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137: ‘Peak Rumor Season’, With Special Guest John Moltz

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0:00:00we've got rumors to talk about I love rumors and then this is you know what I

0:00:04was thinking man this is sort of like I think this is the the the fall season

0:00:09here that you know november december this is like peak summer season because

0:00:14nothing's coming out soon but there are you know Apple must be working on stuff

0:00:19for next year and beyond and so now is the time when the rumors start coming

0:00:24out the big one i've seen that one it's got everybody in a tizzy is you know

0:00:31which one it is right

0:00:32yes which one is it it's the headphone jack exactly right

0:00:38very add the remaining is roomy Jack rate yes so the standard 3.5 millimeter

0:00:46had contacted been in every device that I'm aware of for a long time is

0:00:54supposedly says one report who had originally aired let's see what the

0:01:02Japanese rumors overrated some chatter of well-known to rumors I but published

0:01:09so MacRumors right it's Mac or Dakara which MacRumors described as often

0:01:19reliable often well in this scheme of like publishing these things from the

0:01:27supply chain in a jet often reliable if you say it with a straight face is

0:01:32actually a high praise

0:01:34I praise but it was it was not sourced from DigiTimes rate know it's there

0:01:43their road they didn't get it from digital know their report cited a quote

0:01:48reliable source and I guess so it says here's here's MacRumors translation of

0:01:56it or or interpretation I guess I should say the report citing a quote reliable

0:02:01source end quote

0:02:02claims the new same sized lightning connector will support Leighton equipped

0:02:07and Bluetooth headphones and have a DAC or a digital to Audio Converter for

0:02:13backwards compatibility with wired headphones using a standard 3.5 metres

0:02:21stereo jack a 3.5 millimeter to lightning adapter would be required so

0:02:31they I guess the gist of it the way I interpret this and I don't think it's

0:02:34entirely clear the way I just interpreted is that they're not

0:02:37replacing the headphone jack with a new proprietary Jack they are simply getting

0:02:42rid of the headphone jack and you'll just have to plug in to the lightning

0:02:46adapter that's already there or use blues or use but I don't see why this

0:02:55report says that the new lightning connector has anything to do with

0:02:58Bluetooth doesn't seem like no idea and I think that's a mistake that's what I

0:03:05mean about it being a little confusing I think what they mean is that you you

0:03:08know your options will be to either plug in headphones with a lightning connector

0:03:13a be used a new dog old that doesn't exist yet you're sticking in lightning

0:03:21port and then you'll stick regular headphones into this dongle or see

0:03:25you'll switch to bluetooth headphones or D throw your phone in the river and go

0:03:36back to blackberry I guess the other option would be to this will be a great

0:03:42time for blackberry to come out and proclaimed their support for the 3.5

0:03:46millimeter this is another option and I love it I really do I deeply enjoy it

0:03:54when other people small children do this on let's say a train or something is you

0:03:58could just use the speakers

0:04:00when the device that's perfect

0:04:04pumped up to a loud enough volume 22 over you overtake the center of the jet

0:04:11airliner that you're right and who need headphones so but the whole of the whole

0:04:20thing so this this is portrayed as which you know the first of all this is not

0:04:26the first time we've heard this rumor well and I think this this Louis bloated

0:04:31also break before the the six remember correctly I think it started it started

0:04:39though it when lightning debut because lightning has always supported audio

0:04:43late you can go and you can buy they exist today in fact that Phillips

0:04:48there's a peres Phillips ones here in this screenshot MacRumors has you can by

0:04:53lightning connector had fun today

0:04:56existing lightning port can support obviously you can do that right now

0:04:59today that's not like anything I think that what they're saying so in terms of

0:05:04what they're saying about this so-called iPhone seven having a new bike next

0:05:09generation lightening jack

0:05:12you know the female side would be the that includes a digital audio converter

0:05:19I don't know though why the dongle wouldn't do the digital audio conversion

0:05:24but anyway that's what they're saying so I think right now so this is where I

0:05:29could be wrong I could be definitely wrong about this this could be something

0:05:31that maybe the dongle would work on our existing iPhones but I think what

0:05:35they're saying is that to use standard headphones through the dongle and

0:05:41lightning would require this iPhone seven lightning port because it would

0:05:45include the digital audio converter inside but otherwise I don't think

0:05:49anything any of this is new you know it the fact that lightning can handle audio

0:05:53isn't definitely not know you can buy these headphones today and using on your

0:05:56phone today and that the rumors started as soon as that became clear that why

0:06:02else would they do it unless they planting a tree with the 3.5 at some

0:06:06point

0:06:09it was also there is also a smaller Jack than 3.5 million her check that used to

0:06:16be used in japan for years because I remember I thought when I was in Japan I

0:06:22accidentally bought a pair of headphones to go home and went to put them on my my

0:06:28Walkman or whatever it was great but when I think the reason the reason it

0:06:36was exactly that was that was smaller so smaller devices so many jokes but I

0:06:47can't I can't I can't I can't I can't think of any folks stem from the now

0:06:55there's nothing nothing to be said anyway people are some people are very

0:07:02very upset about this they are and and however much controversy there was when

0:07:10Apple switch from 32 30 pin dock connector to the lightning adapter and

0:07:16people accused Apple of you know doing this just to get people to buy more more

0:07:21everyday out that it was a money grab this is the accusation that it was a

0:07:25money grab I think you and I have talked about this multiple times that it was a

0:07:28money grab and they wanted to sell new cables they want you to buy new docs

0:07:34they wanted you to buy their little I think it was $19 the little just the

0:07:39little adapter that lets you switch 30 pin thing into a lightning I think it

0:07:44was nineteen wasn't that much of what that was at the head from price know yet

0:07:48that was maybe it was twenty headphones are something like thirty yeah and I i

0:07:58laugh about this I laughter people are upset and I but I understand the

0:08:02frustration you know I just laugh at how how hard people take this well yeah so

0:08:09the the thing that it's portrayed as tradeoff for his is getting a thinner

0:08:14iPhone right yeah that's the only so it and everyone says I don't want to arrive

0:08:23which I mean I don't need a thinner iPhone but in fairness you haven't seen

0:08:30you might you might really like him well and as home and here it is I looked it

0:08:39up on the stored on apple.com the lightning to 30 pin adapter cable just

0:08:43the little adapter right now it sells for $29

0:08:46$29 yeah and the lightning to 30 pin adapter that's more of a cable is thirty

0:08:58$39 it's got a point to meter cable so it's it's a rather twenty centimeter

0:09:07cable and that's that

0:09:10$39 I do get the reservation it does seem to me it seems very clear to me and

0:09:22it just seems funny that always comes up when you're on the show that there's a

0:09:25sort of aspect of you know let's spend Tim Cook's money that these things

0:09:32should be cheaper and that whatever money they make from them they would

0:09:37gain and good well by making them if not giving them away

0:09:41you know coming as close to giving them away as they can't that if they sold

0:09:45them at cost and presumably it costs a lot less than $29 to make this dongle

0:09:52would they would make up for it and goodwill

0:09:57they're not interested in that

0:09:59well I think maybe he would make them the pill easier to swallow you know I

0:10:05don't know that people would be completely if you're if you're heavily

0:10:10invested in in that jack and i think you know me I think some people are I'm not

0:10:14I wouldn't say that I am particularly I do have many headphones that i wear with

0:10:20that jack but I mostly use them for podcasting and so I put him into a

0:10:25microphone and uni mostly and I'm you know I'm not an audio file so I mostly

0:10:37use Apple's headphones and when I'm using my iPhone and I and then I also

0:10:42have a pair of Bluetooth headphones that I use for exercising so it wouldn't

0:10:49really changed my life that much it's a it's just I just find it a fun thing to

0:10:53talk about on the show because it is it's such a petty little thing in the

0:11:00grand scheme of things if you really think about it right it's just not that

0:11:05big a deal in the life of a iPhone user but there's so many like implications of

0:11:12a change like this that makes it fun to think about the tradeoffs on Apple's

0:11:16part so let's tackle some of these applications of the audio jack so one of

0:11:23them like you said that the idea would be that would be motivated to do this

0:11:28because it would allow them to make the device dinner that at this point 3.5

0:11:34millimeters just for the court alone is significant you know it's it's it's a

0:11:41constrained given them

0:11:42millimeter thickness of these devices obviously there's existent proof that

0:11:47they can make dinner devices that still have that port like the the iPod Touch

