The Talk Show

174: ‘Election Escape Key’, With Special Guest Joanna Stern

 

  I what you want to talk about first [TS]

  we've got we don't have too much but i [TS]

  think the macbook pros are still [TS]

  interesting because i had a show before [TS]

  thanksgiving with Jason snail but at the [TS]

  time we have recorded that it was sort [TS]

  of at the time I like maybe possibly [TS]

  early orders were like unboxing their [TS]

  macbook pros but at the time it was [TS]

  really just people who had the the [TS]

  review units who'd had them whereas now [TS]

  lots and lots of people have macbook [TS]

  pros we have some real world experience [TS]

  might as well talk about it first [TS]

  yeah and I reached out to that was when [TS]

  I know I i really enjoyed your review [TS]

  and then let me let me pull up what you [TS]

  said about my review and it was it was [TS]

  good and I was like I need to come on [TS]

  the podcast and defend myself and and [TS]

  you know what we are also we can talk [TS]

  about i'm going to i decided i'm going [TS]

  to put the mic right up against the [TS]

  macbook pro keyboard so and even though [TS]

  your your your listeners your listeners [TS]

  don't like loud sounds [TS]

  I can just be typing on my macbook pro [TS]

  the entire time and which will annoy [TS]

  them or maybe that one into that that is [TS]

  a good topic I I'm glad you brought that [TS]

  up i would have been furious if if we [TS]

  hit stop and we stopped recording and [TS]

  never brought up the the sound loud [TS]

  keyboards all right what did I say let's [TS]

  see i can find it first [TS]

  oh so you said I'm so you said very good [TS]

  take as usual it felt really good to get [TS]

  that and then I i say that it that it's [TS]

  baffling let me out quote what I would I [TS]

  ruin I said I'm why this isn't available [TS]

  and this is the the touch ID isn't [TS]

  available on all of apple's macbook [TS]

  laptops especially the entry-level [TS]

  13-inch no touch bar pro is baffling and [TS]

  you said not baffling at all maybe you [TS]

  should do it you should read your own [TS]

  things like an interactive realize your [TS]

  emotions well I should do like your your [TS]

  vote what I think is your voice yes yeah [TS]

  you should just do my way not to [TS]

  baffling at all with Apple you have to [TS]

  pay for awesome new stuff that a good [TS]

  impression [TS]

  that's pretty good [TS]

  I think touch ID combined with the [TS]

  secure Enclave is so is at least half [TS]

  the value of the entire touch bar it's [TS]

  funny because I would say it no pun [TS]

  intended your impression your impression [TS]

  of me is is a little stern it is much [TS]

  better than my wife's that my wife's [TS]

  impression of me is always sort of that [TS]

  I'm like adult who the the girl who [TS]

  threw the tooth book that's out there [TS]

  that's how many does it does me and it's [TS]

  pretty and I i actually just hear your [TS]

  voice I don't hear i don't hear what [TS]

  every voice I did that was just like a [TS]

  this is what that [TS]

  yeah a blogger and i'm in a man with the [TS]

  computer you know that's what I am job [TS]

  in with computers not battling at all [TS]

  but you know what at this is exactly [TS]

  what I mean that what i mean by that and [TS]

  you know it's the format of during [TS]

  firewall that I tried to be now I do [TS]

  apologize it [TS]

  what's that i apologizing for for not [TS]

  apologizing but I I sometimes wonder if [TS]

  it's too easy to get CZ to be a little [TS]

  because I'm so terse sometimes that it's [TS]

  you know I that's why I sort of like [TS]

  having a podcast on the side is that we [TS]

  can go on lengthy digressions over when [TS]

  I'm looking at it right now two [TS]

  sentences it you know it's when when [TS]

  something new comes out like touch ID [TS]

  it's only available on the premium price [TS]

  models and you have to wait I know and [TS]

  I'm sure like a year from now the [TS]

  mid-range model will probably be [TS]

  upgraded with you know the touch bar I i [TS]

  hear that but let's let's think about [TS]

  how long I phone owners have had touch [TS]

  ID almost i would say now what ninety [TS]

  percent of iphone owners have touch ID [TS]

  yeah I would think so many how many at [TS]

  like we're going back to five hours [TS]

  range of right so okay maybe probably [TS]

  know I don't know I have the percentages [TS]

  you really only applies the percentages [TS]

  but that's that's a long time and we've [TS]

  all got used [TS]

  using it on our iPhone and it's great [TS]

  it's it's it's magical [TS]

  really you the the fact that you're able [TS]

  to do so many things now with your your [TS]

  your fingerprint and you don't have to [TS]

  punch and passwords it really made lives [TS]

  better it makes your life better on the [TS]

  macbook pro why can't I do it on a [TS]

  macbook why can't I do it on really just [TS]

  the macbook because that's really the [TS]

  only two new laptops apple has it just [TS]

  it kind of makes sense and and on on the [TS]

  on the 13-inch no touch bar which is [TS]

  supposed to be I think what they thought [TS]

  would be a very sort of not entry-level [TS]

  for $1,500 obviously but this basic [TS]

  model it seems like you could have this [TS]

  without the touch bar now I know there's [TS]

  a lot of technology that you could get [TS]

  that comes along with the touch bar but [TS]

  I don't know it just seems like it [TS]

  should be there [TS]

  my guess is that part of it is product [TS]

  marketing it with meaning putting the [TS]

  this appealing new feature or only at [TS]

  these higher price points what I think [TS]

  it's like 1799 for the first one that [TS]

  has the touch part yeah 1804 vs 1500 for [TS]

  the entry i think i keep saying entry [TS]

  level but it's that I guess it is entry [TS]

  level for the new yeah pros right then [TS]

  and it's you know clearly clearly [TS]

  occupies the mid range of the overall [TS]

  lineup it is right i would say it is the [TS]

  central you know it's the very middle of [TS]

  the lineup that right you know combined [TS]

  with the high-end regular macbook are [TS]

  sort of right there around the same [TS]

  price point and it's we know which one [TS]

  you want the super thin and light or the [TS]

  more powerful one right and i think my [TS]

  recommendation I i had i struggled with [TS]

  this review more than any review i've [TS]

  written in a number of years because to [TS]

  me there wasn't a very clear you should [TS]

  get this one [TS]

  I'm not that I usually tell people you [TS]

  should get this one but it that you [TS]

  deserve you talk through what you may [TS]

  want but it was so complicated and when [TS]

  you look at that 13-inch without the [TS]

  touch bar without touch ID without the [TS]

  extra ports with a slower processor [TS]

  but it's like why even though that seems [TS]

  like the one you'd want to recommend to [TS]

  people right if you don't need the touch [TS]

  bar get this one but you but you can't [TS]

  really say that because it doesn't have [TS]

  touch ID it doesn't have the extra ports [TS]

  and you're sort of like in this place we [TS]

  like you should pay three hundred [TS]

  dollars more to get this other one even [TS]

  though you might not use the touch bark [TS]

  yeah and if you compare that model the [TS]

  new 13-inch yeah I as it's called the [TS]

  macbook escape right all right if you [TS]

  compare that one to the remaining old [TS]

  generation 13-inch macbook pros that [TS]

  they're still selling the ones that have [TS]

  the SD card slot in it you know the old [TS]

  school USB a port [TS]

  it's cool that's a tough decision for [TS]

  that would be a tough decision even for [TS]

  me personally like if I and that was the [TS]

  tape that's my entire review right like [TS]

  my entire review was there's a new thing [TS]

  it's good i I don't I don't think it's [TS]

  bad it's very good there's a lot of [TS]

  great things in it but there's this old [TS]

  thing that is also still really good [TS]

  even though it hasn't been updated in [TS]

  many years and I don't really know which [TS]

  one to tell you to buy so let's just go [TS]

  through what's good here what's bad [TS]

  there and you decide you know I'm and i [TS]

  still like i like i don't even want to [TS]

  think about like I'm happy we did this [TS]

  podcast like a couple weeks after [TS]

  because like my brain hurt from thinking [TS]

  about macbooks so much agree it was [TS]

  actually great timing was happening [TS]

  during the election and it was a good [TS]

  escape in a way to escape it is it it [TS]

  was the election Escape key that's [TS]

  pretty good actually [TS]

  is that it was the macbook was the [TS]

  escape election Escape key for me you [TS]

  know like I i spent a lot of hours like [TS]

  being able to think about laptops and [TS]

  not being able to not having to think [TS]

  about what the disaster that was [TS]

  happening everywhere else so i will say [TS]

  this I I think you have a very good [TS]

  point that maybe it has taken to long [TS]

  for touch ID to come two macbooks in [TS]

  general that if you know if we had on [TS]

  iOS all the way back to the 5s why is [TS]

  November 2016 the first time it was [TS]

  available for the man [TS]

  there i think you have a strong point [TS]

  and I can't really refuse it [TS]

  it seems to me like if anything more [TS]

  proof on the side of right if you had a [TS]

  video podcast you'd see me dancing in my [TS]

  office right now that iOS is the favored [TS]

  child of that Apple and the mac is the [TS]

  you know it you know second seattle i [TS]

  think that you know you could definitely [TS]

  argue that I might even be hard to argue [TS]

  otherwise because how long ago was the [TS]

  5s last year was the 6 plus 6 6 plus 6 [TS]

  ass success [TS]

  yes it was the six the year before so [TS]

  three years ago was when the 5s was new [TS]

  that's pretty well right right for four [TS]

  years ago right [TS]

  yeah so that's pretty long and I i agree [TS]

  with that but i'm not surprised by my [TS]

  take is that whenever it did first [TS]

  appear on the Mac of course it's going [TS]

  to start only at the high end and then [TS]

  trickle-down you're a year after year so [TS]

  I think you have a good point that maybe [TS]

  that first max with touch ID should have [TS]

  appeared across the line up at like 18 [TS]

  months after the 5s or something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah and and off and across the line up [TS]

  is my well especially when you know but [TS]

  across the lineup never wouldn't would [TS]

  have wouldn't happen all at once it [TS]

  would but but then if it happen right [TS]

  right [TS]

  if it happened two years ago then by now [TS]

  it would be across the line up right [TS]

  well or at least why didn't they come [TS]

  with the macbook and it was that was in [TS]

  my review when I reviewed the macbook [TS]

  when it first came out why is this not [TS]

  here and why is it still not there right [TS]

  yeah it could be i mean it [TS]

  maybe it's me and maybe I I would you [TS]

  know I people have had it now you're [TS]

  like you mentioned beginning the podcast [TS]

  people now have had the these new [TS]

  macbook pros maybe they aren't finding [TS]

  that it's a huge game changer for them [TS]

  but I mean I i like it a lot [TS]

  you know i'm i'm waiting for the [TS]

  dashlane integration but like I I i use [TS]

  it i mean i hate typing and passwords [TS]

  and I click open and close my laptop [TS]

  like all day long [TS]

  yeah and it's you know is i have you set [TS]

  up the thing where you can login to your [TS]

  Mac with your watch [TS]

  I haven't I haven't either because i [TS]

  went to do it and [TS]

  it seems like it was going to take like [TS]

  an hour it was just like thing it's like [TS]

  you've gotta like turn off the [TS]

  two-factor authentication and turn onto [TS]

  something else [TS]

  authentication and it really seemed like [TS]

  more trouble than it was worth [TS]

  especially since I don't wear my Apple [TS]

  watch all the time and energy just and I [TS]

  used couple of different max it's just [TS]

  seemed like it was going to be set up on [TS]

  this device and a at the same time I [TS]

  knew that I'd be testing the touch bar [TS]

  one soon enough so it's right I never [TS]

  did it and I forget people that it's not [TS]

  even that fast if it's not it's cool it [TS]

  works but it's not it may not be as fast [TS]

  as typing the password that i have in [TS]

  muscle memory that you know when I sit [TS]

  down but i'll tell you just logging into [TS]

  the thing with put your finger up there [TS]

  where that yeah just makes sense and [TS]

  it's like and it's funny just going back [TS]

  to Apple not having put this on laptops [TS]

  for years it's like the whole idea of [TS]

  fingerprint sensors and technology [TS]

  really began on enterprise windows [TS]

  laptops right they were terrible [TS]

  they were so bad you have to either [TS]

  swipe your finger in like the exact [TS]

  right direction and even then you get [TS]

  through like three different software [TS]

  layers that would say like whatever this [TS]

  you know whoever was making the the the [TS]

  fingerprint sensor would have their [TS]

  software then you have Windows software [TS]

  and apple just fixed that with the [TS]

  iphone right they fixed that would touch [TS]

  ID and then the entire android and [TS]

  Industry followed suit just like why was [TS]

  it never on laptops know so I you know I [TS]

  I I don't play I'm not surprised I I [TS]

  kind of you know circle back i think [TS]

  that i was touched idea come to the [TS]

  macbooks earlier i think this is pretty [TS]

  late but now that it's here I really [TS]

  like it [TS]

  I'm not surprised it doesn't go across [TS]

  the whole line i do wonder how much [TS]

  Apple debated internally whether to [TS]

  release that macbook escape at all and [TS]

  help but think that that was a [TS]

  discussion it just it's what why it's [TS]

  it's a weird it's a weird product [TS]

  and it's very confusing it i think if [TS]

  that product had either been three [TS]

  hundred dollars cheaper right let's say [TS]

  well then that would be like right up [TS]

  against the macbook and that would be [TS]

  confusing the whole the whole lineup is [TS]

  very confusing to me but I'm not really [TS]

  but not the whole lineup is very [TS]

  confusing to me with the old models and [TS]

  then with that 13 in the new 13-inch no [TS]

  touch bar it's very confusing to me but [TS]

  why I think if that product didn't exist [TS]

  it might be a little bit easier or if [TS]

  the price was dropped my guess is that [TS]

  it's because they this is my best guess [TS]

  is that they clearly for the last few [TS]

  years [TS]

  quite a few years they don't [TS]

  significantly change their mac hardware [TS]

  on a regular basis like I think we can [TS]

  safely assume that these new macbook [TS]

  pros are what the macbook pros are going [TS]

  to look like for at least three years [TS]

  probably for forever you yeah for a long [TS]

  time and at the most the most they might [TS]

  do would be add new like anodization [TS]

  finishes maybe total and maybe add a [TS]

  gold one or something like that or get a [TS]

  new version of black or something like [TS]

  that right and so I kind of feel that [TS]

  that $1,500 macbook escape isn't really [TS]

  there to sell in great numbers right now [TS]

  but it's there because it'll you know [TS]

  six months from now or a year from now [TS]

  it will move down you know it'll be [TS]

  thirteen hundred dollars instead of [TS]

  fifteen hundred dollars a year from now [TS]

  and maybe technically unchanged like [TS]

  that they'll do great where they don't [TS]

  change any of the yes any of the [TS]

  internals and eventually it'll be like [TS]

  1,200 1,100 dollar macbook with you know [TS]

  to us you know what that's a pretty good [TS]

  machine for an entry and maybe that is [TS]

  the machine that goes to to fill the the [TS]

  macbook air void right i mean for now [TS]

  the macbook air sticks around apples [TS]

  saying it very loud and clear the at the [TS]

  macbook air sticks around they know how [TS]

  much people love it and we can talk very [TS]

  good we could talk about some of us who [TS]

  have have considered stocking up [TS]

  the macbook air because we think it [TS]

  might be taken away at some point but [TS]

  maybe that is that's the thought process [TS]

  right like if and in my mind right and [TS]

  for someone who's constantly asked about [TS]

  laptops less less so more you know [TS]

  recently but if the no-touch bar 13 inch [TS]

  what is the quality escape the macbook [TS]

  is macbook pro escape was let's say a [TS]

  thousand dollars i think it's gonna be a [TS]

  while before it gets a thousand I I [TS]

  agree I agree agree but if it was I [TS]

  would have it would be a great system [TS]

  for students right put aside the dongle [TS]

  it situation it would be a good it would [TS]

  be great recommendation for students [TS]

  right I'm and prices part of it but also [TS]

  you all the other things that add to it [TS]

  right it would be great if I touch ID so [TS]

  okay so let's take it comes down to [TS]

