248: Most Poetic Sledgehammer
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the incomparable number 248 may 2015
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welcome back everybody to the
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incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason
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smell in this episode we are reconvening
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at long last for another class from
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Professor siracusa who is going to tell
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us about anime and expand and expand our
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minds just as he did in an episode it's
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hard to believe two years ago when John
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assigned perfect blue and millennium
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actress to us he's back now with anime
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102 featuring ghost in the shell the
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film as well as the standalone complex
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hello professor siracusa how are you
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tonight you know this whole 101-102
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course progression thing I think we're
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finding out where your limit is and it's
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actually apparently had one halfway
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through a lot of course 102
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yeah this is a weed out courses as we've
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just experienced apparently i thought
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this was I knew this would be more
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challenging but I figured the Jason
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would at least make it into one or three
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but now I think Jason is not really his
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future as an army major is a maybe his
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future maybe in the past that's what is
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pretty much auditing this course so that
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voice that you heard as Tony said the
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I Jason and Erica and sign also is
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enrolled in this class
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well actually I had to test into it so
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I'm just hoping that you got to maybe
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credit that records you put you put
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toward this there's no way we can burn
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this metaphor down what I would say is I
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i anticipated as I did the last time
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being able to watch some of this while I
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was traveling on long airplane five
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flights but it's very difficult to watch
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anime on the airplane because of the
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yeah I I thought you're gonna say
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subtitles but that answer is also
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correct units in VR goggles maybe yeah
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whatever i watch this in the food court
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at the mall I didn't have any yahoo that
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I mean the mall that's pretty much lost
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cause anyway who's gonna judge you at
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the mall but I was trapped in the same
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you can get up and leave if you're
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embarrassed an airplane to you you can't
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do that so I idx
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we watch a big chunk of ghost in the
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shell on the plane and then I got to the
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part where at the end where that the
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shirt gets ripped off and I was like
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okay I'm just gonna watch the rest of
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yeah I didn't watch the movie at the
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mall yeah i watched i watch the movie
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and I i watched two episodes of the TV
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show that's that's that's when I managed
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so that's there you go professor
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you can grade me in getting a d-minus
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who out of 26 what is that you can pick
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not a good what he's talking about
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we're going for a low score right it's
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like golf it's not I mean it's like with
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assigned reading it's not about how much
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of the reading you did
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it's how many pages can you fill in the
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paper that's all that matters how many
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sparknotes yeah so so Jason if you can
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talk for an hour and a half about those
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two episodes you're good nope his
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margins are going to be really really
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yeah yeah yeah I i should have to him I
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should've bought the cliff notes i'm
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sure i could have done that but it's too
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late now shmoop shmoop we could get some
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scoop some sparknotes get them in their
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monarch notes and I would have us
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believe so John can you explain to us a
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little bit about why you selected this
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for anime 102 also ghost in the shell
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the movie is one of the sort of pillars
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of modern anime high and I think it's a
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a great jumping-off point for two
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reasons one because you want to like
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let's look at this classic that
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everybody talks about to the deuce is so
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influential on so many newish anime fans
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and i think it's interesting because I
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it is in my opinion not really overrated
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like it is correctly rated it's actually
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very very influential and also very good
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and I liked it because there was a TV
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series spin-off and that it provides an
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interesting contrast like you have this
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this a movie that's very popular and
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failure influential how do you turn that
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into a TV series what does that look
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or is it as successful as the movie in
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more ways it has to be different and
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they're both community called ghost in
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the shell and there was a bunch of other
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seasons the television series after that
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but just looking at this influential
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movie and this television series
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spin-off i think is really interesting
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and instructive and I wish you'd watch
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more TV series because this lot of good
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contrast there but even if you know you
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didn't i just the movie itself has a lot
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of stuff to dig into and
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the television series is mostly
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interesting i think in a format contrast
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and thematically covers all the same
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ground is there something about this
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franchise or the film in it specifically
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that made it that made it jump out as
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like compared to other anime that you
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could watch him you have this watch the
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satoshi kon stuff and obviously watched
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a lot of miyazaki which is a totally
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other thing what what you know it what
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makes the stand out from other things i
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think i think from our perspective it's
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just that we are in America and it was
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historically very difficult to get
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japanese animation and once company
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started figuring out that they could
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import this stuff and once it could be
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important to sort of illegally over the
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internet and everything that that it you
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know sort of the anime invasion it's not
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it's not as if like there's it's not as
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if this is you know the first or super
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new or anything like that because you
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know you gotta cure and stuff like that
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process because this this was sort of
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the tip of the spear of the mass
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invasion of anime into American culture
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for like mainstream I mean it's not
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entirely mainstream but it was it was
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more mainstream and it had been in the
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past and I mean and that was basically
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that's about marketing right i mean they
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should they decided this was going to be
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this kind of test case for trying to
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push it and i mean i remember in the
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late nineties you could this was you
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could you could get a ghost in the shell
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at a blockbuster video you could rent it
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right and they didn't they had that in
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the ad acura maybe the head ninja scroll
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and that was it right
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yep and and that was it that's really
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all it took was a few things to sort of
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stand out and I i would I don't know
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what it's like for the Japanese
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perspective but having seen a lot of
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anime mrs. Grose Michelle is good i
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would put it above let's say ninja
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scroll for example but through a few
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companies he gave it a try and i think
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that you know the the internet and the
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trading of fansubs and everything
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surrounding this especially the
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television series afterwards brought a
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japanese animation too much water
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audience in the u.s. so that's why it's
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remember that's that again that's why I
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picked it because you think oh well
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whatever goes and does not actually that
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good just because that's when anime just
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happened to come to the u.s. in a big
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way and I was into anime before ghost in
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the shell and it's you know whatever
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like you would think it would be
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crappy movie but i think it's actually
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great movie and it's kind of a shame
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that it gets sort of looked down upon as
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the sort of thing that came in that
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spread anime to the people who are who
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are really into it so this movie is from
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1995 it struck me immediately that
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before I even looked anything up on
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Wikipedia like in the first 10 minutes i
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thought wow the entire matrix is stolen
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from ghost in the shell
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yeah well I mean I the matrix very
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heavily influenced by japanese animation
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a lot of people who are excited about
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the matrix were excited because there
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had never really been a sort of live
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action anime conversion that was
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remotely interesting or convincing or
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good and this was like well it's not
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live action anime but this is what I
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imagined good live-action anybody would
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be like but yeah there's this old
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nineties sort of cyberpunk you know that
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that that all that that's wasn't
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invented by ghosts Michelle me see tons
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of blade runner inside this and
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everything as well sure yeah i just
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think well yeah you can see the chain of
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the chain of events here right but I
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mean just the visuals the green the
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green or huetter that had a nineties
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zoom in and all that that though it but
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it's like there's stuff in the first 10
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minutes of this movie that is just it is
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in the matrix the matrix you said that
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that and then I found an article that
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basically said the Wachowskis said that
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we're going to do that we're gonna make
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that and so they made that now would
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that was the matrix am I just it i
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didn't know going in that it was that
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this that this was influential in that
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way but it became readily available like
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really apparent immediately that it was
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yeah and you know i never i didn't
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actually put that together until we
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watching this this time and i have seen
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it a number of times before and I saw
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this well before I saw the matrix and
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somehow still didn't put it together
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watching the matrix the guys just so
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wrapped up in my excitement about the
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matrix that I didn't notice it but yeah
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it's it's very easy to draw a kind of a
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line between between this and the matrix
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and I think it's one of those things
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where I enjoy this so much that of
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course i was going to like the matrix
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I like the matrix so much that of course
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going back to watch this is going to be
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really exciting it's kind of like how
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you know i love the beatles therefore i
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can't really slag off always this all
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that much because it really sounds a lot
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like that because they wanted a really
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really like they liked the Beatles as
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he said maybe more as long as you agree
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that this movie is the beatles this
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analogy I'm fine with ionic we go now
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speaking of the matrix like and they had
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that's actually interesting comparisons
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well because the op-ed influences are
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obvious but i think the sort of world
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context of ghost in the shell is
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actually a really solid found a sci-fi
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foundation for stories that is just a
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well-thought-out and has themes that
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like it a lot of the criticism the ghost
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in shell gets that hits you over the
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head of its pains and I agree it's a
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gigantic sledge hammer hitting you in
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the face repeat like it has themes
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you're going to know them I and but i
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think the the world surrounding this is
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flushed down the TV series can actually
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support all these things because it hits
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you over things like yeah okay we get it
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robots people whatever ghost yeah I get
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it but you don't really get it because
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everything that they're subtle things in
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the movie which will go through and a
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bit and in a television series that
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continue to throw the realities of the
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setting back in your face in ways that
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surprise you because you will settle in
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to start thinking of this as a police
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procedural or an action movie or
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whatever and you'd be like oh oh yeah
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that's what generally being with me I
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forgot about that and the television
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series of us a over several seasons did
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that and the movie I think throughout
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its entire running time continues to
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tweak you with its premise and setting
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making you look at it from a different
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angle and realize all the ramifications
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in it in a way that makes you
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uncomfortable and I think that type of
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thing is beyond the realm of what the
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matrix was interested in doing matrix
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head it's one twisted wanted to do and I
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wanted to be cool and it it took away it
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took away from this movie The the sort
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of mainstream more palatable exciting
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fighting robot computers pakery type
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stuff but didn't really want to
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challenge you too much with the with the
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sort of a real-world hard sci-fi
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implications and instead went to a more
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sort of spiritual mumbo-jumbo thing
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especially in later movies
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yeah I'd seen that I'd seen the film
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many many times but this that the
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standalone complex was new to me in
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preparation for this episode I thought
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it was kind of this neat in that it's
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basically this police procedural but set
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in this fully fleshed-out cyberpunk
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world with all these rules and mechanics
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that were I thought pretty consistently
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applied across all the episodes that in
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a very convincing world-building kind of
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way so I enjoyed it
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in fact I mean I don't want to jump
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ahead to the show yet but but i did when
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i got to the end of the movie i
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immediately thought oh a show set in
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this world makes a lot of sense like I
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see in fact in some in some ways I felt
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like a show set in this world without
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you know standalone episodes as well as
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a you know I'm an overarching story like
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I think maybe that makes more sense to
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me then the movie because the movie is
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trying to tell this big thing and I have
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some criticisms of of the of the way the
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movie does it but I thought immediately
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this is a really rich world that would
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really benefit from having time to
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explore it which is what the show does
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and his course I guess we'll start with
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the opening scene because i think this
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is this the themes in the opening scene
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repeated throughout the entire movie in
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a way that I think people who are
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familiar with the movie take for granted
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and even myself like I mean I've seen
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this movie a million times and
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rewatching it again twice for this
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podcast the two times I thought it was
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I'm struck by how I didn't have things
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that for granted to come back to me as
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fresh but one of the things I've always
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thought about this movie is the opening
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you mentioned the boobs earlier