0:11:51the current generation iPod Touch is like a fool millimeter thinner than the

0:11:57iPhone success as a really yeah ok actually both here but their cases

0:12:04almost like it's like the iPhone 6 assets like 6.9

0:12:09touches like 6.1 and still has a standard audio port and the the iPod

0:12:19Nano is even thinner still and still has the regular audio port but as some

0:12:29people on Twitter of pointed out like if you look at the iPod Nano

0:12:33the fall link that takes the depth that the headphone jack has to go into the

0:12:40court said it doesn't actually go underneath the screen at all there's a

0:12:45good chance you know so it's not it's not like it also has to fit underneath

0:12:49the screen where I think it does on the iPhone so then this is definitely it's

0:12:54certainly one of the angles I don't think it means that they couldn't make

0:12:58an iPhone seven and keep the jack it's just probably makes it easier it's one

0:13:04less thing to put in and I think I think that the depth of the the jack is

0:13:08actually more of a problem than the thickness of the fact that the standard

0:13:11audio port has to go so far in this show could be torn apart a political attack

0:13:21ad against there's not a lot like what what do you think would happen if they

0:13:32said we're taking out there taking out the jacket because we want to put more

0:13:37battery

0:13:39that would be hosting thing for them to say so we take out yeah we take out the

0:13:45audio jack and you'll get another hour and a half of battery be interesting way

0:13:53to justify instead of saying it's going to be even thinner right because saying

0:13:58that it's even thinner really only seems to satisfy Apple's internal obsession

0:14:03with device then this and and it could well be that it's more than just the the

0:14:11taste of johnnie I've and his team and whoever else is there that they want

0:14:14these devices that they value thinness over the battery life that could be

0:14:18gained by just making the device thicker or keeping it then this of the instead

0:14:25of making it a stint as they possibly can to get the same battery life as the

0:14:28previous generation what if they kept the same thickness as the device

0:14:34thicknesses the previous generation but use their newfound ability to

0:14:38miniaturize and then things to just create more room for a better rate

0:14:42that's that's the that the thing that some people a lot of people seem to want

0:14:46to do

0:14:46could well be that Apple has internal marketing like data like you know that

0:14:55suggests if not proves that given the choice in a store people will choose the

0:15:01thinner device and that there may be as much as many of us think that people

0:15:06would be happier with the thicker device that gets longer battery life album

0:15:10might have some knowledge to know that at the point of sale people are going to

0:15:14buy the center line and I would expose them to hell yeah I wouldn't be

0:15:19surprised by that really because I don't think it's not like this for me anymore

0:15:24about it that used to be the one thing when I looked it years ago when I looked

0:15:27at Android phones I thought wow it was really cool to have a phone numbers that

0:15:31Samsung has one you know it's one of the galaxies it's not the flagship is the

0:15:37flagship one has higher specs and can't be that then but there's one of the

0:15:41current galaxy phones somebody I saw somebody claim is only five point nine

0:15:45millimeters

0:15:46so Samsung's you know in a race first in this too and it don't forget that these

0:15:51are the sort of decisions that when Apple makes now for next year if they

0:15:56stick to the current plan of using the same hardware for two years

0:15:59you know basic hardware profile for two years with a seven next year and then

0:16:04the 7s the year after that that if they make a mistake here and go thicker and

0:16:11Samsung goes way thinner and it proves to be ahead they could be the same sort

0:16:16of thing that happened with larger screen sizes few years ago where larger

0:16:19screen sizes clearly were selling phones and you know there is even we have is

0:16:26one of those rare things that we have proof of because it came out in the

0:16:31court case one of the court cases with Samsung weather is like an email I think

0:16:35might have even been from Schiller himself but it was certainly from some

0:16:37of the insurers team there was an internal email at Apple that said people

0:16:43some people want what we don't have a larger screen front and they can't just

0:16:49scramble and come out with a new phone next month with a bigger screen these

0:16:56things are you know have to your lead times maybe even longer so if Apple's

0:17:03you know thanks

0:17:04or maybe even knows that then the cells and that they certainly know that

0:17:07Samsung is capable of making devices that are then if not other companies too

0:17:12they may not wanna you know they may not wanna do this even if they also know

0:17:18that customer satisfaction wise after they've already purchased the phone if

0:17:22it had the longer battery life of a thicker thing people would be a peer

0:17:26yeah it's just strange though to see lots of people saying that they don't

0:17:35want something that obviously this is presented as you gonna get rid of this

0:17:40in order to get that if they came out just said it was gonna be a thinner

0:17:43phone you probably go slightly different reaction without the jack but it seems

0:17:51like they used to be like here are the things that they might be coming in the

0:17:55next iPhone and everyone would be pretty excited about those things

0:17:59with the exception of lighting and i feel like i feel like i don't i don't

0:18:05necessarily know I don't feel like I'm that excited about dinner phone at this

0:18:08point and I you know we've had this discussion before too I would rather

0:18:13have a smaller font yeah it may not just be about genocide less so I think I say

0:18:17it could be it could help and maybe that would help with battery life too but

0:18:21there are other factors to like even if you could just keep this just concede

0:18:25for the moment that they could go as thin as they want to and still keep the

0:18:28other jack that whatever they're they're planning for for the iPhone seven it

0:18:33could accommodate 3.5 millimeter headphone jack

0:18:36I don't know if that's true but let's just conceded for the moment it's also

0:18:40another point of you know potential water damage

0:18:45you know one less port is one lens one less thing to have to try to protect

0:18:52against you know water getting in there having two ports definitely takes more

0:19:00space inside the device then one part that does both things I mean that's just

0:19:05mean that just like an obvious fact so in other ways other than tennis in my

0:19:11you know like you said batteries one life who knows what else they could use

0:19:14that password but they could certainly you know they certainly take advantage

0:19:17of every bit of space that they can't yeah

0:19:23I don't know what the problem is like she's charging I mean everybody's right

0:19:28but weird and I do this i do this sometimes report that charging desk and

0:19:34listening to something and having to find a dongle yeah that nobody really

0:19:43wants a dog like a wide after dongle might be a good idea would be an even

0:19:49even if you're on board late on the one hand if you wanna stick with your

0:19:53beloved old pair of headphones that has a 3.5 millimeter jack then you need a

0:20:00dongle you know to go 3.52 lightning and it can't be a tiny little dog because we

0:20:08know how long the adapter is on the headphones and looking at it right now

0:20:16yeah that's you know at a minimum like it's you know that that small so you got

0:20:25this thing sticking out your found plus the actual cable itself from the

0:20:29headphones so it's you know

0:20:33but even if you're willing to go on board with the new pair of lightning

0:20:38headphones which presumably Apple would ship with the device and other companies

0:20:42are you making if you want to charge in use at the same time do you still need

0:20:45an adapter so that you could have to lightning inputs 14 charging one for the

0:20:49headphones and I remember that would work

0:20:53yeah unless you have inductive charging right and I fully concede one of the

0:21:00things this is just one of those things where i just i just i just like to sit

0:21:03here and think about it from Apple's perspective and I don't really have

0:21:06strong feelings one way or the other

0:21:08like me trying to justify it and thinking of the reasons Apple might

0:21:12wanna do it isn't me saying I think this is a great idea I'm not sure I think

0:21:18it's interesting because there's so many critics but they're needing to charge or

0:21:22wanting to charge while you listen with headphones is absolutely positively a

0:21:26real thing I see my son doing it all the time his device devices seem to all live

0:21:31in like the best charge they never seem to get put him in the yellow

0:21:36yeah I think I mean so even just since this rumor popped up I've spotted Jonas

0:21:46at least twice using his I think we both sides of his iPad but using his iPad

0:21:51with headphones watching video while it was charging so I fully concede that is

0:21:56not just something people want to do it something people would have to do black

0:22:04to go out black screen of a dead I bet I so I don't know how Apple solves it may

0:22:12be the answer is of course that they don't and that this whole story is

0:22:15bullshit and they're they're not getting rid of the separate and that's the end

0:22:19that's the other thing that's kind of ridiculous about this thing because it

0:22:23has really been widely discussed and it is all based off this one this one

0:22:30source

0:22:31so inside Apple there's somebody you know some team that clearly already

0:22:36knows the answer to this I think that this is one of those decisions that

0:22:39already been made and they're they're they're laughing 12 either way they're

0:22:47laughing like if there is an iPhone if there is a regular good old-fashioned

0:22:533.5 millimeter headphone jack on the iPhone 78 sure the team inside Apple is

