The Talk Show

138: ‘I’ve Been Using Mine More in Bed’, With Special Guest Joanna Stern

 

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  Joanna how are you in a while I think it has been a while but you hear no sirens [TS]

  and their dog like my last appearance on the show last appearance I think so yeah [TS]

  definitely very very angry angry angry listeners about the sirens as it has [TS]

  been a a very Joanna stern year and technology don't you think yeah just [TS]

  released me like 10 times well but I what I mean by that is that to me you [TS]

  are one of the most obsessed in our racket with you know laptop keyboards [TS]

  and tablets and you know where our portable computers going and it's been a [TS]

  crazy year in San and actually just had a conversation my editor about my column [TS]

  next week I think about she ditched the entire idea cuz it's too hard I hate to [TS]

  say that ditching some because you are but like trying to tell someone what to [TS]

  buy right now is just as to heart maybe maybe that's the angle to take though is [TS]

  to talk about how you can't really say here's what you should buy because it's [TS]

  too hard it really is too hard [TS]

  well I don't know I should not talk about what my idea was this someone just [TS]

  do it better than me but like my idea was that wanted to make a former chart [TS]

  it's like you just go in he tell Pete tell it this is what I want is what I [TS]

  want the computer to do this is how I use my computer this is the operating [TS]

  system I want and then it tells you what to get [TS]

  but making thats really really hard at the matrix has gotten very complicated [TS]

  so you could have been on and we did you know trying to work out a time works for [TS]

  you to be on the show [TS]

  at any point in like the last like two or three months to talk about the iPad [TS]

  pro or to talk about the surface book and the surface Pro for and all the kids [TS]

  and it's now we can just talk about moment and yeah and there is an iPhone [TS]

  before that then doing a lot of reviews a lot of products good products some not [TS]

  so good but really interesting to summarize this year I saw thing and I [TS]

  didn't see the breakdown maybe you did but I saw thing where you know every [TS]

  year there's with the Black Friday and the whole opening of the holiday [TS]

  shopping season that 64% of the online purchases over the weekend we're done on [TS]

  a mobile device [TS]

  downing the thing I don't know is what are they calling a mobile device is that [TS]

  doesn't include tablet or is that is it is it a breakdown by operating system I [TS]

  but isn't that I've been thinking about this for years but I feel like part of [TS]

  what makes this year but 2015 so interesting is that doing it by [TS]

  operating system really it doesn't make sense anymore [TS]

  very true I mean windows like right now I could be on their Windows Phone and [TS]

  they're actually on or they it says Windows 10 and they could be on like a [TS]

  fifty-foot desktop right and conversely right and conversely the the Apple's [TS]

  iPad the iPad Pro is gonna qualify bioassay as a mobile device but it's [TS]

  some definition it is certainly mobile where you're certainly using it you know [TS]

  without any connected to power in like they don't have to be [TS]

  but it's meant to be used on a desk of some sort or at least on your lap not [TS]

  like a handheld device right right I've been using mine more and more embed I [TS]

  like we've pretty much watched all of Jane Jane the Virgin on the iPad Pro [TS]

  it's really really interesting as a TV yeah like the last two trips and I've [TS]

  taken just took me I have this problem I have to take the air makes me feel [TS]

  better but it pretty much only used the Pro which you know that's the difference [TS]

  between when you like review something for a week and then you really start [TS]

  using it I just as it traveled device it's it's really good you know as much [TS]

  as it gets kind of crazy that you're just like kind of is the top of the [TS]

  laptop screen like just taking that off and having the screen without the [TS]

  keyboard to watch Netflix is is huge and it's like 90 times better than my my air [TS]

  so alright let's keep going with it let's keep going with talking about the [TS]

  iPad pro and we'll get to the other devices in due time I have found and [TS]

  it's one of the little things that really makes a huge difference between [TS]

  the and I know you mentioned this in your iPad pro review for the for the [TS]

  journal if you just look at the numbers 9.7 inch for the standard iPhone iPad [TS]

  size to twelve point whatever INS's this one is doesn't sound like a lot for some [TS]

  reason in my brain but in practice it's a tremendous difference and one of the [TS]

  things and I don't think I it's like you just said it sometimes it's so hard in [TS]

  one week one week you get between when you get a review unit and when the [TS]

  reviews come out it's hard to cover all the bases but I've heard this from a lot [TS]

  of people who you know readers fireball that [TS]

  it's a huge huge deal for anybody who deals with actual documents like 90 [TS]

  lawyers for example everything they do is I get half by eleven pieces of paper [TS]

  and I've also heard from some people in education that for a teacher's it's a [TS]

  huge deal if you have like students submitting work in any kind of word [TS]

  processing document words page now they can you know they can read them right [TS]

  there on the iPad and it's not tiny it like the sides it's supposed to be and [TS]

  what I've done I I haven't been in a comic books in years but I started [TS]

  reading comic books on it and it's all the difference in the world like what I [TS]

  think one of the reasons I never really got into reading comic books on the iPad [TS]

  before is it was just too small and now I thought and inactive even tweeted a [TS]

  picture of it it's just like side-by-side with like an actual comic [TS]

  book it's it's like the actual size it absolutely standard size for a comic [TS]

  book and TV i think is a similar type thing we're like laying in bed or sit on [TS]

  a chair somewhere and just having it right in front of you it's it feels it [TS]

  fills your field of vision in a way that the iPad didn't ya and definitely for [TS]

  like sharing you know sharing a viewing experience it's great you that's why did [TS]

  feel like that the iPad would be small is like if you're watching a video with [TS]

  somebody you know especially in an airplane when you like your boat trying [TS]

  to watch the iPad in about the middle seat bar between you and you know it's [TS]

  it's just been great for watching Netflix together so that should be there [TS]

  next add just be like a shot of two people watching netflix on the iPad [TS]

  really close together for marketing seems like a perfect dad does have one [TS]

  like that with the music I seem to recall that there was an apple add that [TS]

  involved some sort of romantic moment where I don't know I get teenagers but [TS]

  they were sharing their headphones yeah [TS]

  I know and the tagline instant Netflix and chill I don't pick up was gonna put [TS]

  in place until I think that's what Apple's and do just put it right across [TS]

  the center of the ad they they sort of have a ban on contentious relationship [TS]

  with Netflix oh yeah i knows only semi competitive but maybe it's also better [TS]

  ad for the smaller iPad you know because if that's what you're really after you [TS]

  know you're watching a movie you're trying to get closer you probably want a [TS]

  smaller iPad so you can get closer together have gone too far with this so [TS]

  you still but you still take your MacBook Air everywhere you go [TS]

  yeah yeah it's i mean there's really a piece of shit now to looking at it and [TS]

  there's crime stuck in between the bezel on the right underneath the oh and the [TS]

  MacBook the first not the second is just like I think it's a piece of bread yeah [TS]

  really it's I went to potbelly for lunch so it's probably it's probably whole [TS]

  wheat bread anyway yes I take it I take it because I don't know why it take it i [TS]

  mean there's certain apps that I you really are not even some certain apps [TS]

  Photoshop I use during the day sometimes I do some video editing and stuff like [TS]

  that I think it's mostly comes down to the multitasking I think you know a [TS]

  reader asked me today on Twitter he was trying to decide between the iPad Pro [TS]

  and MacBook Air and I i really think it just comes down to chew things it's not [TS]

  power i mean it's certainly not power not screen because the probe kills it on [TS]

  screen all these other things I think it comes down to peripherals and [TS]

  multitasking what do you think is there something I'm missing [TS]

  yeah I think that covers it well and then the other the other day only other [TS]

  thing I could think of the two big ticket like this might be the primary [TS]

  reason that you decide would be are there apps that only exists on one or [TS]

  the other [TS]

  right you know and there are some that are many fact that exist on both you [TS]

  know there's also a great writing apps for example that have you know clients [TS]

  you know for both both platforms so you don't have to decide there are other [TS]

  things that are either Mac only or now there's a lot of apps that are iPad on [TS]

  me so if you're if you feel like you need one of those decisions made [TS]

  yeah I mean the file system is another really big one I guess I would be the [TS]

  third big thing you know and i cant consider that under multi-housing which [TS]

  is not part of it but you know I just DOF lots of different styles and hear [TS]

  people sent word documents unfortunately in there marked up and you gotta [TS]

  download them and you gotta look at them and you get to reattach them and you [TS]

  know that's still a place where the iPad issues not you know in trying to make it [TS]

  simpler sometimes just really hard you know I actually wrote about in their [TS]

  review our internet the whole thing came in but like I was just trying to get a [TS]

  PDF from one app to another and just can't really do it right there is no [TS]

  central file to put something in you can put it in iCloud iCloud drive but I just [TS]

  don't like to go there [TS]

  yeah and not every app supports it depends where you you know it's the same [TS]

  with Dropbox were there are definitely some apps that you can you know use a [TS]

  pay for this and send a thing from be by putting it in your Dropbox and both apps [TS]

  have Dropbox integration but you really can't count on it across all apps right [TS]

  and you have to like hope that the share system works well in that apt to bring [TS]

  it to the other app they were Adobe apps that I was using whereas on the Mac you [TS]

  would [TS]

  be shocked I I would be and in fact it would do instantly make me any appetite [TS]

  use on a regular basis well about to say would work and if I was trying a new app [TS]

  and this didn't work it would almost certainly made me think this apt is [TS]

  piece of junk I'm just gonna spending more time in which is if if I'm in a [TS]

  context where I want to add a JPEG doesn't matter is the email attachment [TS]

  is I just want to send it to you I'm using the chat I want to send you this [TS]

  picture I wanna add it to a document where I know the document can you can [TS]

  add images to the document I would just take it from the Finder where I see the [TS]

  document the image and drag it over and dropped it and it works everywhere and [TS]

  it's worked like that since you know I don't know 1984 drag stuff where he [TS]

  wanted to go and it's crazy it's still crazy to me and it's one of those things [TS]

  where I feel like I'm speaking second language when I'm trying to work on iOS [TS]

  which is that drag-n-drop isn't really even at then there ya know I mean like [TS]

  on Tuesdays which is like my big file column video day my entire desktop is a [TS]

  mess it's like my worst nightmare when I go to someone's computer and see like [TS]

  just billions of files all over their desktop but they always clean it up [TS]

  always clean it up Tuesday night but like the reason that is just think it's [TS]

  the easy to put something there that I drag it to Dropbox and send it to my [TS]

  video editor I pulled down 15 at it from a print editor I then send it right back [TS]

  you know attach it put it into Gmail drive it into Gmail yeah I mean I think [TS]

  it's things like that those like sort of like and hate to say is I think those [TS]

  are the things that like make me old like I'm worried that these are the [TS]

  things that like I'm gonna be that old person thats like a week this is why I [TS]

  can't recommend this because it doesn't have a USB port [TS]

  you know something like that where I feel like I feel old when I say these [TS]

  things but you get in these routines of how you work [TS]

