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168: ‘You’ve Got the Nubbin’, With Special Guest Serenity Caldwell

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0:00:00oh shit i'm so stupid

0:00:04oh it's not that stupid but I i am

0:00:08starting a new thing where I'm just

0:00:10sharing an apple note with whoever's on

0:00:12the show em okay and then you can just

0:00:15paste we can pace links in there and I

0:00:17get right now all it just says tts 168

0:00:21serenity called anyway the stupid thing

0:00:22is that i was trying to do it and I'm

0:00:25like why can I not do this i know i've

0:00:27done it already and it's because I'm

0:00:29staring at a Mac that's still running el

0:00:31Capitano oh no gotta do it from my phone

0:00:36such technology problems did you get

0:00:40this

0:00:40did you go yesterday anyway it's even a

0:00:42lot of n so we're sharing we are sharing

0:00:44this is my new thing we can't even tell

0:00:46people on the air it's not a secret but

0:00:47I'm i shared a note from Apple notes

0:00:51with serenity so that we could paste

0:00:54links and maybe I'll remember to put all

0:00:56the links in the show notes that I say

0:00:57that seems like a perfect use of the

0:01:01shirt notes feature but before we

0:01:02started recording i spent a minute

0:01:04staring at my screen trying to figure

0:01:07out how to do it and it was because I'm

0:01:08staring at a machine that still running

0:01:10back running l cap which doesn't have

0:01:12the feature where is my collaborate

0:01:15button where has it gone to I am

0:01:18we have so much to talk about and how

0:01:19that we're going to do it but this isn't

0:01:21I'm excited here's what I'm excited

0:01:22about is my last show was with jim

0:01:24dalrymple and everything was still no

0:01:26and I feel like you know like the phones

0:01:28and watch em I don't think Sierra was

0:01:30out yet i like talking about these

0:01:34things more once I've gotten to know

0:01:36them a little better

0:01:37like I even said on my show that last

0:01:39time I found writing a review of the

0:01:40iphone after five days to be incredibly

0:01:42stressful because I don't know what it's

0:01:44really hard right so I'm anxious to hear

0:01:46your thoughts now that we've starting to

0:01:48settle in with these new devices and

0:01:49both new operating systems but when I

0:01:53was going to tell you is I'm like a

0:01:55reckless I'm reckless with my iOS

0:01:56devices i'll install the first beta of

0:02:00whatever is coming out as soon as

0:02:02somebody else on twitter says they

0:02:03installed it and it didn't didn't blow

0:02:05up we have same so my iphone my personal

0:02:09iphone is already running the developer

0:02:10beta of

0:02:11fun 10.1 because your personal iphone 7

0:02:16plus this time around 77 I've just

0:02:19switched I think saturday i switched

0:02:22from my room plus review unit to my

0:02:25phone I ended up buying for myself which

0:02:27is jet black regular 7m h but I did it

0:02:32but I had to run the beta because i put

0:02:34the beta on the plus so i could take

0:02:36portrait mode photos and then once

0:02:39you've upgraded that device if I wanted

0:02:40I wanted to keep carrying forward that

0:02:43you know backup and restore so I have

0:02:45all my stuff and don't have to set up an

0:02:46email account and everything again so i

0:02:48have to be running the beta here but i

0:02:49find iOS betas to be just fine

0:02:52yeah they've been remarkably stable i

0:02:54think the entire iOS 10 beta really

0:02:57cycle has been remarkably stable i

0:02:59installed two days after dub DC for

0:03:02running the developed the Deaf beta and

0:03:04i have not a problem since like little

0:03:07little things here and there pretty

0:03:08little problems but but on my max I'm

0:03:10tend to be very conservative I don't

0:03:12like running that I don't run the

0:03:14developer beta is over the summer and

0:03:15and I haven't up i've upgraded my

0:03:18macbook which I don't really use that

0:03:20much at least I haven't been because

0:03:23they haven't been traveling lately so I

0:03:25i did install Sierra on that one but I'm

0:03:27not my imac at my desk i'm waiting I am

0:03:31exactly the same i did not install

0:03:32Sierra on this imac until the day after

0:03:35release because our thankfully we have a

0:03:38staff and I more now which is really

0:03:39lovely and Lori Gil kinda took . on all

0:03:43the mac OS see Eric of richmond i didn't

0:03:45have to worry about it so I had like

0:03:47seven devices like seven iOS devices

0:03:50running iOS 10 and no max in the house

0:03:52right here huh i just typed up time in

0:03:55the terminal so my imac's been up for 23

0:03:58days without a restart and it and i find

0:04:00that to be very typical like I just come

0:04:02in here every day and just hit the

0:04:04keyboard to wake up there are features

0:04:06i'm looking forward to I can't wait to

0:04:07you know get the thing where i can log

0:04:09in with my Apple watch and auto unlock

0:04:12yeah that's kind of fun and enjoyed that

0:04:14the last four days so I maybe by the

0:04:16next episode I record i will be running

0:04:18Sarah here and it does seem it seemed to

0:04:20me on on my macbook where I did upgrade

0:04:22the Sierra

0:04:23that it was the a least inconvenient

0:04:29major version of mac OS 10 upgrade I've

0:04:32ever done it seemed to me like almost

0:04:34nothing broker changed

0:04:36yeah i have had no problems created I

0:04:39haven't launched an adobe program yet so

0:04:41photoshop still could be completely

0:04:43worked and I wouldn't know it but i'm

0:04:45pretty sure i don't i haven't heard any

0:04:47complaining from my artist friends so I

0:04:48haven't really run into anything major

0:04:50where it's just completely broken or

0:04:52completely a pain and one of the reasons

0:04:53I'm so conservative upgrading a mac is

0:04:55that iced I'd have so many little super

0:04:57nerdy things that I install and setup

0:04:59when I like i have a president like i

0:05:01have a bunch of scripts are written for

0:05:02myself and pearl and they require perl

0:05:05modules from the cpanel open source

0:05:07repository and you just type some things

0:05:09on the command line and install them and

0:05:11every time I to my memory every time

0:05:13I've ever done a major upgrade of Mac

0:05:14os10 I've had to reinstall those because

0:05:18pearls considered part of the system now

0:05:21yeah and that makes is just ahead and I

0:05:23I accept it it makes sense to me but

0:05:26then this time I didn't have to all the

0:05:27stuff i had installed from Sipan was

0:05:29still there

0:05:31they finally the I you know the mac OS

0:05:33engineer's listen to you and said you

0:05:34know what we're just gonna make the the

0:05:37Pearl upgrade process easier this time

0:05:38is our friend in the back room that's

0:05:41all of who i'm actually going to go tell

0:05:43to quiet down in just a second there's a

0:05:45new puppy in the back fellow she gets

0:05:47really excited about my like having a

0:05:49dog on the show

0:05:50oh yeah people give it give it a little

0:05:52bit of color people got very mad at me

0:05:54like i said i don't like that

0:05:57oh I i am an equal-opportunity pet lover

0:06:01we have two dogs and one cat is out

0:06:03there we go that brings balance to the

0:06:05to the talk shit . and then the problem

0:06:09is a challenge to the force a problem

0:06:10with jim dalrymple agreed with are no

0:06:13i'm nothing against dogs dogs are great

0:06:16but I I grew up with cats are cats and

0:06:18then my fiancé owns dog so it's been a

0:06:21kind of like a merging of the households

0:06:23where we go i think the last time we had

0:06:25a dog barking in the background the show

0:06:27was Joanna stern when she had a her dog

0:06:30is really not be and I think I think an

0:06:32accident in the room while she was on

0:06:33the show are now his comic gold

0:06:36yep yep it's like okay let's talk about

0:06:39macbooks oh wait wait if I don't know so

0:06:42it seems to me like Apple as their

0:06:44upgrade mojo in place I and it just

0:06:48scanning the internet it seems like

0:06:50there were relatively few people whose

0:06:52you know seemingly on Twitter had any

0:06:54kind of problem upgrading either to iOS

0:06:5610 or to Sierra yeah and honestly this

0:07:00is probably when one of the smoother

0:07:02upgrade cycles that I've that I've seen

0:07:04on I on the on the Twitter webs i ate

0:07:08the only thing I've really seen

0:07:09complaints about the home button and

0:07:11even those who kind of tapered off after

0:07:13the first couple days you know they were

0:07:14the their the outrages of Lake why

0:07:16doesn't my slide to unlock work and even

0:07:19my personal trainer when I want to saw

0:07:21her lap see her last week she was she

0:07:23was very outraged at the idea of of

0:07:25having to change her home her unlocked

0:07:27behavior and then when I saw her the the

0:07:29next week she's like yeah I've gotten

0:07:31used to it it's fine

0:07:32that's an interesting change because

0:07:33it's one that I I've heard that too from

0:07:36you know real people and I've they what

0:07:41I recall is I think I started running

0:07:43the second developer beta maybe the

0:07:45third because i had like i was traveling

0:07:47in early July and I didn't want to take

0:07:49a chance while I was traveling so as

0:07:51soon as we got home from a trip in july

0:07:53that's when I started running the

0:07:54developer betas on my iPhone and I've at

0:07:57first like anybody else i was confused

0:08:00it seemed like getting into getting past

0:08:02the lock screen was weird and I just

0:08:05thought it but I remember thinking was I

0:08:07it's a beta i'm sure they'll figure this

0:08:09out by the end of the summer and they

0:08:11didn't really I don't think they

0:08:12actually changed anything it's just that

0:08:14eventually I I it became the new normal

0:08:17to me

0:08:18yeah it gets you get comfortable with it

0:08:19and then you switch back to a device

0:08:21running iOS 9 and you're like why won't

0:08:23you

0:08:23what what I'm just I'm trying to unlock

0:08:25you them and it's just seems normal now

0:08:29although I guess it's I guess it is it

0:08:32are there still a lot of people who

0:08:33don't have touch ID i don't think there

0:08:35are a ton of people who don't have touch

0:08:37ID but the like my personal trainer

0:08:40who's talking she's like I've never put

0:08:42a passcode on my iPhone and immediately

0:08:44I told her well here's one cure the

0:08:46reasons why you should put a passcode

0:08:47and touch ID on your iPhone

0:08:49but there are a lot of people who still

0:08:50don't do pass codes and don't do touch

0:08:52ID despite having touch ID enabled

0:08:54iphones we boggles my mind that's so

0:08:57easy that would be an interesting wonder

0:08:59what that is I've always thought and I

0:09:01think I do think it's true that the

0:09:03original slide to unlock a witch you

0:09:08know Apple if bragged about it was a big

0:09:10part of the original iphone the

0:09:13habitation that was a part of the ads it

0:09:15was a part of the brand it was actually

0:09:17a big part of their lawsuits with

0:09:19samsung system i forget i think they

0:09:22sued other people to write and it was

0:09:24movies held up it was like apple's

0:09:26version of of Amazon's one click you

0:09:28know like this is a ridiculous thing to

0:09:30be able to patent know this is actually

0:09:32genius you know arguments on both sides

0:09:34should be able to patent an idea that's

0:09:36so simple blah blah blah i really do

0:09:38think that that feature was designed for

0:09:41a phone that doesn't have a passcode

0:09:44oh yeah it's I mean it was designed in

0:09:46kind of the pre pasco era where I I

0:09:50don't think until my iphone4 that I

0:09:52really ever thought about having

0:09:53passcodes on my devices or thought

0:09:55seriously about like what it meant to

0:09:57protect the information that was on my

0:10:00device because the iphone 3g and 3gs I

0:10:03feel like all i all i had on those

0:10:05phones were like Twitter and and the

0:10:08camera app and I wasn't you know taking

0:10:10any pictures that were particularly

0:10:12sensitive and I wasn't doing a ton of

0:10:13banking on my phone because 3g networks

0:10:16at that point we're still slow but now I

0:10:18mean you know my-my 7 plus i feel like i

0:10:21can pretty much do my entire job on it

0:10:23I've you know I don't need another I

0:10:25don't need a computer for some things

0:10:27now I think that's definitely true

0:10:29yeah that's what I hear it from so many

0:10:32people but i just think we just didn't I

0:10:35don't know a quickie the whole industry

0:10:36both on the the company's side like

0:10:41apples side as the creator of this

0:10:43device and this operating system and on

0:10:46the consumer side and in it on our site

0:10:48is people who write about this stuff

0:10:50the last decade has been a real

0:10:52eye-opener in terms of privacy and

0:10:55security like I think before that we

0:10:57actually only thought of security as

0:10:58security that goes through bugs you know

0:11:00like oh there's a

0:11:02and exploits in windows XP and if you'd

0:11:06all you have to do is visit this website

0:11:07and you know at code can get run locally

0:11:11with full privileges under on your

0:11:12computer and you're in trouble and

0:11:14that's what we thought of it as as

0:11:15opposed to like just the privacy aspects

0:11:18of this system it doesn't have any bugs

0:11:20it's working as designed but if somebody

0:11:23picks up your phone and plugs into

0:11:24itunes they'll just be able to see all

0:11:26your stuff you know

0:11:28yeah yeah and it's i mean the the scary

0:11:32thing about that is really the social

0:11:35engineering part of it where it even

0:11:37even I think until really we got it with

0:11:40Snowden and we got it with even mr.