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beginning and at the end but really not
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in the middle there's a long boobless
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stretch here at boobs are staple of
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anime they're there they're bouncing
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they're going to be in the movies and
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most of the time they're in anime
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they're going to be there for you for
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the expected reasons because it targeted
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at hot men and they like to see boobs
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fanservice you know that is the usual
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reason you see naked women or scantily
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clad women or whatever in anime and this
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movie opens with the scene with the
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major on top of the building eventually
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she swoops down the building shoots
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through a wall and kill somebody or
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whatever but as part of that sequence
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she takes off our clothes and you're
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like oh here we go again
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roll like dude you gotta have your your
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feminine hero even if she is a tough
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secret agent type person or if she's a
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cyborg course she's gonna take off her
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clothes and wear skimpy outfits like
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it's just you have to do it right but
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even before they get to that there was
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one of the first exchanges and the movie
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is there talking to her over the headset
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and this is some static in your brain or
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whatever and she says it's that time of
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month same type of thing you're thinking
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of another eye roll like these women and
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their time of month right and it seems
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to be your typical sort of sexist anime
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fair but all that stuff is done type
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whether it's done with the purpose movie
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or i'm projecting onto the people i
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really truly want to believe that they
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were doing this consciously I and not
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just for the reasons at that we expect
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them to do it because hey we got to have
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a naked one we're gonna have around the
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we're gonna have her stay here time bunt
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borne out i think but a television
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series being an intelligent the world
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being very interesting and complicated
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this is done with the purpose that is
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counter to the normal purpose why she's
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saying it's that time about it when you
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just start the movie you have no idea
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you have no context for that you think
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it's just a silly joke a woman's expense
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as the movie goes on you realize she has
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no time of month she's a full side bar
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is full conversion cyborg that then it
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becomes like okay we're just making a
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joke but it's kind of like a sex joke
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right so why she naked
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well there you know there's an inn story
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reason for that is negative because
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that's how her thermoptic camouflage
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work so how convenient your camouflage
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only works when you're completely naked
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right which you said you you made an in
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story reason to get your heroine naked
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immediately there's gotta be some hurts
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that you think but the other reason is
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that it throughout the entire movie the
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major is naked frequently and I i think
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there is an in-store reason for that as
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well and has to do with the major
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challenging the people around her to see
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her as anything other than a machine
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she's like daring them to say bitches do
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you look at me as a machine or am I a
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woman I and her nakedness in this in
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this first scene is you know you're
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expecting the audience looking at always
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it's a naked woman and isn't that
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exciting a naked woman shooting people
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right exciting and titillating right but
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as the movie goes on you realize is that
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a naked woman or is it a machine shaped
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like a woman that needs to be in this
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configuration for camouflage purposes
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the major is sort of spiritual struggle
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throughout this entire thing with you
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know her ghost and everything is how
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does what is her conception of herself
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mystery woman or is she a machine and I
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guess the theme by keeping her over the
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head with this movie but every part of
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the movie is challenging everybody
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this character in the movie and the
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audience to revisit that question
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because it's so easy to slip back into
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thinking you're just watching an
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animated movie of a woman and i don't
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know how many times you have to watch
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this movie to start looking from that
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angle but it always seems obvious to me
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that her nakedness throughout this movie
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and in the credits sequence which starts
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with something that looks like a robot
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and ends with something looks like a
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woman challenging you to say we just
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showed you the steps it starts with a
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bunch of metal and ends with a woman why
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you're looking at that as a woman you
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just saw how we built that we built it
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out of metal right we showed you how the
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movies are made now how do you feel
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I don't know if anyone else got that
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from that sequencer you just looked at
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it with an eye roll instead of making
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women i think that this movie does a
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really good job of sort of having it
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both ways because you're you're
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absolutely right that's the staple of
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animes is to have the boobs the pretty
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girls and stuff like that and I I really
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looked at it very much the same way that
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you did John in that you know she is
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this creature who is you know one either
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one thing or the other
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maybe both we don't know and she she has
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chosen this form and that was the thing
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that I kept coming back to throughout
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both the movie and the TV show where you
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everyone will get a really sort of
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gratuitous shot and I think that that
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happened probably more in the TV show
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that that you know it would just can't
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take me right out of it for a second and
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then I'd be like wait a minute this is
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all complete artifice I mean this isn't
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just the pretty girl using her
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prettiness to to distract the bad guys
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this is a person choosing this shell
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that is you know has ABS you know maybe
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it doesn't look like heard about maybe
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she wasn't even female to start with we
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don't know and and I find it fascinating
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to kind of like take a step back and
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think about it from that from that
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perspective so I I maybe it's also just
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me perspective projecting because i want
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to think that they did this on purpose
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but i think that it was it was just sort
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of an artfully done
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way to include all of the things that
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you need to have a successful film
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especially in 1995 but to make some
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commentary on that for you know in a
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subtle way for the people who are going
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to recognize it as such
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yeah I think they're taking the kind of
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standard tropes that we would expect in
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that and subverting them basically yeah
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the contrast between to tell I think
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you're totally right the television
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series says okay we're gonna have some
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underwear upskirt shots like we're just
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we're just gonna do it right they ran
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out of subversion for the team right
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you should see the output she was in
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later seasons like it's obviously
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they're gonna have that but i think the
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movie plays it straight pretty much
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entirely like every seen it there's a
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there's an inn story explanation or
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thematic explanation of why is this
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character doing this and it not that all
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my notes are about making this but
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helped a lot of them are like it's not
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going so in the scene when she wakes up
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in our department not another iconic
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scene in the movie she gets up he opens
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a window she gets out of bed walks gets
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on our jacket and walks out of the room
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that scene you know waking up in the
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it didn't have a shower sequence which
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if you've seen a lot of anime is
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surprising how you had a woman wake up
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and you didn't show me take her taking a
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shower how how did she get clean the
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more she doesn't get clean she doesn't
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need to hurt a little bit we see it
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right you know she doesn't mean that's
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what she does that's all anyway
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different movie and she should they show
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her waking up without cutting away she
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walks into another room she walks back
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out with her jacket on she's done
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that's her morning routine she doesn't
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need to do anything else is trying to
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say she's not human to get it cuz you've
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got to focus on the human a point is
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made that he is not cybernetic that she
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wanted him on the squad because he isn't
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cybernetic muon different point of view
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eventually you have her driving with no
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hands talking about her mouth moving all
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staples of this universe but surprising
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to begin with when she fights that guy
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that the guy they're chasing around she
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fights some of the big pool of water or
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whatever at the end of that scene she's
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standing over him having knocked him out
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she's completely naked bateau is there
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with her and he's looking at the gun
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saying you're using the wrong ammunition
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for this gun you're running the muscle
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which is in character for him but he
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doesn't care that she's naked behind him
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and you know it's like again her being
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naked is partly for the camouflage but
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just standing there completely naked she
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could get her clothes back on but she's
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like would say he he actually there's a
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scene right after that where he does
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cover her i'm now that's what you're
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saying so I think he does care she
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certainly doesn't write somebody that's
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all think that's the interaction between
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the two of them she is daring him to
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view her as anything other than a
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machine and during the combat he's
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intentionally looking at the gun and
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saying okay well i'm i'm not going to
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during working times you know i'm not
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going to do that but then he does come
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over and put a jack why you putting a
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job it's like putting a jacket over your
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motorcycle you know what I mean like it
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in one respect for the other respect
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that shows it like there's a romantic
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tension between these two characters
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movies very subtle sort of crouching
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tiger hidden dragon kind of unrequited
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tip of the tension is there because
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they're both machines right so how do
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these to dance around the fact that they
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have these feelings for each other but
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they're both full conversion cyborgs and
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treat each other like coworkers
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but at a certain point he still because
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they were once human rights still feels
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compelled to put the jacket over it
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happens multiple times where it's some
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she's being treated as a person at other
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points you've been treated like a
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passenger in a woman shape tank one of
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my favorite scenes in the entire movie
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if not my favorite scene is when she's
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diving and she and she sinks to the
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bottom that's mine too
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I i really enjoy that because that that
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is the movie saying she's not human
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she sinks to the bottom I i really like
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that and then she comes back out and has
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the conversation and that that that is
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that scene is entirely about what it
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means to be human or not human because
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he's asking why do you even do this at
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and and especially since you don't
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float like a human being you have to use
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kind of assistance to float i think that
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is a fascinating scene and she's wearing
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she's wearing clothes in that scene john
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but it is the same themes exactly the
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same as the same challenge though I get
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that CD she's wearing clothes but here's
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the check them off it when she gets back
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about right and and he and he averts his
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eyes when she's getting address he turns
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his back why you turning your back now
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but you weren't then you didn't get a
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different context but their challenge at
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that point is this is what are you going
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to do if the floaty things stopped
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any and and she goes would you dive in
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after me like a challenge
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would you know well do you love me or
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not like what you're diving after me no
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one forced you to come right
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constant challenging of bat-toad
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relationship and the nature of their
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being and they're both being converted
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cyborgs and i think the the contrast is
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this is much better in the movie than in
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the television series with television
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series all the conventional in the
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that's always got you no artificial eyes
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that don't look like eyes look like
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little silver discs but his little
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silver circles are much more expressive
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in human than her big giant beautiful
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eyes because her big giant beautiful
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eyes my doll's eyes right they look
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completely inhuman whereas the express
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the expressiveness of his tiny little
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gray circles are so much greater really
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mean that it's it's a it's got to be
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intentional it's a fairly good feat of
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subtle animation technique to show her
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to show her sort of sidebar bodies being
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somehow more inhuman them back toes even
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though they're both full conversions
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it's highlighting that the relationship
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between two of them which they don't
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speak a lot of lines that you have
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lessons together is very subtle
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especially in the end the Hollywood sort
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of pantheon of these type of
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relationships where they were
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this is something they don't hit you
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over the head with i can imagine lots of
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people got into anime watch home movies
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and did not understand the relationship
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between these two at all that scene is
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actually that's also my favorite scene
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it's just indelibly etched in my memory
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from the very first time i watched this
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movie back in like 1996-97 whenever we
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got it for the first time and I think it
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i mean it is kind of a sledgehammer he
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seen you know we're talking about the
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themes that this movie has because this
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is I think the most blatant that it's
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it's sort of stated talking about
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whether you know is she human or not you
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know her her speech about if they get
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called to duty she can metabolize all
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the alcohol in her system within 10
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seconds or whatever it is but I think
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it's it is so poets the most poetic
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sledgehammer that I've ever been hit
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over the head with so it doesn't bother
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yeah I have the CNMI notes as well for
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one specific reason
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the a particular part of this scene
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where she comes up from the surface with
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her little floaty things and looks at