0:22:57laughing at all the third thought that we're all putting into this and all the

0:23:01consternation out there on the web and if there's not they're they're least

0:23:05chuckling at the people who say there's no way they would do this it would make

0:23:09everybody to furious there are no stranger to controversy so it's it's

0:23:19funny though because it is clearly controversial and it's like there's

0:23:22something about our poll that makes them on you know one of the ways that Apple

0:23:26is clearly different than other companies is there the only company

0:23:29however seems to face these things I never see I for one thing the other

0:23:35companies tend to keep legacy ports around almost as long as they can as

0:23:41opposed to looking for a way to get rid of legacy ports that look for a way to

0:23:44keep them going as long as they can they don't want to lose that one extra sale

0:23:49and and then even when they do I don't know how they escaped the criticism like

0:23:54Android phones iPhones have gone from an endless if you for the sake of an

0:24:01argument if you just count the iPod as I guess sibling predecessor to the iPhone

0:24:08they've gone through two ports ever 30 Penn starting with the original iPod to

0:24:15know the first the first one under fire we're alright so it was the same on the

0:24:20fire under 30 pin end but it was only Firewire and other but will cut you know

0:24:25you needed a new cable so we'll call that we know it was a no the original

0:24:31iPod was fire on both ends

0:24:33oh my god you're right yeah you're so there are alright so here's the changes

0:24:40they've gone through from including all the hype

0:24:42the one with the first was firewire firewire then they went 30 pin FireWire

0:24:47and then it was 30 pin to USB but if you just made like a clock radio that had 30

0:24:54pin think it would work with whatever your iPod was and then lightning other

0:25:00devices like USB went through I forget the names of them but there's like sort

0:25:05of the thicker mini USB then there's the thinner new micro USB there is like many

0:25:12USB Micro USB and now yes BC which is nice because it's like lightning and you

0:25:19can you can't put it in upside down it works both directions for some reason

0:25:23when they switch they don't get they don't get the controversy yeah that

0:25:28obviously to make me laugh because people in the end result would make fun

0:25:31of Apple for reports mentioned yeah and it's like i i I know some people are

0:25:40saying but Apple's only one who tries to gouge you for $29 for an adapter but you

0:25:49know in short order you can go to you know Amazon or monoprice for example and

0:25:57get high-quality adapter thats not made by Apple for a reasonable price so I

0:26:01mean you can make the transition and that's there is the only places that

0:26:05people on a hundred by cables and stuff like that so the fact that Apple's first

0:26:10party adapters and all girls are seemingly zorba nightly price doesn't

0:26:17really make things worse for anybody is sensitive to that just goes to Amazon

0:26:20Amazona some obscure company that nobody's heard of it it might be

0:26:30slightly cheaper here USB adapters my because because the other ones that the

0:26:35other ones somebody has to license from Apple license one end from Apple right

0:26:40but there's other

0:26:41it still gets down to the point where it's ok you know we're still talking

0:26:44about like 10 books there's other hassles involved though like that I've

0:26:48an end all reasonable I mean these are all reasonable complaints their actual

0:26:51truth you know that the actual truth are obvious

0:26:54but like the problem we're like in a two-person household where personae has

0:27:04one point they both you both have phones with the same port and in one of you

0:27:09upgrade to a new one and has a different port and now all the various places like

0:27:13in that kitchen or wherever you might share a little charging station now you

0:27:18can't just use the same cable and you've got to have two of them everywhere or

0:27:22you know divide up the territory fifty 50 doesn't matter whether it's lightning

0:27:27in 30 pin or a USB Micro USB and USB see it's the same problem but somehow this

0:27:33only becomes like a public without I don't get that either I guess it's

0:27:45because I don't know I mean I guess you you could feasibly have a choice if

0:27:51you're on Android you could have a choice to get to a phone that has the

0:27:55connector that you click it seems like an awful way to make a decision to buy

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0:33:03something is true about casper mattresses you know i mean i mean

0:33:08there's always a stories about Katniss tags on the matches that's not even true

0:33:11it's only for retailers and it seems that you know like sometimes as podcasts

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0:33:30that's a real drag yeah yeah it really is sort of interesting things right idea

0:33:35would be that they don't want to do you know the rules are in place for good

0:33:38reason because they don't want to have a thing where they're like paying somebody

0:33:42to go on a show and say you put all my money and wealth and you know they can

0:33:51have that lets go back to the if we go back to the audio port then I wanted to

0:33:56say this that's the idea of let's just say in theory that Apple could either

0:34:01like a month after the new iPhone seven and it doesn't have the headphone jack

0:34:06if they just have like a fish bowl and the Apple store where you can go in and

0:34:12and and just say hey I need it I knew one another one of those adapters and

0:34:17then you know did just give you one you know that not only would you get one for

0:34:21free with your iPhone that you could just go to the Apple store in like two

0:34:25or three of them that is give you like you know reasonable number of and then

0:34:29after that like like after you know the holiday season's over something like

0:34:35that they just settle in and sell them for

0:34:38I mean I think the cheapest they could possibly sell them for 995 doesn't seem

0:34:43to me like they would sell for us but that's pretty cheap

0:34:45why don't they do that why don't they just give them away like Hindi kami I

0:34:52think well there's two there's two explanations one is the cynical one

0:34:58which is that they really do

0:35:00purposefully sell them for an exhibit in price because they want the money and

0:35:06the two by two explanations are necessarily at odds with each other

0:35:09there could be different groups within the company that agree with both of them

0:35:13so they could be like a team cocoa bean counters Jeff Williams operations side

0:35:19that says we can sell these for $29 that would be great because we can make them

0:35:24for $3 the other side the product marketing site might be sort of a if we

0:35:33don't make it painful sufficiently painful to make this transition even

0:35:40knowing that there's a cost to our image because people will see a money-grubbing

0:35:46and purposefully making unknowing port decisions on the iPhone every year but

0:35:52if we don't do this if it's not sufficiently painful it won't motivate

0:35:55people to move to the new thing cuz I think about it with just the fact that

0:36:02there already are lightening headphones out there but it's so far as I can tell

0:36:06very few people use them and and there aren't as many as I guess I would like

0:36:11I'm assuming they're more expensive haven't liked yeah I guess they have to

0:36:17be licensed I don't know they would have to be rain I think I mean the only thing

0:36:27that I think that's probably true in the switch from thirty Pinto lightning cause

0:36:35I think like it was just a legitimate Leah better experience that the only

0:36:43thing that is kind of a nicely some of this is because we don't really know the

0:36:47whole story

0:36:49happening but it later but the charging situation is not really a better

0:36:53situation that is not a better experience so I guess you have a

0:37:01question asked is what would make this configuration better cause I really do

0:37:06think Apple would only this is only going to happen about the things that

0:37:09overall this is better in some way

0:37:11yeah and I don't quite sure I see it especially with the charging in

0:37:16listening at the same time we may or may not have just spent the first hour of

0:37:23the show time talking about something happening that I don't even think is

0:37:27good I just think that it could because it just sounds like something Apple

0:37:31would do what I say when I blogged about it they're just I just saw it just

0:37:35sounds like so appellee

0:37:37gonna get rid of this things that it seems absurd to get rid of and knowing

0:37:42that is going to make some people very angry and make everybody else at least

0:37:46mildly annoyed

0:37:47yea well they've been doing it for you know they've been doing it since the

0:37:52iMac yeah the other the other hole angle on this and I seem to people on Twitter

0:37:57we absolutely have to mention it can go on without doing it would be that the

0:38:02out the idea that maybe Apple expects people to switch to wireless headphones

0:38:07and then maybe even the default ones that will ship with the iPhone will be

0:38:11wireless and that yes you know if you want to use your old headphones you can

0:38:18do it with the dongle if you want to get a new pair of lightning hit from you can

0:38:21do it without a dongle but that the default experience will switch from .

