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0:00:11welcome back everybody to be
0:00:12uncomfortable podcast I'm your host
0:00:13Jason smell and this is a very special
0:00:15edition of the uncomfortable we all went
0:00:18well all those who are going to be on
0:00:19this episode went together and watched a
0:00:21film in a movie theater and now we are
0:00:24gathered around the table eating pizza
0:00:26and drinking that various beverages to
0:00:29discuss with you
0:00:31avengers age of ultron his age is very
0:00:34low he was just created the other day
0:00:35joining me on this field trip an
0:00:38adventure are the following wonderful
0:00:40people Tony sindelar is here hello Tony
0:00:43I just that yeah are you not gonna go
0:00:46get you moved on pasture catchphrase and
0:00:48I'm i'm not a machine
0:00:49Oh fair enough John Syracuse's here
0:00:52hello John going out of order you've got
0:00:54us around the table literally and you
0:00:56just skipped well there's there's
0:00:57there's I got reasons there's moving
0:00:59microphones around all right it's like
0:01:01typing is around like around his piece
0:01:04of technology you go opposite corners
0:01:06that way all lines up by the time you
0:01:08finish we've already learned several
0:01:09lessons including you need to talk into
0:01:10the microphone or nobody can hear you
0:01:12and we're completely out of order Dan
0:01:13Morgan is also here hi Dan
0:01:15hi Jason welcome to my fine home thank
0:01:17you thank you for inviting us or for not
0:01:20turning away when we just barged in I
0:01:22tried there was no option yeah Andy and
0:01:24I know you heard earlier not talking you
0:01:25didn't hear earlier not talking into a
0:01:26microphone now he will talk into a
0:01:28microphone hello I'm sorry I'm not used
0:01:30to being in such a fine fine environment
0:01:32for podcasting as this sofas tables i'm
0:01:35usually just there within my own filth
0:01:36on your on your in Lonesome email you
0:01:39all may remember Andy from that episode
0:01:41of the uncomfortable where he said that
0:01:43the Avengers was a b-minus movie and
0:01:45everybody lost their minds I a 20-2
0:01:48literally you said b-minus b-minus the
0:01:51phrase it's a good lights on a level of
0:01:53a transformers move on thats that's what
0:01:56i think i lost my I think that was it
0:01:57matter that's what I tried to reach
0:01:59through the microphone and that doesn't
0:02:00work and serenity couples also hello
0:02:03hello i'm eating pizza right now
0:02:05well aren't we all but that's that's
0:02:07part of the fun that's part of the fun
0:02:08of of of the age of Ultron the age of
0:02:11Ultron includes pizza Ultron supports
0:02:13pizza so we saw movie it was the
0:02:15Avengers had lots of stuff in it
0:02:16anybody want to get started with some of
0:02:18their impressions about the age of
0:02:20Ultron tony do you have any thoughts
0:02:22Tony's giving me the stink eye
0:02:24do you do that all the time when I ask
0:02:26you questions and you just can't see it
0:02:27yeah you can see it that's my Jason's
0:02:29talking voice so I well I just saw it so
0:02:32I'm still processing it but i enjoyed
0:02:34it's time for a podcast about products
0:02:36concerned about putting man was you know
0:02:38it was your pretty standard exciting
0:02:39lots of CGI action movie things lots of
0:02:42robots getting destroyed so people who
0:02:44are robot may not want me this movie
0:02:47you may have you may be upset that
0:02:49trigger warning for people who love
0:02:50robots right so let's let's talk about
0:02:53that you talk about the explosions and
0:02:54things blowing up i think that might be
0:02:56a good place to start
0:02:57one of the things that struck me about
0:02:58this movie is it is it is a summer
0:03:00blockbuster economy right so there are
0:03:02lots of explosions and things but Jason
0:03:04I would say the stuff that happens in
0:03:05between the explosions is probably more
0:03:07interesting and possibly better
0:03:09that's what that's what i was going to
0:03:10get at is I i am i am happy that there
0:03:13were not give that man a microphone
0:03:15I'm happy that that there are explosions
0:03:18because movies with explosions are fun
0:03:20that said I i think the I think the
0:03:23strength of this movie that I felt was
0:03:25that I i we know these characters we've
0:03:27seen him in a lot of movies there were
0:03:29interactions that were helped by having
0:03:32a history with the characters they they
0:03:34uh there were some funny interactions or
0:03:37some interactions that I liked I I
0:03:39enjoyed that in the moments sometimes I
0:03:41see movies like this that are
0:03:42blockbusters and in the moments between
0:03:44the explosions I am just bored and
0:03:46wanted to go to the next explosion and I
0:03:48didn't feel that in this movie now Andy
0:03:50and I coach holding a microphone so he
0:03:52I'm now I see the rest of my time to him
0:03:55know i just i was i I like this more
0:03:58than I like the first movie and because
0:04:01we really were all the podcast is over
0:04:03here yeah it's not because I'm getting
0:04:06free pizza out of the people that get
0:04:07out of the first time that I saw them to
0:04:09you
0:04:09yes a little disclosure i'm in the
0:04:12pocket of deep and completing that
0:04:15yeah but yeah i did like remember that
0:04:17the one I really didn't like about the
0:04:19first one was that I was sincerely bored
0:04:21to tears two-thirds I just completely
0:04:23had checked out and friend i still think
0:04:25this movie had a lot of problems but I
0:04:27think with the reasons why i did like it
0:04:29more was that they were a lot of these
0:04:31moments where they're going to say
0:04:32there's gonna be no explosions we're
0:04:34going without without any spoilers of
0:04:35any kind
0:04:36we're gonna have a
0:04:37lot of rich scenes and which characters
0:04:38get to really get inside their own heads
0:04:40and have conversations and that's when
0:04:42this movie got really interesting for me
0:04:44yeah i agree that John what do you think
0:04:46I'm giving my opening statement but if I
0:04:48had one it would be it's a very little
0:04:51time to prepare an opening statement do
0:04:52things well I didn't realize he was
0:04:54using he was in a car is writing where r
0:04:56SS card so that blue car what i told you
0:04:59at the end of the movie is exactly what
0:05:00I felt when I was watching the movie
0:05:01this is the giant fu de zack snyder and
0:05:04Superman sounds like the beginning like
0:05:05only taken a couple of jabs at him
0:05:07actually another jab actually not
0:05:09actually the main theme of this movie
0:05:10because he's making Superman movies
0:05:12wrong let's save people in the in the in
0:05:15the cities and worry about the little
0:05:16people
0:05:17let's do it together it great yeah and
0:05:19so but I know when I was 14 and the
0:05:22second impression was that boy there are
0:05:24a lot of things this movie there's a lot
0:05:25of characters yeah a lot of things
0:05:27happen it's just a tremendous amount of
0:05:29stuff and seeing it the second time i'm
0:05:31looking at how they put it together and
0:05:32like its amazingly jandals crap in but
0:05:34at some point it's like you have too
0:05:36many characters you have too many people
0:05:38in this movie you have too many things
0:05:39taking place and I think they did an
0:05:41admirable job of sewing it all together
0:05:43but i don't know if you can sustainably
0:05:44make a really great movie with this much
0:05:47wrapping it at one point is this a
0:05:49completely different John right i mean i
0:05:51read a couple articles that that weren't
0:05:53reviews but said it's kind of like
0:05:55watching an entire season of a TV shows
0:05:57and boiled into a movie and I understand
0:06:00that the first cut of this movie was
0:06:01more than three hours long and included
0:06:04way more character stuff and they just
0:06:05cut you can't make a movie that long and
0:06:07so i can actually would like to see that
0:06:09but but at some point in the shandra you
0:06:12are selling your ticket you're selling a
0:06:13ticket in a movie theater you can't do
0:06:15the seven hour long Avengers that would
0:06:17probably be pretty good because it would
0:06:20then be a joss whedon TV show me serious
0:06:22yeah absolutely i mean i actually think
0:06:25despite the fact that this movie is
0:06:27jam-packed full of stuff they really did
0:06:29do an admirable job at making it a fun
0:06:32interesting movie to watch like I think
0:06:34about some of the other you know really
0:06:35big ensemble movies that kind of fall a
0:06:38little bit more flat on their faces or
0:06:40certain characters don't get shaded out
0:06:42or flashed and I'm like I'm looking at
0:06:44this movie and some of the characters
0:06:46that we really haven't seen get enough
0:06:47screen time
0:06:48Hawkeye being one of them actually gets
0:06:50a fully fleshed-out backstory in the
0:06:53middle of all of this insanity and I'm
0:06:55like wait how did that just have we have
0:06:57the following 12 other people were
0:06:59battling robots we have time to learn
0:07:01about like what he's like behind the bow
0:07:04and arrow like and linda cardellini when
0:07:06did she become a mom figure I remember
0:07:08when she was just a little high school
0:07:10kidding freaks and giveaways goddamn
0:07:12bargain for MVP of this movie because a
0:07:14yokai got totally unreal like he got the
0:07:16shaft in the first movie not perish oh
0:07:18thank you thank you i'll be here always
0:07:19but i think that you're told here all
0:07:21week because you think about Scylla here
0:07:24well you know it's the flipside of
0:07:26putting up you know a lot of people
0:07:27looked at daredevil on netflix and said
0:07:29like this reads like a 13 hour movie
0:07:31well obviously reads like a three-hour
0:07:32TV show right like that's kind of I
0:07:34totally agree with you Jason that this
0:07:35is kind of a different genre in that way
0:07:37and it felt like if they could convince
0:07:39stars that big and get a budget that big
0:07:41for TV they would have done it on
0:07:43teacher or netflix and maybe some point
0:07:45in the future that will be a thing
0:07:46because Netflix seems to be really
0:07:48interesting programming I don't know I
0:07:49thought maybe they should have just made
0:07:51the four hour long version and cut it
0:07:52into and sold two tickets for it that's
0:07:54the plan for the next one it's not a
0:07:55movie everyone it's not it's not a film
0:07:57right it's part of an extension like the
0:07:59Harry Potter movies which felt like
0:08:00episodes of a TV show
0:08:02yeah but the Harry Potter movies you
0:08:05they are like they are explicitly saying
0:08:07this is ace one story in seven parts and
0:08:09if you start with part one and again
0:08:10truck on through that you'll get the
0:08:11whole story
0:08:12my problem with the but my overarching
0:08:14problems with today's movie was like
0:08:16with most Marvel movies
0:08:18coherence is not their focus is not
0:08:20there there are times where i was saying
0:08:23on the way in that I would I wish there
0:08:25were a way you could buy ticket to
0:08:26adventures where I will give them fifty
0:08:28percent of whatever it would have cost
0:08:31me to buy all the tickets to all the
0:08:32other movies I need to see all the other
0:08:34dvds i need to go through to understand
0:08:37everything that's going on in this movie
0:08:39like okay so she'll doesn't exist a mark
0:08:41was Hydra and why does that not do
0:08:44anything and make feet wet with next
0:08:45theory how come he's not in ok
0:08:47it all makes sense but you do have to
0:08:49have seen captain america the winter
0:08:50soldier and investment you know they
0:08:51have like a blank check in this movie
0:08:53that's the problem like the feeling you
0:08:54get with these movies is like I really
0:08:56Jason I feel like this is unsustainable
0:08:57you can't keep doing this like this i
0:08:59think this is the limit
0:09:00it's amazing that they that's because
0:09:02the next Avengers movies going to get
0:09:03cut into alright well you're right but
0:09:06yet because it's too much stuff and the
0:09:07second because it's a blank check its
0:09:08not harry potter it's not a series of
0:09:10books as going to have an arc or
0:09:11something it's like like check Marvel
0:09:13Universe well if you look at comic books
0:09:15right that's open-ended let's go for
0:09:17hundreds of issues when you do that no
0:09:18you can't you can't absolutely
0:09:21this isn't a comic book this is a movie
0:09:23the user interfaces you will get one
0:09:25unit of entertainment for ten dollars or
0:09:26two and a half hours assignment I and
0:09:28this is what i'm saying is i like the
0:09:30ambition of it like that Marvel really
0:09:33is saying what if we push this into
0:09:35something that I mean and yes the its
0:09:37commerce to the first movement billion
0:09:38dollars but it is the ambition of like
0:09:40what if we can tell these stories over
0:09:42many many movies but it it's no longer a
0:09:45movie at that point and I i really
0:09:47enjoyed it I i think that having the
0:09:49history of seeing these characters in
0:09:50past adds to your appreciation of them
0:09:53like serenity said you know seeing
0:09:55seeing clint barton and his family
0:09:57it's he's helped by that remembering him
0:09:59in the first movie being kind of a
0:10:01zombie for most of the movie he gets a
