The Talk Show

175: ‘Uncle Joe’s Bathtub Gin’, With Special Guest Glenn Fleishman

 

  what an amazing technology indoor [TS]

  plumbing is yet you're Steven Johnson [TS]

  fan right [TS]

  yes yes so you know his book ghost map [TS]

  from several years ago decade ago 2006 [TS]

  it was about the the fellow who [TS]

  basically invented epidemiology yeah and [TS]

  but it also has a really long discussion [TS]

  about how before I mean there's indoor [TS]

  plumbing then this is actually when we [TS]

  had generated indoor plumbing in cities [TS]

  how what happened to all the effluvia [TS]

  where'd it go [TS]

  are all these specialized professions to [TS]

  deal with like night soil and other [TS]

  types of there were various products and [TS]

  various people his professions were to [TS]

  handle the products of society and its [TS]

  really incredible like that like the [TS]

  book is great that's about sort of how [TS]

  empirical science becomes a thing that [TS]

  we then start to rely on it changes the [TS]

  nature of medicine and health but it's [TS]

  also like wow there are a lot of people [TS]

  employed dealing with shit in London I [TS]

  mean you have to you have to be well [TS]

  it's if you think about it it's not just [TS]

  I I at first thought it often just seems [TS]

  like wow that would be inconvenient but [TS]

  but the volume right that it oh man this [TS]

  smells right like it's like once a year [TS]

  so i end up having to go in like a [TS]

  port-a-potty for some reason or another [TS]

  you know i'm at some sort of event where [TS]

  you've got to go in a porta potty and [TS]

  port-a-potty technology i think has it [TS]

  been enhanced significant degree where [TS]

  where where there's that blue stuff [TS]

  that's in the hole that I think does [TS]

  take care of an awful lot of the [TS]

  unpleasant odors of just releasing your [TS]

  your waist into all literally just like [TS]

  a big bucket the tent cabin to cabin tip [TS]

  ad campaign recently and experience more [TS]

  sort of filled the train style [TS]

  right but that was different it always [TS]

  occurs to me that that was what going to [TS]

  the bathroom was like every single time [TS]

  i went to the bathroom [TS]

  oh yeah I try to think like when we [TS]

  think about the past we think about [TS]

  inconveniences and I think about horses [TS]

  and money streets and all that like that [TS]

  we watching westworld just finished up I [TS]

  i have watched westworld then this [TS]

  the series is extraordinary I think the [TS]

  finale is great i really really like [TS]

  that we have an episode coming out on [TS]

  the incomparable about the whole with [TS]

  awful spoilers and but you know that's [TS]

  the vision of the West but it's really [TS]

  neat and clean so that you're shooting [TS]

  each other and there's fornication and [TS]

  so forth but there is no horse manure on [TS]

  the streets of Rascals cleaned up have [TS]

  often thought the thing that we can't [TS]

  replicate we think about the past is the [TS]

  smell right and then and that constant [TS]

  mass like everything was dirty and [TS]

  everything smelled until like 1910 or 89 [TS]

  hear something like that and then [TS]

  started to improve gradually and then by [TS]

  the nineteen-thirties cities smelled a [TS]

  lot less and by the fifties it was sort [TS]

  of like it things smelled something was [TS]

  terribly terribly wrong right I've heard [TS]

  maybe was even in the steven johnson [TS]

  book but I it now it makes sense but [TS]

  like it didn't like the late at the turn [TS]

  of the last century the streets of major [TS]

  cities like new york and philadelphia in [TS]

  London were just it ever just curb to [TS]

  curb horseshit [TS]

  this isn't fixing it was just the [TS]

  streets were just paved with a layer of [TS]

  horseshit because there was no way to [TS]

  keep up with her [TS]

  john is a metaphor for this year it [TS]

  could be i sort of feel like that's what [TS]

  we're talking about one thing with [TS]

  another but I did think that westworld I [TS]

  i thought that it was weird that the [TS]

  that they never addressed that the sort [TS]

  of the roughing it aspects of I mean I [TS]

  did this is not a spoiler the basic [TS]

  concept of the show is not a spoiler [TS]

  that it's at some point in the future [TS]

  there's like a theme park where people [TS]

  go and for a lot of money you get to [TS]

  pretend to live in the Old West for a [TS]

  couple of days and there's action and [TS]

  adventure that you can take part it but [TS]

  it's yet nobody mentions that you know [TS]

  you gotta go shit in and out [TS]

  yeah it's pretty it's a very it's clean [TS]

  i mean there's there's a lot of there's [TS]

  some lot of certain bodily fluids mostly [TS]

  blood but there's no other kinds of [TS]

  bodily fluids [TS]

  yeah there's a sense of responsibility [TS]

  thing like there's things you can't [TS]

  those things you can't do and talk about [TS]

  even on HBO [TS]

  apparently which is good but yeah it was [TS]

  kind of supposed to be a theme park so [TS]

  for all we know [TS]

  hidden in the bushes were like you know [TS]

  little parties that broke the spirit but [TS]

  I i think yeah I think that's the thing [TS]

  that people don't get people who can't [TS]

  know about this of course because they [TS]

  deal with that you go in the woods your [TS]

  hunter you like to go to camp and you're [TS]

  in areas that have no facilities at all [TS]

  you know but most of us do not have to [TS]

  deal with the basic human reality is [TS]

  that people did for billions of years or [TS]

  hundreds of millions of years from say [TS]

  alright and IA it's it's getting cold in [TS]

  Philadelphia it's it's very cold today I [TS]

  mean I'm not quite sure how cold but it [TS]

  certainly felt cold when i was outside [TS]

  and it's like a match but i had to go [TS]

  outside every time to take a leak man we [TS]

  had a introduce snow in seattle which is [TS]

  just no cops no apocalypse for us so we [TS]

  strapped down not getting in that mostly [TS]

  melted but they start the school's two [TS]

  hours late because the bus routes be [TS]

  very steep hills so whenever it snows [TS]

  they don't can't really send the buses [TS]

  up there on snow routes and it's sort of [TS]

  a safety for that rather than like we're [TS]

  on the streets are impassable so they [TS]

  don't want to have having bus plunges [TS]

  not a headline you want to see bad did [TS]

  you ever watch deadwood I didn't I heard [TS]

  it was fantastic i think it came out [TS]

  when i had small children so I never [TS]

  really got when you have to have that [TS]

  was on HBO wasn't that was on HBO [TS]

  thousand 4 2016 mr. i bought HBO now i'm [TS]

  subscribing specifically to watch [TS]

  westworld so in those days I would have [TS]

  to pay the cable thing you can probably [TS]

  get did would then right i think that [TS]

  the helio has keeps most of the road [TS]

  shows in there [TS]

  yeah it I this it's you have to know [TS]

  this going idea i thought was a [TS]

  marvelous show i really loved it i was a [TS]

  big fan was created by a guy named david [TS]

  milch who was i guessed it was like [TS]

  before people called showrunner show her [TS]

  but he was the guy behind NYPD Blue [TS]

  which was back in the nineties probably [TS]

  the first serious TV show that I ever [TS]

  really fell in love with and it was [TS]

  weird because it was a network show and [TS]

  I guess it was fairly cheap to produce [TS]

  and it went on forever and ever [TS]

  long past when it was and I kept [TS]

  watching because i liked it enough but [TS]

  it's sort of my pd blue sort of ended [TS]

  with a whisper because it just told ya [TS]

  that was the worst thing resist having [TS]

  it was on for like 10 years or something [TS]

  like that but but it was a great show [TS]

  and still had you know there was enough [TS]

  good in of characters to you know make [TS]

  the direct couple of episodes of season [TS]

  that were always good but it was it was [TS]

  kind of our end it on that was on ABC [TS]

  and those ABC shows had to do like 22 [TS]

  shows a year which is too much like part [TS]

  of the secret of the modern resident RR [TS]

  renaissance in like movie quality TV [TS]

  shows is that they only do like 10 [TS]

  episodes at a time and sometimes not [TS]

  even once a year might take 18 months to [TS]

  get the next ten episodes out [TS]

  mm there's a sort of quality instead of [TS]

  quantity aspect to these HBO's and that [TS]

  only works season 2 of Westworld is [TS]

  coming out in 2018 right but although i [TS]

  think is there a little sequential thing [TS]

  like they sort of they played a little [TS]

  by ear i don't know when they got the [TS]

  renewal request but I'm ready westworld [TS]

  has been i think one of the most popular [TS]

  shows i'm sure games the throne swamp [TS]

  set but they I think they are okay at [TS]

  HBO they're very good about funding [TS]

  things with no strings attached to her [TS]

  and I keep reading about other such a [TS]

  they're amazing organization by just [TS]

  saying they don't throw money at [TS]

  something but they trust around they [TS]

  trust people right and but they don't [TS]

  think they gave them the dollars for [TS]

  season two are really fully committed [TS]

  until is underway in the showrunners [TS]

  with Nolan enjoy your saying we need [TS]

  time to do this right there to stop [TS]

  production twice to do some will be [TS]

  truly I think once was kind of tool up [TS]

  in the other was to sort of rejigger [TS]

  because they realized it'd gotten some [TS]

  mechanics wrong and they want to fix [TS]

  those which is admirable and they had [TS]

  the freedom to do that which is [TS]

  incredible in areas on the narrative [TS]

  mechanics [TS]

  that's right what do you want some [TS]

  mechanics oh well I think world [TS]

  mechanics apparently they built ugly [TS]

  built the world we need it's really [TS]

  clear watching the whole season [TS]

  that they really understood what it was [TS]

  about they had an argument a circle they [TS]

  had there are time bombs in episode one [TS]

  that pay off in 10 and remember to the [TS]

  interim so I trust them having watched [TS]

  it but i think they had the freedom to [TS]

  go back and say you know we thought the [TS]

  world was going to work i mean this is [TS]

  what they said something along the lines [TS]

  we thought this is how the world worked [TS]

  and then we realized that changed by [TS]

  episodes and he was 13 when he was [TS]

  really more they had elements that were [TS]

  now wrong inside their ecosystem so they [TS]

  reshot and fix them so they're [TS]

  consistent and I'm thinking how [TS]

  wonderful they did that had the time to [TS]

  do it that's the conscientious they had [TS]

  an incredible thing and I'm sure the [TS]

  show benefited from xsellize especially [TS]

  with the level of attention i can you [TS]

  imagine episode 5 years like not well [TS]

  excuse me episode 3 they bled from the [TS]

  left turn around we know that's not true [TS]

  in West world [TS]

  yeah i'm actually anyway [TS]

  west of the thing about Deadwood to go [TS]

  back one digression was that Deadwood [TS]

  roundup getting cancelled before and [TS]

  they didn't even have time to give it a [TS]

  proper like finals know so it's just [TS]

  sort of ends so it's I want to warn [TS]

  anybody before they get into it that [TS]

  it's a very dissatisfying ending [TS]

  it's like you don't don't go into it [TS]

  looking for any kind of complete loop on [TS]

  any other characters or anything you [TS]

  just kind of have to take it for what it [TS]

  is but anyway [TS]

  deadwood was a Western took place in [TS]

  based on real real people actually in [TS]

  Deadwood South Dakota and it was a bit [TS]

  was probably with the grittiest Western [TS]

  I've ever seen where there was some shit [TS]

  on that streets you know and and they [TS]

  showed people you know urinating out in [TS]

  the middle of the street and stuff like [TS]

  that and a baroque swearing I heard her [TS]

  just all this incredible eloquent yeah [TS]

  yeah it's that it's probably the [TS]

  greatest the Al Swearengen is based on a [TS]

  real character like a real person but it [TS]

  was it's gross the filter its map I've [TS]

  ever heard his poetry man [TS]

  uh so i guess i don't spoil westward you [TS]

  can't can't really talk details about [TS]

  anything but i generally I think I [TS]

  thought it was aight i really enjoyed it [TS]

  a lot and i'm actually up to episode [TS]

  there's 10 episodes in the season i'm [TS]

  actually up to episode 3 rewatching it [TS]

  oh that's good i haven't gone back and [TS]

  watched some episodes twice when they [TS]

  came out and I haven't really watched [TS]

  the whole thing [TS]

  Kelly came on to enter and up Don [TS]

  melitón have a podcast actually called [TS]

  was a hello from the uncanny valley it's [TS]

  now in the comfortable network but [TS]

  they've done they did episodes they [TS]

  started a little late [TS]

  they did a bunch of episodes about the [TS]

  show and now the way to rewatch and do [TS]

  more episodes about it because we got a [TS]

  whole year to kill so they'll be doing [TS]

  more but it's it's one of those things [TS]

  like the usual suspects where when you [TS]

  re watch it and you know future plot [TS]

  twists and then you watch and you're [TS]

  like oh I totally set that up it's there [TS]

  so many like moments like that in the [TS]

  first few episodes that play completely [TS]

  differently just throwaway lines and [TS]

  it's it's all of a sudden it I first [TS]

  time watching it you didn't even notice [TS]

  the line of dialogue but then the second [TS]

  time it gives you chills [TS]

  it's like whoa that's creepy because you [TS]

  know they have that you didn't know them [TS]

  it's that layering it's like I think you [TS]

  can tell when something this is always [TS]

  my thing I actually feel this way about [TS]

  software to as you can tell with stuff [TS]

  is rich and deep when people go back and [TS]

  it works it works in literature it works [TS]

  in filmed entertainment it works in [TS]

  software there's the discovery and [TS]

  there's the richness so you go and you [TS]

  look at something and you find out that [TS]

  what you thought was a certain depth is [TS]

  deeper and deeper because they went they [TS]

  later they were back around around [TS]

  around and you know you can overworked [TS]

  staff to like a bad cooking a bad done [TS]

  when you're baking but if it's done [TS]

  right the richness kind of like comes up [TS]

  from the bottom and the more you pay [TS]

  attention the Richer it becomes and what [TS]

  do you think you would like to like if [TS]

  you were in that future would you like [TS]

  to go on vacation to westworld it's a [TS]

  great question because right this is the [TS]

  you know are you William or are you [TS]

  I don't give any spoilers away are you [TS]

  another character in the show other [TS]

  makers like I don't know that I would [TS]

  because I think this is the i think [TS]

  people have different amounts of [TS]

  dopamine in the brain right there are [TS]

  different ways of expressing to [TS]

  information and and other chemicals that [TS]

  give us happiness and there's people who [TS]

  get great joy in their life out of like [TS]

  doing ice cliff climbing right and I [TS]

  don't need that I had this kind of [TS]

  natural brain chemistry and Barry [TS]

  fortunate i'm where i think i am not far [TS]

  off the night when I have a success in [TS]

  my life I'm doing something that I [TS]

  really enjoy doing and feeling very good [TS]

  about my performance doing it I think I [TS]

  achieve maybe ninety percent of ice [TS]

  cliff climbing I don't really need that [TS]

  extra ten percent if you need some [TS]

  people it's not even thrill-seekers it's [TS]

  more like a way to achieve a certain [TS]

  state of like advanced happiness [TS]

  requires doing something extreme and I [TS]

  think West world is that it's a great [TS]

  representation of that because you know [TS]

  right now that used to be something like [TS]

  you know just to say that he will go to [TS]

