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0:00:00the incomparable number 245 make 2015

0:00:11welcome back everybody to be

0:00:12uncomfortable podcast I'm your host

0:00:13Jason smell and this is a very special

0:00:15edition of the uncomfortable we all went

0:00:18well all those who are going to be on

0:00:19this episode went together and watched a

0:00:21film in a movie theater and now we are

0:00:24gathered around the table eating pizza

0:00:26and drinking that various beverages to

0:00:29discuss with you

0:00:31avengers age of ultron his age is very

0:00:34low he was just created the other day

0:00:35joining me on this field trip an

0:00:38adventure are the following wonderful

0:00:40people Tony sindelar is here hello Tony

0:00:43I just that yeah are you not gonna go

0:00:46get you moved on pasture catchphrase and

0:00:48I'm i'm not a machine

0:00:49Oh fair enough John Syracuse's here

0:00:52hello John going out of order you've got

0:00:54us around the table literally and you

0:00:56just skipped well there's there's

0:00:57there's I got reasons there's moving

0:00:59microphones around all right it's like

0:01:01typing is around like around his piece

0:01:04of technology you go opposite corners

0:01:06that way all lines up by the time you

0:01:08finish we've already learned several

0:01:09lessons including you need to talk into

0:01:10the microphone or nobody can hear you

0:01:12and we're completely out of order Dan

0:01:13Morgan is also here hi Dan

0:01:15hi Jason welcome to my fine home thank

0:01:17you thank you for inviting us or for not

0:01:20turning away when we just barged in I

0:01:22tried there was no option yeah Andy and

0:01:24I know you heard earlier not talking you

0:01:25didn't hear earlier not talking into a

0:01:26microphone now he will talk into a

0:01:28microphone hello I'm sorry I'm not used

0:01:30to being in such a fine fine environment

0:01:32for podcasting as this sofas tables i'm

0:01:35usually just there within my own filth

0:01:36on your on your in Lonesome email you

0:01:39all may remember Andy from that episode

0:01:41of the uncomfortable where he said that

0:01:43the Avengers was a b-minus movie and

0:01:45everybody lost their minds I a 20-2

0:01:48literally you said b-minus b-minus the

0:01:51phrase it's a good lights on a level of

0:01:53a transformers move on thats that's what

0:01:56i think i lost my I think that was it

0:01:57matter that's what I tried to reach

0:01:59through the microphone and that doesn't

0:02:00work and serenity couples also hello

0:02:03hello i'm eating pizza right now

0:02:05well aren't we all but that's that's

0:02:07part of the fun that's part of the fun

0:02:08of of of the age of Ultron the age of

0:02:11Ultron includes pizza Ultron supports

0:02:13pizza so we saw movie it was the

0:02:15Avengers had lots of stuff in it

0:02:16anybody want to get started with some of

0:02:18their impressions about the age of

0:02:20Ultron tony do you have any thoughts

0:02:22Tony's giving me the stink eye

0:02:24do you do that all the time when I ask

0:02:26you questions and you just can't see it

0:02:27yeah you can see it that's my Jason's

0:02:29talking voice so I well I just saw it so

0:02:32I'm still processing it but i enjoyed

0:02:34it's time for a podcast about products

0:02:36concerned about putting man was you know

0:02:38it was your pretty standard exciting

0:02:39lots of CGI action movie things lots of

0:02:42robots getting destroyed so people who

0:02:44are robot may not want me this movie

0:02:47you may have you may be upset that

0:02:49trigger warning for people who love

0:02:50robots right so let's let's talk about

0:02:53that you talk about the explosions and

0:02:54things blowing up i think that might be

0:02:56a good place to start

0:02:57one of the things that struck me about

0:02:58this movie is it is it is a summer

0:03:00blockbuster economy right so there are

0:03:02lots of explosions and things but Jason

0:03:04I would say the stuff that happens in

0:03:05between the explosions is probably more

0:03:07interesting and possibly better

0:03:09that's what that's what i was going to

0:03:10get at is I i am i am happy that there

0:03:13were not give that man a microphone

0:03:15I'm happy that that there are explosions

0:03:18because movies with explosions are fun

0:03:20that said I i think the I think the

0:03:23strength of this movie that I felt was

0:03:25that I i we know these characters we've

0:03:27seen him in a lot of movies there were

0:03:29interactions that were helped by having

0:03:32a history with the characters they they

0:03:34uh there were some funny interactions or

0:03:37some interactions that I liked I I

0:03:39enjoyed that in the moments sometimes I

0:03:41see movies like this that are

0:03:42blockbusters and in the moments between

0:03:44the explosions I am just bored and

0:03:46wanted to go to the next explosion and I

0:03:48didn't feel that in this movie now Andy

0:03:50and I coach holding a microphone so he

0:03:52I'm now I see the rest of my time to him

0:03:55know i just i was i I like this more

0:03:58than I like the first movie and because

0:04:01we really were all the podcast is over

0:04:03here yeah it's not because I'm getting

0:04:06free pizza out of the people that get

0:04:07out of the first time that I saw them to

0:04:09you

0:04:09yes a little disclosure i'm in the

0:04:12pocket of deep and completing that

0:04:15yeah but yeah i did like remember that

0:04:17the one I really didn't like about the

0:04:19first one was that I was sincerely bored

0:04:21to tears two-thirds I just completely

0:04:23had checked out and friend i still think

0:04:25this movie had a lot of problems but I

0:04:27think with the reasons why i did like it

0:04:29more was that they were a lot of these

0:04:31moments where they're going to say

0:04:32there's gonna be no explosions we're

0:04:34going without without any spoilers of

0:04:35any kind

0:04:36we're gonna have a

0:04:37lot of rich scenes and which characters

0:04:38get to really get inside their own heads

0:04:40and have conversations and that's when

0:04:42this movie got really interesting for me

0:04:44yeah i agree that John what do you think

0:04:46I'm giving my opening statement but if I

0:04:48had one it would be it's a very little

0:04:51time to prepare an opening statement do

0:04:52things well I didn't realize he was

0:04:54using he was in a car is writing where r

0:04:56SS card so that blue car what i told you

0:04:59at the end of the movie is exactly what

0:05:00I felt when I was watching the movie

0:05:01this is the giant fu de zack snyder and

0:05:04Superman sounds like the beginning like

0:05:05only taken a couple of jabs at him

0:05:07actually another jab actually not

0:05:09actually the main theme of this movie

0:05:10because he's making Superman movies

0:05:12wrong let's save people in the in the in

0:05:15the cities and worry about the little

0:05:16people

0:05:17let's do it together it great yeah and

0:05:19so but I know when I was 14 and the

0:05:22second impression was that boy there are

0:05:24a lot of things this movie there's a lot

0:05:25of characters yeah a lot of things

0:05:27happen it's just a tremendous amount of

0:05:29stuff and seeing it the second time i'm

0:05:31looking at how they put it together and

0:05:32like its amazingly jandals crap in but

0:05:34at some point it's like you have too

0:05:36many characters you have too many people

0:05:38in this movie you have too many things

0:05:39taking place and I think they did an

0:05:41admirable job of sewing it all together

0:05:43but i don't know if you can sustainably

0:05:44make a really great movie with this much

0:05:47wrapping it at one point is this a

0:05:49completely different John right i mean i

0:05:51read a couple articles that that weren't

0:05:53reviews but said it's kind of like

0:05:55watching an entire season of a TV shows

0:05:57and boiled into a movie and I understand

0:06:00that the first cut of this movie was

0:06:01more than three hours long and included

0:06:04way more character stuff and they just

0:06:05cut you can't make a movie that long and

0:06:07so i can actually would like to see that

0:06:09but but at some point in the shandra you

0:06:12are selling your ticket you're selling a

0:06:13ticket in a movie theater you can't do

0:06:15the seven hour long Avengers that would

0:06:17probably be pretty good because it would

0:06:20then be a joss whedon TV show me serious

0:06:22yeah absolutely i mean i actually think

0:06:25despite the fact that this movie is

0:06:27jam-packed full of stuff they really did

0:06:29do an admirable job at making it a fun

0:06:32interesting movie to watch like I think

0:06:34about some of the other you know really

0:06:35big ensemble movies that kind of fall a

0:06:38little bit more flat on their faces or

0:06:40certain characters don't get shaded out

0:06:42or flashed and I'm like I'm looking at

0:06:44this movie and some of the characters

0:06:46that we really haven't seen get enough

0:06:47screen time

0:06:48Hawkeye being one of them actually gets

0:06:50a fully fleshed-out backstory in the

0:06:53middle of all of this insanity and I'm

0:06:55like wait how did that just have we have

0:06:57the following 12 other people were

0:06:59battling robots we have time to learn

0:07:01about like what he's like behind the bow

0:07:04and arrow like and linda cardellini when

0:07:06did she become a mom figure I remember

0:07:08when she was just a little high school

0:07:10kidding freaks and giveaways goddamn

0:07:12bargain for MVP of this movie because a

0:07:14yokai got totally unreal like he got the

0:07:16shaft in the first movie not perish oh

0:07:18thank you thank you i'll be here always

0:07:19but i think that you're told here all

0:07:21week because you think about Scylla here

0:07:24well you know it's the flipside of

0:07:26putting up you know a lot of people

0:07:27looked at daredevil on netflix and said

0:07:29like this reads like a 13 hour movie

0:07:31well obviously reads like a three-hour

0:07:32TV show right like that's kind of I

0:07:34totally agree with you Jason that this

0:07:35is kind of a different genre in that way

0:07:37and it felt like if they could convince

0:07:39stars that big and get a budget that big

0:07:41for TV they would have done it on

0:07:43teacher or netflix and maybe some point

0:07:45in the future that will be a thing

0:07:46because Netflix seems to be really

0:07:48interesting programming I don't know I

0:07:49thought maybe they should have just made

0:07:51the four hour long version and cut it

0:07:52into and sold two tickets for it that's

0:07:54the plan for the next one it's not a

0:07:55movie everyone it's not it's not a film

0:07:57right it's part of an extension like the

0:07:59Harry Potter movies which felt like

0:08:00episodes of a TV show

0:08:02yeah but the Harry Potter movies you

0:08:05they are like they are explicitly saying

0:08:07this is ace one story in seven parts and

0:08:09if you start with part one and again

0:08:10truck on through that you'll get the

0:08:11whole story

0:08:12my problem with the but my overarching

0:08:14problems with today's movie was like

0:08:16with most Marvel movies

0:08:18coherence is not their focus is not

0:08:20there there are times where i was saying

0:08:23on the way in that I would I wish there

0:08:25were a way you could buy ticket to

0:08:26adventures where I will give them fifty

0:08:28percent of whatever it would have cost

0:08:31me to buy all the tickets to all the

0:08:32other movies I need to see all the other

0:08:34dvds i need to go through to understand

0:08:37everything that's going on in this movie

0:08:39like okay so she'll doesn't exist a mark

0:08:41was Hydra and why does that not do

0:08:44anything and make feet wet with next

0:08:45theory how come he's not in ok

0:08:47it all makes sense but you do have to

0:08:49have seen captain america the winter

0:08:50soldier and investment you know they

0:08:51have like a blank check in this movie

0:08:53that's the problem like the feeling you

0:08:54get with these movies is like I really

