The Talk Show

143: ‘A Squirrel Eating a Duck’, With Special Guest Merlin Mann

 

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  I'm really great I'm great mood [TS]

  you're kidding i'm going to particularly good mood so glad you're not worried [TS]

  you're talking about the snowpocalypse right yeah right [TS]

  the general Nass trophy yeah it's just what do they call winter storm Jonas [TS]

  which is it obviously a big point of conversation here to here at the [TS]

  riverhouse home Jonas's is is a bit impressed he's excited easy he's like a [TS]

  hashtag on twitter down so he's very excited about that your son is trending [TS]

  but he's he is he's disappointed and slightly embarrassed by the fact that [TS]

  this is a big storm that is that is coming on a friday night which is the [TS]

  worst possible time for a storm to hit in terms of maybe getting a day off of [TS]

  school I could not could not possibly be worse [TS]

  I'm like there was no note note conversation whatsoever about canceling [TS]

  school today in advance of the snowstorm because they are so certain of one it [TS]

  that is not going to come until this evening that there was no need to cancel [TS]

  school in pants at this point science is working against children because when we [TS]

  were younger we did not have this kind of technology to know we had a rough [TS]

  idea of what kind of thing would happen like any given week you know and also i [TS]

  don't think there's that as much concern for like makeup days like I feel like [TS]

  when I was a kid you don't get into the makeup days if you had like five around [TS]

  10 snow days and now a date today everything was on such a tight schedule [TS]

  right like maybe maybe they go back after a bunch of snow days they'd assign [TS]

  one of the school secretaries hey go back and count just how many days we've [TS]

  had school you know we should probably write that down [TS]

  okay somebody go Louise can you can check that out for us now I'm excited [TS]

  here's why I mean I'm not excited but I'm excited about the snow but i'm happy [TS]

  i'm in a good mood because i was i look up terribly sick one on Wednesday and [TS]

  just just felt almost dead and then I felt a little better but still [TS]

  definitely sick yesterday and today is the day where I feel I still feel I'm [TS]

  not like good I'm you know like but I'm on the upswing and I do [TS]

  me that's it's the best it's better better than being a hundred percent [TS]

  health is that day after you've you've had a bug for a couple of days where you [TS]

  feel like I've you know I woke up feeling good day especially when you [TS]

  have like up especially especially when you have a long cold and you know maybe [TS]

  you're just starting the coughing phase or something you know that kind of late [TS]

  and but that day you stop getting worse is such a good day the first day we were [TS]

  like a god i might survive this I you know you told me about that yesterday [TS]

  and i have to say you sound way better than I expected that i was thinking like [TS]

  you're sick Marcus sick [TS]

  Dan's had some kind of crazy likes stomach bug like there's something I was [TS]

  kind of just sitting you know when you're waking up and get paranoid i was [TS]

  waking up and I was just thinking about like how many people I know are sick [TS]

  right now is this a big east coast thing is this my they say there's like this [TS]

  killer flu that's going around these guys well I want to ask you about this i [TS]

  want to get your medical advice honestly yeah I love to help is that I i think i [TS]

  had the flu and Amy tells me no way did you have the flu because nobody shakes [TS]

  the flew off and 48 hours so you obviously didn't have the flu you have a [TS]

  cold but I know what a cold is like for me a cold is entirely in my head and my [TS]

  throat [TS]

  it is in my nose it's in my my forehead [TS]

  sometimes it's like pressure in my eyes and it's always in my throat [TS]

  this was a whole body this is what happened i went to a tuesday night i [TS]

  felt perfect i felt a hundred percent healthy went to bed woke up Wednesday [TS]

  morning and I felt horrible [TS]

  I mean just that I was like I think i'm sick or something and my whole body felt [TS]

  like maybe I had signed up for the gym the day before and and decided i would [TS]

  do everything we had the overall like body soreness and heaviness all without [TS]

  I mean real real I mean like my legs hurt I felt like I I was you know maybe [TS]

  I put on a hundred pounds and my legs weren't suited to to carry this much [TS]

  weight up and down the stairs [TS]

  my arms hurt everything that was you know it it and muscle ache you know like [TS]

  like I had gone to the gym at you know that [TS]

  and worked out after never having lifted weights in my life and and overall every [TS]

  muscle in my body hurt ya headache [TS]

  clearly i felt like i had a fever I always sensed it to me or not a cold [TS]

  that I think that's the flu [TS]

  mhm I mean what are the other options i mean what it would have a call me maybe [TS]

  you got a differential differential diagnosis [TS]

  mmm yeah no I is funny to say like for me I totally agree [TS]

  I at like if something starts for me and always starts with an A [TS]

  oh and uh oh I get a cold it's usually like oh my throat doesn't hurt [TS]

  exactly but my throat feels weird that's the first thing is like swallowing [TS]

  doesn't hurt exactly but I noticed swallowing that's the first 0 red flag [TS]

  but what you're describing is something really similar maybe a month and a half [TS]

  ago maybe a little longer and I woke up and I was like oh I'm getting the flu [TS]

  I'm definitely getting the flu and this is gonna go out maybe like a Saturday or [TS]

  something or friday anyway and then the thing was it kinda presented as being [TS]

  flu-like I didn't have any of the you know the tiny stuff but i had i did feel [TS]

  like really heavy really tired and then it turned into what felt like a minute [TS]

  look within a day and felt like I was getting over a cold within a day so I [TS]

  wonder if there's some kind of a new hybrid cold flu that might be out there [TS]

  and I think that sometimes you can get lucky and get a mild case of the flu [TS]

  like I realized that if you really get whacked right right square you know [TS]

  right now it's not right in the bullseye by the moving you're down for like two [TS]

  weeks and that's that's terrible it's been years since I've had something like [TS]

  this but this is clearly not a cold you really understand the difference [TS]

  not really i don't either I i say that are you say something so we [TS]

  self-diagnosed like I self-diagnose you can get like ants can get a little cold [TS]

  or or you go like oh man I'm coming down with the flu are you going yeah if I got [TS]

  a 24-hour bug I don't know any of that actually it's what I do with my daughter [TS]

  to was my daughter [TS]

  I'm the house shaman like I'm the one who tries to predict like how much this [TS]

  is going to destroy as you know as soon as a kid seconds you know game over [TS]

  everybody will get sick and it's going to be the worst and so i'll go like okay [TS]

  with my my rattles in my headdress and my beads and i'll be like me [TS]

  hmm Eleanor will be fine in by sunday afternoon i'll make a pronouncement it's [TS]

  really right but then sometimes it is just weird I feel like colds and flus [TS]

  are changing i feel like it used to be you knew how long you're gonna get sick [TS]

  i think something has mutated and it's changing it might be the water it could [TS]

  be meets but I think stuff is changing for when i was a kid i I've always felt [TS]

  like it's at the difference between the two things it's you know it's all [TS]

  nebulous to me it's a lot of the symptoms overlap but i did I googled it [TS]

  again and you know Here I am looking to get inside think about it [TS]

  yeah google it I mean there's no better way to get expert medical advice but [TS]

  there's like a checklist on the WebMD and they're like a cold you know often [TS]

  comes on slowly you know you like you said you get that heads up you you have [TS]

  that day we were like oh my god I think feel like there's a fifty percent chance [TS]

  I'm gonna be sick and shit you feel you getting like twenty percent you're [TS]

  getting like eight percent worse every hour like fairly consistently you know [TS]

  what I'll tell you what a big telltale sign of a cold from his big telltale [TS]

  sign like the 24 hour advance notice like Here I am [TS]

  wake up field five note no suspicions no warning flags whatever I make some [TS]

  coffee i'm reading some new seen what happened overnight and then I take the [TS]

  first sip of coffee and tastes like shit like a terrible like how can anybody [TS]

  drink this and then I think that I and then I quick-like run through that i did [TS]

  i make it wrong that I not put enough beans in and then I think oh shit i'm [TS]

  going you know what it is buddy you know what it is i'm getting set your exactly [TS]

  you're ignoring it you're trying to throw yourself off the scent but that's [TS]

  probably as scientists we can look at this and say that's probably a little [TS]

  bit about sent it's got to have to do with your sense of smell it might have [TS]

  to do with like your throat not feeling so good but your body is telling you [TS]

  you're gonna get sick buddy [TS]

  yeah and it's like something my tongue you know any other thing in in advance [TS]

  is it something acidic like orange juice will will start stinging the back of my [TS]

  throat like I don't have a sore throat yet but like something acidic like [TS]

  orange juice does it doesn't go down doesn't it isn't pleasurable as I [TS]

  swallow and that's to me is like who the next day [TS]

  see and that they say that's a cold that called you have advanced warning and a [TS]

  cold [TS]

  seldom has a fever seldom has a headache and I I had a terrible fever i would I [TS]

  didn't take a measurement of it I don't have a thermometer i would estimate my [TS]

  fever on on Wednesday and an overnight going in tomorrow I would estimated [TS]

  around $MONEY hundred and seven [TS]

  oh that's pretty high [TS]

  well I well I tell you what I'd but I think the reason I felt started feeling [TS]

  better yesterday I think I sweated it out [TS]

  I think I sweated this flew out of my body because I'll tell you what I woke [TS]

  up I woke up yesterday morning and it was like I was like a grease-stained [TS]

  every single thing you're mentioning I don't know if there's any basis in [TS]

  science or medicine for describing but I thought all of those things when I was a [TS]

  little kid he had a fever you had to stay in bed until you could sweat it out [TS]

  is that a thing I think it is i don't believe right eye and I know it's [TS]

  different with small children with small children you worry don't think you want [TS]

  to like a hundred and fourteen oh yeah they're aching and you want to take care [TS]

  of that because I could you know that's serious business but i think is it as an [TS]

  adult you don't say I don't take anything to be to take you know take the [TS]

  fever down whatever I feel like your body wants to have a fever then let it [TS]

  go it you know you'll sweat this out let me ask you this [TS]

  I think what I don't speak for you but I feel like anyone who has kids can agree [TS]

  that its children the cause illness because a little disgusting sponges [TS]

  actually touch everything that each other kids boogers on a dare and and [TS]

  then they rub around on the playground and then they come home and bring that [TS]

  into your home [TS]

  do you have a sense let me ask you this is a factual question do you know what [TS]

  your schools rule is for when you should or should not send your kid to school [TS]

  that's an excellent question i don't i think Amy would probably know a little [TS]

  bit more but it-it-it [TS]

  it is in the modern age and you know I I mean this goes back decades i think when [TS]

  you and I were kids were at the pivot point of this clearly before our time [TS]

  there was a stay-at-home parent and a lot of households usually obviously the [TS]

  mother and you know in today's world there are you know it's not so many [TS]

  stay-at-home parents and also i mean like i can tell you are my my daughter [TS]

  is in you know enrichment and aftercare until usually through for every day but [TS]

  their kids were there till dark there did they have six like the parents need [TS]

  those both parents are working there is no one to take care of that kid unless [TS]

  someone doesn't get paid right and so I actually I don't know the rules but i [TS]

  know that a lot of kids go when I probably shouldn't and probably when the [TS]

  parents kind of wish that they could leave him home but that it is such an [TS]

  enormous a thing to untangle from to if you don't send the kids to school what [TS]

  do you do and and you know and a lot of times it pops up it only pops up in the [TS]

  morning you know when you wake up and it's you know you might have meetings [TS]

  you have stuff so I i am super sympathetic to that I don't know and I [TS]

  know that the school's rules for this is is not very well I'll tell you what ours [TS]

  are so first of all to your point I think the pendulum has swung i think [TS]

  that i think that there was a time you know in the post you know Benjamin Spock [TS]

  era where we want to toughen up our kids not turn turn them into cities and [TS]

  dancers and so you sent him to school you gotta send it yeah you gotta go to [TS]

  school don't matter how sick you are and then I think I feel like from from for [TS]

  me in the last I want to even want to have a job in the nineties they made it [TS]

  very clear to people you know don't come to work if you're sick because you make [TS]

  other people sick [TS]

  we never used to talk about that you just be you had to be home because you [TS]

  were ill but then there's the sense of no let's be more you know the pendulum [TS]

  swings that way you say like oh no let's not make other people sick [TS]

  it's my understanding today and I am I get this wrong but I believe this is [TS]

  correct because i don't like going to school and see how much it's not [TS]

  yeah makes me out i hate those kids who are just walking down the hallway and [TS]

  coughing I get all like Howard Hughes I get old and Benjamin when I see that and [TS]

  so are what is it did you know and I hate to say it and like my kids bit [TS]

  fastidious so I he is not this way but there's a classic it just seems [TS]

  completely ignorant of snot coming out [TS]

  the nose it's just used to it he doesn't mind it you can see one you know the [TS]

  really the really the really classic pro levels not kid will have loved the crust [TS]

  around the rim right and then just all kind of moist droplet like pine tar [TS]

  following and then you know might take years for that one to fall but it's [TS]

  there [TS]

  it almost looks like they're like one of those like a lifetime [TS]

  well you know how like there's like two kinds of aliens and star wars the ones [TS]

  that look like totally there like some kind of outlandish design and then [TS]

  there's the ones that are like mostly human but have like a little thing [TS]

  different + like it looks like you know maybe you're an alien who has like a [TS]

  crusty rock formation and coming out where your nose should be uh huh uh [TS]

  here's what I think this is what my wife says i think i might be getting this [TS]

  wrong but I feel like what she told me was you keep your kid home officially if [TS]

  they have a fever vomiting or diarrhea [TS]

  otherwise they're good to go you keep eating like literally have a nopin and [TS]

  as long as they're not vomiting an inconvenience people he's just really [TS]

  pregnant isn't that nuts i mention that honestly I whether it's official or not [TS]

  it sounds at it seems to me like that is a practically speaking the way it goes [TS]

  like and those are the think the fever is the one where it's like a kid with a [TS]

  fever is so miserable [TS]

  it's they discovered your little you feel it so much more like I hate having [TS]

  a fever but I remember the fever's i still remember the ear aches and fears [TS]

  of my childhood title that still in my in my mind I feel like I still remember [TS]

  thinking maybe short of my first migraine like this is the most [TS]

  excruciating thing I will ever feel is like the feeling of being out of your [TS]

  body and yet incredibly connected to the pain in your body when you have a fever [TS]

  and then also liked having the same dream over and over [TS]

  mmm yeah yeah look at the school listen geography today John huh [TS]

  I remember the thing I remember about having fever as a kid was how severe the [TS]

  chills were and what a great name for the symptom that is I mean it's kinda [TS]

  obvious but it it sounds like a Stephen King novel and when you're a kid having [TS]

  the chills for me at least I remember [TS]

  oddly it there was nothing you could do you you could stop swimming in and [TS]

  lighter fluid and light me on fire and it wouldn't for me up you know i love [TS]

  you know I had a fever you know torso and trunk would feel like they were in a [TS]

  walk-in freezer right in my head my feeling was in a microwave at the same [TS]

  time and I could not stand anything touching my skin right and like end up [TS]

  like helping me right in Mike the real life like you know I think it's only [TS]

  like 20 degrees here in Philadelphia today it's 26 was very familiar with you [TS]

  go out and weather like that and it's unpleasant but eventually your skin [TS]

  starts to burn you know there's my god i don't know there's some kind of way that [TS]

  you're nervous sort of compensate for this and they're like all right we gotta [TS]

  destroy cold we're gonna you know even this out when you have the chills [TS]

  especially as a kid like you said it's so much more sensitive to cold just [TS]

  never stops it it it and it it's the worst [TS]

  let's like you know I having a time to google this so I'm just gonna guess but [TS]

  you know what is that something is happening something is telling you your [TS]

  body is way out of whack and i think i think what a fever is doing is whatever [TS]

  it is that caused causing the fever is trying to raise your body temperature to [TS]

  kill that thing [TS]

  yeah what is just sweat it out sweat it out that salty that's what happened i [TS]

  didn't fight the fever and then last but not not this night not not thursday [TS]

  night going today but wednesday night going into Thursday I sweated it out i [TS]

  woke up as a as a breathing crease crease thing so so wins day it's friday [TS]

  as we record this but like let's say around if you can remember in your state [TS]

  around lunchtime wednesday what was your prognosis do you like you know what did [TS]

  you feel like oh this is gonna be something i get over or this is going to [TS]

  be like a to weaker or it's just gonna be you know what it's gonna be [TS]

  I never had I i watched Say Never not come with her but I haven't been sick [TS]

  for like more than a handful of days and years [TS]

  I'm you know I have to say I'm unfortunate to have overall very good [TS]

  health you not to sweat it out [TS]

  yeah I I but I I wouldn't have guessed that I would feel as good as I do today [TS]

  i thought i was looking at it maybe like through the weekend type thing [TS]

  let me tell you thanks what a pathetic thing is an adult like the high point of [TS]

  your week is you get sick anymore i love it [TS]

  let me tell you that there's not like I got a free model or something I gotta [TS]

  concluded with here's a feels bad [TS]

  it's my wednesday my wednesday is I had no idea I was getting sick i woke up and [TS]

  and actually I should say when I woke up I didn't really even think that I was [TS]

  sick I just felt sore and I thought you know that boy I'm really bad shape [TS]

  because I'd you know run some errands for you know like monday and tuesday [TS]

  times from you know walked a couple miles and my legs felt so store I was [TS]

  like that is pathetic that my legs feel so sore after just with normal urban [TS]

  walking huh [TS]

  I'm and then I started like thinking a little bit more about how i felt and i [TS]

  was like you know what I'm sick and I'm . all I'm hot and it's like the heats [TS]

  not on high [TS]

  I've got a fever and then i realized i was just parched with thirst and I was [TS]

  like this is good and I realized I it just dawned on me very slowly like I've [TS]

  got the flu or something and I thought I'm parched with thirst [TS]