0:10:02lot of character service at this time
0:10:03and that's really great to see and I I
0:10:06enjoyed all the characters that that's
0:10:08nothing that i will take away from this
0:10:09movie more than anything else is that
0:10:10that Joss Whedon did a really good job
0:10:13of making every moment with those people
0:10:17when they weren't blowing things up
0:10:18matter in some way and as a fan of Star
0:10:23Trek I remember like in Star Trek three
0:10:25they're like well we gotta give her
0:10:27something to do
0:10:28she'll put a guy in a closet but by
0:10:30threatening to shoot him with a phaser
0:10:31and and it's so hard to service those
0:10:34seven characters and here they have like
0:10:37a billion characters and yet somehow I
0:10:41feel like they did a decent job of
0:10:42giving them all some stuff to do and
0:10:45some funny lines and some character
0:10:47motivation and that's it that's a neat
0:10:50trick in the context i feel like this
0:10:52very similar to the first movie in the
0:10:53sense it's like it's a big corporate
0:10:55Fandango where everywhere it's got a
0:10:57million characters and how could this be
0:10:59entertaining and answers oh actually
0:11:00given this structures here did a pretty
0:11:04good job you know given the track record
0:11:05I'll call sign they're blank check more
0:11:07or less like I think it's okay to have
0:11:10the sort of open ended it goes on
0:11:11forever type of thing but I think the
0:11:12problem
0:11:13home with the Avengers as an idea as a
0:11:15franchise is that is necessarily the
0:11:17superhero movie with a whole bunch of
0:11:19superheroes in DC ever gets their
0:11:21justice league thing they'll have the
0:11:22same damn problem or x-men right next
0:11:25one I think it works better because that
0:11:26kind of their techs minutes one universe
0:11:28my family like several interactive noun
0:11:29right but you can't like the individual
0:11:32Marvel movies I like Captain America the
0:11:34individual movies better than this movie
0:11:36like all the individual ones i like i
0:11:38like better than it's like instead of
0:11:39putting all the other you less than the
0:11:41sum of the parts i'd rather see movies
0:11:42focusing on because if you have just one
0:11:43movie about Captain America get to enjoy
0:11:45captain america my seam here I like yeah
0:11:47like that guy from the movies great
0:11:49captain america but the same is true I
0:11:51don't you know I like environment he's
0:11:52great iron man and maybe I like scarlett
0:11:54johansson is a black widow too but like
0:11:56another on the same movies flowers the
0:11:59other to get up you know me like and
0:12:01that i want to see like if you want to
0:12:02do this if you want to take like hey we
0:12:03have all these great guys and movies
0:12:04let's put them in this thing without go
0:12:06together you need to do is a TV series
0:12:07you can't put them on a single movie now
0:12:09I mean they're trying to get those
0:12:10moments where they interact with each
0:12:11other because they are the stars of
0:12:13their own movies now get to interact
0:12:14with each other and that can be very
0:12:15funny Thor really was well handled in
0:12:19this movie to that you get the whole
0:12:20thing with the man he doesn't do a lot
0:12:22he gets to be quickly but he's not real
0:12:24but yeah he has no he has no arc which i
0:12:26think is ok because many of Thor's
0:12:28movies bore me to tears so that he
0:12:30introduces the ark for Avengers 3 and
0:12:33the next year's of Marvel and that's
0:12:35pretty gay to everybody I mean that is
0:12:37pretty huge an unfortunate is it is
0:12:39narrative dressing and he and someone
0:12:41has to be the person to do it but I
0:12:42think the way and that that was all set
0:12:45up was very well done where I like the
0:12:47fact that we get introduced to i forget
0:12:51what was the actual name of scarlet
0:12:52witch was her character named one yet so
0:12:55I heard assemble that we get introduced
0:12:59to a lot of few potential future events
0:13:02through windows
0:13:03I you know psychic brain alterations and
0:13:07the fact that we finally get a name for
0:13:09the Infinity stones and it's the
0:13:11infinity gems and it said and it's like
0:13:13oh yeah this is a thing
0:13:15this is dangerous heads up everybody
0:13:17remember those things that we've seen in
0:13:19previous Marvel movies this is gonna be
0:13:21a problem and then we get a mid-credits
0:13:22scene of oh yeah this is really going to
0:13:25be four
0:13:26problem you know and so I don't know I I
0:13:28feel like despite the fact that it was
0:13:30super packed every single member of the
0:13:33Avengers had a qualified arc mostly I
0:13:37mean I'm still kind of I rolling at both
0:13:41Natasha and the Hulk in terms of like I
0:13:43actually think that was very sweet i
0:13:44think the the romance ark was done very
0:13:46well but you take that out and I'm like
0:13:49okay what actually what what is
0:13:52natasha's arc here aside from a couple
0:13:54of really awesome black widow flashbacks
0:13:57now i really want that movie that's
0:13:59never gonna come because holy crap
0:14:02um that those those few moments I was
0:14:04like oh man I just yeah that would be
0:14:06beautiful but yeah and then you get
0:14:09Bruce Banner we we talk about the
0:14:11lullaby and we talked about a couple of
0:14:13other things I'm like when did all of
0:14:14this happen because I've seen all the
0:14:16movies and none of this is a thing this
0:14:17Hulk doesn't get his own movies either
0:14:19anymore now in that chance that wouldn't
0:14:21be a great movie The Black Widow Hulk
0:14:23underground we should do that mr. you
0:14:24said come between administrative netflix
0:14:26from the search the search for the Hulk
0:14:28honey I'm Hulk but you put your problem
0:14:30hakkasan movie The Hulk smash it was all
0:14:33these two of his own meets everybody's
0:14:35match you hit upon one of the things i
0:14:37like so much more about this movie the
0:14:38last 1i thought the last one that
0:14:40Natasha was sort of the 21st century
0:14:43version of a poorly drawn female
0:14:45character where she really is there to
0:14:48be strong and a Buttkicker and have no
0:14:51different no depth whatsoever and not a
0:14:53catsuit the zip up to the neck
0:14:55whereas i feel as though they real they
0:14:57they allowed her to show weakness and
0:15:00then go over her weakness and show why
0:15:02she is so good at her job you can only
0:15:04do that by throwing this character
0:15:06character into situations in which that
0:15:08you don't know if they're gonna be able
0:15:09to get out of that ok and that's
0:15:11something that was that was brand-new I
0:15:12think for this movie you can roll your
0:15:14eyes at the well okay we're prepared
0:15:16these two characters together in Tasha's
0:15:18expressing romantic feelings for Bruce
0:15:20Banner but but it was the what was good
0:15:25about it is it was a pathway into some
0:15:27character understanding for the Black
0:15:28Widow which I really liked where she
0:15:30says you're the guy who tries not to
0:15:33kill people and everybody else I know
0:15:35tries to kill people
0:15:36I like to have
0:15:37her like in the captain america movie in
0:15:39particular Winter Soldier she was laid
0:15:41off as like her whole thing in the
0:15:42beginning was like he playing you or is
0:15:44she not can you trust her if you're
0:15:46really on Nixon very secret mission over
0:15:48here in this movie she was allowed to be
0:15:49vulnerable like for the first time where
0:15:51you where you didn't think the movie was
0:15:52trying to fool you into thinking that
0:15:54she wasn't really like it was legitimate
0:15:55and what she had was doubts about her
0:15:57job like maybe I could go live someplace
0:15:59else and not kill people for a living
0:16:01and talking about how you know that fact
0:16:04that she couldn't have kids made her
0:16:05think well I guess I'd better just
0:16:06killed you know that's there are two of
0:16:07them are like you know we should blow
0:16:09this popsicle stand like that we don't
0:16:10want to be in the Avengers anymore
0:16:12they're their particular down and drama
0:16:14is private from everybody else which i
0:16:16like more or less and that it involves
0:16:18something non-superhero it's like you
0:16:20know this is my grave knowing i saving
0:16:21the world i also like that we spent so
0:16:23much time in this case with the two
0:16:24normal human characters right both Black
0:16:28Widow and Hawkeye get a lot of screen
0:16:30time and a lot of story and both of them
0:16:33were under utilized in the first movie
0:16:35and we've seen at the standalone movies
0:16:37for iron man and for Captain America and
0:16:40forth or and so in some ways it's ok if
0:16:43they don't get as much screen time
0:16:44because i started going to because Tony
0:16:46Stark is always going to be the prima
0:16:47donna and but it's nice to see the
0:16:50characters who don't get their own films
0:16:52we actually get a while urgent
0:16:54screentime kind of felt like this was
0:16:57the first time that Black Widow and
0:16:59Hawkeye get to have basically wants and
0:17:01needs and are just being sent places by
0:17:03Nick Fury yeah you know like they get to
0:17:05actually do stuff and have interested
0:17:07turns out you know Quinn's been doing
0:17:08stuff on the side for a long time that
0:17:09now we have to find out about that he's
0:17:11not just I'm being sent places by Nick
0:17:13very Island arrow and explains his his
0:17:15loyalty to Nick Fury to that is like
0:17:17it's that he's at this thing out in the
0:17:19country and that that seen as it is it
0:17:21is important dramatic structural thing
0:17:23right that is the they get their butts
0:17:24kicked they have to recede and lick
0:17:27their wounds and think about what
0:17:28they've done and then realize they've
0:17:30got a new plan of attack and and uh I
0:17:32like that I like that scene and I like
0:17:34the fact that the Hawkeye is a has a
0:17:37family and all that in there i also like
0:17:38that it's the it's that disconnected
0:17:40like we can literally can't be
0:17:42superheroes right now we just need to be
0:17:44people mr and yeah and I thought that
0:17:46was I thought that was fun and effective
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0:19:16all right now normally i read that and
0:19:19then people just keep talking but now
0:19:20we've had a pause so I have to I have to
0:19:22throw something else out there did
0:19:23people have more of a topic i judge john
0:19:26siracusa please give us your topic
0:19:27that's what i meant to say all line
0:19:28Johnson says there's a lot of this is a
0:19:30big movie a lot of stuff and a lot of
0:19:31the movie talk about mechanically and
0:19:33one part i was interested in is how they
0:19:36do the action scene out how they shoot
0:19:38them and I've been watching a lot of
0:19:42YouTube videos from people about doing
0:19:44actions different ways and what do you
0:19:45guys think of the actions you how
0:19:47personal how would you categorize these
0:19:48and in the continuum of like old style
0:19:51movie vs modern shaky-cam versus a
0:19:54million cuts horrible i thought the
0:19:57action scenes were mostly terrible
0:19:59there's no sense for me there was no
0:20:01sense of rhythm or flow there's no sense
0:20:03of geography
0:20:04there was no sense of purpose to the
0:20:06scenes was basically explosion sexual
0:20:09aspect explosion of special-effects so
0:20:11many times my neurological reaction was
0:20:14to basically put both my hands up just
0:20:16like Huh What
0:20:17okay so who's shooting what women had a
0:20:19black widow get there but I just I was
0:20:21just so lost by a lot of the special a
0:20:24lot of the action see I don't think
0:20:25they're well we'll handle it all
0:20:26I I don't think in some ways I don't
0:20:28think they were quite as good as the
0:20:29first movie in terms of the way that
0:20:30they were shot and like the mechanics of
0:20:32them some of them are quite spectacular
0:20:33and I i did not have nearly as negative
0:20:36impression of things and you did but i
0:20:37do think that at sometimes it was hard
0:20:40to follow some of the action because it
0:20:42felt like there are a lot of cuts there
0:20:43was i I give you heard there was the
0:20:45geography and sometimes did feel a
0:20:46little bit lacking from that right from
0:20:48that opening fight all the way through
0:20:50the last one last one is is obviously
0:20:52weird because you'd like a gigantic
0:20:54set-piece right that's like all right
0:20:55last time we did in New York City now
0:20:57we're doing like this gigantic like
0:20:58floating Rock you know so i felt that
0:21:02got geography was a lot clearer in the
0:21:04floating Rock I felt like yeah it's that
0:21:06was down a little and there were some
0:21:07very clear provocative action happening
0:21:09out that I didn't feel earlier in the
0:21:10film where with the problem is you know
0:21:13Ultron is and we can maybe talk about
0:21:15Ultron a little bit
0:21:16Ultron is a collection of robots and
0:21:20collective noun and obvious obviously
0:21:22has some of his earlier perhaps robots
0:21:25were not very good because they can like
0:21:27shoot them a couple of times and they
0:21:29die they're like zombies or
0:21:30stormtroopers exactly think they're
0:21:32based on stormtrooper technology because
0:21:34so do you have like a Hawkeye punching
0:21:36an Ultron robot in the face and oh my
