00:00:00 ◼ ► If denied reject this offer immediately and furthermore declare war against that I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► We do I think it's time that we reach the largest daily audience in the world by connecting everyone to their world via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/10">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► our information sharing and distribution platform product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/16">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► and be one of the top revenue generating Internet companies in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► Who put the revenue generation in your statement like I was in the mission statement is like is that like implied like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/21">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► well we also want to make a lot of not make a lot of money we want a lot of money to flow through our corporation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/28">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► Hopefully eventually our cost will be a lot below that amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/34">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► and will realize some profit the really what we mostly want to concentrate on is just just throughput you know make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► up in volume to lots of revenue. That's her mission statement is just so it ain't so low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/42">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► Well and to be fair they corrected us. This is not Twitter's new mission statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/49">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► This is Twitter's new strategy statement. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/55">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Maybe this is just because I'm not from this planet and business people apparently are. No it's the opposite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/60">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► OK that's because something is she something is wacky and business like is there whatever they put in most businesses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/66">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► Is there some kind of weird chemical that off gases from that that might cause this kind of language to be understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/74">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► and produced so maybe it's like the spider phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► or like cubicle walls I don't know just meetings that just you know it is going to do the motivational poster for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/83">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► None of us this is dumb as all of us know the thing that is I've talked about this in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/91">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► and I'm not being funny right now I really believe that most large businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/97">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► and I have seen this firsthand in financial services firms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► They are entirely not literally of course they're entirely middle management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► and the problem is that every one of every one of these middle managers realizes deep down inside that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/111">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Decide to have meetings constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► and they have these meetings so that at these meetings all of the middle managers can stick up their peacock tails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/122">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► and say look at me I'm so smart I'm not redundant it's all you idiots that are the redundant ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/129">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► and that's that this is the same thing that happens with lawyers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► They make up these ridiculous reasons to exist simply so that they can continue to exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/138">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► It's completely self-serving really because I mean look at reach the largest daily audience in the world by connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/145">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► everyone to their world via our information sharing distribution platform products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/151">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► and be one of the top revenue generating Internet companies in the world I know you read that before I'm reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/155">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► One just tells what it is because we've just been talking about this is of everyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► and some poor person is going to be losing the six months from now I have no idea we're talking about this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► recently unveiled Twitter strategy statement at first everyone thought it was a mission statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► It was later corrected to be a strategy statement in some kind of it was unveiled in some kind of investor presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► that they held today. Yeah my favorite part is platform products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/180">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► Yeah that's where you stop being able to parse the sentence and you're like they're missing punctuation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/186">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► or I mean the whole thing is it is a tremendous run on sentence that really could benefit from some commas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/193">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► You can tell they don't even write it like they don't write very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► They don't this doesn't even fit in a tweet as many people pointed out as either a mission or a strategy statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/201">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► and it doesn't finish try to get the worse especially the bombs erev rav No I just made fun of like I am putting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► in there just seems crass and putting revenue instead of product just seems dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► but the best part is it's one of the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► Like they're not even going to say number one they're not going to say that exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► but is want to be a contender for money moving through our organization really we're not going to say we're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/226">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► number one like you know ever make fun of Google Don't be evil thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► or whatever their whatever their their mission statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/236">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Like indexing all the world's information or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► And Microsoft's of the old you know a computer on every desk running Microsoft software like those are simple easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/243">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► understand the goals of the don't like don't say we really want to share price to be high. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/251">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► Our goal is often is worth so much and they can retire in five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► and buy an island like you might want to put that in your mission statement and sell it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/261">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► Sharing that his company's mission statement at one point included revenue per employee. Wow that's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/265">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► You just got the same Ingelow it's it's terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► It's like it's almost like it's so you can think that but don't don't write it down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/277">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► And but really you should be me thinking that like you know when Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and Google both have more noble more integration or mission statement I think you do it you're not doing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/287">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► when what the shows like it's obviously like this. This is a sentence designed by so much Committee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/293">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► There's all this like there's all these clauses that are bolted on that they don't really need to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/300">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► and they reflect like every like every department had a bolt on or the leadership couldn't decide what to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/306">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► All of which is funny because that all kind of seems to reflect Twitter's you know kind of wacky weak leadership that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/314">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► you know Twitter has has always had leadership issues from the founders coming kind of in and out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/321">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► and different you know C.E.O.'s coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► and out like they've always had really seemingly unstable leadership mean Dick Costolo I think has been there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► People have been like him near the top but it's always kind of been all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► and what they what they have what the sentence is is a very clear indicator to the outside world that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/340">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► still have struggles up at the very top with you know getting you know what the direction of the company might even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/347">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► or who gets to get recognized or whatever. It's a little thing is this is not like you know a major. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Or anything but it's an indicator of the kind of sloppy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/360">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► Possibly out of touch possibly you know shot in the dark kind of leadership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► but they have I mean look at like I would reach the largest daily audience in the world you could end it right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/370">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► It's still a little weird although even that is like doing a reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► when you reach them what have you done like if you're not you know I mean like the Google thing like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/382">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► whatever they're doing index in the world's information like they're taking all the information the world they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► and make it accessible in a way like they're doing a useful thing they're saying is information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/393">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► We Google have this massive ambition that I always measurable take it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► and we'll make it so that you can do something useful with it right that is a mental thing even the next clause is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► pretty good. Connect everyone to their world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► That's that alone doesn't say a lot but it's better than better than the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/410">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► and of course the envy one of the top original Internet companies in the world OK you know if you if that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► But like this if if anybody with with editing permission got ahold of this it probably would've been better to just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/421">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► connect everyone to their world like that's it that's all you need to say out of this entire like sixty five word sends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/430">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► it's awful but even that is just like really weak. It doesn't it doesn't seem like they know what it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/436">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► If it would've been a more fun meeting the same people who came up with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► and say What do you think Twitter is doing now what they do why do people use Twitter for like Twitter is a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► exists. Right you guys run the company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► So can you describe like what it is that Twitter is right now like now what you want to be now what you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/455">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► company to be not when your mission is but like right now there is something called Twitter and people use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► and try to describe that nothing they could because I don't think that Twitter users I don't think they understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► value that Twitter has that would have been a more instructive exercise for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/468">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► Yeah I would be shocked if most of Twitter's top leadership really used Twitter. Very heavily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/473">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and I keep coming back to what you were saying earlier Marco that this is definitely designed by committee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/482">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► This is this what is not a mission saying on what we call it strategy same a strategy statement Thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/486">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► The strategy statement seems like the text based equivalent of like websites carrousel you know what I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/491">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► where you know there are ten different groups that all are convinced that they should be the hero image on this website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/499">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► and what ends up happening is nobody wants to make a tough decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and so they just say asked screw it will put on a rotating carousel now will be good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► This is like the text