0:00:00alright i'll forgive you for cheating
0:00:02how you feeling you feel better you
0:00:03still get more excited now I feel
0:00:04terrible that I invited John the show
0:00:06no I'm doing really good it's one of
0:00:07those things where like I want someone
0:00:08who's only really sick at night and like
0:00:10late at night like nine o'clock i feel
0:00:12horrible but you know what's the damn
0:00:14fine i'm using of the remaining hours of
0:00:16you
0:00:16not a lot of fun alright well we'll try
0:00:20to hurry up
0:00:21no not at all what you want to start
0:00:26with you want to do the interview stuff
0:00:29do you want no I think we should i save
0:00:30let's save that ok let's do this let's
0:00:32talk about a topical new stuff that
0:00:35apple and finally publishing AI yeah
0:00:38there's that was that was that's you
0:00:40know they said they were going to do it
0:00:42and now they've done it so it's you know
0:00:43in some ways it's you know Apple does
0:00:46what they said they were going to do so
0:00:48it's not that big a deal but it's you
0:00:51know it's another step in the new Apple
0:00:54the open apple right absolutely and what
0:00:57was hilarious to me is that we talked
0:00:59about this on on the talk show
0:01:01previously was google got up at i/o and
0:01:04instead of showing off a lot of cool
0:01:05stuff that they're doing with AI they
0:01:06basically reintroduced sequential
0:01:08inference from Cirie from 2010 and
0:01:11everyone just lost their shit and said
0:01:12you know apples way behind and apples
0:01:14been doing this stuff since before
0:01:16Series and they've been doing all sorts
0:01:17of different machine learning and it and
0:01:19he's never spoke about it and now
0:01:21they're sort of has become table stakes
0:01:22and Wall Street and everyone's judging
0:01:24you based on your apron AI performance
0:01:26so they have to get out of the story
0:01:27sequential inferences when you do
0:01:29something like haste well hey dingus
0:01:32what what's the Dallas Cowboys record
0:01:35and then Syria will answer we can tell
0:01:38you that there are 13 into and then you
0:01:41say when do they play next
0:01:44yeah and Cirie you know I don't know if
0:01:46that I don't know if that particular
0:01:47example works but sequentially in front
0:01:49it what we call it sequential equation
0:01:51inference the current is when in other
0:01:53words the sequential query Siri can
0:01:56infer what I mean when I say they yeah
0:01:59like this last example is what's the
0:02:00capital of Germany and it'll say Berlin
0:02:02you say what's the population you want
0:02:03to say Berlin again because it remembers
0:02:05what you're talking about right which is
0:02:06something that you don't it
0:02:09the reason I don't even know I'm not at
0:02:11whenever one amount of AI researcher
0:02:12number two
0:02:13the reason that most people don't know
0:02:16the term sequential inference is because
0:02:18it comes naturally to human beings it's
0:02:20called having a conversation
0:02:22yeah absolutely right it's all part of
0:02:24their natural language you no matter
0:02:26whatever magic that they've got going on
0:02:29right there's all sorts of things that
0:02:30will say even in this conversation on
0:02:32the show that taken out of context as an
0:02:36individual sentence somebody would say I
0:02:37don't know what the hell they're talking
0:02:38about but it makes perfect sense in the
0:02:41midst of a conversation and that's a
0:02:42very tricky AI problem
0:02:45yeah and you know it go again there was
0:02:47all this conversation about right now a
0:02:49people are saying amazon is far away
0:02:51ahead in terms of natural language
0:02:52invoice assistance and we saw the story
0:02:55about when hotels installing alexa in
0:02:58all of you know the win and in encore
0:03:01encore and yet to some extent because
0:03:04but I think it's also greatly inflated
0:03:06by how much American tech point is
0:03:08really love amazon because outside of
0:03:09the US and the UK and now Germany's in
0:03:12September it
0:03:14amazon has absolutely no presence
0:03:15meanwhile Apple and Google are doing
0:03:16multilanguage and Ellie sometimes
0:03:18multilingual where you can switch from
0:03:19one language to another during a
0:03:21conversation which is super important in
0:03:22some countries like Europe even in
0:03:24montreal and so everyone is sort of a
0:03:26head in different areas when you
0:03:28normalize it its it's super interesting
0:03:29area
0:03:30yeah so we get segue right into the
0:03:32story about the wind encore
0:03:35yeah it's pretty interesting
0:03:38so the basic to miss anything on the
0:03:41other story the it was mostly was
0:03:44basically computer vision where they
0:03:45were trying to train its super hard to
0:03:48get right you all the time being and
0:03:49annotate images because you have to go
0:03:51to the image and tell the computer
0:03:52everything is so they're trying to use
0:03:53simulated images to identify enough that
0:03:56they can start applying what's in the
0:03:58start figuring out what's in the natural
0:03:59images right but as i wrote i think i
0:04:03don't know i guess i agree with myself
0:04:05but the bigger news is not it
0:04:07whatever the details of this particular
0:04:09paper it's that Apple's AI researchers
0:04:12are in fact publishing papers at all
0:04:14guys apple is a very secretive company i
0:04:17don't know if you knew that and they
0:04:19traditionally keep what they're working
0:04:22on to themselves until they have a
0:04:24product
0:04:25and even when the product comes out they
0:04:27don't really explain a lot often don't
0:04:29explain how it works they just put it
0:04:32out for people to enjoy
0:04:34yeah that seems to have changed
0:04:35radically like right around the wdc when
0:04:37they started talking about computer
0:04:38vision and machine learning on stage and
0:04:40then tim cook made comments about how
0:04:41they're using artificial intelligence to
0:04:43increase battery life and apples one of
0:04:45the few companies that makes their own
0:04:46look like Samsung make some silicon but
0:04:48they don't use it and all their phones
0:04:49apple does so they can put stuff in the
0:04:51chip that does a lot of the stuff that
0:04:52you know other companies have to do in
0:04:54the software layer and they've they're
0:04:56deeply invested in all this technology
0:04:57yeah there when it was a presentation
0:04:59recently that Apple AI researcher gave
0:05:01it i think it was actually where the
0:05:03news came out that they're going to
0:05:04start publishing and I know that this
0:05:06this particular thing on the image
0:05:09recognition was part of the talk that
0:05:10was given and they were talking about
0:05:14like that the custom set of images that
0:05:16they have that's apparently way bigger
0:05:18than then like the standard one that's
0:05:21there's like an open-source one I don't
0:05:22know if it's actually open source but
0:05:23effectively open that researchers can
0:05:25use an apple has like their own
0:05:26proprietary set of i don't know how many
0:05:28million images but the big story is the
0:05:32bigger story is that Apple's publishing
0:05:33it at all because that the and I think
0:05:36this is true i think it's a very simple
0:05:37story which is that in the AI community
0:05:39it's a very it academic community and
0:05:42much like the university world
0:05:43publishing is it is how you get ahead
0:05:48professionally and so to take a job as
0:05:51an AI researcher at a company where
0:05:53you're not allowed to publish anything
0:05:55is is sort of a dead-end career wise so
0:06:00you you know you you could maybe throw
0:06:03money at the problem but at a certain
0:06:05part it you know for a lot of these
0:06:07professionals you know their career is
0:06:09more important than their salary they're
0:06:11not in it for them getting I mean he's
0:06:13nice i'm sure that you know apples are
0:06:15researchers are not compensated very
0:06:17well you know compared to like the
0:06:20median income of the average citizen in
0:06:24the United States but it's just more to
0:06:27it than that if you're if you're really
0:06:28are looking to cultivate a decades-long
0:06:30career publishing is fundamental to it
0:06:32and apparently apple had a notorious
0:06:34reputation that it you know like a
0:06:36conferences and stuff like that that AI
0:06:38researchers
0:06:39just it just wasn't a place that you go
0:06:41because you know you can't publish yeah
0:06:44and then was similar this year security
0:06:45I mean for years Applewood just swallow
0:06:47up people who are experts at algorithms
0:06:48or you know some of some form of
0:06:50advanced computing or product category
0:06:52that they wanted to do and they would go
0:06:53into a black hole and you never hear
0:06:54about them again and this year they're
0:06:56very slowly started letting Apple people
0:06:57presentable prep present even Christic
0:06:59presented at black hat this year for the
0:07:01first time and I have these papers being
0:07:03published and it is becoming table
0:07:04stakes to acquiring and retaining the
0:07:06best talent and if Apple can't or won't
0:07:08offer that as an option of the companies
0:07:10will so I think it's become a
0:07:11competitive area that the after lent
0:07:13yeah actually it wasn't the first time
0:07:15Apple presented at black hat they
0:07:17presented along behind ago and it was a
0:07:20widely hand talk because it was so empty
0:07:25it was sort of what you think like a
0:07:26secretive company would give it's like
0:07:27you know it it was sort of like an empty
0:07:32presentation now years later maybe like
0:07:3510 years later the presentation this
0:07:36year was a lot of people because of the
0:07:39last 1i I saw a lot of coverage over
0:07:41from black hat attendees they like
0:07:42rolled their eyes and they're like yeah
0:07:44some and then it ended up being a very
0:07:46very serious you know informative talk
0:07:50yeah absolutely and again like that's
0:07:52what you want for the top people in in
0:07:53the respective fields especially if it
0:07:54is something is new and exciting as AI
0:07:56which a lot of people think is going to
0:07:57be the next big chapters and computing
0:07:59yes
0:08:02so speaking of AI what in the news this
0:08:05week was this announcement you referred
0:08:07to that the wynn and encore in las vegas
0:08:10nevada are going to equip all over their
0:08:13rooms like about 4,800 rooms between the
0:08:16two with a an Amazon echo when an encore
0:08:22is sort of one big resort there's you
0:08:24know you can go between the one and the
0:08:26other without ever stepping outside
0:08:27there's like a shopping mall between the
0:08:30two so it's sort of really it's more
0:08:34like one property it's just too
0:08:35different towers and and slightly
0:08:37different themes between the two
0:08:40it's a lot 4800 is like a lot of rooms
0:08:43[Music]
0:08:45and i think it's interesting like my
0:08:46take on it is that we you know there's a
0:08:49lot of talk that a it's early days of
0:08:52this voice driven AI stuff
0:08:53nobody's too late to the game like the
0:08:55fact that apple doesn't have a
0:08:57standalone speaker type thing like the
0:09:02Google home and the Amazon echo doesn't
0:09:05mean that they're too late you know
0:09:08because it's so early it's sort of like
0:09:09how maybe you know with smartphones in
0:09:122004-2005 the fact that Apple didn't
0:09:15have one was didn't mean they were too
0:09:17late obviously in hindsight and that the
0:09:21situation might be similar to that with
0:09:23voice but you know 4800 5,000 of them in
0:09:27a hotel here 5,000 a hotel there and all
0:09:29of a sudden it's you know you can have a
0:09:31pretty entrenched market leader because
0:09:34it's also the sort of thing that like in
0:09:36a a hotel room is not going to get
0:09:38replaced every year or every two years I
0:09:40like like a cell phone is yeah no
0:09:43totally anything again it's one of those
0:09:44things that really depends on your point
0:09:45of view because some people will look at
0:09:46the Amazon echo or now the google home
0:09:49and say that Apple is super far behind
0:09:50because they don't have a home hub where
0:09:53with amazon if you have the Amazon echo
0:09:55or the dot and you leave the house and
0:09:57then realize something's wrong you can't
0:09:58just yell and and change whatever is on
0:10:01that device it were with Syria it's it's
0:10:04super portable across a ride ray a wide
0:10:05range of different devices and Google's
0:10:08assistant it can be in the home that can
0:10:09be on the phone it's in all of those
0:10:11areas and again amazon echo only
0:10:13functions in i think two languages now
0:10:15in three countries compared to multiple
0:10:18languages including Chinese and Hebrew
0:10:20or something like Siri so you can look
0:10:22at and say Amazon is super far behind
0:10:24because they don't have multilingual
0:10:25they don't have multi-device they don't
0:10:26do not mobile and portable an assistant
0:10:28that's not with you all the time it's
0:10:29not a very good assistant at all so it
0:10:31with all the stuff is very perspective
0:10:33based but i think this is sort of the
0:10:34exciting period where everything's being
0:10:35figured out and the winner is a huge
0:10:37huge win for amazon but again like we
0:10:41for me it's like what is what is the
0:10:43implication of all this is a dumb
0:10:44terminal it's gonna just parts voice
0:10:45commands and do a certain subset of
0:10:47features or there was a storing the
0:10:49information today about a court subpoena
0:10:50amazon records in a murder trial and I'm
0:10:53gonna have to worry about everything i
0:10:54say in a hotel room from now on you have
0:10:56I just was about to mention that
0:10:58well and I got even wrote you know a
0:11:00it's in any hotel room I think that a
0:11:04reasonable it's reasonable for somebody
0:11:06to to have privacy concerns about and
0:11:08always listening electronic device
0:11:10whether you're committing a crime or not
0:11:14and in vegas in particular there might
0:11:17be you know there might be more concerns
0:11:19than in other cities
0:11:21I don't think that's I don't think
0:11:23that's unreasonable in the least bit so
0:11:25I'm why I'm curious and a practical
0:11:27level what the wynn and encore will do
0:11:30if some guest is checking in and says I
0:11:33don't want that
0:11:34yeah one reminds me of that the citizens
0:11:36for the domestic the the movie they
0:11:38don't documentary about Edward Snowden
0:11:39and all these all these companies have
0:11:41technology like they say parse the voice
0:11:43locally until you say the command phrase
0:11:45and then they engage the network so it's
0:11:47not as if everything you're saying
0:11:48stream to amazon but we don't know if
0:11:50that can change and we don't know if
0:11:51someone can order that to be changed so
0:11:53sorta like whenever someone sees that's
0:11:55phone he starts taking it apart and the
0:11:57reporter says but that phone's not on he
0:11:59goes haha you know is if that's the most
0:12:01naive question in the world right and
0:12:04you have to deal with
0:12:04yes i understand that amazon says where
0:12:06the technology is built this way I don't
0:12:08know who flipped a switch or force them
0:12:09to flip a switch and I i can't
0:12:11understand the state of this device
0:12:12therefore my only option is to
0:12:14disassemble it right and I you know a I
0:12:18i have the echo downstairs and and by
0:12:21default you know it's very very simply
0:12:23just plug it in you can unplug if you
0:12:25unplug it i'm pretty sure you're good
0:12:26because there's no battery in it and
0:12:30when you address it it with the the you
0:12:33know whatever your catchphrase is I
0:12:35think you have the choice with that with
0:12:36the guy i use what i use alexa i think i
0:12:40think you cannot forget what else you
0:12:41can call it you can call it like echo or
0:12:43something I don't know what I call it
0:12:45Alexa and then when Alexis starts
0:12:49listening there's a blue ring that
0:12:50lights up so you know
0:12:52ok now it's it's listening but it's
0:12:56always listening because otherwise i
0:12:58would hear alexa yeah they just they
0:13:01claim that is locally listening only
0:13:03until here's the phrase and then enables
0:13:04never function but again in a postmodern
0:13:06world
0:13:06I don't want to make any of these
0:13:07assumptions anymore right and
0:13:10who is to say whether it a court order
0:13:13could force them to secretly I mean
0:13:19again it sounds like paranoid stuff like
0:13:20if you told me I'd be talking about this
0:13:2210 years ago to thought I was not but I
0:13:24mean this stuff you know this stuff has
0:13:27come to pass that these you know you get
0:13:29these don't forget what they're called
0:13:30the court order that in addition to
0:13:33having to comply with it you're also not
0:13:35allowed to talk about it or to inform I
0:13:37got your customer their security letters
0:13:39right national security letters like
0:13:41who's to say that they can't come to
0:13:43amazon and either force them to to make
0:13:46it listen without having the blue light
0:13:47light up or similar to the the the apple
0:13:53case from earlier this year you know
0:13:55like what if the FBI has or you know
