00:00:00 ◼ ► that's what we talked about tonight I think it was actually kind of a slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► week in tech news it was i think one thing I definitely did wanna talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► them and I probably should have read more about it beforehand but oh well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/8">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► this IDC PC sales are doomed to report and do either of you know specifics I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/13">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► know the gist of it is that PC sales are way way down 14% or something right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/21">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► isn't that like the biggest drop in a decade or so I don't like it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► industry that was always growing like every year you sold a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/31">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► and then justice like not just a you know I slowing growth but a reversal now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► it's alright don't even know if its reversal say none of us rather than 40% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► like a 90% dropper 14 percent but people forget about it if you were to grab hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/43">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► these numbers I think it would look like oh it's clear that you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/49">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► growth is leveling off and it's our turn downward and you know that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/54">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► would expect right i you know i i don't know why I think it's it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► discussing and and thinking about why people buy new PCs and and when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/65">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► buy new PCs because obviously some degree of this growth was you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/72">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► population growing and more people getting a computer at all and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/80">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► know I'm sure I'm sure that factor was responsible for probably the majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► PC sales may be in the nineties and probably a good amount of PC sales still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/92">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► in the 2000 but I would guess that and now you know these days the PC market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/96">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► probably realize a lot of upgrades in this decade and and the last one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/105">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► probably as well and and so you know I have these theories and and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/111">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► really have anything to back this up except my own personal experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/115">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► having having previously been a PC guy and a tech support guy in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/119">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► else one of my theories is you know so in the nineties when when I got my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/123">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► computer and so this is when I started paying attention plus I was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► young in the eighties but so in the nineties I feel like most people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/135">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► white why would you upgrade your computer why would you buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► computer and I feel like you know in the nineties that the biggest reasons were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/142">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► significant speed upgrades or new capabilities like if your old computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/147">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► didn't have a modem and you either a tournament your computer you got a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/153">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► computer with a modem later on you get you have networking support you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► once once broadband comes in the very late nineties you had the addition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► things like sound cards and CD rom drives and you know major major new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► hardware capabilities that sometimes required new computers and sometimes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► get done as as upgrades and then similarly like back in the nineties Ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/173">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► was so incredibly scares that an old computer and a new computer would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/179">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► actually be substantially differently performing even just like two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/185">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► later because the new computer would be able to afford more RAM and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/189">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► CPUs were doing things like adding Masco processors and adding hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/194">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► floating-point stability like things that they get that now just every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/200">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► computer and watch and HDMI adapter has built in but back then they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/204">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► mission impossible operating system operating system will self-destruct in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► six months to two years there you just slowly get worse and worse and worse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► what is a regular person do in that situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► time to buy a new computer I mean that that's what it comes down to is like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/221">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► are broken or bad or inadequate in some way that's when you replace it a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► comparison is television sets where the television set you had it still shows TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/232">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► shows as it turned onto the channel change our camp fun and HDTV was like ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► well now I feel it is inadequate because I saw my friends HDTV and mine doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► look like that it's time to buy new to you but otherwise people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► video files we just keep their TV and less TV stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► performing what the job it was supposed to do and a poppy seeds used to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/252">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► like it would if it wasn't even as good as the day you bought it for getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► compared to your friend's computer also pales in comparison but it just it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► degraded like you know software gets lower and viruses and well that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/264">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► later this week I feel like like so in like in the 2000 that I would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/269">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► was more than a bit like in the nineties I think it was much more about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► that were like computers were actually advancing significantly past their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► hardware capability here every year you see your friend writer the computer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/283">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► the shower rooms and it would be like looking at the radio TV and HDTV be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► oh well mine sucks but like in the end of the 2000 I feel like there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/294">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► this major moves towards laptops and wireless and and that that helped drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► a lot of cells and another way your link itself is being he's being cool and hip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/304">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► and I'm attached to this I get the calls for Hightower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/309">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► to that end when I was in school which was 2003 2004 I got a ThinkPad that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/313">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► a built-in 802 11 be cards so rather than having this PCMCIA card with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► little pimple on that little it was this huge boldest thing sticking out the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/327">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► well