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137: ‘Peak Rumor Season’, With Special Guest John Moltz

 

  we've got rumors to talk about I love rumors and then this is you know what I [TS]

  was thinking man this is sort of like I think this is the the the fall season [TS]

  here that you know november december this is like peak summer season because [TS]

  nothing's coming out soon but there are you know Apple must be working on stuff [TS]

  for next year and beyond and so now is the time when the rumors start coming [TS]

  out the big one i've seen that one it's got everybody in a tizzy is you know [TS]

  which one it is right [TS]

  yes which one is it it's the headphone jack exactly right [TS]

  very add the remaining is roomy Jack rate yes so the standard 3.5 millimeter [TS]

  had contacted been in every device that I'm aware of for a long time is [TS]

  supposedly says one report who had originally aired let's see what the [TS]

  Japanese rumors overrated some chatter of well-known to rumors I but published [TS]

  so MacRumors right it's Mac or Dakara which MacRumors described as often [TS]

  reliable often well in this scheme of like publishing these things from the [TS]

  supply chain in a jet often reliable if you say it with a straight face is [TS]

  actually a high praise [TS]

  I praise but it was it was not sourced from DigiTimes rate know it's there [TS]

  their road they didn't get it from digital know their report cited a quote [TS]

  reliable source and I guess so it says here's here's MacRumors translation of [TS]

  it or or interpretation I guess I should say the report citing a quote reliable [TS]

  source end quote [TS]

  claims the new same sized lightning connector will support Leighton equipped [TS]

  and Bluetooth headphones and have a DAC or a digital to Audio Converter for [TS]

  backwards compatibility with wired headphones using a standard 3.5 metres [TS]

  stereo jack a 3.5 millimeter to lightning adapter would be required so [TS]

  they I guess the gist of it the way I interpret this and I don't think it's [TS]

  entirely clear the way I just interpreted is that they're not [TS]

  replacing the headphone jack with a new proprietary Jack they are simply getting [TS]

  rid of the headphone jack and you'll just have to plug in to the lightning [TS]

  adapter that's already there or use blues or use but I don't see why this [TS]

  report says that the new lightning connector has anything to do with [TS]

  Bluetooth doesn't seem like no idea and I think that's a mistake that's what I [TS]

  mean about it being a little confusing I think what they mean is that you you [TS]

  know your options will be to either plug in headphones with a lightning connector [TS]

  a be used a new dog old that doesn't exist yet you're sticking in lightning [TS]

  port and then you'll stick regular headphones into this dongle or see [TS]

  you'll switch to bluetooth headphones or D throw your phone in the river and go [TS]

  back to blackberry I guess the other option would be to this will be a great [TS]

  time for blackberry to come out and proclaimed their support for the 3.5 [TS]

  millimeter this is another option and I love it I really do I deeply enjoy it [TS]

  when other people small children do this on let's say a train or something is you [TS]

  could just use the speakers [TS]

  when the device that's perfect [TS]

  pumped up to a loud enough volume 22 over you overtake the center of the jet [TS]

  airliner that you're right and who need headphones so but the whole of the whole [TS]

  thing so this this is portrayed as which you know the first of all this is not [TS]

  the first time we've heard this rumor well and I think this this Louis bloated [TS]

  also break before the the six remember correctly I think it started it started [TS]

  though it when lightning debut because lightning has always supported audio [TS]

  late you can go and you can buy they exist today in fact that Phillips [TS]

  there's a peres Phillips ones here in this screenshot MacRumors has you can by [TS]

  lightning connector had fun today [TS]

  existing lightning port can support obviously you can do that right now [TS]

  today that's not like anything I think that what they're saying so in terms of [TS]

  what they're saying about this so-called iPhone seven having a new bike next [TS]

  generation lightening jack [TS]

  you know the female side would be the that includes a digital audio converter [TS]

  I don't know though why the dongle wouldn't do the digital audio conversion [TS]

  but anyway that's what they're saying so I think right now so this is where I [TS]

  could be wrong I could be definitely wrong about this this could be something [TS]

  that maybe the dongle would work on our existing iPhones but I think what [TS]

  they're saying is that to use standard headphones through the dongle and [TS]

  lightning would require this iPhone seven lightning port because it would [TS]

  include the digital audio converter inside but otherwise I don't think [TS]

  anything any of this is new you know it the fact that lightning can handle audio [TS]

  isn't definitely not know you can buy these headphones today and using on your [TS]

  phone today and that the rumors started as soon as that became clear that why [TS]

  else would they do it unless they planting a tree with the 3.5 at some [TS]

  point [TS]

  it was also there is also a smaller Jack than 3.5 million her check that used to [TS]

  be used in japan for years because I remember I thought when I was in Japan I [TS]

  accidentally bought a pair of headphones to go home and went to put them on my my [TS]

  Walkman or whatever it was great but when I think the reason the reason it [TS]

  was exactly that was that was smaller so smaller devices so many jokes but I [TS]

  can't I can't I can't I can't I can't think of any folks stem from the now [TS]

  there's nothing nothing to be said anyway people are some people are very [TS]

  very upset about this they are and and however much controversy there was when [TS]

  Apple switch from 32 30 pin dock connector to the lightning adapter and [TS]

  people accused Apple of you know doing this just to get people to buy more more [TS]

  everyday out that it was a money grab this is the accusation that it was a [TS]

  money grab I think you and I have talked about this multiple times that it was a [TS]

  money grab and they wanted to sell new cables they want you to buy new docs [TS]

  they wanted you to buy their little I think it was $19 the little just the [TS]

  little adapter that lets you switch 30 pin thing into a lightning I think it [TS]

  was nineteen wasn't that much of what that was at the head from price know yet [TS]

  that was maybe it was twenty headphones are something like thirty yeah and I i [TS]

  laugh about this I laughter people are upset and I but I understand the [TS]

  frustration you know I just laugh at how how hard people take this well yeah so [TS]

  the the thing that it's portrayed as tradeoff for his is getting a thinner [TS]

  iPhone right yeah that's the only so it and everyone says I don't want to arrive [TS]

  which I mean I don't need a thinner iPhone but in fairness you haven't seen [TS]

  you might you might really like him well and as home and here it is I looked it [TS]

  up on the stored on apple.com the lightning to 30 pin adapter cable just [TS]

  the little adapter right now it sells for $29 [TS]

  $29 yeah and the lightning to 30 pin adapter that's more of a cable is thirty [TS]

  $39 it's got a point to meter cable so it's it's a rather twenty centimeter [TS]

  cable and that's that [TS]

  $39 I do get the reservation it does seem to me it seems very clear to me and [TS]

  it just seems funny that always comes up when you're on the show that there's a [TS]

  sort of aspect of you know let's spend Tim Cook's money that these things [TS]

  should be cheaper and that whatever money they make from them they would [TS]

  gain and good well by making them if not giving them away [TS]

  you know coming as close to giving them away as they can't that if they sold [TS]

  them at cost and presumably it costs a lot less than $29 to make this dongle [TS]

  would they would make up for it and goodwill [TS]

  they're not interested in that [TS]

  well I think maybe he would make them the pill easier to swallow you know I [TS]

  don't know that people would be completely if you're if you're heavily [TS]

  invested in in that jack and i think you know me I think some people are I'm not [TS]

  I wouldn't say that I am particularly I do have many headphones that i wear with [TS]

  that jack but I mostly use them for podcasting and so I put him into a [TS]

  microphone and uni mostly and I'm you know I'm not an audio file so I mostly [TS]

  use Apple's headphones and when I'm using my iPhone and I and then I also [TS]

  have a pair of Bluetooth headphones that I use for exercising so it wouldn't [TS]

  really changed my life that much it's a it's just I just find it a fun thing to [TS]

  talk about on the show because it is it's such a petty little thing in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things if you really think about it right it's just not that [TS]

  big a deal in the life of a iPhone user but there's so many like implications of [TS]

  a change like this that makes it fun to think about the tradeoffs on Apple's [TS]

  part so let's tackle some of these applications of the audio jack so one of [TS]

  them like you said that the idea would be that would be motivated to do this [TS]

  because it would allow them to make the device dinner that at this point 3.5 [TS]

  millimeters just for the court alone is significant you know it's it's it's a [TS]

  constrained given them [TS]

  millimeter thickness of these devices obviously there's existent proof that [TS]

  they can make dinner devices that still have that port like the the iPod Touch [TS]

  the current generation iPod Touch is like a fool millimeter thinner than the [TS]

  iPhone success as a really yeah ok actually both here but their cases [TS]

  almost like it's like the iPhone 6 assets like 6.9 [TS]

  touches like 6.1 and still has a standard audio port and the the iPod [TS]

