the back and so these anonymous accounts then they at some point they launch their i Pad [TS]

  or whatever they launch a device and I don't see happen different vice and they see a logon screen [TS]

  and they assume mistakenly that they've created an account. [TS]

  So they type in a username password they ignore the text in the box it says this account doesn't exist you want to [TS]

  create it [TS]

  and they just click yes because most people do then they are presented with this newly created account that is blank [TS]

  and then the e-mail me saying I can't believe you deleted all my stuff it's all gone. [TS]

  Oh my God you suck one star refund. Everything's horrible you through my life. [TS]

  I saw this happen so many hundreds to paper. This is how people actually behave. Trust me it's like this will happen. [TS]

  And because people you know. Don't read text on screens and they don't remember. [TS]

  Understandably because of so many things out there they don't remember what they made account for what they haven't. [TS]

  They often will do it two different email addresses not not much I can do about that. [TS]

  So I want to avoid this support issue of what do you do with you know with it with this kind of situation. [TS]

  It's not good if those people write in [TS]

  and I can I can explain to them Well you know you have this other account here if I can find it if I if I can figure [TS]

  out who it is which I probably can't with anonymous stuff [TS]

  but you know you could try with support of the problem is most people won't even e-mail [TS]

  and support those you'd assume that I'm a terrible person and an incompetent programmer I lost everything of theirs [TS]

  and they will just be angry and they were buying stuff again. [TS]

  They'll tell their friends how much it sucks or the poster of you are they going to refund from Apple. [TS]

  All of which sucks for me so I really did not want to go down that route. [TS]

  So that's why I said you know let me just required at the beginning it was just the e-mail account you know no use [TS]

  names that I even answer that part in the fact because I'm like no usernames necessary for this because you know I had [TS]

  it with a taper first where it was at first you could enter anything for either name email [TS]

  or not just any string of characters would work [TS]

  and I had the problem again of people would lock into device type in an email address [TS]

  when they'd use the username before vice versa and create a new account by mistake and think everything was gone. [TS]

  So all that stuff sucks I want to avoid it. [TS]

  So that's why I did it the way that was here and I mentioned earlier you know [TS]

  when I launched I believe are on the long show here [TS]

  when we talk with I believe I said something like half of all people who downloaded it were actually creating accounts. [TS]

  If I ever want to raise that rate I would have to add an option like this I was considering it [TS]

  but I want to avoid support issues. [TS]

  So anyway back to modern day Apple tells me a few days ago you have to do this within two weeks [TS]

  and I explain my way out of it. Maybe but Apple doesn't respond quickly to those things. [TS]

  I offered in the thing I said you know what if you want you can call me [TS]

  and we can talk about on the phone like two two days later and. [TS]

  There are two or three later they tell me we will schedule a call within three days and I have a two week deadline [TS]

  and I'm sitting on this bug fix updates that I really need to get out there because there's one [TS]

  or two fix some pretty important bugs and I'm thinking you know what this is too long. I can fight this now. [TS]

  I might not win if I don't win I'll be down a whole week at least. [TS]

  Probably longer so that I have to really rush out a fix. [TS]

  Furthermore if I do win this argument there's you know if I'm living on the edge of a rule I tell people this all the [TS]

  time. [TS]

  Don't rely on living on the edge of a rule in the after guidelines if I lose it [TS]

  or if I win this argument down convince them it's OK for me to not to require accounts now there is nothing [TS]

  guaranteeing them far from something here and here in T.N. [TS]

  I will always be exempt from this rule and so I could at some point in the future. [TS]

  Some really important I think is a really important bug [TS]

  and have to be held up in review because they're going to get there and get minute rule again. [TS]

  It's a it's a terrible situation to try to always assume I'll be able to get around this rule. [TS]

  So I decided even before I heard back from them [TS]

  and I still haven't heard back from them I decided you know what let me just I'll just do it you know I was I was on [TS]

  the fence about doing this at all to begin with. [TS]

  You know it was like I was always totally against it and so I just want to minimize the issues [TS]

  but like you know let me just do this I'll probably get more users and it'll be all right fine. [TS]

  So I did it and I submitted. I tested it for a few. [TS]

  I I did the whole thing of about four days in the Haitian to submission. [TS]

  I submitted it today at noon it was approved today at eight P.M. Wow this is remarkable. [TS]