  I feel the exact same way where I live I don't want to be curmudgeonly that way [TS]

  and I see it from the feedback I get from readers where some of them are they [TS]

  angry but they seem to be frustrated with the whole hey maybe you can load [TS]

  for some people you may be able to really just work on an iPad pro and they [TS]

  rejected and they're like and and they say how could you know how can you work [TS]

  if you can't do YZ and I can see why I swear I see them doing is they're [TS]

  projecting I can't work with ex-wife and I actually believe them I believe that [TS]

  they you know that this is important and there are definitely some tasks where [TS]

  you really want to be able to access you have something like the Finder where you [TS]

  can have just an arbitrary list of files of any type just drag them but there are [TS]

  you crazy if you don't think that there's a lot of people who don't need [TS]

  that [TS]

  whose workflow doesn't involve files yeah system at all and I think that's [TS]

  why I feel like there's some days where I don't know I don't need that and you [TS]

  know that's what a majority of users on that I can't say percentages but many [TS]

  people like you said don't meet some of these things and that's where I think [TS]

  you know I I think I go back a little bit into what I wrote in my pro review [TS]

  it it certainly feels right now it's a niche product maybe it is maybe it [TS]

  really does have more appeal at this point that I think I don't get specific [TS]

  on it but maybe it has much more appeal than I thought right now as more and [TS]

  more people ask me about it and when I'm trying to guide them between getting a [TS]

  laptop in the Pro it ends up saying yeah the Pro is actually going to be [TS]

  perfectly great for what you need and are you don't have an iPad or you [TS]

  haven't updated your iPad in years [TS]

  yeah go for it yeah so I'm just really interested in what Apple's going to be [TS]

  able to do with the software to make it to make it [TS]

  closer to what some people want his laptop experience yeah I think you and I [TS]

  highlighted that that sense but in your review but more or less and and you know [TS]

  that's not a unique observation but I thought you said it very well but [TS]

  something more or less along the lines of comparing it to the surface search [TS]

  her certainly the surface Pro's from Microsoft they the surface Pro's are [TS]

  saddled with the overly complex Windows 10 and I Pad Pro is saddled with what is [TS]

  still clearly an iPhone operating system [TS]

  yeah right and so they're approaching both companies are approaching a they're [TS]

  trying to get to the same place but Microsoft is going is approaching it [TS]

  with a more complex legacy operating system and apples approaching it with an [TS]

  overly simplistic met for a little for five mins 3 45 mins device operating [TS]

  system right and i think thats like what's going to be fascinating to watch [TS]

  over the next couple years is like how do they both get there like once gotta [TS]

  add one's gotta like no one's gotta pick up pieces on the route and the others [TS]

  got it somehow dump them hopefully I don't know what Microsoft's plan is with [TS]

  a lot of the bloat that's in Windows but yeah I I totally appreciate that is [TS]

  incredibly hard problem for both companies to solve a lot of times a week [TS]

  you know we on the outside can sit here and complain make it I i there are some [TS]

  problems that are frustrating as it really does seem like it ought to be [TS]

  easy for a company to fix and maybe it's not and you don't want to you know who [TS]

  knows what the reasons are behind it but this is one where clearly it's [TS]

  complicated but like just one specific issue with the pro I do you use the [TS]

  multitasking on the probe the two things at the same time multitasking [TS]

  from the left all the time and it's one of those things that [TS]

  quickly became a habit for me so to compare and contrast I think that it's [TS]

  taken me longer to become a habit is the new the new way in iowa's 9 that you can [TS]

  put two fingers on the keyboard and move the insertion point around when you're [TS]

  editing taxed yeah I love it but I keep forgetting to use it whereas the [TS]

  multitasking touch yeah same thing 3d touch I like it and and I'm starting to [TS]

  make it a habit but its I keep forgetting about it whereas the [TS]

  multitasking on the iPad Pro is like I took to it for sure exactly but yeah but [TS]

  for example you can't put to Safari windows side by side right yeah I [TS]

  mentioned in my review and a stand-up hold on my watch me do you hear it from [TS]

  you today I don't know you feel guilty hitting that mute first for today yet [TS]

  today [TS]

  now what I do is I've had sound off on my my Apple watch for months and I [TS]

  forget it's just been there's too many times where I want it to be mute and so [TS]

  I was like yeah I don't really like 30 minutes again and we can have a [TS]

  conversation over again i dont bad meeting for the day when it's this early [TS]

  if it still isn't even dark out too soon [TS]

  the day's almost over 3 o'clock but it's not really almost everybody like the [TS]

  office soon I think you can always leave an office that while this is why I don't [TS]

  have never been no one's watching me know what no one knows where I am this [TS]

  is why I was never a good employee but I've always felt like as soon as it's [TS]

  dark outside you can leave so yeah I to New York yeah it's perfect [TS]

  makes me a substandard employee but yeah I mean really nobody's watching a movie [TS]

  that's what I think that would be awesome if you live on a Mac or Windows [TS]

  you it would be crazy to think you couldn't have to browser tabs Windows [TS]

  whatever you want to call them side by side it would be crazy and that's where [TS]

  we are though on iOS and I don't know what the solution is why I I think it [TS]

  seems to me like with this the way that the rules of iOS multitasking we slide [TS]

  over and if you want to switch which happens in that right-hand pane white [TS]

  can't Safari be listed in there too [TS]

  yeah and actually like I wouldn't mind that on the iPhone to like I wouldn't [TS]

  mind being able to separate out tabs as a new window so like I find it annoying [TS]

  someone like sometimes I go back and forth between tude websites and so you [TS]

  know you gotta hit the top button in the right corner what if I could just double [TS]

  tap to see choose safari window side by side you know in in the multitasking [TS]

  dead traced carousel thing you know i i want that sometimes and the same thing [TS]

  with any with a good like a document editing thing where if God whatever [TS]

  happy you use for text editing let's just say the built-in no tap why [TS]

  wouldn't you want to be able to have two of those side by side so you get out [TS]

  wine that was your note for an article and the other is the article you're [TS]

  writing I mean I this is a secret about me i my most used apps on my Mac is text [TS]

  at it I have a lot of people that's is it that's the I think so I feel like [TS]

  inferior like you know it's just like so simple and great right now have twenty [TS]

  txt Edit windows open I have untitled 21 right now I just like open them and you [TS]

  know jot down notes and then I just closed them yes it's because they have [TS]

  like three of the little ones on my screen right [TS]

  now for like three different things I'm working on it would love to be able to [TS]

  put two of them side by side on the pro yeah yeah there were rumors last year's [TS]

  team I mean really what did they do it no offense txt Edit team that has not [TS]

  been many updates to your absence like ever and they should get on it just it [TS]

  advice for the text entity love what you're doing love your work lovey Rapids [TS]

  my most used apps on my Mac but maybe start working on the iOS version it's [TS]

  funny that there was a rumor last year that there was going to be a text at it [TS]

  for iOS and preview to that and the seemingly another one of my favorites [TS]

  yeah I mean preview this is this is where when I sometimes really try and [TS]

  make the switch back to Windows these are some of the apps that are so court [TS]

  of the operating system that that Microsoft just doesn't have previous a [TS]

  great example Microsoft just doesn't have something like preview on Windows [TS]

  10 like a basic thing where you can look at photos yes but some of those basic [TS]

  editing tools and in the ease of using them not there [TS]

  yeah right just if you want to make a quick crop or yeah quick crop resize the [TS]

  photo I mean it's a great again the preview team really probably my second [TS]

  use most used apps on my Mac here's an example there I got a a complimentary [TS]

  review copy of a new book from the people at a List Apart thank you to them [TS]

  for sending it to me as very kindly send it to me by email and I opened it up and [TS]

  I started reading and it was actually a book on responsive web design so it's [TS]

  obviously something I need to read my website still isn't responsive [TS]

  started reading it and I don't know hours later next day I wanted I want to [TS]

  keep reading that book and I was on the iPad program like WoW is that and I'd [TS]

  like blanked out for a couple of seconds like why can't I find it here and then I [TS]

  realized oh there's no preview here you know there is a way to do that you can [TS]

  use iBooks you can you know open the PDF and iBooks and it it'll sync across and [TS]

  you can read on a Mac and read here but I use preview not I books to read PDFs [TS]

  because it's you know when you double-click it that's what it open to [TS]

  your Mac right I mean I guess on iOS they just figure photos is the answer [TS]

  but photos doesn't have support for PDF in some of those kind of features that [TS]

  you haven't preview I i think what it is more is that they even with iCloud and [TS]

  even with the new iCloud drive which does work pretty well I think I mean my [TS]

  experience it it sinks pretty pretty reliably and pretty quickly but I feel [TS]

  like they they're reversed adding document oriented apps to iOS rate as [TS]

  opposed to let's say notes where the New Notes app is updated on Mac OS and its [TS]

  updated on iOS but you don't have files you know not technically there are files [TS]

  hidden somewhere in New York you know Library folder somewhere but there's no [TS]

  files that are actually exposed to whereas preview is still about opening [TS]

  period dot PDF files and texted that comes back to a file system right but [TS]

  they haven't they have it with iCloud down and they have the iCloud drive out [TS]

  but it's almost like they don't want to even even with the fact that it's that [TS]

  is now technically possible to do you know in a pretty easy you know way I [TS]

  feel like they're just averse to it on like [TS]

  philosophical grounds on us yeah I mean the problem I guess if you're using [TS]

  drive and you really are invested in that maybe you don't have a lot of these [TS]

  problems are you do have a problem if some of the apps don't use it [TS]

  closure of what do you use it all really use it for photos [TS]

  yeah yeah that's that's different yeah that's that's just iCloud photo sinking [TS]

  where it's not really a Google world's so then what do you know I don't i dont [TS]

  i dont I try to use as little Google stuff as possible so with Google where [TS]

  do you think so you use Google Drive to sink documents from one thing to another [TS]

  yeah how does that work in the Finder I don't even though how does it work on a [TS]

  Mac it well you you can sync all your Google Drive staff to your Mac I [TS]

  actually don't do that I actually just go through the Chrome browser because I [TS]

  don't want their and I think that that's more likely the most natural way to do [TS]

  it and I mean mostly everything for me is right in it for me I'm out that I do [TS]

  use iCloud drive but it only works for certain apps I mean my primary wave of [TS]

  like hey I would if I have a file that I wanna be available everywhere I put in [TS]

  my Dropbox folder dropbox is the way more important to me [TS]

  method yeah I mean I guess I just I really use drive for my documents like [TS]

  my documents I'm like actively editing and filing actually do file to my [TS]

  editors [TS]

  Google Docs now for me it's Dropbox like anything [TS]

  I have been working on an article for Darren fireball it's a text file but it [TS]

  saved saved to a folder in Dropbox but it's a good workaround yeah I usually [TS]

  write a lot in text that and then copy into weird things actually I write most [TS]

  my columns inward still there till I just feel comfortable Sunday when I rate [TS]

  even when everybody scripts I just feel really comfortable and word just like my [TS]

  my place you know so just go into a two-word 2001 2011 I'm sorry 2011 and [TS]

  that's where I am so weird thing I guess I should probably read this too well not [TS]

  the BBEdit isn't relevant but the fact that I use of programming text editor as [TS]

  my writing thing is you know it's not really because I need to it's just that [TS]

  we've always done my writing and so it's it's it's a comfort thing I think you [TS]

  want to be as you know writers famously you know whether they're picky about [TS]

  which brand pencil they use if they write in longhand or certain brand of [TS]

  typewriter or even less certain certain types of paper for to put a typewriter [TS]

  writers have always been fussy about the fact that I think it's because we have [TS]

  so many problems just problems in general like you know I just like don't [TS]

  know how I want to write something in our like it's one of those pieces into [TS]

  the iPad was a good example the proud there were so many different ways [TS]

  could've gone about it and I wanted to go about it at all said to rate for a [TS]

  very mainstream audience on it and so I had to tell us such a hard time figuring [TS]

  out where to start that peace and I probably opened like every text editing [TS]

  program I had on my computer and just like maybe if I rated in here something [TS]

  will come you know like you just every procrastination technique and it usually [TS]

  involves opening like every text editor I have on my computer like that [TS]

  sometimes too especially with with the iPad perot I wanted to write my review [TS]

  on the iPad process i didnt have been added so it wasn't like you know so I [TS]

  just started writing in three or four different apps and then I got very [TS]

  confused about where the part that I wrote about the pencil out any other ya [TS]

  know why I did the same kind of things I was actually the day I started like [TS]

  sitting down to rate was running the battery test so I was writing on my Mac [TS]

  but then I actually ended up writing a lot of it in pages because it was you [TS]

  know I used I guess I used a close drive for that day [TS]

  yeah you don't even know what though didn't even know it all right let me [TS]

