The Talk Show

151: ‘Option P’, With Special Guest Serenity Caldwell

 

  you sound wonderful given the microphone now I gotta know I actually you know I [TS]

  probably have the blackjack since the last time we talked I got a two-by-two [TS]

  yeah exactly i have it's nice i like it and i've only had occasional occurrences [TS]

  where it turns me into a Dalek but otherwise it's fine [TS]

  my thing is that i took i got the thing set up where is by apparently sound ok [TS]

  and then I took a picture of all these crazy dials if I ever lose that picture [TS]

  of screwed [TS]

  just like I need to commit this to memory make Jonas memorize it they have [TS]

  no idea what any of this stuff means it's so interesting confusing to me [TS]

  especially that all the extra buttons the in-and-out it's like oh yeah there's [TS]

  there too many especially if you only have one mic setup and you're not using [TS]

  the input monitor and it's just going into your computer there's there's a lot [TS]

  more than you actually need their yeah i think that as I get older I'm really [TS]

  rocketing towards demanding next extreme simplicity and everything to use but [TS]

  it's like the bike i do enough podcast where it's really is worth it for me to [TS]

  sound as good as I possibly can and so i gave up on my beloved just plug it into [TS]

  a USB microphone [TS]

  yeah which I loved in theory but everybody agrees there since I switched [TS]

  to this I sound better so yeah the the mixers mixers make everything sangre [TS]

  although i did find a lightning USB mic that's not terrible that i've been using [TS]

  recently on the road so that's my that's my good backup for now [TS]

  so what do you write alright let's this is considered as part of the show so [TS]

  like lightning [TS]

  what would what does that mean you mean like podcasting from like an iPad um [TS]

  yeah I broadcasting from an ipad is still a pain in the ass but being able [TS]

  to record your audio on the go is really helpful [TS]

  previous to that I had like a little tiny laughs Mike that you plug into the [TS]

  headphones of your iPhone Jack and it was you know it was better than talking [TS]

  on your iPhone but not by much [TS]

  and I accidentally drowned my macbook air so my ipad is the only portable [TS]

  computer i have right now which is kind of terrifying anyway which one did you [TS]

  drown [TS]

  i drowned my medicare no my poor 11-inch macbook air was sitting next to my [TS]

  macbook pro are at my [TS]

  my my ipad bro and yeah bad things happened I guess I do have a 15-inch [TS]

  macbook pro that's like six years old at this point but i haven't booted on in [TS]

  like two years [TS]

  oh man so what you gonna do this is like a bad time to replace the macbook yeah [TS]

  exactly so I'm like well I've got the ipad pro and i was making all this hey [TS]

  about yeah I do most of my work on it which is true i do do a lot of like my [TS]

  portable work on the ipad now but i was still like oh god now i have no safety [TS]

  net [TS]

  more on that later yes but looks like we'll talk about that later but yet but [TS]

  I but I'm but podcasting like so I tried the usher for a while and that that [TS]

  thing is a beautiful mike that is absolutely horrible because it requires [TS]

  a very it requires a specific app and it just it will work if you just plug it [TS]

  into the ipad you have to open like the sharrap or GarageBand and anything else [TS]

  just like nope I don't recognize you as a microphone sorry you don't get to work [TS]

  which is infuriating so I got what's it called [TS]

  now I have to find it i picked up the the apogee not the not the apogee one [TS]

  the one of its one of the little ones that's like 200 bucks from the apple [TS]

  store on a whim and i love it it's so good it works for everything so I I this [TS]

  is like one of those things where I don't know maybe I'm just an idiot but [TS]

  it's whenever I read about people trying to podcast from an ipad I I get very [TS]

  confused and so I get in some ways it i guess simpler than podcasting from a mac [TS]

  and that you know all the multitasking involved in the different apps and [TS]

  everything i have installed to do this in some ways is more complicated but [TS]

  because the mac can do so many things at the same time and you don't have to [TS]

  worry about which app is frontmost or whatever and you can run things you know [TS]

  dirty little hacks like call recorder for skype to me it just makes sense it's [TS]

  like just totally makes sense and when I in and supposedly I i still didn't go [TS]

  back and watch the video but i heard that in the event last month when when [TS]

  Phil shoulder said now you can podcast you know this is great for podcasters [TS]

  that they they cut to me in the audience [TS]

  oh yeah they can be cut to the whole section of just right [TS]

  everybody being like what yeah right yeah I don't know if that app that if [TS]

  the accessory really makes it easier for podcasters if you have it makes it [TS]

  easier to run your powered microphones sure but it doesn't actually fix the [TS]

  core podcasting problem on iOS which was what you were just talking about the [TS]

  fact that like there is really no support for core audio and for [TS]

  background app like multi multi threading audio throughout apps so like [TS]

  if you're going to record you're gonna do a podcast on an iPad you're doing it [TS]

  locally it's not a huge deal with especially with that power adapter [TS]

  because then you can basically just plug your mixer into the power adapter if [TS]

  it's a USB mixer and then you've got you've got mics up but if you're trying [TS]

  to do a remote show like if we were trying to do this show right now on the [TS]

  ipad right what I would have to do is I'd have to have my iPad open with [TS]

  either with skype or with voice memos or whatever recording thing and then my [TS]

  iphone whatever device I wasn't using to run skype ID have to plug my apogee Mike [TS]

  into and run voice memos from there so it's basically like you have to use two [TS]

  devices and of course your natural skype call is going to shout sound like shit [TS]

  because you're not actually recording through the good or you're not actually [TS]

  talking through the good mic right you got on a Mac you need two apps so like [TS]

  for example we use I use almost all the ninety percent of the time i use skype [TS]

  for the connection and then and then I use a app called call recorder which [TS]

  sort of runs at extension within skype but you could use just about anything is [TS]

  on any app that we can record audio you can I mean lots of people just use [TS]

  quicktime you can just open a quicktime player app and say new audio recording [TS]

  pick the same microphone is the input and so like what you hear you know like [TS]

  I I it's a little inside baseball but for anybody out there like to me you [TS]

  sounds good to me right now as I'm talking to you as you would if I were [TS]

  just listening to the show after it's being done editing because I hear you [TS]

  through the same microphone that you're recording whereas so it's two apps 12 [TS]

  record one to do the connection and [TS]

  but if you do haha XD have to use to device [TS]

  yeah which is just ridiculously my feelings [TS]

  Amy it's doable like I didn't last last fall when I was on vacation when the [TS]

  ipad pro first came out I did a podcast with with my curly and Jason Snelling I [TS]

  was a guest on upgrade and so I did that way because I literally i only had my [TS]

  ipad my iphone and ipad Mike so there was no other way like I couldn't just be [TS]

  like I want i'm gonna try and use a computer because there was no computer [TS]

  available to me so it's doable if you're in that pinch but it's definitely not [TS]

  what I would call a first-rate solution it's a podcasting is not what you go to [TS]

  ios4 right so what is your Apple to your apple TV remote lost you're not lost him [TS]

  it is not lost at the moment thank goodness it is it is sitting on my desk [TS]

  right now next in in its to do need stand you [TS]

  I think was it just today that this came out yes oh yeah yeah it's not the [TS]

  headline is this is serenity article that I more it says wish list someday I [TS]

  would like to stop losing my Syria remote yes I this came about because i [TS]

  saw Susie oak suite of macworld story why I can't remember who wrote it i [TS]

  think it was Jerry define who wrote a story basically being like I've stuck a [TS]

  tile to the back of my cereal remote and now i can find it and simultaneously I'm [TS]

  like that's really smart and oh god is this what we've really come to like is [TS]

  is the only way that I'm going to be able to find my serial remote to be able [TS]

  to stick at a device that's pretty much half the size of the sea remote to the [TS]

  back of the Syrian remote and do it every year because the tiles only lasts [TS]

  for months [TS]

  yeah the tiles being the was it is a kickstarter project yeah yeah they're [TS]

  little bluetooth trackers that connects to your iphone so that and then because [TS]

  they're the bushes and then they have a tiny speaker embedded so it works [TS]

  similarly to let to the find iphone button on the [TS]

  the apple watch where you just you press the button and then your your wallet or [TS]

  your keys or whatever ring i have tiles for my wallet my keys and they're very [TS]

  useful but i don't i wouldn't put it on the the the woman was so thin it just [TS]

  looks it looks like i'm just stuck a battery pack on my remote for what for [TS]

  for the purposes of the teensiest little speaker in the world i love it's one of [TS]

  my favorite apple watch features is the ability to pin your iphone I don't lose [TS]

  my iphone very often or I don't misplace it or forget where it goes but when you [TS]

  do it'll drive you crazy and beyond my gosh yeah and being able to ping it from [TS]

  the watch is so much better it's so much more convenient than logging in to find [TS]

  my iphone to play the sounds so much more convenient [TS]

  yeah it's a great feature and it just sort of makes sense in the look it's all [TS]

  in the same house or same you know if you assume it's all in the same house [TS]

  and everything is already hooked up to the same network or whatever one of [TS]

  these things should be able to find the other and they can both make noise and [TS]

  they both are you know loosely connected at all times so it makes sense that [TS]

  you'd be able to do that so I feel like there's got to be a solution like this [TS]

  for the remote you should be able to like say like hey apple TV where's the [TS]

  goddamn remote and then it will be the remote [TS]

  seriously I mean I so I kind of I said this in my article but I kind of [TS]

  understand why it wasn't a feature at launch because they I mean they were [TS]

  rushing to get this thing out the door and the the remote app for the iphone [TS]

  wasn't even ready so there was you know if the remote app for the iphone wasn't [TS]

  gonna be ready there was physically no button for them to be able to press to [TS]

  be like find iphone and because the because the series speaker the Syria [TS]

  microphone is built into the remote not into the apple TV you can't just like [TS]

  shout to the heavens like you might to an Amazon echo being like where's my [TS]

  remote all that would be a cool feature apple just saying but what I'm kind of [TS]

  hoping for is like the Syrian remote just connects to the apple TV via [TS]

  bluetooth and theoretically Apple could design a next-generation remote without [TS]

  having to make us buy an entirely new Apple TV like they could just sign it [TS]

  and say this works with this Apple TV and then just insert tiny little speaker [TS]

  that already works via bluetooth so it already has the connection inherent you [TS]

  know to to send a ping to the remote to say yo [TS]

  make a sound wherever you are I just don't I don't think there's a speaker in [TS]

  the remote right now there's only am i don't think so either [TS]

  is that it's never used for anything so it if there is it so hidden that I fix [TS]

  it couldn't even find it but I'd and again I always file this under look I [TS]

  know it's a lot easier for us on the outside to tell apple just put another [TS]

  two-dollar component into this device in that device and it's very easy to say [TS]

  you know did too quickly dissipate apple's press charges but i really do [TS]

  think that for the price that apple charges for apples for the apple TV and [TS]

  for the what the extra aren't the extra modes like 60 bucks together and what [TS]

  this remote I think it's $79 yes oh look it's the $79 remote you can put I'm [TS]

  sorry Tim could put it you can put a speaker in there that doesn't have to be [TS]

  high fidelity just last week it just needs to be loud enough to be heard [TS]

  through sofa cushions [TS]

  oh yeah all i need is a is a nice high-pitched like submarine like beep [TS]

  like it doesn't even have to be pleasant to the ears [TS]

  I just need to be able to find it right and yeah and they could sell that's the [TS]

  thing is like Apple tomorrow could come out with apple TV remote now a speaker [TS]

  and theoretically you could just buy it and pair it to your apple TV like that's [TS]

  what I want them to do [TS]

  I'm like yes don't don't worry about releasing it with your next generation [TS]

  apple tv2 take time to like a grade that hardware but just to put a speaker and [TS]

  somehow an asymmetric button arrangement so that you can if you can figure out [TS]

  which way is up [TS]

  you know i do you have the remote strap because that's what I eventually and I [TS]

  don't like the strap because it's always flapping around what i did i had to [TS]

  compete the gaffer's tape and wrapped around the bottom OC with the texture [TS]

  yeah and it goes on the side the texture because it's a piece of tape that wraps [TS]

  around all the way around so I can feel it from the sides and it's a lot easier [TS]

  yeah and it doesn't completely degrade the look of it because black Africa [TS]

  chapel right ones and yeah I like that that's smart [TS]

  um yeah but I still feel like it ridiculous that i've i've got to [TS]

  jury-rig design solution to an eighty dollar remote control [TS]

  well yeah exactly the worst part is i'm picking i just picked up my remote and [TS]

  my remotes upside down right now this is the remote that doesn't have the strap [TS]

  on it and with the like all of the icons are so minimalist that even holding it [TS]

  upside down the only way that you know that you're holding it upside down is [TS]

  that menu the only the only word on the other things upside-down and even when [TS]

  you're first looking at it the you and menu kind of looks like an end and then [TS]

  the end is still right side up so you read like two letters in before your [TS]

  like before your brain registers oh this isn't word maybe I should flip this [TS]

  around [TS]