  I assume that if you have one of these open issues and you're on your app which you know it's marked and i Tunes [TS]

  and everything I assume that any update you submit gets bum to the front of Hugh because it's to fix that you know it's [TS]

  funny you say that because front of the show Daniel was saying. [TS]

  Earlier today to somebody on Twitter I think about it and Brianna Rue from giant space cat [TS]

  but yeah that that corroborates his theory as well. [TS]

  And the funny thing was I was I was very upset when they [TS]

  when I first got this because I was like I was literally about to submit one or two then [TS]

  and I was like a day away from spinning I was just in final beta testing [TS]

  and I was so mad like now I'm going to be delayed. [TS]

  All these bugs think it's going to delayed you know because I have to do this and test this [TS]

  and everything turns out that was about a week ago. [TS]

  Review times recently have been about a week I think it was kind of a blessing in disguise that you know I had to do [TS]

  this yes and that it's a better product for it for the most part. There are going to be supportive shoes. [TS]

  I'm I'm going to be annoyed to deal with them. [TS]

  People are going to be upset but it is overall I think probably the game will see [TS]

  and it is nice that you know because that jumping the queue thing. [TS]

  This was released today which was probably going to be roughly [TS]

  when one of two would've been released if I submitted it at a normal time anyway so it's been a busy week it's been a [TS]

  little bit of a stressful evening because I I didn't have enough time to test this and compare what you usually do [TS]

  and I assume that I'd be able to test it during the app review process a little bit more [TS]

  and you know you could you have just a binary if it's if it's broken [TS]

  and you should make a habit of doing that all the time [TS]

  but it's nice to have that extra week of testing just in case I had eight hours of extra testing this time so. [TS]

  But yeah that's that's what's going on. Anyway that's about it. But what else is new. [TS]

  Someone in the chat room did find out what technology Tivo is using instead of flash it is called Ha which I'm going to [TS]

  say is your hacks are hicks friends however it is open to international threats like a cross-platform toolkit. [TS]

  Flash cross compiler. I think you can write. [TS]

  Code in their language their high level language [TS]

  and generate code for all sorts of other platforms as an open source thing anyway. [TS]

  Bottom line is it's way faster than flash. [TS]

  Way faster than Tivo slash implementation [TS]

  and there's an article also got in the show notes from Slash here talking about how distinct flash could mean that you [TS]

  could put the Tivo into various other devices like X.-Box and Fire T.V. [TS]

  and I don't see how that wouldn't of Impossibles over their gross license interface are also saying by the way that he [TS]

  was interface like they would probably kill to have. [TS]

  Like you I kid dropped upon them they didn't want to make you a user interface in this like sort of you know mature [TS]

  idea well established A.P.I. [TS]

  That [TS]

  when done correctly make extremely perform because like want to Tivo it it's a bunch of text lists like the video part [TS]

  of the video carpentering going through menus is just like big long scrolling lists of text with various options [TS]

  and you can do to each like to guide him and menus like it's not rocket science [TS]

  and you know I probably need a more powerful C.P.U. [TS]

  To to run you like it in there but anyway I don't think headaches [TS]

  or hacks is the end all of interface things I just I'm glad that my Tivo got faster. [TS]

  This is a remarkably positive from you want people to know John are you OK. [TS]

  I always well I want them I think this is part of the show I don't understand why that I mean I know I complain about [TS]

  them all the time but I continue to buy them and [TS]

  when I buy them I buy whatever the most expensive one is that they sell and I keep doing that year after year [TS]

  but I still think it's the best and so on and argument I don't know what is. [TS]

  Yeah I have complaints but I have complaints [TS]

  but everything they should sponsor the show the strong Syracuse endorsement I buy this even though I hate it. [TS]

  Well thanks what were three sponsors this week. Automatic Lynda dot com and hover and we will see you next week. [TS]

  Now that's a downturn. John thank you for giving birth to a sister that the Iraqi government thing. [TS]

  I got it well I actually looked it up in the dictionary just to make sure we're not all we're not it's. [TS]

  It's the same little upside down E. Is that being the word other of or other. Yeah. [TS]

  Honestly I want people to record an audio file [TS]

  and send it to me of how they think I should be saying it where people use by people you mean like the three people who [TS]

  are crazy about this. [TS]

  It's all like Australians [TS]

  or something because they have a tendency to pronounce things just completely wrong like Keisha instead of cash for [TS]

  example. [TS]

