The Accidental Tech Podcast

86: Moving the Party to the Bar Down the Block


  They can avoid it. Now you can have you can have your minutes in the sun here. How can I even know what this is about. [TS]

  Neither do I know. [TS]

  Neither one of you remember back in the day when I used to do an after net broadcast when we went live. [TS]

  You don't do that anymore do you. Now I'm done and while I don't even post the show links to happen anymore right. [TS]

  Well with that in mind do you want to ask me how many people were complaining about me not doing up to now broadcast [TS]

  anymore. [TS]

  You know actually it would not surprise me if there were one [TS]

  or two people who did because it seemed like the kind of person who ever received an apt broadcast probably feels [TS]

  entitled to keep receiving after night broadcasts. Actually no it's my recollection not a single soul said anything. [TS]

  Sorry that's the truth and also an equally explainable trying to test. Well that's too bad. [TS]

  Hey now we're all using Hello. [TS]

  Oh yeah the thing I logged into once yeah I logged in ones I followed everywhere anyone I could find define using [TS]

  Fairport we have it we have accounts I don't I think I did post on Tyre a poster reply to someone some in some areas [TS]

  and I replied but I don't know what's going on on that side and all that is one of my username and I didn't get that. [TS]

  I got sort of pretty well I got my username couldn't get Marc Of course [TS]

  but I got my I got my current at least I got my username and found some people to follow and my current well [TS]

  and now what I've followed some people want to follow and what do I put here [TS]

  and you can you can do the kind of leverage media it's kind of like having between Twitter [TS]

  and Tumblr you can do kind of a rich media thing [TS]

  or combined thing it is doesn't seem to be any kind of reasonable post limiter in it like that [TS]

  but it's like I don't really know what to put there because I use Twitter. [TS]

  I hang out on Twitter the people I talk to are on Twitter it's exact same problem I have that are not even at the [TS]

  beginning. [TS]

  Which is which was not it wasn't that nobody was there because a lot of people were there [TS]

  and I was the same thing L.O.L. Lots of people are on L.-O. Officially. [TS]

  But the question is like when I have a thought that I want to post or when I have a question I want to ask. [TS]

  Where do I put it. [TS]

  If you put it on both then it's kind of awkward for people who follow you in both places the kind of annoying. [TS]

  And if you're only going to put on one place chances are Twitter is the better place for it for most purposes it [TS]

  doesn't really solve the problem of how do you split yourself between these two services like if Elo had come out [TS]

  when Twitter was pissing us all off [TS]

  and after that came out it would have had a better chance after Net was a decent idea at the right time for the most [TS]

  part that was not executed that well. [TS]

  And then you know the motivation for it kind of faded away because Twitter like is always going to be shifting in [TS]

  directions that we don't like. You know Twitter Twitters moves are going to be like the kids these days. [TS]

  For us it's good like what they're going to just keep doing things that push it in a direction because you know [TS]

  basically Facebook and Twitter both extremely envy the other and in ways that make both products [TS]

  and desist substantially worse [TS]

  and so I think you know if Twitter is going to keep adopting like the worse things about Facebook Twitter is going to [TS]

  do it in a way it's going to be like the bull in the frog thing like they're going to do like little things here [TS]

  and there on the way it's not going to be like one massive change. [TS]

  It's going to make all of us run fleeing I think five years from now what Twitter is would be nearly unrecognizable to [TS]

  us today. [TS]

  But it's going to be done that way over you know in a gradual way it can be done over that span so that we slowly won't [TS]

  notice that we're being boiled. [TS]

  And so there's never going to be this one event that kicks all of us off or drives us all to go. Sway. [TS]

  It's just something else to go like we're all going to leave at once the whole party is moving over to the bar down the [TS]

  block like there's not going to be like one event that pushes us all and you know [TS]

  and if you are the bar down the block at that point you know you could benefit hugely from that. [TS]

  But that probably won't happen [TS]

  and chances are you're going to lose a bunch of people on the one the way to other things like [TS]

  when Napster was shut down everyone didn't just go to one thing. [TS]

  There was like five different things you know there's always happens whenever any kind of like community major social [TS]

  site like when when something goes away the people kind of scatter and fragments over different places. [TS]

  So as long as we want to keep talking to the people that we're talking to on Twitter we're going to be keeping using [TS]

  Twitter for that and know the service and the chants you know like [TS]

  when you take copyrighted material like they call the you know piracy or whatever [TS]

  but it's not really theft in the digital realm because [TS]

  when you download an item the person who gave it to you STILL HAS IT LIKE IT'S NOT displacement in a digital bit they [TS]

  copied everything so right like it's a different type. [TS]

  Well in social networking I think the phenomenon of the yellow You know you your knowledge of what's all the some of [TS]

  the party to the bar down the block when anything like L.L. [TS]

  Comes along even though we're not we have the baseline dissatisfaction with Twitter that's kind of always simmering [TS]

  there. We don't all leave Twitter but we do is we all go to the bar down the block. But we also stay in Twitter. [TS]

  So it's like you know it's like when you take a digital bits or whatever the original person still has [TS]

  and we're still on Twitter but we're also we all run over to Ella and then we get there [TS]

  and it's like this empty white room and it's kind of boring and we try to get a username and Emily [TS]

  but we never left Twitter so it's like the digital equivalent of a call to the bar and we all do. [TS]

  I think every time something new comes up like well it's kind of like Twitter [TS]

  but not Twitter someone asked me on Twitter right now what is it what is it that is supposed to be appealing about [TS]

  yellow I said it's kind of like Twitter. But not Twitter. [TS]

  That's the appeal of all these things I would love something that's kind of like Twitter [TS]

  but isn't Twitter just sort of pisses me off and pay the X. Y. and Z. [TS]

  And so we all think whatever we do for ourselves [TS]

  and we go over to not only go over to a maybe that that is well go over to L O or net [TS]

  or whatever because it looks if you squint it looks kind of like Twitter and we all don't like Twitter [TS]

  and maybe this will be the next when we get there [TS]

  and it's like you know I mean you write it like if there was a big event that actually kicked us out physically [TS]

  speaking so we couldn't we had to leave Twitter. [TS]

  But even then even if we got all pesky little keep our Twitter account to keep using it [TS]

  and we're going to keep using it until something else is out there that makes us want to move to it [TS]

  and do stuff there instead. [TS]

  I don't think we're ever ever going to be a time where we leave Twitter [TS]

  and start using something else in one fell swoop. [TS]

  Yeah you know we're always going to stay on Twitter [TS]

  and be they'll be some kind of transition because we just never make it over the hump during the transition [TS]

  and after that we got pretty far. [TS]

  There was conversations happening there that a lot of people that we knew it just you know we also still stayed on [TS]

  Twitter. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and Ellen also has the problems of like they seem to get really popular really quickly before they were quite ready for [TS]

  it. Not in a scaling way I mean I don't know if they had challenges their Twitter to do so. [TS]

  Well that's true but but in the way that they like they don't have a mobile app. [TS]

  Their web app is just barely functional. [TS]

  Yeah they don't have any apps that's one of the reasons I'm not using it at all where is the app for my mac Where is [TS]

  the app for my i Pod It's like well I don't I'm not going to that Web site I mean that's like if you if you are [TS]

  launching any kind of like social product today [TS]

  and you don't have at least an i Phone app you're dead in the water like that. [TS]

  That's where people go like launching in the web browser might seem like a good idea to some web nerds [TS]

  but the fact is the web browser is no longer the preeminent platform for this sort of thing the i Phone app is [TS]

  and it's the work of the Web browser the works for a like if you're whole if you're going to be anything like. [TS]

  First whole thing is a text box that holds a small amount text in a button [TS]

  and then underneath it a big list of other blurbs of texts like it's doing that in a web page is not optimal it's [TS]

  practically designed for mobile like it's it is the mobile Facebook like get rid of everything today one text field in [TS]

  a box and you put some words in there not a lot of them and you press a button [TS]

  and then you scroll through this big giant table you like Twitter is made for. [TS]

  Well yeah that's true but you're saying that you wouldn't want to go to the Web site but don't you use the G. [TS]

  Mail web interface rather than like mail or airmail the G. Mail is massive. [TS]

  Emails are not one hundred forty characters they're organized in complicated ways not just a big linear timeline they [TS]

  require actions and filing and replies like that email is not Twitter No it's not Twitter [TS]

  but I don't want to struck me odd that you immediately you know snow on the Web site and it's all [TS]

  and it's also because like you want to [TS]

  and you want to dedicated to a place to do this thing I ever than I I saw because they could take some of the screen [TS]

  or whatever [TS]

  but on the mac I don't want to dedicated entire browser tab to never mandatory Web site is just not nice these days [TS]

  and well I don't like it anyway so it will do what it never was nice I mean let's be honest it was nice there like it [TS]

  was like all the things you're talking about Twitter doing that we don't like a lot of the manifest in the web site [TS]

  with the crazy lines between post trying to show that I guess just I just want a big linear time ordered stream [TS]

  and that's that's when you get I was divisive that's what I get in my little back up that I used and everything's good. [TS]

  Yeah and L.O.L. [TS]

  Like their business model their appeal I think the reason why people are actually using it is because it's a new thing [TS]

  that's kind of like Twitter and everyone wants to establish their username there. [TS]

  We put a whole bunch and so anyone actually using it because I'm not trying to like you know be funny or anything. [TS]

  I've seen two or three posts on Elo that have been linked probably on Twitter and that's about it and I walked into it. [TS]

  Like we were saying earlier wants to grab my username and like set the bare minimum of profile information [TS]

  and I literally have not logged in sense. [TS]

  Yeah I'm the exact same way I left email notifications on so just in case some people are trying to contact me you know [TS]

  that email about and that happened once and I replied but that's it. [TS]

  Yeah that's [TS]

  and that's I think the best hope of drawing people in is like you know those notifications are on by default [TS]

  but you know and you know their whole their whole appeal is supposed to be that they're never going to have ads right. [TS]

  That's that's what they're saying we're never going to have ADD You know we're going to somehow fund ourself through [TS]

  basically like donations and Kickstarter like things from like that I don't know the details [TS]

  but I don't see that working and they have V.C. Funded or not they may say whatever they say but in reality there V.C. [TS]

