The Accidental Tech Podcast

89: DeLorean + McLaren

 

  High home shovelled So how's things. Good good. [TS]

  I'm with the show notes I don't know what we're talking about we're talking about your kid around the mills here of [TS]

  have more in a moment. I don't think that's true. [TS]

  Together said Dad Dario a good reference for Casey to get trying to lead him in gently. That is a better future. Boom. [TS]

  So right Sam It seems man down the gentle slope is here right up on it by what I've seen Back to the future a lot [TS]

  and I don't remember that at all as much as Casey. Yeah I am what I think would happen. [TS]

  I am three hundred ninety seven tweets behind and I've declared bankruptcy like four [TS]

  or five times of the last three days. [TS]

  Yeah I think this might be the turning point in your life for a number of things not least of which will be that you [TS]

  may no longer be able to be a Twitter completionist. [TS]

  Well I've already been slowly embracing not being a Twitter completionist but I think that that is long gone now. [TS]

  I know I mentioned do it to kids to say and I'm actually not that sleepy but I don't know what data is. [TS]

  I don't know what time it is. [TS]

  I barely remember who you two are and I don't remember if we talk about Apple [TS]

  or Microsoft on this pod cast so you have that sleepy and I mean our time it is because it's been a blur. [TS]

  It's been I mean and it's a wonderful awesome. I'm so thankful for it. [TS]

  Blurr Butler nevertheless you know only eighteen more years of already started to count that as you know parenthood [TS]

  totally ends when they go to college you definitely worry about them as do their laundry or best case scenario. [TS]

  So yeah yeah right there is a best case scenario is screw you dad I hate you I'm leaving [TS]

  and you can never talk to me again. Now goes off to college on a scholarship family holidays and he goes off to get. [TS]

  And they have kids and get a job and live the American dream of the white picket fence and blah blah blah right. [TS]

  So you say that but consider that because we just had a baby. [TS]

  Aaron's mom is downstairs pinch hitting for me so I can talk to you two knuckleheads. [TS]

  Which by the way in your to your defense neither of you were pressuring me to do this tonight such so make a point. [TS]

  But anyways and then I've seen my parents and her dad probably four times in three days or something like that. [TS]

  So yeah it's we you say that it ends after eighteen years but it doesn't have to train [TS]

  or the other alternative is your son becomes a very important general in the the water wars that happen [TS]

  when he's an adult. Is that your conspiracy theory of choice John. [TS]

  Now does I like the ecological disaster [TS]

  and it'll be like Mad Max But instead of fighting over gasoline it'll be fighting over water because the earth will be [TS]

  destroyed. Cool Well that sounds fun. I'm glad we brought him into the world for that. [TS]

  I wonder if like I'm pretty good now isn't it. I did you miss. [TS]

  Obviously you must have because this is this wonderful conversation this is most important. [TS]

  This is definitely worth you having taken literally only two days and thirty minutes of paternity leave. [TS]

  Well the thing is I don't want this show to turn into a total shock and I know you two [TS]

  and I know you'll turn it into one if you don't have me guiding you along I mean you'll get through one item a follow [TS]

  up and that's just no fun. Oh yeah I mean that the question came up on some podcast I did Forever Ago I don't know. [TS]

  Somebody asked like you know if if this would be for the show just and when I went John [TS]

  and I were both on fire by five of their own shows. [TS]

  Someone once suggested somewhere publicly you know should be you know should me and John team up [TS]

  and then do a show together [TS]

  and I believe my response at the time was it would never work we would need some kind of third person to like help [TS]

  guide us along because the two of us would just talk forever and it would never end it would be very very boring. [TS]

  So here you are indeed Hi everybody. [TS]

  Actually I have that clip easily available because I heard it somebody called my attention for ever ago. [TS]

  Yeah and I saved it because I thought it was extremely pression tough it was billed and analyzed over twenty five. [TS]

  I think if you had both me [TS]

  and John Syracuse on the same show if you weren't there at all it would be terrible to be both his ramble on forever [TS]

  because we're definitely the commentator type. [TS]

  And there'd be nobody drive us like like you drive us really well and know there will be somebody there to do that [TS]

  and if you were there [TS]

  and they were both of us there I think we both have so much to say that I think it wouldn't work like they would just [TS]

  be no room for the host because they get to be talking so much about so much stuff [TS]

  and not willing to like yield the floor. [TS]

  Ever that the host wouldn't have any time to to get a word in and therefore be almost absent [TS]

  when I can even listen others anymore. What bill now is. [TS]

  Yeah like I'm I'm very critical of my own past work though analyze it the first time I ever did any kind of pod casting. [TS]

  Like I didn't have a show before that anywhere so I mean as as much as I am aware of my own flaws today especially [TS]

  since I edit the show I read here my own flaws over and over again. [TS]

  The old ones are even worse in every possible way like because I was so mad I was so new at it. [TS]

  A lot of my personal flaws were were more honorable or more frequent than they are now and I and I know that [TS]

  and most listeners probably don't notice and don't care but I notice [TS]

  and it's it makes it very hard for me to listen to it. Plus I was just an idiot. What I mean was very exacting. [TS]

  Sure no one of us explain like what the what's going on K.C. For the people who don't follow us on Twitter. [TS]

  John you're in charge of explaining things no cases and trying to explain. Didn't lose a job right. [TS]

  His job is still the funny things guy. They explaining Ratso. [TS]

  So Erin and I have finally or really Aaron has delivered our little baby boy. [TS]

  We had referred to him as sprout during his during her pregnancy because we didn't have a name even after his born we [TS]

  didn't have a name when we had narrowed it down to a couple. [TS]

  And and we weren't really sure which one we were going to use. [TS]

  And so he was due on the sixth of November we're recording this on hollowing because we're nerds [TS]

  and don't go out to parties I guess. [TS]

  We had him [TS]

  or she had him Wednesday morning at five thirty in the morning he was eighty pounds six ounces twenty inches long. [TS]

  Every nurse that came to visit us said oh he's a big boy who dared feel thinking yourself. Oh so what does that mean. [TS]

  But in any case his name is Declan James Lewis. [TS]

  We are extraordinarily overjoyed to have him [TS]

  and I I cannot even begin to put into words how unbelievable it is to see this little thing that we created especially [TS]

  after it took us so darn long to get him here. And we'll put a link in the show notes about that to explain. [TS]

  But suffice to say it took us about three years to conceive. [TS]

  And so to actually have Declan in your hands it's just the most amazing thing in the world he he finally he finally [TS]

  came out and I pretty much went fetal not literally but pretty close. [TS]

  And so the two of us were bawling it was I'm sure this is the same for everyone but. [TS]

  But yeah it was it was we were rock we were an absolute wreck but he is healthy she is healthy we're all adjusting. [TS]

  We got home from the hospital earlier today. [TS]

  And so because I'm a masochist I wanted to record [TS]

  and get this out of the way so I'm not stressing about how I'm holding up the works. [TS]

  And we actually slept OK the last couple days we had the. [TS]

  Spittle nursery take him during the night [TS]

  and then bring him in whenever he wanted food so we didn't have them give him a formula [TS]

  or anything because we're trying to breast feed [TS]

  and so we slept on reasonably well ask me tomorrow morning how that works out now that word. [TS]

  But life is excellent life is super good I'm super super thankful super appreciative. I don't know what to do. [TS]

  FREAKING OUT and IN AND mean that the best possible way. [TS]

  Oh so this is your first you haven't even had your first night home yet correct. Oh tonight the for oh boy. [TS]

  Well congratulations first of all before you before you encounter tonight let's keep this happy so the congratulations [TS]

  really meant we couldn't be happy for you I mean happy for him even John like you know the listeners might not know how [TS]

  much John loves kids this is true this is not a lie and like you know [TS]

  when John is is presented with a child he basically gets like giddy and is extremely awesome with the kid [TS]

  and loves the kid and I was not over so I there are no that's true that's absolutely true. [TS]

  I like cute kids and kids that are nice and light. [TS]

  I'm not one of those people who just loves kids all the time [TS]

  but once you have your own kids the fear of children goes away so you don't feel like you're going to like break them [TS]

  or whatever and then you know just [TS]

  when you see anybody else's kid especially a kid to have someone of your familiar with there you feel like you ought to [TS]

  be able to play with them just like they're your kid [TS]

  but you can't because so that's why every time I feel Adam which is Marcos and I want to pick him up and I do [TS]

  and he cries and just terrible but it is still in all fairness he cries and ever anybody picks him up including us. [TS]

  Yeah it's not it is not a picking up a bad job I do not talking all the time like you just want to pick him up [TS]

  and play with them and especially [TS]

  when they're little like as now my kids are getting so big that it's hard to carry them around even though I still do [TS]

  you know a little the little pint sized kids like there are two or three you just want to scoop them up. [TS]

  Yeah I did seriously imagine like an eighty year old grandma and her reaction. [TS]

  Into a little baby and that's John's [TS]

  and I mean a complimentary in a complimentary way I don't mean that nasty way at all he does. [TS]

  John is an eighty year old grandmother noted so his eyes just get all super bright and shiny [TS]

  and it's not working out yet I can verify that is not an exaggeration John will deny this [TS]

  but that that actually is how excited he is. That's a reaction to dogs to be fair. [TS]

  Man So yes oh I don't know what we're talking about tonight. [TS]

  Probably going to start snoring even though I just told you I'm not tired. Just in general but have fun tomorrow. [TS]

  Adrenaline will carry him for a couple more days. [TS]

  Yeah no I mean for us at least like the first night was a transition because you know it's the first time where there [TS]

  is no one else to take the baby to let you sleep cases jobs take the baby. [TS]

  Well the case you can't feed the baby and I don't know that's why his job to take the baby so you can sleep well OK [TS]

  but it's been a while babies waking up but I don't exactly. [TS]

  So yeah I mean it is point you know that this is like you know case he just needs to try to be as useful [TS]

  and supportive as possible [TS]

  but he's at this point you're relegated to a few not very useful tasks because like you just you can't like most of the [TS]

  time that they do except it's going to be defeated. [TS]

  There's not much you can do yet to help out you know except just be supportive not your head of the game if the babies [TS]

  are waking up because that means the baby slept at some point. [TS]

  That's right you know it's funny I feel like Declan's putting us [TS]

  or setting us up for the well relatively long troll actually given that he's two days old it's an extremely long troll [TS]

  because we're talking about eighty percent of his life but anyway he's actually been very sleepy for the most part [TS]

  and so getting used to a baby that actually sleeps quite a bit [TS]

  and we almost have to wake him up to feed him a lot of the time [TS]

  and I bet you anything that that's just like the oh new and you worked so hard for me [TS]

  and I'm going to make you think I'm nice and then in the next. They are too. [TS]