  I I i cannot i just need something cold to drink but I really want it had to be [TS]

  bubbly I hadn't needed fizzy water because it the idea of drinking [TS]

  stillwater was absolutely disgusting to me it just felt like it would I normally [TS]

  don't like to drink stillwater but at this moment is getting once you really [TS]

  get in fizzy water there's something slightly revolting about room [TS]

  temperature flat water and it's exaggerated when i'm sick in the same [TS]

  way that coffee doesn't taste good or I'm sick only something fizzy taste good [TS]

  it like it's the way my my tongue feels I need the bubbles to like kind of burn [TS]

  the sick off the tongue or something so I go downstairs and all my all my [TS]

  sodastream bottles are empty [TS]

  that's my own fault because I'm the only one in the house to drink the stuff it's [TS]

  not like I can't blame anybody else because nobody else drinks it so i go to [TS]

  fill one up and put it in the the penguin and I start pumping it and it [TS]

  makes that six sound when one at the canisters empty so they'll co2 canisters [TS]

  empty now months ago I had switched from keeping this pear canisters under the [TS]

  sink to keep them down on our first floor which is sort of a basement garage [TS]

  level we just know living area down there but it's not really a basement [TS]

  because it's sort of street-level but its ground level and we have I got [TS]

  storeroom down there and keep them there too as a courtesy to 2a me to not take [TS]

  up space under the sink with with my own fizzy water thing that i only have to [TS]

  replace every couple weeks so I go downstairs and I'm barefoot but it's [TS]

  only like 20 degrees outside and it's like it's tile floor and it's just so [TS]

  cold it and I just I couldn't take it so i'm down on the first floor and it's a [TS]

  stone i added i would say that the floor was around negative 30 or 40 degrees [TS]

  that's pretty cold and i go back to work [TS]

  just one of the properties it like a concrete kind of just like it's not [TS]

  created style it's sometimes even worse i think i think tile will typically be [TS]

  40 to 60 degrees cold and sacraments and that's why you gotta put water in your [TS]

  tub i go to the back room and where they are and i read stay I gotta get down on [TS]

  the floor to findings and all three of the ones i have their they're all empty [TS]

  already know [TS]

  so apparently at some point my system is I have fork i keep four canisters of the [TS]

  the co2 and when I have three empties I go to the williams-sonoma across town [TS]

  and and you know swap the three old ones out for three new ones and then I begin [TS]

  my fourth is the one that so apparently I screwed that up whenever I swapped the [TS]

  last one out but so i'm left with with nothing I've got nothing and i'm already [TS]

  down there on this cold floor [TS]

  no I've got no fizzy water but I need something fizzy so I had a beer [TS]

  oh good for you and internet that's got the performance characteristics [TS]

  yeah yeah it's busy and so did the beer doesn't freeze when it's sitting it was [TS]

  an outsider was in downstairs refrigerator that was in the [TS]

  refrigerator your regular refrigerator primary refrigerator that so I had a [TS]

  beer and went back to bed but i haven't i think is going to tell you that's [TS]

  totally permissible because you're hydrating you're helping to sweat it out [TS]

  and you're getting the busyness that would prevent you from not being [TS]

  disgusted by fire water right so that woke back up around noon did to help you [TS]

  sleep at all [TS]

  yeah well it was about an hour then I took a shower which is the best I've [TS]

  felt you feel good intersect you feel good when you take a shower [TS]

  6a day it's the backs right yeah it's like grabbed routes mount I mean her 6x [TS]

  know it's literally only thing it will give me relief or make me feel like me [TS]

  feel less awful [TS]

  for a little while and then even for a little while after i get out i'll [TS]

  continue to feel like less awful it's the only relief and if you have a cold [TS]

  and if your stuff in some way the steam you know it temporarily opens the up and [TS]

  stuff like that just feels good so I felt I started feeling better again I [TS]

  got dressed put some nice clean clothes on and and I was going to go out and buy [TS]

  I couldn't I couldn't make it far enough away there's no way at in my state I was [TS]

  going to make it far enough to get the co2 cartridges I was gonna buys some [TS]

  Pellegrino or some perrier or something that you know just a block or two away [TS]

  and so I'd i went to the store and we didn't have any orange juice in the [TS]

  house either so i think i went to the store and the only stuff i wanted to buy [TS]

  12 x 50 bottles of fizzy water some orange juice and i forget what else [TS]

  something else so that those little cans of san pellegrino the orange ones you [TS]

  know what I mean [TS]

  oh yeah those are nice with a little wrapper on them yeah exactly what the [TS]

  little wraparound sort of like a cross between fizzy water and and soda [TS]

  you know the reason and it was like the heaviest stuff you can possibly buy from [TS]

  from a market and I i realized that i $FULLPHONENUM i realize exactly who I [TS]

  felt like what my posture look like and the pace that I was walking at and and [TS]

  my capabilities of carrying these groceries is I was C Montgomery burns [TS]

  you look like a question mark [TS]

  yes but like I didn't have this is I don't have the strength to keep my back [TS]

  straight and your you're a tall fellow so you you bet that was pretty pretty as [TS]

  you walk in with a little orange sodas all that's so sad but here i am on [TS]

  friday and i feel you're not you know the really looks like you got the [TS]

  instacart there in Philadelphia [TS]

  actually I don't know how that works oh my god I can't believe you think that's [TS]

  and I was it would get it to me within an hour [TS]

  well in San Francisco it's usually two hours depending how busy they are it's [TS]

  two hours but sometimes they have one hour [TS]

  availability yeah yeah I'll bring it right out to you but no but yeah I just [TS]

  instantly just the dreaded even leaving the house in a situation like that it's [TS]

  just can't do it i will add that amy was busy [TS]

  at the time she did I forget where she was but she was out of the house and and [TS]

  so it wasn't as though amy was there and wasn't willing to help me I i needed to [TS]

  help myself or remained completely parched just keep telling yourself that [TS]

  thinks she saw that I was getting sick and got the hell out anyway you're right [TS]

  about the kids as the source i feel like if we could now I mean we don't want to [TS]

  kill all the children but if we could not immediately know if we could isolate [TS]

  them we could just collect all the children of the world and and you know [TS]

  Lords of the fly them like let's send them to Australia because I didn't have [TS]

  any land down there put them all in Australia for maybe like an 18-month [TS]

  stretch who said some of them obviously will be killed by spiders I well I mean [TS]

  that's inevitable that is that a stereotype John that their strikers [TS]

  all-stars just this giant deadly spiders [TS]

  yeah I feel like yeah I would say Australia most of Australia is pretty [TS]

  much like that room in indiana jones and the temple of doom [TS]

  that's kind of what i imagine like not and maybe a little better lit but yeah [TS]

  absolutely [TS]

  huh yeah yeah what you got you got to play howler monkeys you got you got a [TS]

  killer wombats like it's just two people with big knives [TS]

  I don't know it sounds like a pretty rough place i I'm just picking a place [TS]

  that's isolated you know but you but yeah wow if we could just eliminate [TS]

  children for about a year-and-a-half it isolate children for also merge [TS]

  especially somewhere dry where they could sweat it out you expect whatever [TS]

  you'd like you got a year to be sick [TS]

  get out here since we would eradicate every disease known to man out of you [TS]

  every contagious disease at least known a man may be other than STDs but the [TS]

  rest of the world let's hope they don't discover Australia really makes a little [TS]

  wild [TS]

  yeah I had in my head that stds might not be helped by this but in terms of [TS]

  diseases like cold since the night in terms of diseases like colds and flus if [TS]

  we could get rid of the children for about a year to have just to let these [TS]

  things they would just die right out and we just got one day a week during that [TS]

  you're scrubbing everything you know [TS]

  well here's the thing and I'm gonna shut up about this i think the hand-washing [TS]

  thing makes a huge difference and my kids preschool they washed hands you [TS]

  wash hands when you like grow [TS]

  and kids you wash hands when you arrive at school you wash hands when you leave [TS]

  school and you go and you wash hands at every transition point throughout the [TS]

  day and i'm not a hand-washing lunatic except that i have seen the difference [TS]

  and I I know what a difference it makes it doesn't it won't like stop your kid [TS]

  from getting sick but it makes a huge difference because you just think about [TS]

  like we go downtown we ride public transit we go to the movies and then [TS]

  make it like you know grab some popcorn and sticks and around like are you [TS]

  kidding you have any idea where your hand has been do you know how much of [TS]

  San Francisco is on your hand right now it's true [TS]

  yeah I mean you know she sits on the floor and public transit like don't do [TS]

  that like what you would be doing now in her school now [TS]

  no no the real busy they're all busy the can wash hands all the time and so she [TS]

  gets sick a lot more I i realized i realized i see the logic of the [TS]

  legislation you know the the employees must wash hands that there's it must be [TS]

  a sign that states those exact words and every restaurant [TS]

  yeah I think you have to put up the sign i don't know if you have to reinforce [TS]

  the actual hand-washing but I with the thing that always gets me about those [TS]

  signs is the idea that if you're not an employee [TS]

  whatever you want to do yeah but conversely also usually kind of love the [TS]

  idea of somebody who works in the kitchen that has to be room minded to [TS]

  wash their hands after taking a shit and just touch the door [TS]

  no I know we started watching kitchen nightmares and I don't eat out anymore [TS]

  oh this is terrible but I don't want to show what have you done to this avocados [TS]

  who's the host that job at the gordon ramsay oh that's what I thought [TS]

  yeah you know what Jonas and Amy like to watch that show i I'd choose not to [TS]

  you should not you should i eat the hills it as a hotel hell which is [TS]

  similar with hotels and he seems like he you know he's a pretty smart guy seems [TS]

  like I feel like every episode he seems a good guy who probably wants to do a [TS]

  little less coke that he does he's very very animated [TS]

  um yeah kind of a hair trigger but you know it's what it's formulaic you know [TS]

  comfort food [TS]

  how would we get the kids to Australia would it be by like a ship or how would [TS]

  that work [TS]

  I oh I see some my friend John Rother can I have talked about is how useful it [TS]

  would be like instead in lieu of like middle school you send kids out to work [TS]

  in a national park for like three years because just to confirm i'll get him [TS]

  away from us get out of society and get him somewhere where they can really be [TS]

  exhausted they have to make their own clothes from things that they find while [TS]

  they're working during the day you know it'd be kind of like you want to be like [TS]

  you know hunger games meets lord of the flies which is I guess already kind of [TS]

  lord of the flies but yeah because for everybody be good for that maybe become [TS]

  strong you get a tan [TS]

  you don't have to make a bunk bed maybe what we could do instead that those are [TS]

  all good very good ideas what we could do instead is maybe maybe pick one of [TS]

  the state's here in the US and make it a note no children state and then we'd [TS]

  have subsidies so all the children who are already felt like a smoking area in [TS]

  in restaurants [TS]

  exactly exactly what I'm thinking but we'll do the whole state [TS]

  well we'll have some kind of subsidy system setup so that everybody already [TS]

  has children you know we'll be able to move somewhere nice and then we'll let's [TS]

  just see what happens to the remaining adults in that state how frequently they [TS]

  they get cold or flu and i'll bet that they don't get it at all [TS]

  plus they can afford to retire except for the ones and then and then we did [TS]

  we'd have to have something in place for you know what do you what do you call it [TS]

  when you quarantine quarantine for anybody who leaves and goes to like say [TS]

  disney something like that you have to do i see that have to pass through his [TS]

  own we make sure that they haven't brought any kid germs without yeah [TS]

  that's pretty good i think a lot of people would love that based on the [TS]

  glares that we get when we eat out i think a lot of people would be happy [TS]

  with that state you know maybe there could be a state just for people who you [TS]

  don't want to be around kids or have kids or just even know kids exist and [TS]

  then there could be well I guess technically be a san francisco's noe [TS]

  valley will be a place is dedicated just to people who are way too into their [TS]

  kids you know what I mean it would be like will be like that like the first [TS]

  time you go to like [TS]

  the parents meeting for a school and you're like a little tikes yeah but it's [TS]

  just like I'm really glad I'm not any of the people who are here [TS]

  I don't like the way anybody here is raising their kids [TS]

  Tyler calimary calimary have you done your Mandarin shut up just shut up [TS]

  what percentage of children today are named Skyler Skyler Skyler you got Tyler [TS]

  uh I I think Skylar might have been hot a while back there's a lot of [TS]

  Annabella's we get a lot of what do you what do you get there [TS]

  I've lost track I used to keep track that was it was a it was a real thing [TS]

  mileage on it started school and I've have since lost track when you and the [TS]

  worst part is I could really see me doing this [TS]

  the problem is me like i start i have about an explosion of love laughter [TS]

  before i even have a second to realize how awful it is to laugh at a child's [TS]

  name [TS]

  let's go but I feel so bad [TS]

  anastasia helicopter we're like my daughter has a friend who's little [TS]

  sisters named narrows and I can't decide it's kind of a super cool name [TS]

  it's kind of pretty weird but it's cool like there's that's a cool name is I [TS]

  what is that what I have a game of the houses house game of thrones house of [TS]

  cards yeah exactly it's from that show is that lady with the Dragons no [TS]

  spoilers [TS]

  that's kind of a cool name but now she's got like a Welsh name she's got a spell [TS]

  to people for the rest of your life [TS]

  I don't know you try to see the thing is everybody suffers from this because you [TS]

  try and get ahead of it up this happen to you when we picked our kids name it [TS]

  was not like a super popular name and it seemed like this is one of the John [TS]

  syracuse of things were like you think you're doing this thing outside of the [TS]

  culture and the evolution and like a year later ever your kid has the same [TS]

  name is everybody and look how did that happen well now their name in tropical [TS]

  storms winter storms after after my kid that's it that's so embarrassing you [TS]

  know if they've got like stuff like t-shirts you should buy him I'm sorry [TS]

  about his party that's such a bummer we you know what he likes to do i'll take [TS]

  she's happy as a pig in a poke today what she likes to do she this is like a [TS]

  holiday for her is that she likes to watch when there's a big snowstorm [TS]

  coming [TS]

  and they know it's coming she likes to watch the local news [TS]

  oh yeah that's the local news [TS]

  oh this is my boy this is they've been waiting all year for this day maybe a [TS]

  few years for this day [TS]

  ok there's a local Philadelphia news channel and they had a live report [TS]

  she called me in to see it should be rounded on the TV she's like you have to [TS]

  seize right before we started recording their live report from a hardware store [TS]

  in Virginia Virginia that was rationing shovels and and the salt because some [TS]

  people want to buy 10 of them yeah exactly [TS]

  now that is Panik two shuttles for customer limit what if i break 5 and [TS]

  that's really really odd [TS]

  there's so many odd things about that white wife Virginia why that problem why [TS]

  report it [TS]

  it's just like what with this to face the fact that he rejected to decide that [TS]

  that was the right one to show in philadelphia i don't know i sent you the [TS]

  link here i'm looking at the page i've noticed is your old address may be but [TS]

  essential link there to a forecast so right now you got your help God you got [TS]

  21 to 28 Fahrenheit today five-day inches of snow starting an evening [TS]

  tomorrow those that tomorrow's the big day right yeah tomorrow's supposed to be [TS]

  the big sister Saturday you get 12 to 18 inches throughout the day and windy [TS]

  until evening is that was some right you're going to you might get like a [TS]

  foot and a half of snow that's what the sand and honestly it what makes me think [TS]

  it's going to be bad is that it's actually it's gone up but usually they [TS]

  give you the worst you know like 48 72 hours in advance they make a dead [TS]

  terrible prediction take to get everybody you know the big to get [TS]

  everybody hysterical want to get to get their attention and then it gets closer [TS]

  and closer and then they dial it down this one it was like they were talking [TS]

  about like eight to ten inches a couple like a day or two ago now they're [TS]

  talking [TS]

  jeez look at that but it would this be what like 17 to 23 inches total god [TS]

  all the things that we've benefited from with cord-cutting one of my favorites is [TS]

  we just don't get local we don't watch it ordinarily but when we do it is an [TS]

  affiliate culture shock [TS]

  yeah it really does and it's not so much that it's changed [TS]

  it's just that it's no longer can seems normal to me and so that the way that [TS]

  they handled stories whether that's like this or whether it's just like it [TS]

  averaged a it you know the stuff that they had decided to highlight and the [TS]

  way that they do it really really stands out in the way that I feel like in in [TS]

  some ways it has not the actual format and style of local TV news like evening [TS]

  you know and nighttime news has not changed that much since I was a kid but [TS]

  it's changed enough in a couple ways I mean there's no I don't know how this [TS]

  started but whenever became the tradition to have like top of the hour [TS]

  news you got news sports and weather and you always put weather is that still the [TS]

  case is not know how they do it oh yeah you put weather lasts because you want [TS]

  people to watch all the really there for us to find out whether we're coat [TS]

  tomorrow what co2 what do you give you they give you just tease in the first 30 [TS]

  seconds [TS]

  that's right yeah exactly what cell there's some surprising weather news [TS]

  that you have gotten you've gotta wait for this every day every single day 365 [TS]

  days a year there is some surprising and important weather related news and cathy [TS]

  is going to tell you about it later in the broadcast coming up right after [TS]

  magnum p.i are deadly fecal bacteria living on your door knob right tell us [TS]

  where after like in the first three minutes of the broadcast Kathy oh come [TS]

  on and all she's gonna say is Jim you just wait until you hear this here [TS]

  fucking book is filled my god this is we better wait that looks like a couple of [TS]

  let's talk about this apartment is exactly but the way the way I feel like [TS]

  it has changes it like as much as it felt very glossy when I was a kid in the [TS]

  nineteen seventies oh my goodness [TS]

  everything that the motion graphics everything so much classier now and it [TS]

  just really seems like they've gotten it down to a science where it's extremely [TS]

  professional chipper people reporting horrible horrible things like horrible [TS]

  dangerous things like I mean and i'm far from the first person to say this but [TS]

