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130: ‘A Full Canseco’, With Guest John Moltz

 

  friend of the show Parker fascist texted me earlier today with an interesting [TS]

  question and he said if you heard somebody say that an outfielder went [TS]

  well for can say go on a ball what does that mean dia I'm not sure I know I like [TS]

  the the thought experiment though I got it because I can never forget this play [TS]

  it was a play went when Jose Canseco was on the Texas Rangers who is playing [TS]

  right field and there was a girl should have her routine fly ball out of the [TS]

  warning track he lost it in the hit him on the head and bounced over for a home [TS]

  run it seems impossible I will I will put his foot I will put the link in the [TS]

  show where the guy I will send it to you now but it does sound impossible but it [TS]

  did happen and I think I think you could probably have you had the right math [TS]

  degree you could probably proved mathematically that it could only have [TS]

  happened Jose Canseco but you know that's the second it's the second thing [TS]

  on you to the second search criteria for Jose Canseco the first is just Jose [TS]

  Canseco and the second is Jose Canseco all his head [TS]

  what day is that I got the idea from your video did this is great I had those [TS]

  guys going back is going back long it you'd think you'd have to try to do that [TS]

  know that you have to try to do it on purpose I'm not even sure if you could [TS]

  do it on purpose so what happened was yesterday it was yesterday [TS]

  Toronto Blue Jays left fielder Ben Revere was trying to catch a fly ball [TS]

  hit by the Orioles Matt Wieters and it was it was gonna hit the wall about in [TS]

  about a foot short and he jumped up to catch it and his glove and went over for [TS]

  a home run so it would not have been a home run would have been about a foot [TS]

  short and instead was cuz he tried to catch to me that's not a full can't go [TS]

  that that to me is I have can't go gotta gotta gotta hit your head or some other [TS]

  but I mean not sure if there's anything else more comical than that would [TS]

  actually work [TS]

  debasing the beauty of that play by calling it a candidate that's a half [TS]

  that's a half it best to have the other that should be that should be the [TS]

  official scoring actually the other links when I went to google it when you [TS]

  type in how they get sick and that is fun it's a very fun game what auto [TS]

  completes the other one that came out was Jose Canseco knocked out and when I [TS]

  auto completed I thought I was like holy cow so i misremembered the play I was [TS]

  like I i dont remember him getting knocked out on that play I thought that [TS]

  it just went over and you know it was ok turns out it's a different video he he [TS]

  was a celebrity boxing match [TS]

  and got knocked down a person or naturally yeah it's really you was busy [TS]

  fighting Vice City humen former Philadelphia Eagles safety and I go kick [TS]

  return and is now in fact a beloved local sportscaster here in Philly I [TS]

  believe these blogs for having having knocked out against hehe I guess [TS]

  Kensinger used to play for the local for our local team for the Rainiers only [TS]

  because the he was he was he was in the aids rate yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz it [TS]

  used to be the Rangers used to be at his farm team before the beginning and so I [TS]

  remember going to a game one night and I'm pretty sure I get weak they like the [TS]

  gift thing he get first 100 people or whatever was a hook it was a [TS]

  considerable had a good name for a local team named after year [TS]

  mountaintop Mount Rainier yeah was that rename them out [TS]

  well that happens now they think they should but what a funny story that I I'm [TS]

  guessing those people have heard this but it's it's there was at the mountain [TS]

  in alaska and that everybody in alaska calls it [TS]

  Denali and it's like the indigenous name that since you know hundred years or [TS]

  whatever and then at some point hundred years ago [TS]

  some white man shows up a white man shows up and they named it mount [TS]

  mckinley after President McKinley who quite frankly was not a very good [TS]

  president and in fact this is the part I did not know had never even step foot in [TS]

  alaska and so long way to go back then President Barack Obama renamed it to [TS]

  Denali and to what it was originally named right and it's such a weird story [TS]

  because so much in you s politics is just need jerk right republican democrat [TS]

  you know anything you know Obama ordered a hamburger and and Republicans complain [TS]

  they didn't get a cheeseburger and instead though is very strange everybody [TS]

  in alaska whether they're republicans democrats very happy about this because [TS]

  it's apparently been like a sticking point for a long time you know they [TS]

  don't like it and people in Ohio which is the home state of President McKinley [TS]

  very very upset [TS]

  too bad name one of your little mountains in Ohio Mount McKinley right [TS]

  now the McKinley Hill yes the rain rainier is actually a Houma and whatever [TS]

  I did which native which native language it is it's all the same thing so [TS]

  basically the same I did not know that [TS]

  yeah and then there's the team could be the Tacoma Homans I got every grade that [TS]

  would be a good way to get on SportsCenter regular pace not getting [TS]

  their daughter playing right now I don't know how well the Rangers are doing but [TS]

  their parent teams are doing all right I tried to explain to Jonas Hiller day [TS]

  remember dick trickle in the NASCAR driver he was a mediocre mass card [TS]

  NASCAR driver did not have a great win but in the late nineties when Keith [TS]

  Olbermann and Dan Patrick were doing sports center I guess it was like the [TS]

  middle nineties and it's every night at eleven o'clock those two guys who want [TS]

  you know they're two of the top sportscasters country whenever they [TS]

  reported NASCAR results they would say who came in first who came in second and [TS]

  where the dick trickle finish so it'd be like so-and-so came in first so-and-so [TS]

  is second and dick trickle finished 28th and and it was every single week it was [TS]

  so great and they never of course never said why and I i really had to do a [TS]

  Jonas did not believe me we really had to like Google guy and I look up as [TS]

  Wikipedia and [TS]

  and you can even find if you google them you know references to the fact that he [TS]

  was with mentioned that catchy name like that if you're you know if you're not [TS]

  going to win you know only a minor league franchise you need a good time to [TS]

  call it that now would have been a good base for him to play right maybe that [TS]

  was it may be that was he misses calling ya would have been like a relief pitcher [TS]

  prolly fingers right late innings late innings doctor comes a warming up in the [TS]

  bullpen think I we have nothing really now what you want to start to get the [TS]

  Google logo thing out of the way [TS]

  ok I brought in noted graphic designer has got to wondering why I was being [TS]

  brought on please continue to get you wanted somebody who knew less than you [TS]

  and I knew much more or much less than you [TS]

  I here's the so Google change their logo last week and I rather than radii I [TS]

  should I'm going to rate some time maybe at some point I've got a longer piece [TS]

  and have a whole bunch of links they've done because other people are writing [TS]

  about it but my take honey i read your take I went short and sweet yeah they're [TS]

  all I better gonna do it from memory is pretty short but I better just search my [TS]

  homepage for garbage their old logo was goofy this new one is simply garbage is [TS]

  right for a company with no taste I know that's harsh but I meant I truly mean [TS]

  every word of that I really do i think is garbage logo I really do I think it's [TS]

  terrible and what is too large to new things right there's a new the name is [TS]

  written differently [TS]

  yes and then they also have a logo which they didn't have the form I right about [TS]

  that [TS]

  what would the lot what is the logo supposed to be like the the circle [TS]

  things yes it was like a certainly i mean so actually in the if you look in [TS]

  the what is it that little thing about 15 icon yet if so sure what was up there [TS]

  before it was a GE it was a lowercase G now I see a capital G [TS]

  yeah it's got the colors it's got the colors of the chrome from Icahn has [TS]

  ballooned I thought it was just the chrome icon in the shape of a cheap but [TS]

  it's not the only thing I would clarify about my I will write more but if I [TS]

  could if I could take my little short take again I would doing I would add is [TS]

  that when I say they're all those goofy I that I realize it an incomplete [TS]

  thought cuz it was goofy but over the years they had simplified it to a point [TS]

  where it was right it was goofy but goofy in the way that Google is goofy [TS]

  goofy like that they're sort of a quirky [TS]

  you know that's part of their brand right like this is my favorite moment [TS]

  Google history and I mean this in total sincerity or whatever euro was when [TS]

  gmail was announced today announced it on april first and and at the time you [TS]

  went to like aol.com and sign up for a FREE e-mail Yahoo Yahoo and Hotmail the [TS]

  two most popular you got the new you go you free email account and like you got [TS]

  like 10 megabytes of storage or fifteen megabytes of storage or something like [TS]

  that and then on April 1st like whatever year was 2006 2007 whatever Google [TS]

  announced today of a new free email service called gmail and you get like a [TS]

  gigabyte of storage it was like 50 times the storage of these other services and [TS]

  it was April 1st which is internet Jack St and so I remember thinking like I [TS]

  think I think this may be true I think it's true that I have never once been [TS]

  taken in by an Internet Jack este hopes I think and if not if I haven't taken it [TS]

  hasn't been bad [TS]

  never once you know and I know it's a point of pride for me that I've never [TS]

  once before I remember like thinking like this is this is dastardly I can't [TS]

  tell whether this is real or a joke and I don't know what to do I don't know [TS]

  whether I should link to it I don't know whether I should link to it and just say [TS]

  I don't know if this is a joke because it does seem impossible how could they [TS]

  give everybody a gigabyte of storage and it turned out it was completely true but [TS]

  I love that story and I think that they I think that they did it I've never [TS]

  heard whether it's true or not but i think thats why they announced it on [TS]

  april first cuz I think they knew that it would have that reaction that part of [TS]

  the reaction to the announcement of Gmail was the are they kidding is this [TS]

  real well and that's the best thing to do any prefer straight because everybody [TS]

  is so sick of April 1st being full of these dumb Microsoft buys so-and-so and [TS]

  the real trick is to do the opposite [TS]

  the better gag is to do the exact opposite something that's completely [TS]

  true that seems like it's probably not [TS]

  and to me it just epitomizes what is great and fun about Google that they can [TS]

  do they have amazing technology they have they think big right instead of [TS]

  taking like led to double Yahoo's storage led there they were like let's [TS]

  give a hundred times we a hundred times they think big they're not afraid you [TS]

  know that they have that sort of ambition in the imagination and they [TS]

  have this weird sense of humor where I wouldn't put it past them to do it as a [TS]

  go there and they do they are a company that does do jokes on April 1st you know [TS]

  like Apple for example never does April 1st and shouldn't it would be it would [TS]

  be terrible but it you know I hate all right I don't think Google's jokes are [TS]

  that good either but they do them but it's right for Google's brand that they [TS]

  do them you know and the fact that I don't care for those jokes is just one [TS]

  of those reasons why I just more of a person in a Google person but anyway all [TS]

  of that is to say is that where their logo was before like up until last week [TS]

  was to me it was goofy but goofy in the right way and it looked like a certain [TS]

  state witness to it and the fact that it was this sort of weird old timey Sarah [TS]

  fun that nobody really uses anymore it's just like a weird quirk but it was [TS]

  instantly recognizable and you know when a good way and I think that it was just [TS]

  had the right tone it would they're calling it goofy and leaving and that [TS]

  makes it sound like those putting their old logo down to 10 men is that their [TS]

  own lives [TS]

  goofy appropriately and you know and so you can criticize it as in and of itself [TS]

  as a lot of the people who have written pieces supporting the new logo [TS]

  you know they're correct in all the ways that they're all those kind of weird you [TS]

  know in and of itself wasn't good but I think it was really good for Google and [TS]

  this new one to me it's just so childish looking it's it's ridiculous it's [TS]

  absolutely ridiculous [TS]

  do you think it's how do you think its challenge because it looks like those [TS]

  letters that you put on yet it just to me the tone of these shapes of letters [TS]

  the the complete geometric roundness of these letters and and like and at the [TS]

  best letter to look at to me is lowercase G it which is really really [TS]

  you to me like a kindergarten looking lowercase G like the type of gyud you [TS]

  know put up in front of a kid learning to write for the first time in the O's [TS]

  are just perfect circle so it's hard to complain about them but but just the G [TS]

  is really where it stands out as very very childish and I don't think that's [TS]

  good at all any other people have pointed out that it's it's extremely [TS]

  similar to the like the For Colored G logo that they have now [TS]

  upper case she is very very similar to a logo that gymboree had used over and I i [TS]

  don't think it's a problem in that they rip them off it's not you know there's [TS]

  only so many ways to do primary colors which already was part of Google's brand [TS]

  you know the blue red yellow green if you can stick to these primary like you [TS]

  know right out of the a color Crayola box look and do occur uppercase gee [TS]

  there's only so many ways to do it so that I would call it a rip off but the [TS]

  fact that it is so similar in tone to a logo for romper room for three year olds [TS]

  it really really says to me how childish to this is a brand I really liked for [TS]

  example with their old logo I like to the way that when they made eye contact [TS]

  for example like when they put you know that the logo on the Google Maps icon [TS]

  or their old fav icon that instead of using the first gene that uppercase G [TS]

  they used the middle G the lower case one and you knew that that was Google's [TS]

  G it's a Google owned that lower case G and I thought that was a really cool and [TS]

  I thought it was very very apt for their brand and that sort of tone of their [TS]

  company whereas now they're stuck with this upper case you need it's very [TS]

  generic looking generically child part of the last part of your argument though [TS]

  company with no taste yeah I think that's probably what most people got [TS]

  hung up on [TS]

  well I don't they don't have to I'd really I firmly believe it and there are [TS]

  fears that I guess the part that gets lost in there is there are pockets [TS]

  within Google where there are good designers working and obviously have [TS]

  taste because there are some products that they put out that are nicely [TS]

  designed but institutionally they have no taste at all because there's some of [TS]

  their products are just horrendous I i for example I think gmail just looks [TS]

  like it looks like garbage and it always has and I could never I know I know [TS]

  probably a majority of the people listening to the show [TS]

  probably use Gmail and if if not a majority of certainly a huge chunk use [TS]

  it and they use it right out of the web browser [TS]

  you know that's how they do you know do their email I don't think anybody does [TS]

  that because they like the way it looks they dislike the way that it works it [TS]

  looks terrible it's just a jumbled mess and it's like one of their flagship [TS]

  products I would say it's second only to web search I guess I don't find their [TS]

  tastes any worse than anybody else is particularly other than I mean obviously [TS]

  we're also gonna come down on the side that Apple has better taste but I think [TS]

  that [TS]

  it's probably not too much of an argument is going to reverse read they [TS]

  they occasionally they do have things that show portrays often in their [TS]

  comments as opposed to their design but by and large it's the opposite case for [TS]

  them but but the thing about Google I just don't think that their tastes [TS]

  really Microsoft's or anybody else's Microsoft has yeah although they have [TS]

  better I think they've evolved better taste than Google I think Microsoft yeah [TS]

