The Talk Show

161: ‘Mumbles and Grunts’, With Special Guest John Moltz

 

  you wearing shoes I yeah Mr we re going out is through we have an outside day I [TS]

  I'm not wearing shoes I've done it with socks on in the wintertime I often do it [TS]

  with my slippers and I it's so ungodly hot here that I and we have air [TS]

  conditioning but it's it's like their conditioning is struggling to keep up [TS]

  its losing the battle we were down in Florida for some you know see some of [TS]

  the theme parks for a family vacation and the weather is is of course stifling [TS]

  hot and humid down in orlando florida and it is exactly exactly the same here [TS]

  in Philadelphia yeah well we always plan our our trip back east [TS]

  I'm to coincide with the worst possible whether so early August will be will be [TS]

  going will be going to baltimore and i'll call beautiful Baltimore is [TS]

  absolutely beautiful in August that the timing couldn't be better get just like [TS]

  you to give your sweat glands to a good you know yeah right it's like it's like [TS]

  Glenn you know it's like like when they when they get your car get service they [TS]

  put it up on the thing with the wheel spin and they you know put that you got [TS]

  it you got to put the gas all the way down [TS]

  that's what you know you'd just get it you know do that with your sweat glands [TS]

  yeah flush out all the toxins barefoot I'm absolutely Baron I got a lot of [TS]

  toxins so we can roll right is I one of the things I wanted to talk to you about [TS]

  really do a little parenting little parenting episode here of the talk show [TS]

  because I was catching up on podcasts and the ATP you guys were talking about [TS]

  a quote-unquote screen time [TS]

  mhm and made the the excellent . we don't we don't really talk about screen [TS]

  time here in our family either that it's [TS]

  as Syracuse's had a big long rant about it but basically it's no it's no fair [TS]

  just say screen time because it you know if the kids reading a book on an iPad [TS]

  realize that count his screen time I mean it's like yes things that you might [TS]

  want to limit like watching TV and YouTube and movies and playing video [TS]

  games right [TS]

  I don't think this is is Hank aware of that there are such things as video [TS]

  games you have played 12 jones played one or two [TS]

  Jonas has discovered them and he seen me play them [TS]

  I know that much i I don't know it is interesting no Amy and I I you know we [TS]

  don't really have like a hard and fast rule about it and I think if anything we [TS]

  are probably a little too lacks about yeah yeah we're probably we're probably [TS]

  much the same Jonas's of the personality that it you know he's very sociable he [TS]

  is but he would happily spend his entire summer and doing nothing but playing [TS]

  video games in our house right yeah yeah i mean in the tank would do that would [TS]

  you know would do the same and we usually when our thanks it's not so much [TS]

  screen time as it is like non screen time and there's a minimum right like [TS]

  you've got to figure out something to do that doesn't involve looking at the [TS]

  screen right right and so you know he doesn't know he plays chess we play [TS]

  chess with him he likes to cook [TS]

  we often have them in the kitchen to make dinner and lunch and stuff like [TS]

  that and so we do things like that but I mean yeah but like you said like a lot [TS]

  of the stuff he plays on it on his iPad or his iphone is like he'll play chess [TS]

  or his playing Words With Friends with family members and that stuff doesn't [TS]

  seem bad right [TS]

  I mean it's certainly no you know it's certainly way better than playing you [TS]

  know I can't even think I only place that he likes to still likes to play [TS]

  flappy bird and andy and you know he's much better at it than I am so you know [TS]

  he's developed he's developed serious flappy bird skills so that's good [TS]

  that'll sure that will work out well for him later in life [TS]

  one of the things that Amy and I struggle with and it is [TS]

  it is different from when you and I were kids because I would have had died while [TS]

  i like playing sports and Jonas doesn't so I would go out to play actual sports [TS]

  on and we had a community pool and in the small town where I grew up [TS]

  that was where everybody hung out and so we don't you know in the summer with [TS]

  every i would go to the pool every day just go to the pool [TS]

  Jonas doesn't really have anything like that here but the other thing that is [TS]

  different is that sometimes not all the time but not even most of the time but [TS]

  sometimes the games are actually sociable where his friends will you know [TS]

  text each other and say let's all play whatever and they everybody you know [TS]

  it's it seems like a very happy coincidence i mean maybe there's one for [TS]

  kidney is gangs got an xbox instead of a Playstation and I just don't know about [TS]

  it and he's like excluded but they all have playstation fours which I really [TS]

  don't remember when we got it that it was coordinated with his friends it [TS]

  seems like a happy coincidence but anyway they're all on these headsets in [TS]

  there yelling at each other and it's a lot like you know like having them over [TS]

  to the house you know the kids are in house except right the other people [TS]

  stinky kids aren't in my house so it's actually kind of great [TS]

  I but Amy and I don't really know you know how it does that is that it you [TS]

  know a little bit you know it seems it seems almost a wrong to to you know not [TS]

  to limit it but to say hey enough because it seems like that's what his [TS]

  friends want to do to play with each other [TS]

  mhm yeah which is kind of what we would have done like going out someplace right [TS]

  the doing something and i imagine i mean i would feel I would think that where [TS]

  you live [TS]

  I mean maybe he's getting old enough now but it's not exactly the kind of [TS]

  environment that she would just like let kids out the door and now we well I'm [TS]

  Amy and I differ on that a little bit i'm a little bit more willing to start [TS]

  letting him go out and about and amy is still of the beast 12 so yes Virginia [TS]

  her decline out that everybody knows how old my kids but he's 12 heading into [TS]

  seventh grade [TS]

  amy is still very overt not overprotective [TS]

  very protective and perhaps reason perhaps you know it to the point where I [TS]

  don't I don't you know I I I almost defer to her wisdom that you know but i [TS]

  still think though that I think the world's largest very different you and I [TS]

  grew up as like the last of the wild feral kids [TS]

  yeah I mean I but I just lived in a different environment too [TS]

  I mean as much more as much smaller town and lots of we had words in the backyard [TS]

  and we know trails leading in all directions and so we I mean we were just [TS]

  you know and I could go out the door anytime and just play in the woods or [TS]

  something we haven't playing in the woods was the thing that we did and we [TS]

  don't have that mean you know he may if he goes out to play in the woods here [TS]

  that's you know inhabited by almost people so it's not it's not the same [TS]

  we did he die we you know but it is important for him to do and we're kind [TS]

  of you know we're getting that I mean we've done with you know like he's got a [TS]

  friend who lives like three blocks away and we know we will let him walk over [TS]

  there anytime he wants to [TS]

  so he's you know you get he gets it he gets definitely do some of that and you [TS]

  know the other like a almost it was a fourth of July anyway was a few weeks [TS]

  ago and we had some friends over and like he had a buddy with you know with [TS]

  this other couple [TS]

  and in that they we were having dessert I think and we didn't we were out of [TS]

  like whipped cream and he loves to have like whipped cream on his ice cream so [TS]

  certainly not only in you know instead of complaining about want to walk over [TS]

  the convenience store and get in which is like four blocks from here [TS]

  don't you walk to the convenience store and go get something so the two of them [TS]

  just think we gave them like five bucks they walked out Doran and then you know [TS]

  they walked every morning and came back and and that's the canyon [TS]

  it's just find particularly now milady de winter stupidly when there's two of [TS]

  them [TS]

  I feel much better about it it seems ridiculous right that that's like a [TS]

  moment but I know exactly what you mean like we're actually at the exact same [TS]

  stage where it's like well I swear to god it was a couple months ago we gave [TS]

  Jonas a letter to drop in the mailbox and it was like are you sure we're like [TS]

  we're sure you'll be alright take your phone [TS]

  what I grow and hank was really young I mean he was three maybe I'm and I can't [TS]

  remember if it was a letter i think it was like a card or something that we [TS]

  have a breakup birthday card for the grandparents or something like that and [TS]

  he had sat down with Karen to sign it and like put in the envelope put a stamp [TS]

  on a dress and so they did that and then Karen kind of like turned her back and [TS]

  and intensely and then like minutes later support like worse or tank where [TS]

  the heck is Hank and we notice the front doors open and he just like grabbed the [TS]

  thing he knew where the mailboxes like three blocks away [TS]

  he said he was booked into the mailbox he was gonna mail that letter so that [TS]

  our it was like an assertion of independent well you know it's just I [TS]

  don't even think it was well sort of but i mean i think it was mostly just like [TS]

  he knew that was the next thing that needed to be done and he was gonna do it [TS]

  right you just going to take care of it and and this little you know little [TS]

  three-year-old was running up and down the street and this is long before he [TS]

  knew enough about crossing the street and and people can bomb through this [TS]

  neighborhood sometimes so you know naturally being the the the modern-day [TS]

  parents that we are we freaked out and chased after him like tackle them like a [TS]

  half a block away and brought it back for it [TS]

  idiots instead of like running up and saying okay let's go [TS]

  well thank you i got where are you going what's going on another thing at first [TS]

  we didn't realize what he was doing all we knew was that he was just like often [TS]

  running and then later I think we're like he was going to the mailbox and the [TS]

  other he had the letter [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs which we should have figured out but i think the panic of [TS]

  like nazi know that moment where you'd like you turn around the kids gone [TS]

  yeah and you're like oh my god on that parent I think that parent that was in [TS]

  the news for us a big part of it is definitely at least in my mind is [TS]

  honestly just the safety of crossing the street because yeah you know [TS]

  it cars go fast fast enough that you know it would kill you [TS]

  yeah yeah well here we have all these you know we have a mess of the [TS]

  intersections with no stop signs [TS]

  yeah that's a four-way you know it's like a four-way no stop and nobody knows [TS]

  how to deal with them i'm technically you're supposed to let the person we [TS]

  have you arrived at the same time the person to the right as the right away I [TS]

  didn't know that [TS]

  yeah but very few people know that and usually the way the what people think is [TS]

  the person who's going to fastest gets together like I I'm going faster than [TS]

  you i should get to go [TS]

  I grew up in the small town where a man I grew up was lots and lots of almost [TS]

  everything was a four-way stop and what I remember you know in the family years [TS]

  where I was driving age and living there was that hit that the procedure was it [TS]

  it's like what did you know living in suburbia full of very nice people is [TS]

  both drivers like wave to each other both of them wave saying you go you know [TS]

  you know yeah you go and then eventually want it there forever one of you gives [TS]

  up her after 30 seconds and then goes you know usually I was you both give up [TS]

  at the same time and then I start going and then then the whole process starts [TS]

  all over again right [TS]

  I like this idea and I bet you're right that makes total sense i want to know is [TS]

  if I ever learned that to pass the driver's test written exam i right [TS]

  gotten it that I had forgotten it for the longest time and in our first house [TS]

  here it didn't it didn't really matter because we were on a busy street and it [TS]

  was it would never stop signs all the way along at but then we moved to this [TS]

  house [TS]

  like 12 years ago yeah and since then I've had to learn about this smart guy [TS]

  what if what if it's two cars facing each other and they both want to make [TS]

  left and they give arrive at the same time though they both want to make less [TS]

  then go right now [TS]

  yes they can if they're both facing it there across the way they will want to [TS]

  make left so you can both do you mean they both want to go the same one month [TS]

  to make a left the other one speaker right let's go in the same Road [TS]

  yeah something like that yeah yeah that I'd that I think it's the person who [TS]

  wants to make a right who gets to go [TS]

  ah because the other person is turning across traffic and must yield I see what [TS]

  you mean yeah well but you're a good driver [TS]

  oh yeah I'm an awesome driver doesn't everybody say that but I don't [TS]

  it's always the other guy i know that there's no yeah that your license taken [TS]

  away a phenomenal number of people I i do it is true that if you'd like the [TS]

  gallup poll it's like do you think you're above average driver and it's [TS]

  it's like ninety percent of all people respond i would respond now I'm I'm [TS]

  terrible driver who is so who there is your who do you have any everybody has [TS]

  like someone that you ridicule and drivers from some other place that [TS]

  you're really cool is it doesn't massachusetts in Massachusetts drivers I [TS]

  think I roundly today a lousy drivers they are the worst we lived there for [TS]

  two years and we never never ceased being astounded by how bad [TS]

  massachusetts drivers are but here in philly you don't see Massachusetts [TS]

  drivers very often because they even if they tried to drive down here they would [TS]

  get in some kind of accident by the time they get their new york they never make [TS]

  it so you don't see Massachusetts license plates as far south on here its [TS]