  Thailand or they go to other places [TS]

  where there was a you know demi-monde or [TS]

  really off-the-grid kind of quality and [TS]

  they can pay for anything they want they [TS]

  can do things they might be able to harm [TS]

  other people that go to bare-knuckle [TS]

  fighting and not worse [TS]

  westworld is kind of encapsulation is [TS]

  like a cleaned-up version of it where [TS]

  you know it's not giving anything away [TS]

  to say that there are robots called [TS]

  hosts you look very very human or [TS]

  Android they're indistinguishable [TS]

  essentially and you can do stuff to [TS]

  android doesn't count right here in this [TS]

  other place it's you know what happens [TS]

  when schools stays in West world and i [TS]

  don't think i have that desire to i like [TS]

  the idea of being able to step outside [TS]

  myself into a different time if i was [TS]

  going to explore like something like [TS]

  Colonial Williamsburg that was westworld [TS]

  quality and are part of the story that [TS]

  sounds interesting but i don't really [TS]

  have the desire to leap into a less [TS]

  controlled environment there's actually [TS]

  a series of books called starts with the [TS]

  many-colored land by Mary are seven and [TS]

  lemay I'm blanking on the name [TS]

  outstanding Pia I it's a future where [TS]

  again this isn't a spoiler could this [TS]

  explain the first few pages the it's a [TS]

  future beyond ours which things are much [TS]

  more advanced and totally civilized and [TS]

  a small collective community of [TS]

  different species that interact very [TS]

  well and it's very boring and there's no [TS]

  risk and people are definitely boring [TS]

  and someone discovers a tiny portal to [TS]

  the past it's a one-way portal takes you [TS]

  six million years into the police teen I [TS]

  think and the idea is that when you walk [TS]

  through it you'll never come back [TS]

  there's no way to return and so a lot of [TS]

  people they actually government tries to [TS]

  repress it then they set it up is kind [TS]

  of an exile thing people who really want [TS]

  a totally uncontrolled experience [TS]

  they're not allowed to take the [TS]

  technology back just their own knowledge [TS]

  and they go there and it was it's [TS]

  actually a really beautiful exploration [TS]

  that same kind of thing like West world [TS]

  is that like all right I want to go [TS]

  someplace where the normal rules don't [TS]

  apply but there are no consequences so [TS]

  Julian me I'm sorry surname I would just [TS]

  go to West world has my question do you [TS]

  want the west-world experience I it's a [TS]

  very close call for me I i would note no [TS]

  joking i have no desire to have a sexual [TS]

  intercourse with an android no matter [TS]

  how realistic for the same reason that [TS]

  because it if if they're not super [TS]

  realistic it's gross and if they're [TS]

  indistinguishable from humans it's [TS]

  indistinguishable from cheating on your [TS]

  wife [TS]

  exactly i don't agree I I know I so [TS]

  they're going back to have sex with a [TS]

  robot Booker's now I probably look for [TS]

  coming through right but but they're [TS]

  very nice so I might I might chat them [TS]

  up at the bar because they're very [TS]

  they're all very good talkers and i [TS]

  would i would enjoy having a drink with [TS]

  Maeve but that part now I you know [TS]

  here's a secret i've read vibrating [TS]

  accounts of sex workers sex workers say [TS]

  they spend a lot of time talking to [TS]

  their clients there there are some sex [TS]

  work sex work to say most of the [TS]

  regulars they don't actually have any [TS]

  form of sexual contact with them they [TS]

  just need somebody they can pay to talk [TS]

  to and they want to go to a therapist [TS]

  and I have a long-term relationship with [TS]

  that's that's the case so that would be [TS]

  totally within the scope I think of the [TS]

  wonderful design [TS]

  yeah let go and talk to an intelligent [TS]

  robot about whatever with the whole [TS]

  spark right and i would I like to go [TS]

  back and have like an adventure where I [TS]

  to go out with the crew and and try to [TS]

  catch a bandit and you know shoot him [TS]

  dead [TS]

  knowing that you know that if i get shot [TS]

  it's more like getting hit by a [TS]

  paintball type thing I maybe I think [TS]

  when I was younger definitely because I [TS]

  used to you know I was never serious [TS]

  about it but I've played paintball a [TS]

  couple of times and had fun doing it and [TS]

  I don't know that I at age 43 I don't [TS]

  know my butt my my time for stuff like [TS]

  that is the slave / skydiving but it [TS]

  also seems like there's other people [TS]

  there who are just sort of exploring [TS]

  right remember the family that that [TS]

  there was a black family with that small [TS]

  child who met Dolores down by the river [TS]

  one yeah yeah so it seems like there are [TS]

  people who go there not to do for any [TS]

  kind of debauchery but just you know [TS]

  like a family vacation like let's go [TS]

  right i do think i think that it's a [TS]

  very thoughtful show I there were I I I [TS]

  regretted it to some degree where I [TS]

  started reading the whole thing the [TS]

  wrap-up shows that go into detail and [TS]

  people taking screen captures there was [TS]

  one point where they have these ipad [TS]

  like devices which I think we're pretty [TS]

  well done there [TS]

  they're very thin but not quite see [TS]

  through but they also are like try [TS]

  faults like a trifold wallet so they [TS]

  kind of fold oh yeah they fold up to be [TS]

  like a maybe like a like an iphone plus [TS]

  type thing and then you can unfold it [TS]

  twice and get more of an ipad style [TS]

  thing and somebody took a screen capture [TS]

  at one point of one of them in it that [TS]

  that seem to say that the show takes [TS]

  place in 21 the 21 fifties or 2500 or [TS]

  something attention that testing for [TS]

  2050 20 sounds more reasonable because [TS]

  well I don't even oh that's great 50 [TS]

  because you're looking at what the [TS]

  culture is of the employees the players [TS]

  are really sequestered at the park they [TS]

  seem that we all live there that's where [TS]

  they do you know they don't seem to go [TS]

  anywhere [TS]

  alright I think that I don't know the [TS]

  screenshot really indicates I don't know [TS]

  you know I think they do pay attention [TS]

  to details who knows if that's right but [TS]

  I think gut feeling is that when the [TS]

  show it it clear [TS]

  isn't like super far in the future but [TS]

  it's clearly significantly beyond where [TS]

  we are [TS]

  yeah i like the computers I like the [TS]

  presentation of technology in it and oh [TS]

  you know the thing that I think is the [TS]

  best telling detail they got right is [TS]

  the way Anthony Hopkins controls [TS]

  androids that you love that it's all [TS]

  yeah he does one finger when he just [TS]

  says that's enough now Andy to say the [TS]

  normal tone of voice is like a serious [TS]

  thing he doesn't have to say android 75 [TS]

  halls action and proceeded to program 5b [TS]

  which is what I feel like everything in [TS]

  the nineteen seventies would have been I [TS]

  saw a funny cartoon on Twitter the other [TS]

  day where somebody is just somebody was [TS]

  talking to somebody else and they didn't [TS]

  like where the person was going and they [TS]

  just said analysis shannon woodward who [TS]

  is one of the cast members the show I [TS]

  follow on twitter and I'd without giving [TS]

  any spoilers the one of the interesting [TS]

  things in the show is you get to the end [TS]

  of season one you're like whatever [TS]

  happened to like did they really so [TS]

  there's people we don't know who has [TS]

  contracts for season 2 it there are [TS]

  clearly things planted that make it [TS]

  clear and if you go there's a westworld [TS]

  a site for de los the parent company of [TS]

  his last world and there's details being [TS]

  revealed like they must have a one-year [TS]

  plus social media like marketing plan [TS]

  because they are already like leaking [TS]

  stop and you have to go through it's [TS]

  like a little online adventure stuff and [TS]

  down so Shannon Woodward posted this [TS]

  very funny thing she plays the LC in the [TS]

  shows what the behavioral technicians [TS]

  works directly for one of my favorite [TS]

  caring person [TS]

  yeah she's great she's great and I you [TS]

  know I get no spoilers I loved her early [TS]

  in the season and she's also very [TS]

  righteous person on Twitter so great to [TS]

  follow because she's very an active in [TS]

  promoting firm you know things like [TS]

  justice equality but she treated [TS]

  something last night she said my dad who [TS]

  was real programmer was excited to see [TS]

  how Siri had been updated [TS]

  he said to Siri analysis and Cirie [TS]

  dumped out a bunch of hacks and her [TS]

  father I think her father recognized it [TS]

  for what you see what to read it it's um [TS]

  único text and if you look it up it's a [TS]

  bunch of emoji that relate to the show [TS]

  really yeah if you if you say to siri if [TS]

  you say [TS]

  you can ask your questions that are sort [TS]

  of Westworld is related and she will [TS]

  respond and say things like that doesn't [TS]

  look like anything to me huh [TS]

  so they updated it right away I think I [TS]

  don't know what happened earlier with [TS]

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  ah what is the second time i guess [TS]

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  very lovely audience when you have to [TS]

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  to use the money that sponsors and they [TS]

  have different tiers of booze like you [TS]

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  you know it you know you could do it but [TS]

  I get the top-shelf booze you know like [TS]

  the name brand you know vodka and stuff [TS]

  like that like instead of you know Uncle [TS]

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  though it's gotten the other way around [TS]

  now like there's it's like I think when [TS]

  we were kids like like if the gym was [TS]

  made locally it's like watch out you [TS]

  know it's like a better schedule a trip [TS]

  to the eye doctor because you may go [TS]

  blind [TS]

  whereas now there are so many craft [TS]

  distilleries and I can't even tell you i [TS]

  was just looking the other day there's a [TS]

  section in the liquor store here where [TS]

  it's like made in Pennsylvania and [TS]

  there's so many so many genes being made [TS]

  in Pennsylvania and they all have like [TS]

  these amazingly exquisite design labels [TS]

  you know they all look excellent it's [TS]

  not you know like the local stuff is [TS]

  expensive now it's not it's not me i had [TS]

  a friend who wanted to start years ago [TS]

  like it was it almost 20 years ago he [TS]

  wanted to start a local craft distillery [TS]

  as a distill pub no such thing existed [TS]

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  had run you know brewpubs and worked in [TS]

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  to buy this bar in the georgetown area [TS]

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  spot that bars operated during [TS]

  Prohibition that was very weird [TS]

  exception or exclusion or scam or [TS]

  something so it's like the longest [TS]

  operating bar in North continuously [TS]

  operating bar in north america he was [TS]

  almost it was going to try to buy it [TS]

  with investors [TS]

  turn it to the state's first still [TS]

  probably one of the first ones in the [TS]

  country i think maybe at the time and [TS]

  they couldn't pull it off because no one [TS]

  had a license it but now it's like I [TS]

  don't know if you had another are still [TS]

  parts I've seen places I don't they they [TS]

  call it so you still plan to stop the [TS]

  right word but I know you mean place the [TS]

  unix command still pub but you have any [TS]

  place that are doing like certain kinds [TS]

  of liquor on site which is which is [TS]

  going it's really cool it's like you [TS]

  know this is we're trying we we sort of [TS]

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  are things about the 19th century that [TS]

  we idealize and we'd like the neat clean [TS]

  cool component of it because it seems [TS]

  more real to us [TS]

  yeah it's just another one of those [TS]

  little things that makes me feel like I [TS]

  was born at the right time I i have off [TS]

  i don't know i may be at its maybe it's [TS]

  my personality where if whenever I had [TS]

  been born whether it was the future or [TS]

  further in the pass side it just I would [TS]

  have I have a personality type or i [TS]

  would think i was born at the right time [TS]

  but just little things like the fact [TS]

  that guy was around as a kid when [TS]

  computers were super simple and you can [TS]

  totally understand in the entirety of [TS]

  how the computer worked as i get a [TS]

  twelve-year-old i love that like there's [TS]

  a part of me that is a little jealous [TS]

  that like my son is you know growing up [TS]

  in a world where you know at the age of [TS]

  twelve he's got a macbook pro I mean [TS]

  what would have been very impressive to [TS]

  12 year old John Gruber but I feel like [TS]

  it was right for me that it was you know [TS]

  that I was clacking away on an apple 2e [TS]

  at school you know that my [TS]

  twelve-year-old is like programming in [TS]

  JavaScript and and other stuff and I'm [TS]

  like you know it well I was like [TS]

  soldering rs-232c ports on my no 8k [TS]

  computer so i feel bad i mean i'll open [TS]

  up a computer to change something out [TS]

  the kids freak out slightly can you [TS]

  really do that i'm not like it's illegal [TS]

  but more like like what that breaking [TS]

  I'm like no no you can actually fix [TS]

  things you could sort of but is it in [TS]

  terms of consumable beverages [TS]

  I I like to drink coffee but I like [TS]

  really really really good coffee and a [TS]

  generation ago that there was no sense [TS]

  they I mean out and realized there were [TS]

  some people who kept the art of it alive [TS]

  but as a mass-market product you know [TS]

  like [TS]

  people went into the supermarket and [TS]

  bought a canon Maxwell that I think is [TS]

  the best time in history alive for [TS]

  coffee because for most of copies [TS]

  history it was not made well except in [TS]

  limited places if you get the beans and [TS]

  it's all there you go being right just [TS]

  the right spot at the right time but [TS]

  when we were kids the coffee that are [TS]

  their strengths wasn't even made out of [TS]

  our average a radical beans it was all [TS]

  good it's made out of steel doesn't even [TS]

  really coffee it was made out of some [TS]

  other like weird cheeping it with a [TS]

  chicory basis of some tylenol there's [TS]

  some difference [TS]

  yeah I could ask Marco I'm sure use a [TS]

  brown crud melted brown crayons and [TS]

  water there's this flavor of the basic [TS]

  story is that good coffee from a radical [TS]

  beans needs a certain kind of climate [TS]

  and a certain type of atmosphere and [TS]

  that's why tends to grow at the top of [TS]

  mountains and in certain you know [TS]

  regions of the world where the [TS]

  temperatures right here it is very [TS]

  particular about where it will go well [TS]

  and then there's another type of coffee [TS]

  bean that will grow and anywhere and [TS]

  that's like what the copy of like the [TS]

  late twentieth you know this post world [TS]

  war two 20th century America was was [TS]

  made out of because it was super cheap [TS]

  the copy cycle so funny to is our mutual [TS]

  friend talks this Tony connects the he i [TS]

  met him first thing we talked about this [TS]

  and for some episode before but I'm yes [TS]

  I think that isn't or I met him when he [TS]

  was the head Brewster at a local coffee [TS]

  shop that started up that was trying to [TS]

  be more of a community coffee shop again [TS]

  they're trying to reclaim from Wi-Fi [TS]

  already and I want my first copying in [TS]

  the back of that store was reporting the [TS]

  story and then Tony left and you know [TS]

  kind of traveled a bunch they started [TS]

  his own brand that gets old to blue [TS]

  bottle yeah and then you know and he [TS]

  sees candies kicking around doing stuff [TS]

  but I'm like now cupping is like such a [TS]

  standard thing like its a thing people [TS]

  expect like that the sophistication even [TS]

  of 2004 now seems almost queen and when [TS]

  howard schultz just announced that he [TS]

  was stepping down to see you at [TS]

  starbucks he did it at the 15 avenue [TS]

  between avenue roasting place which is [TS]

  starbucks new model for a place that is [TS]

  like a roasting center with couplings [TS]

  and [TS]

