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248: Most Poetic Sledgehammer


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00:01:03   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:01:07   incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:01:09   smell in this episode we are reconvening [TS]

00:01:11   at long last for another class from [TS]

00:01:15   Professor siracusa who is going to tell [TS]

00:01:18   us about anime and expand and expand our [TS]

00:01:23   minds just as he did in an episode it's [TS]

00:01:28   hard to believe two years ago when John [TS]

00:01:31   assigned perfect blue and millennium [TS]

00:01:34   actress to us he's back now with anime [TS]

00:01:37   102 featuring ghost in the shell the [TS]

00:01:41   film as well as the standalone complex [TS]

00:01:44   TV series [TS]

00:01:46   hello professor siracusa how are you [TS]

00:01:48   tonight you know this whole 101-102 [TS]

00:01:51   course progression thing I think we're [TS]

00:01:53   finding out where your limit is and it's [TS]

00:01:55   actually apparently had one halfway [TS]

00:01:57   through a lot of course 102 [TS]

00:01:59   yeah this is a weed out courses as we've [TS]

00:02:01   just experienced apparently i thought [TS]

00:02:03   this was I knew this would be more [TS]

00:02:04   challenging but I figured the Jason [TS]

00:02:06   would at least make it into one or three [TS]

00:02:07   but now I think Jason is not really his [TS]

00:02:10   future as an army major is a maybe his [TS]

00:02:14   future maybe in the past that's what is [TS]

00:02:16   pretty much auditing this course so that [TS]

00:02:19   voice that you heard as Tony said the [TS]

00:02:21   Lord hi Tony [TS]

00:02:22   I Jason and Erica and sign also is [TS]

00:02:24   enrolled in this class [TS]

00:02:26   well actually I had to test into it so [TS]

00:02:28   I'm just hoping that you got to maybe [TS]

00:02:30   credit that records you put you put [TS]

00:02:32   toward this there's no way we can burn [TS]

00:02:34   this metaphor down what I would say is I [TS]

00:02:36   i anticipated as I did the last time [TS]

00:02:38   being able to watch some of this while I [TS]

00:02:40   was traveling on long airplane five [TS]

00:02:42   flights but it's very difficult to watch [TS]

00:02:43   anime on the airplane because of the [TS]

00:02:45   boobs [TS]

00:02:46   yeah I I thought you're gonna say [TS]

00:02:48   subtitles but that answer is also [TS]

00:02:50   correct units in VR goggles maybe yeah [TS]

00:02:53   whatever i watch this in the food court [TS]

00:02:56   at the mall I didn't have any yahoo that [TS]

00:02:59   I mean the mall that's pretty much lost [TS]

00:03:01   cause anyway who's gonna judge you at [TS]

00:03:03   the mall but I was trapped in the same [TS]

00:03:05   you can get up and leave if you're [TS]

00:03:06   embarrassed an airplane to you you can't [TS]

00:03:09   do that so I idx [TS]

00:03:11   we watch a big chunk of ghost in the [TS]

00:03:13   shell on the plane and then I got to the [TS]

00:03:14   part where at the end where that the [TS]

00:03:16   shirt gets ripped off and I was like [TS]

00:03:18   okay I'm just gonna watch the rest of [TS]

00:03:19   this later [TS]

00:03:20   yeah I didn't watch the movie at the [TS]

00:03:21   mall yeah i watched i watch the movie [TS]

00:03:23   and I i watched two episodes of the TV [TS]

00:03:26   show that's that's that's when I managed [TS]

00:03:28   so that's there you go professor [TS]

00:03:31   you can grade me in getting a d-minus [TS]

00:03:33   who out of 26 what is that you can pick [TS]

00:03:36   not a good what he's talking about [TS]

00:03:38   we're going for a low score right it's [TS]

00:03:40   like golf it's not I mean it's like with [TS]

00:03:42   assigned reading it's not about how much [TS]

00:03:44   of the reading you did [TS]

00:03:45   it's how many pages can you fill in the [TS]

00:03:47   paper that's all that matters how many [TS]

00:03:48   sparknotes yeah so so Jason if you can [TS]

00:03:51   talk for an hour and a half about those [TS]

00:03:53   two episodes you're good nope his [TS]

00:03:56   margins are going to be really really [TS]

00:03:57   wide [TS]

00:03:58   yeah yeah yeah I i should have to him I [TS]

00:04:01   should've bought the cliff notes i'm [TS]

00:04:02   sure i could have done that but it's too [TS]

00:04:04   late now shmoop shmoop we could get some [TS]

00:04:07   scoop some sparknotes get them in their [TS]

00:04:09   monarch notes and I would have us [TS]

00:04:11   believe so John can you explain to us a [TS]

00:04:13   little bit about why you selected this [TS]

00:04:16   for anime 102 also ghost in the shell [TS]

00:04:18   the movie is one of the sort of pillars [TS]

00:04:21   of modern anime high and I think it's a [TS]

00:04:25   a great jumping-off point for two [TS]

00:04:27   reasons one because you want to like [TS]

00:04:29   let's look at this classic that [TS]

00:04:30   everybody talks about to the deuce is so [TS]

00:04:32   influential on so many newish anime fans [TS]

00:04:36   and i think it's interesting because I [TS]

00:04:38   it is in my opinion not really overrated [TS]

00:04:42   like it is correctly rated it's actually [TS]

00:04:44   very very influential and also very good [TS]

00:04:46   and I liked it because there was a TV [TS]

00:04:49   series spin-off and that it provides an [TS]

00:04:53   interesting contrast like you have this [TS]

00:04:54   this a movie that's very popular and [TS]

00:04:56   failure influential how do you turn that [TS]

00:04:57   into a TV series what does that look [TS]

00:04:59   like [TS]

00:05:00   or is it as successful as the movie in [TS]

00:05:02   more ways it has to be different and [TS]

00:05:04   they're both community called ghost in [TS]

00:05:06   the shell and there was a bunch of other [TS]

00:05:07   seasons the television series after that [TS]

00:05:09   but just looking at this influential [TS]

00:05:10   movie and this television series [TS]

00:05:12   spin-off i think is really interesting [TS]

00:05:14   and instructive and I wish you'd watch [TS]

00:05:17   more TV series because this lot of good [TS]

00:05:19   contrast there but even if you know you [TS]

00:05:20   didn't i just the movie itself has a lot [TS]

00:05:23   of stuff to dig into and [TS]

00:05:24   the television series is mostly [TS]

00:05:26   interesting i think in a format contrast [TS]

00:05:29   and thematically covers all the same [TS]

00:05:31   ground is there something about this [TS]

00:05:33   franchise or the film in it specifically [TS]

00:05:37   that made it that made it jump out as [TS]

00:05:40   like compared to other anime that you [TS]

00:05:42   could watch him you have this watch the [TS]

00:05:43   satoshi kon stuff and obviously watched [TS]

00:05:46   a lot of miyazaki which is a totally [TS]

00:05:47   other thing what what you know it what [TS]

00:05:51   makes the stand out from other things i [TS]

00:05:53   think i think from our perspective it's [TS]

00:05:55   just that we are in America and it was [TS]

00:05:57   historically very difficult to get [TS]

00:05:59   japanese animation and once company [TS]

00:06:02   started figuring out that they could [TS]

00:06:04   import this stuff and once it could be [TS]

00:06:07   important to sort of illegally over the [TS]

00:06:08   internet and everything that that it you [TS]

00:06:11   know sort of the anime invasion it's not [TS]

00:06:13   it's not as if like there's it's not as [TS]

00:06:15   if this is you know the first or super [TS]

00:06:18   new or anything like that because you [TS]

00:06:19   know you gotta cure and stuff like that [TS]

00:06:20   process because this this was sort of [TS]

00:06:22   the tip of the spear of the mass [TS]

00:06:23   invasion of anime into American culture [TS]

00:06:25   for like mainstream I mean it's not [TS]

00:06:28   entirely mainstream but it was it was [TS]

00:06:30   more mainstream and it had been in the [TS]

00:06:32   past and I mean and that was basically [TS]

00:06:33   that's about marketing right i mean they [TS]

00:06:35   should they decided this was going to be [TS]

00:06:37   this kind of test case for trying to [TS]

00:06:39   push it and i mean i remember in the [TS]

00:06:40   late nineties you could this was you [TS]

00:06:42   could you could get a ghost in the shell [TS]

00:06:44   at a blockbuster video you could rent it [TS]

00:06:46   right and they didn't they had that in [TS]

00:06:48   the ad acura maybe the head ninja scroll [TS]

00:06:50   and that was it right [TS]

00:06:51   yep and and that was it that's really [TS]

00:06:53   all it took was a few things to sort of [TS]

00:06:56   stand out and I i would I don't know [TS]

00:06:58   what it's like for the Japanese [TS]

00:06:59   perspective but having seen a lot of [TS]

00:07:01   anime mrs. Grose Michelle is good i [TS]

00:07:03   would put it above let's say ninja [TS]

00:07:04   scroll for example but through a few [TS]

00:07:07   companies he gave it a try and i think [TS]

00:07:08   that you know the the internet and the [TS]

00:07:09   trading of fansubs and everything [TS]

00:07:11   surrounding this especially the [TS]

00:07:12   television series afterwards brought a [TS]

00:07:15   japanese animation too much water [TS]

00:07:17   audience in the u.s. so that's why it's [TS]

00:07:19   remember that's that again that's why I [TS]

00:07:20   picked it because you think oh well [TS]

00:07:22   whatever goes and does not actually that [TS]

00:07:23   good just because that's when anime just [TS]

00:07:26   happened to come to the u.s. in a big [TS]

00:07:27   way and I was into anime before ghost in [TS]

00:07:30   the shell and it's you know whatever [TS]

00:07:31   like you would think it would be [TS]

00:07:33   crappy movie but i think it's actually [TS]

00:07:35   great movie and it's kind of a shame [TS]

00:07:37   that it gets sort of looked down upon as [TS]

00:07:39   the sort of thing that came in that [TS]

00:07:42   spread anime to the people who are who [TS]

00:07:44   are really into it so this movie is from [TS]

00:07:47   1995 it struck me immediately that [TS]

00:07:50   before I even looked anything up on [TS]

00:07:53   Wikipedia like in the first 10 minutes i [TS]

00:07:55   thought wow the entire matrix is stolen [TS]

00:08:00   from ghost in the shell [TS]

00:08:02   yeah well I mean I the matrix very [TS]

00:08:07   heavily influenced by japanese animation [TS]

00:08:08   a lot of people who are excited about [TS]

00:08:10   the matrix were excited because there [TS]

00:08:12   had never really been a sort of live [TS]

00:08:15   action anime conversion that was [TS]

00:08:18   remotely interesting or convincing or [TS]

00:08:20   good and this was like well it's not [TS]

00:08:22   live action anime but this is what I [TS]

00:08:23   imagined good live-action anybody would [TS]

00:08:25   be like but yeah there's this old [TS]

00:08:27   nineties sort of cyberpunk you know that [TS]

00:08:31   that that all that that's wasn't [TS]

00:08:32   invented by ghosts Michelle me see tons [TS]

00:08:34   of blade runner inside this and [TS]

00:08:35   everything as well sure yeah i just [TS]

00:08:37   think well yeah you can see the chain of [TS]

00:08:39   the chain of events here right but I [TS]

00:08:42   mean just the visuals the green the [TS]

00:08:44   green or huetter that had a nineties [TS]

00:08:46   zoom in and all that that though it but [TS]

00:08:49   it's like there's stuff in the first 10 [TS]

00:08:51   minutes of this movie that is just it is [TS]

00:08:52   in the matrix the matrix you said that [TS]

00:08:55   that and then I found an article that [TS]

00:08:57   basically said the Wachowskis said that [TS]

00:09:00   we're going to do that we're gonna make [TS]

00:09:01   that and so they made that now would [TS]

00:09:03   that was the matrix am I just it i [TS]

00:09:06   didn't know going in that it was that [TS]

00:09:09   this that this was influential in that [TS]

00:09:11   way but it became readily available like [TS]

00:09:13   really apparent immediately that it was [TS]

00:09:16   yeah and you know i never i didn't [TS]

00:09:18   actually put that together until we [TS]

00:09:20   watching this this time and i have seen [TS]

00:09:22   it a number of times before and I saw [TS]

00:09:24   this well before I saw the matrix and [TS]

00:09:27   somehow still didn't put it together [TS]

00:09:29   watching the matrix the guys just so [TS]

00:09:31   wrapped up in my excitement about the [TS]

00:09:32   matrix that I didn't notice it but yeah [TS]

00:09:34   it's it's very easy to draw a kind of a [TS]

00:09:37   line between between this and the matrix [TS]

00:09:39   and I think it's one of those things [TS]

00:09:41   where I enjoy this so much that of [TS]

00:09:45   course i was going to like the matrix [TS]

00:09:47   I like the matrix so much that of course [TS]

00:09:48   going back to watch this is going to be [TS]

00:09:51   really exciting it's kind of like how [TS]

00:09:52   you know i love the beatles therefore i [TS]

00:09:54   can't really slag off always this all [TS]

00:09:56   that much because it really sounds a lot [TS]

00:09:57   like that because they wanted a really [TS]

00:09:58   really like they liked the Beatles as [TS]

00:10:00   much as you do [TS]

00:10:01   he said maybe more as long as you agree [TS]

00:10:03   that this movie is the beatles this [TS]

00:10:04   analogy I'm fine with ionic we go now [TS]

00:10:08   speaking of the matrix like and they had [TS]

00:10:11   it [TS]

00:10:12   that's actually interesting comparisons [TS]

00:10:13   well because the op-ed influences are [TS]

00:10:15   obvious but i think the sort of world [TS]

00:10:19   context of ghost in the shell is [TS]

00:10:23   actually a really solid found a sci-fi [TS]

00:10:27   foundation for stories that is just a [TS]

00:10:30   well-thought-out and has themes that [TS]

00:10:32   like it a lot of the criticism the ghost [TS]

00:10:34   in shell gets that hits you over the [TS]

00:10:35   head of its pains and I agree it's a [TS]

00:10:37   gigantic sledge hammer hitting you in [TS]

00:10:39   the face repeat like it has themes [TS]

00:10:42   you're going to know them I and but i [TS]

00:10:45   think the the world surrounding this is [TS]

00:10:47   flushed down the TV series can actually [TS]

00:10:49   support all these things because it hits [TS]

00:10:52   you over things like yeah okay we get it [TS]

00:10:54   robots people whatever ghost yeah I get [TS]

00:10:55   it but you don't really get it because [TS]

00:10:57   everything that they're subtle things in [TS]

00:11:00   the movie which will go through and a [TS]

00:11:01   bit and in a television series that [TS]

00:11:03   continue to throw the realities of the [TS]

00:11:06   setting back in your face in ways that [TS]

00:11:07   surprise you because you will settle in [TS]

00:11:09   to start thinking of this as a police [TS]

00:11:11   procedural or an action movie or [TS]

00:11:13   whatever and you'd be like oh oh yeah [TS]

00:11:15   that's what generally being with me I [TS]

00:11:17   forgot about that and the television [TS]

00:11:19   series of us a over several seasons did [TS]

00:11:22   that and the movie I think throughout [TS]

00:11:24   its entire running time continues to [TS]

00:11:26   tweak you with its premise and setting [TS]

00:11:28   making you look at it from a different [TS]

00:11:30   angle and realize all the ramifications [TS]

00:11:32   in it in a way that makes you [TS]

00:11:34   uncomfortable and I think that type of [TS]

00:11:36   thing is beyond the realm of what the [TS]

00:11:39   matrix was interested in doing matrix [TS]

00:11:41   head it's one twisted wanted to do and I [TS]

00:11:43   wanted to be cool and it it took away it [TS]

00:11:45   took away from this movie The the sort [TS]

00:11:48   of mainstream more palatable exciting [TS]

00:11:50   things guns [TS]

00:11:52   fighting robot computers pakery type [TS]

00:11:57   stuff but didn't really want to [TS]

00:11:59   challenge you too much with the with the [TS]

00:12:02   sort of a real-world hard sci-fi [TS]

00:12:04   implications and instead went to a more [TS]

00:12:06   sort of spiritual mumbo-jumbo thing [TS]

00:12:08   especially in later movies [TS]

00:12:10   yeah I'd seen that I'd seen the film [TS]

00:12:11   many many times but this that the [TS]

00:12:14   standalone complex was new to me in [TS]

00:12:16   preparation for this episode I thought [TS]

00:12:17   it was kind of this neat in that it's [TS]

00:12:18   basically this police procedural but set [TS]

00:12:21   in this fully fleshed-out cyberpunk [TS]

00:12:23   world with all these rules and mechanics [TS]

00:12:25   that were I thought pretty consistently [TS]

00:12:28   applied across all the episodes that in [TS]

00:12:29   a very convincing world-building kind of [TS]

00:12:31   way so I enjoyed it [TS]

00:12:33   in fact I mean I don't want to jump [TS]

00:12:34   ahead to the show yet but but i did when [TS]

00:12:36   i got to the end of the movie i [TS]

00:12:37   immediately thought oh a show set in [TS]

00:12:40   this world makes a lot of sense like I [TS]

00:12:42   see in fact in some in some ways I felt [TS]

00:12:45   like a show set in this world without [TS]

00:12:50   you know standalone episodes as well as [TS]

00:12:52   a you know I'm an overarching story like [TS]

00:12:54   I think maybe that makes more sense to [TS]

00:12:57   me then the movie because the movie is [TS]

00:12:59   trying to tell this big thing and I have [TS]

00:13:01   some criticisms of of the of the way the [TS]

00:13:03   movie does it but I thought immediately [TS]

00:13:04   this is a really rich world that would [TS]

00:13:06   really benefit from having time to [TS]

00:13:09   explore it which is what the show does [TS]

00:13:11   and having only seen a couple of the [TS]

00:13:12   most like that yeah this it's like this [TS]

00:13:16   is exactly what I what I envisioned so I [TS]

00:13:19   I ran out of time I did not watch them [TS]

00:13:22   because i didn't like them because i [TS]

00:13:23   actually once i started watching the [TS]

00:13:25   episodes i thought oh this is really a [TS]

00:13:27   lot of fun and I and I like totally get [TS]

00:13:30   what they're what they're going for you [TS]

00:13:32   know one of the ways that Professor [TS]

00:13:33   Syracuse's anime 102 is a little bit [TS]

00:13:35   different from other courses here on [TS]

00:13:36   campus is that it has a sponsor and that [TS]

00:13:39   sponsor is mail route imagine a world [TS]

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00:13:44   imagine opening your email and seeing [TS]

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00:13:49   this a daily reality in fact here this [TS]

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00:15:00   sponsorship now back to the professor [TS]

00:15:02   and his course I guess we'll start with [TS]