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the sky through her goggles with the
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water droplets on them as the clouds
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drift by that particular moment is sort
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of what if I had to like you know sort
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of file anime away and my brain under
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particular thing that particular moment
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is my my defining characteristic of all
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the enemy that I love it's it's
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basically a recurring motif and a lot of
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my favorite anime and probably in
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Japanese culture in general as far as i
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can tell duelling on the fine details of
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sensory experiences particularly those
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involving the interaction between the
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man weird world in the natural there are
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moments like that in a lot of anime a
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lot of my favorite anime a couple
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examples I I thought over the notes over
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like at the beginning kiki's delivery
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service where she's sitting on the hill
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with the wind blowing the radio playing
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they dwell on that because it is a
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century experience that we can relate to
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i don't think you ever ever been scuba
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diving or gun diving with a mask or
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anything that that thing of looking
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through a mask with water droplet time
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to the rest of the world and feeling
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like you are inside but you're really
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outside like you're looking through a
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window out onto the rest of the world
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that's a real feeling that I've had and
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they captured in this movie in like
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whispered the hard they showed the slow
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start of a rainstorm on on a city they
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do on that for a long time if you watch
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anything by makoto shinkai the sounds of
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the summer insects are like a theme of
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his movies because obviously something
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had a big influence on him those type of
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scenes like what what makes anime
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different than regular movies and i
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would say aside from all the animation
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and the ninjas in the robots and boobs
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it's the table in any one of these
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movies even with ninjas robots and boobs
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they will put a scene like this where
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you're looking through the lens of your
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thing with with the water droplets on it
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that will resonate with at least with me
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at a deeper level then I mean maybe how
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people feel when they watch terrence
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malick things are like other you know
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live-action directors of quote-unquote
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serious movies the japanese animation
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always speaks to me because every movie
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will have some small scene like that and
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when one of them hits home that really
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hits home and it just adds a whole new
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layer to a movie that involves cyborgs
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and tanks but watching a movie I'll and
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perhaps I was meant to feel this way but
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I was really confused about what her
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what the majors story was whether she
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was and yeah again this is the theme but
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whether she was once human or always
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synthetic and i don't know if i missed
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that or what but I had this whole
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question of like I don't even know what
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her deal is is she a robot is she a part
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person part robot she seems entirely
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sympathetic and yet there's this
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question of did she start out as a human
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being or not and i think that's the
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setting of the story suggests that this
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is what's been happening to everybody
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everybody has this opportunity to be
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mostly or entirely sympathetic but I it
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was one of those things that confused me
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like I didn't I I wasn't sure whether it
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was meant to be a question or whether i
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just totally missed it
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you must go get answered but but only
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kind of in very briefly in passing but I
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there's that scene in the elevator we're
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seeing back to have another kind of you
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know chat and you know she kind of she
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is asking that question you know out
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loud kind of to the audience and bateau
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cuz i guess kind of plays the role of
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storyteller but it's just taking it out
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that they're there is it there is a
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small organic part of you that is the
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the human part of you so you know as far
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as we know she is she's originally a
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human we don't really get her backstory
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here or in all 26 episodes that i
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watched over eventually should do we get
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a little be explicitly stated ok
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attending that the elevator seem like
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he's basically says that it does this by
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the way Jason is another staple of anime
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they will be a complicated setting and
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premise and it will not be explained to
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you and it goes to the shell that the
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television series and movies are perhaps
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the most egregious because they have
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incredibly complicated machinations of
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like the the political political
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intrigue in the end that the world
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history how many wars have been what
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countries are there the democracy of the
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dictatorships who is how does the
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government were like they don't tell you
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anything just expected to figure it out
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and takes like it's it's like you know
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take your tailor soldier spy ER Syria or
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any other movies you have to watch nine
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times to get all the details like that
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that is a stable that's why this is one
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or two because it isn't
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the dense but they did this movie to do
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say she's got a flesh-and-blood
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blood-brain and later in the series the
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television series emphasize the fact
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like it there's one part of you that is
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you it is your brain which is this a
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pretty solid foundation for that being
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the case and it's a flesh-and-blood
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thing and it's enhancing cybernetic and
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so on and so forth but basically if
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someone squishes that brain part you are
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dead and you're gone
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yeah and they actually in the TV show
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they also did deal with the fact that
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she had to become fully converted much
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younger than perhaps that she just then
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it's recommended so that's part of part
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of her backstory and why she struggles a
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little bit and the credit sequence did
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you watch the credits sequence to the
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television show Jason I watched both of
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yes yes i do you remember the part where
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she she's is having a dream i think
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where she's holding a doll and her
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cybernetic hand but she can't control
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her cybernetic and it destroys the
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dollars the doll
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no yeah that that is these are all
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underpinnings of write their backstories
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review i forget if it's into season one
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or season to it and moves on but that
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did she was converted very young and
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that she had to learn to control these
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cybernetic bodies and that it took some
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getting any of the shows like how do you
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become the major how does someone become
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this person well she's very elevated
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alienated growing up she didn't grow up
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like a regular person I and has always
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felt like I had identity issues
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Who am I am I person am I machine how am
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i different than everybody else that you
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know am i worthy of love how do i have
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some identity outside of the different
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bodies that I can inhabit you know all
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the rest of the themes of the movie I
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don't want to put too much but I mean we
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can you help us look at two different
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openings of of the TV series there's
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like the original opening and then the
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replacement opening and one of them is
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like in the animation style and the
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other one is like CGI yeah that's just
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something I I personally really enjoy i
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like remixes of songs that I like and I
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like the idea that you know opening
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sequences of anime series are in and a
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big thing and an anime TV series
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specifically that a lot of the time you
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can eat you'll see an opening sequence
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you know 30 second song and a bunch of
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animation it's clear they spend more
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money in that opening sequence than the
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first three episodes combined based on
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the animation quality so there was a lot
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of love and care into those sequences
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they're an important part of the show
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having one of those and then having them
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redo it a cgi is it i is a great
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contrast because i like the idea of like
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we'd be this beautiful hand-drawn
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animation can we do it in CGI what does
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it look worse does it look better is it
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possible to capture what was good about
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the other one and in this example I
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think the hand-drawn one is way better
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than the cgi want yeah it shows the
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limits of CGI the time but it's
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interesting to see them try I'll it will
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be perhaps less interesting and more
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depressing to see them try to do a live
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action version of this with scarlett
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johansson but that idea of like take
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this thing now do it this way now do it
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that way now do with one hand tied
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behind your back no to all black and
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white now doing a hand-drawn animation
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outdoors claim now do it is interpretive
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dance like i like the idea of that and
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this particular series when I was
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watching it had this conversion where
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you're like the opening they were used
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to always have appeared in cg like what
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is going on someone think this was a
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good idea but it's still very
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interesting to me yeah I didn't like the
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I mean it and I like CGI and all but but
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it different doesn't match the show ya
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and second I felt like I really
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understood the way that she's portrayed
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the way the major is portrayed in the
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show in animation like I i can quibble i
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like that i like the purple and stuff i
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think that's really need I can i I think
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her outfit is ridiculous they ever since
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teacher assistants
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yeah what about this one saying is I
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mean ma I read superhero comics I I know
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ridiculous outfits when I see it and but
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in the in the movie it's not like that
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it's not to this extreme that in the
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show but but anyway she is that
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character I don't know there's something
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about that character you feel like
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you're you're seeing a portrayal of a
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very specific character and the cgi is
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it feels like it's just a generic even
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though it's the same clothes and the
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it's like it just kind of a generic cgi
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figure of a woman instead of that
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character like the animations it softens
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all the interesting edges
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yeah well yeah they're all soft and just
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kind of literally it's committed to it
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doesn't even read as a press the same
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person it just reads like maybe like a
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cosplayer or something because they you
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the worst is like the very end sequence
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which is grimacing shooting a gun and
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grimace when she shoots somebody that's
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not that's ridiculous red
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itachi comes come off a little bit
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better but anyway I i like the remakes
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aspect of that I think we can wrap up
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the movie with just the ending sequence
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which again we're going to take the same
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themes and keep throwing them in your
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face and so you can until they they land
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home at one point the big tank at the
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end i believe shoots up a giant tree of
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life type thing like that you know sort
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of evolutionary ladder type create
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forget what's written on it I think
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humans are the top is that but the thing
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shoots up yeah it comes just short of
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just short of shooting up here yeah like
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you're getting it folks you know thanks
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not not subtle at all but it happens
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fast enough and i think the words you're
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in Latin so it's a little bit better but
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the city the ending the ending bit there
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is very kind of like I don't say Kira
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ask or whatever but I think with again
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with a different person purpose where
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she's going in the the one-woman
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wrecking crew to take out this tank
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she has a plan to execute your plan she
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gets on top of the tank is trying to
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tear the lid off the tank to get to the
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fleshy bits on the inside and defeat the
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tank and that lid just doesn't want to
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come off and she took keep rolling
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she keeps pulling until basically her
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arms get torn off and this this type of
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thing that my loves to do where they
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will show what looks like a vulnerable
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human person usually a woman using an
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attractive woman grievously injured in
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some way is subverted here by her
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seriously injuring herself as part of
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the plan that she's executing in such a
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way that you realize that this is not so
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much someone being injured but it's more
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she just did that but with her own body
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because she's essentially driving that
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body as the pilot more than it is you
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know a that is herself or whatever then
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of course you've got the big black
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unfurling lots of great Mecca design in
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synchronized breathing apparatus to
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shoot her through the head and
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everything again they're aiming for her
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head because that's the only way you can
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kill you you shoot another part doesn't
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do anything you got backhoe once again
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putting the jacket over her when she's
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diving into the project 2501
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you just need to cover over the jackets
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the machine but at that point he's
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thinking of her as a human and covers
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are up you get your head blown clean off
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in that scene but she's fine because
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they didn't actually squish the brain
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brain park and then the for the final
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thing that's really making your own
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comfort or the end they got her in are
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replanted in a little girl's body which
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community looks like a little girl
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version of the major which is a nice
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touch and I'm saying that you know what
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do you want to add to the black market
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this is all I could get
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yeah and that just spins out her like
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why would little girl cyborgs be
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available on the black market and how do
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in a little girl body has but to feel
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about her and have to revisit all their
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feelings that they had before how do you
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feel about the feelings they had before
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it's almost like when you find out later
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was look sister but even worse
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yeah I like I am I I think it's really
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interesting the the end is is a bit of a
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head-scratcher where they're like you
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know moving to a different bodies and
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the two bodies of their and there's the
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puppet master and they're moving around
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all that but i did i did like the idea
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that i'm somewhere i think the wikipedia
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page says that that the whole idea is
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that she's she's supposed to be supposed
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to look like standardly standard
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available you know parts but even though