  I high-end copies and the whole bit like [TS]

  it's now a thing they're commercializing [TS]

  pushing out as a no high-end experience [TS]

  as a no repeatable deal and that's you [TS]

  know that's already we're at so what's [TS]

  the next refined like there's got to be [TS]

  like 10 years from now we're looking at [TS]

  that is known as course in quicktime [TS]

  sure and you know and then in the [TS]

  evening hours I i enjoy the occasional [TS]

  adult beverage and it's theirs and never [TS]

  been a better time I mean and it's if [TS]

  you like beer like like when my dad was [TS]

  my age they don't have the only beer [TS]

  that there was the mass-market pilsners [TS]

  you know that's the way all tasted the [TS]

  same ya left in a small town someplace [TS]

  for people did you know the home brewing [TS]

  thing was was starting up but those were [TS]

  usually there you know the quirky know [TS]

  what this is there's never been there's [TS]

  never been a better time to have a [TS]

  sophisticated palate probably in the [TS]

  history of the world in terms of this [TS]

  ties into technology so you know how [TS]

  Marc Andreessen other people have pushed [TS]

  these charts that shows how everyone has [TS]

  the kind of stuff that previous [TS]

  generations would have dreamed of [TS]

  everyone has a TV everyone has a DVD lot [TS]

  of people have phones even if they're [TS]

  like living below the poverty line they [TS]

  have a cell phone on a pay-as-you-go [TS]

  plan like all of these certain signs of [TS]

  material success but this is the point [TS]

  that people made about the Apple phone [TS]

  you have made this point here / over [TS]

  again is the iphone is the same price no [TS]

  matter how rich or poor you are and I [TS]

  think the beverage think also the same [TS]

  thing you can get I mean obviously you [TS]

  can spend a lot of money and beverages [TS]

  but you can spend a few dollars for a [TS]

  drink let's say five ten dollars for a [TS]

  drink and get one of the finest drinks [TS]

  ever made in human history [TS]

  now you can go up from there you can [TS]

  spend $15 for civet poop coffee or [TS]

  whatever for a couple of in and million [TS]

  dollars for champagne but this lower [TS]

  tier generally accessible even if it's a [TS]

  special occasion price is achievable by [TS]

  like most of humanity in the developed [TS]

  world yeah it's amazing and you know i [TS]

  think that there was [TS]

  up i I don't know you know I think there [TS]

  was sort of a pride in post-world War to [TS]

  America at the sort of homogenate shin [TS]

  of Colton and it seemed right like when [TS]

  my grandfather was a young man all the [TS]

  beer came from local breweries you know [TS]

  every town of a certain you know every [TS]

  time with 10 to 15,000 people had a [TS]

  brewery that made the beer for the town [TS]

  and then in my dad's generation it you [TS]

  know the the analyzer bushes and the [TS]

  cores it became such a thing and and you [TS]

  know TV rammed this home that a no you [TS]

  didn't drink like you know Philadelphia [TS]

  beer you drank you know the same [TS]

  Budweiser that everybody drank during [TS]

  American beer you know but it was off [TS]

  all bland all watered down for they that [TS]

  taste right italic metallic taste in it [TS]

  you know and and the the craft brewing [TS]

  revolution certainly started you know I [TS]

  was in college in the late nineties it [TS]

  had already started but it was still [TS]

  obscure and so like when you go to [TS]

  parties if they had beer it was just you [TS]

  know that just cheap plan stuff so I [TS]

  just thought I well I don't like beer [TS]

  like crazy hits which is crazy in [TS]

  hindsight because I love beer but I love [TS]

  very particular kind of beer and and i [TS]

  just also think that it's such a a [TS]

  wonderful world right now for somebody [TS]

  who truly is obsessive about something [TS]

  like that like tonks and that he can [TS]

  just go and start his own coffee company [TS]

  like we're like in the 1960s that that's [TS]

  not how are infeasible to be like [TS]

  Procter & Gamble you know you need it [TS]

  was like a billion-dollar thing you know [TS]

  you did he couldn't there was no way for [TS]

  somebody you know like two people you [TS]

  know to start a business where we're [TS]

  going to meet you know sent coffee [TS]

  around the the world by mail order [TS]

  there's a great book by editor at work [TS]

  with four years at the economist is now [TS]

  the deputy deputy editor at Tom Standage [TS]

  called history of the world in six [TS]

  classes it's um maybe like a decade old [TS]

  now and he looks at it's a beer spirits [TS]

  coffee tier-1 there's like sacramental [TS]

  60 of t its team coffee beer and spirits [TS]

  and printed to but it's it's basically a [TS]

  history of how civilization advanced the [TS]

  rue the perpetuation of certain kinds of [TS]

  drinks behind a mask but a history of [TS]

  the world in six classes at six [TS]

  different things but like tea is an [TS]

  amazing thing because its antibacterial [TS]

  properties and it's you boil the water [TS]

  to drink it it replaced the small beer [TS]

  which is like a very low alcohol beer [TS]

  that was drunk that is given out to pack [TS]

  your workers in England and other places [TS]

  they were given a certain quantity of [TS]

  beer to drink every day was very low [TS]

  alcohol but they were always mildly you [TS]

  know inebriated me it was a healthful [TS]

  beverage right and it's revolutionized [TS]

  factories because people over focuses [TS]

  the mind is obviously but people are [TS]

  living in places with the add water [TS]

  supplies you know whatever sort of [TS]

  improved health it was healthy was any [TS]

  bacterial and it didn't get you drunk [TS]

  and so became the beverage of temperance [TS]

  and so forth and anyway just it's a [TS]

  lovely book because he argues and very [TS]

  persuasively that certain like the [TS]

  advancement of society isn't it's not [TS]

  that we got T because we are certain [TS]

  point in civilization was possible to [TS]

  have like a global supply chain [TS]

  it's more like tea actually influence [TS]

  the industrial revolutions significantly [TS]

  which is cool person I i have long I I [TS]

  it's one of those things where I've [TS]

  never really done the deep dive but I i [TS]

  will at some point and get a couple of [TS]

  find a couple of good books on it and [TS]

  and and really go deep on it but I you [TS]

  know I have a fascination with the [TS]

  prohibition in the United States [TS]

  oh yeah because it's it's another one of [TS]

  those things where it happened it [TS]

  seeming and I knew that basic years of [TS]

  when it happened you know around [TS]

  nineteen twenty or so and it only lasted [TS]

  about 12 years and you know led to the [TS]

  rise of you know gangsters who run booze [TS]

  into the cities and Al Capone mob but [TS]

  it's as a kid it just seemed like well [TS]

  that was a long time ago and it's over [TS]

  but then a when you become an adult and [TS]

  you realize just how did you know that [TS]

  then a hundred years ago really isn't [TS]

  that long right in some ways [TS]

  and you it just fascinates me like how [TS]

  in the world did making alcohol illegal [TS]

  ever gain popular support that it would [TS]

  that they pass a constitutional [TS]

  amendment like to pass a constitutional [TS]

  amendment something has to be [TS]

  overwhelmingly popular like you know [TS]

  what it was it was making this chocolate [TS]

  not fucking speak news [TS]

  well he's but it mother think mother's [TS]

  bread these you know the lies about [TS]

  drinking or spread and believed in light [TS]

  of our recent election here in the [TS]

  United States and how the fuck did this [TS]

  happen [TS]

  it-it-it its soothing to me mentally to [TS]

  think back to other times where you know [TS]

  there were what the fuck really thinking [TS]

  moments in u.s. politics and we have [TS]

  cycles a work we're about to have our [TS]

  first teetotaling president and I don't [TS]

  know how long that's interesting thought [TS]

  I that that's he doesn't drink in right [TS]

  you know I reflects like the Trump has [TS]

  no vices except lying he's lying about [TS]

  that right but he he he said he didn't [TS]

  drink so I assumed it was a lie [TS]

  it turns out he's absolutely sincere [TS]

  people said they'd seen him drink in the [TS]

  past but it may have been decades ago [TS]

  and have been confirmation people been [TS]

  with him [TS]

  no enemies and friends and people were [TS]

  former friends like he doesn't drink [TS]

  alcohol [TS]

  it doesn't seem to have any alcohol and [TS]

  witches and it's not it doesn't seem to [TS]

  be more realistic than his brother I [TS]

  mean yeah and other family history had [TS]

  an older brother who you know literally [TS]

  a long time ago I guess it's a drunk in [TS]

  early songs he died yeah you know [TS]

  present yourself to the cafeteria and [TS]

  I'm sorry you know you can see that like [TS]

  that there are signs of Trump like [TS]

  things like that but I think maybe the [TS]

  man has some empathy compassion or at [TS]

  least insight current self correcting [TS]

  capability but it is fasting is fasting [TS]

  to have a president who I don't know how [TS]

  much Obama drunk I think he liked the [TS]

  beverage you know he indulged in some [TS]

  cigarettes before he was elected and now [TS]

  he's smoking a decent he did until after [TS]

  he was like oh that's wanted and then [TS]

  occasionally there's report maybe he [TS]

  sneaked to figure out here and there [TS]

  right site but he's mostly bread [TS]

  stuffing but some trumping a teetotal I [TS]

  don't think I have any impact I don't [TS]

  think he's going to go out he does not [TS]

  have never been a temperance advocate [TS]

  but I think he went I've read things [TS]

  here's the weird thing about that risk [TS]

  right there are times that everything he [TS]

  says and I go but this is very [TS]

  reasonable and I've read things he said [TS]

  in somewhat middle of long interviews [TS]

  about his brother and sometimes the [TS]

  harsh about it but often he is very [TS]

  sympathetic to what the brother went [TS]

  through in a very sympathetic to what is [TS]

  the effect that had on the whole family [TS]

  and and how sad it was he died young and [TS]

  I'm like all right well you know I like [TS]

  to know there is a human being under [TS]

  there he is a bit of a science art it is [TS]

  one of the weird and I mean whether you [TS]

  you know again whether you like him [TS]

  don't like him or somehow are [TS]

  indifferent they're very small [TS]

  percentage of Trump voters are actually [TS]

  celebrating from what i can tell they're [TS]

  all concerned what's coming next one of [TS]

  them because they don't know if he's [TS]

  gonna do what they promised him either [TS]

  one of the art well he's not [TS]

  yeah quick hey one of the odd things [TS]

  about him though is that he does he does [TS]

  his personality seems to be a bit of a [TS]

  cipher you know where is Obama i think [TS]

  where's his personality on his [TS]

  shirtsleeve much like bill clinton and I [TS]

  i think to george w bush [TS]

  I think else oh yeah that's right you [TS]

  know I think Hillary is guarded famously [TS]

  but there are widespread reports though [TS]

  from her clothes the people who are [TS]

  close to her that in person she's very [TS]

  warm funny and and empathetic but on the [TS]

  campaign trail for what you know reasons [TS]

  that we won't get into because it's you [TS]

  know but there she knows she publicly [TS]

  put up sort of a a more serious guarded [TS]

  personality but wonder if we'll see [TS]

  we'll probably see that the Hillary in [TS]

  the woods photos give me life because [TS]

  she looks like a great weight around for [TS]

  despite what's coming you never hear to [TS]

  never hear stories about like the real [TS]

  Trump from the people close to him like [TS]

  there doesn't seem to be one is the [TS]

  others know there's no real trucker [TS]

  talking about his older brother really [TS]

  does it i do believe i'm going to work [TS]

  99 percent of the stuff out of his mouth [TS]

  I don't believe but when he talks about [TS]

  his brother it seems sincere that he you [TS]

  know and that it really did you know he [TS]

  saw what happened anything he decided [TS]

  I'm not gonna drink any other thing [TS]

  that's very self-aware about it that I [TS]

  saw the New York Times had a good story [TS]

  about this earlier way earlier in the [TS]

  camp [TS]

  Jane was the other thing that he said [TS]

  about it was it wasn't just well I saw [TS]

  what happened to my brother and decided [TS]

  not to drink he also very self-aware [TS]

  said I also know that I'm not much for [TS]

  moderation personally but you know if [TS]

  this amazing from him wow I you know and [TS]

  looking like look at the way he [TS]

  decorated its home [TS]

  yeah well they also occasionally like [TS]

  the unguarded Trump is fascinating [TS]

  because he is a bully and a fascist in [TS]

  certain ways and then he says things [TS]

  like when it came up about transgender [TS]

  bathroom bills like North Carolina and [TS]

  elsewhere his first reaction someone [TS]

  asked about he said people should go to [TS]

  whatever bathroom they're comfortable [TS]

  with what I was like well that's cool [TS]

  like I'm good with that his campaign [TS]

  walked back and wrap it and put it into [TS]

  Republican phraseology and you know [TS]

  whatever but his first reaction you know [TS]

  is people should make whatever choice [TS]

  they want for themselves just really [TS]

  affect other people which you could [TS]

  argue as a little bit of a narcissist [TS]

  rice too but it was more that was honest [TS]

  reaction like I'm curious how much of [TS]

  that kind of blunt honesty we're going [TS]

  to see versus the the you know the [TS]

  tendencies towards much worse behavior [TS]

  I'm not optimistic per se but i'm i'm [TS]

  trying to be curious because we will see [TS]

  things that are gonna be totally [TS]

  unexpected from a Republican elected [TS]

  president [TS]

  they're going to not conform with anyone [TS]

  but my wife says she said this number of [TS]

  times the reason that we're feeling [TS]

  anxiety and I think this goes for Trump [TS]

  voters as well I think there are a [TS]

  number of Trump voters feel exactly the [TS]

  same way and some related but I think [TS]

  that's a small percentage compared to [TS]

  the largest number of people voted form [TS]

  is she said he defeats our ability to [TS]

  predict the future we all have a little [TS]

  internal production capability and he [TS]

  breaks that and you feel anxious and [TS]

  that's also what people talk about with [TS]

  fascism not not necessarily directly for [TS]

  him is that fascists and abusive [TS]

  domestic partners and people in those [TS]

  categories they try to unsettle you so [TS]

  you never know what's coming next you [TS]

  live in a constant state anxiety I don't [TS]

  think that's his plan that I think [TS]

  that's how we thought I feel inside my [TS]

  wife feels [TS]

  how about that technology how about that [TS]

  the power charger [TS]

  let's talk about something that we know [TS]

  works who says who says i'm not good at [TS]

  segways that's great so you had a story [TS]

  at Mac and I think it just came out [TS]

  yesterday when I want to interrupt you [TS]

  all right [TS]

  Segway Magic Loop did you see about the [TS]

  ostensibly fake magic magic leap [TS]

  demonstration now tell me what you may [TS]

  want to talk about a few I you know all [TS]

  the details but you know it's a it's one [TS]

  of these new ivr things and Kevin Kelly [TS]

  wrote a really breathless piece earlier [TS]

  this year for Wired he got a demo he got [TS]

  to see it and it's a bunch of super [TS]

  intelligent people involved in it [TS]

  they're running the lab in Florida away [TS]

  from Silicon Valley oh yeah yeah like [TS]

  next-level like whatever everyone's [TS]

  working on now this being released in [TS]

  demo this is the thing beyond it is how [TS]

  it's being hyped well they put a [TS]

  demonstration video and then it came out [TS]

  that was actually like a Hollywood [TS]

  produced a hollywood-style produced [TS]

  video that is not actually reflect any [TS]

  hardware they have already so I was just [TS]

  thinking this way you said segue was [TS]

  thinking like yes remember how the [TS]

  segway change the world magically is [TS]

  right up there with sorry that's my [TS]

  segue they there's a some sort of tour [TS]

  here in Philadelphia where you can I [TS]

  don't know if it I guess its history [TS]

  historic sites but the OA historic sites [TS]

  are all very close to each other frankly [TS]

  but I see them occasionally where [TS]

  there's obvious tourists with helmets on [TS]

  on segways on a tour you know but [TS]

  usually somewhere around eight to 10 of [TS]

  them there's somebody in the front is [TS]

  clearly the tour leader and and there it [TS]

  just seems like the dumbest way to get [TS]

  around like I do [TS]

