The Incomparable

242: `B` for Bad Captain

 

  the incomparable number 242 April 2015 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable i'm your host Jason's now [TS]

  i'm joined by a panel of fabulous stars [TS]

  to talk about star trek with me again [TS]

  this is our third installment and what [TS]

  we've been calling the star trek debate [TS]

  club all just part of a plot to get more [TS]

  star trek content on the incomparable [TS]

  proper we just did our two-part star [TS]

  wars episode 3 episode not too long ago [TS]

  the balance is shifting a little too far [TS]

  away from Star Trek in my book so we're [TS]

  here to debate numerous things and [TS]

  settle nothing and and out rate make [TS]

  outrageous claims and leave his friends [TS]

  while the internet burns probably behind [TS]

  us [TS]

  joining me to debate various ridiculous [TS]

  things in Star Trek are Scott McNulty [TS]

  host of our very own random track [TS]

  podcast hi Scott [TS]

  hello good to have you here it's always [TS]

  a pleasure chase David laura is also out [TS]

  there hi David there [TS]

  Brianna Wu I wouldn't do a debate club [TS]

  about Star Trek without you [TS]

  what's crackalackin and yeah thanks i [TS]

  know your catchphrase some catchphrase [TS]

  it's just a way to go did you catch [TS]

  phrase just 23 younger game [TS]

  I don't know who else would have a [TS]

  catchphrase and say to people anyway [TS]

  Tony sindelar hello Helen it's it's not [TS]

  against reasons just how he says hello [TS]

  that's just how i talk an accident and [TS]

  moisture is too jaan hai Jason Snelling [TS]

  I shall race you around the moons of me [TS]

  haha trauma and Harris nebula and round [TS]

  perdition's flames before I claim my [TS]

  pride spoilers spoilers but I'm laughing [TS]

  at the superior intellect indeed that's [TS]

  what i'm doing right now this very [TS]

  moment Jason how are you doing just fine [TS]

  i asked you all to prepare which haha [TS]

  i'm not saying you did i'm just saying i [TS]

  asked baby it's on us to discuss things [TS]

  things in a few different categories [TS]

  here so as always on the star trek [TS]

  debate clip we're going to talk about [TS]

  the best things in the worst things go a [TS]

  little positive then make bringing down [TS]

  a little bit going to the going to the [TS]

  negative then bring it back around more [TS]

  positive and i'm down note perhaps [TS]

  because that's what we do here i want to [TS]

  talk about captains for [TS]

  just and and best and worst captains and [TS]

  I'm uninterested what you all have to [TS]

  say about good captain's and bad [TS]

  captain's on Star Trek and to kick us [TS]

  off with with captain's I'm gonna go [TS]

  with brianna i have ya about what she's [TS]

  gonna talk about yeah so tell me tell me [TS]

  your best Star Trek captain [TS]

  alright alright so the very best Star [TS]

  Trek captain besides Mirror Mirror [TS]

  Captain Archer who is a pretty awesome [TS]

  captain alive like he got some stuff yet [TS]

  he got some stuff done [TS]

  Rihanna you're gonna mess up where I'm [TS]

  going but no one's gonna let go let go [TS]

  alright i could go out you don't you [TS]

  don't you say you know I'm gonna say is [TS]

  Captain Janeway yeah i love captain [TS]

  janeway i am passionate about Captain [TS]

  Janeway she is i have never talked to a [TS]

  woman that doesn't think Captain Janeway [TS]

  is like unfairly maligned by Star Trek [TS]

  fans listen she has a big mission she's [TS]

  like putting this really uncomfortable [TS]

  role like being out in the middle of the [TS]

  Delta Quadrant with no support and you [TS]

  know like she makes it happen like she [TS]

  gets her ship and she gets everybody [TS]

  home and if I've noticed a trend with [TS]

  Star Trek captain's like this happens we [TS]

  could with Kirk abs we could with the [TS]

  card even happens with Archer that [TS]

  sometimes when things get really rough [TS]

  like the they kind of just go earn they [TS]

  just kind of ground to get it done and [TS]

  that's not really the way that Captain [TS]

  Janeway runs her ship like she's very [TS]

  much more of a diplomat consensus [TS]

  builder and i think that there's a lot [TS]

  of lessons to learn in the way that she [TS]

  kind of you know basically runs things [TS]

  and I just think she's a wonderful [TS]

  leader I like Janeway I was talking to [TS]

  somebody and I think I think might even [TS]

  Scott at one point about this that that [TS]

  I i think and voyager is not my favorite [TS]

  Star Trek and they're there [TS]

  we've talked about theories about why [TS]

  some people don't like Voyager and some [TS]

  people do I think it's fine [TS]

  I don't hate it I Janeway to me was [TS]

  never an issue with Voyager I think [TS]

  she's really great [TS]

  I don't think it's her fault Janeway and [TS]

  no it unless captain's truly do pick [TS]

  every single member of the crew [TS]

  it's it's not you know she didn't pick [TS]

  Chakotay she just picked him up from [TS]

  another boring day she didn't [TS]

  probably didn't recruit Harry Kim [TS]

  because who would do that [TS]

