The Talk Show

171: ‘Prisoner’s Dilemma Multitasking’, With Special Guest John Moltz

 

  maybe the Cubs are in the world series [TS]

  again every goddamn here right now isn't [TS]

  it annoying the same shit every year but [TS]

  it's getting you know as a sort of [TS]

  Mariner span that's getting pretty [TS]

  embarrassing [TS]

  no its back when the Cubs are there [TS]

  yeah quick haha well okay [TS]

  pretty soon it's just gonna be us it is [TS]

  starting like this way I don't like [TS]

  baseball anymore and what you're [TS]

  Cleveland Cleveland can't stop winning [TS]

  no fair and all the championships tell [TS]

  me [TS]

  yeah it's rigged just like the election [TS]

  but that's like they like it but he's [TS]

  right you know the system is flawed are [TS]

  you John [TS]

  I am fine and how are you good little [TS]

  chilly [TS]

  yeah it started like there was it like [TS]

  there these days [TS]

  59 58 59 but yeah it's about what is [TS]

  here now [TS]

  can't complain yeah i'm in the basement [TS]

  though so it's cool it's cool down here [TS]

  i'm at my office is chilly it is i [TS]

  actually I've you know I'm a very [TS]

  delicate individual and sensitive to [TS]

  minor fluctuations in temperature but [TS]

  i'm at the the north end of the house [TS]

  and so I get that my office gets a does [TS]

  not get the sunlight and then I've that [TS]

  makes the difference you know what its [TS]

  temperate throughout the the main floor [TS]

  of the house is a little chilly in here [TS]

  yeah well I podcast in the basement and [TS]

  usually it's about the same all year [TS]

  round i would say my office is up in the [TS]

  what is was the Attic it's reef is a [TS]

  finished attic and it is it was boiling [TS]

  on the summer and freezing cold in the [TS]

  winter and there's like there's like [TS]

  three days on either you know where [TS]

  those to meet where it's decent so kind [TS]

  of screwed [TS]

  it's a great place you later the [TS]

  boiling-hot part is a particularly nice [TS]

  place to have a bunch of computer [TS]

  equipment [TS]

  that's very good it's good for the [TS]

  equipment really yeah yeah everything [TS]

  I've know about computers it's very very [TS]

  good for them to be and and be subject [TS]

  to where you know wild temperature [TS]

  changes wire wires and things love that [TS]

  so I'm looking forward to thursday [TS]

  yeah I will be flying out tomorrow we're [TS]

  recording on Tuesday show will air i'll [TS]

  probably posted from an airplane [TS]

  tomorrow i'm sure that will work [TS]

  perfectly well and then i will be there [TS]

  on Thursday i'm excited i feel like i [TS]

  feel like this is a good one because we [TS]

  don't we don't know what the hell is [TS]

  going on really no not really not really [TS]

  i mean there's been there's been some [TS]

  rumors about the the new macbook pro [TS]

  right after the only thing I know about [TS]

  though [TS]

  yeah I feel like everything else is sort [TS]

  of unknown you know like there are [TS]

  rumors that there's going to be a new [TS]

  another new we'll get to all this detail [TS]

  but there's rumors that there's going to [TS]

  be another in addition to the macbook [TS]

  pro 13-inch macbook of some sort whether [TS]

  this is an updated air whether it's a [TS]

  new 13-inch regular retina macbook which [TS]

  makes no sense to me [TS]

  we don't know yeah but i'm in the market [TS]

  are you really yeah because my macbook [TS]

  air is a 2012 10 so that's that's good [TS]

  timing [TS]

  yeah so yes this is really exciting for [TS]

  you yeah i mean i was thinking that [TS]

  maybe I would get this year's macbook [TS]

  when I came out the spring but obviously [TS]

  that wasn't quite not big enough [TS]

  update it's a beautiful little machine [TS]

  it yeah so nice it really is the most [TS]

  beautiful mac that Apple's ever made [TS]

  every time i see at the apple store and [TS]

  I just you know I told you and I told [TS]

  you but if you listen to the show but [TS]

  whoever the guests for the last few [TS]

  weeks that we had a word problem with [TS]

  Amy's Apple watch where the bank him [TS]

  often and we went right and I picked it [TS]

  up and I've been in the apple store a [TS]

  lot recently and every time I walk by i [TS]

  always think god damn that's a nice [TS]

  little laptop yeah [TS]

  and you with your feelings on the [TS]

  keyboard [TS]

  I could live with it i'm def a'ight I'd [TS]

  I haven't spent significant time like i [TS]

  never got like a review unit of the [TS]

  regular macbook so I've never spent like [TS]

  a significant amount of time on it but [TS]

  I'm sure that i could get used to it [TS]

  anything that has actual physical keys [TS]

  i'm sure i could get used to I think you [TS]

  in the hypothetical future where they go [TS]

  to some kind of touchscreen like surface [TS]

  for the keyboard to make it even thinner [TS]

  i might have a serious problem then but [TS]

  yeah I'm going to have a problem with [TS]

  that tail up until that point i'm sure i [TS]

  could get used to it because I like I do [TS]

  like and it's you know it's funny [TS]

  because I'd like a real old-fashioned [TS]

  mechanical keyboard right but that's [TS]

  just what I prefer so anything less than [TS]

  that is it's you know fine it's it's not [TS]

  what I prefer but it's fine [TS]

  yeah yeah I think I think for me the via [TS]

  the baseline is some motion but the [TS]

  glass is not it's not really gonna cut [TS]

  it i was i was at a tremor I think this [TS]

  was when Hank broke the screen of his [TS]

  iphone 6s yes success and over the [TS]

  summer we went in there and one of the [TS]

  genes that was helping me was typing on [TS]

  her iPad and just like I mean look like [TS]

  65-70 words a minute and it was crazy [TS]

  you do that I guess you know maybe [TS]

  people maybe people now you know the [TS]

  kids these days maybe coming up learning [TS]

  how to type on glass screens much faster [TS]

  the weekend [TS]

  yeah I've spoken to some people at Apple [TS]

  have said and this is like from a couple [TS]

  years ago that yes that you know and and [TS]

  like in the interim since i've had this [TS]

  discussion with people at Apple they've [TS]

  come out with the the smart keyboard [TS]

  cover for ipad which has physical moving [TS]

  Keys so it's not like they're saying hey [TS]

  you know we don't need physical moving [TS]

  Keys but that you know don't understand [TS]

  if you say you can't type on an iPad [TS]

  don't don't assume that means everybody [TS]

  can't type and the younger it goes the [TS]

  more you know the more natural it seems [TS]

  because it's just what they grew up with [TS]

  ya now in your you're missing a thumb [TS]

  right [TS]

  yes that is correct so i would think [TS]

  that's even harder [TS]

  and am I left my life I mean it's that [TS]

  mrs. there it's just kinda hanging on by [TS]

  a thread right exactly you know where it [TS]

  is i do have I did suffer an injury and [TS]

  I don't know what happened my left ring [TS]

  finger feels like the the first knuckle [TS]

  I at least come dummies when I was in my [TS]

  spy high school basketball like you get [TS]

  a dummy finger-like so your finger [TS]

  wasn't broken didn't have a broken bone [TS]

  but we couldn't feel it now but you know [TS]

  like you haven't ya and basketball [TS]

  happens all the time you catch up all [TS]

  the wrong way but if it you know you it [TS]

  would swell up at the knuckle real bad [TS]

  ok and you wouldn't be able to like flex [TS]

  it all the way but you know you could [TS]

  like tape it up and it be alright it's [TS]

  just one of those little things when you [TS]

  get old and stuff doesn't heal quickly [TS]

  like I don't know what happened but I [TS]

  know it was over summer though because i [TS]

  know that i noticed it when my family [TS]

  was on vacation in this so this was like [TS]

  early August and I was like I don't know [TS]

  what the heck I did like if I jammed it [TS]

  on a door or what the heck i did but i [TS]

  noticed i woke up one morning my left [TS]

  index finger was swollen and hurt like [TS]

  small enough that I wouldn't be able to [TS]

  get my wedding ring off you know i still [TS]

  can [TS]

  and now it's the end I looked over yeah [TS]

  still can't and it's alert a little bit [TS]

  and it seems like the sort of thing like [TS]

  when I was like 17 like you I could stay [TS]

  it would be injured ten times worse like [TS]

  like a golf ball swollen and three days [TS]

  later would be back to normal [TS]

  you really like me in trouble you're [TS]

  gonna be trouble in trouble with Amy [TS]

  lesia get the jaws of life out here [TS]

  you realize if you do realize i realize [TS]

  as as I rock it through been into deeper [TS]

  into my forties that when you're a young [TS]

  person you really are sort of your sort [TS]

  of like halfway to like being like [TS]

  wolverine if you don't appreciate it at [TS]

  the time but as you get over you [TS]

  definitely don't appreciate it [TS]

  yeah yeah I find I found that I like I'm [TS]

  you know a bit older than you but i [TS]

  bruise i get these bruises now and they [TS]

  don't they just like stick around for [TS]

  like a month they were hurt or anything [TS]

  but it's like where it had that happen [TS]

  and.and what I want to go away i have [TS]

  the same thing I will occasionally pick [TS]

  up a bruise like on the back of my elbow [TS]

  right and it's like I don't remember it [TS]

  hitting anything I don't get something [TS]

  happens while asleep and they don't [TS]

  don't go away like they just gonna roll [TS]

  over too fast and boom I got a bruise [TS]

  so what do we know we did alright so [TS]

  what's coming at this event the matter [TS]

  of prose is the guarantee right that's I [TS]

  guess the one thing that we've seen some [TS]

  pictures of him there have been fairly [TS]

  hefty rumors about ya German I think [TS]

  maybe gets credit for breaking at first [TS]

  with this they're replacing the f keys [TS]

  above the keyboard with some kind of [TS]

  some kind of touchscreen I don't know [TS]

  somebody at some point somebody says [TS]

  it's an oled I don't know if that's true [TS]

  or not that will tie into the next [TS]

  discussion about the we called the [TS]

  google pixel that I that I got last week [TS]

  because i gotta tell you i still even [TS]

  though people say they like this pixel [TS]

  display I still don't like the colors on [TS]

  an oled display but that over like [TS]

  that's neither here nor there right now [TS]

  some kind of touchscreen strip and the [TS]

  idea would be that it's therefore [TS]

  because its software you could you know [TS]

  if photoshop could put like a bunch of [TS]

  tools up there or presumably you know [TS]

  maybe like you know a word processor [TS]

  could put style stuff you could just [TS]

  like a bowl button or something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah I don't know so 13-inch 15-inch [TS]

  macbook pros they're supposed to be [TS]

  thinner and then there is a case leaking [TS]

  did you see this thing there's somebody [TS]

  in China leaked a like the top of the [TS]

  case or the unibody enclosure and I [TS]

  think according to the leak [TS]

  it's like it's got four USB seaports [TS]

  like 21 inside still has a headphone [TS]

  jack and then that's it [TS]

  so no more USB ports USB a is the the [TS]

  traditional big sort of rectangular [TS]

  rectangular one yeah USB port that we've [TS]

  known and loved since the imac [TS]

  1998a so no more USB a ports and no more [TS]

  s SD card slot [TS]

  no more what else is the macbook pro [TS]

  have I think it has hdmi right i guess [TS]

  so i think hdmi is the one the one that [TS]

  I'm always trying to plug something into [TS]

  it and it doesn't work so that's the [TS]

  rumor and that's probably true but [TS]

  because it sounds right to me [TS]

  yeah yeah it makes it that makes some [TS]

  sense and I you know I been using a [TS]

  macbook air for years but if it's [TS]

  thinner i might go back to the 13-inch [TS]

  macbook pro yeah hdmi there is on the [TS]

  current one power to USB the heck is [TS]

  that one so i think i don't know how [TS]

  this is that some of the stuff that I [TS]

  feel like I'm getting old them out of [TS]

  date on some of this stuff so it us bc i [TS]

  know based on the retina macbook that [TS]

  you can use USBC for lots of stuff so it [TS]

  you know the retina macbook has one port [TS]

  it's USBC it uses its charge and it uses [TS]

  it to connect to a display and it uses [TS]

  it because you can do like a thunderbolt [TS]

  over us bc and it uses it obviously to [TS]

  connect any USB peripherals you wanted [TS]

  to connect to like so if if this new [TS]

  macbook pro he only has four USB [TS]

  seaports then if you wanted to like plug [TS]

  it into power and plug in a peripheral [TS]

  and plug it into a display would you be [TS]

  able to use any of these ports to plug [TS]

  the display into or is there going to be [TS]

  like what this is the you know you got [TS]

  to use this top left one for the display [TS]

  that's a good question i would think [TS]

  you'd be able to use any of them but I [TS]

  don't you know in the past that some of [TS]

  them have been differences in the USB [TS]

  ports like some of them have different [TS]

  at different power output [TS]

  yeah I don't know and how would they [TS]

  differentiate it seems very unhappily [TS]

  like to to require you to remember that [TS]

  these four PS that look the same [TS]

  actually are different i mean i guess [TS]

  what they could do is is print like a [TS]

  little I don't know some kind of little [TS]

  icon next to the one that you know but [TS]

  that doesn't seem right seems like you [TS]

  should be able to use any of them for [TS]

  anything but I don't know if [TS]

  electronically that works out I don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah i'm gonna guess that's it yeah it [TS]

  is that's just part of the the is Apple [TS]

  doing the lightning or not the Lightning [TS]

  DM what's the line what does USBC have [TS]

  the Thunderbolt in it [TS]

  yes yeah but I mean but is that Apple's [TS]

  doing is that the USBC and standard I [TS]

  think it's the USB standard forget as [TS]

  something something to do with intel [TS]

  okay well then then I don't know why [TS]

  they wouldn't all have it right [TS]

  i-i-i it sounds like good update to me I [TS]

  i don't know i mean and suppose you know [TS]

  the whole thing is going to be thinner [TS]

  presumably one of the reasons they're [TS]

  getting rid of us ba is just because it [TS]

  by today's standards that's a big fat [TS]

  port i'm not saying that the device is [TS]

  actually on the device is obviously not [TS]

  going to be no matter how thin it is [TS]

  it's not going to be so thin that they [TS]

  couldn't put a USB a port in but i think [TS]

  it you know you could I think it's [TS]

  probably going to be thin enough for us [TS]

  ba would look ugly [TS]

  yeah and you know we all know that most [TS]

  important thing when you buy computers [TS]

  making sure that the port's look nice [TS]

  vga is gonna be a vga port there will be [TS]

  a dongle for be too big and I've always [TS]

  been a little rice the vga port I've [TS]

  even used it I have you know i still use [TS]

  some standalone camera so I you know I [TS]

  have SD cards and i have used it you [TS]

  know the SD to SD slot on my macbook pro [TS]

  on occasion I've always thought it was a [TS]

  little surprising that Apple put an SD [TS]

  card slot in the mac book pro [TS]

  just because and it's then you know and [TS]

