00:00:00 ◼ ► I stop downloading something about yes you know my daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► but not only my downloading not only what I am writing songs of innocence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► but I'm also I jam writing the Jenny I was getting out as well I mean maybe don't do that gig. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► I already hear I remember you not here that wrote the songs that I can hear and mine was down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► or any of my mega seconds on my my car I don't get any louder throw me how just my by voting with the people this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/22">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► going to be a really depressing episode because not only do we have to talk about some of the news from today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/30">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► but we have to talk about a silly monitor is it silly. It's only silly it is that Mundra long promised this is so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/36">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► So every time we've talked about desktop retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and every time I've written about us our printer my site the topic always comes up of sometime in the distant future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/50">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► What we actually want is two times the current twenty seven inch resolution which would be fifty one twenty by twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/57">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► eight eighty. Remember what I call that unlike two times thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/65">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► but yes if the quad twenty seven inch that's going to talking about who we're going to get a metro you gotta lie that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/69">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► really want to wait for the quad twenty seven inch monitor I'm still waiting at this from Dell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► Well so anyway so we were saying that this much like I was under the assumption because there are multiple problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► Number one is that's just so many pixels at such a density that like like Dell was just able to ship four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/86">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Ones that a reasonable price at twenty four inches which is roughly the same density at twenty four inches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► They were able to ship those like last year or the beginning of this year so that was very very new and that's four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/100">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► Resolution now this is like I think of like seventy percent more pixel It's a massive jump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► It's the same exactly the same for the same reason the same type of jump as it was to go from twenty four inch monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► thirty eight hours it's like it's a. Big jump in just number of pixels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/117">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► The second problem is that pushing that many pixels uses more bandwidth at sixty hertz than thunderbolt two can supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/122">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and so the only way to do it is to split it using M S T which is its own kind of massive half supported by Guinness to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/131">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► split between two different honorable buses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► and monopolize most of the band with the both of them that you need you need twenty eight gigabits I think Max is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/142">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► twenty right. You need twenty eight C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► Like baseless put it into to have left half right half make the computer make a video card think it's two monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► and then in the OAS fix it to see it as one monitor. Basically that's that's the gist anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/157">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► So you need a heck of a lot of bandwidth to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► and special hardware support special software support so we were all assuming this would not come out for a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/169">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► time. My estimate was two to three more years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► Turns out Dell is Dell is announced they're shipping one this winter possibly December ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/178">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► and it's only quote only twenty five hundred dollars and actually four for what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/183">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and for the jump that represents that I believe a fair price. There are some caveats to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► One of the biggest is we don't know yet whether it runs sixty hertz. That's that's a problem like some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/195">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► There have been some four K. Monitors that around thirty Hertz and it's bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► It's like people who use it say it's it's really rough. You do notice the difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► It doesn't look right doesn't feel right. You know cause I strain sometimes or whatever. Not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► So you really need to be sixty hertz anyway so we don't know that and we don't know like currently for for mac people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/215">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► Nothing in the entire mac lineup has to do with honorable buses except the new MacPro So if this even if this comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/224">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► assuming it uses two different cables to plug into two different interval buses to achieve that high bandwidth the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/231">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► computer that even might be compatible with is the current math. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/236">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► A pro and we don't even know if the macro will have the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► and software tweaks needed street right so it's a pretty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► There's a huge list of it's here on and on top of all that we don't know this monitor is going to suck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/247">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► We don't like it could as John you know it could be like Dell's monitors have spotty quality some of them are good some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/253">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► of them are crappy the previous ones that use M S T The twenty four inch one twenty four inch four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/259">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► One there were some bugs with the M.S.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/265">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► Moment ation supposed been fixed but there were some pretty big bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► when it launched so it's kind of iffy as to whether this is going to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► To me what I think gives me promise here is that if Dell can ship one of these this winter for twenty five hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/277">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► bucks that means Apple could too if they wanted to. Maybe not for that price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Maybe they put it in IMAX first I think they probably would honestly you know I think I think what we're very likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► see this fall is a rat and I'm back with this resolution that is positioned above the current generation of IMAX like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/294">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► So it wouldn't replace them it would be a new higher marks it would have to be much more expensive possibly starting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/301">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► three thousand would be my guess. So maybe we'll see that maybe they'll just do four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► and Do scaling the way they've been doing on the other devices I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► But this would be amazing if if if Apple released this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/313">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► or if if if Dell's is actually really good in a way that works on any other mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/319">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► or you know any of this would be truly amazing and this this is the true desktop right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/325">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► They monitor like the I think the only other true retina monitor out there right now is the Dell twenty four inch four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/331">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► K. Because that's the one that gives you like it gives you exact two X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/339">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Resolution of a standard size at a standard density like all the other four K. Monitors the four K. Like four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/344">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► Resolution is twice ten and so a monitor that is roughly ten N.E.P. Which twenty four inch monitor classes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/351">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Usually our twenty four inch monitor like old old twenty four inch L.C.D. Is. That is like the right size for four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/360">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► To be retina anything bigger than that and either everything on the screen is too large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/368">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► or you you know you have to like not render it exactly two X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/372">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► or any monitor with identical specs of this monitor is the only way to get true retina at twenty seven inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► or thirty inches. So that's why this is a big deal and we weren't expecting this for quite some time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► I don't think they're going to put anything like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► and I'm Act this year because I think it's still too far like I don't think they want that I don't think it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► for the IMAX stretch that far up market Benchley sure are you know are we going to cheap or but I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/395">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► when they do read on the IMAX it will not be at this resolution it will be something smaller because just just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/403">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► make sense I mean with the way Apple's been treating the I'm a climate where do you think Marco if there is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/408">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► hypothetical IMAX that has this hypothetical retina display would you give up your beloved trash can for this I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/415">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► give it a couple of months to see if they released a standalone thunderbolt display version of it or you know a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/423">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► or two years or however long I think it was the gap between the twenty seven inch maybe it wasn't that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/429">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► but a very thick it was about a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► and various times in the past it has seemed like an awful long time between the release of an Apple device with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► display and the standalone display. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► It's like it's like they have a class who will talk about do they care about individual displays in the more they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/443">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► that I mean they release the new MacPro and they really didn't care about monitors like here buy this thing for sharp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/449">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► Yeah exactly I mean and maybe the reason why is because they their monitor wasn't ready yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/455">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► You know it may be they are planning a big update to thunderbolt displays but it wasn't ready yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and it wouldn't be ready for six months they like art Well here take this. But so I think this fall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/465">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► Obviously they're busy with things that will get to but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/471">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► but I think you know the mac lineup has not seen a lot of updates because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Everyone's waiting on Broad Well I think it would be nice to do something like this you know not not say that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/480">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► but I don't I think this falls in to be awfully quiet for the mac lineup unless they do something like four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/488">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► IMAX which they would call retina but will be nice if they if they actually update the mac pros with the new T.V. Use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/494">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► Right so that's going to be like for us to test how much they really care about the micro because there's a reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/502">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► have to upgrade of the new C.P.U. when They're available but they could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► So this will be a good way to gauge their interest in this product line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► Like to they bother me updating they just say you know what we're going to skip this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/514">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► The current net present fine people are buying them away till next year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/518">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Do you want to talk about a funny tweet that you saw John where we talked a lot about sexism and the games industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/522">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► and stuff on the way in the after show last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► and I saw a couple of interesting things go by in the week since this film was a tweet that struck me as funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/532">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► It is from someone whose name I'm not going to attempt to pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/539">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► but his Twitter handle is why are you there I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► And he has tweeted a picture and people love to just take a screenshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► and tweet a picture which doesn't really make that much sense to me because as if a screen shot is proof of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/551">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► and I'm always amazed that people who look at screenshots like but they'll ask for screenshots as proof. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► You would think like kids today would be savvy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► and know that screen shots prove nothing like you can can right click on any web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/566">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► or make any screenshot you want kids anyway that's not the point of this is not a perfect picture of someone's tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/571">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► who has an egg icon and blacked out the identifying information because not trying to like make fun of this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► or get this person arrested or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/583">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and the text of this tweet says My biggest problem of the media meaning any of us are teasing of the feminist frequency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/586">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► videos is that if I use her logic I could see sexism everywhere and the commentary added by this tweeter is teetering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/592">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Now on the brink of an epiphany not only because it's going back to like seeing the Matrix type thing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/600">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► reaction is natural for a lot of people being exposed to the stuff you know like cases like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/608">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► So he's used up everywhere like you know like a conspiracy theorist like see the you know the the government's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► to hunt him down everywhere or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► and this person is you know offering that after the same kind of absurd notion as I have if I saw things the way this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/620">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► person that I would see sexism everywhere and I would think that would be crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► They're not going there yeah anyway I thought I was lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► and the other thing really to the stop of years ago people suggested the Twitter account everyday sexism to follow if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► you just sort of want like sort of ambient exposure to this viewpoint without feeling like you have to engage with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► without feeling like you're being yelled at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► or whatever I don't follow the counsel I don't know what the tone is like look at some of the tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► and it's like aggregating people things that happen to people during the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► or things they think are sexist they will you know funnel into this account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► and you can just edit your Twitter stream and and just let it go by I don't feel like you have to argue with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► I don't feel like you have to agree with all of it just that's another way to sort of expose yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/665">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► I know I don't follow the house so I can vouch for but other people do and they find it helpful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/671">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► And can I just kind of jump on the feedback regarding the last episode just to thank pretty much all of our listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/677">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► all the feedback that I've heard almost exclusively there's of course a couple of bad apples here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/685">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► but almost exclusively all the feedback has been really positive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► And I've seen a lot of people talking about following the hosts of nice isometric show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/694">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► and given the subject matter that could have taken a turn for the worst in terms of listener response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/701">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► and I am extremely glad and proud that so many people seem pleased with how it was handled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/708">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► and also seemed to be enlightened seems a bit dramatic but I can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Better word so enlightened by the conversation and so many thanks to all our listeners for for sticking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► when out it was much much less noisy and contentious false feedback and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/726">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► when we discuss like Android phones you want to sort of take care of our audience topics that we can discuss without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/736">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► without much angry male sectors and topics that we can't discuss without a lot of angry mail. Android So there you go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/743">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► Not saying that's good or bad that's just that the audience we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► and you know I was pleasantly surprised as well I thought you know our listeners you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► when you touch on top of that even though it technically is tech related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► and it's all part of this community wherever you never know if you're just going to suddenly draw gigantic red line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/761">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and half of them are going to send you angry e-mails that did not happen just because they don't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/767">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► Doesn't mean they're going to greet us just be like yeah whatever we do You are right if you talk about tech stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► All right how about the mega Tivo that looks like a phonology But isn't everybody was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/778">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► and this Lego people fine made a thing for John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► and I think that people said they don't understand why Tivo needs to learn have not capture the nuances of it so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/786">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► is a product called the Tivo mega. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► It's a rack mount as Looks like Marco for for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and I think I think the minimum right to if you put through the happy travelers I think the small ticket is for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► right now and it's around five thousand dollars to violent price that it's got twenty four terabytes of storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and you know like that it's rack mount. So obviously this is not something that you stick on to your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/809">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► And hey look it's got all the storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/815">TS</a>]
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00:26:25 ◼ ► and then in charge of even more things at the parent company of Macworld the pretty much everybody almost everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► that I knew and almost the entire staff of backroad magazine got laid off which sucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► I have been through many jobs and many similar situations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► My usual sort of way I handle this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1603">TS</a>]
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00:26:50 ◼ ► and I get out before I actually get laid off. But that is not you would think that's a better way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► It's not really like doing it's exactly the same thing because basically you're in a situation where you realize your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► job isn't is going away and if you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► when it's going to be could be tomorrow could be next week could be next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► but you have to do the whole thing with like I don't want any job I enjoy my job I like the people I work with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► But now I need to get a new job and it's it's a terrible feeling no matter how it happens and it's probably even worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► Although this has never happened to me to just come into work one day and say guess what you know job anymore sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► And that's got a really sucked for the people who are just totally blindsided. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► I wish the company the parent company runs macro could have figured out how to make a successful business from this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► It's difficult to make that transition from you know the old world where they were dominant paper amazing to newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► paper magazines are not as important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► A bit like they had all the pieces they had all the talent they had all the people it wasn't a bunch of old fogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► there like it was they had a complete age range of people who knew what they were doing who are savvy with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1671">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► People steering the ship just couldn't figure out how to make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► and someone who really really today like layoffs are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► when someone who makes a lot more money than you is bad their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► and you suffer for it right because it's not it's not these people's job to make the company you know figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► the company's going to make money like big picture wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and they don't have control that their job is to like do the best writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► and reporting they can do the best reviews they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► or whatever their individual jobs are they could be doing their jobs amazingly well and I think they were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► It doesn't matter because they don't get make the decisions about what the company does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1707">TS</a>]
