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0:01:19now on with the show
0:01:26Joanna how are you in a while I think it has been a while but you hear no sirens
0:01:33and their dog like my last appearance on the show last appearance I think so yeah
0:01:41definitely very very angry angry angry listeners about the sirens as it has
0:01:51been a a very Joanna stern year and technology don't you think yeah just
0:01:57released me like 10 times well but I what I mean by that is that to me you
0:02:05are one of the most obsessed in our racket with you know laptop keyboards
0:02:15and tablets and you know where our portable computers going and it's been a
0:02:25crazy year in San and actually just had a conversation my editor about my column
0:02:30next week I think about she ditched the entire idea cuz it's too hard I hate to
0:02:35say that ditching some because you are but like trying to tell someone what to
0:02:40buy right now is just as to heart maybe maybe that's the angle to take though is
0:02:48to talk about how you can't really say here's what you should buy because it's
0:02:52too hard it really is too hard
0:02:55well I don't know I should not talk about what my idea was this someone just
0:02:59do it better than me but like my idea was that wanted to make a former chart
0:03:04it's like you just go in he tell Pete tell it this is what I want is what I
0:03:10want the computer to do this is how I use my computer this is the operating
0:03:14system I want and then it tells you what to get
0:03:16but making thats really really hard at the matrix has gotten very complicated
0:03:23so you could have been on and we did you know trying to work out a time works for
0:03:27you to be on the show
0:03:28at any point in like the last like two or three months to talk about the iPad
0:03:33pro or to talk about the surface book and the surface Pro for and all the kids
0:03:41and it's now we can just talk about moment and yeah and there is an iPhone
0:03:45before that then doing a lot of reviews a lot of products good products some not
0:03:54so good but really interesting to summarize this year I saw thing and I
0:04:01didn't see the breakdown maybe you did but I saw thing where you know every
0:04:05year there's with the Black Friday and the whole opening of the holiday
0:04:10shopping season that 64% of the online purchases over the weekend we're done on
0:04:20a mobile device
0:04:22downing the thing I don't know is what are they calling a mobile device is that
0:04:28doesn't include tablet or is that is it is it a breakdown by operating system I
0:04:35but isn't that I've been thinking about this for years but I feel like part of
0:04:41what makes this year but 2015 so interesting is that doing it by
0:04:45operating system really it doesn't make sense anymore
0:04:49very true I mean windows like right now I could be on their Windows Phone and
0:04:54they're actually on or they it says Windows 10 and they could be on like a
0:04:58fifty-foot desktop right and conversely right and conversely the the Apple's
0:05:07iPad the iPad Pro is gonna qualify bioassay as a mobile device but it's
0:05:16some definition it is certainly mobile where you're certainly using it you know
0:05:22without any connected to power in like they don't have to be
0:05:26but it's meant to be used on a desk of some sort or at least on your lap not
0:05:34like a handheld device right right I've been using mine more and more embed I
0:05:40like we've pretty much watched all of Jane Jane the Virgin on the iPad Pro
0:05:47it's really really interesting as a TV yeah like the last two trips and I've
0:05:56taken just took me I have this problem I have to take the air makes me feel
0:06:00better but it pretty much only used the Pro which you know that's the difference
0:06:06between when you like review something for a week and then you really start
0:06:08using it I just as it traveled device it's it's really good you know as much
0:06:17as it gets kind of crazy that you're just like kind of is the top of the
0:06:20laptop screen like just taking that off and having the screen without the
0:06:25keyboard to watch Netflix is is huge and it's like 90 times better than my my air
0:06:33so alright let's keep going with it let's keep going with talking about the
0:06:36iPad pro and we'll get to the other devices in due time I have found and
0:06:43it's one of the little things that really makes a huge difference between
0:06:49the and I know you mentioned this in your iPad pro review for the for the
0:06:52journal if you just look at the numbers 9.7 inch for the standard iPhone iPad
0:06:59size to twelve point whatever INS's this one is doesn't sound like a lot for some
0:07:04reason in my brain but in practice it's a tremendous difference and one of the
0:07:11things and I don't think I it's like you just said it sometimes it's so hard in
0:07:15one week one week you get between when you get a review unit and when the
0:07:19reviews come out it's hard to cover all the bases but I've heard this from a lot
0:07:24of people who you know readers fireball that
0:07:28it's a huge huge deal for anybody who deals with actual documents like 90
0:07:33lawyers for example everything they do is I get half by eleven pieces of paper
0:07:38and I've also heard from some people in education that for a teacher's it's a
0:07:44huge deal if you have like students submitting work in any kind of word
0:07:49processing document words page now they can you know they can read them right
0:07:54there on the iPad and it's not tiny it like the sides it's supposed to be and
0:07:58what I've done I I haven't been in a comic books in years but I started
0:08:03reading comic books on it and it's all the difference in the world like what I
0:08:08think one of the reasons I never really got into reading comic books on the iPad
0:08:11before is it was just too small and now I thought and inactive even tweeted a
0:08:17picture of it it's just like side-by-side with like an actual comic
0:08:20book it's it's like the actual size it absolutely standard size for a comic
0:08:26book and TV i think is a similar type thing we're like laying in bed or sit on
0:08:33a chair somewhere and just having it right in front of you it's it feels it
0:08:37fills your field of vision in a way that the iPad didn't ya and definitely for
0:08:43like sharing you know sharing a viewing experience it's great you that's why did
0:08:48feel like that the iPad would be small is like if you're watching a video with
0:08:52somebody you know especially in an airplane when you like your boat trying
0:08:56to watch the iPad in about the middle seat bar between you and you know it's
0:09:02it's just been great for watching Netflix together so that should be there
0:09:08next add just be like a shot of two people watching netflix on the iPad
0:09:13really close together for marketing seems like a perfect dad does have one
0:09:24like that with the music I seem to recall that there was an apple add that
0:09:28involved some sort of romantic moment where I don't know I get teenagers but
0:09:37they were sharing their headphones yeah
0:09:40I know and the tagline instant Netflix and chill I don't pick up was gonna put
0:09:45in place until I think that's what Apple's and do just put it right across
0:09:49the center of the ad they they sort of have a ban on contentious relationship
0:09:56with Netflix oh yeah i knows only semi competitive but maybe it's also better
0:10:05ad for the smaller iPad you know because if that's what you're really after you
0:10:08know you're watching a movie you're trying to get closer you probably want a
0:10:12smaller iPad so you can get closer together have gone too far with this so
0:10:22you still but you still take your MacBook Air everywhere you go
0:10:27yeah yeah it's i mean there's really a piece of shit now to looking at it and
0:10:34there's crime stuck in between the bezel on the right underneath the oh and the
0:10:40MacBook the first not the second is just like I think it's a piece of bread yeah
0:10:46really it's I went to potbelly for lunch so it's probably it's probably whole
0:10:52wheat bread anyway yes I take it I take it because I don't know why it take it i
0:10:59mean there's certain apps that I you really are not even some certain apps
0:11:02Photoshop I use during the day sometimes I do some video editing and stuff like
0:11:10that I think it's mostly comes down to the multitasking I think you know a
0:11:14reader asked me today on Twitter he was trying to decide between the iPad Pro
0:11:19and MacBook Air and I i really think it just comes down to chew things it's not
0:11:24power i mean it's certainly not power not screen because the probe kills it on
0:11:31screen all these other things I think it comes down to peripherals and
0:11:35multitasking what do you think is there something I'm missing
0:11:41yeah I think that covers it well and then the other the other day only other
0:11:48thing I could think of the two big ticket like this might be the primary
0:11:52reason that you decide would be are there apps that only exists on one or
0:11:59the other
0:12:00right you know and there are some that are many fact that exist on both you
0:12:07know there's also a great writing apps for example that have you know clients
0:12:10you know for both both platforms so you don't have to decide there are other
0:12:17things that are either Mac only or now there's a lot of apps that are iPad on
0:12:22me so if you're if you feel like you need one of those decisions made
0:12:27yeah I mean the file system is another really big one I guess I would be the
0:12:32third big thing you know and i cant consider that under multi-housing which
0:12:35is not part of it but you know I just DOF lots of different styles and hear
0:12:40people sent word documents unfortunately in there marked up and you gotta
0:12:44download them and you gotta look at them and you get to reattach them and you
0:12:48know that's still a place where the iPad issues not you know in trying to make it
0:12:52simpler sometimes just really hard you know I actually wrote about in their
0:12:57review our internet the whole thing came in but like I was just trying to get a
0:13:00PDF from one app to another and just can't really do it right there is no
0:13:07central file to put something in you can put it in iCloud iCloud drive but I just
0:13:14don't like to go there
0:13:16yeah and not every app supports it depends where you you know it's the same
0:13:19with Dropbox were there are definitely some apps that you can you know use a
0:13:25pay for this and send a thing from be by putting it in your Dropbox and both apps
0:13:30have Dropbox integration but you really can't count on it across all apps right
0:13:35and you have to like hope that the share system works well in that apt to bring
0:13:40it to the other app they were Adobe apps that I was using whereas on the Mac you
0:13:48would
0:13:49be shocked I I would be and in fact it would do instantly make me any appetite
0:13:55use on a regular basis well about to say would work and if I was trying a new app
0:14:00and this didn't work it would almost certainly made me think this apt is
0:14:04piece of junk I'm just gonna spending more time in which is if if I'm in a
0:14:09context where I want to add a JPEG doesn't matter is the email attachment
0:14:15is I just want to send it to you I'm using the chat I want to send you this
0:14:18picture I wanna add it to a document where I know the document can you can
0:14:22add images to the document I would just take it from the Finder where I see the
0:14:27document the image and drag it over and dropped it and it works everywhere and
0:14:32it's worked like that since you know I don't know 1984 drag stuff where he
0:14:38wanted to go and it's crazy it's still crazy to me and it's one of those things
0:14:42where I feel like I'm speaking second language when I'm trying to work on iOS
0:14:48which is that drag-n-drop isn't really even at then there ya know I mean like
0:14:53on Tuesdays which is like my big file column video day my entire desktop is a
0:14:59mess it's like my worst nightmare when I go to someone's computer and see like
0:15:04just billions of files all over their desktop but they always clean it up
0:15:08always clean it up Tuesday night but like the reason that is just think it's
0:15:13the easy to put something there that I drag it to Dropbox and send it to my
0:15:17video editor I pulled down 15 at it from a print editor I then send it right back
0:15:24you know attach it put it into Gmail drive it into Gmail yeah I mean I think
0:15:31it's things like that those like sort of like and hate to say is I think those
0:15:35are the things that like make me old like I'm worried that these are the
0:15:40things that like I'm gonna be that old person thats like a week this is why I
0:15:43can't recommend this because it doesn't have a USB port
0:15:48you know something like that where I feel like I feel old when I say these
0:15:52things but you get in these routines of how you work
0:15:56I feel the exact same way where I live I don't want to be curmudgeonly that way
0:16:02and I see it from the feedback I get from readers where some of them are they
0:16:09angry but they seem to be frustrated with the whole hey maybe you can load
0:16:15for some people you may be able to really just work on an iPad pro and they
0:16:19rejected and they're like and and they say how could you know how can you work
0:16:23if you can't do YZ and I can see why I swear I see them doing is they're
0:16:28projecting I can't work with ex-wife and I actually believe them I believe that