  Funded right and the thing is like a company can say whatever it wants at the beginning and you can you can say [TS]

  and you can meet I'm not saying they're planning on lying to us [TS]

  or that they're planning on changing direction later I'm not saying that the people today can can think and say [TS]

  and do whatever they want but the fact is this can always change in the future at any time in the future. [TS]

  Maybe the founders aren't aren't there anymore maybe someone else takes over the company. [TS]

  L O if it even started to take off we would not really be getting anywhere. [TS]

  Compared to where we are on Twitter because Twitter is a lot of great things [TS]

  but its main downsides for like the good of society basically its main downsides are that it's centralized [TS]

  and secondarily it used to have a lot of big scaling problems of those really mostly a thing of the past now. [TS]

  Now if we go to L O L It will have the exact same scaling challenges if it actually gets enough people in [TS]

  and of usage to be viable. [TS]

  They're going to face all the same things we're going to start from start start again from zero to get in from like two [TS]

  thousand five hundred then at the end if they if they actually manage to have a big mass of people using it. [TS]

  And it can replace Twitter for us. [TS]

  We still have one centralized company controlling this medium and Twitter has shown this really is its own medium. [TS]

  But it's unfortunately medium tied to its network and you know as you saw like with tent [TS]

  or whatever the whatever it's called [TS]

  and they rename it over that is cupcake you know that it OK I think it's OK whatever that whatever that is or was. [TS]

  Decentralizing this is hard it's a hard problem but ello is not solving that problem neither was apt. [TS]

  NET these these companies they're starting just like a new Twitter it's [TS]

  and it's going to have in the best case scenario if they if they succeed [TS]

  and actually make these things it's going to go through all the same challenges Twitter has gone through with scaling [TS]

  and growing the community and moderation or lack thereof and spam [TS]

  and abuse all those there's those are all going to hit it [TS]

  and at the end we're still going to have this one centralized company that controls all of this [TS]

  and what if that company A.O.L. [TS]

  Oh seem like they're nice and customer friendly now but started Twitter when they started and that was a long time ago. [TS]

  Most of those people have moved on and it's a very different company with very different needs [TS]

  and different stakeholders now and a different controlling party really [TS]

  and so that that can happen to any company like this. [TS]

  What we need to be designing is an alternative that can satisfy the roles the Twitter service for us [TS]

  but in a way that is a decentralized protocol a standard is not one central server that does all this work that is [TS]

  owned by a private company is a protocol like email or D.M.'s like that's what we need. You know whether it's R.S.S. [TS]

  Based I don't really care about imitation details. Dave Winer can have his R.S.S. World if you want. [TS]

  That's fine I don't care how it works but that's the kind of thing we need [TS]

  and I know I know people are saying people in terror tell me I know that's what tent slash cupcake. [TS]

  Was or is it didn't take off and maybe it's because it was at the same time it out at night [TS]

  and so it was like it was too competitive I don't know. And there are a lot of problems. [TS]

  There's a lot of challenges in developing that sort of thing with especially with things like identity [TS]

  and discover ability of other people on the network. [TS]

  But that's that is the kind of solution we need to the Twitter being kind of a problem. [TS]

  It's not to say to build another company up to this point it's to eliminate the need for these companies for this [TS]

  medium. [TS]

  I just don't see how we're going to get there [TS]

  and I say that because Twitter's really good at grabbing all walks of life. [TS]

  It started with the super nerds and then it's ending it's ended it's carrying on through you know superstars. [TS]

  And I'm not trying to say that that like popular musicians are popular actors or what [TS]

  or whatever are not intelligent but they value very different things than the nerds do [TS]

  and it's taken a very a series of very specific decisions by Twitter the company in order to make Twitter the product [TS]

  to be something that appeals kind of to everyone and yes Leon the nerds like me and you [TS]

  and we all grumble about things that they do but in the end of the day as he said before this is the popular bar [TS]

  and what's weird about Twitter is it's a very I can think of better word than democratic [TS]

  or unifying perhaps everyone is kind of sort of on the same page on Twitter Yeah you know I may have more [TS]

  or less followers and other people like I have a lot less followers and you too for example [TS]

  but really anyone can pretty much talk to anyone else [TS]

  and that's not something you see in a bar it's not something you see in regular society and [TS]

  and to have a regular schmo deal with something that's decentralized that doesn't have a real easy onboarding [TS]

  experience that isn't something like the web that is so deeply deeply rooted in the Internet that it's it's. [TS]

  It's gotten past the fact that it's kind of weird onboarding in your L's are funny [TS]

  and what is dot com really mean etc I just don't see how it scientists cupcake whatever we're calling it. [TS]

  I don't see how it could get there. [TS]

  Well look at it look at email I think email is is a great example of how this kind of thing could happen [TS]

  and the left the result. [TS]

  So email is exactly what we're talking about it is a decentralized social network that has [TS]

  and it has a Discover bill the challenges it has problems with spam and abuse. But we've managed to make it all work. [TS]

  It isn't like we don't have this like panacea of dictum where everybody has their own domain name [TS]

  and everyone's you know everyone owns their legal identity. [TS]

  No we have a lot of people like that but then we also have like G. Mail and Yahoo Mail and M.S.N. [TS]

  Mail these like massive conglomerates that let anybody create an email account [TS]

  and a lot of people are fine just doing that any and that is very centralized within that service [TS]

  but it's still in our operated everything else [TS]

  and none of the services are ever going to get powerful enough to control the medium. [TS]

  I hope Google but it doesn't have to be like total decentralize like you know Bitcoin poor kind of stuff. [TS]

  Of like every nerd has their own thing or rather every nerd's required to have their own thing [TS]

  and every user is required to be a nerd. It doesn't have to be that way. [TS]

  It can be more like the way email does work which is the nerds can get their identities in their own domain if they [TS]

  want them and everyone else can go to some central provider this is really isn't this exactly what tents did. [TS]

  Everyone else can go to that can go to like you know a couple of the big popular providers [TS]

  and get some kind of fraternity and I worry about it. [TS]

  Yeah that's a tent thingy of cases problem of how how do you get something like tent which has existed for a long time [TS]

  or a cupcake not Iowa which is the actual domain name. [TS]

  I did get that sketch on I think the best shot in the current environment is for something I don't know the technical [TS]

  details of cupcake guy or whatever [TS]

  but for something like that to not actually be the product so if you can imagine presence of bitcoin that it caught on [TS]

  better because it had a better user interface or whatever or some some kind of. [TS]

  Sort of peer to peer concert network consensus based protocol for doing something that ends up being very valuable too [TS]

  to a lot of people like whether it's you know I mean other than people trying to launder money right. [TS]

  I'm taking monetary things just because Bitcoin is an obvious example [TS]

  but like the purpose of the system was like well this is kind of a weird thing [TS]

  but actually people totally use it as a way to transfer money from each other without a central mediating authority [TS]

  with consensus spacing or whatever like I mean obviously we know how Bitcoin is and that up [TS]

  and all the weirdness internet [TS]

  but I would something like that where someone builds an underlying infrastructure for this is what you need for this if [TS]

  you don't have a central server you need some way for for it to be more or less peer to peer [TS]

  but for there to be consensus of everybody about what is the nature of the timeline [TS]

  and how do we agree that the that this is the time line and that it has been poisoned with fake things [TS]

  and you really said Twitter serves that role and essential I think Twitter determines what is [TS]

  and isn't a tweet to get permalink throw things also stuff it's not like email where you can be store and forward [TS]

  and you have your own private repositories and you can delete them it'll be gone you know doesn't have you [TS]

  or else you need some kind of centralized way to figure out where where the you know what's it called tweets where the [TS]

  tweets are one of the euro of which we can approve the street was really made verified checkmarks all that stuff [TS]

  but you don't want to have a central authority so that's kind of a bit going does with the you know it's weird Pash [TS]

  bakes consensus thing but you know it's peer to peer [TS]

  but a large mesh network where no one noticed that they tend to Congress has more federated with islands [TS]

  and there could be very large islands the equipment to Hotmail and G. Mail rever. [TS]

  But anyway a system like that [TS]

  but not built for anything having to do with Twitter merely built for some other thing that has a readily explainable [TS]

  highly lucrative reason for being that causes it to come into very common use and to be built out everywhere [TS]

  and for every operating system to have it built in and have a client in every platform and. [TS]

  And then like it can all come tumbling down. I'm kind of like but going May right. [TS]

  But during the interim when when [TS]

  when that was being distributed everywhere because lots of people making money using this network the infrastructure [TS]

  this may work. [TS]

  People said hey you know what else we can do it on this network we can send it a little message to talk about whatever [TS]

  it is we're doing transferring the money [TS]

  or whatever other even of the gaming thing massively online peer to peer multiplayer gaming you know whatever the [TS]

  infrastructure is at some point they'll say you know you can use the same mental infrastructure to send tiny little [TS]

  messages to each other. [TS]

  Kind of I guess I must take you back on you know on the voice network for cell phones [TS]

  and that is the only way we're going to get a Twitter like thing I think because it has to be like sort of snuck in [TS]

  behind some other thing that that pays for the pays for [TS]

  and is the tractor to pull this massive really complicated infrastructure to spread it across all devices [TS]

  and the entire network and then some and shoving little messages there and then have the other thing probably implode [TS]

  or whatever and what you're left with is like oh well now we have all these clients and all these servers [TS]

  and all this stuff. [TS]

  And for this you know this peer to peer network with no centralized authority to authentically exchange small messages [TS]

  with each other [TS]

  and what it is that I mean maybe you know that I was trying to take away my massive centralized as well [TS]

  but anyway that that I think is the best the best case scenario the most likely scenario because I just don't see a way [TS]

  like Casey where something whose origin is in I want to be a Twitter like thing [TS]

  but I'm distributed I don't see how that ever gets to critical mass without being pulled behind something as sort of [TS]

  camouflage for it. [TS]

  Complicating this problem like the way social sites grow is kind of random it's kind of like you know it's kind of like [TS]

  fashion it's like you know what what's going to succeed and fail. [TS]

