The Talk Show

177: ‘Surface Curious’, With Special Guest Rene Ritchie

 

  alright i'll forgive you for cheating [TS]

  how you feeling you feel better you [TS]

  still get more excited now I feel [TS]

  terrible that I invited John the show [TS]

  no I'm doing really good it's one of [TS]

  those things where like I want someone [TS]

  who's only really sick at night and like [TS]

  late at night like nine o'clock i feel [TS]

  horrible but you know what's the damn [TS]

  fine i'm using of the remaining hours of [TS]

  you [TS]

  not a lot of fun alright well we'll try [TS]

  to hurry up [TS]

  no not at all what you want to start [TS]

  with you want to do the interview stuff [TS]

  do you want no I think we should i save [TS]

  let's save that ok let's do this let's [TS]

  talk about a topical new stuff that [TS]

  apple and finally publishing AI yeah [TS]

  there's that was that was that's you [TS]

  know they said they were going to do it [TS]

  and now they've done it so it's you know [TS]

  in some ways it's you know Apple does [TS]

  what they said they were going to do so [TS]

  it's not that big a deal but it's you [TS]

  know it's another step in the new Apple [TS]

  the open apple right absolutely and what [TS]

  was hilarious to me is that we talked [TS]

  about this on on the talk show [TS]

  previously was google got up at i/o and [TS]

  instead of showing off a lot of cool [TS]

  stuff that they're doing with AI they [TS]

  basically reintroduced sequential [TS]

  inference from Cirie from 2010 and [TS]

  everyone just lost their shit and said [TS]

  you know apples way behind and apples [TS]

  been doing this stuff since before [TS]

  Series and they've been doing all sorts [TS]

  of different machine learning and it and [TS]

  he's never spoke about it and now [TS]

  they're sort of has become table stakes [TS]

  and Wall Street and everyone's judging [TS]

  you based on your apron AI performance [TS]

  so they have to get out of the story [TS]

  sequential inferences when you do [TS]

  something like haste well hey dingus [TS]

  what what's the Dallas Cowboys record [TS]

  and then Syria will answer we can tell [TS]

  you that there are 13 into and then you [TS]

  say when do they play next [TS]

  yeah and Cirie you know I don't know if [TS]

  that I don't know if that particular [TS]

  example works but sequentially in front [TS]

  it what we call it sequential equation [TS]

  inference the current is when in other [TS]

  words the sequential query Siri can [TS]

  infer what I mean when I say they yeah [TS]

  like this last example is what's the [TS]

  capital of Germany and it'll say Berlin [TS]

  you say what's the population you want [TS]

  to say Berlin again because it remembers [TS]

  what you're talking about right which is [TS]

  something that you don't it [TS]

  the reason I don't even know I'm not at [TS]

  whenever one amount of AI researcher [TS]

  number two [TS]

  the reason that most people don't know [TS]

  the term sequential inference is because [TS]

  it comes naturally to human beings it's [TS]

  called having a conversation [TS]

  yeah absolutely right it's all part of [TS]

  their natural language you no matter [TS]

  whatever magic that they've got going on [TS]

  right there's all sorts of things that [TS]

  will say even in this conversation on [TS]

  the show that taken out of context as an [TS]

  individual sentence somebody would say I [TS]

  don't know what the hell they're talking [TS]

  about but it makes perfect sense in the [TS]

  midst of a conversation and that's a [TS]

  very tricky AI problem [TS]

  yeah and you know it go again there was [TS]

  all this conversation about right now a [TS]

  people are saying amazon is far away [TS]

  ahead in terms of natural language [TS]

  invoice assistance and we saw the story [TS]

  about when hotels installing alexa in [TS]

  all of you know the win and in encore [TS]

  encore and yet to some extent because [TS]

  but I think it's also greatly inflated [TS]

  by how much American tech point is [TS]

  really love amazon because outside of [TS]

  the US and the UK and now Germany's in [TS]

  September it [TS]

  amazon has absolutely no presence [TS]

  meanwhile Apple and Google are doing [TS]

  multilanguage and Ellie sometimes [TS]

  multilingual where you can switch from [TS]

  one language to another during a [TS]

  conversation which is super important in [TS]

  some countries like Europe even in [TS]

  montreal and so everyone is sort of a [TS]

  head in different areas when you [TS]

  normalize it its it's super interesting [TS]

  area [TS]

  yeah so we get segue right into the [TS]

  story about the wind encore [TS]

  yeah it's pretty interesting [TS]

  so the basic to miss anything on the [TS]

  other story the it was mostly was [TS]

  basically computer vision where they [TS]

  were trying to train its super hard to [TS]

  get right you all the time being and [TS]

  annotate images because you have to go [TS]

  to the image and tell the computer [TS]

  everything is so they're trying to use [TS]

  simulated images to identify enough that [TS]

  they can start applying what's in the [TS]

  start figuring out what's in the natural [TS]

  images right but as i wrote i think i [TS]

  don't know i guess i agree with myself [TS]

  but the bigger news is not it [TS]

  whatever the details of this particular [TS]

  paper it's that Apple's AI researchers [TS]

  are in fact publishing papers at all [TS]

  guys apple is a very secretive company i [TS]

  don't know if you knew that and they [TS]

  traditionally keep what they're working [TS]

  on to themselves until they have a [TS]

  product [TS]

  and even when the product comes out they [TS]

  don't really explain a lot often don't [TS]

  explain how it works they just put it [TS]

  out for people to enjoy [TS]

  yeah that seems to have changed [TS]

  radically like right around the wdc when [TS]

  they started talking about computer [TS]

  vision and machine learning on stage and [TS]

  then tim cook made comments about how [TS]

  they're using artificial intelligence to [TS]

  increase battery life and apples one of [TS]

  the few companies that makes their own [TS]

  look like Samsung make some silicon but [TS]

  they don't use it and all their phones [TS]

  apple does so they can put stuff in the [TS]

  chip that does a lot of the stuff that [TS]

  you know other companies have to do in [TS]

  the software layer and they've they're [TS]

  deeply invested in all this technology [TS]

  yeah there when it was a presentation [TS]

  recently that Apple AI researcher gave [TS]

  it i think it was actually where the [TS]

  news came out that they're going to [TS]

  start publishing and I know that this [TS]

  this particular thing on the image [TS]

  recognition was part of the talk that [TS]

  was given and they were talking about [TS]

  like that the custom set of images that [TS]

  they have that's apparently way bigger [TS]

  than then like the standard one that's [TS]

  there's like an open-source one I don't [TS]

  know if it's actually open source but [TS]

  effectively open that researchers can [TS]

  use an apple has like their own [TS]

  proprietary set of i don't know how many [TS]

  million images but the big story is the [TS]

  bigger story is that Apple's publishing [TS]

  it at all because that the and I think [TS]

  this is true i think it's a very simple [TS]

  story which is that in the AI community [TS]

  it's a very it academic community and [TS]

  much like the university world [TS]

  publishing is it is how you get ahead [TS]

  professionally and so to take a job as [TS]

  an AI researcher at a company where [TS]

  you're not allowed to publish anything [TS]

  is is sort of a dead-end career wise so [TS]

  you you know you you could maybe throw [TS]

  money at the problem but at a certain [TS]

  part it you know for a lot of these [TS]

  professionals you know their career is [TS]

  more important than their salary they're [TS]

  not in it for them getting I mean he's [TS]

  nice i'm sure that you know apples are [TS]

  researchers are not compensated very [TS]

  well you know compared to like the [TS]

  median income of the average citizen in [TS]

  the United States but it's just more to [TS]

  it than that if you're if you're really [TS]

  are looking to cultivate a decades-long [TS]

  career publishing is fundamental to it [TS]

  and apparently apple had a notorious [TS]

  reputation that it you know like a [TS]

  conferences and stuff like that that AI [TS]

  researchers [TS]

  just it just wasn't a place that you go [TS]

  because you know you can't publish yeah [TS]

  and then was similar this year security [TS]

  I mean for years Applewood just swallow [TS]

  up people who are experts at algorithms [TS]

  or you know some of some form of [TS]

  advanced computing or product category [TS]

  that they wanted to do and they would go [TS]

  into a black hole and you never hear [TS]

  about them again and this year they're [TS]

  very slowly started letting Apple people [TS]

  presentable prep present even Christic [TS]

  presented at black hat this year for the [TS]

  first time and I have these papers being [TS]

  published and it is becoming table [TS]

  stakes to acquiring and retaining the [TS]

  best talent and if Apple can't or won't [TS]

  offer that as an option of the companies [TS]

  will so I think it's become a [TS]

  competitive area that the after lent [TS]

  yeah actually it wasn't the first time [TS]

  Apple presented at black hat they [TS]

  presented along behind ago and it was a [TS]

  widely hand talk because it was so empty [TS]

  it was sort of what you think like a [TS]

  secretive company would give it's like [TS]

  you know it it was sort of like an empty [TS]

  presentation now years later maybe like [TS]

  10 years later the presentation this [TS]

  year was a lot of people because of the [TS]

  last 1i I saw a lot of coverage over [TS]

  from black hat attendees they like [TS]

  rolled their eyes and they're like yeah [TS]

  some and then it ended up being a very [TS]

  very serious you know informative talk [TS]

  yeah absolutely and again like that's [TS]

  what you want for the top people in in [TS]

  the respective fields especially if it [TS]

  is something is new and exciting as AI [TS]

  which a lot of people think is going to [TS]

  be the next big chapters and computing [TS]

  yes [TS]

  so speaking of AI what in the news this [TS]

  week was this announcement you referred [TS]

  to that the wynn and encore in las vegas [TS]

  nevada are going to equip all over their [TS]

  rooms like about 4,800 rooms between the [TS]

  two with a an Amazon echo when an encore [TS]

  is sort of one big resort there's you [TS]

  know you can go between the one and the [TS]

  other without ever stepping outside [TS]

  there's like a shopping mall between the [TS]

  two so it's sort of really it's more [TS]

  like one property it's just too [TS]

  different towers and and slightly [TS]

  different themes between the two [TS]

  it's a lot 4800 is like a lot of rooms [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  and i think it's interesting like my [TS]

  take on it is that we you know there's a [TS]

  lot of talk that a it's early days of [TS]

  this voice driven AI stuff [TS]

  nobody's too late to the game like the [TS]

  fact that apple doesn't have a [TS]

  standalone speaker type thing like the [TS]

  Google home and the Amazon echo doesn't [TS]

  mean that they're too late you know [TS]

  because it's so early it's sort of like [TS]

  how maybe you know with smartphones in [TS]

  2004-2005 the fact that Apple didn't [TS]

  have one was didn't mean they were too [TS]

  late obviously in hindsight and that the [TS]

  situation might be similar to that with [TS]

  voice but you know 4800 5,000 of them in [TS]

  a hotel here 5,000 a hotel there and all [TS]

  of a sudden it's you know you can have a [TS]

  pretty entrenched market leader because [TS]

  it's also the sort of thing that like in [TS]

  a a hotel room is not going to get [TS]

  replaced every year or every two years I [TS]

  like like a cell phone is yeah no [TS]

  totally anything again it's one of those [TS]

  things that really depends on your point [TS]

  of view because some people will look at [TS]

  the Amazon echo or now the google home [TS]

  and say that Apple is super far behind [TS]

  because they don't have a home hub where [TS]

  with amazon if you have the Amazon echo [TS]

  or the dot and you leave the house and [TS]

  then realize something's wrong you can't [TS]

  just yell and and change whatever is on [TS]

  that device it were with Syria it's it's [TS]

  super portable across a ride ray a wide [TS]

  range of different devices and Google's [TS]

  assistant it can be in the home that can [TS]

  be on the phone it's in all of those [TS]

  areas and again amazon echo only [TS]

  functions in i think two languages now [TS]

  in three countries compared to multiple [TS]

  languages including Chinese and Hebrew [TS]

  or something like Siri so you can look [TS]

  at and say Amazon is super far behind [TS]

  because they don't have multilingual [TS]

  they don't have multi-device they don't [TS]

  do not mobile and portable an assistant [TS]

  that's not with you all the time it's [TS]

  not a very good assistant at all so it [TS]

  with all the stuff is very perspective [TS]

  based but i think this is sort of the [TS]

  exciting period where everything's being [TS]

  figured out and the winner is a huge [TS]

  huge win for amazon but again like we [TS]

  for me it's like what is what is the [TS]

  implication of all this is a dumb [TS]

  terminal it's gonna just parts voice [TS]

  commands and do a certain subset of [TS]

  features or there was a storing the [TS]

  information today about a court subpoena [TS]

  amazon records in a murder trial and I'm [TS]

  gonna have to worry about everything i [TS]

  say in a hotel room from now on you have [TS]

  I just was about to mention that [TS]

  well and I got even wrote you know a [TS]

  it's in any hotel room I think that a [TS]

  reasonable it's reasonable for somebody [TS]

  to to have privacy concerns about and [TS]

  always listening electronic device [TS]

  whether you're committing a crime or not [TS]

  and in vegas in particular there might [TS]

  be you know there might be more concerns [TS]

  than in other cities [TS]

  I don't think that's I don't think [TS]

  that's unreasonable in the least bit so [TS]

  I'm why I'm curious and a practical [TS]

  level what the wynn and encore will do [TS]

  if some guest is checking in and says I [TS]

  don't want that [TS]

  yeah one reminds me of that the citizens [TS]

  for the domestic the the movie they [TS]

  don't documentary about Edward Snowden [TS]

  and all these all these companies have [TS]

  technology like they say parse the voice [TS]

  locally until you say the command phrase [TS]

  and then they engage the network so it's [TS]

  not as if everything you're saying [TS]

  stream to amazon but we don't know if [TS]

  that can change and we don't know if [TS]

  someone can order that to be changed so [TS]

  sorta like whenever someone sees that's [TS]

  phone he starts taking it apart and the [TS]

  reporter says but that phone's not on he [TS]

  goes haha you know is if that's the most [TS]

  naive question in the world right and [TS]

  you have to deal with [TS]

  yes i understand that amazon says where [TS]

  the technology is built this way I don't [TS]

  know who flipped a switch or force them [TS]

  to flip a switch and I i can't [TS]

  understand the state of this device [TS]

  therefore my only option is to [TS]

  disassemble it right and I you know a I [TS]

  i have the echo downstairs and and by [TS]

  default you know it's very very simply [TS]

  just plug it in you can unplug if you [TS]

  unplug it i'm pretty sure you're good [TS]

  because there's no battery in it and [TS]

  when you address it it with the the you [TS]

  know whatever your catchphrase is I [TS]

  think you have the choice with that with [TS]

  the guy i use what i use alexa i think i [TS]

  think you cannot forget what else you [TS]

  can call it you can call it like echo or [TS]

  something I don't know what I call it [TS]

  Alexa and then when Alexis starts [TS]

  listening there's a blue ring that [TS]

  lights up so you know [TS]

  ok now it's it's listening but it's [TS]

  always listening because otherwise i [TS]

  would hear alexa yeah they just they [TS]

  claim that is locally listening only [TS]

  until here's the phrase and then enables [TS]

  never function but again in a postmodern [TS]

  world [TS]

  I don't want to make any of these [TS]

  assumptions anymore right and [TS]

  who is to say whether it a court order [TS]

  could force them to secretly I mean [TS]

  again it sounds like paranoid stuff like [TS]

  if you told me I'd be talking about this [TS]

  10 years ago to thought I was not but I [TS]

  mean this stuff you know this stuff has [TS]

  come to pass that these you know you get [TS]

  these don't forget what they're called [TS]

  the court order that in addition to [TS]

  having to comply with it you're also not [TS]

  allowed to talk about it or to inform I [TS]

  got your customer their security letters [TS]

  right national security letters like [TS]

  who's to say that they can't come to [TS]

  amazon and either force them to to make [TS]

  it listen without having the blue light [TS]

  light up or similar to the the the apple [TS]

  case from earlier this year you know [TS]

  like what if the FBI has or you know [TS]

  whoever else law enforcement they have [TS]

  their own team of hackers who have a [TS]

  patch you know like you don't even after [TS]