  I'd I would presume that they could do [TS]

  it on the new one by you know it's [TS]

  certainly a pretty thin little slot it [TS]

  just seems like a non-apple like thing [TS]

  to do though it seems to me like if you [TS]

  want to use a card you know they they [TS]

  want you to be punished by having to use [TS]

  a dongle and i say that i'm being a [TS]

  little facetious but it's just add on [TS]

  Apple's you know really takes the [TS]

  minimalism on these ports to an extreme [TS]

  and adding it SD card slot built-in it's [TS]

  sort of unusual for Apple yeah yeah [TS]

  still on the imac to yeah i use that to [TS]

  I've already said that's my favorite [TS]

  game to play on the imac is plugin yeah [TS]

  well that's the thing yeah and we know [TS]

  on the back of the device that becomes [TS]

  very difficult i've gotten very good at [TS]

  it i've gotten very good at sitting at [TS]

  my desk not being able to see get an SD [TS]

  card list into the into this last night [TS]

  I can't even plug USB he's in the back [TS]

  of mine i tweeted that and a bunch of [TS]

  people I hadn't thought about this [TS]

  because I never owned one of the side [TS]

  loading imax you know before they got [TS]

  the real thin sides that slot was on the [TS]

  side which is in theory the SD card was [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  oh really ok and i miss that they also [TS]

  had CD slots over there though and so [TS]

  apparent a real cop common problem it [TS]

  was a Perry I mean I you wouldn't [TS]

  believe how many organs that he's like [TS]

  yeah that's it everybody played along [TS]

  with my idea that this was a great game [TS]

  and they're like it gets home and it's a [TS]

  good way to lose all of your lives you [TS]

  just tuck it in and the second you let [TS]

  go of it and like you know forget it all [TS]

  the way in you realize what you've done [TS]

  that's terrible and then you got to fish [TS]

  it out ya better had better to have it [TS]

  on the back so yeah macbook pro and and [TS]

  then everything else is just up and hear [TS]

  me [TS]

  yeah so there is there's rumors of a new [TS]

  13-inch model and this is to me where [TS]

  we're being you are in our pundit points [TS]

  because the data macbook pros a little [TS]

  self explanatory but what is this [TS]

  13-inch macbook pro some people are [TS]

  calling it a macbook air [TS]

  in chi kuo of KGI securities or rivers [TS]

  company's called the analyst who gets [TS]

  gets a lot wrong actually [TS]

  philip elmer-dewitt as an interesting [TS]

  scorecard for his like three years of [TS]

  predictions but his iphone stuff is [TS]

  usually spot on [TS]

  yeah usually he gets wrong that the [TS]

  timing right it's not that great on [TS]

  timing any and he's like everybody you [TS]

  know he's really is that not an apple [TS]

  analyst so much as an appellation supply [TS]

  chain analyst like his sources are very [TS]

  clearly it's almost transparent that is [TS]

  sources are from the agent supply chain [TS]

  so he doesn't get things like product [TS]

  marketing because the agent supply chain [TS]

  doesn't know that stuff like that like [TS]

  what's the name of the device going to [TS]

  be they don't know that until the last [TS]

  minute and they start printing it you [TS]

  know on the devices and a string of [TS]

  pricing and stuff like that nobody knows [TS]

  pricing is like the top held secret that [TS]

  Apple like there's only you know bro [TS]

  very seldom leaks because i don't think [TS]

  it ever really leaves you know it from [TS]

  in between like shoulders group and tim [TS]

  cook you know and then [TS]

  well surely jeff williams but you know [TS]

  it's like a top people type thing right [TS]

  and i was making the webpage so he could [TS]

  he's been calling it a macbook air for a [TS]

  while a new 13-inch or maybe he's been [TS]

  calling a macbook I don't know but the [TS]

  idea that they would make a 13-inch [TS]

  macbook like the 12-inch MacBook makes [TS]

  no sense to me like 30 no i don't [TS]

  understand that either I you need like [TS]

  two inches to have a separation that [TS]

  will make sense Lena like oh yeah i can [TS]

  see this 13-inch is sort of like a [TS]

  regular size and 15 inches big and this [TS]

  oh and this 11 inches tiny 12 and 13 or [TS]

  way too close to each other so that [TS]

  doesn't make any sense to me [TS]

  plus it doesn't seem like I mean it [TS]

  seems like it's a little early to to [TS]

  bring out a new macbook right because [TS]

  the current ones only came out i think [TS]

  in April right right right so if your [TS]

  loads so then the speculation is that [TS]

  it's an error right and you know some [TS]

  people have speculated nobody seems to [TS]

  be willing to commit not not in chi [TS]

  quote not German nobody is saying well [TS]

  what kind of display this thing has [TS]

  which is inconspicuous to me because it [TS]

  would like so they're just not [TS]

  mentioning it meaning does it have a [TS]

  Retina display which is certainly what [TS]

  people who are hoping for a retina [TS]

  macbook air hoping for if it doesn't [TS]

  have a Retina display is the display [TS]

  improved at all versus the existing [TS]

  macbook airs because there's things i [TS]

  think like I don't think they're I [TS]

  forget there's certain technical things [TS]

  even if it doesn't go right now that [TS]

  could be improved in the macbook air [TS]

  display like I think like IPS and stuff [TS]

  like that [TS]

  ok I don't know nobody knows that's why [TS]

  it's exciting [TS]

  the idea i guess is that if it needs [TS]

  that I'm a little surprised that they're [TS]

  updating at all [TS]

  I've been under the assumption that the [TS]

  macbook air is only hanging around to [TS]

  occupy price points like a trait that [TS]

  899 that the 11-inch started a 999 13 [TS]

  and started at and that there's no other [TS]

  reason for those devices to exist and so [TS]

  that Apple's would just keep selling the [TS]

  old ones as long as keep people keep [TS]

  buying them exactly like the there's [TS]

  still that old macbook pro that has a [TS]

  spinning CD drive that apple sells they [TS]

  don't really advertise it they don't [TS]

  have it out in the apple stores but if [TS]

  you go online you can still buy it that [TS]

  has a CD drive even I think so let me [TS]

  check the port definitely has definitely [TS]

  has a spinning hardly has any hard drive [TS]

  maybe it doesn't mean i think it's just [TS]

  a spinning hard right doesn't doesn't no [TS]

  it does not have a CD drive all right [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  yeah don't have a floppy drive was just [TS]

  behind as if it's got its got swappable [TS]

  bit is but you can take the zip right [TS]

  you can take the zip right about now and [TS]

  putting jazz drive-in is that what hours [TS]

  yeah yeah I got one of those upstairs [TS]

  jazz drive now i don't know i don't have [TS]

  the right idea i have an old our pal gym [TS]

  rank gave me is all done and what is it [TS]

  it's a it's a wall street [TS]

  what was it called powerbook yeah with [TS]

  the put the thing you could pop out i [TS]

  think i just wish that one hand that [TS]

  anyway it's a really old have a really [TS]

  old powerbook upstairs [TS]

  well anyway Apple still sells had some [TS]

  sort of ancient macbook pro that I can't [TS]

  even remember the details of that is [TS]

  only there because people keep buying it [TS]

  yeah i mean i would i would think that [TS]

  now is the time just to be going all [TS]

  retina and they would sweep away that [TS]

  one and then the air but these rumors [TS]

  seem to indicate maybe not [TS]

  there we go it's at the bottom of the [TS]

  macbook pro paige and i lost 1099 [TS]

  dollars right so it is a as a 500 [TS]

  gigabyte 5400 RPM hard drive so that's [TS]

  what i was thinkin of ya i guess it's [TS]

  like some of these apple products seemed [TS]

  to me like products from the past like I [TS]

  don't I can't imagine like I splurged [TS]

  when i bought the item that is my imac [TS]

  is almost two years old now but that was [TS]

  the last device i've bought where I was [TS]

  maybe possibly even thinking vaguely I [TS]

  might still get a spinning hard drive I [TS]

  thought maybe about because it the [TS]

  upgrade to get like a full one terabyte [TS]

  SSD was seriously expensive but of [TS]

  course i love to spend money so i just [TS]

  got it but it was the last time I even [TS]

  hesitated for a second and thought maybe [TS]

  i should just get the diffusion drive so [TS]

  I you know and I realized as i bought [TS]

  this imac that it will be the last that [TS]

  whatever the previous I back i bought [TS]

  was the last you know I'm never going to [TS]

  buy a spinning hard disk [TS]

  yeah in Thai inside of mac again yeah [TS]

  maybe on external drive you know just [TS]

  for backup or whatever but not inside [TS]

  and I don't think I've ever by person I [TS]

  would never buy another device without a [TS]

  retina screen [TS]

  mhm but yeah and so that's the end [TS]

  that's the other thing that's did the [TS]

  hard drive I would think that now would [TS]

  be a also a good time they probably all [TS]

  this they probably want to because it [TS]

  seems like it's too ubiquitous across [TS]

  several different product lines but to [TS]

  get rid of some dates some [TS]

  soon they need to get rid of the [TS]

  spinning drives fusions not bad fusion [TS]

  works fine but the solely spinning [TS]

  drives or I would never buy one night so [TS]

  the conundrum i see i thought that maybe [TS]

  the air would just stay as it is with it [TS]

  screaming non retina displays and just [TS]

  sit at those price points until the [TS]

  retina macbook could be sold for like [TS]

  999 and then they would just get rid of [TS]

  that there's would just suddenly [TS]

  disappear and be maybe a at whatever [TS]

  point in the future this happens a year [TS]

  old retina macbook that sells it 999 or [TS]

  899 even a newer retina macbook with [TS]

  better specs that sells at 1299 or 1399 [TS]

  you know that's what I expected but it's [TS]

  you know based on these rumors it seems [TS]

  as though the air might be sticking [TS]

  around but yeah then is it going to be [TS]

  called a rep macbook air [TS]

  I don't know yeah the macbook starts of [TS]

  1,300 bucks so it'll still a little [TS]

  pricey too and I'm not doesn't seem like [TS]

  doesn't seem like they would they could [TS]

  drop just so merrily take three hundred [TS]

  dollars off right now and it only came [TS]

  out in April so that you just wait you [TS]

  know six months later it's a we highly [TS]

  unusual for Apple to drop a product by [TS]

  thirty percent price so yeah whatever it [TS]

  is it's about the commander sent it just [TS]

  doesn't seem possible but then what [TS]

  price would this macbook be this is the [TS]

  problem I see is if it's a retina [TS]

  macbook air [TS]

  what price does it start at because if [TS]

  it starts at nine ninety-nine that seems [TS]

  like a great deal and it doesn't seem [TS]

  preposterous given that there are [TS]

  competing products from other companies [TS]

  you know that have roughly the similar [TS]

  specs like I think like let's just say [TS]

  like a microsoft surface which has you [TS]

  know I think roughly air quality you [TS]

  know the cpu from Intel and has a Retina [TS]

  screen and it's you know as a starting [TS]

  price under a thousand dollars so it's [TS]

  not it's not like I'm you know again you [TS]

  whenever your own show we all would [TS]

  often play let's spend Tim Cook's money [TS]

  we're not just saying let's make it 99 [TS]

  you know because worst we're not based [TS]

  on reality it seems like based on on [TS]

  other [TS]

  laptops from other companies that you [TS]

  could do a Retina screen on a 999 device [TS]

  yeah but if they did that who buys you [TS]

  know what that meant to me that makes [TS]

  the the regular macbook at 1299 look too [TS]

  expensive whoo yeah it sure does [TS]

  especially since it's slower and I [TS]

  realized it slower because it to be that [TS]

  thin it has a fanless design and so it's [TS]

  got like this entirely different uses an [TS]

  entirely different chipset from Intel [TS]

  that is designed so that it could run [TS]

  and fanless Lee and never overheat and [TS]

  the air uses like this mid-range chip [TS]

  chip set that is low power compared to [TS]

  like the pros but not so low power that [TS]

  it doesn't need a fan [TS]

  yeah i don't know i mean they yeah they [TS]

  have spent I mean there's been a number [TS]

  of years where they've their entry [TS]

  laptop was 99 right and somewhere was [TS]

  even more than that I think but that was [TS]

  a long time ago [TS]

  yeah and they are in an era where it's [TS]

  increasingly hard to sell computers so [TS]

  moving your starting price point up a [TS]

  hundred bucks [TS]

  mm I don't know if that's good i mean [TS]

  that's not going to be great if you want [TS]

  to move units and there's a compounded [TS]

  with this is another rumor about [TS]

  Thursday's update to the mac line that [TS]

  the 11-inch air is going to just quote [TS]

  go away [TS]

  yeah I wouldn't be surprised if no I [TS]

  wouldn't either if it did if it vanished [TS]

  but I also wouldn't be surprised if it [TS]

  sort of goes the way of that [TS]

  13-inch ancient macbook pro that we were [TS]

  talking about where it goes away in [TS]

  terms of it it really is never going to [TS]

  be updated again not even like a minor [TS]

  spectra fresh but that they'll keep [TS]

  selling it as is and not even really [TS]

  promote it but it's there [TS]

  you can go into every budget yeah maybe [TS]

  the justifier even drop the price to 799 [TS]

  or something [TS]

  yeah that would be really kind of [TS]

  amazing cuz I don't think they've ever [TS]

  but I don't think they've ever been that [TS]

  well no I think 899 is the lowest apples [TS]

  ever so yeah man [TS]

  for and that's you know that's been the [TS]

  11-inch air for a while laptop [TS]