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she's got special stuff on the inside
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and I like taking that to the extreme at
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the end was like you know this is what I
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could get this is what you get to be you
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get to be the little girl now sorry
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yeah well but but she says you know it's
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at this point because i was with the
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puppet master so it's a new creature
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that's been created that's you know
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something new in the world that's the
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one problem with the movie is that it it
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wanted to have an arc that ended with
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the sort of merging everything but the
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movie is going towards is like where
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we're going to confront you with all
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these questions about what it means to
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be a living thing or something worthy of
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love or what does that even mean
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and they're going to keep pushing until
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by the end of the movie you're like well
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yet getting back to jason's thing what
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if she was shooting what if she was
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never alive does that change how you
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view her what if she is combined with an
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AI that you know that she's actually
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made it with AI is she now less worthy
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of being treated as a person than she
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was before what if something was never
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human-like that's that's where you're
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going in the movie ends and you can
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continue off in that direction but the
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TV series and most of the things that
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spin off the universe rewind and said
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let's go back to the beginning of that
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thing because they don't they don't try
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to continue on that good matrix style
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where you get the end of the movie he
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jumps off from the phone booth then you
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say let's go see where that goes like no
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no we have we have this whole world but
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let's explore different stories for the
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net world without immediately jumping to
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humans are useless
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I destroy and Destroy All Humans about
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humility and let the machines take over
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which with which you know you can see
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this universe going towards but that's
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not the story they want to tell well so
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what do you guys think of the movie so I
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i was really confused by parts and I
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felt like parts of it i didn't i say
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wanted me to be confused about and parts
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of it I thought it just didn't need to
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make me confused about and it did
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what's with all the numbers this is the
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thing that really drove me crazy a
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second second second we got section nine
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and we got project 2501 and we're going
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to a virtually all of the numbers drove
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me crazy because I i don't know maybe
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this is just my relationship with
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numbers but if it had been like the
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defense division and the secret division
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or something like that I would have
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understood it but it's like instead
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everything is section 9 section 6
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project 2501 it feels super x
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positioning and of course you know there
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are there are are just endless streams
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of dialogue there's a very funny part
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where there's a lot of dialogue and
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everybody's head the head of the person
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who's saying it is cut off in the shot
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so they don't need to animate them
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talking pages download dialogue lots and
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lots of dialogue about the government
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and this in this section is doing this
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and this is over here and those are
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those moments where I thought this is
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are they trying to make a wash over me
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to the point where I just don't even
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care anymore or would this have been
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better off just being more oblique like
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I would almost rather had been
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completely confusing then have it be
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like here's an enormous download of all
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these things that are similarly named
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that you don't really understand and
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that have relationships to one another
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and that's like so that is actually a
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staple of anime and if you think the
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numbers are problem if you can watch
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more the television series you do
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realize that naming of the different
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factions and when splinter groups and
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parts like it's just as bad it's even
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worse when they have names because at
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least the numbers you know don't need
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any translation they just throw it at
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you like an object 2501 like everything
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I mean something the chatroom someone
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mentions like mi5 and mi6 like a
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starting point you get used to the
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number you're all so confusing
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yeah the world is confusing Jason the
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cyberpunk world is more confusing this
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project black eagle or something i'll be
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like 'ooh project black eagle what does
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it mean project 2501 it's like project
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string of numbers
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oh and there's another project of sorts
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of different numbers who tell me more i
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mean i know that didn't they didn't
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yeah they do they do throw stuff at you
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they don't want to explain it and at
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many times it's easy to think that there
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is no explanation that it is just mumbo
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jumbo that it's like the star trek talk
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where you just throw a bunch of words in
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there it's just science fiction word
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salad and you know suffice it to say
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don't like them crystals let's move on
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but there usually is an actual story
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surrounding these things I don't know
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what makes them want to just throw it
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like why do we need those details is it
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like do you want me to have to go to the
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wikipedia page and look for the help
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this stuff is but like if you watched
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nine hundred times eventually you do
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connect all the dots and it starts to
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make sense but I don't know what it is
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in Japanese animation that makes them
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want to do these incredibly dense and
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deep backstories to tell what is
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otherwise a fairly simple story because
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I like theirs theirs
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ok so there's an old guy who's bald
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mostly with gray hair and a little
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goatee and he's got a team
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he's got a team of cyborg crime-fighting
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agent people and they they can fight
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crime and right wrongs on I totally got
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that and and what as I got through the
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movie I'm like oh yeah and this one
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stood co there is a TV show here this
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makes this totally makes sense it was
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just at the beginning again maybe they
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just want you to feel completely at sea
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or something but I just felt like when
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everything is numbered i just i hit
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through my hands like I have no idea who
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is who they're talking about when
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they're talking for a long time about
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what section 6 section 16
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section nine and we need to be part of
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section 9 again it gives you the feeling
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like you've dropped down in the middle
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of something larger that you just are
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gonna have to figure out I felt like it
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could have been clearer if they had
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wanted it to be and I didn't care
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yeah I think you're exactly right about
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being dropped in the middle of something
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that's larger that you don't understand
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and that's that's actually something
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that drew me to the movie because and
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anime in general because i like feeling
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like I am in a world that is whole and
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is its own thing that is very separate
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from what I'm used to
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I like the fact that anime is so
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different from most of the entertainment
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that I'm used to consuming so the fact
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that that was first of all I felt that
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that the numbers were were more elegant
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than all of the names that we get
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letters little later there's a lot of
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alphabet soup in the in the TV show and
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and I like the idea that I that I have
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to figure this stuff out and I maybe
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need to watch it a number of times
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because sometimes I mean I I like easy
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escapism as much maybe more than the
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next guy but every once in a while I
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like to to make my brain work for it a
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bit and I found I it's hard to remember
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exactly what I felt the very first time
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I saw this but I i seem to remember that
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it was confusing but it was deliciously
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I enjoyed that feeling of you know i
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felt like i was literally in the middle
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of it and I was turning left and right
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and looking up and down and I'm seeing
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all of these things that i don't quite
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recognize but they are intriguing to me
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so much so that i'm willing to put in
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the work and go back and watch it again
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and again to really it define these
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things and and tease it out kinda like
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twin peaks if you want to compare it to
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a similar thing where like what is this
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incomprehensible show that like I don't
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understand what's going on and I don't
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know who these people are doesn't make
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any sense to me and so like did I don't
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know if they're being intentionally
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obtuse like twin peaks was like it that
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was part of the thing but it that is my
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experience of watching anime is that
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part of what appeals to me is that I'm
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going to have a bunch of crap dumped on
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me and it could be artfully done unless
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our fleet I think it's way less are
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fully done in a television series then
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it is in the movie because the movie the
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movie takes time out to do as Tony
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mentioned earlier that you know
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that the musical montage and everything
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which you you know whether you like them
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or you don't it's kind of like a tease
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musical montage is i love the kind of
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things right i like i like the anime
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montages with the with the people ladies
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yodeling over slow-motion shots of
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decaying cities with airplanes flying
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over them like i like that i can
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understand if you don't but the big
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exhibition dumps it into that all things
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like why are you doing this on purpose i
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think they are doing it on purpose i
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don't think you can do it by accident
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they're so good at being so income it's
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a twin peaks obviously doing it on
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purpose right and this and that was my
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point is there are two ways to read this
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one is they uh they think they're
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providing texture but by having them all
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just be numbers instead of something
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because this is a made-up world ok they
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could make it up and have labels on
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things like I said they could say that
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you know its defense division and and
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the spy division or whatever and you'll
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be like oh I get it there that's the
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defense division and I can Intuit from
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that what it is or you know or you can
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just pick numbers and say whatever we
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don't we don't know what we're doing
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it's either that or I think would be
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more likely they wanted to be this web
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of interconnections that you have to
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struggle to which I love in novels right
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i love like what is it embassy town the
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China Mieville that that is like he just
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download their other books like this to
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of neal stephenson's uh-oh an FM is like
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this where it's like there's just words
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that you have no idea for up like 500
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pages what the words mean and you just
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have to figure it out and I appreciate
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that so that that was my struggle with
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it was like are they really are
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do they really expect me to be able to
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keep track of all these numbers or am I
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supposed to let it wash over me and
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eventually i'm just gonna figure it out
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through context and I think that's where
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i got to its kinda like the difference
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between learning a language by taking a
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class and having a teacher explained it
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to you or just immersing yourself in a
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culture and moving to someplace like
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Japan and just figuring it out some of
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the chairman said that the in Japan the
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actual ministries are named with numbers
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like this i always i don't know if
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that's true or not but I always took it
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is like having the numbers like section
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nine maybe the more cyber punky
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yeah maybe this is retconning section
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nine now sounds cool to me is it because
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section 92 section 9 and I know what
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section is or is it because section it
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seems like mi5 does my five sound cool
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because of james bond or was it
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according to begin with like if you name
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things with numbers it its it's more of
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an aesthetic theme it's not so much the
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use the numbers is the fact that like
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there are eight thousand moving parts
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there 700 characters all have different
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motivations you have to know who
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which of these political parties who is
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in power who is not what's motivating
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people like they're not going to do that
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do that so the idea is that this was a
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complex future world and we can't
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different and it's not part of our story
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like oh this is really the future so
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much measures changed in the first
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episode of standalone complex there's
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something like that where again I think
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this is just style thing that I have to
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there's a download at one point that
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left my head spinning where the guy
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inches in charge says oh you know the
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defense ministry and he was meeting with
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this North American you know whatever it
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executive from that thing for the talks
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involving this I'm like okay like it
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wasn't complacent to say that there's a
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thing and people are being held hostage
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by robot indications okay i think in the
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film it's a little bit harder to because
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there they take seem to be adversarial
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sometimes just an upside down but they
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a little bit harder because like the
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first scene is we basically have the
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major who's working for section 9 carry
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assassination right and so it's it's
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it's a little unclear like who is the
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good guy who is you know you know how
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good are the good guys and
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all that also John you're gonna get
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letters from the James Bond and so watch
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why am i five mi6 and yeah he's mi6 I i
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said it's cool because of james bond
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franchise not him specifically ok i
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always thought that he just worked for
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the English agent Department of Special
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md apartment and it's it's like you know
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like that Syria or something where
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everything is in the movie you it they
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explained in the movie there is at least
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one line to explain who section 9 is
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they're the ones who can get their hands
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dirty to section 6 is the diplomatic
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corps whatever why the section 6 can't
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do this and you eventually second 6
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review it revealed to be supporting out
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the and section 9 like not if you watch
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the television series you see how that
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goes down between them but this internal