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00:28:43 ◼ ► So there is you know just talk about the you know paper or print magazines being sort of a thing of the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► and having to make that transition there are some aspects of that world that are I think still valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► So if you run a Web site like ours technic or you know MacRumors I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► or anything like that these things came up in the time where part of the excitement of that is you type whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► want to do but no went out and millions of people can read it and it was much less formal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► and much much more sort of personal and and exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► and raw right as opposed to like a print magazine process where you write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► and they go through editing copy editing and it gets moved over to comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► and I think more professional because I make it sound like the Web sites aren't professional they are just a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► Right and the people who work or work for Macworld are the people who know how to work in that environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► and like for example if there was some writer working for Macworld and wrote something crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► and just started filling with expletives and yelling about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► and just being terrible that wouldn't get out in MacWorld Macworld and I said like a family magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► but like that's not that wasn't done in the print world you didn't just have someone just go off and I crazy answers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Then she added rant and you wouldn't publish that because paper pages are precious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and you wouldn't do that type of thing and the new world is not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and I'm not saying one is better than the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► but suddenly the people who are used to writing in that environment are now different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► Now they are the oddball now they are the interesting unique thing because there are tons of them say that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► blessed with sort of a less formal process and more sort of raw exposed writing these people know how to write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► I sort of like it maybe you could say that I want to write a boring sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► or I just think you know I'm going to say it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► but it's not really very much the professionals that were there own thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► but it's not it's not really the right word but like you read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► and you feel like these are adults writing for adults in a mature manner that is considered and and well written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► And that's something that I think needs to be part of the current sort of stew of tech kernel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► Some publications skew one way or the other like not everything is like you know Buzz Feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and at the other end of the spectrum I don't know what you would put on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1862">TS</a>]
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00:31:17 ◼ ► I tried the I watch and it was consequently I watch a drug deal was really cool and shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► and like there's a place that I'm not saying that's bad like people like to read that is exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► but they don't feel like we have much more of that now than we have macro in that world sort of not entirely going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► where the print magazine is going over the web that's going to be all those people who are writing all those words. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1893">TS</a>]
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00:31:48 ◼ ► to use because I think that type of voice needs to be part of the tech journalism ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► Then the other interesting thing about Macworld to be completely self. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► As for second was that they actually published something I was a part of which was extraordinarily exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1920">TS</a>]
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00:32:29 ◼ ► and exciting venture. So so much Aaron suggested formal instead of professional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► That's a better word because I don't want to say professional because it makes it sound like the websites are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► professional they totally are like formal it formal or family friendly. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► Considered like I mean I think it's a hybrid because this macro grew like the shame that came right after the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► Watch event and everything like they would descend on an event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► and they would file tons of stories well written corrects you know fact check to researched just like in amazing speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► especially like I was always amazed by how fast everyone can write well they're like everyone on their staff can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► bang out story of a story they were all good stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► and they were all well written for someone like me who really struggles to get any words out that I that I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/1990">TS</a>]
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00:33:21 ◼ ► and I got an image to like Magic's like watching magic happen because their professionals like like you know you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► but you rare You very rarely write what you write is one big thing a year whereas they do this every day like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► this is their job their job is to to write in that way to that quality to that standard like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2013">TS</a>]
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00:33:51 ◼ ► or the very least it is now a rarity what was once like the only way you could write about technology you know every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► magazine was like that is now over. They are the end becoming more rare. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► So what I'm saying is I just hope that that stays in the mix somewhere you know I was I want someplace where I can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► stuff like that like this I'd Macworld with my rotation of things that I would read I have tabs open with macro stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► right now like for you know things from a tenor view because they've done the whole bunch of previews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► and I want to make sure don't miss anything they covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► or want to give their point of view on things like this like it's just I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► when it's not there you know it's going to disappointing. Yeah they also like they're leaving behind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► This is very much like a real world impact in this technology world like like Macworld magazine is the only magazine of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► ever written for that I didn't own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2074">TS</a>]
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00:34:43 ◼ ► write something I wrote one thing for one issue of Macworld and that was a huge honor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2083">TS</a>]
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00:35:11 ◼ ► and it can't come in the big box weighs a ton. It's great it was nice like physical artifact. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2111">TS</a>]
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00:35:48 ◼ ► Paper magazines for the King they had huge staff time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2148">TS</a>]
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00:36:39 ◼ ► Well and I mean no matter how you do it it's a it's a hard business I mean you know I ran a magazine briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► and then even even that even running a small i Pad a magazine that had no full time staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► and then eventually one full time staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► and then you know had no print edition had no photographers No half of an editor first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2214">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► and a full editor like I had I was doing it on such a tiny scale and it was really hard to make that work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2220">TS</a>]
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00:37:18 ◼ ► I know this and even as you know running my own web site and seeing other people run their websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and I know the economics of this are challenging and it's very easy to be a hobbyist or part timer in this field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► It is very hard to have a big company you can afford to hire other people full time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► and do things properly do things well to do the professional journalist standards it is extremely hard to fund that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2259">TS</a>]
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00:39:07 ◼ ► From what I gather this is like what replaced by Focal is in modern lenses of the do I have that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► Well anyway if if you wear progressive lenses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► or if you need progressive lenses they now have that worry parkrun afferent for a great price compared to what you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► Pris of lenses have a distance prescription at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► and then transition to a reading lens near the bottom that's that's how they work so it is I think it is like old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► bifocals right. Look a lot better and work a lot better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► Anyway worry Parkers progressives are digital freeform lens lenses which this is the most advanced progressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► This is higher perception and a larger field of vision than traditional progressive lenses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► Not buying glasses online sounds like it would be risky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► Like how would you know whether they'll fit or whether they'll good on you worry Parker has you covered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► First their website has a helpful tool that uses your computer's webcam to give you a preview of how the West will look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► on your face you can even help you measure your eyes and face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► At the fit exactly right and I actually know my wife did this exact same thing on their site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► and it was really nice I was I was very very impressed by how good their online tools were now once you get past that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► though they have this great thing called the home try on program so you can borrow up to five pairs of glasses risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► free they will ship them to you for free you can try them on in the comfort of your own home for five days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► and then you send them back with a prepaid return label. There's no obligation to buy and all of it is completely free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► They also offer prescription and non-prescription polar ice unless it what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and I'm looking at them because I have I have definitely lost the biological lottery in a few areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► but fortunately I have very good eyes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► So I at least have that going for me so I don't need prescriptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► but I'm looking at them for sunglasses because it is so hard to find good sunglasses for reasonable prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► and they have a great selection a few prescriptions Unless of course they got you covered there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► and they are polarized which I know this might be controversial in a talk show but I love Polaroid sunglasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► and I don't have any problems with various L.C.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► Screens looking weird at the angle that I look at them with polarized glasses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► What we Parker also believes in giving back to the world for every pair of glasses they sell they also give another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► pair to someone in need to various vision charities. So when you go to war be Parker dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2472">TS</a>]
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00:41:25 ◼ ► kits for free trying to tramp to five pairs of glasses for five days right near a home you can see how they look you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► can ask your significant other. You can even wear them outside if you want to and ask other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► Anyway thanks a lot. Parker dot com slash A.T.P. and Some bad news for you about your perfect vision Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► I look I don't expect it to last. All right write about when your son is entering high school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► You know be able to take advantage of those prescription lenses anyway so there's an Apple event that we almost saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► that we almost saw and then we saw it in multiple languages all at once. Can we just start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Saying that all start by saying that I'm so disappointed that this story that some of this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► and someone wrote about what they think caused Apple streaming problems is just pester on everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► and I'm sided like no not you too if you saw a story today trying to explain what Apple streaming is woes were chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► are you saw the story could link I don't have the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► I believe it's like streaming media blog that comes through something blog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► Yes it did not appear to have any kind information and just didn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► and everyone who knows anything about Web site their web technology all said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and yet it still ran on every single site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► So I find it is what it was talking about like the interactive blog stuff in the Jays on things like there were no bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► of truth in there but none like there was no inside information and the speculation didn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► and everyone ran it like he was an explanation of why Apple streaming sucked it did not explain it very well at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► It did not seem to have conclusive inside information and yet it got started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► Anyway I think I didn't think that was a good article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► We don't know why they screwed up Apple's done streaming many times in the past and not screwed up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► This week was not one of those times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► They screwed up although I will say you know since I don't trust their streams will ever be good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► I had a multi redundant solution going here with Apple T.V. Apple T.V. A V.P.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► Connection and then my actual home I asked P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► You know regularly and among those three or three of those I always had a stream that was working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► Now granted the stream who's working very often had Chinese over the top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► and then after the change was going to have Japanese but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► when we got to the good part everything was solid they had serious problems with their A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► Stuff but I was happy that all those technical difficulties happen in like the first half an hour forty minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► when they got to the big announcement Everything was I think we're I mean let's talk about what they announced because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► Three sort of the very beginning with the intro video I give a thumbs down to the injured VIDEO I'M SO PROUD. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► So my have I watched I sort of watched the stream when it happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and then last night in preparation for today I watched it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and it actually worked this time a lot of what happened during the presentation made me just kind of cringe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► and do the thing in like the beginning in trivia when they first did it I don't know I could tell you to read D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► or Two ago I was like oh yeah that's pretty awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► But I'm fat I feel like doing this every time is getting a little self-indulgent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► and I feel like a lot of the things they did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► If this was Samsung that did the exact same thing the internet would have lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► and you know you need to watch the Samsung thing to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► I'm really enjoying watching the fans of the Galaxy S four was that you know now you know I dare you to avoid it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► and you'll feel better about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► but anyway I didn't like this in two think it's because the specific in her video the interview with the dots that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► showed seven times I thought that was fantastic it was short it was to the point that the first three times it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► great. There's a point it's clever it makes its point in both words and in know in midges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► This one was a really long was showing us a trick that we've all seen from that OK Go video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► and audio is apparently I'll post about that by the way if you haven't seen the video we're talking about it's at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► Those things where you look at you look at a room from a certain angle and all the little markings on the floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and wall lined up to make it look like text that's you know sort of floating in front of you the whole bunch of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► real world physical optical illusions that they bring the camera through anyway like it just dragged on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► and the things that was saying in the little words were just it wasn't it wasn't as tight it was you know it just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► know Anyway I think having interview you'll find especially in an event like this it's so important that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► Apple Watch being introduced and I think having in Germany was appropriate This isn't a great one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2752">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► I think it was just boring like you know we have to realize that what we're watching here this is a marketing event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► and we're watching a two hour long commercial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► And when you have great amazing products being announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and you have great personalities announcing them it's easy to forget that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and see it as like this great exciting event and actually really get into it and get into like the fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► But when you get too far into like the pre produced videos and marketing messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► and everything the illusions are to fall apart a little bit and that's why I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► when it like moments like that I thought or when that when there are two video heavy in general in the keynote or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► when they're like here we're going to show you three commercials we've made like I don't like the movie showing off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► commercials and that's you know like it's like it helps contribute to breaking that illusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► and to reminding us that we're watching a two hour long commercial rather than the way we probably like to think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► as an exciting announcement for our industry in the future of our society using these devices like that's how that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► But whenever they go off on too much like commercial video basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► and marketing messages I think this I think it breaks out a little bit I think it really depends on the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► Sometimes the show is a commercial and especially one of Steve Jobs. It's thirty thirty seconds they're usually funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► It's not a big deal it's over quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► and he was always so excited to show you whatever commercial he was excited about the videos where it's some talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► head on a white background telling you about what they had to do to design the whatever part of the whatever those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► companies sometimes be interesting and cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► And they spend a lot of time on I think carb writing one in two keynote is a reasonable thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► The is the sort of touchy feely ones where it's really easy to go off the rails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► and I think the touchy feely intro is a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► I don't know I like it seemed it seemed just too too fuzzy and didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Not seeing him as precise as a little dots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► and lines video it seemed just like a bunch of weird platitudes that did not did not connect in a way the other video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► did with either things we already believe about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► or things that we were going to believe after seeing the thing it just ended up you know I don't think they'll ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► Unlike the dots on which there was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► and not in trivia was nowhere near as bad as the infomercial that was in the center of the presentation board get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► that later. Which one the watch one. Here's how you pay with a credit card in OH MY GOD IT'S SO HARD. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► That was actually funny at least all now it was not I think it was unintentionally funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► but less along all right so let's talk about the i Phones which was the first thing they announced the i Phone six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► miners impression six and six plus excuse me my national presence it's bigger me remind me of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► when I eventually get a bigger phone and I tell you it's the best thing ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► I really am not digging the lens protruding on the back of the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► and I'm surprise that the Internet didn't lose their crap about that either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► but take it from me as an ipod touch owner with a portrait England for many years it's not as bad as you think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► it's fine you'll be OK trust me. Yeah I think it's one of those things like that you know I did see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► I'm sorry I forgot who it was and I should credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► but I totally forgot what I saw there was a series of tweets by somebody that was repeated a million times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► and eventually got to me where it was like you know the entire world is asking for better battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Yeah that was forgotten towel I believe everyone is asking for more battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► Nobody is saying boy I really love my i Phone five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► but it's too thick everyone is saying boy I really love my i Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► but I wish the battery lasted longer anyway I think you know what I mean I don't think it's battery life for the five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► S. Isn't that terrible. I like the idea of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► It's getting thinner if you really care get a giant phone the most noteworthy thing about the i Phone part is that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► again all the parts leaks were dead on the only thing that people didn't know where the resolutions which Gruber had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► obsessed over and he got one right and one wrong and the whole sapphire screen thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► The screen has some kind of coating on it I figure what word they're using for it they said like an ion deposit it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► green or something right it probably is the screen they were testing in all those videos you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► but it's not made of sapphire or in there for their sapphire and Apple didn't mention it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► So there you go there was obviously not the thrust of the phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► Otherwise they're going to be really showed up in all those different parts leagues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► and I have all things one of the eight we didn't know much about we still don't know much about I assume that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► phones all have one gig or are what I heard about it by now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► Do you guys all know that's what I've heard I mean maybe I don't know I think I feel like I would have heard about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► was going to be two gig looks like an eighty seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► It's tweaked because like the speed increase was like fifteen percent or twenty percent it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► when the seven came out today this is twice as fast. They fix is not that kind of lead the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Makes a big leap but it's always easier to make a bigger leap with G.P.U. Because you just add more units. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► It's twenty nanometer which good that sort of you know of the same like Intel is going to forking enemy with Broadwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► but Intel's previous processes twenty two nanometers So this is kind of like it's a big leap up from twenty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► It's not down to fourteen but it's you know it's significant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► So these look like good phones the camera with extra optical stabilization all that other stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► The purity Like I said will be a big deal especially if people use cases protruding Well actually be a non issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Also the optical establishes only in the big one and what I thought was interesting was when they were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► when they were describing the optical image stabilization how it work they said it uses the M seven and the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3113">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► Now I don't see I don't know how optical stabilization works in point and shoots but I do know how it works in S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► Is absolutely stabilisation is like the lens element itself spins and it loses how Canon's works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► and so like it has its own gyroscopic effect so that the movement is instantaneous and so it's awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► I can't imagine if if it's shifting the element around it like using software to sense gyroscopic input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► and then shift the thing around. How is a fast enough software is really fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► Computers are really fast instructions execute in nanoseconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► and it's probably like you know the the things that are moving at first was not moving it much right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► And second the can move it those small distances very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► So the thing they showed in the video is obviously crazily exaggerated likely to move up and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► and you know it's more like a barely visible vibration I would assume it's obvious it's not going to be good at optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► Probably know they're doing what they can to try to make it so that if they have to leave the shutter open a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► or because it's dark you don't get as much like Don't expect miracles from this is still a camera the size of them all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► So yeah I think so and if in only the big one now have you guys done the printed out paper things of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► but I thought you did I did not I was going to wait so I print out the paper I will into an issue not of you know where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► you can get these P.D.F. I think what's interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► So before you print this out I was saying you know what if the big one has a better camera I'll just get the big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► because I having a better camera important to me and if it has any other major improvements I'll get the big one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► Then I print this out and I cut them out and I actually tried holding the big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► and oh my god it is so friggin big like the fine print. I think the six plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3232">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Wow like it is so big that if I hold it the way I usually hold a phone which is a hole in my left hand corner of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► phone is resting on my palm finger thereafter on the right side on the left side I can't reach the home button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► Like that's how I keep my thumb can't reach the home button. OK that's a good point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► Like it's crazy like even even there like their thing that drops a screen down reachability that's the reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► we're so Janki even that which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► Yeah that's not a great I mean I guess it's better than like putting it in a corner I guess is better than trigonometry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► corner but maybe just barely better really it's not that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► but people don't use those giant phones that way I've seen a lot of people use and write and they don't use them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► Holding On the way you're old and they use them either like a sidekick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► or you're holding it in landscaping using your thumb to type or the use two handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► and sometimes they're using it like the gals you know generally using two handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► and with the stylus knows no styles of this and you can buy aftermarket ones in fact. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► My mother has one of those if you like using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► It's very strange it's not they're not using it the way you're using it you're trying to use it like a traditional i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► and it's totally awkward that way another one handed mode thing that is a very pragmatic solution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► It's not great but it's certainly better than nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► The worth I think it might do is encourage people to think they can use it that way because that's not going to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► you the little double top on bottom of slide down of my going to save you from it like you said you came here to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► home but if you try to hold that way you did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► I feel like the people who know they want this phone already are handling giant phones like this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► or have them have them in the past or like they're going to use them differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► when the i Pad came out I came in wrap my head around this thing my hands are you don't hold it that way you don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► it that way it's a different form factors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► So this is the only phone it would be disastrous but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► and everyone who's tried the four seven tells me it's reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► Reserving judgment till I can file myself not made of paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► Oh yeah I mean obviously this could be different you get it in your hand but the paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Types make it make it it makes it so that I am definitely going to get the four point seven And so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► and let me let me tell you why I also like this is why it was also easier for me to make this decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► And just like if I can pre-order it which actually I can't because of stupid upgrade eligibility anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► I'm going to five seven the four point seven I'm not going to try to try to get both the return want to try to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► five five and you know try to try it first in the story and I won't be able to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► The reason why is twofold number one it's not like this is the only year we're going to have this size four point seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► is already a huge great so let me go to that first and then see if that's big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and you know before I start jumping over another size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► Second the five point five is so big and will be and it's so poor for single handed use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► Apparently I was thinking from it that I feel like it will do better in a world where the watch is commonplace because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► of the watch will will in many situations in which you'd be taking your phone having used one hand if you have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► take your phone while you're walking on the street. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► That's like walking the dogs at my pet like that's a situation where you'd use your phone one hand to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► quick. The watch will presumably eliminate a lot of those needs take the phone your pocket for that kind of situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► And so I'm thinking the the five point five might make more sense to get next year because the watch isn't even going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► to be out supposedly until early twenty fifteen or spring whatever word they use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► That probably means April you know and a half or maybe later if it's if that's if it's on time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► It might mean June you know we don't know and then the next i Phones will be out next September probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► And so you know this is the kind of thing like once the watch is commonplace. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► I think the bigger firms will be more palatable to more people it might be a better tradeoff because like I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► a better camera I would like better battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► I would like a big screen when I'm using certain things I'm reading certain things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► So it's like I would like the bigger screen in some in some places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► but because I thought to keep taking out of my pockets do all sorts of one handed thing so often that's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► problem. Whereas in the future that might not be the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► Which one you think you're going to get a sixty four A one twenty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► Let's agree made this is an easy I been getting sixty four for the last few revisions of the device only because thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► two just wasn't quite enough space sometimes but a sixty four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► I've never I've never filled up as if to get device reasonably so make you going to sixty four now it's two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► bucks cheaper I think. And John I'm curious what do you think of the new capacities and pricing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► I didn't predict it is a very clever way to succumb to the realities of reduced parts prices over the years like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► has been living in a fantasy world where sixteen thirty two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► and sixty four gigs of lash of their required spec somehow has not changed in price unlike the however many years they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► were running the skipper has a seventy something NOW to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► and they used anywhere they have just been way too long you know like our writer right here is a wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► when he made his sixty four but the lower model six sixteen seems punitive like I said it's like the RAM thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► I think this is a decision made by people who are worried about Apple's margins more than they're worried about Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► customer experience and other things you can't have a sixteen or even an eight for people who want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► but if you're only going to have three models to continue to sell the sixteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► and make it the cheapest one is going to drive a lot of people who are price sensitive into a phone that does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► enough capacity for the things they're going to do with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► and it will be as I have a sixteen I never thought that's fine it's great it's just that because it's a low end model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► People are going to say I don't you know they're going to say I have no idea what a gigabyte is the cheapest phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► So then they don't realize that they're that have a person to take tons of video you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► or want to put a lot you know they don't know what their usage is in sixteen I can tell you in even moderate usage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► If you fill it up with like videos you take yourself and pictures and a couple of movies that you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► and a lot of the apps especially games which can be gigantic You can fill sixteen really quickly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► And that's a disappointing experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► and there's really like there's no price justification for that sixteen that sixteen could have been a thirty two which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and it's a big deal because the actress sixteen is all storage whereas the original sixteen part of that is by the O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► and All the other stuff so I think there's going to be an ever so slightly larger group of people who are disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► because they are price sensitive they can afford thirty two we don't want to pay it and they either don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► or have that they're going to fill sixteen or have no choice but to try to fit their stuff in a sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► and that's not a good experience because I us generally does not behave well when it's out of storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► Maybe the deleting of you know the the auto deleting a message attachments might you say save will help a little bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► this regard for storage sizes but it's really disappointing to me especially like in the in the six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► Like if they're going to do that on the five or something or one of the other or the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► but like I understand you have to have that in both for the flagship six line to go sixteen sixty four one twenty eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► that sixteen really sticks in my craw did not like it. Yeah I wonder I wonder if they wouldn't mid cycle bump it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► I'm probably not they have done that in the past but it's been a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► but yet it just looks like it's growing you like it it doesn't look it looks it looks like a cheap move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► and they're like they're differentiating on that's what they chose a different Yeah like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► They don't differentiate around always tell you anything about Rahm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► and I I think it is also disappointing they still have one gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► but I can kind of excuse the ramp for power requirements. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► You know if they're going to get back to Earth then this thing will be made with a millimetre thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► or you want to worry about that with gentle than you can kind of excuse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► but I mean you really have to be exist so it's not as important as it is in the i Pad I really hope the next I bet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Two gigs because it's just you know the the assets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► and everything there are just so much bigger in terms of texture sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► and all of us not like there's a dedicated pool of of the RAM hanging off the side of this thing you know so the RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► situation is more dire and I think with a giant screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► and the power constraints are more are much bigger on the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► but I mean how long can we keep this up how how long do we go with with one gig this is got to be the last generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► right. And I hope next. I mean they're not going to this is that O.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► Thing with like imagine they want to OK That and the you know the i Phone six S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► or Of that they're going to call it has to be the RAM except for in the lower model which has sixty pigs a flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► and anyway they don't do that probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► Yeah that's what do you differentiate they come in colors but those those all cost the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► They use the storage sizes as their tearing structure for making you pay more money and to help their margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► Yeah the screen size to this mean size I don't think that using screens eyes were tearing because a bigger screen just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► really does cost more like and not one hundred dollars more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► but that's kind of like their increment you know I mean like well you know the theory especially since like people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► pay more for a larger told it like they understand you will pay more money because it's bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► and has a bigger screen that's does that's a thing that people already accept storage sizes kind of like the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► they will differentiate on that people don't really understand like people don't even know the difference in RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► and flash storage and as of this is what we're going to use our dial to make you pay more money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► So John if you were to get an i Phone which I am assuming that you have no interest in still hypothetically which model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► would you be getting I have a lot of interest that they don't ever have to hit the high potential. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► My interest becomes very great doesn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► Yeah I'm going to go for a sixty four you know four point seven inch i Phone six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► Well I will I'm going to have to wait until they get into the store I'm going to pre-order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► and then I got I have to wait until they get into the store have to try to my auntie was like I really do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► Because I never liked the five design I like I was on looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► and it sort of it's in the black front sort of glamour shot that they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► and I like the idea of how I think it's going to feel in my hand because of the rounded edges so I I like this is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► know like this phone I just don't know if it'll be too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3854">TS</a>]
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01:04:30 ◼ ► So wait so all three of us agree that this one that we can choose would be sixty four again equal presumably different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/3870">TS</a>]
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01:17:03 ◼ ► and it's a very very small surcharge they make it up in volume or want to anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► And yeah and there will be if this actually works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► There will be a lot of also That's the question what makes anyone think this has any more chance of working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► and becoming widespread than any of the past efforts or passbook for that matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► Well I think the the biggest reason first of all you know passbook was a tough sell because passbook didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► offer either side massive benefits. It's like it wasn't that easy or that much easier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► It didn't it was a pain to implement slightly you know because you had to do something instead of nothing so like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► know you had a few special support implemented on the server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and then like on the Zed there's like this weird af that they go in a kind of you know like find a link somewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► your confirmation e-mail as a download a passbook if they even had that which they usually didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► And I feel the benefits there were not big enough for the for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► For all the work on both sides to be worth it for most people whereas for this I feel like you know if this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► and granted the video was hilarious in how it like the doing it wrong side of the video that we hope that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► No it was not comical it was embarrassing how bad it was I like when they asked for it she asked for ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► and a swipe of the mark on the first time two things that almost never happen. It was so it was so uncomfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► That was an example of Apple like what you want is it Apple to be fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► Like in like when when and Steve Jobs picture what phones look like with all the different keyboards that was fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► Those were good publicity shots of those actual popular phones it was not finding the ugliest phones in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► and putting it up to show how nice your looks and acts to it it was like These are the popular phones now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► and then we're going to show you the i Phone and it's different than them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► This was not a fair comparison this is like this does not accurately represent the inconvenience of using a credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► Right in this that's the thing is that this is one of those parts of the keynote where I was just sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and I wanted to crawl into a hole because it was so ridiculous I was like kind of embarrassed just watching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and I think I'm probably being a bit dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► but the thing of it is is that Apple keynote servants what we're calling this are usually so spot on and so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► and this was just awkward. I don't know most of it was great but this part was just really awkward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► So for the success rate of this thing ever passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► but I asked that mostly just to you know to throw it out there I think this will be more successful than passbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► and I think the main reason is this is all again totally US centric. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► Like Mark I say we all know about chip cards we all know how backward you are yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► Yes we live in America we care about our backwardness getting fixed not how awesome it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► and your amazing country anyway. So speak your language we move there if we did enter the room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4789">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► We're going to work is because of the the massive concentration of power in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► Payment industry to these you know few big banks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and few big credit card companies most of which Apple seems to have cut a deal with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► So right there you've got just huge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► when Apple did a deal for i Tunes There's got like whatever the big five record labels of whatever they were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► that's all they need to do deals with because they covered it you know they covered most of the music people care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► whether Apple is doing deals that you know as a Mastercard Visa like Bank of America like they're just covering a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► portion of the entire market just by doing deals with these gigantic companies that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► but probably should be illegal levels of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► and concentration of wealth than in any way that we're not on the retail side too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► There's a similar like if you know the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► Is so much based on like the big chain stores that all you need are a handful of the big chains to have a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► footprint of the transactions that happen in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► and then then you can start getting more support from the smaller people just because well we have all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► using this you'll benefit from this model and that's what they need to make it work is you need to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► It's not it's not the thing in the phone it's not the software it's not what it is is that stupid ugly reader thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► that is the most important part of this product as a solution for people is that stupid ugly reader thing that stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► Reader and you know and the way it's hooked up and that has to be millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► and millions of places that is the hard part of this project not the like you said people getting an obscene Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► Like it's so easy to do all the other parts that the hard part is to cut the deal with all the people so they say use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► Except our you know like payment tokens put these things and all of your stories like that is the hard part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► That's the biggest kind of like the Amazon level type of thing where they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► or even Google like we're going to scan every book in the world we're going to make self driving cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► or whatever this is one of the first things that I see an Apple sort of gets though into of saying we're going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► to do this big thing doesn't work unless those little scanners are all over the place hooked up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4914">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► and so them cutting a deal with the big credit card companies so that your You'll be able to make something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► can pay with and you will connect to your bank your credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► or whatever that's one have it in the other half is getting the little scanners in a bunch of stores hooked up to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and I think the amount of stuff they're there you know that they've announced in this deal is probably just barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► enough maybe maybe barely enough to get them over the hump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► You need some kind of critical mass of this isn't going to become like the passbook game look at the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► and even if they do the airlines are kind of spotty in the beginning about whether that was their own people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► or you know like is this really you really need to get some critical mass before intill this year for this to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► something that's that is more than just a curiosity that a bunch of rich people do in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► when they go to Whole Foods you know the timing of this is actually amazingly good because the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► Like there's finally now a big movement to move to chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and pin ever since I believe it started out as the Target credit card act thing where like I apologize to whoever was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► talking with us I overheard on a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► and forgot who was basically in the last couple years there been so many massive scale credit card hacks in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► Especially the big target one that like it's finally getting so expensive for the credit card processors to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► all the resulting from everything that they're now finally pushing the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► To about Chip and PIN all the fraud rate like the program has been really low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► and it has gone up slightly with these hacks like but all it takes is for the far right to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► but leave these to the credit card companies you know live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► and die based on their you know terrible fees that they charge you with their grazing you know interest rates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► and so the front goes up one percent that is enough for them to sell right finally we have to get rid of the student to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► get extra stuff in like there is a big turnover in that type of that's the reason they drag their feet like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► we have now is fine why would we invest in changing it. All you need is the froggery take a plug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Percent or two and suddenly becomes economically feasible to go to something better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► And it's I suppose there's a competition between the the little chip things they have in the rest of the civilized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► world and something like this and I see things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► Exactly and that's why I think like because this shit is finally happening in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► And because you know you what you said over the concentration of power in the U.S. Being such that the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► Is a fairly straight forward market to dominate if you can get a you know the handful of people on board. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► That's why I think this has a very good chance of succeeding because all those credit card terminals all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► are going to have to get up there in the next few years anyway and so they're probably not going to cement support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► Is wildly out there which now will be so do you think it will be socially awkward to do this to be early on in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► Apple Pay adoption. No I don't think so I figure I mean think of the convenience trumps everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► Like do you remember when the little kiosk where yet so I have your own card for it came out. Oh yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► But and it was a change never and it got used to and that was it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► Do you have one of those little dangly things that use of the gas stations you know to swipe your card. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► I've had one of those for what ten fifteen years there are some you get one you never go back to the old way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► and this is the equivalent of that as soon as people can like rub some part of their purse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► or whatever up against a thing and pay for things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Oh my goodness you're going to rob your purse against the gas pump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► and you know what I mean like the convenience of just like the light is so much easier than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► and even though the video is ridiculous I go it's so hard to get cards out of all I was really expected eggshells that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► crack on top of the person's hair and she's not going that like like from the commercial that it's on to the floor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► I just know things are everywhere anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► As silly as that is this is kind of like the whole I watch they were talking about before taking away the need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► romance through your purse to pull out the card to hand of the person to hand tobacco didn't show the part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Some places still make a do do stupid signature on the thing that's decreased a lot lately of the crimes I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► that little dance is not that inconvenient. But if you can cut most of it out it is addicting to be able to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► It is nice. Why would you ever like. It's like well that wasn't a problem I had no problem doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► But this is slightly more convenient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► What is the reason you would ever go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► when this actually has pointed out many times where you know this has advantages over the old way in that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► have to give your credit card number to anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► They don't have to know anything about you or your name like using the tokens is more secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► or reveals less information to Apple anyway the credit card company stores what you buy where and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► but you know it's not Apple not helping with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► when they're not in it is it is a potentially more secure which is why everybody likes it reduce for ordinary thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► service that is more convenient to you and it's not that it's going to be such a life changing thing is just silly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► Once one third is an option for you you will never like you will never go out of the stores that has that option so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► know what I want to dig my credit card out of a lot instead you just won't what's the point there's no upside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► and soldiers completely switch over to doing it the more convenient way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► If they can get these things in enough places it will hopefully not be a novelty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► but more like be like the defaults for the the three stores that you you know where I shop for my groceries where I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► for my you know home supplies or whatever if it is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► or four stores you frequent all have this it would have become the way you pay for the things that I think it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► to be interesting challenge for them to get enough locations fast enough for this not to be some weird again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► or a curiosity that that is only in a few places and also think about the lock in effect they have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► Once this is everywhere you know this is not going to force everyone to buy i Phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► but it will make it harder to ever move away from an i Phone it's going to one more thing that if you have an i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► and you're thinking about switching to some new Android hotness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► or whatever you'll have to think you know that I won't be able to use this in the exact same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► and even if you do even if you think supports and of see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Well it might be different when I work as well when I want to kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► and they're really getting like the hardware is capable of doing things of Android doesn't sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► and Google stuff of payment processor like there's no reason that other companies couldn't strike the same deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► and presumably there are hardware is there it is a business and software decision like once the readers are everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► I don't think Apple has any particular lock in to those readers because those readers could be repurposed to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► payments from Android phones just as easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► So it's more of a can other companies you know do the deals with with all of the credit card companies and banks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► and retailers in the same way that Apple has done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► Oh yeah I'm not saying they can't but I'm saying like you like not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► but most people as users might consider that like oh I've gotten used to with an i Phone for the season touch Why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► If I'm moving under phone it might not work that well or it might be different or it might not work at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► You know depending on the set up and everything like even I of I know of course these are standard and I see things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► and I know that like other things will work with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► but there will be that kind of psychological lock in effect like that's one more thing about my life that will that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► will have to change if and possibly lose if I switch and and the watch will get to the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► but the watches is after the same it has exactly the same effect which is like this is one more thing that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► that's going to have to change if I switch away from this. Someone pointed to chat rooms the Touch I.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► Is a factor in this because it gives Apple the rate that you get if the credit card is present at the transaction you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► have a lower the lower surcharge than if you just error entering the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► and these are all weird details investitures of the credit card processing engine basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► Apple stands to make Apple can make better deals because it was able to convince the credit card company to touch ID is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► a sufficiently security thing that they should get the same rate that someone gets are they physically have the card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► So you won't need to have a credit card with you but Apple will pay the smaller surcharge like basically you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Apple's doing what it does best making the deals with the big companies making deals that are as favorable as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► to it that also make their partners happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and using technology to do that because Apple play only works from devices that Touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► or devices that require a device that I thought I'd like to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► And Android will find a much harder time doing that because even if they come out with other Touch ID It will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► forever or possibly never that is everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and every android like it's it's so much harder to make penetration version like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► Apple already got two hundred million I think they were talking about the five stuff that work to watch every year two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► hundred million was the number of i Phone five and above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► and yeah so the five Ss in the six is very soon a huge number of virus devices will have touch idea Touch ID is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► when it comes to stuff like this because it is another factor in the authentication soup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► and it's it's helping Apple make better deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► and I think it will actually help people feel slightly better about doing this transaction like that it's not just oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5453">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► if you steal my phone you can buy things you can unless you have their thumb print or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► and I'm just repeatedly unlocking my phone the Touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► and repeat of the doings to the Touch ID every time I put a new bill the violence which kind of annoys me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► and I'm a big fan of Touch ID I have great success rates I think it is. We wondered when it first came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► Will this be good enough to be like will be like Siri where it's like what you play with it for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► but then you realize the excess rate is too low for you to really trust anything Touch ID I feel like it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► crossed that bar I trusted for the intended purpose it works if it ever misses like it's convenience trumps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► whatever small percentage of failure rate that I get on it just don't try to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► when you come in the shower because your skin is all floppy and it doesn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► Now before we move on somebody did find this and it was drunk easy right. Yes a drug dealer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► To our caller earlier to see if she could come in and she saw it and she now is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► and if we are still interested in hearing one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5515">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► One woman's opinion on the i Phone sizes you want to put her on at sign are fake as about right so I'd asked earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► what your conclusion was about which phone you're going to potentially get because you used to trying the phone on as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► convenient excuse to show the internet your butt. Oh I was curious if you reached a conclusion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► Well I did enjoy showing the internet my but I asked this mark of the news like I don't own your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► but I do think what information is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► but you do what you want with it I would like him to ask me permission if you want to show the Internet has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► but he doesn't you know because you've got nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► But no I think my conclusion is that I might stick with the phone I have because it's like like a crazy person you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► going to use the same i Phone for two years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► I'd like an animal like pain because it's just going to be so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► but I mean I thought that this one I was appalled by how light it felt at first you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► when you got the new the most reason it went what is that the five something was like a five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► Yeah you're probably appalled by the lightness when you got the five because that's when I got taller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► and I was also very light compared to the for us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► Yeah I like any time it changes I'm like This is the worst and then you know when the new Iowa Iowa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► Yeah I'm saying the right things right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► Yeah when that came on and it all looked like all candy pop and I'm like wow this is terrible to Everything's ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► and so I hated everything and then I like you know had it for two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► and then looked at my old phone like this phone is so old what I did I really want that old phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► The worst so I have a little bit of that still in my mind that I might you know look at it look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► and be like that little phone was still old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► You know once I get the bigger one being bigger I mean like the four point seven So the five five is now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5634">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► The no fly zone is out of the question of the question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► I can't lie I mean you can't like scroll all the way I gave or reach the other side of the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► I'm holding the paper right now looking at it my little lady thought and I'm going up to up it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► Marco's little man throne can't reach the home button so everything is weensy on Marco that's expected. He's dainty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► Love it or even I was about to ask if I read out totally derailed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► So the theory is sitting here now on a Wednesday night before the pre-order you are going to ask Marco to pre-order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► and then if if Marco ends up coming back with a four seven What do you think the chances are that you're going to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► at it and say Holy crap I need that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► Probably a seventy percent chance that I'll say that I need that because I can't help it I like having the new stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► but I don't know I just like my little i like being able to say it's in my pocket it's small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5694">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► and like I discussed on Twitter and showed everyone on Twitter that my pocket there's a mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► and it doesn't mean my phone currently barely fits in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► Do you do you really keep your eyes on your back pocket and sit down with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► I really do and you sit down and share a hard chairs and a half on your back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► Well it depends on the surface of them sitting down on the soft chair it stays in if it's a hard chair comes out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► BEARD I evaluate you know depending on the situation. That sounds like way too much work and I know it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► If I'm at the park it usually comes out and into my front pocket because I'm like up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► and down with the you know with our sun So it's in and out plus the sand you know usually have it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► Fair enough and since you're here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► and you know I presume you're about to be banished for immediate thoughts on whether or not you would desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► and I wear an apple watch I will state it too. I like wearing jewelry too much to kind of mess that all up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► I think my accessories I decide to choose what I'm wearing as you know that's is the type of girl that I am I never was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► a watch wear so I don't think I would get into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► But but see previous comments about mark of getting something new and shiny. Yeah but I mean come on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► If I had if I got the big phone and I can't. Oh he's putting it on my wrist. Is that the little one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► That looks kind of nice that wants to kick that man and I could change my mind. The gold one looks nice Mark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► I don't know why if I got the big phone then the big phone might end up living in my purse and I could take it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► when you know our son is sleeping and I could do Twitter on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► but if I need notifications I could be right on my wrist so that's convenient and you could send Marco your heartbeat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► Exactly and you know I could draw little doodles that are important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► All right before I lose all capacity to be an adult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► So we're saying no fly zone for the five five tentative yes on the four seven and tentative yes on the Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► Because if the pocket that you async it's too brutal I might need to go to the watch for notifications for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► like little text message and stuff so I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► when to take my phone out of the purse persecuted by like all the bands that you could have a choice each day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► Oh yeah that's it I'd have to do to get the watch because I need to match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► but then you can only if you have been I have to get to faces because once called the once over so depends on her face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► of us to watch it. Feel free to get to what some people were both at once. Yeah exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► And Mark goes over there he's rubbing his eyes like call his head he's like why wouldn't you have a day watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► and I watched her I know I mean come on already well thank you for the feminine influence for tonight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► Oh you're very welcome here. Thank you Marco back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► I don't think they get away with calling him dainty mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► or such a good idea to have your wife on the show isn't a mark of reading it in the background that does great I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► wait to hear the ear like I wasn't concerned about like having to buy multiple devices. I was thinking like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5871">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Oh my God I'm going to wait on like five different lines to get all the watches and all the different bands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► All right so let's let's talk about some. Are we done with apple pie. I actually won one quick observation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► I know this doesn't relate to i Cloud but it is kind of funny to me that after all of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► Angsty not you know about i Cloud just what a week or two ago. Now Apple saying to the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► Yes trust us with your credit cards and trust us with your with all of this we will be OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► and I understand because I'm an engineer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► That one is not really related to the other but it is kind of funny to me that there wasn't even like even a snicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► or a nod to the fact that there was all sorts of i Pod Aaja just a week or two ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► Well I mean first of all like I think the geeks even people who are extremely critical of Apple know that like OK well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► the credit cards aren't being stored in a cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► and stuff like that like like there's like even that like it's hard to argue you know like falsehoods. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► That being related or not related. Secondly people have a very short memory with this kind of stuff very very short. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► And and you know Apple Pay isn't even out yet it's not going to launch for at least on a like month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► and a half it is that they said October it's right now early September that might be like Halloween when it launches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► or it might be in of Amber and I well you know these are not like the like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► That's long enough away that the celebrity nude hack thing is going to be forgotten. People have already forgotten it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► Now another thing that they should and it's not a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► but reality wise like that that type of news story the cycle that it the news cycle that it's been butchered turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► over ninety seven times for the I think it could still be in the back of people's minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► but you know for Apple they in particular apple has a good story to tell customers the story unfortunately involves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/5991">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Knowing everything they currently know and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► but as you say well at least Apple is not adding another party it's going over them because Apple is not participating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► in that information exchange and has no reason to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► It doesn't base its business model or on having an information or controlling it or selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► or anything it doesn't even want it. Everybody else still has it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► People are totally OK with that now with credit card games except for the people who only pay for everything with cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► so I think that'll be a non-factor at least an apple pie right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► Do you want to whine about the i Pod Touch and or i Pod Classic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► Anyone that's the best follow up is like we were just trying to predict one or two episodes ago they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► and they are going to be around forever then I'm going to kill it and then yesterday killed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► Well now we said that he killed one time and we always expect them to and so far they haven't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► but you know it really is remarkable that they did kill it like of all of all the changes they made yesterday to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► everything to their site to their store. Like how does how is that a higher priority to even be removed from the site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► and symbolic if you want to go into their whole like oh the revolutionary input methods to finally retire the last well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► I just is and I don't have a quick will and retire the last on the Quick Well yes I think it's touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► but I mean so was the cloud you know I mean like the wheel anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► It's it's like phasing out of the original i Pod form factor and also all is left now is the now in the shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► and the touch which isn't really an i Pod. Fair enough right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► So let's talk about this Apple Watch which by the way I don't call it an I watch that's going to be difficult all fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► trained myself out of it. Why why do you think we're banning the I mean it's kind of dated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► It's not so much that it's dated it's I think it may be misguided because I this I understand why they're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► but using generics is not a great way to do it's kind of the same reason that car makers all move to the B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► Mercedes naming convention you talk about is back on neutral like the you know so I B M W has a series of number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6111">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Ers and letters and Mercedes as numbers and letters is well out he has you know A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► and then followed by a number whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► When Acura came into the luxury car business which is Honda's luxury brand they had the Acura legend in the Acura [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► Integra. And what happened is that people refer to the their legend or their integrity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► They wouldn't say the word Acura and that's bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► So the theory goes for Acura brand recognition so accurate changed all his its cars from the legend of the integrity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► a series of nonsensical letters like P L N R S X and also kind of made skyscraper to have a name as another story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► The theory being that if you give your cars names that are just a bunch of alphabet soup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► or numbers people will have to say the word Acura more and the word accurate would be in their mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► So by calling I think the Apple Watch an Apple Pay and the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► It makes people say Apple repeatedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► or associate these products more with Apple receives the i Pod I watch there is the possibility in the mind again in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► the mind of marketers maybe in reality that people don't even understand who makes that part of that Microsoft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► They know i Pod they know i Phone they might know I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► but to the really casual person connecting that all back to Apple requires a leap of brand knowledge which may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► or may not be as strong as Apple would like it to be you know Apple does have a tremendously strong brand one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► strongest brands the entire world this is probably not a problem for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► but I can see some marketer in a meeting saying this will really help people continue to hammer the word apple into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► All you want to pay with Apple pay instead of saying I pay oh you have an apple watch is that your Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► The reason I think it might not be a great idea is because they're using generics. Watch T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► Pay male I hate Apple Mail every time I read an interview after Apple now because of this right now all of the capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► letter People think I misplaced a cap or a capital letter or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► Or am I talking about like mail like the Internet. As like a concept No I'm talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► I'm never going to write mailed out applicants through file name extensions so I have the mail right using a generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► Apple Watch like it would be better like in that respect I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► I Pod i Pad and i Pod and I agree with the A in the or whatever but i think i Pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► and i Phone are better than a generic because you can't just say watch by itself you have to say Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► So I think I see what they're going for. But to me it feels a lot like mac book where it's like I don't like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► I still think mac book is done by selling power because a better name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► but in that case they were getting the mac name out and yeah you know I'm back in mac book you know it's a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► Maybe the next computer will be the apple mac address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► and you know that's that's my theory behind the Apple fifteen I'm not a fan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► I mean a couple things like I mean first of all Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► Did this too it was like when it was in development it was called I.T.V. In fact they even called it I.T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► They went to the similar thing where like people are first referring to to the i T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► and Then when it was released to the Apple T.V. and It sounded weird about the BE THAT was the B.B.C. and I was a baby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► Some one of the various things you can people you need more things to correct us on there you go wherever whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► I see these things that you guys have made us to not be able to call it id right but so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► So there was that words like I think it sounds weird you know yesterday and today I think like Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► Doesn't sound weird to me anymore it's kind of weird the first day I think will deliver it quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► Secondly I don't think it's quite as much about trying to boost the Apple brand I think that's part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► but I think another big part of it is Fashion is high fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► and high fashion branding as a society we're OK having phones in our pockets and taking out a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► and having computers in our back and take no more use in them when you're wearing something all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6354">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► Time like all day every day you're wearing something money that is jewelry that is an accessory that like the standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► are so much higher for what people are willing to wear than what they're willing to carry in their pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► and I watch kind of sounds geeky like to me that I watch sounds nerdy you know camel case itself is pretty nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► and it just it just kind of like that sounds nerdy to me whereas Apple Watch sounds like a higher class brand name even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► though I know it's a trick in certain ways but it just sounds like I watch is a geek thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► and Apple Watch is a fashion thing. They really really want to go fashion and her of all that watch by Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► But they will think about fashion in their we don't buy this before I think like that the tolerance for being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► billboard is strangely high in the fashion world because then I maybe I'm still getting this wrong I think I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► wrong end of the show and I really get it wrong people can we correct me that the idea being that you can't copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► or otherwise protect the intellectual property of a design of something like a purse or a shoe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► But you can protect your logo because that your trademark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► So they put their logos all over everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► and so now logos become part of the design because you know you have a need to come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► and tell me what you know Louis Vuitton bag or something with a little logo all over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► and that becomes like a pattern and you know it becomes the logo itself becomes fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► and so it's like Apple doesn't put their logos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► You know there's a lot of on the back of the phone but not on the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► and on the Apple Watch I don't think with their logo anywhere on the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► I think on the back it has a little apple button for Rolex has a little Rolex symbol the word Rolex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► and Louis Vuitton bags and all those things are just covered with things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► and Apple does not have its logo everywhere they say look they had a logos on the back and great anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► I said watch by Apple but that's like it doesn't have a name like a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► and I think maybe it could benefit from one especially was going to be like a high end watch because of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6475">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► The Rolex is like it's a product name for the type of watch it I don't know enough about high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► and watches to know that like you can't just say watch by itself you have to say Apple Watch every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► and it's a little bit of a mouthful. Is that your watch it's an apple watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► You're right that I watch on here but Apple watches seems like kind of a mouthful in kind of generic and boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► but even Swatch is better is that a swatch like that's a brand too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► but it's just you know some brand of some Swiss company that you know I mean like I don't I don't know I'm I'm not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► really wish I don't especially because our i Phone like has worked out really want to make i Phone has worked out well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► like a grand it is more of a geek product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► but I think because this is fashion that's maybe a reason not to make it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► but the fashion area will get to the very start of the thing itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► but like there's no escaping it the i Phone was the kind of phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► and eventually everybody had formed a room is totally comfortable to having their i Phone or Bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► but also that was seven years ago and so not only is that mean coming from a different era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► but it might even be played out the I could I mean I think I had to go on forever I'm not a great fan of the I either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► but like we will never find out if this goes all I touch you know the same way everyone calls the i Pod Touch the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► Touch because they just like no apple we do not accept your name it's an I touch forever and ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► So creepy people could choose to just call this the I watch I mean we're doing it accidentally because we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► calling it our watch for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► We'll probably come around because we're the kind of geeks who care about what things are named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► but just let's convene back when this watch has been out for six months and see everybody you know still calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► and I watch or if they call it because a MacBook caught on people said Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► But people did not say i Pod Touch they say I touch right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► Well we have this guy really it's not it's not up to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► and it's not Apple's marketers will get full of that to the world at large and the little thing with the Apple logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► and then the word and then you know writing it out well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► and sometimes then having the little low over the thing in it that always struck me that we are with Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6593">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► Everyone knows how they're going to do it you know the rule is you just write it out one way if you're writing about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► but if you want to make it as like a little logo mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► or whatever the word is you put a little apple logo in the thing next to it in the small caps for a watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► Well that's a that's a stylization in the in the marketing material that's not the name I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► but it's not the strike you as weird like I can't think of I guess I mean we have a bit of travel T.V. but T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► Is always you know all caps or small caps so it doesn't look as weird there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► Yeah I would I wouldn't put too much on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► I mean tentatively five S The S is lower case we are right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► and that just seems like you like the naming to be like a nice clean win. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► And lately the naming is been weird and not not consistent with self and it was always some little problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► or two that the i Phone will become the Apple phone now on account of because this is too much brand equity an i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6652">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► It's a great name. Yeah i Phone is established. What are we going to give up numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► Yeah that's coming sooner than that I think that the number thing like again talk about the naming stuff getting it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► the i Pad for being the new I think it was I don't like that the time is coming for the end of i Phone numbers like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► don't think they're going to go too far into double digits for the i Phone because it will just start seeming I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► think they'll get to double digits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► I think if people would lose track you have the i Phone thirteen or nine or ten and just like whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► It wouldn't surprise me if they did make it at least like eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► or nine because like the public kind of names these for them like remember when I blogged about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► when the forest came out and everyone freaked out because it wasn't the i Phone five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► and like the response was so incredibly brutal unnecessarily and unfairly brutal because the four S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► Was like quote not the real i Phone five. Or like or not and i Phone five and so the next year even though the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6713">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► Why was the sixth i Phone They called it i Phone five because I think everybody was demanding i Phone five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► and the entire world was calling an i Phone five before was even announced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► And so they said it was probably presumed presumed to be better for overall brand reputation blah blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► So you know this year is the i Phone six next year I was going to do a success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► and after that they were going to serve and I think they can make it easily and eight to seven eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► and possibly even nine I just feel like once you start getting to double the number start to blur people's minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► and they can be like it's easier to be able to remember five six seven and remember thirteen fourteen fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► But if we keep having these steps that we still have like like eight more years dead they've got they've got Tommy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► they like getting them on the i Pad as it has worked out more or less like people don't care you know. I Pad i Pad Air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► but that's all that that also came with like a massive revision like will see like you know what are they going to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6775">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► this fall's i Pad or the latest rumor is that the retina many won't even be updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► and they're going to be like basically I've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► or two you know is that going to be the name is going to be the i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► or you know in parentheses late twenty fourteen like you know what they're going to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► They haven't been renaming the macros on the macro to the macro three like it will work out the difference there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► these products is that phones seem to get upgraded either annually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► If you're impatient and spoiled or bi annually least in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► By annually if your normal person is I mean every other year. Don't go into that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► Yes So the point is that means but I think they can in fortnightly. Yes You know what I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► So for annually The thing is that these other products like the i Pad generally speaking those are upgraded on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► annual or every couple year basis unlike a phone and so I think having the numbers on the phone make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6832">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► and it will be harder to get rid of than on an i Pad which may only upgrade every two to three years. Now we shall see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► We we went off on the one hand you talk about the watch. I love that we are now two hours and we have to watch really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► When I was watching this video I know there's going to be a I was pretty sure I was going to be a watch they did of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► One more thing which you know I get distracted on I think it's fine you know if you're going to hold back for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► this is what holds it back for I don't really care what Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► or a thought about them using this whole idea is this what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► but they think it's right they thought this was right I thought it was fine this is significant product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► and then they show the interviewer like you know Tim Cook talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► and he's like in the some partners new product category he didn't say it was a watch or anything like that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► and here it is and you see the video in a show like this is going to be a first glimpse of this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► and they show you close ups of parts of it you can't tell what one likes they showed the censors in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► and you couldn't like they were crazy like what the hell does some sort of alien device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► and they show you the little crown but you don't know it's the crown yet and it looks really weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► And so watching this video I thought the little details are showing a really cool Mike this is something unexpected not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► and it's kind of like one of those things at the back of the hours like Games magazine anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► One of those kids' magazines they show you extreme close up of something you have to guess what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► and it's hard to tell because it's really close up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► That's what the beginning of this video was for and when they are like in the third or fourth shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► when they finally show you the watch itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► and it rotates into view my first impression immediate was disappointment that it looked like a smart watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► That was my media person brushing one of your guys a reaction to that same I I was starting to feel more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► and more smug about my own theory that it wouldn't look like a pebble or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► and it would be more about sensors than anything else and it's sort of about sensors but I was way off base. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6954">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► Yes and I was hoping for and expecting something that looked totally different and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► and you touched on this the digital crown. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► That's sort of different in that it's using something we already know but in a very different way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► But it I was surprised to see that it didn't look that wild However the the bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:24 ◼ ► when they showed those I actually got surprisingly excited about those I thought they all looked really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6984">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► and it was clever the way that they have the little slide in an out in order to change them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► So what was your first gut gut reaction you wrote his interview you fine see what it looks like what do you think of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► not what you think now but what did you feel that second I completely agree with Casey basically when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► when I first saw it I first actually a few days beforehand a few days ago some site leaked like some CAD drawing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► turn out to be exactly right. A CAD drawing of the watches body and it was like the T.V. T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► Engineering test drawing of some of that and so when I saw that I was disappointed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► Oh man it's just like a lumpy rectangle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► Like I was hoping either for a round face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► or for really like minimal thin kind of like some something else that didn't look like the other smart watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► and I think you know all of us in tech I've been drafting a blog post for this and I'm still to finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► but before the i Pad came out I made this post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► Basically we were all calling it the tablet I think is a rhetorical on a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► and we didn't we knew there was a tablet that was very heavily remote we didn't know anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► and this is the December and I like about a month before the i Pad was actually announced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► And during this time I did a couple of posts and one of them I was saying like the big problem with tablets is input. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► You know How is Apple going to solve the input problem and in a virtual keyboard design mediocre fiddle keyboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7072">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► Clunky with a tablet like and I went through really all the different things like what they could do and mice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► My conclusion was basically like there probably is going to do something I haven't thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► and a few other people had similar thoughts and writing about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► and then you actually John I found an article by you on our called antacid habit that I'll just paste it in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► and you basically said you have the common notion that Apple's going to do something crazy but they probably won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► and they'll probably just use existing stuff that we all know about and just do it well and that's what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► and it turned out the i Pad came out and they didn't invent any crazy new input mechanism they just did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► The ones we knew about well and it had it had problems like input on the i Pad is challenging. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► Keyboards and i Pad are still unsolved problem like it has the shortcomings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► but Apple just kind of punted like well we don't really know how. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7137">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► Like whenever the Whenever people say oh well they'll have to have to come up with something we can't think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► number of times Apple has come up with something we're not thinking of is actually pretty low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► Usually they do things that people have thought of before and they just do them better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► Apple is not made of like crazy gods are made of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► and like it chances are if you can't think of a of a practical like reasonable doable way to solve a problem they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► And so we saw a lot of that leading up to this we will have to this watch thing where we saw tons of people we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► and ourselves even clued thinks just saying things like well you know you can look at smart watch that are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► and they have a number of problems mainly size battery life and display and interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► and so like this it's very very challenging to try to figure out how to interact with a screen this small that is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► to be functionally so busy like have so many functions on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7195">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► We can just cover thing a button that's weird you can't do much with a touch screen because it's so small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► Screen if it is a touch screen that's then you have battery challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► but you already have better challenges to begin with and that makes it even harder and so you take this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► and so we were all saying well they're going to do something we haven't thought of yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► They're going to they're going to solve the battery issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► or the displays are going to have a weird display that wrath from the whole thing or trying to have a display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► or it's probably not going to be just going to be a square L.C.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► Like a touchscreen like everyone else has when it comes out and it is what everyone else has done better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► and so you know I was disappointed to see that I was disappointed to see like well it's you know I've been I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:47 ◼ ► relatively uninterested in all these things smart watches so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7247">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► And part of this is I don't want to watch I mean I wore what I wore watching middle school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► So you know so it's a bigger jump for me to go from no watch to a watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7257">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► but I was disappointed that they didn't come up with some magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► but I also like I can't fault them for it because like well I don't know what they should've done instead of this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► think around them would have looked better but otherwise they still would've been probably large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► and like look I have I printed out paper prints of these two and the small one looks better on my wrist I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► and actually I don't know fashion wise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► Like are men like allowed to wear the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► and I don't even know that's thinking that there be a lot of men who pick the smaller one who regardless of the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► It is it does look nicer on my wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► but I'm worried that I won't be able to see that on the screen because it is noticeably smaller like I you know so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► I think will be a problem for Frank who picks a small one that it does fit noticeably less is substantially smaller in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:52 ◼ ► person and also the biggest problem with these to me is that they're just so tall they're they're thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7312">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► and that I think is going to be. Challenging fashion wise to get around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7317">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► Now that being said you know you can you can go back probably you can pick some time in history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► and you can say well seeing a big phone rectangle in your pocket is unfashionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► and these days it doesn't matter nearly as much because everybody's carrying on Fulmar tangles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► and everybody who has owned any given pair of jeans for more than about two months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► You can probably see a slight wear outline in the phone rectangle pocket you know if you can see you can see where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► and that's just become acceptable because we've all decided that it's worth throwing the devices around so maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► to me the I wear the sari to me happily watch it looks big and chunky to me but I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► We might decide as a society that's worth doing but for now I still are Casey I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► and I thought you know that's that's bigger than I That's bigger thicker and more square than I would have preferred. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► So I was excited to see Tim Cook go very closely onstage that what I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7374">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► when we talked about the i Watch in a recent not that recent show whenever we talk about all the other existing watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:06 ◼ ► and I'm like whatever Apple does all these things are these Android devices are doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7386">TS</a>]