  Perhaps tonight I'm in after all and I'm waking up all the time. [TS]

  Some very newborn babies sometimes are sleepier than you would expect think that they sort of come to life the next few [TS]

  days right. [TS]

  But if you had a baby who was a really bad favorite You've probably heard by now you know you'll find out if you talk [TS]

  to us all tomorrow. But so far it sounds like you know everything and everything is average. [TS]

  Everything is going the way it's supposed to I think you're doing fine. [TS]

  Yeah I mean next Wednesday night will come really soon. [TS]

  Like you you will be surprised how how like you know [TS]

  when we had to record a next episode it's going to just bring you like oh my god it's time for that already. [TS]

  So here you are going back to work. [TS]

  Speaking of No I actually was going to share that just because I think I would get questions so my work gives me a week [TS]

  of paternity leave and then I've saved up two weeks of vacation on top of that. [TS]

  So what I think I'm to do is without a shadow of a doubt I'm taking off all next week. [TS]

  I think I'm probably going to take off the week after maybe maybe go back one day but I doubt it [TS]

  but the third week I'm thinking I might actually stretch that and do you know maybe like a two [TS]

  or three day week that third week and then to a three day week of work that is that third week [TS]

  and then take another couple days the following week and you know kind of ease myself back into it will say [TS]

  and so you go like you've got grandparents helping you out. [TS]

  Yes So Aaron's parents are both in Richmond [TS]

  and are super helpful I mean Aaron's one of five kids so they've been around the block a couple times [TS]

  and my parents are retired which is also super helpful because Aaron's parents are not [TS]

  and they live outside Charlottesville about forty five minutes away so the good news is during the weekdays I can [TS]

  easily gilts my parents into coming down to help and then on the evenings [TS]

  and weekends I can have Aaron's parents help me this is the first grandchild on both sides. [TS]

  So he's going to be spoiled as hell no matter what I do. [TS]

  Now did you was it difficult to pick a name to try to avoid bliss puns. [TS]

  Yes And so actually it's funny you say that because the way we came upon the name was my two siblings are Adam [TS]

  and Brady and then Casey then blank and then Aaron because it's A.B.C. [TS]

  Something [TS]

  and so we we were so daunted by how to pick a name that we needed some really ridiculous yet useful way of narrowing it [TS]

  down and so I eliminate it. [TS]

  I think it was me was part of us [TS]

  but I only needed twenty five letters of the alphabet by saying we're going to start with D. Because A B. C. D. E. [TS]

  and That's just kind of cutesy and I think it's cool. So then it was well worth the crap because you can't use. [TS]

  I mean Richard isn't our name but you couldn't use Dick because dickless doesn't work [TS]

  and you couldn't use a whole bunch other names [TS]

  and actually one of the things I've been worried about is I hope I didn't set Declan up for a really awful like second [TS]

  through eighth grade stretch by Declan turning into Dak turning into a dick. Now he's hard dickless. [TS]

  We'll see there's going to be seven other deck on this class an hour about it. [TS]

  I hope not that's actually one of the one of the other names we were really considering which I'm not going to share [TS]

  because I don't have half the Internet say to me oh you should use the other name. [TS]

  But one of the ones we considered we felt we we eliminated because it's become super popular these days [TS]

  and I am not one hundred percent convinced that Declan isn't also political in that category [TS]

  but we say it's pretty popular. [TS]

  Well whatever we're committed now it's all right does that mean that they're popular because people name them name [TS]

  their kids right the way it goes not every going in Marco [TS]

  and to be fair having a really unusual name in school is not necessarily a social event actually. [TS]

  Yeah I was like there's like three or four other johns [TS]

  and I mean all the girls were named Jennifer it worked out fine so my secret had a cannon as they call it for Declan is [TS]

  De Lorean plus McLaren equals Declan. The car thing. [TS]

  Yeah it's funny because my little brother in law who he thinks he's like the king of movie trivia and really isn't. [TS]

  I'm actually much better movie trivia than he is so that should give you a rough estimate as to where he stands [TS]

  and in this whole category [TS]

  but anyway he reminded me that Richard Gere's character in the movie The Jackal was named Declan which I'd completely [TS]

  forgotten about that's actually my my memory of the movie although I haven't seen in ten fifteen years is that it was a [TS]

  pretty good movie all told and I think Jack Black was in it like a semi-serious role if memory serves. [TS]

  So you know and so yeah it's amazing it's the most amazing thing the world [TS]

  and it's weird because I mean you were kind of alluding to this John I never liked carrying babies. [TS]

  I mean I think I picked Marco up on earth like I had a mother is very small trade only [TS]

  or are you just put it out of pocket so we can see. [TS]

  Anyway I picked Adam up a couple times I think but every time I'm like I'm a gunman drop my gun [TS]

  and drop a mom I got him and drop him and when it's your own kid [TS]

  or at least in my experience all it's all of that it just goes away and it's just this is what I have to do [TS]

  and it sounds so cliche and silly but it really is the way it was. [TS]

  And [TS]

  and I'm so much more confident making decisions about him not to say it's all on me of course Aaron's really doing all [TS]

  the work and I'm staying credit for it but you know figuring out a diaper is a sleepy whatever the case may be. [TS]

  It's become so much more naturally once you're there in I still can't even really believe I'm a dad. [TS]

  Like that's the most wild thing in the world. [TS]

  Yeah it's I'm so happy for you to see you going through this to see you enjoying all of this so I'm just so happy for [TS]

  you and I are and I think the entire Internet is happy for you Aaron. Yeah I really appreciate it. [TS]

  Actually the outpouring has been absolutely ridiculous [TS]

  and I cannot think everyone enough if you happen to listen to my other show analog you'll know that I'm trying to come [TS]

  to terms with not replying or favoring everything under the sun and so on. I haven't done that. [TS]

  I continue to not do that but it's been absolutely incredible all the support [TS]

  and I know I speak for Aaron in saying I really appreciate it. [TS]

  Well [TS]

  and I think anybody who has any sense whatsoever especially anybody who is a parent will totally understand if you don't [TS]

  necessarily have time to respond to every single outpouring message of tweet an e-mail right now literally two days [TS]

  after you had a baby. You get two things. [TS]

  Do these guns worry over this baby the first one is already got the list I thought I was a sleep deprived to do so [TS]

  since you tried so hard to have this baby like as you had difficulty doing the show not your pretty you will just [TS]

  appreciate it more than people who didn't have a problem. [TS]

  Right and that appreciation will carry you through the hard times. [TS]

  Like that'll give you a little rocket boost for one is difficult because you always have that kind of in the back of [TS]

  your mind like how hard you work for this and how much you want it over and over and I think that really will help. [TS]

  Yeah I think the same thing [TS]

  and the second thing is like now you are you're being indoctrinated into a club of people who know how difficult it is [TS]

  to be a parent [TS]

  and you will now face a struggle that all of us face which is do not lord it over other people because of noxious. [TS]

  But no actually it's funny you say that because you know a lot of our friends have already had kids [TS]

  and so we always try to deny to be very understanding when you know something you have cancelled at the last minute [TS]

  or or if somebody was really particular about oh I can't do that because it's nap time [TS]

  or because it's within three hours of nap time or whatever [TS]

  and so it it never I never understood if we try to be understanding of what I'm really curious to see is how often we [TS]

  play those cards now that now that they're in our deck you know well we just can't do that because Declan is going to [TS]

  nap sometime between now and three days from now. So now we can't I'm sorry. [TS]

  Sometimes it's a card [TS]

  and sometimes it's the truth that's the beauty of it is that the other person will tell Yeah yeah. [TS]

  Usually I think it's the truth. I mean for us it is rather the truth they have and showered in three days right. [TS]

  No I don't leave the house. [TS]

  No but you know but soon you will you know you will you will know firsthand like you know if when [TS]

  when you know somebody who doesn't really know about you know how kids how life with kids works they will be really [TS]

  surprised when you tell them that you really can't go [TS]

  and meet them for dinner you know half hour away on a random weeknight you know out of the blue for fun [TS]

  and it's like really you know like that you'll see like the assumptions that people make before their parents about the [TS]

  life of of being a parent if they even think about it. [TS]

  Just by nature of it being such a such a huge change in life the assumptions people make about how it is usually are [TS]

  pretty far off. [TS]

  You're not you're not choosing to like reject certain social events [TS]

  and not go out certain things you're not rejecting that because you want to be uptight. [TS]

  You're rejecting it because you actually would prefer doing things your normal way to going out because the [TS]

  consequences of going out are worse and it's not worth it if that makes any sense at all. Yeah yeah definitely. [TS]

  And it's funny the things that that I made like I don't know if I should say medical declarations about [TS]

  but for example the nursery in the house is I don't know ten fifteen paces away from where our bedroom is and Aaron [TS]

  and I kept saying to each other in the first day you know the first thing we would say is Well you know I think we're [TS]

  going to keep him in the nursery from the get go so he doesn't get too attached to some really you know get this idea [TS]

  that he's always going to be next to us blah blah blah and the next thing we would say leading up to tonight was [TS]

  but we'll see what happens. [TS]

  And when we started talking briefly about what the sleeping arrangements were Tonight the first thing I asked why. [TS]

  Can we easily get the pack and play upstairs. [TS]

  The second thing I asked was well actually when we just drop the Caspar Inn to Declan's room [TS]

  and we can just leave it there. [TS]

  So we're already all these promises we made ourselves like oh we're going to go out to dinner in the first month like [TS]

  all pretty much all bets are off already we've had him for two days had no plan survives contact with the baby. [TS]

  It's true but anyway so yeah thank you everyone you guys especially [TS]

  but everyone for being so supportive for being so interested in error [TS]

  or at least feigning interest in a way that I don't realize you're full of it. [TS]

  So it's been it's been a wild ride it's going to continue to be a wild ride I'm sure you guys will periodic we ask. [TS]

  If for no other reason than to laugh about what we're going through [TS]

  and then I will get to hopefully some amount of pleasure into a into a hearing you tell the story of Army baby number [TS]

  two which come to think of it I don't think we talked about so congratulations to you as well. Thank you thank you. [TS]

  That's happening in the spring but this is to write about you will leave that for later. [TS]

  Well tonight is about other things too so we should probably do the follow up. All right. [TS]

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  but anyway that's at graduations Casey thanks a lot to hover for sponsoring the show so quick story related to her I [TS]

  know that that was a little bit of a read but I think this is worth sharing. [TS]