  1 i'm going to make you write it which [TS]

  all we want we just want to force this [TS]

  patch on to this guy's echo or in a [TS]

  state or a hacker just goes into the [TS]

  assembly line or sort of themselves into [TS]

  the source code you know they just [TS]

  hiding amongst the other programmers [TS]

  it's right if you don't bring the device [TS]

  into the room you conscious level can [TS]

  never be a hundred percent about that [TS]

  device right so it's yeah exactly [TS]

  especially going to how to hotel removes [TS]

  to say that the device hasn't been [TS]

  riddled with by if somebody you know not [TS]

  even even if you trust the win-win [TS]

  corporation completely who's to say that [TS]

  a previous guests hasn't been taught me [TS]

  their jobs where if your devices are [TS]

  ever out of your sight you just have to [TS]

  walk away you can never pick them up or [TS]

  touch them again and you know the [TS]

  vaguest idea where they're going to have [TS]

  guests like that I wonder how they're [TS]

  gonna talk about the same level who's to [TS]

  say that I mean if you're going to say [TS]

  that there's the malfeasance who are [TS]

  going to come in and act the echo in the [TS]

  room who's to say that they didn't go in [TS]

  and and plant the bug that just an old [TS]

  fashion bug underneath the bed or [TS]

  somewhere else for a housekeeping [TS]

  absolutely spotted so I mean it's not [TS]

  it's not like it's entirely new but why [TS]

  would they did why would the wind to [TS]

  this I've stated the win several times [TS]

  where by several I mean many we stay [TS]

  there every CS I if I went there for CES [TS]

  i would definitely stay at the win [TS]

  I would do if I ever go to see yes and [TS]

  it's a perennial topic on the top and [TS]

  I'm not going this year and this year it [TS]

  was impossible for [TS]

  for personal reasons here i've got i [TS]

  cannot be away in early January but I [TS]

  every year I say boy one of these years [TS]

  I'd like to go to see yes just because [TS]

  not because I think it'd be great I [TS]

  think I i think for all the reasons that [TS]

  people in the press complain about it [TS]

  would be bad but i think it's something [TS]

  to see [TS]

  and I don't think it's gonna last [TS]

  forever and so I kind of want to see it [TS]

  while it is still a thing but anyway i [TS]

  would state win for sure because it's my [TS]

  it's my favorite place in vegas and B [TS]

  it's reasonably walkable to yeah to both [TS]

  the convention center which is a bit of [TS]

  a hike from the win and it's right next [TS]

  door to the sands convention center [TS]

  which is next which is part of the [TS]

  venetian where there's a whole bunch of [TS]

  other stuff I you didn't fit so close to [TS]

  the venetian that you'd be nuts to take [TS]

  a cab [TS]

  you did yeah absolutely you do you take [TS]

  your 20 minutes longer than it would [TS]

  take a walk so the annex more hotels [TS]

  every year so one day I'll just be in [TS]

  the in the wind [TS]

  haha i doubt it i don't think the wind [TS]

  would I think the wind would turn it [TS]

  turn the business down now honestly I [TS]

  know they don't want the riffraff [TS]

  but anyway I've been there many times [TS]

  and they actually recently i think [TS]

  within the last year i think only the [TS]

  last time i was there did they have the [TS]

  new setup but they replaced [TS]

  there should be a console next to one [TS]

  side of the bed that would control the [TS]

  drapes what they call the shears [TS]

  so you like let light in but have you [TS]

  know like sheer things that nobody could [TS]

  see through the window and the various [TS]

  lights in the room so you control the [TS]

  lights to control the drapes in this [TS]

  year's with this touch thing they [TS]

  recently replaced them with a sort of [TS]

  new one that still looks sort of a tease [TS]

  ish it looks like really high-end [TS]

  consumer electronics from the eighties I [TS]

  can't help but think that maybe that's [TS]

  part of how this is possible that they [TS]

  got these new ones that are more at [TS]

  least sort of computerized rather than [TS]

  purely electronic so that Alexa you know [TS]

  that they can write some kind of custom [TS]

  app to to have it happen and you know [TS]

  the wind is supposed to be you know the [TS]

  nicest place in town i think it is the [TS]

  nicest place a high-end hotel it's sort [TS]

  of annoying if you think about it if [TS]

  you're in bed with another person that [TS]

  only one of you has those controls on [TS]

  their side you know yeah give us our [TS]

  spot right it's you know [TS]

  like for us it's it's not like an [TS]

  argument over you know we always with me [TS]

  and Amy its I always sleep on the left [TS]

  she on the right i mean this is I don't [TS]

  know she's 20-something years and it's [TS]

  that set in stone but like a lot of [TS]

  hotels it's like when you stay there [TS]

  it's like every other room is every [TS]

  other side he and so it's like a fifty [TS]

  percent chance who's got the the thing [TS]

  so just being able to address Alexa and [TS]

  say hey open the drapes is Debbie way [TS]

  nicer than being there will be ten times [TS]

  nicer and plus honestly the buttons [TS]

  don't even work half the time you touch [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah so I think it'd be great and with [TS]

  the lights and stuff like that it every [TS]

  time you go to any hotel I mean like I [TS]

  stay at the wynn you know at least once [TS]

  a year and I still get confused over [TS]

  which lights control which which buttons [TS]

  control which light so the credit mean I [TS]

  was I made alexa very open platform and [TS]

  it seems you know I'm not a developer [TS]

  but it seems relatively easy to sort of [TS]

  add these these automation these [TS]

  customizations to it and they've got a [TS]

  lot of your home recipes formulas or [TS]

  what the nomenclature is but it sort of [TS]

  add these control points to them for [TS]

  different features and services [TS]

  yeah but here's what's weird and i have [TS]

  a friend hunter who has a a great app if [TS]

  you ever go to vegas vegas mate just [TS]

  it's just sort of like a and you know [TS]

  like a tour guide type thing like and [TS]

  you can just plug in a is news so you [TS]

  can find out what's going on in vegas if [TS]

  there's anything new going on so there's [TS]

  lots of news and how to get between [TS]

  places and stuff like that anyway it's a [TS]

  great app go check it out if you're in [TS]

  vegas vegas app Vegas mate he pointed [TS]

  out immediately after i p3 daring [TS]

  fireball eep eep quite you know pointed [TS]

  out immediately the the wind [TS]

  corporations biggest investments by far [TS]

  are in vegas there and McHale they [TS]

  actually have liked to two separate [TS]

  resorts in Macau I don't really [TS]

  understand the layout of mikkel quite [TS]

  but there's like a waterway between the [TS]

  two parts of town and there's resorts on [TS]

  both sides and wind has one on each side [TS]

  so it's way bigger its way its way the [TS]

  casino revenues way bigger over there [TS]

  they obviously aren't going to equip [TS]

  those rooms with the election because [TS]

  like you pointed out they don't speak [TS]

  don't speak Chinese yet I ya know [TS]

  cantonese in Portuguese meanderings they [TS]

  don't even officially support locations [TS]

  in English outside the united states [TS]

  I mean you can get it to work and I know [TS]

  people have complained of you know when [TS]

  I pointed this out people in other [TS]

  countries as well I have one just [TS]

  cheating have ever but you can't do [TS]

  things like at the weather because you [TS]

  have to give it like a you zip code and [TS]

  one of the country's they do support so [TS]

  you know you can set it up and use it if [TS]

  you live in taipei like Ben Thompson but [TS]

  it you know give him the weather from [TS]

  Madison Wisconsin yeah yeah and some [TS]

  people say it's trivial for them to roll [TS]

  out additional languages and dialects [TS]

  you know baby but that's years and years [TS]

  of work that Apple and Google put in the [TS]

  Amazon was invested in something else in [TS]

  the opportunity cost is huge so yeah [TS]

  they anything could be trivial given [TS]

  enough money and I'm a capable of [TS]

  anything in AI being called trivial sure [TS]

  you know ship it and let's see [TS]

  absolutely no totally agreed and again [TS]

  things like the multi-language what they [TS]

  started doing on apple TV where you can [TS]

  ask for a movie in French with the title [TS]

  in English mean it just understanding [TS]

  that problem set of windows one language [TS]

  start when does one begin when does it [TS]

  end again [TS]

  what's the time you know what those are [TS]

  all non trivial problems yeah i'm [TS]

  curious to how they're going to do it [TS]

  like presumably it they're not going to [TS]

  have you would use your my own amazon ID [TS]

  I don't think you would need it though [TS]

  like there's no you know they'll just [TS]

  pay some amazon some sort of group rate [TS]

  massive group rate for access to Amazon [TS]

  music so that you can tell you're LexA [TS]

  to play music and you don't you know [TS]

  it's not going to tell you to login or [TS]

  whatever i'm just curious that existed [TS]

  seems you know because it is prepared [TS]

  sold as a personal device i'm curious [TS]

  how it will work as sort of an [TS]

  institutional device was one of things i [TS]

  heard about a potential Apple home hub [TS]

  is that one of the things that needed to [TS]

  be solved for was a multi personal [TS]

  theory because if the say for example [TS]

  you have one at home and you say what's [TS]

  my one of my messages to play your [TS]

  messages [TS]

  Amy's messages Jonas is medicated [TS]

  solving those problems are also [TS]

  non-trivial that way if you want to have [TS]

  the deep level of integration and the [TS]

  full range of services that something [TS]

  like Siri offers so you know you can do [TS]

  rudimentary account switching like they [TS]

  do an apple TV right now but that's [TS]

  that's not a full feet [TS]

  your product and make it making a multi [TS]

  personal Siri is I think he do what they [TS]

  want to do in the living room is playing [TS]

  why it's taking a little bit long but [TS]

  it's also interesting because when you [TS]

  look at Amazon's businesses like you [TS]

  said in Macau it's not clear to me that [TS]

  amazon has not much of a roadmap in [TS]

  China they have established internet [TS]

  companies and retailers in China to [TS]

  begin with where you know maybe apple or [TS]

  maybe google have a better story to tell [TS]

  their and if you don't have something [TS]

  that can truly scale internationally at [TS]

  this can go with you when you travel [TS]

  like I'm I'm in London right now and I [TS]

  need my assistant and where is it or I'm [TS]

  in Germany today or I'm you know I'm in [TS]

  Spain i'm in northern Africa all those [TS]

  things are are necessary until they are [TS]

  and I think that's why it's it was a [TS]

  better decision to sort of scale a [TS]

  little bit internationally before i [TS]

  started going deeper in terms of api's [TS]

  and things like that [TS]

  yeah yeah so I'm curious we know where [TS]

  it's going to go but clearly the end [TS]

  solution it needs to be I mean where we [TS]

  are in some ways early so early days I [TS]

  don't care what anybody says because [TS]

  clearly where this is going to go and [TS]

  somebody will get there it's it's [TS]

  inevitable and I think you know it'll be [TS]

  sooner than later is truly a personal [TS]

  assistant quality conversation where you [TS]

  never have any question that the [TS]

  sequential and Front in France is going [TS]

  to work and that things that you think [TS]

  everything you think that your assistant [TS]

  could do for you [TS]

  they definitely can do so if you say get [TS]

  us a reservation at the palm at nine [TS]

  o'clock tomorrow night it's going to [TS]

  know that you mean the palm in Vegas you [TS]

  know i'm saying if you're in a hotel in [TS]

  Vegas it you know it knows that it's not [TS]

  going to ask you what city it and it's [TS]

  going to make the res either make the [TS]

  reservation or tell you that you can't [TS]

  because there's no you know no times [TS]

  available you can have 93 with 930 work [TS]

  for you [TS]

  yes that's fine and then you get the 930 [TS]

  risk everything you think you know [TS]

  anything you could communicate with the [TS]

  human you should be able to do with [TS]

  these and in the same way that if you [TS]

  and I were working in a shared office [TS]

  together that I could say what are my [TS]

  messages and you could say what are my [TS]

  messages [TS]

  and that it's gonna know who we are you [TS]

  know it's going to be able to tell the [TS]

  in the same way that a human is never [TS]

  going to be confused over my voice in [TS]

  your voice [TS]

  neither is is that the personal [TS]

  assistant [TS]

  yes once before but I knew what has an [TS]

  office in montreal and went there for [TS]

  one of their demos and they were showing [TS]

  technology like that is super it was [TS]

  about two years ago super primitive [TS]

  basically snapped your fingers twice and [TS]

  three cameras & 3 beamforming [TS]

  microphones locked in on you and they [TS]

  would isolate you from the room as he [TS]

  walked about saying things and that's [TS]

  obviously a consumer product yet right [TS]

  was one of the party and also driving [TS]

  between cities when there's no internet [TS]

  connection right now as you saw people [TS]

  comment about the airport if you lose [TS]

  internet connection the functionality of [TS]

  a lot of these virtual assistants goes [TS]

  away because they're still incredibly [TS]

  server-based there's all these problems [TS]

  that they're solving for and it could be [TS]

  like that movie her versatility Hansen [TS]

  is in your ear pods right i don't know [TS]

  if you saw it or not but there is that [TS]

  video that I still don't know if it's a [TS]

  real product or not but it was that [TS]

  Japanese Zuma hikari virtual assistant [TS]

  where was like a little animated person [TS]

  in a in a display case that was in your [TS]

  house talking to you as your friend so [TS]

  you were not lonely and would follow you [TS]

  to your phone into your computer [TS]

  throughout your day and then get your go [TS]

  get your house ready for you when you [TS]

  came back at night it's cause I creepy [TS]

  but it's sort of stuff people are [TS]

  working on i just realized i think i'd [TS]

  like two or three episodes of the show [TS]

  and I've I keep passing this forward and [TS]

  my show notes from one show to another [TS]

  follow-up on Mario run by forget what it [TS]

  was to show those two shows ago where we [TS]

  were saying that you if you don't log [TS]

  into a nintendo account you have to pay [TS]

  again to get it and that's not true it [TS]

  ends up you know you you you can just [TS]

  restore the purchase on the same ID you [TS]

  don't have to have a nintendo account [TS]

  you can put it on your iPad and your [TS]

  phone but one of the things that they do [TS]

  do is you can only run one at a time / [TS]

  Apple ID so if you buy it on your iPad [TS]

  and you buy and you it and then you [TS]

  install it on your iphone it and [TS]

  somebody's playing it on your iPad you [TS]

  can't play it on your iphone that's one [TS]

  that's part of the reason that they [TS]

  require always-on internet at checking [TS]

  our access is that they're checking for [TS]

  things like that [TS]

  yeah i think in their perfect world [TS]

  you'd have to pay for every instance [TS]

  that you run the talk show the show [TS]

  where we do follow-up [TS]

  halfway into the show yep yeah you know [TS]

  what else is all about Mario run before [TS]

  we break for the first time is that it [TS]

  is falling off the top-selling falling [TS]

  down the top the top-grossing list [TS]

  around the world still on it but it's [TS]

  now back [TS]

  things have been order has been restored [TS]

  and clash royale or whatever the hell it [TS]

  is here back to being the top grossing [TS]

  app yes clock clash Royale pokemon go [TS]

  clash of clans mobile strike game of war [TS]

  madden NFL and then at number seven here [TS]

  in aus at least Super Mario run that go [TS]

  inside purchase and compete with [TS]

  consumables consumables the people are [TS]

  buying all the time right that in these [TS]

  games that people are truly addicted to [TS]

  candy crush all the way down number ten [TS]

  i saw someone playing that on and I I [TS]

  12.9 inch iPad pro my last plane trip [TS]

  respect i love the thing I love is that [TS]

  minecraft is still at number 11 on top [TS]

  grossing and it's still--it's you firmly [TS]

  entrenched number one on top paid and [TS]

  that's coming out Stevie it's seven [TS]

  bucks you just pay seven bucks up front [TS]

  there is no demo you pay seven bucks you [TS]

  get minecraft on your iOS device and [TS]

  they're doing so it's the only the only [TS]

  map making money with that the [TS]

  old-fashioned pay for the app model I [TS]

  mean effectively that's what Mario is [TS]

  but it's you know no I think in [TS]

  hindsight they would have been better [TS]

  with a minecraft model it just because [TS]

  their brand is as good as mine craft [TS]

  people know what minecraft is and they [TS]

  want it and again the apple TV version [TS]

  just came out and people wanted that too [TS]

  and they would have just wanted Mary are [TS]