  You can you can increase your chances decrease your chances with the choices you make [TS]

  but ultimately it's kind of random what ends up being picked up and taking off [TS]

  and it has a lot to do with things like like you know who goes there what exactly when it comes like [TS]

  when it comes around [TS]

  when someone hears about it like we're all talking about tent like it's already dead we don't even know because at the [TS]

  moment the tent was launched we looked at it. [TS]

  It didn't solve our problems at that moment so we moved on [TS]

  and I disliked in my last message from five months ago I think I squatted on either lists or K.C. [TS]

  Lists on hand and just like L.L. Never looked back. [TS]

  What I do want to ask you guys this is a gender genuine question has there been any sort of services [TS]

  or protocols like email like R.S.S. [TS]

  That have a resume significantly after say the late ninety's when the when the [TS]

  when the Internet as we know it today kind of took off from thinking like Bit Torrent as a protocol that's taken off to [TS]

  a degree but it's still a little bit on the silly side. [TS]

  But there's been no Twitter there's Facebook I guess that's still centralized Is there anything that bit the bit [TS]

  torrent and Bitcoin combine kind of Bit Torrent it's tracked us piracy right. [TS]

  That's the thing like no I want to deal with this stuff [TS]

  but if it means you can get free stuff then you know so that spread you can get a bittorrent client for everything [TS]

  right [TS]

  or other they have the tracker problem looks like it's like kind of centralized exactly so that is not distributed Bitcoin. [TS]

  The tractor there was like laundering money or buying drugs [TS]

  or whatever like you know a way to exchange money between parties who don't trust each other right. [TS]

  And you know speculative you know trying to get rich quick by you know like there was a tractor behind behind bitcoin [TS]

  as well and that is like Bit Torrent in that it had a tractor to pull it [TS]

  and also what I was talking about where there's no central authority are does have the consensus problems of like if [TS]

  anyone gets more than fifty one percent more than half of the computing power you can theory poising the block [TS]

  and also that you know the little [TS]

  or big long Glenn Fleishman was it new disruptors I think it was a talk show maybe was a talk show via trying to [TS]

  explain any way they can it's not it's it's a little bit to wrap your head around [TS]

  but for the most part like it's not a great system for what I was describing [TS]

  but it's like Bit Torrent Plus this other thing and I feel like there's something else out there if it's not. [TS]

  Piracy or buying drugs or laundering money. [TS]

  So maybe it's porn maybe games right some other tractor is going to pull whatever the next iteration of this is because [TS]

  I don't think either one of those is sufficient to be an infrastructure for a centralized where like Bing [TS]

  but it proves that if you have a big tractor you can make the craziest weirdest most unfriendly protocols [TS]

  and stop spread everywhere I mean you're making good hardware fervor bit going to right now [TS]

  and you just need a tractor that is not like Twitter [TS]

  and then you need that to be successful long enough for someone to say hey we can put messages infrastructure [TS]

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  Once again square space a better web starts with your website. I'm reading the sponsor read tonight on parchment paper. [TS]

  Our printer ran out of regular paper earlier this afternoon was that after ran out of paper when I was there. [TS]

  Yeah when you were here I put in at the last like clump of. Regular paper I could find. Now that's gone too. [TS]

  As a legal paper comes in clumps my wife and I came to realize that this evening [TS]

  when I was discussing our lack of paper that we've been saving all this we have like resume paper [TS]

  and parchment paper from from back when these things mattered. [TS]

  And it's the cheesy stuff it's like imagine if you had a resume if you have a resume paper. [TS]

  First of all can you imagine [TS]

  when in the rest of your life you will ever be applying for a job where a paper resume would even be accepted. [TS]

  Secondly if you actually found one [TS]

  and applied for it with a paper resume imagine how it would look if you say if you gave this like this blue paper [TS]

  that's all this blue parchment paper that has a big Southworth watermark across the middle of it is crap possible. [TS]

  That would be a big upgrade from what actually happens which I have experience is what actually happens in the modern [TS]

  job. [TS]

  If you're lucky you applied to a job directly through some crazy web site if you're unlucky you end up going to [TS]

  recruiter Either way no matter how you format your resume they will demand it be formatted in some other way couldn't [TS]

  possibly pasting blocks of text into multiple text areas on a web page [TS]

  and that will go through seven different systems so that by the time you said down in front of someone what they will [TS]

  have done is printed from their web browser or whatever interface they see your resume [TS]

  and it would've come out as an unholy mess badly wrapped overly formatted like it would just it wouldn't look like your [TS]

  resume had been put through a blender and that is what they have in their hand in front of them [TS]

  when they're looking over quote unquote your resume bears no resemblance whatsoever to whatever your resume began so [TS]

  actually it would be a huge upgrade for them to have a piece of paper in their hand that I printed with my resume from [TS]

  the way I like it but that's not the way it happens. [TS]

  Yeah exactly when I was left applying for a job that had already started [TS]

  and it was like I made this awesomely formatted you know P.D.F. [TS]

  Resume and everybody wanted either word or like a plain text paste out of all the key words. [TS]

  Word is an improvement [TS]

  but at least they can print the word document the worse is going to go through like a recorder system an H.R. [TS]

  System then comes back out of the printer whether you can tell that the whole used to be worse [TS]

  or like the web browser put these insane footers in headers and then are they still do release these tiny text now [TS]

  but just yeah it's terrible I guess that maybe we're just on our way passing through [TS]

  and eventually I'll just be like my resume is on the Web put up on your i Pad while you want do some follow up. [TS]

  Let's do it. So we had some very interesting emails from Hendrick who is part of pixels on Twitter. [TS]

  I don't think I'm the most qualified of the three of us to talk about this [TS]

  but John I think you were lamenting at the most would you like to cover this particular piece of follow up. [TS]

  So last week we were discussing a piece of information posted to Twitter as an image of text with no problems that I [TS]

  could determine and and it was discussed in as a hypothetical if this is true it would be gross. [TS]

  It turns out that is not true what we were talking about was [TS]

  when viewing ten video on an i Phone six plus six plus that actually has a precisely ten A.T.P. [TS]

  Pixel screen one hundred twenty by ten eighty does it does the i Phone six Plus blows the movie up to the off screen [TS]

  three X. Size and then shrink it back down to ten a year does it just show it directly at native Tenney. [TS]

  And that's what the image of tech said that it does that scaling [TS]

  and I was crazy because it's like you've got the you've got the contents you've got the screen there are actually pixel [TS]

  per pixel perfect map for each other why would you ever pass through any scaling [TS]

  and shrinking process all you're doing is destroying information and we went back [TS]

  and forth a discussing that none of us know what actually went on [TS]

  and what turns out is that they do do the crazy hard thing which you're discussing about changing resolutions [TS]

  or changing the native output or I don't know what that's how you want to describe it [TS]

  but the bottom line is that if you show. Ten N.E.P. [TS]

  Content [TS]

  or if you just make a view of any kind you have the power as a developer on an i Phone six plus to get exactly one to [TS]

  one pixel accurate rendering of whatever it is you want whether it's an open G.L. [TS]

  View or a video thing or even even Actually I think you can do just that YOU I COULD BE YOU. [TS]

  I think it has to be open I think and I don't look at the if it was that native scale thing was that only in G.L.K. [TS]

  View and I don't have to look at that. [TS]

  But anyway this will provide a link for this in the show not [TS]

  but it is an apple dev form see only be able to follow the link if you have a developer account [TS]

  but if someone asking some a question like have got some content it's perfect for ten eighty I want to get it to be [TS]

  rendered exactly can I do that and I went back and brought the answer as you can [TS]

  and so Hendrik did a bunch of experiments to see before finding these guys are going to show this [TS]

  and what he did was he played tended to be content [TS]

  and it's very difficult to tell by looking at like we said it was going to tell the naked eye whether it's scaling it [TS]

  or not [TS]

  but he played like one of those test pattern images with very fine lines they have one pixel lines which is why it [TS]

  works as he can say is this how it's supposed to look is that an MPEG artifact or whatever [TS]

  but the easy way you can tell is he would have to show the player controls which are like you know you I get views [TS]

  and when the U.I. Can views come on top of the image parts that are not covered by the by the U.I. [TS]

  Could views change appearance so they get blurrier or you know that they look different and [TS]

  when those things go away then it goes back to what we assume is native one to one most of the posted a video of this. [TS]

  You could try yourself within the video which is a ten P. [TS]

  Test image or whatever but I mean that was like the hype of the usual practical proof [TS]

  and then the more technical proof is in the forums thread where you can see people from Apple saying yes if you want to [TS]

  view that one to one pixel you can get it here is how you get it use the A.P.I. [TS]

  As you can use so I would assume that in all cases where Apple can get that one to one like for example playing video [TS]

  without any controls over they do but it's interesting that they're able to not only switch but. [TS]

  Sort of seamlessly when the U.I. [TS]

  Appears [TS]

  and disappears like Apparently this watching all the time not just from apt to happen within a single happen [TS]

  when elements of here so it seems like Apple has the various different scaling modes for different views [TS]

  and alignment with the hardware down down to a science here where there they're able to switch at every opportunity to [TS]

  do whatever is the most efficient and whatever is the best possible choice for the screen. [TS]

  Yet hang out before there's actually cricket in my office I think that's because you can hear it as hops [TS]

  when you need him come riding on the rug sleeve you totally ignoring this [TS]

  and it for what it's worth I did find the article that the block O. Text came from. [TS]

  Actually I think somebody linked it to me and I think I found it but anyways it's the Register dot co dot uk. [TS]

  Actually I'll just put it in the chat room it was in the show notes for last episode if I had known that origin is not [TS]

  reassuring. [TS]

  All right well in the best part is the title of this article on The Register dot co dot uk is Apple i Phone six Plus [TS]

  gorgeous that's pixel destiny death density Excuse me but it's wasted. [TS]

  Yeah so that whoever posted that are the register people were confused by the fact that it doesn't matter screenshots [TS]

  always are taken in the high resolution even when you're you know you can prove to yourself either with your own code [TS]

  or with your own sample video that it really is showing a native one to one ten eighty without any scaling up [TS]

  or down if you take a screenshot of that it still ends up larger like a screen shot a mechanism blows it up. [TS]

  I can't find it nice so the night of the video can give give me clean at a point here the same thing that we need to [TS]

  keep. [TS]

