170: ‘Kicking Dirt on Them While They’re on Fire’, With Special Guest Ben Thompson
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they're doing the like grinding like I
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it's like sanding or something and it's
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funny because i was so actually this
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podcast is going to have a different
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character than usual because as his
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listeners outdated vast usually when we
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record it's it's I would say morning but
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it's more like noon ish your time and
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it's like middle of the night my time
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and I am usually drinking scotch right
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now but now it is it is morning my time
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in an evening your time which means i'm
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drinking coffee and sparkling water so
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my character may be different but yes we
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also have to put up with environmental
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they've been doing it for a while now
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so I don't even didn't even occur to me
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until I said don't like oh crap ever had
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this stupid construction going on so
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many out that's a long-winded
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introduction to if there is weird
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grinding noises uh I I apologize because
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it's not me it's the construction I to
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drinking coffee in sparkling water
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no you're gonna be up all night and
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probably what I speaking of serenity
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called why'd I have some follow-up here
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forgot this last week I should've done
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last week
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serenity and I two episodes ago we're
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talking about my inability to I all I
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wanted to do it because i have a
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brand-new 256 gigabyte iphone and one of
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the things i wanted to do is just put
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all of my music on it because my music
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library is let's see if i can find it
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here less than 250 621 gigabyte i have
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4,000 songs 21 gigabyte so you know it's
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not that big but you know big butt but
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not not that big easily fits on 256
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gigabyte iphone and that way just put it
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all over there and then I never have to
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worry i get on an airplane
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I can be out in the sticks I can I could
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lose my sim card and I've got all my
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music and there's that could for the
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life of me couldn't figure out how to do
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it because i'm also using iCloud music
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library like if I will didn't use iCloud
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music library I
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could do it the old-fashioned way where
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I just plug it into my mac by the
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lightning cable and then you'd in itunes
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go over to music and say sync everything
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and then hit a button and you know wait
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for it to be done and then boom there's
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all my music you can't do that with
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likely if you have icloud me music
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library on when you go to music on your
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Mac when it's connected it just says
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you're using iCloud music library do it
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all that way and serenity who knows a
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lot more about this stuff than I do
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because she actually like we're gonna
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write all these like detailed how to she
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was stumped too anyway long story short
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the best way to do this and I've just
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I've so far I've got a bunch of people
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on Twitter Email whole bunch of people
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have given me the solution i'll put a
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link to it in the show notes it's but
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long story short the way you can do this
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the only workaround the best worker
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anybody can think of is you create a
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smart playlists that matches all music
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let's see what my criteria are groups
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started playing music here if I edit
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smart i tried to double-click a smart
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playlists to show the credentials here
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if media kind are no match match music
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for all of the following and I put size
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is less than 300 megabytes so any audio
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file any music file that's less than 300
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megabytes and it'll be matched by the
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playlist and I said 300 megabytes I
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don't even know why it's arbitrary
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arbitrary number but i have a couple of
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really big audio files that i do want to
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sink to the iphone like I have the
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area's been the criterion collection
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Tommy's . James Bond directors
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commentary
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no I have not Merlin man turned turned
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me on to these long time ago so when the
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long story short when the first laser
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discs of the criterion collection bond
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movies came out like the the
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the Connery arrow ones so you got like
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you know Goldfinger and dr. no and from
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russia with love the the commentaries
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weren't approved by eon productions and
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that's there's some really interesting
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stuff on them like the editor I forget
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his name but the guy who edited
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Goldfinger more or less through the
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director under the bus about some
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totally mismatched shots and camera
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angles that made it a disaster to put
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together and once you hear him saying
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you can see a hunt
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Peter Hunt exactly who went on to direct
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on her majesty's secret service which I
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thought was a terrible movie but some
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people love the fact that i was just
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thinking that but that's neither here
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nor there but but Peter Hunt really
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throws that was the I forget who
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directed that was it a guy hamilton who
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directed the Goldfinger i'm looking it
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up or maybe that was the first 1i
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royalty is didn't guy allen alright so
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you could always adopt him he throws him
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under the bus about some mismatch
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footage and it's that opening scene
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where where bond is at the fountainbleau
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down in Miami and Felix Leiter shows up
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and everything get started but shot the
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shot some of it outdoors at like a real
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outdoor resort and some of it on a
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soundstage and it was just a mismatch
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anyway once Eon Productions got you know
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you know they were like wow this is this
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is really some fascinating
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behind-the-scenes stuff when they listen
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to it they they made the criterion
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people pull it from like future editions
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so anyway I've got copies of these
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things as mp3 files they're almost
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almost 300 megabytes and so that's why i
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picked up but anyway long story short
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make a playlist smart playlists that
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will match all music then you go over to
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your phone and you can go to the
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playlist and then you can hit the cloud
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button for that playlist which was which
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means download all the songs on this
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playlist but since the playlist matches
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all of your songs
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it will download all of your songs but
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Apple seemingly goes way out of its way
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to deliberately make that something that
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you can't do like is when you go to the
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without going to playlist if you just go
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to all music there is no cloud button
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yeah well I guess the question is
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they deliberately go out of their way to
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make it difficult or is it just general
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the the general the moai's that is the
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case with itunes apple music I think in
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this case it's deliberate
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I think they want you to support
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admission or sin of omission yes I think
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it's sort of like you're supposed but
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it's very frustrating i think for people
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like I I don't know every single you
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every year when my wife gets a new
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iphone there's a time where I I catch an
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earful because she goes to the gym and
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her iphone doesn't have any music on it
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even though share last one did and then
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she did a full backup and restore and
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you know do everything you can to say
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make my new iphone just like my last one
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and then there isn't every year none of
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our music and she's you know like at the
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gym that she goes to there's no signal
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you know you can't it's not like you can
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download the stuff every year and I just
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don't have that I don't think it's that
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much to ask
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yeah the the whole it's interesting I
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haven't really thought about this a ton
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but you know I use I streaming services
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the various ones and it's funny because
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I actually have its really frustrating I
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i actually have a subscription to both
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Spotify and Apple music and the reason
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is that when i mentor thing we're
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harvesting a little bit when i'm bored
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him in the car
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well drive with the kids like I was like
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to request songs and so using Siri is is
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obviously preferable when you're driving
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and so it's worth it for that but then
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like my stereo has like Spotify connect
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which is which is really great like i
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can place of my phone or whatever
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interest in just playing on the stereo
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it's not like it's kind of color
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chromecast works where you control it
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but it's not like streaming like airplay
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which is it just it's a much better
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model works much better at least at
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least for me and now like the amazon has
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come out their service that will plan
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the echo we have we have an echo setup
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arm and was like 'well it boy that be
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convenient it doesn't Spotify as well so
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it works but yet this this whole like
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yes there's the allure of having all the
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music and having access to it but and
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there's like the upfront cost is much
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lower but the cost at the back end like
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actually playing your music there's all
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these sort of hidden costs that are
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there and it you don't
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I'm i'm ok i'm paying it for it now like
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quite literally but the it's really
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really it's funny the music industry is
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all about like yes they were of course
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they're motivated to have their music
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everywhere but they're reinforcing these
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silos with with a sort of new model I
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mean like if you have if you're not only
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all apple if you're not only all
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whatever service you're kind of stuck in
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the middle it is very frustrating
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yeah and i don't know i don't know how
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much of it is related to the fact that
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if you buy say a 32 gigabyte iphone you
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don't want your 20 gigabyte library sink
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over and yes they have the optimized
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storage feature for that for music and
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have it for the photos too but it
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certainly would be very easy for
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somebody with a 32-gigabyte device to to
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you know run up against the limit and so
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maybe that's why I don't know but it's
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yeah that's a good point they probably
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sell more of the of the the world across
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phone then if you look at the average
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selling prices that's it is waiting in
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that direction
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yeah and you know I i admit that i guess
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the idea of I want all of my entire
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music on my device all the time is sort
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of an old-fashioned I'm still thinking
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like it's the ipod hero but I i actually
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find it useful
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o Allah or at least every time I try
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every time I fly if I want to get it
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though it is i should do that now
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because I I mom might my eye I realized
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my big storage issue with phones and so
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I got this the first time you've gotten
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the absolute largest one I i think is 64
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previously and and it i bumped up
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against the limits or or this over the
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last year but my big culprit is his
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podcast i think my the overcast app was
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occupying like 16 gigabytes or something
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like that something ridiculous because
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all I call QA was that I want to listen
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to our recommendations and i'll just be
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sitting in there and who knows if Oliver
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lot and it's there's nothing more
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old-school itunes and ipod I got a so
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waterproofs uh ipod shuffles and they
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said waterproof headphones so that you
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over it's up it's amazing like it did I
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miserable enough but to be actually
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listen to podcasts whatever we're doing
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it is is great the problem is and it
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took me awhile to figure this out is is
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I what about your podcast on to the
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shuffle which is already a pain to have
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to go i used itunes and it's not synced
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there into the pool and and i can't i'm
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stuck on the first podcast and I can't
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go to the next one you get the next
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button on the ipod shuffle what would
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you expect to happen you think would go
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to the to the next track it doesn't it
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turns out that with the last ipod
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shuffle you have to use voiceover it
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turns out voiceover doesn't work very
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there's no Mike idiot you can there's a
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way around if I called down the
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voice-over button and then the next but
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in the next buttons work it
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but yeah anyways it's been it's been
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really eye-opening but beyond that just
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like having to use itunes again and
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actually sink stuff like manually manage
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things like you really appreciate this
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idea that i can subscribe to podcasts
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regular music and it's just there and
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you don't have to think about it to
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actually have like pre planned on going
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to listen to its it's like man we we
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live like savages for a long time huh a
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good segue to my next bit of follow-up
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now this is from last week's show I
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sort of like on a 10-day schedule but
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the previous episode when that Ben not
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bend your been at Matthew pants arena
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was on and we were talking about the
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airpot and about how the biggest minus
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the only significant the only serious
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minus about them to me is that they
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don't have the little buttons for play
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and up down for volume and because it's
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not so much the play/pause because they
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the the whole idea where you just take
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the one out and it pauses and you put it
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back in and it plays works really really
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well in almost every situation in fact
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in some situations it works even better
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than the button because for me a lot of
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the times it's like if I've got them on
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because i'm listening to something and
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i'm in a store like grocery shopping and
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then I get to the register i always like
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to take my headphones out or at least
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take one out so that I don't look like
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I'm listening to something and so to
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integrate the play/pause and the taking
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out of a of a of it you know one of the
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airport's it works great but what you
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what I miss is like the next track
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previous track like the shortcuts like
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by double-clicking they used to be able
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to do and I said that you can't use Siri
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to change the volume so when you double
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tap one of the air pods and say like
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turn the volume up or turn the volume
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down doesn't work you have to change the
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volume either from your Apple watch if
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you have one or by taking your getting
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to your phone and using the volume
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buttons on the phone turns out I was
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wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
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you can definitely change the volume by
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Cirie you can do next track previous
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track I I did it the one time I tried it
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i did try it and and I said turn the
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volume up and I was outside that which
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might have been the problem and serious
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said I'm sorry I can't do that John and
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I took that as meaning that she
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completely understood what i asked but
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was telling me that's I I can't do this
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and this is you know we might get back