  Mario what if you had to pay right i [TS]

  would love to run that alternate [TS]

  universe where all right so let's take [TS]

  the price down right if you have to pay [TS]

  so instead of nine night you know play [TS]

  three levels and then pay 99 [TS]

  what if they just matched minecraft [TS]

  price and sold Mario run for 699 yeah [TS]

  it'll get you get in if you if you don't [TS]

  pay 699 you get nothing and like it [TS]

  yep and you can't leave bad reviews [TS]

  about how she write charged and and it [TS]

  no bad dreams about yep and if anybody [TS]

  could have pulled it off [TS]

  it's a nintendo I I can't help but think [TS]

  they have made more money I really do [TS]

  yeah i think that one of the few people [TS]

  like Minecraft you would absolutely have [TS]

  the just a recognition to do it right i [TS]

  mean when you get the good faith you can [TS]

  do it with your next game and so on [TS]

  right or maybe split I do and I salute [TS]

  them and I don't want to complain I [TS]

  salute them for not even going near the [TS]

  radioactive pile of dog shit that you [TS]

  know buying paying a dollar here and [TS]

  there for extra coins and you have to [TS]

  watch a video before you can do the next [TS]

  level or pay your way out that these [TS]

  other games do i salute Nintendo for not [TS]

  doing i'm not surprised i think that [TS]

  would be poisonous absolute poison to [TS]

  their brand but it's obviously that's [TS]

  the path to make money you know the most [TS]

  money on the app store I salute them for [TS]

  not doing it but I can't help but think [TS]

  that they could have made money with [TS]

  paid upfront for less than 999 and maybe [TS]

  one other in-app purchase in the you [TS]

  know some way to something else that was [TS]

  cut off that you'd have to pay another [TS]

  you know maybe five dollars for the game [TS]

  in five four the rest something like [TS]

  that yeah [TS]

  were you one of the different games that [TS]

  comes built into it like the toad rally [TS]

  or so right like maybe you get to play [TS]

  599 you get to play all the regular [TS]

  levels and for another 5 99 you get to [TS]

  play the toad rally and they will give [TS]

  you a taste of Toad rally like they did [TS]

  with the taste of the levels like you [TS]

  get like three toed rallies before you [TS]

  have to pay another 5 99 and then you're [TS]

  a native 499 and then you're done you're [TS]

  inferred you know not ten bucks and you [TS]

  got the whole game [TS]

  I think they have made more money and I [TS]

  think we're getting a better experience [TS]

  they wouldn't have the same problem we [TS]

  had with bad reviews and it would have [TS]

  wouldn't I mean way better than I think [TS]

  the review i'm gonna be a five star game [TS]

  i really do I great because people who [TS]

  would buy pay that much money are the [TS]

  super fans and they would have a much [TS]

  easier bowls in the beginning it's the [TS]

  first action game for iOS that I've [TS]

  played ever i think that I've stuck with [TS]

  imap like canabalt a little bit how sisk [TS]

  catalog that cannonball is like 90 [TS]

  seconds and yeah I mean I best i ever [TS]

  did was like 4,000 meters or something [TS]

  like that so it's like you know and then [TS]

  once you get a good run like that you're [TS]

  like done [TS]

  yeah i mean there are games always say [TS]

  don't play games and write a play that I [TS]

  played the stickman golf a little bit i [TS]

  played the data like the desert golf [TS]

  which is sort of you play that [TS]

  yep I like the desert golfing i think [TS]

  it's i think it's sort of a it its [TS]

  artful it's it's sort of like meditative [TS]

  I letterpress in threes and a bunch of [TS]

  those puzzle game yeah letterpress yeah [TS]

  three segments into a little bit was [TS]

  real quick i appreciate the artistry of [TS]

  letterpress I had a brief obsession with [TS]

  and I was yes I hate to brag but I was [TS]

  really really good but it's it's too [TS]

  competitive [TS]

  I don't know r22 time-consuming and I [TS]

  feel guilty then when I because it's [TS]

  with other people I feel guilty when i [TS]

  drop off and leave it a good game [TS]

  hanging and I was too time-consuming to [TS]

  me so he never do in Game Center just [TS]

  did it to you you can tell they were [TS]

  playing a game center was right right [TS]

  ah but Mario boy i like that game and [TS]

  I've started replaying it I idly or not [TS]

  attended does best damn it [TS]

  and so I beat all the levels and now i'm [TS]

  going through and collecting all the [TS]

  pink coins on each level i don't think [TS]

  i'm going to keep going I don't do that [TS]

  but I can't see going after the damn [TS]

  purple ones I don't know about that i'm [TS]

  not good enough [TS]

  they just do a really good job of [TS]

  matching the game to the control [TS]

  mechanics that are available on the [TS]

  device and that with the iphone as well [TS]

  which i thought was really great [TS]

  yeah totally I it's a very very you know [TS]

  you think infinite runner add simple but [TS]

  they've it's it's pretty damn good [TS]

  I do think they messed up with the the [TS]

  pricing [TS]

  alright let's take a break all right our [TS]

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  just the right sink just the right [TS]

  balance exactly like the reason i like [TS]

  buying apple products you don't have to [TS]

  decide between 20 different types of [TS]

  phone or something like that they just [TS]

  did they give you one they figure out [TS]

  this is the hair [TS]

  there's two sizes here's one type of [TS]

  phone two sizes you're done [TS]

  that's what mattress that's what the [TS]

  mattresses from Casper like one quality [TS]

  style of mattress you just pick how big [TS]

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  don't have stores they don't have [TS]

  middleman they don't have warehouses [TS]

  around the world and stuff like that [TS]

  they can sell them direct you at a [TS]

  shockingly fair price this is such a [TS]

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  mattresses usually start at over $1,500 [TS]

  casper mattresses cost 500 for twin 754 [TS]

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  you cannot buy a king-size mattress for [TS]

  950 dollars that's a good mattress [TS]

  anywhere else you just can't can't be [TS]

  done and they're made right here in [TS]

  America I they've also made by [TS]

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  risk-free no you can't try it before you [TS]

  buy it because you're buying online but [TS]

  they have a hundred knight home trial [TS]

  get it keep it for three months and if [TS]

  you don't like it they will come and [TS]

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  they also have a new pet mattress you [TS]

  have a dog and I have that more reader [TS]

  comments or listener comments whatever [TS]

  you want to call you people listening to [TS]

  me from people who bought this thing for [TS]

  their dog that their dog loves it [TS]

  now here's the here's the deal use that [TS]

  code to talk show you say fifty bucks [TS]

  towards a mattress here's the bad news [TS]

  it only applies to human mattresses you [TS]

  the dog mattress cost less and so they [TS]

  they don't give you fifty bucks off for [TS]

  it [TS]

  I'm sorry about that but it's active a [TS]

  dog mattress and Antonia I got more [TS]

  comments from people who bought that [TS]

  than anything else so go to Casper calm [TS]

  / the talkshow use that code [TS]

  if you need a mattress I'm telling you [TS]

  that's where to go [TS]

  I never thought I'd be selling [TS]

  mattresses I really didn't one of my [TS]

  favorite sponsors just make stuff just [TS]

  it's the Casper as a father raising it [TS]

  just makes me better just digest if you [TS]

  went back and told me to 15 years ago [TS]

  that you're going to be pitching [TS]

  mattresses on like a radio show i would [TS]

  I wouldn't believe that I just don't I [TS]

  didn't I didn't see it I wouldn't have [TS]

  seen the path from where I was to to [TS]

  where i am at this moment and where the [TS]

  blackboard using one for like three [TS]

  years and i still love it [TS]

  yeah it's a great mattress mattress and [TS]

  tell you it's not just being lazy you [TS]

  know if I think if anybody out there [TS]

  thanks dad for lazy people don't want to [TS]

  go to mattress store now it's a better [TS]

  way to pick a great mattress [TS]

  yeah and what you tell me i'm going to [TS]

  say good matches are really hard to find [TS]

  because we know after you've had a bunch [TS]

  of physical physiotherapy like I have [TS]

  you want something that is actually [TS]

  pretty firm because then when you relax [TS]

  it takes on your body weight and your [TS]

  body your muscles don't have to stress [TS]

  the entire night trying to support your [TS]

  own weight and this one I find is great [TS]

  because like I get a better night's [TS]

  sleep that I have on any other [TS]

  additional options i bought all right [TS]

  what else is on our agenda i have in the [TS]

  news there is Mark Germans blockbuster [TS]

  story i wasn't really but it was widely [TS]

  cited last week and Bloomberg title how [TS]

  Apple alienated Mac loyalists and had [TS]

  did have some you know as well reported [TS]

  definitely had some quotes anonymous [TS]

  how would you summarize this story [TS]

  this was this is the big story of the [TS]

  day when it came out on december twenty [TS]

  i mean mark has you've proven phenomenal [TS]

  sources but so much of this is how you [TS]

  string the pieces together and you know [TS]

  i would i would read similar information [TS]

  differently so this sort of paints a [TS]

  narrative where Apple is negligent or [TS]

  lackadaisical when it comes to [TS]

  supporting the mac and my understanding [TS]

  is more that you know what you have two [TS]

  kids you love them both one has become [TS]

  taylor swift and you have to make sure [TS]

  that you're on tour with her and the [TS]

  other one is a college student in grad [TS]

  school doing pretty great on his own [TS]

  don't really want [TS]

  hanging around all the time and you [TS]

  again you still love him but you're [TS]

  giving you the attention that they [TS]

  really need at the moment and i think [TS]

  there's an article from the same facts [TS]

  quote from the article interviews with [TS]

  people familiar with apples inner [TS]

  workings revealed that the mac is [TS]

  getting far less attention than it once [TS]

  did once did they say the mac team has [TS]

  lost cloud with the famed industrial [TS]

  design group led by jony ive in the [TS]

  companies and the company's software [TS]

  team they also describe a lack of clear [TS]

  direction from senior management [TS]

  departures of key people working on Mac [TS]

  hardware and technical challenges that [TS]

  have delayed the rollout of new [TS]

  computers [TS]

  there's a lot in that paragraph this is [TS]

  a fourth paragraph of the story but I [TS]

  feel like that's the nut paragraph and [TS]

  if you pick it apart i haven't linked to [TS]

  it because it seemed it's been Christmas [TS]

  and I've been busy and it seemed [TS]

  impossible to link to without extensive [TS]

  commentary like one packet right there's [TS]

  no way to link to it with the clip or [TS]

  the let it stand but it's a bit you know [TS]

  and I thought well it's better to do I [TS]

  could do it on it on the show in a way [TS]

  that's better you know that will take [TS]

  less time then writing about still might [TS]

  write about it but alright first [TS]

  sentence of that paragraph interviews [TS]

  with people familiar with apples and [TS]

  workings revealed that the mac is [TS]

  getting far less attention than it once [TS]

  did [TS]

  when is then it once did yeah I mean I [TS]

  used to be one product there was just [TS]

  the magnet got all the attention and now [TS]

  that it was six different products so it [TS]

  if if we're talking about like pre ipod [TS]

  apple or like pre 2004-2005 Apple of [TS]

  course the mac up more attention than [TS]

  because it was keeping the company [TS]

  afloat the mac was apple an apple was [TS]

  the mac i mean it was there was you know [TS]

  without the mac the company was [TS]

  literally there wasn't there was no [TS]

  company so of course it gets less [TS]

  attention than it does that then now it [TS]

  does he mean some other time is it is [TS]

  later the last year rite 2011 2012 [TS]

  is this a and you know it lets just [TS]

  state facts these are there are the fact [TS]

  is the mac pro is literally a relic at [TS]

  this point is a three-year-old high-end [TS]

  5,000 twenty-thousand-dollar workstation [TS]

  that literally hasn't been updated even [TS]

  minor the most minor components possible [TS]

  in three years since i got a Mac Mini is [TS]

  is a relic and for enthusiastic and the [TS]

  mac mini is one of these devices a [TS]

  device where you know obviously there's [TS]

  some people who buy it because it's a [TS]

  budget lap desktop and if you wanted by [TS]

  a third-party display or at this point [TS]

  you might be stuck by having a [TS]

  third-party display will get to that in [TS]

  a second or a discount display or if [TS]

  you've already got a display and that's [TS]

  putting a part of you know you didn't [TS]

  want to buy a desktop to hook up to [TS]

  display you already have in your cost is [TS]

  an issue mac mini is the way you go [TS]

  it's still find device for that but for [TS]

  the enthusiast and there are people who [TS]

  are you know like like you know the [TS]

  power users if you want another term who [TS]

  buy mac minis maybe not to use their [TS]

  main computer but for really super nerdy [TS]

  things you know like instead of having [TS]

  an apple TV they use a mac mini and [TS]

  install their own software and run their [TS]

  home entertainment from a pc and mac [TS]

  mini is is great for that a longtime [TS]

  sponsor the show mac mini colo there's [TS]

  people who use mac minis to to host [TS]

  websites [TS]

  it's a great little like mini rack [TS]

  server and for those people the current [TS]

  mac mini is actually worse than the [TS]

  predecessor because it's I think it's a [TS]

  dual core thing instead of a quad-core [TS]

  let's do whatever it is it's just got [TS]

  low you know internals that are less [TS]

  interesting to enthusiasts than the old [TS]

  one the iMac which is their best desktop [TS]

  and it's the one at tim cook even called [TS]

  out mentioned by name in a recent [TS]

  company Q&A [TS]

  skipped a year it still is great it's a [TS]

  great the current imac is a great great [TS]

  device but there were no updates in 2016 [TS]

  nope and apple is apparently out of the [TS]

  standalone display game they haven't [TS]

  said so officially but they certainly [TS]

  hinted as much on stage at the mac book [TS]

  pro event in october when they said they [TS]

  partnered with LG to have these LG 5k in [TS]

  4k displays that are clearly meant you [TS]

  know by default assume that they're [TS]

  being connected to a Macintosh yeah my [TS]

  understanding is they're significant [TS]

  Apple engineering resources and effort [TS]

  dedicated to those displays they just [TS]

  didn't have an apple enclosure and logo [TS]

  on the right is a notorious choice you [TS]

  know and everybody sites knee like [TS]

  Disney lies says it italic from the [TS]

  verge after his product briefing after [TS]

  the event said categorically when he [TS]

  asked that Apple said they're out of the [TS]

  display game i asked in my kids you know [TS]

  as well as the LG mean that Apple is not [TS]

  going to make a retina standalone [TS]

  display and I did not get an answer that [TS]

  was unequivocal I it the answer I got [TS]

  was something more or less it's a big [TS]

  very typical app oftentimes when you ask [TS]

  a question like that i don't think i was [TS]

  unique in this regard but they did you [TS]

  always have a prepared answer it doesn't [TS]

  they don't have to think of it on the [TS]

  spot but it's not yes or now but with [TS]

  the answer i got of does this mean [TS]

  there's not going to be an apple-branded [TS]

  retina display stand alone display the [TS]

  answer was this is what we have to talk [TS]

  about today standalone displays today [TS]

  require so much engineer it's no longer [TS]

  just a video signal going from one thing [TS]

  to another it's not just you know it's [TS]

  effectively they're like many computers [TS]

  it's almost as much work as developing a [TS]

  standalone system which apples again [TS]

  which Apple did most a lot of with LG [TS]

  and my understanding is that this is one [TS]

  of those things where they're deeply [TS]

  conflicted internally that they're [TS]

  wrestling over this and some people [TS]

  believe that Apple does not have to make [TS]

  everything anymore that they have to be [TS]

  focused and make hard choices and choose [TS]

  which parts of the chain they want to be [TS]

  involved with and other people believe [TS]

  rightly well at least in their opinions [TS]

  that be the display is your interface [TS]

  with the computer the interface is what [TS]

  the customer sees [TS]

  there's no apple logo on that then the [TS]

  customer sees LG and sort of ruins the [TS]

  effect and it ruins the benefit of the [TS]

  halo effect that Apple has been enjoying [TS]

  for all these years and if they're [TS]

  starting an LG logo for their display [TS]

  maybe it's easier to buy an LG computer [TS]

  or is easier to buy you know that maybe [TS]

  they're getting out of the router [TS]

  business easier by analogy router and [TS]

  that sort of unravels the value of the [TS]

  apple ecosystem they've been building [TS]

  yeah and it's you know I I can't put it [TS]

  better than syracuse it has repeatedly [TS]

  on ATP that it's you know he's even said [TS]

  that he's never even owned a non-apple [TS]

  display in his life [TS]

  I that's not true for me I used to have [TS]

  a viewsonic 17-inch i bought in 1998 was [TS]

  a nice display was not as nice as the [TS]