0:08:56Jason I feel like this is unsustainable

0:08:57you can't keep doing this like this i

0:08:59think this is the limit

0:09:00it's amazing that they that's because

0:09:02the next Avengers movies going to get

0:09:03cut into alright well you're right but

0:09:06yet because it's too much stuff and the

0:09:07second because it's a blank check its

0:09:08not harry potter it's not a series of

0:09:10books as going to have an arc or

0:09:11something it's like like check Marvel

0:09:13Universe well if you look at comic books

0:09:15right that's open-ended let's go for

0:09:17hundreds of issues when you do that no

0:09:18you can't you can't absolutely

0:09:21this isn't a comic book this is a movie

0:09:23the user interfaces you will get one

0:09:25unit of entertainment for ten dollars or

0:09:26two and a half hours assignment I and

0:09:28this is what i'm saying is i like the

0:09:30ambition of it like that Marvel really

0:09:33is saying what if we push this into

0:09:35something that I mean and yes the its

0:09:37commerce to the first movement billion

0:09:38dollars but it is the ambition of like

0:09:40what if we can tell these stories over

0:09:42many many movies but it it's no longer a

0:09:45movie at that point and I i really

0:09:47enjoyed it I i think that having the

0:09:49history of seeing these characters in

0:09:50past adds to your appreciation of them

0:09:53like serenity said you know seeing

0:09:55seeing clint barton and his family

0:09:57it's he's helped by that remembering him

0:09:59in the first movie being kind of a

0:10:01zombie for most of the movie he gets a

0:10:02lot of character service at this time

0:10:03and that's really great to see and I I

0:10:06enjoyed all the characters that that's

0:10:08nothing that i will take away from this

0:10:09movie more than anything else is that

0:10:10that Joss Whedon did a really good job

0:10:13of making every moment with those people

0:10:17when they weren't blowing things up

0:10:18matter in some way and as a fan of Star

0:10:23Trek I remember like in Star Trek three

0:10:25they're like well we gotta give her

0:10:27something to do

0:10:28she'll put a guy in a closet but by

0:10:30threatening to shoot him with a phaser

0:10:31and and it's so hard to service those

0:10:34seven characters and here they have like

0:10:37a billion characters and yet somehow I

0:10:41feel like they did a decent job of

0:10:42giving them all some stuff to do and

0:10:45some funny lines and some character

0:10:47motivation and that's it that's a neat

0:10:50trick in the context i feel like this

0:10:52very similar to the first movie in the

0:10:53sense it's like it's a big corporate

0:10:55Fandango where everywhere it's got a

0:10:57million characters and how could this be

0:10:59entertaining and answers oh actually

0:11:00given this structures here did a pretty

0:11:04good job you know given the track record

0:11:05I'll call sign they're blank check more

0:11:07or less like I think it's okay to have

0:11:10the sort of open ended it goes on

0:11:11forever type of thing but I think the

0:11:12problem

0:11:13home with the Avengers as an idea as a

0:11:15franchise is that is necessarily the

0:11:17superhero movie with a whole bunch of

0:11:19superheroes in DC ever gets their

0:11:21justice league thing they'll have the

0:11:22same damn problem or x-men right next

0:11:25one I think it works better because that

0:11:26kind of their techs minutes one universe

0:11:28my family like several interactive noun

0:11:29right but you can't like the individual

0:11:32Marvel movies I like Captain America the

0:11:34individual movies better than this movie

0:11:36like all the individual ones i like i

0:11:38like better than it's like instead of

0:11:39putting all the other you less than the

0:11:41sum of the parts i'd rather see movies

0:11:42focusing on because if you have just one

0:11:43movie about Captain America get to enjoy

0:11:45captain america my seam here I like yeah

0:11:47like that guy from the movies great

0:11:49captain america but the same is true I

0:11:51don't you know I like environment he's

0:11:52great iron man and maybe I like scarlett

0:11:54johansson is a black widow too but like

0:11:56another on the same movies flowers the

0:11:59other to get up you know me like and

0:12:01that i want to see like if you want to

0:12:02do this if you want to take like hey we

0:12:03have all these great guys and movies

0:12:04let's put them in this thing without go

0:12:06together you need to do is a TV series

0:12:07you can't put them on a single movie now

0:12:09I mean they're trying to get those

0:12:10moments where they interact with each

0:12:11other because they are the stars of

0:12:13their own movies now get to interact

0:12:14with each other and that can be very

0:12:15funny Thor really was well handled in

0:12:19this movie to that you get the whole

0:12:20thing with the man he doesn't do a lot

0:12:22he gets to be quickly but he's not real

0:12:24but yeah he has no he has no arc which i

0:12:26think is ok because many of Thor's

0:12:28movies bore me to tears so that he

0:12:30introduces the ark for Avengers 3 and

0:12:33the next year's of Marvel and that's

0:12:35pretty gay to everybody I mean that is

0:12:37pretty huge an unfortunate is it is

0:12:39narrative dressing and he and someone

0:12:41has to be the person to do it but I

0:12:42think the way and that that was all set

0:12:45up was very well done where I like the

0:12:47fact that we get introduced to i forget

0:12:51what was the actual name of scarlet

0:12:52witch was her character named one yet so

0:12:55I heard assemble that we get introduced

0:12:59to a lot of few potential future events

0:13:02through windows

0:13:03I you know psychic brain alterations and

0:13:07the fact that we finally get a name for

0:13:09the Infinity stones and it's the

0:13:11infinity gems and it said and it's like

0:13:13oh yeah this is a thing

0:13:15this is dangerous heads up everybody

0:13:17remember those things that we've seen in

0:13:19previous Marvel movies this is gonna be

0:13:21a problem and then we get a mid-credits

0:13:22scene of oh yeah this is really going to

0:13:25be four

0:13:26problem you know and so I don't know I I

0:13:28feel like despite the fact that it was

0:13:30super packed every single member of the

0:13:33Avengers had a qualified arc mostly I

0:13:37mean I'm still kind of I rolling at both

0:13:41Natasha and the Hulk in terms of like I

0:13:43actually think that was very sweet i

0:13:44think the the romance ark was done very

0:13:46well but you take that out and I'm like

0:13:49okay what actually what what is

0:13:52natasha's arc here aside from a couple

0:13:54of really awesome black widow flashbacks

0:13:57now i really want that movie that's

0:13:59never gonna come because holy crap

0:14:02um that those those few moments I was

0:14:04like oh man I just yeah that would be

0:14:06beautiful but yeah and then you get

0:14:09Bruce Banner we we talk about the

0:14:11lullaby and we talked about a couple of

0:14:13other things I'm like when did all of

0:14:14this happen because I've seen all the

0:14:16movies and none of this is a thing this

0:14:17Hulk doesn't get his own movies either

0:14:19anymore now in that chance that wouldn't

0:14:21be a great movie The Black Widow Hulk

0:14:23underground we should do that mr. you

0:14:24said come between administrative netflix

0:14:26from the search the search for the Hulk

0:14:28honey I'm Hulk but you put your problem

0:14:30hakkasan movie The Hulk smash it was all

0:14:33these two of his own meets everybody's

0:14:35match you hit upon one of the things i

0:14:37like so much more about this movie the

0:14:38last 1i thought the last one that

0:14:40Natasha was sort of the 21st century

0:14:43version of a poorly drawn female

0:14:45character where she really is there to

0:14:48be strong and a Buttkicker and have no

0:14:51different no depth whatsoever and not a

0:14:53catsuit the zip up to the neck

0:14:55whereas i feel as though they real they

0:14:57they allowed her to show weakness and

0:15:00then go over her weakness and show why

0:15:02she is so good at her job you can only

0:15:04do that by throwing this character

0:15:06character into situations in which that

0:15:08you don't know if they're gonna be able

0:15:09to get out of that ok and that's

0:15:11something that was that was brand-new I

0:15:12think for this movie you can roll your

0:15:14eyes at the well okay we're prepared

0:15:16these two characters together in Tasha's

0:15:18expressing romantic feelings for Bruce

0:15:20Banner but but it was the what was good

0:15:25about it is it was a pathway into some

0:15:27character understanding for the Black

0:15:28Widow which I really liked where she

0:15:30says you're the guy who tries not to

0:15:33kill people and everybody else I know

0:15:35tries to kill people

0:15:36I like to have

0:15:37her like in the captain america movie in

0:15:39particular Winter Soldier she was laid

0:15:41off as like her whole thing in the

0:15:42beginning was like he playing you or is

0:15:44she not can you trust her if you're

0:15:46really on Nixon very secret mission over

0:15:48here in this movie she was allowed to be

0:15:49vulnerable like for the first time where

0:15:51you where you didn't think the movie was

0:15:52trying to fool you into thinking that

0:15:54she wasn't really like it was legitimate

0:15:55and what she had was doubts about her

0:15:57job like maybe I could go live someplace

0:15:59else and not kill people for a living

0:16:01and talking about how you know that fact

0:16:04that she couldn't have kids made her

0:16:05think well I guess I'd better just

0:16:06killed you know that's there are two of

0:16:07them are like you know we should blow

0:16:09this popsicle stand like that we don't

0:16:10want to be in the Avengers anymore

0:16:12they're their particular down and drama

0:16:14is private from everybody else which i

0:16:16like more or less and that it involves

0:16:18something non-superhero it's like you

0:16:20know this is my grave knowing i saving

0:16:21the world i also like that we spent so

0:16:23much time in this case with the two

0:16:24normal human characters right both Black

0:16:28Widow and Hawkeye get a lot of screen

0:16:30time and a lot of story and both of them

0:16:33were under utilized in the first movie

0:16:35and we've seen at the standalone movies

0:16:37for iron man and for Captain America and

0:16:40forth or and so in some ways it's ok if

0:16:43they don't get as much screen time

0:16:44because i started going to because Tony

0:16:46Stark is always going to be the prima

0:16:47donna and but it's nice to see the

0:16:50characters who don't get their own films

0:16:52we actually get a while urgent

0:16:54screentime kind of felt like this was

0:16:57the first time that Black Widow and

0:16:59Hawkeye get to have basically wants and

0:17:01needs and are just being sent places by

0:17:03Nick Fury yeah you know like they get to

0:17:05actually do stuff and have interested

0:17:07turns out you know Quinn's been doing

0:17:08stuff on the side for a long time that

0:17:09now we have to find out about that he's

0:17:11not just I'm being sent places by Nick

0:17:13very Island arrow and explains his his

0:17:15loyalty to Nick Fury to that is like

0:17:17it's that he's at this thing out in the

0:17:19country and that that seen as it is it

0:17:21is important dramatic structural thing

0:17:23right that is the they get their butts

0:17:24kicked they have to recede and lick

0:17:27their wounds and think about what

0:17:28they've done and then realize they've

0:17:30got a new plan of attack and and uh I

0:17:32like that I like that scene and I like

0:17:34the fact that the Hawkeye is a has a

0:17:37family and all that in there i also like

0:17:38that it's the it's that disconnected

0:17:40like we can literally can't be

0:17:42superheroes right now we just need to be

0:17:44people mr and yeah and I thought that

0:17:46was I thought that was fun and effective

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0:19:16all right now normally i read that and