0:38:25you know connected had found two wireless and they would they would have

0:38:31to show they would have to ship bluetooth headphones with every every

0:38:34iPhone possible I mean it's certainly those would be more expensive my

0:38:41experience with wireless headphones though not perfect I I do like it for

0:38:48some things I I do like it when I go jogging

0:38:51really is there's no configuration of you know even with even know even

0:38:56counting connecting it to an iPhone but just connecting it to like the smallest

0:39:00iPod iPod nanos that they ever made or whatever the small is no way exercising

0:39:10a wire Terriers is it eventually ended you gonna get tangled up in it so that

0:39:19it's great but there's some problems with it where the latency is engraved it

0:39:24certainly isn't the instantaneous latency of a wired connection you know

0:39:29like when you hit hit the clicker on your your thing to pause it takes a

0:39:33moment and it's noticeable that it doesn't cause the audio immediately yeah

0:39:38it's a fraction of a second for me now after I updated the firmware on these

0:39:43ones that I have but it's definitely noticeable every time I know that every

0:39:48single time because I'm you save you know I don't know a lifetime of thinking

0:39:52there soon as I hit pause pause I mean it was true even in their Cassetta yeah

0:39:57did the beats skip over or certainly starter every once in a while and then

0:40:05I've got these Plantronics ones that I like well enough they're fairly

0:40:09comfortable and they stay on rural but yeah I mean I try to several really

0:40:15cheap Bluetooth headsets and they were well I was really trying to find

0:40:19something that would work with the watch is I want to be able to run leave the

0:40:23house with just wearing just the white headphones and the cheap ones just did

0:40:29not too much way too much skipping it wasn't a good experience like the ones

0:40:35which are much better but still every once in a while you can skip mostly much

0:40:40more with the watch the new phone but even so I think I've gotten a couple ya

0:40:47wanting to go and you know if I could just put if I could have a copy of

0:40:52overcast on my watch and have the actual tell us overcast or even I would even

0:40:58maybe even go back to a podcast player if it was impossible for third party

0:41:01but if I could have the podcasts on my watch and leave the house with nothing

0:41:06but the watch and Bluetooth headphones that would be fantastic

0:41:11any any possible way of carrying the phone thanks for running or something

0:41:16yeah but it's hard it's end and it's it's just gets kind of frustrating

0:41:23because that's one of the things that there was one of the first videos

0:41:26yeah I get in the first watch them all these people joining with headphones

0:41:33that's not really

0:41:36yeah and that's really been out so no and when you when you get to wireless

0:41:41that the pairing process no matter how much effort they put into it is nowhere

0:41:44near as seamless as the parent process of a wired pair of headphones right out

0:41:49of this one stick it into this one and your paired whereas if your wireless

0:41:53headphones are normally paired with your iPhone but you want to just leave and

0:41:57param you know have it with their watch you've gotta go get what you can do I

0:42:03think you have to do it on the phone right over the phone and launch the

0:42:06Apple watch out and parent from there then it's unpaired from yeah it's I

0:42:12don't know it just seems to me like to make it to make that work and make it be

0:42:16the default experience that we use for headphones seems like it's not there and

0:42:21latency thing and then the skipping and stuff like that is definitely an issue

0:42:24amy has a pair that she bought I forget what brand they were but she just went

0:42:29to the wire cutter and bought there here's our recommended pair of Bluetooth

0:42:35headphones and she got judges got those and she she was mad she wanted part

0:42:44Marco to do it Wireless said that she was very upset because they were not

0:42:48good I think what happened is I think that the wire cutter maybe values that

0:42:52cost a little bit more than quality then then we do because her schiphol up to a

0:43:01couple hundred bucks yet they weren't cheap that's the other thing it wasn't

0:43:05like it wasn't like it was here's what we recommend cuz it was super low cost

0:43:08it was

0:43:09was sort of a balance between cost and it might be twenty by where they were

0:43:16like through four thousand dollars you getting there was possible I do they did

0:43:30they would 200 bucks

0:43:32$299 a 249 something it felt like I this is that it felt like I as I was cashing

0:43:40out I bought them in Apple Store just look at him and i thought i buy these

0:43:44beats ones because of these have come out recently that you know they've come

0:43:48out and take him out this year so as I after the Apple acquisition it's not a

0:43:52very happily products like Apple has you know there's probably designed before

0:43:56and I mean they use micro USB which is real pros but for the charging but I

0:44:03figured if the beat ones don't work right with apple and I you know I say

0:44:07this knowing beaches reputation that the audio quality for beats headphones of

0:44:11any sort is not that great enabler you know overpaying for the brand but I just

0:44:18figured the beat ones don't work right which went well so I might as well just

0:44:23pay for it but pay $249 for peres these things really well and I $1,000 will the

0:44:34Plantronics one for like 90 bucks and they're they're they're okay but if the

0:44:40cheap ones from third parties costs $99 Apple really afford to well I say about

0:44:47some cheap ones I mean the other ones that I've got like 30 bucks they were

0:44:51really cheap wow and I don't recommend so I had to go so basically I'm trying

0:44:59to get the plant was crippled by myself and was satisfied enough to watch and I

0:45:11wanted to be able to do this

0:45:12running with headphones and I at the time back in the spring I wasn't sure

0:45:18how much I was gonna like the watch and so i didnt

0:45:23I didn't really want to dump a lot of money on this whole thing so I wanted to

0:45:29buy one in particular for the headphones I want to be as possible

0:45:32yeah I know I seems to me that Apple will have to improve the state of the

0:45:38art considerably to make that possible as this sort of default experience for

0:45:44how we're going to listen to stuff from our iPhones to make wireless and I say

0:45:49wireless Bluetooth because maybe the way that they would do it would be to use

0:45:53their own wireless I don't play well but you something other than Bluetooth

0:46:03simply because I don't I honestly don't think bluetooth is all they could I quit

0:46:08last month that you know the slogan of the Bluetooth you know consortium is

0:46:13just wait till next year but it really is they care it's been forever ever

0:46:17since every I ever since I first bought my first Bluetooth product it has always

0:46:23been you figure out finally get it working and you realize this isn't that

0:46:27great and it's kind of finicky and sometimes loses it loses its connection

0:46:32even when it's right next door of the thing it's supposed to be connected to

0:46:35and then you go and read about it and they're like you just wait till

0:46:38Bluetooth 2.0 is all these problems to come by now comes out you realize it has

0:46:43all these promising and they say just wait till Bluetooth 3.0 just wait to

0:46:47Bluetooth 4.0 with low-powered stuff like that but it's now they're saying

0:46:53whatever the next polluted this gonna solve these problems I mean I hope it

0:46:56does someday but I would be surprised I really would be surprised at all if

0:47:00Apple just goes proprietary on it and figured out their own short-range

0:47:04wireless networking thing

0:47:09networking is quite the right way to put it but you know wireless connector

0:47:13technology just do it on their own I don't know make my experience that with

0:47:18their place so I think that that more complicated though cuz I think airplay

0:47:25is who knows

0:47:27yes dependent on a lot of different things right now because it has to go

0:47:30through your network and right and because it's not just something that's

0:47:34no good wifi channels

0:47:37the other thing but it gets back to charging and he gets back to you know

0:47:41that there's a few using wired headphones and sharing the same port

0:47:45there's a problem or if you want to charge it there's a charging foul with

0:47:48wireless headphones too which is that your headphones can lose their battery

0:47:52power and that's it so if your default headphones are wireless now you're just

0:48:00adding yet another thing that you need to charge dearly like I understand the

0:48:05appeal of wow this is yet another thing that we don't need it I don't need a

0:48:09cable for any more to use but on the other hand you need now you need another

0:48:14thing to charge all the time and the beat the beat you have decent battery

0:48:19life it's about what I kind of a guess about the best I could have hoped for

0:48:23but it's not great I mean it's you have to you have to remember you have to

0:48:28remember to charge him on the plane from this thing about the Plantronics is when

0:48:32you turn it on and don't think it doesn't we should do it when he turned

0:48:37off but when you turn it on it tells you how charged it is it's the battery full

0:48:42well you can see actually its smallest icon anybody's ever created but when you

0:48:49pair them with their iPhone there's a little charge indicator on the menu bar

0:48:53for everything it's maybe just for the beat I thought I remember seeing that

0:49:01but I don't mind wasn't looking for it instead of a battery that stores on a

0:49:04little vertical battery and it is so small that I really I can't see it with

0:49:09my contact lenses in

0:49:11I can see it but I can't read my can't read how high it goes because I could

0:49:18just tell them there's a little rectangle there but it's not really even

0:49:25if I close my bad I just can't make it out of context and I have my glasses on

0:49:31I can take my glasses off and I can see that close but it's just way too small

0:49:35what's the indicator on your plan trying how does it get to suggest how much

0:49:42battery left when you turn it when he powered on we put him on parenting on it

0:49:46tells you talks with a voice yeah well what does it say that's just it says

0:49:57connected her headphones connected to beat the system gets a something on the

0:50:06beach just play a tone but the tone definitely doesn't change when you given