0:13:58whoever else law enforcement they have
0:14:00their own team of hackers who have a
0:14:02patch you know like you don't even after
0:14:051 i'm going to make you write it which
0:14:06all we want we just want to force this
0:14:08patch on to this guy's echo or in a
0:14:13state or a hacker just goes into the
0:14:14assembly line or sort of themselves into
0:14:16the source code you know they just
0:14:17hiding amongst the other programmers
0:14:19it's right if you don't bring the device
0:14:20into the room you conscious level can
0:14:22never be a hundred percent about that
0:14:23device right so it's yeah exactly
0:14:26especially going to how to hotel removes
0:14:28to say that the device hasn't been
0:14:30riddled with by if somebody you know not
0:14:32even even if you trust the win-win
0:14:33corporation completely who's to say that
0:14:35a previous guests hasn't been taught me
0:14:37their jobs where if your devices are
0:14:39ever out of your sight you just have to
0:14:40walk away you can never pick them up or
0:14:41touch them again and you know the
0:14:43vaguest idea where they're going to have
0:14:45guests like that I wonder how they're
0:14:46gonna talk about the same level who's to
0:14:48say that I mean if you're going to say
0:14:49that there's the malfeasance who are
0:14:51going to come in and act the echo in the
0:14:52room who's to say that they didn't go in
0:14:54and and plant the bug that just an old
0:14:56fashion bug underneath the bed or
0:14:58somewhere else for a housekeeping
0:14:59absolutely spotted so I mean it's not
0:15:02it's not like it's entirely new but why
0:15:04would they did why would the wind to
0:15:05this I've stated the win several times
0:15:07where by several I mean many we stay
0:15:11there every CS I if I went there for CES
0:15:14i would definitely stay at the win
0:15:15I would do if I ever go to see yes and
0:15:18it's a perennial topic on the top and
0:15:20I'm not going this year and this year it
0:15:21was impossible for
0:15:22for personal reasons here i've got i
0:15:24cannot be away in early January but I
0:15:29every year I say boy one of these years
0:15:31I'd like to go to see yes just because
0:15:32not because I think it'd be great I
0:15:33think I i think for all the reasons that
0:15:35people in the press complain about it
0:15:36would be bad but i think it's something
0:15:39to see
0:15:40and I don't think it's gonna last
0:15:41forever and so I kind of want to see it
0:15:43while it is still a thing but anyway i
0:15:45would state win for sure because it's my
0:15:47it's my favorite place in vegas and B
0:15:49it's reasonably walkable to yeah to both
0:15:55the convention center which is a bit of
0:15:57a hike from the win and it's right next
0:15:58door to the sands convention center
0:16:02which is next which is part of the
0:16:03venetian where there's a whole bunch of
0:16:05other stuff I you didn't fit so close to
0:16:08the venetian that you'd be nuts to take
0:16:10a cab
0:16:11you did yeah absolutely you do you take
0:16:13your 20 minutes longer than it would
0:16:14take a walk so the annex more hotels
0:16:16every year so one day I'll just be in
0:16:17the in the wind
0:16:19haha i doubt it i don't think the wind
0:16:21would I think the wind would turn it
0:16:22turn the business down now honestly I
0:16:24know they don't want the riffraff
0:16:27but anyway I've been there many times
0:16:28and they actually recently i think
0:16:31within the last year i think only the
0:16:32last time i was there did they have the
0:16:34new setup but they replaced
0:16:36there should be a console next to one
0:16:37side of the bed that would control the
0:16:40drapes what they call the shears
0:16:42so you like let light in but have you
0:16:45know like sheer things that nobody could
0:16:46see through the window and the various
0:16:49lights in the room so you control the
0:16:51lights to control the drapes in this
0:16:52year's with this touch thing they
0:16:54recently replaced them with a sort of
0:16:56new one that still looks sort of a tease
0:16:59ish it looks like really high-end
0:17:01consumer electronics from the eighties I
0:17:05can't help but think that maybe that's
0:17:06part of how this is possible that they
0:17:07got these new ones that are more at
0:17:11least sort of computerized rather than
0:17:13purely electronic so that Alexa you know
0:17:15that they can write some kind of custom
0:17:17app to to have it happen and you know
0:17:21the wind is supposed to be you know the
0:17:22nicest place in town i think it is the
0:17:24nicest place a high-end hotel it's sort
0:17:26of annoying if you think about it if
0:17:28you're in bed with another person that
0:17:30only one of you has those controls on
0:17:32their side you know yeah give us our
0:17:34spot right it's you know
0:17:36like for us it's it's not like an
0:17:39argument over you know we always with me
0:17:40and Amy its I always sleep on the left
0:17:42she on the right i mean this is I don't
0:17:44know she's 20-something years and it's
0:17:46that set in stone but like a lot of
0:17:50hotels it's like when you stay there
0:17:51it's like every other room is every
0:17:53other side he and so it's like a fifty
0:17:56percent chance who's got the the thing
0:17:58so just being able to address Alexa and
0:18:01say hey open the drapes is Debbie way
0:18:04nicer than being there will be ten times
0:18:06nicer and plus honestly the buttons
0:18:08don't even work half the time you touch
0:18:09them
0:18:10yeah so I think it'd be great and with
0:18:13the lights and stuff like that it every
0:18:14time you go to any hotel I mean like I
0:18:16stay at the wynn you know at least once
0:18:17a year and I still get confused over
0:18:19which lights control which which buttons
0:18:21control which light so the credit mean I
0:18:24was I made alexa very open platform and
0:18:25it seems you know I'm not a developer
0:18:27but it seems relatively easy to sort of
0:18:28add these these automation these
0:18:30customizations to it and they've got a
0:18:31lot of your home recipes formulas or
0:18:34what the nomenclature is but it sort of
0:18:36add these control points to them for
0:18:37different features and services
0:18:39yeah but here's what's weird and i have
0:18:41a friend hunter who has a a great app if
0:18:46you ever go to vegas vegas mate just
0:18:48it's just sort of like a and you know
0:18:52like a tour guide type thing like and
0:18:55you can just plug in a is news so you
0:18:57can find out what's going on in vegas if
0:18:59there's anything new going on so there's
0:19:01lots of news and how to get between
0:19:03places and stuff like that anyway it's a
0:19:05great app go check it out if you're in
0:19:07vegas vegas app Vegas mate he pointed
0:19:10out immediately after i p3 daring
0:19:11fireball eep eep quite you know pointed
0:19:14out immediately the the wind
0:19:15corporations biggest investments by far
0:19:18are in vegas there and McHale they
0:19:20actually have liked to two separate
0:19:25resorts in Macau I don't really
0:19:26understand the layout of mikkel quite
0:19:28but there's like a waterway between the
0:19:31two parts of town and there's resorts on
0:19:34both sides and wind has one on each side
0:19:36so it's way bigger its way its way the
0:19:40casino revenues way bigger over there
0:19:42they obviously aren't going to equip
0:19:45those rooms with the election because
0:19:47like you pointed out they don't speak
0:19:49don't speak Chinese yet I ya know
0:19:51cantonese in Portuguese meanderings they
0:19:53don't even officially support locations
0:19:58in English outside the united states
0:20:01I mean you can get it to work and I know
0:20:02people have complained of you know when
0:20:04I pointed this out people in other
0:20:05countries as well I have one just
0:20:07cheating have ever but you can't do
0:20:10things like at the weather because you
0:20:11have to give it like a you zip code and
0:20:13one of the country's they do support so
0:20:15you know you can set it up and use it if
0:20:17you live in taipei like Ben Thompson but
0:20:20it you know give him the weather from
0:20:21Madison Wisconsin yeah yeah and some
0:20:24people say it's trivial for them to roll
0:20:25out additional languages and dialects
0:20:27you know baby but that's years and years
0:20:28of work that Apple and Google put in the
0:20:30Amazon was invested in something else in
0:20:31the opportunity cost is huge so yeah
0:20:33they anything could be trivial given
0:20:36enough money and I'm a capable of
0:20:38anything in AI being called trivial sure
0:20:40you know ship it and let's see
0:20:42absolutely no totally agreed and again
0:20:45things like the multi-language what they
0:20:46started doing on apple TV where you can
0:20:48ask for a movie in French with the title
0:20:51in English mean it just understanding
0:20:52that problem set of windows one language
0:20:54start when does one begin when does it
0:20:55end again
0:20:56what's the time you know what those are
0:20:57all non trivial problems yeah i'm
0:21:00curious to how they're going to do it
0:21:03like presumably it they're not going to
0:21:05have you would use your my own amazon ID
0:21:11I don't think you would need it though
0:21:13like there's no you know they'll just
0:21:15pay some amazon some sort of group rate
0:21:19massive group rate for access to Amazon
0:21:21music so that you can tell you're LexA
0:21:22to play music and you don't you know
0:21:24it's not going to tell you to login or
0:21:26whatever i'm just curious that existed
0:21:30seems you know because it is prepared
0:21:32sold as a personal device i'm curious
0:21:34how it will work as sort of an
0:21:36institutional device was one of things i
0:21:38heard about a potential Apple home hub
0:21:40is that one of the things that needed to
0:21:41be solved for was a multi personal
0:21:42theory because if the say for example
0:21:44you have one at home and you say what's
0:21:46my one of my messages to play your
0:21:47messages
0:21:48Amy's messages Jonas is medicated
0:21:49solving those problems are also
0:21:51non-trivial that way if you want to have
0:21:53the deep level of integration and the
0:21:54full range of services that something
0:21:55like Siri offers so you know you can do
0:21:58rudimentary account switching like they
0:22:00do an apple TV right now but that's
0:22:01that's not a full feet
0:22:02your product and make it making a multi
0:22:04personal Siri is I think he do what they
0:22:07want to do in the living room is playing
0:22:08why it's taking a little bit long but
0:22:10it's also interesting because when you
0:22:11look at Amazon's businesses like you
0:22:12said in Macau it's not clear to me that
0:22:14amazon has not much of a roadmap in
0:22:17China they have established internet
0:22:18companies and retailers in China to
0:22:20begin with where you know maybe apple or
0:22:22maybe google have a better story to tell
0:22:24their and if you don't have something
0:22:25that can truly scale internationally at
0:22:27this can go with you when you travel
0:22:28like I'm I'm in London right now and I
0:22:30need my assistant and where is it or I'm
0:22:32in Germany today or I'm you know I'm in
0:22:34Spain i'm in northern Africa all those
0:22:37things are are necessary until they are
0:22:39and I think that's why it's it was a
0:22:42better decision to sort of scale a
0:22:43little bit internationally before i
0:22:45started going deeper in terms of api's
0:22:47and things like that
0:22:48yeah yeah so I'm curious we know where
0:22:51it's going to go but clearly the end
0:22:53solution it needs to be I mean where we
0:22:56are in some ways early so early days I
0:22:59don't care what anybody says because
0:23:00clearly where this is going to go and
0:23:03somebody will get there it's it's
0:23:05inevitable and I think you know it'll be
0:23:07sooner than later is truly a personal
0:23:13assistant quality conversation where you
0:23:16never have any question that the
0:23:18sequential and Front in France is going
0:23:20to work and that things that you think
0:23:22everything you think that your assistant
0:23:25could do for you
0:23:27they definitely can do so if you say get
0:23:31us a reservation at the palm at nine
0:23:35o'clock tomorrow night it's going to
0:23:37know that you mean the palm in Vegas you
0:23:40know i'm saying if you're in a hotel in
0:23:41Vegas it you know it knows that it's not
0:23:44going to ask you what city it and it's
0:23:48going to make the res either make the
0:23:50reservation or tell you that you can't
0:23:52because there's no you know no times
0:23:54available you can have 93 with 930 work
0:23:57for you
0:23:58yes that's fine and then you get the 930
0:24:00risk everything you think you know
0:24:01anything you could communicate with the
0:24:03human you should be able to do with
0:24:06these and in the same way that if you
0:24:09and I were working in a shared office
0:24:10together that I could say what are my
0:24:13messages and you could say what are my
0:24:15messages
0:24:16and that it's gonna know who we are you
0:24:19know it's going to be able to tell the
0:24:20in the same way that a human is never
0:24:22going to be confused over my voice in
0:24:24your voice
0:24:25neither is is that the personal
0:24:27assistant
0:24:28yes once before but I knew what has an
0:24:30office in montreal and went there for
0:24:31one of their demos and they were showing
0:24:32technology like that is super it was
0:24:34about two years ago super primitive
0:24:35basically snapped your fingers twice and
0:24:37three cameras & 3 beamforming
0:24:39microphones locked in on you and they
0:24:40would isolate you from the room as he
0:24:42walked about saying things and that's
0:24:44obviously a consumer product yet right
0:24:45was one of the party and also driving
0:24:47between cities when there's no internet
0:24:48connection right now as you saw people
0:24:50comment about the airport if you lose
0:24:51internet connection the functionality of
0:24:53a lot of these virtual assistants goes
0:24:55away because they're still incredibly
0:24:56server-based there's all these problems
0:24:58that they're solving for and it could be
0:24:59like that movie her versatility Hansen
0:25:02is in your ear pods right i don't know
0:25:03if you saw it or not but there is that
0:25:04video that I still don't know if it's a
0:25:06real product or not but it was that
0:25:08Japanese Zuma hikari virtual assistant
0:25:11where was like a little animated person
0:25:13in a in a display case that was in your
0:25:16house talking to you as your friend so
0:25:18you were not lonely and would follow you
0:25:20to your phone into your computer
0:25:21throughout your day and then get your go
0:25:23get your house ready for you when you
0:25:24came back at night it's cause I creepy
0:25:27but it's sort of stuff people are
0:25:28working on i just realized i think i'd
0:25:32like two or three episodes of the show
0:25:33and I've I keep passing this forward and
0:25:36my show notes from one show to another
0:25:37follow-up on Mario run by forget what it
0:25:40was to show those two shows ago where we
0:25:43were saying that you if you don't log
0:25:45into a nintendo account you have to pay
0:25:48again to get it and that's not true it
0:25:49ends up you know you you you can just
0:25:52restore the purchase on the same ID you
0:25:54don't have to have a nintendo account
0:25:56you can put it on your iPad and your
0:25:57phone but one of the things that they do
0:26:00do is you can only run one at a time /
0:26:05Apple ID so if you buy it on your iPad
0:26:08and you buy and you it and then you
0:26:10install it on your iphone it and
0:26:12somebody's playing it on your iPad you
0:26:14can't play it on your iphone that's one
0:26:16that's part of the reason that they
0:26:17require always-on internet at checking
0:26:19our access is that they're checking for
0:26:21things like that
0:26:22yeah i think in their perfect world
0:26:24you'd have to pay for every instance
0:26:25that you run the talk show the show
0:26:28where we do follow-up
0:26:29halfway into the show yep yeah you know
0:26:33what else is all about Mario run before
0:26:35we break for the first time is that it
0:26:37is falling off the top-selling falling
0:26:43down the top the top-grossing list
0:26:45around the world still on it but it's
0:26:48now back
0:26:50things have been order has been restored
0:26:51and clash royale or whatever the hell it
0:26:54is here back to being the top grossing
0:26:56app yes clock clash Royale pokemon go
0:27:00clash of clans mobile strike game of war
0:27:04madden NFL and then at number seven here
0:27:07in aus at least Super Mario run that go
0:27:10inside purchase and compete with
0:27:11consumables consumables the people are
0:27:13buying all the time right that in these
0:27:15games that people are truly addicted to
0:27:17candy crush all the way down number ten
0:27:21i saw someone playing that on and I I
0:27:2312.9 inch iPad pro my last plane trip
0:27:25respect i love the thing I love is that
0:27:28minecraft is still at number 11 on top
0:27:31grossing and it's still--it's you firmly
0:27:35entrenched number one on top paid and
0:27:37that's coming out Stevie it's seven
0:27:39bucks you just pay seven bucks up front
0:27:43there is no demo you pay seven bucks you
0:27:44get minecraft on your iOS device and
0:27:47they're doing so it's the only the only
0:27:48map making money with that the
0:27:51old-fashioned pay for the app model I