  Apple displays i bought it because I [TS]

  didn't have enough money well I did the [TS]

  money is enough difference that I died [TS]

  but the viewsonic instead it does hint [TS]

  at the idea that maybe the future of [TS]

  apple on the desktop is imac only or [TS]

  maybe I mac and mac mini but that the [TS]

  mac pro might be on the way out simply [TS]

  be a Templar statement to me was hard to [TS]

  part because he talked about how great [TS]

  the imac was and how greatest display [TS]

  was in its p 3 b's there's nothing you [TS]

  could have said about the mac pro or the [TS]

  mac mini their 13-year old their [TS]

  three-year-old computers with Haswell I [TS]

  mean it would've been completely awkward [TS]

  to mention them in any context and the [TS]

  worst part is the last iteration of both [TS]

  made them even more like computing [TS]

  appliances and an even harder for users [TS]

  stopped it on their own which made them [TS]

  dependent on apple for future updates [TS]

  then didn't income that's incredibly [TS]

  uncomfortable message to have in his [TS]

  year-end Q&A with his employees right [TS]

  it's a tough situation like you can't [TS]

  read too much into it either way except [TS]

  that there's something there are there [TS]

  only thing i could read into it it's him [TS]

  cook statement on the Q&A that I would [TS]

  say is that on it is that there is going [TS]

  to be [TS]

  straight or at least you know in [TS]

  somebody's opinion great new imacs [TS]

  coming [TS]

  um because otherwise it what he said is [TS]

  you know he's is fly right into his [TS]

  credibility and he did you know he is [TS]

  obviously got to be measured in careful [TS]

  in his words and he knows that this Q&A [TS]

  is going to leak if there's anything [TS]

  newsworthy but he's not going to you get [TS]

  no matter how cynical you want to be [TS]

  about it he's not going to say something [TS]

  that flat out going to ruin his [TS]

  credibility with his own employees so [TS]

  let's just say in the hypothetical world [TS]

  that people fear that Apple is something [TS]

  done with desktop computers period and [TS]

  that its macbooks only the rest of the [TS]

  way [TS]

  well then what he said is it in [TS]

  hindsight is going to make people think [TS]

  it's a it's just a flat-out lie and he's [TS]

  not going to do that so there's got to [TS]

  be islands coming here has too many says [TS]

  desktops plural but does that mean to [TS]

  slight impacts that mean I back and it's [TS]

  very interesting because when you when [TS]

  you actually look at the numbers Apple [TS]

  very very very very few people connect [TS]

  external displays to their max right and [TS]

  i believe the number smaller than ever [TS]

  and also very very very very fucks you [TS]

  mean 2222 a tool yet to their macbooks [TS]

  what are you saying that nice look [TS]

  obviously yeah I'm address if you've got [TS]

  a mac probably need I'm really [TS]

  absolutely output on the flip side of [TS]

  that almost nobody by again almost [TS]

  nobody buys desktop Max anymore the vast [TS]

  vast vast majority of what they sell our [TS]

  macbooks when we vote with our wallet [TS]

  we're telling them as customers that we [TS]

  care mostly and by a vast majority about [TS]

  the notebooks and that's that sort of [TS]

  thing they have to wait because they [TS]

  only have enough resources to do this or [TS]

  that and they say that most of the [TS]

  customers are buying a macbook some of [TS]

  them are buying displays to go with them [TS]

  do they start making displays they [TS]

  stopped making desktops I'd argue that [TS]

  know that they're important enough that [TS]

  they have to keep making them anyway but [TS]

  it's not like we are the numbers on our [TS]

  side for those right so if they're all [TS]

  is a new mac pro that is in the works [TS]

  and is coming [TS]

  there's no way that Tim Cook can say [TS]

  anything about it in this Q&A now [TS]

  yeah if there's not if the macbook mac [TS]

  pro is end-of-life [TS]

  he can't say anything he can't say that [TS]

  because they're still selling the old [TS]

  one [TS]

  now why are they still selling the old [TS]

  one I don't know but maybe it's you know [TS]

  they're in theory they could [TS]

  let's just say that their I there [TS]

  they're going to rethink the whole [TS]

  approach to the pro market and are going [TS]

  to do effectively an imac pro that the [TS]

  new mac pro is like the imac but it's [TS]

  you know the space gray and has higher [TS]

  end you know xeon processors or [TS]

  something at that now put aside how do [TS]

  you do that and have to deal with the [TS]

  heat dissipation that's their problem [TS]

  but maybe if that's a hypothetically [TS]

  where they're going with pro-market is [TS]

  devices you know built all-in-ones with [TS]

  Pro Performance they have to keep the [TS]

  old Mac Pro's around until those are [TS]

  ready to sell [TS]

  they can't have a gap yeah they did [TS]

  announce that life again I don't display [TS]

  yeah but that again that reason all [TS]

  these questions about what's happening [TS]

  with the product lines they probably [TS]

  want to answer right now right [TS]

  you know you still can't talk about it [TS]

  but anyways that's the first sentence of [TS]

  that paragraph essay the mac team has [TS]

  lost cloud with the famed industrial [TS]

  design group led by Johnny Ivan and the [TS]

  company's software team which is a weird [TS]

  combination i don't understand what they [TS]

  mean has lost cloud by the matter with [TS]

  that it doesn't make sense to me like [TS]

  they don't because there's no I mean [TS]

  they're armed acting like there's a mac [TS]

  marketing team but the apple doesn't [TS]

  have like I'm a Mac business unit and [TS]

  they don't have an iphone business unit [TS]

  and you know dad retail still has to [TS]

  build all these machines and Johnny icms [TS]

  to design the mall and Craig federighi [TS]

  team has to make software to run all [TS]

  them and yes those teams are highly [TS]

  focused on iphone because I don't [TS]

  absolutely have to ship every year or [TS]

  its company crushing but it there those [TS]

  people are still working on Max and care [TS]

  desperately about Max and my [TS]

  understanding is that a lot of the [TS]

  recent design meetings have been about [TS]

  Max so I again I I don't understand the [TS]

  context of all the information I don't [TS]

  know what it means to have lost cloud [TS]

  like what-what it wears what would the [TS]

  evidence of that be I mean and the only [TS]

  you know it's the only way it would make [TS]

  sense is if there are new macs ready to [TS]

  go other than having an industrial [TS]

  design [TS]

  and that Jony ive seems like now we're [TS]

  not interested [TS]

  it doesn't make any sense that's not how [TS]

  it works i mean i like to depend on [TS]

  product it's not like johnny is a dick [TS]

  the design team just is like a bunch of [TS]

  it you know [TS]

  hipster sipping coffee wearing berets [TS]

  and they just work on what they want to [TS]

  work on and I got back so boring we're [TS]

  not going to work on those were just [TS]

  gonna work on we're gonna work on the [TS]

  ice is not making your max this he'll go [TS]

  home right that's it [TS]

  I don't anymore edit there aren't it you [TS]

  know the the problem is as I said the [TS]

  fact is that there are too many of the [TS]

  max haven't been updated period it's not [TS]

  like they haven't gotten attention and [TS]

  the ones that have been updated the [TS]

  macbook I know the macbook hearted this [TS]

  year's macbook isn't a new design but it [TS]

  came out last year and this year's [TS]

  macbook pros obviously add a lot of work [TS]

  done by the industrial design team it's [TS]

  all new and closures it's in get a very [TS]

  different it's not just like the old [TS]

  ones but thinner the entire hints [TS]

  mechanism for the display is entirely [TS]

  different [TS]

  i-i've will get to this later but I've [TS]

  been messing around with older whole [TS]

  bunch of macbooks this week running [TS]

  battery tests and with a bunch of them [TS]

  open at the same time and going between [TS]

  the two and restarting test [TS]

  it's it's it's more clear than it was [TS]

  even when I reviewed the new macbook pro [TS]

  how much nicer the hinge is on the new [TS]

  one and I'll rigid they are it but like [TS]

  when you tilt it if it's already at an [TS]

  angle for sitting and then you're like [TS]

  I've been running these battery test [TS]

  well come by and update them and I don't [TS]

  even sit down and I want to tilt the [TS]

  screen just a little too so it's more of [TS]

  an angle for standing and when you do it [TS]

  on the new macbook pro the screen just [TS]

  put in a little one finger and a little [TS]

  bit of pressure and it tilts back and on [TS]

  my 2014 macbook pro i do it at first the [TS]

  whole device lifts off the table [TS]

  you know it's it's more step it's it's [TS]

  not as nice anyway that's all that's [TS]

  exactly the sort of thing that Johnny is [TS]

  famed industrial design team does is [TS]

  design and fancy new hinge that's way [TS]

  better than what was already the best [TS]

  him [TS]

  change on a professional notebook in the [TS]

  world [TS]

  totally and more rigid unibody and was [TS]

  already a very very good unibody sure [TS]

  right exactly it's entirely new keyboard [TS]

  to switch system in at 10 I I I don't [TS]

  get it [TS]

  and then there's this other half of the [TS]

  sentence in the company's software team [TS]

  i don't i don't get it next to me has [TS]

  been a and again I'm worried i do worry [TS]

  and I'm trying to begin his whole you [TS]

  know is Apple abandoning the mac or [TS]

  slowly sunsetting the mac or just you [TS]

  know ruining the mac whatever debate [TS]

  which obviously does have some [TS]

  foundation in fact the fact that the [TS]

  hardware hasn't been updated one of the [TS]

  things I like to cite I feel like it's [TS]

  it it's not proof but evidence to the [TS]

  contrary is the annual update schedule [TS]

  that mac OS has been on for the last few [TS]

  years like you know in 2007 famously the [TS]

  mac the first year the iphone the mac [TS]

  they had to put out a press release [TS]

  because they announced that the new mac [TS]

  OS gonna be ready at WWDC and they put [TS]

  out a press release that it's delayed [TS]

  five months because we had to pull so [TS]

  many engine so many engineering talent [TS]

  to work on the iphone OS as it was [TS]

  called then it there's obviously enough [TS]

  attention on a Mac now that the mac is [TS]

  on the same annual update cycle is iOS [TS]

  it's you know I don't see it and it's [TS]

  getting features and is getting [TS]

  important features like the continuity [TS]

  ones where you can use touch ID or the [TS]

  watched on lock in order to verify [TS]

  payment got serie brought over to it and [TS]

  either there is some truth Apple [TS]

  reorganizing their teams and a lot of [TS]

  those teams are iOS centric but when you [TS]

  look at mac and iOS what differentiates [TS]

  them is their input methods in their [TS]

  interface and apple is I think wisely [TS]

  consolidating a lot of the things that [TS]

  go under the covers like when you look [TS]

  at swift that's across all platforms [TS]

  Apple file system is going to go from [TS]

  Apple watch all the way to mac pro all [TS]

  the things that they're building like [TS]

  one day you know maybe app I don't how [TS]

  long Apple be around four but it might [TS]

  make sense to have sort of a UI [TS]

  framework that crosses over both [TS]

  platforms all that stuff can be made [TS]

  with one team and could benefit both [TS]

  platforms without them without you [TS]

  having to micro measure how many people [TS]

  are doing each one right and then [TS]

  there's my next argument in the Altai [TS]

  i'll argue the side of Apple as Apple is [TS]

  as still putting an awful lot of thought [TS]

  and attention in the mac is the touch [TS]

  bar which is it at a at a hardware level [TS]

  a fascinating that it's not really a [TS]

  device because it's part of the device [TS]

  but it is a fascinating piece of [TS]

  hardware that it's an iOS device it is a [TS]

  full iOS computer in an intel-based mac [TS]

  computer [TS]

  yeah I it's a computer and a computer [TS]

  which I i just love and and the computer [TS]

  in the computer is a better computer and [TS]

  more powerful computer then like the [TS]

  computers we had I don't know how many [TS]

  years ago you know but at some point my [TS]

  life a full personal computer was not as [TS]

  powerful as the touch bar we have [TS]

  absolutely it's one of the only Apple [TS]

  things because you have to have the [TS]

  ability to make a tiny embedded device [TS]

  that runs an entirely separate yet you [TS]

  know in some ways compatible operating [TS]

  system and bread Victor actually tweeted [TS]

  this i think it's it's public knowledge [TS]

  they've been working on this for up to a [TS]

  decade it's not like this is what like [TS]

  last year's had to go crap what we do [TS]

  with the mac this has been a project [TS]

  they've been working on for a very very [TS]

  long time I did not know that I do know [TS]

  though that i know several people who [TS]

  were engineers either a hardware level [TS]

  or software level or some combination of [TS]

  the two on the touch bar who are truly [TS]

  like at you know it's good confidence I [TS]

  can't say who they are but you know it [TS]

  truly some of the best engineers at the [TS]

  company people who have like seats in [TS]

  the second row at hassle events and are [TS]

  seated near you know ready to go be [TS]

  tapped to go backstage to fix demos if [TS]

  they go awry like they're one step ready [TS]

  to you know like they're like the [TS]

  emergency the demos gone bad we need you [TS]

  know we need top men to investigate [TS]

  those type of talent and that they've [TS]

  spent like the last 18 months on touch [TS]

  bar and are incredibly proud of how it [TS]

  turned out one of them like that i don't [TS]

  have the direct question for me but one [TS]

  of them said I hope this shows people [TS]

  that we still [TS]

  care about the mac because inside Apple [TS]

  it's the best proof of it possible [TS]

  combine that with the fact that on day [TS]

  one of these macs with touch bars [TS]

  shipping all of the commonly used [TS]

  consumer apps that apple makes for the [TS]

  mac had full touch bar support a lot of [TS]

  it very very thoughtful [TS]

  none of it half-assed not one of them [TS]

  even like apps like a you know like text [TS]

  edit or something like that or preview [TS]

  had thoughtful reminder right as and it [TS]

  it you know and I talked about this [TS]

  before we can get a separate [TS]

  conversation of you know this Apple is [TS]

  even fully understand the right way to [TS]

  use the touch part yet will they you [TS]

  know you know like my example is like in [TS]

  the early years of the mac like 1984-85 [TS]

  their dialogue boxes were like ok and [TS]

  cancel were stacked vertically and then [TS]

  there's others were they were horizontal [TS]

  like they just hadn't figured the [TS]

  consistency out on stuff like that and [TS]

  of course now everybody knows it goes [TS]

  cancel it and then okay to the right [TS]

  that maybe there's like touch more of [TS]

  things like that there's certain things [TS]

  that we're doing in touch parts like the [TS]

  way that Safari defaults to showing [TS]

  thumbnails of your tabs I i don't know i [TS]

  don't find that useful maybe other [TS]

  people do i I feel like four but anyway [TS]

  i scroll with a high school super faster [TS]

  windows and probably the one that I want [TS]

  really quickly without some huge huge [TS]

  family like so--you you swipe your [TS]

  finger across the brook yes because [TS]

  sometimes with tabs have to hit like you [TS]

  previously had command you got easy to [TS]

  get to each one and I just swipe now I [TS]

  see which 1i want to stop immediately [TS]

  yeah maybe that maybe im using it the [TS]

  wrong way maybe that's the way i should [TS]

  use is run my finger across instead of [TS]

  staring at it and try to poke at the [TS]

  right 1i never yet that so maybe that's [TS]

  right i don't know but anyway it to me [TS]

  the support across not just the OS but [TS]

  across their apps and in the cocoa [TS]

  frameworks for third-party developers [TS]

  like everything I've heard from [TS]

  developer friends about the touch bar [TS]

  api's is that yes these are these are [TS]

  very solid api's from written by people [TS]

  who you know who get cocoa [TS]

  I mean this is exactly what you want but [TS]

  it's a sign that Apple has top [TS]

  engineering quad talent so I just don't [TS]

  get how that jobs with the Germans they [TS]

  say the mac team has lost cloud dot dot [TS]

  with the company's software team [TS]