  We found cases someone sent Casey a link to the video that that screen there in the text was so hard for a green arrow [TS]

  for him. Dog This was the crickets. OK The problem is a no longer existing murderer. [TS]

  Why do you know what I meant it the same thing if they take in the native resolution [TS]

  but say the higher the point is the file on disk is ends up higher as you want to go into arguments about what stages [TS]

  of the gunfire is is it or is it not a living soul. When is it when is it a life. [TS]

  I mean understand as thinking you'd be drawing where I think they're taking a native resident say what at one point to [TS]

  take in [TS]

  but not say that we're discussing the memory buffers now now we have them argue about whether that well technically [TS]

  it's not really as they like to see it if people ever wonder why we sometimes believe like these somewhat flippant [TS]

  responses to pedantic points [TS]

  and questions this is why because all we do is get people being completely pedantic while I said he was trolling me so [TS]

  congratulations Slater old man this show such a trainwreck I love it is your cricket your cricket then now I don't want [TS]

  to talk about the cricket. So we're going to go badly. Mistakes were made. [TS]

  Well I I did my usual move of just dropping something heavy on it just leaving it there and I'll deal with it later. [TS]

  That is truly a new level of procrastination. [TS]

  What's even worse is that I what I dropped on it was a i Pad two in a one of those like bookcases that was like the [TS]

  nearest thing that was big enough and flat enough to do what I wanted to do. [TS]

  And gosh darn it people like me it's a tiff I hope you didn't if you're listening [TS]

  and hope you didn't need your old i Pad two case anymore because it's going to be sacrificed for another. [TS]

  It should be clean of all easily. [TS]

  Yeah I hope she makes you clean the guts off of it and I have found a use for an i Pad two. [TS]

  I'm not even drinking and this is the best man to do we want to actually try to come back to this if you will. [TS]

  Just don't give up on this one. [TS]

  No it's so I actually I actually put the test video on my six plus to see how you know how noticeable is this you know [TS]

  in the in the last episode. Almost everything I said was wrong I was. I had said both. [TS]

  You won't notice the quality difference [TS]

  and there's no way Apple went to the trouble of making this work because who cares it doesn't matter. [TS]

  They probably just double scale it and so it turns out they didn't go to the trouble makers where they did care [TS]

  and on the test video showing a test pattern the quality difference is noticeable [TS]

  and not you know I don't think it would be noticeable in regular video watching. [TS]

  I don't think anybody would ever notice. [TS]

  But if you want to test video you know when it when it's full screen you see it. [TS]

  Unskilled and if you tap the screen to show the bars you see it get scale [TS]

  and everything kind of will the the lines the way it like alternates one pixel black one pixel white in these in these [TS]

  lines. That way you can see if it gets blurred a lot it just turns gray. It's very clear like this which is obvious. [TS]

  So it's interesting [TS]

  but I guess I still don't think it's worth the effort to just do it for this I think the way they did it was clearly [TS]

  for Open G.L. That makes more sense like they can bypass a scale or for Open G.L. [TS]

  To have direct access to the pixels that makes a lot of sense I totally understand why that is there [TS]

  and I guess I didn't think of that as as a potential reason why else this would have to exist [TS]

  when I was saying this would be where the good I still maintain that while you can see the difference in the test video [TS]

  I don't think it matters for video playback [TS]

  and the interesting thing is as pointed out by Hendrik as I seem to confirm with experimentation if you put an opaque [TS]

  U.I. Could view on top it does not scale. [TS]

  I don't know they don't need to do it ever need to composite it so that like I said they're taking every opportunity to [TS]

  say do we really have to go up and then down again. [TS]

  And if every single view on top of your open jail view is opaque The answer is. [TS]

  No you don't I can still go direct to screen so I was going to write to screen with the U.I. [TS]

  I mean I suppose I would want to I guess even if you had like a three X. Image either as part of your U.I. [TS]

  Right you would scale that image and you know in the off screen [TS]

  and then put that in composite together you are not composite of the other just blended together because it's [TS]

  completely opaque. So even though you had a three X. [TS]

  Three source it would be displayed native you know a scaled native down version of itself. [TS]

  So I think they did the best you could expect with the hardware that they had on hand [TS]

  and there was another little piece of information at about this I forget if it was the same person was Hendrik [TS]

  or somebody else but they're talking about. [TS]

  Why would you ever you know why do you want to take video and then there was a perfectly native fit for the screen [TS]

  and scale it up and scale it back down that it's crazy [TS]

  and this bit of a rave is offered for a somewhat related scenario we're not quite in there in the realm of digital [TS]

  video where if you shoot video in a certain resolution [TS]

  and then the question is why would you ever scale that video up to be a much higher resolution for editing purposes [TS]

  only to scale it back down later for the final product [TS]

  or not scale back down like why would you ever wonder that what you know or scale back down not [TS]

  or it to the original size is like smaller size the answer was that in this forum both open the shots [TS]

  and it was that when you scale something up you're making it like blurrier and you're stretching it out [TS]

  and doing all this stuff [TS]

  but you're essentially adding information now it's interpreted information based on the information that was there your [TS]

  synthesizing information you know that's how the scaling works [TS]

  but by synthesizing that additional information it does actually add information to the image. [TS]

  Fake information made up information guesses but that information is added so [TS]

  when you scale it back down if you don't go all the way back down what you get in the end is an image with more visible [TS]

  detail than the one you started with because it made up the details that made up is [TS]

  when interplay them so if you take it to Cambridge scallop for Canaan. Well that's. [TS]

  Now take it to camera scale to eight K. and Then back down to four K. [TS]

  Will look better than if you just took the two Gammage and scale it up to four K. [TS]

  Because you added all that information and then you shoved the new you made it you know you chunk it back down [TS]

  and that was the argument anyway I don't want to be my film adding that the argument in this in this film editing form [TS]

  and you can read about it [TS]

  but that's that's an interesting point I don't think it applies to you eyes which are not photographic images [TS]

  but for video. [TS]

  I can understand how you might say well fake information made up by you know by Kubrick interpellation is better than [TS]

  not have any information at all because it will leave you with a more detailed image. [TS]

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  So anyway they need a studio he has moved onto cocktails with the neat ice kit and Katie both you [TS]

  and I have neat ice kits so Tom and then the guys a studio there on a mission to convince you that making art [TS]

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  Cocktails are simple you get a few readily available ingredients [TS]

  and you already have access to everything a fancy cocktail bar does except for clear and correctly sized ice. [TS]

  So to fix this Tom [TS]

  and then made the neat ice kit the need I think it is a set of tools for creating the right eyes for your at home [TS]

  cocktails. So Casey can you describe how this works. [TS]

  Sure so the way this works is you order a kit and it has some foam insulation [TS]

  and within that you place this she was that silicone mold and you fill the small with just tap water [TS]

  or maybe if you really fancy like stuff out of a pure water filter [TS]

  and you put that sort on mold in the foam insulation you put all of it into the freezer [TS]

  and you let it sit for around a day [TS]

  and then a day later what happens is you have this I think it's about two inches wide by two inches long by four inches [TS]

  deep rectangle not a cube were meant for they were tender their solid you know that. Thank you. [TS]

  So anyway so you have this basically treaty rectangle and you half of it is really cloudy [TS]

  and the top half of it is perfectly perfectly clear [TS]

  and the reason that happens from what I understand is as the foam insulation keeps the bottom [TS]

  and sides insulated the top is exposed to the freezer air in so it freezes from top down and so all the impurities [TS]

  and up at the bottom. [TS]

  Well then they give you a mallet and a chisel [TS]

  and you can break this rectangular prism whatever Marco just called it in half of it. [TS]

  Thank you solid and and then you have now a two by two by two perfectly. A clear block of ice. [TS]

  It is extremely fussy extremely silly. [TS]

  It is by most arguments a complete waste of time and every time I have a drink This is exactly what I do [TS]

  and I love it and I but I am so I would I mean we are kind of paid to say this [TS]

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  I love my need I skate I love it so much that I actually stockpile uncut bricks. [TS]

  So if for some reason someone comes over unexpectedly or maybe I've just had a very bad day [TS]

  and I have plenty of crystal clear big ass ice cubes as they call them in order to put my vodka on top of [TS]

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  or may not remember to put in the show notes but by ten of them because they're awesome. [TS]

  I actually ordered one for myself before they sponsored the show just as I thought was interesting and I've. [TS]

  They didn't say this but I try to few of the other solutions out there to try to make like fancy I said home [TS]

  and none of the other ones were as easy to use as this one. [TS]

  So anyway each need I scan includes the mold the chisel which is also into the bottle opener right [TS]

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  A club that doubles as a muddler and a Louis bag and I didn't know this [TS]

  but apparently Louis bag is a bag you crushed ice it like you put the ice in the bag you hit the bag with your club [TS]

  and then out comes crushed ice is that roughly correct. [TS]

  Yeah that's the idea so if you had a situation where you have a cocktail that requires a thin but tall glass [TS]

  and I forget which ones they are off on my head but you could take your big ass crystal clear ice cube [TS]

  and then chop it up a couple more times. [TS]

  Throw that ice into the Lewis bag use that model or like Marco was talking about bang bang bang [TS]

  and crush all that ice and Louis bag and now you've got crystal clear crushed ice instead of a cube right. [TS]

  Or you can even you can you can crush up the cloudy half of the cube that you have out there. [TS]

  As putting your dog bowl like I did but because hops with the dark hair [TS]

  but the cloudiness he was happy to have ice in his bold regardless of whether it was clear or not [TS]

  but people care so we can have the cool the cool clear eyes for ourselves anyway. [TS]

  The skit also makes an amazing gift for the holidays for weddings. [TS]

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  I've met them and they're fantastic they're there that night in person as well. [TS]

  Yeah I would go on and on about the need I could even if they were jerks because it's that wonderful [TS]

  but they are also that want to perform. [TS]

  Yeah I'm a big fan of their cars or not it's a stylus for i Pads I've got that one. [TS]

  Yeah it's like I try to have tried a lot of styli for a touch devices [TS]

  and none of them really work for me as well as the cars are not that I even have the fancy one from paper pencil [TS]

  and I'm not an artist at all and so it doesn't really work for me [TS]

  but the cars are not it is awesome that it's like it's like a dry erase marker basically. [TS]