version of that just like you were saying everyone you get three words a piece of wood just mash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► them together in some way that vaguely resembles English so that so that I don't you know do some follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/521">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► There was one of those one of the thing I was trying to think of over the Twitter thing and I totally lost my mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► Maybe to come back to me later maybe this tragic statement not that your brain problem definitely did although I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/536">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► proud of myself that I remembered the motivational poster word for word without without looking it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/542">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► All right so let's talk about App Store not allowing purchase bundles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/549">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► Yeah I don't have an example of that last time I still have an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► but I think the same person contact man who sent an original thing sent us a screenshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► and the weird thing about the screen shot if you take a look at it is it just gets rid of the purchase button I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/563">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► it's not a big screen shots cropped so I can't say but those who have no purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► but he's got a big red arrow saying this is where the purchase button would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► and if you didn't include another shot showing the purchase button like that it would be there I wouldn't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► what there was point it was a basically a summon some of the bonus but it was good I got to the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► and let you buy it for more than it would cost to just buy the one after missing but it's kind of weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/585">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► Maybe somewhere else on a page it tells you why there's no purchase button like bug fix by display none like me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/590">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► The a button that says here's the problem would you put in the bun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► You can't buy this because it would cost you more than buying the individual does not fit in a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► and one tritone German right does not like going to work out I don't know another mass anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/609">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► but it throw them in there or put in the show not. I'm still honestly trying to figure out why Apple made bundles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/616">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► You know obviously it was not for a great price hacks that's that's obviously not the intent here otherwise it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/623">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► work better for that. I really wonder what like it seems to only benefit. Obviously it only benefits paid apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/628">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► I don't think purchases can contribute and any possible way to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► and Apple usually doesn't do anything to help aid apps because most of the apps that actually get them literally aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/640">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► and most of the money in the App Store does not come from paid apps anymore I think the numbers are something like ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/648">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► percent or something of the money comes from paid out of some kind of very low number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► but most of the reports that try to measure it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► So I wonder what what was the goal here was it some kind of weird like you know serve certain game companies kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/658">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► As a sales tool like it's so it's yet another thing that we can do to make software cheaper if you think of it in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► So there are some apps that are paid and it's like well we can't make those people make their apps free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/676">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► but maybe we can make it so that the cost of those apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► and less by letting people bundle them up so that people who are going to buy these three apps anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/683">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► Now you can buy a dress for less money that you know is risk with lowering the purchase price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► or all sorts of sale tactics obviously free is magic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/691">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► But people like lower prices as well but so the price of angel if you ask and striven down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► but this is a tool to say if you make a suite of applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and people are going to buy them individually for you know two ninety nine each of us is too much money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/703">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► So put them all into a bundle together for five bucks you know for Fortune one you don't ask me about over five bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► and then you basically once again found a way to lower the price of software for customers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/715">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► That's what I guess I think that's Apple's big thing is like they want software to be cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► and if if there are some applications that are not cheap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/727">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► and it's good you know it's a win win for the developer to this you have multiple absolutely having troubles on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► individually what if we gave you a to sell them together for a lower price that would save the consumer money anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/736">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► who was going to buy both those ads anyway saves money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► and you maybe make a sale where you wouldn't before because before the you know it's perceived as a bargain is the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/744">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► reason you know everything is on sale all the time at the big department stores that still exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► It seems it just seems like Apple is doing something pretty we done it here like it if they're trying to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/755">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► price that paid software sells for they can just do that by inaction like because everything else about the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/762">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► encourages price to go down to free people love bundles lower back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► when I was a bookstore a place we had many different kinds of bundles and they were a popular thing to have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/774">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► We like making them people like buying them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► It's you know I'm surprised more electronic store I mean I guess they kind of do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/784">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► Does the i Tunes started that when you complete this album as though it's just straight math or do you get a bargain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► I believe in a straight math but I'm not I'm not a one percenter on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/795">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► And bundles and something free slogan they can have that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Yeah I mean how about I work as I work speaking of of bundles and cheaper software so John Jeev not John River Road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/802">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► and just to comment on what I said about I work about how having a mediocre to crappy office type program doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/810">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► Apple hardware more valuable doesn't help Apple sell hardware in the way that i Life used to back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► when I was really good. I work has never been really good it doesn't really help sell Macs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/823">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► If anything maybe just neutral and John G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► Says that he thinks that they're all defensive strategies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► and sure the companies don't get squeezed out he says what if the surface six generation is amazingly caught up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/834">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► At Office free Apple make it squeezed out so basically by having having its own office we do not beholden to Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/840">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and they won't be afraid that whatever their platform is i Pad or whatever become less viable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/847">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► Microsoft suddenly decides they don't want to offer Office for first of all the odds at this point of Microsoft not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/853">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► offering office virus in very low since I can sell seems very gung ho on cross-platform these days Second of all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/859">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► wasn't on I was a really long time didn't seem to hurt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► but the biggest counterargument to this idea that Apple needs to make an office suite so they don't get squeezed out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/869">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► someday having office taken away or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/877">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► Is that Apple having a mediocre office suite subsidized by hardware profits makes it way harder for third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/880">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► developers to make a living selling office type applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/887">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and I think it's free now right all the time comes comes a new devices any way you can just download the around America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► right. That makes it really hard for anybody else to try to make office style applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/897">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Microsoft can because they're subsidized over never is making them money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► and I think they just made office Ryo a spear something like that. But mostly sort of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/905">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► Yeah I know it was confusing with the three sixty five it's given that it's mostly free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/911">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► Yeah but if Apple is really concerned about making its platform and not too reliant on office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/916">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► or any other particular type of thing the best thing it could do is foster a thriving market for office type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/922">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► applications and by making putting tons of money and I work in and giving away giving it away for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► or at the very least as it was before below cost that makes it impossible for you to have a thriving ecosystem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/934">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► applications you're basically guaranteeing it's only just you vs office so I think rather than I work being neutral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/940">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► it's actually in terms of the fear of being squeezed out is actually a negative because there they are making sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/947">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► no one else will ever try to make a suite of office applications because you know while Microsoft Plus Apple are both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/953">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Sure that no one else is going to try to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/960">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► and so we're at the mercy of Microsoft which so far as I'm been that great and I work which also starred in that great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/961">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► How about the Ryan Mack G.P.U. Being throttled. Is that a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► I think it is a thing at least for people who are interested in playing games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► and windows a lot of people sent me this link to MacRumors storm thread about IMAX five K. G.B.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/976">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► Throttling and start over someone who was doing some gaming benchmarks in Windows and boot camp and back five K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/982">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Would start throttling way below the temperature is supposed to so like recording this person he thinks that the G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/994">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Will start throwing one hundred five degrees celcius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► and Stead started throbbing like seconds after it started to be used in the nose of the star throwing like seventy re [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► Celsius. So that's not good but I could just be bad Windows drivers and lots of people north of this thread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► Talk about veto. Well they better than drivers who come out in this will be a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► But then other people later in the thread said it's not just Windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► I can run a game in my mac and it's really easy to get the G.P.