0:11:43robot of all things alerting people to

0:11:45the idea of like yeah if people know

0:11:48your security questions or a couple of

0:11:49facts about you they can pretty much

0:11:51take over your life like I remember

0:11:52doing a mat Honan species from a few

0:11:54years ago

0:11:55yeah yeah about his password dilemmas

0:11:57and troubles and how basically somebody

0:11:59took over all of his stuff and like that

0:12:01that kind of stuff is I think an

0:12:03eye-opener for a definitely was an

0:12:05eye-opener for a lot of the tech

0:12:07concerted audience but it's still I

0:12:09think making its way towards the general

0:12:11public the general public is worried

0:12:13about security and this broad nebulous

0:12:15idea but they don't really think about

0:12:17it on a very discreet you know

0:12:19individual basis like like talking to my

0:12:21personal trainer if someone picks up if

0:12:23you go to Africa and someone picks up

0:12:25your phone

0:12:26they could basically steal your identity

0:12:29no problem

0:12:30true she was going to Africa it's not

0:12:33just like random picking Africa picking

0:12:36on africa and i also think the iphone

0:12:38and that therefore iOS particular also

0:12:41started on are on the wrong foot in some

0:12:43ways because it's in some ways I think

0:12:46Apple had conceived of it as as much as

0:12:49the successor to the ipod as it was to

0:12:54the mac and so yes there were some you

0:12:57know some aspects of whatever you want

0:12:59to call the original the original

0:13:00version of iOS when I think of it didn't

0:13:02even have a name it was called like

0:13:04iphone OS iphone OS yeah and even had

0:13:07like marketing material that they even

0:13:09called it OS 10 it was like runs OS 10

0:13:11you know they didn't know what to call

0:13:12it at first but a lot of it was

0:13:15was a sort of stripped out by the idea

0:13:18that it was sort of more like an ipod

0:13:20which never had any real sort of

0:13:22security right you you could always just

0:13:24plug an ipod into another computer and

0:13:26see what was on it

0:13:27oh you had drm music for a long time are

0:13:30you have music it was one way transfer

0:13:31basically he was really more on the the

0:13:34format of the files you bought from the

0:13:36store than the device itself mom and you

0:13:40know just wasn't a protective device i

0:13:42mean you could really just plug somebody

0:13:43else's iphone into your you know your

0:13:45mac and you know communicate over USB so

0:13:49they had you know obviously come a long

0:13:50way from there to here and i do think

0:13:52that the slide to unlock just didn't

0:13:54really fit you know touch ID is slide

0:13:57and slide to unlock for the modern

0:14:00secure world

0:14:02yeah it's the this is the easy way to

0:14:04open your phone after you've put it some

0:14:08level of security know and especially as

0:14:10they rolled out touch ID to more places

0:14:12including like on iOS 10 a little

0:14:15feature that I even noticed today is if

0:14:17you go into a Apple music and you're

0:14:18signing into your user account you as

0:14:22long as you have touch ID enabled for

0:14:23for iTunes you can now use your

0:14:25fingerprint for that you don't even have

0:14:27to enter in your password and like these

0:14:28weird random places of the OS which I

0:14:31think was even still a thing and in iOS

0:14:339 where they were still like some areas

0:14:35where you had to type out your long

0:14:36complicated password and now it's all

0:14:38like as long as you're already in the

0:14:40system you can authorize just about

0:14:42anything with with a touch ID

0:14:44fingerprint it does seem like I've had

0:14:46to type my passwords in fewer times it

0:14:48and again one of the little things that

0:14:49it seems like it's so annoying that we

0:14:54notice it when we're getting badgered by

0:14:56and we yell at apple for it and then we

0:14:58don't really notice when they fix it and

0:15:00so we don't have to give them the little

0:15:01pat on the head and say thank you Apple

0:15:03you know yeah it did that the number of

0:15:06times where i used to have to I just be

0:15:08out and I would just get prompted for my

0:15:10my iCloud password and it would even

0:15:13tell me why right it's just like it's

0:15:15just like this random thing right but it

0:15:18does seem to me anecdotally at least for

0:15:20me personally that I i don't see that as

0:15:22much as I almost never it's almost never

0:15:24inexplicable it's always got like a next

0:15:27time

0:15:27action therefore I don't feel bad about

0:15:29it mhm so good good 24 apple on that so

0:15:33beforehand on the back before we get

0:15:34into details let's while we're on this

0:15:36subject let's try to lie i have a at

0:15:39least one but think about the things

0:15:41that Apple still has a lot of you know

0:15:44where they falling short on their

0:15:46upgrade you know when you upgrade

0:15:49devices

0:15:50overall I think they're getting really

0:15:51good at it but i'll give you an example

0:15:53and i know this is gotta be worse for

0:15:55you than me because I think you have

0:15:57more apple watches yet i was gonna say

0:15:5920 it is their example involve upgrading

0:16:01to a new Apple watch and creating time

0:16:04to Apple watch is the worst it

0:16:07yeah takes forever and if you forget to

0:16:10do it in the right order you've got to

0:16:12start all over from scratch

0:16:14you just want to say it that you want to

0:16:16put like a don't know what the head to

0:16:18the desk kind of a thing it's it's very

0:16:20frustrating especially I don't you know

0:16:22as as people who are dealing with review

0:16:25units having certain Apple watch is

0:16:27paired to certain devices and some of

0:16:29them being backups of your old phone and

0:16:31some of them not being backups of your

0:16:33old phone and then trying to switch

0:16:35those watches from one device to another

0:16:37is pretty much impossible unless they're

0:16:38on your Apple ID and on your specific

0:16:40back up there basically tied to the

0:16:42phone and that's that that's the thing

0:16:44that like took me awhile to wrap my head

0:16:46around is like if you're your Apple

0:16:49watch is not a separate device it's your

0:16:52Apple watch and your iphone and all of

0:16:54the backups get stored basically as your

0:16:57iphone backup so if you pear and apple

0:16:59watch to a brand-new iphone that you

0:17:01haven't restored from backup and then

0:17:03you're like oh I want to switch that

0:17:05Apple watch to you know a backdrop

0:17:07iphone on your you're going to be a

0:17:09little bit of trouble you're not here

0:17:10not going to be very happy

0:17:12I i find that the the thing that gets me

0:17:15is the fact that you don't get your

0:17:17watch backed up until you on parent it

0:17:21from yes phone and that feels so wrong

0:17:24to me and I don't see how any normal

0:17:26person nobody normal person would ever

0:17:27ever think that that's how it should be

0:17:30done and even if they're told that

0:17:32that's how it's done it it doesn't look

0:17:34like you're doing the right thing like

0:17:37even if you're just need somebody says

0:17:40here's what you do with your new iphone

0:17:42first unpair your home or your watches

0:17:44you from your old phone

0:17:46well under the backing up your old phone

0:17:48then restore your new phone from that

0:17:50back up and then your watch as you knew

0:17:53it will still be there and then you can

0:17:55repair the watch and it'll go right back

0:17:56to where it was but when you go through

0:17:58those steps

0:17:59it doesn't look like you're doing that

0:18:01it looks like you're racing your watch

0:18:04yeah it and there's no there's no good

0:18:07dialogue from that box and it is i'm

0:18:09pretty sure the watch does get backed up

0:18:11nightly the same way that the iphone

0:18:12does know there's an iCloud backup

0:18:14no it doesn't because there are there

0:18:16are intermediary backups that are made

0:18:18however if you want to upgrade so let's

0:18:21say I'm going from a watch series 02 a

0:18:24watch series 2 and I don't unpair the

0:18:26watch series 0 before i go to the series

0:18:29to the most recent backup I might find

0:18:31this might be 2-3 days old it's not

0:18:34going to be current which means you're

0:18:35not going to have your move data and

0:18:36you're not gonna have your activity

0:18:37stuff or it might be even older if it

0:18:39didn't if the backup didn't go through

0:18:41properly and that's really frustrating

0:18:43the fact that you can't like and there's

0:18:45no even there's no way to make a manual

0:18:47backup unless you and parrot what you

0:18:50were talking about which is like that is

0:18:52the most frustrating thing because

0:18:54legally when people people Google like

0:18:57how to backup your watch and it's not

0:18:59how to backup your watches how to unpair

0:19:01your watch which also makes a backup

0:19:04like why couldn't there just be a button

0:19:05apple like really I I don't even see how

0:19:08you can see where your latest backup is

0:19:10I don't know that you can i'm looking

0:19:12only way the only way that you can see

0:19:14where your latest backup is is when

0:19:16you're pairing a new watch

0:19:18right which is really dumb because

0:19:19that's that I ran into that in a weird

0:19:23kind of where I had this complicated i

0:19:26had a backup of my phone or I had

0:19:28restored an iphone 7 review unit from

0:19:31the regular backup of my phone so it was

0:19:33running my

0:19:34all my apps and everything else and then

0:19:36I had a watch that I was you know doing

0:19:38some dad doing some activity data on and

0:19:41then i switched to my jet black iphone 7

0:19:45plus which came in and the iphone 7 plus

0:19:47i had restored from an iphone backup but

0:19:50i restored from an iphone backup like

0:19:52two days prior

0:19:53so the seven plus and the seven were two

0:19:57days off in terms of backups

0:19:59so when I got my new my prop mine on

0:20:02review Apple watch series 2 and I went

0:20:03to pair it with the with the jet-black

0:20:05on iphone 7 plus it was only showing me

0:20:10Apple watch backups that were two days

0:20:12old or more because it couldn't see that

0:20:15despite the fact that these phones were

0:20:17essentially going to the same iCloud

0:20:19backup and had the same information on

0:20:21them and like had the same health data

0:20:23even because of it being an iCloud it

0:20:27couldn't see the apple watch backups

0:20:29that the iphone 7 mate because in I

0:20:32clouds mind it was an iphone 7 plus

0:20:35Apple watch combo and an iphone 7 plus

0:20:37plus Apple watch combo and it's just

0:20:41like that it's it's the same iCloud

0:20:44account it's so frustrating i really

0:20:46hope that they put some effort into that

0:20:48and I can almost surprised they haven't

0:20:49because i always think like okay so

0:20:51whens people like me and you sit here

0:20:54and complain and it's worse for us

0:20:56because i'm on my third iphone 7 now I

0:20:59to review units and when i bought and

0:21:02now owned and only the one watch I'm

0:21:05still wearing a review unit watch

0:21:07because i don't know what i want to buy

0:21:08for myself but it I realized that it's

0:21:10you know it's a tiny little violin is

0:21:14playing sad music for because you know

0:21:16we have this all you have all of these

0:21:17fall yeah we have these also all these

0:21:19gadgets to play with and but I i just

0:21:22had can't help but think and I know that

0:21:24they're not supposed to solve these

0:21:24problems for us because we're edge cases

0:21:26but even normal people who just bought

0:21:28one new phone it's it's terrible if you

0:21:30go through and didn't remember to unpair

0:21:32your watch first

0:21:33yeah at the worst part is if you're

0:21:35wearing your yeah if you're wearing your

0:21:37watch and it's still paired to your old

0:21:38phone and you don't think about pairing

0:21:40it to your new phone until a couple days

0:21:42after you've had your new phone which is

0:21:44entirely likely because people

0:21:46again you treat the Apple watches a

0:21:48separate device for a certain period was

0:21:50what you're saying with the first iphone

0:21:51right where it's like they're treating

0:21:54the apple watch is pretty much a

0:21:55separate device so it has gps now you

0:21:57can go outside for walks and you leave

0:21:59your iphone at home but it is still tied

0:22:02to the iphone and that's something

0:22:03that's not really marketed enough

0:22:05outside of the yet uses the iphone

0:22:07cellular signal no it is it is an iphone

0:22:09accessory so if it's not tied to your

0:22:11right iphone then everything falls apart

0:22:13and that's that is something that i can

0:22:15see being very confusing for the average

0:22:17user and something will just throw their

0:22:19hands up about well and she's the thing

0:22:20is that surely there must be a lot of

0:22:22people inside Apple who go through the

0:22:24same thing because they are using test

0:22:26devices so they know that that's why I'm

0:22:28a little surprised that they haven't

0:22:29addressed this I mean like I think it's

0:22:32one of the reasons why'd you are now

0:22:34able to have multiple watches paired

0:22:36with one phone

0:22:38oh yeah and you know part of it is that

0:22:40of course yeah if you want to buy a

0:22:42couple Apple watches Apple would love to

0:22:44sell you a couple but I'm sure that part

0:22:46of the reason that it's in there is that

0:22:47some of the most likes to tease the most

0:22:49likely people did to have several Apple

0:22:52watches at the same time or people

0:22:53inside Apple who are testing a new you

0:22:55know either news new software or new

0:22:57hardware both ya gotta get better

0:23:01it absolutely has to and I'm i mean i'm

0:23:04hopeful especially as the as the watch

0:23:07vaults but it's still it's a pain . yeah

0:23:09and it also seems like one thing in

0:23:11Syria I didn't put a stop watch to it so

0:23:13maybe it's just it went from really bad

0:23:16to sort of kind of bad but this is the

0:23:18wireless network speed between your

0:23:20phone and the watch or something is so

0:23:23unbelievably slow real painful like I

0:23:29swear I had what I was restoring this

0:23:30watch after i got it just went through

0:23:34this again over the weekend where I had

0:23:35two unpaired because now I have it

0:23:37paired with the phone that I own myself

0:23:38and I let it go for an hour and came

0:23:42back to it and it was still on that

0:23:43spinning that slow spin around the

0:23:46outside on now I was like this is crazy

0:23:48and I did you restore your apps to uh

0:23:51yeah I don't have that on my phone but

0:23:54even so yeah exactly it just it takes

0:23:56when i was $DAY i did a ton of speed too

0:23:59because I got a I got a series to review

0:24:02unit but i also bought a series one for

0:24:03myself and then I had my original series

0:24:050 and I was doing like cross crossways

0:24:09speed discs on all of these and the one

0:24:11thing like the series to like blows the

0:24:13series 10 out of the water in a in a

0:24:16bunch of different ways the original

0:24:17generation Apple watch but when it comes

0:24:20to barking dogs when it comes to the

0:24:24difference between like serious two

0:24:27series 1 and the original generation

0:24:29Apple watch and boot time or restore

0:24:32time like the boot time on an Apple

0:24:35watch series 2 is still over a minute

0:24:38the boot time on series 0 is like two

0:24:40and a half minutes but it's still like

0:24:42if I'm waiting a minute and 20 seconds

0:24:45for my watch to startup problems i'm

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0:27:04OS anything along those lines