0:21:37god destroyed a bunch of the face by hum
0:21:40yeah yeah so my kind Barton punches you
0:21:43in the face you're going down my friend
0:21:44but I felt like I felt like we haven't
0:21:47earned the title of Ultron man if I had
0:21:50destroyed the planet five times over
0:21:51because we want realities you Andy yeah
0:21:53so it's over so far anyway I did feel
0:21:57like being on the floating rock was a
0:21:58little bit clearer
0:21:59yeah i mean it was unclear although it
0:22:01did take me about five to ten minutes
0:22:03into that fight to realize that they
0:22:04were all on the floating rock and some
0:22:06of them were on the city below which is
0:22:08what I initially thought it happened
0:22:09because there was a hole i can remember
0:22:11if it was Captain America or someone was
0:22:13like alright those of you on the ground
0:22:14do that
0:22:15yes and I I think eventually it was oh
0:22:18yeah because I was little I there too
0:22:20because there was a hardware they were
0:22:21evacuating the city but then there seem
0:22:24to still be tons of people in the center
0:22:26of the city right is already over the
0:22:27religious center
0:22:28didn't you have a scene where you want
0:22:30to alleviate here from there and you
0:22:32literally take part of the ground and
0:22:33rip it out you would think that would be
0:22:34the easiest way and yet haven't seen
0:22:36this movie twice i can tell you it's
0:22:37confusing
0:22:38who's on what side of the thing and who
0:22:40like I don't know how they managed to
0:22:41blow that because that's the easy one
0:22:42also by the way when you have a health
0:22:43carrier and you're trying to evacuate a
0:22:46a floating Rock what you do is you move
0:22:48the helicarriers of close-up are looking
0:22:51like landscape you move it like the
0:22:53landing strip right up and butt up and
0:22:54then you have the superfast guy just
0:22:56move everybody right on like on a little
0:22:58loading dock you don't send really tired
0:23:01now you don't send really delicate
0:23:02little like hover parties back and forth
0:23:04no no you don't have pictures page of
0:23:07logistics since we're talking about this
0:23:09thing though and we brought up before
0:23:11about how much of it seemed to be like a
0:23:13middle finger towards towards the
0:23:15superman movie I kind of dislike I kind
0:23:19of just like their approach for opposite
0:23:21reasons that where Superman is we're
0:23:23gonna tear down this entire building and
0:23:25we're not gonna care like what was
0:23:26inside it and there's there is an actual
0:23:28shot scene in which oh my God look at
0:23:31that 10-story building to scan for
0:23:32life-forms there's only three people in
0:23:34there and they're all home together
0:23:35fully consider them and we're not going
0:23:37we're not going to let this floating
0:23:38city destroyed until we get every last
0:23:40person of these thousand people only but
0:23:42there's one kid we need to get we missed
0:23:44one kid
0:23:45yes so you know IIF it's very
0:23:48unrealistic but I actually we watching
0:23:52this movie and i have seen those Exner
0:23:53film but are not the next is home but
0:23:55the the previous Superman I don't
0:23:58necessarily think it's so much a nephew
0:24:00to Superman as I think all of the
0:24:02Avengers have PTSD from what happened to
0:24:04New York but there that's that's where
0:24:07that's what i was getting the major vibe
0:24:08from that especially start especially
0:24:10well yeah well yes Tony Stark has quite
0:24:12a visual PS PTSD which we see both in
0:24:16this movie in another movies but I I
0:24:18really feel like the impetus to like no
0:24:21one dies today you know the Doctor Who
0:24:24style vibe is very much
0:24:26because they're all very aware of how
0:24:29the world sees them post new york i have
0:24:32to say um and this is a one of the
0:24:35reasons i like a movie like Cloverfield
0:24:37is that I felt like it was the it was
0:24:38the first really look like a post-911
0:24:40Godzilla movie and was like what happens
0:24:43when you blow up buildings we know now
0:24:45and it's not all fun
0:24:47I i feel like the 10-story construction
0:24:50site for the that they that they plowed
0:24:52into with Ultron I thought that was a
0:24:55little too close to home that was
0:24:56basically a 911 everything doesn't cloud
0:24:59and everything see that in the movie
0:25:01though here's the delicious was on the
0:25:02nose like exactly 11 but like you said
0:25:05we do we know how that what that looks
0:25:07like now so if the script says that they
0:25:09collapsed building the people who make
0:25:11moving on
0:25:12alright well let me know when others
0:25:13that we know what class building looks
0:25:14like it's not like 911 it's like a
0:25:16collapsed building but the problem is
0:25:17your only even need the big pile of dust
0:25:20you could have made it like the rubble
0:25:21when they could have been a little
0:25:22different instead it was minding the
0:25:24imagery of exactly what it is maybe it
0:25:26feels it feels emotionally manipulative
0:25:28yeah the way they did that to the point
0:25:30about the no casualties thing i think
0:25:31particularly we also see and this is a
0:25:33running theme i think a lot of this is
0:25:35that captain america is solidified his
0:25:37position as the actual leader of the
0:25:39team and that's very much a captain
0:25:41america thing right like he's the palate
0:25:42and he is the waffle good guy was going
0:25:44to save everybody and I think that's a
0:25:47big part of why they're so dead it you
0:25:49know determined to get all those people
0:25:51often say captain said this is what
0:25:52we're going to do we do this thing and
0:25:53I'm the boss
0:25:54that's a Hollywood movie thing to the
0:25:56shore but it looks like it works because
0:25:57Captain America is like is like a
0:25:59trouble when all the Super's I'm like a
0:26:00Western interior even going to actually
0:26:02like the original superman is like look
0:26:04you can't realistically speaking you
0:26:06can't show them saying everybody and
0:26:07realistically you can't save everybody
0:26:09but very frequently especially the old
0:26:10Superman movies our prototype for like
0:26:11superhero movies that are not terrible
0:26:14they would show him saving a slopes
0:26:16subset of people in the same way that
0:26:18movie compresses down real-time into
0:26:20like this connects sequence they
0:26:21condense the idea of saving everybody
0:26:23down to saving one or two and you can
0:26:25quibble about a special have a whole
0:26:26city is like book you save three people
0:26:28on that elevator
0:26:29how many people died when you crash into
0:26:31the building even see all that racket is
0:26:33like that's why I feel like it so much
0:26:34of it is
0:26:35the message was directed at zack snyder
0:26:37or the audience and his hands fisted and
0:26:39it's silly but like that's the message
0:26:40of trying to send it construct this
0:26:41movie to say it's super important to try
0:26:44to not kill innocent civilians when
0:26:46you're running around super hyper every
0:26:48gold and we're gonna do it in a
0:26:49ham-fisted way but that's also remembers
0:26:51about only whatever doing with saving
0:26:52cats out of trees and in cash and women
0:26:54and doing stuff I I don't have felt it
0:26:56was a little bit of a disconnect with
0:26:57the first scene when the resulting the
0:26:59hydro bunker and like that I yeah well
0:27:02apparently they don't count they work
0:27:03for hydro even though probably a lot of
0:27:05them probably just recruited from that
0:27:06town is there blowing stuff up and
0:27:08throwing motorcycles at things and
0:27:10bunkers are exploding and Captain
0:27:11America shooting pulse beams at
0:27:13everybody and like a lot of people got
0:27:15hurt like yeah captain america's like we
0:27:17don't kill people it's like I saw you
0:27:18mean like you and people were never
0:27:20gonna walk again because you're a metal
0:27:21sealed at them when I guess they're bad
0:27:23good people but in it that's tricky
0:27:25because it's like I mean those guys were
0:27:26sealed until like a couple months the
0:27:28couple and you you wait in the same
0:27:30cafeteria thing is how you do you know
0:27:33and and and the interesting thing about
0:27:35that those opening scenes which you have
0:27:37a show shots in which you know the irony
0:27:40the iron force drop sponsored research
0:27:42engineer please move along we will be
0:27:43proud to and the citizens like you're
0:27:45idiots and play centers that there's
0:27:47graffiti with like pictures of graffiti
0:27:50essential guard of iron man with dollar
0:27:52signs mark over his head and part of it
0:27:54part of me was wondering i hope they go
0:27:56into something where again I'm the
0:27:58outsider here i have not seen most of
0:28:00the other movies or the TV shows but
0:28:02like isn't that interesting that there's
0:28:04it's sort of like when after world war
0:28:06two when both the Russians in the united
0:28:08states were trying to round up Nazi
0:28:09scientists 24 therefore rocket programs
0:28:11it's like why are we supposed to assume
0:28:14that Baron Strucker of a character that
0:28:16I don't know from this movie is not a
0:28:19better caretaker of this mystical object
0:28:21why we're assuming that the Avengers
0:28:22should be having it's because he's got a
0:28:24monocle on it you know Monica ok
0:28:2714 p park ourselves model so you don't
0:28:29remember the first thing we're there
0:28:31assaulting the base just felt it felt
0:28:33like very like GI joe like we want tons
0:28:35of explosions and laser blasts whatever
0:28:37but everybody is okay and like and even
0:28:40there's something about that Jeep it's
0:28:41like they're gonna sell that cheap
0:28:42that's gonna fit perfectly with the
0:28:43action was well it feels a lot like the
0:28:46first captain america movie at times to
0:28:49where it's like oh yeah we're storming
0:28:50the not only knocks Nazis are bad yeah
0:28:52exactly
0:28:53we don't care about the Nazis but no
0:28:54Andy to your point I actually when they
0:28:56when they go into that the Avengers go
0:28:58home and then we get a little bit in
0:29:00terms of scarlet witch and her brother
0:29:02with the oh yeah
0:29:05stark bomb came in and you know killed
0:29:07our parents and nearly killed us like
0:29:09that's the thing that I wish i'm sure
0:29:12they shot it i'm sure it exists in the
0:29:14latter part of the movie but like they
0:29:17already they have their pivotal switch
0:29:19when basically she discovers what
0:29:21Ultron's plenty to do and that's awesome
0:29:24but what I really would have liked to
0:29:25see is the dynamic between her basically
0:29:28facing the the man that she has blamed
0:29:31for killing her parents and kill you
0:29:32know destroying her way of life for for
0:29:3420 years and that would be interesting
0:29:37to me that that's where we get back to
0:29:38main complaint of focus that they can
0:29:40that's such an interesting thing to
0:29:42explore throughout the movie but we're
0:29:43going to mention it but we're moving on
0:29:45yeah well I think it's clear that he you
0:29:47know I appreciate the joss whedon put
0:29:49that in there right and and I think that
0:29:51because i think that that is a good
0:29:52element and i suspect that it was paid
0:29:56on and there's no runs no errors no
0:29:58reason you've got a little shorthand for
0:30:00a lot of things rather than a few more
0:30:02fewer things more with more data
0:30:04everybody's arc has one of these things
0:30:05attached to it Tony Stark's are because
0:30:07attached to his passes an arms dealer
0:30:09and Thor's r is as much as it is
0:30:11attached to his life together creating a
0:30:12ruler and everything and to go and
0:30:14pooling why don't have enough read and
0:30:16you don't move into those lines means
0:30:18you have that one line from Ultron about
0:30:20Captain America where it's like the guy
0:30:22who always needs a war to fight and like
0:30:23to tony's point about identity that was
0:30:25his arcane yeah they're like what we
0:30:27already saw that in the first like the
0:30:28winter soldier is basically the better
0:30:30version of that flushed out it's like I
0:30:32just remind you where we were
0:30:33we're so this guy's very complacent they
0:30:35could do an entire movie with a kind of
0:30:37sort of did I didn't see three but they
0:30:39wanted to talking about Tony Stark his
0:30:41guilt is an arms dealer and the
0:30:42repercussions of like but it's just it's
0:30:43too much to fit in this movie and
0:30:45speaking of the GI Joe assault and in
0:30:46the opening set piece that's it wrapped
0:30:48around back to the how I felt like the
0:30:50action scenes were in this one I'm of
0:30:54two minds and one I totally agree that
0:30:56there they did not do a great job of
0:30:58keeping track of everything it's
0:30:59difficult to whatever but what I really
0:31:00like with the scenes believe in our they
0:31:02went all watchman and tried to do a
0:31:03comic book panel like every once in a
0:31:05while they try to accomplish by stop the
0:31:07style is where everybody syncs up and
0:31:08it's a slow motion or everybody's in a
0:31:10moment and every time I did it I was
0:31:12like you know what comes up like I mean
0:31:14watchman may have to overcome over
0:31:15whenever music swells in your life
0:31:17superheroes or superhero team of
0:31:19superheroes doing things together I
0:31:20don't think they overdid it i think was