  So we're just we're confining ourselves to American English [TS]

  and we're going to go to like a debatable what is unaccented American English is there such a thing [TS]

  or is there not that's a good question. [TS]

  Well there's like there's like the newscaster accent right it's the kind of kind of Midwestern kind of an average you [TS]

  know [TS]

  but that's just defined by the newscasters who were famous in those roles for a long time like the Dan Rather have the [TS]

  accent because he was famous for a long time. [TS]

  We say oh that's that's the news or Walter Cronkite. [TS]

  or whatever like if you individual people from actual places in the country with X. [TS]

  So I kind of hiding under the newscaster in this anyway. Tougher. What else. [TS]

  I can't it's not even the chance of pointed out was this all follow up as it was [TS]

  but like I mean there it's fine to have that because like talking about overcast it's always is it always going to be [TS]

  fought because we've talked about overcast before therefore every time you talk about overcast again it is follow up [TS]

  you know we to follow up on last week's Apple news that this week's Apple means [TS]

  and the jury think liar thing it didn't emphasize that I think this was sent because I know a lot of people who like [TS]

  one or two emails or tweets that thought we were trying to say that Jared's post was blaming Apple [TS]

  and I listened back to the show but didn't actually say that but the the the word Jared and [TS]

  and the phrase someone to blame where [TS]

  and cause an approximate to how people could have made that mistake as I'm sure but it like it was [TS]

  and possibly all Rampal don't talk in complete sentences or maybe just me. [TS]

  Anyway lots of posts about this whole app store stuff and a lot of them are looking for someone or something to blame. [TS]

  And then there was Jared's poster not necessarily saying that Jared was trying to either because what he wrote in to [TS]

  clarify I'm glad he did because this explanation [TS]

  and this is the this is the magic writing technique that I try to use on myself and my children. [TS]

  You learn your children now that show you the trick at my job and so you write something [TS]

  and you think you've said what you want to say but then people who read it like misinterpreted or whatever [TS]

  and then you you know that the next task is explained to someone who is misunderstanding what you wrote explain what [TS]

  you actually meant. Right and when you do that then you say why and just read that in the first place. [TS]

  I mean obviously that's you know a little glib [TS]

  but this little introductory thing of saying here's why here's why I wrote this it was you know Brent said this lot of [TS]

  people look at me and I'm one of the people to know. [TS]

  Actually I'm not a good example of that because here is why I need that in the post it's in there. [TS]

  But like when you find yourself having to explain to somebody. [TS]

  Read what you wrote instilled an understanding and explain it again like more clearly. [TS]

  You know emphasizing the parts that they're getting wrong that makes for stronger writing so in the same way as I get [TS]

  having to explain something to somebody makes you understand it better. [TS]

  Doing is exercising doing it all before you actually publish anything useful like a you know one [TS]

  when someone's having trouble writing something whether it's my children [TS]

  or someone else's I don't write anything just explain to me what you want to say and a lot of people can do that. [TS]

  Likewise what I want to say is blah blah blah blah blah. [TS]

  If you just write down everything they say during that part put in front of them you say or type this I just. [TS]

  Me It's not a random note. [TS]

  Tell me that I shouldn't sell my privacy slash soul to get symmetric fire service so what are they asking you to do [TS]

  exactly. [TS]

  I'm not clear what you have to give up so I know you have a child on the way so that's what you have been spending so [TS]

  much damn time on Babies R Us dot com Now they know you have a child so they wanted your first born. [TS]

  Well that's all you know of it worth it. No I wouldn't buy a baby. [TS]

  One is not actually from if you know you never saw them [TS]

  or I don't I think the title match I remember the title that movie feels I think get it while they're doing that I [TS]

  thought it was that bird talking about this earlier I forget who it was [TS]

  but I'm looking at so there's a link that I put in the chat that's a public link where it doesn't really say anything [TS]

  about getting increased speed but behind my private page relate my account information. [TS]

  My rewards plus sharing online just got faster. [TS]

  Great news you're eligible for and upload speed to equal your current download speed at no additional cost to you. [TS]

  Simply click here and Roland are my rewards Plus program it's easy and free. Just. [TS]

  Our way of thanking you for being a well rising customer faster upward speeds means better sharing experiences. [TS]

  That's powerful. [TS]

  And I guess they like Snoop your stuff [TS]

  and you get seventy four I would have seventy five seventy five instead of seventy five thirty five. [TS]

  I'm trying to figure out what exactly this is. [TS]