0:16:33they you know that this is important and there are definitely some tasks where
0:16:37you really want to be able to access you have something like the Finder where you
0:16:42can have just an arbitrary list of files of any type just drag them but there are
0:16:48you crazy if you don't think that there's a lot of people who don't need
0:16:52that
0:16:52whose workflow doesn't involve files yeah system at all and I think that's
0:16:57why I feel like there's some days where I don't know I don't need that and you
0:17:03know that's what a majority of users on that I can't say percentages but many
0:17:09people like you said don't meet some of these things and that's where I think
0:17:13you know I I think I go back a little bit into what I wrote in my pro review
0:17:18it it certainly feels right now it's a niche product maybe it is maybe it
0:17:26really does have more appeal at this point that I think I don't get specific
0:17:32on it but maybe it has much more appeal than I thought right now as more and
0:17:37more people ask me about it and when I'm trying to guide them between getting a
0:17:40laptop in the Pro it ends up saying yeah the Pro is actually going to be
0:17:44perfectly great for what you need and are you don't have an iPad or you
0:17:48haven't updated your iPad in years
0:17:50yeah go for it yeah so I'm just really interested in what Apple's going to be
0:17:59able to do with the software to make it to make it
0:18:04closer to what some people want his laptop experience yeah I think you and I
0:18:09highlighted that that sense but in your review but more or less and and you know
0:18:15that's not a unique observation but I thought you said it very well but
0:18:19something more or less along the lines of comparing it to the surface search
0:18:25her certainly the surface Pro's from Microsoft they the surface Pro's are
0:18:32saddled with the overly complex Windows 10 and I Pad Pro is saddled with what is
0:18:41still clearly an iPhone operating system
0:18:45yeah right and so they're approaching both companies are approaching a they're
0:18:53trying to get to the same place but Microsoft is going is approaching it
0:18:57with a more complex legacy operating system and apples approaching it with an
0:19:04overly simplistic met for a little for five mins 3 45 mins device operating
0:19:11system right and i think thats like what's going to be fascinating to watch
0:19:14over the next couple years is like how do they both get there like once gotta
0:19:19add one's gotta like no one's gotta pick up pieces on the route and the others
0:19:24got it somehow dump them hopefully I don't know what Microsoft's plan is with
0:19:30a lot of the bloat that's in Windows but yeah I I totally appreciate that is
0:19:37incredibly hard problem for both companies to solve a lot of times a week
0:19:41you know we on the outside can sit here and complain make it I i there are some
0:19:46problems that are frustrating as it really does seem like it ought to be
0:19:49easy for a company to fix and maybe it's not and you don't want to you know who
0:19:52knows what the reasons are behind it but this is one where clearly it's
0:19:56complicated but like just one specific issue with the pro I do you use the
0:20:01multitasking on the probe the two things at the same time multitasking
0:20:05from the left all the time and it's one of those things that
0:20:10quickly became a habit for me so to compare and contrast I think that it's
0:20:16taken me longer to become a habit is the new the new way in iowa's 9 that you can
0:20:23put two fingers on the keyboard and move the insertion point around when you're
0:20:28editing taxed yeah I love it but I keep forgetting to use it whereas the
0:20:33multitasking touch yeah same thing 3d touch I like it and and I'm starting to
0:20:39make it a habit but its I keep forgetting about it whereas the
0:20:45multitasking on the iPad Pro is like I took to it for sure exactly but yeah but
0:20:56for example you can't put to Safari windows side by side right yeah I
0:21:00mentioned in my review and a stand-up hold on my watch me do you hear it from
0:21:11you today I don't know you feel guilty hitting that mute first for today yet
0:21:16today
0:21:18now what I do is I've had sound off on my my Apple watch for months and I
0:21:25forget it's just been there's too many times where I want it to be mute and so
0:21:31I was like yeah I don't really like 30 minutes again and we can have a
0:21:38conversation over again i dont bad meeting for the day when it's this early
0:21:42if it still isn't even dark out too soon
0:21:47the day's almost over 3 o'clock but it's not really almost everybody like the
0:21:56office soon I think you can always leave an office that while this is why I don't
0:22:01have never been no one's watching me know what no one knows where I am this
0:22:07is why I was never a good employee but I've always felt like as soon as it's
0:22:11dark outside you can leave so yeah I to New York yeah it's perfect
0:22:17makes me a substandard employee but yeah I mean really nobody's watching a movie
0:22:24that's what I think that would be awesome if you live on a Mac or Windows
0:22:35you it would be crazy to think you couldn't have to browser tabs Windows
0:22:40whatever you want to call them side by side it would be crazy and that's where
0:22:47we are though on iOS and I don't know what the solution is why I I think it
0:22:53seems to me like with this the way that the rules of iOS multitasking we slide
0:22:58over and if you want to switch which happens in that right-hand pane white
0:23:02can't Safari be listed in there too
0:23:05yeah and actually like I wouldn't mind that on the iPhone to like I wouldn't
0:23:10mind being able to separate out tabs as a new window so like I find it annoying
0:23:16someone like sometimes I go back and forth between tude websites and so you
0:23:21know you gotta hit the top button in the right corner what if I could just double
0:23:27tap to see choose safari window side by side you know in in the multitasking
0:23:31dead traced carousel thing you know i i want that sometimes and the same thing
0:23:39with any with a good like a document editing thing where if God whatever
0:23:44happy you use for text editing let's just say the built-in no tap why
0:23:50wouldn't you want to be able to have two of those side by side so you get out
0:23:52wine that was your note for an article and the other is the article you're
0:23:56writing I mean I this is a secret about me i my most used apps on my Mac is text
0:24:03at it I have a lot of people that's is it that's the I think so I feel like
0:24:09inferior like you know it's just like so simple and great right now have twenty
0:24:15txt Edit windows open I have untitled 21 right now I just like open them and you
0:24:22know jot down notes and then I just closed them yes it's because they have
0:24:28like three of the little ones on my screen right
0:24:30now for like three different things I'm working on it would love to be able to
0:24:35put two of them side by side on the pro yeah yeah there were rumors last year's
0:24:44team I mean really what did they do it no offense txt Edit team that has not
0:24:51been many updates to your absence like ever and they should get on it just it
0:24:59advice for the text entity love what you're doing love your work lovey Rapids
0:25:04my most used apps on my Mac but maybe start working on the iOS version it's
0:25:10funny that there was a rumor last year that there was going to be a text at it
0:25:14for iOS and preview to that and the seemingly another one of my favorites
0:25:25yeah I mean preview this is this is where when I sometimes really try and
0:25:30make the switch back to Windows these are some of the apps that are so court
0:25:35of the operating system that that Microsoft just doesn't have previous a
0:25:39great example Microsoft just doesn't have something like preview on Windows
0:25:4310 like a basic thing where you can look at photos yes but some of those basic
0:25:50editing tools and in the ease of using them not there
0:25:54yeah right just if you want to make a quick crop or yeah quick crop resize the
0:25:59photo I mean it's a great again the preview team really probably my second
0:26:07use most used apps on my Mac here's an example there I got a a complimentary
0:26:14review copy of a new book from the people at a List Apart thank you to them
0:26:22for sending it to me as very kindly send it to me by email and I opened it up and
0:26:26I started reading and it was actually a book on responsive web design so it's
0:26:33obviously something I need to read my website still isn't responsive
0:26:36started reading it and I don't know hours later next day I wanted I want to
0:26:42keep reading that book and I was on the iPad program like WoW is that and I'd
0:26:48like blanked out for a couple of seconds like why can't I find it here and then I
0:26:54realized oh there's no preview here you know there is a way to do that you can
0:27:01use iBooks you can you know open the PDF and iBooks and it it'll sync across and
0:27:06you can read on a Mac and read here but I use preview not I books to read PDFs
0:27:10because it's you know when you double-click it that's what it open to
0:27:13your Mac right I mean I guess on iOS they just figure photos is the answer
0:27:19but photos doesn't have support for PDF in some of those kind of features that
0:27:26you haven't preview I i think what it is more is that they even with iCloud and
0:27:33even with the new iCloud drive which does work pretty well I think I mean my
0:27:39experience it it sinks pretty pretty reliably and pretty quickly but I feel
0:27:46like they they're reversed adding document oriented apps to iOS rate as
0:27:55opposed to let's say notes where the New Notes app is updated on Mac OS and its
0:28:02updated on iOS but you don't have files you know not technically there are files
0:28:07hidden somewhere in New York you know Library folder somewhere but there's no
0:28:11files that are actually exposed to whereas preview is still about opening
0:28:14period dot PDF files and texted that comes back to a file system right but
0:28:22they haven't they have it with iCloud down and they have the iCloud drive out
0:28:25but it's almost like they don't want to even even with the fact that it's that
0:28:29is now technically possible to do you know in a pretty easy you know way I
0:28:36feel like they're just averse to it on like
0:28:39philosophical grounds on us yeah I mean the problem I guess if you're using
0:28:49drive and you really are invested in that maybe you don't have a lot of these
0:28:52problems are you do have a problem if some of the apps don't use it
0:28:59closure of what do you use it all really use it for photos
0:29:08yeah yeah that's that's different yeah that's that's just iCloud photo sinking
0:29:15where it's not really a Google world's so then what do you know I don't i dont
0:29:23i dont I try to use as little Google stuff as possible so with Google where
0:29:29do you think so you use Google Drive to sink documents from one thing to another
0:29:32yeah how does that work in the Finder I don't even though how does it work on a
0:29:37Mac it well you you can sync all your Google Drive staff to your Mac I
0:29:44actually don't do that I actually just go through the Chrome browser because I
0:29:49don't want their and I think that that's more likely the most natural way to do
0:29:55it and I mean mostly everything for me is right in it for me I'm out that I do
0:30:06use iCloud drive but it only works for certain apps I mean my primary wave of
0:30:11like hey I would if I have a file that I wanna be available everywhere I put in
0:30:14my Dropbox folder dropbox is the way more important to me
0:30:19method yeah I mean I guess I just I really use drive for my documents like
0:30:28my documents I'm like actively editing and filing actually do file to my
0:30:35editors
0:30:36Google Docs now for me it's Dropbox like anything
0:30:41I have been working on an article for Darren fireball it's a text file but it
0:30:46saved saved to a folder in Dropbox but it's a good workaround yeah I usually
0:30:56write a lot in text that and then copy into weird things actually I write most
0:31:02my columns inward still there till I just feel comfortable Sunday when I rate
0:31:10even when everybody scripts I just feel really comfortable and word just like my
0:31:14my place you know so just go into a two-word 2001 2011 I'm sorry 2011 and
0:31:23that's where I am so weird thing I guess I should probably read this too well not
0:31:31the BBEdit isn't relevant but the fact that I use of programming text editor as
0:31:36my writing thing is you know it's not really because I need to it's just that
0:31:41we've always done my writing and so it's it's it's a comfort thing I think you
0:31:45want to be as you know writers famously you know whether they're picky about
0:31:51which brand pencil they use if they write in longhand or certain brand of
0:31:55typewriter or even less certain certain types of paper for to put a typewriter
0:32:00writers have always been fussy about the fact that I think it's because we have
0:32:04so many problems just problems in general like you know I just like don't
0:32:12know how I want to write something in our like it's one of those pieces into
0:32:16the iPad was a good example the proud there were so many different ways
0:32:20could've gone about it and I wanted to go about it at all said to rate for a
0:32:24very mainstream audience on it and so I had to tell us such a hard time figuring