  New Jersey drivers New Jersey drivers are left are the worst and it's and it's [TS]

  because New Jersey pretty much I mean I'm not gonna say nowhere but they they [TS]

  severely limit the number of places where you can make a left turn [TS]

  so everything is if you want to make a left if you're on like a like a one of [TS]

  those like a [TS]

  you know like a retail like all sorts of big-box stores and Stroh yeah place you [TS]

  want to go trip [TS]

  yeah the place you want to go on is on the left you've gotta like figure out [TS]

  whether it's before you gotta look for the sign where it'll tell you if you [TS]

  want to get over there make a right here and all of a sudden you're driving [TS]

  around people's houses and stuff and then you come back out and then you wait [TS]

  a light so that you don't have to make the left so New Jersey drivers are [TS]

  incapable of making a left turn winter it in a place where you can make a left [TS]

  turn like you could just see the panic in their faces this is to try to make a [TS]

  left turn [TS]

  who is it for years here it's a well it will things are our much pulp more [TS]

  polite out here then I mean I grew up on the East Coast so I feel like I'm a bit [TS]

  of an East Coast driver and but when and when I moved out here it was very [TS]

  surprising to me to learn much more polite ur way of driving because you let [TS]

  people merge and they wave to you after the merge and they wave thank you [TS]

  and seriously that had I think that happens less the longer that I'm been [TS]

  here maybe because of me but I'm but it did still it still happens i would say [TS]

  yeah we have time and I think as far as people who we consider bad drivers its [TS]

  its people from Canada because the driving the other side of the road [TS]

  hmm yeah i was going to say on its second i think actually that's just him [TS]

  and I think actually maybe it is people from Canada's because they are beyond [TS]

  their in someplace where they don't know i mean they're they're from out of town [TS]

  and they're panicking [TS]

  yeah now i hope it now have we offended so far in this show we've mended new [TS]

  jerseyans math errands children I still forget i lived there for many years and [TS]

  I still forget what you call people from Massachusetts [TS]

  massachusetts innocent it's not Massholes Massholes we've offended that [TS]

  was against those actually I one time it we are in Massachusetts and it seemed to [TS]

  us we really didn't see it did seem this way that the way people emerged in [TS]

  Massachusetts is they just get up to speed and hope that there's a slot [TS]

  yeah yeah and one time we were Amy saw this I didn't see it but she was behind [TS]

  this guy and she could see that there was a guy you know coming on the right [TS]

  on a ramp and he was keeping pace with the car in front of her and she could [TS]

  see that they were getting closer and closer and she was like who's gonna move [TS]

  is the you know is this guy in front of me going to get over to the passing lane [TS]

  and let this guy in is that going to speed up as you can instead they just [TS]

  slowly just bump doors light at each other and then put on your turn signals [TS]

  and then over to the side and and Amy but I think she started really think she [TS]

  stopped because she was like well I'm a witness maybe I should stop to and and [TS]

  it was like they were just like and nobody was mad at each other everybody's [TS]

  like well what are you gonna do and we're like any other thing was that [TS]

  there were no other cars on the road it was like it wasn't like busy traffic it [TS]

  was there like well we both did what we were supposed to do yeah they're like [TS]

  what's you know as well what you gonna do it was I also remember my commute to [TS]

  bare bones was about 25 minutes [TS]

  I and you know it was like flex time so i could I used to come in around ten in [TS]

  the morning at ten thirty or so to avoid traffic and I could it was you it was [TS]

  really a kind of a nice drivers just straight shot you could go at highway [TS]

  speed traffic was all over and in a winner every time I mean it was like all [TS]

  the time in in the what you call the the thing but the grass between the two [TS]

  directions the media median ya there would be SUVs in that you know that that [TS]

  like rolled over in the bad weather like it [TS]

  I've never see I you you think like one time maybe you'd see like an SUV on the [TS]

  side or something like that and and again it was like and and it never [TS]

  seemed like anybody was hurt there'd be people like standing and you know winter [TS]

  coats and their cellphones I well what you gonna do my my SUV flipped over [TS]

  yet people have no idea how to drive in the snow out here obviously at masters [TS]

  we don't get it [TS]

  people don't do it that often they get so much now i think that it was always [TS]

  SUVs I think it's this mentality where people think like an SUV is good in the [TS]

  snow because that's you know it's all terrain and four-wheel drive or whatever [TS]

  when in fact it's harder to driving so top-heavy yeah yeah yeah people don't I [TS]

  mean they don't they don't understand physics right from the fact that it's [TS]

  you know the heavier car is it's harder to stop [TS]

  yeah I can't wait for self-driving cars i'm aiive I wouldn't have a phobia I I [TS]

  think I you know but I I do i do feel like it's it's kind of terrifying how [TS]

  many people get killed in car accidents like if you just look at the statistics [TS]

  it really seems like something maybe we shouldn't do [TS]

  yeah and yeah i'm not sure i don't know [TS]

  yeah i mean i hope it works out let's put it that way just feel like I just [TS]

  feel like it's one of those things where is it will happen and then everybody's [TS]

  going to transition and then like the accident rates are going to plummet and [TS]

  we're going to look back at like you know the 7580 year . where everybody [TS]

  even in north america was driving themselves everywhere in getting killed [TS]

  as you like barbaric like what the hell man what the hell is that [TS]

  yeah we will be doing it i mean i guess that guy who was killed driving the [TS]

  Tesla what was sort of thinking that we were there already yeah yeah that's an [TS]

  interesting story he was one or not what you doing he was like watching Star Wars [TS]

  or Star Trek or something i think yeah I think that's right i think he was what I [TS]

  thought it was the star trek movie but i can't remember now I i mean i really [TS]

  hate to laugh I I you know it's a tragedy I mean it's the guys dead but it [TS]

  you know it really seems to me like if you I was going to trust that i would [TS]

  really you know that's where you know maybe you really read the manual and [TS]

  where it says [TS]

  very clearly hey this is like you still take your hands off the wheel right you [TS]

  just rest your hands on the wheel and be alert and you know ready to take over [TS]

  him in a moment [TS]

  well then i would think okay that's how I'll Drive you know it's dead it's sort [TS]

  of like cruise cruise control with turns and I it just seems ridiculous and it [TS]

  really it kind of makes me mad because it's like you know you know it's giving [TS]

  self-driving cars a bad name you know that there's got now there's a nut who [TS]

  got killed right I've seen the videos have you seen the videos of people like [TS]

  doing that I is you know like i know i've seen like YouTube videos for guys [TS]

  like it and it's always guys of course start the testing thing going and then [TS]

  they like climb into the backseat [TS]

  I'd it's it's crazy like just because you know i mean i get they know they're [TS]

  going to get a lot of YouTube but it's right right yeah but it's terrifying [TS]

  words worth risking your life right [TS]

  oh yeah I fear that one day that will be my kid [TS]

  yeah I wonder if our kids are gonna learn to drive [TS]

  I don't know you might because it's that self-driving stuff might not come soon [TS]

  enough but it doesn't seem like it's gonna come real soon but given that we [TS]

  live in a city i I don't know that Jonas would learn to drive anyway you know you [TS]

  know like a lot when i was in college i knew a couple of kids who grew up in [TS]

  Philadelphia and they didn't have to drive who didn't care and that and uber [TS]

  it just makes it even you know Maura [TS]

  tenable to not know how to drive yeah yeah I was it I was interested to see we [TS]

  have some friends you whose kids were actually now that I think they're in [TS]

  college but when I some like a year and a half ago they were just they were [TS]

  sobering every man they were basically just been there are high school and they [TS]

  were calling a bluebird left and right yeah that's definitely definitely much [TS]

  more likely to to do with the younger you are I guess I'm gonna take a break [TS]

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  you want to do with a recommendation yeah I would love a recommendation and [TS]

  I'm like I said well I'm not listening to inaudible right now but it is [TS]

  available inaudible that's a Leviathan wakes is a science fiction book and it's [TS]

  part of the expanse series that has is being made into sci-fi show of which is [TS]

  really good so I just read a book on vacation [TS]

  it's and you know i guess i could recommend it it's called trigger mortis [TS]

  it's a james bond novel written by yeah Anthony Horowitz and it's that's corny [TS]

  and I mean like they keep reading you know hang out you know they keep writing [TS]

  these James Bond novels you know you even Fleming has been dead like I think [TS]

  like 50 50 years I but this one's cool that's it set it's not like set in [TS]

  modern days it's at like two weeks after the end of goldfinger and like bond is [TS]

  still bouncing around with the Pussy Galore at the beginning of the book huh [TS]

  that's cool yeah I i enjoyed it so I mean there's one you don't go listen to [TS]

  that inaudible hey i saw story want to know if you saw this was on the verge [TS]

  about a week ago by dieter bohn and that the the headline is google is making [TS]

  better apps for the iPhone then for android and it's talking about things [TS]

  like motion stills if you ever seen that app that's the app where you can take [TS]

  your live photos and kind of smooth them out and and you know it smooths out the [TS]

  motion no and and let you do things like tournament animated gifts and videos [TS]

  yeah I keep meaning to hear that and I haven't I have not gotten that yet [TS]

  it's a really really good app and I i actually haven't I don't know i don't i [TS]

  don't have iOS 10 installed on my phone yet i have it on my iPad but I don't [TS]

  think Apple did anything with live pictures in iOS yeah like I kind of I [TS]

  really feel like it's like they're filling out this app is filling in [TS]

  something that should be built into iOS which is Bernie's live photos which I [TS]

  still think are great a great feature i tend to keep it on all the time because [TS]

  my phone has plenty of space [TS]

  and why not capture more info [TS]

  it's I don't you know the only reason I can think of not to use life if pictures [TS]

  if you're worried about the extra space that they take up but it's so much you [TS]

  will find that annoying some people find the image moving annoying but i think i [TS]

  think you're right it's probably mostly a sign of space issue [TS]

  yeah but it's just so it's so curious to me that they didn't come up with a way [TS]

  to share them as you know I don't know if they do gifts but you know it seems a [TS]

  little beneath Apple but it's you know but it you know the magic of animated [TS]

  gifts is still can't believe we're using these things I mean who would have [TS]

  thought give the gift of the image format would make a comeback 256 colors [TS]

  but being able to share them is a standard interview that you could post [TS]

  isn't it basically is it not basically just a series of you know it's like had [TS]

  what you whatever the you know the way they used to make movies it's just a [TS]

  series of area stills now it's not it's it's one [TS]

  hi res full you know the full resolution that you have your camera set to shoot [TS]

  at a still jpg and it's like a sidecar movie fuck . mov file know you're [TS]

  talking about I'm talking about tomato animated gifs yes animated gifs you are [TS]

  just yes they're just it's it animated gifts image format is just take a bunch [TS]

  of stills and right and each one has a it's like a flip it like a flipbook yeah [TS]

  and you can set each because I remember as a web developer oh my god what was [TS]

  that table eyes remember that HAP oh yeah it you needed it because it was [TS]

  like he'd you know it it would it would crush them down to like the minimum size [TS]

  and it would gather the colors in a really pleasing way and you know get get [TS]

  it down to like six bytes or whatever Sixkiller button [TS]

  and you can also set that the format it's it's actually kind of a nice format [TS]

  except for the the you know there are nice in terms of being easily [TS]

  understandable not nice and being high fidelity but i think that each frame can [TS]

  have its own color palette it's not like one color palette of 256 colors for the [TS]

  entire location [TS]

  I think that heat went out can do that and you can also set how long the [TS]

  duration of each frame so you can do things like States show this frame for [TS]

  one second this frame for one second that show this frame for three seconds [TS]

  right i think five recall correctly I think no I think that's I think that's [TS]

  correct because I long long ago I made some by hand and I don't remember why [TS]

  but I'm and I don't life she can't remember what it was in $YEAR i think [TS]

  maybe it was back my hand and copy of Photoshop which you don't have anymore [TS]

  but I think you're I think that's correct but I am when I link to it [TS]

  I the emotion the most Google's motion still zap i laughed and made a point of [TS]

  saying look at the comments because the comments are all from these people with [TS]

  android phone saying come on google this is ridiculous i can't believe you did [TS]

  this for iphone android even though android doesn't have doesn't have like [TS]

  the don't have that right and then somebody pointed that out and then [TS]

  somebody else said well there's one there's one HTC phone that the day you [TS]

  know they obviously can't call it live photos but they have it has the same [TS]

  steno same basic feature something so i don't like 3,000 android phones there's [TS]

  one that has it [TS]

  ah but there's other apps to that people are talking about you know that there's [TS]

  you know just I and there's any links to it here its there's a previous article [TS]

  from a about some other guy named ben popper at the verge is you know whole [TS]

  holy invested in the Google ecosystem but uses iOS and that he stated that [TS]

  their apps are so good that they you know he sees no reason to switch to [TS]

  android that he you know [TS]

  does email with the inbox app google calendar app [TS]

  oh the other 12 is the google there's the google g board keyboard that a lot [TS]

  of people think it's like the best third-party keyboard for iOS alright [TS]

  yeah yeah and it has some cool features some of them are coming in iOS 10 like [TS]

  the ability to type words and get the emoji you know suggestions right you [TS]

  know like if you tighten coffee and maybe you'll get that you know one of [TS]

  the suggestions will be the coffee emoji but there is another one that's another [TS]

  one to wear wear when google announced google g board thing the comments were [TS]

  half people saying this is great and half android users complain how can you [TS]

  make this for iOS and not for android I don't cares what you think about that [TS]

  and why do you think it might be that that Google does seemingly you know at [TS]

  least as good or as popular their apps are on iOS you know with what it seems [TS]

  ok well i don't know if it's still the case because i haven't seen the numbers [TS]

  recently but for a long time they were making more money off of iOS then they [TS]

  were off of Android M advertising [TS]

  yeah I believe that dollars right so it would make more sense that invest more [TS]

  in the platform that's making more money regardless of what I made it or not i [TS]

  think part of it is just the nature of google itself that google is to me and [TS]

  and maybe i'm wrong but it's it seems to me that google is sort of a federation [TS]

  of many many products and teams and doesn't really have a single unifying [TS]

  you know this is the main thing that we do you know like right it is the nature [TS]

  of it at Apple the main thing that the company does is they sell devices like [TS]

  iPhones and iPads and macbooks that's the main thing that they do and [TS]

  everything fundamentally [TS]

  it certainly at some level really comes down to how do we you know keep making [TS]

  these devices and selling them at a profit and microsoft microsoft is [TS]

  definitely changing [TS]