  I'm always struck when I watch it that [TS]

  it's so much more about American culture and society makes sense to me when i [TS]

  watch local news is i think like wow if you really did watch this as your one of [TS]

  your primary sources of information about the world I'd be losing my mind to [TS]

  I'd be like I be stocking up on guns and shit snow shovels as well it's like you [TS]

  just you really feel like like people like everybody is getting killed [TS]

  everybody everybody's getting killed or they're dying from something they can't [TS]

  prevent I absolutely i think it's why I've said this to me before like most of [TS]

  our family lives within an hour of Philadelphia overwhelming majority of [TS]

  our family and no nobody ever wants to come see us here and i think i think [TS]

  it's because of TV news because they think if you travel with in the city [TS]

  you're either gonna get shot or the building you're in is going to catch [TS]

  fire stop fucking you're getting one of those are increasingly all-too-common [TS]

  fire stabbings that they have in Philadelphia [TS]

  yeah I don't know gosh I hope it goes okay now like who you like a dark a [TS]

  c-list is down there in the Virginia there get anymore so yeah that's the [TS]

  epicenter [TS]

  yeah that's the epicenter and DC the whole what I call it down there about [TS]

  when sure i'll tell you what i got a point about the TV news before we move [TS]

  off it i gotta the thing that strikes me when I watch it now and I grew up with [TS]

  it and they certainly did the same thing back then but I just accepted it as [TS]

  that's how you do TV news is the way that the correspondence you know there's [TS]

  the anchor person at the desk maybe there's two maybe there's a man and a [TS]

  woman but the others that you know an anchorperson or to a desk in the studio [TS]

  who lead the broadcast and introduced every story and then they go to a [TS]

  correspondent and no matter what the story is no matter no matter what sense [TS]

  it makes the correspondent needs to be out doors somewhere in the in the TV [TS]

  broadcast area and it doesn't matter what the story is [TS]

  they could just be on some random street corner but they help people be reporting [TS]

  the video for example they might be doing something about like a Federal [TS]

  Reserve report for that matter but I've got to be outside somewhere outside of [TS]

  walmart in order to like deliver that and then they and then they absolutely [TS]

  positively must find someone walking by [TS]

  I who will stop and talk to them for 10 seconds about the story [TS]

  ya know site yeah it's there some I think increasingly it is they've got to [TS]

  have at least two or three people and i think that the way one way that become [TS]

  so addicted to watch is there's always something happening there's always [TS]

  another transition coming there's always another thing you're looking forward to [TS]

  happening [TS]

  you're teasing the next thing you throw to the other person the motion graphic [TS]

  goes on this is like that like when i watch CNN to me it feels good demo reel [TS]

  for like a motion graphic company [TS]

  it doesn't feel like there's really anything very substantial to learn you [TS]

  can get it down to three bullets basically what happened [TS]

  CNN does but i think the the style of it is very engrossing to people [TS]

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  oh yeah go to black plays go to black please calm I'll of that do it go go to [TS]

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  backblaze the ones got the handlebar mustache is identical jet-black a [TS]

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  and and with the new section lot of pictures of empty grocery shelves and [TS]

  people in line waiting to buy things [TS]

  here's the thing i under that I've said this before in years past I understand [TS]

  the need to stock up on groceries we've done it we've already gone and we've [TS]

  bought some some staples we're going to make sure that we get not just food to [TS]

  eat but maybe you know actually you know meals that we have in the house ready to [TS]

  prepare turn some 1.75 liter size bottles but it still boggles my mind the [TS]

  way that it's there are certain staples that literally sell out like I i'll [TS]

  guarantee you that when we finish recording the show today if i go to get [TS]

  you to the [TS]

  acme down the street that doesn't mean no bread no bread no right because all [TS]

  because you know when you're really really gonna attack my Snow you you're [TS]

  gonna want to have some bread [TS]

  oh my God we're out of bread but ordinarily there's so much bread in that [TS]

  supermarket that there's so much bread that's like it that is ridiculous [TS]

  realize how big that section is until it's been totally cleared out during a [TS]

  snowstorm right and it's when it's cleared out you realize that all the [TS]

  weird bread is going to be all that kind of dark bread only like your older [TS]

  relatives like right place your bread so dark stuff with weird seeds they don't [TS]

  know what weird seeds yeah exactly [TS]

  oh my goodness why don't we make we make light but I you know this well that's [TS]

  probably listen this won't come out until the damage is done right we should [TS]

  probably watch our cats [TS]

  yeah we might come out probably come out tomorrow okay I'm gonna come out later [TS]

  today could come out later today never know what happened uh-huh [TS]

  god I don't know why what else do people buy eggs that's another one to where [TS]

  it's good to have eggs and house i enjoy eggs and I think maybe there's like some [TS]

  brochure that went around in like from the 5276 the same shit everybody buys [TS]

  you buy canned soup you buy bread right you gotta have non-perishable items [TS]

  right you got to have things that you could make over the hot plate that you [TS]

  don't actually own there's all the things that you need but you go into [TS]

  this lizard brain thing where you just click and your brain goes into buy stuff [TS]

  at the grocery store mode and and then of course it's like the stock market [TS]

  just like trading places you go in there and you see everybody freaking out and [TS]

  that makes you freaking that's exactly it is i think that maybe you go in there [TS]

  and you think I want to get bread because i'm supposed to go back and just [TS]

  gonna pick a little bread all i got but you see through the guide next year's [TS]

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  I better get punching some lady in the next because she's touching your butter [TS]

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  Bread I've never bought the people in your life but you feel like if you don't [TS]

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  now [TS]

  yeah like it seems like you should probably buy crap your stuff than you [TS]

  normally buy because maybe it'll last longer like don't get to Progreso like [TS]

  it's generic brands to make that that'll be better when you go into your [TS]

  theoretical bunker you bring that along because this shows here that have been [TS]

  totally wiped clean of all lettuce so maybe this is a big salad of it maybe [TS]

  you have us like a lock-in and yet you make Caesar salad you guys you don't get [TS]

  snow in san francisco now I get a lot of weird weather but snow is snow it is not [TS]

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  vegetables and that causes some very strange thanks for watching our air is [TS]

  incredibly clean because it's basically being washed every day it's been moved [TS]

  out and in every day but also mean stuff like you know you might start out at a [TS]

  certain temperature in the morning and then it gets colder then it gets warmer [TS]

  for an hour from three to four and then plummets again at night and explain [TS]

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  it's warm in october and then it rains for most of em late December January [TS]

  February my favorite evergreen WWDC joke WBC is almost always jianjun is you know [TS]

  hey first-timers it's a it's sunny California don't bother taking a jacket [TS]

  or jeans [TS]

  yeah you know the German tourists it's it's it's just evergreen source of humor [TS]

  the these poor bastards do i'm going to . California it's like yeah it's gonna [TS]

  be like 50 everyday where they used to give out backpacks that was a good for [TS]

  attendees that give out backpacks or or laptop bags some sort and you know [TS]

  embroidered with WWDC and then the two digits of the year and then like 3-4 [TS]

  years ago they started giving out jackets and they've done jackets ever [TS]

  since and I ask somebody at Apple wants is that because so many people you know [TS]

  and you see people wearing them as it because so many people come in there [TS]

  they need them and they get exactly that's exactly it [TS]

  in that people you know attendees come up and they say like I can't do the [TS]

  German accent but the German accent I got an envelope [TS]

  thank you for this jagged I'd be dead without it danke [TS]

  yeah you're up to on come to twin peaks know it's really you should do it [TS]

  sometimes pretty cool there's not that many things i recommend about San [TS]

  Francisco but you drive up in in near the someone you're the geographical [TS]

  center of town basically at the end of market street so market street begins at [TS]

  the embarcadero the ferry building there's a part of market street you're [TS]

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  street the essentially it and it mostly ends it ends at the castro and you can [TS]

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  neighborhood and twin peaks are these two big mountains in the middle of San [TS]

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  city it's just it's really really beautiful one of the very few actually [TS]

  nice things in San Francisco but of course you go up a mountain in san [TS]

  francisco and it's like it's you know 10 to 20 degrees colder than it was where [TS]

  you were plus it's incredibly windy so you just see these little these ladies [TS]

  up there just like selling sweatshirts they just pick up there at eight in the [TS]

  morning they just sell sweatshirt all day long younger I want to see . view [TS]

  from the Twin Peaks I I feel like I probably had maybe even a majority of [TS]

  the people who listen to my show have been to san francisco at least once I [TS]

  mean I feel like it's you know it's probably an awful lot i know that an [TS]

  awful lot of people who read my stuff and listen to better you know work out [TS]

  there and know if you work anywhere even vaguely Northern California of course [TS]

  you've been to San Francisco but you know there's probably a lot of people [TS]

  who you know just have never had reason to go [TS]

  I I feel like you can hear these stories about how the weather in San Francisco's [TS]

  incredibly isolated you know from the area around it but you just can't be [TS]

  what you walk around within two blocks [TS]

  yeah changed you know basically be a different climate right wires that are [TS]

  very unclear why is it cold here i'm only I just moved I just gone from union [TS]

  square down to you know how the wind blowing from both directions like all of [TS]

  a sudden you're down by where they called AT&T [TS]

  park wherever the giants play yeah sure it's 50 degrees colder i know i know [TS]

  it's bananas right yeah but yeah I hope it all goes i hope it all goes well for [TS]

  you know god bless you i hope i hope its hope it's a it's fine . now did you face [TS]

  I don't wanna make this little show but I mean like do you face much in the way [TS]

  like of damage like when I was in florida and there's a hurricane coming [TS]

  there's all kinds of stuff you gotta do to pay all the way from tape up the [TS]

  windows to like board over the windows like it you have to do any special [TS]

  preparation now you know big snows coming [TS]

  no now except stock up on bread that's right you know there's something you [TS]

  know what we as a family have it very easy and I understand again this is just [TS]

  it's just like kids getting sick if you have a job or you've got it [TS]

  it's important that you be there it's snowstorm is a enormous pain in the ass [TS]

  I and in fact that it's coming on a weekend could be good news for a lot of [TS]

  people but there's still some people who have jobs that they're it's essential [TS]

  that they be there huge pain in the ass [TS]

  elbow I guess where my office is it's right downstairs so the fact that we can [TS]

  easily and and work wise you know a snowstorm is often indistinguishable [TS]

  from a normal day for us it's actually kind of nice here you're very you're [TS]

  very fortunate and any other generation the idea of having your bedroom your [TS]

  office and your bar be essentially the same room you know that's powerful right [TS]

  you got everything you need right there [TS]

  you know like you like your own personal food court everything you need is right [TS]

  there now I like it and and sometimes it really it's just so nice in the city to [TS]

  have the big snow come and have very few cars on the road and it's you can go out [TS]

  right before the snow turns all gray and black from the cars that eventually get [TS]

  back on the road [TS]

  everything looks beautiful and it's quiet it is quiet in a way that you [TS]

  can't believe that the city could ever be this quiet because in addition to the [TS]

  fact that there's no or very few cars on the road the snow is like what would you [TS]

  call it a sound dampening soft substance absorbs its it's hard to even describe [TS]

  that sound but it's even more live in the suburbs in ohio it's it's a very [TS]

  special winter feeling to go outside it's very it's very crisp it's very [TS]

  quiet and it's very still [TS]

  it just feels like everything has slowed down yeah i remember a couple years ago [TS]

  it's very vivid in my mind is Michael op my friend Michael op of brands and [TS]

  repose was in town for a conference of some sort or somebody paid him first [TS]

  because like a paid speaking I don't know there's a conference or corporate [TS]

  thing but he was in town and a huge snowstorm hit one of these you know at [TS]

  least a foot of snow type things and we went out to dinner just the two of us [TS]

  and there was nobody on the street and you know steak house was open and there [TS]

  was only like one other table that was taken only like two or three waiters are [TS]

  on shift and we asked the waiter you know like it was just like a huge [TS]

  painting ask you like I live in the city what else am I gonna do tonight I don't [TS]

  care [TS]

  so it was like empty steakhouse super-quiet great meal and I feel like [TS]

  it's because I whoever was in the kitchen it was like well what are we you [TS]

  know we weren't cooking like three things might as well make it perfect [TS]

  great meal and then we just went out and just walked back to his hotel and then I [TS]

  walked home and it was it was like we were the only two people in the whole [TS]

  city of Philadelphia it will amazing it was like you can't make that up [TS]

  oh that's such a great feeling yeah you know I have something I Syracuse and I [TS]

  have ended up talking about on the show that we do is I am I'm always interested [TS]

  in what I would call it seemed exposing events right and like the kinds of [TS]

  things where you don't realize how fragile something is until some [TS]

  complexity or difficulties introduced and that's when the scenes get exposed [TS]

  and that's the thing I feel bad about what the city is if you look at sea like [TS]

  sexy like Atlanta which is already so on the edge in terms of you know I think it [TS]

  has something like them you know in the aggregate the most commuted miles per [TS]

  day without question yeah there was there was a New Yorker story about a few [TS]

  years ago it's ridiculous people doing its it's actually it's actually [TS]

  shockingly bad in its scale and the amount of time right i mean it's pretty [TS]

  bad must feel to me like an hour or something like that [TS]

  yeah is that right now it's something like that I ask something like that but [TS]

  then you introduce rain or if God forbid you introduce no to that were even the [TS]

  smallest bit of snow like they don't there's not many accommodations that the [TS]

  city of Atlanta can make for snow and that's the part where it starts to feel [TS]

  like they sit like this is the apocalypse you know we think about so [TS]

  many places like what happens in California when it rains a lot [TS]

  it happens everywhere like the first time it rains after it hasn't rained for [TS]

  a long time [TS]

  there's all this oil and [TS]

  you know various detris like just sitting there on the streets and so once [TS]

  you start you know zooming around on their that water basically i don't know [TS]

  i'm not a scientist but like that makes the road is very slippery or this the [TS]

  drains you know the ground can absorb all the water because it's been so dry [TS]

  it's just I don't know I that's why I always brace for the first big snow the [TS]

  first big you know rainstorms like will you know can we take I was talking to [TS]

  dan frommer about it on this show [TS]

  who is that less that last time so we have to say about to end in vegas when [TS]

  it rains that the cars are terrible people don't know how to drive in a [TS]

  couple of vegas resident said it's you know in addition to the fact that the [TS]

  people here don't really know how to drive with wet roads it really is [TS]

  actually worse than typical wet roads because we gets a little rain that there [TS]

  is like a coating of oil on it on that on that what you call it the tarmac for [TS]

  somebody who claims to like CES wow he he quickly I feel like I I every [TS]

  impulsive ever had to go to see yes i'm really glad i didn't listen [TS]

  that sounds so awful i think i'm going to eat you and I should go together eat [TS]

  yourself lucky you're committed for next you think we are going to do some [TS]

  reporting their I think we should i think that i think that within a couple [TS]

  of weeks i'll just file that away and do heavy do another show next year whereas [TS]

  say I'll go next [TS]

  well knowing your record with this out all make you this this mostly promise [TS]

  I'll go if you go but I don't think you're gonna go so I'm not worried i [TS]

  don't want to go [TS]

  oh my goodness and then that description of like the shuttle buses like how long [TS]

  it took to go somewhere in a shuttle bus like I walk everywhere in las vegas i [TS]

  can't imagine driving right if it's anywhere on this trip you walk there [TS]

  I mean what's the worst thing that happens you you get an alcoholic [TS]

  beverage and walk it's not hard but like oh my god and imagine all those people [TS]

  who are like us being there at the same time how miserable that would be no I [TS]

  that's part of it [TS]

  I remember one time I was in Vegas and it was just by coincidence at the end of [TS]

  some massive convention you know I don't even know what it was but it was must [TS]

  have been like CES sighs dirty clothes they're about and [TS]

  I we write waiting for a cab somewhere and it was like taking forever and when [TS]

  i asked will just walk and then it somehow came up that like we we heard it [TS]

  that they said that the at the venetian that there was a 33 hour wait for cabs a [TS]

  three-hour wait for camp because it was the end of this massive convention and [TS]

  everybody here pouring yeah but think about that like who leaves for the [TS]

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  expand and right but so it like there are times when in vegas is you know as [TS]

  much as they can support truly massive conventions conferences we're going to [TS]

  call it there are times when it still is [TS]

  you know ten pounds of shit in a five-pound bag oh well you know it's [TS]

  interesting if you think about you know I don't know it is interesting kind of a [TS]

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  planned community and [TS]

  ways because there seems to be even as much as Las Vegas has pivoted toward [TS]

  more or less family-friendly or more upward downscale there still may be [TS]

  still mostly been marching in the same direction with las vegas since what the [TS]

  forties right i mean that the basic idea of what Las Vegas is for has not changed [TS]

  that much and I have to imagine like the infrastructure to support that it mainly [TS]

  needs to grow and get bigger but doesn't need to change that much [TS]

  we're always going to need prime rib shrimp liquor and chips [TS]

  well I part of this is suddenly going to need like like you know I guess you know [TS]

  you get live animals occasionally like a white tiger dies you get a fresh one but [TS]

  like other than that I mean it's gotta be a pretty steady supply train for [TS]

  making that place run and I bet it's pretty easily disrupted oil [TS]

  part of the problem is that they they have a monorail that goes up and down [TS]

  the strip but it's terrible and dan was saying on the show that one . it was [TS]

  like an act however long waiting on the morrow but how the monorail is is [TS]

  terribly terribly located it's like way behind this trip I remember the first [TS]

  time I tried to take it was like this is great we'll get out of these expensive [TS]

  cab rides will take the monorail down and then it there like these signs like [TS]

  monorail this way and you start you go through the casino and they're like you [TS]