00:15:05   the opening scene because i think this [TS]

00:15:06   is this the themes in the opening scene [TS]

00:15:09   repeated throughout the entire movie in [TS]

00:15:10   a way that I think people who are [TS]

00:15:12   familiar with the movie take for granted [TS]

00:15:15   and even myself like I mean I've seen [TS]

00:15:17   this movie a million times and [TS]

00:15:18   rewatching it again twice for this [TS]

00:15:19   podcast the two times I thought it was [TS]

00:15:21   imminent [TS]

00:15:22   I'm struck by how I didn't have things [TS]

00:15:25   that for granted to come back to me as [TS]

00:15:26   fresh but one of the things I've always [TS]

00:15:29   thought about this movie is the opening [TS]

00:15:30   you mentioned the boobs earlier [TS]

00:15:31   beginning and at the end but really not [TS]

00:15:34   in the middle there's a long boobless [TS]

00:15:37   stretch here at boobs are staple of [TS]

00:15:39   anime they're there they're bouncing [TS]

00:15:42   they're going to be in the movies and [TS]

00:15:44   most of the time they're in anime [TS]

00:15:46   they're going to be there for you for [TS]

00:15:47   the expected reasons because it targeted [TS]

00:15:50   at hot men and they like to see boobs [TS]

00:15:52   fanservice you know that is the usual [TS]

00:15:56   reason you see naked women or scantily [TS]

00:15:59   clad women or whatever in anime and this [TS]

00:16:02   movie opens with the scene with the [TS]

00:16:05   major on top of the building eventually [TS]

00:16:07   she swoops down the building shoots [TS]

00:16:09   through a wall and kill somebody or [TS]

00:16:10   whatever but as part of that sequence [TS]

00:16:11   she takes off our clothes and you're [TS]

00:16:13   like oh here we go again [TS]

00:16:15   roll like dude you gotta have your your [TS]

00:16:17   feminine hero even if she is a tough [TS]

00:16:21   secret agent type person or if she's a [TS]

00:16:23   cyborg course she's gonna take off her [TS]

00:16:24   clothes and wear skimpy outfits like [TS]

00:16:26   it's just you have to do it right but [TS]

00:16:29   even before they get to that there was [TS]

00:16:30   one of the first exchanges and the movie [TS]

00:16:32   is there talking to her over the headset [TS]

00:16:34   and this is some static in your brain or [TS]

00:16:35   whatever and she says it's that time of [TS]

00:16:37   month same type of thing you're thinking [TS]

00:16:38   of another eye roll like these women and [TS]

00:16:42   their time of month right and it seems [TS]

00:16:45   to be your typical sort of sexist anime [TS]

00:16:48   fair but all that stuff is done type [TS]

00:16:51   whether it's done with the purpose movie [TS]

00:16:53   or i'm projecting onto the people i [TS]

00:16:55   really truly want to believe that they [TS]

00:16:57   were doing this consciously I and not [TS]

00:17:00   just for the reasons at that we expect [TS]

00:17:03   them to do it because hey we got to have [TS]

00:17:04   a naked one we're gonna have around the [TS]

00:17:05   cover [TS]

00:17:06   we're gonna have her stay here time bunt [TS]

00:17:08   I really have to think we and it is [TS]

00:17:10   borne out i think but a television [TS]

00:17:11   series being an intelligent the world [TS]

00:17:12   being very interesting and complicated [TS]

00:17:14   this is done with the purpose that is [TS]

00:17:16   counter to the normal purpose why she's [TS]

00:17:19   saying it's that time about it when you [TS]

00:17:20   just start the movie you have no idea [TS]

00:17:21   you have no context for that you think [TS]

00:17:23   it's just a silly joke a woman's expense [TS]

00:17:25   as the movie goes on you realize she has [TS]

00:17:26   no time of month she's a full side bar [TS]

00:17:29   is full conversion cyborg that then it [TS]

00:17:31   becomes like okay we're just making a [TS]

00:17:33   joke but it's kind of like a sex joke [TS]

00:17:34   right so why she naked [TS]

00:17:36   well there you know there's an inn story [TS]

00:17:38   reason for that is negative because [TS]

00:17:39   that's how her thermoptic camouflage [TS]

00:17:41   work so how convenient your camouflage [TS]

00:17:43   only works when you're completely naked [TS]

00:17:44   right which you said you you made an in [TS]

00:17:47   story reason to get your heroine naked [TS]

00:17:49   immediately there's gotta be some hurts [TS]

00:17:51   that you think but the other reason is [TS]

00:17:52   that it throughout the entire movie the [TS]

00:17:55   major is naked frequently and I i think [TS]

00:17:58   there is an in-store reason for that as [TS]

00:18:00   well and has to do with the major [TS]

00:18:02   challenging the people around her to see [TS]

00:18:05   her as anything other than a machine [TS]

00:18:06   she's like daring them to say bitches do [TS]

00:18:10   you look at me as a machine or am I a [TS]

00:18:13   woman I and her nakedness in this in [TS]

00:18:16   this first scene is you know you're [TS]

00:18:18   expecting the audience looking at always [TS]

00:18:19   it's a naked woman and isn't that [TS]

00:18:21   exciting a naked woman shooting people [TS]

00:18:23   right exciting and titillating right but [TS]

00:18:26   as the movie goes on you realize is that [TS]

00:18:28   a naked woman or is it a machine shaped [TS]

00:18:30   like a woman that needs to be in this [TS]

00:18:32   configuration for camouflage purposes [TS]

00:18:34   like it [TS]

00:18:35   the major is sort of spiritual struggle [TS]

00:18:37   throughout this entire thing with you [TS]

00:18:39   know her ghost and everything is how [TS]

00:18:41   does what is her conception of herself [TS]

00:18:43   mystery woman or is she a machine and I [TS]

00:18:45   guess the theme by keeping her over the [TS]

00:18:46   head with this movie but every part of [TS]

00:18:48   the movie is challenging everybody [TS]

00:18:50   around her [TS]

00:18:51   this character in the movie and the [TS]

00:18:52   audience to revisit that question [TS]

00:18:54   because it's so easy to slip back into [TS]

00:18:56   thinking you're just watching an [TS]

00:18:57   animated movie of a woman and i don't [TS]

00:18:59   know how many times you have to watch [TS]

00:19:00   this movie to start looking from that [TS]

00:19:02   angle but it always seems obvious to me [TS]

00:19:04   that her nakedness throughout this movie [TS]

00:19:07   and in the credits sequence which starts [TS]

00:19:08   with something that looks like a robot [TS]

00:19:10   and ends with something looks like a [TS]

00:19:11   woman challenging you to say we just [TS]

00:19:13   showed you the steps it starts with a [TS]

00:19:14   bunch of metal and ends with a woman why [TS]

00:19:16   you're looking at that as a woman you [TS]

00:19:17   just saw how we built that we built it [TS]

00:19:19   out of metal right we showed you how the [TS]

00:19:21   movies are made now how do you feel [TS]

00:19:23   I don't know if anyone else got that [TS]

00:19:24   from that sequencer you just looked at [TS]

00:19:25   it with an eye roll instead of making [TS]

00:19:27   women i think that this movie does a [TS]

00:19:28   really good job of sort of having it [TS]

00:19:30   both ways because you're you're [TS]

00:19:31   absolutely right that's the staple of [TS]

00:19:33   animes is to have the boobs the pretty [TS]

00:19:35   girls and stuff like that and I I really [TS]

00:19:38   looked at it very much the same way that [TS]

00:19:39   you did John in that you know she is [TS]

00:19:43   this creature who is you know one either [TS]

00:19:46   one thing or the other [TS]

00:19:48   maybe both we don't know and she she has [TS]

00:19:50   chosen this form and that was the thing [TS]

00:19:52   that I kept coming back to throughout [TS]

00:19:53   both the movie and the TV show where you [TS]

00:19:55   everyone will get a really sort of [TS]

00:19:57   gratuitous shot and I think that that [TS]

00:19:58   happened probably more in the TV show [TS]

00:20:00   that that you know it would just can't [TS]

00:20:04   take me right out of it for a second and [TS]

00:20:05   then I'd be like wait a minute this is [TS]

00:20:07   all complete artifice I mean this isn't [TS]

00:20:10   just the pretty girl using her [TS]

00:20:11   prettiness to to distract the bad guys [TS]

00:20:14   this is a person choosing this shell [TS]

00:20:17   that is you know has ABS you know maybe [TS]

00:20:20   it doesn't look like heard about maybe [TS]

00:20:21   she wasn't even female to start with we [TS]

00:20:23   don't know and and I find it fascinating [TS]

00:20:25   to kind of like take a step back and [TS]

00:20:27   think about it from that from that [TS]

00:20:29   perspective so I I maybe it's also just [TS]

00:20:32   me perspective projecting because i want [TS]

00:20:35   to think that they did this on purpose [TS]

00:20:36   but i think that it was it was just sort [TS]

00:20:38   of an artfully done [TS]

00:20:40   way to include all of the things that [TS]

00:20:42   you need to have a successful film [TS]

00:20:44   especially in 1995 but to make some [TS]

00:20:48   commentary on that for you know in a [TS]

00:20:51   subtle way for the people who are going [TS]

00:20:52   to recognize it as such [TS]

00:20:54   yeah I think they're taking the kind of [TS]

00:20:55   standard tropes that we would expect in [TS]

00:20:57   that and subverting them basically yeah [TS]

00:21:00   the contrast between to tell I think [TS]

00:21:01   you're totally right the television [TS]

00:21:03   series says okay we're gonna have some [TS]

00:21:05   underwear upskirt shots like we're just [TS]

00:21:07   we're just gonna do it right they ran [TS]

00:21:09   out of subversion for the team right [TS]

00:21:11   you should see the output she was in [TS]

00:21:12   later seasons like it's obviously [TS]

00:21:14   they're gonna have that but i think the [TS]

00:21:15   movie plays it straight pretty much [TS]

00:21:17   entirely like every seen it there's a [TS]

00:21:20   there's an inn story explanation or [TS]

00:21:21   thematic explanation of why is this [TS]

00:21:24   character doing this and it not that all [TS]

00:21:26   my notes are about making this but [TS]

00:21:28   helped a lot of them are like it's not [TS]

00:21:29   going so in the scene when she wakes up [TS]

00:21:31   in our department not another iconic [TS]

00:21:33   scene in the movie she gets up he opens [TS]

00:21:35   a window she gets out of bed walks gets [TS]

00:21:38   on our jacket and walks out of the room [TS]

00:21:39   that scene you know waking up in the [TS]

00:21:42   morning [TS]

00:21:43   it didn't have a shower sequence which [TS]

00:21:45   if you've seen a lot of anime is [TS]

00:21:46   surprising how you had a woman wake up [TS]

00:21:48   and you didn't show me take her taking a [TS]

00:21:50   shower how how did she get clean the [TS]

00:21:52   more she doesn't get clean she doesn't [TS]

00:21:53   need to hurt a little bit we see it [TS]

00:21:55   right you know she doesn't mean that's [TS]

00:21:57   what she does that's all anyway [TS]

00:21:58   different movie and she should they show [TS]

00:22:02   her waking up without cutting away she [TS]

00:22:04   walks into another room she walks back [TS]

00:22:06   out with her jacket on she's done [TS]

00:22:07   that's her morning routine she doesn't [TS]

00:22:09   need to do anything else is trying to [TS]

00:22:10   say she's not human to get it cuz you've [TS]

00:22:14   got to focus on the human a point is [TS]

00:22:16   made that he is not cybernetic that she [TS]

00:22:17   wanted him on the squad because he isn't [TS]

00:22:20   cybernetic muon different point of view [TS]

00:22:22   eventually you have her driving with no [TS]

00:22:23   hands talking about her mouth moving all [TS]

00:22:25   staples of this universe but surprising [TS]

00:22:27   to begin with when she fights that guy [TS]

00:22:29   that the guy they're chasing around she [TS]

00:22:31   fights some of the big pool of water or [TS]

00:22:33   whatever at the end of that scene she's [TS]

00:22:36   standing over him having knocked him out [TS]

00:22:38   she's completely naked bateau is there [TS]

00:22:40   with her and he's looking at the gun [TS]

00:22:42   saying you're using the wrong ammunition [TS]

00:22:43   for this gun you're running the muscle [TS]

00:22:44   which is in character for him but he [TS]

00:22:46   doesn't care that she's naked behind him [TS]

00:22:47   and you know it's like again her being [TS]

00:22:50   naked is partly for the camouflage but [TS]

00:22:53   why why she [TS]

00:22:54   just standing there completely naked she [TS]

00:22:55   could get her clothes back on but she's [TS]

00:22:56   like would say he he actually there's a [TS]

00:22:58   scene right after that where he does [TS]

00:22:59   cover her i'm now that's what you're [TS]

00:23:00   saying so I think he does care she [TS]

00:23:02   certainly doesn't write somebody that's [TS]

00:23:04   all think that's the interaction between [TS]

00:23:05   the two of them she is daring him to [TS]

00:23:08   view her as anything other than a [TS]

00:23:09   machine and during the combat he's [TS]

00:23:11   intentionally looking at the gun and [TS]

00:23:12   saying okay well i'm i'm not going to [TS]

00:23:14   during working times you know i'm not [TS]

00:23:17   going to do that but then he does come [TS]

00:23:19   over and put a jack why you putting a [TS]

00:23:21   job it's like putting a jacket over your [TS]

00:23:22   motorcycle you know what I mean like it [TS]

00:23:24   in one respect for the other respect [TS]

00:23:26   that shows it like there's a romantic [TS]

00:23:28   tension between these two characters [TS]

00:23:29   movies very subtle sort of crouching [TS]

00:23:30   tiger hidden dragon kind of unrequited [TS]

00:23:32   tip of the tension is there because [TS]

00:23:34   they're both machines right so how do [TS]

00:23:36   these to dance around the fact that they [TS]

00:23:39   have these feelings for each other but [TS]

00:23:40   they're both full conversion cyborgs and [TS]

00:23:43   treat each other like coworkers [TS]

00:23:45   but at a certain point he still because [TS]

00:23:46   they were once human rights still feels [TS]

00:23:48   compelled to put the jacket over it [TS]

00:23:49   happens multiple times where it's some [TS]

00:23:52   points [TS]

00:23:53   she's being treated as a person at other [TS]

00:23:55   points you've been treated like a [TS]

00:23:57   passenger in a woman shape tank one of [TS]

00:24:00   my favorite scenes in the entire movie [TS]

00:24:02   if not my favorite scene is when she's [TS]

00:24:04   diving and she and she sinks to the [TS]

00:24:08   bottom that's mine too [TS]

00:24:09   I i really enjoy that because that that [TS]

00:24:12   is the movie saying she's not human [TS]

00:24:15   she sinks to the bottom I i really like [TS]

00:24:18   that and then she comes back out and has [TS]

00:24:20   the conversation and that that that is [TS]

00:24:22   that scene is entirely about what it [TS]

00:24:26   means to be human or not human because [TS]

00:24:28   he's asking why do you even do this at [TS]

00:24:33   and and especially since you don't [TS]

00:24:34   really you know [TS]

00:24:35   float like a human being you have to use [TS]

00:24:38   kind of assistance to float i think that [TS]

00:24:42   is a fascinating scene and she's wearing [TS]

00:24:44   she's wearing clothes in that scene john [TS]

00:24:46   but it is the same themes exactly the [TS]

00:24:49   same as the same challenge though I get [TS]

00:24:51   that CD she's wearing clothes but here's [TS]

00:24:52   the check them off it when she gets back [TS]

00:24:54   about right and and he and he averts his [TS]

00:24:56   eyes when she's getting address he turns [TS]

00:24:58   his back why you turning your back now [TS]

00:24:59   but you weren't then you didn't get a [TS]

00:25:01   different context but their challenge at [TS]

00:25:02   that point is this is what are you going [TS]

00:25:03   to do if the floaty things stopped [TS]

00:25:04   working [TS]

00:25:05   any and and she goes would you dive in [TS]

00:25:07   after me like a challenge [TS]

00:25:10   would you know well do you love me or [TS]

00:25:12   not like what you're diving after me no [TS]

00:25:13   one forced you to come right [TS]

00:25:15   like am I person or thing it's her [TS]

00:25:16   constant challenging of bat-toad [TS]

00:25:19   specifically about the nature of their [TS]

00:25:21   relationship and the nature of their [TS]

00:25:23   being and they're both being converted [TS]

00:25:24   cyborgs and i think the the contrast is [TS]

00:25:26   this is much better in the movie than in [TS]

00:25:28   the television series with television [TS]

00:25:29   series all the conventional in the [TS]

00:25:30   movies [TS]

00:25:31   that's always got you no artificial eyes [TS]

00:25:34   that don't look like eyes look like [TS]

00:25:35   little silver discs but his little [TS]

00:25:37   silver circles are much more expressive [TS]

00:25:40   in human than her big giant beautiful [TS]

00:25:43   eyes because her big giant beautiful [TS]

00:25:45   eyes my doll's eyes right they look [TS]

00:25:47   completely inhuman whereas the express [TS]

00:25:49   the expressiveness of his tiny little [TS]

00:25:50   gray circles are so much greater really [TS]

00:25:53   mean that it's it's a it's got to be [TS]

00:25:55   intentional it's a fairly good feat of [TS]

00:25:57   subtle animation technique to show her [TS]

00:26:00   to show her sort of sidebar bodies being [TS]

00:26:03   somehow more inhuman them back toes even [TS]

00:26:05   though they're both full conversions [TS]

00:26:07   it's highlighting that the relationship [TS]

00:26:11   between two of them which they don't [TS]

00:26:12   speak a lot of lines that you have [TS]

00:26:13   lessons together is very subtle [TS]

00:26:15   especially in the end the Hollywood sort [TS]

00:26:18   of pantheon of these type of [TS]

00:26:19   relationships where they were [TS]

00:26:21   this is something they don't hit you [TS]

00:26:22   over the head with i can imagine lots of [TS]

00:26:23   people got into anime watch home movies [TS]

00:26:24   and did not understand the relationship [TS]

00:26:26   between these two at all that scene is [TS]

00:26:28   actually that's also my favorite scene [TS]

00:26:30   it's just indelibly etched in my memory [TS]

00:26:32   from the very first time i watched this [TS]

00:26:34   movie back in like 1996-97 whenever we [TS]

00:26:37   got it for the first time and I think it [TS]

00:26:40   i mean it is kind of a sledgehammer he [TS]

00:26:42   seen you know we're talking about the [TS]

00:26:44   themes that this movie has because this [TS]

00:26:45   is I think the most blatant that it's [TS]

00:26:47   it's sort of stated talking about [TS]

00:26:49   whether you know is she human or not you [TS]