  Yeah right right not counting something [TS]

  incomplete like the mac mini yeah like a [TS]

  complete blacktop system that you can [TS]

  just open the box and use em think it's [TS]

  not missing you know has no ram it has [TS]

  no ramp at all for gags a lot it doesn't [TS]

  have a battery kind of like it in [TS]

  everywhere you go and plug in an [TS]

  external art do you remember do every [TS]

  years ago there was a rumor about a [TS]

  crank powered man and i have left out [TS]

  that no I don't think side like the one [TS]

  has lab animals like with that after [TS]

  after jobs and come back and I think [TS]

  after the imac had been introduced [TS]

  there were these rumors coming around [TS]

  about the ibook and what it was going to [TS]

  be and and wanna influence like one of [TS]

  the crazier rumor sites was that it was [TS]

  it was going to be it was going to crank [TS]

  and what a boon that would be to people [TS]

  because you know for all those instances [TS]

  where you're running shine like if [TS]

  you're camping such comments of area [TS]

  right right and you need to use your [TS]

  laptop you can just crank power it so i [TS]

  know that there are build to order [TS]

  options I can make these prices higher [TS]

  but right now looking at the bio macbook [TS]

  air page there's two 11-inch error [TS]

  standard configs 899 and then you up two [TS]

  hundred dollars to 1099 and you get [TS]

  double the storage you go from 128 256 [TS]

  and doesn't look like you can doesn't [TS]

  look like you get anything else that's [TS]

  about the only difference and then [TS]

  there's a 13-inch macbook air that [TS]

  starts at nine ninety-two that's weird [TS]

  and one that's a two hundred dollars [TS]

  higher 1199 call it twelve hundred [TS]

  dollars and I think the only difference [TS]

  there is double the storage from 128 [TS]

  flash 256 yeah and it's weird to me that [TS]

  the 13-inch comes in eight games of [TS]

  comes with a case of memory in the 11th [TS]

  is not right i don't know i guess he had [TS]

  selected though can you [TS]

  you can configure yeah you can tell you [TS]

  can figure out you can see you get up it [TS]

  and you can see significantly upgrade [TS]

  the cpu you can go from a 1.6 core i5 to [TS]

  a 2.2 core i7 yeah and I don't stay up [TS]

  to date on all that stuff anymore but I [TS]

  mean I know enough about the basic just [TS]

  that going from core i5 core i7 is [TS]

  pretty significant perform yes upgrade [TS]

  right but they're not the standard [TS]

  configs and I feel like the standard [TS]

  configs really matter but what I'm [TS]

  guessing if i had to guess what Apple is [TS]

  going to do is I'm thinking that the [TS]

  entry-level 13-inch macbook air will [TS]

  still not have a Retina screen and I [TS]

  guess if that's true that they're [TS]

  getting rid of the 11 maybe it the [TS]

  13-inch macbook air will now start at [TS]

  eight ninety-nine but that it's a non [TS]

  retina screen and that if you want to [TS]

  get right now you're going to have to [TS]

  pay at least like 1,200 bucks yeah and [TS]

  then but it still seems weird to me that [TS]

  you could pay like around 1,200 bucks to [TS]

  get a 13-inch macbook air with all these [TS]

  ports and then there's the 12 inch [TS]

  retina macbook at this [TS]

  thirteen hundred dollar starting price [TS]

  like it just seems weird to me that [TS]

  there that they're doing a new retina [TS]

  macbook air [TS]

  the other thing i could see is that they [TS]

  upgrade is the other thing I can see is [TS]

  they upgrade the 13-inch macbook air to [TS]

  whatever the latest core i7 whatever [TS]

  mobile chipset is from Intel but they [TS]

  don't even really talked about it on [TS]

  thursday they just upgrade it on the [TS]

  website and it still doesn't have a [TS]

  Retina screen and anybody who wants to [TS]

  bitch about the fact that it doesn't [TS]

  ever at the screen you know by different [TS]

  by a different look [TS]

  mhm yeah that seems to make the most [TS]

  sense to me because that can imagine i'm [TS]

  going to take the trouble putting a [TS]

  retina into the air this point right and [TS]

  I feel like you can argue well there's [TS]

  other come you know the argument that [TS]

  hey like the microsoft surface has a [TS]

  retina caliber screen and it's only 999 [TS]

  dollars or whatever and [TS]

  you know Dell makes these things with [TS]

  you know whatever they call read the [TS]

  screens and they're cheap and it's like [TS]

  you know apples never competed at the [TS]

  low end on price and if anybody gets the [TS]

  short end of the stick from Apple it's [TS]

  absolutely the people who are more [TS]

  budget-conscious that's just the way the [TS]

  company is yeah you know it's the [TS]

  company is optimized in my opinion for [TS]

  people who are looking for the best [TS]

  products not not the lowest price [TS]

  products [TS]

  yeah because the other thing too is in [TS]

  addition to the just the fact that the [TS]

  regular retina macbook is relatively [TS]

  know it's clearly what Apple thinks the [TS]

  future of laptops are there's also just [TS]

  the simple fact that they gave it the [TS]

  name macbook or hate it's like it yeah [TS]

  it's not like we're reading interests [TS]

  it's not like it's hard to read into [TS]

  that that by calling it just plain [TS]

  macbook with no adjectives that Apple is [TS]

  saying you know maybe not now but soon [TS]

  this is the standard this is what you [TS]

  this is what the standard apple laptop [TS]

  is yeah and it really is weird to have [TS]

  one's called air that are thicker and [TS]

  heavier like it makes no sense [TS]

  well yeah that mean that's just seems to [TS]

  be wide it's obvious that it seemed [TS]

  obvious at least that it was going away [TS]

  right so it seems very strange that [TS]

  there's these rumors that it's standing [TS]

  around I mean the other thing is they [TS]

  did it wouldn't be the first time that [TS]

  they have updated a model that's only [TS]

  been out for like six months because [TS]

  they did it with the ipad yeah they did [TS]

  that with the ipad 33 right and any ipad [TS]

  for came out like six months later [TS]

  because i have three was sort of sort of [TS]

  thicker you know it was the first [TS]

  retinol i believe right yeah I could see [TS]

  it you know and again with the pc stuff [TS]

  it seems you know that I don't think [TS]

  that they're anywhere near as [TS]

  constrained you know a component wise as [TS]

  they are with especially the iphone but [TS]

  probably the ipad 2 where they kind of [TS]

  need to get their ducks in a row and has [TS]

  a look we're going to have you know 70 [TS]

  million of these system-on-a-chip for [TS]

  the next year for all these iphone 7 and [TS]

  are all going to be exactly the same [TS]

  like I don't I think with the macbook it [TS]

  you know it's not anywhere near is you [TS]

  know we need to be making the exact same [TS]

  device for an entire year just to break [TS]

  even on the on the manufacturer [TS]

  mhm a lot but i would like to see which [TS]

  is probably not going to happen though [TS]

  is it is an 11-inch macbook air 13-inch [TS]

  macbook like I kind of want to the fact [TS]

  that they've the fact that they've done [TS]

  a 12-inch now though that doesn't seem [TS]

  like that's gonna happen [TS]

  yeah and i'm not sure how the I've never [TS]

  actually put like the 12-inch next to [TS]

  the 11-inch macbook air and just seen [TS]

  how they compare because i think that [TS]

  the display does kind of go more edge to [TS]

  edge on the macbook like footprint wise [TS]

  they might be very similar [TS]

  yeah i think they are so I kind of feel [TS]

  I mean it seems like I mean I you know [TS]

  I've only played with one a few times [TS]

  but it does not seem demands probably [TS]

  larger than the 11 chair [TS]

  yeah let's see what the text back so [TS]

  yeah we can find that out so it is 11 [TS]

  inches the macbook is 11 inches wide and [TS]

  7.74 deep all right at the 11-inch [TS]

  macbook air is 11.8 inches wide and 7.5 [TS]

  six inches deep so on dad yet it's [TS]

  almost the same but it is right it is a [TS]

  eight tenths of an inch narrower the but [TS]

  that the 12-inch MacBook is narrower oh [TS]

  you're right [TS]

  yes for the other way around I'm an [TS]

  idiot now yeah it was it but it's been [TS]

  traumatic but it's only for smaller [TS]

  right well but it's deeper right yeah [TS]

  but just by a little bit right so maybe [TS]

  with that design maybe what it would be [TS]

  would be a 14-inch you know maybe 12 12 [TS]

  inch and 14 and 14 i can see that and [TS]

  then it may be the mirrors are wrong [TS]

  calling it third rage calling 13 because [TS]

  maybe it's one of those things where [TS]

  it's like I don't know 13-point [TS]

  something and apples just going to get [TS]

  close enough to 14 that Apple is going [TS]

  to call it 14 yeah I could [TS]

  as a way to square this circle as well [TS]

  if the truth is that there is no update [TS]

  to the macbook air and what they're [TS]

  going to do is unavailable big brother [TS]

  to the 12 inch retina macbook i can see [TS]

  that maybe even have a second USBC port [TS]

  yeah and then you have a laptop set 12 [TS]

  13 14 15 [TS]

  yeah that kind of makes some sense and [TS]

  suppose although i don't know if it [TS]

  makes sense for the consumer ones to cut [TS]

  quote-unquote have larger displays than [TS]

  the pro ones I don't know [TS]

  well I think some people some people [TS]

  seem to like that 13 inch air [TS]

  I've always been and always liked the [TS]

  smaller one but you know people who just [TS]

  want more screen real estate right for [TS]

  people who don't see the wealth i used [TS]

  an 11-inch for years and many years at [TS]

  least five years for 5 years four years [TS]

  i think and loved it but my thinking at [TS]

  the time was if you're going to go small [TS]

  and then go small and thin as you can [TS]

  and get light so i got a maxed-out [TS]

  performance-wise 11 chair and then when [TS]

  i switch to a 13-inch macbook pro two [TS]

  years ago it was on the basis of if I'm [TS]

  gonna carry something thicker and [TS]

  heavier i might as well get the the pro [TS]

  and get the performance rather than the [TS]

  13-inch air [TS]

  yeah yeah and I mean that I'm in that [TS]

  quandary right now because my so my air [TS]

  is forward years old and then my my imac [TS]

  upstairs have two machines upstairs [TS]

  let's do it used for a sort of media [TS]

  server things one is a 2010 macbook pro [TS]

  and then the other one is a 2007 imac [TS]

  and those are definitely definitely [TS]

  showing their age so I'm kind of liking [TS]

  that that space where I was like am I [TS]

  going to buy another like the low-end [TS]

  laptop just to carry around and do [TS]

  writing with or am I gonna split the [TS]

  differentiating and get together get the [TS]

  pro and do whatever power stuff i need [TS]

  to do on that well any other thing too [TS]

  is that by all accounts the pro I mean [TS]

  of course the pros getting thinner [TS]

  because that's what Apple does as they [TS]

  make stuff thinner [TS]

  read the when they finally got you know [TS]

  the current models when they are the [TS]

  world's first ones that you don't even [TS]

  have the option of getting a spinning [TS]

  hard disk in because they're actually [TS]

  too thin you have to use SSD the new [TS]

  ones are going to be even thinner so [TS]

  they're getting as thin as the air is [TS]

  used to be even if they're not [TS]

  wedge-shaped I mean they're getting [TS]

  there certainly approaching that like [TS]

  that so the air is getting squeezed out [TS]

  to me in almost every way imaginable [TS]

  it's getting squeezed out on thinnest by [TS]

  the pros it's getting squeezed out on [TS]

  you know retina screen by the macbook [TS]

  the name macbook tells you that you know [TS]

  it's becoming the standard default [TS]

  laptop everything other than having a [TS]

  low price and if the whole point is to [TS]

  have a low price [TS]

  I don't see how it's going to get a read [TS]

  the screen just because it makes the [TS]

  other ones look bad but yeah what people [TS]

  i guess the other thing we're talking [TS]

  around is the fact that there are tens [TS]

  of thousands of people listening to this [TS]

  podcast right now who desperately want [TS]

  Apple to just make a macbook air with [TS]

  retina screen probably true [TS]

  right but I really don't think it's [TS]

  gonna happen it reminds me of the switch [TS]

  from the classic mac OS to Mac os10 in a [TS]

  way where what diehard mac users really [TS]

  wanted was a new version of the mac OS [TS]

  that was you know just had the the [TS]

  better [TS]

  Colonel just give us like a real [TS]

  operating system with you know [TS]

  pre-emptive are not pre-emptive [TS]

  multitasking with right you know real [TS]

  multitasking instead of cooperative or a [TS]

  pre-emptive is the good multitasking [TS]

  cooperative multitasking was that was [TS]

  the euphemism right this is not very [TS]

  cooperative [TS]

  I would call it that prisoners dilemma [TS]

  multi-way about right way I can like me [TS]

  IDC i could just use the whole cpu but I [TS]

  mr. ask voluntarily not too [TS]

  hmm but I on that users really wanted [TS]

  I'm going to jail [TS]

  all the accuser's really wanted was a [TS]

  new version of the mac OS that had a [TS]

  stable modern you know [TS]

  yeah I'm Peter sighs perspective [TS]

  operating system and instead we we gotta [TS]

  think we've got everything was different [TS]

  and a lot of stuff that used to be fast [TS]

  was suddenly very slow to make it fancy [TS]

  etcetera etcetera and I sort of feel [TS]

  like Apple is doing the same thing with [TS]

  the transition from the macbook air to [TS]

  the macbook which is that what what many [TS]

  people I hear from them every time I [TS]

  bring it up on during fireballer on this [TS]

  podcast i hear all the time i see it on [TS]

  Twitter all the time is people like the [TS]

  macbook air [TS]

  I or love the macbook air and only thing [TS]

  they don't like about it is the non [TS]

  retina screen and so why doesn't Apple [TS]

  just just put our retina screen in the [TS]

  macbook air and they'll just buy it but [TS]

  I don't think it's where Apple wants to [TS]

  take things [TS]

  yeah well we're gonna do all right what [TS]

  about what about what about other other [TS]

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  mattress would have been to buy him a [TS]

  dog Patrick no other max yeah so this is [TS]

  where everybody seems to be fuzzy is [TS]

  that what else are they going to [TS]

  announce so the mac pro is hasn't been [TS]

  updated said last update according to [TS]

  MacRumors was a July of 1998 was the [TS]

  last time that the mac pro was updated [TS]

  so it has been when it was when it was [TS]

  called DM the powermac 18 years [TS]

  encounter then it's unchanged in 18 [TS]

  years now that is unusually long for the [TS]

  mac pro so yeah that 1i i would say most [TS]

  people would agree that the mac pro is [TS]

  due for it up there was blue right it [TS]

  was the right one [TS]

  I there are no rumors of a nut mac pro [TS]

  update but the mac pro is famously it's [TS]

  it made in America are manufactured in [TS]