0:50:11the battery life anyway

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0:53:49better what I'm laying flat on my back hurts the diaphragm what's the other guy

0:54:01did another rumor that came out today and it doesn't make any sense does it

0:54:07make any sense at all to me so I don't even know how to write about you know I

0:54:10despaired if it doesn't make any sense

0:54:11better for the podcast I say it but I really mean that I actually mean that I

0:54:17find that having a podcast I listen to a blog some still best stuff to put on the

0:54:23to talk about on the podcast is the stuff that doesn't make any sense to me

0:54:26and this is a story MacRumors picked it up this is about the to see this with

0:54:32somebody I don't know who the sources here but somebody is saying that Apple

0:54:37is working on a next-generation iPad iPad MacBook Airs 1315 age that will be

0:54:48coming out 13 and 15 inch

0:54:53ascended link right now but I read it here this is ty want is information from

0:55:00Taiwan's economic daily news and what they say

0:55:10his album may be preparing to introduce a revamp MacBook Air at next year's

0:55:15World Wide Developers Conference according to Taiwan's economic Daily

0:55:18News enable Google Translate link to the original if Apple holds true to recent

0:55:22history would be there would be in June blah blah blah unclear whether an 11

0:55:32inch model will also be included I went to the Google Translate thing and it did

0:55:36seem like that's what the original article which was written in Chinese

0:55:39said that it did I mention the 11 engine and trans trying to read between the

0:55:45lines of the you know the Google Translate English it seem like they're

0:55:50saying that might happen or might not but they're saying 13 inch in 15 and

0:55:55sizes

0:55:56no no said other stuff about the specs or anything like that no news about

0:56:00whether they're ready or not this whole thing makes no sense to me what to know

0:56:05you know because to me starting even just with the naming of the eye of the

0:56:14MacBook you know the one and only has one USB seaport that charging and

0:56:19connecting peripherals

0:56:21which by the way might be a hint as to how much Apple cares about you having to

0:56:26you use some kind of why splitting dongle if you need to charge to listen

0:56:29to something at the same time but anyway the name of it

0:56:34the fact that it is thinner and lighter than a MacBook Air but they just call it

0:56:38the MacBook certainly suggests to me that the MacBook Air is you know only

0:56:43hang around because it can be sold cheaper than the MacBook and is the

0:56:47price of making a MacBook drops eventually the MacBook Airs doesn't make

0:56:53any sense to me that David doing next generation yeah yeah very strange and in

0:56:59different sizes

0:57:01year the only thing that made that would make sense to me would be if he is the

0:57:07only way to destroy make sense to me is if they're not talking about MacBook

0:57:10Airs but instead the devices they're talking about are in fact next

0:57:14generation MacBook Pros is then 13 and 15 inches 2 sizes and you know compared

0:57:23to the MacBook

0:57:26current MacBook Pros rather thick you know and it seems like Apple's sort of

0:57:32prefers aesthetically the teardrop profile for laptops and that that

0:57:38MacBook Pros the retina MacBook Pros in both sizes have the symmetric

0:57:43rectangular sort of profile simply because that's the best they could do at

0:57:47the time to get all the components in to drive the red the screen so my guess

0:57:51would be if there's any truth to the story it would be this would be my guess

0:57:55is that new MacBook Pros are coming next year and they might go back to go to

0:58:00like an error style teardrop profile yeah you go through that can replace era

0:58:08with perot it makes more sense yeah and I just think marketing wise I feel like

0:58:14the current situation where they've got three three types of MacBook even if you

0:58:22discount the pros and the heirs as the same but which size which i think is

0:58:27fair I don't think people are confused by whether they wanted 11 injuring 13

0:58:32inch air or 13 inch era 5950 13 inch Pro 15 inch pro I still think though that

0:58:42having to choose that the MacBook existing alongside there is just a

0:58:46little bit confusing and I know that there's a well do you want to read the

0:58:49screen or you know you want to have these super thin even more portable size

0:58:54but it just seems to me like it's all about what price points they can hit and

0:58:58right now they can't hit that $8.99 starting price with this MacBook and so

0:59:03their lives on until it you know ya is the is the Retina screen itself that I

0:59:13mean is that the price difference is that component that expensive I think so

0:59:20combined with the having a graphics card that can drive has a has to go you know

0:59:25has to really has a uniform graphics card perspective it really is more of a

0:59:29Forex difference in performance than a two X it's really the total number of

0:59:34pixels not just how many pixels are in an engine 12 I really do think it's

0:59:41definitely definitely expensive it doesn't seem like they would just

0:59:45continue the pro in rename it the year now that doesn't make any sense another

0:59:51logical possibility going through this but it doesn't that seems unlikely yeah

0:59:56because it's it you know you can quibble about some of Apple's product naming

1:00:00strategies and whether they make center now like the way that the

1:00:06third-generation iPad just became the iPad the iPad 3 right wasn't that when

1:00:14they did the iPad iPad 2 and iPad I think right now we have iPad 2 and iPad

1:00:24Mini for write something like there's no there's no hope and iPad Mini 3 on sale

1:00:30right so like when they decide to just numbers stuff forces you know like you

1:00:38know there's a whole thing is a little messy right iPads just get a number that

1:00:45increments even if the form factor stays the same but i phone you know get this

1:00:51ass every other year

1:00:52but nothing makes like nothing goes contrary to common sense which is what

1:00:59it would be if if the iPad if the MacBook Pro got rename the MacBook Air

1:01:05it so that doesn't get heavier than the regular MacBook Pro to me says this is

1:01:15more powerful and therefore it's a little heavier yeah we're zaire says

1:01:20this is lighter I also think it also makes sense to me because something like

1:01:25what they intend to call it and marketing is exactly the sort of thing

1:01:29that whatever the sources in Taiwan who told them this would have no access to

1:01:33ever read because they're you know that's just the sort of thing that

1:01:38doesn't that really doesn't leak out of Cupertino because indeed no reason for

1:01:42it they just know the code name for it

1:01:46companies in Asia does know something like sixty eight or something like that

1:01:52yeah so what's the current so that the current difference between the air and

1:01:58the Pro is mostly is the retina display and it's actually very complicated it's

1:02:06a really like if you just had to buy one right now today is to me a very

1:02:09complicated decision so aesthetically the Retina screen is the biggest

1:02:14difference in 20 if you really want to read the screen then you can get the

1:02:17regular MacBook but they're even though it's cheaper is faster as has higher

1:02:23performance wasn't where I guess

1:02:29never i'd never looked at them and have a look at the MacBook Pro and interested

1:02:34buying one in years has been on the air for a while now so and I actually AM

1:02:44link recently been thinking I got mine has been this from 2012 so it's gonna be

1:02:51time to upgrade soon this seems like kind of a bad time to do it I think it

1:02:56probably is because I really don't think you want to buy you don't wanna buy

1:03:00another screen right whatever the performance gains would be there to know

1:03:06three years is pretty significant but it's why I think you could probably get

1:03:11by until they at least until you see what they come out here and I don't be

1:03:16irate because I don't want to get a pro and I feel like I somehow upgrade in

1:03:25next year's MacBook is going to be significant

1:03:27yeah you mean the just plain MacBook right and I i just feel I don't know why

1:03:33I know nothing I don't have any information about where I just know

1:03:37nothing in general but I know nothing about Apple's product plants I don't ask

1:03:42people stuff like that but just common sense why's it it I I'm almost certain

1:03:49that there be a new MacBook next year and it's probably going to be a pretty

1:03:52significant upgrade over last year's because a because last year's had a lot

1:03:55of very obvious flaws so there's low hanging fruit and how they can make it

1:03:59better and be it's the first generation of anything that Apple is almost

1:04:06certainly to be able to improve it one year over another it's it's only one

1:04:10products have been around for three or four revolutions

1:04:14where they might let it sit for 18 months between an update because it's

1:04:19you know they've they've gotten so good at doing blank that this this is good

1:04:24enough this is actually goes to be able to be appealing to customers for you

1:04:30know 18 months or even closer to two years so I don't know I think if they

1:04:38could if they could make the MacBook better next year and then maybe keep the

1:04:45same one that they were all started selling last year but dropped the price

1:04:49significantly introduced a new one that's better keep this one around at a

1:04:55lower price point

1:04:58get rid of the year maybe they can get rid of the air and especially to maybe

1:05:02if they could if they can make the throws the inner ear drops yeah right

1:05:08right maybe like the 13 inch or maybe the 11 inch air stays around just a hit