0:19:19then people just keep talking but now

0:19:20we've had a pause so I have to I have to

0:19:22throw something else out there did

0:19:23people have more of a topic i judge john

0:19:26siracusa please give us your topic

0:19:27that's what i meant to say all line

0:19:28Johnson says there's a lot of this is a

0:19:30big movie a lot of stuff and a lot of

0:19:31the movie talk about mechanically and

0:19:33one part i was interested in is how they

0:19:36do the action scene out how they shoot

0:19:38them and I've been watching a lot of

0:19:42YouTube videos from people about doing

0:19:44actions different ways and what do you

0:19:45guys think of the actions you how

0:19:47personal how would you categorize these

0:19:48and in the continuum of like old style

0:19:51movie vs modern shaky-cam versus a

0:19:54million cuts horrible i thought the

0:19:57action scenes were mostly terrible

0:19:59there's no sense for me there was no

0:20:01sense of rhythm or flow there's no sense

0:20:03of geography

0:20:04there was no sense of purpose to the

0:20:06scenes was basically explosion sexual

0:20:09aspect explosion of special-effects so

0:20:11many times my neurological reaction was

0:20:14to basically put both my hands up just

0:20:16like Huh What

0:20:17okay so who's shooting what women had a

0:20:19black widow get there but I just I was

0:20:21just so lost by a lot of the special a

0:20:24lot of the action see I don't think

0:20:25they're well we'll handle it all

0:20:26I I don't think in some ways I don't

0:20:28think they were quite as good as the

0:20:29first movie in terms of the way that

0:20:30they were shot and like the mechanics of

0:20:32them some of them are quite spectacular

0:20:33and I i did not have nearly as negative

0:20:36impression of things and you did but i

0:20:37do think that at sometimes it was hard

0:20:40to follow some of the action because it

0:20:42felt like there are a lot of cuts there

0:20:43was i I give you heard there was the

0:20:45geography and sometimes did feel a

0:20:46little bit lacking from that right from

0:20:48that opening fight all the way through

0:20:50the last one last one is is obviously

0:20:52weird because you'd like a gigantic

0:20:54set-piece right that's like all right

0:20:55last time we did in New York City now

0:20:57we're doing like this gigantic like

0:20:58floating Rock you know so i felt that

0:21:02got geography was a lot clearer in the

0:21:04floating Rock I felt like yeah it's that

0:21:06was down a little and there were some

0:21:07very clear provocative action happening

0:21:09out that I didn't feel earlier in the

0:21:10film where with the problem is you know

0:21:13Ultron is and we can maybe talk about

0:21:15Ultron a little bit

0:21:16Ultron is a collection of robots and

0:21:20collective noun and obvious obviously

0:21:22has some of his earlier perhaps robots

0:21:25were not very good because they can like

0:21:27shoot them a couple of times and they

0:21:29die they're like zombies or

0:21:30stormtroopers exactly think they're

0:21:32based on stormtrooper technology because

0:21:34so do you have like a Hawkeye punching

0:21:36an Ultron robot in the face and oh my

0:21:37god destroyed a bunch of the face by hum

0:21:40yeah yeah so my kind Barton punches you

0:21:43in the face you're going down my friend

0:21:44but I felt like I felt like we haven't

0:21:47earned the title of Ultron man if I had

0:21:50destroyed the planet five times over

0:21:51because we want realities you Andy yeah

0:21:53so it's over so far anyway I did feel

0:21:57like being on the floating rock was a

0:21:58little bit clearer

0:21:59yeah i mean it was unclear although it

0:22:01did take me about five to ten minutes

0:22:03into that fight to realize that they

0:22:04were all on the floating rock and some

0:22:06of them were on the city below which is

0:22:08what I initially thought it happened

0:22:09because there was a hole i can remember

0:22:11if it was Captain America or someone was

0:22:13like alright those of you on the ground

0:22:14do that

0:22:15yes and I I think eventually it was oh

0:22:18yeah because I was little I there too

0:22:20because there was a hardware they were

0:22:21evacuating the city but then there seem

0:22:24to still be tons of people in the center

0:22:26of the city right is already over the

0:22:27religious center

0:22:28didn't you have a scene where you want

0:22:30to alleviate here from there and you

0:22:32literally take part of the ground and

0:22:33rip it out you would think that would be

0:22:34the easiest way and yet haven't seen

0:22:36this movie twice i can tell you it's

0:22:37confusing

0:22:38who's on what side of the thing and who

0:22:40like I don't know how they managed to

0:22:41blow that because that's the easy one

0:22:42also by the way when you have a health

0:22:43carrier and you're trying to evacuate a

0:22:46a floating Rock what you do is you move

0:22:48the helicarriers of close-up are looking

0:22:51like landscape you move it like the

0:22:53landing strip right up and butt up and

0:22:54then you have the superfast guy just

0:22:56move everybody right on like on a little

0:22:58loading dock you don't send really tired

0:23:01now you don't send really delicate

0:23:02little like hover parties back and forth

0:23:04no no you don't have pictures page of

0:23:07logistics since we're talking about this

0:23:09thing though and we brought up before

0:23:11about how much of it seemed to be like a

0:23:13middle finger towards towards the

0:23:15superman movie I kind of dislike I kind

0:23:19of just like their approach for opposite

0:23:21reasons that where Superman is we're

0:23:23gonna tear down this entire building and

0:23:25we're not gonna care like what was

0:23:26inside it and there's there is an actual

0:23:28shot scene in which oh my God look at

0:23:31that 10-story building to scan for

0:23:32life-forms there's only three people in

0:23:34there and they're all home together

0:23:35fully consider them and we're not going

0:23:37we're not going to let this floating

0:23:38city destroyed until we get every last

0:23:40person of these thousand people only but

0:23:42there's one kid we need to get we missed

0:23:44one kid

0:23:45yes so you know IIF it's very

0:23:48unrealistic but I actually we watching

0:23:52this movie and i have seen those Exner

0:23:53film but are not the next is home but

0:23:55the the previous Superman I don't

0:23:58necessarily think it's so much a nephew

0:24:00to Superman as I think all of the

0:24:02Avengers have PTSD from what happened to

0:24:04New York but there that's that's where

0:24:07that's what i was getting the major vibe

0:24:08from that especially start especially

0:24:10well yeah well yes Tony Stark has quite

0:24:12a visual PS PTSD which we see both in

0:24:16this movie in another movies but I I

0:24:18really feel like the impetus to like no

0:24:21one dies today you know the Doctor Who

0:24:24style vibe is very much

0:24:26because they're all very aware of how

0:24:29the world sees them post new york i have

0:24:32to say um and this is a one of the

0:24:35reasons i like a movie like Cloverfield

0:24:37is that I felt like it was the it was

0:24:38the first really look like a post-911

0:24:40Godzilla movie and was like what happens

0:24:43when you blow up buildings we know now

0:24:45and it's not all fun

0:24:47I i feel like the 10-story construction

0:24:50site for the that they that they plowed

0:24:52into with Ultron I thought that was a

0:24:55little too close to home that was

0:24:56basically a 911 everything doesn't cloud

0:24:59and everything see that in the movie

0:25:01though here's the delicious was on the

0:25:02nose like exactly 11 but like you said

0:25:05we do we know how that what that looks

0:25:07like now so if the script says that they

0:25:09collapsed building the people who make

0:25:11moving on

0:25:12alright well let me know when others

0:25:13that we know what class building looks

0:25:14like it's not like 911 it's like a

0:25:16collapsed building but the problem is

0:25:17your only even need the big pile of dust

0:25:20you could have made it like the rubble

0:25:21when they could have been a little

0:25:22different instead it was minding the

0:25:24imagery of exactly what it is maybe it

0:25:26feels it feels emotionally manipulative

0:25:28yeah the way they did that to the point

0:25:30about the no casualties thing i think

0:25:31particularly we also see and this is a

0:25:33running theme i think a lot of this is

0:25:35that captain america is solidified his

0:25:37position as the actual leader of the

0:25:39team and that's very much a captain

0:25:41america thing right like he's the palate

0:25:42and he is the waffle good guy was going

0:25:44to save everybody and I think that's a

0:25:47big part of why they're so dead it you

0:25:49know determined to get all those people

0:25:51often say captain said this is what

0:25:52we're going to do we do this thing and

0:25:53I'm the boss

0:25:54that's a Hollywood movie thing to the

0:25:56shore but it looks like it works because

0:25:57Captain America is like is like a

0:25:59trouble when all the Super's I'm like a

0:26:00Western interior even going to actually

0:26:02like the original superman is like look

0:26:04you can't realistically speaking you

0:26:06can't show them saying everybody and

0:26:07realistically you can't save everybody

0:26:09but very frequently especially the old

0:26:10Superman movies our prototype for like

0:26:11superhero movies that are not terrible

0:26:14they would show him saving a slopes

0:26:16subset of people in the same way that

0:26:18movie compresses down real-time into

0:26:20like this connects sequence they

0:26:21condense the idea of saving everybody

0:26:23down to saving one or two and you can

0:26:25quibble about a special have a whole

0:26:26city is like book you save three people

0:26:28on that elevator

0:26:29how many people died when you crash into

0:26:31the building even see all that racket is

0:26:33like that's why I feel like it so much

0:26:34of it is

0:26:35the message was directed at zack snyder

0:26:37or the audience and his hands fisted and

0:26:39it's silly but like that's the message

0:26:40of trying to send it construct this

0:26:41movie to say it's super important to try

0:26:44to not kill innocent civilians when

0:26:46you're running around super hyper every

0:26:48gold and we're gonna do it in a

0:26:49ham-fisted way but that's also remembers

0:26:51about only whatever doing with saving

0:26:52cats out of trees and in cash and women

0:26:54and doing stuff I I don't have felt it

0:26:56was a little bit of a disconnect with

0:26:57the first scene when the resulting the

0:26:59hydro bunker and like that I yeah well

0:27:02apparently they don't count they work

0:27:03for hydro even though probably a lot of

0:27:05them probably just recruited from that

0:27:06town is there blowing stuff up and

0:27:08throwing motorcycles at things and

0:27:10bunkers are exploding and Captain

0:27:11America shooting pulse beams at

0:27:13everybody and like a lot of people got

0:27:15hurt like yeah captain america's like we

0:27:17don't kill people it's like I saw you

0:27:18mean like you and people were never

0:27:20gonna walk again because you're a metal

0:27:21sealed at them when I guess they're bad

0:27:23good people but in it that's tricky

0:27:25because it's like I mean those guys were

0:27:26sealed until like a couple months the

0:27:28couple and you you wait in the same

0:27:30cafeteria thing is how you do you know

0:27:33and and and the interesting thing about

0:27:35that those opening scenes which you have

0:27:37a show shots in which you know the irony

0:27:40the iron force drop sponsored research

0:27:42engineer please move along we will be

0:27:43proud to and the citizens like you're

0:27:45idiots and play centers that there's

0:27:47graffiti with like pictures of graffiti

0:27:50essential guard of iron man with dollar

0:27:52signs mark over his head and part of it

0:27:54part of me was wondering i hope they go

0:27:56into something where again I'm the

0:27:58outsider here i have not seen most of

0:28:00the other movies or the TV shows but

0:28:02like isn't that interesting that there's

0:28:04it's sort of like when after world war

0:28:06two when both the Russians in the united

0:28:08states were trying to round up Nazi

0:28:09scientists 24 therefore rocket programs

0:28:11it's like why are we supposed to assume

0:28:14that Baron Strucker of a character that

0:28:16I don't know from this movie is not a

0:28:19better caretaker of this mystical object

0:28:21why we're assuming that the Avengers

0:28:22should be having it's because he's got a

0:28:24monocle on it you know Monica ok

0:28:2714 p park ourselves model so you don't

0:28:29remember the first thing we're there

0:28:31assaulting the base just felt it felt

0:28:33like very like GI joe like we want tons

0:28:35of explosions and laser blasts whatever

0:28:37but everybody is okay and like and even

0:28:40there's something about that Jeep it's

0:28:41like they're gonna sell that cheap

0:28:42that's gonna fit perfectly with the

0:28:43action was well it feels a lot like the

0:28:46first captain america movie at times to

0:28:49where it's like oh yeah we're storming

0:28:50the not only knocks Nazis are bad yeah

0:28:52exactly

0:28:53we don't care about the Nazis but no

0:28:54Andy to your point I actually when they

