0:00:00oh shit i'm so stupid
0:00:04oh it's not that stupid but I i am
0:00:08starting a new thing where I'm just
0:00:10sharing an apple note with whoever's on
0:00:12the show em okay and then you can just
0:00:15paste we can pace links in there and I
0:00:17get right now all it just says tts 168
0:00:21serenity called anyway the stupid thing
0:00:22is that i was trying to do it and I'm
0:00:25like why can I not do this i know i've
0:00:27done it already and it's because I'm
0:00:29staring at a Mac that's still running el
0:00:31Capitano oh no gotta do it from my phone
0:00:36such technology problems did you get
0:00:40this
0:00:40did you go yesterday anyway it's even a
0:00:42lot of n so we're sharing we are sharing
0:00:44this is my new thing we can't even tell
0:00:46people on the air it's not a secret but
0:00:47I'm i shared a note from Apple notes
0:00:51with serenity so that we could paste
0:00:54links and maybe I'll remember to put all
0:00:56the links in the show notes that I say
0:00:57that seems like a perfect use of the
0:01:01shirt notes feature but before we
0:01:02started recording i spent a minute
0:01:04staring at my screen trying to figure
0:01:07out how to do it and it was because I'm
0:01:08staring at a machine that still running
0:01:10back running l cap which doesn't have
0:01:12the feature where is my collaborate
0:01:15button where has it gone to I am
0:01:18we have so much to talk about and how
0:01:19that we're going to do it but this isn't
0:01:21I'm excited here's what I'm excited
0:01:22about is my last show was with jim
0:01:24dalrymple and everything was still no
0:01:26and I feel like you know like the phones
0:01:28and watch em I don't think Sierra was
0:01:30out yet i like talking about these
0:01:34things more once I've gotten to know
0:01:36them a little better
0:01:37like I even said on my show that last
0:01:39time I found writing a review of the
0:01:40iphone after five days to be incredibly
0:01:42stressful because I don't know what it's
0:01:44really hard right so I'm anxious to hear
0:01:46your thoughts now that we've starting to
0:01:48settle in with these new devices and
0:01:49both new operating systems but when I
0:01:53was going to tell you is I'm like a
0:01:55reckless I'm reckless with my iOS
0:01:56devices i'll install the first beta of
0:02:00whatever is coming out as soon as
0:02:02somebody else on twitter says they
0:02:03installed it and it didn't didn't blow
0:02:05up we have same so my iphone my personal
0:02:09iphone is already running the developer
0:02:10beta of
0:02:11fun 10.1 because your personal iphone 7
0:02:16plus this time around 77 I've just
0:02:19switched I think saturday i switched
0:02:22from my room plus review unit to my
0:02:25phone I ended up buying for myself which
0:02:27is jet black regular 7m h but I did it
0:02:32but I had to run the beta because i put
0:02:34the beta on the plus so i could take
0:02:36portrait mode photos and then once
0:02:39you've upgraded that device if I wanted
0:02:40I wanted to keep carrying forward that
0:02:43you know backup and restore so I have
0:02:45all my stuff and don't have to set up an
0:02:46email account and everything again so i
0:02:48have to be running the beta here but i
0:02:49find iOS betas to be just fine
0:02:52yeah they've been remarkably stable i
0:02:54think the entire iOS 10 beta really
0:02:57cycle has been remarkably stable i
0:02:59installed two days after dub DC for
0:03:02running the developed the Deaf beta and
0:03:04i have not a problem since like little
0:03:07little things here and there pretty
0:03:08little problems but but on my max I'm
0:03:10tend to be very conservative I don't
0:03:12like running that I don't run the
0:03:14developer beta is over the summer and
0:03:15and I haven't up i've upgraded my
0:03:18macbook which I don't really use that
0:03:20much at least I haven't been because
0:03:23they haven't been traveling lately so I
0:03:25i did install Sierra on that one but I'm
0:03:27not my imac at my desk i'm waiting I am
0:03:31exactly the same i did not install
0:03:32Sierra on this imac until the day after
0:03:35release because our thankfully we have a
0:03:38staff and I more now which is really
0:03:39lovely and Lori Gil kinda took . on all
0:03:43the mac OS see Eric of richmond i didn't
0:03:45have to worry about it so I had like
0:03:47seven devices like seven iOS devices
0:03:50running iOS 10 and no max in the house
0:03:52right here huh i just typed up time in
0:03:55the terminal so my imac's been up for 23
0:03:58days without a restart and it and i find
0:04:00that to be very typical like I just come
0:04:02in here every day and just hit the
0:04:04keyboard to wake up there are features
0:04:06i'm looking forward to I can't wait to
0:04:07you know get the thing where i can log
0:04:09in with my Apple watch and auto unlock
0:04:12yeah that's kind of fun and enjoyed that
0:04:14the last four days so I maybe by the
0:04:16next episode I record i will be running
0:04:18Sarah here and it does seem it seemed to
0:04:20me on on my macbook where I did upgrade
0:04:22the Sierra
0:04:23that it was the a least inconvenient
0:04:29major version of mac OS 10 upgrade I've
0:04:32ever done it seemed to me like almost
0:04:34nothing broker changed
0:04:36yeah i have had no problems created I
0:04:39haven't launched an adobe program yet so
0:04:41photoshop still could be completely
0:04:43worked and I wouldn't know it but i'm
0:04:45pretty sure i don't i haven't heard any
0:04:47complaining from my artist friends so I
0:04:48haven't really run into anything major
0:04:50where it's just completely broken or
0:04:52completely a pain and one of the reasons
0:04:53I'm so conservative upgrading a mac is
0:04:55that iced I'd have so many little super
0:04:57nerdy things that I install and setup
0:04:59when I like i have a president like i
0:05:01have a bunch of scripts are written for
0:05:02myself and pearl and they require perl
0:05:05modules from the cpanel open source
0:05:07repository and you just type some things
0:05:09on the command line and install them and
0:05:11every time I to my memory every time
0:05:13I've ever done a major upgrade of Mac
0:05:14os10 I've had to reinstall those because
0:05:18pearls considered part of the system now
0:05:21yeah and that makes is just ahead and I
0:05:23I accept it it makes sense to me but
0:05:26then this time I didn't have to all the
0:05:27stuff i had installed from Sipan was
0:05:29still there
0:05:31they finally the I you know the mac OS
0:05:33engineer's listen to you and said you
0:05:34know what we're just gonna make the the
0:05:37Pearl upgrade process easier this time
0:05:38is our friend in the back room that's
0:05:41all of who i'm actually going to go tell
0:05:43to quiet down in just a second there's a
0:05:45new puppy in the back fellow she gets
0:05:47really excited about my like having a
0:05:49dog on the show
0:05:50oh yeah people give it give it a little
0:05:52bit of color people got very mad at me
0:05:54like i said i don't like that
0:05:57oh I i am an equal-opportunity pet lover
0:06:01we have two dogs and one cat is out
0:06:03there we go that brings balance to the
0:06:05to the talk shit . and then the problem
0:06:09is a challenge to the force a problem
0:06:10with jim dalrymple agreed with are no
0:06:13i'm nothing against dogs dogs are great
0:06:16but I I grew up with cats are cats and
0:06:18then my fiancé owns dog so it's been a
0:06:21kind of like a merging of the households
0:06:23where we go i think the last time we had
0:06:25a dog barking in the background the show
0:06:27was Joanna stern when she had a her dog
0:06:30is really not be and I think I think an
0:06:32accident in the room while she was on
0:06:33the show are now his comic gold
0:06:36yep yep it's like okay let's talk about
0:06:39macbooks oh wait wait if I don't know so
0:06:42it seems to me like Apple as their
0:06:44upgrade mojo in place I and it just
0:06:48scanning the internet it seems like
0:06:50there were relatively few people whose
0:06:52you know seemingly on Twitter had any
0:06:54kind of problem upgrading either to iOS
0:06:5610 or to Sierra yeah and honestly this
0:07:00is probably when one of the smoother
0:07:02upgrade cycles that I've that I've seen
0:07:04on I on the on the Twitter webs i ate
0:07:08the only thing I've really seen
0:07:09complaints about the home button and
0:07:11even those who kind of tapered off after
0:07:13the first couple days you know they were
0:07:14the their the outrages of Lake why
0:07:16doesn't my slide to unlock work and even
0:07:19my personal trainer when I want to saw
0:07:21her lap see her last week she was she
0:07:23was very outraged at the idea of of
0:07:25having to change her home her unlocked
0:07:27behavior and then when I saw her the the
0:07:29next week she's like yeah I've gotten
0:07:31used to it it's fine
0:07:32that's an interesting change because
0:07:33it's one that I I've heard that too from
0:07:36you know real people and I've they what
0:07:41I recall is I think I started running
0:07:43the second developer beta maybe the
0:07:45third because i had like i was traveling
0:07:47in early July and I didn't want to take
0:07:49a chance while I was traveling so as
0:07:51soon as we got home from a trip in july
0:07:53that's when I started running the
0:07:54developer betas on my iPhone and I've at
0:07:57first like anybody else i was confused
0:08:00it seemed like getting into getting past
0:08:02the lock screen was weird and I just
0:08:05thought it but I remember thinking was I
0:08:07it's a beta i'm sure they'll figure this
0:08:09out by the end of the summer and they
0:08:11didn't really I don't think they
0:08:12actually changed anything it's just that
0:08:14eventually I I it became the new normal
0:08:17to me
0:08:18yeah it gets you get comfortable with it
0:08:19and then you switch back to a device
0:08:21running iOS 9 and you're like why won't
0:08:23you
0:08:23what what I'm just I'm trying to unlock
0:08:25you them and it's just seems normal now
0:08:29although I guess it's I guess it is it
0:08:32are there still a lot of people who
0:08:33don't have touch ID i don't think there
0:08:35are a ton of people who don't have touch
0:08:37ID but the like my personal trainer
0:08:40who's talking she's like I've never put
0:08:42a passcode on my iPhone and immediately
0:08:44I told her well here's one cure the
0:08:46reasons why you should put a passcode
0:08:47and touch ID on your iPhone
0:08:49but there are a lot of people who still
0:08:50don't do pass codes and don't do touch
0:08:52ID despite having touch ID enabled
0:08:54iphones we boggles my mind that's so
0:08:57easy that would be an interesting wonder
0:08:59what that is I've always thought and I
0:09:01think I do think it's true that the
0:09:03original slide to unlock a witch you
0:09:08know Apple if bragged about it was a big
0:09:10part of the original iphone the
0:09:13habitation that was a part of the ads it
0:09:15was a part of the brand it was actually
0:09:17a big part of their lawsuits with
0:09:19samsung system i forget i think they
0:09:22sued other people to write and it was
0:09:24movies held up it was like apple's
0:09:26version of of Amazon's one click you
0:09:28know like this is a ridiculous thing to
0:09:30be able to patent know this is actually
0:09:32genius you know arguments on both sides
0:09:34should be able to patent an idea that's
0:09:36so simple blah blah blah i really do
0:09:38think that that feature was designed for
0:09:41a phone that doesn't have a passcode
0:09:44oh yeah it's I mean it was designed in
0:09:46kind of the pre pasco era where I I
0:09:50don't think until my iphone4 that I
0:09:52really ever thought about having
0:09:53passcodes on my devices or thought
0:09:55seriously about like what it meant to
0:09:57protect the information that was on my
0:10:00device because the iphone 3g and 3gs I
0:10:03feel like all i all i had on those
0:10:05phones were like Twitter and and the
0:10:08camera app and I wasn't you know taking
0:10:10any pictures that were particularly
0:10:12sensitive and I wasn't doing a ton of
0:10:13banking on my phone because 3g networks
0:10:16at that point we're still slow but now I
0:10:18mean you know my-my 7 plus i feel like i
0:10:21can pretty much do my entire job on it
0:10:23I've you know I don't need another I
0:10:25don't need a computer for some things
0:10:27now I think that's definitely true
0:10:29yeah that's what I hear it from so many
0:10:32people but i just think we just didn't I
0:10:35don't know a quickie the whole industry
0:10:36both on the the company's side like
0:10:41apples side as the creator of this
0:10:43device and this operating system and on
0:10:46the consumer side and in it on our site
0:10:48is people who write about this stuff
0:10:50the last decade has been a real
0:10:52eye-opener in terms of privacy and
0:10:55security like I think before that we
0:10:57actually only thought of security as
0:10:58security that goes through bugs you know
0:11:00like oh there's a
0:11:02and exploits in windows XP and if you'd
0:11:06all you have to do is visit this website
0:11:07and you know at code can get run locally
0:11:11with full privileges under on your
0:11:12computer and you're in trouble and
0:11:14that's what we thought of it as as
0:11:15opposed to like just the privacy aspects
0:11:18of this system it doesn't have any bugs
0:11:20it's working as designed but if somebody
0:11:23picks up your phone and plugs into
0:11:24itunes they'll just be able to see all
0:11:26your stuff you know
0:11:28yeah yeah and it's i mean the the scary
0:11:32thing about that is really the social
0:11:35engineering part of it where it even
0:11:37even I think until really we got it with
0:11:40Snowden and we got it with even mr.
0:11:43robot of all things alerting people to
0:11:45the idea of like yeah if people know
0:11:48your security questions or a couple of
0:11:49facts about you they can pretty much
0:11:51take over your life like I remember
0:11:52doing a mat Honan species from a few
0:11:54years ago
0:11:55yeah yeah about his password dilemmas
0:11:57and troubles and how basically somebody
0:11:59took over all of his stuff and like that
0:12:01that kind of stuff is I think an
0:12:03eye-opener for a definitely was an
0:12:05eye-opener for a lot of the tech
0:12:07concerted audience but it's still I
0:12:09think making its way towards the general
0:12:11public the general public is worried
0:12:13about security and this broad nebulous
0:12:15idea but they don't really think about
0:12:17it on a very discreet you know
0:12:19individual basis like like talking to my
0:12:21personal trainer if someone picks up if
0:12:23you go to Africa and someone picks up
0:12:25your phone
0:12:26they could basically steal your identity
0:12:29no problem
0:12:30true she was going to Africa it's not
0:12:33just like random picking Africa picking
0:12:36on africa and i also think the iphone
0:12:38and that therefore iOS particular also
0:12:41started on are on the wrong foot in some
0:12:43ways because it's in some ways I think
0:12:46Apple had conceived of it as as much as
0:12:49the successor to the ipod as it was to
0:12:54the mac and so yes there were some you
0:12:57know some aspects of whatever you want
0:12:59to call the original the original
0:13:00version of iOS when I think of it didn't
0:13:02even have a name it was called like
0:13:04iphone OS iphone OS yeah and even had
0:13:07like marketing material that they even
0:13:09called it OS 10 it was like runs OS 10
0:13:11you know they didn't know what to call
0:13:12it at first but a lot of it was
0:13:15was a sort of stripped out by the idea
0:13:18that it was sort of more like an ipod
0:13:20which never had any real sort of
0:13:22security right you you could always just
0:13:24plug an ipod into another computer and
0:13:26see what was on it
0:13:27oh you had drm music for a long time are
0:13:30you have music it was one way transfer
0:13:31basically he was really more on the the
0:13:34format of the files you bought from the
0:13:36store than the device itself mom and you
0:13:40know just wasn't a protective device i
0:13:42mean you could really just plug somebody
0:13:43else's iphone into your you know your
0:13:45mac and you know communicate over USB so
0:13:49they had you know obviously come a long
0:13:50way from there to here and i do think
0:13:52that the slide to unlock just didn't
0:13:54really fit you know touch ID is slide
0:13:57and slide to unlock for the modern
0:14:00secure world
0:14:02yeah it's the this is the easy way to
0:14:04open your phone after you've put it some
0:14:08level of security know and especially as
0:14:10they rolled out touch ID to more places
0:14:12including like on iOS 10 a little
0:14:15feature that I even noticed today is if
0:14:17you go into a Apple music and you're
0:14:18signing into your user account you as
0:14:22long as you have touch ID enabled for
0:14:23for iTunes you can now use your
0:14:25fingerprint for that you don't even have
0:14:27to enter in your password and like these
0:14:28weird random places of the OS which I
0:14:31think was even still a thing and in iOS
0:14:339 where they were still like some areas
0:14:35where you had to type out your long
0:14:36complicated password and now it's all
0:14:38like as long as you're already in the
0:14:40system you can authorize just about
0:14:42anything with with a touch ID
0:14:44fingerprint it does seem like I've had
0:14:46to type my passwords in fewer times it
0:14:48and again one of the little things that
0:14:49it seems like it's so annoying that we
0:14:54notice it when we're getting badgered by
0:14:56and we yell at apple for it and then we
0:14:58don't really notice when they fix it and
0:15:00so we don't have to give them the little
0:15:01pat on the head and say thank you Apple
0:15:03you know yeah it did that the number of
0:15:06times where i used to have to I just be
0:15:08out and I would just get prompted for my
0:15:10my iCloud password and it would even
0:15:13tell me why right it's just like it's
0:15:15just like this random thing right but it
0:15:18does seem to me anecdotally at least for
0:15:20me personally that I i don't see that as
0:15:22much as I almost never it's almost never
0:15:24inexplicable it's always got like a next
0:15:27time
0:15:27action therefore I don't feel bad about
0:15:29it mhm so good good 24 apple on that so
0:15:33beforehand on the back before we get
0:15:34into details let's while we're on this
0:15:36subject let's try to lie i have a at
0:15:39least one but think about the things
0:15:41that Apple still has a lot of you know
0:15:44where they falling short on their
0:15:46upgrade you know when you upgrade
0:15:49devices
0:15:50overall I think they're getting really
0:15:51good at it but i'll give you an example
0:15:53and i know this is gotta be worse for
0:15:55you than me because I think you have
0:15:57more apple watches yet i was gonna say
0:15:5920 it is their example involve upgrading
0:16:01to a new Apple watch and creating time
0:16:04to Apple watch is the worst it
0:16:07yeah takes forever and if you forget to
0:16:10do it in the right order you've got to
0:16:12start all over from scratch
0:16:14you just want to say it that you want to
0:16:16put like a don't know what the head to
0:16:18the desk kind of a thing it's it's very
0:16:20frustrating especially I don't you know
0:16:22as as people who are dealing with review
0:16:25units having certain Apple watch is
0:16:27paired to certain devices and some of
0:16:29them being backups of your old phone and
0:16:31some of them not being backups of your
0:16:33old phone and then trying to switch
0:16:35those watches from one device to another
0:16:37is pretty much impossible unless they're
0:16:38on your Apple ID and on your specific
0:16:40back up there basically tied to the
0:16:42phone and that's that that's the thing
0:16:44that like took me awhile to wrap my head
0:16:46around is like if you're your Apple
0:16:49watch is not a separate device it's your
0:16:52Apple watch and your iphone and all of
0:16:54the backups get stored basically as your
0:16:57iphone backup so if you pear and apple
0:16:59watch to a brand-new iphone that you
0:17:01haven't restored from backup and then
0:17:03you're like oh I want to switch that
0:17:05Apple watch to you know a backdrop
0:17:07iphone on your you're going to be a
0:17:09little bit of trouble you're not here
0:17:10not going to be very happy
0:17:12I i find that the the thing that gets me
0:17:15is the fact that you don't get your
0:17:17watch backed up until you on parent it
0:17:21from yes phone and that feels so wrong
0:17:24to me and I don't see how any normal
0:17:26person nobody normal person would ever
0:17:27ever think that that's how it should be
0:17:30done and even if they're told that
0:17:32that's how it's done it it doesn't look
0:17:34like you're doing the right thing like
0:17:37even if you're just need somebody says
0:17:40here's what you do with your new iphone
0:17:42first unpair your home or your watches
0:17:44you from your old phone
0:17:46well under the backing up your old phone
0:17:48then restore your new phone from that
0:17:50back up and then your watch as you knew