0:32:29out where to start that peace and I probably opened like every text editing
0:32:35program I had on my computer and just like maybe if I rated in here something
0:32:39will come you know like you just every procrastination technique and it usually
0:32:44involves opening like every text editor I have on my computer like that
0:32:50sometimes too especially with with the iPad perot I wanted to write my review
0:32:55on the iPad process i didnt have been added so it wasn't like you know so I
0:32:59just started writing in three or four different apps and then I got very
0:33:03confused about where the part that I wrote about the pencil out any other ya
0:33:07know why I did the same kind of things I was actually the day I started like
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0:37:52next device on the list I would I would love to pick her mind about surface Pro
0:38:01for and the surface book I have to I actually just got the mail room just
0:38:08dropped off the latest surface book which they tell me
0:38:12Microsoft descent says this is the shipping unit I should have no problems
0:38:17but that's where we should back up and talk about some of the problems I happen
0:38:20to have to take it out of the box
0:38:22yeah what an interesting what an interesting series of announcements from
0:38:29Microsoft you know the book my review is was very actually just be honest and
0:38:37tell you the story about what happened with the review so I loved using the the
0:38:42service book i think is an incredible piece of hardware that Microsoft made
0:38:46everything from sort of the screen to have the keyboard works in the trackpad
0:38:51actually finally working very very well you know after years of reviewing just
0:38:58really just terrible i mean you know I have I have probably a lot of emotional
0:39:04and psychological
0:39:06issues because of how many terrible Windows laptop cyber viewed it was just
0:39:12such a nice change it's just such a you know it was a really big step I think in
0:39:20in the history of Windows laptops so this really good review and then the
0:39:25first unit I had had some issues actually the first surface Pro for I had
0:39:32had some issues and so would restart and then the surface book for the first one
0:39:39I had had a driver issue and so it kind of kept crashing and then they sent me
0:39:44another one and about 24 hours before filing that review going up just
0:39:52completely crashed the hard drive just completely crashed can restart Windows
0:39:57and and I know there was a a couple of other bugs that they said we're gonna be
0:40:00sorted through and then other reviewers have the same problems so I ended up
0:40:06basically saying it could recommend the service book and so now I'm at a point
0:40:09where I'm retesting it to see if they did stop this hard drive problem it
0:40:15sounds like what I from what I can tell and I did not get under review but I'm
0:40:21not really in that bracket but but I've seen it and I was at like a Microsoft
0:40:28event here in Philadelphia where Ben Rudolph and I was like the lead
0:40:33evangelist for these things you know the whole thing and he was kind enough to
0:40:38invite me and I got to spend some time using it there but you know it's very
0:40:41different than spending a week with it but it sounds to me from reading
0:40:44everything that what Microsoft did is they ceded the review units before they
0:40:50had the whatever you want to call it golden master this is what's gonna go to
0:40:55consumers and there you know where some pretty serious bugs because it wasn't
0:40:59just you it was pretty much everybody kind of ran into the same issues
0:41:03yeah I mean there were bugs and then there were hardware problems and bugs
0:41:07definitely did make it into shipping units I got many emails and tweets from
0:41:13readers who said I had the same problems I just went back to the Microsoft Store
0:41:18I return
0:41:19earned it you know there was some clear quality control issues that just clear
0:41:25issues that made it through to shipping units I didn't hear about the hard drive
0:41:30failures you know yes and Microsoft did say that they've had sent review units
0:41:36with different hard drives and they had caught these issues at the factory so I
0:41:41had had the problem first on the surface Pro for and then again you know the
0:41:46service book as well so yeah I'm hoping this time around if everything goes as
0:41:51well and I can goes well and I can actually you know really recommend this
0:41:56as the best Windows laptop ever made but does it have an actual hard drive in it
0:42:03it's not a necessity but there but they had problems they had problems but yeah
0:42:11there there SSDs with some sort of issue and it's actually changed out the
0:42:19manufacture of it interesting so let's give him the benefit of the doubt for
0:42:26now and and talk about it as what it's supposed to be and but let's assume that
0:42:32they're gonna iron out the bugs and manufacturing issues talk about it just
0:42:41forwarded you know what it should be
0:42:46yeah I mean I took this like any i mean i think one of the things that's been
0:42:54interesting about Microsoft over the last here is like you know when they
0:43:01looked at the tablet market they had to kind of say well what's our strength our
0:43:05strength is not with the iPad is we haven't created a really touch friendly
0:43:10platform networks are we have tried to create a touch-friendly platform and it
0:43:15failed you know Windows 8 and we haven't got the apps to make this that really
0:43:25great immersive compelling experience that the iPad has
0:43:28but we do find his people want to do more work on these things so we wanna
0:43:32make tablets more productive which really was like ok we're gonna be
0:43:37tablets that can replace your laptop and I was like ok so what I just make a
0:43:41laptop like the tablet really couldn't replace your laptop in it could but it
0:43:45wasn't as good as a laptop and it certainly wasn't as good as the laptops
0:43:49they had kept putting it up against which was the air so they can be
0:43:53convincing us like we're really gonna productivity and so you should want to
0:43:58buy a device that can actually be a good laptop and was like just make a laptop
0:44:03and so now they made a laptop but it's actually still tablet and so kind of
0:44:07just like you know that's trying to wrap my head around the whole industry right
0:44:11now which is gonna be laptops laptops tablets in the case of Microsoft they've
0:44:18got a phone that wants to be a desktop you know what are all of this kind of
0:44:23hybridization of things and what do we actually want to use and I think with
0:44:28the surface but it's actually coming to a point where it's like ok this could
0:44:32just kind of feels like the future it doesn't it isn't the best right now it's
0:44:38not a great tablet is actually pretty terrible tablet when you think about
0:44:41that the battery life is really bad when to take it off the dock but the idea
0:44:46that you know tablets can just be the tops of our laptops keyboards are just
0:44:52being added back to these things to make a laptop's makes kind of sense so I kind
0:44:59of looked at it from that perspective and then I just really try to look at it
0:45:02as like this is a Windows laptop and it's like got the build up an Apple
0:45:07laptop it's got a touchpad that actually works that i dont wanna hook up a huge
0:45:12mouse to it got a beautiful screen and so on hardware Microsoft finally giving
0:45:18us something that heightens and makes windows worth it but no but that's why
0:45:27it's so when when I was at the iPad pro event in September and in a hands-on
0:45:33area I was hanging out with my friend Michael Johnson
0:45:36K Dr wave on Twitter who developer Pixar and rights you know internal tools for
0:45:44Pixar and and has written a lot of software to use the Wacom tablets and
0:45:48also you know for their artists I hung around with him because he knows what
0:45:54the hell he's talking about in terms of evaluating you know a stylist and one of
0:45:59the things he did when he first got to try the Apple pencil on the iPad Pro is
0:46:05all he did was just just put the pencil down and just started scribbling circles
0:46:11just spirally circles and just watching the latency that's all he did just to
0:46:16see and he was very impressive and it always wanted to test it first was the
0:46:19palm rejection and if hebrew squiggles really really fast didn't keep up that's
0:46:26exactly what I did when I got to try the the surface book with the trackpad is I
0:46:31just wanted to see just put my finger on the trackpad and look at the mouse
0:46:35cursor and I just moved it around you know in a circle really fast to see is
0:46:40this does this work like a MacBook trackpad where it great
0:46:44or is it like every other PC dive ever put my hands on in recent years where
0:46:48it's you know I can I can see why people still miss the ThinkPad now been because
0:46:56the track at six and it was great that the surface pro trackpad and then again
0:47:00I did I spend a week with it no internet have just that quick test it was great I
0:47:05mean I'm reviewer who has said for the last five years it is probably Apple's
0:47:13most favorite thing that I have said that Apple makes the best Windows
0:47:17computer and I said it when I was working at Engadget I was working at the
0:47:22verge and I said it here at the journal when you install Windows on a MacBook
0:47:28Air or MacBook Pro Windows runs better there than it does on pretty much any
0:47:34other laptop I've ever tested in the last ten years and that was a product
0:47:39that is a problem for Microsoft you know as more people buy iPhones
0:47:45more and more people see what Apple does in terms of hardware and software
0:47:49collaboration that is a problem for Microsoft especially in the place where
0:47:53they most want us to look to them which is work doing things and so i think you
0:48:01know that's where the surface book ok maybe they're not going to sell as many
0:48:05as they they may want and I think that I think the pricing structure and is
0:48:12certainly if you ask my opinion I think a lot of it is to protect the OEMs in
0:48:16their partners right now I think there's very clear delineation of what's been
0:48:20happening you know this is a computer that starts well above $1,200 once you
0:48:26get it to where you want it
0:48:27most PC buyers buy things under $1000 but still I just think as it as a proof
0:48:34of concept and for Microsoft to say look we can actually make great hardware for
0:48:39a really great operating system that we have out right now we can do it too
0:48:45yeah they're they're dancing in a very precarious situation dealing with the
0:48:53OEM and and have been ever since they started with the very first surface
0:48:58which was really you know clearly not as much as more even though you know when
0:49:04did the first one they had the two versions one who was the surface that
0:49:07was armed and more like an iPad and ran a different version of windows and then
0:49:14they had the surface pro it had an Intel chip and ran the full version of Windows
0:49:178 even though it was for Windows a computer it was clearly less of a hey
0:49:23this isn't a true alternative to a laptop from Dell or from Lenovo or HP
0:49:30wherever you know your name
0:49:33it was definitely this is like a new concept whereas the you know now there
0:49:37have you know starting from that point there clearly and now with the surface
0:49:40book there clearly that they have an alternative to a laptop from one of
0:49:45their OEM partners and that's a weird place for them to be right and I think
0:49:52you're right that the pricing they had a cheaper skew and it's not here now
0:49:59$1500 now which is definitely premium even Apple standards yeah I mean most
0:50:06people are buying that thousand dollar it it definitely has impressive build
0:50:14quality though and I'm not surprised by that I think the entire story of this
0:50:19this device the fact that the first units that were sent out had these weird
0:50:23bugs in manufacturing things well you know just what hardware his hard and
0:50:28Microsoft is still sort of new added and it's a tribute to the expertise of the
0:50:35existing companies Apple certainly but even on the PC side you know that that
0:50:41most PC's that you test right don't have those are two problems that unusual for
0:50:45you to get a review unit has problems
0:50:47yes well
0:50:58I'm trying to think back I have had many instances where PC manufacturers had
0:51:08really messed up certain components and they just did not work but you know what
0:51:16you kind of seemed more forgivable in that and those whose about this unusual
0:51:23but not unprecedented yes yes absolutely
0:51:26so it's not surprising that there it to me that they're having these problems
0:51:30but on the other hand they have been making Microsoft has made peripherals
0:51:37for a long time I mean as long as I can remember Microsoft has been making mice
0:51:41and keyboards and their their mice and keyboards have always been excellent I
0:51:47mean truly top-notch yeah
0:51:51entry-level 1500 I don't know for some reason I thought it was 1300 it's it's
0:51:571500 on the surface book so I'm I'm also I thought I thought that the keyboard on
0:52:09the surface book was excellent the trackpad was excellent driver support to
0:52:14make sure that the good hardware trackpad actually translated to a good