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to this later about Syria it my fault it
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really is my laziness that but I
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interpreted that you know what I mean
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like it wasn't like she said sorry I
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didn't understand you
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she said I'm sorry I can't do that John
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and so I took it as meaning volume
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control is something that was outside
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the control of Syria turns out I was
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completely wrong a couple people have
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their pods correcting me on that now
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obviously this is not many people have
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their pods at the time but then I tried
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it again and it does work you could say
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volume up volume down
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turn the volume up turn the volume down
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next track go back a track previous
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I don't have a full list of it but you
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know there's synonyms that work like go
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back a track in previous track are the
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same thing those small world cup can you
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can you do like this get 15 seconds
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earth sort of thing I mean they like the
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the headphones if you would like I can i
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use overcast if you so Marc was it up if
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you double-click like it will skip 30
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seconds you can set the the whatever
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whatever length you want I I don't know
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I don't know what happens in overcast I
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suspect if I say next ride and try it I
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suspect if I said next track and
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overcast it would just go to the next
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podcast I don't think yeah this is
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interesting
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I don't think you couldn't do you know i
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mean i think i think with the clicker
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Marco could have could look into it in a
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way that I don't think Cirie would
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enable but I well now we just have to
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follow up all over the next one cast
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aside next week a couple of people then
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wrote and I don't think I don't think
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Matthew and I talked about it but a
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couple people said if you have like one
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of the pains in the butt if you do have
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the watch it's a little bit easier if
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you need if you don't want to use it
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serie to do it but you still have to
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bring up like if you're in a workout
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which is often the situation I'm in
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where I do want to adjust the volume
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like I'm out running and like it gets
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noisy like if I'm running through a
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noisier traffic neighborhood i want to
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turn the volume up because i can't hear
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any more on the watch you still have to
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poke around a little bit to get to a
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screen where you can adjust the volume
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like you that you you know the easiest
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way in my opinion is to just get to the
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now playing glance which I keep is the
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first glance so it's usually not you
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know it's like one tap tap on the
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sidebar then tap on now playing and then
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once you're on now playing you can
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actually change the volume by spinning
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the crown which is really really nice
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when your fingers are sweaty or
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something like that you have to poke at
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the little buttons on screen but it
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would be kind of nice if you could
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somehow set a preference so that if
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there's music playing right now three or
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either your phone or the watch that you
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could use the crown from like the watch
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face to change the volume because right
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now the crown on the watch face does
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nothing could be kind of nice if we
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could change the volume
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so when you when you spend the crown on
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the watch face it does it doesn't longer
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zoom into like that app you know
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ok and watch os3 it does nothing and it
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doesn't do they actually if you're on
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the app you it does Jim you back towards
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the watch face right but one you're on
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the watch face what he used to do in
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watch us to is it gave you the time time
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travel or whatever they called it may be
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well used to be that you would assume in
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yeah i do it was funny because I i I've
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observed people who are technical users
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and that was for sure one of the things
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that always gotten frustrated like I was
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actually my god . who was used to use
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wearing an Apple watch is asking about
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it you know how you liked it and he
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generally liked it but that was he like
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that the fact that he's like it keeps
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coming in and I don't know why like that
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was the one thing that was driving a map
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the wall so I didn't realize that they
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have changed i guess im so accustomed to
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not even touching it that that I didn't
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notice but I think in general I would I
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would be surprised if you know I clearly
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i think we were were definitely an
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agreement this like Apple there were
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some unfortunate decisions that were
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made about how to watch what should be
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used in version one I think they kind of
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they went too far down the road of
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prescribing how people would use it
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instead of waiting to understand how
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people wanted you know what actually use
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it and one of the casualties of that I
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think was the functionality of the
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buttons in general and so the acid
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awakened in version one pressing that
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button was like the whole contacts like
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personal communication crap whatever
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which is now completely gone but in
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general I think there's still that sort
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of it's not fully realize the potential
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those buttons like that but the button
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should be much more usable and I bet
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over time become even more usable in
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apps and same thing with the digital
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crown like what you're talking about
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makes perfect sense of music is playing
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why shouldn't that be volume and
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especially if they're gonna pursue this
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focus of being health and fitness wear a
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touchscreen that that's like the worst
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possible scenario for a touchscreen and
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it's an example of how the there they're
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kind of the health and fitness focus is
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a is was clearly not
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what they're thinking about from day one
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it was a part of it but it wasn't like
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the thing that is for I think there's
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things they would have done differently
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and and one of those things would have
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gone differently is how those buttons
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are used and so I would imagine in like
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watches for for example they're gonna
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move even more to those buttons being
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actual used in the crown being actually
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usable controls right now if you're in a
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workout you and you have you know the
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workout thing is on your you know on
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your better you see when you're you know
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because you're doing a walk or run or
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something when you spin the crown it
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just changes the focus from the
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different things on the screen like if
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I'm trying and I'm doing a fake run
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right now as I spin it down it goes from
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the elapsed time to the active calories
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to the Part B you know and just focus
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changes focus i would i would find it
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think having an understanding how people
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because people are taking like little
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the phone in particular Apple really
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took sort of the grass approach where
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they got the basics there they got a
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browser they got a phone they got ipod
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really you know that . where folks like
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you know Craig Hockenberry whatever
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building you know side-loaded
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applications i think was really valuable
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to to help Apple really understand what
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should go about you know opening up the
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API and what things might be possible
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and that's the exact opposite process
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they did with the watch like the watch
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that it was it was they did too much
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canvas to figure out what works and what
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of unwind what they did before and
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thatthat's just going to take time I
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don't know if that that story is
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apocryphal or not the story about the
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pads on campus but I remember it's great
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story though it's a great story and it's
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there's a truth to it because i remember
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late nineties there were definite dirt
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paths through grass you know that word
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they're obviously there forever that
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clearly they should have you remember
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when i first heard that story I thought
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specifically about certain areas if
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anybody went two directions then I don't
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know if they even called the campus at
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drexel has changed so much since i went
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there but we used to be you know we
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called it the quad the section off a
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market street there definitely was a
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mean it couldn't have been more exactly
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like that story like here's a plate you
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know you're supposed to walk all the way
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over there and go around this building
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and everybody just cut through right
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I can't think of two examples in Apple's
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history where the apples done that and
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but they're both like classic met you
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remember the classic mac OS you didn't
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use the mac back then did you
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I I do remember it i denied but
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goodnight and two things I can think of
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was a windows invention or you'd hit
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command tab and originally in command
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tab in Windows you would just cycle
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through apps in most recently used order
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users took to it but then we're we're
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really became a good interface was when
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they put up the heads-up display that
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showed you where you know all of your
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apps in most recent order so you could
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oh I need to go for to get 2x
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well you know right actually see it used
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to not have that heads-up display it
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would just switch through the apps you
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know and you'd find out what chapter
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you're getting to each time you hit tab
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and it became a thing where they were i
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don't know three or four competing
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third-party utilities for mac OS that
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did the exact same thing and everybody
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had one of them installed
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I mean it was the I i don't think i dont
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it was one of those things where I don't
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know anybody who didn't and eventually
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Apple acquiesced I don't know which
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version of mac OS it was but they added
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it as a as a system-level thing and I
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think they've delayed on it because I
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think there was a sort of reluctance to
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add anything that came to windows first
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to the mac it you have probably and any
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other like the other one I could think
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of was the old Apple menu used to just
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be a rich in the original mac OS the
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Apple menu had i think it's i think it
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has still had like about they had the
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about for like whatever happier in like
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about this app would be like the first
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item in the Apple menu and then the rest
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of it was just a list of your desk
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accessories which were like the little
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in this is for super old is like going
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back to the eighties back west which
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were the little love in das terms what
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they used to call them tossed a little
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in a way to get multitasking like little
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in-app with a resident in Resident I
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have no I I got nothing for you haha
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well I think of it but anyway desk
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accessories were little things that ran
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within the memory of dick app itself so
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that the calculator and the there was a
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thing called the scrapbook which is sort
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of like a clipboard history so you can
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keep like little snippets attacks and
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third-party utilities came up that made
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the Apple menu way more useful see that
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you could put like an alias to your hard
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drive in there so you can just go to the
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apple menu go down to your hard drive
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and get a hierarchical list of every
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folder you know so you wouldn't have to
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go to the finder and go to your hard
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drive and double-click on a folder and
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double-click on a folder and
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double-click you just go to your Apple
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menu go to your hard drive
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go to applications go to utilities and
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then launched that
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up from that folder that you wanted to
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or wherever you wanted to go but you
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instead of leaving a whole history of
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windows behind of each folder you want
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to you too it's just a hierarchical go
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list of menu and then event in everybody
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where everybody had one of these
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utilities and the one that I used was
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called now menus . it's really going
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back but eventually Apple added that to
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the system as well it was a gay if
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everybody's got this you should get it
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ought to be part of the system yet the
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only it's funny the only the two add-ons
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that I still depend on now is one is is
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from windows and it because when i use
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Windows I'd like there's shortcuts to
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manage to move your windows around so
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you can like snap your windows just one
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side of the one side of the desktop or
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to another or things like in do all
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kinds of things so once i have one of
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those on the mac and i use one called
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better snap tool but it that's amazing
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but that's super nice about Apple will
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ever had that but the other thing and
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it's funny because this is it for this
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is arguably the single thing that keeps
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me using a backhand serve like a of a
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Chromebook or or and I pottery thing is
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a clipboard manager it like it's
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unbelievable how often I use something
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like that and how much more powerful
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that makes that makes using using a
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computer but again I guess they buried
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to those are pretty nice that they
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already used all the taking up all the
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all the wall hanging fruit and which
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clipboard manager duties is one called
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copy and paste use lon
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yeah use launch bar but watch for had
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this weird bug where it would just it
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won't work after a while and they
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eventually fixed it after it was around
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for years and people complain about the
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kept saying was apple's fault like every
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other over the government have a problem
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but yes I used uh I don't remember why I
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got it I i mean i got it for when I
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would need a replacement most so there's
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a good review somewhere but I've see no
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reason to switch works well for me you
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get it keeps a bunch in there you can do
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stuff like if you if you've copied stuff
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you can paste as plain text super easily
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you can make everything all capitals or
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take away all the capitals like it it
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was like text transformation on stuff as
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well if you need so yeah but there's a
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bunch of them out there i think they're
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all pretty good
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the ones i've used our launch bars
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built-in one which I kind of don't like
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the display of but it is actually what
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i'm using right now
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keyboard maestro your keyboard maestro
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yeah I've heard of it I I i can if i
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tried it by boy i strode does so much
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stuff keyboard maestro is a great
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utility it's you could you make record
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macros that do all sorts of things
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really just sort of automated you know
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multi-step you can automate the whole
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GUI really but it also is sort of you
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can if you want to act as like
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TextExpander where you type you know