  I'm i love the idea the fast i'm [TS]

  fascinated by the idea that that the [TS]

  things self balances on two wheels but [TS]

  that segues themselves are so stupid [TS]

  oh yeah I mean it's just I just over the [TS]

  whole the breathless it's going to [TS]

  change the world the patent filings are [TS]

  amazing they think the people investing [TS]

  like Jesus think this will be changed [TS]

  the way cities are built right everybody [TS]

  Steve Jobs trashed ok I'm not spread [TS]

  it's like and it's a really cool scooter [TS]

  that has certain applications entry well [TS]

  anyway I'm sorry shorter up but [TS]

  magically just got me with [TS]

  that you know like they thought no one [TS]

  was gonna figure out it was a fake you [TS]

  know are produced demonstration you know [TS]

  what I got I I i have the google pixel [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah and I got the VR headset [TS]

  i forget what the i can't remember what [TS]

  the name of David daydream i haven't [TS]

  used a lot yet but it's it's pretty neat [TS]

  I mean for African how much I paid for [TS]

  the headset but it wasn't too much I [TS]

  mean once you've bought the phone for [TS]

  eight hundred dollars or whatever it [TS]

  costs the $75 headset is a neat add-on [TS]

  it's it's really pretty good although it [TS]

  does it does the jonas was really into [TS]

  it but it it doesn't get hot it [TS]

  eventually shock huh [TS]

  it eventually tells you that it it [TS]

  couches it's sort of like remember when [TS]

  do we would tell you to take a break the [TS]

  the end oh yeah that the it told Jonas [TS]

  to take a break but it wasn't really for [TS]

  his well-being [TS]

  it was because because the phone had [TS]

  overheated and needed to to cool down [TS]

  but it's actually pretty good the [TS]

  latency is really really good like I was [TS]

  what i thought was wondering if it would [TS]

  pick up but i can also completely see [TS]

  why Apple hasn't built such a thing [TS]

  it's not not ready yet they want the [TS]

  thing they want the thing whatever [TS]

  magically intends to make which they may [TS]

  not be able to achieve that's what Apple [TS]

  would prefer right I I don't say it [TS]

  it baffles me that people don't see this [TS]

  in apple so I I one of the things when [TS]

  people complain about the new macbook [TS]

  pros that they're not pro enough you [TS]

  know that the they're not performing 10 [TS]

  have enough like there are other [TS]

  companies are making laptops that you [TS]

  can drive you know high-end vr helmets [TS]

  from mom and it's like wow that's that's [TS]

  of course they are because that's what [TS]

  you know the pc industry always does is [TS]

  build you know whatever you know you [TS]

  know that's why gaming pcs exist you [TS]

  know that the pc is for some people it's [TS]

  just a generic box that you can use it [TS]

  to drive any computing tasks you want [TS]

  like that's that is not what Apple does [TS]

  apple doesn't make generic boxes that [TS]

  you can make other things from there [TS]

  a-levels if I was going to make a VR [TS]

  helmet that the VR helmet itself will be [TS]

  the computer and it will have the [TS]

  graphics in screen that it needs to be [TS]

  oh yes thanks a lot of sense right [TS]

  they're not gonna make they're not going [TS]

  to work on making the phone into a [TS]

  jerry-rigged vr screen even though it's [TS]

  possible and the pixel thing is good [TS]

  enough that it's you know it's it's neat [TS]

  but it's you know you can also it's also [TS]

  it's not retin-a resolution i mean you [TS]

  can totally see the pixels of the things [TS]

  that you're that you're saying and it's [TS]

  you know it's just clunky to stick your [TS]

  phone into a helmet and same way that [TS]

  it's clunky to have a helmet that's [TS]

  literally tethered to a laptop computer [TS]

  like that if you hold your watch up [TS]

  really close to your face it all figured [TS]

  out but no i think you're right i think [TS]

  it's unlikely Apple Apple makes an [TS]

  operating system that is capable of [TS]

  being adapted to a lot of different [TS]

  circumstances but they don't make [TS]

  hardware that's as general purpose i [TS]

  mean i think that's the macbook pro is [TS]

  really more of an inch computer now it [TS]

  doesn't have the same general appeal i [TS]

  thought that i would say that about the [TS]

  12 inch macbooks is released its not a [TS]

  lot it's not a like the macbook air [TS]

  which was for a lot of people the [TS]

  12-inch MacBook is more particular [TS]

  because it makes you make choices and if [TS]

  it doesn't fit your needs and it's not [TS]

  the laptop for you and the macbook pro [TS]

  is much more restrained restricted than [TS]

  the previous models and that pro but [TS]

  speaking of those ok so you wrote a [TS]

  review this week of this newer tech new [TS]

  power and you p 0 wer I've already got a [TS]

  link in the show notes new power it's a [TS]

  60 watt power adapter that has two [TS]

  outputs one of them is a USB a the [TS]

  old-school USB and any other ones us bc [TS]

  and you can use them at the same time so [TS]

  you can plug this into the wall and then [TS]

  take a your existing like that the cable [TS]

  you charge your phone with did with the [TS]

  US the rectangular USB a plug that and [TS]

  plug your phone in and then with like a [TS]

  new 13-inch macbook pro or the just [TS]

  plain macbook you could charge that from [TS]

  the USBC at the same time [TS]

  yeah it's pretty slick [TS]

  it comes with a 6-foot AC cable so [TS]

  you're using your 6-foot USBC charging [TS]

  cable that came with the macbook or [TS]

  macbook pro you have been at 12 feet [TS]

  suddenly if you want that from Apple you [TS]

  have to pay a the adapter is I think [TS]

  Warren gamely be have to pay if you [TS]

  don't have one around you pay its twenty [TS]

  dollars or ninety dollars to get the 6 [TS]

  foot extension for the power adapter [TS]

  that comes with your latina apple laptop [TS]

  so i like that i mean so right so it [TS]

  it's like a cable it's kinda like an [TS]

  offset so if you've got a 12-inch [TS]

  MacBook sort of ideal because you plug [TS]

  this in to one port and you plug in your [TS]

  you know ipad or iphone to charge via [TS]

  the new power thing and you also six [TS]

  foot of cable beyond that so you can [TS]

  have your cable you know your type a2 [TS]

  whatever cable and your laptop cable and [TS]

  along AC cable and it's 50 box for the [TS]

  whole thing so it's I think it's a great [TS]

  replacement or traveling alternative [TS]

  because it seems that all these bases [TS]

  and in 60 watts is an interesting number [TS]

  because I it's clearly designed it more [TS]

  around there like 45 watt pcs that this [TS]

  also works with works with anything with [TS]

  us bc charging power power delivery 2.0 [TS]

  is the spec which is a lot of devices so [TS]

  that you know the macbook 12-inch [TS]

  MacBook is 29 wats there's some 45 watt [TS]

  laptops and so forth the macbook pro 13 [TS]

  inch models are 61 want yet which is [TS]

  crazy right where I don't understand [TS]

  that it was very specific about how they [TS]

  like to nap batteries to charging and [TS]

  they just do exactly what they want it's [TS]

  weird [TS]

  well it's the first one I can think of [TS]

  that such an odd number like it well [TS]

  though the the macbook is a 29 watch I [TS]

  guess you're right and and the macbook [TS]

  pros 87 wats and somebody told me I [TS]

  didn't look this up that the previous [TS]

  macbook pro 15-inch 1 i'm sorry was also [TS]

  87 lot so they have been very specific [TS]

  profile they don't like to make a [TS]

  generic charging thing so this is the [TS]

  new power is probably not appropriate [TS]

  for a 15-inch macbook pro because it [TS]

  will it's very hard for to keep up if [TS]

  you're doing anything that's pulling [TS]

  power down for the 13-inch it'll keep up [TS]

  almost as quickly i mean so you know [TS]

  three percent off so we'll charge while [TS]

  you're using it and might charge tiny [TS]

  bit slower if you plug in USB type a [TS]

  device to [TS]

  large it will take away from the [TS]

  charging going to the USBC port I'm so [TS]

  you're charging ipad at 2.4 amps that's [TS]

  12 watts at 5 volts in that so that'll [TS]

  be fifteen of 12 watts to be subtracted [TS]

  from the 60 if you're doing that anyway [TS]

  13-inch macbook i think a lot of cases [TS]

  it's a really nice alternative and it's [TS]

  got you know it's not a square little [TS]

  thing it's a it's like much longer looks [TS]

  more like a traditional one that's very [TS]

  lightweight it's got rounded edges only [TS]

  thing i don't think i don't like about [TS]

  it those I don't like that to plug this [TS]

  into the wall you have to use a cable it [TS]

  has you know it's it recognize it so [TS]

  this is the brick but it's it you plug a [TS]

  power cable into the back and then it's [TS]

  a six foot cable that goes well [TS]

  so like there are some cases some [TS]

  situations where you do want that but [TS]

  there's others like when you're like [TS]

  like when I'm going to hotel usually [TS]

  most hotels now have like a desk where [TS]

  there is like a power on the desk and [TS]

  it's not you know like I don't need it [TS]

  that six foot cable is just going to be [TS]

  in the way there I got kind of it's true [TS]

  i wish that i could just plug it plug it [TS]

  right in [TS]

  you know like it had the prongs on the [TS]

  thing or anything else that that's the [TS]

  drawback is it that's it if that's what [TS]

  you want then you can always carry the [TS]

  original one but no I think that is the [TS]

  drawback to get extra cable that way [TS]

  without an option but I think I I and I [TS]

  have that same issue although I'll [TS]

  kitchen hotel in that time I got stuck [TS]

  plugged in our print work i'm often [TS]

  hunting around for desi out of it [TS]

  somehow power strips have been some [TS]

  newer we're not new hotels but [TS]

  retrograde once power strips right or [TS]

  maybe it would be nice if it you know [TS]

  again this would obviously make it a lot [TS]

  physically bigger so maybe maybe I'm not [TS]

  thinking it through but it might be nice [TS]

  if I had one of those cables that you [TS]

  could like it would retract you know [TS]

  like the way like most vacuum cleaners [TS]

  work now you can retract the cable [TS]

  oh yeah we're gonna see a lot more use [TS]

  USBC chargers to is having where it's [TS]

  taken the power to respect so I actually [TS]

  interviewed for an Oracle it's going to [TS]

  come out in Fast Company about us bc [TS]

  like why it's so hard to figure out what [TS]

  cables are good like why isn't there [TS]

  some group [TS]

  I mean my conclusion spoiler is that the [TS]

  death of magazine test labs is basically [TS]

  why we're having problems with us bc [TS]

  like it's not so I talked to the head of [TS]

  the USB implementers for on the USB I F [TS]

  and the chief operating officer [TS]

  you had a great talk about like where [TS]

  does type see fit into the ecosystem [TS]

  what are you guys responsible for like [TS]

  where does your point and and one of the [TS]

  things the president told me is he said [TS]

  really frankly this is a said this isn't [TS]

  your grandma and grandpas USB to point [TS]

  out we said it's much more complicated [TS]

  it's much harder to get it right and [TS]

  we're seeing more problems because it's [TS]

  a much more complicated difficult spec [TS]

  it does so much more and so they're not [TS]

  surprised but it's what manufacturers [TS]

  want it's not like the USB I have [TS]

  invented a difficult spec and it's being [TS]

  inflicted on customers it's like all of [TS]

  you know all the major computer and [TS]

  mobile makers are all involved with us [TS]

  pif further on the board or they're [TS]

  deeply involved in the standard process [TS]

  they wanted this to happen ultimately in [TS]

  a couple years maybe a year we're all [TS]

  going to be delighted that we have maybe [TS]

  we still a lightning that seems like [TS]

  it's going to happen but we have one [TS]

  cable and one thing that works every [TS]

  goddamn place and then new displays will [TS]

  all have USB support and you knew [TS]

  everything will have it and will say why [TS]

  do we make such a big deal about this [TS]

  because the pain of transition in [TS]

  finding the adapters that don't exist [TS]

  and legacy support is a pain but I think [TS]

  it's really a net positive for it and so [TS]

  the power part is particularly difficult [TS]

  to something called power delivery to [TS]

  point out which is as far as i can tell [TS]

  us the first widespread implementation [TS]

  and products on a non-proprietary of [TS]

  standards-based but you know trade group [TS]

  owned but non-proprietary spec for doing [TS]

  power that's above like 15 to 30 watts [TS]

  and you can go up 200 watts their [TS]

  previous USB specs that allow this but [TS]

  what I can tell i don't know that many [TS]

  devices used them they're very specific [TS]

  and you need a specific adapter this is [TS]

  the first generic way that's already in [TS]

  you know millions or even tens of [TS]

  millions of shipping products that [TS]

  supports involved no 12 or 15 watts in a [TS]

  standard way and interoperable [TS]

  interchangeable adapters so the [TS]

  ecosystem i think is about to sort of [TS]

  like the chipset issue is a big deal [TS]

  every John you know this right like [TS]

  lightning every lightning Thunderbolt 2 [TS]

  cable had a computer in that tip of [TS]

  every cable right and the same thing is [TS]

  true with us bc and that makes it more [TS]

  complicated Saul USBC is like you're [TS]

  plugging a computer that looks like a [TS]

  cable into your computer's port [TS]

  that has a controller and they have to [TS]

  talk to each other and so like getting [TS]

  that right means the controller chip [TS]

  sets and the USBC cable chipsets all [TS]

  have to be in this incredibly perfect [TS]

  alignment and that is I think what's [TS]

  been taking so long and we're starting [TS]

  to finally see the benefits that you [TS]

  know already like almost two years into [TS]

  the rollout and next year will be very [TS]

  different [TS]

  I think one of the underestimated easily [TS]

  overlooked but fascinating to me the [TS]

  things that's going on in hardware [TS]

  everywhere today if whether you're it in [TS]

  the consumer electronics business in the [TS]

  car business [TS]

  everything is that every individual [TS]

  component is slowly but surely turning [TS]

  into its own to being a computer know [TS]

  right now you're totally right and I [TS]

  know Joanna stern and I talked about [TS]

  this on about the macbook about the [TS]

  touch part but it's fascinating to me if [TS]

  ya is like every time I look at this [TS]

  review unit and I just think about it [TS]

  just pleases me to no end that the touch [TS]

  bar is an iOS computer in my mac [TS]

  computer like I i find it just makes me [TS]

  smile i just it just cracks me up [TS]

  because of like what i would just like [TS]

  we're talking about half an hour ago [TS]

  like when we were kids like a computer [TS]

  was super expensive like and at you know [TS]

  it you get like 64 kilobyte [TS]

  it you get like 64 kilobyte [TS]

  of memory and it was enough Mon Cherie [TS]

  right and but you know that it was a lot [TS]

  of money and you had to be very careful [TS]

  and it was quite large and now now [TS]

  there's what is there's a much better [TS]

  computer than that in the tip of your [TS]

  light and get the analog to lightning [TS]

  adapter has a GSP in it [TS]