  1,200 like you're saying or 1300 i think [TS]

  it is a much easier sell than it being [TS]

  $1,500 I i also think that it's that the [TS]

  touch bar as a whole including you know [TS]

  not just the actual display not just the [TS]

  touch screen but the touch ID sensor and [TS]

  the secure Enclave and the stuff that [TS]

  lets that you know it is it you know it [TS]

  really is kind of fascinating at a [TS]

  meta-level that it really is an iOS [TS]

  computer inside and Intel computer you [TS]

  know it's a computer and a computer it's [TS]

  it's a it's an input device that is [TS]

  itself a standalone computer including a [TS]

  display i think it is a it really is [TS]

  probably a you know 200-250 dollar [TS]

  component that the price difference [TS]

  between them it is a significant it's [TS]

  you know almost certainly we know it's [TS]

  way more expensive than the the trackpad [TS]

  or the keyboard it's a very expensive [TS]

  thing and it's it's not you know it's [TS]

  it's a pretty simple explanation why [TS]

  they started 18 hundred dollars it's [TS]

  because they are you know the ones with [TS]

  the touch bar have a very expensive [TS]

  component at the top of the keyboard [TS]

  totally and I'm and I don't have as big [TS]

  of a problem with the eighteen hundred [TS]

  dollars starting price on the touch bar [TS]

  I mean I i think it's high [TS]

  absolutely but when you consider that [TS]

  verses thirteen hundred dollar macbook [TS]

  old macbook pro where that starts it to [TS]

  me that that one in the middle just [TS]

  doesn't make sense the escape macbook [TS]

  pro I'll hard time recommending i really [TS]

  would you know you haven't even the fact [TS]

  that it only has two ports instead of [TS]

  four right that's the one that if [TS]

  there's one thing it as the week's go by [TS]

  that irks me the most about that is that [TS]

  it doesn't have the USBC port on the [TS]

  other side [TS]

  yeah at $53 it seems to me I understand [TS]

  i really do understand why it doesn't [TS]

  have even the touch ID because i think [TS]

  that you can't really separate the touch [TS]

  ID from the fact that it's this whole [TS]

  you know it doesn't make sense to avert [TS]

  like that to have touch ID and still [TS]

  have to have an iOS device it would just [TS]

  be an iOS device without the touchscreen [TS]

  but it would still have to have a [TS]

  miniature iOS device to have the secure [TS]

  Enclave and and all of that I don't [TS]

  think it'd be worth it for them to do [TS]

  the engineering to make it i think they [TS]

  do yeah but silly haha it's for $1,500 [TS]

  it's really seems weird to me to cheap [TS]

  out on us bc ports right yeah i mean [TS]

  like and I mean this i'm in the place [TS]

  where I want a new laptop right I've had [TS]

  this macbook air for three years now and [TS]

  I have like beat it into the ground it's [TS]

  a great system could probably you know [TS]

  keep going for someone who doesn't do as [TS]

  much stuff on their laptop as I do and I [TS]

  I don't really know what to get like I [TS]

  keep going back and forth between the [TS]

  old 13 inch pro and the tech new touch [TS]

  bar [TS]

  I'm you know and i even had my review [TS]

  saying maybe I'm holding out for one of [TS]

  these price drops or something but it [TS]

  seems like odd to me that i still really [TS]

  want a two-year-old computer and part of [TS]

  it is the ports like part of it is i [TS]

  mean i'm i'm using the mac the new [TS]

  macbook pro with touch bar to podcast [TS]

  right now and I've got two of the you [TS]

  know $40 dongles that besides I've got [TS]

  you know though the one with the hdmi [TS]

  hooked up to my monitor [TS]

  got the my external mic plugged in [TS]

  I've got ethernet plugged into the other [TS]

  one that doesn't this isn't like a [TS]

  typical setup for me but you know that [TS]

  could be one of the things you have the [TS]

  SD card slot is a thing for me i don't [TS]

  know i came here for you to tell me what [TS]

  to do [TS]

  well it on the other thing I wanted this [TS]

  one to mention is that one of my [TS]

  favorite things about the new one and [TS]

  this is another one of the reasons why [TS]

  i'm i'm kind of annoyed that that that [TS]

  the macbook escape only as the two ports [TS]

  is that one of my favorite things about [TS]

  the new thing is that you can plug the [TS]

  power on either side and it seems like [TS]

  that it's a decent trade off with losing [TS]

  magsafe i mean it's it's like i said i [TS]

  really miss mag that's a good point but [TS]

  being able to plug it in on the right [TS]

  side in a lot of cases is really makes [TS]

  it a lot more convenient there are [TS]

  certain like I i don't know why but i [TS]

  always feel like every time I ride the [TS]

  acela between philly in New York and I [TS]

  if i'm lucky enough to get one of those [TS]

  seats with that the table right it's a [TS]

  really you've done it right and its [TS]

  really really it's you know it's nice to [TS]

  have a table but you're facing it i got [TS]

  like like a table right for anybody who [TS]

  doesn't know the amtrak on the East [TS]

  Coast there's there's some seats on the [TS]

  acela trains that you faced people on [TS]

  the other side and in between you is a [TS]

  very narrow table but it's really great [TS]

  and if you can get one of those seat and [TS]

  I always feel like every time I do that [TS]

  I the seat is like means that i have to [TS]

  like snake my power cord around people [TS]

  right it's 23 you're here like sitting [TS]

  left yes I always sitting on the left [TS]

  and it would be sit would be do you know [TS]

  it's not like wow that really changes my [TS]

  life that I have to drag the cable [TS]

  around the outside of my computer and [TS]

  plug it in but it would sure be a lot [TS]

  nicer if I could just have it sneak [TS]

  sneak up right next to my lap and just [TS]

  plug it in on the right side and that's [TS]

  a really good point [TS]

  I i thought you know maybe maybe part of [TS]

  the reason I've always chosen the left [TS]

  side of the bed is because of magsafe [TS]

  it's possible right [TS]

  what if that's true I don't even think [TS]

  about that but people using laptops in [TS]

  bed [TS]

  it's not my life [TS]

  stop in bed like all the time yeah i'm a [TS]

  phone I'd iphone in bed all only and [TS]

  always [TS]

  yeah me too but I like you know from [TS]

  writing late at night and I was like I [TS]

  don't want to be sitting at my desk or [TS]

  I'm if you look at that point the right [TS]

  side of the bed people have been screwed [TS]

  for forever but in my lat in our last [TS]

  two plate two apartments i always have [TS]

  to chose the left side now that's very [TS]

  selfish of me much [TS]

  well might you know my wife doesn't love [TS]

  magsafe as much as i do I guess she's [TS]

  probably like who cares right right [TS]

  and interestingly like you know usually [TS]

  you pick based on like which side is [TS]

  closest to the bathroom right like that [TS]

  that's usually one of the choices at [TS]

  least for women but I guess men to men [TS]

  and men pee in the middle of the night [TS]

  oh yeah that thing all the time I don't [TS]

  live with a man so I don't know [TS]

  anyway um and so in this apartment i'm [TS]

  on the left side and that's not even the [TS]

  closest to the bathroom so i think it is [TS]

  the answer back safe has determined what [TS]

  side of the bed [TS]

  nicely done no anyway I still don't know [TS]

  what to do I don't know what to do and [TS]

  I'm just gonna keep just figuring it out [TS]

  and yes we had I had this funny [TS]

  conversation on Twitter last night with [TS]

  walt mossberg because apparently on his [TS]

  podcast he mentioned that he has bought [TS]

  and I guess it's a recent it's the [TS]

  newest model of the macbook air and he [TS]

  has this model in the box unused stored [TS]

  in his house till his current one stops [TS]

  working because he's worried apples [TS]

  going to discontinue it [TS]

  this is this is the thing he's [TS]

  stockpiling and saving up for doomsday [TS]

  of the macbook air and I have agreed [TS]

  with some hearing you're like that's a [TS]

  crazy i think that's really the genius [TS]

  idea like so it's like you've got like [TS]

  it's like my 2k shelter you got like you [TS]

  know a bunch of canned food I like what [TS]

  I'm one of those people that like if I [TS]

  have a shirt or something that i love i [TS]

  have i will buy a couple of of out ya [TS]

  bye bye bye a couple versions of the [TS]

  shirt i'll buy like i do that i do that [TS]

  and so I just never really [TS]

  thought about doing it for tech in a way [TS]

  especially not a laptop that cost over [TS]

  $3,000 I don't really have that kind of [TS]

  money where I want to just like saving [TS]

  why I was a dollar laptop in my closet [TS]

  to be honest i chimed in on Twitter and [TS]

  I was like you guys are nuts because I i [TS]

  can't i can't imagine acurite you really [TS]

  are we are [TS]

  I cannot retina screen it looks terrible [TS]

  event Thompson my friend of the show [TS]

  sometimes guess Ben Thompson had the [TS]

  same feelings where he felt like I don't [TS]

  put words in his mouth but more or less [TS]

  that the the nice things about the [TS]

  macbook air that you like the keyboard [TS]

  you like the thinnest like the weight [TS]

  you like having a couple of those [TS]

  different ports he bought 12 I like I'm [TS]

  gonna buy one while it's still available [TS]

  open it up looked at the screen door [TS]

  closed it packed it back up and send it [TS]

  back to apple because he had forgotten [TS]

  just how crude the non retina displays [TS]

  are I can't see what there is that is [TS]

  appealing about the macbook air other [TS]

  than the price and I know that it's not [TS]

  like you and Walt are are you know [TS]

  limited $2,000 I don't stand right here [TS]

  that anymore i see no appeal to the [TS]

  current macbook air other than price I'd [TS]

  not 00 again really wanted to stockpile [TS]

  something if the ports were what's [TS]

  important to you why not get the 13-inch [TS]

  grabbed 13 inch yeah and that's I mean [TS]

  that's what I've said and I mean I [TS]

  totally agree i'm not buying another air [TS]

  but i love this laptop I just like have [TS]

  a special place in my heart for this [TS]

  laptop and that's like why I guess they [TS]

  said like I came back to this laptop [TS]

  after two weeks and I was like I could [TS]

  work with this [TS]

  yeah I'm not like yes the screen is [TS]

  definitely this big jar adjustment back [TS]

  to basically seeing pixels all the time [TS]

  but I just I just love it just feels [TS]

  like home you know [TS]

  alright I'm going to think maybe maybe a [TS]

  little bit more time at the macbook pro [TS]

  and I could feel a little bit at home I [TS]

  won't take a break but when we come back [TS]

  we should talk about the the keyboard [TS]

  yeah remind me [TS]

  I just be typing loudly here during your [TS]

  first sponsor is a i love this company [TS]

  and I love their product it's 0 te R 0 0 [TS]

  makes the Wi-Fi routers little little [TS]

  hockey puck things and they're brand new [TS]

  and it's a totally different model it is [TS]

  this is this is a totally different [TS]

  system into distributed system they [TS]

  really only make one one type of device [TS]

  typically you what you do those you get [TS]

  a couple of them to place them around [TS]

  your house your apartment and they [TS]

  create a distributed system to fill your [TS]

  whole house with Wi-Fi having just one [TS]

  router somewhere probably in your living [TS]

  room really doesn't work for multi-room [TS]

  homes its if you ever if you've got any [TS]

  spots in your house like a bedroom two [TS]

  floors up which is what I've got that [TS]

  gets yeah i kinda like yeah I got Wi-Fi [TS]

  but it's like nowhere near as good as it [TS]

  is downstairs hero solves that problem [TS]

  and they do it painlessly kind of right [TS]

  on time with rumors that apple is [TS]

  getting out of the airport business and [TS]

  they haven't updated their airport [TS]

  routers and years anyway I have a friend [TS]

  this is anecdotal obviously your mileage [TS]

  may vary i can't guarantee i have a [TS]

  friend good friend technically very very [TS]

  adept who just replaced the airport [TS]

  routers in this house with Nero system [TS]

  and the first thing he noticed when he [TS]

  was doing testing was that is upstream [TS]

  bandwidth went from 8 to 24 megabits per [TS]

  second and he was under the impression [TS]

  that eight megabits per second was what [TS]

  he was capped at by comcast he had no [TS]

  idea that there was even more upstream [TS]

  bandwidth to have it tripled by [TS]

  switching to ero it could not be an [TS]

  easier less technical product to set up [TS]

  this isn't like getting like enterprise [TS]

  stuff that you've got to configure in an [TS]

  enterprise you have to sort of put on a [TS]

  network administrator hat [TS]

  to set up no you just get these little [TS]

  punks they're all the same [TS]

  there's not like you have one that's the [TS]

  home one and then you get these little [TS]

  satellite ones you get like a 3-pack you [TS]

  can make anyone [TS]

  the main one and put it in where you [TS]

  connect it to your cable modem and then [TS]

  you just take the other two and put them [TS]

  around the house for you you know [TS]

  they're all the same [TS]

  they're very very nicely designed they [TS]

  quite frankly look a lot like Apple [TS]

  products they're just very very elegant [TS]

  little pucks and I would i bought I [TS]

  bought the three set for my new [TS]

  apartment I'm sorry about the to set for [TS]

  my new apartment and I was going to say [TS]

  the same thing it just feels like the [TS]

  whole experience feels even simpler than [TS]

  setting up the airport and and it you [TS]

  just wonder like why is Apple why I mean [TS]

  I that's a whole other we've seen this [TS]

  in Connecticut we can roll the sponsors [TS]

  thing right into an editorial this [TS]

  really cut because i love we at 0 is it [TS]

  like the top of our holiday gift guide [TS]

  lists like it sounds like such a weird [TS]

  thing but like you should get someone a [TS]

  router like it sounds like Superbad and [TS]

  0 does not pay me anyone who's listening [TS]

  to this 0 absolutely does not pay me I [TS]

  never reviewed the eros my my partner [TS]

  jeff fowler did it here but I bought [TS]

  them and and i'm in love with it [TS]

  well it's a great product they recommend [TS]

  one for every thousand square feet their [TS]

  default pack is a 3-pack that's what i [TS]

  have i forget how many square feet my [TS]

  houses but it's probably a little more [TS]

  than a thousand but it's it's absolutely [TS]

  the 3-pack fills it up if you're lucky [TS]

  enough this is the right out of their [TS]

  talking points if you're lucky you have [TS]

  to learn mansion you can add additional [TS]

  eros up to 10 in total you can figure [TS]

  the thing with a really nice iOS app so [TS]

  it's right there on your iPhone and it's [TS]

  not like you gotta log into like a [TS]

  bizarre thing on a web browser that's [TS]

  running on port 80 on the euro just that [TS]

  nice little iphone app I just hook them [TS]

  up connect them once you've actually [TS]

  plug them into power you've done most of [TS]

  the work [TS]

  it's really it's it could not be if you [TS]

  have an old Wi-Fi setup in your house [TS]

  you're going to get better performance [TS]

  out of a narrow so what do you do to [TS]

  find out more you go to the wall street [TS]

  journal you currently have a journal and [TS]

  read the review just to double check [TS]

  that I'm not full of it [TS]