  I think they're showing it in the last few years I would even say just look at [TS]

  their look you know their logo redesign you know I think that Mike microsoft has [TS]

  redesigned their logo within the last few years too and I think for the better [TS]

  you know that they've they've gotten to a mark now that they can stick with you [TS]

  know forever and it's theirs I don't think it's great I did nothing really [TS]

  that I would rave about Microsoft's current logo but it was better than what [TS]

  they had before and it's and it seems to fit their brand to me you know and so [TS]

  that to me as a sign of taste the reactions have gotten from people on [TS]

  Twitter and I almost can't believe that day [TS]

  exist in a world I know there's people who don't care about logos really think [TS]

  they think that they don't matter but why would those people follow me on [TS]

  twitter [TS]

  people have said duty just it's just the logo to get angry right to me like [TS]

  saying it's fine you pick you know it's like i don't know like in the in the [TS]

  apartment building that is my mind love typography and loving care about logos [TS]

  share a bedroom its to me it's the same part of my brain at like the same part [TS]

  of my brain lights up when I think about fonts as when I think about logos and [TS]

  branding it's it's exactly the same part of my brain and and in some cases it's [TS]

  married together because in this case what I really don't like about Google's [TS]

  logo is the type of the word mark that raising [TS]

  yeah it is I don't like it either but this always happens to me is like I end [TS]

  up these things get an ounce and a whole bunch of people lose their shit over it [TS]

  and I look at it and i think i I will I will end up one way or the other [TS]

  like saying oh I like it and then someone will write a very thoughtful [TS]

  post on why I shouldn't like it so you can see that or the other way around so [TS]

  I don't feel like I feel lost in this in this world but I did not I did not like [TS]

  it at first glance and also I kind of understood why they did it because they [TS]

  have reorganized but I also but at the same time I still get I think I think [TS]

  that companies tend to do that too much and often it's a bad impulse to rush out [TS]

  and redesign year your logo to reflect some sort of business reason that your [TS]

  customers really probably don't give a crap about yeah I it's a very very [TS]

  interesting point and now that you've said I i I have been thinking that like [TS]

  in the back of my head I think you're exactly right that it's inextricably [TS]

  tied to this alphabet parent company and honesty and I know I do care deeply [TS]

  about logos and I really do you know I do think that they matter or at least [TS]

  they can matter tremendously like I think for example the Apple logo is just [TS]

  you can't put a value on it it's it is incredibly valuable to the company and [TS]

  its so meaningful to me that they can have these retail stores that don't even [TS]

  say the name of the store [TS]

  they've never had a member put the name of the store anywhere they just put this [TS]

  mark in front [TS]

  and everybody knows this and they can make laptops that have this mark when I [TS]

  opened up and you can just see that you know you wanna go to a coffee shop that [TS]

  everybody is using one of their laptops and it's incredibly valuable technically [TS]

  not their first look oh no no not officially there's the old wooden [TS]

  sitting under a tree right it wasn't terrible it was a very nice driving [TS]

  really catch doesn't really catch the eye I put it in the show knows I bet [TS]

  most people is not have seen it but if you haven't you'll be shocked at the [TS]

  first Apple computer company logo very well drawn was very nice but it is a [TS]

  terrible ok yeah but I do think that it's in a good they're changing logo is [TS]

  inextricably tied to this sort of corporate reshuffling an honest and not [TS]

  to read too much into it so all this said that I care about Logan they matter [TS]

  I actually do think that it is a sign I I can't articulate logically itself [TS]

  dealing but I I just feel it that it's a very bad sign for Google to me it's a [TS]

  sign that they've lost their way that you know i i dont have money I don't [TS]

  have any money in any individual companies but if I did I would think [TS]

  very very seriously about about selling my Google stock that I don't know I [TS]

  think they might be in for some bad times ahead and it's not just the logo [TS]

  it's the everything it's like the fact that like Larry and Sergey I think that [TS]

  I'm calling it a different way but I got some 200 there's a hard G Fergie Fergie [TS]

  ok I didn't know that you know that they've heard they've seemingly I i've [TS]

  been thinking about this alphabet reshuffling and to me that I think about [TS]

  it I think what it really means is that those two guys who could do whatever [TS]

  they want cos filthy rich be the way that the ingenious way that they have [TS]

  structured the stock for the company they can do whatever they want with the [TS]

  company [TS]

  don't have to answer to anybody which is great I i you know i I've always thought [TS]

  Steve Jobs must have looked at the way they said that you know god damn I wish [TS]

  I don't seem to have lost interest [TS]

  they've lost interest in what Google as we know it is and that they just do [TS]

  other things to me that for Google in on whether the prospects for alphabet are [TS]

  bad I don't know maybe they've got some great new stuff up their sleep but for [TS]

  Google as we know it I feel like they're going into a decline yeah I mean anyway [TS]

  because it seems like they're taking their taking the stuff that they think [TS]

  is the long-term growth stuff out of Google Voice's right and this and this [TS]

  logo change makes me feel that the people left lifted Google you know what [TS]

  is now just google really don't they they don't get what Google what made by [TS]

  Google great they don't get it i think is a good to me this brand doesn't fit [TS]

  what the best of Google feels like I mean I was thinking well I was thinking [TS]

  that it was that it was more dictated by alphabet maybe rather than done with it [TS]

  internally to Google but maybe they said to go out in design a new logo or maybe [TS]

  they said we have to make sure that the alphabet brand is consistent and we're [TS]

  going in a different direction maybe I don't know but I think they've lost [TS]

  something that was pretty good and replaced it with something terrible yeah [TS]

  I would not say that they have no taste but I don't think they're just as good [TS]

  as I they there are people in the in teams within the company with great [TS]

  taste institutionally the company has noticed that my room and I think that [TS]

  it's very strong argument anyway let's take a break out a about very good [TS]

  friend of the show [TS]

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  actually abandoned trigger and then try grouper and what else is going on we got [TS]

  this Google thing out of the way I guess we'll talk to this talk about the event [TS]

  cuz ima be there was no taste we could talk about the same stuff that's a good [TS]

  one yeah we can talk about that which I actually think I actually think looks [TS]

  really nice but I wrote a piece about the difference between square watch [TS]

  faces and around watch basis and i cant think that's where watches are actually [TS]

  more the way of the future [TS]

  than round watch faces I did not even know you wrote this piece is a nice a [TS]

  potential owners alright so tell me why do you think that well then again I had [TS]

  but from the things that I've read for people who are actually designers it's [TS]

  just it's it's certainly easier to code for square face and get and but also a [TS]

  square faces better at representing most information that's not to say that there [TS]

  are certain instances where around depiction of something is not more [TS]

  valuable in square one it's just saying that you can you can easily be more [TS]

  easily get a circle into a square than the other way around [TS]

  you can get a circle into a square without losing any size yeah you can I [TS]

  get a square in the eye that is exactly what I thought well what I have been [TS]

  shocked if a year ago and it would have been exactly a year ago as we talk that [TS]

  it you know when they unveiled the Apple watch if it had been circular I guess I [TS]

  wouldn't have been shocked but I wasn't surprised at all that Apple's was [TS]

  rectangular because of it that exact thing that it's 44 [TS]

  generic display that might end up displaying anything including and I [TS]

  think especially today's Apple post App Store and iPhone Apple realizes that [TS]

  that Apple watch was if it's successful would end up being used in ways that [TS]

  they'd never imagined rate that's that's like the big lesson of the iPhone to me [TS]

  is you know that there was this [TS]

  you know this whole internal debate Ben Thompson and I were talking about a last [TS]

  episode that it's so funny that there was a camp within the company that was [TS]

  sort of like we don't need a nap story you know we'll we'll just make all the [TS]

  apps we need our selves and partner with companies in like Google for the YouTube [TS]

  app in the Google Maps app that shipped on the first iPhone was his partner with [TS]

  people and will will make all the apps but we need for this thing so like for [TS]

  example I do think that Apple foresaw that there would have been no right away [TS]

  that there would be a second-screen apps you know I think that they had the idea [TS]

  that you paid between from left to the right you know get two more apps I think [TS]

  though that there was a side within the company that you know that I'll be there [TS]

  all be our apps here they'll be like 20 24 apps for the iPhone it'll be great in [TS]

  the end that's too far into Safari was the outlet for it you know that I I [TS]

  actually think that you know that way when they announced that at the first of [TS]

  Dec that we have a sweet solution lies I i think that they meant it I I think [TS]

  there were some people within the company who wanted you know definitely [TS]

  worth pushing for the App Store angle you know who who cringed at that just [TS]

  happened developers in the audience watching the keynote did but I think [TS]

  that some of them but this did you know that that's good enough for like you [TS]

  know and I think they foresaw things like you know like well you do your [TS]

  online banking on your website that works that fits right on the screen so I [TS]

  think you know now lo these many years later and literally millions of apps all [TS]

  the money they're making on the apps they realize hey the phone is being used [TS]

  to it we never imagined I think they knew going into it with the watch they [TS]

  would be used in ways they didn't imagine and I think a rectangle is [TS]

  better generic shape then yeah and anything that one thing that struck me [TS]

  was even produced like while I was writing this piece was that they went [TS]

  back and looked at all the old watches that I had lying around and and I guess [TS]

  that came out one because I was using a circular watch face and I switched to [TS]

  modular which I like and don't like but I like it because it's got a lot of [TS]

  extra information on it and the problem I had was like I wanted to watch this [TS]

  with the date on it [TS]

  hands I also want to watch me get the most complications on and the way you do [TS]

  that in most of them is by putting the date inside the watch these yeah well [TS]

  most of those are too small for me to read because I'm too old for now and the [TS]

  other thing is that five minutes out of every hour you can't read the the date [TS]

  anyway because they handed minute hands covering I've thought the same thing [TS]

  yeah and that's in that's just like was interesting how I went back and looked [TS]

  at those old watches in tight yeah I mean that's kind of a thing that have [TS]

  struggled with for years really never really thought much about but I mean you [TS]

  can watch with physical hands the minute hand is always the one that's higher so [TS]

  you can kinda tilt to see you around it in order to see what the data is but [TS]

  it's even worse on a chronograph because all those extra things on there that are [TS]

  on the face but they get covered up that odd parts of the hour and become [TS]

  difficult to use so all that stuff is just adding information to watch the [TS]

  circular face in trying to put it inside that circle becomes really yeah and the [TS]

  modular face while while I don't like certain things about it just displays [TS]

  all the information and and there is a guest psychological angle to it to like [TS]

  the way that everybody you know the famous added you know if you drop a [TS]

  slice of butter toasted always going to land butter side down because that's [TS]

  what you remembers the time they did that it just seems like it's more than [TS]

  more often than not when I want to check the date it's quarter after my god it's [TS]

  what how do I how come everytime I wanna check the date it's quarter after and i [TS]

  cant see the day what the health and that's not true it's just that all the [TS]

  other times I check the date I don't remember that but the times that I is [TS]

  blocked I remember and then that's it just feels like it's always quarter [TS]

  after [TS]

  like to play blackjack it seems like I always get $16 remember every goddamn [TS]

  him sixty all I ever get her sixteens and the dealer gets a bike check every [TS]

  goddamn time every time how is that possible so that is true and I think [TS]

  that too [TS]

  it also its thinks it's out with the Apple watch even more because when it [TS]

  happens you realize that you have the option of changing to a different face [TS]

  that fix it you know I give you buy an analog watch and the date gets covered [TS]

  up on its quarter after you might be annoyed but you don't think well I could [TS]

  spend ten seconds here and change the LA basin and fix this problem right whereas [TS]

  with the Apple watch you know it's always an option to switch to a [TS]

  different place where ya it so that Samsung watch that the gear as to who is [TS]

  a very nice looking circular faced SmartWatch yeah but I feel I still feel [TS]

  like the circular faces the wrong [TS]

  yeah I think it but maybe not catastrophic Lee you know like maybe [TS]

  that's not necessarily going to limit the success of those watches but I do [TS]

  think you know I there and there are some people that this is a funny little [TS]

  side topic this square vs round thing there's a fair number of people who I've [TS]

  seen you know either an e-mail or on Twitter you know communicating with me [TS]

  that that are predicting that Apple will eventually go circular because circular [TS]

  the circular watches look better people who look at the Apple watchin sad I just [TS]

  don't like it looks like you know looks too nerdy to me cuz it square Apple's [TS]

  got you know they're gonna go circular Anjali and I don't think that's gonna [TS]

  happen I don't think that's gonna happen I think it would be and I think way too [TS]

  hard now of course Apple changes things all the time and there never really all [TS]

  that worried about making developers do more work i mean you shouldn't do you [TS]

  know if they weren't they would actually slow them down [TS]

  and in the long run in the short run it's always it's never good day after [TS]

  making if they make changes that make developers do more work like the the big [TS]

  change in iowa's seven where the you know pretty much every single app other [TS]

  than games had to redo their entire user interface or else they would look bad [TS]

  that's you know that's all I ask every day all of you with all of your apps [TS]

  have to redo all of the entirety of your user interface that's a lot to ask but [TS]

  it's the right move going forward rather than stick with something that's going [TS]

  to be outdated still waiting for a new icon from Instagram their interface raid [TS]

  nights I really wonder I would love to hear what argument inside the company [TS]

  isn't it cuz it their icon does [TS]

  dicks at this point it's not hard to imagine a just and I know flat is [TS]

  overused term adjust flattened gotten him things right with the same colors [TS]

  yes same colors I think it would be a drop shadow right to forestall it [TS]

  yeah i i do think the news that the new Samsung gonna get a ride on Twitter they [TS]

  called it the G two it's not the g2 its test here he rest too I just got caught [TS]

  the Samsung which is actually here's a case where I wish the day just cap [TS]

  copied apple and just called it [TS]

  Samsung watch that then I could remember the name but anyway it it it you know [TS]

  and I was you know pretty complimentary tool and a link to it I i know i some [TS]

  people do people say I'm surprised surprised to see you be complementary to [TS]

  it and to me that it's like I'm never trying to be against Samsung are against [TS]

  Google I'm saying what I really think and what I really think about most [TS]