  I mean it's a nine dollar cable and that [TS]

  computer is probably more powerful than [TS]

  my first personal computer maybe even my [TS]

  second person I mean it could do is it [TS]

  as powerful as commodore 64 maybe not [TS]

  i'm not sure but certainly as powerful [TS]

  as my first computer in some ways it [TS]

  surely is there are certainly some [TS]

  aspects of it but surely faster and you [TS]

  know that Commodore 64 so crazy like [TS]

  stories like how many terabytes of [TS]

  storage do you don't personally like 10 [TS]

  I don't even know you know i have at [TS]

  least I don't get seven or eight lying [TS]

  around bmore and probably got two or [TS]

  three terabytes in the cloud and we're [TS]

  going to laugh at how small it is like [TS]

  the way that 50 gigabytes seems in [TS]

  ridiculously tiny like I backed up 80 [TS]

  gigs I added more i used back plays from [TS]

  my desktop machine backup and I'm like [TS]

  oh you know I didn't have this part of [TS]

  this Drive backed up so i ad it says [TS]

  that's 80 gigs I can't get the internet [TS]

  it ended in like an hour or something [TS]

  and it just seemed so laughably small [TS]

  even though it's an enormous and so you [TS]

  know in five years we'll have like 50 [TS]

  terabytes of storage and we won't be [TS]

  thinking about it much either [TS]

  that's bigger everything gets bigger [TS]

  faster better let me take a break and [TS]

  we'll come back to that because one of [TS]

  the computers in our computers now are [TS]

  the computer that's inside air pods [TS]

  which still haven't shipped and I'd like [TS]

  to talk about that [TS]

  oh yeah I'm gonna take a break here and [TS]

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  I didn't order some but I didn't need [TS]

  them for presents not gonna I'm gonna [TS]

  remember that [TS]

  so their blood URL earpods still haven't [TS]

  shipped as i said we are recording on [TS]

  Friday December night and you know it's [TS]

  like HBO and West world they had stopped [TS]

  production they had a re-engineered the [TS]

  world to apple absolute center getting [TS]

  very close to being too missing vials i [TS]

  have heard is just in the last 24 hours [TS]

  i have heard not from like a very [TS]

  well-placed little birdie but from a [TS]

  birdie that there's a possibility that [TS]

  there are whispers in apple among that [TS]

  people who work in apple retail that [TS]

  they might actually come in [TS]

  quote-unquote the next few days I don't [TS]

  like nobody has it but the high ass and [TS]

  I was like well is it like a token [TS]

  amount like well some of them are coming [TS]

  and we're going to sell them to some [TS]

  people but you've got no chance of [TS]

  actually getting one because they're [TS]

  going to be instantly backordered six to [TS]

  eight weeks is it that type of shipping [TS]

  or is it like you you have a reasonable [TS]

  chance of getting them you know walking [TS]

  into an apple store and walking out with [TS]

  it [TS]

  airports and that the answer was no idea [TS]

  this is in my opinion the the biggest [TS]

  apple screw up in recent memory [TS]

  I I got it I got agree because it so let [TS]

  me go to the only thing I one cover [TS]

  yeah I compared to one other thing and I [TS]

  think that this is worse is the the I [TS]

  think it was the the white iphone 4 [TS]

  oh yeah so when the iphone 4 came out [TS]

  yeah that was the one with the glass [TS]

  front and man you and [TS]

  I think that was the one that didn't [TS]

  ship right in and it it kind of got lost [TS]

  i think in the shuffle of antennagate [TS]

  because that was that's all I had [TS]

  antennagate that all right [TS]

  it was supposed to wear black ones and [TS]

  white ones and the white ones are [TS]

  initially you know the black ones came [TS]

  out like in June on schedule and then [TS]

  Apple said something to the effect of [TS]

  having a little problem with the white [TS]

  production we expect them in July like [TS]

  one month late and July came and went [TS]

  and then antennagate hit and everybody [TS]

  remember that but the white iphones [TS]

  didn't ship until like made the next [TS]

  year april are made like almost a full [TS]

  year and when I remember it vividly [TS]

  because my wife wanted to get the white [TS]

  one and she waited and then by the time [TS]

  it got to April or May she was like well [TS]

  that I'm not you know I'm not stupid I'm [TS]

  not gonna buy a new iphone now that new [TS]

  ones come out even though the 4s that [TS]

  was when I first moved the schedule back [TS]

  from june to like September so she ended [TS]

  up with her i think she was using her [TS]

  3gs or whatever you know two years but i [TS]

  would say this is a worse mistake [TS]

  because at least with the iphone four if [TS]

  you wanted an iphone four you can get it [TS]

  you just didn't get it in the color you [TS]

  wanted whereas its did if you want their [TS]

  pods you can't get up [TS]

  yeah this is a I it seems it seems bad [TS]

  to introduce something that is a [TS]

  fundamental part of a major change [TS]

  you're making and then not have the [TS]

  engineering and production in place to [TS]

  release it seems like a big f up i was [TS]

  just gonna bump up one level not just [TS]

  avoid the topic but I mean there's [TS]

  always this metaphor like you know at [TS]

  apple is Hillary Clinton Samsung's Trump [TS]

  right this plane without even a [TS]

  political discussion is kind of how the [TS]

  coverage went and so Apple removes [TS]

  headphones and you have think pieces and [TS]

  whatever you post something about [TS]

  another day [TS]

  samsung says we're not going to have [TS]

  headphone jack I'm sorry headphone jack [TS]

  brother Samson says we're not going to [TS]

  headphone jack on xbox at phone [TS]

  everyone's like well it's just [TS]

  samsung right of course you like but [TS]

  wait but you better so angry why were [TS]

  you so [TS]

  angry like it's a technology company the [TS]

  decision there's all these trade up [TS]

  why were you so like curious like there [TS]

  was white hot puri about it you could [TS]

  argue it's because there's more of an [TS]

  emotional connection with the iphone and [TS]

  there are fewer models and there is not [TS]

  an emotional connection with samsung but [TS]

  it is sort of hilarious but if you're [TS]

  going to take the headphone jack out and [TS]

  you're going to deal with the [TS]

  repercussions because you know people [TS]

  have been keyed up to be angry for weeks [TS]

  and months is the rumors are out there [TS]

  there's something desperately wrong with [TS]

  that something very bad happened to [TS]

  reach this point i mean because I [TS]

  there's no doubt in my mind I've talked [TS]

  to several people I you know I can't say [TS]

  with a hundred percent certainty but I'm [TS]

  a certain as I could be that there was [TS]

  absolutely zero coincidence to the fact [TS]

  that the iphone 7 is the first iphone [TS]

  without the headphone jack and was [TS]

  introduced alongside their pods and [TS]

  write w one ship that was completely in [TS]

  coordination earpods they wanted to ship [TS]

  simultaneously or pods are in [TS]

  development for three years I lose lose [TS]

  our good engineering and design started [TS]

  three years ago and it was a year ago [TS]

  when they they felt like they were at [TS]

  the point where they can say yes but [TS]

  these will be ready in September 2016 [TS]

  therefore we can go ahead with this [TS]

  design of the iphone that doesn't have [TS]

  the headphone jack and you know this [TS]

  that the other things are now you know [TS]

  we can make the camera bigger and move [TS]

  the battery down and this you know all [TS]

  the other side effects of being able to [TS]

  remove the headphone jack was completely [TS]

  in coordination and yes they did not and [TS]

  they knew they knew then Apple knew i [TS]

  didn't know but you know Apple knew that [TS]

  they were relatively expensive and [TS]

  therefore we're not going to be included [TS]

  in the box [TS]

  hmm so even though they're not in the [TS]

  box and cost 250 box and therefore it [TS]

  you know was a lot to pay for headphones [TS]

  you know for by most people's standards [TS]

  on and therefore you know they know it's [TS]

  not going to be like everybody with an [TS]

  iphone 7 is going to spend 250 for [TS]

  airports it was absolutely it'll in [TS]

  lockstep with each other that they [TS]

  weren't going to ship a phone without a [TS]

  headphone jack without the new wireless [TS]

  air pods and they weren't going to ship [TS]

  the air pods [TS]

  when the flagship phone it still has the [TS]

  headphone jack and so I think if Apple [TS]

  new if if the I i really do think so i [TS]

  think if they knew that they were going [TS]

  to be as late as they are i don't think [TS]

  that they would remove the headphone [TS]

  jack this year [TS]

  well remember i would you look at the [TS]

  design of the phone i am I wrong [TS]

  my recollection is after the stare downs [TS]

  came out that both phones have [TS]

  technically have room for headphone jack [TS]

  so they must have given themselves and [TS]

  there's a space where it could have gone [TS]

  so they must have given themselves [TS]

  wiggling now I point I thought there was [TS]

  room for our i began our space where [TS]

  could be one of them wrong [TS]

  I was wondering how much wiggle room [TS]

  they gave because they have to lock in [TS]

  the circuit board design and print [TS]

  everything else notes are locked in very [TS]

  far in advance like whatever thats [TS]

  hanging out with the next year is [TS]

  already completely locked in [TS]

  I feel terrible for whoever on the team [TS]

  whichever people on the team at [TS]

  whichever levels from top to bottom [TS]

  either made an error in judgment or just [TS]

  wear a head of I mean this is the thing [TS]

  so this will seem like a sidebar I'll be [TS]

  brief with it but you know I brought a [TS]

  piece in March I think permit macworld [TS]

  about why you should probably not become [TS]

  a backer of kickstarter and other [TS]

  crowdfunding projects that are involved [TS]

  mass manufactured items that aren't [TS]

  totally interchangeable and known like a [TS]

  book like everyone knows how to print [TS]

  book publicly no brick printer could be [TS]

  late but they don't suddenly say we [TS]

  don't know how to put ink on pages we [TS]

  try to put the ink on the pages and the [TS]

  ink fell off and we have to work with [TS]

  you to develop a new way to put ink on [TS]

  paper because the one you propose [TS]

  doesn't work so typically doesn't happen [TS]

  it happens constantly in that the [TS]

  production of you especially electronics [TS]

  but a lot of things where you know if [TS]

  you follow the folks at studio need to [TS]

  have a great podcast that my curly is [TS]

  hosting where the two guys Dan Provost [TS]

  in my black condition and get a timecard [TS]

  the two of them met this wonderful guys [TS]

  I met them so many times I've been bear [TS]

  speaking rhythms are teasing whether [TS]

  lovely people they do really good [TS]

  products they're really interesting [TS]

  stuff they make and they have a podcast [TS]

  about making the latest thing and [TS]

  talking about it and its really fasting [TS]

  because you get the inside [TS]

  two people who do have a you know a [TS]

  moderate sized company but not a very [TS]

  big one right what the constraints are [TS]

  when you're doing all of these [TS]

  manufacturing things so uh I just want [TS]

  backing out into the like like so i [TS]

  understand from talking to people that [TS]

  lived and Tom's level and some folks in [TS]

  bigger corporations will talk more [TS]

  frankly about like just what happens [TS]

  when you get from that there's a stage [TS]

  between I think you've written about it [TS]

  to use been people but when articles [TS]

  about the squares between like prototype [TS]

  in production this thing where you [TS]

  deliver stuff you work to get things [TS]

  closer and closer to what's actually on [TS]

  the production line then there's a point [TS]

  in which you make units on the [TS]

  production line and they work and then [TS]

  you go into this full-scale thing in [TS]

  which is QA and QC for our QC for the [TS]

  products coming off the line right and [TS]

  it's horrible and the fact that any [TS]

  consumer electronics company can produce [TS]

  things routinely on any schedule is [TS]

  always amazing so apples track record is [TS]

  really good so is note 7 excluded but [TS]

  sort of part of it so it's samsung so [TS]

  are a lot of other companies that just [TS]

  produce huge numbers of new models of [TS]

  things well even when they're not super [TS]

  complicated even with the note 7 the [TS]

  problem wasn't with production the [TS]

  problem was with the design [TS]

  I mean that's right a bad right i mean [TS]

  it's theirs i I've read enough articles [TS]

  from people who are totally right taken [TS]

  it apart like it's everybody's at home [TS]

  near unanimous agreement about what's [TS]

  wrong they put too big of a battery in [TS]

  too small of a space is and therefore [TS]

  led to the positive and negative sides [TS]

  touching it now you're totally crushed [TS]

  under physical strength and they you [TS]

  know it the the post-mortem is going to [TS]

  be they should have realized this in the [TS]

  prototyping stage well in advance going [TS]

  to production and done something about [TS]

  it but so when I so I you know you know [TS]

  those things there's this mystery though [TS]

  this is what I think dan and tom get at [TS]

  well in the podcast and you can read [TS]

  stories about this all over like this [TS]

  incredible thing about we know and i [TS]

  think it's one thing that Jony Ive's [TS]

  this really well it's something that I [TS]

  think tim cook as coming from that deep [TS]

  knowledge of the supply chain and you [TS]

  know what kind of gotten onto the CEO [TS]

  path understanding how you bring [TS]

  different things together and what is [TS]

  feasible customized used to consult on [TS]

  this for high-tech companies where he [TS]

  would look at what they had in the lab [TS]

  he would look at what their customers [TS]

  actually wanted he would help them match [TS]

  those things together what was it [TS]

  simple and what people wanted to turn it [TS]

  into something that was manufacturable [TS]

  or producible it is an incredible art [TS]

  because you're you're modeling machines [TS]

  in your head that make things on these [TS]

  massive scale also it's not surprising [TS]

  this happens from time to time it's just [TS]

  apple is so good at in general executing [TS]

  it that something deeply wrong when they [TS]

  thought they could make some part of [TS]

  this would work a hundred percent of the [TS]

  time and they got together like this [TS]

  works ninety-eight percent of the time [TS]

  yeah it could be as it's probably as [TS]

  little as that to based on what the [TS]

  reports were ya secondhand talking to a [TS]

  friend who has a friend who works on the [TS]

  airport steam it is these things are a [TS]

  bitch to manufacture and they knew it [TS]

  was going to be right there's something [TS]

  you know some part of hey we've got a it [TS]

  you know i'm holding a pair right here [TS]

  in my hand and I'm not trying to brag [TS]

  you know I but it's very surprising to [TS]

  me that I here we are in December ninth [TS]

  and I've got air pods and nobody else [TS]

  does [TS]

  it's not late in the process that a [TS]

  problem occurred you know I've got right [TS]

  here in my hands proof that there [TS]

  somewhere there there it's there what do [TS]

  you know at by sep tember there was a [TS]

  factory in China that was pushing out [TS]

  very great high quality air pods and [TS]

  somehow though being able to pull that [TS]

  up to you know most punch out the [TS]

  millions of them that they need to punch [TS]

  out they've run into something now again [TS]

  I've heard that in this from a different [TS]

  source but I've heard that it's possible [TS]

  that by the time you even listen to this [TS]

  they might be out if you're listening [TS]

  like next week that but i wouldn't be [TS]

  surprised if you know that's to get [TS]

  pushed out to january my side or [TS]

  something has gone terribly wrong [TS]

  my suspicion based on the fact that they [TS]

  are able to ship units to you and other [TS]

  viewers that from general reported you [TS]

  know I think of Matthew pants are you [TS]

  know what about this i think i think you [TS]

  forget what your experiment they're [TS]

  reliable your experience right they work [TS]

  pretty much if they are you expected to [TS]

  they don't work perfectly [TS]