0:27:06overall I find it pretty smooth and the

0:27:10only thing that I think is a little bit

0:27:13frustrating is the as much as I love the

0:27:15over-the-air download process for iOS on

0:27:19it can be very frustrating to update if

0:27:22you're on-the-go obviously because it's

0:27:24a big download to build the iOS 10

0:27:26download was a gigabyte but the problem

0:27:29is because of the way that the the

0:27:31download currently works say i'm waiting

0:27:34around for my download to fit like it's

0:27:36update day right it's its release day

0:27:38and i've downloaded half of the release

0:27:40half of iOS 10 to my iphone and then for

0:27:43some reason i need to go out and do an

0:27:44errant well I can either leave the phone

0:27:47at home and you know what the wreath

0:27:49that it was going maybe like 10 kilobits

0:27:51a second

0:27:52that'll be that would be downloaded

0:27:54maybe half downloaded by the time I get

0:27:55back or you know maybe i need the phone

0:27:58while I'm out and about and if i take

0:28:00the phone and I leave while its wallets

0:28:03downloading there's no place where I can

0:28:05be like pause my download while I go off

0:28:07Wi-Fi go to my area and then come back

0:28:10and resume my download and still have

0:28:12that half of the update that i

0:28:14downloaded back like you can do that

0:28:16with pretty you can do that on safari

0:28:17for the mac you can do that even with

0:28:19iOS apps at this point with paws

0:28:21download on but there's no way to do

0:28:23that for

0:28:24the for these big updates I realize

0:28:26that's like this again maybe a bit of an

0:28:28edge case but i know a lot of people who

0:28:30don't end up updating to iOS 10 because

0:28:32they don't find time to even with I you

0:28:36know apples been a done a lot better

0:28:37with the like install while I'm sleeping

0:28:40and stuff like that in the auto install

0:28:43night like that that's all really nice I

0:28:45really nice improvements to this feature

0:28:48but it's still it runs you know there

0:28:50are still people who they start to

0:28:53install it and they think its installed

0:28:55because they started the process and

0:28:56they don't even think oh you know if I

0:28:59leave my house before the install

0:29:00process is completed it's never it's

0:29:02just going to stop the install process

0:29:04and I'm never gonna get it installed

0:29:05like just the average user is not

0:29:08obsessive about download things they

0:29:10just they've they've gotten used to the

0:29:11ios app you know now i'm downloading an

0:29:14iOS app and the ios app is going to

0:29:16download wherever I am or it'll you know

0:29:18if even if it can't get a good network

0:29:20connection or five cellular data turned

0:29:22off while i'm running around it will

0:29:23come back and finish downloading when I

0:29:25want to get back to my computer but the

0:29:27but the update is not like that so

0:29:29that's my like nitpicky complaint i

0:29:31can't really think it's too many other

0:29:32ones I me neither but i agree with you

0:29:36here's one thing that if we're going to

0:29:38skip around but we talk about iOS 10 and

0:29:42what it's how it's faring in the real

0:29:44world

0:29:44I'm hearing from I want to drop names

0:29:48but people in the house that the the

0:29:55heavier doses of 3d touch to do things

0:29:59or force touch whatever they call it on

0:30:01with I guess on iOS it's called 3d touch

0:30:03is not not a welcome addition to the

0:30:07operating system not a welcome addition

0:30:09how that it's too confusing or not

0:30:13intuitive when you need to press hard

0:30:15and when you just need to normally tap

0:30:17and that having these things that like

0:30:22just to do the stickers in messages that

0:30:24you have to force touch on the arrow we

0:30:26had to move it

0:30:29i I'd see some merit in that and to me

0:30:32it's sort of like the old one button

0:30:35mouse vs2 button

0:30:37mouse argument where it seemed like it

0:30:41but maybe maybe a little different

0:30:45because it seemed like in the old days

0:30:47when Apple obstinately seemingly

0:30:49obstinately stuck to a one button mouse

0:30:51when you know every single piano is a

0:30:54fundamental aspect of the windows user

0:30:56interface that there were things you

0:30:57would right click on like I don't you

0:31:00couldn't really even properly use

0:31:01Windows without a 2-button mouse and I

0:31:03don't know that anybody I don't even

0:31:05know that you could buy it like a one

0:31:07button mouse for pc it wasn't even like

0:31:10that thing whereas and it seems like

0:31:12everybody like the consensus among the

0:31:14Nerds was that Apple is just sticking to

0:31:16this out of spite

0:31:18whereas what I saw was that this is sure

0:31:21if you're a power user you can go buy a

0:31:232-button mouse mouse with the scroll

0:31:25wheel and plug it in and it will work

0:31:27but for most people

0:31:29all they have to do is understand click

0:31:30and having just one type of click is

0:31:33fundamentally it's so much simpler than

0:31:36even just having two types of clicks let

0:31:38alone the crazy gaming mice you can buy

0:31:41with you know 20 different buttons but

0:31:43even just going from 1 to 2 is a huge

0:31:45difference and you do you know I I'd

0:31:47everybody has seen people in a

0:31:49real-world whoo-hoo like it don't know

0:31:51what to click on what to double-click on

0:31:53and stuff like that like click and

0:31:55double-click was confusing enough for

0:31:57some people it's 55 and I felt like that

0:31:59was part of the genius of iOS was

0:32:02dialing that all the way back to just

0:32:03tap everything is a tap and I think

0:32:07force touch convoluted that to some

0:32:09degree

0:32:10yeah I mean we were already getting into

0:32:13more advanced options with things like

0:32:15long presses which have existed i don't

0:32:19know at least at least 45 iOS

0:32:21generations maybe more on an earlier

0:32:24with the with third-parties I see 3d

0:32:27touch a lot in the way that I see a

0:32:30two-button mice on you know 1990s early

0:32:33two thousands Apple computers which is

0:32:36there's not really anything on an iphone

0:32:39at least that I can think of where 3d

0:32:41touch is necessary to do a core function

0:32:44you know 3d touch makes it faster to

0:32:47open the battery pain and settings but

0:32:49you can still get to the battery pain if

0:32:50you

0:32:51tap on settings and then tap on battery

0:32:52and then tap on low power mode on

0:32:55i likey you think of something in like I

0:32:57can think of stuff on the watch where

0:32:59you need force press two to do extra

0:33:01things but is there any is there s is

0:33:04there something besides maybe stickers

0:33:06where you really need a force press

0:33:07messages is one where there's certain

0:33:10things that you seem to have to force

0:33:11press and any other thing is to interact

0:33:13with the notification widgets right it's

0:33:16yeah seems like it's true but again you

0:33:18can tap on the notification widget and

0:33:20it will send you to the right area i get

0:33:23it but it seems like a me to just name

0:33:26one person doesn't always mean yeah and

0:33:30and sees you know she seems frustrated

0:33:32that sometimes she thinks she's pressing

0:33:34plenty hard enough to get a force touch

0:33:36and it's not registering yeah well that

0:33:39that i think is an absolutely valid

0:33:41complaint in that force touch sometimes

0:33:44works marvelously and i have i have my

0:33:46force to our fresh force touch 3d touch

0:33:49press firmly i have my setting to the

0:33:52latest version so that it will trigger

0:33:54almost immediately once i start pressing

0:33:56down on the screen and i would say it

0:33:58works about 75% of the time that's not

0:34:01God know exactly and it's like I mean it

0:34:04it it will work other times but other

0:34:06times it requires a little bit firmer

0:34:07press and i'm not sure if there's it's

0:34:09because there's something on my fingers

0:34:10or if it's just the screen is you know

0:34:12miss reading but yeah that's a little

0:34:14it's a little bit frustrating and the

0:34:16place where I noticed it the most is

0:34:18turning the keyboard if you if you press

0:34:21firmly on the when the keyboards active

0:34:23you can turn that into a movable cursor

0:34:25yeah and I use that all the time when

0:34:27I'm writing on iOS and it was very I

0:34:30don't know very noticeable for me I i

0:34:32would just I will reiterate that is my

0:34:34favorite 3d touch feature I find with

0:34:37the first time I saw it last year I was

0:34:39like oh i will use that all the time and

0:34:41never ceded to forget that it existed at

0:34:44the time for listeners of the show if

0:34:45you take one thing away we go right down

0:34:47actual note while you listen to us talk

0:34:49the one thing I would emphasize is

0:34:51remember that you can force touch on the

0:34:53keyboard to make the cursor like a mouse

0:34:55cursor that you can move around because

0:34:57once you really do internalize that and

0:34:59and you don't even have to root you

0:35:01don't have to think about it to use it

0:35:02is the best tech

0:35:04editing changed since the original

0:35:07iphone yes it's copy and paste quite

0:35:09honestly i don't i don't use the library

0:35:11use the loop

0:35:12however like whatever price you got a

0:35:15notification that you want to reply to

0:35:17like the messages one would be an

0:35:20example to eat pot has it now for dm's

0:35:22you have to force touch on it to get the

0:35:24inline don't even open the app just let

0:35:26me reply right here

0:35:27I ya know if it looks like if you just

0:35:30tap the notification that will send you

0:35:31directly into the app but I mean I get

0:35:34that little shortcuts to get that short

0:35:35but again we're talking about shortcuts

0:35:37we're not talking about things where

0:35:39it's like or you know what actually I

0:35:41take it back because if it appears at

0:35:43the top of the screen you can drag down

0:35:46and it will give you the the information

0:35:48so you can drag on it the same way that

0:35:50you couldn't I think iOS 9 or iOS 8 and

0:35:53it would give you the same kind of and

0:35:54further preview if it were up to me I

0:35:57think I would make I i think it I think

0:36:01that force touch should only and always

0:36:03be a shortcut for a long press yes they

0:36:07agree with that you anything that you do

0:36:09with a force touch if you just hold

0:36:11their you'll get the same thing and I

0:36:14think that would be an accessibility win

0:36:16because i think it would help for

0:36:17anybody who actually can't press hard

0:36:19enough and I think conceptually it would

0:36:21simplify things and I know that there

0:36:23are some conflicts like right now you

0:36:26force touch on an app icon on the home

0:36:28screen to get the list of shortcuts for

0:36:30that app and you long press to get into

0:36:33google mode when you rearrange apps but

0:36:35is so annoying I we should just do both

0:36:38yeah i think it should just be one

0:36:39shortcut and then one of the options for

0:36:41every app would be like edit . it

0:36:44exactly and you know and use like an

0:36:46icon to indicate that you know I'm sure

0:36:48there's some visual way that you could

0:36:49indicate like this is how you get to the

0:36:50old jiggle mode

0:36:51mhm it could easily be tied together

0:36:56like that I know the one that I remember

0:36:57is if you go to the Apple weather app

0:36:59and you go to the list of cities or

0:37:04locations i tried to rearrange them

0:37:07before a trip to move like where i was

0:37:09going up to be like like number two so I

0:37:11could always go right right beneath the

0:37:14local you know wherever I am

0:37:15and I couldn't remember how to rearrange

0:37:17the city's thank you for the life of me

0:37:19I just kept force touching on them and

0:37:20it it just kept opening them and took me

0:37:23like a minute to remember

0:37:24press and hold the press press firmly no

0:37:27press firmly on the site

0:37:29press press slightly rearranged press

0:37:32firmly to like pull up a pop-up right

0:37:34and then if while you're waiting for the

0:37:37whole be long enough to start pressing

0:37:39too hard to open up that those little

0:37:42things are so frustrating especially if

0:37:45you are you know somebody who goes in

0:37:48between pressing firmly and long

0:37:49processes like trying to rearrange your

0:37:51app icons that's that is that's kind of

0:37:54an exercise in frustration and maybe

0:37:56just not enough ppl rearrange their app

0:37:59icons on a regular basis anymore they

0:38:01just they don't care about the way their

0:38:03home screen looks or because I feel like

0:38:05Apple must be getting complaints about

0:38:07this right

0:38:08oh I'm trying to rearrange my icons and

0:38:09I can't remember how to do it anywhere

0:38:11I don't know just I don't think it could

0:38:15be made together I feel like they yeah

0:38:17you know be like an iOS 11 change not

0:38:20like an iOS 10.2 change but I feel like

0:38:23long press and force touch could be

0:38:25unified i think so and it may it may be

0:38:28one of those things where I'm sorry the

0:38:33lower right yeah I think rick is coming

0:38:38home so they're really excited

0:38:40yeah I i think it may be something we're

0:38:43in iOS 11 we may see a more drastic

0:38:47change to the home screen or something

0:38:49like that where they're kind of like we

0:38:50know this is a hack job right now but we

0:38:54promise it will all go away soon and I

0:38:56under like one part part of me

0:38:58understands that from a ok we're working

0:39:02towards a bigger objective in a bigger

0:39:03picture here but the fact remains that

0:39:053d touch has now been an operation or

0:39:07will be an operation for two whole

0:39:09release cycles and to say like this is a

0:39:11hand wave we're going to make it better

0:39:13soon at for 42 years worth is that's

0:39:16stretching it for the average user

0:39:17that's that's kind of painful it is

0:39:20interesting to me watching the reaction

0:39:22of people who are you know all new to

0:39:25iOS 10 and you know we we talked before

0:39:27about the

0:39:28the home button change where you have to

0:39:30you know there's no more swipe to unlock

0:39:32seems like at first an awful lot of

0:39:36people objected to some of the visual

0:39:40changes in iOS 10 which i think in broad

0:39:45terms of like the new control center and

0:39:47that yeah in a way that would the

0:39:49widgets look more like Windows you know

0:39:53there's like a 3d pneus and Anna they

0:39:56don't go there not full with they have

0:39:58entire you know they're encapsulated a

0:40:00little bubbly yeah there's just a little

0:40:02bit more depth to the interface it is it

0:40:05you know to over you know to borrow and

0:40:08overused term from when I was seven came

0:40:09out it's it's less flat and not so much

0:40:13in a way that the actual individual

0:40:15buttons and little windows themselves

0:40:18have 3d but that the layering of where

0:40:20they are in the system is more 3d I like

0:40:23it a lot

0:40:23I think it's actually to me it's like

0:40:26iOS 10 has really it's just shows how

0:40:31many how long it takes to get a major

0:40:34design right and to me I OS 10 is the

0:40:37one where the that what they were

0:40:39thinking with ios7 they've really dialed

0:40:43it back up to where the appropriate

0:40:45level of depth and imovie 08 to iMovie

0:40:4911 kind of thing

0:40:50yeah I is good well it just seems to me

0:40:54like people complain about it at first

0:40:55but it seems like right now as of now

0:40:57everybody now that it was really just

0:40:59the newness that bothered him and now go

0:41:01yeah they've got used to it

0:41:03well it's the anytime that you change

0:41:05someone's interaction path they're going

0:41:08to grumble about it for a little while

0:41:09same thing we were talking about what

0:41:10the touch ID and opening the phone where

0:41:13it's like the control center now having

0:41:15multiple cards initially that was a bit

0:41:17of a pain especially if you're dealing

0:41:19with sliders because if you don't tap on

0:41:22the right place for a slider you might

0:41:23accidentally slide the pain left right

0:41:25and you know putting things in slightly

0:41:28different places being like oh I can't

0:41:30find this anymore and where is this and

0:41:32how wide is Notification Center still

0:41:34have the wedges screen in it despite the

0:41:36fact that the widgets screen is now you

0:41:38know its own real thing on the left-hand

0:41:40side like there are still little bits

0:41:41and pieces

0:41:42here that I that are quite right but um

0:41:46I i wrote about this right after wdc in

0:41:48terms of the way that Apple has changed

0:41:50the visual narrative to really be about

0:41:53stacks and layers and about you know the

0:41:55home screen is kind of your neutral

0:41:57layer now and then apps pop up on top

0:42:00and you've got control center and

0:42:03notification center on top above

0:42:04everything else and it's just it's

0:42:06unified it now we're at it actually

0:42:08makes it and then the lock screen is on

0:42:10top of everything else because the lock

0:42:11screen is basically like keeping keeping

0:42:13you in this box like it's your opening

0:42:15the box you're pressing through with the

0:42:18with the home button to go into this box

0:42:20and it's I don't know from I am from a

0:42:22purely like tactile visual sense which

0:42:26is odd combination of words there but

0:42:29but really it is very pleasing I

0:42:32subconsciously I think and initially

0:42:34again people are going to be complaining

0:42:36about it because it doesn't it's not

0:42:38what they were used to write but I as

0:42:40you get used to it i think it becomes

0:42:41more and more comfortable and things

0:42:44make sense it's it goes from a i'm

0:42:47looking for this feature

0:42:49oh well now i'm getting trained i'm

0:42:51getting visually trained to be like okay

0:42:54well apps are you know apps are found by

0:42:56pulling something up or pulling you know

0:42:59pulling from a side of the screen or

0:43:00moving from side like this i don't know

0:43:02I i really i really like the direction

0:43:05they're going with this

0:43:06I one of the things that I think that

0:43:08they got wrong in iOS 7 and that they've

0:43:10been end to me they've really this is

0:43:13what the times 10 is really where they

0:43:14fixed it in a lot of ways is and this is

0:43:17something i think that I'm going to

0:43:19excuse a lot of it as it just takes more

0:43:21than one or two years to get a complete

0:43:24redesign right this is one of the things

0:43:27i think they could have gotten much

0:43:29better right from the start and for some

0:43:30reason whatever was in their heads

0:43:33collectively was wrong was making sure

0:43:36that the visual indication of like

0:43:38something that either on or off is

0:43:40absolutely

0:43:43in earlier this year and and i think it

0:43:47was there and I think it was a desire

0:43:49for aesthetic purposes to not use color

0:43:52is what burned them in iOS 7 and so for

0:43:55example here's what I'm looking at is

0:43:57the way that like when you have Wi-Fi on

0:43:59in control center

0:44:00it's just a bright vivid blue and then

0:44:03if you tap it to turn it off

0:44:04it is very clearly off because it's gray

0:44:07and drab I think that's one of my

0:44:10favorite changes it's just the way that

0:44:13they're more way more willing and iOS 10

0:44:14to use plops little little little bits

0:44:18of very vivid color to clearly indicate

0:44:21state in a way that that they weren't

0:44:23before

0:44:24ya a call i mean the color changes to

0:44:26iOS 10 i think i've been one of the the

0:44:29biggest improvements upon the flat

0:44:31design because you do it's like okay we

0:44:35can't use depth inside our buttons to

0:44:38show what's on what's off so let's

0:44:40actually use really bright vivid nice

0:44:43colors and you sell them kind of

0:44:44experimenting with that in the original

0:44:46music app and its really come kind of

0:44:49full circle now and you can kind of even

0:44:51see where they're going by looking at