  Like that's it that's the feel has which was the reason they made it so big [TS]

  and chunky like that is because that's roughly the precision you have with any of these things [TS]

  and so they made it kind of fit that it made the form of it fit the perception that you actually get [TS]

  and so it just makes it feel like more right you know I hear you anyway. [TS]

  Attempting to make it through the steps and get to a topic [TS]

  but it's not looking good so far I don't have a now so let's talk about bent. [TS]

  On tests because we haven't done that enough. [TS]

  And it really started with a topic stream that the mark of the movies he derails the to be forgotten [TS]

  and whatever he was talk about to make sure we get to it even though thoughtful. [TS]

  Exactly and then to the bingo bore people. It works otherwise we all follow it every week. Nobody wants that. [TS]

  No we would get to be the same total amount of time with that part of the beginning [TS]

  or the end they would just keep going. [TS]

  Anyway last night talked about the Consumer Reports test and and I mentioned bunch of stuff that I didn't see [TS]

  and their report apparently was there and either I missed it [TS]

  or I sort of early version of the report it may be a real blog of the report that didn't quite correctly copy [TS]

  and paste the content part of your findings from Twitter on your i was device doesn't show the full euro anyway [TS]

  but a way because the reports did test not just how much force does it take to break these things [TS]

  but also how much force can be applied before what they call defamation which is what I was saying [TS]

  and how much more can you apply before it doesn't spring back. [TS]

  And so you can see we'll put the link in the show it's again those concerned words as you can see they they just of [TS]

  that for the i Phone six and six plus as well so. [TS]

  And speaking of bending i Phone six and six plus and warranty repairs. [TS]

  We got some interesting feedback from listener Jared [TS]

  and he says I made the mistake of looking at my i Phone six from the side bending from carrying it in my not at all [TS]

  skinny jeans I was his emphasis. I'm sorry skinny jeans and soo pants bent. [TS]

  Point is right at the bottom of the lower volume button went to the Apple store yesterday Chicago's Lincoln Lincoln [TS]

  Park which is usually super awesome in accommodating and here's where it's interesting. [TS]

  The genius proceeded to tell me that based on an article in scare quotes they had received as of October third that the [TS]

  bending of the phone only occurs because a lot of pressure [TS]

  or blunt force in the scratches on my case which were because of keys in my pocket by accident [TS]

  and was an indication that my phone had been mistreated. And they wouldn't cover the bend and warranty. [TS]

  Thus I would have to pay them three hundred dollars on top of the nine hundred dollars that he already shelled out [TS]

  because he says he bought a T. Mobile hundred twenty eight gig non-contract phone so that's a change. [TS]

  And it seemed at first that Apple was pretty happy to do a warranty return or exchange on these [TS]

  and now apparently not so much. [TS]

  I didn't see him though as a Marco said he thought that he thought that if you brought it to an Apple store [TS]

  and had a band and it was still under warranty maybe Apple will be nice [TS]

  or playful because because we had heard reports from people who did that yeah they will get one from someone who said I [TS]

  don't know what it was Twitter feed back but I did read reports like the second [TS]

  or third day after this story come out this might happen. [TS]

  They were saying people people who ride the Genius Bar and they're like oh yeah you know that shouldn't happen. [TS]

  Here's a new one. And now we've heard not just from Jared But we've heard from a number of people I've seen. [TS]

  We have at least two feedback emails here [TS]

  and I got a couple of tweets to this point as well that it sounds like in the last few days Apple has changed their [TS]

  policy [TS]

  and has issued some kind of directive from above saying they're no longer going to replace phones are being bent. [TS]

  And [TS]

  and I don't know I mean I think we don't know enough about this problem yet to know whether it's actually a real problem [TS]

  or not. [TS]

  It was sounding at first like it was going to be a big problem and then the Consumer Reports thank you [TS]

  and then it's like oh well it's not really a problem as much maybe probably not [TS]

  but you know we're not going to know for like six months like in six months if half of it half the people you know who [TS]

  have i Phones XS their bent [TS]

  and these people aren't like totally abusive then I think one of the others actually was a bit of a problem. [TS]

  Well the third course doesn't give us the information because they test they show a range [TS]

  and let me look to they do the five S. [TS]

  and I test as well because we can compare it to is the most recent Apple phone that we may be familiar with the i Phone [TS]

  six was not super weak like the second. Plus we're not the bottom of the barrel. [TS]

  They were more towards the middle middle low end [TS]

  but it wasn't yet so there was same as if you see one you haven't heard lots of stories about they want to make getting [TS]

  better but it's basically one of the weakest is no one's buying it yet. [TS]

  Well if you see one with a we can attest the six was the second we has the six plus was the third weakest [TS]

  and the range is not astronomically hazily I well I was was the i Phone five was considerably stronger. [TS]

  It didn't get to form until hundred thirty pounds of pressure versus the six which performs at seventy [TS]

  and six plus which to forms ninety so this is a range from seventy two hundred fifty pounds of pressure for the [TS]

  defamation from best to worst right and to the i Phone six plus is just shy of the middle it's on the low end [TS]

  and you know so. But like the scene like ballpark and like is it is a difference. [TS]

  That's why I got into I thought about last show which is all right so this these test tells whether to format [TS]

  but we don't know what the expected range of pressures that a phone in your pocket get subjected to are both based on [TS]

  the length of the song which is what I was talking about last week [TS]

  but also just forget the length of the phone to say uniform form length. [TS]

  If it turns out that the pressures in a person's pocket generally peak around one hundred pounds of pressure that means [TS]

  that Apple's i Phone five was comfortably above that range [TS]

  and now the line of phones they've released is below that range. [TS]

  Right [TS]

  and so it could just be this is a threshold like in general you know the worst you're going to feel in a pocket is a [TS]

  hundred pounds of pressures as long as your phone clears a hundred pounds you're finally we don't know where that [TS]

  dividing line is what is the expectation of pressure and so the second email from Chris M. [TS]

  Is sort of a contrast to the previous one. [TS]

  It says he had a phone that was kept in his left pocket played a podcast [TS]

  or a flight so there was no tightness in my pocket nor was it pressing against anything [TS]

  and cetera not a mark on it took it to the Genius Bar the genius person agreed that it had not been mistreated to look [TS]

  perfect but. [TS]

  I couldn't replace it under warranty because of the aforementioned order from above that they're not doing that anymore. [TS]

  Right now we see the numbers of the pressure [TS]

  and never felt any tightness like you think I'm bending themselves not your regular bending your phone like they're [TS]

  bending because pressure is being applied to them it could be that the pressure is applied in such a way that is [TS]

  distributed across your legs so you don't feel it [TS]

  but somewhere somehow there's only seventy pounds of pressure being applied to the center of that. [TS]

  That's like best case to do be harder to bend it if you play it's only pounds of pressure to someplace other than [TS]

  directly in the middle using the edges of the falcon like using a three point press holding the very edges putting the [TS]

  pressure at that the worst case scenario right. You had to apply more pressure if you were playing it. [TS]

  If the distance from the folk rim [TS]

  and the edge of the thing was shorter so somehow pressure is being applied to these phones the thing we're missing now [TS]

  is the expected what is the environment of the pocket like in terms of pressures [TS]

  and if you if you're going to build something to stand those pressures is is this bone just under warranty [TS]

  and that I guess we'll find out like Margo said Experimentally I just like all your friends to be different their [TS]

  pockets are all them slightly bent in you know a couple months right. [TS]

  And you know when a new i Phone comes out when has any kind of like potential physical [TS]

  or design flaw you don't really know until a few months in like how bad is it like the i Phone five came out [TS]

  and the edges scuffed up pretty easily and should [TS]

  and should lighter color metal underneath you know that it took a lot of figure out that was going to be a thing right. [TS]

  The i Phone four came out everyone thought interrogate was the big problem [TS]

  when really the big problem for the proximity sensor in the home until now [TS]

  and yet that wasn't the one with a home button always died [TS]

  and you know you don't really know if not every i Phone is perfect some a better than others I think with this one I [TS]

  see I'm actually seeing this table in Consumer Reports. [TS]

  Key separation I don't really care about because I don't think like I think the defamation is is the more important [TS]

  column the one that people actually more likely to hit and get upset by regular use. [TS]

  What's interesting two things first of all. All that by the by their measurements. [TS]

  The six plus is actually stronger than the six which I think is the opposite of what you probably expect. [TS]

  Secondly the the six withstood only almost. [TS]

  Only slightly more than half as much force as the i Phone five [TS]

  and so that's a pretty big difference to to only be able to withstand roughly half the force that's that's [TS]

  substantially weaker and again because this test is synthetic [TS]

  and you're right it doesn't you know we don't know how this will hold up in practice but that does look like a problem. [TS]

  The round numbers make me worry about it a little bit too. [TS]

  Why is it seven hundred ninety one hundred thirty like is there I don't know if they're just kind of saying this [TS]

  reflects the imprecision in our experiment [TS]

  and we do my show the exact numbers because that would that would that would show a degree of certainty that doesn't [TS]

  actually exist in the experiment. I mean there are a lot of variables here. [TS]

  These devices are not uniform solids like they vary on the inside they have different materials at different points [TS]

  and there's the weak points of the volume buttons below strengthening strips in the printed circuit board on one side [TS]

  and a battery on the other so there's all sorts of variables going on here so it's not a straight forward test. [TS]

  So that's what really matters is the the environment you know the environment these phones are subjected to. [TS]

  But like the A.T.C. [TS]

  One up there showing similar you know being the weakest in the test and being a phone has been out for a while [TS]

  and then we've heard nothing about bending. [TS]

  Makes you think it can't be that terrible because it is going to give people who are going to baby their phones it's [TS]

  not going to be a she see one owners you know like the Apple ones of the people are going to care about the little [TS]

  device and getting scratched out as of like that. [TS]

  I know the device is a really nice an appeal to people who like nice things I think the agency makes really good [TS]

  looking phones but if I had to take entire groups i Phone owners versus eighty one hours [TS]

  and say of these groups which one will treat their phone face [TS]

  or I'm going to pick the I thought I think it attracts a certain kind of. [TS]