  Nano is even thinner still and still has the regular audio port but as some [TS]

  people on Twitter of pointed out like if you look at the iPod Nano [TS]

  the fall link that takes the depth that the headphone jack has to go into the [TS]

  court said it doesn't actually go underneath the screen at all there's a [TS]

  good chance you know so it's not it's not like it also has to fit underneath [TS]

  the screen where I think it does on the iPhone so then this is definitely it's [TS]

  certainly one of the angles I don't think it means that they couldn't make [TS]

  an iPhone seven and keep the jack it's just probably makes it easier it's one [TS]

  less thing to put in and I think I think that the depth of the the jack is [TS]

  actually more of a problem than the thickness of the fact that the standard [TS]

  audio port has to go so far in this show could be torn apart a political attack [TS]

  ad against there's not a lot like what what do you think would happen if they [TS]

  said we're taking out there taking out the jacket because we want to put more [TS]

  battery [TS]

  that would be hosting thing for them to say so we take out yeah we take out the [TS]

  audio jack and you'll get another hour and a half of battery be interesting way [TS]

  to justify instead of saying it's going to be even thinner right because saying [TS]

  that it's even thinner really only seems to satisfy Apple's internal obsession [TS]

  with device then this and and it could well be that it's more than just the the [TS]

  taste of johnnie I've and his team and whoever else is there that they want [TS]

  these devices that they value thinness over the battery life that could be [TS]

  gained by just making the device thicker or keeping it then this of the instead [TS]

  of making it a stint as they possibly can to get the same battery life as the [TS]

  previous generation what if they kept the same thickness as the device [TS]

  thicknesses the previous generation but use their newfound ability to [TS]

  miniaturize and then things to just create more room for a better rate [TS]

  that's that's the that the thing that some people a lot of people seem to want [TS]

  to do [TS]

  could well be that Apple has internal marketing like data like you know that [TS]

  suggests if not proves that given the choice in a store people will choose the [TS]

  thinner device and that there may be as much as many of us think that people [TS]

  would be happier with the thicker device that gets longer battery life album [TS]

  might have some knowledge to know that at the point of sale people are going to [TS]

  buy the center line and I would expose them to hell yeah I wouldn't be [TS]

  surprised by that really because I don't think it's not like this for me anymore [TS]

  about it that used to be the one thing when I looked it years ago when I looked [TS]

  at Android phones I thought wow it was really cool to have a phone numbers that [TS]

  Samsung has one you know it's one of the galaxies it's not the flagship is the [TS]

  flagship one has higher specs and can't be that then but there's one of the [TS]

  current galaxy phones somebody I saw somebody claim is only five point nine [TS]

  millimeters [TS]

  so Samsung's you know in a race first in this too and it don't forget that these [TS]

  are the sort of decisions that when Apple makes now for next year if they [TS]

  stick to the current plan of using the same hardware for two years [TS]

  you know basic hardware profile for two years with a seven next year and then [TS]

  the 7s the year after that that if they make a mistake here and go thicker and [TS]

  Samsung goes way thinner and it proves to be ahead they could be the same sort [TS]

  of thing that happened with larger screen sizes few years ago where larger [TS]

  screen sizes clearly were selling phones and you know there is even we have is [TS]

  one of those rare things that we have proof of because it came out in the [TS]

  court case one of the court cases with Samsung weather is like an email I think [TS]

  might have even been from Schiller himself but it was certainly from some [TS]

  of the insurers team there was an internal email at Apple that said people [TS]

  some people want what we don't have a larger screen front and they can't just [TS]

  scramble and come out with a new phone next month with a bigger screen these [TS]

  things are you know have to your lead times maybe even longer so if Apple's [TS]

  you know thanks [TS]

  or maybe even knows that then the cells and that they certainly know that [TS]

  Samsung is capable of making devices that are then if not other companies too [TS]

  they may not wanna you know they may not wanna do this even if they also know [TS]

  that customer satisfaction wise after they've already purchased the phone if [TS]

  it had the longer battery life of a thicker thing people would be a peer [TS]

  yeah it's just strange though to see lots of people saying that they don't [TS]

  want something that obviously this is presented as you gonna get rid of this [TS]

  in order to get that if they came out just said it was gonna be a thinner [TS]

  phone you probably go slightly different reaction without the jack but it seems [TS]

  like they used to be like here are the things that they might be coming in the [TS]

  next iPhone and everyone would be pretty excited about those things [TS]

  with the exception of lighting and i feel like i feel like i don't i don't [TS]

  necessarily know I don't feel like I'm that excited about dinner phone at this [TS]

  point and I you know we've had this discussion before too I would rather [TS]

  have a smaller font yeah it may not just be about genocide less so I think I say [TS]

  it could be it could help and maybe that would help with battery life too but [TS]

  there are other factors to like even if you could just keep this just concede [TS]

  for the moment that they could go as thin as they want to and still keep the [TS]

  other jack that whatever they're they're planning for for the iPhone seven it [TS]

  could accommodate 3.5 millimeter headphone jack [TS]

  I don't know if that's true but let's just conceded for the moment it's also [TS]

  another point of you know potential water damage [TS]

  you know one less port is one lens one less thing to have to try to protect [TS]

  against you know water getting in there having two ports definitely takes more [TS]

  space inside the device then one part that does both things I mean that's just [TS]

  mean that just like an obvious fact so in other ways other than tennis in my [TS]

  you know like you said batteries one life who knows what else they could use [TS]

  that password but they could certainly you know they certainly take advantage [TS]

  of every bit of space that they can't yeah [TS]

  I don't know what the problem is like she's charging I mean everybody's right [TS]

  but weird and I do this i do this sometimes report that charging desk and [TS]

  listening to something and having to find a dongle yeah that nobody really [TS]

  wants a dog like a wide after dongle might be a good idea would be an even [TS]

  even if you're on board late on the one hand if you wanna stick with your [TS]

  beloved old pair of headphones that has a 3.5 millimeter jack then you need a [TS]

  dongle you know to go 3.52 lightning and it can't be a tiny little dog because we [TS]

  know how long the adapter is on the headphones and looking at it right now [TS]

  yeah that's you know at a minimum like it's you know that that small so you got [TS]

  this thing sticking out your found plus the actual cable itself from the [TS]

  headphones so it's you know [TS]

  but even if you're willing to go on board with the new pair of lightning [TS]

  headphones which presumably Apple would ship with the device and other companies [TS]

  are you making if you want to charge in use at the same time do you still need [TS]

  an adapter so that you could have to lightning inputs 14 charging one for the [TS]

  headphones and I remember that would work [TS]

  yeah unless you have inductive charging right and I fully concede one of the [TS]

  things this is just one of those things where i just i just i just like to sit [TS]

  here and think about it from Apple's perspective and I don't really have [TS]

  strong feelings one way or the other [TS]

  like me trying to justify it and thinking of the reasons Apple might [TS]

  wanna do it isn't me saying I think this is a great idea I'm not sure I think [TS]

  it's interesting because there's so many critics but they're needing to charge or [TS]

  wanting to charge while you listen with headphones is absolutely positively a [TS]

  real thing I see my son doing it all the time his device devices seem to all live [TS]

  in like the best charge they never seem to get put him in the yellow [TS]

  yeah I think I mean so even just since this rumor popped up I've spotted Jonas [TS]

  at least twice using his I think we both sides of his iPad but using his iPad [TS]

  with headphones watching video while it was charging so I fully concede that is [TS]

  not just something people want to do it something people would have to do black [TS]

  to go out black screen of a dead I bet I so I don't know how Apple solves it may [TS]

  be the answer is of course that they don't and that this whole story is [TS]

  bullshit and they're they're not getting rid of the separate and that's the end [TS]

  that's the other thing that's kind of ridiculous about this thing because it [TS]

  has really been widely discussed and it is all based off this one this one [TS]

  source [TS]

  so inside Apple there's somebody you know some team that clearly already [TS]

  knows the answer to this I think that this is one of those decisions that [TS]

  already been made and they're they're they're laughing 12 either way they're [TS]

  laughing like if there is an iPhone if there is a regular good old-fashioned [TS]

  3.5 millimeter headphone jack on the iPhone 78 sure the team inside Apple is [TS]

  laughing at all the third thought that we're all putting into this and all the [TS]

  consternation out there on the web and if there's not they're they're least [TS]

  chuckling at the people who say there's no way they would do this it would make [TS]

  everybody to furious there are no stranger to controversy so it's it's [TS]

  funny though because it is clearly controversial and it's like there's [TS]

  something about our poll that makes them on you know one of the ways that Apple [TS]

  is clearly different than other companies is there the only company [TS]

  however seems to face these things I never see I for one thing the other [TS]

  companies tend to keep legacy ports around almost as long as they can as [TS]

  opposed to looking for a way to get rid of legacy ports that look for a way to [TS]

  keep them going as long as they can they don't want to lose that one extra sale [TS]

  and and then even when they do I don't know how they escaped the criticism like [TS]