  Samsung products is that they they're derivative crap so therefore it seems as [TS]

  though I'm against Samsung because they keep saying it but it's because they [TS]

  keep putting out what I see is true [TS]

  crap and then they put out something that to me is interesting and original [TS]

  and looks pretty good so I said it's interesting and original they did copy a [TS]

  few things from their porch right around with their system though its absence of [TS]

  contacts rate yeah yeah it looks like it looks like the contacts thing that comes [TS]

  up when you hit the button on the side of the Avalanche except it's actually [TS]

  apps yeah and the other thing is did you see the interface I couldn't find a [TS]

  better place to live but there's just a couple seconds of it in the verges video [TS]

  where they show what it when you when you don't call them complications that [TS]

  forget what they call them they came up with a new word for complications but [TS]

  whatever they call the complications on their watch faces that our user [TS]

  adjustable when you go into the edit mode it is exactly like Apple like [TS]

  there's a little attention there's dots at the top that you can swipe between [TS]

  which thing you're editing when you're like changing the like the color of the [TS]

  second hand it highlights in the same color and there's even they even like [TS]

  you'd like the same all caps in our Round Rock thing that says like color if [TS]

  you look for it is it just exactly they like their they could not be more of a [TS]

  copy kind of embarrassing but in terms of appearance for the most part yeah [TS]

  anything like it and and that that the correct call it the bezel the bezel yeah [TS]

  the rotating bezel and I think the changes in surface this is a really good [TS]

  idea yeah it seems like nm by all reports from people who had a hands-on [TS]

  with it as a good feel to it which is important it's you know it's funny it's [TS]

  it's it's actually like talking about this is exactly why I like having a [TS]

  podcast and because I almost feel like even if I had gone really long writing [TS]

  about it would be so much easier just to talk about it which is that I want to [TS]

  say I wanted to say look they copied a few little things but overall it's you [TS]

  know it's it's mostly an original design and kudos and a good one [TS]

  and kudos to them for that but I didn't want to mention the little things that [TS]

  they copied because then people would say you know how can you call this a [TS]

  hobby right that you know it around instead of square how can you say to it [TS]

  a rip off and on you know I'm not saying I'm descended a few things but everybody [TS]

  does that [TS]

  so I think it's worth complaining about in the way that like Apple will still [TS]

  things you know like town which was a Windows you no intention so taking [TS]

  little good ideas from the other guys is okay it's it's the wholesale deal right [TS]

  right when you get on the stand in a court case and they hold up a thing and [TS]

  he says I can't tell if that ours is and it's a you know damn well but this [TS]

  little things I liked about it was that it it kinda more so than any of the [TS]

  other many of the Android wear watches that it has a good sense of what it is [TS]

  like two of them there's like two levels right and one of them looks like to me [TS]

  like a swatch which is not a cut down and the other one looks like a good like [TS]

  $80 1900 something like that so I made ranged watch and it probably cost more [TS]

  because they have more features they should cost more and we don't still [TS]

  don't know how much they cost but they didn't like the Motorola just flat-out [TS]

  terrible the 360 looks terrible cuz it's just a cylinder cut off with little [TS]

  prongs on the end and then the other one that's a big and red wear watches the [TS]

  horribly named G one of her being what she looks like it's trying to be fancy [TS]

  watch but looks like it's made a cheap materials is that the one that has [TS]

  numbers printed around the bezel like hardware printed on the bezel I think so [TS]

  no no there's one that has like 30 15 30 45 around the outside which is really [TS]

  weird on it and change on a SmartWatch [TS]

  yeah like it's I know why it's there because you using it to tell time as the [TS]

  time but it just seems like a weird it just seems weird that its hardware [TS]

  instead of doing it on the screen but that's the one that people and the LG [TS]

  one of the people most point to and say up-to-date pointed to it said that looks [TS]

  like a real watch ya which I mean you know they're they're happens and also it [TS]

  looks like a real to me is this one looks like a good maybe you know [TS]

  somewhat more casual not super fancy but like a good watch yeah it's it's funny [TS]

  cuz I feel like in my experience you really do have to see any watch in [TS]

  person to truly get a sense of the size like seen a photograph of it on [TS]

  somebody's risk just doesn't really work although if its sick if it's a huge [TS]

  enough like the original moto 270 [TS]

  you can tell just by looking at the picture that but then when you look at [TS]

  it in real life you're like oh my god it's even bigger than I thought but that [TS]

  said the numbers of these the Senate the Samsung has two sizes 40 and 42 and [TS]

  forty 40 millimetres is really a standard size for a watch today the old [TS]

  standard for mens watches older you know going back decades is more like thirty [TS]

  six millimeters but 40 is pretty standard and you know obviously [TS]

  comfortable roughly two apples 42 it is interesting to me that even a year later [TS]

  and even Samsung can't yet match on the 38 yes I do think I do think one of the [TS]

  problems with the Samsung one so I think the same somewhat totally credible just [TS]

  as like a piece of jewelry on my interest and to me it's the first first [TS]

  one that's not the Apple odds that qualifies for that really I don't even [TS]

  the LG one i dont really good I still don't think though that the Samsung one [TS]

  even this morning I don't think it's gonna be something that women would wear [TS]

  I just don't think I don't think it's small enough yet and I think Samsung [TS]

  kind of knows it because I don't think [TS]

  any of the bands that they've done look like they're targeted at women that [TS]

  undersea no women will buy watches are funny thing where is an awful lot of [TS]

  different styles [TS]

  swimwear like chunky watches well and look at the Apple ID sizzle awful lot of [TS]

  the you know specially the most popular ones like the sport the sport ones are [TS]

  you know unisex you know I think you know you could argue that the pink band [TS]

  is probably no more feminine but I would say other than the pink all of the other [TS]

  colors even the black car are unisex you know I wouldn't say that you know that [TS]

  there's really any kind of gendered towards that I think that the link [TS]

  bracelet its probably you know to me looks masculine but most of the other [TS]

  ones I think are unisex but I think Samsung's with the lake the leather and [TS]

  stuff like that I think they look like mens watches just in general yeah I [TS]

  would say I would say that a man would be more likely to look at them [TS]

  woman was not a flat out lie gets there so an interesting thing I did was not [TS]

  aware of something Twitter pointed out to me that that the fact that they're [TS]

  using tyson instead of Android where opened up china to them and Android [TS]

  where apparently is not to wear watches are available in China I could be wrong [TS]

  is just gone from a guy on Twitter asked him he said that I didn't know that this [TS]

  is true that you know how the Android Android Samsung takes Android from [TS]

  Google [TS]

  and you know if they agreed to such-and-such they can have these Google [TS]

  Apps built in but they still get to customize the interface with you know [TS]

  what they call it to touch with you know and they can add their own absence of [TS]

  Android where there is no option to do that [TS]

  like Android where'd you get and I think you can like you can add custom faces [TS]

  but that's about it like you can't disentangle happen and that problem in [TS]

  China because in China the Android phones are all having Google search and [TS]

  stuff like that they've all got the Chinese equivalents so that's [TS]

  interesting I've heard China's big market now lay out the Apple watch the [TS]

  Sun Devils [TS]

  China yeah well but that somehow you know you know that's just Apple yeah I [TS]

  think that I guess I got me thinking about it like does if you're in China [TS]

  with an iPhone I guess that the App Store has different apps I magnin and [TS]

  how that how that works I've never really thought about that but with the [TS]

  way that China you know has the the Great Firewall for internet access how [TS]

  does the App Store working time I actually did some research on this brush [TS]

  up on things work to check if anybody out there know should done that five [TS]

  years ago [TS]

  anybody out there no send me email and explain this to me I would love to hear [TS]

  about it but it seems very confusing to me but anyway I'm going to buy article [TS]

  but I do think simpson did a good job but yeah the other thing I got me [TS]

  thinking about you and I mention this under fire ball but the watch and it's [TS]

  kind of lead into the next topic which is next week and we expect but talk [TS]

  about Apple TV but the thing that's so weird about this smart watches is the [TS]

  way that they're all and eventually they'll tell be independent and not just [TS]

  have their own internet access [TS]

  but at the way that everybody's whether it's apples or androids or Tyson is tied [TS]

  to the phone a phone that it paired with to get it you know that people don't [TS]

  really have a choice here if you'd really do want to get a SmartWatch or [TS]

  not and if you do you know you're on one side of the fence you're only gonna get [TS]

  you can only use an apple watch if you're if your phone is an iPhone and [TS]

  and I and our guests can use you can use an Android we're now on the iPhone but [TS]

  it's very very unlikely I mean yes I I just can't imagine how many people would [TS]

  do very unlikely and suppose I guess the Samsung was quoted recently as saying [TS]

  that they're they're gonna try and bring in the noise and watch to the heavens [TS]

  why bother honestly I don't I would like to try what I would be interested in [TS]

  trying to write I made a couple of 11 and give it a try [TS]

  yeah I would do that but that's just me being stupid I mean I can even cause I [TS]

  could totally justified as a business expense that I might write about same [TS]

  reason I bought the people you know I paid for both generations of people just [TS]

  so I could think about them intelligence knowing going in that it was almost [TS]

  certain that I wasn't gonna actually wear it but I just think it makes it so [TS]

  interesting and a little sad cuz I do wish that I wish that they were [TS]

  independent so that I could just spend [TS]

  I'm going to guess that the simpson one is like 300 to 400 any guess maybe maybe [TS]

  up to five but probably not I just don't see how they can justify it would make a [TS]

  sammich [TS]

  I was working for maybe a little bit cheaper 250 yeah did you see what I know [TS]

  you mentioned this to an article that there's a new moto new generation of [TS]

  motive 3 sixties they're still there still to seventies even a year later [TS]

  they've still got the tire design earlier I get it now I've been doing [TS]

  that for all I really want everybody I wish they'd just renamed it Nemoto 270 [TS]

  it is smaller but did you notice that they've come out and again I wouldn't [TS]

  call this copying Apple but it's come out with a very large variety of colors [TS]

  and bands and straps to choose from I I wouldn't say that that's ripping off [TS]

  Apple at all because you know you know but it's just interesting to me though [TS]

  that Apple defined that aspect of the SmartWatch right away that the way to go [TS]

  is to be you know yet in all the accessories right and cover of a [TS]

  reasonable range of styles which is interesting that they they they have [TS]

  never done that with the iPhone particularly why are the iPad [TS]

  make the make a couple of cases and that's it yeah they have a few they have [TS]

  a few i phone cases don't they have like a leather one in a plastic one but [TS]

  they'd yeah but it's not a big deal it's not it's nowhere near as you know and [TS]

  they have lots of watch bands now and that's one of things that may be coming [TS]

  next week more bands yeah well I when I do notice and so for example I saw a ton [TS]

  of iPhones yesterday just because there is a huge Free Music Festival this [TS]

  weekend here in Philly it's like jay-z and Beyonce Budweiser made in America [TS]

  faster something I mean like seriously like hundreds of thousands of people out [TS]

  on our Parkway [TS]

  and of course I did not go go to it but I went for a run yesterday and i dont [TS]

  wanna go you know that they're good excuse me I could target in a couple of [TS]

  miles and I got that check it out and it 2000 I mean just thousands of people [TS]

  were heading towards it and let you know lots and lots of people with their [TS]

  phones out and I just just struck me yesterday that you know every it just [TS]

  seems like almost everybody has a phone or an iPhone and I can tell you know [TS]

  your stuff in the camera placement of its an iPhone iPhone has it up in the [TS]

  corner and that everybody has a case in [TS]

  I I don't think I saw anybody with the same cases each other like I think if I [TS]

  had taken a picture every single prisoner sorry that I would have been [TS]

  dozens and dozens of people that no two people have the same case you know tons [TS]

  of variety there and I kind of feel like that's a less I feel like Apple has sort [TS]

  of embrace that I and the more I think about it as the years go on like that [TS]

  that's why the camera bumpers they're the way they were willing to live with [TS]

  it cuz they realize that most people use it in case anyway so the camera doesn't [TS]

  matter even though for people like me it breaks my heart every single day [TS]

  yeah every day there's not had a single not a single day has gone by last year [TS]

  that I have it has not occurred to me at some point when my finger has [TS]

  encountered a problem while every day I could feel like I've gotten used to it [TS]

  too much thought well i buy in you know you don't use a case no I've never used [TS]

  months ago for months I thought like last year I thought well that's [TS]

  something that they could fix next year with the success because even with the S [TS]

  year where they don't really change the physical design clearly surely they [TS]

  could just make the camera flush with the back but now I'm thinking I'm not [TS]

  expecting it next week it's funny because it's you know it's the way that [TS]

  I obsess over these tiny little details that most people don't [TS]

  it's like the main thing of the past for next week is whether or not the phone to [TS]

  have the bulb I think it probably will because I think that they've I think [TS]

  that they've kind of given in to the fact that most people use the phone in [TS]

  case [TS]

  well but isn't isn't the reason there's a bomb simply physics yeah yeah it's [TS]

  but they you know you know in order to get the red focal right depth and they [TS]

  because they want the phone to be dinner at some point the camera has to stick [TS]

  out well or that or they give it didn't stick out it would be crappy camera [TS]

  right it would be a less visually you know to be worse camera right you know [TS]

  at some point but they could make it stick out more and have it be better so [TS]

  I think it should be telescoping right I i think that the old boy I think prior [TS]

  to last year I think that it was just non-negotiable though that it was going [TS]

  to be flash and that they would you know here's how thick will make it with you [TS]

  know and taking these factors into how thick the thing is gonna be how strong [TS]

  it is how much battery they need house how can I think how thick and iPhone is [TS]

  probably be an incredibly complex equations it's not like they just decide [TS]

  it's all of these factors how strong it is gonna you know is it gonna bend [TS]

  famously and you know how good how good with the camera be and I think it's you [TS]

  know I think before though they'd come to some conclusion and then they would [TS]

  make the best camera that would fit in that wash whereas last year they say you [TS]

  know so we can make a distant but then the camera scan it kind of crap and [TS]

  daily took a shot of whiskey [TS]

  I just about died just imagine that johnnie I really had to take a stiff as [TS]

  the way it was nice to talk about my good friends at fracture these guys keep [TS]

  coming back keep sponsoring a show and the reason is that people keep buying [TS]

  pictures from them and that's great [TS]

  these are the guys you guys know it I know everybody's lives in new listener [TS]

  you know who fractures there a service you send your digital photos to them and [TS]

  they print them directly on glass not really on the front of the class it's [TS]

  actually behind the glass but it's an incredibly thin piece of glass all sorts [TS]

  of sizes ranging from the desktop one square ones too big [TS]

  23 by 29 runs which is really really big size really really thin piece of glass [TS]

  they print your image on the back of it so it shines through but it's so thin it [TS]

  really does look like it on the surface of the glass and then again it's like [TS]

  that same effect as like when Apple started laminating the iPhone displays [TS]

  to the touch screen to the class where it no longer look like pixels underclass [TS]

  it look like pixels on the class that's exactly what these fracture prints look [TS]

  like really really need effect but also and I am still in this from Marcos read [TS]

  on ATP recently and he died I didn't really think about this until Marco said [TS]

  it but because their glasses so then their pictures are super super [TS]

  lightweight and I'm not start with the ones we have in our house to its are [TS]

  usually with a reasonably sized picture in the frame and everything too big [TS]

  heavy thing on the wall and you know I know there's only get the special things [TS]

  that happen along time i used to hang pictures I think this has never had and [TS]