  Hardware nerd [TS]

  and so if we haven't heard any major easy ones then yes is it because they haven't sold any of them it's because you [TS]

  don't get any excitement from telling people they see want to spend I think literacy in a story anyway. [TS]

  If it was it was a big deal this is a bit like oh wait you see they can't catch a break to make these great phones are [TS]

  known themes to buy and now they may want to bend. [TS]

  Honestly I don't think that's I think the the things that you just kind of disregarded are pretty big things like yeah [TS]

  no one's buying each to see phones in general which is part of the problem ecstasy is having with their business [TS]

  and you never hear about like minor physical flaws are minor design flaws of Android phones. [TS]

  It doesn't happen they're not nearly as high profile there is not nearly as much money [TS]

  and attention to be had by pointing out flaws in them. It just doesn't happen like that is not a fair comparison. [TS]

  I still think I still think it will get reported though I mean the agency one got reviewed everywhere I've seen them in [TS]

  practice same people have them like it's not there they're not so rare that you're like I've still never seen anyone [TS]

  using a surface in real life but I've seen plenty of agency ones [TS]

  and they got reviewed all the main reasons why were they reviewed if no one buys agency. [TS]

  It's now wouldn't be a big story wouldn't be in the Wall Street Journal ripened on the sites that we travel [TS]

  and I think we would have seen it by now if it was a problem [TS]

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  Oh I thought you wanted to defend your i Phone grip which is wrong. [TS]

  Now some of the it was that last weekend when you never go to the sale [TS]

  or I know I do I do want to mention one more thing about the i Phone six physical design and grip. [TS]

  So first of all I use my five S. Briefly today to set up a live stream or and yet if I like first of the five S. [TS]

  A such a better looking phone like I look at the back a look at the back of the menace think this like the five S. [TS]

  Looks downright sexy on the back and the six and six Plus look stupid on the back [TS]

  but I don't like how the looks on the back. I can I can see they are going for the six looking worse on the back. [TS]

  But I just do not like the bag-O. Does look so boring to me. The five I'll give you the five S. [TS]

  I disagree with that because the five is the way they changed they changed the tone of the of the dark color. [TS]

  I know [TS]

  but I like it like all the things that look good about the five in five us back look good in Apple's close up shots [TS]

  from a human distance not [TS]

  and met with macro photography it's just a mad metal bath tub with you know chamfered edges that are probably nicked. [TS]

  No what I did with it the two tone back with it the glass with an arrow and the edges I think it looks so much better. [TS]

  Anyway so first of all yes impression about who it is. Oh my God this thing is tiny. [TS]

  Secondly Oh my God I can reach everything this is glorious because still it's still having trouble reaching everything [TS]

  and I've definitely I've decided this week to give in and got a case for hers [TS]

  and I've decided I'm going to get a case too [TS]

  and I have never had a case on my phone before I carried phones I carried Palm Pilots. [TS]

  I never had a case on those I have never had a case on any electronic device I've ever carried around as far as I can [TS]

  remember me I might be wrong [TS]

  but as far as I can remember of never have the clothes that came with this letter like a letter cling stick on thing on [TS]

  the back glass panel of my foreign for us which is awesome and actually I ordered new ones to try on the big phone [TS]

  or on the current phone just kill the cricket with a case [TS]

  and that was to cite that she has use cases before although never on phones but I have I have never used one. [TS]

  As far as I can remember so it's what did you get Case wise kids got the apple leather case. [TS]

  I waited for my little thing to come in the mail to see if that will be enough [TS]

  but you know it's like twenty bucks so it's great. [TS]

  So why are you getting the case though why why have you decided this is the one you need a case or it's because [TS]

  when I hold this phone in my hand it just feels slippery [TS]

  and I know that was you know everyone says the new phones feel slippery when new phones come out. [TS]

  This is always even when the foreign force you know at the glass back. [TS]

  Which actually gets pretty well people said it felt so pretty because it did compared to the three G.S. [TS]

  Like you know eight people who showed up at this time like I've now been using the phone for what two [TS]

  and a half weeks over long it's been and it still feels very precarious I have almost dropped it many times [TS]

  and I have never as far as I can remember I've never dropped and i Phone or any other trying to vice. [TS]

  So you think of the rounded edges the thinness. [TS]

  Now the material I think it's a combination of all I think it's a combination of the rounded edges the thinness [TS]

  and the back. But you think you can do the top S. Right now do tell test with the five S. [TS]

  and Six to see what I will do I have to tell my hand before I start sliding off because everyone I've known who has [TS]

  done that test said the sex of either more grippy [TS]

  or equally grubby with a five in terms of just you know friction with your skin [TS]

  but the rounded edges in attendance do make it feel slippery like that you know like a like a little while you don't [TS]

  have that the sharp edges that you feel like you're going to hold on to I guess try to do the tilt test [TS]

  and I can't I can't I mean I'm not going to drop them [TS]

  but I can get almost ninety degrees that's not really the most because my hands are slightly moist because I'm warm [TS]

  but anyway just put a five and the six nights of each other in the same hand. [TS]

  Anyway the point is I don't think the materials at fault [TS]

  but the rounded edges nothing is nothing to make it feel like that maybe this one is getting finally has cross your [TS]

  naked robotic [TS]

  or threshold where you're like OK now this is this is clearly not the device this is clearly the thing the core of the [TS]

  device that I will slot into something that I'm going to hold. Well it's a combination of factors. [TS]

  To me the big things that make this phone feel more precarious [TS]

  and possibly be more precarious to hold are the combination of the side design like the sides themselves don't dig into [TS]

  your hands at all and they don't grip your hand like the side of the five with with the with the squared side [TS]

  and like the sharp edges that does can nicely rip your hand. There's like a big service there for friction. [TS]

  The stamp place so that's a big part of it. [TS]

  Secondly I think the possibly bigger part besides not having grippy sides is. [TS]

  That you have I have to so often change my grip on the phone in use to be able to reach something [TS]

  and that that I think is by far the biggest risk for dropping it is like [TS]

  when you're holding it one handed you're walking around you're holding and doing something [TS]

  and you are you got to go hit a button in the upper corner that you can't reach [TS]

  and so you've got to change your feel like choke up on it [TS]

  and then it is much more precarious in your head at that point because you have lost your supporting supporting pinky [TS]

  or bearing Pinky the bottom or you've just used the whole time which God knows how that works [TS]

  and you know I happily reach up and and like you know you have a lot less support in that time [TS]

  and you are literally excluding the phone down your hand so that you are intentionally loosening your grip on it to [TS]

  change where you're holding it and so what I'm looking for and like I so I have I still have a case on my phone. [TS]

  But I picked up tips a couple times in the last couple days to check something on it and it feels glorious. [TS]

  I'm like oh my god I need this like it with the Apple leather case on it. [TS]

  It is that is how I want this phone to feel it improves so many things [TS]

  and it does make the edge swipe gestures a little slick slightly annoying to do because you feel like kind of the [TS]

  education your finger you know. [TS]

  However [TS]

  when I'm not using the case on the phone on my phone there's a different problem which is that you have to like make [TS]

  sure that you're that you're not actually touching the screen with any part of your grip because the screen is so close [TS]

  to the edges [TS]

  and they are so nicely rounded that it's very easy to accidentally touch the edge of the screen especially if you're [TS]

  reaching across it. [TS]

  If you're really reaching across with your thumb to one of the upper corners then like the pad of your handle your [TS]

  thumb it's very easy to actually screen with that and so this there's all these all these problems like [TS]

  and I thought the other day that the big advisor my phone was broken around the edges. [TS]

  Because like all of my edge cats were not registering [TS]

  and I I frequently have problems bring up the lock screen camera the which is an edge drag [TS]

  and a bunch of people tweeted back basically saying they've had the same thing. [TS]

  Even on their five Ss after I was eight so it appears to be a software bug of like the automatic finger rejection [TS]

  that's always been more prevalent the i Pad client and i Phones now as well. [TS]

  I don't know if they were if they always have but it's at least doing it and I was eight. [TS]

  The new phones the screens are so close to the edge that they have to do that so [TS]

  and it seems like it calibrates based on whenever you unlock the phone like if you if you lock it [TS]

  and then unlock it it seems to recalibrate and [TS]

  and so if you're if you get an edge had to ignore do that it's ten to fix it [TS]

  but like if you have a case on it you are far less likely to actually be touching the edge so it will also improve the [TS]

  reliability of edge touch gestures in normal use. [TS]

  So there's I feel like this is the first phone where the the stock design of it is just not that compatible with me [TS]

  like it's the first i Phone where I felt this way where I actually need a case [TS]

  or something to to make this more more ergonomic and more usable to me [TS]

  and I'm hearing I'm hearing very similar complaints from a lot of people. [TS]

  I think we're going to look back on this design in the future once we have a different design [TS]

  and once we've had you know the benefits of hindsight in time I think we're going to look back on this. [TS]

  On the i Phone six design as a low point. [TS]

  Not not not to say it's a failure [TS]

  but that it's not up to up to the usual standards of what we've come to expect from my phone decides. [TS]

  Do you think the curved glass the fact that these so I assume most of the case I didn't look closely at the one [TS]

  when I was handling it but the glass there is part of the glass in the front of the i Phone six that is not the screen. [TS]

  That's right because the curve part of the screen image is not displayed on the entire car parked at a certain point [TS]

  the screen stops. The glass keeps going so it doesn't make it clear like to your finger or any part of you. [TS]

  I'm touching glass now but is this part of the blasted untouched and part of the screen image [TS]

  or part of the dies that attacks my touch [TS]

  and that I think would could lead to some confusion both about Ed touch edged touches and touch rejection [TS]

  and just like feeling in your hand what it is that you're doing whereas before I think I don't I don't have my i Pod [TS]

  with me I think the screen image went up or something and you could feel it even when you have an eye with a vice [TS]

  and you look at and tell me that's the case I have every ost of us so. [TS]

  GRAEME INNES go to the edge of the CAN YOU FEEL where that lights stop or no no no and I cannot finance either. [TS]

  All right well but on a five S. [TS]

