00:00:06 ◼ ► and some Finder windows finder one of the last things to get spares off of them is are you talking to your friend like [TS]
00:00:15 ◼ ► and why I want to know the spinners that are in the upper right corner of a Finder window [TS]
00:00:19 ◼ ► when it's trying to just display the contents not the here is a fake screen shot of a window [TS]
00:00:28 ◼ ► and how you give us if they don't seem to work is spinning this in about four million files on them literally [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► If the chrome tabs die with the frowny face because they just assume the world is broken they give up you get to see [TS]
00:00:47 ◼ ► Something Mozilla even know that I like it so it's so bogged down that they can't balance. [TS]
00:00:52 ◼ ► Now there's a so there's a certain I don't know if it's a number of bounces or a number of time [TS]
00:00:56 ◼ ► Gives up animating the bounce you know doesn't mean the apples hung in there that may eventually launch those just like [TS]
00:01:04 ◼ ► and it just gives up found still no light under it it's still the process of launching Eventually the little indicator [TS]
00:01:12 ◼ ► That's amazing part of the reason I haven't upgraded my machines because it's so fast [TS]
00:01:16 ◼ ► and usable because it has a platter drive and I just don't want to deal with and I've almost but S.S.D. [TS]
00:01:21 ◼ ► So many times so many. Well actually if you want to good deal on a new MacPro God save it for the show. [TS]
00:01:34 ◼ ► and if you think you're willing to wait long enough right on an infinite time coach she says here we go that's not how [TS]
00:01:48 ◼ ► but I'm trying to trim it further for today show the one thing I wanted to follow up on was on the last week show it [TS]
00:01:55 ◼ ► was so long ago now because we delayed the show for the Apple event. I was excited about. [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► The fact of the Game Cube controller adapter for the way you was going to let me use my game controller for any game on [TS]
00:02:09 ◼ ► when I saw that on some random web site I didn't believe it and I said I need confirmation of this [TS]
00:02:14 ◼ ► and the website link to back to Nintendo's official website that's owned by the company [TS]
00:02:20 ◼ ► and write their plain text unintended on Web site it said that yes you can use your games you control over the Captain [TS]
00:02:27 ◼ ► Pro Controller and I was very excited Emerick recorded last week's podcast and then right after the podcast is over [TS]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and all the articles that cited in kind of itself if you're a corrections that oh no just kidding actually you can only [TS]
00:02:43 ◼ ► use a verse Matt rather sorry about that. So I was sad. Well it makes me sad that you were sad. [TS]
00:02:49 ◼ ► I went like this just the worst ever you know the kind of the rumours where you don't trust it until you see it it's [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► like seeing something on Apple dot com saying you know you know you can use the the new i Macin the retina display for [TS]
00:03:03 ◼ ► and then the next day Apple says actually no you can't sorry that was a mistake on our website. Nice. [TS]
00:03:09 ◼ ► Right do we want to talk about the event first or do we want to talk about your view first. [TS]
00:03:20 ◼ ► when we have time for both of them because we've only done that one item a follow up so you can pick which one you want [TS]
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00:04:40 ◼ ► Where you're actually like there's no more separation of like the dashboard back end [TS]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and the front with your content you actually edit your content live right there in your template on your site. [TS]
00:04:51 ◼ ► It's really amazing what they've managed to pull off here you can preview everything that we're in this response if you [TS]
00:04:56 ◼ ► can like shrink the window down and you'll see how your site will look on smaller screens [TS]
00:04:59 ◼ ► and they will simulate an i Phone with a midnight Pad view it's really extremely impressive what they've managed to do [TS]
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00:05:17 ◼ ► Can you put it up temporarily just like celebrate like your boss your week or you can leave it there forever [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► and seven they had this cool thing with Getty Images where you can buy some stock we're talking for just ten bucks you [TS]
00:05:33 ◼ ► and you can you can embed the images right there in your page even if you just document for something that you're doing [TS]
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00:06:26 ◼ ► and yesterday there was another Apple event this time talking about a lot of stuff we already knew about [TS]
00:06:34 ◼ ► and then some new i Pads And I think the first thing I should note is that the streaming for me [TS]
00:06:48 ◼ ► No no it's new it's now the i Pad Mini two it got upgraded. Yeah that's true it is new. [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► Yet the same anyway so it's streaming to i Pad Mini which is connected to my Dafter to a T.V. [TS]
00:07:04 ◼ ► and that was a welcome change from the utter disaster that was the i Phone keynote [TS]
00:07:09 ◼ ► and I want to ask you guys do you think it's because nobody cared about the i Pad keynote [TS]
00:07:15 ◼ ► Or do you think that Apple actually got their stuff together or a little calm a little company. [TS]
00:07:20 ◼ ► Well I'd say it's definitely a lot of calm and maybe a little bit of can be a mean. [TS]
00:07:26 ◼ ► Every year the i Phone event is always by far the more important and the more the more watched [TS]
00:07:33 ◼ ► and listen to one like if you asked if you have people who are on the big sites who do live blogs they'll tell you the [TS]
00:07:38 ◼ ► same thing where like the the i Phone event is by far the bigger event of the year. [TS]
00:07:45 ◼ ► but it's it's a lot fewer non nerds who will actually go to the trouble of watching the stream live. [TS]
00:07:55 ◼ ► but even if there was only one person listening they would have heard someone speaking in Chinese over half. [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Right so that's not a performance problem that's a you don't have your wires crossed kind of problem. [TS]
00:08:08 ◼ ► and you go think of the home field advantage their words their database their database their network connection their [TS]
00:08:13 ◼ ► network people all their own infrastructure their video guys where it seemed like there was a T.V. [TS]
00:08:19 ◼ ► Truck that perhaps was not affiliated with Apple and it was involved in the i Watch event. [TS]
00:08:25 ◼ ► I can still call the i Watch event because we call it that before we knew where the thing would be called so it's going [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► Anyway I don't know if that's the case but it just seemed like when they did that or in the Flint Center [TS]
00:08:37 ◼ ► and there's other big venue they don't have control over every part of the experience of broadcasting [TS]
00:08:45 ◼ ► or wherever they did the i Pad event they control everything so yeah no problems with streaming here I had a running on [TS]
00:08:52 ◼ ► Then the game I played was trying to get stream its brother ahead because one stream would be like you know seven [TS]
00:08:58 ◼ ► seconds ahead of the other one and I'd reloaded just for the hell of it to see if you jump forward [TS]
00:09:14 ◼ ► but always visible because I'm a really heavy user of what is that space is where you know you have multiple virtual [TS]
00:09:23 ◼ ► and I engaged the pin the timeline to the top thing for you know if there's a better way of describing that it anyways. [TS]
00:09:31 ◼ ► So basically as all these tweets come in the timeline is always automatically scrolling to the top [TS]
00:09:40 ◼ ► and worst way to watch this keynote because I felt like I was thoroughly entertained by watching all these tweets go by [TS]
00:09:49 ◼ ► with the exception of a thousand freakin dogs which I was really bored of very quickly [TS]
00:09:53 ◼ ► but then again so were the dogs and and so it was almost more work watching the Twitter stream. [TS]
00:10:15 ◼ ► or putting a bullet point a slider like here let's show you why I was there to get it for you kidding me you knew there [TS]
00:10:20 ◼ ► was not going to be a big exciting one more thing at the end of this you know this is going to be this little dog [TS]
00:10:30 ◼ ► but like I like I don't know why you need I guess they feel like they have a captive audience [TS]
00:10:34 ◼ ► but why do you need to redemonstrate Iowa Zaidan in Yosemite that long for this type of thing just getting get out be [TS]
00:10:41 ◼ ► done anyway. It wasn't that bad but I was fine. So they did all these demos I do think that. [TS]
00:10:49 ◼ ► and I've said this several times in the past is my favorite presenter he pulls off the really dorky kind of dad jokes. [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► Tries to win it doesn't always land well which is probably how it would be if I was presenting these jokes [TS]
00:11:05 ◼ ► but nevertheless I love Craig I think he does a wonderful job presenting I know I've said this a thousand times [TS]
00:11:12 ◼ ► but he's so much better now than he ever used to be and I will never forget that first presentation [TS]
00:11:18 ◼ ► and Kashi so much better now it's almost you could almost say that it's that I appreciate him more having seen that [TS]
00:11:29 ◼ ► and I thought the call with Stephen Colbert there as these silly ridiculous calls go was one of the better ones. [TS]
00:11:36 ◼ ► So who's obsessed with the celebrities whose would we think of Tim Cook as a test of the celebrities I don't know it's [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► So I mean someone is because Steve Jobs was not in jail as Steve Jobs like they have a musical guest at the end the new [TS]
00:11:51 ◼ ► but really really limited amount of you know stunt casting in the keynote because you know Steve Jobs is the star of [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Now it's like who you know that it's just you just come to expect it now and I thought the Colbert thing was fine. [TS]
00:12:07 ◼ ► Like the problem with having called bear on is even over a phone which I couldn't believe they did over a phone he [TS]
00:12:12 ◼ ► wasn't over didn't sound like he was over voice over IP The quality was terrible like he was on a POTS line it sounded [TS]
00:12:21 ◼ ► or four little stilted lines he had to read it like see you guys this is what an actual performer you know I don't [TS]
00:12:28 ◼ ► blame their executives at Apple like they're not actor they're not comedians which is probably why they shouldn't do [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► comedies gets in the middle of these things like don't plan it out be spontaneously funny [TS]
00:12:41 ◼ ► when reading this silly script was so much better than the other side of the conversation so don't don't bring real [TS]
00:12:49 ◼ ► but I thought I was fine all the people who are like Marco just know a lot of people are cringing [TS]
00:12:53 ◼ ► and couldn't handle the embarrassment of whatever I mean even even the silly thing with Bondo like that that was [TS]
00:13:01 ◼ ► and panels are not natural in the environment of trying to wear if I plus comedy plus drama plus whatever trying to do [TS]
00:13:13 ◼ ► Craig was fine the little handshake thing I thought was funny you know I think you know being able to do it that you [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► guys had to do the handshake were funny. Oh I forgot about that that was even worse. [TS]
00:13:25 ◼ ► and I was going on showing the rumor site with the spaceship campus taking off those dumb [TS]
00:13:30 ◼ ► but I got I just was so excited to think about someone had to go to their graphics department [TS]
00:13:37 ◼ ► and then they can also be rather more like the quality of that fake flying campus building rumor thing with so much [TS]
00:13:49 ◼ ► That's a that's an area where they can help like Kobe on The Daily Show that he has got over the others [TS]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and moshing graphics or some little picture to be up to the right of the talking head in five minutes [TS]
00:13:58 ◼ ► or example some poor got out of our league. Well over the flying circular building. [TS]
00:14:08 ◼ ► and we didn't expect great things out of this presentation anyway and so we got what we got right. [TS]
00:14:14 ◼ ► I would rather have a presentation that's ten minutes shorter than have one that includes awkward [TS]
00:14:28 ◼ ► I would cut it in for a video showing it will be happy to get i Phones never do that again. [TS]
00:14:35 ◼ ► I would cut all the demos of things we've already seen demo because this is a low you know not many people are watching [TS]
00:14:40 ◼ ► this the people who are watching it already know the Iowa State is about don't read them [TS]
00:14:44 ◼ ► or that maybe do a little recap of Yosemite fine and then I would keep whatever the best segment was. [TS]
00:15:04 ◼ ► Is like them or they just want to find excuses to talk their favorite celebrities which I wouldn't blame them for. [TS]
00:15:10 ◼ ► One What advantages are there of being a senior vice president or C.E.O. Of Apple. [TS]
00:15:22 ◼ ► when Tim is involved you can see he's like getting yelled at like how incredibly happy he is [TS]
00:15:28 ◼ ► and like no one else is nearly as excited as he is about what's you know like I think it's definitely you could tell it [TS]
00:15:35 ◼ ► you know Cook is the one who's really into celebrities and that's why they keep happening. [TS]
00:15:54 ◼ ► There's no reason to bring them down in this weird awkward way like it I don't know I. [TS]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Yes I don't see why it's worth it. See I disagree more with John in that although they were kind of silly and lame. [TS]
00:16:08 ◼ ► At least it shows that Apple has a little bit of personality and it's not just a completely boring stodgy. [TS]
00:16:25 ◼ ► But it's at least add some amount of entertainment end and cold Bears line about you know what I see on my return [TS]
00:16:38 ◼ ► but the problem you know like as John said the problem isn't the delivery overall of the whole thing is usually like [TS]
00:16:44 ◼ ► too slow too forced to awkward and you know and whether that side of just the Apple people [TS]
00:16:50 ◼ ► but they don't need it because it doesn't see it doesn't seem to me like they're treating their commuting personality [TS]
00:16:56 ◼ ► or adding personality to me it seems forced to script because you know we know these things are very scripted We know [TS]
00:17:01 ◼ ► they've rehearsed we know we know they're almost every line is considered and written before hand. [TS]
00:17:09 ◼ ► Yeah I had to read this like they give him a script and he looks at and goes Oh this is crap [TS]
00:17:17 ◼ ► or maybe they approved it whatever the case is it's very clear these things are at least on the Apple side extremely [TS]
00:17:24 ◼ ► scripted and extremely rehearsed and they're read an extremely slow pace which is good [TS]
00:17:30 ◼ ► when you're presenting details of a product that the press has to write down what you're doing as some kind of like [TS]
00:17:35 ◼ ► entertainment bit. It just feels really awkward forced and it doesn't feel to me it doesn't feel genuine. [TS]
00:17:42 ◼ ► It feels like we thought this would get you excited. And we're kind of excited to do something with a celebrity. [TS]
00:17:49 ◼ ► So we're doing it in this like planned artificial forced way but it does not feel genuine at all. [TS]
00:18:10 ◼ ► and I don't think the filler is the problem of the voids it's the problem like there was it was I was many times [TS]
00:18:15 ◼ ► or whatever Steve Jobs showed something there was some aspect of it that he was obviously super excited about [TS]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and he was whatever it was excited about a volume button is excited about you know the edge of something is excited [TS]
00:18:34 ◼ ► and his enthusiasm despite whether you yourself were excited I was infectious you need something on that to drive the [TS]
00:18:41 ◼ ► and sometimes I get the idea that like at this point you know Craig Federighi is no longer a particular excited about [TS]
00:18:48 ◼ ► Iowa said extensions because he's like that he's done with them like he was excited about doing them he did them he's [TS]
00:19:05 ◼ ► I was about I was extensions what they mean for the I.R.S. Platform it's not like that. [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► So to fill in that void of enthusiasm that's like God now will have a celebrity skit because they are excited about [TS]
00:19:17 ◼ ► and that's that I think is the worst part of it not this gets in themselves which is that they they seem to be filling [TS]
00:19:26 ◼ ► Nary a thought about actual products that we certainly can't so they wrecked conned my beloved retina Padmini [TS]
00:19:50 ◼ ► I got that right I think and what they dropped the price one hundred dollars Is that correct. [TS]