  I don't get another example of that is [TS]

  when you look at it the iOS device [TS]

  embedded iOS device actually controls [TS]

  the printout of the price on the display [TS]

  because they don't want and after able [TS]

  to intercept and change the price that [TS]

  you then agree to with your fingerprint [TS]

  and that again is another level of [TS]

  complexity a degree in engineering that [TS]

  they do for security sake but it's not [TS]

  trivial to implement and you stack all [TS]

  these up on top and I think because [TS]

  you're at the event with me they were [TS]

  the people at Apple we're super excited [TS]

  about this any other still feeling their [TS]

  way through the best practices for it [TS]

  but it was clear that they that they [TS]

  thought they were doing what was right [TS]

  for the platform [TS]

  yeah and another example is the way that [TS]

  the the iOS the touch bars iOS device [TS]

  has the secure Enclave which is their [TS]

  first and foremost for the touch ID but [TS]

  it's also used now to control the webcam [TS]

  on the front of the display so that the [TS]

  webcam you know is obviously that's a [TS]

  huge security thing all sorts of people [TS]

  you know people put tape over the thing [TS]

  because they're worried that they can be [TS]

  certain you know somebody can install [TS]

  software that will serve tisha sleet [TS]

  earn the camera on there's a green light [TS]

  that turns on when the cameras on people [TS]

  worry I'm again rightfully so it's not [TS]

  crazy but rightfully so with every that [TS]

  that could be overridden by the the [TS]

  malware that may not stop people the [TS]

  fact that it goes to the secure Enclave [TS]

  now may not stop people from putting [TS]

  tape over there over there camera but it [TS]

  should if they think about it could if [TS]

  they think about it [TS]

  they think about it [TS]

  and even if you're not worried about [TS]

  it's just it's just apples just happy to [TS]

  know that they've cut off a path that [TS]

  malware could take to do something which [TS]

  would be truly dreadful like take [TS]

  control of your webcam and they're [TS]

  spending valuable engineering resources [TS]

  to implement those features which shows [TS]

  to me at least the investment they have [TS]

  that platform right i mean what they [TS]

  could do like this this is why I don't [TS]

  think government article shows what [TS]

  people think that it shows i think it's [TS]

  written to fit the narrative and that [TS]

  doesn't really show it I i think the [TS]

  macbook pro refutes it you know Apple [TS]

  could have just take you know put the [TS]

  upgraded intel chipsets in the old [TS]

  macbook pro and closer sound like the [TS]

  old macbook pro enclosure was dated it [TS]

  was still it's exactly what most you [TS]

  know other pc laptops still copy and [TS]

  anybody who prefers the larger key [TS]

  travel wouldn't be too complaining about [TS]

  the salariki travel people who all ports [TS]

  people who want the device you know the [TS]

  people who want to argue which is a [TS]

  reasonable view point that i'd rather [TS]

  Apple stopped making these things [TS]

  thinner and keep them the same thickness [TS]

  and just put bigger batteries in so i [TS]

  get even more battery life you know stop [TS]

  settling for quote unquote 10 hours of [TS]

  battery life on you go for 20 by keeping [TS]

  your thickness they would have had far [TS]

  fewer complaints i think it would have [TS]

  been worse devices i think it's it you [TS]

  know III in the long run I think they [TS]

  were right to do this but it's the weird [TS]

  thing and this is why Apple has had [TS]

  long-term success is there they're not [TS]

  afraid to do things that will draw [TS]

  criticism but are the right thing to do [TS]

  going forward I mean the headphone jack [TS]

  is the best example of that possible [TS]

  nobody was going to complain if the [TS]

  iphone 7 had a headphone check lots of [TS]

  people did complain that the iphone 7 [TS]

  didn't have a headphone jack lots of [TS]

  complaints on one side no complaints on [TS]

  the other but if it's the right way to [TS]

  do it they'll take the side with [TS]

  complaints whereas most companies always [TS]

  err on the side of let's do the thing [TS]

  that generates the fewest complaints [TS]

  even if it's the worst thing but people [TS]

  will pull people don't complain people [TS]

  complain about what's new they don't [TS]

  complain about status quo [TS]

  now and there's I mean that they can't [TS]

  win either way if they kept the old [TS]

  enclosure would have been like the [TS]

  iphone 7 analysts it's the same design [TS]

  apples not innovating anymore they're [TS]

  boring and then they change it well you [TS]

  know why do they bother changing they [TS]

  could've just left the same design but [TS]

  apple just never goes to the judges they [TS]

  don't care about the judges they don't [TS]

  want their their routine scored by the [TS]

  sweetest judge with like an 8 or [TS]

  something they do what they think they [TS]

  think is right and I'll take the lumps [TS]

  and it could be the headphone jack could [TS]

  be us bc Thunderbolt three across the [TS]

  line it could be making thinner max they [TS]

  they're they're willing to take those [TS]

  lumps for what they think is the best [TS]

  product but that hypothetical world the [TS]

  hypothetical world where Apple's October [TS]

  2016 new macbook pros effectively look [TS]

  more or less just like the old macbook [TS]

  pros that world fits with the Germans [TS]

  narrative well they lost clout with Jony [TS]

  Ive's team so the jives team said no [TS]

  stick to you know and enclosures good [TS]

  enough [TS]

  it fits with the idea that they've lost [TS]

  clout with the software team because the [TS]

  no software really asked all they need [TS]

  to do is put the drivers in right it's [TS]

  not [TS]

  hey every single mac app from apple has [TS]

  to be updated with touch bar support [TS]

  that fit like the world where they come [TS]

  out with these new macbook pros that are [TS]

  much thinner have the weight of the old [TS]

  macbook airs but our pro and have the [TS]

  you know [TS]

  hi color gamut a wide color gamut [TS]

  whatever you want to call it displays I [TS]

  just don't get it [TS]

  yeah it those products were internally [TS]

  expensive to produce and they wouldn't [TS]

  do that if that was a platform that they [TS]

  weren't any I don't know what else to [TS]

  say about it other than their the other [TS]

  part that I thought was I haven't [TS]

  written about this either but i want to [TS]

  but it's been delayed in december is [TS]

  people have more options microsoft [TS]

  corporation wants to ride it by Mac [TS]

  loyalists for its clunky buggy software [TS]

  offers Windows 10 which provides the [TS]

  tablet type functionality Apple [TS]

  pioneered with the ipad [TS]

  now that's a funny sense because I and I [TS]

  mean I don't mean to to be like a [TS]

  nitpicker but it's a funny sense because [TS]

  people now have more options windows was [TS]

  / mac loyalists is clunky and buggy [TS]

  software i would agree with that is [TS]

  certainly why i haven't used windows on [TS]

  a regular basis at a regular basis other [TS]

  than when I had shitty jobs when I was [TS]

  younger and had to now offers Windows 10 [TS]

  and it's not which is not clunky or [TS]

  buggy or as on savory as Windows ever [TS]

  was but if instead says which provides [TS]

  the tablet I punks now the Apple [TS]

  pioneered with the ipad like yeah i mean [TS]

  there was ten years a tablet pc before [TS]

  the ipad i had a chance to travel [TS]

  reports surface to do when i was there [TS]

  for the holiday show we did a review of [TS]

  it and it's introduced an interesting [TS]

  product but I I don't under I wrote [TS]

  about this to like I it seems like non [TS]

  apple products get graded on a curve [TS]

  because this was an i5 with the 5200 RPM [TS]

  hard drive which was just not sufficient [TS]

  for that product and that this is a [TS]

  device is plugged in all time there's no [TS]

  reason for it to be power and strain at [TS]

  all need to put anything as powerful as [TS]

  you want in there but it was incredibly [TS]

  power constraints could run either [TS]

  desktop or tablet mode which was [TS]

  confusing and when he would swipe down [TS]

  to get rid of something you can [TS]

  literally count like seconds in between [TS]

  the animation frames not just their [TS]

  they're a frame-off but like seconds [TS]

  before what animates start dropping it [TS]

  down and not the first time when it [TS]

  loaded it but over and over again and it [TS]

  was by far not an experience that I [TS]

  would tolerate on it on a daily basis i [TS]

  know some people love windows for gaming [TS]

  or for that functionality but i just [TS]

  don't get that entire narrative about [TS]

  Apple or Microsoft now catering to [TS]

  creative they're putting out very small [TS]

  niche products that they're having a [TS]

  hard time shipping on schedule as well [TS]

  Microsoft Surface computers offer apple [TS]

  s quality and a well-reviewed creative [TS]

  paint program aimed at the max audience [TS]

  i do think there's a little bit of Carla [TS]

  true there were if you are a [TS]

  professional illustrator or architecture [TS]

  somebody who draws professionally the [TS]

  surface studio if I did I would [TS]

  certainly look at one and maybe only use [TS]

  it for drawing and still use a mac for [TS]

  all my other computing and just have a [TS]

  device you know a dedicated in a way [TS]

  that you know a lot of these people have [TS]

  had it [TS]

  dedicated device hooked up to their [TS]

  Max's cintiq yep you'd buy this just for [TS]

  the drawing i could see it but I [TS]

  certainly wouldn't call it apple s [TS]

  quality honestly I mean I am it again [TS]

  it's like you know the guy who runs a [TS]

  site that's mostly about apple says yes [TS]

  surface to do is indecisive Mack the [TS]

  hinges really good the hinges here you [TS]

  really good but i found that the the [TS]

  drawing response time if you want to [TS]

  compare to the ipad pro it's just no get [TS]

  Harrison that there's there is latency [TS]

  and it varies widely and it's true on [TS]

  the ipad 2 I mean it is software [TS]

  dependent but if you want to just look [TS]

  at the reference apps you know [TS]

  Microsoft's own microsoft paint which I [TS]

  tried in the is store and apples notes [TS]

  app where you can draw the sketches you [TS]

  know just as baselines for latency [TS]

  there's practically none i mean i don't [TS]

  want to say nun with the ipad pro but [TS]

  it's you know I I don't think there's [TS]

  any reviews that disagree that the [TS]

  latency is downright amazing [TS]

  there's definitely latency I could see [TS]

  it on that the surface to do and there's [TS]

  parallax there the display is nowhere [TS]

  near as close to the surface of the [TS]

  glass or plastic or divers guys other [TS]

  than the ipad pro is absolutely a bit of [TS]

  parallax there it's not bad it's not [TS]

  horrible but it certainly isn't the ipad [TS]

  pro and the ipad pro is what I would [TS]

  define as Apple quality and so the [TS]

  service is by definition sub Apple [TS]

  quality it is hard to go back i used a [TS]

  wacom tablet for years and that was just [TS]

  what you had it was the best in the [TS]

  business so nobody really paid attention [TS]

  and after using the ipad pro for a year [TS]

  I I found it really hard to go back [TS]

  because you do notice the difference in [TS]

  latency and you do notice the air gap [TS]

  and on one proper way communist radical [TS]

  which I know you can turn off but still [TS]

  super annoying to me it's sort of spoils [TS]

  you for that experience and yeah there [TS]

  is no 27 inch iPad pro or there's not a [TS]

  27-inch you know pencil support on an [TS]

  imac yet but right technologically [TS]

  speaking there's a world of difference [TS]

  between the two [TS]

  sensing an opportunity and back to [TS]

  german story microsoft called the mac [TS]

  book pro a quote disappointment and said [TS]

  more users than ever were switching to [TS]

  its surface laptops and that's that's [TS]

  the end of that so it's a total bases [TS]

  chart of [TS]

  yes of how many how many users are [TS]

  switching to surface laptop switching [TS]

  obviously I presumably from Max they [TS]

  mean not from other windows laptops more [TS]

  than have a problem it's like 85 people [TS]

  switch last month in 10 people switch [TS]

  this month hundred percent more people [TS]

  switch this month I I sincerely doubt [TS]

  that the number of people switching from [TS]

  that books to surface laptops is [TS]

  significant and I also strongly suspect [TS]

  that if the ones who are our people who [TS]

  never really took to the mac in the [TS]

  first place and that they are not the [TS]

  mac loyalists that's the term of the [TS]

  headline of German story i really doubt [TS]

  that any of them organized i would say [TS]

  any obviously there's in a world of 7 [TS]

  billion people i'm sure there's some but [TS]

  that the number effectively is 0 of mac [TS]

  loyalists who have switched to the [TS]

  surface but I could be wrong but anyway [TS]

  would be nice to have numbers to back up [TS]

  a statement from Microsoft that isn't [TS]

  refuted at all more than ever and they [TS]

  said it's a disappointment [TS]

  no its you i mean i know a lot of people [TS]

  who are surface curious who just they [TS]

  wanted to get a device that you could [TS]

  draw on the screen that ran photoshop [TS]

  and they all bought surfaces 22 using [TS]

  coffee shops or to use around the house [TS]

  but they still kept their macs and I [TS]

  don't know how all these numbers to me [TS]

  this is a math problem is not really [TS]

  it's not a an industry trend i was just [TS]

  like the again like it's the same thing [TS]

  where we had those pixel sales were [TS]

  pixel more people were like that the [TS]

  acceleration of pixel is faster the [TS]

  internal turmoil has taken a toll this [TS]

  is government story more than a dozen [TS]

  engineers and managers working on Mac [TS]

  hardware of left four different apple [TS]

  teams are other companies in the past [TS]

  year-and-a-half said people familiar [TS]

  with the situation i allowed me to [TS]

  confirm that more than a dozen engineers [TS]

  are you on back hardware have left four [TS]

  different apple teams are other [TS]

  companies it's a lot more that it [TS]

  doesn't know people within Apple switch [TS]

  to other places within Apple all the [TS]

  time always have and it has been i think [TS]

  and you know this i think you probably [TS]

  noticed too i think there's been a [TS]

  little bit more shifting around in the [TS]

  last 18 months or so than usual [TS]

  just because of project title [TS]

  and then a few other things but it just [TS]

  cite as evidence of problems with an [TS]

  apple that quote more than a dozen [TS]

  engineers and managers working on Mac [TS]

  hardware of left four different teams is [TS]

  really not news at all it would be if 18 [TS]

  months go by and fewer than a dozen [TS]

  engineers and managers to change jobs [TS]

  that would be startling it would it [TS]

  I I wouldn't believe it and also it's [TS]

  unclear to me what that means because I [TS]

  i know people who are on loan to other [TS]

  like you know maybe they work on iphone [TS]

  but they've been on loan to Apple watch [TS]

  to complete a project over there and [TS]

  then eventually they either stay where [TS]

  they go back and they move around all [TS]

  the time depending on where those [TS]

  engineering resources are needed and [TS]

  it's a and again it's just talk max [TS]

  weren't a priority this year is very [TS]

  easily it is very easy to see those [TS]

  those engineers get put in other [TS]

  projects in the meantime right and i [TS]

  know for example I know that people who [TS]

  worked on touch bar on loan from other [TS]

  teams because it's you know it wasn't it [TS]

  does not like they need to dedicate a [TS]

  touch of our team forever [TS]

  I mean I think there's never going to be [TS]

  an update to the touch part but that to [TS]

  ship the first one and decide here is [TS]

  the foundation of how it works [TS]

  we need some iOS people because we gotta [TS]

  get you know let's get these guys from [TS]

  you know work on iOS because they know [TS]

  how to do the sculpture on Claver or [TS]

  whatever you know but anyway I don't [TS]

  know I just don't think again there is [TS]

  definitely something weird and [TS]

  problematic going on with apples [TS]

  desktops across-the-board even the imac [TS]

  maybe I mean just seems a little weird [TS]

  to go home over a year without an update [TS]

  at all even a speed bump totally and [TS]

  stop by the same token I mean we know [TS]

  people who for years have been saying [TS]

  why doesn't Apple take a break and not [TS]

  even get off this yearly update cycle [TS]

  it's just those products going three or [TS]

  two years i think is is is alarming but [TS]

  you're going a year between imax if it's [TS]

  the spring instead of the fall I don't [TS]

  think that's the army [TS]

  yeah so anyway I and what I've heard [TS]

  repeatedly from people that Apple is [TS]

  that you know regarding government [TS]

  stories and stuff like this that like [TS]

  not specific stories you know I mean [TS]

  like a good Germans best story of 2016 [TS]

  pros probably the airport's scoop you [TS]

  got certain details wrong including like [TS]

  the big thing he got wrong was that the [TS]

  air pods would be beats branded and that [TS]

  beats would come out with a low lower [TS]

  price thing which is made no sense to me [TS]

  marketing rise [TS]

  you know like the apple branded one is [TS]

  the one that would be priced to sell and [TS]

  the beats is the premium brand that [TS]

  would be more expensive and in fact [TS]

  that's exactly how it turned out that [TS]

  beat sells the three-hundred-dollar over [TS]

  the year things in their pots are of [TS]

  course apple-branded but in terms of [TS]

  what the air pods were and how they [TS]

  would work and it to have a little [TS]

  charging case and stuff like that he had [TS]

  that last January very specific spot on [TS]

  even the product marketing part that he [TS]

  got wrong [TS]

  each should have even speculated he gets [TS]

  the product marketing stuff wrong almost [TS]

  all the time because people and product [TS]

  marketing just don't leak and the people [TS]

  who do leak or people who know things [TS]

  like the hardware engineering and that's [TS]

  obviously who leaked the story anyway [TS]

  specific story like that government [TS]

  nails it something like this that's [TS]

  bigger he often gets facts right but [TS]

  gets the story wrong is that I've heard [TS]

  that from like three different people [TS]

  going to get ready it's super-hard what [TS]

  he does is super super tough not just [TS]

  gathering information but doing the [TS]

  analytics behind it sort of guessing [TS]

  apples intent that which is you know [TS]

  kudos to them for doing it I wouldn't [TS]

  but that that part is super super hard [TS]

  now they're desperately running at it [TS]