0:44:53the new music app and the new maps app

0:44:55in terms of that like Boulder to Boulder

0:44:57design and using bright colors for for

0:45:00each of the entries i like that so much

0:45:02more than just here is black and here's

0:45:04gray alright here's one i got like I was

0:45:08like by my most explosive we popular

0:45:11tweet of the month was just the simple

0:45:15observation that the night shift button

0:45:17in control center again as an unusual

0:45:20prominence and others screen real estate

0:45:22large I don't understand like I never

0:45:26ever want to use this feature i don't

0:45:30like it i understand lots of people do a

0:45:32very popular with some people but I

0:45:34don't understand why it's so much more

0:45:35prominent dense than any of the five

0:45:38things at the top airplane mode Wi-Fi

0:45:39Bluetooth do not disturb and then

0:45:43rotation lock especially because night

0:45:46shift should be set automatically right

0:45:49right like did to go at a certain time

0:45:51right if you really like the feature why

0:45:53in the world wouldn't you have it set to

0:45:56and on at sundown it's I wonder if it's

0:45:59a placeholder for something that's what

0:46:01an awful lot of people suspect is that

0:46:05it's a placeholder but what is it that

0:46:07they think it's a placeholder for I

0:46:08don't know there is something there's an

0:46:12it's not occurring to me

0:46:13yeah i mean . you could you could argue

0:46:15play/pause button instead of the music

0:46:17having its own

0:46:18well that's the thing that's what I'm

0:46:19going that yeah they're people because i

0:46:21used to be room there for the little

0:46:23playback controls hm and people that

0:46:25does seem like one change that I think

0:46:27has merit and it's not just the

0:46:30resistance to change but that seems to

0:46:32me like real people are not happy with

0:46:35the playback controls being on a second

0:46:37screen

0:46:37yeah I don't haha I don't mind it so

0:46:41much it's just it's the problem of

0:46:42discovery right where people who are

0:46:45used to control center just having one

0:46:46pain they pull it up and they don't see

0:46:48the tiny dots at the bottom they just

0:46:51see the fact that there are no music

0:46:52control so they automatically assume

0:46:53that the music app just you can't

0:46:55control it from control center anymore

0:46:57it would be nice to be able to edit the

0:47:00control center though to make capital

0:47:02center something where you can configure

0:47:04it to be just what you use

0:47:07I completely agree to me maybe that's

0:47:10the the placeholder for night shift some

0:47:12people I'd I've also seen some people in

0:47:14response to my tweets a why can't it be

0:47:16like Notification Center we're just you

0:47:18know you pull down from the top and

0:47:19notification center is full screen

0:47:21why doesn't control center full screen

0:47:23there be room for everything on one

0:47:24screen and i think that the obvious

0:47:27answer to that is especially with the

0:47:29plus you can't reach the stuff at the

0:47:32top

0:47:32yeah you know that it's it seems very

0:47:35clearly designed to me that it's meant

0:47:38to be reachable with one thumb and then

0:47:41you know so therefore it really

0:47:43shouldn't can't be full screen

0:47:45yeah and if you try you can't use reach

0:47:49ability when control centers active you

0:47:51can with notification center but not

0:47:53with control center reach abilities a

0:47:56good one so I wrote in my iphone 7

0:48:00review that I had to turn reach ability

0:48:02off because i found myself constantly

0:48:04inadvertently invoking it

0:48:07anecdotally asking around with a bunch

0:48:10of friends on slack a the my friends a

0:48:16lot of my friends have run into this

0:48:17themselves and had to do the same thing

0:48:19turn off readability and B they reported

0:48:24that like the normals and their life I

0:48:26God have been running into the same

0:48:29thing and that the normal people have no

0:48:32idea what the hell reach ability is and

0:48:35that's just just don't know why their

0:48:37screen is going down halfway

0:48:39yeah I friend of the show John siracusa

0:48:41said that his is mom and voted on her

0:48:44iPad and his dad fixed it by restarting

0:48:46the ipad but that it was so confusing

0:48:50that it looked at it and I could see why

0:48:53it seems that almost seems like a

0:48:54drawing problem like if you run into is

0:48:56a bizarre bug where the the computer is

0:48:59drawing your screen halfway down

0:49:01oh my god you run into this or no you

0:49:03know I actually i was expecting to after

0:49:06hearing a bunch of people get really

0:49:07concerned about it with the new home

0:49:09button and I actually haven't at all

0:49:11I then maybe that's just because i have

0:49:15used reach ability a fair amount when

0:49:17i've been using the plus so I have

0:49:19figured out kind of a way to trigger it

0:49:20versus a way to just press the home

0:49:22button the bigger problem that i've

0:49:24actually been having and again this is

0:49:25kind of a niche thing but I've had a

0:49:26problem taking screenshots we're not

0:49:29used to have no problem whatsoever but

0:49:32because of the home button i now have

0:49:33the same problem that i have on the

0:49:34Apple watch where i have to press one

0:49:37button and then the other to really make

0:49:38the sure that the screenshot takes

0:49:40especially if i'm doing something weird

0:49:41like taking a picture of the camera app

0:49:43while the camera app is open

0:49:45I don't know why either I don't know why

0:49:48in and subjective subjective preference

0:49:53for the new home button versus the old

0:49:54home button aside I find that my

0:49:57screenshots have like a 50-percent

0:49:59failure right now

0:50:00uh-huh yeah neither the home button

0:50:03takes me home before the screenshot

0:50:06takes off or the power button hours off

0:50:09with his friends and often or even get

0:50:11off

0:50:13I i found i have found the opposite

0:50:16though I found that the only way I can

0:50:17get it to work reliably is to

0:50:19concentrate very hard

0:50:20and simultaneously post you know very

0:50:22with much concentration pressing both

0:50:24buttons at the citizen it's even worse

0:50:27on the plus model too because it's so

0:50:28darn big

0:50:30she's trying to time it is impossible

0:50:33that's right anyway minor like those are

0:50:35truly truly firstworldproblems yes and

0:50:38not not a huge deal but but you know

0:50:41it's things things that I certainly

0:50:43wouldn't be adverse to an apple engineer

0:50:45looking at and being like maybe we need

0:50:47to adjust the timing

0:50:48yeah I trying to think what else people

0:50:53are complaining about like that might be

0:50:55it

0:50:56I yeah I hmmm on the iphone people i

0:51:02mean people are complaining about the

0:51:03home button behavior that aside or just

0:51:06the feel of the home button but I i

0:51:08don't know i really like the new home

0:51:10button that's better for it

0:51:12yeah what setting do you use i'm

0:51:15currently i have the hardest click on

0:51:16because I do let me just like the tap

0:51:18the feel of the taptic engine so I like

0:51:21having kind of that that Rumble when i

0:51:24press it on the the home button but i

0:51:26also like kinda III Matthew pans Reno

0:51:29mentioned this in his review and I

0:51:31thought that it was quite quite smart he

0:51:33was saying oh I switch switch the the

0:51:35severity of the taptic engine when i'm

0:51:38doing things where I don't want to wake

0:51:39up my baby or I want to do you know I

0:51:41want to access the home button while i'm

0:51:43on a podcast and I don't want to disturb

0:51:45anybody and I'm like that's actually

0:51:46brilliant because they're so there have

0:51:48been so many times where i'm like i want

0:51:50to test out an iphone or testing feature

0:51:52in the middle of a podcast but but the

0:51:54click on an old iphone especially if

0:51:57you're doing it anywhere near the mic is

0:51:58that is pretty prominent and it's it's

0:52:01like a click on an old uh click on an

0:52:03old trackpad or an old mouse i am still

0:52:06firmly in the i prefer the old the hold

0:52:10button a button and either it's been

0:52:12enough time now that i think it's i

0:52:16think it you know I forget when do I get

0:52:18this one that I start using this must

0:52:20have been three weeks three weeks yeah

0:52:21but I can accept and Wi-Fi had that

0:52:26feeling right from the start even just a

0:52:27day in I was like I don't think I like

0:52:29this I think

0:52:31I prefer the other way but it's fine i'm

0:52:34also on button button level three other

0:52:38friend of the show though Ben Thompson

0:52:39of strategic Rephaim is he loves the new

0:52:44button and and that's where I'm going

0:52:46with this is that it is very clear that

0:52:47I don't like it as much other people you

0:52:49Ben Thompson like it referred to the old

0:52:53button been also is a proponent of

0:52:56setting one he thinks that uh that

0:52:58setting three is for people who want to

0:53:00fake a button and that you should go

0:53:02with the flow that it's not a not a

0:53:05button and he likes it on setting number

0:53:08one and so I on his advice i spent a day

0:53:11and a half on setting one and I guess I

0:53:13can kind of see it but then when I went

0:53:14back to three I was like although this

0:53:16is much nicer now I you know I just like

0:53:19tactile sensation to this is like this

0:53:21is the same reason why sometimes i will

0:53:23just open up the date picker and just

0:53:25play with it on the new models because

0:53:26it's just like it's it's nice to feel

0:53:28you on that i was thinking i I'm so glad

0:53:33you said that because you mentioned with

0:53:35the control center when you go to change

0:53:38the brightness slider

0:53:39yeah you if you miss you actually just

0:53:41slide over to music

0:53:43we should have a little tactic feedback

0:53:45for the slider how that's a great idea

0:53:47was a little tick tick tick

0:53:49ya soon as you then you know that you've

0:53:51got the little that the thing that you

0:53:54actually slide em actually already have

0:53:56the haptic and control center when you

0:53:58slide up right you don't have a haptic

0:54:00sliding side to side

0:54:01well it would later no confirm for you

0:54:04that you've you've got the oven or

0:54:06whatever I i honestly think right now in

0:54:09iOS 10 1002 I think we're on on the main

0:54:13seed not tactic feedback is very I don't

0:54:16want to say half hazard Lee implemented

0:54:19but it's very much like the engineers

0:54:22put in a bunch of potential things and

0:54:24then left out a bunch of potential other

0:54:25ones like let's see what sticks

0:54:27let's see what people like let's see if

0:54:29instead you know people might write and

0:54:31say we hate all this tactic stuff but

0:54:33every like there are places where i feel

0:54:35like i should have tactic like in notes

0:54:37tapping on a note to change to the

0:54:39keyboard view I I wanted like a little

0:54:42click there to let me know

0:54:44I'm an editing view oh I'm out of

0:54:46editing view or have you um no it's like

0:54:49think it comes up like way and the way

0:54:51that when you spin the datepicker it

0:54:53feels like it's spinning in the

0:54:54direction that you are spinning yeah the

0:54:57keyboard when it slides up should have

0:55:00like a slight chunk that would just

0:55:02shake the signified yeah I had like a

0:55:05slider phone and you'd you know like the

0:55:07old palm pre you know obviously when you

0:55:10slid the keyboard down it felt like

0:55:12something was sliding down because it

0:55:14was

0:55:14mhm well and you have you have that

0:55:17feeling for control center anyway so

0:55:18it's a haptic that's already implemented

0:55:20it was gonna go to any same as the

0:55:22control central yeah

0:55:24have you used this is my favorite haptic

0:55:27maybe in the in the system if you go

0:55:30over on the digital on the digital

0:55:32keyboard on and you hold down not for

0:55:35impressed mind you just long long press

0:55:37on say the dash button it brings up a

0:55:40little haptic to to change it from a

0:55:43dash to an end to an end dash to an em

0:55:45dash to a bullet and then when you're

0:55:47sliding between those you have haptic

0:55:49for all of those little those little

0:55:51options and that is my favorite like as

0:55:54soon as i discovered that that made me

0:55:57look towards the future where I was

0:55:58saying like where things are not so

0:56:00haphazardly implemented and when perhaps

0:56:02we might have the battery life to be

0:56:04able to put the entire keyboard haptic

0:56:06which I actually I really want to see a

0:56:09a full haptic keyboard even just as a

0:56:12proof of concept with the current taptic

0:56:13engine because i think it would actually

0:56:15be better not like obviously it's not

0:56:17going to feel like a real keyboard but i

0:56:19think it would be a lot better than

0:56:20people currently think it might be

0:56:22yeah I have that on the Moto X this is

0:56:28that my at my most real i guess i'm

0:56:30waiting for to google announces next

0:56:32week but yeah it's the most recent

0:56:34android device i bought it from december

0:56:362014 and it's the one that you could you

0:56:39could pick what the material on the back

0:56:41is never known

0:56:43yeah that's a real gimmick but anyway

0:56:44that if this phone has a haptic feedback

0:56:47on the keyboard but it has no

0:56:49directional sense at all

0:56:51you know like so whether you're in that

0:56:53the queue at the top left or the m

0:56:57at the bottom right it's the same tap

0:56:59whereas it seems like apples got

0:57:01something and then new phones that has a

0:57:04little bit of a you know X and y-axis

0:57:07oh yeah there's definitely a rotational

0:57:09motor and you kind of feel that even

0:57:11just doing 3d touch on the home screen

0:57:13or if you tap on something in sort of

0:57:15the bottom right corner that's gonna

0:57:17pull up a pull-up a widget going upwards

0:57:20you can actually feel it going up as

0:57:22opposed to pressing at the top of the

0:57:24screen and having a widget going down

0:57:25and I don't know how much of that is

0:57:27brain trickery and how much of that is

0:57:28actually the motor like jiggling in a

0:57:30certain direction but it's it's nifty i

0:57:33can't i have to imagine that they looked

0:57:35into it and just either they weren't

0:57:37satisfied and therefore didn't release

0:57:39it or there's something had to have

0:57:41tried it because yeah for all the things

0:57:43that you know if we're going to start

0:57:45putting haptic feedback in the OS the

0:57:48keyboard had had to have been on the top

0:57:50of the list of things to try

0:57:52well that's I think that's got to be

0:57:54their eventual goal like when they

0:57:55talked about putting that the taptic

0:57:57engine way back in the first generation

0:57:59of the Apple watch that was my first

0:58:00thought is I'm like this is this is our

0:58:02our our slow path to getting a fully

0:58:05haptic keyboard and having that work

0:58:07properly but I I have to imagine that

0:58:10happening is not quite where they want

0:58:12it where they actually want to go to put

0:58:14it on the keyboard because I think I

0:58:16imagine their eventual goal is to

0:58:18combine haptics with the pressure

0:58:20sensitivity of the screen and really

0:58:22like in a way that what 3d touch is

0:58:25currently doing but if you can actually

0:58:27feel depth which you can sort of with 3d

0:58:32touch but not really and it requires a

0:58:34much bigger touch target area but if you

0:58:37could feel depth on those tiny little

0:58:38keys like that that is potentially a

0:58:41game-changer for mobile keyboards and

0:58:43it's you know it it would have to be

0:58:45done exactly right we feel like gimmick

0:58:47and right now the the taptic engine and

0:58:49does feel a little a little static but

0:58:51the potential is there

0:58:53the potential is there and you know I

0:58:55said I i can tell it's not ready yet but

0:58:58i still want a third-party keyboard that

0:59:00just doesn't all have to keyboard just

0:59:01for fun because i think it would be a

0:59:03blast

0:59:06I can't help but think it's coming i do

0:59:09think iíve said

0:59:10many times over the years that it it

0:59:14often matters what's what stacked on 5

0:59:1810 years 15 years after something was

0:59:20created as opposed to what was there

0:59:22from the outset and hurt the force touch

0:59:26and the haptic feedback to me has that

0:59:28sort of it would be different and more

0:59:31pervasive if it had been there right

0:59:33from the original iphone you know it's

0:59:35like like in the original iphone every

0:59:38single control every every single

0:59:41standard user interface control was was

0:59:44reimagined from what that looks like on

0:59:46the mac to accommodate the difference

0:59:49between a touchscreen with a big fat

0:59:51finger as opposed to a mouse and

0:59:53keyboard and mouse pointer system where

0:59:56you have this pixel level precision so

0:59:58things like

0:59:58things like

1:00:00the the datepicker right where you get

1:00:03it this spinning control on iOS as

1:00:05opposed to a drop-down menu that you let

1:00:07you get on

1:00:08I think that if they had if they had a

1:00:103d touch from the beginning every

1:00:14control would have some sort of haptic

1:00:15feedback whereas like you said the arrow

1:00:18like you said now it seems like half the

1:00:20teams went through and added some have a

1:00:22pic feedback any other some of the other

1:00:24teams you know just like a yeah they're

1:00:28like okay there's no there's pretty much

1:00:31no haptic feedback in music for example

1:00:33right

1:00:33music is another one of those that has a

1:00:35card that kind of flies up that could

1:00:36use it but yeah there's not a high

1:00:39really think it's an early we're seeing

1:00:41it in kind of its early days and did you

1:00:45get a chance

1:00:46there was a nap on one of the demo

1:00:47phones at the event a few weeks back

1:00:49that was a music app where you could

1:00:52play key

1:00:53yes yeah yeah and it would have no idea

1:00:55what that happens but i really want to

1:00:57find it i might be able to get that for

1:00:59you

1:01:00yeah I i could probably email somebody

1:01:02and get that that information but but I

1:01:05just remember plate like playing around

1:01:07with that and having a light bulb go off

1:01:09in my head and being like this is what

1:01:12Apple's waiting for is there not you

1:01:14know they're there

1:01:15yes playing with themselves but what

1:01:18they're really waiting to see is how

1:01:19third-party apps take advantage of

1:01:21haptic and also i imagine where they can

1:01:24steal like not necessarily steel is in a

1:01:26bad way but still isn't it like as in

1:01:28the pull to refresh kind of thing where

1:01:30watch how third parties are doing it and

1:01:32see if they're coming up with better

1:01:34ideas than the internal team is coming

1:01:36up with see if they're there they want

1:01:38to try something different that we've

1:01:40never thought of before

1:01:41yeah so that I just don't know what the

1:01:43name of it was but the demo app they had

1:01:44put up like a piano keyboard that was

1:01:46the width of the iphone and it not only

1:01:48gave you the feedback the feedback seem

1:01:51to correlate to the location of the key

1:01:53you were pressing yeah that's the main

1:01:55thing is it really did feel like it

1:01:58wasn't just that the phone was clicking

1:02:00it was that the keyed on the screen was

1:02:02clicking yeah it's not just it's not a

1:02:04rumble controller it's a specificity

1:02:06consumer and and you could change you

1:02:10can change how

1:02:11heavy your press was and you could feel

1:02:13that difference which was that was the

1:02:15really like yeah

1:02:16again it's that it's the pressure

1:02:18combined with haptics which really makes

1:02:20this not just like a nintendo rumble

1:02:23Rumble controller but something much

1:02:25more powerful

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1:04:47anybody else is mangled that same way I