  I don't know it's painful i find that the the longer we go with this remote [TS]

  the more I the more worrisome i consider it as an exhibit in the case against the [TS]

  slight decline of overall design quality coming out of Apple these days you know [TS]

  it's a long title for the lost but i do feel that it's a pretty good example [TS]

  because it's great technology and I love music idea and i really love uh I it is [TS]

  time goes on I really really like the the interface that as you use the [TS]

  trackpad and that the way that the pic at the name of it and stunts uikit but [TS]

  whatever they call it that yeah they're on the appletv right but the ways things [TS]

  pop up as theirs to indicate what selected I find it so intuitive really [TS]

  like it I like it so much as time goes on that the talk to it thing I know [TS]

  other devices you know have this now too but like mice Jones is going through a [TS]

  friend's bender he's obsessed he's 12 years old obsessed with the show friends [TS]

  on netflix and it's so awesome because he's got it time now he knows exactly [TS]

  when the theme song kicks in [TS]

  exactly how many seconds to jump and so you can send 45-6 skip ahead 30 it's 35 [TS]

  seconds he's got like a and there's like a certain point in the song like to make [TS]

  a line or two in where he does it and it in it finishes exactly with like that [TS]

  the final strum of the theme song my drive and he's always like he likes to [TS]

  nail it so that he doesn't miss a single thing the great feature 35 seconds [TS]

  so in other words at 30 seconds get wouldn't be quite right you get five [TS]

  extra seconds of the song [TS]

  you wouldn't want but i still think that the there's so many little details of it [TS]

  that the getting those details right are the hell is the whole reason Apple is [TS]

  apple and then yeah that they didn't with this is to me a little alarming [TS]

  it's such a small thing to complain about the Serie remote that comes with [TS]

  apple TV but it's exactly the sort of little thing that to me that that there [TS]

  should be famous for getting right yeah well it's the small stuff and I mean [TS]

  there's been plenty of talk about how despite the fact that this you know box [TS]

  has been in development for four years how rush this version was on the door [TS]

  and I can't help but feel that the remote was a partial casualty of that [TS]

  because i see like i see where they wanted it to go and I see how it's a [TS]

  natural evolution of the apple TV room [TS]

  the remote from the third generation Apple TV but also looking at like [TS]

  looking at the apple TV and looking what it what how we work with it and how it [TS]

  also puts us also supposed to be a game controller i I'm just like Apple you [TS]

  didn't need to make it be a stick like it it doesn't have to look like the 3rd [TS]

  generation Apple TV [TS]

  it would have been okay if it was leave like a little bit fatter or a little bit [TS]

  wider or even a different shape right because it's just you know what I'd I [TS]

  don't need a remote that looks like a nano I need a remote that works and it's [TS]

  optional practically speaking there there's a cut you no definite conflict [TS]

  between the perceived aesthetic about advantage of being symmetric and the [TS]

  complete Haley undeniable usability advantage of being a symmetric whether [TS]

  that's it like making it a wedge-shaped sort of you know in profile like a [TS]

  macbook air or making it a wedge shaped like a star destroyer where it's more of [TS]

  a triangle I mean there's all sorts of ways that you could make it asymmetric [TS]

  right you or or round type thing i know a lot of people are big fans of tivo [TS]

  remote i actually find tivo remotes to be very pleasant to hold the peanut [TS]

  shape but he act that the peanut is symmetric actually too has the same [TS]

  problem in my opinion that I feel like that tivo remote would be better if it [TS]

  was only [TS]

  you know like slightly asymmetrical yeah he said you know like a weekend like [TS]

  when you're eatin peanuts and you get like a weird one more like that you know [TS]

  the mistake of the bottom is a little bit over eyes yeah yeah I'm holding the [TS]

  apple TV or the sea remote in my hand right now and I'm thinking back to the [TS]

  lake the jeff daniels commercial about the 4-inch iphone and like moving your [TS]

  your thumb from one end of the corner to the other and there's just not enough [TS]

  like I have relatively small hands and even with relatively small hands and [TS]

  long fingers [TS]

  there's not enough bottom of the sea remote to grip in order to be able to [TS]

  comfortably place your thumb so that you hit the like minus end of the volume [TS]

  button and the play/pause and also access comfortably the trackpad your [TS]

  kind of like that you're gripping it with like a finger and a half in order [TS]

  to be able to reach down that far and then also reach up like the actual the [TS]

  usable area between the buttons at the top of the trackpad is totally thumb [TS]

  reachable [TS]

  but but you can't you just can't hold it comfortably and if you're going to hold [TS]

  it comfortably which is like moving it up in your hand so that all four fingers [TS]

  are arc reaching and like the bottom left corner of the Apple tea or the sea [TS]

  remote is like comfortably in your hand then you really have to like go into [TS]

  your hand with your phone to actually reach the bottom buttons so from my aunt [TS]

  just from a comfortability standpoint and a this is how I'm holding a remote [TS]

  it's just it's awkward it's offered on your thumb [TS]

  I would be remiss if I did not mention i know it it'll keep some email from [TS]

  coming because I've gotten tons of it from from readers pointing out asking if [TS]

  I noticed and yes i did that in the new version of the appletv OS i think its [TS]

  version 2.2 to ya that they've changed the behavior of the remote trackpad so [TS]

  that's thank god you're right . and the change is that the trackpad in terms of [TS]

  being receptive to like fast-forwarding or or skipping ahead only is sensitive [TS]

  to that once you've clicked it to pause yes so if you're playing video and you [TS]

  pick up the remote and you pick it up upside down or the way you pick it up [TS]

  your finger touches the trackpad nothing happens until you click whereas until [TS]

  version 2.2 it was immediately live [TS]

  which I can see it and to me it's just like it just reeks of being designed in [TS]

  an office with the lights on and you're looking at it and you can see it as [TS]

  opposed to being actually like play tested in a real living room at night [TS]

  with you know what you can't see the remote or you're not paying you have [TS]

  that yet you have the lights offer you have your heel lights on until the movie [TS]

  mode or whatever and you can't see the remote but moreover the biggest problem [TS]

  to me when I first got the apple TV remote is I'm I'm the type of person [TS]

  where like we have a look of a deep couch so I will usually curl up on the [TS]

  couch to watch something and then the remote will either go on the arm or will [TS]

  go on the cushion next to me which also that's probably why I'm losing all of [TS]

  these from host but what in 91 the original you know version of the apple [TS]

  TV software i would move and even touching the the trackpad area with like [TS]

  my leg or my clothing would instantly start the scrub right and they're there [TS]

  is a but i think it's the play/pause button will your like will take you out [TS]

  of the scrub motion but for the life of me I could never remember which button [TS]

  that was I went before I kind of learned the interface and it's just like you're [TS]

  in the scrub and now you're in panic right because you're like oh god I've [TS]

  accidentally scrub 45 minutes ahead and I don't remember where i am and i can't [TS]

  touch the trackpad right and I don't know what you're watching with anybody [TS]

  else you immediately get the hay [TS]

  yeah everybody's you do I'm sorry yet so that that improvement 292 like there are [TS]

  a lot of really really good improvements and then in the 9.2 software updates [TS]

  apple TV but that was probably that was the one where I I you know got up out of [TS]

  my chair and like raise my hands and like thanks and gratitude because it's [TS]

  like I would trigger it pretty much every time i watch television and now [TS]

  yes it's a little bit you know it's more involved and I under like I get the [TS]

  thinking behind it right I the development process where they say oh [TS]

  yeah well no we want you to just be able to swipe across it because otherwise the [TS]

  feature isn't discoverable or it's not easy enough and too many clicks and I [TS]

  get the institutional thinking behind that but in usability you know I don't [TS]

  mind making me that the extra [TS]

  click to scrub and in fact it's much better it's why you have to try stuff [TS]

  you can't just think it sounds like a great idea i was totally worth trying [TS]

  this and should not have shipped no usability it but it totally sounds like [TS]

  a good idea [TS]

  you don't make me wait don't make me wait for a click to start scrubbing well [TS]

  exactly make it easy except for the fact that you're trackpads don't recognize [TS]

  the difference between a leg and a finger or picking it up upside down [TS]

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  yeah the ipad pro this is really what I want to talk about is the new 9.7 inch [TS]

  iPad pro which i've been using since the event and I still haven't written about [TS]

  because I'm finding it really hard to not hard but it I i detect on twitter [TS]

  that this is in some ways to me looking at it objectively the 9.7 inch iPad pro [TS]

  is maybe the most purest modern like it it symbolizes everything that Apple is [TS]

  doing today overall and it to me it's like right in the middle it's not small [TS]

  like an iphone it's not big like a Mac it's running their most popular OS iOS 9 [TS]

  it's a form factor that has evolved the least of anything from where it started [TS]

  right like the 9.7 inch displays exactly what the original iPad had all they've [TS]

  done is make it thinner flattered and lighter over the years and then starting [TS]

  with the ipad air's they got rid of the bezels on the side very very to me it's [TS]

  very very similar in so many ways to the original iPad just been very much and [TS]

  yet to me it's the one device that I see on twitter and i can see in my email [TS]

  from readers that makes some people the angriest and I it's like to me it's like [TS]

  the most innocent and like it non I it shouldn't be controversial least [TS]

  controversial at computing device that Apple makes the entire lineup and yet it [TS]

  seems to be the one that has makes people the angriest how dare you [TS]

  insinuate that an ipad might ever replace my beautiful wonderful mcintosh [TS]

  how dare you that's that's the just right yeah just of it is is outraged at [TS]

  the claim that that you can get you could do your work on it and or that [TS]

  anyone could do their work on it and that it therefore doesn't deserve to be [TS]

  called Pro even though just putting the word pro in the name seems to me while [TS]

  some people up [TS]

  and I don't get it and I I did and I come at this from the perspective of [TS]

  somebody who even just earlier on the show talking to you about the podcast me [TS]

  personally I i won't say couldn't because couldn't is too strong a word [TS]

  but I don't like working from an ipad of any sort compared to working on a Mac [TS]

  you don't prefer it [TS]

  I do not prefer and I often i feel hamstrung i feel like i'm i'm doing my [TS]

  work with chopsticks instead of with my fingers right yeah I was right there [TS]

  with you until last November and that's and I feel like that's totally fine i [TS]

  don't I folks who have been using the mac for years and years and years who [TS]

  have extensive work flows on the mac and are comfortable with their mcintosh like [TS]

  I I completely understand why the initial impression to the ipad is a [TS]

  little bit of abject horror and and even like a I'm making like the cartoon like [TS]

  all evil like hands cross frightened face about about the ipad but it's not [TS]

  it's not here to take away your Mac like I really I really feel like maybe it's [TS]

  just a bumper sticker that comes with the ipad is like this this isn't [TS]

  intended to destroy the imac or even really to destroy the laptop is a [TS]

  different type of computer I don't got really don't get the anger and I say [TS]

  that like i said as somebody who personally does not really strongly does [TS]

  not prefer to use it for what i would consider my work I . that's me [TS]

  personally I don't but I'd completely don't deny that other people would see [TS]

  advantages to it and I don't understand the anger at it and I you know and i [TS]

  guess and i think it maybe even plays into like what we were saying earlier [TS]

  when we saying it would bring your poor 11-inch macbook air got drowned that [TS]

  it's not a good time to buy mac and so they like it i love that the macrumors [TS]

  buying guide [TS]

  now which is a great service whenever anybody asks me for advice and should I [TS]

  get a new mac now I don't even listen to rumors i just say just go look at the [TS]

  macrumors buying guide and they don't even really go by rumors that they list [TS]

  him i guess but for the most part it's just how many days has it been since the [TS]

  last time Apple revved this device and what's the average in history for this [TS]

  device in terms of how long does Apple go and if if it's green it means hey [TS]

  this is a fairly new product definitely you should feel free to buy it now [TS]

  because it's probably early in the product cycle and then they have like a [TS]

  yellow like and mid-range and then red means look this is overdue [TS]

  historically this is overdue for a revision well right now just about the [TS]

  entire Mac lineup is in the red everything except the imax yeah [TS]

  everything except that [TS]

  dymax that have these the the new bike you know [TS]

  hi gamut displays mhm and i just think that's historical circumstances I just [TS]

  think that's just the way it worked out with apples focus in with apple and [TS]

  Intel's roadmap and and etc and I think once you know we'll see revisions to an [TS]

  awful lot of stuff either BTW before WWDC are at WTC in june but I kind of [TS]

  feel like in and some kind of emotional way it's it contributes to the anger [TS]

  that people are worried that people who are worried that that this means that [TS]

  they're going to either make the mac go away or just just not pay attention to [TS]

  the entire Mac lineup that it's proof of it or make it different because it you [TS]

  really think about it with the exception of the 4k and the 5k imac the last real [TS]

  new mac we saw was the 12-inch MacBook which also made a lot of people mad but [TS]

  differently right well but sort of different and similar reasons yeah [TS]

  because in terms of only having a headphone jack and one USB sea port and [TS]

  literally not even a separate one for power that is the only two things yeah [TS]

  plug-in it is sort of the iOS ification of mac hardware like I I think either [TS]

  way i wrote last year was that a lot of people have been worried for a long time [TS]

  that mac OS [TS]

  is software is going to get iOS ified too far and take away what we love about [TS]

  the mac operating system and what we've seen actually with the macbook is it's [TS]

  really the hardware that's gotten more like iOS than the software where you [TS]

  know you didn't know battery to take out anymore [TS]

  I mean that I don't at this point it almost feels silly that we used to be [TS]

  able to take out our macbook batteries [TS]

  oh yeah I mean and you honestly even look at other folks who have like [TS]

  smartphones where you can take out the battery and you're like what the thing I [TS]

  yeah I ram soldered onto the motherboard yeah god forbid you were able to replace [TS]

  your own ram I mean it was great wasn't you know what they are trade-offs but [TS]

  it's definitely did I don't see how anybody could deny that that the mac [TS]

  hardware has gotten very of large injection of the design sensibility of [TS]

  iOS yeah but it also goes back I mean to almost the first you know that the first [TS]

  real generation of Max too because the mac plus was not exactly very incredible [TS]

  but I think about it like you could expand the ram i think that was about it [TS]

  well indicate that was when they think they first started using special screws [TS]

  that yeah it so it's not I it's funny to me when people are like Oh apple is [TS]

  never done this before you used to be able to take her with all your hardware [TS]

  and I'm like no I think you're a PC user in the nineties apple has been perfectly [TS]

  in bits and pieces but yeah the new the new macbook it's funny because i did [TS]

  when i drowned my air that was the question of like okay what's my next [TS]

  laptop gonna be am I gonna go to like the 12-inch MacBook USBC is that gonna [TS]

  happen [TS]

  am I gonna pray that they you know come out with a red air which is probably [TS]

  never going to happen am I gonna go back to a pro i or am I just gonna keep on [TS]

  using the ipad it's just like that's a big question mark for me because I will [TS]

  always have a desktop Mac like there's no question i need i need a superpower [TS]

  machine that i can do high-quality editing on that I can for that would do [TS]

  podcasts on you know that with a little bit less complication than trying to use [TS]

  two devices but as a laptop i have like as I was saying I I was very skeptical [TS]

  of doing work on an iPad because i had tried I tried in 2010 [TS]