  I'm we're going to do a big year in [TS]

  review or not we're going to get to have [TS]

  to throw out the rush through that part [TS]

  we can pick our targets I let me take a [TS]

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  audible for sponsoring the show next on [TS]

  list is consumer reports [TS]

  yeah he asked oh so consumer reports at [TS]

  the end of last week on friday how would [TS]

  you summarize it [TS]

  I don't you summarize it so they put out [TS]

  of it so we put out a headline ie they [TS]

  put out a report saying that they could [TS]

  not recommend the new macbook pro [TS]

  because they got wildly inconsistent [TS]

  battery tests was I think that just the [TS]

  gist of it that went from 15 hours on [TS]

  the high end to like [TS]

  three-point-something low-end and so [TS]

  they gave it there's the first macbooks [TS]

  ever not to receive their quote unquote [TS]

  recommended in other words there's it's [TS]

  sort of like the Good Housekeeping Seal [TS]

  of Approval that they're not saying it's [TS]

  the best are not saying it's worse than [TS]

  that ranking 10 laptops you know his [TS]

  number two number three it's just is it [TS]

  at least in their recommended list and [TS]

  it's sort of like a you know a minimum [TS]

  badge of visit a decent machine and it's [TS]

  the first one ever not to get it [TS]

  and I was a top that all the text is it [TS]

  was the number one story on tech [TS]

  mon-friday yeah their logic was because [TS]

  they thought that battery was such an [TS]

  important characteristic that they [TS]

  couldn't take an average had to take the [TS]

  lowest results for each one because [TS]

  that's the only thing people count on it [TS]

  got scored based on having around a [TS]

  three-point something hour battery life [TS]

  so the consumer reports again it is it [TS]

  hello there you complain about consumer [TS]

  reports consistent something bad about [TS]

  Apple but this is it to frame this [TS]

  consumer reports has been around for a [TS]

  long time and when I was growing up had [TS]

  a great reputation and that it was [TS]

  expensive because one of the policies [TS]

  that they have is that they don't accept [TS]

  product advertising and so they are [TS]

  supported by their subscribers and it's [TS]

  a very expensive thing to do so when [TS]

  they do things like they test cars they [TS]

  go to a car dealer and they buy cars and [TS]

  they don't say I'm from consumer reports [TS]

  and they buy a card you know they just [TS]

  going like regular customers and buy [TS]

  whatever cars they're testing so that [TS]

  they know that they're getting a [TS]

  consumer product not like a cherry [TS]

  picked you know hey this is you know [TS]

  like the ford motor company is going to [TS]

  make sure everything's right about this [TS]

  car before they give it to consumer [TS]

  reports on loan for a week of testing or [TS]

  something like that they have their own [TS]

  test track they own a test right where [TS]

  they drive cars and they test everything [TS]

  from washing machines refrigerated all [TS]

  sorts of stuff [TS]

  Consumer Reports is not what it used to [TS]

  be though there was like editorial perch [TS]

  about five or six years ago i'll put a [TS]

  link in the show notes from like a [TS]

  former editor but effectively that they [TS]

  got new management five or six years ago [TS]

  who thought they could do a lot better [TS]

  with cheaper with new you know like just [TS]

  sort of freelancing out all the way like [TS]

  satellite reviewers right and redesign [TS]

  the magazine and it became a lot less [TS]

  dense and that reviews it is a lot more [TS]

  like the sort of USA Today that up you [TS]

  know it's a lot more graphs and charts [TS]

  and graphics and a lot less dense text [TS]

  and so if you think the Consumer Reports [TS]

  has gone downhill just in your mind [TS]

  there's actually a factual basis for [TS]

  that insofar as a huge amount of their [TS]

  staff that used to be their long-term [TS]

  people who had were there for 10 20 [TS]

  years or even more [TS]

  no longer work there number to their [TS]

  computer testing has never actually been [TS]

  very good in my opinion that's his [TS]

  background but here's the thing is what [TS]

  they say about these new macbook pros [TS]

  maybe the new macbook pros get into [TS]

  inferior battery life let's just say [TS]

  that that's a possibility what they're [TS]

  saying no it doesn't make any sense at [TS]

  all like to test these machines that [TS]

  apple claims gets 10 hours and whatever [TS]

  whatever the Apple testing is get range [TS]

  from 3 hours to 18 hours the 18-hour [TS]

  number is impossible like numerous [TS]

  people on Twitter pointed out and i [TS]

  believe it's true that if you turn on a [TS]

  macbook pro and don't open any apps and [TS]

  just set it so that the did the display [TS]

  doesn't go to sleep automatically you're [TS]

  not going to get 18 hours of battery [TS]

  life [TS]

  yeah it was just sitting there idle with [TS]

  the screen on as bright as they say it [TS]

  is unless you forget unplug it for part [TS]

  of that time it seems incredibly [TS]

  unlikely that that would be the amount [TS]

  of time you can I don't get to it got it [TS]

  obviously the machines went to sleep or [TS]

  something [TS]

  i mean i-i don't know but they don't [TS]

  number two they don't reveal their [TS]

  testing now presumably they don't reveal [TS]

  the exact nature of their testing [TS]

  because they don't want to if they say [TS]

  if they give you repeatable steps of how [TS]

  they test the battery life then computer [TS]

  makers could maybe somehow game the [TS]

  system and that's very mean Samsung has [TS]

  been caught on a game things like each [TS]

  bench Frenchman's yet but I depends [TS]

  though see benchmarks are different [TS]

  because you can like the benchmark [TS]

  cheating is dreadfully easy in some [TS]

  cases where like there's ways that that [TS]

  they actually compile code that looks [TS]

  for the compiled code of the benchmark [TS]

  and then just knows to give the right [TS]

  answer without actually going through [TS]

  the actual algorithm right yeah like it [TS]

  if you happen to know I mean just to put [TS]

  into super layman's terms if you just [TS]

  happen to know that the benchmark is [TS]

  going to ask what the square root of a [TS]

  particular large number is you can just [TS]

  hard code the answer that instead of [TS]

  computing the square root you just say [TS]

  well if if that you know asking for the [TS]

  square root of this particular large [TS]

  number just give the just skip ahead [TS]

  the answer because we already have it [TS]

  and that's the sort of cheating [TS]

  Samsung's been caught doing yet [TS]

  literally I mean not on the square root [TS]

  but on someone you know a real example I [TS]

  don't know how you could do that with [TS]

  battery life I I it depending on the [TS]

  test its it you know i don't know and [TS]

  it's contrary to the way that science [TS]

  works right the whole point of of like [TS]

  publishing something in Sciences you [TS]

  know you published in a way that you can [TS]

  get reproducible results the repeatable [TS]

  and I think that immediately was a was a [TS]

  red flag to me on twitter is a lot of [TS]

  the minute article but you know Apple [TS]

  controversy remove the time remaining [TS]

  indicator but before they did that it's [TS]

  always been bad but for this new [TS]

  generation macbook I was and I tweeted [TS]

  them for weeks before it became an issue [TS]

  that i was getting like 16 hours or 14 [TS]

  hours or 18 hours remaining on it when [TS]

  it was clearly not the case it and that [TS]

  those numbers sort of match the sort of [TS]

  made up numbers that the API was [TS]

  spitting out to me was curious from the [TS]

  get-go also used I never saw numbers [TS]

  like that but I never really looked at [TS]

  that number and i've upgraded the test [TS]

  machines i have here to to the yet 12 [TS]

  you know to 12.2 10-point 12.2 god I [TS]

  hate that 10 so i can't test it i was [TS]

  always getting the opposite i was [TS]

  getting an under representative estimate [TS]

  when I did look but i think but part of [TS]

  it is that I just I just don't look at [TS]

  that time remaining I just look at the [TS]

  percentage i really do it's just the [TS]

  habit i've gotten into I'm not yet been [TS]

  known to be wrong for a while and it was [TS]

  actually joking with someone who makes [TS]

  you uses the third-party api which is [TS]

  slightly different he was just saying [TS]

  I'm just gonna cap it at 10 hours [TS]

  because i can't trust anything that has [TS]

  over that so the third party one is [TS]

  different i didn't know that in there [TS]

  because ya know I do know that you can [TS]

  still get it without installing any [TS]

  third-party utilities you can get out of [TS]

  activity meter [TS]

  yeah that's the Apple we're not activity [TS]

  monitor and there's plenty of [TS]

  third-party utilities i'm actually i did [TS]

  laugh when when when I first found out [TS]

  that adults but as [TS]

  as part of the explanation for how [TS]

  they've improved battery life on the new [TS]

  macbook pros in in this 10-point 12.2 [TS]

  update that they removed the time [TS]

  remaining I'd i literally laughed out [TS]

  loud because it looks so bad so I know [TS]

  people internally have been trying to [TS]

  get that thing fixed for years and then [TS]

  I pointed out again this time to think [TS]

  later removed fixed and then I pointed [TS]

  it out to someone on the team when it [TS]

  happens to me again and there they came [TS]

  back and they looked and they went holy [TS]

  shit why is this like this and i think [TS]

  that they just didn't have time to fix [TS]

  it be and I think because they do a [TS]

  harder problem to solve and tenth you [TS]

  know to get it out for four 10-point [TS]

  12.2 they could taking it out was [TS]

  obviously easy that's that's a really [TS]

  easy software change fixing it might be [TS]

  hard and they're not going to delay [TS]

  they're not going to delay 10-point 12.2 [TS]

  tell it to wait for the fix and because [TS]

  there's all sorts of other good stuff in [TS]

  in that update that was ready to ship [TS]

  and so you know I'm down with it's just [TS]

  funny that it is sad [TS]

  that's at but it's funny that it that [TS]

  they decided to do it in response to [TS]

  complaints about a new device the way [TS]

  they should have done is take it out of [TS]

  Sierra just take it out you know should [TS]

  have recognized that it was either fix [TS]

  it for Sierra or take it out for Sierra [TS]

  and just say it's a Sierra update it [TS]

  like a lot of things that Apple it [TS]

  doesn't get attention until it does [TS]

  right right and it's got the wrong kind [TS]

  it made me laugh anyway I've told you [TS]

  before the show I have spent the last [TS]

  five days since friday creating my own [TS]

  little battery benchmark now here's how [TS]

  to consumer reports claims and I have a [TS]

  quote from me but effectively they say [TS]

  what they do to test the battery is they [TS]

  load a series of web pages repeatedly [TS]

  over and over until the battery runs out [TS]

  and they run them from a locally hosted [TS]

  web server in their lab which i think is [TS]

  actually in my opinion is the wrong way [TS]

  to do it i feel i guess they're thinking [TS]

  that if they run it locally they can get [TS]

  more repeatable but you know that if [TS]

  there's some sort of [TS]

  problem between here and the actual [TS]

  server but they get like a rogue add [TS]

  tracker that just brings up more and [TS]

  more trackers and starts killing the [TS]

  processes but I feel like if you want to [TS]

  test real-world battery life you should [TS]

  test it on real-world websites it's you [TS]

  know like running off a fake web server [TS]

  in your lab testing loading the pages [TS]

  from a fake web server in your lab is [TS]

  like it's saying like we're not going to [TS]

  run the real version of photoshop we're [TS]

  going to write you know run around [TS]

  simulation of photoshop it's you know [TS]

  why not run the real thing that's what [TS]

  real people are going to do so i'm gonna [TS]

  reply of a bit of a drawing instead of [TS]

  running the program that makes the [TS]

  drawing now I haven't published yet [TS]

  because I'm not done and unlike consumer [TS]

  reports i don't want to publish it [TS]

  performed on but I can talk about it [TS]

  here on the show [TS]

  it's a very simple i wrote an apple [TS]

  script and what it does it took 25 [TS]

  stories from the top 25 stories on tech [TS]

  meme on Friday just to have real-world [TS]

  stories that are supposedly actually [TS]

  prompt popular real pet pages that were [TS]

  loaded by real people don't think it [TS]

  really matters too much what they are [TS]

  but there are real website and then it [TS]

  one at a time [TS]

  loads them into new tabs leaves all of [TS]

  them open loads and loads a webpage wait [TS]

  five seconds pages down [TS]

  wait another five seconds pages down [TS]

  wait another five seconds pages down [TS]

  after that goes on to the next URL does [TS]

  the same thing [TS]

  15 seconds with five seconds in between [TS]

  two page down to simulate you know [TS]

  reading a website loading anything else [TS]

  that might roll into the scrollview like [TS]

  an automatic playing video or something [TS]

  like that [TS]

  I do all 25 of them have 25 tabs open [TS]

  and then at the end of that close it [TS]

  start all over again [TS]

  load the same 25 pages over and over [TS]

  again at a sort of four you know it i [TS]

  could take out the five-second delays [TS]

  and it like it's like the screen is just [TS]

  like flash flash flash and it's it go [TS]

  away faster and you can see in real life [TS]

  is anybody actually going to sit there [TS]

  in front of a computer for five hours [TS]

  and every 15 seconds to load another web [TS]

  page and scroll down now I mean it's [TS]

  sort of like simulating like a coke [TS]

  fiend on a new Athens but it's just it's [TS]

  not supposed to be like this is [TS]

  emulating a real person and really use [TS]

  it's just something that I could run on [TS]

  multiple machines to see if the scores [TS]

  come out consistently on multiple runs [TS]

  on the same machine and to compare one [TS]

  machine to another and to compare these [TS]

  new ones to my old 2014 macbook pro ah [TS]

  and their results i got a very different [TS]

  than consumer report so there wasn't [TS]

  like a 15-hour 1230 would know if [TS]

  anything the the results have actually [TS]

  gotten slowly but steadily better since [TS]

  friday on the same machine which I [TS]

  attribute to the fact that when i first [TS]

  started on friday i just updated [TS]

  10-point 12.2 on the one where I'd sort [TS]

  of pact these reviewing its up to send [TS]

  back to Apple glad i didn't they were [TS]

  all packed up and most of the time three [TS]

  of them i have one without i have the [TS]

  macbook escape have 13-inch with a core [TS]

  i5 with a touch bar and I have a 15-inch [TS]

  I attributed the earlier ones getting [TS]

  worse scores by about an hour to the [TS]

  fact that i did check not while the [TS]

  benchmark was running but just when I [TS]

  was setting up and testing and trying to [TS]

  figure you know just making sure that [TS]

  the test did what I thought it did it [TS]

  was logging what I thought it did what I [TS]

  do is I right to a text file every time [TS]

  through the 25 tabs just to list that [TS]

  how long has gone since we started and [TS]

  what's the current battery life as a [TS]

  percentage to make sure it was all [TS]

  saying I ran it sometimes with activity [TS]

  monitor running and I could tell the [TS]

  first time it was running that the a lot [TS]

  of the photos demons for running in the [TS]

  background yeah i think because i have [TS]

  these machines signed into my icloud [TS]

  account and i think that the photo [TS]

  sharing all the photos I've taken since [TS]

  i wrote my macbook review in October [TS]

  were new and so was doing facial [TS]

  detection and all that stuff on all of [TS]

  the photos that I've taken since october [TS]

  and we took a vacation over thanksgiving [TS]

  and so there was actually a lot of [TS]

  photos i honestly think that the photo [TS]

  thing was giving you know so effectively [TS]