00:19:55 ◼ ► Not even not even rise to forty is to forty nine right. No that's that's that's the. [TS]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Old one which is still for sale which is crazy that they are still for another year [TS]
00:20:05 ◼ ► or at least for now they are still selling the A five based i Pad Mini one which is based on the i Pad two which came [TS]
00:20:20 ◼ ► I mean even though they didn't announce a new one they're still selling the old one I assume. Yeah. [TS]
00:20:24 ◼ ► So this as a developer that makes me nervous and a little frustrated because you know the A five was a great chip [TS]
00:20:32 ◼ ► when it came out in twenty eleven in early twenty seven at that but it is now no longer a great chip [TS]
00:20:39 ◼ ► but it is you know if anybody tries to run I was eight on an original I have had many an i Pad three which is the same [TS]
00:20:48 ◼ ► a five C.P.U. With bigger G.P.U. So I've had many number and I've had three any i Pod and the i Phone four S. [TS]
00:20:59 ◼ ► If you tried to run I was on an A five device you know that that's not a great experience it works [TS]
00:21:08 ◼ ► And that's because there are now still selling devices that use that that means that chances are it's a I would say [TS]
00:21:21 ◼ ► when I was nine comes out is I was nine going to still need to support this because they're still going to be selling [TS]
00:21:33 ◼ ► It's especially bad for game developers or anybody who depends on a lot of G.P.U. Power. [TS]
00:21:38 ◼ ► The funny thing is I think they showed in the presentation that with that wonderful big hockey stick graph of the [TS]
00:21:47 ◼ ► and the hilarious thing is that all these models that they're still selling the second dot on that graph that's them [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Developers can't do anything with their apps to basically not make it work on the five devices that is correct develop. [TS]
00:22:07 ◼ ► Developers cannot exclude a five devices they just there's there's no there's no mechanism to developers use to hack [TS]
00:22:14 ◼ ► around this by like they'd figure out like some hardware feature that was added like oh well this requires a virus [TS]
00:22:19 ◼ ► scope didn't exist in like the i Phone three G.S. Really they would figure out ways like that. [TS]
00:22:30 ◼ ► So if Apple caught you doing that like executing based on a harbor thing that you didn't really need to be excluding [TS]
00:22:39 ◼ ► and it's such frickin avail pursue rely on this because not only do they have to either still support the eighty five [TS]
00:22:45 ◼ ► devices which is a huge burden on any kind of modern graphics and you know modern stuff like that [TS]
00:22:50 ◼ ► or they have to like say in the description which many of them do. Warning do not buy this if you have devices X. Y. [TS]
00:23:09 ◼ ► and like it's just it's a bad situation for for so many reasons this is why I like I think you know we know in the [TS]
00:23:19 ◼ ► and strategy tax basically like you know some some part of a big tech company like their strategic needs are holding [TS]
00:23:29 ◼ ► She teaches needs and you know when you look at Microsoft this is like you know Office and Windows fighting [TS]
00:23:36 ◼ ► and having to like you know preserve windows everywhere holding back their mobile strategy and stuff like that. [TS]
00:23:46 ◼ ► and someone's someone deciding that they need to keep pushing devices lower and lower and keep them around longer [TS]
00:23:53 ◼ ► That is the Apple strategy tax that we're seeing you know besides they're being massively overcommitted on on software [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► It doesn't doesn't have to be though because like a I think it's good for them to have a cheap product they're big [TS]
00:24:07 ◼ ► and it's not like they don't fall out of their strategy of we need to be to forty nine for i Pad The problem is that [TS]
00:24:17 ◼ ► They just refuse to make a fresh low cost the vice they always just go with last years [TS]
00:24:26 ◼ ► Was coming out that I thought they should do it and they kind of there were the five C. [TS]
00:24:28 ◼ ► but Not quite like you can make a better product at that price point if you use modern technology like I know that you [TS]
00:24:40 ◼ ► and I guess maybe it is MARTIN Like you said give up a little bit of margins make a new two hundred forty nine dollars [TS]
00:24:46 ◼ ► device that you know has an A six or a seven it figure out a way to do that like start from scratch [TS]
00:24:52 ◼ ► and make intentionally low cost a vise so save money where you can use it grab your camera so on and so forth [TS]
00:24:58 ◼ ► but don't just say well we have this device and now we can make it for cheaper so done [TS]
00:25:02 ◼ ► and done with just keep it around because things age out and that old hardware and like the old U.S.B. One U.S.B. [TS]
00:25:09 ◼ ► Two examples on the P.C. Roll from ages ago eventually becomes more expensive to put U.S.B. One in your P.C. [TS]
00:25:17 ◼ ► One anymore and there's no real cause of that for i OS devices but just if you take a clean sheet [TS]
00:25:25 ◼ ► and modern prices on components can I hit that price point give up a little bit of margin just make a better product a [TS]
00:25:31 ◼ ► better product because it gives a better impression to your customers maybe put a little more RAM [TS]
00:25:46 ◼ ► and it isn't it isn't just keeping around the old it's even the choices you get with the new so for instance the [TS]
00:25:52 ◼ ► sixteen sixty four one twenty eight split where already went through that I mean they did it again [TS]
00:25:57 ◼ ► but it's like what do we expect them to do they're not going to. Like that decision was made you know a year ago. [TS]
00:26:02 ◼ ► Well and the reason they made that decision was not so they could make an extra three dollars on the sixteen gig [TS]
00:26:09 ◼ ► but not put in a third to get chip in and is trying to push you up to the middle model right. [TS]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and they did an amazing trick with the new i Phone pricing they have managed to increase their afterlife the average [TS]
00:26:22 ◼ ► Because so you figure like so many people would have been OK with thirty two if thirty two was the new baseline. [TS]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Most people would have bought just the baseline that's why I don't know this plan is going to work about do you think [TS]
00:26:34 ◼ ► it's going to work do you think it's going to push people up I know that's that seems like it's the aim it's a typical [TS]
00:26:39 ◼ ► but I just wonder if people are going to be like I don't I don't know how how flexible people are to go after the [TS]
00:26:45 ◼ ► people who buy the bottom out to be even know they know how much storage they're using to the no sixteen of what they [TS]
00:26:54 ◼ ► I suspect most i Phone owners have run out of space before so that I think like people buying their very first i Phone [TS]
00:27:01 ◼ ► might not be fooled might be might be devoted to getting a sixteen but I think people who are buying their second [TS]
00:27:07 ◼ ► or fourth i Phone are going to be way more likely to go for a bigger size than the base model because they probably [TS]
00:27:21 ◼ ► and the other half of that is so they have that they have this sixteen sixty four thing so that you know if they're going [TS]
00:27:32 ◼ ► They have kind of pushed a lot of people to go to market and to raise their average selling price that way. [TS]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Also keep in mind the i Phone six plus is one hundred dollars more and they're selling a lot of those as well. [TS]
00:27:44 ◼ ► So this entire entire pricing of the i Phone line is I think very carefully designed to push that average selling price [TS]
00:27:52 ◼ ► upwards and if you look at the new i Pad lineup you can see that you know when when the when the first mini came out. [TS]
00:28:06 ◼ ► But if you look at the line of so you have the old crappy i Pad Mini at two fifty nine wasn't it. [TS]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and I remember some like that Retina i Pad is now three hundred instead of four hundred. [TS]
00:28:23 ◼ ► The i Pad Mini three which is just the retina mini but now also available in gold and with Touch ID no other changes. [TS]
00:28:32 ◼ ► GOLD GOLD option and Touch ID one hundred dollars more and then you have the i Pad Air the [TS]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and then the i Pad Air two actually a substantial upgrade for five hundred dollars the original price of [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► and for that i Pad all of this and of course the same six hundred sixty four and most of the models. [TS]
00:28:55 ◼ ► So all of this is clearly made to push people up the line and this is very carefully designed for upselling. [TS]
00:29:06 ◼ ► Like if you look at their pricing intervals they're very very carefully spaced out so that there's always something [TS]
00:29:13 ◼ ► or a sales force you can talk yourself into to go like I'll get one of the mortgage for this I can tell you the [TS]
00:29:20 ◼ ► and that is on one side of Apple the hardware profit margins side of it where they need to maximize that. [TS]
00:29:35 ◼ ► Keep in mind not only is that affecting all of us who Apple could kind of not care less about you know if if life is a [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► but Apple itself is one of the biggest I was developers if not the biggest I was developer [TS]
00:29:56 ◼ ► when they are doing all of their own development to develop development the O.S.'s. [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► What the O S can even do Apple is restricted by their own hardware margin needs on their development side [TS]
00:30:08 ◼ ► and that that affects a lot of things. It also affects the whole the whole problem with. [TS]
00:30:15 ◼ ► and the very likely cause of it being a disk space issue that occurred in the Iowa state requires almost five gigs of [TS]
00:30:22 ◼ ► free space and Apple has been selling eight and sixteen gig devices in Mass for a long time [TS]
00:30:29 ◼ ► and there's the percentage of people who who can't do it over and yes I know you can play and i Tunes [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► but no one knows that no one does that the amount of people who have an Iowa seven device [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► Apple skimping on memory to say two to boost their margins and drive people to hire models. [TS]
00:30:55 ◼ ► Now that is affecting them this year that's affecting the development teams and so this is all related. [TS]
00:30:59 ◼ ► This is why it's a clear strategy tax like the hardware margin side of Apple is restricting [TS]
00:31:16 ◼ ► One thing I take a little bit of issue with though is is your thought that a lot of regular people would get not the [TS]
00:31:28 ◼ ► and I think in the same way like you just said that not a lot of people realize where you can plug in Titans [TS]
00:31:35 ◼ ► I don't think a lot of people really get into the intricacies of which I found to buy [TS]
00:31:45 ◼ ► but certainly I've worked around the office over the last year as the five C. Became a thing as the five S. [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► Was the thing and now it's the six and six plus earthing. I believe one of my coworkers got the exact same phone I did. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► The six with sixty four gigs. Another one just got a six and because she is still on a family plan with her family. [TS]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and picked up a phone for she didn't even know what capacity it was now this is just one example [TS]
00:32:13 ◼ ► but it's an indicative example Additionally there have been a handful of people that have shown up with five Cs now I [TS]
00:32:21 ◼ ► can think of any developers that have. But Manson has one now yeah that's true. I just met my office but yeah. [TS]
00:32:33 ◼ ► and these are people who work in in an environment a developing company and we do software consulting and yeah [TS]
00:32:39 ◼ ► and so if there was a quote unquote regular person that would understand why you would want a bigger phone these are [TS]
00:32:46 ◼ ► the people that that would do that but they don't get them and I wonder I haven't again I've been asked [TS]
00:32:51 ◼ ► but I wonder if maybe it's because you know it's hard to justify getting a hundred or two hundred or three hundred [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► or seven hundred dollar i Phone over this equally pretty looking Android phone that's like either free [TS]
00:33:08 ◼ ► And Heck now that I'm thinking of it pretty much Erin's entire family is all on Android. [TS]
00:33:16 ◼ ► but generally speaking because those phones were considerably cheaper than i Phones [TS]
00:33:25 ◼ ► That being said I agree with you that if somebody would have wanted to upgrade at all [TS]
00:33:31 ◼ ► or was at all privy to the fact that sixteen Gates is not a lot they are absolutely without a shadow of a doubt going [TS]
00:33:39 ◼ ► Is pretty awesome though like in terms of like not entirely know what's wrong with it right [TS]
00:33:46 ◼ ► and it's really comfortable like there is a man we got one I assume is because it's just nicer to hold like it if they [TS]
00:33:51 ◼ ► had made for example a new low end i Pad Mini plastic color back a six or a seven. As that of an A five. [TS]
00:34:05 ◼ ► Right because like you can't underestimate the attractiveness if you if you don't make it incredibly crippled by Give [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► it a gigabyte or something five C. You know that plastic is durable it's attractive it's comfortable it's cheap. [TS]
00:34:19 ◼ ► If you're going to give a little i Pad to a kid comes in colors these are all big selling points that are right there [TS]
00:34:25 ◼ ► right in front of Apple for it to grab and because the five C. Didn't do as well as they hoped. [TS]
00:34:30 ◼ ► As far as we can tell like it was hobbled by other reasons by the fact that it was alongside the much more desirable [TS]
00:34:44 ◼ ► and not really improving it it was just like the five in a different case maybe with a slightly bigger battery. [TS]
00:34:49 ◼ ► I just wish they would make dedicated products for lower price points instead of just having this cascade [TS]
00:34:56 ◼ ► and the thing with the the storage the RAM like Pick any speculate that we complain about all the time. [TS]
00:35:03 ◼ ► This is been sure about Paul for so long for you know since the ninety's since even before Steve Jobs came back Apple [TS]
00:35:10 ◼ ► as a company will get it into its head that like some number is the correct number for some spec where there is going [TS]
00:35:21 ◼ ► and four megabytes a ram it will be fine and then the next year the bottom line all four megabytes of RAM [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► and you'll be looking around go everyone else doesn't have four mags of them in the next year will come in the bottom [TS]
00:35:31 ◼ ► line for my right to ram you like OK Is Apple not looking at the rest of the world. [TS]
00:35:36 ◼ ► when I go through this intel intelligence seems insane you're like Surely this year the longer they don't then finally [TS]
00:35:42 ◼ ► and it's been that way you know with Apple's actually in a good cycle of the RAM Now they're not really skimping there [TS]
00:35:51 ◼ ► Someone got into their head that you know sixteen gigs is perfectly good for the low end model [TS]
00:35:56 ◼ ► but to keep doing that year after year after year sixteen sixteen sixteen the rest of the. [TS]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and something else out of the fence so at the very least those people buy something just buy some cheap [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and probably slow and probably grabbing whatever complain about your S.D. Cards at least they have to buy a faster S.D. [TS]
00:36:15 ◼ ► Card they want to spend the money they have the option to lease upgraded Apple things are completely sealed up [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► and so now we're in like the tail end of the sixteenth cycle where it's just it's crazy that they're doing [TS]
00:36:27 ◼ ► and if you want to pick out something to blame on the stereotypical Tim Cook you know character attributes the fact [TS]
00:36:34 ◼ ► that he's a operations guy and was like you know make all the numbers add up on the columns [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► and you know make sure that you're getting the best price for the best parts and the most efficiencies and everything. [TS]
00:36:51 ◼ ► or not whether it's other people just like because again those type of things that are novel for a really long time [TS]
00:36:59 ◼ ► but it is exactly in line with his you know sort of his expertise at keeping costs down [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► and so it's really it's like Marko said it's hard starting Apple tarting customers it's not a good call. [TS]
00:37:17 ◼ ► Yeah and it isn't again like it isn't sixteen is not the minimum sixteen is the lowest that they you [TS]