  I know just go to really nice thing [TS]

  about that the wife of the app by the [TS]

  way is that you can like keep speed [TS]

  testing and sometimes it's like it does [TS]

  the speed tests for you have you do it [TS]

  so I like the process with checking with [TS]

  this being tests are in my in my house [TS]

  like the last like the last speed test [TS]

  it did was yesterday and one connected [TS]

  let you know whether hey maybe we should [TS]

  jiggle some of the settings because it's [TS]

  you know you're getting worse [TS]

  performance and you were a month ago or [TS]

  something like that it's just that it [TS]

  really is quite frankly an apple-like [TS]

  experience [TS]

  oh yeah you don't have to understand it [TS]

  to know how it works just follow these [TS]

  simple instructions instructions and it [TS]

  just works and it looks nice and etc etc [TS]

  so anyway what do you do to get more to [TS]

  get these things go to ero calm and at [TS]

  checkout select overnight shipping and [TS]

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  overnight shipping with that code the [TS]

  talk show my thanks to ero really I i am [TS]

  getting paid to say this but I really do [TS]

  that I've got him set up in the house [TS]

  and it's it's it's better Wi-Fi network [TS]

  it really is and I'm not getting paid to [TS]

  say any of this [TS]

  not even not even my impression of John [TS]

  group or do I get paid you know what I [TS]

  thought I thought when that story I'd [TS]

  end of the sponsorship we're done thanks [TS]

  to your I thought when that news came [TS]

  out that is German had the report that [TS]

  Apple is getting out of the airport base [TS]

  station business whether or not I've [TS]

  heard this is sort of conflicting things [TS]

  about that the you know more or less i [TS]

  did the thing i've heard is what I often [TS]

  hear with German stories about Apple [TS]

  which is not that he's wrong about that [TS]

  anything he wrote was wrong but that he [TS]

  only has party is starting as part of [TS]

  the story with yeah that's the nightmare [TS]

  for adding journalist right and that [TS]

  when the other parts of the story come [TS]

  out it might make what he wrote more [TS]

  sense [TS]

  yeah but also maybe you know not look [TS]

  good now i don't know this is just pure [TS]

  speculation pure speculation [TS]

  this is not anything I've heard but at [TS]

  for example one way that he could only [TS]

  have part of the story right would be if [TS]

  app [TS]

  all comes out with one of these in a [TS]

  bear's alexa type yeah speaker type [TS]

  systems like Syria in a box and the [TS]

  Syrian a box also act as a Wi-Fi base [TS]

  station [TS]

  it does seem weird to me and i know i [TS]

  said we'll get back to the macbook [TS]

  keyboard but it now I like a resistible [TS]

  it really does seem weird to me because [TS]

  this this this story about Apple getting [TS]

  out of the router business [TS]

  it does seem weird to me because the [TS]

  Apple idea is if you just stick with [TS]

  apple stuff you're probably going to pay [TS]

  more you know forex like and let's say x [TS]

  is a Wi-Fi base station right that [TS]

  Apple's base stations cost more than [TS]

  just about any other most other consumer [TS]

  base stations but that that the appeal [TS]

  of it is if you stick with the apple [TS]

  stuff it'll all just work and it'll be a [TS]

  lot less hassle to set up and a lot less [TS]

  hassle to keep it going and that is in [TS]

  my experience largely true and to that [TS]

  point right [TS]

  the home if that is the next major one [TS]

  of the next major battle grounds in tech [TS]

  which it clearly seems to be with these [TS]

  talking speakers that are all about [TS]

  being home and if you look at google [TS]

  strategy there as well [TS]

  Wi-Fi and helping control that part of [TS]

  the equation seems pretty essential [TS]

  especially when you talk about smart [TS]

  home stuff right it's all on the same [TS]

  network [TS]

  yeah I'm you know there's the there's [TS]

  the privacy of the variables the [TS]

  security of the network but there's also [TS]

  the management of the network and that's [TS]

  one thing that people to have seemed to [TS]

  always loved about the airport i [TS]

  actually never had one which is just how [TS]

  simple it is to manage it is that yeah [TS]

  that's what is the reason i've i've [TS]

  always had them and I've always known [TS]

  that i'm not getting or at least for a [TS]

  couple of years now I've known that i'm [TS]

  not getting the absolute best [TS]

  performance and one reason i justified [TS]

  that is I just know that that comcast [TS]

  service we have at the house isn't that [TS]

  great anyway like yeah and we're [TS]

  thinking about moving and it's all just [TS]

  sort of been when we move this in the [TS]

  back of my mind if that when we move i'm [TS]

  going to deal with comcast bite the [TS]

  bullet [TS]

  and we have to get the best comcast [TS]

  service i possibly can and then i'll [TS]

  figure out you know get a Wi-Fi setup [TS]

  that takes advantage of it but it just [TS]

  seems weird for me to app for Apple to [TS]

  exit that because it doesn't it just [TS]

  seems like there once they start making [TS]

  it easy to say well you know i'm not [TS]

  going to buy an Apple blank then you [TS]

  started saying I'm not gonna buy an [TS]

  Apple blank for other things to write [TS]

  that being able to have like hey all of [TS]

  my stuff is apple stuff makes it easy to [TS]

  just say well I'm just gonna buy another [TS]

  apple thing because i know it's just [TS]

  gonna work right and that's definitely i [TS]

  like your theory about whatever the you [TS]

  know if they get into this talking [TS]

  speaker race which seems like they've [TS]

  got you write that that that device is [TS]

  so core to the home it I i think this [TS]

  theory of it maybe possibly doing [TS]

  something with the with a network could [TS]

  make sense yeah yeah i mean the way to [TS]

  the end and that's it that's the other [TS]

  top thing that we have on our holiday [TS]

  thing which is the which is the the echo [TS]

  and you know amazon now that you want [TS]

  another one of Germans reports is that [TS]

  they'll have some sort of tablet version [TS]

  of the of the echo in the next couple of [TS]

  whatever next couple months are early in [TS]

  the next year I'm and that makes you [TS]

  wonder you know okay [TS]

  is that because people are then jumping [TS]

  on their phones or tablets to go finish [TS]

  up a task or whatever it is and in many [TS]

  cases that's probably an iphone or [TS]

  that's probably an iPad and Apple [TS]

  already controls that other part of the [TS]

  experience in the home I'd so that's the [TS]

  if i'm remembering correctly Germans [TS]

  report that this could just came out the [TS]

  other day and it was interesting to me [TS]

  at a meta-level because i like i like [TS]

  Mark a lot and now that he's at [TS]

  Bloomberg and these you know is so young [TS]

  is just getting started [TS]

  I thought what if when he took that job [TS]

  at Bloomberg my guess was he's going to [TS]

  expand beyond apple because he just [TS]

  seemed inevitable it doesn't seem too [TS]

  justified to have just apple an apple [TS]

  rumors guy edit at a publication is wide [TS]

  wide that covers is why did you know the [TS]

  entire industry like Bloomberg and here [TS]

  you go he's got a scoop of you know just [TS]

  like the scoops he typically gets on [TS]

  Apple upcoming stuff he's got one on [TS]

  amazon product the just a bit though is [TS]

  that it he like a 7-inch display built [TS]

  into a speaker [TS]

  I don't know and and I do think it's in [TS]

  some ways it is obviously competitive [TS]

  with tablets where you could just why [TS]

  not just you know put say an ipad pro in [TS]

  your kitchen and I've prop it up and the [TS]

  ipad pro as you know beefed up its [TS]

  speakers significantly compared to the [TS]

  pre pro iPads means probably not as good [TS]

  as a standalone speaker system but one [TS]

  of the other things that government has [TS]

  report is that this new echo is going to [TS]

  have better speakers anyway because [TS]

  that's sort of the complaint people have [TS]

  about Gredenko is that the speakers [TS]

  aren't that great [TS]

  they're they're good for like a novelty [TS]

  device if you think like oh my god [TS]

  damned I'm talking to a black cylinder [TS]

  this is amazing [TS]

  the speakers are great but then if you [TS]

  start listening to like music coming out [TS]

  of it and you really just judge it as [TS]

  like speakers for playing music it's [TS]

  like a it's kinda right you know it so [TS]

  you can get a better probably speaker in [TS]

  that price range or well they dropped [TS]

  the price is significantly right i mean [TS]

  I so yeah I i love the echo I'm you know [TS]

  it i did the review of the echo and the [TS]

  home a couple of weeks ago and you know [TS]

  even preferred it to to Google's product [TS]

  and speaking of Google's also doing a [TS]

  nero competitor right they've got this [TS]

  new google Wi-Fi which I don't think has [TS]

  actually come out yet I don't think [TS]

  sorry that i haven't I think it was [TS]

  supposed to but I don't think it has [TS]

  yeah they haven't sent review units and [TS]

  they were going to and you know so it's [TS]

  all this fight of these ecosystems are [TS]

  these companies trying to control the [TS]

  ecosystems we live in especially in our [TS]

  homes now so that you have the Wi-Fi [TS]

  thing is interesting i but it makes me [TS]

  wonder you know and you know and again [TS]

  government's report wasn't that specific [TS]

  but what would be the advantage of a a [TS]

  echo which with like a physical thing [TS]

  that has to be plugged in and is not [TS]

  itself a tablet you know it [TS]

  more of whether it's still a cylinder or [TS]

  whether it's a rectangle now because it [TS]

  has a display but having a built-in [TS]

  display what would be the advantage of [TS]

  that versus a a device let's just say I [TS]

  mean if Apple made one but that also [TS]

  could serve as an ipad dock and then [TS]

  just use the iPad as the display [TS]

  yeah I mean I i would assume that [TS]

  Amazon's thinking is that people start [TS]

  something on the echo right and like I [TS]

  just talked to my experience i'll start [TS]

  something on the echo and then realize [TS]

  okay i actually need more information [TS]

  right and so that I always have my phone [TS]

  i usually have my iphone in the kitchen [TS]

  and so I end up just sort of pulling [TS]

  that out and going and doing whatever [TS]

  i'm not doing that in the alexa app and [TS]

  i'm usually not even doing that at all [TS]

  with Amazon's assistance whether it's [TS]

  you know searching for something or you [TS]

  know now the new recipe functions things [TS]

  like that i would assume this is more of [TS]

  a ploy to keep people in you know an [TS]

  amazon world but also you know try and [TS]

  move them away from using their their [TS]

  phones [TS]

  I don't know well I the other thing that [TS]

  occurs to me is and i forget if the word [TS]

  kitchen appeared in government reporter [TS]

  not did it or are people just [TS]

  speculating that this is more of a [TS]

  kitchen optimized device so i know i've [TS]

  seen people saying that the echo is [TS]

  meant to go anywhere and some people [TS]

  have in their bedroom and some people in [TS]

  their living room and lots of people [TS]

  including me have one in the kitchen but [TS]

  this this new device with the display is [TS]

  sort of specifically meant for the [TS]

  kitchen and I can think of a couple of [TS]

  reasons why you definitely want to [TS]

  display one of them would be recipes [TS]

  right if you're doing something you know [TS]

  if you're cooking in the kitchen I not [TS]

  having a display is almost worthless [TS]

  right it's like who you know it [TS]

  nobody's going to do a recipe by audio [TS]

  right because you did he'd have to keep [TS]

  repeating all right how much of this how [TS]

  much that the new there's a new [TS]

  allrecipes at for the echo and it does [TS]

  read out some of the the instructions [TS]

  well I just think though that no but as [TS]

  a thing to depend on I totally great [TS]

  again that that's usually what i end up [TS]

  you know pulling up my phone for which [TS]

  is you know some recipe or something [TS]

  like that [TS]

  well and the other thing that's very [TS]

  obvious and a lot of people for a long [TS]

  time have had TVs in their kitchen you [TS]

  know like many tvs I couldn't [TS]

  when I was here they invented little [TS]

  like eight inch tvs that some people put [TS]

  their TVs and I thought that was amazing [TS]

  and I wanted my parents to get one and [TS]

  they were like no yeah but it's obvious [TS]

  you know and for as much as there's tons [TS]

  of audio stuff that you can listen to it [TS]

  you know like podcasts [TS]

  there's also a lot of people like video [TS]

  and a lot of people like to watch video [TS]

  and guess what amazon has a giant video [TS]

  service that was very you know it to me [TS]

  it's very obvious why they might want to [TS]

  have a display on the thing in the [TS]

  kitchen because it'd be like you just [TS]

  tell tell it you know to play something [TS]

  from amazon prime video and there you [TS]

  are watching it [TS]

  yeah and I mean like a part of what [TS]

  amazon also wants you to do is buy more [TS]

  things on amazon and it's very simple [TS]

  now but there are a lot of times where [TS]

  I'm like oh you know and uh I'll say [TS]

  alexa you add paper towels to my car or [TS]

  whatever and it usually tries to [TS]

  remember you will pick what I've ordered [TS]

  before but like having a visual [TS]

  indication of what that is or what I've [TS]

  just ordered or added is is helpful like [TS]

  I never really complete the order on the [TS]

  echo I always end up going to my you [TS]

  know my card on my laptop or on my on my [TS]

  phone because you have more confident if [TS]

  you see it yeah yeah I'm like oh yeah [TS]

  that's the one you know I'm having so [TS]

  it's just it you have to wonder what [TS]

  would have happened if Amazon it [TS]

  actually had a successful phone years [TS]

  back if if they really i mean i-i think [TS]

  honestly idea it's hard to see that the [TS]

  echo would have come through in the way [TS]

  it has if they had had a successful [TS]

  phone [TS]

  it almost feels like that them not [TS]

  having control of the phone and not [TS]

  having a strong presence in people's [TS]

  mobile lives allowed them to create [TS]

  something that was outside of the phone [TS]

  right i think so i definitely think it [TS]

  helped them because it's it was sort of [TS]

  writing the failure of the fire phone [TS]

  was sort of freeing for them and I think [TS]

  the timing of the stuff that they've [TS]

  done since it's sort of you know it's [TS]

  sort of adds up that from the point [TS]

  where they gave up on the fire [TS]

  they've fire phone at least they have [TS]

  you know you know it's [TS]

  some measure or not I mean with as with [TS]

  all amazon products who the hell knows [TS]

  how many they've actually sold because [TS]

  they won't they won't tell you but it [TS]

  certainly seems with the echo that they [TS]

  have some measure of a hit on their [TS]

  hands [TS]

  yeah I definitely think that I think [TS]

  this holiday that guy even though the [TS]

  echoes now to almost two years old it'll [TS]

  be two years old in January which is why [TS]

  I think this new rumor makes a lot of [TS]

  sense i think you know it's probably [TS]

  primed for early next year i think this [TS]

  is the first time that I confidently I'm [TS]

  yeah it really is the first time I've [TS]

  confidently recommend it to most people [TS]

  you know i'm i'm buying one for my [TS]

  parents they just made it they just [TS]

  built a new house and I just think it's [TS]

  perfect for the kitchen that they they [TS]

  made you know people for for holiday [TS]

  I've just said you this is now like now [TS]

  is the time to get one of these that [TS]

  there's there's a just that the response [TS]

  time is better the her answers Alexis [TS]

  answers are mostly on on point and [TS]

  compared to especially compared to [TS]

  people's experiences with Siri you know [TS]

  you really do get this feeling like [TS]

  people are are sort of like they gave [TS]

  Syria chance and then they say stop [TS]

  giving Syria chance i think that and [TS]

  I've said for for a number of months and [TS]

  almost years now that's apples biggest [TS]

  hurdle with Siri is getting the people [TS]

  even even as Syria improves it's hard to [TS]

  get people to go back and try and use [TS]