0:28:56when they go into that the Avengers go

0:28:58home and then we get a little bit in

0:29:00terms of scarlet witch and her brother

0:29:02with the oh yeah

0:29:05stark bomb came in and you know killed

0:29:07our parents and nearly killed us like

0:29:09that's the thing that I wish i'm sure

0:29:12they shot it i'm sure it exists in the

0:29:14latter part of the movie but like they

0:29:17already they have their pivotal switch

0:29:19when basically she discovers what

0:29:21Ultron's plenty to do and that's awesome

0:29:24but what I really would have liked to

0:29:25see is the dynamic between her basically

0:29:28facing the the man that she has blamed

0:29:31for killing her parents and kill you

0:29:32know destroying her way of life for for

0:29:3420 years and that would be interesting

0:29:37to me that that's where we get back to

0:29:38main complaint of focus that they can

0:29:40that's such an interesting thing to

0:29:42explore throughout the movie but we're

0:29:43going to mention it but we're moving on

0:29:45yeah well I think it's clear that he you

0:29:47know I appreciate the joss whedon put

0:29:49that in there right and and I think that

0:29:51because i think that that is a good

0:29:52element and i suspect that it was paid

0:29:56on and there's no runs no errors no

0:29:58reason you've got a little shorthand for

0:30:00a lot of things rather than a few more

0:30:02fewer things more with more data

0:30:04everybody's arc has one of these things

0:30:05attached to it Tony Stark's are because

0:30:07attached to his passes an arms dealer

0:30:09and Thor's r is as much as it is

0:30:11attached to his life together creating a

0:30:12ruler and everything and to go and

0:30:14pooling why don't have enough read and

0:30:16you don't move into those lines means

0:30:18you have that one line from Ultron about

0:30:20Captain America where it's like the guy

0:30:22who always needs a war to fight and like

0:30:23to tony's point about identity that was

0:30:25his arcane yeah they're like what we

0:30:27already saw that in the first like the

0:30:28winter soldier is basically the better

0:30:30version of that flushed out it's like I

0:30:32just remind you where we were

0:30:33we're so this guy's very complacent they

0:30:35could do an entire movie with a kind of

0:30:37sort of did I didn't see three but they

0:30:39wanted to talking about Tony Stark his

0:30:41guilt is an arms dealer and the

0:30:42repercussions of like but it's just it's

0:30:43too much to fit in this movie and

0:30:45speaking of the GI Joe assault and in

0:30:46the opening set piece that's it wrapped

0:30:48around back to the how I felt like the

0:30:50action scenes were in this one I'm of

0:30:54two minds and one I totally agree that

0:30:56there they did not do a great job of

0:30:58keeping track of everything it's

0:30:59difficult to whatever but what I really

0:31:00like with the scenes believe in our they

0:31:02went all watchman and tried to do a

0:31:03comic book panel like every once in a

0:31:05while they try to accomplish by stop the

0:31:07style is where everybody syncs up and

0:31:08it's a slow motion or everybody's in a

0:31:10moment and every time I did it I was

0:31:12like you know what comes up like I mean

0:31:14watchman may have to overcome over

0:31:15whenever music swells in your life

0:31:17superheroes or superhero team of

0:31:19superheroes doing things together I

0:31:20don't think they overdid it i think was

0:31:21five but the rest of the scenes around

0:31:23that I felt like that better than

0:31:24Avengers 1 in terms of keeping track of

0:31:26where things were for the most part a

0:31:28couple of fumbles but like so many

0:31:30moving parts like it so much easier to

0:31:31do fight scenes captain america 2

0:31:32because one guy one bad guy

0:31:34cool track even in Avengers where the

0:31:36only fight scene that involves all of

0:31:37them is the last one right like so

0:31:38everything leading up to that point is

0:31:39like smaller groups of people like Thor

0:31:41and Captain America and Iron Man

0:31:43fighting in one scene and you're like

0:31:45yeah I was a couple small things seem

0:31:46like they tried working as a team that

0:31:48combine their powers can do interesting

0:31:49things together they did all the things

0:31:51that we have to do for for I just don't

0:31:53know if a team of super superhero movies

0:31:55can work or maybe I don't know if a team

0:31:56of superhero movies can be better than

0:31:58adventures 2 and singers to was bad but

0:32:00I feel like there's a ceiling on ya know

0:32:02that that's why we said this for the

0:32:03last movie to that I feel like almost

0:32:05the praise is given the constraints they

0:32:10did a pretty good job at the constraints

0:32:12are brutal because it's just it's too

0:32:13much stuff too much has to be serviced

0:32:15you gotta move the future movies along

0:32:17you've got a service the past movies you

0:32:19got to give everybody their moment and

0:32:20you have to blow things up & what slime

0:32:22in this lady doesn't rely he flesh out

0:32:24here a hundred and twenty-five percent

0:32:26already and you haven't even started uh

0:32:29I think that's only true i had i didn't

0:32:32like the first out of the first action

0:32:35sequence was fine i think the problem is

0:32:37they were like ECG right off the bat

0:32:39they not great

0:32:41the purpose of that scene is to set them

0:32:44i mean literally and there are a few

0:32:46other things you introduce the

0:32:47Scarlet Witch and stuff and and

0:32:48Quicksilver it and hydro blah blah blah

0:32:52from previous entries they're working as

0:32:53a team and they're really good at and

0:32:55and your you but here's the thing

0:32:57it's it's long it's hard fought that

0:33:00it's complicated and and yes we get to

0:33:03see the Avengers in business again but

0:33:04the point is really to make the

0:33:06victorious so that they can go and

0:33:07celebrate and have the rug pulled out

0:33:10from under them by Ultron that's the

0:33:12point of that scene as you have them do

0:33:13that first scene so that everybody's

0:33:15feeling good and then they get brought

0:33:17down to earth and the problem is the

0:33:19scene goes on too long for that was like

0:33:21I said I wanted movie yeah i wanted i

0:33:23wanted like a like a super shiny almost

0:33:26like easy Avengers victory where they

0:33:28roll in and they're like we're so

0:33:29awesome so that they're even hikers

0:33:31clink gets injured and I gotta take it

0:33:33back

0:33:33I almost wanted them to just like

0:33:34totally dominate and have structure and

0:33:37and the and the two other other you know

0:33:40the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver like

0:33:42like a runaway then uh and be just

0:33:45destroyed by the Avengers like they just

0:33:48dominated that would have actually I

0:33:50think been better for the movie because

0:33:51it would be shorter and it would have

0:33:53made them up even higher in their

0:33:55estimation of themselves and they would

0:33:57have further to fall and instead they

0:33:59felt like they had to do another like

0:34:00almost like a climax to a different

0:34:02movie to start this movie and a movie

0:34:05doesn't really start until Ultron

0:34:06appears so it was like a wasted 20

0:34:08minutes to and the reason that seems so

0:34:10long as we go back to what they were

0:34:11doing is the head to reintroduce every

0:34:13damn character what their hours are what

0:34:14their relationships are to each other

0:34:15like half of that scene was like

0:34:17remember this person and remember

0:34:18however their relationship with this

0:34:19person was in this person this is their

0:34:21power and you know you say it's two

0:34:23constraints the movie against Jason is

0:34:25pointing out like packing the

0:34:26seven-person team into a movie is really

0:34:27hard when you can't count on the fact

0:34:29that ok you know all these guys from the

0:34:31last one but i really did that like

0:34:32imagine so this movie had so many moving

0:34:34parts and they lean so heavily on the

0:34:36fact that you know these people are just

0:34:37reminding you usein Avengers one right

0:34:39guys like they didn't have to spend the

0:34:41time to remind you to tell you whose

0:34:42characters are there's no origin stories

0:34:44for anybody it's like just just sort of

0:34:46previously on Avengers that previously

0:34:47on Avengers takes 20 minutes now

0:34:49yeah you know and previously on Avengers

0:34:50and agents of shield and Captain America

0:34:52like just reminding you how all these

0:34:53bees like and if you caught up on agents

0:34:55of shield they even have a times with

0:34:57that it's like manly started a protocol

0:35:00yeah

0:35:00unite it actually that's that's one

0:35:02thing side note for people who are

0:35:04watching agents of shield that is

0:35:05something where I'm kind of like at the

0:35:07end of this movie what what what does

0:35:09this leave for the television show

0:35:10Avengers Academy I don't know but yeah I

0:35:14i really wish they had done a shorter

0:35:17fight sequence I feel like a lot of that

0:35:19was superfluous especially because you

0:35:21do get hints of that you get the the

0:35:23henchmen being like but they're the

0:35:25Avengers boss what do you want to do and

0:35:28I'm good

0:35:29never surrender I'm going to surrender

0:35:30yeah I'll surrender you know that they

0:35:34put it where I keep thinking about times

0:35:38we're evaluating software and hardware

0:35:39and you can see a lot of good ideas in

0:35:42there but they're just too many ideas

0:35:43crammed in there and a lot of complaints

0:35:45that I'm making a couple other people

0:35:47see me making is that we don't we don't

0:35:50need this many fight scenes we don't

0:35:51need these many details and but the

0:35:53thing is these are choices that the

0:35:55filmmaker chose to make maybe with

0:35:56pressures from outside about here the

0:35:58commercial things we have to do to make

0:36:00this work with a larger universe but it

0:36:02really is i if you I think you can make

0:36:04a really good superhero team movie work

0:36:05but you have to decide that you've got

0:36:07seven moving pieces on the field that

0:36:09means that if we get with we have 100

0:36:12units of the audience's attention at the

0:36:15start of the movie we have to spend

0:36:16those why so we're gonna give we're not

0:36:18going to have aliens are trying to take

0:36:20over the entire world we're gonna say

0:36:22there is actually a subtle plot at hand

0:36:24that we have to figure out that's not

0:36:25going to be terribly complicated for us

0:36:27to figure out but it's a big planet and

0:36:30we can figure out which three people are

0:36:31actually involved in this and that gives

0:36:33you the ability to have two people off

0:36:35on 11 mission doing one thing three

0:36:37people often another mission one person

0:36:39thing behind to take care of other

0:36:41things it really is just seems like

0:36:42they're overloading the seven

0:36:44yeah I'm surprised we haven't talked

0:36:45more about Ultron because I feel like he

0:36:48gets kind of crowded out and it's like

0:36:49his name's in a little bit in the

0:36:51settlement I was gonna guess you can say

0:36:53since I was talking about the arson

0:36:54Iran's kind of anticipating being really

0:36:56excited about Ultron but and you know

0:36:59there are some parts of him that are

0:37:00amusing but he does kind of feel like

0:37:01it's kind of crowded out and I felt like

0:37:03there are a lot of times where I did not

0:37:04really understand why he was doing what

0:37:07he was doing his bow he was doing it I

0:37:09didn't I even when they then use the you

0:37:12know

0:37:13the gym to help with vision I was then

0:37:14confused where Ultron came from

0:37:17um because I thought enable the center

0:37:19he has a hand wavy origin anyway yeah

0:37:21it's not this device inside is a

0:37:24malevolent robot guy was right as well

0:37:26yeah I mean I got that he is an evil

0:37:28robot guy he wants everyone dead right

0:37:30Robin and I think but not we're gonna

0:37:32have this really nice but you know what

0:37:33i like about the voice acting on him was

0:37:35exciting

0:37:36I thought he was gonna be this

0:37:37charismatic villain that was gonna be

0:37:39really interesting but really he's just

0:37:40an evil robot at with many other evil

0:37:42robot standing behind him for when he

0:37:44gets knocked his plan was good I liked

0:37:46this point this plan this wedding was

0:37:48awesome as winners good right here state

0:37:49to a meteor unix is obvious option they

0:37:51handle that by saying he wants the nukes

0:37:53that was his plan he couldn't get to it

0:37:54right second plan pretty good plan if

0:37:57you want to worry about humans in the

0:37:58grand scheme of things it's better than

0:38:00like you know everyone's faucets are

0:38:01going to shoot fire my frakking United

0:38:05would not watch it a very politically

0:38:07Avengers 3 that's about the dangers of

0:38:09fracking so they're building to that

0:38:11with Skye's power is going to be yeah

0:38:14oh god I know you know it actually

0:38:17bringing up all trans brings up my few

0:38:19potholes with this film which is

0:38:21basically like I don't understand like