  America so it's a completely different [TS]

  supply chain so any you know and I I [TS]

  can't help but think that it was going [TS]

  to turn out like five little quarter [TS]

  network very busy very busy operate like [TS]

  the easiest job in it is this job means [TS]

  every company guy what a graduate of its [TS]

  fully stocked all of this all the [TS]

  soldering himself just worn grooves on [TS]

  the dasi from those feet go up every day [TS]

  okay he's all cut up on westworld [TS]

  imagine the phone rings Tim Cook what [TS]

  and the update [TS]

  oh no all the sudden it as the phone [TS]

  rings he hears like a truck backing up [TS]

  parts all over i would not be surprised [TS]

  i have absolutely no inside info nobody [TS]

  has said a damn word to me about any mac [TS]

  pro's I just common sense says to me [TS]

  that they've either got updated soon or [TS]

  they've got to just officially say you [TS]

  know not making anymore we're not making [TS]

  it any more [TS]

  yeah but it just seems on you it just [TS]

  seems like they need to have this device [TS]

  in my weights [TS]

  yeah although how many I mean the late [TS]

  yeah they don't probably don't sell that [TS]

  many they're crazy expensive and they [TS]

  come with their own quirks but that [TS]

  there's a great looking device but but i [TS]

  still think that they really want to own [TS]

  or not own i'm not saying that they own [TS]

  it so but they want to be known as the [TS]

  leading computer maker for the [TS]

  quote-unquote pro industry whether it's [TS]

  professional video people people who are [TS]

  you know [TS]

  editing movies people who are [TS]

  professional photographers who are [TS]

  working with you know 50 gigabyte raw [TS]

  files you know wherever you you know [TS]

  whatever the program developers of [TS]

  course you know i think even for their [TS]

  own use [TS]

  it's a useful device i mean the imac is [TS]

  pretty fast and has a nice display but [TS]

  you know it developing software is still [TS]

  one of those things where having of the [TS]

  fastest cpu possible can definitely make [TS]

  you know your daily day-to-day life [TS]

  better so I i don't think that they it [TS]

  just seems unusual for me and I don't [TS]

  think they need to ever touch the [TS]

  industrial design again remember i [TS]

  should say ever but you know that [TS]

  macbook a macpro that looks exactly like [TS]

  the black cylindrical thing that we know [TS]

  it just has a new GPU and cpu yeah and [TS]

  you know all these modern ports like us [TS]

  bc and asset receptor just seems like [TS]

  something Apple should sell so i [TS]

  wouldn't be surprised at all if they [TS]

  have it ready to go on thursday and we [TS]

  just haven't heard about it because they [TS]

  were able to keep it secret because it's [TS]

  not going through the agent supply June [TS]

  that looks like a sieve right yeah well [TS]

  i think i think would be nice [TS]

  I mean I hope they don't i don't know [TS]

  I'm not in the market for one problem [TS]

  never gonna be in the market for one but [TS]

  I i agree with that sentiment that it [TS]

  seems like the kind of thing that they [TS]

  should keep making is sort of a even if [TS]

  it's just like putting a flag in the [TS]

  ground [TS]

  I think there's some speculation that [TS]

  people who follow these intel chipsets [TS]

  you know that maybe the timing isn't [TS]

  really quite right for a new mac pro [TS]

  because like the last update to the z [TS]

  online of proteins and cpus was you know [TS]

  like may or something like that so you [TS]

  think that maybe if they were going to [TS]

  do it they would have done it in june [TS]

  and now they're sort of like only just a [TS]

  few months away from like the next one [TS]

  with called like gravy train or [TS]

  something like that I don't think apple [TS]

  is all that I i think at this point when [TS]

  they've gone this far between updates to [TS]

  Mac Pro's I i think if there's six [TS]

  months late on the latest xeon [TS]

  processors [TS]

  so what right i don't know yet there [TS]

  I don't know that they're looking at [TS]

  keeping the mac pro within a couple of [TS]

  weeks of the Intel cutting-edge yeah I [TS]

  don't know what do you think well I mean [TS]

  I i think if you [TS]

  it depends on what else you're [TS]

  announcing with it maybe in and if [TS]

  they're announcing it within with new [TS]

  monitors then maybe that becomes the [TS]

  bigger story than right whatever [TS]

  processors in a that's exactly where I [TS]

  was headed ton so maybe the reason that [TS]

  they haven't updated the mac pro in such [TS]

  an absurdly long time is that they [TS]

  really wanted the quote-unquote next Mac [TS]

  Pro to work with the next a apple cinema [TS]

  display appetizing sold at this place in [TS]

  June since they discontinued the [TS]

  non-retina whatever they called it in [TS]

  another conspicuous absence from the [TS]

  apple product lineup is a retina pro [TS]

  display whenever they want to call it [TS]

  you know cinema display 5k whatever but [TS]

  you know something like the big imac [TS]

  display with retina resolution and the [TS]

  the high color gamut range and a simple [TS]

  it just works just plug this thing into [TS]

  your mac and you know you don't have to [TS]

  worry about plugging two or three cables [TS]

  in because you need to graphics cards to [TS]

  knit stitch together or whatever just [TS]

  solve all the problems of the bandwidth [TS]

  of driving the 5k retina display you [TS]

  worry about apple just give me a simple [TS]

  thing to plug in so maybe they were [TS]

  waiting for that and maybe they bought [TS]

  previously that maybe they'd have [TS]

  something like that ready earlier but it [TS]

  all kind of needs to come together it [TS]

  seems to me like some of this stuff is a [TS]

  it all needs to come at once and that [TS]

  sort of has maybe been the main cause of [TS]

  this unusual dearth of mac updates [TS]

  hardware updates yeah that they kind of [TS]

  want to move to this world where there's [TS]

  USBC ports that do thunderbolt and that [TS]

  can be connected to a 5k cinema display [TS]

  but it all kind of needs to come at once [TS]

  maybe yeah so I can i yeah it seems like [TS]

  I mean that's kind of their thing right [TS]

  i mean they don't know where [TS]

  other companies are happy to introduce a [TS]

  technology and say hey now we have this [TS]

  ok we have you have that but it doesn't [TS]

  work with everything else [TS]

  Apple wants to make sure that everything [TS]

  works you know at least you know in [TS]

  general works better together and [TS]

  creates and and creates a story that [TS]

  makes that tries to make that whole [TS]

  package compelling alright so so I think [TS]

  there's definitely something to that [TS]

  argument it's also the case i know a ton [TS]

  of people who connect their macbook pros [TS]

  to a display at their desk and that they [TS]

  therefore you know that so that like at [TS]

  work you have a nice big display in [TS]

  front of you [TS]

  maybe two displays if you keep your [TS]

  macbook open on the side you could do it [TS]

  either way and then at the end of the [TS]

  day you can just disconnect the thing [TS]

  and take the macbook pro home with you [TS]

  and you just have the macbook pro i know [TS]

  tons of people who work like that [TS]

  I know that here and filling my friends [TS]

  and happy cog a great web development [TS]

  studio or web design studio they [TS]

  redesign the whole office around that [TS]

  concept they just everybody's desk all [TS]

  they have at their desk is a display and [TS]

  then everybody everybody gets a macbook [TS]

  pro and that's how everybody works you [TS]

  don't have to sit at the same spot every [TS]

  day you can just you know just walk up [TS]

  to any open display and plug it in and [TS]

  you get power and display nobody wants [TS]

  nobody wants designers don't want to [TS]

  work with non retina displays anymore [TS]

  I mean it actually is actually broken [TS]

  heart you you can't design retina [TS]

  graphics without a radio display I mean [TS]

  it's you know and developers you know I [TS]

  know that they were talking about an ATP [TS]

  this week we're akc list was talking [TS]

  about how he's trying to design the [TS]

  retina iphone apps on a non retina [TS]

  display and you end up doing you like to [TS]

  run the app on your phone and you [TS]

  realize there's all these graphics that [TS]

  are missing you can even see them on [TS]

  your display you know really it's it's [TS]

  you know it you can do it technically in [TS]

  the same way that you could you could do [TS]

  an illustration with your eyes closed [TS]

  right just just may not turn out right [TS]

  you don't have to wear your glasses yeah [TS]

  you just take a guess as to whether it's [TS]

  in focus and again they'll be they'll be [TS]

  crazy if they do come will be crazy [TS]

  expensive [TS]

  oh I well I don't know but I mean they [TS]

  think well I don't know their to the way [TS]

  to expend more it I mean I will I will [TS]

  not be my one but what does what does [TS]

  the retina 5k imax started let's see [TS]

  it's not like 1500 dogs and it was [TS]

  exactly was gonna say 1,500 books [TS]

  27-inch imac with retina 5k display [TS]

  well now it's a little bit more [TS]

  expensive that starts in two hundred [TS]

  dollars okay i would think that they [TS]

  could sell that display without the [TS]

  computer inside for I don't know maybe [TS]

  twelve hundred dollars i don't know I [TS]

  knew but the onions and apples of 27 [TS]

  inch display was 999 and it was kind of [TS]

  ridiculous about the end of its life [TS]

  that they were still readily hit 99 like [TS]

  that is part of what makes this [TS]

  laughable is I understand why Apple set [TS]

  a price and then keeps the price for the [TS]

  entire product lifetime as opposed to [TS]

  Del which sort of Dell's computers are [TS]

  sort of like the stock market where they [TS]

  get repriced everyday based on you know [TS]

  there are fluctuations [TS]

  it's true though it really is it's it's [TS]

  like you can come you know I mean you [TS]

  can configure the x-ray machine Adele [TS]

  like a week later and it's you know it's [TS]

  more like buying an airplane ticket like [TS]

  the paint anything about it and then [TS]

  lots of sales from other like-minded the [TS]

  time i bought my my kid up a pc laptop a [TS]

  few couple years ago for Christmas and [TS]

  and yeah like navigating that whole [TS]

  thing like well it's you know not only [TS]

  place this but this you know get this [TS]

  new coupon sale yeah okay great so I got [TS]

  you know I got what you know its do its [TS]

  it ostensibly the price was like 850 and [TS]

  i got it for 750 or something like that [TS]

  I mean it's like Apple would never do [TS]

  that [TS]

  you got a coupon and a Retina display [TS]

  type in this code the I don't know if I [TS]

  should tell the story and i guess i will [TS]

  take that was one of the worst things [TS]

  I've ever it at worst I ever felt about [TS]

  myself in my life I was in college and [TS]

  this middle of the day and there's [TS]

  africa i can think of [TS]

  actually forget forget the name of the [TS]

  student union even though i spent like [TS]

  12 10 hours a day in the building [TS]

  because it was where this school [TS]

  newspaper was and I was going in and out [TS]

  of the building for reasons that I no [TS]

  longer remember but it was some kind of [TS]

  task it was like first maybe like first [TS]

  day of a new semester and there was [TS]

  something me and another colleague from [TS]

  the student newspaper at drexel we're [TS]

  doing where it required us to keep going [TS]

  back in and out of the building middle [TS]

  of the afternoon [TS]

  nice sunny day and there's some kid also [TS]

  a college kid obviously be taking a job [TS]

  from somebody to hand out little some [TS]

  kind of flyer two kids coming in and we [TS]

  weren't coming in like every minute or [TS]

  so is maybe like every 20 minutes or so [TS]

  and every time we went by he would offer [TS]

  them to us as though we've never seen us [TS]

  again and then there's this moment of [TS]

  recognition and it's like oh you guys [TS]

  again and do it and after like the [TS]

  seventh time and he did it again any was [TS]

  almost apologetic he I said what are [TS]

  these coupons coupons and he said [TS]

  they're there coupons and I said well I [TS]

  only take coupons my friend who i was [TS]

  with almost died of laughter he said I [TS]

  can't believe that guy didn't just punch [TS]

  you and I was like you know you probably [TS]

  should of but because that is that was [TS]

  uncalled for it was not on call [TS]

  uncalled for it was not on call [TS]

  for anything at the time i was i amused [TS]

  myself to death with that but i'm i'm a [TS]

  changed man I've grown up I'd I no [TS]

  longer see this [TS]

  well i just i do see it is funny but I [TS]

  no longer see it as something that I [TS]

  would actually say yea it is definitely [TS]

  funny in think you know college I mean I [TS]

  yeah I mean well i'm not i'm not going [TS]

  over things that in Catholic but the [TS]

  funny thing i remember was that when I [TS]

  said it I didn't expect him to give me [TS]

  an answer I expected him when i said [TS]

  that the coupons coupons I expected him [TS]

  to give me the finger at that point here [TS]

  right [TS]

  he didn't even hesitate he didn't even [TS]

  hesitate he said their coupons i [TS]

  remember that he said there he said [TS]

  coupons coupons and I just all I only [TS]

  accept coupe [TS]

  I don't know what I don't know something [TS]

  about that I haven't thought about that [TS]

  so we're good yeah if that guy's [TS]

  listening you know Josh and also if [TS]

  you're free daring fireball teacher i [TS]

  started yet yeah I haven't thought about [TS]

  that story in 20 years so i just sent [TS]

  you a link this happened while we were [TS]

  recording apparently pictures of the of [TS]

  the the bar leaked in Sierra their of [TS]

  the retina macbook images of new macbook [TS]

  pro with magic toolbar leaked in mac OS [TS]