  I mean I think she's the best character [TS]

  on Voyager by like I mean I don't I [TS]

  don't know who's in second place it's [TS]

  like a little design in the doctor I [TS]

  think [TS]

  ok good characters really good [TS]

  characters on Voyager right now Felix no [TS]

  no the only problem with Captain Janeway [TS]

  is that she's stranded on a bad show [TS]

  oh it's not our fault it's not her she's [TS]

  a good character trait she is you [TS]

  surrounded her with I mean this is my [TS]

  this is one of the reasons I don't think [TS]

  voyager is as strong as I think the [TS]

  supporting cast is good around her and [TS]

  if you surrounded her with some of the [TS]

  stronger characters from maybe some [TS]

  other star trek shows the show would be [TS]

  better but that character i like i like [TS]

  Janeway a lot i think she was it really [TS]

  interesting character her approach and [TS]

  Brianna we've talked about this before [TS]

  her project to to solving problems into [TS]

  dealing with her crew is different from [TS]

  the archetypal star trek captain it [TS]

  whether it's the the captain kirk [TS]

  approach which is a more direct or the [TS]

  Picard the consultative kind of Picardy [TS]

  person Janeway Janeway has a different [TS]

  approach to solving problems in dealing [TS]

  with a crew and I always I always like [TS]

  that i like i like Kate Mulgrew's [TS]

  performance I think she does a good job [TS]

  i'm glad that they recast the part after [TS]

  two days no yeah the original captain [TS]

  was terrible giorgia visual yeah I i [TS]

  think that there's a I mean I think [TS]

  there's a real market her character [TS]

  house lake in the first season of [TS]

  voyager is very interesting because she [TS]

  finds herself out there alone without a [TS]

  lot of the support systems that captains [TS]

  typically have and you see her really [TS]

  wrestling with moral decisions over the [TS]

  course of the show like where she's [TS]

  really put in situation's where she has [TS]

  to choose between her principles and [TS]

  like just doing what's most expedient [TS]

  and I think it makes for some great [TS]

  television and i just love the character [TS]

  but I feel in some in some ways that [TS]

  Janeway is I all look at captain is a [TS]

  management position and i'm not there [TS]

  really boy color is your Starfleet [TS]

  parachute but but mainly I don't like [TS]

  she was actually like because of the [TS]

  heightened stakes of being stranded and [TS]

  all that like Janeway was a captain who [TS]

  really had to deal with you know serious [TS]

  week-to-week management decisions like [TS]

  not just how to [TS]

  people happy but like you know and not [TS]

  just like tricking aliens out of to get [TS]

  the ship out of danger but like trying [TS]

  to get the the two different groups to [TS]

  work together and and and navigate these [TS]

  you know making these weird decisions [TS]

  about where they were going to go to try [TS]

  to get back home and it was it's an [TS]

  interesting character for that reason to [TS]

  well i mean if if I may say she she does [TS]

  a lot with what she's given check out i [TS]

  sorry i sorry i'll turn that into a into [TS]

  thing and I do my impression of Harry [TS]

  Kim now [TS]

  hi I'm Harry Kim and I really hope you [TS]

  like scan that bulkhead over anybody [TS]

  everybody still awake [TS]

  that was pretty accurate thank you how [TS]

  do you feel about skating thing scared [TS]

  of my computers doing some stuff my [TS]

  favorite Harry Kim episode is that my [TS]

  favorite voyager episodes where Kim dies [TS]

  unfortunately there's another Harry Kim [TS]

  so anyway uh that's a great one [TS]

  let's it's not a draft but that's a [TS]

  great that was a great choice David Lord [TS]

  you have a best captain for me [TS]

  we out yeah because I prepared said I I [TS]

  made a joke about this before and and [TS]

  the more I thought about it the more [TS]

  thought you know Frasier Crane or well [TS]

  captain morgan bait some of the USS [TS]

  bozeman which is really kelsey grammer [TS]

  who is trapped in that temporal rift for [TS]

  90 years with his ship [TS]

  I kind of think I want to think he's [TS]

  from the mirror universe because look at [TS]

  his beard and and they're trying to [TS]

  completely supported create an incursion [TS]

  into the into our universe and you know [TS]

  that's that's kind of cool but now it's [TS]

  Jim Kirk because you know Jim Kirk is is [TS]

  my guy and get again I mean we've talked [TS]

  about this before without the template [TS]

  there wouldn't be any other series but [TS]

  we always pull that one out [TS]

  yeah but i will say i like i like all of [TS]

  the primary captains in all of the [TS]

  series III think they all you know [TS]

  they're not exactly like they all have [TS]

  different good qualities i don't think i [TS]

  could pick a worst one out of them [TS]

  although i did pick the worst one [TS]

  ha ha [TS]

  it might not be one of them who knows a [TS]

  but I you know every time I think about [TS]

  it I think you know okay i love Picard [TS]

  but he's beholden to Q entirely too much [TS]

  during the series and and I love cisco [TS]

  and i really like Janeway and and I like [TS]

  Archer I've like evil nature better but [TS]

  he had partial one evil maybe maybe more [TS]

  effective into the point Archer is more [TS]

  accurate [TS]

  that's right understand but it when i [TS]

  think about it [TS]

  what are the ones that even now I still [TS]

  watch over and over I still watch the [TS]

  original series over and over I don't [TS]

  get tired of it i don't get tired of the [TS]

  Bad episodes I can't watch The Bad [TS]

  episodes of the new shows i just i can't [TS]

  i can't watch the the next generation [TS]

  with the by NARS or the one where [TS]

  residents steps on the grass and gets to [TS]

  read and 11001001 ready [TS]

  wait a minute the miners episode is [TS]

  amazing that go on [TS]

  I I pretty much can't stand anything and [TS]

  sees one I pretty much can't stand you [TS]

  were broken about raising y'all [TS]

  oh hey you know friendly whole world [TS]

  hates us but we're staying here I'm just [TS]

  like I love him but I died when I am [TS]

  laughing at the first season and anyway [TS]