I actually had a ThinkPad with the bill teen and I think was a Cisco Cardno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/335">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► last man I thought I was hot stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► the three places on campus that actually had wireless at Virginia Tech at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► time I could do it without having that stupid PCMCIA card hang out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► computer and it was amazing but it's interesting because it's a go back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► step I remember vividly my dad and I taking our 386 and adding a math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► coprocessor to it and in so I feel ya exactly and so I feel like there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► wave there was a period of time where advances were happening slow enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► you could kind of staple them on the computer you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► and I wouldn't based on no fax whatsoever I feel like that was early to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/372">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► mid nineties and Marco I think you're right then all of a sudden velocity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► really cranked up in then you had to replace an entire computer an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/379">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► motherboard get the next advancement to be fair prices plummeted during that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/384">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► same time my first computer and ninety-four was a $2,500 and then by 97 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/387">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► I built a whole new one from parts for like nine hundred I mean it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► substantial difference you know so consolidation shrinking its many can fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► more stuff on fewer chips here just cost less money blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► to the point where you are iPhone zeroual system but I feel like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/403">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► in the two thousands there were still these things happen there were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► these these big new reasons why you'd want a new computer and a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► had to do with wireless and people moving from default of buying desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► to default of buying laptops but I think a lot like I was working briefly in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/422">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► tech support business in the mid to thousands and I was for very many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/428">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► before and after that still doing it like on the side for friends and family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/433">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► and stuff and it was very very clear that starting in the early to mid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/436">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► thousands a lot of people were replacing perfectly good computers because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► were full of malware and people thought oh it has slowed down because it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► old I guess I have to get a new one they wouldn't think to reformat and reinstall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► windows like that that was never considered they would just go out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► buy a new computer even though the difficult was perfectly fine hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/458">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► wise and which is a comical and tragic waste of resources but I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/462">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► that's certainly boosted PC sales and probably is still to some extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► although anti-malware tools are way better now and and way more widespread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► but what can you really have a lot of know exactly like people don't know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► regular people don't know like they would say I'm not a space at your new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► computer and I didn't knowingly do anything to make it slow so the US in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► must be the technology has progressed past me and it's time to get new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► hardware where you're absolutely right in reality it is well in john is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► as well you know its mission Impossible operating system where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► every six months ago have to reinstall windows from scratch and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► without really good backup solutions or I mean this is a time before in home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► networks were a thing for the most part I and it was and it was very expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/512">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► to have three times as much harder spaces you actually need it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/516">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► herself through his accuser's are probably have the highest percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► anybody just because Apple's incredible push with Time Machine and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► Apple store experience where there's likely to be someone during your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► purchase experience who told you the time she exists in this thing you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► want to consider doing and it's not that hard but the percentage is probably just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/536">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► depressingly low for Mac users and even more depressing over regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/539">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► yesterday I would guess that's true but either way my point is that let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► you had and i dont member of really valid number of the time let's just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► you had to give mp3's in early two thousands were gonna put that give mp3's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/553">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► while you're reinstalling everything on your hard drive and I mean you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► burn it to CD and obviously there's many other options that existed but they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► commonplace and that's assuming you're confident enough in your abilities to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► even reinstall windows of which eliminates 99% of the population to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► begin with everyone was just raced into the arms of the plants like devices like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► iPods and smartphones because I mean that's that's the story is like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► people are buying PCs by because they replace their PCs with a smartphone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► with an iPod over the combination because if you had to give mp3 you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► probably pretty to begin with and but if anyone with the gang of mp3's who is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/588">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► guilty probably has it on a phone and ipod that works more like an appliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► that gives them a fighting chance of preserving that in some way like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/597">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► they trashed their PC they get a new one but it just plug the iPod into an assist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/602">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► you want to sync with this I don't even know if you do that crap but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► would imagine that the lifeboat for their music is these small hand-held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► appliance like the license and is not so much like how they like them better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► businessman handheld and people have to have phone anyways just a day work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► there's so much so much more friendly to people there you know you can't screw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► up you can stop sign install apps is very little you can do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► specifically Apple devices but even even Android phones are much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► intimidating a much less easy to accidentally screw up then a PC so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/631">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► so surprised that people say well I can get facebook on this I can send text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► messages I can make phone calls I can look at the few websites I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and I get netflix on my TV y remind me again why I have a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► well thats I think that's