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TLA and it expands to three letter
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acronym or somethin like that and it has
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a clipboard history keyboard maestro his
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clipboard history is searchable which is
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actually kinda neat and keyboard my
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school's out
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that's the i would be awesome keyboard
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maestro has a heuristic that looks for
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things that look like a password and I
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only keep some as forget what else it
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does it for that if it's just a visual
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thing or if it if it only lets you copy
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you know actually paste it when it's the
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topmost thing but whatever it does it's
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actually never never want someone who
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did the wrong thing for me like the
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heuristic is so smart about it that it
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however it is that it works it's so
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smart about about identifying things
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that look like wow that looks like a
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week you know like at a password that
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that somebody would make up for that
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like a password utility would make up
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that doesn't get exposed and then one
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that's most recent which i've used by
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using beta but I it hasn't stuck with me
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is pay spot from the tweet but guys
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yeah I I the the searchable one it would
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be super valuable I think good because
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when i do the daily updates particular
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where those usually have more quotes and
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links then then my weekly articles do
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like I will accumulate the ton of weeks
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in the process of writing just one of
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them and yes sometimes particularly if I
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want to look something up like I write
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about something that i forgot excited of
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having like I will end up like well over
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a hundred times every single day after
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impressed i think that that is a first
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the mac right Pete but that might be
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that obviously sinks but i think that
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the reason why would Apple web apps like
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try to mimic like desktop apps but that
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makes them frustrating to use because
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you know doing something browser isn't
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as efficient or faster as good of a new
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user experiences using a native app
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use like I do all my writing a web app
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awesome but it's it's it's a web-like it
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embraces it being a web app and you
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gettin that's the case for all sorts of
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products like if you embrace the medium
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that you're on the user experience can
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be really great but if you're trying to
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like mimic one that's from somewhere
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else it's it's not not nearly as good
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anyhow that that is just sort of a
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random sort of observations and I would
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running I'm like you I'm very reluctant
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then and it's always seems like I've got
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even just restart the machine i still
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haven't updated my imac to Sierra so and
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that's where I record from so i have it
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on my phone and the phone has the new
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fancy new share this note with somebody
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max version doesn't so and then you had
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the idea to to use the iCloud web app
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which never even occurred to me because
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i never used
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I never use the iCloud web apps for
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anything other than find my iphone
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does try to mimic a desktop app but but
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it's it's not it doesn't look anything
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like the matter the mac version and it
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doesn't look like the ipad version
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either it's like this it it it does look
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like a desktop app but it doesn't look
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like a Mac one and it doesn't look like
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an iPad app yeah who knows what's going
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on and there's all that it's I don't
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understand anybody uses web apps and
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it's because it's like i tried to use
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the shortcut shift command H to make a
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text header which works in you know it's
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a keyboard shortcut i know from the
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desktop version of note but of course
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safari ate that keystroke and tried to
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take me home
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yeah but it was great it was smart
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université do you want to do you sure
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you want to do that because you've got
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unsaved changes in this text editing
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field i would much rather an app that
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just like written in the old 1999 HTML
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yea though the ones that I use like the
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their ones that like that they are
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they're pure web one there . they're
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there for the web like just unabashedly
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think is one of the reasons why google
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docs something especially it's gotten
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better now but you know was very
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frustrating visit kinda was trying to
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mimic a desktop interface
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I mean obviously doctors some amazing
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things particularly the collaboration
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stuff and all that but i think though
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the apps that i actually like using the
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web and like-for-like the writing one
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for example it's just like playing field
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and you get the benefit
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the web app where stuff saved instantly
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and and if anything happens like to your
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computer are you never lose data ever
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like it's to me it works very well but
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the the other thing that I do that I
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think makes it much more tolerable is
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you know speaking of mac utilities is
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fluid where you feel like a single-site
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browser and then you can make an icon so
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basically when I open like drivers and /
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or WordPress or MailChimp like the
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various you know web apps that I use
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frequently they all have their own
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they're like their own apps and you you
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click you make it in fluid and you click
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it and it opens up with its own icon in
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the dock and separate and so it's not
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buried in my hundreds of tabs like its
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own distinct entity and to me that
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that's that's another app I cannot live
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without like if I actually had to use
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web apps inside a browser like just I'm
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so disorganized in general would be
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would be intolerable but fluid-like
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makes it makes it feel like a normal app
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which is just a professional standpoint
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i have used fluid in the past for once
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or twice when I had to use a web app
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because it's sometimes you wanted to be
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a command tab target but it's it's not
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like a real at all it's terrible
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no I mean from a navigational standpoint
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I know your point where you can find it
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very easily and i can go to it but again
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but well I think when you get apps that
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are mimicking desktop apps in the wind
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and weather they feel awful but like it
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again just use like draft as an example
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like you open it up and you open an
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article and all it is is it's a blank
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page and you type and it's basically a
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text editor and it handles markdown and
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stuff like that so it i find it
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there's lots of benefits i find from
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being a web app including particularly
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the blanket state like I've never ever
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watched stuff that I've written ever
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because even if my computer with a crash
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or or something like that doesn't get
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corrupted it it's just is it's always
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there in to me it because it's it's not
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trying to do too much not try to put all
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these all these menu bars there and then
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in make it feel like its word but now
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it's on the web kinda like Google Docs
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does not all that sort of thing
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it's perfectly it's not it's more than
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tolerable it's it's it's downright
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enjoyable to use and those are the ones
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that that
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I really I really appreciate it i think
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i've been awhile then I know that for
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people of our generation losing data on
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your computer used to be like part of my
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part of life
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the outfit is just like you'd felt guess
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this is my lucky day right like you know
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your system would freeze up the app
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would just crash and vanish no apps and
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the old days did autosave you were stuck
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with the last time you ever hit command
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s and everybody had a horror tale I
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don't think it ever really happened to
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me in a catastrophic way but everybody
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knew somebody at least it wasn't like
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you had to know somebody who knew
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somebody whose brother you knew somebody
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who had happened to where they open up
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in a word or whatever they use hit
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command and started writing a paper got
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to the end and that's when you know
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maybe when they went to hit print the
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print driver crashed and because they'd
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never saved the whole thing was gone it
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was all your nightmares Fear available
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there was no like cash of of temporary
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save files there's no no matter how much
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of an expert you were computing there
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was absolutely nothing you could do and
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we just accepted that all well I guess I
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should hit hit command and I got weighed
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ourselves rather than others but that
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reason that was a common scenario was
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that that first command ass was sort of
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a pain in the ass because you have to
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pick a location and then pick a file
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name and subsequent command asses are
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always very easy because is nothing else
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to do you have already given it a
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location in a name and the command ask
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you just you know in the old days she
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did after wait you have to wait like a
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second or two for the actual file to
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write but it was nowhere near as much of
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a cognitive hurdle of that first command
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ass would you know you know the right
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interface i think this is one of those
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ways that the original mac team got
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wrong was in in those days if that's how
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it was going to be where there was no
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autosave when you hit command and
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instead of immediately giving you a new
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untitled window it should have
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immediately forced you to pick a
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location in a file name whatever
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something that before you get that
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window where you can start typing you
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should have had to pick a location
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filename
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why do that I think so one of the things
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that's great about iOS and there's
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another use web apps is the because iOS
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from the was from the ground up kind of
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designed that way and apps in general
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are always saving and are always
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thinking you know thinking what they
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have the cloud there's no I distinct
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sort of save process it's sort of
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integral 22 how they work so i have a
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lot of apps where I have a ir s version
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and then i have the web version on on my
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mac and i like those because they're
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always in sync constantly whereas ones
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that have a mac app and ones that have
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an iOS app the mac app that the sink is
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never like perfect every time like for
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me like it if I don't trust the sink
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that it's going to be synced up every
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single time like it almost like to me
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that's trumped like the user interface
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like of like using a native app which i
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do prefer native apps in general but if
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I don't have full confidence that it's
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going to be synced every single time i
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will put up with the with the web app
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just to have that that knowledge is
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always there occurs to me having it
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always available is key and I know that
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Apple you know tried to sort of rejigger
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engineers it's totally native it's just
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a simple control panel in the system
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preferences and there's no gimmick for
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ago that Amy's watch fell apart I did
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getting really bad at heart rate
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monitoring up its going to have heart
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guarantee it she's probably like three
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weeks three weeks the head of a me so
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that's what happened so what happened he
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has a 13 millimeter stainless steel
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just very early maybe even ordered like
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first and foremost a fitness tracker for
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she was it when she works out she wears
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blames me for everything that goes wrong
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with every Apple
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credit for things and you know like some
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you have more energy and you you know
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you you know an hour doing the same
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exercise maybe you do burn more calories
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every single day and usually used to be
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seemingly extra credit for her calories
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something was flaky and then the other
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day about a week ago and then she woke
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the charger and then the whole back just
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stuck to the magnetic charger
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yea even mention that so after my wife
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you you you talked about that she was
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complaining of the same thing about the
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tractor working so he took the charger
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times attaching and detaching think it
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would pop off it hasn't popped up yet
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but the same situation she's wanted
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same time . and as the exact same same
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model has exactly . so yeah I and I i'm
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larger internets apparently so it seems
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of it and and cracked a very snarky joke
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other watch things on Twitter and I
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forget who was what was the company pet
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Patek had came out with a new watch and
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treated a link to this new protect watch
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you know which is like a
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twenty-five-thousand-dollar dive watch
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attackies to seal the case and I of
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course and i have to wait too many
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wonderful way to do a 23 I can't tweet
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something like that without having two
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or three four people think I'm being
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serious and then they were like protect
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doesn't glue their watches together John
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you feel bad and kind of make fun of
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them because they're trying to help but
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it is the earnestness and their replies
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that it it i get that sometimes as well
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so but the other the more interesting
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things I got a whole bunch of replies
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happen to me same thing happened to me
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seems like it's more common with the
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stainless steel once at least
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who tweeted me about it it because it
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primarily steel ones and knowing that
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the aluminum sport models selling
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greater quantity you would think that if
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it was as likely to happen to any other
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watch it would be mostly the sport
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models so i think that the problem is
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more typical with the steel I don't know
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if it's because they went through a
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different you know production line and
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that was the production line where the
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problem was I don't know if it was that
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the gluttony maybe they use the same
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glue but that glue and he's better to
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aluminum than to steal could just be
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honestly if you think about it could
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just be Apple has you know what 10 years
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of expertise working with aluminum and
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stainless steel is relatively new to
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their now that's brought that's probably
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the that's probably the explanation
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right there
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but anyway long story short a whole
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bunch of people wrote and said it
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happened to them they took it to the
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apple store and it was you know you
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gotta wait you can't they don't just
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give you a replacement on the spot but
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they take the watch away and and give
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you a replacement even if it's out of
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warranty and Amy's was out of warranty
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because we have never bought apple care
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for any apple products since 1991 so I
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did I took it to the apple store i did
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not seem to be recognized which I'm
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always worried about cuz i want to