0:17:53it will still be there and then you can
0:17:55repair the watch and it'll go right back
0:17:56to where it was but when you go through
0:17:58those steps
0:17:59it doesn't look like you're doing that
0:18:01it looks like you're racing your watch
0:18:04yeah it and there's no there's no good
0:18:07dialogue from that box and it is i'm
0:18:09pretty sure the watch does get backed up
0:18:11nightly the same way that the iphone
0:18:12does know there's an iCloud backup
0:18:14no it doesn't because there are there
0:18:16are intermediary backups that are made
0:18:18however if you want to upgrade so let's
0:18:21say I'm going from a watch series 02 a
0:18:24watch series 2 and I don't unpair the
0:18:26watch series 0 before i go to the series
0:18:29to the most recent backup I might find
0:18:31this might be 2-3 days old it's not
0:18:34going to be current which means you're
0:18:35not going to have your move data and
0:18:36you're not gonna have your activity
0:18:37stuff or it might be even older if it
0:18:39didn't if the backup didn't go through
0:18:41properly and that's really frustrating
0:18:43the fact that you can't like and there's
0:18:45no even there's no way to make a manual
0:18:47backup unless you and parrot what you
0:18:50were talking about which is like that is
0:18:52the most frustrating thing because
0:18:54legally when people people Google like
0:18:57how to backup your watch and it's not
0:18:59how to backup your watches how to unpair
0:19:01your watch which also makes a backup
0:19:04like why couldn't there just be a button
0:19:05apple like really I I don't even see how
0:19:08you can see where your latest backup is
0:19:10I don't know that you can i'm looking
0:19:12only way the only way that you can see
0:19:14where your latest backup is is when
0:19:16you're pairing a new watch
0:19:18right which is really dumb because
0:19:19that's that I ran into that in a weird
0:19:23kind of where I had this complicated i
0:19:26had a backup of my phone or I had
0:19:28restored an iphone 7 review unit from
0:19:31the regular backup of my phone so it was
0:19:33running my
0:19:34all my apps and everything else and then
0:19:36I had a watch that I was you know doing
0:19:38some dad doing some activity data on and
0:19:41then i switched to my jet black iphone 7
0:19:45plus which came in and the iphone 7 plus
0:19:47i had restored from an iphone backup but
0:19:50i restored from an iphone backup like
0:19:52two days prior
0:19:53so the seven plus and the seven were two
0:19:57days off in terms of backups
0:19:59so when I got my new my prop mine on
0:20:02review Apple watch series 2 and I went
0:20:03to pair it with the with the jet-black
0:20:05on iphone 7 plus it was only showing me
0:20:10Apple watch backups that were two days
0:20:12old or more because it couldn't see that
0:20:15despite the fact that these phones were
0:20:17essentially going to the same iCloud
0:20:19backup and had the same information on
0:20:21them and like had the same health data
0:20:23even because of it being an iCloud it
0:20:27couldn't see the apple watch backups
0:20:29that the iphone 7 mate because in I
0:20:32clouds mind it was an iphone 7 plus
0:20:35Apple watch combo and an iphone 7 plus
0:20:37plus Apple watch combo and it's just
0:20:41like that it's it's the same iCloud
0:20:44account it's so frustrating i really
0:20:46hope that they put some effort into that
0:20:48and I can almost surprised they haven't
0:20:49because i always think like okay so
0:20:51whens people like me and you sit here
0:20:54and complain and it's worse for us
0:20:56because i'm on my third iphone 7 now I
0:20:59to review units and when i bought and
0:21:02now owned and only the one watch I'm
0:21:05still wearing a review unit watch
0:21:07because i don't know what i want to buy
0:21:08for myself but it I realized that it's
0:21:10you know it's a tiny little violin is
0:21:14playing sad music for because you know
0:21:16we have this all you have all of these
0:21:17fall yeah we have these also all these
0:21:19gadgets to play with and but I i just
0:21:22had can't help but think and I know that
0:21:24they're not supposed to solve these
0:21:24problems for us because we're edge cases
0:21:26but even normal people who just bought
0:21:28one new phone it's it's terrible if you
0:21:30go through and didn't remember to unpair
0:21:32your watch first
0:21:33yeah at the worst part is if you're
0:21:35wearing your yeah if you're wearing your
0:21:37watch and it's still paired to your old
0:21:38phone and you don't think about pairing
0:21:40it to your new phone until a couple days
0:21:42after you've had your new phone which is
0:21:44entirely likely because people
0:21:46again you treat the Apple watches a
0:21:48separate device for a certain period was
0:21:50what you're saying with the first iphone
0:21:51right where it's like they're treating
0:21:54the apple watch is pretty much a
0:21:55separate device so it has gps now you
0:21:57can go outside for walks and you leave
0:21:59your iphone at home but it is still tied
0:22:02to the iphone and that's something
0:22:03that's not really marketed enough
0:22:05outside of the yet uses the iphone
0:22:07cellular signal no it is it is an iphone
0:22:09accessory so if it's not tied to your
0:22:11right iphone then everything falls apart
0:22:13and that's that is something that i can
0:22:15see being very confusing for the average
0:22:17user and something will just throw their
0:22:19hands up about well and she's the thing
0:22:20is that surely there must be a lot of
0:22:22people inside Apple who go through the
0:22:24same thing because they are using test
0:22:26devices so they know that that's why I'm
0:22:28a little surprised that they haven't
0:22:29addressed this I mean like I think it's
0:22:32one of the reasons why'd you are now
0:22:34able to have multiple watches paired
0:22:36with one phone
0:22:38oh yeah and you know part of it is that
0:22:40of course yeah if you want to buy a
0:22:42couple Apple watches Apple would love to
0:22:44sell you a couple but I'm sure that part
0:22:46of the reason that it's in there is that
0:22:47some of the most likes to tease the most
0:22:49likely people did to have several Apple
0:22:52watches at the same time or people
0:22:53inside Apple who are testing a new you
0:22:55know either news new software or new
0:22:57hardware both ya gotta get better
0:23:01it absolutely has to and I'm i mean i'm
0:23:04hopeful especially as the as the watch
0:23:07vaults but it's still it's a pain . yeah
0:23:09and it also seems like one thing in
0:23:11Syria I didn't put a stop watch to it so
0:23:13maybe it's just it went from really bad
0:23:16to sort of kind of bad but this is the
0:23:18wireless network speed between your
0:23:20phone and the watch or something is so
0:23:23unbelievably slow real painful like I
0:23:29swear I had what I was restoring this
0:23:30watch after i got it just went through
0:23:34this again over the weekend where I had
0:23:35two unpaired because now I have it
0:23:37paired with the phone that I own myself
0:23:38and I let it go for an hour and came
0:23:42back to it and it was still on that
0:23:43spinning that slow spin around the
0:23:46outside on now I was like this is crazy
0:23:48and I did you restore your apps to uh
0:23:51yeah I don't have that on my phone but
0:23:54even so yeah exactly it just it takes
0:23:56when i was $DAY i did a ton of speed too
0:23:59because I got a I got a series to review
0:24:02unit but i also bought a series one for
0:24:03myself and then I had my original series
0:24:050 and I was doing like cross crossways
0:24:09speed discs on all of these and the one
0:24:11thing like the series to like blows the
0:24:13series 10 out of the water in a in a
0:24:16bunch of different ways the original
0:24:17generation Apple watch but when it comes
0:24:20to barking dogs when it comes to the
0:24:24difference between like serious two
0:24:27series 1 and the original generation
0:24:29Apple watch and boot time or restore
0:24:32time like the boot time on an Apple
0:24:35watch series 2 is still over a minute
0:24:38the boot time on series 0 is like two
0:24:40and a half minutes but it's still like
0:24:42if I'm waiting a minute and 20 seconds
0:24:45for my watch to startup problems i'm
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0:27:00upgrade process and like Mac iOS
0:27:01switching to a new device upgrading the
0:27:04OS anything along those lines
0:27:06overall I find it pretty smooth and the
0:27:10only thing that I think is a little bit
0:27:13frustrating is the as much as I love the
0:27:15over-the-air download process for iOS on
0:27:19it can be very frustrating to update if
0:27:22you're on-the-go obviously because it's
0:27:24a big download to build the iOS 10
0:27:26download was a gigabyte but the problem
0:27:29is because of the way that the the
0:27:31download currently works say i'm waiting
0:27:34around for my download to fit like it's
0:27:36update day right it's its release day
0:27:38and i've downloaded half of the release
0:27:40half of iOS 10 to my iphone and then for
0:27:43some reason i need to go out and do an
0:27:44errant well I can either leave the phone
0:27:47at home and you know what the wreath
0:27:49that it was going maybe like 10 kilobits
0:27:51a second
0:27:52that'll be that would be downloaded
0:27:54maybe half downloaded by the time I get
0:27:55back or you know maybe i need the phone
0:27:58while I'm out and about and if i take
0:28:00the phone and I leave while its wallets
0:28:03downloading there's no place where I can
0:28:05be like pause my download while I go off
0:28:07Wi-Fi go to my area and then come back
0:28:10and resume my download and still have
0:28:12that half of the update that i
0:28:14downloaded back like you can do that
0:28:16with pretty you can do that on safari
0:28:17for the mac you can do that even with
0:28:19iOS apps at this point with paws
0:28:21download on but there's no way to do
0:28:23that for
0:28:24the for these big updates I realize
0:28:26that's like this again maybe a bit of an
0:28:28edge case but i know a lot of people who
0:28:30don't end up updating to iOS 10 because
0:28:32they don't find time to even with I you
0:28:36know apples been a done a lot better
0:28:37with the like install while I'm sleeping
0:28:40and stuff like that in the auto install
0:28:43night like that that's all really nice I
0:28:45really nice improvements to this feature
0:28:48but it's still it runs you know there
0:28:50are still people who they start to
0:28:53install it and they think its installed
0:28:55because they started the process and
0:28:56they don't even think oh you know if I
0:28:59leave my house before the install
0:29:00process is completed it's never it's
0:29:02just going to stop the install process
0:29:04and I'm never gonna get it installed
0:29:05like just the average user is not
0:29:08obsessive about download things they
0:29:10just they've they've gotten used to the
0:29:11ios app you know now i'm downloading an
0:29:14iOS app and the ios app is going to
0:29:16download wherever I am or it'll you know
0:29:18if even if it can't get a good network
0:29:20connection or five cellular data turned
0:29:22off while i'm running around it will
0:29:23come back and finish downloading when I
0:29:25want to get back to my computer but the
0:29:27but the update is not like that so
0:29:29that's my like nitpicky complaint i
0:29:31can't really think it's too many other
0:29:32ones I me neither but i agree with you
0:29:36here's one thing that if we're going to
0:29:38skip around but we talk about iOS 10 and
0:29:42what it's how it's faring in the real
0:29:44world
0:29:44I'm hearing from I want to drop names
0:29:48but people in the house that the the
0:29:55heavier doses of 3d touch to do things
0:29:59or force touch whatever they call it on
0:30:01with I guess on iOS it's called 3d touch
0:30:03is not not a welcome addition to the
0:30:07operating system not a welcome addition
0:30:09how that it's too confusing or not
0:30:13intuitive when you need to press hard
0:30:15and when you just need to normally tap
0:30:17and that having these things that like
0:30:22just to do the stickers in messages that
0:30:24you have to force touch on the arrow we
0:30:26had to move it
0:30:29i I'd see some merit in that and to me
0:30:32it's sort of like the old one button
0:30:35mouse vs2 button
0:30:37mouse argument where it seemed like it
0:30:41but maybe maybe a little different
0:30:45because it seemed like in the old days
0:30:47when Apple obstinately seemingly
0:30:49obstinately stuck to a one button mouse
0:30:51when you know every single piano is a
0:30:54fundamental aspect of the windows user
0:30:56interface that there were things you
0:30:57would right click on like I don't you
0:31:00couldn't really even properly use
0:31:01Windows without a 2-button mouse and I
0:31:03don't know that anybody I don't even
0:31:05know that you could buy it like a one
0:31:07button mouse for pc it wasn't even like
0:31:10that thing whereas and it seems like
0:31:12everybody like the consensus among the
0:31:14Nerds was that Apple is just sticking to
0:31:16this out of spite
0:31:18whereas what I saw was that this is sure
0:31:21if you're a power user you can go buy a
0:31:232-button mouse mouse with the scroll
0:31:25wheel and plug it in and it will work
0:31:27but for most people
0:31:29all they have to do is understand click
0:31:30and having just one type of click is
0:31:33fundamentally it's so much simpler than
0:31:36even just having two types of clicks let
0:31:38alone the crazy gaming mice you can buy
0:31:41with you know 20 different buttons but
0:31:43even just going from 1 to 2 is a huge
0:31:45difference and you do you know I I'd
0:31:47everybody has seen people in a
0:31:49real-world whoo-hoo like it don't know
0:31:51what to click on what to double-click on
0:31:53and stuff like that like click and
0:31:55double-click was confusing enough for
0:31:57some people it's 55 and I felt like that
0:31:59was part of the genius of iOS was
0:32:02dialing that all the way back to just
0:32:03tap everything is a tap and I think
0:32:07force touch convoluted that to some
0:32:09degree
0:32:10yeah I mean we were already getting into
0:32:13more advanced options with things like
0:32:15long presses which have existed i don't
0:32:19know at least at least 45 iOS
0:32:21generations maybe more on an earlier
0:32:24with the with third-parties I see 3d
0:32:27touch a lot in the way that I see a
0:32:30two-button mice on you know 1990s early
0:32:33two thousands Apple computers which is
0:32:36there's not really anything on an iphone
0:32:39at least that I can think of where 3d
0:32:41touch is necessary to do a core function
0:32:44you know 3d touch makes it faster to
0:32:47open the battery pain and settings but
0:32:49you can still get to the battery pain if
0:32:50you
0:32:51tap on settings and then tap on battery
0:32:52and then tap on low power mode on
0:32:55i likey you think of something in like I
0:32:57can think of stuff on the watch where
0:32:59you need force press two to do extra
0:33:01things but is there any is there s is
0:33:04there something besides maybe stickers
0:33:06where you really need a force press
0:33:07messages is one where there's certain
0:33:10things that you seem to have to force
0:33:11press and any other thing is to interact
0:33:13with the notification widgets right it's
0:33:16yeah seems like it's true but again you
0:33:18can tap on the notification widget and
0:33:20it will send you to the right area i get
0:33:23it but it seems like a me to just name
0:33:26one person doesn't always mean yeah and
0:33:30and sees you know she seems frustrated
0:33:32that sometimes she thinks she's pressing
0:33:34plenty hard enough to get a force touch
0:33:36and it's not registering yeah well that
0:33:39that i think is an absolutely valid
0:33:41complaint in that force touch sometimes
0:33:44works marvelously and i have i have my
0:33:46force to our fresh force touch 3d touch
0:33:49press firmly i have my setting to the
0:33:52latest version so that it will trigger
0:33:54almost immediately once i start pressing
0:33:56down on the screen and i would say it
0:33:58works about 75% of the time that's not
0:34:01God know exactly and it's like I mean it
0:34:04it it will work other times but other
0:34:06times it requires a little bit firmer
0:34:07press and i'm not sure if there's it's
0:34:09because there's something on my fingers
0:34:10or if it's just the screen is you know
0:34:12miss reading but yeah that's a little
0:34:14it's a little bit frustrating and the
0:34:16place where I noticed it the most is
0:34:18turning the keyboard if you if you press
0:34:21firmly on the when the keyboards active
0:34:23you can turn that into a movable cursor
0:34:25yeah and I use that all the time when
0:34:27I'm writing on iOS and it was very I
0:34:30don't know very noticeable for me I i
0:34:32would just I will reiterate that is my
0:34:34favorite 3d touch feature I find with
0:34:37the first time I saw it last year I was
0:34:39like oh i will use that all the time and
0:34:41never ceded to forget that it existed at
0:34:44the time for listeners of the show if
0:34:45you take one thing away we go right down
0:34:47actual note while you listen to us talk
0:34:49the one thing I would emphasize is
0:34:51remember that you can force touch on the
0:34:53keyboard to make the cursor like a mouse
0:34:55cursor that you can move around because
0:34:57once you really do internalize that and
0:34:59and you don't even have to root you
0:35:01don't have to think about it to use it
0:35:02is the best tech
0:35:04editing changed since the original
0:35:07iphone yes it's copy and paste quite
0:35:09honestly i don't i don't use the library
0:35:11use the loop
0:35:12however like whatever price you got a
0:35:15notification that you want to reply to
0:35:17like the messages one would be an
0:35:20example to eat pot has it now for dm's
0:35:22you have to force touch on it to get the
0:35:24inline don't even open the app just let
0:35:26me reply right here
0:35:27I ya know if it looks like if you just
0:35:30tap the notification that will send you
0:35:31directly into the app but I mean I get
0:35:34that little shortcuts to get that short
0:35:35but again we're talking about shortcuts
0:35:37we're not talking about things where
0:35:39it's like or you know what actually I
0:35:41take it back because if it appears at
0:35:43the top of the screen you can drag down
0:35:46and it will give you the the information
0:35:48so you can drag on it the same way that
0:35:50you couldn't I think iOS 9 or iOS 8 and
0:35:53it would give you the same kind of and
0:35:54further preview if it were up to me I
0:35:57think I would make I i think it I think
0:36:01that force touch should only and always
0:36:03be a shortcut for a long press yes they
0:36:07agree with that you anything that you do
0:36:09with a force touch if you just hold
0:36:11their you'll get the same thing and I
0:36:14think that would be an accessibility win
0:36:16because i think it would help for
0:36:17anybody who actually can't press hard
0:36:19enough and I think conceptually it would
0:36:21simplify things and I know that there
0:36:23are some conflicts like right now you
0:36:26force touch on an app icon on the home
0:36:28screen to get the list of shortcuts for
0:36:30that app and you long press to get into
0:36:33google mode when you rearrange apps but
0:36:35is so annoying I we should just do both
0:36:38yeah i think it should just be one
0:36:39shortcut and then one of the options for
0:36:41every app would be like edit . it
0:36:44exactly and you know and use like an
0:36:46icon to indicate that you know I'm sure
0:36:48there's some visual way that you could
0:36:49indicate like this is how you get to the
0:36:50old jiggle mode
0:36:51mhm it could easily be tied together
0:36:56like that I know the one that I remember
0:36:57is if you go to the Apple weather app
0:36:59and you go to the list of cities or
0:37:04locations i tried to rearrange them
0:37:07before a trip to move like where i was
0:37:09going up to be like like number two so I
0:37:11could always go right right beneath the
0:37:14local you know wherever I am
0:37:15and I couldn't remember how to rearrange
0:37:17the city's thank you for the life of me
0:37:19I just kept force touching on them and
0:37:20it it just kept opening them and took me
0:37:23like a minute to remember
0:37:24press and hold the press press firmly no
0:37:27press firmly on the site
0:37:29press press slightly rearranged press
0:37:32firmly to like pull up a pop-up right
0:37:34and then if while you're waiting for the
0:37:37whole be long enough to start pressing
0:37:39too hard to open up that those little
0:37:42things are so frustrating especially if
0:37:45you are you know somebody who goes in
0:37:48between pressing firmly and long
0:37:49processes like trying to rearrange your
0:37:51app icons that's that is that's kind of
0:37:54an exercise in frustration and maybe
0:37:56just not enough ppl rearrange their app
0:37:59icons on a regular basis anymore they
0:38:01just they don't care about the way their