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warring factions within the government
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the only thing that's never make clear
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the entire series is why I section 9 I
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guess it's just our maki why why are
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they the one is relatively non-corrupt
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part of the government every other part
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of the government is terrible like you
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should also have especially if they're
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like where the where the guys that can
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get her hands dirty carrying out
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assassinations but where the non-corrupt
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part right they are but they don't like
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it feels like it's a cuts a handful of
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people that's just a good group of kids
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they're like this five last week that's
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the key small numbers that's right and
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and the one the one good leader I mean
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it's it you know in that respect it's
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more like a television show but I get
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the television the format of the
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television show i think is premise
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action sequence then a scene where
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George Lucas style everyone sits there
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on couches and talks forever about
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nonsense like it is just unbelievable
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amount of stuff that you like about you
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try to follow it and like it's just you
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feel like it's impossible
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I've seen this entire series like four
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times some episodes are still like that
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I'm just never going to know what
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they're talking about right and that
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middle section of these episodes like if
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you were to format this is the US
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television show you like maybe cut out
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the part of the middle where they sit
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around and talk because you've got some
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exciting dynamic people here and they
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always do like set up lots of action
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lots of talking and then the rest of the
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story with action because the short show
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it's like 1 30 minutes or something like
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that you don't have time for like an
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hour long drama you really just have to
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tape a call the story into a talking
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part in the middle and some episodes do
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it more gracefully than others and I
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think that is probably the weakest part
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of the TV series and the movie i think
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does a better job of sort of weaving it
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throughout because they try to have
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a sex position and less of a complicated
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plot in general than the reed insane arc
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that forms the television series and
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really the movie is more about themes
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and characters and the world and less
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about the specifics of the story and so
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I think it is more artfully done there
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I mean I i really like this show but I
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kind of laughed every time they have the
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the requisite seen in the middle where
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they have like their conference call
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except they're all doing it by thinking
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so that like we don't actually know how
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to animate anything for like 30 minutes
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they're just there everyone just seemed
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like maybe they're in a car maybe
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there's a room but they're all just
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thinking their thoughts back and forth
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to each other just like what is savings
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ya might ah gasps ah doesn't get to
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participate had so much driving and
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thinking using or driving and diving
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which i think is probably one of the
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most unsafe things you can do it like
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texting and driving don't do that you
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should really give your eyes on the road
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but then again that they have spare
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cycles maybe they could do both at once
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I now see really unsafe there's they're
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actually better drivers than we are
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unfortunately a lot of my favorite
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episodes are in season 2 of this and so
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I i watched all of season one again and
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say wait I didn't get to my oh yeah
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that's in season to this and that's
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another thing about the format of these
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episodes i mentioned to Jason but I
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thought he had a chance of seeing more
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than two of these at the beginning of
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the episodes they do this morning i'm
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going to watch the rest of them it'll
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just be no good for this podcast they do
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this thing where they show over the
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title sequence sure the title of the
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episode and then it's growing region
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that is an English explanation of the
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scene you're about to see in the opening
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and then a little word tag on the sides
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of their complex or standalone which is
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a nice labeling system that perhaps the
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x-files could have benefited from to
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tell you is this an episode that it's
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about the season long arc or is this a
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standalone episode that's
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monster-of-the-week and some of my
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favorite episodes are standalone
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episodes because it gives them an excuse
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in a 30-minute format which is very
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abbreviated you can do a standalone
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story and if you just watch the archive
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soldiers I've never done
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I imagine it would form kind of coherent
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whole but then you realize how important
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a standalone episodes are even though
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they don't move the plot along of the of
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the the season long arc there's
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character development all the standalone
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episodes interesting little story it's
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kind of something that would have
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twilight zone ii some of the kind of
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monster the week type thing but in each
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episode there's little bit
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development the later seasons they have
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development of more obscure characters
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maybe they ran out of stories for the
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major impact on everything
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it's not just character development
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though to there's some serious
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world-building done in a lot of those
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standalone episodes things that while
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you know maybe they're not exactly
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moving the plot forward the the themes
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and technological bits and bobs that you
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are seeing those and those stories are
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coming back later and and taking part in
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the complex type episodes and I feel
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like yeah it would be interesting maybe
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to just watch all the complex ones
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together but I feel like it would be a
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dinner with no seasoning you'd be losing
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yeah they do definitely like things that
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you're going to see in the arc episodes
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they like like a good video game
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explaining a mechanic to you before
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challenges you within the level they
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will explain a particular mechanic and
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it in in the concept in the context of
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another story and then in the archive so
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just use that because they assume you
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already know what it is and you've seen
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it before and that that structure works
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fairly well if you don't know that those
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labels are there i find it
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this this season flows well enough that
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you don't feel like you're going all
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this is obviously an archive so this
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obviously standing because they all
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begin kind of the same way like there's
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sexytimes gotta look into it what is the
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deal with this problem there's always
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some kind of hackers involved are like
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terrorists or someone like they all kind
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of look the same
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what's the difference between market
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below you know this one the Laughing Man
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is your your you know symbol for this is
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going to be an archive so but sometimes
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they sneak up on you when they do
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something like this is the senior
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related to laughing matter at all but a
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hot actually is and it comes back around
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it like i'm a sucker for that structure
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again the x-files lots of other American
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television shows that use that structure
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where they get to have their cake and
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eat it too where you have cool season
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long arc but you can also have great
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standalone episodes something I kind of
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missed on like something like lost where
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every episode was kind of an arc episode
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even if they have like this is cyrus
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back story episode they always felt like
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there had to be and let's make some
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progress on the island even if it's like
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you know two steps forward one step back
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or something like that whereas the
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x-files and this thing or like look this
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episode is just going to be
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monster-of-the-week we have a really
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good idea for a story and a cool
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finishing sequence with the
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bouquet of flowers at a funeral sorry
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for spoiling it for you to Jason and
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that's what we're gonna do I don't
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remember that was a narc episode or
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standalone but anyway there something
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like that some of my favorite episodes
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are standalone saw and some of them were
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actually in season 2 which I think could
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you ask you before like what did you
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guys think of the the movie judges movie
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not judges anime not judges like I liked
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it better than this anime or worse than
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the other but like it just in general as
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a movie because I think that's another
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problem with anime people always want to
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get a wise it by saying it's my favorite
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anime we kind of like saying it's my
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favorite animated movie like the people
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who only talk about pixar movies in the
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context of other animated movies and not
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just like that's one of my favorite
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movies in general or one of my least
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favorite like grading on a curve say
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well it's terrible movie but among all
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anime it's a good one how do you judge
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this as a movie movie i liked it as a
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movie movie in fact I liked it so much
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the first time i thought that i take it
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home and showed it to my family and my
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family had I can't remember my sister
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and brother had seen enemy by that point
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I don't think they had I know my parents
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never had their science fiction fans so
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they were interested in just sort of the
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themes of the film to begin with so i
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knew that there would be at least
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there'd be something for them to buy
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into and then they have no problem with
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subtitles so we didn't have to worry
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about that and and everybody liked it i
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mean my brother and sister liked it
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enough that they have become much bigger
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anime fans than I have since then but
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even my parents who I think we're maybe
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a little hesitant just because they
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didn't know anything about this quite
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enjoyed it and I think that they they
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were a little bit confused by some of
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the same stuff that you know we've been
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talking about your sort of supposed to
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be confused by but i think they were
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reading enough you know 70 sci-fi that
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they were totally fine with being
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completely confused by stuff that's
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supposed to be confusing and and they
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all liked it just as a film so I i give
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it a thumbs up across the board
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I think it's a great science-fiction
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movie yeah I've seen it many times
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because i like it so i'll say it again
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up i think i'll probably continue to get
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little little bit to new things out of
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it so well I can see having only student
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once i can see the benefit of going back
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and watching more times because having
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been in that world forth for that period
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of time for that hour and a half i feel
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like i understand it now better than I
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just the first time and so that I would
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it would benefit from from from that
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there were individual things in it that
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I really like like I
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I really like like I
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mention the diving scene III I i like
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the horror of the garbage man who has
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this whole story of what he's trying to
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do that turns out to be completely alive
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because he's been he's been ghosts
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hacked into believing things that are
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not real and he thinks he had a family
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and the story isn't that his wife didn't
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leave him or the store and you know what
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the industry is that he never had a
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family and they can't erase those like
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another like nobody and other people
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know in the movie that's one of the
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times they explain to the audience oh by
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the way we can't fix him in our world
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were saying we can't get rid of these
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memories yeah so how you know i'm
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getting i know i know that was that was
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so that was kind of an amazing scene i
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the mech with the giant you know machine
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guns and she's trying to major trying to
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take out the tank by herself and ends up
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ripping her arms off and all that that
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was a really nice action sequence but
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like I said I i think i haven't watched
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a one-time i can't say that i enjoyed it
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because I think I struggled too much
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with not having any idea what was going
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on with a lot of the road a lot of the
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exposition stuff just being like I I see
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things are exploding and I know people
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things but like any nuance of what is
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actually going on was completely lost on
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me because I just was a completely it's
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at sea so I I you know I really
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appreciate the relationship between who
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characters which are the major and photo
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but yeah but no I really enjoyed that
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relationship and we've talked about some
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of that about their conversation on the
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boat after she's done diving him
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apologizing for getting there late he
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comes in to save the day at the very end
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and so sorry I'm so sorry I'm late it's
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like dipped least you saved everything
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at the very end sorry I'm late I i liked
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stuff it was a lot there's a lot of
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stuff in there and I guess I guess what
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I'm saying is i'm not opposed to seeing
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it again because i feel like i
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understand it more and what it did do is
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make me realize what a great world this
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would be for an ongoing series about
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this team which is what they made and
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watching those two episodes of the
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standalone complex series i really liked
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them although although again i have as a
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as a a American pop culture person I i
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still have those moments of like this is
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just not a mixture of things that I'm
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used to because again it's a half-hour
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story that's animated that has one of
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the characters running down the street
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shouting shit shit shit right and it's
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like well that who is this for I'm
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asking myself because it is weird
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combination of things that would not be
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put together in a piece of American
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entertainment and yet you know I i liked
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it and I recognize a lot of the troops
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from science fiction and I think as a TV
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show it it it it work better for me in
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the sense like like I got how this would
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be really good as a recurring series of
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problems for this team to solve because
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that's I felt like that how I didn't
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mention the other thing that I thought
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was really funny about it is that we
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talked about influences here i got real