why I like a lot of people a lot of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► assuming this report is is assuming that this decline in PC sales as is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/653">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► caused by tablets and I think it's really being more caused by smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► tablets and they they don't help matters but smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/664">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► seems gotta be by far because like it's it's the stealing the growth market of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► the people who previously were going to buy a computer but now don't feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► need for one of those keep upgrading the phone every couple of years for similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► cost to buying it really terrible PCs are way cheaper than you think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/683">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► done well by Costco and Sam's Club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► like the phone is a similar cost it's it's you know $2.99 for your fancy smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► phone + the contract to your program anyway like that's that's factored in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► its like well you got a cell phone and data plans little more expensive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► only 300 bucks but you could see an honestly you should buy three ended on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► smartphones that if you say it will be much more satisfied with only 10 at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► in this day in age if you are at all interested in a new computer and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/717">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► live in a first world country you probably have already owned one you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► you're like you know ten years old but you've probably already own one and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► you are faced not necessarily with the decision of should go out and buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/732">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► PC this year but should I upgrade my PC this year and that I feel like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/736">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► are doing so much more so much more on their phones now the phones have become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► the primary computing device for so many people that that like I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/747">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► so many people probably have this these great new smartphones whatever kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► really care these great new smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and then they have some laptop from 2008 that's like creaking and falling apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/762">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► you know some Dell Inspiron piece of garbage and discreetly plastic thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/768">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► that has been on XP on it that you know they hardly ever use maybe they open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/773">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► a couple times a year to get some files or you know do something that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/777">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► do on their phone but like what's their motivation to upgrade the computer ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/783">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► as long as it still works and even want to hear it breaks what's the motivation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► I have to wonder like how many people like this a minimum amount of computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► space in the Internet age that you have to do to feel like you're part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► society you have to do not necessarily have to have a Facebook page but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/799">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► probably have to have email and you probably have to know about the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/803">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► you know this is the baseline of like you are part of our regular first-world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► country society you have some connection to the Internet and electronic device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► and that's that's the thing that used to be bringing people on there by PCs but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► wonder how many of the people like once you cross that baseline how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► use personal computers for leisure I guess getting quotes or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/823">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► where most of the time you're at work here commuting your you doin stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/827">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► not like your leisure time a small for the working person during the day you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/832">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► have you had your job you have your family have always trusted you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► small man of leisure time per day they can watch TV go to a movie go out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/839">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► whatever you want to do during that leisure time to engage in your hobbies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► how many people choose to take any portion of that leisure time and sit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► front of a personal computer I would imagine it's a very small especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► they can get their sort of societal baseline participation in the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► age all during the day by looking at their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► well i i wouldn't assume it's that small of people who want to to have computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/860">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► like activities during that time I think I think especially social networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/866">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► especially Facebook but even before that the actual games you know so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/870">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► we still in fact I would even say that it's probably likely that that number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► people is still increasing the number of people who would rather spend their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► leisure time either in a TV was obviously the big answers in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► and still is probably the predominant answer but now you have a especially as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/890">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► computers moved first to laptops and now just two phones and tablets so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► predominantly now you have the option to be checking email and browsing Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► while you have the TV on attention to it and that's a very popular option and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► there's a lot of people who just go to the computer room or the computer desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► word over and spend their time their leisure time browsing Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/912">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► playing Little games and stuff instead of watching TV so that i think is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► still growing and still has plenty of room to grow when i picture that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/922">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► trouble picture someone going on I guess maybe it's because I'm picturing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/926">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► desktop computer that's why I can't picture it maybe if I picture a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► in there on the couch anyway that seems more plausible but i just want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► them I see them getting this done throughout the course of the day with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/935">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► their phone and even when they're sitting and watching TV and having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► next time I don't see anyone going off in your room with his desktop sitting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► that chair and doing stuff for long periods of time and I don't see people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► so much sitting on the couch with a laptop so but I think that used to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► that until phones and a little bit tablets but I don't know it's hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► me to gauge because like this circle of computer connectivity savvy surrounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► me through my own influence of like my family and everything making them all go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► get iPods and computers and like I don't know what it's like outside that circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► and