  Siri for things [TS]

  yeah but with alexa right out-of-the-box [TS]

  your you have this really strong [TS]

  experience you know the response times [TS]

  the answers are right there's not a lot [TS]

  of I'm sorry have to search the web for [TS]

  that so i think it's going to get more [TS]

  and more people comfortable talking to [TS]

  two gadgets [TS]

  yeah yeah i totally agree and I've said [TS]

  that to that the single biggest problem [TS]

  apple has with serious getting people [TS]

  who felt burned by it to try it again [TS]

  that the first impressions mean so much [TS]

  and the first impression that people [TS]

  have with Siri it was so bad for so many [TS]

  people that and it was for a while that [TS]

  they don't they've just given up on i [TS]

  think the same thing was true going back [TS]

  you know very long time and it doesn't [TS]

  matter because it was such a niche [TS]

  product but the Newton's handwriting was [TS]

  the same way at the end of the Newton's [TS]

  lifespan the handwriting recognition was [TS]

  excellent it really was and [TS]

  but we were almost nobody remembers that [TS]

  everybody remembers that part of the [TS]

  reason why the Newton failed was that [TS]

  the handwriting recognition was so bad [TS]

  because it was bad when they first [TS]

  shipped it and everybody was like this [TS]

  is amazing a little thing that little [TS]

  computer I can you know almost putting a [TS]

  pocket and i can write on it and you [TS]

  know i got everything wrong at the end [TS]

  of the lifespan [TS]

  it was amazing but it was too late [TS]

  everybody had filed Newton's handwriting [TS]

  recognition under terrible it's really [TS]

  it's really interesting it's something [TS]

  I've been thinking about lately which is [TS]

  that it were an early adopters are in [TS]

  many of your listeners are early [TS]

  adopters and so everyone tries all the [TS]

  stuff that's brand-new and in the case [TS]

  of what's been going on with with [TS]

  technology over the last couple of years [TS]

  it's like people companies and apple [TS]

  more so than ever I think before release [TS]

  is something that might not quite be [TS]

  done and gets better over time [TS]

  right especially now in terms of [TS]

  software because softwares so much of [TS]

  the experience like the Apple watch is [TS]

  the best example I think certainly the [TS]

  new version is faster because there's a [TS]

  better processor and it's waterproof and [TS]

  there's all these fancy things but you [TS]

  know there's really an argument we made [TS]

  it was better if you waited a year right [TS]

  it was really better if you waited or [TS]

  even if you waited and bought the old [TS]

  144 cheaper price because the software [TS]

  got so much better it's the same thing [TS]

  with the echo and it's really the same [TS]

  thing with serial number of these things [TS]

  but it there's this fear it there's this [TS]

  problem with people are early adopters [TS]

  and get a bad get that really bad taste [TS]

  in their mouth and then they just say [TS]

  this thing socks and then they put it [TS]

  away and they don't know sort of keep at [TS]

  it right so it's like almost it's like [TS]

  it's a good time to be an early adopter [TS]

  but it's also a really terrible time to [TS]

  be an early adopter a lot of thoughts [TS]

  let's talk about the new macbook pro [TS]

  keyboard the poor new macbook pro [TS]

  keyboard but first it's a good time to [TS]

  take a break i'll take a break and and [TS]

  do our next talk about an exposure and [TS]

  then we'll talk about the the keyboard i [TS]

  will try not to interrupt you [TS]

  it's alright that was the best [TS]

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  the Thanksgiving break i reread reread [TS]

  last year's becoming Steve Jobs the [TS]

  evolution of a reckless upstart into a [TS]

  visionary leader by Brent slender and [TS]

  Rick Petrocelli this is sort of the [TS]

  unauthorized biography of Steve Jobs [TS]

  that came out last year that i found way [TS]

  more satisfying and way more interesting [TS]

  and way more insightful than his [TS]

  official biography by walter whatever [TS]

  his name was because it focuses on [TS]

  his work and I know that this book sort [TS]

  of there is sort of a skepticism when it [TS]

  came out and people I role because it it [TS]

  this book had the participation of [TS]

  people like tim cook and a few others at [TS]

  apple and the people wanted to present [TS]

  it as well this is a white washing of of [TS]

  Steve Jobs his life or something like [TS]

  that and if you read i don't think [TS]

  anybody who actually reads this book [TS]

  would actually say that the book it just [TS]

  happens not to it happens to be a lot [TS]

  less about his personal life and a lot [TS]

  more about his professional life early [TS]

  years at Apple his years in the [TS]

  wilderness when he was at next and when [TS]

  he founded Pixar and then how pixar [TS]

  became a great success and how Apple [TS]

  became you know at least some degree [TS]

  that you know I think Apple did a little [TS]

  bit better after steve jobs came back in [TS]

  97 it's a great great book I've read it [TS]

  this is the second time i read it and i [TS]

  couldn't recommend more they have it [TS]

  they have the unabridged version right [TS]

  there on audible.com so you can use it [TS]

  to listen to 16 hours 21 minutes pretty [TS]

  much like a long episode of of the talk [TS]

  show [TS]

  so there you go audible.com / talk show [TS]

  if you want my recommendation give [TS]

  becoming Steve Jobs listen all right [TS]

  macbook pro keyboard the new keyboard [TS]

  here that I i I've mentioned this so I [TS]

  while I was doing my review I at one [TS]

  point thought you know what this [TS]

  keyboard is different than what i [TS]

  expected it doesn't feel like the 12 [TS]

  inch macbook keyboard even though it [TS]

  looks like the same and it seems to have [TS]

  the same key travel it didn't feel the [TS]

  same to me at all and then you know [TS]

  Apple set on stage that they did [TS]

  something different with these [TS]

  quote-unquote butterflied switches [TS]

  underneath the keys and I believe it [TS]

  absolutely it it's less squishy and more [TS]

  clicky i would agree and it's like more [TS]

  of a bounce right yeah it's it just [TS]

  feels better it definitely feels better [TS]

  to me okay but at one point during the [TS]

  review I thought boy I'd like the way [TS]

  this feels better than I feared [TS]

  but is this loud this seems loud and i [TS]

  called it my wife and son in that [TS]

  point and I said listen to this do you [TS]

  think this is too loud is this louder [TS]

  than than the old ones and they were [TS]

  they both convinced me that I was kind [TS]

  of crazy they're like it definitely [TS]

  sounds different but it's not loud and I [TS]

  was like I'll just forget it and I [TS]

  didn't write about it but then when the [TS]

  reviews all hit a couple of people [TS]

  mentioned including you that the you [TS]

  have the keyboard is lat louder and I [TS]

  thought damn I should have written about [TS]

  that because I think I i was on the [TS]

  shopping so I have a theory that but [TS]

  it's hard because I haven't gone back to [TS]

  the macbook but i think you're right i [TS]

  think they fixed a lot with the keyboard [TS]

  i still don't love it i don't really [TS]

  like it really to be honest but I'm that [TS]

  I i think i need to move out i need to [TS]

  move into the future and an accepting [TS]

  this keyboard is changing but i think [TS]

  because there's this because the keys [TS]

  are flat and when you're moving from it [TS]

  a you know a keyboard that had these [TS]

  more raised keys with that had more [TS]

  travel you might be hitting the keys [TS]

  harder and i know i think i hit the keys [TS]

  harder especially when I'm like in it [TS]

  and I'm really writing and I'm like this [TS]

  is it you know I've got a great thought [TS]

  and this you know I figured out how to [TS]

  do this i feel like i'm sort of slamming [TS]

  on the keys a little bit more [TS]

  I'm and so that might be why it's louder [TS]

  that it's it's it's part of my dear I [TS]

  mean I definitely think they it [TS]

  certainly is a different sound than the [TS]

  the regular macbook and if you actually [TS]

  live the funny thing isn't in my video [TS]

  review i did a first-person video as I [TS]

  do sometimes with the helmet camera and [TS]

  whatever the whole the video kind of [TS]

  stick was that i knew i was typing on my [TS]

  laptop is sort of like a you know a [TS]

  diary as I was going through my review [TS]

  process and so we recorded the two [TS]

  different sounds the beginning opens [TS]

  when I'm work i'm typing on my macbook [TS]

  and you hear the sounds of the macbook [TS]

  air [TS]

  sorry was that meant I my macbook air [TS]

  and you hear that keyboard sounds of the [TS]

  macbook air and then we recorded the [TS]

  sounds of the macbook pro because then i [TS]

  switched to typing on the macbook pro [TS]

  for the rest of the of the piece so you [TS]

  hear you here like we are recorded in [TS]

  our booth here i do you definitely hear [TS]

  the different sounds [TS]

  the question I have is is it louder [TS]

  because I'm hitting the keys with more [TS]

  force or is it just genuinely louder I [TS]

  can't really think of a scientific tests [TS]

  to figure out what I can think of a [TS]

  scientific test but I I have [TS]

  done it i think it is ladder and i think [TS]

  but i think i think it's a little bit of [TS]

  column a little bit of column be i think [TS]

  it is louder I do think though that I i [TS]

  think i just tend to have a very hard [TS]

  typing style and so is right you know [TS]

  and i think with other people you know [TS]

  have very different you know maybe have [TS]

  a gentler typing style and I think if [TS]

  you were in like a library and you're [TS]

  self-conscious about the noise of your [TS]

  typing if you were thinking about typing [TS]

  softly I don't think that the macbook is [TS]

  going to be a problem i think though [TS]

  that if you you know have headphones on [TS]

  and weren't really paying attention to [TS]

  your typing it could be a problem [TS]

  yeah yeah i mean i don't i feel like i [TS]

  just some typing a lot harder on this [TS]

  computer but maybe I've always typed [TS]

  really hard [TS]

  yeah what's your opinion of the keyboard [TS]

  over all the noise aside like you get [TS]

  used to it right like i said in this [TS]

  piece and I know a lot of people thought [TS]

  it was a super harsh line i was like you [TS]

  get used to it [TS]

  you also get used to sleeping on a rock [TS]

  when you're camping great like I you [TS]

  know I didn't mean that to be super [TS]

  snarky I guess it came out that way but [TS]

  like you get used to it you know it's [TS]

  like anything that might not be [TS]

  comfortable at first that you just sort [TS]

  of get used to it and then you kind of [TS]

  learn to like it I like I was that's [TS]

  what the other thing I went back to my [TS]

  macbook air this weekend I'm just like I [TS]

  I missed you you know I i really missed [TS]

  you but I've but I've written something [TS]

  like I have this also like superstition [TS]

  sometimes where I like work on a laptop [TS]

  and I like if I've done some of my best [TS]

  work on that laptop of like this is a [TS]

  great laptop you know I think they did [TS]

  the laptop made the work great and I i [TS]

  think i've done some really good work on [TS]

  this macbook pro so I really can't say [TS]

  that a that i don't like you know using [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah I i'd i would I I don't have a I I [TS]

  don't say that i think it's fine and I [TS]

  really am and I say that meaning that i [TS]

  think all laptop keyboards are [TS]

  compromised you know that none of them [TS]

  I've never had a macbook or powerbook or [TS]

  any apple laptop ever that has had a [TS]

  keyboard that I find as nice as a [TS]

  desktop keyboard and on the desktop on [TS]

  the yeah the guy who famously still uses [TS]

  20 something-year-old Apple extended [TS]

  keyboard to that's super cliquey and [TS]

  loud [TS]

  right on although not as loud as a lot [TS]

  of these mechanical keyboards by [TS]

  mechanical keyboard standard it's kind [TS]

  of quiet but it is very quickly clicking [TS]

  loud compared to modern lower travel [TS]

  keyboards and I will also add some some [TS]

  wiseacre on on Twitter after I made fun [TS]

  of you and Walter stockpiling at their [TS]

  phone MacBook Airs head this from the [TS]

  guy who has a closet full of all the [TS]

  aplex ended keyboards which is true i've [TS]

  i've got at least like four of them in [TS]

  my closet but my defense on that is that [TS]

  this keyboard they don't make keyboards [TS]

  like this anymore as a keyboard its if [TS]

  you do prefer it there it's you know [TS]

  there is a reason to stop bottom right [TS]

  right at that's the thing I i really do [TS]

  prefer the macbook air mat or the old [TS]

  macbook air macbook pro keyboard [TS]

  yeah I think I preferred the only [TS]

  because I'm used to it i think if i [TS]

  spend enough time on the new 1i would go [TS]

  back to the I go back to this one and I [TS]

  beyond did just be too unfamiliar with [TS]

  it [TS]

  right right yeah it's like anything you [TS]

  get used to it you know idea there's [TS]

  another thing about the new keyboard [TS]

  that I think it and again i think i [TS]

  would completely get used to it but I am [TS]

  I haven't yet which is that the actual [TS]

  keys are bigger the keyboard isn't [TS]

  bigger but they've reduced the space [TS]

  between the keys and made the keys [TS]

  bigger and for some reason it makes me [TS]

  feel like my fingers are spread out more [TS]

  even though it makes no sense because [TS]

  the center of each key is exactly the [TS]

  same distance from each other as on the [TS]

  old keyboard but for some reason that [TS]

  that subtle difference makes me feel [TS]

  like I have to spread my fingers out [TS]

  more and it's not true but I it somehow [TS]

  makes it feel that way [TS]

  yeah I really think I've just typing on [TS]

  it right now I really think I'm hitting [TS]

  the keys harder because and maybe over [TS]

  time I wouldn't hit the keys as hard if [TS]

  I having i found it if I hadn't if I [TS]

  don't keep going back to the old [TS]

  keyboard i might get more used to just [TS]

  the regular feel of this and i won't [TS]

  strike the keys as hard [TS]

  and I i think it has something to do [TS]

  with the fact that i keep switching [TS]

  between them [TS]

  alright the other thing that bothers me [TS]

  lastly on the keyboard at the new arrow [TS]

  key arrangement and I I'd I don't know [TS]

  why but it's like that instead of being [TS]

  a t-shape now they've made yeah the left [TS]

  and right ones full height and I for [TS]

  some reason in the two or three weeks [TS]

  that i was using the new macbook product [TS]

  could never get used to that it just [TS]

  took the entire to three-week period [TS]

  never got used to it isn't that the same [TS]

  on the macbook to yes it started yet [TS]

  debuted with the new macbook but i never [TS]

  used the new macbook so it's you know I [TS]

  mean I other than like just kicking the [TS]

  tires in the store and the hands-on area [TS]

  i never liked reviewed yeah I really [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah I think I kind of got you so i used [TS]

  a macbook for like four four months [TS]

  about I used most of the summer [TS]

  switching that [TS]

  switching that [TS]

  to my air for sort of heavier work and [TS]

  stuff like that and what about the [TS]

  trackpad you do care that it's ginormous [TS]

  I love it and I don't have any palm I [TS]

  didn't have any palm rejection problems [TS]

  whatsoever i saw a couple of people on [TS]

  Twitter when they first started getting [TS]

  their they're 15-inch macbook pros [TS]

  saying I you know this is unusual for me [TS]

  might my palms keep getting registered [TS]

  as you know wonder if they were to get a [TS]

  desk [TS]

  I don't know i'll add hardware I don't [TS]

  know if they're their skin registers [TS]

  differently capacity of weird skin or if [TS]

  they you know they got a bum device [TS]

  I don't know but it didn't I i kept my [TS]

  eye on it and it didn't seem it doesn't [TS]

  seem to be like a rampant problem it was [TS]

  like a couple of people the first few [TS]

  days but i retested the 15-inch you know [TS]

  it was really thought about it and and [TS]

  you know my palms absolutely rest on the [TS]

  trackpad while i'm typing and it was [TS]

  never a problem I yeah I think I think [TS]

  it's a big thing about what the angle [TS]

  what angle you're using the laptop at so [TS]