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Miami Vice vibe from this at several
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points like like bato is is is kind of
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like cyborgs Don Johnson this is
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American culture being reflected back at
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us a little bit yeah a little bit later
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it was fascinating the music the way
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that the way the music plays at times is
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actually very michael mann where you've
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got you've got the the the nature and
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the cityscape kind of together and it's
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a quiet moment and it's like it was
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almost like write out a man hunter or
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something or miami vice but very michael
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mann too so that really amused me
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because i did not expect to get to see
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you know the mid-eighties reflected back
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via the the nineties in Japan and that
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that is what I got he is very done
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Johnson motto is and that's one of the
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most fun things about anime because
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American culture has had such an
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influence in Japan they are co-opted but
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sort of twisted it and then against back
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at you and you're like this looks
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vaguely familiar but not quite right
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right when it comes back it up sometimes
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you don't even recognize it as
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what what it originally was because they
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they co-opted and make it their own and
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when it comes back it is this mutant
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strain but somehow familiar as well yeah
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I also i love and this is something more
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anime i watch the more I realize this is
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just a thing i'm going to do is I love
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seeing Roman characters in the
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it's like what did they choose to have
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be in english or at least in Roman
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that's fascinating because that's the
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stuff that's not translated right they
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the filmmakers put it in there
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everything else we get all the dialogue
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is translated either by redubbed or
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subtitles but then they'll just be some
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words and I i get a great deal of joy
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out of seeing what what they put in
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things i can read and where they are
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just in the background on on a sign
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it makes me laugh be careful with
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fansubs because sometimes they digitally
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replace signs with things that look like
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they were put there by the original
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animators but weren't the chain is not
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changing movie you watch but sometimes
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they do it they shouldn't do that
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because that's too cool
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it's too cool to see like in kiki's
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delivery service that is you know
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theoretically takes place in Northern
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Europe and so there are amusing like
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signs that are written in English or in
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core German like languages and you know
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it's writing that we can read so that's
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so anyway i would say i would say I
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struggled with the movie but by the end
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i felt like i got the power of the
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setting and I as a result when I rolled
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into the TV series I thought that was a
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lot of fun so I should probably go back
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now that I understand a little bit more
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about section section section 9 and it's
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not just number salad i might be able to
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appreciate it even more and you know I
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was a william gibson reader from way
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back and these are the and Max Headroom
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fan right and never did some of the
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overlay stuff they do with the like the
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green blinking and the like the labels
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the heads-up display kind of labels on
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everything is straight out of Max
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Headroom too so I like that as a
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cyberpunk kind of remix coming back any
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yeah have been lots of that is actually
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unfortunately the result of nineties
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computer technology and not snow so much
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an artistic choice but it ends up being
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an artistic choice about it is it is a
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an old-tech conception of future attack
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that I find kind of charm
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I mean max headroom is the same way
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right it was at the time it was like how
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do we use computers from 1985 to project
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cyberspace of the future and the answer
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is it's all like wireframe me and/or
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it's like animated like the hitchhiker's
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guide to the galaxy TV series it's like
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hand animated in a style that appears
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computery will make a green on black and
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make it look like there's a scanline and
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it'll totally be computery was actually
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a smart choice for this movie doesn't
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look as dated because they they knew the
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limitations of technology and they said
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we're gonna have this overview of the
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city let's just make everything green
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because i know it's kind of silly for
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everything to be green but we can put we
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can do green green is what we've got
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like this go to do with that as opposed
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to trying to do it in full CG because
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that's the beauty of anime as they have
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never been limited by that you can draw
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anything you want and they do right and
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one computer technology came on there
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like what can we do with computers that
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would be difficult to do with drawing or
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they will add some kind of edge or
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whatever and i just think this movie and
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most at japanese animation the
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hand-drawn stuff is so much better than
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any computer stuff it's like just keep
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the computer stuff into distance unless
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you can unless you can make it really
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convincing let's do opening sequences
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really do i mean that that shows you and
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again group good CGI is a mate can have
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amazing character design and we've seen
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with Pixar movies and other other great
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movies but those two scenes if you
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compare them it's like that it that
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character that is the major that if that
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is her in the hand-drawn animation
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opening and then the other one it's just
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a piece of plastic
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it is just if one of the top of you you
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can take that you could take that into
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animation class and say what what makes
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these things different because one of
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these is a fully-realized character
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hand-drawn but fully realized character
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and the other one is a dull it's amazing
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yeah I get kind of jarred out of it in
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the the TV show they they like to use
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CGI for a lot of the car chases and
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things yeah that's what it's it's it's
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the era its beauty and the beast thing
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right whether yeah we can we can animate
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can do cars we can do but we can do
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boxes sliding across the screen
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yeah well I mean it's like futurama they
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do rigid bodies ships cars large
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buildings like and eventually but
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eventually anime television series got
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good enough added that it kind of share
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sells it you know it's the budget for TV
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is very different
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budget for film yeah so that's why by
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the way you should never watch the to
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put quote-unquote 2.0 version this movie
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in which they replace a lot of stuff
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with CG it is worse than always pretend
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it doesn't exist
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yeah i didn't i didn't know until just
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now and in two seconds I'm gonna be back
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to not knowing i'm erasing it that's
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right right that's what I'm telling
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everybody when they were watching we're
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going to you know watch this before they
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hear the podcast do not watch the dew
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point i'll find the original seek it out
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it's very easy to type ghost in the
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shell and get the new one you do not
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want that you were about live-action
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movie starring scarlett johansson yeah
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well I got to get to that in a second
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but first I want to talk about your
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re watching this like if this is not
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your kind of movie forget about the fact
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that it's animated if the if the pacing
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and sort of flow of this movie with the
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weird musical montages and the sort of
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philosophical talking to each other in
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the quiet moments if that doesn't appeal
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to you and you will never liked this
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movie that's what this movie is all
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about right but at the very least on the
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rewatch you can see how like typical
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movie stuff did you notice that he
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showed the pictures of his family to his
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is the the his garbage truck co-worker
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of course you did but you didn't notice
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that you never got to see the picture
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because you weren't thinking that you're
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like whatever he shown in picture is not
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important but it later it becomes
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important that you never saw that
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picture because the picture of him in
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his dog or whatever from the park not
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things like that you will get on a
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second watch that only connect up after
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the fact and that's like any movie with
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isn't it you know like the success or
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anything where there's a any kind of
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twist or plot reveal or now you know
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more about the world you can watch and
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see all that actually makes sense and it
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all fits together and that way you can
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enjoy the movie in a more detailed level
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that the sort of political intrigue and
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the warring factions in the movie are
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much less important than the themes i
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mean there there you can figure them out
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but they are they don't reveal much more
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other than making you not be confusing
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and putting you in the brain state where
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you're like do I have to know this to
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make sense of the next scene in the
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movie in general you just have to know
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what the big moving pieces on the board
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are and it's really more of a character
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in themes story playing out over this
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backdrop like you didn't even need to
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know who was writing that tank who is
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sending those helicopters to shoot her
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you just need to know that these are
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threats and that how she's doing because
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really the internal struggle i think is
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more important than the extra Hollen
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yeah the external struggle becomes much
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more I think important in the TV
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go write a movie is much more artfully
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internal struggle now I mean I i doubt
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the the TV show would spend whatever
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five minutes for about a cyborg diving
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yeah I'm so for the for the physics the
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actual device will talk about the
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live-action movie here a little bit more
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to say about the TV show after that but
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so the the prospect of a live-action
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version of this has been talking about
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for many years as with any sort of
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iconic animation thing some people want
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to see a live action version of it some
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people don't now apparently they're
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making it i don't know who's attached
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other than scarlett johansson who's
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it's a stevens field produced I'm not
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sure who's directing it
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yeah well so high i have dim hopes for
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this movie not just because they cast
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Scarlett Johansson but because she just
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totally does not reduce the major made
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race reasons totally aside like the
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character doesn't seem like that to me
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the reason i don't think it'll work at
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least as a live-action version of the
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movie we saw is that no one will ever
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would ever make a live-action movie of
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this like no one's ever you do a
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shot-for-shot remake and no one is ever
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going to ape these themes and this style
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in this pacing and like the core of this
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no one would let you make a live-action
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really expensive movie with this court
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because the it is it is subtle it's
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nuanced it is lost on a lot of people
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and it's just not broadly appealing
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right it's not it's not a crowd-pleaser
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write this this movie is that crowd
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pleaser except to you know anime fans
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and a lot of them are taking the wrong
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banks from it if you watch this movie
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and really excited by boobs you're not
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you're not getting the message that the
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movie is trying to say if you're right
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there's other sources you could go to
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write right it's not like they can't
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they're never going to make a movie that
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is in any way like this can make another
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movie sort of like a loosely based on
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sure I mean they made blade runner out
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of do androids dream of electric sheep
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and there's like no relation between us
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whatsoever like and they're both really
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interesting and great in their own right
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so I don't I don't begrudge them an
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attempt to make a good movie loosely
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ever has the guts or the financial
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wherewithal to make a live-action movie
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that is either this live-action version
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of this movie or a live-action movie
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like this movie which is a shame because
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I like movies like this i think that i
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think that was probably going to happen
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the greatest danger is that they will
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enough with their interpretation of it
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they will try to stick closer to it than
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they probably should but they'll leave
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out all of the beautiful pieces that
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make it what it is and it will just be a
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mediocre action movie with lots of
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explosions and a half naked woman
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it'll be like the CG version of the
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openings like we're doing the same
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things right here she is getting out of
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bed here she is questioned the doll here
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she is like jumping around like that's
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what that was right you know so little
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they have a scene of her trying to tear
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lid off at anchor arms a break off its
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like that wasn't like you have to build
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the movie like you can also we already
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we have that movie right mentally and I
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think it's fine i like that idea if you
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want to do a shot for shot live-action
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reinterpretation of this i give you
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license to do it go ahead try to do it i
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think it really hard because I think
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this is the beautifully animated movie
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and I think it really hard to be that
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live action but if you want to give it a
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try go ahead but if you if you just do
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the sort of we have to have a scene like
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this we have seen like that like that
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pic the seven iconic scenes in this
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movie put them in the movie the cross
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they're not going to put the scuba scene
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because they don't understand what that
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seems about as sure as hell not gonna
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have a shot through a bunch of goggles
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water droplets on it because i have no
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idea what that was in the movie in the
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first place and it'll just be like you
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made an action movie there's a few
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scenes look familiar to me
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I think it would be worse like I'm i'm
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not a big comic fan but like the
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watchman movie was big about like this
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is like a power from the comic right
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guys right elbow elbow at the very least
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watch Mego has the sin city movies if
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you really value is exactly the same
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thing but it but further get stabbed
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right in the hood it at the very least I
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felt like as someone who is not a big