  I'm not a handy so it's like I feel like you know I'm gonna have to call someone [TS]

  and when there is you know the extra classes and takes on a big chunk of [TS]

  earthquakes out here to see ya [TS]

  the fractures there so lightweight I never have to worry I never why I have a [TS]

  bunch of man around the house and I realize that they're the only pictures [TS]

  i've ever hung where I haven't walked stepped away from it thinking I'm gonna [TS]

  watch this fallen and seconds [TS]

  really really lightweight it's just great [TS]

  it's so great that if you've ever tried that you never gonna get it occurred to [TS]

  me I really do believe this year [TS]

  never ever going to hang your own photographs by putting it on paper and [TS]

  then putting them in a frame again you're never going to use anything but [TS]

  fracture and it's also many other problems to another problem I have to go [TS]

  to Ikea and by frame he put a picture in there I never get the damn picture to [TS]

  its so that when you close that thing up and you put all the classes and then it [TS]

  just drops a little bit and you see like a piece of the backing behind the thing [TS]

  and there are your thumb prints on the inside of the glass yeah it's it's a [TS]

  mess like the old way of doing it I have been thinking about this latest I've [TS]

  been trying to do things to say about fracture and want to know what it's like [TS]

  the old way of doing it when you have a picture that printed out and you put it [TS]

  in a frame it's a huge pain in the ass [TS]

  it's an enormous pain and fractures solves all these problems anytime you [TS]

  need to print picture just go to fracture that I can't even see why you [TS]

  would do anything else [TS]

  here's the other thing you can now what's the code code but probably find a [TS]

  bit davis wanted to show recently I just got my website probably talk show what [TS]

  do you think that your guess that would be my guess would be my guess [TS]

  know that most daring fireball that we should just make it a game as make it a [TS]

  game from these sponsors with the code is well anyway [TS]

  use that code daring fireball when you go to fracture fracture me.com is their [TS]

  URL go there [TS]

  use that code when you print your pictures out and you will save 15% off [TS]

  your first order I i really do mean this in complete sincerity even if they never [TS]

  sponsored measure get can't imagine anybody else would buy you whatever [TS]

  print a photo any other way [TS]

  wall to go to fracture it's that good in that easy to my thanks to them go go buy [TS]

  some pictures right of course we got we got next week [TS]

  wells which has taken this week this week so a couple days I will be flying [TS]

  to California and Apple is having an event it's way it's Wednesday during a [TS]

  Wednesday event which is why I was easy to figure out why i'd i'd I did on that [TS]

  Martin to somebody else told me this but it's because they didn't want to make [TS]

  people fly on Labor Day it Apple loves us [TS]

  media so much so much respect for me that they wanted to make sure I got a [TS]

  complete three-day weekend to relax from my backbreaking schedule so that I [TS]

  didn't have to fly on Monday and I guess presumably so Apple themselves wouldn't [TS]

  have to work you know I'm gonna guess the most of the people involved in this [TS]

  event probably pretty busy this weekend that they're not really relaxed but ya [TS]

  know which is kinda stinks right I mean like school starts for us this week [TS]

  yeah same here I think anything in California story though I think it [TS]

  started I think it started last week somebody I mentioned that to somebody [TS]

  else and they said yeah there are a lot of places in Pennsylvania now that start [TS]

  and started last week to which is crazy to me I did a lot of places that started [TS]

  in August which to me is just seems criminal yeah I mean this year labor is [TS]

  really yeah it is really late so starting after Labor Day is kinda yeah [TS]

  yeah but they're also I i guess to make you know I would not be surprised one [TS]

  bit if this facility that places has some kind of union workers that you know [TS]

  cannot be you know I have to get off early birthday yeah and that they need [TS]

  you know they definitely need to be in there doing stuff the day before [TS]

  so anyway thanks Labor Day thanks for nothing right to one of the things that [TS]

  my that might new phones room you found her sure thing I did you know that there [TS]

  is the surest thing in the universe regarding this event [TS]

  yeah and Mark Harmon says they might actually be thicker yeah lightly just [TS]

  slightly maybe for most people imperceptibly thicker yeah I think that [TS]

  that's I think he's not even alone in a lot of the stuff that's come out it has [TS]

  some sources are there some of them it's weird it's weird who some of his sources [TS]

  are like what they lied I know him well enough to trust him I think every single [TS]

  word he writes is true but that doesn't mean that all the things he says are [TS]

  gonna happen like he's always you know he'll say that you know like he he gave [TS]

  away the name of the the force touch screen that it's the 3d touch screen [TS]

  that what they're gonna call it but that is source in this is just like yesterday [TS]

  or the day before business sources said you know that could change what I i [TS]

  believe him that somebody with a nap or told him that at some point they were [TS]

  thinking about calling it the 3d touch trainer at every says they're going to [TS]

  call it but if his source really know they would you know today like five days [TS]

  before the event they would say they would know it for a fact so like what he [TS]

  wrote is exactly true that it could be it could come out with another name but [TS]

  that at some point that's what they were thinking about but that just you know [TS]

  but it's not so it's not changing in between the time that the article is [TS]

  being published in the time of the announcement they are not changing their [TS]

  not changing the name behind the scenes and then running out and sending it off [TS]

  right [TS]

  bunch of boxes reprinting budget 33 he says are going to call the 3d touch [TS]

  display seems reasonable I because it's some kind of force yeah it's been a [TS]

  technology that not everybody loves ya I guess [TS]

  i guess its good you know it's a feature that's one of the more on the talk here [TS]

  right and so they have to play up whatever they had to get people to deal [TS]

  with that phone so the force touch aspect of it actually becomes a big deal [TS]

  yeah yeah and the technology behind it becomes the kind of thing that used so [TS]

  although the idea idea [TS]

  ok you need contention things and yet added functionality [TS]

  different ways you press on them yeah I think though it's interesting and has a [TS]

  couple of you know before the couple of ideas that you clearly somebody who's [TS]

  seen what they're tinkering with has spilled this time you know that that if [TS]

  you force touch on an icon on the home screen that you'll get like a menu of [TS]

  options of what to do with the app you know that you know that you could jump [TS]

  to something within the app so you could like just on the homescreen forced touch [TS]

  this is an example that there may be forced touch on the phone up and you'll [TS]

  get an option that would let you jump right to voicemail [TS]

  they don't have to launch the app you know enough that even easier but anyway [TS]

  that's what he said but he doesn't really have a lot though about what [TS]

  they're gonna do it for stylish how it's gonna work yeah yeah and it's you know [TS]

  it's just interesting how far down the chain you know his sources are because [TS]

  somebody with an Apple knows everything about it and I think they've done [TS]

  actually a reasonably good job of keeping it under wraps it hasn't there [TS]

  hasn't been any no screenshots know and I know government has said though that [TS]

  it's both considered using this for stuff in different ways right like the [TS]

  MacBooks it's a physical thing where you you press it and it gives you this fall [TS]

  since fall sensation that there's a physical click on the watch [TS]

  it doesn't feel like it clicks it just yet [TS]

  uses the tactic in Germany doesn't feel like the screen clicks it feels like the [TS]

  watch itself is yeah it just gives you a tap it doesn't feel like the screen [TS]

  clicks I i wonder you know which way and it doesn't seem clear to me from the [TS]

  rumors and I'm glad I'm kind of excited to find out where it's like which way [TS]

  the phones are gonna work is it just gonna be like once in awhile you forced [TS]

  app and the phone will give you a vibration to let you know that yes that [TS]

  registered as a phone tap which is i think what's more likely because it [TS]

  seems simpler or is it going to be more like the MacBook keyboard where when you [TS]

  click buttons on this screen feels like the screen is clicking where you typed [TS]

  it yeah which would be kind of amazing but I'm almost like that's what I'm [TS]

  hoping for but I almost feel and that's what I would hope for it to ya but I [TS]

  feel like I'm hoping you know you know to hit the lottery you know I mean I [TS]

  don't feel like that's a realistic hope that maybe I wonder if that the [TS]

  thickness is related to that screen or if the thicknesses is more battery well [TS]

  but the rumor began you know we're all dependent on government here but I think [TS]

  it was government at least two who says that the batteries are actually smaller [TS]

  now that could just you know that they're actually fewer yeah and actually [TS]

  less power [TS]

  yes slightly whatever that what the metric for batteries megawatt hours [TS]

  whatever it is [TS]

  you know those numbers that are like in the 1800 2000 that they're actually a [TS]

  little smaller and both phones but that could be though you could be the same [TS]

  thing that to fit the forced screen in there and whatever else they're fitting [TS]

  in left less room for battery so they made a little thicker so they could at [TS]

  least they could if they hadn't made it thicker than the battery would even be [TS]

  smaller than the actual decrease that they're going to do right [TS]

  yeah they had to decrease the battery because of whatever else they're putting [TS]

  in there and if they hadn't made a little thicker they would have had to [TS]

  make it even more of a drop here are you in though the more battery camp because [TS]

  there is a big sort of surge of people within the last year [TS]

  enough with making them dinner just make the battery last longer [TS]

  yeah yeah I think if they ask me I would rather have the iPhone seven not [TS]

  decrease in in fact here I'm just looking at 9 to 5 Mac there's actually a [TS]

  report here [TS]

  Gallagher minutes they're reporting on Ming Chih Kuo who knows you know they're [TS]

  KGI analyst over in asia who's a pretty good supply chain sources he says that [TS]

  next year's phone which you know would according to plans BRR to tradition be [TS]

  the iPhone seven is going to be as thin as the iPhone iPod Touches that's [TS]

  actually been that's actually been the case all along it maybe not exactly to [TS]

  the tenth of a millimeter but at least in general [TS]

  every inch of the way that after the first round the the ice even from the [TS]

  original even the original iPod touch was thinner than the iPhone iPhone have [TS]

  always gotten next generation iPhones have always been as thick as the iPod [TS]

  touches that came out before the current iPhone 6 is then as the iPod Touch and [TS]

  so when the iPod touch that the current design came out you know the one that [TS]

  originally came with the wristband wrist strap attachment [TS]

  that was when the iPhone 5 came out and I remember I've said this before I was [TS]

  no number was there so the iPhone 5 came out and was really nice I think I'd [TS]

  still like my favorite hardware design really really nice but it came out [TS]

  alongside those iPod touches and I remember the press event was around MGC [TS]

  whether we that the table with the iPhones was super crowded three-deep [TS]

  everybody wanted to end and these people are dead line at these events are always [TS]

  very room where the everybody wants to get pictures right and so when you read [TS]

  these reports and from home of people at the oppressed people at the cement and [TS]

  their showing pictures from the hands-on area they're usually good photos in the [TS]

  people taking the photos are pretty good at framing but it's it's actually the [TS]

  behind the scenes there if you're there it's actually really like a lot of [TS]

  jostling to get everybody else's hand away you know so that they can get a [TS]

  shot of just the phone and make it look nice and you know it's actually it [TS]

  really it's it I just wait wait until you know clears out and so AM G and I [TS]

  went over to the iPod table because it was mostly clear and we had been a [TS]

  couple seconds with the iPhone 5 and we're both excited about it looks right [TS]

  and we looked at this iPod holy crap is this thing you know we didn't even get [TS]

  to use the new iPhone 5 yet and we were already like kind of disappointed by how [TS]

  that goes because these iPods are some that and that but that's how thin the [TS]

  iPhone 6 was two years later and so it's always been the case and now the chico [TS]

  is seen in next year's is going to be as you know even thinner [TS]

  and so that's the way Apple rolls but I'm with you I would rather have them [TS]

  just say this is done enough and just fill it with a tree so I'm actually not [TS]

  in that camp and will not necessarily I get enough battery life I don't go [TS]

  anywhere if I have enough battery life to get through the day and charged with [TS]

  the watch so I don't usually have much more problem and if I do go someplace [TS]

  I'm usually driving my car I just played in the car [TS]

  yeah I will say that I was and I will say to I don't feel strongly about it [TS]

  because I'm trying to remember the last time i phone died before the end of the [TS]

  day and it might it might actually be the case that it was a previous iPhone [TS]

  that I've never once not gotten through the day as you're with my i phone sex I [TS]

  think I think the problem is more the incidences instance they have that are [TS]

  somehow software caused because occasionally the phone will just [TS]

  inexplicably start losing battery like crazy like one day I wake up and it'll [TS]

  just be much training much faster than it did the previous day for no apparent [TS]

  reason and usually just rebooting the phone up more or it clears up on its own [TS]

  for some reason that I them so I think it processes better or what it is but [TS]

  there's some there's some software related thing that's what the problem [TS]

  than the than the battery size and you know one reason I've been able to get [TS]

  through the year without never ever one time in my phone died by the end of the [TS]

  day is that when I anticipate that i'm gonna be using it heavily and bandwidth [TS]

  or in a battery draining situation leads disney world is perfect example had a [TS]

  different world I take a most asset stand-alone movie pack with me and you [TS]

  know to me that's a reasonable tradeoff so I don't feel strongly about it you [TS]

  know so but you do think you think it apples right to keep making them why [TS]

  wouldn't I know I mean I think what would be right as what is the moral [TS]

  most users and I don't really know which one that is though is that the only [TS]

  thing that I ever looked when I looked at Android phones over the years the [TS]

  only thing that I was ever covetous of was dinner was the ones that were super [TS]

  them and so this phone is now I feel that the six is to be smaller across [TS]

  gonna get that this year I asked sure about that on state rate [TS]

  misremembered if I didn't I wanted to the battery the battery thing yeah yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah I think he did yeah and I seem to recall is the answer was there wasn't [TS]

  really a concrete block [TS]

  XYZ therefore they get there it's more or less you know we're trying to do both [TS]

  well I think it was a very polite way of saying that I was wrong and I believe [TS]

  him you know me like they know like the he's got access to information and i i [TS]

  do think part of it too is it is a factor it's a lust factor right which is [TS]

  there in the business of selling new iPhones that's the business right and [TS]

  part of that a huge part is to keep iPhone users happy so that they come [TS]

  back and buy another one and so obviously that it is a balancing act as [TS]

  they don't want to make it so crazy then that everybody's batteries died in which [TS]

  case you know people would believe it would be a very likely reason that would [TS]

  make someone's which is if they really felt like the battery was dying every [TS]

  day so they don't want to avoid that but I think a huge factor though is that [TS]

  showroom appeal that you're in there you go and how Apple Store you think maybe [TS]

  I'll buy a new iPhone and then you see it [TS]

  and it fills your heart with that last and then all of a sudden you're walking [TS]

  you don't even remember what happened you walking out have a new iPhone in the [TS]

  batteries [TS]

  that's obviously that is that's that's part of the appeal to the car [TS]

  those crazy cool phones from luper member do you see I have seen over the [TS]

  phone just a piece of glass just class just a piece of glass and when you clear [TS]

  when you turn it off and you turn it on it and the screen fills up that it was [TS]

  against st. you know literally could not be thinner but you wouldn't want it any [TS]

  less it was like paper like it could be thinner unless it was more like an index [TS]

  card class you know I think you know clearly that's where we're heading and [TS]

  how we get there but there is is unavoidable I guess what I would say is [TS]