0:27:54mean effectively that's what Mario is
0:27:56but it's you know no I think in
0:27:59hindsight they would have been better
0:28:00with a minecraft model it just because
0:28:01their brand is as good as mine craft
0:28:03people know what minecraft is and they
0:28:04want it and again the apple TV version
0:28:05just came out and people wanted that too
0:28:07and they would have just wanted Mary are
0:28:09Mario what if you had to pay right i
0:28:12would love to run that alternate
0:28:13universe where all right so let's take
0:28:15the price down right if you have to pay
0:28:17so instead of nine night you know play
0:28:19three levels and then pay 99
0:28:21what if they just matched minecraft
0:28:23price and sold Mario run for 699 yeah
0:28:28it'll get you get in if you if you don't
0:28:31pay 699 you get nothing and like it
0:28:33yep and you can't leave bad reviews
0:28:35about how she write charged and and it
0:28:37no bad dreams about yep and if anybody
0:28:39could have pulled it off
0:28:41it's a nintendo I I can't help but think
0:28:43they have made more money I really do
0:28:45yeah i think that one of the few people
0:28:46like Minecraft you would absolutely have
0:28:48the just a recognition to do it right i
0:28:51mean when you get the good faith you can
0:28:52do it with your next game and so on
0:28:54right or maybe split I do and I salute
0:28:58them and I don't want to complain I
0:29:00salute them for not even going near the
0:29:03radioactive pile of dog shit that you
0:29:05know buying paying a dollar here and
0:29:07there for extra coins and you have to
0:29:09watch a video before you can do the next
0:29:11level or pay your way out that these
0:29:14other games do i salute Nintendo for not
0:29:17doing i'm not surprised i think that
0:29:18would be poisonous absolute poison to
0:29:21their brand but it's obviously that's
0:29:23the path to make money you know the most
0:29:26money on the app store I salute them for
0:29:28not doing it but I can't help but think
0:29:30that they could have made money with
0:29:31paid upfront for less than 999 and maybe
0:29:34one other in-app purchase in the you
0:29:36know some way to something else that was
0:29:38cut off that you'd have to pay another
0:29:39you know maybe five dollars for the game
0:29:41in five four the rest something like
0:29:43that yeah
0:29:44were you one of the different games that
0:29:45comes built into it like the toad rally
0:29:46or so right like maybe you get to play
0:29:48599 you get to play all the regular
0:29:50levels and for another 5 99 you get to
0:29:54play the toad rally and they will give
0:29:56you a taste of Toad rally like they did
0:29:58with the taste of the levels like you
0:29:59get like three toed rallies before you
0:30:01have to pay another 5 99 and then you're
0:30:04a native 499 and then you're done you're
0:30:06inferred you know not ten bucks and you
0:30:10got the whole game
0:30:10I think they have made more money and I
0:30:13think we're getting a better experience
0:30:14they wouldn't have the same problem we
0:30:15had with bad reviews and it would have
0:30:17wouldn't I mean way better than I think
0:30:19the review i'm gonna be a five star game
0:30:21i really do I great because people who
0:30:23would buy pay that much money are the
0:30:24super fans and they would have a much
0:30:26easier bowls in the beginning it's the
0:30:28first action game for iOS that I've
0:30:30played ever i think that I've stuck with
0:30:34imap like canabalt a little bit how sisk
0:30:37catalog that cannonball is like 90
0:30:39seconds and yeah I mean I best i ever
0:30:40did was like 4,000 meters or something
0:30:42like that so it's like you know and then
0:30:44once you get a good run like that you're
0:30:45like done
0:30:46yeah i mean there are games always say
0:30:48don't play games and write a play that I
0:30:50played the stickman golf a little bit i
0:30:52played the data like the desert golf
0:30:54which is sort of you play that
0:30:56yep I like the desert golfing i think
0:31:00it's i think it's sort of a it its
0:31:04artful it's it's sort of like meditative
0:31:07I letterpress in threes and a bunch of
0:31:09those puzzle game yeah letterpress yeah
0:31:11three segments into a little bit was
0:31:13real quick i appreciate the artistry of
0:31:15letterpress I had a brief obsession with
0:31:17and I was yes I hate to brag but I was
0:31:18really really good but it's it's too
0:31:24competitive
0:31:25I don't know r22 time-consuming and I
0:31:27feel guilty then when I because it's
0:31:29with other people I feel guilty when i
0:31:31drop off and leave it a good game
0:31:33hanging and I was too time-consuming to
0:31:37me so he never do in Game Center just
0:31:39did it to you you can tell they were
0:31:41playing a game center was right right
0:31:44ah but Mario boy i like that game and
0:31:49I've started replaying it I idly or not
0:31:51attended does best damn it
0:31:53and so I beat all the levels and now i'm
0:31:56going through and collecting all the
0:31:58pink coins on each level i don't think
0:32:00i'm going to keep going I don't do that
0:32:01but I can't see going after the damn
0:32:03purple ones I don't know about that i'm
0:32:06not good enough
0:32:07they just do a really good job of
0:32:08matching the game to the control
0:32:09mechanics that are available on the
0:32:10device and that with the iphone as well
0:32:12which i thought was really great
0:32:13yeah totally I it's a very very you know
0:32:16you think infinite runner add simple but
0:32:19they've it's it's pretty damn good
0:32:21I do think they messed up with the the
0:32:24pricing
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0:35:47blackboard using one for like three
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0:36:00yeah and what you tell me i'm going to
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0:36:09you want something that is actually
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0:36:12it takes on your body weight and your
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0:36:27what else is on our agenda i have in the
0:36:32news there is Mark Germans blockbuster
0:36:35story i wasn't really but it was widely
0:36:38cited last week and Bloomberg title how
0:36:41Apple alienated Mac loyalists and had
0:36:43did have some you know as well reported
0:36:45definitely had some quotes anonymous
0:36:49how would you summarize this story
0:36:52this was this is the big story of the
0:36:54day when it came out on december twenty
0:36:55i mean mark has you've proven phenomenal
0:36:59sources but so much of this is how you
0:37:01string the pieces together and you know
0:37:04i would i would read similar information
0:37:06differently so this sort of paints a
0:37:10narrative where Apple is negligent or
0:37:12lackadaisical when it comes to
0:37:14supporting the mac and my understanding
0:37:17is more that you know what you have two
0:37:20kids you love them both one has become
0:37:21taylor swift and you have to make sure
0:37:23that you're on tour with her and the
0:37:25other one is a college student in grad
0:37:27school doing pretty great on his own
0:37:29don't really want
0:37:29hanging around all the time and you
0:37:31again you still love him but you're
0:37:32giving you the attention that they
0:37:33really need at the moment and i think
0:37:35there's an article from the same facts
0:37:37quote from the article interviews with
0:37:38people familiar with apples inner
0:37:40workings revealed that the mac is
0:37:41getting far less attention than it once
0:37:43did once did they say the mac team has
0:37:46lost cloud with the famed industrial
0:37:47design group led by jony ive in the
0:37:49companies and the company's software
0:37:50team they also describe a lack of clear
0:37:53direction from senior management
0:37:54departures of key people working on Mac
0:37:56hardware and technical challenges that
0:37:59have delayed the rollout of new
0:38:01computers
0:38:02there's a lot in that paragraph this is
0:38:04a fourth paragraph of the story but I
0:38:06feel like that's the nut paragraph and
0:38:09if you pick it apart i haven't linked to
0:38:12it because it seemed it's been Christmas
0:38:15and I've been busy and it seemed
0:38:18impossible to link to without extensive
0:38:21commentary like one packet right there's
0:38:24no way to link to it with the clip or
0:38:26the let it stand but it's a bit you know
0:38:28and I thought well it's better to do I
0:38:29could do it on it on the show in a way
0:38:31that's better you know that will take
0:38:33less time then writing about still might
0:38:35write about it but alright first
0:38:38sentence of that paragraph interviews
0:38:40with people familiar with apples and
0:38:41workings revealed that the mac is
0:38:42getting far less attention than it once
0:38:44did
0:38:45when is then it once did yeah I mean I
0:38:48used to be one product there was just
0:38:49the magnet got all the attention and now
0:38:51that it was six different products so it
0:38:53if if we're talking about like pre ipod
0:38:55apple or like pre 2004-2005 Apple of
0:39:00course the mac up more attention than
0:39:01because it was keeping the company
0:39:02afloat the mac was apple an apple was
0:39:04the mac i mean it was there was you know
0:39:07without the mac the company was
0:39:08literally there wasn't there was no
0:39:10company so of course it gets less
0:39:12attention than it does that then now it
0:39:15does he mean some other time is it is
0:39:17later the last year rite 2011 2012
0:39:22is this a and you know it lets just
0:39:26state facts these are there are the fact
0:39:30is the mac pro is literally a relic at
0:39:34this point is a three-year-old high-end
0:39:375,000 twenty-thousand-dollar workstation
0:39:40that literally hasn't been updated even
0:39:43minor the most minor components possible
0:39:45in three years since i got a Mac Mini is
0:39:47is a relic and for enthusiastic and the
0:39:51mac mini is one of these devices a
0:39:53device where you know obviously there's
0:39:55some people who buy it because it's a
0:39:56budget lap desktop and if you wanted by
0:39:59a third-party display or at this point
0:40:02you might be stuck by having a
0:40:03third-party display will get to that in
0:40:05a second or a discount display or if
0:40:07you've already got a display and that's
0:40:09putting a part of you know you didn't
0:40:11want to buy a desktop to hook up to
0:40:12display you already have in your cost is
0:40:14an issue mac mini is the way you go
0:40:17it's still find device for that but for
0:40:19the enthusiast and there are people who
0:40:20are you know like like you know the
0:40:23power users if you want another term who
0:40:24buy mac minis maybe not to use their
0:40:26main computer but for really super nerdy
0:40:30things you know like instead of having
0:40:31an apple TV they use a mac mini and
0:40:33install their own software and run their
0:40:36home entertainment from a pc and mac
0:40:39mini is is great for that a longtime
0:40:41sponsor the show mac mini colo there's
0:40:43people who use mac minis to to host
0:40:45websites
0:40:46it's a great little like mini rack
0:40:48server and for those people the current
0:40:51mac mini is actually worse than the
0:40:53predecessor because it's I think it's a
0:40:56dual core thing instead of a quad-core
0:40:57let's do whatever it is it's just got
0:40:59low you know internals that are less
0:41:01interesting to enthusiasts than the old
0:41:03one the iMac which is their best desktop
0:41:07and it's the one at tim cook even called
0:41:09out mentioned by name in a recent
0:41:11company Q&A
0:41:14skipped a year it still is great it's a
0:41:16great the current imac is a great great
0:41:18device but there were no updates in 2016
0:41:23nope and apple is apparently out of the
0:41:27standalone display game they haven't
0:41:29said so officially but they certainly
0:41:32hinted as much on stage at the mac book
0:41:35pro event in october when they said they
0:41:38partnered with LG to have these LG 5k in
0:41:404k displays that are clearly meant you
0:41:44know by default assume that they're
0:41:46being connected to a Macintosh yeah my
0:41:48understanding is they're significant
0:41:49Apple engineering resources and effort
0:41:51dedicated to those displays they just
0:41:53didn't have an apple enclosure and logo
0:41:54on the right is a notorious choice you
0:41:56know and everybody sites knee like
0:41:58Disney lies says it italic from the
0:42:00verge after his product briefing after
0:42:03the event said categorically when he
0:42:04asked that Apple said they're out of the
0:42:05display game i asked in my kids you know
0:42:08as well as the LG mean that Apple is not
0:42:11going to make a retina standalone
0:42:13display and I did not get an answer that
0:42:15was unequivocal I it the answer I got
0:42:20was something more or less it's a big
0:42:22very typical app oftentimes when you ask
0:42:25a question like that i don't think i was
0:42:27unique in this regard but they did you
0:42:30always have a prepared answer it doesn't
0:42:33they don't have to think of it on the
0:42:35spot but it's not yes or now but with
0:42:37the answer i got of does this mean
0:42:39there's not going to be an apple-branded
0:42:40retina display stand alone display the
0:42:42answer was this is what we have to talk
0:42:44about today standalone displays today
0:42:49require so much engineer it's no longer
0:42:53just a video signal going from one thing
0:42:56to another it's not just you know it's
0:42:58effectively they're like many computers
0:42:59it's almost as much work as developing a
0:43:02standalone system which apples again
0:43:04which Apple did most a lot of with LG
0:43:07and my understanding is that this is one
0:43:08of those things where they're deeply
0:43:10conflicted internally that they're
0:43:11wrestling over this and some people
0:43:12believe that Apple does not have to make
0:43:14everything anymore that they have to be
0:43:15focused and make hard choices and choose
0:43:17which parts of the chain they want to be
0:43:19involved with and other people believe
0:43:20rightly well at least in their opinions
0:43:22that be the display is your interface
0:43:25with the computer the interface is what
0:43:26the customer sees
0:43:27there's no apple logo on that then the
0:43:29customer sees LG and sort of ruins the
0:43:31effect and it ruins the benefit of the
0:43:32halo effect that Apple has been enjoying
0:43:34for all these years and if they're
0:43:35starting an LG logo for their display
0:43:37maybe it's easier to buy an LG computer
0:43:39or is easier to buy you know that maybe
0:43:41they're getting out of the router
0:43:42business easier by analogy router and
0:43:43that sort of unravels the value of the
0:43:45apple ecosystem they've been building
0:43:47yeah and it's you know I I can't put it
0:43:52better than syracuse it has repeatedly
0:43:54on ATP that it's you know he's even said
0:43:56that he's never even owned a non-apple
0:43:59display in his life
0:44:01I that's not true for me I used to have
0:44:03a viewsonic 17-inch i bought in 1998 was
0:44:11a nice display was not as nice as the
0:44:12Apple displays i bought it because I
0:44:15didn't have enough money well I did the
0:44:17money is enough difference that I died
0:44:19but the viewsonic instead it does hint
0:44:25at the idea that maybe the future of
0:44:29apple on the desktop is imac only or
0:44:32maybe I mac and mac mini but that the
0:44:33mac pro might be on the way out simply
0:44:35be a Templar statement to me was hard to
0:44:36part because he talked about how great
0:44:38the imac was and how greatest display
0:44:39was in its p 3 b's there's nothing you
0:44:42could have said about the mac pro or the
0:44:44mac mini their 13-year old their
0:44:46three-year-old computers with Haswell I
0:44:48mean it would've been completely awkward
0:44:50to mention them in any context and the
0:44:52worst part is the last iteration of both
0:44:54made them even more like computing
0:44:55appliances and an even harder for users
0:44:58stopped it on their own which made them
0:44:59dependent on apple for future updates
0:45:01then didn't income that's incredibly
0:45:03uncomfortable message to have in his
0:45:05year-end Q&A with his employees right
0:45:07it's a tough situation like you can't
0:45:09read too much into it either way except
0:45:12that there's something there are there
0:45:14only thing i could read into it it's him
0:45:16cook statement on the Q&A that I would
0:45:18say is that on it is that there is going
0:45:21to be
0:45:23straight or at least you know in
0:45:25somebody's opinion great new imacs
0:45:26coming
0:45:27um because otherwise it what he said is
0:45:31you know he's is fly right into his
0:45:35credibility and he did you know he is
0:45:38obviously got to be measured in careful
0:45:40in his words and he knows that this Q&A
0:45:42is going to leak if there's anything
0:45:44newsworthy but he's not going to you get
0:45:49no matter how cynical you want to be
0:45:50about it he's not going to say something
0:45:51that flat out going to ruin his
0:45:54credibility with his own employees so
0:45:55let's just say in the hypothetical world
0:45:57that people fear that Apple is something
0:45:58done with desktop computers period and
0:46:01that its macbooks only the rest of the
0:46:04way
0:46:05well then what he said is it in