0:38:03home screen looks or because I feel like
0:38:05Apple must be getting complaints about
0:38:07this right
0:38:08oh I'm trying to rearrange my icons and
0:38:09I can't remember how to do it anywhere
0:38:11I don't know just I don't think it could
0:38:15be made together I feel like they yeah
0:38:17you know be like an iOS 11 change not
0:38:20like an iOS 10.2 change but I feel like
0:38:23long press and force touch could be
0:38:25unified i think so and it may it may be
0:38:28one of those things where I'm sorry the
0:38:33lower right yeah I think rick is coming
0:38:38home so they're really excited
0:38:40yeah I i think it may be something we're
0:38:43in iOS 11 we may see a more drastic
0:38:47change to the home screen or something
0:38:49like that where they're kind of like we
0:38:50know this is a hack job right now but we
0:38:54promise it will all go away soon and I
0:38:56under like one part part of me
0:38:58understands that from a ok we're working
0:39:02towards a bigger objective in a bigger
0:39:03picture here but the fact remains that
0:39:053d touch has now been an operation or
0:39:07will be an operation for two whole
0:39:09release cycles and to say like this is a
0:39:11hand wave we're going to make it better
0:39:13soon at for 42 years worth is that's
0:39:16stretching it for the average user
0:39:17that's that's kind of painful it is
0:39:20interesting to me watching the reaction
0:39:22of people who are you know all new to
0:39:25iOS 10 and you know we we talked before
0:39:27about the
0:39:28the home button change where you have to
0:39:30you know there's no more swipe to unlock
0:39:32seems like at first an awful lot of
0:39:36people objected to some of the visual
0:39:40changes in iOS 10 which i think in broad
0:39:45terms of like the new control center and
0:39:47that yeah in a way that would the
0:39:49widgets look more like Windows you know
0:39:53there's like a 3d pneus and Anna they
0:39:56don't go there not full with they have
0:39:58entire you know they're encapsulated a
0:40:00little bubbly yeah there's just a little
0:40:02bit more depth to the interface it is it
0:40:05you know to over you know to borrow and
0:40:08overused term from when I was seven came
0:40:09out it's it's less flat and not so much
0:40:13in a way that the actual individual
0:40:15buttons and little windows themselves
0:40:18have 3d but that the layering of where
0:40:20they are in the system is more 3d I like
0:40:23it a lot
0:40:23I think it's actually to me it's like
0:40:26iOS 10 has really it's just shows how
0:40:31many how long it takes to get a major
0:40:34design right and to me I OS 10 is the
0:40:37one where the that what they were
0:40:39thinking with ios7 they've really dialed
0:40:43it back up to where the appropriate
0:40:45level of depth and imovie 08 to iMovie
0:40:4911 kind of thing
0:40:50yeah I is good well it just seems to me
0:40:54like people complain about it at first
0:40:55but it seems like right now as of now
0:40:57everybody now that it was really just
0:40:59the newness that bothered him and now go
0:41:01yeah they've got used to it
0:41:03well it's the anytime that you change
0:41:05someone's interaction path they're going
0:41:08to grumble about it for a little while
0:41:09same thing we were talking about what
0:41:10the touch ID and opening the phone where
0:41:13it's like the control center now having
0:41:15multiple cards initially that was a bit
0:41:17of a pain especially if you're dealing
0:41:19with sliders because if you don't tap on
0:41:22the right place for a slider you might
0:41:23accidentally slide the pain left right
0:41:25and you know putting things in slightly
0:41:28different places being like oh I can't
0:41:30find this anymore and where is this and
0:41:32how wide is Notification Center still
0:41:34have the wedges screen in it despite the
0:41:36fact that the widgets screen is now you
0:41:38know its own real thing on the left-hand
0:41:40side like there are still little bits
0:41:41and pieces
0:41:42here that I that are quite right but um
0:41:46I i wrote about this right after wdc in
0:41:48terms of the way that Apple has changed
0:41:50the visual narrative to really be about
0:41:53stacks and layers and about you know the
0:41:55home screen is kind of your neutral
0:41:57layer now and then apps pop up on top
0:42:00and you've got control center and
0:42:03notification center on top above
0:42:04everything else and it's just it's
0:42:06unified it now we're at it actually
0:42:08makes it and then the lock screen is on
0:42:10top of everything else because the lock
0:42:11screen is basically like keeping keeping
0:42:13you in this box like it's your opening
0:42:15the box you're pressing through with the
0:42:18with the home button to go into this box
0:42:20and it's I don't know from I am from a
0:42:22purely like tactile visual sense which
0:42:26is odd combination of words there but
0:42:29but really it is very pleasing I
0:42:32subconsciously I think and initially
0:42:34again people are going to be complaining
0:42:36about it because it doesn't it's not
0:42:38what they were used to write but I as
0:42:40you get used to it i think it becomes
0:42:41more and more comfortable and things
0:42:44make sense it's it goes from a i'm
0:42:47looking for this feature
0:42:49oh well now i'm getting trained i'm
0:42:51getting visually trained to be like okay
0:42:54well apps are you know apps are found by
0:42:56pulling something up or pulling you know
0:42:59pulling from a side of the screen or
0:43:00moving from side like this i don't know
0:43:02I i really i really like the direction
0:43:05they're going with this
0:43:06I one of the things that I think that
0:43:08they got wrong in iOS 7 and that they've
0:43:10been end to me they've really this is
0:43:13what the times 10 is really where they
0:43:14fixed it in a lot of ways is and this is
0:43:17something i think that I'm going to
0:43:19excuse a lot of it as it just takes more
0:43:21than one or two years to get a complete
0:43:24redesign right this is one of the things
0:43:27i think they could have gotten much
0:43:29better right from the start and for some
0:43:30reason whatever was in their heads
0:43:33collectively was wrong was making sure
0:43:36that the visual indication of like
0:43:38something that either on or off is
0:43:40absolutely
0:43:43in earlier this year and and i think it
0:43:47was there and I think it was a desire
0:43:49for aesthetic purposes to not use color
0:43:52is what burned them in iOS 7 and so for
0:43:55example here's what I'm looking at is
0:43:57the way that like when you have Wi-Fi on
0:43:59in control center
0:44:00it's just a bright vivid blue and then
0:44:03if you tap it to turn it off
0:44:04it is very clearly off because it's gray
0:44:07and drab I think that's one of my
0:44:10favorite changes it's just the way that
0:44:13they're more way more willing and iOS 10
0:44:14to use plops little little little bits
0:44:18of very vivid color to clearly indicate
0:44:21state in a way that that they weren't
0:44:23before
0:44:24ya a call i mean the color changes to
0:44:26iOS 10 i think i've been one of the the
0:44:29biggest improvements upon the flat
0:44:31design because you do it's like okay we
0:44:35can't use depth inside our buttons to
0:44:38show what's on what's off so let's
0:44:40actually use really bright vivid nice
0:44:43colors and you sell them kind of
0:44:44experimenting with that in the original
0:44:46music app and its really come kind of
0:44:49full circle now and you can kind of even
0:44:51see where they're going by looking at
0:44:53the new music app and the new maps app
0:44:55in terms of that like Boulder to Boulder
0:44:57design and using bright colors for for
0:45:00each of the entries i like that so much
0:45:02more than just here is black and here's
0:45:04gray alright here's one i got like I was
0:45:08like by my most explosive we popular
0:45:11tweet of the month was just the simple
0:45:15observation that the night shift button
0:45:17in control center again as an unusual
0:45:20prominence and others screen real estate
0:45:22large I don't understand like I never
0:45:26ever want to use this feature i don't
0:45:30like it i understand lots of people do a
0:45:32very popular with some people but I
0:45:34don't understand why it's so much more
0:45:35prominent dense than any of the five
0:45:38things at the top airplane mode Wi-Fi
0:45:39Bluetooth do not disturb and then
0:45:43rotation lock especially because night
0:45:46shift should be set automatically right
0:45:49right like did to go at a certain time
0:45:51right if you really like the feature why
0:45:53in the world wouldn't you have it set to
0:45:56and on at sundown it's I wonder if it's
0:45:59a placeholder for something that's what
0:46:01an awful lot of people suspect is that
0:46:05it's a placeholder but what is it that
0:46:07they think it's a placeholder for I
0:46:08don't know there is something there's an
0:46:12it's not occurring to me
0:46:13yeah i mean . you could you could argue
0:46:15play/pause button instead of the music
0:46:17having its own
0:46:18well that's the thing that's what I'm
0:46:19going that yeah they're people because i
0:46:21used to be room there for the little
0:46:23playback controls hm and people that
0:46:25does seem like one change that I think
0:46:27has merit and it's not just the
0:46:30resistance to change but that seems to
0:46:32me like real people are not happy with
0:46:35the playback controls being on a second
0:46:37screen
0:46:37yeah I don't haha I don't mind it so
0:46:41much it's just it's the problem of
0:46:42discovery right where people who are
0:46:45used to control center just having one
0:46:46pain they pull it up and they don't see
0:46:48the tiny dots at the bottom they just
0:46:51see the fact that there are no music
0:46:52control so they automatically assume
0:46:53that the music app just you can't
0:46:55control it from control center anymore
0:46:57it would be nice to be able to edit the
0:47:00control center though to make capital
0:47:02center something where you can configure
0:47:04it to be just what you use
0:47:07I completely agree to me maybe that's
0:47:10the the placeholder for night shift some
0:47:12people I'd I've also seen some people in
0:47:14response to my tweets a why can't it be
0:47:16like Notification Center we're just you
0:47:18know you pull down from the top and
0:47:19notification center is full screen
0:47:21why doesn't control center full screen
0:47:23there be room for everything on one
0:47:24screen and i think that the obvious
0:47:27answer to that is especially with the
0:47:29plus you can't reach the stuff at the
0:47:32top
0:47:32yeah you know that it's it seems very
0:47:35clearly designed to me that it's meant
0:47:38to be reachable with one thumb and then
0:47:41you know so therefore it really
0:47:43shouldn't can't be full screen
0:47:45yeah and if you try you can't use reach
0:47:49ability when control centers active you
0:47:51can with notification center but not
0:47:53with control center reach abilities a
0:47:56good one so I wrote in my iphone 7
0:48:00review that I had to turn reach ability
0:48:02off because i found myself constantly
0:48:04inadvertently invoking it
0:48:07anecdotally asking around with a bunch
0:48:10of friends on slack a the my friends a
0:48:16lot of my friends have run into this
0:48:17themselves and had to do the same thing
0:48:19turn off readability and B they reported
0:48:24that like the normals and their life I
0:48:26God have been running into the same
0:48:29thing and that the normal people have no
0:48:32idea what the hell reach ability is and
0:48:35that's just just don't know why their
0:48:37screen is going down halfway
0:48:39yeah I friend of the show John siracusa
0:48:41said that his is mom and voted on her
0:48:44iPad and his dad fixed it by restarting
0:48:46the ipad but that it was so confusing
0:48:50that it looked at it and I could see why
0:48:53it seems that almost seems like a
0:48:54drawing problem like if you run into is
0:48:56a bizarre bug where the the computer is
0:48:59drawing your screen halfway down
0:49:01oh my god you run into this or no you
0:49:03know I actually i was expecting to after
0:49:06hearing a bunch of people get really
0:49:07concerned about it with the new home
0:49:09button and I actually haven't at all
0:49:11I then maybe that's just because i have
0:49:15used reach ability a fair amount when
0:49:17i've been using the plus so I have
0:49:19figured out kind of a way to trigger it
0:49:20versus a way to just press the home
0:49:22button the bigger problem that i've
0:49:24actually been having and again this is
0:49:25kind of a niche thing but I've had a
0:49:26problem taking screenshots we're not
0:49:29used to have no problem whatsoever but
0:49:32because of the home button i now have
0:49:33the same problem that i have on the
0:49:34Apple watch where i have to press one
0:49:37button and then the other to really make
0:49:38the sure that the screenshot takes
0:49:40especially if i'm doing something weird
0:49:41like taking a picture of the camera app
0:49:43while the camera app is open
0:49:45I don't know why either I don't know why
0:49:48in and subjective subjective preference
0:49:53for the new home button versus the old
0:49:54home button aside I find that my
0:49:57screenshots have like a 50-percent
0:49:59failure right now
0:50:00uh-huh yeah neither the home button
0:50:03takes me home before the screenshot
0:50:06takes off or the power button hours off
0:50:09with his friends and often or even get
0:50:11off
0:50:13I i found i have found the opposite
0:50:16though I found that the only way I can
0:50:17get it to work reliably is to
0:50:19concentrate very hard
0:50:20and simultaneously post you know very
0:50:22with much concentration pressing both
0:50:24buttons at the citizen it's even worse
0:50:27on the plus model too because it's so
0:50:28darn big
0:50:30she's trying to time it is impossible
0:50:33that's right anyway minor like those are
0:50:35truly truly firstworldproblems yes and
0:50:38not not a huge deal but but you know
0:50:41it's things things that I certainly
0:50:43wouldn't be adverse to an apple engineer
0:50:45looking at and being like maybe we need
0:50:47to adjust the timing
0:50:48yeah I trying to think what else people
0:50:53are complaining about like that might be
0:50:55it
0:50:56I yeah I hmmm on the iphone people i
0:51:02mean people are complaining about the
0:51:03home button behavior that aside or just
0:51:06the feel of the home button but I i
0:51:08don't know i really like the new home
0:51:10button that's better for it
0:51:12yeah what setting do you use i'm
0:51:15currently i have the hardest click on
0:51:16because I do let me just like the tap
0:51:18the feel of the taptic engine so I like
0:51:21having kind of that that Rumble when i
0:51:24press it on the the home button but i
0:51:26also like kinda III Matthew pans Reno
0:51:29mentioned this in his review and I
0:51:31thought that it was quite quite smart he
0:51:33was saying oh I switch switch the the
0:51:35severity of the taptic engine when i'm
0:51:38doing things where I don't want to wake
0:51:39up my baby or I want to do you know I
0:51:41want to access the home button while i'm
0:51:43on a podcast and I don't want to disturb
0:51:45anybody and I'm like that's actually
0:51:46brilliant because they're so there have
0:51:48been so many times where i'm like i want
0:51:50to test out an iphone or testing feature
0:51:52in the middle of a podcast but but the
0:51:54click on an old iphone especially if
0:51:57you're doing it anywhere near the mic is
0:51:58that is pretty prominent and it's it's
0:52:01like a click on an old uh click on an
0:52:03old trackpad or an old mouse i am still
0:52:06firmly in the i prefer the old the hold
0:52:10button a button and either it's been
0:52:12enough time now that i think it's i
0:52:16think it you know I forget when do I get
0:52:18this one that I start using this must
0:52:20have been three weeks three weeks yeah
0:52:21but I can accept and Wi-Fi had that
0:52:26feeling right from the start even just a
0:52:27day in I was like I don't think I like
0:52:29this I think
0:52:31I prefer the other way but it's fine i'm
0:52:34also on button button level three other
0:52:38friend of the show though Ben Thompson
0:52:39of strategic Rephaim is he loves the new
0:52:44button and and that's where I'm going
0:52:46with this is that it is very clear that
0:52:47I don't like it as much other people you
0:52:49Ben Thompson like it referred to the old
0:52:53button been also is a proponent of
0:52:56setting one he thinks that uh that
0:52:58setting three is for people who want to
0:53:00fake a button and that you should go
0:53:02with the flow that it's not a not a
0:53:05button and he likes it on setting number
0:53:08one and so I on his advice i spent a day
0:53:11and a half on setting one and I guess I
0:53:13can kind of see it but then when I went
0:53:14back to three I was like although this
0:53:16is much nicer now I you know I just like
0:53:19tactile sensation to this is like this
0:53:21is the same reason why sometimes i will
0:53:23just open up the date picker and just
0:53:25play with it on the new models because
0:53:26it's just like it's it's nice to feel
0:53:28you on that i was thinking i I'm so glad
0:53:33you said that because you mentioned with
0:53:35the control center when you go to change
0:53:38the brightness slider
0:53:39yeah you if you miss you actually just
0:53:41slide over to music
0:53:43we should have a little tactic feedback
0:53:45for the slider how that's a great idea
0:53:47was a little tick tick tick
0:53:49ya soon as you then you know that you've
0:53:51got the little that the thing that you
0:53:54actually slide em actually already have
0:53:56the haptic and control center when you
0:53:58slide up right you don't have a haptic
0:54:00sliding side to side
0:54:01well it would later no confirm for you
0:54:04that you've you've got the oven or
0:54:06whatever I i honestly think right now in
0:54:09iOS 10 1002 I think we're on on the main
0:54:13seed not tactic feedback is very I don't
0:54:16want to say half hazard Lee implemented
0:54:19but it's very much like the engineers
0:54:22put in a bunch of potential things and
0:54:24then left out a bunch of potential other
0:54:25ones like let's see what sticks
0:54:27let's see what people like let's see if
0:54:29instead you know people might write and
0:54:31say we hate all this tactic stuff but
0:54:33every like there are places where i feel
0:54:35like i should have tactic like in notes
0:54:37tapping on a note to change to the
0:54:39keyboard view I I wanted like a little
0:54:42click there to let me know
0:54:44I'm an editing view oh I'm out of
0:54:46editing view or have you um no it's like
0:54:49think it comes up like way and the way
0:54:51that when you spin the datepicker it
0:54:53feels like it's spinning in the
0:54:54direction that you are spinning yeah the
0:54:57keyboard when it slides up should have
0:55:00like a slight chunk that would just
0:55:02shake the signified yeah I had like a
0:55:05slider phone and you'd you know like the
0:55:07old palm pre you know obviously when you
0:55:10slid the keyboard down it felt like
0:55:12something was sliding down because it
0:55:14was
0:55:14mhm well and you have you have that
0:55:17feeling for control center anyway so
0:55:18it's a haptic that's already implemented
0:55:20it was gonna go to any same as the
0:55:22control central yeah
0:55:24have you used this is my favorite haptic
0:55:27maybe in the in the system if you go
0:55:30over on the digital on the digital
0:55:32keyboard on and you hold down not for
0:55:35impressed mind you just long long press
0:55:37on say the dash button it brings up a
0:55:40little haptic to to change it from a
0:55:43dash to an end to an end dash to an em
0:55:45dash to a bullet and then when you're
0:55:47sliding between those you have haptic
0:55:49for all of those little those little
0:55:51options and that is my favorite like as
0:55:54soon as i discovered that that made me
0:55:57look towards the future where I was
0:55:58saying like where things are not so
0:56:00haphazardly implemented and when perhaps
0:56:02we might have the battery life to be
0:56:04able to put the entire keyboard haptic
0:56:06which I actually I really want to see a
0:56:09a full haptic keyboard even just as a
0:56:12proof of concept with the current taptic
0:56:13engine because i think it would actually
0:56:15be better not like obviously it's not
0:56:17going to feel like a real keyboard but i
0:56:19think it would be a lot better than
0:56:20people currently think it might be
0:56:22yeah I have that on the Moto X this is
0:56:28that my at my most real i guess i'm
0:56:30waiting for to google announces next
0:56:32week but yeah it's the most recent
0:56:34android device i bought it from december
0:56:362014 and it's the one that you could you
0:56:39could pick what the material on the back
0:56:41is never known
0:56:43yeah that's a real gimmick but anyway
0:56:44that if this phone has a haptic feedback
0:56:47on the keyboard but it has no
0:56:49directional sense at all