  Like on a fine that you never had any reason for any part of your finger hand to be resting on the front face of the [TS]

  phone that was not going to the screen whereas because of the curved edge you're kind of always partially on it you can [TS]

  feel the edge now that that would be your dividing point point for like feeling in your hand. [TS]

  Am I touching the screen or not is that corner is there like well it's around the corner. [TS]

  Even though it's not taken to a screen right there you keep your hands out for the curve can can sort of lead you into [TS]

  touch it. [TS]

  I've had cases on all my i Pod Touch as always I used to always use silicone cases because they were the most grippy [TS]

  and that's what I wanted and that I eventually gave up and I couldn't find a good one for my current gen i Pod touch [TS]

  and move to T P U which I like as well [TS]

  and now Apple is making a silicone case where are they you know five years ago [TS]

  but I'll probably going to try there's a local case of get one of these because I like it to be super grippy for all [TS]

  the reasons that you said [TS]

  but I've just always felt that way I've always felt that all the i Pod touch is very two things for me to use without a [TS]

  case. So I'd like to go back a minute and explore what happened in your head when you picked up that five S. and I. [TS]

  Aaron is still on the five S. [TS]

  and By her own choice [TS]

  and I use her phone probably once every day once every couple days because you know it's the nearest one you know I [TS]

  need to look something up. [TS]

  And every time I pick up parents phone the first thought I have which is what you said Marco is holy crap. [TS]

  This feels so much better in my hand. [TS]

  I think I actually prefer from in or from a feel point of view I prefer having the flat sides. [TS]

  Certainly I can reach everything which is marvelous because I never realized how much I use my i Phone with only one [TS]

  hand. [TS]

  But the second thought I have is holy crap the screen is a post postage stamp and [TS]

  when I was expecting what they came to there what came to be the six I don't think I really was yearning for more [TS]

  screen real estate and now that I have it which is exactly what everyone said would happen. [TS]

  I really don't like going back but the hardware's so much better [TS]

  and so I was curious Marco Do you also get that feeling of oh my gosh this is so cramped when you're using the phone. [TS]

  I I mean I haven't used it that much I just I picked it up and you know play with a few things for a minute here [TS]

  and there but what I notice is that I think the screen is really tiny. [TS]

  I think oh my god I can't I can never go back to this. [TS]

  However then I notice not oh this is feel better not only can I reach everything [TS]

  but because of those two factors I can actually use it much faster. Like whatever I'm trying to do on the five S. [TS]

  I can do it faster than I can do it on the set and this is even after now being pretty used to the six [TS]

  and I think that it's because I can reach everything so much faster [TS]

  and I wanted more screens that I was I was on the side of people that said please give us bigger screens. [TS]

  I think Louis Mansi he tweeted I think it was him he tweeted like I don't know a week ago something all along the lines [TS]

  of they should have done two different sizes like like I think he said like four point five and five Point Oh [TS]

  and I don't know what the big one you know people who have the big phone like it so maybe five point five. [TS]

  There as I say the big one [TS]

  but I think four point five rather than four point seven might have been the better size for the sex. [TS]

  I think that would have made it you know a little closer to to the four inch thing that was so easy to feel [TS]

  and reach everything for so many people you know obviously point two inches not a big difference [TS]

  but it is a noticeable difference. [TS]

  I don't I don't think we even really know yet the full value of having more screen space on the phones because so much [TS]

  software can take advantage of it yet. So all this might change in a year when more apps are updated you know. [TS]

  But for now I think it's kind of like the like you know buying the contrasts you T.V. [TS]

  In the store when I look at the six and I look at the screen I would much rather like it's more appealing to me but [TS]

  when I actually try to use the phone the five S. I think is more usable for me. Yeah I would agree with that. [TS]

  It's funny because I don't know if I were to do it all over again [TS]

  and let's suppose in some hypothetical world I can have the six internals in a five S case. [TS]

  I'm leaning toward I would choose the I don't know hypothetical i Phone six many [TS]

  but it's a tough call what I'm really curious to see and I'd be curious to hear what you guys think. [TS]

  Do you think that next year Apple will make a i Phone six S. In a four inch form factor. [TS]

  I'm leaning towards no but I think I want them to. [TS]

  I think they got a look at the sales numbers though like they don't have to make a decision right away. [TS]

  Probably have enough sales information like they know you know how well did the forest sell [TS]

  when we put out the fire how well do the five five sell about the five S. [TS]

  Like if it looks like the five looks like the five S. and Five C. [TS]

  Are selling a way out of proportion to the numbers we would expect for like last year's phone. [TS]

  They're like OK this shows there is an appetite for the smaller model that like that is disproportionate to like this. [TS]

  Every year someone always buys last year's model [TS]

  but this year we sold like you know five times as many of last year's model [TS]

  and whatever showing is that people who had five rather than upgrade to six is chose to get last year's model [TS]

  and like those I think those numbers will be compelling to Apple [TS]

  but in the absence of those numbers of it just looks like I was the same as every year a couple deal by last year's [TS]

  phone and then more people buy the new one. [TS]

  It seems like if they wanted one in that size with you know if they wanted to keep one in that category they would have [TS]

  maybe done something to besides leaving the five S. and Five things like live there I don't like. [TS]

  If they come out with three different size phones will we have all freaked out two phones three phones [TS]

  but one phone more [TS]

  or less just like they have the manufacturing lines up for those other ones that is going to keep making them [TS]

  but once those age out and got a long battle because they saw in the forest somewhere in the world maybe. [TS]

  Anyway the lesson is they selling three point five inches anymore no they're not. [TS]

  So like if if their sales patterns match every every other sales pattern that they've done with a bump the size they [TS]

  will let the smaller size age out of the sales patterns [TS]

  and do not match that phenomenon where they're going to say oh now we have to backfill that with a different phone. [TS]

  Yeah I don't know I I'm with you on that. [TS]

  I think it will depend like right now for this next year at least or at least right now you can get a five S. [TS]

  Thirty two gig for one fifty on contract and that's a pretty good deal and it's a pretty good phone [TS]

  and in many respects it's very close to the six you know the going from the five S. [TS]

  To the six is if you if you don't care about the screen size difference. [TS]

  In other respects it's a fairly small difference except unfortunately the camera is noticeably better. [TS]

  I would also I would also add that the battery life. Even a couple weeks in M I six. [TS]

  Yes I understand it's a brand new battery Yes I understand the five S. [TS]

  Battery was a year old but I feel like the battery life is noticed. [TS]

  Better on my sex than I was which is rated higher than it like apples numbers put it higher right. [TS]

  I honestly don't know I think I think it's like an hour [TS]

  or two over any you know I was there before like the numbers when you look at them on Apple spec sheet. [TS]

  Oh the success wildly higher numbers than the five S. [TS]

  but Slightly higher like those hours they're showing even if it's one hire one extra hour feels like an eternity like [TS]

  oh my god I still have a whole hour to go on a phone it's amazing you know. [TS]

  So yeah like I said the new battery stuff last time a lot of people can bring the plane about that was to remind people [TS]

  that it's the data that advantage is going to be massively exaggerated with your one or two year old phone [TS]

  but I'm pretty sure Apple actually in the specs shows it as being yes the six gets better battery life a virus if you [TS]

  have They're both brand new out of the box. I think if enough people either buy the five S. [TS]

  In the next year like Moore's more than however many people usually buy the year old phone and if enough [TS]

  and you know say next year I wouldn't expect them to bring out a new four inch shown next year [TS]

  or next year's cycle all likelihood they'll be like you know the success and the success plus whatever [TS]

  but the year after that when it's time for a likely redesign for it onto your redesign cycle. [TS]

  I wouldn't surprise me if they if they had a smaller phone as part of that next three years [TS]

  and so I'm thinking for small Phone fans it's going to be a rough next two years or the next two years [TS]

  but then there might be something because the thing is like with this it's a screen size like there is not there's not [TS]

  a lot of ways they could have better executed the physical design of this phone that would've made the screen not be [TS]

  too big to the people who think the screen is too big today. [TS]

  Like I think the phones debate because there's already like they couldn't really make the phone that much smaller than [TS]

  what it is right now and still have the size screen so I think the six is too big for you. [TS]

  Any phone with a four point seven inch screen in the future is likely to be too big for you. I don't think they can. [TS]

  Fix this problem with design improvements. Really. [TS]

  So either the problem will go away [TS]

  and people will just deal with it because they want the other advantage of the phone [TS]

  or those people will start choosing not Apple phones which I'm sure Apple does not want. [TS]

  So we'll see what happens there I guess. [TS]

  So if Apple on either the success or the seven they bring back the four inch form factor. [TS]

  How do they spin that from a marketing perspective. [TS]

  They completely ignore it [TS]

  and they say call give it some cool name like i Phone Air i Phone many i Phone then they don't have to spend it because [TS]

  if they time it right all they'll be doing is making sure that they continue to have a phone of that size now lined up [TS]

  because they have phones as I was now lined up now the five C. or The actually go away for the five S. The five S. [TS]

  Goes away and at some point you replace it with your new four inch phone. [TS]

  Like I don't think that requires an explanation. [TS]

  We're good thanks what two or three sponsored this week Hava studio neat and square space [TS]

  and we will see you next week if it's even possible you're saying however even more indirectly even though I think I [TS]

  don't like like you're saying you're forcing the you even more than you were before. [TS]

  So I call going to be there so no I can't do it just because it's incorrect. That's why you can't do it. [TS]

  Now show is over and it was accidental accidental it was accidental. [TS]

  Thank you for not getting anywhere from twenty cents to that list and the. [TS]

  There are little more in the screen thing since now we have more time to run the action and that out of work. [TS]

  So again as I said earlier I want to bigger screen before we had bigger screen I really want this I was hoping to get [TS]

  one and we got one. [TS]

  However I kind of question the value of of relatively small screen size improvement [TS]

  or screen size increases under vices that you almost you almost always hold important [TS]

  or intuition because you pay a lot in phone size for the diagonal increases [TS]

  but you get so little horizontal space with each game like the horizontal size differences very small between these [TS]

  three models and I would argue that actually matters a lot more for a lot of things things like reading and [TS]

  and you know so a lot of applications. [TS]