  I believe it [TS]

  the eat the episode question that [TS]

  referring to is called 11001001 in the [TS]

  language of the by NARS mean don't you [TS]

  think all that's colored a little bit by [TS]

  nostalgia I'm oh absolutely yeah I don't [TS]

  deny that also i I'd never seen tos and [TS]

  i got married to my husband who pointed [TS]

  out today was telling those can be on [TS]

  this podcast a hit for watching Star [TS]

  Trek before i was born just true right [TS]

  you know I've seen all of these episodes [TS]

  many times now and they're not good this [TS]

  whole head of TOS the Tripoli and [TS]

  unbelievably bad and I just don't [TS]

  understand how anyone can say it's good [TS]

  but it's guy didn't say it's good [TS]

  I is used [TS]

  it's amusingly bad when it's amusingly [TS]

  bad there are very few that are just out [TS]

  and out absolutely cannot stand watching [TS]

  but we're gonna be there are no lines [TS]

  are going to consider that there may be [TS]

  about like 27-percent that are i'd i'd [TS]

  say about twenty to twenty-five percent [TS]

  and they're the ones that are so bad [TS]

  that the the cast is actively revolting [TS]

  as they are recording the episode like [TS]

  the satyrs for soldiers I active board [TS]

  faces well that's yeah anyone that could [TS]

  be fun seriously bored Shatner and [TS]

  boredom away are a lot more fun than [TS]

  bored freaks and board service and bored [TS]

  McFadden that's not her name it's not [TS]

  sure didn't skate mechana not bored [TS]

  McCann gates are bad boards but well at [TS]

  the same not [TS]

  I you know I'm gonna I'm gonna agree [TS]

  with David here obviously i love captain [TS]

  kirk I i love captain kirk in the in the [TS]

  original show and in the movies most [TS]

  especially of course star trek to but I [TS]

  think throughout especially some of the [TS]

  humor stuff and star trek for is a very [TS]

  amusing with him i like i like the stuff [TS]

  in Star Trek six as well where he's [TS]

  really angry at the Klingons i'm always [TS]

  loved Captain Kirk and his and his [TS]

  trickery [TS]

  I i really enjoyed the fact that he [TS]

  although he was an action hero and he [TS]

  would be happy to fight a giant lizard [TS]

  man if he placed on a desert planet with [TS]

  a giant lizard man who wouldn't [TS]

  she'll ask you to do I like one of my [TS]

  favorite Kirk things is on the corbomite [TS]

  maneuver where he talks his way out of [TS]

  the situation where he is just bluffing [TS]

  and he Bluffs a giant spaceship into [TS]

  surrendering to him essentially which is [TS]

  pretty awesome [TS]

  and then in Star Trek to the echo of [TS]

  that with obviously a lot more attention [TS]

  and stakes in a much larger budget as [TS]

  well and the way that he kind of saves [TS]

  them from destruction at the hands of [TS]

  con with his trickery i really love that [TS]

  about Captain Kirk board more than the [TS]

  seduction of alien women and being a [TS]

  giant lizard people I just I really like [TS]

  that that part of kirk and also his [TS]

  sense of humor that when McCoy tries to [TS]

  prescribe him salad [TS]

  he can give them a look and groans and [TS]

  then he eats the salad [TS]

  the other thing as I'm sitting here [TS]

  thinking about it he's the one who goes [TS]

  through the protagonist journey right [TS]

  Picard is always level-headed [TS]

  intelligent rational and you know [TS]

  sometimes he slips but most of the time [TS]

  he's he's totally rational Ben Sisko [TS]

  very rational very mellow good manager [TS]

  Janeway terrific manager Kirk is the one [TS]

  who nearly bashes the lizard guys head [TS]

  in with a rock and then he lets his [TS]

  better the better angels of his nature [TS]

  overcome not going to key right today [TS]

  but he's not a good captain as much a [TS]

  seasonally liking captor and unbelief [TS]

  away like a captain there without their [TS]

  and against his will take pattern after [TS]

  Captain reason [TS]

  fair enough um assess you have a kid you [TS]

  have some captain talk for us this this [TS]

  is one that has vexed me I've gotta say [TS]

  I thought about this a lot i thought [TS]

  well do i do I stick to what people [TS]

  expect do i pick one of the five [TS]

  captains who were also the lead of the [TS]

  room series is doing something other [TS]

  than that trying too hard then I thought [TS]

  maybe there's another angle entirely [TS]

  Jason wait a way to metagame the not [TS]

  draft isn't everybody has done this so [TS]

  far by the way everybody has make sure [TS]

  somebody they're not talking about [TS]

  before talking about it you are experts [TS]

  are all way too good at this are your [TS]

  honor yes mr. mystery on you and I [TS]

  mention I need a ruling from the bench [TS]

  I am I allowed to count Sam Beckett [TS]

  inside the body of a starship captain [TS]

  Jonathan Archer as one person [TS]

  no I'm sorry it's okay well then your [TS]

  arteries you can't raise your cream [TS]

  can't come from an evil universe ok I'm [TS]

  racket yeah that's right yeah you could [TS]

  pick an obscure weird strange captain [TS]

  from somewhere but you cannot pick sort [TS]

  of fit headcanon captain's inside all [TS]

  weekend Calhoun I I resent your [TS]

  judgmental talk uh I ok very well that [TS]

  there are no one's out Cogley ok that [TS]

  one's out i'm tempted to pick our Sulu [TS]

  because his moment as captain of the [TS]