00:26:51   know her her speech about if they get [TS]

00:26:54   called to duty she can metabolize all [TS]

00:26:56   the alcohol in her system within 10 [TS]

00:26:57   seconds or whatever it is but I think [TS]

00:27:00   it's it is so poets the most poetic [TS]

00:27:02   sledgehammer that I've ever been hit [TS]

00:27:04   over the head with so it doesn't bother [TS]

00:27:05   me [TS]

00:27:06   yeah I have the CNMI notes as well for [TS]

00:27:07   one specific reason [TS]

00:27:09   the a particular part of this scene [TS]

00:27:12   where she comes up from the surface with [TS]

00:27:14   her little floaty things and looks at [TS]

00:27:17   the sky through her goggles with the [TS]

00:27:19   water droplets on them as the clouds [TS]

00:27:20   drift by that particular moment is sort [TS]

00:27:24   of what if I had to like you know sort [TS]

00:27:26   of file anime away and my brain under [TS]

00:27:29   particular thing that particular moment [TS]

00:27:30   is my my defining characteristic of all [TS]

00:27:33   the enemy that I love it's it's [TS]

00:27:35   basically a recurring motif and a lot of [TS]

00:27:37   my favorite anime and probably in [TS]

00:27:38   Japanese culture in general as far as i [TS]

00:27:39   can tell duelling on the fine details of [TS]

00:27:42   sensory experiences particularly those [TS]

00:27:45   involving the interaction between the [TS]

00:27:46   man weird world in the natural there are [TS]

00:27:48   moments like that in a lot of anime a [TS]

00:27:51   lot of my favorite anime a couple [TS]

00:27:53   examples I I thought over the notes over [TS]

00:27:54   like at the beginning kiki's delivery [TS]

00:27:56   service where she's sitting on the hill [TS]

00:27:57   with the wind blowing the radio playing [TS]

00:27:59   they dwell on that because it is a [TS]

00:28:02   century experience that we can relate to [TS]

00:28:03   i don't think you ever ever been scuba [TS]

00:28:05   diving or gun diving with a mask or [TS]

00:28:07   anything that that thing of looking [TS]

00:28:10   through a mask with water droplet time [TS]

00:28:12   to the rest of the world and feeling [TS]

00:28:13   like you are inside but you're really [TS]

00:28:14   outside like you're looking through a [TS]

00:28:16   window out onto the rest of the world [TS]

00:28:17   that's a real feeling that I've had and [TS]

00:28:19   they captured in this movie in like [TS]

00:28:21   whispered the hard they showed the slow [TS]

00:28:23   start of a rainstorm on on a city they [TS]

00:28:26   do on that for a long time if you watch [TS]

00:28:28   anything by makoto shinkai the sounds of [TS]

00:28:31   the summer insects are like a theme of [TS]

00:28:33   his movies because obviously something [TS]

00:28:34   had a big influence on him those type of [TS]

00:28:37   scenes like what what makes anime [TS]

00:28:38   different than regular movies and i [TS]

00:28:39   would say aside from all the animation [TS]

00:28:41   and the ninjas in the robots and boobs [TS]

00:28:44   it's the table in any one of these [TS]

00:28:46   movies even with ninjas robots and boobs [TS]

00:28:48   they will put a scene like this where [TS]

00:28:50   you're looking through the lens of your [TS]

00:28:51   thing with with the water droplets on it [TS]

00:28:53   that will resonate with at least with me [TS]

00:28:56   at a deeper level then I mean maybe how [TS]

00:28:59   people feel when they watch terrence [TS]

00:29:00   malick things are like other you know [TS]

00:29:02   live-action directors of quote-unquote [TS]

00:29:04   serious movies the japanese animation [TS]

00:29:06   always speaks to me because every movie [TS]

00:29:08   will have some small scene like that and [TS]

00:29:10   when one of them hits home that really [TS]

00:29:11   hits home and it just adds a whole new [TS]

00:29:13   layer to a movie that involves cyborgs [TS]

00:29:16   and tanks but watching a movie I'll and [TS]

00:29:18   perhaps I was meant to feel this way but [TS]

00:29:20   I was really confused about what her [TS]

00:29:22   what the majors story was whether she [TS]

00:29:25   was and yeah again this is the theme but [TS]

00:29:27   whether she was once human or always [TS]

00:29:30   synthetic and i don't know if i missed [TS]

00:29:32   that or what but I had this whole [TS]

00:29:34   question of like I don't even know what [TS]

00:29:36   her deal is is she a robot is she a part [TS]

00:29:39   person part robot she seems entirely [TS]

00:29:43   sympathetic and yet there's this [TS]

00:29:44   question of did she start out as a human [TS]

00:29:46   being or not and i think that's the [TS]

00:29:48   setting of the story suggests that this [TS]

00:29:50   is what's been happening to everybody [TS]

00:29:52   everybody has this opportunity to be [TS]

00:29:53   mostly or entirely sympathetic but I it [TS]

00:29:56   was one of those things that confused me [TS]

00:29:58   like I didn't I I wasn't sure whether it [TS]

00:30:00   was meant to be a question or whether i [TS]

00:30:03   just totally missed it [TS]

00:30:05   you must go get answered but but only [TS]

00:30:07   kind of in very briefly in passing but I [TS]

00:30:11   mean it [TS]

00:30:11   there's that scene in the elevator we're [TS]

00:30:14   seeing back to have another kind of you [TS]

00:30:16   know chat and you know she kind of she [TS]

00:30:19   is asking that question you know out [TS]

00:30:20   loud kind of to the audience and bateau [TS]

00:30:23   cuz i guess kind of plays the role of [TS]

00:30:25   storyteller but it's just taking it out [TS]

00:30:27   that they're there is it there is a [TS]

00:30:28   small organic part of you that is the [TS]

00:30:29   the human part of you so you know as far [TS]

00:30:32   as we know she is she's originally a [TS]

00:30:35   human we don't really get her backstory [TS]

00:30:37   here or in all 26 episodes that i [TS]

00:30:40   watched over eventually should do we get [TS]

00:30:42   a little be explicitly stated ok [TS]

00:30:45   attending that the elevator seem like [TS]

00:30:47   he's basically says that it does this by [TS]

00:30:49   the way Jason is another staple of anime [TS]

00:30:51   they will be a complicated setting and [TS]

00:30:53   premise and it will not be explained to [TS]

00:30:55   you and it goes to the shell that the [TS]

00:30:57   television series and movies are perhaps [TS]

00:30:59   the most egregious because they have [TS]

00:31:00   incredibly complicated machinations of [TS]

00:31:03   like the the political political [TS]

00:31:04   intrigue in the end that the world [TS]

00:31:06   history how many wars have been what [TS]

00:31:09   countries are there the democracy of the [TS]

00:31:10   dictatorships who is how does the [TS]

00:31:12   government were like they don't tell you [TS]

00:31:13   anything just expected to figure it out [TS]

00:31:15   and takes like it's it's like you know [TS]

00:31:17   take your tailor soldier spy ER Syria or [TS]

00:31:19   any other movies you have to watch nine [TS]

00:31:21   times to get all the details like that [TS]

00:31:22   that is a stable that's why this is one [TS]

00:31:24   or two because it isn't [TS]

00:31:25   the dense but they did this movie to do [TS]

00:31:27   say she's got a flesh-and-blood [TS]

00:31:29   blood-brain and later in the series the [TS]

00:31:32   television series emphasize the fact [TS]

00:31:33   like it there's one part of you that is [TS]

00:31:35   you it is your brain which is this a [TS]

00:31:37   pretty solid foundation for that being [TS]

00:31:38   the case and it's a flesh-and-blood [TS]

00:31:40   thing and it's enhancing cybernetic and [TS]

00:31:42   so on and so forth but basically if [TS]

00:31:43   someone squishes that brain part you are [TS]

00:31:45   dead and you're gone [TS]

00:31:46   yeah and they actually in the TV show [TS]

00:31:47   they also did deal with the fact that [TS]

00:31:50   she had to become fully converted much [TS]

00:31:52   younger than perhaps that she just then [TS]

00:31:54   it's recommended so that's part of part [TS]

00:31:56   of her backstory and why she struggles a [TS]

00:31:58   little bit and the credit sequence did [TS]

00:32:00   you watch the credits sequence to the [TS]

00:32:01   television show Jason I watched both of [TS]

00:32:04   them [TS]

00:32:04   yes yes i do you remember the part where [TS]

00:32:06   she she's is having a dream i think [TS]

00:32:09   where she's holding a doll and her [TS]

00:32:11   cybernetic hand but she can't control [TS]

00:32:12   her cybernetic and it destroys the [TS]

00:32:15   dollars the doll [TS]

00:32:15   no yeah that that is these are all [TS]

00:32:17   underpinnings of write their backstories [TS]

00:32:20   review i forget if it's into season one [TS]

00:32:21   or season to it and moves on but that [TS]

00:32:23   did she was converted very young and [TS]

00:32:26   that she had to learn to control these [TS]

00:32:27   cybernetic bodies and that it took some [TS]

00:32:30   getting any of the shows like how do you [TS]

00:32:32   become the major how does someone become [TS]

00:32:33   this person well she's very elevated [TS]

00:32:35   alienated growing up she didn't grow up [TS]

00:32:37   like a regular person I and has always [TS]

00:32:40   felt like I had identity issues [TS]

00:32:43   Who am I am I person am I machine how am [TS]

00:32:46   i different than everybody else that you [TS]

00:32:48   know am i worthy of love how do i have [TS]

00:32:50   some identity outside of the different [TS]

00:32:52   bodies that I can inhabit you know all [TS]

00:32:54   the rest of the themes of the movie I [TS]

00:32:55   don't want to put too much but I mean we [TS]

00:32:57   can you help us look at two different [TS]

00:32:59   openings of of the TV series there's [TS]

00:33:02   like the original opening and then the [TS]

00:33:03   replacement opening and one of them is [TS]

00:33:05   like in the animation style and the [TS]

00:33:07   other one is like CGI yeah that's just [TS]

00:33:09   something I I personally really enjoy i [TS]

00:33:11   like remixes of songs that I like and I [TS]

00:33:13   like the idea that you know opening [TS]

00:33:16   sequences of anime series are in and a [TS]

00:33:18   big thing and an anime TV series [TS]

00:33:21   specifically that a lot of the time you [TS]

00:33:23   can eat you'll see an opening sequence [TS]

00:33:25   you know 30 second song and a bunch of [TS]

00:33:26   animation it's clear they spend more [TS]

00:33:28   money in that opening sequence than the [TS]

00:33:29   first three episodes combined based on [TS]

00:33:31   the animation quality so there was a lot [TS]

00:33:33   of love and care into those sequences [TS]

00:33:34   they're an important part of the show [TS]

00:33:36   and [TS]

00:33:37   having one of those and then having them [TS]

00:33:38   redo it a cgi is it i is a great [TS]

00:33:41   contrast because i like the idea of like [TS]

00:33:43   we'd be this beautiful hand-drawn [TS]

00:33:44   animation can we do it in CGI what does [TS]

00:33:47   it look worse does it look better is it [TS]

00:33:48   possible to capture what was good about [TS]

00:33:50   the other one and in this example I [TS]

00:33:53   think the hand-drawn one is way better [TS]

00:33:54   than the cgi want yeah it shows the [TS]

00:33:56   limits of CGI the time but it's [TS]

00:33:57   interesting to see them try I'll it will [TS]

00:34:00   be perhaps less interesting and more [TS]

00:34:01   depressing to see them try to do a live [TS]

00:34:02   action version of this with scarlett [TS]

00:34:04   johansson but that idea of like take [TS]

00:34:07   this thing now do it this way now do it [TS]

00:34:09   that way now do with one hand tied [TS]

00:34:11   behind your back no to all black and [TS]

00:34:13   white now doing a hand-drawn animation [TS]

00:34:14   outdoors claim now do it is interpretive [TS]

00:34:16   dance like i like the idea of that and [TS]

00:34:19   this particular series when I was [TS]

00:34:20   watching it had this conversion where [TS]

00:34:22   you're like the opening they were used [TS]

00:34:23   to always have appeared in cg like what [TS]

00:34:25   is going on someone think this was a [TS]

00:34:26   good idea but it's still very [TS]

00:34:29   interesting to me yeah I didn't like the [TS]

00:34:31   cgi at all [TS]

00:34:32   I mean it and I like CGI and all but but [TS]

00:34:35   it different doesn't match the show ya [TS]

00:34:37   and second I felt like I really [TS]

00:34:38   understood the way that she's portrayed [TS]

00:34:41   the way the major is portrayed in the [TS]

00:34:42   show in animation like I i can quibble i [TS]

00:34:47   like that i like the purple and stuff i [TS]

00:34:49   think that's really need I can i I think [TS]

00:34:51   her outfit is ridiculous they ever since [TS]

00:34:55   teacher assistants [TS]

00:34:56   yeah what about this one saying is I [TS]

00:34:57   mean ma I read superhero comics I I know [TS]

00:35:00   ridiculous outfits when I see it and but [TS]

00:35:03   in the in the movie it's not like that [TS]

00:35:04   it's not to this extreme that in the [TS]

00:35:07   show but but anyway she is that [TS]

00:35:10   character I don't know there's something [TS]

00:35:12   about that character you feel like [TS]

00:35:13   you're you're seeing a portrayal of a [TS]

00:35:16   very specific character and the cgi is [TS]

00:35:18   it feels like it's just a generic even [TS]

00:35:21   though it's the same clothes and the [TS]

00:35:23   same everything [TS]

00:35:24   it's like it just kind of a generic cgi [TS]

00:35:26   figure of a woman instead of that [TS]

00:35:28   character like the animations it softens [TS]

00:35:31   all the interesting edges [TS]

00:35:33   yeah well yeah they're all soft and just [TS]

00:35:35   kind of literally it's committed to it [TS]

00:35:36   doesn't even read as a press the same [TS]

00:35:38   person it just reads like maybe like a [TS]

00:35:40   cosplayer or something because they you [TS]

00:35:42   know i mean it [TS]

00:35:43   the worst is like the very end sequence [TS]

00:35:44   which is grimacing shooting a gun and [TS]

00:35:47   grimace when she shoots somebody that's [TS]

00:35:48   not that's ridiculous red [TS]

00:35:50   itachi comes come off a little bit [TS]

00:35:52   better but anyway I i like the remakes [TS]

00:35:54   aspect of that I think we can wrap up [TS]

00:35:57   the movie with just the ending sequence [TS]

00:35:58   which again we're going to take the same [TS]

00:35:59   themes and keep throwing them in your [TS]

00:36:01   face and so you can until they they land [TS]

00:36:03   home at one point the big tank at the [TS]

00:36:06   end i believe shoots up a giant tree of [TS]

00:36:09   life type thing like that you know sort [TS]

00:36:11   of evolutionary ladder type create [TS]

00:36:13   forget what's written on it I think [TS]

00:36:14   humans are the top is that but the thing [TS]

00:36:15   shoots up yeah it comes just short of [TS]

00:36:17   just short of shooting up here yeah like [TS]

00:36:19   you're getting it folks you know thanks [TS]

00:36:22   not not subtle at all but it happens [TS]

00:36:24   fast enough and i think the words you're [TS]

00:36:25   in Latin so it's a little bit better but [TS]

00:36:27   the city the ending the ending bit there [TS]

00:36:29   is very kind of like I don't say Kira [TS]

00:36:32   ask or whatever but I think with again [TS]

00:36:33   with a different person purpose where [TS]

00:36:35   she's going in the the one-woman [TS]

00:36:37   wrecking crew to take out this tank [TS]

00:36:40   she has a plan to execute your plan she [TS]

00:36:42   gets on top of the tank is trying to [TS]

00:36:43   tear the lid off the tank to get to the [TS]

00:36:45   fleshy bits on the inside and defeat the [TS]

00:36:47   tank and that lid just doesn't want to [TS]

00:36:49   come off and she took keep rolling [TS]

00:36:52   she keeps pulling until basically her [TS]

00:36:54   arms get torn off and this this type of [TS]

00:36:58   thing that my loves to do where they [TS]

00:37:00   will show what looks like a vulnerable [TS]

00:37:02   human person usually a woman using an [TS]

00:37:04   attractive woman grievously injured in [TS]

00:37:06   some way is subverted here by her [TS]

00:37:08   seriously injuring herself as part of [TS]

00:37:12   the plan that she's executing in such a [TS]

00:37:14   way that you realize that this is not so [TS]

00:37:16   much someone being injured but it's more [TS]

00:37:20   like driving a car really hard like when [TS]

00:37:22   the hero of your story that he steals a [TS]

00:37:25   car and drives that car until it's dead [TS]

00:37:27   she just did that but with her own body [TS]

00:37:29   because she's essentially driving that [TS]

00:37:30   body as the pilot more than it is you [TS]

00:37:34   know a that is herself or whatever then [TS]

00:37:36   of course you've got the big black [TS]

00:37:37   helicopters with their the Angel of [TS]

00:37:39   Death helicopters with their wings [TS]

00:37:40   unfurling lots of great Mecca design in [TS]

00:37:42   this thing and snipers with the [TS]

00:37:44   synchronized breathing apparatus to [TS]

00:37:47   shoot her through the head and [TS]

00:37:48   everything again they're aiming for her [TS]

00:37:49   head because that's the only way you can [TS]

00:37:50   kill you you shoot another part doesn't [TS]

00:37:52   do anything you got backhoe once again [TS]

00:37:55   putting the jacket over her when she's [TS]

00:37:57   diving into the project 2501 [TS]

00:38:00   you just need to cover over the jackets [TS]

00:38:02   the machine but at that point he's [TS]

00:38:03   thinking of her as a human and covers [TS]

00:38:04   are up you get your head blown clean off [TS]

00:38:07   in that scene but she's fine because [TS]

00:38:09   they didn't actually squish the brain [TS]

00:38:10   brain park and then the for the final [TS]

00:38:13   thing that's really making your own [TS]

00:38:14   comfort or the end they got her in are [TS]

00:38:18   replanted in a little girl's body which [TS]

00:38:21   community looks like a little girl [TS]

00:38:22   version of the major which is a nice [TS]

00:38:23   touch and I'm saying that you know what [TS]

00:38:25   do you want to add to the black market [TS]

00:38:26   this is all I could get [TS]

00:38:28   yeah and that just spins out her like [TS]

00:38:29   why would little girl cyborgs be [TS]

00:38:32   available on the black market and how do [TS]

00:38:33   you feel about that and now that she's [TS]

00:38:34   in a little girl body has but to feel [TS]

00:38:36   about her and have to revisit all their [TS]

00:38:38   feelings that they had before how do you [TS]

00:38:39   feel about the feelings they had before [TS]

00:38:40   it's almost like when you find out later [TS]