0:52:20experience on screen was absolutely seamless yeah yeah I mean the issues
0:52:28really did come down to I think there were some issues with the drivers for
0:52:33the display that was causing a couple of flickering issues and then obviously
0:52:37there was an excited take this one at the box and see how it goes but I know
0:52:42I've heard from a lot of happy buyers when it comes to it's also really really
0:52:49powerful system so I don't like the pan to a mean I actually still now prefer
0:52:55the iPad propane over the surface Penn
0:52:59have lost both of them so thats
0:53:04your review you said you only had lost the cap but now you can I think I know
0:53:12where it is I mean this is a really big problem many its 2015 and we cannot find
0:53:17her statuses we we need a better way to keep track of our statuses and actually
0:53:24they have that feature where if the stylus goes too far away it will tell
0:53:32you on your phone I don't know if they have that in the current no but they had
0:53:35it something like that is I think the key to prevention of the loss the
0:53:42kidnapping of the I thought about the I kind of I do enjoy one of my favorite
0:53:51watch features is the make your phone beep yeah yeah we need something like
0:53:58that well but the problem I think would be that I suspect that the pencil I
0:54:06suspect that the pencil turmoil with a new speaker and be it would need to be
0:54:11on all the time like the reason it works for finding your phone is that telephone
0:54:15is off its on in some degree and a pencil I think one of the reasons I get
0:54:18such a seemingly amazing battery life is that it somehow turns off very
0:54:25intelligent manner when you're not using it so I don't know what they have I did
0:54:33a piece a couple of years ago
0:54:36Bluetooth Low Energy trackers and so those work when they're in the vicinity
0:54:43of your phone so possibly can and there's really interesting crowdsourcing
0:54:48stuff that's happening with those that if those are in their proximity of
0:54:52another one of those like the tile trackers are the tracker like those
0:54:58those can talk to each other so what if all the style is could talk to each
0:55:02other that would be something I can be solved the problem
0:55:10it's definitely a problem when I do my number one let's talk about the style is
0:55:15talking to each other number two let's talk about txt Edit number three
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0:59:21the pants operation really spooks me that it that they are like that thing
0:59:27comes with this big thing and I've spoken to them on the phone to you know
0:59:30get briefed on how the whole thing works and they're very nice people but they
0:59:34like to have in all caps bold you must read this for legal purposes it freaks
0:59:40me out with this surface book I think you know you're clearly you know it's
0:59:49clearly a laptop first tablet second for multiple reasons you know it's it's part
0:59:54of the GPU processing is in the part that you detach the keyboard part and
1:00:02like you said it doesn't get the battery life is all bored but it's it WAY less
1:00:12cumbersome than I thought it's you know including the software support in
1:00:19Windows yeah I mean a lot of people also complained about those green wobble that
1:00:25was like a deal breaker for some people the screen wobbles not a great deal
1:00:29breaker for me I mean like when you shake the top of the screen it certainly
1:00:35wobbles more than a laptop that has a very sturdy hinge but not a deal breaker
1:00:42I think the screen wobble
1:00:45screen wobble like that and like I don't know I don't know how I'd feel well I
1:00:53think if if a MacBook screen wobble like that but it didn't detach it would be a
1:01:02pure complained like the other ones don't wobble this one wobbles
1:01:06you know what the world's wrong with this hand whereas it wobbles but that's
1:01:10because you can detach it you know it's a tradeoff it's obviously not ideal but
1:01:15it is a trade off and I think it's fair to say that I i for example with the
1:01:21iPad pro when you connect Apple's Smart Keyboard
1:01:26I can use it on my lap I fact I have I've used it on my lap resting on my
1:01:32eyes and I found it works
1:01:37yeah it but it wobbles I mean I think I wobbles more than that
1:01:40surface book would amend my iPad pro video I showed it off but that's more at
1:01:48actually not that's more top heavy I think that's more because of the smart
1:01:56cover the smart Keyboard Case is weighs less than tablet yet you know when you
1:02:05put it on your leg and it's not even plain it doesn't have the balancing 222
1:02:11but ya know I mean yeah
1:02:20like certainly there are compromises that you're making InDesign now for
1:02:25either either option right in like really know what to call these things
1:02:30but when you're trying to put a tablet with the keyboard you're sacrificing
1:02:34some of the best things about a laptop which is using it on your lap or using
1:02:40it you know I just think of scenarios when I actually use it on my lap which
1:02:45is either sitting in bed or on the couch and then when you're combining the
1:02:50tablet with the laptop whatever you want to call these things that are sort of
1:02:55laptops with tablets like the service book you're making compromises in some
1:03:00of the laptop designs screen hinge or battery or another example right now
1:03:09there's something else I can think of it yeah you know so there are are these
1:03:14form factor compromises were making on both sides and that's what like is so
1:03:21hard right now you know how I started the conversation it's so hard to tell
1:03:27to ask people are to recommend things when it comes down to a user's willing
1:03:32to compromise right I mean when I look at the differences between something
1:03:38like a surface pro 4 and the iPad pro there such different products there are
1:03:43so many different compromises you'd make on either side whether it's because of
1:03:48how the hardware was designed or because of how the software is so different and
1:03:54that you know like that's what is very confusing about what's happening in
1:03:59computing and like part of me wonders does all this have to be happening right
1:04:03now is this a partially on the Windows side to get people more interested again
1:04:09in buying PC use is it just that laptops were boring and people weren't buying
1:04:14them I don't know on the iPad side I wonder if this away just to get more
1:04:19people interested again in the iPad because they were want them to do more
1:04:23things and it just comes down to when you're choosing a computer now what is
1:04:30it that you want these things to do and what are you gonna live
1:04:33with what are the compromises with I have I find it and it's it's this is not
1:04:39a normal problem that most people have but because I have review unit of all
1:04:45these various products I have all three iPad sizes here and all set up for me
1:04:50ready to go and I have my MacBook Pro and I find it hard at any given moment
1:04:57to choose which first
1:04:59like if I'm going to go away for a week we did last week for Thanksgiving family
1:05:04went away for a week which iPad I don't wanna take and so I took the just to get
1:05:11a break as I've been using the iPad pro somewhat I thought let's go to the
1:05:14complete opposite end of the line up and I just took the iPad Mini with me and
1:05:20one of the reasons I did that was also because my phone is on Verizon iPad Mini
1:05:26is on AT&T and I find It really useful combination while traveling because you
1:05:32can go somewhere where maybe one or the other has terrible service but if the
1:05:36other one does you can just and I really like to I still like the iPad Mini a lot
1:05:44it's just good at very different things that are what iPhone do you have iphone
1:05:5126 not success but not not the right I can't stand behind but I just said this
1:06:01march from buyers guide and it's like on paper the plus it's so much better like
1:06:08it is the iPhone I should have but I don't like using it like it's just so
1:06:15big
1:06:16yeah technically it is clearly the best device that emits stabilization for
1:06:21video and the battery battery life in the photos and you think like those are
1:06:27the two most important things we wanted phones right now right
1:06:30like better cameras and better battery life when I just get the speakerphone
1:06:33and I just can I also when I reviewed it I just could in like gravitate towards
1:06:39the plus I just hope but with the seven or the next version that maybe they
1:06:44figure out a way to get
1:06:46the bigger screen into a smaller body and we won't have to make the sacrifices
1:06:50these things because the phone just feel smaller and I don't care even care about
1:06:56the beard getting a bit more screen on the smaller device I just want that I
1:07:00just don't want a device that any physically bigger than this and I would
1:07:04I just hope that they can figure out is to get the optical image stabilization
1:07:07in the smaller one and it would be wonderful if the battery life but I'm
1:07:13not holding my breath
1:07:14yeah but I totally see why some people do I know are you know our friend eli is
1:07:21a plus user and I was talking about it he has joined hands but he also told me
1:07:27that he most days literally does most of his work on his phone and if that's true
1:07:33for anybody you know like so many people
1:07:38yeah and if that's if that's true that you actually do my best and most of your
1:07:41email from your phone and stuff like that I can totally see why having the
1:07:45bigger keyboard you know for 2000 typing and the extra battery life is a killer
1:07:51feature I totally understand why some people love the plus I i just not for me
1:07:56yes i know i i mean and I always want to when I was doing the smartphone buyers
1:08:02it has like I'm gonna do it I put myself in their use it for a day I just just
1:08:07can't
1:08:09Sunday yeah well I had been using the review unit for ya
1:08:16and it was time it was time to send back everything our success
1:08:27that's a good point so one of the things that we go through as reviewers of these
1:08:33things is we have to set up these devices more often than most people can
1:08:38sit at least three times a year I have to set one up by to get outta to review
1:08:44unit 6 as in the success + and I buy my own one that I actually use
1:08:50I think that setup process for going to buy a new iPhone is terrible I just did
1:09:02you see my tweet earlier this week no I said I can't pull it up right now but
1:09:08maybe I said I got a new iPhone success I am NOT restoring from backup I'm just
1:09:15setting it up as a new phone
1:09:17hashtag yo is usually I do a restore and I'm not doing the restore anymore I
1:09:29wonder that my maybe that's the way to go
1:09:31it's just freaking like this phone its like of course it's brand new but it
1:09:35feels really still brand new it's not slow whipped like tons of apps in
1:09:40folders that I never use it
1:09:43yeah I mean that's the big thing right it doesn't carry over the apps
1:09:47everything else was backed up to the cloud right i mean it didn't and it also
1:09:51doesn't pull over your I'm at so I got into this conversation online
1:09:55the big thing that it the biggest sacrifice to make now is that your i
1:10:01watch your I want your Apple watch activity data does not make its way over
1:10:07which is terrible that doesn't mean that I was like I just wish there was an
1:10:14option to opt in to sync data to the cloud and bring it over to my new iphone
1:10:18yeah I and one of the things I've seen people complain about and this isn't my
1:10:25complaint is is i've seen people complain about and then somebody made
1:10:28like a diagram and posted it to Twitter whereas I can 2007 from Mike out of the
1:10:34box to using it you know the original iPhone he was like three things three
1:10:40little screens you went through and then boom you're at the home screen and now
1:10:43there's like twenty one steps that you go through but I don't know that's not
1:10:48the part that I find terrible cuz I actually I understand that when they say
1:10:52hey do you want to allow location I i understand why they do that and it takes
1:10:57its just a tad
1:10:58app so I don't mind that you say yes I want to allow location yes here's my
1:11:04aight iCloud username
1:11:09yeah that's not my problem but given that they're already making you go
1:11:15through the steps I don't find that to be a problem at my problem is with the
1:11:22fact that once you're past that it takes so long and it's indeterminate for all
1:11:27of your stuff to come over and you've got all these apps that are like dark
1:11:31and out because there it's like they're coming but they're not there yet but you
1:11:35don't see any progress when you restore it
1:11:37yeah when you sign in and yeah yeah if you don't select setup is new right I
1:11:43just don't see for the Apple watch health stuff I don't see why that isn't
1:11:47an option at that point to wear what you want to do with your Apple watch do you
1:11:51want to just keep it on the iPhone which is more private or would you allow us to
1:11:59store it in your iCloud account online with an option and I don't see it it
1:12:09certainly is private I mean I i dont want you know and and I i realized that
1:12:13there's there's some kind of bug in you know on Apple's server side stuff that