  I think Apple maybe you should just [TS]

  if I were if they wanted my advice maybe dial back on that a little bit better [TS]

  life but the only way forward with a new iPhones forced touch 3d display touch [TS]

  display that our camera so my thought too I've said this before but my thought [TS]

  if my dream comes true and and the taps you feeling when you press it would be [TS]

  that that you can actually feel the keyboard when you're typing like I again [TS]

  that sounds to me too good to be true but that would be cool off that would be [TS]

  added seems awful fine bright and really fast rate would have to be you know it [TS]

  is to be to be useful at all it would have to have like no latency yes every [TS]

  you some Android phone that vibrates when you type no yeah I've I think my [TS]

  Nexus whatever [TS]

  I don't have to like latest and greatest Nexus over a year old Nexus that I [TS]

  bought you know just a no no I didn't buy the Nexus i buy the Motorola one [TS]

  with the win back whenever it's called I don't remember it when you type on it I [TS]

  get an option you can obviously turn it off when you type on it vibrates with [TS]

  each tap and it does a very good job of not falling behind but I I just don't [TS]

  find it to be useful I don't know why but if there but if it was local [TS]

  localize right where if I felt like I was actually clicking the key or a [TS]

  screen that would be that would be awesome as possible I sure hope so what [TS]

  else is coming out of the phone now why you ask why why do I think they made it [TS]

  the color you see the report did you see the video where the one guy the baseball [TS]

  cap guy you know I mean he's like the unboxing Joe I think his name is on [TS]

  boxer Joe he's a youtuber and he always wears a baseball cap backwards and he's [TS]

  the guy who kind of got the whole been gate thing rolling last year when he [TS]

  bent he's the guy bent the phone with us here and somehow he procured what was [TS]

  claimed to be a iphone success [TS]

  frame just the aluminum part we had a very you know kind of happened here but [TS]

  he had a really good video free ticket to like a serious like you know [TS]

  engineering shop and they like tested the the use some kind of fancy equipment [TS]

  to test the aluminum prove that it's a new season series aluminum right I had [TS]

  heard that part it heard that part but I did not know that came from there [TS]

  yeah I'm box therapy is his name and that's kinda mean they did that with the [TS]

  improved the materials between the five of the 5s as well yeah I think so too [TS]

  but my five my head [TS]

  the space grey 5 [TS]

  scratched the hell but not so with this group of us [TS]

  yeah so he put that in the show notes hopefully be here that has an [TS]

  interesting video and it almost certainly is a legit [TS]

  how this stuff you know somebody smuggled out of it factory on Foxconn [TS]

  and somehow senator and but he also stress tested it in like measured how [TS]

  many foot pounds of force text actually been the frame and it's enormously more [TS]

  durable than iPhone 66 + iPad pros me that I want government says that they're [TS]

  going to keep both the six and the six plus in the lineup you know that which I [TS]

  think makes sense I think you know and it's also widely reported you know [TS]

  because there's none of these supply chain links you know it's it's almost [TS]

  the lack of of of leaks of six see plastic succeed which you and I were [TS]

  thinking they would do [TS]

  hoping they would do but I've given up all hope on that because clearly I mean [TS]

  there's no way I think they're going to do the most obvious thing possible which [TS]

  is what they've done every other year other than that five senior is just move [TS]

  last year's phone down and the fact there were two last year it just means [TS]

  there's two now this year you know that you can choose the four point seven [TS]

  incher the 5.5 inches maybe next year no I don't think so I I don't think even [TS]

  next year really yeah I've come around often change my mind [TS]

  think that the four inch phones are gone forever [TS]

  well there was there was even a rumor though that they were in this was just [TS]

  like a prototype but they had a 3.5 inch phone that they were going on I heard [TS]

  that I'm surprised [TS]

  I don't think so though I just don't see him doing that I'm not surprised that [TS]

  they tinkered with it but I don't know I just kind of my gut feeling I hope I'm [TS]

  wrong I do I still do hope I'm wrong I would love to see them come out with a [TS]

  new foreign phone or even smaller but I probably would not buy small but I'd be [TS]

  very tempted to buy a new foreign good specs but I get this year specks in a [TS]

  foreign phone I would definitely over right I wouldn't hesitate either but I [TS]

  think the problem that you won't get this respect to get last year's yeah [TS]

  they do the best that we can hope for is to together to get a last year specs [TS]

  smaller size they got a new the supposedly the new rose gold color I'm [TS]

  not surprised that the only time the only time that I have been tempted by [TS]

  actually thought that I should I got a different color it was the five [TS]

  partially because like I said the spacecraft 16 like crazy and I also just [TS]

  really liked that shape in the in the white color but I know we repeat [TS]

  ourselves here but I the space grey one NIC NIC really easily [TS]

  the first couple annex annoyed me and then once it kind of all gods cuffed up [TS]

  I thought it really look good like tennis star wars you know you know you [TS]

  know I thought it you know I get no way that your jeans look good after you you [TS]

  know one of a couple times you know I don't know I thought it had like a cool [TS]

  you know I don't know sure something and Apple is dying hearing that because they [TS]

  may not look like much but I don't know that I'll be shooting for it looks good [TS]

  think so either [TS]

  you know but my original iPhones and their crazy too [TS]

  you know but my original iPhones and their crazy too [TS]

  Gulf then what else with I Pfizer anything else with ivana we expect [TS]

  things to me I think the big stuff is other things right and this is the [TS]

  turkey or so it's gonna be same form factor and just like you know possibly [TS]

  the series this year is the first such tough yeah I said I think I guess a wild [TS]

  card would be whether there's like a serious big worth bragging about [TS]

  improvement to the camera but I'm not really expecting that I just feel like [TS]

  you know they'll be some kind of improvement whether it's mega pixels or [TS]

  something but I don't think it'll be like a great leap forward [TS]

  yeah I talked months ago maybe even a year ago where I had heard from as they [TS]

  say a little birdie that Apple was working on a thing with two camera [TS]

  system which I don't really understand the physics of and I've read some pieces [TS]

  from people speculating about how that would work and it is fascinating to me [TS]

  but the basic gist is that there'd be a camera a camera that has two lenses [TS]

  right next to each other so sort of like sort of like I guess it'd be closer [TS]

  though a bit like it would just be two circles right next to each other and [TS]

  that somehow it's one is focusing farmland focusing near and then somehow [TS]

  it it gives amazing results in the resulting image SLR quality photos and I [TS]

  said I think when I think I wrote about it now [TS]

  podcast about it I said the next iPhone and I i didnt mean this year's I didn't [TS]

  mean that it was the device something for the success I met the next iPhone [TS]

  like the next iPhone form factor because I don't think that that sort of thing [TS]

  they would ever do in the last year because it it would break like the rules [TS]

  of this year like that s your rules are that it's supposed to fit in last year's [TS]

  cases in which I guess is interesting if it is thicker like you said like how [TS]

  many cases will still fit the phone and general ACMA chairman seem to think that [TS]

  it should still yeah because it's not that much thicker yeah it sounds like [TS]

  it's you know like like [TS]

  think the difference in thickness you really would have to like take out [TS]

  calibers and measure it that you could do it with her hands do you do you think [TS]

  they're gonna have trouble going past last year's numbers because last year's [TS]

  numbers are so huge in because they had pent-up demand for of people who wanted [TS]

  a larger phone I i think that that's probably true I think and I just feel [TS]

  like the anecdotal explanation that you just gave just basic you know lots of [TS]

  people had heard that they were going to do a bigger phone for a long enough you [TS]

  know like that rumor was over a year old and you know it's weird it's weird way [TS]

  that like regular people know about Apple rumors out there now because [TS]

  people would ask me you know advances Apple really gonna do a bigger phone and [TS]

  the fact that people were asking me that was like the people really do want their [TS]

  phones and I think you're right that there's an awful lot of people who put [TS]

  off buying an iPhone that overly inflated last year's iPhone sales ya [TS]

  think I think people held off long enough that it's not the kind of thing [TS]

  where the contract is gonna be the issue like so it's not like ok well yeah but [TS]

  there were those people last year but there's a whole set of new people just [TS]

  came back on track for this year [TS]

  yeah I also think that there may be my be tough to meet the cells that they [TS]

  didn't China I don't know that they're growing so fast into a bit of felt like [TS]

  last year was the year they were where they really exploded in China and that [TS]

  if there was pent-up demand they sold crazy big numbers to meet them and that [TS]

  they might have trouble doing a bit maybe under estimating just how many [TS]

  just how many truly like maybe like tens of millions of first-time iPhone buyers [TS]

  there are going to expand enjoy it that's kind of what I think will happen [TS]

  to the economy there is concern but it seems like they they haven't talked out [TS]

  there yet [TS]

  like there they did run up past Jeremy Wright yeah like in this second order I [TS]

  want to say but [TS]

  but they're still they were still had good growth but they weren't big enough [TS]

  in China to the point where they actually like saturated it yeah and the [TS]

  weird thing to about the economy being week is that I think it might affect [TS]

  everything other than phones first because phones and turned into this [TS]

  weird thing that everybody has one thinks is essential [TS]

  rate like so the economy goes bad and like vacation resorts offer because [TS]

  that's one thing people do like if you know their their investments have gone [TS]

  down or you know if taking a pay cut or small business owner in the business is [TS]

  down you'd cut back on vacations radar you cut back on jewelry or you know all [TS]

  sorts of things that when the economy is bad definitely suffer but I feel like [TS]

  phones maybe or maybe not immune to it but our strong resistance to it because [TS]

  people even if the economy is bad and you're cutting back in other areas if [TS]

  you need a new phone you're still getting a new phone and if you're gonna [TS]

  get a new phone you're gonna get the one you want yeah I think so I don't know I [TS]

  feel like you know and I you know I thought it was really really telling [TS]

  that Tim Cook had that public statement to jimmy cramer CNBC the other two other [TS]

  week that gonna go to jail I guess there is a good 30 get get fined I don't know [TS]

  I cook seems like such a cautious person late Steve Jobs is the type of person [TS]

  who if he wanted to do is going to do it and then figure out you know and [TS]

  infamously really did get into trouble with the backdating of the stock options [TS]

  right I was I guess you know there was pretty bad [TS]

  Tim Cook is so deliberate or at least he seems to be there I would I would be [TS]

  very surprised if that hadn't been vetted by Apple's you know like SEC [TS]

  compliance lawyers like [TS]

  it just seems to me like from what I can tell Tim Cook's personally he wanted to [TS]

  do that he called up you know whether it was their general counsel you know you [TS]

  probably just called the General Counsel guy and then said here's what I want to [TS]

  do you know here's the you know the exact email Jim Cramer wanna do it [TS]

  tomorrow at 9 a.m. is this ok I would be very surprised if he didn't now just [TS]

  because one lawyer Apple's looks at it [TS]

  find that doesn't mean you know there's been a lot of cases worst you know one [TS]

  lawyer saying it's ok doesn't mean that but I haven't seen anything that anybody [TS]

  is looking into it right I saw its just idle speculation that right now what's [TS]

  the gist of the rule that just the rule is that I don't know I don't know [TS]

  something something something about giving information any information that [TS]

  you give that would be of interest to some investors have to give doll by so [TS]

  that you know that sounds right [TS]

  sure right so you know obviously the the worst example would be if Tim Cook just [TS]

  called Jim Cramer up on the phone is it just between me n you well well yeah ok [TS]

  great you know it's unlikely I mean jim cramer is a you know a journalist but [TS]

  he's a guy who does talks about this show so you think talking to him it [TS]

  seems like he's the point is to get it out there that's what's worse is when [TS]

  you call your buddy yeah your friends yeah so that obviously that's what it's [TS]

  meant to 222 that's what the laws in place for but that there's people have [TS]

  gotten in trouble for the Netflix CEO get in trouble for a blog post where he [TS]

  posted stuff against blog post wasn't officially unable to eat or something [TS]

  you know it sounds that sounds vaguely familiar but somehow it there's [TS]

  certainly wasn't considered public right [TS]

  opt-in to follow it like a press release that goes on [TS]

  out on the official Presswire which is weird because it's actually that's [TS]

  actually something that you know normal people don't access but all of the media [TS]

  do and it's assume then that everybody is equal access to the media somehow [TS]

  that ghetto but that's okay it's just that like tweets had never been okayed [TS]

  by the SEC before and that their respective only in a certain people have [TS]

  access to Twitter because your cell phone and whatever it yeah so you wanna [TS]

  talk about the Apple TV I do but I take a break here is another one of our [TS]

  friends and this time it is our good friend automatic these are the guys who [TS]

  make that connected car adapter a little dongle I love saying that plugs into [TS]

  your car's diagnostic port I think it's like every car since 1997 but it's [TS]

  somewhere around there it's like every corner of recent vintage has one of [TS]

  these ports and it's a standard port which is really kind of cool you know [TS]

  like the way that like USB the standard port and HDMI just an airport where [TS]

  there's a car diagnostic port it's like underneath the dash board somewhere in [TS]

  your car and that's when you go to your dealer or to mechanic you know your car [TS]

  as I got that light up and says like you're due for service a to you go in [TS]

  there they did that with a plug their stuff into it and it tells them you know [TS]

  what it's saying that you know you royal filter replacement or whatever [TS]

  well you can access to that and that's what are america's whites is really cool [TS]

  thing you just plug it in to that diagnostic port and then it uses [TS]

  Bluetooth you know talk to their app which is on your iPhone and it just [TS]

  tells you so if you ever get one of those weird things like service you know [TS]

  a fiver I don't even know what that things are you worried like what the [TS]

  hell that means that in a routine as is my car ready to break it automatically [TS]

  explained you in plain English exactly what's going on and it even let you [TS]

  clear the light if if you want to see you don't have to get annoyed by that [TS]

  every time you start the car up [TS]

  really cool gives you a log of your trips it uses the GPS on your phone so [TS]

  that when your car it will remember where you were parked it's like anything [TS]

  it just turns your car into a smart card really really cool even [TS]

  can even score you on your driving so if you're like me and you have a Leadfoot [TS]

  I'll just tell you driving too fast John I mean that's really what it'll do you [TS]

  have a kind of mileage again tells you if you drive in a style that's gonna get [TS]

  you good mileage I just amazingly cool stuff they added a new thing they're [TS]

  calling it the App Store for your car and there's over 20 apps available [TS]

  within their thing and it allows you to use your car's data in all kinds of ways [TS]

  so you can hook it up to nast so that your thermostat [TS]