00:38:43   was look sister but even worse [TS]

00:38:45   yeah I like I am I I think it's really [TS]

00:38:47   interesting the the end is is a bit of a [TS]

00:38:49   head-scratcher where they're like you [TS]

00:38:52   know moving to a different bodies and [TS]

00:38:54   the two bodies of their and there's the [TS]

00:38:55   puppet master and they're moving around [TS]

00:38:57   all that but i did i did like the idea [TS]

00:38:59   that i'm somewhere i think the wikipedia [TS]

00:39:01   page says that that the whole idea is [TS]

00:39:03   that she's she's supposed to be supposed [TS]

00:39:06   to look like standardly standard [TS]

00:39:08   available you know parts but even though [TS]

00:39:11   she's got special stuff on the inside [TS]

00:39:13   and I like taking that to the extreme at [TS]

00:39:16   the end was like you know this is what I [TS]

00:39:17   could get this is what you get to be you [TS]

00:39:19   get to be the little girl now sorry [TS]

00:39:21   yeah well but but she says you know it's [TS]

00:39:24   not her anyway [TS]

00:39:25   at this point because i was with the [TS]

00:39:26   puppet master so it's a new creature [TS]

00:39:28   that's been created that's you know [TS]

00:39:30   something new in the world that's the [TS]

00:39:32   one problem with the movie is that it it [TS]

00:39:34   wanted to have an arc that ended with [TS]

00:39:36   the sort of merging everything but the [TS]

00:39:38   movie is going towards is like where [TS]

00:39:40   we're going to confront you with all [TS]

00:39:41   these questions about what it means to [TS]

00:39:42   be a living thing or something worthy of [TS]

00:39:47   love or what does that even mean [TS]

00:39:48   and they're going to keep pushing until [TS]

00:39:50   by the end of the movie you're like well [TS]

00:39:52   yet getting back to jason's thing what [TS]

00:39:55   if she was shooting what if she was [TS]

00:39:56   never alive does that change how you [TS]

00:39:58   view her what if she is combined with an [TS]

00:40:00   AI that you know that she's actually [TS]

00:40:02   made it with AI is she now less worthy [TS]

00:40:05   of [TS]

00:40:06   of being treated as a person than she [TS]

00:40:08   was before what if something was never [TS]

00:40:10   human-like that's that's where you're [TS]

00:40:12   going in the movie ends and you can [TS]

00:40:13   continue off in that direction but the [TS]

00:40:14   TV series and most of the things that [TS]

00:40:16   spin off the universe rewind and said [TS]

00:40:18   let's go back to the beginning of that [TS]

00:40:19   thing because they don't they don't try [TS]

00:40:21   to continue on that good matrix style [TS]

00:40:22   where you get the end of the movie he [TS]

00:40:23   jumps off from the phone booth then you [TS]

00:40:25   say let's go see where that goes like no [TS]

00:40:26   no we have we have this whole world but [TS]

00:40:28   let's explore different stories for the [TS]

00:40:30   net world without immediately jumping to [TS]

00:40:32   humans are useless [TS]

00:40:33   I destroy and Destroy All Humans about [TS]

00:40:36   humility and let the machines take over [TS]

00:40:38   which with which you know you can see [TS]

00:40:40   this universe going towards but that's [TS]

00:40:42   not the story they want to tell well so [TS]

00:40:44   what do you guys think of the movie so I [TS]

00:40:46   i was really confused by parts and I [TS]

00:40:48   felt like parts of it i didn't i say [TS]

00:40:50   wanted me to be confused about and parts [TS]

00:40:51   of it I thought it just didn't need to [TS]

00:40:53   make me confused about and it did [TS]

00:40:56   what's with all the numbers this is the [TS]

00:40:59   thing that really drove me crazy a [TS]

00:41:01   second second second we got section nine [TS]

00:41:03   and we got project 2501 and we're going [TS]

00:41:05   to a virtually all of the numbers drove [TS]

00:41:07   me crazy because I i don't know maybe [TS]

00:41:10   this is just my relationship with [TS]

00:41:13   numbers but if it had been like the [TS]

00:41:15   defense division and the secret division [TS]

00:41:17   or something like that I would have [TS]

00:41:19   understood it but it's like instead [TS]

00:41:21   everything is section 9 section 6 [TS]

00:41:22   project 2501 it feels super x [TS]

00:41:25   positioning and of course you know there [TS]

00:41:27   are there are are just endless streams [TS]

00:41:29   of dialogue there's a very funny part [TS]

00:41:31   where there's a lot of dialogue and [TS]

00:41:33   everybody's head the head of the person [TS]

00:41:35   who's saying it is cut off in the shot [TS]

00:41:37   so they don't need to animate them [TS]

00:41:39   talking pages download dialogue lots and [TS]

00:41:43   lots of dialogue about the government [TS]

00:41:45   and this in this section is doing this [TS]

00:41:46   and this is over here and those are [TS]

00:41:48   those moments where I thought this is [TS]

00:41:51   are they trying to make a wash over me [TS]

00:41:54   to the point where I just don't even [TS]

00:41:56   care anymore or would this have been [TS]

00:41:58   better off just being more oblique like [TS]

00:42:00   I would almost rather had been [TS]

00:42:01   completely confusing then have it be [TS]

00:42:04   like here's an enormous download of all [TS]

00:42:07   these things that are similarly named [TS]

00:42:09   that you don't really understand and [TS]

00:42:11   that have relationships to one another [TS]

00:42:14   and that's like so that is actually a [TS]

00:42:16   staple of anime and if you think the [TS]

00:42:19   numbers are problem if you can watch [TS]

00:42:20   more the television series you do [TS]

00:42:21   realize that naming of the different [TS]

00:42:23   factions and when splinter groups and [TS]

00:42:26   parts like it's just as bad it's even [TS]

00:42:28   worse when they have names because at [TS]

00:42:29   least the numbers you know don't need [TS]

00:42:31   any translation they just throw it at [TS]

00:42:33   you like an object 2501 like everything [TS]

00:42:36   I mean something the chatroom someone [TS]

00:42:37   mentions like mi5 and mi6 like a [TS]

00:42:39   starting point you get used to the [TS]

00:42:40   number you're all so confusing [TS]

00:42:42   yeah the world is confusing Jason the [TS]

00:42:45   cyberpunk world is more confusing this [TS]

00:42:46   project black eagle or something i'll be [TS]

00:42:48   like 'ooh project black eagle what does [TS]

00:42:50   it mean project 2501 it's like project [TS]

00:42:52   string of numbers [TS]

00:42:53   oh and there's another project of sorts [TS]

00:42:55   of different numbers who tell me more i [TS]

00:42:57   mean i know that didn't they didn't [TS]

00:43:00   yeah they do they do throw stuff at you [TS]

00:43:02   they don't want to explain it and at [TS]

00:43:04   many times it's easy to think that there [TS]

00:43:07   is no explanation that it is just mumbo [TS]

00:43:08   jumbo that it's like the star trek talk [TS]

00:43:10   where you just throw a bunch of words in [TS]

00:43:12   there it's just science fiction word [TS]

00:43:13   salad and you know suffice it to say [TS]

00:43:15   don't like them crystals let's move on [TS]

00:43:17   right [TS]

00:43:17   but there usually is an actual story [TS]

00:43:21   surrounding these things I don't know [TS]

00:43:23   what makes them want to just throw it [TS]

00:43:24   like why do we need those details is it [TS]

00:43:27   like do you want me to have to go to the [TS]

00:43:29   wikipedia page and look for the help [TS]

00:43:31   this stuff is but like if you watched [TS]

00:43:33   nine hundred times eventually you do [TS]

00:43:34   connect all the dots and it starts to [TS]

00:43:36   make sense but I don't know what it is [TS]

00:43:37   in Japanese animation that makes them [TS]

00:43:40   want to do these incredibly dense and [TS]

00:43:43   deep backstories to tell what is [TS]

00:43:46   otherwise a fairly simple story because [TS]

00:43:48   I like theirs theirs [TS]

00:43:49   ok so there's an old guy who's bald [TS]

00:43:51   mostly with gray hair and a little [TS]

00:43:54   goatee and he's got a team [TS]

00:43:56   he's got a team of cyborg crime-fighting [TS]

00:43:58   agent people and they they can fight [TS]

00:44:01   crime and right wrongs on I totally got [TS]

00:44:04   that and and what as I got through the [TS]

00:44:07   movie I'm like oh yeah and this one [TS]

00:44:08   stood co there is a TV show here this [TS]

00:44:10   makes this totally makes sense it was [TS]

00:44:12   just at the beginning again maybe they [TS]

00:44:15   just want you to feel completely at sea [TS]

00:44:16   or something but I just felt like when [TS]

00:44:18   everything is numbered i just i hit [TS]

00:44:20   through my hands like I have no idea who [TS]

00:44:23   is who they're talking about when [TS]

00:44:24   they're talking for a long time about [TS]

00:44:26   what section 6 section 16 [TS]

00:44:27   section nine and we need to be part of [TS]

00:44:29   section 9 again it gives you the feeling [TS]

00:44:31   like you've dropped down in the middle [TS]

00:44:33   of something larger that you just are [TS]

00:44:35   gonna have to figure out I felt like it [TS]

00:44:36   could have been clearer if they had [TS]

00:44:38   wanted it to be and I didn't care [TS]

00:44:41   yeah I think you're exactly right about [TS]

00:44:42   being dropped in the middle of something [TS]

00:44:44   that's larger that you don't understand [TS]

00:44:46   and that's that's actually something [TS]

00:44:47   that drew me to the movie because and [TS]

00:44:50   anime in general because i like feeling [TS]

00:44:52   like I am in a world that is whole and [TS]

00:44:55   is its own thing that is very separate [TS]

00:44:58   from what I'm used to [TS]

00:44:59   I like the fact that anime is so [TS]

00:45:01   different from most of the entertainment [TS]

00:45:02   that I'm used to consuming so the fact [TS]

00:45:04   that that was first of all I felt that [TS]

00:45:07   that the numbers were were more elegant [TS]

00:45:09   than all of the names that we get [TS]

00:45:10   letters little later there's a lot of [TS]

00:45:12   alphabet soup in the in the TV show and [TS]

00:45:15   and I like the idea that I that I have [TS]

00:45:18   to figure this stuff out and I maybe [TS]

00:45:19   need to watch it a number of times [TS]

00:45:21   because sometimes I mean I I like easy [TS]

00:45:24   escapism as much maybe more than the [TS]

00:45:26   next guy but every once in a while I [TS]

00:45:28   like to to make my brain work for it a [TS]

00:45:31   bit and I found I it's hard to remember [TS]

00:45:33   exactly what I felt the very first time [TS]

00:45:35   I saw this but I i seem to remember that [TS]

00:45:38   it was confusing but it was deliciously [TS]

00:45:40   confusing to me [TS]

00:45:42   I enjoyed that feeling of you know i [TS]

00:45:44   felt like i was literally in the middle [TS]

00:45:45   of it and I was turning left and right [TS]

00:45:47   and looking up and down and I'm seeing [TS]

00:45:49   all of these things that i don't quite [TS]

00:45:51   recognize but they are intriguing to me [TS]

00:45:53   so much so that i'm willing to put in [TS]

00:45:55   the work and go back and watch it again [TS]

00:45:57   and again to really it define these [TS]

00:45:59   things and and tease it out kinda like [TS]

00:46:01   twin peaks if you want to compare it to [TS]

00:46:03   a similar thing where like what is this [TS]

00:46:04   incomprehensible show that like I don't [TS]

00:46:06   understand what's going on and I don't [TS]

00:46:09   know who these people are doesn't make [TS]

00:46:10   any sense to me and so like did I don't [TS]

00:46:14   know if they're being intentionally [TS]

00:46:15   obtuse like twin peaks was like it that [TS]

00:46:17   was part of the thing but it that is my [TS]

00:46:19   experience of watching anime is that [TS]

00:46:20   part of what appeals to me is that I'm [TS]

00:46:22   going to have a bunch of crap dumped on [TS]

00:46:24   me and it could be artfully done unless [TS]

00:46:26   our fleet I think it's way less are [TS]

00:46:27   fully done in a television series then [TS]

00:46:29   it is in the movie because the movie the [TS]

00:46:31   movie takes time out to do as Tony [TS]

00:46:34   mentioned earlier that you know [TS]

00:46:35   that the musical montage and everything [TS]

00:46:36   which you you know whether you like them [TS]

00:46:38   or you don't it's kind of like a tease [TS]

00:46:40   musical montage is i love the kind of [TS]

00:46:42   things right i like i like the anime [TS]

00:46:43   montages with the with the people ladies [TS]

00:46:47   yodeling over slow-motion shots of [TS]

00:46:50   decaying cities with airplanes flying [TS]

00:46:51   over them like i like that i can [TS]

00:46:53   understand if you don't but the big [TS]

00:46:55   exhibition dumps it into that all things [TS]

00:46:57   like why are you doing this on purpose i [TS]

00:46:59   think they are doing it on purpose i [TS]

00:47:01   don't think you can do it by accident [TS]

00:47:02   they're so good at being so income it's [TS]

00:47:04   a twin peaks obviously doing it on [TS]

00:47:06   purpose right and this and that was my [TS]

00:47:07   point is there are two ways to read this [TS]

00:47:09   one is they uh they think they're [TS]

00:47:13   providing texture but by having them all [TS]

00:47:16   just be numbers instead of something [TS]

00:47:19   because this is a made-up world ok they [TS]

00:47:21   could make it up and have labels on [TS]

00:47:23   things like I said they could say that [TS]

00:47:24   you know its defense division and and [TS]

00:47:27   the spy division or whatever and you'll [TS]

00:47:29   be like oh I get it there that's the [TS]

00:47:30   defense division and I can Intuit from [TS]

00:47:32   that what it is or you know or you can [TS]

00:47:35   just pick numbers and say whatever we [TS]

00:47:37   don't we don't know what we're doing [TS]

00:47:39   it's either that or I think would be [TS]

00:47:41   more likely they wanted to be this web [TS]

00:47:46   of interconnections that you have to [TS]

00:47:48   struggle to which I love in novels right [TS]

00:47:51   i love like what is it embassy town the [TS]

00:47:54   China Mieville that that is like he just [TS]

00:47:58   download their other books like this to [TS]

00:48:00   of neal stephenson's uh-oh an FM is like [TS]

00:48:04   this where it's like there's just words [TS]

00:48:06   that you have no idea for up like 500 [TS]

00:48:08   pages what the words mean and you just [TS]

00:48:11   have to figure it out and I appreciate [TS]

00:48:13   that so that that was my struggle with [TS]

00:48:15   it was like are they really are [TS]

00:48:17   do they really expect me to be able to [TS]

00:48:18   keep track of all these numbers or am I [TS]

00:48:20   supposed to let it wash over me and [TS]

00:48:21   eventually i'm just gonna figure it out [TS]

00:48:23   through context and I think that's where [TS]

00:48:25   i got to its kinda like the difference [TS]

00:48:26   between learning a language by taking a [TS]

00:48:28   class and having a teacher explained it [TS]

00:48:30   to you or just immersing yourself in a [TS]

00:48:32   culture and moving to someplace like [TS]

00:48:33   Japan and just figuring it out some of [TS]

00:48:36   the chairman said that the in Japan the [TS]

00:48:38   actual ministries are named with numbers [TS]

00:48:40   like this i always i don't know if [TS]

00:48:42   that's true or not but I always took it [TS]

00:48:43   is like having the numbers like section [TS]

00:48:45   nine maybe the more cyber punky [TS]

00:48:48   yeah maybe this is retconning section [TS]

00:48:51   nine now sounds cool to me is it because [TS]

00:48:53   section 92 section 9 and I know what [TS]

00:48:55   section is or is it because section it [TS]

00:48:56   seems like mi5 does my five sound cool [TS]

00:48:58   because of james bond or was it [TS]

00:49:00   according to begin with like if you name [TS]

00:49:02   things with numbers it its it's more of [TS]

00:49:04   an aesthetic theme it's not so much the [TS]

00:49:06   use the numbers is the fact that like [TS]

00:49:07   there are eight thousand moving parts [TS]

00:49:09   there 700 characters all have different [TS]

00:49:11   motivations you have to know who [TS]

00:49:13   which of these political parties who is [TS]

00:49:14   in power who is not what's motivating [TS]

00:49:16   this rebel group what's motivating that [TS]

00:49:18   like there are so many moving pieces [TS]

00:49:19   most of which get like one word one line [TS]

00:49:22   or like an animated I glance or like [TS]

00:49:25   they're mentioned once they've never [TS]

00:49:26   seen on camera and they're like this [TS]

00:49:27   huge geopolitical force that everybody [TS]

00:49:30   in the movie knows about but you have no [TS]

00:49:31   idea about it because they just end it [TS]

00:49:33   is realistic in that like if everybody [TS]

00:49:36   knows about it they're not going to does [TS]

00:49:38   not going to be the exposition Bob that [TS]

00:49:40   explains oh there was a world war four [TS]

00:49:42   and five and here was what happened and [TS]

00:49:43   then we had these refugees in these [TS]

00:49:45   people like they're not going to do that [TS]

00:49:46   for you and it because know people would [TS]

00:49:48   do that so the idea is that this was a [TS]

00:49:50   complex future world and we can't [TS]

00:49:51   explain it so much has changed that we [TS]

00:49:54   know we're not just gonna do the 11 [TS]

00:49:56   thing is different it's like it's all [TS]

00:49:57   different and it's not part of our story [TS]

00:49:59   but it makes you feel more disconnected [TS]

00:50:01   like oh this is really the future so [TS]

00:50:03   much measures changed in the first [TS]

00:50:05   episode of standalone complex there's [TS]

00:50:07   something like that where again I think [TS]

00:50:08   this is just style thing that I have to [TS]

00:50:10   get used to [TS]

00:50:11   there's a download at one point that [TS]

00:50:13   left my head spinning where the guy [TS]

00:50:15   inches in charge says oh you know the [TS]

00:50:18   defense ministry and he was meeting with [TS]

00:50:19   this North American you know whatever it [TS]

00:50:22   executive from that thing for the talks [TS]

00:50:25   involving this I'm like okay like it [TS]

00:50:27   wasn't complacent to say that there's a [TS]

00:50:29   thing and people are being held hostage [TS]

00:50:32   by robot indications okay i think in the [TS]

00:50:36   film it's a little bit harder to because [TS]

00:50:37   we have we have section 6 section 9 and [TS]

00:50:40   there they take seem to be adversarial [TS]

00:50:42   sometimes just an upside down but they [TS]

00:50:44   also have meetings and I think it's even [TS]

00:50:45   a little bit harder because like the [TS]

00:50:47   first scene is we basically have the [TS]

00:50:49   major who's working for section 9 carry [TS]