  I tried in 2012 I tried in 2013 [TS]

  I tried in 2014 when the ipad air 2 came out and when he ipad pro finally came [TS]

  out the only reason why I spent more than three days with it was the pencil [TS]

  know being like how well I can draw on this thing so I took it and nothing else [TS]

  on a two-week vacation and I was just kind of like you know what I'm gonna [TS]

  take this because i want to draw and i'm mostly on vacation so I don't have to [TS]

  worry about doing a lot of work but if I have to do work I'll figure out some way [TS]

  to like model through it right and what I ended up discovering was in those two [TS]

  weeks i ended up doing quite a bit of work because of course the ipad pro had [TS]

  just come out and i started writing like the ipad pro experiment series on I more [TS]

  which is just me attempting to do various various facets of my normal work [TS]

  on the ipad with surprisingly good success with the exception of podcasts [TS]

  which were still like a horrible you know hellstorm to do i I figured out [TS]

  ways to to do photo editing and two to post my stuff and and to do all of my [TS]

  research and to write in a dead-end and to make movies to to cut movies to cut [TS]

  audio and the more i use the pro and the more i use workflow which federico [TS]

  teaching at max stories his guides have basically been invaluable to that the [TS]

  more i got started to get really comfortable with it right where it's [TS]

  like it it felt a lot like the first the first time I ever used copy paste [TS]

  shortcuts on the Mac when I was like 9 and my dad is like PS here's a faster [TS]

  way to do all the like write the same sentence five times in a row they felt [TS]

  like that it felt it felt like oh I I kind of understand how an ipad supposed [TS]

  to be used as like a rather how it's supposed to be used as a professional [TS]

  work device how I how I can use it as a professional work device and once i got [TS]

  into that mindset it became a lot easier when I came back and I did have the [TS]

  macbook air accessible and I did have my desktop I was like okay I can do all of [TS]

  this on my iPad and it has the 10-hour battery and I have cellular so I never [TS]

  have to worry about whether there's Wi-Fi if I want [TS]

  upload something and I don't have to deal with the the hassle of sending a [TS]

  personal hotspot it just it became much more comfortable but it was a you know [TS]

  it was a 2-3 week process it was it was very much a like and a dive in headfirst [TS]

  and I'm gonna be frustrated for about a week and then I'm gonna figure stuff out [TS]

  and some things I'm gonna figure out and some things are still going to be [TS]

  impossible with a mac and in the end it was how many things can i do comfortably [TS]

  without the you know like you were saying at the beginning without the [TS]

  hassle without the feeling that you're basically trying to you know fit an [TS]

  elephant into a compact into a compact car her um I always I always like the [TS]

  analogy of feeling like you're going uphill on a bike versus down [TS]

  yeah that when you're in the flow and you have a computer that set up the way [TS]

  you you know whatever whatever operating system but if you feel like you're on a [TS]

  bicycle that's going downhill [TS]

  that's when you're getting you feel like you're feel great yeah you feel like as [TS]

  productive as your mind you're only limited by your own brain is that you're [TS]

  going uphill it when it feels like you're going uphill it just feels like [TS]

  this sucks my the system is slowing me down like I'm you know fully caffeinated [TS]

  a midday I feel great about you know I feel like I've got good ideas that I'm [TS]

  writing or whatever i'm doing but if you feel like you're frustrated by the tools [TS]

  it it just ended somehow brings you down to say going uphill because you feel [TS]

  like I could be doing [TS]

  I could be doing better it's like when you're really sick and you have all of [TS]

  the great ideas in the world but because your body is letting you down [TS]

  you can't execute any of them and you're like what i want to do this please [TS]

  yeah and there and they're still definitely some tasks where I feel that [TS]

  way with the ipad but I but after spending some time forcing myself to use [TS]

  it and getting over the initial hump it feels a lot better three touch actually [TS]

  was something i just wrote an article over the weekend about that we're like [TS]

  you were complaining a little bit about 3d touch and jason l was complaining a [TS]

  lot about 3d touch and I'm like I totally get where you guys are coming [TS]

  from because there's a lot about 30 touch that's unfinished and a lot of it [TS]

  that just doesn't click properly [TS]

  but there were some features you know I forced myself for instance to use like [TS]

  the left side deep press to get into multitasking and i'm using the keyboard [TS]

  as like a cursor so that you can move it rather than using the old style and [TS]

  those two short cuts alone made three touch i think i called it was like three [TS]

  touches an itch I can't live without because with those two features my [TS]

  iphone productivity is so much faster than it was pre-op phone success and [TS]

  like even with all the problems with 3d touch that's like those two things are [TS]

  like know all of the devices have to have 3d touch and God forbid what if the [TS]

  home button disappears maybe three touches are like initial way into that [TS]

  getting us comfortable with that but you have to use it right you have to force [TS]

  yourself to use the left side multitask a shortcut because where we've been [TS]

  trained for what six seven eight years now to to press that double press the [TS]

  home button since iOS four to bring up the multitasking shortcut and if you [TS]

  don't give it a like if you don't force yourself you're not going to get out of [TS]

  your old habits and you're not gonna be able to see if the new habits are [TS]

  potentially faster or potentially slower [TS]

  yeah i think it highlights the it's just an inherent problem in designing systems [TS]

  in the it systems meaning like that the basic UI of a computer [TS]

  yeah touch screens on the mac to me as a perfect example we still don't have them [TS]

  and I still I don't think we ever will I just because it just doesn't work to [TS]

  have an interface where the elements are so close to each other to be so tiny [TS]

  white in and they should be because the mouse is a very fine instrument or [TS]

  trackpad or you know third whatever you're using for input on Mac it's so [TS]

  fine I kind of feel like 3d touch though is that way to iOS where if we had 3d [TS]

  touch right from the start in $MONTH 2007 I feel it would be integrated with [TS]

  the system in a way that kind of can't be now because they can't just make [TS]

  things that are essential for it because only the iphone success and success plus [TS]

  have it even a new ipads don't have it so every other iOS device needs to be [TS]

  there needs to be a way to do the 3d touch stuff without it [TS]

  yeah and I for that I look to live photos is a good example of something [TS]

  where this is this is something that is exclusive to the success the 6s plus the [TS]

  small ipad pro and the iphone SE and only two of those four devices have 3d [TS]

  touch so they just said and also they have of course my photos on the apple TV [TS]

  and my photos support on the eye on the mac to to look at it now like okay well [TS]

  how do we still show the like shift from still photo to live photos and on the on [TS]

  the ipad on the iphone sexy it's just a long press and I'm I mean I think you [TS]

  mentioned that in your in your sort of overview of Jason's article where it's [TS]

  like it makes a lot of sense to tie 3d touch too long press gestures be [TS]

  especially because if you've ever used a 3d touch device and I think about it [TS]

  from the home screen primarily is trying to actually trigger the difference [TS]

  between a long press in a 3d to in a light 3d touch is almost impossible huh [TS]

  you try and edit your home screen and it's just like nope you're going to [TS]

  preview app icon [TS]

  nope you didn't do it that we couldn't do it right either so I don't under I [TS]

  don't understand why they didn't just jump into the idea of let's just design [TS]

  iOS 9 so that a long press equals 3d touch ok one of the other minor [TS]

  annoyances and I have a 3d touch and I i love the idea of long of hard pressing [TS]

  the apps on that home screen getting shortcuts and so yeah there's some great [TS]

  apples done some great stuff with that and I know that a lot of third-party [TS]

  utility makers have some really clever stuff in there but the one that drives [TS]

  me nuts is for the phone app it's like you can't set who the people are it's [TS]

  like the boys just like three random people and the logic of it doesn't make [TS]

  any sense to me because I it i would i would guess that at least half of all [TS]

  the calls i ever make our to my wife and sometimes she's not listed and it [TS]

  doesn't see I don't know how there could be any algorithm that would that would [TS]

  gasps as to who i want that list that wouldn't include her based on my [TS]

  outgoing call history and yet sometimes she's not listed sometimes she is and [TS]

  sometimes she's not [TS]

  i I just wish that I wish that feature would just let me pic three people like [TS]

  just say like top three p [TS]

  only my phone favorites and that's it yeah was it's funny because clicking my [TS]

  clicking my phone right now it is the top three people in my phone favorites [TS]

  but I'm also pretty sure that that's again that's random [TS]

  I'm it's the same thing with messages to is like messages doesn't show that their [TS]

  most recent people that you've texted and I'm like why why doesn't just so [TS]

  show the three most recent people wouldn't that make the most sense [TS]

  yeah i don't i don't know what they're doing but it's definitely that's not [TS]

  what it no and that's I mean that's a factor of Apple being weak on certain [TS]

  algorithmic things in the first place [TS]

  it's what we did a retrospective on iOS 9 like six months in one of the things [TS]

  that still irritates me is the whole promise of proactive was really awesome [TS]

  and I was really excited about you know oh yeah it'll frequently know what apps [TS]

  are using it this time a day because it technically has all of that information [TS]

  and it's all local to your device but serious suggestions rarely really [TS]

  helpful on weird random occasions it is but more often than not it is just a [TS]

  couple of apps that i may have used recently and and let alone all the lock [TS]

  screen app suggestions i feel like i've only seen that once or twice in my life [TS]

  since installing iOS 9 you know where it's like oh yes it will show you a [TS]

  swipe up in the bottom left-hand corner for the most recently use app you use it [TS]

  like nine in the morning I don't have never seen that i'm waiting for it to [TS]

  show me like tweet by go read your tweets because you always do this every [TS]

  morning [TS]

  right so do add before going further so youryour when you say your portable is a [TS]

  ipad pro you mean the 12-point is right i mean the 12 find out yeah I've got [TS]

  both sitting on my my desk right now but when i say the and i'm working on the [TS]

  review because i like you I've been spending a lot of time using it rather [TS]

  than writing about it but when it comes to replacing a laptop whole hog you know [TS]

  not having a macbook in the wings the 12.9 inch has to be the way to go for me [TS]

  because of split view and keyboard alone all right [TS]

  I thought I disagree but i will get back to that yeah we [TS]

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  I i like the 9.7 inch model better but i think it's possibly related to the fact [TS]

  that that like i said i don't really do work on the ipad i just use it for [TS]

  reading and I've always liked it for reading and i used to i mean this is how [TS]

  badly my eyes have gotten worse as a rocketing into my forties but like when [TS]

  the ipad mini first came out I love that was like this is the ipad for me because [TS]

  I can hold in one hand and it's but it's like as I did even in the years since [TS]

  that's come out which haven't been that many it the fact that it's just the same [TS]

  number of pixels as the 9.7 inch iPad shrunken down [TS]

  it's a lot easier for me now to use a 9.7 inch just because it's the same [TS]

  interface bigger [TS]

  oh yeah so if I were younger I think i would still be a fan of the ipad mini [TS]

  form factor now that I'm getting older I like the 9.7 and to me the 12 it just [TS]

  isn't suitable and I've gone back now that i have both of them as you know [TS]

  called the ipad pro here in the house [TS]

  I've gone back to it and it's I see why other people like I can see why people [TS]

  like that especially if they're using it on a desk but for me it's it's not as [TS]

  good as sighs and I find much like Jason's know who wrote a review of that [TS]

  smart keyboard i expected to really despise the keyboard because of the size [TS]

  but I've actually found myself but I'm pretty good typing on it it's it's as [TS]

  bad as I mean it's not as good as a full-size keyboard i mean i can't say [TS]

  that but it's way better than I expected [TS]

  yeah it's it's serviceable which is a lot better than I can say for many many [TS]

  many other keyboards and I've used bluetooth keyboards and USB keyboards [TS]

  for both the iPad Mini which used to be my my go-to ipad actually and the 9.7 [TS]

  inch iPad old old original ipad and ipad air and ipad 2 it's interesting to me [TS]

  because I think there is a very big divide where the the 12.9 inch is not [TS]

  the device for people who want to read or people who want to like casually draw [TS]

  or just have an ipad like I i really think especially with the 9.7 coming in [TS]

  and having the smart connector and having access to the pencil the 9.7 I [TS]

  mean it's the sweet spot for ipad size right it's the ipad size that they have [TS]

  been developing since 2010 and it feels it feels great in the hand like I [TS]

  thought that I was gonna get the 9.7 to look at it and to review it and then I [TS]

  was gonna return it because I was just like it's you know I've got a I've got a [TS]

  big ipad i don't need another ipad even though it's pretty evident rose gold [TS]

  it's nice but I don't need it and i think i might keep it around because it [TS]

  is as you said it is really nice for reading and it's so light in comparison [TS]

  like my 12.9 inch iPad here's my confession about this is that basically [TS]

  my 12.9 inch ipad is a macbook with a touchscreen what I've turned it into I [TS]

  haven't encased in like this gigantic logitech create keyboard case which [TS]

  turns it into like a three-pound computer which is heavier than my [TS]

  macbook air [TS]