also it's also worth considering the connectivity problems that certainly at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/970">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► people who have computers tend to have wifi these days usually comes for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► with your internet connection but you know if if you if you want if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► laptop and you want to bring any where most people don't tether most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► don't have 3G cards no laptops most people in their laptops are only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► connected if they have wifi somewhere and despite what many geeks like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► think wifi is nowhere near ubiquitous not even close and so but if they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► smartphone that's effectively always connected and so it's almost like I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► like computers now this isn't perfect but bear with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► computers now are kind of like PDA's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► they were cool and you have their uses for them but these other things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► coming up and then just destroying the relevance of that market because I wiped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► out like PDA is no it won't and that's why it's not a perfect analogy but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► i think it's a similar level of relevance to people now sort of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► forget as a spoiled person who works out of the house and doesn't have to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► an office i John and I is that even business people who don't under stricter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► sense they dare to their living isn't in the computer by that I mean they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► writing code or doing something along those lines business people still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► PCs in droves because they need to do corporate email me to write Word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► documents and they need to write power points and so on and so forth so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► think anything you've said is necessarily incorrect but I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► should point out that this is all true of outside of the workplace activities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► and all sorts of professions these days are still completely and utterly tied to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► having a computer in front of you always during the workday canary like to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► like I don't know if that's a good question I got the study States going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► be you know going forward like how the settlers sort of how how TV vs movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► kind of settled in after the invention of television and you know it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► worry about movies but the ratio sort of adjusted to a steady state but not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► dramatic as there was no TV and all of a sudden there is check out but yeah once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► the once the majority of people are who would have gone into work and sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► front of a PC no longer do that and he said in front of something else that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► be the bell and that's why I think the PC won't you know like like the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► theater PC won't go away because there are certain tasks that depends on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► a big screen with a nice keyboard that you sit in front of but actually all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► this is a bunch of naked peripherals that you walk up to with your phone in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► magical index is at a PC anymore is that your smartphone right I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► semantics and I'm saying like a thing with a large screen and more efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► input device that you can get in a handheld device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► whatever that thing is I'm just gonna continue calling it a PC I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► people are going to go to work and not sit in front of the one of those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► even like even if it's like you go to work and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► put your hands into the neuro receptors and put on your glasses like the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► that thing that you that is at your desk lets you get your job done that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► going to be a phone because like the constraints of different you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► it doesn't have to be small to fit in your pocket why why would it be no maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► the entire smart save your work experience are on something the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► a phone you carry with you but that that experience of you know taking advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► of the fact that you don't have to be battery-powered all the time and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► don't have to fit into your pocket you can work more efficiently when those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► concerns you listed and I don't think that will go away but I do think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► constraints don't apply to lots of activities like you know Dorking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► on the web they're reading reading my pages are you now playing on Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► using Twitter whatever like so many categories of things you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► those constraints so I I think the the ratio will adjust between these smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► devices and I think eventually it will start to blur where the only distinction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► really is how much room do you have for input-output peripherals and how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► what is your power budget are you near a plug do you need to be portable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► seems like what the long-term thing is where this distinction between smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► phone to PC will be we'll keep trying to drive a little fuzzy line as they slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► you know emerged not that we're all using smartphones again but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► know once once the smart cuts and the input-output start becoming sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► interchangeable it really doesn't make sense to this kind of like you know me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► pay came out of the closet to PC I don't like it throws the old categories for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► the only know how to talk about it I think stepping back a half step first I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► wonder how much of this PC sales downturn businesses are responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► museum we know businesses by lots of PCs they always have and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► that's a silly changing however at least not yet as yummy as you said I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► know who knows what it will be in five or 10 years but certainly for now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► does seem like everyone still buying PCs and using Office apps and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► that and that's I think it's going to be with us for quite some time but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► how much do you have any new PCs do businesses by in a recession where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► there's no new jobs for people you know if you don't if you aren't hiring a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► of people then you are buying PCs for new employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► and some some Beano annual number of PCs that will fail or wear out or be lost by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► salesman and need to be replaced in any organization but beside that basic churn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► rate of replacements like what what reason would businesses have to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► their systems if they've found something that works for them like what what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► the business world business software world offered to justify upgrades in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► last 10 12 years but in my experience in the corporate studio world and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► upgrade rate doesn't seem to have changed much like that it seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► the personal computers on people's best turned over at the same rate when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► started in the job market and like the late nineties and now which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► particularly rapid one to three years in different countries have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► policies and depends on the time of the size of the company and the bureaucracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► in the kind of deals they have with Dell for their whatever the point