  I got I don't have the exact numbers [TS]

  here but i was getting four hours and [TS]

  change on my test on the 13-inch macbook [TS]

  pro the new one with the touch bar and [TS]

  now like I ran it last night i got five [TS]

  and a half hour [TS]

  and smoke but it's you know all between [TS]

  four hours and change in a maximum of [TS]

  like five the macbook escape got six [TS]

  hours and 20 minutes so it actually does [TS]

  get as reported by some you know I guess [TS]

  now that I have the script i can [TS]

  actually report battery life when I [TS]

  write these reviews but it does get [TS]

  better battery life than the one with [TS]

  the touch bar on which makes some sense [TS]

  i think because the touch bar never goes [TS]

  off this script i have that you know [TS]

  obviously have the machine set to not do [TS]

  miss the display not dim it [TS]

  automatically the touch bar is always on [TS]

  because it seems to the computer that [TS]

  the user is actively constantly never [TS]

  stopping to use safari well it also i [TS]

  think some people notice this when they [TS]

  were first introduced that the specs are [TS]

  widely different it would be odd that [TS]

  they would get the same battery life [TS]

  according to apple with those different [TS]

  specs right the other crazy thing from [TS]

  the consumer reports [TS]

  yes that was very said that they said [TS]

  that switching from safari to Chrome fix [TS]

  the problem they got consistent results [TS]

  and it got better results so it there [TS]

  who knows what's going on there I've [TS]

  still can't wait to hear the explanation [TS]

  for this i still keep there's no i don't [TS]

  care just no possible way that you can [TS]

  load webpages for 18 hours on one of [TS]

  these machines but the idea that [TS]

  switching the chrome would fix it makes [TS]

  no sense whatsoever because chrome is [TS]

  widely known as a battery hog that the [TS]

  one of the single biggest differences [TS]

  between safari and chrome on the mac is [TS]

  that chrome is not optimized for battery [TS]

  life and safari is optimized possibly as [TS]

  its single highest priority for battery [TS]

  life like I don't know that there's a [TS]

  single priority on Apple's WebKit Safari [TS]

  team higher than maximizing battery life [TS]

  it is a grade 1 priority there is ZERO [TS]

  regression jihad right and la lo and [TS]

  behold I tried the sack same battery [TS]

  test with chrome I same URLs same delay [TS]

  between scrolling all I did was change [TS]

  tell application safari to you know you [TS]

  know and then here's the the repeat you [TS]

  know very simple script i will publish [TS]

  it so [TS]

  that people can reproduce the results [TS]

  all I did was change the tail target [TS]

  from tell application safari to tell [TS]

  application google chrome that's the [TS]

  only change yeah everything else [TS]

  actually there's no other change that's [TS]

  needed to the even Apple script it's the [TS]

  command is very simple it's just open [TS]

  location and then you put the URL as a [TS]

  string and it open so you don't even [TS]

  have to change that the battery life lo [TS]

  and behold was only two-thirds as long [TS]

  as with safari went from you know four [TS]

  hours and change the three hours and [TS]

  change and you divide one over the other [TS]

  and came out to like points64 points65 [TS]

  it was almost exactly two thirds of the [TS]

  thirty-three percent drop off and [TS]

  battery switching the chrome I always [TS]

  gonna get in your macbook i try i do [TS]

  Chrome for a day and it's a without fail [TS]

  it's an hour-and-a-half less battery [TS]

  life for me thats it thats exactly fits [TS]

  with my this the little simple test that [TS]

  Iran and now I'm not even saying that [TS]

  this is a great the world's greatest [TS]

  battery test all i can say is that it's [TS]

  as close as i can come to approximating [TS]

  what consumer reports says they did and [TS]

  i don't think it's an unreasonable [TS]

  battery test know and fairly reasonable [TS]

  to me what was so odd to me with this [TS]

  whole situation is one that consumer [TS]

  reports would be happy enough with those [TS]

  results to publish them instead of [TS]

  becoming super positive super inquire [TS]

  why am I getting these results i need to [TS]

  understand these before I try to explain [TS]

  it to somebody else and also we find out [TS]

  again on Twitter no Marco has mentioned [TS]

  this before is that we're really bad [TS]

  with multiple truths like the the [TS]

  battery could not live up to apples [TS]

  expectations and it could be shitty test [TS]

  both those things could be true [TS]

  consumer reports did nothing to sort of [TS]

  convinced me that the shitty test part 1 [TS]

  part of it i will say though that my [TS]

  tests show that these the new macbook [TS]

  pros are getting better battery life [TS]

  consistently at least an hour more than [TS]

  my 2014 13 inch macbook pro now that [TS]

  said yes my 2014 macbook pro which I [TS]

  personally own is two years old almost [TS]

  to exactly two years old and I've used [TS]

  it a lot over two years and the [TS]

  batteries no batteries two-year-old [TS]

  batteries that have been used for two [TS]

  years do not behave as well as brand-new [TS]

  batteries and i'm sure it's quite [TS]

  certain that that very same machine that [TS]

  i own probably would have scored [TS]

  significantly better if if I tested it [TS]

  two years ago so it may happy and [TS]

  Apple sits and apples 22 year-old apples [TS]

  comparison but i will say it is an hour [TS]

  longer so if I were to switch today from [TS]

  my 2014 macbook pro to the new one with [TS]

  touch bar I would expect to get a an [TS]

  hour more battery life of active active [TS]

  use totally and I mean there's there's a [TS]

  lot of things again to unpack your one [TS]

  is that Apple famously a few years ago [TS]

  change the way they measured battery [TS]

  life and resulted in significantly [TS]

  better battery estimates people just [TS]

  remark that Apple's became super solid [TS]

  but times keep changing and I think [TS]

  Apple does have to update these again [TS]

  and we saw that with iphone devices [TS]

  recently too because it's not back like [TS]

  the Steve Jobs days when he did when he [TS]

  started going through web pages it was [TS]

  the New York Times and apple com [TS]

  and that's just not how people don't [TS]

  just check email and the web now anymore [TS]

  they've got snapchat and Facebook and [TS]

  pokemon go and apps that keep the screen [TS]

  lit up and keep the radios fire to keep [TS]

  gps on all the time and are [TS]

  significantly higher battery drains and [TS]

  this is what this is what a lot of [TS]

  normal people are using then then just [TS]

  looking at web pages are male and the [TS]

  same is true on the mac depending on [TS]

  which sites you choose to load these can [TS]

  have you know and i decide i run is [TS]

  guilty of this is anybody if they don't [TS]

  get loaded tractor which will load a [TS]

  tracker and every once in a while I get [TS]

  one that just goes 50 or 80 levels deep [TS]

  and killed every year guilt here than [TS]

  most [TS]

  yes guilty than most sure hey maybe [TS]

  maybe my site was the consumer reports [TS]

  killed the macbook I don't do wonder i [TS]

  think that that might explain the bit of [TS]

  some of the variability that ice I've [TS]

  seen in my own testing here is that even [TS]

  loading the same 25 URLs every time you [TS]

  can get different ad trackers and it [TS]

  certainly see you certainly see if you [TS]

  ever look in activity monitor and you [TS]

  see one safari process you know because [TS]

  each tab in modern safari gets its own [TS]

  process and you can see them [TS]

  individually an activity monitor and if [TS]

  you see one for I more that's taking 1.2 [TS]

  gigabytes of RAM that's you're like wow [TS]

  that's weird because I've got three I [TS]

  more tabs open and only one of them is [TS]

  using this it's something like that it [TS]

  totally and again like the there's no [TS]

  indication that they were like use that [TS]

  the photos agent could spin up or [TS]

  spotlight indexer could spit up and [TS]

  as various processes that are running in [TS]

  the background that could have profound [TS]

  impact on what the battery life is and [TS]

  there was no indication that controlled [TS]

  for that either [TS]

  yeah so it's you know a lot of hello [TS]

  blue about nothing and again as you said [TS]

  the market pointed out that doesn't mean [TS]

  that the battery life on these things is [TS]

  great but from my testing it doesn't [TS]

  seem to be bad and also it also doesn't [TS]

  put aside the fact that there are [TS]

  definitely there were definitely bugs in [TS]

  10-point 12.1 across the board and i [TS]

  think in particular in safari there was [TS]

  something going on there and I've heard [TS]

  from people at Apple that some of the [TS]

  people you know and ended again be if [TS]

  you're out there and you've got a [TS]

  macbook pro and you've had it you're [TS]

  really really sad or just pointing [TS]

  battery life i'm not saying that that's [TS]

  not true and I know that there are [TS]

  people out there I i know that there are [TS]

  people at Apple those who are a hundred [TS]

  percent convinced hundred percent that [TS]

  its software and that it's easily [TS]

  fixable and will be fixed and it's not [TS]

  hardware that they might have hit a [TS]

  couple edge cases and one of the last [TS]

  greatly skew the results and again [TS]

  instead of attending part to me that i [TS]

  dislike about the modern internet and it [TS]

  it's similar like when Apple remove the [TS]

  time remaining indicator two-story look [TS]

  we lost the battery life story all the [TS]

  time about the battery life indicator [TS]

  and this was about the headline Consumer [TS]

  Reports can't recommend the macbook [TS]

  there could be an issue with the battery [TS]

  life and that gets totally lost and [TS]

  you've got a lot of the same tweets that [TS]

  I did and when we do just raised [TS]

  questions about this year called an [TS]

  apologist or mad or something else but [TS]

  to me these are legitimate questions [TS]

  because i actually want to know about [TS]

  the battery life I really don't care [TS]

  about the rest of it i just want an [TS]

  answer on that [TS]

  yeah i agree so anyway I think that the [TS]

  consumer reports blew it on this [TS]

  I you know anyway you'll hear more from [TS]

  me on the battery test and i will [TS]

  publish the script and people can run it [TS]

  themselves and I do hope anyone in this [TS]

  you know this is my speculation but i do [TS]

  think that consumer reports got a taste [TS]

  for what [TS]

  big big attention is because they [TS]

  they're battling for relevance now their [TS]

  sites like wire cutter there's a whole [TS]

  internet out there it used to be just [TS]

  consumer reports and now they have to [TS]

  compete with a bunch of the size and [TS]

  resolution in this industry and with [TS]

  antennagate they saw a ton of attention [TS]

  and then after that we got the weird [TS]

  sort of Bend gate stuff from them and [TS]

  then last year it was the samsung galaxy [TS]

  active water retention and it just feels [TS]

  like they're testing to see where they [TS]

  can regain relevancy with these things [TS]

  and I think that that leave them to [TS]

  publish our [TS]

  chuckles that aren't always in the best [TS]

  interest of their consumers yeah you [TS]

  know I know one last thing I will point [TS]

  out and this is the thing where I feel [TS]

  like the most screwed the pooch is bike [TS]

  by publishing on friday when they did [TS]

  was that they tested multiple machines [TS]

  and got the same inconsistent results on [TS]

  all of them so I don't put it past the [TS]

  possibility that a very you know an [TS]

  early production model of of one of [TS]

  these machines could be a lemon and [TS]

  would produce wildly different results [TS]

  that's certainly possible but the odds [TS]

  that you would buy three and all three [TS]

  would exhibit the same bizarre behavior [TS]

  and like nobody else is seeing the [TS]

  wildly divergent the battery life like [TS]

  that between runs [TS]

  I mean it for you not to 41 not to [TS]

  suspect that the problem is with the [TS]

  tests and not with the machines boggles [TS]

  the mind [TS]

  yeah again if it was just one device and [TS]

  and you got that boy had it you know [TS]

  that seems possible but it three devices [TS]

  that mean it'sit's you know like that [TS]

  scene in casino when De Niro's berating [TS]

  the hay because 332 slot machines in a [TS]

  row he gave out a jackpot and he didn't [TS]

  suspect that they were being scanned and [TS]

  not totally and again we have an antec [TS]

  we have are technically have a lot of [TS]

  sites that you really really good work [TS]

  with battery test and there's a lot of [TS]

  things that you can check these results [TS]

  with ya [TS]

  alright let me take a break and thank [TS]

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  apologies to Caleb so let's cover the [TS]

  entire year in five minutes okay [TS]

  the Year in Review 2016 I I'm i thought [TS]

  was what are your favorite products of [TS]

  the year and I my two favorite products [TS]

  of the year very easy number one the [TS]

  winner for product of the year is air [TS]

  pods and number two the iphone 7 [TS]

  I've already talked I've written i wrote [TS]

  a huge review the iphone 7 I don't need [TS]

  to say why I like it but i will just [TS]

  point out this I as the time goes on I [TS]

  get more used to my iphone 7 I i really [TS]

  like to kind of hope that if it's true [TS]

  that they go bezel is that the whole [TS]

  device will shrink and it will become [TS]

  even smaller in my hand I mean I'm an [TS]

  iphone 7 person I from seven plus i'd [TS]

  love to have an iphone SE sighs device [TS]

  or almost iphone SE sighs device and [TS]

  just have the whole thing be a display [TS]

  but even so i've been using this seven [TS]

  size for so long but i love the little [TS]

  things that they've done differently in [TS]

  this to call it exactly the same [TS]

  industrial design is it's just not true [TS]

  yes it's very very similar it is [TS]

  familiar and i will also point out three [TS]

  months in that my jet black used with no [TS]

  case iphone 7 still looks fantastic [TS]

  yes there are scratches not just fine [TS]

  whatever they call them here whatever [TS]

  they call those micro operations there [TS]

  are plenty of micro operations which are [TS]

  impossible to see unless you really tilt [TS]

  exactly the right and look for it but [TS]

  there are also i don't even know when [TS]

  this happened about an inch down and a [TS]

  half an inch to the right of the apple [TS]

  logo there are some like serious [TS]

  scratches on it you can't see them even [TS]

  this actual scratch scratches you can't [TS]

  see them unless you really look for it [TS]

  I don't and I don't care it's fine i [TS]

  love it it's the it feels so great in my [TS]

  hand it is not slippery it wasn't [TS]

  slippery when it was hot [TS]

  I've been in the three months I've had [TS]

  it I've been in the tropics i have been [TS]

  in freezing sub-freezing East Coast [TS]

  whether it's not slippery when your [TS]

  hands are cold it's not slippery when [TS]

  your hands are hot it's not slippery at [TS]

  room temperature and I i do i've been [TS]

  i've taken some amazing photographs with [TS]

  the camera so iphone 7 my second [TS]

  favorite product in here [TS]

  what about you what's your favorite [TS]

  products with you you know i would say [TS]

  the iphone 7 plus it's because I've been [TS]

  on the plus since first came out I just [TS]

  love the larger screen because to me it [TS]

  really it becomes a primary computing [TS]

  device and I can do everything that my [TS]

  job almost everything my job needs me to [TS]

  do right from my iphone and especially [TS]

  with the camera system [TS]

  the the lens fusion on the iphone 7 plus [TS]

  i used to shoot everything for I more [TS]

  with DSLR and i haven't used one since [TS]

  this phone came out and yeah there's [TS]

  some gray and a lot of the pictures but [TS]

  I'm taking photos I never thought I [TS]

  would be able to take it just photos [TS]

  that I could never have taken with [TS]

  previous generation iphones and to me [TS]

  that's a huge huge improvement but [TS]

  because we already picked iphone I'm [TS]

  gonna go with the 9.7 inch iPad pro [TS]

  because it has all of the benefits of [TS]

  the big ipad pro its but it's even more [TS]

  of sort of this hybrid computer I no [TS]

  other companies have been making these [TS]

  convertible computers for years but to [TS]

  me Apple really nailed it with this [TS]

  because you have the keyboard and you [TS]

  can sit there and in a coffee shop or on [TS]

  an airplane train table a tray table and [TS]

  and type and within two or three minutes [TS]

  i forget i'm typing on a piece of laser [TS]

  blade taffeta and i just type and it's [TS]

  great and then you can pull it off and [TS]

  sit back and use it like an ipad air 2 [TS]

  its exact same basic size shape and wait [TS]

  and watch movies or play games or do [TS]

  those things and forget that a few [TS]

  seconds ago it was basically like a [TS]

  little laptop computer and then you add [TS]

  in that the decent camera system on that [TS]

  which is as good as a previous [TS]

  generation iphone a true tone display [TS]

  which I hope you know Apple really [TS]

  refine that and put it everywhere and it [TS]

  just it it makes a really great product [TS]