  I and on that side I'm I feel silly because I'm like I've just turned this [TS]

  incredibly you know fairly still fairly light piece of technology and I [TS]

  basically shoved it in like one of the ugliest ipad cases I've ever seen in my [TS]

  life [TS]

  although it is bright red so at least I've got that going for me but overall [TS]

  it's not a it's it's not it doesn't look like an iPad it looks closer to a [TS]

  surface when you if you'd see it from behind that it does from an ipad and [TS]

  you'd only be able to tell them it's an ipad if you came back like behind me and [TS]

  looked closely at the way that it was designed because it has the home button [TS]

  up but I've basically the the 12.9 inch does not come out of this case I i will [TS]

  occasionally take it out if I'm like showing it to somebody and they want to [TS]

  like feel how heavy it is but to me it is like it is part of this keyboard and [TS]

  that's part partially because the logitech create keyboard is its it has a [TS]

  beautiful home row that has shortcuts that just make using iOS like a desktop [TS]

  where you can have you know it has a quick to home button and it has a search [TS]

  button which will automatically close the app urine and pull up spotlight you [TS]

  can do command tab on it so it's it's basically a laptop it [TS]

  a laptop with the with with a multi-touch on it and and split view and [TS]

  split view on the 12 9 when you're doing when you're trying to do actual work is [TS]

  really nice it's basically to portrait iPads side-by-side that's not again not [TS]

  the perfect implementation of multiple windows but i actually like I I almost [TS]

  like it a little bit better than the tiered window system that Western has [TS]

  four especially for writing because a lot calmer right i look at my any of my [TS]

  max at any given time including the one I'm my imac I'm staring right now and [TS]

  it's there's a there's a sense to it i I'm not lost but it's it i'm also [TS]

  displeased by the clutter that yes it is its there's a method to my madness and I [TS]

  know which apps tend to be on which sides and and stuff like that but it [TS]

  doesn't look nice neat whereas the ipad in forces neatness because it's you know [TS]

  you can only have two limitations time and are always open at these set you [TS]

  know like 5050 or 230 and exactly um and there's a certain clarity you know that [TS]

  that is very appealing to me the fact that you cannot make it messy and that [TS]

  you know and again I think you're right and I don't think it's any surprise that [TS]

  one group of people who find the ipad the most appealing as a true work [TS]

  machine our writers is that it you know because the lack of clutter can help [TS]

  focus your mind [TS]

  uh-huh so now i see the appeal of that but it's still I don't know there is [TS]

  something there it gets back to like my complain about 3d touch not being [TS]

  integrated because it wasn't there from the beginning i find that the [TS]

  multitasking in iOS still isn't quite it's not quite seamless because it [TS]

  wasn't there from the beginning and the fact that every app doesn't support it [TS]

  and it's impossible to predict which apps are going to or not and finding the [TS]

  apps and that right pecker i don't think i've ever used that pecker honestly I [TS]

  open it once and I was just like no then well then how how do you do multitasking [TS]

  if you don't use the picture mantab oh I am I always have my my iPad connected to [TS]

  that create keyboard so the only the ways that ice which is just constant [TS]

  command [TS]

  at command cab command tab and I'll open one app and then i'll split screen it [TS]

  and then I'll just command tab until I find the right the ring apps for it to [TS]

  put in the other exactly exactly and it still you know it's not perfect because [TS]

  they're as you said it's it's something that was essentially developed what last [TS]

  year right on and it's missing things like drag-and-drop which would be [TS]

  crucial between one pain to the other pain and which it just does not have [TS]

  four sandbox reasons and probably just development reasons and there's a guy i [TS]

  made a whole laundry list of you know potential feature is that the that the [TS]

  next generation of iOS four for ipad is currently lacking that people who are [TS]

  using it for professional uses desperately want um but but that's you [TS]

  know if you want to use the iPad as a professional machine you basically have [TS]

  to attach a keyboard to it right now and you can use you know it's it's nice the [TS]

  touchscreen is nice because then you can turn it into something else like what I [TS]

  really liked about the 12-inch 1209 images that i can take it with the [TS]

  keyboard and i can write up a storm and I can do professional work and then just [TS]

  as easily I collapse it you know on top of the keyboard and it's just a screen [TS]

  and I can use that in the pencil and very quickly like edit dust out of [TS]

  photos for for like I'm or hero shots or you know I went on am I help some [TS]

  friends take some engagement photos and i was using one of the adapters I just [TS]

  pulled out the SD card and I all I uploaded them all onto my my iPad and we [TS]

  were able to basically go through them on that 12.9 inch screen with like with [TS]

  a couple behind me immediately pick out the favorites and then send all of those [TS]

  two lightroom so that I could you know properly batch and color correct them [TS]

  and that took you know probably 15 minutes we're on a on a Mac it probably [TS]

  like it's not it's not that the workflow would have been it's like dramatically [TS]

  more difficult but it's just it's it's taking out some of the steps and it's a [TS]

  little bit easier you know it's easier to view an ipad and pass it between [TS]

  people than it is to like pick up a laptop and handed and it's just it's [TS]

  it's slightly slightly different use cases on and again it's something one is [TS]

  better than the [TS]

  they're like overall I think they're both great machines especially when you [TS]

  talk about affordability but if you're doing certain certain tasks and [TS]

  especially if you're very adding tasks you know you don't just use your laptop [TS]

  for writing you want to edit photos or you want to draw that's when the you [TS]

  know the flexibility of having an ipad with the keyboard that also just turns [TS]

  into an ipad when you need it is really something special [TS]

  um I i find that the like one of the things that slows me down the most and [TS]

  there's just I don't know if there's if it's ever gonna be good enough is the [TS]

  ability to precisely select ranges of texts like me and I don't know maybe [TS]

  it's III because i do so much of it it's it's and I've done it for years I come [TS]

  really really really fast on a mac at taking my mouse or trackpad if I'm on on [TS]

  a macbook and selecting exactly the range of text that I want copy and [TS]

  command tabbing to the other app and pasting it where I wanted to go and I [TS]

  find that like that to me is one of those things that always feels like I'm [TS]

  pedaling uphill on on an iPad 14 it's awful [TS]

  yeah okay here it's definitely better with the keyboard all of the the [TS]

  keyboard you know text selection shortcuts work so i basically just you [TS]

  know I'll do like command control and use the arrow keys and command shift and [TS]

  just you know select everything I need that way and that and like Nancy like [TS]

  all of the all the shortcuts that I normally and I've pretty much moved [TS]

  entirely away from mouse based select text selection once I once I figured out [TS]

  the right like set of keyboard commands to use the only place where this bites [TS]

  me in the ass in an iOS and it's one of the things that you mentioned it earlier [TS]

  we're like some apps don't supports love you [TS]

  well some apps don't support you know simple things like keyboard shortcuts [TS]

  yeah um and I'm not calling out anybody here google huh have have basically a [TS]

  hell of a hate-hate affair with the ipad right now where things like for instance [TS]

  in Google Docs and M dash doesn't work you try and do the keyboard command for [TS]

  an em dash and it just won't it just doesn't exist [TS]

  and and it's just like things like that or being able to select text just [TS]

  doesn't exist [TS]

  ok how I don't mean how do you even break something like that i do they have [TS]

  like a command tied to I remember when the first version of textmate came out [TS]

  and as a longtime be at user the appeal of it escaped me but I also kept an open [TS]

  mind and I thought well I can see why people don't like BB and even though i [TS]

  love it and therefore if they don't like BB at maybe this is the glass of ice [TS]

  water and he'll that they've been waiting for but there were so many weird [TS]

  things in the first version of textmate including the fact that there was a menu [TS]

  command that was tied to not just option p just they give us some kind of like [TS]

  print setup or I don't know but some command in the app you have to type [TS]

  option p and I thought will wait how in the world instantly as a long time Mac [TS]

  user that well how would you type the pie character and the answer was not you [TS]

  can and and it just was that like the guy who made the appt didn't know that [TS]

  you know that you that option plus a character who's not for menu commands it [TS]

  was really reserved for typing extended characters because he was a relatively [TS]

  new to the mac it would just didn't occur to them like you should never not [TS]

  be able to type in md know and it makes you feel it makes you feel stupid and [TS]

  then it makes you question is the keyboard broken and finally you get to [TS]

  the point where you're like oh google just didn't build a good fucking nap you [TS]

  know what are you married I'm very angry about that i'll give an example here's [TS]

  an example on the ipad pro of an app that I love I would and I you know [TS]

  there's a random me holding it up i love tweetbot for iOS you consider tweetbot [TS]

  for iOS to be my favorite iOS app . like a burger from anybody else but that's [TS]

  primarily based on my interaction with it on the phone and I find that their [TS]

  ipad version is not it's good it still is that the ipad twitter app that I use [TS]

  but I there's little things about it that I don't like as much [TS]

  their beds are so bank that's my problem well in life that's our screen [TS]

  my thing is that i don't know what to do with that right hand column when you [TS]

  have it in portrait not landscape and I have it in and using the ipad in the [TS]

  keyboard it has to be in landscape but the other little thing that they don't [TS]

  do and again you know that i'm complaining about an app that i love but [TS]

  it doesn't it's not hooked up to the space bar in any way in terms of like [TS]

  just scroll down you can't yeah you can't just you have to take your finger [TS]

  on the screen which sort of defeats the the comfort of using the ipad in a [TS]

  laptop configuration with the with a any keyboard internet one of my complaints [TS]

  with the ipad pro 12 inch and 12 . 9-inch back in September was that using [TS]

  this space bar to scroll was messed up in so many apps like Safari scrolled by [TS]

  very strange that cage in the quarter [TS]

  yeah we skipped like two paragraphs every time you practice [TS]

  yeah so like and scrolling too much is way worse than scrolling too little [TS]

  because at least if it's growing too little you could you just have to hit [TS]

  space too many times whereas if it rolls more than a screen you've actually [TS]

  missed text and it it defeats the purpose Apple commendably has actually [TS]

  done a lot of work and one of my biggest things that I would sing the praises of [TS]

  using the ipad pro and I dis applies to both [TS]

  using the ipad pro and I dis applies to both [TS]

  Pat pros at this point but it's because it's an iOS 9.3 thing but the spacebar [TS]

  does what I mean in way more cases including especially in safari so you [TS]

  open up safari and even if you're at a weird scaling factor because it's not [TS]

  like an iPad optimized thing you have space and it Scrolls by a sensible [TS]

  amount [TS]

  almost almost every time I can remember you know in the week weeks i've been [TS]

  using this like a I can't remember a handful of cases where it didn't work [TS]

  another thing they do that's great is and I think its new 99% sure it's know [TS]

  is that when you're using mail the up-and-down arrows always go to the next [TS]

  and previous message so you can do i find myself able to like triage my inbox [TS]

  and just go through all of my unread emails from the day on the ipad with the [TS]

  keyboard way way better than I could before iOS 9.3 simply for the fact that [TS]

  i can just use the up and down arrows to go between messages please delete key to [TS]

  get rid of them so it's really big big improvement but the fact that tweet but [TS]

  doesn't really do anything with the keyboard really kind of not going to say [TS]

  it's useless because that's that's hyperbole but if i want to do twitter on [TS]

  the ipad pro I I find that I need to take it off the keyboard [TS]

  yeah I usually i almost never run Tweetbot full screen all usually run it [TS]

  in like 7030 where it's the 30 little bit and then I'll have my my thumb and [TS]

  like the bottom right corner of wherever the ipad is like product up so I'll just [TS]

  scroll really little bit that but it's it's a it's a problem and for me for [TS]

  something like tweet but I read it bottom-up like I won't read from like [TS]

  most recent i still am sort of a timeline completionist because i [TS]

  apparently hate myself so it's like idea to refer I just need arrow keys like the [TS]

  spacebar would be bad for me up but but there are apps like that their apps [TS]

  where it's half finished and and that's I think key to a lot of folks ipad as a [TS]

  work machine complaints and honestly was my complaint until very recently when I [TS]

  don't like when the pencil came out my my perception of pro of ipad had to [TS]

  change because the pencil is basically what I've been asking for since 2010 as [TS]

  like this is an amazing drawing device [TS]

  and even if it sucks at everything else I'm going to carry it around because [TS]

  it's an amazing drawing device so if i have to carry it around at this time the [TS]

  12.9 inch was the only model but i have to carry it around while I might let you [TS]

  might as well at least figure out what else I can do with it and turns out i [TS]

  can do quite a lot but when I was coming to the ipad in print in Prior versions [TS]

  like even the ipad air 2 I was so excited about it for about a week and [TS]

  then it went into like my bookshelf of iOS devices and then I never touched it [TS]

  because I just I hadn't found anything [TS]

  the ipad was really good for how where it's like it's it's great for reading [TS]

  but because i had at the time you know I had I had switched to an iphone six-plus [TS]

  just to try it [TS]

  I and let's have since gone back to the success but without with a screen that [TS]

  big I i was so lazy about getting off the iphone and reading on a device that [TS]

  was better for me despite the fact that the ipad has a much much nicer screen [TS]

  and is much more comfortable honestly in the hand to read than trying to like [TS]

  prop up the iphone with your pinky because it's just small enough that you [TS]

  think that you can balance it like that while you read I was just I was being [TS]

  lazy about it i was i was blowing off the ipad for that and just because when [TS]