  Android phones iPhones have gone from an endless if you for the sake of an [TS]

  argument if you just count the iPod as I guess sibling predecessor to the iPhone [TS]

  they've gone through two ports ever 30 Penn starting with the original iPod to [TS]

  know the first the first one under fire we're alright so it was the same on the [TS]

  fire under 30 pin end but it was only Firewire and other but will cut you know [TS]

  you needed a new cable so we'll call that we know it was a no the original [TS]

  iPod was fire on both ends [TS]

  oh my god you're right yeah you're so there are alright so here's the changes [TS]

  they've gone through from including all the hype [TS]

  the one with the first was firewire firewire then they went 30 pin FireWire [TS]

  and then it was 30 pin to USB but if you just made like a clock radio that had 30 [TS]

  pin think it would work with whatever your iPod was and then lightning other [TS]

  devices like USB went through I forget the names of them but there's like sort [TS]

  of the thicker mini USB then there's the thinner new micro USB there is like many [TS]

  USB Micro USB and now yes BC which is nice because it's like lightning and you [TS]

  can you can't put it in upside down it works both directions for some reason [TS]

  when they switch they don't get they don't get the controversy yeah that [TS]

  obviously to make me laugh because people in the end result would make fun [TS]

  of Apple for reports mentioned yeah and it's like i i I know some people are [TS]

  saying but Apple's only one who tries to gouge you for $29 for an adapter but you [TS]

  know in short order you can go to you know Amazon or monoprice for example and [TS]

  get high-quality adapter thats not made by Apple for a reasonable price so I [TS]

  mean you can make the transition and that's there is the only places that [TS]

  people on a hundred by cables and stuff like that so the fact that Apple's first [TS]

  party adapters and all girls are seemingly zorba nightly price doesn't [TS]

  really make things worse for anybody is sensitive to that just goes to Amazon [TS]

  Amazona some obscure company that nobody's heard of it it might be [TS]

  slightly cheaper here USB adapters my because because the other ones that the [TS]

  other ones somebody has to license from Apple license one end from Apple right [TS]

  but there's other [TS]

  it still gets down to the point where it's ok you know we're still talking [TS]

  about like 10 books there's other hassles involved though like that I've [TS]

  an end all reasonable I mean these are all reasonable complaints their actual [TS]

  truth you know that the actual truth are obvious [TS]

  but like the problem we're like in a two-person household where personae has [TS]

  one point they both you both have phones with the same port and in one of you [TS]

  upgrade to a new one and has a different port and now all the various places like [TS]

  in that kitchen or wherever you might share a little charging station now you [TS]

  can't just use the same cable and you've got to have two of them everywhere or [TS]

  you know divide up the territory fifty 50 doesn't matter whether it's lightning [TS]

  in 30 pin or a USB Micro USB and USB see it's the same problem but somehow this [TS]

  only becomes like a public without I don't get that either I guess it's [TS]

  because I don't know I mean I guess you you could feasibly have a choice if [TS]

  you're on Android you could have a choice to get to a phone that has the [TS]

  connector that you click it seems like an awful way to make a decision to buy [TS]

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  say this that's the idea of let's just say in theory that Apple could either [TS]

  like a month after the new iPhone seven and it doesn't have the headphone jack [TS]

  if they just have like a fish bowl and the Apple store where you can go in and [TS]

  and and just say hey I need it I knew one another one of those adapters and [TS]

  then you know did just give you one you know that not only would you get one for [TS]

  free with your iPhone that you could just go to the Apple store in like two [TS]

  or three of them that is give you like you know reasonable number of and then [TS]

  after that like like after you know the holiday season's over something like [TS]

  that they just settle in and sell them for [TS]

  I mean I think the cheapest they could possibly sell them for 995 doesn't seem [TS]

  to me like they would sell for us but that's pretty cheap [TS]

  why don't they do that why don't they just give them away like Hindi kami I [TS]

  think well there's two there's two explanations one is the cynical one [TS]

  which is that they really do [TS]

  purposefully sell them for an exhibit in price because they want the money and [TS]

  the two by two explanations are necessarily at odds with each other [TS]

  there could be different groups within the company that agree with both of them [TS]

  so they could be like a team cocoa bean counters Jeff Williams operations side [TS]

  that says we can sell these for $29 that would be great because we can make them [TS]

  for $3 the other side the product marketing site might be sort of a if we [TS]

  don't make it painful sufficiently painful to make this transition even [TS]

  knowing that there's a cost to our image because people will see a money-grubbing [TS]

  and purposefully making unknowing port decisions on the iPhone every year but [TS]

  if we don't do this if it's not sufficiently painful it won't motivate [TS]

  people to move to the new thing cuz I think about it with just the fact that [TS]

  there already are lightening headphones out there but it's so far as I can tell [TS]

  very few people use them and and there aren't as many as I guess I would like [TS]

  I'm assuming they're more expensive haven't liked yeah I guess they have to [TS]

  be licensed I don't know they would have to be rain I think I mean the only thing [TS]

  that I think that's probably true in the switch from thirty Pinto lightning cause [TS]

  I think like it was just a legitimate Leah better experience that the only [TS]

  thing that is kind of a nicely some of this is because we don't really know the [TS]

  whole story [TS]

  happening but it later but the charging situation is not really a better [TS]

  situation that is not a better experience so I guess you have a [TS]

  question asked is what would make this configuration better cause I really do [TS]

  think Apple would only this is only going to happen about the things that [TS]

  overall this is better in some way [TS]

  yeah and I don't quite sure I see it especially with the charging in [TS]

  listening at the same time we may or may not have just spent the first hour of [TS]

  the show time talking about something happening that I don't even think is [TS]

  good I just think that it could because it just sounds like something Apple [TS]

  would do what I say when I blogged about it they're just I just saw it just [TS]

  sounds like so appellee [TS]

  gonna get rid of this things that it seems absurd to get rid of and knowing [TS]

  that is going to make some people very angry and make everybody else at least [TS]

  mildly annoyed [TS]

  yea well they've been doing it for you know they've been doing it since the [TS]

  iMac yeah the other the other hole angle on this and I seem to people on Twitter [TS]

  we absolutely have to mention it can go on without doing it would be that the [TS]

  out the idea that maybe Apple expects people to switch to wireless headphones [TS]

  and then maybe even the default ones that will ship with the iPhone will be [TS]

  wireless and that yes you know if you want to use your old headphones you can [TS]

  do it with the dongle if you want to get a new pair of lightning hit from you can [TS]

  do it without a dongle but that the default experience will switch from . [TS]

  you know connected had found two wireless and they would they would have [TS]

  to show they would have to ship bluetooth headphones with every every [TS]

  iPhone possible I mean it's certainly those would be more expensive my [TS]

  experience with wireless headphones though not perfect I I do like it for [TS]

  some things I I do like it when I go jogging [TS]

  really is there's no configuration of you know even with even know even [TS]

  counting connecting it to an iPhone but just connecting it to like the smallest [TS]

  iPod iPod nanos that they ever made or whatever the small is no way exercising [TS]

  a wire Terriers is it eventually ended you gonna get tangled up in it so that [TS]

  it's great but there's some problems with it where the latency is engraved it [TS]

  certainly isn't the instantaneous latency of a wired connection you know [TS]

  like when you hit hit the clicker on your your thing to pause it takes a [TS]

  moment and it's noticeable that it doesn't cause the audio immediately yeah [TS]

  it's a fraction of a second for me now after I updated the firmware on these [TS]

  ones that I have but it's definitely noticeable every time I know that every [TS]

  single time because I'm you save you know I don't know a lifetime of thinking [TS]

  there soon as I hit pause pause I mean it was true even in their Cassetta yeah [TS]

  did the beats skip over or certainly starter every once in a while and then [TS]

  I've got these Plantronics ones that I like well enough they're fairly [TS]

  comfortable and they stay on rural but yeah I mean I try to several really [TS]

  cheap Bluetooth headsets and they were well I was really trying to find [TS]

  something that would work with the watch is I want to be able to run leave the [TS]

  house with just wearing just the white headphones and the cheap ones just did [TS]

  not too much way too much skipping it wasn't a good experience like the ones [TS]

  which are much better but still every once in a while you can skip mostly much [TS]

  more with the watch the new phone but even so I think I've gotten a couple ya [TS]

  wanting to go and you know if I could just put if I could have a copy of [TS]

  overcast on my watch and have the actual tell us overcast or even I would even [TS]

  maybe even go back to a podcast player if it was impossible for third party [TS]

  but if I could have the podcasts on my watch and leave the house with nothing [TS]

  but the watch and Bluetooth headphones that would be fantastic [TS]

  any any possible way of carrying the phone thanks for running or something [TS]

  yeah but it's hard it's end and it's it's just gets kind of frustrating [TS]

  because that's one of the things that there was one of the first videos [TS]

  yeah I get in the first watch them all these people joining with headphones [TS]

  that's not really [TS]

  yeah and that's really been out so no and when you when you get to wireless [TS]

  that the pairing process no matter how much effort they put into it is nowhere [TS]

  near as seamless as the parent process of a wired pair of headphones right out [TS]

  of this one stick it into this one and your paired whereas if your wireless [TS]

  headphones are normally paired with your iPhone but you want to just leave and [TS]

  param you know have it with their watch you've gotta go get what you can do I [TS]

  think you have to do it on the phone right over the phone and launch the [TS]