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  now you're going through the employee parking lot and it's monorail this way [TS]

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  monorail and then it you still get to get there and find out it's an hour wait [TS]

  it's really nice but really I mean the big but one of the big problems in vegas [TS]

  is that they really are in desperate need of some public transportation just [TS]

  and it wouldn't be that complicated really just up and down the strip and [TS]

  they don't have it [TS]

  I've often thought what do you do if you're you're staying at the venetian [TS]

  your conference is over you have a three o'clock flight and it's one in the [TS]

  afternoon and you think you're doing a responsible thing by leaving two hours [TS]

  it's not far if you want your own account it's like as soon as you pull up [TS]

  from the airport you can already see the strip [TS]

  yeah it feels very very close like anything in the desert it's kind of [TS]

  difficult to tell how far away something is traffic permitting it's usually a 10 [TS]

  or 15-minute cab ride so it's two hours in advance and then they tell you it's [TS]

  going to be three hours until you [TS]

  get a cab what do you do what do you do you know in another time you know even [TS]

  probably 20 years ago I would say you call the airline and try to reschedule [TS]

  it and pay what used to be I'm gonna say a $75 fee something like that it used to [TS]

  be that flights were more expensive but you could do more with them i think [TS]

  nowadays almost everybody buys and pull this out of my ass but you know like [TS]

  nowadays almost everybody buys refundable and non-refundable to write [TS]

  you always buy the least expensive thing but like you know certainly back when my [TS]

  dad was flying back when there were three different classes on every plane [TS]

  and you know you'd they were costly but you could do a lot more with them I feel [TS]

  like even 20 years ago most airlines for 7,500 bucks you can change your flight [TS]

  I don't know what you do in that case I because it's sort of a can't get there [TS]

  from here situation where you're going to be going to hire hire a local car I [TS]

  mean one of the locals the local third that local the modern-day thing the [TS]

  thing that you can do now is that you have a cellphone or maybe you can start [TS]

  stabbing your finger at your airline's website and see if there's something you [TS]

  can do right there right now you know you could just do it right now the other [TS]

  thing I thought you could do is if you're in that situation is take your [TS]

  suitcase or suitcases and schlep them not to the airport but maybe see if you [TS]

  can walk across the street to a different hotel and see if you can get a [TS]

  cab there but my thought would be wait if there's a big line here [TS]

  yeah there's probably going to be a big line and every hotel that is nearby [TS]

  because the nearby ones that the same ones that the same people have been that [TS]

  yeah that's that's one of those things I'm so interested in these sorts of [TS]

  things something that feels like cause but it's actually have an effect like in [TS]

  that instance the fact that there's a lineup for cabs is not the source of the [TS]

  problem is the result of the problem you know what I mean right it could just be [TS]

  that everybody's trying to get a cab right now so let's see here you stay at [TS]

  the wynn is that right now usually I'm just trying to look here so can I can't [TS]

  look at that [TS]

  so you can see like mandalay bay and Luxor practically from the airport [TS]

  yeah yeah it looks so close to the mob museum [TS]

  wow so [TS]

  sneezes you made coffee might have caught something from here and this [TS]

  I you know what I was gonna say anything but I was feeling fine i got on this [TS]

  call I even wash my hands I win-loss wynn las vegas is that what you stay at [TS]

  yeah that's where I usually stick ok then you got the Palazzo the venetian [TS]

  the mirage treasure island there's the Flamingo ok that's that big corner so [TS]

  that's the corner las vegas and flamingo is that big corner right every time my [TS]

  daughter took her first steps at the bellagio i think i told you that story I [TS]

  don't know you did [TS]

  yeah i was doing a talk to the senior management at the founder of circus Olay [TS]

  is very purple house in Las Vegas [TS]

  well I got a call from my wife that in our room at the bellagio are exactly one [TS]

  year old daughter had taken her first step by the way that you mention it was [TS]

  her first birthday cover your nose honey we have to get through the good to get [TS]

  to our room feel like depending on our life turns out that good it's gonna be [TS]

  an amusing anecdote how many therapists will have to hear that story of writers [TS]

  did you gonna be a very amusing anecdote like wow that's quite a story or it's [TS]

  going to be well nothing more David that it all started out of this is so simple [TS]

  it seemed like such a joke [TS]

  what else is going on [TS]

  well I could take I could take another break and think it's all about something [TS]

  like John all get it all get a Seltzer wash my hands [TS]

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  you think about that that must be pretty weird that's a lot of change over time [TS]

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  what is that the talkshow dotnet so those are the first I said time for a [TS]

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  podcast in two thousand even through at the end of the run of this first one [TS]

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  oktober 2009 that was ahead of the time of [TS]

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  essentially about the hell podcasts are finally becoming a thing you know it's [TS]

  become I mean it's a tired bit for those of us it's even if it's even at a bit as [TS]

  a bit at this point to joke about this because it's been 45 for what feels like [TS]

  five years now everybody has been doing podcasts in mid-2000 is saying oh that's [TS]

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  podcast which are did like this and this and this are going to really really be a [TS]

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  stops and then getting into things like editing the dimensions of editing that [TS]

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  filmmaking that went on where people were just walking around going I guess [TS]

  this is a movie so we think about those and we might have nostalgia for watching [TS]

  the sneeze or the kiss or something like that but you know it didn't take 15-20 [TS]

  years before we go oh no there really is a vocabulary you know there's a hundred [TS]

  eighty degree rule eventually there's all these different things of [TS]

  conventions of understanding how [TS]

  you know splice time and tell a story with fill in i think it's really early [TS]

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  RSS subscribers or page views or whatever it peaked a while ago i think i [TS]

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  you know the rise of things like Gawker or the rise of things like techcrunch [TS]

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  like you know you think about like at that point facebook was big but facebook [TS]

  was not what Facebook is today [TS]

  no you know it I know it wasn't so much that was still the time when we were [TS]

  still feeling a little miffed about how much people got their news from [TS]

  aggregation sites rather than the sources that were writing them which now [TS]

  today seems relatively cool . in comparison facebook didn't even have [TS]

  their IPO until $MONTH 2012 which seems crazy because we just talked about them [TS]

  is like a pillar of the tech industry you know well we weren't more than a few [TS]

  years off of myspace and kind of being the big thing I mean it'sit's that's a [TS]

  throwaway line now but a talk ID itself myself with South by Southwest year [TS]

  before that I made mention of myspace i mentioned myspace in the inbox zero talk [TS]

  from 2006 so you know that seemed like the unvanquished able big player for a [TS]

  long time which not everybody looks at laughs [TS]

  but like no no honestly that myspace really was the thing for a long time and [TS]

  it just seemed like Facebook was gonna be a have nicer typography and be [TS]

  tonight you know whatever i'm not going to be like a dork about it but Facebook [TS]

  seemed like the next myspace it didn't seem I i I'm pretty impressed with how [TS]

  much it has stuck around and grown now in that amount of time [TS]

  yeah I wouldn't predict it but for you so with your where you are with daring [TS]

  fireball is probably little bit inside baseball but the is it that has the size [TS]

  of your slice stayed the same and the pie has gotten smaller [TS]

  I don't know be my god I you still seem like very influential in the same [TS]

  circles your influential and five years ago but maybe the smaller pie [TS]

  yeah i think it's something like that you know and i think that if you pulled [TS]

  people and said who's influential writing about Apple I prob I probably do [TS]

  better now than I did then but I don't have I have fewer pageviews per month [TS]

  than I did then like i don't and i think it is always on our everybody everybody [TS]

  does write it and it's you know it's the it fits very well with my you know [TS]

  career-long argument that page views are too terrible way to measure anything [TS]

  other than how busy your your your version of apache is who I don't know [TS]

  people still use apache i use apache imagine if she don't you don't even you [TS]

  don't even know if a patch is out but I think about something like and again you [TS]

  know you guys got to give me a little bit of past don't follow all this stuff [TS]

  super carefully every your site i read six colors I read I more in Macworld i'm [TS]

  not a mac and apple follower of a user i'm a super user but i'm not i don't [TS]

  follow the business but with that said I mean could you have guessed what four [TS]

  years ago that mark Gurman would have risen in a sentence the way that he has [TS]

  not that still feels like a story that's not done being told you oh yeah [TS]

  definitely I mean I've noticed i feel like i've noticed a change in how you [TS]

  talk or think about him you have been you have on the show one time at least [TS]

  once maybe twice i think was twenty least once but it wasn't there a time [TS]

  when you will put this way I i would love all of those idiots into the [TS]

  same group of like who cares why are you talking about rumors stuff but he has [TS]

  been it seems to me unique in his ability to get to the right sources that [TS]

  he is true he is he doesn't know about stuff for other people and he finds a [TS]

  way to make it into a story in a way that a lot of other folks haven't where [TS]

  it doesn't really just feel like a blown-up forum site about rumors you [TS]

  know what I mean I think he's he's changed that particular game a little [TS]

  bit [TS]

  oh definitely i was about that so I've had him on twice i had him on last Jesus [TS]

  a pretty smart guy and then I had him when it when the show with this this [TS]

  incarnation and show is hosted over it mule he was on episode 79 in 2014 [TS]

  yeah you know and I died [TS]

  he's the most successful rumor Apple rumor reporter ever in my opinion of [TS]

  just in terms that it seems like a like a gig that burns people out but also [TS]

  just the fact that he seems to be he gets good information [TS]

  what seems like a lot more often than other people and they don't care whether [TS]

  it's the most popular sites just read the accuracy of what he's gotten right [TS]

  not just by throwing a million darts at the board by saying this this this and [TS]

  this and most of that's true i think it would be hard to argue that he's been [TS]

  the most successful yeah there's a track record [TS]

  yeah he's definitely not at darts at the board type of person you know he did you [TS]

  know which is it which is to say that what if you predict anything and [TS]

  everything and then you know one of them is bound to hit and then you're you're [TS]

  good [TS]

  ever hear about this are somebody told me about that angle her friend Paul [TS]

  Colossus told me about this a couple weeks ago that i guess i have to put in [TS]

  the show notes and find it but don't know the last soccer world cup which I [TS]

  guess was what like two years ago somebody what they did is they started [TS]

  pointing to these tweets from this account that was called like fifa fifa [TS]

  corruption fifa is the world soccer organization right that had a Sepp [TS]

  Blatter yeah well so so these tweets had all the scores in advance [TS]

  the game right right fine it was like Germany Germany's germany will be sweden [TS]

  221 and you know so-and-so kicks and kicks a goal late you know extra time to [TS]

  to as the you know to break the 1-1 tie and that it would the timestamp on the [TS]

  tweet is before the game and hair that's exactly what happened and it went super [TS]

  viral it was like holy shit this guy whoever this anonymous person treating [TS]

  these things in is it all of his tweets are exactly right and they're all you [TS]

  know they've all got the scores right so it's obviously these matches are all [TS]

  fixed but what the heck i did was brilliant [TS]

  was he tweeted like hundreds and hundreds of tweets with all sorts of and [TS]

  and soccer scores aren't that hard to to get it's not gonna be like a hundred and [TS]

  thirty five to seven right it's like you know it's going to be three two one nil [TS]

  so he tweeted hundreds and hundreds of these tweets with these possible things [TS]

  very plausible things that would happen and hadn't hadn't publicized the twitter [TS]

  account at all then went and deleted all the ones that didn't come true [TS]

  leaving only the ones that happened and then started publicizing the twitter [TS]

  account but that's the way a lot of rumor blogging works and government [TS]

  definitely isn't that style I mean that you can't go back and delete it but did [TS]

  you know certainly these the financial analyst and stuff like that they do it [TS]

  all the time they'll say you know ten different things nine of them are [TS]

  ridiculous but one of them hit and then they just point to the one that hit and [TS]

  they're like see ya that's so interesting when you think of it that [TS]

  way and it's their reputations that end up getting made that it's almost like [TS]

  you know imagine if you had to sit down in a Google spreadsheet and you know but [TS]

  remember there's a website for a while where you can make a bad about anything [TS]

  could happen in the future and now you know i think it was called but the idea [TS]

  is the artfulness is coming up with what actually constitutes the bet [TS]

  like you can't say like Oh computers will get faster within the next year [TS]

  like okay thanks that doesn't really help us get to have something very [TS]

  specific and quantifiable if you were if you were and ICU would never be this [TS]

  person if you're a rumormonger but like if you have to like make that say that [TS]

  by this date the following kind of thing will happen my level of certainty is [TS]

  this much and basically number of chips are put on the table is this much right [TS]

  you're saying like I [TS]

  I'm like I'm give this and i'm going to give this a you know five out of 10 on [TS]

  how much I pretty sure it's gonna happen and i'm gonna bet this many chips that [TS]

  would happen so you sort of like odds you know it'll be really interesting to [TS]

  go back over somebody's career and be able to look at those i bet it would be [TS]

  i bet it would be especially for some of these dangling analysts can imagine what [TS]

  that would be like not just your trip Chowdhry types but like just any of [TS]

  these folks out there who have some kind of speculative half reckon about about [TS]

  something that might happen [TS]

  it's like doing a cold reading you know like you know you walk up to anybody who [TS]

  can speak English and say do you have an uneasy feeling about an older man in [TS]

  your life right now it's like almost everybody does that would be kind of [TS]

  like going to you sometimes feel like you might be slightly more intelligent [TS]

  than a lot of people around you like oh yeah actually I do [TS]

  interesting interesting interest have you had a loss in your life unless it [TS]

  yeah that's the kind of thing where it really feels like a cold reading to just [TS]

  some of this stuff you know Apple is going to make a bigger phone app was [TS]

  going to make a smaller phone [TS]

  well congratulations you just cover the entire board like thanks that's great [TS]

  that's really useful you know what this reminds me of a very specific rumor that [TS]

  is reading of somewhat recent super widespread yeah and I wanted to bring it [TS]

  up with you edges that I didn't write it down and kept in my head but now I i [TS]

  remember otherwise I would have forgotten it [TS]

  i I'm fascinated by this rumor that the next iPhone is going to get rid of the [TS]

  headphone jack and not you not particularly because of the practical [TS]

  consequences of living with an iphone that doesn't have a standard head cook [TS]

  phone jack but the way that tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands [TS]

  of people have reacted to the news [TS]

  right there's a petition that somebody put together that apparently everybody [TS]

  knows how effective online petitions are especially for things that haven't been [TS]

  announced as a reality right it's like it's like being mad about like a [TS]

  specular change of wardrobe by the cartoon character tinkerbell it's like [TS]

  well you know the funny thing we actually thought about but sure he was [TS]

  your position [TS]

  so what are people saying what is what is what is the nature of their demanded [TS]

  that they not get rid of the audio jack or what specific beef value to me that's [TS]

  what's interesting is like the ramifications to get off their butt like [TS]

  the ramifications of this are extremely interesting because there are a lot of [TS]

  things that this will screw up a lot of things that will allow and just a whole [TS]

  bunch of stuff that will change and it all comes down to these little [TS]

  implementation details to like what this means in the near term and i find that [TS]

  incredibly fascinating here it is it's a there's an online had our online [TS]

  petition that has 290 1848 signees and their goal is 300 thousand so they're [TS]

  actually a little short of their goal i'll send you the link [TS]

  yeah i'll just read it to you though it's this is the way the petition reads [TS]

  I think it's very I think the way 3 i'm gonna tell you i try to use my voice to [TS]

  put the bold there's a lot of bulb [TS]

  oh my goodness there is our apples purple is about maybe you should read it [TS]

  maybe you should read it and so apples about to rip off every one of its [TS]

  customers are dude there [TS]

  Forbes and fast company are reporting that apple plans to ditch the standard [TS]

  3.5 millimeter headphone jack when it releases iphone 7 later this year only a [TS]

  massive who are these people have been to eat left they finished high school [TS]

  only a massive international campaign could force Apple to change course now [TS]

  really is that the only thing that can cause it to happen that seems very like [TS]

  a very odd thing to just guess [TS]

  oh my god that's horrible not only will this force iphone users to do a lot of [TS]

  additional cash to replace their Wi-Fi headphones their high five headphones it [TS]

  will single-handedly create mountains of electronic waste that likely won't get [TS]

  recycled after an em dash according to [TS]

  united nations of the ninety percent of this oh my god this is so horrible [TS]

  this is and further down this is right out of the Apple quickly but did you [TS]

  know that you know that John's you know that they have a corporate playbook out [TS]

  of which things are right taken a few years ago it swapped out the original [TS]

  that's sounds like shot rock progressive except John would never write this [TS]

  poorly a few years ago swapped out the original ipod dock connector with the [TS]

  new one making cup with countless courts cables and chargers obsolete [TS]

  whoo-hoo further down until Apple to keep the standard headphone jack and [TS]

  ditch planned obsolescence ! so I find it fascinating as incredible i do [TS]

  realize that if it's true that the headphone jack goes away that it will be [TS]

  a inconvenience to people who have purchased third-party headphones and [TS]

  more expensive they are them more inconvenient doesn't have to be an [TS]

  inconvenience [TS]

  well I mean you have to have an adapter or something like that and adapters [TS]

  going to stick out rather than it did before I mean it you know it [TS]

  yeah just did I mean like first of all it has not been announced yet there's no [TS]

  way to know this is the classes one of those classic it's one of those classic [TS]

  examples of taking something that isn't a thing yet taking even and how do you [TS]

  begin with the idea of us something that's not a thing yet guess like two [TS]

  orders of change away from that until you find something that makes you [TS]

  infuriated until where people are extremely angry about something that [TS]

  hasn't happened so i don't know i guess i just feel like I think it is [TS]

  interesting because it would it could mean lots of different stuff for the [TS]

  company but if you watch apple at all and I'm gonna say this will happen but [TS]

  if it does happen i thought this would be surprising at all especially given [TS]

  how much they want slimness given how much they want might want this added [TS]

  functionality [TS]