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  even have their own custom audio player they even support built-in things like [TS]

  building an RSS feed [TS]

  with all the weird iTunes stuff you need for podcast anything you anything you [TS]

  need for your own personal website or a company website or any sort of web site [TS]

  or even your dog yeah website for your dog you could use you know I'm not about [TS]

  this you know how I like to talk about your sponsors actually did this also on [TS]

  the verge cast a couple weeks ago I wrote about how to build your own [TS]

  website a couple of months ago and I fell in love with Squarespace and I [TS]

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  so when you go to browser in your browser dot com now that was made with [TS]

  Squarespace what's the website what's the address browser in your browser [TS]

  browser in your browser dot com and there's an example of a [TS]

  a website built with Squarespace it does not make the rounds on podcasts to talk [TS]

  about Squarespace there it is [TS]

  heritage browser in your browser dot com really nice website ok I even I even [TS]

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  it really is Joanna stern isn't even paid for this I am but I'm telling you [TS]

  right now if you need a website spend an hour in the Squarespace for free and [TS]

  before you tried doing it any other way and you will be surprised at how far you [TS]

  go [TS]

  plans start at unbelievable $8 a month which includes everything I guess not [TS]

  just like you know you build your website and then you have to go find a [TS]

  web host which is where you gonna hosted you know you've got like a big pile of [TS]

  HTML files and stuff and you know it's all built in [TS]

  Squarespace does it all you get a free trial to start no credit card required [TS]

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  to Squarespace seriously beautiful beautiful website usability I can't I'm [TS]

  paying I'm actually paying the $9 a month like you just said for the custom [TS]

  domain and for the hosts and I need to update the site I need to update tonight [TS]

  I'm updating this ago and it is nicely it is actually very nicely responsive to [TS]

  hear I am dragging the window around and that's one of the nice things you can [TS]

  see the view I did have a column I like I mean they sponsor so many podcasts and [TS]

  I know that people I don't know the people people tune it out or what [TS]

  it it is a remarkable service it really is and there's nothing else like it I [TS]

  can't think of anything I know there's other ways to host websites but in the [TS]

  end all you need to know is that Squarespace was the top pick that one [TS]

  browser in your browser dot com there we go I reviewed like three or four about a [TS]

  really went through the things it was a really popular article because a lot of [TS]

  our readers have small businesses and we're interested in I got tons of [TS]

  interesting emails to people that want it on websites just for small things [TS]

  they wanted to do and can't believe how easy was yeah you need to go work for [TS]

  Squarespace what am I say I need to go basically so people that they're right [TS]

  next device on the list I would I would love to pick her mind about surface Pro [TS]

  for and the surface book I have to I actually just got the mail room just [TS]

  dropped off the latest surface book which they tell me [TS]

  Microsoft descent says this is the shipping unit I should have no problems [TS]

  but that's where we should back up and talk about some of the problems I happen [TS]

  to have to take it out of the box [TS]

  yeah what an interesting what an interesting series of announcements from [TS]

  Microsoft you know the book my review is was very actually just be honest and [TS]

  tell you the story about what happened with the review so I loved using the the [TS]

  service book i think is an incredible piece of hardware that Microsoft made [TS]

  everything from sort of the screen to have the keyboard works in the trackpad [TS]

  actually finally working very very well you know after years of reviewing just [TS]

  really just terrible i mean you know I have I have probably a lot of emotional [TS]

  and psychological [TS]

  issues because of how many terrible Windows laptop cyber viewed it was just [TS]

  such a nice change it's just such a you know it was a really big step I think in [TS]

  in the history of Windows laptops so this really good review and then the [TS]

  first unit I had had some issues actually the first surface Pro for I had [TS]

  had some issues and so would restart and then the surface book for the first one [TS]

  I had had a driver issue and so it kind of kept crashing and then they sent me [TS]

  another one and about 24 hours before filing that review going up just [TS]

  completely crashed the hard drive just completely crashed can restart Windows [TS]

  and and I know there was a a couple of other bugs that they said we're gonna be [TS]

  sorted through and then other reviewers have the same problems so I ended up [TS]

  basically saying it could recommend the service book and so now I'm at a point [TS]

  where I'm retesting it to see if they did stop this hard drive problem it [TS]

  sounds like what I from what I can tell and I did not get under review but I'm [TS]

  not really in that bracket but but I've seen it and I was at like a Microsoft [TS]

  event here in Philadelphia where Ben Rudolph and I was like the lead [TS]

  evangelist for these things you know the whole thing and he was kind enough to [TS]

  invite me and I got to spend some time using it there but you know it's very [TS]

  different than spending a week with it but it sounds to me from reading [TS]

  everything that what Microsoft did is they ceded the review units before they [TS]

  had the whatever you want to call it golden master this is what's gonna go to [TS]

  consumers and there you know where some pretty serious bugs because it wasn't [TS]

  just you it was pretty much everybody kind of ran into the same issues [TS]

  yeah I mean there were bugs and then there were hardware problems and bugs [TS]

  definitely did make it into shipping units I got many emails and tweets from [TS]

  readers who said I had the same problems I just went back to the Microsoft Store [TS]

  I return [TS]

  earned it you know there was some clear quality control issues that just clear [TS]

  issues that made it through to shipping units I didn't hear about the hard drive [TS]

  failures you know yes and Microsoft did say that they've had sent review units [TS]

  with different hard drives and they had caught these issues at the factory so I [TS]

  had had the problem first on the surface Pro for and then again you know the [TS]

  service book as well so yeah I'm hoping this time around if everything goes as [TS]

  well and I can goes well and I can actually you know really recommend this [TS]

  as the best Windows laptop ever made but does it have an actual hard drive in it [TS]

  it's not a necessity but there but they had problems they had problems but yeah [TS]

  there there SSDs with some sort of issue and it's actually changed out the [TS]

  manufacture of it interesting so let's give him the benefit of the doubt for [TS]

  now and and talk about it as what it's supposed to be and but let's assume that [TS]

  they're gonna iron out the bugs and manufacturing issues talk about it just [TS]

  forwarded you know what it should be [TS]

  yeah I mean I took this like any i mean i think one of the things that's been [TS]

  interesting about Microsoft over the last here is like you know when they [TS]

  looked at the tablet market they had to kind of say well what's our strength our [TS]

  strength is not with the iPad is we haven't created a really touch friendly [TS]

  platform networks are we have tried to create a touch-friendly platform and it [TS]

  failed you know Windows 8 and we haven't got the apps to make this that really [TS]

  great immersive compelling experience that the iPad has [TS]

  but we do find his people want to do more work on these things so we wanna [TS]

  make tablets more productive which really was like ok we're gonna be [TS]

  tablets that can replace your laptop and I was like ok so what I just make a [TS]

  laptop like the tablet really couldn't replace your laptop in it could but it [TS]

  wasn't as good as a laptop and it certainly wasn't as good as the laptops [TS]

  they had kept putting it up against which was the air so they can be [TS]

  convincing us like we're really gonna productivity and so you should want to [TS]

  buy a device that can actually be a good laptop and was like just make a laptop [TS]

  and so now they made a laptop but it's actually still tablet and so kind of [TS]

  just like you know that's trying to wrap my head around the whole industry right [TS]

  now which is gonna be laptops laptops tablets in the case of Microsoft they've [TS]

  got a phone that wants to be a desktop you know what are all of this kind of [TS]

  hybridization of things and what do we actually want to use and I think with [TS]

  the surface but it's actually coming to a point where it's like ok this could [TS]

  just kind of feels like the future it doesn't it isn't the best right now it's [TS]

  not a great tablet is actually pretty terrible tablet when you think about [TS]

  that the battery life is really bad when to take it off the dock but the idea [TS]

  that you know tablets can just be the tops of our laptops keyboards are just [TS]

  being added back to these things to make a laptop's makes kind of sense so I kind [TS]

  of looked at it from that perspective and then I just really try to look at it [TS]

  as like this is a Windows laptop and it's like got the build up an Apple [TS]

  laptop it's got a touchpad that actually works that i dont wanna hook up a huge [TS]

  mouse to it got a beautiful screen and so on hardware Microsoft finally giving [TS]

  us something that heightens and makes windows worth it but no but that's why [TS]

  it's so when when I was at the iPad pro event in September and in a hands-on [TS]

  area I was hanging out with my friend Michael Johnson [TS]

  K Dr wave on Twitter who developer Pixar and rights you know internal tools for [TS]

  Pixar and and has written a lot of software to use the Wacom tablets and [TS]

  also you know for their artists I hung around with him because he knows what [TS]

  the hell he's talking about in terms of evaluating you know a stylist and one of [TS]

  the things he did when he first got to try the Apple pencil on the iPad Pro is [TS]

  all he did was just just put the pencil down and just started scribbling circles [TS]

  just spirally circles and just watching the latency that's all he did just to [TS]

  see and he was very impressive and it always wanted to test it first was the [TS]

  palm rejection and if hebrew squiggles really really fast didn't keep up that's [TS]

  exactly what I did when I got to try the the surface book with the trackpad is I [TS]

  just wanted to see just put my finger on the trackpad and look at the mouse [TS]

  cursor and I just moved it around you know in a circle really fast to see is [TS]

  this does this work like a MacBook trackpad where it great [TS]

  or is it like every other PC dive ever put my hands on in recent years where [TS]

  it's you know I can I can see why people still miss the ThinkPad now been because [TS]

  the track at six and it was great that the surface pro trackpad and then again [TS]

  I did I spend a week with it no internet have just that quick test it was great I [TS]

  mean I'm reviewer who has said for the last five years it is probably Apple's [TS]

  most favorite thing that I have said that Apple makes the best Windows [TS]

  computer and I said it when I was working at Engadget I was working at the [TS]

  verge and I said it here at the journal when you install Windows on a MacBook [TS]

  Air or MacBook Pro Windows runs better there than it does on pretty much any [TS]

  other laptop I've ever tested in the last ten years and that was a product [TS]

  that is a problem for Microsoft you know as more people buy iPhones [TS]

  more and more people see what Apple does in terms of hardware and software [TS]

  collaboration that is a problem for Microsoft especially in the place where [TS]

  they most want us to look to them which is work doing things and so i think you [TS]

  know that's where the surface book ok maybe they're not going to sell as many [TS]

  as they they may want and I think that I think the pricing structure and is [TS]

  certainly if you ask my opinion I think a lot of it is to protect the OEMs in [TS]

  their partners right now I think there's very clear delineation of what's been [TS]

  happening you know this is a computer that starts well above $1,200 once you [TS]

  get it to where you want it [TS]

  most PC buyers buy things under $1000 but still I just think as it as a proof [TS]

  of concept and for Microsoft to say look we can actually make great hardware for [TS]

  a really great operating system that we have out right now we can do it too [TS]

  yeah they're they're dancing in a very precarious situation dealing with the [TS]

  OEM and and have been ever since they started with the very first surface [TS]

  which was really you know clearly not as much as more even though you know when [TS]

  did the first one they had the two versions one who was the surface that [TS]

  was armed and more like an iPad and ran a different version of windows and then [TS]

  they had the surface pro it had an Intel chip and ran the full version of Windows [TS]