  I would try and do something professionally like when i try and prep [TS]

  an article with earlier versions of iOS and get to the point where I couldn't [TS]

  upload thumbnails like I couldn't I couldn't upload a video or photo because [TS]

  the upload file button in safari didn't work i would just throw up my hands and [TS]

  be like well you know FS this is stupid [TS]

  this is this is not worth my time it's again it feels like you're using [TS]

  chopsticks instead of your fingers exactly exactly except sometimes when [TS]

  it's something like you that you can't even get to the file uploading from [TS]

  safari it's like like using a lego robot to control chopsticks from across the [TS]

  room [TS]

  yeah i think you know I'm just be easier for me to just go upstairs to my mac it [TS]

  would actually be easier to get up from where I am [TS]

  to not be lazy look we're gonna happen if you're not home like to do it would [TS]

  be easier for me to go home and get on a mac and do this [TS]

  yeah and and since then you know iOS 9 has a has a file picker built-in and [TS]

  iCloud Drive and workflow both make it so much easier to deal with files on an [TS]

  iOS then you know it actually it feels like a normal file system if when you [TS]

  when you set it up to your liking [TS]

  which is really nice butt but I feel like so many people have had those bad [TS]

  experiences where they go in and they try and do something on iOS and it just [TS]

  does not work . that they've given up or they or they see something not working [TS]

  they're just like well that's never going to get fixed and why would I even [TS]

  try i don't even like the ipad that much so i get i get the hesitation and I and [TS]

  that's honestly why I'm really excited for the 9.7 inch iPad pro you know as [TS]

  somebody i'm going to use the 12.9 at least until i get a macbook her new a [TS]

  new mac laptop if I got a new mac laptop because it's it's comfortable and it [TS]

  mostly does what i need like ninety percent of my job I can do on an ipad [TS]

  pro and I can do it in such a way that it doesn't make me feel like I'm tearing [TS]

  my hair out where it's actually enjoyable and in some cases better than [TS]

  on my mac but for the vast majority of people they're either not going to have [TS]

  the time to give that a try or they're just not going to be interested in [TS]

  giving that a try in the 9.7 inch both in cost and form factor i think is a lot [TS]

  easier sell of a here's a way to get into ipad and to mess around with ipad [TS]

  without having to make the commitment of this is going to be your only device and [TS]

  you're going to carry around or you're going to carry around a three-pound ipad [TS]

  and keyboard along with a mac the ipad pro the baby at the baby pro as I've [TS]

  been calling it with one of like apples Smart keyboards and and like a back [TS]

  cover doesn't weigh that what always like to 2.2 worry maybe if that when you [TS]

  get a hand right now with the with the keyboard cover on and I don't know what [TS]

  it was but it-it-it if you think of it just as an ipad it feels like this is a [TS]

  very heavy cover [TS]

  yeah and if you think if I could take the cover off and just hold the ipads [TS]

  like wow that cover really weighs it down but if I think of it is as a [TS]

  portable computer you can take around and I remember what it used to be like [TS]

  to tell ya you know even the earlier errors you know it's like wow this is [TS]

  absolutely amazing in comparison yeah it's it's it's like you're I was holding [TS]

  the 9.7 inch outside because I was trying out the two-tone display drawing [TS]

  outside and we had a pretty gusty day and the thing almost blew out of my [TS]

  hands because it's just it's so light and because it's flat like that you get [TS]

  it the wrong way [TS]

  um it's a really nice you know it's a nice shape to hold it feels really great [TS]

  and you pair it with a pencil like the thing i'm really i'm most excited about [TS]

  is getting this into the hands of like kids and teenagers who are interested in [TS]

  drawing poor interested in you know doing more unconventional things with a [TS]

  computer then you might do traditionally with a mac there's an they're like I've [TS]

  been testing drawing apps i'm testing handwriting apps and things like that on [TS]

  there is an app that allows you to make your your own fonts [TS]

  oh I saw your article this this is this was like blue lines because I you know I [TS]

  used to date somebody who is a who was a professional typographer and like built [TS]

  fonts and I would watch him for like hours and hours while he would like [TS]

  perfect turning and and change drawing paths and with the pencil [TS]

  not only is it really easy to just sketch out like your your initial set of [TS]

  characters in this app but it has all the all of the kerning features and all [TS]

  of the path you know adjustments that the professional version of like from [TS]

  photographer would have and it and you can upload it directly to the system [TS]

  with a profile so you can literally you know make make your own font and then [TS]

  install it immediately on iOS and use it in a project like pages which is just [TS]

  it's like that kind of very specific niche thing I feel like it's going to [TS]

  make typographers sing for joy because you can you can start this and then you [TS]

  could bring it somewhere else right [TS]

  you could work you could start a font you have a stroke of inspiration and you [TS]

  can start a font on your on your iPad weather [TS]

  it's a 9.7 or 12.9 and then bring into your mac and work on it more [TS]

  it's just like I see so many so many kids like if I had a device like this is [TS]

  a kid like my wacom is probably the best the move the most comparable thing and [TS]

  even that was so so like light years behind what this is that it is it's it's [TS]

  so much potential and the the price and the size and the fact that it works with [TS]

  the pencil just I feel like poises the potential for huge huge growth in that [TS]

  sector assuming that people will buy into it i'm wondering it's just one [TS]

  thing about it is that if you get the whole rig with meaning [TS]

  let's say the mid mid capacity one huh 749 and then you want the cellular it [TS]

  goes up to [TS]

  I think that's 8 8 49 extract 129 1621 will sit down so it's an extra hundred [TS]

  hi Lisa hundred bucks hundred twenty bucks the keyboard 250 bucks and the [TS]

  pencils a hundred bucks so overall you're looking at even just for the 128 [TS]

  one you're looking at at least like 11 hundred dollars [TS]

  yeah and it's a it's pretty expensive if you want to try an outfit now there's [TS]

  all sorts of those things that aren't necessarily required you don't have to [TS]

  get the cellular one you don't know you could get you know thankfully the mid [TS]

  the entry level is 32 gigs not 16 gauge and and decently priced right i think if [TS]

  you know that you're never going to draw you could I think most buy it i think [TS]

  you can skip the pencil i think if you you know there might be some handwriting [TS]

  type things that you could do with it but I think as a general rule if you [TS]

  know you don't draw then I i think it's easy to know not to get the pencil or if [TS]

  you're not planning the other thing that I think the pencil does really well is [TS]

  precision editing so if you're if you're a photographer or if you're anybody [TS]

  who's doing any kind of film work or editing work audio work this is can be [TS]

  really really hits like it's imagine the most precise mouse that you can do it [TS]

  that's really cool but yes if you don't if you're not doing those things than [TS]

  absolutely yeah and that might you know [TS]

  very small sample survey of asking my wife who is a very and she loves her [TS]

  iPad her iPad is our portable computer she has an ipad air one I guess so she's [TS]

  due for an upgrade [TS]

  I mean she uses it i mean just hours every day and so it's you know this is [TS]

  perfect for her than 1.7 I was like do you think do you want the keyboard and [TS]

  she's like no way because she still you know she'll pick out text messages on [TS]

  the on-screen keyboard but she doesn't want a heavier cover she wanted the [TS]

  white cover and she still used to user mac for if she really has like a long [TS]

  email to write she goes to her mac sure and you want the pencil and she's like [TS]

  what I use it for I was like I don't know she was like no I don't want a [TS]

  pencil that was it [TS]

  so it's you know I think and it but I like that it's just a sensible like do [TS]

  you get or not get that you don't need to spend the extra 250 bucks on the [TS]

  keyboard and the pencil if you're not going to use them and the answer is yes [TS]

  but still that's a pretty you know it's not like you're saving money by getting [TS]

  an ipad pro instead of a macbook I mean you know maybe compared to a macbook pro [TS]

  but you know you're still talking about a thousand-dollar thousand-dollar plus [TS]

  setup which in the grand scheme of the industry is not that cheap [TS]

  no it's not it just depends on what you're using it for right because if it [TS]

  if you don't if you don't have the intention of ever using the pencil I [TS]

  feel like four ninety-nine percent of people max probably going to be better [TS]

  but if you need touchscreen accessibility or if you have any desire [TS]

  to work with the pencil the ipad instantly becomes a really really [TS]

  exciting piece of technology especially good i want to tell you my face before I [TS]

  forget I want to I want to get this out there is my favorite ipad pencil hack is [TS]

  take the cap and put it either throw it away or just put it somewhere but there [TS]

  you're never gonna use it again and don't ever use the cap and instead use [TS]

  the little lightning adapter as the cap and I keep the little lightning adapter [TS]

  on the pencil at all times and that means that you can charge the pencil at [TS]

  any time either way you can either change charge it as a male or a female [TS]

  and [TS]

  time and fun it and I don't understand why it wasn't like this white why [TS]

  they're not encouraging that like the cap doesn't do any purpose other than [TS]

  the cover the the protect the Lightning port right and instead they give you the [TS]

  little they give you this little adapter that you can use either way that's it [TS]

  that's a good heck i like that you know [TS]

  although to be honest I have never charged my pencil with anything but the [TS]

  ipad in that we are like wacky configuration it just never because it [TS]

  charges so fast with the ipad that I never even think like if i bring my [TS]

  pencil somewhere and it's like five percent battery literally five minutes [TS]

  get you twenty twenty-five percent charge which is kind of crazy to me when [TS]

  you can charge it the other way and it's if you have an iphone charger yeah and [TS]

  it's already but then you have to find the wall right and it's like though the [TS]

  beauty of the ipad set up to me is that as long as my iPads charged when i leave [TS]

  the house I don't have to bring connectors you don't have to worry about [TS]

  it or do you just keep the keep the Lightning port exposed i have the cap on [TS]

  the someone on Twitter and I can't remember who it is now gave me the [TS]

  amazing tip where the cap is magnetic [TS]

  so it'll grab onto the to the smart magnets the Smart Cover magnets on your [TS]

  iPad so when you take the cap off to plug in your to plug in the pencils for [TS]

  the ipad you just drop it on the ipad and it's actually really it's a fun game [TS]

  you can just drop it anywhere on the ipad it'll go and grab onto the Smart [TS]

  Cover magnets so that's my that's my and my my other ipad good i pad pencil hack [TS]

  is by a two-dollar micron pen and then steal the clip off the micron pan and [TS]

  then you can just slide it over the silver pencil so I have a nice little [TS]

  click there keep it from rolling too hmm two-dollar micron the stone so that's [TS]

  good that micron pens have like a clip that is the right sort of that is [TS]

  exactly the right size yeah right what would you call that the right sort of a [TS]

  diameter yeah diameter or circumference 1261 1261 happens yeah exactly 6 1 pi [TS]

  times a different option option he there we go pison we have a theme for this [TS]

  episode yeah uh I so the other one else is there to talk about with that the [TS]

  ipad pro there's the display this is the thing I know Jason I talked about it [TS]

  last week and everybody's you can't not talk about it that now there is a weird [TS]

  like off-cycle pace to the ipad pros we're even though this one is six months [TS]

  after the 12.9 inch one it has some technology that is clearly like an [TS]

  entire generation ahead specifically with the display with the fact that it [TS]

  has the true tone feature for changing the color temperature of what's on [TS]

  screen based on the ambient color of wherever it is that you're using it and [TS]

  this new thing under them [TS]

  miss speak but more or less than it has a high it displays a higher gamut [TS]

  significantly higher gamut of colors what is that pc3 the same it's the same [TS]

  color gamut is on the fork and 5k imax which is pretty neat it which is [TS]

  extremely need and I think all of this is going to cum everywhere [TS]

  eventually oh yeah within i'm going to say like three years 23 years every mac [TS]

  every iphone every ipad will have the high gamut and the true tone because [TS]

  it's just it both of them are just remarkably it's mind-blowing Iran you [TS]

  know i see i don't know if you've ever get this John because you run your own [TS]

  site and you're not really beholden to the publishing schedules but i'll [TS]

  occasionally do this thing on I'm our world I'm write a really good story and [TS]

  I get so excited about like I was originally planned for say after the [TS]

  weekend or its plan to like go live on Wednesday and I'm just like I'm just [TS]

  going to publish it now i don't care if it's 11pm tonight I'm just gonna just [TS]

  gonna go with it now and that's kind of what I feel like croutons on this on [TS]

  this I fattest example being like we developed it and it's ready and we could [TS]

  wait until the iphone 7 but you know what [TS]

  this will allow us to to get some bug's iron out while we figure out how it [TS]

  works on the bigger screen and then we can bring it to the smaller screen and [TS]

  then we can bring it to the mac it will be great let's just launched it now guys [TS]

  right get it is exciting right even if the fact is that it meant it really [TS]

  makes for a very all ultimately i think that the two ipad pros will be little be [TS]

  like choosing between macbook pros we're really the main thing is that duh which [TS]

  size do you want [TS]

  yeah it was screen and maybe it maybe a little bit more [TS]

  I am and you know like in a way that the hard stuff right in the ways that like a [TS]

  15-inch macbook pro outperforms the 13 inch ones biased by small degree but [TS]

  like what you would you know it just seems intuitively well yeah of course [TS]

  it's little little bit better technically but it's not like that at [TS]

  all with that with the to ipad pros today it's the the district Walter yeah [TS]

  the display quality of the 9.71 and shit but it's just a vastly different and mr. [TS]