  Excelsior in Star Trek six is fantastic [TS]

  and amazing and it is so a typical to [TS]

  Asian America [TS]

  an actor's on-screen and for me as a kid [TS]

  that was amazing blew me away but [TS]

  sentimentality can always hit me so far [TS]

  so then I just I'm restrict myself to [TS]

  captain of the enterprise [TS]

  okay you can do that if you want you [TS]

  could you have turkey and you don't have [TS]

  cisco including cisco in cloquet you [TS]

  down captain of the enterprise even [TS]

  locate main main series captain's make [TS]

  sense cabins if I were to do that when [TS]

  you don't have an answer do you boys [TS]

  you're just being nice no no I'm not I'm [TS]

  not I'm going somewhere i literally have [TS]

  bulleted notes also delay of game your [TS]

  honor [TS]

  you're gonna pick on solo aren't you [TS]

  know jewbacca mal Reynolds i'm going to [TS]

  end up picking a captain of the [TS]

  enterprise who did not run their own [TS]

  series and it's the only captain of the [TS]

  enterprise to do something very [TS]

  important that I have to have to set my [TS]

  sentimental feelings aside because i [TS]

  want to pick four of them so the best [TS]

  Star Trek captain is Rachel Derek [TS]

  captain the enterprise see what you got [TS]

  you only captain of a starship [TS]

  enterprise to go down with the ship in [TS]

  something that isn't an alternate [TS]

  would've reality that they get out of [TS]

  thanks to time control tachyons and well [TS]

  technically she goes to an alternate [TS]

  reality and dies there before they can [TS]

  go down with the ship yeah so so [TS]

  basically you're saying that i picked [TS]

  the captain who is master of all time [TS]

  space and reality so now i'm writing [TS]

  about I love your pic I i had Rachel [TS]

  Garrett as my darkhorse backup secret [TS]

  wacky pic events and I on that logic i [TS]

  almost picked con but I couldn't in good [TS]

  conscience do that because he have he's [TS]

  he's a great captain the bodies a is a [TS]

  fine ship especially when it's on sand [TS]

  he totally didn't crash into a planet he [TS]

  was crashed four years on a desert [TS]

  planet you know in a cargo bay [TS]

  yeah and ended up almost taking down the [TS]

  Federation's flagship that is amazing [TS]

  but Rachel Garrett didn't have the [TS]

  advantage of having a movie named after [TS]

  her so i have to go Rachel yeah alright [TS]

  Your Honor I would like to pick Malcolm [TS]

  Reynolds which I will prove as part of [TS]

  the star trek universe happy this guy [TS]

  who diets Lando Calrissian wearing Han [TS]

  Solo's clothing is my [TS]

  ok me my yeah my sentimental pic would [TS]

  have been cisco but best captain if [TS]

  that's the phrasing but i have to say [TS]

  Rachel Garrett alright and am I mean I [TS]

  am actually totally serious about know [TS]

  that that's it's a great character i [TS]

  think that I mean she's only got a [TS]

  couple of scenes where she's talking to [TS]

  Picard and then she's always thought it [TS]

  was sad that she's kind of [TS]

  unceremoniously killed so that they can [TS]

  give Tasha and christopher mcdonald a [TS]

  little bit of a little bit of a story [TS]

  arc I I always thought that was a game [TS]

  that they did that because i really like [TS]

  that character and she was she was the [TS]

  first woman captain of the enterprise [TS]

  that one or a woman starcaptain really [TS]

  in a where you know before Janeway there [TS]

  was the bold move of the captain of the [TS]

  enterprise see is Rachel Garrett and I [TS]

  thought that was really awesome that [TS]

  they did that she was the actress [TS]

  brother a nice gravitas to that part and [TS]

  she was so much more interesting than [TS]

  yard I know I go and her little romance [TS]

  with christopher mcdonald helicopters [TS]

  mrs. Garrett was based on her [TS]

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  incomparable Tony captain me that you [TS]

  have already accepted make me a captain [TS]

  right now i don't i don't think you [TS]

  understand Starfleet ok you are busy [TS]

  kitchen aid in your grade podcaster at [TS]

  best let's study but I if I name [TS]

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  the temporary acting captain thrown off [TS]

  a lot of general compromised [TS]

  I don't you even right you're one of [TS]

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  thanks Tony oh sorry but you know that [TS]

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  you have something Tony sure I mean [TS]

  we've touched on on all the big ones are [TS]

  you know I thought about it a little bit [TS]

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  of the biggest challenges and you know I [TS]

  think Francisco is is kind of Jane well [TS]

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  challenges as being stranded far away [TS]

  was [TS]

  the unique thing but Ben Sisko deals [TS]

  with some of the most like kind of [TS]

  ruthless and vicious things throughout [TS]

  the war that to me really stand out as a [TS]

  captain especially the the episode in [TS]

  the pale moonlight where he assassinates [TS]

  a Romulan ambassador and I don't know if [TS]

  anyone else would do that of the other [TS]

  captains and you know I guess it's up to [TS]

  you is your moral code if that's a good [TS]

  or bad [TS]

  captain I think in terms of like he will [TS]

  preserve Starfleet and do whatever he [TS]

  can at you know at all costs as long as [TS]

  a goat get caught I'm gonna go with him [TS]