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comic fan i vaguely understood what the
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watchman comic series was about the
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matically from watching the movie I
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recognize that the movie was diverse
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problems with the movie you know I i can
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understand people who said that is a
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pale shadow of the comic book series
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which I think at this point actually
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have read most of the comic book series
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but like I understand the historical
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context surrounding that comic and how
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you it's not reflected in the movie and
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it's this like kind of like I think the
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watch movies like the best-case scenario
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for a live-action ghost in the shell not
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the worst get that is as good as it's
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ever going to get and just everything
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else is like the worst-case scenario i
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guess is Lucy right where the spirit or
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something like that yeah
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rupert sanders director of snow white
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and the huntsman as his only major
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attached to that ghost in the shell live
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action by the way
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mm but Justin seemed likely nervous
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nervous why and it's ya produced by
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produced by Avi Arad who's the guy
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syracuse a sense tingling former Marvel
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Comics producer guy hit who did the
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spider-man movies so yeah yeah and for
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the TV series i could make a live-action
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TV series like this i think that is an
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easier sell because if you look at the
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the anime TV series one thing we didn't
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mention is that the TV series version of
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ghost in the shell inject humor into
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what the movie is almost entirely
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humorless like it's pretty dark pretty
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grim pretty straightforward the TV
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series has touch Acamas like they had
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their own little spin off things I put a
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little shorts in there I know if you
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watch them that is a big part of the
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series that is it kind of like not like
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the 18 but like section nine jokes with
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each other they have personalities like
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they go on these adventures they solve
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crimes they you know they work out their
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personal issues you know like it is more
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like a very traditional american TV show
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with a bunch of upskirt shots thrown
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into it ends ridiculous outfits for the
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women like so it's got everything bad
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that you would think from japanese
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animation series a lot of the bad stuff
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american series but also a lot of the
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good things and i don't know i worry
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that an American TV version would would
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look a lot like the short-lived TV
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series almost human
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i watch that and I would hope that it
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could be much better because the eat
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just as cast of characters have a guy
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who's like this have a guy like even if
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you just take the broadest cartoon
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outlines of these characters it is a
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nice dynamic within the group and I
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think american shows do sort of ensemble
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uh like honestly this is just a lius at
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that point other than that the cyborg so
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well but anything you have the setting
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this like I said that the the television
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series does take the setting seriously
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and most of their stories like their
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their entire it's not
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monster-of-the-week it's explore
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ramifications of these the world that we
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have drawn typing what like every
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episode we'll explore some ramification
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not as if it's at revelation to the
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people involved but because it's like
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matter of course like up another you
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know cyber brain is hijacked a tank is
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rampaging through the town up this this
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girl had to be transferred into a
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different body and can't handle it like
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it just happens all the time you just
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gotta deal with it but to the view
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it's all new and that that's the
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excitement that I think you know would
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would come through in the television
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series that you have this group of
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people and their leader and they're
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funny little robots and the problems
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they would solve it they would treat the
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matter of factly but it's very
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interesting to you because you're not
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used to this world and i think almost
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human fell down because it was like the
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people in the show was shocked about the
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world deliverance and you lived there
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this is all normal to you it's supposed
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to be shocking to us you can I go I
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robots talking for themselves like
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that's almost internet problems
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yeah but i had dr. McCoy that was good
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it was good it was not that came and his
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wacky wacky robot sidekick drive around
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solving crimes unit thing they're like
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we got rid of the robots but now we're
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bringing them back to makes it to add
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like the fish-out-of-water they might
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have aisles had like one phrase unfrozen
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caveman cop like you're like what you
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woke up we unfroze you guess what we
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have robots in the police now how do you
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Jason ghost in the shell american
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edition Karl Urban is the major are you
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no no its back to Carla organs bought 2i
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will think about it that probably makes
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a lot more sense because I don't really
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want to see Karl Urban wearing that
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outfit with purple hair
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I think he could sell it you should see
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though you should see her hair styles in
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the second season they have like wearing
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this weird sailor suit thing it just
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goes out of control like the only good
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like that's the great thing about
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television series does more of that like
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ridiculous animate things but then her
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expression is stone-cold killer the
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whole time like she just not giggle
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she's not worth anything right but she's
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wearing this outfit is like how to set
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like it they I think they tried to the
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TV series you start to you stop at least
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I started to try to rationalize it in my
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head again head can and stuff like that
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she is playing dress up on herself as a
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doll but like she's basically playing
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with dolls and the dollars herself but
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she still wants to be taken seriously so
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still just completely straight face
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expression all time and no one ever says
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anything about it because no one's gonna
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say anything to the major about anything
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like what are you going to make fun of
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her outfit that's not going to go well
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so that's my rationalization myself and
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you don't even you also really don't
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even get any if any sort of heat from
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any of the other characters that they're
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not like looking at her when she's not
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looking there at that point but by the
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time the TV show rolls around it seems
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like the other characters even bato are
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really not treating her any differently
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because she's female because she's
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this way certainly the gaze of the
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camera and i'm guessing a lot of the
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audience and definitely treat her
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differently but within the the world the
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fiction of the show she is just the
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major and she's just doing her thing and
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they kind of ignore that that extreme is
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trappings which which I appreciated i
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was able to i was able to sort of hand
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wave it away a little bit because
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because nobody else is paying attention
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to it so I was like all right you know
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what I'm not going to either
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yeah it's like the it's like the world
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of Star Trek the world the way star trek
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is supposed to be where hot you know
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they're there is no class structure
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there's no money
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listen you know everyone is like women
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are manageable equal like the characters
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in this setting behave that way always
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right and aside from the vague romantic
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tension between bato and the major that
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is still there in the television series
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does not play it up quite as much
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everybody else is all about business and
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they care about each other and they are
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a team but there is never anything like
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that from anybody for many of our
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superiors the sexual harassment from her
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superiors it's not clot money doing in
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that way it feels so much more future
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worldy then have an American television
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because of the absence of luv
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yes and that's that's what I like so
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much and actually speaking of the
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romantic tension that is something that
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I never really read into it but i think
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that that was for me kind of a personal
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preference headcanon type of a thing
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because it's so rare to see a really
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kick-ass female character existing in
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any kind of media property where she is
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not also an object of affection of
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romantic intent from somebody whether
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it's required or not so for me I found
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this very refreshing that she was a just
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an amazing female character who is doing
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her thing and you know
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yeah she doesn't have a human body but
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she still presents herself as female and
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and that she's not treated any
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differently because of that it's not
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like oh my God look at the girl is doing
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that was really cool and nothing between
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her and bato was overt in anyway so i
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was able to read it as just these are
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two grown-ups that have a very very deep
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affection for each other in a very sort
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of complex relationship and I was able
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to read it and watch it without seeing
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any romantic over
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tones because that's much more
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comfortable for me because it's more
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refreshing and it's different from what
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I'm used to so so I prefer to i prefer
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to not see that and maybe that's also
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you know my doctor who old-school doctor
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who fan coming through
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I don't want hanky-panky the TARDIS I
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don't want hanky-panky in Miami
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what sort of thing is they're they're
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the reason there's tension there is
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there can't be in there two robots
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alright like that they even mentioned i
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think it's a famous in the TV series
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whatever bato asks like why do you why
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do you bother picking a woman like
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michelle for yourself like the men he
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picks the big strong man one like why
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wouldn't your picking a weaker thing and
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for her it's more like a combat
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stylistic choice or whatever but it's
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like there is no gender here speaking
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wise there's no there's no hanky-panky
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going on this stupid robot like nothing
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is going to happen like that is the
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tension the tension is the day they have
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human brains that still feel loved
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but everything else that we relate to
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love is pointless because they're just a
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bunch of their just riding around these
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giant human shape tanks right and that
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is the tension of the series and so if
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you wanted to be like it's not romantic
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tension it is like it's like
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relationship tension the fact that is
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between a man and woman you could put
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them both into bateau shaped things and
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the same tension would be there like it
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that's the challenge is doing to say
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what is a relationship what is romance
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what is love is it just the you know
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mechanical act what if we take that
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mechanic the way does it exist at all
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what if you just have a memory of an
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existing how are you like how are you
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acting it out and I think they have a TV
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series her like sleeping with someone
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sort of and having like cyber brain sex
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or whatever like they try to find ways
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into that like what is the new
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manifestation of these feelings that we
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all have our is it like an evolutionary
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dead end and this is just a pointless
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thing but you can wish it away because
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they don't ever act on it but this
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because they can't act on it just sort
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of like one more underlying sadness to
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battle was always kind of like I did
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terrible things in the war and I rumpled
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and it's kind of like mike from breaking
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bad right like that's his whole thing
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and one more thing is and by the way i'm
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in love with another robot and i myself
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am a robot it's pointless and I hate
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myself for doing it but I do care about
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no like he goes back it you know i don't
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want to run the end of the TV series but
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this there's some bits with the watch in
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there that that illuminate the same
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themes of the series and if you watch
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the second time you will realize that
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they were trying to tell you something
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with the watch and battles actions
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yeah you don't need to watch it you
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don't need to watch it a second time to
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get that if there if you're paying
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attention it's it's pretty clear that
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time when we get to that point that i
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actually saw oh that's that's kind of
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what they're going for every time before
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that when they were interacting and
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there was the tension for me I I just
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character-wise I didn't see them as as
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sort of having that type of affection
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for each other i just thought it was was
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more to kindred he's definitely not for
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each other the major is just I just felt
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like there are two kindred spirits that
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were experiencing sort of this this loss
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of their their humanity and internet
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determine what they were now and and I
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liked that sort of more cerebral side of
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it and and yes it is kind of an
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interesting thing to think about the the
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the fact that you're still going to have
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emotions even though you are inside this
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this great big shell but it didn't
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really hit me very hard until the very
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yeah and it's to like it the backstory
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the eventually get for these is like so
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she was converted you're young and my
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toe is sort of in the armed forces and
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was converted later mostly converted for
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military purposes to be baking Strong's
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converted piecemeal I he is dealing with
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it a fresher wound sort of of leaving
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his humanity behind but she's been doing
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it for a long time and it's different
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kind of more alien and he is kind of
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grasping at her like they're both to
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sort of people drowning in cybernetics
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grasping at each other and I don't know
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why they're not grasping other people
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maybe because they're not full
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conversion cyborgs but like they're
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they're finding each other in this
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wilderness and she's like she is
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disinfected and going off in the movie
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into the realm of like I am transhuman
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I'm just moving on and he is like I have
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these feelings and I remember what it
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was like to be human and I I don't
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understand it and can you help me with
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it was like he's hanging out with her