  I don't think they're doing it to make you buy new headphones i think they're [TS]

  doing because they think that's the future rather than the past right and [TS]

  implicit in this line of argument is the idea that they should never get rid of [TS]

  this headphone port and that devices that we buy 20 30 40 years from now [TS]

  she's still have the same headphone port because at any given to . [TS]

  if every device that could have headphones uses the same port there's [TS]

  never gonna be a year where it's like well now is the year when nobody's going [TS]

  to be put to any inconvenience whatsoever by this right and it's and [TS]

  the fact that they they make mention of the 30-pin to lightning adapter thing is [TS]

  to me it's like that that the people who sign mr. still upset about that one [TS]

  it's it's like yes that was an inconvenience and I know just from like [TS]

  talking to people like one of the scenarios where that was really [TS]

  inconvenient would be like let's say that you're maybe like you and your [TS]

  spouse are on every other year schedules getting new phones you need to get one [TS]

  every two years but every other you know one year for 11 year for the other so [TS]

  there was a year there where one of the you know household members had the old [TS]

  iphone port and the other anyone up [TS]

  it was the worst for a while yeah and so it's not just as simple if unless [TS]

  everybody in the house witches at once it's not as simple as just well just buy [TS]

  a couple of the new ones and leave around but like if there's a charger in [TS]

  the kitchen or something like that well now you've got to have a dongle or [TS]

  something but it once you know give it a couple years to work itself out and now [TS]

  it's a better world because we have a better sport it's smaller works by [TS]

  directionally right in hindsight it's like wow that that really worked out [TS]

  well let me let me ask you an extremely carefully worded question or ask our [TS]

  listeners that extremely carefully worded question how many of you out [TS]

  there are using headphones that you bought over five years ago that you [TS]

  still use several times a week and do you intend to keep using them for the [TS]

  next two years but listen to the next year [TS]

  how about this headphones you bought in the last four years that you still use [TS]

  more than one time with several times a week maybe [TS]

  are there any that you bought over four years ago that you're using everyday [TS]

  with with an iphone right and do you intend to use effort of the year because [TS]

  here's the thing that's when the lightning adapter came out was four [TS]

  years ago follow ya in the amount of time since the lightning adapter has [TS]

  come out i am not finding it difficult to deal with not having a [TS]

  deepen USB Jack anymore it just doesn't come up it comes up a couple times a [TS]

  week maybe or maybe even less because i have to charge my kids ancient ipad2 but [TS]

  that that transition is well and truly over with the exception of maybe going [TS]

  into a hotel room yet finding someplace that still have those did you see my [TS]

  point though like so so what's the legacy problem here do you personally [TS]

  have any headphones that like you couldn't afford to replace that you've [TS]

  used for more than four years and need to use for the more than the next year [TS]

  or so because it's gonna be at least a year i'm going to guess until that [TS]

  happens to be the light falls apart already [TS]

  because you know that it's not like you get a feel like getting your dad's rolex [TS]

  we're talking about headphones that people probably by every couple years [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  yeah boy an awful lot of you I know and it's nice [TS]

  at this point where you we've got internet I i think if you did like a [TS]

  thorough you know comb combing of our household and counted up all of the [TS]

  pairs of white apple earbuds that are in this house [TS]

  look I would not be surprised if the number of working pairs of them was at [TS]

  least I don't know 12 maybe more maybe like 15 20 would be surprised and it's [TS]

  nice there for like I've got a pair here at my desk and I think i've been using [TS]

  these for a while [TS]

  those are just my emergency travel headphones I hate him I hate him [TS]

  hi they fit my ears pretty well so i use them a meal doesn't really like them but [TS]

  uses them and Jonas just goes Jonas likes them a lot so he Jones uses but [TS]

  it's nice if you misplace a pair you just find another Perry picking and it [TS]

  so it'll be a pain yes you'll get a new iphone presumably if it comes you know [TS]

  unless they go one knows what they're going to do that's the other thing that [TS]

  makes me so hot crazy about that are not crazy but so like what's wrong with you [TS]

  people like we haven't heard the story yet if if it's true we haven't even [TS]

  heard what Apple expects us to do is they gonna go entirely wireless is that [TS]

  a new thing is it is it going to be the Lightning port let's just say that they [TS]

  do include a pair of wired headphones and they plug into the Lightning port [TS]

  yes it will be mildly inconvenient that like the 15 pairs of headphones in the [TS]

  house already [TS]

  no longer work [TS]

  on this phone and you have to use the one that came with your phone but [TS]

  they're gonna give you a pair of headphones at work going to give you a [TS]

  pair of the work and knowing apple I mean apples has been fairly consistent [TS]

  about this i call it personally called the one-year warning shot which is the [TS]

  Apple will give you if you're looking for it you'll notice a warning shot [TS]

  about what's going to go away in a year if you're paying attention that could be [TS]

  all kinds of different devices but these are the classic for me is the scrolling [TS]

  direction i said okay from now on we're changing the scrolling direction on OS [TS]

  10 gonna seem weird but that's going to be you know here's the thing if you if [TS]

  it absolutely drives you crazy [TS]

  you can go back and change it to the other way like an animal but but we want [TS]

  you to know that like this is the way we're moving and if you want to move in [TS]

  the direction apple is moving i'm not saying this is good bad or indifferent [TS]

  you need to listen for those warning shots and in the next year get your head [TS]

  around the fact that this is going to change so yes I think they will give you [TS]

  if if this is the change and I don't think there's evidence that there is but [TS]

  whatever if there is going to give the right headphones and you know what i'll [TS]

  bet you $MONEY you can find some kind of janky ass adapter will let you use your [TS]

  beloved headphones but i don't think i think if they do this it's not going to [TS]

  be because it makes your life miserable because they want to do something really [TS]

  new and that to me is super interesting what could you do with lightning [TS]

  headphones there's so many things that are super interesting to me and thinking [TS]

  about that and we want to think about also about stuff like could you have one [TS]

  else had a charger pack it would be conceivable have a charger pack ahead [TS]

  it's just up slightly larger than usual chin on it where you could potentially [TS]

  have to plug that in to the lightning and then have put the transmitter and [TS]

  off to the side a dangerous for plugging in old-style headphones I mean to me [TS]

  that's not beyond imagination [TS]

  sure you could do it but wouldn't want to have to look like you think I didn't [TS]

  mean it might just be a just a straight adapter would just be like a little you [TS]

  know well on a cord probably yeah either on the end maybe it would be on the [TS]

  court may be other ways you can get that ipad pro pencil problem if you've got [TS]

  the right for the flick full-on long iPhone Jack that's been pretty long [TS]

  accounting for what's already inside the phone [TS]

  yeah maybe it should be on a little cord because that way in it a little court if [TS]

  it was on like a little like you know like inch to inch scale then it wouldn't [TS]

  be like a [TS]

  Chris breaking off your thing in your pocket but the size of one of those [TS]

  splitters like where you want to split into two and you get two separate courts [TS]

  coming out something along those lines [TS]

  I like that without that would fix the legacy problem is it elegant know but [TS]

  welcome to the future like you're gonna buy new headphones anyway especially I [TS]

  don't know either way either gonna use this old 3.5 millimeter port forever [TS]

  forever or any time scale or eventually somebody is going to ship a product that [TS]

  doesn't use it and so I i had i don't get it i really do enjoy them so I [TS]

  here's the thing i really do wonder if it's true i wonder if this actually is a [TS]

  rare case in my opinion of a deliberate leak by Apple to vent a whole bunch of [TS]

  the anger almost an entire year in advance so that when it is announced it [TS]

  doesn't come as a shock to nearly as many people who has done the most [TS]

  significant and reliable reporting working out apparently reliable [TS]

  reporting on this I i guess the guy at Fast Company ok ok i guess and notably [TS]

  not German so he words [TS]

  yeah Forbes and fast company is what the petition says that they don't know they [TS]

  do have links to it at the bottom so if you go to that petition page that [TS]

  helping Forbes let me look at their page anymore [TS]

  iphone 7 leaks quote confirm Avila banding headphone jack so i got this [TS]

  like it's like they've got a different dictionary exactly it when they did put [TS]

  the word converted quotes that's great that's great that's just a little better [TS]

  than putting proves it in quotation what's it's like reality but maybe not [TS]

  the Fast Company headline is it's true [TS]

  colon apple will drop headphone jack to make the iphone 7 slimmer comma says [TS]

  source I i would say that the Fast Company was probably the most reliable [TS]

  it's also locate so I didn't having exactly ask you this do you think this [TS]

  will happen i do okay because i feel like it has to happen eventually [TS]

  and so why not now [TS]

  ok and what are you what are some of the benefits i guess the most obvious one [TS]

  apparently is that it is the gating factor for getting the phone any thinner [TS]

  well maybe the counter-argument to that is that the current ipod touches are [TS]

  significantly thinner than the iphone the current iphone and so and they still [TS]

  have the standard headphone jack and there are ipods other you know like [TS]

  regular non iOS ipods that are even thinner still that still have that port [TS]

  but like on the ipods that are thinner that have that port that there's like a [TS]

  chin area where that the inserted part of the headphone jack doesn't actually [TS]

  go underneath the display remember which makes it easier engineering lies on the [TS]

  ipod touch it does its it it could you could make a significantly thinner [TS]

  iphone and keep this port but without question any every port you remove is [TS]

  got to make it the device smaller and lighter [TS]

  yeah when it's also i mean there seems like there's several i'm an engineer [TS]

  obviously but you know it's comments and let them that if ya gettin worked out [TS]

  and don't even replace it with another port of any kind of this every every [TS]

  every dingus you can take off of there it could mean all kinds of things it [TS]

  means it means more space to do anything with that area including what components [TS]

  you can put their in its place [TS]

  remember also we're talking about like at least one three quarters of an inch [TS]

  of depth you've got an engineer around with that [TS]

  yeah i think this and it's already got that depth accounted for i actually [TS]

  think if you could pick the brains of like a hardware engineer at apple who [TS]

  work specifically on these problems of how do we cram all the stuff we [TS]

  absolutely need and get the biggest possible battery that we can given the [TS]

  insane [TS]

  thinnest that Jony Ive's team has saying we're supposed to build this at i would [TS]

  say i would bet that if you talk to one of the engineers on it works on that [TS]

  here's what Johnny's team says we're supposed to be able to build how do we [TS]

  make this reality that the depth of the jack into the device is actually a [TS]

  bigger problem than the 3.5 millimeter diameter as well as I'm gonna I don't [TS]

  think I don't know electronic spend as well as i'm guessing being one of the [TS]

  most difficult parts in terms of moisture the Lightning I don't know I [TS]

  feel like did I talk to you about my weird lighting thing last year where one [TS]

  particular pin on my lightning cable had turned like a bluish green all of my [TS]

  chargers know the exact same pin on both sides and it and I wondered if it was a [TS]

  hardware virus but basically LOL @ and then also know my devices were charging [TS]

  as well and it looked like basically an aquamarine is that the kind of dark blue [TS]

  green yeah like a dark blue green crayon had been very lightly smudged on the [TS]

  same pin 6 different lightning Jax is that insane but it must i'll bet the [TS]

  problem must have been with the device that you had a device where the internal [TS]

  what caused what is the question it's the driver Jeff being talking about the [TS]

  hardware virus that Google to hear about that now i don't think i have i love the [TS]

  story that hardware virus i'm giving minutes of mull that over in your head [TS]

  that a hardware virus at Google where basically people's DVI Jack what he [TS]

  called he called the the female on the laptop to Jack I think it's people's DVI [TS]

  Jack's stopped working the port sorry the port stopped working and they all [TS]

  had this same they appear to other people would notice that they were going [TS]

  to plug in the projector didn't work they go and look and this one pin had [TS]

  gotten my kind of basically been distorted inside all these different [TS]

  people's laptops in and so that you would go and if you're whatever room you [TS]

  look at the plug and that plug was messed up your laptop is messed up [TS]

  suddenly everybody's noticing all the laptops and all the plugs are messed up [TS]

  and you can figure out why write it all started with one slide projector having [TS]

  a [TS]

  you can pin and passing that defect on to any piece of hardware that plug into [TS]

  and then consequently each piece of pop art hardware the plug into that computer [TS]

  then got it to which would then pass it on everybody else that's insane [TS]

  it's incredible what an amazing idea i've never heard of that before and now [TS]

  it's kind of amazing it doesn't happen more often so that was my first thought [TS]

  isn't that how Skynet started is that the 190 Robocop Terminator oh sorry yeah [TS]

  that's right that's right that's how that started so i don't i don't know [TS]

  much about that you know what's funny is like I i can't believe i'm living in an [TS]

  age where my phone feels too thin and my touch ID seems too fast like it when I [TS]

  take the naked robotic or out of the leather case and I hold in my hand I [TS]

  have to tell you my success prime feels like a little too thin [TS]

  it's not that comfortable to me I don't think I wanted to be any thinner [TS]

  yeah and I wish I now to get like right now and see if I have any messages i use [TS]

  my pinky now because I want to be able to see the lock screen before it turns [TS]

  on it's so impossibly fast now could you ever imagine the damage something a [TS]

  grown man with bitch about ya know it still gets me when I want to take a [TS]

  photo like something is happening like oh my god I got a picture of this right [TS]

  now but right I developed the habit a few years ago when they added the [TS]

  feature where there's a camera shortcut on the lock screen swipe up remembering [TS]

  that in but and I've when i'm normally using the phone i I'm getting better at [TS]

  if I really do want to see the lock screen I know to use the side button to [TS]

  wake it up instead of the fingerprint button that's good yeah but when I but [TS]

  when I mean like that emergency holy cow there's a squirrel eating a you know [TS]

  eating a duck eating it [TS]

  yes there's a score leading a duck I don't have time to think i have to think [TS]

  to use that side button I just instantly go to the home button and then I met you [TS]

  know that's yi like muscle muscle reflex and now i'm looking around for all man [TS]

  right yeah and now it's like my twitter client is open and I'm like a look at [TS]

  this onto it starts shaking an old man like always and I wanna get back to the [TS]

  screen i was on by the way I want to i'm thinking about writing about this but I [TS]

  actually looked up I had the same problem you just went to verb [TS]

  only a minute or two ago there about the the word Jack and is Jack when you talk [TS]

  about the headphone jack is the jack the the mail or is it the female it ends up [TS]

  here's the deck different dictionary definition is it good [TS]

  I socket with two or more pairs of terminals designed to receive a jack [TS]

  plug so it is the female but it in the dictionary this is the Apple dictionary [TS]

  which is what like american heritage or something they describe it as needing [TS]

  two or more pairs of terminals so like I i feel like the dictionaries wrong on [TS]

  that case because every you know it doesn't seem like they have a definition [TS]

  that would work with headphone jack where there's just one terminal with [TS]

  that that's jack or socket jacket [TS]

  jaaack jacket a socket with two or more pairs of terminals designed to receive a [TS]

  jack plug so that's the female headphone dingus Jack they're saying that she [TS]

  called Jill there's hey there they should I thought of that that it does [TS]

  seem like maybe the right [TS]

  the jet airplane food and a rocket Jack so they're saying it's a jack is the [TS]

  socket and the jack plug is the plug [TS]

  oh ok in the what you call the pig face thing that you get 110 electricity out [TS]

  of in your house is that out legal an outlet i would normally call it an [TS]

  outlet but i might call it which we jack your plug into the socket you call that [TS]

  an outlet yeah my call it a jack casually i would prefer to call it Jack [TS]

  because I feel like it's jack is a pretty good word [TS]

  uh-huh i feel like with headphones in casual speaking you can kinda it doesn't [TS]

  make any logical sense but that you can kind of get away with calling the male [TS]

  and the female jack [TS]

  no just take that if you got your headphones just take the jack and plug [TS]

  it into the jack jack in the jack [TS]

  yeah yeah absolutely take the headphone jack and just plug it right into the [TS]

  jack on the phone white what do you are what do you make of the the apparent [TS]

  obsession with increasing thinnest what do you make of that I mean I'm gonna say [TS]

  we make money make that I did you do you like that do you feel that it is useful [TS]

  and important and why in particular do you think it seems like such an [TS]

  obsession in [TS]

  side the white room to make things thinner and is that a thing because it [TS]

  feels like a thing I don't know anybody I don't know I can't think of anybody I [TS]

  know who's top of the list even the top five would be I want a thinner phone [TS]

  pretty much everybody i know says I wouldn't who knows this could be at [TS]

  cross-purposes like with your think thinking fast mind you're thinking slow [TS]

  mind but like everybody I know says they would like to get more battery I don't [TS]

  know anybody that says I want to thinner phone i asked shoulder about that when [TS]

  he was on the show at WWDC and he gave a good answer at least at the time I was [TS]

  like damn that's a good answer and damned if I can remember it I was [TS]

  backstage backstage drinking I don't remember [TS]

  damned if I can remember it I i don't know i don't know what to make of it [TS]

  because it's gone past the point where I care like I'm impressed now like when I [TS]

  go to one of these apple events and it's the year when you get a new form factor [TS]

  and then they have a monitor you know Apple table backstage and you get to [TS]

  study them and see out then they are and it's like wow that is then but I think I [TS]

  honestly be even started I honestly I don't think that the thickness of the [TS]

  things ever really mattered to me i like the original iphone i didn't think it [TS]

  was too thick and I think starting somewhere around the four ya the four [TS]

  and the four ask the one that had the glass back glass front glass back but [TS]

  still it's still my favorite the 4 s's don't like my favorite form factor at [TS]

  that at that point I i thought this is good this is fantastic this feels so [TS]

  great in my pocket [TS]

  it's you know this is great I'll uh and then when they made the next one even [TS]

  thinner i was like wow that's amazing but I didn't think this is better for me [TS]