  Sierra 10-12 that one you know Apple [TS]

  includes Apple pay so there is a like a [TS]

  fingerprint sensor i also see that [TS]

  they've printed a macrumors logo on the [TS]

  return key and saw that I thought that [TS]

  must be them now they're doing some [TS]

  co-branding I guess [TS]

  hey this is the bank yeah this is got a [TS]

  dr phil schiller nuts [TS]

  oh my god yeah right here how did they [TS]

  do that I mean I where would I i guess [TS]

  this was in the help i guess for ten [TS]

  that time that one [TS]

  well I'll put everybody by the time they [TS]

  hear it will probably have seen it but I [TS]

  will yeah everyone's probably putting a [TS]

  link in the show notes we did you know [TS]

  that's nice that we talked about first [TS]

  is the way to go i have all could you do [TS]

  it like 15 minutes earlier because they [TS]

  yes they did nobody notice that I well [TS]

  that brings us that brings us to the [TS]

  next question I was going to have it [TS]

  which is that I didn't have it in the [TS]

  notes which is a what has been rumored [TS]

  and it does make some sort of you know [TS]

  simple sense that they were going to put [TS]

  touch ID on the new macbooks my question [TS]

  is where is it going to go like the just [TS]

  the basic idea of having touch ID on a [TS]

  macbook yeah sure that sounds it makes a [TS]

  lot of sense especially once you get [TS]

  used to it on a phone you realize how [TS]

  nice it is but where would it go on a on [TS]

  a macbook would it go on the trackpad [TS]

  let it go on like the jakey let it go [TS]

  and it looks like you know the answer is [TS]

  they're putting it up in this upper [TS]

  right corner of the magic toolbar [TS]

  yeah and my other thought is even if [TS]

  with this magic toolbar a would they put [TS]

  it in a corner or put it in the middle [TS]

  because it seems like by putting it in [TS]

  me is it going to be on both corners it [TS]

  doesn't seems like a waste of components [TS]

  to put two in but on the other hand too [TS]

  isn't it oddly bias towards right-handed [TS]

  users by putting in a proper right [TS]

  corner or am i over stand close i think [TS]

  maybe you're overthinking and I mean and [TS]

  you know unlocking with Matthew no [TS]

  unlocked i'm assuming that the computer [TS]

  locks with it too but unlocking and [TS]

  paying with my left index finger would [TS]

  be not really i want to receive either [TS]

  and i can write as a right-hander yeah [TS]

  but I put it but i would guess that it's [TS]

  it's um it's configurable because I mean [TS]

  that's the whole point of the thing [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah but the whole thing can't be a [TS]

  touch ID sensor right i mean yes [TS]

  poznan that's right on yeah it would [TS]

  seem unnecessarily I mean I guess it [TS]

  could be but it seems like that would be [TS]

  waiting for you to one in each corner [TS]

  but right now it just seems like a waste [TS]

  to that and i guess i guess the power [TS]

  button is always been on the upper right [TS]

  corner so you know seems like [TS]

  left-handed macbook users have been able [TS]

  to turn their computers on and on him [TS]

  for a while so maybe I'm overthinking [TS]

  that came over sensitive to my [TS]

  left-handed friends maybe and maybe they [TS]

  sell different models a left and a right [TS]

  like buying all the clothes are already [TS]

  there [TS]

  there are likely models that have mac [TS]

  rumors on the internet like particles [TS]

  and scissors you can buy a left hand and [TS]

  foot problem at the left or have to go [TS]

  to the left or even though you know what [TS]

  bothers me about this shot [TS]

  really it does and it's it's I'm showing [TS]

  my age and I got it just get used to it [TS]

  but I look at this there's a picture of [TS]

  its it's showing I guess it's from I get [TS]

  you said it's from the help of of how to [TS]

  use Apple pay somebody is making an [TS]

  apple pay purchase the touchscreen the [TS]

  little strip has a cancel button on the [TS]

  left then it says Apple pay and then [TS]

  something in red that I I can't read but [TS]

  i'm guessing it that's as touch here [TS]

  yeah touch your ID de Appel 904 course [TS]

  is going to 326 books right can you get [TS]

  from apple for three intrinsic then open [TS]

  and you can also see what's on the [TS]

  display [TS]

  yeah no no they're buying beats always [TS]

  headphones headphones you can also see [TS]

  what's on the display and they're using [TS]

  safari to buy something from apple.com [TS]

  what bothers me is that they're running [TS]

  it [TS]

  they're running this mac with the menu [TS]

  bar hidden yeah I really every bombers [TS]

  full fullscreen fullscreen mode bothers [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah I think you're going to enter [TS]

  you're going to say it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't mean the Apple paysheet look [TS]

  like it's um it's not connected at well [TS]

  it doesn't maybe maybe it's okay [TS]

  it almost looks like it's square it's [TS]

  not that the perspectives of the [TS]

  perspective is off [TS]

  yeah maybe like yeah so do [TS]

  so anyway I guess we're getting a touch [TS]

  in text rip mama glad we settled that [TS]

  yeah presumably if it is oled they're [TS]

  saying it macrumors is saying it as fact [TS]

  that it's an oled touch panel which you [TS]

  certainly can't tell from the image but [TS]

  it does make some sense that it's oled [TS]

  and not LCD because it's going to be [TS]

  black most of the time or the background [TS]

  is going to be black all the time and [TS]

  all that does much blacker blacks than [TS]

  LCD and it's like I think the colors are [TS]

  still messed up on oled but you [TS]

  certainly can't complain about the [TS]

  blacks this is then they also say a new [TS]

  macbook air models all day same rumor i [TS]

  guess yeah well there's that particular [TS]

  they say they say new imacs or [TS]

  possibility as well I think that I'm i [TS]

  think that's true it just because i [TS]

  think that the imac is still sort of the [TS]

  you know it's the the default desktop [TS]

  computer I mean it's obvious that the [TS]

  mac pro or the mac mini mac mini and [TS]

  updated in two years so why not you know [TS]

  it's been a year it was october last [TS]

  year why not just you know just do a [TS]

  silent or not silent but you know but [TS]

  you know just take the latest and [TS]

  greatest from intelligent and stick it [TS]

  in the gut [TS]

  I can't see why they wouldn't do that [TS]

  yeah yeah I don't know either [TS]

  I mean but I don't look not sure why [TS]

  they haven't updated the the mac pro in [TS]

  the mac mini for write several years [TS]

  alright so wrapping up i think that we [TS]

  will see the new mac pro's I think we [TS]

  don't know what the hell they're doing [TS]

  with this quote unquote 13-inch other [TS]

  model doesn't make any sense to us can't [TS]

  wait to find out about that one [TS]

  yeah I I don't know if I bet on new mac [TS]

  pros but because it seems to me like you [TS]

  could lose a lot of money over the last [TS]

  three years by betting on new macros but [TS]

  I would at least like to see new mac [TS]

  pros and it seems like maybe they if [TS]

  they've been waiting for retina display [TS]

  maybe the time is right and [TS]

  it if we can have one will see both well [TS]

  then does it seem like I mean it i'm not [TS]

  sure these just updating the laptop line [TS]

  doesn't sound like enough for an event [TS]

  doesn't I don't think so either [TS]

  I mean we can continue about after the [TS]

  sponsor break the major there's other [TS]

  stuff they could announce that the mac [TS]

  hardware but it does seem to me like if [TS]

  it was really just if the only thing [TS]

  that was really nunu like this is a new [TS]

  design new is the macbook pros [TS]

  I don't know that they would have an [TS]

  event right so i don't know i mean we [TS]

  certainly know everything you know [TS]

  Sierra is already out [TS]

  it's not like you know it's not like [TS]

  they have new operating system to show [TS]

  yeah I mean you know the only other [TS]

  thing that ok you want to what you're [TS]

  going to say like well do the air pods I [TS]

  mean the death they would announce their [TS]

  partnership shipping [TS]

  yeah but that's not just the first thing [TS]

  that takes time in an event for that I'm [TS]

  no guessing that that's when they're [TS]

  going to say that because they did say [TS]

  late October and this event will be on [TS]

  the twenty-seventh looking over so so [TS]

  I'm hopeful i hope we're going to see [TS]

  Mac Pro's we'll see i'm not going to bet [TS]

  the house on it [TS]

  I i would definitely not be surprised to [TS]

  see that we have updated imax that look [TS]

  exactly the same but just have updated [TS]

  components i mean there's no point to [TS]

  update it updating the the display right [TS]

  yeah i mean that displayed all right in [TS]

  that doesn't that doesn't make any sense [TS]

  right it's already got the high color [TS]

  gamut and all the pixels you want and [TS]

  then there's that I guess the only thing [TS]

  left is the mac mini which I don't think [TS]

  they're going to it i don't i don't know [TS]

  i know i think that might be like done [TS]

  you think that we really well I don't [TS]

  know or maybe it's sort of on a [TS]

  permanent three or four years schedule i [TS]

  don't know i just wouldn't be surprised [TS]

  if Vienna I did the event comes and goes [TS]

  and there's no news about the mac mini I [TS]

  just wish that they would just you know [TS]

  stickney processors in them i mean i do [TS]

  too don't you don't have to change it [TS]

  that much just put some new processors [TS]

  in it and then [TS]

  hey I know it's all it seems like that's [TS]

  not that hard in your hands kind of [TS]

  printing money doing it [TS]

  ended well Apple's a very small company [TS]

  i think that you know I don't know that [TS]

  they have it but butter with all that [TS]

  bandwidth you know the internal [TS]

  bandwidth the update update a computer [TS]

  that doesn't even a display or anything [TS]

  mhm i would like to see them update the [TS]

  mac mini i would like to see them keep [TS]

  it updated i think the mac mini is an [TS]

  interesting little device where yes [TS]

  in many cases it's just the lowest price [TS]

  apple official mac that you can buy [TS]

  without you know building your own [TS]

  hackintosh thing and it is just somebody [TS]

  trying to build the cheapest desktop Mac [TS]

  that they can get away with or you know [TS]

  and and you know sensibly reuse existing [TS]

  things like the display that they've [TS]

  already got that's pretty if you have a [TS]

  perfectly fine display you know that [TS]

  this is perfectly fine low-cost math but [TS]

  it's also a device and I'm sure that [TS]

  like you know people who listen to my [TS]

  podcast are among their where it's in [TS]

  some ways it kind of is a power user [TS]

  device because it's the sort of thing [TS]

  that people who would set up like a [TS]

  media server in their house would do [TS]

  right where it's not like your power [TS]

  user where you're spending a lot of [TS]

  money on it but where you're doing [TS]

  things that most typical consumers would [TS]

  never even think to do em right like you [TS]

  know you are build like your own you [TS]

  know people i know you know people who [TS]

  sort of rather than buy an Apple TV will [TS]

  you know by a mac mini and sort of you [TS]

  know select their own software that they [TS]

  can use to drive their home [TS]

  entertainment system [TS]

  yeah so that maybe they can watch movies [TS]

  that fell off a truck and stuff like [TS]

  that it's not there's certain things [TS]

  that you can do if you just have a pc [TS]

  that you control connected to your TV [TS]

  that you couldn't do so there are power [TS]

  user it use cases for the mac mini and I [TS]

  always you know I like to think of an [TS]

  apple as a company that makes things [TS]

  that people like that would like to buy [TS]

  so i would like to see it but I I'm not [TS]

  holding my breath for but maybe you know [TS]

  maybe just like in the one fell swoop [TS]

  now everything uses USB see you know [TS]

  maybe they update the mac mini to just [TS]

  to get us bc ports on [TS]

  yeah I wish they would like them to do [TS]

  that too I i would consider buying one [TS]

  I've never owned one well actually I [TS]

  mean I haven't [TS]

  old one that somebody gave me but um I [TS]

  never purchased one and i feel like i [TS]

  might be in the market for one like if I [TS]

  if I go to which I'm kind of leaning [TS]

  towards right now is getting a macbook [TS]

  pro again you know I just this is what [TS]

  the IP that imac upstairs in that meant [TS]

  that ancient macbook pro aren't gonna [TS]

  last long either so and I mostly just [TS]

  need the need a server like a media [TS]

  server and so I would definitely [TS]

  consider getting money for that [TS]

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  in the target audience for them i would [TS]

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  listen to podcasts then there are who [TS]

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  there's a higher percentage of talks [TS]

  your listeners who who listen to [TS]

  podcasts or who sleep on a mattress i [TS]

  think it's gotta be it's gotta be [TS]

  listened to listen to i pod can i think [TS]

  i think what could good security or what [TS]

  were you know your numbers are in Japan [TS]

  no i don't but it's nonzero thee right [TS]

  right right [TS]

  uh-huh it's nonzero so I think as much [TS]

  as I can throw the whole thing off [TS]

  god bless Casper I love them and I think [TS]

  it's a great fit because almost [TS]

  everybody sleeps on a mattress and needs [TS]

  a new and eventually audible i think [TS]

  might be the the greatest fit for the [TS]

  podcast audience of all time because by [TS]

  definition everybody everybody listens [TS]

  to audio I mean in theory somebody I [TS]

  don't have transcripts every week so I [TS]

  mean in theory somebody could rig [TS]

  something up where they're making their [TS]

  own transcripts of the show and reading [TS]

  them but I i would guess that that [TS]

  number is smaller than the number of [TS]

  people who don't have a mattress [TS]

  they do transcripts are your show for [TS]

  when you do a live one I do yeah well [TS]

  yeah well somebody does it did that does [TS]

  it was that uh uh uh yes this time [TS]

  yeah already called one typed it up in [TS]

  exchange for their being allowed to [TS]

  publish it which was a good deal you [TS]

  know i thought i was beyond deal and I [TS]

  also pay a video for closed captions for [TS]

  those so that the video has closed [TS]

  captions and I forget what it is coupled [TS]

  yeah I don't know yeah it's a real you [TS]

  know it's a good not it's you know like [TS]

  this it's not free but it was it seemed [TS]

  like a no-brainer in terms of [TS]

  accessibility of my Twitter bio is is [TS]

  actually from that transcript [TS]

  oh really yeah because here i can't [TS]

  remember what was said about me this [TS]

  last time but there was a mention of me [TS]

  and then they they typed in the serenity [TS]

  typed in the crowd reaction which was [TS]

  laughter and some cause that's my that's [TS]

  my twitter bio I think that context was [TS]

  losing my introduction I said last year [TS]

  we had Phil Schiller and and though it [TS]

  is there was the i think was less than [TS]

  charitable environment this you know the [TS]

  goal you know it would be nice to be [TS]

  able to top it but one of these years it [TS]

  we're going to run out of room to top it [TS]

  and you know it's just going to open an [TS]

  orange and it's going to be bolts this [TS]

  year is not that dear i think that was [TS]

  it i think that was pretty close to what [TS]

  i said he's nice enough i mean i was [TS]

  heartfelt [TS]

  I mean I meant it that someday they're [TS]

  gonna have to put up with me [TS]

  yeah and we're gonna have a good show [TS]

  yeah look forward to that i'm interested [TS]

  to know what I'm assuming that this [TS]

  magic what the hell is called matchstick [TS]

  what do they call it our magic toolbar [TS]

  to defaults to just function keys when [TS]

  there's no other thing presented [TS]

  anything else that's been deliberately [TS]

  programmed yes yeah yes because o in [TS]