00:37:22 ◼ ► and they do a new device that they still say they will sold by says with eight still. [TS]
00:37:26 ◼ ► Now now that I'm home I like the flagship product if you can get the flagship product with sixteen [TS]
00:37:32 ◼ ► and you get a flood like you know the world moves on prices go down like it's just you just hurting yourself. [TS]
00:37:39 ◼ ► and it has to impact Tim's customer set you have to imagine that you know the experience of using a memory constrained [TS]
00:37:54 ◼ ► It has to be causing increased look at the Genius Bar. It is definitely causing worse experiences. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► People to have worse opinions of their Apple products when they weren't like constant disk space is used up like that. [TS]
00:38:05 ◼ ► Is affected another way that that's where I think this is long term I think it's a bad move [TS]
00:38:10 ◼ ► but I think the learn from the so they didn't even know it for a couple weeks now. [TS]
00:38:26 ◼ ► and Iowa seven you know to me like to that specific a show a big number because Iowa state adoption is slower [TS]
00:38:33 ◼ ► and agrarian and the decision to go with the sixteenth was probably made a year or two ago. [TS]
00:38:38 ◼ ► but the one ramification that I think ABOL can clearly see is I was a wrestler as it is because of the bugs. [TS]
00:38:48 ◼ ► Like in their big meeting where they talk about why does Iowa say that often slow. [TS]
00:38:56 ◼ ► but the other solution stops shipping sixteen gigs as a low end storage size for years and years. [TS]
00:39:02 ◼ ► So hopefully Apple being a learning machine that we think it is will come out of this [TS]
00:39:24 ◼ ► and then let's talk i Pad errors so it seems clear to me that unless you are in dire need of Touch ID on all your [TS]
00:39:33 ◼ ► devices I see no point in spending an extra hundred dollars in getting an i Pad Mini three I just I disagree with that. [TS]
00:39:43 ◼ ► I know the pricing is ridiculous. I know that is a ridiculous premium for you know for what for. [TS]
00:39:51 ◼ ► but it's just it's no more ridiculous than paying extra hundred dollars for an extra sixteen gigs of flash. [TS]
00:39:55 ◼ ► In terms of like the physics and the cost of materials that thing is. Likely is ridiculous right. [TS]
00:40:07 ◼ ► and having a mixed household with some touch Aramis makes personal repertoire of devices that mostly have Touch ID But [TS]
00:40:13 ◼ ► then the i Pad doesn't this is this is a case where I think much more so than the storage they are charging one hundred [TS]
00:40:24 ◼ ► and I think they're closer to being right that this benefit is where the hundred dollars that an extra sixty mg of [TS]
00:40:28 ◼ ► lateral well and they also had to overcome the problem they introduced last year when the i Pad Air [TS]
00:40:34 ◼ ► and retina mini came out which was that the retina air and the many of the air supposed to the higher end device [TS]
00:40:41 ◼ ► but they were very very similar because they both had the A seven they said they will have you know the same system on [TS]
00:40:52 ◼ ► and so the the many became just as high end of a device as the air did that that was the fluke last year where suddenly [TS]
00:41:00 ◼ ► the mini became Hyatt so that last year's many was it was a good deal relatively speaking. [TS]
00:41:05 ◼ ► Exactly and so this year they basically upgraded the air and not the mini to create that gap again. [TS]
00:41:13 ◼ ► It's all the cameras on press like they want to push people who want the best to not say well the i Pad Maybe it's just [TS]
00:41:22 ◼ ► Now if you want the best Apple wants you to go all the way to the top of the line and spend that money. [TS]
00:41:28 ◼ ► But that profit margin I can't blame them and that's business like that's saying they're evil for doing this. [TS]
00:41:33 ◼ ► I mean something like I think of the many with it with Touch ID Whatever the whole number that is three. [TS]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Not a bit is not a bad product like relatively speaking like they did have this tiny thing and they [TS]
00:41:45 ◼ ► but at least this one gives you like a real tangible benefit like that that's what they're charged money for [TS]
00:41:51 ◼ ► essentially at something you can I think it's something that people appreciate more this now where the hundred dollars [TS]
00:42:01 ◼ ► and they were trying to decide which i Pad Mini they should get you business go right for the budget. [TS]
00:42:08 ◼ ► Well look neat but I don't know that you know obviously you go for the cheaper model like it all comes [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► but if you happen to have one hundred dollars here or there is not going to break the bank [TS]
00:42:16 ◼ ► and they're willing to spend that amount of money I'm not going to say even though you can afford it even though you've [TS]
00:42:20 ◼ ► got the money in your pocket right now to buy the one you shouldn't because it's not worth it to give the Touch ID [TS]
00:42:25 ◼ ► center is now over the hundred dollars Well neither is sixteen gigs of RAM but quest [TS]
00:42:35 ◼ ► OK so I can get behind that assessment the reason though that I that I'm having and hawing about [TS]
00:42:42 ◼ ► and I love my i Pad Mini to think about that really hard I love my i Pad Mini two and it is not a touch I.D. [TS]
00:42:50 ◼ ► And honestly the only time I really miss Touch ID isn't when I'm unlocking the device but is instead [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► when I'm using one password because I have a reasonably long password in typing that constantly is a real pain in the [TS]
00:43:03 ◼ ► butt and so I agree with what you said that hey if you can afford one hundred dollars. [TS]
00:43:13 ◼ ► or die feature like say a retina screen was going to use your many if you using kind of like a phablet where you're [TS]
00:43:20 ◼ ► carrying it around with you then like because you know for the a locking unlocking obviously with a phone you do it all [TS]
00:43:32 ◼ ► and then it comes down to like Touch ID which I was going to get for like you know I was a son they make Touch I.D. [TS]
00:43:36 ◼ ► A much more useful thing that I was with i OS seven because now you know one password [TS]
00:43:41 ◼ ► and even if you never leave your house or that can be useful to someone on Twitter just mentioned that [TS]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and then fireballs well like Well Apple is you know is using such a huge portion of the world's whatever it is whether [TS]
00:43:56 ◼ ► it's the flash memory or RAM or whatever and that's why you know that i Phone six. [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Only has one gig of RAM or that's why they only put sixteen gigs of Flash or whatever and I think that's mostly B.S. [TS]
00:44:06 ◼ ► A because supply and demand are in a relationship with each other. Apple plans years and years ahead. [TS]
00:44:13 ◼ ► They pay for people to you know build factories to add to it like if you can if you someone is there to buy it. [TS]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and I thought well we're going to be can't plant anymore. Like every man there's a demand someone will. [TS]
00:44:39 ◼ ► and in all cases is so willing to sink huge amounts of capital up front to get the capacity to manufacture whatever is [TS]
00:44:45 ◼ ► the need at the volumes they need so I don't believe that supplies the product as far as I know there is no like [TS]
00:44:54 ◼ ► or whatever that is like capping the amount of available you know NAND capacity in the world other then the thing is [TS]
00:45:01 ◼ ► capping in is how what the orders were put in you know two three or four years ago [TS]
00:45:06 ◼ ► or whenever the current about you know I mean like there's a lead time and everything [TS]
00:45:09 ◼ ► but there are inputs into the system Apple is such a huge input that if you wanted to plan for say you know three years [TS]
00:45:16 ◼ ► from now all of our devices are going to have double the flash RAM they would start spending the money now chump on [TS]
00:45:22 ◼ ► and then she gets a blow be there for them so I still feel like this is a decision Apple makes about what they want [TS]
00:45:42 ◼ ► but the sponsorship is actually not for Mail Chimp it's for their e-mail service called Man Well it's email service too [TS]
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00:46:13 ◼ ► and everything so your entire team from developers to marketers can easily monitor [TS]
00:46:17 ◼ ► and evaluate e-mail performance now they have you know the Mail Chimp e-mail service is for sending newsletters [TS]
00:46:24 ◼ ► Mandrill is for transactional e-mail so this is this is things like if your app is sending e-mail like from your app to [TS]
00:46:33 ◼ ► So it's things like password resets welcome messages and you can also you can do things like marketing e-mail [TS]
00:46:39 ◼ ► and customize newsletters Butler mandrel really specializes in the those things like password reset [TS]
00:46:44 ◼ ► and those things really you have to get those to somebody it's very important that they get through all the spam [TS]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and everything that they get there quickly that they don't that they don't agree list at all that's all that stuff [TS]
00:46:54 ◼ ► and it's very very. And you need great integration with your software to do that you know because you need your apps. [TS]
00:47:00 ◼ ► We'll integrate with their E.P.I. Are their S.T.K. Feeler send these e-mails that a whole lot of effort. [TS]
00:47:06 ◼ ► So they have all the stuff set up for their very very developer friendly This is made for developers. [TS]
00:47:12 ◼ ► They have all these Web hooks that analytics all this crazy stuff on top of that come to the beautiful interface for [TS]
00:47:18 ◼ ► all the management stuff so they have flexible template options to for your messages themselves they have custom [TS]
00:47:25 ◼ ► They have all this advanced tracking events reporting mandrel is the only email infrastructure service for the mobile [TS]
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00:48:00 ◼ ► We get that fifty thousand password reset for a month. Hopefully you learned that forgetful but we all know they are. [TS]
00:48:22 ◼ ► And as someone who converted from a large i Pad to a mini i Pad To be honest I didn't find this that terribly exciting. [TS]
00:48:32 ◼ ► However the thing I thought most interesting are the two things I thought most interesting were the loss of the [TS]
00:48:43 ◼ ► and the apple sandwich wasn't even brought up during the keynote and I actually think that's the most intriguing to me. [TS]
00:48:53 ◼ ► Mobile Sam for my i Pad Mini two and it's actually came with a virus and Sam and I flipped the Sims back [TS]
00:49:02 ◼ ► and forth on a surprising regular basis for a device that I very rarely pay for solar data on [TS]
00:49:08 ◼ ► and I I really like being able to do that now unfortunately in this case Verizon isn't part of this Apple sim agreement [TS]
00:49:16 ◼ ► and it is fairly U.S. Centric I think what is it. Either that has it in the U.K. I believe it's pronounced easy. [TS]
00:49:31 ◼ ► and I really like the idea of it just as much as I dislike the idea of losing the rotation lock because I use that [TS]
00:49:50 ◼ ► Like I am not going to get any of these then. But I see I see why people like the i Pad but I don't. [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► I'm due to replace my i Pad three eventually is not really I have so many other issues the hardware issues that I'm [TS]
00:50:07 ◼ ► going to get one. But yeah like most good you know talked and past like about Apple being. [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► I'm more convinced than ever that bill is tied to numbers for you things like battery life I want to make it a [TS]
00:50:28 ◼ ► and if they can reach the target battery life while also making it thinner and that's what they do [TS]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and that's that is basically their very simple rule set so what's the target battery life for an i Pad ten hours can [TS]
00:50:37 ◼ ► hit ten hours and make it then yes we can. Done like I don't think is a lot of hemming and hawing. [TS]
00:50:42 ◼ ► Well we can get twelve hours of it make it if we give the sense that there's no the rule is hit the target. [TS]
00:50:48 ◼ ► Make it thinner. Can you do both you can good good job on this is all around. So ten hours I guess is fine. [TS]
00:50:55 ◼ ► I can't even imagine how thin that thing is going to be i Pad three to go to the store [TS]
00:51:00 ◼ ► and try to touch them I'm still kind of annoyed by you know the i Pad air's border being thin air because I always feel [TS]
00:51:12 ◼ ► and I always feel like my thing I know it's like I can't get a secure grip I was actually touching the screen [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and I just I think it will make the device a little less comfortable for me but anyway eventually I'll get one. [TS]
00:51:24 ◼ ► It's going to be some way faster than my i Pad three screens better lower glare thumbs up until they're going to get [TS]
00:51:31 ◼ ► and less by the time I buy one they make they introduce an i Pad approach something right so quick follow on question [TS]
00:51:41 ◼ ► I Pad And does that relate to whether or not you're going to be getting an i Phone I will get another L.T. [TS]
00:51:51 ◼ ► and I like it so yes I will pay whatever the insane ridiculous prices that they charge a super duper top of the line L [TS]
00:52:03 ◼ ► or whatever it was it was like a computer is worth and so I get my money's worth out of it [TS]
00:52:06 ◼ ► but yeah I always buy with cellular because I really want to vacation like a Basically I don't bring computers on [TS]
00:52:22 ◼ ► but oh my goodness I'm so glad I did now part of that probably relates to me not being able to tether to my phone [TS]
00:52:31 ◼ ► But but I still love having you know the i Pad and I suspect even if I could tether I would still get one right. [TS]
00:52:39 ◼ ► Anything else on the i Pad hardware I don't think I mean they did spend a lot of time in the presentation kind of [TS]
00:52:48 ◼ ► but again I think that is kind of their big marketing point for the i Pad Air too because there are not that many more [TS]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and I don't I don't oppose that strategy to that post a hypothetical while back about the thinness thing like it's a [TS]
00:53:09 ◼ ► Even they like the i Pad battery life no one is like mine full size i Pad a constant running out of battery like ten [TS]
00:53:20 ◼ ► You know where is the i Phone they like go where you know the i Phone battery life is so incredibly variable like if [TS]
00:53:26 ◼ ► you're an area with a low signal the thing is constantly searching and everything just kills your battery life [TS]
00:53:30 ◼ ► and then you did not want to be stranded without a phone whereas the i Pad ten hours has real solid ten hours. [TS]
00:53:39 ◼ ► and it's probably fine so I actually approve of the strategy is just that like every time they bring about how are [TS]
00:53:49 ◼ ► You know the other thing I want to briefly mention before we give Marco his two hours in the sun to talk about new [TS]
00:54:02 ◼ ► You know other people said that I rewash I don't think I was in there I mean she was always a little bit low key like I [TS]
00:54:08 ◼ ► but sure it's not I think that I think he was he was the way he always is I mean I felt like he was he's always reserve [TS]
00:54:17 ◼ ► but I felt like he was a little kind of going through the motions sometimes he seems distracted because it's like I [TS]
00:54:23 ◼ ► don't know what he's distracted by you you think you'd be distracted by fear of Steve Jobs later I was off stage [TS]
00:54:35 ◼ ► Let's knock out one more sponsor and then let's have Marco go on for two hours. That sounds great. [TS]
00:54:46 ◼ ► and I don't know that much about anyway I'm Ira view to get to exactly so our last sponsor is a glue Lou is an Internet. [TS]
00:54:57 ◼ ► but I don't trust that that you actually like also the heart of it Lou actually tackled that problem [TS]
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00:55:40 ◼ ► and even to actually even support blackberries. I assume that you can support that new square one. [TS]
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00:56:19 ◼ ► Even if that phone is a Blackberry plus redesign your igloo any change you make to the look [TS]
00:56:27 ◼ ► and has a mobile mobile in mind right from the start it was filed preview engine is also fully H.T.M.L. [TS]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and line you can add comments you can upload new versions or assign action items right from your phone. [TS]
00:56:46 ◼ ► It was also part of the Gartner Magic Quadrant which is very important for enterprise. [TS]
00:56:52 ◼ ► and your bosses read the Gartner Magic Quadrant report you can tell them that a Hulu is adequately enterprise because [TS]
00:57:01 ◼ ► They're now there for the sixth consecutive year alongside tech giants like Microsoft and I.B.M. [TS]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and Stuff like that in a report that values the size of the vendor which in garden terms means viability. [TS]