  like they could have stopped at the thinness of the four 4s and I'd be happy [TS]

  if they just packed it with battery [TS]

  well you know I like the guy i doing something hideous obviously I'm glad to [TS]

  see enhancements to the phone i like this faster like it's bigger it's all [TS]

  that kind of stuff but like to me the 4s design still you know the whole like [TS]

  chamfered edges or whatever they called it that still feel so classic to me now [TS]

  that has live in 5s at the 5 and 5s yeah [TS]

  we know that was before that was one had the glass back and it just had metal [TS]

  sides they were like it wasn't chamfered though it was alright i see but that [TS]

  yeah i guess in my head I think of that yes I see what you're saying [TS]

  yeah but I still think of that as like i'll remember that as the classic iphone [TS]

  look I think yeah i don't know i like the rounded ish edges [TS]

  yeah I'm sorry I misspoke yeah this one looks like a mophie before there was a [TS]

  movie right it's got that without metal edge was the antenna gate phone [TS]

  yes yeah right God look at I'm looking at just what the OS look like oh my [TS]

  goodness oh my gosh it's so I don't hate it though i don't know i'm not gonna [TS]

  blanket party on forestall like I think I don't know man it's it's when the [TS]

  iphone got good you know he was still there running the show so thinnest yeah [TS]

  so i don't know i don't know you know it gets I have to always in my head [TS]

  discount the fact that you know the way that we know that but I'm talking about [TS]

  the cannon book Thinking Fast and Slow yes it's yes an amazing book but you [TS]

  know there are the ways that when we stop and think and meta think about what [TS]

  we're doing is actually very different from the way that we think from day to [TS]

  day it's there's just been setting aside the research there's just the anecdotes [TS]

  there's so much stuff about like what we think we want versus what we actually do [TS]

  and how what we actually use and how we actually process information if you ask [TS]

  anyone who's a gambler whether gambling is a good way to make lots of money and [TS]

  you say to them they will say no it's not it's done that I do this it's done [TS]

  that I drink it's done that again what's done i do these things it doesn't change [TS]

  the fact that we still do it so i have to guess that there's something going on [TS]

  a sub rosa level here where there they are [TS]

  there's some reason that they are making these things the way they are making [TS]

  them and it may not exactly comport with the way that my brain thinks that these [TS]

  things should be made that they must have their reasons right that's what I [TS]

  try to think I try to I tried to remain on emotional about it like i don't see [TS]

  it and I don't get it but I feel like it's of a itself apart with the outrage [TS]

  over the headphone jack [TS]

  yeah where I don't want to be the one who is outraged that they've made this [TS]

  the next iphone even thinner and the battery life isn't any better [TS]

  you know when obviously if they'd you know kept it the same thickness and just [TS]

  it added a little more battery they could have made battery better [TS]

  that sounds good better to me and I know that there's these you know little laws [TS]

  of physics that affect image quality of the camera where the longer to the [TS]

  distance you have between the lens and the sensor it helps to have a bigger [TS]

  state you can have a bigger sensor with bigger pixels and therefore get better [TS]

  image quality i understand that it is i don't get it seems to me come my My look [TS]

  at it as common senses if they kept the thinnest the same at this point then [TS]

  they could have more battery which would increase battery life and they could [TS]

  have better image quality on the camera which are like the two things that I [TS]

  care about most [TS]

  this is using the camera and the battery and they keep me instead they keep [TS]

  making it thinner [TS]

  I don't get it but I don't assume that there's no good reason for it or that [TS]

  the only reason is a like Jony Ive's personal obsession with the thinnest I i [TS]

  get that there must be something I just don't see it [TS]

  right right and and I think for folks who are technologically inclined [TS]

  scientifically inclined or even rationally inclined you might want to [TS]

  look at something like you know this case the thinness of the phone and you [TS]

  can come up with half a dozen reasons why making a thinner is not a good idea [TS]

  or you know or is not the first good idea but at the same time you could look [TS]

  at stuff like the skeuomorphism that goes into automobiles we know in terms [TS]

  of like making this sporty we look even more sporty than it needs to look for [TS]

  the sportiness of it like that actually helped make it a better car not not in [TS]

  the usual sense but makes more attractive to people having it create [TS]

  more like making it make more engine noise than it needs to make does that [TS]

  make it a better car not really not in engineering sense but there's a reason [TS]

  there's reasons for all of this stuff that it goes beyond simply fashion but [TS]

  there's something about like when you're using it [TS]

  this makes you feel a certain way and that's why people keep going back and [TS]

  buying the same brands over and over the Latino yeah I out channel try to channel [TS]

  my inner syracuse it here and I feel like Syracuse it if he's listening is [TS]

  champing at the bit here because I feel like he could explain this best but like [TS]

  that the the [TS]

  end result eventually is that these phones are just gonna be pieces of glass [TS]

  you know like remembered you see the movie looper yeah like this so basically [TS]

  it's like or even like parks and rec that is basically be a little bit like a [TS]

  clearly a floating screen kind of thing just yet just it's just just the piece [TS]

  of glass just for you know maybe it's on class maybe it's a polycarbonate but [TS]

  just the screen and it's when it's off it maybe it's even try and loosen and [TS]

  everything is built into it to get from here to there they have to keep making [TS]

  everything better and that they know that that's where it's going and in the [TS]

  meantime they have they have to keep pressing the gas pedal on making these [TS]

  things thinner even though it's at the expense of trying to also it's working [TS]

  counter to making battery life better and counter to making the camera better [TS]

  they have to keep working on all three because that's inevitable and if they [TS]

  don't do it somebody else will [TS]

  because we're still thinking about a power device as relying on the kind of [TS]

  power with the kind of constraints that we do right now in the same way like [TS]

  think about the leap from CRT to LED like I mean making that the that mental [TS]

  model that leap from what a TV is what a TV looks like how is it that within like [TS]

  less than 10 years we went from a TV being what an 80-pound box into being [TS]

  almost like a plane right i mean that but that's that takes an entire quantum [TS]

  leap course if you ever opened up a TV or opened up a stereo like a crappily [TS]

  made stereo system it's all air inside there's no reason for any of that is [TS]

  just it's just cheapest to make that way with stock components so that's kinda [TS]

  what you're saying right is that like if we look at this is more than what axis [TS]

  changing in the future you can't help but think that there's going to be some [TS]

  evolutions we don't in the near-term understand evolution but changes we [TS]

  don't immediately understand [TS]

  yeah i also wonder if there might not be a very practical near-term product [TS]

  marketing angle on it which is that Apple and other companies as well might [TS]

  know that if they made the device let's just say that the iphone 7 coming out is [TS]

  the new iphones called the iphone 7 it's coming out later this year and it's [TS]

  thinner than the iphone 6 [TS]

  that's probably all everything I just said is what I guess is going to happen [TS]

  because it's what's been happening for years now i don't have anybody I don't [TS]

  know any sources have told me that but it's a very logical guess Apple might [TS]

  know that if they made the iphone 7 the same thickness as the iphone 6 even [TS]

  though they could make it thinner but if they made it thicker and use that extra [TS]

  thickness to increase the battery life and maybe get rid of the maybe if image [TS]

  quality isn't even better than it would be otherwise but there's no you know the [TS]

  camera lens doesn't stick out from the back which would make me very happy [TS]

  they might know that in the long run that would make people happy but that in [TS]

  the short run if they did that and then people go into a verizon or AT&T store [TS]

  and side-by-side with a samsung that is thinner even if it's an expensive [TS]

  battery life [TS]

  oh yeah that you know that they have a reasonable reason to believe that x [TS]

  number of people will then pick that Samsung because wow look how thin this [TS]

  is and walk out of it even though in the long run they might have been happier [TS]

  with the thicker phone that gets better battery life but at the point-of-sale [TS]

  that thing this one looked thin this has curve appeal / like bullet stats right [TS]

  and you know in in that sense of like that's a really interesting way to put [TS]

  it [TS]

  you know you think about what she wants you what you buy when you just walk into [TS]

  the store like and how it makes you feel in the moment that could actually have a [TS]

  huge impact [TS]

  yeah I i really and it's a little i know that there aren't the nerds out there [TS]

  the people who you know either do think more logically the most people or at [TS]

  least like to think that they think a lot more logically than most other [TS]

  people and I suspect there's a lot of people listening to us right now whoo [TS]

  hoo that applies to think that makes me angry because I'm so logical that would [TS]

  never for me a you might be fooling yourself about just how emotional you [TS]

  know the emotional context of buying it [TS]

  you know what'd be even if you do have a good point because you pre-order your [TS]

  phones and and you buy your new iPhone before you ever even seen it in person [TS]

  you can't underestimate the head that when you're selling in the quantities [TS]

  that apple sells at that most people are not like the people listen [TS]

  into this child yeah but also AM what feels like a real change in attitude [TS]

  from you know over the years I don't think also will change in attitude but [TS]

  you know there was a time when being somebody who said hey look you know just [TS]

  give me exactly what I want in this device and then leave me alone and stop [TS]

  trying to make this pretty somebody said that in 1999 would you guess that that's [TS]

  a Mac user or pc user that really sounds like pc user to me [TS]

  yeah me too right the the there was a time when you know one of the one of our [TS]

  many in dignities in the Apple community was that we did by and large we [TS]

  certainly could do more at a certain time on your Mac wasn't as reliable [TS]

  stable but you know that's that's been the trade-offs overtime but this is kind [TS]

  of funny to me that everybody comes in [TS]

  it's like you know all that whatever the six different guys you know the six [TS]

  blind men describing an elephant like everybody's holding a different part of [TS]

  the elephant when they describe it and it is kind of funny like how quickly [TS]

  like we can go down this personal rathole of having exactly the idea of [TS]

  what we would want in a phone but exactly the idea of what we wanted a [TS]

  phone if we actually sat down with people in a room would end up being [TS]

  surprisingly different from person to person there has to be somebody there at [TS]

  some level making those executive decisions about what they can do and [TS]

  make well at scale [TS]

  you know I don't know maybe I'm pulling on my ass but I do feel like so you know [TS]

  you eventually get into this homers car type situation with people were you know [TS]

  all you know what I love to have a way bigger phone or a way smaller phone or [TS]

  i'd love to have a way longer battery life or you know everybody's got their [TS]

  in your case with with the with the camera most people I i'm gonna guess [TS]

  don't know I don't know enough about the camera to know that thing about the [TS]

  length of the lens and things like that [TS]

  length of the lens and things like that [TS]

  otherwise otherwise they weld a lot of these arguments you know it on [TS]

  common-sense level though right like when you look at the the the sideline [TS]

  guys at the Superbowl shooting the photos for Sports Illustrated what other [TS]

  cameras look like they're these giant lenses because there's definitely some [TS]

  admit you know I didn't teach what's your point about the Kirk what I'm [TS]

  calling the curb appeal part for example what you said you wish the lens didn't [TS]

  stick out when i think of the camera on my phone I think of that lens I don't [TS]

  think about what's going on inside [TS]

  I think about that lens and I think about the fact that every time I put my [TS]

  phone down I feel a little nervous and I feel a little bit unsettled in OCD way [TS]

  about that thing sticking out more in the example of talking about the [TS]

  headphone jack the audio jack [TS]

  I mean like we were sort of getting too i mean how many people think about that [TS]

  in terms of a cylinder versus a circle if you take my meaning [TS]

  I think the Rose people think about the gating factor of right which call it [TS]

  there they don't have a circle not-not-not a tube right there w is [TS]

  actually a much bigger deal right in the circle right they think of the diameter [TS]

  that portrait as opposed to the depth of the port right so it or not to apply [TS]

  that same analogy you know when you talk about the camera [TS]

  I think of a hoop and you think of a cylinder yeah right and so so you know [TS]

  for anybody else to go no look it's a hoop you can make that as fine as you [TS]

  want but no no actually that's a cylinder and that that does have an [TS]

  impact and this is one case where you know these two things this the bigger [TS]

  this gets the better the phone is the smaller this this thing is the better [TS]

  the phone gets and those two we're going to do [TS]

  yeah you're gonna make it look an imac box like what would you do if you can [TS]

  make it like a ramp or a wedge i would love to I i like to imagine i would like [TS]

  to have been it just see a transcript even just a transcript of like meetings [TS]

  within Apple where it was explaining to Johnny I've that ok but the the camera [TS]

  lens is going to protrude mean it's going to protrude well it's gonna [TS]

  visibly be not flat [TS]

  well how much we talking to everyone about a monocle here we are Johnny it we [TS]

  have made her drive you in 60 we've made of and [TS]

  we've made a prototype here at his and the first time he grabs that 3d printed [TS]

  thing he goes my Emmy turns around he places it on the desk and it goes [TS]

  look up look up look but because it's not flat [TS]

  can you imagine in my god that i bet he was just slamming xanax after that we [TS]

  just got to make him so crazy it's always going somebody pair of gloves [TS]

  with that with a built-in hangnail on it like that can we have without the [TS]

  hangman ok the number on the iPhone 6 all of you know six success and the plus [TS]

  models is to me like one of the most fascinating things that's ever come out [TS]

  of Apple because he if you have to know the company's history and their [TS]

  obsessions and the sort of that the people who work there care about it's [TS]

  what got couple three millimeters maybe I don't even know how you admit I mean [TS]

  it's a real real small but on the other hand on your finger has no problems like [TS]

  oh no run over it like a wart well yeah that's a more likely a canker sore [TS]

  yeah it yourself you can't who can cost up doing this [TS]

  yeah you're not doing it because you like your dick is you can't stop these [TS]

  kids up the compulsive alright let me tell you take a break take a break here [TS]

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  you know i love my igloo is I'm just repeating what you said but you know [TS]

  there's so many of these things were like you feel like you get into a piece [TS]

  of software even some very good pieces of software you feel like you're really [TS]

  entering into a world view where you have to learn to think like the people [TS]

  who made it [TS]

  yep as an example of a famous company that we both admire you got need to [TS]

  think like that one guy and then you'll really get the software anybody glue is [TS]

  like there's nothing you have to do you can just shut off the stuff you don't [TS]

  need there's something very satisfying about knowing the features are there but [TS]

  you don't have to have them on you can make it look the way you want and it [TS]

  doesn't have to be like a world-changing philosophy that you adopt in order to [TS]

  make the tool work i love that [TS]

  yeah it's you know it's sort of like a you know it's overused analogy but sort [TS]

  of like a Lego approach to making toys for it you know it's not like here's the [TS]

  toy you have to use it exactly this way you just put the pieces together the way [TS]

  you want [TS]

  well put [TS]

  all right let's start the show yeah you ready to go just recording well do have [TS]

  you [TS]

  the main thing that I mean I don't know if there's anything else you want to [TS]

  talk about but I i want to talk about the Godfather go home man come on i [TS]

  gotta pick up my kid in like an hour hand he just briefly it's um you know [TS]

  okay [TS]

  yes yes so I did not see this coming I don't know if they kept it secret or if [TS]

  I'm gonna tell me who doesn't know where to look for stuff like this but it was [TS]

  like I don't know just a couple days and i saw on cocky site first where Kottke [TS]

  was like hey HBO is going to have the Godfather epic on on a HP the regular [TS]

  HBO on TV which and to me it doesn't make any sense i don't know how this [TS]

  whole thing makes almost no sense the Godfather epic the Godfather saga [TS]

  whatever you wanna call which version you tell what it is [TS]

  yeah then want them to the story that I heard was that one . you know the [TS]

  godfather and the godfather to have just been so huge so critically acclaimed and [TS]

  some point somebody got the idea to make it a miniseries that you could show on [TS]

  TV and with the idea being that cocoa and personally supervise a putting this [TS]

  together in putting it together for TV meaning be taking out the stuff that [TS]

  would be you know too violent in that case but also seek doing in [TS]

  chronological order of the scenes in The Godfather wanted to write so far so good [TS]

  so that ran as a miniseries over i think two or three four nights in the [TS]

  seventies or eighties and then I I can't John I've been looking for a copy of [TS]

  this for so long it's hard to find a sammich that copy that copy of this let [TS]

  alone look legit one like you can find like maybe sometimes a VHS multi VHS or [TS]

  there it's just it's one of those things that's very hard to find but it's not [TS]

  it's not the not the place to start i would say it like it is [TS]

  if you are a godfather fans have its such with the new scenes or old deleted [TS]

  scenes brought back as a whole new way to watch the movie so what it's you [TS]

  you can go if you have HBO Go or HBO now it's AI don't know why they have to run [TS]

  things HBO Go is what I have because I still have cable TV and I have HBO so if [TS]

  you have take people to manage recognize HBO Go if you don't your quote-unquote [TS]

  cord cutter [TS]

  that's me sign of that you sign up for HBO now which is exactly like HBO Go [TS]

  except you just pay for it and didn't mean there's got to be a very [TS]

  interesting reason why that is what you think I guess and it's like maybe like [TS]

  well I think we ask but I think license can't exactly the same stuff i think you [TS]

  have all the exactly so I think it's like the way that you have to login is [TS]

  different i just don't know why they don't make two different apps for it [TS]

  I don't know or maybe there's some way that maybe maybe it's so that they can [TS]

  just say here's how many HBO now users we have I say sure I don't know but [TS]

  anyway but you haven't either with seemingly out of nowhere this thing that [TS]

  is like it's I've got it in well in places where one can find things off [TS]

  certain trucks I've been looking for this thing for five years because i [TS]

  remember when it would come on TV what woman in reruns you will come on [TS]

  sometimes I'm like what like USA [TS]

  I guess ya une in the nineties but they never had this one that the one that's [TS]

  chronological order or did they [TS]

  well I think that's like I think was originally called The Godfather sog I [TS]

  don't think so too [TS]

  you gotta go to Wikipedia page because I think there is there also a version that [TS]

  has three in it [TS]