1:04:52weird you were talking about the music

1:04:54app I hear something yeah here's

1:04:57something that I still don't get about

1:04:59up going from one phone to another I

1:05:02don't understand how i'm supposed to get

1:05:04all my music from one to another it

1:05:06seems to me like every time I upload I

1:05:08back up my Mac I i do here's how i do

1:05:11the phones i do it to the mac through

1:05:13itunes because i think it's faster than

1:05:14I cloud so i take my old phone or like

1:05:18the review unit phone I used for two

1:05:20weeks back it up to my mac and then I

1:05:22take the new phone and go through the

1:05:24initial setup and say restore from

1:05:26itunes and then I connected to my back

1:05:28and I restore it and it seems like you

1:05:30know my music is here there's all got

1:05:32the cloud and I don't know because i'm

1:05:34using Apple music and I but I had all my

1:05:37all of my music what I would like is to

1:05:39have my entire personal music library on

1:05:42the downloaded on the floor for all time

1:05:44you know and then anytime anywhere on an

1:05:47airplane or something like that I've got

1:05:48all my music and I would like to use

1:05:50Apple music to listen to anything else

1:05:52that I want to listen to that I don't

1:05:54maybe don't own as a as a thing and it

1:05:57doesn't seem to me like I know how to do

1:05:58that

1:05:59yeah do you understand i do I completely

1:06:02understand but only because I've spent

1:06:04like practically a year troubleshooting

1:06:06how quickly can you explain this to if

1:06:09you can explain the yeah this will be

1:06:10worth the entire episode of the show

1:06:12okay so I'm from what I understand when

1:06:16you restore from a backup of your phone

1:06:18your previous phone had all of your

1:06:19music locally or had or ideally that's

1:06:22what you want right

1:06:23ok so you had downloaded all of your

1:06:25local music previously to your previous

1:06:26phone and for some reason it did not

1:06:28restore with that music alright alright

1:06:31yeah ok

1:06:32so I'm just as a guess because you have

1:06:35I club music library installed i'm

1:06:38thinking that apple says well you know

1:06:41John obviously once you know wants his

1:06:44apps restored and so we're going to make

1:06:46it actually not deal with within itunes

1:06:49backup now do you do you still get all

1:06:51of your apps from the itunes backup or

1:06:53does it make it download them from local

1:06:54from the cloud i still have to download

1:06:56them from the club and there that's the

1:06:58trick then

1:06:59so that's that's their argument there is

1:07:01that to make your iTunes backup faster

1:07:03and not you know not stress about it so

1:07:06much we're going to save your your

1:07:08information and make sure that all of

1:07:10the data for your apps is all fine and

1:07:12when you restore your apps that data

1:07:14gets plugged back in but we are not

1:07:16going to take the time to download

1:07:19multiple gigabytes of apps to iTunes and

1:07:22make you restore longer and probably the

1:07:24same exact thing applies to your music

1:07:26where it's like you may have downloaded

1:07:2840 gigs of music onto your old iphone 7

1:07:32review unit but we're not going to wait

1:07:35while 40 gigs of music is backed up to

1:07:38this phone or backed up to your imac and

1:07:40then rebat and then like transferred

1:07:42back to your to your new iphone 7 that's

1:07:44that's going to be that's going to be

1:07:46too long for you you're gonna get

1:07:47frustrated it's going to take half the

1:07:49day so instead we're just going to say

1:07:51ok if you want to redownload that music

1:07:53you can from iCloud music library what I

1:07:56don't get is when you restore a when you

1:07:58to restore a an iphone you're at your

1:08:02apps all downloads automatically i'm

1:08:03surprised that it wouldn't download your

1:08:07free download your music from the cloud

1:08:09because it knows again it has that

1:08:10metadata it knows what you had prior so

1:08:13in theory that should happen as well if

1:08:15we're following that same that same

1:08:17model from the apps but it doesn't sound

1:08:19like it's currently doing that and

1:08:21that's that's the point of of contention

1:08:24what I will say well that Apple has done

1:08:28that's much better this time around with

1:08:31iCloud music library than prior well a

1:08:34they've made it so that if you're

1:08:37subscribed to Apple music your music

1:08:40gets uploaded to iCloud music library as

1:08:42your music so there's no more drm which

1:08:45is very helpful

1:08:46goalkeeper unless you're downloading an

1:08:47apple music song and that also allows

1:08:49them to essentially split your library

1:08:52so now I'm there's a there's a setting

1:08:55I'm just going into settings really

1:08:56quickly so I can remember what it's

1:08:58actually called so I don't misquote here

1:09:00but inside inside Apple music there's

1:09:03now a setting called add playlist songs

1:09:05and essentially when you add music from

1:09:10the Apple music library on if you don't

1:09:13have ADD playlist songs enabled those

1:09:16those songs will just go into an apple

1:09:19music playlist so they won't they won't

1:09:22contaminate your library they'll just

1:09:24kind of hang out sort of in and in an

1:09:28apple music repository rather than

1:09:30messing around with your local library

1:09:32least that's how it worked in the beta

1:09:34probably would've changed

1:09:36I like yeah right yeah exactly that was

1:09:38that's a really nice like subtle thing

1:09:39and i believe it's turned off by default

1:09:41it's all online and I don't remember

1:09:43term kinds all right then maybe yeah it

1:09:45might

1:09:46it may have changed in the beta but that

1:09:50is that is one option for kind of

1:09:52separating your you're too and then also

1:09:54of course there's the the downloaded

1:09:56music option i think i feel like there

1:10:01was an easier way to download a bunch of

1:10:03I bunch of albums right now I didn't

1:10:06find it and well you know i mean it also

1:10:10is probably I'm like I'm tapping on the

1:10:12my various albums and like maybe I have

1:10:14all of my albums stored locally on this

1:10:16phone

1:10:17maybe that happened because I'm tapping

1:10:19on all of them and it says delete from

1:10:20library of course that maybe delete yeah

1:10:25oh yeah

1:10:25download there we go so you can download

1:10:28by album and you can download by I know

1:10:31you can't download by artist i would

1:10:33just like to say yeah

1:10:34download everything download all yeah I

1:10:37wonder if you can do that in the music

1:10:39settings and now we're just

1:10:40troubleshooting on the arrow this is our

1:10:41well we'll look at I mean yeah I wish I

1:10:44anything I think that Apple music is

1:10:46much better designed this year than last

1:10:49I think it's a very promising sign that

1:10:52they you know they got it that what they

1:10:54was so confusing last year I still feel

1:10:56like it has a long way to go

1:10:58it really does there is automatic yeah

1:11:01optimized storage is now

1:11:03toggle which is really nice so you can

1:11:05just keep your downloaded music as

1:11:07you're downloading music right and

1:11:08that's the feature where if your device

1:11:10is running low on space it'll start

1:11:12removing calling holy music that you

1:11:17haven't played recently which yeah you

1:11:19know is a pretty good feature all and i

1:11:21will need stuff that you can redownload

1:11:22if you if you need to

1:11:24yeah i really wish there was an easier

1:11:26way to download all music it's a little

1:11:28frustrating i still feel like a

1:11:30fundamental level it's it they're trying

1:11:33to do away with the distinction between

1:11:34my music my personal that the music

1:11:37collection i started building when

1:11:38Napster first collected i first started

1:11:40you know downloading mp3's or are

1:11:43turning my old CD collection and mp3's

1:11:45and Apple music this then pay for that

1:11:49has everything i still i just want I

1:11:52just want all of my music which now

1:11:54easily fits i forget how big my total

1:11:56music libraries but it used to be in the

1:11:58old days where you know like when the

1:12:00eight gigabyte was the big iphone

1:12:01couldn't have it all and now it's joke

1:12:05it's I don't know if I've got like 10

1:12:07gigs of music or something like that

1:12:08well a 256 gigabyte iphone can have it

1:12:10all easily and then some write and

1:12:14record some 4k video to write so then no

1:12:17matter where I am if I have no network

1:12:18access whatsoever i'm in an elevator on

1:12:21an airplane

1:12:23I know that I at least have all the

1:12:26music that it's my music and I can play

1:12:29it all right now

1:12:30mhm so anyway that's the way it should

1:12:32be

1:12:34I may be in there that when they finally

1:12:37redesign itunes haha ah you know maybe I

1:12:40don't know

1:12:41alright so what did you end up buying a

1:12:44phone for yourself yet it did what I

1:12:46ended up i ended up buying a jet black

1:12:49iphone 7 plus and you have already i had

1:12:52well I have it because I ordered it I

1:12:54didn't know that Renee and I were going

1:12:57to be getting review units until a

1:13:00couple days before the launch

1:13:02so I ordered mine at 3am 301 am on the

1:13:05app on here apple store app from bed

1:13:07because I wasn't sure when

1:13:10what if like

1:13:11otherwise when I would be getting a

1:13:12phone so i just i went ahead and i was

1:13:14just like i really don't like I really i

1:13:16hate hate the plus sorry hashtag Mike

1:13:19was wrong but I i wanted the camera

1:13:24features and I knew that if I was going

1:13:26to be writing about the camera features

1:13:28i kind of need the bigger phone but I I

1:13:31was like you know I also 14 days so if I

1:13:34really you know despise the the giant

1:13:37phone carrying then i can i can return

1:13:39it and go back to an iphone 7 or wait

1:13:41like a million weeks to get an iphone 7

1:13:43probably so I have that and then i have

1:13:45an iphone 7 and an iphone 7 plus that

1:13:49are my review units so i actually have

1:13:51jet-black iphones and both models no one

1:13:53come rob me this huh

1:13:56you might get you must have gotten your

1:13:57order in like at 301 that's Eastern oh

1:13:59yeah oh yeah IIM was probably one of the

1:14:02first people at least in my twitter feed

1:14:04who actually got the app open and

1:14:07showing on the ordering screen and I

1:14:08still I still was pushed out a week like

1:14:11I didn't get my seven plus until of I

1:14:14don't know the middle of last week I

1:14:16think that was the first batch I really

1:14:17do

1:14:18yeah well they went they went quickly i

1:14:21think it was like two people i know got

1:14:22them on release day and well what did it

1:14:25was it the plus size because like the

1:14:27plus jet-black yeah that's amazing if

1:14:29they they must have really been like in

1:14:31the first right on night yeah I had a

1:14:33lot of trouble with the app and in years

1:14:36past the app always seemed like that was

1:14:38the way to go to use the iphone app to

1:14:40order so i switched like 10 minutes in

1:14:43to a guy after 10 minutes of different

1:14:46things are not going well switch to the

1:14:49website and the website actually worked

1:14:51perfectly

1:14:52I just really loop new iphone poop no

1:14:54paraffin I had a I had no problems with

1:14:59the app once i got it to actually load

1:15:01my initial thing was just I mean I would

1:15:03I was doing probably the horrible thing

1:15:06that no Apple server tech wants to hear

1:15:09which is at y soon as 3000 one hit

1:15:14I kept on force quitting the app and

1:15:17then reloading force quitting reloading

1:15:18force quitting reloading it's like that

1:15:20the the horrible version of the you know

1:15:23man refresh on a mac and I got through

1:15:26probably 302 303 and other people were

1:15:28trying to do that didn't get through

1:15:30until 315 I think it wasn't clear if you

1:15:33just left the app open whether it would

1:15:34reload

1:15:36yeah they're always true it wasn't clear

1:15:38i I my assumption was that it would but

1:15:40since I don't know force quitting I know

1:15:43it's going to reload so therefore I

1:15:44force quit

1:15:45exactly exactly it's the same principle

1:15:48way back when with the liveblogs if they

1:15:50wanted to know if they just would have

1:15:52printed on the do you know the store was

1:15:55down before before they enabled it

1:15:57represent you know if they would just

1:15:59put on that page saying that the stores

1:16:01down that there is no need to refresh

1:16:03then I would have tried I would have

1:16:04trusted them and I would have left it

1:16:05open but yeah it also says macrumors i

1:16:10don't know if you saw this it this

1:16:11morning has a report from a min chi kuo

1:16:17the supply chain guru that jet black

1:16:21models are suffering from a quote low

1:16:23casing production yield rate meaning

1:16:26thirty to forty percent of the units

1:16:28that they are making don't pass apples

1:16:30quality standards this never hide and

1:16:33doesn't I don't think there's any

1:16:34difference between the regular size and

1:16:36plus I now now now there or at least

1:16:39there isn't anything in his data that

1:16:40was released to to MacRumors but what I

1:16:43do think i'm not surprised by it

1:16:46given how touchy jet-black is to begin

1:16:49with and you know the deal with

1:16:50scratches and everything else but

1:16:52specifically you know the I don't know

1:16:54if you notice this you have at least one

1:16:56jet black review model right i have i'm

1:16:59a jet-black review model and my the 1i

1:17:01bought is the park is jet black yeah the

1:17:04the thing that that we were noticing it

1:17:07and I'm or is that the unlike pretty

1:17:11much every other model of iphone 7

1:17:13there's a little bit of a of a perfect

1:17:17like a prudent for the sim card if you

1:17:20put your finger on the on the side with

1:17:22jet black iphone you've got a little bit

1:17:24of a bump there where if whereas if you

1:17:26do that on anything like on another

1:17:28iphone 7 like on a mat iphone 7 you

1:17:31don't really feel that so much

1:17:33and I I have to think that there are

1:17:35little bits little things like that with

1:17:37the with the anodization especially

1:17:40because of the way they do this in the

1:17:42the double n is the decision process

1:17:43with you know I i'm going to get it

1:17:46wrong if i try and describe it in detail

1:17:48so I'm just going to avoid it but I mean

1:17:50there's there's a lot of technology that

1:17:52goes into making this phone

1:17:54look the way it does which is honestly

1:17:57the kind of magical in terms of like how

1:18:00ridiculous it ends up looking if I don't

1:18:03indifferent all princess and the pea

1:18:04mode i would i would claim and I think I

1:18:07could I could do this blindfolded I that

1:18:10my review unit iphone 7 in jet black the

1:18:14sim card pretty prudence is almost

1:18:16indistinguishable and on this one that I

1:18:19but now owned it is noticeable not like

1:18:22not like i am complaining about it not

1:18:25it's not

1:18:26yeah but it is slightly different from

1:18:29yeah and I imagine all of them are

1:18:32slightly different like on my review

1:18:34iphone 7 it is much more noticeable than

1:18:37on my 7 + m and there's def a definite

1:18:42cut out so you happy that you order

1:18:45jet-black for yourself

1:18:46oh yeah without a question I I was a

1:18:48little nervous about it initially

1:18:52because I really wasn't sure how badly

1:18:55it would scratch up and whether or not

1:18:57the the material finish would be enough

1:19:00that i would feel comfortable keeping it

1:19:02caseless especially with the seven plus

1:19:05being as massive as it is but I have you

1:19:08know I've been rocking the review unit

1:19:10in the case because I generally try not

1:19:11to destroy apples materials and then

1:19:15where is really better than the ones i

1:19:17own and I don't either . viewers don't

1:19:19think they're that was reputed yeah the

1:19:22only thing i've done to the the poor

1:19:23review unit is made it film underwater a

1:19:25bunch of times and it seems to be okay

1:19:27good good good phone but um I my 7 plus

1:19:31i got in jet black no regrets i love

1:19:33love the tactile finish i've got

1:19:35probably don't know I'm like the thing

1:19:38is I've got it i know i've got a ton of

1:19:40scratches on this thing but unless i'm

1:19:42looking at indirect light i really can't

1:19:44see them that

1:19:45is the the beauty and the curse of the

1:19:47jet black finish is that in in sunlight

1:19:50or indirect light you can see every

1:19:52single scratch and like Ramona and cry

1:19:54and like have it hurt your heart up but

1:19:57in every other lighting and just by

1:20:00holding it in your hand you can't you

1:20:02can't feel the scratches on the casing

1:20:03on you can't really notice them and even

1:20:07in direct sunlight it just it it looks

1:20:11again it ages it is starting to age well

1:20:14as opposed to just looking like i could

1:20:17have seen a version of this maybe not an

1:20:19apple phone that had a sort of this kind

1:20:22of aluminum metallization where the

1:20:24second you get a scratch you can start

1:20:26to see like the aluminum under the black

1:20:29casing and it starts feeling really

1:20:31weird and just not not ending up being a

1:20:34good experience but I'm I'm pretty

1:20:36impressed in how they have ended up

1:20:38doing that was the problem that people

1:20:39had with space black on the the iphone 5

1:20:450 it was just scratches and we're going

1:20:47to college but yeah I think so it was

1:20:49either you won't you might have just

1:20:51been black it might have been before the

1:20:53era of space blank whatever it was I

1:20:55liked it but it when it did scratch or

1:20:58flake especially around that beveled

1:21:00edge it did show like the puerile you

1:21:03know the more aluminum naturally

1:21:05aluminium color underneath

1:21:07mhm and I do feel like they've gone back

1:21:10to these dark colors because they've got

1:21:11it down now where it the anodization

1:21:15layers like deep enough that like even

1:21:17if you get a scratch the scratches still

1:21:19the same color as the is that the the

1:21:22you know the regular yeah virgin device

1:21:25you know

1:21:26yeah i remember and an apple

1:21:28spokesperson talking to me about having

1:21:30the anodization doing a double coat of

1:21:32anodization and having one of them seep

1:21:34into the pores of the aluminum which I

1:21:36that may or may not be an actual

1:21:38description of like how that process

1:21:39actually works but I i can definitely

1:21:41believe that idea and we did I will say

1:21:45it r.i.p Renee's review unit because he

1:21:48did drop it a couple of times into into

1:21:51water at semi high velocities and

1:21:53there's a there's a little bit of a

1:21:54shift corner on one of the phones

1:21:57and that one the the very visible chip

1:22:01does have a lighter aluminum look to it

1:22:03than the rest than the just normal

1:22:05run-of-the-mill scratches but I think

1:22:07that's to be expected if you like if you

1:22:09physically like smash a corner of your

1:22:11phone into into pavements you're

1:22:14probably not going to retain that that

1:22:15beautiful finish my screen didn't break

1:22:17so it is a finish you mean is it's not

1:22:20magic it's not like they know you know

1:22:21well I don't maybe there's something

1:22:22maybe they could make that aluminum but

1:22:25it's it is a Finnish not just like that

1:22:27the metal itself is that color

1:22:29yeah i'm connor percent convinced i've

1:22:31made the right call for me personally it

1:22:33took me a long time now even when i

1:22:35recorded a week ago with jim i was i

1:22:37still have that was up on the fence

1:22:38along language the right mode but now

1:22:40i'm convinced and I really don't even

1:22:42care what it looks like after a year

1:22:43even if it's all scratched up the feel

1:22:45alone is it is enough for me because

1:22:48i've always been i mean it's starting

1:22:53with the five even 55 s6 success so for

1:22:57four generations

1:22:58I've always been a little unhappy with

1:23:01the slipperiness of the aluminum back

1:23:03and it was particularly bad with the

1:23:05iphone 6 and anecdotally broken backed

1:23:09up by the fact that the iphone 6 was the

1:23:11one and only iphone I've ever cracked

1:23:13screen on

1:23:14yep and i remember last year with the

1:23:18success asking

1:23:20when it when i got the review and had

1:23:25the briefing i said this feels more

1:23:26tactile to me you know did you guys

1:23:28change something or is it just that my

1:23:30old my personal old iphone has warned

1:23:32you know and they denied it they said oh

1:23:35that's interesting you know that it's

1:23:37like for your way that when apple

1:23:38doesn't want to talk about something

1:23:39they won't do not they won't say no they

1:23:41won't say you're crazy they'll say it's

1:23:43interesting you would say so no I don't

1:23:44think but I think that were willing to

1:23:48disclose right and i just think that

1:23:50they didn't want to say that the old one

1:23:52was slippery so they didn't wear the new

1:23:54one is less slippery but it clearly was

1:23:56to me and it seems like everybody I know

1:23:58who's had both backs it up but the

1:24:00difference with jet-black is just night

1:24:01and day it's it's oh yeah it's just not

1:24:04slippery at all and that to me is like

1:24:06it it just feels so much better coming

1:24:09in and out of my pocket i find so much

1:24:11more certain that i'm not going to fat

1:24:13finger the phone then it's worth it

1:24:17somebody posted a picture on Twitter the

1:24:18other day showing their old either very

1:24:21original or like first or second year I

1:24:24ipod even though I'm yeah I forget who

1:24:28posted the picture but the back of the

1:24:30ipod was a very shiny polished mirror

1:24:33aluminum and it they all got scratched

1:24:36to hell

1:24:37oh yeah and the original case right that

1:24:40it you know nobody complete you know

1:24:42we've we've got to the point now where

1:24:44we're and you know if your personality

1:24:46type is the such that you the idea of

1:24:48these quote-unquote micro-operations

1:24:50bothers you it seems to me that's very

1:24:52clearly half of the reason why they have

1:24:54regular black in addition to jet black i

1:24:56think the other half being the

1:24:58aforementioned production problems with

1:24:59jet-black but it's you know if you're

1:25:03bothered by spy the idea of a easily

1:25:05micro of abrasion to finish don't get it

1:25:09you know

1:25:10yeah but I'm no one is forcing you to to

1:25:13get the jet black iphone but if you if

1:25:15you don't care so much about resale

1:25:17value and I think that is a big concern

1:25:18for folks especially overseas as you

1:25:21know I'm gonna get this phone but I'm

1:25:22gonna keep it in pristine condition for

1:25:24a year and then able to resell it and

1:25:27what's the Apple upgrade program i think

1:25:29I floats out to more countries and more

1:25:33are you know more areas that will become

1:25:36less of an issue maybe possibly although

1:25:39I mean it's still you're talking about

1:25:40reselling into the grey market which is

1:25:42a whole different question but that's

1:25:44that's the only reason why I could think

1:25:46to to avoid the jet black or to get the

1:25:48jet black and then immediately put in

1:25:49the into a case because you can you know

1:25:52my my review unit my iphone 7 jet-black

1:25:54has basically been a Senate case since

1:25:57the day I got it the day after i got it

1:26:00and it it has maybe maybe one or two

1:26:03scratches on the back and then the one

1:26:06the one night that I kept it out of its

1:26:09case to do some some photo test it and

1:26:12this is this is my own my own damn fault

1:26:15i had also gotten a brand-new nylon band

1:26:19and I had taken it out of its you know

1:26:21out of the the packaging from the apple

1:26:23store and I'd put the nylon band in my

1:26:25pocket and I put the iphone 7 in my

1:26:27pocket and the nylon bands buckle rubbed

1:26:31up against the front upper corner have

1:26:33to pour iphone 7 so it has this now very

1:26:36very smooth din set of scratches from

1:26:40that nylon band behold just kind of

1:26:43etching its way in there and it doesn't

1:26:45again you can't you cannot tell that

1:26:47it's scratched at all unless you catch

1:26:49the light mints and then if it's like a

1:26:52circle of circle of doom here otherwise

1:26:55you know it looks fine i do feel that

1:26:57the term micro abrasion it's slightly

1:26:59euphemistic but I feel like it's

1:27:01warranted because for me the definition

1:27:03between a scratch and a micro operation

1:27:05is these micro operations and this is

1:27:06all I've seen on both of the ones I have

1:27:08here are exactly like you said you have

1:27:10to catch the light at the right angle

1:27:11and look for them and then you can see

1:27:14them but you can't feel them with your

1:27:16hand and you can't even feel them with

1:27:18like your fingernail and to me and

1:27:20scratches something that you can you can

1:27:22see it in regular light and/or will add

1:27:28something that you can feel with your

1:27:29skin or your fingernail

1:27:30mhm there's a I gotta scratching on my

1:27:34iphone 6s plus on the screen that is

1:27:37very noticeable that's like a fingernail

1:27:40take a scratch and I you know this i

1:27:43I've put the seven plus since i got it

1:27:45through some fairly hefty like

1:27:47it was out on the beach doing some

1:27:49photography for my upcoming Apple watch

1:27:51review on and I i managed to walk away

1:27:54from this thing not only being near the

1:27:56beach but also being dipped in the water

1:27:58and like swim swim around with sand

1:28:01particles and dust particles and

1:28:02everything else and it came out of it

1:28:04pretty much per scene so I really think

1:28:08that although the yield rate may be low

1:28:10on the jet black it's probably for a

1:28:13good reason and I I kind of feel for

1:28:15Apple shipping department and their and

1:28:17their production lines because I'm sure

1:28:19having the yield rate below is a pain in

1:28:22the ass for for their profit margins and

1:28:24everything else but it's resulting and I

1:28:26hopefully a much better overall product

1:28:28for people when they finally get them

1:28:29into their hands

1:28:30yeah i and I've said this before and i

1:28:33will probably say it again all year long

1:28:34I actually feel bad for regular black

1:28:36because i love it i love the regular

1:28:39precious i almost got it

1:28:40I wish that they'd come out with a year

1:28:42ago so that I would have had a year

1:28:43where I gotta use the regular black

1:28:45because i like it so much more than

1:28:47space Gray's sort of a my dark and my

1:28:50light and she's really little stronger

1:28:54I really feel bad that at this new

1:28:56finish that i absolutely love that i

1:28:59didn't i'm not gonna actually own here's

1:29:03my hope is that they bring the exact

1:29:05same flat black aluminum finish to the

1:29:07macbook pro yes I would love that and I

1:29:11do lie i really like the the flat black

1:29:13aluminum I thought that was the phone

1:29:15that i was going to get until I touched

1:29:16the jet black and I think yield rate and

1:29:19cost aside even if the was exact same

1:29:22yield rate and cost for Apple I think

1:29:25jet-black would be wrong for the macbook

1:29:27pro I feel like you year you know like

1:29:31okay so there's fingerprints that you

1:29:33know that you can wipe off on this but

1:29:35the fingerprints are always pointed away

1:29:36from me right

1:29:38if you know in the back of the phone

1:29:40whereas like on the palm rest on your

1:29:41macbook it would I think it would be I

1:29:44think would be really ugly

1:29:45well so you remember though I I'm i

1:29:47think about Apple's history with black

1:29:49laptops and I think about the wall

1:29:51street and I think about the black

1:29:52macbook and although I mean I can't have

1:29:55they ever really made a glossy computer

1:29:56aside from the ibooks outer shell know

1:30:00it

1:30:00don't think so i just think its glossy

1:30:02is just wrong for a macbook yeah it just

1:30:05doesn't feel right so that's what my

1:30:07hope is they bring that that that same

1:30:08black to the macbook pros and i'll get

1:30:11to own it

1:30:12yeah oh sure thats i would i would buy a

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1:33:49you've been doing a lot of stuff with