  John is incredible it's just the first time when I was setting up the ipad [TS]

  there's the there's the button where it's like would you like to use true [TS]

  tone display and it's just a little blue button that's like with true tone and [TS]

  then you press it and it turns on without your tone and I made a gif of it [TS]

  because I'm just like this is so stop like I didn't even realize the screen [TS]

  was slightly orange and normally i'm very attuned to that stuff like I [TS]

  couldn't use flux for years on my Mac because it would just drive me crazy but [TS]

  this is much subtler than flux and even much subtler the night shift to a [TS]

  certain extent it's just always very good very good i actually think that it [TS]

  is confusing that it's shipped alongside night shift as an OS feature because to [TS]

  me they are no pun intended like night and day where night shift is a very [TS]

  dramatic effect and I I've made that definitely made more people who read [TS]

  daring fireball angry with my comments on night shift than anything we've done [TS]

  recently because I'm out love the guy i've linked to numerous of the things [TS]

  that are like Glenn fleischmann had a good piece that the science that says [TS]

  that you get a better night's sleep because of this really is very very [TS]

  questionable whether people find it more comfortable for their eyes though that [TS]

  that's completely subjective and I have friends who say all man i swear by this [TS]

  i love it i love i've been using flux for years on my max at night and I don't [TS]

  know how people work at night you know how you know I work hours and hours [TS]

  every night work late into the night and it's all thanks to flux that my eyes [TS]

  don't get hard i believe that but that doesn't mean you're getting a better [TS]

  night sleep it is now your eyes are less hard but if your eyes are less tired [TS]

  like certain other things made through its its correlation me personally I [TS]

  can't stand it i find that the color shifting is [TS]

  gross but it's also very subjective i just it i just find it very gross [TS]

  well I think whether or not you like the feature is one trying to get it whether [TS]

  you like that feature not call it night shift in iOS or flux on your Mac it is [TS]

  without question very very noticeable Perry whether you like it or not I just [TS]

  don't see how anybody could deny that it is a dramatic difference true tone on [TS]

  the other hand while it sounds like it's doing the same thing it sounds like it's [TS]

  a similar idea where it's taking sensors and color temperature and just shifting [TS]

  the color temperature in practice it is invisible when I think that you can hit [TS]

  the nail on the head in terms of the sensors because night shift to my [TS]

  knowledge is almost entirely it's geolocation and software-based yeah and [TS]

  the actual like the range of the tone that's entirely changeable and [TS]

  adjustable and settings so it really depends its user dependent where you [TS]

  have to go in and shift like how blue or how warm do you want to see your display [TS]

  at night whereas true tone takes all of that away it's like do you want it on or [TS]

  do you want it off and then just like it I keep finding out with true tone as I [TS]

  use this ipad pro more and more i keep thinking like wait I have to I keep [TS]

  thinking myself you have totally overblown this feature because there's [TS]

  an it's not doing anything right now here it is it's you know [TS]

  930 at night so it should be you know kicking in because the sun's down and [TS]

  i'm using incandescent lighting and I can just tell looking at the screen that [TS]

  this isn't doing anything at all and then I take any one of my other devices [TS]

  and look at it side-by-side sorry I'm like oh my god that is that is so [TS]

  disgusting [TS]

  it's crazy and you're like how was I staring with this blue piece of crap but [TS]

  the more that I use it the more I convinced myself that it's not doing [TS]

  anything at all until I look at any of my other devices that don't have it [TS]

  side-by-side as she just how weirdly off all the white you know all the colors [TS]

  are its it is a wonderful feature alright makes me it makes me so mad that [TS]

  they hadn't perfected in November because that would have looked so pretty [TS]

  on the 12.9 but I oh yeah that's that's the problem with releasing different [TS]

  sizes and different times they could have held the entire [TS]

  ipad pro launch until the spring um but because of this is probably where the [TS]

  recycle bites them and other things they wanted to launch the ipad pro in [TS]

  November so they launched what they had and the smaller ipad pro as a result get [TS]

  some of the the niceties it gets the pc three it gets the true tone display the [TS]

  camera features i honestly think is just a yeah we can fit in a 9.7 inch and [TS]

  there are people who are going to use their ipad pros cameras whether we tell [TS]

  them to or not and also on the perfect the professional film side there are [TS]

  cinematographers who say yeah a 9.7 inch screen is really nice for location [TS]

  scouting so it would be nice to have a 4k cameras like I get that I'm not too [TS]

  heartbroken about not having a 4k camera on my 12.9 inch I ipad but god do i wish [TS]

  i had to jump it soon as but it is a weird it's just again it's like you said [TS]

  i think you said it perfectly it's it's not like people have the 12.9 inch iPad [TS]

  pro are dying to have the better camera but it does seem weird now side-by-side [TS]

  that the cheaper smaller one has a better camera than the more expensive [TS]

  people [TS]

  yeah I means weird it is it is and it's probably component cheapness like [TS]

  component parts falling after new year or something else like that or they just [TS]

  didn't you know they couldn't fit it or the camera bump bottle my guess here's [TS]

  my guess is that it was either they couldn't get them in September or they [TS]

  just didn't want to take the chance because the it's the same camera system [TS]

  as the iphone 6s and 6s plus and that to make sure that they wouldn't hamper [TS]

  production of iphones they didn't want to put it and they just want to either [TS]

  they either they knew they couldn't get enough of them or that they just didn't [TS]

  want to take a chance of being a hiccup in the iphone supply chain i believe [TS]

  that especially pre-christmas it's just that it's a dangerous thing to have [TS]

  right because that first quarter is just it's crazy how high stakes it is for [TS]

  Apple because it's both the launch quarter and the holiday quarter [TS]

  oh yeah they I mean they crammed so much stuff in this past year and i thought i [TS]

  thought last year was a little bit crazy but but this year they really just like [TS]

  all right we got the phones we got the ipad we've got the appletv we're just [TS]

  gonna go we're gonna go we're gonna make it happen [TS]

  the other thing [TS]

  the 9.7 does not have and this is the the thing that I think ultimately will [TS]

  keep me from switching to it is the USBC quick charge was really nice being able [TS]

  to use USB 3 being able to take advantage of that quick charge because [TS]

  the 12 volt adapter like I mean granted i rarely charge my iPad except overnight [TS]

  so I don't get a huge amount of use out of it but on the days when i'm like i [TS]

  have cut audio audio and cut video on my iPad before and in those days i will [TS]

  bring like my you the new USBC charger that I just got which was strangely [TS]

  shipped alongside the 9.7 inch iPad but 9.7 inch iPad not not able to use it and [TS]

  that thing that thing actually charges like a laptop charger like it makes it [TS]

  makes the ipad actually have a have a charger that is functional whereas [TS]

  before like the 12 volt adapter trying to plug that into the 12.9 enjoy bed bro [TS]

  it's like okay if you're plugging this in while you're working on it you're [TS]

  gonna see your battery drop to $MONEY percent ya think it doesn't do anything [TS]

  right [TS]

  it's it's fake you really kind of have to just sit there and wait now and i [TS]

  find that it the ipads i do find one of the advantages of it and I i don't think [TS]

  that the battery life estimates really the the published tech specs for the [TS]

  battery life of these devices to me it it's misleading because i don't i get [TS]

  way more battery life out of an ipad then the specs would show compared to [TS]

  the Act book and I think it's simply the I think it's simply the basis that I [TS]

  actually I tend to run that stupid number of safari tabs at a time and i [TS]

  have a stupid number of apps that are open at a time and so there's just more [TS]

  going on as like a baseline cpu level on any of my macbook's compared to the ipad [TS]

  which enforces this sort of mostly one app at a time thing and you know like so [TS]

  far you can have a bunch of tabs open but only the frontmost tab actually is [TS]

  running anything i just get practically speaking if i start the day with a full [TS]

  charge [TS]

  I can't use the ipad enough to really run it down I just can't there's nothing [TS]

  I can seem to do and so I don't I'd sometimes I I wake up and I from its ok [TS]

  let's use this ipad pro because i want to write this review [TS]

  I realize I haven't even charged in two or three days and the batteries are [TS]

  functional right and the battery is kind of low because I just haven't plugged it [TS]

  in and days [TS]

  yeah which never ever happens with with other devices because it you just are [TS]

  vaguely aware that you know if you're doing a lot of work on a macbook you [TS]

  need to charge it at some point and same thing with an iphone throughout the day [TS]

  but you just don't accidentally go three or four days without charging your phone [TS]

  no because it just it wouldn't work or your Apple watch but with the ipad it's [TS]

  actually it's possible it's very possible [TS]

  yeah especially if you don't use it a hundred percent of this like the ipad [TS]

  pro if you're using it like you use a laptop it's pretty normal to kill it or [TS]

  kill like seventy-five percent of the battery on a on a full day as work but [TS]

  if you're just using it you know like you do where you're using the ipad for [TS]

  reading and maybe a little bit of writing and you're going on the go you [TS]

  can you can get like three or four days of charge of that thing that's crazy but [TS]

  it is true that the USB the super USBC charging on the ipad the big ipad pro is [TS]

  is a tremendous feature and once you've had it it's it's really it's one of its [TS]

  another one of those things where once you've had on one device it's really [TS]

  hard to go back to any of your other devices and accept the fact that it [TS]

  takes seemingly forever to charge him [TS]

  yeah yep and and yeah because I do i do like a lot of the 9.7 inch I iPads like [TS]

  that the true tone is so beautiful and I love by the way i love that it turns off [TS]

  whenever you go into a photo editing program yeah I'm so it automatically it [TS]

  automatically understands that which is pretty great but also i used an 11-inch [TS]

  macbook air for so long that I'm like nine point seven inches isn't really [TS]

  that much smaller I could totally do work and after two weeks on this I'm [TS]

  just like I just like then the 12.9 screen so much better for like physical [TS]

  like that the multitasking that just isn't the to ipad mini app side-by-side [TS]

  just doesn't work for me on the 9700 group [TS]

  well I don't it doesn't work as well because it doesn't feel as much the way [TS]

  that on the 12.9 it feels like two full safe and they're not quite full size but [TS]

  they feel like two full-size iPad side-by-side and [TS]

  that the smaller ipad you don't get that small ipad is is bicycling a pill if [TS]

  you're trying to multitask anyway long story short I think it's a tremendous it [TS]

  device and I think people's anger had it is misplaced and I think it's kind of [TS]

  fascinating how true it is stayed to the original iPad idea from 2010 yeah yeah [TS]

  and I said sometimes too it's a to its dismay i'm i'm really annoyed that that [TS]

  stupid facetime camera is still in portrait orientation especially given [TS]

  the ipad pro moniker where your kind of you know you're pitching it on the idea [TS]

  that you're probably going to use it in a keyboard case for a certain amount of [TS]

  time so if you ever use facetime or skype [TS]

  your video is often weird to the side it's like one of my love such a little [TS]

  pet peeve about the hardware but it's so irritating [TS]

  yeah it's I don't see what they have it that's a tough design problem though [TS]

  because other than putting a second facetime camera in at the other spot [TS]

  I don't know what else they could do yeah yeah it's I mean it's it's [TS]

  definitely it's difficult if you're assuming that people are going to want [TS]

  to use it in portrait and with the 97 I get that a little bit more because the [TS]

  97 is comfortable to use in portrait but the 12-9 is is so gargantuan in portrait [TS]

  but it just feels wrong to use it that way [TS]

  like it just doesn't it's not comfortable in any way shape or form and [TS]

  you die [TS]

  I don't know but yet but you're absolutely right it's like you put into [TS]

  cameras and then have extra space there do you kill the portrait orientation [TS]

  facetime camera and then make people who hold the 97 and portrait have an issue [TS]

  it goes back it again it's another thing that goes back to the originality [TS]

  well the original idea the original iPad had in prototypes had to 30 pin [TS]

  connectors one that's right [TS]

  slide 14 landscape and 14 portrait and it was decided so late in the game to [TS]

  get rid of it that the the coordinate system of the ipod was then called ipad [TS]

  OS was based on [TS]

  landscape as the default orientation even though the day ended up shipping it [TS]

  where the 30-pin connector was on the bottom because remember that will enter [TS]

  and again like an upcoming full circle the original iPad had a hardware [TS]

  keyboard accessory it was just instead of being like a cover it was actually [TS]

  like a little hard yeah ipad dock [TS]

  yeah and but you had to do you know the only way to mount it was to to put it in [TS]

  portrait which was little bit weird because you know I I'd you know as [TS]

  evidence by what they've ended up coming back to with the smart keyboard when you [TS]

  do have a keyboard attached it makes more sense to be in landscape [TS]

  yeah overall no I did it just feels more natural and yeah especially if you're [TS]

  multitasking because multitasking portrait just doesn't make sense right [TS]

  but it's just funny thing that they've that they've come back to but in the [TS]

  same way you can see why in theory you might want to have smart connectors on [TS]

  the bottom and the side but i can see why Apple but it didn't do that [TS]

  yeah I alright let's take a break before we move on to new topics and this is [TS]

  anything else you want talk about with ipad pro no I think everything I've [TS]

  gotten through most of it i encourage everybody to try pencils if they haven't [TS]

  already because I i do think it's really fun even if you don't think you're an [TS]

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  so what else is going on this week what else we got to try the iphone SE and I [TS]

  did I I don't have one but I i I've picked it up I have put it in my hand I [TS]

  put it in my pocket and I think I'm stuck with this 4.7 inch it sits nice [TS]

  and a lot of ways and I do really like the 4-inch screen but I i my my [TS]

  downgrade was going from the 6s plus to the success and i don't think i could go [TS]

  from the 6s plus all the way to the iphone SE so since i published my review [TS]

  i've noticed one new thing and I didn't notice it beforehand because of the way [TS]

  I think it's just the nature of the weather when i was writing my SE review [TS]

  but it's that an outside on a sunny day the extra contrast of the newer displays [TS]

  is noticeable really there when i was out the other day i'm still using the [TS]