  When I told Marco and John that Declan was born all was well you know we exchanged a few messages about that [TS]

  and then I believe as Marcos said to me all right here's what you need to do you need to buy Declan List dot com [TS]

  and you need to get the Declan lists Twitter handle immediately before anyone else does [TS]

  and so I'm sitting in the hospital on a hospital wife I doing exactly that [TS]

  and market would you like to guess where I registered Dekel most dot com Go Daddy. Now it was that Hava. [TS]

  Oh was it hover or was it hover. Actually was however I'm seeing so you're infecting K.C. [TS]

  With your inability to pronounce that the British way they would tell you instead of trying to do it for Israel it's [TS]

  true right. Marco speaking of things that you are either creating or buying. [TS]

  What's the story with your IMAX retina five K. [TS]

  Whatever whatever the business forever ordering system is apparently not that reliable so I have between zero [TS]

  and three of them arriving I've only gotten ship notices for two which is the correct number that we ordered so we will [TS]

  see how many arrive I've been charged for three but I think to get refunded automatically it two or to Jewish [TS]

  and anyway they're on a boat or a plane or probably a plane. I think about it might be too slow. [TS]

  So yeah I'm pretty sure they're on a plane between Japan and Alaska right now. [TS]

  We got a drop in a clip at the Lonely Island song which you don't even know what that is in fact I would be surprised [TS]

  if John no one knows what that is. Nope Adam Samberg thing. [TS]

  Yeah good job John I'm pretty much you go [TS]

  and I was already jump in the fall because I was I was already to segue from baby talk to the first item in the actual [TS]

  follow up there. [TS]

  Well I skip one as I say and the same way that Katie is bonded to his child it turns out that the glass is laminated [TS]

  and what is this. [TS]

  This is fall from a different pod cast I was originally a pretty bitter that I thought I thought of Gruber [TS]

  and I were talking about talk show about the about the IMAX screen and talk about how it wasn't laminated [TS]

  but it totally is I was thinking of the Thunderball display which is the same size [TS]

  but you know into the lap of fashion. [TS]

  They opted to IMAX to have the nice laminated scream [TS]

  but did not want to get the car bult displays at least not the one I have anyway. [TS]

  No you're right and that also is not that recent. [TS]

  They have to be IMAX to have the laminated and lower glare screens like two years ago. Yeah yeah so anyway I'm a five K. [TS]

  The screen is laminated. They go visit shows on her fault we have to do it here. [TS]

  We're going to die you know for what it's worth that episode with you [TS]

  and John Gruber is really really good I really enjoy the talk show always but [TS]

  but some of the guests are just always without question just amazing in having the two Johns together. [TS]

  Always a good time always worth listening even though you guys ramble on even longer than we do sometimes. [TS]

  Yeah I also I listened every episode of the talk show [TS]

  and I gotta say John your episodes I think are consistently my best my favorites. [TS]

  He hopes to get some just like smart speed for Gerber though because on the show to be shorter in fact the one you did [TS]

  with Gruber a long time ago that was one of my one of my like top three test files like when I was making [TS]

  when I was making smart speed that was what played most of the time it was the one where you open up saying you know I [TS]

  had to get here as it was a good imitation Oh I see. Yeah thanks. When I had to do to get this to happen. [TS]

  What do you have to do. Reboot into my super duper clown. [TS]

  Right so we also got a lot of feedback myself especially [TS]

  when we all got it about the unlimited plan because we was on the show that I talked about how I still have the [TS]

  grandfathered eight hundred eighty unlimited plan and I don't remember if you guys had said oh that's crazy [TS]

  or if the chat room had said oh that's crazy but somebody did. And look who's smart now because as the F.C.C. [TS]

  Is said you know one nine hundred eighty if you're going to make it unlimited and then severely throttle after three [TS]

  or five gigs of data I don't remember what it is. Well screw you we're going to sue you. [TS]

  And gosh only knows if anything will come of it probably not but I do. [TS]

  For this small stretch of time until this lawsuit is concluded I get to feel smug about it. That's really exciting. [TS]

  Yeah I think ultimately the most likely outcome of this is either nothing will change [TS]

  or they will just end those plans probably. [TS]

  But there's nothing like they are not obligated to keep offering that plan every month but they're doing it. [TS]

  They chose to grab other people and let them continue indefinitely. [TS]

  Presumably because they figured it would do less harm that way to their reputation [TS]

  and to their customer relationships but if it comes down to offering real [TS]

  and throttled unlimited like that please your second sponsor but [TS]

  when it comes down to real unfair unlimited speeds they're not going to offer that they're good and these plans. [TS]

  Yeah but like I said for a brief moment in time I can feel smug. So John tell us about E.C.C. RAM please. [TS]

  I think I mentioned when you were talking about whether I want my mac [TS]

  and how I still feel better about having like server class components and in particular E.C.C. [TS]

  RAM because we have just so much RAM these days [TS]

  and the error rates of RAM you know have not decreased at the same rate that capacity is increased [TS]

  and so the more RAM you get the more likely you're going to have these one bit errors not you know or whatever. [TS]

  Erika commemorate helps prove that reliability [TS]

  and I was like well maybe sit on my head like that I think I am then you know getting fewer [TS]

  and going to the same thing getting pure kernel panics because the memory is helping or whatever [TS]

  and you know who knows. But a couple people sent me this blog post I think I got this link from a scuzzy originally. [TS]

  It's James Haldane's blog [TS]

  and he works I think in the data centers for Amazon so you know like those Google people all those people who have [TS]

  fleets of hardware are like you know for example back blade giving hard drive reliability numbers you can get some good [TS]

  good if you just have a tremendous amount of hardware and then you just start tracking everything [TS]

  and showing the stats on it. [TS]

  And so up at Langley shows people can read [TS]

  and decide you know the numbers are still small like how how many how many errors do you get in RAM how much data do [TS]

  you have to shove in and out of RAM before you get any errors. [TS]

  But even one error bothers me and so easy RAM is not that expensive. [TS]

  The main problem is that Intel I think still only puts you know controllers and everything for it [TS]

  and there are sort of more expensive chipsets [TS]

  but inherently there's nothing about it that makes it so that it wouldn't be economically feasible to put in cheaper [TS]

  stuff of Intel just didn't you know sort of segment their line according to this quote unquote enterprise future. [TS]

  But I thought it was interesting. [TS]

  It makes me feel slightly more justified in my still probably irrational [TS]

  and unfounded belief that easy RAM is something that I need in my life. [TS]

  Yeah I mean if you see Ram like you know if I've said this before like I have always kind of felt that macros were more [TS]

  reliable than than the other Macs I have never owned and I am active for a while so we had one in our house [TS]

  but I've never actually owned I'm at fault and use it full time myself [TS]

  but I have had a I had a lot a laptop so low that the laptops [TS]

  and they always just kind of feel like you know there's always a conclusion all kernel panegyric even though you know [TS]

  failures to wake from sleep in everything and. [TS]

  Macros I've never seen that kind of problem before and I say the radical panic [TS]

  but they've been much more rare you know on the order of like may be made easier to want to year than laptops it was [TS]

  more like you know one to three years and we're not talking big numbers here but it's enough that it matters. [TS]

  You know if you do something really important or if they if they cause you to lose data. [TS]

  But all that being said like I don't know because I haven't had a non macro Apple desktop before I don't know how much [TS]

  of that is just because their laptops like you know like the power management stuff that you know transitioning to [TS]

  nicely even everything like that something that a laptop has to go through much more than a desktop. [TS]

  And there is in those different thermal boundaries and there are different thermal limits and so by that a laptop [TS]

  and and different component tolerances and a lot of things [TS]

  and granted you know the all of Apple's desktops at the macro use a lot of laptop components like that [TS]

  and that many in the i Mac. [TS]

  They're both full of bugs that the low end of each of those the one point four gigahertz crappy models are just macro [TS]

  cares really and so it is a lot of the same components now you know between labs [TS]

  and stuff so I don't know you know I guess you know ask me in a year you know how much of a province ends up being I'm [TS]

  guessing it's going to be. [TS]

  Probably not enough to change which [TS]

  when you're using just for that reason it's so hard to pinpoint the cause of those things ugh. [TS]

  Right software could be like that because Argo I saw it gives people an idea of like well what could be a trivial D.Z. [TS]

  Around like that just to give like a little summary of it [TS]

  and his big measuring measure of all these machines had about a third of their machines had at least one correctable [TS]

  RAM error per year so that's not they're not big numbers right. [TS]

  You're not really it's not the difference between constantly crashing and I like most. [TS]

  I imagine most of the problems I actually have a laptops [TS]

  and other things have to do with software bugs can I mean components that are. [TS]

  You know put under more stress because they have more heat involved just more stuff [TS]

  and they're already you know in the past like when you get a time out but [TS]

  when you have a wife for example that these all why via bluetooth and everything and you know my mac pro does not so [TS]

  or has to do things but anyway it's so hard to know what your tribute these are still [TS]

  but I know that I prize been reliable [TS]

  and that's why I'm sort of got this to do about I was like something in a similar class. [TS]

  Going forward they would just make me feel better. So Mark are you planning on getting rid of your trash can. [TS]

  If the five K. or All three of your five K.'s never show up. What's the intention there. [TS]

  Yemen to sell it I mean it would be really stupid not to eliminate it would you know that I have no use for a for like [TS]

  a big expensive death time that I'm not using. [TS]

  I've been thinking about maybe getting a mac mini for like a backup server kind of needs but [TS]

  and by the way I every time I try can figure out a price out a MacMini in Apple store you know it just makes me angry [TS]

  because it's like here's computed five hundred dollars but only if you get a terrible and like it. [TS]

  If you get a MacMini worth owning it's a thousand dollars [TS]

  and they go well at this point should be looking at a MacBook Air So it's so nicely designed to push you up the line [TS]

  and [TS]

  and the new the new mac Mini's have even less upgradeable than the previous ones that you know even a long upgrade the [TS]

  RAM It's now solder on to the board and the disks are very hard to get to and you can see like you can't get an S.S.D. [TS]

  With the low end C.P.U. You have to go the high end C.P.U. [TS]

  It's just there are so many little restrictions in place to make sure that if you get a MacMini for less than one [TS]

  hundred dollars it's going to be a total piece of crap. [TS]

  That aside I mean this macro is probably still worth a few thousand dollars at least [TS]

  and so it's it would be stupid of me to keep this around for you know file sorting tasks I mean I be better off selling [TS]

  it and taking a third of the money and buying a Mac. Many with it. [TS]

  Now you're going to keep it around for like a month or two to see how you feel about the five K. [TS]

  or Are you going to immediately unload it. Well it has fourteen days to win me back. [TS]

  You know if for some reason the five K. Is horrible and I return it then I will go back to it. [TS]