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report on this as I you know like what
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if I'm just a normal apple customer what
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are you what happens when you take your
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Apple watch it after it falls apart on
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the charger i'm pretty sure that the
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people that the genius guy i dealt with
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did not you know you didn't recognize me
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and you know as soon as I describe the
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problem he was you know started typing
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it into his his ipod their
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accommodations you know before do well
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he didn't he heard it didn't seem at
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first and any looked it up and had to
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type in the serial number and then when
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he described the problem he said oh good
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you know even though this is our
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warranty that I can cover this you know
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and it seemed new to him and then he was
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and he laughed and said the first
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question I'd already told him how it you
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know how it was discovered that it
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wasn't dropped during just pulling it
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off the charger and he said though he
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said the first question is did the
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customer discovered the problem--
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removing the watch from the charger
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yeah so it did my own thing the end is
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known system
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yeah it's so known that there's a chain
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through the you know how did this happen
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that begins with did it happen
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pulling the watch off the charger so you
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know as we record the watch is in that
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325 day will tell you when it comes back
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. i'm curious if they're gonna if they
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replace it if they're going to replace
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it with a series 0 or a serious one
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yeah that's a good question the the yeah
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that was the trouble with the app i
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kinda want because I'm never on the
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swimming thing that now so i kinda want
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to get the the well first off great
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Hockenberry is a apparently a popular
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guess that's what he's written about
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that he's been using the original apple
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watch for swimming
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ever since he got it and let me the
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ocean where it's it's probably i would
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imagine the corrosiveness is is more and
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more problem but the problem is that the
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workout app does not
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you can't get the swimming on the rig on
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the original watch even with right
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updated OS like apples just not included
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so you have to get a new watch the
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problem is I i mean i i've kind of
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stopped wearing the app Washington
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day-to-day things like for me the I've
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trained my notifications so much that
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when i get a notification I almost
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always wanted you deal with it on the
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phone anyway I'm just super aggressive
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about not getting hardly any
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notifications
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but and the delay and looking at the
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time was just the that was kind of it I
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got benefits i I've back to a regular
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watch most of the time but i would like
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to i'd still like to track you know the
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the actual exercising so I want to get a
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maybe i'm considering a new one
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the problem is I personally just don't
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find the aluminum ones good looking at
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all like to me the stainless steel still
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looks so much better and actually the
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one that was really great is the is the
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white one
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so the problem is like I can't really
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justify getting the the new edition 12
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years while are right it might have just
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using it for four workouts like well
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maybe I'll start wearing a day today I'm
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like well now we are at I don't know so
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i i'm i'm stuck in paralysis
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uh right now but we'll see i'll probably
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i'll probably one of this work one side
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I think it would be I should anyway just
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to see what it's like how its improved
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relative to the current one
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yeah anyway that was my story about the
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Apple watch so I wonder I I i will I I
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look for
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I don't look for it but it sounds like I
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will be corroborating it soon
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exactly symptoms that that that you had
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you want to talk about I don't want to
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spend a long time on it but this this
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story of dash the developer of the dash
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app anybody has been reading daring
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fireball of the last week with no it
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long story short i do you want to
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summarize it its it's such a weird story
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yeah i think that i think that the i
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personally don't want to spend on
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Tidewater in part because it's still
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kind of unclear there's a new story that
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there is a Richie wrote this morning
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that I haven't fully read that
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apparently is more details are coming
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out and as well as things like it needs
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there's gonna be inherent speculation
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here i think the only the only comment I
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would have liked it sounds like this guy
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made some mistakes and probably you know
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what's the saying like that the cover-up
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is always worse than the crime right and
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like wasn't fully transparent about
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about his situation and so it's easy to
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look at it and putting balance and say
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well apple gave him a chance and with
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into the stuff and he did these bad
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any kind of way the situation is one
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against the other the only I guess the
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only push back i would have to that is
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we're dealing on one side is the biggest
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corporation in the world where this
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particular developer and app doesn't
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make any difference to their bottom line
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and this other guy where like that this
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is his life it is it's his job and that
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changes sort of the the moral calculus
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for lack of a better term like it sounds
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like this guy definitely screwed up and
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he kind of covers his tracks and and you
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could be a very moralistic and
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legalistic about and say like sorry you
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screwed up like apples justified here
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and that's not wrong but i think it's
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it's it it's on apple and you have a
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situation with google with like YouTube
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accounts being suspended or adsense like
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that money disappearing like this happen
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again and again where the balance of
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power and the balance of injury is so
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out of whack that I think it behooves
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the sort of big players to to have more
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grace and more understanding and end it
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hopefully that's the way it's gonna work
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out but i had i think that that's the
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main point make this isn't like a
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one-to-one like who's right and who's
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wrong you have to consider like that
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where the consequences of these actions
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and you know hopefully it's going to
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work out in the end for this guy me
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selling and out for developers so him
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not being in the Indian Mac App Store
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particular it will you will probably be
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okay arm but any out that this might
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have a big picture sort of observation
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about the whole thing
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yeah it's the developers name is bugged
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out pronounce it closely close enough
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he's from Romania and bogdan popescu
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he's still I think is fairly young and
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it was confusing at first because we're
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more or less the little story is that
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there were two developer accounts tide
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they were related to the same bank
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accounts and credit card and the one
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account was full of smokes leeches easy
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apps and the other account only had the
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dash apps and dash is a an API browser
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and snippet browsers and snippets
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meaning you can enter your own little
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snippets attacks like
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frequent like if you do tech support or
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something like that you have a bunch of
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frequently used responses you can invoke
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dash type a couple of letters to get the
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saved snippet you want and boom there it
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is pasted into your email and it's a
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really great app i have it i don't do
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enough programming anymore that it's
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really been useful but i can see that
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it's super super useful i know that you
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know it people use it even instead like
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mac developers use it instead of xcode
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four document browsing it's so good it's
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you know and you know for people who are
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doing things that are not xcode like PHP
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or pearl or something like that it can
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be way better than the document browse
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be way better than the document browse
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documentation that typically invoke like
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through terminal or something like that
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it's a really well regarded app there's
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an iOS version and stuff like that and
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people at first when this guy's
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developer account that what Apple did it
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first was yank all of it they are all
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taken off the store and this guy said
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hey I they said I did a preview fraud I
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don't you know I didn't do that and
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people really did and I think rightly so
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and I think it was it was the right way
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for the community to go we're like hey I
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believe this guy because his apps don't
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look scary at all i use them in love
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it's a good apps and you know it went
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from there and i think it was you know I
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think it was good i didn't link to it at
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first and i'm glad i didn't I felt like
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my spidey-sense kicked in because I just
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felt like there was something fishy
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going on like it just didn't seem like
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the whole story was outside i didn't
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think i will say i feel a little bad
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that i wrote about this when I got I got
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I got to talk to apple the day that they
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they said no they should a statement
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about what happened and I link to our
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polls report about it because I didn't
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want to post a major article about it
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myself but I ended up doing so anyway
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but I felt a little bad posting about it
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when I did because it seemed like it we
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were only getting Apple side of the
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only here one side of it even though I
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share a bank account like that is
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error for sure like they didn't even
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said they were sending the notifications
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to the fraudulent account not even
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credit card they must be the same
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developer but when I was that and I
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deal with it was very difficult is that
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like Apple you the developer counts
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needed to have a credit card years ago a
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nominal cost and but it turns out it's
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countries of the world and even if you
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for fraud or whatever or they just want
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to internet the only work inside the
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country and it was like a multi-month
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project to get workarounds for this to
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work so there's a point being like this
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idea that two to assume that because to
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account system credit card there winked
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be the case is very reasonable that may
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reaction generally there was enough of
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an appreciation that might be the case
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anything like that really article he
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his mom that's what he was being kind of
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cagey about it but those particular
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details i think i just have wildly
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different reactions of people
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immediately assume that that sounds
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ridiculous and fraudulent from my
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reactions like that I can completely
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believe that's the case and the other
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under Eddy Cue and the reason why I
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reasonable to presume that film may not
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be familiar with the these sorts of
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because he's piece Dahmer doesn't care
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but he didn't have to go through the
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pain of figuring out all the workarounds
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to get that set up by Eddie cutie man to
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figure that out this out the edges music
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that's not the app store the first time
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then immediately it sounds super super
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sketchy whereas if you do know about
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that and so my initial reaction and I i
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was to be told believe it news it's was
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super believable if you understand the
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circumstances of different countries
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that are this infrastructure isn't there
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and i still think that I I think it was
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more like the cover-up is worse than
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that I i think in broad strokes there's
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probably like his story i think is is I
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absolutely made mistakes and this is
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where I get to that sort of my original
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point what if you weighed in the balance
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did he make mistakes it seems clear he
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did but when you consider that if you
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take the totality of the situation and
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understanding different markets and the
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credit card thing the bank of thing and
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it's starting again developer it would
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be nice to have a little more slack and
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and mercy for lack of a better word in
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this situation and then I do hope it
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turns out the long run I definitely
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suspected you and I are on a slack where
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we talked about this before when public
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and I was early on thought hey I think
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there's an english as a second language
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problem here you know because I suspect
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that purpose cuse you know speaks but we
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now I now know romanian is his first
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language and english as a second
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language has written English is
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excellent truly excellent and I can see
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why some people would notice it but I
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see certain telltale signs that say that
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there's a certain stiffness to it that
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english-as-a-second-language and even
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out matter how good it is it it went
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with didn't you know this firsthand when
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you-know-who living in taipei that the e
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nuance is the hardest thing to get right
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it's in a cell and this is a situation
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that required nuanced and I definitely
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think that there was i I think that
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there was certain bits of nuance that
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slip between the cracks and i think at
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to your point about you know that credit
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cards and bank accounts from Romania
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that work with us credit and bank
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account
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itunes systems and stuff like that there
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were some cultural differences that
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we're even harder to match up because of
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no matter what the true story is I I
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can't help but think that this was sort
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of a perfect storm of problems where by
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which i mean that part of the blow up on
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Twitter against apple when this when
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this guy's account was initially yanked
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was sort of and rightly so for now maybe
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i rightly so but justifiably so I of of
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from the developer community of wow
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here's a world where your entire
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livelihood can be pulled by apple and
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they don't even show you the evidence
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against you know which is kind of
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terrifying and you know Brent sentences
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written wrote a good piece about that I
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agreed with largely that you know
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there's there's a reason why you know
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that the foundation of like you know
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most modern judicial systems you know
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involved the right to be able to face
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the evidence that you're charged with
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you know that the the government can't
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just come and say we know that you
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committed this crime so therefore you're
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going to prison doesn't work like that
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well this isn't a judicial system this
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isn't the law of the land applets within
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apples rights as a private company to do
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what they want
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more of this story has come out as as
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much of it has i think the one thing you
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can look at and say well there's a you