but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► wasn't like oh back back when the internet was new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► we got a new PC every year but now it's every three years I murder my career has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► been a similar turnover rate was just surprised but surprisingly slow for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► like to the point where most of the people have a PC that they're using that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► they think is old and crappy and they don't like but they start to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► another year before they can get a new I would agree with that I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► also double down and say that in my experience and and I work for a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► small consulting firm in Richmond but we consult with fairly large companies some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► of which are you know fortune 1000 fortune 500 or something like that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► is the point in driving out and in both our firm and and and our clients i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► seen a MacBook Air application of general laptops in the workplace and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► that I mean not necessarily everyone's getting a MacBook Air but almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► everyone I know that it doesn't write code for a living some regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► they're all getting either MacBook Airs and that does happen or they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► whatever Dell or Lenovo equivalent is that's very thin very small very light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and I kinda goes back to what you were saying John about you know what will the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► future bring its portability really paramount and it seems like even for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► people who don't travel for a living everyone had a laptop now and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► got something that vaguely resembles MacBook Air and and or is a MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► and furthermore a lot of times I wonder if the PC sales downturns are related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► Apple doing better in the business world and you could attribute that to maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► people bringing their own devices and I T departments being forced into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► supporting them you could say it's because I T is chosen to support them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► but one way or another it seems like a lot of see a lot more max today than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► ever have before and I don't think that's a particularly profound statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► or observation and so I wonder if that's reflected in this report the sighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► Marco that that PCs aren't selling as well I wonder also how much has to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► with because so many business computers used to be desk jobs and so many of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► in our laptops even for like regular employees that that probably could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► a desktop for so many businesses now laptops are the new default or the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► common type that they buy laptops don't last as long as desktops in in use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► you know like they first of all if you if you have some kind of turnover like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► you know if if you if you come into a job it wouldn't be that unheard of for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► them to give you somebody else's desktop that's like a year and a half old that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► snow still works fine for your job purposes then you get someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► computer you might if you're looking at a new keyboard that's about it but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► a laptop like a it so much harder sell to use someones used laptop because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► you're talking about a second well but how use because laptop show where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► likely to replace a keeper for $12 and it looks new but a laptop like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► out there in the real world ok well the other thing is at least also with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► laptops that they tend to have two major problems one is that they just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► their portable because they're gonna have been around a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► they I don't think they tend to last as long as you understand right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► second thing is a very very common problem is a new screen repair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► screen repairs usually once had a warrant either almost never worth doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► because they're so expensive laptop so I feel like in general I if I had to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► I would guess that the that the average business laptop is in service for less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► time than the average Business Desktop that would make you think they'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► replacing the more I see I see how the PCs are treated in the office now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► there's so many more of them I feel like Adobe owes the world like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► restitution for their / destroys laptop PC it like I see these point when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► like yeah they do like Google handover never thought I'd like anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► involves / whenever I'm in a meeting and I hear someone's tiny little high rpm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► laptop fan going it's a good bet to work around their screen had some tablets I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► stupid flash thing and I hear it you know that sound to the laptop of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► fans cranked up unless you're doing like H 264 encoding or something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► shouldn't be happening your work machine but it's so common and I'm like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► good things in your coffee on and around and drop in on the table and tipping off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► your desk and all the other terrible things that happened to laptops on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► of that they're all running hotter than they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► flash and the other thing I should point out is that again being as part of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► small firm think we have somewhere around 80 employees at small yea oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► god you have no idea but anyways so being part of a small firm believer not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► we are relatively progressive in so we have been issuing max to people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► not developers and we've been issuing them to developers for a while because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► the developers are demanding it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► one of the reasons that we are very reluctant to issue max to regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► whom don't really need it is that really use of whom now probably not I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► yelled at so many times as who that guy whatever it doesn't matter the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► every time I say who every time the point of driving at is that the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► we don't get max more often is because dell has such an unbelievably great worn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► two year warranty but service plan such that you can pretty much dropkick Adele [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► and they will be there either that day or the next day with whatever part you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► need there will come to our office they will fix it and you'll be done within 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► hours how much of these days PC vendors to realize how much they owe to Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► complete indifference to the enterprise not they're just not interested but Del [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► comes in return that's nice people doing on site help is laughable there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► are like Apple business liaisons in like they make motions in that direction but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► they're not willing to do what it takes not nor should they be as far as I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► concerned like I think they're wise to stay out of that business it's poison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► but by Apple being so terribly business and so terrible service businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► compared to you no doubt heard any other resellers PC recently was here just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► willing to do anything for you and just have a machine raid execute that is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► got to be keeping many crappy PC companies afloat because