00:50:52   out what seems to be kind of an [TS]

00:50:54   assassination right and so it's it's [TS]

00:50:56   it's a little unclear like who is the [TS]

00:50:57   good guy who is you know you know how [TS]

00:51:00   good are the good guys and [TS]

00:51:01   all that also John you're gonna get [TS]

00:51:02   letters from the James Bond and so watch [TS]

00:51:04   out for that [TS]

00:51:04   why am i five mi6 and yeah he's mi6 I i [TS]

00:51:08   said it's cool because of james bond [TS]

00:51:10   franchise not him specifically ok i [TS]

00:51:11   always thought that he just worked for [TS]

00:51:13   the English agent Department of Special [TS]

00:51:15   md apartment and it's it's like you know [TS]

00:51:18   like that Syria or something where [TS]

00:51:19   everything is in the movie you it they [TS]

00:51:21   explained in the movie there is at least [TS]

00:51:23   one line to explain who section 9 is [TS]

00:51:25   they're the ones who can get their hands [TS]

00:51:26   dirty to section 6 is the diplomatic [TS]

00:51:28   corps whatever why the section 6 can't [TS]

00:51:30   do this and you eventually second 6 [TS]

00:51:32   review it revealed to be supporting out [TS]

00:51:34   the and section 9 like not if you watch [TS]

00:51:37   the television series you see how that [TS]

00:51:38   goes down between them but this internal [TS]

00:51:40   warring factions within the government [TS]

00:51:43   the only thing that's never make clear [TS]

00:51:45   the entire series is why I section 9 I [TS]

00:51:47   guess it's just our maki why why are [TS]

00:51:49   they the one is relatively non-corrupt [TS]

00:51:51   part of the government every other part [TS]

00:51:53   of the government is terrible like you [TS]

00:51:54   should also have especially if they're [TS]

00:51:56   like where the where the guys that can [TS]

00:51:57   get her hands dirty carrying out [TS]

00:51:58   assassinations but where the non-corrupt [TS]

00:52:00   part right they are but they don't like [TS]

00:52:02   it feels like it's a cuts a handful of [TS]

00:52:04   people that's just a good group of kids [TS]

00:52:06   they're like this five last week that's [TS]

00:52:08   the key small numbers that's right and [TS]

00:52:10   and the one the one good leader I mean [TS]

00:52:12   it's it you know in that respect it's [TS]

00:52:14   more like a television show but I get [TS]

00:52:15   the television the format of the [TS]

00:52:17   television show i think is premise [TS]

00:52:19   action sequence then a scene where [TS]

00:52:21   George Lucas style everyone sits there [TS]

00:52:22   on couches and talks forever about [TS]

00:52:24   nonsense like it is just unbelievable [TS]

00:52:27   amount of stuff that you like about you [TS]

00:52:29   try to follow it and like it's just you [TS]

00:52:30   feel like it's impossible [TS]

00:52:32   I've seen this entire series like four [TS]

00:52:34   times some episodes are still like that [TS]

00:52:37   I'm just never going to know what [TS]

00:52:37   they're talking about right and that [TS]

00:52:39   middle section of these episodes like if [TS]

00:52:40   you were to format this is the US [TS]

00:52:42   television show you like maybe cut out [TS]

00:52:44   the part of the middle where they sit [TS]

00:52:45   around and talk because you've got some [TS]

00:52:46   exciting dynamic people here and they [TS]

00:52:49   always do like set up lots of action [TS]

00:52:51   lots of talking and then the rest of the [TS]

00:52:54   story with action because the short show [TS]

00:52:55   it's like 1 30 minutes or something like [TS]

00:52:57   that you don't have time for like an [TS]

00:52:59   hour long drama you really just have to [TS]

00:53:00   tape a call the story into a talking [TS]

00:53:03   part in the middle and some episodes do [TS]

00:53:06   it more gracefully than others and I [TS]

00:53:07   think that is probably the weakest part [TS]

00:53:09   of the TV series and the movie i think [TS]

00:53:10   does a better job of sort of weaving it [TS]

00:53:12   throughout because they try to have [TS]

00:53:15   a sex position and less of a complicated [TS]

00:53:17   plot in general than the reed insane arc [TS]

00:53:20   that forms the television series and [TS]

00:53:23   really the movie is more about themes [TS]

00:53:25   and characters and the world and less [TS]

00:53:28   about the specifics of the story and so [TS]

00:53:30   I think it is more artfully done there [TS]

00:53:32   I mean I i really like this show but I [TS]

00:53:34   kind of laughed every time they have the [TS]

00:53:35   the requisite seen in the middle where [TS]

00:53:37   they have like their conference call [TS]

00:53:38   except they're all doing it by thinking [TS]

00:53:40   so that like we don't actually know how [TS]

00:53:42   to animate anything for like 30 minutes [TS]

00:53:44   they're just there everyone just seemed [TS]

00:53:45   like maybe they're in a car maybe [TS]

00:53:47   there's a room but they're all just [TS]

00:53:48   thinking their thoughts back and forth [TS]

00:53:49   to each other just like what is savings [TS]

00:53:51   ya might ah gasps ah doesn't get to [TS]

00:53:53   participate had so much driving and [TS]

00:53:56   thinking using or driving and diving [TS]

00:53:58   which i think is probably one of the [TS]

00:53:59   most unsafe things you can do it like [TS]

00:54:01   texting and driving don't do that you [TS]

00:54:04   should really give your eyes on the road [TS]

00:54:05   but then again that they have spare [TS]

00:54:06   cycles maybe they could do both at once [TS]

00:54:08   I now see really unsafe there's they're [TS]

00:54:10   actually better drivers than we are [TS]

00:54:12   unfortunately a lot of my favorite [TS]

00:54:14   episodes are in season 2 of this and so [TS]

00:54:18   I i watched all of season one again and [TS]

00:54:20   say wait I didn't get to my oh yeah [TS]

00:54:21   that's in season to this and that's [TS]

00:54:24   another thing about the format of these [TS]

00:54:25   episodes i mentioned to Jason but I [TS]

00:54:27   thought he had a chance of seeing more [TS]

00:54:28   than two of these at the beginning of [TS]

00:54:30   the episodes they do this morning i'm [TS]

00:54:32   going to watch the rest of them it'll [TS]

00:54:33   just be no good for this podcast they do [TS]

00:54:35   this thing where they show over the [TS]

00:54:37   title sequence sure the title of the [TS]

00:54:39   episode and then it's growing region [TS]

00:54:41   that is an English explanation of the [TS]

00:54:43   scene you're about to see in the opening [TS]

00:54:44   and then a little word tag on the sides [TS]

00:54:46   of their complex or standalone which is [TS]

00:54:49   a nice labeling system that perhaps the [TS]

00:54:50   x-files could have benefited from to [TS]

00:54:52   tell you is this an episode that it's [TS]

00:54:54   about the season long arc or is this a [TS]

00:54:56   standalone episode that's [TS]

00:54:57   monster-of-the-week and some of my [TS]

00:54:59   favorite episodes are standalone [TS]

00:55:00   episodes because it gives them an excuse [TS]

00:55:02   in a 30-minute format which is very [TS]

00:55:03   abbreviated you can do a standalone [TS]

00:55:05   story and if you just watch the archive [TS]

00:55:07   soldiers I've never done [TS]

00:55:09   I imagine it would form kind of coherent [TS]

00:55:11   whole but then you realize how important [TS]

00:55:12   a standalone episodes are even though [TS]

00:55:14   they don't move the plot along of the of [TS]

00:55:17   the the season long arc there's [TS]

00:55:19   character development all the standalone [TS]

00:55:20   episodes interesting little story it's [TS]

00:55:22   kind of something that would have [TS]

00:55:22   twilight zone ii some of the kind of [TS]

00:55:24   monster the week type thing but in each [TS]

00:55:26   episode there's little bit [TS]

00:55:28   development the later seasons they have [TS]

00:55:30   development of more obscure characters [TS]

00:55:32   maybe they ran out of stories for the [TS]

00:55:34   major impact on everything [TS]

00:55:35   it's not just character development [TS]

00:55:36   though to there's some serious [TS]

00:55:38   world-building done in a lot of those [TS]

00:55:39   standalone episodes things that while [TS]

00:55:42   you know maybe they're not exactly [TS]

00:55:43   moving the plot forward the the themes [TS]

00:55:46   and technological bits and bobs that you [TS]

00:55:48   are seeing those and those stories are [TS]

00:55:50   coming back later and and taking part in [TS]

00:55:54   the complex type episodes and I feel [TS]

00:55:56   like yeah it would be interesting maybe [TS]

00:55:58   to just watch all the complex ones [TS]

00:56:00   together but I feel like it would be a [TS]

00:56:02   dinner with no seasoning you'd be losing [TS]

00:56:04   so much [TS]

00:56:05   yeah they do definitely like things that [TS]

00:56:08   you're going to see in the arc episodes [TS]

00:56:09   they like like a good video game [TS]

00:56:11   explaining a mechanic to you before [TS]

00:56:12   challenges you within the level they [TS]

00:56:14   will explain a particular mechanic and [TS]

00:56:16   it in in the concept in the context of [TS]

00:56:18   another story and then in the archive so [TS]

00:56:20   just use that because they assume you [TS]

00:56:22   already know what it is and you've seen [TS]

00:56:24   it before and that that structure works [TS]

00:56:26   fairly well if you don't know that those [TS]

00:56:28   labels are there i find it [TS]

00:56:31   this this season flows well enough that [TS]

00:56:34   you don't feel like you're going all [TS]

00:56:36   this is obviously an archive so this [TS]

00:56:37   obviously standing because they all [TS]

00:56:38   begin kind of the same way like there's [TS]

00:56:40   a problem [TS]

00:56:41   sexytimes gotta look into it what is the [TS]

00:56:42   deal with this problem there's always [TS]

00:56:44   some kind of hackers involved are like [TS]

00:56:46   terrorists or someone like they all kind [TS]

00:56:48   of look the same [TS]

00:56:49   what's the difference between market [TS]

00:56:50   below you know this one the Laughing Man [TS]

00:56:51   is your your you know symbol for this is [TS]

00:56:54   going to be an archive so but sometimes [TS]

00:56:56   they sneak up on you when they do [TS]

00:56:57   something like this is the senior [TS]

00:56:58   related to laughing matter at all but a [TS]

00:56:59   hot actually is and it comes back around [TS]

00:57:02   it like i'm a sucker for that structure [TS]

00:57:05   again the x-files lots of other American [TS]

00:57:07   television shows that use that structure [TS]

00:57:09   where they get to have their cake and [TS]

00:57:10   eat it too where you have cool season [TS]

00:57:12   long arc but you can also have great [TS]

00:57:13   standalone episodes something I kind of [TS]

00:57:15   missed on like something like lost where [TS]

00:57:18   every episode was kind of an arc episode [TS]

00:57:20   even if they have like this is cyrus [TS]

00:57:21   back story episode they always felt like [TS]

00:57:24   there had to be and let's make some [TS]

00:57:25   progress on the island even if it's like [TS]

00:57:26   you know two steps forward one step back [TS]

00:57:28   or something like that whereas the [TS]

00:57:30   x-files and this thing or like look this [TS]

00:57:31   episode is just going to be [TS]

00:57:32   monster-of-the-week we have a really [TS]

00:57:34   good idea for a story and a cool [TS]

00:57:35   finishing sequence with the [TS]

00:57:37   bouquet of flowers at a funeral sorry [TS]

00:57:39   for spoiling it for you to Jason and [TS]

00:57:41   that's what we're gonna do I don't [TS]

00:57:42   remember that was a narc episode or [TS]

00:57:43   standalone but anyway there something [TS]

00:57:45   like that some of my favorite episodes [TS]

00:57:46   are standalone saw and some of them were [TS]

00:57:47   actually in season 2 which I think could [TS]

00:57:50   you ask you before like what did you [TS]

00:57:52   guys think of the the movie judges movie [TS]

00:57:55   not judges anime not judges like I liked [TS]

00:57:57   it better than this anime or worse than [TS]

00:57:59   the other but like it just in general as [TS]

00:58:00   a movie because I think that's another [TS]

00:58:02   problem with anime people always want to [TS]

00:58:04   get a wise it by saying it's my favorite [TS]

00:58:07   anime we kind of like saying it's my [TS]

00:58:09   favorite animated movie like the people [TS]

00:58:11   who only talk about pixar movies in the [TS]

00:58:12   context of other animated movies and not [TS]

00:58:14   just like that's one of my favorite [TS]

00:58:15   movies in general or one of my least [TS]

00:58:18   favorite like grading on a curve say [TS]

00:58:19   well it's terrible movie but among all [TS]

00:58:21   anime it's a good one how do you judge [TS]

00:58:23   this as a movie movie i liked it as a [TS]

00:58:26   movie movie in fact I liked it so much [TS]

00:58:28   the first time i thought that i take it [TS]

00:58:30   home and showed it to my family and my [TS]

00:58:32   family had I can't remember my sister [TS]

00:58:34   and brother had seen enemy by that point [TS]

00:58:36   I don't think they had I know my parents [TS]

00:58:38   never had their science fiction fans so [TS]

00:58:40   they were interested in just sort of the [TS]

00:58:42   themes of the film to begin with so i [TS]

00:58:43   knew that there would be at least [TS]

00:58:44   there'd be something for them to buy [TS]

00:58:46   into and then they have no problem with [TS]

00:58:49   subtitles so we didn't have to worry [TS]

00:58:51   about that and and everybody liked it i [TS]

00:58:53   mean my brother and sister liked it [TS]

00:58:54   enough that they have become much bigger [TS]

00:58:56   anime fans than I have since then but [TS]

00:58:58   even my parents who I think we're maybe [TS]

00:59:01   a little hesitant just because they [TS]

00:59:02   didn't know anything about this quite [TS]

00:59:05   enjoyed it and I think that they they [TS]

00:59:07   were a little bit confused by some of [TS]

00:59:08   the same stuff that you know we've been [TS]

00:59:10   talking about your sort of supposed to [TS]

00:59:12   be confused by but i think they were [TS]

00:59:14   reading enough you know 70 sci-fi that [TS]

00:59:16   they were totally fine with being [TS]

00:59:18   completely confused by stuff that's [TS]

00:59:20   supposed to be confusing and and they [TS]

00:59:22   all liked it just as a film so I i give [TS]

00:59:25   it a thumbs up across the board [TS]

00:59:26   I think it's a great science-fiction [TS]

00:59:28   movie yeah I've seen it many times [TS]

00:59:31   because i like it so i'll say it again [TS]

00:59:32   up i think i'll probably continue to get [TS]

00:59:35   little little bit to new things out of [TS]

00:59:36   it so well I can see having only student [TS]

00:59:38   once i can see the benefit of going back [TS]

00:59:41   and watching more times because having [TS]

00:59:43   been in that world forth for that period [TS]

00:59:45   of time for that hour and a half i feel [TS]

00:59:48   like i understand it now better than I [TS]

00:59:50   did when I [TS]

00:59:51   just the first time and so that I would [TS]

00:59:53   it would benefit from from from that [TS]

00:59:56   there were individual things in it that [TS]

00:59:58   I really like like I [TS]

00:59:58   I really like like I [TS]

01:00:00   mention the diving scene III I i like [TS]

01:00:03   the horror of the garbage man who has [TS]

01:00:08   this whole story of what he's trying to [TS]

01:00:09   do that turns out to be completely alive [TS]

01:00:12   because he's been he's been ghosts [TS]

01:00:14   hacked into believing things that are [TS]

01:00:16   not real and he thinks he had a family [TS]

01:00:18   and the story isn't that his wife didn't [TS]

01:00:20   leave him or the store and you know what [TS]

01:00:22   the industry is that he never had a [TS]

01:00:24   family and they can't erase those like [TS]

01:00:26   another like nobody and other people [TS]

01:00:28   know in the movie that's one of the [TS]

01:00:29   times they explain to the audience oh by [TS]

01:00:31   the way we can't fix him in our world [TS]

01:00:32   were saying we can't get rid of these [TS]

01:00:33   memories yeah so how you know i'm [TS]

01:00:36   getting i know i know that was that was [TS]

01:00:38   so that was kind of an amazing scene i [TS]

01:00:41   really liked the action sequence when [TS]

01:00:43   they drop through the roof and there's [TS]

01:00:44   the mech with the giant you know machine [TS]

01:00:48   guns and she's trying to major trying to [TS]

01:00:50   take out the tank by herself and ends up [TS]

01:00:52   ripping her arms off and all that that [TS]

01:00:54   was a really nice action sequence but [TS]

01:00:57   like I said I i think i haven't watched [TS]

01:01:00   a one-time i can't say that i enjoyed it [TS]

01:01:03   because I think I struggled too much [TS]

01:01:06   with not having any idea what was going [TS]

01:01:09   on with a lot of the road a lot of the [TS]

01:01:12   exposition stuff just being like I I see [TS]

01:01:16   things are exploding and I know people [TS]

01:01:17   are being sent various places to do [TS]

01:01:19   things but like any nuance of what is [TS]

01:01:22   actually going on was completely lost on [TS]

01:01:25   me because I just was a completely it's [TS]

01:01:28   at sea so I I you know I really [TS]

01:01:30   appreciate the relationship between who [TS]

01:01:34   I would I guess call the two main [TS]

01:01:36   characters which are the major and photo [TS]

01:01:41   but yeah but no I really enjoyed that [TS]

01:01:45   relationship and we've talked about some [TS]

01:01:48   of that about their conversation on the [TS]

01:01:50   boat after she's done diving him [TS]

01:01:53   apologizing for getting there late he [TS]

01:01:55   comes in to save the day at the very end [TS]

01:01:57   and so sorry I'm so sorry I'm late it's [TS]

01:01:59   like dipped least you saved everything [TS]

01:02:01   at the very end sorry I'm late I i liked [TS]

01:02:05   a lot of that [TS]

01:02:07   stuff it was a lot there's a lot of [TS]

01:02:09   stuff in there and I guess I guess what [TS]

01:02:11   I'm saying is i'm not opposed to seeing [TS]

01:02:13   it again because i feel like i [TS]

01:02:14   understand it more and what it did do is [TS]

01:02:17   make me realize what a great world this [TS]

01:02:18   would be for an ongoing series about [TS]

01:02:21   this team which is what they made and [TS]

01:02:24   watching those two episodes of the [TS]

01:02:26   standalone complex series i really liked [TS]

01:02:29   them although although again i have as a [TS]

01:02:31   as a a American pop culture person I i [TS]

01:02:35   still have those moments of like this is [TS]

01:02:36   just not a mixture of things that I'm [TS]

01:02:38   used to because again it's a half-hour [TS]

01:02:39   story that's animated that has one of [TS]

01:02:44   the characters running down the street [TS]