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know Apple surely deals with actual
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fraud outright fraud on a daily basis I
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don't think they're the appstore
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anti-fraud team is very busy seven days
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ah i think it's something that this is
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the first time in all the years the app
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store has been up that we've something
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like this has come to light we're still
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you know somebody might have been had
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their account pulled and maybe shouldn't
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have write about them are probably just
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the pure fraudsters so they disappear
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and no one notices it was the it was the
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fraud account
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don't tied to the legitimate account
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that I think made this made this
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unfortunate and ya know in a2 and it's
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very fair . it's the same thing with
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with google and youtube in any of these
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other sites that deal with this i mean
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they're they're dealing with scale and
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it's it's hard that I from an individual
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perspective unless you've actually
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worked at these at these companies will
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destroy before where I think it's like
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my second day at microsoft and I was in
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like some business real like a monthly
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business review sort of meeting and
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they're just going down this list and
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talk about OLX percentage in Brazil and
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Bobby stern yearbook and it was
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mind-blowing like just the casualness
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that they were talking about like
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massive regions of the world and like
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the user numbers and engagement and
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stuff like that and you get used to it
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after a while once you're there but the
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scale that these companies are operating
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on they can't you know there's there's a
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limit between doing all sort of
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one-on-one judicious review and needing
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to have systematic approaches and I did
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find it encouraging that you know the
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phone call I posted that Apple was
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engaging someone I still it i am still
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unclear why it happens only when all the
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press release and in did this big thing
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I would have liked to but I can I can
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have sympathy for for both sides i've
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been fortunate to see both sides and but
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it is a challenge for both is if your
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like I said what was that Microsoft I
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got used to the scale stuff like it just
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became normal but that's it's it's not
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normal it's a very it's a very sort of
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narrow way to view the world just view
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it at scale and not to forget about the
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individual sort of level and you could
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see that happy you could see how that
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could happen on the management side and
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you have a sort of mismatch of the
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individual perspective versus the the
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unmask perspective and it's a hard
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problem it's a hard one for both sides
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exacerbated by the cultural things and
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the and the International things in the
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language things one of the things that's
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most extraordinary about it though is
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that we know from and
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and you know right or wrong but one of
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the things that popescu did was required
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work hard to fuck off from apple
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developer relations and we know from the
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guy from Apple who spoke to him that
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this clearly did percolate up to the
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level where Phil Schiller was fully
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aware of it right which is kind of
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amazing you know in terms of the scale
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and in terms of where this got to that
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the this you know one man you know indie
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developers problems with being somehow
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tied to a different account or a joint
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account however you want to put it and
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what should happen whatever it
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percolated up to the point where Phil
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Schiller was fully informed on it and
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and was making decisions on which is
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really kind of extraordinary yeah and
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i'm not sure if it's a good thing right
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the it kind of speaks to their being a
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lack of process here right now i'm not
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populate that that high but again they
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might have been
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extraordinary circumstances here is that
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the combination of legitimate and
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instrument right whereas most processors
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get cotton that are deleted no one knows
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no one cares right was that it was the
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combination here and an apple tying
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those two accounts together because of
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the same credit card and and not sending
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the notices to the account as a whole is
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sending it to the fraudulent account
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right but anyhow
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hopefully I i hope it works out I feel
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bad for the guy you know it's one of
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those things you . they always should
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have been more clear and upfront what
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exactly was going on in and rebuild
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everything but it was like if you were
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in the same situation and the old good i
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guess i think there but for the grace of
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god go i sort of thing and end with
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tremendous gratitude that my business is
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based on the on the open web and is not
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a closed ecosystem with no side loading
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no way around the sort of Apple
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gatekeeper all right I think that's
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enough heard a short segment on dash but
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hopefully I great same way i hope that
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somehow this still works out such that
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dash can get back into the app store
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because it really is a good app and i
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really do think ultimately the guy has
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good intentions and you know the quality
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of the work is yeah and like just like
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the death penalty
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I mean it's not physical death but like
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death of like the app in his company
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hey I mean maybe I'm just a softy but it
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seems that seems like a bit of a
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bummer yeah well the good news is the
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worst-case scenario still got the mac
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that map that he can the mac app can run
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outside the app store and do his own
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he's already had you know it you can
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already get it outside the app store and
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he has a system in place so that people
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who bought it through the app store can
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get the non appstore version without
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having to pay for it again so the
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wording that the thing that is the thing
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that bums me out about this episode and
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what's up with apple is is there's a
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certain segment that is so instinctually
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in defending Apple no matter what and so
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you had a lot of people is particularly
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the developers that were very skeptical
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of apple and defend this guy which is
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great but then but meantime there's a
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lot of people on Twitter that are we
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gonna know for sure a drawn-out it is
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sort of just it's it became tribalistic
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I think that too quickly and then you
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kind of have this weird scenario where I
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think you and again we talked to some of
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these guys were defending him and they
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kind of felt out on an island because
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they're like saying that you know a
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playback singer game in your getting the
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sort of attacks on social media and so
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as soon as Apple releases some sort of
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evidence that means it's right
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the instinct for those people who
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initially defended the developer is like
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snap together sighs oh ok i did my best
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but now he's gone and the truth is as
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with the vast majority things there's
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great in the middle both sides screwed
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I you know for a particular
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communications . like that's definitely
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a screw-up and eat dad just black this
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is still not getting philosophical but
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like there's no most matters are gray
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and this is probably a perfect example
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of that is why it's hard to talk about
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because it if there's there it's very
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much in the indegree reafon and again
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hopefully in the water and it works out
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for everyone i will say well before we
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move on i'll say also in the same what
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regard the other thought that occurred
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to me is this is why Apple stays keeps
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its corporate mouth shut about almost
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everything
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yes infuriating is that can be and as
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opaque is it can make the company b it's
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why they just don't talk about stuff
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even when they want to even when they
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feel like they've been falsely accused
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or they know they've been falsely
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accused and that you know that you know
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somebody says X and it's not true and
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they don't come out and
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they know that's not true here's why
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they just take it they just take it
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because they kind of can't win
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it's all you know that they can let it
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stand keep their mouths shut and let
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some amount of people think that this
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false thing is true or they can come out
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and do to dispute it even they can't
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even prove it but then they look like a
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bully that you know literally the
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biggest and but didn't the biggest
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company in in the world I coming out
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against you know in this case literally
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a one-man company so ya think it's sort
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of a no-lose situation and a no-win
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situation and I can see why the lesser
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you know that the the better route for
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them is usually keep their mouths shut
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totally alright you do you think that
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Apple should allow sideloading of apps
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by the an iOS no I do not
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if I were if I worked at Apple and I was
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in charge are they asked my opinion
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should we allow sideloading of apps in
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iOS i would say no in an ideal world
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where there's no bad actors yes that
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would be the right way to go but I I you
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know this so the example i'm going to
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show it's a is dropbox there's you know
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whole thing what I haven't really
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written or talk much about it but there
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was the thing that came out over the
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summer over somebody and found out that
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dropbox the dropbox app for for Mac was
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like it would say hey we need your admin
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password just to you know finish
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installation and then they would take
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that as admin privileges and write
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themselves into the database that
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controls who has which apps have
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accessibility access to your app to your
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mac which is really sensitive because
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absent have that accessibility access
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you really have to trust them because
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they can like do things like see all
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your keystrokes or see what you're
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clicking on and stuff like that and then
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I just that but they stored the password
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know that you did you start the password
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they know they didn't always work i
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forget the exact details of it up i'll
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put a link i started putting people
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thought they were still people were
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reasonably thinking they stored the
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password but they didn't what they did
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was grant themselves access to that
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database so that they could just keep
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writing to that data that the all
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databases I'm excited again tom
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so they were more or less grew instead
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they weren't taking your admin password
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but they were granting themselves
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permanent admin privileges to your
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accessibility preferences i think is a
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very fair way of saying it
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and what do you say that way it sounds
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as terrible as it well it's a betrayal
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of trust it really isit's shenanigans
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and it shouldn't be happening
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there's no need for it it's really as
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far as what I've heard is that the whole
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thing is just that enable some sort of
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integration with microsoft office files
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something about the complexity of
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Microsoft offices you know bundled file
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format with I don't even you know for
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people like me you don't even have
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office $YEAR installed it's ridiculous
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that they're doing something that i
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would consider you know almost like
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malware like behavior however good their
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intentions are and you know they do
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things they drop box uh you know that
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does some things that they monitor all
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access to the file system and depending
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on how powerful your mac is it can
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actually significantly slowed down
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operations like unzipping files and
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stuff like that because they look there
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snooping at every single action in your
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file system whether it's inside the
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dropbox folder or not which is contrary
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to how it used to work and contrary to
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me to how any reasonable person would
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think dropbox works i would think
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yes of course they're looking at
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everything that happens inside the
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dropbox folder that's why don't you know
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i would assume that they need to so that
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they can keep everything in sync it
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seems ridiculous to me that they're
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looking at anything that happens outside
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the dropbox folder because i don't want
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them to but they are you know I did some
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timing tests on my you know new five
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were relatively new 5k imac that has all
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these extra courses and stuff like that
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node SSD Drive and it's hardly
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noticeable but on like a macbook air or
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something like that it can you know
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significantly slowed down stuff and
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that's my example of an app that's not
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malware it's doing what they said but
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they're taking advantage of you know the
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fact that an app that you download on
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the mac from dropbox.com kenmore let's
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do whatever it can get away with and
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however whatever x y&z the good things
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would be if you could sideload apps
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on on iOS and admittedly I said you know
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install all sorts of apps from outside
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the app store on a mac and I wouldn't
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have it any other way on the Mac it's an
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advantage that iOS you know it's it's
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it's a trade-off there's trade-offs to
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the max style there's trade-offs to the
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iOS style but I feel like Apple has an
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advantage by having one operating system
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that takes the one side and one
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operating system that takes the other
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yeah i agree i agree i mean i would as a
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user I would prefer to be recycled apps
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and where I developed by a developer i
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would like to know that there's that
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there's that option to to to do that in
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debt you the app store isn't the only
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gate keeper but if i put on my sort of
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you know business hat and think about
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what concerns apple-like at what
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concerns apple is their operating at
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this unbelievable scale with with
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hundreds of millions of customers and
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secure is a huge target and yes you can
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lock it down to the extent but then
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they're like fishing becomes a an
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optionally get people to install these
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apps and people will people are I think
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people are not careful about the stuff
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in a way that probably you and I and
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most listeners of this are I think I'd i
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agree with you it's even though all the
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problems of having a single gatekeeper
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in the fact that you had a situation
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with with this developer where Apple can
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have like literally have a kill switch
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on his car on his account those are all
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true and they that means it's really on
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Apple to make sure they get that sort of
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stuff right but I agreed for the from a
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business perspective it doesn't make