  SES my main phone and wasn't super sunny but it was like a nice a nice April day [TS]

  in Philadelphia and I realized I couldn't read the phone and I was like [TS]

  wow that's weird because i know that if i had my success i could read it and I [TS]

  had to get the shade or something like that so I think the extra contrast it's [TS]

  it's harder to notice I to me indoors or not in the bright sunshine but and [TS]

  sunshine it it makes a difference [TS]

  yeah I can I can definitely see that and given given how often I strangely use my [TS]

  phone in sunshine despite not being somebody who goes outside hot [TS]

  yeah i don't know i have are our newest our newest employee and I'm or Lori [TS]

  guild just got she's been waiting two years for them to upgrade the 4 inch [TS]

  model and she just got an SE and she loves it she's like can't stop singing [TS]

  its praises yeah i hope that you know I hope they keep the size alone [TS]

  perhaps I don't I'd really really I'm did you know and i know i wrote about it [TS]

  and talked about everything I really am convinced that they're not going to have [TS]

  a 4-inch phone this sep tember but you know I just hope they keep it up-to-date [TS]

  enough that it seems relevant for people who prefer yeah i mean i wouldn't even [TS]

  mind if they kept it on a march schedule right as a like maybe 30 million people [TS]

  is still a lot quite a lot of buyers and 30 million people continue to buy this [TS]

  is kind of there [TS]

  again there are pseudo low-cost iPhone where it's not quite an an iphone you [TS]

  know 66 e but it's it's an option for people who want to slightly cheaper [TS]

  iPhone that has maybe like six months ago our internals but also the 24 inch [TS]

  form factor a lot of a lot of really good stuff on the camera like it is [TS]

  really the fact that they have all the camera features while most of the camera [TS]

  features plugged into the forage screen like that's it's a really nice device if [TS]

  you want something small and portable to run around and take photos with I find [TS]

  it I really do find it using it as a camera and it's one of the things I knew [TS]

  this but going back it's like the same way that like whenever you get a faster [TS]

  iphone you know that it's faster but sometimes the best way to actually feel [TS]

  how much faster it is give it a couple weeks and then go back to your older [TS]

  phone and the going to the slower one actually shows you how much faster the [TS]

  new one is then using the faster one because you get used to the fastest of [TS]

  the fast one and two me the grip ability of the of the device especially when [TS]

  used as a camera just don't just the way i tend to hold the phone i'm taking [TS]

  pictures [TS]

  it feels so much more secure in my hands than the the round sided success form [TS]

  factor i really hope that someone and apples design team maybe Johnny but some [TS]

  either someone in his team I don't know takes a look at how many people are [TS]

  praising the fact that they're going they went back to the 5s form factor and [TS]

  really takes a good hard look about what the iphone 7 shape is gonna look like [TS]

  because like i have not used any of the six success series phones without a case [TS]

  I just can't I can't do it because i shattered three of like it just does not [TS]

  fit like this it's a beautiful device like I have the success and rose gold [TS]

  right now and it's i wish i could use it without a case but it it just does not [TS]

  like it'll slide out of my hand I wouldn't want i would love to know [TS]

  because you know Apple knows this [TS]

  oh yeah is exactly what percentage of these devices have been dropped at least [TS]

  have been dropped such that they require [TS]

  that's the repair right or ordered even just brought in [TS]

  maybe you know maybe it's like a minor crack or scratch or something and then [TS]

  when the persons told what it costs they choose not to do it but at least [TS]

  registers as a this person dropped their phone not i cannot help but think that [TS]

  the number of people who dropped their success and success pluses crater and [TS]

  maybe as part of that is just because it's bigger but I can't help but think [TS]

  that's part of it is because of the round sides [TS]

  oh yeah super cynic in me is like Apple wanted to sell more applecare+ that like [TS]

  all right let's just go to this this design factor because it's gotta be it's [TS]

  gotta be in like twenty thirty percent right i mean maybe not people who [TS]

  actually get it repaired but I you know i'm i'm pretty careful with my phones I [TS]

  don't you know bring them across the room and I generally try and you know [TS]

  keep them free of scratches because I gotta take pictures of them but I'm [TS]

  careful and I dropped my phone you know probably three feet and had it shatter [TS]

  into a million pieces so i don't know i'm i'm i'm really keep my track record [TS]

  is that I've never want but i haven't bought apple care for any need any [TS]

  device since my original my first mac i ever bought in 1991 [TS]

  wow I haven't I just don't buy applecare and at this point i mean i've saved so [TS]

  much money by not buying apple care for anything that you know I I could I could [TS]

  buy like a even like a brand new macbook pro and have it go completely dead as [TS]

  soon as the day after the you know that the one-year warranty goes up and still [TS]

  be ahead because of all the money i haven't spent on applecare with so i'm [TS]

  just not a believer in because I take could try to be careful [TS]

  maybe I've just had good luck with not getting lemons and with iphones i I've [TS]

  had a couple of drops over the years and I remember one time with my original [TS]

  iphone i had a drop it was gonna it was going to hit like a cement floor and I [TS]

  shot my right foot out and kinda didn't quite catch it with my foot but it like [TS]

  almost caught it with my foot such that it then only dropped about like four [TS]

  inches onto the sidewalk and it was like completely unscathed and I was like wow [TS]

  that was [TS]

  very lucky that was very live as a lot more lucky than coordinated with my [TS]

  level of coordination it was pretty good so I had no no screen breakage is one [TS]

  time with the original phone almost it seemed like I was destined to but it [TS]

  didn't so I I've had the iphone the iphone 3g 3gs 4 4 s 4 5 & 5s and up into [TS]

  that . had never once broken the screen the worst I'd ever gotten was everyone [TS]

  always seem to develop a scratch on the screen at some point and i never once [TS]

  did I ever remember like when that happened it was just be like one day in [TS]

  certain lighting I would notice like a very fine scratch and I would be very [TS]

  sad but certainly I've never once had a scratch that i would even consider going [TS]

  in and paying you know whatever the prices were to get a new screen [TS]

  yeah um and then when i had the iphone 6 within like the first three months of [TS]

  owning it i had two times where i dropped it and the screen cracked [TS]

  yep it's just hit those corners are a really hard to grip and be prone to [TS]

  breaking because of that slightly wrapped glass it just doesn't it's [TS]

  beautiful in a beautiful in a conference room beautiful in a sealed factory not [TS]

  so great when there's hardwood and concrete wherever you go you know and so [TS]

  part of it might just be locked but it just seemed to me like having it [TS]

  happened twice and then you know now that was a year ago and then i've been [TS]

  using for the most part since then the same size phone either that that iphone [TS]

  6 or the you know in the last six months my success and haven't dropped that but [TS]

  i think i have to be more on i feel like i have two it's because i'm more [TS]

  conscious of how conscientious may be the better word of how I'm holding the [TS]

  phone [TS]

  yeah after to screen breaks you can I you have to adjust your your usability [TS]

  right and one time I did it it was i was really was i was framing a photograph [TS]

  and it just slipped adding and how it slipped out of my hand just slipped [TS]

  right out of my hands like a bar soap and just fell straight down onto a [TS]

  carpeted floor and and there's again a store [TS]

  and I thought is fine it's carpeted floor picked up no totally shattered [TS]

  that's that's the worst but I couldn't believe it that it wasn't like I [TS]

  butter-fingered it it wasn't like I butter-fingered taking out of my pocket [TS]

  or something or while you were holding I was holding it and framing a photograph [TS]

  and as I tried to move my thumb to take the thing it just went shoe never ever [TS]

  happened with any previous iphone oh my gosh [TS]

  yep I yeah so I'm i am pro different form factor as pretty as this is I would [TS]

  really like to not wrap my phone and a giant case [TS]

  oh you know what i've been using that i've been using the Apple battery case [TS]

  on the success because I i was a little worried going back from my success plus [TS]

  that the the lack of battery life was going to kill me and and I actually [TS]

  really [TS]

  aside from the fact that it's white I hate the fact that the battery cases [TS]

  white but I actually kind of like this this feels really good in the hand and [TS]

  I'm kind of shocked by that it gives you I'm telling every and I I said it and [TS]

  everybody you know and I think Marco set it on his podcast recently the the way [TS]

  that you can rest your pinkies on the back of the hump always so nice it's [TS]

  very very nice [TS]

  it's actually it's a very strange-looking thing but in hand [TS]

  actually feels very nice [TS]

  yeah and honestly you know you don't really see the hump because the hump is [TS]

  usually in your hand you know you're not you're not usually laying it out for [TS]

  people to enjoy the fact that you have a little credit card sized battery [TS]

  attached to the back of your case it's actually an interesting contrast with [TS]

  our did earlier discussion of the apple TV remote which is designed seemingly [TS]

  only to appeal visually and and in hand as a lot of problems to tattoo that we [TS]

  can go on at length again about whereas the Apple battery case absolutely [TS]

  positively looks a little funny but i think is designed very practically to be [TS]

  both useful and the pretty pleasant to hold yeah it's wonderfully in the hand [TS]

  and has a lot of design perks that I you know that I've used battery cases on and [TS]

  offer covering shows and going to disneyland in various places for four [TS]

  years and this is by far the easiest better [TS]

  the case I've ever had to use mostly because i never have to take it out of [TS]

  the case and even if I do it's pretty easy with the slip out so I know we will [TS]

  you probably talked about this like six months ago when it came out in the first [TS]

  place but as somebody who has only been using it for a couple weeks I'm I'm [TS]

  really kinda thrilled about it [TS]

  yeah i'm curious whether how well it's going because who will they keep doing [TS]

  them [TS]

  ya feel like if they do I feel like the schedule will stay the same where if [TS]

  they come out with new iphones in September they're not going to come out [TS]

  with the battery case until like November because they don't want the pr [TS]

  of apples shipping a phone that needs a battery it needs the viet needs the case [TS]

  and I wouldn't say for the average user I don't think the iphone does need a [TS]

  battery case it's just you know for people like you and but it looks bad [TS]

  right now exactly exactly and and also our Indian just you know spacing all of [TS]

  that out but yeah you don't you don't want the negative press associated with [TS]

  that I hope if they do release another battery case they also considered doing [TS]

  colors besides just stark white and I don't get open space gray or whatever [TS]

  they call it [TS]

  yeah exactly whatever whatever slate gray because you have this beautiful [TS]

  rose gold iPhone and i would love to actually put in a case that reflects it [TS]

  to internal personality right now it just looks like it's in a don't know [TS]

  crazy ward [TS]

  I feel like it's wearing a straitjacket right to help i think there's a sort of [TS]

  a very stormtrooper look [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah I see that actually very light isn't necessarily what everybody [TS]

  wants on their know exactly it's like now i wish i had a space gray case [TS]

  because then I could at least call the phone Finn and I would be amused myself [TS]

  but alright let me take one last break and then we'll go with the Stormtrooper [TS]

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  alright so here at serenity i'm going to complain because you guys did who is on [TS]

  this podcast you guys did like a 90 minute podcast about a 90 second movie [TS]

  trailer that's not even the first one we've done is that it was me siracusa [TS]

  Dannemora and Jason that's ridiculous I know we did the same thing for force [TS]

  awakens I think the force awakens like 60 second teaser and we did at least 90 [TS]

  minutes on it all right I'm I have kept my mouth shut on Twitter [TS]

  about this but I'm going to come out and I did not like the trailer for robot one [TS]

  really alright so why why did you not like the trailer I'm curious [TS]

  ah i thought that it was it felt like what my concern ever since they've [TS]

  announced the star wars stories and for anybody who's not paying close attention [TS]

  that just is this is not the next movie in the the new trilogy after the force [TS]

  awakens it's a standalone movie even takes place in a different here it takes [TS]

  place before like between the two older trilogies so it's like what is it like [TS]

  five years before Star Wars a new hope it's like when the first Death Star is [TS]

  being built with some yeah it sometime probably hidalgo is the story supervisor [TS]

  at Lucasfilm was like it is sometime in the 30 years between the end of episode [TS]

  three and the start of episode 4 i'm like great thanks that's really helpful [TS]

  i I just felt like the trailer felt like what I was worried that it would be [TS]

  which is like a lesser purposefully lesser star wars movie that just didn't [TS]

  feel like it had any kind of grand or as much there's one shot of the death star [TS]

  that to me add some grandeur to it but for the most part it looked more like a [TS]

  generic action sci-fi movie than a Star Wars movie and I felt like it was cut [TS]

  way too quick like cut you know one second shot one second shot one second [TS]

  shot [TS]

  cut cut cut frenetic and then it's over phonetic is the right is the right verb [TS]

  for this is that it does it does feel very much much more energetic than what [TS]

  you think of his traditional star wars trailers like you think about even the [TS]

  force awakens trailer or any of the original trailers is that the long [TS]

  sweeping shot of tatooine right or the the the longshot of of you know ray and [TS]

  her garb or I thought like in the force awakens trailer which I thought was a [TS]

  great trailer I the one shot that to me made the trailer was the shot on jakku [TS]

  it's a real long shot of a Star Destroyer artists were that's crashed in [TS]

  the planet for in seemingly for a long time I had that as my background on my [TS]

  computer for a long [TS]