  But based on the reviews I mean everyone get these five K.'s seems to be loving them like I have not found a lot of [TS]

  complaints about them the I was a little worried about heat and fan noise [TS]

  and from what I can gather what everyone's saying is that you can hear the fan if you're like playing a three D. [TS]

  Game with Sean that may be relevant to you actually [TS]

  but if you if you're just doing other things even if you're stressed even if you're stressing the C.P.U. [TS]

  Securing handbrake as long as you're not stressing the C.P.U. and The G.P.U. [TS]

  Everyone's basically saying it's effectively inaudible so I'll see when he gets here. [TS]

  They do hear the audio file that someone sent us of their microphones are IMAX [TS]

  and know someone someone played portal basically on their IMAX and record of the sound of the fan [TS]

  and of course you can tell from recording how bad it really is because really depends on how close the mike was [TS]

  and so on and so forth but you can kind of get a feel for the quality of the sound [TS]

  and it sounds not surprisingly very similar to what it sounds like [TS]

  when you really crank up the fans on a laptop you know I mean think of the sort of it's a thin package [TS]

  and they're small opening right. [TS]

  It's got that kind of I couldn't tell her like the asymmetrical fan kind of like fuzzy instead of like the the wine [TS]

  that you get from a from a small symmetrical high was a pretty big fans and so there's just one fan [TS]

  and it's in the back behind the stand as roots big right. [TS]

  It is it's big [TS]

  but it's not nearly as big as like the macros I mean there's not enough room for a fan I think I have been looking [TS]

  around [TS]

  and to see if anybody has any any information on this fan like I was agreement before I ordered I fix it shows you what [TS]

  it looks like but no one seems to say it has a symmetrical blitz. [TS]

  I can find information on Apple's site anywhere else so I'm pretty sure it doesn't. [TS]

  But the big difference between the MacPro fan and that fan. It's the same reason you know you can get X. [TS]

  Ten horsepower by changing your intake manifold. Nine is much better airflow through further than you do. [TS]

  Trying to bring bring air into the little slits or whatever the bottom of it I am agen [TS]

  and shot it through a bunch of tubes or whatever so the macro is all nice [TS]

  and opened up plenty of plenty of power this is not the knowledge is not working well for you know what I mean. [TS]

  Yeah I mean literally I have never heard my macro fan ever like it matter what I do with this thing [TS]

  and I don't play three games so I don't think I've ever stressed the G.P.U. Use and the C.P.U. [TS]

  Is at the same time but I like doing just pure C.P.U. Maxing out. [TS]

  I've never ever heard of an honest broker and I don't I don't expect an actor match that that level of awesomeness [TS]

  but as long as it's close. [TS]

  I'll be very happy with it and everyone's basically saying it's totally worth it because the screen is amazing. [TS]

  Yeah I saw one I went to the Apple store to check one out [TS]

  and remember that I don't have any retina Macs in the house [TS]

  and I gotta say that screen is beautiful it is it is absolutely the screen I would want in a mythical revised on a [TS]

  thunderbolt display which as we've talked about many times in the past is going to happen for a long time [TS]

  but I'm personally not a desktop kind of guy and so as much as I think that screen is beautiful. [TS]

  Not going to be buying an IMAX anytime soon but it is pretty. [TS]

  I was actually about one hundred feet from an Apple store yesterday [TS]

  and didn't go in because I didn't want like I want my new the first one I see and I know that stupid [TS]

  and I know it's already coming like my little wait until it's going to get here Monday or Tuesday. [TS]

  Wait until then you know so yeah but and I realize too like you know as I was talking [TS]

  or for an underscore David Smith and I talking with [TS]

  and reading people's reviews one of the great things about a retina screen for i OS developers is that you can run the [TS]

  retina simulators at regular sizes when you have a number in a screen for those you don't know the retina. [TS]

  Simulators run by default at one X. [TS]

  Of their actual pixels [TS]

  and so it like a Retina i Pad doesn't even fit on your monitor most of the time searching isn't a laptop even even the [TS]

  retina. [TS]

  But right now i have i Phone six Plus it doesn't fit on anything either because it's so friggin big has three extra [TS]

  pixels [TS]

  and on a retina screen it runs you know these these things all run like at their retina size like at their like native [TS]

  point sizes so they're they're smaller and you can there's that you can hit the command two [TS]

  and three to to artificially shrink them if you do I mean the screen [TS]

  but the performance is terrible it doesn't look good so it just even just doing I.O.'s development there's a very very [TS]

  good reason to have retina screens because it just it just makes it so much easier to to see what you need on screen [TS]

  the way it will actually look on a device that makes sense. [TS]

  I mean I saw a screenshot that underscore David Smith pre-buy sim essentially the same one of him writing the i Pad [TS]

  simulator I think in landscape and having X. [TS]

  Code adjacent to it all on the same stream not using like spaces or anything like that [TS]

  and there was still plenty room left over and I've done enough i OS development to know that's a big deal. [TS]

  So I'm excited for you as much as it makes me grumble that you you should hand the trash can so quickly. [TS]

  But anyway believe me it that makes me grumble just as much I mean it does not it is not please me that I spend a lot [TS]

  of money on this computer that I thought I was going to have for a while expecting that I'd be able to get desktop [TS]

  right now the way I wanted with it only to find out something way way better. [TS]

  Came out like nine months later like me that's I guess ten months later that is not a great feeling [TS]

  but it is a great feeling that the one I got the MacPro I got the resale value will probably cover the IMAX cost at [TS]

  least most of the way I will see though. Now that's impressive. We have a little bit more follow up. [TS]

  But before we get to that since I think it may take a minute. [TS]

  Why don't you tell us about something else that's really cool. [TS]

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  There's an entire class of problems of this protect you from basically any anything that can happen physically to your [TS]

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  backup. Five bucks a month. Anyway thanks to back pleas for sponsoring once again. [TS]

  Oh and we have a really good story about back ways. [TS]

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  and Bakley saved our business if it wasn't for the fact that back police force of the fact that we could get everything [TS]

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  or whatever then I can that I honestly believe that we would have had to shut the doors [TS]

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  So yeah that's the honest to goodness hand on heart that is pretty much for being I mean email we got so like Marco it [TS]

  said Get back ways get some sort of online backup they can save your bacon. [TS]

  Yeah and if nobody's told you yet raid and raid like systems like like gerbils [TS]

  and masses of that that is not its own back up that you know like those things serve to reduce down time [TS]

  and in the case of like durable [TS]

  and phonology is Hyperion stuff like that you know things like I want to expand this drive volume without you know [TS]

  erasing everything you know so you can get convenience from raid but RAID is not a backup. [TS]

  That's what red stands for RAID stance or it is not a backup that's why it's spelled All right a idee Exactly. [TS]

  Just don't just don't as a geek what the eye is for every day everyone is going to mouth about the different [TS]

  definitions of the i's foreign rate. [TS]

  Right so a couple of the things that we should hit in follow up there's a couple quick ones and one not so quick. [TS]

  First I've tried Apple Pay. It is magical. [TS]

  I have used it twice both times for at McDonald's I don't care if you think that's gross because I like Nick. [TS]

  The first time was for breakfast [TS]

  and it was just as socially awkward as I expected it to be because I had told the clerk Oh how to eat how do I go about [TS]

  using the you know Phone pay thinks I didn't want to say how I use Apple pay because I figured that they would be like [TS]

  what. [TS]

  So I made it worse by using like hand wavy general isms [TS]

  but eventually I realized they were near field communication isn't just near field communication it's like you stick [TS]

  your darn phone on top of the reader communication. [TS]

  And once I got the phone a lot closer it prompted me to pay and it worked no problem. [TS]

  And then last night I used it again in order to get a chocolate milk shake for air and [TS]

  when I was returning from home to the hospital. [TS]

  But it is pretty awesome and I'm really stoked to use it in pretty much any store I could possibly use. [TS]

  And another quick one. Some lunch Shaolin men on Twitter. Let me see if I can find their actual name and night. [TS]

  Nicely done. [TS]

  Magnus apparently went away as he had told us that there is perhaps a way to do upgrade pricing [TS]

  or bundles to use bundles to do upgrade pricing in the App Store. I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that. [TS]

  We talked about that like that you know some of the birds that idea [TS]

  and we talk about how terrible it would be because it's not it's like yeah you can kind of get a good price in that way [TS]

  but trying to explain to people like I know you just want to get a cheaper way to get the next version of the program [TS]

  but you really have to do is buy the bottle looks like two programs [TS]

  but you'll both subtract the amount that you paid for the other one which is not the same as the amount that is [TS]

  currently of yourself or in the store and like it. [TS]

  It's all this convoluted system and you know Mark in particular thought it was a bad idea I also agreed [TS]

  but the bottom line is we thought someone would try to do it. [TS]

  If Apple didn't stop them and this is I think a screenshot from a German apps that are. [TS]

  But anyway apparently someone has tried to do it is doing it and Apple hasn't stopped them yet [TS]

  and I'm sure people are very confused by it because all they want is one program [TS]

  and they have to buy bundled with two and hope they're getting the right things [TS]

  and it's kind of a mess where as Cochrane points out in the chat you have to still be selling the old program in the [TS]

  store like the old version has to still be there which means that you'll have people buying the old version thinking [TS]

  it's a new version and then there are so many like so many problems in practice with with this arrangement [TS]

  and trying to trying to have a great pricing into this. [TS]

  This system was clearly not made to do that [TS]

  and the more you try to wedge upgrade pricing into that system the more it's going to hurt your support costs. [TS]

  Your reviews are really stupid your customers I think it's worth looking at our friends a super top bought [TS]

  and read from Jared Sinclair and just this past week. [TS]

  Before that they just released their new update and it's a separate after had to do that for various reasons [TS]

  and they have a fantastic monetization plan where you know it's a free download [TS]

  and you get you know like I don't know fifty articles to week to read and drama. [TS]

  Some might that some try limits to it and then you got to pay and and so they do have the pricing with purchase [TS]

  and just see if you have your version installed. [TS]

  It's not like you know as secure you know I'm sure you could fake it pretty easily or hack your way around it [TS]

  but who cares I mean that's not worth worrying too much about it's so obvious that Apple really wants people to to just [TS]

  make the apps free up front [TS]

  and figure out your monetization some other way like that's a user approach for that purpose. [TS]

  It's so much better for so for so many use cases it's so much better for customers. [TS]

  It sucks when an app is paid up front and they download it and it sucks. [TS]

  Like it's one of the reasons why you know that generates a lot of customer hostility it generates people you know makes [TS]

  people lose faith in the App Store. It makes a lot of one star reviews. [TS]