0:46:09hindsight is going to make people think
0:46:10it's a it's just a flat-out lie and he's
0:46:13not going to do that so there's got to
0:46:15be islands coming here has too many says
0:46:17desktops plural but does that mean to
0:46:18slight impacts that mean I back and it's
0:46:21very interesting because when you when
0:46:22you actually look at the numbers Apple
0:46:24very very very very few people connect
0:46:26external displays to their max right and
0:46:28i believe the number smaller than ever
0:46:29and also very very very very fucks you
0:46:32mean 2222 a tool yet to their macbooks
0:46:34what are you saying that nice look
0:46:36obviously yeah I'm address if you've got
0:46:38a mac probably need I'm really
0:46:40absolutely output on the flip side of
0:46:42that almost nobody by again almost
0:46:44nobody buys desktop Max anymore the vast
0:46:46vast vast majority of what they sell our
0:46:49macbooks when we vote with our wallet
0:46:50we're telling them as customers that we
0:46:52care mostly and by a vast majority about
0:46:54the notebooks and that's that sort of
0:46:57thing they have to wait because they
0:46:58only have enough resources to do this or
0:46:59that and they say that most of the
0:47:01customers are buying a macbook some of
0:47:03them are buying displays to go with them
0:47:06do they start making displays they
0:47:07stopped making desktops I'd argue that
0:47:09know that they're important enough that
0:47:10they have to keep making them anyway but
0:47:12it's not like we are the numbers on our
0:47:13side for those right so if they're all
0:47:19is a new mac pro that is in the works
0:47:21and is coming
0:47:22there's no way that Tim Cook can say
0:47:25anything about it in this Q&A now
0:47:27yeah if there's not if the macbook mac
0:47:31pro is end-of-life
0:47:33he can't say anything he can't say that
0:47:35because they're still selling the old
0:47:38one
0:47:38now why are they still selling the old
0:47:39one I don't know but maybe it's you know
0:47:42they're in theory they could
0:47:44let's just say that their I there
0:47:46they're going to rethink the whole
0:47:48approach to the pro market and are going
0:47:50to do effectively an imac pro that the
0:47:52new mac pro is like the imac but it's
0:47:56you know the space gray and has higher
0:47:59end you know xeon processors or
0:48:03something at that now put aside how do
0:48:05you do that and have to deal with the
0:48:07heat dissipation that's their problem
0:48:09but maybe if that's a hypothetically
0:48:11where they're going with pro-market is
0:48:13devices you know built all-in-ones with
0:48:16Pro Performance they have to keep the
0:48:21old Mac Pro's around until those are
0:48:23ready to sell
0:48:24they can't have a gap yeah they did
0:48:27announce that life again I don't display
0:48:29yeah but that again that reason all
0:48:31these questions about what's happening
0:48:33with the product lines they probably
0:48:34want to answer right now right
0:48:37you know you still can't talk about it
0:48:39but anyways that's the first sentence of
0:48:41that paragraph essay the mac team has
0:48:43lost cloud with the famed industrial
0:48:45design group led by Johnny Ivan and the
0:48:47company's software team which is a weird
0:48:49combination i don't understand what they
0:48:52mean has lost cloud by the matter with
0:48:54that it doesn't make sense to me like
0:48:56they don't because there's no I mean
0:48:57they're armed acting like there's a mac
0:48:58marketing team but the apple doesn't
0:48:59have like I'm a Mac business unit and
0:49:01they don't have an iphone business unit
0:49:03and you know dad retail still has to
0:49:05build all these machines and Johnny icms
0:49:07to design the mall and Craig federighi
0:49:08team has to make software to run all
0:49:10them and yes those teams are highly
0:49:13focused on iphone because I don't
0:49:14absolutely have to ship every year or
0:49:16its company crushing but it there those
0:49:19people are still working on Max and care
0:49:20desperately about Max and my
0:49:22understanding is that a lot of the
0:49:23recent design meetings have been about
0:49:25Max so I again I I don't understand the
0:49:28context of all the information I don't
0:49:30know what it means to have lost cloud
0:49:31like what-what it wears what would the
0:49:33evidence of that be I mean and the only
0:49:35you know it's the only way it would make
0:49:37sense is if there are new macs ready to
0:49:40go other than having an industrial
0:49:42design
0:49:42and that Jony ive seems like now we're
0:49:45not interested
0:49:47it doesn't make any sense that's not how
0:49:49it works i mean i like to depend on
0:49:50product it's not like johnny is a dick
0:49:53the design team just is like a bunch of
0:49:55it you know
0:49:57hipster sipping coffee wearing berets
0:49:59and they just work on what they want to
0:50:01work on and I got back so boring we're
0:50:03not going to work on those were just
0:50:04gonna work on we're gonna work on the
0:50:06ice is not making your max this he'll go
0:50:09home right that's it
0:50:12I don't anymore edit there aren't it you
0:50:14know the the problem is as I said the
0:50:17fact is that there are too many of the
0:50:19max haven't been updated period it's not
0:50:20like they haven't gotten attention and
0:50:22the ones that have been updated the
0:50:24macbook I know the macbook hearted this
0:50:27year's macbook isn't a new design but it
0:50:29came out last year and this year's
0:50:30macbook pros obviously add a lot of work
0:50:35done by the industrial design team it's
0:50:37all new and closures it's in get a very
0:50:40different it's not just like the old
0:50:42ones but thinner the entire hints
0:50:44mechanism for the display is entirely
0:50:46different
0:50:47i-i've will get to this later but I've
0:50:50been messing around with older whole
0:50:52bunch of macbooks this week running
0:50:53battery tests and with a bunch of them
0:50:55open at the same time and going between
0:50:57the two and restarting test
0:50:59it's it's it's more clear than it was
0:51:01even when I reviewed the new macbook pro
0:51:03how much nicer the hinge is on the new
0:51:06one and I'll rigid they are it but like
0:51:10when you tilt it if it's already at an
0:51:13angle for sitting and then you're like
0:51:14I've been running these battery test
0:51:16well come by and update them and I don't
0:51:19even sit down and I want to tilt the
0:51:21screen just a little too so it's more of
0:51:23an angle for standing and when you do it
0:51:26on the new macbook pro the screen just
0:51:29put in a little one finger and a little
0:51:31bit of pressure and it tilts back and on
0:51:33my 2014 macbook pro i do it at first the
0:51:36whole device lifts off the table
0:51:38you know it's it's more step it's it's
0:51:41not as nice anyway that's all that's
0:51:44exactly the sort of thing that Johnny is
0:51:46famed industrial design team does is
0:51:49design and fancy new hinge that's way
0:51:53better than what was already the best
0:51:55him
0:51:55change on a professional notebook in the
0:51:58world
0:51:59totally and more rigid unibody and was
0:52:01already a very very good unibody sure
0:52:03right exactly it's entirely new keyboard
0:52:05to switch system in at 10 I I I don't
0:52:10get it
0:52:10and then there's this other half of the
0:52:12sentence in the company's software team
0:52:14i don't i don't get it next to me has
0:52:18been a and again I'm worried i do worry
0:52:22and I'm trying to begin his whole you
0:52:24know is Apple abandoning the mac or
0:52:27slowly sunsetting the mac or just you
0:52:29know ruining the mac whatever debate
0:52:33which obviously does have some
0:52:35foundation in fact the fact that the
0:52:37hardware hasn't been updated one of the
0:52:39things I like to cite I feel like it's
0:52:41it it's not proof but evidence to the
0:52:44contrary is the annual update schedule
0:52:46that mac OS has been on for the last few
0:52:48years like you know in 2007 famously the
0:52:51mac the first year the iphone the mac
0:52:54they had to put out a press release
0:52:56because they announced that the new mac
0:52:58OS gonna be ready at WWDC and they put
0:52:59out a press release that it's delayed
0:53:01five months because we had to pull so
0:53:03many engine so many engineering talent
0:53:06to work on the iphone OS as it was
0:53:09called then it there's obviously enough
0:53:13attention on a Mac now that the mac is
0:53:15on the same annual update cycle is iOS
0:53:17it's you know I don't see it and it's
0:53:21getting features and is getting
0:53:22important features like the continuity
0:53:23ones where you can use touch ID or the
0:53:25watched on lock in order to verify
0:53:26payment got serie brought over to it and
0:53:30either there is some truth Apple
0:53:32reorganizing their teams and a lot of
0:53:33those teams are iOS centric but when you
0:53:35look at mac and iOS what differentiates
0:53:37them is their input methods in their
0:53:38interface and apple is I think wisely
0:53:41consolidating a lot of the things that
0:53:43go under the covers like when you look
0:53:44at swift that's across all platforms
0:53:45Apple file system is going to go from
0:53:47Apple watch all the way to mac pro all
0:53:50the things that they're building like
0:53:51one day you know maybe app I don't how
0:53:53long Apple be around four but it might
0:53:55make sense to have sort of a UI
0:53:56framework that crosses over both
0:53:58platforms all that stuff can be made
0:54:00with one team and could benefit both
0:54:01platforms without them without you
0:54:03having to micro measure how many people
0:54:05are doing each one right and then
0:54:07there's my next argument in the Altai
0:54:11i'll argue the side of Apple as Apple is
0:54:14as still putting an awful lot of thought
0:54:16and attention in the mac is the touch
0:54:18bar which is it at a at a hardware level
0:54:22a fascinating that it's not really a
0:54:25device because it's part of the device
0:54:27but it is a fascinating piece of
0:54:31hardware that it's an iOS device it is a
0:54:34full iOS computer in an intel-based mac
0:54:38computer
0:54:39yeah I it's a computer and a computer
0:54:41which I i just love and and the computer
0:54:44in the computer is a better computer and
0:54:47more powerful computer then like the
0:54:49computers we had I don't know how many
0:54:51years ago you know but at some point my
0:54:53life a full personal computer was not as
0:54:56powerful as the touch bar we have
0:54:58absolutely it's one of the only Apple
0:55:00things because you have to have the
0:55:01ability to make a tiny embedded device
0:55:03that runs an entirely separate yet you
0:55:06know in some ways compatible operating
0:55:07system and bread Victor actually tweeted
0:55:09this i think it's it's public knowledge
0:55:11they've been working on this for up to a
0:55:12decade it's not like this is what like
0:55:14last year's had to go crap what we do
0:55:16with the mac this has been a project
0:55:17they've been working on for a very very
0:55:19long time I did not know that I do know
0:55:21though that i know several people who
0:55:23were engineers either a hardware level
0:55:26or software level or some combination of
0:55:28the two on the touch bar who are truly
0:55:30like at you know it's good confidence I
0:55:33can't say who they are but you know it
0:55:35truly some of the best engineers at the
0:55:37company people who have like seats in
0:55:40the second row at hassle events and are
0:55:43seated near you know ready to go be
0:55:45tapped to go backstage to fix demos if
0:55:48they go awry like they're one step ready
0:55:50to you know like they're like the
0:55:52emergency the demos gone bad we need you
0:55:55know we need top men to investigate
0:55:57those type of talent and that they've
0:56:00spent like the last 18 months on touch
0:56:02bar and are incredibly proud of how it
0:56:05turned out one of them like that i don't
0:56:07have the direct question for me but one
0:56:08of them said I hope this shows people
0:56:11that we still
0:56:12care about the mac because inside Apple
0:56:15it's the best proof of it possible
0:56:17combine that with the fact that on day
0:56:22one of these macs with touch bars
0:56:26shipping all of the commonly used
0:56:29consumer apps that apple makes for the
0:56:33mac had full touch bar support a lot of
0:56:36it very very thoughtful
0:56:38none of it half-assed not one of them
0:56:40even like apps like a you know like text
0:56:43edit or something like that or preview
0:56:45had thoughtful reminder right as and it
0:56:49it you know and I talked about this
0:56:50before we can get a separate
0:56:52conversation of you know this Apple is
0:56:54even fully understand the right way to
0:56:55use the touch part yet will they you
0:56:57know you know like my example is like in
0:57:02the early years of the mac like 1984-85
0:57:04their dialogue boxes were like ok and
0:57:08cancel were stacked vertically and then
0:57:12there's others were they were horizontal
0:57:13like they just hadn't figured the
0:57:14consistency out on stuff like that and
0:57:16of course now everybody knows it goes
0:57:18cancel it and then okay to the right
0:57:20that maybe there's like touch more of
0:57:23things like that there's certain things
0:57:24that we're doing in touch parts like the
0:57:26way that Safari defaults to showing
0:57:27thumbnails of your tabs I i don't know i
0:57:30don't find that useful maybe other
0:57:31people do i I feel like four but anyway
0:57:33i scroll with a high school super faster
0:57:35windows and probably the one that I want
0:57:36really quickly without some huge huge
0:57:38family like so--you you swipe your
0:57:40finger across the brook yes because
0:57:42sometimes with tabs have to hit like you
0:57:43previously had command you got easy to
0:57:45get to each one and I just swipe now I
0:57:46see which 1i want to stop immediately
0:57:48yeah maybe that maybe im using it the
0:57:50wrong way maybe that's the way i should
0:57:51use is run my finger across instead of
0:57:53staring at it and try to poke at the
0:57:55right 1i never yet that so maybe that's
0:57:56right i don't know but anyway it to me
0:57:59the support across not just the OS but
0:58:03across their apps and in the cocoa
0:58:06frameworks for third-party developers
0:58:09like everything I've heard from
0:58:11developer friends about the touch bar
0:58:13api's is that yes these are these are
0:58:17very solid api's from written by people
0:58:20who you know who get cocoa
0:58:22I mean this is exactly what you want but
0:58:23it's a sign that Apple has top
0:58:25engineering quad talent so I just don't
0:58:28get how that jobs with the Germans they
0:58:31say the mac team has lost cloud dot dot
0:58:33with the company's software team
0:58:35I don't get another example of that is
0:58:37when you look at it the iOS device
0:58:39embedded iOS device actually controls
0:58:41the printout of the price on the display
0:58:43because they don't want and after able
0:58:45to intercept and change the price that
0:58:46you then agree to with your fingerprint
0:58:48and that again is another level of
0:58:50complexity a degree in engineering that
0:58:51they do for security sake but it's not
0:58:53trivial to implement and you stack all
0:58:55these up on top and I think because
0:58:56you're at the event with me they were
0:58:57the people at Apple we're super excited
0:58:59about this any other still feeling their
0:59:01way through the best practices for it
0:59:03but it was clear that they that they
0:59:04thought they were doing what was right
0:59:05for the platform
0:59:07yeah and another example is the way that
0:59:09the the iOS the touch bars iOS device
0:59:11has the secure Enclave which is their
0:59:14first and foremost for the touch ID but
0:59:17it's also used now to control the webcam
0:59:21on the front of the display so that the
0:59:23webcam you know is obviously that's a
0:59:25huge security thing all sorts of people
0:59:27you know people put tape over the thing
0:59:29because they're worried that they can be
0:59:32certain you know somebody can install
0:59:34software that will serve tisha sleet
0:59:35earn the camera on there's a green light
0:59:37that turns on when the cameras on people
0:59:39worry I'm again rightfully so it's not
0:59:41crazy but rightfully so with every that
0:59:43that could be overridden by the the
0:59:46malware that may not stop people the
0:59:51fact that it goes to the secure Enclave
0:59:52now may not stop people from putting
0:59:53tape over there over there camera but it
0:59:57should if they think about it could if
0:59:59they think about it
0:59:59they think about it
1:00:00and even if you're not worried about
1:00:01it's just it's just apples just happy to
1:00:04know that they've cut off a path that
1:00:06malware could take to do something which
1:00:08would be truly dreadful like take
1:00:09control of your webcam and they're
1:00:11spending valuable engineering resources
1:00:13to implement those features which shows
1:00:15to me at least the investment they have
1:00:16that platform right i mean what they
1:00:19could do like this this is why I don't
1:00:23think government article shows what
1:00:25people think that it shows i think it's
1:00:27written to fit the narrative and that
1:00:29doesn't really show it I i think the
1:00:31macbook pro refutes it you know Apple
1:00:35could have just take you know put the