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sense to to open it up so yeah we're on
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the same page right i think that the
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advantage of having both the mac OS and
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I mean we could probably do a whole show
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about this but the advantage of having
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mac OS and iOS at the same time and I'm
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class i don't think that it is on its
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deathbed and it's going to be replaced
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by iOS any year now I think Mac OS is
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thriving as it's ever been
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I think the way Apple sees it and I
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think they're happy with it is that
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they've got one operating system that
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starts from the bottom up in other words
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it's in this is Iowa's don't talk about
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iOS and it's for anybody in every
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ready and it's the simpler one it both
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you know in terms of the user interface
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but also in terms of the technical
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capabilities you know that it doesn't
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you know only had the only output is a
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lightning port and you have to plug in a
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dongle even to get to a USB you know the
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multitasking is a lot simpler the apps
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you know any app that you install has to
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come from the app store where it's been
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vetted and it could be killed at any
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the multitasking system is such that any
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app has to be ready to be killed at any
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moment and then they've got this other
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operating system mac OS that starts from
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the top down where it's that it's it's
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therefore the most expert of expert
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users you know if you really are you
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know you want to have a unix terminal
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and command line on your system
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you've got it i think that really is
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very strong place to be and I think it's
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worked out very very well yeah I
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completely agree i think the i find it
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bizarre that people think they're going
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to be seen together in it's it's it's
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really viewing the problem from the
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wrong perspective because it it's sort
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of like a you're looking at it from a
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complexity of apples gonna have to
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manage multiple operating systems mobile
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well that's their job that's what like
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it's their job to manage that complexity
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and keep it simple for the user
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like what what the proposal that they
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combine the two quote-unquote simplifies
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it for Apple but it makes it more
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complicated for the user because you
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have a you have a overly complicated
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operating system on one device and a way
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to lock down over simplified on another
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device and that's to completely
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misunderstand i think the way that Apple
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thinks about its products I mean ed the
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idea that you should was presented to
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the user should be simple and what's
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what's the like the einstein quote about
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simplicity whatever liking everything
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should be as simple as possible but not
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more so
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exactly exactly and and that apple would
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prioritize its internal efficiency in
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maintaining two operating systems and
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put that complexity onto the user that
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seems counter to the entire way Apple
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thinks about simplicity and matching
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complexity right the way I've put it at
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the past I forget where I
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I have the einstein quote memorized
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although like all great quotes
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supposedly that quote is apocryphal and
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maybe was never said by Einstein or you
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said something that was not quite as
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clever but people cleaned up over the
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years but anyway that's the quote that's
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attributed to and I'm sticking to it
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my line is something to the effect of
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its the heaviness the commune of mac OS
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that allows iOS to be so light that if
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they got rid of the mac they have to
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make iOS so much more complex to pick up
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the things that the mac does that iOS
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can't that it would wreck iOS and all of
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the things they've done over the years
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and I think it's the same thing is true
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on windows to all of the ways that over
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the years
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Apple and Microsoft have tried to make
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simple modes for mac or windows they
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fail they they fall short there used to
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be like the simple finder on on Mac OS
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which was like a mode you can put the
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mac in where the finder only showed you
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instead of showing you like the whole
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file system it just showed you like a
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panel full of your apps it's there's
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still like that launch window things get
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lunch or whatever he asked the same idea
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its yeah and I think that that launcher
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for mac OS what's called and everything
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the thing I never liked launchpad
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I never I never use it they could just
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erase it if they could just drop it from
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Sierra and I would never even notice
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because it's it's irrelevant and I think
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anything any attempt like that to make
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mac OS too much iose is a failure and I
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think any anything they ever did
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although i don't think there's ever been
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something like that but anything they
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did that made iOS more too much mic mac
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OS would wreck the good parts of Iowa or
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a you could argue this was gonna go to
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go back to the watch this is the mistake
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they made in in watch version one was
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they they should have developed it
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we're in this case the heaviness was on
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iOS iphone and the watch should have
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been white like the ipod right the ipod
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was it was the perfect example of this
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what made it so great was all the
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complexity of managing your music was
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all awful on the computer and all the
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ipod did was play music and and it made
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it so much more powerful and I think the
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mistake that was in version one of the
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watch was with that washer that
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honeycomb of apps and all that sort of
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thing like it was
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it was trying to take pack an iphone
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into it make it self sufficient and in
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the long run I i still think there's a
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future where the watch is the center
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like you want to get seller keep
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building is much more powerful and and
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their the watch becomes heavy and like
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your airports become light or something
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along those lines but we're not there
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yet and I think that's if you wanted to
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to encapsulate where version one of the
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watchman wrong i think that it's
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somewhere in there I know that there are
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people in this before so it's really
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screwed by jumping in before I did the
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sponsor it but it's a good topic i know
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that there are people listening to us
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who are frustrated and they're there
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I I feel your frustration its people who
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do want sideloading and they want that
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because they can tell how for them it
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would make iOS even better and I don't
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deny that at all from me
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iOS would be better if I could sideload
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apps like I can on a map meaning that i
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could just get a piano version of
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application x straight from the
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developer not through the app store and
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and put it on my phone and maybe it
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would mean I'd have a version of a
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amazon video for my apple TV because I
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could side load it and then the right
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would get around you know that to me is
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one of the worst things about apple tvs
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i don't have amazon have amazon prime
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account i think amazon has some of the
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best and original content I mean it's
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maybe not
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they're not quite up there with Netflix
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HBO but their second tier and it's just
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such a pain in the ass to have to load
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it on my phone and airplay it over to
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the appletv rather than just get it on
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apple TV but I totally understand mrs.
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point of view that they don't want to
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give up the thirty percent or have a
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version that you can't buy stuff from I
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don't know what you know but sideloading
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would obviously get around that I can
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see how that would make it better but
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the thing i want to say you know i think
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i want to express the people who are
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frustrated by that is it's not about us
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the mac is there for people like us and
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you know we've got the system like that
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but you can't deny that the fact that
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you can screw up a mac by installing the
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wrong thing has led to an awful lot of
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people who screwed up there Mac by
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installing the wrong thing
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I can't emphasize enough what an amazing
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weight off the shoulders it is to
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non-technical users to have a computer
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like the iPhone the iPad that they can't
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screw up it is a big benefits benefits
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developers to because people download a
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million more apps or what way more than
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a million like exponentially more apps
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on the phone because they're not scared
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of apps i need heart it's hard it's hard
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to remember now but you'll back 10 years
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and people were scared to install stuff
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on their computers oh absolutely it and
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that would be
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and once in the problem is you say all
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only technically you should do it will
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know you like you get to things like
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what's with the accessibility thing in
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china right with the home button where
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people put you get these people do weird
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stuff with their phones because it
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becomes a thing to do and there's like
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tutorials and videos about it like
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people lots of people that shouldn't
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would enable sideloading and then what
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happens you can e-mail say all your you
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get some someone puts up a notification
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uh you know there are they slipped
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something into the app store they put up
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with Jimmy app to put on vacations do
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you update something you click a button
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and it goes to sorry uh original website
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and downloads it cycles a nap because
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you enabled it for some reason or other
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and now you have met a malware type app
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on your computer are on your phone and
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the like this stuff will happen it
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absolutely will happen and the fact that
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right now the you see this on jailbroken
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phones right when you see a report about
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malware on the phone is almost always
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happening to jailbroken phones & 2
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in that case you kind of brought it on
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yourself it's super-clear you're doing
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something you shouldn't do when you're
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jailbreaking it if it was apple enabled
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and apple endorsed even if not by
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default just the number of people that
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would do that and expose themselves
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would be huge and it would it be support
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nightmare for apple and it would be bad
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for developers to people start getting
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scared of apps again and that would be a
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terrible place to be
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what was the name of amazon there's a
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company that Amazon's that like ranks
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websites by traffic is that is a call
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Alexa even know that now that's the name
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is like their Serie type thing
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no I was the name of that
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and that used to get its measurements
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through like the Amazon toolbar or
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something like that was the name you
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remember and it doesn't seem like
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anybody really
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oh yeah baby was made was alexa i think
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it was called alexa but it was and they
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do like a rankings invite the top
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thousand websites and stuff like that
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and when you have like the internet yeah
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right i totally forgot about that
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yeah that's what this is that's funny
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one time a long time ago i was i was at
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a conference and I got in i was cut into
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a poker game late at night with a bunch
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of people and one of the guys worked at
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a lecture or something like that and
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this was awhile ago maybe even like 10
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years ago and it was relaxing mattered
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accident or doesn't how it got there and
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but that's the exact same food i think
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about those web tool bars a lot you know
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the people used to get those and they do
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you know he even said like we know that
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most people get it don't even know how
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they got it again there's never that's
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I don't take a break and thank our next
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sponsor hurry
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annoying habit when they put out new
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models they raised the are there all
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pretty high prices if you want to get
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their best product you have to pay more
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than you're paying for the previous
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why they when they make their razors
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even better they keep their prices
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exactly the same Harry's five blade
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than before and their handles now I have
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a texture for a better feel when it's
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handle I've had my original handle from
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Harry's since they first started
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condition it is literally looks like i
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like last week that's out how built to
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last their stuff is but i have to say
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the textured handle is so much better
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because it really does it it's less
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slippery and it you know really feels
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like it makes me that even though I've
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it makes me wonder why the original one
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didn't have this texture well they make
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it better
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they've made it better same prices it
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compared to four dollars or more that
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you'll pay at the drugstore for top
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blades from other companies they own
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make the blades they they own it right
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them online for half the price because
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there are many middlemen they make
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blades they package them up in really
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cool packaging excellent packaging and
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ship them right to you
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so there's no middle man you say how can
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they charge half what other companies do
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because other companies make them and
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sell them to a distributor and in the
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distributor sells them to you know
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walgreens or CVS or walmart wherever the
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hell you're buying from every step along
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the way its marked up
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well Harry's just makes this these great
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products and they sell them correct to
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they're so confident in the quality of
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their blades that they will send you
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browser tab head that's it
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it's a he did that go back I gotta write
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a message at we can go . it so I now
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have it open dice my computer and I
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wonder why end up with under Dave's I
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about Twitter getting acquired what are
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your thoughts on that hasn't happened
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I for Twitter it sorted out its there's
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so much smoke is one of those where
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there's smoke there's fire type things
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and yeah I think that's Twitter
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generated smoke because they wanted i do
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think they were wants to be sold yet
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with a problem the twitters stuck in the
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end the reason they're stuck is that the
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company is overvalued for what it is
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right now and it has been for a long
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price is the presumption that someone's
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gonna buy it but it's keeping the price
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high enough that no one wants to buy it
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so it like the the price needs to go
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down for it to be a viable acquisition
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but it won't go down because people are
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counting on it not going down part i'm
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getting a good price for the stock so
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it's really kind of stuck in this sort
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of catch-22 situation there was a arm
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you know that everyone always think