  8 even though it was for Windows a computer it was clearly less of a hey [TS]

  this isn't a true alternative to a laptop from Dell or from Lenovo or HP [TS]

  wherever you know your name [TS]

  it was definitely this is like a new concept whereas the you know now there [TS]

  have you know starting from that point there clearly and now with the surface [TS]

  book there clearly that they have an alternative to a laptop from one of [TS]

  their OEM partners and that's a weird place for them to be right and I think [TS]

  you're right that the pricing they had a cheaper skew and it's not here now [TS]

  $1500 now which is definitely premium even Apple standards yeah I mean most [TS]

  people are buying that thousand dollar it it definitely has impressive build [TS]

  quality though and I'm not surprised by that I think the entire story of this [TS]

  this device the fact that the first units that were sent out had these weird [TS]

  bugs in manufacturing things well you know just what hardware his hard and [TS]

  Microsoft is still sort of new added and it's a tribute to the expertise of the [TS]

  existing companies Apple certainly but even on the PC side you know that that [TS]

  most PC's that you test right don't have those are two problems that unusual for [TS]

  you to get a review unit has problems [TS]

  yes well [TS]

  I'm trying to think back I have had many instances where PC manufacturers had [TS]

  really messed up certain components and they just did not work but you know what [TS]

  you kind of seemed more forgivable in that and those whose about this unusual [TS]

  but not unprecedented yes yes absolutely [TS]

  so it's not surprising that there it to me that they're having these problems [TS]

  but on the other hand they have been making Microsoft has made peripherals [TS]

  for a long time I mean as long as I can remember Microsoft has been making mice [TS]

  and keyboards and their their mice and keyboards have always been excellent I [TS]

  mean truly top-notch yeah [TS]

  entry-level 1500 I don't know for some reason I thought it was 1300 it's it's [TS]

  1500 on the surface book so I'm I'm also I thought I thought that the keyboard on [TS]

  the surface book was excellent the trackpad was excellent driver support to [TS]

  make sure that the good hardware trackpad actually translated to a good [TS]

  experience on screen was absolutely seamless yeah yeah I mean the issues [TS]

  really did come down to I think there were some issues with the drivers for [TS]

  the display that was causing a couple of flickering issues and then obviously [TS]

  there was an excited take this one at the box and see how it goes but I know [TS]

  I've heard from a lot of happy buyers when it comes to it's also really really [TS]

  powerful system so I don't like the pan to a mean I actually still now prefer [TS]

  the iPad propane over the surface Penn [TS]

  have lost both of them so thats [TS]

  your review you said you only had lost the cap but now you can I think I know [TS]

  where it is I mean this is a really big problem many its 2015 and we cannot find [TS]

  her statuses we we need a better way to keep track of our statuses and actually [TS]

  they have that feature where if the stylus goes too far away it will tell [TS]

  you on your phone I don't know if they have that in the current no but they had [TS]

  it something like that is I think the key to prevention of the loss the [TS]

  kidnapping of the I thought about the I kind of I do enjoy one of my favorite [TS]

  watch features is the make your phone beep yeah yeah we need something like [TS]

  that well but the problem I think would be that I suspect that the pencil I [TS]

  suspect that the pencil turmoil with a new speaker and be it would need to be [TS]

  on all the time like the reason it works for finding your phone is that telephone [TS]

  is off its on in some degree and a pencil I think one of the reasons I get [TS]

  such a seemingly amazing battery life is that it somehow turns off very [TS]

  intelligent manner when you're not using it so I don't know what they have I did [TS]

  a piece a couple of years ago [TS]

  Bluetooth Low Energy trackers and so those work when they're in the vicinity [TS]

  of your phone so possibly can and there's really interesting crowdsourcing [TS]

  stuff that's happening with those that if those are in their proximity of [TS]

  another one of those like the tile trackers are the tracker like those [TS]

  those can talk to each other so what if all the style is could talk to each [TS]

  other that would be something I can be solved the problem [TS]

  it's definitely a problem when I do my number one let's talk about the style is [TS]

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  money with them but it's it's interesting but I really puts me out [TS]

  that I have like the show is obviously the show is obviously sort of seat of [TS]

  the pants operation really spooks me that it that they are like that thing [TS]

  comes with this big thing and I've spoken to them on the phone to you know [TS]

  get briefed on how the whole thing works and they're very nice people but they [TS]

  like to have in all caps bold you must read this for legal purposes it freaks [TS]

  me out with this surface book I think you know you're clearly you know it's [TS]

  clearly a laptop first tablet second for multiple reasons you know it's it's part [TS]

  of the GPU processing is in the part that you detach the keyboard part and [TS]

  like you said it doesn't get the battery life is all bored but it's it WAY less [TS]

  cumbersome than I thought it's you know including the software support in [TS]

  Windows yeah I mean a lot of people also complained about those green wobble that [TS]

  was like a deal breaker for some people the screen wobbles not a great deal [TS]

  breaker for me I mean like when you shake the top of the screen it certainly [TS]

  wobbles more than a laptop that has a very sturdy hinge but not a deal breaker [TS]

  I think the screen wobble [TS]

  screen wobble like that and like I don't know I don't know how I'd feel well I [TS]

  think if if a MacBook screen wobble like that but it didn't detach it would be a [TS]

  pure complained like the other ones don't wobble this one wobbles [TS]

  you know what the world's wrong with this hand whereas it wobbles but that's [TS]

  because you can detach it you know it's a tradeoff it's obviously not ideal but [TS]

  it is a trade off and I think it's fair to say that I i for example with the [TS]

  iPad pro when you connect Apple's Smart Keyboard [TS]

  I can use it on my lap I fact I have I've used it on my lap resting on my [TS]

  eyes and I found it works [TS]

  yeah it but it wobbles I mean I think I wobbles more than that [TS]

  surface book would amend my iPad pro video I showed it off but that's more at [TS]

  actually not that's more top heavy I think that's more because of the smart [TS]

  cover the smart Keyboard Case is weighs less than tablet yet you know when you [TS]

  put it on your leg and it's not even plain it doesn't have the balancing 222 [TS]

  but ya know I mean yeah [TS]

  like certainly there are compromises that you're making InDesign now for [TS]

  either either option right in like really know what to call these things [TS]

  but when you're trying to put a tablet with the keyboard you're sacrificing [TS]

  some of the best things about a laptop which is using it on your lap or using [TS]

  it you know I just think of scenarios when I actually use it on my lap which [TS]

  is either sitting in bed or on the couch and then when you're combining the [TS]

  tablet with the laptop whatever you want to call these things that are sort of [TS]

  laptops with tablets like the service book you're making compromises in some [TS]

  of the laptop designs screen hinge or battery or another example right now [TS]

  there's something else I can think of it yeah you know so there are are these [TS]

  form factor compromises were making on both sides and that's what like is so [TS]

  hard right now you know how I started the conversation it's so hard to tell [TS]

  to ask people are to recommend things when it comes down to a user's willing [TS]

  to compromise right I mean when I look at the differences between something [TS]

  like a surface pro 4 and the iPad pro there such different products there are [TS]

  so many different compromises you'd make on either side whether it's because of [TS]

  how the hardware was designed or because of how the software is so different and [TS]

  that you know like that's what is very confusing about what's happening in [TS]

  computing and like part of me wonders does all this have to be happening right [TS]

  now is this a partially on the Windows side to get people more interested again [TS]

  in buying PC use is it just that laptops were boring and people weren't buying [TS]

  them I don't know on the iPad side I wonder if this away just to get more [TS]

  people interested again in the iPad because they were want them to do more [TS]

  things and it just comes down to when you're choosing a computer now what is [TS]

  it that you want these things to do and what are you gonna live [TS]

  with what are the compromises with I have I find it and it's it's this is not [TS]

  a normal problem that most people have but because I have review unit of all [TS]

  these various products I have all three iPad sizes here and all set up for me [TS]

  ready to go and I have my MacBook Pro and I find it hard at any given moment [TS]

  to choose which first [TS]

  like if I'm going to go away for a week we did last week for Thanksgiving family [TS]

  went away for a week which iPad I don't wanna take and so I took the just to get [TS]

  a break as I've been using the iPad pro somewhat I thought let's go to the [TS]

  complete opposite end of the line up and I just took the iPad Mini with me and [TS]

  one of the reasons I did that was also because my phone is on Verizon iPad Mini [TS]

  is on AT&T and I find It really useful combination while traveling because you [TS]

  can go somewhere where maybe one or the other has terrible service but if the [TS]

  other one does you can just and I really like to I still like the iPad Mini a lot [TS]

  it's just good at very different things that are what iPhone do you have iphone [TS]

  26 not success but not not the right I can't stand behind but I just said this [TS]

  march from buyers guide and it's like on paper the plus it's so much better like [TS]

  it is the iPhone I should have but I don't like using it like it's just so [TS]

  big [TS]

  yeah technically it is clearly the best device that emits stabilization for [TS]

  video and the battery battery life in the photos and you think like those are [TS]

  the two most important things we wanted phones right now right [TS]

  like better cameras and better battery life when I just get the speakerphone [TS]

  and I just can I also when I reviewed it I just could in like gravitate towards [TS]

  the plus I just hope but with the seven or the next version that maybe they [TS]

  figure out a way to get [TS]

  the bigger screen into a smaller body and we won't have to make the sacrifices [TS]

  these things because the phone just feel smaller and I don't care even care about [TS]

  the beard getting a bit more screen on the smaller device I just want that I [TS]

  just don't want a device that any physically bigger than this and I would [TS]

  I just hope that they can figure out is to get the optical image stabilization [TS]

  in the smaller one and it would be wonderful if the battery life but I'm [TS]

  not holding my breath [TS]

  yeah but I totally see why some people do I know are you know our friend eli is [TS]

  a plus user and I was talking about it he has joined hands but he also told me [TS]

  that he most days literally does most of his work on his phone and if that's true [TS]

  for anybody you know like so many people [TS]

  yeah and if that's if that's true that you actually do my best and most of your [TS]

  email from your phone and stuff like that I can totally see why having the [TS]

  bigger keyboard you know for 2000 typing and the extra battery life is a killer [TS]

  feature I totally understand why some people love the plus I i just not for me [TS]

  yes i know i i mean and I always want to when I was doing the smartphone buyers [TS]

  it has like I'm gonna do it I put myself in their use it for a day I just just [TS]

  can't [TS]

  Sunday yeah well I had been using the review unit for ya [TS]

  and it was time it was time to send back everything our success [TS]

  that's a good point so one of the things that we go through as reviewers of these [TS]

  things is we have to set up these devices more often than most people can [TS]

  sit at least three times a year I have to set one up by to get outta to review [TS]

  unit 6 as in the success + and I buy my own one that I actually use [TS]