like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► like a said I have also experienced an incredible increase in recent years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► regular non geek people who want apple hardware whether they're gonna be phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► to replace that Blackberry or laptops to replace their laptops and are willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► make noise about it and make it happen and companies and that that is a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► new phenomenon in my work experience where it used to be people were a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► bit disgruntled new look at the new Little Mac everything out whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► gotta get my work done but now likely across some sort of threshold where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► you know what what why can't I have a Mac I think that would be nice and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► local gets it and what happens when it goes bad like I T people have my horror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► stories like I had to go to the Apple store like that's not how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► you're not supposed to take human beings to carry your computer to a store in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► mall that is not how corporate I T works when it wants that happened so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► tension still exists there and I don't think I'm interested in that market and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► so I don't know how that's going to resolve itself because the people wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► but it's terrible experience for corporate I T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► gets worse because the particular MacBook Pro I have a 15 inch non retin a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► late 2011 and we put 16 gigs RAM in this thing and most my co-workers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► basically the same machine and one of the machine one of my coworkers machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► there his mother board got fried somehow and so RIT got a Mac I believe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► called a logic board over San Marco email but anyway about whom as well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► anyway the point I'm driving it is is that the the RIT guy who's an awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► awesome awesome guy he took it to the mall to the local Apple store which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► literally three miles from our office and they took one look at it and said oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► this model doesn't support 16 gigs of ram that's why fried motherboard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► logic board that'll be $700 police and you think Dell would do that absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► not tell why did he go to the most I got my was I was just about to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► disclaimers likely is done right now has actual business service now this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► like stories from along time ago on campus are breaking up with this recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► where your ideal guy went to the bar I don't think we have resellers around 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► people but like that there are there bars around you'll do that stuff for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► but I think you an apple itself as programs that you can get into if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► any kind of company to not have to bring things to the Apple store and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► have a business account guided the Apple Store come to your house now go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► but it doesn't come like with replacing Peter in his hand and hand it off to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► just take the computer computer way I do think that for people I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► down down the Dell experiences like or any kind of like 90 days they come you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► get the news thing for the text thing within like two hours and your problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► is solved 3 imaged everything's back the way it was like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► operate is supposed to work and Human Services same type of things like a four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► hour window like you know you see hardware goes down your stupid support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► contract supposed to have a geek with the neckbeard parachuting into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► house and that's the thing is it's all free and then my poor I T guy he goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► Apple and they say okay that'll be $700 and by the way we need to send this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► thing to God knows where in order to get it done I mean how is what why would he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► buy anymore max ok first of all I don't think it's possible for an unspecified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► for an unapproved quantity of rammed for a logic board that's exactly what he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► failed the the number one rule of Apple do it yourself there party RAM upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► which is always keep the Apple RAM and put it back and put it back in whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► absolutely right but it doesn't negate the point that that is a really for lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► of a better word offensive experience for him and why would you continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► buy apples knowing that if anything breaks he the person the owner screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► and he's screwed for an Emmy thats detention center and Yeti Kai Eide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► doesn't want to buy Apple employees want apple and this is this constant struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► but like the tide has been shifting used to be that I just held the line no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► cannot enact their nomadic this company period no you can't bring your Mac from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► home like that was the old story and that slowly shifted once people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► their foot in the door like I was thus far as I know I was the first officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► corporate purchase Mac in my company like four years ago right now if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► when you get hired I believe it is an option for most people to say they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► like Max and tons of people have requested max invite often they get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► Mac alongside their their del so they have their Dell thing there like 430 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► work computer but they also have a work purchased MacBook Air MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► something like that really think what happened was Apple attacks from the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► their Apple made Prada and I don't know if this was intentional or not probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► not but Apple made products that were so good that the bosses start wanting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and so it depends on how I feel like how soon Maxwell permissible or supported in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► your I T in the structure of your work probably depends a lot on on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► how high up the I Department ranks authority wise and how long it took for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► somebody who ranks above them in authority to want to bring in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► iPhone or iPad or MacBook Air the bosses made that brought the iPhones in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► alongside and the MacBook Airs blackberries maybe but I would say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► developers if you have a company with whiny developers and they're the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► who brought the max in like the desktop type of thing they want to develop a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► UNIX system software but you can also do go east of Long one machine no cygwin no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► Linux services like that those are the two portals like you know c-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► executives make anything happen cuz they run the company and they want an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► they're going to get one in the cascades max although for my experience c-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► executives have not been clamoring for Macs are perfectly happy to sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► were there whatever the ThinkPad is because they really don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► use computers that shows what companies I work drive not work for companies with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► the CEOs or computer nerds on site and as a yes offer consulting firm when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► knew that the tightest had turned when one of our c-level execs and remembers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► title of which is funny cause it's like for c-level execs but anyway he had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► asked for a retina MacBook Pro when the 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► much brand new and that was the first time I'd seen a critical business person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► have a Mac and since then I'd say it's a 50 50 split between Macs and PCs but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► of the business people are all getting things like I was talking about earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► that are approximately the same form factor is a MacBook Air whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► there's a apple on the on the despite ultrabooks it's one of my love I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► you know this is this is something that the PC industry does all the time and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► isn't just the PC industry that does this but but they certainly do it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► because you take something was having some success and you immediately genera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2169">TS</a>]