  Apple watch out and parent from there then it's unpaired from yeah it's I [TS]

  don't know it just seems to me like to make it to make that work and make it be [TS]

  the default experience that we use for headphones seems like it's not there and [TS]

  latency thing and then the skipping and stuff like that is definitely an issue [TS]

  amy has a pair that she bought I forget what brand they were but she just went [TS]

  to the wire cutter and bought there here's our recommended pair of Bluetooth [TS]

  headphones and she got judges got those and she she was mad she wanted part [TS]

  Marco to do it Wireless said that she was very upset because they were not [TS]

  good I think what happened is I think that the wire cutter maybe values that [TS]

  cost a little bit more than quality then then we do because her schiphol up to a [TS]

  couple hundred bucks yet they weren't cheap that's the other thing it wasn't [TS]

  like it wasn't like it was here's what we recommend cuz it was super low cost [TS]

  it was [TS]

  was sort of a balance between cost and it might be twenty by where they were [TS]

  like through four thousand dollars you getting there was possible I do they did [TS]

  they would 200 bucks [TS]

  $299 a 249 something it felt like I this is that it felt like I as I was cashing [TS]

  out I bought them in Apple Store just look at him and i thought i buy these [TS]

  beats ones because of these have come out recently that you know they've come [TS]

  out and take him out this year so as I after the Apple acquisition it's not a [TS]

  very happily products like Apple has you know there's probably designed before [TS]

  and I mean they use micro USB which is real pros but for the charging but I [TS]

  figured if the beat ones don't work right with apple and I you know I say [TS]

  this knowing beaches reputation that the audio quality for beats headphones of [TS]

  any sort is not that great enabler you know overpaying for the brand but I just [TS]

  figured the beat ones don't work right which went well so I might as well just [TS]

  pay for it but pay $249 for peres these things really well and I $1,000 will the [TS]

  Plantronics one for like 90 bucks and they're they're they're okay but if the [TS]

  cheap ones from third parties costs $99 Apple really afford to well I say about [TS]

  some cheap ones I mean the other ones that I've got like 30 bucks they were [TS]

  really cheap wow and I don't recommend so I had to go so basically I'm trying [TS]

  to get the plant was crippled by myself and was satisfied enough to watch and I [TS]

  wanted to be able to do this [TS]

  running with headphones and I at the time back in the spring I wasn't sure [TS]

  how much I was gonna like the watch and so i didnt [TS]

  I didn't really want to dump a lot of money on this whole thing so I wanted to [TS]

  buy one in particular for the headphones I want to be as possible [TS]

  yeah I know I seems to me that Apple will have to improve the state of the [TS]

  art considerably to make that possible as this sort of default experience for [TS]

  how we're going to listen to stuff from our iPhones to make wireless and I say [TS]

  wireless Bluetooth because maybe the way that they would do it would be to use [TS]

  their own wireless I don't play well but you something other than Bluetooth [TS]

  simply because I don't I honestly don't think bluetooth is all they could I quit [TS]

  last month that you know the slogan of the Bluetooth you know consortium is [TS]

  just wait till next year but it really is they care it's been forever ever [TS]

  since every I ever since I first bought my first Bluetooth product it has always [TS]

  been you figure out finally get it working and you realize this isn't that [TS]

  great and it's kind of finicky and sometimes loses it loses its connection [TS]

  even when it's right next door of the thing it's supposed to be connected to [TS]

  and then you go and read about it and they're like you just wait till [TS]

  Bluetooth 2.0 is all these problems to come by now comes out you realize it has [TS]

  all these promising and they say just wait till Bluetooth 3.0 just wait to [TS]

  Bluetooth 4.0 with low-powered stuff like that but it's now they're saying [TS]

  whatever the next polluted this gonna solve these problems I mean I hope it [TS]

  does someday but I would be surprised I really would be surprised at all if [TS]

  Apple just goes proprietary on it and figured out their own short-range [TS]

  wireless networking thing [TS]

  networking is quite the right way to put it but you know wireless connector [TS]

  technology just do it on their own I don't know make my experience that with [TS]

  their place so I think that that more complicated though cuz I think airplay [TS]

  is who knows [TS]

  yes dependent on a lot of different things right now because it has to go [TS]

  through your network and right and because it's not just something that's [TS]

  no good wifi channels [TS]

  the other thing but it gets back to charging and he gets back to you know [TS]

  that there's a few using wired headphones and sharing the same port [TS]

  there's a problem or if you want to charge it there's a charging foul with [TS]

  wireless headphones too which is that your headphones can lose their battery [TS]

  power and that's it so if your default headphones are wireless now you're just [TS]

  adding yet another thing that you need to charge dearly like I understand the [TS]

  appeal of wow this is yet another thing that we don't need it I don't need a [TS]

  cable for any more to use but on the other hand you need now you need another [TS]

  thing to charge all the time and the beat the beat you have decent battery [TS]

  life it's about what I kind of a guess about the best I could have hoped for [TS]

  but it's not great I mean it's you have to you have to remember you have to [TS]

  remember to charge him on the plane from this thing about the Plantronics is when [TS]

  you turn it on and don't think it doesn't we should do it when he turned [TS]

  off but when you turn it on it tells you how charged it is it's the battery full [TS]

  well you can see actually its smallest icon anybody's ever created but when you [TS]

  pair them with their iPhone there's a little charge indicator on the menu bar [TS]

  for everything it's maybe just for the beat I thought I remember seeing that [TS]

  but I don't mind wasn't looking for it instead of a battery that stores on a [TS]

  little vertical battery and it is so small that I really I can't see it with [TS]

  my contact lenses in [TS]

  I can see it but I can't read my can't read how high it goes because I could [TS]

  just tell them there's a little rectangle there but it's not really even [TS]

  if I close my bad I just can't make it out of context and I have my glasses on [TS]

  I can take my glasses off and I can see that close but it's just way too small [TS]

  what's the indicator on your plan trying how does it get to suggest how much [TS]

  battery left when you turn it when he powered on we put him on parenting on it [TS]

  tells you talks with a voice yeah well what does it say that's just it says [TS]

  connected her headphones connected to beat the system gets a something on the [TS]

  beach just play a tone but the tone definitely doesn't change when you given [TS]

  the battery life anyway [TS]

  coincidental coincidences are next batter is caspar their company that [TS]

  makes engineered mattresses at a shockingly fair price and I believe air [TS]

  mattresses come complete with all the legally obligated mass text which you [TS]

  are free to cut off on to setup setup at home they have here's what they do [TS]

  they're like the apple of mattress companies they don't you don't go to [TS]

  them and then decide whether you want this type of former that type of former [TS]

  mediums [TS]

  sinker spring technology that technology these guys have figured out exactly the [TS]

  way good mattress should feel and they've engineered their own custom [TS]

  blend of latex foam in memory foam together to have a mattress that is just [TS]

  right [TS]

  these guys know mattresses I don't you don't know mattresses I don't buy a [TS]

  mattress every couple years at most frequent [TS]

  these guys think about all the time their mattress pros they've got just the [TS]

  right one to all you have to pick is your size you don't have to go there and [TS]

  figure out whether you want springs or memory foam latex from you just get a [TS]

  great mattress you just pick what size bed you have you got a great mattress [TS]

  and there you go now the other thing is you're going to pay a lot less you [TS]

  getting high quality mattress that is made in America american-made mattresses [TS]

  and the prices are just fantastic $500 for twin size mattress $950 for a king [TS]

  size mattress compare that to industry prices and it's just outstanding and the [TS]

  whole reason is that they sell direct there are no middlemen are not selling [TS]

  to there's no middleman retailers that did you go through and they need a [TS]

  markup and there's no salesmen getting a commission nothing like that and you [TS]

  even save on the delivery costs because they they because they're made of this [TS]

  phone in a vacuum seal them up into these ridiculously little dorm room [TS]

  refrigerator box size things even cost less for them to ship them around so if [TS]

  you have any question in your mind matters here thinking I'd really this [TS]

  castro thing sounds great you have to go to a store getting a small delivery you [TS]

  just not sure about you know buying this thing online without ever having to to [TS]

  try it out and storage touch it early on it over there they have a money back [TS]

  guarantee for a hundred days sleep on the thing for three months and if you're [TS]

  not happy just call them up and they will come take it no no questions asked [TS]

  no hard sell they did really do if you don't like it just call me up a pack [TS]

  hundred days and that's with free delivery and the return is is painless [TS]

  so here's what you do go to caspar sleep dot com slash the talk-show think / talk [TS]

  show burt's too because I think at some point I might have screwed it up during [TS]

  the sponsor readonly [TS]

  very very nice enough to fix it and they both work but I just checked casper [TS]

  sleep telecom / of the talk show does work and when you go there you can save [TS]