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about the sheet requires like Google
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makes a lot of sense i've written about
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this i've written but it's a fair bit i
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wrote a post a while ago we
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is in the day update but walking
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throughout the Twitter self scenarios
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and who should buy the problems with it
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Google is all obviously was always made
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the most sense in part because they have
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a socket social they did that sort of
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having a feed and Twitter needs to go to
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somebody who can a where if you just go
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to some random company you have all
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Twitter's problems are going with you
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where's google already has advertising
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scale for example they already have
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automated selling with something Twitter
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really found facedown like they're still
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selling the best for their money still
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made by like selling ads to big
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companies or big ad agencies as opposed
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to like the mom-and-pop signing up to
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facebook or google which scales so much
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better and makes it makes a lot of money
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for them
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we're never really got that working
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going to let Google that already has
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that infrastructure in place makes sense
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the problem is google is Twitter sign
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this deal with google a year-and-a-half
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ago 21 give Google other data and
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actually unquote fire hose right and to
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to incorporate with double clicks maybe
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part of the system which means google
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basically got really outside of like
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owning it and what they could do with it
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they got everything they need from
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Twitter they got the data and they got
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the platform to sell ads against my why
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buy it when they got everything they
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already need
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why buy the cow when you're getting the
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milk for free right exactly exactly so
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that there was a real there's a good
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post by armed uh I think it's john
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brought his brother capital is the site
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he's this guy in Australia is famous for
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doing these deep dive investigations of
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companies and he can like drive their
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stock down like like no tomorrow but he
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did a arm he he wrote it i thought was
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over a good post and I I haven't written
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about his post specifically but
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basically his point is I think it's a
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fair point we always intact we always
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think about the strategic value of
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Twitter and that's why Google should buy
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for example or like Salesforce has been
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a big rumor and they're going to get
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data on and all that sort of thing but
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his point was that like
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cool twitter makes a fair bit of revenue
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the problem is their costs are just
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enormous and particularly want to
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include stock-based compensation either
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lose like 500 million dollars a year
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which is just a massive amount of money
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is a pretty stable amount of money and
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they've been increasing over the
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past several years while the revenues
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out they've increased their employee
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basic usually increase their costs
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hugely me and his point is this business
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is what it is
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if you basically go in there and clean
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house and just keep the business running
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as it is it could actually be a
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profitable company that throws off a
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fair amount of cash so he thinks that it
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needs the this best place for them is
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like a leveraged buyout and someone goes
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in just cleans house gets rid of a bunch
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staff like cleans up the company makes a
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profitable and then and then sells it
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and then it'd be much more palatable for
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salesforce the buyer for google by the
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problem of course is Twitter very well
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may die along the way it's easy for me
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to say and I really hate to be callous
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about it I really do because you know
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job is important thing but I never at
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the headcount group at Twitter makes no
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sense to me at all
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it it it's I don't understand and i'm a
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long I mean a very early user number you
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know I think I send up in late $MONTH
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followers a that you know I i think i
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get twitter and i know that you know
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different people use twitter in
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different ways but I i love Twitter I
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really do i use it everyday it is it's
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really turned into the primary way that
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interact with readers daring fireball
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more for more sore than email and it's
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you know it's funny I think it's one
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thing i never get anymore ever
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I can't remember the last time honestly
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I might even be years since somebody's
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complained about the fact that daring
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it's a fantastic thing I don't
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understand why there's so many
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people who work at twitter it's it's
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understand what what is going on there
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numbers are all sorry I think we want to
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talk to us last time but Dustin Curtis
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yes and yeah Yahoo was at the bottom 419
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thousand per employee
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twitter is for $MONEY and sixty-two
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thousand per employee so what ya whoever
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twitter was losing a hundred and thirty
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thousand dollars per employee right i
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mean Facebook's making 290,000 apple
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speaking foreign 60,000 I mean it's yeah
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it's it is there's this weird attitude
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about Twitter and you see this all the
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time like all twitter has so much
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potential like all the twitter is did
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twitter is a ten-year-old company right
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like at some point use needle it's
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almost like treating them disrespect
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that they're like this little like this
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incapable sort of being like we should
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expect more from table company and then
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twitter is been dude I've written two
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tons of it we've talked about like
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twitter has been grossly mismanaged for
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many years and yeah I i agree with with
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the Wall Street guy like I think someone
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is gonna win clean house
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yes I get that there's a talent you you
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was gonna lose a lot of talent without
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value employees but at some point the
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service does what it does
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people like you and i love it like he
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needs or total reset it just needs to
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the total reset and I hope it survives
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the process but continue on this path is
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is I don't know doesn't lessen what is
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going on with the headcount of Instagram
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now that they're fully absorbed part of
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facebook but before facebook bought them
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instagram 30 people write it was like 12
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people until it got to the point where
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they needed and you know I think they
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might have had more ops people you know
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then then product people just because it
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was so popular but it was you could
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reasonably put them on a bus and drive
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mall to the airport together and forget
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you know
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offsite I mean it was it the right
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company would fit in a bus and was doing
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something of similar scale and nature
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and complexity is twitter i'm not saying
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Twitter should be 30 people at this
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point but it should be a lot closer to
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30 than where they are now and and I
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think part of it is an Instagram is is
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to me the comparison not facebook it
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it's now I'm not saying that Twitter
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should say that they're done and say
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okay we've done it you know but they're
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they've been closer to done then then
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not done for a while like the whole
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point of twitter much like Instagram is
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that it's conceptually very simple
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that's that's the appeal and is actually
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part of the point of it that it's you
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pick who you want to follow you'll see
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what the people who you've chosen to
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follow post and then you can post and
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the people who've chosen to follow you
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will see what you've posted and that
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that basic that simplicity it sounds so
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simply well that doesn't even count but
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it's like no nobody never actually
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thought of that before
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there's a genius in in that but they
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really it's not the sort of thing where
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they need massive ongoing development
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yeah it's all it's almost like a UH is
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like twitter is a perfectly like the
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strategy for twitter has always been to
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they have a cost problem but they've
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always their goal has always been to
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grow out of that cost problem if that
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makes sense like they're gonna get big
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enough to get scale where the cost makes
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sense and that that is a it's a
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reasonable way of thinking that the way
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companies operate by the the the problem
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is that it's just not that big of a
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business like Twitter on Twitter makes a
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few billion dollars a year in revenue
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like it that should be enough to have a
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viable business given what it is i think
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parts gets into all the problems that
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Twitter had in management and all the
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problems they had it in their board and
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in the the fighting between at seven
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jack is they they ended the classes they
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probably took on too much venture money
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in the long run they do is build a
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business more quickly enough and they
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got to a state where they had a sort of
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bloated apparatus that the easiest and
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most obvious way was to what we can grow
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revenue big enough will
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outgrow our bloat it needs a reset like
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the the services what is obviously the
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the abuse problems are real it needs to
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be addressed but I think even there you
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have all these bad incentives going on
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like killing spam hurts don't the active
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user account right banning people
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perspective user glycan you have there's
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all these bad incentives in place for
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twitter as the public company as they
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are now and yeah I i really come around
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I think to this sort of like I get the
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talent issue i get that people are going
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to flee twitter if it's not Wall Street
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guy comes in and cleans house but it at
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i think we're to the point where it's
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like yes the surgery might kill the
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patient but without the surgery the
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patient is not going anywhere and you
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can't lose 500 million dollars a year
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forever Josh but they had a big drop-off
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who was it was just recently the stock
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got run up on the rumors that they might
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get acquired and then like yeah this was
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it yeah whatever
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yes else was the lead one but it really
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sounds like particularly where the
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week's came out they were kind of known
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Twitter channels so like Salesforce
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expressed interest in trying to drum up
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other interests and then everyone's like
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not interested in the stock crash back
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yeah anyway I love Twitter I hope it
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works out but i do think that I guess
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I've come around on google I mean my
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antipathy towards google is just a
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general I'd in general I just don't like
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Google and I don't trust them with with
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data and I don't want I don't want my
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twitter account tied to a google ID and
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I don't you know I don't know what
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google would want to do in that regard
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if they were to 12 by him but on the
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other art hand if the right people at
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Google were in charge of it and they
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just saw it as well we've you know we've
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got this incredible resource of instant
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news of what everybody around the world
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is talking about it you know i could see
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them handling it well and Google you
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know has shown it you know history of
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like when they first monetize search
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results of you know not messing with
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what made it good in the first place
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yeah the only other one the other one
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interesting here's another example where
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where where Google a kind of consider
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themselves but is accompanied by
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bloomberg we're so do of course
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Bloomberg has a deal with twitter
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twitter gives them all their data for a
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price that's way too old for what it's
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worth but it if there was a queen of
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house and Twitter survived it and like
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the there's really valuable stuff and
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Twitter I I use Twitter a fair bit for
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uh if you want to find interesting like
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Sam write about a topic and i were
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really want to understand more about I
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want to get different points of view
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like yes I use nuzzle like personally
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that services stuff but it's a more
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obscure sort of thing like Twitter
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search is actually one of the best ways
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to uncover interesting off the beat sort
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of poster articles about about any
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particular topic like because just the
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just the the nature of the data is
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different than something like Google and
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it there's a lot of value there it i had
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it's not clear its value that's best
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monetized by advertising and this can go
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back to the very you know beginning back
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you know when the decisions were made
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about Twitter and how to monetize if
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Twitter came along later it would be
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interesting if you know didn't have
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obviously the executive upheaval but in
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a world where it's clear that Google and
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Facebook are going to really dominate
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advertising art online and had there
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been more creativity with twitter i mean
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it would well we we've said this a
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million times like they own like imagine
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someone owned the protocol behind email
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right away how valuable could that be
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like that's what twitter twitter had
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maybe still hasn't had the potential to
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own basically a messaging protocol for
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the internet and in part because of
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modernization concerns apart because
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just general ineptitude like I still
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can't believe that Twitter band links
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and direct messages for two years but
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they could have owned like a messaging
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protocol for the internet it but they
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didn't align up into the business model
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that that enable that they chose
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advertising the clothes other
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third-party stuff
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and it's a shame if it's one of the
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biggest like what could have been but I
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still think Twitter could have been a
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massive company but they would have had
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to have been very different choices made
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you know five six years ago
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yeah I let me take one last break here
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and thank our third and final sponsor to
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brand new sponsor i'm very excited about
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this company called away away makes
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first-class luggage at coach prices
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these high-quality materials just like
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other brands but offer much lower prices
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by $PERCENT and this is a recurring
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theme with podcast sponsors cutting out
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the middlemen and selling directly to
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so they've got three sizes one of my
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favorite things with away is that's just
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what they do they've got added all the
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same quality and they've got three sizes
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the carrion guess what fits and carry on
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overhead been the medium and the large
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huh you ever go I i actually am in the
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market for a carry-on bag i've been
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using the same one for like 15 years and
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it literally is like ripped apart and