  I the true tone display I'm a little [TS]

  disappointed that it didn't get into the [TS]

  iphone 7 and I see why because it [TS]

  actually requires additional sensors [TS]

  yeah and that space is at a premium and [TS]

  you know I i get it i but i love the [TS]

  two-tone display so much and I thought [TS]

  that the towel was when when when they [TS]

  introduced it back in March Schiller [TS]

  said once you see it you can get you [TS]

  know you can't do without it I thought [TS]

  that man is coming in the iphone because [TS]

  and maybe it was back then [TS]

  yeah maybe I don't know but it is it [TS]

  it's one of those neat ways that it in [TS]

  the old days I mean old days you know [TS]

  but the early days of the ipad the [TS]

  iphone was always a full step ahead [TS]

  it was the first to have everything [TS]

  first to get the new a series whatever [TS]

  first to get touch ID with the ipad pro [TS]

  the ipad is sort of in some ways a half [TS]

  a step ahead of the iphone right the [TS]

  iphone right now as we speak has the [TS]

  newer a series processor and does have a [TS]

  better cam [TS]

  but it's the 9.7 inch iPad pro that has [TS]

  the truck display and the true tone is [TS]

  not a gimmick it is it is a real thing [TS]

  like it actually I i really do it [TS]

  bothers me when I use it at night in [TS]

  particular and then look at my iphone [TS]

  and because it makes my iphone look like [TS]

  it's miss colored I was hoping they'd [TS]

  figure out some great way to use the [TS]

  sensors on the ipad mini to say if you [TS]

  have any idea how to approach you had it [TS]

  it would just copy that display profile [TS]

  to all the other devices that you have [TS]

  on your account no ipad pro is a great [TS]

  device the other thing i think that is [TS]

  historically you know if we want to [TS]

  listen to this if somebody's listening [TS]

  to this 10 years in the future like to [TS]

  me the the ipad pro is an inflection [TS]

  point where they're a series arm [TS]

  processors past Intel's low-power [TS]

  processors the ones used in the regular [TS]

  macbook the ipad Monroe I know it's you [TS]

  know apples to oranges because its iOS [TS]

  vs mac OS but the fact that like you can [TS]

  get you get better geekbench scores on [TS]

  the ipad compared to the macbook is is [TS]

  in hindsight I i really think it's it's [TS]

  an inflection point because i think it's [TS]

  only going to get its going to diverge [TS]

  even more and I don't you know we don't [TS]

  have time for discussion of whether [TS]

  Apple's ever going to switch to those [TS]

  chips in the macbooks but it it's it [TS]

  given where the ipad started in 2011 or [TS]

  2010 where it was I mean there's all [TS]

  sorts of things to love about the [TS]

  original iPad it was a popular product [TS]

  was useful i liked it but you'd never [TS]

  say well it's faster than a Mac yeah and [TS]

  this one with the with the latest [TS]

  generation macbook the m3 version was [TS]

  choking on a single stream of 4k video [TS]

  for me where the ipad pro could fly on [TS]

  three streams and you just never you [TS]

  know at one thing and I want you know [TS]

  just to go back to the previous segment [TS]

  where I would you know why use loading a [TS]

  bunch of tabs over and over again as a [TS]

  benchmark it is a something real people [TS]

  do is load pages and web browser tabs [TS]

  but be it's easy to forget that [TS]

  rendering web pages is computationally [TS]

  expensive [TS]

  it is really really like WebKit and and [TS]

  chrome and those things they do an [TS]

  incredible amount of its CPU intensive [TS]

  to render HTML models modern HTML with [TS]

  all the JavaScript and everything that's [TS]

  going on and you see it on the ipad pro [TS]

  like when you browse the web on the ipad [TS]

  pro it's like it just feels fast where [TS]

  it you know in the early years of the [TS]

  ipad it was nice to read web pages on [TS]

  the ipad but it wasn't nice to load [TS]

  webpages on the ipad are all [TS]

  checkerboard friend that we couldn't [TS]

  keep up it will show you that until it [TS]

  finally under the page and now I never [TS]

  see that I and airports my number one is [TS]

  air pods which I that can't i still have [TS]

  to do a review and I was sort of waiting [TS]

  for production ones I was uneasy with [TS]

  the emphasis Apple placed on the these [TS]

  are pre-production prototypes on the [TS]

  ones they gave us back in October I was [TS]

  uneasy writing of authoritative review [TS]

  about them especially once it became [TS]

  clear that there was some sort of delay [TS]

  that we didn't know what it was with the [TS]

  production one to be different i have to [TS]

  say in real life I think the battery [TS]

  life is a little worse on the production [TS]

  once but it could be it could be a [TS]

  placebo effect i don't know i don't know [TS]

  if you've noticed that but i would say [TS]

  it it's just a little bit it's more like [TS]

  I don't know maybe it's like they run [TS]

  that the actual airport seem to run down [TS]

  a little bit more noticeably but the [TS]

  case seems to hold the same amount of [TS]

  charge [TS]

  I i spent a lot of time trying to figure [TS]

  out differences and I was like is this [TS]

  magnet just a little bit magnet or maybe [TS]

  other ones were not know named Agnes [TS]

  don't wear out it's just a little bit [TS]

  more and just try to figure out what was [TS]

  different but my usage has been almost [TS]

  identical I can't think of anything [TS]

  that's significantly different from [TS]

  right but you know other but the battery [TS]

  from getting on these production model [TS]

  ones is still terrific and so much [TS]

  better than the old beats pre w100 yeah [TS]

  headphones i had it's mind-boggling [TS]

  those i have to decide to charge like my [TS]

  phone like everyday and if I didn't I [TS]

  wouldn't be able to get through a run [TS]

  with with the charge these you just [TS]

  haven't plugged them in i've been [TS]

  testing it how long this lasts i haven't [TS]

  plugged the Lightning into the case and [TS]

  see where ground here [TS]

  so right now i think after like five [TS]

  days my air pods are a hundred percent [TS]

  and the cases at fifteen percent so i [TS]

  have to plug it in soon i guess but i [TS]

  can take their parts out right now [TS]

  there's a hundred percent and I haven't [TS]

  I haven't plug this in and days and days [TS]

  and days i'm the same way my cases I [TS]

  think it's seven percent right now that [TS]

  I alternate two weeks i usually listen [TS]

  to podcasts audiobooks I almost always [TS]

  only have one in india time and I just [TS]

  alternate between them at last four days [TS]

  alright I have an important tip for all [TS]

  of you who have their pots already or [TS]

  who are waiting for them to arrive [TS]

  I've seen one of the complaints I've see [TS]

  now that they've shipped to real people [TS]

  as I've seen people say that they're [TS]

  hard to get out of the case because [TS]

  they're little stairs slippery white [TS]

  plastic and people are pinching them and [TS]

  pulling them and the magnet that sucks [TS]

  the man is fighting them and let's be a [TS]

  little gross after you use them for a [TS]

  while they pick up some ear wax right [TS]

  they're only going to get slippery don't [TS]

  pinch them to take them out of the case [TS]

  put your finger like your index finger [TS]

  or your thumb right in the middle [TS]

  between the two [TS]

  in other words put your finger right [TS]

  over the the light that lights up and [TS]

  just press them to the outside and they [TS]

  just pop right out [TS]

  you don't have to pinch it's a [TS]

  one-finger thing you just put your [TS]

  finger in the middle pushed to the side [TS]

  and they just pop right out [TS]

  so there's my my hot tip of the day for [TS]

  airport users i love these things they [TS]

  are exactly there everything I love [TS]

  about Apple they it's it's the best [TS]

  purest apple product i can think of in [TS]

  years [TS]

  everything about them the way they work [TS]

  the way they pair the integration [TS]

  between hardware and software the way [TS]

  that they've solved the pairing problem [TS]

  the way they've improved it the the way [TS]

  the case is sort of the most Jony ive [TS]

  design thing [TS]

  yeah at first I think of anything that [TS]

  Apple's ever made ever get it you know [TS]

  people pointed out the turnaround looks [TS]

  a little bit like Eve mall which johnny [TS]

  I've consulted on the the tactile [TS]

  sensation the fun of just clicking the [TS]

  case and having it shut and briefly [TS]

  briefly there was a thing that you see [TS]

  this thing this week where people have [TS]

  speculated that the that the case was [TS]

  originally going to use USBC instead of [TS]

  lightning because when you put the [TS]

  lightning cable and you can kind of see [TS]

  the the sides a little bit of you know [TS]

  like the slot and if you just pulled the [TS]

  USBC cable up it looks like it's the [TS]

  same with and people at loaves and so [TS]

  that guess the idea is that Apple made [TS]

  millions of these cases with a slot [TS]

  meant for us bc on the jacket on [TS]

  I hate this so much because this is [TS]

  what's exactly wrong with the internet [TS]

  didn't know know if you if you actually [TS]

  take the airport and you put a knife [TS]

  underneath it it is exactly the same [TS]

  port right you if you don't see the gap [TS]

  between the sides of the cable and the [TS]

  the slot on the iPhone because the [TS]

  iphones darker it's the fact that yes is [TS]

  why that makes it noticeable but people [TS]

  blog that I mean someone put them on [TS]

  Twitter and people and I had to go and [TS]

  write an article saying know if you [TS]

  actually look at it and you know I i [TS]

  have to go to bed an hour late that [TS]

  night because i have to write that [TS]

  article everything is that the with the [TS]

  the with matches up exactly with the [TS]

  width of us bc which is curious except [TS]

  for the fact that USBC is just a vaguely [TS]

  lightning [TS]

  sighs port so of course it's similar but [TS]

  because it's exactly the same with then [TS]

  it means it's not wide enough for it to [TS]

  fit know the whole has to be wider than [TS]

  the the plug and please don't try to [TS]

  force it because you're the italy right [TS]

  bad don't don't follow and then the [TS]

  second factor is that height wise in [TS]

  other words how thick you know not how [TS]

  wide the plug is about how thick it is [TS]

  it's nowhere near it's nowhere near a [TS]

  wide enough for us bc you can't even fit [TS]

  the corner of a USBC cable into this [TS]

  socket it's nowhere near wide enough [TS]

  yeah I heard it it's complete nonsense [TS]

  i'm not gonna waste any more time on [TS]

  there's absolutely zero truth this and [TS]

  you just proved it just by trying to fit [TS]

  the corner of a USBC thing in there but [TS]

  the second thing is that if Apple [TS]

  switched from us bc 2 r2 lightning they [TS]

  would have changed the size of the port [TS]

  in hardware like that's not like they [TS]

  make 50 million cases before they make [TS]

  50 million internals it's though it is [TS]

  exactly the Lightning port that they [TS]

  have used for devices going back from [TS]

  the beginning of light and there is no [TS]

  difference [TS]

  it's a nonsense center in its its its [TS]

  equivalent fake news it's i forget what [TS]

  Fraser Spears called it manufactured [TS]

  controversy right [TS]

  yes exactly everybody loves a conspiracy [TS]

  even if the conspiracy is that they [TS]

  switched from USB see the lightning [TS]

  ya know never happened and I I'd can't [TS]

  imagine how hard the eyes rolled at [TS]

  apple and if this even may die but they [TS]

  probably just looked at the internet and [TS]

  closed it at that point they're all [TS]

  right anymore one more product from you [TS]

  what you got [TS]

  i watch us 3i think just to get on the [TS]

  software side because he took even the [TS]

  original apple watch the series 0 and [TS]

  made it so much more responsive and so [TS]

  much more alive and yes they spent you [TS]

  know battery life and memory to do it [TS]

  but it sort of showed the refinement of [TS]

  what watch us could be when they when [TS]

  they sort of focus down on it yeah [TS]

  that's as it's a great pic i think [TS]

  there's a top-four that that is at the [TS]

  Year in Review [TS]

  I think it's a perfect top for I [TS]

  probably wouldn't have picked watch os3 [TS]

  just cuz it wouldnt popped into my mind [TS]

  but once you said it was like oh yes [TS]

  definitely and I I'd i think that the [TS]

  fact that it made the the original [TS]

  series 0 watches so much better is the [TS]

  best example of it it's that it's not [TS]

  just an improvement for the new hardware [TS]

  but that if you already own an Apple [TS]

  watch my recommendation is strongly know [TS]

  there's no reason for you to buy a new [TS]

  one yes the new ones are nice [TS]

  improvement especially the brighter [TS]

  displays but unless your biggest [TS]

  complaint with your original apple watch [TS]

  is that you can't read the display and [TS]

  sunlight if if that's a frequent problem [TS]

  for you [TS]

  the new one might be worth it but that's [TS]

  the one and only reason i'll add one [TS]

  more and that is the 30-millimeter if [TS]

  you have trouble getting a day of [TS]

  battery life with work out the [TS]

  30-millimeter series 2 is much better [TS]

  for four workouts [TS]

  yeah that is that was a problem and [TS]

  maybe watching us three didn't solve it [TS]

  but anyway it's a terrific update [TS]

  because it's not just fix this thing [TS]

  doesn't just make things better but it [TS]

  really shows a thorough rethinking of of [TS]

  the way that everything about the [TS]

  interface of the watch and it was [TS]

  involved them humbly stepping back from [TS]

  some things like no we have guessed the [TS]

  hardware button shouldn't just be a way [TS]

  to doodle your friends it's totally yeah [TS]

  so anyway that's a great pic anything [TS]

  else Renee I mean it was it was a [TS]

  jam-packed year and there's still a few [TS]

  days left [TS]

  I worried I as we speak the news of the [TS]

  day is the sad passing of care yessir [TS]

  and so I with the way things are going [TS]

  with George Michael and Carrie Fisher [TS]

  it's like I i really hope there is no [TS]

  more news for the remainder of the year [TS]

  because so far the year-end news has [TS]

  been nothing but absolute garbage [TS]

  yes yeah first the worst that the [TS]

  universe can dump on us [TS]

  I i made a a comment on Twitter [TS]

  yesterday that i'm an optimist because i [TS]

  have to be otherwise I just assume that [TS]

  everyone was fleeing and that's the only [TS]

  possible explanation I have anymore [TS]

  Carrie Fisher seemed like a wonderful [TS]

  person and and the fact that it's well i [TS]

  mean i love the movies she's very funny [TS]

  but the fact that she wore her mental [TS]

  illness and our fights with that with [TS]

  that honor sleep just was like proud of [TS]

  it was at it it's so great and I've seen [TS]

  so many people on Twitter who maybe have [TS]

  to deal with some issues along those [TS]

  lines that what how amazing it was to [TS]

  have one of the most well-known [TS]

  actresses in the world just be out there [TS]

  and yeah I'm bipolar and you know that [TS]

  that's deal with it and instead of you [TS]

  know from decades past where that would [TS]

  be like a source of shame what it what a [TS]

  wonderful person and a wonderful life [TS]

  and what had horrendous horrendous loss [TS]

  you heard I at the age of 16 he was an [TS]

  inspiration in so many ways I princess [TS]

  leia was [TS]

  leia was [TS]

  just want a very small part of what you [TS]

  contributed I can't help but then again [TS]

  I don't mean to make light of the above [TS]

  her dying but it has a star wars are you [TS]

  can't help but think too good god this [TS]

  is going to change the new trilogy [TS]

  ya know what they're going to do ya mean [TS]

  general legana was in many ways the full [TS]

  the fullness of that character right and [TS]

  how weird is it going to be next year [TS]

  going to see episode 8 where she's in it [TS]

  yeah and you know how sad that is [TS]

  I don't know that i'm trying to think I [TS]

  guess there was the Fast and Furious [TS]

  movie were Paul whatever paul weller [TS]

  diet in a car accident in between [TS]

  filming I guess they weren't finished [TS]

  filming it and added they had to bring [TS]

  his brothers into you know if he [TS]

  apparently had some brothers look like a [TS]

  melody they came in and branches Leon [TS]

  agro I mean this is just sort of your [TS]

  rambles it's just going to be a real [TS]

  kick in that mean forget about whatever [TS]

  it means 4 episode 9 with whether she [TS]

  was going to be in or not but it's just [TS]

  going to be what a kick in the pants is [TS]

  going to be again in a year when episode [TS]

  8 comes out and all of a sudden the [TS]

  first time you see on screen there's [TS]

  that the sinking feeling in your gut of [TS]

  you know who knows i got presumably i'm [TS]

  just guessing i have no idea but no [TS]

  spoilers this is just a guess but [TS]

  presumably she's going to see Luke in [TS]

  the movie and there's gonna be like a [TS]

  hug and wow they haven't seen each other [TS]

  and forever and it's supposed to be this [TS]

  happy moment the film and while being [TS]

  the theater like really crawling yeah [TS]

  she's dead and just even just her [TS]

  Twitter commentary was absolutely [TS]

  priceless it i could you read it I had [TS]

  such a hard time reading it was almost [TS]

  like to me like deciphering a puzzle I [TS]

  almost enjoyed it like like solving like [TS]

  a little mini five-by-five word word [TS]

  game was a lesbian she she sacrificed [TS]

  her privacy to try to help people and [TS]

  then incredibly noble she used to for [TS]

  those who don't have her tweets should [TS]

  substitute at like every emoji possible [TS]

  including like the word combination once [TS]

  I Cairo or tweets are like this weird [TS]

  mishmash of frozen emoji yet incredibly [TS]

  forthright though [TS]

  yeah well happy new year to you happy [TS]

  new year holidays [TS]

  thank you for doing this thanks it's [TS]

  become a mini tradition to do the year [TS]

  in review with you [TS]

  okay i love it every year [TS]

  well I'll see you soon I hope absolutely [TS]

  alright thank you and thanks [TS]