0:56:51you know like so whether you're in that
0:56:53the queue at the top left or the m
0:56:57at the bottom right it's the same tap
0:56:59whereas it seems like apples got
0:57:01something and then new phones that has a
0:57:04little bit of a you know X and y-axis
0:57:07oh yeah there's definitely a rotational
0:57:09motor and you kind of feel that even
0:57:11just doing 3d touch on the home screen
0:57:13or if you tap on something in sort of
0:57:15the bottom right corner that's gonna
0:57:17pull up a pull-up a widget going upwards
0:57:20you can actually feel it going up as
0:57:22opposed to pressing at the top of the
0:57:24screen and having a widget going down
0:57:25and I don't know how much of that is
0:57:27brain trickery and how much of that is
0:57:28actually the motor like jiggling in a
0:57:30certain direction but it's it's nifty i
0:57:33can't i have to imagine that they looked
0:57:35into it and just either they weren't
0:57:37satisfied and therefore didn't release
0:57:39it or there's something had to have
0:57:41tried it because yeah for all the things
0:57:43that you know if we're going to start
0:57:45putting haptic feedback in the OS the
0:57:48keyboard had had to have been on the top
0:57:50of the list of things to try
0:57:52well that's I think that's got to be
0:57:54their eventual goal like when they
0:57:55talked about putting that the taptic
0:57:57engine way back in the first generation
0:57:59of the Apple watch that was my first
0:58:00thought is I'm like this is this is our
0:58:02our our slow path to getting a fully
0:58:05haptic keyboard and having that work
0:58:07properly but I I have to imagine that
0:58:10happening is not quite where they want
0:58:12it where they actually want to go to put
0:58:14it on the keyboard because I think I
0:58:16imagine their eventual goal is to
0:58:18combine haptics with the pressure
0:58:20sensitivity of the screen and really
0:58:22like in a way that what 3d touch is
0:58:25currently doing but if you can actually
0:58:27feel depth which you can sort of with 3d
0:58:32touch but not really and it requires a
0:58:34much bigger touch target area but if you
0:58:37could feel depth on those tiny little
0:58:38keys like that that is potentially a
0:58:41game-changer for mobile keyboards and
0:58:43it's you know it it would have to be
0:58:45done exactly right we feel like gimmick
0:58:47and right now the the taptic engine and
0:58:49does feel a little a little static but
0:58:51the potential is there
0:58:53the potential is there and you know I
0:58:55said I i can tell it's not ready yet but
0:58:58i still want a third-party keyboard that
0:59:00just doesn't all have to keyboard just
0:59:01for fun because i think it would be a
0:59:03blast
0:59:06I can't help but think it's coming i do
0:59:09think iíve said
0:59:10many times over the years that it it
0:59:14often matters what's what stacked on 5
0:59:1810 years 15 years after something was
0:59:20created as opposed to what was there
0:59:22from the outset and hurt the force touch
0:59:26and the haptic feedback to me has that
0:59:28sort of it would be different and more
0:59:31pervasive if it had been there right
0:59:33from the original iphone you know it's
0:59:35like like in the original iphone every
0:59:38single control every every single
0:59:41standard user interface control was was
0:59:44reimagined from what that looks like on
0:59:46the mac to accommodate the difference
0:59:49between a touchscreen with a big fat
0:59:51finger as opposed to a mouse and
0:59:53keyboard and mouse pointer system where
0:59:56you have this pixel level precision so
0:59:58things like
0:59:58things like
1:00:00the the datepicker right where you get
1:00:03it this spinning control on iOS as
1:00:05opposed to a drop-down menu that you let
1:00:07you get on
1:00:08I think that if they had if they had a
1:00:103d touch from the beginning every
1:00:14control would have some sort of haptic
1:00:15feedback whereas like you said the arrow
1:00:18like you said now it seems like half the
1:00:20teams went through and added some have a
1:00:22pic feedback any other some of the other
1:00:24teams you know just like a yeah they're
1:00:28like okay there's no there's pretty much
1:00:31no haptic feedback in music for example
1:00:33right
1:00:33music is another one of those that has a
1:00:35card that kind of flies up that could
1:00:36use it but yeah there's not a high
1:00:39really think it's an early we're seeing
1:00:41it in kind of its early days and did you
1:00:45get a chance
1:00:46there was a nap on one of the demo
1:00:47phones at the event a few weeks back
1:00:49that was a music app where you could
1:00:52play key
1:00:53yes yeah yeah and it would have no idea
1:00:55what that happens but i really want to
1:00:57find it i might be able to get that for
1:00:59you
1:01:00yeah I i could probably email somebody
1:01:02and get that that information but but I
1:01:05just remember plate like playing around
1:01:07with that and having a light bulb go off
1:01:09in my head and being like this is what
1:01:12Apple's waiting for is there not you
1:01:14know they're there
1:01:15yes playing with themselves but what
1:01:18they're really waiting to see is how
1:01:19third-party apps take advantage of
1:01:21haptic and also i imagine where they can
1:01:24steal like not necessarily steel is in a
1:01:26bad way but still isn't it like as in
1:01:28the pull to refresh kind of thing where
1:01:30watch how third parties are doing it and
1:01:32see if they're coming up with better
1:01:34ideas than the internal team is coming
1:01:36up with see if they're there they want
1:01:38to try something different that we've
1:01:40never thought of before
1:01:41yeah so that I just don't know what the
1:01:43name of it was but the demo app they had
1:01:44put up like a piano keyboard that was
1:01:46the width of the iphone and it not only
1:01:48gave you the feedback the feedback seem
1:01:51to correlate to the location of the key
1:01:53you were pressing yeah that's the main
1:01:55thing is it really did feel like it
1:01:58wasn't just that the phone was clicking
1:02:00it was that the keyed on the screen was
1:02:02clicking yeah it's not just it's not a
1:02:04rumble controller it's a specificity
1:02:06consumer and and you could change you
1:02:10can change how
1:02:11heavy your press was and you could feel
1:02:13that difference which was that was the
1:02:15really like yeah
1:02:16again it's that it's the pressure
1:02:18combined with haptics which really makes
1:02:20this not just like a nintendo rumble
1:02:23Rumble controller but something much
1:02:25more powerful
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1:04:27and registered the domain just in case
1:04:31yeah it's not quite as bad as your your
1:04:35botched microsoft read yeah if you go to
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1:04:40it'll just redirect you write you back
1:04:43place . come so you could probably use
1:04:45that and don't know you're coming from
1:04:46the show too because i really doubt
1:04:47anybody else is mangled that same way I
1:04:52weird you were talking about the music
1:04:54app I hear something yeah here's
1:04:57something that I still don't get about
1:04:59up going from one phone to another I
1:05:02don't understand how i'm supposed to get
1:05:04all my music from one to another it
1:05:06seems to me like every time I upload I
1:05:08back up my Mac I i do here's how i do
1:05:11the phones i do it to the mac through
1:05:13itunes because i think it's faster than
1:05:14I cloud so i take my old phone or like
1:05:18the review unit phone I used for two
1:05:20weeks back it up to my mac and then I
1:05:22take the new phone and go through the
1:05:24initial setup and say restore from
1:05:26itunes and then I connected to my back
1:05:28and I restore it and it seems like you
1:05:30know my music is here there's all got
1:05:32the cloud and I don't know because i'm
1:05:34using Apple music and I but I had all my
1:05:37all of my music what I would like is to
1:05:39have my entire personal music library on
1:05:42the downloaded on the floor for all time
1:05:44you know and then anytime anywhere on an
1:05:47airplane or something like that I've got
1:05:48all my music and I would like to use
1:05:50Apple music to listen to anything else
1:05:52that I want to listen to that I don't
1:05:54maybe don't own as a as a thing and it
1:05:57doesn't seem to me like I know how to do
1:05:58that
1:05:59yeah do you understand i do I completely
1:06:02understand but only because I've spent
1:06:04like practically a year troubleshooting
1:06:06how quickly can you explain this to if
1:06:09you can explain the yeah this will be
1:06:10worth the entire episode of the show
1:06:12okay so I'm from what I understand when
1:06:16you restore from a backup of your phone
1:06:18your previous phone had all of your
1:06:19music locally or had or ideally that's
1:06:22what you want right
1:06:23ok so you had downloaded all of your
1:06:25local music previously to your previous
1:06:26phone and for some reason it did not
1:06:28restore with that music alright alright
1:06:31yeah ok
1:06:32so I'm just as a guess because you have
1:06:35I club music library installed i'm
1:06:38thinking that apple says well you know
1:06:41John obviously once you know wants his
1:06:44apps restored and so we're going to make
1:06:46it actually not deal with within itunes
1:06:49backup now do you do you still get all
1:06:51of your apps from the itunes backup or
1:06:53does it make it download them from local
1:06:54from the cloud i still have to download
1:06:56them from the club and there that's the
1:06:58trick then
1:06:59so that's that's their argument there is
1:07:01that to make your iTunes backup faster
1:07:03and not you know not stress about it so
1:07:06much we're going to save your your
1:07:08information and make sure that all of
1:07:10the data for your apps is all fine and
1:07:12when you restore your apps that data
1:07:14gets plugged back in but we are not
1:07:16going to take the time to download
1:07:19multiple gigabytes of apps to iTunes and
1:07:22make you restore longer and probably the
1:07:24same exact thing applies to your music
1:07:26where it's like you may have downloaded
1:07:2840 gigs of music onto your old iphone 7
1:07:32review unit but we're not going to wait
1:07:35while 40 gigs of music is backed up to
1:07:38this phone or backed up to your imac and
1:07:40then rebat and then like transferred
1:07:42back to your to your new iphone 7 that's
1:07:44that's going to be that's going to be
1:07:46too long for you you're gonna get
1:07:47frustrated it's going to take half the
1:07:49day so instead we're just going to say
1:07:51ok if you want to redownload that music
1:07:53you can from iCloud music library what I
1:07:56don't get is when you restore a when you
1:07:58to restore a an iphone you're at your
1:08:02apps all downloads automatically i'm
1:08:03surprised that it wouldn't download your
1:08:07free download your music from the cloud
1:08:09because it knows again it has that
1:08:10metadata it knows what you had prior so
1:08:13in theory that should happen as well if
1:08:15we're following that same that same
1:08:17model from the apps but it doesn't sound
1:08:19like it's currently doing that and
1:08:21that's that's the point of of contention
1:08:24what I will say well that Apple has done
1:08:28that's much better this time around with
1:08:31iCloud music library than prior well a
1:08:34they've made it so that if you're
1:08:37subscribed to Apple music your music
1:08:40gets uploaded to iCloud music library as
1:08:42your music so there's no more drm which
1:08:45is very helpful
1:08:46goalkeeper unless you're downloading an
1:08:47apple music song and that also allows
1:08:49them to essentially split your library
1:08:52so now I'm there's a there's a setting
1:08:55I'm just going into settings really
1:08:56quickly so I can remember what it's
1:08:58actually called so I don't misquote here
1:09:00but inside inside Apple music there's
1:09:03now a setting called add playlist songs
1:09:05and essentially when you add music from
1:09:10the Apple music library on if you don't
1:09:13have ADD playlist songs enabled those
1:09:16those songs will just go into an apple
1:09:19music playlist so they won't they won't
1:09:22contaminate your library they'll just
1:09:24kind of hang out sort of in and in an
1:09:28apple music repository rather than
1:09:30messing around with your local library
1:09:32least that's how it worked in the beta
1:09:34probably would've changed
1:09:36I like yeah right yeah exactly that was
1:09:38that's a really nice like subtle thing
1:09:39and i believe it's turned off by default
1:09:41it's all online and I don't remember
1:09:43term kinds all right then maybe yeah it
1:09:45might
1:09:46it may have changed in the beta but that
1:09:50is that is one option for kind of
1:09:52separating your you're too and then also
1:09:54of course there's the the downloaded
1:09:56music option i think i feel like there
1:10:01was an easier way to download a bunch of
1:10:03I bunch of albums right now I didn't
1:10:06find it and well you know i mean it also
1:10:10is probably I'm like I'm tapping on the
1:10:12my various albums and like maybe I have
1:10:14all of my albums stored locally on this
1:10:16phone
1:10:17maybe that happened because I'm tapping
1:10:19on all of them and it says delete from
1:10:20library of course that maybe delete yeah
1:10:25oh yeah
1:10:25download there we go so you can download
1:10:28by album and you can download by I know
1:10:31you can't download by artist i would
1:10:33just like to say yeah
1:10:34download everything download all yeah I
1:10:37wonder if you can do that in the music
1:10:39settings and now we're just
1:10:40troubleshooting on the arrow this is our
1:10:41well we'll look at I mean yeah I wish I
1:10:44anything I think that Apple music is
1:10:46much better designed this year than last
1:10:49I think it's a very promising sign that
1:10:52they you know they got it that what they
1:10:54was so confusing last year I still feel
1:10:56like it has a long way to go
1:10:58it really does there is automatic yeah
1:11:01optimized storage is now
1:11:03toggle which is really nice so you can
1:11:05just keep your downloaded music as
1:11:07you're downloading music right and
1:11:08that's the feature where if your device
1:11:10is running low on space it'll start
1:11:12removing calling holy music that you
1:11:17haven't played recently which yeah you
1:11:19know is a pretty good feature all and i
1:11:21will need stuff that you can redownload
1:11:22if you if you need to
1:11:24yeah i really wish there was an easier
1:11:26way to download all music it's a little
1:11:28frustrating i still feel like a
1:11:30fundamental level it's it they're trying
1:11:33to do away with the distinction between
1:11:34my music my personal that the music
1:11:37collection i started building when
1:11:38Napster first collected i first started
1:11:40you know downloading mp3's or are
1:11:43turning my old CD collection and mp3's
1:11:45and Apple music this then pay for that
1:11:49has everything i still i just want I
1:11:52just want all of my music which now
1:11:54easily fits i forget how big my total
1:11:56music libraries but it used to be in the
1:11:58old days where you know like when the
1:12:00eight gigabyte was the big iphone
1:12:01couldn't have it all and now it's joke
1:12:05it's I don't know if I've got like 10
1:12:07gigs of music or something like that
1:12:08well a 256 gigabyte iphone can have it
1:12:10all easily and then some write and
1:12:14record some 4k video to write so then no
1:12:17matter where I am if I have no network
1:12:18access whatsoever i'm in an elevator on
1:12:21an airplane
1:12:23I know that I at least have all the
1:12:26music that it's my music and I can play
1:12:29it all right now
1:12:30mhm so anyway that's the way it should
1:12:32be
1:12:34I may be in there that when they finally
1:12:37redesign itunes haha ah you know maybe I
1:12:40don't know
1:12:41alright so what did you end up buying a
1:12:44phone for yourself yet it did what I
1:12:46ended up i ended up buying a jet black
1:12:49iphone 7 plus and you have already i had
1:12:52well I have it because I ordered it I
1:12:54didn't know that Renee and I were going
1:12:57to be getting review units until a
1:13:00couple days before the launch
1:13:02so I ordered mine at 3am 301 am on the
1:13:05app on here apple store app from bed
1:13:07because I wasn't sure when
1:13:10what if like
1:13:11otherwise when I would be getting a
1:13:12phone so i just i went ahead and i was
1:13:14just like i really don't like I really i
1:13:16hate hate the plus sorry hashtag Mike
1:13:19was wrong but I i wanted the camera
1:13:24features and I knew that if I was going
1:13:26to be writing about the camera features
1:13:28i kind of need the bigger phone but I I
1:13:31was like you know I also 14 days so if I
1:13:34really you know despise the the giant
1:13:37phone carrying then i can i can return
1:13:39it and go back to an iphone 7 or wait
1:13:41like a million weeks to get an iphone 7
1:13:43probably so I have that and then i have
1:13:45an iphone 7 and an iphone 7 plus that
1:13:49are my review units so i actually have
1:13:51jet-black iphones and both models no one
1:13:53come rob me this huh
1:13:56you might get you must have gotten your
1:13:57order in like at 301 that's Eastern oh
1:13:59yeah oh yeah IIM was probably one of the
1:14:02first people at least in my twitter feed
1:14:04who actually got the app open and
1:14:07showing on the ordering screen and I
1:14:08still I still was pushed out a week like
1:14:11I didn't get my seven plus until of I
1:14:14don't know the middle of last week I
1:14:16think that was the first batch I really
1:14:17do
1:14:18yeah well they went they went quickly i
1:14:21think it was like two people i know got
1:14:22them on release day and well what did it
1:14:25was it the plus size because like the
1:14:27plus jet-black yeah that's amazing if
1:14:29they they must have really been like in
1:14:31the first right on night yeah I had a
1:14:33lot of trouble with the app and in years
1:14:36past the app always seemed like that was
1:14:38the way to go to use the iphone app to
1:14:40order so i switched like 10 minutes in
1:14:43to a guy after 10 minutes of different
1:14:46things are not going well switch to the
1:14:49website and the website actually worked
1:14:51perfectly
1:14:52I just really loop new iphone poop no
1:14:54paraffin I had a I had no problems with
1:14:59the app once i got it to actually load
1:15:01my initial thing was just I mean I would
1:15:03I was doing probably the horrible thing
1:15:06that no Apple server tech wants to hear
1:15:09which is at y soon as 3000 one hit
1:15:14I kept on force quitting the app and
1:15:17then reloading force quitting reloading
1:15:18force quitting reloading it's like that
1:15:20the the horrible version of the you know
1:15:23man refresh on a mac and I got through
1:15:26probably 302 303 and other people were
1:15:28trying to do that didn't get through
1:15:30until 315 I think it wasn't clear if you
1:15:33just left the app open whether it would
1:15:34reload
1:15:36yeah they're always true it wasn't clear
1:15:38i I my assumption was that it would but
1:15:40since I don't know force quitting I know
1:15:43it's going to reload so therefore I
1:15:44force quit
1:15:45exactly exactly it's the same principle
1:15:48way back when with the liveblogs if they
1:15:50wanted to know if they just would have
1:15:52printed on the do you know the store was
1:15:55down before before they enabled it
1:15:57represent you know if they would just
1:15:59put on that page saying that the stores
1:16:01down that there is no need to refresh
1:16:03then I would have tried I would have
1:16:04trusted them and I would have left it
1:16:05open but yeah it also says macrumors i
1:16:10don't know if you saw this it this
1:16:11morning has a report from a min chi kuo
1:16:17the supply chain guru that jet black
1:16:21models are suffering from a quote low
1:16:23casing production yield rate meaning
1:16:26thirty to forty percent of the units
1:16:28that they are making don't pass apples
1:16:30quality standards this never hide and
1:16:33doesn't I don't think there's any
1:16:34difference between the regular size and
1:16:36plus I now now now there or at least
1:16:39there isn't anything in his data that
1:16:40was released to to MacRumors but what I
1:16:43do think i'm not surprised by it
1:16:46given how touchy jet-black is to begin
1:16:49with and you know the deal with
1:16:50scratches and everything else but
1:16:52specifically you know the I don't know
1:16:54if you notice this you have at least one
1:16:56jet black review model right i have i'm
1:16:59a jet-black review model and my the 1i
1:17:01bought is the park is jet black yeah the
1:17:04the thing that that we were noticing it
1:17:07and I'm or is that the unlike pretty
1:17:11much every other model of iphone 7
1:17:13there's a little bit of a of a perfect
1:17:17like a prudent for the sim card if you
1:17:20put your finger on the on the side with