  I think under what's the new CEOs name [TS]

  satya nadella definitely changing but under gates and ballmer they were the [TS]

  windows company fundamentally and everything was about windows and I think [TS]

  I think it's like the to see this is wow this is kind of amazing you know [TS]

  interesting amazing that Google does such a good job with iOS apps is your [TS]

  kind of yeah I think you have to look at google like sort of through Microsoft [TS]

  tinted glasses that wide why isn't why isn't google treating android the way [TS]

  Microsoft treated windows in its heyday as like now you know the shining star [TS]

  and let's put our exploits that's do anything cool that we come up with let's [TS]

  make sure it's you know it's on Android first and i don't think it works like [TS]

  that because i don't think there's any I don't think there's any it reason for [TS]

  Google to be to be like that [TS]

  yeah it's not i mean i wouldn't call it like skunk works but it's kind of living [TS]

  there their philosophy as much more open to seemingly to have been having these [TS]

  like side projects and then you know that turns into something yeah we'll [TS]

  we'll do something with it which it you know i think you know it was the kind of [TS]

  thing that did not work at Apple back in the nineties they were you know they [TS]

  were running around and people working on the side projects than that they were [TS]

  that we're going nowhere but they seem to do much better with it and I wondered [TS]

  to it always is and I don't know how you get this information but it'd be so [TS]

  interesting to know i would love to know like how many like what percentage of [TS]

  google employees you know use like iphones instead of android phones [TS]

  yeah my guess it always has been that it's pretty high and you know I don't [TS]

  know a lot of people who work at Google I'm not sure off the top of my head if I [TS]

  know anybody works right now but a couple East you know within the last few [TS]

  years I knew some people who live there are network there and once I knew had [TS]

  iphones and I don't think that there is there's no stigma meters to it [TS]

  yeah I don't think so I mean [TS]

  I mean that people that I knew where we were around [TS]

  well no one was a software engineer on the other one was some more like in the [TS]

  design stuff [TS]

  yeah so yeah I mean I wouldn't that doesn't seem like that is you know I'm [TS]

  like that that we don't think that Microsoft famously did with a head like [TS]

  yeah whatever they had like again you're supposed to throw your iPhone's and [TS]

  people like a garbage can or something i don't think that too many people [TS]

  actually did it but remember when here it might want to switch the windows fun [TS]

  remember when they had the funeral for the iphone yeah you know that that might [TS]

  have been that might have been the lowest point and the whole bomber era [TS]

  the yeah the parade that they had for the funeral for the iPhone because it [TS]

  was so laughably not based in reality you know like there wasn't it didn't [TS]

  feel like hmm maybe you know maybe windows phone is gonna take this on [TS]

  like I I never really thought so but let's just like three years ago or so [TS]

  like 2013 you know was a rough year for apple's stock and their water a lot of [TS]

  people who seem to think at the time that Android was about to overwhelm iOS [TS]

  right like the whole this is exactly like Windows and Mac from the nineties [TS]

  again and you know I I think you can go back and read you know daring fireball [TS]

  from that era and you could see that I didn't really think that was happening [TS]

  but it seemed like it was at least possible like I'd I never thought it was [TS]

  going to happen but I didn't see it as like an impossibility I saw it is it [TS]

  doesn't seem it seems to me like too many things are different here and that [TS]

  you know one thing would be that you know that Apple's even if they only have [TS]

  fifteen percent of the market that's a heck of a lot different than the two [TS]

  percent of the up-market they had in the nineties and and etcetera etcetera go on [TS]

  and on there's all sorts of other differences but it seemed like maybe but [TS]

  the Windows Windows Phone burying the iphone didn't even seem like a [TS]

  possibility like he it and you can see you can see how from their perspective I [TS]

  mean you could that they wanted to believe that and they needed to believe [TS]

  that in order to you [TS]

  keep going and also to try and make it a to have that sort of confidence work as [TS]

  a marketing tool and but the thing that it might be you remember these these [TS]

  analysts predictions [TS]

  yeah that came out around boy was it like 2013 2012 to his name is a little [TS]

  bit earlier than that saying that they did some of these analysts are [TS]

  predicting that we know windows phone was gonna was gonna beat android yes now [TS]

  that was earlier that was a little odd [TS]

  yeah that was that I mean like how could you even it was just like there was just [TS]

  the simple belief that Microsoft being microsoft would come out on top somehow [TS]

  one of your in my shared a preoccupations is it is with the world [TS]

  of analysts and the magic way that somebody who if they're accepted as an [TS]

  analyst if that is like the title that you know something something analyst if [TS]

  that's the title when they go on CNBC that whatever they say is there you know [TS]

  taken as well we can publish this is news you know that this is this is [TS]

  something worth you know worth reporting [TS]

  when in fact it's off sometimes it might be there are some analysts who are [TS]

  incredibly smart and astute and and rigorous in their research and and in [TS]

  the evidence that they showed back up their claims and then there are others [TS]

  who just make stuff up and I remember that the that the windows phone is going [TS]

  to you know surpass android and you know be like the number one operating system [TS]

  by 2014 or 2015 it must have been a couple years earlier next I know we've [TS]

  already said yes so this the prediction was in the link may of 2011 yeah alright [TS]

  you gotta come on give it to me finish I was it was yeah it was pyramid research [TS]

  is still a broken and she said that [TS]

  bye 2013 windows home was poised overtaking androids massive market share [TS]

  in two years oh my god because somebody else said had predicted it would be to a [TS]

  weary 2015 when when it over to and she said no now it's gonna be two years [TS]

  earlier than that it's gonna happen fast [TS]

  you know I remember I looked her up again later and she's not with pyramid [TS]

  research anymore but she still is she still says she's still working in the [TS]

  industry [TS]

  I not a not a debilitating it not a career-ending move [TS]

  I wonder what what phones people using Microsoft now today to that's an [TS]

  interesting question because they really are [TS]

  it seems to me very clear that they are slowly winding down the whole windows [TS]

  phone thing [TS]

  mhm like i'm not i don't know that they're going to quite give up on it too [TS]

  completely but it just seems like they don't even don't even trying anymore [TS]

  yeah i mean you don't hear about it at all it just seems to me like if you were [TS]

  good company person and bought a windows phone like you're just a left out of so [TS]

  many things right [TS]

  yeah no pokemon go for you i'm going to say yeah there's no pokemon go right [TS]

  right [TS]

  it's I just can't help it into their mostly iphones I really do and you know [TS]

  kind of such a weird thing for Microsoft I don't think it's so weird for google [TS]

  but it's weird for microsoft will they but they I mean at least they have their [TS]

  philosophy has changed to the degree that they don't have that windows only [TS]

  mentality anymore so right they are making and they're making some good apps [TS]

  for multiple platforms so I mean I still like office but i have to use it [TS]

  sometimes every user for iOS yeah yeah actually you know I mostly for my kid [TS]

  when he needs to do because they get a license for free through school so often [TS]

  he's got an ipad that he will look great reports on well with you know with [TS]

  attached keyboard and and doing doing word and they were being a big [TS]

  presentations in PowerPoint and stuff like that said I i I'm I'll often helped [TS]

  him out with that stuff my kids school is google docs cool okay [TS]

  that's such garbage I mean it makes it makes me wish it makes me wish for [TS]

  microsoft office [TS]

  it's aight i really do they use chrome books they they have some in some of the [TS]

  classrooms they do have some that which makes total sense as a google doc school [TS]

  you know I think I guess maybe most of that I guess most of the devices the [TS]

  kids have access to our Chromebooks yeah it makes I mean you know i would rather [TS]

  have a macbook any day but you know you are friends at math often will sell [TS]

  refurbished Chromebooks and they're so crazy cheap it's um I keep I had often [TS]

  think i should get one just to just for the play around with the other than I [TS]

  think even I like even a hundred and seventy five dollars is too much too i [TS]

  don't know i know i dive i do that like every two years or so i buy an android [TS]

  phone [TS]

  yeah and I wish I would have got the nexus 6 and today i got the motorola [TS]

  wood chipper or whatever it's called the one it's got a its like the Moto X or [TS]

  something like that but it's it you can get like a custom finish on the back so [TS]

  I i got the bamboo no seriously it's really made at my this fight in my hand [TS]

  right now it's made out of wood which is interesting but it's it's so not a nice [TS]

  phone i saw a guy WTC my friend chad from MLB has two phones is iphone any [TS]

  added android is to test the MLB stuff on android too and he is a nexus 6 it's [TS]

  really nice it's a you know it's much thinner than that this mobile thing but [TS]

  anyway I don't see it as a waste of money I feel like it's it's a way to [TS]

  stay around I'm fearful of not knowing it and i have to say i am pretty I've [TS]

  never really used a Chromebook kind of feel like I should I should spend 200 [TS]

  bucks and get 1 i'll keep an eye on math because you think you can get a refurb [TS]

  for real cheap and ISO media from schools perspective that makes complete [TS]

  sense [TS]

  yeah i mean if you gotta get something that in the kids are basically just [TS]

  going to do write reports and and look things up and you don't want them [TS]

  playing games [TS]

  yeah for the most part so those devices are perfect I mean it's kind of like [TS]

  that's all [TS]

  most you remember that that whole olpc thing [TS]

  yes yeah it's really succeeded at that where that did not didn't seem to really [TS]

  get much traction [TS]

  yeah what was that one laptop per child [TS]

  yeah yeah and it was just you know it was he was just a piece of garbage [TS]

  whereas but maybe you know I think a big part of that was it's not the google has [TS]

  any kind of magic I think it's just Moore's law you know em like it [TS]

  Moore's Law is famously you know sort of come to an end at the high end where you [TS]

  know that clock rate on high-end cpus isn't really getting faster and you know [TS]

  there's only so much that adding more chips to paralyze can really improve but [TS]

  at the low end it continues to march on we're better and better hardware is [TS]

  available at cheaper and cheaper prices [TS]

  yeah i think the one thing that you know what you're gonna get you're gonna get [TS]

  yourself a samsung spin know how I don't thinks I don't think so did you like [TS]

  that your that's a bridge too far [TS]

  I that's if we can hold that topic that's an interesting topic but yeah the [TS]

  chrome books for school I i do see this and you know I I'd Jonas says that the [TS]

  ones that they have a terrible and it you know they're everybody hates them [TS]

  but I see the way kids treat stuff in school and they don't really treat it [TS]

  with respect like apple doesn't really make a device that's good for school to [TS]

  buy i mean if if the cheapest thing you can get is an 8 99 macbook air that's a [TS]

  pretty expensive thing that kids are gonna you know bang around and drop and [TS]

  and stuff like that like I think you know the idea that they're headed [TS]

  no two hundred dollars is not disposable and I'm sure that everybody works in any [TS]

  kind of school is gonna you know so yeah 200 bucks is you know you know I know [TS]

  budgets are tight it schools everywhere but [TS]

  you know it just makes a lot more sense yeah [TS]

  down boy google docs though it's I I find I don't even understand i honestly [TS]

  I don't understand the UI I really don't it'sit's just just doesn't work for me [TS]

  when I mean it seems like it's let you know very reminiscent of those open [TS]

  source office [TS]

  yes yeah that's what is how exactly how I would describe it [TS]

  yeah and I I don't use it much every night when i'm on the they use it like [TS]

  in the incomparable to do scheduling endurance and some instant sharing of [TS]

  like the topics for podcasts so when I clockwise my ways that's the that's the [TS]

  only time i ever have to use it is because Jason uses google like [TS]

  spreadsheet to yeah you know you're supposed to log in and put your what [TS]

  your topic is for clockwise [TS]

  oh my god that's the only time I ever ok we have to do it like that I don't do I [TS]

  mean let's face it i'm hoping he doesn't listen to this [TS]