  You know any kind of you know email kind of stuff you know with matter so much for all these apps. [TS]

  It is so often the limiting factor in how usable something is web pages stuff like that that here on that square [TS]

  Blackberry phone. Yeah. [TS]

  I can honestly I can see why some crazy person there thought that was a good idea I like it because you really like [TS]

  you're making you're making the phone so much bigger in ways that only really get you a little bit of verticals space. [TS]

  Well you know like you said you are the apps they get updated they have to have the apps [TS]

  and like with a few pixels does matter like suddenly layouts that were not feasible for become feasible due to the [TS]

  average length the average size of you know post titles Avatar images are really like it like you just need the [TS]

  software to be out there be that all you're doing is stretching existing i Phone You are like is on the scene that [TS]

  when you stretched overcast the i Pad then you're not getting it. [TS]

  Value out of those extra pixels but I think there are enough extra pixels that a U.I. [TS]

  Design for them can actually derive value from it. [TS]

  Maybe but there's there's also the factor that [TS]

  when you buy making the screen bigger You also had to abandon certain areas of the screen that are no longer easily [TS]

  reachable in your designs you have enough control [TS]

  and save us for this labor because like most of the larger sizes not so you know it hurts you in terms of control [TS]

  placement [TS]

  but it helps you in terms of how much information you put on the screen like the type of thing where if you're so used [TS]

  to using an app on the i Pad and you go use the i Phone version you're missing half the U.I. [TS]

  I like Oh yeah they can't show that part of the U.I. [TS]

  Even the landscape mode because they just don't have room [TS]

  and just feels like you're looking at the app through like an overlay with a cutout [TS]

  and you can only see the table view you can see the sidebar apps that are updated specially for the six plus [TS]

  but maybe also for the six it may take longer to do that for the six to say like OK we're in a world where I can assume [TS]

  that you're going to have it actually pixel well but I think that will make a difference [TS]

  and even of just simple things like you can read more text on a web page at the flick you know that type of thing. [TS]

  See but the thing is it's most obvious to me that the vertical real estate is a big deal. [TS]

  When I go to the messages app on Aaron's phone and yes some of that is horizontal. [TS]

  But I feel like a lot of the difference is I can see so much more context on my phone as to the last several messages [TS]

  that it's been sent [TS]

  or in my case the last several gifts that I can't see on Aaron's phone because the screen is vertically a lot shorter [TS]

  as well I think the biggest benefit of larger screen is for you know for people who have trouble seeing things on it's [TS]

  going to a little screen like that. [TS]

  Yeah the load and [TS]

  or just using a regular mobile cranking up the tech size both of those things the fact is you have really talked about [TS]

  much exists on both the sexes expose shows like not only we're going to give you a bigger thing [TS]

  but we're going to make it we're going to allow you to crank it even more [TS]

  and a large in only increasing proportion of the potential customer base. [TS]

  Has better vision in life is the things they are so right. What else is going on. [TS]

  Anything else for the after show are we going to wrap this somewhat early game cube controllers. [TS]

  I was hoping to avoid game to game cube controllers you know we can avoid it. [TS]

  Now you can have you can have your your minutes in the sun here. How can I even know what this is about. [TS]

  Neither do I now. [TS]

  Neither one of you [TS]

  and I know I know you're really excited about game controllers for some reason you to say I should say this [TS]

  when I go on gaming podcasts and they can talk about my controller stuff. OK I mean no I'd love to hear it. [TS]

  So what happened. It looks like they're like they're now for sale again. No there's no hona I don't I guess. [TS]

  Oh I see what this is. I understand why you guys of all this stuff. Yes it is a global level and gives us an adapter. [TS]

  Let's use a game two controllers like Smash Bros is coming out of the fighting game for its alpha three D.S. [TS]

  Coming out of the way you. [TS]

  It's very popular [TS]

  and for a while we've known that they're going to sell an adapter that lets you use your Game Cube controller with your [TS]

  review [TS]

  and they're selling a special Smash Brothers branded one with a little logo on it specifically for this purpose so that [TS]

  there's one thing [TS]

  and then they're going to reissue the game you controls for the logo on it saying We know you love playing smash those [TS]

  are the games you control in your game cube Here you go you'll be able to keep doing that on the way you are [TS]

  and that's kind of like kind of like if we decide about the i Phone being replaced and I go OK with a small [TS]

  and they're edging out it's time to make a new four inch version. [TS]

  And what they did instead was brought back the exactly the five S. and Like give you a way to use your five S. [TS]

  when I was ten. Right all right with I was nine or whatever the two at that point it would be like. [TS]

  Aren't you going to make a new like I know you like that phone size is good. [TS]

  Aren't you going to get a new small phone last year that you'd like to control it so much. [TS]

  We've given up on ever making a better control so we're going to bring back a little bit we're going to sell you a [TS]

  twenty dollars bill to use your old controller from whatever year that was two thousand. [TS]

  Then in one maybe two thousand and two. [TS]

  Just bring him back we're going to keep we'll keep making them we never really stop making numbers we making them again [TS]

  and I think it's OK I'm happy because the news is news now is that not only will you be able to use this game to [TS]

  control with Smash Bros which everybody knew [TS]

  but Apple Apple intent was officially announced that you will be able to use this Game Cube controller data of any game [TS]

  that supports the classic controller that we go as a controller pro [TS]

  and the way you broken trawler which is based like you have a virtual console game [TS]

  or some other game like this adapter isn't just the you know the only reason you'd buy the doctors if you have just one [TS]

  game be adaptable center allow you to your game controller [TS]

  and all the reasonable scenarios where you expect a Game Cube life controller to work [TS]

  and I'm very happy about that as I don't like the broken trawler for a variety of reasons but I'm also like this. [TS]

  This announcement makes me think a Nintendo is a myth. [TS]

  Admitting that the controller is crappy It's not like it's not shoddily made it's nicely made it looks nice it feels [TS]

  reasonably good [TS]

  but there's a reason people prefer the games you control which is inferior in many ways especially the deep game [TS]

  controllers a total write off like games you would throw it is not perfect [TS]

  but it is better overall I think in the program throw in the fact the Nintendo is really reissuing this controller [TS]

  and rich [TS]

  and making an adapter for us as we admit that our friends you know we are Pro Controller has not met with the enthusiasm [TS]

  that we hoped it would especially among people who like the games you control are [TS]

  and then there are further admitting that we can't do any better or we're not going to try to do any better right now. [TS]

  So over to do is let you use your old controller and that's kind of exciting [TS]

  and depressing at the same time because what you would expect them to do. [TS]

  Like we're expecting with the phones at the small of the popular make me a new four inch phone that is better than my [TS]

  old four inch phone that brings along all the things I liked about my four inch phone but is new [TS]

  and improved on the things that you respect like how about something it's like a game to it. But has a D. [TS]

  Pad that's worth a damn [TS]

  or you know fix the shoulder buttons to be more interesting in the game to children who they were a little bit weird I [TS]

  don't know. [TS]

  So it's happy news said this but all I know is I'm getting this adapter [TS]

  and I oughter already ordered two new Game Cube controllers so. [TS]

  Question Why are there to us be connectors on this [TS]

  and more importantly why are they different colors if you have one U.S.B. [TS]

  Connector is not enough for four controllers apparently. [TS]

  Who knows but I don't know I mean look at the look at the connectors on it's like this is ancient technology. [TS]

  You know before wireless before U.S.B. Controllers. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but you're still not answer my question why the hell would you make one green one black that's hitting you know I'm assuming [TS]

  that because you have to plug one into one board or one of the like they want you to differentiate them. [TS]

  Some are saying you want to date [TS]

  and one for power for the rumble in our forum both packs my best guess too does the way you only have two U.S.B. Ports. [TS]

  I think you know just that I have never played anything [TS]

  and my best guess is that they don't want you to be a little plug into these adapters. [TS]

  Now I just would say that I like the theory in the chat room that one is for power [TS]

  and one that you need two connectors to be able to powerful rumbles but who knows. But why make them. [TS]

  Why make them different colors. [TS]

  That's content so hitting maybe one has to be in one part of want to be in another I don't know I hope not. [TS]

  Amen to intend. You don't we can put anything past them. [TS]

  Well I got I got even ten of credit they're doing what they do best which is they're finding ways to make people buy [TS]

  large quantities of twenty and thirty dollars censorious. [TS]

  Yeah all of it like I was posting on Twitter I was looking for some control of your plans and Game Cube games [TS]

  and the Alex take eventually whereas out of these things if you use it long enough I gets loose and sloppy [TS]

  and so I was looking for some new ones to buy [TS]

  and you can still buy a white one which they made specially for that we are with a longer cord [TS]

  and Wells can you buy it. I think I've seen some black one saying RAM but they made them in. [TS]

  A variety of colors if you are one of the fancy colors and you want a new in box not used. [TS]

  It's extremely hard to find you can really find it like two hundred dollars on e Bay you know new in the box. [TS]

  Platinum or spice games you controllers [TS]

  or wave bird similar the wireless version version of those things are very expensive if you want the new Like They're [TS]

  collector's item to this point so them reissuing them with the Smash Brothers logo on it I didn't want Valens I don't [TS]

  want to Smash Brothers logo on top of that I have and it was also black and boring so I bought a white one [TS]

  and then on e Bay I bought a silver one which is supposedly new in the box. [TS]

  We'll see if that turns out to be the case [TS]

  but yeah I would I would really like them to make a new controller that's better than a game controller. [TS]

  But so far they have not done that. [TS]

  All right I feel better for having no control right now I'm playing all your favorite Game Cube games are my favorite [TS]

  game. I don't think I ever played any game cube games but I don't mind a flashback to F. [TS]

  A zero on the Super Nintendo recently which I loved. I missed that game. [TS]

  Yeah that would be you know they were so they could issue a an adapter for any assassin is controllers you can buy them [TS]

  online now I know about like they sell they sell any S. and S. [TS]

  and He has games on there you know the Virtual Console thing [TS]

  and yet they want you to play them with these variety of remade controllers [TS]

  and so that's a case where you would want to know that it's not a game obviously having a pin [TS]

  or sixteen bit game you want the original control it is the whole point is the style fine [TS]

  but here I feel like this just make a better controller. [TS]