  Picard has always had a soft spot in my [TS]

  heart as the kind of like wise and [TS]

  courageous you know smart guy who's [TS]

  going to use science and talking to [TS]

  solve problems but Francisco overcome [TS]

  some real problems that you know I don't [TS]

  know if the car could have stood up to [TS]

  Picard never punched you [TS]

  so yeah no no I just saw this episode he [TS]

  doesn't usually it's true that [TS]

  ambassador and obsess inated but you [TS]

  know he was trying to like get him [TS]

  removed or I'm trying to remember the [TS]

  specifics like he tries to fake the [TS]

  hollow chip and you know figures out to [TS]

  fake and then he ends up being [TS]

  assassinated is leaving and Cisco's [TS]

  actually very upset about the right [TS]

  Cisco doesn't sense right right [TS]

  he sets up the conditions in which it [TS]

  can happen right here and he engages in [TS]

  espionage and starts to document it all [TS]

  and then chooses not to write erase log [TS]

  and race look very nice [TS]

  I Scott what what captain do you have [TS]

  for us [TS]

  well I have a captain who i believe can [TS]

  fall into both categories [TS]

  oh because i like to do double duty at [TS]

  the only reason i am choosing him is [TS]

  because i find to be using and that is [TS]

  Captain styles of the USS excelsior who [TS]

  is best like forming a baton around the [TS]

  bridge for no apparent reason [TS]

  forget that he also he also works on his [TS]

  fingernails and he does yeah he is a [TS]

  cocky he is probably the worst that [TS]

  things that you could find an officer [TS]

  given the plum assignment of [TS]

  happening Starfleet's fanciest fastest [TS]

  ship and he gets his comeuppance in one [TS]

  of the few highlights of star trek 3 [TS]

  captain styles amuses me to no end [TS]

  and so I don't why would be best [TS]

  pictures EMES as you can see amuses me [TS]

  there's no rice is all subjective [TS]

  alright there we go [TS]

  I you know I i can i can see some value [TS]

  in that choice there are things from the [TS]

  tos movies that I find more entertaining [TS]

  than entire seasons of some of the later [TS]

  TV shows like Star Trek one the the guy [TS]

  who holds a ring that has never ever [TS]

  mentioned again in Star Trek lore bill [TS]

  i'm commander Starfleet what is [TS]

  commander Starfleet internet [TS]

  automatically as a comment there it's [TS]

  it's like the Doctor Who of 2030 78 or [TS]

  but scarcely for my potential let's just [TS]

  assume that they discontinued that rank [TS]

  because it sounded ridiculous scott i [TS]

  have to say that when when I was [TS]

  discussing this with my family dinner [TS]

  tonight [TS]

  I i said for example you didn't you [TS]

  wouldn't have to pick one of the lead [TS]

  actors in one of the series you could [TS]

  pick something like Jim sicking as that [TS]

  guy who runs the Excelsior until you [TS]

  take in star trek 3 not realizing how [TS]

  completely insane you would be in [TS]

  choosing captain styles or you could [TS]

  pick the far superior captain of the [TS]

  Excelsior hello captain with us was [TS]

  going to say yours that'll shoot those [TS]

  torpedoes [TS]

  i I'm picking my also i love the [TS]

  Excelsior so I like both captain's both [TS]

  known captains of the Excelsior but you [TS]

  gotta figure I mean the only time we see [TS]

  him he's kind of a buffoon but he has [TS]

  been somewhat decent to get command it [TS]

  right it's an experimental ship know ask [TS]

  before he's the Dudley do-right of [TS]

  Starfleet yeah or the zapp brannigan [TS]

  having watched a lot of Star Trek I i [TS]

  can come with it's my considered opinion [TS]

  that Starfleet officers are not very [TS]

  good [TS]

  space is dangerous and a lot of the a [TS]

  lot of great people just get one great [TS]

  toys lot of gear great ships lot of lot [TS]

  of computers that do the work for you [TS]

  I assume that there's a there's a [TS]

  there's a huge repercussions throughout [TS]

  Starfleet by a lot of people who want [TS]

  to be Kirk and that that has like [TS]

  there's just a lot of space yeah we [TS]

  never seen like they don't get out of [TS]

  the solar system because he manages [TS]

  worked for Kirk there's a generation of [TS]

  captions and idolized him and you have [TS]

  inside my ship a small quantity of flurb [TS]

  Almighty and it will their firing [TS]

  captain oh damn so you basically have [TS]

  like hundreds of captains who have died [TS]

  and hundreds of captains who are like [TS]

  terrified of that and are therefore like [TS]

  cowardly and Craven with no middle [TS]

  ground [TS]

  that's what Starfleet certainly doesn't [TS]

  produce the middle ground I love it I ok [TS]

  since he hasn't been chosen even though [TS]

  this is not a draft i'm going to say [TS]

  gianluca card because although i love [TS]

  captain kirk i also love Captain Picard [TS]

  for different reasons [TS]

  he's great great actor playing him had [TS]

  the if we're going to say Kirk started [TS]

  it all and without without that [TS]

  character in that show there would be no [TS]

  more star trek i have to say i think the [TS]

  the active following an iconic character [TS]

  like that when you're trying to start [TS]

  star trek again and people are like [TS]

  there's this bold English guy with a [TS]

  French name as the captain of the [TS]

  enterprise you're crazy and you know [TS]

  what path patrick stewart want us over [TS]

  because that character and his and his [TS]

  performance and taking that character [TS]

  seriously is one of the things that [TS]

  allows you to take Star Trek The Next [TS]