  I i think that you know she would agree I'd I don't do much of the parenting she [TS]

  does a lot more the parenting and then idea and with stuff like dealing with [TS]

  the school I I'd really do none of it but it's like every once in a while when [TS]

  there's some kind of shared you know parents are involved or are a perfect [TS]

  example BTW a teacher conferences parent teacher conferences you got to get into [TS]

  google docs though and like sign up for a time and it it's so so bad but I [TS]

  understand why they do it though because it is a you know it it works as a shared [TS]

  spreadsheet where you're not going to run into a race condition where three [TS]

  people signed up at for the 1pm teacher conference right like as i type john and [TS]

  aimee and the 1 p.m. slot anybody else is in there would see it see those [TS]

  letters showing up so I understand that I understand the utility of it is why [TS]

  people don't please don't write in and tell me that that's why you that I [TS]

  totally get it as as a shared resource it is you know it it works [TS]

  there's no syncing collision but as somebody who cares about the interface [TS]

  boy it's a nightmare [TS]

  so the other fact we were talking about Google's iOS apps and how popular they [TS]

  are and how people who are in the Google ecosystem with their data [TS]

  well this is pretty good segue feel perfectly at home using an iphone [TS]

  instead of android phone any other flip side of that is why i don't use any of [TS]

  those apps other than the motion stills1 which just because of the utility to [TS]

  share the the life photos as are our good friend Jason's now pointed out like [TS]

  a month or so ago that googles apps are sort of he compared to Microsoft of like [TS]

  the late nineties where their mac app started looking like the windows app and [TS]

  in fact i think they even went to some kind of a shared code system for some [TS]

  things you know where they were sort of a cross-platform you know look and feel [TS]

  type type stuff in office apps and googles apps for all that's one reason i [TS]

  don't use them is that they there then of them look like iOS apps they all look [TS]

  like android apps so there is that [TS]

  yeah like if there's one thing it seems to me like Google institutionally isn't [TS]

  really all that committed to android it it android might as well be a completely [TS]

  separate company except what the one thing google is committed to [TS]

  company-wide is the material design look and feel whether they're doing stuff for [TS]

  the web or iOS or Android they're committed to that style of UI design [TS]

  that's where they have like a commitment and that you know annoys me [TS]

  yeah what about you use it use any google apps [TS]

  everyone still use the gmail app but i'm trying to think I like i said i want to [TS]

  i want to get that one that the one that makes the animated gifts but I haven't [TS]

  gotten around to it and cash bank mostly my son mostly uses a music he's got a [TS]

  gmail account for email and he mostly uses the google and for that huh [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  yeah i think it's it's just it seems easier if you have a gmail account [TS]

  it feels much more straightforward than trying to to get it through mail [TS]

  yeah I what do you use for email and Iowa I'm by mostly use mail [TS]

  I almost like ninety-nine percent just use me every once in awhile if certain [TS]

  fails me then I i used gmail or something and I tried a number of those [TS]

  other applications but you know that you you seem to always get I've been burned [TS]

  too many times right i mean because sparrow and whatever the other one was [TS]

  yeah forgot the one that was like the online you could consolidate all your [TS]

  inboxes are actually has a name that one they both got bought right yeah and went [TS]

  away the only one I've seen that really temp mate tempted me and i still have it [TS]

  here is called spark different diversity that one no it's because to me it's it [TS]

  that the thing that's nice about spark is that it looks like an an iOS app it [TS]

  looks like a very you know very nice [TS]

  I output in the show notes i think it's from raddle the people who make it are [TS]

  known for like making PDF utilities [TS]

  mm-hmm but if you just take a look at the screenshots of spark of for iphone [TS]

  you can see that it's like oh yes that looks like a that looks like a nice iOS [TS]

  app and here's a new story i just googled here so i logged in and they've [TS]

  been acquired its parts been canceled knows bark email I distance from eight [TS]

  hours ago there's breaking news dissident bizarre coincidence that [TS]

  some kind of thing where people if you're using it with your iCloud email [TS]

  you have to relog in for security reasons and it made people panic and [TS]

  think that maybe spark it got hacked or something that's that's not true there [TS]

  is no hack but it's the day they switch something on your server side at AWS and [TS]

  that made apple or I club freaked out and therefore just say hey everybody you [TS]

  know you got a real log in any way to good app if you're dissatisfied with [TS]

  male highly highly recommend you take a look at it because it's a really good [TS]

  iOS app but the thing for me is I I like male I really especially on iOS i just [TS]

  $FULLPHONENUM it you know works very well for me for email i understand [TS]

  people can be very picky about their email but for me may I was is pretty [TS]

  good [TS]

  anything my mind needs are not complicated particularly truth be told I [TS]

  don't even read most of my email so really abimael works just behind that [TS]

  delete the we believe Merlyn listens to the show I don't know I think I don't I [TS]

  it's too late now so I i don't think i'll ever use it but uh when Merlin had [TS]

  the inbox zero thing [TS]

  yeah I I thought about making a parody i think i still own the domain [TS]

  how is going to make a parody and it was called select all delete and it was [TS]

  going to go into is good the server-side the detailed my patented email [TS]

  management system for keeping your your inbox empty might mean that by step I [TS]

  everyone mad my inbox management is to simply not delete anything every single [TS]

  step of the process would be given an exquisite detail and the URL is select [TS]

  all delete . com yeah yeah I think I think my inbox is up to 6,000 right now [TS]

  and they're all red but they just don't go anywhere [TS]

  i I'm not going to mention the name of this developer because it's it would be [TS]

  uncool but a couple years ago we were at WWDC and I was with the cable sasser of [TS]

  panic and we are talking about this this other developer had some very popular [TS]

  apps and cable had just run into him the day before and after WC he was going to [TS]

  go on like a six-week hiking trip through New Zealand something like that [TS]

  it sounded like a you know if you want to be by herself as a computer you know [TS]

  somewhere beautiful six weeks all hiking and cable was under the impression that [TS]

  he was like a one-man show this other guy you know he was like oh i thought [TS]

  you know dude you hire people music now because what we're going to do for [TS]

  technical support and he just looked at him funny just said select all bleep if [TS]

  he's just going to delete every male he might have even might have invented it [TS]

  does i forget the details but is that he was dead serious wasn't joking didn't [TS]

  see anything unusual apart you know interesting about that he might have [TS]

  even set up like an auto you know like he just set up a filter that just throw [TS]

  everything in it you know he went and he wasn't sending out like an automated [TS]

  didn't set up anything that say like I'm going to be away for six weeks get back [TS]

  to that he just deleted [TS]

  yeah i mean i see the icd the appeal and they see you know as a as someone else [TS]

  is like the only person in my business right [TS]

  Oh like I i just i don't take I don't never take a complete vacation that is [TS]

  true that very tragically writing where you know if I'm on our final-final [TS]

  vacation I'm still writing the bare minimum that I have to get by I'll [TS]

  reduce it but i din din often i'll stop podcasting yeah take a break from [TS]

  podcasts but but i still have to write something I don't know why I'd it [TS]

  mentally i find it i find it hard to do a podcast when i'm not at home like I [TS]

  don't know why I like to do is pack microphone you know and there's you know [TS]

  I don't need like I've got this fancy one hanging on a you know bendable arm [TS]

  here at my desk here [TS]

  but I don't you know you don't need a podcast you just use like it any you [TS]

  know you go on Frank 15 bucks i have one even have a portable one but it's like [TS]

  so old that it uses remember the before microUSB there was like a mini USB mhm [TS]

  and I don't ya take it it takes a mini-usb but many USB is so outdated [TS]

  that I can't find a cable for i'm sure i have one somewhere in my closet there's [TS]

  you know but it's like at this point my last used mini USB cables so far down [TS]

  the stack of cables that I doesn't seem worth looking up but mentally I don't [TS]

  know how to find it a difficult i've done it [TS]

  remember the one of it did the episode with the am Benjamin with the boats [TS]

  going off [TS]

  ok that's a doctor was like yeah you like dialed in right yeah you're just [TS]

  doing it from your phone [TS]

  no I think I think I around I don't think going to do it out of like you're [TS]

  just doing it for my mind if I forget I did it it was it was low fidelity and [TS]

  their boats and the doc it was actually kind of fun but i don't know i find it [TS]

  oh yeah I way i know john and john armstrong it's it's you know turning [TS]

  this car around he's pretty particular about about sound like i can imagine i [TS]

  just had generated every time I think about like I could just take my little [TS]

  microphone and then they go [TS]

  he's not gonna like that I just . john was in philly six weeks ago or something [TS]

  like that maybe longer [TS]

  I don't know but sometime within the last two months and and Amy and I went [TS]

  out with them and and is you know we have known for you obviously know better [TS]

  but I can definitely imagine it [TS]

  he's a little tightly wound about something he's we're all obsessives I [TS]

  mean all of us are obsessed over some things baby when he gets obsessed about [TS]

  something it's like after yeah it and i think it you know I think it's good [TS]

  really making me makes it right sound better actually make makes the show [TS]

  center so and it's bled over into other show I mean I've spent more I've spent [TS]

  more on equipment and it's been a lot but I spent a little bit more and I've [TS]

  also like Ben I mean like I'm i'm recording on two machines right now [TS]

  class of problems we've had in the past [TS]

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  what else is going on [TS]

  pokemon go yeah have you have you told him I went I i did not have not played [TS]

  Jonas is a totally it as expected totally into it and so I had him explain [TS]

  it to me and he showed it to me and I felt like that was good enough for me [TS]

  yeah you have played we have played so it's it's a thing we've been involved in [TS]

  the household and you know I could have said numerous different places but it [TS]

  was it's been great because he's you know I mean often a kid doesn't want to [TS]

  go for a walk right like getting off the couch and again going on run tying your [TS]

  previous covered in this time yeah right and this now he's just like you wanna go [TS]

  Yusei gonna go look for some pokemon is let's go and at my experience you know I [TS]

  haven't gone out and try to do it like midnight but I walking around in town [TS]

  and going to places has been it has been fun and seeing other people and and very [TS]

  social [TS]

  everybody's been most everybody's been nice [TS]

  we were walking walking along the waterfront with some friends in looking [TS]

  for pokemon and a whole bunch of other people are doing the same and they had [TS]

  you know it's like a jeep SUV drove by and this girl leaned out the window and [TS]

  yelled no it's so you know not everybody's nice but for the most part [TS]

  everybody's been very pleasant to deal with which has been great i don't think [TS]

  that we've run into anybody else who's playing are you know we were doing it [TS]

  where I said we're down at the disney world and we're playing there which was [TS]

  fun but we didn't run into other people who replied [TS]

  interesting I mean we because we have I mean a pretty much every to the one day [TS]

  we walked out one time early on and just like walk around the house and obviously [TS]

  we didn't run any we didn't run anybody then but every time we've gone to like a [TS]

  place like even just like going to the shopping districts district that's like [TS]

  six blocks from here there were at least two other groups of people who were [TS]

  playing the game mm that's amazing it's it's unbelievable how quickly it's taken [TS]

  off my is just that it's astounding so there's a previous game was called [TS]

  ingress is that what it was called [TS]