1:33:52the cameras you and Renee with the

1:33:54iphone and I saw last night it was last

1:33:56night but it was certainly over the

1:33:58weekend where you were doing like

1:34:01product review photography of Apple

1:34:03watch and had what did you say it was

1:34:07like you is it a glider what was it that

1:34:09you were talking about

1:34:10oh yeah so I'm a slider slider so yeah

1:34:13with a and actually I didn't even know

1:34:16this was the professional term for it

1:34:17until you're filming with the michael

1:34:19fisher I who used to work for pocket

1:34:23someone and now works on his own YouTube

1:34:26channel and he brought these big giant

1:34:28slider rigs to put his camera on which

1:34:30are basically exactly what they sound

1:34:32like where you put your camera on a on a

1:34:34big like horizontal thing and then you

1:34:37move your camera all along the slider

1:34:40real wall year while you're filming and

1:34:43it grew and it makes for those like

1:34:44beautiful nice pans that you see in

1:34:47product in product videos or like this

1:34:51the slow zooms the you know basically

1:34:53it's like it's like a tiny steadicam

1:34:55break for the for the ground for a table

1:34:58and I don't have any of that equipment

1:35:02because I i do some i some geography but

1:35:07i'm not you know I i generally am only

1:35:09doing videos for your specific for

1:35:12specific events and and I think it was

1:35:15last year when we started experimenting

1:35:17with the idea of could we shoot a review

1:35:20video on a phone i did a the iphone

1:35:23success review entirely on my iphone as

1:35:26a as a fun like just as a throwback

1:35:29after Renee did his official review and

1:35:32in order to shoot like those beautiful

1:35:35like pretty device shots and like well I

1:35:38can't shoot this even with my i have

1:35:40like a couple of different pseudo steady

1:35:42camera rigs for the phone and even with

1:35:45those rigs I can't shoot a nice slow pan

1:35:48without it looking jittery and in too

1:35:52much for final cut to fix and so while I

1:35:55was filming this stuff I had kind of an

1:35:56epiphany last year and I'm like wait a

1:35:59second what if I shoot in slo-mo so ice

1:36:03I i flipped over to the slow mo slider

1:36:05and I made sure it was I think it's like

1:36:061 120 frames per second 1080p and and

1:36:10then just shot the same the same pan but

1:36:13shot in slo-mo with my rig and when you

1:36:16play it back in slow motion

1:36:18it looks almost identical to using those

1:36:21sliders i have just done it I've put a

1:36:24link to your tweet with it which has the

1:36:26video in the show notes and people can

1:36:27go i was blown away

1:36:29I honestly I just not part of it is that

1:36:31I'm like I'm an idiot and I still run a

1:36:35website that like it's 2001 and you know

1:36:38there are no videos this is but probably

1:36:41the best I i feel like i wanted i I it

1:36:44made me realize that like I wouldn't use

1:36:46it I wouldn't have a reason to do it for

1:36:48that you know like a product review shot

1:36:50of Apple watch but I realized looking at

1:36:52that that I'm vastly under using slow

1:36:55motion video in . just for like my

1:36:58personal use

1:36:59it's it's like it hasn't really gotten

1:37:02into my head that I have an amazing

1:37:03slow-motion camera and that it it can

1:37:07make all sorts of things interesting

1:37:10like i tend to only think of the most

1:37:11obvious thing like catching my kid a tad

1:37:16like the be jumping off a rock into the

1:37:17ocean well shoot that in slo-mo that'll

1:37:20look cool you know but that's like the

1:37:21most obvious that's like the first thing

1:37:23everybody think so that's your

1:37:24traditional slo-mo shot right you get

1:37:27you can get like like four just shooting

1:37:29like a panorama or something like that i

1:37:31think it smooths out the motion in a

1:37:33amazing way it is not believable to me

1:37:35that you should that this video in your

1:37:37tweet was shot with phone i know with an

1:37:40hour without like I'm some kind of

1:37:41complicated tracking rigged with a

1:37:44slider whatever they call it it really

1:37:46is amazing that and on top of that that

1:37:49particular shot that was shot freehand

1:37:51that wasn't even shot with like Oh with

1:37:53stabilizer rig or anything that was just

1:37:55shot with my hands

1:37:56yeah thanks to iterate that doesn't make

1:37:58any sense to me I mean it's amazing

1:38:01yeah it's it's a really really great

1:38:04shot

1:38:04thank you i have really been having a

1:38:07ton of fun with these cameras not only

1:38:09with the seven plus and portrait mode

1:38:11and all that stuff but even with video i

1:38:14think one of the things that people are

1:38:16kind

1:38:16discounting is that the iphone 7 with

1:38:20optical image stabilization becomes

1:38:22pretty great for low-light photography

1:38:24but becomes amazing for video all of a

1:38:27sudden like that the iphone 7 is now a

1:38:29camera that I feel as comfortable

1:38:32shooting with as i did with the with my

1:38:35success plus which prior to that the 6s

1:38:37plus was the only thing i would use to

1:38:39film anything with because it just it it

1:38:42looked too shaky and it didn't it didn't

1:38:44have the same you know the the right

1:38:46temperature and color tone that I wanted

1:38:49because the the 0 is just you know there

1:38:51wasn't there at all i had was digital

1:38:53image stabilization and now that the

1:38:54seven has that that's a huge step up for

1:38:57anybody who wants to shoot video and

1:38:59then you combine that with the with the

1:39:01f-18 aperture on the wide angle lens and

1:39:04it means that you can shoot video in

1:39:06lower light situations it means that

1:39:08you're slow mo in lower light situations

1:39:10is going to look better and that's even

1:39:12that's even a almost a bigger deal is a

1:39:14240 unfortunately their 240 frames per

1:39:18second slow motion is still limited to

1:39:20720p which is kind of a bummer I was

1:39:22kind of hoping that they would bump up

1:39:23maybe maybe we'd c4k slow-motion this

1:39:27year but it's you know there's only so

1:39:29much only so much you can do with a with

1:39:31a tiny tiny sensors

1:39:33well I think for case a big jump I just

1:39:35getting it getting the 240 frames per

1:39:37second a 1080 would be well exactly

1:39:39exactly i was hoping that we saw

1:39:41everything move up slightly one so maybe

1:39:43we got 4k at like 60 frames per second

1:39:46right and then we got a we still have

1:39:481080 at 120 and maybe 1088 240 would

1:39:51have been really nice to see but even so

1:39:54you can do 720 720 p at 240 frames per

1:39:59second now and in a dark room that used

1:40:03to be a non-starter

1:40:04it was just you know i would try and

1:40:05film i used to do roller derby tests all

1:40:08the time for personal emotion and the

1:40:11240 frames per second option just was

1:40:14just know it wouldn't work in the dark

1:40:16in any kind of like indoor practice

1:40:17space and now it's a legitimate option

1:40:19it's still not great because 720p but

1:40:22you can actually you can use it without

1:40:24feeling like it's the worst thing that

1:40:26you've ever done in your life with a

1:40:28camera

1:40:29I I mean that's not exactly high praise

1:40:32but it's there there's some definite

1:40:34advances that come with both both Oh is

1:40:37on the seven but also that that larger

1:40:39aperture on on both the 727 applause and

1:40:42the zoom feature did you link to austin

1:40:45man's yes adventure in Rwanda if you

1:40:49watch that video I that they shot that

1:40:52entire video on 7th loss which is kind

1:40:54of amazing 222 sort of imagine on but it

1:40:59on top of that they did several times

1:41:02during during the shoot they had video

1:41:05where they actually sort of jumped on

1:41:07that not even a rack focus but like jump

1:41:10jumped from the friends from the 1x lens

1:41:13to the to excellence and there's a

1:41:14little bit of software stutter in

1:41:17between the two but overall it's it's a

1:41:19really cool way to to snap onto a

1:41:23subject and something that I wouldn't be

1:41:25surprised if we saw that got used more

1:41:27often in photography

1:41:29yeah it's a it is it

1:41:32well I've tried not to talk about

1:41:34because i'm not going to use a public

1:41:35place first if this isn't it hurts my

1:41:38heart to talk about but you don't want

1:41:40to talk about portrait mode and all I

1:41:41know I you know got to be a big boy from

1:41:45that you know use the small phone I've

1:41:46gotta go to face up to it on now but it

1:41:49does it is one of those things where I

1:41:50thought out but this doesn't even work

1:41:52you know midway through a video but it

1:41:54does and it's it is pretty cool i do

1:41:58think I think optic is sometimes with

1:42:00camera stuff it's like when you get all

1:42:02nerdy and start listing these the

1:42:05technical specs you know everybody knows

1:42:07megapixels

1:42:08I think it's finally gotten through to

1:42:09almost everybody that megapixels is not

1:42:12a simple the bigger the number the

1:42:14better wanted versus quality and it's

1:42:17it's it you know there's the factors

1:42:19like noise because you have more of

1:42:21these you know the more light you know

1:42:23having fewer pixels but having the

1:42:25pixels on the sensor be bigger so that

1:42:26heat soak up more light is actually way

1:42:28better than having more pixels and

1:42:30you'll even if you'd even if your goal

1:42:32is to blow the picture up real big your

1:42:34you get a better image on optical image

1:42:37stabilization is one of those things

1:42:38where it just you know it everybody can

1:42:41kind of figure out what it means it's

1:42:42you know it's a very clear term and you

1:42:44know like the illustration that Apple

1:42:46uses where they showed that the little

1:42:47and sort of bouncing on a you know

1:42:49little suspended thing you get it but

1:42:51the practical effects of it are so

1:42:53dramatic

1:42:54especially for video because I gotta

1:42:56still photography you don't really you

1:42:58may not know that optical image

1:42:59stabilization help because it just means

1:43:01you can get us a clearer picture with

1:43:04less light but you may not realize you

1:43:06don't have to realize that it is but

1:43:07with video it really is a very clear

1:43:10difference in in typical just consumer

1:43:13what you know fashion like you're at a

1:43:16the the soccer game for your kid and

1:43:19you're just you know holding the phone

1:43:21out in front of you and panning it or if

1:43:24you're walking and especially walking

1:43:26write and the just the baby even if you

1:43:27try to keep it stable the the motion

1:43:30that you get without optical image

1:43:32stabilization when you shoot video is

1:43:34really distracting

1:43:36visually it just looks unprofessional

1:43:38and the difference with OIS is so

1:43:41dramatic it's not like oh and it really

1:43:43improves it a little bit it really does

1:43:45make it look like you've got a Steadicam

1:43:48uh-huh like me and I the world's best

1:43:50steadicam operator but it does look like

1:43:52your phone is you know somehow floating

1:43:54through the air

1:43:55it's really remarkable both in the am

1:43:58the shots that we did for the iphone 7

1:44:00review and also the shots that I was

1:44:02having Rick help me with for the Apple

1:44:03watch review there are a couple of shots

1:44:05were again he's freehanding walking

1:44:08backwards on a bike path while i'm

1:44:09talking directly and I get that I take

1:44:11the initial video of that and put it

1:44:13into final cut pro and I'm like I'm

1:44:15going to to click the stabilization

1:44:17button and then I actually watched the

1:44:18video and I'm like this doesn't even

1:44:20need stable

1:44:21that's ridiculous that's not fair her

1:44:23like this that we've come so far and

1:44:26especially I remember the the first time

1:44:29I got to play with a phone that had 0 is

1:44:31which is was the six plus i believe was

1:44:34the first one shooting video on the six

1:44:36plus specifically with the with Derby

1:44:41and shooting video while being on roller

1:44:44skates and shooting somebody on roller

1:44:45skates

1:44:47despite the little tiny bumps that

1:44:49happen when you're rolling

1:44:50unpaved an inner or badly paid and

1:44:52concrete it looked like I was basically

1:44:55running a seven hundred dollar rig and I

1:44:57remember the you know the two years

1:44:59before that when i actually had a

1:45:01Steadicam break for the iphone for that

1:45:04I had I had gotten from from steadicam

1:45:06from as a refuge unit when they were

1:45:09trying to market steadicam thanks for

1:45:12for the iphone and thinking this this

1:45:15iphone this iphone 6s or 6 plus shoots

1:45:19better more stable video then the you

1:45:22know $200 steadicam break that i was

1:45:25playing around with all those years ago

1:45:28that's crazy being a dedicated 4.7 inch

1:45:31iphone user and not not liking the

1:45:33plus-size it bothered me a lot more last

1:45:36year when the plus gato is for video

1:45:38than it did in the previous year where

1:45:41the plus did have optical image

1:45:44stabilization but only for stills amor

1:45:46ya weigh less because I've you know shot

1:45:49enough low light stuff you know amateur

1:45:52style in my life where I know the tricks

1:45:55like resting the camera on a table or

1:45:58something so that I'm not just my hand

1:46:00you know in low-light like ways to you

1:46:02know keep the camera is still as

1:46:04possible to to do that i'm not saying

1:46:06like my little resting the camera on

1:46:09something to hold it stable is as good

1:46:11as is but i felt like i could compensate

1:46:14for stills but for video there's no

1:46:16there is no there's no way to to

1:46:18simulate it it's a cast and fantastic

1:46:21feature and it i see people posting and

1:46:24I see people just posting just you know

1:46:25typical not really thinking about it

1:46:28I've got my camera i'm just going to

1:46:29quick shoot a video of this weird thing

1:46:31I just saw on this you know there's a

1:46:32weird thing i saw on the sidewalk the

1:46:35video looks so much better stabilized

1:46:37mhm and well and on top of that and you

1:46:40think about how I phones have been used

1:46:42to cover news breaking events things

1:46:45like that

1:46:45yeah you know for someone to be able to

1:46:47pull out a phone at a rally or you know

1:46:50God forbid watching somebody get hurt by

1:46:53a another member of society and be able

1:46:55to film that and have that that footage

1:46:57is now broadcast quality its 4k that's

1:47:00that's pretty impressive the two biggest

1:47:02differences i think it

1:47:03as consumer cameras have gotten to be so

1:47:05good at high def video the two biggest

1:47:07differences between like professional

1:47:08footage and amateur footage

1:47:09stabilization and focal length you know

1:47:13the lenses and that's still where the

1:47:15plus has the advantage where people

1:47:17somebody if somebody shooting like

1:47:18breaking news event but it can't get

1:47:20close for whatever reason they can

1:47:21switch to 2x mode and get a dramatically

1:47:24different picture but when they do that

1:47:26you don't think he there is no o is on

1:47:27the 2x mode right now there's no is on

1:47:30the telephoto so it's a it's much

1:47:32Shakespeare both and you know in still

1:47:35photo and video but it is pretty

1:47:37remarkable like you know I've been

1:47:39playing around a lot with the zoom and

1:47:42digital zoom is still digital zoom it's

1:47:44not gonna you know blow the doors down

1:47:46anything when you start shooting at five

1:47:48or 10 x but the fact remains that you

1:47:51can now shoot at five and 10 x8 both in

1:47:54still photography still photographs and

1:47:56video and even though the video again

1:47:59you're going to have fuzzy video and

1:48:02like very fuzzy video at 10x but you're

1:48:04going to have the ability to focus on

1:48:06that like tiny thing that you're zoomed

1:48:08into whereas if you were just shooting

1:48:10at like one x and then try to blow it up

1:48:13artificially later you were going to get

1:48:15a much fuzzy picture and being able to

1:48:18shoot at ten act like I i thought this

1:48:20was going to be complete garbage and I

1:48:22was never going to use it and I'm still

1:48:24you know it's still not great but for

1:48:27things like we were just talking about

1:48:28for things like news broadcasts are

1:48:30breaking you know important things you

1:48:33can get a legible picture at 10x it's

1:48:36not going to be a great picture it's not

1:48:37gonna be a picture that i really want to

1:48:39put on the news but it is a legible

1:48:41picture you can see what's happening

1:48:43yeah it's it's a impressive difference

1:48:46you know in the same way that before we

1:48:48had the second lens that you could shoot

1:48:49at 2x and you knew it was digital but

1:48:51you know I brought you know you couldn't

1:48:53get it exactly because i didn't show you

1:48:54exactly but you know you know when you

1:48:56pinch that you're you're not really

1:48:58pushing your luck with digital zoom too

1:49:00much you know it could get closer to

1:49:03something and it was usable but now by

1:49:05starting with that telephoto lens it's

1:49:07it's really amazing

1:49:09yeah it is i should i guess i should

1:49:11clarify on video you can only go up to

1:49:136x but its equivalent to the

1:49:16framing of tennis masters videos pushed

1:49:19in react cropped sensor century yeah so

1:49:23portrait mode portrait mode

1:49:26this is the part this is the part where

1:49:27I'm gonna start crying if it well youyou

1:49:31got to play with it this weekend right

1:49:33you're playing it on your review unit i

1:49:34did I put it on friday or thursday i

1:49:37think it was last Thursday I did is I

1:49:39your flickr photos

1:49:40Jonas yeah and some of them turned out

1:49:43great and it's sort of a no-lose

1:49:46situation I'd by default because it

1:49:48shoots it is that all it should you know

1:49:50by default you get both and so if it

1:49:52does something undesirable it with your

1:49:56image by blurring something that she

1:49:57probably should have been blurred or

1:49:59putting like sometimes your heads look

1:50:01like there's a halo around them it does

1:50:02the edge detection on hair sometimes

1:50:04imperfect the worst-case scenarios you

1:50:07just delete the one with the depth

1:50:08effect and you've still got the no

1:50:10nothing fancy was applied this is just

1:50:14the image shot with the the camera

1:50:15picture and it also the fact that it

1:50:19does both really does make it fun to

1:50:21compare if you want to nerd out and try

1:50:23to figure out how that they're doing

1:50:24this

1:50:25yep and you're like oh which is which is

1:50:27blurred and how much is blurred and it

1:50:29was interesting because i did a

1:50:31time-tested this that my first thought

1:50:33is music became live is that the beta

1:50:36was the developer beta was I think live

1:50:38on Thursday there is your wednesday

1:50:40because that public beta was live on

1:50:42Thursday and so when I downloaded it my

1:50:45first thought was well you know Apple

1:50:47keeps joking that it's going to compete

1:50:49against it or that it looks you know at

1:50:52small-scale least indistinguishable from

1:50:54a DSLR so I'm like well let me just take

1:50:56my entry level DSLR and shoot comparison

1:50:58photos so I shot the same like 12 photos

1:51:02side-by-side one with a canon rebel xti

1:51:05with a 40-millimeter 2.8 portrait lens

1:51:08and one with portrait mode on the seven

1:51:11plus and you know it's not getting its

1:51:14still a DSLR and it still has a much

1:51:16better sensor and a much better you know

1:51:18I ad- in a full-frame it's a crop frame

1:51:21right camera but you know for comparing

1:51:25a eight-hundred-dollar camera too

1:51:28nine hundred dollar smartphone the seven

1:51:31plus takes photos that are in fifty to

1:51:35sixty percent of cases on on this beta

1:51:38this number

1:51:39you know betta number one not even

1:51:41really available for public consumption

1:51:43outside of the public beta program it

1:51:45takes photos that are up to a certain

1:51:49point comparable to the DSLR which is

1:51:52that that is a little bit mind-blowing

1:51:54it's like I've taken great photos on an

1:51:56iphone before and great photos that I've

1:51:58preferred to a photo that my cannon shot

1:52:01but the but 22 not necessarily show up

1:52:05the cannon and a 40-millimeter portrait

1:52:07but to play in the same ballpark is that

1:52:10to like go into a major league baseball

1:52:12game and be like no I'm not going to bat

1:52:14400 but I'm still gonna hit some pitches

1:52:16and I'm gonna maybe like get a double or

1:52:18triple every now and again like from a

1:52:20cell phone camera that that blows my

1:52:23mind

1:52:23it's a very Phil Schiller feature

1:52:26because i know that Phil is a serious

1:52:29amateur photography enthusiasts and he

1:52:31really described it so fairly onstage

1:52:34because he emphasized he went over

1:52:36backwards to emphasize that in no way

1:52:37shape or form does this feature on the

1:52:39iphone pose any threat to digital SLR as

1:52:44the terms of a genuine image quality

1:52:46yeah it right it's not going to replace

1:52:48your DSLR but some of the shots that you

1:52:51get with this are in this is it like

1:52:54here too for uncharted territory between

1:52:59what you get with these little tiny

1:53:02lenses and sensors on phones and what

1:53:05you can get with an SLR like it isn't

1:53:08side-by-side the image quality is you

1:53:10know not going to do the fake boca isn't

1:53:12going to compare to the real shallow

1:53:14depth of field of a nice camera but when

1:53:17you just look at the image it is on when

1:53:20it works it's so much better than the

1:53:22image you were going to get without this

1:53:23effect

1:53:24oh yeah and it's when it and when it

1:53:27works well it's it's incredible it's one

1:53:29of those things where you i hate i hate

1:53:31this phrase but it's still relevant it's

1:53:34the whole best cameras the camera that

1:53:36you have with you idea and it's like the

1:53:39t4i is a wonderful

1:53:41camera and I definitely like I bring it

1:53:43along when i'm going to things where I

1:53:46want semi-professional photos like

1:53:48weddings or vacations things where I

1:53:51really want to have beautiful memories

1:53:53and I want like to be able to shoot some

1:53:55artsy photography and with the iphone 7

1:54:00plus like things I wouldn't bring it

1:54:02along to or are like events like I went

1:54:04to yesterday where Rick and I went to

1:54:06like a corn maze and like picked out

1:54:08pumpkins and I'm like I'm not gonna

1:54:09bring a fancy camera to shoot pumpkins

1:54:11on because you know it's that I don't

1:54:14know it's not it's not 2006 this is not

1:54:17this is not my life anymore but I shot a

1:54:20whole bunch of stuff on the seven plus

1:54:22and looking through those photos I'm

1:54:24like these are not again these are not

1:54:26photos that are going to beat the t4i if

1:54:28I had brought the t4i along but I'm not