0:38:23as much as I love tony stark in iron man

0:38:25i don't understand how iron man operates

0:38:27one cent Ultron comes online or Veronica

0:38:29or any of that like Ultron de I you know

0:38:33conceivably goes into the internet and

0:38:35then controls all things from their own

0:38:37element but that hasn't he's having the

0:38:39planet but then Tony's like Jarvis's

0:38:41m.i.a but Tony Stark can still you know

0:38:43use all of his things and maybe I mean

0:38:45we we find out later that Jarvis has

0:38:47basically been disseminated but kind of

0:38:49in stealth mode and still like tweaking

0:38:51things under the hood

0:38:52maybe Jarvis was subconsciously doing

0:38:55all of these things but still like

0:38:57there's that and then Tony Stark uploads

0:38:59a new a new AI and his new AI can't be

0:39:03corrupted apparently but you yet

0:39:05uploaded a new AI until we've got them

0:39:07like there's a there's some hand-waving

0:39:09going on there in terms of technology

0:39:11which is odd because i found the lake

0:39:13they do such a good job of acknowledging

0:39:15other potential plot holes where it's

0:39:18like the link and the nitrogen they're

0:39:19like let's bring up exactly why this

0:39:21wouldn't work at that the plot holes

0:39:23that they don't acknowledge or just feel

0:39:25kind of blatant

0:39:26refusing to me i think i think this is

0:39:28the least explicable fall for me of the

0:39:31movie where you have his name is in the

0:39:34title you're creating a brand new

0:39:35character brand new villain and he's

0:39:37gonna be motivating everything that

0:39:38happens and at the end of the movie all

0:39:41i could think of is that the treehouse

0:39:43of horror which there's the evil crusty

0:39:45go here we go there's a switch for good

0:39:46or evil be switched him to evil he has

0:39:49to have better motivation than i'm just

0:39:51an evil robot and I have to wipe out all

0:39:53of humanity

0:39:54why because I'm not even close he needs

0:39:57more motivation to my boys when I don't

0:39:59like motivation is that it's the

0:40:00misplace motivation of and they don't

0:40:02say it explicitly having and that's part

0:40:04of the problem is the misplaced

0:40:04motivation is the only way to get humans

0:40:06stop killing each other just kill all

0:40:07know that's like that'sthat's like going

0:40:10for the tripe of I'm of like this isn't

0:40:12this isn't his but this isn't about

0:40:13Marvel but uses the the truth about I'm

0:40:16a robot but i really want to be a real

0:40:18live human okay we've seen that a

0:40:20thousand times you have to add depth

0:40:22that you have to say okay but why does

0:40:24he think that this is the choice

0:40:25why is his motivation to solve this

0:40:27problem this way why do we not get a

0:40:29scene in which he tries to investigate

0:40:31mobile

0:40:32ok so I'm here time here to basically

0:40:34get humans to be better

0:40:37boy that felt boy I can't talk to these

0:40:38people why look at these transcripts of

0:40:40these things like no I've suddenly

0:40:41instead decided that we have to kill

0:40:43it's almost like it's the shorthand of

0:40:45like what we've seen all those movies so

0:40:46we know that that would never so like

0:40:47this isn't it

0:40:48we're still working harder they're not

0:40:50it's not easy he does get crowded and

0:40:52james spader does a good job and the

0:40:54dialogue when he's on 44 Avengers movies

0:40:57like can we do something that adds depth

0:40:59and character or here's a quip well

0:41:01right now because i'm sure more than

0:41:03with shorter lips are the quips are good

0:41:05the clips are good and actually that's

0:41:07what I like Ultron is that Ultron's like

0:41:09you know he has any and the Duke lips

0:41:12are serving the purpose of saying he's

0:41:14way ahead of you right and I'll i enjoy

0:41:16i enjoy that icing up landing tastes

0:41:19like a lot of robots would be yeah

0:41:21isn't robotics plans realize you're not

0:41:23a straight and Jarvis has a personality

0:41:25and then all of a sudden you know

0:41:27Jarvis light is gone into the vision and

0:41:28all of this and the vision is like

0:41:29humanity is such a strange and you

0:41:31Johnny Chan Ultron robot or not gonna go

0:41:36with not on the haha yeah but like yeah

0:41:39it's on it's on character for an AI to

0:41:42make decisions really quickly and only

0:41:43have to explain them later and i Ken and

0:41:45he's right this is a total trope anyway

0:41:47I given any task to like save anything

0:41:49having to do with humans always goes

0:41:51through this thing make sure the file

0:41:52footage from the eighties of missiles

0:41:54going off and they go the only way to

0:41:55save the humans you are the problem of

0:41:57the plan you keep fighting each other

0:41:58fighting to get rid of you all the birds

0:41:59and the bees would just be all we were

0:42:01the monster all-around no other living

0:42:03thing on the planet would kill each

0:42:04other several all the Predators and

0:42:05other prey animals but nevermind it's

0:42:07fine you know like but anybody that is a

0:42:09truck but he but they don't show you any

0:42:11of that and I think it's precisely

0:42:12because we've seen so many other times

0:42:13student comes into being he's already

0:42:15made that this is well and he's already

0:42:16out what they do off-screen that I

0:42:18actually kind of like is that he says

0:42:19yeah I'm kind of past that now it's like

0:42:22I'm embracing the fact that i'm going to

0:42:24just take over and be evil and I'm gonna

0:42:26be I'm gonna be the new life for you my

0:42:28love interest ideas you know what he

0:42:31might it's true i thought it was a fun

0:42:32character but it doesn't necessarily

0:42:33make a lot of sense but it was a fun

0:42:35character enjoyed Spader I enjoyed the

0:42:37quips i enjoyed him being smarter and

0:42:41sorted out Tony starking Tony Stark I

0:42:43thought that was all really good so

0:42:45that's the thing that actually that that

0:42:47potentially excited me about Ultron is

0:42:50that they went they have this potential

0:42:51unexplored path where they hint at

0:42:54several times through the movie which is

0:42:55basically Ultron is more Tony Stark than

0:42:58either Tony Stark or Ultron would like

0:43:00to admit

0:43:01and it sends him into an absolute rage

0:43:03both first and jarvis and second he

0:43:05tears that blows that guy's arm off when

0:43:07he's like your intensity Tony yeah

0:43:09that's a Tony Stark har har

0:43:11there's claw that's clock Claus a bad

0:43:14guy in Marvel and he's gotta like a

0:43:16little ray gun owners arms

0:43:18totally as a result of a Menominee

0:43:20there's apparently a Marvel thing

0:43:21wherein all the facebook movie someone

0:43:23loses an arm as an homage to start worse

0:43:25like that is apparently kevin can fake

0:43:27you really like Star Wars but of course

0:43:29no arm but if but no call for any circus

0:43:32for acer eraser gets one soon frustrated

0:43:36though because again there are there are

0:43:38such hints of like this complex awesome

0:43:40character and Ultron and I would've

0:43:42loved a dichotomy of like Tony Stark you

0:43:46built a you built a robot to

0:43:47intentionally try and replace yourself

0:43:49and here is weak we get that comparison

0:43:51later in the movie right it's like both

0:43:53of them don't you know say they want

0:43:55peace and they have no idea how do you

0:43:57know whether pieces to make the world

0:43:58you know calm or destroy it and like

0:44:01that that would have been really

0:44:03interesting and their events in the

0:44:05movie yeah but it's not but it and I can

0:44:08be made this point earlier which is its

0:44:10you full credit for putting the bits

0:44:12that are in the movie but also demerit

0:44:14for stuffing it so full that you can

0:44:17actually get to the weekend we're not

0:44:18we're not were not entitled to know the

0:44:20process but I mean that's its 02

0:44:23I'm not I I can't fault a movie if I

0:44:25think of a better story going on that

0:44:28they're not telling but nonetheless

0:44:29sometimes that happens and that's I was

0:44:31thinking the exact same thing that you

0:44:32have Ultron that's doing the exact same

0:44:34thing that Tony Stark is doing saying

0:44:36what I'm i'm going to reshape the planet

0:44:38in a way that's better for everybody i

0:44:40don't have to ask anybody how to do it

0:44:42because I've got the plan and they don't

0:44:43have the plan

0:44:44you only get in my way and that would

0:44:46put a fascinating movie that would have

0:44:47been awkward for formats like what a

0:44:49fascinating movie if they'd sort of

0:44:50picked up on the fact that the rest of

0:44:52the Avengers are like okay why did you

0:44:54not tell us you created this planetary

0:44:56threat oh come on to the next thing it's

0:44:58like again LOL others the last time i

0:45:00was there is nothing but you guys really

0:45:02fast but again if they can't get

0:45:03distracted so that the movie gets

0:45:05distracted from every ideas so quickly

0:45:07that there's just no time to really

0:45:09steep and hey guys and as much as I like

0:45:12Ultron I do feel like a lot of times

0:45:14when it's like when Ultron was like

0:45:15having scenes focused around cameras

0:45:17like yes go back to the Avengers they're

0:45:19more interesting it's like he couldn't

0:45:20you couldn't give him the time that was

0:45:21due and as we talked about all the other

0:45:23characters his mouth is

0:45:24made of metal but his lips been if they

0:45:26do leave Matt explain it's made of

0:45:29liquid metal shielding so hard at those

0:45:31placing now are they saying they're

0:45:32segmented place that gives the effect of

0:45:34flexibility and then when you're

0:45:36distracting at magnuson argument really

0:45:38getting on with our four magnets

0:45:40powerfully think you're talking about

0:45:42Ultron like how awesome he could be

0:45:43house you're describing a good sci-fi

0:45:45movie there's no room in this movie

0:45:47accident like you don't like this just

0:45:49like you we want more out of the

0:45:50Avengers long as I can we just get rid

0:45:52of all this is a pretty sure he jumped

0:45:54straight to kill all humans though

0:45:55because they could have taken because

0:45:57it's called age of Ultron they could

0:45:58have taken 20-minute time to show him

0:46:00being friendly and helpful and then he

0:46:02starts killing people like you should

0:46:03not kill people and they actually I'm

0:46:05gonna kill more people but it's like

0:46:06there's no time to do that so let's just

0:46:08move on instead because he just kills

0:46:09people right away because we had all

0:46:11these we had enough new characters that

0:46:12they could have done a movie that was

0:46:14just about altron vision and the

0:46:17Maximoff twins and that would have been

0:46:19a good movie but it's like not we also

0:46:20have to have all the end just like if

0:46:21you see a pic i had no idea who vision

0:46:24was or when they introduced in like

0:46:26seriously you're gonna do is a major

0:46:27character this point in the my new he

0:46:29was going to appear I thought he was

0:46:30going to be like in the left leg and

0:46:32allows credits yeah something not like

0:46:34we're gonna show up midway through and

0:46:35he's gonna talk and do stuff and

0:46:36absolutely shows like he I mean he just

0:46:38kind of like other than introducing a

0:46:40new character that I assume we'll play

0:46:41and in the future movies he just

0:46:43participated in the team and kind of got

0:46:46Tony Stark out of destroying the world

0:46:48again because like i did actually

0:46:50starting to look at I ok i love the

0:46:51vision know when I look at this

0:46:53treatment division is a pretty cool idea

0:46:55but again there's that there's the

0:46:58almost climactic point of the movie

0:47:00where you know they've they've got the

0:47:02cradle and they bring the to cradle to

0:47:04tony stark and Tony Stark is getting

0:47:06ready to experiment on the brake cradle

0:47:08and the twins burst in with Captain

0:47:11America being like I you can't do that

0:47:14you're good just going to continue your

0:47:16cycle of destruction and they just like

0:47:20why anyway there's a deus ex machina

0:47:22because for peers will do know it's it's

0:47:26ridiculous because what what makes you

0:47:29think that is that is the message

0:47:31oh I created Jarvis all along and jar

0:47:34you know Jarvis developed the true AI

0:47:36all along and

0:47:37didn't need the creepy mind gem and it's

0:47:39all it's all handy-dandy or is it like

0:47:4120 * stop bullying and things that you

0:47:44don't want to know like sorry now we're

0:47:46gonna do i have to add the broadcast

0:47:48sorry doesn't mean i thought there was

0:47:50gonna be when they did introduce him

0:47:51like he was going to be the secret huge

0:47:53weapon and do something special and then

0:47:54he kind of is just another another point

0:47:57of view that we have to include in our

0:47:58DNA fight scene we're cutting from

0:48:00character to character you in turn

0:48:01becomes the following ok he of the

0:48:03Avengers huh uh we're going to talk more

0:48:06about the vision minute but I'm gonna

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0:49:54actually true reading The Avengers in