  Not to say that you know free apps don't have that but if you can avoid making your app paid up front you should. [TS]

  An apple is never going to make it easy for you to have upgrade pricing or or you know automatic free trials [TS]

  or anything like that like they're never going to make that easy. The way forward is free app with some kind of trial. [TS]

  There are limitations in our purchase to upgrade it and any other system is going to be a world of pain for you [TS]

  and your customers. [TS]

  The other unread thing was very cool I mean it was a little goofy [TS]

  and that you could tell there was probably like you said your L. [TS]

  Scheme in it a problem in accounts back and forth between the apps a couple once or twice [TS]

  but the fact that they pulled it off. [TS]

  Well that's super top is the one that did it or one of the ones that did it isn't surprising [TS]

  but the fact that they pulled it off was very impressive as an apple approved it was impressive. [TS]

  And yeah that too but it was very cool [TS]

  and I certainly appreciate it as an unread user so you know even ignoring the using bundles as a great present just [TS]

  bundles by themselves like doing the thing they're supposed to do like you know I would like these other applications. [TS]

  But I already have one of them. [TS]

  Can I get a discount by buying them in a group [TS]

  but then have you know that my purchase of that other ones attractive from a sense of panic has a bundle now to know [TS]

  that more than one panic software makers of transmit and many other fine products [TS]

  and they have like a factor something trying to explain and I saw them supporting people over Twitter [TS]

  and I think this is right and I've got no research and I don't know if any notes or whatever is going to my memory [TS]

  but I'm pretty sure that like people are confused because they would have purchased one program [TS]

  and they would go buy a bundle with two programs in it and it would be more expensive. [TS]

  The bundle would be more expensive than if they just bought the second program themselves [TS]

  and they would be confusing like isn't the whole idea of the bundle that it has two programs already bought one of them [TS]

  so I can get the second one for less [TS]

  and it's like actually more expensive to buy the bundle in the reason I think farmer has correctly is that the bundle [TS]

  subtracts the price that you paid for the application not the price of the other applications have you bought the other [TS]

  application. Like on sale for ninety nine cents for a twenty four hour sale or something. [TS]

  It will only subtract ninety nine cents from the bundle so you could you could end up centrally finding a really [TS]

  expensive way to buy that second app you just bought a second hand by itself maybe it's two bucks. [TS]

  But because you're only getting ninety nine cents attractive in the bundle the bundle price was like you know six [TS]

  dollars something you couldn't that's paying more than two bucks for the second half by buying the bundle which is also [TS]

  not a good experience and weird I don't know if that's like it's certainly not obvious [TS]

  and it's basically a support cost [TS]

  or like anger against angry customers who you can't get in contact with leaving bad comments on your bundle saying [TS]

  those bundles a rip off. [TS]

  It's cheaper for me to buy the other apps but they don't do that it's a scam [TS]

  and you can't respond to a person as just it's just terrible. [TS]

  Well we're running out of things to complain about that Apple has done so in terms of apps or policies so why not this. [TS]

  So what I want to quickly mention as well that we talked last episode about a tweet that Michael Gurr which had written [TS]

  that very very conveniently [TS]

  and simply summarized what is required for the different kinds of continuity in Iowa state Yosemite [TS]

  and listener Jared sent a tweet that we open the show notes that has two links to you Apple K.B.'s articles that [TS]

  explain what is required for each the different kinds of continuity so we'll put those in the show notes. [TS]

  John how did you how would you like to eliminate support for certain kinds of devices in the Nihilists app you know [TS]

  Marco as well as market on a previous show if there was a way to sell an app [TS]

  but exclude devices with the A five system on a chip because they're slower [TS]

  and tell you want to like sell sell something you know is not going to run on those unlike the A five guys are dragging [TS]

  down have development that you can't make something really awesome because you have to support their fathers is no way [TS]

  if you do it's good. [TS]

  I mean taking away of course there are [TS]

  but like that Apple doesn't let you excluded by making up something bogus you know like checking for a screen [TS]

  resolution and and. [TS]

  Right never Sinatra's something like that and a lot of people are [TS]

  and tell us that one of the things you can specify as you can require metal support [TS]

  and apparently metals not supported on until five devices I don't know the details but that's correct. [TS]

  The problem is it's also not supported on the six devices so metal can require i Phone five S. and Up. [TS]

  But if you require mail you are ruling out the i Phone five and five C. [TS]

  and The i Pad four which is annoying because the A six is a pretty good chip it's a pretty big jump over the A five [TS]

  and it would be a shame to to lose those and so it's probably not worth most at except the highest end games. [TS]

  Doing this trick [TS]

  and plus I think you know an Apple would still probably not appreciate it like if some pod cast app said I require [TS]

  metal ants that you know really DO YOU LIKE FOR WHAT. [TS]

  Yeah so that's that's fine [TS]

  but there's a near like again there are many things you could possibly do that may be possible public ab eyes [TS]

  but the only thing that actually matters is whether Apple frowns upon the practice so metal is one where you could say [TS]

  OK why obliterate them and use I'm using metal as not supporting these things like that's fine [TS]

  but what if you have a game that requires one of the sort of upper tier devices to work correctly [TS]

  and you just can't scale down the views on lighting effect is like essential to your gameplay or whatever [TS]

  but you don't use metal. You're still you know like OK well now I can check for some other G.P.U. [TS]

  Quality [TS]

  or whatever like that that it's actually the Seems to be used not only the apple not actively trying to support [TS]

  but also it seems like if you are a clever developer [TS]

  and came up with a way to exclude those devices that they might you know smack you down with the hammer of the app [TS]

  store and say sorry you are out [TS]

  and I think these are in the shower somewhere a couple people sent us links to screenshots of things they bought on the [TS]

  App Store that [TS]

  when they launch them on their sort of unsupported device like technically support a sort of the App Store is concerned [TS]

  yeah you can totally buy them is that I surrender and fine when you launch it. [TS]

  It just doesn't have a graphic that says sorry you can't run those in this device [TS]

  and those that have apps that I feel like. [TS]

  Maybe apps or of you didn't test this on every possible hardware and has no idea of this happening [TS]

  and of Apple knew about that absolutely pulled from the store because I can't imagine Apple letting you do that [TS]

  basically sell an application because Apple had a rule that like if your application doesn't meet a minimum threshold [TS]

  of usefulness like the I am rich Apple probably get directed [TS]

  and get rejected these days that doesn't go in the store [TS]

  and this app if you run into like an i Pad Mini just puts up a graphic that says sorry you can't play this game [TS]

  and it's like after you download it and whether it's free [TS]

  or not that is something that I imagine Apple would not approve of. [TS]

  So there's another place where developers have a problem in how Howard how do I develop my products how do I formulated [TS]

  a business plan and how do I sell this product to people I don't even conceptualize a product that can be sold [TS]

  and Apple is not quite doing enough to create an environment that lets developers do what they want to do in a [TS]

  reasonable way which is a shame. [TS]

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  So we should probably talk at least a little bit about the after show from the last episode which was talking about gay [TS]

  marriage eight. [TS]

  And there's a couple of links that we want to share with you guys [TS]

  and I'm guessing John you were the one that added these. [TS]

  Yeah I think you know I got most of the things I wanted to put out in the last week so if you haven't we didn't talk [TS]

  about all the things that I link to but if you go back to last week shows and look billing system good stuff there [TS]

  and then shortly after the show either this came out after the show [TS]

  or at least I read it after the show there was one more that I thought was good they got passed around a lot it's worth [TS]

  reading and this one is. [TS]

  It's weird because it's from a movie reviewer [TS]

  and it's for a movie of your sort of who writes underneath sort of a persona. [TS]

  It's film a Chris Hulk as in film critic Hulk [TS]

  and he Simonson here you know is right as if it's the Hulk writing movie reviews sort of talking like cave men like [TS]

  this like they're like Hulk talks or whatever and it's all in caps [TS]

  and then prevents a lot of people from reading anything. Right because it's all in caps. [TS]

  So there are two before I discuss what he actually wrote about gay marriage. There are two things you will need one. [TS]

  There is a fire there are many ways that you can you know you can just go in and if your web developer [TS]

  and a stranger in the letter get really easily but the fire truck is actually making sense. Case for you. [TS]

  So if you're going to try to read this don't try to read in all caps you'll probably go blind. [TS]

  Look into the details of our first that's one link in the second link is an interview with the guy or not. [TS]

  There's an interview now I think this is writing about him [TS]

  but asking him questions about why do you do this why do you write your movie reviews in all caps as if you're the Hulk [TS]

  was the point about it seems like it's annoying you're reducing your readership is it a gimmick whatever's on service [TS]

  you can read that explain why he does this. [TS]

  I read the explanation I understand the purpose behind it [TS]

  but bottom line I find it very difficult to read very long things attacks that are all in caps [TS]

  and he writes really long things all the time. [TS]

  All right so anyway the actual article he wrote here this is from a perspective of sort of despair [TS]

  and sadness about this thing has happened and he feels helpless to do anything about it [TS]

  and it looks like a tar balls kind of like viewing a tragedy from afar like everyone is all just you know all these [TS]

  people are smashing together and not understanding each other and there are bad outcomes and you know [TS]

  and it doesn't bode well for the future and so on and so forth [TS]

  and so if you if you're looking to read something to try to understand the people who find the whole movement sort of [TS]

  the whole phenomenon upsetting right. [TS]

  Like they're not so much a cheerleader for one side or the other [TS]

  but they think game again has been incredibly damaging and they try and they try to explain why. [TS]

  I mean he's he's against gamer get as everyone is at this point I believe you know I don't most of the mainstream media [TS]

  has come down pretty hard on the side of being against Camaguey But this is not like it's not. [TS]

  Cheerleading for like we need to get those gamer guys I think it is a very very understanding and empathetic [TS]

  and if you can get into the headspace of the people who are viewing this sort of not entirely from the outside [TS]

  but more like I don't know it's super long. We should just give it a try and read it. Don't movie reviews are similar. [TS]

  Very long very rambling very emotional. [TS]

  I find them interesting sometimes even [TS]

  when I disagree with them so if you are if you are still feel like you feel like there's something of substance to game [TS]

  or gate and you don't understand why people are upset about it. [TS]

  One more thing that you can read [TS]

  and it's a little game where you have to try to turn into a sentence case before you get to read it without going crazy. [TS]

  So that's it I didn't know and I go into it too far but the perchance even attempt to read this. [TS]

  No I don't know if I can answer for question because it's really you have an excuse not to play the baby card thought [TS]

  up to my cat so I have a new baby so I've no time for that. [TS]