  I think so yeah yeah and a difference i mean like so and i don't think i had i [TS]

  don't think the Godfather saga had to cut seem to put back in [TS]

  okay look I don't think i could your own i had seen when Michael goes to chicago [TS]

  to find help me out not Thomasina fabrizzio I remember is definitely see I [TS]

  very much remember that and I remember thinking that's the scene i'm glad they [TS]

  put in there's a lot of things on command that's sure glad they put in but [TS]

  I thought that was great the Great him finding 4bt on be able to work we need a [TS]

  spoiler alert here [TS]

  yeah probably i don't think it's a big deal it's a big deal jack so you should [TS]

  if if you've never seen the Godfather or if you haven't seen it in forever and [TS]

  and would like to re-watch it and keep it fresh [TS]

  you should start stop listening to the show if mostly to say my thanks to glue [TS]

  around and back plays my thanks two morrow and man [TS]

  and you can stop the show and my advice and I think you'll agree with me by my [TS]

  ending advice to you is just watch the god watch the cinematic releases of the [TS]

  Godfather one and godfather to as originally released in chopped up you [TS]

  know spoiler alert and chopped-up chronological order [TS]

  yeah well you're not chopped up as as in like a you know charlie kaufman movie or [TS]

  something no but it's you know but it but it'sit's yeah but I mean watch [TS]

  godfather one godfather to each one is better than the other [TS]

  they're awfully awfully good right in the best way to watch them really is the [TS]

  way that they were originally made whether there's flashbacks interspersed [TS]

  with you know you can appreciate so much more that's a little bit like a machete [TS]

  order type situation yeah well there's gonna be stuff I like i want to mention [TS]

  to you is like it's neat to see young Tessio when he's young but like it's way [TS]

  more fun to get all my god that's totally a bogota like that's really cool [TS]

  like you appreciate it more in a Darth Vader kind of way [TS]

  yeah hey John thanks for having me on this has been great and may your first [TS]

  child be a masculine child [TS]

  all right now for those of you or like to get that the reason i love this the [TS]

  the godfather and again I don't think it's the better way to watch it I would [TS]

  never say that and I don't think anybody would i but i think it's a fascinating [TS]

  way to watch it if you're like me and you somebody who's watched it the [TS]

  umpteen times I mean it's a terrible way to watch it for the first time in right [TS]

  but it's a great way to watch it if you're overly familiar with it because [TS]

  it is sort of like when you're used to listening to an album as an album and [TS]

  when you hear certain songs like I hear certain songs from rolling stones are [TS]

  led zeppelin or the band's albums i've listened to a gazillion times and when I [TS]

  hear the song I know what songs coming next and if i don't hear that song next [TS]

  it's not it's disruptive yeah but it's you know interesting it's an interesting [TS]

  juxtaposition and it's and it takes me out of my comfort zone watching this The [TS]

  Godfather epic does the same thing where I know what comes after this i know we [TS]

  go back to the nineteen-fifties and we see Michael do this and instead we stay [TS]

  in the nineteen tens and that's disruptive to me and it makes me see [TS]

  that in a new way [TS]

  plenum and it's funny because watching it in that order in this is much more a [TS]

  couple things to note I would be okay i am I thought you're laughing coughing [TS]

  dying need some white bread and get some white bread [TS]

  well I had two things first of all in the saga which is seven that's seven [TS]

  hours long right this isn't think is yeah i love it i took a twitter picture [TS]

  of it is you start playing it and it just comes up and it just shows on your [TS]

  TV as a seven-hour movie it's a seven-hour movie so two things to note [TS]

  is that first of all the first Godfather movie which I think was well over three [TS]

  hours to begin with is the lion's share because i think it's also where they [TS]

  added the most deleted or you know remove footage with it wouldn't be fair [TS]

  to say i may I feel like we were at least two-thirds of the way through the [TS]

  seven hours when it would we got into the godfather two part yeah right [TS]

  I it seemed like that to me too and then second of all the one that has been much [TS]

  more affected by this change in approach is got fucked his godfather to all you [TS]

  know in her obvious . wait a minute I'm sorry I'm an idiot because I'm not [TS]

  accounting for the stuff from nineteen alright yeah that's it [TS]

  duh duh yes so it starts out the movie The Godfather saga starts out with the [TS]

  is it's the funeral of vetoes father where Apollo get shot [TS]

  yeah I made this mistake you did right completely is so fucking stupid [TS]

  right but i do feel like i can't i can't Pepsi challenge this but i do feel like [TS]

  the movie that ended up having much more deleted footage was the first one [TS]

  not if for no other reason there's a lot more Marlon Brando therefore I mean I [TS]

  really noticeable a lot more Marlon Brando IMDb says that the Godfather was [TS]

  is a hundred seventy five minutes so it was you know as intended as or as only [TS]

  released it was close to three hours [TS]

  I mean a hundred seventy five minutes cause call it 30 wow I always thought it [TS]

  was over three hours [TS]

  well you know I mean once you get up close to three hours it's [TS]

  you know it's over three hours and everything I remember that is like I [TS]

  I've often thought of often sat down and watch the godfather and gone i can't [TS]

  believe the three hours just went by [TS]

  yeah you know it sounds silly but I mean it really goes by what are you an IMDb [TS]

  like versions i don't know i just wanted I just kind of keeping I just I just [TS]

  went IMDb the godfather and it's 1772 so I don't think it's any kind of special [TS]

  edition [TS]

  oh my gosh console versions I i found myself and i'm not i guess like with [TS]

  Star Wars I'm a little bit more of a superfan and I think any additional [TS]

  scenes to restored scenes i would instantly now and I've seen the [TS]

  Godfather many many times I there are a couple of the scenes that were added [TS]

  where I knew instantly wow I've never seen this before and then we are a [TS]

  couple when I was like wait a minute have I seen this [TS]

  yeah like when it went out Mary goes to talk to chick because the the guy who [TS]

  owns the casino a Klingon the claimant well looks like yeah whatever because [TS]

  APC died out in front of the dancers [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah okay I had this thought well first of all the scene right before [TS]

  that was talking at length with him and starts kicking his ass in the casino i [TS]

  was trying to remember is that in that's another diet that's one of the ones that [TS]

  I couldn't remember is it do i think it was added [TS]

  I think it yeah like that the whole thing with the dip and God you know it's [TS]

  so funny I was thinking couple loves big stage shows there's so many stage shows [TS]

  in The Godfather in the apocalypse now also you think about like all the stages [TS]

  with the playboy bunnies and stuff [TS]

  yep he's so great or like the donkey show with the show with Superman or like [TS]

  all the other shows in Havana it's really interesting that seems like such [TS]

  a big thing anyway that's like you know that's a scene that I I think had to be [TS]

  addicts I think it would have stuck out to me because to me it emphasized the [TS]

  the power dynamics because the casino is a very it you have to actually this is [TS]

  one of those things where the Godfather kind of blow man will do little grab-ass [TS]

  no grab-ass and casino right and there's no fighting in the casino like you don't [TS]

  you don't you know everybody knows you're going to casino and there's be [TS]

  security guys around there and they just all they're all they want to do is make [TS]

  sure there's no trouble and that the money just keeps flowing on the tables [TS]

  so like the way that you noticed to start banging a guy on the head in the [TS]

  casino to the way he's doing it it's so undignified right it's if I had to have [TS]

  a dictionary and animated harry potter picture of what I would call a bitch [TS]

  slap [TS]

  but even L nearly hitting clinic seems like four Klingon they're pushing [TS]

  Klingon out right i have i loved it i guess I can kind of see why they cut it [TS]

  you know that these movies are so long and that they really you know wanted to [TS]

  just cut every little bit of fat and and my boy there were a couple that really [TS]

  stuck out I'm trying to remember there were a lot involving backstory on Mike I [TS]

  think involving Michael Kay backstory stuff [TS]

  yeah I I'm you know I tonight I've it's seven hours long i didn't watch the [TS]

  whole thing but uh I've been skipping around to like significant parts [TS]

  yeah I feel like it really is a testament well first of all it is fun to [TS]

  watch in chronological order because it's just into I I never felt more must [TS]

  have never felt more empathy but it made me really appreciate the nearest [TS]

  performance i say that the interleaving was pretty great but it's fun to just [TS]

  see all the dinero in a row [TS]

  almost as a short story eh I you know I had to hyperbolic you can't you can't [TS]

  say something like this definitively but just to be a jackass on Twitter and [TS]

  after I got done with that first hour or so which is the dinero is young [TS]

  Vito I just tweeted the it's the greatest screen performance in the [TS]

  history of American cinema now do I really mean that i would put it up there [TS]

  with any performance that didn't a domain name one that's empirically [TS]

  better write it sits in that a plus let's just say that there's an a-plus [TS]

  category that you can't go past this is one of them [TS]

  yes some of the other people who disputed it there were others that were [TS]

  out there but it's it's as good as any performance I've ever seen because it [TS]

  does like it does likes 10 things at once like one it is completely [TS]

  convincing that he is the younger version of Brando that you saw in this [TS]

  movie [TS]

  before it is completely convincing that this is the same guy [TS]

  it's a different actor but it's it's like oh my god that's the guy and his [TS]

  carriage not even just to catch phrases his carriage and just yes the way that [TS]

  he pees exactly like veto but how you imagined him younger he z is very [TS]

  dignified and reserved and kind and you could see it before you know he became [TS]

  quite the tough guy he became and you feel that he could lose at any point [TS]

  well and the other thing that got stuck out to me and when you see it all [TS]

  condensed consecutively instead of being interspersed one of the things that [TS]

  jumped out to me and you know it i mean it but it just really sticks out to you [TS]

  that this is a guy who likes to listen more than he likes to talk and that [TS]

  might make a lot of logical sense for the character but it's not the way that [TS]

  movie characters are written right because it you tell an actor you don't [TS]

  have a lot of lines you know that's worse right that's not good [TS]

  deniro makes that work like where he's acting and he is telling you so many [TS]

  things about this character and it has almost nothing to do with what he says [TS]

  in your your your really articulating something I i didn't have words for when [TS]

  i watch this process again the last like three nights I've been watching this and [TS]

  you just really articulated something to me you're right in other movies and you [TS]

  know like a straw man but another movie is about the number of lines about how [TS]

  much you get to put in a pull a face and have an emotion but think about seems [TS]

  like thinking about everything with the narrow think about Robert Duvall [TS]

  throughout the movie [TS]

  yeah arm think about everybody like in the courtroom scenes so much is telling [TS]

  so much as telegraph so much is communicated by how each person mutes [TS]

  their emotional response right a famous scene like when now and then with the [TS]

  first sit down and and Vito to study never tell the family what you're [TS]

  thinking like never tell people what's on your mind right never tell anybody [TS]

  outside the family will be showing the outside the family what you're thinking [TS]

  right [TS]

  yes yes and and you see that throughout the movie like when when tom has to go [TS]

  into the place where the senator is with the you know within to talk about ya up [TS]

  with a little problem with your it had a little problem the girl and the scene is [TS]

  it's so awful it's so scary and it's so [TS]

  it's not only scary and awful but it's just he Gary is so undignified and the [TS]

  way he's trying to kind of like gather up the sheets while he's wearing a towel [TS]

  yeah but you but how does robert duvall in that case Telegraph so much of this [TS]

  all come on guy as well as oh my god I can't believe this is another fucking [TS]

  thing I have to do for the family to you it's all that I have a question about [TS]

  that scene because I i'm not in time [TS]

  it's so long i'm not done with this yet I think maybe around with you I'm about [TS]

  and maybe a little bit more than two-thirds I'm about three-quarters [TS]

  through it but I saw that scene last night did did the family set him up [TS]

  yeah yeah is that everybody clear or I just had a kind is not well I'm just [TS]

  telling you what I think I think they say in particular because our hagun [TS]

  makes Thomas a point of saying you're very you're lucky that this is Fredo's [TS]

  place [TS]

  yeah as we were able to come in and help you I think they probably slipped him a [TS]

  Micky yeah and one killed killed the girl [TS]

  yeah that's exactly what I think it's and that's why you can't you know [TS]

  remember anything right [TS]

  I've always liked to but I love that they don't make a record layout may I [TS]

  love in that role he's so good he's such a scumbag giri I like the way that he [TS]

  has he's he's at first time we see him at a young Anthony's first communion [TS]

  party and he's reading from these cards perfect it's perfect now with a special [TS]

  performance that like he's obviously has no idea what they're going to play [TS]

  I like it when I like it when he says vyto Corley I don't Carly on vital core [TS]

  Leon yeah he's good and his wife mrs. Geary yeah so then I said I said that [TS]

  this the Syracuse i think i said this to us this to other people think that [TS]

  strikes me throughout these movies maybe even especially godfather 2 is the minor [TS]

  roles [TS]

  there's so many people I like i remember i still remember like the cop who guides [TS]

  video out of the line at Ellis Island I remember the guy with the accordion and [TS]

  the glasses [TS]

  it went and when when Fredo greets Mike so Las Vegas [TS]

  i I just I filter so many faces in this movie that I remember so clearly either [TS]

  they want a speaking part they still feel like a giant part of the movie and [TS]

  the I the nurse who's the only other person in the hospital when micro just [TS]

  happens no and Michael happens upon his father and realizes he's not guarded and [TS]

  that nurse comes in and just says like you can't be here and says it with that [TS]

  sort of authority we're like let's just say that you're you know you're you know [TS]

  you're not your relative your beloved one is not an endangered member of the [TS]

  Mafia you just there to see somebody in your family is in the hospital and a [TS]

  nurse comes up to you and says to you in that in a sort of authoritative manner [TS]

  you can't be here right now you're like oh it's almost like you like you've [TS]

  wandered into where the medications are locked out but yeah you can't be here [TS]

  like you probably don't know it but you can't be in here you're in the wrong [TS]

  area [TS]

  it's it's a vivid performance it's like it you know she's got I don't know three [TS]

  or four lines but and but it's a great little interaction the way that Michael [TS]

  conveys to her you're not you're not giving at me out of here and be if you [TS]

  don't help me [TS]

  somebody's going to come in here and shoot my father totally totally agree [TS]

  yeah I started let's lift of this 25 long time ago five incredibly minor [TS]

  characters from The Godfather because there's and there's just so many and you [TS]

  know and I guess the game's read reviews somebody's telling me who is a producer [TS]

  on the film that actually also got left out to lucas from Coppola Francis from [TS]

  zoetrope by that [TS]

  yeah I mean whoever was responsible for getting those faces in their it they [TS]

  were really clicking on all cylinders on the cinematography everything about this [TS]

  movie it's so gorgeous how much darker could be seen as get you can barely make [TS]

  out the figures the shadows of two people in a room and get completely [TS]

  works [TS]

  no it's it's amazing and then when there is a scene and all of a sudden when [TS]

  there is a scene in the sunshine amazing the way we want it we talked about this [TS]

  before so we talked about this you watch the documentary where god I feel so bad [TS]

  that Haskell Wexler what's the guy's name was the cinematographers name [TS]

  Roger Deakins no it's not but it's I could just go look it up on the Internet [TS]

  yeah i hear a thousand people screaming Gordon Willis Gordon Willis changing [TS]

  said he basically stopping here if I got this wrong he lit those scenes but as [TS]

  dark as talking to mama and the house as light as the wedding outside the wedding [TS]

  is completely blown out to the edge of exposure can barely make out figures [TS]

  inside you know there's certain scenes like you can barely make up the figures [TS]

  he said if you move one stop in either direction it would ruin it would ruin [TS]

  the movie he was so particular [TS]

  he's like a few 51 if you move one stop up that is gonna screw up all the [TS]

  wedding scenes it's gonna be unusable if you once top-down you literally for [TS]

  people to see anything on screen in the boathouse right but it's just if it's I [TS]

  got a microcosm of like the way and then in the godfather to in the in the movie [TS]

  order that you're in the Michael Corleone error and then you go back to [TS]

  Young veto and right go back to Michael and then you go back to in The Godfather [TS]

  you're in this dark office that is so dark and so serious and so somber and [TS]

  then you're out there with this great italian music and the dancing and and [TS]

  the fun and the rain shine it's the same thing it's the exact same thing and it's [TS]

  just the right amount of this and then just the right amount of that but [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff where light ends up playing an important role or light [TS]

  almost becomes a character certainly in terms of like the with our question but [TS]

  think about the scene the entire sequence with going after fanucci during [TS]

  the parade [TS]

  holy shit like I just like I have like 50 things to say about that entire [TS]

  sequence how they pulled that off with the side you know tracking shots that [TS]

  they do and him on the roof but then the scene when he gets into the building and [TS]

  he's waiting outside the door fanucci and has towel and he undoes the light [TS]

  bulb know in the future comes up and does this like tap tap tap to get the [TS]

  lights back on and he's back [TS]

  ah it's just it's exquisite because the light is a I don't know it's just it's [TS]

  just so gorgeous light is a character in that scene i can't help comparing it [TS]

  because it's on my mind because the new movie came out [TS]

  and you know obviously Lucas and Coppola were peers and and good friends and come [TS]

  up at the same time and they know each other but to compare and contrast their [TS]

  stewardship over there [TS]

  fantastic seventies masterpieces [TS]

  yeah and when the ways that Coppola has gone back to the godfather and put the [TS]

  Godfather three side number one that got fired three is way better than the [TS]

  prequels for the Star Wars movies whatever you think of the Godfather [TS]

  three that's it's disappointing but it's not a dumpster fire right it's not you [TS]

  know right it's not a disaster right nobody nobody complained about the [TS]

  Godfather three the way they complain about the Star Wars prequels and then [TS]

  what he did with the Godfather one godfather two are things that like [TS]

  people like me and you are just praising to know and we're not saying hey don't [TS]

  watch them the way they were originally released for saying watching like that [TS]

  first and then watch it this way and you'll gain more perspective [TS]

  whereas what Lucas did with the quote-unquote special editions like and [TS]