  I mean this is like series is like science fiction stuff you can have your [TS]

  air conditioning turned on when you get within five miles of your house or [TS]

  whatever you want [TS]

  amazing stuff like that if this then that integration with all sorts of ways [TS]

  to to let you do stuff based automatically on this card information [TS]

  coming out of her car just really great really find it seems like something that [TS]

  would be built into your cars but it's actually kind of cool that you can do [TS]

  with automatic it's a standard port so you don't have to like depend on like [TS]

  your car maker making an app for your phone you just use automatics and it's [TS]

  really good these guys know what they're doing is really good design and [TS]

  everything like that sounds too good to be true almost but it's great i think is [TS]

  really cool you can check out the apps automatic dot com slash apps you want to [TS]

  buy it it's just a hundred bucks $99.95 but you get 20% off by using this URL [TS]

  automatic dot com slash the talk show these guys have their act together and [TS]

  gave me the code right there [TS]

  / of the talk show you save 20% off thats 20 bucks so you get this thing for [TS]

  80 bucks it ships in two days and they have a 45 day return policy so forty [TS]

  five days later 44 days later you say these things don't like it it's not [TS]

  since you just send it back you get your money back [TS]

  nobody's gonna do that cuz it's cool to have it in their cars like you've got [TS]

  kit [TS]

  well except for the power doesn't doesn't give you that so anyway go to [TS]

  automatic dot com slash the talk show you'll save 20% 80 bucks and you'll get [TS]

  this really cool thing for your card if you haven't gone awry just go do it it's [TS]

  really cool so what else I think there's going to be apple TV tomorrow tomorrow [TS]

  Wednesday when I sure did five years is that right [TS]

  remember correctly I think that the one that I think they heard the third [TS]

  generation is later as it's just five years in that form factor may be yeah [TS]

  but what did the third one I know that it has faster more memory and the second [TS]

  one its [TS]

  1080 1080p that of 721 only 720 think so well that that's kinda gross that's what [TS]

  I have [TS]

  well known as funny as I have the new Apple TV but I have a 720p TVs which I [TS]

  don't mind I got 7720 eyes done by the way don't everybody don't tell my son [TS]

  that are devious 7 2000 thing is I really it's probably one of the most [TS]

  beloved possessions I have is a pioneer plasma TV and I got 720 instead of 1086 [TS]

  it all really but I still love it cuz i luv plasma I love the color of plasma [TS]

  and I did the math calculator will you can I get a tape measure and measured [TS]

  where I said and where our TV is in our house and there's nowhere else is no way [TS]

  to rearrange your TV is that we've got one place where we could put it and we [TS]

  were well within the range of you see the difference between 720 and 1080 so I [TS]

  just save the money and the 720 but it's just seems gross what seems gross to me [TS]

  as having an Apple TV that can't do it any justice just the thought of it [TS]

  crosses a little but it just seems it just seems like antiquated and in any [TS]

  other year apart so so the the most recent one was introduced in March of [TS]

  2012 prior one was March 2011 so that makes sense and I know I still have the [TS]

  old my second one upstairs on a TV that we almost never watch but it's it [TS]

  doesn't have the new software update it still has the a dozen yeah well it [TS]

  doesn't take ya so I've got the interface they'd actually never even [TS]

  seen the new one [TS]

  least not in use [TS]

  latest and greatest yeah sure you know I think this is really excited about this [TS]

  for the amine to become dying for one of these forever ok so we know that there's [TS]

  a new Apple TV and we know that they're gonna do don't know now but everybody [TS]

  says store for that fullest and there's rumors about a new controller and we [TS]

  know a little bit about the controller supposedly that its I got touchpad I [TS]

  guess like I got some physical buttons and also some sort of like a trackpad [TS]

  so you know by all the reports that I've seen I know a lot of people for so long [TS]

  have said whenever we speculate new Apple TV Zune I've always been going on [TS]

  they gotta get rid of this piece of shit room they gotta do something about this [TS]

  goddamn remote and everybody always says to me I know what the new the next Apple [TS]

  TV remote is it's going to be your iPhone you did use your iPhone as a [TS]

  remote and it to me that's that's a good story you're already can use that remote [TS]

  which I don't like I know some people do I just don't I never every other than [TS]

  women like if I have to enter a password but usually when I have to enter [TS]

  password it's the wifi password and you can enter the wifi password if I guess [TS]

  you can I think they might have done something or no its a keyboard you can [TS]

  do like a physical beauty which is actually a cool cool that's actually a [TS]

  cool thing if you know about it you're setting up a new album the old apple [TS]

  right now just to see that the first run experiences like you can hook up a [TS]

  Bluetooth your Apple Bluetooth keyboard I guess I need to keep her to it and [TS]

  then enter your wifi password that way which is easier than that up down left [TS]

  right [TS]

  nonsense so I iPhone is Apple TV remote I mean maybe those who have a nap but [TS]

  it's no good you cannot sell it and then tell people that you have to get a run [TS]

  out and buy an iPod I 600 a hundred and then have one that in the living room at [TS]

  all times right so even if Lake a family the two parents and they both have [TS]

  iPhones [TS]

  he can't say that you have to have one of those iPhones in front of the TV [TS]

  certificate wants it works TV you know one of the parents has to give up their [TS]

  iPhone it's crazy you know what just by your kid a $200 iPod touch you can't [TS]

  sell a $200 remote control to $150 box while the one reason I mean other than [TS]

  the keypad part the one thing that I like about the remote app is that the [TS]

  remote is always in my pocket more on my wrist now whereas you know you try and [TS]

  find one of those things I yes I make it will just turn something on you just sit [TS]

  on the couch and then and then you know five minutes later it's stuck in the [TS]

  cushions [TS]

  kids sit real close to TV video games [TS]

  sure that's why I don't want you to know who is 720 because he's gay he's young [TS]

  and he's so he's got great eyes for how long [TS]

  given how close it's the TV but he said close enough these were absolutely [TS]

  positively within range where he would be able to see the difference between 7 [TS]

  2010 yeah I just keep waiting for him to get these gotta go over the other kids [TS]

  houses and see right and I don't think I'm gonna be able to sell him on the [TS]

  advantages of plasma vs you know plasma 72 iced I really firmly truly a hundred [TS]

  percent my heart believe that I like a 720p plasma and the fact that I sit far [TS]

  enough away always that I I know that I wouldn't see the difference i mean you [TS]

  know what I screwed up anyway so there's no way I would see the difference but I [TS]

  know that he would show them what we mean your kid I remember sitting close [TS]

  to TV to play at re and my parents would yell at me every time and make me move [TS]

  back into wrecked your eyes and I remember this is one of those things [TS]

  right file this away my head as they don't know anything they don't know this [TS]

  they're not optometrists you know they don't show me the evidence that sitting [TS]

  close you know close to a book when I read it I can I suppose to TV so I filed [TS]

  it away in my head that when I'm a parent I'm not gonna do that and I've [TS]

  stuck to that [TS]

  I don't i I will sometimes questioned him hey are you sure you wanna sit that [TS]

  close [TS]

  yeah he says I started doing that simply because that's what I heard and then I [TS]

  thought wait a minute this is not a mean first of all he's sitting close to a [TS]

  cathode ray tube i think is a little different the city closed so there's [TS]

  there's nothing like some radiation coming it's a flat just like liquid [TS]

  crystal not worried I'm worried I'm going to Google is after the show and [TS]

  its gonna say yes sitting close to the cathode ray do is shown it specifically [TS]

  leads to retinal detachments later in life and like holy shit is my fault and [TS]

  stabbing yourself and yeah it's falling down the stairs holy shit though does my [TS]

  kids TV thanks thanks I that's a great so he said see offensive close the TV [TS]

  and and and whatever his plane so but that has nothing to do with like needing [TS]

  just liked it so well that's why yeah I mean I think that's why I always did too [TS]

  yeah well it fills your fills your field of vision you know that experience right [TS]

  that's effectively you have a bigger display that way especially like with [TS]

  games which are experienced it you know what is now I sit with the way that our [TS]

  living rooms arranged the couch really has to be a certain distance away from [TS]

  the television and i've sat on the couch and held my iPad up and my iPad is [TS]

  closer to build feels more larger area than the TV and the team is nuts bolts [TS]

  42 inches it's not huge either but it's but it's big and yet if I still have my [TS]

  iPad it's actually a better option [TS]

  but I'll have a duty on the new Apple TV [TS]

  yeah but I'm a new remote where the Apple TV but nobody really knows [TS]

  anything about what this is going to be like which is super cool to me like you [TS]

  know what is the basic just like we don't really know much more than we knew [TS]

  that you know bob bob was gonna make a phone I guess we know a little more [TS]

  because we know that this remote is supposedly like a little touch pad and [TS]

  we didn't even know the iPhone had a touch screen right but it's it's close [TS]

  to that level of who knows what they're going to do and what the interfaces [TS]

  gonna be like great its I don't know I'm really excited I really open it they've [TS]

  they've got like a big wow and yeah and I read about this I really dislike I [TS]

  think the stakes are higher for them with this then with the watch I think [TS]

  that the watch I think this needs that they need to do a better job with this [TS]

  then they did with the watch and that the stakes are higher as if the if it's [TS]

  a mediocre product I feel like they're it it's not gonna do as well as they [TS]

  needed to do and it can get back to what I said a while ago on the show we're [TS]

  talking about watches that the watch kind of because it piggybacks on the [TS]

  phone if you have a phony wanna go SmartWatch you get together to watch and [TS]

  so they've got like a home-field advantage there whereas there's a little [TS]

  bit of that with the Apple TV where if you're in the ecosystem if if you [TS]

  already have an iTunes kept everybody has an iTunes account right I mean who [TS]

  doesn't I guess kids you know teenagers have never gotten into buying music but [TS]

  you know as iTunes account and if you've already bought a bunch of movies and TV [TS]

  shows you know there's some motivation [TS]

  to get out of TV but its to me it's nowhere near as tied to that you know [TS]

  that if you own an iPhone even if you own an iPhone and Apple watching you [TS]

  have a macbook there's nothing stopping you from buying rocky you or any of [TS]

  these other boxes [TS]

  whereas and many many most anyway have multiple yes oh and I but I kind of feel [TS]

  like the race is on to make the box right and it doesn't necessary even if [TS]

  you're really staunch fan of Apple stuff that doesn't mean it's going to be the [TS]

  Apple TV unless the Apple TV is great it has to be great for it to succeed [TS]

  yeah that's the on and that's exciting to me you know where as I feel like with [TS]

  the watch the watch didn't have to be great for it to succeed pretty good if [TS]

  it if it is pretty good it'll do pretty good whereas I feel like without the TV [TS]

  if it's only pretty good it's only been in the do pretty good in terms of sales [TS]

  ya like it really has to be great so the one of the key remote is supposedly [TS]

  search which has been problematic for ever you want to watch something but you [TS]

  don't know where you think so you do you think they're gonna do that well that's [TS]

  one of the things that they're talking i mean that's what I hope so I certainly [TS]

  hope so and then you know and then time Syrian of that you know me or whatever [TS]

  right [TS]

  find me six feet deep something you know and seriously as you can get it here [TS]

  here here weird streaming over here i mean you know it seems like those guys [TS]

  they have to tie into it so I don't know maybe it's a difficult sell because a [TS]

  lot of them don't necessarily wanna be in that level of competition is it [TS]

  really really kind of kid can screw you if your deals in quite as good as [TS]

  somebody else [TS]

  and the end it seems like the apps need to and I mean it's obvious the apps have [TS]

  to look into that in order to be able to allow them to do that I i think though [TS]

  that most would or at least enough of the big ones would write the ones who [TS]

  are already partners without parole so for example that Netflix Hulu HBO just [TS]

  to name a couple of them right and again Apple TV to date has been what I think [TS]

  that they thought they were going to the the No App Store camp thought they would [TS]

  do with the iPhone where they have these partners and there's you know now there [TS]

  at this point there's lots and lots of channels are absurd everyone called him [TS]

  on the current Apple TV but they're all done in partnership by there's no way [TS]

  like so-and-so for example the conspicuous absence is conspicuously [TS]

  absent as Amazon see if you have Amazon Prime you need another box you cannot [TS]

  you know there's no way to do it now [TS]

  whereas once the app store comes out presumably out Amazon will be able to [TS]

  write an app for the Apple TV and even if Apple and Amazon never work out their [TS]

  own special deal AB stored in the same way that you can watch Amazon Prime on [TS]

  your iPad and so is it your view that it's Apple controlling that rather than [TS]

  Amazon not wanting to be on the Apple TV so I I think so yeah I think I I'm [TS]

  guessing that Amazon would but I think it I think that the way that the two [TS]

  companies don't like each other you know [TS]

  yeah and I assert that it was the other way around that the Amazon so we want to [TS]

  go out and buy out fires but I don't think so because boy you can get Amazon [TS]

  just about every other box if you if you I'm not sure that you can even find a [TS]

  box that doesn't have talked about we talked about this on the rebound damping [TS]

  so it's probably wrong [TS]

  yeah I think so I think it's apples but it's certainly on enough that it there I [TS]

  think we have a hero I don't know what the hell kind crap you write these apps [TS]

  on [TS]

  TV when you when you switch it or we have a really new Devo to it it's like [TS]

  the top of the line Dhabi when you launch the Amazon thing it's like the [TS]

  screen like zaps out the TV when I and I don't know it just feels like it was I [TS]

  might even be around making this up that it's a great shock wave or something [TS]

  like that it really feels like and it's not it's not high def [TS]

  it's it's a standard death so bad anyway I don't think I would have a hard time [TS]

  at least with like people who they would want to promote on stage like Netflix [TS]

  and Hulu and and HBO to get them to to open up the search right why wouldn't [TS]

  you want why wouldn't I mean I just saw a reason Netflix with one that's right [TS]

  yeah yeah because everything is free no additional cost anyway it's just it I [TS]

  would like it if it's the difference between although Amazon sells for less [TS]

  than half of those yeah it seems so the universal search then I know I've I know [TS]

  he's talked about it shows he's a million times but like it just so every [TS]

  time it happens to me I always think of Marilyn Marilyn man cuz I just know it's [TS]

  the sort of thing that drives me crazy so let's say you sit down with your [TS]

  family and your gonna agreed to watch Caddyshack or whatever [TS]

  pick a family in a good family movie like that and you search for Caddyshack [TS]

  but you have to search in and let's watch it for free and Netflix and you go [TS]

  to Netflix and ends at Netflix doesn't have Caddyshack but you just end and you [TS]

  said they're typing in on the remote right this ridiculous little up down [TS]

  left right remote that is not even using Bluetooth you have to point to god damn [TS]

  infrared rays and then you get all the way to do this and ends up they don't [TS]

  have Caddyshack [TS]

  and then you go back and you go and then they have to do to start the search [TS]

  again in the iTunes store to get it from iTunes you have to type it all over [TS]

  again it doesn't even know does not like universal search remember your something [TS]

  so the idea that you could just say finally Caddyshack and it'll show you [TS]

  all of your options you know for how to watch Caddyshack right now including hit [TS]

  here and you can start streaming it for free on that puts it would be fantastic [TS]

  in fact I want you like it has to do that if it doesn't it doesn't have a [TS]

  disappointment I know that the Amazon device does that to a certain degree but [TS]