  I which occasionally but it but if if if [TS]

  this is as good as the air pods one [TS]

  point out are going to get if it's if if [TS]

  the exact experience that I've had and [TS]

  continue to have with these is exactly [TS]

  what everybody would experience I would [TS]

  still recommend it wholeheartedly and I [TS]

  i would describe these air pods as is [TS]

  occasional problems included as my [TS]

  favorite new apple product oh here's a [TS]

  llama [TS]

  my suspicion is this is a QC your [TS]

  quality control problem that they stay [TS]

  turn down the volume they got production [TS]

  units out they had some yield issues but [TS]

  they said we can fix the heels and bute [TS]

  simply old issues in production they [TS]

  pulled out the best them sent them [TS]

  through viewers and then they started [TS]

  turning the dial up and when they turn [TS]

  the dial up the yield was so poor on [TS]

  which I don't know was there i think it [TS]

  was like that that's a good idea because [TS]

  they're that far along if they're making [TS]

  something they can send to you that is [TS]

  not a one-off item that is something [TS]

  here a production line it has to be [TS]

  it's not a software issue or yours would [TS]

  be failing all the time was so it all [TS]

  the other review every once in a while [TS]

  the problems I've seen and they're very [TS]

  similar to what Matthew seen every once [TS]

  in awhile but it's been attacked by use [TS]

  them all the time they're the only [TS]

  headphones I've used since sep tember [TS]

  period every once in a while the audio I [TS]

  think it just gets a little stuttery [TS]

  it's like there's some kind of bluetooth [TS]

  you know some somehow the wireless [TS]

  signal gets a jacked and you know [TS]

  usually you can just take them out put [TS]

  them back in it and you know [TS]

  wait wait a little bit thick and it [TS]

  fixes itself every once in a while I one [TS]

  of them drops out and I've got both in [TS]

  but it somehow mistakenly puts itself [TS]

  into oh you just want to use one mode [TS]

  because you can do that you can just put [TS]

  one in and it'll just even though i [TS]

  asked both in like the audio will stop [TS]

  playing to the right one for a little [TS]

  and then the way to fix it or at least I [TS]

  fix it is taken both out put them in put [TS]

  them in the little Tic Tac case and [TS]

  start over but only that's only having [TS]

  me like twice period and i think that's [TS]

  it [TS]

  I mean that's pretty much the the only [TS]

  problem I've had with it every once in a [TS]

  while you know [TS]

  oh and the other problem is every once [TS]

  in a while switching from one device to [TS]

  another it doesn't go seamlessly it's it [TS]

  it's not as magic as it should be that I [TS]

  think though [TS]

  is more of an iOS problem than a problem [TS]

  with the airport's I think I suspect [TS]

  that software and I've seen that last so [TS]

  i wouldn't even be surprised if that's [TS]

  actually been fixed in one of the recent [TS]

  I'm actually running that the beta's on [TS]

  all my devices like my phone is still [TS]

  running that but whatever the current [TS]

  developer beta of iOS yeah why wouldn't [TS]

  I got to tattoo and I haven't seen that [TS]

  in a few weeks i also had pretty much [TS]

  just using with my iphone that you this [TS]

  makes me think you know actually as I [TS]

  think about it I realize because they [TS]

  can push so much the software firmware [TS]

  my suspicions even further that's not a [TS]

  quality control issues realize it's the [TS]

  next level thing which is they got a [TS]

  bunch of units off they went through [TS]

  quality control them with you automated [TS]

  testing they started to pull samples to [TS]

  test and they found with samples that [TS]

  the defect rate wasn't being determined [TS]

  through automatic testing and then they [TS]

  started test more they realized that the [TS]

  defect rate was was whatever the defect [TS]

  was was wider more complicated and that [TS]

  the whatever QC processor using would [TS]

  not be adequate because otherwise [TS]

  excuse me if if they can make some that [TS]

  are good in some that aren't they would [TS]

  have perhaps made a bunch and shipped [TS]

  out the quantities and look we're [TS]

  getting an early amount that we have [TS]

  manufacturing problems we're going to [TS]

  catch up we want to get the people to [TS]

  commit to this earliest we're going to [TS]

  send the first hundred thousand outright [TS]

  because they even if they lost a hundred [TS]

  thousand a hundred thousand units were [TS]

  bad and a hundred thousand were good [TS]

  they might do it because they do like [TS]

  you know they do like to delay their [TS]

  customers that's one thing they do so my [TS]

  thinking is they couldn't even get a [TS]

  yield or reliability high enough that [TS]

  made them confident they could ship out [TS]

  any numbers in quantity [TS]

  yeah until this and I think they also [TS]

  tend to know who how we're going to [TS]

  catch up like so for example with Apple [TS]

  watch Apple watch into you know the [TS]

  original one launched and couldn't meet [TS]

  demand [TS]

  not even close but their estimates were [TS]

  if anything [TS]

  Oh under promising and over-delivering [TS]

  so like if you ordered an Apple watch [TS]

  right when they first started taking [TS]

  orders and and it your your preferred [TS]

  model said six to eight weeks you [TS]

  probably got it in like five weeks it [TS]

  seems you know and and did their [TS]

  pretended they were they push the [TS]

  unpopular model that developers could [TS]

  get the blue whatever grammars were [TS]

  which was nice it was like we have some [TS]

  that aren't committed so we're gonna [TS]

  make them available to you know and [TS]

  that's how a lot of a lot of developers [TS]

  made a lot of friends and it's also been [TS]

  true for example with the iphone 7 you [TS]

  know where there were certain models you [TS]

  know the jet black and the plus sized [TS]

  ones that you know if you didn't get [TS]

  your order and write it at midnight [TS]

  pacific you know you were given that you [TS]

  know you're worried you weren't going to [TS]

  get it on day one but whatever they said [TS]

  whenever they were promising that's when [TS]

  you got it you did get it before and I [TS]

  you know I ordered a couple of them in [TS]

  one of them I don't six to eight weeks [TS]

  or something like that and I got it I [TS]

  got it in four weeks [TS]

  oh wow great ah so whatever is going on [TS]

  with the airport's isn't like that you [TS]

  know like it seems to me like they [TS]

  aren't willing to commit you know [TS]

  obviously if if they could if they felt [TS]

  like well we can't meet demand right now [TS]

  but within two months we will they'd [TS]

  starts out taking orders and say six to [TS]

  eight weeks delivery [TS]

  exactly and the other thing too is that [TS]

  it whatever it is it was obviously a [TS]

  surprise and it's sort of like an [TS]

  unknown known you know I mean like they [TS]

  did they don't quite have a handle on [TS]

  the problem because I expected it [TS]

  it seemed like Apple expected when the [TS]

  invitations went out for the mac book [TS]

  pro event in October it seemed as though [TS]

  they were expecting to launch of the air [TS]

  Pods at that event and say they are now [TS]

  available and that you know I think [TS]

  those invitations as as per apples usual [TS]

  want only one out like a week before the [TS]

  event something up to like a week before [TS]

  that event they still thought that they [TS]

  were going to launch in late October [TS]

  that I also think you know so the [TS]

  narrative about apple always get spun [TS]

  they're doing because it acts and we [TS]

  don't do that here because we know right [TS]

  but you've got two billion dollars the [TS]

  bank and you know I've said I think [TS]

  under a trump administration Apple could [TS]

  very well because they will have a deal [TS]

  to repatriate their money and they'll [TS]

  pay some different tax rate that's [TS]

  probably get solved right sample of even [TS]

  more money to spend in the US the [TS]

  three-peat really like [TS]

  you know they're not going anywhere but [TS]

  I actually think this is a story that [TS]

  one could argue is the difference [TS]

  between them in samsung perhaps or a [TS]

  sign that Apple is still on the right [TS]

  track [TS]

  even if maybe they have too much on [TS]

  their plate that's not executing all in [TS]

  concert you know we're not anticipating [TS]

  the USBC adapter- response then they [TS]

  lowered prices so Apple didn't ship the [TS]

  earpods and then say poop some of them [TS]

  are bad and take them into a store and [TS]

  we'll send you a botanist to return it [TS]

  they said we can't ship these in good [TS]

  conscience because whatever reason maybe [TS]

  they couldn't even get them off the [TS]

  assembly line which seems unlikely since [TS]

  they had review units [TS]

  I'm sure they are ramped up to a point [TS]

  to grow and produce them in the [TS]

  quantities that they needed to ramp up [TS]

  towards but this tells me they're more [TS]

  willing to take the hit of customers are [TS]

  happy to get a thing that they want to [TS]

  delete them by just delaying [TS]

  indefinitely until they know they can [TS]

  deliver something that's functional that [TS]

  is a good sign to me even because he [TS]

  can't always hit on all cylinders on [TS]

  manufacturing and you know they losing [TS]

  sales but are there things that are [TS]

  direct competitors that someone is [TS]

  saying I'm canceling my Airport Airport [TS]

  order to buy this other thing I think [TS]

  you just have to delay for most people [TS]

  who are going to be about your other [TS]

  right there apple is really screwed [TS]

  because some people who really want [TS]

  wireless headphones are buying Beats or [TS]

  they're waiting up and sitting on [TS]

  waiting for being a few million dollars [TS]

  relative to their multibillion-dollar [TS]

  earnings I so i can see the [TS]

  possibilities would be aa the best-case [TS]

  scenario is that sometime in the next [TS]

  week Apple start shipping them in [TS]

  significant quantity and I feel like if [TS]

  that happens it'll mostly be all's [TS]

  forgiven [TS]

  although I seriously think that they've [TS]

  shut one way they shot themselves in the [TS]

  foot is that the most likely time for [TS]

  someone to buy one and while they're [TS]

  young they're iphone 7 and so absolutely [TS]

  there's an awful lot of people who would [TS]

  have said well what the hell attack on a [TS]

  hundred and fifty dollars who now that [TS]

  their iphone 7 doesn't even feel that [TS]

  new it's like well that's just my iphone [TS]

  they're not going to spend $150 on it [TS]

  but if they can do it in the next week [TS]

  in sufficient quantity it's also very [TS]

  clearly that a stocking stuffer right i [TS]

  mean like well yeah in every aspect [TS]

  double-word you know it's it's something [TS]

  expensive gift you get for something [TS]

  that you know 200 and was it to her box [TS]

  forgot 129 or whatever just took 150 so [TS]

  it's you know it's out of the scale of a [TS]

  lot it's not you know if I don't know [TS]

  what families have different limits and [TS]

  whatever but it's like you know we got [TS]

  one of my kit want light right and this [TS]

  is secret my son doesn't listen either [TS]

  my kids listen to this podcast but your [TS]

  size style so I think I don't think that [TS]

  was the part where they get older they [TS]

  will they listen to the game show [TS]

  episodes of being comfortable where some [TS]

  of the host will say oh no Glenn's kids [TS]

  are listening you know ended up but so [TS]

  my older son has a great proclivity [TS]

  towards music is a thank God not a [TS]

  prodigy because we know happy lives and [TS]

  products do not go together [TS]

  please get his musical talent it's [TS]

  really neat and he's been learning a [TS]

  bunch of instruments and his flute is [TS]

  his primary one but he suddenly got [TS]

  interested in the trombone and I'm like [TS]

  okay I guess we have a small house but [TS]

  you know i love hearing play ok you know [TS]

  we got a mute or so his mother-in-law [TS]

  for my mother-in-law father-in-law got [TS]

  there is a gift which is no got a modest [TS]

  model on sale and whatever but it's a [TS]

  it's the pricey gift and he'll [TS]

  appreciate it [TS]

  so that's kind of out of our usual [TS]

  studio but the grandparents are allowed [TS]

  to do that and and they asked well if [TS]

  you look at like you know airport we [TS]

  didn't get him we didn't get their pods [TS]

  let me just tell you that right if you [TS]

  look at 10 you [TS]

  nobody's getting hair plugs for good [TS]

  chance at least not yet if i'm good i'm [TS]

  going to your earplugs though that's [TS]

  gonna be my if you look at the ipod [TS]

  sales history i mean there's a lot of [TS]

  reasons for the reasons that ramped up [TS]

  that the first few years it was a mac [TS]

  only product and and etc but it it's [TS]

  when they when they found good models [TS]

  that can hit that 199 price point is [TS]

  really when it exploded [TS]

  it's there's something magical about [TS]

  sub-county dollars in terms of ok that [TS]

  this isn't something you know will [TS]

  it's not a lark but it's you know gift [TS]

  so 159 would be great if they can do it [TS]

  this week it'll you know in quantity [TS]

  that would be great [TS]

  that's the best-case scenario and I [TS]

  think it's mostly also forgiven if the [TS]

  ship [TS]

  ooh it in the next week or so but it's [TS]

  not in sufficient quantity and it's six [TS]

  to eight weeks back order passed the [TS]

  holidays forever just about it for all [TS]

  practical effects that's [TS]

  sex and it's obviously a huge mess for [TS]

  the yeah because it was you know it the [TS]

  holiday getting these things out in time [TS]

  the ship for the holiday was is huge its [TS]

  there's just no doubt about it it's it's [TS]

  you know it's one of those items that's [TS]

  gonna sell in that spiky whoa look at [TS]

  the fourth quarter cells double what it [TS]

  doesn't that other three quarters of the [TS]

  year type product and then a few third [TS]

  is a polder was always pull those who [TS]

  was people bought earpods they thought [TS]

  their pod plus the new phone so some [TS]

  people delayed getting a new thought [TS]

  until they could get everybody third [TS]

  case scenario would be it doesn't even [TS]

  ship for in in low quantity this month [TS]

  from my god [TS]

  yeah and there was macrumors had a story [TS]

  you know put somehow source to the [TS]

  supply chain that it's been pushed back [TS]

  to january and then the next day they [TS]

  had a counter story that said no no [TS]

  it'll it's shipping soon [TS]

  that's really embarrassing and then I [TS]

  guess yeah it is [TS]

  terms of what's actually possible it you [TS]

  can't say it's impossible that they [TS]

  never even ship them that it's at you [TS]

  know that battle man that would be very [TS]

  bad for confidence not no not under [TS]

  financial side a bit very small but the [TS]

  confidence of it would ideally never [TS]

  seems important but net you know what if [TS]

  it doesn't happen to like July like my [TS]

  tie on right it would just become a [TS]

  zombie comes the Albatross right like [TS]

  it's a very beautiful birds flying not [TS]

  so much one thing around your neck [TS]

  yeah again does not doing the company [TS]

  but this is just at this point I feel [TS]

  like that you know it [TS]

  december nine i mean it's it's probably [TS]

  too close [TS]

  I mean it's you know we're talking 15 16 [TS]

  days till Christmas be a bunch of people [TS]

  in a factory in China very don't you [TS]

  know delicately opening up things and [TS]

  fixing a tiny thing or I have a testing [TS]

  like one at a time [TS]