1:00:37upgraded intel chipsets in the old
1:00:40macbook pro and closer sound like the
1:00:43old macbook pro enclosure was dated it
1:00:48was still it's exactly what most you
1:00:50know other pc laptops still copy and
1:00:54anybody who prefers the larger key
1:00:57travel wouldn't be too complaining about
1:00:58the salariki travel people who all ports
1:01:02people who want the device you know the
1:01:05people who want to argue which is a
1:01:06reasonable view point that i'd rather
1:01:09Apple stopped making these things
1:01:10thinner and keep them the same thickness
1:01:12and just put bigger batteries in so i
1:01:14get even more battery life you know stop
1:01:16settling for quote unquote 10 hours of
1:01:18battery life on you go for 20 by keeping
1:01:20your thickness they would have had far
1:01:22fewer complaints i think it would have
1:01:24been worse devices i think it's it you
1:01:27know III in the long run I think they
1:01:29were right to do this but it's the weird
1:01:34thing and this is why Apple has had
1:01:36long-term success is there they're not
1:01:38afraid to do things that will draw
1:01:40criticism but are the right thing to do
1:01:42going forward I mean the headphone jack
1:01:43is the best example of that possible
1:01:46nobody was going to complain if the
1:01:48iphone 7 had a headphone check lots of
1:01:50people did complain that the iphone 7
1:01:52didn't have a headphone jack lots of
1:01:55complaints on one side no complaints on
1:01:56the other but if it's the right way to
1:01:58do it they'll take the side with
1:01:59complaints whereas most companies always
1:02:01err on the side of let's do the thing
1:02:03that generates the fewest complaints
1:02:05even if it's the worst thing but people
1:02:08will pull people don't complain people
1:02:10complain about what's new they don't
1:02:11complain about status quo
1:02:12now and there's I mean that they can't
1:02:14win either way if they kept the old
1:02:15enclosure would have been like the
1:02:17iphone 7 analysts it's the same design
1:02:18apples not innovating anymore they're
1:02:20boring and then they change it well you
1:02:22know why do they bother changing they
1:02:23could've just left the same design but
1:02:24apple just never goes to the judges they
1:02:26don't care about the judges they don't
1:02:27want their their routine scored by the
1:02:29sweetest judge with like an 8 or
1:02:31something they do what they think they
1:02:32think is right and I'll take the lumps
1:02:34and it could be the headphone jack could
1:02:35be us bc Thunderbolt three across the
1:02:37line it could be making thinner max they
1:02:39they're they're willing to take those
1:02:40lumps for what they think is the best
1:02:42product but that hypothetical world the
1:02:44hypothetical world where Apple's October
1:02:462016 new macbook pros effectively look
1:02:49more or less just like the old macbook
1:02:52pros that world fits with the Germans
1:02:57narrative well they lost clout with Jony
1:02:59Ive's team so the jives team said no
1:03:02stick to you know and enclosures good
1:03:04enough
1:03:06it fits with the idea that they've lost
1:03:08clout with the software team because the
1:03:10no software really asked all they need
1:03:12to do is put the drivers in right it's
1:03:14not
1:03:14hey every single mac app from apple has
1:03:17to be updated with touch bar support
1:03:20that fit like the world where they come
1:03:25out with these new macbook pros that are
1:03:26much thinner have the weight of the old
1:03:29macbook airs but our pro and have the
1:03:33you know
1:03:34hi color gamut a wide color gamut
1:03:36whatever you want to call it displays I
1:03:40just don't get it
1:03:42yeah it those products were internally
1:03:44expensive to produce and they wouldn't
1:03:46do that if that was a platform that they
1:03:47weren't any I don't know what else to
1:03:53say about it other than their the other
1:03:55part that I thought was I haven't
1:03:57written about this either but i want to
1:03:59but it's been delayed in december is
1:04:02people have more options microsoft
1:04:05corporation wants to ride it by Mac
1:04:07loyalists for its clunky buggy software
1:04:08offers Windows 10 which provides the
1:04:11tablet type functionality Apple
1:04:13pioneered with the ipad
1:04:15now that's a funny sense because I and I
1:04:21mean I don't mean to to be like a
1:04:23nitpicker but it's a funny sense because
1:04:25people now have more options windows was
1:04:30/ mac loyalists is clunky and buggy
1:04:32software i would agree with that is
1:04:35certainly why i haven't used windows on
1:04:36a regular basis at a regular basis other
1:04:39than when I had shitty jobs when I was
1:04:40younger and had to now offers Windows 10
1:04:45and it's not which is not clunky or
1:04:48buggy or as on savory as Windows ever
1:04:51was but if instead says which provides
1:04:53the tablet I punks now the Apple
1:04:55pioneered with the ipad like yeah i mean
1:04:58there was ten years a tablet pc before
1:05:00the ipad i had a chance to travel
1:05:02reports surface to do when i was there
1:05:04for the holiday show we did a review of
1:05:06it and it's introduced an interesting
1:05:08product but I I don't under I wrote
1:05:10about this to like I it seems like non
1:05:11apple products get graded on a curve
1:05:12because this was an i5 with the 5200 RPM
1:05:15hard drive which was just not sufficient
1:05:18for that product and that this is a
1:05:20device is plugged in all time there's no
1:05:21reason for it to be power and strain at
1:05:23all need to put anything as powerful as
1:05:25you want in there but it was incredibly
1:05:27power constraints could run either
1:05:28desktop or tablet mode which was
1:05:30confusing and when he would swipe down
1:05:32to get rid of something you can
1:05:33literally count like seconds in between
1:05:34the animation frames not just their
1:05:37they're a frame-off but like seconds
1:05:38before what animates start dropping it
1:05:40down and not the first time when it
1:05:41loaded it but over and over again and it
1:05:43was by far not an experience that I
1:05:44would tolerate on it on a daily basis i
1:05:46know some people love windows for gaming
1:05:48or for that functionality but i just
1:05:50don't get that entire narrative about
1:05:52Apple or Microsoft now catering to
1:05:55creative they're putting out very small
1:05:57niche products that they're having a
1:05:58hard time shipping on schedule as well
1:06:01Microsoft Surface computers offer apple
1:06:04s quality and a well-reviewed creative
1:06:07paint program aimed at the max audience
1:06:09i do think there's a little bit of Carla
1:06:12true there were if you are a
1:06:14professional illustrator or architecture
1:06:16somebody who draws professionally the
1:06:18surface studio if I did I would
1:06:20certainly look at one and maybe only use
1:06:21it for drawing and still use a mac for
1:06:23all my other computing and just have a
1:06:25device you know a dedicated in a way
1:06:27that you know a lot of these people have
1:06:28had it
1:06:28dedicated device hooked up to their
1:06:29Max's cintiq yep you'd buy this just for
1:06:33the drawing i could see it but I
1:06:36certainly wouldn't call it apple s
1:06:37quality honestly I mean I am it again
1:06:39it's like you know the guy who runs a
1:06:41site that's mostly about apple says yes
1:06:43surface to do is indecisive Mack the
1:06:45hinges really good the hinges here you
1:06:47really good but i found that the the
1:06:50drawing response time if you want to
1:06:51compare to the ipad pro it's just no get
1:06:53Harrison that there's there is latency
1:06:55and it varies widely and it's true on
1:06:57the ipad 2 I mean it is software
1:06:59dependent but if you want to just look
1:07:03at the reference apps you know
1:07:05Microsoft's own microsoft paint which I
1:07:08tried in the is store and apples notes
1:07:11app where you can draw the sketches you
1:07:14know just as baselines for latency
1:07:16there's practically none i mean i don't
1:07:20want to say nun with the ipad pro but
1:07:22it's you know I I don't think there's
1:07:24any reviews that disagree that the
1:07:25latency is downright amazing
1:07:28there's definitely latency I could see
1:07:30it on that the surface to do and there's
1:07:32parallax there the display is nowhere
1:07:35near as close to the surface of the
1:07:36glass or plastic or divers guys other
1:07:38than the ipad pro is absolutely a bit of
1:07:42parallax there it's not bad it's not
1:07:43horrible but it certainly isn't the ipad
1:07:46pro and the ipad pro is what I would
1:07:48define as Apple quality and so the
1:07:50service is by definition sub Apple
1:07:53quality it is hard to go back i used a
1:07:55wacom tablet for years and that was just
1:07:57what you had it was the best in the
1:07:59business so nobody really paid attention
1:08:00and after using the ipad pro for a year
1:08:02I I found it really hard to go back
1:08:04because you do notice the difference in
1:08:05latency and you do notice the air gap
1:08:07and on one proper way communist radical
1:08:09which I know you can turn off but still
1:08:11super annoying to me it's sort of spoils
1:08:13you for that experience and yeah there
1:08:15is no 27 inch iPad pro or there's not a
1:08:1727-inch you know pencil support on an
1:08:20imac yet but right technologically
1:08:22speaking there's a world of difference
1:08:23between the two
1:08:24sensing an opportunity and back to
1:08:25german story microsoft called the mac
1:08:27book pro a quote disappointment and said
1:08:30more users than ever were switching to
1:08:32its surface laptops and that's that's
1:08:35the end of that so it's a total bases
1:08:37chart of
1:08:38yes of how many how many users are
1:08:43switching to surface laptop switching
1:08:45obviously I presumably from Max they
1:08:48mean not from other windows laptops more
1:08:51than have a problem it's like 85 people
1:08:54switch last month in 10 people switch
1:08:55this month hundred percent more people
1:08:57switch this month I I sincerely doubt
1:09:00that the number of people switching from
1:09:02that books to surface laptops is
1:09:05significant and I also strongly suspect
1:09:07that if the ones who are our people who
1:09:10never really took to the mac in the
1:09:11first place and that they are not the
1:09:14mac loyalists that's the term of the
1:09:17headline of German story i really doubt
1:09:22that any of them organized i would say
1:09:24any obviously there's in a world of 7
1:09:26billion people i'm sure there's some but
1:09:28that the number effectively is 0 of mac
1:09:31loyalists who have switched to the
1:09:32surface but I could be wrong but anyway
1:09:38would be nice to have numbers to back up
1:09:39a statement from Microsoft that isn't
1:09:42refuted at all more than ever and they
1:09:45said it's a disappointment
1:09:46no its you i mean i know a lot of people
1:09:47who are surface curious who just they
1:09:49wanted to get a device that you could
1:09:50draw on the screen that ran photoshop
1:09:52and they all bought surfaces 22 using
1:09:54coffee shops or to use around the house
1:09:55but they still kept their macs and I
1:09:57don't know how all these numbers to me
1:09:59this is a math problem is not really
1:10:01it's not a an industry trend i was just
1:10:04like the again like it's the same thing
1:10:06where we had those pixel sales were
1:10:07pixel more people were like that the
1:10:09acceleration of pixel is faster the
1:10:11internal turmoil has taken a toll this
1:10:13is government story more than a dozen
1:10:14engineers and managers working on Mac
1:10:16hardware of left four different apple
1:10:18teams are other companies in the past
1:10:20year-and-a-half said people familiar
1:10:21with the situation i allowed me to
1:10:25confirm that more than a dozen engineers
1:10:28are you on back hardware have left four
1:10:30different apple teams are other
1:10:32companies it's a lot more that it
1:10:33doesn't know people within Apple switch
1:10:37to other places within Apple all the
1:10:40time always have and it has been i think
1:10:43and you know this i think you probably
1:10:44noticed too i think there's been a
1:10:46little bit more shifting around in the
1:10:48last 18 months or so than usual
1:10:50just because of project title
1:10:52and then a few other things but it just
1:10:57cite as evidence of problems with an
1:10:59apple that quote more than a dozen
1:11:01engineers and managers working on Mac
1:11:03hardware of left four different teams is
1:11:05really not news at all it would be if 18
1:11:10months go by and fewer than a dozen
1:11:12engineers and managers to change jobs
1:11:14that would be startling it would it
1:11:18I I wouldn't believe it and also it's
1:11:21unclear to me what that means because I
1:11:22i know people who are on loan to other
1:11:24like you know maybe they work on iphone
1:11:27but they've been on loan to Apple watch
1:11:28to complete a project over there and
1:11:30then eventually they either stay where
1:11:31they go back and they move around all
1:11:33the time depending on where those
1:11:34engineering resources are needed and
1:11:36it's a and again it's just talk max
1:11:38weren't a priority this year is very
1:11:40easily it is very easy to see those
1:11:42those engineers get put in other
1:11:43projects in the meantime right and i
1:11:46know for example I know that people who
1:11:47worked on touch bar on loan from other
1:11:49teams because it's you know it wasn't it
1:11:52does not like they need to dedicate a
1:11:53touch of our team forever
1:11:55I mean I think there's never going to be
1:11:56an update to the touch part but that to
1:11:58ship the first one and decide here is
1:11:59the foundation of how it works
1:12:01we need some iOS people because we gotta
1:12:03get you know let's get these guys from
1:12:04you know work on iOS because they know
1:12:06how to do the sculpture on Claver or
1:12:08whatever you know but anyway I don't
1:12:10know I just don't think again there is
1:12:12definitely something weird and
1:12:14problematic going on with apples
1:12:16desktops across-the-board even the imac
1:12:21maybe I mean just seems a little weird
1:12:24to go home over a year without an update
1:12:27at all even a speed bump totally and
1:12:29stop by the same token I mean we know
1:12:31people who for years have been saying
1:12:32why doesn't Apple take a break and not
1:12:33even get off this yearly update cycle
1:12:35it's just those products going three or
1:12:37two years i think is is is alarming but
1:12:39you're going a year between imax if it's
1:12:41the spring instead of the fall I don't
1:12:43think that's the army
1:12:44yeah so anyway I and what I've heard
1:12:48repeatedly from people that Apple is
1:12:50that you know regarding government
1:12:52stories and stuff like this that like
1:12:54not specific stories you know I mean
1:12:56like a good Germans best story of 2016
1:12:59pros probably the airport's scoop you
1:13:03got certain details wrong including like
1:13:05the big thing he got wrong was that the
1:13:07air pods would be beats branded and that
1:13:11beats would come out with a low lower
1:13:13price thing which is made no sense to me
1:13:17marketing rise
1:13:18you know like the apple branded one is
1:13:19the one that would be priced to sell and
1:13:22the beats is the premium brand that
1:13:23would be more expensive and in fact
1:13:25that's exactly how it turned out that
1:13:26beat sells the three-hundred-dollar over
1:13:28the year things in their pots are of
1:13:30course apple-branded but in terms of
1:13:33what the air pods were and how they
1:13:34would work and it to have a little
1:13:35charging case and stuff like that he had
1:13:37that last January very specific spot on
1:13:40even the product marketing part that he
1:13:43got wrong
1:13:44each should have even speculated he gets
1:13:46the product marketing stuff wrong almost
1:13:48all the time because people and product
1:13:50marketing just don't leak and the people
1:13:52who do leak or people who know things
1:13:54like the hardware engineering and that's
1:13:57obviously who leaked the story anyway
1:13:58specific story like that government
1:14:00nails it something like this that's
1:14:01bigger he often gets facts right but
1:14:03gets the story wrong is that I've heard
1:14:05that from like three different people
1:14:06going to get ready it's super-hard what
1:14:09he does is super super tough not just
1:14:11gathering information but doing the
1:14:12analytics behind it sort of guessing
1:14:14apples intent that which is you know
1:14:15kudos to them for doing it I wouldn't
1:14:18but that that part is super super hard
1:14:20now they're desperately running at it
1:14:24I'm we're going to do a big year in
1:14:27review or not we're going to get to have
1:14:29to throw out the rush through that part
1:14:30we can pick our targets I let me take a
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1:16:21list is consumer reports
1:16:23yeah he asked oh so consumer reports at
1:16:27the end of last week on friday how would
1:16:29you summarize it
1:16:30I don't you summarize it so they put out
1:16:32of it so we put out a headline ie they
1:16:36put out a report saying that they could
1:16:37not recommend the new macbook pro
1:16:39because they got wildly inconsistent
1:16:40battery tests was I think that just the