  That's the thing is it's unclear to me what exactly they're doing particularly Snoop your stuff right. [TS]

  But is it is this is what they're going to start sending you a gift card crap promos [TS]

  and stuff like that I mean I think because I already get spam from horizon in the mail almost every day trying to grade [TS]

  me to a higher plan that includes T.V. [TS]

  and Stuff because I just have the Internet and phone [TS]

  and I called them like there's no way to opt out of this is no way to get them to stop bugging me. [TS]

  I would imagine they're probably already doing creepy things like selling my information to Starbucks [TS]

  and everything else like I think that's actually exactly what they're doing because it's talking about all these [TS]

  particular vendors like Target an Exxon Mobile and Amazon and Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks and Panera Bread [TS]

  and Visa prepaid card in law [TS]

  but so they're saying apparently this is a system where you gather points to do something [TS]

  and the way you can gather points is to like them on Facebook to go to their Web site to refer for [TS]

  and celebrate your birthday. [TS]

  Well I still remember they every year they track [TS]

  and that's a renter by on demand movie I mean so what is this you know you can usually I don't know the specifics of [TS]

  this deal but you can usually take whatever service they want [TS]

  and then use it in such a way that you don't have any interaction with them I'm really close to not having any [TS]

  interaction with Verizon at all because I don't have any of their boxes I don't use their router I don't have video on [TS]

  demand like all the services they want to sell me everything I don't see the only one they still got me on assisted the [TS]

  D N A S because of use Google the N.S.A. [TS]

  or Something you don't get a good Geo IP routing you know Google says you're supposed to in practice is shown me that [TS]

  if I use. Google's I.P.O. Opened Gouldian us are open to something like that. [TS]

  I get worse speeds from like downloading you know Apple software [TS]

  or I should be pulling it from aka my across the river and I'm not visiting some someplace else so I can't entirely [TS]

  and rising waters rising there with the N.S.A. [TS]

  Give them an inch like you type in the wrong you around you get some big stupid advertising parkade [TS]

  and Horizon Diaz's super slow and crappy I don't like it so [TS]

  but I'm really close to getting it so it seems like if you opt into this thing [TS]

  and you did a similar scenario where you got rid of everything didn't have any boxes didn't use the router didn't use [TS]

  their D.N.A. As the news or anything like that didn't have video on demand. [TS]

  I guess like what's left like like Marco sat there [TS]

  or he believe me they're already selling every ounce of your information to somebody like they're horrible company like [TS]

  everything about horizon of the company is just horrible. [TS]

  Well [TS]

  but everybody sells all your rights like any information you give them of course they're selling it to everybody it's [TS]

  like there's no more giving away of your information that they could be doing they're already doing as hard as they can [TS]

  so unless they can make you interact like oh if you take the survey to tell me what you thought of the detergent brand [TS]

  unless they have some way to get you like you'll be using your computer all the sudden you go to a site instead of [TS]

  going to the site you see the stupid survey that comes up they want you to rank the movies you've seen recently some [TS]

  crazy thing like that like that seems like the only way they can get you [TS]

  but I don't know I guess I would want to be the one to experiment with this [TS]

  and find out because downgrading Firman to getting rid of it is probably a super pain to my rewards plus points are [TS]

  easy to get the only hard part will be deciding which rewards you want. [TS]

  This includes options such as use the My Fire Brigade should trademark app connect to us through Facebook. [TS]

  Like us on Facebook. Order new equipment. Try Verizon's in home agent. [TS]

  Rent [TS]

  or buy a fire with trademark on demand movie oh my God these are some I cannot decide which of these things to start [TS]

  with these all sound so appealing. [TS]

  Also you know you don't have to do any of those like that's kind of like the free light free antivirus software I get [TS]

  as part of my thing a free on line backup like Joe I just never do those ever look. [TS]

  So if you never do any of those things you never liked on Facebook you never download their app never download their [TS]

  free antivirus software like they will email me [TS]

  and say hey I've noticed you've had the service for seven years that I've never downloaded a free online [TS]

  but I don't so I think it's good that you noticed that whatever life there are always going to spam you there really [TS]

  isn't used to be cards in the mail you go right into the recycle bin. [TS]

  But I don't think they can make you do anything unless I start getting interested like the D.N.I. [TS]

  Thing is literally interest like you mistype your own you're look at a bunch of writing crap that is intrusive which is [TS]

  why I wish to get rid of it but everything else you can just simply not to use. [TS]