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stuff that I put in the one in the front
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pocket actually usually false and into
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the the main comparison probably he's
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suitcase it falls from the little front
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compartment but you go to like these
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executive and the junior executive and
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the overnight executive and the cheat on
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his wife executive and it's all like 21
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overhead bins of all the airlines I've
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ever flown on which is all i need the
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suitcases are made with premium German
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poly carbonate unrivaled in strength and
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impact resistance and very lightweight
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it actually looks to me like they're
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three or four pounds lighter than a lot
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of other premium brands the interior
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features a patent-pending compression
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system useful for over Packers that's me
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because I like to just carry a carry-on
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instead of checking a bag for 360 degree
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spinner wheels guarantee smooth ride i
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will never buy a suitcase again that
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doesn't have for the four wheels never
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sometimes it really is so much more
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convenient to just push them along
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rather than pull them on two wheels they
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have a tsa approved combination lock
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built into the top of the bag removable
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washable laundry bag keep your dirty
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clothes separate from the clean they
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just give it to you it's right there in
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the bag and now here's the part where
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that is why they sponsoring the talk
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show is this is just a brilliant feature
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i love this
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it comes with a built-in 10,000 milliamp
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battery charger and you can take it out
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so you can charge it you can take it out
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of the suitcase and charge it somewhere
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else you have to have the suitcase at
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your desk to charge it or wherever
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you're going to charge it but then you
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charge this thing up you put it in a
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suitcase and then you've got USB ports
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right on top of the suitcase so while
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you're sitting there at like the waiting
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for your flight to board you you got a
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massive portable battery to charge
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anything that needs to be charged right
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there on top of the suitcase
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what a great idea lifetime warranty if
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anything baby and it's got a couple of
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ports you can have you know like one for
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you one for your significant other your
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kid or something like that or charge
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your iPhone and your iPad at the same
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what a great idea I never go to the
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airport without a portable battery
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charger wouldn't be great not to have it
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in my pocket have a right build into the
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suitcase brilliant it's a suitcase for
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today's age lifetime warranty if
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anything breaks they'll fix it or
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replace it for life hundred day free
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trial live with it
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vibe with it travel with instagram it
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and if at any point decided not for you
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can return it for a full refund no
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questions asked hundred days so you get
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free shipping on anyway order within the
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continental United States sorry for
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everybody outside the continental United
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States you still buy one and like I said
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the carry-on size is compliant with all
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the major airlines really I this sounds
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like a great product i don't have one
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right now i'm going to buy one because i
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need new suitcase and
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that's the prices are significantly less
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than the ones i have had been looking at
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from other brands really really great
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stuff where do you go to find out more
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you go to a way travel.com / talk show
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that's the URL away travel.com / talk
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show and they'll know you came from the
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show go check them out if your need for
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a suitcase here's the prices the Karen's
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225 the medium is 275 and the largest
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295 so all three of them are under 300
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bucks this carrion i was looking at the
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other day from another company was like
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seven hundred dollars so this is a lot
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less good colors everything anything you
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can say about it
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so anyway go check them out away
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travel.com / talk show it just do a
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quick follow-up the it is bronte capital
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but the author is John Hampton it's not
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noticeable how do you spell Bronte and
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his bone BR 0 NT e capital and it's
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actually a blogspot site . blogspot com
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so euro and te yeah
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pron te capital C API tal . blogspot com
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all right and what's the author's name
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John Hampton Hampton alright there we go
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what else is on our agenda we're never
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going to get to all this are we
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I don't be which is too bad because
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they're both interesting so there's
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Syria must Walt Mossberg row 2 column
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and then at augmented review in which
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actually I'm why I liked about that we
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can go through all this we can do it
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I let's talk about the google pixel
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phones we I think we can do this one
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pretty quickly I ordered one I didn't
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know if you did
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yeah I did I haven't bought an android
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phone i think in two years and it was
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two years ago when I bought this moto x
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and I try to stay on top of it
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I regretted it the moment I got it this
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moto x is a piece of crap and I should
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have gotten a nexus and I regret that I
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just got out of the 6p last year I swore
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that I would never buy another android
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phone that wasn't a nexus and now
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they've just abandon the nexus name and
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you know taking more control over design
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and Colin pixels inside to me it's the
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only way to try and
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the phone I mean look at me by Samsung
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and the things going to say on fire but
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I have no interest in a samsung not
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because I don't think there is no I
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don't want to kick dirt on her mother on
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fire but the fire put dirt puts out
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fuckers i know for a fact from two
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minutes of dicking around with one in a
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cell phone store that I have no interest
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in buying one because of the shitty
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software that they put on top of Android
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i can tell i want to use the Android
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that comes from google you don't get it
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from Samsung you can't get it from them
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so i have no interest in it I have no
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idea why anybody who cares about this
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stuff whatever by the samsung phone so
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anyway I bought a pixel about the 5 inch
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model and black and I was so torn over
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whether to get the 32 gigabyte one or
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all the same here 128i I honestly
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despite to cost me three days and I've
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got further behind in the shipping q
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because I couldn't decide which one to
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buy because I thought I with my with the
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iphone I've always bought the largest
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capacity one there is even this year i
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got the 256 even though my my old phone
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was only it like I don't know like a
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hundred or so or 90 some had plenty of
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space i needed more than 64 but I was
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well under 128 and I probably would be
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for another year but I just don't even
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worry about if I want to shoot 4k video
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shoot 4k video and off to clear it off
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with the pixel I really am ninety-nine
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percent sure it's not going to become my
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daily phone just in case it does well or
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just in case i did thought that occurs
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to me is what if I'm testing it and like
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some something really fascinating a
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newsworthy happens and i want to start
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shooting 4k video you know I don't want
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to you know have it fill up so I got 12
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i got the same model that are
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degenerating 128 now I ended up and and
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I you know money two squirts through my
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hands my fingers like water but i ended
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up saving a hundred dollars this one
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time i bought the 32 gigabyte version
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idea a guide to get the 128 it is there
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to me this product is is absolutely
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fascinating and its continued it looks
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like at the 120 yeah I even went to the
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next day I even went to change my order
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and it was too late
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it's again that processing queue
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yes I would have had to cancel it and go
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to the end of the qtr that our i'll
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stick with it
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alright why are you fascinated by it so
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the most interesting thing is I'm gonna
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go back i have like i mentioned i have
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the Wits the 6p though the wily one from
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last year
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very nice phone I and i still find
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android android frustrating like it for
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me the like scrolling is like my the
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white well for me and android like I
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just it just it's like nails scratching
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on the chalk mark in
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on the chalk mark in
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rising up the wall ah but what's
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interesting is my 6p is not getting the
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google assistant so you go back to the
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way they opened up that presentation
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they didn't start out with the hardware
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they started out by talking about like
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the history of tax executives the PC era
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and then there was the Internet era and
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then there was the mobile area now we're
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in the era which I don't think I don't
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think I don't quite agree that i talked
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about that on an exponent on this last
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week but the point is it's all about
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Google assistant and then from there
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they went to the pixel phone so that was
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the framing for interesting the phone
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and they weren't selling a phone they
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were selling access to the google
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assistant what's so interesting is
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google assistant is not a part of
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Android it does not it's not going to be
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on the Nexus phones it's not on phone
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from third parties at all they can use
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their own since they wanted in samsung
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bot viv but another assistant and I've
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heard rumors that it might be available
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i'm not sure if it and I suspect not if
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it is all I will have thoughts about
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that because what's interesting is if
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that framing is right that they're
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moving to a new world of this assistant
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world then that sounds like a really
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good news from google right because the
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sort of this assistant stuff is right in
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their wheelhouse we can get into the
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quality assistant i think that i'm not
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sure LOL is a good representation of how
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good it may or may not be but at least
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like sort of theoretically it's easy to
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imagine that Google's assistant is going
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to be more capable than than the
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competition because that that's what
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they do
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alright i believe the problem the
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problem for google is assist this world
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is a great fit for them technologically
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and it's a horrible fit for them from a
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business model perspective because the
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way google makes money is they basically
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make their advertisers compete against
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each other and they compete to get in
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front of customers and then the customer
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chooses the winner based click on an ad
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they select and add and click on it and
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that's the one that gets that that that
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that that that pays money but it's a
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great insight and so let me let me let
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me see if you agree with this that the
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the main product that
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google for since its inception has
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served is a list of search results right
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you know and this is goes across all
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their products you know it mean in
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whatever they make from gmail I don't
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think compared to search results and the
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product is you type in a little thing in
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this little box and hit return and
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Google about you know one-tenth
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two-tenths of a second later gives you a
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list of results and originally it was
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all just search results and their
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competitors were doing things like
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putting punch the monkey adds a top the
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page all this obnoxious stuff they were
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making no money on it and google said
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we're never going to show these banner
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ads and they never did they never went
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back on that and what they did is they
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found a way to say what we're going to
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do is it's actually home i would say
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it's almost like in the form of early
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form of native advertising and I know
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you've talked about absolutely right
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yeah it's we're just going to use one of
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the slots in the list we're just going
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to make slot 1 a paid result and we're
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going to try to make sure that even
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though it's a paid result that it's
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still somewhat relevant to the query
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because that'll work for everybody
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it'll work for you the person looking
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for a thing that will work for this the
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advertiser because they're only going to
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have that in front of people who are
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actually sort of looking for this and it
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is written here trade notes that and
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it'll work for us because this might
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actually be sustainable its side when I
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don't know it's in the rather just
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crashed at me I said she was screaming
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and you totally went off the rails
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I apologize for that says no to stop
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responding
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working properly that's because it's not
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an application it's a web page anyway
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it's a little list but there is no you
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know and in the same way you know and
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you've often been very complimentary
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about the daring fireball sponsorship
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model that you know it is of early form
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of native advertising where I serve up a
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bunch of short articles every week and i
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sell one of them to a sponsor who I hope
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is you know of interest to my audience
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and it just slips right in to the RSS
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feed just like all the other ones and
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it's clearly labeled as sponsored but
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it's not like some extra mius thing like
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an image on top of the thing right there
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is no internet there's no room for that
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in an interaction with a voice assistant
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you know I mean like if I say to my
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voice assistant hey dingus the book me
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on a flight to san francisco on $MONTH
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october 26th the dingus can't come back
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to me and say hey would you know would
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you like to you know yet no one wants to
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make selections like in this is that
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this is exactly at the like an assistant
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works if it gives you answers
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whereas Google's business model is
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predicated on giving you options and the
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and so in a world where you give answers
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not options their business model falls
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apart and people like all well people
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could there could be sponsored results
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and one most italian sounds terrible but
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to yes there are some scenarios where
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like Google could maybe charge an
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affiliate fee or something right like if
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you use opentable to book is a book me a
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table at X restaurant and Google use
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opentable and opentable pay school and
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affiliate fee that that light right
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investors easy but just you know
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listening to it sounds ridiculous one
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there's very few areas that will work
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but to affiliate fees are not very high
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relative to what companies pay for
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google ads because your flight example
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like what's the goal of kayak and and
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