00:57:13 ◼ ► and customer experience really him to see that they have a quote here from Gardner's profile of able to see what it [TS]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and customization flexibility with self-service options for non-technical users control [TS]
00:57:36 ◼ ► So anyway if your company has a legacy Internet built on Share Point or other old portal technology [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► and this is not the fun kind of portal but again this is like the old kind of portal like Yahoo. [TS]
00:57:45 ◼ ► You should give it a try it is free to use for groups of of the ten people you can sign up at. [TS]
00:57:51 ◼ ► Igloo Software dot com slash A.T.P. Once again go to a glue Software dot com slash A.T.P. So thanks. [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Once you are sure once again they've been a long time friend and supporter of our show. [TS]
00:58:08 ◼ ► There was no i Pod Touch at this event we have no indication that an i Pod touch is coming [TS]
00:58:13 ◼ ► but oh yeah I thought exist so yeah the i Pod still thing so what is your plan with regard to smaller than i Pad mobile [TS]
00:58:27 ◼ ► or i Phone for a little while for someone because they took a lot of the functionality like the phone integration with [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► Yosemite they took that out of the eye with a builder out there so if you want to test it with if you had I was a G.M. [TS]
00:58:42 ◼ ► and You couldn't do it use a lot of these features you needed a point one So they sent me [TS]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and I soon as I got it I've been using it as my main actual phone so it's giving me a feel for what is going to be like [TS]
00:58:57 ◼ ► you know like I said I'll probably eventually I want to know about what choice do I have. [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► There's nothing to know enough for me to get and I'm going to I'm not I can't use that I buy that anymore [TS]
00:59:04 ◼ ► and I know you went through all the stuff with your i Phone Sex A while ago as one thing that I would add into the mix [TS]
00:59:12 ◼ ► and all that stuff is the thing that surprised me I was even after hearing all your issues with the i Phone Sex was how [TS]
00:59:18 ◼ ► much heavier it feel them and i Pod Touch. I know it is heavier. I don't know how much heavier it is. [TS]
00:59:26 ◼ ► and I think my our size a factor here is well some super sensitive to changes in effort required from like you know [TS]
00:59:32 ◼ ► fingers and stuff like that. But boy I just feel like a brick no case I've been using it with no case and I've had it. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Your day and I'm not patronizing you I'm honestly asking because when I got my three G.S. [TS]
01:00:04 ◼ ► Which admittedly was a kind of different time it dramatically changed everything because if I didn't know where [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► something was I could look at a map on my phone if I didn't know something's phone number I could look it up like what [TS]
01:00:14 ◼ ► did you keep calling in the keynote lines your information phone or when I heard his yeah [TS]
01:00:19 ◼ ► and so having an information phone just completely changed my world do you find that that's the case [TS]
01:00:27 ◼ ► Well you know so I've had a surrogate information phone like OK how am I going to hurt my wife I have her look things [TS]
01:00:33 ◼ ► up on her information phone we use her phone for navigation in the car where you know like so I've had that for a while [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and we're just waiting around a word board to let me use her phone to read Twitter like her her Twitter her thing I [TS]
01:00:45 ◼ ► signed into my account and have a Twitter account she just reads my Twitter so I read my Twitter on her phone [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► Long enough I think it only been maybe three times when I've used it in that capacity once was [TS]
01:00:59 ◼ ► when I was dropping my kids off one of their activities on the day the A seven year view was published [TS]
01:01:07 ◼ ► So while I was like in the waiting area dropping off and picking them up and stuff [TS]
01:01:12 ◼ ► and then this place doesn't have a wife I have some of the bacteria why I find that a lot of the factories do have wife [TS]
01:01:20 ◼ ► Things I have my phone with me in the car right over to us in the podcast I can use it to read Twitter while I wait [TS]
01:01:27 ◼ ► and wait for the kids to go right and once at a dinner with some friends I look at something on [TS]
01:01:31 ◼ ► and buy it if I hadn't I could my wife is there too I could've had her look something up on it as well. [TS]
01:01:36 ◼ ► That's about it I mean like it's also have done before it's not is not of mind blowing in your experience because you [TS]
01:01:40 ◼ ► were like I was never able to do this before and now I'm able to write Whereas now if I could find a more convenient. [TS]
01:01:45 ◼ ► I'm mostly most of experience to me is getting coming to grips with this just gigantic divide [TS]
01:01:54 ◼ ► and the weirdness of how it feels in the case listen this is a thing to his I guess I've always had cases. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► My small wireless devices I will have a case on one that I'm using this on without a case just because we're going to [TS]
01:02:07 ◼ ► but I really love touch idea I'm such a total convert on Touch ID Oh it's the back using on my wife's firey feel my [TS]
01:02:12 ◼ ► fingers are on her for anyway but having it on your own device like I never had a lock on my i Pod Touch [TS]
01:02:18 ◼ ► and I put a lock on this isn't as I got it and it's just it's amazing. So yeah I'll probably get i Phone six. [TS]
01:02:27 ◼ ► Now you can return it within fourteen days if you've decided after that point that you will not own i Phone six. [TS]
01:02:33 ◼ ► Well I am probably going to get one as a matter of just getting everything out of the way [TS]
01:02:39 ◼ ► and getting my number ported over from my old crappy phone that's going to be a hassle to get as you know whenever I [TS]
01:02:45 ◼ ► don't need to go I want to see where the cases are like I don't know which one I want yet so I'll get it sorted out. [TS]
01:02:51 ◼ ► when you have you have to use your information Pod at all since you had the information from all I've I've been [TS]
01:03:02 ◼ ► and forth I just want to say I know this that you got to use the big one is only like I think one [TS]
01:03:06 ◼ ► or two times it once I needed to use the Google authenticator app which can only vent like one of your I was devices [TS]
01:03:14 ◼ ► You're not using off the noise of the ones I've using I think you should be easing off [TS]
01:03:19 ◼ ► but any military on what's better about it you can have it on more than one device I think that it may be optional he [TS]
01:03:25 ◼ ► pushed some of the stuff server side which you may take issue with but but I really like it [TS]
01:03:31 ◼ ► and it's much prettier than the Google one was as of a year ago I haven't looked back since then so I had to use it [TS]
01:03:36 ◼ ► once for that and then I had to pick it up once for something else related to ebook testing because [TS]
01:03:44 ◼ ► It's like I have my my media queries treated differently for for sizing so I need an actual five portrait style things [TS]
01:03:55 ◼ ► but I've been trying that's the ticket I want to be like immerse myself in the section [TS]
01:03:58 ◼ ► and go back to the my little thing. Feel feel anough right. So sorry for the quick aside I just wanted to find out. [TS]
01:04:13 ◼ ► Marco why don't you tell me about your computer that you're going to get that I'm so enthusiastic about. [TS]
01:04:22 ◼ ► Well actually it was pretty quick and that makes me want to be asked like is there any you know I'll tell you [TS]
01:04:35 ◼ ► and hawing about lotion I get the upgrade for there should I not get the upgrade for that is there anything you'd like [TS]
01:04:40 ◼ ► to add about your strategy like what did you and did you order yet and if so what did you end up ordering I have. [TS]
01:04:46 ◼ ► I've mostly ordered through ordering through the business rep for the local Apple store because you know getting a [TS]
01:04:52 ◼ ► couple hundred bucks off the big reason is that because it's being used for primarily software development in the state [TS]
01:04:58 ◼ ► of New York it is tax free so that saves a few hundred more dollars So the total savings are some like five hundred [TS]
01:05:09 ◼ ► Decked out top of the line everything because it basically is as good as the macro [TS]
01:05:15 ◼ ► or better for almost everything I do with you want to have you know of Hendrick video encodes it is fifteen percent [TS]
01:05:31 ◼ ► You know this is definitely wasteful I'm going to lose probably as much as I'm saving on the sales tax [TS]
01:05:37 ◼ ► and I'm going to lose that in value when I resell my current macro but I said when I [TS]
01:05:52 ◼ ► and that's how important is to me a lot of people it isn't that important of them and that's fun [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► All in to wait until they buy the next computer two or three years from now that's fine. [TS]
01:06:04 ◼ ► A lot of people are like Syracuse and won't buy a generation one Apple product and there are some benefits to that. [TS]
01:06:09 ◼ ► When you talk about I buy the above the very first power Mikey five hundred the highest end model recently wrote was I [TS]
01:06:19 ◼ ► guess about the first generation to generation I have a specific C.P.U. In it and that is until they're all there. [TS]
01:06:25 ◼ ► Every every apple compilers of the house I bought the top of the line below I G three [TS]
01:06:30 ◼ ► when it came out so I have no problem buying the fresh air isn't top of the line thing. [TS]
01:06:35 ◼ ► I mean I'm wary about like everybody else but it's not like I have a religion against it. [TS]
01:06:39 ◼ ► Well anyway so I said I would do whatever it takes to to get right on the desktop because it is that important to me. [TS]
01:06:48 ◼ ► I thought when I bought this MacPro that it would that it would be able to drive a retina monitor [TS]
01:06:55 ◼ ► and it can drive four K. Monitors and you can get the Dell twenty four inch four K. [TS]
01:07:12 ◼ ► You've discovered Dell monitors which themselves are not amazing and also from what I hear very buggy [TS]
01:07:23 ◼ ► but what I really wanted was a giant twenty seven to thirty inch monitor like that that size class and four K. [TS]
01:07:32 ◼ ► Everything is too big or you do software rendering and in an artificial scaling and that reduces quality [TS]
01:07:47 ◼ ► Panel at twenty seven inches you might notice that we talked of this before so Mike and I are further into it anyway. [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► I was assuming the five K. Monitor was not going to be just for the next couple of years. That turned out to be wrong. [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Any guess I brought in a monitor I would want would be available in some kind of extra form factor [TS]
01:08:05 ◼ ► and that would plug into my mac pro with no problems and it would work just fine. That has been wrong so far. [TS]
01:08:11 ◼ ► There is the Dell five K. One coming out this winter that might do it but we don't know yet. And the Dell four K. [TS]
01:08:20 ◼ ► Ones had some issues for a while with with running on certain computers in the MacPro various things like enabling the [TS]
01:08:27 ◼ ► Thing it's complicated the way it works is kind of a hack five K.'s even more of a hack because it needs even more [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► bandwidth has to use two different thunderbolt or Display Port cables and the G.P.U. [TS]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and it's there's enough moving parts or things that are kind of on the edge of standards [TS]
01:08:50 ◼ ► There's enough moving parts here that I think the chances of the Delphi key panel working without weird issues on a [TS]
01:08:57 ◼ ► macro are low so that this can't this came out and the combination of both five K. [TS]
01:09:04 ◼ ► Being available when I thought it wouldn't be for years. Plus the much faster C.P.U. [TS]
01:09:09 ◼ ► Speed for single threaded use which is what I usually limited by that push me over the edge where I really did not [TS]
01:09:18 ◼ ► expect to buy a macro and then want to sell it ten months later. But that's what's happening. Fun. [TS]
01:09:28 ◼ ► Yeah I mean honestly it's what what's most interesting about it is how relatively boring it is. [TS]
01:09:45 ◼ ► and it's it's weird enough that I'm glad that you're going to take one for the team [TS]
01:09:52 ◼ ► and I'm I'm excited by the fact that the total power reduction which means that it's you know there's other technology [TS]
01:10:02 ◼ ► but at least it means it's not going to be like like the water cools picking up our mighty fires like the war just like [TS]
01:10:10 ◼ ► But it is kind of there it was possible just not in terms of power and he seems like they've got that more [TS]
01:10:16 ◼ ► but I really just don't know what it's going to be like for you know for to stay today used for gaming for anything [TS]
01:10:27 ◼ ► You'll probably be OK considering the amount of time something spends in your house is low because something new [TS]
01:10:34 ◼ ► but for considering I'm sitting here next to you Thousand a mac pro I really want to know what I'm getting before I get [TS]
01:10:39 ◼ ► and you know my recent not so great experience with a thunderbolt display which is bought relatively early in the life [TS]
01:10:45 ◼ ► or not you know sight unseen I had seen before like I just I'd like to be able to sort this out so you'll tell me all [TS]
01:10:51 ◼ ► about it when you get one. Oh yeah definitely and you know I see a lot of my friends on Twitter. [TS]
01:11:00 ◼ ► or that if I were we were all waiting for just I've read them it would have been talking about the whole life the show [TS]
01:11:04 ◼ ► Marco and I like you know much to be just need a machine they can run to stop reading and we hope to be the MacPro [TS]
01:11:11 ◼ ► but like everyone although not all the nerds in our circle are like totally agree with using I think the twenty into [TS]
01:11:18 ◼ ► version of the screen that I have in front of me the aluminum display with a white plastic things on the side [TS]
01:11:24 ◼ ► and she had the twenty inch one the connectors like he's just he's been staring at ancient technologies I was going to [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► you know he's going to have the world's biggest upgrade in terms of what he's looking at all day [TS]
01:11:34 ◼ ► and those are the best kind of upgrades vicious like likely go the i Phone four like wow I know this is a whole other [TS]
01:11:41 ◼ ► So in John you're definitely looking to upgrade your MacPro in this is definitely at least in the running it's all [TS]
01:11:53 ◼ ► or live anyway that every time I pour mac pro is a super slow because of the spinning discs and everything. [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► I almost by necessity so many times I'm on Amazon page and like Oman like pricing things out [TS]
01:12:05 ◼ ► and getting you know looking at the reports I was almost because I got a sense that you would seriously extend the life [TS]
01:12:11 ◼ ► of this machine because I have a very similar machine one year new where I work that saw S.S.D. [TS]
01:12:18 ◼ ► but my own home on a so painful like once you get in this is either now that expensive I said No no what I should do is [TS]
01:12:23 ◼ ► take that money that I'm about to spend and put it towards whatever my next computer is whether that's a mac pro or [TS]
01:12:29 ◼ ► and I'm accurate ever so looking at the specs that I'm back it is not ideal. I like something that's good for gaming. [TS]
01:12:35 ◼ ► I worry that even the high end G.P.U. With that kind of resolution is not going to be great for gaming I already know. [TS]
01:12:41 ◼ ► Like we look at the specs it looks like it may be a little bit weaker than one of the good G.P. [TS]
01:12:48 ◼ ► and if you're going to get a macro for gaming you can you know using Crossfire mode so you know at best it's half as [TS]
01:13:00 ◼ ► but anyway I want to see some benchmarks first because you know you can't replace it. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► It's all sealed into one big thing there's not going to be any upgrading about like upgraded the G.B.I. [TS]
01:13:10 ◼ ► Mac pro it is now still a vaguely viable gaming machine only because upgrade the G.P.O. I can upgrade the G.B. [TS]
01:13:17 ◼ ► Oh and I'm X. I spend four grand IMAX screen going to look awesome but how long will last as my gaming machine. [TS]
01:13:23 ◼ ► So I'm still you know it's like well I don't buy this IMAX I was going to wait another year for you know for the new [TS]
01:13:41 ◼ ► and what we're waiting for is the sleeper one point three and Thunderbolt three and most likely come together [TS]
01:13:52 ◼ ► It's not even sitting on its path until at least a year from now you know possibly longer if Intel believe anything [TS]