  Generation seriously especially that [TS]

  first season or two when it's kinda [TS]

  rough sledding [TS]

  so I mean I think I think we can take [TS]

  him for granted and I also really love [TS]

  his you know his some of his later work [TS]

  where he's being tortured and there are [TS]

  four lights and when he is he's a nice [TS]

  clean master you haven't been abducted [TS]

  by the Borg and i really like his uh his [TS]

  stuff in star trek first contact as well [TS]

  I think he does a really good job with [TS]

  that Nobel a line meaning to be drawn [TS]

  here ah I remember when Deep Space nine [TS]

  first started and I think I was probably [TS]

  like 12 or 13 and like one of the first [TS]

  things we learned about cisco was that [TS]

  he doesn't like Picard yeah I was so [TS]

  angry about that cause like I doesn't [TS]

  make any sense [TS]

  I don't understand and like I loved that [TS]

  DJ and I well I was too young and stupid [TS]

  night [TS]

  no and like I basically didn't come back [TS]

  to deep space nine till like eight years [TS]

  later then as I call it turns out well [TS]

  you're Tony not that great [TS]

  I don't worry i'm tony really liked [TS]

  Captain Picard you really like Captain [TS]

  Picard he used words and science to [TS]

  solve all my problems [TS]

  I mean apparently it was it was one of [TS]

  the lowest rated episodes of the next [TS]

  generation but family is one of my [TS]

  favorite episode yes that is one right [TS]

  after the world part 3 essential yeah [TS]

  where he goes home and and it's him and [TS]

  his brother wrestling in a vineyard [TS]

  getting drunk on wine and wrestling a [TS]

  vineyard I can see why you know a lot of [TS]

  fans ago [TS]

  yeah i'm gonna throw and stuff up but [TS]

  it's fantastic [TS]

  I one of one of the few instances of me [TS]

  abusing my power you know moderating [TS]

  stuff for comic conventions and [TS]

  everything was was me asking the guy [TS]

  that runs the Dallas contract hey can [TS]

  you introduce me to the star trek TNG [TS]

  people's manager just so that i can say [TS]

  hi to patrick stewart because seeing him [TS]

  in in my formative years as an actor [TS]

  made me think wow this ridiculous and [TS]

  silly stuff that I like and that I would [TS]

  you know someday you'll want to do there [TS]

  is real craft and dedication and it made [TS]

  me double down on I guess my dramaturgy [TS]

  as a as a young actor and getting to to [TS]

  talk for a few minutes of patrick [TS]

  stewart for me was it was this you know [TS]

  what the one of the few things that I [TS]

  really wanted to do I want to be able to [TS]

  shake his hand and and do the stupid fan [TS]

  you know you mean so much me kind of a [TS]

  thing without it being like you know a [TS]

  marriage proposal that and you it really [TS]

  it was really really special for me [TS]

  watching him put 10 times the effort not [TS]

  just from the first season all the way [TS]

  through the whole thing then just about [TS]

  anybody else in the cast was just [TS]

  because of that I mean that was the [TS]

  training is baked into him and the [TS]

  training that that that came through on [TS]

  screen and it's something that you know [TS]

  that it's something that i recognized in [TS]

  avery brooks to he came from the same [TS]

  kind of powerfully classical theater [TS]

  training and it that that for me changed [TS]

  changed the way that I viewed startrack [TS]

  20mg started coming on as opposed to the [TS]

  reruns of the original show which was [TS]

  funny people in polyester jumping around [TS]

  and you know flirting with girls damn [TS]

  right let me it was all those things [TS]

  well put [TS]

  yes yes it was a lot of things the [TS]

  things we forget his Shatner was a [TS]

  Shakespearean trained actor from Canada [TS]

  EP was submitted well that's a couple [TS]

  steps down Shakespeare's different [TS]

  categories lot more positive we should [TS]

  we should move on i think those i think [TS]

  i'm glad we got gave some honor to lots [TS]

  of Starfleet captain's there i think [TS]

  that's gonna accept Archer experience [TS]

  let's give some dishonored now you still [TS]

  available let us let us move on to [TS]

  dishonor Brianna would you like to [TS]

  dishonor somebody this boy when I now [TS]

  know you know I think something is [TS]

  really interesting about all the the [TS]

  star trek captain's is I think all of [TS]

  them are good you know I you know even [TS]

  Archer stuff i standing under a hand I [TS]

  think there's a piece a piece that you [TS]

  make the characters if you're you know [TS]

  because I don't [TS]

  yeah i i'm not one of his fans just like [TS]

  watches the the show that I like the [TS]

  best and then tunes the rest of the [TS]

  mountain you know I've seen all the Star [TS]

  Trek's multiple times at this point you [TS]

  really don't understand these characters [TS]

  um I i can say so i have to kind of [TS]

  evaluate this question me know like I i [TS]

  run a company so is i watch these star [TS]

  tracks I off and think about these [TS]

  people and who they are is leaders and [TS]

  you know while Kirk come seems more like [TS]

  a frat boy than a captain sometimes I [TS]

  think he's a good leader you know he [TS]

  really believes in the mission he he [TS]

  makes calls that are difficult Picard i [TS]

  think really came introduce this [TS]

  archetype of the adult in the room that [TS]

  will like compromise on things and think [TS]

  through things and put his ego aside but [TS]

  when it comes to being actual beater [TS]

  have to say I think Cisco is the one [TS]

  that brings the least of those qualities [TS]

  forward I'm if you look at the arc of [TS]

  this character it's very much about him [TS]

  and become uncomfortable being the [TS]

  emissary the and you know his kind of [TS]

  internal struggle with now if you look [TS]

  at the way he [TS]

  he handles conflict with this crew is [TS]

  kind of like leaning back and having a [TS]

  smile [TS]

  he's always kind of a hands-off kind of [TS]

  leader in a lot of ways and um you know [TS]