  I think it kinda prioritizes Amazon's yeah it's like it's free someplace else [TS]

  their stuff still shows up when you get here you would be surprised of apples [TS]

  that too if offerings first but yeah I mean yeah I'll stripe down the couple [TS]

  times to put sure I i i'd I feel like in in general because it's been so long [TS]

  since I've had a serious update Apple TV I feel like we're actually being [TS]

  reasonable by demanding this yes general I tried to be reasonable in my [TS]

  expectations and the whole idea that you know famous are you know it's you gonna [TS]

  have to see at least 50 articles by the end of the week that say there's not [TS]

  enough in the iPhone's success to make make people up grave from the Apple [TS]

  right not enough to does not have reasons to upgrade from last year's [TS]

  iPhone therefore it's a failure whereas the whole point is normal people don't [TS]

  upgrade didn't buy a new phone every year you know I feel though that you [TS]

  know with the Apple TV it really does have to be enough that makes everybody [TS]

  already has an Apple TV wanna [TS]

  upgrade yeah I mean so it's been three and a half years since the most recent [TS]

  one and that was only like kind of a bump from the previous one yes just a [TS]

  soda yeah really a picture the pictures nicer to but other than that it's not [TS]

  that much it's the same basic concept and infrared remote that goes up down [TS]

  left right select play pause and and that you just sit there and move up down [TS]

  left movie selection up down left right around the screen full of apps and then [TS]

  you go in there gotta be able to do something new I think they're going to [TS]

  pull it off that's it this is the other interesting thing to me is that I have [TS]

  detected an awful lot of are almost like we've been so disappointed in limited by [TS]

  what Apple TV is for so long as there's an awful lot of people who it seems to [TS]

  me don't don't have high expectations for this I don't know I could be wrong [TS]

  about that I don't know if you've noticed that that there's an awful lot [TS]

  of people who are you know really think that you know this is going to be you [TS]

  know they just don't think Apple TVs ever gonna be good because it had good [TS]

  yeah well I think one of the big concerns is that it seems like they the [TS]

  hard part is trading the deals and a lot of people are also just expecting Apple [TS]

  to come up with their own streaming service television streaming server yeah [TS]

  yeah whatever I guess and that that would be a key feature of it and that if [TS]

  they were able to do it they would have done a long time ago and they haven't [TS]

  done it so that means that they're not able to do it so it's not going to [TS]

  happen I don't feel like that thats I mean I think that would be nice if they [TS]

  were able to do something that's better but it still think that they could [TS]

  introduce that's really good without having to do that i mean if it has that [TS]

  global search functionality I think that would work as well I I think they need [TS]

  to do I think there is a fundamental level with the what I really think they [TS]

  I need to do I really think that they need to do it I really hope that they [TS]

  have is they really need to make the basic interaction with the TV awesome [TS]

  that you are actually feel like you're having fun just by like choosing which [TS]

  thing to pick right cuz that's really what the fundamentally what they did [TS]

  with the iPhone where cell phones were always these things that were really [TS]

  junkie and add buttons that were like just didn't feel good and and these [TS]

  weird little Java applets that they called games that were always super high [TS]

  latency and you know you know the type of games that like . play you know just [TS]

  to waste two minutes ago but never ever interested kid right who had like a game [TS]

  like in the way that I game boys have always been right since the first one [TS]

  really responsive fun top-notch little gadgets Apple did that to the phone they [TS]

  took the stand that was across the board no matter which bread your bod was a [TS]

  crap experience and prodded all the way forward to this is an awesome experience [TS]

  and there's no latency and green you know it scrolls exactly one-to-one with [TS]

  your fingers as you touch and when you touch something you'd have to wait for [TS]

  it responded respond to second dinner just like a physical item they need to [TS]

  make the TV like that when you're sitting there moving here from around [TS]

  the remoter every gonna do that it's just fun like it just feels fun just [TS]

  interact with your TV and you know and like a perfect Bluetooth connection from [TS]

  the remote to the TV so there's never any latency and you're never like moving [TS]

  your finger around in nothing is happening and when you select something [TS]

  that needs to launch right away and is your rate in there and it's you know [TS]

  like like the iPhone has so much of what frustrates me with every everything [TS]

  really mean everything I've ever hooked up to my TV is just the stuff never [TS]

  seems to respond fast enough [TS]

  yeah the best advice I have is a TiVo [TS]

  by fire just in general just because the newest one does have a bluetooth [TS]

  island for read it is pretty good and the latency isn't that bad and I don't [TS]

  think the latency is between the remote in the TiVo I think it's just the TiVo [TS]

  itself has always had sort of a notoriously slow interface and this is a [TS]

  thing I know Syracuse has gone on about this and I share it and I feel like I [TS]

  wouldn't even have the longing in my heart of I didn't own a TiVo forever the [TS]

  one thing TiVo has always done really really well I'm going back to my first [TS]

  one in like 1999 or 2000 is that when you're playing video you can [TS]

  fast-forward and rewind and its perfect in fact it's almost like they're too [TS]

  smart I find that like they do like they're like when you fast-forward [TS]

  through commercials and you see the show and you hit play it goes back a little [TS]

  bit because you know that when you hit play is when you've seen the two shows [TS]

  back on they go back too far like my my my reactions to my my motor skills I [TS]

  don't know I'm quick well yeah I'm good enough and I coordination yeah yeah my [TS]

  reaction time is fast enough that they actually help me too much and i know i [TS]

  see the last 10 seconds of the commercial i just get [TS]

  but fast forwarding video on Apple TV and rewinding is garbage is so bad and [TS]

  in some cases like with the streaming stuff it doesn't even show it just goes [TS]

  black rain got a buffer all that stuff before I can do that and it doesn't [TS]

  you're going far enough you're gonna go past the buffer right so I feel like I [TS]

  really want somebody is going to do it eventually and I it's the sort of thing [TS]

  that Apple cares about so I hope it's you know I hope it's I hope it's a [TS]

  pulpits coming this week is that to get it so that you know fast-forwarding and [TS]

  rewinding video is as good as can be closer you know at least it's more like [TS]

  that first iPhone in the first iPhone you know by today standard actually [TS]

  wasn't low latency in now it feels like it's light but at the time it was a [TS]

  revelation so at least I I would I i demanded resignation [TS]

  I want to be able to fast rewind video and have it feels like its good [TS]

  experience getting kind of late he's gotta get that done by Wednesday funny [TS]

  one of the things one of things which I find odd about these rumors that some [TS]

  are saying that there are going to be to have two different memory sizes like [TS]

  this that I get eight gigabyte and a 16 gigabyte which I i feel i dont believe [TS]

  that because I don't think they're going to be able to make people understand why [TS]

  it seems like a weird thing to do for those devices and I feel like the smart [TS]

  thing to do would be well yeah they don't do this phones but the to do this [TS]

  16 gigabyte and don't just don't get to do the 16 Gigabyte then he won't charge [TS]

  my charge more [TS]

  don't screw around 18 gigabyte one if that's a rather than have to tears just [TS]

  get the just do the bigger one and I know that most video and and for some [TS]

  services all of it really most of it its streaming is the thing now rather than [TS]

  downloads right but if you're going to have games at all i mean games take up [TS]

  space and I know it's not going to be like ps4 and Xbox type gaming thing you [TS]

  know we already know his company I mean that's just common sense you know you [TS]

  have to read rumors dates to know it's gonna have like any system-on-a-chip and [TS]

  so we know they're basically the capability not gonna be like a graphics [TS]

  powerhouse but that's the reason it couldn't have good games you know [TS]

  like good nintendo's style games very casual I just can't see why they would [TS]

  why they would ship out on a date versus 16 if you can easily fill it up right [TS]

  also this is confusing to offer two different sizes and yeah I think so too [TS]

  I think that I mean I mean I know people understand that you know you wanna [TS]

  download a lot absolutely get a better phone but I don't think we have in our [TS]

  marketing lies it seems so much easier to just say by the the new Apple TV $149 [TS]

  that's that's it [TS]

  your choices to get a new Apple TV or not get one and be a loser and that's it [TS]

  like just that one level of 18 or 16 gigabytes instantly makes the the [TS]

  decision to buy so much more complicated and I really do think that they know I [TS]

  think Apple knows that a complication results in some people saying I don't [TS]

  know what to get some I get one [TS]

  yeah and I really think that they would sell I i convinced that they would sell [TS]

  more boxes and make more money just by giving one with 16 gigabytes and [TS]

  everybody then they would with two even if they could save some money on it I [TS]

  really do I make more money cuz I think the deck complexity we just tried that [TS]

  and I don't just crazy [TS]

  yeah that would be that doesn't sound like them but I hope it's not yeah I [TS]

  wonder though with the games I think about that with Nick just how limiting [TS]

  would even 16 gigabytes be as it seems like a lot of games are you know measure [TS]

  in the gigabytes already and you can't just you can obviously you know delete [TS]

  and redownload it later but even with fast internet it's like downloading it [TS]

  to gigabyte game again because you deleted it a couple weeks ago been there [TS]

  and play it again [TS]

  ya think the experts with the sizes were like 32 gigabytes 200 I don't know the [TS]

  difference was huge and it was kind of like well maybe want to use it just for [TS]

  doing TV and maybe a couple of games or you're like a real serious gamer but you [TS]

  know that's that's twice as the smaller ones twice as much as do you think do [TS]

  you think they're going to do like home kit push with Apple TV I don't know if [TS]

  they're ready for that yet I mean I think maybe we'll get a mention and then [TS]

  I think that that's a long-term plan right but maybe not part of this week's [TS]

  announcement this week cuz it seems like we're in a kind of a slow build that [TS]

  stuff and I don't know that I mean unless they work something out with [TS]

  somebody else that there's really like a compelling thing where you're gonna be [TS]

  standing up a chair to applaud but I think that the basic idea and it makes [TS]

  sense to me but the basic idea is that Apple Apple TV could ultimately should [TS]

  be like this always on you know even if it's in some low power mode always on [TS]

  always connected to the Internet and always available from everywhere [TS]

  sort of smart thing that in your house that you could do things you know like [TS]

  the nest type things like you know somehow it would be like this thing that [TS]

  you could connect to your lights turned on or have the air conditioning turned [TS]

  on you know that certain scheduler stuff like that but I don't know that I don't [TS]

  know that there's anything that they've got different and like you said like an [TS]

  ecosystem in place to really make it a central part of this week yeah yeah I [TS]

  mean some speculation about them making their own stuff but we have certainly [TS]

  haven't heard any rumors of what that might be so doesn't seem to be coming [TS]

  yeah let me take a break and have one more sponsor thing and then we'll wrap [TS]

  up the show their final thoughts about what else might be coming coming at the [TS]

  shell but it's our good friends back place if I love all those punters the [TS]

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  and sign up and it just starts running backs up everything on your Mac to their [TS]

  servers cloud as they call it you have external hard drives back some up to how [TS]

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  whatever you've got your Mac it gets backed up to back please and its five [TS]

  bucks a month that's it it's it sounds too good to be true that's why I think [TS]

  if there are people out there who haven't tried back please [TS]

  haven't used it it's because this sounds unlimited backup for $5 a month sounds [TS]

  too good to be true there's no catch there is no catch and the reason why is [TS]

  it hard drives are not that expensive like there's no it sounds like what how [TS]

  can they stay in business because hard drives are so cheap and they buy them in [TS]

  bulk and they do these cool things on their blog where I go every year they [TS]

  have like a report of which brands hard drives had the most failure and stuff [TS]

  like that like because they have so many hard drives in this massive amount of [TS]

  storage but I got it right hundred fifty petabytes of data backed up their [TS]

  customers that five bucks a month it works out there like a profitable [TS]

  successful company the only catch involved is it really did it might take [TS]

  a long time for your initial backup depending on you know you might have [TS]

  tons of data of terabytes of data it might take awhile for that depending on [TS]

  your relationship with Comcast [TS]

  but that's it they can't solve that problem but once it's packed up and [TS]

  everything else is incremental the software is great it's written by former [TS]

  Apple engineers its really good backs offer you'll never notice it running on [TS]

  your computer there's never any kind of like all of a sudden why is my fan on [TS]

  and you go check activity monitor its cuz back places that doesn't happen it's [TS]

  great software you'll never notice it and all of your stuff is backed up from [TS]

  anywhere I cannot say how how great a feeling of what a relief knowing that [TS]

  everything on my iMac is backed up outside my house somewhere when you need [TS]

  to restore you can just get one file at a time and download it or you can [TS]

  download everything and to save time in the case of a disaster if you want to [TS]

  buy a USB hard drive from them and they'll just put all your date on the [TS]

  USB hard drive in overnight it could not be better [TS]

  anything you would want from an online backup they do it so go to if you [TS]

  haven't signed up already and you're crazy gotta Backblaze dot com slash the [TS]

  talk-show Backblaze dot com slash the talk show and sign up it in five bucks a [TS]

  month that it if there is a second catches 25 bucks per month per Mac so if [TS]

  you have to max then you up to temper that a fair deal goes back up your crap [TS]

  anyway when I don't think I better coming I know girl you don't think the [TS]

  iPad programming yeah I want to go I'm gonna go I'm not going on and I can make [TS]

  a bet [TS]

  here's what I will say this honest-to-god John I have nobody has [TS]

  told me anything about the event so I don't have any inside information about [TS]

  I don't want it i dont wanna know how want to be surprised it's just my gut [TS]

  feeling my gut feeling is that they're gonna do the exact same thing they've [TS]

  done in years past and have an iPad event a smaller event in October and [TS]

  they'll do iPads and new maybe like the new iMac with the fork a display on a 21 [TS]

  inch screen and talk about El Capitan you know there's a parent of the way [TS]

  they do these things and the October event is usually has been last few years [TS]

  new iPads and some new Mac news showing off any I feel a lot of people in the [TS]

  press forget just how simple things and how they often repeat themselves so [TS]

  they'll show off El Capitan and all the features they gonna show are the same [TS]

  ones that they showed at the BBC in June and they do this and people why why why [TS]

  did they do that because you know we already knew all the stuff they should [TS]

  because that they just want normal people to know about these features and [TS]

  the way you communicate with people who aren't hyperactive news junkies is you [TS]

  repeat yourself multiple times right it's like running for office like why do [TS]

  politicians keep saying the same things over and over again whether going on [TS]

  that's how you get your message across [TS]

  so they'll just preview what's new in our capital I don't see how they do all [TS]

  that in one event if they're gonna do this [TS]

  yeah that's a green apple TV and they and hoping they're gonna talk about 110 [TS]