  I think that setup process for going to buy a new iPhone is terrible I just did [TS]

  you see my tweet earlier this week no I said I can't pull it up right now but [TS]

  maybe I said I got a new iPhone success I am NOT restoring from backup I'm just [TS]

  setting it up as a new phone [TS]

  hashtag yo is usually I do a restore and I'm not doing the restore anymore I [TS]

  wonder that my maybe that's the way to go [TS]

  it's just freaking like this phone its like of course it's brand new but it [TS]

  feels really still brand new it's not slow whipped like tons of apps in [TS]

  folders that I never use it [TS]

  yeah I mean that's the big thing right it doesn't carry over the apps [TS]

  everything else was backed up to the cloud right i mean it didn't and it also [TS]

  doesn't pull over your I'm at so I got into this conversation online [TS]

  the big thing that it the biggest sacrifice to make now is that your i [TS]

  watch your I want your Apple watch activity data does not make its way over [TS]

  which is terrible that doesn't mean that I was like I just wish there was an [TS]

  option to opt in to sync data to the cloud and bring it over to my new iphone [TS]

  yeah I and one of the things I've seen people complain about and this isn't my [TS]

  complaint is is i've seen people complain about and then somebody made [TS]

  like a diagram and posted it to Twitter whereas I can 2007 from Mike out of the [TS]

  box to using it you know the original iPhone he was like three things three [TS]

  little screens you went through and then boom you're at the home screen and now [TS]

  there's like twenty one steps that you go through but I don't know that's not [TS]

  the part that I find terrible cuz I actually I understand that when they say [TS]

  hey do you want to allow location I i understand why they do that and it takes [TS]

  its just a tad [TS]

  app so I don't mind that you say yes I want to allow location yes here's my [TS]

  aight iCloud username [TS]

  yeah that's not my problem but given that they're already making you go [TS]

  through the steps I don't find that to be a problem at my problem is with the [TS]

  fact that once you're past that it takes so long and it's indeterminate for all [TS]

  of your stuff to come over and you've got all these apps that are like dark [TS]

  and out because there it's like they're coming but they're not there yet but you [TS]

  don't see any progress when you restore it [TS]

  yeah when you sign in and yeah yeah if you don't select setup is new right I [TS]

  just don't see for the Apple watch health stuff I don't see why that isn't [TS]

  an option at that point to wear what you want to do with your Apple watch do you [TS]

  want to just keep it on the iPhone which is more private or would you allow us to [TS]

  store it in your iCloud account online with an option and I don't see it it [TS]

  certainly is private I mean I i dont want you know and and I i realized that [TS]

  there's there's some kind of bug in you know on Apple's server side stuff that [TS]

  someday somebody there might be some kind of breach that would let that stuff [TS]

  out and I wouldn't want that to happen but to me it's no more private than in [TS]

  fact I would for me personally I would consider it less private then my email [TS]

  which I have contact list on my contact list or am I i messages actually use [TS]

  iMessage more than I use my mac.com email so the contents of my messages are [TS]

  far more and I guess the whole I messaged him [TS]

  cloud right yeah I met with that email is why I if it was something I could opt [TS]

  into I would I trust Apple enough that I would trust your email with others [TS]

  right but I do know they they certainly host things they do host things that are [TS]

  private and I i dont see why my Applewhite standard data campy yeah I [TS]

  mean I just wish you even with the psych for the one-time sink something I don't [TS]

  know about that but yes that is the one annoying thing I did not get from the [TS]

  restore and also I message history you can get you can sync all your old [TS]

  messages yeah but other than that I'm really happy with my setup as new iPhone [TS]

  it's a tempting way too tempting way to clean up I'll be using to yeah and it [TS]

  really makes you think about what the best apps you use and like i re-did my [TS]

  home this is all use Google but Google's social networks basically right and yes [TS]

  as Starbucks it's a pain in the ass to set up the Starbucks know now how does [TS]

  set up a new device and have all the tabs yeah I find it easier I do it so [TS]

  for example with iPads I never almost never restore from the backup I just [TS]

  always start the iPad / iPad pro that I've been using since whenever they [TS]

  ceded the review it's a lot easier to do them with an iPhone could I don't feel [TS]

  like you're not giving things up like your message I guess you aren't you [TS]

  somebody's message history but I got your main device for exactly and and [TS]

  actually I did the same for that proud when I did the iPhone reviews I know you [TS]

  know for the iPhone reviews I didn't restore from backup and then when I [TS]

  started using it as like my phone for a little bit I did restore from backup [TS]

  because I didn't want to test the battery life and my test with just [TS]

  wanted to do it completely clean but yeah [TS]

  most of the time when I've got new phones I do my wife is done a restore [TS]

  and her like oh and that's why I think it's also ridiculous and some of those [TS]

  restore files they have crazy things in there that the files can be like I think [TS]

  her last one was like 60 or 70 gigs as she had done to restore of all you know [TS]

  you do the restore its all your photos that were stored on the phone videos [TS]

  everything you know even photos photos that were in your eye messages and [TS]

  sometimes those I had I had one point had one of her files on my computer and [TS]

  it was taking up a ton of space but that's really good they don't back up [TS]

  some of the stuff they don't back up like your iTunes stuff because they did [TS]

  you know that right they can see it from the server but that's part of the [TS]

  process that I hate is that it's indeterminate when that's going to [TS]

  finish there's nowhere to go where it shows you a progress bar that says [TS]

  here's all the stuff that we are restoring and here's what what stated is [TS]

  right I mean most people should be in the cloud [TS]

  the apps I mean the apps are also in the cloud you just have to manually go into [TS]

  iTunes and select which ones you want that's what I did I mean into the App [TS]

  Store [TS]

  I'm very happy with my decision to set up as a new iPhone and I encourage all [TS]

  listeners to do the same yeah it seems to be very upset about the iWatch [TS]

  keeps calling Tim Cook slipped and said i watch on one of the event this year [TS]

  forget which one that might have been the PC but at some point earlier this [TS]

  year Tim Cook's leptin almost got it [TS]

  the word all the way out of his mouth before he corrected himself makes you [TS]

  wonder like they were they gonna call it the I watched some point probably yeah [TS]

  obviously we do because that was like what it was rumored to be called for so [TS]

  long [TS]

  yeah I think what happened is that there was a I think well who knows since this [TS]

  is one of those things where he knows who the people are but clearly there's a [TS]

  contingent within the company that has one out that has decided that the whole [TS]

  I prefix is data and maybe they were opposed to it all along who knows that [TS]

  it was the Steve Jobs thing you know one thing you know that this is one of the [TS]

  things we missed without Steve Jobs there is that when steve was there you [TS]

  knew with certain things like that that he must have liked it like there's no [TS]

  possible way they would have used that I prefix for the iMac iPod iPad iPhone [TS]

  anything that had that I prefix you know that Steve liked it because it hadn't [TS]

  used it whereas who it is that made them decide to get away from that who knows [TS]

  is it sure is it Jony ive is it sure and Jony ive who knows but somebody [TS]

  obviously doesn't like it anymore but I think that there must have been some [TS]

  people who do like it and wear lightweight that's what we're known for [TS]

  people are already calling it the iWatch we haven't even told them we're doing it [TS]

  I think people like it it's a I don't like that I keep saying it but they call [TS]

  it a touch there is no I teach me tonight I see I never felt like that [TS]

  sounds wrong I always thought it sounded wrong I even write it I say it all the [TS]

  time and it's gotten better over the years but i pad so close to iPod where [TS]

  I've had podcast where i've i've been talking about the iPad and iPod like 10 [TS]

  times and showed me as I [TS]

  you know you keep saying iPod and I do its just is filed under the same cells [TS]

  in my brain and they're like my brain says it's a thing from the iPod perot [TS]

  exactly this actually reminds me so yesterday there's some internal email [TS]

  chain on our team and I know we got an email from beyond the arc company and [TS]

  they were basically like trying to take your music and make it into a VAR [TS]

  visualization and so it's are talking about like all remember those [TS]

  visualisations and iTunes you know the music visualization so turns out those [TS]

  are still there because everything is still in iTunes and so on our team went [TS]

  into iTunes and found the the UI through whatever the icons are . our RSS Datar [TS]

  src files and points separate oh and you can see in there all the old like you [TS]

  know it has support still for all of the old iPods it's amazing to look at how [TS]

  far do this it has like you know all the way back to the original it's got the [TS]

  original Apple TV in here [TS]

  shuffles iPod Video the U-two iPod great but you to iPod iPod [TS]

  yeah yeah [TS]

  tons i mean i get my guess is it's because these are all still supported in [TS]

  iTunes the first Apple TVs that's really crazy that's almost Microsoft Ian [TS]

  interview backwards compatibility ok [TS]

  yeah there and then they have like the little icons are looking for we were [TS]

  wondering if the little burn icon for burn to CD was still air not there when [TS]

  the last time they sold a machine that could burn a CD couple years you still [TS]

  can burn it down in iTunes right if you have an external right before we go too [TS]

  far into the weeds on iTunes [TS]

  me take another break here and thank our next month and it's our good friend mail [TS]

  route mail route are as a company that they do one thing and they do it well [TS]

  they filter John from email they're just these or email nerds who do nothing but [TS]

  this is great they don't post your email what they do is they provided the sound [TS]

  weird I know this sounds where they provide a service if you have your own [TS]

  domain host your email you just change your DNS settings to point at mail route [TS]

  first and your email goes through its a very thin screen think of it as I guess [TS]

  if the screen and they take all the spam and junk out and then forward all the [TS]

  goodies anything left after that goes to your existing mail server so you already [TS]

  have a mail server and your domain you don't change your email server or domain [TS]

  name you have to set up new accounts on a new thing over and over all you do is [TS]

  change your DNS 21st spam get taken out and then your email just shows up and [TS]

  the effect for you as a user of your email and for anybody else in your [TS]

  company or your team uses your email nothing changes then I have you don't [TS]

  have to go into your mail clients and change you know anything on the user [TS]

  side are you notice is that all of a sudden all the junk is gone and it's not [TS]

  your inbox anymore it is tremendous it is I've used it is really remarkable in [TS]

  terms of how accurate it is [TS]

  no spam filtering is perfect and they have really really great features super [TS]

  easy for you can get like an automated message on a daily basis for a weekly [TS]

  basis that tells you here's you know all the questionable stuff that we filtered [TS]

  out and you can just review that to look for any kind of false positives really [TS]

  easy to setup whitelisting if there's one particular message that got hit that [TS]

  you know you're gonna get more from you know maybe like PayPal messages or [TS]

  something like that that often get flight to spam you can just easily [TS]

  whitelist address couldn't be easier to setup want to change the DNS all of a [TS]

  sudden spam and junk just go away [TS]

  could not be easier they even have advanced features if you want them to [TS]

  have an API you can program stuff they support LDAP Active Directory TLS male [TS]

  bagging whatever that is [TS]

  outbound really anything you would want from the people handling your email [TS]

  great tech support everything is just great so here's what you do go to mail [TS]

  route dotnet / TTS the talk-show pts and when you go there you'll start with a [TS]

  free trial which is great when you see how great the freestylers once you start [TS]

  paying you'll get 10% off for the lifetime of your account now a one-time [TS]

  only 10% this is like for years to come ten years from now you're still using [TS]

  male road you'll have saved megabucks because you went to mail route that net [TS]

  / pts so go check them out if you host your own email what else is on your mind [TS]

  Joanna I was talking about using the iPad Mini [TS]

  if you if you could only take one iPad with you on a trip which one would it be [TS]

  what are you going away on a week for weeks away from home for a week [TS]

  well I'm weird because I don't read on an iPad [TS]

  I read books on an iPad so I have I have the Kindle paperwhite which I love so I [TS]

  would probably bring that perot and I would try to not bring my air I'm going [TS]

  on vacation where my god what's really on my mind I'm going on vacation in a [TS]

  week and a half and I can't we all right well then there you know so it's not [TS]

  even a hypothetical yeah I'm going to Cabo going to probably bring back I mean [TS]

  I just don't think I would [TS]

  Netflix and 44 like watching any downloaded movies we did that as well I [TS]

  prefer it over the air that I bought two years ago I think I should sell all of [TS]

  the stuff I have so much stuff I just keep it all and just heard it and you [TS]

  know I do I i mean i dont so I did sell my iPhone 6 I did it first story but I [TS]

  pretty much that I think I'm gonna be doing going forward I still haven't [TS]

  decided I should go to get into the program have you ever are you on that [TS]

  plan [TS]

  know why I actually still owned one of every iPhone ever made because everyone [TS]

  for myself and I've kept them in fact I have more than one of everyone because I [TS]

  have some of Amy's as well somebody's we've given away to like family members [TS]