02:03:13 ◼ ► You can't just take a smartphone shrink it down show run your Witcher Frist which is what all these Android devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7393">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► and it was just like this Android where even a lot of the Motorola Laci was like take our existing smartphone O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► An interface squish it down now you have a little tiny smartphone on your wrist that just does not work it's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► Can't do it and Tim Cook said as much on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► and he was talking about it in terms of the software of like you can just take your i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► and shrink it down he was talking tiling about you can just take an i Phone app so you can a pension zoom you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► all the same you why you can of all the stuff so I was like Right on time we agree there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► and it gets back to my initial gut reaction to the phone is looking like a little you know Airstream trailer on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► wrist and a little rectangle in just the whole thing is that I thought what they would. Go for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7434">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► Is something the technology doesn't exist for now but it will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► and that is like we knew it was going to be big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► We knew it was going to be thicker than you would think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► and by the way big thick chunky watches I think have been in fashion various times at least for men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► So it's not even that big of a deal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:18 ◼ ► when you have something like a like OK well it's got to be big because reasons X.Y.Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7458">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► and battery life big thick battery you can try to minimize that by making the transition between the strap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► and the thing be less abrupt because a a thin strap that goes in the edge of your little Airstream trailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► and your wrist highlights the fact that the thing is thick and the strap is thin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► Again totally expected replaceable straps totally I mean even again with getting better and make a robotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► or thing like like kind of like that but does if you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► but you know they give you this little they give you an actual little naked robotic core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► and it shoves into the little rubberized wrist thing Another example is going to make a rubberized tippet type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7495">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► but the same type of idea that the overall shape you have replaceable bands perhaps a replaceable everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► and the only thing the i Watch part of it would be a literal naked robotic or that slit in the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► and you try to minimize the fact that it's so darn thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► but by tapering it somehow I'm sure they investigated this whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:16 ◼ ► and probably what they came up with was look we had to know we know how to make rounded rectangle screens on top to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7516">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► really well but then you know they let the thing be true to itself it is a little tiny rounded rectangle it has a C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► and It has a screen on top of the battery it's a little sandwich. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► We know we're going to make it thinner as time goes on but just stick with this is I now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► but it just really does look like a lunch box on your wrist and they can make it fancy all they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:40 ◼ ► and they can put a comically oversized crown on it as a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7540">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► Thing and have it be off centre with a big giant button and we you know we know this will all shrink down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► but I I was really expecting them to to to try to mask the fact that it's so big and instead they've essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► and this is you know this is a Tele. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► I move embraced it like this is the watch this is the thing it's the metal thing we can make it shiny and nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:07 ◼ ► and we'll have the straps intersect in the middle so the thickness is kind of minified because if you have the straps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► in the bottom the whole Airstream trailer We're talking up a new risk that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► when people put on they say oh doesn't look that think it's not so bad there it's just that they are not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► trying to smooth the transition from the watch let alone the crazy mock ups they had like oh the whole thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:28 ◼ ► screen like it'll be longer till we get that or whatever so they can revise that when they want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7588">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► But this this design is definitely more jarring and on a macro scale then that I would have liked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► But on the microscale it is everything you would've expected of Apple the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:48 ◼ ► and the details of it the way the screen works even though the transition Rina screen in the case of the little gentle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7608">TS</a>]
02:06:53 ◼ ► curve and the force push on the thing like every other detail of it that they've done I'm very impressed with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7613">TS</a>]
02:06:59 ◼ ► They are basically showing everybody else this is all you do is so much you do not shrink i Phone apps down on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7619">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► and has to be totally new interface has to be contained to the phone for now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► We're not going to put people asking why the hell doesn't have a lightning port. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► I think that's obvious you don't want to be a place where there are contacts that you can you know splash water can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► up inside you don't want crap to collect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:20 ◼ ► and then bottom line lighting partakes takes up a huge amount of space relative to the size of that watch where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7640">TS</a>]
02:07:25 ◼ ► something has to go in its hollow space and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7645">TS</a>]
02:07:27 ◼ ► but you know forget lighting part without the inductive charging is very clever like everything else about it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7647">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► totally on board with just that it's it's a little you know little little lunch box on your wrist with a very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7652">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► Like I said but within a presentation I want to fast forward right now to the i Phone four S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:49 ◼ ► Design of this so many generations that is is going to look a lot better like three or four years you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7669">TS</a>]
02:07:55 ◼ ► Now now it totally looks like I think even the first i Phone. Look better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7675">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► I mean it's obvious similarities because they're both kind of rounded lozenge type things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:03 ◼ ► but yeah you know it's funny thing that I aim for that I keep thinking about with regard to the Apple Watch other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7683">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► well I don't get why I would want this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:15 ◼ ► And as I've said numerous times in the past any time I say that I end up wanting it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7695">TS</a>]
02:08:19 ◼ ► But the other thing the other thing I was thinking about is it looks to me to be extremely thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7699">TS</a>]
02:08:28 ◼ ► and I don't think I'd be into that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7708">TS</a>]
02:08:31 ◼ ► And so I completely agree with you John that I've got to assume over the next couple years it'll get thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7711">TS</a>]
02:08:38 ◼ ► and thinner and thinner and that starting to sound more appealing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7718">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► but I guess I don't know enough about watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► but I do know that I have seen some ridiculous Lee thick like normal watches on people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► and I think that is a fashion thing like the various times in history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► and we may be in one of them now that comically thick watches we're not saying right that they were you know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7735">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► was something you want to have that it was manly that it was exciting that it was interesting. Not only think but huge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:10 ◼ ► Having this come in two sizes that was the best part of the announcement like oh thank god because the size of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7750">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► thing it's like people have different size rest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► You cannot put something that big it's not going to look at and everybody having a smaller one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:23 ◼ ► The battery life is as reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7763">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► and it shows they understand there's a limit to the size of if you limit to the size of the screen you can put on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:31 ◼ ► wrist and not feel ridiculous until the screens get much thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7771">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► and much you know like the futuristic sort of giant hollow band thing that has that you know we're not there yet right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► So I'm glad that they have a smaller version of but I think the thickness. I mean I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:48 ◼ ► I'm trying to think Will this be a better than me just saying like I wish they had like minimises wouldn't look so bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7788">TS</a>]
02:09:53 ◼ ► I'm wondering if that this will bother anybody who's interested in a smart watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7793">TS</a>]
02:09:57 ◼ ► Because if you're interested on a smart watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7797">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► Then this once my bike it looks better than all the other smart watches I've seen in terms of the details it is not any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► more ridiculous than the existing lunch boxes on your wrists that are out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:10 ◼ ► Maybe the Motorola has a little bit more panache because it's round sort of flat tire around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7810">TS</a>]
02:10:15 ◼ ► but I think the Motorola one looks like looks bigger and more like I've seen women wearing the Motorola [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7815">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► but they called three sixty or something here at their imaginative name not a good watch that's a name and not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► Anyway that one I think it looks I think they did an excellent job in their publicity shots of showing real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:35 ◼ ► wearing the watch in a way that it looks normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7835">TS</a>]
02:10:38 ◼ ► and I was just amazed I went to the photo shop that is that really had the Watchlist because all those beautiful people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7838">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► wearing the watch in those shots of like you know joggers or the person holding a baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:49 ◼ ► or say like all those people the watch is just looking normal on their wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7849">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► and it almost made me think like that had to be fake because they did not look like ridiculous smartwatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7852">TS</a>]
02:10:56 ◼ ► and that's what everyone says who put it on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7856">TS</a>]
02:10:59 ◼ ► The may look huge on apples website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7859">TS</a>]
02:11:01 ◼ ► when it's gigantic floating Airstream trailer coming out your butt on your wrist it does not look as ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7861">TS</a>]
02:11:06 ◼ ► I still take a look at a little ridiculous Anjani Ivan Tim like sometimes you can see the water so heavy that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7866">TS</a>]
02:11:10 ◼ ► like rotating around their wrist you know from the weight of the watch was like twisting the band on their arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7870">TS</a>]
02:11:15 ◼ ► and some of the bands like that big glaring white like the bands look really thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7875">TS</a>]
02:11:20 ◼ ► and chunky to even Yeah I don't know I don't as a fashion accessory I think they're doing everything they can with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7880">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► current technology. But I was very surprised by the conventional ness of the of the design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► Yeah like we were all expecting something radically different from the other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► and it really isn't that radically different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:42 ◼ ► It's just better I don't think it needs to be radically different kind of like it's a design choice you could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7902">TS</a>]
02:11:47 ◼ ► could make like technology wise they could make the thing and I'm envisioning still has replaceable straps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7907">TS</a>]
02:11:51 ◼ ► but like tapered so that like so they're in visioning the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7911">TS</a>]
02:11:55 ◼ ► when the difference between the strap on the watch will start to go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7915">TS</a>]
02:11:57 ◼ ► and that now we know there is a huge difference in Israel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7917">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► No watching Apple's chosen to embrace that difference and say we're not going to mask that difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► We're going to say yes there is the strap and there's the watch and the watch is actually much thicker than a strap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:10 ◼ ► and there's no getting around that and we're going to own up to it and here it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7930">TS</a>]
02:12:14 ◼ ► As opposed to a more tapered type solution within the same technologies I'm not asking for a giant curved screen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7934">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► and I think regular like that like I think you know it's just it's just the design choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:26 ◼ ► and that's more of a I'm surprised by style choice of relation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7946">TS</a>]
02:12:30 ◼ ► and in retrospect in terms of that's the type of style they have you know they've expressed interest in before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7950">TS</a>]
02:12:35 ◼ ► especially Johnny I protect the flower I McInerney like that of letting the Bass be true itself down on the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7955">TS</a>]
02:12:40 ◼ ► letting the thing float in the air it's just a different direction that could have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7960">TS</a>]
02:12:45 ◼ ► and I think the rectangular ness also of the screen and the like the factor that the crown is off center. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7965">TS</a>]
02:12:52 ◼ ► But there's a lot of this is rising out of a century for Johnny I've designed a giant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7972">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► Yeah I want to quickly go back to a point you made earlier about traditional watches that are sometimes big in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:03 ◼ ► fashion statement and that doesn't really bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7983">TS</a>]
02:13:07 ◼ ► when I see like a panda rider something that's just really really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7987">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► and I think the reason is is because we've seen that there are watches you know regular traditional watches that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:22 ◼ ► when you have a really big watch that's a deliberate choice by that watch manufacturer that they want to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8002">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► large because we've seen small ones and they know they exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:32 ◼ ► Converse Lee We've never seen a really tiny smart watch or whatever we're calling these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8012">TS</a>]
02:13:38 ◼ ► and the Apple Watch appears to be big because it's out of necessity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8018">TS</a>]
02:13:44 ◼ ► and I think that's why it doesn't look in neatly good like a panorama a Rolex or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8024">TS</a>]
02:13:51 ◼ ► Well we've seen mock ups of smart watches that are small like the technology doesn't exist for us to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8031">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► But most of those mock ups don't have Arnie uses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:00 ◼ ► Well as apples because bottom line is you need some place like I've talked about it on the patches like if you made one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8040">TS</a>]
02:14:05 ◼ ► of those mock ups like how the hell would you deal with the screen is a just one like you just like those ones look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8045">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► the screen curves halfway around your wrist How would you how would you do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:15 ◼ ► and like move like that the dial as in like a physical thing that you can you know interact with the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8055">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► and manipulate what's on the screen without covering what's on a screen in a secure way where you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:27 ◼ ► accidentally start rotating the Watcher on your restraint like that that is an important feature like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8067">TS</a>]
02:14:32 ◼ ► Those are problems that they're solving not unlike ways that no longer thought of as many people might like the Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8072">TS</a>]
02:14:37 ◼ ► Berry had the various dials and the little balls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8077">TS</a>]
02:14:39 ◼ ► and stuff like that like this is well trod territory for small devices of how you interact with him without touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8079">TS</a>]
02:14:46 ◼ ► But Apple is the first one to just I think what's on the screen is just as important like the interface they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8086">TS</a>]
02:14:52 ◼ ► choosing to do the sort of minimal interface that doesn't look like anything like an i Phone interface it's entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8092">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► With entirely new controls an entirely new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8098">TS</a>]
02:14:59 ◼ ► and way of interacting with the know what stuff that is where it's obvious that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8099">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► and then the physical design of the little dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:07 ◼ ► and everything is where Apple has spent all its time because like some one A.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:10 ◼ ► News reporter asked him in one of these exclusive interviews like it's so hard making something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8110">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► when that a lot of people are going to have to use but people don't get to use it until you make it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:18 ◼ ► Unlike you dummy like using an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8118">TS</a>]
02:15:21 ◼ ► or god knows how many years that's all they do is use it just using it use it like crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8121">TS</a>]
02:15:26 ◼ ► Seriously you know how many protesters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8126">TS</a>]
02:15:28 ◼ ► and they're like that's all they do is use them they are not guessing the dial situation is going to work out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8128">TS</a>]
02:15:35 ◼ ► They've used it for like a year or two years God knows how long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8135">TS</a>]
02:15:37 ◼ ► And they threw away all the ones that didn't work and this is the best when they go you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8137">TS</a>]
02:15:41 ◼ ► So I have faith that they have made good decisions about this because it's not like they rushed this out to press that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8141">TS</a>]
02:15:47 ◼ ► to get into the smartphone market like some other smart watch market like some of the help I do I do have one concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8147">TS</a>]
02:15:53 ◼ ► about the law. I have an over concerns with one of my concerns or just me personally using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8153">TS</a>]
02:16:00 ◼ ► Point if I'm walking down the street or if I'm sitting in the subway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8160">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► or if I'm otherwise in public you can't know what technology I own unless I have it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:11 ◼ ► This is always out I don't know about that I think you have a we can't know technology only black T. Shirt jeans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8171">TS</a>]
02:16:20 ◼ ► You know you're not a stealth as you think you are right down to the rectangle worn into your pants pockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8180">TS</a>]
02:16:29 ◼ ► M five you just got out of how even though I get that I'm black so it's less conspicuous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8189">TS</a>]
02:16:34 ◼ ► Oh yeah hormonally let me write unvarying gets bigger his car was ridiculously huge wheels and enormous it melts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8194">TS</a>]
02:16:42 ◼ ► and yet you're totally right Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8202">TS</a>]
02:16:44 ◼ ► And additionally how often do you go walking down the street Manhattan just whistling and looking about when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8204">TS</a>]
02:16:49 ◼ ► when I walk around my home in next to Wayne Manor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8209">TS</a>]
02:16:52 ◼ ► and so my concern my concern is partially like you know being mugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8212">TS</a>]