  I suppose now I mean it seems to me like dirty snooping everything anyway I'm ready [TS]

  and spammed anyway why not just get seventy five seventy five [TS]

  but I need you guys are supposed to convince me not to do this you know it's most going to be do it well. [TS]

  When they announced these plans a few weeks ago they said they would be rolled out automatically for free. [TS]

  That's not true now that see if they're actually requiring this. Then that was B.S. [TS]

  and It wouldn't surprise me if that was B.S. Because there there are giant I.S.P. [TS]

  and They're a horrible company like all giant I.S.P. [TS]

  Is so surprising however that was if if this is indeed what's required to get this that is complete B.S. [TS]

  By the way the movie was a cry in the dark one hundred eighty eight starring Meryl Streep that isn't originally like a [TS]

  dingo ate my baby or something like this. People know it from Seinfeld but yes. [TS]

  So what I'm hearing is I should be getting taken do this. Now you know you move. [TS]

  Yes because that's totally an easy solution to this problem. [TS]

  Where in the post office sells your information to everyone else and you move even in their one direction anyway. [TS]

  Fun stuff and I never have enough going to want to titles the sprung part is pretty good. [TS]

  Some of the show is about to leave the whales the whale says more about the show is about than perhaps well I'm biased [TS]

  but I did like fleas whales that is freedom. They said that many times before. [TS]

  Just like it or like something or making up I think it's a funny concept to somehow combine flails and fleas. [TS]

  Like I never liked the term whales anyway [TS]

  but it's I don't know where it got started I first heard it didn't like casino. [TS]

  Yeah exactly and you know yet if a certain boiler room. [TS]

  It's definitely like you know it got it started in businesses that don't respect people for sure as anything a variety. [TS]

  It's definitely not a respectful term which is why Zynga uses it [TS]

  and all these stupid free to play games that try to abuse people's psychology to pay them more money. [TS]

  Yeah it's not it's not a great term. It's like eyeballs. [TS]

  Well it's not that it's disrespectful if anything is disrespectful to the people who aren't well because it's like none [TS]

  of our customers matter except for these five people [TS]

  and so the I mean please for casinos these five high rollers get everything right and everyone else. [TS]

  You don't matter because the bottom line is we know it was our money from these very high rollers not five people who [TS]

  were never like such a small and everyone else is just there kind of like to fill seats right. [TS]

  It's all about the whales. Well it's a kind of insult whales. [TS]

  Well I mean they're they're treated well they're considered important. [TS]

  Does I mean you wouldn't talk to them [TS]

  and tell them that they're whales because then they would feel like wait a second you know what this means is that my [TS]

  money is leaving my pocket and going into your pocket. [TS]

  I mean especially with gambling it's like you know maybe that's like they understand that like they know [TS]

  when they go to Las Vegas with two million dollars and come back with zero dollars. They had a good time. [TS]

  That's worth two million dollars them whatever I don't I don't understand what they're thinking. [TS]

  But anyway the single whales probably worse because I feel like playing these games [TS]

  or buying in our purchases there is no opportunity to win. [TS]

  Like even in a casino the House is going to win almost certainly [TS]

  but at least there's some slim possibility that you can get lucky once [TS]

  and you're never going to become a millionaire playing candy crush. So it's like a zero percent versus point. [TS]

  No one present the point oh one feels better. [TS]

  You get some excitement even if you know when you feel like during that period of time [TS]

  when I last there was a chance I could have won and that was exciting and I paid for that. I don't I don't gamble. [TS]

  I really guess I am so surprised by that statement of I did gamble I would do. [TS]

  You guys are watching left overs Never mind I can't. I would do with that style of give. [TS]

  There was a silly gambling sequence where someone goes to rely on the time read three times in a row [TS]

  and those type of odds I can figure out like pence on paper and fractions like a ferret. [TS]

  Well I can calculate these odds more in many ways. [TS]

  Did he say it will land on red three times in a row and then make that the day it was there were pigeons involved [TS]

  and premonitions and yeah it's a television show about a real [TS]

  but the whole point is like you know so he doubled his money and that you know the next time it comes around. [TS]

  If you put all your money back on for another fifty fifty shot you know [TS]

  and just do that several times you can you know the math through the magic of doubling if you keep winning [TS]

  but then the odds of it being anywhere but that's what I would do. [TS]

  So it means I would immediately lose most of the time. [TS]