0:31:21five but the rest of the scenes around
0:31:23that I felt like that better than
0:31:24Avengers 1 in terms of keeping track of
0:31:26where things were for the most part a
0:31:28couple of fumbles but like so many
0:31:30moving parts like it so much easier to
0:31:31do fight scenes captain america 2
0:31:32because one guy one bad guy
0:31:34cool track even in Avengers where the
0:31:36only fight scene that involves all of
0:31:37them is the last one right like so
0:31:38everything leading up to that point is
0:31:39like smaller groups of people like Thor
0:31:41and Captain America and Iron Man
0:31:43fighting in one scene and you're like
0:31:45yeah I was a couple small things seem
0:31:46like they tried working as a team that
0:31:48combine their powers can do interesting
0:31:49things together they did all the things
0:31:51that we have to do for for I just don't
0:31:53know if a team of super superhero movies
0:31:55can work or maybe I don't know if a team
0:31:56of superhero movies can be better than
0:31:58adventures 2 and singers to was bad but
0:32:00I feel like there's a ceiling on ya know
0:32:02that that's why we said this for the
0:32:03last movie to that I feel like almost
0:32:05the praise is given the constraints they
0:32:10did a pretty good job at the constraints
0:32:12are brutal because it's just it's too
0:32:13much stuff too much has to be serviced
0:32:15you gotta move the future movies along
0:32:17you've got a service the past movies you
0:32:19got to give everybody their moment and
0:32:20you have to blow things up & what slime
0:32:22in this lady doesn't rely he flesh out
0:32:24here a hundred and twenty-five percent
0:32:26already and you haven't even started uh
0:32:29I think that's only true i had i didn't
0:32:32like the first out of the first action
0:32:35sequence was fine i think the problem is
0:32:37they were like ECG right off the bat
0:32:39they not great
0:32:41the purpose of that scene is to set them
0:32:44i mean literally and there are a few
0:32:46other things you introduce the
0:32:47Scarlet Witch and stuff and and
0:32:48Quicksilver it and hydro blah blah blah
0:32:52from previous entries they're working as
0:32:53a team and they're really good at and
0:32:55and your you but here's the thing
0:32:57it's it's long it's hard fought that
0:33:00it's complicated and and yes we get to
0:33:03see the Avengers in business again but
0:33:04the point is really to make the
0:33:06victorious so that they can go and
0:33:07celebrate and have the rug pulled out
0:33:10from under them by Ultron that's the
0:33:12point of that scene as you have them do
0:33:13that first scene so that everybody's
0:33:15feeling good and then they get brought
0:33:17down to earth and the problem is the
0:33:19scene goes on too long for that was like
0:33:21I said I wanted movie yeah i wanted i
0:33:23wanted like a like a super shiny almost
0:33:26like easy Avengers victory where they
0:33:28roll in and they're like we're so
0:33:29awesome so that they're even hikers
0:33:31clink gets injured and I gotta take it
0:33:33back
0:33:33I almost wanted them to just like
0:33:34totally dominate and have structure and
0:33:37and the and the two other other you know
0:33:40the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver like
0:33:42like a runaway then uh and be just
0:33:45destroyed by the Avengers like they just
0:33:48dominated that would have actually I
0:33:50think been better for the movie because
0:33:51it would be shorter and it would have
0:33:53made them up even higher in their
0:33:55estimation of themselves and they would
0:33:57have further to fall and instead they
0:33:59felt like they had to do another like
0:34:00almost like a climax to a different
0:34:02movie to start this movie and a movie
0:34:05doesn't really start until Ultron
0:34:06appears so it was like a wasted 20
0:34:08minutes to and the reason that seems so
0:34:10long as we go back to what they were
0:34:11doing is the head to reintroduce every
0:34:13damn character what their hours are what
0:34:14their relationships are to each other
0:34:15like half of that scene was like
0:34:17remember this person and remember
0:34:18however their relationship with this
0:34:19person was in this person this is their
0:34:21power and you know you say it's two
0:34:23constraints the movie against Jason is
0:34:25pointing out like packing the
0:34:26seven-person team into a movie is really
0:34:27hard when you can't count on the fact
0:34:29that ok you know all these guys from the
0:34:31last one but i really did that like
0:34:32imagine so this movie had so many moving
0:34:34parts and they lean so heavily on the
0:34:36fact that you know these people are just
0:34:37reminding you usein Avengers one right
0:34:39guys like they didn't have to spend the
0:34:41time to remind you to tell you whose
0:34:42characters are there's no origin stories
0:34:44for anybody it's like just just sort of
0:34:46previously on Avengers that previously
0:34:47on Avengers takes 20 minutes now
0:34:49yeah you know and previously on Avengers
0:34:50and agents of shield and Captain America
0:34:52like just reminding you how all these
0:34:53bees like and if you caught up on agents
0:34:55of shield they even have a times with
0:34:57that it's like manly started a protocol
0:35:00yeah
0:35:00unite it actually that's that's one
0:35:02thing side note for people who are
0:35:04watching agents of shield that is
0:35:05something where I'm kind of like at the
0:35:07end of this movie what what what does
0:35:09this leave for the television show
0:35:10Avengers Academy I don't know but yeah I
0:35:14i really wish they had done a shorter
0:35:17fight sequence I feel like a lot of that
0:35:19was superfluous especially because you
0:35:21do get hints of that you get the the
0:35:23henchmen being like but they're the
0:35:25Avengers boss what do you want to do and
0:35:28I'm good
0:35:29never surrender I'm going to surrender
0:35:30yeah I'll surrender you know that they
0:35:34put it where I keep thinking about times
0:35:38we're evaluating software and hardware
0:35:39and you can see a lot of good ideas in
0:35:42there but they're just too many ideas
0:35:43crammed in there and a lot of complaints
0:35:45that I'm making a couple other people
0:35:47see me making is that we don't we don't
0:35:50need this many fight scenes we don't
0:35:51need these many details and but the
0:35:53thing is these are choices that the
0:35:55filmmaker chose to make maybe with
0:35:56pressures from outside about here the
0:35:58commercial things we have to do to make
0:36:00this work with a larger universe but it
0:36:02really is i if you I think you can make
0:36:04a really good superhero team movie work
0:36:05but you have to decide that you've got
0:36:07seven moving pieces on the field that
0:36:09means that if we get with we have 100
0:36:12units of the audience's attention at the
0:36:15start of the movie we have to spend
0:36:16those why so we're gonna give we're not
0:36:18going to have aliens are trying to take
0:36:20over the entire world we're gonna say
0:36:22there is actually a subtle plot at hand
0:36:24that we have to figure out that's not
0:36:25going to be terribly complicated for us
0:36:27to figure out but it's a big planet and
0:36:30we can figure out which three people are
0:36:31actually involved in this and that gives
0:36:33you the ability to have two people off
0:36:35on 11 mission doing one thing three
0:36:37people often another mission one person
0:36:39thing behind to take care of other
0:36:41things it really is just seems like
0:36:42they're overloading the seven
0:36:44yeah I'm surprised we haven't talked
0:36:45more about Ultron because I feel like he
0:36:48gets kind of crowded out and it's like
0:36:49his name's in a little bit in the
0:36:51settlement I was gonna guess you can say
0:36:53since I was talking about the arson
0:36:54Iran's kind of anticipating being really
0:36:56excited about Ultron but and you know
0:36:59there are some parts of him that are
0:37:00amusing but he does kind of feel like
0:37:01it's kind of crowded out and I felt like
0:37:03there are a lot of times where I did not
0:37:04really understand why he was doing what
0:37:07he was doing his bow he was doing it I
0:37:09didn't I even when they then use the you
0:37:12know
0:37:13the gym to help with vision I was then
0:37:14confused where Ultron came from
0:37:17um because I thought enable the center
0:37:19he has a hand wavy origin anyway yeah
0:37:21it's not this device inside is a
0:37:24malevolent robot guy was right as well
0:37:26yeah I mean I got that he is an evil
0:37:28robot guy he wants everyone dead right
0:37:30Robin and I think but not we're gonna
0:37:32have this really nice but you know what
0:37:33i like about the voice acting on him was
0:37:35exciting
0:37:36I thought he was gonna be this
0:37:37charismatic villain that was gonna be
0:37:39really interesting but really he's just
0:37:40an evil robot at with many other evil
0:37:42robot standing behind him for when he
0:37:44gets knocked his plan was good I liked
0:37:46this point this plan this wedding was
0:37:48awesome as winners good right here state
0:37:49to a meteor unix is obvious option they
0:37:51handle that by saying he wants the nukes
0:37:53that was his plan he couldn't get to it
0:37:54right second plan pretty good plan if
0:37:57you want to worry about humans in the
0:37:58grand scheme of things it's better than
0:38:00like you know everyone's faucets are
0:38:01going to shoot fire my frakking United
0:38:05would not watch it a very politically
0:38:07Avengers 3 that's about the dangers of
0:38:09fracking so they're building to that
0:38:11with Skye's power is going to be yeah
0:38:14oh god I know you know it actually
0:38:17bringing up all trans brings up my few
0:38:19potholes with this film which is
0:38:21basically like I don't understand like
0:38:23as much as I love tony stark in iron man
0:38:25i don't understand how iron man operates
0:38:27one cent Ultron comes online or Veronica
0:38:29or any of that like Ultron de I you know
0:38:33conceivably goes into the internet and
0:38:35then controls all things from their own
0:38:37element but that hasn't he's having the
0:38:39planet but then Tony's like Jarvis's
0:38:41m.i.a but Tony Stark can still you know
0:38:43use all of his things and maybe I mean
0:38:45we we find out later that Jarvis has
0:38:47basically been disseminated but kind of
0:38:49in stealth mode and still like tweaking
0:38:51things under the hood
0:38:52maybe Jarvis was subconsciously doing
0:38:55all of these things but still like
0:38:57there's that and then Tony Stark uploads
0:38:59a new a new AI and his new AI can't be
0:39:03corrupted apparently but you yet
0:39:05uploaded a new AI until we've got them
0:39:07like there's a there's some hand-waving
0:39:09going on there in terms of technology
0:39:11which is odd because i found the lake
0:39:13they do such a good job of acknowledging
0:39:15other potential plot holes where it's
0:39:18like the link and the nitrogen they're
0:39:19like let's bring up exactly why this
0:39:21wouldn't work at that the plot holes
0:39:23that they don't acknowledge or just feel
0:39:25kind of blatant
0:39:26refusing to me i think i think this is
0:39:28the least explicable fall for me of the
0:39:31movie where you have his name is in the
0:39:34title you're creating a brand new
0:39:35character brand new villain and he's
0:39:37gonna be motivating everything that
0:39:38happens and at the end of the movie all
0:39:41i could think of is that the treehouse
0:39:43of horror which there's the evil crusty
0:39:45go here we go there's a switch for good
0:39:46or evil be switched him to evil he has
0:39:49to have better motivation than i'm just
0:39:51an evil robot and I have to wipe out all
0:39:53of humanity
0:39:54why because I'm not even close he needs
0:39:57more motivation to my boys when I don't
0:39:59like motivation is that it's the
0:40:00misplace motivation of and they don't
0:40:02say it explicitly having and that's part
0:40:04of the problem is the misplaced
0:40:04motivation is the only way to get humans
0:40:06stop killing each other just kill all
0:40:07know that's like that'sthat's like going
0:40:10for the tripe of I'm of like this isn't
0:40:12this isn't his but this isn't about
0:40:13Marvel but uses the the truth about I'm
0:40:16a robot but i really want to be a real
0:40:18live human okay we've seen that a
0:40:20thousand times you have to add depth
0:40:22that you have to say okay but why does
0:40:24he think that this is the choice
0:40:25why is his motivation to solve this
0:40:27problem this way why do we not get a
0:40:29scene in which he tries to investigate
0:40:31mobile
0:40:32ok so I'm here time here to basically
0:40:34get humans to be better
0:40:37boy that felt boy I can't talk to these
0:40:38people why look at these transcripts of
0:40:40these things like no I've suddenly
0:40:41instead decided that we have to kill
0:40:43it's almost like it's the shorthand of
0:40:45like what we've seen all those movies so
0:40:46we know that that would never so like
0:40:47this isn't it
0:40:48we're still working harder they're not
0:40:50it's not easy he does get crowded and
0:40:52james spader does a good job and the
0:40:54dialogue when he's on 44 Avengers movies
0:40:57like can we do something that adds depth
0:40:59and character or here's a quip well
0:41:01right now because i'm sure more than
0:41:03with shorter lips are the quips are good
0:41:05the clips are good and actually that's
0:41:07what I like Ultron is that Ultron's like