0:49:56the eighties the cool the leaders of the

0:49:58team worth vision and the Scarlet Witch

0:49:59and so to me that was out that was a

0:50:02really fun thing that these are my

0:50:04adventures in a way that the the

0:50:05eighties Avengers were led by vision and

0:50:08I like paul bettany in this I thought it

0:50:09was fun but it's sort of like Jarvis is

0:50:11now got a guy with a body and and has

0:50:14thing and a cape healing is like look I

0:50:16wanted to be organized like wanted to be

0:50:18a line about the cape because I don't

0:50:19look at the more you or are either case

0:50:21i wanted to be like nice Cape I'd I

0:50:23souls always liked the scene where you

0:50:25can pick up the hammer i decided it was

0:50:26got a cape coral can pick up a hammer

0:50:28everybody can pick up their looks and

0:50:30it's funny because as he like he goes he

0:50:32flies out he looks at the city he looks

0:50:33at his reflection and you have that

0:50:35initial sort of oh I'm figuring myself

0:50:38out

0:50:38he looks authorities like oh well throws

0:50:40a protector he has a cape i guess i

0:50:42should have a cape now also mines dead

0:50:45my gym I feel like if you can if you can

0:50:47wield the power of an infinity stone you

0:50:49can probably pick up and you were

0:50:51indicate yeah well Anna Anna here like

0:50:53this before so I i agree it's like like

0:50:57with this Batman movies and like

0:50:59spider-man three or so many characters

0:51:00here and you're like you're adding

0:51:01another character but what I like about

0:51:02the vision thing oh well is is that a

0:51:07the vision we're set up that Ultron is

0:51:10going to have his elevation to godhood

0:51:13Ultron is going to now become

0:51:15all-powerful and he's going to get his

0:51:18new library me rhenium synthetic body

0:51:21whatever we gotta stop him and I like

0:51:24the fact that in the end what happens is

0:51:26yes there's the let's be mad scientist

0:51:28moment but in the end it gets turned

0:51:30against him and you end up creating an a

0:51:32synthetic life-form who is the new

0:51:33evolution of humanity and and robots

0:51:36that is better than Ultron but it's not

0:51:38Ultron I think that's kind of a fine

0:51:40little bit they have the same power

0:51:41balancing from they always happens in

0:51:42families who is more powerful all of our

0:51:45already you know the whole this guy's

0:51:47using completely made of vibranium and

0:51:48he should be able to take care about

0:51:49going now but Krishna final fight

0:51:51sequence that they just they just level

0:51:53everything and they're just like yeah

0:51:54you can rebalance everything everyone

0:51:56punch each other in the face a superhero

0:51:57like I mean it's scarlett johansson has

0:51:59essentially no powers are always

0:52:01punching people in the face with the

0:52:02same ferocity the guy whose entire body

0:52:04is made of fur brains gonna get any

0:52:05German his skull and it's like doesn't

0:52:07make any sense like you have to do that

0:52:08because they're all the action movie

0:52:09yeah it pulls away from that's why in

0:52:10the single character movies you can have

0:52:12these character power moments that are

0:52:13more profound because you're showing a

0:52:15single characters power arc and it's

0:52:17okay for them to be the most powerful us

0:52:18on movies you don't want to do it I was

0:52:21kind of uncomfortable time they're

0:52:22fighting until I don't like it when

0:52:23Captain America's during shielded people

0:52:25inside Tony Stark lab I don't like it

0:52:26when our man is fighting the Hulk

0:52:29because that's just--that's comic

0:52:30book-like it's like but wait a second

0:52:32who would win and sometimes it's like

0:52:33it's you know the answer but they can't

0:52:35have you win but why they like their

0:52:37they need to as the set in the movie

0:52:39several times need to use their words

0:52:40like when they disagree with each other

0:52:42you don't immediately fling your shield

0:52:43somebody fire bullets through the floor

0:52:45like seriously got their fighter

0:52:46especially not in the house make that

0:52:48happen outside

0:52:49I really did like I really did like the

0:52:51Hulkbuster thing we go against my better

0:52:53judgment is finally putting i really

0:52:55enjoyed on top of them and he's on top

0:52:56of the tree does exactly what you guys

0:52:58just slowing down

0:52:59yeah it was just me and you can't stop

0:53:00my heart what good is it you stop them

0:53:02first-time wait a minute gives you time

0:53:04to put the whole restaurant and you get

0:53:06the little hydraulic punchy thing that

0:53:08punches him alot which was really funny

0:53:10i probably won't go to sleep go to sleep

0:53:12Yeah Yeah come on can we have a word at

0:53:14least about some of the quickie writing

0:53:15because i know we made fun of all the

0:53:16clips but your screen with Mickey every

0:53:18seat joss whedon is really good at and

0:53:21that's what makes this movie fun i think

0:53:22the writing it's funny it's it's

0:53:25legitimately funny especially when as

0:53:27the strength of this movie this movie

0:53:28franchise always been the characters who

0:53:30are ridiculously super powerful

0:53:31characters are always under cutting

0:53:32themselves like yeah the scene with a

0:53:34hammer we're hanging out the beginning

0:53:35they're all trying to pick up the hammer

0:53:36like it's what do the Avengers do when

0:53:38they're not Avengers their Park I

0:53:40running you know buildings for people

0:53:41wouldn't rush about that but I i think

0:53:43that's the the thing the great thing

0:53:45about this movie is when we see those

0:53:46characters as people rather than

0:53:47superheroes and just arguing about a lot

0:53:49of a kind of stupid things that we argue

0:53:51about like you put the hammer in an

0:53:52elevator that count yeah i think i think

0:53:54it's i think it's really good

0:53:55character thing for Tony Stark to keep

0:53:57doing that because he's just it's and he

0:53:59will undercut himself and it's a really

0:54:01serious situation which people are

0:54:03terrified for their lives they're

0:54:05convinced there's a rampaging engine of

0:54:08destruction thats breathes was dropped

0:54:10from nowhere but it's okay for Tony

0:54:12Stark to be flipping inside the armor

0:54:13it's weirder when you have Captain

0:54:16America or Natasha or others

0:54:18it's like more of a dry sense of humor

0:54:20but trying to keep trying to fill a

0:54:22moment with here's here's a here's a

0:54:24line that just occurred to me here the

0:54:25riders from let's just not that scary

0:54:26moment I I could not disagree more i

0:54:28think the case they are playing not only

0:54:30is it funny and it makes it humanizes

0:54:32them and it gives you the sense that

0:54:33they are a team and they are if they are

0:54:35interacting and that they've been on

0:54:36adventures that we haven't seen and so

0:54:38when Captain America's language please

0:54:40and it becomes a running bit it's funny

0:54:42because he's from the old times and

0:54:44maybe he's like Uncle grandpa who's like

0:54:46these kids today and I i think it's

0:54:48earned and I think it's funny and I

0:54:49think the movie I and this is why I'm

0:54:52client like a movie like this and not

0:54:53like some of those DC movies that

0:54:55they've made because they are so serious

0:54:56and I want to punch them because they're

0:54:58staking little curious about your

0:55:00haircut but you're kind of hitting on

0:55:02what I've always thought was my

0:55:04difference between the red where react

0:55:06with DC movie in a Marvel movie I can't

0:55:08think of any time where I legitimately

0:55:09laughs during a DC movie I can't think

0:55:12of a time where I legitimately felt an

0:55:14emotional connection to anything

0:55:16happening in a Marvel movie and I don't

0:55:17know why I'm sorry see a lot of Mount

0:55:20Pleasant emotion I i yes I have seen 1 2

0:55:243 i've seen for Marvel movies

0:55:26ok maybe not all of them but I've seen

0:55:28what I've seen I feel very emotional and

0:55:30thor 2 because it was I was filled with

0:55:31rage I like a bad liar i also have to

0:55:34say kudos who they are you know what was

0:55:36paraded PG pg-13 or something so they

0:55:38get the fleeting after which is the

0:55:39first line and Maria sorry detective

0:55:42thumbs up on that one that I remember

0:55:43the tall that language that's happening

0:55:45during the I don't even think I don't

0:55:47think to throw away since I think it's

0:55:49important to Center us in this action

0:55:50but this is the one where there are very

0:55:51few consequences were going to be

0:55:52attacking this fortress with people who

0:55:55have converted with machine guns of God

0:55:56for all things early dreams your level

0:55:59yeah it's not like when that it's it's

0:56:01it would be it would be very very weird

0:56:03if while we know that there is a plane

0:56:06that's headed

0:56:06towards tower two of the World Trade

0:56:09Center to say well you know I like I'm

0:56:12sorry I'm that's the first flight I've

0:56:14always when I wish that we got hope you

0:56:15don't be late for it's like you're an

0:56:17idiot

0:56:18y-you their lives at stake why are you

0:56:19talking about a comic book movie though

0:56:21that's what I feel like it's like that

0:56:23that's that's what we use a little we

0:56:25used the phrase comic book movie and a

0:56:26derogatory i'm not using just the whole

0:56:30time saying that it's outside outside of

0:56:31this table when people say comic book

0:56:33movie they don't see also there's no

0:56:34depth there's no involvement this just a

0:56:36comic book movie i'm talking about

0:56:37something that's larger than life and

0:56:39delightful where it should be you know

0:56:41there should be snakes there should be

0:56:43consequences but at the same time like

0:56:45we want all of the Avengers to get out i

0:56:48should already want to have fun we want

0:56:50it we want to be entertained and feel

0:56:52the highs and the lows Star Wars is very

0:56:55quickly and it's why we love it because

0:56:57it's just as quickly as it is emotional

0:56:58and it if all the characters were super

0:57:01serious and let's only say the things

0:57:03that are you know boy like was never

0:57:05tell me the odds like yeah we're gonna

0:57:07say that i would say the star wars as

0:57:09much better made than avengers movie I

0:57:10won't disagree with that but I'm gonna

0:57:12save all the adjectives I would apply to

0:57:13the Man of Steel fun it's not anywhere

0:57:15near them again it wasn't it was but

0:57:17that but there are there were moments

0:57:19that I can i I don't I don't think that

0:57:20man of steel was a great movie out loud

0:57:22I thought was going from that one way to

0:57:24start again

0:57:24god I thought it was better than the

0:57:26first Avengers movie but the problem

0:57:28haha

0:57:30we hold these truths to be so i thought

0:57:32this place was already over but again I

0:57:34will I will I will reiterate my reaction

0:57:37is incontrovertible i was bored to hell

0:57:39so if there's through the first of many

0:57:41places dandy I was not bored as hell no

0:57:43justice statements according to steal

0:57:45Murray that's all I'm saying

0:57:47yeah I I think you've got to have that

0:57:48one of the things that humanizes these

0:57:49characters is that they have

0:57:51relationships and they do to do some

0:57:53clips and if they took it all that

0:57:54seriously it would be like listen boring

0:57:56and grim and terrible like man of steel

0:57:58which was a piece of junk and I let me

0:58:00let me look let me defend any four

0:58:02seconds I think I know what he's getting

0:58:03at with the Man of Steel thing I i also

0:58:05like minutes daily mostly because of how

0:58:07a character I Superman not so much like

0:58:10in the movie making the early parts of

0:58:12Man of Steel like it just had one

0:58:13character and i think was a man of steel

0:58:15was better moviemaking then the first

0:58:18happens man of steel was better very

0:58:20good better moviemaking like I don't

0:58:22just ignore the plot ignore the fact

0:58:23that Superman just like go for like you

0:58:25know how it how was it shot how is the

0:58:26dialogue is different kind of movie you

0:58:28know me like I was more stylized I i

0:58:32read today I thought it was more

0:58:33interesting visually I thought I like to

0:58:34pay something that you know that's never

0:58:36do some very interesting visual rails at

0:58:38the end but the equipping this thing

0:58:39with Joss Whedon right like you go to

0:58:41war with Joss Whedon your have this is

0:58:42what you got back what can just we

0:58:45didn't do well if that you get just

0:58:46waiting here we don't land equips like

0:58:48why the hell do you even get why you

0:58:49like her right and so I cancer community

0:58:51without dental in this mode walking in

0:58:53this movie I feel like it's not as good

0:58:55quips we're good my favorite joke the

0:58:57entire movie is the visual jet a gag

0:58:59when Captain America and Iron Man

0:59:00arguing and they're chopping wood

0:59:02encountering her just tears log in half

0:59:03because he's frustrated enemies captain

0:59:05america and like that's my favorite kind

0:59:07of Clips like you don't have to hit on

0:59:08the head but like I don't know how well

0:59:10integrate those clips are with the rest

0:59:11of the movie i get the feeling like you

0:59:13know like you're going from going for

0:59:14seeing action and clip and then seeing

0:59:16action then equip like but look at the

0:59:18good quips we're good like they were

0:59:19joss whedon right i can quickly qualify

0:59:23it wasn't I'm not objecting to the use

0:59:25of quips I'm saying that there so many

0:59:28times where I heard a quickie thing it

0:59:30didn't feel like a character having a

0:59:31genuine dialogue it felt like a

0:59:33screenwriter saying oh I joke just

0:59:35occurred to me i'm going to type in

0:59:36right here

0:59:36I i get that i don't i don't agree I

0:59:38felt I felt like these time we know

0:59:41these characters and anger

0:59:42Mandy I have to say I've seen all of

0:59:43these movies and I feel like I know

0:59:45these characters and these were coming

0:59:46from places the reason the quips were

0:59:49enjoyable to me is that I felt like they

0:59:51were from the places i know these people

0:59:53and that's exactly what they should say

0:59:57given their relationships and given

0:59:59their history and

0:59:59their history and

1:00:00I was pretty amazed because i was on the

1:00:01lookout for the quips that are there

1:00:03just to add some levity while I'm

1:00:06punching somebody's face off that don't

1:00:09fly and and I was impressed at the care

1:00:12that went into the quips where I felt

1:00:14like these characters actually the the