  Williams a freaky where he works now [TS]

  he's jumped around a lot was pointing [TS]

  out there's no like if you look at this [TS]

  like there's no escape key like that's [TS]

  the one thing that you that's on the [TS]

  toolbar that you would probably use in a [TS]

  regular application and like I think [TS]

  it's like Minecraft like there's no [TS]

  escape key you can play the game but [TS]

  there must be in much must just default [TS]

  to what's normally there if it's not [TS]

  specifically is defined I even in my [TS]

  days it when I was tell me getting into [TS]

  things to do my computer science [TS]

  assignments in the nineties on unix [TS]

  machines I've always been a BB edit user [TS]

  but I had to know if you can't you can't [TS]

  go through the old terminal and not [TS]

  eventually learn either emacs for them [TS]

  to some degree and at them is [TS]

  effectively unused I mean I don't think [TS]

  apple is all that concerned about people [TS]

  using them in a terminal but it's it you [TS]

  you hit the Escape key roughly 27 [TS]

  hundred times admit it's like escape is [TS]

  how you do anything [TS]

  escape is like an orc amanda escapes [TS]

  switch modes it's it you know i just [TS]

  remember when somebody it pointed it out [TS]

  with the smart keyboard cover for the [TS]

  ipad that it doesn't have an escape key [TS]

  and somebody was like well how would you [TS]

  use them and it's like I got to do wish [TS]

  that they had put this guy use the [TS]

  escape key just did it get canceled [TS]

  things you know that yeah so I do wish [TS]

  they had an escape key but i don't know [TS]

  that it's I don't know that them users [TS]

  are on the front of apples on probably [TS]

  not just seemed headed for the mac [TS]

  though it seems it seems because at [TS]

  least with the ipad you could argue that [TS]

  there's no history of it because the [TS]

  software keyboard for the ipad doesn't [TS]

  have an escape either but it certainly [TS]

  seems unusual our friend Darth is [TS]

  already has an image up with the with [TS]

  the am with the magic tool bar and it's [TS]

  um it's like it's the time square you [TS]

  know message thing and it's just rolling [TS]

  rolling across courage [TS]

  alright i'll put a link to it [TS]

  they're OK is OK is quite funny i said [TS]

  this before it to me he's like the [TS]

  funniest like political cartoonist even [TS]

  going today and he was like all such but [TS]

  it's not they're not obviously not [TS]

  traditional political cartoons but they [TS]

  are political and they are funny and [TS]

  then you express comments the modern [TS]

  it's the modern equivalent right it's [TS]

  it's updated for the modern age carts [TS]

  tiny handed Trump photoshop like it when [TS]

  he does one for Trump it doesn't matter [TS]

  whether he mentions the hands or not he [TS]

  just always shooting system [TS]

  yeah and the funny part is is that Darth [TS]

  is also I he's I think he's really good [TS]

  at photoshop like you're at least he's [TS]

  good at what he does in Photoshop which [TS]

  isn't trying to fool you into thinking [TS]

  this is real but it's like it [TS]

  he- circle yeah yeah and I think he does [TS]

  with these things out in a minute or two [TS]

  I don't know he's crazy fast right he's [TS]

  crazy fast but they don't look like they [TS]

  would if i did it where you know clearly [TS]

  see where the lasso is to run around the [TS]

  hands like if I was doing it as quickly [TS]

  as he did you still see the marching [TS]

  ants around the selection i would just [TS]

  draw that and I think it's great shot [TS]

  what other stuff that Apple might [TS]

  announce this week like they could do [TS]

  like that something like their airport [TS]

  stuff is out of date would they tie that [TS]

  together with their you know home stereo [TS]

  speaker amazon echo type thing that's a [TS]

  good question i mean i've heard that [TS]

  thing is it is out there and and being [TS]

  field-tested I wasn't thinking that it [TS]

  was ready to go yet [TS]

  but I don't know but it seems like I [TS]

  don't either [TS]

  that would maybe help explain why [TS]

  they're having an event if there is [TS]

  something actually new to unveil right i [TS]

  mean the timing you know the timing [TS]

  right before the holidays would be good [TS]

  right if they actually are able to make [TS]

  it i mean how they kept it from leaking [TS]

  who knows but you know [TS]

  yeah that's a good question made in the [TS]

  USA [TS]

  I don't know probably got over that [TS]

  guy's been doing more than we thought I [TS]

  don't know but it's you know i would [TS]

  like to see it I don't know what else to [TS]

  say about it other than that it you know [TS]

  seems like maybe my understand my [TS]

  understanding was that it it was a not [TS]

  that long ago that people were given [TS]

  some units to try out so that doesn't [TS]

  seem like quite enough time like if they [TS]

  found like a real problem it doesn't [TS]

  seem like enough time to turn it around [TS]

  and do something I mean this seemed like [TS]

  like real alpha sort of stuff but I [TS]

  don't know but it sounds like you know [TS]

  even if it's a short event it seems like [TS]

  that might have room for something like [TS]

  that yeah I link to a thing [TS]

  have you seen this where there was like [TS]

  at the widespread internet outage this [TS]

  week you know I sort of slept right [TS]

  through it but me no huge parts of the [TS]

  internet are unavailable [TS]

  it was during the morning in the east [TS]

  and in some of the afternoon so yeah it [TS]

  seems as though wherever you know [TS]

  wherever during fireball is hosted seem [TS]

  to avoid x I didn't seem to get any [TS]

  complaints that people couldn't reach [TS]

  daring fireball but a whole bunch of [TS]

  whole bunch of big internet sites are [TS]

  unavailable because there is an attack [TS]

  on the DNS system and when dns goes down [TS]

  pretty much everything goes down and the [TS]

  gist of the attack which is interesting [TS]

  is that it was a bunch of like Internet [TS]

  of Things devices like like webcams and [TS]

  just internet-connected cameras and [TS]

  speakers and stuff like that made by [TS]

  these chinese companies that have all [TS]

  have like the same password the same [TS]

  password like look what I got not make [TS]

  making this attack up [TS]

  and added there's like a botnet that [TS]

  just just slowly but methodically search [TS]

  the internet for like it [TS]

  are you one of these cameras now are you [TS]

  one of these cameras are thousands and [TS]

  thousands and thousands of times but [TS]

  then eventually found a yes right noted [TS]

  the address and then kept going and then [TS]

  when they wanted to turn on the attack [TS]

  just told him all of these cameras to to [TS]

  do it you know distributed [TS]

  denial-of-service attack on dns servers [TS]

  anyway seems to me like a lot of these [TS]

  internet things of Things devices aren't [TS]

  all that secure or not and that maybe [TS]

  you know that I just link before the [TS]

  show started to it a two year or a year [TS]

  old story about the device makers [TS]

  complaining that Apple's home kit you [TS]

  know home kit was slow to make [TS]

  peripherals for because Apple has [TS]

  stringent security requirements [TS]

  hmm maybe that makes a lot more sense [TS]

  now don't all use the same password [TS]

  basket that's our stringent security [TS]

  requirement number one breaking and I [TS]

  mean i have i've got i know the only [TS]

  thing I've got is this one camera and I [TS]

  don't think it's one of those but it you [TS]

  know I don't even know how I would tell [TS]

  you come in your office and attacks you [TS]

  yes it was growling the other day but i [TS]

  don't think i think that was unrelated i [TS]

  don't know i don't have any other things [TS]

  to expect on this event [TS]

  ah yeah do you just not gonna be that [TS]

  big you know I think you know what you [TS]

  so yes so this is this is happening at [TS]

  the campus at the smaller yes it is that [TS]

  tell ya that will almost certainly be [TS]

  the last town hall event everything [TS]

  barring some kind of surprised emergency [TS]

  event sort of like the antenna gate or [TS]

  something like that i don't i don't see [TS]

  you know I'd they even said at the last [TS]

  one that this would probably that the [TS]

  last one was probably going to be the [TS]

  last town hall event so this one I think [TS]

  is almost certainly maybe they'll do you [TS]

  think that maybe they'll let us rip out [TS]

  the chairs [TS]

  they did that had no i think it was in [TS]

  Philadelphia is Veterans Stadium which [TS]

  is no longer there is a parking lot so [TS]

  built-in mic 1971 the bat as we called [TS]

  it lovingly was the home of the [TS]

  philadelphia eagles and the philadelphia [TS]

  phillies 4 I don't 20-some years you [TS]

  know we're growing up we had I only [TS]

  remember these came from but I now you [TS]

  mention that we had a couple of bleacher [TS]

  seats [TS]

  I mean I don't not bench seats but like [TS]

  wooden seats from something i'm thinking [TS]

  maybe the Jets yeah that's possible [TS]

  stadium [TS]

  yeah I'll bet before they built the [TS]

  meadowlands right right so they let i [TS]

  forget what I think was a phillies game [TS]

  was the last game in there is i forget [TS]

  it i actually forget if they were [TS]

  allowing fans to take the seats or if [TS]

  fans just did did it on our own like [TS]

  that but the guys working himself freely [TS]

  gave me with a ratchet set and just [TS]

  started taking the seat maybe they'll [TS]

  let us do that at town hall and take [TS]

  like a student here [TS]

  yeah taken recently we we not only do we [TS]

  use so we have those seats and then the [TS]

  other thing that we had were when they [TS]

  made the movie the natural [TS]

  in order to make it look like the the [TS]

  stands were fold they had these like [TS]

  like cardboard people that they put in [TS]

  and then they just like they'd [TS]

  interspersed real people here and there [TS]

  and make it look like a real crowd and [TS]

  so somehow i don't know how we got these [TS]

  but we had like cardboard people from [TS]

  that movie and they said we put them we [TS]

  put in those chairs for the meadowlands [TS]

  or whether from you know whatever was [TS]

  before the melons wouldn't because thats [TS]

  quiet know they had cardboard people for [TS]

  that i think is a common trick is it [TS]

  wasn't it isn't the story that in the [TS]

  medal ceremony in star wars that most of [TS]

  the people most of the rebels world [TS]

  where cardboard cutouts where they call [TS]

  it was a carburetor was it was at a [TS]

  mapping I don't know I don't know one or [TS]

  the other because that would have been a [TS]

  mapping but I couldn't tell you [TS]

  yeah that's pretty cool so I'm I'm maybe [TS]

  I should take a big suitcase with me [TS]

  yeah I should then it would W heart are [TS]

  carrying whenever funny trying to put a [TS]

  chair from down all into the x-ray [TS]

  machine and tried to convince they're [TS]

  trying to convince the flavors that you [TS]

  just just get the you know get the [TS]

  concierge people hella flores this will [TS]

  fit the overhead no problem they are [TS]

  they are small seats they might fit in [TS]

  the overhead [TS]

  well again I don't know how are they [TS]

  keeping them in there i assume they're [TS]

  keeping infinite loop and yes they are [TS]

  absolutely the internet loop camp there [TS]

  so they're so overflowing with employees [TS]

  and so need office space that i don't i [TS]

  don't even know how their eye they have [TS]

  a bunch of interim buildings in [TS]

  cupertino I mean I don't know how [TS]

  interment aaron is but i forget what the [TS]

  reason was i but i know i just know that [TS]

  there are Apple buildings in cupertino [TS]

  that all you would never even guess [TS]

  where Apple buildings it's not even [TS]

  because necessarily they're like secret [TS]

  like it's you know it's not like the [TS]

  project titan team or something like [TS]

  that just people working on stuff with [TS]

  that that there's no more room [TS]

  in infinite loop and the new campuses [TS]

  and open and so they're just you know [TS]

  anything [TS]

  you know I think if you own an office [TS]

  building in cupertino it's like salad [TS]

  days [TS]

  no I so I think my understanding is that [TS]

  infinite loop will remain fully occupied [TS]

  that something there are certainly some [TS]

  people they're moving to the new office [TS]

  or the new building but yeah they're [TS]

  gonna take up all the space [TS]

  well it seems like they might have used [TS]

  for Town Hall them yeah because I'm sure [TS]

  that you still have team meetings in [TS]

  there and stop fucking up so they might [TS]

  need the seeds i think they could have [TS]

  standing me try it just see what happens [TS]

  i don't even know why I want the seats [TS]

  there so they're very small and [TS]

  uncomfortable so I don't even know why I [TS]

  want 1i just like the idea of like me [TS]

  Jason snap i'll take them all right move [TS]

  sure that our report could probably get [TS]

  easily [TS]

  oh yeah Dalrymple yeah he probably got [TS]

  three already [TS]

  it's that's almost certainly broken that [TS]

  feel already breaking news we've got [TS]

  apples as we're recording the apples [TS]

  quarterly finally yeah that's right yeah [TS]

  forgot about that coming up [TS]

  I don't know that they had a business in [TS]

  I think they're doomed [TS]

  this just says doomed well that's it i'm [TS]

  just reading too many cooks remarks [TS]

  timko tantric Tim could not be more [TS]

  excited quote quote about iphone 7 7 [TS]

  plus demand which outstrip supply that's [TS]

  you know no numbers applied to that [TS]

  yeah yeah it's your iPhone's above [TS]

  estimates yeah looks like they're a [TS]

  little bit above but they're still down [TS]

  year-over-year 45 million but he added a [TS]

  a consensus was 43 million so they sold [TS]

  next r2 million mac sales for 4.9 [TS]

  million down from 5.7 but it's just like [TS]

  the whole reason that part of the reason [TS]

  that I'd was willing to record the show [TS]

  before this result says I didn't expect [TS]

  these results to be that exciting and [TS]

  part of it is just like we've just spent [TS]

  at 90 minutes talking about how every [TS]

  single mackinaw lineup is outdated any [TS]

  alright everybody you know so that [TS]

  they get shocked i don't think it's a [TS]

  sign of problems with the mac that sales [TS]

  are slightly down and it's almost [TS]

  shocking that they were they weren't [TS]

  down more [TS]

  yeah definitely he says that the Tim [TS]

  Cook says they're thrilled with the camp [TS]

  customer response to Apple watch series [TS]

  2 and iPhone 7 and 7 plus but why the [TS]

  other reason that this quarter is not [TS]

  that interesting is this quarter ended [TS]

  at the end of september's so the only [TS]

  iphone 7 sales that are even comp you [TS]

  know it counted are the like initial [TS]

  opening weekend sales [TS]

  yes so I don't think there's anything [TS]

  all that interesting here every selling [TS]

  price for the iphone is up but down for [TS]

  both the ipad on the mac he know I think [TS]

  that makes sense because it is that's [TS]

  what I think it makes sense because i [TS]

  think most of the people who are buying [TS]

  a mac or the people who are not gonna [TS]

  say uninformed but they don't even care [TS]

  you know about whether it's a year old [TS]

  chipset or something like that [TS]

  mhm I wouldn't be surprised I would [TS]

  expect that the average selling price of [TS]

  the mac is going to go up next time we [TS]

  hear from the man that there's a lot of [TS]

  people waiting here let me just take a [TS]

  break here it is a good time and thank [TS]

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  what else we got I got a google pixel oh [TS]

  yeah what about that a little bit have [TS]

  any questions what questions you have [TS]

  for me i've been using it for about well [TS]

  you were doing a little own Syrian [TS]

  assistant comparison for you I have been [TS]

  yes you wanna talk about that are you [TS]

  saving that for right now I slow out I [TS]

  no idea it's hard to do I don't know if [TS]