  I don't think he's lucky the way that [TS]

  car keys but I I just think there's [TS]

  there's less deliberateness to his [TS]

  choices so while I think they're all [TS]

  good i think he would be the one that I [TS]

  would least you know pick to like run a [TS]

  starship [TS]

  well that's why I get stuck on a space [TS]

  station so I mean I might only let him [TS]

  to occasionally drive the starship but [TS]

  resident I'm it's just stay here at your [TS]

  station its a bright when he's also he [TS]

  doesn't start as a captain yeah it [TS]

  becomes a captain partway through the [TS]

  series he's a commander so it's in in a [TS]

  way it's it's him learning that yeah [TS]

  anyway he also has that kind of I mean I [TS]

  think Jane we had even more exciting [TS]

  version of it but he has that kind of [TS]

  interesting mission where you're not [TS]

  going to be on a spaceship you're going [TS]

  to be on this space station with a bunch [TS]

  of other non-federation characters [TS]

  hanging around and even your crew is [TS]

  going to have you know jordans and [TS]

  there's gonna be all these political [TS]

  things whereas it's not like the car [TS]

  gets to drop in for episode solve the [TS]

  problem and like head out it's like no [TS]

  you're going to be brokering peace here [TS]

  for like years [TS]

  right that's it is kinda like you know [TS]

  deep space nine is kinda like Casablanca [TS]

  we rise he has to be both Rick and [TS]

  Captain Renault so like he can't just [TS]

  come in and like throw punches because [TS]

  it's like that he's going to be mopping [TS]

  that up for forever right for years I i [TS]

  guess it's just when i think about what [TS]

  makes a good character [TS]

  I mean ways karks law Kirk is like ruled [TS]

  by emotions and impulses in anyways was [TS]

  Picard's flog you know he kind of has [TS]

  that rage sometimes ease hurting he can [TS]

  you know sometimes let that anger that's [TS]

  inside of him kind of go a little bit [TS]

  too far though it's you know buried [TS]

  underneath all this diplomacy I'm you [TS]

  know Archer harbors a lot of frustration [TS]

  at the the Vulcans for keeping their [TS]

  people down and you know Janeway is kind [TS]

  of her idealism [TS]

  morality can kind of get in the way the [TS]

  mission when think about cisco um I i [TS]

  see this theme repeating with this [TS]

  character where it's more about how he [TS]

  feels like you mentioned the the episode [TS]

  where he was debating like assassinating [TS]

  someone that episode is very much framed [TS]

  in terms of how Cisco himself feels [TS]

  about the emotional cost of watching [TS]

  Federation soldiers died how he feels [TS]

  making these choices [TS]

  it's not really ever about the greater [TS]

  mission is like the mission is why he [TS]

  hurts so i'm AI think that all those [TS]

  things make that character less [TS]

  compelling for me personally and I mean [TS]

  honestly part of archers things that [TS]

  he's depressed being Archer burn [TS]

  I don't maybe it's that they try to do [TS]

  too much with cisco right i mean there's [TS]

  at first it's he's got this anger [TS]

  because it is wife is dead and then [TS]

  there's the reconciling with it you know [TS]

  you know being captured / commander / [TS]

  being a father until they they kind of [TS]

  try to do a lot of things with him and [TS]

  maybe that is why sometimes it suffers [TS]

  but it to me that makes it a little more [TS]

  interesting but maybe it makes it a less [TS]

  cohesive character and yeah and and [TS]

  there's you know that they didn't really [TS]

  have a clear idea of where coming they [TS]

  go okay he's a non-believer and he's [TS]

  trapped as an emissary and he has to [TS]

  balance that but they never really [TS]

  figured I mean they sort of made the [TS]

  whole religion thing up on on the fly in [TS]

  or at least it seemed like that and so [TS]

  that was kind of a weird tension and and [TS]

  he himself never quite and maybe this is [TS]

  just every Brooks coming here he never [TS]

  quite seemed like the non-believer he [TS]

  seems so mellow and and going ok I'm [TS]

  rational I'm calm but I'm okay with this [TS]

  i get i get the emissary thing you know [TS]

  he never seemed comfortable being [TS]

  uncomfortable about it [TS]

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  alright let's let's move on David do you [TS]

  have a worst captain for us [TS]

  oh yes oh yes and no no it is not a [TS]

  captain from one of the series it is a [TS]

  captain who only appeared once as far as [TS]

  i remember and could not apparently make [TS]

  a decision on his own [TS]

  you're not taking Alan rock are you I'm [TS]

  taking out on right Jon Arryn that was [TS]

  gonna be I thought it was not a draft [TS]

  it's not a draft another grab taken to [TS]

  that's right captain of the enterprise [TS]

  be you know and it's over bad captain he [TS]

  has to turn to kirk and say oh you give [TS]

  the order to go out he's like Kirk is [TS]

  like no no this is your shadows like [TS]