1:00:17quicker the right clips for the

1:00:18situation and so it so if they totally

1:00:21work and I was on the lookout for I was

1:00:23on quip watch in fact and i didn't i

1:00:25didn't see that much to that all these

1:00:27characters and really unique LOL

1:00:29characters and all joss whedon things

1:00:31that he's ever done

1:00:32use humor and quips and dark humor and

1:00:35sarcasm as their way of dealing with

1:00:37heated situations that are bit like that

1:00:40is his thing everything and he basically

1:00:42makes the same movie over and I think

1:00:44like his card if Bobby people with the

1:00:46right age to be that sarcastic and have

1:00:48those scripts but he doesn't matter what

1:00:49movie you give anybody given like you

1:00:51know old Indians in and like 700 he'll

1:00:55do the same damn thing that's what he

1:00:56knows how to do viagra like but the

1:00:58Avengers like with with these clips it

1:01:01in story it makes sense that they would

1:01:03be doing these things because that is

1:01:04the way they deal with with the

1:01:06difficulties of the situation they also

1:01:07have also chosen dealing with the other

1:01:09ways like a tab down-to-earth talks with

1:01:10each other about do I feel okay with

1:01:11this but in the heat of battle the way

1:01:14they sublimate their feelings or express

1:01:17themselves or whatever is with the star

1:01:18Cameron whether you think that it's the

1:01:20superhero character I don't know but

1:01:22it's how Australians characters act

1:01:25yeah it and I have to underscore that I

1:01:28think that their different perspectives

1:01:29when you have someone who is not someone

1:01:32who was seen this isn't there was not

1:01:34committed to the Marvel Cinematic

1:01:35Universe i see this as one movie that

1:01:37I'd like to go see in May as opposed to

1:01:40a continuation of this enjoyable

1:01:44investment that I've been making in

1:01:46these movies i've been really really

1:01:47liking this it's takes us back to the

1:01:49fundamental issue with this entire thing

1:01:51which is it's not quite a movie as much

1:01:52as is honest and installment of this and

1:01:55movie series goes wrong with that

1:01:56because the clear curly we the the news

1:01:58this number the number two opening

1:02:00weekend in movie history so it's not as

1:02:02though this he's that this movie is not

1:02:04finding an audience of people who really

1:02:05really enjoyed this movie you know that

1:02:07you know they buy the tickets before

1:02:09they see the movie i think it's not

1:02:10that's Jay

1:02:11but I see the Avengers movies as

1:02:13Capstone's rather than movies in them

1:02:15into themselves like if you look at

1:02:17Marvel sort of bills in their faces as

1:02:19like a good meal you've got like you've

1:02:22got the the various entrees that are the

1:02:24single person movies and the Avengers

1:02:27movies are the desert RV like

1:02:29wholehearted you know what we know these

1:02:32characters we know this environment we

1:02:34love this environment we have presumably

1:02:36bought into it because we have seen all

1:02:38the other movies this is kind of a

1:02:40two-and-a-half-hour way of being like

1:02:41hey wouldn't it be cool if all of our

1:02:43favorite superheroes that we've known

1:02:45and loved just kind of get together and

1:02:48hang out and Jason's touching his nose

1:02:51Mike was right anyway keep going yeah

1:02:52yeah rub it in

1:02:54no I I honestly I for me and avengers

1:02:58movie does not have to be pinnacles of

1:03:00greatness it has to be fun

1:03:02it has to have characters that I know

1:03:03and love and it has to be plausible and

1:03:06they're definitely like they're

1:03:07definitely plot holes in this and I'm

1:03:09not gonna stare too closely at them

1:03:10because honestly I'd like this

1:03:12this was my dessert this was my happy

1:03:14time and then we'll see what phase 3 has

1:03:16in store for sure it's desert and not

1:03:19like the feeling when you're in bed

1:03:20after oh I shouldn't be no no it's not

1:03:22even that much for the Jews out there

1:03:24it's like the offi combing your special

1:03:25with the taste linger in your mouth

1:03:27yeah and and also my ambition is that i

1:03:31would like to have superhero movies that

1:03:33are more ambitious that try to be more

1:03:34like a conventional movie but that's

1:03:36only one way to make that movie it's

1:03:38possible to have I was thinking about

1:03:40this on the way into the move into the

1:03:41theater that maybe one of the reasons

1:03:43why I'm not responding to some of these

1:03:45Marvel movies is that i am expecting it

1:03:47to be like a sit-down dinner when this

1:03:49is more like a buffet experience where

1:03:51there's going to be elements that your

1:03:53that are good elements that you like

1:03:55less you're not supposed to see it as a

1:03:58really engineered meal so much as a

1:04:01positive 2 and a half hour long

1:04:03experience that could be I mean I i do

1:04:05think that with something like guardians

1:04:07of the galaxy we see Marvel trying

1:04:09something that is a different kind of

1:04:10approach 22 again what commerce makes a

1:04:13you know blockbuster tentpole kind of

1:04:15movie that that's just how it is

1:04:17but within that do some things that are

1:04:19different this is this is I agree with

1:04:20surrounding part of it is this is the

1:04:22capstone this is quite frankly the the

1:04:24the issues of a comic where all of the

1:04:27characters get together and interact

1:04:28those are never the best stories either

1:04:30it's fun to watch them interact but the

1:04:32story is kind of beside the point and

1:04:34it's not and this is like that this is

1:04:36it's fun to see them interact in

1:04:37something and but it only really works i

1:04:40think if they've earned it with you

1:04:41having known these characters more like

1:04:43I feel like you really need to have seen

1:04:45winter soldier and internalized it and

1:04:47understood it and taking it into your

1:04:48soul for you to watch this movie because

1:04:50it really doesn't make a lot of sense

1:04:53without knowing where the characters are

1:04:55after winter soldier especially if this

1:04:58balance between like ensemble cast you

1:05:00want to have dramatic moments you want

1:05:02them to be quickly you want to have good

1:05:03action scenes that's actually fairly

1:05:04difficult formula too often trying to

1:05:07think of other movies that have done a

1:05:08well-made hot Empire Strikes Back is

1:05:10comes the obvious example but it's

1:05:11paired down there's action scenes this

1:05:13personal drama there's quips and they

1:05:15balance in the right and guardians of

1:05:17the galaxy is like let's go away towards

1:05:18the humor side and but even that is

1:05:20difficult balance because then we were

1:05:21talking about that movie it's like all

1:05:23the more seriously and so I can really

1:05:24take this bag is seriously in this one I

1:05:26could i get some so difficult like where

1:05:28do you find the line and that way it's

1:05:29almost like not that it's easier but

1:05:30like Batman Begins is more like a solid

1:05:32yeah you know serious like movie and

1:05:35like it has its humor value had to

1:05:37strike him or whatever but like it they

1:05:38figured out a balance that you look

1:05:40Batman Begins and it works all the way

1:05:41through its just I the reason think

1:05:42we're trying to do the balance where

1:05:44you're somewhere in the middle like I

1:05:45mean I guess maybe diehards example it's

1:05:47very small cast like can you balance

1:05:49drama investment in action scenes with

1:05:53clips

1:05:53it's very super hard and service 7

1:05:56characters and all that is hurting you

1:05:58know just keep studying in Parliament

1:06:00before we go I i do want to mention day

1:06:02do people have any thoughts about um

1:06:03Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch because

1:06:05they were they were in this movie too

1:06:07and we and you know we had to we had to

1:06:09find a way to introduce them and and

1:06:12have them do some stuff

1:06:13Carla which was like her character I

1:06:15feel like got got a little bit screwed

1:06:17like I mean they they tried to give her

1:06:19an art but very very frequently about

1:06:20the one that really bothered me the most

1:06:21sheet that has the conversation with the

1:06:23with Hawkeye and become you know she's

1:06:26gonna come out as she comes out she's

1:06:27made her decision she's going to be an

1:06:29Avenger she's going to be the Scarlet

1:06:30Witch she does her badass thing to slow

1:06:33motion then then Hawkeye looked over her

1:06:36and gives her that

1:06:37next scene they have the expressions for

1:06:39actresses face is like looking to

1:06:41hawkeye for approval and she's a little

1:06:42dopey little dog again maybe next time

1:06:44you'll see more than two times watching

1:06:46like she doesn't know

1:06:47did I do good in my right side while

1:06:49she's here she's scared out of her mind

1:06:51damaged from being experimented on and

1:06:54being that's totally appropriate though

1:06:56that's totally appropriate for so long

1:06:58if you drop me into a combat situation

1:07:00that I've never been in i will probably

1:07:02invite see that the entire world is

1:07:04going completely the hell i know that

1:07:05partly responsible for because I helped

1:07:07out the early stages of it I might need

1:07:09a bit of a pet pop pep talk to and I

1:07:11think that they trick with this with

1:07:12developing those characters also we got

1:07:13them as a unit right and it's like e to

1:07:15a certain extent you have to split time

1:07:17and no one they're not gonna you can't

1:07:19just be like oh they have the exact same

1:07:20story they're probably rescue their

1:07:21parents were killed like yes we do have

1:07:23some story and they each sort of like

1:07:24China and on it but it's really hard to

1:07:26get full extent of both of them and so I

1:07:27think I think Scarlet Witch actually

1:07:29gets a better treatment than Quicksilver

1:07:30who is like yeah I get to make it is

1:07:32about a gruff and speaking Russian

1:07:33accent tonight pretty much it my

1:07:36complaint about scholar which wasn't

1:07:37that she was scared the buildings after

1:07:39that after she comes out she supposed to

1:07:40have made her decision and like because

1:07:43self-actualize and become the power to

1:07:44decide what she's gonna do but

1:07:45immediately after that she's back like I

1:07:47I don't like real to me them that felt

1:07:49very much like so did I do good boss

1:07:51well no i honestly didn't look like she

1:07:54was can I you know am i doing well it

1:07:56what if to me that like I noticed that

1:07:58expression and it very very much

1:08:00registered my brain but it looked as

1:08:02like I'm going to do this and I'm going

1:08:04to be an Avenger but that doesn't mean

1:08:06that I'm not terrified out of my mind

1:08:08because I still have major PTSD from 110

1:08:11a shell fell down next to me and almost

1:08:13you know yeah I don't know screaming

1:08:14with your story but I maybe I'm going on

1:08:16Lex may not in like the idea being happy

1:08:18is the idea

1:08:19the idea that i like but these people

1:08:22have this kind of power especially like

1:08:23the telekinesis in mind control that

1:08:25it's like they don't know how far it

1:08:27goes and it usually goes really really

1:08:29really far in a scary way and the people

1:08:31with this power and inevitably seems

1:08:33like they become consumed by it because

1:08:35it's kind of that type of power that's

1:08:36gonna make you destroy the entire world

1:08:37and kill everybody

1:08:38well that's kind of what happens to

1:08:39scarlet witch's and I see her traveling

1:08:43along an argument is movie she's like I

1:08:45expected her to travel farther along in

1:08:46our basement expected her to sort of

1:08:48coming to her powers and realize that

1:08:50like you know that she's much more

1:08:51powerful than she thinks when she when

1:08:53she puts her mind to it right in the

1:08:54correct way and that is slowly the power

1:08:56sunroof income that's a dozen to learn

1:08:58about that later later but again I I

1:09:00there was also a long stable period when

1:09:02you know vision and the Scarlet Witch

1:09:03led the Avengers and it was awesome and

1:09:05paris peace in our time and there was

1:09:07peace in our time and yeah wasn't that

1:09:09the period which the vision went nuts

1:09:11and formed the west coast avengers a

1:09:12diversionary tactic then took over every

1:09:15single container labeled to try to unite

1:09:16was later it was much less employees

1:09:18have to be about to be licensed you have

1:09:19any nuts to start a west coast version

1:09:21gonna ask for the great anything that

1:09:23puts tiger and a monthly series i'm

1:09:25a-free I prove oh yeah and I worth a

1:09:27five cents run and then this house event

1:09:29well it's also like x-men and that they

1:09:30were also mutants but you can't call the

1:09:32mutants in this movie because that's a

1:09:33totally diff locks his lawyers would

1:09:35like it went to Jason produce oh yeah

1:09:37there they have been their stats were

1:09:40upgraded from 4th edition 2 5th edition

1:09:41it's a very good one is like that's the

1:09:43that's a different arc then the then the

1:09:46other Marvel heroes I feel like that's

1:09:48more of an x-men arcade or not like

1:09:49x-men has all the x-men are very similar

1:09:52and I think that is a good solid team in

1:09:53it and but this movies like whores

1:09:55archives very little overlap with

1:09:56Captain America's are ya

1:09:58for Asgard or were curious hear stories

1:10:00here to be thor and be funny and make

1:10:02quips or going to Thor have the hammer

1:10:04and setup future movies and i would say

1:10:07he does have an arc his arc is not about

1:10:09this movie so much but he doesn't have

1:10:11something to doing through they can is

1:10:13your theories like on his way to like a

1:10:15season finale free agents of shield yes

1:10:17tops off in the barn ya just gotta go

1:10:19you know but again we gotta it's tough

1:10:21to have to give those again it comes

1:10:23back it's tough to get all those

1:10:24chemicals we do a brief appreciative for

1:10:26a lot of the I thought the cameos you

1:10:28know i did enjoy a lot of the smaller

1:10:29one enjoyed on Cheadle

1:10:31and when she was really good are you

1:10:33Anthony Mackie is fuckin who I realize

1:10:34either both now Avengers or Natalie

1:10:36apartment oh wait she could afford her

1:10:38but she's better Skarsgard comes back I

1:10:41mean like we pretty much dragon-like

1:10:43secondary characters from all the

1:10:44previous independent movies murray hill

1:10:46yeah there's a little bit of enjoyed

1:10:48understand they have created a rich