  I don't know address [TS]

  yeah it's not even i had the same company [TS]

  ing ress and that was all that was also made by niantic yes and it's the same [TS]

  i'm not gonna say it's exactly the same but it's you know it's sort of like [TS]

  pokemon go one point out you know this is like the to point out it's got the [TS]

  same sort of thing where you can level up and and stuff like that and you you [TS]

  know this same basic idea if you push thing on the show I would say that I [TS]

  never do it i'd heard of it vague leaves and a couple of daring fireball readers [TS]

  have you know emailed me after I wrote about pokemon go and said that they you [TS]

  know they were really into ingress and said that it's you know it's really [TS]

  interesting story it used to be owned by Google the company this niantic and then [TS]

  they got spun off for reasons that are unclear to me and but it's the same [TS]

  basic idea and it's like you walk around staring at your phone [TS]

  well I walked in anything yet although we where I didn't always somebody in the [TS]

  parking lot how I just walk it well I was walking through the parking lot not [TS]

  paying attention and suddenly I realize there's a car behind me and I was like [TS]

  oh ok together way I i think it's so interesting now and I know that so i [TS]

  know that my antec is the company that developed it and that it's based on our [TS]

  previous game ingress but it is you know it's a nintendo that has the you know [TS]

  video game right Iman and so I do think it's still even if Nintendo didn't [TS]

  actually develop the app you know they they produced it it's you know I think [TS]

  that they you know it's worth talking about Nintendo and mobile games again [TS]

  and this is you know I don't want to say i was now i do want to say that I was [TS]

  right but but this is its exact it's exactly the sort of thing though that I [TS]

  thought I've thought nintendo should do for mobile phones for years with ya is [TS]

  not port and every time when it when this came up a couple years ago and I or [TS]

  at least came up for me and I was a back-and-forth with a few other people [TS]

  on other blogs [TS]

  it's like I feel like the black hole that discussion keeps getting kept [TS]

  getting sucked down to was that des games are terrible without a real d-pad [TS]

  and buttons and i agree with that I totally see you know that by mario kart [TS]

  you know unless you somehow did you know you'd have to have different controls [TS]

  you have to have like motion controls or something [TS]

  yeah and that other games like platformers or something like that are [TS]

  never as good with a fake the fake d-pad on a a non-iphone and so that's not my [TS]

  argument of my argument isn't that they should get rid of the d/s and pour all [TS]

  their des games to a touchscreen it's you know will come up with new game [TS]

  ideas that work on a touchscreen and do the end is pokemon go thing is like [TS]

  couldn't be more exactly what i was thinking that they should do and do [TS]

  things you know like well you've got gps and you've got a camera so why don't you [TS]

  do something with that [TS]

  it's you know really really clever yeah it's it's it's also very buggy [TS]

  oh is it really hasn't complained about that really well at least it's been it's [TS]

  been very buggy for for me and you know when my friends are playing as well I [TS]

  and also the terrible thing I think is that it's for food and then they had a [TS]

  problem with the with the gmail and google account yeah you can sign in [TS]

  again you can become a member of the Pokemon trainers club by going to this [TS]

  website which I had no success for days and then finally I was like I'm just [TS]

  gonna hit refresh refresh refresh and finally I got and was able to create an [TS]

  account which i wanted to do because i had signed originally with the google [TS]

  account and then you know it was revealed that it was granting way too [TS]

  much access so i wanted to set up the trainer account and trainer club account [TS]

  and i finally got him but the but the problem is their servers are so [TS]

  overwhelmed I guess yeah that we when we were out and about at one point person [TS]

  was very hard to create the account second of all when we were out that it [TS]

  was just it would not could not be able to connect so you would log you out of [TS]

  the game and you wouldn't be able to play so i finally and at that time I was [TS]

  like walking on just give me that they had released the patch for the to reduce [TS]

  the amount of access that it had your google account so i thought i just [TS]

  signed back in with my google account and network fine [TS]

  it seems so curious to me that they would it that that they would have this [TS]

  you know [TS]

  privacy i don't think was a security bug but it was my privacy hole where they [TS]

  were you know give taking too much access to your google account it's so [TS]

  curious to me that the company used to be part of google you know you think if [TS]

  anybody would get this right it would be them and and I know you know firsthand [TS]

  everybody's ever made any kind of online thing like identity is such a weird [TS]

  there's no good answer to the the identity problem [TS]

  I mean rolling your own versus you know letting people sign in with twitter or [TS]

  google or facebook or whatever there's flipside solve and I know that it's [TS]

  difficult I mean Vesper sink is about as simple as it could be but it was still [TS]

  it [TS]

  big hassle yeah developing it isn't even beyond so beyond those things that we go [TS]

  there are also numerous instances where we would capture a Pokemon and then it [TS]

  would just freeze [TS]

  oh and you said you'd have to restart the app to get back in and then it would [TS]

  not [TS]

  you know it wouldn't remember that you had caught that Pokemon so that was [TS]

  obviously kind of annoying but the thing that is so amazing though is that [TS]

  despite these problems it's still so crazy popular and well as those those [TS]

  problems evident even stopping you I haven't stopped us from playing either [TS]

  explain to me what what people are buying with the in-app purchases i I'm [TS]

  not well you ended your buying credits first of all you're buying litecoin kind [TS]

  of things that you can spend on different things one of the things that [TS]

  you can buy you can get you can buy more pokeballs to capture more pokemon [TS]

  although we have a we have a bouquet stop at the end of the street so i dont [TS]

  and dont feel like I have to worry about i don't play it so much that i'm using [TS]

  that many pokeballs I don't know that i'm not sure what else you can i am [TS]

  assuming that you can buy things like eggs so that you can incubate your your [TS]

  pokemon and maybe incense to attract pokemon and maybe maybe you can also buy [TS]

  lures and things like that so i'm assuming that it's that you can spend [TS]

  coins on things of that nature but I haven't I haven't bought anything that [TS]

  this part of my brain has obviously just a trophy [TS]

  I don't know if if I killed it with alcohol I got the part of my game that [TS]

  is supposed to be the supposed to listen to this and say that sounds like a lot [TS]

  of fun is just totally gone and i think there was a time when I would have see I [TS]

  don't think it's quite like you know there's people who hate sports or just [TS]

  start did sports just does nothing for them and so they kind of hate sports [TS]

  because whenever anybody else is talking about it it's just blah blah blah you [TS]

  know that they don't they don't get it [TS]

  I used to love video games i really did and it just somehow it just just died [TS]

  off but the idea that you see spending real money to get incense bird to lure [TS]

  poking fun they're not real [TS]

  well yeah i mean i don't i don't like that that model obviously I know but [TS]

  it's better than looking for a model I like paying for the game up front I mean [TS]

  you know the other game that i bought was recently was the lego star wars the [TS]

  force awakens oh we got that we've played like crazy to which is super fun [TS]

  and is a fixed up front [TS]

  yes p and I'm much more comfortable with that and that's why I don't that's why i [TS]

  don't buy stuff and those aren't the only games that I've really have plans I [TS]

  would say in the last 10 years that at least ninety-five percent of my [TS]

  video-game-playing time has been on the lego games [TS]

  yeah yeah the crazy thing that we found was that the speaking of the Tendo [TS]

  that's the one and maybe there's one other platform i think maybe the xpac [TS]

  they like xbox 360 version in the wii u version of lego star wars the force [TS]

  awakens does not [TS]

  you can't even buy the season pass to get the extra characters and stuff it's [TS]

  only the basic so we we bought it and I was thinking oh yeah and then we played [TS]

  you know played through it pretty quickly and I'm like oh if let's buy the [TS]

  season pass to get the extra stuff oh we can't that's weird [TS]

  so it's probably got and we got an eye on iOS and it's not all out on iOS yet [TS]

  but supposedly that stuff will will will get eventually released iOS now I like [TS]

  those games [TS]

  yeah i'm not a fan of the modern ones though where they started started [TS]

  talking I like well this is the one exception i think and the reason i think [TS]

  it's an exception in this case is because they recorded a whole bunch of [TS]

  new material for the game [TS]

  the thing that I think I agreed with that in the past I always liked when [TS]

  they were my life yeah i'm just making noises [TS]

  instead of using dialogue from the movies but I think they've they've upped [TS]

  their game significantly now because with this game they got everybody [TS]

  including Harrison Ford and recorded a whole bunch of new material and stuff [TS]

  that is actually related to the gameplay so they'll say things like we need to [TS]

  get over there to connect those two things so that we can open the gate to [TS]

  get through or whatever and I mean the that's actually they're talking about [TS]

  stuff that you need to do in the game in order to advance and andy and i think [TS]

  it's cool to be able to hear now it's the characters that you love from the [TS]

  movie and you're getting to hear more of them [TS]

  well I'm glad to hear you say that they did good they did it well i just i still [TS]

  feel that i miss the old style where they they just demoted you know sort of [TS]

  like the sims I think and I think it's a fair comparison where they would just [TS]

  you know put on quote speak with these mumbles that were like universal [TS]

  language so they wouldn't have to you know and and it to me it was an [TS]

  interesting thing as a to think about the writing challenge of making it very [TS]

  clear that when the characters move that you know what what he's upset about [TS]

  because he can't actually say the words so you have to be really really clear [TS]

  with the game design and the writing which I think helped them helped it like [TS]

  focus on you know making everything is clear as possible and I just thought it [TS]

  was you know a like a cool thing [TS]

  yeah and most moderate feel I feel like the reason the main reason though for it [TS]

  was was localization wasn't I mean whatever I was that's what I was [TS]

  thinking is that it must have been a great boon to localization you know that [TS]

  they wouldn't have to localize you know [TS]

  yeah because they didn't really as i recall they didn't really do like [TS]

  subtitles either wasn't like there was stuff that was on screen it was just [TS]

  mm-hmm [TS]

  yeah they wouldn't yeah they're great and I mean everyone so I think there was [TS]

  some they would have an on-screen they would at least have an on-screen [TS]

  description of like what you might need to do but I think sometimes they [TS]

  actually said like the character is saying you know they would have liked [TS]

  the characters name and with colon and then yeah like dialogue [TS]

  maybe we should buy the yeah but so yeah I mean like I just died and I'm think [TS]

  that it's kind of cool to to get that extra material now and I'm so i'm i'm [TS]

  now on board [TS]

  yeah that's the way they're going to do it from the 1i think but I'd also that I [TS]

  think that those exclusives stink to you know that if somehow sony paid them so [TS]

  that PlayStation as i get two month period where only playstation can get [TS]

  that we and that that's rotten like you shouldn't be penalized because you have [TS]

  the the quote yeah i mean i kind of get it if it's the AI mean like the xbox 360 [TS]

  I kind of understand because you can get it on the xbox one and so yeah I mean [TS]

  okay they're not they're not going to spend as much development time on an [TS]

  older platform right you was looking for you is the one that's the new one right [TS]

  maybe we should do the rest of the episode it's just with mumbles and [TS]

  grunts and see if you know can we do this [TS]

  oh wow I'm sure man i used to play and I used to play the sims long long ago and [TS]

  we used to talk like that to each other and then we get mad at each other we [TS]

  would take hold a finger up over like a negative sign up over our heads that act [TS]

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  any of it was there was some no Joker's like mad or you know cards against [TS]

  humanity those guys my way to take a moment ya ma'am I do them i could [TS]

  probably move him enjoy doing every once in awhile room there [TS]

  mmm yeah I can actually see them requesting that they pay day they make [TS]

  like wacky you know some you know you you listen didn't get a they do some [TS]

  weird stuff and a they're like you probably won't go for this but if you [TS]

  want to you could do this on my own go for that would be great [TS]

  anything to make these things interesting so that's off to them [TS]

  anything else on your agenda what else is going on this week [TS]

  well and you want to talk about any q's uh yeah I be good and i read that i read [TS]

  the the piece that you link to it which yeah i mean i completely agree it sounds [TS]

  exactly exactly like what he really didn't I [TS]

  how would you summarize this so the UH with all that way i can what is that [TS]

  what's the attitude there is certainly no no the hell with this little britches [TS]

  so it started with any Q&A interview in variety and the just suppose that they [TS]

  were like asking about the lappers long-rumored quote-unquote skinny bundle [TS]

  of of TV channels that you you could say you give Apple ten dollars a month or [TS]

  twenty dollars a month and you could get like ESPN CNN turner classic movies you [TS]

  know like I don't know about a quote-unquote skinny bundle or maybe you [TS]

  get like 30 of the most popular channels like a basic-cable kind of thing yeah [TS]

  like a basic-cable maybe even smaller and they haven't been able to pull it [TS]

  off and one of the reasons is that all of these motor almost all of these TV [TS]

  channels are owned by these massive conglomerates big media corporations [TS]

  that will always want to bundle these things altogether and so like you know [TS]

  they're you know like so when and and that's what they're used to dealing with [TS]

  in the cable world and so that the reason you have 850 [TS]

  also I mean literally I I'd I some of the channels i watch are like up in the [TS]

  800 I don't understand why but there that's where they are i watch like four [TS]

  channels and some of them are open the 800 but the reason why is that it's like [TS]

  if you want to have ESPN in your bundle you've got to take you know espn2 and [TS]

  ESPN Spanish and espn3 and you know ESPN headline news or whatever it's called [TS]

  you gotta take em all [TS]

  you can't just say we just want to offer ESPN and then we can pass the savings on [TS]

  to our customers they're they're not interested in it and so any cute old and [TS]

  everybody's been under the impression that Apple has been trying to negotiate [TS]

  something like that specifically at eq that's you know right up his wheelhouse [TS]

  assuming he's the guy and he told variety that date they don't even really [TS]

  want to do it you really only want to go to your party it back exactly i'm not [TS]

  invited wanna go yeah I didn't want to go to your party and a friend of the [TS]

  show Peter Kafka you know I was on his podcast recently I don't know if you [TS]

  listen to it I thought it was pretty pretty good [TS]

  I it's in my queue [TS]

  thanks for listening John it actually is i actually have had that had the webpage [TS]

  open for like a long time and I just haven't gotten to yet I if you have for [TS]

  anybody who hasn't listened it's a good i'll put it in the show notes [TS]

  Peter Kafka of recode it does a I got inside the media podcast I think [TS]

  samantha bee was on recently so it's kind of cool that I was on a podcast for [TS]

  Samantha bee was on [TS]

  yeah like I finally listened to that one it's good yeah how I would I'm sure it's [TS]

  fucking sure it's a lot funnier guarantee that i love her show by the [TS]

  way did you watch your show [TS]