  Or I mean they went and then you know had to sit there and do anything that's skill based or complicated [TS]

  or takes a long time. [TS]

  So your goal with this activity that most people do for entertainment value would be to get it over with quickly as [TS]

  possible and just leave. [TS]

  Well so the whole thing like people go to Vegas like I'm going to Vegas like five hundred dollars [TS]

  and like I don't care if I come on the zero five hundred dollars my entertainment budget which is the way the way you [TS]

  should do it if you're not addicted to gambling right you just go there you say there's a lot of money. [TS]

  I'm going to spend and I fully recognize that I can come home with zero [TS]

  but that's fine I'm willing to pay five hundred dollars for a fun weekend. [TS]

  But the excitement of the possibility of winning over never. [TS]

  But if you don't like actually playing the games if you don't like black. [TS]

  JAKRAPOB [TS]

  or poker any of these games like you don't enjoy the actual playing of the game you get the part over really fast for [TS]

  five hundred dollars on Black spin [TS]

  and then you enter your last if you won you leave if you lost you didn't if you're ducking like five minutes thinking [TS]

  this I don't know and he'd tell I never been to Vegas. [TS]

  Oh yes I love that you're out of my thing for looks and the fun as quickly as possible [TS]

  but it's not fun like a slave is no fun to be had if you don't like playing blackjack [TS]

  or you don't like sitting in a bar if you don't like playing poker if you don't like any of the things that's not the [TS]

  fun part the only fun part is the brief moment when you might win or when you might gain money [TS]

  or lose money you get it over with really quickly like well I won yeah I'm happy Well I lost no I didn't [TS]

  and you did have that brief moment of excitement and that was it. [TS]

  Want to just do it online save yourself a flight that's true although on line gambling is illegal in the US So you know [TS]

  to do one of those offshore things and it's really pain to get money out of those things. [TS]

  How do you know I was the same not to you would know I work for an online gaming company many years ago we didn't take [TS]

  us play because it's illegal. I was released in the US. [TS]

  Yeah well I mean the the actual servers were an Indian reservation in Canada as they have to be blah blah blah. [TS]

  They wanted to see land. [TS]

  But yeah now that we were we were crushed by competitors who took us play because they were based in the Bahamas [TS]

  and didn't have any US resident boys. [TS]

  Because people united states surprise want to gamble online and if you don't take their business someone else will [TS]

  and that someone else will get much bigger faster than you so you don't realize you worked in the gaming market as well [TS]

  because my first job out of college was Indian casinos in Oklahoma [TS]

  or Native American casinos whatever the you know the slot machine things right always being go [TS]

  but we had reels on the machine so you thought you were playing a slot machine but really you're playing bingo [TS]

  and plan on pragmatic right about how like it was either that or debug one of the other. [TS]

  Oh yeah yeah yeah he was dealing right sometimes. [TS]

  How do you have like this type of giving with a loudness to beginning wasn't allowed so you did something that was [TS]

  technically allowed even though it looked like a slot machine right current and you know it wasn't a skill game [TS]

  and so poker blackjack etc were considered skill games I don't know why a straight up slot machine wasn't allowed I [TS]

  think because it had to be multiplayer [TS]

  and so the bingo was strictly speaking multiplayer so all these all these stops machines had like some sort of T.C.P. [TS]

  Networking that we're going to I think a Windows server that would issue the bingo cards [TS]

  and poll the same numbers for everyone on the floor. It was weird there. [TS]

  So we don't with fleece Wales yet and we have to it's good enough. [TS]

  So it's going to anything here I try to squeeze in the thing in thirty seconds. [TS]

  Not really sure payment really drudgery to describe the tweet sequence Marca. So Patrick Thornton P.W. [TS]

  Thornton on Twitter said also you talk about how the way you quietly became the next gen system with by far the best [TS]

  games I replied saying could be the topic that we use the only next generation system. [TS]

  I've been tempted to try because of its games and it's true. [TS]

  Basically you know I mostly with everyone raving about how good Mario Kart is the only next gen system that I know that [TS]

  I'm tended to try. [TS]

  However I still haven't bought one because I keep reminding myself that I will probably never actually play it in [TS]

  practice because I'm not a very good gamer. [TS]

  Patrick's tweet is just an accurate description of the current situation [TS]

  and not a revelation about a reality that people don't realize. [TS]