1:12:20someday somebody there might be some kind of breach that would let that stuff
1:12:24out and I wouldn't want that to happen but to me it's no more private than in
1:12:30fact I would for me personally I would consider it less private then my email
1:12:35which I have contact list on my contact list or am I i messages actually use
1:12:41iMessage more than I use my mac.com email so the contents of my messages are
1:12:45far more and I guess the whole I messaged him
1:12:48cloud right yeah I met with that email is why I if it was something I could opt
1:12:54into I would I trust Apple enough that I would trust your email with others
1:13:03right but I do know they they certainly host things they do host things that are
1:13:07private and I i dont see why my Applewhite standard data campy yeah I
1:13:15mean I just wish you even with the psych for the one-time sink something I don't
1:13:21know about that but yes that is the one annoying thing I did not get from the
1:13:29restore and also I message history you can get you can sync all your old
1:13:33messages yeah but other than that I'm really happy with my setup as new iPhone
1:13:41it's a tempting way too tempting way to clean up I'll be using to yeah and it
1:13:49really makes you think about what the best apps you use and like i re-did my
1:13:53home this is all use Google but Google's social networks basically right and yes
1:14:05as Starbucks it's a pain in the ass to set up the Starbucks know now how does
1:14:14set up a new device and have all the tabs yeah I find it easier I do it so
1:14:19for example with iPads I never almost never restore from the backup I just
1:14:23always start the iPad / iPad pro that I've been using since whenever they
1:14:29ceded the review it's a lot easier to do them with an iPhone could I don't feel
1:14:33like you're not giving things up like your message I guess you aren't you
1:14:37somebody's message history but I got your main device for exactly and and
1:14:45actually I did the same for that proud when I did the iPhone reviews I know you
1:14:54know for the iPhone reviews I didn't restore from backup and then when I
1:14:59started using it as like my phone for a little bit I did restore from backup
1:15:03because I didn't want to test the battery life and my test with just
1:15:07wanted to do it completely clean but yeah
1:15:13most of the time when I've got new phones I do my wife is done a restore
1:15:18and her like oh and that's why I think it's also ridiculous and some of those
1:15:22restore files they have crazy things in there that the files can be like I think
1:15:26her last one was like 60 or 70 gigs as she had done to restore of all you know
1:15:33you do the restore its all your photos that were stored on the phone videos
1:15:37everything you know even photos photos that were in your eye messages and
1:15:43sometimes those I had I had one point had one of her files on my computer and
1:15:47it was taking up a ton of space but that's really good they don't back up
1:15:55some of the stuff they don't back up like your iTunes stuff because they did
1:15:59you know that right they can see it from the server but that's part of the
1:16:04process that I hate is that it's indeterminate when that's going to
1:16:07finish there's nowhere to go where it shows you a progress bar that says
1:16:10here's all the stuff that we are restoring and here's what what stated is
1:16:15right I mean most people should be in the cloud
1:16:22the apps I mean the apps are also in the cloud you just have to manually go into
1:16:26iTunes and select which ones you want that's what I did I mean into the App
1:16:32Store
1:16:33I'm very happy with my decision to set up as a new iPhone and I encourage all
1:16:39listeners to do the same yeah it seems to be very upset about the iWatch
1:16:49keeps calling Tim Cook slipped and said i watch on one of the event this year
1:16:56forget which one that might have been the PC but at some point earlier this
1:17:01year Tim Cook's leptin almost got it
1:17:03the word all the way out of his mouth before he corrected himself makes you
1:17:07wonder like they were they gonna call it the I watched some point probably yeah
1:17:12obviously we do because that was like what it was rumored to be called for so
1:17:17long
1:17:20yeah I think what happened is that there was a I think well who knows since this
1:17:26is one of those things where he knows who the people are but clearly there's a
1:17:31contingent within the company that has one out that has decided that the whole
1:17:37I prefix is data and maybe they were opposed to it all along who knows that
1:17:44it was the Steve Jobs thing you know one thing you know that this is one of the
1:17:50things we missed without Steve Jobs there is that when steve was there you
1:17:55knew with certain things like that that he must have liked it like there's no
1:18:00possible way they would have used that I prefix for the iMac iPod iPad iPhone
1:18:05anything that had that I prefix you know that Steve liked it because it hadn't
1:18:11used it whereas who it is that made them decide to get away from that who knows
1:18:18is it sure is it Jony ive is it sure and Jony ive who knows but somebody
1:18:23obviously doesn't like it anymore but I think that there must have been some
1:18:27people who do like it and wear lightweight that's what we're known for
1:18:30people are already calling it the iWatch we haven't even told them we're doing it
1:18:34I think people like it it's a I don't like that I keep saying it but they call
1:18:44it a touch there is no I teach me tonight I see I never felt like that
1:18:55sounds wrong I always thought it sounded wrong I even write it I say it all the
1:19:00time and it's gotten better over the years but i pad so close to iPod where
1:19:04I've had podcast where i've i've been talking about the iPad and iPod like 10
1:19:11times and showed me as I
1:19:13you know you keep saying iPod and I do its just is filed under the same cells
1:19:22in my brain and they're like my brain says it's a thing from the iPod perot
1:19:29exactly this actually reminds me so yesterday there's some internal email
1:19:37chain on our team and I know we got an email from beyond the arc company and
1:19:43they were basically like trying to take your music and make it into a VAR
1:19:46visualization and so it's are talking about like all remember those
1:19:49visualisations and iTunes you know the music visualization so turns out those
1:19:54are still there because everything is still in iTunes and so on our team went
1:20:02into iTunes and found the the UI through whatever the icons are . our RSS Datar
1:20:12src files and points separate oh and you can see in there all the old like you
1:20:18know it has support still for all of the old iPods it's amazing to look at how
1:20:24far do this it has like you know all the way back to the original it's got the
1:20:32original Apple TV in here
1:20:35shuffles iPod Video the U-two iPod great but you to iPod iPod
1:20:49yeah yeah
1:20:53tons i mean i get my guess is it's because these are all still supported in
1:20:57iTunes the first Apple TVs that's really crazy that's almost Microsoft Ian
1:21:07interview backwards compatibility ok
1:21:17yeah there and then they have like the little icons are looking for we were
1:21:22wondering if the little burn icon for burn to CD was still air not there when
1:21:30the last time they sold a machine that could burn a CD couple years you still
1:21:36can burn it down in iTunes right if you have an external right before we go too
1:21:45far into the weeds on iTunes
1:21:47me take another break here and thank our next month and it's our good friend mail
1:21:51route mail route are as a company that they do one thing and they do it well
1:21:58they filter John from email they're just these or email nerds who do nothing but
1:22:06this is great they don't post your email what they do is they provided the sound
1:22:11weird I know this sounds where they provide a service if you have your own
1:22:14domain host your email you just change your DNS settings to point at mail route
1:22:20first and your email goes through its a very thin screen think of it as I guess
1:22:26if the screen and they take all the spam and junk out and then forward all the
1:22:32goodies anything left after that goes to your existing mail server so you already
1:22:39have a mail server and your domain you don't change your email server or domain
1:22:43name you have to set up new accounts on a new thing over and over all you do is
1:22:46change your DNS 21st spam get taken out and then your email just shows up and
1:22:53the effect for you as a user of your email and for anybody else in your
1:22:57company or your team uses your email nothing changes then I have you don't
1:23:01have to go into your mail clients and change you know anything on the user
1:23:05side are you notice is that all of a sudden all the junk is gone and it's not
1:23:10your inbox anymore it is tremendous it is I've used it is really remarkable in
1:23:16terms of how accurate it is
1:23:18no spam filtering is perfect and they have really really great features super
1:23:23easy for you can get like an automated message on a daily basis for a weekly
1:23:29basis that tells you here's you know all the questionable stuff that we filtered
1:23:33out and you can just review that to look for any kind of false positives really
1:23:38easy to setup whitelisting if there's one particular message that got hit that
1:23:44you know you're gonna get more from you know maybe like PayPal messages or
1:23:48something like that that often get flight to spam you can just easily
1:23:52whitelist address couldn't be easier to setup want to change the DNS all of a
1:23:58sudden spam and junk just go away
1:24:02could not be easier they even have advanced features if you want them to
1:24:07have an API you can program stuff they support LDAP Active Directory TLS male
1:24:14bagging whatever that is
1:24:16outbound really anything you would want from the people handling your email
1:24:20great tech support everything is just great so here's what you do go to mail
1:24:28route dotnet / TTS the talk-show pts and when you go there you'll start with a
1:24:37free trial which is great when you see how great the freestylers once you start
1:24:41paying you'll get 10% off for the lifetime of your account now a one-time
1:24:46only 10% this is like for years to come ten years from now you're still using
1:24:50male road you'll have saved megabucks because you went to mail route that net
1:24:55/ pts so go check them out if you host your own email what else is on your mind
1:25:02Joanna I was talking about using the iPad Mini
1:25:17if you if you could only take one iPad with you on a trip which one would it be
1:25:23what are you going away on a week for weeks away from home for a week
1:25:29well I'm weird because I don't read on an iPad
1:25:35I read books on an iPad so I have I have the Kindle paperwhite which I love so I
1:25:42would probably bring that perot and I would try to not bring my air I'm going
1:25:46on vacation where my god what's really on my mind I'm going on vacation in a
1:25:54week and a half and I can't we all right well then there you know so it's not
1:25:58even a hypothetical yeah I'm going to Cabo going to probably bring back I mean
1:26:13I just don't think I would
1:26:21Netflix and 44 like watching any downloaded movies we did that as well I
1:26:29prefer it over the air that I bought two years ago I think I should sell all of
1:26:40the stuff I have so much stuff I just keep it all and just heard it and you
1:26:46know I do I i mean i dont so I did sell my iPhone 6 I did it first story but I
1:26:52pretty much that I think I'm gonna be doing going forward I still haven't
1:26:57decided I should go to get into the program have you ever are you on that
1:27:03plan
1:27:04know why I actually still owned one of every iPhone ever made because everyone
1:27:11for myself and I've kept them in fact I have more than one of everyone because I
1:27:16have some of Amy's as well somebody's we've given away to like family members
1:27:21I don't think we've ever sold one but we've given them away to people her
1:27:28younger sister and stuff like that and she had one that she broke I'm thinking
1:27:37about doing this basically my own upgrade plan everyone else should be on
1:27:41the Joanna stern upgrade plan where basically by the phone outright ban
1:27:47hopefully sell it right before the ban
1:27:52use an old phone use that new money to buy the new phone that's basically what
1:27:59I sold my sex a 64 gig sex right before the event for five hundred and twenty
1:28:07something dollars on swap it was a great experience
1:28:13way more money than you get on one of those other sites I got completely
1:28:16scammed on eBay eBay you did get yeah totally scammed on eBay
1:28:23tell me about that yeah I like put it up for sale on eBay
1:28:28the guys course claiming to be from Nigeria
1:28:32well no he did he know he didn't tell me he was from Nigeria so he's a big guy
1:28:39who buys it says he lives in Boston and that he's buying the phone for $600
1:28:45that's probably because it was like more than I had put it up for and so he then
1:28:50actually offer story I was basically just putting it out there to test out
1:28:56eBay for story and they say he says it's Austin okay he says i cant send the
1:29:03money through eBay something's wrong with it I need to send it through PayPal
1:29:09ok that's that's fine then he says oh i cant send it through their right right