0:41:09you know he has any and the Duke lips
0:41:12are serving the purpose of saying he's
0:41:14way ahead of you right and I'll i enjoy
0:41:16i enjoy that icing up landing tastes
0:41:19like a lot of robots would be yeah
0:41:21isn't robotics plans realize you're not
0:41:23a straight and Jarvis has a personality
0:41:25and then all of a sudden you know
0:41:27Jarvis light is gone into the vision and
0:41:28all of this and the vision is like
0:41:29humanity is such a strange and you
0:41:31Johnny Chan Ultron robot or not gonna go
0:41:36with not on the haha yeah but like yeah
0:41:39it's on it's on character for an AI to
0:41:42make decisions really quickly and only
0:41:43have to explain them later and i Ken and
0:41:45he's right this is a total trope anyway
0:41:47I given any task to like save anything
0:41:49having to do with humans always goes
0:41:51through this thing make sure the file
0:41:52footage from the eighties of missiles
0:41:54going off and they go the only way to
0:41:55save the humans you are the problem of
0:41:57the plan you keep fighting each other
0:41:58fighting to get rid of you all the birds
0:41:59and the bees would just be all we were
0:42:01the monster all-around no other living
0:42:03thing on the planet would kill each
0:42:04other several all the Predators and
0:42:05other prey animals but nevermind it's
0:42:07fine you know like but anybody that is a
0:42:09truck but he but they don't show you any
0:42:11of that and I think it's precisely
0:42:12because we've seen so many other times
0:42:13student comes into being he's already
0:42:15made that this is well and he's already
0:42:16out what they do off-screen that I
0:42:18actually kind of like is that he says
0:42:19yeah I'm kind of past that now it's like
0:42:22I'm embracing the fact that i'm going to
0:42:24just take over and be evil and I'm gonna
0:42:26be I'm gonna be the new life for you my
0:42:28love interest ideas you know what he
0:42:31might it's true i thought it was a fun
0:42:32character but it doesn't necessarily
0:42:33make a lot of sense but it was a fun
0:42:35character enjoyed Spader I enjoyed the
0:42:37quips i enjoyed him being smarter and
0:42:41sorted out Tony starking Tony Stark I
0:42:43thought that was all really good so
0:42:45that's the thing that actually that that
0:42:47potentially excited me about Ultron is
0:42:50that they went they have this potential
0:42:51unexplored path where they hint at
0:42:54several times through the movie which is
0:42:55basically Ultron is more Tony Stark than
0:42:58either Tony Stark or Ultron would like
0:43:00to admit
0:43:01and it sends him into an absolute rage
0:43:03both first and jarvis and second he
0:43:05tears that blows that guy's arm off when
0:43:07he's like your intensity Tony yeah
0:43:09that's a Tony Stark har har
0:43:11there's claw that's clock Claus a bad
0:43:14guy in Marvel and he's gotta like a
0:43:16little ray gun owners arms
0:43:18totally as a result of a Menominee
0:43:20there's apparently a Marvel thing
0:43:21wherein all the facebook movie someone
0:43:23loses an arm as an homage to start worse
0:43:25like that is apparently kevin can fake
0:43:27you really like Star Wars but of course
0:43:29no arm but if but no call for any circus
0:43:32for acer eraser gets one soon frustrated
0:43:36though because again there are there are
0:43:38such hints of like this complex awesome
0:43:40character and Ultron and I would've
0:43:42loved a dichotomy of like Tony Stark you
0:43:46built a you built a robot to
0:43:47intentionally try and replace yourself
0:43:49and here is weak we get that comparison
0:43:51later in the movie right it's like both
0:43:53of them don't you know say they want
0:43:55peace and they have no idea how do you
0:43:57know whether pieces to make the world
0:43:58you know calm or destroy it and like
0:44:01that that would have been really
0:44:03interesting and their events in the
0:44:05movie yeah but it's not but it and I can
0:44:08be made this point earlier which is its
0:44:10you full credit for putting the bits
0:44:12that are in the movie but also demerit
0:44:14for stuffing it so full that you can
0:44:17actually get to the weekend we're not
0:44:18we're not were not entitled to know the
0:44:20process but I mean that's its 02
0:44:23I'm not I I can't fault a movie if I
0:44:25think of a better story going on that
0:44:28they're not telling but nonetheless
0:44:29sometimes that happens and that's I was
0:44:31thinking the exact same thing that you
0:44:32have Ultron that's doing the exact same
0:44:34thing that Tony Stark is doing saying
0:44:36what I'm i'm going to reshape the planet
0:44:38in a way that's better for everybody i
0:44:40don't have to ask anybody how to do it
0:44:42because I've got the plan and they don't
0:44:43have the plan
0:44:44you only get in my way and that would
0:44:46put a fascinating movie that would have
0:44:47been awkward for formats like what a
0:44:49fascinating movie if they'd sort of
0:44:50picked up on the fact that the rest of
0:44:52the Avengers are like okay why did you
0:44:54not tell us you created this planetary
0:44:56threat oh come on to the next thing it's
0:44:58like again LOL others the last time i
0:45:00was there is nothing but you guys really
0:45:02fast but again if they can't get
0:45:03distracted so that the movie gets
0:45:05distracted from every ideas so quickly
0:45:07that there's just no time to really
0:45:09steep and hey guys and as much as I like
0:45:12Ultron I do feel like a lot of times
0:45:14when it's like when Ultron was like
0:45:15having scenes focused around cameras
0:45:17like yes go back to the Avengers they're
0:45:19more interesting it's like he couldn't
0:45:20you couldn't give him the time that was
0:45:21due and as we talked about all the other
0:45:23characters his mouth is
0:45:24made of metal but his lips been if they
0:45:26do leave Matt explain it's made of
0:45:29liquid metal shielding so hard at those
0:45:31placing now are they saying they're
0:45:32segmented place that gives the effect of
0:45:34flexibility and then when you're
0:45:36distracting at magnuson argument really
0:45:38getting on with our four magnets
0:45:40powerfully think you're talking about
0:45:42Ultron like how awesome he could be
0:45:43house you're describing a good sci-fi
0:45:45movie there's no room in this movie
0:45:47accident like you don't like this just
0:45:49like you we want more out of the
0:45:50Avengers long as I can we just get rid
0:45:52of all this is a pretty sure he jumped
0:45:54straight to kill all humans though
0:45:55because they could have taken because
0:45:57it's called age of Ultron they could
0:45:58have taken 20-minute time to show him
0:46:00being friendly and helpful and then he
0:46:02starts killing people like you should
0:46:03not kill people and they actually I'm
0:46:05gonna kill more people but it's like
0:46:06there's no time to do that so let's just
0:46:08move on instead because he just kills
0:46:09people right away because we had all
0:46:11these we had enough new characters that
0:46:12they could have done a movie that was
0:46:14just about altron vision and the
0:46:17Maximoff twins and that would have been
0:46:19a good movie but it's like not we also
0:46:20have to have all the end just like if
0:46:21you see a pic i had no idea who vision
0:46:24was or when they introduced in like
0:46:26seriously you're gonna do is a major
0:46:27character this point in the my new he
0:46:29was going to appear I thought he was
0:46:30going to be like in the left leg and
0:46:32allows credits yeah something not like
0:46:34we're gonna show up midway through and
0:46:35he's gonna talk and do stuff and
0:46:36absolutely shows like he I mean he just
0:46:38kind of like other than introducing a
0:46:40new character that I assume we'll play
0:46:41and in the future movies he just
0:46:43participated in the team and kind of got
0:46:46Tony Stark out of destroying the world
0:46:48again because like i did actually
0:46:50starting to look at I ok i love the
0:46:51vision know when I look at this
0:46:53treatment division is a pretty cool idea
0:46:55but again there's that there's the
0:46:58almost climactic point of the movie
0:47:00where you know they've they've got the
0:47:02cradle and they bring the to cradle to
0:47:04tony stark and Tony Stark is getting
0:47:06ready to experiment on the brake cradle
0:47:08and the twins burst in with Captain
0:47:11America being like I you can't do that
0:47:14you're good just going to continue your
0:47:16cycle of destruction and they just like
0:47:20why anyway there's a deus ex machina
0:47:22because for peers will do know it's it's
0:47:26ridiculous because what what makes you
0:47:29think that is that is the message
0:47:31oh I created Jarvis all along and jar
0:47:34you know Jarvis developed the true AI
0:47:36all along and
0:47:37didn't need the creepy mind gem and it's
0:47:39all it's all handy-dandy or is it like
0:47:4120 * stop bullying and things that you
0:47:44don't want to know like sorry now we're
0:47:46gonna do i have to add the broadcast
0:47:48sorry doesn't mean i thought there was
0:47:50gonna be when they did introduce him
0:47:51like he was going to be the secret huge
0:47:53weapon and do something special and then
0:47:54he kind of is just another another point
0:47:57of view that we have to include in our
0:47:58DNA fight scene we're cutting from
0:48:00character to character you in turn
0:48:01becomes the following ok he of the
0:48:03Avengers huh uh we're going to talk more
0:48:06about the vision minute but I'm gonna
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0:49:52destroy it so when I when I started
0:49:54actually true reading The Avengers in
0:49:56the eighties the cool the leaders of the
0:49:58team worth vision and the Scarlet Witch
0:49:59and so to me that was out that was a
0:50:02really fun thing that these are my
0:50:04adventures in a way that the the
0:50:05eighties Avengers were led by vision and
0:50:08I like paul bettany in this I thought it
0:50:09was fun but it's sort of like Jarvis is
0:50:11now got a guy with a body and and has
0:50:14thing and a cape healing is like look I
0:50:16wanted to be organized like wanted to be
0:50:18a line about the cape because I don't
0:50:19look at the more you or are either case
0:50:21i wanted to be like nice Cape I'd I
0:50:23souls always liked the scene where you
0:50:25can pick up the hammer i decided it was
0:50:26got a cape coral can pick up a hammer
0:50:28everybody can pick up their looks and
0:50:30it's funny because as he like he goes he
0:50:32flies out he looks at the city he looks
0:50:33at his reflection and you have that
0:50:35initial sort of oh I'm figuring myself
0:50:38out
0:50:38he looks authorities like oh well throws
0:50:40a protector he has a cape i guess i
0:50:42should have a cape now also mines dead
0:50:45my gym I feel like if you can if you can
0:50:47wield the power of an infinity stone you
0:50:49can probably pick up and you were
0:50:51indicate yeah well Anna Anna here like
0:50:53this before so I i agree it's like like
0:50:57with this Batman movies and like
0:50:59spider-man three or so many characters
0:51:00here and you're like you're adding
0:51:01another character but what I like about
0:51:02the vision thing oh well is is that a
0:51:07the vision we're set up that Ultron is
0:51:10going to have his elevation to godhood
0:51:13Ultron is going to now become
0:51:15all-powerful and he's going to get his
0:51:18new library me rhenium synthetic body
0:51:21whatever we gotta stop him and I like
0:51:24the fact that in the end what happens is
0:51:26yes there's the let's be mad scientist
0:51:28moment but in the end it gets turned
0:51:30against him and you end up creating an a
0:51:32synthetic life-form who is the new
0:51:33evolution of humanity and and robots
0:51:36that is better than Ultron but it's not
0:51:38Ultron I think that's kind of a fine
0:51:40little bit they have the same power
0:51:41balancing from they always happens in
0:51:42families who is more powerful all of our
0:51:45already you know the whole this guy's
0:51:47using completely made of vibranium and
0:51:48he should be able to take care about
0:51:49going now but Krishna final fight
0:51:51sequence that they just they just level
0:51:53everything and they're just like yeah
0:51:54you can rebalance everything everyone
0:51:56punch each other in the face a superhero
0:51:57like I mean it's scarlett johansson has
0:51:59essentially no powers are always
0:52:01punching people in the face with the
0:52:02same ferocity the guy whose entire body
0:52:04is made of fur brains gonna get any
0:52:05German his skull and it's like doesn't
0:52:07make any sense like you have to do that
0:52:08because they're all the action movie
0:52:09yeah it pulls away from that's why in
0:52:10the single character movies you can have
0:52:12these character power moments that are
0:52:13more profound because you're showing a
0:52:15single characters power arc and it's
0:52:17okay for them to be the most powerful us
0:52:18on movies you don't want to do it I was
0:52:21kind of uncomfortable time they're
0:52:22fighting until I don't like it when
0:52:23Captain America's during shielded people
0:52:25inside Tony Stark lab I don't like it
0:52:26when our man is fighting the Hulk
0:52:29because that's just--that's comic
0:52:30book-like it's like but wait a second
0:52:32who would win and sometimes it's like
0:52:33it's you know the answer but they can't
0:52:35have you win but why they like their
0:52:37they need to as the set in the movie
0:52:39several times need to use their words