1:54:31regularly carrying my rebel my rebel

1:54:34doesn't fit into my back pocket and for

1:54:37me to be able to get photos that are

1:54:39like 75% the quality of the rebel and

1:54:42photos that i would feel comfortable

1:54:43even because they were in good light

1:54:46blowing up 22 like a picture frame or

1:54:49something like that like that's that's

1:54:51pretty fantastic that's not that's a

1:54:53really wonderful step forward for mobile

1:54:55photography the threshold for do I want

1:54:57this heavy camera on a strap around my

1:54:59neck all afternoon is getting higher and

1:55:02higher Mars getting raised for just how

1:55:05much I care about the pictures to do it

1:55:07yes exactly how many years of these

1:55:11pictures going to be in in rotation and

1:55:14you know have how big a size am i going

1:55:16to eventually want to blow them up

1:55:18I am so curious as to how long it's

1:55:22going to take for this dual camera

1:55:24system to trickle down to the smaller

1:55:26size like is I I'd you know is next year

1:55:30too soon it might be because it's you

1:55:32know like optical image stabilization

1:55:34took 22 years

1:55:36yeah a little of course when it when it

1:55:39came it came for both image and video

1:55:41you know that is true so it's like less

1:55:44than two years behind it's like you know

1:55:46it it caught up to where they were last

1:55:48year

1:55:48yeah I I think it's really going to

1:55:50depend on

1:55:52how the form factor changes if at all in

1:55:55the next iPhone because you know they're

1:55:57there of course rumors of the idea of

1:55:59getting rid of the top and the bottom of

1:56:00the bezel and making the iphone a little

1:56:02bit smaller

1:56:03you know squat wise and while that would

1:56:08be awesome from a holding a plus model

1:56:11perspective it does mean that you're

1:56:13taking away usable space for things like

1:56:15sensors and battery and stuff along

1:56:18those lines so I get it thats that is

1:56:21gonna be a big question if they change

1:56:22the form factor are they still going to

1:56:24have enough space to to add the double

1:56:27lens camera on the seven and if they do

1:56:30are they going to have enough space to

1:56:32to add stabilization to the second lens

1:56:34on the plus because i think that's

1:56:36that's the no-brainer next step feature

1:56:38work putting any bigger the the seventh

1:56:42the telephoto sensor also has a smaller

1:56:44sensor than the the wide-angle lens and

1:56:47that's that's also something that's like

1:56:48damaging the photos a little bit not

1:56:51only time i think that one though is a

1:56:52factor of like if you do the sideways

1:56:55drawing of the lens optics it's yeah

1:56:57it's impossible idea i think it's

1:56:59actually impossible unless they made the

1:57:01bump stick out further that they're sort

1:57:03of like a macbook the sensor size is

1:57:05determined by ok if we make the lens

1:57:07this is how big the lens will be

1:57:09circumference this is how thick the lens

1:57:11you know how far out we're going to

1:57:13allow it to protrude on the bond then

1:57:15you just draw these lines and then that

1:57:17defines how big the sensor is so I think

1:57:19that I the consternation that people had

1:57:22about the sensor size of the telephoto

1:57:25thing was misplaced because there's

1:57:27there's nothing that can be done about

1:57:28that

1:57:29yeah it's it's physics there's anybody

1:57:31with a wider if they put a wider angle

1:57:33lens like a fish islands you can get an

1:57:35even bigger sensor because it would you

1:57:37know

1:57:38mhm but because of the objects right

1:57:40yeah absolutely

1:57:42oh is that would be a huge one why do

1:57:45you think why do you think that portrait

1:57:47mode is in beta

1:57:49I on it's better than I thought I

1:57:52thought it was going to be like crashy

1:57:53not it seems to me like the only

1:57:56problems it has is that it's still

1:57:59sometimes you know buzzes out the side

1:58:01of your head or something like that

1:58:02yes data it i mean suit

1:58:05here's by my curiosity and my question

1:58:08is I wonder if they're using

1:58:09differential privacy and in the beta

1:58:15together like anonymous information

1:58:17about these photos to faithful two

1:58:20better figure out I don't know how they

1:58:21would have a little because I didn't

1:58:23happen to anything privacy well now he

1:58:25didn't it seems like it's all just right

1:58:27there you just had to opt in to say I

1:58:29agree that this is a beta

1:58:30yeah but i'm not sure if that's in the

1:58:32baby like that because that's the thing

1:58:34i would think is that you use it as a

1:58:37beta so that you can have people you can

1:58:40not only have data to figure out how to

1:58:42make your your detection better but you

1:58:44can also have people give feedback and

1:58:46say like you know this picture is great

1:58:48except that blurred out half of my hair

1:58:50and and this picture of an object is

1:58:53great except you know half of the object

1:58:55is out of focus and granted you know

1:58:57object object detection is not

1:58:59officially supported in any way shape or

1:59:01form if you go by the official apple

1:59:03line

1:59:04the only thing you should use portrait

1:59:05mode for is portraits but of course

1:59:07people like taking closeup pictures of

1:59:10their pets and objects and things like I

1:59:12saw a great photo of a pair of boots

1:59:15today I'm that can go anywhere account

1:59:17as well yeah and it's a it is a perfect

1:59:20example of a photo where I wouldn't want

1:59:23it i'm not i'm not enough of a photo

1:59:25nerd and it without zooming in just

1:59:28looking at it at the natural size if you

1:59:30wanted two Pepsi challenge me like okay

1:59:32was the shot with portrait motor was

1:59:34shot with a two-thousand-dollar canon

1:59:37SLR and a 50-millimeter prime lines i

1:59:39would not want to answer the question

1:59:40because I now I I can't tell you can

1:59:43only really tell blowing it up to full

1:59:45screen resolution on my 5k imac right

1:59:48and that's sort of sort of one of the

1:59:51reasons that I think that this feature

1:59:55is going to be so popular and it's so

1:59:56useful is that so much of the time we

1:59:58spend looking at

1:59:58spend looking at

2:00:00at photos is on iphones or you know

2:00:03other phone sized screens and the

2:00:05difference between the fake depth effect

2:00:08and the real optical depth effect of the

2:00:10better camera it's it's way harder than

2:00:13smaller you make the picture of the

2:00:14harder it is to tell the difference

2:00:16absolutely and they're doing apple is

2:00:18doing a really smart thing here in terms

2:00:21of the levels of detection they're using

2:00:24the the depth map that they're making

2:00:25where I feel like android there have

2:00:29been android phones that have attempted

2:00:31to do a feature like this right now

2:00:33before and I'm actually our friend

2:00:35friend of I more and our Canadian editor

2:00:38Daniel Bader did a comparison between

2:00:40the honor 8 camera and and the iphone

2:00:43which because they both have dual lens

2:00:44systems and I'm fake bouquet kind of

2:00:46effect on but the difference

2:00:50the main difference is that not only is

2:00:52Apple using this is a in a in a pseudo

2:00:55telephoto portrait style lens but

2:00:58there-there blurring the blurs are our

2:01:00soft when it works well the blurs are

2:01:03soft gradual and intentional so that in

2:01:06the very far back of the picture you've

2:01:08got it sort of Max gaussian blur but if

2:01:11you get to like the second death

2:01:13select the the leaves like I'm looking

2:01:15at one of the the corn pictures that I

2:01:17did the leaves right behind my head or

2:01:19only slightly blurred when you compare

2:01:22that to the blur at the very back of the

2:01:24corn field which is much more blurred

2:01:26and almost to the effect it almost to

2:01:28the extent where you get kind of the

2:01:30quote-unquote bouquet style light

2:01:33aberrations whereas stuff like the honor

2:01:37eight just does a flat blur and doesn't

2:01:40really try and make a super depth map of

2:01:42it or maybe it tries to make a depth map

2:01:44but it just fails utterly and just ends

2:01:46up just doing a mass like here's here is

2:01:49the subject cut out of the picture and

2:01:50then here is just straight gaussian blur

2:01:52and that's that was my fear when

2:01:54portrait mode launched is that it was

2:01:56when it launched when it was announced

2:01:57was that it was going to just be that

2:02:00where it's just going to be straight

2:02:01gaussian blur and then subject cut out

2:02:04and they've really done something much

2:02:05more refined with ice

2:02:07I guessed very wrong about how it's

2:02:08going to work my initial guess coming

2:02:11out a day one of the apple event

2:02:12so what they said was my guess was what

2:02:14they were going to do is use the two

2:02:17cameras to create the depth map and use

2:02:19that to set focus . this focus . on the

2:02:22the telephoto lens which would take the

2:02:24main image but that they would then take

2:02:27a second image with the wide angle arm

2:02:30it yet with a wide-angle camera but a

2:02:32focal length of like one inch so that

2:02:35would blur everything everything would

2:02:37be blurry and then they would crop that

2:02:39you know something like that we consider

2:02:41that you'd get actual optical blur from

2:02:44the world but that's not how they're

2:02:45doing it all that is not now and it

2:02:48might be in the future I don't know but

2:02:51it's this it the reason I my mind went

2:02:54that way is I thought it would look

2:02:55better but this looks so much just looks

2:02:57so much better than I thought it would

2:02:59based on the fact that it's all in

2:03:00software promised us you know all with

2:03:04all the imagery coming from the one lens

2:03:06oh yeah there's I mean some of these

2:03:08images i look at and and like this the

2:03:12isp was able to give this to me in under

2:03:14a second like this didn't take them 5

2:03:17minutes of rendering to know to put

2:03:19everything and it's you know they're

2:03:20doing it live I mean it's so fast that

2:03:22it the preview is live but i do feel i

2:03:24wonder if that is one of the reasons

2:03:26they're calling it betta because the

2:03:27frame rate on the live preview it's

2:03:29important no I'm complaining about this

2:03:31thing that a couple years ago would have

2:03:33taken like 30 seconds to render in

2:03:35Photoshop you know you have like a

2:03:37progress bar showing you know classes

2:03:40and now i'm getting it as a live preview

2:03:42and i'm complaining about how slow it is

2:03:44because the framerate looks to me like

2:03:46it's somewhere in the twenties it's it

2:03:49yeah under 30 frames per second

2:03:52yeah it's tough i would say looking

2:03:55looking at it side to side it's probably

2:03:5720 words but maybe it's not even it's

2:04:02not static know maybe it varies given

2:04:05the complexity of the of the picture and

2:04:07it definitely seen it stutter when it's

2:04:09trying to figure out more complex depth

2:04:12maps even in in times when the actual

2:04:16picture ends up coming out really well

2:04:18like a picture of pumpkins i took the

2:04:20original depth map that it was

2:04:21previewing for me had like half of the

2:04:23pumpkins blurred

2:04:25and I've and I've learned kind of to

2:04:26trust that the isp knows what it's doing

2:04:28and even if the preview is incorrect

2:04:30it's probably gonna look better

2:04:32it really must have killed the product

2:04:34team that this didn't wasn't able to

2:04:36ship in the first version just because

2:04:39all all of our initial reviews didn't do

2:04:43all we ever be included yeah all we

2:04:45could mention about portrait mode is

2:04:46that you know this is a feature that's

2:04:48coming in at software update my hands

2:04:51it is super compelling and my better

2:04:53better to get it right than to ship it

2:04:56early and have it be not great right and

2:04:58it's like it's not bad right now it's

2:05:00it's very promising for 4 beta 1 but I

2:05:03am glad that they're starting it as a

2:05:05beta rather than shipping it unfinished

2:05:07or shipping it kind of with a half

2:05:10hazard edge detection

2:05:11I just don't know how they're gathering

2:05:13data to fix it wallets in the beta i

2:05:16don't know either and I have definitely

2:05:17noticed and i don't know how much this

2:05:19is factoring into the beta description

2:05:22like you said it definitely wants you to

2:05:24take a picture of a person because it's

2:05:26hit it you know it's doing this facial

2:05:29recognition to get the focus . a

2:05:30definite and when I've tried to use it

2:05:32to shoot an inanimate objects

2:05:34the results are it's harder it it often

2:05:38refuses to even engage depth mode and

2:05:41I'm even when it does it's it's almost

2:05:44sometimes all messed up in terms of and

2:05:46it's just a blur have you manually have

2:05:48used the manual focus . by tapping the

2:05:52screen

2:05:52yeah yeah but it doesn't that's it

2:05:55doesn't work it's sometimes it doesn't

2:05:57help it doesn't suffer some reason it

2:05:59alittle focus on that . it does it's not

2:06:01that it doesn't focus but it isn't able

2:06:03to do the depth map to do that yet to do

2:06:06the blower properly for their you know I

2:06:08probably most people most people

2:06:10listening either don't have already have

2:06:13a 7 plus in their hands and even if they

2:06:15do they may not be foolish enough to be

2:06:16running a developer bit on so by the

2:06:18time most people listen to this they you

2:06:21know they want to use it first and the

2:06:23thing is it's it's very much like the

2:06:26HDR indicator so when you're you know

2:06:29before you even snap the photo if you

2:06:31have HDR on it'll it'll the HDR

2:06:34indicator turns bright yellow so you

2:06:36know you're getting an HDR is on like if

2:06:38you have

2:06:38you're set to auto so when you have when

2:06:41you're shooting in portrait mode you

2:06:44know whether it sees where that's going

2:06:46to shoot with the motor not because it

2:06:48actually turns yellow with a yellow

2:06:50background and says depth effect and if

2:06:52it does if you don't see that you're not

2:06:54going to get you're definitely not going

2:06:56to get the depth effect so you don't

2:06:58even have to judge it based on the the

2:07:01live preview to see if you see the fuzzy

2:07:03background or whatever if you don't see

2:07:05that yellow indicator of depth effect it

2:07:07doesn't it's it's confused by what it's

2:07:09what's in the frame and hasn't yet done

2:07:11it and with inanimate objects it

2:07:13definitely can take a lot longer than

2:07:15with humans humorously with humans you

2:07:18really can just sort of put in that mode

2:07:20frame it shoot and trust that it's going

2:07:23to use depth effect

2:07:24yeah it's not too bad with pets it works

2:07:26pretty quickly I my question my question

2:07:29was because of that that the big

2:07:31similarities you know I eyes and a

2:07:33Roundhead does it does it seem to do

2:07:35better with pets then say in a bottles

2:07:38or shoes yeah oh yeah it has it has a

2:07:41lot of problems with anything that's my

2:07:42reflective iso iphones it doesn't have a

2:07:45huge success rate with right now

2:07:48especially chip black I phones or I

2:07:51tried to take a picture of a whiskey

2:07:53bottle that I put in my DSLR comparison

2:07:55and it was like half blur and half bit

2:07:58whiskey bottle and then the label was

2:07:59blurred out so it has problems with

2:08:01writing and it has problems with

2:08:02reflection that pets seem to it it seems

2:08:06to treat pets pretty well I've gotten

2:08:08some really really spectacular pictures

2:08:10of my dogs with them with this mode

2:08:14engaged and even i was taking pictures

2:08:16today out on a walk with that with one

2:08:20of the dogs so this was motion portrait

2:08:23mode and even even like wall my dog was

2:08:27moving it managed to get a pretty good

2:08:29pretty good picture I've only granted

2:08:31I've only looked at it at on the like

2:08:33preview and photos so i could go back

2:08:35and look at it now and it could be awful

2:08:36but to my to my recollection of actually

2:08:40looks pretty great

2:08:41yeah I shot a a whiskey bottle actually

2:08:47for friend cause it was somebody was

2:08:48looking for a recommendation and

2:08:51and I it came out amazing i think i'll

2:08:54send it to you now open to the right

2:08:56person

2:08:58nope that's my dad hello Anna

2:09:02now it but it was definitely but it

2:09:04definitely took some time to with the

2:09:07playing with manual focus to to get the

2:09:10depth effect indicator to come on

2:09:13yeah a date you have to take a little

2:09:15while and then even when the depth

2:09:16effect indicator comes on it may not

2:09:18always work on they I feel like with

2:09:22objects and with non non human subjects

2:09:25there's one of two things that happens

2:09:27it's either it blurs out too much stuff

2:09:30and it goes you know too much into the

2:09:33into the actual object or it creates

2:09:36this very fine cut around the around the

2:09:40subject and if you zoom in you can see

2:09:42like the media like I'm a millimeter

2:09:45half a millimeter of fuzz of the of the

2:09:48pre blurred background but when you're

2:09:52looking at it you know and just on it an

2:09:55iphone screen you can't really tell ya I

2:10:00also in this this whiskey bottle shot

2:10:02that i sent it is one more example of it

2:10:05to me wear it it seems to me like and

2:10:10again maybe I'm and I'm getting a

2:10:14placebo effect here because I'm seeing

2:10:15what I want to see but I i think so far

2:10:19and this is something I've only noticed

2:10:20after i wrote my initial review but it

2:10:22seems to me like the noise you get from

2:10:24the iphone 7 cameras is a more pleasant

2:10:27noise especially on the telephone oh

2:10:30yeah and they're this whiskey bottle

2:10:33shot i sent you to me and it's sort of

2:10:35it i used to have this camera here from

2:10:38years ago / used it so much that it

2:10:40actually i use it until it wore out and

2:10:42like it

2:10:42it broke like the digital camera just it

2:10:45it just doesn't work right anyone's ever

2:10:47called a Rico is from rico is a ricoh gr

2:10:49d

2:10:50enrico is sort of an obscure everybody

2:10:53knows he's like a photocopier can pick

2:10:55company they don't have a big presence

2:10:57in north america and when i bought the

2:10:59ricoh gr di think it was like two

2:11:00thousand six or so it was like a

2:11:02point-and-shoot with a fixed 28

2:11:05millimeter f1 . o f 1.8 lens or maybe

2:11:09it's a two-point lines but a very very

2:11:10fast lens for especially for 2005-2006

2:11:13pointe shoes yeah and i had a bite on

2:11:16the gray market because they didn't

2:11:17actually sell it in north america but it

2:11:20was my was probably one of my favorite

2:11:22probably my very favorite camera camera

2:11:25that I've ever done in my life in fact I

2:11:26wouldn't hesitate as it's just accept

2:11:28camera it

2:11:30I've take I took more great photos with

2:11:32that camera because it was small but one

2:11:34of the things rico and it made me buy it

2:11:36was a Treecko had this reputation that

2:11:39their digital image processing created

2:11:44more film like noise right noises in

2:11:48with small digital cameras noises

2:11:50inevitable there's no way to get around

2:11:51it that's it the combination of this

2:11:53size of the sensor and the size of the

2:11:54lens you're gonna have noise but that it

2:11:58some of the shots shot over the years

2:12:00with Arika really to me look like vivid

2:12:03film prints but like you know iso 400 or

2:12:06ISO 800 film prints where you know there

2:12:08is no there's definite film grain and

2:12:12but it's just pleasant to look at

2:12:13I think the iphone 7 cameras to have

2:12:15that sort of effect that it they've and

2:12:19I think it's to their credit where maybe

2:12:21I think in if you wanted to knock the

2:12:23iphone 6 and 6s cameras that maybe they

2:12:26went too far trying to reduce noise you

2:12:28know and that the noise reduction that

2:12:29the bad effects of noise reduction we're

2:12:31a little bit too visible they try and

2:12:33smooth it a lot and that's something I

2:12:35mean I see that i'm sending you a couple

2:12:37pictures trading after a couple of

2:12:40lowlight pictures especially and i'm

2:12:43still seeing that sort of smoothing

2:12:44process happening on the wide angle lens

2:12:49and on sort of brighter brighter facial

2:12:53tones when you're shooting indoors but

2:12:55that these Dark Shadows I think that

2:12:58iphone 7 and 7 plus cameras are doing so

2:13:00much better on whereas prior you kind of

2:13:03got just either like a flat like very

2:13:06very very gated blur on on people's

2:13:09faces just it's I can't describe the

2:13:11smoothing exactly but it it feels very

2:13:13digital it feels very Tatton not tacky

2:13:16isn't a bad thing but tackies and woman

2:13:18almost sticky almost yeah there's

2:13:20nowhere to picture you sent me of rick

2:13:22is a great example i get nobody's going

2:13:23to call this your best picture of brick

2:13:25but now is it but it fits doesn't it has

2:13:29a character to it that you just never

2:13:30would have thought came from a phone

2:13:31camera exactly they this thing off to

2:13:34blur on that is beautiful and you end up

2:13:36with ya and I'm looking at the noise

2:13:38it's in your eye is that your kitchen I

2:13:40don't know but there's yeah that's my

2:13:42kitchen it's obviously at night and

2:13:43there's dark shadows underneath the

2:13:44cabinets and there's no did not really

2:13:46noise underneath them

2:13:48it's really more effective yeah it's a

2:13:50lie i'm really looking forward to

2:13:52especially one of the sort of downsides

2:13:56to the telephoto lens is of course

2:13:59because it doesn't have is and because

2:14:01it's a two-point at 2.8 aperture and on

2:14:05the normal photo mode if you try and

2:14:07shoot in a low light situation it

2:14:09automatically defaults to the wide angle

2:14:11lens zoomed in 2 X but it doesn't do

2:14:15that with portrait mode so you can

2:14:16actually use portrait mode even if

2:14:18you're not using the depth effect to

2:14:20shoot low light portraits with that

2:14:22telephoto lens and I i really do think

2:14:24the telephoto has a much nicer grain

2:14:27many me because of the fact that the the

2:14:30aperture is a little bit higher and and

2:14:33the light received to the sensor is a

2:14:35little bit different but yes it really

2:14:37does produce these really beautiful

2:14:39maybe it's just the framing but it it

2:14:41produces these really beautiful almost

2:14:43film like images and i like that i love

2:14:46i love that texture

2:14:47yeah and I'd some people would complain

2:14:49like but we went into my ricoh nerdery

2:14:51that the the counter-argument was you

2:14:54shouldn't be trying to simulate film you

2:14:56know be cured to digital and I think

2:14:58that's nonsense I think you should be

2:15:00trying you know that that the engine was