  50 bucks off any mattress off the already low prices just by going there [TS]

  terms and conditions apply I don't know what the terms and conditions are but [TS]

  but they do so my thanks to Casper and just for disclosure purposes you're [TS]

  lying on the couch for mattress right now I can read that is our record the [TS]

  show the reasons it's actually very nice acoustics yeah Thnkx oh yeah and I sound [TS]

  better what I'm laying flat on my back hurts the diaphragm what's the other guy [TS]

  did another rumor that came out today and it doesn't make any sense does it [TS]

  make any sense at all to me so I don't even know how to write about you know I [TS]

  despaired if it doesn't make any sense [TS]

  better for the podcast I say it but I really mean that I actually mean that I [TS]

  find that having a podcast I listen to a blog some still best stuff to put on the [TS]

  to talk about on the podcast is the stuff that doesn't make any sense to me [TS]

  and this is a story MacRumors picked it up this is about the to see this with [TS]

  somebody I don't know who the sources here but somebody is saying that Apple [TS]

  is working on a next-generation iPad iPad MacBook Airs 1315 age that will be [TS]

  coming out 13 and 15 inch [TS]

  ascended link right now but I read it here this is ty want is information from [TS]

  Taiwan's economic daily news and what they say [TS]

  his album may be preparing to introduce a revamp MacBook Air at next year's [TS]

  World Wide Developers Conference according to Taiwan's economic Daily [TS]

  News enable Google Translate link to the original if Apple holds true to recent [TS]

  history would be there would be in June blah blah blah unclear whether an 11 [TS]

  inch model will also be included I went to the Google Translate thing and it did [TS]

  seem like that's what the original article which was written in Chinese [TS]

  said that it did I mention the 11 engine and trans trying to read between the [TS]

  lines of the you know the Google Translate English it seem like they're [TS]

  saying that might happen or might not but they're saying 13 inch in 15 and [TS]

  sizes [TS]

  no no said other stuff about the specs or anything like that no news about [TS]

  whether they're ready or not this whole thing makes no sense to me what to know [TS]

  you know because to me starting even just with the naming of the eye of the [TS]

  MacBook you know the one and only has one USB seaport that charging and [TS]

  connecting peripherals [TS]

  which by the way might be a hint as to how much Apple cares about you having to [TS]

  you use some kind of why splitting dongle if you need to charge to listen [TS]

  to something at the same time but anyway the name of it [TS]

  the fact that it is thinner and lighter than a MacBook Air but they just call it [TS]

  the MacBook certainly suggests to me that the MacBook Air is you know only [TS]

  hang around because it can be sold cheaper than the MacBook and is the [TS]

  price of making a MacBook drops eventually the MacBook Airs doesn't make [TS]

  any sense to me that David doing next generation yeah yeah very strange and in [TS]

  different sizes [TS]

  year the only thing that made that would make sense to me would be if he is the [TS]

  only way to destroy make sense to me is if they're not talking about MacBook [TS]

  Airs but instead the devices they're talking about are in fact next [TS]

  generation MacBook Pros is then 13 and 15 inches 2 sizes and you know compared [TS]

  to the MacBook [TS]

  current MacBook Pros rather thick you know and it seems like Apple's sort of [TS]

  prefers aesthetically the teardrop profile for laptops and that that [TS]

  MacBook Pros the retina MacBook Pros in both sizes have the symmetric [TS]

  rectangular sort of profile simply because that's the best they could do at [TS]

  the time to get all the components in to drive the red the screen so my guess [TS]

  would be if there's any truth to the story it would be this would be my guess [TS]

  is that new MacBook Pros are coming next year and they might go back to go to [TS]

  like an error style teardrop profile yeah you go through that can replace era [TS]

  with perot it makes more sense yeah and I just think marketing wise I feel like [TS]

  the current situation where they've got three three types of MacBook even if you [TS]

  discount the pros and the heirs as the same but which size which i think is [TS]

  fair I don't think people are confused by whether they wanted 11 injuring 13 [TS]

  inch air or 13 inch era 5950 13 inch Pro 15 inch pro I still think though that [TS]

  having to choose that the MacBook existing alongside there is just a [TS]

  little bit confusing and I know that there's a well do you want to read the [TS]

  screen or you know you want to have these super thin even more portable size [TS]

  but it just seems to me like it's all about what price points they can hit and [TS]

  right now they can't hit that $8.99 starting price with this MacBook and so [TS]

  their lives on until it you know ya is the is the Retina screen itself that I [TS]

  mean is that the price difference is that component that expensive I think so [TS]

  combined with the having a graphics card that can drive has a has to go you know [TS]

  has to really has a uniform graphics card perspective it really is more of a [TS]

  Forex difference in performance than a two X it's really the total number of [TS]

  pixels not just how many pixels are in an engine 12 I really do think it's [TS]

  definitely definitely expensive it doesn't seem like they would just [TS]

  continue the pro in rename it the year now that doesn't make any sense another [TS]

  logical possibility going through this but it doesn't that seems unlikely yeah [TS]

  because it's it you know you can quibble about some of Apple's product naming [TS]

  strategies and whether they make center now like the way that the [TS]

  third-generation iPad just became the iPad the iPad 3 right wasn't that when [TS]

  they did the iPad iPad 2 and iPad I think right now we have iPad 2 and iPad [TS]

  Mini for write something like there's no there's no hope and iPad Mini 3 on sale [TS]

  right so like when they decide to just numbers stuff forces you know like you [TS]

  know there's a whole thing is a little messy right iPads just get a number that [TS]

  increments even if the form factor stays the same but i phone you know get this [TS]

  ass every other year [TS]

  but nothing makes like nothing goes contrary to common sense which is what [TS]

  it would be if if the iPad if the MacBook Pro got rename the MacBook Air [TS]

  it so that doesn't get heavier than the regular MacBook Pro to me says this is [TS]

  more powerful and therefore it's a little heavier yeah we're zaire says [TS]

  this is lighter I also think it also makes sense to me because something like [TS]

  what they intend to call it and marketing is exactly the sort of thing [TS]

  that whatever the sources in Taiwan who told them this would have no access to [TS]

  ever read because they're you know that's just the sort of thing that [TS]

  doesn't that really doesn't leak out of Cupertino because indeed no reason for [TS]

  it they just know the code name for it [TS]

  companies in Asia does know something like sixty eight or something like that [TS]

  yeah so what's the current so that the current difference between the air and [TS]

  the Pro is mostly is the retina display and it's actually very complicated it's [TS]

  a really like if you just had to buy one right now today is to me a very [TS]

  complicated decision so aesthetically the Retina screen is the biggest [TS]

  difference in 20 if you really want to read the screen then you can get the [TS]

  regular MacBook but they're even though it's cheaper is faster as has higher [TS]

  performance wasn't where I guess [TS]

  never i'd never looked at them and have a look at the MacBook Pro and interested [TS]

  buying one in years has been on the air for a while now so and I actually AM [TS]

  link recently been thinking I got mine has been this from 2012 so it's gonna be [TS]

  time to upgrade soon this seems like kind of a bad time to do it I think it [TS]

  probably is because I really don't think you want to buy you don't wanna buy [TS]

  another screen right whatever the performance gains would be there to know [TS]

  three years is pretty significant but it's why I think you could probably get [TS]

  by until they at least until you see what they come out here and I don't be [TS]

  irate because I don't want to get a pro and I feel like I somehow upgrade in [TS]

  next year's MacBook is going to be significant [TS]

  yeah you mean the just plain MacBook right and I i just feel I don't know why [TS]

  I know nothing I don't have any information about where I just know [TS]

  nothing in general but I know nothing about Apple's product plants I don't ask [TS]

  people stuff like that but just common sense why's it it I I'm almost certain [TS]

  that there be a new MacBook next year and it's probably going to be a pretty [TS]

  significant upgrade over last year's because a because last year's had a lot [TS]

  of very obvious flaws so there's low hanging fruit and how they can make it [TS]

  better and be it's the first generation of anything that Apple is almost [TS]

  certainly to be able to improve it one year over another it's it's only one [TS]

  products have been around for three or four revolutions [TS]

  where they might let it sit for 18 months between an update because it's [TS]

  you know they've they've gotten so good at doing blank that this this is good [TS]

  enough this is actually goes to be able to be appealing to customers for you [TS]

  know 18 months or even closer to two years so I don't know I think if they [TS]

  could if they could make the MacBook better next year and then maybe keep the [TS]

  same one that they were all started selling last year but dropped the price [TS]

  significantly introduced a new one that's better keep this one around at a [TS]

  lower price point [TS]

  get rid of the year maybe they can get rid of the air and especially to maybe [TS]

  if they could if they can make the throws the inner ear drops yeah right [TS]

  right maybe like the 13 inch or maybe the 11 inch air stays around just a hit [TS]

  that $8.99 price point whatever it is that well yeah it seems like the kind of [TS]

  thing that would be you know what we always calling educational alright [TS]

  that's something that you really have you have to go into the store and like [TS]

  asked to see the starting prices for the MacBook Air 11 inch started eight 9913 [TS]

  it starts at $9.99 so who knows if the MacBook dropped that much year over year [TS]

  but it may be closed what it started now $12.99 yes I just loaded the page but I [TS]

  had to wait for Apple's animation to [TS]

  to load before I could find it $12.99 so yeah I really doubt this gonna go from [TS]