1:05:20that $8.99 price point whatever it is that well yeah it seems like the kind of

1:05:24thing that would be you know what we always calling educational alright

1:05:31that's something that you really have you have to go into the store and like

1:05:36asked to see the starting prices for the MacBook Air 11 inch started eight 9913

1:05:45it starts at $9.99 so who knows if the MacBook dropped that much year over year

1:05:51but it may be closed what it started now $12.99 yes I just loaded the page but I

1:06:01had to wait for Apple's animation to

1:06:06to load before I could find it $12.99 so yeah I really doubt this gonna go from

1:06:15$12.99 28 years so I guess the air gets another you know there's no but they

1:06:22haven't they haven't always been right but I think they can I think they could

1:06:26set up in a way where they don't emphasize that much in the way that they

1:06:30don't really emphasize very much the free iPhone 5 ass right that they give a

1:06:38lot of publicity to the to the new ones the MacBook and MacBook Pro and MacBook

1:06:43Air in the back

1:06:45yeah but for a long time they started i mean they started at $9.99 and there may

1:06:52have been given a point where they started like 1100 the laptops used to

1:06:57cost 5000 well yeah and it almost seems like I don't think they'd be adverse to

1:07:06going back to 1999 when they have sitting in the middle right that's an

1:07:13interesting point that maybe they could maybe they could get away with somebody

1:07:18comes in they only want to spend X amount you know let's face it their

1:07:26heart isn't really in the lowest possible price products

1:07:35although I mean I said I would say that the MacBook Air of all of them is the

1:07:42law of the lowest price ones is probably not such a bad machine now it's not bad

1:07:54get back to the whole argument we did you know how many times about hey what

1:07:59should I do with the next generation iPhone should they keep the same

1:08:02thickness it already so nation then and just miniaturize everything input more

1:08:07battery and extend battery life or should they make the device ever thinner

1:08:11and Apple tends to lean towards making it then air and lots of people wish that

1:08:16they would just make the battery life better

1:08:17that's exactly i mean bottom line putting the argument about this one USB

1:08:21port side I think that's ultimately the biggest complaint people have about the

1:08:27MacBook is that there was then enough and that they should have just kept

1:08:31making battery life better

1:08:33yea well really people still complain about the MacBook Air battery life is

1:08:39pretty well it is pretty good I guess but that they were there as somebody

1:08:45does not have a current went well and maybe we don't know how good you had it

1:08:49may be it may be even better if maybe it comes down to things like performance

1:08:52that they would go with this low power core an you know CPU they could have had

1:08:58you know just keep making the dunno just keep that form factor and just switched

1:09:02to a Retina display and keep making the performance better anymore I think that

1:09:07would people wanted was for them to do a retina MacBook Air looks I think it

1:09:13looks like they're never gonna do it this was talking about us I just don't

1:09:18see it yeah I mean I died but I think this is the colors would be interesting

1:09:28to know whether the Pro is going to go with like color options for grades based

1:09:36I would love to have space crayon yeah I don't want I don't cover it the MacBook

1:09:43at all because it's you know I want more around

1:09:47but I do covered the way that yeah it starts it starts with a kegs of RAM have

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1:12:54this week maybe I should have something to talk about how well it was about Star

1:13:02Wars no no no

1:13:06ok you know I know you don't want to talk about how do I know yes yes I don't

1:13:10know I know you don't want to talk about so I can do without talking spoilers

1:13:14yea well okay so do you have tickets idea I'll definitely and you know this

1:13:20is one where I really care and amy is sort of vaguely interested but not like

1:13:28me

1:13:29and I didn't know you had to pre-order I'm I'm the dad who no longer understand

1:13:34how movie's theatrical movies work you know me like I remember when I was

1:13:39younger my dad found out that movies for $5

1:13:42you know you like kids ticket they can believe it he just absolutely can't

1:13:47believe that finally costs $5 to go to a movie I'm like that now both with prices

1:13:53like Jonas Island to see spektr and I didn't know about this online ordering I

1:14:00doesn't make any sense to me it seems to me like if you want to go see I just

1:14:03assumed that if you want to go see Star Wars on opening weekend you gotta go you

1:14:07gotta drive somewhere and they get out and you go away in a big long line with

1:14:11lots of people and after waiting line you go see the movie but it turns out

1:14:15what you need to do is buy your ticket I didn't know this Amy did and really sort

1:14:19of saved my bacon sorry we are you saying you cannot buy tickets at no you

1:14:25can't think for opening again because you never gonna yeah I don't think

1:14:29you'll never get in unless they open up unless they surprise people by having

1:14:33more screenings of it then there publicizing in advance

1:14:38yeah they might do because that seems like that would be a mean yeah and

1:14:45although they might presale maybe have to figure out the second pre-sell day to

1:14:49get in on those I mean it seems as though it seems like it might before it

1:14:55even happens it might become the biggest box office opening weekend ever think

1:15:01it's gonna be used to be so I still so i think im out I don't have taken it yet

1:15:09well so I don't mind I my son doesn't like going to the movies that much like

1:15:16going out the movies that much and so I approached him with the idea

1:15:22and then when I showed him the trailer he was little more interested so I still

1:15:29haven't gotten like a firm commitment hands I'm not exactly sure when we would

1:15:34schedule this event so I feel I feel like rushing out buying tickets on an

1:15:41even footing yeah yeah I want to forget if there's I guess StubHub aftermarket

1:15:45forum like sporting event it seems crazy but I mean it's absolutely insane how

1:15:51hard it was and it was one of those things where I did it the first night

1:15:54that they went on sale at the right time and it really only I really I must say

1:15:57only because my wife are you gonna buy Star Wars tickets and I might be talking

1:16:01about and she explained to me and I immediately you know where and i think

1:16:05it's Fandango yeah yeah and it was like buying an Apple product when they first

1:16:11go on sale at their website was going down you know it was saying ridiculous

1:16:16things like that was the other thing like I could actually get on Fandango it

1:16:22was saying things like that the movie theater was didn't have any tickets

1:16:25available for a certain show and MR two minutes after they want us out so that

1:16:30can't be it can't be that they've sold out in two minutes and in fact it wasn't

1:16:34but it was like they did back and was just completely blown apart and then the

1:16:40worst of all any kind of thing like this one here in like a mad rush to buy

1:16:44tickets is when you you get through you get the tickets you want and you were

1:16:49going through the process of like saying and the Fandango and then they'd just

1:16:54says like an error occurred

1:16:57don't have tickets are I do I not have to get you don't know and it's hard to

1:17:02even check if you have tickets because their website is down and then you go

1:17:06and find out that no you don't have to get it was it was stressful but I do

1:17:11have tickets for think it's a 10 o'clock showing on Thursday the night before it

1:17:19oh yeah and I've already been told that I will be I will be responsible for

1:17:24digging Jones school graduations

1:17:30getting up early and staying up late and then I got I think I've Saturday

1:17:36afternoon matinee tickets seems like a better theater like a place with

1:17:41reserved seating so you have to set to set a ticket on Thursday night and

1:17:49Saturday trying to find that I was going to show you the one of the things that

1:17:55we don't win and angle was going down one of the images that one of the images

1:18:01that they showed was was honshu Falken something's gone wrong and it's like you

1:18:12got the goggles on welding the Millennium Falcon from Empire Strikes

1:18:19Back that's actually pretty funny yeah you know that's one of the things I have

1:18:26to rewatch haven't I have not really watch those films in a while at least

1:18:30ever since it was announced that hey disney's buying Star Wars I'm gonna

1:18:37reboot the franchise reboot but which i think would be terrible that would be

1:18:41like three cats on solo now but relaunch we're going to you know we're doing the

1:18:50the trilogy that everybody always wanted to take place after you know the one you

1:18:54loved I immediately just stopped watching all of them and I thought I

1:19:00just you know I wait and then whatever this movie actually comes out you know

1:19:04what family weekend and watch all the old ones I'm excited to do that

1:19:10including the pre yeah I think you have to include

1:19:14it's so hard you know that's an interesting thing it's I've said this

1:19:20before on the show where I've noticed you know and I i've i've Jonas has been

1:19:24watching them since he was ridiculously early young he's never been a kid who's

1:19:31sort of a very gentle kid in real life is not like you know get Remy in house

1:19:39sorta kid and so he you know dealing with like violent action movie even

1:19:46considering Star Wars is sort of violent has never caused him to like act up in