  I don't know this but i certainly would [TS]

  i would bet heavily that there are some [TS]

  normally cupertino residents who are [TS]

  standing out you know it to consumer the [TS]

  story about Tim Cook was a great story i [TS]

  think it was you tell the thing yeah [TS]

  it's the driving that meeting was I came [TS]

  with a specific problem something was [TS]

  going on in China that was problematic [TS]

  he's their CEO the person at the table [TS]

  explains it and they go on the meeting [TS]

  and it's [TS]

  point Tim looks and says what why are [TS]

  you still here and the guy walked out [TS]

  and like literally got a plane to China [TS]

  right take care of the problem i'm [TS]

  tellin it right it's clear yeah it's [TS]

  somebody you know Tim said okay well [TS]

  you're responsible for fixing it you'll [TS]

  know you'll you'll have to go there to [TS]

  fix it and then a meeting keeps going in [TS]

  the guy didn't get up and in the hand [TS]

  Tim Cook says why are you still here and [TS]

  so that I realized that I realized that [TS]

  that's how quickly he wanted him to go [TS]

  and he drove he didn't go home and pack [TS]

  he just drove to the airport and figure [TS]

  out clothes you know once he gets to [TS]

  Beijing you can buy clothes and try not [TS]

  very easily right so that I i like that [TS]

  it also wasn't that time was you know [TS]

  screaming and red-faced that any just [TS]

  like why are you still here right I [TS]

  thought that that's me set a tone for [TS]

  the Tim Cook administration and I think [TS]

  it's follow-through pretty well that we [TS]

  expect that he holds people responsible [TS]

  without it you know for the right reason [TS]

  when things aren't working it's going to [TS]

  get fixed that's what this feels like [TS]

  from the outside that there's a black [TS]

  there's a bunch of people who are you [TS]

  know like we got to get this fixed so I [TS]

  could be with my family at the holidays [TS]

  at the end of the year [TS]

  yeah let me take a break and thank our [TS]

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  people who only do that that's mail [TS]

  route this is what my wrath that's all [TS]

  they do is they don't host email they [TS]

  don't hear about all they do is filter [TS]

  for you take all the junk out so what [TS]

  the way it works is pretty simple if you [TS]

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  whether you're a big company [TS]

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  for the domain to go to mail route first [TS]

  your mail goes to them first they filter [TS]

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  onto your actual mail server so from the [TS]

  outside the MX records point mail route [TS]

  then goes to measure out and it's just a [TS]

  filter literally it's just the filter [TS]

  and then the actual good email just goes [TS]

  right to your server [TS]

  so it doesn't even take any longer and [TS]

  that you know other than like fraction [TS]

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  email has no junk no garbage [TS]

  it just works and that's all they do [TS]

  this is all they do it's a fantastic [TS]

  service and it really works great and [TS]

  all sorts of other companies are getting [TS]

  out of the email protection business [TS]

  because it's at artwork postini went [TS]

  away Maccabees thing went away MX logic [TS]

  went away [TS]

  this is a tremendous service there's no [TS]

  hardware or software to install it sound [TS]

  like you installs new software you just [TS]

  point your domain at them so it doesn't [TS]

  matter what you are using for your email [TS]

  doesn't matter if you're using like [TS]

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  google apps or something like that so [TS]

  whether you're a small home business or [TS]

  a huge isp mail route handles customers [TS]

  of all sizes and provides the same level [TS]

  of outstanding tech support everyone [TS]

  they send you anything you'd think you'd [TS]

  want with a service like this like you [TS]

  want to get a report every day with like [TS]

  the the mail that got filtered so you [TS]

  can like eyeball it and make sure that [TS]

  good stuff is getting caught you can do [TS]

  that it's so great and it's just [TS]

  completely focused on this one thing [TS]

  which is filtering the junk out of your [TS]

  email i don't know what to say about if [TS]

  you control email for one more domains i [TS]

  really really recommend that you look at [TS]

  it they even give you a 30 day free [TS]

  trial so you can go there and and just [TS]

  in the time it takes to change the MX [TS]

  records for your domain there you go [TS]

  your setup and you can go and and try it [TS]

  out and see that it actually works [TS]

  before you even give him a nickel and [TS]

  once you do start paying go to mail [TS]

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  for the talk show her out that net that [TS]

  tts and if you use that URL to get [TS]

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  lifetime of your account so like if you [TS]

  use them for like the next 15 years [TS]

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  you save ten percent because you started [TS]

  by going to mail route dotnet [TS]

  / tts so my thanks to them go check them [TS]

  out [TS]

  highly highly highly recommend them what [TS]

  else is going on [TS]

  you see this thing where apple launched [TS]

  their TV single sign-on he still have a [TS]

  sort of lonely lost [TS]

  yeah they lost it all right I'll give [TS]

  him that they did lunch it so John patch [TS]

  kowski put it well and sweet so just the [TS]

  other day apple launched the single this [TS]

  is the thing where you can use your like [TS]

  cable service user name and password to [TS]

  sign in and then all of the apps on like [TS]

  your apple TV that require a cable you [TS]

  know service thing to get you don't have [TS]

  to log into each one of them [TS]

  individually and you know type the four [TS]

  digits from your phone and blah blah [TS]

  blah for each app over and over again [TS]

  you sign in once at a system level and [TS]

  then the apps just pick it up and then [TS]

  they just work the problem is that they [TS]

  launched it and they don't have comcast [TS]

  they don't have time warner cable they [TS]

  don't have fios they don't have on the [TS]

  content side they don't have ABC CBS or [TS]

  ESPN they don't have HBO GO [TS]

  so it's launched but and I guess you [TS]

  know it's the big ones that i can see in [TS]

  the list and maybe I'm under estimating [TS]

  some of the ones you know like I've [TS]

  never heard of some of these like [TS]

  Hawaiian telecom well it's probably [TS]

  local hole 0 ye the ones i've heard of [TS]

  our directv and dish so if you have [TS]

  satellite TV if through directv or dish [TS]

  you're you're in but without comcast and [TS]

  time warner and fire us [TS]

  boy that's its I mean and out hopefully [TS]

  this is one of those things that it just [TS]

  takes time to get these people on board [TS]

  and maybe it's not even so much that [TS]

  they're reluctant to sign up but that [TS]

  there they just need time to get [TS]

  integrated on their back ends but this [TS]

  doesn't look good either because this [TS]

  was announced at WWDC yeah right and it [TS]

  was emphasized and reiterated in the in [TS]

  the iphone event September that later [TS]

  this year [TS]

  we're gonna you know roll this out this [TS]

  is when they announced that the video [TS]

  app is renamed to TV on iOS it was [TS]

  announced and I don't you know if this [TS]

  is all they're going to have by the end [TS]

  of the year boy that's it's nowhere near [TS]

  what they were promising in September so [TS]

  this is another one where I feel like [TS]

  Apple is really falling short [TS]

  I I wouldn't have thought they would [TS]

  have announced that when they didn't [TS]

  less they had on the biggest services [TS]

  signed on especially HBO they have a [TS]

  partnership with although I mean I guess [TS]

  it's HBO via these providers and other [TS]

  providers still the issue but HPS app is [TS]

  not listed so conceivably unit HBO and [TS]

  the providers couldn't get a deal then [TS]

  you know maybe HBO as contracts that [TS]

  prohibited unless providers degree some [TS]

  of the apps are ios-only and some rtds [TS]

  only most hurt most of those are there [TS]

  are some one platform only TSD vos as [TS]

  well it is weird because it seemed i [TS]

  mean if you don't have comcast and time [TS]

  warner why wouldn't you have why would [TS]

  you have launched why would you announce [TS]

  like pressure like well we'll get some [TS]

  of the big ones and you know they have [TS]

  some of them to directv makes sense [TS]

  because AT&T connection all that but it [TS]

  just it's a it seems to me to go [TS]

  hand-in-hand with their pods in terms of [TS]

  that it seems like they were taken by [TS]

  surprise like with a thought that they [TS]

  had this and it ends up they don't [TS]

  whether it's a negotiation thing that [TS]

  wasn't finalized or if it's a technical [TS]

  thing or a little bit of column a and a [TS]

  little bit of column be seems to me that [TS]

  in September they thought they were [TS]

  going to have this by you know around [TS]

  now the end of end of november very [TS]

  early December and it they don't [TS]

  well we've heard you know about any key [TS]

  showing up with the untucked shirt and [TS]

  getting like the famous detail and [TS]

  pissing off TV or you know exactly what [TS]

  I'm Warner right was a time when yeah [TS]

  it's like I mean there is a little i [TS]

  don't i'm not going to credit that with [TS]

  being how real thing that was that came [TS]

  from the the cable right the side up [TS]

  from the apple cider whatever but it may [TS]

  be that they were just you know they've [TS]

  apples be able to pull through a lot of [TS]

  deals on the advantage of bringing a ton [TS]

  of users along [TS]

  I'm being a net benefit for [TS]

  subscriptions and there's this related [TS]

  discussion that one wasn't just on TV OS [TS]

  that Apple may drop that the for [TS]

  subscriptions from thirty percent of 15 [TS]

  / yes yes [TS]

  so which would be it's a nice big carrot [TS]

  to give to any of the cable saw a cable [TS]

  networks and i'm always confused about [TS]

  exactly i don't follow this closely [TS]

  enough which premium channels are owned [TS]

  by which cable or media company and [TS]

  because the cable companies now own sort [TS]

  of change the media companies it's all [TS]

  slightly interrelated there too so it's [TS]

  some cases you're like all right well [TS]

  they income you know comcast is all the [TS]

  different providers are going to move I [TS]

  mean everyone knows that eventually it's [TS]

  going to be unbundled right very [TS]

  everything's gonna be unbundled it [TS]

  they're all fighting against it as hard [TS]

  as they can but we've seen all the [TS]

  cracks and AT&T and DirecTV now deal is [TS]

  no part of its not necessarily even [TS]

  financially fantastic unless you do that [TS]

  early sign up deal the $35 400 channels [TS]

  like you know lock-in like that's a good [TS]

  deal i think but we're coming we're [TS]

  going to come to a world in which [TS]

  bandwidth is one thing I've got my [TS]

  gigabit internet as long as it lasts [TS]

  from centurylink which is a you know [TS]

  bottom to your telco that is has a lot [TS]

  of a copper installed so their sweat [TS]

  trying to switch to fiber but have to [TS]

  hope they actually survived and this is [TS]

  viable but you know even comcast is [TS]

  delivering higher speeds or delivering [TS]

  higher caps there's all these [TS]

  zero-rating issues that are coming up [TS]

  with AT&T in terms of how they'll count [TS]

  direct TV streaming over wireless like [TS]

  there's a whole swirling the asthma [TS]

  things and I would have thought in the [TS]

  middle of this that apple would have [TS]

  been a great tool for the cable [TS]

  operators to extend value and for the [TS]

  cable channels they own which are many [TS]

  of them to you know have more people [TS]

  signed up in various ways and though it [TS]

  you know happening to me and they're all [TS]

  single sign-on thing seems to me like [TS]

  why not like if you wear comcast like a [TS]

  few all of a sudden you're an executive [TS]

  at comcast I can see where they're wary [TS]

  of things that enable cord-cutting right [TS]

  because they don't they you know they [TS]

  want to fight that and they want to milk [TS]

  the [TS]

  that we have these customers paying us a [TS]

  hundred and some dollars a month every [TS]

  month for cable TV and kevin has a [TS]

  really nice deal and we want to keep [TS]

  that going as long as we can but the [TS]

  single sign on is based on that right [TS]

  it's based on the idea that you're still [TS]

  paying for a monthly thing right it's [TS]

  not a cord cutting things so why not get [TS]

  on board with it [TS]

  I i don't quite get it mm unless it's [TS]

  just technical problems unless it's [TS]

  because I can do it now right comcast i [TS]

  can use a contract signing for all sorts [TS]

  of things already been alright [TS]

  preventing me from doing it this is [TS]

  makes it harder right it is exactly [TS]

  right it's just making something easier [TS]

  for the b-24 the person you know for the [TS]

  user that that you can already do i [TS]

  already have on my I have comcast [TS]

  service and I have an apple TV and I [TS]

  have at least a handful of apps from [TS]

  cable channels like HBO the main one [TS]

  where I have to sign in with my comcast [TS]

  credentials to prove that i have cable [TS]

  this would just make it easier and I so [TS]

  it's it's a little frustrating to me I [TS]

  have to believe that comcast and the [TS]

  other big ones think they're going to [TS]

  lose some kind of audience presence to [TS]

  apple by allowing Apple 2 / brand it [TS]

  there's also the the melding of it right [TS]

  the TV app is going to going to but that [TS]

  was different [TS]

  again I can see why they're not [TS]

  participate you know like that [TS]

  yea networks in particular is is a [TS]

  holdout on that speaking is right for [TS]

  these other these other things will go [TS]

  right i mean a TV app will include a lot [TS]

  of likes of drawn from all these other [TS]

  apps so it's not necessarily a perfect [TS]

  overlap that they're not allowing this [TS]

  it just seems it seems inconvenient [TS]

  instead of a strategy so i have to [TS]

  believe there's something we don't [TS]

  understand let's not just peek or [TS]

  there's some money that should be [TS]

  changing hands that apple doesn't wanna [TS]

  pay or comcast exception thinks they're [TS]

  losing out so I saw the other day that [TS]

  netflix became the top-grossing iOS app [TS]

  and now i just looked as we're talking [TS]

  and it's slipped to number two behind [TS]

  clash Royale interesting but it's you [TS]

  know it now that they caused it used to [TS]

  be that they didn't take sign ups [TS]

  because I guess they didn't want to [TS]

  split the money with Apple you had to [TS]

  you know sign up for netflix outside of [TS]

  iOS android browser and then you can [TS]

  sign in with your credentials but now [TS]

  that they're taking the [TS]

  the in-app purchases there the [TS]

  number-two grossing app and that's only [TS]

  counting the people who are paying [TS]

  through iOS not all of us who have been [TS]

  signed up for netflix for years aren't [TS]

  even in there so in terms of like Hayes [TS]

  netflix doing well that looks like they [TS]

  are but I'm curious this is one of those [TS]

  things that I've sort of lost track of [TS]

  is that whole ok we're going to give [TS]

  some of you guys the big-name TV [TS]

  channels in 8515 split instead of 7030 [TS]

  like did netflix get in on that or were [TS]

  they too soon [TS]

  like is this based on an 8515 splitter [TS]

  7030 I don't know if anybody knows that [TS]

  other than you know apple and netflix i [TS]

  don't think i've seen anything that's [TS]

  even hinted that someone new which ones [TS]

  were involved it i have to believe see [TS]

  for netflix has interesting situation [TS]

  like Apple doing that second year [TS]

  subscription price you know the only [TS]

  paying fifteen percent commission now [TS]

  like that's part of that's changed I [TS]

  think a lot of people found significant [TS]

  worthwhile especially in the for smaller [TS]

  companies or anything some of the bigger [TS]

  ones that sell subscriptions stuff and [TS]

  really rely on the internet purchases [TS]

  based purchase system but the netflix [TS]

  may have reached a point where it is [TS]

  saturated its ability to acquire market [TS]

  from our to acquire customers in a way [TS]

  that they know the cost is to be lower [TS]

  than thirty percent if they're not [TS]

  getting 15-percent they may have said [TS]

  are we not going to sweep in people that [TS]

  we're not getting our number of [TS]

  spreadsheets shows that giving up an [TS]

  extra fifteen percent here is worthwhile [TS]

  right after the first year because it [TS]

  pencils out good for us and we get the [TS]

  money in the second year and some of [TS]

  these people may unsubscribe three [TS]

  subscribe to the website because we're [TS]

  not our customers and you know all works [TS]

  it's all good now because we're in the [TS]

  last X percentage people we can reach [TS]

  and they seem to have done pretty well [TS]

  with a fairly liberal policy of shared [TS]

  accounts who you know that they're not [TS]

  real doesn't seem like they're big on [TS]

  trying to lock down like you know three [TS]

  or four people sharing an account right [TS]

  across a bunch of because it seems like [TS]

  they're you know they have the right [TS]

  idea which is look somebody's paying us [TS]

  ten bucks a month or whatever it is and [TS]

  multiply it by the number of [TS]

  x millions of other people who are [TS]

  paying us ten bucks a month if you know [TS]

  there's some leakage here of shared [TS]

  accounts [TS]

  who cares the money coming in is great [TS]

  and growing in the content you know what [TS]

  we're paying for the content is here so [TS]

  we're you know you know it seems like [TS]

  they've they've always had a good [TS]

  balance in that front [TS]

  yeah i agree I agree all right last time [TS]