1:29:14PayPal because eBay doesn't own PayPal anymore that has absolutely nothing to
1:29:19do with anything that is true it's true that doesn't have anything to do with
1:29:25anything like what it is and then ultimately sends me a fishing paypal
1:29:30email that says he sent me this $600 through Paypal and you know there was no
1:29:37real transaction that happen through paper out or through ebay but you didn't
1:29:44send him the phone no no I don't think in the end I don't think he was actually
1:29:50after the phone I think he was after some sort of information that I would
1:29:54have either click John when I clicked on that paper our fishing
1:29:54have either click John when I clicked on that paper our fishing
1:30:00yeah yeah and then I gave me a whole story like oh instead send the phone to
1:30:05Nigeria because my cousin is there and gave me a whole story about that but I
1:30:11was actually I know I can actually forward you the email for PayPal the
1:30:23really good actually ended up happening which is really I was very upset about
1:30:26from eBay was he had gotten my phone number
1:30:30yeah and that was that was where I you know the the scam stuff happens and you
1:30:35need to be on the lookout for weird PayPal spoofing email addresses yeah his
1:30:41name is Stanley Bates and in quotes daily Bates from from Boston and I i
1:30:50knew i obviously that something was really fishy when he wanted to send it
1:30:54through this weird PayPal looking thing you know it looks pretty real to be
1:30:59honest but the address says sale safety at USA dot com right anyway but it was
1:31:06when I was really annoyed about eBay has this loophole where after you finish a
1:31:11transaction with someone and bought something and that you're going to buy
1:31:16this item or whatever and have the account there is a way using your
1:31:20listing number that you can look up their phone number and their email
1:31:24address
1:31:27texted me yeah yeah happy that he and I sold my iPhone 6 and then I use that
1:31:36money to buy a new iPhone success this past week and so you who sell it to swap
1:31:41yes WAP in.com SWA EPA offer story it was right before the iPhone I wrote a
1:31:51piece about the best ways to sell your phone right but it obviously introducing
1:31:58a middleman definitely you know they're they're in business so you're selling to
1:32:03them for less than what they're going to resell it for
1:32:07and in theory if you could sell this is like the whole spirit of eBay in theory
1:32:11if you could just find the person who wanted to buy it you could sell it to
1:32:15them for a comparison between what it is it's a marketplace and open marketplace
1:32:23so you are selling to another person really yes exactly the middleman options
1:32:30like this are you you sell or any other ones next were I cracked they won't give
1:32:38you as good of a value as eBay or Amazon Marketplace or swap yeah I'm not
1:32:45familiar with that because I just heard all mine right like an idiot I had a
1:32:49great experience with swap actually was I had said on the listing that I would
1:32:53prefer with someone in New York City and found a guy and we met in a very public
1:32:59places in New York and he bought the phone their baby from Africa and it was
1:33:07so if you met in person was the transaction still digital though we're
1:33:11like he entered
1:33:15clear in my paypal account right yeah that sounds great
1:33:21yeah I mean you know it and the bike that's what this year I think back in
1:33:26like what were some of the big themes of the year in smartphones I just did this
1:33:32buying guide it was like all phones became great you know most of these
1:33:37Android phones are great now you know the iPhone became even better and the
1:33:43biggest deal was like how we buy our phones through carriers now ray carriers
1:33:48decided screw screw these contracts whether people really start upgrading
1:33:56their phones more frequently I'm not so sure it's still not the easiest thing
1:34:01you know to navigate those deals certainly Apple's program is is seems
1:34:06like the best of them all but yeah I mean how we buy ins and and pay the
1:34:13carriers was certainly a big change of
1:34:18I'm still with Verizon cause I still think I get the best service with them
1:34:27but I'm happy to say it won't be any contract with them so yeah I'm out of
1:34:33I've not been a contract with them for a while that was the decision I made this
1:34:37decision like Europe was a year ago two years ago I forget when but now I think
1:34:44it was a year ago but we stopped buying phones on contract even when are we had
1:34:50the option to do it and just pay the whole price and we will pay you have a
1:34:56family plan with verizon will display that and just keep it all on the up and
1:35:01up and up front right I'm still in the assignment of family planning he signed
1:35:07it about we find it when the six outs when the six came out so I'm just
1:35:13cracked yet but hopefully you know if you go to the new bucket data plans and
1:35:19better get you get good Verizon signal at the journal's office yeah pretty good
1:35:31signal for all in the office here when I'm on the sixth floor when I'm in New
1:35:37York I find that is a block-by-block crapshoot as to whether I have cell
1:35:43signal and disrupt my verizon phone that didn't used to be the case maybe it's
1:35:48just the places in Midtown where I tend to be I don't know but it's it's not
1:35:52necessarily bad like the way that eighteen tease used to be horrendous in
1:35:57New York I mean they truly unusable can't believe can't believe this
1:36:02anybody even get by with this service which I don't think is true anymore but
1:36:07it's not like that but it's definitely not like it is from here in Philadelphia
1:36:11Philadelphia get pretty strong signal almost everywhere
1:36:14yeah i mean the thing I've noticed about Verizon is maybe I don't have as many
1:36:19bars everywhere like as many bars at probably have with AT&T but I get like
1:36:25better service in pockets where there usually isn't service alike
1:36:29the elevator get service in my building with Verizon it always drops with AT&T
1:36:33and also on the subways here I my subway route to work I have rising service and
1:36:40not always AT&T see the different here in Philly in Philly I think AT&T like
1:36:46bribed somebody and has like exclusive cell service in the subway i really like
1:36:53that the subway I don't know how I never heard of such a thing but in
1:36:58Philadelphia sports complexes you know where you'd go see the Phillies are the
1:37:03eagles or those six arson fires they're all right next to each other and its way
1:37:08down and South Philly at the end of the line I can't go it you just ride the
1:37:13subway south and right at the last stop you get out and that subway station is
1:37:18named like AT&T station so yeah but I think that part of the deal with the
1:37:25Giants play in San Francisco what's the name of that stadium Levi stadium and no
1:37:31no no no not that that's the 49ers Giants play at AT&T Park yeah yeah yeah
1:37:42I wonder if they have like exclusives cell towers I don't know yeah I mean
1:37:49we're going to deal with the 5g competition for 5g next so when do you
1:37:56think that's coming right
1:37:58attention to stuff like that 2016 some of the tests are gonna happen I think
1:38:07Verizon's saying tests happening in in 2016 good
1:38:18you know these things happen in waves it's going to be another fun year of
1:38:22more stuff that is promised the next year let me take one break before we
1:38:30wrap up the show and one more sponsored i think is our good friends back please
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1:39:19and once it's there everything else is incremental and then you don't notice it
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1:41:18they're going to give away ninety-nine percent of their fortune I did I did I'm
1:41:24looking at is actually just looking in that article just because the baby
1:41:27picture was really just looking at the baby picture day they announced it cool
1:41:32coinciding with the birth of their first child it's a daughter's it is an
1:41:38adorable picture babies I know me too and I like the name to max for girl yeah
1:41:45yeah and so they've been out in a letter to their daughter that they will be
1:41:52giving away ninety-nine percent of their fortune which is the very noble I know
1:41:57the gates to gates's I think of have pledged to give away ninety-five percent
1:42:02of their fortune and I know that the Gates Foundation already has 41 billion
1:42:07dollars they've already given an enormous amount of money to fund their
1:42:10foundation for his lifetime yeah and I think when the start he's saying he's
1:42:17going to give up to or or donate up to a billion dollars in stock
1:42:23a year for the next three years and I guess part of that again to cycle back
1:42:29to front you know that some of the stuff is like SEC mandated that right we gonna
1:42:34say if you gonna talk about stuff like this with a publicly traded company
1:42:37you've got a you know announce it in advance but you know I think you know
1:42:43it's something that I again another little bit of a theme of the year so
1:42:48nostalgic for the year
1:42:50you know just like I think I just want the year to be over so I can go on
1:42:53vacation but like its a socially conscious move by dr. Berg obviously and
1:43:00I really important one but it's also like you feel like that's a little bit
1:43:04of a change it's been happening in Silicon Valley and especially you know
1:43:07at at Tim Cook's Apple more and more of the way he's here laughing I am because
1:43:13I have a point to make here but it's a change right I mean like and I feel like
1:43:21I also like coming out of you know Tim Cook's socially conscious Apple where
1:43:26you know when he spoke at our at a conference in October he spent a lot of
1:43:30time talking about how Apple's job to make the world a better place which is
1:43:36like obviously Apple's always thought about that as a fight through technology
1:43:40but also the sense like he wants to do that even just in his position of power
1:43:46as the as the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in the world if not
1:43:51powerful company in the world you know his message there was really impactful I
1:43:59thought I I find Tim Cook to be an incredibly sincere person and i actually
1:44:07think when you listen to him especially when you really don't just read the
1:44:11transcript but if you can actually see him talk on video like you said at a
1:44:15conference and he just hear him talk there is a sincerity in his voice when
1:44:21he talks about things like that and I know he said it many times that
1:44:26his office he's got portraits of Martin Luther King jr. and Bobby Kennedy and
1:44:33when he talked about that and he said it many times and if you just read it you
1:44:37might think that that's just the thing that he wants to say right but when you
1:44:44hear him talk about that he gets choked up and away and and when he talks about
1:44:48Apple's products he did he doesn't sound as sincere and I don't mean that he
1:44:52doesn't mean it but he actually is less fired up an emotional when he's talking
1:44:57about say you know how he traveled to Europe a couple weeks ago using with
1:45:02just as I Pad Pro and his iPhone as only devices and I think he did a really
1:45:06think he's the type of person where he really he wouldn't lie about that he
1:45:10wouldn't say that if it weren't true if he secretly had a MacBook Pro in his
1:45:13hotel room he wouldn't say it I really think that's true but you know there's
1:45:18not there's a certain rehearsed tone to his voice when he's talking about their
1:45:23products like that and and when he talks about the social stuff hehe you could
1:45:27see his blood started to boil and actually like I actually just pulled up
1:45:33our live blog from the conference and I didn't summarize a lot but I said you
1:45:37know who's he sounds it doesn't only sound like marketing speak when he is up
1:45:42there he truly wants to make a push for human rights in making the world a
1:45:45better place and I and i cant remember specifically the points he made you know
1:45:50but yes I totally agree with you the way I came I came out of that interview
1:45:59where he was grilled on everything from the car to the iPad to the Apple TV and
1:46:04how he's gonna you know put down the cable companies just thinking ok this
1:46:09guy wants to mostly though make the world a better place and use as a
1:46:15technology company to help do that so yeah I think just like you know it's
1:46:20it's cheesy but it does feel a little bit of a different vibe he's always had
1:46:26this reputation and would do it before he really became you know certainly you
1:46:31know when he became CEO obviously became that much much more public and he spoke
1:46:36on stage a few times before that
1:46:38he was you know a lot more of a mystery before he took over as CEO and they had
1:46:45a reputation as being a fearsome foursome negotiator the sort of person
1:46:48who in a meeting you know even if it's just within the company that you know
1:46:52you better be prepared when you show up for a meeting with him or he's gonna
1:46:55handle your hat you know you don't see that when he's on stage talking about
1:47:02Apple's products when he talked about the products he's very very genial there
1:47:06is this you know this very friendly courtly southern demeanor that comes out