  Yes that we does have some games that are reviewed well that people like but it doesn't change how many we use [TS]

  when the market does not change the cat the size of the game catalog does not change the pipeline of upcoming where you [TS]

  came to not change the fact that pretty much every anticipated or currently popular AAA title is A over. P.C. X. [TS]

  Plus one a Play Station four and not the way you are because you can't run them [TS]

  and it has a small install base like all these things. They'll continue to be true. [TS]

  As I was going to work cut out for it it's that that's why I thought this was like who the people are surprised to [TS]

  learn that the third place game console that nobody wants. Has some good games of course I mean it. [TS]

  People think people buy that stinks now it's like [TS]

  when the news comes out of the way you I fully expect that it will be highly satisfying to rabid Zelda fans like myself. [TS]

  I doesn't make the system more successful that doesn't make it all usually by well you know because at least three good [TS]

  really awesome games [TS]

  and people play it was nothing I really want to play in the Playstation four I don't have a Playstation four yet either [TS]

  because there's nothing I really want to play on it but I know that the games pipeline [TS]

  and the upcoming games are going for the Playstation four is crazily big and good [TS]

  and has exciting things in it including a game that I've been waiting for for seven years which may never be released. [TS]

  The way you game pipeline looks like a desert and it's sad and it makes me sad. [TS]

  So I do have a you I don't know Playstation four but over the long haul in this generation and last intended [TS]

  or something drastic to turn it around they're going to continue to not get the popular AAA games and every year [TS]

  or two they're going to come out with one or two gems because they're really good at making games [TS]

  but that's not going to be enough to make a difference [TS]

  and say Mike Yeah I mean I kind of felt like like the reason why the way you seem interesting to me is not because it's [TS]

  a great game system it's because I kept hearing about these games for it [TS]

  and you know if I wanted to academically by the best game system I'd probably buy the P S four. [TS]

  I don't think it would be much of a decision but I don't care much about games [TS]

  and so all the games that are not there are coming out that are big blockbusters that are not going to be available in [TS]

  the way you are very likely to games I'm not going to play anyway or not care about anyway. [TS]

  The problem is because I'm so. Nonchalant and not involved with gaming. [TS]

  I'm probably not even involved enough to only you and probably play Mario Kart for a few days [TS]

  and played Mario Super three D. [TS]

  Robot ever for another few days and I never thought never looked up again so that's why I'm not going to get it [TS]

  but if you don't hear anybody talking about the great games on the P S four or the X. Box one. [TS]

  Well you do if you read gaming sites because I mean parents like my destiny [TS]

  and they're that's the cross-platform game everywhere for the way you of course [TS]

  but that is a really highly anticipated sure to be almost certainly going to be popular game if you don't read about [TS]

  people being excited about that [TS]

  or because you're not writing game console gamer like early in any consuls life the launch games are usually crap [TS]

  and then it takes a while for things to get up to speed and then wanted to gems come in [TS]

  and this is actually a nice generation in that the indie game is very quickly like you got any reports of games they've [TS]

  already knew were good that you burble there are now they'll win the consul's because they all have online stores [TS]

  and a couple of the post-launch games haven't been that bad but like a console generation it's [TS]

  but they're in it for the long haul and the catalog [TS]

  and the upcoming game releases all the good all highly anticipated by people who like Playstation four [TS]

  and Sony just announced their sales numbers of some gaming [TS]

  but they held a press conference some gaming convention in Europe. [TS]

  They said they had their installed base is ten million now it's pretty good. The future is good right. [TS]

  It's been out for nine months ten million roughly a million a month that it's growing it's selling faster than the P S [TS]

  three did it just not that much of a field because the P S three was like six hundred bucks and had a slow start [TS]

  but you know they're doing well. And Tendo is not selling a million we use them. Now I want to try Mario Kart. [TS]

  We you whatever it's called the American Art bubble that is still better and they're in play that [TS]

  when you have never fully double dash and I've never. [TS]

  Or Sina we you in the wild outside of like a Target store in your house. [TS]

  Yeah yeah it is interesting I think that I think of both of you gun and tender land [TS]

  and played through all the things you would have game experiences that you had never had before [TS]

  but there are one thousand [TS]

  and ten don't land that's the thing that like has a bunch of mini games that show different mechanics for the [TS]

  controllers. [TS]

  It's a good demo of like here's all the things you can do with this crazy stupid tablet game pad thing that we gave you [TS]

  and you can do lots of interesting things things that you have not done and i O. S. [TS]