  I didn't mean well I you know I get clip I clip everything I honestly I honestly [TS]

  because I don't get cable but you said me who's the funniest person on [TS]

  late-night TV right now I i think i would say some at the B I really is [TS]

  really good i think is really a really John Oliver a lot too but he would be my [TS]

  eating two of them but I think we're tied for me [TS]

  yeah can you but I still can't I can't believe they were both on the daily show [TS]

  and some out to come to central let them both get away like the 22 me the two [TS]

  funniest people on on TV [TS]

  our them but anyway mhm i put in shown that you can listen to Peter Kafka [TS]

  wanted to talk to me about the one-man media empire I've set up here so if you [TS]

  ever wanted to know my thinking behind you know what the hell i do here at [TS]

  daring fireball you could feel the side that turned out pretty I hate talking [TS]

  about myself I hate I really do and I it's you know in the gist of it is that [TS]

  this has been somewhat successful which makes me hate talking about it even more [TS]

  and it somehow he made it tolerable and I didn't want to die so you can listen [TS]

  to it but anyway peter kafka media reporter extraordinaire link to this [TS]

  Eddy Cue thing with variety and he offered is a own translation of it which [TS]

  like you said really brings yeah this is what he meant everything is completely [TS]

  true you know i mean just that week we can't pull it together so you know so [TS]

  that we will just say that we we don't even want to do it [TS]

  although that mean I'm sure they're still interested i say i think so too [TS]

  and I think that Kafka stake of look we see that you guys are headed off a cliff [TS]

  you should see it to you know this seems this seems like it should be i hate to [TS]

  say it but win-win-win right that this year is good this is such a deal would [TS]

  be good for Apple it would be good for Apple TV users and it would be good for [TS]

  the these TV channels because they have this life after cable but if you guys [TS]

  want to wait to go over the cliff and then we'll work it out sorted out at the [TS]

  end I guess that's what we'll do [TS]

  because it really is for me for me it would obviously would be great because I [TS]

  we don't get cable and every once in awhile that's a problem if the funnies [TS]

  the funny thing was like when we first canceling cable it was no my wife called [TS]

  me that was back when i was working in office and she called me she said I [TS]

  cancel cable was like oh this was [TS]

  Shh it was I would have been six years ago something like that anyway with a [TS]

  year 10 of the olympics at the $YEAR winter olympics like I was thinking we [TS]

  would do it right after the Olympics she's like oh oh yeah so we didn't watch [TS]

  the Olympics that year but you know but we have not we have not looked back [TS]

  other than other than every once in a while they're being like something like [TS]

  that i think would be really nice to watch as it errors but no no it's not [TS]

  worth the ongoing cost us [TS]

  yeah and it's I just seems to me that I would think and again i'm making this up [TS]

  so I'm not an analyst i can make stuff up i think though that cord cutting is a [TS]

  it it's a good demographic like it's not people are cutting the cord because they [TS]

  can't afford cable it's because they're technically savvy enough that they've [TS]

  got devices that they can use to fill up you know the four hours of time they [TS]

  want to spend entertaining themselves on the screen without cable [TS]

  yeah you know and well I'd say i was spending so much time getting my media [TS]

  some other way you know I would [TS]

  it's time and money getting a media some other like either buying it off of [TS]

  itunes or getting it someplace where I wouldn't have to have ads in it that I [TS]

  was not I mean I certainly wasn't devoting is sixty dollars a month of my [TS]

  entertainment you know spending so much more on that compared to the other stuff [TS]

  that it just didn't make sense anymore [TS]

  yeah I just don't understand why these the TV executives wouldn't want to get a [TS]

  piece of that pie you know get involved [TS]

  yeah my well like we have like Kafka eludes did they probably will eventually [TS]

  yeah and i don't know i just can't help but think that the app model is it's [TS]

  just not ideal [TS]

  it's you know it's not bad and it works and there are some of those stations you [TS]

  know a calm State it works if your big right i mean it works if your HBO but I [TS]

  don't think it works necessarily for everybody [TS]

  yeah HBO does it pretty well I think that their apple TV up i think the [TS]

  interface is a little confusing that the the navigation I don't know if you've [TS]

  used it but [TS]

  the and just a bit it's it's a confirmed date the there's like a simple like iOS [TS]

  really hammered at home but it's like that old next column view you know from [TS]

  the next finder or whatever the file manager and now that you have it in the [TS]

  finder right and it's such a simple little thing but it's so brilliant where [TS]

  you just you know start on the left this is the route and as you go deeper [TS]

  it just keeps sliding overwrite the whole iphone interface is built on that [TS]

  right so far left conceptually is here's all of your email accounts you go into [TS]

  one of them and here's all of the mailboxes in that account you hit a [TS]

  mailbox [TS]

  here's all of the messages in that mailbox just keep going to the right I [TS]

  did the apple TV is large you know a lot of the stuff and apple TV is is largely [TS]

  like that that the app the HBO happens just sort of like there's a whole bunch [TS]

  of things you can tap and it'll take you somewhere and there's no I have no idea [TS]

  how to get back to where I just was but anyway what I big one of my biggest [TS]

  complaints about the apple TV is the fact that it ended brought have brought [TS]

  some crappy apps i think yeah I think the netflix app is not as good as it [TS]

  used to be [TS]

  yeah tony is the same maybe it's the same on the maybe there's an update that [TS]

  came to the older ones too and it was good as well but they they did it they [TS]

  did an update and actually I maybe that's true because i think the iOS one [TS]

  is not as good as it used to be either it seems like they did an update that [TS]

  was trying to get there you go again coming back to sort of what we were [TS]

  talking about earlier about Microsoft and Google trying to get their app [TS]

  experience the same off of across all those platforms and it you know that [TS]

  experience was not nearly as good as the original iOS maps were the good thing [TS]

  about HBO this I salute you HBO you are doing it right is that they they don't [TS]

  have any kind of like window so if you want to watch Game of Thrones on sunday [TS]

  night because you don't want spoilers you can watch it on HBO app as soon as [TS]

  it's on you you know the TV station [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  really like that when I used to be into I would I loved is probably my favorite [TS]

  show of all time madmen I always bought it on itunes so that I could watch it [TS]

  without ads with them without even you know I mean this is me and my money just [TS]

  pouring through my fingers because i don't even have tivo of course but I [TS]

  didn't you know don't even like skipping at its it [TS]

  the show is too I thought madman was so cinematic that it was just wrecking it's [TS]

  like watching a movie with with commercials I don't even want to do the [TS]

  Flip so i would but i would buy the season pass on itunes but they had baked [TS]

  it only come out like 24 hours later and madmen wasn't like Game of Thrones where [TS]

  there were these crazy plot twists and it wasn't nearly as popular you know is [TS]

  popular but game of thrones' yeah popular so yeah you didn't have to worry [TS]

  well the game is a game of thrones the kind of thing where everybody's watching [TS]

  at the same time and you know it's on twitter you can see you know when it's [TS]

  happening because everybody's commenting on it as it's being aired right and so I [TS]

  didn't it wasn't so much that I was worried about a 24-hour window where I [TS]

  could encounter a spoiler it was just a vague frustration that I'm really [TS]

  looking forward to this next episode of the show like maybe enough there is a [TS]

  good some kind of cliffhanger the week before it just felt annoying to me that [TS]

  I'm the sucker who paid money even though I've got cable / I could watch it [TS]

  for free I've given you more money so that i can watch it without the [TS]

  commercial interruptions and you're making me wait 24 hours [TS]

  like I feel like I should get it 24 hours early if anything you know the [TS]

  other reason but everybody's been in the stupid the the whole thing is predicated [TS]

  on deals that they have with cable providers now the other thing i will say [TS]

  yes this is true too [TS]

  I don't know how he's being so your ear suffering you're suffering because of a [TS]

  deal we made with somebody else [TS]

  yeah in my defense also i will defend my life right my financial angle [TS]

  hi I'll front you need well from I'd you know what they should put all my money [TS]

  in there so i get to stop wasting it on steps penny and I don't TV shows that [TS]

  you get other ways I don't know what my annual returns are [TS]

  on this episode of mad man i don't but i don't know you it's not what it's not 11 [TS]

  a percent or whatever they said it's more like two three percent because they [TS]

  would advise you to stop spending your money on TV shows i will say this i have [TS]

  watched mad men in its entirety twice [TS]

  although i didn't want the last season rewatch the last season yet but I've [TS]

  watched everything but the last season entirely twice so and I you know so it [TS]

  that would have been a would've still been on my tivo so I would have had to [TS]

  buy it somehow you would do what should you watch Kimmy Schmidt yes I don't know [TS]

  if I've if we completed the season two I don't know if we have or not but I know [TS]

  where at least halfway through season two and I we did was ok because John [TS]

  Hannah's is the dolls oh yeah we did finish it because i know that there's [TS]

  it's what I won't say it there is a ok and i want to do yes now that ledger [TS]

  eight there's a great joke about that [TS]

  what was the joke about Jon Hamm is not a spoiler can you say that [TS]

  well i'm in a way you know the joke because it's in reference to UM can be [TS]

  here with a warehouse and he if you don't if you don't skip over this if you [TS]

  don't want to know what the impurity second but she's she talks about how it [TS]

  you know how the the guy that held her captive was so crazy and like one of the [TS]

  things that he he thought that he wrote that Coke something haha why pride that [TS]

  slip past me i didn't notice that i did not have that you it is delirious [TS]

  because it's delivered in a very like you know like most of the jokes that's [TS]

  like a very often but they're just walking down the street and indeed know [TS]

  it and I think like she's talking to Titus or something in his next line cuts [TS]

  right in you don't like the they they don't spend any time on it at all it [TS]

  just just deliver it and move on [TS]

  so it's it's an odd segue but i will go with it out one of the things i was [TS]

  talking after we watched the season two of king street so anybody who doesn't [TS]

  know it's the TV show on netflix on break up the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt [TS]

  or just on a wrinkly unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt ah created by tina fey I don't [TS]

  know who else deserves creator credit [TS]

  and if you liked 30 rock you like the show [TS]

  it's aight i don't see however don't know i don't see how anybody like 30 [TS]

  rock wouldn't like the show and it is so densely populated with jokes and I think [TS]

  that it's really struck me is that it it and now that there's a second show in [TS]

  this style it's it's like Tina Fey it's I know that everybody loves her and [TS]

  she's you know the super popular and you know does award shows and I was all [TS]

  these accolades but I still feel like it's almost like under remarked upon how [TS]

  she's like invented like at a a format for a sitcom that is like like an entire [TS]

  order of magnitude denser with jokes then and then anything that came before [TS]

  it like it its exquisite like if you really think about and I think about it [TS]

  is right i mean i don't write screenplays but I you know I write it it [TS]

  just seems impossible to me that they come up with ten or twenty episodes that [TS]

  yeah that densely packed with jokes like almost every single word out of every [TS]

  characters mouth is a joke [TS]

  there's no setup it's alright it's just relentless and I'm not you know it's not [TS]

  like you're sitting there laughing the entire time non-stop it's it on but it's [TS]

  I find it incredibly engaging because it's just so smart it's just like the [TS]

  smartest thing I've ever seen [TS]

  yeah and there's it's it has another layer to it too i think there's like [TS]

  things going on that you have to you have to be it's one of those like the [TS]

  way i will like made a mistake in watching the most recent season of [TS]

  arrested development which was trying to watch it while doing something else I [TS]

  had it on the background like when I was making dinner and stuff and things like [TS]

  that and you can't and i really didn't appreciate it and so I need to go back [TS]

  and like I think to vote because the way that show interweaves with things going [TS]

  on particularly that showed like we're interviews and things are going on in [TS]

  the background that are really the funny part a lot of times like you see [TS]

  something going on [TS]

  yeah that's that happen in a previous episode that's going on in the [TS]

  background right then that makes the joke in the foreground funny [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  it demands your attention yeah yeah yeah and i think i think this is kind of like [TS]

  that to where you can if you're not really paying attention you can miss a [TS]

  lot [TS]

  yeah so that's my recommendation is anybody if you're looking for something [TS]

  good to watch get into the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt super-smart I just and [TS]

  almost impossible and jon hamm is very funny on [TS]

  yeah it was great guys great casting I never even mentioned the premise of the [TS]

  show [TS]

  oh it if you're not a way I mean maybe most people are aware but the premise of [TS]

  the show its so it's almost sick the premise of the show is that [TS]

  kimmy schmidt the main character is she the one she's a modern woman she was [TS]

  kidnapped as a teenager by a weirdo and kept in an underground bunker for 20 [TS]

  years or something was it like 20 and 10 and i think yes she like missed you know [TS]

  like the bush administration or something like that but you went from [TS]

  like 15 15 cameras something like that yeah because they feel like it was the [TS]

  nineties when she was captured and then the show us 20 who the show starts with [TS]

  her and and the other women who were captured by this guy escaping from from [TS]

  and going you know assimilating back into regular life [TS]

  yeah and they don't show and they don't show the guy they're crazy I mean the [TS]

  heat the show from like the back right four episodes and episodes and then he [TS]

  finally shows up toward the end or at least you don't like it you know more [TS]

  than halfway through the first season and it's john him and it's great there [TS]

  were John inner-city I don't spoil too much but there's a trial and that where [TS]

  jon hamm goes on trial for what he did and it really reminded me like and he he [TS]

  represents himself as his attorney and it's so reminded me of of my all-time [TS]

  favorite Simpson character which was Lionel Hutz the the Laura the ones you [TS]

  played by phil hartman Oh philharmonia the Lionhearts was to me the funniest [TS]

  thing ever on the simpsons yeah you're the judge and I'm the law talking guy [TS]

  you mean an attorney [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  what else is going on what else we have to talk about uh are you you are you [TS]

  guys are you submitting your sauce so yourselves for the planet of the apps [TS]

  oh no I don't get this at all i really don't know later I really don't [TS]

  it's really something every night for well first of all i'm not i'm not a fan [TS]

  of reality TV right so not a good you know I may not be a good person to judge [TS]

  this [TS]

  well I kind of get it in in that it's a marketing tool for the app store i guess [TS]

  but so Apple insert eyes in that regard but it does it seem apple is [TS]

  co-producing upcoming reality show with with some production company that does [TS]

  regular reality shows you know obviously has experience with it where it's going [TS]

  to be a bad about developers making apps and it just from what i know a reality [TS]