1:17:22jet black iphone you've got a little bit
1:17:24of a bump there where if whereas if you
1:17:26do that on anything like on another
1:17:28iphone 7 like on a mat iphone 7 you
1:17:31don't really feel that so much
1:17:33and I I have to think that there are
1:17:35little bits little things like that with
1:17:37the with the anodization especially
1:17:40because of the way they do this in the
1:17:42the double n is the decision process
1:17:43with you know I i'm going to get it
1:17:46wrong if i try and describe it in detail
1:17:48so I'm just going to avoid it but I mean
1:17:50there's there's a lot of technology that
1:17:52goes into making this phone
1:17:54look the way it does which is honestly
1:17:57the kind of magical in terms of like how
1:18:00ridiculous it ends up looking if I don't
1:18:03indifferent all princess and the pea
1:18:04mode i would i would claim and I think I
1:18:07could I could do this blindfolded I that
1:18:10my review unit iphone 7 in jet black the
1:18:14sim card pretty prudence is almost
1:18:16indistinguishable and on this one that I
1:18:19but now owned it is noticeable not like
1:18:22not like i am complaining about it not
1:18:25it's not
1:18:26yeah but it is slightly different from
1:18:29yeah and I imagine all of them are
1:18:32slightly different like on my review
1:18:34iphone 7 it is much more noticeable than
1:18:37on my 7 + m and there's def a definite
1:18:42cut out so you happy that you order
1:18:45jet-black for yourself
1:18:46oh yeah without a question I I was a
1:18:48little nervous about it initially
1:18:52because I really wasn't sure how badly
1:18:55it would scratch up and whether or not
1:18:57the the material finish would be enough
1:19:00that i would feel comfortable keeping it
1:19:02caseless especially with the seven plus
1:19:05being as massive as it is but I have you
1:19:08know I've been rocking the review unit
1:19:10in the case because I generally try not
1:19:11to destroy apples materials and then
1:19:15where is really better than the ones i
1:19:17own and I don't either . viewers don't
1:19:19think they're that was reputed yeah the
1:19:22only thing i've done to the the poor
1:19:23review unit is made it film underwater a
1:19:25bunch of times and it seems to be okay
1:19:27good good good phone but um I my 7 plus
1:19:31i got in jet black no regrets i love
1:19:33love the tactile finish i've got
1:19:35probably don't know I'm like the thing
1:19:38is I've got it i know i've got a ton of
1:19:40scratches on this thing but unless i'm
1:19:42looking at indirect light i really can't
1:19:44see them that
1:19:45is the the beauty and the curse of the
1:19:47jet black finish is that in in sunlight
1:19:50or indirect light you can see every
1:19:52single scratch and like Ramona and cry
1:19:54and like have it hurt your heart up but
1:19:57in every other lighting and just by
1:20:00holding it in your hand you can't you
1:20:02can't feel the scratches on the casing
1:20:03on you can't really notice them and even
1:20:07in direct sunlight it just it it looks
1:20:11again it ages it is starting to age well
1:20:14as opposed to just looking like i could
1:20:17have seen a version of this maybe not an
1:20:19apple phone that had a sort of this kind
1:20:22of aluminum metallization where the
1:20:24second you get a scratch you can start
1:20:26to see like the aluminum under the black
1:20:29casing and it starts feeling really
1:20:31weird and just not not ending up being a
1:20:34good experience but I'm I'm pretty
1:20:36impressed in how they have ended up
1:20:38doing that was the problem that people
1:20:39had with space black on the the iphone 5
1:20:450 it was just scratches and we're going
1:20:47to college but yeah I think so it was
1:20:49either you won't you might have just
1:20:51been black it might have been before the
1:20:53era of space blank whatever it was I
1:20:55liked it but it when it did scratch or
1:20:58flake especially around that beveled
1:21:00edge it did show like the puerile you
1:21:03know the more aluminum naturally
1:21:05aluminium color underneath
1:21:07mhm and I do feel like they've gone back
1:21:10to these dark colors because they've got
1:21:11it down now where it the anodization
1:21:15layers like deep enough that like even
1:21:17if you get a scratch the scratches still
1:21:19the same color as the is that the the
1:21:22you know the regular yeah virgin device
1:21:25you know
1:21:26yeah i remember and an apple
1:21:28spokesperson talking to me about having
1:21:30the anodization doing a double coat of
1:21:32anodization and having one of them seep
1:21:34into the pores of the aluminum which I
1:21:36that may or may not be an actual
1:21:38description of like how that process
1:21:39actually works but I i can definitely
1:21:41believe that idea and we did I will say
1:21:45it r.i.p Renee's review unit because he
1:21:48did drop it a couple of times into into
1:21:51water at semi high velocities and
1:21:53there's a there's a little bit of a
1:21:54shift corner on one of the phones
1:21:57and that one the the very visible chip
1:22:01does have a lighter aluminum look to it
1:22:03than the rest than the just normal
1:22:05run-of-the-mill scratches but I think
1:22:07that's to be expected if you like if you
1:22:09physically like smash a corner of your
1:22:11phone into into pavements you're
1:22:14probably not going to retain that that
1:22:15beautiful finish my screen didn't break
1:22:17so it is a finish you mean is it's not
1:22:20magic it's not like they know you know
1:22:21well I don't maybe there's something
1:22:22maybe they could make that aluminum but
1:22:25it's it is a Finnish not just like that
1:22:27the metal itself is that color
1:22:29yeah i'm connor percent convinced i've
1:22:31made the right call for me personally it
1:22:33took me a long time now even when i
1:22:35recorded a week ago with jim i was i
1:22:37still have that was up on the fence
1:22:38along language the right mode but now
1:22:40i'm convinced and I really don't even
1:22:42care what it looks like after a year
1:22:43even if it's all scratched up the feel
1:22:45alone is it is enough for me because
1:22:48i've always been i mean it's starting
1:22:53with the five even 55 s6 success so for
1:22:57four generations
1:22:58I've always been a little unhappy with
1:23:01the slipperiness of the aluminum back
1:23:03and it was particularly bad with the
1:23:05iphone 6 and anecdotally broken backed
1:23:09up by the fact that the iphone 6 was the
1:23:11one and only iphone I've ever cracked
1:23:13screen on
1:23:14yep and i remember last year with the
1:23:18success asking
1:23:20when it when i got the review and had
1:23:25the briefing i said this feels more
1:23:26tactile to me you know did you guys
1:23:28change something or is it just that my
1:23:30old my personal old iphone has warned
1:23:32you know and they denied it they said oh
1:23:35that's interesting you know that it's
1:23:37like for your way that when apple
1:23:38doesn't want to talk about something
1:23:39they won't do not they won't say no they
1:23:41won't say you're crazy they'll say it's
1:23:43interesting you would say so no I don't
1:23:44think but I think that were willing to
1:23:48disclose right and i just think that
1:23:50they didn't want to say that the old one
1:23:52was slippery so they didn't wear the new
1:23:54one is less slippery but it clearly was
1:23:56to me and it seems like everybody I know
1:23:58who's had both backs it up but the
1:24:00difference with jet-black is just night
1:24:01and day it's it's oh yeah it's just not
1:24:04slippery at all and that to me is like
1:24:06it it just feels so much better coming
1:24:09in and out of my pocket i find so much
1:24:11more certain that i'm not going to fat
1:24:13finger the phone then it's worth it
1:24:17somebody posted a picture on Twitter the
1:24:18other day showing their old either very
1:24:21original or like first or second year I
1:24:24ipod even though I'm yeah I forget who
1:24:28posted the picture but the back of the
1:24:30ipod was a very shiny polished mirror
1:24:33aluminum and it they all got scratched
1:24:36to hell
1:24:37oh yeah and the original case right that
1:24:40it you know nobody complete you know
1:24:42we've we've got to the point now where
1:24:44we're and you know if your personality
1:24:46type is the such that you the idea of
1:24:48these quote-unquote micro-operations
1:24:50bothers you it seems to me that's very
1:24:52clearly half of the reason why they have
1:24:54regular black in addition to jet black i
1:24:56think the other half being the
1:24:58aforementioned production problems with
1:24:59jet-black but it's you know if you're
1:25:03bothered by spy the idea of a easily
1:25:05micro of abrasion to finish don't get it
1:25:09you know
1:25:10yeah but I'm no one is forcing you to to
1:25:13get the jet black iphone but if you if
1:25:15you don't care so much about resale
1:25:17value and I think that is a big concern
1:25:18for folks especially overseas as you
1:25:21know I'm gonna get this phone but I'm
1:25:22gonna keep it in pristine condition for
1:25:24a year and then able to resell it and
1:25:27what's the Apple upgrade program i think
1:25:29I floats out to more countries and more
1:25:33are you know more areas that will become
1:25:36less of an issue maybe possibly although
1:25:39I mean it's still you're talking about
1:25:40reselling into the grey market which is
1:25:42a whole different question but that's
1:25:44that's the only reason why I could think
1:25:46to to avoid the jet black or to get the
1:25:48jet black and then immediately put in
1:25:49the into a case because you can you know
1:25:52my my review unit my iphone 7 jet-black
1:25:54has basically been a Senate case since
1:25:57the day I got it the day after i got it
1:26:00and it it has maybe maybe one or two
1:26:03scratches on the back and then the one
1:26:06the one night that I kept it out of its
1:26:09case to do some some photo test it and
1:26:12this is this is my own my own damn fault
1:26:15i had also gotten a brand-new nylon band
1:26:19and I had taken it out of its you know
1:26:21out of the the packaging from the apple
1:26:23store and I'd put the nylon band in my
1:26:25pocket and I put the iphone 7 in my
1:26:27pocket and the nylon bands buckle rubbed
1:26:31up against the front upper corner have
1:26:33to pour iphone 7 so it has this now very
1:26:36very smooth din set of scratches from
1:26:40that nylon band behold just kind of
1:26:43etching its way in there and it doesn't
1:26:45again you can't you cannot tell that
1:26:47it's scratched at all unless you catch
1:26:49the light mints and then if it's like a
1:26:52circle of circle of doom here otherwise
1:26:55you know it looks fine i do feel that
1:26:57the term micro abrasion it's slightly
1:26:59euphemistic but I feel like it's
1:27:01warranted because for me the definition
1:27:03between a scratch and a micro operation
1:27:05is these micro operations and this is
1:27:06all I've seen on both of the ones I have
1:27:08here are exactly like you said you have
1:27:10to catch the light at the right angle
1:27:11and look for them and then you can see
1:27:14them but you can't feel them with your
1:27:16hand and you can't even feel them with
1:27:18like your fingernail and to me and
1:27:20scratches something that you can you can
1:27:22see it in regular light and/or will add
1:27:28something that you can feel with your
1:27:29skin or your fingernail
1:27:30mhm there's a I gotta scratching on my
1:27:34iphone 6s plus on the screen that is
1:27:37very noticeable that's like a fingernail
1:27:40take a scratch and I you know this i
1:27:43I've put the seven plus since i got it
1:27:45through some fairly hefty like
1:27:47it was out on the beach doing some
1:27:49photography for my upcoming Apple watch
1:27:51review on and I i managed to walk away
1:27:54from this thing not only being near the
1:27:56beach but also being dipped in the water
1:27:58and like swim swim around with sand
1:28:01particles and dust particles and
1:28:02everything else and it came out of it
1:28:04pretty much per scene so I really think
1:28:08that although the yield rate may be low
1:28:10on the jet black it's probably for a
1:28:13good reason and I I kind of feel for
1:28:15Apple shipping department and their and
1:28:17their production lines because I'm sure
1:28:19having the yield rate below is a pain in
1:28:22the ass for for their profit margins and
1:28:24everything else but it's resulting and I
1:28:26hopefully a much better overall product
1:28:28for people when they finally get them
1:28:29into their hands
1:28:30yeah i and I've said this before and i
1:28:33will probably say it again all year long
1:28:34I actually feel bad for regular black
1:28:36because i love it i love the regular
1:28:39precious i almost got it
1:28:40I wish that they'd come out with a year
1:28:42ago so that I would have had a year
1:28:43where I gotta use the regular black
1:28:45because i like it so much more than
1:28:47space Gray's sort of a my dark and my
1:28:50light and she's really little stronger
1:28:54I really feel bad that at this new
1:28:56finish that i absolutely love that i
1:28:59didn't i'm not gonna actually own here's
1:29:03my hope is that they bring the exact
1:29:05same flat black aluminum finish to the
1:29:07macbook pro yes I would love that and I
1:29:11do lie i really like the the flat black
1:29:13aluminum I thought that was the phone
1:29:15that i was going to get until I touched
1:29:16the jet black and I think yield rate and
1:29:19cost aside even if the was exact same
1:29:22yield rate and cost for Apple I think
1:29:25jet-black would be wrong for the macbook
1:29:27pro I feel like you year you know like
1:29:31okay so there's fingerprints that you
1:29:33know that you can wipe off on this but
1:29:35the fingerprints are always pointed away
1:29:36from me right
1:29:38if you know in the back of the phone
1:29:40whereas like on the palm rest on your
1:29:41macbook it would I think it would be I
1:29:44think would be really ugly
1:29:45well so you remember though I I'm i
1:29:47think about Apple's history with black
1:29:49laptops and I think about the wall
1:29:51street and I think about the black
1:29:52macbook and although I mean I can't have
1:29:55they ever really made a glossy computer
1:29:56aside from the ibooks outer shell know
1:30:00it
1:30:00don't think so i just think its glossy
1:30:02is just wrong for a macbook yeah it just
1:30:05doesn't feel right so that's what my
1:30:07hope is they bring that that that same
1:30:08black to the macbook pros and i'll get
1:30:11to own it
1:30:12yeah oh sure thats i would i would buy a
1:30:15new black mac laptop in a heartbeat
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1:33:49you've been doing a lot of stuff with
1:33:52the cameras you and Renee with the
1:33:54iphone and I saw last night it was last
1:33:56night but it was certainly over the
1:33:58weekend where you were doing like
1:34:01product review photography of Apple
1:34:03watch and had what did you say it was
1:34:07like you is it a glider what was it that
1:34:09you were talking about
1:34:10oh yeah so I'm a slider slider so yeah
1:34:13with a and actually I didn't even know
1:34:16this was the professional term for it
1:34:17until you're filming with the michael
1:34:19fisher I who used to work for pocket
1:34:23someone and now works on his own YouTube
1:34:26channel and he brought these big giant
1:34:28slider rigs to put his camera on which
1:34:30are basically exactly what they sound
1:34:32like where you put your camera on a on a
1:34:34big like horizontal thing and then you
1:34:37move your camera all along the slider
1:34:40real wall year while you're filming and
1:34:43it grew and it makes for those like
1:34:44beautiful nice pans that you see in
1:34:47product in product videos or like this
1:34:51the slow zooms the you know basically
1:34:53it's like it's like a tiny steadicam
1:34:55break for the for the ground for a table
1:34:58and I don't have any of that equipment
1:35:02because I i do some i some geography but
1:35:07i'm not you know I i generally am only
1:35:09doing videos for your specific for
1:35:12specific events and and I think it was
1:35:15last year when we started experimenting
1:35:17with the idea of could we shoot a review
1:35:20video on a phone i did a the iphone
1:35:23success review entirely on my iphone as
1:35:26a as a fun like just as a throwback
1:35:29after Renee did his official review and
1:35:32in order to shoot like those beautiful
1:35:35like pretty device shots and like well I
1:35:38can't shoot this even with my i have
1:35:40like a couple of different pseudo steady
1:35:42camera rigs for the phone and even with
1:35:45those rigs I can't shoot a nice slow pan
1:35:48without it looking jittery and in too
1:35:52much for final cut to fix and so while I
1:35:55was filming this stuff I had kind of an
1:35:56epiphany last year and I'm like wait a
1:35:59second what if I shoot in slo-mo so ice
1:36:03I i flipped over to the slow mo slider
1:36:05and I made sure it was I think it's like
1:36:061 120 frames per second 1080p and and
1:36:10then just shot the same the same pan but
1:36:13shot in slo-mo with my rig and when you
1:36:16play it back in slow motion
1:36:18it looks almost identical to using those
1:36:21sliders i have just done it I've put a
1:36:24link to your tweet with it which has the
1:36:26video in the show notes and people can
1:36:27go i was blown away
1:36:29I honestly I just not part of it is that
1:36:31I'm like I'm an idiot and I still run a
1:36:35website that like it's 2001 and you know
1:36:38there are no videos this is but probably
1:36:41the best I i feel like i wanted i I it
1:36:44made me realize that like I wouldn't use
1:36:46it I wouldn't have a reason to do it for
1:36:48that you know like a product review shot
1:36:50of Apple watch but I realized looking at
1:36:52that that I'm vastly under using slow
1:36:55motion video in . just for like my
1:36:58personal use
1:36:59it's it's like it hasn't really gotten
1:37:02into my head that I have an amazing
1:37:03slow-motion camera and that it it can
1:37:07make all sorts of things interesting
1:37:10like i tend to only think of the most
1:37:11obvious thing like catching my kid a tad
1:37:16like the be jumping off a rock into the
1:37:17ocean well shoot that in slo-mo that'll
1:37:20look cool you know but that's like the
1:37:21most obvious that's like the first thing
1:37:23everybody think so that's your
1:37:24traditional slo-mo shot right you get
1:37:27you can get like like four just shooting
1:37:29like a panorama or something like that i
1:37:31think it smooths out the motion in a
1:37:33amazing way it is not believable to me
1:37:35that you should that this video in your
1:37:37tweet was shot with phone i know with an
1:37:40hour without like I'm some kind of
1:37:41complicated tracking rigged with a
1:37:44slider whatever they call it it really
1:37:46is amazing that and on top of that that
1:37:49particular shot that was shot freehand
1:37:51that wasn't even shot with like Oh with
1:37:53stabilizer rig or anything that was just
1:37:55shot with my hands
1:37:56yeah thanks to iterate that doesn't make
1:37:58any sense to me I mean it's amazing
1:38:01yeah it's it's a really really great
1:38:04shot
1:38:04thank you i have really been having a
1:38:07ton of fun with these cameras not only
1:38:09with the seven plus and portrait mode
1:38:11and all that stuff but even with video i
1:38:14think one of the things that people are
1:38:16kind
1:38:16discounting is that the iphone 7 with
1:38:20optical image stabilization becomes
1:38:22pretty great for low-light photography
1:38:24but becomes amazing for video all of a
1:38:27sudden like that the iphone 7 is now a
1:38:29camera that I feel as comfortable
1:38:32shooting with as i did with the with my
1:38:35success plus which prior to that the 6s
1:38:37plus was the only thing i would use to
1:38:39film anything with because it just it it
1:38:42looked too shaky and it didn't it didn't
1:38:44have the same you know the the right
1:38:46temperature and color tone that I wanted
1:38:49because the the 0 is just you know there
1:38:51wasn't there at all i had was digital
1:38:53image stabilization and now that the
1:38:54seven has that that's a huge step up for
1:38:57anybody who wants to shoot video and
1:38:59then you combine that with the with the
1:39:01f-18 aperture on the wide angle lens and
1:39:04it means that you can shoot video in
1:39:06lower light situations it means that
1:39:08you're slow mo in lower light situations
1:39:10is going to look better and that's even
1:39:12that's even a almost a bigger deal is a
1:39:14240 unfortunately their 240 frames per
1:39:18second slow motion is still limited to
1:39:20720p which is kind of a bummer I was
1:39:22kind of hoping that they would bump up
1:39:23maybe maybe we'd c4k slow-motion this
1:39:27year but it's you know there's only so
1:39:29much only so much you can do with a with
1:39:31a tiny tiny sensors
1:39:33well I think for case a big jump I just
1:39:35getting it getting the 240 frames per
1:39:37second a 1080 would be well exactly
1:39:39exactly i was hoping that we saw