  I don't have really any problem when im [TS]

  using it at my desk but there have been [TS]

  some times where i have it on my lap and [TS]

  I do have the problem or the or the keys [TS]

  are or the the laptops raised up a [TS]

  little bit more so my does the bottom of [TS]

  my palm will strike the trackpad is I'm [TS]

  trying to type like something lower on [TS]

  the keyboard [TS]

  i I don't I find it to be delightful and [TS]

  it's you know my personal the macbook [TS]

  that i own is a 13-inch macbook pro that [TS]

  I guess is exactly two years old and I [TS]

  think it was the last macbook pro that [TS]

  didn't have the magic trackpad and you [TS]

  know it's still it physically clicks and [TS]

  I much prefer the new trackpad to the [TS]

  one to the one that physically clicks [TS]

  and especially because it it doesn't [TS]

  work as a lever so when you click on the [TS]

  top it clicks just as nicely as it does [TS]

  when you click at the bottom [TS]

  yeah i totally agree and that's one [TS]

  thing i hate about going back to the [TS]

  macbook air is that it doesn't have the [TS]

  four stature whatever's going on [TS]

  whatever they call it [TS]

  it's my view it's it's it seems silly [TS]

  but at this point like I'm not really [TS]

  performance [TS]

  constraint nothing I really do on [TS]

  especially on a macbook really strange [TS]

  the cpu that much and in one of the [TS]

  little things I thought about was a what [TS]

  I've always done when I buy macbook I [TS]

  don't buy them that often you know I try [TS]

  to just get it set up exactly as I want [TS]

  and then use it until I can't stand it [TS]

  anymore and then get a new one and when [TS]

  I buy a new one I've always just maxed [TS]

  it out just go into the thing and [TS]

  upgrade from you know the core i5 to the [TS]

  core i7 you know the top-of-the-line [TS]

  whatever get the most Ram get the [TS]

  biggest SSD etc i realized i think that [TS]

  if I were buying a new matter or when [TS]

  when next I do buy a new macbook pro I'm [TS]

  not going to upgrade the cpu i'm going [TS]

  to probably stick with the default [TS]

  because the cpu is in constraining me at [TS]

  all and I'd rather have the longer [TS]

  battery life of the lower power cpu that [TS]

  I've got it [TS]

  I think I made a mistake two years ago [TS]

  when I bought the highest speed cpu [TS]

  because i don't i'm not i don't need it [TS]

  I never pegged this almost never mind [TS]

  the CPUs and but I'm getting no I'm [TS]

  getting worse battery life because I [TS]

  made that decision and and you know what [TS]

  that was [TS]

  I spent hours benchmarking the old pro [TS]

  that old 13 inch pro and the new 13-inch [TS]

  pro and performance wise even though [TS]

  there's a leap in a generation [TS]

  yeah there's one generation Intel that [TS]

  it leaps that happens you really cannot [TS]

  tell the difference in the performance [TS]

  that the Intel performance has basically [TS]

  slowed to a point where you're not going [TS]

  to notice much unless you're really not [TS]

  going to notice much unless i mean ii [TS]

  unless you're doing things that are more [TS]

  relying on storage and the SSD and the [TS]

  SSD speed was faster but not much faster [TS]

  for everyday type things so yeah like [TS]

  that you have tennis you know people [TS]

  said all well should I get the new one [TS]

  because it's faster i don't i don't [TS]

  think the reason to get the new one is [TS]

  because of perfectly well it's not [TS]

  because of / 4 processor performance is [TS]

  faster its graphics performance or SSD [TS]

  performance and for the everyday person [TS]

  that's not a ton that they're going to [TS]

  see ya [TS]

  I i was surprised and it and I don't [TS]

  know how much of this is just that the [TS]

  constraints that Apple was under because [TS]

  obviously the touch bar ones weren't [TS]

  ready on day one [TS]

  and because nobody gotta touch bar [TS]

  review unit until like a week or so [TS]

  after the event like leaving the event [TS]

  everybody got a review unit got the [TS]

  macbook escape and I you know I think [TS]

  that they were you know I think it was [TS]

  simply because they didn't have them to [TS]

  give out yeah totally [TS]

  and when I did get the 13-inch the one [TS]

  that i got and I'm guessing they [TS]

  probably gave everybody the same one was [TS]

  the core i5 model not the core i7 I [TS]

  don't know this for sure but in my [TS]

  memory every other time I've ever gotten [TS]

  reviews from Apple they just give you [TS]

  the top-of-the-line model i was happy [TS]

  they didn't actually yeah me too because [TS]

  it's a typical more typical [TS]

  configuration but I honestly wonder in [TS]

  that in this case whether it wasn't just [TS]

  can split constraints but maybe like [TS]

  that they've really think that this is [TS]

  the better model because the battery [TS]

  life is so much better [TS]

  that's it one of the century one of the [TS]

  things that I found that is so much [TS]

  better [TS]

  I'm not going to buy one right now I'm [TS]

  like my two-year-old macbook pro is [TS]

  still it's it's too good and it's [TS]

  there's too many reasons i think to wait [TS]

  another year on you know on upgrading so [TS]

  I'm personally not upgrading to one of [TS]

  these models it's just not maybe I [TS]

  should just buy your old one [TS]

  maybe you got your keyboard but they get [TS]

  you have me figured out I think I [TS]

  finally figured it out if they're why [TS]

  old old macbook if there was a reason to [TS]

  get it it would be the battery life it [TS]

  just so happens that when i'm using my [TS]

  macbook pro I very seldom and untethered [TS]

  for that long but if I were that would [TS]

  be the number one reason to upgrade [TS]

  because the battery life on the new [TS]

  macbook pro is unlike any other macbook [TS]

  pro I've ever used a it's just [TS]

  unbelievable I mean I go in my review I [TS]

  mentioned keeping it open on my lap [TS]

  during Game seven of the World Series [TS]

  which was I don't like four and a half [TS]

  hours incredibly long baseball game and [TS]

  even had like a rain delay and when i [TS]

  got i was done i still had seventy [TS]

  percent battery life left it was [TS]

  I've never seen anything like that and [TS]

  this is the one with the touch bar [TS]

  yeah 13 inch with a touch bar but the [TS]

  core i5 not the core i7 and you know i [TS]

  was on Twitter and Safari you know the [TS]

  whole game with varying results and I [TS]

  think it could be some of the apps and [TS]

  apple said that [TS]

  you know some of the apps that i I've [TS]

  user obviously more processor-intensive [TS]

  i'm talking like TweetDeck really like [TS]

  TweetDeck or I'll use them i mean [TS]

  obviously chrome as a as a really huge [TS]

  battery sucker but like you know i just [TS]

  noticed whether it's sweet talkers or [TS]

  Spotify both of those can have some [TS]

  various varying results but yeah pretty [TS]

  much [TS]

  you know in line with with what they've [TS]

  said was with was my results but I'm [TS]

  I've gotten you get longer battery life [TS]

  with the now that we're going to but go [TS]

  back and start talking about that [TS]

  13-inch without touch bar gonna get [TS]

  longer battery life with that one [TS]

  yeah but not much you know couple 20 [TS]

  minutes but if it's like your defining [TS]

  characteristic of what you need from a [TS]

  macbook it's that's the one to get right [TS]

  yeah you want to talk about dongles [TS]

  that's what I'm talking about dongles [TS]

  you know I i think the dongle thing is [TS]

  so overblown I it is obviously a problem [TS]

  if you get it now [TS]

  I mean I would need a bunch there's no [TS]

  doubt about it if my main computer was a [TS]

  brand new macbook pro with the touch bar [TS]

  I would be using a couple of dongles [TS]

  right now I would you know if it were my [TS]

  main computer i would I am at my desk so [TS]

  I would be like you I'd need one to hook [TS]

  up a display and i'd i would need a [TS]

  dongle to do it unless I've already [TS]

  bought that that LG 5k display which I [TS]

  probably would do if it was my only [TS]

  computer depending on when last yeah [TS]

  that's plenty and i would need one to [TS]

  hook up this microphone because this [TS]

  microphone is it connects to that my [TS]

  computer by USB a so i would need some [TS]

  kind of dongle to connect that to the [TS]

  USBC port and i would also need one to [TS]

  connect my external hard drives because [TS]

  none of my external hard drives are USBC [TS]

  they're all I think thunderbolt and I [TS]

  that also i have i forget i think i [TS]

  might even have one here that's old [TS]

  firewire one that I have a firewire to [TS]

  Thunderbolt so I have to go now i would [TS]

  have to i would i might have to because [TS]

  i don't think there's a firewire yeah bc [TS]

  i have to go firewire to Thunderbolt [TS]

  Thunderbolt USBC yeah I have a right at [TS]

  well that's not what I'm doing with this [TS]

  one I've got the [TS]

  displayport to Thunderbolt for my [TS]

  thunderbolt monitor did you see there [TS]

  was a story somebody had think i like to [TS]

  an underlying fireball but somebody on [TS]

  medium had a post where they called the [TS]

  new macbook pro surprising a great [TS]

  machine for hackers and that it yeah [TS]

  arguably the most open computer apples [TS]

  ever made and it you know just as a you [TS]

  know to synopsize that argument the new [TS]

  macbook pros don't have a single [TS]

  proprietary port on right they've got [TS]

  four open standard USB / Thunderbolt [TS]

  three ports and one standard headphone [TS]

  jack and that's it [TS]

  SFI it is there ever been an apple [TS]

  computer and a Macintosh without a [TS]

  single proprietary port I don't think so [TS]

  and I've said this many times [TS]

  USBC is the greatest port it's a great [TS]

  port i think the i think that the the [TS]

  backlash has been i think it's been to [TS]

  some of the obviously them cutting out [TS]

  the other ports but i also think that [TS]

  there's this major backlash to apple not [TS]

  having this sort of unified port [TS]

  structure and I mean why not you put us [TS]

  bc on the iphone right that was like one [TS]

  of the biggest complaints when when they [TS]

  announced the macbook was like okay so [TS]

  now i can't plug my iphone into into the [TS]

  and it can play your iphone into your [TS]

  macbook right in a different adapter but [TS]

  you also can plug your iphone into the [TS]

  same adapter that goes into the wall [TS]

  because that's USBC right and I don't [TS]

  have to find that article but it's a it [TS]

  but part of his argument is as you know [TS]

  sort of a nerdy android is already [TS]

  yeah he said he's got like a nexus 6p s [TS]

  his phone because he uses a nexus he [TS]

  just needs to take one chart he just [TS]

  takes his macbook pro charger with them [TS]

  and then he can plug as you can plug [TS]

  this phone into it as well which is you [TS]

  know convenient right but that and [TS]

  that's a great argument for why is an [TS]

  apple using USBC on iphones even for the [TS]

  connector that goes into the wall now of [TS]

  course they hadn't had the new macbook [TS]

  pros out yet [TS]

  and of course there's a far bigger [TS]

  market for people who are buying iphones [TS]

  and it's probably going to piss off [TS]

  we're going to hear all the complaints [TS]

  when they do switch to us bc there oh [TS]

  now I can't use my old cord to plug into [TS]

  my you know that [TS]

  you little wall adapter that comes in [TS]

  the box with the iphone we're going to [TS]

  hear all that all over again but you [TS]

  know it's a tough time is it goes back [TS]

  to my name is a tough time to be an [TS]

  early adopter there's a lot of [TS]

  transition that's going on I don't think [TS]

  they're ever going to switch to us bc on [TS]

  the iphone or ipad and I don't think [TS]

  they're going to switch from the USBC on [TS]

  the input right female input on the [TS]

  iphone or on the iPad because they love [TS]

  lightning and now they've made a big [TS]

  to-do about lightning as a audio [TS]

  interface but i do think they will [TS]

  switch to us bc on the adapter that goes [TS]

  into the wall [TS]

  yeah i yeah that's what I think they'll [TS]

  do I think and I again in my review I [TS]

  call them out as a nickel-and-dime move [TS]

  I i think what they should have done is [TS]

  done exactly what google did with the [TS]

  pixel phone isn't ship both cables in in [TS]

  the box when you buy the new pixel you [TS]

  get a USBC to us bc cable that's right [TS]

  and you get a USB a to us bc cable [TS]

  that's right or just put I mean are we [TS]

  talking about which box so they put that [TS]

  in them they should put that you put [TS]

  them in the iphone i think and and if [TS]

  they you know I don't think it would [TS]

  have killed killed him that maybe put [TS]

  that cable in the two-thousand-dollar [TS]

  macbook pro bar either but i think [TS]

  everyone should come with the iphone 7 I [TS]

  think the iphone 7 should should have [TS]

  shipped with both cables and I have [TS]

  adamantly said that they should have [TS]

  included the u.s. bc2 usba adapter [TS]

  that's $19 but now nine dollars the same [TS]

  price as the adapter that you get in [TS]

  from the lightning cable to the [TS]

  headphone jack in yes the iphone box [TS]

  include that in the macbook pro box [TS]

  yeah and then everyone will be pretty [TS]

  much okay yeah I it's a nickel-and-dime [TS]

  of I really think they should have [TS]

  included one of those in the box and I [TS]

  know that the you know I've made this [TS]

  argument before that shipping the [TS]

  dongles with the device is sort of an [TS]

  apple-like but you know what they did it [TS]

  with the headphone jack right with the [TS]

  iphone 7 and ultimately i think that was [TS]

  the right thing to do I really do it [TS]

  built up a lot of goodwill [TS]

  yeah they will they should not okay it's [TS]

  here I got this year I have this article [TS]

  it will be in the show notes it's adam [TS]

  Liedtke the new macbook pro is kind of [TS]

  great for hackers yeah so i will include [TS]

  that in the i said i don't know [TS]

  I mean you know I and i actually ended [TS]

  up writing this dongle piece before the [TS]

  macbook pros came out because I just [TS]

  felt I had this inkling that this was [TS]

  going to be a big deal [TS]

  even before they announce them and I you [TS]

  know people were already at talking [TS]

  about all the dongle situation around [TS]

  the iphone so i did this piece about [TS]

  this is the year of the dongle and you [TS]

  know actually you know these newports [TS]

  are great so let's not complain about [TS]

  the ports but we can't complain about [TS]

  the dongles that kind of stuff and you [TS]

  know I recommended a couple of good [TS]

  options there are some really good [TS]

  options you know they're there it's a [TS]

  it's a booming dongle market out there [TS]

  so it's a great time to be in the dongle [TS]

  business the problem is frankly on us [TS]

  that you were you forget them at places [TS]

  and they are annoying right there just [TS]

  like are annoying [TS]

  well are even if you from even if you [TS]

  don't forget them or lose them [TS]

  it's did you take the right bag right [TS]

  all right you know did you know where do [TS]

  you keep them so that they're always [TS]

  there you know and you buy two sets so [TS]

  you have one in your office and went [TS]

  home [TS]