  TV that's like it it's you know it's it's all this like emotional soap opera [TS]

  stuff you know it's yeah it and and I can't think of anything I mean this is [TS]

  like the most like developing apps is it's not cinematic you know it's a lot [TS]

  of typing you know what are they gonna shower i don't get it i mean i may be [TS]

  honest II Craig gonna see Craig Hockenberry sitting at a computer right [TS]

  i just don't see how that's a show I don't get it but anyway apples doing in [TS]

  there taking applications and you have to go after willing to live in Los [TS]

  Angeles for a couple months at the end of the year and they said please don't [TS]

  sign up and you see the point of fact it was like please note sign up if you [TS]

  can't do that if you can't commit like two months to like right maybe the game [TS]

  maybe they may be the guy that decided he was getting into his email to go to [TS]

  New Zealand you can do it but well I can see how some you know developers [TS]

  definitely especially young ones and maybe that's part of the gist of the [TS]

  show is that it's you know the sort of 20-something demographic [TS]

  I like you know I could see it I guess I I don't know it just seems very strange [TS]

  did the strange part to me it doesn't seem so strange that somebody would make [TS]

  a show about a problem but it seems strange to me that Apple is is is [TS]

  co-producing and it's going to be so this is like the first original content [TS]

  you know to loop it back for the previous topic of the show that they're [TS]

  you know its original content that Apple is going to give out through the itunes [TS]

  store somehow and it just seems very strange that it would be a reality show [TS]

  when everybody else is exclusive content is stuff like Kimmy Schmidt and you know [TS]

  daredevil house of cards yeah daredevil house of cards you know it's all these [TS]

  these you know cinematic really good shape really gonna show us and really [TS]

  great shows that are very compelling to watch and we're gonna have some guys [TS]

  typing t-mobile is giving users a free year the year of free data to play [TS]

  pokemon go [TS]

  yeah wonder how that works technically like how do they know what data is used [TS]

  for pokemon go and oh that's a good point i mean i guess i'm just going to [TS]

  be [TS]

  to identify it somehow yeah i don't know i don't get it you're not you're not [TS]

  you're not on Team Laurie uh no not really I i add that might be I told you [TS]

  have the the okay everybody's yeah my android is on a month-to-month tmobile [TS]

  clip I think I fire going to switch I probably switch to t-mobile [TS]

  yeah i would like to but if we don't have enough good coverage of on I i [TS]

  wrote a single casualty a year ago for maximum Tom's Hardware Tom and I did [TS]

  they were they were doing a series of like studies of who had the best [TS]

  coverage in certain cities and I did there I did the testing for the for [TS]

  seattle and spent a bunch of time you know driving around testing these [TS]

  different carriers on some of these android phones and tmobile was was the [TS]

  fastest but when i brought the first came home with the phones women getting [TS]

  coverage here [TS]

  yeah that I mean speed is nice but it's the coverages key yeah yeah so it wasn't [TS]

  really an option really our only option where we are right now is verizon [TS]

  because we had the same experience with AT&T and we got one of those cells [TS]

  microcells and it didn't work for yeah those things are garbage yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  I don't have to test with this phone before I switch and see if it covers [TS]

  everything I mean everywhere you are it's probably probably safe I think it [TS]

  probably is but it is such a better deal i forget what we pay for verizon but [TS]

  yeah all around it's a better deal right and yet you get you get more flexibility [TS]

  and it's cheaper [TS]

  yeah and when they tell you it's fifty dollars a month you get charged fifty [TS]

  dollars like 50.7 dollars which is amazing to me but it gives its fifty [TS]

  dollars a month and you get three gigs and you get your beer credit card [TS]

  notification that I get a notification that my credit card was charged 50.0 [TS]

  dollars tmobile but it wasn't I mean I mean i think what i'm getting a better [TS]

  and better deal with verizon i feel like because we added Hank [TS]

  and.and he does not use a small amount of data and sometimes that's a problem [TS]

  but we're still paying I think we're paying less than we were a year ago I [TS]

  tell you what Jonas did so Jonas we have 15 gigabytes of share data among the [TS]

  three of us on verizon and but Amy and I want a not only three times what we have [TS]

  and it's the three times more than we used most months and I just but it's [TS]

  grandfathered in it's almost like it's like the verizon version of the old AT&T [TS]

  five-unit your unlimited they all get unlimited which I better a surprising [TS]

  number of people are still hanging onto Paul was for a long time I don't know if [TS]

  I think he finally got off i think Casey list is too [TS]

  I somebody I think Casey list i have somebody was talking on a podcast [TS]

  recently about how they're still hanging onto it which drives me I can't believe [TS]

  anybody does it because you can't tether like I don't care how much you love it [TS]

  at the unlimited data plan that yeah i don'ti but tethering is so important to [TS]

  me it's it's really too [TS]

  I mean I'm little i told you i'm literally tethered to my verizon phone [TS]

  right now as we speak [TS]

  the show without alright that's how we're recording this show ah it is so [TS]

  essential to my mobile computing it's ridiculous but anyway uh it were [TS]

  grandfathered in it like a better rate than you can get now for 15 gigs and we [TS]

  came and i flew out to California for WWDC Jonas had just gotten a school that [TS]

  you know friday before was his last day of school and he was with Amy sister for [TS]

  the week and up on like the monday WATC I got a notice from verizon that we've [TS]

  used up 14.9 gigabytes of our 15 gigabyte plan [TS]

  and our billing cycle ends on the twelfth meaning it ends on the twelfth [TS]

  of july a month later so it's literally like that like the first day of the [TS]

  billing cycle Jonas used like 15 15 gigabytes of data in like 48 hours [TS]

  ah i said i didn't know what this in a and I realize like in the old days like [TS]

  I feeling maybe as a test like at first there was a moment where I was furious [TS]

  at this is the angry because he he's a smart kid he knows what wife is really [TS]

  smart enough to know what you know knows what Wi-Fi is he just never got on got [TS]

  on their Wi-Fi went on their Wi-Fi when he got there just watching non-stop [TS]

  high-definition youtube for ya 48-hour right right i mean that's a lot though [TS]

  even even with its new and we even watching at home in 15 [TS]

  you know well then I got I kind of got proud I was like well that's actually [TS]

  kind of a you know my head is 15 games of data 48 hours like you know that's [TS]

  like the equivalent for the baby book like you know Jonas isn't very good at [TS]

  sports but you know it's sort of like you know hit for the cycle [TS]

  he's very good at using data very good at using data but I figured out that it [TS]

  never gonna charge me I forget what it is but it's like once you go over you [TS]

  have to pay for every gigabyte and I knew it was going to be a fairly you [TS]

  know if the whole WWDC week was enemy where we would you know that [TS]

  repeat the week where we're at disney world was in their house I just gonna be [TS]

  an extra pair this is like them take them he did this on the day of the month [TS]

  it's starting on the billing cycle we probably actually this is the time we [TS]

  actually use the 15 gigs in fact I remember it was at disney world one here [TS]

  where i upped the apt our plan to the 15 kick plan but I checked and upgrading [TS]

  that you can temporarily upgrade to a higher plan like Verizon is nice about [TS]

  yeah we can go to 20 or 25 or something like that but once you do i I couldn't [TS]

  ever go back down to this 15 big plan we how was it [TS]

  longer exists and I figured that we're gonna it would be better to just pay [TS]

  like like seriously like an extra hundred and fifty dollars this month for [TS]

  all of our over but we'll make up for it and look we really would make up for it [TS]

  in the long run as long as we stay in verizon oh my god and of course now here [TS]

  I am talking about switching to t-mobile [TS]

  yeah right well you need to get your money out of it first i had i get i did [TS]

  not yell at Jonah's I feel like this is where I'm a good parent like I'd you [TS]

  know by the time I I i conversed with him about the situation I was calm and i [TS]

  started guy I was just you know and similar tone that I am now I mean what [TS]

  are you gonna do but I I just remember when I was a kid if I had done something [TS]

  like that that it that it resulted in our family having to pay at a hundred [TS]

  and fifty dollars for something that I could have done for free just by turning [TS]

  on Wi-Fi and logging on to divide to his aunt's house Wi-Fi I ikea my parents [TS]

  would have I I mean they would I I they might have had a stroke [TS]

  I mean and yeah i can just imagine my dad would be so mad [TS]

  oh my god it's ludicrous how easy it is [TS]

  I mean and I don't want to be I'm not trying to blame apple or anybody else [TS]

  really but it's just technology and giving them access to this stuff is when [TS]

  he was living he was a little kid he he spent I mean he didn't like something [TS]

  that purchase thing where he got like coins for paper toss or something was [TS]

  like you know some ridiculous game and spend like a hundred fifty bucks i [TS]

  remember them [TS]

  yeah i think i told you that and then oh and then like did you call about that [TS]

  what you'd pay it or did you call apple and and I think that when I got I got [TS]

  back they think they refunded that they refunded most of it or something i don't [TS]

  remember like I decided I I think what I decided was that some of it should be on [TS]

  me because I let you know I'll i wasn't doing the password log out thing you [TS]

  know they gave him his ipad you know i bought the thing for me because you know [TS]

  he wanted like you know it's like ten ten dollar coins or something that's [TS]

  fine yeah and so I got him got him some coins and then he was like okay [TS]

  still logged in click click click and I I I think what I did was like I decided [TS]

  some of it i would split like that was on part of it was on me so I paid for [TS]

  half of it and and they refunded me the other half or something like that Tom [TS]

  and then and then we the other thing that happened last year was that was [TS]

  last just last year i think it was he wanted to he wanted a book on I got [TS]

  kindle book and so I'll i got onto his laptop this was a terrible mistake i got [TS]

  his laptop and and you know Gandhi amazon and bought in the candle so they [TS]

  could get it onto his ipad and then I you know in my credit card information [TS]

  was left there and so he was still logged into amazon he was just like yeah [TS]

  I don't think he knew exactly what had happened he may probably did but he put [TS]

  a couple things in the cart and clean them alone [TS]

  no no these are going back and that's I admire them for that you know i mean are [TS]

  you know unfortunately that 1i that what it was like when the enemy so now the [TS]

  thing is like if you go if we go over i like I'd like I figure like five [TS]

  gigabytes we mostly spent our time in the house all you know i mean [TS]

  particularly in the in the summer way we have access to Wi-Fi and and yet I are [TS]

  planning our plans like five gigs and then like if we go over and you're using [TS]

  most of it you're paying for the overage and that's what that's our deal so it [TS]

  comes out of his allowance the fee Jonas has too much he has i dislike the [TS]

  parenting episode of the show he has a surprising amount of of cash [TS]

  and it's all accumulated from like birthdays and and Christmas yeah like [TS]

  that you know [TS]

  yeah hey yeah i mean he's he literally looks like he's going to Atlantic City [TS]

  to gamble like he's got like like a wad of cash and a roll like a rubber band [TS]

  around it because it's like we do make him like if he wants to do like an [TS]

  in-app purchase or something if he wants to get like a ten dollar upgrade for [TS]

  playstation game or whatever it's like okay would you know I'll ok it but you [TS]

  know you gotta give me 10 box and yes like when he takes out that it's like I [TS]

  never had money like that i remember when i was like 12 result I the most [TS]

  money I ever had at a time was was like enough to buy like a Hot Wheels car like [TS]

  that yeah and they were days to be about 22 bucks like like buying a Hot Wheels [TS]

  car at kmart with bike bankrupt me [TS]

  yeah I mean I feel like maybe i would scrape together 15 bucks or something [TS]

  like that but for the most part yeah and then Hank is similar though because it [TS]

  becomes in fits and spurts and I think it usually is like he's usually very [TS]

  flushed because his birthday is near Christmas so he's usually very flesh [TS]

  come January but he is also spent like I mean sometimes you just like he just [TS]

  won't buy anything for a great stretches of time and then he'll build up like I [TS]

  mean there have been a number of times where he's had like a like a [TS]

  hundred-dollar bill just liner was working for her more [TS]

  how does it happen that quick [TS]