  I'm because it's a beautiful shot yeah beautiful shot but it also to me has [TS]

  like this very star wars in this to it which is it there's clear it clearly a [TS]

  lot of backstory that you don't know there's something you know because [TS]

  obviously there's a massive star destroyer crashed on a desert planet is [TS]

  this time happened yeah are we on Tatooine again are we somewhere else you [TS]

  don't know but there's obviously something happened where is there's [TS]

  nothing in the road one trailer that makes me wonder why what happened there [TS]

  that there's some kind of crazy backstory here [TS]

  yeah so I have to ask you to have you watched Star Wars rebels the cg cartoon [TS]

  yes in fact by a jonas and i just finished catching up [TS]

  lation Ali oh my gosh alright well we'll save that I feel like that's way too [TS]

  spoilery but am well big is there something you want to say that's not [TS]

  spoilery about well yes so we'll sort of pseudo spoilery just more that I when i [TS]

  watch the road one trailer my first impression was a lot of these scenes [TS]

  seem like exact real worlds like let me let me take all of the shots and staging [TS]

  that I've done with Star Wars rebels and let me put it in a live-action movie [TS]

  like some of those marketplace scenes the scenes where uh where I think your [TS]

  name is Jin the the protagonist for rogue one is like running through and [TS]

  kicking around stormtroopers and I'm like this this literally feels like a [TS]

  scene with Sabine from Star Wars rebels where and then the whole trailer kind of [TS]

  feels like that where rebels rebels and clone wars before it to me aren't really [TS]

  they don't seem focused on the Star Wars grand you're right it's not if these are [TS]

  more telling like very quick standalone slight not even slice of life stories [TS]

  but slice of Star Wars I guess where they just kind of drop you right in the [TS]

  middle of the action and they're just like all right go you there's there's [TS]

  some stuff you know some backstory that's helpful to know but it's not [TS]

  really about building you know it's not about telling the grands Joseph Campbell [TS]

  story it's about here here's this you know this specific action in the [TS]

  specific thing that's happening to these people who happen to exist in this [TS]

  larger world and that's kind of the the vibe that I got from the road one [TS]

  trailer is it's very much [TS]

  it jumps you right into the fact where it's like you either [TS]

  know where this is where this is what's happening and you know what [TS]

  what the adults are and you know what that lady with short red hair is and [TS]

  what her you know overwhelming significance is to the the greater star [TS]

  wars universe or you don't and I don't know it's I I understand where you where [TS]

  you're coming from about the you know it doesn't it doesn't have the grandeur of [TS]

  a of a star wars star wars trailer or even feel so much like your traditional [TS]

  star wars movie it's it's a very gritty sort of down in the dirt version of it [TS]

  and i also feel like it just doesn't I don't know to me like a teaser trailer [TS]

  is supposed to show you last but make it more i don't know i don't i did I just [TS]

  feel like that cut cut cut style and I don't think that the movie is going to [TS]

  be like that I certainly hope not [TS]

  no but i don't know i feel like i like it like for first teaser I'd rather just [TS]

  have it be one cool shot but for the whole teaser and that's it and then as [TS]

  opposed to the kind of went the opposite way and try to show like a ton of stuff [TS]

  yeah they shouldn't so this is this is something that's interesting to me in [TS]

  that based this I mean this is the first visual we've really seen of rogue one in [TS]

  about a year because last year we saw that that teaser one sheet of like them [TS]

  the the group standing together and based on everything I've read up about [TS]

  rogue one up until the point where the teaser trailer was released my my [TS]

  inclination was this was going to be oceans 11 and star wars are was where it [TS]

  was supposed to be a heist movie right where it's basically like she gets the [TS]

  team together and they build up everybody and then they go in and they [TS]

  might have to go undercover and it's not necessarily like jokey oceans 11 but [TS]

  it's that it's the same kind of beat and style and then this teaser trailer comes [TS]

  out and the teaser trailer is almost the exact opposite of what i would expect [TS]

  from a heist movie right you think you think about teaser trailers for heist [TS]

  movies right [TS]

  you think about even any of the mission impossible trailers um where if I look [TS]

  carefully at the trailer you can kind of spot scenes or it's like oh this [TS]

  is from the place where they're getting the gang together and here's where [TS]

  they're probably have to go undercover and you're running from Imperial yeah [TS]

  here's where they're breaking into the unbreakable safe [TS]

  yeah exactly exactly but it's but it's told in such a different way and i'm [TS]

  curious about that i'm curious if it actually is a heist movie and they're [TS]

  just their teeth right now the tease is really were just teasing you about our [TS]

  main character and it's not even so much about the movie and that's part of the [TS]

  reason of the cut is that our main character is you know our protagonists [TS]

  is a fast-paced like I'm gonna you know either get into scrapes and be around [TS]

  explosions and end up in a cross between inquisitors uniform and a TIE fighter my [TS]

  outfit at some point I don't know it's it's interesting to me what kind of [TS]

  story they're trying to tell and also i have lots of questions about the main [TS]

  character herself and how these standalone stories are supposed to fit [TS]

  into the start of the greater star wars universe because i've had people argue [TS]

  on on both sides right I've had people argue [TS]

  oh well these are supposed to be entirely separate and they're really [TS]

  more like you know dives into backstory and they don't involve the main the main [TS]

  plot at all but but then I look at the other standalone stories they have you [TS]

  know slotted they've got the young soul of movie [TS]

  well don't I'm like started oh I know I know I know but but my thought is well [TS]

  if they're going to tell these standalone stories that you know may or [TS]

  may not revolve around major characters what's to say that whatever happens in [TS]

  this movie know it may not [TS]

  you know directly be an installment of the force awakens sort of trilogy but [TS]

  i'm i'm not entirely unconvinced that there's their stuff that's gonna happen [TS]

  into this in this movie that's going to be very important in episode 8 episode 9 [TS]

  not necessarily on a grand scale but you know stuff there's there's all kinds of [TS]

  potential theories there and I feel like we would take three hours trying to [TS]

  discuss them all because we took two hours uncomfortable i love the idea of [TS]

  calling it like Ocean's eleven in the star wars universe is exactly i if [TS]

  that's what it turns out being even in some small just in a general direction [TS]

  that would make me very happy i think the trailer certainly doesn't suggest [TS]

  that no trailer makes it seem like it's and I don't know that I hope it's not i [TS]

  just think i $FULLPHONENUM i just worry that there is a sort of that the trailer [TS]

  is the teaser that we got is the result of a dysfunctional executive leadership [TS]

  at the new Lucasfilm in disney that it's less about making a super awesome [TS]

  trailer that that take star wars in the new direction and more about wait we [TS]

  just made this great hit movie let's just make the most generic Star Wars [TS]

  trailer we could do the footage we have because we you know we don't want to [TS]

  take any risks at all that I guess is to me what I i found a little disappointing [TS]

  in this is it to me it didn't seem like they took any risks at all other than [TS]

  the i will admit that the the although it to me it only continues a direction [TS]

  they started with the force awakens were clearly the protagonist is a woman not a [TS]

  man which is a significant change from traditional action movies and from the [TS]

  previous [TS]

  previous [TS]

  our Wars movies but I would almost say that that's after of the force awakens [TS]

  that's a lot less e they don't even get as much credit for the risk because I [TS]

  feel like that risk was already taken in the force awakens [TS]

  mhm well they're continuing a story I have a lot of faith in Kathleen Kennedy [TS]

  just as a as the head of Lucasfilm and her ability to put together a good team [TS]

  but there is there is a minor worry on my part about what road one is going to [TS]

  look like because we think about traditional star wars trailers and [TS]

  traditional Star Wars movies right [TS]

  your first trailer usually comes about a year out like I would have expected to [TS]

  see the teaser attached to the force awakens right or it maybe even not a [TS]

  launch but like six weeks into the force awakens come see it again and now the [TS]

  robo-one teaser will be attached right family should hire you spread to do that [TS]

  that's genius that would have gotten by its good marketing right I don't go a [TS]

  second time just to see the 32nd 60-second spot up but if you think about [TS]

  traditional like medium budget movies a trailer of its first teaser six months [TS]

  out is not an unusual thing but for a Star Wars movie to not have a teaser [TS]

  until six months out it's it's almost crazy it's like this is your first [TS]

  trailer and you're still probably gonna have like another teaser and a couple [TS]

  full-length trailers like you're getting really close to the wire and i'm not [TS]

  sure if that's intentional on their part that they don't want to take they don't [TS]

  want to pull too much focus away from the big the big movies the trilogy [TS]

  movies or whether there were some issues with rogue one where they had to do some [TS]

  innocent post-production story editing or things like that [TS]

  I've been a little worried hearing like with the radio silence around it that it [TS]

  is it was like a story problem but I don't know I really don't like that's [TS]

  that's the that's the thing right now is we have this one trailer and the [TS]

  original description of Road one and that one sheet and that's all we know [TS]

  about this movie and I i want to be tentatively excited because I the [TS]

  potential even if the trailer you know the trailer i think is some somewhat [TS]

  star wars and somewhat very not star wars in that the the visuals are all [TS]

  right too [TS]

  the quick cutting may not be your style and it's not quite star wars style [TS]

  either but the visuals look great [TS]

  the brief moment of characterization that we have from basically gin and mon [TS]

  mothma are really the only people who get more than a line or two in this and [TS]

  and a force Twitter wickers crazy character with the breathing apparatus [TS]

  I what's with all the rest between mrs. i'm so curious [TS]

  well lots and lots of desert planets John I feel I feel like there's probably [TS]

  some some issues with health there are like they don't show it but everybody in [TS]

  the star wars universe smokes [TS]

  yeah exactly they just don't show it on that's how you can get deal with the [TS]

  hazards of space vaping oh god um yeah I don't know jen is really interesting to [TS]

  me as a character i talked about it a little bit on on the incomparable [TS]

  podcast but I i'm really curious if they're going to tie her into the main [TS]

  story like does she died before episode [TS]

  she's not she's obviously not in the rebels hanger like she's she's not [TS]

  around and i don't know if you read any of the extended universe books but like [TS]

  one of my thoughts was well are they going to do a Mara Jade style thing [TS]

  where this you know this basically one of the prominent badass lady characters [TS]

  in the extended unit first books was was a character who you know was kind of a [TS]

  very gray for a long time and that the the possibility of telling a story like [TS]

  a Star Wars story that's not light side and a dark side that is like that [TS]

  centers around a great character that that part really excites me and that's [TS]

  kind of what the trailer seem to be flirting with was the idea of like yeah [TS]

  we're not we're not going to tell us a story about a grand arcade and Joseph [TS]

  Campbell story we're going to tell a story about like the people who have to [TS]

  make the hard decisions who aren't you know who don't always get to stand on [TS]

  the side of light or the side of dark and no it's okay i'm excited [TS]

  I it's I I see where you're hesitant and I see where you're concerned but i'm [TS]

  also i'm still kind of like there are a lot of potential good things here it [TS]

  doesn't make me pesum it makes me a little bit more pessimistic than it was [TS]

  but I was already kind of pessimistic about the move [TS]

  but it did think that it's just disappointing because to me it wasn't a [TS]

  great trailer to me a great trailer makes me similar to say i want to see [TS]

  that movie today and rode one trailer did not do that for me at all it just [TS]

  kind of gave me and I can wait [TS]

  yeah I really like trailer alright alright well that's why you know and [TS]

  have is good to have different exactly exactly exactly i know yeah I feel like [TS]

  you're allowed to not like the trailer and I'm allowed to like the trailer and [TS]

  I hope that the first real trailer is a little bit less cuddy i'm in part [TS]

  because you know they have all there's a lot of really pretty really pretty [TS]

  scenes that look like they were being shot in the half a second that we got [TS]

  did you think it was weird that the death star seemed fully constructed I [TS]

  mean I didn't show it in a long shot they only showed like they should like [TS]

  the dish put in so who knows maybe if you pull back and where it's you know [TS]

  good yeah there might still be like the bits and pieces we've seen in progress [TS]

  death stars before right [TS]

  well I want and that makes me wonder how close are we to a new hope right because [TS]

  in a new hope the death star like the best star was close to fully operational [TS]

  holiday was flying between planets it was shooting things so it may have just [TS]

  been one of those things where everything was built safe for the firing [TS]

  dish or maybe they have to replace the firing wish I don't know there's there's [TS]

  so many so many opportunities for antics yeah all right anything you want to talk [TS]

  about this week [TS]

  hi you know what no I yeah I feel like we've we've covered we've covered good [TS]

  things I'm oh I actually I saw speaking of Star Wars to close down Star Wars I [TS]

  am i watch The Force awakens uh that behind-the-scenes documentary that was [TS]

  included with the with the itunes extras because of course force awakens is on [TS]

  dvd/blu-ray itunes etc everywhere in the US and I think the UK gets it later this [TS]

  week and that was really awesome [TS]

  I just like good good documentary overall but the highlight of it is they [TS]

  show on they have a scene of like oh you know Harrison Ford is entering our model [TS]

  of the millennium falcon for the first time and they there in the documentary [TS]

  they they clip or they could cut between finished clips of the movie and then the [TS]

  behind-the-scenes of one this is [TS]

  all happening I and there's just this really nice moment where you start on [TS]

  the the actual scene of Han like walking into the the cockpit of the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon and doing the the smile and the self-satisfied like we're finally here [TS]

  and then you cut to the behind-the-scenes and you see him out of [TS]

  frame he's pulled up [TS]

  he's pulled two tiny little dice from his pocket and he hangs them up on one [TS]

  of the like higher switches in the Millennium Falcon's cockpit is just like [TS]

  not big fuzzy dice like miniature versions of tiny fuzzy dice and hangs [TS]

  them and that he sits down and smiles that I'm just like this is that's that's [TS]

  the true heart of Star Wars right there [TS]

  I personally wanted their word tiny little non fuzzy dice in the new hope I [TS]

  think yeah I think that's all back to that exactly i think i think he's been [TS]

  carrying around those tiny fuzzy dice for like 40 years and just brought it [TS]

  back alright i have not watched it on home video yet i've been saving it [TS]

  we still have a lot of contention in our household over over what happened that's [TS]

  all [TS]

  oh oh oh yeah I i understand that that was very good [TS]

  we watched it last night for for Rick's birthday and it was definitely a it was [TS]

  definitely a contentious seen even the dogs don't like it [TS]

  oh yeah you did the thing where you watch with vba to write i did i did i [TS]

  watched i watched bits and pieces with the with its it that's that right gets [TS]

  so chatty it's it's really funny to do it not as a like I wouldn't suggest [TS]

  doing it if you really want to pay attention to the movie but if you want [TS]

  to get a kick and while having it on in the background [TS]

  bb-8 will talk pretty much non-stop about any scene that has him in it [TS]

  anything that has pode amber and it or anytime the characters make what [TS]

  bb-8 thinks is a stupid decision you'll hear no no no landed and shake his [TS]

  little head [TS]

  super cute it's a pretty cool feature so anyway I'd long story short as if you [TS]

  have that little BBA toy that you can drive with your with your iphone if you [TS]

  watch the movie with that toy the bb-8 watches along with you in reacts its [TS]

  duplicate you have to have the bb-8 in its base because the battery and you [TS]

  have to have your phone plugged in [TS]

  and the app open which is like the dumb part but still pretty fun them all right [TS]

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