01:14:02 ◼ ► and that's why I said I said in my article that you know Next up I said I would guess if I had to guess [TS]
01:14:12 ◼ ► Yeah I know I might do if I may never have to wait that long and I would just have to get as sustainability. [TS]
01:14:17 ◼ ► Like the thing that almost gets me to click the button the other thing is like I'm not going to throw it away if I got [TS]
01:14:25 ◼ ► or something you know like it's not like I wouldn't know I go that was actually a waste of money because I would use it [TS]
01:14:30 ◼ ► but I'm just trying to you know say it because I don't know what it was like the pricing is so ridiculous on like it's [TS]
01:14:47 ◼ ► but the other thing is that especially with huge amounts of RAM I really seem silly and you know Marco said Isabel [TS]
01:14:54 ◼ ► and your thing like we both have this feeling based on nothing which is probably false but the like that E.C.C. [TS]
01:15:07 ◼ ► and I just feel better is what comes down to I feel better with server class components and he's the RAM I just do [TS]
01:15:13 ◼ ► and I don't know if it's completely in my head there's a placebo effect here on being a sucker [TS]
01:15:17 ◼ ► or really that he she is correcting one bit errors all day long bags because I cannot remember the last time I had a [TS]
01:15:27 ◼ ► It just Other than that stupid spinning disks with a bloody passion it's not the macros fault they spin you know it's [TS]
01:15:43 ◼ ► or third generation Boom Tube mac pro who's called the boom it was that way of saying that it was that you. [TS]
01:15:49 ◼ ► Anyway I would have more faith in that machine just because it's also requires components in just the cooling system is [TS]
01:15:54 ◼ ► so incredibly efficient and probably quieter and all the other things but it's very expensive. [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Now they go to games which is why I don't have the current one so I don't notice it on desktop yet for me. [TS]
01:16:05 ◼ ► but this might be the year of John Surtees as it turns out because you're going to have a phone you can have a new i Pad [TS]
01:16:19 ◼ ► but you talk about someone who is good at doing dad jokes you were already such a day you were just like oh all you're [TS]
01:16:27 ◼ ► missing is the kid at the terrible humor that all this is you are already a dad. I'm glad you approve. [TS]
01:16:35 ◼ ► Now what's going to happen to your jokes after the kids born. They'll actually be funny. [TS]
01:16:38 ◼ ► Now he's like he's been living the dad life for so long it's not just they don't have the kid. [TS]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Ellen is the president all you need to sell young person to be embarrassed by him in the system is complete. [TS]
01:16:51 ◼ ► So Marco you are going to order a maxed out I McComas i Pad Yes OK I think that that's what underscored it is well if I [TS]
01:17:01 ◼ ► understood developing perspective correctly and that seems to be the trend these days so enjoy a new computer [TS]
01:17:08 ◼ ► Speaking of this is exactly what happened when you guys weren't in the MAC community back then I don't think [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► Force and and the wind tunnel in the Quiksilver isn't a crazy liquid cooled thing and like all that stuff [TS]
01:17:31 ◼ ► and it was I think it was like one hundred thirty three and I heard front line bust of a gigahertz [TS]
01:17:35 ◼ ► and a half see if you whatever was a bit of a scene it was like it was just a completely unbalance machine [TS]
01:17:41 ◼ ► and everybody was just delaying their purchase just like there's no way in hell I'm buying that piece of crap you know [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► and everybody like everybody I knew had the top of the top line dual to be a hard time actually five cheese grater [TS]
01:17:58 ◼ ► which all bought them because of the industry. Pent up demand among us our little circle of nerds. [TS]
01:18:05 ◼ ► and now I see everybody I know obviously have been saving their pennies waiting patiently [TS]
01:18:13 ◼ ► Quad twenty seven just was I don't care about anything else I don't care that I'm Act Mustapha now so you know you guys [TS]
01:18:19 ◼ ► are going to be great test drivers for this lovely Yami and honestly looking at it I don't. [TS]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Looking at this I was trying to think like what's the catch I was trying to find the catch [TS]
01:18:39 ◼ ► and I thought it might be Keaton Fennoy isn't it turns out it totalled total system power usage is almost exactly the [TS]
01:18:49 ◼ ► I definitely recommend the I seven upgrade and if you get that it's like two more watts than the old one. [TS]
01:19:01 ◼ ► but because the display is thirty percent less power hungry it down to that out and so the total system heat [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and the internal design looks exactly the same like the it's the same cooling the same structure [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► and that's why it's actually a pretty mature system like this with the same eye that they've been shipping for years [TS]
01:19:23 ◼ ► just with a crazy display on the front instead of the rest of the internals like they're not doing anything new [TS]
01:19:29 ◼ ► and crazy with that so I don't actually forsee major problems except that you know if there's a problem with the panels [TS]
01:19:36 ◼ ► you know if there's a problem with a major tension or that that's what it comes down to this this screen [TS]
01:19:41 ◼ ► or the you know the whole dealing with two basic to Display Port things coming into one [TS]
01:19:46 ◼ ► and integrating them off as any kind of lag like maybe you wouldn't care really for game purposes [TS]
01:19:50 ◼ ► but is there any lag introduced with the synchronization is do you know why you think about the dual G.P.U. [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Are you switching out I was kind of on here with software will there be a similar issue like this like you never know [TS]
01:20:05 ◼ ► what it is and do see the way they've done this panel with a single controller being treated as a single panel. [TS]
01:20:10 ◼ ► No I understand I guess I'm not saying it's exact same problem it's just like when there is a [TS]
01:20:15 ◼ ► when Apple does something for the first time like they hadn't done this before like they'd never know never heard of [TS]
01:20:23 ◼ ► There's a lot of moving parts to an EVO they control the whole stack you never know if it's going to become one of [TS]
01:20:26 ◼ ► those things like wonky and it's worked out in the next generation product but you know no question. [TS]
01:20:35 ◼ ► or if I come out next fall whenever the case like desktop rugelach come out it'll get faster. [TS]
01:20:40 ◼ ► It'll it'll run a little bit cooler it'll run a little bit faster Broadwell the desktop is looking at going to be [TS]
01:20:47 ◼ ► These are roughly ten or fifteen percent speed improvement over the ones from last year like this. [TS]
01:20:54 ◼ ► and so if you really want this right now I don't think there's a huge reason to wait for next years because it's no [TS]
01:21:02 ◼ ► different than any other one year generational gap in desktops like every year it's going to get a little bit better it [TS]
01:21:09 ◼ ► and I was like This is the second year they do the screen in this way you figured out more of the kinks worked out. [TS]
01:21:16 ◼ ► but the second year they do the screen you know even just like to the emitter attention on a mac book pro's like that [TS]
01:21:23 ◼ ► that was an issue they think they got their supplier sorting out now it's not as bad as it was. [TS]
01:21:29 ◼ ► and one of the first generation a retina MacPro the image attention which was only affected some of the screens [TS]
01:21:36 ◼ ► and I happen to get one which is annoying but even your trenchant didn't affect all of them [TS]
01:21:47 ◼ ► I've had zero problems with yep this could be fine most of the other thing is that there I think I feel like there is [TS]
01:21:54 ◼ ► in the wrong term because more margin of error in gigantic machines than there is need little tiny precious. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► This is like I've always been on the laptops because the savings is jammed in there [TS]
01:22:03 ◼ ► and there's no margin for error whereas a guy Mac. Even those all stupidly thin on the edge and stuff. [TS]
01:22:11 ◼ ► I don't feel like they're like they're trying to wedge things in don't have a room that is doing to themselves as you [TS]
01:22:22 ◼ ► or something to her for the macros like dropping Network Connections whereas the other ones one of the thing that I've [TS]
01:22:27 ◼ ► heard with macros like wanting a split with the hardware with the first generation boom to back prose. [TS]
01:22:37 ◼ ► I've had zero for your years fine but I've heard other people have a couple of things here [TS]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and there are the if there are even more demanding Thunderball type scenarios of whatever yours is been fine too like I [TS]
01:22:47 ◼ ► mean I bought a first generation power mighty five and that machine is fine too like it's just you know [TS]
01:22:56 ◼ ► Just what ever else buy one see how it is for me thank you and then you know patience is rewarded. [TS]
01:23:01 ◼ ► Oh yeah although I was I was worried that this that it might get into backwater because I suspect it's going to be [TS]
01:23:08 ◼ ► amazing and because it is the computer that all of us have been waiting for or many of us have been waiting for. [TS]
01:23:14 ◼ ► I suspect it's going to be any supply constraints we're going to see that pretty soon. [TS]
01:23:35 ◼ ► and you're going to be so relieved that it's done but I forget it doesn't it's not how it goes like you publish it [TS]
01:23:46 ◼ ► or relief because as soon as it's published you just you know it's I mean Mark of us I was like releasing software then [TS]
01:23:54 ◼ ► you're just inundated with like the bug reports and worrying about you know how the launch is going and server. [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► and that just so kind of like fades away like Eventually big rush of crap that you have to deal with [TS]
01:24:09 ◼ ► and you worry about this you worry about that and you're facing things and deal with bookstores and going back [TS]
01:24:18 ◼ ► and that just that just slowly very gradually tapers and then eventually just peters off [TS]
01:24:26 ◼ ► It's not it's not as exciting like I feel I could be Mark so if you're like a movie director [TS]
01:24:31 ◼ ► and you work really hard this movie for a long time and then you go to like the opening night [TS]
01:24:35 ◼ ► and Psych is what you can do about it then like you're not in response of making sure the projector doesn't break it's [TS]
01:24:39 ◼ ► like well the movie's done people are going to see it completely out of my hands now that I can do about it unless I [TS]
01:24:53 ◼ ► It's certainly not like that web for services or anything having to you know public facing websites [TS]
01:24:58 ◼ ► and stuff like that is not really like that for my review either because it's not like I get it all [TS]
01:25:03 ◼ ► but the dead publish it and then just wash my hands of it and run around like crazy fixing things [TS]
01:25:08 ◼ ► and that never is fun it doesn't feel good and you are done. So is this the last review. [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► Probably no this is the worst possible time to ask you that question though I know that's why that's why I'm not [TS]
01:25:24 ◼ ► but I'm going to tell you realize that right now I'm thinking definitely is not going to make the decision until later [TS]
01:25:29 ◼ ► until I can make the decision clear of this you know this haze and you know whether [TS]
01:25:36 ◼ ► or not what was different about this review in terms of the creation process felt the same as the past couple. [TS]
01:25:46 ◼ ► Every year that you know I'm always worried about what things are going to get wrong [TS]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and what I've been trying to do is steer myself towards the places I can add value in the review because realistically [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Does it evokes generated and sent to the bookstore basically before the final version of the O. S. Is done. [TS]
01:26:09 ◼ ► One of the you know one of the values that I cannot bring is I can tell you intimate details about how the final retail [TS]
01:26:19 ◼ ► installer binary works because I don't have the final retail installed I can tell you're already reading the review [TS]
01:26:24 ◼ ► Like my ping goes live the second apple pushes the button to publish a thing in fact my thing where I live before [TS]
01:26:31 ◼ ► So I have no idea how the retail installers in the mac apps to work they have no idea what is the I just have to go [TS]
01:26:40 ◼ ► So this whole categories of things that has to do with specific details of the final bits that people are going to get [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► that I just simply can't address unfortunately you have to kind of try to address some of them [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► and hope you get it right and then that's the frustrating part of like oh actually they did change this [TS]
01:26:58 ◼ ► Oh this is actually different in the retail version the version that I never actually saw until you already read my [TS]
01:27:02 ◼ ► review and so you know someone who reads my review six months from now is going to like it doesn't happen to me [TS]
01:27:13 ◼ ► and of course by then you know ten point ten point three will be out which could behave differently anyway. [TS]
01:27:17 ◼ ► So this whole categories of things that I just can't can't address and the reason why [TS]
01:27:22 ◼ ► and then even the things I can address like tiny little details those are the things that change at the last minute so [TS]
01:27:32 ◼ ► and copy edited talking about some minute feature that changes three times in the last three developer builds like you [TS]
01:27:39 ◼ ► If you're full time writer maybe you can dedicate the last three or four days to just working like mad [TS]
01:27:44 ◼ ► but my per day time that I can allocate to this is fixed and very small because of a full time job. [TS]
01:27:50 ◼ ► So yeah that's that's a frustrating part of doing that so I try to base with either view towards the parts that I can. [TS]
01:28:01 ◼ ► What are the important features and how do they impact what the mac is like to use [TS]
01:28:05 ◼ ► and how the mac fits in with Apple's other platforms and blah blah blah so that's why I spent almost all my time [TS]
01:28:13 ◼ ► and it's just been the same as I think the past three or four of us especially in the past three [TS]
01:28:19 ◼ ► I've kind of been in this silly thing of writing and dealing with the production process [TS]
01:28:24 ◼ ► and dealing with the bookstores and dealing with book formatting and every year it's a different thing than I am [TS]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and I entertained thoughts of perhaps I had a video inside the book says the first year I was going to have in mind [TS]
01:28:38 ◼ ► video also doing an e-book but in line with uni books is so insane you can do it can be done and i Books [TS]
01:28:47 ◼ ► when they had requirement number one requirement number one dictated aspect ratio Mike No I had the cute little movie [TS]
01:28:52 ◼ ► of this window you see in a little movie of the old you know China controls animated the aspect ratio made the window [TS]
01:29:04 ◼ ► but this is the one that drove me nuts in this one little movie there's little inline movie showing animated controls [TS]
01:29:09 ◼ ► of this little sewing mock up a maid Interface Builder just you know with a bunch of check boxes so I can check them [TS]
01:29:13 ◼ ► and stuff and I wanted to make the movie a similar aspect ratio to this window and so I can't do it [TS]
01:29:22 ◼ ► or four by three whatever was it was in my eyes that great as Michael Screw you I'm not making a ridiculous video like [TS]
01:29:28 ◼ ► I'll just like it which which works fine just doesn't just not in line but shoot to make that movie. [TS]
01:29:42 ◼ ► and so little software having anything to do with video reactions I can probably get honest effort than that which I [TS]
01:29:49 ◼ ► So my only tool in my disposal is like you know rocks and sticks here is to use Quick Time screen capture [TS]
01:29:57 ◼ ► and quick answer in Cashel as you capture a portion of the screen. By dragging out a little rectangle. [TS]
01:30:02 ◼ ► I have to drag out a rectangle that exactly twelve pixels wide by whatever honor retina screen. [TS]
01:30:11 ◼ ► So it has to be twelve media retina pixels you know whatever it is nine sixty points right. [TS]
01:30:18 ◼ ► when you drag it out like that in quite quick time player with the exact issue of the mentions you have to go through [TS]
01:30:23 ◼ ► the motions of neo go through the motions to make it like cooking the things and having from fields the fields [TS]
01:30:27 ◼ ► and on checking the check boxes you have to do that first get like an eye sequence save the movie [TS]