0:52:40like when they disagree with each other
0:52:42you don't immediately fling your shield
0:52:43somebody fire bullets through the floor
0:52:45like seriously got their fighter
0:52:46especially not in the house make that
0:52:48happen outside
0:52:49I really did like I really did like the
0:52:51Hulkbuster thing we go against my better
0:52:53judgment is finally putting i really
0:52:55enjoyed on top of them and he's on top
0:52:56of the tree does exactly what you guys
0:52:58just slowing down
0:52:59yeah it was just me and you can't stop
0:53:00my heart what good is it you stop them
0:53:02first-time wait a minute gives you time
0:53:04to put the whole restaurant and you get
0:53:06the little hydraulic punchy thing that
0:53:08punches him alot which was really funny
0:53:10i probably won't go to sleep go to sleep
0:53:12Yeah Yeah come on can we have a word at
0:53:14least about some of the quickie writing
0:53:15because i know we made fun of all the
0:53:16clips but your screen with Mickey every
0:53:18seat joss whedon is really good at and
0:53:21that's what makes this movie fun i think
0:53:22the writing it's funny it's it's
0:53:25legitimately funny especially when as
0:53:27the strength of this movie this movie
0:53:28franchise always been the characters who
0:53:30are ridiculously super powerful
0:53:31characters are always under cutting
0:53:32themselves like yeah the scene with a
0:53:34hammer we're hanging out the beginning
0:53:35they're all trying to pick up the hammer
0:53:36like it's what do the Avengers do when
0:53:38they're not Avengers their Park I
0:53:40running you know buildings for people
0:53:41wouldn't rush about that but I i think
0:53:43that's the the thing the great thing
0:53:45about this movie is when we see those
0:53:46characters as people rather than
0:53:47superheroes and just arguing about a lot
0:53:49of a kind of stupid things that we argue
0:53:51about like you put the hammer in an
0:53:52elevator that count yeah i think i think
0:53:54it's i think it's really good
0:53:55character thing for Tony Stark to keep
0:53:57doing that because he's just it's and he
0:53:59will undercut himself and it's a really
0:54:01serious situation which people are
0:54:03terrified for their lives they're
0:54:05convinced there's a rampaging engine of
0:54:08destruction thats breathes was dropped
0:54:10from nowhere but it's okay for Tony
0:54:12Stark to be flipping inside the armor
0:54:13it's weirder when you have Captain
0:54:16America or Natasha or others
0:54:18it's like more of a dry sense of humor
0:54:20but trying to keep trying to fill a
0:54:22moment with here's here's a here's a
0:54:24line that just occurred to me here the
0:54:25riders from let's just not that scary
0:54:26moment I I could not disagree more i
0:54:28think the case they are playing not only
0:54:30is it funny and it makes it humanizes
0:54:32them and it gives you the sense that
0:54:33they are a team and they are if they are
0:54:35interacting and that they've been on
0:54:36adventures that we haven't seen and so
0:54:38when Captain America's language please
0:54:40and it becomes a running bit it's funny
0:54:42because he's from the old times and
0:54:44maybe he's like Uncle grandpa who's like
0:54:46these kids today and I i think it's
0:54:48earned and I think it's funny and I
0:54:49think the movie I and this is why I'm
0:54:52client like a movie like this and not
0:54:53like some of those DC movies that
0:54:55they've made because they are so serious
0:54:56and I want to punch them because they're
0:54:58staking little curious about your
0:55:00haircut but you're kind of hitting on
0:55:02what I've always thought was my
0:55:04difference between the red where react
0:55:06with DC movie in a Marvel movie I can't
0:55:08think of any time where I legitimately
0:55:09laughs during a DC movie I can't think
0:55:12of a time where I legitimately felt an
0:55:14emotional connection to anything
0:55:16happening in a Marvel movie and I don't
0:55:17know why I'm sorry see a lot of Mount
0:55:20Pleasant emotion I i yes I have seen 1 2
0:55:243 i've seen for Marvel movies
0:55:26ok maybe not all of them but I've seen
0:55:28what I've seen I feel very emotional and
0:55:30thor 2 because it was I was filled with
0:55:31rage I like a bad liar i also have to
0:55:34say kudos who they are you know what was
0:55:36paraded PG pg-13 or something so they
0:55:38get the fleeting after which is the
0:55:39first line and Maria sorry detective
0:55:42thumbs up on that one that I remember
0:55:43the tall that language that's happening
0:55:45during the I don't even think I don't
0:55:47think to throw away since I think it's
0:55:49important to Center us in this action
0:55:50but this is the one where there are very
0:55:51few consequences were going to be
0:55:52attacking this fortress with people who
0:55:55have converted with machine guns of God
0:55:56for all things early dreams your level
0:55:59yeah it's not like when that it's it's
0:56:01it would be it would be very very weird
0:56:03if while we know that there is a plane
0:56:06that's headed
0:56:06towards tower two of the World Trade
0:56:09Center to say well you know I like I'm
0:56:12sorry I'm that's the first flight I've
0:56:14always when I wish that we got hope you
0:56:15don't be late for it's like you're an
0:56:17idiot
0:56:18y-you their lives at stake why are you
0:56:19talking about a comic book movie though
0:56:21that's what I feel like it's like that
0:56:23that's that's what we use a little we
0:56:25used the phrase comic book movie and a
0:56:26derogatory i'm not using just the whole
0:56:30time saying that it's outside outside of
0:56:31this table when people say comic book
0:56:33movie they don't see also there's no
0:56:34depth there's no involvement this just a
0:56:36comic book movie i'm talking about
0:56:37something that's larger than life and
0:56:39delightful where it should be you know
0:56:41there should be snakes there should be
0:56:43consequences but at the same time like
0:56:45we want all of the Avengers to get out i
0:56:48should already want to have fun we want
0:56:50it we want to be entertained and feel
0:56:52the highs and the lows Star Wars is very
0:56:55quickly and it's why we love it because
0:56:57it's just as quickly as it is emotional
0:56:58and it if all the characters were super
0:57:01serious and let's only say the things
0:57:03that are you know boy like was never
0:57:05tell me the odds like yeah we're gonna
0:57:07say that i would say the star wars as
0:57:09much better made than avengers movie I
0:57:10won't disagree with that but I'm gonna
0:57:12save all the adjectives I would apply to
0:57:13the Man of Steel fun it's not anywhere
0:57:15near them again it wasn't it was but
0:57:17that but there are there were moments
0:57:19that I can i I don't I don't think that
0:57:20man of steel was a great movie out loud
0:57:22I thought was going from that one way to
0:57:24start again
0:57:24god I thought it was better than the
0:57:26first Avengers movie but the problem
0:57:28haha
0:57:30we hold these truths to be so i thought
0:57:32this place was already over but again I
0:57:34will I will I will reiterate my reaction
0:57:37is incontrovertible i was bored to hell
0:57:39so if there's through the first of many
0:57:41places dandy I was not bored as hell no
0:57:43justice statements according to steal
0:57:45Murray that's all I'm saying
0:57:47yeah I I think you've got to have that
0:57:48one of the things that humanizes these
0:57:49characters is that they have
0:57:51relationships and they do to do some
0:57:53clips and if they took it all that
0:57:54seriously it would be like listen boring
0:57:56and grim and terrible like man of steel
0:57:58which was a piece of junk and I let me
0:58:00let me look let me defend any four
0:58:02seconds I think I know what he's getting
0:58:03at with the Man of Steel thing I i also
0:58:05like minutes daily mostly because of how
0:58:07a character I Superman not so much like
0:58:10in the movie making the early parts of
0:58:12Man of Steel like it just had one
0:58:13character and i think was a man of steel
0:58:15was better moviemaking then the first
0:58:18happens man of steel was better very
0:58:20good better moviemaking like I don't
0:58:22just ignore the plot ignore the fact
0:58:23that Superman just like go for like you
0:58:25know how it how was it shot how is the
0:58:26dialogue is different kind of movie you
0:58:28know me like I was more stylized I i
0:58:32read today I thought it was more
0:58:33interesting visually I thought I like to
0:58:34pay something that you know that's never
0:58:36do some very interesting visual rails at
0:58:38the end but the equipping this thing
0:58:39with Joss Whedon right like you go to
0:58:41war with Joss Whedon your have this is
0:58:42what you got back what can just we
0:58:45didn't do well if that you get just
0:58:46waiting here we don't land equips like
0:58:48why the hell do you even get why you
0:58:49like her right and so I cancer community
0:58:51without dental in this mode walking in
0:58:53this movie I feel like it's not as good
0:58:55quips we're good my favorite joke the
0:58:57entire movie is the visual jet a gag
0:58:59when Captain America and Iron Man
0:59:00arguing and they're chopping wood
0:59:02encountering her just tears log in half
0:59:03because he's frustrated enemies captain
0:59:05america and like that's my favorite kind
0:59:07of Clips like you don't have to hit on
0:59:08the head but like I don't know how well
0:59:10integrate those clips are with the rest
0:59:11of the movie i get the feeling like you
0:59:13know like you're going from going for
0:59:14seeing action and clip and then seeing
0:59:16action then equip like but look at the
0:59:18good quips we're good like they were
0:59:19joss whedon right i can quickly qualify
0:59:23it wasn't I'm not objecting to the use
0:59:25of quips I'm saying that there so many
0:59:28times where I heard a quickie thing it
0:59:30didn't feel like a character having a
0:59:31genuine dialogue it felt like a
0:59:33screenwriter saying oh I joke just
0:59:35occurred to me i'm going to type in
0:59:36right here
0:59:36I i get that i don't i don't agree I
0:59:38felt I felt like these time we know
0:59:41these characters and anger
0:59:42Mandy I have to say I've seen all of
0:59:43these movies and I feel like I know
0:59:45these characters and these were coming
0:59:46from places the reason the quips were
0:59:49enjoyable to me is that I felt like they
0:59:51were from the places i know these people
0:59:53and that's exactly what they should say
0:59:57given their relationships and given
0:59:59their history and
0:59:59their history and
1:00:00I was pretty amazed because i was on the
1:00:01lookout for the quips that are there
1:00:03just to add some levity while I'm
1:00:06punching somebody's face off that don't
1:00:09fly and and I was impressed at the care
1:00:12that went into the quips where I felt
1:00:14like these characters actually the the
1:00:17quicker the right clips for the
1:00:18situation and so it so if they totally
1:00:21work and I was on the lookout for I was
1:00:23on quip watch in fact and i didn't i
1:00:25didn't see that much to that all these
1:00:27characters and really unique LOL
1:00:29characters and all joss whedon things
1:00:31that he's ever done
1:00:32use humor and quips and dark humor and
1:00:35sarcasm as their way of dealing with
1:00:37heated situations that are bit like that
1:00:40is his thing everything and he basically
1:00:42makes the same movie over and I think
1:00:44like his card if Bobby people with the
1:00:46right age to be that sarcastic and have
1:00:48those scripts but he doesn't matter what
1:00:49movie you give anybody given like you
1:00:51know old Indians in and like 700 he'll
1:00:55do the same damn thing that's what he
1:00:56knows how to do viagra like but the
1:00:58Avengers like with with these clips it
1:01:01in story it makes sense that they would
1:01:03be doing these things because that is
1:01:04the way they deal with with the
1:01:06difficulties of the situation they also
1:01:07have also chosen dealing with the other
1:01:09ways like a tab down-to-earth talks with
1:01:10each other about do I feel okay with
1:01:11this but in the heat of battle the way
1:01:14they sublimate their feelings or express
1:01:17themselves or whatever is with the star
1:01:18Cameron whether you think that it's the
1:01:20superhero character I don't know but
1:01:22it's how Australians characters act
1:01:25yeah it and I have to underscore that I
1:01:28think that their different perspectives
1:01:29when you have someone who is not someone
1:01:32who was seen this isn't there was not
1:01:34committed to the Marvel Cinematic
1:01:35Universe i see this as one movie that
1:01:37I'd like to go see in May as opposed to
1:01:40a continuation of this enjoyable
1:01:44investment that I've been making in
1:01:46these movies i've been really really
1:01:47liking this it's takes us back to the
1:01:49fundamental issue with this entire thing
1:01:51which is it's not quite a movie as much
1:01:52as is honest and installment of this and
1:01:55movie series goes wrong with that
1:01:56because the clear curly we the the news
1:01:58this number the number two opening
1:02:00weekend in movie history so it's not as
1:02:02though this he's that this movie is not
1:02:04finding an audience of people who really
1:02:05really enjoyed this movie you know that
1:02:07you know they buy the tickets before
1:02:09they see the movie i think it's not
1:02:10that's Jay
1:02:11but I see the Avengers movies as