  I was totally busy can read it to you totally meant to read it [TS]

  but anyway no honest to goodness I really do intend to [TS]

  and now that I know that there's a way to take away the all caps I probably will but I looked at the link [TS]

  and I looked at the all caps and I was like no I can't do this and I honestly couldn't be sure. [TS]

  Like with the many things that he writes as one of the major complaints is like it's long [TS]

  and doesn't seem like a needs to be about a lot [TS]

  but there is there's a certain charm to maybe reading one of those things you know. [TS]

  Anyway I want to talk around on my butt if morning because Man I wish I wish he were actually wrote this in the source [TS]

  code in regular case and then just use C.S.S. Text transform to make an uppercase on display. [TS]

  Then you just copy it out and as easy as way to change the lower case it just you know there's a sense of elegance [TS]

  but that the extension will try to sense cases for you. [TS]

  Getting really all caps doesn't change the sort of you know Hulk right like this. [TS]

  You know like that it won't add it to the articles bag and they won't you know. [TS]

  So there's there's always going to be a little bit of that Hulk flavor to it but he slips in [TS]

  and out of that he can maintain that character. [TS]

  I found over the long haul and in the middle of things just us writing regular senses that happened in all caps. [TS]

  Can we get Jonathan Coulton to sing this to us. Maybe that would be easier. [TS]

  Long song and still be better to right away finally done with follow up. I think we are yes. [TS]

  We're never done a follow up. Fair point. [TS]

  So sort of tangentially related no with regard to people being on I don't made fun of losing the word I think trying to [TS]

  think of it anyway. Persecuted some people being persecuted that shouldn't be. [TS]

  Tim Cook came out to day is that right is officially came out as being gay and wrote a really good [TS]

  and reasonably short piece about it and about why why he's saying it and what it's all about [TS]

  and I definitely recommend reading it it is not in all caps it is written like you know like a regular human should [TS]

  read write it it is not written like a superhero and it's a really really wonderful wonderful article [TS]

  and I can't recommend it enough or put a link in the show notes. [TS]

  Yeah I'm I'm really happy he did this I mean a lot of people have to have assumed he was gay [TS]

  and you know just never said anything [TS]

  and you know because it's not you know it's not other people's place to say really you know like if you didn't want to [TS]

  be out you know that's that's his choice [TS]

  and it's really it's it's sad really in our society it's sad that this matters but the fact is it does [TS]

  but it's sad that this is major news. [TS]

  Ideally you know your sexual orientation you know the sexual intuition of the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of a big company shouldn't matter any more than like you know how they like their steak cooked like who cares like [TS]

  that's not relevant to his job at all that is not relevant. [TS]

  Too that his public persona you know liked the role he used to play in public [TS]

  and what the public needs to know about him his sexual orientation is not at all relevant but the fact is [TS]

  and he writes this in the essay that the fact is it does still matter. [TS]

  Because society as a whole is still nowhere near even even mainstream let alone full acceptance of homosexuality [TS]

  and various other you know States and identities [TS]

  and not to mention there's a gender identity because so many many things were still a behind on. [TS]

  So the fact is it is still very significant that he is coming out in public because that is that is still a risk in a [TS]

  lot to a lot of people and that is still significant and I tell you I wish I wish he didn't have to but [TS]

  but I see why he wanted to do it. [TS]

  Yeah that's that this type of issue you know people who make sort of the comment that like like you just said oh well [TS]

  but that doesn't that shouldn't matter it's irrelevant [TS]

  and the fact that he's writing an article about it to declare this is just such be ask is Why is he emphasizing this [TS]

  really not important like it should just be if you just be you know sort of unspoken is no need you need you don't need [TS]

  to throw this in my face you know or just saying like by by talking about it and by emphasizing [TS]

  and you're actually making the issue worse [TS]

  and really we should just all be equal in something like this is very similar to the sexism issue in that events like [TS]

  this don't happen in isolation. [TS]

  If you view it in isolation as a by saying this you're drawing attention to the issue [TS]

  and you're just making it so you're never going to be said. [TS]

  You keep trying to show yourself as being different and so on it's over [TS]

  but like viewing anything like that during you know any event or any action in isolation and then trying to. [TS]

  Apply logic to him saying therefore this you know this is a logical to be doing this are you sure the making sense [TS]

  because it's happening in the context of a world where we know that there is prejudice against gay people. [TS]

  There are laws on the books that are you know that you can be fired for saying you're gay likes that like you know [TS]

  that's the word of this is taking place in it which is why you know why isn't there a this is why I have to do this [TS]

  because it's the context of the world that I live in that I have to do this. [TS]

  Nobody is writing an article that a one page article on Business Week is getting this kind of coverage [TS]

  and saying I had to come out and tell you now that actually I am married. [TS]

  We know how the context is that we do not live in a society where being married is something that can get you fired. [TS]

  Something that can make people hurt is against you you know there are not huge groups of people who are just against [TS]

  married people that we could live that society does not as arbitrary as you know trying to get a job as a married woman [TS]

  who's thirty I didn't say women that's for the the woman issue like the women issue the same thing [TS]

  when people say like anything that happens that you know have a sexism [TS]

  and also I call that as a magnet as ball blood like it's happening and racism exactly the same in isolation. [TS]

  You're crazy you know sort of pseudo rationalist logic works [TS]

  but this event this person this action this thing is happening in the context of a society where you know where the [TS]

  country the step slavery where there's massive institutional racism where millennia of oppression of women [TS]

  and that is the context in which this action taking place and you have to view the things in context [TS]

  and I think people have a reasonable time with this because people understand for the most part of this point I think [TS]

  the context of you know being gay like they know gay people have been you know oppressed and discriminated against. [TS]

  We know we're in the active process of trying to get our laws straight on this with marriage equality right. [TS]

  You know just in the same way in the civil rights movement like I could see that this was bad [TS]

  and now it's getting better when this transition that the problem is when you get it. [TS]

  It's your wages or you think that has already come and gone. [TS]

  It's not a problem anymore like racism or you think it's never been a problem like sexism [TS]

  or like us just the way things are you can remember no one is alive who is around you know for women who were getting [TS]

  suffrage anyway. I am also sad mostly sad that he felt like he had to keep this part of them hidden for so long. [TS]

  Not that I thought that is relevant to his job in any way other than making him empathetic to other people who are also [TS]

  marginalized but there is just can you imagine being him being like it even [TS]

  when Steve Jobs dog just a tremendously powerful person in a successful company [TS]

  and yet feeling like you had to not so much keep it secret secret [TS]

  but basically this is part of me that I know I can't I can't talk about because there may be damaging consequences [TS]

  damaging consequences for the company that I work for. [TS]

  For my career for you know for like imagine if you had come out as soon as he was named C.E.O. or Just before. [TS]

  Like how that would you know that they could mess up our transition you know it's like it's such a shame that that's [TS]

  the case is that that's the world that we live in that this had to be a carefully controlled thing where you know [TS]

  and by the way speaking of carefully controlled in typical Apple fashion I think you did an amazing job in terms of not [TS]

  letting anyone else dictate the story not sort of getting outed [TS]

  or pressured into answering questions about his private life [TS]

  or anything like that even though this is sort of been a persistent sort of you know rumor for a long time. [TS]

  Press was mostly good about squashing that [TS]

  and saying it's not this is not something that you should be discussing the tech press because it's not a tech issue. [TS]

  So he owned this issue. [TS]

  He came out on his own terms the way he wanted to and in a way that shows why he's such a great Apple C.E.O. [TS]

  Because like he controlled the messaging and and just the timing [TS]

  and everything to be like you know after after the transition from Steve Jobs after the Apple Watch announcement didn't [TS]

  know and asking if. Apple can ever make another great product and it's just you know I have a lot of feelings about it. [TS]

  I'm excited that he's out I'm happy that he is providing an example you know to more marginalized people to say you can [TS]

  be whatever you want to be in life there are there is no glass ceiling that should be preventing you from you know [TS]

  becoming [TS]

  and becoming you know whatever you want to be first on all the way there are like the same way Barack Obama's you know [TS]

  kids growing up in a world where there is a president who looks like them a long way to go on all fronts in these [TS]

  things. No gay presidents no woman president no atheist presidents or trolling never happened in any of our lifetimes. [TS]

  But you know every little bit helps right. [TS]

  Oh yeah I mean like that's like you know before he came out it was like he was in a position of power you know he [TS]

  wasn't he wasn't not coming out publicly because he was afraid if I do I always assumed that he was not coming out [TS]

  publicly because he didn't think that should be relevant to his job [TS]

  and so he was choosing you know that from the position of power from the position of being in control. [TS]

  But but but also because he knew this is the thing that did it that some people don't like. [TS]

  Again he wasn't saying he's going to come out I'm going to come out as a left handed nobody cares like literally nobody [TS]

  cares a left handed but he knows that there are people who do care that he's gay which is terrible [TS]

  but he that is the context in which that is it is being made and you can keep saying like oh it's about my privacy [TS]

  and it's like not coming out to say you have bad vision like no one knows you wear glasses or contacts [TS]

  and secondly a health matter is like private information available to question do you wear glasses. [TS]

  That's private information sorry warm reveal that people think you are crazy because there is no context in which you [TS]

  wearing glasses is mingled anybody like that's [TS]

  when people throw those issues of like welts privative ration should not to say they were your health information like [TS]

  your eyesight is more private than your sexual orientation. [TS]

  The only reason we think sexual orientation is privatised so many people in institutions the laws that are prejudiced [TS]

  against. [TS]

  But that is that is the maddening thing [TS]

  and that's why I think you can't an ever hear of people making those comparisons in the direction of like context it is [TS]

  all about context. [TS]

  You know you can look at this from from the way of like you know well what you said in a more powerful message never [TS]

  addressing this issue in public and just being who he was and just [TS]

  but just never letting this even entered public discussion or coming out publicly [TS]

  and I think you know you can argue either way but I think you made the right move. [TS]

  Coming out publicly because I think if if being gay was more suicidally accepted then it would make sense for him to [TS]

  just never addressed personal matters he didn't think were relevant to his job. But because we're not there yet. [TS]

  I think this was this was a strong move. [TS]

  But why would he like that if if if we were in a society where nobody cared he would never have felt the need to hide [TS]

  in the first place because they don't like you don't you don't hide your left handedness like no one to care so you [TS]

  know it really over the air they were never probably going to be that over nobody nobody cares because you know human [TS]

  evolution takes longer than that right. And who knows if a person liking for the right things to this point anyway. [TS]

  If he's going to come out [TS]

  and do this in the context of the world that we live in there is a good way it can happen there's a better way that it [TS]

  can happen [TS]

  and not having it at all is perhaps the worst outcome because then it would feel like he was the most powerful. [TS]