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like a lost puppy and she's like
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thinking about other things so it is not
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it is not a bi-directional thing about
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how you define it is more unidirectional
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but they do they do lean on each other
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throughout the movie and television
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series done anything else we should talk
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about before we before we wrap it up
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anything else you'd like to hear from
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your your students your subjects I'd
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like to know that you finish the TV
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series and i have a warning that the TV
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series is as i described all the
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episodes follow that format in the
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middle parts of every episode where they
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talk about expedition are just
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impenetrable that's part of why I wanted
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to watch the series of it is very
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challenging in that regard like and i
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liked it i wouldn't say they're
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impenetrable because I i think that
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those sections were really all that kept
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me afloat in some of the some of the
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episodes was the either it in the middle
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or sometimes at the end they'll have
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like a very brief you know couple
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minutes scene where that whatever two
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characters were most involved in the
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plot that they they cracked that episode
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will stand together and talk about it in
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one of them will explain to the other
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one exactly what had happened in the
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episode in case you didn't catch it so I
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i found yes there were definitely some
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impenetrable parts where they're just
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talking about you know this block and in
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that mafia and it and there's just a lot
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of convoluted nonsense columbia mafia
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five is attacking off yeah but i but I
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appreciated those those parts because
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without that I really wouldn't have
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known why they were doing anything and
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in you know in this case I I knew why
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they were doing like 68% it's not artful
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storytelling because there are a lot of
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some things they discuss are important
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and some things aren't and in the time
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that you're hearing you don't know which
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ones are important which ones are which
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is going to be a major group that will
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be an actor throughout this entire
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television series and which I might
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never going to hear about again and
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they're all equal they all seem equally
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nothing and it's not our full story
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telling in the same way the George Lucas
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having people sit down couches and talk
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to each other isn't it's like show me
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don't tell like it is the is the laziest
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way but they only have 30 minutes like
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the format dictates that they want to
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have these set-pieces they want to have
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these events happen
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they got to get a bunch of story and
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really fast and so they have people talk
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to each other without moving the mouse
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real quickly and then move on and the
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ending part explaining like in the end
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blah blah blah blah they're really good
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it is very sort of american television
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series like it was a few darn kids kind
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of exposition and that is much less
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artful than the movie but it has that I
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feel like it has that comfort food
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familiarity of again the a-team or is
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that Miami Vice ride like a sort of
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ensemble crime-solving interesting
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television series that is comfortable to
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just watch one of these 30-minute
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episodes especially the standalone ones
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yeah it's routine it's very procedural
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yeah you know yep but then sometimes
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sometimes you get touchy comas
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yeah I didn't I did not actually care
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for the magic almost that much don't
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know when you over at least favorite
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episode with like the tattoo comas day
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out so that one I was like no i don't
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have done with you talking tanks why
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isn't anyone picking up on how much
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trouble guys are
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hey I see this you should try the if you
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haven't seen the other seasons they get
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they do get progressively worse i have
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to admit first season i think is the
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best the second one is is ok but it's
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kind of derivative and by the time
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you're into solid state society is a
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little bit of a mess and then not by
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understand why they're there they're
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just not there for me so that they not i
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think that when you were eventually
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because they do have some value and then
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finally they do the thing that I love so
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much they remixed and rebooted it they
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have the standalone complex arise which
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is a reimagining of the majors origins
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with a different animation style
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I don't like it as much as this the
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original series but I love seeing them
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go ahead try to tell that story again to
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them redesign the character but have it
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be the same character it's like a you
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know what alternate universe i guess the
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whole yeah Jason tell us about the
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spider vs the different spider-man like
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the same type of thing you're spider-man
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but you're not Peter Parker you are the
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major but you look a little bit
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different and you have an entirely
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different like how can just keep telling
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that story it's like legend of zelda
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this you know there's a new link it's
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the link but no and that's that's
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another thing that's kind of comment to
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and amazed that they don't shy away from
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sort of what we would call the alternate
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universe type stuff you know they'll
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just they'll just do it if they've got
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an idea so you know it doesn't have to
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exist in the realm of fanfic like four
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most cartoons in the United States so I
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always always found that fascinating to
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be able to just watch a different
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version of the same thing that I just
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saw that's mean I think arises like
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three episodes are 62 really short and
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you can watch it and I it's very
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instructive think about in which ways
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this is not successful at the movement
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and tell me stories were like because
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they do so many things very well but so
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many other things like all you missed it
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that's not that the you did you didn't
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get the major that I love and you didn't
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make a new major that I love you just
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kind of have major window dressing
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but you have really interesting
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character designs and like you know it
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I just like seeing people take a
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multiple goes at the same story in the
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same characters two different styles
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different directors different writers
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and see if they can find another angle
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on it and in the way that I imagine
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people like the spider of our stuff
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where if you like spider-man you'll take
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him anyway and get him
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yeah yeah you don't hold too sacred
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Peter Parker you'll say I like the
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spider-man 2 in fact maybe I like the
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spider-man better than the quote-unquote
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real spider-man all the spiders crappy
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forget about that spider-man like
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spider-man that was all black / but this
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one you know what was that guy called
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I don't know integer and you Jason can
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explain that no I think I i love the
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that's that yellow remix other ways of
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tell of looking at a story is that can
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be a lot of fun and I when we talk about
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comic books on the show I mean that's
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one of the things that comes up is that
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the weight of continuity and saying well
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you know we already said it was like
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this versus telling stories that might
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be a little bit different but good
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stories and and so you know taking an
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meet premise and doing something
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different with it and spinning in a
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different way you know give it a try
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might be good might not be but it might
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be i was reminded in arise there's a
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character where they use new to the
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community and skimpy clothing in a
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totally different way in the more
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traditional anime way every time you see
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it you're like seriously seriously this
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is her outfit but it's just it's so
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over-the-top and there is no thematic
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support for it and is not done with a
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higher purpose it is more embarrassing
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than the majors office season one it's
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like how to sneak into the show like how
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do these people get permission to redo
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ghost in the shell do they didn't
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understand what this character in series
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certainly not are there any touching
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comas I i think there are getting
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questions did you did you did you see
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your eyes anybody Tony no I did not I
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did not feel it all straight on I think
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it's enough to think so maybe I'll just
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as I think it's only like three episodes
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is really really short and someone in
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the chatroom said it was for one hour
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episodes I think so yeah I think they
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were talking comas it all kind of blends
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together in a giant going to shell
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Stewart a certain point the only put the
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only part of of any of it through the
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movie or the TV show that actually like
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really really got to me emotionally
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enough to make me cry and i'm not going
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to say what was because it comes kind of
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late was tachikoma related and I yeah I
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was weepy so yep big fan that it didn t
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you guys watch the dubs of like the
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movie or television series the Cubs are
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just awful on this which is a shame
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there were a couple of times when i
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accidentally clicked them the mouse but
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I didn't realize it when the mouse was
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like over my VLC player and it switched
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over to the dumbing briefly kind of like
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a half what's happening you don't make
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it stop it is not good and not just the
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voices don't match but that I think
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they're not good voice actors and I know
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we can and we've said this before John
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you can't I can't judge how good the
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actors are in Japanese like but i can i
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can judge that they are molding in some
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way like they're not mechanically
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reading lines and and characterization
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why's that the main characterization
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thing that drives me nuts is when a
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character does not have a perky feminine
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voice in the japanese one and they give
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her perky them in feminine voice in the
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american one or at least perkier or more
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feminine it's like or same thing with
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the men if a man is gruff and just never
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has an expression and in american money
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sounds like that Brannigan take no
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that's not that's not the character you
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could be saying piglatin it doesn't
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matter you're doing it wrong
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you don't sound like the person and
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that's that that's the worst sinners
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like my bebop of all the dubs that I've
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seen probably commit those sins but it
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is watchable least but the this i cannot
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i can't watch the way I haven't had to
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watch the double this time thing ever
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because i'm not showing it to my kids
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that's the reason why it's not good i
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saw i saw the first
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whatever first part of the movie first
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20 minutes or so in that and then I
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realized I need to not watch that
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anymore because it was awful
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yeah and the good thing is they don't do
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a lot of talking suffering the
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expedition section so you can have a lot
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of talking Maribel and you don't have
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the city tonight look at you just read
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the subtitles you don't look at the
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people sitting on the couch is driving
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who yep relief it's like a comic book
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that talks to you in a language you
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thanks Tony you're welcome you make me
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it makes me like it that much more
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that's what I'm here for I the sound of
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of Japanese is just I find it incredibly
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soothing now just because of so many
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hours watching anime when I was in
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college so it's it feels completely
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wrong to see this style even things that
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are made in the United States in sort of
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an anime style of animation that has jar
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had the Japanese language associated
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with them i have trouble watching that
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because it feels it just seems wrong
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yeah it did the way a visit the couple
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of tropes of the way japanese characters
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speak like the big bad speak slowly and
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a sort of measured monotone tighten in
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Japanese and when i do man American he
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sounds like maniacal or like Vincent
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Price and it's like that you didn't even
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catch the spirit of like that I get
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somehow i give the the Japanese tropes a
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pass because their novel in some way to
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me i like hearing the big bad talking
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that kind of way and I don't accept in
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the u.s. blond cell
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yeah it does it does sort of become
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soothing and exotic and like this
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singsong nonsense that you understand
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every 17th word that of but uh huh
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it's much nicer than the American people
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sounding like they're from a GI Joe
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Carter they just went right over to the
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sound booth and recorded the dub for
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all right I think we've reached the end
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John you can continue to ponder on your
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own what your going to assign next i
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will be doing remedial reading write
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your name on the board in Japanese but
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you still have time for Jason so you
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know you still have to turn in the late
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evening complete this is yeah then
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that'll turn into an outtake in summer
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yeah I think you've got six months to
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submit over here and get a free transfer
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permanent record Jason alright well
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until we meet again for another meeting
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of John Syracuse's and
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one of three perhaps I want to thank my
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guests Tony sindelar thank you for being
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here anytime and Erica and sign thank
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you for watching over things that I
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didn't watch and some of the that it was
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it was an incredible math is what it was
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and John thanks for selecting these
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things i'm sorry didn't watch it all but
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i did i did actually like I got a second
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wind and really get started getting into
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it in the end starting with the series
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so I i think im gonna good i'm going in
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a good direction i think you turned me
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around i give you an e for effort cases
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but everyone else in the class gets an A
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yeah whoo will regret only fair and
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thanks to everybody out there for
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listening you are our auditors you do
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not get a letter grade but you hopefully
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your mind has been expanded and next
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time sign up for your own course
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look in the course catalog for professor
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Syracuse's anime one of not accredited
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no not another university for the
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uncomfortable podcast i have been Jason
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