  I'm you know and I'm an apple makes [TS]

  money off of these there's no doubt [TS]

  apple makes money off of these I think [TS]

  that secondary to the in all of their [TS]

  thinking but it's you know it's [TS]

  certainly the fact that they could cut [TS]

  the prices as much as they did is true [TS]

  right but I mean by the way and that [TS]

  article that i wrote you light it you're [TS]

  better off buying apple dongles right [TS]

  because USBC has had some issues with [TS]

  the open development of these of these [TS]

  you know but it depends on which ones [TS]

  are buying but of of some of the [TS]

  adapters where some have fried ports you [TS]

  know and you know amazon has a number of [TS]

  them listed there even though app [TS]

  amazon says they will only carry USB is [TS]

  certified USBC dongles and and adapters [TS]

  there are many that get through so [TS]

  you're who you really are best buying [TS]

  something that either apple sells in [TS]

  their stores or that Apple make [TS]

  themselves i get this is an interesting [TS]

  tangent and I'm not afraid to go down [TS]

  but I did it come up recently where [TS]

  amazon has been found to be selling [TS]

  fraudulent stuff you know like Apple had [TS]

  a thing where they you know found that [TS]

  there is a whole bunch of you know [TS]

  supposedly first-party Apple chargers [TS]

  being sold on amazon our third party [TS]

  ones and that they're completely [TS]

  inferior and you know Dave downright [TS]

  dangerous in some cases in terms of just [TS]

  how shoddily made they are i don't trust [TS]

  amazon for stuff like that anymore i [TS]

  really don't [TS]

  yeah i mean like it was funny when I was [TS]

  doing the reporting for the story you [TS]

  know I think the only cables i would buy [TS]

  from amazon honestly are the amazon [TS]

  basics right amazon branded ones because [TS]

  you know that those aren't fake and [TS]

  that's a really experienced with them so [TS]

  when I was doing this dongle reporting [TS]

  because i'm a dongle journalists at this [TS]

  point I so so I spoke to the USB I f [TS]

  which is the the governing body that [TS]

  controls the standards around USB USB CD [TS]

  and USB in general and so they you know [TS]

  ran me through how something get [TS]

  certified right and that they have to [TS]

  meet their specs and blah blah blah and [TS]

  they said okay amazon says that they [TS]

  will only carry things that I've met [TS]

  that have been started there's did not [TS]

  certified because some things haven't [TS]

  been certified but meet the requirements [TS]

  of the USB I f.m so the companies don't [TS]

  have to have a USB iaf approval which [TS]

  cost some money they just have to have [TS]

  said we'd meet these we meet these it's [TS]

  basically just give a they just give [TS]

  their work on it to be honest and so [TS]

  when I i started doing some research and [TS]

  I was like I found one product on Amazon [TS]

  I looked very sort of it looks shady [TS]

  frankly and so I emailed amazon PR and [TS]

  they said yeah we don't we [TS]

  they say that this meets the USB is [TS]

  certification but more than that we [TS]

  don't really know right so you're in [TS]

  this place we're like okay amazon says [TS]

  yes we do this and they have it listed [TS]

  on their site in this dongle article i [TS]

  linked to their policy but there's [TS]

  really no assurance that they really do [TS]

  meet that and so you know my advice and [TS]

  at the one i do recommend here I spoke [TS]

  to the company they said yes we do have [TS]

  meet the stats I are we do meet the [TS]

  certification or the requirements that [TS]

  went to the US BF they also said this [TS]

  one is listed but yeah there's lots more [TS]

  than meets the eye you know these [TS]

  goggles are not just it's just cheap [TS]

  piece of plastic and there's more to it [TS]

  you buy stuff from monoprice now I love [TS]

  this company and I've never had a bad [TS]

  bad product from them announcing the [TS]

  segue into an ad no it is not obviously [TS]

  it is an honest just endorsement the end [TS]

  I but the truth is I was looking but I [TS]

  mean you're like that was a compliment [TS]

  you are that such a great segue or for [TS]

  the ads for your for your sponsors that [TS]

  sometimes you don't really know so I was [TS]

  like it's a not answer I would love to [TS]

  have my sponsor but I'm monoprice is a [TS]

  great company they there there stick is [TS]

  that the you know that their cables and [TS]

  dongles and a center are very low price [TS]

  but they're also really well made and [TS]

  they make them themselves as far as i [TS]

  know all they sell our their own [TS]

  products so you go to monoprice.com and [TS]

  search for various cables and they even [TS]

  have like it it's a little can be a [TS]

  little bit confusing we're like [TS]

  sometimes they have like three different [TS]

  tiers and I don't know what the names [TS]

  are but there's something I look at this [TS]

  good better and best of the cabling and [TS]

  there's like the one that's the cheapest [TS]

  and then they have ones like a like I've [TS]

  bought a bunch of little lit real little [TS]

  like six-inch tiny 6-inch lightning [TS]

  cables because there's certain [TS]

  situations for that you don't want a big [TS]

  long cable like when i plug a like a [TS]

  movie battery pack into my phone I don't [TS]

  want I don't want a three foot cable [TS]

  okay on a tiny little cable and they [TS]

  have said this company makes them they [TS]

  make them and they're super low priced [TS]

  and they have a great reputation for [TS]

  quality but right now in my opinion they [TS]

  don't have a lot of the USBC Thunderbolt [TS]

  stuff because I think they're not ready [TS]

  yet [TS]

  you know it's like I feel like by this [TS]

  time next year so these and they're all [TS]

  mfi certified yeah and by next by this [TS]

  time next year i think model price is [TS]

  the place you maybe even six months from [TS]

  now [TS]

  monoprice will be the place to go to get [TS]

  all your you know USBC stuff that you [TS]

  don't want to pay thirty nine dollars or [TS]

  29 direct from apple for but you can't [TS]

  do it yet because i think it's still so [TS]

  new but they have ones like that the [TS]

  high-end one has like this is like a [TS]

  just a lightning USB a to lightning [TS]

  adapter and it has like a nice braided [TS]

  oh yeah canvas cable and gavin has this [TS]

  is the thing I really love about it [TS]

  a little green light on the lightning [TS]

  and it was sort of like the old yes like [TS]

  magsafe yeah it's like magsafe which is [TS]

  another thing that i really miss on the [TS]

  new i mentioned that in my review I was [TS]

  it is maddening not to have the little [TS]

  light you know what and for me and you [TS]

  know it again we're buying these right [TS]

  now by the way I'm telling you it's a [TS]

  great guy i did again they haven't paid [TS]

  me in a climate i love this company and [TS]

  also they're certified again when i did [TS]

  my dongle reporting it really is [TS]

  important to get the certified stuff [TS]

  because it means apples tested it like [TS]

  Apple I mean say what you want about [TS]

  buying some of these you overprice [TS]

  dongles Apple tests all of those with [TS]

  their products right [TS]

  in fact it's funny i just got an update [TS]

  i plugged in one of these adapters and [TS]

  said I needed to update the system for [TS]

  the dongle have you seen that pop-up yes [TS]

  yes I just an example of like had that [TS]

  the two are integrated right so but mfi [TS]

  you know it might seem like it's a [TS]

  stupid little thing but it's it's [TS]

  important to look for this it's the same [TS]

  with the USB CIF stuff you want to look [TS]

  for that you sbif certification [TS]

  the other thing that monoprice has their [TS]

  mid priced ones have like flat cables [TS]

  like a ribbon cable instead of a tube [TS]

  and those can be really nice too because [TS]

  they're a lot less likely to get tangled [TS]

  up if they're longer anyway they make [TS]

  great stuff i love having you want to do [TS]

  a column now not on goals but cables [TS]

  yeah well monoprice cables are great and [TS]

  I love having the indicator light and i [TS]

  really miss having another macbook and [TS]

  one of the things is that it's it's our [TS]

  stupid house the stupid house we live in [TS]

  we have some why don't know who the hell [TS]

  set up these goddamn sockets originally [TS]

  and thought it was a good idea but [TS]

  there's way too many of them that are [TS]

  set up where they're connected the [TS]

  switches on the wall [TS]

  yeah in races and the only reason you'd [TS]

  ever want that is having a light but [TS]

  like in our kitchen there is a light [TS]

  hanging from the ceiling like why would [TS]

  anybody put a water it that we have it [TS]

  we have sockets that have their you know [TS]

  meant to be hooked up to light switches [TS]

  in positions where you never want to put [TS]

  a light and a totally but that means [TS]

  we've got sockets that are sometimes off [TS]

  and i love it you know and there's [TS]

  nobody comes into the room and flicks it [TS]

  but they don't realize that it's not [TS]

  until then you turn it off and you plug [TS]

  something in your likewise it's not [TS]

  charging [TS]

  right and the other common scenario for [TS]

  me at least is weird you know it's [TS]

  somewhat older house and some some of [TS]

  the sockets are little loosey-goosey and [TS]

  when you put the heavy macbook charger [TS]

  right in the wall sometimes gravity just [TS]

  pulls it out enough where it's not [TS]

  actually in the light having the light [TS]

  actually go on when you plug it into the [TS]

  thing I find to be very very helpful [TS]

  because every once in a while i'll plug [TS]

  in the magsafe on my macbook and the [TS]

  light doesn't go on and I know it's [TS]

  either plugged into a socket that needs [TS]

  to switch to be flipped or the thing on [TS]

  the wall isn't in all the way [TS]

  yeah I'm with you on ID on the light [TS]

  especially to the side of the same [TS]

  situation or sometimes it will fall out [TS]

  like well like you know you're pulling [TS]

  out and it falls out or like we have you [TS]

  know that when we had the dog and it was [TS]

  younger we would take it we would unplug [TS]

  everything because we don't want to eat [TS]

  anything and you know you think you plug [TS]

  in your thing you think it's charging [TS]

  but then it's not charging because you [TS]

  don't see the light and I always love [TS]

  the orange to green it's like aren't you [TS]

  know it's still charging green you know [TS]

  it's good yeah you don't even have to [TS]

  open the thing i really ask that [TS]

  and these lightning cables from [TS]

  monoprice have those so anyway that's [TS]

  and I don't know what we're talking [TS]

  about cables you know this Griffin [TS]

  Griffin makes the the fake magsafe for [TS]

  us bc yeah have you seen it i I've [TS]

  tested i didn't write about it it's [TS]

  really not worth it because again you [TS]

  had with then you have this little [TS]

  dongle thing you have another dongle [TS]

  hanging off for us bc you know in the [TS]

  USB port you're stuck with what should I [TS]

  do with that thing you know it's just [TS]

  like and I've lost it like I don't know [TS]

  where it is right now I mean the offices [TS]

  and that's already but so you've lost [TS]

  the dongle for the whatever priced it's [TS]

  like a table it's an oven for your uncle [TS]

  yeah it is god bless Griffin for for [TS]

  having tried to make it but no media [TS]

  thank you think I'm sorry to be mean to [TS]

  you it doesn't know where it doesn't [TS]

  satisfy it doesn't it [TS]

  it's not the same yeah no it's not it's [TS]

  i plan to send it back [TS]

  Thank You Griffin for sent me this [TS]

  product that i did not like but good [TS]

  work making it ya know i'm happy about [TS]

  monoprice that this is a great great [TS]

  site uh what is a complaint i've seen [TS]

  and i just did not occur to me while I [TS]

  was testing the device but some people [TS]

  have said that with there's you know I [TS]

  bought a [TS]

  USBC a thumb thumb drive [TS]

  do you know because that's one of the [TS]

  little things that you you know you'd [TS]

  you know being able to plug a thumb [TS]

  drive in it just you know usba is so [TS]

  ubiquitous that it did the first time I [TS]

  i really did run into this well as [TS]

  testing them the macbook i was going to [TS]

  transfer is just one thing with a thumb [TS]

  drive and it's like oh crap can't do [TS]

  that [TS]

  wow that's weird so i bought a [TS]

  thumbdrive that's us bc i've seen people [TS]

  say that they have some some USBC things [TS]

  probably not the cables but you know [TS]

  like drives or card readers or something [TS]

  and powered well but the problem on the [TS]

  new macbook pros is that the USBC port [TS]

  or too close to each other that they're [TS]

  so close to each other that there are [TS]

  some things that you can plug in and it [TS]

  covers the other port or is at least [TS]

  close enough to the other port that you [TS]

  can't even plug the cable [TS]

  well that's that's exactly the problem [TS]

  that i have on the 13-inch as we come [TS]

  back to the tape the 13-inch no escape [TS]

  whatever it's got the macbook no escape [TS]

  we should come up with another name for [TS]

  that I don't like love the no escape [TS]

  anyway no it's not no escape it is the [TS]

  macbook back to escape sorry that [TS]

  happened to escape on that the ports are [TS]

  close to each other [TS]

  yeah and i have this SD card reader that [TS]

  has to be powered because many of these [TS]

  dongles don't require power to work [TS]

  depending on what you're plugging into [TS]

  them and depending how good the dongle [TS]

  is so this is one that's made by [TS]

  hyperdrive it's a really cheap you SD [TS]

  card USB USB see SD card reader but you [TS]

  have to plug it requires power and I [TS]

  can't plug in the power because it's [TS]

  blocking the port you laugh at my my [TS]

  life [TS]

  well it's ya know but it's part of the [TS]

  thing that is part of the thing i think [TS]

  i bought I bought an SD card reader too [TS]

  and I'm i don't know what the hell i put [TS]

  it open my bag right it's no good [TS]

  like as much as people complain about [TS]

  these and it does look silly and stupid [TS]

  companies are like these are things that [TS]

  people deal with in their everyday life [TS]

  you know and maybe some of us more than [TS]

  others [TS]

  I like I'm lucky I'm sitting here with [TS]

  like a giant bag of dongles you know [TS]

  because i just called them all in when i [TS]

  was doing this dongle piece but knowing [TS]

  literally it's like five hundred dollars [TS]

  worth of dongles if not more than i had [TS]

  sad one mother nice thing about [TS]

  monoprice is that with other cables that [TS]

  they sell they have some color choices i [TS]

  know and the color choices if you if you [TS]

  if you think about it before you place [TS]

  your order you can do some smart things [TS]

  where I when I started doing a few [TS]

  months ago is for life what's the old [TS]

  USB to microUSB right the right one that [TS]

  was sort of that's the real small the [TS]

  smallest USB connector before us bc but [TS]

  how many many is it magic its micro mini [TS]

  was the one that was sort of small but [TS]

  fat [TS]

  well whatever it is the one is what are [TS]

  you talking about which the one that [TS]

  standard on most at miss android fronts [TS]

  that micro that's the one [TS]

  so I still I need to have one of those [TS]

  because my kindle charges with that yeah [TS]

  and my little mophie battery packs [TS]

  charged with that so I whenever i buy [TS]

  those I just buy them in orange and then [TS]

  one day in my bag [TS]

  it's very distinctive it's not black [TS]

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  thing is that your column I think it [TS]

  just came out today on the spectacles [TS]

  snack yeah yeah it's just that they [TS]

  called snapchat spectacles are they now [TS]

  snap what's the deal with the name [TS]

  chance it like that the social network [TS]

  is still called snapchat but the parent [TS]

  company is now snap is that correct [TS]

  ok correct yeah and it doesn't say [TS]

  snapchat spectacles on here but [TS]

  everyone's calling that that's what [TS]

  they're called like people calling them [TS]

  that because the app is still called [TS]

  snapchat and they only really work with [TS]

  snapchat it's not wrong to call them [TS]

  snapchat spectacles it's sort of wrong [TS]

  to added that you can't it's not the [TS]

  snapchats spectacles it's not you know [TS]

  it doesn't belong to snapchat and be [TS]

  snaps spectacles you're my entire [TS]

  connection to snapchat I've installed [TS]

  the app I looked at it I don't [TS]

  understand it and then you have a column [TS]

  of what a long while back earlier this [TS]

  year which is what the hell is snapchat [TS]

  and it was the first time it never made [TS]

  sense to me and that is why I'm here [TS]

  you've got a review out of the snapchat [TS]

  spectacles I just before we get into the [TS]

  spectacles I just want to say I saw this [TS]

  thing on Twitter yesterday I forget who [TS]

  it was I'm sorry if if I know you but [TS]

  someone somewhere my twitter feed [TS]

  someone was talking about [TS]

  that they have a friend who has three [TS]

  teenagers and at all they were in [TS]

  andover thanksgiving that they were [TS]

  together and and the topic came up that [TS]

  everytime facebook / Instagram copies [TS]

  something from snapchat it makes these [TS]

  teenagers more brand attached to [TS]

  snapchat that they they know what's [TS]

  going on they see it and it makes them [TS]

  rather than make them i'll just use [TS]