  You know the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of the biggest company the world [TS]

  and even he felt it wasn't safe for him to do this right because of the world we live in so I'm glad that he did it [TS]

  and I'm glad that he did it in a way that was positive like that was not negative it was not he was his hand was not [TS]

  forced does not did not deserve up to anything at all right as if he had come out [TS]

  and had disrupted things a lesson Be careful you better you better stay in the closet of your powerful C.E.O. [TS]

  Because look what it can do to your stock price right. [TS]

  That would totally be unfair but that would be the takeaway for the if you know if there was a problem with it [TS]

  and now I think he's entirely owning it and owning the message. [TS]

  And it's been universally positive as far as I can tell. I mean even the timing was masterful. [TS]

  Like there's not a lot going on in Tech this week he's not like it doesn't appear as though he's like trying to like [TS]

  bury some bad Apple P.R. or Overshadow someone else's news or anything else. [TS]

  The in the Apple product cycle like they've already announced their fall products we're not going to hear from Apple [TS]

  again for the rest of the year in all likelihood the next major Apple event is going to be the spring whenever the [TS]

  watch comes out. [TS]

  And we're also like right between their last announcements and Black Friday [TS]

  and holiday shopping so it's like it's like a perfect little window or like nothing else is really going on. [TS]

  It's not going to appears that this is some kind of political move some kind of like you know move for Apple's [TS]

  political gain because it's not like you could tell that this isn't this was not for that reason. [TS]

  Moves like this it just seems over and over again man Tim Cook is so fricken good. [TS]

  Like so good in his of his I mean if anyone had any doubt watching watching what his you know what Apple has announced [TS]

  what they've released and how Tim has handled things in the last year. Wow. [TS]

  Like he is it is just so clear that yeah he was the right guy for this job. [TS]

  No question I'm still sore about the sixteen sixty four storage but that's fair. Yeah that's fair. [TS]

  And whether weather lands on him just because the C.E.O. [TS]

  or The lands on him because he had because they're grown so there's you know there's still room for improvement. [TS]

  Steve had some moves to him in well no he totally He totally They all had their idiosyncracies just like I knew what I [TS]

  felt like I knew it Steve Jobs issues were [TS]

  and Tim Cook I can only speculate at this point like Well Apple did a thing I don't like. [TS]

  Was that despite Tim Cook's better wishes or was he the one pushing for it or neither [TS]

  and I have no idea because I don't I don't know if it was personality I think one thing we can say about Tim Cook is [TS]

  that he is exceptionally deliberate. Like he does not do anything he doesn't want to do. [TS]

  He does not do anything without really thinking it through like he is extremely you know his actions his statements [TS]

  they're all very deliberate you know it does it doesn't seem like he's holding back like you know even like me on [TS]

  things like analyst calls and interviews [TS]

  and stuff like that like you can tell you know he's not he's not like holding back [TS]

  and trying to calculate every move because he's afraid he's just you know he is extremely deliberate in you know this [TS]

  is what I'm going to say this is how I'm going to say it I'm not going to talk about the things like I'm not going to [TS]

  tell you about our T.V. [TS]

  Unicorn super watch thing like you know just very deliberate that's that's the that's what I can use I think it's a [TS]

  wrap or something Jimmy Fallon had the best version [TS]

  or his writings that had the best one liner about this thing in the chair this joke went around a lot of now. [TS]

  So Apple C.E.O. [TS]

  Tim Cook officially came out as gay [TS]

  but knowing Apple a new take on actually what is a good like general purpose you know any of our like Goblin koala [TS]

  products every week but you have to get things like that to be able [TS]

  and saw the tech industry that every time you get an i Phone The new one comes on you feel sad. [TS]

  So the joke works broadly but is definitely a Tonight Show style. [TS]

  Joe Yeah it doesn't work to anybody who actually pays attention like they release them every year at about the same [TS]

  time doesn't work on their bonuses i Phones every year. [TS]

  Was that you trying to do Merlin's comics like a lumber gimmicks to with when how and how. [TS]

  Yeah we should probably be done. [TS]

  Thanks Bloodsworth responses this week Hava Bachleda Lynda dot com and we will see you next week. [TS]

  Now this show is over. It was accidental accidental. [TS]

  John thank you for giving me as I said to that list and it will save Microsoft banned for next week. [TS]

  Are you to get one. I saw one. So no that is it out. [TS]

  People have already it's for sale you know store and buy right now. They announce it like ten P.M. Like two years ago. [TS]

  It's We'll talk about Actually I think about the ones my other exciting arrival was exciting as Casey's. [TS]

  But I did actually buy myself an S.S.D. Wos That's huge congratulations. I'm calling him Declan. [TS]

  Yeah she called discipline have a have a diskless not nice. I finally gave in because it is couldn't take it anymore. [TS]

  But like. [TS]

  And I knew it was going to painful and it was because I guess I had a one point five terabyte drive [TS]

  and the biggest As is the I think you can buy anywhere is one terabyte. [TS]

  And so I'm replacing a one point five by driver the one terabyte us is the [TS]

  and I I was spending a lot of time in discriminatory acts trying to find where am I going to dump the two hundred [TS]

  or three hundred gigs or whatever surplus that I had and just spending. [TS]

  So damn slow I first the first only goes my virtual machines so I put on another spend as got my point everything all [TS]

  been you know doing some final clones of the drug before I pull it out and then I have to take take that Delta [TS]

  and put it somewhere as putting the Delta down on to this knowledge and then I was cloning that thing out [TS]

  and just take so long [TS]

  when it was a little files like my old eye for a library that I like to have there was like ninety gigs like a really [TS]

  old eye for a library when used on my computer. [TS]

  So many little files and the spinning this takes so long to back them up and just talk for you [TS]

  but I think I'm out the other side now. [TS]

  I've taken my old one one of our terror by driving to pull up on a shelf [TS]

  and leave it there for a while just to make sure I lose anything on it. [TS]

  Think I pulled everything else off on this analogy and up and running and it's nice I got a Samsung eight fifty pro [TS]

  and went all out. [TS]

  It's just everything is so much faster so I think I gather you're in the space that I've basically decided I'm not [TS]

  going to get the five K. Back I'm going to cruise with us for another year with the program. See what happens. [TS]

  Yeah and more or less to deal with the i Phone Now I'm going to a pedophile and I haven't got it yet [TS]

  but I will either I'm going to win the point. Roughly how much was the S.S.D. [TS]

  Other curious like six hundred bucks is expensive for a terabyte for a terrible idea. [TS]

  You can get a terabyte cheaper if you buy like last year's model [TS]

  or like a few lesser pros like the new hotness is an attack as a good review of it it's not that much better than of [TS]

  the older ones I don't like what I was going to buy. [TS]

  Like I'm not going to be using this as a stay for a long time until I carried with me across my next machines right now. [TS]

  When I was little you know bus power cases for something which is a great thing you can do this is the really easily [TS]

  and with U.S.B. [TS]

  Three it's not you know it's not that slow and I want to be using it as a backup drive and stuff but it is nice [TS]

  and fast now feels like my work computer and rising fast and quiet [TS]

  and yeah all those ball the spinning disk you want to hear and what I'm going to cry and cry because it was terrible. [TS]

  So my reboot times are WAY faster now. [TS]

  Priorities I'm about to pass out we do titles why are you tired for some reason I got here hit me like a wall like ten [TS]

  or twenty minutes ago on dying off so don't worry you'll have a solid sleep tonight. [TS]

  Totally Well you know how they work. [TS]

  I think after after my second was born I think I took two days off work [TS]

  but the first one you can take all the pictures that all of them over the like ones like another baby. [TS]

  Margaret OK so a quick aside before you titles so we got a My guess is two thirds camera that they want to try [TS]

  and block recommended and I really really like the limp is so and I think that's probably slightly wrong [TS]

  but anyway look at the tools and toys website they have the worst model names they really do. [TS]

  You wrote a blog post about it. Yeah that's right I've heard like a spell. [TS]

  So anyway I really like it but I've been snapping photos incessantly [TS]

  and it's funny because I as I'm taking like thirty five photos of him sleeping and doing nothing. [TS]

  I'm thinking to myself there's no chance I'm ever going to look at this picture again changed into teaching I'm already [TS]

  that parent that's taking photos sting of him doing that string to him doing nothing to change [TS]

  and it's there's no whatsoever. [TS]

  You can extrapolate that out again of the organization where you're putting your photos into folders by day it like [TS]

  that's out the window. Yeah. By grabbing your number of photos taken for a day I haven't looked since yesterday. [TS]

  How many pictures I've taken of Declan and to be fair I'm shooting in RAW and j peg which is also probably silly [TS]

  but nevertheless so and [TS]

  and of course there's like a zillion duplicate of him sleeping where he moved to you know three centimeters across [TS]

  thirty four pictures. [TS]

  But in the few days that he has been alive I've taken by my estimation somewhere between Definitely more than six. [TS]

  I would guess closer to ten gigs of pictures are freaking wedding the photographer took out ten gigs worth of tickets [TS]

  so I am so screwed. There the photographer's pictures were smaller each. [TS]

  Yeah that's true but I'm so stressed about my wedding photographer took pictures on film. [TS]

  But you're also you are definitely old [TS]

  and we had to pay a bazillion dollars they had been like professionally scanned to actually get around to that around. [TS]

  That's another are my photo library. [TS]

  But we also that we also have the negatives all your digital pictures will be gone but our wedding will be preserved [TS]

  and my parents are actually going in taking boxes of V.H.S. Tapes to Cosco to get them to put them on D.V.D. [TS]

  and I'm sure that's why I don't know the details in terms of cost but I do know that it's heinously expensive. [TS]

  Well it's not that's not like my parents are that with maybe you know how do they get a millimeter millimeter they [TS]

  transfer that now looks terrible right. [TS]

  Prefer wedding photos like high quality thought of the even though this film [TS]

  and so you want to get them like high quality scans and that is expensive [TS]

  and nerve wracking because like you send those off and that's all you've got. [TS]

  Yeah that's that I think is the worst like we have an example V.H.S. [TS]

  Tapes that we'd like to get transferred but like I'm not crazy but it is like you know milling them off to somewhere [TS]

  and maybe we should do it do it or read kind of set up like some like one to one place and one in other places [TS]

  and percent of all individually. So Season titles so I had to give you a photographic Tip two tips. [TS]

  Number one the secret to good photography is lots of babytalk. Yeah well still won't get there. Yeah. [TS]

  Even if you will you will need to take a lot of pictures to get one great one [TS]

  and that's fine that's what every photographer does that you don't talk about. [TS]