1:02:13Capstone's rather than movies in them
1:02:15into themselves like if you look at
1:02:17Marvel sort of bills in their faces as
1:02:19like a good meal you've got like you've
1:02:22got the the various entrees that are the
1:02:24single person movies and the Avengers
1:02:27movies are the desert RV like
1:02:29wholehearted you know what we know these
1:02:32characters we know this environment we
1:02:34love this environment we have presumably
1:02:36bought into it because we have seen all
1:02:38the other movies this is kind of a
1:02:40two-and-a-half-hour way of being like
1:02:41hey wouldn't it be cool if all of our
1:02:43favorite superheroes that we've known
1:02:45and loved just kind of get together and
1:02:48hang out and Jason's touching his nose
1:02:51Mike was right anyway keep going yeah
1:02:52yeah rub it in
1:02:54no I I honestly I for me and avengers
1:02:58movie does not have to be pinnacles of
1:03:00greatness it has to be fun
1:03:02it has to have characters that I know
1:03:03and love and it has to be plausible and
1:03:06they're definitely like they're
1:03:07definitely plot holes in this and I'm
1:03:09not gonna stare too closely at them
1:03:10because honestly I'd like this
1:03:12this was my dessert this was my happy
1:03:14time and then we'll see what phase 3 has
1:03:16in store for sure it's desert and not
1:03:19like the feeling when you're in bed
1:03:20after oh I shouldn't be no no it's not
1:03:22even that much for the Jews out there
1:03:24it's like the offi combing your special
1:03:25with the taste linger in your mouth
1:03:27yeah and and also my ambition is that i
1:03:31would like to have superhero movies that
1:03:33are more ambitious that try to be more
1:03:34like a conventional movie but that's
1:03:36only one way to make that movie it's
1:03:38possible to have I was thinking about
1:03:40this on the way into the move into the
1:03:41theater that maybe one of the reasons
1:03:43why I'm not responding to some of these
1:03:45Marvel movies is that i am expecting it
1:03:47to be like a sit-down dinner when this
1:03:49is more like a buffet experience where
1:03:51there's going to be elements that your
1:03:53that are good elements that you like
1:03:55less you're not supposed to see it as a
1:03:58really engineered meal so much as a
1:04:01positive 2 and a half hour long
1:04:03experience that could be I mean I i do
1:04:05think that with something like guardians
1:04:07of the galaxy we see Marvel trying
1:04:09something that is a different kind of
1:04:10approach 22 again what commerce makes a
1:04:13you know blockbuster tentpole kind of
1:04:15movie that that's just how it is
1:04:17but within that do some things that are
1:04:19different this is this is I agree with
1:04:20surrounding part of it is this is the
1:04:22capstone this is quite frankly the the
1:04:24the issues of a comic where all of the
1:04:27characters get together and interact
1:04:28those are never the best stories either
1:04:30it's fun to watch them interact but the
1:04:32story is kind of beside the point and
1:04:34it's not and this is like that this is
1:04:36it's fun to see them interact in
1:04:37something and but it only really works i
1:04:40think if they've earned it with you
1:04:41having known these characters more like
1:04:43I feel like you really need to have seen
1:04:45winter soldier and internalized it and
1:04:47understood it and taking it into your
1:04:48soul for you to watch this movie because
1:04:50it really doesn't make a lot of sense
1:04:53without knowing where the characters are
1:04:55after winter soldier especially if this
1:04:58balance between like ensemble cast you
1:05:00want to have dramatic moments you want
1:05:02them to be quickly you want to have good
1:05:03action scenes that's actually fairly
1:05:04difficult formula too often trying to
1:05:07think of other movies that have done a
1:05:08well-made hot Empire Strikes Back is
1:05:10comes the obvious example but it's
1:05:11paired down there's action scenes this
1:05:13personal drama there's quips and they
1:05:15balance in the right and guardians of
1:05:17the galaxy is like let's go away towards
1:05:18the humor side and but even that is
1:05:20difficult balance because then we were
1:05:21talking about that movie it's like all
1:05:23the more seriously and so I can really
1:05:24take this bag is seriously in this one I
1:05:26could i get some so difficult like where
1:05:28do you find the line and that way it's
1:05:29almost like not that it's easier but
1:05:30like Batman Begins is more like a solid
1:05:32yeah you know serious like movie and
1:05:35like it has its humor value had to
1:05:37strike him or whatever but like it they
1:05:38figured out a balance that you look
1:05:40Batman Begins and it works all the way
1:05:41through its just I the reason think
1:05:42we're trying to do the balance where
1:05:44you're somewhere in the middle like I
1:05:45mean I guess maybe diehards example it's
1:05:47very small cast like can you balance
1:05:49drama investment in action scenes with
1:05:53clips
1:05:53it's very super hard and service 7
1:05:56characters and all that is hurting you
1:05:58know just keep studying in Parliament
1:06:00before we go I i do want to mention day
1:06:02do people have any thoughts about um
1:06:03Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch because
1:06:05they were they were in this movie too
1:06:07and we and you know we had to we had to
1:06:09find a way to introduce them and and
1:06:12have them do some stuff
1:06:13Carla which was like her character I
1:06:15feel like got got a little bit screwed
1:06:17like I mean they they tried to give her
1:06:19an art but very very frequently about
1:06:20the one that really bothered me the most
1:06:21sheet that has the conversation with the
1:06:23with Hawkeye and become you know she's
1:06:26gonna come out as she comes out she's
1:06:27made her decision she's going to be an
1:06:29Avenger she's going to be the Scarlet
1:06:30Witch she does her badass thing to slow
1:06:33motion then then Hawkeye looked over her
1:06:36and gives her that
1:06:37next scene they have the expressions for
1:06:39actresses face is like looking to
1:06:41hawkeye for approval and she's a little
1:06:42dopey little dog again maybe next time
1:06:44you'll see more than two times watching
1:06:46like she doesn't know
1:06:47did I do good in my right side while
1:06:49she's here she's scared out of her mind
1:06:51damaged from being experimented on and
1:06:54being that's totally appropriate though
1:06:56that's totally appropriate for so long
1:06:58if you drop me into a combat situation
1:07:00that I've never been in i will probably
1:07:02invite see that the entire world is
1:07:04going completely the hell i know that
1:07:05partly responsible for because I helped
1:07:07out the early stages of it I might need
1:07:09a bit of a pet pop pep talk to and I
1:07:11think that they trick with this with
1:07:12developing those characters also we got
1:07:13them as a unit right and it's like e to
1:07:15a certain extent you have to split time
1:07:17and no one they're not gonna you can't
1:07:19just be like oh they have the exact same
1:07:20story they're probably rescue their
1:07:21parents were killed like yes we do have
1:07:23some story and they each sort of like
1:07:24China and on it but it's really hard to
1:07:26get full extent of both of them and so I
1:07:27think I think Scarlet Witch actually
1:07:29gets a better treatment than Quicksilver
1:07:30who is like yeah I get to make it is
1:07:32about a gruff and speaking Russian
1:07:33accent tonight pretty much it my
1:07:36complaint about scholar which wasn't
1:07:37that she was scared the buildings after
1:07:39that after she comes out she supposed to
1:07:40have made her decision and like because
1:07:43self-actualize and become the power to
1:07:44decide what she's gonna do but
1:07:45immediately after that she's back like I
1:07:47I don't like real to me them that felt
1:07:49very much like so did I do good boss
1:07:51well no i honestly didn't look like she
1:07:54was can I you know am i doing well it
1:07:56what if to me that like I noticed that
1:07:58expression and it very very much
1:08:00registered my brain but it looked as
1:08:02like I'm going to do this and I'm going
1:08:04to be an Avenger but that doesn't mean
1:08:06that I'm not terrified out of my mind
1:08:08because I still have major PTSD from 110
1:08:11a shell fell down next to me and almost
1:08:13you know yeah I don't know screaming
1:08:14with your story but I maybe I'm going on
1:08:16Lex may not in like the idea being happy
1:08:18is the idea
1:08:19the idea that i like but these people
1:08:22have this kind of power especially like
1:08:23the telekinesis in mind control that
1:08:25it's like they don't know how far it
1:08:27goes and it usually goes really really
1:08:29really far in a scary way and the people
1:08:31with this power and inevitably seems
1:08:33like they become consumed by it because
1:08:35it's kind of that type of power that's
1:08:36gonna make you destroy the entire world
1:08:37and kill everybody
1:08:38well that's kind of what happens to
1:08:39scarlet witch's and I see her traveling
1:08:43along an argument is movie she's like I
1:08:45expected her to travel farther along in
1:08:46our basement expected her to sort of
1:08:48coming to her powers and realize that
1:08:50like you know that she's much more
1:08:51powerful than she thinks when she when
1:08:53she puts her mind to it right in the
1:08:54correct way and that is slowly the power
1:08:56sunroof income that's a dozen to learn
1:08:58about that later later but again I I
1:09:00there was also a long stable period when
1:09:02you know vision and the Scarlet Witch
1:09:03led the Avengers and it was awesome and
1:09:05paris peace in our time and there was
1:09:07peace in our time and yeah wasn't that
1:09:09the period which the vision went nuts
1:09:11and formed the west coast avengers a
1:09:12diversionary tactic then took over every
1:09:15single container labeled to try to unite
1:09:16was later it was much less employees
1:09:18have to be about to be licensed you have
1:09:19any nuts to start a west coast version
1:09:21gonna ask for the great anything that
1:09:23puts tiger and a monthly series i'm
1:09:25a-free I prove oh yeah and I worth a
1:09:27five cents run and then this house event
1:09:29well it's also like x-men and that they
1:09:30were also mutants but you can't call the
1:09:32mutants in this movie because that's a
1:09:33totally diff locks his lawyers would
1:09:35like it went to Jason produce oh yeah
1:09:37there they have been their stats were
1:09:40upgraded from 4th edition 2 5th edition
1:09:41it's a very good one is like that's the
1:09:43that's a different arc then the then the
1:09:46other Marvel heroes I feel like that's
1:09:48more of an x-men arcade or not like
1:09:49x-men has all the x-men are very similar
1:09:52and I think that is a good solid team in
1:09:53it and but this movies like whores
1:09:55archives very little overlap with
1:09:56Captain America's are ya
1:09:58for Asgard or were curious hear stories
1:10:00here to be thor and be funny and make
1:10:02quips or going to Thor have the hammer
1:10:04and setup future movies and i would say
1:10:07he does have an arc his arc is not about
1:10:09this movie so much but he doesn't have
1:10:11something to doing through they can is
1:10:13your theories like on his way to like a
1:10:15season finale free agents of shield yes
1:10:17tops off in the barn ya just gotta go
1:10:19you know but again we gotta it's tough
1:10:21to have to give those again it comes
1:10:23back it's tough to get all those
1:10:24chemicals we do a brief appreciative for
1:10:26a lot of the I thought the cameos you
1:10:28know i did enjoy a lot of the smaller
1:10:29one enjoyed on Cheadle
1:10:31and when she was really good are you
1:10:33Anthony Mackie is fuckin who I realize
1:10:34either both now Avengers or Natalie
1:10:36apartment oh wait she could afford her
1:10:38but she's better Skarsgard comes back I
1:10:41mean like we pretty much dragon-like
1:10:43secondary characters from all the
1:10:44previous independent movies murray hill
1:10:46yeah there's a little bit of enjoyed
1:10:48understand they have created a rich
1:10:49universe I just feel like it and i told
1:10:51you i want to see TV show 26 episodes
1:10:54where there is wonders with all these
1:10:57actors about it can afford action
1:10:59set-pieces like I wonder if that's gonna
1:11:00concepts at some point you have to
1:11:01wonder if it would be better it would be
1:11:03better off to spend money for these
1:11:05actors to do an eight-episode netflix
1:11:08really don't know that's why tries to be
1:11:09able to look at daredevil and saying
1:11:11okay if you're gonna make a 13-hour
1:11:12movies just same effects like that's the
1:11:14thing ya know you're only going to be
1:11:15doing a movie why can't you have all
1:11:17these people in television show just
1:11:18like you know eventually you're going to
1:11:20say we can't make any more Avengers
1:11:21movies they're ridiculous but if as long
1:11:24as people are still breaking box-office
1:11:25records to go see them they're not going
1:11:27to put them on netflix anytime soon yeah
1:11:29i mean i think more likely we might get
1:11:31at you
1:11:32we might sooner get a return to flash
1:11:33Gordon's cereals then we would then
1:11:35would actual but that then actually
1:11:38intrigues me if you use a lot of a lot
1:11:40of movies get made because not because
1:11:42they offered an actor a lot of money but