1:47:10and it's funny because when he talks about these social issues which is a
1:47:16much more you know it's it's it by the daschle topic is humane I sense I say
1:47:25that when I can sense the fearsome person that he can be it's like his
1:47:31frustrations with these social issues around the world oil to the surface and
1:47:36he can't hide it doesn't come across as genial at all it comes across as well I
1:47:40can see why people are scared of this guy yeah yeah I mean I think it was a
1:47:47year ago it was it was actually year ago right after our conference that he had
1:47:51come out you know and that that letter you know which truly had absolutely
1:47:57nothing to do with the fact that he was the CEO of Apple I mean it's it had a
1:48:00lot about of course it had you know who he was but you know that that letter
1:48:07which was so well written and so heartfelt and that's you got a vision of
1:48:15who he was and you know after many people thought or as many people try to
1:48:23still explain who jobs was its guys just do it he's just he's he's put it all out
1:48:29there so yeah you say that there's this sort of a social but that there's a
1:48:40change since it did at the very top of silicon valley industry to be socially
1:48:47minded with an end up your money where your mouth is and actually do things
1:48:51like pledged
1:48:51ninety-nine percent of your fortune to to these causes I've made me laugh when
1:48:56I left a couple minutes ago I was thinking that the old way is the Larry
1:49:02Ellison away by an island why you like a James Bond
1:49:09this is all my house I have a sailboat
1:49:14I have pledged to america's cups right $500,000,000 you know racing yacht which
1:49:24I will be watching and you can look at it
1:49:27well this is my racing yacht which I which I observed from you know you can
1:49:39peek at my i three your small little phone screen but I get my many shots
1:49:44through my window above ten other yachts so the other thing that made me laugh
1:49:51though is when I saw that that does occur berg's replacing the giveaway
1:49:56ninety-nine percent of their fortune I thought a I thought I would I do that if
1:50:02I were in his position if I had somehow if if you know if daring fireball were
1:50:08worth as much as dr. Berg stake in facebook would I be willing to pledge to
1:50:14give 99 percent of it away I would like to think that I would I'm not sure that
1:50:20I would I feel like you nobody would nobody can really say what they would do
1:50:23unless they were actually in a position to do I don't know that I would but then
1:50:26my second thought turn to what I was young Max and my father had this fortune
1:50:32how I feel about about pledging to give it all away before I was even old enough
1:50:39to maybe make a counter argument why couldn't you waited until I was even
1:50:45just a teenager and I could maybe articulate an argument that maybe we
1:50:49should dial that number back of it ya in 15 years when Max is looking at this
1:50:54Facebook post through his holographic Dr oculus had said that doctor berg as
1:51:00also made another $90 off of will be like dad she does she's yeah I'd love
1:51:16the name acts or girl but it's hard it's a great name but I really do feel like
1:51:23if my if my parents had that sort of Fortune I really would have wished that
1:51:27they would have waited until I'm not saying don't do it I'm just saying maybe
1:51:32hear my side of it before we decide what percentage of the fortune to give away
1:51:37I'm sure she will have plenty plenty of money right I told me realize I totally
1:51:48realized that when you're talking about
1:51:50truly outsized fortunes like dr. Berg stake in Facebook and gates gates on
1:51:56that one percent is truly still a monumental fortune I'm just saying it
1:52:04may not be by Iran island in Hawaii you know from Larry Ellison forced and which
1:52:10I could really do kind of see the appeal of I mean they live in I think they live
1:52:17in power out to do is we don't we don't know what will happen to the property
1:52:22value they're right you might need now actually do now
1:52:27by the time max Unger Berg is is an adult she might need a billion or $2.02
1:52:35housing they probably probably just a small little portion of the yard and
1:52:42power outa I don't know I don't know enough about what I do know enough about
1:52:46what's been going on in the San Francisco Valley but yeah it's certainly
1:52:54I know there's been a lot of scrutiny about that way he said it up it's an LLC
1:52:59vs being actually a charitable organization or I don't know I know
1:53:04there's been scrutiny today but I just kind of just thought it was great news
1:53:09yesterday
1:53:12yeah this actor bruce says you know how you know how industry works and I'm
1:53:19actually not on that side of the industry where I cover it really any of
1:53:23that frankly so I just read the articles and move on
1:53:28same here and then I make jokes about one last thing that is in the news is
1:53:36that before we sign off is that there's so much news about some speculation it
1:53:43seems like it's gonna happen that Yahoo is going to spin off and sell off a
1:53:48bunch of it and I can't help but think that's a good thing but it really makes
1:53:56me think just big picture what is Yahoo like I don't like it it's so easy to
1:54:04compare it with Google or aka alphabet which I still find difficult to wrap my
1:54:09head around and I realize that that's not one thing but I still kind of get
1:54:14the company get it
1:54:17alphabet I'm gonna call my Google the hell of it but I get what Google does I
1:54:22get the day have this amazing search engine which to me is still arguably it
1:54:28might be the greatest invention in the history of the industry is Google web
1:54:32search and I know that I give Google a lot of crap pondering fireball of the
1:54:35time people think I'm sort of you know because I'm I tend to like Apple stuff
1:54:39and I tend to be a little bit more cynical about Google stuff when I just
1:54:45look at the broad picture of everything that we have at our fingertips today
1:54:48like if you if you could go you know Ben Franklin time travel and came here today
1:54:53what was the what's the first thing you might like the dishes box where you can
1:54:58just type whatever you want into and maybe after taking to him first but I
1:55:03think he'd get that you can just computer first but once you got that
1:55:12right but it is it's truly you know from our childhoods it's truly still a piece
1:55:18of science fiction that we have that week you could just type natural
1:55:21language questions to get the answer
1:55:24it's truly amazing I get that they have this and that they make money from it
1:55:29with the ads that they show on it and billions of people around the world
1:55:33using it so therefore tend to get their shots in terms of you know that they're
1:55:39banking on things that might become huge like if they have a self-driving car
1:55:43platform that can be two cars what Android is two phones that's that's
1:55:49tremendous I get it I don't get ya like I don't get what I don't why do people
1:55:56go to Yahoo anyway I don't get it i don't think they do I mean I know they
1:55:59do but they do they're older and they know it or it's already preloaded on
1:56:06their computers that's why rate other reasons I don't know why I was there for
1:56:15many many years ago I mean that's why people still well like the side of the
1:56:20did you and I don't don't do your product person you write you know from
1:56:25the hey how do you know you wanna do what you wanna get I'm a product person
1:56:31I write about how to use this stuff
1:56:32services services and I can't remember the last time I've recommended Yahoo
1:56:40service but that's what I've looked at them I mean even I gave Flickr buried on
1:56:46Flickr still has some great things I gave it a really fair shake in the in
1:56:49the photo comparisons earlier this year when it was you know Google photos and
1:56:52Apple photos and it wasn't as good
1:56:56yeah I think about that anymore when they think they don't think about the
1:57:01services on their phone it's covered as a business story right it's the business
1:57:07reporters talking about this and Wall Street pressure on it
1:57:11and you know Kara Swisher has tremendous forces you know Yahoo and it's the
1:57:17intriguing speculation as to how much support does Marissa Meyer still have
1:57:21the board and that sort of thing but looking at it from my perspective is
1:57:25just what school and what is good to use of what I recommend to people who do
1:57:32know following me and look to me for advice or something like that or what
1:57:36would be interesting for me to write about because it's such a cool thing I I
1:57:40can't remember the last time anything who was involved with even hit my
1:57:45whatever parts of my brain light up when I see something cool yeah I guess the
1:57:51last time I mean
1:57:54Yahoo is not powering the weather anymore on the weather app and I know
1:57:59now I don't think so they switched yeah because they got I think I had better
1:58:07worldwide service or something
1:58:10yeah you would have been the only Yahoo service I probably use every day since
1:58:16whatever you say Yahoo fifteen years ago the iOS stocks up still is based on
1:58:26Yahoo data ok I mean so that when we really like just picked up my videos
1:58:42Yahoo I get a lot of video views so thank you for that I i just i dont get
1:58:52it I feel like I feel like and again maybe it's just my me being obsessed
1:58:57with my perspective on things but I I just feel like all of this business
1:59:04side speculation on what Yahoo should do whatever is got it all backwards and it
1:59:09really has to start with products and that's if there's anything I'm
1:59:12disappointed and Marissa Meyer for his I really kind of had hoped that from what
1:59:17I knew of her beforehand that she was you know product focused and I really
1:59:21thought that she would bring that to Yahoo but it just doesn't mean she did I
1:59:27think she really I mean if you think about when some of the big attention
1:59:31that she had gotten when she first started with a Flickr a big Flickr
1:59:35redesigned she was she was she spoke i remember i interviewed her after they
1:59:41knew Flickr redesign and she introduced it and I was like a couple months after
1:59:47she took over and then there was a new email thing she was involved in that I
1:59:52remember that and then I don't remember anything else
1:59:56yeah alright least you tried to at first but it's like as the years have gone on
2:00:00it just doesn't seem like that happen story actually this is funny I'm gonna
2:00:05share I got it he made those of his podcast Mike I feel what's amazing about
2:00:11your podcast feels like just talking to you and you really don't think about
2:00:14that hundreds of thousands and thousands of viewers and listeners I think I
2:00:21haven't looked at it I probably should I think it's seventy to eighty thousand
2:00:26but like I said wait says the woman who write for a newspaper with a circulation
2:00:35of what I mean the journal's gotta say the Journal last I checked has a daily
2:00:41circulation at three this is feels like you know here they cut all my words the
2:00:51email I had someone who used to work for me and they were applying for a job at
2:00:57Yahoo and they sent you know they want me to give some feedback and you know
2:01:03reference stuff and in the email it said Marissa Mayer's going to be looking over
2:01:08this and I thought to myself that is really sad
2:01:12like why is Marissa Mayer looking over a tech reporting position here and I don't
2:01:20have anything I mean I had a lot of nice things to say about this person who used
2:01:24to work with me but I just wrote something like really sarcastic back to
2:01:29the recruiter to wander and wonder if we ever did read my review of that they
2:01:36were going to hire I don't know I don't know if I should have that's fine but I
2:01:44did she do deborah has a reputation as a micro manager right you know that such
2:01:51an overused term but as somebody who would do something like that and get
2:01:57involved in the morning to approve I have heard that story before I have
2:02:04heard that Yahoo that she wanted approval over I don't know almost
2:02:09everybody who got hired anywhere that at some point and it became like a gating
2:02:12factor because obviously you know she's busy and you want to hire somebody for
2:02:17certain team and all of a sudden it's almost like what developers go through
2:02:21with like the App Store where like your appt you just want to fix a bug you just
2:02:26want to hire somebody to do this and in the meantime you take a seven day wait
2:02:29before it percolates to the top of her boxes she can look at it
2:02:34yeah I mean I I know there was a big she had a big focus on the new Yahoo News
2:02:42product launch that she was very involved in and that's actually a huge
2:02:49part of their operation and actually this is really how I think of them when
2:02:52I think about it cause I know a number of people in the media industry of gun
2:02:55to work for them a lot of anchors a lot of on on on air talent from TV networks
2:03:00have gone to work
2:03:01David Pogue David Pogue of course and they built a good team over there
2:03:10yeah I guess I don't think but that's enough
2:03:15yeah it's not enough to make them as big as they are right to be as in in the in
2:03:22the ring with Google and Apple and Facebook right and yeah I totally agree