  I don't think we've ever sold one but we've given them away to people her [TS]

  younger sister and stuff like that and she had one that she broke I'm thinking [TS]

  about doing this basically my own upgrade plan everyone else should be on [TS]

  the Joanna stern upgrade plan where basically by the phone outright ban [TS]

  hopefully sell it right before the ban [TS]

  use an old phone use that new money to buy the new phone that's basically what [TS]

  I sold my sex a 64 gig sex right before the event for five hundred and twenty [TS]

  something dollars on swap it was a great experience [TS]

  way more money than you get on one of those other sites I got completely [TS]

  scammed on eBay eBay you did get yeah totally scammed on eBay [TS]

  tell me about that yeah I like put it up for sale on eBay [TS]

  the guys course claiming to be from Nigeria [TS]

  well no he did he know he didn't tell me he was from Nigeria so he's a big guy [TS]

  who buys it says he lives in Boston and that he's buying the phone for $600 [TS]

  that's probably because it was like more than I had put it up for and so he then [TS]

  actually offer story I was basically just putting it out there to test out [TS]

  eBay for story and they say he says it's Austin okay he says i cant send the [TS]

  money through eBay something's wrong with it I need to send it through PayPal [TS]

  ok that's that's fine then he says oh i cant send it through their right right [TS]

  PayPal because eBay doesn't own PayPal anymore that has absolutely nothing to [TS]

  do with anything that is true it's true that doesn't have anything to do with [TS]

  anything like what it is and then ultimately sends me a fishing paypal [TS]

  email that says he sent me this $600 through Paypal and you know there was no [TS]

  real transaction that happen through paper out or through ebay but you didn't [TS]

  send him the phone no no I don't think in the end I don't think he was actually [TS]

  after the phone I think he was after some sort of information that I would [TS]

  have either click John when I clicked on that paper our fishing [TS]

  have either click John when I clicked on that paper our fishing [TS]

  yeah yeah and then I gave me a whole story like oh instead send the phone to [TS]

  Nigeria because my cousin is there and gave me a whole story about that but I [TS]

  was actually I know I can actually forward you the email for PayPal the [TS]

  really good actually ended up happening which is really I was very upset about [TS]

  from eBay was he had gotten my phone number [TS]

  yeah and that was that was where I you know the the scam stuff happens and you [TS]

  need to be on the lookout for weird PayPal spoofing email addresses yeah his [TS]

  name is Stanley Bates and in quotes daily Bates from from Boston and I i [TS]

  knew i obviously that something was really fishy when he wanted to send it [TS]

  through this weird PayPal looking thing you know it looks pretty real to be [TS]

  honest but the address says sale safety at USA dot com right anyway but it was [TS]

  when I was really annoyed about eBay has this loophole where after you finish a [TS]

  transaction with someone and bought something and that you're going to buy [TS]

  this item or whatever and have the account there is a way using your [TS]

  listing number that you can look up their phone number and their email [TS]

  address [TS]

  texted me yeah yeah happy that he and I sold my iPhone 6 and then I use that [TS]

  money to buy a new iPhone success this past week and so you who sell it to swap [TS]

  yes WAP in.com SWA EPA offer story it was right before the iPhone I wrote a [TS]

  piece about the best ways to sell your phone right but it obviously introducing [TS]

  a middleman definitely you know they're they're in business so you're selling to [TS]

  them for less than what they're going to resell it for [TS]

  and in theory if you could sell this is like the whole spirit of eBay in theory [TS]

  if you could just find the person who wanted to buy it you could sell it to [TS]

  them for a comparison between what it is it's a marketplace and open marketplace [TS]

  so you are selling to another person really yes exactly the middleman options [TS]

  like this are you you sell or any other ones next were I cracked they won't give [TS]

  you as good of a value as eBay or Amazon Marketplace or swap yeah I'm not [TS]

  familiar with that because I just heard all mine right like an idiot I had a [TS]

  great experience with swap actually was I had said on the listing that I would [TS]

  prefer with someone in New York City and found a guy and we met in a very public [TS]

  places in New York and he bought the phone their baby from Africa and it was [TS]

  so if you met in person was the transaction still digital though we're [TS]

  like he entered [TS]

  clear in my paypal account right yeah that sounds great [TS]

  yeah I mean you know it and the bike that's what this year I think back in [TS]

  like what were some of the big themes of the year in smartphones I just did this [TS]

  buying guide it was like all phones became great you know most of these [TS]

  Android phones are great now you know the iPhone became even better and the [TS]

  biggest deal was like how we buy our phones through carriers now ray carriers [TS]

  decided screw screw these contracts whether people really start upgrading [TS]

  their phones more frequently I'm not so sure it's still not the easiest thing [TS]

  you know to navigate those deals certainly Apple's program is is seems [TS]

  like the best of them all but yeah I mean how we buy ins and and pay the [TS]

  carriers was certainly a big change of [TS]

  I'm still with Verizon cause I still think I get the best service with them [TS]

  but I'm happy to say it won't be any contract with them so yeah I'm out of [TS]

  I've not been a contract with them for a while that was the decision I made this [TS]

  decision like Europe was a year ago two years ago I forget when but now I think [TS]

  it was a year ago but we stopped buying phones on contract even when are we had [TS]

  the option to do it and just pay the whole price and we will pay you have a [TS]

  family plan with verizon will display that and just keep it all on the up and [TS]

  up and up front right I'm still in the assignment of family planning he signed [TS]

  it about we find it when the six outs when the six came out so I'm just [TS]

  cracked yet but hopefully you know if you go to the new bucket data plans and [TS]

  better get you get good Verizon signal at the journal's office yeah pretty good [TS]

  signal for all in the office here when I'm on the sixth floor when I'm in New [TS]

  York I find that is a block-by-block crapshoot as to whether I have cell [TS]

  signal and disrupt my verizon phone that didn't used to be the case maybe it's [TS]

  just the places in Midtown where I tend to be I don't know but it's it's not [TS]

  necessarily bad like the way that eighteen tease used to be horrendous in [TS]

  New York I mean they truly unusable can't believe can't believe this [TS]

  anybody even get by with this service which I don't think is true anymore but [TS]

  it's not like that but it's definitely not like it is from here in Philadelphia [TS]

  Philadelphia get pretty strong signal almost everywhere [TS]

  yeah i mean the thing I've noticed about Verizon is maybe I don't have as many [TS]

  bars everywhere like as many bars at probably have with AT&T but I get like [TS]

  better service in pockets where there usually isn't service alike [TS]

  the elevator get service in my building with Verizon it always drops with AT&T [TS]

  and also on the subways here I my subway route to work I have rising service and [TS]

  not always AT&T see the different here in Philly in Philly I think AT&T like [TS]

  bribed somebody and has like exclusive cell service in the subway i really like [TS]

  that the subway I don't know how I never heard of such a thing but in [TS]

  Philadelphia sports complexes you know where you'd go see the Phillies are the [TS]

  eagles or those six arson fires they're all right next to each other and its way [TS]

  down and South Philly at the end of the line I can't go it you just ride the [TS]

  subway south and right at the last stop you get out and that subway station is [TS]

  named like AT&T station so yeah but I think that part of the deal with the [TS]

  Giants play in San Francisco what's the name of that stadium Levi stadium and no [TS]

  no no no not that that's the 49ers Giants play at AT&T Park yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  I wonder if they have like exclusives cell towers I don't know yeah I mean [TS]

  we're going to deal with the 5g competition for 5g next so when do you [TS]

  think that's coming right [TS]

  attention to stuff like that 2016 some of the tests are gonna happen I think [TS]

  Verizon's saying tests happening in in 2016 good [TS]

  you know these things happen in waves it's going to be another fun year of [TS]

  more stuff that is promised the next year let me take one break before we [TS]

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  backpage.com / the talk show you see that the soccer berg's announce that [TS]

  they're going to give away ninety-nine percent of their fortune I did I did I'm [TS]

  looking at is actually just looking in that article just because the baby [TS]

  picture was really just looking at the baby picture day they announced it cool [TS]

  coinciding with the birth of their first child it's a daughter's it is an [TS]

  adorable picture babies I know me too and I like the name to max for girl yeah [TS]

  yeah and so they've been out in a letter to their daughter that they will be [TS]

  giving away ninety-nine percent of their fortune which is the very noble I know [TS]

  the gates to gates's I think of have pledged to give away ninety-five percent [TS]

  of their fortune and I know that the Gates Foundation already has 41 billion [TS]

  dollars they've already given an enormous amount of money to fund their [TS]

  foundation for his lifetime yeah and I think when the start he's saying he's [TS]

  going to give up to or or donate up to a billion dollars in stock [TS]

  a year for the next three years and I guess part of that again to cycle back [TS]

  to front you know that some of the stuff is like SEC mandated that right we gonna [TS]

  say if you gonna talk about stuff like this with a publicly traded company [TS]

  you've got a you know announce it in advance but you know I think you know [TS]

  it's something that I again another little bit of a theme of the year so [TS]

  nostalgic for the year [TS]

  you know just like I think I just want the year to be over so I can go on [TS]

  vacation but like its a socially conscious move by dr. Berg obviously and [TS]

  I really important one but it's also like you feel like that's a little bit [TS]

  of a change it's been happening in Silicon Valley and especially you know [TS]

  at at Tim Cook's Apple more and more of the way he's here laughing I am because [TS]

  I have a point to make here but it's a change right I mean like and I feel like [TS]

  I also like coming out of you know Tim Cook's socially conscious Apple where [TS]

  you know when he spoke at our at a conference in October he spent a lot of [TS]

  time talking about how Apple's job to make the world a better place which is [TS]

  like obviously Apple's always thought about that as a fight through technology [TS]

  but also the sense like he wants to do that even just in his position of power [TS]

  as the as the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in the world if not [TS]

  powerful company in the world you know his message there was really impactful I [TS]

  thought I I find Tim Cook to be an incredibly sincere person and i actually [TS]

  think when you listen to him especially when you really don't just read the [TS]

  transcript but if you can actually see him talk on video like you said at a [TS]

  conference and he just hear him talk there is a sincerity in his voice when [TS]

  he talks about things like that and I know he said it many times that [TS]

  his office he's got portraits of Martin Luther King jr. and Bobby Kennedy and [TS]

  when he talked about that and he said it many times and if you just read it you [TS]

  might think that that's just the thing that he wants to say right but when you [TS]

  hear him talk about that he gets choked up and away and and when he talks about [TS]

  Apple's products he did he doesn't sound as sincere and I don't mean that he [TS]

  doesn't mean it but he actually is less fired up an emotional when he's talking [TS]

  about say you know how he traveled to Europe a couple weeks ago using with [TS]

  just as I Pad Pro and his iPhone as only devices and I think he did a really [TS]

  think he's the type of person where he really he wouldn't lie about that he [TS]

  wouldn't say that if it weren't true if he secretly had a MacBook Pro in his [TS]

  hotel room he wouldn't say it I really think that's true but you know there's [TS]

  not there's a certain rehearsed tone to his voice when he's talking about their [TS]

  products like that and and when he talks about the social stuff hehe you could [TS]

  see his blood started to boil and actually like I actually just pulled up [TS]

  our live blog from the conference and I didn't summarize a lot but I said you [TS]

  know who's he sounds it doesn't only sound like marketing speak when he is up [TS]

  there he truly wants to make a push for human rights in making the world a [TS]

  better place and I and i cant remember specifically the points he made you know [TS]

  but yes I totally agree with you the way I came I came out of that interview [TS]

  where he was grilled on everything from the car to the iPad to the Apple TV and [TS]

  how he's gonna you know put down the cable companies just thinking ok this [TS]

  guy wants to mostly though make the world a better place and use as a [TS]

  technology company to help do that so yeah I think just like you know it's [TS]

  it's cheesy but it does feel a little bit of a different vibe he's always had [TS]

  this reputation and would do it before he really became you know certainly you [TS]

  know when he became CEO obviously became that much much more public and he spoke [TS]

  on stage a few times before that [TS]

  he was you know a lot more of a mystery before he took over as CEO and they had [TS]

  a reputation as being a fearsome foursome negotiator the sort of person [TS]

  who in a meeting you know even if it's just within the company that you know [TS]

  you better be prepared when you show up for a meeting with him or he's gonna [TS]

  handle your hat you know you don't see that when he's on stage talking about [TS]