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00:46:22 ◼ ► microsoft office for office for tablet type systems as 2014 and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2782">TS</a>]
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00:46:42 ◼ ► lots of people thought maybe this year Microsoft would ship office for iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2802">TS</a>]
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00:47:48 ◼ ► recurring revenue and they don't mind giving up 30 percent I don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► what is a good look like and how it's gonna file compatibility will use iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► will with the Dropbox integration we need to sign up remarks on SkyDrive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► servers and there are so many unanswered questions about how would this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► fish bicycle scenario houses even gonna work I don't understand and that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► is much more interesting than does the ipad something because it has office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► think people care about that when I don't know if I'd be so sure I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► your average consumer your average business consumer is assuming that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► iPad is a break that is useless for doing normal day-to-day business things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► because it doesn't have office right now as it turns out I think that's bogus but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► I think you're jo Jo smoke and business consumer I bet you it will be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► mental shift once it's available that stage piano like it'll it'll be the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► way the keynote is available iOS and Mac so no matter what presentation you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► to work identically in both places right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► like you know the crazy like oh you in bed this Excel chart discharged in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► thing and this PowerPoint and Excel document on the updated excel doc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► this is still use that stuff you can't do that on iOS like this just no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► like you have to it's not going to work the same as doesn't stop and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► found as the bar it's like you know cause I have office on my Mac but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► know people still turn their nose up at 10 rightfully so business like passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► around what should be a text file but instead it's a word document that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► some reason has some crazy macro thing into something and it doesn't look right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► on your Mac so just just open your V em and just don't even bother with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► like if it's not 100% compatible like I I found an amazing variety appointments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► variety but an amazing variety in the features of these individual files that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► people use an officer windows and at having office in the Mac like maybe gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► the foot in the door maybe check the checkbox but in practice all the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► come across documents do not look the same on the Mac and PC so what hope is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► there really that someone's going to be able to take a document somehow spirited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► over to your iPad and it will function correctly there even just interviewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► for editing just like would look the same when I open it very little faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► that this will be so I think it'll be the same time of nama well it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► office and it will get in the door but in practice gonna be like look if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► didn't created an iOS is gonna look different there something you might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► work and if you wanna see that are real budgeting spreadsheet you have to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► on a PC and I would say also that's not that different from the status quo I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► mean right now like you're you're totally right that if it's gonna be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► a different edition of office if it's gonna work differently at all looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► almost certainly would have to then that's going to be like a major problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► for integrating into businesses but right now we already have that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► we have pages and you know we have I work on iOS so we already have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► a situation now where people can open MS Office documents on their iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► and a half and right and it kind of works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► and if you're coordinating with someone else who's using the PC version you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► probably have issues or you'll have your having consistencies and weird for many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► problems I mean it at our office people still send over documents emails and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► make web pages with links that the URL links is G Cohen backslash because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► dont have the G drive or or or triple slash you know like you know share name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► for like a share this mountain and every species because 90% like that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► world works and it's like if you are you go i click on the link and nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► happened there gonna be like I was just looking to see it works out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► that's the world the max come into and that's why I like the people who get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► them like people who can support themselves because I he doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► that they can't make everyone stopped offering documents with PC specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► features or pads to shares that are not mounted just backslashes works fine for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► me when my Windows machine and see what the problem is I completely agree my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► point is simply that I think you yourself it's at this John it gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► foot in the door in it at least let it become part of the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► whereas I think for an average business users there's no office it's not even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► discussion there I'm not even gonna give it a shot in reality even if there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► office it's gonna be a piece of garbage not because it's Microsoft just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► there's way too much complexity for that platform but I think just having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► there would be a big win in the sense that it would at least let the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► enter the conversation Windows 8 is really the entry of tablet computer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► the office in theory like once once the fuel and and Windows 89 laptop laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► will become the real deal and I see no reason if Microsoft is able to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► going on this course that they can't produce was essentially that thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► you know they do convertible tablet we're just talking about essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► that but the non crappy version because now finally in something that's with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► like with no keyboard attachment maybe the clicky keyboard or maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► full-size keyboard than blue suit or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► suddenly you have real computing power a reasonable small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► screen maybe the possibility to like hook it up to another screen