1:10:49universe I just feel like it and i told

1:10:51you i want to see TV show 26 episodes

1:10:54where there is wonders with all these

1:10:57actors about it can afford action

1:10:59set-pieces like I wonder if that's gonna

1:11:00concepts at some point you have to

1:11:01wonder if it would be better it would be

1:11:03better off to spend money for these

1:11:05actors to do an eight-episode netflix

1:11:08really don't know that's why tries to be

1:11:09able to look at daredevil and saying

1:11:11okay if you're gonna make a 13-hour

1:11:12movies just same effects like that's the

1:11:14thing ya know you're only going to be

1:11:15doing a movie why can't you have all

1:11:17these people in television show just

1:11:18like you know eventually you're going to

1:11:20say we can't make any more Avengers

1:11:21movies they're ridiculous but if as long

1:11:24as people are still breaking box-office

1:11:25records to go see them they're not going

1:11:27to put them on netflix anytime soon yeah

1:11:29i mean i think more likely we might get

1:11:31at you

1:11:32we might sooner get a return to flash

1:11:33Gordon's cereals then we would then

1:11:35would actual but that then actually

1:11:38intrigues me if you use a lot of a lot

1:11:40of movies get made because not because

1:11:42they offered an actor a lot of money but

1:11:44but somebody said this will only take

1:11:45two and a half weeks of your time and

1:11:47you're not doing anything and we can

1:11:49give you five or six million dollars for

1:11:50one month so one month of your time and

1:11:53if we did this if you did this and

1:11:55netflix budget where you do not have the

1:11:57option of having 90 minutes of just

1:11:59action action action where could to save

1:12:01money in a way you have to have people

1:12:03sitting down and talking and sort of

1:12:05hashing out a plot that might be

1:12:07something that would intrigue me more

1:12:08than Avengers 3

1:12:09I think the downside is that a lot of

1:12:10the stuff that we see on TV these days

1:12:12also been like years towards the greedy

1:12:15so it's like oh yeah HBO does it doesn't

1:12:17understand how guys want to see the HP

1:12:18understand she's not ready right well

1:12:20that's about it that's the closest that

1:12:21we've got I think you look at something

1:12:22like daredevil right and it's like

1:12:24character voice is pretty dark it's

1:12:25funny at points but it's pretty daughter

1:12:27couldn't afford a lot of Lights right

1:12:28well yeah you know it's New York Hell's

1:12:30Kitchen this is not very nice but i

1:12:32think i think you're right i would love

1:12:33to see an adventure series like this

1:12:35that you could sort of spin out into an

1:12:36entire long series and I think that that

1:12:39for better or worse this genre has been

1:12:41relegated to the blockbuster we rather

1:12:43than being something we do on the team

1:12:44he perhaps with the exception of the

1:12:46flash which i think is trying to do

1:12:47something very someone else we did a

1:12:49very good job telling superhero stories

1:12:51in a TV format it was called buffy the

1:12:52vampire slayer yeah yeah well that was

1:12:54how many years ago now what

1:12:57when one of the six identical la

1:12:59identical in sequence trailers we saw

1:13:02before this what was the ant-man movie

1:13:03and I'm kind it would really pleased me

1:13:07a lot if it really did turn out to be

1:13:09action-oriented and some drama but

1:13:11mostly ok for god sakes he's called

1:13:13ant-man and he's about this tall

1:13:15let's let's let's let's assume we're not

1:13:17talking about saving the entire world

1:13:18but solving a problem an ex-con has to

1:13:20have the proportional strength of human

1:13:23and size body here we are about out of

1:13:26time so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask anybody

1:13:28if they've got last thoughts before we

1:13:30sign off serenity of last pot I'm really

1:13:32excited to see Scarlet Witch going

1:13:34forward because I thought that you know

1:13:37quibbles aside her powers are very

1:13:39interesting we haven't seen a lot of

1:13:41inhuman you know advanced type powers in

1:13:44this universe as of yet we've seen you

1:13:46know God's we've seen people who have

1:13:47experimental strength or you know been

1:13:51experimenting on but we we really

1:13:52haven't seen people who were born with

1:13:54crazy powers

1:13:55yeah i think it's unclear though if she

1:13:57is actually just experimenting on like

1:13:59like Captain America depending depending

1:14:01on how I mean and also I think we have

1:14:03to see the rest of this season of shield

1:14:06but what shield seems to be hinting at

1:14:08is that Hydra was basically collecting

1:14:11in humans

1:14:12yeah be there and they are calling

1:14:14humans yet surprise but like collecting

1:14:16enhanced people and experimenting on

1:14:18them and that the twins were the only

1:14:19people who survived set experiments

1:14:21which isn't mentioned the movie yes

1:14:23exactly so I'm I'm really interested to

1:14:25see the new the next generation of

1:14:27Avengers I'm really interested to see

1:14:29what phase 3 has in store

1:14:31I really like the fact that the vit like

1:14:33as much as I'm kind of bummed that the

1:14:35vision kind of had really short shrift

1:14:37because there's no real time to explain

1:14:39it i like that he is a bridge between

1:14:41the normal and the super hyper

1:14:43fantastical and I think he's a better

1:14:45bridge in a wave and Thoris because he

1:14:48connects to the Galactic a lot better

1:14:50with the mind stone or the mind effort

1:14:52are we calling a gem some gems

1:14:53yeah with the mind gem

1:14:55in a way that like Thorin no Asgard is

1:14:58alien and sort of connected but still

1:15:00feels very silly whereas vision feel

1:15:03silly but also you know we've got a

1:15:04we've got a route because hey he was

1:15:06Jarvis once we love Jarvis but also he's

1:15:09carrying around crazy alien technology

1:15:11so maybe division will show up in

1:15:13guardians of the galaxy two who knows

1:15:15but i but I feel like it i don't know

1:15:17it's an it's i really like where things

1:15:20are going Marvel has yet to really let

1:15:22me down with the movie i look forward to

1:15:25seeing the next round

1:15:26don't four defendants doing anything i

1:15:29feel like i'm anna says he isn't being

1:15:31that lives only in credit side after I

1:15:33just feel like he has been lurking

1:15:34around the corner for like this was a

1:15:35large percentage of my life

1:15:37yes waiting in this one we saw but I

1:15:40grew up next and credit another club and

1:15:41I great boot socks socks first and it's

1:15:44a very slow race dirty messy again

1:15:46knowing nothing about the comics you

1:15:48look so dorky to me he looks like he

1:15:50looks like a cartoon villain drawn like

1:15:52a scooby-doo I said the car is literally

1:15:55a courtyard village on our tuna sammie

1:15:58really i gave him the big chin and like

1:16:01it I don't know he does not interest me

1:16:02as the villain at all

1:16:03thus far I guess I was he has incredible

1:16:05isn't anything but he don't know he was

1:16:0827 he was obviously that decision is

1:16:09coming to our galleries yeah

1:16:11elder people mention he needs to start

1:16:13doing stuff unless delegating slashed

1:16:15talking to yes i agree i agree i again i

1:16:19like this movie a lot more than I like

1:16:20the first one and I i hope this is a

1:16:23continued upward trend although it's

1:16:25kind of interesting to think of I don't

1:16:27know whose contracts are expiring soon

1:16:29as I know they lock them into very

1:16:30long-term ya drunks but they seem to

1:16:32have renegotiated many of them we

1:16:34thought we were not seeing him anymore

1:16:35baby i i wonder what happens when if

1:16:38it's a good thing they don't have a turn

1:16:40rate are their actors or if it's a bad

1:16:42thing

1:16:42the end of this movie suggest ok we have

1:16:44new avengers now and that Tony Stark may

1:16:46not be around so much and all that I

1:16:47think that's good i think that's a good

1:16:49thing go

1:16:49well Tony Stark has been done I mean

1:16:51iron man 3 shows a pretty clear are two

1:16:53that I think it's great that he's here

1:16:54and I think he's not going anywhere we

1:16:56didn't kill him off where there's no

1:16:58finality today in the next Captain

1:16:59America right and so I think what we'll

1:17:01end up seeing is like we'll have a new

1:17:03avengers team probably in

1:17:05infinity War part 1 and you'll have a

1:17:06lot of like other people that we haven't

1:17:08necessarily seen yet perhaps now and

1:17:09then you won't be like all man

1:17:11Stannis got bad news we better bring all

1:17:13those other guys and we might have a

1:17:15situation whereby ventures forth like oh

1:17:17they Ted McGinley is now playing like

1:17:19another superhero ok it's done but I i

1:17:23agree that i really liked seeing the new

1:17:24sort of Avengers come in i really i

1:17:27thought that i really enjoyed this movie

1:17:29for the most part I you know there are

1:17:30parts that I think felt a little like a

1:17:32little more the future ops and downs

1:17:34more level to it and that didn't always

1:17:36like get me like oh yeah this is great i

1:17:38wasn't always like this most engaged

1:17:40some of the fight scenes but i love the

1:17:41character interactions and that is what

1:17:43I come for end it yeah for me that

1:17:45totally delivered in that way and as

1:17:47long as they can continue to sort of

1:17:48produce great movies where these

1:17:50characters are interesting and interact

1:17:51with each other and are fun and that is

1:17:53the key word for me always come back to

1:17:55its fun I've seen a lot of superhero

1:17:56movies that are not fun

1:17:58I don't need to see any more of those so

1:17:59thumbs up looking forward to future

1:18:02Marvel endeavors

1:18:03I fear for any future movies of this

1:18:06type not made with talent that involved

1:18:09this like soon as they take away joss

1:18:10whedon I don't know what his deal is in

1:18:11his contract but was already gone Yeah

1:18:12Yeah right into your heel though ended

1:18:15like May first can put like this is a

1:18:18high degree of difficulty and it's going

1:18:21to be very difficult for the next guy to

1:18:23match that's why they got to people

1:18:25through the Russo brothers who did with

1:18:27a soldier which was a very i will have

1:18:28to think maybe the last Marvel movie by

1:18:30lower degree of difficulty definitely

1:18:32like I think I I wonder I I already said

1:18:34I enjoy the single character movies

1:18:36better than than the multi ones and a

1:18:38multi one not involving joss whedon not

1:18:40involving all these great actors who I

1:18:41love not like just it could just be

1:18:43dreadful so I really am feeling the next

1:18:45one but this one you should go see this

1:18:46were saying i will point out that the

1:18:48Russos are not you know they're not

1:18:50exactly not for on one will not infamous

1:18:53I don't know what I'm looking for but

1:18:55they directed a bunch of arrested

1:18:57development episodes and they they've

1:18:58been around in terms of anything on your

1:19:01community or human challenges

1:19:02yeah that they're um I i think there is

1:19:05a distinct possibility that in the

1:19:07future we will look back at the two

1:19:08first two Avengers movies and say turns

1:19:11out joss whedon about as good as anybody

1:19:14could expect right great and here is so

1:19:16much higher leap on so much the quips

1:19:17but just because he did

1:19:18user experience to like figure out how

1:19:20you get these just basically putting

1:19:22down the plot because this is pretty

1:19:23tight in terms there was like single

1:19:25lines that were payoff for certain plot

1:19:27points and making clear like he did as

1:19:29well as you can do it like it just just

1:19:30putting the puzzle pieces together just

1:19:31storyboarding addressing what is going

1:19:33to happen and what is going to lead to

1:19:34what you want to what even that is

1:19:36really hard to do and I think joss

1:19:38whedon by this point I think they're

1:19:39like a script doctor and you know done

1:19:41television and done movies like you need

1:19:43that kind of resume to be able to just

1:19:45pull this off a mediocre this is three

1:19:47years like two or three years work for

1:19:48Josh we could you know he could have

1:19:50written 20 episodes of buffy over the

1:19:53course of three seasons of that chair

1:19:54right and all of that got distilled into

1:19:56the work on this on this and this film

1:19:58and and you know i probably would rather

1:20:00have so I'm doing a show for a couple

1:20:01years instead but you know what kind of

1:20:04guy you Justice League is all i'm going

1:20:06to say clearly influenced that was not

1:20:08if we will see we shall see it will be

1:20:09very interesting

1:20:10ok we are going to wrap it up it has

1:20:12been a pleasure to have everybody here

1:20:13in person to talk and of course we all

1:20:15saw it together we didn't record during

1:20:17theater presentation because you

1:20:19couldn't hear us over the explosions i

1:20:21would like to thank all of my guests for

1:20:23being here today around the table Tony

1:20:24sindelar thank you comfortable

1:20:26disassembled Dan Morgan thank you for

1:20:29being here and letting us use your home

1:20:31no disassemble John siracusa thank you

1:20:35in the next movie deceive fill in the

1:20:36little gem holes on his knuckles or what

1:20:38yeah I think that's it's a game it's

1:20:39like a like a mastermind it's like Legos

1:20:42her mastermind along it slow motion I

1:20:44was raising up of one hand and history

1:20:46of cinema

1:20:46uh-huh yep india naka thank you i spent

1:20:50my enjoyed the mismatch pile of Miss

1:20:52colored legos isn't any other that forms

1:20:54Avengers 2 I I didn't I guess I don't

1:20:57revive I seem to be drifting towards I

1:21:00didn't not like it but I some I semi

1:21:04enjoyed that and i will say that part of

1:21:07it was because I changed my expectations

1:21:09of this movie like a b-plus that we say

1:21:11people get a strong recommendation from

1:21:13andy and i know you heard it here answer

1:21:15and it'll have a slight angle good yeah

1:21:18you know I could just shoot Andy and no

1:21:22one would know just fell on him

1:21:25yeah but if it's an Avenger sort of

1:21:27killing then we wouldn't find out what

1:21:28happened or what happened to come to be

1:21:30continued in anyway thank you to

1:21:31everybody out there for listening I've

1:21:32been your host Jason cell thanks to

1:21:34everybody for coming tonight once again

1:21:37and we will see you next week with an

1:21:39episode that was recorded in our

1:21:41individual homes where we can be alone

1:21:43with ourselves

1:21:44goodnight