1:39:41everything move up slightly one so maybe
1:39:43we got 4k at like 60 frames per second
1:39:46right and then we got a we still have
1:39:481080 at 120 and maybe 1088 240 would
1:39:51have been really nice to see but even so
1:39:54you can do 720 720 p at 240 frames per
1:39:59second now and in a dark room that used
1:40:03to be a non-starter
1:40:04it was just you know i would try and
1:40:05film i used to do roller derby tests all
1:40:08the time for personal emotion and the
1:40:11240 frames per second option just was
1:40:14just know it wouldn't work in the dark
1:40:16in any kind of like indoor practice
1:40:17space and now it's a legitimate option
1:40:19it's still not great because 720p but
1:40:22you can actually you can use it without
1:40:24feeling like it's the worst thing that
1:40:26you've ever done in your life with a
1:40:28camera
1:40:29I I mean that's not exactly high praise
1:40:32but it's there there's some definite
1:40:34advances that come with both both Oh is
1:40:37on the seven but also that that larger
1:40:39aperture on on both the 727 applause and
1:40:42the zoom feature did you link to austin
1:40:45man's yes adventure in Rwanda if you
1:40:49watch that video I that they shot that
1:40:52entire video on 7th loss which is kind
1:40:54of amazing 222 sort of imagine on but it
1:40:59on top of that they did several times
1:41:02during during the shoot they had video
1:41:05where they actually sort of jumped on
1:41:07that not even a rack focus but like jump
1:41:10jumped from the friends from the 1x lens
1:41:13to the to excellence and there's a
1:41:14little bit of software stutter in
1:41:17between the two but overall it's it's a
1:41:19really cool way to to snap onto a
1:41:23subject and something that I wouldn't be
1:41:25surprised if we saw that got used more
1:41:27often in photography
1:41:29yeah it's a it is it
1:41:32well I've tried not to talk about
1:41:34because i'm not going to use a public
1:41:35place first if this isn't it hurts my
1:41:38heart to talk about but you don't want
1:41:40to talk about portrait mode and all I
1:41:41know I you know got to be a big boy from
1:41:45that you know use the small phone I've
1:41:46gotta go to face up to it on now but it
1:41:49does it is one of those things where I
1:41:50thought out but this doesn't even work
1:41:52you know midway through a video but it
1:41:54does and it's it is pretty cool i do
1:41:58think I think optic is sometimes with
1:42:00camera stuff it's like when you get all
1:42:02nerdy and start listing these the
1:42:05technical specs you know everybody knows
1:42:07megapixels
1:42:08I think it's finally gotten through to
1:42:09almost everybody that megapixels is not
1:42:12a simple the bigger the number the
1:42:14better wanted versus quality and it's
1:42:17it's it you know there's the factors
1:42:19like noise because you have more of
1:42:21these you know the more light you know
1:42:23having fewer pixels but having the
1:42:25pixels on the sensor be bigger so that
1:42:26heat soak up more light is actually way
1:42:28better than having more pixels and
1:42:30you'll even if you'd even if your goal
1:42:32is to blow the picture up real big your
1:42:34you get a better image on optical image
1:42:37stabilization is one of those things
1:42:38where it just you know it everybody can
1:42:41kind of figure out what it means it's
1:42:42you know it's a very clear term and you
1:42:44know like the illustration that Apple
1:42:46uses where they showed that the little
1:42:47and sort of bouncing on a you know
1:42:49little suspended thing you get it but
1:42:51the practical effects of it are so
1:42:53dramatic
1:42:54especially for video because I gotta
1:42:56still photography you don't really you
1:42:58may not know that optical image
1:42:59stabilization help because it just means
1:43:01you can get us a clearer picture with
1:43:04less light but you may not realize you
1:43:06don't have to realize that it is but
1:43:07with video it really is a very clear
1:43:10difference in in typical just consumer
1:43:13what you know fashion like you're at a
1:43:16the the soccer game for your kid and
1:43:19you're just you know holding the phone
1:43:21out in front of you and panning it or if
1:43:24you're walking and especially walking
1:43:26write and the just the baby even if you
1:43:27try to keep it stable the the motion
1:43:30that you get without optical image
1:43:32stabilization when you shoot video is
1:43:34really distracting
1:43:36visually it just looks unprofessional
1:43:38and the difference with OIS is so
1:43:41dramatic it's not like oh and it really
1:43:43improves it a little bit it really does
1:43:45make it look like you've got a Steadicam
1:43:48uh-huh like me and I the world's best
1:43:50steadicam operator but it does look like
1:43:52your phone is you know somehow floating
1:43:54through the air
1:43:55it's really remarkable both in the am
1:43:58the shots that we did for the iphone 7
1:44:00review and also the shots that I was
1:44:02having Rick help me with for the Apple
1:44:03watch review there are a couple of shots
1:44:05were again he's freehanding walking
1:44:08backwards on a bike path while i'm
1:44:09talking directly and I get that I take
1:44:11the initial video of that and put it
1:44:13into final cut pro and I'm like I'm
1:44:15going to to click the stabilization
1:44:17button and then I actually watched the
1:44:18video and I'm like this doesn't even
1:44:20need stable
1:44:21that's ridiculous that's not fair her
1:44:23like this that we've come so far and
1:44:26especially I remember the the first time
1:44:29I got to play with a phone that had 0 is
1:44:31which is was the six plus i believe was
1:44:34the first one shooting video on the six
1:44:36plus specifically with the with Derby
1:44:41and shooting video while being on roller
1:44:44skates and shooting somebody on roller
1:44:45skates
1:44:47despite the little tiny bumps that
1:44:49happen when you're rolling
1:44:50unpaved an inner or badly paid and
1:44:52concrete it looked like I was basically
1:44:55running a seven hundred dollar rig and I
1:44:57remember the you know the two years
1:44:59before that when i actually had a
1:45:01Steadicam break for the iphone for that
1:45:04I had I had gotten from from steadicam
1:45:06from as a refuge unit when they were
1:45:09trying to market steadicam thanks for
1:45:12for the iphone and thinking this this
1:45:15iphone this iphone 6s or 6 plus shoots
1:45:19better more stable video then the you
1:45:22know $200 steadicam break that i was
1:45:25playing around with all those years ago
1:45:28that's crazy being a dedicated 4.7 inch
1:45:31iphone user and not not liking the
1:45:33plus-size it bothered me a lot more last
1:45:36year when the plus gato is for video
1:45:38than it did in the previous year where
1:45:41the plus did have optical image
1:45:44stabilization but only for stills amor
1:45:46ya weigh less because I've you know shot
1:45:49enough low light stuff you know amateur
1:45:52style in my life where I know the tricks
1:45:55like resting the camera on a table or
1:45:58something so that I'm not just my hand
1:46:00you know in low-light like ways to you
1:46:02know keep the camera is still as
1:46:04possible to to do that i'm not saying
1:46:06like my little resting the camera on
1:46:09something to hold it stable is as good
1:46:11as is but i felt like i could compensate
1:46:14for stills but for video there's no
1:46:16there is no there's no way to to
1:46:18simulate it it's a cast and fantastic
1:46:21feature and it i see people posting and
1:46:24I see people just posting just you know
1:46:25typical not really thinking about it
1:46:28I've got my camera i'm just going to
1:46:29quick shoot a video of this weird thing
1:46:31I just saw on this you know there's a
1:46:32weird thing i saw on the sidewalk the
1:46:35video looks so much better stabilized
1:46:37mhm and well and on top of that and you
1:46:40think about how I phones have been used
1:46:42to cover news breaking events things
1:46:45like that
1:46:45yeah you know for someone to be able to
1:46:47pull out a phone at a rally or you know
1:46:50God forbid watching somebody get hurt by
1:46:53a another member of society and be able
1:46:55to film that and have that that footage
1:46:57is now broadcast quality its 4k that's
1:47:00that's pretty impressive the two biggest
1:47:02differences i think it
1:47:03as consumer cameras have gotten to be so
1:47:05good at high def video the two biggest
1:47:07differences between like professional
1:47:08footage and amateur footage
1:47:09stabilization and focal length you know
1:47:13the lenses and that's still where the
1:47:15plus has the advantage where people
1:47:17somebody if somebody shooting like
1:47:18breaking news event but it can't get
1:47:20close for whatever reason they can
1:47:21switch to 2x mode and get a dramatically
1:47:24different picture but when they do that
1:47:26you don't think he there is no o is on
1:47:27the 2x mode right now there's no is on
1:47:30the telephoto so it's a it's much
1:47:32Shakespeare both and you know in still
1:47:35photo and video but it is pretty
1:47:37remarkable like you know I've been
1:47:39playing around a lot with the zoom and
1:47:42digital zoom is still digital zoom it's
1:47:44not gonna you know blow the doors down
1:47:46anything when you start shooting at five
1:47:48or 10 x but the fact remains that you
1:47:51can now shoot at five and 10 x8 both in
1:47:54still photography still photographs and
1:47:56video and even though the video again
1:47:59you're going to have fuzzy video and
1:48:02like very fuzzy video at 10x but you're
1:48:04going to have the ability to focus on
1:48:06that like tiny thing that you're zoomed
1:48:08into whereas if you were just shooting
1:48:10at like one x and then try to blow it up
1:48:13artificially later you were going to get
1:48:15a much fuzzy picture and being able to
1:48:18shoot at ten act like I i thought this
1:48:20was going to be complete garbage and I
1:48:22was never going to use it and I'm still
1:48:24you know it's still not great but for
1:48:27things like we were just talking about
1:48:28for things like news broadcasts are
1:48:30breaking you know important things you
1:48:33can get a legible picture at 10x it's
1:48:36not going to be a great picture it's not
1:48:37gonna be a picture that i really want to
1:48:39put on the news but it is a legible
1:48:41picture you can see what's happening
1:48:43yeah it's it's a impressive difference
1:48:46you know in the same way that before we
1:48:48had the second lens that you could shoot
1:48:49at 2x and you knew it was digital but
1:48:51you know I brought you know you couldn't
1:48:53get it exactly because i didn't show you
1:48:54exactly but you know you know when you
1:48:56pinch that you're you're not really
1:48:58pushing your luck with digital zoom too
1:49:00much you know it could get closer to
1:49:03something and it was usable but now by
1:49:05starting with that telephoto lens it's
1:49:07it's really amazing
1:49:09yeah it is i should i guess i should
1:49:11clarify on video you can only go up to
1:49:136x but its equivalent to the
1:49:16framing of tennis masters videos pushed
1:49:19in react cropped sensor century yeah so
1:49:23portrait mode portrait mode
1:49:26this is the part this is the part where
1:49:27I'm gonna start crying if it well youyou
1:49:31got to play with it this weekend right
1:49:33you're playing it on your review unit i
1:49:34did I put it on friday or thursday i
1:49:37think it was last Thursday I did is I
1:49:39your flickr photos
1:49:40Jonas yeah and some of them turned out
1:49:43great and it's sort of a no-lose
1:49:46situation I'd by default because it
1:49:48shoots it is that all it should you know
1:49:50by default you get both and so if it
1:49:52does something undesirable it with your
1:49:56image by blurring something that she
1:49:57probably should have been blurred or
1:49:59putting like sometimes your heads look
1:50:01like there's a halo around them it does
1:50:02the edge detection on hair sometimes
1:50:04imperfect the worst-case scenarios you
1:50:07just delete the one with the depth
1:50:08effect and you've still got the no
1:50:10nothing fancy was applied this is just
1:50:14the image shot with the the camera
1:50:15picture and it also the fact that it
1:50:19does both really does make it fun to
1:50:21compare if you want to nerd out and try
1:50:23to figure out how that they're doing
1:50:24this
1:50:25yep and you're like oh which is which is
1:50:27blurred and how much is blurred and it
1:50:29was interesting because i did a
1:50:31time-tested this that my first thought
1:50:33is music became live is that the beta
1:50:36was the developer beta was I think live
1:50:38on Thursday there is your wednesday
1:50:40because that public beta was live on
1:50:42Thursday and so when I downloaded it my
1:50:45first thought was well you know Apple
1:50:47keeps joking that it's going to compete
1:50:49against it or that it looks you know at
1:50:52small-scale least indistinguishable from
1:50:54a DSLR so I'm like well let me just take
1:50:56my entry level DSLR and shoot comparison
1:50:58photos so I shot the same like 12 photos
1:51:02side-by-side one with a canon rebel xti
1:51:05with a 40-millimeter 2.8 portrait lens
1:51:08and one with portrait mode on the seven
1:51:11plus and you know it's not getting its
1:51:14still a DSLR and it still has a much
1:51:16better sensor and a much better you know
1:51:18I ad- in a full-frame it's a crop frame
1:51:21right camera but you know for comparing
1:51:25a eight-hundred-dollar camera too
1:51:28nine hundred dollar smartphone the seven
1:51:31plus takes photos that are in fifty to
1:51:35sixty percent of cases on on this beta
1:51:38this number
1:51:39you know betta number one not even
1:51:41really available for public consumption
1:51:43outside of the public beta program it
1:51:45takes photos that are up to a certain
1:51:49point comparable to the DSLR which is
1:51:52that that is a little bit mind-blowing
1:51:54it's like I've taken great photos on an
1:51:56iphone before and great photos that I've
1:51:58preferred to a photo that my cannon shot
1:52:01but the but 22 not necessarily show up
1:52:05the cannon and a 40-millimeter portrait
1:52:07but to play in the same ballpark is that
1:52:10to like go into a major league baseball
1:52:12game and be like no I'm not going to bat
1:52:14400 but I'm still gonna hit some pitches
1:52:16and I'm gonna maybe like get a double or
1:52:18triple every now and again like from a
1:52:20cell phone camera that that blows my
1:52:23mind
1:52:23it's a very Phil Schiller feature
1:52:26because i know that Phil is a serious
1:52:29amateur photography enthusiasts and he
1:52:31really described it so fairly onstage
1:52:34because he emphasized he went over
1:52:36backwards to emphasize that in no way
1:52:37shape or form does this feature on the
1:52:39iphone pose any threat to digital SLR as
1:52:44the terms of a genuine image quality
1:52:46yeah it right it's not going to replace
1:52:48your DSLR but some of the shots that you
1:52:51get with this are in this is it like
1:52:54here too for uncharted territory between
1:52:59what you get with these little tiny
1:53:02lenses and sensors on phones and what
1:53:05you can get with an SLR like it isn't
1:53:08side-by-side the image quality is you
1:53:10know not going to do the fake boca isn't
1:53:12going to compare to the real shallow
1:53:14depth of field of a nice camera but when
1:53:17you just look at the image it is on when
1:53:20it works it's so much better than the
1:53:22image you were going to get without this
1:53:23effect
1:53:24oh yeah and it's when it and when it
1:53:27works well it's it's incredible it's one
1:53:29of those things where you i hate i hate
1:53:31this phrase but it's still relevant it's
1:53:34the whole best cameras the camera that
1:53:36you have with you idea and it's like the
1:53:39t4i is a wonderful
1:53:41camera and I definitely like I bring it
1:53:43along when i'm going to things where I
1:53:46want semi-professional photos like
1:53:48weddings or vacations things where I
1:53:51really want to have beautiful memories
1:53:53and I want like to be able to shoot some
1:53:55artsy photography and with the iphone 7
1:54:00plus like things I wouldn't bring it
1:54:02along to or are like events like I went
1:54:04to yesterday where Rick and I went to
1:54:06like a corn maze and like picked out
1:54:08pumpkins and I'm like I'm not gonna
1:54:09bring a fancy camera to shoot pumpkins
1:54:11on because you know it's that I don't
1:54:14know it's not it's not 2006 this is not
1:54:17this is not my life anymore but I shot a
1:54:20whole bunch of stuff on the seven plus
1:54:22and looking through those photos I'm
1:54:24like these are not again these are not
1:54:26photos that are going to beat the t4i if
1:54:28I had brought the t4i along but I'm not
1:54:31regularly carrying my rebel my rebel
1:54:34doesn't fit into my back pocket and for
1:54:37me to be able to get photos that are
1:54:39like 75% the quality of the rebel and
1:54:42photos that i would feel comfortable
1:54:43even because they were in good light
1:54:46blowing up 22 like a picture frame or
1:54:49something like that like that's that's
1:54:51pretty fantastic that's not that's a
1:54:53really wonderful step forward for mobile
1:54:55photography the threshold for do I want
1:54:57this heavy camera on a strap around my
1:54:59neck all afternoon is getting higher and
1:55:02higher Mars getting raised for just how
1:55:05much I care about the pictures to do it
1:55:07yes exactly how many years of these
1:55:11pictures going to be in in rotation and
1:55:14you know have how big a size am i going
1:55:16to eventually want to blow them up
1:55:18I am so curious as to how long it's
1:55:22going to take for this dual camera
1:55:24system to trickle down to the smaller
1:55:26size like is I I'd you know is next year
1:55:30too soon it might be because it's you
1:55:32know like optical image stabilization
1:55:34took 22 years
1:55:36yeah a little of course when it when it
1:55:39came it came for both image and video
1:55:41you know that is true so it's like less
1:55:44than two years behind it's like you know
1:55:46it it caught up to where they were last
1:55:48year
1:55:48yeah I I think it's really going to
1:55:50depend on
1:55:52how the form factor changes if at all in
1:55:55the next iPhone because you know they're
1:55:57there of course rumors of the idea of
1:55:59getting rid of the top and the bottom of
1:56:00the bezel and making the iphone a little
1:56:02bit smaller
1:56:03you know squat wise and while that would
1:56:08be awesome from a holding a plus model
1:56:11perspective it does mean that you're
1:56:13taking away usable space for things like
1:56:15sensors and battery and stuff along
1:56:18those lines so I get it thats that is
1:56:21gonna be a big question if they change
1:56:22the form factor are they still going to
1:56:24have enough space to to add the double
1:56:27lens camera on the seven and if they do
1:56:30are they going to have enough space to
1:56:32to add stabilization to the second lens
1:56:34on the plus because i think that's
1:56:36that's the no-brainer next step feature
1:56:38work putting any bigger the the seventh
1:56:42the telephoto sensor also has a smaller
1:56:44sensor than the the wide-angle lens and
1:56:47that's that's also something that's like
1:56:48damaging the photos a little bit not
1:56:51only time i think that one though is a
1:56:52factor of like if you do the sideways
1:56:55drawing of the lens optics it's yeah
1:56:57it's impossible idea i think it's
1:56:59actually impossible unless they made the
1:57:01bump stick out further that they're sort
1:57:03of like a macbook the sensor size is
1:57:05determined by ok if we make the lens
1:57:07this is how big the lens will be
1:57:09circumference this is how thick the lens
1:57:11you know how far out we're going to
1:57:13allow it to protrude on the bond then
1:57:15you just draw these lines and then that
1:57:17defines how big the sensor is so I think
1:57:19that I the consternation that people had
1:57:22about the sensor size of the telephoto
1:57:25thing was misplaced because there's
1:57:27there's nothing that can be done about
1:57:28that
1:57:29yeah it's it's physics there's anybody
1:57:31with a wider if they put a wider angle
1:57:33lens like a fish islands you can get an
1:57:35even bigger sensor because it would you
1:57:37know
1:57:38mhm but because of the objects right
1:57:40yeah absolutely
1:57:42oh is that would be a huge one why do
1:57:45you think why do you think that portrait
1:57:47mode is in beta
1:57:49I on it's better than I thought I
1:57:52thought it was going to be like crashy
1:57:53not it seems to me like the only
1:57:56problems it has is that it's still
1:57:59sometimes you know buzzes out the side
1:58:01of your head or something like that
1:58:02yes data it i mean suit
1:58:05here's by my curiosity and my question
1:58:08is I wonder if they're using
1:58:09differential privacy and in the beta
1:58:15together like anonymous information
1:58:17about these photos to faithful two