2:03:30but somehow it feels to me like like there's a potential there that they
2:03:36could be but I don't think about when I think about what's been going on with
2:03:47the big players in intact and products Apple Google Microsoft and it really
2:03:54consider Facebook Facebook's in there are obviously many other companies but
2:03:59do anything about the year a lot of it was there wasn't necessarily anything
2:04:06majorly knew you know everyone's trying to compete to do a lot of the same
2:04:11things you can do it better
2:04:14who can also do it more securely a more private give us more privacy that was a
2:04:18big source of the competition this year certainly Apple wanted to play to that
2:04:23but you know when you think about where their real innovation or developments
2:04:29happen this year wasn't it wasn't that kind of year and whether what is what is
2:04:34going to be that sort of future for some of these companies are going to be an
2:04:42interesting one
2:04:44yeah this is the year of watches becoming like the real thing everybody
2:04:53is that even then was it a huge thing I don't think so but yeah it's you know
2:04:59but it's obviously that they go real thing that they're racing to do in the
2:05:04next I think we are definitely the next big thing because I think the technology
2:05:09is very close and hers unlike cars there are regulatory and legal hurdles to be
2:05:16passed the cars thing everybody is working on but it's so complicated and
2:05:20requires laws to be rewritten
2:05:23and you know just so much so much stuff that's gonna have to happen in public
2:05:28that its years out of ER things probably probably like a next year thing very
2:05:34yeah I mean like it was such a year of refinement and it's not a bad day like I
2:05:39don't I don't want to whine about it like nothing happened this you know it
2:05:44was such a great year for products becoming that were already good becoming
2:05:48great look at the iPhone like it was already such a near-perfect phone I
2:05:54think it could still be a little bit more perfect as I read my review but you
2:05:59know this is the device in our smartphones are the things that power so
2:06:02many of the other parts of our lives now they're just great
2:06:07yeah that's what's happening with computing to write like we want our
2:06:14computers and laptops or tablets to be even better and more like some of the
2:06:19mobile devices with iPad and we want to mobile devices like PCs right so it's
2:06:26just like the year of more refinement I think I don't think that that now and I
2:06:32think that the fact that it's sort of like a refinement and and it's created
2:06:41this the thing that we talked about earlier which is that it made it harder
2:06:46decide what to buy
2:06:47yeah because now that you can buy something like the iPad Pro which really
2:06:54can be more of a laptop but now that you can buy a laptop like the regular
2:06:58MacBook that says then in light is an iPad or something like the surface
2:07:05devices it just blurs the line and the fact that you know different things are
2:07:11way better on a giant size iPad pro but other things are still better on an iPad
2:07:16Mini but it really doesn't make sense to tell somebody will you should buy three
2:07:21iPads
2:07:23John Gruber life by three iPads right live with three iPads and a small one in
2:07:33every pocket and one in every compartment of your of your backpack I
2:07:37get my last question to you what are you ok
2:07:44asked about the iPhone then cuz I think most excited about and in 2016 for the
2:07:50iPhone what am I excited about where what I'm hoping for yeah I think what
2:07:57are you hoping for for the iPhone I was saying in general for the next year but
2:08:00I i specifically when asked about the iPhone you know it's interesting I know
2:08:05that there's rumors that are already out I did one last week about the headphone
2:08:12jack which sits you know it's weird if it comes true and it'll be a minor
2:08:17headache but in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal I find it
2:08:20interesting that there doesn't seem to be any specific rumors about what's
2:08:23coming in I guess my biggest hope as is that it's truly revolutionary upgrade on
2:08:34the camera that it really takes a step towards being able to stand toe-to-toe
2:08:40with like an SLR type camera not just point and shoots like I feel like
2:08:45point-and-shoots have been taken out and now it's you know what what can take
2:08:51like the you know what can take it can we give us an iPhone that stands up to
2:08:56like $1000 to handle on camera in terms of image quality and depth of field and
2:09:00stuff like that
2:09:02and so something like that and I heard a while back that you know and and I know
2:09:07Apple bought this some company or there's a patent that out there
2:09:11something but these ideas of use and other people are doing so despite having
2:09:16like to camera lenses and side-by-side and it can do like some kind of magic
2:09:21when you take a picture by combining two images and adapts the way that a device
2:09:28as then as an iPhone might be able to stand up to truly big camera with a
2:09:34bigger piece of really big piece of glasses the land and a significant
2:09:39distance yeah so that would be my biggest hope is that it's all about the
2:09:43camera but I i say that just purely from my own selfish what I hope they do this
2:09:48has nothing to do with anything that I have heard is coming right what about
2:09:52you what would you hope for I mean I wrote this in my review of the six as
2:09:59you know the thing that bothers me the most about my phone is battery life and
2:10:03having to worry about it I i would i would be really happy if if they started
2:10:10to discuss their work in wireless charging but I just don't feel like the
2:10:17solutions out there right now are very Apple that the biggest thing that people
2:10:23keep talking about with this room and that ties into the removal of the
2:10:26headphone jack the biggest thing people are complaining about that is that they
2:10:29frequently want to listen to audio while they charge their phone like you're
2:10:33sitting on the train or on an airplane or something like that and you have
2:10:37viewed your phone is you know about 40% what you can charge it but you're
2:10:42sitting there on the train or wherever you are my son does this all the time
2:10:46Jonas as all is all of these devices are under twenty percent at all times so
2:10:50he's always watching YouTube while with his headphones on
2:10:54while he's charging his device if they went to wireless charging it would that
2:11:00would solve it if there was like an apple watch type thing that could charge
2:11:04you know connected to the Apple logo or something on the back of your phone
2:11:07that solves the problem where you have that lightening jack for headphones and
2:11:11you can wirelessly charge yeah I mean the big problem with the wireless and
2:11:17I've tested a lot of these I did this big piece on Chargers last week was
2:11:21actually drilling in a way I tested like all these USB wall chargers
2:11:27but it was that that all these wireless solutions are just really slow like it
2:11:34takes a long time to go from 0 to 50 percent with many of these right to
2:11:38watch gets away with it because the watch has just a teeny tiny battery
2:11:41exactly yeah it'll be interesting I could see that I would like to you know
2:11:50there's a second thing that I would like to see it would be a region goering of
2:11:57their priorities on how much battery life the phone should get i mean it's
2:12:03very clear that what they've done because the battery life doesn't get
2:12:06worse but it stays the same unless you switch still plus so they just keep
2:12:12making it thinner and using the efficiencies of their new technology to
2:12:17keep the you know they keep making the device dinner and keeping the battery
2:12:20life the same I would love it if they like effectively decided to like
2:12:25multiply the battery life
2:12:28expect by like one and a half and obviously this year they did a lot of it
2:12:33through iOS nine and and software improvements and actually you know
2:12:36watching us to I i've noticed the battery life being better on this thing
2:12:40but it seems like that's only gonna get them so far
2:12:45yeah i i think i would like to see them you know like with the iPod iPad and
2:12:52iPod there they've long said 10 hours of battery life you get 10 hours of battery
2:12:56life from an iPad
2:12:58I would love for them to just sort of really W no double or like 1.5 the
2:13:06number that they tell you can get from an iPhone and then engineered from there
2:13:11whether that means keeping the device as then it is then as it is now we're using
2:13:18new technology or something like that but I I don't think that'll happen I
2:13:21would bet against that I think Apple is very much interested in chasing down SLR
2:13:27quality photography so I feel like whether they'll do it next year not at
2:13:32least my hopes are in alignment with Apple's institutional priorities my hope
2:13:39for battery life though does not seem to be in alignment with their institutional
2:13:43priorities their institutional priorities I think are still hyper
2:13:47focused on then yeah yeah I agree with you there
2:13:54well we shall see alright I'm gonna take a shower first that's great I can't wait
2:14:01I'm not going well congratulations and enjoy your vacation Joanna stern thank
2:14:08you so much vacation to CES I've never been we've talked about this and i still
2:14:16can I love Vegas I love gadgets and I've never been to CSIS long story short I
2:14:23hate opposite I hate Vegas but I love gadgets right
2:14:28long story short it's a really it's because it used to be immediately after
2:14:34Macworld Expo and I did go to macro Expo and there was no no way that I was gonna
2:14:40do to those things back to back and so I just never ever developed any kind of
2:14:46tradition of going to CES and it anytime it never occurred to me to maybe maybe I
2:14:54should maybe just one year I should go and you know right about and podcast
2:14:59like
2:14:59what it's like for an apple focused person to go to this you know more or
2:15:05less this consumer electronics show that is everything that's not Apple in the
2:15:08industry
2:15:09here's what's coming in at 12 more and more
2:15:15yeah well I mean you keep doing what you do best which is comment on the non
2:15:21Apple stuff but always pretty much it has been the last couple of years
2:15:25there's always some strong Apple rumor that seems to come out around but yes it
2:15:34is
2:15:34last year last year at CES there is this big rumor about what the MacBook was
2:15:38gonna
2:15:39the MacBook Air will ultimately end up being the MacBook with the air successor
2:15:45look like that they always somehow try to take the air out of whatever else is
2:15:53going on with it wouldn't be so you know I would expect here's my guess is that
2:16:01this year's CES is going to be destroyed gonna be all about virtual reality I
2:16:07know that's my guess and would you know would it be shocking if a rumor leaks
2:16:13right before CES that Apple is as a team working on var they said nothing else
2:16:20except that that would not surprise me one bit if a rumor like that was floated
2:16:26you know you know you know one of the reporters at the wall street journal
2:16:33probably you know or something like that wouldn't surprise me one bit but I
2:16:39always when it occurs to me that maybe I should go to CES it's always too late
2:16:44like right now i think is too late like everything's all the hotels are booked
2:16:47up and you know it's like the sort of thing you have to have to plan in
2:16:50advance and yeah well I would say you don't really need to come I would love
2:16:58to podcast with you from their little video thing it's it's pretty much I love
2:17:05CES because it is this time of the year where everyone gets really excited about
2:17:09gadgets and
2:17:10my favorite thing was like Neil I last year
2:17:13wrote this piece are they wrote a piece of ambergris gadgets are back and
2:17:16they're getting really people excited for CES and was like that's what I do
2:17:20all year ago you good thing I have a job again this year like people really
2:17:28excited about what's gonna come and then actually that at all
2:17:32tapers down and when you actually review the products that came out it's a yes or
2:17:35no one really cares but there is always the excitement around so yes people can
2:17:43read your work
2:17:46the wall street journal at the wsj.com to get to the section that you guys do
2:17:54with wsj.com takes away trade to The Wall Street Journal digital and on
2:18:06Twitter you are at Joanna stern I am thank you so much is going to be here we
2:18:17finally made it work and we didn't know we didn't talk about our favorite thing
2:18:21my favorite thing the blackberry but I will come back to talk about the next
2:18:25time did it does to be in business next time
2:18:28yes they have the new Android phone and I gave it pretty decent review I we will
2:18:40hold them back they can just be another Android phone maker maybe I think I
2:18:49think that's chip itself I think that they if they had done that I think what
2:18:53would you rate your view I think that if they had ship that phone for years ago
2:18:59definitely that is whenever you but I always holding on OK third stand up
2:19:06thing going to go okay