01:30:41 ◼ ► Oh and by the way Apple changed the look of the controls in the control animations like three times. [TS]
01:30:49 ◼ ► The system I had for trying to trying to get like an exact you know movie made some people think it snaps for I have [TS]
01:30:55 ◼ ► snaps for over like I don't like to install third party things especially that involve CACs on Yosemite systems are on [TS]
01:31:01 ◼ ► that system that I'm testing as I don't want to take their advice offer which I may [TS]
01:31:04 ◼ ► or may not be you know sort of validate if you use them because I was always a bug you know kernel panicking maybe was [TS]
01:31:13 ◼ ► Scope I can factories great utility that has a million tools for making like retina hairline guides [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► and stuff like that and I had like wires all over my screen exactly framing the part that I want to do [TS]
01:31:23 ◼ ► and then I use the accessibility zoom when making the rectangle. It's just it was insanity. [TS]
01:31:28 ◼ ► Anyway that was the most ridiculous crazy part of doing this for a thing that nobody cares about. [TS]
01:31:33 ◼ ► Not even in part by their view but I think a lot of time into it. So there that something is different. [TS]
01:31:40 ◼ ► when movies were tourists that was a great movie it actually really helped a lot I really enjoyed watching it. [TS]
01:31:45 ◼ ► That was like the worst performance of like that I had hooked up an external mouse because I'm so bad with a touch pad. [TS]
01:31:52 ◼ ► and I hate how that looks like I'm like a handicapped person moving them out around like has limited mobility. [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► And I feel I feel like it was not an accurate representation of my mouse ing skills but I got it that's [TS]
01:32:12 ◼ ► and I was so tired doing that I just in the last seventeen runs to get that thing right with a touch pad [TS]
01:32:19 ◼ ► It came out OK The background was correctly framed I don't care that the mouse looks a little stuttering so I'm still [TS]
01:32:27 ◼ ► and I think I think everyone agrees that the pad is what I think the trackpad to very aggressively for is an inferior [TS]
01:32:33 ◼ ► input method in terms of speed and accuracy and they are completely ignorant about it [TS]
01:32:37 ◼ ► but like yeah if you just look at it all you could see was a screen capture of cursor movement I feel I can tell that [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► someone using a touch pad vs the mouse I agree the people who use the Magic Trackpad to believe that's what it's called [TS]
01:32:51 ◼ ► They're more interested in comfort then which is fine it's a reasonable trade off like you know I don't care about [TS]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and you know they have more comfortable swiping their fingers across the surface but I'm very interested in patience [TS]
01:33:13 ◼ ► and pieces of the review is there any general thoughts are there any general thoughts that you have before I ask you [TS]
01:33:20 ◼ ► but I wrote most of them down in a convenient unveiling available form so you can just you know like I'm sure I'll [TS]
01:33:28 ◼ ► and if I mean I'm sure I will talk more about why I think this will be my last one in some future show [TS]
01:33:34 ◼ ► but one of the aspects of it isn't like I just have so much pent up things to say about this [TS]
01:33:40 ◼ ► and it pains me so much in the world wherever this public bit is that everyone gets to talk about it [TS]
01:33:50 ◼ ► and I just had to sit there with gritted teeth for three months whatever else has the same discussions [TS]
01:33:54 ◼ ► and then you know hope that I don't it up saying all guys are the same things that I can be like well I totally wrote [TS]
01:34:05 ◼ ► and a lot of them are already been said by other smart people which is a shame but what can you do. [TS]
01:34:11 ◼ ► I'd like to start my dissection of your review by asking you if the reference on page fifteen the caption on page [TS]
01:34:24 ◼ ► Is that a reference to The Godfather because if so I'd like to celebrate that victory quietly by myself. [TS]
01:34:29 ◼ ► Barrus in yourself asking a question that shouldn't have to ask you should you should proudly say that hey did you know [TS]
01:34:40 ◼ ► but the thing is I've only seen like ten minutes a thousand times I'll tell you that that's not a lie. [TS]
01:34:48 ◼ ► I says just listening to us now and my talk about The Godfather three doesn't exist. [TS]
01:34:54 ◼ ► They're more or less right but I think you'll be plenty of time late at night if you pace back [TS]
01:34:59 ◼ ► and forth in front of the tell if your child you can watch the entire movie many times over. [TS]
01:35:04 ◼ ► Also page fifteen included my favorite line of the review which is in Yosemite as in life. [TS]
01:35:15 ◼ ► and I am I don't like that line at all I almost didn't put it in because I thought it was terrible. [TS]
01:35:21 ◼ ► and I almost skipped right over some glad marker that you remembered I give a lot of something around like a double [TS]
01:35:28 ◼ ► double thumbs up for should be reviewing your own roof. I know I know I think I deleted like three times. [TS]
01:35:49 ◼ ► First of all I think that's huge because I spend an inordinate amount of time in front of my computer particularly [TS]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Many traditionalists amasses with that many people being able to fire one off well receiving one [TS]
01:36:06 ◼ ► and more importantly being able to fire one off by using the keyboard on my mac. That strikes me as awesome. [TS]
01:36:14 ◼ ► But the one of the things I wanted to ask you which you may or may not know the answers. [TS]
01:36:18 ◼ ► Does that piece of continuity does that require B.T.L. Use well or is that just wife I I don't know the answer. [TS]
01:36:28 ◼ ► Actually I think now that I think it just requires plain old Bluetooth in my work a wife of a no I do not know the [TS]
01:36:35 ◼ ► answer that like with these things that require phone integration a lot of these didn't work in a reasonable way until [TS]
01:36:44 ◼ ► and worked again with a plan one beta so I did not have a lot of time to go only that it's because we had enough time [TS]
01:36:48 ◼ ► to do them to see that they work to see what it was like do them try to use them with like these little fake [TS]
01:36:55 ◼ ► And with this is by the way was an advantage of me having my you know non smart phone I can send S.M.S. [TS]
01:37:07 ◼ ► and so I was setting myself as a message that we could have just turned that message off on that phone. [TS]
01:37:13 ◼ ► But what I mean this is like like I said their view of this is kind of like a it should have always been this way. [TS]
01:37:18 ◼ ► Like they should have always been a symmetry between the you know if the i Phone can do why can't the mac Once you have [TS]
01:37:26 ◼ ► Because it's tied to blah blah blah like you just need if you've got the phone and you've got the messages [TS]
01:37:32 ◼ ► and the phone can hear it like these are all things the lot of the stuff in your semi is like it's almost like the i [TS]
01:37:38 ◼ ► Phone in the MAC were made by two different companies for the amount of the integration [TS]
01:37:41 ◼ ► and I said there are a view in retrospect is shocking how little integration there was between these two platforms for [TS]
01:37:48 ◼ ► No no good reason like the technologies were there so I got old suddenly invented Bluetooth and life I like this. [TS]
01:37:54 ◼ ► These things could have been talking to each other could've been cooperating could've been on the same page for so long. [TS]
01:38:02 ◼ ► It's hard you know if you're in a circle everyone uses i Phones your whole family is often like oh yes I'm dead [TS]
01:38:09 ◼ ► But I see the the rise of these messaging services like a line and whatever there's a lot of you know like non S.M.S. [TS]
01:38:16 ◼ ► Messaging services that are very popular throughout the world and I just have to feel like and i hate us [TS]
01:38:21 ◼ ► and I sort of hash I had to go like that technology not the idea of sending people text messages [TS]
01:38:26 ◼ ► but that tech that particular technology for doing so I'll be glad when it's gone. [TS]
01:38:30 ◼ ► But if it ends up paying around for a much longer time it's good that it's integrated in everything [TS]
01:38:35 ◼ ► but like I still worry about reliability issues not so much of the software but of the server component of you know. [TS]
01:38:46 ◼ ► and The gateway and all that is now just now you know one more thing that can be out of sync or only in one place [TS]
01:38:57 ◼ ► I think also I really enjoyed what came I think we're after this which was the unification of the phone calls thing as [TS]
01:39:04 ◼ ► a very good points there and I'm looking forward to this world of like I can you know if somebody calls me [TS]
01:39:12 ◼ ► and I'm sitting on the computer with my headphones on I can just sling the mike over [TS]
01:39:23 ◼ ► and quite appreciate like how that will change the world of being a human being a part of a computer most of the day in [TS]
01:39:35 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know how much time you'll find out how much time you spend on the phone [TS]
01:39:39 ◼ ► but I don't spend a lot of time on the phone but I I totally expected that phone feature to be wonky or weird. [TS]
01:39:48 ◼ ► or weird because if it is want to read you like so many I hunt because you have no place to go to check for it right. [TS]
01:39:55 ◼ ► But you know I didn't put this interview because I refuse but it more or less just work. [TS]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and I give it had all sorts of little nice feature like your ring ring tones and everything out there [TS]
01:40:14 ◼ ► and I think someone said it and tried some of the like of you if you do. If that U.I. [TS]
01:40:21 ◼ ► Sounds like the tone sounds of using a touch tone you know menus you have you know you can imagine doing it for example [TS]
01:40:33 ◼ ► or something like to be able to do that while farting around on your computer without having to keep your phone on [TS]
01:40:40 ◼ ► but the sound bouncing off your debts like that just have it all integrated into the computer thing where you just want [TS]
01:40:49 ◼ ► or Grand Central where ever the you know the kind of you know where you can do calling from your web browser [TS]
01:40:54 ◼ ► and you know this is an I thought everything integrated and again this technology was there it's not rocket science [TS]
01:41:02 ◼ ► and as long as it doesn't fall down which I didn't see it fall down it's just like oh yeah we still have done that why [TS]
01:41:09 ◼ ► are we not doing that it's just they could have done that with the i Pad with the i Phone one practically like a wife I [TS]
01:41:20 ◼ ► Well I think they're doing it over Bluetooth for sure because you know that the whole hand I think it has the ability [TS]
01:41:26 ◼ ► to create an ad hoc wife eye connection for higher bandwidth stuff like file transfers to an air drop does [TS]
01:41:36 ◼ ► and you're also me will be shocked at how bad again how bad phone sound quality is my wife calling the other parts of [TS]
01:41:43 ◼ ► the South like it sounds terrible cost on some terrible plane a plain old regular phones not you know. [TS]
01:41:54 ◼ ► Well it is also this will make phone calls lest its less disruptive like when you when you. [TS]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Or at a computer you get a phone call like you got to get the vernier pocket you got to you know take you have a lot of [TS]
01:42:07 ◼ ► This makes that so much less disruptive a year if you disagree your calls us having to dig stuff. [TS]
01:42:16 ◼ ► when I hear my non smart phone ringing I have to pull out of whatever drawer like a pocket or backpack [TS]
01:42:21 ◼ ► and to see my wife calling or is it you know sung with the wrong number speaking to me in Spanish [TS]
01:42:27 ◼ ► and it's like fifty fifty and I would much rather just look at the upper right corner of my screen [TS]
01:42:34 ◼ ► but this is evidence that Marko works at out of the house because if I get a phone call my first reaction is to grab my [TS]
01:42:43 ◼ ► phone and run away from like Team area that I'm sitting in so I can be prepared to answer the phone. [TS]
01:42:49 ◼ ► when it's the person who doesn't know me speaking Spanish I don't realize that until Marty like ten steps away from my [TS]
01:43:04 ◼ ► Merely just using it as a caller id type of thing you know yes you know I completely agree. Yeah yeah. [TS]
01:43:21 ◼ ► You know like that like the almost like these platforms made by two different companies. [TS]
01:43:25 ◼ ► The credible active integration which is supposed to be like Apple's big advantage like go one company makes everything [TS]
01:43:39 ◼ ► Yeah and I think I think your point was very apt that like you know until until now Apple's internal like. [TS]
01:43:51 ◼ ► and I think this is as you said this is like an important like tearing down of that wall. [TS]
01:44:01 ◼ ► but I really felt this with using a so as I'm writing this review like it it now feels like it can include the watches [TS]
01:44:11 ◼ ► but I was in the back where they feel like one sort of unified platform being worked on by one team like in that that [TS]
01:44:19 ◼ ► every idea they come up with will be like how does this idea plied to both platforms like extensions that they could [TS]
01:44:25 ◼ ► have just on Iowa State extensions of me like well I need some way to extend it because it's been a super lockdown [TS]
01:44:32 ◼ ► Right because the one you can already do all sorts of ways of the know we're going to make an extension thing [TS]
01:44:37 ◼ ► and Why would you why would you want to ring fence and I can already do all that's a great use of it [TS]
01:44:40 ◼ ► and I can act as a needed I need to don't waste your time that it's like we're making this extension mechanism we think [TS]
01:44:47 ◼ ► is the best extension mechanism ever made in terms of safety and you know an A.P.I. [TS]
01:44:52 ◼ ► That we can support him blah blah blah and why wouldn't we bring this to every one of our platform. [TS]
01:44:57 ◼ ► Why would we say the Mac. Anything you just have little bundles of all you know crash system U.I. [TS]
01:45:04 ◼ ► They bring it to both of them and they bring it about them in a way that you can actually share code between them [TS]
01:45:10 ◼ ► Kit but there's enough sharing between and like that's being it's being addressed as a holistic thing [TS]
01:45:15 ◼ ► and I don't know if I went too much in the conclusion I would like to hammer on it more like the idea that Apple is [TS]
01:45:22 ◼ ► viewing its customers as people who use multiple devices in their lives rather than using their devices as targets for [TS]
01:45:28 ◼ ► software that they make right where it stops thinking about the i Phone is a piece of hardware we want to write awesome [TS]
01:45:36 ◼ ► and the i Pad is a piece of hardware we aren't often suffer for it to make a great product [TS]
01:45:44 ◼ ► and you see this product you like done whereas what they should be looking at is people who buy our stuff are [TS]
01:45:52 ◼ ► and that one person if they're good Apple customer has an i Phone has a mac maybe has an i Pad [TS]
01:45:57 ◼ ► and that one person does not divide themselves up into. You know three devices is just one person. [TS]
01:46:02 ◼ ► They have one set of stuff they have one set of people that they know it's all like the clouds that comes in from the [TS]
01:46:11 ◼ ► and that person's needs had nothing to do with what we think in the abstract we should make this is the best phone we [TS]
01:46:19 ◼ ► and that person says that I'm just one person I don't care that the phone is awesome they're not girls over there. [TS]
01:46:23 ◼ ► How can you make them both awesome for me so I really like the fact that it seems like Apple's platforms are now being [TS]
01:46:30 ◼ ► addressed as a sort of you know one thing you know we want you as the customer to be able to use our stuff [TS]
01:46:41 ◼ ► and you know if we can blurred distinctions Eugenie then you can move from one to the next [TS]
01:46:49 ◼ ► but like have a similar feel is another big thing I may not have gotten to as much they really want to like how you [TS]
01:46:56 ◼ ► but you could there's a family resemblance like it's not like we have to make a picture of a big guy with seven [TS]
01:47:03 ◼ ► and so you feel like you feel like you're going from room to room in a big house that you own the whole house [TS]
01:47:14 ◼ ► Goodness The other thing I want to mention on page nineteen was this one line is a great example of what I love about [TS]
01:47:23 ◼ ► reading your views because your views are very approachable even for someone who doesn't have the background that say [TS]
01:47:31 ◼ ► all of us have and the best part is they have this toning character to them the through serious [TS]
01:47:37 ◼ ► and then there's these little drops like what Marco brought up a minute ago with the quote from the other page about [TS]
01:47:47 ◼ ► And here on page one nine hundred also that dog totally looks like Harrison Ford. It's so random and so delightful. [TS]
01:47:55 ◼ ► It's not random you didn't know that was a me and I've seen that before you know the main I got how I know I did even. [TS]