like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► dockable laptop without a keyboard that turns into the hole is all Windows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► concept and I think that is a reasonable concept for business because if it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► x86 and there you can run the route 30 versions of Office we're just talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► be incompatible with like you know the 97 documents that people are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► passing around companies all over the world but like thats that will move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► things on and i think thats Microsoft goal is like a we would like to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► Windows 87 Ultrabook a Windows 8 tablet but really mostly gets uses PC but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► doubles as a taboo movies like that's what they're going for and that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► reasonable to me and once that happens then it's like well everyone else has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► these little things look like squares that you carry can I have this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► with the Apple logo on the back to square the you carry and the distinction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► as Annex A six runs my office I think that would be even less of america's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► electorate well that's a rectangle two dozen of office yeah but they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► well i think i mean it's worth considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► would Microsoft withhold office from iOS as a competitive advantage to boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► Windows 8 tablets just got done with you think I don't know why I think I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► worked on the project with gust 0 at the moment the iPad was announced that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► get the mattress here they need to get working office that maybe they didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► that but at this point it's not like they're holding it back they just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► not been scrambling to get it maybe they probably are scrambling to finish this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► point but yeah I don't I just think it's a factor of 10 size and syncing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► whatever the crazy stretches gonna be for pricing figuring all that they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► started on it when they finally got all their ducks in a row what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► going to do and they're writing it and it will be done is done I don't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► that I i honestly I think right now maybe two years ago I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► believed that they wanted office everywhere and they're gonna put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► the iPad ok but now now that they have their own alternative to the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► they're they're competing directly with iPads and iOS four professional / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► business / office use I can see them totally wanted to keep Microsoft Office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and and you know quote the real microsoft office they've already you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► that as a selling point that these these are tablets ego you can also get real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► work done on I can see the morning to keep that exclusive and not ever making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► an iPad version of Office now make money maybe to be crappy maybe be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► like it's made by different team not really compatible I think it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► eventually be there once they get everything sorted already mean their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► tablets and iPads don't like they're they're milking the exclusivity period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► now it's not I don't think I don't think it's anything to be gained by then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► extending it out for years and years like you know like I mean why do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► keep making Office for the Mac you know they're not they're not about to yank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► that away and say well you always want to get a PC like they make money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► these things like that's the bottom line like the night business makes the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► and I'm sure office for iOS well as well in the price it as a whole $9.99 and or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► or maybe it'll be you know a recurring subscription and I don't even know ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► know what to do but I'm sure whatever they do it will make the money another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► thing to consider is and and i'm talking a little bit out of my wheelhouse now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► but I know I've heard a lot of rumblings around our office that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► considerably cheaper for us to start using Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► their office 365 or whatever it is which I don't know barely anything about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► apparently is all I can think its web based its like Google Docs and Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► spreadsheet or whatever but anyway apparently there's some office 365 thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► whatever that means that I'm being told is actually considerably cheaper and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► believe that's a subscription-based thing regardless of its native software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► or if its web based its subscription and so that that makes me wonder john if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► you're absolutely right that if something arrived on the iPad may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► either be part of this office 365 thing or it would at the very least via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► subscription one way or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► description bug in there but for so many years and it's just such a hard sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► like Adobe to manage to pull it off but they've managed to not have just taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► to a backlash Adobe did this description they may continue to sell alongside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► it's a type of thing for people I think mentally resist the notion of 10 have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► pay every year for this thing but I think once they get on that train and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► you do really well if you actually if if it's not just the same exact experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► only now you pay every single year if it's like oh well now you get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► updates instantly and as I think we never have to worry about licensing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► you know you give all the benefits you could possibly have a description of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► can deliver on those benefits I think it is possible to bring the ideas into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► people are already paying like whatever the hell thing you pay microsoft they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► like you get access to all our software for free you know like those deals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► they make with companies are you ok with your licensed this endeavor you pay this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► amount of money for Exchange server and you get unlimited number of seats in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► and he any software in our library that you want you can download licensed three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► versions of it and distribute you know that is basically a subscription but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► must be renegotiated repurchase and stuff it would be nice to review its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► automated through your computer is connected to the big Microsoft servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► and money flows from your company into there is every year that's the dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► isn't that what dotnet originally meant was it wasn't the dotnet initiative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► original the one of the names for their subscription plans to return the covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► many different things but I was associated with the common language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► runtime and you know that whole big ball acts I thought it related to like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► Microsoft Live before was Microsoft Live MSN Live whatever they're calling it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► I think it was it was done a passport that's one thinking oh yeah but i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► but most people don't know his darnedest out now just like iCloud as I clubs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► iCloud even though under the hood its many different technologies doing many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS5leAA/3543">TS</a>]
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