  $12.99 28 years so I guess the air gets another you know there's no but they [TS]

  haven't they haven't always been right but I think they can I think they could [TS]

  set up in a way where they don't emphasize that much in the way that they [TS]

  don't really emphasize very much the free iPhone 5 ass right that they give a [TS]

  lot of publicity to the to the new ones the MacBook and MacBook Pro and MacBook [TS]

  Air in the back [TS]

  yeah but for a long time they started i mean they started at $9.99 and there may [TS]

  have been given a point where they started like 1100 the laptops used to [TS]

  cost 5000 well yeah and it almost seems like I don't think they'd be adverse to [TS]

  going back to 1999 when they have sitting in the middle right that's an [TS]

  interesting point that maybe they could maybe they could get away with somebody [TS]

  comes in they only want to spend X amount you know let's face it their [TS]

  heart isn't really in the lowest possible price products [TS]

  although I mean I said I would say that the MacBook Air of all of them is the [TS]

  law of the lowest price ones is probably not such a bad machine now it's not bad [TS]

  get back to the whole argument we did you know how many times about hey what [TS]

  should I do with the next generation iPhone should they keep the same [TS]

  thickness it already so nation then and just miniaturize everything input more [TS]

  battery and extend battery life or should they make the device ever thinner [TS]

  and Apple tends to lean towards making it then air and lots of people wish that [TS]

  they would just make the battery life better [TS]

  that's exactly i mean bottom line putting the argument about this one USB [TS]

  port side I think that's ultimately the biggest complaint people have about the [TS]

  MacBook is that there was then enough and that they should have just kept [TS]

  making battery life better [TS]

  yea well really people still complain about the MacBook Air battery life is [TS]

  pretty well it is pretty good I guess but that they were there as somebody [TS]

  does not have a current went well and maybe we don't know how good you had it [TS]

  may be it may be even better if maybe it comes down to things like performance [TS]

  that they would go with this low power core an you know CPU they could have had [TS]

  you know just keep making the dunno just keep that form factor and just switched [TS]

  to a Retina display and keep making the performance better anymore I think that [TS]

  would people wanted was for them to do a retina MacBook Air looks I think it [TS]

  looks like they're never gonna do it this was talking about us I just don't [TS]

  see it yeah I mean I died but I think this is the colors would be interesting [TS]

  to know whether the Pro is going to go with like color options for grades based [TS]

  I would love to have space crayon yeah I don't want I don't cover it the MacBook [TS]

  at all because it's you know I want more around [TS]

  but I do covered the way that yeah it starts it starts with a kegs of RAM have [TS]

  whatever I think it's ok I like taps taps to take a break and I mean for [TS]

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  really really good stuff thanks to them what to talk about but also going on [TS]

  this week maybe I should have something to talk about how well it was about Star [TS]

  Wars no no no [TS]

  ok you know I know you don't want to talk about how do I know yes yes I don't [TS]

  know I know you don't want to talk about so I can do without talking spoilers [TS]

  yea well okay so do you have tickets idea I'll definitely and you know this [TS]

  is one where I really care and amy is sort of vaguely interested but not like [TS]

  me [TS]

  and I didn't know you had to pre-order I'm I'm the dad who no longer understand [TS]

  how movie's theatrical movies work you know me like I remember when I was [TS]

  younger my dad found out that movies for $5 [TS]

  you know you like kids ticket they can believe it he just absolutely can't [TS]

  believe that finally costs $5 to go to a movie I'm like that now both with prices [TS]

  like Jonas Island to see spektr and I didn't know about this online ordering I [TS]

  doesn't make any sense to me it seems to me like if you want to go see I just [TS]

  assumed that if you want to go see Star Wars on opening weekend you gotta go you [TS]

  gotta drive somewhere and they get out and you go away in a big long line with [TS]

  lots of people and after waiting line you go see the movie but it turns out [TS]

  what you need to do is buy your ticket I didn't know this Amy did and really sort [TS]

  of saved my bacon sorry we are you saying you cannot buy tickets at no you [TS]

  can't think for opening again because you never gonna yeah I don't think [TS]

  you'll never get in unless they open up unless they surprise people by having [TS]

  more screenings of it then there publicizing in advance [TS]

  yeah they might do because that seems like that would be a mean yeah and [TS]

  although they might presale maybe have to figure out the second pre-sell day to [TS]

  get in on those I mean it seems as though it seems like it might before it [TS]

  even happens it might become the biggest box office opening weekend ever think [TS]

  it's gonna be used to be so I still so i think im out I don't have taken it yet [TS]

  well so I don't mind I my son doesn't like going to the movies that much like [TS]

  going out the movies that much and so I approached him with the idea [TS]

  and then when I showed him the trailer he was little more interested so I still [TS]

  haven't gotten like a firm commitment hands I'm not exactly sure when we would [TS]

  schedule this event so I feel I feel like rushing out buying tickets on an [TS]

  even footing yeah yeah I want to forget if there's I guess StubHub aftermarket [TS]

  forum like sporting event it seems crazy but I mean it's absolutely insane how [TS]

  hard it was and it was one of those things where I did it the first night [TS]

  that they went on sale at the right time and it really only I really I must say [TS]

  only because my wife are you gonna buy Star Wars tickets and I might be talking [TS]

  about and she explained to me and I immediately you know where and i think [TS]

  it's Fandango yeah yeah and it was like buying an Apple product when they first [TS]

  go on sale at their website was going down you know it was saying ridiculous [TS]

  things like that was the other thing like I could actually get on Fandango it [TS]

  was saying things like that the movie theater was didn't have any tickets [TS]

  available for a certain show and MR two minutes after they want us out so that [TS]

  can't be it can't be that they've sold out in two minutes and in fact it wasn't [TS]

  but it was like they did back and was just completely blown apart and then the [TS]

  worst of all any kind of thing like this one here in like a mad rush to buy [TS]

  tickets is when you you get through you get the tickets you want and you were [TS]

  going through the process of like saying and the Fandango and then they'd just [TS]

  says like an error occurred [TS]

  don't have tickets are I do I not have to get you don't know and it's hard to [TS]

  even check if you have tickets because their website is down and then you go [TS]

  and find out that no you don't have to get it was it was stressful but I do [TS]

  have tickets for think it's a 10 o'clock showing on Thursday the night before it [TS]

  oh yeah and I've already been told that I will be I will be responsible for [TS]

  digging Jones school graduations [TS]

  getting up early and staying up late and then I got I think I've Saturday [TS]

  afternoon matinee tickets seems like a better theater like a place with [TS]

  reserved seating so you have to set to set a ticket on Thursday night and [TS]

  Saturday trying to find that I was going to show you the one of the things that [TS]

  we don't win and angle was going down one of the images that one of the images [TS]

  that they showed was was honshu Falken something's gone wrong and it's like you [TS]

  got the goggles on welding the Millennium Falcon from Empire Strikes [TS]