01:48:00 ◼ ► No that is a lot of references you know gay case they just assume that they have before on the show I have you know [TS]
01:48:06 ◼ ► people are you going to make like a compendium of all the books are and that's the be like a huge amount of work [TS]
01:48:12 ◼ ► but one thing I always fantasize about doing which you probably also want to do is just going back through all my old [TS]
01:48:20 ◼ ► but I don't know where that would be for other than me maybe has an audience of one. [TS]
01:48:24 ◼ ► But I guarantee nobody who's not me you know I got everything out because they're super obscure like from my own [TS]
01:48:30 ◼ ► private life like oh this is the reference the friend that in general you know that it's from that all everything that [TS]
01:48:37 ◼ ► But they're everywhere like I put them it's how I entertain myself why I write stuff so I wear the Harrison Ford dog [TS]
01:48:51 ◼ ► You might still squint at the Dongo tiny Squinty Doug does kind of look like ours but that's exactly what I did. [TS]
01:48:56 ◼ ► Super looks like I go right now on the next page you made an extremely bold Clinger Nations a claim statement that was [TS]
01:49:08 ◼ ► just in the middle of actually was the very end of the page. Apple's cloud services may finally be on the right track. [TS]
01:49:15 ◼ ► I'm going to ask you the stupid question leading question Do you really mean that I do it and remember [TS]
01:49:22 ◼ ► when I came out of the cloud at the session I like I think everybody came in a session was like Oh jeez find it like [TS]
01:49:37 ◼ ► or the Amazon things we've written services like what everybody's doing in the web space [TS]
01:49:42 ◼ ► and then over here is like a core data which is you need an alley and it was nothing like any other services and [TS]
01:49:47 ◼ ► and clog it was like oh yeah yeah that's more or less what we've all been doing that and now you're doing that [TS]
01:49:53 ◼ ► and you're doing a good job at it looks at this whole implausible like it's the way someone implementing it you know. [TS]
01:50:00 ◼ ► Someone like well versed in the art who is not an Apple would implement something like that it's kind of like that [TS]
01:50:05 ◼ ► and it's the way people who write mac apps have been writing their own little services to you know [TS]
01:50:11 ◼ ► Everyone was making stuff like that an apple an apple making one and it's a really good one [TS]
01:50:17 ◼ ► and it's like she's finally like no more Web Objects no board no more porting a local only A.P.I. [TS]
01:50:24 ◼ ► To suddenly be cloud based not you know it's just no more weird impedance mismatch is no more being doing doing things [TS]
01:50:30 ◼ ► differently based on weird technologies that Apple really loves that no one else likes it was just a straightforward [TS]
01:50:36 ◼ ► simple you know good kind of like sink it was too like you know we have been bringing people from the outside world [TS]
01:50:46 ◼ ► and just say you know use current best practices to do a really good job and then leverage Apple's expertise [TS]
01:50:52 ◼ ► and infrastructure to do that and that's what Crikey look like and I guess in their view it's not Apple screwed. [TS]
01:51:01 ◼ ► There's still the server back end to worry about the still reliability concerns are still you know still plenty ways [TS]
01:51:12 ◼ ► and it's buggy you're like look first of all you build in some weird thing you no one else is doing it like that Are [TS]
01:51:18 ◼ ► If you're building something more straightforward or more in line with best practices [TS]
01:51:22 ◼ ► and then it's above you're like well you build in the right thing it is going to get better at it like I feel like [TS]
01:51:25 ◼ ► you're halfway there you know. Yeah nine I mean I'm not arguing I'm just it was a bold statement. Impressed. [TS]
01:51:35 ◼ ► when i Cloud came around I guess mobile me going like I was a good move like the can that [TS]
01:51:46 ◼ ► Session really really convinced me that that there are at least some people there who who who know what the right thing [TS]
01:52:00 ◼ ► The next page is Page twenty one and it's the beginning of the swift section and I should point out to begin with that. [TS]
01:52:10 ◼ ► Chris Laettner actually linked to this review saying hey the swift section was really good [TS]
01:52:17 ◼ ► and I thought that was tremendous. So congratulations for that. Genuinely I think that's extremely awesome. [TS]
01:52:24 ◼ ► Everyone should follow him because he is the ideal person the father is you know interesting and famous and smart [TS]
01:52:36 ◼ ► and then one day hopefully something you'll be the first one to know there's no one else fault I'm so focused on you [TS]
01:52:41 ◼ ► know it was it was I'm trying to find it and I can't so I'll just move along but it was a really short tweet [TS]
01:52:48 ◼ ► but a really nice tweet and that to me is a pretty big stamp of approval so you should be proud of that. [TS]
01:52:55 ◼ ► This what section was great I also like the end of the first pages which section which again is Page twenty one wherein [TS]
01:53:01 ◼ ► you said print line are you not entertained. That would be Gladiator. Just a file. [TS]
01:53:10 ◼ ► or another wherever a know the from that's basically where I know it from Are You Really taking my moment away from [TS]
01:53:21 ◼ ► when I found out you can do that which was I didn't know anything so it was an Elton like you know. [TS]
01:53:29 ◼ ► Pounding use of been swift in to start typing on like what are your thoughts at that time [TS]
01:53:34 ◼ ► and I will let you know if I think it's important like that that you know if you didn't have a handle on what Swift was [TS]
01:53:48 ◼ ► like you come out of the you know you're like I don't know what this raise with thing is [TS]
01:53:52 ◼ ► and then you find out that it's like what I tried to lay out in the in this one thing it's so much of this with [TS]
01:54:00 ◼ ► When not ignorant because every knows this but focusing on whatever they want to focus on [TS]
01:54:05 ◼ ► and not focus on like Swiss obviously very publicly right in front of your face stated goal [TS]
01:54:18 ◼ ► but their goal is to make this language that goes right from the little you just are type [TS]
01:54:21 ◼ ► and you put a little line of doubling you start typing the file you just run it to go from that all we have to [TS]
01:54:27 ◼ ► or you can write a whole ass in this that sounds ridiculous and maybe you know maybe it is ridiculous [TS]
01:54:32 ◼ ► and people be like I don't understand why she was doing this thing it's like it's in the goal like if someone gave you [TS]
01:54:38 ◼ ► and said I want you to make a language that can go scale from scripts all way up to writing an operating system that [TS]
01:54:48 ◼ ► when people complain about features they're like oh I don't like this you couldn't it was like yes [TS]
01:54:55 ◼ ► and so I feel what people should be disagreeing with is the mission of the language. [TS]
01:54:59 ◼ ► That's where people should be focusing their anger is that it's stupid to make a language expand this range where you [TS]
01:55:06 ◼ ► and you know I'm I think I like the idea the idea of the ambition of this of these me to say it is I'm not you know I [TS]
01:55:14 ◼ ► was developer a mac developer is going to be forced to deal with this transition we're just going to be bumpy. [TS]
01:55:19 ◼ ► But I have as as an outside observer I mean I like the guts of someone trying to do that saying that's what they're [TS]
01:55:25 ◼ ► going to do not keeping it a secret but I think this is what we want to make and we think it's possible [TS]
01:55:31 ◼ ► and that just just incredible clarifying lens for everything having to do this with things like the things you don't [TS]
01:55:37 ◼ ► like the direction as you might think it will go in the future you have to look at that mission [TS]
01:55:42 ◼ ► and it could be they changed that mission I said that mission was dumb it unnecessarily hamstrung us. [TS]
01:55:48 ◼ ► but you know if you were to look back at what objectives they look like in one nine hundred eighty nine [TS]
01:55:54 ◼ ► and compared to object you see today I'm going to say like times least give Swift a chance. [TS]
01:56:04 ◼ ► and hopefully much better if it's given a couple years to cook especially the rate Apple has been improving its them [TS]
01:56:14 ◼ ► Did not get that much better Intel Apple sort of took and ran with it in the last decade or so. [TS]
01:56:20 ◼ ► Yeah one of the things that was interesting to me about the review specifically about Swift was that there was a lot of [TS]
01:56:34 ◼ ► and I agree I mean I haven't really played this with much because I've barely had time for anything lately [TS]
01:56:43 ◼ ► and your review just made it even more impressive being able to see exactly how a lot of the stuff is is held together [TS]
01:56:52 ◼ ► and so I agree with you I mean for all the curmudgeons out there I don't think that's really necessary I really think [TS]
01:57:00 ◼ ► That's what I was most interested in like I was coming at it from my perspective I mean the high level languages all [TS]
01:57:04 ◼ ► day and using Perl javascript stuff like that but it's so far from like so so far from dealing directly with memory [TS]
01:57:12 ◼ ► or so increase Basically I'm doing an incredibly slow language it's from the perspective of someone doing with the [TS]
01:57:18 ◼ ► But it's great because you don't have to worry about all these you know the concerns of people dealing with lower level [TS]
01:57:26 ◼ ► and it's with the promise of flows like we're going to be you know it's a low level language the high level syntax [TS]
01:57:35 ◼ ► when you use it it's going to feel like so nice you know to worry about all these little details will take care of it [TS]
01:57:40 ◼ ► when you write it it's going to be fast like those other languages that you had to spend all day writing type names in [TS]
01:57:44 ◼ ► million times and and using funny isn't actually worrying about memory and and pointers [TS]
01:57:52 ◼ ► and what I was interested in is from the perspective of the high level language programmer. [TS]
01:57:56 ◼ ► How can you possibly make that fast because all these other high level language you use is. [TS]
01:58:06 ◼ ► and Javascript is the best example that it is just like millions and millions probably billions of dollars [TS]
01:58:11 ◼ ► and some of the smartest programmers in the entire world focusing on trying to make this terrible language that someone [TS]
01:58:17 ◼ ► made a long time ago fast because everywhere because you have to it's in the web browser right [TS]
01:58:21 ◼ ► and then lesser languages like perl or python have far fewer brains and far less money. [TS]
01:58:31 ◼ ► but like the nice high level languages that people really love trying to trying to make that language fast [TS]
01:58:46 ◼ ► You can see the same way as I portables I like things actually was that goes into like all the dots connect [TS]
01:58:51 ◼ ► but if you can have a high level language like Java it's so much harder to be efficient because you have to like to [TS]
01:58:57 ◼ ► make things fast you have to tie things down but if you try things out the pain in the butt to use [TS]
01:59:01 ◼ ► and so I want to know is you know in a language like swift where even the what we think of the basic types like enters [TS]
01:59:10 ◼ ► How can you possibly get that to be fast how can you how can you sort of bolt that infrastructure all the way down into [TS]
01:59:25 ◼ ► and said now make this really fast there are so many different approaches you can take if you are not you know Chris [TS]
01:59:33 ◼ ► or someone who has written L V M inclining everything you could take the approach of for example Perl or Python [TS]
01:59:41 ◼ ► There are lots of different jobs for that matter there are lots of different ways to make engines for high level [TS]
01:59:45 ◼ ► languages the way they made this engine for a high level language you know for example in Perl or javascript [TS]
01:59:53 ◼ ► or routine stuff. Well no I don't know who everybody says but like the basic types. [TS]
02:00:00 ◼ ► Use are not defined in the library source code you can see like they're part of the language even in things like [TS]
02:00:08 ◼ ► or float like that's part of the language is not that's not a library that you can plug in [TS]
02:00:15 ◼ ► and then just found this clever way to bolt that library to what they knew would be the implementation of the language [TS]
02:00:21 ◼ ► so that I found fascinating about trying to pick with the easiest possible example [TS]
02:00:25 ◼ ► and it still expanded into like you know thousands of words of annotated source dumps or whatever that that's more [TS]
02:00:32 ◼ ► or less a simple I can get it but I think the implementation is fascinating I think the language like I am. [TS]
02:00:39 ◼ ► and I hate all of the static typing stuff that Iran complains about about stuff like I hate that stuff too. [TS]
02:00:43 ◼ ► I don't want I don't want to deal with types at all. I want everything to be dynamic. [TS]
02:00:53 ◼ ► and I don't think static typing in this area make good code I linked to a lot of things that people you know there's a [TS]
02:00:57 ◼ ► lot of things on the web on both sides argument a link to some of the better known pieces in the Swiss section about [TS]
02:01:10 ◼ ► and really if you just had a knack language everybody be better and happier and more productive [TS]
02:01:20 ◼ ► So if this trying to be the button down tied down static everything language that I really hate [TS]
02:01:25 ◼ ► but trying to make it palatable and it's super interesting in that respect you became worth nothing [TS]
02:01:32 ◼ ► Swift is not the language that I would design like it doesn't look like it doesn't it doesn't match my tastes at all [TS]
02:01:40 ◼ ► and it does match the it is a good fit for the mission that the creator set out for the language. [TS]
02:01:48 ◼ ► What it doesn't match up with so much is if you see if you really really like Objective C. [TS]
02:01:52 ◼ ► and You love dynamic dispatching you loved you know calling the selectors making selectors out of strings [TS]
02:02:00 ◼ ► Stuff which again I'm with you I'm using even higher level languages I'm doing all sorts of crazy the hundred string of [TS]
02:02:06 ◼ ► hours you don't even know what's going on in Java Script in Perl The only with you. [TS]
02:02:13 ◼ ► and that's I don't know how they're going to do them plus with us to deal with all the objectives the integration which [TS]
02:02:17 ◼ ► is such a pain in the butt that's putting warts all over like why this warrants Well why the hell is this here why does [TS]
02:02:22 ◼ ► this work this way with the special case rule at all because it's got to work with your thing Objective C. [TS]
02:02:25 ◼ ► Libraries in a semi idiomatic way and it's all you know that it's not afraid to have worked [TS]
02:02:31 ◼ ► and it's got plenty of them but I just hope five years from now this experiment goes goes well [TS]
02:02:38 ◼ ► and that all the people who are cranky about it I guess will join the people who are cranky about dots [TS]
02:02:42 ◼ ► and I thought this is probably the same people are just like you know Time marches on [TS]
02:02:49 ◼ ► and some new kid coming up from years from now hopefully will start learning his Iris development in swift [TS]
02:02:54 ◼ ► and think it's perfectly fine natural and if he ever sees Objective C. It'll be like oh God what were you guys doing. [TS]
02:02:59 ◼ ► You know I think I hope it will be OK I think we'll be OK. Smart people behind it so I'm optimistic. [TS]
02:03:08 ◼ ► It's funny how many people I've talked to a developer friends of mine usually in the Microsoft world [TS]
02:03:13 ◼ ► but nevertheless developers I've spoken to over the last few years who have said oh yeah you know I'd really like to [TS]
02:03:22 ◼ ► Syntax I can't even look at it so that those people are never going to write it happen anyway. [TS]
02:03:32 ◼ ► and you're like what I have to dereference players where all the stars in your declaration you seem to see like what [TS]
02:03:44 ◼ ► and I've got people complain to me that Swift is not a Harley level language than Objective C. [TS]
02:03:48 ◼ ► Which I think is crazy like a swipe at the whole section in there which is a reference to case he doesn't get the title [TS]
02:03:53 ◼ ► of this show looks like a high level language right guys like if you use Python if you use Perl or Ruby or jobs. [TS]
02:04:00 ◼ ► Like this on you know if you just a passing familiar look high level language book no pointers my quote unquote made [TS]
02:04:07 ◼ ► strings I'm going to do basic things that collection classes. There is just all that stuff in any objective C. [TS]
02:04:13 ◼ ► With a literal that everyone's happy it's like no regular english just have that it is a common thing a high level [TS]
02:04:23 ◼ ► and yet some people are saying Swiss not really high level language with a static dispatch [TS]
02:04:26 ◼ ► and I need to make my selector names out of strings and call them if I can't. That sucks. [TS]
02:04:35 ◼ ► You can stop and that's that that chasm will be solved by old people retiring. Hyla you John. [TS]