  I never have a hundred-dollar bill we squandered our you youth going out [TS]

  playing Sandlot baseball we should have been in the house click the [TS]

  hundred-dollar bills I i did not make him pay the overage it just it's clearly [TS]

  was a mistake and is a lot of money but yeah if it happened to well that's it [TS]

  yeah I mean I the first the first one is fine but after that and and what is that [TS]

  you already had already gone over once so this wasn't ever that's our new day [TS]

  that's our new deal we've had this discussion before I was like they were [TS]

  not having this discussion again you have got to realize that you don't watch [TS]

  you don't go into one of your YouTube fever dreams fuchs what is he what is he [TS]

  watches you watch play with people playing games is that I think it's [TS]

  mostly people playing games i I'd whenever I look at the screen it's it's [TS]

  always like people playing games [TS]

  yeah yeah Hank is Hank has gotten into like we went to an arcade he loves going [TS]

  to these arcades and playing these coin games which i can't stand mostly but he [TS]

  watches people play these things on YouTube and so we went yesterday to one [TS]

  of these you know goofy arcades mode you know most of the games of which i can't [TS]

  i can't bear but I there was this one game where you just drop these balls [TS]

  into a into this thing that's going around that has these holes and the [TS]

  balls going to the holes in there you know whatever you number you get you get [TS]

  and then they give you these tickets right yeah when you go to exchange the [TS]

  tickets for some crap but he had been watching he had apparently been watching [TS]

  somebody who figured out like the best way to play this game on youtube and he [TS]

  was like it was like one of those things with the tickets were just like pouring [TS]

  out of the machine but when Hank I was able to like replicate it [TS]

  yeah oh my god yeah already nearly it was the kind of thing where instead of [TS]

  like putting your coins in like one coin and then letting the game play out and [TS]

  then put another coin in you just shove like five coins in succession and [TS]

  because I guess the way the balls like event you know you'll get a ball in a [TS]

  good hole because if there are a number of balls and play at any given time your [TS]

  chances of getting into a good hole or better because they're all going to go [TS]

  into separate holes [TS]

  whereas if you drop one ball you could get you could get a crappy hole every [TS]

  single time but if you drop like 10 balls one of them's probably go into one [TS]

  that's a really high number and then you can take the tickets up and get candy or [TS]

  oh yeah and then I get this place is not just their gifts were pretty lousy RK [TS]

  don't know what they used to be John now they're not what they used to be [TS]

  well we didn't we didn't get prizes at all not arcade but then there's a place [TS]

  the beach where that had that we this place that we go to the beach has a [TS]

  great arcade and the prices are pretty good but this place was pretty crappy so [TS]

  he ended up with a whole bunch of tootsie rolls unit with a laser pointer [TS]

  and a bunch of tootsie rolls and Jonas had a party it was at a birthday party [TS]

  at a place like that sometime last few months and when we picked him up like [TS]

  everybody was just cashing in tickets for candy [TS]

  yeah nobody was looking at the toys all can down yeah that's what you mean he [TS]

  wanted to get nothing but candy but I was like now you should get something [TS]

  get something else just candy you're lying around the house you'll be [TS]

  bouncing off the walls [TS]

  yeah anything else I don't know if you did you want to circle back to that [TS]

  samsung laptop [TS]

  oh yeah I guess we could do that right probably didn't we we alluded to it [TS]

  earlier but didn't [TS]

  yeah that's actually good topic so I i linked to a [TS]

  a review forget who wear it was where was a gizmodo please modo reviews the [TS]

  samsung notebook seven spin alex cranz was was the reviewer and it like it was [TS]

  so presumptuous he said Apple take note this is what people are actually looking [TS]

  for a laptop under a thousand bucks and it looks like a fine windows laptop but [TS]

  it is it looks to me a lot like a 34 year old macbook pro graver thicker and [TS]

  well it's huge it's very huge and then playing and that's one of those things [TS]

  where it's like I don't know sometimes I don't know when to stop it's like it's a [TS]

  short link piece and you know I was doing it from my phone but I felt like [TS]

  this is one of those ones where i could take it apart you know do the old-school [TS]

  thing where a quote as much of it as I want and yeah you know make fun of HSN [TS]

  because I got somebody like he goes on and on the beginning and the end about [TS]

  how great this machine is and then I want to me it's like I think it's a she [TS]

  I think it's oh I don't know our I didn't even think about that i think i [TS]

  like it i could be i hope i didn't use anything but i didn't use any programs [TS]

  so i didn't really talk about Alex so he or she say she but at one point comes up [TS]

  her anyway she uses her she uses her and her [TS]

  yeah so okay so my apologies to alex cranz five pounds it's like so heavy [TS]

  it's a good idea and and she even talks about how its if it's kind of heavy and [TS]

  clunky when it has like it has like a like a keypad right it has that like the [TS]

  number key add because that because the thing is so big board is actually like a [TS]

  full desktop writes that his keyboard that would bother me one reason that [TS]

  would bother my like I don't really need to keep adding do a lot of spreadsheet [TS]

  work but i would not have an aeros over there but it would bother me to have my [TS]

  hands off center [TS]

  yeah well and that's the thing that I've noticed i mean so Hank has it he's got a [TS]

  lenovo which I can't stand but and and you know it is a perfect example of how [TS]

  lousy plastic laptops are because he's rough on everything [TS]

  yeah but if he you know just by opening and closing the the little lot broke the [TS]

  hinge on the [TS]

  on the screen [TS]

  yeah and so I mean fortunately we send it mean they they actually fixed it for [TS]

  free which was nice but I just in in but now he's now he's out on like he wants [TS]

  to you want to be with a laptop that's all metal which is really like if you [TS]

  want a windows laptop is that is not easy to do [TS]

  yeah yeah they have a lot of ones that look like metal but they're actually the [TS]

  you know so this thing is this thing is is five pounds so it's a it's a half a [TS]

  pound heavier than the 15-inch macbook pro and is made of plastic [TS]

  yeah i wrote here's what i wrote any laptop thick enough for an ethernet port [TS]

  is too thick and a lot of readers pushback because you know it's me being [TS]

  a little confident confrontation but you know just being short and sweet but what [TS]

  i mean by that I understand the whole idea that there are people who would be [TS]

  you know I a lot of readers I got a lot of emails from people saying well i [TS]

  would gladly take a thicker laptop that got better battery life I don't carry it [TS]

  that much it doesn't bother me I've got so much other crap in my bag you know an [TS]

  extra half a pound or a pound [TS]

  isn't that big a difference I don't get apples obsession with than this you know [TS]

  what are they gonna do keep making them going until the macbook is as thin as an [TS]

  ipad actually i think yeah that is Apple's goal like I'm for writing sort [TS]

  of from apple [TS]

  of from apple [TS]

  perspective here saying that any laptop they confront ethernet ports to think [TS]

  it's certainly i'm not trying to say that that's a universal truism and that [TS]

  there's nobody who would actually prefer i think your laptop that got better [TS]

  battery life [TS]

  I'm saying because that's the to me the gist of the review from gizmodo was the [TS]

  presumptuousness of trying to say that the angle that got me I wouldn't even [TS]

  notice the review if it wasn't written from the perspective of samsung has made [TS]

  the laptop apple should be making which i think is almost literally what she [TS]

  wrote where it's like this is somebody who has I no idea what Apple's design [TS]

  philosophy and goals like they do not want to make a thicker Mac yeah yeah [TS]

  it's just it's a market that are not in all right i mean it's it's it's a cheap [TS]

  you know it's a maybe it's a good it's good for that class but it's not a class [TS]

  that they make [TS]

  it's the same same thing with the phones I mean like I know that there are plenty [TS]

  of people listening to me talk right now who would be happy to buy a new iphone [TS]

  that was you know significantly it may be as thick as the original iphone and [TS]

  just have all that extra space go to the battery and just have that battery right [TS]

  there you know thicker battery you know not a preposterous we think phone just [TS]

  go back to the thickness of like the 3gs or something like that or even I well I [TS]

  mean we we both have an iphone SE right [TS]

  i I don't I don't use it as my daily phone anyway I never buy ok and i don't [TS]

  know like I don't want to use a review phone is a personal device right doing [TS]

  I didn't buy one up we can go into it if you want but I'm torn terribly torn and [TS]

  I've seen other people say when i bring this up before that they'll say I would [TS]

  I would even go back to the thickness of the iphone for just anything to put a [TS]

  little bit more battery in there because it seems i I'd also think it's maybe [TS]

  it's subjective but that it's just your perception but so many people seem to [TS]

  think that they just need you know like twenty percent more you know that it's [TS]

  just like the last like two or three hours of the day is when the phone dies [TS]

  and i know that there are people who would buy it but apples not going to [TS]

  model their product line by having thicker phones and thinner phones just [TS]

  so the battery is built in [TS]

  and it's just the way that it is and I think that I don't think apples doing it [TS]

  without some market research that they know that in the store people tend to [TS]

  buy the thinner phone [TS]

  yeah well I and i said this before but i would the back before the what before [TS]

  the six i guess one of the things that the only other thing that I was ever [TS]

  really envious about certain android phones without them they were but I that [TS]

  said I i'm using an iphone SE now and I'm glad to have it be the battery lasts [TS]

  a little longer [TS]

  it does if I'm most legal but I'm mostly glad that it's a smaller phone i mean [TS]

  i'm mostly it for me it's all about getting back to a smaller size you want [TS]

  to hear me just explain why it didn't buy insurance yeah i love the size of [TS]

  the hand i find i found those that with my particular vision problems right now [TS]

  it's it the size of text like and it's not even with the retina the record the [TS]

  bad either [TS]

  my bad left eye with the that had the retinal damage and and just even leaving [TS]

  aside even my my right eye which is perfectly healthy when I'm wearing my [TS]

  contact lenses I really have trouble focusing at anything less than an arm's [TS]

  distance away unless you have really bright light and if I will wear glasses [TS]

  i can take off my glasses and I still because I'm so badly nearsighted I can [TS]

  see up close real real near so i could use the iPhone se but it it really helps [TS]

  me i love it i mean and i right about accessibility all the time but you know [TS]

  mine my vision problems are almost nothing I shouldn't even complain about [TS]

  them compared to people who are like actually blind [TS]

  I mean yeah I know five friends who have truly truly terrible vision you know and [TS]

  and turn on the ridiculously large accessibility sizes for texts in iOS and [TS]

  that did you know I have my but the the way that you can resize text in iOS I [TS]

  have it like two clicks up and it really makes a difference when I'm wearing my [TS]

  contact lenses I really appreciate it [TS]

  it's I can read so much easier in darker situations that I could otherwise [TS]

  and on the i found that on the iphone SE if I made text big enough for me to see [TS]

  with my contacts and it's it's just a little too cramped like so if if i had [TS]

  the same vision I had even just five years ago really i mean i've really it's [TS]

  just I've just hit the point where the presbyopia you know that you probably [TS]

  know but the president will be is where when you get older when you start [TS]

  kneading reading glasses and you have ya difficulty focusing at closer distances [TS]

  it's really hit me in the last five years if i had the vision I had five [TS]

  years ago I'd have the iphone SE without question [TS]

  it's really to me it's an accessibility thing with the text and combine that [TS]

  with the fact that i know i'm probably gonna buy an iphone whatever they call [TS]

  it this sep tember why buy an iphone SE just to use for five months [TS]

  yeah well I'm into it now so and Karen an anchor both on the that plan the [TS]

  Apple plan so they're the ones are going to get the new phone the mall and if not [TS]

  i buy me otherwise if it wasn't for my eyes bottom line i would love to se I [TS]

  really would [TS]

  yeah probably good that we brought that up because i know i think my review is [TS]

  such a rave about it that kind of left it up in the air and like it WC a couple [TS]

  people saw me using my iphone success and were surprised that i didn't have an [TS]

  SE mhm yeah but I understand I understand that my mom my mom has a she [TS]

  had a sheet of 3gs for years and then finally got I think she got this cash [TS]

  that you get the success of the six think you got the six when it came out [TS]

  and and she doesn't have any battery problem with it because every time she's [TS]

  done with it she shuts it down [TS]