  West who's coming I think they're gonna do that next week's event this is what I [TS]

  went well that's what I miss my man yeah so this is what I'm gonna do when they [TS]

  gonna [TS]

  I think it's gonna be exactly like last year's event will be 30 well meaning [TS]

  three things first will be the new iPhones and I'll probably be schiller [TS]

  again exactly like last year [TS]

  Phil Schiller will come out he'll tell us all about the new iPhone 6 ass and [TS]

  success + and forced touch and whatever else they have to talk about it and how [TS]

  it all works and here's when they're gonna be available and I guarantee it's [TS]

  gonna be like 10 days later or nine days later on Friday will you know the week [TS]

  the week after would that be Friday the 18th then part two now last year part 2 [TS]

  was Apple pay this year's part to bed is Apple watch and it'll be about [TS]

  everything new with a botched 2.0 now and I think I said this on the show [TS]

  couple weeks ago but I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with new [TS]

  bands [TS]

  holiday season ended I think probably government again somebody this weekend a [TS]

  rumor that they're gonna do new bands new sport pants at least yeah just have [TS]

  something new to show and new cell for the holidays and may be based on now [TS]

  that they have actual sales data they know which existing banter popular [TS]

  training and you know do something like that so it's a way to have new hardware [TS]

  to show without news but then they just review all of the watch 2.0 features [TS]

  that the the show that the BBC but then they'll say here and here is when it'll [TS]

  be years when they update will be available and then I don't know if [TS]

  they'll do one more thing but then there will be one more thing and it'll be [TS]

  AppleTV AppleTV will fill that third and final spot that Apple watch played last [TS]

  year and they have a lot to show because it's all new to radically new and [TS]

  there's probably gonna be like partners they're like I don't have to have that [TS]

  place that could take a long time that could it would should take a long time I [TS]

  don't see our after what I've just said those three things I don't see how [TS]

  there's any time left for [TS]

  I pets and they may even want to talk business [TS]

  given the concern over the Chinese [TS]

  hey we're doing really well here's how many we've seen oh yeah we sold in here [TS]

  is an update on yeah yeah you know what you know and you know what [TS]

  and to get around like not giving numbers that one day I don't think [TS]

  there's any logins is like here's photographs of one of our new stores in [TS]

  China and its jam packed with people buying things you know there's a lot [TS]

  going on with no numbers on it [TS]

  a basis unlabeled AXI it really does China called Bezos charts are new [TS]

  yorkers charts you know there's like every single New Yorker cartoon is [TS]

  either two guys on an island or it's a guy in a suit with a chart either going [TS]

  up or down if they are that makes a lot of sense I think that makes a lot of [TS]

  energy and so then and then the other thing is like the iPad pro with that's [TS]

  what whatever it's going to be assuming that's what it is is kind of a thing [TS]

  that they need to talk about for a while and it's a new it's a whole new form [TS]

  factor and supposedly it's coming with stylist and keyboards and I mean that's [TS]

  a that's a lot to talk about their two so and if they're gonna do [TS]

  refreshed many memories and and not do a refresh refresh of the air that seems [TS]

  like that might be enough to hold you know i i really do a special and [TS]

  especially with a review of elk El Capitan and if they don't have a [TS]

  separate I was so you're saying the El Capitan when would be the October 1 yes [TS]

  okay I'm sorry ok no i'm saying is I think next week is I this week I guess [TS]

  this week [TS]

  iPhone Apple watch 2.0 and an update on you know the amazing things people are [TS]

  doing with their budget [TS]

  and then Apple TV and then that's it that s two hours right there or even not [TS]

  even if it isn't two hours even if it's only 90 minutes or 95 minutes it doesn't [TS]

  leave enough time to do the rest [TS]

  and I don't think they want to do that I don't think they want i dont wanna do [TS]

  too much on why wouldn't they just have a second event so to read out the [TS]

  publicity why in the world would they want to just have all this stuff and if [TS]

  there's an iPad pro if i dont again I i dont like I'm trying to get away from [TS]

  knowing I don't want to be surprised so I don't know I have nobody on the inside [TS]

  has ever said anything to me about iPad PA make sense to me though and there's [TS]

  an awful lot of smoke you know where there's smoke there's fire an awful lot [TS]

  of smoke that they're doing it I I think you're right that it that takes that's [TS]

  going to be like hey we need to take time that's a whole segment of an event [TS]

  to tell you why we're doing this [TS]

  yeah there's a fair amount of explanation right and i think i think i [TS]

  mean who's it for [TS]

  well I think it you know what I think it's interesting that the iPad pro [TS]

  really interesting is that a great question and the reason I think it's [TS]

  great as I think it's for Tim Cook not only Tim Cook but in the way that like [TS]

  Steve Jobs like had them make the phone that he wanted and he knew that it did [TS]

  lots of other people that wanted to but it was like I the way that Tim Cook [TS]

  talks about iPad and the way he says so many times he does so much of his work [TS]

  on iPad and that he's you know doing this big push personally into the [TS]

  enterprise with you know the IBM deal just a singer he was on stage at a Cisco [TS]

  event at the end of August ily heard that I didn't realize he was on stage I [TS]

  heard that they were doing it they were also looking up to do things about [TS]

  getting it was in the enterprises of more about it was last Monday I don't [TS]

  think it was strong notice this was more reason yes [TS]

  it was a huge event in Vegas it was like some kind of big Cisco conference with [TS]

  you know and it was like in the MGM Grand Arena where all the big fights are [TS]

  like the Mayweather fight to fight 2002 out in a six to ten thousand seat arena [TS]

  and the cancer was at a Denny's [TS]

  the parking lot of now but he made an unannounced surprise appearance on stage [TS]

  at the Cisco thing about it but i dont know there's been publicized but you [TS]

  know he spoke and apparently at great length and it was really really [TS]

  interests and made a very compelling case for you know like that the iPad [TS]

  with only read the tip of the iceberg but it's it's gonna play a tremendous [TS]

  role of business computing going forward as I really do I think he believes it I [TS]

  think he i think he really thinks it's true so I really and I really think that [TS]

  he himself is is going to use an iPad pro a lot and I think he will he seemed [TS]

  so interested in a person I can't see why they how they wouldn't put a lot of [TS]

  time into the unveiling you know the addy and again I don't see how they fit [TS]

  that in one of them they just had this possible and I could be wrong because I [TS]

  know government is saying it's coming next week [TS]

  order that its plan to end John Paczkowski said that too but pat Caskey [TS]

  said the same thing last year again August like when he seemed to me like [TS]

  when they when he got the leak of the date for those September event he said [TS]

  you know that it's expected to be new phones and Apple's but we don't got [TS]

  their wearable and new iPad without the one thing in the one thing that goes [TS]

  against our argument though is the is the size of all right [TS]

  alright I thought the other counter argument is that the WBC count keynote [TS]

  this year went over two hours [TS]

  well over two hours so why not just go over two hours again I don't think they [TS]

  were happy that it that one over two hours I think that you know I jam-packed [TS]

  full of information that that that that that whole thing was talking to you know [TS]

  some [TS]

  you know there are some people who you know obviously it's off the record but [TS]

  you know more or less [TS]

  hey sorry about this you don't have been Ben Thompson then I we're sitting [TS]

  together for it and we were like we we asked a friend you know like the world [TS]

  was that it was going to be long and we asked somebody I know who who would know [TS]

  you know some of them will be are we should be running back has run into the [TS]

  bathroom at WBC is kind of a pain in the ass because there's so many thousands of [TS]

  people streaming it like that the secret is to go all the way downstairs don't [TS]

  you know you're the keynote on the third level don't go to that the one that's [TS]

  closest go right yeah like a funny side story is Ben and I both like we lay out [TS]

  we better go so we went and in a couple minutes ago before they went down to the [TS]

  first floor to the restaurant glad that I did a funny thing is we come back [TS]

  upstairs and we get to the third floor and the door to the men's room was out [TS]

  way out the door i mean there must have been a hundred hundred guys waiting in [TS]

  line to go to the men's room on the third floor of Moscone and Ben see me I [TS]

  don't know I'm not need humanitarian I just gonna go take my seat been stopped [TS]

  and services have been is a very nice guy and started telling people hey you [TS]

  know you can just go down to the first floor and there's no line there's [TS]

  literally no line at first for mentor and everybody nobody took his advice and [TS]

  they're scared the and they are scared that it was like yeah and been like to [TS]

  get hard he's like you know it doesn't pay to help people but anyway I don't [TS]

  think they were happy that that went over two hours they just felt like this [TS]

  but we have to do it to be the BBC this year and they needed to do you know they [TS]

  felt like they needed to get Apple music and dance and so therefore it had to be [TS]

  over two hours I feel like they did their internal goal to keep them all [TS]

  under two hours you know they'll make an exception if they feel they need to but [TS]

  if they don't need to they won't and I feel like they don't need to this time [TS]

  why they don't have to do it would be breaking the pattern to do that [TS]

  yeah alright what was the thing I said we get back to the venue so the venue is [TS]

  Graham Civic Auditorium I've never been there I don't get there if you do go to [TS]

  the bathroom in the basement even if they're even if there's no bathroom done [TS]

  well so it's a huge place and I guess it can be configured to fill thousands of [TS]

  people but my understanding and this is just a sort of like my finger in the [TS]

  wind but it sounds to me like the days they haven't really increase the number [TS]

  of people invited like it doesn't seem like Press invitations are all that easy [TS]

  to get which makes it sound like there's no now it could be that they are gonna [TS]

  have thousands and thousands of people or whatever but that they've invited [TS]

  people from China a bunch of people from the TV industry you know people who [TS]

  write about TV Hollywood Reporter's and so that I would know this because they [TS]

  have increased the number of you know the people I know in the tech people [TS]

  well I didn't get an invite [TS]

  there you go here's my my thinking is that may be the reason they have this [TS]

  big venue I don't know what it looks like inside so you know I could be the [TS]

  did this but I'm gonna say doesn't make any sense but remember last year [TS]

  they built this big white box in front of the Flint center down there in [TS]

  Cupertino and nobody knew what was in it and it was a big demo area big temporary [TS]

  demo area for all the new stuff they wanted to show like a one day to our [TS]

  Apple Store just four dem demonstrating the new watching my thought is what if [TS]

  they did that again this year but they wanted to do it all indoors that maybe [TS]

  that's why they have in this huge area so that there may not be tons of press [TS]

  CDR seating for people to see the event but that they've built like a big area [TS]

  to demonstrate this and I think just thinking about it if you want to [TS]

  demonstrate Apple TV in a realistic way you get it you need a lot of TVs yeah [TS]

  and maybe like how to set up or something you know down a lot of baggage [TS]

  or something so that's my guess my guess is just a guess I i mean how the hell [TS]

  did I know I don't know what is going on in the bill Graham Civic but that's my [TS]

  guess is that they've built a big huge hands on area inside and that's why it's [TS]

  in a big mania not because they're inviting lots of people well not that [TS]

  they're not inviting to people even if you know I was assuming that it was [TS]

  going to be all the way through iPods but but now that we've talked to us I [TS]

  think I'm gonna sit right that it's not that iPads are gonna be next month I [TS]

  also predict how predict that mark Gurman will say that he wasn't wrong [TS]

  about the high pests he'll say he wasn't right but that they moved them to [TS]

  October because it leaked that they were going to come out to report that they [TS]

  leave that's unfair is it unfairly just happened more than once the design [TS]

  healthcare healthcare helped design but that he wasn't wrong and they moved it [TS]

  out despite their very spiteful and again if they could I guess squeeze in [TS]

  bed but then if they do then there's nothing left to have an event for El [TS]

  Capitan and any new Macs yeah it was interesting to i thought was interesting [TS]

  to that Garmin even said that he you know he said that he thinks that the [TS]

  iPad sources say the iPad supposed to come out at this event this week but [TS]

  then he himself said that the new ratner 21 inch iMac is coming in October and as [TS]

  i know i knew i new iMac coming October sure sounds like a perfect thing to [TS]

  announce at an event in October right yeah but interesting anything else [TS]

  yeah that's pretty good I think that's just a tough alright john my exact [TS]

  amount always good to talk to you always a good everybody can get all the more [TS]

  they want very fine website very nice very very nice I don't know what's going [TS]

  on a very fine website not as good as what's going on a very nice website it's [TS]

  going to be the number one hit think so very nice website except I'm not using [TS]

  Jon Walters very nice website so you can find a branding baby is brand new right [TS]

  there if you enjoy the sound of his voice on podcasts you're in luck [TS]

  sorry [TS]

  we're hearing checked turning this car around if you google for turning this [TS]

  car around you'll find that's John show where he talks about parenting and and [TS]

  stuff like that with John Armstrong and yes Lex Frieden Lex Friedman forgot [TS]

  about lacks any got the rebound or talk about technology with Friedman and [TS]

  multiple winner and Balt Balt pretty good pretty good in a quick quick gotta [TS]

  yeah I do after age group recruiters to popular name in Europe there's a big [TS]

  name in Germany so that if you go to get lots of people asking for your handle [TS]

  know nobody asked for Jesse chart on Instagram every scenario I there were no [TS]

  funny you know what I don't read I never know whether it's a joke or not cuz [TS]

  people become a joke right [TS]

  she's got that Jesse just plain juss ie on Instagram and every post he ever [TS]

  makes there's somebody usually some young girl just 70 here and squared I [TS]

  don't know how and where these kids come up a day and I mean generalities your [TS]

  tech kid texted all the names of like the iMessage names of oh yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  it's a good bear no recognition no lose this looks like a mistake somebody [TS]

  asking can I have your handle just say sure yeah why not give it to you [TS]

  teenage strangers now nobody asked for mine teenage stranger who has 15 [TS]

  followers compared to my thousands [TS]

  a good deal what ever happened with that guy who I know we have to wrap it up [TS]

  whatever happened to you as the alphabet Twitter don't know I don't know maybe [TS]

  something so yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  says I'm not affiliated and non-affiliated Google / up yeah alright [TS]

  thanks I will put in a good word for it when big prizes are usually sign up as a [TS]

  fresh batch explain why I'm not getting in each year is already here [TS]