  I got found myself thinking about talking about this i knew that i wanted [TS]

  to have you on the show this weekend we talked about this and I started thinking [TS]

  in my head of like what the like Lucas special edition of the gun fabric would [TS]

  be and like this day he would like CGI the faces like Michaels Michaels wounds [TS]

  from the cop beating him up would be much more like elaborate yeah exactly [TS]

  that's exactly one [TS]

  ok so one of the things that stuck out to me everybody knows Star Wars was [TS]

  groundbreaking special effects because it showed you these things that were [TS]

  impossible like a giant you know two-mile-long starship yeah [TS]

  whereas the special effects in The Godfather though are amazing i find that [TS]

  their street shot from for being made in like nineteen [TS]

  early nineteen seventies the street shots of like old New York whether [TS]

  you're talking the nineteen fifties or nineteen forties or you're talking all [TS]

  the way back to the 19 tens they're all a hundred percent convincing and I i [TS]

  right [TS]

  I'm guessing they did it with like matte paintings [TS]

  that's how they did a lot of like wide shots back then you know before the [TS]

  digital age [TS]

  but they're all just convincing and I don't know how they did it [TS]

  I'd I really don't but it's just they sweated so much of the details in I [TS]

  feels like to me like just dumb stuff like I was noticing when when Michael [TS]

  pulls up and i'm in Roth house and he's in like a Thunderbird that red and black [TS]

  thunderbird there's a little parking sticker in the window that looks [TS]

  completely contemporaneous to the time like somebody sweated that somebody got [TS]

  that and put that in there but also need to think about stuff like not to you [TS]

  know go for the obvious one but the authenticity of like some of the [TS]

  shootings [TS]

  yeah i mean i remember reading one time I think I saw a Life magazine article [TS]

  even as a kid about shooting the scene at the at the toll bridge with Sonny [TS]

  oh yeah and like what was involved in that I mean think about all the moving [TS]

  pieces in that it's it's mind-boggling or like the scene you know again the [TS]

  scene in it at at a what's called Lewis's or whatever at the scene at the [TS]

  yeah delicious restaurant that looks like a crime scene you're watching a [TS]

  crime scene happen you know they like when they didn't go to the mattresses [TS]

  you see all the black-and-white photos that's what it looked like [TS]

  and it's not pretty like when the captain gets shot in the throat or [TS]

  whatever like it is it does not look like a Chicago bank i'm shooting about [TS]

  when Moe green gets shot in the eye [TS]

  oh my god I can't even think about it i don't know it but they don't cut don't [TS]

  cut on the gunshot you it's like this like a beat [TS]

  he's laying down getting a massage she gets shot in the eye with those glasses [TS]

  and then and then takes a second he may be on to be telling the guy to maybe [TS]

  help him out do something with that back hair it looks up next another he's been [TS]

  shot through his eyeglasses right into his eye [TS]

  I don't know how they did it you do not talk to a man like Moe Greene like that [TS]

  i don't know green the other 1i guess is he supposed to be Meyer Lansky is that [TS]

  right yeah in the Romagna clay so who's the guy that warrant baby bugsy bugsy [TS]

  siegel yeah I think he's sort of about my simple [TS]

  with a lot of creative licenses you know sure you just better get to Bugsy Siegel [TS]

  cross with a bunch of other people like maybe a a not to piss off any group of [TS]

  people is still involved in that shirt business in 1971 and then be just you [TS]

  know make it a better story [TS]

  strasburg just lee strasberg just so so many things but like for me like the [TS]

  moment the moment when mike is at his house and says basically is it okay if [TS]

  we knock off you know Frank potentially and he takes the without he's looking at [TS]

  the football game he picks up a potato chip [TS]

  he says yeah a small potatoes oh it's a potato chip but remember they're talking [TS]

  about slicing up Cuba while they're literally slicing up a cake you but [TS]

  here's my note my notes are that I have a little note here written it says Hyman [TS]

  Roth equals Yoda oh yeah totally like evil Yoda he just came back to vote in [TS]

  the presidential election tonight will yes smart live out his life as a Jew in [TS]

  Israel I the other deaf seen that really it was sort of towards the expression my [TS]

  mind because it was sort of towards the end of where i paused it last night was [TS]

  when Carlo now this is a hole in this is Connie's first husband and he's he's [TS]

  been abusing Connie right well then she's pregnant and did it I'm did it [TS]

  purposefully did it to conclude with the bart with presenting Barzini knowing [TS]

  that when Sonny got the call Sonny was going to drive [TS]

  yeah as fast as he could straight over that you know they knew exactly which [TS]

  that is a really dumb plan that's gonna stay Carlo I know you're not the [TS]

  sharpest knife in the drawer [TS]

  how does that turn out well right but it's perfect his character would [TS]

  probably do that is characters like a small-time know it is already [TS]

  yeah there's that one little scene at a family dinner when he and it's it's [TS]

  foreshadowing where Sonny is running the show because the old man is in the [TS]

  hospital and sunny is talking business and Connie says we never talked about it [TS]

  you guys never talk business at the table when daddy was here [TS]

  going to use I i shut up a bra and then Carlos system hey you know I'd like to [TS]

  talk to you and Michael have in and sunny goes we don't talk business at the [TS]

  table with the right exactly exactly but it just shows you it's funny because it [TS]

  at first you think it's a funny way of sunny being a hypocrite and then later [TS]

  on Ovid it plays is Carlo wanting you know he kind of wants some attention [TS]

  from this but he wants to give it you know that will absolutely well here's [TS]

  the thing that's interesting and bewildering about that the this kind of [TS]

  Cosa Nostra world is that it seems to me that like the number one qualification I [TS]

  mean far from being you know Cecilia my guess is a family so if you're in the [TS]

  family regardless of your blood in the family blood family right right like [TS]

  we'll find something for you to do but after that like wow so much so much [TS]

  demonstrated competence and so much demonstrated loyalty like we're don't [TS]

  worry dude like we're not were not light on people we can find people who want [TS]

  this job but if you want to work in this place you're gonna have to have a [TS]

  surpassing level of both loyalty and competence neither of which carla has [TS]

  and he's not blood [TS]

  he doesn't understand that he did something that I think I mean my read of [TS]

  this [TS]

  he's in the family now why doesn't he get to be higher than Fredo right even [TS]

  though it but that's not how it works right well anyway when he gets killed [TS]

  oh my gosh he says because Michael places like a fiddle yeah he's like come [TS]

  on I can't kill you're my you're my you're my wife's husband and my god oh [TS]

  my god sons father [TS]

  yeah exactly in your career the plane you just gotta go out you to get on the [TS]

  plane gets in the car and they start strangling them any kicks the windshield [TS]

  out first hear the squeaking sound squeaking sign of his shoes rubbing into [TS]

  the right-field ah ha sounds time and it's it's this way that violence is it [TS]

  really it's unsettling even though I've seen this so many times I'm teen times i [TS]

  have said I can't count it i've seen it but it got to me it's like uncomfortable [TS]

  and it's because there's no cuts is no editing it's just a camera right on the [TS]

  hood of the car and the car just drop your price for a political what a [TS]

  brilliant shot to get that right to wear like first of all he kicks it and makes [TS]

  it makes a noise he kicks it again it gives a little he kicks it another time [TS]

  and [TS]

  shatters in a fairly believable way I think that was an easy shot to get oh I [TS]

  i was thinking about it because it [TS]

  no because the guys driving the cars motion with the car yeah exactly i mean [TS]

  who knows how you know whether kicking the windshield would I don't know how [TS]

  they mounted to the hood of the car but however they mounted the guy i don't [TS]

  even know like is there a way that they have the camera doesn't pan or move it [TS]

  also me i'm guessing that maybe they had it set up so that ran without a human [TS]

  operator I I don't know it seemed to me like Sir merch walter murch was the film [TS]

  editor is a set the sound designer for this when and the end of the first movie [TS]

  remember we talked about in toy story 3 the seatbelt the seatbelt you ever saw [TS]

  yeah when when Michael is in the study and they come in and they pledged their [TS]

  faithfulness to the godfather and al Amiri walks over to the door the krk [TS]

  again doors always so important that looks like the cuban guy doors mirrors [TS]

  but the K is standing outside watching this and you see a linear walk up making [TS]

  eye contact with the camera and he closes that door and that door closing [TS]

  is the door closing this door closes you've ever heard in your life like how [TS]

  did you get such a perfect sound of like oh when that door closes in case face [TS]

  right it's this is true it's the door closing historical does how much you [TS]

  love about meri man what a badass [TS]

  he's such a badass he's like and remember at one point that the dawn says [TS]

  to Michael is like you found your Luca Brasi even now male neri gets a gut he's [TS]

  still a badass [TS]

  yeah um I guess my raps and yeah kid at some point I don't talk about this all [TS]

  day buddy because mayo you know what to get your ex your star wars . though you [TS]

  know and it's it's it's not fair as a comparison because I'm sure there's a [TS]

  million differences but you know here's one here's one bald fact of this and [TS]

  this kind of goes to Spielberg is 222 in some ways where you know in the case of [TS]

  Spielberg and all three of them are proud of their work right you got a [TS]

  couple you got Spielberg you got Lucas in the case of Coppola he's so proud of [TS]

  his work that it means a lot to him [TS]

  have the best conceivable copy available George Lucas has claimed that there's [TS]

  not a decent single good copy of star wars to put together but you know what [TS]

  you know is in the same position fucking Francis Ford Coppola so if you watch [TS]

  that documentary you sit there your heart skips a beat when you watch what [TS]

  the actual footage after paramount had gone after going out you know basically [TS]

  cut out all of the other fades what they call that they had the long leaders [TS]

  between scenes that cut those out to put on they take an original copies of the [TS]

  film and butchered and so he basically i get sick they put some serious dough to [TS]

  do like a 4k scan and rebuild the film right like that's that's pride in what [TS]

  you do is that like yeah we've got all kinds of things we shuck and jive we [TS]

  made this into five different versions for TV there's different versions on [TS]

  video but like here is a version that week that will stand the test of time [TS]

  that we can all be proud of [TS]

  did you see that there's there's a new challenge . things floating around from [TS]

  of star wars the army extended know and a totally new one it's somebody found a [TS]

  35-millimeter print and have secretly been digitizing it and color correcting [TS]

  it frame by frame for years now i got shot my joking you it's a let me see [TS]

  here is there any like test footage out there I see if i have a link here it's [TS]

  it's called the negative one version so if you do Star Wars negative 1 negative [TS]

  number one out here we go team negative 1 yeah Tim May car was real three [TS]

  sampler yeah it's if you I mean not that I don't have it because you know i mean [TS]

  that's it wouldn't wouldn't be legit but if you did i see but if it did is this [TS]

  that might exist and it might be 2626 gigabyte MK bit okay okay but if you [TS]

  look just at the stuff that's out there it's a bunch of still frames her and [TS]

  they show you like what they had from that because they went from a [TS]

  35-millimeter print so that's not really that's not a great starting place now [TS]

  they want and that's a product not a source yeah they went from there and [TS]

  that's why they went through literally frame by frame and you know like sort of [TS]

  as they did with the Godfather right have to go through and frame by frame [TS]

  like rebuild this Indiana so just for example like one of the things that had [TS]

  to do with this negative 1 printed new hope was that it like the initial [TS]

  digital scans of the space scenes didn't even you could even see the stars they [TS]

  had to do work just to get the dip my good measure up to get the storm but [TS]

  they it's I I've literally I'm not even trying to be clear I don't have the [TS]

  digital copy what's out there [TS]

  look yet i'm 10 I mean like this is not this is not difficult to find [TS]

  information there's a site there's a several places you can get go to but one [TS]

  is called original trilogy right where they have discussion forums about the [TS]

  different versions that are out there right but one of the things though that [TS]

  it's like it with the what do you call the ones that are the d specialized [TS]

  additions that a lot of well there's there's two there's two did you think to [TS]

  general genres and people will correct me on this but I think one is uh fan [TS]

  edits where people like so that something like this is like the Phantom [TS]

  editor right where you go in and you kind of remake your own version of how [TS]

  you think it should be or all the way down to a fanfiction kind of idea making [TS]

  several movies together as fan edits and then what is the other version called [TS]

  like you've got that the Army is in kind of a different thing where harmony [TS]

  specialized versions are just what is the highest quality source version that [TS]

  is what was in the original theatrical release right basically putting together [TS]

  and then which is harder than it sounds because you have to get the sound [TS]

  editing right to but even with his versions i think one of the things [TS]

  that's lost just from going with all the diddling that Lucas Adam over the years [TS]

  is that the color correction is off and the film grain texture is gone from what [TS]

  you see and that it's it's the lord's work and it's the way i would recommend [TS]

  anybody watching those movies if they can get their hands on them but one of [TS]

  the things that that like its Lucas somehow had this version to the [TS]

  technical limits of film of the seventies and [TS]

  I it's like his as his sensibilities changed on the way you do color [TS]

  correction and and the color temperature of things they change those original [TS]

  things to do it whereas to mom again i can't say that i remember seeing the [TS]

  Godfather in the theater because it came out in theatres before i was born but it [TS]

  the way that Coppola has overseen you know that this footage it embraces the [TS]

  film grain and it embraces the color temperatures and and you know color mean [TS]

  like in the end I understand if I have watched the documentary a couple years [TS]

  but it is a very good documentary both as a story and as a technical document [TS]

  but that but basically the grain was not seen as certainly as noise part of the [TS]

  restoration was not screwing up the grain right where as part of the special [TS]

  editions and whatever for Star Wars was let's get rid of this grain that we [TS]

  wouldn't have if we shot it today which you know and anyway that's what this [TS]

  negative one issue of a new hope apparently you know it embraces the film [TS]

  grain and you can see it and that you know there's skies that on tattooing [TS]

  that are completely blown out which is the way it looked when we were kids [TS]

  instead of being bright blue like they are in the prints we know today [TS]

  oh my goodness that's so interesting I'll keep an eye out for that anyway [TS]

  yeah I don't you know I hate to be overly critical that's it so fashionable [TS]

  to beat up on George Lucas or what we perceive George Lucas to be but you know [TS]

  it's just the part the part that makes it difficult and complicated I'm not the [TS]

  first person to say this is that when we start to wonder if what we love about [TS]

  Star Wars what he loved about Star Wars not that has to matter but like I bet [TS]

  you could sit in a room with Coppola and watch that movie and he would be excited [TS]

  to watch it [TS]

  yeah where he would go I can't believe we got that like you know like just they [TS]

  can that shot you have no idea how hard it was to get that shot looking you know [TS]

  where as you know with Lucas I mean I wonder if he even enjoys any version of [TS]

  that film because it really just feels like it's an ongoing it's an ongoing [TS]

  christmas tree in his life that he's constantly redecorating depending on how [TS]

  he feels right now not based on like what the ideal version this would be but [TS]

  I don't know and I i know that's unkind but that's the part is where you go like [TS]

  it's really strange like when he got left to his own devices with a not [TS]

  unlimited but very generous budget didn't get battery he didn't produce [TS]

  what we explain what we hoped or like what you know when we thought of george [TS]

  lucas in seven years like he's the king of our imagination like he's got the [TS]

  best look up there with jim henson right in terms of like he gets something in a [TS]

  way that I just can't [TS]

  and he gets that on the screen and especially those first two movies [TS]

  yeah it's just weird when you're like you got a point where like what happened [TS]

  is this a cap grasping that they swap him out like who thought puppet meetings [TS]

  would be fun [TS]

  yeah I I think for the special editions in particular you could get you could [TS]

  effectively say an unlimited budget that to just make the original trilogy as [TS]

  good as he wanted to be four reissue in theaters now in preparation for the new [TS]

  trilogy just to get people excited again whatever it costs I'm sure it was well [TS]

  within the bounds of but what any studio you know what have you put up the money [TS]

  for and you know week we got like a bad that darkness or stuck in them [TS]

  Mos Eisley yeah exactly that's a better just like more and more advanced little [TS]

  rats running around [TS]

  yeah the john its hanging over the everything farting forget everything [TS]

  farts everything farts [TS]

  that's right that would be a great addition to the Godfather just add some [TS]

  farts for you can start noticing those oranges once you notice the oranges you [TS]

  really see the oranges doing there are so many oranges in these movies and it's [TS]

  never something good that happens after the guy comes in to begin to talk about [TS]

  his daughter who got you know left up flipping quickly so many right after to [TS]

  divide out right after video says you never come from a friendship before is [TS]

  to show you i'm not a callous man she was the best piece of ass I ever had [TS]

  mr. Wallace could you call me a car and under the girl this we got him [TS]

  you never get out of that Santino and then the same way that they they they [TS]

  made a han Solo look like you stepped on job as tail just make make robert duvall [TS]

  look like it lifts right but just worried like awkwardly shifts a little [TS]

  bit like help-help get it out in one box they're going around godmother to and [TS]

  introducing everybody Batista is introducing everybody at the meeting [TS]

  interna and from you tnt correspondent Rob okay somebody out there I don't know [TS]

  who is gonna be I'm just imagining somebody like a Joe steal somebody could [TS]

  do this [TS]

  Todd I'm sure Todd could do this could we please get at least one short [TS]

  supercut of the George listen George Lucas special edition of The Godfather [TS]

  with farts like that then that meeting and Cuba just some CGI add a bunch of [TS]

  like really rich Cuban food to the given four million bucks for it or not hurt [TS]

  when i take a piss [TS]

  whoa alright I think that's a show [TS]

  oh thanks for having me on Jonathan we helped a lot of people i hope the [TS]

  weekend goes okay i hope you see us survive make sure you pick up some extra [TS]

  bread gonna run out right now [TS]

  god I love you [TS]