1:16:43gist of it that went from 15 hours on
1:16:45the high end to like
1:16:47three-point-something low-end and so
1:16:51they gave it there's the first macbooks
1:16:53ever not to receive their quote unquote
1:16:55recommended in other words there's it's
1:16:57sort of like the Good Housekeeping Seal
1:16:59of Approval that they're not saying it's
1:17:01the best are not saying it's worse than
1:17:03that ranking 10 laptops you know his
1:17:05number two number three it's just is it
1:17:07at least in their recommended list and
1:17:10it's sort of like a you know a minimum
1:17:12badge of visit a decent machine and it's
1:17:15the first one ever not to get it
1:17:17and I was a top that all the text is it
1:17:20was the number one story on tech
1:17:21mon-friday yeah their logic was because
1:17:25they thought that battery was such an
1:17:27important characteristic that they
1:17:28couldn't take an average had to take the
1:17:29lowest results for each one because
1:17:30that's the only thing people count on it
1:17:32got scored based on having around a
1:17:34three-point something hour battery life
1:17:35so the consumer reports again it is it
1:17:40hello there you complain about consumer
1:17:41reports consistent something bad about
1:17:42Apple but this is it to frame this
1:17:44consumer reports has been around for a
1:17:45long time and when I was growing up had
1:17:47a great reputation and that it was
1:17:51expensive because one of the policies
1:17:53that they have is that they don't accept
1:17:55product advertising and so they are
1:17:57supported by their subscribers and it's
1:18:01a very expensive thing to do so when
1:18:03they do things like they test cars they
1:18:05go to a car dealer and they buy cars and
1:18:08they don't say I'm from consumer reports
1:18:10and they buy a card you know they just
1:18:11going like regular customers and buy
1:18:13whatever cars they're testing so that
1:18:15they know that they're getting a
1:18:16consumer product not like a cherry
1:18:19picked you know hey this is you know
1:18:23like the ford motor company is going to
1:18:24make sure everything's right about this
1:18:25car before they give it to consumer
1:18:28reports on loan for a week of testing or
1:18:30something like that they have their own
1:18:31test track they own a test right where
1:18:33they drive cars and they test everything
1:18:36from washing machines refrigerated all
1:18:38sorts of stuff
1:18:39Consumer Reports is not what it used to
1:18:42be though there was like editorial perch
1:18:44about five or six years ago i'll put a
1:18:45link in the show notes from like a
1:18:46former editor but effectively that they
1:18:49got new management five or six years ago
1:18:52who thought they could do a lot better
1:18:54with cheaper with new you know like just
1:18:58sort of freelancing out all the way like
1:19:00satellite reviewers right and redesign
1:19:03the magazine and it became a lot less
1:19:05dense and that reviews it is a lot more
1:19:08like the sort of USA Today that up you
1:19:11know it's a lot more graphs and charts
1:19:12and graphics and a lot less dense text
1:19:15and so if you think the Consumer Reports
1:19:18has gone downhill just in your mind
1:19:20there's actually a factual basis for
1:19:22that insofar as a huge amount of their
1:19:25staff that used to be their long-term
1:19:27people who had were there for 10 20
1:19:29years or even more
1:19:30no longer work there number to their
1:19:34computer testing has never actually been
1:19:35very good in my opinion that's his
1:19:39background but here's the thing is what
1:19:41they say about these new macbook pros
1:19:42maybe the new macbook pros get into
1:19:45inferior battery life let's just say
1:19:47that that's a possibility what they're
1:19:50saying no it doesn't make any sense at
1:19:52all like to test these machines that
1:19:54apple claims gets 10 hours and whatever
1:19:57whatever the Apple testing is get range
1:20:00from 3 hours to 18 hours the 18-hour
1:20:03number is impossible like numerous
1:20:05people on Twitter pointed out and i
1:20:08believe it's true that if you turn on a
1:20:10macbook pro and don't open any apps and
1:20:13just set it so that the did the display
1:20:16doesn't go to sleep automatically you're
1:20:18not going to get 18 hours of battery
1:20:19life
1:20:20yeah it was just sitting there idle with
1:20:23the screen on as bright as they say it
1:20:25is unless you forget unplug it for part
1:20:28of that time it seems incredibly
1:20:29unlikely that that would be the amount
1:20:30of time you can I don't get to it got it
1:20:32obviously the machines went to sleep or
1:20:34something
1:20:34i mean i-i don't know but they don't
1:20:36number two they don't reveal their
1:20:37testing now presumably they don't reveal
1:20:39the exact nature of their testing
1:20:40because they don't want to if they say
1:20:43if they give you repeatable steps of how
1:20:45they test the battery life then computer
1:20:48makers could maybe somehow game the
1:20:51system and that's very mean Samsung has
1:20:53been caught on a game things like each
1:20:54bench Frenchman's yet but I depends
1:20:58though see benchmarks are different
1:21:00because you can like the benchmark
1:21:03cheating is dreadfully easy in some
1:21:06cases where like there's ways that that
1:21:09they actually compile code that looks
1:21:11for the compiled code of the benchmark
1:21:13and then just knows to give the right
1:21:15answer without actually going through
1:21:18the actual algorithm right yeah like it
1:21:22if you happen to know I mean just to put
1:21:23into super layman's terms if you just
1:21:25happen to know that the benchmark is
1:21:27going to ask what the square root of a
1:21:31particular large number is you can just
1:21:34hard code the answer that instead of
1:21:36computing the square root you just say
1:21:38well if if that you know asking for the
1:21:40square root of this particular large
1:21:42number just give the just skip ahead
1:21:43the answer because we already have it
1:21:45and that's the sort of cheating
1:21:46Samsung's been caught doing yet
1:21:47literally I mean not on the square root
1:21:49but on someone you know a real example I
1:21:52don't know how you could do that with
1:21:53battery life I I it depending on the
1:21:56test its it you know i don't know and
1:21:59it's contrary to the way that science
1:22:03works right the whole point of of like
1:22:05publishing something in Sciences you
1:22:07know you published in a way that you can
1:22:09get reproducible results the repeatable
1:22:11and I think that immediately was a was a
1:22:13red flag to me on twitter is a lot of
1:22:15the minute article but you know Apple
1:22:17controversy remove the time remaining
1:22:19indicator but before they did that it's
1:22:21always been bad but for this new
1:22:23generation macbook I was and I tweeted
1:22:25them for weeks before it became an issue
1:22:27that i was getting like 16 hours or 14
1:22:29hours or 18 hours remaining on it when
1:22:31it was clearly not the case it and that
1:22:34those numbers sort of match the sort of
1:22:35made up numbers that the API was
1:22:36spitting out to me was curious from the
1:22:38get-go also used I never saw numbers
1:22:41like that but I never really looked at
1:22:43that number and i've upgraded the test
1:22:45machines i have here to to the yet 12
1:22:48you know to 12.2 10-point 12.2 god I
1:22:52hate that 10 so i can't test it i was
1:22:55always getting the opposite i was
1:22:57getting an under representative estimate
1:23:00when I did look but i think but part of
1:23:03it is that I just I just don't look at
1:23:05that time remaining I just look at the
1:23:06percentage i really do it's just the
1:23:08habit i've gotten into I'm not yet been
1:23:10known to be wrong for a while and it was
1:23:12actually joking with someone who makes
1:23:13you uses the third-party api which is
1:23:15slightly different he was just saying
1:23:16I'm just gonna cap it at 10 hours
1:23:18because i can't trust anything that has
1:23:19over that so the third party one is
1:23:21different i didn't know that in there
1:23:23because ya know I do know that you can
1:23:25still get it without installing any
1:23:27third-party utilities you can get out of
1:23:28activity meter
1:23:29yeah that's the Apple we're not activity
1:23:31monitor and there's plenty of
1:23:34third-party utilities i'm actually i did
1:23:36laugh when when when I first found out
1:23:39that adults but as
1:23:41as part of the explanation for how
1:23:43they've improved battery life on the new
1:23:45macbook pros in in this 10-point 12.2
1:23:48update that they removed the time
1:23:49remaining I'd i literally laughed out
1:23:52loud because it looks so bad so I know
1:23:56people internally have been trying to
1:23:57get that thing fixed for years and then
1:23:58I pointed out again this time to think
1:24:00later removed fixed and then I pointed
1:24:02it out to someone on the team when it
1:24:04happens to me again and there they came
1:24:06back and they looked and they went holy
1:24:07shit why is this like this and i think
1:24:09that they just didn't have time to fix
1:24:10it be and I think because they do a
1:24:12harder problem to solve and tenth you
1:24:14know to get it out for four 10-point
1:24:1612.2 they could taking it out was
1:24:19obviously easy that's that's a really
1:24:22easy software change fixing it might be
1:24:24hard and they're not going to delay
1:24:26they're not going to delay 10-point 12.2
1:24:29tell it to wait for the fix and because
1:24:33there's all sorts of other good stuff in
1:24:34in that update that was ready to ship
1:24:37and so you know I'm down with it's just
1:24:42funny that it is sad
1:24:44that's at but it's funny that it that
1:24:45they decided to do it in response to
1:24:47complaints about a new device the way
1:24:48they should have done is take it out of
1:24:50Sierra just take it out you know should
1:24:53have recognized that it was either fix
1:24:55it for Sierra or take it out for Sierra
1:24:57and just say it's a Sierra update it
1:24:59like a lot of things that Apple it
1:25:00doesn't get attention until it does
1:25:02right right and it's got the wrong kind
1:25:06it made me laugh anyway I've told you
1:25:10before the show I have spent the last
1:25:12five days since friday creating my own
1:25:15little battery benchmark now here's how
1:25:18to consumer reports claims and I have a
1:25:21quote from me but effectively they say
1:25:22what they do to test the battery is they
1:25:24load a series of web pages repeatedly
1:25:26over and over until the battery runs out
1:25:28and they run them from a locally hosted
1:25:32web server in their lab which i think is
1:25:36actually in my opinion is the wrong way
1:25:38to do it i feel i guess they're thinking
1:25:40that if they run it locally they can get
1:25:42more repeatable but you know that if
1:25:44there's some sort of
1:25:46problem between here and the actual
1:25:48server but they get like a rogue add
1:25:50tracker that just brings up more and
1:25:51more trackers and starts killing the
1:25:53processes but I feel like if you want to
1:25:56test real-world battery life you should
1:25:57test it on real-world websites it's you
1:26:00know like running off a fake web server
1:26:02in your lab testing loading the pages
1:26:04from a fake web server in your lab is
1:26:06like it's saying like we're not going to
1:26:08run the real version of photoshop we're
1:26:10going to write you know run around
1:26:11simulation of photoshop it's you know
1:26:14why not run the real thing that's what
1:26:16real people are going to do so i'm gonna
1:26:17reply of a bit of a drawing instead of
1:26:19running the program that makes the
1:26:20drawing now I haven't published yet
1:26:22because I'm not done and unlike consumer
1:26:24reports i don't want to publish it
1:26:25performed on but I can talk about it
1:26:26here on the show
1:26:27it's a very simple i wrote an apple
1:26:28script and what it does it took 25
1:26:31stories from the top 25 stories on tech
1:26:33meme on Friday just to have real-world
1:26:38stories that are supposedly actually
1:26:40prompt popular real pet pages that were
1:26:42loaded by real people don't think it
1:26:45really matters too much what they are
1:26:46but there are real website and then it
1:26:53one at a time
1:26:54loads them into new tabs leaves all of
1:26:56them open loads and loads a webpage wait
1:26:59five seconds pages down
1:27:01wait another five seconds pages down
1:27:04wait another five seconds pages down
1:27:05after that goes on to the next URL does
1:27:09the same thing
1:27:1015 seconds with five seconds in between
1:27:11two page down to simulate you know
1:27:14reading a website loading anything else
1:27:18that might roll into the scrollview like
1:27:20an automatic playing video or something
1:27:22like that
1:27:23I do all 25 of them have 25 tabs open
1:27:27and then at the end of that close it
1:27:29start all over again
1:27:31load the same 25 pages over and over
1:27:32again at a sort of four you know it i
1:27:36could take out the five-second delays
1:27:38and it like it's like the screen is just
1:27:39like flash flash flash and it's it go
1:27:41away faster and you can see in real life
1:27:43is anybody actually going to sit there
1:27:45in front of a computer for five hours
1:27:47and every 15 seconds to load another web
1:27:50page and scroll down now I mean it's
1:27:53sort of like simulating like a coke
1:27:55fiend on a new Athens but it's just it's
1:27:59not supposed to be like this is
1:28:00emulating a real person and really use
1:28:01it's just something that I could run on
1:28:04multiple machines to see if the scores
1:28:06come out consistently on multiple runs
1:28:09on the same machine and to compare one
1:28:11machine to another and to compare these
1:28:13new ones to my old 2014 macbook pro ah
1:28:16and their results i got a very different
1:28:19than consumer report so there wasn't
1:28:21like a 15-hour 1230 would know if
1:28:24anything the the results have actually
1:28:26gotten slowly but steadily better since
1:28:28friday on the same machine which I
1:28:30attribute to the fact that when i first
1:28:32started on friday i just updated
1:28:3410-point 12.2 on the one where I'd sort
1:28:37of pact these reviewing its up to send
1:28:39back to Apple glad i didn't they were
1:28:41all packed up and most of the time three
1:28:43of them i have one without i have the
1:28:45macbook escape have 13-inch with a core
1:28:48i5 with a touch bar and I have a 15-inch
1:28:50I attributed the earlier ones getting
1:28:55worse scores by about an hour to the
1:28:58fact that i did check not while the
1:29:01benchmark was running but just when I
1:29:03was setting up and testing and trying to
1:29:05figure you know just making sure that
1:29:06the test did what I thought it did it
1:29:08was logging what I thought it did what I
1:29:10do is I right to a text file every time
1:29:11through the 25 tabs just to list that
1:29:14how long has gone since we started and
1:29:16what's the current battery life as a
1:29:18percentage to make sure it was all
1:29:21saying I ran it sometimes with activity
1:29:23monitor running and I could tell the
1:29:25first time it was running that the a lot
1:29:27of the photos demons for running in the
1:29:29background yeah i think because i have
1:29:33these machines signed into my icloud
1:29:35account and i think that the photo
1:29:38sharing all the photos I've taken since
1:29:41i wrote my macbook review in October
1:29:43were new and so was doing facial
1:29:46detection and all that stuff on all of
1:29:48the photos that I've taken since october
1:29:50and we took a vacation over thanksgiving
1:29:52and so there was actually a lot of
1:29:53photos i honestly think that the photo
1:29:56thing was giving you know so effectively
1:29:58I got I don't have the exact numbers
1:29:59here but i was getting four hours and
1:30:01change on my test on the 13-inch macbook
1:30:04pro the new one with the touch bar and
1:30:06now like I ran it last night i got five
1:30:08and a half hour
1:30:09and smoke but it's you know all between
1:30:13four hours and change in a maximum of
1:30:16like five the macbook escape got six
1:30:21hours and 20 minutes so it actually does
1:30:24get as reported by some you know I guess
1:30:27now that I have the script i can
1:30:28actually report battery life when I
1:30:30write these reviews but it does get
1:30:33better battery life than the one with
1:30:34the touch bar on which makes some sense
1:30:37i think because the touch bar never goes
1:30:39off this script i have that you know
1:30:40obviously have the machine set to not do
1:30:42miss the display not dim it
1:30:43automatically the touch bar is always on
1:30:46because it seems to the computer that
1:30:48the user is actively constantly never
1:30:50stopping to use safari well it also i
1:30:53think some people notice this when they
1:30:54were first introduced that the specs are
1:30:55widely different it would be odd that
1:30:56they would get the same battery life
1:30:57according to apple with those different
1:30:59specs right the other crazy thing from
1:31:03the consumer reports
1:31:04yes that was very said that they said
1:31:07that switching from safari to Chrome fix
1:31:10the problem they got consistent results
1:31:12and it got better results so it there
1:31:16who knows what's going on there I've