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► Up to one hundred five degrees celcius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and people don't know what self is as that's really hot one hundred degrees Celsius is a boiling point of water right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► Yes Yes You know the Americans confidently say yes yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► Celsius Anyway the point is that really hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► and a lot of people in the thread are concerned that this is near the thermal limits of the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► It's going to shorten the life of the G.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Use it on the people in the thread so I don't think Apple would have tested this with temperatures that other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► come back with a look at all these historic G.P.U. Failures Apple portable machines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► So at the very least this is not encouraging. If you're planning on gaming and IMAX. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► Temperatures aside if you're not worried about the particular temperatures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► or maybe it's the way to measure because it's peak temperature instead of at the edge of the die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► or were never I think the more important point. As in is a like building the show it's gaining benchmarks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► So ignore temperatures ignore tempers entirely ignore the longevity of your G.P.U. Whatever that may or may not be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► If you look at gaming benchmarks like this benefits thing that of the new fanciest five K. IMAX versus the lesser G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► Vs the old US non retina time at the top of the line of Mike you can buy is not even the fastest imac ever made in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► depending on your game and when it does a win doesn't win by a large margin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► So these benchmarks are kind of depressing from game is the padding of arms is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► but you would expect you know this to be a next generation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► I'm back with an entirely different expected to do better than the previous generation G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► but it's not a really convincing win in a couple benchmarks it actually is a little bit slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and so regardless of throttling that's not great either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► So kind of not over say a mixed bag with a lot of unknowns right now for the five K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► I am Act I don't know much about the temperature stuff I can't really tell this is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► or not although people running similar benchmarks against their old IMAX are getting way lower temperatures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► and you can't tell like that because the sensor is showing at a temperature different location what is the reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► Is it OK for it to be showing a measurement of one hundred five degrees Celcius all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► The throttling window seems like a driver issue it like it shouldn't be throttling at seventy three Celsius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► and so that's really killing Windows gaming performance there. So I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Anyway depressing thread for anyone who is looking forward to gaming on their five K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► I think you're right on that is disappointing if it doesn't affect me or my priorities at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► but the disappointing for whatever it's worth I have been running the the ice that menus fan monitor just just so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► could get an idea of like you know when. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► And spins up under what temperatures and what kind of wood just we're going to some idea of how this computer behaves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► Right now it's letting the C.P.U. Is idle at about one hundred thirty Fahrenheit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► I don't have this in Celsius mode Sorry you'll have to do your own translations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► but see pewter I only have one hundred thirty years idle at about one hundred one years and here doing not much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► I noticed that the fan will only spin up on the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► Watts is one fan a whole system but the family's been up when the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► Temperature reaches about one ninety Fahrenheit so it's getting very close to that hundred Celsius number before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► It doesn't it doesn't have across two hundred so it's keeping it right below it over the years like ninety five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► Is right below that under full load but it's not it's not being up at all until then whatever that's worth anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► but yeah I have found so far in my kind of use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► I'm actually extremely happy the more use the machine the happier I am with it it is really really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► I mean it's like even like I mentioned last week the fan noise under full load. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► I did the one test with a full load fan noise and I didn't load up like that for a few days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► and like the memory of it got louder in my mind over the future and not like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► when I ran a handbrake conversion the other day for a totally legal movie file that I totally legal podcast friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► mine got me for a totally legal B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► Car show when I ran a handbrake transcoder that file to make it on my totally legal Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► I I was messing up the sea views again and the fan was way quieter than I and I imagine it like it is loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► It is it is like a laptop stand in that when it spins to full speed you will hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► but it is I would say it's a little quieter than a fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► and threaten my profession after all it's a similar kind of noise a little quieter still noticeable still audible still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► knowing if it's always that way out but either way I would say this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► The computer that is really great if you're not loading up to full blast every day constantly you know if a full blast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► on the C. Fuse or G P U's is an occasional thing then that's great and I want be a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► You know that's a concern about this for gaming is with people who game like spend just hours with everything going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► full tilt right and that I would be concerned if you doing a first person shooter just just hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► and hours a day for months and months on end and people are saying about the old time act problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► and other things that it doesn't it doesn't kill it right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► but like by the time you're Apple Care runs out if you bought like a couple extra years of Apple Care just around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► point just from the constant constant running at a very high temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► and what they're saying of the shortens life of the components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and if the gaming conformance was like this where it's like mostly faster than the previous Toppan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► but not really by much and a few benchmarks is a little bit under you know like OK if it was like also lower power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► but it's like it seems almost like a downgrade whereas the previous one got similar benchmark numbers running it at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► lower indicated temperature according to whatever the sensors are gives the feeling that one of my one of my doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► the stuff or more more recall more of the RAM I guess because I don't think of them at four gigs but it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► This doesn't look like a good G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► Upgrade from the previous one it's more kind of like a lateral movement best right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► and this is I mean I continue to believe you know like if you if you're looking at the MAC line up with the goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► playing games like playing you know high end games a lot I think you're going to be sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► And there's there's not a lot of you know of greatness that like a best case scenario is you buy a MacPro which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► spending a lot of money for a video card that actually isn't very good at gaming like they can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► but it's like you're not getting your money's worth on the video card because that's not really what you're paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► you know paying for gaming ability on the macros. You know five thousand dollars purchase price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► So really I continue to say that. Your best choice if you want to play P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► Games is to either settle for a game console or build a gaming P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► Because it's a high council of modern equipment for P.C. Games people won't buy P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► Games in a keyboard no mouse right. So then build a gaming P.C. It's it's like you can build a great gaming P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► For twelve hundred bucks. I wouldn't call it great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► Well better if you want to match the current mac pro with its with its best video card option. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► I bet you could build a gaming P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► That that has roughly similar game performance of that for a total of five my head I would say fifteen or less. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► Now you're going to want to have a performance I already say a great P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► Like the reason people buy a Macas they're not just interested in what is the frame rate for amount of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► I got easily they were just taking you under there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► but what you're looking for from a mac is like the whole package you want it nice and elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► and not of extraneous stuff in your shirt all work together and you know how to worry about driver issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► Looks nice and in the case of the proto quietened is cool and interesting and all that stuff you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► So macro is still the best gaming mac which is sad because it's got like you said or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► Not a great video card for gaming. You just pay from the amount of money for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/1506">TS</a>]
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00:36:57 ◼ ► I can really reveal the details but they're not that exciting like I asked around for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2217">TS</a>]
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00:37:19 ◼ ► Why did you buy it was it a recommended thing did it come as part of the program all that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2239">TS</a>]
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00:37:30 ◼ ► I wanted to test on real car play hardware before I released it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2250">TS</a>]
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00:37:39 ◼ ► and I bought a cheap twelve volt power supply on Amazon for twenty bucks and I brought it home plugged it in tested it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► Does your car support Power Point any your correspondent know well so you can actually use the car wasn't as a matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2265">TS</a>]
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00:37:55 ◼ ► but you don't even have anything we can use so this is a feature you're not even going to use yourself the only way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Or ever going to use it on your desk in front of a screen. Correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► I did it because the effort to reward ratio I thought was worth it it's very it was very low effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► You know it was it was a lot of you know asking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► But that's like you know you send an e-mail every few months I mean it was nothing of a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► But then the actual implementation of it is very very simple because Car Play apps are limited the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► Is that you use as a Card Play app are public you can go see them right now it's the M P. Playable content manager. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► I think that's the car play P I for third party audio apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► So you know and the Apple program simply gets you approved to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► and to to be integrated properly with with the crappy receivers like to appear on their homes you know everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► the interface that your app has to Car Play is very very simple. If you look at the M.P. Content or M.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► Playable countermeasure thing that's it like that is you basically provide a hierarchical menu like the old i Pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► where you have like items and you click on the item into there right now you're at this level of the tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and one of the items for this level of the tree in is this one playable or not it is a popular man you liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► and that's that's about it. It's very very simple. So because of that it's actually very easy to test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► I don't I don't I don't feel the need to be in this myself full time to really to really make sure it's working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► properly I think it's kind of a contest only occasionally and it works just fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► That's about it and I don't I don't know how many car play compatible vehicles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► and head units are out there yet I have no idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► I'm sure it's on a huge number but it was it was relatively easy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► and for the people who do have it it matters quite a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► and I was I was you know one of the reasons why I kept asking Apple about this is because you know I was interested from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► but whenever the car play stuff first becoming available to customers I think it was like two months ago a few months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► but ever since that point I've had people ask people ask me on Twitter almost every day hey why do you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► More car play like the handful of people who have Car Play radios. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► Apparently a big portion of these overcast and we're very upset I wasn't supported properly on there yet so get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► So it it matters a lot to a small number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► and it was very easy to do so that's why I have forgotten so much about car players require you to connect with a wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► still or can you are listening. I believe it's wired only that I mean the radio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► I sat on it much about the radio I got which is the pioneer app Radio four which is now it's called the aberrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► before in so many places except the box or any part of pioneer website where it's called the F P H D A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► One twenty you know this is great consumer electronics stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► People keep asking me if I recommend that when the answer is I have no idea. I literally only use it for this purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► I find most third party car radios to be pretty tacky and and kind of overly happy with things like blue menus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► This is no exception. So I'm I'm just not a good person to ask about that. So I have no idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► I cannot I am because I'm not using it in a car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► I can't tell you about things like the utility of the other functions like don't do that a U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► Connector here is connecting an apple like U.S.B. Lighting thing in it and that's all there is to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► That's exactly right and for the car play thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► Could you have basically implemented all this functionality before getting approval from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► and like is the thing you got from Apple simply permission to upload an app to the App Store that they won't reject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► Yes Yes And I did in fact I wrote this code months ago when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► when a car play be in fact this code was in overcast one point it just was inactive because at the time it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► when the when the M.P. Playable Content Manager A.P.I. First came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► Card Play wasn't I don't think it was officially announced early it was announced in the same event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► but the documentation of that now says this is for car play.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► Didn't I didn't explain it it just said this is for like certain types of A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► and everything so I thought I wonder if their likes like a special like made for i Pod receiver where like if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► like a home theater receiver that can display this hierarchical menu I'm creating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► So I thought there was going to be something else out there besides car play that could show this maybe in homes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► or ever. So I thought maybe I should get an eye on that and make make sure that I work properly on those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► So I wrote this code months ago and had no way to test it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► No hardware that would actually interact with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and nothing I couldn't find any information on it so I guess I basically commented out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► I just didn't instantiate the class it manages this in my code in versions one point three one point four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► Well OK I really thought I was going to be a lot more drama there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► You think about it you would think that if Apple was really interested in getting Like why was it why would it be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Because of you know I don't think it would be just as easy to join the car plaything as it is to operate out of the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► Store like the App Store is successful because hey anybody with a couple bucks kin sign up as a developer write an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► with our free tools and upload it and now you're on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► and there you go over his car play seems like a much harder system to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► and doesn't make any sense of Apple's interested in carpooling becoming a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► but maybe not maybe just like the version one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► or they're not that interested in getting too many people to fiddle with it I don't know the problem with car stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► there's major concerns with safety and driver distraction and secondarily There's also a lot of laws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► and the laws vary in different countries and sometimes even different states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► but the laws vary on like you know what what kind of interaction is legal to provide to a driver while the car's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► motion whether you like animations and you kind of moving content is permitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► or not permitted in certain contexts certain places all these there are so many regulations for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and just simply just concerns for safety because it's you know this is pretty serious stuff like you don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I have somebody like simulating Angry Birds in the dashboard display by like changing your item artwork every half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► second or whatever it's like crazy ways that these kind of systems could be abused. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► Certainly app review could probably catch a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► but I don't know how much our preview is testing car play I can understand of Apple wants to be cautious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► Likely I can understand why this might not be open to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► and so so seems kind of weird to me like like you said that's the whole point of Apur a view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► and if they're not you know if ever a view is the bottleneck like what was the point to you know if this is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► that they want to happen they should be paying more money for more people to review more carefully like you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► there are medical applications in the App Store somehow that seems OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► but I don't I just it's not a formula for success survival really says like you know if Karpal I had to make a strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► statement and it was like car play in every car in the world by you know by ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► and I were never like that's obviously not what they're going for it just seems like they are it seems like a hobby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► Used to be like we have a car solution is a thing since Ferrari's I guess and also Honda's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► but we're not that into it you know because there is value for there is that sort of adversarial sort of standoffish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► relationship with the car makers themselves trying to sort out how are we going to arrive at current theories that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► As we discussed at length on a drill right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and also like you know similar to like all the concerns that you know that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► or AT makers should have about liability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► and safety problems the car makers have their own concerns too like if you're driving a B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► Using Angry Birds simulated in car play are orc and you crash so many people are upset about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► and it's so many people's problem. You know it's obviously your problem in a lot of ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► Your family might have to deal with things. It's Apple's problem it's the apps problem it's B M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Use problem like the bad P.R. and Lawsuit and everything can fly out of different directions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► Everyone has to has to really cover their own butts here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► and I really can't blame anybody in this situation from for being overly cautious because it is something that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► Than someone who thinks her covered or like the screens they come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► when I start my car that are press OK to agree that you shouldn't look at the screen when you're driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► and if you do that and the screen goes away and don't you don't actually have to present it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► but like Google like one screen you type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► or just it's it's meaningless nobody reads it it just becomes a constant annoyance this is actually what one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► things that makes one of the many things that maybe like driving a car the noise like the past covering messages that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► you're just going to see for the entire life of the car they will have no effect on how you use the car and noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► and probably no effect legally speaking because I get absolved anybody from you know anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► Yet my car shows me a license agreement with time I started that so bad press it press agreed to drive. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► Better news is we're also sponsored this week once again by our friends at hover not hover not Hoover not hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2830">TS</a>]
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00:47:32 ◼ ► Seed so good to have an offer code Casey needs a nap for ten percent off your first purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► and hover hover is a domain registrar that doesn't suck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► You have a great idea you want secure them a name for it you want to make catchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► and memorable to represent your project or idea or yourself or your story or our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► or your jokes like Casey needs coffee whatever the whatever it is however gives you exactly what you need to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► job done. You can find a pervert demanding yes or no. I don't know about you guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► When I have a new idea for a project if I don't have a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and if I don't have the domain name bought Lee I can start working on it blocks me from working on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► It's I know it sounds stupid but like the name of a project is very important to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► and I always think about first I try to get that nailed down first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► If you are like that hover is your friend if you're not like that I will be your friend later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2899">TS</a>]
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00:48:28 ◼ ► It's made for people who want no B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► but It's also very friendly for people who are like they have this amazing support they have telephone support even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► and talk to a real life person immediately there's this awesome no hold no wait no transfer phone support policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2918">TS</a>]
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00:48:53 ◼ ► It comes with a whole bunch of stuff for free like Demain privacy there's no extra charge or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► And people you know there's a reason why we all love her why we all use however I mean the Fed has to say all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► they're also just really good. Anyway however you do use powerful tools to manage a domain name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2943">TS</a>]
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00:49:12 ◼ ► If you needed him a name just go there next they have a great search they have like those like word generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► algorithms so like if you if what you search for is not available anywhere then they'll suggest different rewordings of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► it or synonyms or modifications that are available it's pretty it's pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► So I was asking a lot of attempts this kind of word tricks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► However I think does it best to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► and I have tried this before other sites hovers weird word trick thing works better than the other ones I've tried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2974">TS</a>]