01:02:45   shouting shit shit shit right and it's [TS]

01:02:48   like well that who is this for I'm [TS]

01:02:50   asking myself because it is weird [TS]

01:02:52   combination of things that would not be [TS]

01:02:54   put together in a piece of American [TS]

01:02:56   entertainment and yet you know I i liked [TS]

01:02:59   it and I recognize a lot of the troops [TS]

01:03:01   from science fiction and I think as a TV [TS]

01:03:02   show it it it it work better for me in [TS]

01:03:06   the sense like like I got how this would [TS]

01:03:08   be really good as a recurring series of [TS]

01:03:12   problems for this team to solve because [TS]

01:03:14   that's I felt like that how I didn't [TS]

01:03:16   mention the other thing that I thought [TS]

01:03:17   was really funny about it is that we [TS]

01:03:20   talked about influences here i got real [TS]

01:03:22   Miami Vice vibe from this at several [TS]

01:03:24   points like like bato is is is kind of [TS]

01:03:27   like cyborgs Don Johnson this is [TS]

01:03:29   American culture being reflected back at [TS]

01:03:31   us a little bit yeah a little bit later [TS]

01:03:33   it was fascinating the music the way [TS]

01:03:34   that the way the music plays at times is [TS]

01:03:36   actually very michael mann where you've [TS]

01:03:38   got you've got the the the nature and [TS]

01:03:41   the cityscape kind of together and it's [TS]

01:03:43   a quiet moment and it's like it was [TS]

01:03:45   almost like write out a man hunter or [TS]

01:03:46   something or miami vice but very michael [TS]

01:03:48   mann too so that really amused me [TS]

01:03:50   because i did not expect to get to see [TS]

01:03:53   you know the mid-eighties reflected back [TS]

01:03:56   via the the nineties in Japan and that [TS]

01:04:00   that is what I got he is very done [TS]

01:04:01   Johnson motto is and that's one of the [TS]

01:04:04   most fun things about anime because [TS]

01:04:05   American culture has had such an [TS]

01:04:07   influence in Japan they are co-opted but [TS]

01:04:10   sort of twisted it and then against back [TS]

01:04:12   at you and you're like this looks [TS]

01:04:14   vaguely familiar but not quite right [TS]

01:04:16   right when it comes back it up sometimes [TS]

01:04:18   you don't even recognize it as [TS]

01:04:19   what what it originally was because they [TS]

01:04:22   they co-opted and make it their own and [TS]

01:04:23   when it comes back it is this mutant [TS]

01:04:25   strain but somehow familiar as well yeah [TS]

01:04:28   I also i love and this is something more [TS]

01:04:30   anime i watch the more I realize this is [TS]

01:04:33   just a thing i'm going to do is I love [TS]

01:04:35   seeing Roman characters in the [TS]

01:04:37   background [TS]

01:04:37   it's like what did they choose to have [TS]

01:04:39   be in english or at least in Roman [TS]

01:04:41   characters [TS]

01:04:42   that's fascinating because that's the [TS]

01:04:44   stuff that's not translated right they [TS]

01:04:46   the filmmakers put it in there [TS]

01:04:48   everything else we get all the dialogue [TS]

01:04:50   is translated either by redubbed or [TS]

01:04:52   subtitles but then they'll just be some [TS]

01:04:54   words and I i get a great deal of joy [TS]

01:04:57   out of seeing what what they put in [TS]

01:05:00   things i can read and where they are [TS]

01:05:02   just in the background on on a sign [TS]

01:05:04   somewhere [TS]

01:05:05   it makes me laugh be careful with [TS]

01:05:06   fansubs because sometimes they digitally [TS]

01:05:08   replace signs with things that look like [TS]

01:05:11   they were put there by the original [TS]

01:05:12   animators but weren't the chain is not [TS]

01:05:14   changing movie you watch but sometimes [TS]

01:05:15   they do it they shouldn't do that [TS]

01:05:17   because that's too cool [TS]

01:05:18   it's too cool to see like in kiki's [TS]

01:05:21   delivery service that is you know [TS]

01:05:22   theoretically takes place in Northern [TS]

01:05:24   Europe and so there are amusing like [TS]

01:05:27   signs that are written in English or in [TS]

01:05:30   core German like languages and you know [TS]

01:05:33   it's writing that we can read so that's [TS]

01:05:35   kind of fun too [TS]

01:05:36   so anyway i would say i would say I [TS]

01:05:37   struggled with the movie but by the end [TS]

01:05:39   i felt like i got the power of the [TS]

01:05:43   setting and I as a result when I rolled [TS]

01:05:47   into the TV series I thought that was a [TS]

01:05:48   lot of fun so I should probably go back [TS]

01:05:50   now that I understand a little bit more [TS]

01:05:51   about section section section 9 and it's [TS]

01:05:54   not just number salad i might be able to [TS]

01:05:56   appreciate it even more and you know I [TS]

01:05:58   was a william gibson reader from way [TS]

01:06:00   back and these are the and Max Headroom [TS]

01:06:02   fan right and never did some of the [TS]

01:06:03   overlay stuff they do with the like the [TS]

01:06:06   green blinking and the like the labels [TS]

01:06:08   the heads-up display kind of labels on [TS]

01:06:09   everything is straight out of Max [TS]

01:06:11   Headroom too so I like that as a [TS]

01:06:13   cyberpunk kind of remix coming back any [TS]

01:06:17   yeah have been lots of that is actually [TS]

01:06:19   unfortunately the result of nineties [TS]

01:06:21   computer technology and not snow so much [TS]

01:06:23   an artistic choice but it ends up being [TS]

01:06:25   an artistic choice about it is it is a [TS]

01:06:27   an old-tech conception of future attack [TS]

01:06:31   that I find kind of charm [TS]

01:06:33   I mean max headroom is the same way [TS]

01:06:34   right it was at the time it was like how [TS]

01:06:36   do we use computers from 1985 to project [TS]

01:06:40   cyberspace of the future and the answer [TS]

01:06:42   is it's all like wireframe me and/or [TS]

01:06:44   it's like animated like the hitchhiker's [TS]

01:06:46   guide to the galaxy TV series it's like [TS]

01:06:48   hand animated in a style that appears [TS]

01:06:50   computery will make a green on black and [TS]

01:06:54   make it look like there's a scanline and [TS]

01:06:55   it'll totally be computery was actually [TS]

01:06:58   a smart choice for this movie doesn't [TS]

01:06:59   look as dated because they they knew the [TS]

01:07:01   limitations of technology and they said [TS]

01:07:03   we're gonna have this overview of the [TS]

01:07:04   city let's just make everything green [TS]

01:07:05   because i know it's kind of silly for [TS]

01:07:07   everything to be green but we can put we [TS]

01:07:08   can do green green is what we've got [TS]

01:07:10   like this go to do with that as opposed [TS]

01:07:13   to trying to do it in full CG because [TS]

01:07:15   that's the beauty of anime as they have [TS]

01:07:16   never been limited by that you can draw [TS]

01:07:17   anything you want and they do right and [TS]

01:07:20   one computer technology came on there [TS]

01:07:21   like what can we do with computers that [TS]

01:07:24   would be difficult to do with drawing or [TS]

01:07:26   they will add some kind of edge or [TS]

01:07:27   whatever and i just think this movie and [TS]

01:07:29   most at japanese animation the [TS]

01:07:31   hand-drawn stuff is so much better than [TS]

01:07:33   any computer stuff it's like just keep [TS]

01:07:35   the computer stuff into distance unless [TS]

01:07:36   you can unless you can make it really [TS]

01:07:38   convincing let's do opening sequences [TS]

01:07:40   really do i mean that that shows you and [TS]

01:07:43   again group good CGI is a mate can have [TS]

01:07:46   amazing character design and we've seen [TS]

01:07:47   with Pixar movies and other other great [TS]

01:07:49   movies but those two scenes if you [TS]

01:07:51   compare them it's like that it that [TS]

01:07:54   character that is the major that if that [TS]

01:07:56   is her in the hand-drawn animation [TS]

01:07:58   opening and then the other one it's just [TS]

01:08:00   a piece of plastic [TS]

01:08:01   it is just if one of the top of you you [TS]

01:08:03   can take that you could take that into [TS]

01:08:04   animation class and say what what makes [TS]

01:08:07   these things different because one of [TS]

01:08:08   these is a fully-realized character [TS]

01:08:10   hand-drawn but fully realized character [TS]

01:08:12   and the other one is a dull it's amazing [TS]

01:08:15   yeah I get kind of jarred out of it in [TS]

01:08:16   the the TV show they they like to use [TS]

01:08:18   CGI for a lot of the car chases and [TS]

01:08:20   things yeah that's what it's it's it's [TS]

01:08:22   the era its beauty and the beast thing [TS]

01:08:24   right whether yeah we can we can animate [TS]

01:08:26   can do cars we can do but we can do [TS]

01:08:28   boxes sliding across the screen [TS]

01:08:30   yeah well I mean it's like futurama they [TS]

01:08:32   do rigid bodies ships cars large [TS]

01:08:35   buildings like and eventually but [TS]

01:08:36   eventually anime television series got [TS]

01:08:39   good enough added that it kind of share [TS]

01:08:41   sells it you know it's the budget for TV [TS]

01:08:44   is very different [TS]

01:08:45   budget for film yeah so that's why by [TS]

01:08:47   the way you should never watch the to [TS]

01:08:48   put quote-unquote 2.0 version this movie [TS]

01:08:50   in which they replace a lot of stuff [TS]

01:08:52   with CG it is worse than always pretend [TS]

01:08:54   it doesn't exist [TS]

01:08:55   yeah i didn't i didn't know until just [TS]

01:08:57   now and in two seconds I'm gonna be back [TS]

01:09:00   to not knowing i'm erasing it that's [TS]

01:09:01   right right that's what I'm telling [TS]

01:09:02   everybody when they were watching we're [TS]

01:09:03   going to you know watch this before they [TS]

01:09:06   hear the podcast do not watch the dew [TS]

01:09:08   point i'll find the original seek it out [TS]

01:09:09   it's very easy to type ghost in the [TS]

01:09:11   shell and get the new one you do not [TS]

01:09:12   want that you were about live-action [TS]

01:09:14   movie starring scarlett johansson yeah [TS]

01:09:16   well I got to get to that in a second [TS]

01:09:17   but first I want to talk about your [TS]

01:09:19   rewatch idea [TS]

01:09:20   re watching this like if this is not [TS]

01:09:22   your kind of movie forget about the fact [TS]

01:09:24   that it's animated if the if the pacing [TS]

01:09:26   and sort of flow of this movie with the [TS]

01:09:28   weird musical montages and the sort of [TS]

01:09:30   philosophical talking to each other in [TS]

01:09:32   the quiet moments if that doesn't appeal [TS]

01:09:34   to you and you will never liked this [TS]

01:09:35   movie that's what this movie is all [TS]

01:09:36   about right but at the very least on the [TS]

01:09:39   rewatch you can see how like typical [TS]

01:09:41   movie stuff did you notice that he [TS]

01:09:43   showed the pictures of his family to his [TS]

01:09:45   is the the his garbage truck co-worker [TS]

01:09:48   of course you did but you didn't notice [TS]

01:09:50   that you never got to see the picture [TS]

01:09:51   because you weren't thinking that you're [TS]

01:09:52   like whatever he shown in picture is not [TS]

01:09:54   important but it later it becomes [TS]

01:09:55   important that you never saw that [TS]

01:09:56   picture because the picture of him in [TS]

01:09:57   his dog or whatever from the park not [TS]

01:10:00   things like that you will get on a [TS]

01:10:01   second watch that only connect up after [TS]

01:10:04   the fact and that's like any movie with [TS]

01:10:05   isn't it you know like the success or [TS]

01:10:06   anything where there's a any kind of [TS]

01:10:08   twist or plot reveal or now you know [TS]

01:10:11   more about the world you can watch and [TS]

01:10:12   see all that actually makes sense and it [TS]

01:10:14   all fits together and that way you can [TS]

01:10:15   enjoy the movie in a more detailed level [TS]

01:10:17   that the sort of political intrigue and [TS]

01:10:20   the warring factions in the movie are [TS]

01:10:23   much less important than the themes i [TS]

01:10:24   mean there there you can figure them out [TS]

01:10:26   but they are they don't reveal much more [TS]

01:10:28   other than making you not be confusing [TS]

01:10:29   and putting you in the brain state where [TS]

01:10:31   you're like do I have to know this to [TS]

01:10:33   make sense of the next scene in the [TS]

01:10:34   movie in general you just have to know [TS]

01:10:36   what the big moving pieces on the board [TS]

01:10:37   are and it's really more of a character [TS]

01:10:40   in themes story playing out over this [TS]

01:10:42   backdrop like you didn't even need to [TS]

01:10:43   know who was writing that tank who is [TS]

01:10:46   sending those helicopters to shoot her [TS]

01:10:48   you just need to know that these are [TS]

01:10:49   threats and that how she's doing because [TS]

01:10:50   really the internal struggle i think is [TS]

01:10:52   more important than the extra Hollen [TS]

01:10:54   yeah the external struggle becomes much [TS]

01:10:56   more I think important in the TV [TS]

01:10:58   go write a movie is much more artfully [TS]

01:11:01   internal struggle now I mean I i doubt [TS]

01:11:05   the the TV show would spend whatever [TS]

01:11:08   five minutes for about a cyborg diving [TS]

01:11:11   yeah I'm so for the for the physics the [TS]

01:11:14   actual device will talk about the [TS]

01:11:15   live-action movie here a little bit more [TS]

01:11:17   to say about the TV show after that but [TS]

01:11:18   so the the prospect of a live-action [TS]

01:11:20   version of this has been talking about [TS]

01:11:21   for many years as with any sort of [TS]

01:11:23   iconic animation thing some people want [TS]

01:11:25   to see a live action version of it some [TS]

01:11:27   people don't now apparently they're [TS]

01:11:28   making it i don't know who's attached [TS]

01:11:30   other than scarlett johansson who's [TS]

01:11:31   directing it [TS]

01:11:32   it's a stevens field produced I'm not [TS]

01:11:34   sure who's directing it [TS]

01:11:36   yeah well so high i have dim hopes for [TS]

01:11:39   this movie not just because they cast [TS]

01:11:40   Scarlett Johansson but because she just [TS]

01:11:42   totally does not reduce the major made [TS]

01:11:44   race reasons totally aside like the [TS]

01:11:47   character doesn't seem like that to me [TS]

01:11:48   the reason i don't think it'll work at [TS]

01:11:51   least as a live-action version of the [TS]

01:11:53   movie we saw is that no one will ever [TS]

01:11:55   would ever make a live-action movie of [TS]

01:11:57   this like no one's ever you do a [TS]

01:11:58   shot-for-shot remake and no one is ever [TS]

01:11:59   going to ape these themes and this style [TS]

01:12:02   in this pacing and like the core of this [TS]

01:12:04   movie [TS]

01:12:05   no one would let you make a live-action [TS]

01:12:06   really expensive movie with this court [TS]

01:12:08   because the it is it is subtle it's [TS]

01:12:10   nuanced it is lost on a lot of people [TS]

01:12:12   and it's just not broadly appealing [TS]

01:12:14   right it's not it's not a crowd-pleaser [TS]

01:12:17   write this this movie is that crowd [TS]

01:12:18   pleaser except to you know anime fans [TS]

01:12:20   and a lot of them are taking the wrong [TS]

01:12:22   banks from it if you watch this movie [TS]

01:12:24   and really excited by boobs you're not [TS]

01:12:25   you're not getting the message that the [TS]

01:12:27   movie is trying to say if you're right [TS]

01:12:28   there's other sources you could go to [TS]

01:12:30   write right it's not like they can't [TS]

01:12:33   they're never going to make a movie that [TS]

01:12:35   is in any way like this can make another [TS]

01:12:37   movie sort of like a loosely based on [TS]

01:12:39   sure I mean they made blade runner out [TS]

01:12:41   of do androids dream of electric sheep [TS]

01:12:42   and there's like no relation between us [TS]

01:12:44   whatsoever like and they're both really [TS]

01:12:47   interesting and great in their own right [TS]

01:12:48   so I don't I don't begrudge them an [TS]

01:12:50   attempt to make a good movie loosely [TS]

01:12:53   based on this but i don't think anyone [TS]

01:12:55   ever has the guts or the financial [TS]

01:12:57   wherewithal to make a live-action movie [TS]

01:12:59   that is either this live-action version [TS]

01:13:01   of this movie or a live-action movie [TS]

01:13:02   like this movie which is a shame because [TS]

01:13:04   I like movies like this i think that i [TS]

01:13:06   think that was probably going to happen [TS]

01:13:08   the greatest danger is that they will [TS]

01:13:10   not be loose [TS]

01:13:12   enough with their interpretation of it [TS]

01:13:13   they will try to stick closer to it than [TS]

01:13:16   they probably should but they'll leave [TS]

01:13:17   out all of the beautiful pieces that [TS]

01:13:19   make it what it is and it will just be a [TS]

01:13:22   mediocre action movie with lots of [TS]

01:13:24   explosions and a half naked woman [TS]

01:13:25   it'll be like the CG version of the [TS]

01:13:27   openings like we're doing the same [TS]

01:13:28   things right here she is getting out of [TS]

01:13:29   bed here she is questioned the doll here [TS]

01:13:31   she is like jumping around like that's [TS]

01:13:33   what that was right you know so little [TS]

01:13:34   they have a scene of her trying to tear [TS]

01:13:36   lid off at anchor arms a break off its [TS]

01:13:38   like that wasn't like you have to build [TS]

01:13:39   the movie like you can also we already [TS]

01:13:42   we have that movie right mentally and I [TS]

01:13:44   think it's fine i like that idea if you [TS]

01:13:45   want to do a shot for shot live-action [TS]

01:13:47   reinterpretation of this i give you [TS]

01:13:49   license to do it go ahead try to do it i [TS]

01:13:50   think it really hard because I think [TS]

01:13:52   this is the beautifully animated movie [TS]

01:13:54   and I think it really hard to be that [TS]

01:13:55   live action but if you want to give it a [TS]

01:13:57   try go ahead but if you if you just do [TS]

01:13:59   the sort of we have to have a scene like [TS]

01:14:02   this we have seen like that like that [TS]

01:14:03   pic the seven iconic scenes in this [TS]

01:14:05   movie put them in the movie the cross [TS]

01:14:06   they're not going to put the scuba scene [TS]

01:14:07   because they don't understand what that [TS]

01:14:08   seems about as sure as hell not gonna [TS]

01:14:10   have a shot through a bunch of goggles [TS]

01:14:11   water droplets on it because i have no [TS]

01:14:12   idea what that was in the movie in the [TS]