  Back that's actually pretty funny yeah you know that's one of the things I have [TS]

  to rewatch haven't I have not really watch those films in a while at least [TS]

  ever since it was announced that hey disney's buying Star Wars I'm gonna [TS]

  reboot the franchise reboot but which i think would be terrible that would be [TS]

  like three cats on solo now but relaunch we're going to you know we're doing the [TS]

  the trilogy that everybody always wanted to take place after you know the one you [TS]

  loved I immediately just stopped watching all of them and I thought I [TS]

  just you know I wait and then whatever this movie actually comes out you know [TS]

  what family weekend and watch all the old ones I'm excited to do that [TS]

  including the pre yeah I think you have to include [TS]

  it's so hard you know that's an interesting thing it's I've said this [TS]

  before on the show where I've noticed you know and I i've i've Jonas has been [TS]

  watching them since he was ridiculously early young he's never been a kid who's [TS]

  sort of a very gentle kid in real life is not like you know get Remy in house [TS]

  sorta kid and so he you know dealing with like violent action movie even [TS]

  considering Star Wars is sort of violent has never caused him to like act up in [TS]

  ways and it's never you know he was afraid of the rancor and already did [TS]

  likewise in the long run out of the room [TS]

  yeah but he but he could handle that sort of thing to like you like so if [TS]

  they want to see the wampa but it wouldn't like keep him up at night or [TS]

  make him cry all it did is when he watched Empire Strikes Back he would [TS]

  just eat knew it was coming and he just ran out of the room and a sort of wait [TS]

  until he could hear that it was over and indeed run back and he was so we let him [TS]

  watch immorally the thing I noticed was that they all blur together form as a [TS]

  kid and maybe a you know I'm sure somewhere if he's listening Syracuse's [TS]

  really angry at me that I didn't really strategize this aspect of my father just [TS]

  let him watch what he wanted to but I might there and that was just can't see [TS]

  if if you've got unlimited access to Star Wars movies that you can watch in [TS]

  your home on a nice TV I just couldn't bring myself to not let him do it like [TS]

  it would have driven me not if when I was a kid if I could have had all the [TS]

  all the Star Wars you candy to not be able to do it so I don't do it and it [TS]

  blurred together and i notice when he played with his friends [TS]

  early like kindergarten first grade 8 impress me and I really enjoyed the fact [TS]

  that his his penis friends were really into Star Wars not quite to the way that [TS]

  you and I were back in the day you know the way that really Star Wars was [TS]

  everything to me everything you know [TS]

  seventy seven through eighty three or so [TS]

  it was the only thing that mattered it's not quite like that but they were you [TS]

  know it was more than just you know this week there in the star wars in the next [TS]

  week they're into something else they were really in stores for all but it all [TS]

  blurred together make they just didn't see to two trilogies where one was [TS]

  better than the other they just say it's all and I found it very hot yeah that is [TS]

  interesting and has never seen the prequels see you're just like seriously [TS]

  so you're probably have been nice well I started out like that I started out like [TS]

  no he's not gonna he's not going to see him and then you know we got through the [TS]

  history seen all the original movies a few times not relentlessly like I have [TS]

  but he seen them a few times and then he got really into the Clone Wars animated [TS]

  he was in for him that's really his Star Wars but how do you really like that a [TS]

  lot why would you let him watch the the Clone Wars but not watch the fight I [TS]

  think the Clone Wars damage is better than the pre cause I in many ways I [TS]

  agree but I feel like they're up a piece because it clearly in terms of the [TS]

  timing you know it's it's entirely within the realm of Anakin and obi-wan [TS]

  you know buddy cops yeah but so as well so when clone wars ended ok well maybe [TS]

  now in this law is the time to watch the prequels and I got what I got like a fan [TS]

  it I thought it was for me to do this at least get a cut out as much as Jar Jar [TS]

  as I possibly can and said I offer a nice that I get this week we can watch [TS]

  them and he said no you realize that this is this is a lot like it's a lot [TS]

  like a religious cult [TS]

  it like a year you're ready to not only in Georgia right well I don't think I [TS]

  don't think I'm Rhino jury in the world would imagine imagine how this could [TS]

  play out though over the decades where let's say he does agree to watch with [TS]

  you and you guys watch The Phantom Menace but you watch your fan attic and [TS]

  I'm not doubting that van natta cut is probably a better picture and must be it [TS]

  might be a really great experience if you've never seen the delucas yeah but [TS]

  then imagine like thirty years from now and and he's talking to somebody you [TS]

  know and similar age and they're like that charge is only in it for like five [TS]

  minutes why are you really is like in the background he's not even doing [TS]

  anything at all it was ridiculous antics I saw him if he didn't he didn't wanna [TS]

  Stephan when he was kinda done and then since like as I thought oh well after [TS]

  the the rebels thing you know he likes the intimate stuff maybe he'll watch [TS]

  rebels in there is no no it's like he's moved it's like he's moved on but he [TS]

  maybes might be getting he might be coming around to the movie though so I'm [TS]

  hoping yeah maybe he'll build bombard him with the marketing and it's right [TS]

  yeah and other kids at school right exactly but also largely partly due to [TS]

  Disney I feel like Disney yes how to yeah I get a good thing does he doesn't [TS]

  try to sell cigarette yeah he wasn't really he was in the hospital for a few [TS]

  days and he's fine now but when he was well he was sick in the last month or [TS]

  not this apparently still this month but when we started watching James Bond [TS]

  movies which he had not seen before [TS]

  had a night offered I think I'd off [TS]

  once or twice before but she was not here not he didn't really know enough [TS]

  James Bond to be interested but I think one of them just ended up being on the [TS]

  hospital TV and he started watching it and liked it and so we watched I think [TS]

  we serve three years of the Pierce Brosnan and then we watch both of the [TS]

  Timothy Dalton and Roger Moore now as far as we know as far as we got but he [TS]

  seemed like I mean like three weeks he seen great swath of James Bond that he [TS]

  had never seen before and you liked him and I think because he was sick so when [TS]

  we got home I showed I started showing him Casino Royale and I think that it's [TS]

  updated in sort of more realistic tone was not as comforting to him as the slow [TS]

  pace of the old of the older ones like being sick he wanted something that you [TS]

  know the the Roger Moore running around in pants up to his chest in the eighties [TS]

  was something that was kind of comforting yeah the Roger Moore ones and [TS]

  again they're probably in hindsight is time goes on there my least favorite but [TS]

  I'd love them though because they were the new ones when I was a kid [TS]

  yeah and it's funny because to me as a kid [TS]

  the rider morillon's looked crackled with newness like just like an unopened [TS]

  package from company in Oregon opened Apple product you know like they just [TS]

  seen ya you and that Connery one seemed old like in the way that like everything [TS]

  in Star Wars was meant to look like it's just ridiculous because it was only a [TS]

  difference of like 10 years but I could just see the difference you know I could [TS]

  see that this suits that Connery was wearing orange today you know whatever [TS]

  you 79 [TS]

  whatever I was watching as I said look so sixties it looks ancient because it [TS]

  just seemed to me like I was a kid I was a ten year old kid the sixties seemed [TS]

  longer ago than they do to me today when your kids your sense of time is so acute [TS]

  sense of newness and currency and stuff like that and I just love them or want [TS]

  but even in hindsight now that the more ones look dated and I think probably are [TS]

  the most of any of them as they relate the ones that I feel great we're just [TS]

  the most faddish his outfits and reading the even the early AM even the earlier [TS]

  ones yeah I mean by the time it gets to the eighties it's just he's just so well [TS]

  but it's kind of a kind of painful I i kind of excuse it because I think the [TS]

  seventies were really odd decade where it would have been very difficult for [TS]

  them to do to dress him in a more timeless fashion like I feel like they [TS]

  you can get away with that in mind when it wasn't it wasn't cool yeah it was so [TS]

  it was so decidedly uncool [TS]

  just couldn't be done but overall the more ones to me they just go down like [TS]

  they just go down like ice cream on a hot day it's just it just you don't have [TS]

  to work to get into them at all [TS]

  yeah and they don't ask you to accept anything unpleasant you know there's [TS]

  there's like a nasty edge to the contrary ones it's certainly in terms of [TS]

  the content is nothing that really alarming and are not particularly [TS]

  violent because of when they were made [TS]

  at least in terms of what actually shown on screen but there's a certain nasty [TS]

  undertone 22 connery yes yeah yeah and more as you know was was much more [TS]

  relaxed I've always had to like talking about these I one of the things that [TS]

  with more he played it in a way that there was a sense that he knew he was [TS]

  James Bond and it already read the script and knew that he was gonna he [TS]

  knew that no matter what predicament he was in the moment [TS]

  hey I know where the third act and I'm in Iraq on the ocean [TS]

  you know it's all going to be ok he just always played it as a guy who had [TS]

  already read then to the script in newark is going [TS]

  already read then to the script in newark is going [TS]

  they're still i mean there's like those one of them and i cant rember wanna say [TS]

  for your eyes only but he slaps the female woman around and you know it's [TS]

  really kind of threatening to her and then you know and then of course she did [TS]

  and up online sacrifice yeah that's our nodes I don't remember what they do all [TS]

  they they blur together but it might be for your eyes only and I it's it's a [TS]

  scene that seems it would you would never really thought well you might have [TS]

  thought it would have thought twice about it but it would have felt natural [TS]

  for Connery's bond to do it and it really felt out of place with Roger [TS]

  Moore's not even not even at Roger Moore as an actor couldn't do it but it just [TS]

  didn't go along with the rest of how we played the character right just this [TS]

  just be clear here that you've parenting is such that you've never allowed you [TS]

  Sunday to see the ya day and draw the line [TS]

  Jar Jar Binks drawn the line that's too far [TS]

  James Bond / 18 ok violent yeah [TS]

  a break here before I have one more one word sponsors and it's our good friends [TS]

  at Harry's now here's the thing is the time of year I get very stressed cuz you [TS]

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  December 23rd so it's just a disaster and I wound up buying everybody stuff [TS]