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00:49:54 ◼ ► All right so today was somewhat unexpectedly at least for me big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► They in my world because Microsoft has an open sourced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► or has said they're going to open source a considerable fortune dot net and not only open source it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► but bring it to be cross-platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► And this is to me a pretty darn big deal and it's probably not going to change my day to day life very much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► But it's a very interesting statement from a company that very much didn't believe that there were platforms other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► And so what they did today is they said they're going to open source a few additional components of dot net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and the best write up I found in a few minutes I had a look at this was by Miguel de cause I hope I pronounce that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► right he is the head and I believe founder of the Mano project which is a project to take dot net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► And what they were doing was what's the term for when you don't look at any sort of source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► and you don't reverse compile or anything like that you just seen room for us and they're going room whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► So they were doing a clean room version of dot net and then over time as Microsoft is open source a little bit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► and there they would incorporate those as licensing would permit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► Well we'll put a link to the gals post in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► and there are three things that are being open source a Dot Net Framework libraries Stardock or framework libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► and the right you git which sounds like a duke in to me but anyway V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► and So the framework class libraries is basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► So if you think of dot net as both a series of languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► and then the the class library that it that these languages sit on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► or I guess maybe vice versa for them to release the Dot Net Framework classes. That's a really big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► And so if you want to see how all of this all of Dot Net all of the foundational stuff in Dot Net is implemented you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3112">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► And so that they they're open sourcing going from a class library Stanek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► or which as Miguel says the Donna Corps a redesigned version of dot net that is based on the simplified version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► quest libraries as well as a design that allows for Dot Net to be incorporated into applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► and this should sound a lot like and I'm going to get the is a clanger L Z M That's that's leveraged within X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► Code not just for compilation but for just in time stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► Not quite I think it's just that the underlying library of good power both the client compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► and exco don't know what you call the library someone probably knows now it's right the point is you can build you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► tools that leverage the compiler not like in like an ID for example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► So anyway so all this stuff is going to show up and get hurt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► I was poking around get home earlier tonight and not all of it's there yet but it's certainly going to arrive there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► and there's also a good post on the official Microsoft log post about all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and it talks about how it's kind of almost an F.A.Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► You know why don't we open source tonic or why are we doing it on get her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► and one of the things they said was in this is from a blog post as a principle we don't want to ask the community to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► Instead we want to go to where the community already is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► and so they're going to get hub all of this stuff is going to show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► and it's it's funny because on the one side from my day to day like I said earlier I don't think it's going to change a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► darn thing except maybe I could use dot net on a West Ham and without using mana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► but I mean whatever I don't really think know why I would want to do that but I think it's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► It indicates a pretty big shift in Microsoft away from the windows is everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► and there's nothing else in the world mentality and that's what I think I'm most amped up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► but what does this make possible that wasn't possible before because Monaco is already cross-platform sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3231">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Well now I can use you know stay sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► and Dot Net to write applications that run on platforms of them I know you already kind of could with nano work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► and I don't quite understand all of them. You know other than very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► All those things that Moto had to you know exam or had a clean room reverse engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► and reimplement that now they don't have to anymore they're going to take the actual source and incorporated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► But does this make anything new possible that wasn't possible before or feasible like it was possible before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► but you'd be worried about how supported it was an hour I saw said it's going to be officially supported that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► Internet on the head it's that it's no longer third party it's not first party and you go back to me else blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► and I'm quoting now We have a product under way that actually let me back up I'm sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► Model will be able to use as much as it wants from this project we have a project underway that already does this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► We are replacing chunks of mano code that was either incomplete buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► or not as fully featured as it should be with Microsoft's code so it certainly will improve mottos robustness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► reliability decrease in bugs etc But on the surface I agree with you John that it doesn't really necessarily enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► anything that wasn't there already the only thing I can think of that might be a bit different is I haven't looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► closely at monomers Amarin in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► but if you wanted to hypothetically run an ASP NET web site on something other than I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► I would assume that as part of this open sourcing of among other things a subpoena that you could do that on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► or something like that without necessarily having to leverage mano I think Moto has done this at least in part in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► past but certainly it should be easier now or well in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► Yeah that was last night's question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► but like not included in this rating incorrectly is any of the sort of the GUI libraries that you use to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► applications for Windows. Right windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Forms I've not seen any mention of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► and so I believe you are correct that this is all kind of faithful service I stuff some for the service I stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► world start so I can you know ASP NET is here if I can build something I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► and you build various be done at the like I don't know what the guy looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► but I don't understand the deployment outside of I do you just build like a library that gets loaded I don't I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► idea I've never done anything involving dot net inside Apache. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► Well that's the thing and I'm not sure either but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► but the theory is is that there's nothing stopping you from writing some sort of glue between Apache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► and the ASP NET deal Els or whatever output that comes from that you know Horatio Boston [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► and Jerome says that one new thing is possible is that you could use Visual Studio to build something that doesn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► on Windows you can build an executable that runs on our tent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► That's the thing with this kind of like you know if you want to use X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► Code you have to use a macro if you do if you want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► I think that's still the case for all these open source components like can you can use anything other than Visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► Studio or does Amarin stuff to build this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► and you just like a mac command line thing it is run like you've got to be I guess right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► but there are open sourcing I believe there are open sourcing Rosalyn which is their compiler stuff there already did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► but I don't like I was wondering if like practically speaking does that mean that you can get a command prompt in a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► and start compiling source code on your mac that runs on your macro did you need to basically do you need Windows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► need Visual Studio Visual Studio the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► and that's what you need to compile the stuff I don't know how far people have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► and taken the open source compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► and trying to make it so that you could actually do development of faceless non gooey applications on the DOD that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► stack using only a mac and not having a Windows machine anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► and I was far as I know the only mac native compiler binary that exists is Manas compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► but I mean you've got the entire source Rosalyn So in principle you could although it is self hosted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► Oh yeah I guess that is a little weird you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► That would work but I'm sure someone is or has done it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► but this is interesting it's really an interesting move it's something that I didn't expect from Microsoft even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► this is sort of been going on for a while now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► It took me a little bit by surprise that this much was going to get open source this quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► and the only somewhat crummy thing about it which I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► but they said publicly in one of these posts that this isn't about fur for a lot of the projects that they're open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► sourcing this isn't about asking for poll requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► and making a true community project it was more just saying hey if you want to fork it here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► but we are going to continue forward in our own way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► and that that's the way it's going to be is a hardening in the same way that Apple's recent sort of opening up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and doing things that previously they seem not interested in doing even extensions or third party you boards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► and i OS This is another thing that people have always wanted bikers up to do like take the core part of your stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and make it open source for the same reasons that kind of the same reasons that Apple has open source the core part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► and Everything over hopefully with better results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and that like the lower level stuff there's not much competitive advantage to keeping that closed source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► and there's a lot of advantage to people developing on your platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and to you as a platform maker to make it open source even if you don't get that much a benefit of other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► and it just makes it feel like it's a more it's a development environment you can see what's going on the fewer black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► boxes the better like you are debunking something it would be nice to be able to have the source code all the stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► here about you know I was here that's not the case on the Macin never has been is not the case I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► There's some parts of it open source that eventually get into cocoa and you like it get all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► and I bet that would be great if that was stupid like so the at the balancer of these these companies think they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► to balance what source do we keep close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► and what source to be opened UP because there's no advantage just keeping a close than Microsoft. I'm not surprise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► It's because things like Microsoft as long since realize that keeping the stuff like as people stop paying attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► you as you are no longer the the big dog in the market and you're not by Microsoft they rule the entire P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► Industry like they don't anymore like mobiles are important. Microsoft is not on mobile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► If you continue to act like you are the most important company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and you're never going to show your crown jewels it's making you less and less relevant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► If you want to bring people back to your camp you have to be more open. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► It's not a power play it's more of a realisation of the new shape of the market and I think it's helpful ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► and how that how will that affect your job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► Maybe you'll come across something where you have some bug and you can't figure out what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and it'll be useful to be able to step there in the debunker a bunch of bottom level dot net code stepping to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► source maybe you could've already done that anyway because I think your source was already available takers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► but it wasn't available in a way that was open source that could be integrated so I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► Microsoft is just hoping that people will build on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► and it will become a foundation for lots of other projects I mean the best thing that could happen to them is someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► finally takes this core stuff and build some great new thing on top of that because they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► and they couldn't before like you didn't want to deal that stuff that we need we need a language runtime then we need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► good compiler and we want to be able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► or develop it a nice idea we're going to use that as a jumping off point to build some bigger better thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► but I don't know what the odds of that happening are but they're nonzero now I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► So just for grins and giggles Let's say that Swift is not a thing. It's not even in progress. Would Apple have used C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► Sharp and or dot net to become what reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► Now Swift I think the answer is absolutely not because they want total control but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► But let's assume that well they get that they can have total control of this conveyer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► I think there's going to be pieces that are missing in the same way that she what is it that that is a door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► when you see open source open source projects. But Ma and am I getting that backwards not I'm thinking of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► You could build most of the West handle they just like the closed source drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► and I really like things for a DUI that is proprietary because a bunch of like legal stuff that's like they're hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► that stuff which is that any code that involves an ending that involves code that is owned by companies other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► Apple like you know video card makers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► or even like the bus drivers that aren't open source you can't build a seventy kernel from the open source because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► just stuff the sun included in there but for ownership like cage the mail was not owned by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► but they took it fork and ran with it whether it is on my babble you know I mean so they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► but I think that Apple would not adopt this open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► and I just because I know enough about the people involved in the process this is not what they want so it's not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► much that oh we will take in dot net If only it was open source there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► Swift is a different direction right Swift is not sure how a language runtime it is not garbage collection it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► know it is so many things that it's not so for that reason alone they wouldn't take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► but if the current set of people who make this is that Apple did not work at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► but a different set of people who did this would change the math on can we adopt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► NET suddenly become a lot more viable and then OK so I agree with you completely there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► Now what is his name Andy Rubin is just creating Android today. Android does not exist yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► Does he still use don't call it Java Java. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► They picked they picked something that was not owned by them at that time you know sort of invented by sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► and like they're in a legal fight with Oracle over the copywriting A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► Isn't even though they're using a different V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► That they wrote themselves like they already had the thing that they did end up taking Java that's not a clean then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► make a clean get away with that legally speaking. So I don't see how that is any worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► Their official strategy was just steal it. We'll worry about it later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► Yeah this feeling like I think it's in the hole can you cover it and they did. Excuse me just rip it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Off we'll worry about it we kind of like clean room reimplementation visit like we know like there's a specter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► public's back up there we're going to make our own V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► I'm I'm assuming they didn't use any source code from any of the Java Virtual Machines that is their own thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► does things in a different way it's all just of like oh well you implemented it all yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► and you roll your own source code but the A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► The functions the parameters the you know all that that's copyrighted so they basically did a cleaner implementation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► Java I don't know the details are like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► You can argue about what things got used where but I don't I don't like the idea of an A.P.I. Being published A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► Being copyrighted so I'm not going to blame Google for doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► but privately speaking No I don't see how dot net The current owners are stunned that could possibly be any worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► than the situation they're currently in with job so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► and I think it would be a better choice for them than job because they would have to do less work like they could take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► the virtual machine everything free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► and clear like it's an open source license that's not like we have to reimplement it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► So and I also like fish are better than Java so that you know well that's the thing is that C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► Sharp You know I've talked in the past to a handful of people about how C. Sharp really is good in most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► Most worldly developers in the Apple community at least appreciate it if not agree with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► But there's there's certainly some that are like oh God it's Microsoft I can't stand it now. And C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► Sharp really is a really really great really robust language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► and it's even though it tries to be in many ways all things to all people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► It actually does a pretty darn good job of it all in all and it's moving forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► but not at breakneck pace so it's moving forward in a way that's sustainable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► There's not bugs everywhere at least in any of the things that I touch in my day to day life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► It's a really robust language and as much as I don't have that much love for Microsoft I really do love C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► Sharp end and if I were to just flip the switch and becoming full time. I'm Objective C. or Swift developer tomorrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► There's certainly things about C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► Sharp that I would miss and there's a lot and I really think they got it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► and so I'm very curious to see does this change how C. Sharp is treated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► Not for me like oh it's good or Oh it's bad like you're saying earlier John is somebody going to take C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► Sharp and really run with it in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► Or I mean strictly speaking I guess you could do that with these well I mean dot net is more than just C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► but I'm not I'm curious to see what this brings I think it's unlikely because the sharpest kind of like this there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► C. Sharp is I think nicer than Java's because a got to learn the lessons of Java. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► Sure and so someone went first made a bunch of mistakes didn't make the same mistakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► and I think the shop has been developed steadily with a with a little bit more a little more singular vision let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► instead of the sort of committee design of Java it seems to be lurching forward and not quite as confident a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4014">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► but at this point both of those languages are of a vintage that people like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► I want to say people are more likely to build something and swiftness with a suddenly open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► but the kinds of projects that get built like the kind of applications seems like the C.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► Is most appropriate for as I would guess server side stuff and like the client side stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► but like I can imagine the Web The Next Web Kit a killer being implemented in C. Sharp on top of a dot net. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► Right but just because it seems like it's still there still this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► and we can't quite get away from it of like you're going to use C C plus plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► or one of these new breed of languages like swift that aims to be as fast as them to give you high level can means as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► and do something with garbage collection like server side is totally OK with it which is weird because every side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► like the performance is so demanding there in terms of you know a specific a specific performance profiles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4073">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► They're not quite the same thing as a GUI application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► But for I think of Linux and the open source people I don't see them latching on to see shoppers there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► Why I mean that there are the people who are going crazy with you to get everything so they still seem to be stuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► sort of a lower level mindset so I'm not sure maybe only one more generation of people to wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► and say I'm going to write a new great thing and I'm not going to do and see a plus plus or say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► when I was you see sharp it's like we need the infrastructure to be there for us me like every Linux distribution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► but with like a more officially supported like Microsoft blast stack that's in sync with my access code religious to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► Sharp as you develop one which then I think a lot of the reason that the Linux community hasn't embraced like mono for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► example is because they're such a bunch of neck beards that love scene see posts so damn much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► and Granted I haven't been a participant in the Linux community in seventy years some like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► but at the time it seemed like it was a it was all about having a barrier of entry and if you weren't like a god at C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► Plus plus then then you know what you're not good enough to be in our club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► and last I heard that hasn't really changed but again I haven't paid attention in almost a decade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know open source difficult because whenever I think of open source stuff I don't think of the GUI stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► you know there have been doing things based on every language you could possibly imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► or hold up to include like to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► or whatever you know it's not that people aren't doing this just not one unified face Hell there was the open step port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► or the hole as I called I don't know but it was someone someone ages ago going to step up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► or to the oldest of A.D.R.'s and that's like the what if some of it was available for a living. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► Boy that would change things whack it was practically available for Linux from her for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► but you know it wasn't it was a freshly sanctioned of a small group of ego making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► and it's not like people are clamoring to make applicants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► The most important things to come out of sort of the Linux open source community are things like cage T M L And you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► know earlier Apache and stuff like that like faceless applications written in low level languages those are OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► but as soon as you get into anything it's like just don't don't look to the Lex community friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► or file systems another example you know coming from the OF US Congress on B.T.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Facit like those things tend to come out of the open source world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► and so if they've got an empty shop want to help in that regard they can give some new tools to that crowd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► but it's not you don't see anything coming out of there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► It's like anything higher level than I can you think of like an exciting thing that is not faceless that has come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► of the open source slash Linux community in the last decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► or so that has made an impact on the wider world of computing wireshark audacity both nerdy tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► and also a nerd school. I want to get that's not that's faceless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► Yeah get need a million front end wanted to make it usable here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► and get should get is another way back ended facelessness is gross. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► Like even the get commands that use in the command line are themselves front ends to like five other commands under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► hood that are actually doing the thing you want to do it is not a great example of a user interface you know aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► application get get is exactly what you would expect from the creator of Linux making something complicated like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► version. Version control in history reversing into our already very complicated problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► Add to that the creator of Linux making the one that he wants to use to get is exactly what you'd expect that to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► on someone and someone just signing him that's the kind of server related you want to use for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► and I guess is like a lot of tools that are either web based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► or are have to do with testing things that have to do with the web that probably count maybe I don't know. P H P B B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4313">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► Of course a lot of regular tackle have I have interacted with that I mean them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► and has had more of an impact because they let you right I was right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► Like that whole that whole strategy of you can use those other stack to write things cross-platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► or you can you sort of shared core of an application and then you deploy I.I.S. and Also on other platforms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► Yeah that's right I looked it up I was Amarin back when I was MA No one want to touch one excuse me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► And at the time anyway it was it was exactly what I would have done if I was trying to write a cross platform set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► for IO Wes in so far as basically they just wrote glue classes where if you had I don't know you have U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► Activity view control or whatever it is in Objective C. You're going to have the exact same thing in C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► Sharp with basically the same A.P.I. Just you know trade things translated to be a little more friendly to C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► Sharp classes were just really heavily annotated with attributes and whatnot to describe what is supposed to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and so what that meant was and this is true I believe of monitoring or whatever it's called jammer and for Android now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► And so basically what that means is if you're going to write a cross-platform app you would presumably have the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► business logic across both I was an android and those same classes completely shared cetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► but the you would be pretty much compelled to have a user user interface specific for each platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► This is in contrast to something like a Phone Gap which is all javascript based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► and they try to make the user interface code generic amongst both platforms as well informed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► Does a reasonably good job given what it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► when you ask for I think it's mean one thing in a titanium Actually it doesn't matter one of the javascript ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► when you asked for tab are. You'll get a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Tabbara nihilists and it'll be at the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and if you ask for teh barn Android you'll get one of the Android equivalent is and it'll be on the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► but it's still trying to be all things to all people. Where is Amarin at the time anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Was not that way and you would have to definitely write separate user interfaces per platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► but you would share all your core logic in your sort of view as objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► and everything like that so I think that fish I've already probably done more to to bring them around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► and montage will have done more to bring Microsoft's tools to the water community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► and probably cumulated massive every effort that has come out of the Lex world parents is interesting I'm very curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► to see where it goes to be honest like I said I don't know that it will affect much unless somebody like John it fed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► embraces this to make some wonderful new thing but I don't so I was somewhat surprised to see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► and I'm excited to see what comes of it. Now before we move on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► Out of curiosity what do you guys use at work or in retirement for you Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► What do you use for version control if not get what you get for the same reason that a lot of people use get which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► and that if I want to use a lot of open source anything if I want to open source a library if I want to open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Generally speaking you need it is it is wise if you want to have any contributions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► or any interaction with with other developers it is wise to use good hub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► and therefore use get I don't know that there's a lot of areas of my life where I kind of pick like the they'll turn of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► and for every reason I didn't do that this time because there's a lot of downsides that approach a lot of times like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► when I bought the D.V.D. Plus R.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► Drive that was dumb but so many so many things that I thought it was good to have D.V.D. RAM then you're fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► I did not have D.V.D. RAM I don't know why there's a T.V. Remote due to ram is never popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► It's not like it was a sad day like it was never ever popular among anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► But regardless I did not buy almost I was tempted to buy a D.V.D. RAM because it's so much better for data integrity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► It actually is way better in so many ways for integrity but I resisted and instead bought D.V.D. Plus R.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► Back before they were combo drives which was very stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► Yeah to some I didn't go for the alternative team I went for the the big team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► and I just said let's root for the Yankees and it'll be easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and I made a sports metaphor I was about to say good is not the Yankees way still isn't up to date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and that I will never get was never the Yankees so what do you so worked on you know I guess I have a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► and for the club for the centralized version non distributed versions of them so not me here all night to get not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► I feel like the old school style a sort of C.V.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► Subversion style like perforce better than any of this other centralized ones I've used but I completely agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► So once like so the central of the decentralized ones come on the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► and they all work according to a paradigm that is totally foreign to perforce right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► and so we can't change you can't change it stripes can be like. Now I Am the Central. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► It's just not it's like everything about it you know it's baked in to the design a pervert is never going to be like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► or material or something but it feels a need to add weird sort of hearted marking features like the P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► For Shelvey crew that showed up a few years ago it's like just don't even try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► and so perverse does bother me every time I think about how much easier this will be one of the more modern version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► but now I go backwards into the old mindset it's you know it's it's my it's my favorite of an old outdated lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Yeah I use perforce of my very first job in this was two thousand and four and at the time I really liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► but obviously the world's moved on like you said so what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► If you were to do a personal project right now our forecast to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► or you know Hey John what would you like to use in the whole company will use that what would you what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► but I would hold my nose the whole time like one person in the Jeremy Apparently I've never heard people say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► get is a gross get is totally gross not in the functionality that it has but in the user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► and yes command line programs have a user interface and you get user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► when you design a program the user interface is sort of you have to build sort of the user model of how this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► You've got the model of how the internal guts of the market you have to run the user model and a set of vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► and verbs that expose the functionality that you've made possible of your application in a friendly way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► and it totally fails and that just totally failed the words they pick for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► and everything the options they use represent those words the whole big structure of the sub commands in the flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► and how they go to it in a different OS just terrible because a million web pages about it is the total user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► failure but you know that's the functionality is great and it's free and it's open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► and get help exist so there are many other things to reckon in and you know it comes out ahead in net net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► but that doesn't mean it's not gross. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► I mean if you know if you played with the merc serial which I cannot pronounce apparently because what it was is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► team that was on a tirade about the junkets though are still rocking the material I think he may have the more elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► trespass just like it's swimming against the tide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► Right because everything so much infrastructure and is built around getting people to expect you to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► and it's like every Carol had one it's like you know Betamax and ones that are V.H.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► but The bottom line is you know V.H.S. One and so here we are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► That's a better analogy than the Yankees I think it is Marco you tried that one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► and this is what you get on never try again in the chat room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► Some of them are going to try to pronounce me curios basically. It with fewer features a better U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► and A slower implementation speed is actually a concern speaking of operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and getting someone from the chairman correct means in thirty seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and as they hear this if I'm wrong scale linearly with the number of files which is fine if you have a smaller posit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► or a work we have a ridiculous gigantic repository that is way too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► and perforce is actually faster than get for doing common operations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► So I'm not that's not a slam against Get a slam against how we manage our code but that is something to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► and that's another reason the material is not a clean one over good and they have a nicer interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► and more well thought out sort of way that describes its functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► but good has a lot of developer time behind it and it has a lot of features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► and can do a lot of amazing things in a tool in the ecosystem built around good make it more valuable than mercurial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week mandrill Squarespace and hover and we will see you next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► Now to be an accidental accidental John and you are now getting access to that list and Michael. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4866">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► Because of the agreement that you have with analog. First of all how is your baby monitor doing this agreement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► I'm not caught up in analog is not a reason on life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► Basically Mike had said mostly jokingly that he is going to I don't think we've released this one yet this might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► one where he's proposing some kind of agreement between the two shows that that most of the feelings will go on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► show could most protect are going to go on our show. Denied. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► Yeah I think remember here now this is a nose ring a bell that's total bogus itself immediately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► Furthermore declare war against the baby monitors. Good. We basically have the same baby monitor the you have. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► But babies good. He's every day is a little different but it weighs I can't describe which is the oddest thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► He looks a little bit different kind of acts a little bit different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► And again I wish I could tell you a specific way in which that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► but it just everything is just a little bit different when you're that young I mean he's two weeks today actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► It is everything is expected in some ways to be different I get today we noticed actually here's an empirical exam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► or a specific example you notice that I think he's starting to be able to cry as and generate tears. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► Obviously he you know wails and moans on occasion sometimes often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► but I don't think he was able to generate tears until tonight we saw him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► and I think that's a tear I think that's a tear you know. So that's new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► But I mean all in all everything's fine still sleeping more than expected less than desired. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► But you know it's all good. So as some general advice Things change quickly and like like he. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5031">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► In in six months he's going to look different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► Second had to that he looked with a different get and he of course will act differently get more abilities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► What I would recommend is do this but like don't forget to take pictures and don't forget to take video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► I would suggest leaving your camera out like leave it on the coffee table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► or somewhere like on a kitchen counter we will leave it out so that taking a picture of him doesn't doesn't require set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► up like you can always just grab a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► and take the pictures you know make it make it very casual make it make it like an everyday easy thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► If you and again and don't forget to take videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► or fed to him a video is fine you know doesn't it matters less for video if I protect the title quality of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► but video it really captures captures time captures a moment a way that a lot of photos you know they can the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5092">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► just captures a whole dimension of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► And so like you know don't like don't go like six months of taking a video you know because because what you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► to see is going to look back in a year and be like oh my god I can't believe he used to look like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► or I don't I don't even remember that time when he was doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► It does change so quickly during the president's first the first two years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Now it's funny bring that up because friend of the show underscored David Smith actually came down this morning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► I had the morning off from work and so he came down to visit me Declan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► and I've had our fancy cameras basically sitting on our coffee table just not always so either Aaron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► or I can grab it and take a picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► And at one point and he allowed Aaron and I to hold Declan for a moment and I mean that a good way not a bad way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► And so all of a sudden I heard the Shutterfly going in the background because you know Dave's a nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► and he picked up the camera and started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Started taking a few pictures of the three of us which I actually that reminds me I haven't gone back to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and I'm sure they're gorgeous because he's a really good photographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► but it's because it was just sitting there because he knows that I don't I wouldn't mind him doing that in fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► You know he was able to take a few shots of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and I got to assume that at least one if not several of those are going to be really awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► Especially because it's not often that you have all of us all three of us in one shot because usually it's either me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► or Aaron taking the pictures so I hear you. You know those good moves by underscore that he's the best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► First of all are you going to have formal pictures taken on any sort of schedule and if so what is the schedule. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► I know your schedule so it depends on how you define formal We are taking pictures every week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► but I mean like if you have a professional photographer take them of all of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► We haven't really talked about it we didn't have professional shots taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► when we were at the hospital which if you'll permit me to go on a rant I can go on a rant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► but I don't know about others and that I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► and I haven't talked to him about this yet maybe like every year we might do it especially in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► when he still changing as you know all the time I don't necessarily feel like we need to do that every year forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► more but I don't remind me of that after I've done this for eighteen years straight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► And an issue as there and about as you have another discovery or she may have a different plan in mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► Well very much so. I mean who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► But well I mean I'm just happy that that we have friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► and family around that will take pictures of us with a decent camera and that we have a decent camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► but obviously there's something to be said for professional shots and so when we were in the hospital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► and this is going to make it in the really show because it's stupid but it pisses me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► when we were in the hospital you know the blessid hospital photographer company comes around to say Would you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► steak pictures and I knew this was coming because a co-worker of mine his wife does that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► But for a different company so if you're sure you don't take something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Here's And so they set up Declan in like Basically she took the end of Aaron's hospital bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► and like did some magic where she fluffed the sheets in such a way that it looked like a freaking like set like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► photography set and you know put put Declan in it and you know took pictures with Declan on a knee on a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► and on his back and then we were holding him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► and then there was one that's really adorable where that's just his feet with our wedding rings on him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► and so they were there only about ten or twenty shots that we got in the mail because of course we paid for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and blah blah blah and the thing that really bothered me was when the woman was in there the photographer was in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► She was she was really really nice and seem to be very good at what she does and she was using either a Canon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► I don't recall exactly what well I get these pictures in the mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► and among other things I got a CD with with the with the digital files on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► and these pictures that I got in the mail the file size of each of these pictures that came off a D.S.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► Are that mustn't have been more than a year or two old was one and a half mags last year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► You got it you definitely got the you know resized a peg out of something yeah that's anything they're selling you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► the hospital it's always it's like if you get into a theme park it takes. Oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► It's so true in that in the doubly annoying thing was just on principle not because it mattered but just on principle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► Pega hyper compressed I think it was like twenty five hundred pixels by fifteen hundred pixels or thereabouts right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► I mean you especially Marco should know how funny that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► But but not only that they deliberately stripped all the exit data do I need that X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► but the fact that some way during their whatever workflow they stripped out the excess data that's just insane to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5389">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► And so obviously it's been post processed in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► and so I wrote an extraordinarily angry yet mildly polite email to them saying Are you freaking kidding me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► You should be giving me raw files for the hundred fifty dollars I paid you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► But I would I would just be happy with the on any version of the J. Of the compressed you know the J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► I would really like a copy of those or my money back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and I got an extremely short email back from them saying to them no you actually it said basically we're shipping you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► something don't throw away that you can feel free to throw away the thing you already have when the new thing arrives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► But I don't know if that means that they're sending me a new CD with different files that they're sending me a CD with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5439">TS</a>]
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01:30:58 ◼ ► There's no chance at a hundred fifty dollars is expensive to get a digital versions of professional pictures taken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5458">TS</a>]
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01:32:42 ◼ ► and in again for the for the hospital pictures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5562">TS</a>]
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01:33:27 ◼ ► photographer can retain the copyright of the pictures that he or she takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► but can also grant you the rights to do whatever you want with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5611">TS</a>]
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01:33:38 ◼ ► It was not exactly clear what happened with the wedding photographer pictures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5618">TS</a>]
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01:34:25 ◼ ► shoot rather than charging a thousand dollars for the shoe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5665">TS</a>]
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01:34:45 ◼ ► and that's what tiff does that's that's been his I wish she should come in here and tell tell you this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5685">TS</a>]
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01:34:56 ◼ ► and gives people digital files because what most people want to do is like posting to Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► and going to their friends and stuff like no one gets prints anymore right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5700">TS</a>]
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01:35:45 ◼ ► spend hundreds of dollars for prints after the fact. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5745">TS</a>]
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01:36:00 ◼ ► He's definitely not a wedding photographer anymore some pretty sure I'm OK on the copyright because apparently he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► really making money from it anyway. Well five years after he dies you can do whatever you want with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5767">TS</a>]
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01:36:20 ◼ ► but it also strikes me as extremely peculiar that it is the year twenty fourteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► and I'm still waiting on a CD to get digital copies of pictures that were taken to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► and you probably paid quite a premium for that CD. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► Oh hell yeah it was and it was around one hundred fifty dollars and we did get a few prints out of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► But to your point a minute ago basically it was the CD is one hundred thirty dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5799">TS</a>]
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01:36:59 ◼ ► and for that for the twenty dollars and so we got like a humongous picture Declan That's like fifteen by ten inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5819">TS</a>]
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01:37:19 ◼ ► print crap like that and nobody wants it. Yeah I don't get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► Well don't forget to actually make prints though because you want to vary the integer you want the original files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5843">TS</a>]
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01:37:49 ◼ ► or something it's good to have like prints of your family and relatives houses. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5869">TS</a>]
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01:38:14 ◼ ► We just took pictures of it run a yearly schedule this point and we just took them one yesterday actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► and the CD they gave us for the first time was unreadable. So I was shame. Can you get like a replacement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5900">TS</a>]
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01:39:03 ◼ ► Who said we got that they put on a thumb drive for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► and gave us a CD so sign it if it started it started usually for like her bigger photo packages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5946">TS</a>]
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01:39:24 ◼ ► For most people's computers like it it is very possible if you make a CD for a photo client this year they might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5964">TS</a>]
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01:39:54 ◼ ► and immediately put them on this analogy not only because I was scared that eventually we weren't we wouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS-IV8s/5994">TS</a>]
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