1:19:50ways and it's never you know he was afraid of the rancor and already did

1:19:54likewise in the long run out of the room

1:19:56yeah but he but he could handle that sort of thing to like you like so if

1:20:01they want to see the wampa but it wouldn't like keep him up at night or

1:20:06make him cry all it did is when he watched Empire Strikes Back he would

1:20:09just eat knew it was coming and he just ran out of the room and a sort of wait

1:20:15until he could hear that it was over and indeed run back and he was so we let him

1:20:19watch immorally the thing I noticed was that they all blur together form as a

1:20:24kid and maybe a you know I'm sure somewhere if he's listening Syracuse's

1:20:28really angry at me that I didn't really strategize this aspect of my father just

1:20:34let him watch what he wanted to but I might there and that was just can't see

1:20:39if if you've got unlimited access to Star Wars movies that you can watch in

1:20:44your home on a nice TV I just couldn't bring myself to not let him do it like

1:20:50it would have driven me not if when I was a kid if I could have had all the

1:20:54all the Star Wars you candy to not be able to do it so I don't do it and it

1:20:59blurred together and i notice when he played with his friends

1:21:02early like kindergarten first grade 8 impress me and I really enjoyed the fact

1:21:08that his his penis friends were really into Star Wars not quite to the way that

1:21:13you and I were back in the day you know the way that really Star Wars was

1:21:19everything to me everything you know

1:21:23seventy seven through eighty three or so

1:21:26it was the only thing that mattered it's not quite like that but they were you

1:21:31know it was more than just you know this week there in the star wars in the next

1:21:35week they're into something else they were really in stores for all but it all

1:21:38blurred together make they just didn't see to two trilogies where one was

1:21:44better than the other they just say it's all and I found it very hot yeah that is

1:21:50interesting and has never seen the prequels see you're just like seriously

1:21:55so you're probably have been nice well I started out like that I started out like

1:21:59no he's not gonna he's not going to see him and then you know we got through the

1:22:06history seen all the original movies a few times not relentlessly like I have

1:22:13but he seen them a few times and then he got really into the Clone Wars animated

1:22:18he was in for him that's really his Star Wars but how do you really like that a

1:22:24lot why would you let him watch the the Clone Wars but not watch the fight I

1:22:29think the Clone Wars damage is better than the pre cause I in many ways I

1:22:36agree but I feel like they're up a piece because it clearly in terms of the

1:22:41timing you know it's it's entirely within the realm of Anakin and obi-wan

1:22:47you know buddy cops yeah but so as well so when clone wars ended ok well maybe

1:22:57now in this law is the time to watch the prequels and I got what I got like a fan

1:23:04it I thought it was for me to do this at least get a cut out as much as Jar Jar

1:23:10as I possibly can and said I offer a nice that I get this week we can watch

1:23:14them and he said no you realize that this is this is a lot like it's a lot

1:23:21like a religious cult

1:23:25it like a year you're ready to not only in Georgia right well I don't think I

1:23:35don't think I'm Rhino jury in the world would imagine imagine how this could

1:23:40play out though over the decades where let's say he does agree to watch with

1:23:44you and you guys watch The Phantom Menace but you watch your fan attic and

1:23:52I'm not doubting that van natta cut is probably a better picture and must be it

1:23:57might be a really great experience if you've never seen the delucas yeah but

1:24:02then imagine like thirty years from now and and he's talking to somebody you

1:24:07know and similar age and they're like that charge is only in it for like five

1:24:13minutes why are you really is like in the background he's not even doing

1:24:20anything at all it was ridiculous antics I saw him if he didn't he didn't wanna

1:24:29Stephan when he was kinda done and then since like as I thought oh well after

1:24:35the the rebels thing you know he likes the intimate stuff maybe he'll watch

1:24:40rebels in there is no no it's like he's moved it's like he's moved on but he

1:24:46maybes might be getting he might be coming around to the movie though so I'm

1:24:51hoping yeah maybe he'll build bombard him with the marketing and it's right

1:25:00yeah and other kids at school right exactly but also largely partly due to

1:25:06Disney I feel like Disney yes how to yeah I get a good thing does he doesn't

1:25:12try to sell cigarette yeah he wasn't really he was in the hospital for a few

1:25:17days and he's fine now but when he was well he was sick in the last month or

1:25:26not this apparently still this month but when we started watching James Bond

1:25:34movies which he had not seen before

1:25:36had a night offered I think I'd off

1:25:39once or twice before but she was not here not he didn't really know enough

1:25:43James Bond to be interested but I think one of them just ended up being on the

1:25:47hospital TV and he started watching it and liked it and so we watched I think

1:25:52we serve three years of the Pierce Brosnan and then we watch both of the

1:25:58Timothy Dalton and Roger Moore now as far as we know as far as we got but he

1:26:03seemed like I mean like three weeks he seen great swath of James Bond that he

1:26:12had never seen before and you liked him and I think because he was sick so when

1:26:16we got home I showed I started showing him Casino Royale and I think that it's

1:26:26updated in sort of more realistic tone was not as comforting to him as the slow

1:26:35pace of the old of the older ones like being sick he wanted something that you

1:26:41know the the Roger Moore running around in pants up to his chest in the eighties

1:26:48was something that was kind of comforting yeah the Roger Moore ones and

1:26:51again they're probably in hindsight is time goes on there my least favorite but

1:26:56I'd love them though because they were the new ones when I was a kid

1:26:59yeah and it's funny because to me as a kid

1:27:04the rider morillon's looked crackled with newness like just like an unopened

1:27:10package from company in Oregon opened Apple product you know like they just

1:27:15seen ya you and that Connery one seemed old like in the way that like everything

1:27:21in Star Wars was meant to look like it's just ridiculous because it was only a

1:27:26difference of like 10 years but I could just see the difference you know I could

1:27:30see that this suits that Connery was wearing orange today you know whatever

1:27:35you 79

1:27:37whatever I was watching as I said look so sixties it looks ancient because it

1:27:42just seemed to me like I was a kid I was a ten year old kid the sixties seemed

1:27:46longer ago than they do to me today when your kids your sense of time is so acute

1:27:55sense of newness and currency and stuff like that and I just love them or want

1:28:01but even in hindsight now that the more ones look dated and I think probably are

1:28:05the most of any of them as they relate the ones that I feel great we're just

1:28:10the most faddish his outfits and reading the even the early AM even the earlier

1:28:18ones yeah I mean by the time it gets to the eighties it's just he's just so well

1:28:22but it's kind of a kind of painful I i kind of excuse it because I think the

1:28:29seventies were really odd decade where it would have been very difficult for

1:28:35them to do to dress him in a more timeless fashion like I feel like they

1:28:43you can get away with that in mind when it wasn't it wasn't cool yeah it was so

1:28:47it was so decidedly uncool

1:28:49just couldn't be done but overall the more ones to me they just go down like

1:28:53they just go down like ice cream on a hot day it's just it just you don't have

1:28:58to work to get into them at all

1:29:01yeah and they don't ask you to accept anything unpleasant you know there's

1:29:07there's like a nasty edge to the contrary ones it's certainly in terms of

1:29:11the content is nothing that really alarming and are not particularly

1:29:14violent because of when they were made

1:29:16at least in terms of what actually shown on screen but there's a certain nasty

1:29:20undertone 22 connery yes yeah yeah and more as you know was was much more

1:29:27relaxed I've always had to like talking about these I one of the things that

1:29:30with more he played it in a way that there was a sense that he knew he was

1:29:37James Bond and it already read the script and knew that he was gonna he

1:29:40knew that no matter what predicament he was in the moment

1:29:43hey I know where the third act and I'm in Iraq on the ocean

1:29:47you know it's all going to be ok he just always played it as a guy who had

1:29:56already read then to the script in newark is going

1:29:56already read then to the script in newark is going

1:30:00they're still i mean there's like those one of them and i cant rember wanna say

1:30:05for your eyes only but he slaps the female woman around and you know it's

1:30:15really kind of threatening to her and then you know and then of course she did

1:30:22and up online sacrifice yeah that's our nodes I don't remember what they do all

1:30:32they they blur together but it might be for your eyes only and I it's it's a

1:30:38scene that seems it would you would never really thought well you might have

1:30:41thought it would have thought twice about it but it would have felt natural

1:30:46for Connery's bond to do it and it really felt out of place with Roger

1:30:51Moore's not even not even at Roger Moore as an actor couldn't do it but it just

1:30:56didn't go along with the rest of how we played the character right just this

