00:00:05 ◼ ► Well it doesn't matter because they're here anyway so this is what they're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► Why don't we talk about how my life took a turn for the better a day or two ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/16">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► and no we did not have sprout yet Sprout is still not born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► but I saw a tweet from our mutual friend Michael journalists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► and he said something that I did not realize what he said was that for you to use I keep calling it a semester relay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/30">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► I'm not sure if that's a blessed term or not. But for you to use US must relay on Iowa State in Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/40">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► It actually does not require Bluetooth low energy like a lot of other new continuity things do it instead just requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/48">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► both devices to be on an active network and I haven't done any testing to decide to determine exactly what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/57">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► but I've heard rumblings that basically as long as your phone is logged into your i Cloud account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/65">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► and connect to the Internet someway somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/72">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► and the computer that you're using is connected to that same icloud account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/74">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► and on the Internet some way somehow then apparently you can send text messages by way of your phone which is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/79">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► because I didn't think that that was a possibility with our political energy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/87">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► Yeah the sweet was a nice summary to try to fit into a single tweet all the different requirements for the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/93">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► continuity related features a poll put a link to the tweet in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► but the summary is hand off tethering airdrop needs to do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► and low energy as a Methodist both in network connections and the phone calling stuff they may need never connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/105">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► or need to be on the same network. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► Now this is compressed into a tweet so if there are technical nuances that didn't fit in the tweet don't blame Gerry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/113">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► But it's a reasonable summary of this this type of information is difficult to convey to people because even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► tell them for example that hand-off uses Bluetooth all energy to discover things nobody knows of their MCAS Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/126">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► way you know we know the Bluetooth energy is so they see these features or even you know read about them I review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/131">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and they're disappointed that they can't do it and you know they don't know if they have something called B T L E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/137">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► So it's it's just a shame really because I don't think Apple needs to communicate effectively alliances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/142">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► but the bottom line is that if your machine doesn't have Bluetooth low energy you're not going to be scanning with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/148">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► regular bluetooth at full energy all the time on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► and a mac to be able to do hand off you know the future for the future to be feasible relies on low energy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/156">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► So and you know that the S. and I thing that make sense they can coordinated through all through the server. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► The phone I still quite understand tactically of why they need to be on the same network why you know they don't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► apparently need to be in Bluetooth range you know me I know you don't need to pair them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/173">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► But anyway it's a magical mystical voodoo and all these weird technical details will be moot in five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/177">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► when everybody's gears has all the stuff but for now it's a little weird if you've got an older Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► You may not get all the things right not so I was so excited because with the exception of Aaron's macro care which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/188">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► what I used to record the newest Mack in the house is a late twentieth Levin hire as anywhere MacBook Pro which I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/194">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► talked about numerous times on the show and that is pre Bluetooth low energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► and so like I said before I was devastated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► That's a strong word but I was really sad that I wasn't to be able to use a lot of this continuity stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/207">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► and as it turns out I haven't tried the phone thing although that should work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/212">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► but I have absolutely tried the semester relay and it's really awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► I really said to Miss airdrop that I am most upset about of the things I'm missing because I can't tell her with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/220">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► phone and because I'm on an unlimited plan for meeting T. Still and handoff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► I don't you know don't use Apple Mail I use their mail so yeah but I was really really accept. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► I did to try to see that as a mess really works. Can we can we break apart the tethering thing for a second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/240">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► How much data per month do you typically use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► Oh this is where you basically back me into realizing that there is no need for me to hold on to the unlimited plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/248">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► that is that that is a known issue and I I don't really know why I haven't gotten rid of it yet but I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/255">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► and there's no reasonable reason for me to still have it and to answer your question I haven't looked in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/264">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► but I guess I use between two and two and three gigs a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► Aaron is still on a two hundred megabytes a month plan and I keep begging her to let me get her more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/275">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► and especially now that she's at home almost all the time doesn't really need more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/282">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► and so there's almost no need for us to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► No need for us to upgrade now I haven't crunch the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► but my limited understanding is it would probably actually be cheaper for us to ditch a limited plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/295">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► and just get on a shared plan. But whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► Get a tip and I did that recently she was still on the mill just because she never had any reason to change it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► I had given it up for tethering long ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► but yet we found I think combined we use something like two gigs a month on average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/310">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► and it doesn't really change that much month a month so I would I would venture a guess that if you had tethering not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/316">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► only would you probably be paying less per month with this with a combined plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► but I would guess that whatever benefit to your life unlimited data sounds like it might eventually possibly someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/328">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► maybe provide and that is if a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► Doesn't throttle you too much in the meantime which they do not really unlimited anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► Whatever benefit it's providing to you I bet the benefit of going to a tethering plan would be greater. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► I think you're right and as you just pointed out in P.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► or In the chat also pointed out one time I got to either three or four gigs I think it was three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/350">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► and eight hundred eighty different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/357">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► He sent me a nasty gram saying yeah we're going to slow everything down until the end of the month. Have fun with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/360">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► Yes So you know you're basically not getting unlimited data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► and even great you might you might as well get the benefits of getting rid of the plan and getting the new features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/367">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► Yeah I know you're right like it's one of those things that momentum is keeping me going in this probably silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► wasteful direction so me whatever. So John you were saying about political energy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► Continuing our air drop right the lack of air drop is someone made less painful between I.R.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/383">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► and Maximises made less painful if you have an older Americans supported by I was hair extensions now there are so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/391">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► more ways from any Apple the reasonable I was a extension support to you know to use a share extension to press to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/397">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► your files from one place the other whether I mean I guess you go do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/406">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► and a lot of apps supported Dropbox you go to need to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► but also things like I mean her viewing is like transmit fry us to transfer files back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► and forth like you're not as trapped in individual I.O.'s out now as you used to be reliant on Apple's built in airdrop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/416">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► to be the way that you quickly transfer any content from from your i was devised here Max dice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/423">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► Yeah I think also i Cloud Drive I think is going to be a bigger deal than we all think it is like I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/432">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► probably underestimating it because bringing a Dropbox like storage model to any i OS app that wants it is really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/439">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► and I think that's going to have wide reaching ramifications if it works at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/448">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► And John you seem to think that I was I was actually paying a lot of attention during that part of your review I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/454">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► you know I paste into the whole thing of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► but particularly the i Cloud Drive part because I'm very interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/460">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► and I'm really hoping that works very well because it can it can really help i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/466">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► So much as the nice thing is that it's there it's on a reasonably level footing with all those other services that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/471">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► like. At including Dropbox or you know what is Google Drive or is Microsoft's things called one drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/479">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► Anybody can you know once you're on that sheet that comes up with you're sharing things anybody can have something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► So it's good that it's like if I if I could drive flakes out or ends up being unreliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/493">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► or something you have so many other options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► and reliability is speaking of things they're so hard to gauge because any anything memory reviewing us anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/498">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► relies on a server side component and it doesn't matter what bits Apple sends me in a developer build of the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/506">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► There's a service I can point is either not get ready or not turned on or completely buggy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► You can't judge the future based on that at all and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► when you get what you think is the final build of Apple's servers are still being wonky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/521">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► It doesn't mean that the bits in the final build a bad it could just mean that the servers are still walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► and that you know the day of release they get that they push out the last you know build of the server software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/529">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and suddenly things work nicely after i Cloud Drive in the early betas you know either didn't work at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/535">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► or was totally buggy but that doesn't mean anything because they're still working out at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► and then once it's did start working I had like this a series of tests that I went through to sort of gauge reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/544">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► of transferring large files moon files doing files putting folder with a bunch of little files in it to try to ram it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/551">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► and I rewrote that i Cloud Drive sector many times because as it kept getting better I thought OK this is must be how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/557">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► it's going to work and it's not that great and you know it's taking X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► Number of seconds for my changes to appear on two different Macs but he just got better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► and better to the point where the time or the final version of that seconds like it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/571">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► or less works without any huge delays the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► Issues I think are still a possible problem especially now that you see the Dropbox has a version out that uses the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/577">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► file think relations that extensions I'm assuming because it looks totally different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► How can you tell just because they're not over the actual full file or folder anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/590">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► Yeah they're not bad so I'm assuming that's using it I just noticed it today because I upgraded my work McAfee Assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/593">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► and reliability of the server parts not the client partners I think where the really it's the road with i Cloud Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/604">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► because I mean there's more than one client is that there's all the access to it from various apps on i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/611">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► and from you know the various extensions on Iowa State to get to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► and then of course as the finder is another client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► and as a web client the one part that we all worry about Apple getting righted the server part we need to be a reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/622">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► fast up all the time and because kind of like Dropbox imagine if you had Dropbox and you had a bunch of little icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/629">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► and they didn't have little green checks on them they just had like the little you know spinning blue I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/637">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► update thing and it never went green like what do you do about it you could drop by three launch it into a Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► or install it. It's never really green. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► Like that's the that's the thing with you know having a drop box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► but if you did what is your recourse with all these cloud services especially even name drop boxes you have a like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/655">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► synchronize this file now please thing is just post the work right Emma doesn't you like I don't know what I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/661">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► and so that's what I'm always worried about I gotta drive it so young I don't know like am I going to drag a file into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/667">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► it on my mac or work in common to the files not there and I just wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/673">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► and stare at the folder wait for the file to appear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► Like what do I do that I don't I don't know there's not even having done so I disable or enable I drive it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/680">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► but I have to admit that unless there is some compelling reason for me to leave Dropbox which I've been using for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► long time my habits are all built on I'm going to keep using Dropbox. Me I tend to agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/692">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► I don't even know you needled i Cloud Drive I've not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and this is now the first time I've ever clicked on the i Cloud Drive item in my Finder sidebar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/703">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► Turns out there's stuff in there. Who knew. It does Dropbox and I last offered that file picker extension yet like so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/710">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Dialogue as i Cloud Drive I think it does I have and use an app with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► but I recall seeing screenshots of it maybe it might not be really haven't tried it I mean I I my habits around i O S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/723">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► are not built around the expectation that there is anything like this available anywhere like i don't use any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/731">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► It used to be that individual apps would have to build in support for Dropbox and a lot of them did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► but it just so happens that none of the apps that I use on a regular basis had these buildings or Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► and all of that to do have the support arm simming are slowly changing to use the system way to get at that that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/747">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► extension. Yeah I hope so that's actually one thing like I in absolute I'm using. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► It's actually really annoying now the ones that still present their own share sheets at their own custom share she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► didn't use in the system one like that's one reason we know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► or is it just just a me thing I was kind of annoyed by the apps that I have that used to do a custom way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/769">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► and now bring that giant sheet up because a lot of time I know I just want to go to paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► and I used to be one tap in the obvious and I can play it out now is to tattoo I mean I'll get over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/779">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► but like now it's to test specially because of the stupid bug where the reordering of the things doesn't stick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Oh I don't know about that and I haven't written anything I have reordered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► and it is not stopping other people complain about it as well I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► but anyway it used to be one tap on a button to send is the paper now it's one to have to bring up a giant sheet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/795">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Luckily Instapaper is usually within one scrolling section but it's not like the upper left I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► or I want to be and I tap into everything and I think so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► I would much prefer it this way it's much better to have an extensible system is just we need the kinks to be worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► out of it first. The people in the chatter saying the dropbox doesn't yet have the document pick a thing and i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/815">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► That's a shame if true but I mean the show that in the keynote but maybe the speculative like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► and that Dropbox could make something like this and they just haven't done that yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► I thought they kind of danced like IMO can be actually mentioned Dropbox by name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure like that was the very start of location like we're basically building this for Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Since you know same thing with the badging essentially somebody is like we are basically don't it's entirety ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/840">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and one driver skydiver whatever Michael thing is our first punch of this week is back please go to back Blaze dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/847">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► slash A.T.P. Backley is unlimited and untroubled online backup for just five bucks a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/855">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► This is really I mean we talked about that place before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/862">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► So you know I don't need to tell you guys why you need cloud backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/865">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► but I will anyway because the fact is you know a backup somebody wise recently said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► and I'm pretty sure this is a very old thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► Somebody wiser recently said that a backup is not a back up if it isn't automatic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/876">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► And yes I know probably Aramis has said that before anyway moving on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► If you have some kind of backup system where you're only backing things up in your house then you could lose data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/886">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► If something happens to your house that would affect all the things in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/892">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► or other things plugged in so for example if you only have a computer with a time machine drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► If you get a big power surge or a fire or flood or theft that will wipe out both of those things in all likelihood. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/900">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► And so you don't want every copy of your data to be in your house or plugged into your computer all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/907">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► So you know most people have figured out along the way like oh and off site backup would be nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/913">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► and the problem with that is that usually it's really really hard to ever remember to actually do it so most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► time like you might have like a hard drive in you know at your parents' house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► or work with some of your files on that you've last updated six months ago maybe at most you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/928">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► With online backup it's so much better because it's just continuously happening in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/935">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► or you're always backed up off site and the the class of problem that protects you from is so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/939">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► and it's so easy because you don't think about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► You're just always being backed up online and among the cloud backup providers I've tried a number of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/949">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► and I personally stuck with backlit even before they were a spy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Answer I chose them as the best for me and I think they'll be the best for you to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► They're really extremely good so big things first unlimited disk space five bucks a month. That's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► Also the UN throttled point is very important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► Many cloud providers can't accept the files quickly enough so even though you can upload them fast they couldn't accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/972">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► them and so it was going to take you know months to upload my first backup and that was back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/978">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► when that was never a problem they were always very fast they can they can basically accept them as quickly as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/983">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► and their client is a nice job of throttling automatically to make sure there's a mess ending up for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► There is Native it is a it's a preference paint with a menu item. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/993">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► It runs they're always up to date with MAC releases it runs and Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/998">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► and Android app you can access your backup files from back plays on the go from your ass you can also say you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► you're like on a trip and you forget to bring a file with you and it's not like a drug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► or anything you can logon to back ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and restore just one file onto your laptop as you're traveling to get access to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► Things like that it's a really helpful system really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► and all that backup is is just you know to use the word junkie or you're not if you don't have all my backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and so anyway I think what the back was going to back Blaze dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► Highly recommended I've used them myself for years now and I definitely recommend you have a cloud backup service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► and you're going to have it's going to have one and it is the best one anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► Then quarterback plays for sponsoring the show once again John you have some real time follow up for us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Chat room a couple places a player screenshots of the dropbox Dr Baker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► OK Then area of Iowa state so it's a thing there you go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► But the link to Iowa with a document writer's story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► and everyone else take a look out there I'm sure we're not going to think about like what kind of apps though I have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► i O. S. That would use a docking figures kind of chicken egg because before you have a generic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► I'm bigger if you keep all your stuff on Dropbox then you're not going to have one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► but what apps do you guys use that you would find yourself using a drop I stuck a picture with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► Well I think what's interesting here is you know before one of the big problems of doing any kind of like productivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► task and I was device if you're working with documents and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► One of the problems though is again the files on and off of it and some apps would support the i Cloud documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► and data thing it was always limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► and I personally little bit afraid to use it because I was I never really knew where those files were written it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► I Cloud Drive not only replaces that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► but I think just having this as a thing right now you know it's going to take us a while to realize that we can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► you can pay developers a while to realize that they can do something with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► So I think this is the kind of thing that in six months or a year or two years we might look back on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► and say oh my god this this made such a big difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► But right now it's hard to see it because nothing's really using it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► Yeah I can think of one place I would have liked to use it one to another one doing e-book previews I would've loved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► not have to use i Tunes and in the past what I could do is take the versions of the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► and then I would go to the dropbox climb to dedicate a Dropbox app in the days before Iowa save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► and find you know whatever file I want open and I would tap on it and it would download in the drop box out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► and then it would show me little things a sari drop the drop a tab doesn't know how to display this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► but then there was a little button that said open in these applications which understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► and the most recent version of the dropbox app did not understand how to do that with with all the formats that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► using and it would just not offer to open it in the Kindle appart Open ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► and the i Books app so if I had a Dropbox document picker I could have gone to the i Books at the use of Dropbox I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► pick your simming the docking figures or support all they already know they are and just put that way and same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► but that's one scenario I can think of anything so I don't have to use i Tunes to transfer files. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► So to continue some follow up do you want to tell us John about some person a person Bluetooth based mesh networks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► or perhaps were particularly popular in Hong Kong a couple shows ago we were talking about Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► and decentralized messaging services not controlled by any one company like Twitter or whatever you know protocols. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► Instead of protocols like you know I'm a pop and S.M.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► Instead of proprietary services like Twitter with the eyes and a lot of guns and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► and I don't remember if we brought this up on the show so I threw in a vault I'm sorry if this is a repeat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► But what I was thinking of when we were having a discussion and I might not have remembered to interject was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► when they're having those protests in Hong Kong the people in the crowd were using an application for messaging that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1254">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► So there was no connection to a centralized server of the Internet I think they might have actually even had internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► access but to each individual phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► and bluetooth the message that we passed from phone to phone to phone phone to spread to all the people in the crowd in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► this application is an application it's used for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► Like if you go somewhere where there's no wife I say go like you go camping or something and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► and your friends can all you know send messages to each other on your information phones even though none of us access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► or saw access and your own near each other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► Yeah well you know you're in you're a bunch of tents set up somewhere you know I mean I think that's what it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► but anyway regardless they were using this technology to basically communicate with each other despite the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► the government or whatever the centralized authorities making other forms of communication impossible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► So I think in a scenario it's kind of weird but this is like a protest or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► but the dystopian future dystopian so far future is everybody uses Twitter and Twitter is controlled by want to come. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► Everybody uses peer to peer mesh networks that can't be controlled by any single government or entity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► and like there's nothing you can do to break communication in the entire world because we're all just connected to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► other by proximity and mesh network and you could you could block out little portions here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► but eventually the mesh will cover everything so I think we're not in either one of the scenarios we're between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► dystopian the utopia but hopefully we'll push things the right direction somehow right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► and a couple shows ago we were also talking about pent i Phones which by the way did that's magically go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► I think it's still there but I don't think there's any new news you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► Yeah well anyway Jared Bill mayor probably buttering that's are you Jared anyway he said that with regard to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► taking bent i Phones We were talking about how we thought it was interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► or somebody written in that it was interesting that a genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► or whoever it was took notes on the fact what that person was doing with their i Phone bench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► when he was scared says Apple taking Ben i Phones Apple always does quote engineering captures quote for specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► issues on new products for a short time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► So that is just a little They are also occurred to me what happened at the Twitter thing today was that the thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► in their thing today. They're yeah they are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► They had a developer conference today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► and honestly I don't I have not a vain attention to what they announce if they announce something called the digits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► Two factor as a service that anybody can use some like that but I was out on the details you know and so more the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► You know I don't know. I keep meaning to blog about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► So I wrote an article the other day in anticipation of this conference because I had posted some kind of crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► saying Twitter is going to start over again with developers and start fresh and reset their image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► and I basically said no they're not. And the gist of my post was that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► They're not trustworthy to developers and there's been a number of responses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► Dave Winer notably responded pretty publicly basically saying in short and I hope not but you his argument here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► but in short that you know we can like pick and choose our gatekeepers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► and that it's hard for me to say this kind of stuff without pointing out that I accept the Apple App Store gatekeeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and Apple has done such a developers in the past and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and that's all true I think the main difference is alignment of interests though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► Twitter there's a great quote let me say I have it open here is and it's on the verge today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► There's a comment from somebody at Twitter that said referring to their old A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► Before they put in the restrictions with the token limits and everything for clients they said R E P I was so open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► but we allowed people to compete with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► and that this was this was like their justification for locking it down two years ago with a token limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► and everything I think that you know there was soap in that we allow people to compete with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► That right there says a lot more than that person probably planned to say that explains a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► So what this means is Twitter's A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► Made it possible for people to compete with Twitter and they shut it down because they had to their A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► Has the potential to make people compete with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► It gives people the ability to compete with them it gives people the ability to do things like build a whole following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► when Instagram launched Instagram became a social network primarily by importing people's Twitter friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► and then building its own side network and then you didn't need Twitter anymore after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► and then Twitter of course you as this and cut off access to the to the Friend Finder thing for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► and you know these situations will keep coming up Twitter also had a problem where there were some client I forget the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► name of that but there was there were some company buying a whole bunch of Twitter clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► and they were going to start their own like Shadow Network next to Twitter and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1555">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► And like you could like you'd be able to post to both of them and integrate the timelines and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► and that's that I think was the bigger freak out the Twitter had that was a couple years earlier than Instagram I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► So Twitter get freaked out. You know that you could use their A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► To steal value from them and devalue them and compete with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► If you look at the situation Apple's in with app developers it's a very different situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► I mean yes it's possible that you can make an app that compete on one of Apple's apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► but Apple's primary interests are so in the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► and so if you're if you're a developer making apps the chances that your interests are going to conflict with Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► There's almost no chance for that to realistically happen in any plausible future scenario at least during lease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► You know maybe on a Syracuse timescale maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► but there's a you know in the next like you know ten years like how how long is your software likely to last you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► five ten years if you if you're lucky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► So you know in that time like Apple's interest we're going to change dramatically to the point where they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► be at odds with what app developers do on a platform and you know the answer is probably not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► So I think it's a very different argument to say that oh well Apple has complete control over their platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and you buy into that and you're investing in that and therefore your argument is invalid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► Now I don't think that's a fair counterargument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► Twitter on the other hand like there are so many ways you can use a Twitter A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► In ways that if you say well if this gets big enough this could be a real problem for Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► or we've just stolen a whole bunch of value from Twitter like that is so much more likely given what Twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and what their A.P.I. Allows access to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► That's what makes it so untrustworthy is that the chance that your interests will conflict with Twitter is if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► I don't think that the structural difference though I think it is the actions of the of the companies involved because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► I mean when I heard that quote about you know the Twitter saying we actually people compete with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► I just check my head thinking they don't. There their view of A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► and it has caused them to act in ways that make someone trustworthy because they've proven they don't understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► the heck's going on there like the aspects of competition you just talked about are real and they are there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► But even before Instagram was able to steal value from Twitter by exploiting its you know its relationship graph to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► bootstrap its own photo social network thing. Twitter only became Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► Or so the story we tell ourselves go in our little circle not only of a part at least partially because people third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► parties made clients that made the service more palatable for people who didn't want to go to their last web page like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► they were not those people who are using Twitter's A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► To make client software for all these sorts of platforms and to refine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► and everything like that to for Twitter to view them as people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► Even when people compete they weren't competing with you they were helping you become the Twitter you are today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Without them who knows if you would have become the two you could have still been you know like a tent like a service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► that nobody wants to use because they don't like using your web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► and your client software is crappy like who cares that you would be worried about saving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► and protecting your value like so to view those people as competition is just weird like that was the whole sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► or the Twitter client developers is like they felt like they helped build this service into what it is today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► and into it it was like OK I don't need you anymore thanks bye. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► Whereas Apple for all its weird foibles and everything still seems to be able to keep the eye on the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► and say developers are actually an important part of you know they add value to our devices we can solve hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► or is make apps on that of Apple's currently saying hey look at all these apps not being like we even let people make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► apps to compete with our example would never say that because it's like you know all they do is brag about how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► people make that how many apps on the App Store how much money they give to developers like they know the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► and make them without apps their hardware is way less valuable. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► and you know the old hierarchy of Apple needs of Apple first customers first Apple second and developers third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and that still annoys developers and Apple still does have a tremendous amount of control over its platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► but it's as I said it's not structural. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► Twitter and Apple have similar amounts of control this point over their platforms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► But based on past actions we believe Apple understands to some degree that everyone who makes an app for the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► is increasing the value of Apple's products whereas Twitter seems hell bent on not understanding the people writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and All sorts of ways makes Twitter more valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► and you're right there's still this possibility you know exploiting it to bootstrap some of the network itself like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► that but things like Twitter clients like the reason you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► and value networks like no bitch we have a monetization strategy that relies on your not being able to get tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and where you need build insert tweets in your timeline and ball a ball like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► Tension is kind of of Twitter's own invention over their inability to figure out a business plan that that benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1853">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► So I don't trust Twitter particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► but it's not because they have a lot of control because I was I control it too is because it just doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► Twitter understands you know their view of the relationship between third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► and their service is just different than my view from the outside. Well but I think Twitter's view is very valid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► Twitter's view you know I totally see why they want to own the client experience you know the changes they made were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► not only to do squash competition from you know stealing from Twitter and Like taking over their network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► and we're replacing their network but was also to take back control of the client experience for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and to never let a third party client get as big as their client again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► What that allowed them to do then is have the power over their own experience that their product is not an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► It originally kind of was. But now you know for a long time their product has not been the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► It has been the Twitter app but that's their view of the service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► So our view of the service was you're like email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► but smaller like you are you are you are a protocol you are a message format. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► That's not what they actually were like that's how we viewed on the outside in the same way we would make awesome email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► clients back in the day to work with email and you know clarity calls for a time of Clara's e-mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► or come out people love you door involved and those are all email clients and we like the client and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► but pretty email was email or Twitter was Twitter but like Twitter's view of itself is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► and you don't make money being a company that invents pop or us in the beer or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► but like I still get back to Twitter the service would be nothing would be a footnote in history if it wasn't for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► of those clients that that added value in Twitter didn't make this point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► Twitter couldn't make those clients Twitter could only have made one of those clients at most if it is dry to day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► control earlier but there was tons of clients that's what Twitter is what it is today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► Yes sure but that doesn't matter anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► That's ancient history I mean anybody anybody at Twitter who possibly care about that is probably left by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► and that's why we don't trust them anymore like that's why it's not again it's not structural it's not because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► control they have it's because what they have done with that control in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and it's a divorce between the way we will way we saw Twitter and the waitresses itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► and so no change of heart on their part unless they prove that they see their service differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► and that we're on the same page again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► and we don't see they're So you know they're not on the same page just saying oh we let people compete with us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► shows that there's still a disconnect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► We want to think of Twitter as a protocol a service a message format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► or whatever we want to think of Twitter like blogging. No one owns blogging right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► Just conceptually it's a we know what blogging is conceptually but there's no owner of the technology wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► but we want to think of Twitter that way too not that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► So I think will always be sort of you know standing as opposite sides of the gym during the dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► and not ever going into the middle and you know I don't see a way out of this to see any overture and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► and less Twitter changes mind size to become like an infrastructure company. But that's not going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2033">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Yeah I mean it was was the vcs come in and everything it's like well you know they want their money back somehow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► All the bases were there and I think we all thought you know when Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► when Twitter came came to you know to its initial rise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► and we were writing all these clients that was during the era of web development where every web app was expected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► have an A.P.I. Often from the start it was often best wisdom to have an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► First and build your actual app on top of that. Right like the web app was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► Like who cares about the Web and it's all about the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► Right this is kind of like this weird time in web development history where everyone just kind of temporarily forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► about making money and aggrandize happens a lot but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► but this is an especially bad time there are like you know let's make an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► and See what people mash up with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► and the reality is that there's a reason why so many new services these days don't have full size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► So these launch with them because that's just a really hard thing as a business case to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► and it opens you up to a lot of risks of things like you know what if Instagram had had a fully P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► From the beginning where you can read and write and you could make your Instagram client. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► Then what happens when I want to change the way the client works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► You know there was that time in the mid two thousand where A.P.R.'s were expected of the cool thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► but that time is over and it's been over for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► and that's never coming back because it's so difficult from business point per perspective from a control perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► it's so difficult to actually maintain that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► So you know we might expect Twitter to to some day go back to that or we might be mad they're not doing that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► but the reality is it would be a very bad idea for Twitter to ever do that again that was a good move back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► reason ever I was doing it back then it's because it's kind of like a wolf in sheep's clothing where if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► something look like up a protocol or a piece of plumbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► or part of the Internet you can get traction among a certain set of people that like you know we like the utopia we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► think no is there you know here we have an existing protocols and we have an old Pericles we have you know as a sage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► The F.T.P. and N.T.P. All these protocols old and new all kind of mixing together in the studio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► But now when we make these guys we have the rest format we can turn the Web into a giant A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► Machine in order to be liable to be like the Internet but now people can innovate and you know you have the mash ups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► If you make it look like infrastructure people are attracted to especially thank the people because I'm easily you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► Michael what can I do with this if I had this baby and that maybe I could build this and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► and what you don't realize is that all those companies they have the eyes are like lying in wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► and just hoping they become massively popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► and then they go I got how we've got you because this wasn't really a piece of infrastructure really this is a wholly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► owned pride Terry thing we are the only source of it no one else can copy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► We have all the data we can you know you know me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► and Twitter basically you know one succeeded in that strategy of looking like infrastructure to people who weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► and then never realize they're not it's too late it's spread like it's a good way to spread things where if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► made a website people would know like you know I mean I just asked my space how that worked out of my space to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► be a protocol first and then turn the screws in turn to aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► and then really probably wouldn't work for My Space But anyway it's much harder to get people to come to your site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► and make that like his biggest Facebook right. But every whenever I had A P I's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► People were mixing them all together and if any of them caught on you could you could lie in wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► and say like I'm part of the Internet this is not I'm not a single private company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► or a single web site I'm invisible I'm a protocol I'm like after that and then grow to tremendous size like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► and then change your mind and that's what everybody did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► and I still think a strategy could work like if you made something look like a protocol everyone would forget the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► that your private company really control it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► and you can do exactly what triggered it again I think that strategy is not entirely dead because we'll all be fooled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► again by it I mean the same of apps that net right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► Like a slightly better they're charging up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► but it was the same situation we would have all done if that's an error becomes trying to say successful women a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► step up from Twitter but that would have ended up doing the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► We're also sponsored this week by once again our friends at a glue igloo is an Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2280">TS</a>]
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00:38:34 ◼ ► You know if you if you're a customer you don't have to do anything new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► but new devices come out they take care before you they support it for you it's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► You can review a document you can post a project update you can change admin settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► or talk about how do you do albums like on directories I vary all from your phone and I or what brand that phone is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► Plus when you design your igloo any change you make to the look and feel carries across all of these devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► There file preview engine is also fully five compatible so when your coworkers upload a proposal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► or a javascript file you can preview it inline add comments upload new versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► or assign action items all from your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► Recently Gartner released their famed Magic Quadrant for social software in the workplace. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► It will appear for the sixth consecutive year along with tech giants like Microsoft I.B.M. Google V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2352">TS</a>]
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00:39:28 ◼ ► It was praised for the response in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► and customer experience from Gardner's profile of a glue they said feedback from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► It was reference customers was consistently positive they praise the product quick deployment configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► and customization flexibility with self-service options for non-technical users control over branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► and information organization and ease of use. Dixon deep breath is not in the sentence I just took a hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► They also praised the response of this of igloo as an organization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► Anyway if your company has a legacy Internet built on top of Share Point or some kind of old portal technology you got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2394">TS</a>]
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00:40:15 ◼ ► Thank you very much to our friends igloo for sponsoring our show once again their long term friends sponsors of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► show and excellent. So John I want to quickly ask you what's going on with the review. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► How's the initial feedback did you have to make any big updates or is it basically the status quo as usual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► That's so last week we still talking about other things you never know what it was like twenty four hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► or something like that when we when we got to speak about it last. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► Now mostly updates come in the first twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► or I think I did one book update every couple of hours every time for a while but it's been quiet since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► and I only put in a couple of one more updates about core storage application which I mean that we talk about the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2452">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► week the type of things that I think you can test when the final bits aren't out until after you publish your view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► and also the type of thing that I personally can't test because I don't have a web for computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Just me here and I had a lawn or harbor map out which is useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► but that's still like a total of like five computers you know many of which are the same vintage or similar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► So I can't do the time like we installed as low as an you know five different pewters with you know ten different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► partition configurations each and both internal and external drives and determined you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► So I still don't know under what circumstances does a decide to turn your volume into a core storage volume. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► Does it sometimes doesn't do it other times I put a correction in the most recent Gratian I put in was doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► all the time it happens under the scenario didn't happen under this scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► and other people on Twitter like installing into their machines with different partition arrangements stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► when it doesn't doesn't happen so I don't know if I had known that it was that weird like it basically happen every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► and every installation scenario that I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Did my test hardware so that's why I thought it was done all the time and I asked Apple about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► and they were giving explanations of why they were doing it they didn't ever offer the information like oh by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► you know we don't actually do that all the time in these scenarios we want so missing information to be clarified based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► on what I'm trying to do is make it so that if someone stumbles across a three or five years now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► or if I try to look something up in their ear five years from now I will see these little corrections in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► and understand that this is the way I thought things were on a day release or before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► but actually things are more complicated so don't take this is the final word. But on that it's been fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► There's been a big difference in feedback over the years between these things used to be that I would do one interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► and I would have like twenty or thirty pages of comments attached to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► and most of the comments are no longer discussions of the article they're just people complaining about what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► or don't like about your sanity which is fine I guess but it's only a change in commenter behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► and I just I think you know lower volume of comments maybe because they feel like they have other avenues to talk back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► to me like Twitter or whatever and comments that aren't interested in discussing the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► but just are interested in hey everybody was taught by somebody how they're working for you I don't like this I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► that I had this bug I didn't have that bug. Yeah it's mostly done it's off the front page of our slowly fading away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► That with the exception of comments is like what is interest if you can if you can say it like it has. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Interest rates remain high in recent years in the reviews or is that going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► or down it's going down like it has been going down for a couple years it's still not awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► but definitely interest is going to I mean you know people just march should not go see says I don't blame them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► the bigger platform it's more popular more people are likely to have it and you know so it's doing fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and everything but it's like if you were to graph it with the past four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► or five reviews I've read it's a steady downward slope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► Do you think it's a problem with the fact that it's now released every year and so that is more frequent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Or is it a little less of a of a build up to new electorally because they're happening so much more frequently now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► don't think it's the frequency I think it's just the primacy of the mac in the Apple nerd space is just so much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► than it used to be like there used to be all there was it was all about the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► and then I wes has been just coming on strong and now and it's a kind of a generational like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► when i O S was just insanely popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► and long clips that back in terms of every possible number you can imagine early on the people who were interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► reading about it over the same people who had come up with Apple as the apple of that company that makes Max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► and I'm super into Macs right and then I us is I think it's interesting too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► Now there's generations of people who barely even know the mac exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► They grew up thinking of Apple as the i Phone company and they're super interested in reading about I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► and they could care less about the mac I really see a big generational turn over in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► and the people who are you know Apple nerds on the web there's a whole generations of Apple nerds on the Web now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► Maybe you know I don't this is one generation or two whatever who think about those the I was a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► and that's that's what they're into. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► In the same way that like the mac people replace the Apple two people like people who are like I'm really into Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► and it's not you know it's like it's cool to eventually there was a set of people like me who entirely identified Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► as the company that makes the MAC and I could care less about the Apple two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► So that's it's a natural consequence of the different number of these products that they sell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► Well what the mac is selling more than ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► So do you think it's more more of an issue of just like the nerds not caring as much about each Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► Update I saw way more of those devices than Macs like in terms of numbers in terms of revenue in terms of profit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► every possible metric that I was devices equips Macs easily you know maybe maybe it's just me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► I've never once read anybody's long I left reviews because I mean part of it is like I'm involved in I was bitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► process so I already know John what's different but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► I've never felt the need because it seems like I last change is a kind of more I don't know it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► They seem very relatively surface level in what you could possibly discuss about them like you could do a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► internals a lot of the reasoning a lot of the like you know under the hood stuff I don't see why people do that with I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► wouldn't usually use like here's an overview of the features and visuals that have changed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► Well there's less poking you can do it I was like you can't you can't get a terminal you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► but you know I mean I get with it without going to more heroic lengths you can get a terminal prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► and start screwing around with things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and moreover if you do jailbreaking get a good internal process going with things that has ZERO to do with most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► people's interaction with the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► Whereas on the Maccabee open a Terminal A lot of people who use the mac about as part of their experience of using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► O. S. Like the terminal is not a jailbreak feature like your bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► And yes I remember of a back in the days before ten point zero came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► and all the developer previews that was a hot topic would Apple what Apple shipped the terminal with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► You know us ten would Apple ship it but have a disabled or hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► or you know like that that was something researchers thought about because the old school mac users saying you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► going to sell a mac with a command line or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► Those of us who are your ignorance are like please let them do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► Like the whole point is it's most of the UNIX was a mac compliant they ship but we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► but you know Apple may be just the terminal be a developer download kind of like you know the graph tools are graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► tools are now for X. Go to very well you have to go to A.T.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► To get them whatever you build the user but they want to advertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► but it turned out it totally shipped with it they never got rid of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► They never hated the utilities folder it's still there today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► All right so but that's that's just not what I want is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► and the second aspect is I'm kind of cheating with these reviews I found myself doing it. This is the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► I found myself going to the metal sessions and taking notes and like what the hell am I doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► Metal isn't even a mac technology but you start thinking of it as a big point of view. You start thinking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2874">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► All these things as just part of Apple's platform. Like I could have written that entire swift section this is an I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► but I'm writing about it as if it's an Apple technology because there's nothing stopping it from appearing on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► Except for Apple's willingness to you know point to the G.B. Use that are available on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Which granted are much more numerous and would be much more difficult and much more reason than to put it on i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► but like so many technologies apply to both that a larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► and larger portion of the review could have been you know I could change it to or VO I was eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► and put a lot of that same stuff in there so I don't know I don't I don't know that well that has to do with traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► or anything I just I just think the them the mac is less a focus even though so many things that are relevant to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► rack or a mac are also relevant i O. S. and Vice versa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► Still I us is where everyone's eyes are it do you think it's because there's less to see on Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► Every year or because no one's paying attention. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► Well that there was time to say I mean like I mean this is the way it looks totally different you would lay person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► could tell a difference I think between Mavericks in Yosemite at least of these are two different voices because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► just plain look different but I mean this just as much as I mean I was eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► when you look at it like oh look the guy was somewhat even different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► and unless you know all extensions on people of that there are absolute better in this way or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► but it's really like I was a it was a much more subtle change from seven than Yosemite was for Maverick so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► think that was the problem either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► Like if anything people should be super bored by I was eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► and really excited by somebody if just based on like the sort of in your face wow factor of the changes because I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► dozen not in your face about almost anything you know to go back marker you had said who writes a really big Iowa state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► review for the show Rene Ritchie did a pretty solid one for I mourn that we should definitely mention in fact I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► it was crashing Safari I don't remember if that was on the macaroni or west but the darn thing is a single page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► and it's so darn big that it ended up causing issues for a lot of users. That's how in-depth it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► I concur with what you were saying that it's harder to poke it I alas it's harder to get the depth that John does with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► a less ten review but nevertheless his I was the review was huge. Yeah when I look at the I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► Us updates I always thank my lucky stars that I'm not doing and I was like maybe not so much an A but I can seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► and everything because there is so many changes so many things that are different so many screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► and just all the screen touch have to retake every time there's a new beta. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► Yeah well you know I don't know if it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► or worse that you'd be filling your camera with screen shots here that they don't have a good way to screenshot things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► you know it's like crop and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► Anyway I guess is kind of easier in that all your screens are so full screen on Windows and backgrounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► and especially seventy what the various I.O.'s updates have been like Wow I'm glad I'm not reviewing this because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► had a ton of new features because it was the young Oh yes and they just added tons of you know like thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► So everything changed you know there's not there's very little that to build an abstraction is the way you deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3054">TS</a>]