02:17:00 ◼ ► and partially being a noxious like Will where I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8220">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► and I'm sure in time this will probably become less of an issue just like how you know like like I remember when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:10 ◼ ► when I first got my first disc man my my first portable CD player. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8230">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► My mom advised me not to like show it out any time because people would get mugged for their Discman. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:24 ◼ ► Same problem with any you know every portable The Tronics thing that became popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8244">TS</a>]
02:17:28 ◼ ► and that sort of learning was valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8248">TS</a>]
02:17:31 ◼ ► You know the New York City subway for years inviting people not to use the stock Apple white ear buds because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8251">TS</a>]
02:17:38 ◼ ► it that was a clear signal to anyone around you that you had an expensive Apple device in your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8258">TS</a>]
02:17:44 ◼ ► and they were telling you no leave in your party don't take it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8264">TS</a>]
02:17:48 ◼ ► and so I think you know this this is going to have similar issues is that we're like this is going to telegraph to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8268">TS</a>]
02:17:56 ◼ ► everybody not only do I have an i Phone in my pocket because there's only works of i Phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8276">TS</a>]
02:18:00 ◼ ► But but this thing itself is expensive and possibly made of gold and other things and silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8280">TS</a>]
02:18:06 ◼ ► and it's always out there I mean you know you can wear long sleeves even if they for the most part this is always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8286">TS</a>]
02:18:11 ◼ ► to be there and so it both screams mug me and it also screams I'm I'm a nerd. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8291">TS</a>]
02:18:19 ◼ ► At first and you know maybe over time that will get less so I hope it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8299">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► and I'm sure Apple hopes it does it only well if America was like these a smartphone in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:27 ◼ ► when you have an i Phone Now nobody cares you know but I thought I mean myself or motorist alike whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8307">TS</a>]
02:18:32 ◼ ► and don't worry about being robbed it's kind of silly because you know whenever you have nice things people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8312">TS</a>]
02:18:39 ◼ ► Robbery rates have been going down for years you'd be OK The embarrassment just among your peers of like being a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8319">TS</a>]
02:18:46 ◼ ► and like think of the first person to use a Bluetooth one of those you know Bluetooth headphone things talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8326">TS</a>]
02:18:51 ◼ ► cell phone when you're talking to yourself. People got over that and it still amazes me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8331">TS</a>]
02:18:54 ◼ ► I think people get over the watch if they saw a lot of them that's you just got to sell a lot of them now the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8334">TS</a>]
02:18:59 ◼ ► and I tweeted this as well during the thing of like Oh papa watch starts at three hundred fifty two sorry three hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8339">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► forty nine dollars I said that's great that's where Apple Watch starts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:08 ◼ ► Where does Apple Watch and that's a good question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8348">TS</a>]
02:19:11 ◼ ► and people people are continuing to talk to me as I put the price up I asked a question on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8351">TS</a>]
02:19:15 ◼ ► and today people are still talking about it so what do you guys think where what is the if you bought the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8355">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► expensive Apple Watch how much would it cost you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► So we're talking about the addition addition you soon that's giving us expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:28 ◼ ► but anyway just what's what's the number three. It starts at three fifty Where does it stop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8368">TS</a>]
02:19:33 ◼ ► I have a hard time seeing them going above a thousand for the watch itself I will see what the band you know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8373">TS</a>]
02:19:39 ◼ ► the band will be premium some of them will be more pedestrian reprice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8379">TS</a>]
02:19:44 ◼ ► I'm guessing if you get the edition edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8384">TS</a>]
02:19:48 ◼ ► and get like some kind of reasonable band for it I'm guessing you're spending over a thousand. Not by a whole lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8388">TS</a>]
02:19:53 ◼ ► Oh that's a question that we don't even know if the band is separate like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8393">TS</a>]
02:19:56 ◼ ► when they said it starts at three forty nine. I feel like if you're watching a band. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8396">TS</a>]
02:20:00 ◼ ► Right I would bet not but we'll see or maybe media gets like the really crappy like nylon band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8400">TS</a>]
02:20:05 ◼ ► or whatever than they do anything good you going to spend like another hundred bucks or whatever on the band. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8405">TS</a>]
02:20:09 ◼ ► Who knows we'll see it would not surprise me to see the gold ones cross a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8409">TS</a>]
02:20:15 ◼ ► but it would surprise me if he didn't go very far past it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8415">TS</a>]
02:20:18 ◼ ► OK I think I think we watch and band together you're going to look at between one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8418">TS</a>]
02:20:23 ◼ ► and two thousand for anything that Apple offers for the top and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8423">TS</a>]
02:20:27 ◼ ► when you mean that we're not talking about aftermarket obvious aren't going to buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8427">TS</a>]
02:20:31 ◼ ► but Diamond diamonds all over and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8431">TS</a>]
02:20:33 ◼ ► So on on Twitter Dr wave I was asking if I was going to be over a thousand I said got to be deaf. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8433">TS</a>]
02:20:40 ◼ ► Certainly over a thousand and that's a gimme. The question is how far above a thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8440">TS</a>]
02:20:44 ◼ ► The thing I don't know about is what kind of I don't know how much like just the cost of the gold on the gold ones it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8444">TS</a>]
02:20:52 ◼ ► like I don't do the math to figure out like the plating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8452">TS</a>]
02:20:54 ◼ ► and all the other stuff like just just getting down to brass tacks of like one of the parts here because once you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8454">TS</a>]
02:20:59 ◼ ► using precious metals before you consider mark up there's a minimal amount that is going to go so I really have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8459">TS</a>]
02:21:05 ◼ ► but I say definitely over a thousand or two thousand I think if you bought the best watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8465">TS</a>]
02:21:12 ◼ ► and all the bands you could break two thousand but one watch in one band. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8472">TS</a>]
02:21:17 ◼ ► I did not expect it to be over two thousand but I admit fully admit that I have no idea how much jewelry costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8477">TS</a>]
02:21:23 ◼ ► So and here's the thing it will get down to those like luxury items like jewelry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8483">TS</a>]
02:21:29 ◼ ► or not just really like you know fancy watches are not priced based on the materials put into them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8489">TS</a>]
02:21:34 ◼ ► That's a bit like when you pay thirty grand for a watch is not thirty grand worth of material or labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8494">TS</a>]
02:21:38 ◼ ► and that right the price is wholly disconnected from the parts the Labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8498">TS</a>]
02:21:42 ◼ ► or any other part of it is is just it is just the price has to do with it's not even Ferrari's a closer connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8502">TS</a>]
02:21:50 ◼ ► between the parts the labor and the price of them because they use expensive exotic materials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8510">TS</a>]
02:21:54 ◼ ► and a lot of labor to put them together. There is a closer connection between what is just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8514">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► Totally nonsensical I mean anything a fashion like that dress does not cost you know twenty thousand dollars just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:08 ◼ ► You're paying for something else and I do not feel like Apple is going to price any of its products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8528">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► nor has it really ever priced any of its products that disconnected from the parts and labor that go into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:19 ◼ ► They're going to have big margins sometimes the margins are ridiculous like they were on the twentieth anniversary mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8539">TS</a>]
02:22:24 ◼ ► or even a mac to a fax which is like like thirteen grand in today's money or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8544">TS</a>]
02:22:29 ◼ ► but maybe it's like you know what is the best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8549">TS</a>]
02:22:33 ◼ ► Put another way what is the margin that Apple would feel too embarrassed to put in its product two hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8553">TS</a>]
02:22:38 ◼ ► markup five hundred thousand I don't think they're going to go they're going to go much over two thousand dollars if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8558">TS</a>]
02:22:46 ◼ ► really they could sell the watch a thousand or fifteen hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8566">TS</a>]
02:22:50 ◼ ► and have like you know the best markings of any product ever sold for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8570">TS</a>]
02:22:55 ◼ ► but not the kind of margins like an a fifty grand relax I just don't see that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8575">TS</a>]
02:23:00 ◼ ► Yeah I'm I mean I think the addition addition like the gold that could that could be crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8580">TS</a>]
02:23:06 ◼ ► but OK So we already know the starting point three fifty even if we assume that's for only the small one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8586">TS</a>]
02:23:14 ◼ ► I'm guessing most people who own this thing probably aren't going over a total of five or six hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8594">TS</a>]
02:23:21 ◼ ► but I'm guessing that most of the one that actually gets sold are going to be in with a five hundred dollars total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8601">TS</a>]
02:23:27 ◼ ► Most people are probably not going to have multiple bands or multiple watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8607">TS</a>]
02:23:31 ◼ ► and I this is the kind of thing I would expect that you don't replace as often as you replace a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8611">TS</a>]
02:23:38 ◼ ► or even an i Pad I think the average selling price might be similar to the phone price not the phone that people pay a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8618">TS</a>]
02:23:43 ◼ ► price for like that with like the real play price of one of the part of the i Phone five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8623">TS</a>]
02:23:47 ◼ ► Is like six hundred seven hundred dollars Apple when they when they saw one of those. It's all external. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8627">TS</a>]
02:23:54 ◼ ► Yeah that seems about right for for that which is crazy to think about like Oh the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8634">TS</a>]
02:24:00 ◼ ► We're going to be cheaper like it seems like another product revenue wise if they sold as many of them as a Cell phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8640">TS</a>]
02:24:08 ◼ ► That's for the first generation kind of like how the first i Phone so that ridiculous price and came down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8648">TS</a>]
02:24:13 ◼ ► or whatever but I think you could be right about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8653">TS</a>]
02:24:16 ◼ ► So one thing I'm curious about is will there be different capacities. What do you mean capacities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8656">TS</a>]
02:24:21 ◼ ► Yes let's talk about the software side of those who live in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8661">TS</a>]
02:24:24 ◼ ► That's very interesting you know because I was a Kevin when she did the demo is that do I get the name right. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8664">TS</a>]
02:24:29 ◼ ► Adobe guy who is one of my guys from Adobe working on now you know he had said and I tried to get a verbatim quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8669">TS</a>]
02:24:37 ◼ ► but I may not be perfect than the music that stored right here on your Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8677">TS</a>]
02:24:43 ◼ ► When he was talking about playing music which implies to me that there is some amount of traditional style you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8683">TS</a>]
02:24:50 ◼ ► flash capacity and then that makes me wonder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8690">TS</a>]
02:24:53 ◼ ► Will there be like the i Phone in like the i Pad different tiers of capacities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8693">TS</a>]
02:24:58 ◼ ► Yeah I guess so the i Phone doesn't tell you how much RAM it then the i Watch to tell you how much flash the flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8698">TS</a>]
02:25:04 ◼ ► storage is adequate. What car makers that's roles as Nago even I knew that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8704">TS</a>]
02:25:10 ◼ ► Finally a reference all three of us and everyone gets it and no one in the audience got it. No not at all of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8710">TS</a>]
02:25:16 ◼ ► No I think you know we can we can we're going to learn more about this over the coming months presumably to an auction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8716">TS</a>]
02:25:22 ◼ ► I would I would guess probably January based on what they've said the way to describe how the software works some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8722">TS</a>]
02:25:28 ◼ ► the little wording they've used here and there in the you know that I've heard back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8728">TS</a>]
02:25:31 ◼ ► and everything else I think the most likely arrangement here is that the apps mostly run on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8731">TS</a>]
02:25:39 ◼ ► and the apps that were on the watch are extensions of phone apps. They're like the I was eight. Extensions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8739">TS</a>]
02:25:44 ◼ ► You know that's what the packaging detail like the bottom line is you transfer it transferring binary to the watch by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8744">TS</a>]
02:25:49 ◼ ► way of the phone by way of the App Store in a bundle they get on there they have to be stored somewhere and write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8749">TS</a>]
02:25:54 ◼ ► And if you want to like add or delete apps you probably do that from the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8754">TS</a>]
02:25:58 ◼ ► You know it's probably just like every other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8758">TS</a>]
02:26:00 ◼ ► I would say extension quick aside what did you think of the quote unquote spring board. I loved it I thought was great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8760">TS</a>]
02:26:06 ◼ ► It seems to me to be too easy to use in so far as all those taps are gets looked really small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8766">TS</a>]
02:26:14 ◼ ► Well that's why you have a little loony thing this is ground again I highly recommend doing the paper printout because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8774">TS</a>]
02:26:21 ◼ ► when you see this even on the biggest Even the big screen one quote big it is such a small area I think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8781">TS</a>]
02:26:28 ◼ ► be challenging and I think it's going to thing where we're not going to know how easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8788">TS</a>]
02:26:33 ◼ ► or hard it is until they actually try to use one because it's going to be very hard to predict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8793">TS</a>]
02:26:36 ◼ ► but that's why they do the magnifying effect like the whole I first saw it as I like the aesthetic that is the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8796">TS</a>]
02:26:42 ◼ ► circles the Nestle done to each other but they're never lose each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8802">TS</a>]
02:26:45 ◼ ► and the little ones that are in the outer gaps magnify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8805">TS</a>]
02:26:48 ◼ ► when they come towards the middle so it's kind of like they're trying to give you a big touch targets near the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8808">TS</a>]
02:26:52 ◼ ► of the thing and then you just sort of slide around until what you want to tap in the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8812">TS</a>]
02:26:56 ◼ ► and then as of the maximum size and yet does look small but you can use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8816">TS</a>]
02:27:00 ◼ ► but like I think most Well they're all trying to give you shortcuts the things you calmly decide button to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8820">TS</a>]
02:27:05 ◼ ► people's faces replying or you know if something comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8825">TS</a>]
02:27:08 ◼ ► and out of occasion you've got the dial to take what you want to do with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8828">TS</a>]
02:27:10 ◼ ► Any sort of dialogue if you want to call them that is between giant buttons take a third of the screen each so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8830">TS</a>]
02:27:16 ◼ ► think people are going to spend a lot of time trying to hunt and peck little dots on that home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8836">TS</a>]
02:27:20 ◼ ► I think obviously these are these are extensions they I'm sure they run natively on the watch like it's probably like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8840">TS</a>]
02:27:26 ◼ ► you know binary compiled for the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8846">TS</a>]
02:27:28 ◼ ► but it's using the sensor mechanism to communicate back with the phone was not a big extension Magnusson is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8848">TS</a>]
02:27:34 ◼ ► matter of packaging communicating back to the phone I think that's the question like because I have the shared data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8854">TS</a>]
02:27:39 ◼ ► containers and everything there is there's some weirdness going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8859">TS</a>]
02:27:41 ◼ ► but all that we can have a shared data can anyone they're running on a different device right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8861">TS</a>]
02:27:45 ◼ ► but so the you know that's the question I was I don't think you can do a handoff style open a stream between those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8865">TS</a>]
02:27:50 ◼ ► things I think I think the the phone has to be an island in the same way that the entire i Phone used to be an island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8870">TS</a>]
02:27:55 ◼ ► where it's like you don't get to do anything in the background. If you want to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8875">TS</a>]
02:28:00 ◼ ► Even with Bush you know because there's one person out of occasion service and we will dole out your things to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8880">TS</a>]
02:28:03 ◼ ► and I don't even like it's going to be incredible isolation like the number the number of interactions with the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8883">TS</a>]
02:28:10 ◼ ► and how long they last I expect to be severely constrained so yeah because battery life is going to be brutal so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8890">TS</a>]
02:28:16 ◼ ► cannot have like oh just like kind of you can just open up a stream have an Airstream between you two things just talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8896">TS</a>]
02:28:21 ◼ ► you'll destroy the watch battery that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8901">TS</a>]
02:28:24 ◼ ► So I expect some kind of regimented structured way that this is a straw through which you have to say this is how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8904">TS</a>]
02:28:30 ◼ ► times you get to sip to communicate with the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8910">TS</a>]
02:28:33 ◼ ► and then it will gradually open up just like you know background tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8913">TS</a>]
02:28:35 ◼ ► and everything out on the on demand of you know something I was wondering about as well is I could swear during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8915">TS</a>]
02:28:41 ◼ ► presentation there was a lot of talk of communicating via your phones why fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8921">TS</a>]
02:28:46 ◼ ► and maybe that was maybe I'm misconstruing that but I wonder if I don't remember the term but the thing on a macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8926">TS</a>]
02:28:54 ◼ ► or on a phone where you have two simultaneous connections going one to the quote unquote housewife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8934">TS</a>]
02:29:01 ◼ ► and one for like air drop. Perhaps the watch will use that for you know doing a burst data transfer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8941">TS</a>]
02:29:09 ◼ ► For bigger things like for example if it's uploading a binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8949">TS</a>]
02:29:12 ◼ ► or something like that I mean I would presume it uses Bluetooth low energy as much as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8952">TS</a>]
02:29:16 ◼ ► but perhaps does this like Air Play asks sort of dual wife I thing to transfer anything big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8956">TS</a>]
02:29:23 ◼ ► Oh yeah like I fully expect that if the watch only be communicating with your phone it will not be communicating with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8963">TS</a>]
02:29:29 ◼ ► your houses why fight even though the watch may have be wife I capable terms like radio frequency the stuff that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8969">TS</a>]
02:29:35 ◼ ► would totally do Arab style and talk to your phone and only then when it needs that bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8975">TS</a>]
02:29:40 ◼ ► and it can get by with Bluetooth sanity just said wife I was confirmed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8980">TS</a>]
02:29:44 ◼ ► Is there do we have sources saying to his wife I said at the last show where we talked about the little S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8984">TS</a>]
02:29:53 ◼ ► Card to the I five it goes into your camera and has you know and draws all its power from here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/8993">TS</a>]
02:30:00 ◼ ► If the card slot and yet as wife I don't toss your computer in areas like that like that they can get away with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9000">TS</a>]
02:30:05 ◼ ► Especially since I don't think like they're not going to give us a number for talk time on on even though you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9005">TS</a>]
02:30:13 ◼ ► They don't expect you to be going on three hour phone calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9013">TS</a>]
02:30:16 ◼ ► and I just play awkward all due respect like they expect you to fire off responses to attacks send messages to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9016">TS</a>]
02:30:22 ◼ ► do quick calls like that you know like I don't think they expected to be stained streaming audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9022">TS</a>]
02:30:28 ◼ ► and you know certainly not video at this point is not even a camera on the on the watch of a you know in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9028">TS</a>]
02:30:34 ◼ ► Right but all those things are not going to be good for battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9034">TS</a>]
02:30:38 ◼ ► and so it seems like the whole idea of the watch is you know sort of on the go pick up things looking at notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9038">TS</a>]
02:30:46 ◼ ► doing small things and I think that's necessary for battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9046">TS</a>]
02:30:49 ◼ ► and I guess we'll see it for convenience like does it feel weird to hold your wrist up can you actually sustain a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9049">TS</a>]
02:30:55 ◼ ► conversation by talking interested just that just never feel right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9055">TS</a>]
02:31:01 ◼ ► Also over time follow up it does indeed confirm to have wife I only B.G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9061">TS</a>]
02:31:05 ◼ ► Which is interesting but it does have life I go to the Apple press release when they don't need A C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9065">TS</a>]
02:31:10 ◼ ► So I got the rumour for the storage like a gig or something I know by the chat room that that's interesting. So that S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9070">TS</a>]
02:31:16 ◼ ► One thing which is what a great you know we've got a bunch of stuff in here it's all in case nothing for water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9076">TS</a>]
02:31:21 ◼ ► resistance or didn't call thing US one which we have no idea what's in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9081">TS</a>]
02:31:24 ◼ ► but you would assume first of all the also with an ARM chip. You know they didn't say right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9084">TS</a>]
02:31:30 ◼ ► Is it like an old Apple sort of like we took the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9090">TS</a>]
02:31:34 ◼ ► Core from the A four and did it twenty nanometers and put the thing in a press and also the little demos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9094">TS</a>]
02:31:40 ◼ ► There's obviously a powerful enough G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9100">TS</a>]
02:31:42 ◼ ► and Then do those particle facts and do them in a way that energy efficient because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9102">TS</a>]
02:31:46 ◼ ► when you drove little doodles they wipe away with a particle cyclic that's all Open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9106">TS</a>]
02:31:50 ◼ ► Stuff we're not open feels like metal right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9110">TS</a>]
02:31:52 ◼ ► So like they were saying things like those flourishes mean they feel like that it's OK to do power wise which means. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9112">TS</a>]
02:32:00 ◼ ► It doesn't just have a reasonable C.P.U. In there but it's got a G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9120">TS</a>]
02:32:03 ◼ ► That meets a minimum standard granted screen a super tiny doesn't need to push a lot of pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9123">TS</a>]
02:32:08 ◼ ► but that makes me really wonder what is inside that S one. If it's like a cut down G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9128">TS</a>]
02:32:13 ◼ ► For a minute for an i Phone four and a cut down C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9133">TS</a>]
02:32:16 ◼ ► Made it a smaller process this is an entirely new chip that had nothing to do with any Apple whatever chip it has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9136">TS</a>]
02:32:22 ◼ ► been made. I'm really curious about the architectural details of what they could show into a watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9142">TS</a>]
02:32:28 ◼ ► I think it's also worth thinking about like you know how how does that like you know the flash I mentioned about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9148">TS</a>]
02:32:35 ◼ ► know you can play music directly stored on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9155">TS</a>]
02:32:37 ◼ ► How much does it work without an i Phone So I'm guessing one of the reason that has wife eye is because that way it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9157">TS</a>]
02:32:45 ◼ ► work with hand off properly within your house like if it only has Bluetooth That means if your phone is more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9165">TS</a>]