1:58:20better figure out I don't know how they
1:58:21would have a little because I didn't
1:58:23happen to anything privacy well now he
1:58:25didn't it seems like it's all just right
1:58:27there you just had to opt in to say I
1:58:29agree that this is a beta
1:58:30yeah but i'm not sure if that's in the
1:58:32baby like that because that's the thing
1:58:34i would think is that you use it as a
1:58:37beta so that you can have people you can
1:58:40not only have data to figure out how to
1:58:42make your your detection better but you
1:58:44can also have people give feedback and
1:58:46say like you know this picture is great
1:58:48except that blurred out half of my hair
1:58:50and and this picture of an object is
1:58:53great except you know half of the object
1:58:55is out of focus and granted you know
1:58:57object object detection is not
1:58:59officially supported in any way shape or
1:59:01form if you go by the official apple
1:59:03line
1:59:04the only thing you should use portrait
1:59:05mode for is portraits but of course
1:59:07people like taking closeup pictures of
1:59:10their pets and objects and things like I
1:59:12saw a great photo of a pair of boots
1:59:15today I'm that can go anywhere account
1:59:17as well yeah and it's a it is a perfect
1:59:20example of a photo where I wouldn't want
1:59:23it i'm not i'm not enough of a photo
1:59:25nerd and it without zooming in just
1:59:28looking at it at the natural size if you
1:59:30wanted two Pepsi challenge me like okay
1:59:32was the shot with portrait motor was
1:59:34shot with a two-thousand-dollar canon
1:59:37SLR and a 50-millimeter prime lines i
1:59:39would not want to answer the question
1:59:40because I now I I can't tell you can
1:59:43only really tell blowing it up to full
1:59:45screen resolution on my 5k imac right
1:59:48and that's sort of sort of one of the
1:59:51reasons that I think that this feature
1:59:55is going to be so popular and it's so
1:59:56useful is that so much of the time we
1:59:58spend looking at
1:59:58spend looking at
2:00:00at photos is on iphones or you know
2:00:03other phone sized screens and the
2:00:05difference between the fake depth effect
2:00:08and the real optical depth effect of the
2:00:10better camera it's it's way harder than
2:00:13smaller you make the picture of the
2:00:14harder it is to tell the difference
2:00:16absolutely and they're doing apple is
2:00:18doing a really smart thing here in terms
2:00:21of the levels of detection they're using
2:00:24the the depth map that they're making
2:00:25where I feel like android there have
2:00:29been android phones that have attempted
2:00:31to do a feature like this right now
2:00:33before and I'm actually our friend
2:00:35friend of I more and our Canadian editor
2:00:38Daniel Bader did a comparison between
2:00:40the honor 8 camera and and the iphone
2:00:43which because they both have dual lens
2:00:44systems and I'm fake bouquet kind of
2:00:46effect on but the difference
2:00:50the main difference is that not only is
2:00:52Apple using this is a in a in a pseudo
2:00:55telephoto portrait style lens but
2:00:58there-there blurring the blurs are our
2:01:00soft when it works well the blurs are
2:01:03soft gradual and intentional so that in
2:01:06the very far back of the picture you've
2:01:08got it sort of Max gaussian blur but if
2:01:11you get to like the second death
2:01:13select the the leaves like I'm looking
2:01:15at one of the the corn pictures that I
2:01:17did the leaves right behind my head or
2:01:19only slightly blurred when you compare
2:01:22that to the blur at the very back of the
2:01:24corn field which is much more blurred
2:01:26and almost to the effect it almost to
2:01:28the extent where you get kind of the
2:01:30quote-unquote bouquet style light
2:01:33aberrations whereas stuff like the honor
2:01:37eight just does a flat blur and doesn't
2:01:40really try and make a super depth map of
2:01:42it or maybe it tries to make a depth map
2:01:44but it just fails utterly and just ends
2:01:46up just doing a mass like here's here is
2:01:49the subject cut out of the picture and
2:01:50then here is just straight gaussian blur
2:01:52and that's that was my fear when
2:01:54portrait mode launched is that it was
2:01:56when it launched when it was announced
2:01:57was that it was going to just be that
2:02:00where it's just going to be straight
2:02:01gaussian blur and then subject cut out
2:02:04and they've really done something much
2:02:05more refined with ice
2:02:07I guessed very wrong about how it's
2:02:08going to work my initial guess coming
2:02:11out a day one of the apple event
2:02:12so what they said was my guess was what
2:02:14they were going to do is use the two
2:02:17cameras to create the depth map and use
2:02:19that to set focus . this focus . on the
2:02:22the telephoto lens which would take the
2:02:24main image but that they would then take
2:02:27a second image with the wide angle arm
2:02:30it yet with a wide-angle camera but a
2:02:32focal length of like one inch so that
2:02:35would blur everything everything would
2:02:37be blurry and then they would crop that
2:02:39you know something like that we consider
2:02:41that you'd get actual optical blur from
2:02:44the world but that's not how they're
2:02:45doing it all that is not now and it
2:02:48might be in the future I don't know but
2:02:51it's this it the reason I my mind went
2:02:54that way is I thought it would look
2:02:55better but this looks so much just looks
2:02:57so much better than I thought it would
2:02:59based on the fact that it's all in
2:03:00software promised us you know all with
2:03:04all the imagery coming from the one lens
2:03:06oh yeah there's I mean some of these
2:03:08images i look at and and like this the
2:03:12isp was able to give this to me in under
2:03:14a second like this didn't take them 5
2:03:17minutes of rendering to know to put
2:03:19everything and it's you know they're
2:03:20doing it live I mean it's so fast that
2:03:22it the preview is live but i do feel i
2:03:24wonder if that is one of the reasons
2:03:26they're calling it betta because the
2:03:27frame rate on the live preview it's
2:03:29important no I'm complaining about this
2:03:31thing that a couple years ago would have
2:03:33taken like 30 seconds to render in
2:03:35Photoshop you know you have like a
2:03:37progress bar showing you know classes
2:03:40and now i'm getting it as a live preview
2:03:42and i'm complaining about how slow it is
2:03:44because the framerate looks to me like
2:03:46it's somewhere in the twenties it's it
2:03:49yeah under 30 frames per second
2:03:52yeah it's tough i would say looking
2:03:55looking at it side to side it's probably
2:03:5720 words but maybe it's not even it's
2:04:02not static know maybe it varies given
2:04:05the complexity of the of the picture and
2:04:07it definitely seen it stutter when it's
2:04:09trying to figure out more complex depth
2:04:12maps even in in times when the actual
2:04:16picture ends up coming out really well
2:04:18like a picture of pumpkins i took the
2:04:20original depth map that it was
2:04:21previewing for me had like half of the
2:04:23pumpkins blurred
2:04:25and I've and I've learned kind of to
2:04:26trust that the isp knows what it's doing
2:04:28and even if the preview is incorrect
2:04:30it's probably gonna look better
2:04:32it really must have killed the product
2:04:34team that this didn't wasn't able to
2:04:36ship in the first version just because
2:04:39all all of our initial reviews didn't do
2:04:43all we ever be included yeah all we
2:04:45could mention about portrait mode is
2:04:46that you know this is a feature that's
2:04:48coming in at software update my hands
2:04:51it is super compelling and my better
2:04:53better to get it right than to ship it
2:04:56early and have it be not great right and
2:04:58it's like it's not bad right now it's
2:05:00it's very promising for 4 beta 1 but I
2:05:03am glad that they're starting it as a
2:05:05beta rather than shipping it unfinished
2:05:07or shipping it kind of with a half
2:05:10hazard edge detection
2:05:11I just don't know how they're gathering
2:05:13data to fix it wallets in the beta i
2:05:16don't know either and I have definitely
2:05:17noticed and i don't know how much this
2:05:19is factoring into the beta description
2:05:22like you said it definitely wants you to
2:05:24take a picture of a person because it's
2:05:26hit it you know it's doing this facial
2:05:29recognition to get the focus . a
2:05:30definite and when I've tried to use it
2:05:32to shoot an inanimate objects
2:05:34the results are it's harder it it often
2:05:38refuses to even engage depth mode and
2:05:41I'm even when it does it's it's almost
2:05:44sometimes all messed up in terms of and
2:05:46it's just a blur have you manually have
2:05:48used the manual focus . by tapping the
2:05:52screen
2:05:52yeah yeah but it doesn't that's it
2:05:55doesn't work it's sometimes it doesn't
2:05:57help it doesn't suffer some reason it
2:05:59alittle focus on that . it does it's not
2:06:01that it doesn't focus but it isn't able
2:06:03to do the depth map to do that yet to do
2:06:06the blower properly for their you know I
2:06:08probably most people most people
2:06:10listening either don't have already have
2:06:13a 7 plus in their hands and even if they
2:06:15do they may not be foolish enough to be
2:06:16running a developer bit on so by the
2:06:18time most people listen to this they you
2:06:21know they want to use it first and the
2:06:23thing is it's it's very much like the
2:06:26HDR indicator so when you're you know
2:06:29before you even snap the photo if you
2:06:31have HDR on it'll it'll the HDR
2:06:34indicator turns bright yellow so you
2:06:36know you're getting an HDR is on like if
2:06:38you have
2:06:38you're set to auto so when you have when
2:06:41you're shooting in portrait mode you
2:06:44know whether it sees where that's going
2:06:46to shoot with the motor not because it
2:06:48actually turns yellow with a yellow
2:06:50background and says depth effect and if
2:06:52it does if you don't see that you're not
2:06:54going to get you're definitely not going
2:06:56to get the depth effect so you don't
2:06:58even have to judge it based on the the
2:07:01live preview to see if you see the fuzzy
2:07:03background or whatever if you don't see
2:07:05that yellow indicator of depth effect it
2:07:07doesn't it's it's confused by what it's
2:07:09what's in the frame and hasn't yet done
2:07:11it and with inanimate objects it
2:07:13definitely can take a lot longer than
2:07:15with humans humorously with humans you
2:07:18really can just sort of put in that mode
2:07:20frame it shoot and trust that it's going
2:07:23to use depth effect
2:07:24yeah it's not too bad with pets it works
2:07:26pretty quickly I my question my question
2:07:29was because of that that the big
2:07:31similarities you know I eyes and a
2:07:33Roundhead does it does it seem to do
2:07:35better with pets then say in a bottles
2:07:38or shoes yeah oh yeah it has it has a
2:07:41lot of problems with anything that's my
2:07:42reflective iso iphones it doesn't have a
2:07:45huge success rate with right now
2:07:48especially chip black I phones or I
2:07:51tried to take a picture of a whiskey
2:07:53bottle that I put in my DSLR comparison
2:07:55and it was like half blur and half bit
2:07:58whiskey bottle and then the label was
2:07:59blurred out so it has problems with
2:08:01writing and it has problems with
2:08:02reflection that pets seem to it it seems
2:08:06to treat pets pretty well I've gotten
2:08:08some really really spectacular pictures
2:08:10of my dogs with them with this mode
2:08:14engaged and even i was taking pictures
2:08:16today out on a walk with that with one
2:08:20of the dogs so this was motion portrait
2:08:23mode and even even like wall my dog was
2:08:27moving it managed to get a pretty good
2:08:29pretty good picture I've only granted
2:08:31I've only looked at it at on the like
2:08:33preview and photos so i could go back
2:08:35and look at it now and it could be awful
2:08:36but to my to my recollection of actually
2:08:40looks pretty great
2:08:41yeah I shot a a whiskey bottle actually
2:08:47for friend cause it was somebody was
2:08:48looking for a recommendation and
2:08:51and I it came out amazing i think i'll
2:08:54send it to you now open to the right
2:08:56person
2:08:58nope that's my dad hello Anna
2:09:02now it but it was definitely but it
2:09:04definitely took some time to with the
2:09:07playing with manual focus to to get the
2:09:10depth effect indicator to come on
2:09:13yeah a date you have to take a little
2:09:15while and then even when the depth
2:09:16effect indicator comes on it may not
2:09:18always work on they I feel like with
2:09:22objects and with non non human subjects
2:09:25there's one of two things that happens
2:09:27it's either it blurs out too much stuff
2:09:30and it goes you know too much into the
2:09:33into the actual object or it creates
2:09:36this very fine cut around the around the
2:09:40subject and if you zoom in you can see
2:09:42like the media like I'm a millimeter
2:09:45half a millimeter of fuzz of the of the
2:09:48pre blurred background but when you're
2:09:52looking at it you know and just on it an
2:09:55iphone screen you can't really tell ya I
2:10:00also in this this whiskey bottle shot
2:10:02that i sent it is one more example of it
2:10:05to me wear it it seems to me like and
2:10:10again maybe I'm and I'm getting a
2:10:14placebo effect here because I'm seeing
2:10:15what I want to see but I i think so far
2:10:19and this is something I've only noticed
2:10:20after i wrote my initial review but it
2:10:22seems to me like the noise you get from
2:10:24the iphone 7 cameras is a more pleasant
2:10:27noise especially on the telephone oh
2:10:30yeah and they're this whiskey bottle
2:10:33shot i sent you to me and it's sort of
2:10:35it i used to have this camera here from
2:10:38years ago / used it so much that it
2:10:40actually i use it until it wore out and
2:10:42like it
2:10:42it broke like the digital camera just it
2:10:45it just doesn't work right anyone's ever
2:10:47called a Rico is from rico is a ricoh gr
2:10:50enrico is sort of an obscure everybody
2:10:53knows he's like a photocopier can pick
2:10:55company they don't have a big presence
2:10:57in north america and when i bought the
2:10:59ricoh gr di think it was like two
2:11:00thousand six or so it was like a
2:11:02point-and-shoot with a fixed 28
2:11:05millimeter f1 . o f 1.8 lens or maybe
2:11:09it's a two-point lines but a very very
2:11:10fast lens for especially for 2005-2006
2:11:13pointe shoes yeah and i had a bite on
2:11:16the gray market because they didn't
2:11:17actually sell it in north america but it
2:11:20was my was probably one of my favorite
2:11:22probably my very favorite camera camera
2:11:25that I've ever done in my life in fact I
2:11:26wouldn't hesitate as it's just accept
2:11:28camera it
2:11:30I've take I took more great photos with
2:11:32that camera because it was small but one
2:11:34of the things rico and it made me buy it
2:11:36was a Treecko had this reputation that
2:11:39their digital image processing created
2:11:44more film like noise right noises in
2:11:48with small digital cameras noises
2:11:50inevitable there's no way to get around
2:11:51it that's it the combination of this
2:11:53size of the sensor and the size of the
2:11:54lens you're gonna have noise but that it
2:11:58some of the shots shot over the years
2:12:00with Arika really to me look like vivid
2:12:03film prints but like you know iso 400 or
2:12:06ISO 800 film prints where you know there
2:12:08is no there's definite film grain and
2:12:12but it's just pleasant to look at
2:12:13I think the iphone 7 cameras to have
2:12:15that sort of effect that it they've and
2:12:19I think it's to their credit where maybe
2:12:21I think in if you wanted to knock the
2:12:23iphone 6 and 6s cameras that maybe they
2:12:26went too far trying to reduce noise you
2:12:28know and that the noise reduction that
2:12:29the bad effects of noise reduction we're
2:12:31a little bit too visible they try and
2:12:33smooth it a lot and that's something I
2:12:35mean I see that i'm sending you a couple
2:12:37pictures trading after a couple of
2:12:40lowlight pictures especially and i'm
2:12:43still seeing that sort of smoothing
2:12:44process happening on the wide angle lens
2:12:49and on sort of brighter brighter facial
2:12:53tones when you're shooting indoors but
2:12:55that these Dark Shadows I think that
2:12:58iphone 7 and 7 plus cameras are doing so
2:13:00much better on whereas prior you kind of
2:13:03got just either like a flat like very
2:13:06very very gated blur on on people's
2:13:09faces just it's I can't describe the
2:13:11smoothing exactly but it it feels very
2:13:13digital it feels very Tatton not tacky
2:13:16isn't a bad thing but tackies and woman
2:13:18almost sticky almost yeah there's
2:13:20nowhere to picture you sent me of rick
2:13:22is a great example i get nobody's going
2:13:23to call this your best picture of brick
2:13:25but now is it but it fits doesn't it has
2:13:29a character to it that you just never
2:13:30would have thought came from a phone
2:13:31camera exactly they this thing off to
2:13:34blur on that is beautiful and you end up
2:13:36with ya and I'm looking at the noise
2:13:38it's in your eye is that your kitchen I
2:13:40don't know but there's yeah that's my
2:13:42kitchen it's obviously at night and
2:13:43there's dark shadows underneath the
2:13:44cabinets and there's no did not really
2:13:46noise underneath them
2:13:48it's really more effective yeah it's a
2:13:50lie i'm really looking forward to
2:13:52especially one of the sort of downsides
2:13:56to the telephoto lens is of course
2:13:59because it doesn't have is and because
2:14:01it's a two-point at 2.8 aperture and on
2:14:05the normal photo mode if you try and
2:14:07shoot in a low light situation it
2:14:09automatically defaults to the wide angle
2:14:11lens zoomed in 2 X but it doesn't do
2:14:15that with portrait mode so you can
2:14:16actually use portrait mode even if
2:14:18you're not using the depth effect to
2:14:20shoot low light portraits with that
2:14:22telephoto lens and I i really do think
2:14:24the telephoto has a much nicer grain
2:14:27many me because of the fact that the the
2:14:30aperture is a little bit higher and and
2:14:33the light received to the sensor is a
2:14:35little bit different but yes it really
2:14:37does produce these really beautiful
2:14:39maybe it's just the framing but it it
2:14:41produces these really beautiful almost
2:14:43film like images and i like that i love
2:14:46i love that texture
2:14:47yeah and I'd some people would complain
2:14:49like but we went into my ricoh nerdery
2:14:51that the the counter-argument was you
2:14:54shouldn't be trying to simulate film you
2:14:56know be cured to digital and I think
2:14:58that's nonsense I think you should be
2:15:00trying you know that that the engine was
2:15:02a good image right the engineers should
2:15:03be optimizing for pleasantness and
2:15:05whether that means simulating film or
2:15:08not it doesn't matter
2:15:09does this look is this more pleasing to
2:15:12your eye and if the answer is yes then
2:15:14do it whether it's legitimately digital
2:15:16or fake analog you know don't worry
2:15:18exactly don't know looking at that
2:15:20looking at that whiskey bottle you sent
2:15:21me like the yes the blur is artificial
2:15:24and the blur is gaussian and I'll a lot
2:15:26of people are throwing their hands up
2:15:28and just being like well it doesn't look
2:15:29like an optical blurring looks so fake
2:15:31and like yeah but the picture of the
2:15:35whiskey bottle with the artificial blur
2:15:37looks about a hundred times better than
2:15:39the whiskey bottle without the
2:15:40artificial blur
2:15:41it's actually not a gaussian blur
2:15:43identity is Matthew pantry no friend of
2:15:47the show off you know frequent guest
2:15:50hehe got the scoop on this he got like
2:15:52two days pre-release access beta
2:15:55software and a really great article at
2:15:57TechCrunch on on this thing and he had
2:16:00written that it was a gaussian blur
2:16:02because somebody at apple and in product
2:16:04marketing that's what they told him that
2:16:05that's what they told against somebody
2:16:07who worked on the the code was like oh
2:16:10no and then it was like this whole
2:16:11hassle of like somewhere within Apple
2:16:13somebody you know who worked on the code
2:16:16wanted it to be known that no we're not
2:16:17just doing a gaussian blur they've
2:16:19stopped forget the term but it's like
2:16:20they they've created their own custom
2:16:23disc player
2:16:24okay well so i got my information from
2:16:27matts original review so now that that's
2:16:29very interesting
2:16:30I can't believe that yet if you reloaded
2:16:32he's got like a an updated exception but
2:16:34it was very same amount of sense where
2:16:36that it's a disc board that because
2:16:38that's sort of the bokeh effect
2:16:40yeah well it gets you it gets you closer