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00:51:02 ◼ ► and stuff those are those are big changes we expect that in the early versions of our now it seems like it's settling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► down a little bit so now you have teachers like extensions which seem to be non featured at all you just like go I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► don't see anything different like you got away for the app then it will be totally different but just trust me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► but how do you really review that and you've got to talk about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► Speculative Leigh maybe it may be that the difference that I'm that I'm perceiving or whether it's real or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► Maybe the difference in perceiving is that the I.R.S. Reviews that I've seen all seem to be extremely long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► I don't want a comprehensive overview of everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► OK sounds like just a slide show like a lot of people do that you know get a gallery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► or a slide show here's every screen it's different right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► I mean an artist is that a slide show like they're asked me if I was going to galleries in marriage you could have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► gallery feature where you can just take a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► or is having a carousel that you have to flip through them right on the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► and I said no I'm not going to have any galleries because I'm old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► and the way I do things is I write words on a screen shot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► And then I write more words and as you know it's like it's interleave like it would never be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► and here's fifty photos of this new app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► You know even if I could put a caption every single one that's not this is not how I do or of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► and they did a slide show that showed essentially years of this kind of like a maverick here's what I look like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► Yosemite Africa. Each one had a caption or not but that gallery was tremendously popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► Like a lot of people do want that out of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► and the other thing you talk about I got a reference type thing those in the old days where you'd go to the bookstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► and there would be like you know you know all them a guide to Macca was a to learn macro as a twenty one days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► and it would just be this gigantic paperback book that would just go take you through laboriously every single featured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► a time here's how your name a file in the Finder Here's how you move here how you copy a file I just every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► friggin thing you need to know do you like essentially a manual for the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► And that's not a review at all that is that is the manual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► Right and there's a place for that as well but like these days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► No one's going to write a book like that at least not trying to be out of the time Yosemite's launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► but probably something like that in bookstores but that's not what people are looking for and back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► when I was on top of it and when the OS was small I could pretty much document every single pixel the change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► and every single new short keyboard shortcut in behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► but it's been years since Macko us ten has been small enough for me right now just to begin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► and choose which things that were important that was a big transition America because going from ten o o ten one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► could try to find every single thing because there was like five things that changed you know except for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► But going from you know ten four to ten five forget it like there's no way that that I could fit everything in under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► that is under I still have power though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3224">TS</a>]
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00:53:55 ◼ ► and then says you know the e-mail says up I'm back in regular power and I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► When I get that that means either someone plugged into many vacuum cleaners or the same circuit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► and you know a dual power blip or as we just heard here earlier the houses on the street lost power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► and our power flickered for a second so I know our power flickered because like an email about it from my I never get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► that storage device that is tied to logical events and right there that timing was fine editing as observed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3258">TS</a>]
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00:57:09 ◼ ► All right so let's talk a little bit about Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► I don't know why I said it like that but it sounds good in my head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► or might say was a US ten Yeah you know a stand that was amazing Stephen who yells at me for retina Padmini did I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► where the pen Mini I meant retina Padmini said US ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and I yelled at him about this me so it was an action into Oh I think it's better I think it's an improvement I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► we should go with that use Neal as tent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► Oh I think so too but he's the king of the pedantic people when it comes to these sorts of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► So we're going to talk about your Ryan Mack later Hi Stephen. But for now it's about sanity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► So have you installed it Marco. No I have it I have it on my laptop that I hardly ever use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► I have not is one of my desktop for reason that will make you angry. I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3473">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Probably should know what you're alluding to because we're going to replace it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Yeah because you seventy kind of apparently looks like crap on non retina screens so I'm trying to never see it on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► on retina screen. Doesn't look like crap it just doesn't look as nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► It's so adorable for you guys who live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► and not you John I should say you Marco who lives in this oh so mighty fine tower high up in the beautiful middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► Well I will only look at things on my flick of the hair retina screens I don't want to be I don't want my actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► retinas tarnished by non retina screens. OK I hate towers I have no hair I hate the water are nowhere near the water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► You know what I mean you know what I mean I have to seriously I have precisely zero retina Macs in my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and only a couple of people have them at work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► Those of us who live in the real world have to look at Yosemite on regular screens and you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► I actually don't think it looks bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► I will say however that there are there's so much white It's like white everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and I kind of miss having a little bit of contrast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► I do think it looks pretty but gosh especially since I've run multiple screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and I typically don't use full screen mode for a lot of stuff. It's just white everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► Where do you see ready you see all the way like what I don't have heard people say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► but I don't that's not the impression that I get I get different impressions of the You either like I guess Liz let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► contrast but I don't see all the white like where were you seeing this white coming from where it wasn't before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► Well here's here's a question Casey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► You are the most recent Windows user among us are you a window Maximizer only for a couple of windows so I always run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► more fusion speaking of Windows. I always run that in a window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► But taking up an entire screen I find that it behaves better when it's in a window rather than. When it's full screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► My text editor of choice for my web site what I'm writing for that which isn't terribly often is Adam judges you well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► don't care. It works for me. That's the good one. Yes look good by the way I like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► But to be fair I'm not a particularly heavy user of a text editor I don't have particularly involved or complex needs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► So those of you who are like face palming and and like somebody in the chat is saying yuck seriously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► Yes seriously because you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► It works for me I don't have a lot of complex needs and it works just fine so that I run full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► but just about everything else I run in a window. So where is all the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► Where are you seeing so much any non-active window which if you have a few of them on the screen maybe they're grainy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► They are there they're like they're lighter gray maybe than they used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► and there's less contrast between the parts like the window widgets go lighter grey not doesn't Congress as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► they and even things like you know the window like the toolbar thing like in Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► or whatever is a little bit lighter and less of a gradient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► but I don't find a prickly blinding I still find it pleasing and nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and I think it's a nice aesthetic upgrade my one big complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► and I talked about it extensively in the review is the whole transparency issue I think you know that the thrust of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► that's actually there it was like here's what they're doing here is the technology behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► and you know here is how it manifests in the O S and then and then the question of why why are you doing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► What's the point. What I you've done this thing. I see how you're doing and I see the different ways of using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► What are you trying to say where you get to what and this transparency. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► What is that behind the menu bar that I desperately need to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► Do it you know I don't really see details that I need to see hints of the color of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► and stop acting like what is the helping you all you all you're doing is like potentially impairing readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► potentially making things ugly and exchange. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Our dot dot dot and so I think I asked Apple this and I pulled out his own quotes from W.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► Here's what they said in exchange for you know the temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► and mood of your desktop background leaking through into the things and by the way this is a gust on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► and you are confused about it I tried to clarify the matter of you but maybe not enough sentences about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► and vibrancy this transparency they wanted in window blending where you're scrolling up something behind the toolbar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and whatever it is you're scrolling up behind it to a bar kind of like shows through the toolbar little bit right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► and the second one the weirder one is Africa Open It's called it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► and the other kind of the other hand transparency is where it's composite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► and with the other things that are on the screen so like the sidebars have that kind of transparency where if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► and you wave something around behind it like another window you can kind of vaguely see the thing you're waving around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► behind it through the transparent if you like control drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► or something you know bring to the you know only the window in the front has this transparent effect on it so you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► to sort of drag window behind something and drag the window in front back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► and forth in front of something you can see that's going on right for that transparency mower you can see the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► behind the window. Apple also takes a touch of your desktop pattern and also mixes it into that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► And it's subtle so that people don't even see it if you don't point it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► but if you just take like a transparent I have little application just as a you know transfer of light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► and dark transparent windows I can strike anywhere to take anything with a side bar take a huge white text that window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► and put the transfer window over you like art the only thing is behind its windows in totally empty one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► white thing right and you put it over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► and if you have like a very intense color desktop background like one of Apple things were grass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► or something everything is all green. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► You'll notice that your side bars tend to be green and you like why the hell is my sidebar ten degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► and the only thing behind the side bar is one hundred percent white opaque window. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Where is the green coming out of the answer is is coming from your desktop background did you change your desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► background or something it's all red. Suddenly your side bar will be tense with red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► Now when you have something other than a complete white behind it you to miss this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► If you take like a little hint of brown because you're just kind of brownish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► and you mix it with whatever is behind it like a picture that's behind it you'll never see that hint of brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► but if you just have white behind it you'll see the center of this other color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► and this does you know take the temperature and mood or whatever of your desktop and put it into your windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► but why I have a desktop out and I like it work which is like my son standing in a bunch of pumpkins. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► So it's a lot of green a lot of a lot of orange for the pumpkins and his blue jacket that he's wearing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► And now all of my side bars are infected with the orange you know a rusty tinge I love that picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► I did not like the orange tinge on all of my menus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► and sidebar So I'm faced with a choice change my desktop pattern picture which is now leaking into all my windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► or turn on transparency and you know it's kind of like working as designed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► It is it is changing the mood of my desktop but not for the better and my opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that's it it's so weird to me because I look at this and I genuinely think wow this really is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► and I think to myself you know I like the look of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► and then two seconds later I look at maybe the other screen because I'm a two screen kind of guy and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and that's where all the non-active windows are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► and yes maybe it's gray it's white whatever doesn't matter the point is there's no contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► and just it's like a wall of very very very very light gray and that I don't care for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► but generally speaking I do like the look of it it does seem more modern. It seems nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► It's a little creepy going over the windows in seeing what is the Metro and hair and glasses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► That's what I'm thinking why do I know this and you know I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► So anyway I look at the arrow and I'm like Oh look that's. Don't want to wait that's been that way for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► So they all kind of blend together a little better now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► but all in all I like the I like the work even though it's weird I like a lot of the new features like the estimates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► relay that I was talking about that's really awesome. But I mean you know it's new it's cool. I enjoy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► Sums up I'm a little worried like looking at this you know sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► when you introduce a new design it takes people allowed it to really like adjust to it because it's like it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► shockingly different from the last one like I was seven when that was unveiled it's like whoa this is so different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► But eventually people like this is really good I think heavy use of translucency in desktop interfaces with overlapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► windows is questionable it's always unquestionable is questionable in Windows when Windows Vista did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► but a decade ago now that's kind of sad actually but anyway we are so old looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► and it's I think it's kind of a near like is this really good idea and like I don't think anyone looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► and saying this looks amazing everything about this is such a good idea I think it's a lot more measures like well some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► of this looks good some of this is kind I don't know what they're doing and I guess maybe we'll get used to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► Like is anybody really enthusiastic about the design. I haven't heard it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► I have this to say for like if you if you look at the screenshots if you scroll to remember view is nine times as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► have just you know scrolling through looking at things like that and the screen shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and the Yosemite view I think are the most visually interesting of any review because like I mean you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► other reviews toolbars look like two hours away from a never change an interview of course I'm explicitly taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► pictures of the window with different things behind it with different things growing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► and they look amazing to me like as sort of like interesting works of art you know like I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► when I scroll is your I love the crazy Rainbow Colors truth is through these things like It looks it's pretty to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4072">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► I'm emphasizing on picking the most extreme scenarios to show you what your windows might look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► and partially I'm doing it to show how bad it is like for example in the Safari screenshot way show the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► rainbow colored windows like this is all the same window I'm just changing tabs look crazily different the window looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► but if you just look at an isolationist pieces of art or even like the docks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► and different backgrounds they all look really nice and interesting like so I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► There was the other reasoning like we're doing this because we want to let you control the mood of your west by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► and also we're doing this so that things look pretty like that same reasoning to anything like fashion like we wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► to look pretty I think it does look pretty and a lot of scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► and the thing is I think we just went a little bit over the line I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► but the stand there if you like this habit they have of trying to do something going too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► and then having to back it off they did in Iowa seven with a super thin fonts and backed off before release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► and you know I had to they back up any stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► and I was eight maybe a little bit more I don't know I don't know the details but an honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► and they've done it like crazy in ten point zero in the previews they had a super translucent inactive title bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► and all windows and they backed that off because it was a bad idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► They had all sorts of other kinds of pinstripes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► and translucency that were just way too strong that they had to back off later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► Even the translucent menu bar which I railed against and thought was ridiculous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► They backed off and added in a checkbox for right so I mean maybe this is just the way you go you know go too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► and then take it back and instead of being too timid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► But I think they've essentially going to begin I think they only want a little bit too far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► Like I like the translucent dock I think that is a perfect use of hey make it pretty and have crazy cause behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► but you can still see your icons because it's pretty chunky like huge icons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► Maybe when you get smaller gets worse they could've had the opacity increases they got smart they want to be clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► The translucent title menu bar I really don't like I would have wished they had a check mark there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► but it's not the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► but the sidebars over kill me because I like using Outlook all day at work I don't want to see this muddy dingy side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► bar where some text is doing a vibrancy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► when you're selecting the good boldness just like the people who made a look never designed their app with that in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► then all of a sudden they find themselves running on your family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► and their entire cyber are just totally screwed over and looking ridiculous and I look at it every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► and it's like a scene that's a lower contrast now than it used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► and I'm faced with a lot of decision about changing a desktop picture I like because it's infecting my windows so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► they're so close like there was just one checkbox and say no trends in menu bar none close inside bars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► Everything else about the system I think is great I think the buttons look way of better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► I even like a little skinny progress bar as I think it looks clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► and crisp I like the window which is even though I could move in little things with my eyeglasses because of chromatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► aberration. Well you see there they were the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► Steven hacker posted a pretty good photo I think it was him that it actually like the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► Is actually off center in the in the bottle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► That's just some pixel some pixel rendering for that it's not actually off center. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► No I think it actually is I think it's a hand takes a half point also on retina screen section one pixel off on someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► sent in a screen shot of the actual pixels like from Pixie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► You're right and it was centered but they do some pixel if you look at the picture elements it gets often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► but I read a chromatograph variation with eyeglasses trumps all of that I can move I can move that circle so the axis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► Presley poking out of the side of it you can just turn your convergence knob in your head and fix it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► Lighting light enters the lens as they enter the pupil and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► and anyway that's all separate issue I almost put that in their view but I thought it would have been a distraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► but I have been tweeting about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► People don't know what we're talking about window widgets and Mavericks are solid primary colors red yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► and green and different colors bend different amounts when they go through lenses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► and the the little glimpse inside the circles are completely black So if you have glasses powerful glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► and you turn your head so that the red light comes in a different angle the red green and the yellow widgets will move. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4312">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► You've put the black will not move as much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► So what it looks like to you what it looks like it looks like the exits inside the red circle. Look for that X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► Is moving to the side and so now the axis touching left edge of the circle. Now the next step in the right is now the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► Touching the top of the circle like you want the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► but as you move your head the extremes to move around what's really happening is that the circles move around the axis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► kind of things that will be the way that will bring to the Wikipedia article on chromatic aberration this is just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► This is an effect that is emphasized by the fact that is just plain flat red instead of being like the little jewel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► like specular highlighted reddish thing where it is much less visible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► So a lot and even if you don't have glasses Mark I was talking about is if you just look at the pixels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► I know for some pixel rendering it's going to be off by at least a partial some pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► and Margo seem to think that it's all saw by one hairline half a point pixel on retina which I'm not sure about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► but it wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't have the right never fickle so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► I don't fault the design for that I think the design looks great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► and people with glasses all the colors are shifting I mean everyone glasses knows we used to look at C.R.T.'s you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► do converge the edges of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► and see like a red line on ledge of the screen the blue line the other edge like a sister my glasses work I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► Around avoiding that there's no avoiding it a white square wall will demonstrate Miss convergence if you cut your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► in a powerful enough glasses so we glassware is just deal with it and everyone else you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► I think that's fine I guess that's why I didn't buy it in their view it was I knew about it from a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► but I'm like this like it's kind of like I don't want to make another bend to good type thing like Yosemite comes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► a feature that causes window widgets to leave their circles it's like it's just guys chill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► It could be a really advanced parallax feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► and it's not parallax I thought until I don't I don't need any extra elements that are moving in relation to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► so going back a minute before I move on Dillon back a minute to the blur being potentially annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► or being a downside. Certain designs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► If you look at the design of Windows Phone seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► and the kind of Metro design that brought in it has a lot of downside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► and just like the the design language it creates has certain limitations with things like showing complex navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► and you know showing things being tappable versus not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and things like that that there are certain challenges that that entire design language an entire design style just has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► certain built in shortcomings that like it is not possible to design X. Well in that style. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► Every design style has things like this do you think the Iowa seven like aesthetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► and the way it has been kind of half taken for you or somebody do you think that requires the blur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► It's a language you know to to look right or to be harmonious with the minium and everything else around it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► Do you think it requires that or do you think the blur is like just a cost that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► when building certain kinds of interfaces with this new style that we're going to have to live with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► Or do you think they could have done something else there that wouldn't just totally look crappy that you could've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► the family resemblance by using that blur in the places that were already translucent so use it on the dock obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► use it on little overlays the come when you change the screen brightness or volume right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► Is it on like you know floating palettes or like you know the many pulled out menus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► and stuff like that effect which is not just a blurry it's a blur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► Plus you know pulling forward of certain colors an increasing saturation in certain areas like that is that statically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► pleasing effect that adds interest without taking away you know readability because I thought one of the things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► but we don't want what's behind it interferes so we have this crazy effect all over Iowa seven for transient things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► could be on you know Yosemite for transient things as well where you get into trouble is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► when you start making it part of permanent your interface almost like the sidebars into a box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► The two bars I can see what they're doing there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► Because if you just made it to a bar like opaquely as I said they're completely opaque it still looks pretty handsome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► like it's not it's a nice design but it's also kind of plain and the in window blending as annoying as it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► and as distracting as it can be and sometimes as ugly as it can be also sometimes adds interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► and has less of a chance of impairing readability because not a lot of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► and toolbars like it's a bunch of big fat buttons the buttons are still opaque. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► You're not really hurting readability the sidebars are just a bridge too far because they're filled with text. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and it's such a huge part of the application like a new Safari window the toolbar is one hundred percent great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► but you haven't scrolled anything up behind to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► or any web page scroll to the top like there's nothing behind to get it just you have a chance for it to be a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► percent gray but the sidebar outlook is forever infected by my desktop pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► and possibly even worse infected if there's nothing behind it except for the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► or some other crazy window behind it so I think you could have gotten the family resemblance without going as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► they did but I think what more were they were going for is how do we make this interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► And someone said hey look at this I can mix colors into the parts of the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and It is kind of very like like the Arab glass if you talk about which is like kind of like what I was ten that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► forget was that was in ten point zero or D P three or D. Before something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► Well I guess there are any window that was inactive its title bar was kind of Aero Glass They didn't have the didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► have the ability to blur back them because they were taken in too slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► but it is made it super transparent like it really looks like frosted glass like ten percent capacity right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► But you know you're somebody doesn't so it doesn't make every single title translucent you can see what's behind it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► It makes the title bars one hundred percent opaque until something scrolls up behind it if you happen to do in window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► And developers can choose to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► or not it's not like Aero Glass hour glass was a bridge too far I hate seeing people's windows machines that have air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► glass because they just look like a damn mess. It's like it's just too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► Side bars are also too much but not everyone has a side bar and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► It's it's not like they took the entire West and said everything is see through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► They just made maybe one or two too many things. Show what's behind them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► But always see I like the transparency in principle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► but I agree with you I think it's been turned up too high if you will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► And and it needs to be backed off a bit and it's not even it's not even up to high. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► It's like it was I think it's the right amount it's just like like I said their view if you're developing an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► application it's actually ties into the extension section Cleaver not like the old dead world of extensions is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► write a great app and then someone comes along and jumps into my memory image of my process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► and start screwing with it like I wrote an app I did bug did I tested it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► I'm sure it works correctly and then you're going to jump into my code and put a jump instruction there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► and jump off from some other section of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► and jump back there are a few changes state of something in my program I can't defend against that how can I debug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► when someone is modifying my code while it's running like I have no idea who these people are what their software does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► what it's doing to my application it's unsupportable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► and that's why people hate extensions that our memory never patching is then screw you know because a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► developer is like the worst thing in the world like look to bug my own program with code that I wrote is hard enough on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► but now you telling me that while my perfectly debugged nice program is running some other program that someone who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► never met is going to jump into my program and change how it behaves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► That's crazy it's unsupportable right well if you're a designer and you say I'm going to design an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► and it's going to look like this and I'm going to make sure everything is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► and I make sure all the Texas readable and all the interactions are nice or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► and then I have no control over what the background of my sidebar is that it's up to whatever is behind that window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► and whatever the person's desktop background as I was relying on the system to keep my text legible and not look ugly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► That's not as untenable as memory patching stench because of a crash or app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► but from a design perspective it's almost untenable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Like I can't you know if you don't even give me the option to make that completely opaque I feel like it is can you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► sidebar anymore I just have to you know use a different U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and Because I did not want I can't control what you're going to put in my window how much was the design it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► when I can control that. Anything else on your family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► Tons more news I'm even offered today if I want to very quickly talk about Apple Pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► and complain that I haven't had a chance to use a gap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► and that was most of the reason for bringing it up the other part of this I want to bring up whatever part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► reason I want to bring it up is it struck me just a few minutes ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► It seems to me a little odd that neither target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► nor Home Depot who arguably need Apple pay the most since they seem to be leaking like a sieve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► when it comes to credit card numbers. Neither of them are supported right now which is a bummer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► Well there's there's a pretty big downside to this for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► and that is that the way they used to run credit cards they could automatically track you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► and everything you bought identified by your credit card number and the name that was read to the readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► and so they were I don't know that they did this but they probably did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► They had the ability to make money off of off of that and you know Mark it to you in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► or at least track what you were doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► and sell that data to somebody so like Apple to actually removes a revenue stream from these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► and so I can totally see why certain vendors are not going to be interested in doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► and you know eventually they'll be pressured into doing it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► But I can see why they would want to be launch partners at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► and would want to do it sooner than they have to because they depend on being creepy as part of their business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► and Apple is taking away one way that they can be creative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► but they are to have in the case of target anyway they have alternate ways of being creepy which is their shoot it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► like a shopping cart app I forget the name of it now and it's going to drive me nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► but basically there's an app that you can get and you can scan bar codes while you're standing in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► and it will selectively issue you. Coupons and so then when you go to check out it puts up a Q.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► Code card we'll thank you Friday pants in the chat. Interesting name by the way. It will show it will show a Q.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► Code that they scan and in on a cart wheel app and then that'll give you money off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► and granted it's nice for the consumer because you get a little bit of a discount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► but I am quite confident they're doing exactly what you describe which is check tracking that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► OK Aaron and I went in and we looked at this thing and it didn't have a discount we looked at this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and it didn't have a discount but we looked at that thing and it did have a discount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► and you know piecing that all together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► and wasn't a target that ended up telling somebody else Dad that his daughter was pregnant. Yeah there is that story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► Yeah they sent the house like diaper coupons or something like that because the daughter had gone to Target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► and bought like pregnancy tests or something along those lines I forget exactly what the details were. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► So you make a very good point which actually I hadn't considered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► But nevertheless I'm just bombed that I'm looking at the list of people that are accepting Apple Pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► and I Cajun only go to McDonald's I actually happen to really like their breakfasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► I more often go to Pinera bread but haven't been back since Monday. We already spent all of our money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► I know what I'm saying I haven't been there in a couple of weeks. Bonaire and today that's really rough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► It's terrible we spent all of our money a Babies R Us a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► or so we can only be two weeks ago I was actually at a Walgreens just a few days back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► but it was like Sunday so man this terrible I haven't used to get I don't know what to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► I apparently have to go buy some stuff I don't need. I seem you haven't used a marker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► I used it once at Whole Foods yesterday or something. Oh and how they DON'T TELL ME ABOUT IT WAS GREAT. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► What I was really incredibly impressed by was how insanely fast it was like so ever since you can touch ID on a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5031">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► On my my typical thing is I pull the phone out of my pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► and as I'm pulling out of my pocket my thumb is already on the home button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► and has already tapped it so it is unlocking as I'm listing it up to the time I read it up to my face level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► or whatever level I'm using that it is almost always unlocking by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► or has already unlocked by them so I get to this instinctively I raise it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► and I saw on screen my credit card for a split second I saw the Touch ID thing fill in the fingerprint for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► literally half a second and it was done. I'm like well but it was so fast I blew me away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► I still have the sign No it was it was just over a hundred dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► Maybe that's why I did not the size that was like a little bit like like an animal you know but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► But then when I went to I went to another store later on that day to get some other stuff and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► And of course I do use a regular machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► and it felt so archaic even today I've been doing is like every day of my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5093">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► Entire adult life and and I've never thought this is really a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and now all of a sudden everything else feels old and broken. Why did you have to sign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► I think if you live remember hours like there's probably still a threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► but you can get out of a whole foods without spending one hundred dollars and I know the story link. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► I'm guessing it's just like other signature rules are there's probably some threshold that you know possibly depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► the store or the type of merchant account they have or something. But we will see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► I don't expect ever to be able to rebel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► That is theoretically an uprising of the whole thing comes out spend the hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► and possible you know it's it's funny you bring up getting at Whole Foods for a hundred dollars a really quick story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► Couple years ago I typically bring my lunch to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► and I just eat at my desk in a couple years ago for whatever reason I had forgotten it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► or whatever so I decide you know I'll go to Whole Foods which is a store I very rarely go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► and only go to their little salad bar that is that is way more than a salad bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► and I get myself a little smorgasbord of you know randomness. So I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Like a little box and I put all the food I want in there thinking you know this is probably like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► or ten bucks worth of food and I go to check out and it was a solid like eight hundred dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► Too many hard boiled eggs they go by the way and I don't know I'm not I think I think what it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► This is my first thought as soon as I as soon as I was checked out was should have been a little lighter on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► and cheese. That's tough stance. That's a rookie mistake that all of that was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► and cold food mixes by weight things like the in the handful of those places I'm sure the from everywhere BUT LIKE THAT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► Like if you if you get a job in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► and you're going to lodge everybody you go to a place that has one of those big hot bars in the middle like rookie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► Never go to those things because like all the stuff that looks good is so fricken heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► and you know you put like a little side of some pasta at like you know a little piece of chicken in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► But there's no way of getting out of there and getting a good deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► and they have the viability for the kind of fruit where they will take for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► and cut it into a few thousand dollars a square like I don't know how they're pricing the labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► but like you can buy a whole pineapple her X. Amount and you can buy a Cup quarter final for twenty X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► Well clearly we're in that we're in the wrong business we should be getting to the cutting for business right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► That's obviously worth a large premium. Now John since you have a i Phone be it apples or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► Well done on my lawn hardware is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► and you mentioned before other people were telling me like well you think you're somebody signed if you look at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► industry I also have no retina Macs either at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► or at work you know so my loaner hardware that I used to have your family is all gone including the phone so I am back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► to my dumb phone I'm back to all my non random acts so I have not use Apple to answer questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► OK And what is the current plan with regard to getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► and i Phone Is that still happening is happening soon happening later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► Probably a lot of them are they reminded me today that about Apple discounts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► They have those friends and family discounts and so I may be able to get one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► and if I do do that that will influence my hardware buying decisions and I gotta figure out how all those work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► I'm very annoyed that I didn't even know these existed until today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and I have known existed because various people have offered them to me in the past when I wasn't buying hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► and I just keep forgetting that they exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► So with that in mind let's really quickly I know we're running a little long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► Marco did you order a Ryan Mack I think so it's a little vague with the business reps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► when your order has actually been placed I have not yet been charged for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► and I asked if they had an order not because they said it was it was already really preparing for shipment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► but so I don't know I have no tracking number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► I have tried the look at my order number and I don't even know what e-mail address they put in for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► and I tried a few and they couldn't find anything so I don't know it's always vague with business reps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► Fair enough and John are you intending to buy a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► Not so waiting forever else they get theirs and see what they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► and you know all that jazz although I keep Now that I hear more and more about the i Pad Air too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► and lusting after more so I don't know I don't I don't know I got it after my view is done I have all these like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► I'm going to buy it to reward myself for finishing again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► and you know use some of the money I get paid for their view to buy stuff like one of the things I want to get a P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► For been like I don't really need to be as for there's no games out there that I want now I guess the wait on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► maybe by the time by a slim version will be out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► If I wait long enough they read in Iraq well you know way to market to help them are all the problems are blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► blah i Phone I'm probably going to deal with all the hassles of trying to like you know get a Verizon family plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► and doing all that Billings thought that I was going to be a nightmare. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► And then the arbutus Council make sense of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► and so you know paralysis means I just end up sitting here not by anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► but I will buy some things eventually probably before the end of the year. That's extremely useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► You can you know I don't want to die. So that's true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► Hardware may or may not be showing up at both of our houses some point here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► This gracious thanks was worth responses this week. Back please. Igloo and Linda dot com and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► and to use your time today sir said that he read so I went back to my smaller i Pod touch now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5426">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► and I just use the big phone. And then I went back to a small one and a small one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► The biggest things I feel are it so that skinny or not so much the height [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► but the skinniness I just feel like I get used to the wider screen and just having like more of a web page visible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► and stuff even like reading tweets real like when what's the big deal it just feels wider. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► But the other thing is like even though I can reach so much more of the the i Pod Touch I don't know like I started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► even have the short time I had the sex. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► I started to get like the hand motions to reach the really far parts of the screen like the hand shuffle I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► to do to reach the upper left corner. I started to get good at that and now I want to go back to the small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5515">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► I want to start doing that motion and it's like you don't need to do that motion to get that corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► and I like I don't know if you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► I've built up skills of playing a particular game and now the game has been taken away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► and the skills that I've built up are not useful anymore I'm kind of sad about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► It's a strange feeling that I did not I did not expect to have this feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► but it just it just feels like I was getting good at that big thing I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► and it's not there's not so much positive feeling I go this is so much more I like it so much better there's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► that much of that I do I do feel it a little bit less kind of less precarious but again I was using without a case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► So it's weird I get my i Phone six eventually how I feel about a longer term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► So out of curiosity what what is making you not buy yet if you've already decided that you're probably going to buy an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► i Phone six point six has come out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► We know it's not going to change until roughly year from now when it will be a terrible hundred i Phone six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► Why not get it now has a side of my going to go into an Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and do it how am I going to deal with phone number stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► My how are we going to change our horizon plan if I just you know they would eventually like it just as anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► involved with it other than me clicking a bunch of buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► and waiting for a package to show up at my house then it's an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and stubbornness that Casey I'm betting he doesn't get i Phone six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► I'm betting this takes until close enough to next fall that John has decided to wait because I wait until next hour. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► Here's here's the bet I will take that bet but if you lose I get to give you a playlist for pre-show music one night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► You pick the wrong thing to bet their cases are going to win this bet these are things pick something much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► that. And look I'm willing to do that. Yeah exactly. It's him it's moot anyway he had a deal. Now what else going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► Do we have anything to say about this game or Gates stuff isn't really much to say other than it's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► but I have two links that I'm going to put into the show notes it's still it's still grinding on we talked about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5633">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Before they get a lot of bad feedback about it because I think people who know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► or care about this issue don't listen to our podcast which is nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► Honestly I'm kind of glad that the people who are already Jean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► and crazy on the gamer gate side of it like trying to like the abuse of these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► and kind of let it listen to our show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► So that's also a very good fans to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► and then we got one e-mail from like that the well meaning people who like were affiliated with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► but you know couldn't understand why I was trashing him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► and so on is over that I replied to one of them by e-mail who sent along the amount what I basically said is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► though your intentions may be good and even though this is like weeks and weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► and even though you may not have done anything bad even though you agree with the stated aims of this movement the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► movement itself has been entirely co-opted and tainted by all the bad things that happen that is corrupted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► and by associating yourself with it you are bringing yourself down like it's basically you know I don't I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► If I try to think of some group of this applies to what is going into other situations but anyway this group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► and this name has been irredeemably tainted it doesn't matter what they do going forward doesn't like the name the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► banner it's just too many bad things have happened under this banner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► and you can yell all you want about that's not what it's really about Babatz too late now so if you really believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► the good things that you think this thing you know the gamer gets out it was about you must This is so see it from them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► Start a new hash tag and under a new banner with a new name and a new platform or whatever because this one is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► and if you really care about the things you wouldn't care about the name it's associated with because you would just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► off and do something else and fight for whatever is you think you're fighting for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► But gamer gate is you know is as lost is lost to decent people so anyway there's been tons of links of others I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► tweeting about it people complain that I tweet about it they don't want to hear about it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► Tough luck if you don't you don't like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► Well somebody else ought to be able to talk now about how many people ought to tell him what he should be tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Like that's you know that's the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► and that's it is it is the ultimate in luxury to be able to say I'm tired of this game or a good thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► Yeah I think must be nice not in any way whatever I don't want I don't get into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► So the two links I have these are actually from today and there's been a lot of good ones and I've been reading them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► and tweeting about these two good kind of book and not this thing is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► but two good book ends as of where we are right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► One is from the respective of a journalist who is trying to write stories about gamer gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► and was frustrated with the process of trying to just just do straight up this is this is the view from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► This is the sort of disengaged dispassionate view of the thing worth like I don't know this is I'm not a gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► but I'm a reporter and I'm trying to report on this and here and here's the frustrating situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► and you know here's why it's difficult to report on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► And so I'll put this edition with us from New York magazine who is the person who wrote this has been a before Jessie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► single I don't know if that's a man or a woman it shouldn't matter but when it comes to game or get it definitely does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► So that's the view from the outside and the view from the inside is Felicia Day who you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► or may not know as a actress and online media person doing all sorts of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► And it also known as a gamer hasn't said much about gamer gate but finally posted something about game gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► and hers is a personal story of like how it is affecting her and why she was afraid to say anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► and why she is ashamed for being afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► and just what this is done to the gaming community to total huge you know opposite ends of the spectrum talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► gamer get I think if you read both of those things you have a good idea what this is like you know what the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► and by the way she posted this thing in less than an hour later the gamer gators attempted to docs are according to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► but people are tweeting these days you know par for the course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► Anyway I'll put those two links and if you're sick of reading about this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► but you haven't read anything to us talk about this read these two things. Will sort of get you up to speed I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► Anyway it continues to grind on that people continue to do bad things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► The rest of us continue to suffer under it there's all sorts of side shows associated with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► I really wish you would just go away. I have again urge everybody who is in any way associated with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► Start something new that one that that one is poisoned by bad people who know no decent person agrees with to stop you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► that's the thing is I just can't wrap my mind around being upset about whether or not there are women in video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► or Let's even assume being upset about supposedly impropriety in journalism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► How is how does that lead to forcing Briana ruin her husband out of her own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► Like how is that a reasonable course of action. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► and maybe I don't I don't I don't care that's just an excuse it's just an excuse to lash out at things you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► doesn't matter what it is and I'm not going to use any analogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► but there are plenty of them like you hate something something happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► when you use an excuse to lash out of the thing you hate like no matter what happens it's an excuse to attack women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► If women are tangentially involved in any way it's an excuse I mean the Felicia Day thing is like she wrote this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► heartfelt thing that is not really an attack on much of anything and really gets attacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► and various men have written things and not gotten attacked in the same way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► Various men have written things very recently that are much worse today get attacked now they don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► Why because these people have you know they have they they hate women like they can massage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► and it's like that's that's their thing and no matter what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► and it's an excuse to say woman get in your place no matter what happens it doesn't matter what it is like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► gave my game a bad review or I don't like what you said. It's like and therefore that means he's attacked a woman. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► Everything is an excuse and one that is looking for right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► And again this doesn't if you hear me saying this this doesn't apply to you because everyone says like you say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► gamers hate women nope nope not you I'm telling you the gamers who do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Women don't associate with game again because it's poisoned like go someplace different to do what you want to do which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► should be fine you shouldn't care about this particular cause this particular decentralize thing this particular hash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► tag you know if you care about corruption in the gaming press which is a thing and then a thing for years and years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► Fight that but has nothing to do a gamer get anymore and never really did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► But John gamer gate is not about hating women it's about journalistic integrity. Right and that B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► Is now finally filtering through to everybody now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► Essentially everybody even reporters who had no idea what it was in come in and like I tried to report on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► but everyone keeps telling me it's not about hatred of women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► and every time I look at the game again that's all I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► and I say all those aren't the real ones like the No True Scotsman thing which they talk about in this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► You know every time something bad happens some of that oh that's not real game again it's about it's a decentralized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► thing with no actual leadership with no actual platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► and anything bad that happens is well that's not really what we're about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► That's not how it works you know you pick you know political knowledge of the Democratic Party the Republican Party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► they have platforms they have leaders you can you know be expelled from them you're not allowed to say that you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► member you know I'm a representative of the Democratic Party. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► I am I am their duly pointed representative and I will tell you what their position is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► and then you say a bunch of hateful stock you will no longer have the doing of hundred rep the Democratic Party they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► have an actual platform they have actually to ship they have things like if they use we want here's what we stand for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► various games get completely decentralise terrible things happen and I was like last night were really about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► Well that's all you got to do and if you go into the game or get boards all about attacking women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► and saying terrible things over there Bob that's not really what it's about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► Well that's it doesn't matter what you say it's about only matters what you do and with no leadership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► and no platform and no formal organizing body there's no way for you to say these people are not part of the area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► If they use the tag and they do bad things they're part of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► You can't kick them out because there is no centralization or you can kick them out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► Everything they do just becomes what Gary it is about right and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► and you know there's a difference between what you one person might want it to be about or might believe it's about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6113">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Out versus what it actually is about and what it actually is about is widespread abuse. Like that's all it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► It's widespread abuse of women like Briana said it's like I don't care about what your theory is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► or whatever the outcomes and this is the outcome the outcome is so plain as day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► and you know it's just ridiculous with the worst part of the recent phenomenon has been sort of right wing political I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► don't know what you call the people over there get delist right wing political celebrities latching onto it as a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► further their agendas because they don't know or care anything again so they see this thing is going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► and they're like oh well you know we can use an angry mob to our advantage to further our agendas which had nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► do with video games and certainly nothing to do with ethics and video games present. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► It's all ridiculous side show that the worst thing about it is like it shows that sort of the immune system of decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► people and sort of like our way of handling like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► This movement should not be giving us the trouble that it is right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► Like where the gamer get is well organized sort of about stuff in campaigns to tell a sponsor not to support someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► inside said something negative about game again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► and sponsors will be like oh we're getting all these e-mails who better stop doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► and in the bailout because they don't know a game or get As and I think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► and then we're like after the fact saying no what are you doing it like you've been you've been fooled by a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► Yes they did send you a lot of angry letters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► but they don't represent anybody suffer terrible people like don't make financial decisions based on you know a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► driven letter writing campaign people running stats on like the tweets that are going up about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► Like they said I forget what the percentage is over some huge percentage of tweets of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► or get hashtags were made by only one hundred Twitter accounts most of which were created in the last two months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► It's entirely a sock puppet type you know like they are able to further their nefarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► and through means that are you know completely transparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► and yet are able to fool large corporations into believing that they represent an important constituency. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► And then all of us are out here like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► I believe this is even happening like we haven't we don't have a good way to deal with organized extremely negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► and hopefully this whole terrible experience will sort of teach the civilized world essentially how to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► situations like this better like make us all more savvy give us better tools give us better organizing sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► antibodies against this kind of disease. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► I don't know I mean maybe it'll take two or three more runs at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► but you know it's terrible I wish it would get better but who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► I disagree with one small thing that you said you said the game again doesn't have a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► and I don't think that's true their platform is hate. They just hate things they hate women they hate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► Suppose a journalist they hate things. Oh no it's just women men journalists and be doing OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► Fair point that you say when and that's that's the platform right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► I just I don't understand how any sane and intelligent human being can not see through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6294">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► and see that this is wrong like these people who are who are Doc seeing these women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► and making these threats against these women like I just it does not compute how that is acceptable behavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► How was that OK what if these women really done to affect your world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► and even if they have how is that an OK reaction like that just I don't understand how any of this makes sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► Lack of empathy ends justify the means all sorts of things that like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► and really as I said in the original show about this that these people you know don't understand what they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► and so many people are insulted by that because they always think I'm talking about them you know what you're angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► about the not talking about you don't know anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► but like these are people who are in pain people who act this way are not like happy well adjusted people with awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► family lives and they have a filling jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► and you know I mean that's they're in pain currently they're in pain from the past or whatever and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6354">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► Why am I in pain what's wrong with my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► and you know they're placing a lot of the blame on that on perceived enemies whatever they may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► and in this case it's women and progressives and whatever it is they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► but like the people who do this like you like I can understand if you like how how can people believe that they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► and sometimes they don't sometimes they don't believe they're the bad guys in their own stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► but sometimes they do believe they do believe in their heart of hearts of the bad guys in their own stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► and they're doing it because they're in pain for unrelated reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► and they feel like they they deserve to be the bad guy or they should be like it's not you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► I have I have empathy for the people who are on that side of the fence because really like in my experience people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► do terrible things unless they're actually clinically insane which most people are not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► It's because they're in pain right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► It doesn't make it any better and we need to find ways to deal with this and help ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► and secondarily help them you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► But it's you can't is easy to demonize people who do terrible things but really like if you think about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► when you're trying to get into their head space imagine your life was not like it was imagine life was just terrible in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► all possible ways and you had an amazingly bad childhood or you're super angry about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► or you have you know some kind of undiagnosed you know unmedicated emotional imbalance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► and you have not been able to deal with like all of that dissatisfaction natured anger has to go somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► and the blending in weird places sometimes turns into word on themselves sometimes outward sometimes both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► So I think I've been really understand what it is that's making this happen it's just that like as a society one job is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► figuring out why that's happening in like you know we should prevent these outcomes of making people have better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► happier lives and not end up in these terrible situations and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► but the other aspect is how do we protect our selves as a society against internal to do essentially say you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► you'll find out when your child arrives you know this is not OK This is not OK behavior too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6474">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► You know enforce limits on you know it's so difficult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► Line one is OK behavior online in real life this is not OK we don't accept this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► and that's the worst thing is like part of the whole you know what's happening in games these days that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► progress games are making in doing and saying more interesting things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► If the people who are on that side of the fence doing bad things to the women had grown up in a world that sort of post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► you know like a feminist revolution of gaming you know like if if these people had grown up in a world where women were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► not as objectified as they are in popular culture now there would be less likely to direct all of their hatred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► You know I mean like if they could see women as human beings instead of people they would actually be happier people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► like they're fighting against something that could have saved them from doing the things that they are today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► You know I mean like is all this contributes to like why am I miserable and where do I direct that energy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► The studio we're up in the same thing that's making me say unintentionally you know racist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► or sexist things because that's just how I grew up that that influences all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► and like to be people working for change in the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► and everyone else are trying to make a world where people are less steeped in these bad things growing up to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► and they come to adulthood hopefully they won't hold on to these you know antiquated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► and harmful notions about other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► You know I just it seems like the same kind of playbook that all oppressed groups have gone through you know I'm coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► from very much a position of luxury because I don't really know what that's like I mean my my dad's family is Jewish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► but I never really practiced growing up so I've never personally been exposed to any sort of anti-Semitic behavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► But it seems like from outsiders from a luxury point of view it seems like the same playbook that you know let's hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► Jews in oh let's hate black people and it's and now it's oh it's hate women and when does that ever work out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► When does that ever. End up OK it's working out well for hating women because that is evergreen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► Women have been subjugated for millennia and it will continue to be the case like that you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► Progress has been made and all these fronts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► But like they seem to go in cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► and women is the one the most people I have to make that I did not think about as much it was and I'm growing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► and again the system of education and environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► and who you are I'm growing up you know like you Casey you just the white male you know the same as all of my peers not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► You learn about in school you learn about Martin Luther King you know you learn about slavery you learn about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► Native Americans you were also just things and you do women's suffrage in voting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► and you're like oh that's a silly one point women couldn't vote that's obviously ridiculous they can vote as well again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► but you don't go that far like in my education at least we talked about the basic human rights of like moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► or the lawn and own land and vote and stuff like that and we talked about slavery and civil rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► and stuff like that and then it's like and we come to the present day and everybody's equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► and we least in my education in my pre-college education there was a lot of time spent on talking about feminism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► or whatever this is sort of like the natural undertones of everything of everything you live in you like is to accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► it like you could say I am you know I understand the racism is terrible and still exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► but women you know white women are treated perfectly fairly on our right and women must not be issued. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► She was like you know minorities and that's where all the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► but you know well women are everything's fine there it's like not like it's just this becomes the baseline that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► don't even notice that this it doesn't seem like that's the whole thing with the game or gay people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► Doesn't even seem like women are oppressed was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► when you talk with us just the way things are that's not oppression. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► Everyone's in their designated role the woman stays home and cooks the man goes to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► and like it that's just the natural order of things that's not oppression what are you talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► and it just it seems so far as like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► Slavery That's oppression obviously right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► but you know it's I have to admit it took me a lot of much longer time to have a clear view on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► and pervasive sexism in the world then than it did for any of these other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► and as I said the last time we talked about this like if you just expose yourself to these things don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► necessarily engage with them don't argue with them like just expose yourself to women's explaining what it's like to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► a woman a woman in the world and don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► and just just take it in like just accept it listen to it don't take offense at it because you're not the one doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► You know maybe think about things you might have been the other people there like this maybe you can decide whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► but if you listen enough the preponderance of stories about this happening will slowly make the gears start turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► your head and realize the ridiculous inequalities that existed that you didn't see before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► and I don't have any hope of that happening for people who are involved in game or get maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► when they're older they're young. I came in again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► It took me until my thirty's just to start to even think about these things in a serious way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► And if you're an eighteen year old in a chat room trying to figure out how you're going to send anonymous death threats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► to women you go a long road ahead of you certainly do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► I just it just it's so terrible and I don't know I just it's not fair. It just plain isn't fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► I think you know John you said something earlier much earlier now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► but he says the earlier that you know we as you know as as technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► or as as a society with the modern era net we don't really have good ways to deal with you know very strong anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► negative feedback among the many other things that we need to work on and as a society that are more long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► and difficult to attack this might be something we can do sooner or early start thinking about you know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6832">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► Designing our systems in designing social networks in designing technology and in designing the tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► and the media that we as in a modern technically connected people use we need to consider like you know what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► You know how much how much damage how much abuse can a very small group of determined vigils dish out with this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► And is there a way that we can design it in such a way that both they can abuse fewer people or in fewer ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► and that somehow we can reduce their incentives to abuse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► So and this is you know in many ways like when I've designed similar systems for Tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► or for Instapaper for overcast I've always been concerned about spam. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► And so like one of the one of the day things like an overcast you can recommend to your Twitter followers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► There is nowhere in the entire app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► and there probably never will be anywhere in the entire app where you can see a most recommended global list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6895">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► And the reason for this is very deliberate it's because I didn't want anybody to to be able to spam to create a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► bunch of accounts to all recommend certain things to boost them to the top of that list like the old big front page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► problem. I didn't want to have to deal with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► And you know same thing with Instapaper there was never like it shaver had its recommended global stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► So there you know there's never like I intentionally try to avoid creating things that can be reasonably spammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► or I voiced spam by by avoiding creating incentives to spam like there's no reason to spam with a bunch overcast a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► counter-argument episode because only people who follow you want to see them and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► and it's attached to your name like that was going to solve itself right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► In designing systems you know now in the future I think we should in addition to considering things like spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► incentives we need to consider abuse incentives and you know how much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6956">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► Tension can can one person get with relatively little validation from others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► and honest comments be heard you know like right now on Twitter anybody can reply anybody else and they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► and it will show up in their replies timeline and Twitter obviously Twitter is a lot of people are pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► and have been pointing out why Twitter's policies on on dealing with abuse complaints. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► I don't know the details of them but they sound pretty terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► I don't you know that might not be solvable I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► It sounds like it's it's always a problem like saying oh well Twitter should you know spend his accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► and then it becomes a question of well you know what if somebody files a false report against you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► and so it's these are all tough problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► but I don't think they can magically solve the problem like that like I don't like they can do a lot with just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► looking more at like the problems of reporting on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► and mostly has to do with how how Twitter approaches the probs like if they approach their form for reporting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7013">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► more like a sort of a crisis center would approach supporting someone who is having some kind of crisis like domestic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► or something like that like has a different approach like you assumes the person is in crisis you don't you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► you can't demand of the person like the one of the big things like Andrew all your information is form including your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► real complete first and last name and by the way we make sense information of the person you're reporting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► Like I know what they're kind of getting at in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:27 ◼ ► But the way it's worded doesn't isn't made for a mindset for a person who's coming in like in crisis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7047">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► or sorry we rejected your report because you're not the person who is you know who is being attacked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► Like if you send someone a link to to bees or tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► but if you're not the target of it like they just reject it out of hand like it's just not it's just not designed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► way it should be for something that people go to when they're in crisis or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► when someone they care about is in crisis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► It should be totally designed to put their personalities to begin strong guarantees that the things they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► reasonably fear for example that you reporting someone the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7076">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► A new report would know who you are and would have more information about you because you reported it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► Like you can't have a form that even hinted that well look for a solution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► Obviously never actually do that and I don't think they would actually do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► but the form makes it seem like they would and so if you're in a crisis situation you land on that form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► You hate Twitter was like What the hell I have a problem here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► or if they bounce back your thing with automatic responses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► Sorry your report cannot be a process because you're not the target of the abuse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► Yeah that's pretty bad again someone just posted it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► Someone just posted a death threat with someone's full name and address on it and I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:31 ◼ ► and you get a robo response like there are tons of things where you can do the niggaz better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7111">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► but you're right that at the root of it it's like anonymity is important for large classes of people on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► and you can't just say oh every can't be anonymous you need to use your you know full name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► and Social Security number and everything to have a strong correlated Id like anonymity needs to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► but once you have an immunity and people keep making new accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► and like it's not one hundred percent solvable that Twitter could be doing a whole lot better job right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► but I think though ultimately this is a design flaw of Twitter and systems like it like this in the way like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► when when I have a whole wire creditor I quoted Howard Stern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► and a blog post saying Oh Howard Stern he used Twitter here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► but he said on this show few months ago he was he was you know because he always complains about how everyone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► Twitter is basically a huge you know bad person to everyone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► And and he said you know why do we give these people so much access to us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► Like why why do you let any random person yell at you ten seconds after you post and why do you go and read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► and why Can anybody in the world have to have your attention so easily that I think the question of the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► and systems like Twitter allow other people to have to us that is something that I think we've assumed in designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► social and Internet communication systems for the last you know decade or so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► We've we've all assumed that had to be this way that of course it's the power of the Internet anybody can talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► But maybe that's a bad assumption maybe that is a fundamental design flaw and may be you know future social networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► and future future directions of current social networks maybe maybe future networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► and Future Communications is it that need to be more limited maybe I shouldn't be able to reply Howard Stern whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► Don't you think that's part of the beauty of Twitter like well it's good that is that advantage like you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► that's what we want to try to be like that direct connection to people well it was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► and had a connection like part of the reason that works at all in Twitter is because people are constrained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► They can't send five hundred paragraph screeds to Howard Stern they just have to send one liner insults like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► when it's not you know because the block function does exist like a system like that without a block function at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► would be terrible the block function is not perfect but does exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► but the problem of the block functions is totally defeated by the ability just keep creating new accounts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► Right so if you are super famous and you get that abuse you like I will not probably manage that with blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► or actually you block all the most horrible people in your fine no you never find they just keep creating new account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► and that that is like the anonymity you couldn't you create a new account of if an account was strongly tied to your ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► but anonymity I think is an important feature of Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► and other Internet services that you can't say like Google tried to do. Oh no anonymity real names only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► Like that's that's not a tenable solution either so it is a very difficult problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► when I was talking of the tools we need to deal with this I was talking more at the macro level than the micro the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► micro level you can just get off Twitter like either permanently or for a certain period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► but at the macro level it's like when sponsors are pulling ads from Web sites financially impacting that entire site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► and the jobs of various people because of a coordinated fake letter writing campaign of people like pretending to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:52 ◼ ► Issue and in reality this trying to ruin the lives of women and journalists who happen to write for the site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7312">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► When that happens it shows that our are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7317">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► Corporations in organizations are not Internet savvy enough to know where essentially being trolled into stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:04 ◼ ► behavior that has real consequences for real people here are politicians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► but our own people we assume like you know this like Intel and Adobe recent comers again colon and O.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► Would be a little more tech savvy than politicians let's say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► and then finally like obviously anonymous death threats simply untraceable with no you know I mean that it goes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► the anonymity you don't want you want and in a mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► when you're trying to talk about how your husband is abusing your in you're afraid for your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► but you would like the person who threatened your life to not have anonymity so we kind of can't have it both ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► there I don't know what the solution is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► but you know I guess a step would be law enforcement taking these reports seriously being able to do anything at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► point. I get all these things get reported to authorities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► It's like it's like reporting a stolen bicycle to the police. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► Basically I think stolen bicycle probably has higher priorities of place than on a messenger death threats thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► bicycle. You're disappointed about it and might have been expensive but it's not a big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7374">TS</a>]