1:31:18still can't wait to hear the explanation
1:31:19for this i still keep there's no i don't
1:31:22care just no possible way that you can
1:31:24load webpages for 18 hours on one of
1:31:27these machines but the idea that
1:31:29switching the chrome would fix it makes
1:31:31no sense whatsoever because chrome is
1:31:33widely known as a battery hog that the
1:31:35one of the single biggest differences
1:31:37between safari and chrome on the mac is
1:31:39that chrome is not optimized for battery
1:31:42life and safari is optimized possibly as
1:31:46its single highest priority for battery
1:31:48life like I don't know that there's a
1:31:49single priority on Apple's WebKit Safari
1:31:51team higher than maximizing battery life
1:31:54it is a grade 1 priority there is ZERO
1:31:59regression jihad right and la lo and
1:32:04behold I tried the sack same battery
1:32:05test with chrome I same URLs same delay
1:32:09between scrolling all I did was change
1:32:13tell application safari to you know you
1:32:19know and then here's the the repeat you
1:32:21know very simple script i will publish
1:32:22it so
1:32:23that people can reproduce the results
1:32:24all I did was change the tail target
1:32:26from tell application safari to tell
1:32:28application google chrome that's the
1:32:31only change yeah everything else
1:32:32actually there's no other change that's
1:32:34needed to the even Apple script it's the
1:32:36command is very simple it's just open
1:32:37location and then you put the URL as a
1:32:40string and it open so you don't even
1:32:41have to change that the battery life lo
1:32:44and behold was only two-thirds as long
1:32:48as with safari went from you know four
1:32:50hours and change the three hours and
1:32:52change and you divide one over the other
1:32:54and came out to like points64 points65
1:32:56it was almost exactly two thirds of the
1:32:59thirty-three percent drop off and
1:33:00battery switching the chrome I always
1:33:02gonna get in your macbook i try i do
1:33:04Chrome for a day and it's a without fail
1:33:06it's an hour-and-a-half less battery
1:33:08life for me thats it thats exactly fits
1:33:11with my this the little simple test that
1:33:15Iran and now I'm not even saying that
1:33:17this is a great the world's greatest
1:33:18battery test all i can say is that it's
1:33:21as close as i can come to approximating
1:33:23what consumer reports says they did and
1:33:25i don't think it's an unreasonable
1:33:26battery test know and fairly reasonable
1:33:29to me what was so odd to me with this
1:33:30whole situation is one that consumer
1:33:32reports would be happy enough with those
1:33:33results to publish them instead of
1:33:35becoming super positive super inquire
1:33:37why am I getting these results i need to
1:33:39understand these before I try to explain
1:33:41it to somebody else and also we find out
1:33:43again on Twitter no Marco has mentioned
1:33:45this before is that we're really bad
1:33:47with multiple truths like the the
1:33:49battery could not live up to apples
1:33:51expectations and it could be shitty test
1:33:52both those things could be true
1:33:54consumer reports did nothing to sort of
1:33:56convinced me that the shitty test part 1
1:33:57part of it i will say though that my
1:34:00tests show that these the new macbook
1:34:03pros are getting better battery life
1:34:04consistently at least an hour more than
1:34:06my 2014 13 inch macbook pro now that
1:34:10said yes my 2014 macbook pro which I
1:34:12personally own is two years old almost
1:34:15to exactly two years old and I've used
1:34:18it a lot over two years and the
1:34:20batteries no batteries two-year-old
1:34:23batteries that have been used for two
1:34:24years do not behave as well as brand-new
1:34:26batteries and i'm sure it's quite
1:34:28certain that that very same machine that
1:34:31i own probably would have scored
1:34:32significantly better if if I tested it
1:34:34two years ago so it may happy and
1:34:37Apple sits and apples 22 year-old apples
1:34:39comparison but i will say it is an hour
1:34:42longer so if I were to switch today from
1:34:47my 2014 macbook pro to the new one with
1:34:49touch bar I would expect to get a an
1:34:51hour more battery life of active active
1:34:54use totally and I mean there's there's a
1:34:56lot of things again to unpack your one
1:34:57is that Apple famously a few years ago
1:34:59change the way they measured battery
1:35:00life and resulted in significantly
1:35:02better battery estimates people just
1:35:04remark that Apple's became super solid
1:35:05but times keep changing and I think
1:35:07Apple does have to update these again
1:35:08and we saw that with iphone devices
1:35:10recently too because it's not back like
1:35:13the Steve Jobs days when he did when he
1:35:14started going through web pages it was
1:35:16the New York Times and apple com
1:35:18and that's just not how people don't
1:35:20just check email and the web now anymore
1:35:22they've got snapchat and Facebook and
1:35:25pokemon go and apps that keep the screen
1:35:27lit up and keep the radios fire to keep
1:35:29gps on all the time and are
1:35:31significantly higher battery drains and
1:35:33this is what this is what a lot of
1:35:34normal people are using then then just
1:35:36looking at web pages are male and the
1:35:38same is true on the mac depending on
1:35:39which sites you choose to load these can
1:35:41have you know and i decide i run is
1:35:43guilty of this is anybody if they don't
1:35:45get loaded tractor which will load a
1:35:46tracker and every once in a while I get
1:35:48one that just goes 50 or 80 levels deep
1:35:50and killed every year guilt here than
1:35:52most
1:35:53yes guilty than most sure hey maybe
1:35:56maybe my site was the consumer reports
1:35:58killed the macbook I don't do wonder i
1:36:00think that that might explain the bit of
1:36:02some of the variability that ice I've
1:36:05seen in my own testing here is that even
1:36:08loading the same 25 URLs every time you
1:36:10can get different ad trackers and it
1:36:12certainly see you certainly see if you
1:36:14ever look in activity monitor and you
1:36:16see one safari process you know because
1:36:20each tab in modern safari gets its own
1:36:22process and you can see them
1:36:25individually an activity monitor and if
1:36:26you see one for I more that's taking 1.2
1:36:31gigabytes of RAM that's you're like wow
1:36:34that's weird because I've got three I
1:36:35more tabs open and only one of them is
1:36:38using this it's something like that it
1:36:40totally and again like the there's no
1:36:43indication that they were like use that
1:36:44the photos agent could spin up or
1:36:46spotlight indexer could spit up and
1:36:49as various processes that are running in
1:36:51the background that could have profound
1:36:52impact on what the battery life is and
1:36:54there was no indication that controlled
1:36:55for that either
1:36:56yeah so it's you know a lot of hello
1:36:59blue about nothing and again as you said
1:37:01the market pointed out that doesn't mean
1:37:02that the battery life on these things is
1:37:04great but from my testing it doesn't
1:37:07seem to be bad and also it also doesn't
1:37:10put aside the fact that there are
1:37:11definitely there were definitely bugs in
1:37:1410-point 12.1 across the board and i
1:37:17think in particular in safari there was
1:37:20something going on there and I've heard
1:37:23from people at Apple that some of the
1:37:24people you know and ended again be if
1:37:26you're out there and you've got a
1:37:27macbook pro and you've had it you're
1:37:29really really sad or just pointing
1:37:31battery life i'm not saying that that's
1:37:33not true and I know that there are
1:37:34people out there I i know that there are
1:37:36people at Apple those who are a hundred
1:37:37percent convinced hundred percent that
1:37:39its software and that it's easily
1:37:41fixable and will be fixed and it's not
1:37:43hardware that they might have hit a
1:37:45couple edge cases and one of the last
1:37:46greatly skew the results and again
1:37:48instead of attending part to me that i
1:37:50dislike about the modern internet and it
1:37:52it's similar like when Apple remove the
1:37:54time remaining indicator two-story look
1:37:56we lost the battery life story all the
1:37:57time about the battery life indicator
1:37:59and this was about the headline Consumer
1:38:00Reports can't recommend the macbook
1:38:02there could be an issue with the battery
1:38:04life and that gets totally lost and
1:38:05you've got a lot of the same tweets that
1:38:07I did and when we do just raised
1:38:08questions about this year called an
1:38:09apologist or mad or something else but
1:38:12to me these are legitimate questions
1:38:13because i actually want to know about
1:38:14the battery life I really don't care
1:38:15about the rest of it i just want an
1:38:17answer on that
1:38:18yeah i agree so anyway I think that the
1:38:22consumer reports blew it on this
1:38:24I you know anyway you'll hear more from
1:38:26me on the battery test and i will
1:38:27publish the script and people can run it
1:38:30themselves and I do hope anyone in this
1:38:31you know this is my speculation but i do
1:38:33think that consumer reports got a taste
1:38:34for what
1:38:35big big attention is because they
1:38:37they're battling for relevance now their
1:38:38sites like wire cutter there's a whole
1:38:39internet out there it used to be just
1:38:41consumer reports and now they have to
1:38:43compete with a bunch of the size and
1:38:44resolution in this industry and with
1:38:46antennagate they saw a ton of attention
1:38:48and then after that we got the weird
1:38:50sort of Bend gate stuff from them and
1:38:52then last year it was the samsung galaxy
1:38:53active water retention and it just feels
1:38:56like they're testing to see where they
1:38:58can regain relevancy with these things
1:39:00and I think that that leave them to
1:39:02publish our
1:39:02chuckles that aren't always in the best
1:39:03interest of their consumers yeah you
1:39:06know I know one last thing I will point
1:39:07out and this is the thing where I feel
1:39:09like the most screwed the pooch is bike
1:39:12by publishing on friday when they did
1:39:14was that they tested multiple machines
1:39:18and got the same inconsistent results on
1:39:20all of them so I don't put it past the
1:39:23possibility that a very you know an
1:39:25early production model of of one of
1:39:28these machines could be a lemon and
1:39:29would produce wildly different results
1:39:32that's certainly possible but the odds
1:39:36that you would buy three and all three
1:39:39would exhibit the same bizarre behavior
1:39:41and like nobody else is seeing the
1:39:44wildly divergent the battery life like
1:39:47that between runs
1:39:49I mean it for you not to 41 not to
1:39:52suspect that the problem is with the
1:39:54tests and not with the machines boggles
1:39:55the mind
1:39:56yeah again if it was just one device and
1:39:59and you got that boy had it you know
1:40:01that seems possible but it three devices
1:40:05that mean it'sit's you know like that
1:40:06scene in casino when De Niro's berating
1:40:09the hay because 332 slot machines in a
1:40:12row he gave out a jackpot and he didn't
1:40:15suspect that they were being scanned and
1:40:17not totally and again we have an antec
1:40:19we have are technically have a lot of
1:40:20sites that you really really good work
1:40:23with battery test and there's a lot of
1:40:24things that you can check these results
1:40:25with ya
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1:42:58apologies to Caleb so let's cover the
1:43:01entire year in five minutes okay
1:43:03the Year in Review 2016 I I'm i thought
1:43:06was what are your favorite products of
1:43:08the year and I my two favorite products
1:43:09of the year very easy number one the
1:43:12winner for product of the year is air
1:43:14pods and number two the iphone 7
1:43:18I've already talked I've written i wrote
1:43:20a huge review the iphone 7 I don't need
1:43:21to say why I like it but i will just
1:43:25point out this I as the time goes on I
1:43:27get more used to my iphone 7 I i really
1:43:31like to kind of hope that if it's true
1:43:34that they go bezel is that the whole
1:43:35device will shrink and it will become
1:43:37even smaller in my hand I mean I'm an
1:43:39iphone 7 person I from seven plus i'd
1:43:41love to have an iphone SE sighs device
1:43:44or almost iphone SE sighs device and
1:43:46just have the whole thing be a display
1:43:48but even so i've been using this seven
1:43:51size for so long but i love the little
1:43:54things that they've done differently in
1:43:55this to call it exactly the same
1:43:57industrial design is it's just not true
1:43:59yes it's very very similar it is
1:44:01familiar and i will also point out three
1:44:06months in that my jet black used with no
1:44:10case iphone 7 still looks fantastic
1:44:14yes there are scratches not just fine
1:44:16whatever they call them here whatever
1:44:18they call those micro operations there
1:44:20are plenty of micro operations which are
1:44:22impossible to see unless you really tilt
1:44:24exactly the right and look for it but
1:44:26there are also i don't even know when
1:44:28this happened about an inch down and a
1:44:32half an inch to the right of the apple
1:44:33logo there are some like serious
1:44:35scratches on it you can't see them even
1:44:38this actual scratch scratches you can't
1:44:40see them unless you really look for it
1:44:42I don't and I don't care it's fine i
1:44:44love it it's the it feels so great in my
1:44:47hand it is not slippery it wasn't
1:44:49slippery when it was hot
1:44:51I've been in the three months I've had
1:44:53it I've been in the tropics i have been
1:44:55in freezing sub-freezing East Coast
1:44:59whether it's not slippery when your
1:45:01hands are cold it's not slippery when
1:45:03your hands are hot it's not slippery at
1:45:05room temperature and I i do i've been
1:45:09i've taken some amazing photographs with
1:45:11the camera so iphone 7 my second
1:45:13favorite product in here
1:45:14what about you what's your favorite
1:45:16products with you you know i would say
1:45:18the iphone 7 plus it's because I've been
1:45:19on the plus since first came out I just
1:45:21love the larger screen because to me it
1:45:23really it becomes a primary computing
1:45:25device and I can do everything that my
1:45:26job almost everything my job needs me to
1:45:28do right from my iphone and especially
1:45:30with the camera system
1:45:32the the lens fusion on the iphone 7 plus
1:45:34i used to shoot everything for I more
1:45:36with DSLR and i haven't used one since
1:45:39this phone came out and yeah there's
1:45:41some gray and a lot of the pictures but
1:45:43I'm taking photos I never thought I
1:45:45would be able to take it just photos
1:45:46that I could never have taken with
1:45:47previous generation iphones and to me
1:45:50that's a huge huge improvement but
1:45:52because we already picked iphone I'm
1:45:54gonna go with the 9.7 inch iPad pro
1:45:56because it has all of the benefits of
1:45:59the big ipad pro its but it's even more
1:46:02of sort of this hybrid computer I no
1:46:04other companies have been making these
1:46:05convertible computers for years but to
1:46:07me Apple really nailed it with this
1:46:09because you have the keyboard and you
1:46:10can sit there and in a coffee shop or on
1:46:12an airplane train table a tray table and
1:46:14and type and within two or three minutes
1:46:16i forget i'm typing on a piece of laser
1:46:18blade taffeta and i just type and it's
1:46:20great and then you can pull it off and
1:46:22sit back and use it like an ipad air 2
1:46:24its exact same basic size shape and wait
1:46:26and watch movies or play games or do
1:46:29those things and forget that a few
1:46:30seconds ago it was basically like a
1:46:32little laptop computer and then you add
1:46:34in that the decent camera system on that
1:46:36which is as good as a previous
1:46:37generation iphone a true tone display
1:46:39which I hope you know Apple really
1:46:41refine that and put it everywhere and it
1:46:43just it it makes a really great product
1:46:46I the true tone display I'm a little
1:46:48disappointed that it didn't get into the
1:46:51iphone 7 and I see why because it
1:46:53actually requires additional sensors
1:46:55yeah and that space is at a premium and
1:46:58you know I i get it i but i love the
1:47:01two-tone display so much and I thought
1:47:04that the towel was when when when they
1:47:06introduced it back in March Schiller
1:47:07said once you see it you can get you
1:47:09know you can't do without it I thought
1:47:11that man is coming in the iphone because
1:47:13and maybe it was back then
1:47:14yeah maybe I don't know but it is it
1:47:17it's one of those neat ways that it in
1:47:21the old days I mean old days you know
1:47:23but the early days of the ipad the
1:47:25iphone was always a full step ahead
1:47:27it was the first to have everything
1:47:29first to get the new a series whatever
1:47:31first to get touch ID with the ipad pro
1:47:34the ipad is sort of in some ways a half
1:47:37a step ahead of the iphone right the
1:47:39iphone right now as we speak has the
1:47:41newer a series processor and does have a
1:47:44better cam
1:47:44but it's the 9.7 inch iPad pro that has
1:47:48the truck display and the true tone is
1:47:49not a gimmick it is it is a real thing