2:16:43to that that light effect that lighting
2:16:45effect that people associate with the
2:16:47sort of boca look one of the few things
2:16:52i dunno about photography is that the
2:16:55effect of actual boca it matters what
2:17:00shape the iris what's the iris of the
2:17:04camera called The in terms of the
2:17:07lengths that the the thing that opens in
2:17:10front of the lens and a little disk
2:17:12thing that opens in a sort of shatter
2:17:14yeah shatter the shape of the shutter
2:17:16always depends on how it renders yeah
2:17:20and a less expensive camera will
2:17:22fewer parts to the shutter because it's
2:17:25cheaper right shall we have a five sided
2:17:27thing whereas a more expensive camera
2:17:29has more parts and so therefore it's
2:17:31more it it's closer to a sphere as it
2:17:33opens interesting and so a more
2:17:36expensive so just looking at like
2:17:38cannons 50-millimeter lenses you get
2:17:40better boca out of the more expensive
2:17:42ones be one of the reasons why is the
2:17:45glasses better but number two because
2:17:47the shutter has more elements it
2:17:48actually creates more of a spherical
2:17:50bokeh effect that makes a lot of sense
2:17:52so it makes sense to me that they're
2:17:54blurs a disc player yet to try and
2:17:57emulate well and also on the pictures
2:18:00that I just sent you are from my DSLR
2:18:02comparison and the top one is the iphone
2:18:047 plus and the bottom is the canon xti
2:18:08and you can definitely see the
2:18:10difference in sort of that that lighting
2:18:13effect
2:18:13yeah between subject and that the light
2:18:16coming through the trees
2:18:17yeah in terms of how that let's operate
2:18:20so that that is something i didn't know
2:18:22about about the shape of the shutter and
2:18:23how much and that actually makes a ton
2:18:25of sense because you're dealing with a
2:18:26much smaller lunch by nature kinda has
2:18:31to be less complex camera because
2:18:32there's really only so much space you
2:18:34can fit inside there and so concludes
2:18:39the half hour segments of the talk show
2:18:41where I talk about the camera I won't
2:18:42have my last yeah okay i mean it's it's
2:18:47about the price of a DSLR so you could
2:18:50always buy and monitors with their yeah
2:18:54i'm now say I just as a final point of
2:18:57the show that it's I spent almost a full
2:18:59two weeks with the plus as my of soul
2:19:03camera practically speaking and loved
2:19:05the loved the camera especially love the
2:19:09portrait mode and hated everything else
2:19:12and everything else everything else I
2:19:14really really just I just dislike the
2:19:17size i use my phone too much one-handed
2:19:19to to use the + and so I'm i am
2:19:23convinced that my love for the dual
2:19:26camera system inside it still doesn't
2:19:28outweigh that the benefits to me just
2:19:31the hand feel and pocket feel of the
2:19:33smaller one
2:19:33yeah the the large one for me is
2:19:36definitely a trade off for the camera
2:19:38and it
2:19:39it pains my soul because i really i
2:19:41really love the jet black iphone 7 it's
2:19:44it is so comfortable it's a reason why
2:19:46there's a Senate case on that one and
2:19:47not on the plus yet i realized i do
2:19:51realize that's over my advice to people
2:19:52though is if you if you can vaguely
2:19:54tolerate even just yeah I don't really
2:19:56love it but I can tolerate the plus get
2:19:58the plus because it is amazing and for
2:20:02the first time like in previous years I
2:20:03definitely reviewed the plus and I spend
2:20:06a couple days with it but it was so
2:20:08clear to me that I didn't want it that i
2:20:10spent most of my time with the one I
2:20:11figured I'd use
2:20:12where's this is the first year where i
2:20:13spent like a two solid weeks living with
2:20:15it as my day-to-day phone and the
2:20:17battery life difference really relatable
2:20:20knocking it's almost comical like there
2:20:22was one night where I literally forgot
2:20:23to charge my phone overnight because i
2:20:25was just so back and forth between two
2:20:27phones and I'm gonna just left it
2:20:29downstairs and I it still had 44-percent
2:20:32back your life was like that what's that
2:20:34what's your iphone 7 battery at right
2:20:36now I don't have the percentage on and i
2:20:38actually was plugging it in while we
2:20:40recorded ok well last night though it
2:20:44did get got down to teach got down to
2:20:46the red before i went yet that I mean
2:20:48the iphone 7 battery is certainly much
2:20:50better than the than the success so even
2:20:52if you're upgrading from 4.7 inch to 4.7
2:20:55inch you're going to see a good good
2:20:57upgrade but all man that the pluses
2:20:59battery life I mean I for my when I
2:21:01switched back to the success from the 6s
2:21:03plus last year I pretty much had a had
2:21:07an apple battery case on that thing
2:21:09pretty much constantly since after the
2:21:12Apple better case was released because
2:21:14I'm just like well this is easy because
2:21:15it has the Lightning connector so i can
2:21:17plug it into all my lightning things and
2:21:19it basically gives me the battery life
2:21:21of the plus but now I get to have the
2:21:23battery life of of the of that kind of
2:21:26an iphone but I get to carry it without
2:21:28a case and I get to enjoy the jet black
2:21:29finish that probably would not happen if
2:21:32i had an iphone 7 i'd probably just put
2:21:35it back in the battery case i like i
2:21:39like my battery
2:21:42I i I've you know the battery life on
2:21:45the iphone 7 is fine and it does seem if
2:21:48anything a little bit better i think in
2:21:50real life than success for me but it's
2:21:52nothing compared to the plus the pluses
2:21:54yak it really is like having a battery
2:21:56case case on your phone and I you know
2:21:58that I'm not saying anything everybody
2:22:00doesn't know or that the advertised
2:22:01specs don't indicate but it's that you
2:22:04could just use the hell out of it and
2:22:05and not even worried about a charge
2:22:07mhm so anyway that's my take anything
2:22:10else you wanted to cover before we wrap
2:22:12things up
2:22:13oh gosh I feel like we could talk Apple
2:22:17watch but there's so much
2:22:18yeah it's I I don't have a lot to say
2:22:21about it because it's not that different
2:22:23from of slaves you call it i love the
2:22:26series 0 i love it but it's it's you
2:22:30know a series 0 that's updated to watch
2:22:32os3 is you know it it's got almost
2:22:37everything the brighter screen no is
2:22:38enough for me because I really is the
2:22:41difference between being unreadable and
2:22:43yeah I can read it in bright sunlight
2:22:45yeah the brighter screen is is pretty
2:22:47nice oh it's especially nice for me
2:22:49because and this is kind of my big thing
2:22:52is that i had a 38 millimeters series 0
2:22:55and I don't know how many people who
2:22:57listen to your show which struggled with
2:22:59the thirty eight millimeter all for the
2:23:01last you know 17 18 months but the
2:23:04thirty eight millimeter has a portent
2:23:07battery life
2:23:08I mean it was it was made with pretty
2:23:10much the bare minimum you know the the
2:23:13bare minimum acceptability standards i
2:23:15think because i would use that I would
2:23:18use that watch you know 12 hour workout
2:23:21and that watch would be down to like
2:23:22forty percent and it would die around
2:23:256-7 p.m. for me and I would you know
2:23:27like I figured out ways to to make it
2:23:29work where I would like charge it while
2:23:31i was showering and thankfully like
2:23:34quick charge would work but it was it
2:23:35was such a pain
2:23:37yeah it's really frustrating with it i
2:23:39think if you didn't use work out maybe
2:23:41not but anybody use the workout featured
2:23:43I've heard yeah I mean it's same thing
2:23:45with Amy joanna stern was on the show a
2:23:47while back and you know it was a big
2:23:49part of our review
2:23:50yeah 38 millimeters combined with work
2:23:52out
2:23:53you actually kind of need to figure out
2:23:55a way to to sneak a charge in during the
2:23:57day
2:23:58yeah which is which is really
2:24:00unfortunate better is that better series
2:24:02too i get off tonight day it's think
2:24:05it's actually incredible because one of
2:24:06my big fears when they announced you
2:24:09know they were talking serious too and
2:24:10they mentioned nothing about the battery
2:24:12but they did say gps and they said
2:24:14brighter screen and they said faster
2:24:18processor and those three things to me
2:24:20said oh great the series 238 millimeter
2:24:23is going to have the same if not worse
2:24:25battery life and I'm going to be really
2:24:28unhappy I and then you know I talked to
2:24:30a pineapple spokesperson at the event
2:24:33and they're like actually there is a
2:24:34slightly bigger battery in the thirty
2:24:36eight millimeter we're just not
2:24:36advertising it and actual use case has
2:24:42been incredible like to the fact where i
2:24:44was i was doing a two-hour workouts like
2:24:47I would do an a thirty-minute workout in
2:24:49the morning just doing an outdoor walk
2:24:51with my with my dogs and then i would go
2:24:53you know i would use it throughout the
2:24:55day I would use Siri i would use
2:24:57directions i would even pull up off the
2:24:59couple of times to like dude my
2:25:01two-factor authentication I had my
2:25:02screen on the brightest setting and then
2:25:05I go and play roller derby for two hours
2:25:07and I'd come back and take a shower with
2:25:09the thing on and look in my battery was
2:25:12still twenty percent at the end of the
2:25:13day and that like that has never
2:25:15happened to me in the history of Apple
2:25:17watch and especially it was it was
2:25:18extremely noticeable I war three watches
2:25:22on my wrists for about 48 hours straight
2:25:25where I had a series to a series 1 and a
2:25:27serious their hall
2:25:28it's just a test all the same thing to
2:25:31do . public like that i did but i had
2:25:33long sleeves but the only time I people
2:25:37actually saw it was when i was playing
2:25:38derby and I got a little a little bit of
2:25:40grief their holy shit you look like such
2:25:43you're actually doing actual work that
2:25:46is practically you know has practical
2:25:48effects for your readers but you just
2:25:49wait look I look like a jackass yeah I I
2:25:54tried to like hide it as much as
2:25:56possible but I did like I got some
2:25:58valuable information on 30 millimeter
2:26:00battery tests and that's
2:26:02I don't know I mean I maybe it's
2:26:04entirely sure that you not publish them
2:26:07tomorrow if you're coming tomorrow
2:26:09yeah i think this because I would have
2:26:10been terrible alright the show will
2:26:13probably come out tomorrow we will
2:26:14there we go yeah well send you the link
2:26:16is trying to get in the show notes that
2:26:21is good to hear that i feel and i feel
2:26:23like that's very practical i think one
2:26:24thing too is if I here faster cpu and
2:26:28i'm still thinking like in the old days
2:26:29where well the faster cpu the more power
2:26:32is going to consume whereas I think
2:26:34especially on a wearable it's actually
2:26:36the opposite where yeah but I should say
2:26:39right because you're you're looking at
2:26:41the screen last because you're not
2:26:42waiting as long and it's the screen
2:26:44that's wait burning way more power than
2:26:47the cpu so if you can raise your wrist
2:26:49see what you want to see and have and
2:26:52lower your wrist it's actually have a
2:26:53win on battery life
2:26:55oh yeah you know I never I never used
2:26:57raised to wake for siri 0 because I
2:27:00thought it was gonna just kill my
2:27:02battery life because I do enough like
2:27:04just stimulating with my hands that to
2:27:06have the screen randomly turn on and off
2:27:08I'm like that's just gonna drain my
2:27:09battery and I would ki kept it on the
2:27:11lowest brightness setting for an entire
2:27:13don't know 16 17 months because I just
2:27:16when it was on its brightest battery
2:27:17setting and raised awake I couldn't get
2:27:19past 3 p.m. with the with the watch so
2:27:22to be able to actually use the brightest
2:27:25battery settings or brightest setting
2:27:27you know I've i'm looking at my watch
2:27:29right now it's sixty percent at 540 p.m.
2:27:32eastern time after having gone on and on
2:27:35hour and 30 minute walk with gps-enabled
2:27:39minus 30 millimeter wasn't ninety-four
2:27:42percent but i haven't and I did not
2:27:44leave that like I've done nothing
2:27:48yeah battery life the brighter screen is
2:27:51a huge win for me I would look forward
2:27:53to your review but I just don't have
2:27:55much more to say them but I've already
2:27:56written it's it's way more about the OS
2:27:58than than the watch even know yet i have
2:28:01those good things to say about the new
2:28:02watch hardware it's it's clearly way
2:28:04more about the software
2:28:06yeah watch us three basically redirected
2:28:08the apple watch to a much smarter place
2:28:11and I don't think that siri 0 is garbage
2:28:13anymore you know it's still it's still
2:28:15quite usable especially
2:28:16with watch us three it's just if you're
2:28:1830 mate that thirty eight millimeter
2:28:20user I series 2 is $OPERAND is the the
2:28:24magic self that your you've been looking
2:28:26for for your Apple watch it just makes
2:28:28it usable well well that's good to hear
2:28:31i will put a link to that in everybody
2:28:33can get all the serenity Caldwell they
2:28:36want on Twitter her username is Saturn
2:28:40SE te RN and and all overworked a time
2:28:44or anything else you wanted to to give a
2:28:46shout-out to before we pull the plug my
2:28:48gosh I other than the apple watch review
2:28:51not too much thank you for having me
2:28:53John this always been defined as always
2:28:55it's always good to have you i wanted
2:28:57somebody who I know is used all this new
2:28:58stuff how about the airport we haven't
2:29:00talked about that do you guys know man
2:29:01units
2:29:02yes so Renee Renee officially got the
2:29:05airport so I only got to play with them
2:29:07in New York and he's been playing with
2:29:08them for the for the last two weeks but
2:29:10the the two days that i play with them i
2:29:12really like them they still don't quite
2:29:15fit in my ears but my ears have never
2:29:18liked air like I i feel like i'm
2:29:20probably $PERCENT of the minority there
2:29:22my my ears just have a tenant they're
2:29:25very small so they have a tendency to
2:29:27like spit out in earpods where they just
2:29:30out there just like no it wasn't a story
2:29:33it so it's just interesting to me that
2:29:34the airport's haven't shipped get there
2:29:36at least a couple weeks away but the
2:29:38beats one of the beach ones that uses
2:29:40the w1 is already shipping so you can
2:29:42let ya people have already bought it
2:29:44yeah you can you can start you can start
2:29:46to play with the with the nifty and
2:29:49apple pairing which I that that's pretty
2:29:52cool i use them so exclusively that I
2:29:55didn't even realize a 10-point a point
2:29:58to just came out and it fixes a weird
2:29:59bug where the the Lightning headphones
2:30:04lose the ability to play pause oh yeah I
2:30:07didn't I didn't catch that because I was
2:30:09I didn't catch it because I think I've i
2:30:11think i think i've been by highlighting
2:30:14your pods in like 4 30 seconds yep they
2:30:17work yet they sound the same back in the
2:30:19box
2:30:19yep it's like okay does just simple
2:30:22checks
2:30:22yeah I switched I really you haven't
2:30:25used anything but bluetooth headphones
2:30:27for the last six or seven month i'm here
2:30:29with it
2:30:30I can't wait for these airports to ship
2:30:31and for everybody to happen they're my
2:30:33favorite favorite thing of the year
2:30:34yeah I I'm gonna look into trying to
2:30:37someone suggested putting subaru on the
2:30:39outside to make them a little bit more
2:30:41pleasurably fitting to two people with
2:30:44weird ears and I'm like I might try that
2:30:46because i really love the concept of
2:30:48airports and I think that even
2:30:50especially on ladies actually I think
2:30:52they actually look pretty good in
2:30:53because they almost look like earrings
2:30:55no way like especially from far away you
2:30:58can't it doesn't it I my biggest fear
2:31:01was oh my god I'm gonna look like an
2:31:02obnoxious like GP dive gps bluetooth
2:31:06later earpiece for circuit 2001 and they
2:31:10you know there i'm not going to say that
2:31:12the most artistically designed things in
2:31:14the world in terms of like fashion
2:31:16forward but they do look much better
2:31:18than I thought they were going to and I
2:31:19feel like the the way that you can move
2:31:21them in your ears to kind of tilt the
2:31:23the end of the airpot and the microphone
2:31:26kind of up or down is really it looks it
2:31:29looks good and that the vocalization
2:31:31especially when something series super
2:31:34impressive in terms of how low you can
2:31:36speak and had still have Siri get your
2:31:38every word
2:31:38it works serie friend like three days i
2:31:40use the airport's serie worked better
2:31:43for me on the air pods then she's ever
2:31:45worked for me on the watch on the phone
2:31:47or in the car
2:31:49interesting I've dictated some pretty
2:31:51pretty complicated texts while you
2:31:54wearing a walking around the city and
2:31:55and it's pretty good yeah i'm really
2:32:00impressed i will say this to as of one
2:32:02last comment is wearing them now and it
2:32:04is the by far away i think it breaks the
2:32:07record of Apple watch of the Apple
2:32:11product that i've had pre-release access
2:32:13to that is generated random people on
2:32:16the streets and stores Philadelphia to
2:32:18ask me is that blank
2:32:2015like way back in $MONTH 2007 there
2:32:24were a lot of people who ask me why
2:32:25didn't have pre I don't have a
2:32:26pre-release iphone then but I bought one
2:32:28no one else did right and people would
2:32:31say is that an iphone is that the iphone
2:32:33in the Apple watch two years ago there
2:32:36was a lot of people especially like when
2:32:37I'd use the Apple pay that the clerk at
2:32:40no Whole Foods was the first place that
2:32:42we had that supported it every single
2:32:45time i did it they'd be like oh my god
2:32:47did you just pay with your watch that's
2:32:48amazing but with these headphones it
2:32:50it's like breaks the record I every
2:32:52every day it's almost like I don't want
2:32:54to wear out because people just stop me
2:32:56and say oh my god how do you are those
2:32:58the Apple things and I say yes and
2:33:00they're like how do you have that and
2:33:01it's it's like it always just say it's a
2:33:03long story really i do you like them and
2:33:07i said i love them i cannot wait for
2:33:09everybody else down but everybody it's
2:33:11amazing to me just as a sign of how much
2:33:13awareness regular people have just
2:33:16people running the register at the acme
2:33:19supermarket you know are totally aware
2:33:22of the fact that Apple is made is coming
2:33:25out with these wireless your pots
2:33:27yeah well it it's funny to me and I
2:33:30don't really watch a lot of local news
2:33:33very much anymore and I remember last
2:33:37year during the the text quote unquote
2:33:39tattoo gate story where I you know I had
2:33:43I happen to have a person who is
2:33:45tattooed that I used to like do tests on
2:33:47with the with the Apple watch to make
2:33:49sure that the Apple watch worked with
2:33:50tattoos and then 24 hours later because
2:33:53we were staying at my parents at the
2:33:54time that was on local news and that was
2:33:57on local news in the morning that was on
2:33:59local news in the afternoon that was on
2:34:01local news in the evening
2:34:03not necessarily my story but just the
2:34:05the idea of like does the apple watch
2:34:07work with tattoos will your wrists be
2:34:09safe and I don't I don't think I really
2:34:12realized until that moment and then
2:34:15until i started doing you know just semi
2:34:17like ranae and I occasionally do likes
2:34:20spots unlike CNBC and stuff and that
2:34:23realizing just how much the the notion
2:34:28of like apples dealings and and
2:34:30day-to-day stuff is affected and shown
2:34:33on local news and that everybody kind of
2:34:35knows what's going on it's it's still a
2:34:36little bit shocking at times I know it's
2:34:38a big deal i know Apple is a giant
2:34:40company and that millions and billions
2:34:42of people pay attention to them but it's
2:34:44it's it's so
2:34:46x hard too hard to remember that when
2:34:48you're in your little bubble writing
2:34:49about camera tests are like how a
2:34:52building zooms totally alright sorry
2:34:55thank you so much for your time thank
2:34:56you for being here what a great
2:34:58conversation like I said you can find
2:35:00her on twitter at set earn and Oliver
2:35:03work at I more thanks very much John
2:35:06yeah talk to you next time yeah
2:35:08definitely