  Instagram and snapchat it makes them [TS]

  want to use snapchat more because they [TS]

  see it as the rip-off that it is and the [TS]

  end in specific context of this was that [TS]

  instagram has added a snapchat like [TS]

  feature of notifying you when somebody [TS]

  you're communicating with takes a [TS]

  screenshot of one of the ephemeral [TS]

  things that you send them right right [TS]

  yeah i mean and the whole stories [TS]

  feature in Instagram which was added you [TS]

  know a couple months ago is a complete [TS]

  ripoff of snapchat right and I note some [TS]

  degree that really did work because i [TS]

  think it worked for people like you who [TS]

  were just like why do i I've already in [TS]

  instagram instagram used to be cool [TS]

  I'm here and why should I go learn some [TS]

  complicated snapchat thing and then you [TS]

  know Instagram went and added snapchat [TS]

  like stuff and people are like okay cool [TS]

  yeah i think that it's you know like for [TS]

  the teens that there everybody you know [TS]

  they use snapchat is all their friends [TS]

  are already on I don't need snapchat [TS]

  because I I don't really like the [TS]

  honestly I don't really care that much [TS]

  about the Instagram what are they called [TS]

  stories i've started checking them out a [TS]

  little bit but i really don't pay [TS]

  attention to them and anywhere near as [TS]

  much as just my regular Instagram feet [TS]

  yeah I mean yeah I i see them up there [TS]

  and I like click on them and I'm just [TS]

  like oh ok you know then but then you [TS]

  end up seeing like the same photo [TS]

  no it's um you know in your actual feed [TS]

  know you posted on either i don't think [TS]

  i've seen that [TS]

  like once or twice and then I was like [TS]

  why the hell am i doing this and yeah [TS]

  stick for it doesn't stick for I've put [TS]

  some in there but it's not surprising [TS]

  that you haven't noticed them because [TS]

  it's you know going that way right [TS]

  anyway and I thought that was just [TS]

  interesting though that in the least it [TS]

  might be it might be giving some of the [TS]

  benefits of snapchat the people who [TS]

  haven't signed up for it like me when [TS]

  I'm seeing these stories from the people [TS]

  i follow on instagram but it doesn't you [TS]

  know it's not doing anything to draw [TS]

  teenagers and the people who are [TS]

  snapchats core market away from snapchat [TS]

  there anything that you know and again [TS]

  it's anecdotal is one guy talking about [TS]

  his friends three teenagers but it's [TS]

  pretty interesting i thought yeah i mean [TS]

  i think it makes sense i think that like [TS]

  though and especially the brand's [TS]

  awareness that's happened around these [TS]

  glasses like the the scramble to get [TS]

  them it they have this really strong [TS]

  I'm you know just for better or worse [TS]

  like cool coolness you know it and and I [TS]

  think part of it is like they haven't [TS]

  really caved to being this sort of like [TS]

  mainstream place like they do have the [TS]

  whole discover thing with all the brands [TS]

  and stuff like that and they try to sort [TS]

  of shut that down your face but there's [TS]

  still the core of what snapchat is which [TS]

  is you know building these stories are [TS]

  sending your expiring photos and videos [TS]

  yeah I did yeah I've been and and i [TS]

  think since I've written that piece that [TS]

  the piece about you know what is [TS]

  snapchat and how to use it i feel like [TS]

  many adults sort of either they sort of [TS]

  just were like okay I get what it is now [TS]

  but i'm not going to use it or they've [TS]

  you know they've started to use it and [TS]

  they've sort of just said this is a [TS]

  place where there are our younger people [TS]

  and their stuff to do here and I don't [TS]

  really need to know what's happening [TS]

  here is the thing and I don't I get it [TS]

  now but I don't need to know it right [TS]

  like it for me honestly it's like I [TS]

  don't I don't want to hang out in a bar [TS]

  where I'm 20 years older than everybody [TS]

  else's [TS]

  who's in the bar yeah I don't know that [TS]

  I would go running away but i might just [TS]

  you know finish [TS]

  finished one drink and you know it love [TS]

  it for some reason and I have a lot of [TS]

  people in here that like our colleagues [TS]

  or friends that are are similar age to [TS]

  me for sure [TS]

  um yeah I mean and but it's like it is [TS]

  random things that you don't really have [TS]

  to think that much about you know [TS]

  Twitter I mean I'm kind of over Twitter [TS]

  I need to like get get a twitter for a [TS]

  little bit but yeah it's just like stuff [TS]

  that you know you and then the filters [TS]

  are fun you know the filters are really [TS]

  fun to play where I'm with and even [TS]

  though now for some of them are so [TS]

  promotional for some of these companies [TS]

  it's ridiculous but yeah it's the the [TS]

  glasses are interesting because [TS]

  obviously they've done what google glass [TS]

  just never did which was make wearing a [TS]

  camera super cool right everyone's such [TS]

  an interesting comparison in so many [TS]

  ways it from i have just a simple design [TS]

  perspective of what they look like uh [TS]

  how much they cost and you know honestly [TS]

  I think it really comes down to the fact [TS]

  that ok they announce these spectacles a [TS]

  couple of weeks ago but that's not a a [TS]

  vaporware announcement they're out now [TS]

  right i mean there's people who have you [TS]

  know the production ones are out in the [TS]

  real world so it's not like you know but [TS]

  whereas google glass was I forget with [TS]

  google called it but it was you know for [TS]

  ya the explorers program or something [TS]

  like that and they were expensive and [TS]

  they were just so weird and and I in so [TS]

  many ways everything about it from the [TS]

  mo much they cost what they look like to [TS]

  do the envisioned usage of like [TS]

  recording everything everywhere vs these [TS]

  spectacles which are the design wise [TS]

  there so obviously toys right and that [TS]

  they're not to be taken seriously in any [TS]

  way I can maybe that's just the bottom [TS]

  line was that Google's google glass was [TS]

  clearly meant to be taken seriously and [TS]

  it I couldn't take it seriously but it [TS]

  it was such an earnest device whereas [TS]

  these things are just may have fun with [TS]

  some sunglasses that have take 10 second [TS]

  first videos or you know I mean totally [TS]

  and I mean as and and I think they're [TS]

  told [TS]

  the awesome like I even though i was [TS]

  totally frustrated with this experience [TS]

  of trying to get them which led to this [TS]

  funny story that I wrote about all these [TS]

  people scrambling to go to these vending [TS]

  machines to get these things I mean it's [TS]

  totally insane [TS]

  they're awesome because they're just so [TS]

  simple right there and that was the [TS]

  other thing about glasses like they were [TS]

  trying to do all of this stuff they were [TS]

  overlaying things they were it was all [TS]

  this complicated technology to swipe [TS]

  places there's voice control this is [TS]

  just so simple that you that you just [TS]

  feel like it's so easy to capture the [TS]

  moment that you're looking at in the and [TS]

  the point of view videos awesome i'm [TS]

  obsessed with it to begin with and and [TS]

  you know being able to like instantly [TS]

  share it [TS]

  although the the bluetooth pairing is a [TS]

  bit of an issue and it just works it's [TS]

  just like super easy and and works but [TS]

  you know it's a lot of hype about [TS]

  something that's really very simple [TS]

  I what's your experience with like like [TS]

  the quality of the video not that good [TS]

  is it is it difficult in low-light I [TS]

  mean what what is it what is the latest [TS]

  low light is not good at all [TS]

  I'm but like again their sunglasses so [TS]

  when he really going to be wearing them [TS]

  that much in low-light like I you I'd i [TS]

  know i should the video my video this [TS]

  week we shot pretty much like it's a [TS]

  shot of me on the left-hand side with [TS]

  our regular camera and then the shot [TS]

  from the spectacles on the right-hand [TS]

  side for most of the video and I mean [TS]

  obviously the quality is just like you [TS]

  can very much see the difference and I [TS]

  you know my first idea for the video was [TS]

  like let's shoot the whole video with [TS]

  the spectacles and just when i started [TS]

  watching the footage I was like nobody's [TS]

  gonna watch more than a minute of this [TS]

  like it's just not it's it's it's grainy [TS]

  it's it's some of its blurry you I i saw [TS]

  some people saying that they think it's [TS]

  as good as an iphone i don't agree at [TS]

  all even when you export it as HD [TS]

  directly from the glasses into the app [TS]

  and then directly to your phone [TS]

  it does not look like a an iphone or a [TS]

  good smartphone i think it's a clever [TS]

  design choice to make them sunglasses [TS]

  because that it it says this is you know [TS]

  you can use them for everyone but [TS]

  they're meant to be used outside where [TS]

  there's daylight which [TS]

  yeah huge difference furred you know a [TS]

  camera that has you know trouble with [TS]

  you know low-light totally and that was [TS]

  the piece that i wrote this week which [TS]

  was like these are really fun and [TS]

  exciting and we should all be like we [TS]

  should be excited about this kind of [TS]

  thing it's it's it's an interesting way [TS]

  of of taking a video and I wish it took [TS]

  photos without shoving a phone in your [TS]

  face right in somebody's face and like [TS]

  the the clips I've captured of kids who [TS]

  are sort of scared of of the phone or [TS]

  you know sort of back away and get a [TS]

  little shy and when when you stick the [TS]

  phone in their face or even my dog my [TS]

  dog knows about the phone you know he's [TS]

  always like kind of like pushes it out [TS]

  of the way right he doesn't like the [TS]

  phone you got that kind of goes away [TS]

  with these but there's still this there [TS]

  is this stigma of being able to record [TS]

  people when they don't know and and you [TS]

  definitely can do that with these i had [TS]

  i said the piece like I've recorded many [TS]

  moments this week that people did not [TS]

  know I was recording because you're not [TS]

  holding a phone up and there's this year [TS]

  the social norms around holding up a [TS]

  phone people know you're recording [TS]

  something something weird is happening [TS]

  you sort of staring like there's one [TS]

  situation i'm staring at a barista with [TS]

  these sunglasses on [TS]

  she's like what the you know she's [TS]

  looking at me weird which is good [TS]

  because she she notices that something [TS]

  is different but also I don't think she [TS]

  necessarily knew that there was video [TS]

  recording you know maybe she thought I [TS]

  was like shooting lasers in my I don't [TS]

  know what you think she might have [TS]

  thought but right I'm yeah it's really [TS]

  interesting i dado that the piece ever [TS]

  was that we sort of need to have some [TS]

  rules around wearing cameras because [TS]

  this is this is just the start of it [TS]

  right like the augmented reality glasses [TS]

  and the headsets are are are likely to [TS]

  have cameras and we have to sort of we [TS]

  need to be respectful of people with me [TS]

  when we are putting these things on even [TS]

  if they do look like fun [TS]

  cool see ya especially as they become [TS]

  more and more subtle [TS]

  I mean these are you know he's right if [TS]

  you're walking around indoors with these [TS]

  it's obvious you've got to be if people [TS]

  don't know what they are they just at [TS]

  least know there's something [TS]

  yeah exactly but it's not going to be [TS]

  too long before you'll have classes that [TS]

  could have a camera on them where you'd [TS]

  really have to look closely to notice [TS]

  that there's a camera [TS]

  on them it's not going to be long you [TS]

  know and it's not like you know like if [TS]

  you strapped a GoPro to your head or or [TS]

  lower like you do on some of your videos [TS]

  when you strap an SLR your head and I'd [TS]

  i tweeted about this yesterday the [TS]

  spectacles cannot replace that know that [TS]

  the technology of my helmet camera is [TS]

  just far too good and the design is far [TS]

  too good for me to replace them with [TS]

  these toys on glass well it'll happen [TS]

  soon though I mean just look at what [TS]

  happened with the iphone right the [TS]

  original iphone nine years ago didn't [TS]

  even shoot video period [TS]

  yeah which is crazy if you think about [TS]

  it like he and I I've looked that there [TS]

  have been several times over the years [TS]

  when I thought wait am I misremembering [TS]

  that maybe it's not really bad video and [TS]

  then go back and it's like nope didn't [TS]

  shoot video I so it went from shooting [TS]

  no video to shooting really terrible [TS]

  video to now shooting better video than [TS]

  my then my twelve hundred dollar fuji [TS]

  because it has image stabilization on [TS]

  the video in the fuji doesn't and as [TS]

  you're Fugees shoot 4k on that you [TS]

  probably shoot that for much more k with [TS]

  your iphone but i know but if i wanted [TS]

  to i could which is you know kind of a [TS]

  man right yeah i mean it definitely is [TS]

  gonna happen and I think glasses are [TS]

  things are going to be a egg at the next [TS]

  big wave of what we see in this you know [TS]

  whether be a RV our world and especially [TS]

  ones that do look like very normal [TS]

  glasses that look like you know the [TS]

  warby parkers and and raybans so these [TS]

  are a hundred and thirty bucks [TS]

  do you think what what's the word on [TS]

  availability like they gonna say like [TS]

  there's no way that like they're going [TS]

  to meet demand for the holidays [TS]

  well you're you know how they're sort of [TS]

  selling them in these pop-up vending [TS]

  machines yeah yeah so I'm so that's how [TS]

  I got into this story so I like I wanted [TS]

  to I wanted to review these snapchat [TS]

  said no review units you have to go to [TS]

  these these vending machines and so you [TS]

  know they started popping up mostly in [TS]

  California a few times I asked them to [TS]

  the wait in line and their the lines [TS]

  were three or four five hours deep when [TS]

  people with waiting in the lines [TS]

  and not getting them i had a friend who [TS]

  stood out in Venice for me or no sorry [TS]

  Santa Monica they were the in line for [TS]

  four hours never ended up getting them [TS]

  you know snapchat has done an incredible [TS]

  job apple-like job of creating hype [TS]

  around these things with the lines with [TS]

  the marketing its its it i mean it's [TS]

  pretty incredible as a user it's totally [TS]

  it's it's the worst it's really bad but [TS]

  from when you look at it from a tech [TS]

  company perspective the tech you know [TS]

  industry perspective I don't know the [TS]

  last time company has created this much [TS]

  hype around of a gadget no other than [TS]

  apple right so they've done that they've [TS]

  really done that with these with these [TS]

  things then and then there's the resale [TS]

  market right because you could only get [TS]

  these so i wrote this paint this front [TS]

  page piece i wrote in a head for the [TS]

  journal about these people who are going [TS]

  to insane lengths to get to the vending [TS]

  machines so they could buy the hundred [TS]

  and thirty dollar glasses and quickly [TS]

  flip them for ten times the price on [TS]

  ebay right so I mean again [TS]

  i I really don't think that there's any [TS]

  comparison other than to apple totally I [TS]

  mean and it like you know when I was I [TS]

  started telling people about this and [TS]

  they're like well isn't aren't the lines [TS]

  basically just like Apple and you know [TS]

  so well they are they definitely are but [TS]

  the scarcity of it and the fact that [TS]

  they're only releasing them in these [TS]

  vending machines and random places it [TS]

  was created madness I mean imagine if [TS]