02:32:53 ◼ ► hundred twenty feet away in most places it loses the connection so if your phone is like in your bag in Europe walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9173">TS</a>]
02:33:01 ◼ ► or your office somewhere in your phone back to your desk you know that's going to be a problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9181">TS</a>]
02:33:04 ◼ ► when you can hand off to your mac I would imagine right you can't do a mac with a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9184">TS</a>]
02:33:08 ◼ ► and hand off works as a combination of Bluetooth and why five. So that's why I'm guessing that's why handoff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9188">TS</a>]
02:33:14 ◼ ► That's why why why is there so and also like what do you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9194">TS</a>]
02:33:20 ◼ ► Like I'm I'm guessing that if you are totally gone from your i Phone Let's say you go on a jog around the neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9200">TS</a>]
02:33:27 ◼ ► you leave your i Phone or home with a watch on right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9207">TS</a>]
02:33:30 ◼ ► That's obviously a situation there considering that they're focusing so much on on fitness stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9210">TS</a>]
02:33:34 ◼ ► and I'm sure they know that not everybody brings their i Phone on a jog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9214">TS</a>]
02:33:39 ◼ ► So I'm guessing it can work in a limited mode totally disconnected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9219">TS</a>]
02:33:44 ◼ ► and it can probably it probably works like an i Pod where it can probably play a limited amount of music whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9224">TS</a>]
02:33:49 ◼ ► has stored on it that's why you can store music on it for exercise reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9229">TS</a>]
02:33:53 ◼ ► and you know as you're out you can basically become an i Pod Nano it with a watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9233">TS</a>]
02:33:58 ◼ ► Yeah and then and although there's no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9238">TS</a>]
02:34:00 ◼ ► You're only doing bluetooth headphones which is going to kill the battery but that's another story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9240">TS</a>]
02:34:05 ◼ ► But like that's that's it I'm guessing I'm guessing third party apps probably can't do anything in that mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9245">TS</a>]
02:34:11 ◼ ► or very little that they can do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9251">TS</a>]
02:34:13 ◼ ► and I mean what what what was even want to do is that you have don't have anything to get to the outside world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9253">TS</a>]
02:34:19 ◼ ► Maybe you could provide visualizations of information being picked up by the Emmys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9259">TS</a>]
02:34:23 ◼ ► or whatever the little you know something like something fitness related to make a better like a lap counter like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9263">TS</a>]
02:34:28 ◼ ► the type of things you might want to watch to do when you're on a run or something or walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9268">TS</a>]
02:34:32 ◼ ► or even just like a compass app can do G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9272">TS</a>]
02:34:34 ◼ ► Because it doesn't have I don't think you can do it doesn't that we know of as C.B.S.'s Emma doesn't just for power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9274">TS</a>]
02:34:40 ◼ ► reasons. They said they said in the keynote his says something like that I can use the G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9280">TS</a>]
02:34:46 ◼ ► From your i Phone which I'm pretty sure is pretty clearly saying it doesn't have its own G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9286">TS</a>]
02:34:51 ◼ ► and We're going to have to wait many more years before they can jam more crap and do your but I assume you know it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9291">TS</a>]
02:34:55 ◼ ► If we go five years in the future this thing might actually have G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9295">TS</a>]
02:34:58 ◼ ► and I actually have a camera might be center like we're going to wait for technology to catch up for them to stick more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9298">TS</a>]
02:35:04 ◼ ► of the stuff in there but for now this is definitely you know and they snuck it in early and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9304">TS</a>]
02:35:09 ◼ ► and then more later this needs to go with your i Phone which I think is fine for this product in the beginning because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9309">TS</a>]
02:35:15 ◼ ► who's going to buy a really expensive heavy smartwatch they probably already have a funny way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9315">TS</a>]
02:35:21 ◼ ► and it's a thing like if this does take off as a fashion item that's going to drive i Phone sales figures are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9321">TS</a>]
02:35:28 ◼ ► be some people out there who have an Android phone who see this and this. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9328">TS</a>]
02:35:32 ◼ ► And intil in unless there can be an android equivalent to this like I know the tons of Android smart watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9332">TS</a>]
02:35:38 ◼ ► but I don't think any of them executed fashion wise to the caliber that this thing appears to be so if someone wants it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9338">TS</a>]
02:35:45 ◼ ► as a fashion accessory they don't actually have a good Android based alternative that I think lives up to the fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9345">TS</a>]
02:35:52 ◼ ► standard set by this phone in terms of fit and finish and probably cache because of the popularity of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9352">TS</a>]
02:35:57 ◼ ► and everything and I think also it would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9357">TS</a>]
02:36:00 ◼ ► I think they would probably be unlikely to see something like this from the Android camp any time soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9360">TS</a>]
02:36:05 ◼ ► Well I'm sure we'll have some sort of awful knock off really quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9365">TS</a>]
02:36:08 ◼ ► Well I'm saying it's unlikely that we're going to see anyone else besides Apple make one that is this desirable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9368">TS</a>]
02:36:18 ◼ ► Like most people are not going to like oh I can't wait to get my you know to wrap one of the new Motorola whatevers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9378">TS</a>]
02:36:25 ◼ ► Well Samsung will make one look that looks exactly identical so that going for one thing also if you if you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9385">TS</a>]
02:36:31 ◼ ► reading some of the tweets from from people who know more about manufacturing than we do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9391">TS</a>]
02:36:36 ◼ ► Some of the really basic traits of this are just really hard to manufacture like Apple can do it because they are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9396">TS</a>]
02:36:43 ◼ ► They have such advanced manufacturing techniques and so much power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9403">TS</a>]
02:36:46 ◼ ► and margin to use them whereas Not everybody has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9406">TS</a>]
02:36:50 ◼ ► and like somebody was saying like even just like the design of the of the Crown it requires some insane waves to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9410">TS</a>]
02:36:58 ◼ ► you know the little things and make everything right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9418">TS</a>]
02:37:01 ◼ ► and even like the design of of like the latches the latch on to the band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9421">TS</a>]
02:37:04 ◼ ► and how like even those are hard to make in that specific shape and with that kind of precision everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9424">TS</a>]
02:37:10 ◼ ► Regular people don't make those affections though like the not the Samsung phones are not made in the same sentence Our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9430">TS</a>]
02:37:16 ◼ ► phones are the most evil of those but that's high and watch and certainly well but I don't know I really don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9436">TS</a>]
02:37:21 ◼ ► This watch will be reacted by and watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9441">TS</a>]
02:37:23 ◼ ► and yes I haven't read that article it's been going around today about the I know I should talk about Apple Watch just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9443">TS</a>]
02:37:28 ◼ ► haven't gotten around to it will but it will put in the show notes so you guys can redeem him before I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9448">TS</a>]
02:37:33 ◼ ► So we should probably try to wrap this sometime before Friday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9453">TS</a>]
02:37:39 ◼ ► One of the things I wanted to quickly touch on is the kind of interactive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9459">TS</a>]
02:37:44 ◼ ► and what are they intimate was the word they used which And about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9464">TS</a>]
02:37:48 ◼ ► but the interactive bits that you can do with the watch so when you can like draw a little doodles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9468">TS</a>]
02:37:53 ◼ ► and you can do the heart beat thing which I think that's more creepy than not but I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9473">TS</a>]
02:38:02 ◼ ► but what I just noticed I don't recall them saying during the keynote is that this is a full on Dick Tracy watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9482">TS</a>]
02:38:10 ◼ ► because it has a walkie talkie on it and I'm reading from Apple's web site for a fun alternative to a phone call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9490">TS</a>]
02:38:15 ◼ ► Use the built in speaker microphone to trade spur of the moment sound bites with friends I want to really is a walkie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9495">TS</a>]
02:38:22 ◼ ► talkie like again getting back to Margot saying no phone take all the phones out to people what I watch is going to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9502">TS</a>]
02:38:26 ◼ ► walkie talkie with Apple Watch a psych and a walking talking to each other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9506">TS</a>]
02:38:30 ◼ ► I can imagine that being the case because they can do ad hoc wife I'm between their watches or something I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9510">TS</a>]
02:38:36 ◼ ► Wells airdrop the bet is that anyway that's like that was the throwing stuff against the wall part of the of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9516">TS</a>]
02:38:45 ◼ ► keynote that I go at it does this and it does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9525">TS</a>]
02:38:47 ◼ ► and who knows maybe things will be useful a lot as you know try to see their use was hampered by the fact they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9527">TS</a>]
02:38:54 ◼ ► be tied to the far end of the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9534">TS</a>]
02:38:55 ◼ ► or own it as user to text the person because you're not doing text input on the you know they're watching everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9535">TS</a>]
02:39:01 ◼ ► it will say here's a really basic question this thing is supposedly water resistant right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9541">TS</a>]
02:39:07 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I would assume a mass market watch has to be somewhat ors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9547">TS</a>]
02:39:10 ◼ ► and so you can like you know if you're like washing the dishes and get splashed splits blast resistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9550">TS</a>]
02:39:17 ◼ ► and the general sealed nature of this thing looks like it is right where you would expect a fancy watch to be in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9557">TS</a>]
02:39:26 ◼ ► it's like OK it's not a waterproof watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9566">TS</a>]
02:39:28 ◼ ► but we'll do our best to keep water out of the thing to go back to the experience of the digital crown seemed like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9568">TS</a>]
02:39:35 ◼ ► clever idea to solve this problem which we talked about a little bit earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9575">TS</a>]
02:39:38 ◼ ► What didn't make sense to me having never touched one one it's why I use the home button pressing the crown it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9578">TS</a>]
02:39:46 ◼ ► me to be much more logical that pressing the crown is like OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9586">TS</a>]
02:39:50 ◼ ► and pressing that big huge button below the crown is the home bottom of the leg mutant rotation lock all over again I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9590">TS</a>]
02:39:58 ◼ ► sure have all can and will change is not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9598">TS</a>]
02:40:00 ◼ ► Like the thing that baffles me is that much about the ground is like that would have been a logical place to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9600">TS</a>]
02:40:04 ◼ ► cram Touch ID but I guess it's too small for your not such idea on this well but it's never leaving your person ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9604">TS</a>]
02:40:11 ◼ ► In theory I know like if you're going to pay with it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9611">TS</a>]
02:40:13 ◼ ► when you pay with the phone you have to touch idea of Medicaid but when you pay with a watch you don't I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9613">TS</a>]
02:40:18 ◼ ► Yes Somebody was saying how like it'll use the skin sensor on the bottom to like see if it still taxed you or never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9618">TS</a>]
02:40:24 ◼ ► but I that sound that that might change will see if I could be stupid and now that I had occasion works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9624">TS</a>]
02:40:29 ◼ ► and it's kind of like they could take it off your wrist it's replaced a little I was going to do it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9629">TS</a>]
02:40:36 ◼ ► and others in any way mean those movies I think you know there are places that I don't with a sandbag like oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9636">TS</a>]
02:40:42 ◼ ► but you gotta take the wrist the watch out the recipe you have to make it think itself against skin or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9642">TS</a>]
02:40:47 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I thought it was interesting too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9647">TS</a>]
02:40:49 ◼ ► Casey I think your point is very valid about how I think clicking the wheel should be OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9649">TS</a>]
02:40:55 ◼ ► and I think you know they they only have two buttons on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9655">TS</a>]
02:40:58 ◼ ► and on his watch so you know obviously these this is an extreme premium similar to the I thought like there are only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9658">TS</a>]
02:41:03 ◼ ► two buttons I think it's interesting that the second button rather than being home the second button is like bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9663">TS</a>]
02:41:11 ◼ ► your list of friends like that it shows you where their focus is their focus is on making this a very social device as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9671">TS</a>]
02:41:19 ◼ ► opposed to show me more indications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9679">TS</a>]
02:41:22 ◼ ► or you know go launch threes like this this is very much like this is meant to be a very social device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9682">TS</a>]
02:41:30 ◼ ► and honestly want one where that I was little bit leaders like I'm probably only going to have my wife on that list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9690">TS</a>]
02:41:37 ◼ ► First of all I don't think I want to see anyone else's heart beat really leave a solitary life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9697">TS</a>]
02:41:42 ◼ ► but other people who are going amongst like I think I think of a teenager was got all their friends are going to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9702">TS</a>]
02:41:47 ◼ ► their right if you have teenagers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9707">TS</a>]
02:41:49 ◼ ► Rich teenagers sign Yeah you know like their friends are going to hate them for having an i was interesting it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9709">TS</a>]
02:41:54 ◼ ► interesting with the social aspect of it because I agree that something you want to use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9714">TS</a>]
02:41:57 ◼ ► but there's no text input and so that's why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9717">TS</a>]
02:42:00 ◼ ► They have like the animated the Moji in the little drawings they want you to use this thing to sort of quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9720">TS</a>]
02:42:04 ◼ ► communicate with people at the tapping and all that other stuff they want you to use it for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9724">TS</a>]
02:42:08 ◼ ► but they know how much people love texting it's like well you can text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9728">TS</a>]
02:42:10 ◼ ► and that's we're not going to throw up a little keyboard you can you can probably do you can do dictation you can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9730">TS</a>]
02:42:16 ◼ ► But what can you do without doing is the well you can draw little pictures which I think is clever you can do a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9736">TS</a>]
02:42:21 ◼ ► tapping the little animated M O G is like fun like they're trying to say we want you to communicate in ways other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9741">TS</a>]
02:42:29 ◼ ► typing to each other and thus far the world has said we want to text each other like crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9749">TS</a>]
02:42:33 ◼ ► So this will be an interesting challenge to see if they can convince the world to use these alternate means of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9753">TS</a>]
02:42:39 ◼ ► communication for more than just hey I just got an I watch us play with all these novelty things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9759">TS</a>]
02:42:43 ◼ ► and get bored of it you know the first thing I thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9763">TS</a>]
02:42:46 ◼ ► when I saw the like Cap feature so you can just like tap on it and you know you can do it many times in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9766">TS</a>]
02:42:56 ◼ ► and you know inventing your own little language as I say of the you know apathy Twitter the it open because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9776">TS</a>]
02:43:02 ◼ ► basically like it is like you want to what is tapping to like you just want to get someone's attention like Hey Hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9782">TS</a>]
02:43:08 ◼ ► and you a little tap on the wrist right in the journey things like Committee came a lot of people said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9788">TS</a>]
02:43:13 ◼ ► but that the key of the glisten journey is that you don't get to pick what yours is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9793">TS</a>]
02:43:18 ◼ ► Whereas with a little the little drawing pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9798">TS</a>]
02:43:20 ◼ ► and making little you know language within each other as many many people including me tweeted this is an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9800">TS</a>]
02:43:26 ◼ ► for them to let a million rudimentary drawings of penises Bloom because that's all people are going to draw on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9806">TS</a>]
02:43:32 ◼ ► thing and send each other little tiny terrible phalluses ledger with their finger on their phone on their watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9812">TS</a>]
02:43:39 ◼ ► I wonder maybe we can bring back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9819">TS</a>]
02:43:42 ◼ ► Oh that's interesting I didn't bring up like I just totally did not want you to do text input on this thing unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9822">TS</a>]
02:43:48 ◼ ► you're talking to Syria like that that they do not want you to draw letters they don't want you to type letters like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9828">TS</a>]
02:43:53 ◼ ► how would you feel about manipulating a little three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9833">TS</a>]
02:43:55 ◼ ► Happy face and sending out a something about a hand that you composed. No will make a middle finger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9835">TS</a>]
02:44:01 ◼ ► Maybe a third party Apple do that for you by the way I did see somebody with a square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9841">TS</a>]
02:44:06 ◼ ► or rectangular shaped Android watch just a few weeks ago trying to type out like a text message on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9846">TS</a>]
02:44:11 ◼ ► and it looked absolutely ridiculous. It's not good. Anything else on the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9851">TS</a>]
02:44:17 ◼ ► Little I mean I think we should say for next week questions such as Why is a good question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9857">TS</a>]
02:44:26 ◼ ► That's why so it is written so let it be Di Maio like what are they going to like you guys you don't know if you got no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9866">TS</a>]
02:44:34 ◼ ► and you knew that before even asked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9874">TS</a>]
02:44:36 ◼ ► All right thanks a lot who are three sponsors this week for they probably don't even look at the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9876">TS</a>]
02:44:42 ◼ ► Thanks for the response of this week. However Warby Parker and Squarespace and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9882">TS</a>]
02:44:52 ◼ ► Now on this show is over and then me to be and it was accidental accidental with accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9892">TS</a>]
02:45:13 ◼ ► and you are now sitting on the thing that sets the desk a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9913">TS</a>]
02:45:28 ◼ ► and that said I think people listening to this will be disappointed that you didn't try to make me feel bad about not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9928">TS</a>]
02:45:56 ◼ ► going but I think you both correctly understood that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9956">TS</a>]
02:46:00 ◼ ► Nothing that happened during this event changes any of the things they went into me not going well though I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9960">TS</a>]
02:46:06 ◼ ► when that stream kept cutting the T.V. Were like Syracuse was kicking him kicking himself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9966">TS</a>]
02:46:12 ◼ ► No we didn't have to say anything because the Internet was attacking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9972">TS</a>]
02:46:16 ◼ ► and it was a noble like say first of all I guess that I didn't. I always had one strain that was working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9976">TS</a>]
02:46:23 ◼ ► Which is kind of disappointing but it totally even done by the time the lodge got there so the streaming wasn't fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9983">TS</a>]
02:46:28 ◼ ► and I can tell you that what I feel after the event was over relief that I didn't now not fly home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9988">TS</a>]
02:46:36 ◼ ► You could've had like the hands on area you could tell us more about the law. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9996">TS</a>]
02:46:39 ◼ ► Now like I totally I am totally not disappointed I'm not to the point of it any good to see you too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/9999">TS</a>]
02:46:44 ◼ ► I don't really care. Like it's just everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10004">TS</a>]
02:46:46 ◼ ► I mean I'm disappointed disappointed they didn't get to see my friends who went to the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10006">TS</a>]
02:46:51 ◼ ► but you know I totally do not regret my decision I made the right one. Pretty much I was nothing they could have done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10011">TS</a>]
02:46:58 ◼ ► Here's what they could have done if they gave every one into macro I would have regretted not fest was dead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10018">TS</a>]
02:47:03 ◼ ► No I would not have regretted not being there for those I like unless there's something I could have gotten by being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10023">TS</a>]
02:47:08 ◼ ► Whether you know it's an experience or like an actual thing or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10028">TS</a>]
02:47:12 ◼ ► and the looking of the i Watch as a haiku for a fifth time I've said it I started out looking at the avalanches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10032">TS</a>]
02:47:18 ◼ ► and everything will seem eventually I'm not like it's not like this is exactly what I thought the event was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10038">TS</a>]
02:47:23 ◼ ► new i Phones and the watch and I guess the payment stuff you know it's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10043">TS</a>]
02:47:28 ◼ ► The best thing was when when YOU TO comes out because don't you like you two a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10048">TS</a>]
02:47:32 ◼ ► but not like I mean only the earlier stuff like I used to I used to follow them a lot more than I do now they're kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10052">TS</a>]
02:47:42 ◼ ► of an aging band the musical style that I'm doing lately is not particularly to my tastes in there in the grand scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10062">TS</a>]
02:47:49 ◼ ► of things. I was glad I got the Amber Frey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10069">TS</a>]
02:47:52 ◼ ► I mean I probably would've bought that album Anywhere I still buy the albums when they come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10072">TS</a>]
02:47:55 ◼ ► but I think you are better off like anybody who likes you too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10075">TS</a>]
02:48:00 ◼ ► When they first started playing I was like oh man Syracuse is going to hit that he missed this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10080">TS</a>]
02:48:05 ◼ ► Then after they played and they were still on stage and Tim Cook comes back out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10085">TS</a>]
02:48:08 ◼ ► and does that horribly awkward skit with them all was so bad I think anybody who likes either you two or Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10088">TS</a>]
02:48:18 ◼ ► or anything good in the world is better off not having seen the I think bonded pretty well considering this is not his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10098">TS</a>]
02:48:24 ◼ ► Like he doesn't know how to a company like these they have to say we're going to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10104">TS</a>]
02:48:29 ◼ ► and like you know Tim Cook was more embarrassing because like he seems a little silly and star struck and red faced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10109">TS</a>]
02:48:35 ◼ ► and flustered and it's like well in the finger touch was just the icing on the key awkward case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10115">TS</a>]
02:48:42 ◼ ► I went when I really watched the thing I did not watch that part again because it's not it's a little bit available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10122">TS</a>]
02:48:47 ◼ ► and everyone everyone who was there said you two was way too loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10127">TS</a>]
02:48:50 ◼ ► So we actually had the experience of that not being there either I don't like that song they played. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10130">TS</a>]
02:48:55 ◼ ► Yeah I think I want to treat it like most Apple events where they have a closing band where where the music is the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10135">TS</a>]
02:49:02 ◼ ► That's like like that's like usually when the when the Muse will get started playing all the live blog stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10142">TS</a>]
02:49:07 ◼ ► and I say Right that's it. We'll see you later. Nothing's going to happen after this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10147">TS</a>]
02:49:11 ◼ ► You too even though I was if you two isn't like the press area afterwards mingling I could've hung out with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10151">TS</a>]
02:49:17 ◼ ► but really is I think of happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10157">TS</a>]
02:49:18 ◼ ► So to me if you if you could if you saw you know the edge but he saw the light and you go like Buckhead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10158">TS</a>]
02:49:33 ◼ ► Yeah what would you what would you ask in a setting like that like do you have a prepared question you can't like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTAUDwc/10173">TS</a>]