1:31:09just be clear here that you've parenting is such that you've never allowed you

1:31:15Sunday to see the ya day and draw the line

1:31:20Jar Jar Binks drawn the line that's too far

1:31:25James Bond / 18 ok violent yeah

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1:34:40what else we got we gotta wrap it up seems like I think I think I was

1:34:46actually thinking the man with the Golden Gun just to be clear yeah you

1:34:49know what you say that that makes sense that and and the one who was the other

1:34:53one dimension for your eyes only is the one that looks like it has incredibly

1:34:59cheap production values ya think that was when I get that the man with the

1:35:05Golden Gun and with a climactic fistfight between Roger Moore and

1:35:09revivals Herve villages whose who was a little person James Bond chasing a

1:35:18little person around the master bedroom money it's it's also got that one has

1:35:23has not only does it has a click racism played off from laughs because it's got

1:35:30bet that southern sheriff guy in like Thailand and some of the things that he

1:35:38says there was an odd decision to bring that guy back because people really the

1:35:53racist southern sheriff was so popular

1:35:56let's bring him back again what was he and what was the first one he was in the

1:36:04Paul McCartney theme song

1:36:07yeah yeah that they had to bring him back rub back when they bring people

1:36:14back it's always so i cant believe you don't have stars tickets are probably

1:36:20gonna regret that I'm regretting it already

1:36:24anything else try to think there's any other news this week I don't really

1:36:29think so little slut you read did you see the Fraser Speirs post now I have

1:36:37yeah yeah what he say he pulled up here

1:36:47approach replace your iPad very clever that's what I can tell he's going yeah

1:36:56the rest of it basically I should send I'm gonna put this in the show too I

1:37:04forget if I link to this on my side are not sometimes I have something to link

1:37:09to I forget a very good to a lot of its not really important but there was a

1:37:13thousand get exactly the same sort of thing it's a review of a gasoline

1:37:21powered internal combustion engine car from the perspective of a test loner it

1:37:32is so great

1:37:33gas car air conditioners so you can find it there ok this sounds like it's of of

1:37:40a similar angle yeah I mean I just have seen a lot of posts about things about

1:37:50whether or not intended for serious work and you probably discuss this many times

1:37:55but it seems it seems like there was something that we sell a long time ago

1:38:03and people are still trying to make this an argument for an artist note taker

1:38:09teacher you're going to really struggle without the native ability to use an

1:38:13apple pencil on the screen

1:38:17that's good that's really good how are you going to use it standing up you can

1:38:21it's very difficult to use the MacBook Pro

1:38:27dangerous to use 11 walking over now if you are a road warrior the MacBook Pros

1:38:35total lack of cellular connectivity options it's really good

1:38:44alright that's I don't think there's anything else you can think for another

1:38:55hour yeah now maybe not maybe next next time john wants people can get all the

1:39:03most they want on Twitter and an enzyme that at moths and then they can see your

1:39:12very fine website very nice very nice website very it's also very fine but

1:39:18it's mostly very nice website and your podcasts regular blood tests are you

1:39:30know what's got you be so yeah I know there's no there's no competing with now

1:39:34I got a theory I wanted to bring it up he was just on the show and I thought

1:39:38about it and i just didnt wanna I don't wanna make a comfortable but I did it

1:39:41has occurred to me that might be a member that movie The Prestige yeah yeah

1:39:49and I kinda don't want to spoil it for anybody who has watched the prestige and

1:39:53I'll just say they haven't seen in awhile to refresh my memory

1:39:56I think it might be a prestige type scenario you know it makes sense to

1:40:03people have seen the president or should I just because you're not going to do it

1:40:11and that alright that I want to know what you don't want Star Wars spoilers

1:40:16people don't want this right I do think I i should say this before I wrap up I

1:40:22keep forgetting to do stuff like this a lot of times I want to tell people who

1:40:26listen to so I want to talk to you I get so caught up talking to guess they

1:40:29forget to talk to the audience I want to talk to the audiences for a second then

1:40:32just say that I'm thinking about talking about Spector on an upcoming show it's

1:40:38not gonna quite be the old way that it was with Dan Marino a point-by-point

1:40:42review of the movie but i just want to talk about it with with that and i

1:40:46havent talked about Skyfall either but I might and it's so if you're thinking

1:40:53about you know if you want to listen to it while it's fresh you should talk to

1:40:56you and you've been procrastinating on going to the theaters to see spektr you

1:41:00should stop and you should do your homework for the talk shows to go see

1:41:04spektr and then no one will be mad when I actually do it and then they will join

1:41:13us I haven't decided that's possibility I mean I did go see it with Jonas

1:41:19possibility I haven't decided what to do it's got to be something different that

1:41:22would certainly be different but that would be different not impressive he's

1:41:27been on the show

1:41:28yeah it was pretty young we did too because it was back all the way back but

1:41:32damn time we wrote a check here in Philly desire to go and I came up and

1:41:41said hey you you and then he turned right to joining us and you were great

1:41:49on the podcast is one of my favorite episodes I've ever had it was a very

1:41:54nice guy and wasn't weird only did it very good that's nice

1:42:00see this thing I got one more thing you see the thing with the Amazon thing with

1:42:06the prime air-ground know put in the show knows it's they have they released

1:42:13a YouTube video and they've got showing their their their their latest

1:42:19generation actual working prototype Prime delivery drone how this was their

1:42:25cyber monday Thursday or I guess but it's it's kinda cool what's cool too I

1:42:31don't know how close they are to illegally being allowed to to actually

1:42:35use this but they're saying that what is actually shown in the video is not like

1:42:38that they've taken CGI anything it's an actual device doing what they're saying

1:42:42is being done in the video which in and of itself is cool is that you know it's

1:42:47a real thing but the really cool thing I thought and really interesting is that

1:42:52the video is narrated by Jeremy Clarkson

1:42:55Next Top Gear host who's who so yeah you know when I had a couple of had a drink

1:43:02since taking punches producer it happens you know what it does happen it does I i

1:43:11dont know im I still feel like with that story and then they had that what they

1:43:15call in England they sacked him because he punched his producer you know I say

1:43:21though you don't know I don't know the full story on that there are times when

1:43:25it's somebody need to punch somebody does

1:43:27you do not know what he was driven to you don't know but it makes for a great

1:43:32video though because obviously part of what made that whole thing sensational

1:43:35is that Top Gear is a well-deserved in much beloved TV show and this video is

1:43:42sort of done with that same sort of style and you noticed has its not just

1:43:47because he's hosting it just has that same sort of feel and touch and it

1:43:51really it's something I never even considered when I found out that Amazon

1:43:55had won the bidding to to get Jeremy Clarkson to do it I guess it's still as

1:44:00yet unnamed

1:44:01car show for prime video or whatever they call their video service for

1:44:07subscribers when they did that I thought ok so now they're going to get the what

1:44:12used to be called top gear they're gonna get it and you have to be a prime to

1:44:16subscribe to see it I'm looking forward to seeing it didn't occur to me that

1:44:20they would take use of that and sort of turned him into lake in in the House

1:44:23spokesperson and the same video team in to be able to do that which is

1:44:29incredibly valuable because it's so good it's so well done

1:44:33put the video on the show nerd but it's it's really really good it's not just

1:44:37interesting like wow they have a robot that can fly to the airdrop packages at

1:44:41your house which is a cool idea but I really think it's fascinating to me now

1:44:45that Amazon has the Top Gear host and production team as an in-house marketing

1:44:51trend really up to the value of their stuff there's a there's a rumor what

1:44:57their Amazon Prime video mike is now coming to the Apple TV

1:45:02yeah yeah why should hear if we prepared for the show to talk about that for an

1:45:08hour job that at the end long story short somebody wrote Amazon to complain

1:45:15about the fact that there's no prime video app on Apple TV and they got an

1:45:19answer there didn't seem to go through like any sort of official channels but

1:45:23somebody's Amazon repair concerned that we're working on it which if true is

1:45:28good to know but I took that with it

1:45:32huge grain of salt because it did not seem to come from it it just didn't seem

1:45:37like somebody who was just like well like you know we have been on it we

1:45:42asked him if we have an iPad app I guess where how that could happen but anyway

1:45:48who knows I guess it's more hopeful than we've had before so it would be nice if

1:45:52there's good stuff on Amazon

1:45:54primary video with Jeremy Clarkson sup attention has two that's pretty alright

1:46:06john thank you very much thank you talk to you soon but