01:14:13   first place and it'll just be like you [TS]

01:14:15   made an action movie there's a few [TS]

01:14:17   scenes look familiar to me [TS]

01:14:18   I think it would be worse like I'm i'm [TS]

01:14:20   not a big comic fan but like the [TS]

01:14:22   watchman movie was big about like this [TS]

01:14:24   is like a power from the comic right [TS]

01:14:25   guys right elbow elbow at the very least [TS]

01:14:28   watch Mego has the sin city movies if [TS]

01:14:31   you really value is exactly the same [TS]

01:14:33   thing but it but further get stabbed [TS]

01:14:35   right in the hood it at the very least I [TS]

01:14:37   felt like as someone who is not a big [TS]

01:14:38   comic fan i vaguely understood what the [TS]

01:14:42   watchman comic series was about the [TS]

01:14:44   matically from watching the movie I [TS]

01:14:46   recognize that the movie was diverse [TS]

01:14:48   problems with the movie you know I i can [TS]

01:14:51   understand people who said that is a [TS]

01:14:52   pale shadow of the comic book series [TS]

01:14:53   which I think at this point actually [TS]

01:14:54   have read most of the comic book series [TS]

01:14:56   but like I understand the historical [TS]

01:14:58   context surrounding that comic and how [TS]

01:15:00   you it's not reflected in the movie and [TS]

01:15:02   it's this like kind of like I think the [TS]

01:15:04   watch movies like the best-case scenario [TS]

01:15:06   for a live-action ghost in the shell not [TS]

01:15:08   the worst get that is as good as it's [TS]

01:15:10   ever going to get and just everything [TS]

01:15:11   else is like the worst-case scenario i [TS]

01:15:13   guess is Lucy right where the spirit or [TS]

01:15:15   something like that yeah [TS]

01:15:17   rupert sanders director of snow white [TS]

01:15:19   and the huntsman as his only major [TS]

01:15:22   feature is [TS]

01:15:23   attached to that ghost in the shell live [TS]

01:15:26   action by the way [TS]

01:15:28   mm but Justin seemed likely nervous [TS]

01:15:31   nervous why and it's ya produced by [TS]

01:15:34   produced by Avi Arad who's the guy [TS]

01:15:36   syracuse a sense tingling former Marvel [TS]

01:15:39   Comics producer guy hit who did the [TS]

01:15:41   spider-man movies so yeah yeah and for [TS]

01:15:44   the TV series i could make a live-action [TS]

01:15:47   TV series like this i think that is an [TS]

01:15:49   easier sell because if you look at the [TS]

01:15:51   the anime TV series one thing we didn't [TS]

01:15:53   mention is that the TV series version of [TS]

01:15:55   ghost in the shell inject humor into [TS]

01:15:57   what the movie is almost entirely [TS]

01:15:59   humorless like it's pretty dark pretty [TS]

01:16:01   grim pretty straightforward the TV [TS]

01:16:03   series has touch Acamas like they had [TS]

01:16:06   their own little spin off things I put a [TS]

01:16:07   little shorts in there I know if you [TS]

01:16:08   watch them that is a big part of the [TS]

01:16:10   series that is it kind of like not like [TS]

01:16:13   the 18 but like section nine jokes with [TS]

01:16:15   each other they have personalities like [TS]

01:16:17   they go on these adventures they solve [TS]

01:16:19   crimes they you know they work out their [TS]

01:16:21   personal issues you know like it is more [TS]

01:16:24   like a very traditional american TV show [TS]

01:16:26   with a bunch of upskirt shots thrown [TS]

01:16:28   into it ends ridiculous outfits for the [TS]

01:16:30   women like so it's got everything bad [TS]

01:16:32   that you would think from japanese [TS]

01:16:33   animation series a lot of the bad stuff [TS]

01:16:34   american series but also a lot of the [TS]

01:16:36   good things and i don't know i worry [TS]

01:16:38   that an American TV version would would [TS]

01:16:41   look a lot like the short-lived TV [TS]

01:16:42   series almost human [TS]

01:16:44   i watch that and I would hope that it [TS]

01:16:46   could be much better because the eat [TS]

01:16:48   just as cast of characters have a guy [TS]

01:16:49   who's like this have a guy like even if [TS]

01:16:51   you just take the broadest cartoon [TS]

01:16:53   outlines of these characters it is a [TS]

01:16:54   nice dynamic within the group and I [TS]

01:16:56   think american shows do sort of ensemble [TS]

01:16:59   uh like honestly this is just a lius at [TS]

01:17:03   that point other than that the cyborg so [TS]

01:17:05   well but anything you have the setting [TS]

01:17:06   this like I said that the the television [TS]

01:17:08   series does take the setting seriously [TS]

01:17:10   and most of their stories like their [TS]

01:17:11   their entire it's not [TS]

01:17:12   monster-of-the-week it's explore [TS]

01:17:14   ramifications of these the world that we [TS]

01:17:17   have drawn typing what like every [TS]

01:17:20   episode we'll explore some ramification [TS]

01:17:21   not as if it's at revelation to the [TS]

01:17:23   people involved but because it's like [TS]

01:17:24   matter of course like up another you [TS]

01:17:27   know cyber brain is hijacked a tank is [TS]

01:17:29   rampaging through the town up this this [TS]

01:17:30   girl had to be transferred into a [TS]

01:17:32   different body and can't handle it like [TS]

01:17:33   it just happens all the time you just [TS]

01:17:35   gotta deal with it but to the view [TS]

01:17:36   it's all new and that that's the [TS]

01:17:38   excitement that I think you know would [TS]

01:17:40   would come through in the television [TS]

01:17:42   series that you have this group of [TS]

01:17:43   people and their leader and they're [TS]

01:17:45   funny little robots and the problems [TS]

01:17:46   they would solve it they would treat the [TS]

01:17:48   matter of factly but it's very [TS]

01:17:49   interesting to you because you're not [TS]

01:17:50   used to this world and i think almost [TS]

01:17:52   human fell down because it was like the [TS]

01:17:54   people in the show was shocked about the [TS]

01:17:56   world deliverance and you lived there [TS]

01:17:57   this is all normal to you it's supposed [TS]

01:17:58   to be shocking to us you can I go I [TS]

01:18:00   robots talking for themselves like [TS]

01:18:02   that's almost internet problems [TS]

01:18:04   yeah but i had dr. McCoy that was good [TS]

01:18:06   it was good it was not that came and his [TS]

01:18:10   wacky wacky robot sidekick drive around [TS]

01:18:11   solving crimes unit thing they're like [TS]

01:18:14   we got rid of the robots but now we're [TS]

01:18:16   bringing them back to makes it to add [TS]

01:18:18   like the fish-out-of-water they might [TS]

01:18:19   have aisles had like one phrase unfrozen [TS]

01:18:21   caveman cop like you're like what you [TS]

01:18:23   woke up we unfroze you guess what we [TS]

01:18:24   have robots in the police now how do you [TS]

01:18:26   feel about that [TS]

01:18:27   Jason ghost in the shell american [TS]

01:18:29   edition Karl Urban is the major are you [TS]

01:18:31   on board [TS]

01:18:32   no no its back to Carla organs bought 2i [TS]

01:18:35   will think about it that probably makes [TS]

01:18:37   a lot more sense because I don't really [TS]

01:18:38   want to see Karl Urban wearing that [TS]

01:18:40   outfit with purple hair [TS]

01:18:42   I think he could sell it you should see [TS]

01:18:43   though you should see her hair styles in [TS]

01:18:44   the second season they have like wearing [TS]

01:18:46   this weird sailor suit thing it just [TS]

01:18:47   goes out of control like the only good [TS]

01:18:50   like that's the great thing about [TS]

01:18:51   television series does more of that like [TS]

01:18:53   ridiculous animate things but then her [TS]

01:18:56   expression is stone-cold killer the [TS]

01:18:58   whole time like she just not giggle [TS]

01:19:00   she's not worth anything right but she's [TS]

01:19:02   wearing this outfit is like how to set [TS]

01:19:04   like it they I think they tried to the [TS]

01:19:07   TV series you start to you stop at least [TS]

01:19:09   I started to try to rationalize it in my [TS]

01:19:11   head again head can and stuff like that [TS]

01:19:13   she is playing dress up on herself as a [TS]

01:19:15   doll but like she's basically playing [TS]

01:19:17   with dolls and the dollars herself but [TS]

01:19:19   she still wants to be taken seriously so [TS]

01:19:21   still just completely straight face [TS]

01:19:23   expression all time and no one ever says [TS]

01:19:25   anything about it because no one's gonna [TS]

01:19:26   say anything to the major about anything [TS]

01:19:27   like what are you going to make fun of [TS]

01:19:29   her outfit that's not going to go well [TS]

01:19:30   for you [TS]

01:19:30   so that's my rationalization myself and [TS]

01:19:33   you don't even you also really don't [TS]

01:19:34   even get any if any sort of heat from [TS]

01:19:37   any of the other characters that they're [TS]

01:19:38   not like looking at her when she's not [TS]

01:19:40   looking there at that point but by the [TS]

01:19:42   time the TV show rolls around it seems [TS]

01:19:44   like the other characters even bato are [TS]

01:19:46   really not treating her any differently [TS]

01:19:48   because she's female because she's [TS]

01:19:50   dressed [TS]

01:19:50   this way certainly the gaze of the [TS]

01:19:51   camera and i'm guessing a lot of the [TS]

01:19:54   audience and definitely treat her [TS]

01:19:56   differently but within the the world the [TS]

01:19:59   fiction of the show she is just the [TS]

01:20:01   major and she's just doing her thing and [TS]

01:20:03   they kind of ignore that that extreme is [TS]

01:20:05   trappings which which I appreciated i [TS]

01:20:07   was able to i was able to sort of hand [TS]

01:20:10   wave it away a little bit because [TS]

01:20:12   because nobody else is paying attention [TS]

01:20:13   to it so I was like all right you know [TS]

01:20:14   what I'm not going to either [TS]

01:20:16   yeah it's like the it's like the world [TS]

01:20:17   of Star Trek the world the way star trek [TS]

01:20:19   is supposed to be where hot you know [TS]

01:20:22   they're there is no class structure [TS]

01:20:24   there's no money [TS]

01:20:25   listen you know everyone is like women [TS]

01:20:27   are manageable equal like the characters [TS]

01:20:30   in this setting behave that way always [TS]

01:20:32   right and aside from the vague romantic [TS]

01:20:35   tension between bato and the major that [TS]

01:20:38   is still there in the television series [TS]

01:20:39   does not play it up quite as much [TS]

01:20:41   everybody else is all about business and [TS]

01:20:43   they care about each other and they are [TS]

01:20:45   a team but there is never anything like [TS]

01:20:47   that from anybody for many of our [TS]

01:20:49   superiors the sexual harassment from her [TS]

01:20:51   superiors it's not clot money doing in [TS]

01:20:53   that way it feels so much more future [TS]

01:20:55   worldy then have an American television [TS]

01:20:57   because of the absence of luv [TS]

01:20:59   yes and that's that's what I like so [TS]

01:21:01   much and actually speaking of the [TS]

01:21:03   romantic tension that is something that [TS]

01:21:04   I never really read into it but i think [TS]

01:21:07   that that was for me kind of a personal [TS]

01:21:09   preference headcanon type of a thing [TS]

01:21:11   because it's so rare to see a really [TS]

01:21:14   kick-ass female character existing in [TS]

01:21:17   any kind of media property where she is [TS]

01:21:19   not also an object of affection of [TS]

01:21:23   romantic intent from somebody whether [TS]

01:21:26   it's required or not so for me I found [TS]

01:21:28   this very refreshing that she was a just [TS]

01:21:31   an amazing female character who is doing [TS]

01:21:33   her thing and you know [TS]

01:21:34   yeah she doesn't have a human body but [TS]

01:21:36   she still presents herself as female and [TS]

01:21:38   and that she's not treated any [TS]

01:21:40   differently because of that it's not [TS]

01:21:41   like oh my God look at the girl is doing [TS]

01:21:43   that was really cool and nothing between [TS]

01:21:47   her and bato was overt in anyway so i [TS]

01:21:50   was able to read it as just these are [TS]

01:21:52   two grown-ups that have a very very deep [TS]

01:21:56   affection for each other in a very sort [TS]

01:21:57   of complex relationship and I was able [TS]

01:22:00   to read it and watch it without seeing [TS]

01:22:02   any romantic over [TS]

01:22:03   tones because that's much more [TS]

01:22:05   comfortable for me because it's more [TS]

01:22:07   refreshing and it's different from what [TS]

01:22:09   I'm used to so so I prefer to i prefer [TS]

01:22:12   to not see that and maybe that's also [TS]

01:22:14   you know my doctor who old-school doctor [TS]

01:22:16   who fan coming through [TS]

01:22:18   I don't want hanky-panky the TARDIS I [TS]

01:22:19   don't want hanky-panky in Miami [TS]

01:22:21   what sort of thing is they're they're [TS]

01:22:23   the reason there's tension there is [TS]

01:22:25   there can't be in there two robots [TS]

01:22:27   alright like that they even mentioned i [TS]

01:22:28   think it's a famous in the TV series [TS]

01:22:30   whatever bato asks like why do you why [TS]

01:22:32   do you bother picking a woman like [TS]

01:22:34   michelle for yourself like the men he [TS]

01:22:36   picks the big strong man one like why [TS]

01:22:38   wouldn't your picking a weaker thing and [TS]

01:22:40   for her it's more like a combat [TS]

01:22:42   stylistic choice or whatever but it's [TS]

01:22:44   like there is no gender here speaking [TS]

01:22:46   wise there's no there's no hanky-panky [TS]

01:22:48   going on this stupid robot like nothing [TS]

01:22:50   is going to happen like that is the [TS]

01:22:52   tension the tension is the day they have [TS]

01:22:54   human brains that still feel loved [TS]

01:22:55   but everything else that we relate to [TS]

01:22:57   love is pointless because they're just a [TS]

01:22:58   bunch of their just riding around these [TS]

01:23:00   giant human shape tanks right and that [TS]

01:23:02   is the tension of the series and so if [TS]

01:23:03   you wanted to be like it's not romantic [TS]

01:23:05   tension it is like it's like [TS]

01:23:07   relationship tension the fact that is [TS]

01:23:09   between a man and woman you could put [TS]

01:23:11   them both into bateau shaped things and [TS]

01:23:14   the same tension would be there like it [TS]

01:23:15   doesn't it [TS]

01:23:16   that's the challenge is doing to say [TS]

01:23:17   what is a relationship what is romance [TS]

01:23:20   what is love is it just the you know [TS]

01:23:23   mechanical act what if we take that [TS]

01:23:25   mechanic the way does it exist at all [TS]

01:23:28   what if you just have a memory of an [TS]

01:23:29   existing how are you like how are you [TS]

01:23:31   acting it out and I think they have a TV [TS]

01:23:33   series her like sleeping with someone [TS]

01:23:34   sort of and having like cyber brain sex [TS]

01:23:36   or whatever like they try to find ways [TS]

01:23:39   into that like what is the new [TS]

01:23:41   manifestation of these feelings that we [TS]

01:23:42   all have our is it like an evolutionary [TS]

01:23:44   dead end and this is just a pointless [TS]

01:23:45   thing but you can wish it away because [TS]

01:23:48   they don't ever act on it but this [TS]

01:23:51   because they can't act on it just sort [TS]

01:23:52   of like one more underlying sadness to [TS]

01:23:54   battle was always kind of like I did [TS]

01:23:56   terrible things in the war and I rumpled [TS]

01:23:59   and it's kind of like mike from breaking [TS]

01:24:00   bad right like that's his whole thing [TS]

01:24:02   and one more thing is and by the way i'm [TS]

01:24:04   in love with another robot and i myself [TS]

01:24:06   am a robot it's pointless and I hate [TS]

01:24:08   myself for doing it but I do care about [TS]

01:24:09   her [TS]

01:24:10   no like he goes back it you know i don't [TS]

01:24:12   want to run the end of the TV series but [TS]

01:24:14   this there's some bits with the watch in [TS]

01:24:16   there that that illuminate the same [TS]

01:24:19   themes of the series and if you watch [TS]

01:24:21   the second time you will realize that [TS]

01:24:22   they were trying to tell you something [TS]

01:24:23   with the watch and battles actions [TS]

01:24:26   involving the watch and tachikoma is it [TS]

01:24:28   yeah you don't need to watch it you [TS]

01:24:29   don't need to watch it a second time to [TS]

01:24:30   get that if there if you're paying [TS]

01:24:32   attention it's it's pretty clear that [TS]

01:24:33   was that was actually the very first [TS]

01:24:34   time when we get to that point that i [TS]

01:24:37   actually saw oh that's that's kind of [TS]

01:24:39   what they're going for every time before [TS]

01:24:42   that when they were interacting and [TS]

01:24:44   there was the tension for me I I just [TS]

01:24:47   character-wise I didn't see them as as [TS]

01:24:50   sort of having that type of affection [TS]

01:24:53   for each other i just thought it was was [TS]

01:24:55   more to kindred he's definitely not for [TS]

01:24:57   each other the major is just I just felt [TS]

01:24:59   like there are two kindred spirits that [TS]

01:25:01   were experiencing sort of this this loss [TS]

01:25:04   of their their humanity and internet [TS]

01:25:06   determine what they were now and and I [TS]

01:25:10   liked that sort of more cerebral side of [TS]

01:25:12   it and and yes it is kind of an [TS]

01:25:15   interesting thing to think about the the [TS]

01:25:17   the fact that you're still going to have [TS]

01:25:18   emotions even though you are inside this [TS]

01:25:20   this great big shell but it didn't [TS]

01:25:22   really hit me very hard until the very [TS]

01:25:24   end there [TS]

01:25:25   yeah and it's to like it the backstory [TS]

01:25:27   the eventually get for these is like so [TS]

01:25:29   she was converted you're young and my [TS]

01:25:30   toe is sort of in the armed forces and [TS]

01:25:32   was converted later mostly converted for [TS]

01:25:34   military purposes to be baking Strong's [TS]

01:25:36   converted piecemeal I he is dealing with [TS]

01:25:39   it a fresher wound sort of of leaving [TS]

01:25:43   his humanity behind but she's been doing [TS]

01:25:45   it for a long time and it's different [TS]

01:25:47   kind of more alien and he is kind of [TS]

01:25:48   grasping at her like they're both to [TS]

01:25:51   sort of people drowning in cybernetics [TS]

01:25:53   grasping at each other and I don't know [TS]

01:25:57   why they're not grasping other people [TS]

01:25:58   maybe because they're not full [TS]

01:25:59   conversion cyborgs but like they're [TS]

01:26:00   they're finding each other in this [TS]

01:26:02   wilderness and she's like she is [TS]