  Apple's products when he talked about the products he's very very genial there [TS]

  is this you know this very friendly courtly southern demeanor that comes out [TS]

  and it's funny because when he talks about these social issues which is a [TS]

  much more you know it's it's it by the daschle topic is humane I sense I say [TS]

  that when I can sense the fearsome person that he can be it's like his [TS]

  frustrations with these social issues around the world oil to the surface and [TS]

  he can't hide it doesn't come across as genial at all it comes across as well I [TS]

  can see why people are scared of this guy yeah yeah I mean I think it was a [TS]

  year ago it was it was actually year ago right after our conference that he had [TS]

  come out you know and that that letter you know which truly had absolutely [TS]

  nothing to do with the fact that he was the CEO of Apple I mean it's it had a [TS]

  lot about of course it had you know who he was but you know that that letter [TS]

  which was so well written and so heartfelt and that's you got a vision of [TS]

  who he was and you know after many people thought or as many people try to [TS]

  still explain who jobs was its guys just do it he's just he's he's put it all out [TS]

  there so yeah you say that there's this sort of a social but that there's a [TS]

  change since it did at the very top of silicon valley industry to be socially [TS]

  minded with an end up your money where your mouth is and actually do things [TS]

  like pledged [TS]

  ninety-nine percent of your fortune to to these causes I've made me laugh when [TS]

  I left a couple minutes ago I was thinking that the old way is the Larry [TS]

  Ellison away by an island why you like a James Bond [TS]

  this is all my house I have a sailboat [TS]

  I have pledged to america's cups right $500,000,000 you know racing yacht which [TS]

  I will be watching and you can look at it [TS]

  well this is my racing yacht which I which I observed from you know you can [TS]

  peek at my i three your small little phone screen but I get my many shots [TS]

  through my window above ten other yachts so the other thing that made me laugh [TS]

  though is when I saw that that does occur berg's replacing the giveaway [TS]

  ninety-nine percent of their fortune I thought a I thought I would I do that if [TS]

  I were in his position if I had somehow if if you know if daring fireball were [TS]

  worth as much as dr. Berg stake in facebook would I be willing to pledge to [TS]

  give 99 percent of it away I would like to think that I would I'm not sure that [TS]

  I would I feel like you nobody would nobody can really say what they would do [TS]

  unless they were actually in a position to do I don't know that I would but then [TS]

  my second thought turn to what I was young Max and my father had this fortune [TS]

  how I feel about about pledging to give it all away before I was even old enough [TS]

  to maybe make a counter argument why couldn't you waited until I was even [TS]

  just a teenager and I could maybe articulate an argument that maybe we [TS]

  should dial that number back of it ya in 15 years when Max is looking at this [TS]

  Facebook post through his holographic Dr oculus had said that doctor berg as [TS]

  also made another $90 off of will be like dad she does she's yeah I'd love [TS]

  the name acts or girl but it's hard it's a great name but I really do feel like [TS]

  if my if my parents had that sort of Fortune I really would have wished that [TS]

  they would have waited until I'm not saying don't do it I'm just saying maybe [TS]

  hear my side of it before we decide what percentage of the fortune to give away [TS]

  I'm sure she will have plenty plenty of money right I told me realize I totally [TS]

  realized that when you're talking about [TS]

  truly outsized fortunes like dr. Berg stake in Facebook and gates gates on [TS]

  that one percent is truly still a monumental fortune I'm just saying it [TS]

  may not be by Iran island in Hawaii you know from Larry Ellison forced and which [TS]

  I could really do kind of see the appeal of I mean they live in I think they live [TS]

  in power out to do is we don't we don't know what will happen to the property [TS]

  value they're right you might need now actually do now [TS]

  by the time max Unger Berg is is an adult she might need a billion or $2.02 [TS]

  housing they probably probably just a small little portion of the yard and [TS]

  power outa I don't know I don't know enough about what I do know enough about [TS]

  what's been going on in the San Francisco Valley but yeah it's certainly [TS]

  I know there's been a lot of scrutiny about that way he said it up it's an LLC [TS]

  vs being actually a charitable organization or I don't know I know [TS]

  there's been scrutiny today but I just kind of just thought it was great news [TS]

  yesterday [TS]

  yeah this actor bruce says you know how you know how industry works and I'm [TS]

  actually not on that side of the industry where I cover it really any of [TS]

  that frankly so I just read the articles and move on [TS]

  same here and then I make jokes about one last thing that is in the news is [TS]

  that before we sign off is that there's so much news about some speculation it [TS]

  seems like it's gonna happen that Yahoo is going to spin off and sell off a [TS]

  bunch of it and I can't help but think that's a good thing but it really makes [TS]

  me think just big picture what is Yahoo like I don't like it it's so easy to [TS]

  compare it with Google or aka alphabet which I still find difficult to wrap my [TS]

  head around and I realize that that's not one thing but I still kind of get [TS]

  the company get it [TS]

  alphabet I'm gonna call my Google the hell of it but I get what Google does I [TS]

  get the day have this amazing search engine which to me is still arguably it [TS]

  might be the greatest invention in the history of the industry is Google web [TS]

  search and I know that I give Google a lot of crap pondering fireball of the [TS]

  time people think I'm sort of you know because I'm I tend to like Apple stuff [TS]

  and I tend to be a little bit more cynical about Google stuff when I just [TS]

  look at the broad picture of everything that we have at our fingertips today [TS]

  like if you if you could go you know Ben Franklin time travel and came here today [TS]

  what was the what's the first thing you might like the dishes box where you can [TS]

  just type whatever you want into and maybe after taking to him first but I [TS]

  think he'd get that you can just computer first but once you got that [TS]

  right but it is it's truly you know from our childhoods it's truly still a piece [TS]

  of science fiction that we have that week you could just type natural [TS]

  language questions to get the answer [TS]

  it's truly amazing I get that they have this and that they make money from it [TS]

  with the ads that they show on it and billions of people around the world [TS]

  using it so therefore tend to get their shots in terms of you know that they're [TS]

  banking on things that might become huge like if they have a self-driving car [TS]

  platform that can be two cars what Android is two phones that's that's [TS]

  tremendous I get it I don't get ya like I don't get what I don't why do people [TS]

  go to Yahoo anyway I don't get it i don't think they do I mean I know they [TS]

  do but they do they're older and they know it or it's already preloaded on [TS]

  their computers that's why rate other reasons I don't know why I was there for [TS]

  many many years ago I mean that's why people still well like the side of the [TS]

  did you and I don't don't do your product person you write you know from [TS]

  the hey how do you know you wanna do what you wanna get I'm a product person [TS]

  I write about how to use this stuff [TS]

  services services and I can't remember the last time I've recommended Yahoo [TS]

  service but that's what I've looked at them I mean even I gave Flickr buried on [TS]

  Flickr still has some great things I gave it a really fair shake in the in [TS]

  the photo comparisons earlier this year when it was you know Google photos and [TS]

  Apple photos and it wasn't as good [TS]

  yeah I think about that anymore when they think they don't think about the [TS]

  services on their phone it's covered as a business story right it's the business [TS]

  reporters talking about this and Wall Street pressure on it [TS]

  and you know Kara Swisher has tremendous forces you know Yahoo and it's the [TS]

  intriguing speculation as to how much support does Marissa Meyer still have [TS]

  the board and that sort of thing but looking at it from my perspective is [TS]

  just what school and what is good to use of what I recommend to people who do [TS]

  know following me and look to me for advice or something like that or what [TS]

  would be interesting for me to write about because it's such a cool thing I I [TS]

  can't remember the last time anything who was involved with even hit my [TS]

  whatever parts of my brain light up when I see something cool yeah I guess the [TS]

  last time I mean [TS]

  Yahoo is not powering the weather anymore on the weather app and I know [TS]

  now I don't think so they switched yeah because they got I think I had better [TS]

  worldwide service or something [TS]

  yeah you would have been the only Yahoo service I probably use every day since [TS]

  whatever you say Yahoo fifteen years ago the iOS stocks up still is based on [TS]

  Yahoo data ok I mean so that when we really like just picked up my videos [TS]

  Yahoo I get a lot of video views so thank you for that I i just i dont get [TS]

  it I feel like I feel like and again maybe it's just my me being obsessed [TS]

  with my perspective on things but I I just feel like all of this business [TS]

  side speculation on what Yahoo should do whatever is got it all backwards and it [TS]

  really has to start with products and that's if there's anything I'm [TS]

  disappointed and Marissa Meyer for his I really kind of had hoped that from what [TS]

  I knew of her beforehand that she was you know product focused and I really [TS]

  thought that she would bring that to Yahoo but it just doesn't mean she did I [TS]

  think she really I mean if you think about when some of the big attention [TS]

  that she had gotten when she first started with a Flickr a big Flickr [TS]

  redesigned she was she was she spoke i remember i interviewed her after they [TS]

  knew Flickr redesign and she introduced it and I was like a couple months after [TS]

  she took over and then there was a new email thing she was involved in that I [TS]

  remember that and then I don't remember anything else [TS]

  yeah alright least you tried to at first but it's like as the years have gone on [TS]

  it just doesn't seem like that happen story actually this is funny I'm gonna [TS]

  share I got it he made those of his podcast Mike I feel what's amazing about [TS]

  your podcast feels like just talking to you and you really don't think about [TS]

  that hundreds of thousands and thousands of viewers and listeners I think I [TS]

  haven't looked at it I probably should I think it's seventy to eighty thousand [TS]

  but like I said wait says the woman who write for a newspaper with a circulation [TS]

  of what I mean the journal's gotta say the Journal last I checked has a daily [TS]

  circulation at three this is feels like you know here they cut all my words the [TS]

  email I had someone who used to work for me and they were applying for a job at [TS]

  Yahoo and they sent you know they want me to give some feedback and you know [TS]

  reference stuff and in the email it said Marissa Mayer's going to be looking over [TS]

  this and I thought to myself that is really sad [TS]

  like why is Marissa Mayer looking over a tech reporting position here and I don't [TS]

  have anything I mean I had a lot of nice things to say about this person who used [TS]

  to work with me but I just wrote something like really sarcastic back to [TS]

  the recruiter to wander and wonder if we ever did read my review of that they [TS]

  were going to hire I don't know I don't know if I should have that's fine but I [TS]

  did she do deborah has a reputation as a micro manager right you know that such [TS]

  an overused term but as somebody who would do something like that and get [TS]

  involved in the morning to approve I have heard that story before I have [TS]

  heard that Yahoo that she wanted approval over I don't know almost [TS]

  everybody who got hired anywhere that at some point and it became like a gating [TS]

  factor because obviously you know she's busy and you want to hire somebody for [TS]

  certain team and all of a sudden it's almost like what developers go through [TS]

  with like the App Store where like your appt you just want to fix a bug you just [TS]

  want to hire somebody to do this and in the meantime you take a seven day wait [TS]

  before it percolates to the top of her boxes she can look at it [TS]

  yeah I mean I I know there was a big she had a big focus on the new Yahoo News [TS]

  product launch that she was very involved in and that's actually a huge [TS]

  part of their operation and actually this is really how I think of them when [TS]