  I'm gonna do like a big massive [TS]

  comparison but i have to say like just [TS]

  keeping both devices with me and doing [TS]

  the same things on both devices [TS]

  I I I do admit i think that overall i [TS]

  think google assistant is a little bit [TS]

  ahead of Siri in some ways and and the [TS]

  main way that I think it's a head is [TS]

  just in the way that Google web search [TS]

  is the best web search that there's [TS]

  still ahead of being and you know [TS]

  DuckDuckGo and other search engines but [TS]

  just things that you expect to find [TS]

  through traditional google where you [TS]

  just type google.com in a browser and [TS]

  type of thing in a box and you expect to [TS]

  get the right answer from google google [TS]

  assistant can answer those type of [TS]

  things in general better than Cirie but [TS]

  for the things i actually asked from [TS]

  Siri and Google assistant I they're a [TS]

  lot closer than to me that the [TS]

  conventional wisdom would have you think [TS]

  that the conventional wisdom to me is [TS]

  that google is kicking ass in this area [TS]

  and that Apple is serious a piece of [TS]

  useless garbage right i'm not i'm not [TS]

  saying it sounds like hyperbole but I [TS]

  mean I see this all the time i see [TS]

  people writing this this just seems to [TS]

  be the assumption that a lot of people [TS]

  have and it just isn't backed up in real [TS]

  life i did an example on saturday i know [TS]

  that it was saturday and i was I [TS]

  couldn't remember i don't know if you [TS]

  noticed I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and I [TS]

  hadn't made in I had heard that I could [TS]

  remember when Dallas played again I was [TS]

  an honest question I was pretty sure and [TS]

  add but I asked both devices when does [TS]

  dallas play and I didn't say the Dallas [TS]

  Cowboys I just said Wednesday Alice play [TS]

  and I'm recalling correctly I google [TS]

  assistant gave me a like a a Dallas [TS]

  Cowboy score from two weeks ago which is [TS]

  not does it was not the answer to the [TS]

  question even though it and it shows you [TS]

  what it thinks that her dad heard me say [TS]

  when does dallas but Syria on the other [TS]

  hand I said Wednesday display said which [TS]

  team and offered me the the dallas [TS]

  mavericks dallas cowboys and whatever [TS]

  their ice hockey team is and I tapped [TS]

  dallas cowboys and then serie correctly [TS]

  told me the Dallas plays the [TS]

  Philadelphia Eagles next sunday at [TS]

  eight-thirty on sunday night football [TS]

  correct answer [TS]

  I mean and a lot of my examples that I [TS]

  find where serie works better than both [TS]

  Alexa and google now seem to be [TS]

  sports-based it seems like yeah I was [TS]

  gonna say it does seem like they they [TS]

  have to spend a bunch of time making [TS]

  sure that sports stuff works well yeah [TS]

  and part of it is that the I don't know [TS]

  part of it is Syrian what series says [TS]

  you and part of it is that they've apple [TS]

  has partnered with yahoo sports and [TS]

  yahoo sports seems to have not just good [TS]

  information but it seems to have it a [TS]

  structured in a way that Siri can really [TS]

  take advantage of it and you know so [TS]

  maybe I know my perspective as somebody [TS]

  who's relatively big sports fan is you [TS]

  know maybe better suited to series [TS]

  sports focus than people who aren't but [TS]

  i just think that the general idea that [TS]

  the google assistant is way way way [TS]

  ahead of Syria is just not true and any [TS]

  other thing that i just linked to the [TS]

  other day was a MK BHD marques Brownlee [TS]

  who does these amazing ya mutha ya know [TS]

  that he's like you know when i hear [TS]

  about people who are like professional [TS]

  youtubers and I see some of the videos [TS]

  and I cannot believe that this is a [TS]

  professional and then I see his and I'm [TS]

  like well he's like he was like born to [TS]

  be on TV [TS]

  yeah yeah and he does al the video work [TS]

  himself I've seen them doing it in the [TS]

  hands on areas at the apple event and [TS]

  it's amazing it's like he's a one-man [TS]

  studio it is absolutely amazing watching [TS]

  at work but anyway he had a comparison [TS]

  serie versus a google assistant and it [TS]

  was remarkable to me how many of them [TS]

  were exactly the same on both in [TS]

  response time and accuracy [TS]

  yeah and I thought you know and i think [TS]

  overall you surprised [TS]

  and you know what i found very [TS]

  interesting was i assumed that assistant [TS]

  was much better at the contextual [TS]

  questions where you asked one question [TS]

  you ask the following question that [TS]

  plays off that previous question I [TS]

  always ask i just assumed that the [TS]

  system would be much better and it [TS]

  actually i think it is better but um I [TS]

  was what i was really surprised that [TS]

  Siri on any of them at all right i just [TS]

  assumed that wouldn't that from question [TS]

  because I've never actually experienced [TS]

  about personally but I haven't tried it [TS]

  recently and everything it seemed like [TS]

  every time I tried it before it looks [TS]

  like it doesn't just like it's being hit [TS]

  on the head each time it doesn't [TS]

  remember what the previous question was [TS]

  right and what we're talking about would [TS]

  be sequences of queries like if you said [TS]

  hey what what is that [TS]

  hey dingus what's the Dallas Cowboys [TS]

  record and then after you get the answer [TS]

  then if you said when do they play next [TS]

  regular your query is when do they play [TS]

  next [TS]

  and you're assuming that the assistant [TS]

  can pick up that they means the team you [TS]

  just asked about 10 seconds ago [TS]

  mhm yeah i think it was he was talking [TS]

  about presidents or something like that [TS]

  and you know like how everybody was when [TS]

  was so-and-so born and how tall and then [TS]

  and then how tall is he [TS]

  who's the president united states oh [TS]

  yeah yeah alright you know and i think [TS]

  google assistant got that one right and [TS]

  Cirie did not likes it i think Cirie [TS]

  humorously I the google assistant said [TS]

  you know Barack Obama's six-foot-one [TS]

  inches tall and and serious gave him the [TS]

  height of the United States of America [TS]

  not perfect but there were some basic [TS]

  ones they like you know what's the [TS]

  weather where they that the exact same [TS]

  speed was always almost striking you'd [TS]

  almost think that they were hooked up to [TS]

  the same back-end given how how similar [TS]

  the response times where mhm an apple [TS]

  provided serie provided a little bit [TS]

  more [TS]

  like charts and graphs kind of stuff [TS]

  yeah and maybe that stuff comes from [TS]

  wolfram alpha I'm not sure [TS]

  yeah well there's one thing that mkbhd [TS]

  missed in his comparison and I wasn't [TS]

  fully aware of it either I kind of I I [TS]

  kind of knew this vaguely especially [TS]

  because i've been using their pods for [TS]

  the last month but then somebody on [TS]

  Twitter called it out i don't know who [TS]

  I'm sorry for not giving you credit but [TS]

  which is that Siri responds differently [TS]

  based on how you invoke it and so if you [TS]

  doing here Lee by voice with a hey [TS]

  dingus you get more back [TS]

  auto audio through audio then you do if [TS]

  you use the home button if you use the [TS]

  home button [TS]

  serie makes the assumption that you're [TS]

  ready to touch things so just for [TS]

  example my example for the other name i [TS]

  asked about when quote when does dallas [TS]

  play unquote it gave me a on-screen [TS]

  listing of which wich dallas and the [TS]

  three teams and I could tap it but if I [TS]

  was doing it through air pods it would [TS]

  be an audio prompt ok I wanted [TS]

  well we would just ask you like [TS]

  goodnight would name that I think so i [TS]

  could try it and get back get pregnant [TS]

  but you don't do it right now but i [TS]

  think i've seen that to where I have [TS]

  another at least one other Amy in my [TS]

  context and so it's like if i say text [TS]

  amy blah blah blah [TS]

  if I'm doing it through the air pods i [TS]

  can i can answer just audio audio only [TS]

  that I want to you know bring my wife [TS]

  not the other one [TS]

  yeah so that's an interesting difference [TS]

  but it's just i i really do think that [TS]

  the conventional wisdom on that we're [TS]

  serious stands compared to the [TS]

  state-of-the-art is way off [TS]

  it may be behind I wouldn't i probably [TS]

  wouldn't dispute that overall but it's [TS]

  so multivariate in so many different [TS]

  areas and they're clearly some areas [TS]

  where Syria is actually a head that I'd [TS]

  i do think that they're all in the same [TS]

  ballpark at this point yeah yeah i think [TS]

  i mean i know and i don't have a device [TS]

  currently that what we'll do that [TS]

  assistant so I haven't played around [TS]

  with it in a long time and you know I'm [TS]

  just relying out what everybody says it [TS]

  but it sure really is like conventional [TS]

  wisdom that it google is so much far [TS]

  ahead and it does not seem to be really [TS]

  that far ahead [TS]

  yeah I would almost say that if anything [TS]

  the conventional wisdom isn't so much [TS]

  under estimating serious overestimating [TS]

  google assistant em and again for like [TS]

  trivia questions it is a little better [TS]

  because it's just you know like it if [TS]

  you just treat it as a vocal input for [TS]

  the google search box but for a lot of [TS]

  contextual stuff it's not [TS]

  yeah and it doesn't know things like a I [TS]

  could never a current route couldn't [TS]

  figure how to take a screenshot on my [TS]

  pixel and asking Google assistant was [TS]

  absolutely no help [TS]

  yeah I really you know I'm not shocked [TS]

  that it wasn't to help but it does seem [TS]

  like if you're supposed to be able to [TS]

  talk to your device [TS]

  it seems like the device you know and [TS]

  eventually the it should be the case [TS]

  that you can if you're if you have a [TS]

  phone that has a bouquet assistant you [TS]

  should be able to say how do i take a [TS]

  screenshot and it should be able to tell [TS]

  you thinking yeah yeah yeah definitely [TS]

  that's it seems like thats that's [TS]

  exactly what it should get right because [TS]

  that's what they have complete control [TS]

  over all right i mean that kind of you [TS]

  know it's like you know spotlight for [TS]

  but by voice yeah the trick with taking [TS]

  a screenshot on the the android devices [TS]

  is that you press the power button and [TS]

  volume down but you have to press them [TS]

  at the same time maybe not quite it you [TS]

  know like the hundredth of a second same [TS]

  time but if you press one before the [TS]

  other it doesn't work like you press [TS]

  volume down even slightly before the [TS]

  power you immediately start changing the [TS]

  the volume and if you turn power and [TS]

  don't quite hit volume down within the [TS]

  very slips small fraction of a second it [TS]

  empowers you know brings up the you want [TS]

  to turn your phone off thing [TS]

  yeah i had i wasn't sure how to reboot [TS]

  the iphone 7 because it went Carandang [TS]

  both got theirs I hit that was setting [TS]

  this up restoring their their backups to [TS]

  their phones and at one point one of [TS]

  them froze and i had a foursome restart [TS]

  it and yeah it's now it's now it's the [TS]

  power doesn't know it's the now its [TS]

  volume button [TS]

  yeah in the power button yeah I think [TS]

  you hold down both human and power or [TS]

  something yeah and i think i ended up [TS]

  just doing it by accident because I was [TS]

  just trying everything is this i [TS]

  couldn't understand why it wasn't [TS]

  working when I was doing the home button [TS]

  in the and the power button [TS]

  what other you have any other pixel [TS]

  questions um I will say well yeah you [TS]

  know everybody seems to think that it [TS]

  looks I don't think it looks that great [TS]

  but how does it feel and real life it's [TS]

  I got the smaller 1i got the 5-inch one [TS]

  and I realized that FDI forget how many [TS]

  android phones i've had over the last [TS]

  few years but they've all been way too [TS]

  big for my taste and this is the nurse [TS]

  this is the first android phone i've [TS]

  ever purchased that is either not a [TS]

  piece of junk and not too big it's ok it [TS]

  is clearly a little bigger than the [TS]

  iphone 4.7 inch iphones I mean not just [TS]

  you know looking at it but it feels a [TS]

  little bigger it is a little wider which [TS]

  is the biggest difference but it's [TS]

  nowhere near as wide as an iphone 7 plus [TS]

  and so it's you know I could live with [TS]

  this is the size of my phone so I I [TS]

  appreciate that this that's the small [TS]

  one and it's bigger than the iphone 7 [TS]

  yeah it's exactly as much bigger as you [TS]

  would think given that this debt that [TS]

  display is five inches instead of 4.7 [TS]

  inches yeah and when you just look at it [TS]

  and you can kind of see that it has a [TS]

  chin and forehead of roughly the same [TS]

  proportions as an iphone you know just [TS]

  that basic you know the fact that [TS]

  looking at front on it clearly i don't [TS]

  even III could I think it's almost [TS]

  admirable that they're not denying it [TS]

  that it looks like an iphone it feels [TS]

  exactly as much bigger as you would [TS]

  think given that the displays a little [TS]

  bit yeah it is interesting that it that [TS]

  that's the stage [TS]

  that's what's going on in that market [TS]

  because we have some friends and [TS]

  in the her father recently bought his [TS]

  first iphone I'm after having android [TS]

  for years because he wanted you got the [TS]