02:02:59 ◼ ► But seriously considered death threats associated plus your real address being sent out to people like you don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7379">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► care if the person who sent that death threat meant that well you care that other people who might be seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► unbalanced now have your address and now hate you because they've been riled up by this group or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:15 ◼ ► and yet what the heck can the police do. They're not tech savvy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7395">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► They can't get IP addresses for these people if they could could they track it down to you know it says I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► what the solution to that is but I can tell you that I would imagine law enforcement maybe would put on a good face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► but what the hell are they going to do it's just they're not going to give you a personal bodyguard for the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► and if you if you're rich you can have your if you can afford to have a personal bodyguard you're not a celebrity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► an entourage and a compound in a fortress your person living in a house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► and are in a partner now you're scared for your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► and the police tell you realistically is nothing they can do about it so I don't know what we can do about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► but we're not doing a good job right now and this is a a new kind of threat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► You know I mean it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7434">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► and people you know shrug it off as many people pointed out like that that craziness I just got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7435">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► When shot at that school where was that I forget where that was I don't know if it was a while ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► but anyway this guy had had a series of you know anti woman screeds that is written on the Internet You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► and then he went just shot a bunch of women and self right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► It's not as if we're saying all this is never going to happen like it has happened in the past this is a plausible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► threat that some crazy person who hates women and put all his hatred for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:22 ◼ ► and all his pain in life into that can get a gun and go shoot people up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7462">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► when you make a threat like that it's like ha ha funny troll that would never happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:29 ◼ ► It has already happened it's so plausible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7469">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► and yet we have no tools to deal with it all we can do is like well we'll have to wait till someone shows up with a gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► and maybe we can do something about it like to it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► And one that's that's why I think like you know you're right that there's always going to be like this like a baseline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► number of disturbed people in the world that you know we just can't do anything about that like we have like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► and we can you know we can attempt to do our best to produce fewer crazy disturbed people in the world that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7494">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► we can really do and we can try to find them and treat them or imprison them or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► but that's a that's a really hard problem to ever read a case like we're going to eradicate all bad people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► and well that's you know that's not real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► but I do think there is there's a lot to be said for removing the incentives here so you know right now if if Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► removes the ability for crazy people to coordinate their efforts and stalk people and creep people out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► and docks them in everything those people have different places they can go they can all go to private message boards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► they can go to I mean that's that's where they are they're coordinating on this private message board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:37 ◼ ► and I think the rest think they're not the message boards on in private they're still one of the brightest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7537">TS</a>]
02:05:42 ◼ ► but like public message boards where they're talking about how they're going to do these things that if they had real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7542">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► and addresses of these posts you can arrest them all now for the things they're all doing talk about are already illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► just that well you have no idea where they are and it's like you know that's that's never going to be solved like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7554">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► Like that problem the way the way the Internet works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► Like that's anonymous coordination of things is always going to be possible it's always going to be interesting to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► getting easier as tools get better you know that we're never going to solve that problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► or what we can what we can help we can reduce is the access people have to anybody they want any time they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► and that's what I'm saying like I think we need to really rethink the social systems we've built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► and say like is this really a good idea to allow this kind of totally like open you know in a way you know democratic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► but what would your solution be like you make it like Live Journal we only have to invite people to see your trip you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:39 ◼ ► can already protect your Twitter feed but that's just not how it works like the openness of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7599">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► Anybody can follow you and that anybody can contribute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:47 ◼ ► when people are all nice to each other that is the beauty of Twitter that's the beauty of you know life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7607">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► and relationships with people so I don't see how you can fix that without you know sort of going insular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:57 ◼ ► and making everybody sort of in their own little cocoons like that would take away what's good about Twitter like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7617">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► when I think about how to try to try to fix this I think for the people who are doing all these bad things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:12 ◼ ► The people of those those people in that group who live in the first world who otherwise have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7632">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► or less comfortable lives and you know you don't know where the country's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:21 ◼ ► and they could have you they could be in war torn countries that we're currently bombing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7641">TS</a>]
02:07:25 ◼ ► and the whole family is dead and they're starving to death and they're on the Internet cafe somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7645">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► and over like so many more problems are going to if your baseline comfort is taken care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► and you sort of like have food you have shelter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:37 ◼ ► but you're still super angry at the world which is probably a large portion of this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7657">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► It's like if we could have helped those people have their lives turn out differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:47 ◼ ► and have the things that influence them be different they would not be doing this now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7667">TS</a>]
02:07:51 ◼ ► Like the long term plan of like we have to change society so that people are not ready is in an environment where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7671">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► see women as less than human and. I wrecked all their anger at them when things don't go the way they want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7677">TS</a>]
02:08:04 ◼ ► Like that's the long term solutions like how to do I think I have a more pessimistic view of like the Twitter type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7684">TS</a>]
02:08:11 ◼ ► You can't like you said you can't stop them from making an honest Apple you're never going to you can't get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7691">TS</a>]
02:08:17 ◼ ► I don't think the solution is to not give people public assets to like to retreat to your compound to keep yourself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7697">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► or you we just need to we need to make a a society in a world that produces fewer of these people who are for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:33 ◼ ► angry about these things you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7713">TS</a>]
02:08:35 ◼ ► Yeah and I think Marco your point about when you're designing overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7715">TS</a>]
02:08:42 ◼ ► when you're designing all the other things you've designed in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7722">TS</a>]
02:08:46 ◼ ► and not encouraging that kind of nefarious behavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7726">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► A lot of times I ask myself or sometimes others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:53 ◼ ► and I think a lot of good intentioned individuals ask you know what can I really do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7733">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► Well something that may seem a silly but really obviously isn't silly is you doing the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:04 ◼ ► and trying your best to not encourage nefarious behavior and overcast. That's something that can be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7744">TS</a>]
02:09:11 ◼ ► That's what you would the royal you can do is make those decisions and make them intelligently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7751">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► and try to do the right thing even if it's a harder thing to do the right thing to prevent this kind of B.S. Behavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► You know I mean I don't well I don't know what else to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:27 ◼ ► You know I think I really do think that there is a lot that we can still is a lot of low hanging fruit with the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7767">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► of the systems that we can do to to improve conditions and yet we're not going to reduce problems totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:39 ◼ ► but we can we can certainly start to address them and start to reduce their impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7779">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► and start to reduce the incidents the incentive to be problematic on these systems like if Twitter just had some simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► filters you could set like I am I would love like I would love for you know because I you know whenever I say anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:55 ◼ ► remotely controversial I like which tech center I prefer which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7795">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► More dangerous to discuss than the Palestinian situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:03 ◼ ► Whenever I say anything about text editors I would prefer to have some kind of setting on Twitter where I could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7803">TS</a>]
02:10:11 ◼ ► Don't even show my timeline any responses from people who may be I don't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7811">TS</a>]
02:10:17 ◼ ► or are not like within two degrees of following or something like that like because sometimes gets really outta hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7817">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► and I can handle it and I can even imagine like if you have if you have a bigger audience or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► and especially like if you're a woman with a big audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:30 ◼ ► and you say anything remotely controversial like I can even imagine what like there are there are many people not least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7830">TS</a>]
02:10:38 ◼ ► of which liberties but there are many people out there who would leave a control like that on all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7838">TS</a>]
02:10:44 ◼ ► Yeah I think that's actually an actionable thing that we talk about how you can have a protected account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7844">TS</a>]
02:10:48 ◼ ► or is open to the public and I think that the openness is a strength of Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7848">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► but if there was a range between there where that you could say like Margaret said where this is kind of techie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7852">TS</a>]
02:10:59 ◼ ► but like set up a rules that say don't show me replies from someone who doesn't follow me Westy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7859">TS</a>]
02:11:05 ◼ ► or than fifty followers his account was created in the last month like BASIC like Sock Puppet Sock Puppet detection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7865">TS</a>]
02:11:11 ◼ ► or or a Degrees of Separation limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7871">TS</a>]
02:11:14 ◼ ► or temporary degrees of separation that is you know you just said something controversial like those are controlled you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7874">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► can give individuals that is not turning Twitter into like a live journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:23 ◼ ► or like some private type thing Twitter is still open but give people control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7883">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► and like some of these people have been doing outside the system of like in their community block lists where they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:32 ◼ ► sort of pull together their blocks because everyone is blocking the same server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7892">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► and then another sockpuppet made us recycle the account and everything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► but just to have a communal blacklist that can be shared among people so that if you know of a decent people all band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► together chances are good that one of the decent people on the site was already blocked a stroll so you'll never see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:51 ◼ ► his tweeting you didn't have to see it in blogger like why are we all individually blocking the same stupid account as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7911">TS</a>]
02:11:55 ◼ ► they wander through saying terrible things to be able to write. If one person to block it we could all benefit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7915">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► Now there are downside to communal blog post as well but this is a type of feature this Twitter supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:04 ◼ ► and for was more serious about those type of controls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7924">TS</a>]
02:12:08 ◼ ► You could make a communal block list there could be a master block list of sock puppets they could like it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7928">TS</a>]
02:12:13 ◼ ► big thing it becomes a minister has to be part of Twitter stuff anyway like dealing with abuse in the system becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7933">TS</a>]
02:12:18 ◼ ► major part of why anyone who runs any big community site knows suddenly you find out your real job is just spending all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7938">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► your time moderating and dealing with trolls and dealing with sock puppets and dealing with hacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:27 ◼ ► and stuff like that and that's probably not avoidable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7947">TS</a>]
02:12:30 ◼ ► but you know the low hanging fruit where you could start by making their reporting system for abuse be a lot friendlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7950">TS</a>]
02:12:38 ◼ ► to the people who are reporting a lot clearer a lot nicer framed in terms of someone who is in crisis not in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:43 ◼ ► here's a dry clinical form that protects us as a corporation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7963">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► and doesn't really make any acknowledgement of what you might be going through return phone from a Holgate in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:53 ◼ ► room. Apparently Twitter verified accounts which just make me angry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7973">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► Twitter verified accounts already have features I've been talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:02 ◼ ► Yeah I know that I mentioned talk about on Twitter people why isn't verified something anybody can get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7982">TS</a>]
02:13:08 ◼ ► If anybody I like if you liked pay for like whatever it cost Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7988">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► and terms like they do you make a profit on whatever it costs them in terms of manpower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:17 ◼ ► and time like if there is some you know it's not an automatic system like someone has to verify your ID you plan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/7997">TS</a>]
02:13:21 ◼ ► make a phone call that you had sent some of the facts because one hundred ninety one again like whatever you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8001">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► these people do get verified checkmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► but it's not on demand so a lot of these people who are getting all this abuse the trolls make fake accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:35 ◼ ► and then the people the angry people get really angry all over again because they believe a fake tweet really can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8015">TS</a>]
02:13:41 ◼ ► They kick out with their mate or say something terrible and she got attacked in fifty different directions. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8021">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► Why does she not have a verified checkmark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:48 ◼ ► Because she's not important because she can't control it she should be able to call her on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8028">TS</a>]
02:13:51 ◼ ► and say here's one hundred bucks verify my Democrat I'll send you like ids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8031">TS</a>]
02:13:55 ◼ ► and stuff like that that is an example of another piece of low hanging fruit. Anybody should be able to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8035">TS</a>]
02:14:00 ◼ ► If they are willing to pay to take the time and money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8040">TS</a>]
02:14:02 ◼ ► I mean if you want to because you're like oh that that cuts out people four hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8042">TS</a>]
02:14:05 ◼ ► or whatever like there's two ways Twitter can just be more proactive realizing what this person is under onslaught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8045">TS</a>]
02:14:10 ◼ ► given the stupid verified checkmark don't charge them for it but they're not they're dropping the ball on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8050">TS</a>]
02:14:15 ◼ ► and there's no there's no way you can request verification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8055">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► and actually get it because you know you can say I've been impersonated I've been attacked look at all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► that I'm blocking look at my daily activity can I get a verified check mark and you get nothing from Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► So it is insane to those people don't have verified check marks and the reporting system is stupid and broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:32 ◼ ► and this is before we get to the things that you were talking about of like having those type of controls about seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8072">TS</a>]
02:14:36 ◼ ► replies and having sock puppet the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8076">TS</a>]
02:14:38 ◼ ► and all the type of things anybody who is like you know does anything with big data like I feel like it's so easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8078">TS</a>]
02:14:45 ◼ ► humans to detect sock puppets and trolls. I think if you just get a really good job too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8085">TS</a>]
02:14:50 ◼ ► Yeah I want one more item before every phone of this topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8090">TS</a>]
02:14:53 ◼ ► Someone some of the chat room is complaining like you know it isn't OK to dislike any of us our T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8093">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► and Who's in the presence talked about feminism shoes and sexism in games you know. Can I can I dislike or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8098">TS</a>]
02:15:05 ◼ ► Fine right and I was like I just happen to believe that she's a snake oil salesman who is lying to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8105">TS</a>]
02:15:10 ◼ ► and lot of law so I'm putting one more link in the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8110">TS</a>]
02:15:13 ◼ ► Here it is this is not a conspiracy theory it's ongoing video series that I think is only about two parts so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8113">TS</a>]
02:15:22 ◼ ► and I was the guy guided everything's Remax Kirby FERGUSON Yeah so I think this is like a funding thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8122">TS</a>]
02:15:29 ◼ ► I paid for it where we had to pay were needed to kick start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8129">TS</a>]
02:15:31 ◼ ► or whatever so I'm seeing the new things that they release I'm assuming you'll be able to see all of them eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8131">TS</a>]
02:15:36 ◼ ► once this is all over. But anyway consider funding at the really good I think you can see the first part for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8136">TS</a>]
02:15:43 ◼ ► The reason I put this in there is there is a very long long long history of this is something as an engineering major I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8143">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► but like if I can make everyone in the entire world take one sort of major in a college education I would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:56 ◼ ► everybody learn about history because everything you know it's a cliche to say it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8156">TS</a>]
02:16:00 ◼ ► If you know anything about history how can you not see the same things happening as people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8160">TS</a>]
02:16:04 ◼ ► but haven't changed that much invest in thousand years or so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8164">TS</a>]
02:16:08 ◼ ► and illustrious history there readily explainable obvious reasons why people love the people love conspiracy theories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8168">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► people fall into very they believe them with every fiber of their being and it is just part of the human condition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:22 ◼ ► when people are in the midst of a conspiracy theory like that there is a giant cabal of feminists who are controlling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8182">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► the gaming industry and it's our T.V. and Is stealing money from people and getting rich and selling snake oil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:34 ◼ ► These crazy conspiracy theories which everyone else is crazy seem perfectly rational to a lot of people so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8194">TS</a>]
02:16:39 ◼ ► rather than attacking that issue head on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8199">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► If you just learn about the history of conspiracy theories and how they work with the human mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:44 ◼ ► and society you will eventually I have to feel at the end of all that perhaps reexamine what you believe about whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8204">TS</a>]
02:16:53 ◼ ► conspiracy theory you happen to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8213">TS</a>]
02:16:54 ◼ ► and so on it's really entertaining video series even if doesn't change your mind about any of this to watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8214">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► It's sick to me that we start to talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► but I'm glad we have I tried it like I could talk about it every week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:07 ◼ ► and I tweet about it all the time to us just like now we have to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8227">TS</a>]
02:17:14 ◼ ► and talking about it is one of those things I don't know I'm not complaining. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8234">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► The tech show I know people will complain but like we saved it for the after show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► Honestly this could have been a quote official topic we just didn't get to it until we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:27 ◼ ► but I mean it is an important story in our industry like this is not this is just as valid of a topic as what we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9Oy9k/8247">TS</a>]