2:15:02a good image right the engineers should

2:15:03be optimizing for pleasantness and

2:15:05whether that means simulating film or

2:15:08not it doesn't matter

2:15:09does this look is this more pleasing to

2:15:12your eye and if the answer is yes then

2:15:14do it whether it's legitimately digital

2:15:16or fake analog you know don't worry

2:15:18exactly don't know looking at that

2:15:20looking at that whiskey bottle you sent

2:15:21me like the yes the blur is artificial

2:15:24and the blur is gaussian and I'll a lot

2:15:26of people are throwing their hands up

2:15:28and just being like well it doesn't look

2:15:29like an optical blurring looks so fake

2:15:31and like yeah but the picture of the

2:15:35whiskey bottle with the artificial blur

2:15:37looks about a hundred times better than

2:15:39the whiskey bottle without the

2:15:40artificial blur

2:15:41it's actually not a gaussian blur

2:15:43identity is Matthew pantry no friend of

2:15:47the show off you know frequent guest

2:15:50hehe got the scoop on this he got like

2:15:52two days pre-release access beta

2:15:55software and a really great article at

2:15:57TechCrunch on on this thing and he had

2:16:00written that it was a gaussian blur

2:16:02because somebody at apple and in product

2:16:04marketing that's what they told him that

2:16:05that's what they told against somebody

2:16:07who worked on the the code was like oh

2:16:10no and then it was like this whole

2:16:11hassle of like somewhere within Apple

2:16:13somebody you know who worked on the code

2:16:16wanted it to be known that no we're not

2:16:17just doing a gaussian blur they've

2:16:19stopped forget the term but it's like

2:16:20they they've created their own custom

2:16:23disc player

2:16:24okay well so i got my information from

2:16:27matts original review so now that that's

2:16:29very interesting

2:16:30I can't believe that yet if you reloaded

2:16:32he's got like a an updated exception but

2:16:34it was very same amount of sense where

2:16:36that it's a disc board that because

2:16:38that's sort of the bokeh effect

2:16:40yeah well it gets you it gets you closer

2:16:43to that that light effect that lighting

2:16:45effect that people associate with the

2:16:47sort of boca look one of the few things

2:16:52i dunno about photography is that the

2:16:55effect of actual boca it matters what

2:17:00shape the iris what's the iris of the

2:17:04camera called The in terms of the

2:17:07lengths that the the thing that opens in

2:17:10front of the lens and a little disk

2:17:12thing that opens in a sort of shatter

2:17:14yeah shatter the shape of the shutter

2:17:16always depends on how it renders yeah

2:17:20and a less expensive camera will

2:17:22fewer parts to the shutter because it's

2:17:25cheaper right shall we have a five sided

2:17:27thing whereas a more expensive camera

2:17:29has more parts and so therefore it's

2:17:31more it it's closer to a sphere as it

2:17:33opens interesting and so a more

2:17:36expensive so just looking at like

2:17:38cannons 50-millimeter lenses you get

2:17:40better boca out of the more expensive

2:17:42ones be one of the reasons why is the

2:17:45glasses better but number two because

2:17:47the shutter has more elements it

2:17:48actually creates more of a spherical

2:17:50bokeh effect that makes a lot of sense

2:17:52so it makes sense to me that they're

2:17:54blurs a disc player yet to try and

2:17:57emulate well and also on the pictures

2:18:00that I just sent you are from my DSLR

2:18:02comparison and the top one is the iphone

2:18:047 plus and the bottom is the canon xti

2:18:08and you can definitely see the

2:18:10difference in sort of that that lighting

2:18:13effect

2:18:13yeah between subject and that the light

2:18:16coming through the trees

2:18:17yeah in terms of how that let's operate

2:18:20so that that is something i didn't know

2:18:22about about the shape of the shutter and

2:18:23how much and that actually makes a ton

2:18:25of sense because you're dealing with a

2:18:26much smaller lunch by nature kinda has

2:18:31to be less complex camera because

2:18:32there's really only so much space you

2:18:34can fit inside there and so concludes

2:18:39the half hour segments of the talk show

2:18:41where I talk about the camera I won't

2:18:42have my last yeah okay i mean it's it's

2:18:47about the price of a DSLR so you could

2:18:50always buy and monitors with their yeah

2:18:54i'm now say I just as a final point of

2:18:57the show that it's I spent almost a full

2:18:59two weeks with the plus as my of soul

2:19:03camera practically speaking and loved

2:19:05the loved the camera especially love the

2:19:09portrait mode and hated everything else

2:19:12and everything else everything else I

2:19:14really really just I just dislike the

2:19:17size i use my phone too much one-handed

2:19:19to to use the + and so I'm i am

2:19:23convinced that my love for the dual

2:19:26camera system inside it still doesn't

2:19:28outweigh that the benefits to me just

2:19:31the hand feel and pocket feel of the

2:19:33smaller one

2:19:33yeah the the large one for me is

2:19:36definitely a trade off for the camera

2:19:38and it

2:19:39it pains my soul because i really i

2:19:41really love the jet black iphone 7 it's

2:19:44it is so comfortable it's a reason why

2:19:46there's a Senate case on that one and

2:19:47not on the plus yet i realized i do

2:19:51realize that's over my advice to people

2:19:52though is if you if you can vaguely

2:19:54tolerate even just yeah I don't really

2:19:56love it but I can tolerate the plus get

2:19:58the plus because it is amazing and for

2:20:02the first time like in previous years I

2:20:03definitely reviewed the plus and I spend

2:20:06a couple days with it but it was so

2:20:08clear to me that I didn't want it that i

2:20:10spent most of my time with the one I

2:20:11figured I'd use

2:20:12where's this is the first year where i

2:20:13spent like a two solid weeks living with

2:20:15it as my day-to-day phone and the

2:20:17battery life difference really relatable

2:20:20knocking it's almost comical like there

2:20:22was one night where I literally forgot

2:20:23to charge my phone overnight because i

2:20:25was just so back and forth between two

2:20:27phones and I'm gonna just left it

2:20:29downstairs and I it still had 44-percent

2:20:32back your life was like that what's that

2:20:34what's your iphone 7 battery at right

2:20:36now I don't have the percentage on and i

2:20:38actually was plugging it in while we

2:20:40recorded ok well last night though it

2:20:44did get got down to teach got down to

2:20:46the red before i went yet that I mean

2:20:48the iphone 7 battery is certainly much

2:20:50better than the than the success so even

2:20:52if you're upgrading from 4.7 inch to 4.7

2:20:55inch you're going to see a good good

2:20:57upgrade but all man that the pluses

2:20:59battery life I mean I for my when I

2:21:01switched back to the success from the 6s

2:21:03plus last year I pretty much had a had

2:21:07an apple battery case on that thing

2:21:09pretty much constantly since after the

2:21:12Apple better case was released because

2:21:14I'm just like well this is easy because

2:21:15it has the Lightning connector so i can

2:21:17plug it into all my lightning things and

2:21:19it basically gives me the battery life

2:21:21of the plus but now I get to have the

2:21:23battery life of of the of that kind of

2:21:26an iphone but I get to carry it without

2:21:28a case and I get to enjoy the jet black

2:21:29finish that probably would not happen if

2:21:32i had an iphone 7 i'd probably just put

2:21:35it back in the battery case i like i

2:21:39like my battery

2:21:41I

2:21:42I i I've you know the battery life on

2:21:45the iphone 7 is fine and it does seem if

2:21:48anything a little bit better i think in

2:21:50real life than success for me but it's

2:21:52nothing compared to the plus the pluses

2:21:54yak it really is like having a battery

2:21:56case case on your phone and I you know

2:21:58that I'm not saying anything everybody

2:22:00doesn't know or that the advertised

2:22:01specs don't indicate but it's that you

2:22:04could just use the hell out of it and

2:22:05and not even worried about a charge

2:22:07mhm so anyway that's my take anything

2:22:10else you wanted to cover before we wrap

2:22:12things up

2:22:13oh gosh I feel like we could talk Apple

2:22:17watch but there's so much

2:22:18yeah it's I I don't have a lot to say

2:22:21about it because it's not that different

2:22:23from of slaves you call it i love the

2:22:26series 0 i love it but it's it's you

2:22:30know a series 0 that's updated to watch

2:22:32os3 is you know it it's got almost

2:22:37everything the brighter screen no is

2:22:38enough for me because I really is the

2:22:41difference between being unreadable and

2:22:43yeah I can read it in bright sunlight

2:22:45yeah the brighter screen is is pretty

2:22:47nice oh it's especially nice for me

2:22:49because and this is kind of my big thing

2:22:52is that i had a 38 millimeters series 0

2:22:55and I don't know how many people who

2:22:57listen to your show which struggled with

2:22:59the thirty eight millimeter all for the

2:23:01last you know 17 18 months but the

2:23:04thirty eight millimeter has a portent

2:23:07battery life

2:23:08I mean it was it was made with pretty

2:23:10much the bare minimum you know the the

2:23:13bare minimum acceptability standards i

2:23:15think because i would use that I would

2:23:18use that watch you know 12 hour workout

2:23:21and that watch would be down to like

2:23:22forty percent and it would die around

2:23:256-7 p.m. for me and I would you know

2:23:27like I figured out ways to to make it

2:23:29work where I would like charge it while

2:23:31i was showering and thankfully like

2:23:34quick charge would work but it was it

2:23:35was such a pain

2:23:37yeah it's really frustrating with it i

2:23:39think if you didn't use work out maybe

2:23:41not but anybody use the workout featured

2:23:43I've heard yeah I mean it's same thing

2:23:45with Amy joanna stern was on the show a

2:23:47while back and you know it was a big

2:23:49part of our review

2:23:50yeah 38 millimeters combined with work

2:23:52out

2:23:53you actually kind of need to figure out

2:23:55a way to to sneak a charge in during the

2:23:57day

2:23:58yeah which is which is really

2:24:00unfortunate better is that better series

2:24:02too i get off tonight day it's think

2:24:05it's actually incredible because one of

2:24:06my big fears when they announced you

2:24:09know they were talking serious too and

2:24:10they mentioned nothing about the battery

2:24:12but they did say gps and they said

2:24:14brighter screen and they said faster

2:24:18processor and those three things to me

2:24:20said oh great the series 238 millimeter

2:24:23is going to have the same if not worse

2:24:25battery life and I'm going to be really

2:24:28unhappy I and then you know I talked to

2:24:30a pineapple spokesperson at the event

2:24:33and they're like actually there is a

2:24:34slightly bigger battery in the thirty

2:24:36eight millimeter we're just not

2:24:36advertising it and actual use case has

2:24:42been incredible like to the fact where i

2:24:44was i was doing a two-hour workouts like

2:24:47I would do an a thirty-minute workout in

2:24:49the morning just doing an outdoor walk

2:24:51with my with my dogs and then i would go

2:24:53you know i would use it throughout the

2:24:55day I would use Siri i would use

2:24:57directions i would even pull up off the

2:24:59couple of times to like dude my

2:25:01two-factor authentication I had my

2:25:02screen on the brightest setting and then

2:25:05I go and play roller derby for two hours

2:25:07and I'd come back and take a shower with

2:25:09the thing on and look in my battery was

2:25:12still twenty percent at the end of the

2:25:13day and that like that has never

2:25:15happened to me in the history of Apple

2:25:17watch and especially it was it was

2:25:18extremely noticeable I war three watches

2:25:22on my wrists for about 48 hours straight

2:25:25where I had a series to a series 1 and a

2:25:27serious their hall

2:25:28it's just a test all the same thing to

2:25:31do . public like that i did but i had

2:25:33long sleeves but the only time I people

2:25:37actually saw it was when i was playing

2:25:38derby and I got a little a little bit of

2:25:40grief their holy shit you look like such

2:25:43you're actually doing actual work that

2:25:46is practically you know has practical

2:25:48effects for your readers but you just

2:25:49wait look I look like a jackass yeah I I

2:25:54tried to like hide it as much as

2:25:56possible but I did like I got some

2:25:58valuable information on 30 millimeter

2:26:00battery tests and that's

2:26:02I don't know I mean I maybe it's

2:26:04entirely sure that you not publish them

2:26:07tomorrow if you're coming tomorrow

2:26:09yeah i think this because I would have

2:26:10been terrible alright the show will

2:26:13probably come out tomorrow we will

2:26:14there we go yeah well send you the link

2:26:16is trying to get in the show notes that

2:26:21is good to hear that i feel and i feel

2:26:23like that's very practical i think one

2:26:24thing too is if I here faster cpu and

2:26:28i'm still thinking like in the old days

2:26:29where well the faster cpu the more power

2:26:32is going to consume whereas I think

2:26:34especially on a wearable it's actually

2:26:36the opposite where yeah but I should say

2:26:39right because you're you're looking at

2:26:41the screen last because you're not

2:26:42waiting as long and it's the screen

2:26:44that's wait burning way more power than

2:26:47the cpu so if you can raise your wrist

2:26:49see what you want to see and have and

2:26:52lower your wrist it's actually have a

2:26:53win on battery life

2:26:55oh yeah you know I never I never used

2:26:57raised to wake for siri 0 because I

2:27:00thought it was gonna just kill my

2:27:02battery life because I do enough like

2:27:04just stimulating with my hands that to

2:27:06have the screen randomly turn on and off

2:27:08I'm like that's just gonna drain my

2:27:09battery and I would ki kept it on the

2:27:11lowest brightness setting for an entire

2:27:13don't know 16 17 months because I just

2:27:16when it was on its brightest battery

2:27:17setting and raised awake I couldn't get

2:27:19past 3 p.m. with the with the watch so

2:27:22to be able to actually use the brightest

2:27:25battery settings or brightest setting

2:27:27you know I've i'm looking at my watch

2:27:29right now it's sixty percent at 540 p.m.

2:27:32eastern time after having gone on and on

2:27:35hour and 30 minute walk with gps-enabled

2:27:39minus 30 millimeter wasn't ninety-four

2:27:42percent but i haven't and I did not

2:27:44leave that like I've done nothing

2:27:48yeah battery life the brighter screen is

2:27:51a huge win for me I would look forward

2:27:53to your review but I just don't have

2:27:55much more to say them but I've already

2:27:56written it's it's way more about the OS

2:27:58than than the watch even know yet i have

2:28:01those good things to say about the new

2:28:02watch hardware it's it's clearly way

2:28:04more about the software

2:28:06yeah watch us three basically redirected

2:28:08the apple watch to a much smarter place

2:28:11and I don't think that siri 0 is garbage

2:28:13anymore you know it's still it's still

2:28:15quite usable especially

2:28:16with watch us three it's just if you're

2:28:1830 mate that thirty eight millimeter

2:28:20user I series 2 is $OPERAND is the the

2:28:24magic self that your you've been looking

2:28:26for for your Apple watch it just makes

2:28:28it usable well well that's good to hear

2:28:31i will put a link to that in everybody

2:28:33can get all the serenity Caldwell they

2:28:36want on Twitter her username is Saturn

2:28:40SE te RN and and all overworked a time

2:28:44or anything else you wanted to to give a

2:28:46shout-out to before we pull the plug my

2:28:48gosh I other than the apple watch review

2:28:51not too much thank you for having me

2:28:53John this always been defined as always

2:28:55it's always good to have you i wanted

2:28:57somebody who I know is used all this new

2:28:58stuff how about the airport we haven't

2:29:00talked about that do you guys know man

2:29:01units

2:29:02yes so Renee Renee officially got the

2:29:05airport so I only got to play with them

2:29:07in New York and he's been playing with

2:29:08them for the for the last two weeks but

2:29:10the the two days that i play with them i

2:29:12really like them they still don't quite

2:29:15fit in my ears but my ears have never

2:29:18liked air like I i feel like i'm

2:29:20probably $PERCENT of the minority there

2:29:22my my ears just have a tenant they're

2:29:25very small so they have a tendency to

2:29:27like spit out in earpods where they just

2:29:30out there just like no it wasn't a story

2:29:33it so it's just interesting to me that

2:29:34the airport's haven't shipped get there

2:29:36at least a couple weeks away but the

2:29:38beats one of the beach ones that uses

2:29:40the w1 is already shipping so you can

2:29:42let ya people have already bought it

2:29:44yeah you can you can start you can start

2:29:46to play with the with the nifty and

2:29:49apple pairing which I that that's pretty

2:29:52cool i use them so exclusively that I

2:29:55didn't even realize a 10-point a point

2:29:58to just came out and it fixes a weird

2:29:59bug where the the Lightning headphones

2:30:04lose the ability to play pause oh yeah I

2:30:07didn't I didn't catch that because I was

2:30:09I didn't catch it because I think I've i

2:30:11think i think i've been by highlighting

2:30:14your pods in like 4 30 seconds yep they

2:30:17work yet they sound the same back in the

2:30:19box

2:30:19yep it's like okay does just simple

2:30:22checks

2:30:22yeah I switched I really you haven't

2:30:25used anything but bluetooth headphones

2:30:27for the last six or seven month i'm here

2:30:29with it

2:30:30I can't wait for these airports to ship

2:30:31and for everybody to happen they're my

2:30:33favorite favorite thing of the year

2:30:34yeah I I'm gonna look into trying to

2:30:37someone suggested putting subaru on the

2:30:39outside to make them a little bit more

2:30:41pleasurably fitting to two people with

2:30:44weird ears and I'm like I might try that

2:30:46because i really love the concept of

2:30:48airports and I think that even

2:30:50especially on ladies actually I think

2:30:52they actually look pretty good in

2:30:53because they almost look like earrings

2:30:55no way like especially from far away you

2:30:58can't it doesn't it I my biggest fear

2:31:01was oh my god I'm gonna look like an

2:31:02obnoxious like GP dive gps bluetooth

2:31:06later earpiece for circuit 2001 and they

2:31:10you know there i'm not going to say that

2:31:12the most artistically designed things in

2:31:14the world in terms of like fashion

2:31:16forward but they do look much better

2:31:18than I thought they were going to and I

2:31:19feel like the the way that you can move

2:31:21them in your ears to kind of tilt the

2:31:23the end of the airpot and the microphone

2:31:26kind of up or down is really it looks it

2:31:29looks good and that the vocalization

2:31:31especially when something series super

2:31:34impressive in terms of how low you can

2:31:36speak and had still have Siri get your

2:31:38every word

2:31:38it works serie friend like three days i

2:31:40use the airport's serie worked better

2:31:43for me on the air pods then she's ever

2:31:45worked for me on the watch on the phone

2:31:47or in the car

2:31:49interesting I've dictated some pretty

2:31:51pretty complicated texts while you

2:31:54wearing a walking around the city and

2:31:55and it's pretty good yeah i'm really

2:32:00impressed i will say this to as of one

2:32:02last comment is wearing them now and it

2:32:04is the by far away i think it breaks the

2:32:07record of Apple watch of the Apple

2:32:11product that i've had pre-release access

2:32:13to that is generated random people on

2:32:16the streets and stores Philadelphia to

2:32:18ask me is that blank

2:32:2015like way back in $MONTH 2007 there

2:32:24were a lot of people who ask me why

2:32:25didn't have pre I don't have a

2:32:26pre-release iphone then but I bought one

2:32:28no one else did right and people would

2:32:31say is that an iphone is that the iphone

2:32:33in the Apple watch two years ago there

2:32:36was a lot of people especially like when

2:32:37I'd use the Apple pay that the clerk at

2:32:40no Whole Foods was the first place that

2:32:42we had that supported it every single

2:32:45time i did it they'd be like oh my god

2:32:47did you just pay with your watch that's

2:32:48amazing but with these headphones it

2:32:50it's like breaks the record I every

2:32:52every day it's almost like I don't want

2:32:54to wear out because people just stop me

2:32:56and say oh my god how do you are those

2:32:58the Apple things and I say yes and

2:33:00they're like how do you have that and

2:33:01it's it's like it always just say it's a

2:33:03long story really i do you like them and

2:33:07i said i love them i cannot wait for

2:33:09everybody else down but everybody it's

2:33:11amazing to me just as a sign of how much

2:33:13awareness regular people have just

2:33:16people running the register at the acme

2:33:19supermarket you know are totally aware

2:33:22of the fact that Apple is made is coming

2:33:25out with these wireless your pots

2:33:27yeah well it it's funny to me and I

2:33:30don't really watch a lot of local news

2:33:33very much anymore and I remember last

2:33:37year during the the text quote unquote

2:33:39tattoo gate story where I you know I had

2:33:43I happen to have a person who is

2:33:45tattooed that I used to like do tests on

2:33:47with the with the Apple watch to make

2:33:49sure that the Apple watch worked with

2:33:50tattoos and then 24 hours later because

2:33:53we were staying at my parents at the

2:33:54time that was on local news and that was

2:33:57on local news in the morning that was on

2:33:59local news in the afternoon that was on

2:34:01local news in the evening

2:34:03not necessarily my story but just the

2:34:05the idea of like does the apple watch

2:34:07work with tattoos will your wrists be

2:34:09safe and I don't I don't think I really

2:34:12realized until that moment and then

2:34:15until i started doing you know just semi

2:34:17like ranae and I occasionally do likes

2:34:20spots unlike CNBC and stuff and that

2:34:23realizing just how much the the notion

2:34:28of like apples dealings and and

2:34:30day-to-day stuff is affected and shown

2:34:33on local news and that everybody kind of

2:34:35knows what's going on it's it's still a

2:34:36little bit shocking at times I know it's

2:34:38a big deal i know Apple is a giant

2:34:40company and that millions and billions

2:34:42of people pay attention to them but it's

2:34:44it's it's so

2:34:46x hard too hard to remember that when

2:34:48you're in your little bubble writing

2:34:49about camera tests are like how a

2:34:52building zooms totally alright sorry

2:34:55thank you so much for your time thank

2:34:56you for being here what a great

2:34:58conversation like I said you can find

2:35:00her on twitter at set earn and Oliver

2:35:03work at I more thanks very much John

2:35:06yeah talk to you next time yeah

2:35:08definitely