  SEC because he wanted to smartphone and [TS]

  he could simply could not get one in the [TS]

  android market right now it's nowhere [TS]

  near sec sighs so there's yeah no yeah [TS]

  no clearly not a gaping hole in the [TS]

  android market at that size but yeah you [TS]

  know this is the tomb III think sony has [TS]

  had some phones roughly the size that [TS]

  are considered high end android phones [TS]

  but I've never used one [TS]

  so you know but what I find that really [TS]

  funny because that's always one of the [TS]

  things that people say the the advantage [TS]

  of the Android ecosystem is that you [TS]

  have so many different manufacturers [TS]

  that you're going to get a phone any [TS]

  kind of phone that you want and any kind [TS]

  of phone that you want as long as it's [TS]

  not a 4-inch screen right as long as its [TS]

  giant yeah right [TS]

  this thing's huge I don't know quite [TS]

  what that I you know I don't know I've [TS]

  always i think part of that is too is [TS]

  that they needed for battery life of the [TS]

  battery life is in general works on [TS]

  android then unless and ok i'm not quite [TS]

  sure though I will say battery life on [TS]

  this device is fine [TS]

  it seems exactly equivalent to the [TS]

  iphone 7 it with extended use well it's [TS]

  a little bit thicker one end right [TS]

  because it doesn't have a camera doesn't [TS]

  have a camera but it ended its like [TS]

  which shaped right I can't believe that [TS]

  nobody commented on this at the resort [TS]

  debate but where r activate the [TS]

  automatic product introduction where I [TS]

  was like if it doesn't have a camera [TS]

  bump but the it's thicker on one end and [TS]

  the other is it a web shape or is it [TS]

  like a step design where the glass part [TS]

  is thicker and the other part is thinner [TS]

  and there's a step in between any answer [TS]

  is it's a wedge shape a gent you know [TS]

  it's obviously not quite as wedge-shaped [TS]

  is like a macbook air right there is a [TS]

  wedge shape to it [TS]

  mhm I don't love that I mean people yeah [TS]

  well people were saying oh look there's [TS]

  no excuse nor camera bahaha and I [TS]

  thought well wait a minute there has to [TS]

  be you know you know I either people [TS]

  were wrong about the fact that there had [TS]

  to be a camera bump because of physics [TS]

  this or right or it has to be thicker [TS]

  one of the other it's up to you know I [TS]

  it's sort of an apple-like but I think [TS]

  camera bumps are on [TS]

  like I can't decide what would be more [TS]

  on Ethel I'm right right [TS]

  the camera bump or a wedge shape it does [TS]

  feel a little little on top heavy in my [TS]

  hand because it's thicker at the top [TS]

  than bottom but not yet much and even [TS]

  when I and maybe it's my imagination [TS]

  almost because when i balance it on my [TS]

  finger the balance point is only [TS]

  slightly towards the top instead of the [TS]

  Centrepointe yeah and the fact that it [TS]

  doesn't have a camera bump is nice i [TS]

  will say i mean i don't have a camera [TS]

  bumpy there but the touch ID sensor is [TS]

  extremely fast is it look good if it's [TS]

  not as fast as Apple's it's close to his [TS]

  fast it takes suspiciously shorter time [TS]

  to train an apple and i just reset and I [TS]

  find another iphone the other day and [TS]

  went through it again so the memory it's [TS]

  not it is fresh it definitely takes [TS]

  fewer lift lift and put it back down to [TS]

  get your finger registered with the [TS]

  pixel fingerprint sensor so either [TS]

  either they're actually training it a [TS]

  lot faster than apple or their their [TS]

  loser about right but I don't know I you [TS]

  know but I can certainly haven't had you [TS]

  know I've tried using other fingers and [TS]

  it never falsely unlocks the phone so it [TS]

  seems alright cameras good they have [TS]

  yeah so it seems like it seems like I [TS]

  mean some people were questioning I mean [TS]

  everybody seemed to think that it was [TS]

  you know at least as good as the iphone [TS]

  want it in some people maybe thought it [TS]

  was even better and then the other [TS]

  people were saying how can you say that [TS]

  look at this look at yellow this picture [TS]

  is and I was quick and see won't see any [TS]

  yellow with that picture of an order [TS]

  talking about you know I've taken some [TS]

  side-by-side I've gone out and sometimes [TS]

  in the daytime and and I had both phones [TS]

  with me and there was a theater around [TS]

  the corner from our house that that just [TS]

  got just blown up [TS]

  I guess didn't blow it up but they [TS]

  ripped it apart now it's a big hole in [TS]

  the ground which I for some reason find [TS]

  an interesting thing to take pictures of [TS]

  and they you know they both look very [TS]

  good to me I it is you know it sad you [TS]

  know I can't say that one is better than [TS]

  the other but they both look good every [TS]

  once in a while one will look a little [TS]

  better than the other i find that the [TS]

  pictures are way closer between the two [TS]

  than a lot of the examples I link to [TS]

  last week i linked [TS]

  a whole bunch of google pixel reviews [TS]

  and most of them had like side-by-side [TS]

  comparisons with the iphone 7 camera and [TS]

  some of them made the iphone 7 pictures [TS]

  look very washed out to me when I would [TS]

  just say the color it just seemed like [TS]

  they were much brighter like if somebody [TS]

  took a picture of a field of grass [TS]

  side-by-side that the pixel one look [TS]

  bright green and very nice and that the [TS]

  iphone one looked a little drab which [TS]

  doesn't match my experience with the [TS]

  iphone camera at all and I really makes [TS]

  me wonder whether what processing they [TS]

  were doing with the images to get them [TS]

  from here to there in my use [TS]

  side-by-side that the colors are very [TS]

  very similar between the two cameras [TS]

  I mean have a nice and I know what I'm [TS]

  not good i'm also definitely not am [TS]

  enough of a camera person to I mean like [TS]

  i've said this before but I feel like [TS]

  the camera topped out for me it at the [TS]

  the iphone for my favorite feature of [TS]

  the whole phone i think is that there's [TS]

  a system-wide shortcut where if you [TS]

  double tap the power button it puts you [TS]

  in camera mode [TS]

  no matter what you're doing so if the [TS]

  phone is often locked double tap it and [TS]

  you're in that quickly i just did it in [TS]

  you're in [TS]

  let's grab if you're using the phone [TS]

  like you're just reading your email and [TS]

  you want to take a picture of something [TS]

  quick double tap that button and you [TS]

  jump the camera mode and the camera mode [TS]

  does startup about as fast as you could [TS]

  reasonably expect ready to take a [TS]

  picture that's a really cool feature and [TS]

  I think on the iphone it's i I've just [TS]

  started getting used to the lift to [TS]

  whatever they call it anything raised to [TS]

  raise the way the front way [TS]

  yes and of my favorite aspect of raised [TS]

  to wake with the iphone 7 is you raised [TS]

  to wake and if you want to take a [TS]

  picture you just slide the the lock [TS]

  screen to the left and you're in the [TS]

  camera [TS]

  yeah and so I've really gotten used to [TS]

  that so when my phone right if I see [TS]

  something I want to take a picture of [TS]

  quickly i can take it out of my pocket [TS]

  raised awake almost always turns on when [TS]

  I take out my pocket and just start [TS]

  sliding to the left anywhere i don't [TS]

  have to aim for like a little camera [TS]

  icon in the corner anything anymore love [TS]

  that feature i actually think that [TS]

  that's probably a little better than the [TS]

  double tap the button that this pixel [TS]

  has but when you're actually already in [TS]

  the phone and unlocked i think that the [TS]

  pixel she has actually quicker [TS]

  yeah having something Universal niggas [TS]

  you get you can swipe up and then but [TS]

  that's not as quick as double-tapping no [TS]

  no and it's also fraud [TS]

  you know sometimes doesn't work right [TS]

  right double-tapping and I was always [TS]

  working remember which app it is but [TS]

  there's an app that I use [TS]

  oh it's actually notes i have a like if [TS]

  I'm in a note and now it seems to be [TS]

  working maybe and maybe because maybe i [TS]

  am maybe that got fixed in the most [TS]

  recent update but I was having a hell of [TS]

  a time [TS]

  invoking the control center thing [TS]

  whatever that thing is called the bomb [TS]

  and notes i did the thing where you can [TS]

  connect the pixel to your iphone through [TS]

  a cable and the initial setup and it'll [TS]

  slip over what it can and you know this [TS]

  I i put a slack that we're both members [TS]

  of but write it [TS]

  it's it makes the pixel look like a pc [TS]

  to know the iphone and you [TS]

  that's what the adapters the adapters [TS]

  like a USB a theme so the iphone will [TS]

  give you the do you trust this computer [TS]

  prompt that it's supposed to make sure [TS]

  you're not getting hacked you know so so [TS]

  is this just for pictures know it it [TS]

  will do all sorts of things including [TS]

  your SMS messages and my messages [TS]

  wow if well here's the there is a catch [TS]

  the catch is why you're going through [TS]

  the setup i have my my iphone backups [TS]

  encrypted I think they tell you that if [TS]

  you'd like to sleep over all that stuff [TS]

  you have to you have to connect your [TS]

  connect your iphone to itunes and turn [TS]

  off backup encryptions or encrypt your [TS]

  backups and then it will be able to do [TS]

  it otherwise it will only be able to get [TS]

  your pictures and maybe something at one [TS]

  or two other things I was like thanks [TS]

  but no no thanks i'm not going to I'm [TS]

  not that interested in it so i did to [TS]

  have it slip over all my pictures and it [TS]

  it didn't get them all [TS]

  I don't really know what the hell [TS]

  happened but part of it i think is the [TS]

  fact that [TS]

  got that obvious that is why i think [TS]

  what is the problem is i have i found [TS]

  iCloud photo library on so however many [TS]

  tens of thousands of photos i have my [TS]

  overall I cloud library they're not all [TS]

  on my iPhone so it only grabbed some of [TS]

  the ones that are actually present and [TS]

  then the worst part was [TS]

  then the worst part was [TS]

  it took 1590 of them and the day that I [TS]

  did this was October 20th and it gave [TS]

  all 1590 of my photos the date of [TS]

  october 20th 2016 yeah and most of them [TS]

  where I think what happened I haven't [TS]

  done like a full investigation but i [TS]

  think what happened is that these were [TS]

  images where they didn't have the date [TS]

  in the EXIF data that the date was only [TS]

  the file date the filesystem date my [TS]

  phone my iphone knows exactly what date [TS]

  they were picked by you know on my mac [TS]

  everywhere I've had these photos like [TS]

  they they were in my iPhoto library from [TS]

  back when I photo was a thing I've had [TS]

  these photos [TS]

  most of them were like 10 years old a [TS]

  lot of them were the images that from [TS]

  until like two thousand six or so I was [TS]

  I think about 2006 I still shot a lot of [TS]

  images on 35 millimeter film with it [TS]

  with an SLR and what i would do is when [TS]

  I got those photos developed [TS]

  I would have them skiing i would have [TS]

  the photo development place scan them to [TS]

  a CD and a lot of them were those images [TS]

  and I just think that they didn't put XF [TS]

  data and I think but the dates just came [TS]

  from the dates on the CD you know that [TS]

  files had dates they just weren't like [TS]

  official met anyway google gave me 1600 [TS]

  photos on that date and it was that that [TS]

  that was an Irish I i think i would have [TS]

  been better off I I don't know that to [TS]

  me that the upgrade from your phone is a [TS]

  little bit of a gimmick i don't know i [TS]

  think i would have been better off [TS]

  setting up fresh ok it took it took it [TS]

  from a backup or United you just have to [TS]

  connect your descendants turn off the [TS]

  option because it was probably the phone [TS]

  your iphone was thinking I I'm gonna [TS]

  give anything and encrypted backup [TS]

  yes exactly yeah right exactly so you [TS]

  have to yeah that's a I didn't know I [TS]

  never really thought about how that work [TS]

  but that's how it worked and I no [TS]

  interest in that I wasn't curious enough [TS]

  about how it work to do that yeah I [TS]

  didn't realize that anything else other [TS]

  than itunes could get your i'm gonna [TS]

  guess that makes sense if it's not [TS]

  encrypted but I mean right that I'm just [TS]

  never had any experience with that [TS]

  anything other than itunes getting stuff [TS]

  i mean obviously camera there's other [TS]

  camera snaps that can grab [TS]

  photos but i didn't know that like [TS]

  things like SMS messages were also [TS]

  possible what else finger poop [TS]

  fingerprint sensor on the back [TS]

  no good it is it's inconvenient as you [TS]

  would know I didn't do there's not a [TS]

  back [TS]

  yeah it's where the apple logo is on an [TS]

  iphone yeah it's you know it's not the [TS]

  worst but they do have to eat you [TS]

  you do have to fish around for it [TS]

  sometimes yeah and you can't I can't [TS]

  figure out why sometimes i can wake the [TS]

  phone by doing it and sometimes I can't [TS]

  I just is not as good as having the [TS]

  fingerprint sensor where Apple put it [TS]

  yeah now could be that I don't you know [TS]

  got a couple years of my phone [TS]

  experience and that's a little [TS]

  subjective but i don't think so what [TS]

  else material it's the aluminum is [TS]

  actually like more of a matte finish [TS]

  than apples it doesn't really feel as [TS]

  nice but I think it's less slippery so [TS]

  there's a practical advantage to it i [TS]

  think it's very cute i got the black one [TS]

  of course I think it's very strange that [TS]

  they named the color quite black like [TS]

  which is a very googly cutie thing when [TS]

  in fact it's not quite black at all in [TS]

  fact honest-to-god the better name for [TS]

  it would be not quite black because it's [TS]

  very very clearly just a dark gray and [TS]

  the display is black so we look at it [TS]

  especially in sunlight both on the front [TS]

  and the rear its it is definitely dark [TS]

  gray not black so it seems very funny to [TS]

  me that they named it quite black yeah [TS]

  maybe not quite black would be even [TS]

  funnier [TS]

  no I mean you know we'd be like a funny [TS]

  joke and more accurate [TS]

  I what else and other than that it's a [TS]

  very nice phone i do think that this [TS]

  oled display I've compared it the best [TS]

  comparison i think of is looking at [TS]

  Instagram and I look at the same photos [TS]

  on both phones on Instagram and [TS]

  especially in in kit to me in [TS]

  incandescent lighting meaning photos [TS]

  that are taken indoors [TS]

  at nighttime the I don't think it's it's [TS]

  not the camera because the these images [TS]

  are from Instagram it's the display it [TS]

  makes people look sort of yellowy it [TS]

  makes it the oled display to meet gets [TS]

  it's a very orangey yellow a color that [TS]

  looks on that doesn't look like to me [TS]

  what a room looks like in indoor [TS]

  lighting whereas the iphone does so I [TS]

  I'm still skeptical about oled as a [TS]

  replacement for lcds on on these devices [TS]

  and then last but not least i still [TS]

  really dislike android well i hope my [TS]

  pictures like look good on my magic [TS]

  toolbar and i kinda worried about that i [TS]

  will say this lie I would summarize it [TS]

  like this if I could run iOS on this [TS]

  device how I would not be as happy as i [TS]

  am with the iphone 7 but I this is the [TS]

  first android device i've ever used [TS]

  where I think I'd be fine and I wouldn't [TS]

  hate my life every day that I had to do [TS]

  if i could run iOS on this device it [TS]

  would be fine it is by far and away the [TS]

  nicest android phone i've ever used [TS]

  that's present I could you know i'd i [TS]

  would need the entire three-hour episode [TS]

  of the show to go through what i don't [TS]

  like about and right yeah well have a [TS]

  good time on thursday [TS]

  alright think of myself more macbooks [TS]

  for me i will try to get you a chair in [TS]

  the chair [TS]

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