01:26:04   disinfected and going off in the movie [TS]

01:26:06   into the realm of like I am transhuman [TS]

01:26:08   now and [TS]

01:26:09   I'm just moving on and he is like I have [TS]

01:26:12   these feelings and I remember what it [TS]

01:26:13   was like to be human and I I don't [TS]

01:26:16   understand it and can you help me with [TS]

01:26:17   it was like he's hanging out with her [TS]

01:26:19   like a lost puppy and she's like [TS]

01:26:21   thinking about other things so it is not [TS]

01:26:23   it is not a bi-directional thing about [TS]

01:26:25   how you define it is more unidirectional [TS]

01:26:27   but they do they do lean on each other [TS]

01:26:29   throughout the movie and television [TS]

01:26:31   series done anything else we should talk [TS]

01:26:33   about before we before we wrap it up [TS]

01:26:35   anything else you'd like to hear from [TS]

01:26:36   your your students your subjects I'd [TS]

01:26:39   like to know that you finish the TV [TS]

01:26:40   series and i have a warning that the TV [TS]

01:26:43   series is as i described all the [TS]

01:26:45   episodes follow that format in the [TS]

01:26:47   middle parts of every episode where they [TS]

01:26:49   talk about expedition are just [TS]

01:26:50   impenetrable that's part of why I wanted [TS]

01:26:52   to watch the series of it is very [TS]

01:26:54   challenging in that regard like and i [TS]

01:26:56   liked it i wouldn't say they're [TS]

01:26:58   impenetrable because I i think that [TS]

01:27:00   those sections were really all that kept [TS]

01:27:02   me afloat in some of the some of the [TS]

01:27:03   episodes was the either it in the middle [TS]

01:27:06   or sometimes at the end they'll have [TS]

01:27:08   like a very brief you know couple [TS]

01:27:09   minutes scene where that whatever two [TS]

01:27:11   characters were most involved in the [TS]

01:27:12   plot that they they cracked that episode [TS]

01:27:14   will stand together and talk about it in [TS]

01:27:16   one of them will explain to the other [TS]

01:27:18   one exactly what had happened in the [TS]

01:27:19   episode in case you didn't catch it so I [TS]

01:27:22   i found yes there were definitely some [TS]

01:27:24   impenetrable parts where they're just [TS]

01:27:26   talking about you know this block and in [TS]

01:27:29   that mafia and it and there's just a lot [TS]

01:27:31   of convoluted nonsense columbia mafia [TS]

01:27:34   five is attacking off yeah but i but I [TS]

01:27:37   appreciated those those parts because [TS]

01:27:39   without that I really wouldn't have [TS]

01:27:41   known why they were doing anything and [TS]

01:27:43   in you know in this case I I knew why [TS]

01:27:45   they were doing like 68% it's not artful [TS]

01:27:48   storytelling because there are a lot of [TS]

01:27:50   some things they discuss are important [TS]

01:27:52   and some things aren't and in the time [TS]

01:27:54   that you're hearing you don't know which [TS]

01:27:55   ones are important which ones are which [TS]

01:27:56   is going to be a major group that will [TS]

01:27:58   be an actor throughout this entire [TS]

01:28:00   television series and which I might [TS]

01:28:02   never going to hear about again and [TS]

01:28:03   they're all equal they all seem equally [TS]

01:28:05   nothing and it's not our full story [TS]

01:28:06   telling in the same way the George Lucas [TS]

01:28:07   having people sit down couches and talk [TS]

01:28:09   to each other isn't it's like show me [TS]

01:28:11   don't tell like it is the is the laziest [TS]

01:28:13   way but they only have 30 minutes like [TS]

01:28:15   the format dictates that they want to [TS]

01:28:17   have these set-pieces they want to have [TS]

01:28:18   these events happen [TS]

01:28:20   they got to get a bunch of story and [TS]

01:28:21   really fast and so they have people talk [TS]

01:28:23   to each other without moving the mouse [TS]

01:28:24   real quickly and then move on and the [TS]

01:28:26   ending part explaining like in the end [TS]

01:28:28   blah blah blah blah they're really good [TS]

01:28:30   it is very sort of american television [TS]

01:28:32   series like it was a few darn kids kind [TS]

01:28:35   of exposition and that is much less [TS]

01:28:37   artful than the movie but it has that I [TS]

01:28:40   feel like it has that comfort food [TS]

01:28:42   familiarity of again the a-team or is [TS]

01:28:45   that Miami Vice ride like a sort of [TS]

01:28:47   ensemble crime-solving interesting [TS]

01:28:51   television series that is comfortable to [TS]

01:28:53   just watch one of these 30-minute [TS]

01:28:54   episodes especially the standalone ones [TS]

01:28:56   yeah it's routine it's very procedural [TS]

01:28:58   yeah you know yep but then sometimes [TS]

01:29:01   sometimes you get touchy comas [TS]

01:29:03   yeah I didn't I did not actually care [TS]

01:29:05   for the magic almost that much don't [TS]

01:29:07   know when you over at least favorite [TS]

01:29:08   episode with like the tattoo comas day [TS]

01:29:10   out so that one I was like no i don't [TS]

01:29:13   have done with you talking tanks why [TS]

01:29:15   isn't anyone picking up on how much [TS]

01:29:16   trouble guys are [TS]

01:29:17   hey I see this you should try the if you [TS]

01:29:19   haven't seen the other seasons they get [TS]

01:29:21   they do get progressively worse i have [TS]

01:29:22   to admit first season i think is the [TS]

01:29:24   best the second one is is ok but it's [TS]

01:29:26   kind of derivative and by the time [TS]

01:29:28   you're into solid state society is a [TS]

01:29:29   little bit of a mess and then not by [TS]

01:29:31   understand why they're there they're [TS]

01:29:32   just not there for me so that they not i [TS]

01:29:35   think that when you were eventually [TS]

01:29:36   because they do have some value and then [TS]

01:29:38   finally they do the thing that I love so [TS]

01:29:41   much they remixed and rebooted it they [TS]

01:29:43   have the standalone complex arise which [TS]

01:29:46   is a reimagining of the majors origins [TS]

01:29:48   with a different animation style [TS]

01:29:50   I don't like it as much as this the [TS]

01:29:52   original series but I love seeing them [TS]

01:29:54   go ahead try to tell that story again to [TS]

01:29:56   them redesign the character but have it [TS]

01:29:58   be the same character it's like a you [TS]

01:30:00   know what alternate universe i guess the [TS]

01:30:02   whole yeah Jason tell us about the [TS]

01:30:04   spider vs the different spider-man like [TS]

01:30:06   the same type of thing you're spider-man [TS]

01:30:07   but you're not Peter Parker you are the [TS]

01:30:09   major but you look a little bit [TS]

01:30:11   different and you have an entirely [TS]

01:30:12   different like how can just keep telling [TS]

01:30:14   that story it's like legend of zelda [TS]

01:30:15   this you know there's a new link it's [TS]

01:30:17   the link but no and that's that's [TS]

01:30:20   another thing that's kind of comment to [TS]

01:30:21   and amazed that they don't shy away from [TS]

01:30:23   sort of what we would call the alternate [TS]

01:30:24   universe type stuff you know they'll [TS]

01:30:26   just they'll just do it if they've got [TS]

01:30:28   an idea so you know it doesn't have to [TS]

01:30:30   exist in the realm of fanfic like four [TS]

01:30:33   most cartoons in the United States so I [TS]

01:30:35   always always found that fascinating to [TS]

01:30:37   be able to just watch a different [TS]

01:30:38   version of the same thing that I just [TS]

01:30:39   saw that's mean I think arises like [TS]

01:30:42   three episodes are 62 really short and [TS]

01:30:45   you can watch it and I it's very [TS]

01:30:47   instructive think about in which ways [TS]

01:30:49   this is not successful at the movement [TS]

01:30:51   and tell me stories were like because [TS]

01:30:53   they do so many things very well but so [TS]

01:30:55   many other things like all you missed it [TS]

01:30:57   that's not that the you did you didn't [TS]

01:30:59   get the major that I love and you didn't [TS]

01:31:01   make a new major that I love you just [TS]

01:31:02   kind of have major window dressing [TS]

01:31:04   but you have really interesting [TS]

01:31:06   character designs and like you know it [TS]

01:31:08   I just like seeing people take a [TS]

01:31:10   multiple goes at the same story in the [TS]

01:31:12   same characters two different styles [TS]

01:31:13   different directors different writers [TS]

01:31:14   and see if they can find another angle [TS]

01:31:16   on it and in the way that I imagine [TS]

01:31:18   people like the spider of our stuff [TS]

01:31:20   where if you like spider-man you'll take [TS]

01:31:22   him anyway and get him [TS]

01:31:23   yeah yeah you don't hold too sacred [TS]

01:31:25   Peter Parker you'll say I like the [TS]

01:31:27   spider-man 2 in fact maybe I like the [TS]

01:31:28   spider-man better than the quote-unquote [TS]

01:31:30   real spider-man all the spiders crappy [TS]

01:31:31   forget about that spider-man like [TS]

01:31:33   spider-man that was all black / but this [TS]

01:31:34   one you know what was that guy called [TS]

01:31:36   venom [TS]

01:31:37   I don't know integer and you Jason can [TS]

01:31:39   explain that no I think I i love the [TS]

01:31:41   that's that yellow remix other ways of [TS]

01:31:44   tell of looking at a story is that can [TS]

01:31:47   be a lot of fun and I when we talk about [TS]

01:31:48   comic books on the show I mean that's [TS]

01:31:51   one of the things that comes up is that [TS]

01:31:52   the weight of continuity and saying well [TS]

01:31:54   you know we already said it was like [TS]

01:31:55   this versus telling stories that might [TS]

01:31:58   be a little bit different but good [TS]

01:32:00   stories and and so you know taking an [TS]

01:32:03   meet premise and doing something [TS]

01:32:04   different with it and spinning in a [TS]

01:32:05   different way you know give it a try [TS]

01:32:08   might be good might not be but it might [TS]

01:32:10   be i was reminded in arise there's a [TS]

01:32:12   character where they use new to the [TS]

01:32:14   community and skimpy clothing in a [TS]

01:32:17   totally different way in the more [TS]

01:32:19   traditional anime way every time you see [TS]

01:32:21   it you're like seriously seriously this [TS]

01:32:23   is her outfit but it's just it's so [TS]

01:32:26   over-the-top and there is no thematic [TS]

01:32:28   support for it and is not done with a [TS]

01:32:30   higher purpose it is more embarrassing [TS]

01:32:32   than the majors office season one it's [TS]

01:32:34   like how to sneak into the show like how [TS]

01:32:36   do these people get permission to redo [TS]

01:32:37   ghost in the shell do they didn't [TS]

01:32:39   understand what this character in series [TS]

01:32:40   about a [TS]

01:32:41   certainly not are there any touching [TS]

01:32:42   comas I i think there are getting [TS]

01:32:45   questions did you did you did you see [TS]

01:32:47   your eyes anybody Tony no I did not I [TS]

01:32:50   did not feel it all straight on I think [TS]

01:32:52   it's enough to think so maybe I'll just [TS]

01:32:54   as I think it's only like three episodes [TS]

01:32:55   is really really short and someone in [TS]

01:32:57   the chatroom said it was for one hour [TS]

01:32:58   episodes I think so yeah I think they [TS]

01:33:01   were talking comas it all kind of blends [TS]

01:33:03   together in a giant going to shell [TS]

01:33:04   Stewart a certain point the only put the [TS]

01:33:06   only part of of any of it through the [TS]

01:33:08   movie or the TV show that actually like [TS]

01:33:10   really really got to me emotionally [TS]

01:33:12   enough to make me cry and i'm not going [TS]

01:33:14   to say what was because it comes kind of [TS]

01:33:15   late was tachikoma related and I yeah I [TS]

01:33:18   was weepy so yep big fan that it didn t [TS]

01:33:23   you guys watch the dubs of like the [TS]

01:33:25   movie or television series the Cubs are [TS]

01:33:26   just awful on this which is a shame [TS]

01:33:28   there were a couple of times when i [TS]

01:33:29   accidentally clicked them the mouse but [TS]

01:33:32   I didn't realize it when the mouse was [TS]

01:33:33   like over my VLC player and it switched [TS]

01:33:35   over to the dumbing briefly kind of like [TS]

01:33:37   a half what's happening you don't make [TS]

01:33:39   it stop it is not good and not just the [TS]

01:33:41   voices don't match but that I think [TS]

01:33:43   they're not good voice actors and I know [TS]

01:33:46   we can and we've said this before John [TS]

01:33:48   you can't I can't judge how good the [TS]

01:33:52   actors are in Japanese like but i can i [TS]

01:33:54   can judge that they are molding in some [TS]

01:33:56   way like they're not mechanically [TS]

01:33:58   reading lines and and characterization [TS]

01:34:00   why's that the main characterization [TS]

01:34:02   thing that drives me nuts is when a [TS]

01:34:04   character does not have a perky feminine [TS]

01:34:08   voice in the japanese one and they give [TS]

01:34:10   her perky them in feminine voice in the [TS]

01:34:12   american one or at least perkier or more [TS]

01:34:14   feminine it's like or same thing with [TS]

01:34:16   the men if a man is gruff and just never [TS]

01:34:18   has an expression and in american money [TS]

01:34:20   sounds like that Brannigan take no [TS]

01:34:23   that's not that's not the character you [TS]

01:34:25   could be saying piglatin it doesn't [TS]

01:34:27   matter you're doing it wrong [TS]

01:34:28   you don't sound like the person and [TS]

01:34:30   that's that that's the worst sinners [TS]

01:34:32   like my bebop of all the dubs that I've [TS]

01:34:34   seen probably commit those sins but it [TS]

01:34:38   is watchable least but the this i cannot [TS]

01:34:40   i can't watch the way I haven't had to [TS]

01:34:43   watch the double this time thing ever [TS]

01:34:44   because i'm not showing it to my kids [TS]

01:34:47   that's the reason why it's not good i [TS]

01:34:50   saw i saw the first [TS]

01:34:52   whatever first part of the movie first [TS]

01:34:54   20 minutes or so in that and then I [TS]

01:34:55   realized I need to not watch that [TS]

01:34:57   anymore because it was awful [TS]

01:34:58   yeah and the good thing is they don't do [TS]

01:35:00   a lot of talking suffering the [TS]

01:35:01   expedition section so you can have a lot [TS]

01:35:03   of talking Maribel and you don't have [TS]

01:35:05   the city tonight look at you just read [TS]

01:35:06   the subtitles you don't look at the [TS]

01:35:07   people sitting on the couch is driving [TS]

01:35:08   the cars [TS]

01:35:09   who yep relief it's like a comic book [TS]

01:35:13   that talks to you in a language you [TS]

01:35:14   don't know [TS]

01:35:15   thanks Tony you're welcome you make me [TS]

01:35:18   it makes me like it that much more [TS]

01:35:19   that's what I'm here for I the sound of [TS]

01:35:22   of Japanese is just I find it incredibly [TS]

01:35:24   soothing now just because of so many [TS]

01:35:25   hours watching anime when I was in [TS]

01:35:27   college so it's it feels completely [TS]

01:35:30   wrong to see this style even things that [TS]

01:35:32   are made in the United States in sort of [TS]

01:35:34   an anime style of animation that has jar [TS]

01:35:36   had the Japanese language associated [TS]

01:35:38   with them i have trouble watching that [TS]

01:35:40   because it feels it just seems wrong [TS]

01:35:42   yeah it did the way a visit the couple [TS]

01:35:44   of tropes of the way japanese characters [TS]

01:35:46   speak like the big bad speak slowly and [TS]

01:35:50   a sort of measured monotone tighten in [TS]

01:35:52   Japanese and when i do man American he [TS]

01:35:54   sounds like maniacal or like Vincent [TS]

01:35:56   Price and it's like that you didn't even [TS]

01:35:57   catch the spirit of like that I get [TS]

01:36:00   somehow i give the the Japanese tropes a [TS]

01:36:03   pass because their novel in some way to [TS]

01:36:05   me i like hearing the big bad talking [TS]

01:36:07   that kind of way and I don't accept in [TS]

01:36:10   the u.s. blond cell [TS]

01:36:12   yeah it does it does sort of become [TS]

01:36:14   soothing and exotic and like this [TS]

01:36:16   singsong nonsense that you understand [TS]

01:36:18   every 17th word that of but uh huh [TS]

01:36:21   it's much nicer than the American people [TS]

01:36:23   sounding like they're from a GI Joe [TS]

01:36:24   Carter they just went right over to the [TS]

01:36:26   sound booth and recorded the dub for [TS]

01:36:27   this series [TS]

01:36:29   all right I think we've reached the end [TS]

01:36:31   John you can continue to ponder on your [TS]

01:36:35   own what your going to assign next i [TS]

01:36:37   will be doing remedial reading write [TS]

01:36:40   your name on the board in Japanese but [TS]

01:36:42   you still have time for Jason so you [TS]

01:36:45   know you still have to turn in the late [TS]

01:36:47   evening complete this is yeah then [TS]

01:36:49   that'll turn into an outtake in summer [TS]

01:36:51   school [TS]

01:36:51   yeah I think you've got six months to [TS]

01:36:53   submit over here and get a free transfer [TS]

01:36:55   permanent record Jason alright well [TS]

01:36:57   until we meet again for another meeting [TS]

01:37:00   of John Syracuse's and [TS]

01:37:03   one of three perhaps I want to thank my [TS]

01:37:07   guests Tony sindelar thank you for being [TS]

01:37:09   here anytime and Erica and sign thank [TS]

01:37:12   you for watching over things that I [TS]

01:37:13   didn't watch and some of the that it was [TS]

01:37:16   it was an incredible math is what it was [TS]

01:37:18   and John thanks for selecting these [TS]

01:37:21   things i'm sorry didn't watch it all but [TS]

01:37:23   i did i did actually like I got a second [TS]

01:37:25   wind and really get started getting into [TS]

01:37:27   it in the end starting with the series [TS]

01:37:29   so I i think im gonna good i'm going in [TS]

01:37:31   a good direction i think you turned me [TS]

01:37:32   around i give you an e for effort cases [TS]

01:37:35   but everyone else in the class gets an A [TS]

01:37:38   yeah whoo will regret only fair and [TS]

01:37:41   thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

01:37:43   listening you are our auditors you do [TS]

01:37:45   not get a letter grade but you hopefully [TS]

01:37:48   your mind has been expanded and next [TS]

01:37:50   time sign up for your own course [TS]

01:37:52   look in the course catalog for professor [TS]

01:37:55   Syracuse's anime one of not accredited [TS]

01:37:57   no not another university for the [TS]

01:38:01   uncomfortable podcast i have been Jason [TS]

01:38:03   goodbye [TS]