1:47:52like it actually I i really do it
1:47:56bothers me when I use it at night in
1:47:58particular and then look at my iphone
1:48:00and because it makes my iphone look like
1:48:01it's miss colored I was hoping they'd
1:48:03figure out some great way to use the
1:48:05sensors on the ipad mini to say if you
1:48:06have any idea how to approach you had it
1:48:08it would just copy that display profile
1:48:10to all the other devices that you have
1:48:11on your account no ipad pro is a great
1:48:14device the other thing i think that is
1:48:16historically you know if we want to
1:48:19listen to this if somebody's listening
1:48:20to this 10 years in the future like to
1:48:23me the the ipad pro is an inflection
1:48:26point where they're a series arm
1:48:30processors past Intel's low-power
1:48:34processors the ones used in the regular
1:48:36macbook the ipad Monroe I know it's you
1:48:40know apples to oranges because its iOS
1:48:42vs mac OS but the fact that like you can
1:48:45get you get better geekbench scores on
1:48:47the ipad compared to the macbook is is
1:48:50in hindsight I i really think it's it's
1:48:52an inflection point because i think it's
1:48:54only going to get its going to diverge
1:48:56even more and I don't you know we don't
1:48:59have time for discussion of whether
1:49:00Apple's ever going to switch to those
1:49:02chips in the macbooks but it it's it
1:49:06given where the ipad started in 2011 or
1:49:102010 where it was I mean there's all
1:49:12sorts of things to love about the
1:49:14original iPad it was a popular product
1:49:16was useful i liked it but you'd never
1:49:19say well it's faster than a Mac yeah and
1:49:22this one with the with the latest
1:49:24generation macbook the m3 version was
1:49:26choking on a single stream of 4k video
1:49:29for me where the ipad pro could fly on
1:49:32three streams and you just never you
1:49:34know at one thing and I want you know
1:49:36just to go back to the previous segment
1:49:38where I would you know why use loading a
1:49:41bunch of tabs over and over again as a
1:49:42benchmark it is a something real people
1:49:47do is load pages and web browser tabs
1:49:51but be it's easy to forget that
1:49:53rendering web pages is computationally
1:49:56expensive
1:49:57it is really really like WebKit and and
1:50:00chrome and those things they do an
1:50:02incredible amount of its CPU intensive
1:50:05to render HTML models modern HTML with
1:50:08all the JavaScript and everything that's
1:50:09going on and you see it on the ipad pro
1:50:13like when you browse the web on the ipad
1:50:14pro it's like it just feels fast where
1:50:17it you know in the early years of the
1:50:18ipad it was nice to read web pages on
1:50:20the ipad but it wasn't nice to load
1:50:22webpages on the ipad are all
1:50:24checkerboard friend that we couldn't
1:50:25keep up it will show you that until it
1:50:27finally under the page and now I never
1:50:29see that I and airports my number one is
1:50:33air pods which I that can't i still have
1:50:36to do a review and I was sort of waiting
1:50:38for production ones I was uneasy with
1:50:43the emphasis Apple placed on the these
1:50:46are pre-production prototypes on the
1:50:47ones they gave us back in October I was
1:50:49uneasy writing of authoritative review
1:50:52about them especially once it became
1:50:54clear that there was some sort of delay
1:50:56that we didn't know what it was with the
1:50:59production one to be different i have to
1:51:01say in real life I think the battery
1:51:03life is a little worse on the production
1:51:06once but it could be it could be a
1:51:07placebo effect i don't know i don't know
1:51:09if you've noticed that but i would say
1:51:10it it's just a little bit it's more like
1:51:14I don't know maybe it's like they run
1:51:18that the actual airport seem to run down
1:51:20a little bit more noticeably but the
1:51:23case seems to hold the same amount of
1:51:24charge
1:51:25I i spent a lot of time trying to figure
1:51:26out differences and I was like is this
1:51:27magnet just a little bit magnet or maybe
1:51:29other ones were not know named Agnes
1:51:31don't wear out it's just a little bit
1:51:32more and just try to figure out what was
1:51:33different but my usage has been almost
1:51:35identical I can't think of anything
1:51:36that's significantly different from
1:51:38right but you know other but the battery
1:51:41from getting on these production model
1:51:43ones is still terrific and so much
1:51:45better than the old beats pre w100 yeah
1:51:50headphones i had it's mind-boggling
1:51:52those i have to decide to charge like my
1:51:54phone like everyday and if I didn't I
1:51:55wouldn't be able to get through a run
1:51:57with with the charge these you just
1:51:59haven't plugged them in i've been
1:52:00testing it how long this lasts i haven't
1:52:03plugged the Lightning into the case and
1:52:05see where ground here
1:52:07so right now i think after like five
1:52:10days my air pods are a hundred percent
1:52:12and the cases at fifteen percent so i
1:52:14have to plug it in soon i guess but i
1:52:17can take their parts out right now
1:52:18there's a hundred percent and I haven't
1:52:19I haven't plug this in and days and days
1:52:21and days i'm the same way my cases I
1:52:22think it's seven percent right now that
1:52:24I alternate two weeks i usually listen
1:52:25to podcasts audiobooks I almost always
1:52:27only have one in india time and I just
1:52:29alternate between them at last four days
1:52:31alright I have an important tip for all
1:52:33of you who have their pots already or
1:52:35who are waiting for them to arrive
1:52:38I've seen one of the complaints I've see
1:52:39now that they've shipped to real people
1:52:40as I've seen people say that they're
1:52:41hard to get out of the case because
1:52:44they're little stairs slippery white
1:52:46plastic and people are pinching them and
1:52:48pulling them and the magnet that sucks
1:52:50the man is fighting them and let's be a
1:52:53little gross after you use them for a
1:52:54while they pick up some ear wax right
1:52:56they're only going to get slippery don't
1:52:59pinch them to take them out of the case
1:53:00put your finger like your index finger
1:53:02or your thumb right in the middle
1:53:04between the two
1:53:05in other words put your finger right
1:53:06over the the light that lights up and
1:53:08just press them to the outside and they
1:53:11just pop right out
1:53:12you don't have to pinch it's a
1:53:13one-finger thing you just put your
1:53:15finger in the middle pushed to the side
1:53:17and they just pop right out
1:53:18so there's my my hot tip of the day for
1:53:21airport users i love these things they
1:53:23are exactly there everything I love
1:53:25about Apple they it's it's the best
1:53:28purest apple product i can think of in
1:53:30years
1:53:31everything about them the way they work
1:53:33the way they pair the integration
1:53:34between hardware and software the way
1:53:37that they've solved the pairing problem
1:53:39the way they've improved it the the way
1:53:43the case is sort of the most Jony ive
1:53:45design thing
1:53:46yeah at first I think of anything that
1:53:48Apple's ever made ever get it you know
1:53:51people pointed out the turnaround looks
1:53:52a little bit like Eve mall which johnny
1:53:55I've consulted on the the tactile
1:53:59sensation the fun of just clicking the
1:54:02case and having it shut and briefly
1:54:06briefly there was a thing that you see
1:54:07this thing this week where people have
1:54:08speculated that the that the case was
1:54:12originally going to use USBC instead of
1:54:14lightning because when you put the
1:54:15lightning cable and you can kind of see
1:54:18the the sides a little bit of you know
1:54:21like the slot and if you just pulled the
1:54:25USBC cable up it looks like it's the
1:54:27same with and people at loaves and so
1:54:30that guess the idea is that Apple made
1:54:32millions of these cases with a slot
1:54:34meant for us bc on the jacket on
1:54:37I hate this so much because this is
1:54:38what's exactly wrong with the internet
1:54:40didn't know know if you if you actually
1:54:42take the airport and you put a knife
1:54:43underneath it it is exactly the same
1:54:46port right you if you don't see the gap
1:54:49between the sides of the cable and the
1:54:51the slot on the iPhone because the
1:54:53iphones darker it's the fact that yes is
1:54:55why that makes it noticeable but people
1:54:58blog that I mean someone put them on
1:55:00Twitter and people and I had to go and
1:55:01write an article saying know if you
1:55:03actually look at it and you know I i
1:55:05have to go to bed an hour late that
1:55:06night because i have to write that
1:55:07article everything is that the with the
1:55:09the with matches up exactly with the
1:55:12width of us bc which is curious except
1:55:14for the fact that USBC is just a vaguely
1:55:16lightning
1:55:17sighs port so of course it's similar but
1:55:19because it's exactly the same with then
1:55:22it means it's not wide enough for it to
1:55:23fit know the whole has to be wider than
1:55:26the the plug and please don't try to
1:55:29force it because you're the italy right
1:55:30bad don't don't follow and then the
1:55:32second factor is that height wise in
1:55:35other words how thick you know not how
1:55:37wide the plug is about how thick it is
1:55:39it's nowhere near it's nowhere near a
1:55:44wide enough for us bc you can't even fit
1:55:47the corner of a USBC cable into this
1:55:49socket it's nowhere near wide enough
1:55:51yeah I heard it it's complete nonsense
1:55:53i'm not gonna waste any more time on
1:55:55there's absolutely zero truth this and
1:55:57you just proved it just by trying to fit
1:56:00the corner of a USBC thing in there but
1:56:02the second thing is that if Apple
1:56:04switched from us bc 2 r2 lightning they
1:56:07would have changed the size of the port
1:56:10in hardware like that's not like they
1:56:12make 50 million cases before they make
1:56:1550 million internals it's though it is
1:56:18exactly the Lightning port that they
1:56:20have used for devices going back from
1:56:21the beginning of light and there is no
1:56:23difference
1:56:23it's a nonsense center in its its its
1:56:25equivalent fake news it's i forget what
1:56:27Fraser Spears called it manufactured
1:56:29controversy right
1:56:30yes exactly everybody loves a conspiracy
1:56:34even if the conspiracy is that they
1:56:35switched from USB see the lightning
1:56:37ya know never happened and I I'd can't
1:56:39imagine how hard the eyes rolled at
1:56:40apple and if this even may die but they
1:56:42probably just looked at the internet and
1:56:43closed it at that point they're all
1:56:45right anymore one more product from you
1:56:47what you got
1:56:48i watch us 3i think just to get on the
1:56:49software side because he took even the
1:56:51original apple watch the series 0 and
1:56:53made it so much more responsive and so
1:56:55much more alive and yes they spent you
1:56:57know battery life and memory to do it
1:56:59but it sort of showed the refinement of
1:57:01what watch us could be when they when
1:57:02they sort of focus down on it yeah
1:57:04that's as it's a great pic i think
1:57:06there's a top-four that that is at the
1:57:09Year in Review
1:57:10I think it's a perfect top for I
1:57:11probably wouldn't have picked watch os3
1:57:13just cuz it wouldnt popped into my mind
1:57:14but once you said it was like oh yes
1:57:17definitely and I I'd i think that the
1:57:19fact that it made the the original
1:57:21series 0 watches so much better is the
1:57:24best example of it it's that it's not
1:57:26just an improvement for the new hardware
1:57:27but that if you already own an Apple
1:57:29watch my recommendation is strongly know
1:57:31there's no reason for you to buy a new
1:57:33one yes the new ones are nice
1:57:34improvement especially the brighter
1:57:36displays but unless your biggest
1:57:38complaint with your original apple watch
1:57:39is that you can't read the display and
1:57:41sunlight if if that's a frequent problem
1:57:43for you
1:57:43the new one might be worth it but that's
1:57:45the one and only reason i'll add one
1:57:47more and that is the 30-millimeter if
1:57:48you have trouble getting a day of
1:57:50battery life with work out the
1:57:5130-millimeter series 2 is much better
1:57:53for four workouts
1:57:54yeah that is that was a problem and
1:57:56maybe watching us three didn't solve it
1:57:58but anyway it's a terrific update
1:58:00because it's not just fix this thing
1:58:01doesn't just make things better but it
1:58:02really shows a thorough rethinking of of
1:58:07the way that everything about the
1:58:08interface of the watch and it was
1:58:10involved them humbly stepping back from
1:58:15some things like no we have guessed the
1:58:17hardware button shouldn't just be a way
1:58:18to doodle your friends it's totally yeah
1:58:21so anyway that's a great pic anything
1:58:26else Renee I mean it was it was a
1:58:30jam-packed year and there's still a few
1:58:32days left
1:58:33I worried I as we speak the news of the
1:58:38day is the sad passing of care yessir
1:58:41and so I with the way things are going
1:58:43with George Michael and Carrie Fisher
1:58:45it's like I i really hope there is no
1:58:47more news for the remainder of the year
1:58:49because so far the year-end news has
1:58:53been nothing but absolute garbage
1:58:56yes yeah first the worst that the
1:58:58universe can dump on us
1:58:59I i made a a comment on Twitter
1:59:01yesterday that i'm an optimist because i
1:59:03have to be otherwise I just assume that
1:59:04everyone was fleeing and that's the only
1:59:06possible explanation I have anymore
1:59:08Carrie Fisher seemed like a wonderful
1:59:09person and and the fact that it's well i
1:59:14mean i love the movies she's very funny
1:59:16but the fact that she wore her mental
1:59:19illness and our fights with that with
1:59:21that honor sleep just was like proud of
1:59:23it was at it it's so great and I've seen
1:59:28so many people on Twitter who maybe have
1:59:30to deal with some issues along those
1:59:31lines that what how amazing it was to
1:59:33have one of the most well-known
1:59:35actresses in the world just be out there
1:59:38and yeah I'm bipolar and you know that
1:59:41that's deal with it and instead of you
1:59:44know from decades past where that would
1:59:47be like a source of shame what it what a
1:59:49wonderful person and a wonderful life
1:59:51and what had horrendous horrendous loss
1:59:55you heard I at the age of 16 he was an
1:59:57inspiration in so many ways I princess
1:59:59leia was
1:59:59leia was
2:00:00just want a very small part of what you
2:00:01contributed I can't help but then again
2:00:05I don't mean to make light of the above
2:00:07her dying but it has a star wars are you
2:00:10can't help but think too good god this
2:00:12is going to change the new trilogy
2:00:15ya know what they're going to do ya mean
2:00:18general legana was in many ways the full
2:00:21the fullness of that character right and
2:00:23how weird is it going to be next year
2:00:25going to see episode 8 where she's in it
2:00:29yeah and you know how sad that is
2:00:32I don't know that i'm trying to think I
2:00:34guess there was the Fast and Furious
2:00:35movie were Paul whatever paul weller
2:00:38diet in a car accident in between
2:00:41filming I guess they weren't finished
2:00:42filming it and added they had to bring
2:00:44his brothers into you know if he
2:00:46apparently had some brothers look like a
2:00:48melody they came in and branches Leon
2:00:51agro I mean this is just sort of your
2:00:53rambles it's just going to be a real
2:00:54kick in that mean forget about whatever
2:00:56it means 4 episode 9 with whether she
2:00:58was going to be in or not but it's just
2:00:59going to be what a kick in the pants is
2:01:00going to be again in a year when episode
2:01:028 comes out and all of a sudden the
2:01:03first time you see on screen there's
2:01:05that the sinking feeling in your gut of
2:01:08you know who knows i got presumably i'm
2:01:11just guessing i have no idea but no
2:01:13spoilers this is just a guess but
2:01:14presumably she's going to see Luke in
2:01:16the movie and there's gonna be like a
2:01:17hug and wow they haven't seen each other
2:01:19and forever and it's supposed to be this
2:01:21happy moment the film and while being
2:01:22the theater like really crawling yeah
2:01:24she's dead and just even just her
2:01:27Twitter commentary was absolutely
2:01:29priceless it i could you read it I had
2:01:31such a hard time reading it was almost
2:01:33like to me like deciphering a puzzle I
2:01:34almost enjoyed it like like solving like
2:01:37a little mini five-by-five word word
2:01:39game was a lesbian she she sacrificed
2:01:42her privacy to try to help people and
2:01:44then incredibly noble she used to for
2:01:47those who don't have her tweets should
2:01:48substitute at like every emoji possible
2:01:52including like the word combination once
2:01:54I Cairo or tweets are like this weird
2:01:56mishmash of frozen emoji yet incredibly
2:02:00forthright though
2:02:02yeah well happy new year to you happy
2:02:05new year holidays
2:02:06thank you for doing this thanks it's
2:02:08become a mini tradition to do the year
2:02:09in review with you
2:02:10okay i love it every year
2:02:13well I'll see you soon I hope absolutely
2:02:16alright thank you and thanks