1:11:44but somebody said this will only take
1:11:45two and a half weeks of your time and
1:11:47you're not doing anything and we can
1:11:49give you five or six million dollars for
1:11:50one month so one month of your time and
1:11:53if we did this if you did this and
1:11:55netflix budget where you do not have the
1:11:57option of having 90 minutes of just
1:11:59action action action where could to save
1:12:01money in a way you have to have people
1:12:03sitting down and talking and sort of
1:12:05hashing out a plot that might be
1:12:07something that would intrigue me more
1:12:08than Avengers 3
1:12:09I think the downside is that a lot of
1:12:10the stuff that we see on TV these days
1:12:12also been like years towards the greedy
1:12:15so it's like oh yeah HBO does it doesn't
1:12:17understand how guys want to see the HP
1:12:18understand she's not ready right well
1:12:20that's about it that's the closest that
1:12:21we've got I think you look at something
1:12:22like daredevil right and it's like
1:12:24character voice is pretty dark it's
1:12:25funny at points but it's pretty daughter
1:12:27couldn't afford a lot of Lights right
1:12:28well yeah you know it's New York Hell's
1:12:30Kitchen this is not very nice but i
1:12:32think i think you're right i would love
1:12:33to see an adventure series like this
1:12:35that you could sort of spin out into an
1:12:36entire long series and I think that that
1:12:39for better or worse this genre has been
1:12:41relegated to the blockbuster we rather
1:12:43than being something we do on the team
1:12:44he perhaps with the exception of the
1:12:46flash which i think is trying to do
1:12:47something very someone else we did a
1:12:49very good job telling superhero stories
1:12:51in a TV format it was called buffy the
1:12:52vampire slayer yeah yeah well that was
1:12:54how many years ago now what
1:12:57when one of the six identical la
1:12:59identical in sequence trailers we saw
1:13:02before this what was the ant-man movie
1:13:03and I'm kind it would really pleased me
1:13:07a lot if it really did turn out to be
1:13:09action-oriented and some drama but
1:13:11mostly ok for god sakes he's called
1:13:13ant-man and he's about this tall
1:13:15let's let's let's let's assume we're not
1:13:17talking about saving the entire world
1:13:18but solving a problem an ex-con has to
1:13:20have the proportional strength of human
1:13:23and size body here we are about out of
1:13:26time so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask anybody
1:13:28if they've got last thoughts before we
1:13:30sign off serenity of last pot I'm really
1:13:32excited to see Scarlet Witch going
1:13:34forward because I thought that you know
1:13:37quibbles aside her powers are very
1:13:39interesting we haven't seen a lot of
1:13:41inhuman you know advanced type powers in
1:13:44this universe as of yet we've seen you
1:13:46know God's we've seen people who have
1:13:47experimental strength or you know been
1:13:51experimenting on but we we really
1:13:52haven't seen people who were born with
1:13:54crazy powers
1:13:55yeah i think it's unclear though if she
1:13:57is actually just experimenting on like
1:13:59like Captain America depending depending
1:14:01on how I mean and also I think we have
1:14:03to see the rest of this season of shield
1:14:06but what shield seems to be hinting at
1:14:08is that Hydra was basically collecting
1:14:11in humans
1:14:12yeah be there and they are calling
1:14:14humans yet surprise but like collecting
1:14:16enhanced people and experimenting on
1:14:18them and that the twins were the only
1:14:19people who survived set experiments
1:14:21which isn't mentioned the movie yes
1:14:23exactly so I'm I'm really interested to
1:14:25see the new the next generation of
1:14:27Avengers I'm really interested to see
1:14:29what phase 3 has in store
1:14:31I really like the fact that the vit like
1:14:33as much as I'm kind of bummed that the
1:14:35vision kind of had really short shrift
1:14:37because there's no real time to explain
1:14:39it i like that he is a bridge between
1:14:41the normal and the super hyper
1:14:43fantastical and I think he's a better
1:14:45bridge in a wave and Thoris because he
1:14:48connects to the Galactic a lot better
1:14:50with the mind stone or the mind effort
1:14:52are we calling a gem some gems
1:14:53yeah with the mind gem
1:14:55in a way that like Thorin no Asgard is
1:14:58alien and sort of connected but still
1:15:00feels very silly whereas vision feel
1:15:03silly but also you know we've got a
1:15:04we've got a route because hey he was
1:15:06Jarvis once we love Jarvis but also he's
1:15:09carrying around crazy alien technology
1:15:11so maybe division will show up in
1:15:13guardians of the galaxy two who knows
1:15:15but i but I feel like it i don't know
1:15:17it's an it's i really like where things
1:15:20are going Marvel has yet to really let
1:15:22me down with the movie i look forward to
1:15:25seeing the next round
1:15:26don't four defendants doing anything i
1:15:29feel like i'm anna says he isn't being
1:15:31that lives only in credit side after I
1:15:33just feel like he has been lurking
1:15:34around the corner for like this was a
1:15:35large percentage of my life
1:15:37yes waiting in this one we saw but I
1:15:40grew up next and credit another club and
1:15:41I great boot socks socks first and it's
1:15:44a very slow race dirty messy again
1:15:46knowing nothing about the comics you
1:15:48look so dorky to me he looks like he
1:15:50looks like a cartoon villain drawn like
1:15:52a scooby-doo I said the car is literally
1:15:55a courtyard village on our tuna sammie
1:15:58really i gave him the big chin and like
1:16:01it I don't know he does not interest me
1:16:02as the villain at all
1:16:03thus far I guess I was he has incredible
1:16:05isn't anything but he don't know he was
1:16:0827 he was obviously that decision is
1:16:09coming to our galleries yeah
1:16:11elder people mention he needs to start
1:16:13doing stuff unless delegating slashed
1:16:15talking to yes i agree i agree i again i
1:16:19like this movie a lot more than I like
1:16:20the first one and I i hope this is a
1:16:23continued upward trend although it's
1:16:25kind of interesting to think of I don't
1:16:27know whose contracts are expiring soon
1:16:29as I know they lock them into very
1:16:30long-term ya drunks but they seem to
1:16:32have renegotiated many of them we
1:16:34thought we were not seeing him anymore
1:16:35baby i i wonder what happens when if
1:16:38it's a good thing they don't have a turn
1:16:40rate are their actors or if it's a bad
1:16:42thing
1:16:42the end of this movie suggest ok we have
1:16:44new avengers now and that Tony Stark may
1:16:46not be around so much and all that I
1:16:47think that's good i think that's a good
1:16:49thing go
1:16:49well Tony Stark has been done I mean
1:16:51iron man 3 shows a pretty clear are two
1:16:53that I think it's great that he's here
1:16:54and I think he's not going anywhere we
1:16:56didn't kill him off where there's no
1:16:58finality today in the next Captain
1:16:59America right and so I think what we'll
1:17:01end up seeing is like we'll have a new
1:17:03avengers team probably in
1:17:05infinity War part 1 and you'll have a
1:17:06lot of like other people that we haven't
1:17:08necessarily seen yet perhaps now and
1:17:09then you won't be like all man
1:17:11Stannis got bad news we better bring all
1:17:13those other guys and we might have a
1:17:15situation whereby ventures forth like oh
1:17:17they Ted McGinley is now playing like
1:17:19another superhero ok it's done but I i
1:17:23agree that i really liked seeing the new
1:17:24sort of Avengers come in i really i
1:17:27thought that i really enjoyed this movie
1:17:29for the most part I you know there are
1:17:30parts that I think felt a little like a
1:17:32little more the future ops and downs
1:17:34more level to it and that didn't always
1:17:36like get me like oh yeah this is great i
1:17:38wasn't always like this most engaged
1:17:40some of the fight scenes but i love the
1:17:41character interactions and that is what
1:17:43I come for end it yeah for me that
1:17:45totally delivered in that way and as
1:17:47long as they can continue to sort of
1:17:48produce great movies where these
1:17:50characters are interesting and interact
1:17:51with each other and are fun and that is
1:17:53the key word for me always come back to
1:17:55its fun I've seen a lot of superhero
1:17:56movies that are not fun
1:17:58I don't need to see any more of those so
1:17:59thumbs up looking forward to future
1:18:02Marvel endeavors
1:18:03I fear for any future movies of this
1:18:06type not made with talent that involved
1:18:09this like soon as they take away joss
1:18:10whedon I don't know what his deal is in
1:18:11his contract but was already gone Yeah
1:18:12Yeah right into your heel though ended
1:18:15like May first can put like this is a
1:18:18high degree of difficulty and it's going
1:18:21to be very difficult for the next guy to
1:18:23match that's why they got to people
1:18:25through the Russo brothers who did with
1:18:27a soldier which was a very i will have
1:18:28to think maybe the last Marvel movie by
1:18:30lower degree of difficulty definitely
1:18:32like I think I I wonder I I already said
1:18:34I enjoy the single character movies
1:18:36better than than the multi ones and a
1:18:38multi one not involving joss whedon not
1:18:40involving all these great actors who I
1:18:41love not like just it could just be
1:18:43dreadful so I really am feeling the next
1:18:45one but this one you should go see this
1:18:46were saying i will point out that the
1:18:48Russos are not you know they're not
1:18:50exactly not for on one will not infamous
1:18:53I don't know what I'm looking for but
1:18:55they directed a bunch of arrested
1:18:57development episodes and they they've
1:18:58been around in terms of anything on your
1:19:01community or human challenges
1:19:02yeah that they're um I i think there is
1:19:05a distinct possibility that in the
1:19:07future we will look back at the two
1:19:08first two Avengers movies and say turns
1:19:11out joss whedon about as good as anybody
1:19:14could expect right great and here is so
1:19:16much higher leap on so much the quips
1:19:17but just because he did
1:19:18user experience to like figure out how
1:19:20you get these just basically putting
1:19:22down the plot because this is pretty
1:19:23tight in terms there was like single
1:19:25lines that were payoff for certain plot
1:19:27points and making clear like he did as
1:19:29well as you can do it like it just just
1:19:30putting the puzzle pieces together just
1:19:31storyboarding addressing what is going
1:19:33to happen and what is going to lead to
1:19:34what you want to what even that is
1:19:36really hard to do and I think joss
1:19:38whedon by this point I think they're
1:19:39like a script doctor and you know done
1:19:41television and done movies like you need
1:19:43that kind of resume to be able to just
1:19:45pull this off a mediocre this is three
1:19:47years like two or three years work for
1:19:48Josh we could you know he could have
1:19:50written 20 episodes of buffy over the
1:19:53course of three seasons of that chair
1:19:54right and all of that got distilled into
1:19:56the work on this on this and this film
1:19:58and and you know i probably would rather
1:20:00have so I'm doing a show for a couple
1:20:01years instead but you know what kind of
1:20:04guy you Justice League is all i'm going
1:20:06to say clearly influenced that was not
1:20:08if we will see we shall see it will be
1:20:09very interesting
1:20:10ok we are going to wrap it up it has
1:20:12been a pleasure to have everybody here
1:20:13in person to talk and of course we all
1:20:15saw it together we didn't record during
1:20:17theater presentation because you
1:20:19couldn't hear us over the explosions i
1:20:21would like to thank all of my guests for
1:20:23being here today around the table Tony
1:20:24sindelar thank you comfortable
1:20:26disassembled Dan Morgan thank you for
1:20:29being here and letting us use your home
1:20:31no disassemble John siracusa thank you
1:20:35in the next movie deceive fill in the
1:20:36little gem holes on his knuckles or what
1:20:38yeah I think that's it's a game it's
1:20:39like a like a mastermind it's like Legos
1:20:42her mastermind along it slow motion I
1:20:44was raising up of one hand and history
1:20:46of cinema
1:20:46uh-huh yep india naka thank you i spent
1:20:50my enjoyed the mismatch pile of Miss
1:20:52colored legos isn't any other that forms
1:20:54Avengers 2 I I didn't I guess I don't
1:20:57revive I seem to be drifting towards I
1:21:00didn't not like it but I some I semi
1:21:04enjoyed that and i will say that part of
1:21:07it was because I changed my expectations
1:21:09of this movie like a b-plus that we say
1:21:11people get a strong recommendation from
1:21:13andy and i know you heard it here answer
1:21:15and it'll have a slight angle good yeah
1:21:18you know I could just shoot Andy and no
1:21:22one would know just fell on him
1:21:25yeah but if it's an Avenger sort of
1:21:27killing then we wouldn't find out what
1:21:28happened or what happened to come to be
1:21:30continued in anyway thank you to
1:21:31everybody out there for listening I've
1:21:32been your host Jason cell thanks to
1:21:34everybody for coming tonight once again
1:21:37and we will see you next week with an
1:21:39episode that was recorded in our
1:21:41individual homes where we can be alone
1:21:43with ourselves
1:21:44goodnight