02:04:48 ◼ ► All right so on page twenty two a couple quick notes first there is a link the first of actually what ended up being [TS]
02:05:01 ◼ ► and additionally I want to ask you How was all of the work figuring out this glue between Swift [TS]
02:05:09 ◼ ► and the actually six opcode was that all your work by yourself did you have help with that how did that come to be. [TS]
02:05:17 ◼ ► I have put all the things like um I lean on the smart people that I have contact with to ask questions [TS]
02:05:24 ◼ ► but I mean the good thing is that like you only need like a little shove in the right direction by smart people like [TS]
02:05:30 ◼ ► they don't need to hold your hand through anything because I have all the tools at my disposal like all these this is [TS]
02:05:38 ◼ ► and it's I mean maybe it's because of environment I feel natural and like programming all day that's my job right. [TS]
02:05:46 ◼ ► I have the command line tools I can write code I can you know I can figure out flags to commands I can you know write a [TS]
02:05:52 ◼ ► little test programs you know I can figure it out I just need to be like that you know you should look over here [TS]
02:06:00 ◼ ► and that's why I think the super simple example because I'm not particularly familiar with sixty four assemblies like I [TS]
02:06:05 ◼ ► can just look at this and know what it is I don't look up all that you know the stupid things [TS]
02:06:09 ◼ ► and that's why I like what the symbols thing adding two numbers together I can handle that like I don't want to get [TS]
02:06:16 ◼ ► but I just a question I didn't know how it worked I wanted to I wanted to figure it out [TS]
02:06:23 ◼ ► but mostly in terms of like here's what you want to look at here's what you want to do you know something you know this. [TS]
02:06:34 ◼ ► This example will be instructive for the things I would have questions about well what about this and that over [TS]
02:06:42 ◼ ► and so even though my examples I was led to was like the example you're trying to do will never explain that concept do [TS]
02:06:49 ◼ ► you use this example instead so long as things like Arc was the other one was in a similar vein of like you know arc [TS]
02:06:57 ◼ ► was explained fairly well but is like a lot of questions about like how how exactly does a work inside [TS]
02:07:03 ◼ ► and you know even if like the wise like getting game talk to people who are involved in the process [TS]
02:07:08 ◼ ► and the like why are can not object why are cannot garbage collection like why specific let's get into that section was [TS]
02:07:15 ◼ ► most similar thing to the Arc section as no coincidence that it's you know both developer technologies both you know in [TS]
02:07:22 ◼ ► sort of the same vein in the same kind of team doing stuff so no I thought this the section was extremely interesting [TS]
02:07:32 ◼ ► and has no time in getting pretty much all the way down to that level was a fun adventure into things I've long [TS]
02:07:40 ◼ ► forgotten so I really enjoyed it and the people who like actually know this stuff and you like it like my gas [TS]
02:07:46 ◼ ► or something like that there's nothing groundbreaking that anyone who cared could have figured all this out [TS]
02:07:51 ◼ ► and probably did right you know all the people are actually writing swith like if you go to my guests thing Friday Q. [TS]
02:08:00 ◼ ► Those guys actually know what they they don't need any help from apple to apple should hire them if they're not like [TS]
02:08:04 ◼ ► very probably tried to hire them many times like you know to me it like that's that's a whole other category thing I'm [TS]
02:08:11 ◼ ► just like pecking on the outside here getting help from those type of people so there is no groundbreaking stuff here [TS]
02:08:17 ◼ ► is just you know this is what I as ever is why I think I try to explain it to people even farther outside like if I can [TS]
02:08:26 ◼ ► and figure it out I feel like I might be able to explain it to someone else that's why I like you know it's action [TS]
02:08:33 ◼ ► I feel like anybody even if you know almost nothing about computers can be led through it [TS]
02:08:36 ◼ ► and you get the gist of it you're not going to know all the little details I don't know all the little details like a [TS]
02:08:41 ◼ ► lot of the output from the you know the compiler that I can sort of figure out more [TS]
02:08:46 ◼ ► or less what it's doing again because the thing is so simple and I can you know say this is that in line. [TS]
02:08:51 ◼ ► Why is this that I'm going to like and look at the same stuff but it's put over there [TS]
02:08:54 ◼ ► and I can I can figure out the you know I know enough about assembly I can figure out well something to different [TS]
02:08:58 ◼ ► because the arguments are in different places that I can you know if you know the concepts of like how do you return [TS]
02:09:02 ◼ ► from a function like they're basic concepts that everybody would learn like if the S. [TS]
02:09:06 ◼ ► Class armed with even just that you can more or less make heads or tails of this type of things. [TS]
02:09:22 ◼ ► The next thing I wanted to comment on was the what's a final stand for swift intermediate languages there are [TS]
02:09:49 ◼ ► Like do you have any thoughts as to what a file would be used for you know if I had it I would've put it in there I [TS]
02:09:54 ◼ ► just I just get it like so in those diagrams like this is not a minor thing right. [TS]
02:10:03 ◼ ► and language that essentially like that no one writes things in right that is a significant step [TS]
02:10:14 ◼ ► and I are doesn't have doesn't retain enough information about the source language trust of I'm certain observations [TS]
02:10:18 ◼ ► Yes that's totally true that's that's like why it's their right and it is interesting but that's a long way to go. [TS]
02:10:26 ◼ ► I don't have any inside information and I can't see anything if I had a theory of becoming it to you now. [TS]
02:10:31 ◼ ► All it is is like it just seems like another big box in a diagram in another language to support for this people [TS]
02:10:37 ◼ ► building these tools they must have thought it was important enough to you know because they could have like left that [TS]
02:10:48 ◼ ► and the source code with you know with a smarter compile I mean quite what kind of Racine's he lost they didn't make an [TS]
02:10:57 ◼ ► or less draw a line from those languages even though they're fairly complicated specially he opposed us we don't need a [TS]
02:11:13 ◼ ► This may be a future proofing thing like so much a Swiffer I look at it I say like this has nothing to do with this [TS]
02:11:22 ◼ ► Like there's an end game in mind like this is the these are the type of off the nations I would like to be able to do [TS]
02:11:28 ◼ ► There barely a glimmer my eye now there's no way in hell we dissolve the nations now [TS]
02:11:40 ◼ ► and saying if I'm going to the Appalachian one I'm going to need a thing like this [TS]
02:11:45 ◼ ► and later on we hope it will be useful for these reasons a lot of that's kind of like a permanent pattern like yeah GNI [TS]
02:11:52 ◼ ► going to need it they need it now they need filled out of the Appalachians I talked about the generics and the need [TS]
02:12:01 ◼ ► You know this is the review of the opposition I showed in some other ones you know would be awkward [TS]
02:12:08 ◼ ► or impossible like would it be impossible impossible know you can always do it I mean you know it's like [TS]
02:12:15 ◼ ► but it's certainly a lot easier with Phil which is which is much closer to the source than L B M I R which is much [TS]
02:12:22 ◼ ► closer to assembly. So now nothing specific there. I'm a little disappointed but I was hoping you were being coy. [TS]
02:12:32 ◼ ► or questions I guess more points that I wanted to make on that same page which is twenty three [TS]
02:12:39 ◼ ► and in the shape of the future section you made passing reference to Pearl having too many funny characters which made [TS]
02:12:46 ◼ ► me strangely happy because I forget that you actually do you acknowledge that Pearl is not the best thing that's ever [TS]
02:12:55 ◼ ► Well I was acknowledging was that other people think it is too many I think I don't mind it goes thing to say because [TS]
02:13:01 ◼ ► funny it's like saying English has funny characters with all this punctuation it's pointless [TS]
02:13:05 ◼ ► and it's noisy would be so much nicer which is all a series of lowercase letters which have a lot of people right on [TS]
02:13:11 ◼ ► the line because it's like this weird affectation but no punctuation and capital letters serve a purpose. [TS]
02:13:18 ◼ ► Well that Huffman coding because it is frequently type of and you know if you can a thing [TS]
02:13:30 ◼ ► and scalars having a single character dated on each of them is much better than doing some crazy Unger innovation which [TS]
02:13:35 ◼ ► is also much better than having no distinction just having to remember so I am not I do not agree that in Perl as much [TS]
02:13:42 ◼ ► as I think all the time duration in part with the exception of the global variables which are just silly nonsense left [TS]
02:13:46 ◼ ► over from show arc hang over from years ago but Dyson at present fine Swiss and have them doesn't [TS]
02:13:53 ◼ ► but I didn't design sweat so they are right and then my final point which I wanted to make was from the. [TS]
02:14:00 ◼ ► The last page page twenty five and it might be him in the very last line let me see now it's not but you had said [TS]
02:14:07 ◼ ► and I'm quoting Apple has shown that it wants to succeed more than it fears being seen as a follower [TS]
02:14:13 ◼ ► and I thought that was extraordinarily astute and a really really really good summary of Apple today [TS]
02:14:21 ◼ ► Well that's like you know there's the other part of that in a similar vein I think on that same page is like the list [TS]
02:14:27 ◼ ► of things that will never do slowly turning into a list of things Apple has done right. [TS]
02:14:31 ◼ ► Like with that with the ads they have jobs and Tim Cook coming on like all you know and Scott forestall leaving [TS]
02:14:42 ◼ ► and i Cloud Drive is what I was thinking over the you know with what he called Apple being more afraid of not having a [TS]
02:14:53 ◼ ► and they were like well aren't you just helping Dropbox like what's worse being someone say you copping Dropbox are not [TS]
02:14:57 ◼ ► having a future like Dropbox that people have proven that to love so I caught drivers like you know is an admission of [TS]
02:15:06 ◼ ► That's that's what stopped him from doing it like we can't do that we've had all this time we're saying we're not going [TS]
02:15:10 ◼ ► to be able file system like what we do full of what we don't like in Iowa so we got a drag either you know like it was [TS]
02:15:15 ◼ ► and that mountain lion stuff like this what are you afraid of people saying you're copping Dropbox are you afraid of a [TS]
02:15:29 ◼ ► and I don't even know if it was the right move like maybe the right move would be to stick your gun that actually do [TS]
02:15:34 ◼ ► but if you can't do that go on with the thing that you know people like is better than sticking as I'm super gravity so [TS]
02:15:48 ◼ ► and you know again I don't even know if I'm going to use i Cloud Drive I have an I like everybody else who's a nerdy [TS]
02:15:55 ◼ ► We've all been using Dropbox right I have some complaints about dropouts but it still has some event is a right. [TS]
02:16:00 ◼ ► Dr I'm doubt by not knowing whether everything's all think i Cloud Drive I mean to look at my little menu bar icons in [TS]
02:16:06 ◼ ► the green checkmark you know that everything is think not just an individual file. So I don't know. [TS]
02:16:13 ◼ ► but yeah I'm glad this is this is the new Apple doing things the normally don't do talking to talking to the press more [TS]
02:16:22 ◼ ► being more open with developers having a swift blog that actually has more than one post on it. [TS]
02:16:27 ◼ ► You know it's a brave new world. It is indeed. Any closing thoughts. And I guess I don't I think court. [TS]
02:16:41 ◼ ► I think two or three sponsors this week I forgot to do more of the mesmerized you mandrill Squarespace and glue [TS]
02:16:59 ◼ ► Now on the issue is this it was accidental accidental drowning and you are now sitting on the campaign trail [TS]
02:18:04 ◼ ► and there are viewers that it didn't turn to movies out that was a pretty bad as a trap for you I'm sorry guys I feel [TS]
02:18:12 ◼ ► like all right that's fine that's cool. I know I'll never be good enough for you John. [TS]
02:18:22 ◼ ► Again like how low do we have to make the bar how what is is there is there any is there any pop culture reference that [TS]
02:18:37 ◼ ► and you know similar age similar sort of like income like some of the life experience [TS]
02:18:44 ◼ ► and you just be shocked if they did not get this reference like the one of their anything. [TS]
02:18:52 ◼ ► and I go to like Mickey Mouse How about that someone who's never heard of making out [TS]
02:18:55 ◼ ► and no idea who Mickey Mouse is what making us looks like isn't is you know is it a mouth like rolls [TS]
02:19:01 ◼ ► Would you be like oh my God how can you know no Mickey Mouse like that what we have to go to. [TS]
02:19:06 ◼ ► Do you really want to know if you like Richard Burr is like that is pretty am I'm saying like you know because for me [TS]
02:19:16 ◼ ► Star Wars is on like star like have you heard of Star Wars maybe you haven't seen John Kerry seem to be you know Star [TS]
02:19:21 ◼ ► Wars is a thing. Maybe you've heard of light sabers maybe you know a Darth Vader look like that's all I'm asking. [TS]
02:19:28 ◼ ► and you go up like if I'm going to make a Star Wars reference like a well known by say May the Force be with me like [TS]
02:19:48 ◼ ► and sometimes identical to Star Wars that apparently you didn't see such as I'm not funny if I didn't get it [TS]
02:20:16 ◼ ► I thought when I firmly placed your expectations of me so far down the crapper that they can't even be found anymore. [TS]
02:20:26 ◼ ► and then you just don't get an obvious star as a reference and I was like wow I don't know I mean the over there. [TS]
02:20:43 ◼ ► I've seen all six of them so well when Adam is old enough to start watching star as a Marcos in a few more times. [TS]
02:20:50 ◼ ► Yeah well I will say I've only seen the episodes two and three I think of only seen those ones in each film [TS]
02:20:57 ◼ ► or don't worry about those you're not going to even out because in that contest I think. [TS]
02:21:04 ◼ ► Yes Unfortunately I'm curious you mentioned earlier that you refused to write the phrase It just works in the review. [TS]
02:21:19 ◼ ► but like you know I mean what you do know what you don't write cliches and if you if you're writing about Apple [TS]
02:21:31 ◼ ► and try to do it you know we've read that to mean you know we were at about the same. [TS]
02:21:37 ◼ ► If you're of the same comics price for a long time you will find yourself inevitably same exact same things [TS]
02:21:44 ◼ ► and not only other people said that the you have said in the past the constant struggle for me not to write the exact [TS]
02:21:52 ◼ ► and I will go back out that I'll go back to like you know to ten points if you're viewing I'll feel like the exact [TS]
02:22:00 ◼ ► I tend to produce the same output and I will almost word for word write a sentence I wrote three years ago. [TS]
02:22:07 ◼ ► and so it's a constant struggle to try to say the same things in a fresh and interesting way that lends new insight [TS]
02:22:14 ◼ ► and doesn't just you know it's that you're snapped a grid with Marco type thing that doesn't just snap to grid [TS]
02:22:19 ◼ ► and like people mentally scan it just works and it snaps to grid point and then read the words [TS]
02:22:25 ◼ ► and it's like they're not paying attention anymore so I'm always trying to find some better way to say things. [TS]
02:22:33 ◼ ► Not like you know it's not like I have a silly list that I just like when I'm writing I feel like that [TS]
02:22:37 ◼ ► when you want to go with real you want to go with it just work because it's just you know after whatever fifteen years [TS]
02:22:49 ◼ ► All right I'll give you the titles I'm a big fan of raw coconuts barely part of the you just like cattle a lot of [TS]
02:23:00 ◼ ► Surrogate information phone is also very good that I also like a lot was Russell tangential although you know I was a [TS]
02:23:08 ◼ ► but you know well sometimes they're like whatever they're spent a lot of time talking about the Apple event in Yosemite [TS]
02:23:29 ◼ ► but like the title you know you know cannot cook a terrible you know no way and the worst the worst is [TS]
02:23:35 ◼ ► when you have unexpected cooking out and things that a texture thing I like to taste like taste like paper [TS]
02:23:42 ◼ ► I got toasted coating on the outside of a donut do coconut shrimp is good you know like mountains. [TS]
02:23:48 ◼ ► It's no you know it's not a great candy but now I like Oh God no unexpressed because when you when you [TS]
02:23:55 ◼ ► but until the candy or went on some kind of cake it's that's the worst cookie that's the worst I think. [TS]
02:24:03 ◼ ► No grazing and the texture is terrible but so is the taste. They're both terrible. [TS]
02:24:13 ◼ ► Again most people born here get used say movies the Pina by which grosses out the rest of the world. [TS]