  Similarly I suggest that you get get get as good as you can. [TS]

  Capturing motion while Declan is not doing a lot of motion. Yeah because kids move very very quickly. [TS]

  I've never used a camera before. [TS]

  I assume it has interchangeable lenses like most Micro Four Thirds you pay attention when you [TS]

  when you select lenses to their focusing speed. It's because that matters a lot. [TS]

  That's exactly why I ended up convincing myself. [TS]

  Well there's actually two reasons I convinced myself to get a lens that was I think almost as much as the body if not [TS]

  more than the body which for someone who's never had a fancy camera that's like Are you kidding me I am spending more [TS]

  on a couple pieces of glass than I am the actual camera itself. [TS]

  Anyway the one of the reasons was because it focuses silly quickly although I haven't really gotten a grip as a grasp [TS]

  of how to do to how to do shutter priority on the camera. [TS]

  I need to work on that so I crank the shutter speed way the hell up [TS]

  or at least I think I do I'm not a very good photographer obviously but the other reason I wanted to get the lens [TS]

  and we ended up getting and I could tell you what it is but I forget I just know what it goes really really low F. [TS]

  Stop. It's like one point four one point you discovered blur. Oh God Boca or whatever it's called be OK each. [TS]

  It's my favorite thing in the world. We're going to have everybody telling us how to pronounce. [TS]

  Please don't please don't. [TS]

  Here I don't actually know a great president there are only I've only ever read it I've heard book I mean it's it's [TS]

  based on a Japanese word and so you know we're going to argue about how to pronounce it doesn't matter [TS]

  and nobody cares how to pronounce it don't even bother emailing us [TS]

  but yeah that that thing my favorite thing in the world. Yeah. [TS]

  Also consider into retard [TS]

  or feeling like the market was saying practice figures you know like infants are terrible little pink worms started to [TS]

  learn to write like they don't like they don't do anything exciting if they do anything that looks cute it's accidental [TS]

  like it's it's gas it's whatever right you what you're gearing up for is honing your skills for when they turn two [TS]

  or three and start doing the super cute stuff like intentionally and by then you'll be an old pro at it. [TS]

  So this is all like a lot of this like batting practice like figure out this figure out your camera figure out for [TS]

  toggery figure out the best places in your house to take pictures in terms of natural lighting [TS]

  and everything like that and you have plenty of practice and you get one [TS]

  or two good shots where the good looks like he's smiling or making a funny face or. [TS]

  Looks like a movie star in the thirty's or whatever. Yeah. [TS]

  Generally speaking if you ever use the flash you're probably doing it wrong. [TS]

  And yes if you can the more light you can get the better as long as it doesn't come from a flash that's on the camera [TS]

  and I don't think you're beginning to flash it up so yeah as long as it doesn't come from a flash the you you want to [TS]

  TON of light. [TS]

  Generally speaking now that you're now do you have a wide aperture lens [TS]

  and you're going to be obsessive player for a while keep in mind that while blurred background does look good in most [TS]

  cases your subjection always be completely in focus for the most part I mean yes this is a rule for divers can break [TS]

  ones that break the rules but the most common thing that I see and I went through this phase briefly in their noses [TS]

  and yeah OK I don't like F. One point for a new prime lens and you have like a centimeter of depth in focus. [TS]

  Yeah literally at like just the nose and the rest of the face or just their eyes [TS]

  and their nose a blurry like that looks really annoying [TS]

  and like the blurriness of the back on the look cool temporarily until you realize oh I can actually see any of the [TS]

  subject except for this one centimeter slice of them. [TS]

  So the mention of like Baron is behind holding the baby OK we're out sorry you're outside my one inch thick you know [TS]

  focus plane. [TS]

  Yeah and I think that I'm I am doing that I am guilty of that for sure and some of that is because I really want that. [TS]

  OK OK folk whatever they pronounce Hava Either way I got to get better about that [TS]

  but it it's it is really nice to have an actual camera rather than the i Phone as much as I do love the i Phone's [TS]

  pictures and I got to tell you I am not used to having any sort of physical shutter [TS]

  and it is really damn satisfying having that that shutter that machinery move about in your hand as you're clicking the [TS]

  shutter button whatever the shutter button. [TS]

  It's deceivingly satisfying for someone who grew up with physical cameras you know with film cameras. [TS]

  Yet my show Micro Four Thirds does it have a viewfinder in a mirror. There's no there's no marriage. [TS]

  Mero us so he's not he's not here in America classier years here in the shutter correct. [TS]

  OK that's kind of like Marco's car right. Just play the shutter sound for a lot you'll turn that off. [TS]

  That's that's like the first thing I leave it on because I knew I want to know [TS]

  when the shots go off like I may be again an old person I need to hear that sound right I was. [TS]

  I just feel like I don't it's like the people I guess is the same as Believe it [TS]

  or not like you go Don I don't understand people who do but for cameras. I mean I guess. [TS]

  Same thing I have an established history of cameras that make a noise [TS]

  when you press a button like they have an established history of of keyboards but it's like [TS]

  when the keyboards on the screen it's not close enough whereas the camera's I held that made that noise back in the day [TS]

  felt like these cameras like they were physical things this is not a camera on a screen like I would never like the [TS]

  shutter sound on my you know the I.O.'s camera I could do without that [TS]

  but I can't believe this is this is a shocking revelation that you leave on an artificial shutter sound effect on your [TS]

  eye camera that I would never have guessed that I mean doesn't have to be a shutter senators need. [TS]

  I think I just need to have something especially as my cameras like have cheap cameras so the slow like it doesn't take [TS]

  the pain. [TS]

  It's not ready to take a picture immediately the flash takes a long time to recharge even without the flash takes a [TS]

  long time for the image processor to be right like it's not it's not a pro camera I don't have like real cameras so I [TS]

  need that little clicking as to know when the picture run off and you know when I can take the next one. [TS]

  So it so what do you what do you have. Now I thought you had like I would we had we had we had a Canon five D. [TS]

  Mark to from my brother's wedding like he borrowed it from him part of my day not only and [TS]

  and I had that for like a couple days surrounding his wedding to take pictures with [TS]

  and I shouldn't have done that because it lets you know what a real cameras like you know I you know but. [TS]

  We got our first digital camera got argot and I we did have point shoots [TS]

  and I'm one of the super zooms which is why I stick to it is kind of like you know a really big zoom lens that's not [TS]

  interchangeable on a camera with a sensor that's not really that big [TS]

  but you can do you know I want to go to the beach the ocean pictures where the kids are in the waves [TS]

  and I'm standing up to my waist in the water I can sell you a picture of them when they're out farther. [TS]

  If you're twelve feet tall so super zooms are very versatile like they're not they're not going to take really good [TS]

  pictures but they are very versatile for situations where you can zoom with your feet. [TS]

  But just recently with kids I can snag my kid from across the auditorium [TS]

  when it's up on stage you know doing something or across a field or at family events forever [TS]

  and sitting around in the backyard I can grab a closeup of someone who is on the other side of the yard for me it looks [TS]

  really good because it's bright sunlight because the camera you know cameras and the like. [TS]

  So that's what I've been sticking with the super isms [TS]

  and super zooms are getting almost kind of respectable not still not going into like an interchange of a lens camera [TS]

  but the recent super zooms especially the new signing on I forgot the model number for it have somewhat decent sensors [TS]

  sort of on the level of the Micro Four Thirds things or sometimes even better attached to a non changeable [TS]

  and that happens that is actually OK actually pretty good you know. [TS]

  So it has served me well well enough anyway especially with a doom's like if you want to see a good childhood [TS]

  photography follow the meridians and know how to pronounce us man you know enough [TS]

  and who knows they have about the cute kids [TS]

  and they take a pose to really cute pictures they have they have a new baby as well [TS]

  and they they demonstrate how to take good pictures of a baby who is otherwise not very interesting because you know it [TS]

  is sort of a little their baby I think is like three months old now [TS]

  and now we start making real faces here the character don't look at her. [TS]

  I'm his baby you know there's a cute baby entire planet [TS]

  and it's unclear yet that baby's ridiculous your baby like why don't you look like a baby sandwich kills us every time. [TS]

  Unbelievable as little Pumpkinhead I can't stand it. [TS]

  We told you every word you both agree this is like the cutest baby in the world. Totally agree. [TS]

  Oh it's so true it is absolutely true but that you can tell from the sound of your voice that you're just dying [TS]

  and in the best possible way his adorable he hurts me when I look at him like stoppings [TS]

  and then you get the little videos where it is a dancing and everything is adorable. We do titles before I die. [TS]

  So cute I don't want to go pass out by pass out I mean get woken up by my screaming baby as soon as I shut my eyes. [TS]

  He's so cute. It's worth it. I'm not complaining. Babies aren't that cute baby grand I.Q. [TS]

  Until they you know they're like oh you know first I deferred months they're just now I'm my first baby was this [TS]

  terrible you're still not sound like you have all external sentence reference for his yellow pre-loaded for you. [TS]

  We call our first baby scream a pillar. [TS]

  Nope no Powell Anyway if you Google first and sunscreen a pill [TS]

  or if it's hard to find since his video clips I wish there was like a clearinghouse for them but anyway. [TS]

  Yeah I'm going to tell her it was fitting. [TS]

  Did you like The Simpsons Movie is right I don't remember but I thought I was OK [TS]

  and I was not going to actually watch the Simpsons the movie wasn't better than you know a good episode was the one [TS]

  that was the movie the one pinchy No that was an epic and I was a good one though. [TS]

  I've called I Want a lot and she is a good when I write I'm really going to bed [TS]

  and I go to bed I mean staying up all night so you guys as you wake up all refresh [TS]

  and happy tomorrow morning think of me I can't even say that [TS]

  but I actually like a played like you can because we've been there and done that not only that [TS]

  but I'm so excited to like not sleep I will take this problem over any of the problems we are running into for three [TS]

  years so it is a just. [TS]

  Other thing to carry you over like you tried so hard to have this baby [TS]

  and that will help Harry over the other thing is you but you can look forward to is like. [TS]

  There will come a point I mean you're already kind of it now [TS]

  but I'd like Eventually you will back to work you know if you become more retain and remember like [TS]

  when my first child was like two or three [TS]

  or whatever I would just be so excited to come home because I knew that's where my children were like coming home like [TS]

  Christmas every time you get there and the kids would be there [TS]

  or the one kid would be there was seriously it was like I would realize that I was at work I was excited to go home [TS]

  because my kids were there live the same way you'd be excited like go downstairs during Christmas presents so that I [TS]

  think about that as a screen baby is in your arms and your pacing back and forth. [TS]