  I can think of is you want to talk about [TS]

  forehead Manchus column this week in the [TS]

  New York Times which was told the death [TS]

  of gadgets [TS]

  yeah kinda i kinda like this piece [TS]

  because I realized it seem like I'm [TS]

  trying to think how many years ago has [TS]

  occurred to me i think when gizmodo said [TS]

  that they were going to sort of change [TS]

  how they approached what they do with [TS]

  reporting and structure and was like [TS]

  three years ago now and yeah maybe I [TS]

  don't know there was a point at which it [TS]

  seemed like gadgets started to go away [TS]

  like the obsessive focus on gadgets or [TS]

  something is moto was the first to there [TS]

  was any gadget then there was gadgets [TS]

  and then they were you know a thousand [TS]

  thousand blogs that were devoted to [TS]

  obsessive coverage with as much leaked [TS]

  information and unboxing and everything [TS]

  is possible every little doodad that [TS]

  came out and i'll tell you like even on [TS]

  my now dead [TS]

  I mean still archive Wi-Fi networking [TS]

  site one of the most popular things I [TS]

  ever posted there was a tiny is a post a [TS]

  tiny video about this thing called a [TS]

  canary wireless something and it was [TS]

  like a tiny standalone device that would [TS]

  show you what Wi-Fi networks were around [TS]

  you is like a handheld Wi-Fi detector [TS]

  and with list off the network's an LED [TS]

  display a LCD display and people I mean [TS]

  that still gets traffic which is weird [TS]

  to me now but people were obsessed with [TS]

  gadgets for the longest time in it it it [TS]

  really did help you know it was a proven [TS]

  way to get traffic it was a proven way [TS]

  to get advertising the whole ecosystem [TS]

  worked in some of these sites became [TS]

  super highly trafficked and then I felt [TS]

  like it shifted I felt like people were [TS]

  less obsessed with it and I was like [TS]

  well what would really happen to people [TS]

  have enough gadgets like as that run out [TS]

  are we replacing multi-property [TS]

  single-purpose things with multi-purpose [TS]

  things and it's slowly kind of Abdul and [TS]

  I think I feel like for how to put a [TS]

  really good cap on it the gadget [TS]

  apocalypse is upon us is his head right [TS]

  and it starts out remember gadgets and [TS]

  thought [TS]

  no this is a good concept is like we had [TS]

  decades in which like they're all [TS]

  transistor radios remember the big thing [TS]

  to me was remember the flip how quickly [TS]

  that lip died it was this giant thing [TS]

  right and then everyone I'd never heard [TS]

  of it [TS]

  suddenly everyone has one and suddenly [TS]

  they blame out it was incredible well [TS]

  you know what I don't did I think that [TS]

  part of this is that the smartphone is [TS]

  the super gadget yeah right and you know [TS]

  for example that's exactly what I'm [TS]

  gonna flip is a got killed by a pic got [TS]

  killed by the phone and I think a lot of [TS]

  other things have to transistor radio I [TS]

  mean it's everything right it's our [TS]

  camera it's our Walkman it's our ipod [TS]

  it's our it's our newspaper [TS]

  it's you know HD radio satellite radio I [TS]

  mean certainly do think is doing ok [TS]

  I mean it's not small but it's not as I [TS]

  think it had a bigger arc yeah but you [TS]

  can get wife listen to XM honor of [TS]

  iphone which is smart for the most part [TS]

  they don't let you know how much the [TS]

  satellites cost the launch their failure [TS]

  with some other satellites and the [TS]

  Boeing issue i mean there's satellites [TS]

  are not a great way to run a business [TS]

  like pebble that you know that this was [TS]

  precipitated by pebble write about my 50 [TS]

  and then saying well you know we don't [TS]

  know how long we're not we're not gonna [TS]

  make her ship anymore watching yeah they [TS]

  didn't really something like they sold [TS]

  it as a platform that's more than actual [TS]

  higher [TS]

  where exactly where it bought their [TS]

  engineering and but whatever but it had [TS]

  no food no future with with between [TS]

  smartwatches from major vendors like [TS]

  Apple and I phones and smartphones that [TS]

  have more capabilities like what's going [TS]

  to happen with Fitbit what's going to [TS]

  happen with you know and then nesters a [TS]

  lot of discussion about what happens to [TS]

  nest [TS]

  does it have a future exactly you see [TS]

  this is a realist Ori I'd miss this and [TS]

  I felt sort of feel for a terrible on 3d [TS]

  robotics was founded by the drone [TS]

  company personal drug company founded by [TS]

  Chris Andersen and a partner and [TS]

  Christians to be the editor-in-chief [TS]

  wire in a few years ago he left wire to [TS]

  take over full time they raised the [TS]

  hundred million dollars in venture they [TS]

  tried to produce a super-premium [TS]

  drone that would be like if it's the [TS]

  kind of move from kits and other stuff [TS]

  to the super-premium drone there's a lot [TS]

  of problems in production by the time [TS]

  they got to kind of a point where things [TS]

  were okay [TS]

  china had basically caught up like sheep [TS]

  production in China had overtaken their [TS]

  ability to make something that what was [TS]

  competitively priced and that's part of [TS]

  the story so that is part of the issue [TS]

  is anything you can make like you look [TS]

  at next you're like well i can pay two [TS]

  dollars i think it's still for the first [TS]

  unit you can get IP cameras that don't [TS]

  have the same cloud functionality or [TS]

  different horrible security problems but [TS]

  they cost like 30 bucks now you know and [TS]

  they're slightly worse it's the not [TS]

  quite good enough but not so horrible [TS]

  that people just completely abandoned it [TS]

  kind of thing and that's a you know [TS]

  we've got that far less up a bunch of [TS]

  stuff but it's a good time together like [TS]

  MakerBot not really having the level the [TS]

  end it's it's sort of sad because [TS]

  gadgets kind of drove the entire [TS]

  electronics and technology industry [TS]

  we've always loved them but yeah you [TS]

  know we saw this happen with with the [TS]

  snapshot cameras stopped rolling cameras [TS]

  are not dad's category but they might as [TS]

  well be and even dls ours have been [TS]

  haven't eaten away it's not this way to [TS]

  you don't choose between a [TS]

  five-thousand-dollar dlsr and a [TS]

  smartphone but mirrorless cameras which [TS]

  are much less expensive can be my also [TS]

  things are going to eat away there so i [TS]

  think another thing with the cameras is [TS]

  in addition to be eaten by the phone at [TS]

  the last summer at the high end they've [TS]

  also reached a point where the rapid [TS]

  increases in the digital quality FCO's [TS]

  where your it's more like the film days [TS]

  right like in a film era you could get [TS]

  you could be like a serious even a [TS]

  professional photographer and not buy [TS]

  new equipment for long stretches of time [TS]

  right you didn't really break because [TS]

  number one the high-end stuff is usually [TS]

  made built to last [TS]

  really great build quality shoot in and [TS]

  the technology stop changing it was the [TS]

  same 35-millimeter film you're a good [TS]

  lens was a good lens in it you know and [TS]

  i think the digital I've sort of gotten [TS]

  to that point to where we're even the [TS]

  pros don't need to buy cameras is [TS]

  frequently because they're not getting [TS]

  as much bang for the buck bike upgrading [TS]

  after two or three years [TS]

  yeah you can't you can't i mean the [TS]

  megapixel me [TS]

  visit megapixel math right there's a [TS]

  point at which beyond which a better [TS]

  sensor bigger better sensor doesn't buy [TS]

  you enough more to be worth upgrading [TS]

  even if it is better [TS]

  that's where electrons friend agrees [TS]

  computational photography as a gimmick [TS]

  there's a camera called the light l16 [TS]

  that hasn't shipped yet that it's 16 [TS]

  lenses on it and we'll let you create [TS]

  like this 52 megapixel image with a tiny [TS]

  format camera using computational [TS]

  photography it's a very curious approach [TS]

  is not gonna be a mass-market thing but [TS]

  it's very interesting you know so but [TS]

  that's I think that's the truth with [TS]

  everything that GoPro just stumbled they [TS]

  try to expand a different market and [TS]

  gopro isn't the new flip I've been [TS]

  saying this forever feels like they had [TS]

  a great i mean they had a great run i [TS]

  hope people make money because they had [TS]

  a great run they had a niche product and [TS]

  you know so i don't know i'm a little [TS]

  sad because I grew up with gadgets and I [TS]

  feel like I wasn't like a gadget you [TS]

  know maybe I never really got into the [TS]

  gadget blogging side of things that you [TS]

  review products i Ken things like that [TS]

  but you know that he was also point out [TS]

  the kindle kindle the echo like these [TS]

  kinds of the echo is a gadget killer at [TS]

  some level because you don't imitate [TS]

  other gadgets that's why i argit but [TS]

  it's one model with the gods around one [TS]

  giant company right that's is sort of [TS]

  that and that is sort of the smartphone [TS]

  as the gadget killer is that the [TS]

  computers have gotten so good that meta [TS]

  gadgets are killing is it you know like [TS]

  a handful of really good smart computers [TS]

  like an echo and a mac and iphone and [TS]

  all of a sudden it they combined obviate [TS]

  an entire drawer full of gadgets like [TS]

  what else do you need you don't need a [TS]

  music player to camp we don't use [TS]

  snapshot go pro style camera and a voice [TS]

  recorder you know but you get a case for [TS]

  your camera is now your GoPro right like [TS]

  I've seen a lot of that rat and uh and i [TS]

  was testing some add-on lenses for [TS]

  iphone 6 s's that'll work with a [TS]

  different case for the iphone 7 iphone 7 [TS]

  plus is just ridiculously good to like [TS]

  the two line is really you have one [TS]

  still advertise driver i have my review [TS]

  unit here I i just took pictures in the [TS]

  dark [TS]

  outdoor snow it's night this it's cloudy [TS]

  i'm in Seattle and I took pictures that [TS]

  i think are absolutely beautiful with [TS]

  the one [TS]

  x lens i I'm like I'm like I can't get a [TS]

  you know i have to i pulled out my [TS]

  diving mirrorless camera without you [TS]

  know it's like that when i bought it [TS]

  like a thousand-dollar system i hope [TS]

  pancake lens for this an affordable [TS]

  pancake i went to the pictures with that [TS]

  and you know the difference is not in [TS]

  that kind of lighting i think it is that [TS]

  the mirrorless i have i can push it to [TS]

  25,600 SI where it's super granny so i [TS]

  have to bump it down the quality of the [TS]

  image for the iphone 7 plus and the [TS]

  thousand-dollar mirrorless I'm like uh [TS]

  you know the mirrorless other attributes [TS]

  that are great but for that kind of shot [TS]

  i'm like i don't think that it's not [TS]

  really [TS]

  yeah so I don't think it's the death of [TS]

  gadgets but i think it's the death of [TS]

  the a drawer full of gadgets or right so [TS]

  yeah that's a good point that's a good [TS]

  it is good column i'll put a link [TS]

  internet his point was i think that like [TS]

  amazon google apple and a handful of [TS]

  their companies essentially now [TS]

  dominates the berries for innovative [TS]

  startup interesting niche things is not [TS]

  dead but like at the moment it the what [TS]

  those are going to be I think seems [TS]

  pretty yeah i think i think it's andrew [TS]

  to iive along thought that's about like [TS]

  and publish a perfect example where the [TS]

  hand this small team or maybe even the [TS]

  one-person show i can still make it an [TS]

  enormous effect with software but with [TS]

  hardware at least electronic hardware [TS]

  know and i think that's I really think [TS]

  that pebble their first one was good [TS]

  enough to be their first one but their [TS]

  improvements or subsequent movements [TS]

  were way too little too late that way [TS]

  too slow pace they needed knowledge [TS]

  better screens and much better [TS]

  everything much quicker and I think I [TS]

  don't even know that it was a failure i [TS]

  think it you know in terms of I don't [TS]

  know that that a team that small could [TS]

  have done better [TS]

  like you'd almost have to be apples or [TS]

  Amazon or Google size 22 do stuff like [TS]

  that i think you're right in the pebble [TS]

  hit this point when the finger at best i [TS]

  think you said was notifications after [TS]

  commodity else but it couldn't integrate [TS]

  well enough right with everything and [TS]

  that didn't change because I less didn't [TS]

  change right now and my personal take on [TS]

  your notifications the thing that killed [TS]

  it for me above and beyond the display [TS]

  was that i found their vibrate they're [TS]

  vibrating engine for the notifications [TS]

  to be physically [TS]

  unpleasant oh my gosh well and obviously [TS]

  other people disagree because i have [TS]

  friends you know like Jason's now and my [TS]

  front pocket officers who were there [TS]

  pebble watches or maybe even still [TS]

  working i don't know but warm for a long [TS]

  time but i found it to be unpleasant it [TS]

  was way too much of a it just it just [TS]

  wasn't a very pleasing haptic feedback [TS]

  and it was the best feature of the watch [TS]

  had and so it made me dread taking [TS]

  advantage of the best VII didn't want [TS]

  any notifications because i found it to [TS]

  be unpleasant [TS]

  so all I don't know anyway I i have got [TS]

  to go we gotta wrap it up the spoon just [TS]

  hit the two-hour mark so that's a show I [TS]

  Glenn FGL en n two ends you get a second [TS]

  end for free [TS]

  Glenn half on Twitter we're asking [TS]

  people find find your uh I want a lot at [TS]

  macworld some some days the poor folks [TS]

  back with some days because of all the [TS]

  help questions I write all that you may [TS]

  see too much of it now [TS]

  macworld calm and my think that's [TS]

  probably the best places right now to [TS]

  find I point out too by the way we [TS]

  didn't cover this very briefly i do the [TS]

  story up today if you have an apple [TS]

  cinema display with displayport not an [TS]

  apple thunderbolt display looks like [TS]

  there may be some solutions coming one [TS]

  person found this amazing three cable [TS]

  solution to use with a macbook pro it's [TS]

  like it's like an adapter a cable and an [TS]

  inline coupler and it works and that [TS]

  cause like 30 bucks but there are some [TS]

  adapters coming i know tons of people [TS]

  keep asking about that that would come [TS]

  up at macworld about it and if you have [TS]

  one of those displays and your USBC [TS]

  wonderful three concern is real then [TS]

  look at that with that it's a show [TS]

  Thank You Glenn thank you so much [TS]