  Are on a mag or like they are interesting [TS]

  and some of them had to have sustainable value like my my son's friends come over they still play the Metroid blast [TS]

  mini game which I think does not have that much depth in it [TS]

  but they love it they love the you know the asymmetrical play where one person has to be to ship the other people [TS]

  or they get to be the people and they can you know that the ship sees a different perspective [TS]

  and they're all honest you know it it's not these are all flight games and you know there are many games [TS]

  but it's a good demonstration of all the different things you can do with it [TS]

  but if you're not interested in an academic sense of like oh your new gaming experiences like you know kind of like of [TS]

  the R.M. I like when you want to try that when she want to try the Oculus Rift just to see what it's like. [TS]

  Yeah I did get that out of the way you do [TS]

  but that's not something like OK well now that I've seen what's possible do I want to keep you guys just aren't gamers [TS]

  feel I do have one stuff goes through my sort of back catalogue of must play games that you can already play maybe I'll [TS]

  recommend a game and then you have to buy one because you'll need to play something out of it right now. [TS]

  I mean America looks great. [TS]

  It's extremely well done game I have some complaints about it I think that we're driving double dash was still better [TS]

  but you know if you play America you play America it's America. [TS]

  Last one I played was sixty four [TS]

  and they've gotten much difference in centers of business in the end we was pretty good. [TS]

  I mean basically the same though the driving has gotten feels very different than it is in the [TS]

  and sixty four version [TS]

  and the graphics are just like you know obviously phenomenally better because I was a million years ago. [TS]

  If you saw it you'd be in. [TS]

  But in the end you're driving around on carts getting little presents shooting shells at people [TS]

  and do all sorts of business and are interesting in what at the bottom. [TS]

  How can how much can it possibly change to go around courses in the person who gets there first wins. [TS]

  How much result possibly change a lot more I know I'm messing with you [TS]

  but still I mean it's a pretty similar concept every time is a not so veiled is a is a more broad concept because like [TS]

  it's raising is just you know you go around a circuit in the furthest I first went [TS]

  and know that you're playing through a narrative more or less [TS]

  and the narratives like they all have a similar structure. Just you know a bad guy a good guy. Battle against evil. [TS]

  But there's different characters involved different events take place in a need to delve that they try to come up with [TS]

  some new gameplay mechanic that you know uses the controller whether it's swing in the little wee moat around to use [TS]

  your sword or riding on a horse or travelling by boat you know and different different combat systems [TS]

  and so in the overall yeah you're playing through some story of the some fight against evil in the end you win [TS]

  but in that range is much more than you can do you know make sense playing one playing one awake [TS]

  or complain compared to playing time Princess. [TS]

  Even though you could graph them all out [TS]

  and so they all the same thing they have done did you get a weapon uses a weapon to defeat the boss at the end of the [TS]

  dungeon you get more power like they all do exactly the same things. [TS]

  The experience of playing the suit games feels very different they look entirely different they feel different. [TS]

  Whereas American art it's like and every game Igor [TS]

  and of course various Marlice looks the same it's not like in one you know they can add motorcycles [TS]

  and other type of things [TS]

  but it's like wheeled vehicles you know they can make a high wipeout it would still be America like you're still [TS]

  thought raising it was much more freedom [TS]

  and then this upcoming Zelda game supposedly is going to finally throw away a lot of the conventions they've been [TS]

  leaning on soldering of time to actually change the gameplay so that if you did a graphic on a white board it would [TS]

  look different like. [TS]

  Not a linear progression of dungeons [TS]

  and it's not done in weapon you can go to anything anytime you are presumably the old version of. So that way you can. [TS]

  If you discover it you can go do it even if you're not ready for the needle to get killed anywhere we not run terribly [TS]

  sure but the result is going to be like but they have said they're going to break some conventions. [TS]

  Roughly one is that oh I don't know like twenty fifteen twenty sixteen somewhere they could just make it require like a [TS]

  sixty dollar an on controller to help their financial problem [TS]

  but yeah I mean let's talk about you know what if you just felt a small number of people who are willing to play money. [TS]

  Yeah I wonder about like when he couldn't make a pitch to someone who's only aim for three hundred dollars. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I don't buy it. [TS]

  Right there are a lot of the fans [TS]

  but I think that the whatever the economic term is for the the market for Zelda games is not it is not that alas there [TS]

  are not that inelastic but I've never taken a mouse course I don't know which one of those things is the correct term. [TS]