  I think about it cause I know a number of people in the media industry of gun [TS]

  to work for them a lot of anchors a lot of on on on air talent from TV networks [TS]

  have gone to work [TS]

  David Pogue David Pogue of course and they built a good team over there [TS]

  yeah I guess I don't think but that's enough [TS]

  yeah it's not enough to make them as big as they are right to be as in in the in [TS]

  the ring with Google and Apple and Facebook right and yeah I totally agree [TS]

  but somehow it feels to me like like there's a potential there that they [TS]

  could be but I don't think about when I think about what's been going on with [TS]

  the big players in intact and products Apple Google Microsoft and it really [TS]

  consider Facebook Facebook's in there are obviously many other companies but [TS]

  do anything about the year a lot of it was there wasn't necessarily anything [TS]

  majorly knew you know everyone's trying to compete to do a lot of the same [TS]

  things you can do it better [TS]

  who can also do it more securely a more private give us more privacy that was a [TS]

  big source of the competition this year certainly Apple wanted to play to that [TS]

  but you know when you think about where their real innovation or developments [TS]

  happen this year wasn't it wasn't that kind of year and whether what is what is [TS]

  going to be that sort of future for some of these companies are going to be an [TS]

  interesting one [TS]

  yeah this is the year of watches becoming like the real thing everybody [TS]

  is that even then was it a huge thing I don't think so but yeah it's you know [TS]

  but it's obviously that they go real thing that they're racing to do in the [TS]

  next I think we are definitely the next big thing because I think the technology [TS]

  is very close and hers unlike cars there are regulatory and legal hurdles to be [TS]

  passed the cars thing everybody is working on but it's so complicated and [TS]

  requires laws to be rewritten [TS]

  and you know just so much so much stuff that's gonna have to happen in public [TS]

  that its years out of ER things probably probably like a next year thing very [TS]

  yeah I mean like it was such a year of refinement and it's not a bad day like I [TS]

  don't I don't want to whine about it like nothing happened this you know it [TS]

  was such a great year for products becoming that were already good becoming [TS]

  great look at the iPhone like it was already such a near-perfect phone I [TS]

  think it could still be a little bit more perfect as I read my review but you [TS]

  know this is the device in our smartphones are the things that power so [TS]

  many of the other parts of our lives now they're just great [TS]

  yeah that's what's happening with computing to write like we want our [TS]

  computers and laptops or tablets to be even better and more like some of the [TS]

  mobile devices with iPad and we want to mobile devices like PCs right so it's [TS]

  just like the year of more refinement I think I don't think that that now and I [TS]

  think that the fact that it's sort of like a refinement and and it's created [TS]

  this the thing that we talked about earlier which is that it made it harder [TS]

  decide what to buy [TS]

  yeah because now that you can buy something like the iPad Pro which really [TS]

  can be more of a laptop but now that you can buy a laptop like the regular [TS]

  MacBook that says then in light is an iPad or something like the surface [TS]

  devices it just blurs the line and the fact that you know different things are [TS]

  way better on a giant size iPad pro but other things are still better on an iPad [TS]

  Mini but it really doesn't make sense to tell somebody will you should buy three [TS]

  iPads [TS]

  John Gruber life by three iPads right live with three iPads and a small one in [TS]

  every pocket and one in every compartment of your of your backpack I [TS]

  get my last question to you what are you ok [TS]

  asked about the iPhone then cuz I think most excited about and in 2016 for the [TS]

  iPhone what am I excited about where what I'm hoping for yeah I think what [TS]

  are you hoping for for the iPhone I was saying in general for the next year but [TS]

  I i specifically when asked about the iPhone you know it's interesting I know [TS]

  that there's rumors that are already out I did one last week about the headphone [TS]

  jack which sits you know it's weird if it comes true and it'll be a minor [TS]

  headache but in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal I find it [TS]

  interesting that there doesn't seem to be any specific rumors about what's [TS]

  coming in I guess my biggest hope as is that it's truly revolutionary upgrade on [TS]

  the camera that it really takes a step towards being able to stand toe-to-toe [TS]

  with like an SLR type camera not just point and shoots like I feel like [TS]

  point-and-shoots have been taken out and now it's you know what what can take [TS]

  like the you know what can take it can we give us an iPhone that stands up to [TS]

  like $1000 to handle on camera in terms of image quality and depth of field and [TS]

  stuff like that [TS]

  and so something like that and I heard a while back that you know and and I know [TS]

  Apple bought this some company or there's a patent that out there [TS]

  something but these ideas of use and other people are doing so despite having [TS]

  like to camera lenses and side-by-side and it can do like some kind of magic [TS]

  when you take a picture by combining two images and adapts the way that a device [TS]

  as then as an iPhone might be able to stand up to truly big camera with a [TS]

  bigger piece of really big piece of glasses the land and a significant [TS]

  distance yeah so that would be my biggest hope is that it's all about the [TS]

  camera but I i say that just purely from my own selfish what I hope they do this [TS]

  has nothing to do with anything that I have heard is coming right what about [TS]

  you what would you hope for I mean I wrote this in my review of the six as [TS]

  you know the thing that bothers me the most about my phone is battery life and [TS]

  having to worry about it I i would i would be really happy if if they started [TS]

  to discuss their work in wireless charging but I just don't feel like the [TS]

  solutions out there right now are very Apple that the biggest thing that people [TS]

  keep talking about with this room and that ties into the removal of the [TS]

  headphone jack the biggest thing people are complaining about that is that they [TS]

  frequently want to listen to audio while they charge their phone like you're [TS]

  sitting on the train or on an airplane or something like that and you have [TS]

  viewed your phone is you know about 40% what you can charge it but you're [TS]

  sitting there on the train or wherever you are my son does this all the time [TS]

  Jonas as all is all of these devices are under twenty percent at all times so [TS]

  he's always watching YouTube while with his headphones on [TS]

  while he's charging his device if they went to wireless charging it would that [TS]

  would solve it if there was like an apple watch type thing that could charge [TS]

  you know connected to the Apple logo or something on the back of your phone [TS]

  that solves the problem where you have that lightening jack for headphones and [TS]

  you can wirelessly charge yeah I mean the big problem with the wireless and [TS]

  I've tested a lot of these I did this big piece on Chargers last week was [TS]

  actually drilling in a way I tested like all these USB wall chargers [TS]

  but it was that that all these wireless solutions are just really slow like it [TS]

  takes a long time to go from 0 to 50 percent with many of these right to [TS]

  watch gets away with it because the watch has just a teeny tiny battery [TS]

  exactly yeah it'll be interesting I could see that I would like to you know [TS]

  there's a second thing that I would like to see it would be a region goering of [TS]

  their priorities on how much battery life the phone should get i mean it's [TS]

  very clear that what they've done because the battery life doesn't get [TS]

  worse but it stays the same unless you switch still plus so they just keep [TS]

  making it thinner and using the efficiencies of their new technology to [TS]

  keep the you know they keep making the device dinner and keeping the battery [TS]

  life the same I would love it if they like effectively decided to like [TS]

  multiply the battery life [TS]

  expect by like one and a half and obviously this year they did a lot of it [TS]

  through iOS nine and and software improvements and actually you know [TS]

  watching us to I i've noticed the battery life being better on this thing [TS]

  but it seems like that's only gonna get them so far [TS]

  yeah i i think i would like to see them you know like with the iPod iPad and [TS]

  iPod there they've long said 10 hours of battery life you get 10 hours of battery [TS]

  life from an iPad [TS]

  I would love for them to just sort of really W no double or like 1.5 the [TS]

  number that they tell you can get from an iPhone and then engineered from there [TS]

  whether that means keeping the device as then it is then as it is now we're using [TS]

  new technology or something like that but I I don't think that'll happen I [TS]

  would bet against that I think Apple is very much interested in chasing down SLR [TS]

  quality photography so I feel like whether they'll do it next year not at [TS]

  least my hopes are in alignment with Apple's institutional priorities my hope [TS]

  for battery life though does not seem to be in alignment with their institutional [TS]

  priorities their institutional priorities I think are still hyper [TS]

  focused on then yeah yeah I agree with you there [TS]

  well we shall see alright I'm gonna take a shower first that's great I can't wait [TS]

  I'm not going well congratulations and enjoy your vacation Joanna stern thank [TS]

  you so much vacation to CES I've never been we've talked about this and i still [TS]

  can I love Vegas I love gadgets and I've never been to CSIS long story short I [TS]

  hate opposite I hate Vegas but I love gadgets right [TS]

  long story short it's a really it's because it used to be immediately after [TS]

  Macworld Expo and I did go to macro Expo and there was no no way that I was gonna [TS]

  do to those things back to back and so I just never ever developed any kind of [TS]

  tradition of going to CES and it anytime it never occurred to me to maybe maybe I [TS]

  should maybe just one year I should go and you know right about and podcast [TS]

  like [TS]

  what it's like for an apple focused person to go to this you know more or [TS]

  less this consumer electronics show that is everything that's not Apple in the [TS]

  industry [TS]

  here's what's coming in at 12 more and more [TS]

  yeah well I mean you keep doing what you do best which is comment on the non [TS]

  Apple stuff but always pretty much it has been the last couple of years [TS]

  there's always some strong Apple rumor that seems to come out around but yes it [TS]

  is [TS]

  last year last year at CES there is this big rumor about what the MacBook was [TS]

  gonna [TS]

  the MacBook Air will ultimately end up being the MacBook with the air successor [TS]

  look like that they always somehow try to take the air out of whatever else is [TS]

  going on with it wouldn't be so you know I would expect here's my guess is that [TS]

  this year's CES is going to be destroyed gonna be all about virtual reality I [TS]

  know that's my guess and would you know would it be shocking if a rumor leaks [TS]

  right before CES that Apple is as a team working on var they said nothing else [TS]

  except that that would not surprise me one bit if a rumor like that was floated [TS]

  you know you know you know one of the reporters at the wall street journal [TS]

  probably you know or something like that wouldn't surprise me one bit but I [TS]

  always when it occurs to me that maybe I should go to CES it's always too late [TS]

  like right now i think is too late like everything's all the hotels are booked [TS]

  up and you know it's like the sort of thing you have to have to plan in [TS]

  advance and yeah well I would say you don't really need to come I would love [TS]

  to podcast with you from their little video thing it's it's pretty much I love [TS]

  CES because it is this time of the year where everyone gets really excited about [TS]

  gadgets and [TS]

  my favorite thing was like Neil I last year [TS]

  wrote this piece are they wrote a piece of ambergris gadgets are back and [TS]

  they're getting really people excited for CES and was like that's what I do [TS]

  all year ago you good thing I have a job again this year like people really [TS]

  excited about what's gonna come and then actually that at all [TS]

  tapers down and when you actually review the products that came out it's a yes or [TS]

  no one really cares but there is always the excitement around so yes people can [TS]

  read your work [TS]

  the wall street journal at the wsj.com to get to the section that you guys do [TS]

  with wsj.com takes away trade to The Wall Street Journal digital and on [TS]

  Twitter you are at Joanna stern I am thank you so much is going to be here we [TS]

  finally made it work and we didn't know we didn't talk about our favorite thing [TS]

  my favorite thing the blackberry but I will come back to talk about the next [TS]

  time did it does to be in business next time [TS]

  yes they have the new Android phone and I gave it pretty decent review I we will [TS]

  hold them back they can just be another Android phone maker maybe I think I [TS]

  think that's chip itself I think that they if they had done that I think what [TS]

  would you rate your view I think that if they had ship that phone for years ago [TS]

  definitely that is whenever you but I always holding on OK third stand up [TS]

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