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  they sent me their holiday said they've got this holiday set and it's great I [TS]

  hadn't had a new harry's kit for years because they sent me the first one years [TS]

  ago when I first started sponsoring the show and they still have that same [TS]

  original harry's handle which still looks brand new all I've ever done from [TS]

  them is just keep buying new blade because that's all I've ever needed to [TS]

  replace what they sent me this Harry holiday set just so I could see it so I [TS]

  know what I'm talking about and it's great it is everything I like about [TS]

  Harry's it's a great handle grip blades comes with some shaving cream in a [TS]

  really really gorgeously designed package again I've said this many times [TS]

  before and I mean it's a story of packaging where I the packrat in me hate [TS]

  to throw it out because it is so nice and it's even just little things like [TS]

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  what else we got we gotta wrap it up seems like I think I think I was [TS]

  actually thinking the man with the Golden Gun just to be clear yeah you [TS]

  know what you say that that makes sense that and and the one who was the other [TS]

  one dimension for your eyes only is the one that looks like it has incredibly [TS]

  cheap production values ya think that was when I get that the man with the [TS]

  Golden Gun and with a climactic fistfight between Roger Moore and [TS]

  revivals Herve villages whose who was a little person James Bond chasing a [TS]

  little person around the master bedroom money it's it's also got that one has [TS]

  has not only does it has a click racism played off from laughs because it's got [TS]

  bet that southern sheriff guy in like Thailand and some of the things that he [TS]

  says there was an odd decision to bring that guy back because people really the [TS]

  racist southern sheriff was so popular [TS]

  let's bring him back again what was he and what was the first one he was in the [TS]

  Paul McCartney theme song [TS]

  yeah yeah that they had to bring him back rub back when they bring people [TS]

  back it's always so i cant believe you don't have stars tickets are probably [TS]

  gonna regret that I'm regretting it already [TS]

  anything else try to think there's any other news this week I don't really [TS]

  think so little slut you read did you see the Fraser Speirs post now I have [TS]

  yeah yeah what he say he pulled up here [TS]

  approach replace your iPad very clever that's what I can tell he's going yeah [TS]

  the rest of it basically I should send I'm gonna put this in the show too I [TS]

  forget if I link to this on my side are not sometimes I have something to link [TS]

  to I forget a very good to a lot of its not really important but there was a [TS]

  thousand get exactly the same sort of thing it's a review of a gasoline [TS]

  powered internal combustion engine car from the perspective of a test loner it [TS]

  is so great [TS]

  gas car air conditioners so you can find it there ok this sounds like it's of of [TS]

  a similar angle yeah I mean I just have seen a lot of posts about things about [TS]

  whether or not intended for serious work and you probably discuss this many times [TS]

  but it seems it seems like there was something that we sell a long time ago [TS]

  and people are still trying to make this an argument for an artist note taker [TS]

  teacher you're going to really struggle without the native ability to use an [TS]

  apple pencil on the screen [TS]

  that's good that's really good how are you going to use it standing up you can [TS]

  it's very difficult to use the MacBook Pro [TS]

  dangerous to use 11 walking over now if you are a road warrior the MacBook Pros [TS]

  total lack of cellular connectivity options it's really good [TS]

  alright that's I don't think there's anything else you can think for another [TS]

  hour yeah now maybe not maybe next next time john wants people can get all the [TS]

  most they want on Twitter and an enzyme that at moths and then they can see your [TS]

  very fine website very nice very nice website very it's also very fine but [TS]

  it's mostly very nice website and your podcasts regular blood tests are you [TS]

  know what's got you be so yeah I know there's no there's no competing with now [TS]

  I got a theory I wanted to bring it up he was just on the show and I thought [TS]

  about it and i just didnt wanna I don't wanna make a comfortable but I did it [TS]

  has occurred to me that might be a member that movie The Prestige yeah yeah [TS]

  and I kinda don't want to spoil it for anybody who has watched the prestige and [TS]

  I'll just say they haven't seen in awhile to refresh my memory [TS]

  I think it might be a prestige type scenario you know it makes sense to [TS]

  people have seen the president or should I just because you're not going to do it [TS]

  and that alright that I want to know what you don't want Star Wars spoilers [TS]

  people don't want this right I do think I i should say this before I wrap up I [TS]

  keep forgetting to do stuff like this a lot of times I want to tell people who [TS]

  listen to so I want to talk to you I get so caught up talking to guess they [TS]

  forget to talk to the audience I want to talk to the audiences for a second then [TS]

  just say that I'm thinking about talking about Spector on an upcoming show it's [TS]

  not gonna quite be the old way that it was with Dan Marino a point-by-point [TS]

  review of the movie but i just want to talk about it with with that and i [TS]

  havent talked about Skyfall either but I might and it's so if you're thinking [TS]

  about you know if you want to listen to it while it's fresh you should talk to [TS]

  you and you've been procrastinating on going to the theaters to see spektr you [TS]

  should stop and you should do your homework for the talk shows to go see [TS]

  spektr and then no one will be mad when I actually do it and then they will join [TS]

  us I haven't decided that's possibility I mean I did go see it with Jonas [TS]

  possibility I haven't decided what to do it's got to be something different that [TS]

  would certainly be different but that would be different not impressive he's [TS]

  been on the show [TS]

  yeah it was pretty young we did too because it was back all the way back but [TS]

  damn time we wrote a check here in Philly desire to go and I came up and [TS]

  said hey you you and then he turned right to joining us and you were great [TS]

  on the podcast is one of my favorite episodes I've ever had it was a very [TS]

  nice guy and wasn't weird only did it very good that's nice [TS]

  see this thing I got one more thing you see the thing with the Amazon thing with [TS]

  the prime air-ground know put in the show knows it's they have they released [TS]

  a YouTube video and they've got showing their their their their latest [TS]

  generation actual working prototype Prime delivery drone how this was their [TS]

  cyber monday Thursday or I guess but it's it's kinda cool what's cool too I [TS]

  don't know how close they are to illegally being allowed to to actually [TS]

  use this but they're saying that what is actually shown in the video is not like [TS]

  that they've taken CGI anything it's an actual device doing what they're saying [TS]

  is being done in the video which in and of itself is cool is that you know it's [TS]

  a real thing but the really cool thing I thought and really interesting is that [TS]

  the video is narrated by Jeremy Clarkson [TS]

  Next Top Gear host who's who so yeah you know when I had a couple of had a drink [TS]

  since taking punches producer it happens you know what it does happen it does I i [TS]

  dont know im I still feel like with that story and then they had that what they [TS]

  call in England they sacked him because he punched his producer you know I say [TS]

  though you don't know I don't know the full story on that there are times when [TS]

  it's somebody need to punch somebody does [TS]

  you do not know what he was driven to you don't know but it makes for a great [TS]

  video though because obviously part of what made that whole thing sensational [TS]

  is that Top Gear is a well-deserved in much beloved TV show and this video is [TS]

  sort of done with that same sort of style and you noticed has its not just [TS]

  because he's hosting it just has that same sort of feel and touch and it [TS]

  really it's something I never even considered when I found out that Amazon [TS]

  had won the bidding to to get Jeremy Clarkson to do it I guess it's still as [TS]

  yet unnamed [TS]

  car show for prime video or whatever they call their video service for [TS]

  subscribers when they did that I thought ok so now they're going to get the what [TS]

  used to be called top gear they're gonna get it and you have to be a prime to [TS]

  subscribe to see it I'm looking forward to seeing it didn't occur to me that [TS]

  they would take use of that and sort of turned him into lake in in the House [TS]

  spokesperson and the same video team in to be able to do that which is [TS]

  incredibly valuable because it's so good it's so well done [TS]

  put the video on the show nerd but it's it's really really good it's not just [TS]

  interesting like wow they have a robot that can fly to the airdrop packages at [TS]

  your house which is a cool idea but I really think it's fascinating to me now [TS]

  that Amazon has the Top Gear host and production team as an in-house marketing [TS]

  trend really up to the value of their stuff there's a there's a rumor what [TS]

  their Amazon Prime video mike is now coming to the Apple TV [TS]

  yeah yeah why should hear if we prepared for the show to talk about that for an [TS]

  hour job that at the end long story short somebody wrote Amazon to complain [TS]

  about the fact that there's no prime video app on Apple TV and they got an [TS]

  answer there didn't seem to go through like any sort of official channels but [TS]

  somebody's Amazon repair concerned that we're working on it which if true is [TS]

  good to know but I took that with it [TS]

  huge grain of salt because it did not seem to come from it it just didn't seem [TS]

  like somebody who was just like well like you know we have been on it we [TS]

  asked him if we have an iPad app I guess where how that could happen but anyway [TS]

  who knows I guess it's more hopeful than we've had before so it would be nice if [TS]

  there's good stuff on Amazon [TS]

  primary video with Jeremy Clarkson sup attention has two that's pretty alright [TS]

  john thank you very much thank you talk to you soon but [TS]