  Apple did that I mean if Apple did that [TS]

  now would be totally madness right you [TS]

  only could get your the new iphone i [TS]

  mean that people would probably lying up [TS]

  for for an apple product like one of [TS]

  these probably this USBC dongle if it [TS]

  was some sort of special thing you know [TS]

  it only came from certain types of [TS]

  vending machines and it was the only [TS]

  thing you could get maybe the dongles [TS]

  about example but whatever [TS]

  so yeah they've done like this crazy [TS]

  this crazy I mean I said it was you know [TS]

  it's evan spiegel version of The Hunger [TS]

  Games basically it's just like dropping [TS]

  random in vending machines and random [TS]

  parts of the country and seeing who who [TS]

  goes to it a lot [TS]

  it's a very simple product that's the [TS]

  thing it and it's such a simple product [TS]

  and it's something that's like the [TS]

  technology has been around for years you [TS]

  could buy these cameras you know a [TS]

  hundred dollars on amazon for a [TS]

  you know camcorder glasses you know what [TS]

  get these things the only other guy I [TS]

  thought of another example the other [TS]

  example would be Tesla we're with the [TS]

  i'm going to forget the name of their [TS]

  upcoming mid you know 34 whatever the [TS]

  mid-priced sedan is but ass [TS]

  yeah there's at it then whatever it's [TS]

  called the whatever the new one that's [TS]

  that's not out for another two years and [TS]

  they got so many pre-orders you know [TS]

  that the little it was backed up people [TS]

  who were you know signing up you know [TS]

  again you have to pay the whole price [TS]

  pre-order but tremendous tremendous you [TS]

  know would get in line [TS]

  buy it sight unseen brand awareness [TS]

  right right [TS]

  price-wise you know ya hundred and [TS]

  thirty dollars sunglasses are a little [TS]

  different than a fifty-thousand-dollar [TS]

  car but still it just speaks though [TS]

  to me it is a under may be undervalued [TS]

  by many people at way to measure a brand [TS]

  you know that there's very very as [TS]

  always you can count them on one hand [TS]

  the companies that can do something like [TS]

  this [TS]

  yeah I mean and you didn't really think [TS]

  snapchat could but they have you know [TS]

  and they're going to IPO soon and I [TS]

  think it's something I think there's a [TS]

  sedating company i do too and I think [TS]

  again I don't I I'm you know I'm not an [TS]

  expert on them i don't use the service [TS]

  but I you know as a guy i am fascinated [TS]

  and I do like reading stories about them [TS]

  and to me the demand for this these [TS]

  spectacles is a excellent i think it's [TS]

  excellent news for anybody who's [TS]

  involved with the IPO because to me that [TS]

  sort of a brand awareness brand trust [TS]

  Brandon thusi as it may be is the best [TS]

  way to put it is is a valuable thing and [TS]

  it's the sort of thing that that isn't [TS]

  likely to dissipate quickly [TS]

  yeah and i think you know it's funny [TS]

  like we spend but an hour an hour and 55 [TS]

  minutes talking about laptops right [TS]

  snapchat has no presence on your [TS]

  computer 19 and I have been less than [TS]

  Instagram which at least has a website [TS]

  that is you know more or less meant to [TS]

  be used on it on a desktop computer and [TS]

  its fat you know I make a video series [TS]

  III do one video a week that basically [TS]

  we do it does go on our platform but it [TS]

  goes on snapchat and we have far more [TS]

  viewers on snapchat for the for the [TS]

  video [TS]

  and we have anywhere else and you know [TS]

  the the a that means that whatever i'm [TS]

  doing is resonating with people on [TS]

  snapchat which is great but it also just [TS]

  means like people are so hungry to watch [TS]

  these videos in this format and you know [TS]

  I like i did that piece a couple months [TS]

  ago on vertical video and I hope that [TS]

  there will be some sort of solution down [TS]

  down the road I actually you know these [TS]

  these take up circular video which i [TS]

  think is pretty cool how does not mean [TS]

  at all on the dl but how does that work [TS]

  on the desktop like if you just like it [TS]

  just exports a circle so you like when [TS]

  you open it like in quicktime player [TS]

  whatever on your Mac it just plays in a [TS]

  circle [TS]

  yeah watch my video this week because we [TS]

  like to do and did you see the circles [TS]

  yes so the circle is actually what you [TS]

  get [TS]

  yeah like the the shots where there's [TS]

  like the circle on white like there's [TS]

  this circle in the middle and then wait [TS]

  on the other side of it like a big polka [TS]

  dot that's how it exports fascinating [TS]

  and then as you're watching it the cool [TS]

  thing is as you're watching it on the [TS]

  phone [TS]

  yeah you can watch watch join this video [TS]

  you'll see it but as you rotate the [TS]

  phone it just takes a rectangle within [TS]

  the circle so if you're holding your [TS]

  phone vertically it takes a vertical [TS]

  rectangle within the circle and then as [TS]

  you rotate it just you know you never [TS]

  see you never see black bars it's always [TS]

  fills the screen [TS]

  yeah and win the weird thing is I get it [TS]

  it's the framing with the glasses isn't [TS]

  great like you don't really know like [TS]

  that's where you could see like an [TS]

  augmented-reality thing being very [TS]

  helpful in these like if there was a way [TS]

  to sort of be looking at your glasses [TS]

  and say this is the center of your frame [TS]

  you know we're like you know actually be [TS]

  really cool if they showed you inside [TS]

  where the circle really is no I'm [TS]

  because like they're under a mountain of [TS]

  many shots where I would like take a [TS]

  shot at the dog and like half the dog [TS]

  space was cut off [TS]

  yeah like oh yeah like love to capture a [TS]

  memory with you know half a child's face [TS]

  in it but yeah I think like they're just [TS]

  doing really interesting things around [TS]

  video with interesting like that it you [TS]

  know in the piece where it was a journal [TS]

  magazine piece and evan spiegel [TS]

  announced that he was making these and [TS]

  renaming the company snap and he kept [TS]

  saying that the company is now a camera [TS]

  company it's interesting positioning I [TS]

  keep thinking the company's much more of [TS]

  a like a TV network or this or or [TS]

  it's sort of more like the YouTube of of [TS]

  mobile in my in my sort of thinking [TS]

  about it but it seems like he's very set [TS]

  on controlling the camera experience and [TS]

  giving people interesting ways to use [TS]

  their smartphone or now glasses camera [TS]

  so makes you wonder what kind of other [TS]

  camera products they're going to work on [TS]

  but given that like today there's news [TS]

  that GoPro just laid off fifteen percent [TS]

  of their workforce so you know great [TS]

  time to be in the camera business I'd I [TS]

  think go pro I'm invited I'm not an [TS]

  expert on that either but I think GoPro [TS]

  has always been [TS]

  I've always seen them as the next flip [TS]

  remember the flip cameras totally [TS]

  totally and it's I've never end whenever [TS]

  I said that the people there they have [TS]

  no no because blank blank and it's like [TS]

  I don't everything you just said to me [TS]

  doesn't make any sense to me they're [TS]

  exactly like the flip where they you [TS]

  know had a couple of good years because [TS]

  they were ahead of the game but that [TS]

  other you know there's there's nothing [TS]

  to sustain it and I side already noticed [TS]

  I see less people with GoPros at places [TS]

  like the beach and stuff like that like [TS]

  a couple years ago when know you know it [TS]

  was like yeah I'll need safeway people [TS]

  felt to you know take photos at the [TS]

  beach I think now that we have at least [TS]

  splash-proof phones i see a lot more [TS]

  people who are willing to like you know [TS]

  go knee deep in the water with the phone [TS]

  in their hand to take a picture and you [TS]

  know no longer need to have a go pro I [TS]

  think I actually tweeted that during the [TS]

  one of the event at the apple of the [TS]

  iphone event it was like this is the [TS]

  worst news for gopro right now this this [TS]

  because I'm that way now like I don't [TS]

  worry about using that i use my phone in [TS]

  the shower on election night I i tweeted [TS]

  that I was like I was legitimately in [TS]

  the shower looking at CNN looking at the [TS]

  expo I was like you know it it's it's [TS]

  it's really you don't really even when [TS]

  it was announced that this is gonna be [TS]

  waterproof / 50 know it's all this fun [TS]

  stuff we again I obviously did a lot of [TS]

  the pool stuff or whatever but there's [TS]

  just there's this huge level of anxiety [TS]

  that just goes away [TS]

  yeah and and especially the beach or the [TS]

  pool or you know you're trying to get [TS]

  your washing your dog or you're watching [TS]

  your child and you don't really care [TS]

  that the phone gets wet [TS]

  and those were the times he would take [TS]

  out the GoPro always been paranoid about [TS]

  using my phone in the rain [TS]

  honestly I've always been super paranoid [TS]

  about you know scorching a whatever you [TS]

  call it you know ruining the phone by [TS]

  getting it wet even know like the [TS]

  headphone jack has pointed has been on [TS]

  the bottom for a while I don't know but [TS]

  it's yeah you know I feel much better [TS]

  now [TS]

  anything else you want to talk about i [TS]

  think we could wrap up otherwise unless [TS]

  you have a topic now I think I'm you [TS]

  know I'm so what am i doing about the [TS]

  laptop back buying your old one [TS]

  you're currently the fall you're not [TS]

  buying my own because I don't want to [TS]

  get a new one yet I wanted [TS]

  I'm gonna hold onto in front of you [TS]

  because you wouldn't have to make this [TS]

  decision i mean i'm in the case where I [TS]

  would eat i'm probably going to add that [TS]

  this is a company laptop i might see if [TS]

  we have any old pros hanging around and [TS]

  it's not that it doesn't work it works [TS]

  fine but I just need I need a little bit [TS]

  more been doing more video stuff and [TS]

  you've got to get rid of the non retina [TS]

  screen it's a non retina screen is it is [TS]

  the thing is going to recognize wrecked [TS]

  by I i think that is how wall stud got [TS]

  this next heir all set for the for the [TS]

  apocalypse [TS]

  you know I by the time he needs it in [TS]

  the next macbook pros will be out it [TS]

  it's it's really easy he's never going [TS]

  to open that box because by the time the [TS]

  time even would be tempted to its he's [TS]

  he can get a macbook pro that will you [TS]

  know in the dongle situation will be way [TS]

  better Wi-Fi USB see everywhere mr. i [TS]

  say at you know ultimately if you can [TS]

  wait a little bit until the you know [TS]

  USBC everywhere is a little bit closer [TS]

  to the truth and maybe even one more [TS]

  generation of these comes out it's [TS]

  probably worth it but if you you know [TS]

  really are desperate [TS]

  I wouldn't hesitate to just get the [TS]

  macbook pro touch bar right now if you [TS]

  really need it if you can wait a year i [TS]

  would wait here [TS]

  yeah I guess I wait a year I'm curious [TS]

  when the main event want to go on a long [TS]

  discussion here but i'm curious when [TS]

  because i know it's going to happen is [TS]

  that the macbook air is going to go away [TS]

  i think the fact that they didn't update [TS]

  it at all is [TS]

  shows that it's going to it's either [TS]

  going to go away or Apple would like to [TS]

  start dropping the actual price and sell [TS]

  it for like seven ninety-nine instead of [TS]

  999 but i don't think that they'll do [TS]

  that I kind of think they're the mac is [TS]

  a thing that like with the ipad they'll [TS]

  keep dropping the price but i think the [TS]

  mac is something where they want to [TS]

  maintain the average selling price and I [TS]

  think that's sooner rather than later [TS]

  the macbook air will truly disappear and [TS]

  the macbook will drop to 999 yeah and i [TS]

  think there's a push to I think there's [TS]

  a push to get people to buy those ipad [TS]

  pros you know when you look at really [TS]

  what you what you can do an interview [TS]

  it's really the difference of an [TS]

  operating system [TS]

  yeah well in the prediction here's a [TS]

  prediction with absolutely zero sourcing [TS]

  whatsoever i don't have any inside [TS]

  information on this but it's just my gut [TS]

  feeling as to how Apple does stuff like [TS]

  this is that sometime in the first half [TS]

  of next year I don't know I don't [TS]

  remember when the macbooks the regular [TS]

  12 inch macbooks got updated last year i [TS]

  think it was like April or May or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  yeah maybe around that time again they [TS]

  will update them and they will get the [TS]

  touch bar and the one without the touch [TS]

  bar will remain unchanged and drop in [TS]

  price [TS]

  I don't know that that's I don't think [TS]

  they'll quite get rid of the air yet but [TS]

  then like maybe like within the next 18 [TS]

  months that device the macbook without [TS]

  the touch bar will drop to 999 and are [TS]

  there are some rumors about a new iPad [TS]

  pro oh I think they'll def I think they [TS]

  definitely do that in march and I don't [TS]

  have any information on that other just [TS]

  my hunch that they're not going to go [TS]

  that long without updating the ipad pro [TS]

  and they've already got this new what [TS]

  are they up to now the 810 processor and [TS]

  the iphone 7 whatever they call it [TS]

  yeah a nine-year and whatever yeah and [TS]

  I'll just put but they'll update i think [TS]

  what they'll do is update both ipad pros [TS]

  at the same time the big big one in a [TS]

  medium-sized one I hope they update that [TS]

  keyboard [TS]

  the keyboard cover yeah yeah I never did [TS]

  it's alright but it never did it for me [TS]

  yeah it's a good way to get happy with [TS]

  the macbook pro keyboard that wasn't [TS]

  true that's true i saw this is wonderful [TS]

  to spend some time with that one alright [TS]

  I our actual links in the show notes to [TS]

  your recent work that people can all [TS]

  your recent work that people can all [TS]

  it's fine to hit the wall street journal [TS]

  and then on twitter twitter twitter [TS]

  handle just joanna stern just spill that [TS]

  Joanna Joanna joa na its eastern sterl [TS]

  and I always actually people and I [TS]

  should have done it in your in your [TS]

  voice [TS]

  yes not it's funny how many times I have [TS]

  somebody on the show who I see on [TS]

  twitter and interact with on Twitter all [TS]

  the time and I completely draw a blank [TS]

  on what their their twitter handle is [TS]

  because it's a sort of like phone [TS]

  numbers you know what I mean like once [TS]

  you have a min your Twitter feed you [TS]

  don't really need to to pay attention to [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah and Twitter doesn't make it easy to [TS]

  like add names sometimes even that like [TS]

  autocomplete thing doesn't really work [TS]

  that well yeah i don't know i honest to [TS]

  god I don't even know my wife's phone [TS]

  number III think I know it [TS]

  anything I think I know but I wouldn't [TS]

  want to I wouldn't wanna bet that I get [TS]

  every digit correct because i do 1990 [TS]

  times out of a hundred I just Tapper in [TS]

  the favorites and then like but like [TS]

  sometimes I can't go and pick up a [TS]

  prescription for something like that and [TS]

  they're like you know what's the phone [TS]

  number and I have to fish out my phone [TS]

  and like look at her contact and read it [TS]

  yeah I I I think I know my wife's I and [TS]

  I i don't know like immediate family [TS]

  members anymore just like in my home [TS]

  line of miners tell my parents and I [TS]

  know like my best friend from high [TS]

  schools [TS]

  yeah I know my best friend from high [TS]

  schools a cell phone number but I don't [TS]

  have my oh no I don't know my honored [TS]

  cell phone number not cellphone i know [TS]

  my best friend from high schools home [TS]

  phone number that i haven't dialed in [TS]

  I don't know 20 22 years right as he [TS]

  doesn't live there anymore right but I [TS]

  dialed it so many times as a teenager [TS]

  that it's like completely burned into my [TS]

  friend in my mind anyway Thank You [TS]

  Joanna what it was a great time talking [TS]

  to you yes you too [TS]