  Isles you have to assume that he has [TS]

  talents and is just completely flummoxed [TS]

  in the presence of Captain Kirk right [TS]

  he's like he's like no no I think he's [TS]

  like detective bailiffs on homicide he [TS]

  was in the mayor's detail and he gets he [TS]

  gets his pic right and so he picks [TS]

  homicide well Harriman pic spawning to [TS]

  be the enterprise and so everything he [TS]

  turns to Kirk what should i do what [TS]

  should I do [TS]

  well son you're gonna have to take risk [TS]

  if you want to sit in that seat i'm [TS]

  going to go into engineering and save [TS]

  everybody and die but you have to make a [TS]

  decision [TS]

  damn it [TS]

  and he goes off and then he gets sucked [TS]

  into the nexus and into a really bad [TS]

  movie but yeah it's not yeah it's [TS]

  narrated well anyway it's under yeah [TS]

  it's not that it's it's not unselect [TS]

  shinai got but ya know it he's just oh [TS]

  my god and it can be on your inaugural [TS]

  flight and turn everything over to kirk [TS]

  and then lose Kirk because you're an [TS]

  idiot [TS]

  well that's my worst captain he's no [TS]

  good to captain the enterprise and you [TS]

  lose Captain Kirk on top of your ship [TS]

  gets like blown into I mean half i mean [TS]

  that's that's just you know your ear the [TS]

  jinx your the cousin Oliver of Starfleet [TS]

  after that you lost Kirk you never live [TS]

  that down [TS]

  well to be fair it was basically a [TS]

  photo-op voyage [TS]

  yeah he's not prepared for any of this [TS]

  and according to his character [TS]

  background he has I'd he's a spent his [TS]

  childhood reading about the exploits of [TS]

  kirk and friends and so to have his hero [TS]

  standing on the bridge and hovering [TS]

  behind it or at least the three who [TS]

  would show up anything he's the guy with [TS]

  the flurbin might yes that's right we [TS]

  could totally do that [TS]

  yeah i know it didn't work like every [TS]

  other like every other starship captain [TS]

  that you know he dies on the next [TS]

  mission sure if they even let them pile [TS]

  of the ship at that point yeah so he [TS]

  kind of runs into danger because I'm not [TS]

  living down the whole career alright [TS]

  well as long as he doesn't load the ship [TS]

  to Ferris Bueller to drive around not [TS]

  just put it in reverse and they want to [TS]

  know except yep the window is you have a [TS]

  bad captain for me [TS]

  well now a lot of a lot of really great [TS]

  bad captains have been chosen already [TS]

  angry exception of Francisco just say [TS]

  I'm just saying error was made [TS]

  if i were to choose if i were to choose [TS]

  it is a little bit off the wall ability [TS]

  it also has a great deal of thought [TS]

  behind it [TS]

  I i am kind of forced to choose just [TS]

  about every Klingon bird-of-prey command [TS]

  in the history of Star Trek because it [TS]

  can you look at the record in confidence [TS]

  of the Federation the Romulans even the [TS]

  Ferengi for Randy captains are disabling [TS]

  flag shoes and the the Klingon [TS]

  bird-of-prey commanders all could have [TS]

  Kirk dumb luck every once in awhile but [TS]

  in terms of across-the-board competence [TS]

  the closest be the closest you get is [TS]

  general training who dies by bloviating [TS]

  speech [TS]

  yeah he's still he's still the wallet [TS]

  while a torpedo is about to blow up the [TS]

  ship all he does this shouts Shakespeare [TS]

  across the radio and he doesn't even [TS]

  know where Shakespeare came from now [TS]

  none of that Canadian Shakespeare yes my [TS]

  idea captain a general Eiling on [TS]

  Shakespeare and Canadian shakes we're [TS]

  very similar I said I had a lot of [TS]

  concerns about like the way Klingons [TS]

  with wrangle for control and command [TS]

  like how well that would actually really [TS]

  stand up in space especially because I [TS]

  feel like like probably Klingon culture [TS]

  like doesn't really prize a lot of their [TS]

  engineering either so like like how [TS]

  structurally sound of those chips that [TS]

  you know there were tussling and like [TS]

  you think they need to come together a [TS]

  little bit more as a team you know or at [TS]

  least decide like the rules need to be a [TS]

  lot more formal for like you know where [TS]

  we can start budgeting and well calluses [TS]

  rules for having recently watched Star [TS]

  Trek three christopher lloyd is the [TS]

  Klingon bird-of-prey captain and that [TS]

  one he's he's so mad a captain kirk that [TS]

  he decides two to beam down to leaving [TS]

  the ship of manned entirely by malts [TS]

  Ivor malts anyway John volts jungles [TS]

  until you mr. Lloyd left john bolton [TS]

  chat [TS]

  I mean that was his first mistake please [TS]

  John Larroquette in charge and goes down [TS]

  because all the Klingons are sitcom [TS]

  actors in that 1i don't really [TS]

  understand that and just so he can like [TS]

  have a fistfight with Captain Kirk that [TS]

  is not good commanding makes sense never [TS]

  leave Dan fielding in charge of the [TS]

  Chanel what it what it really comes down [TS]

  to in the chatroom the chatroom the chat [TS]

  room is getting ahead of me in my notes [TS]

  the one exception is martock martock is [TS]

  the greatest yelling on star ship [TS]

  commander that their empire has ever [TS]

  seen by far [TS]

  you know he knows what he's doing so my [TS]

  pic has to be every Klingon bird-of-prey [TS]

  commander other than Martok [TS]

  at core Core oh ok except for more than [TS]

  a little trouble with with minor [TS]

  exceptions for the vast majority of Star [TS]

  Trek history the worst captain's arrived [TS]

  on birds of prey what we've learned is [TS]

  that while Starfleet captains are [TS]

  problematic and we question the the [TS]

  competency of their crews you got [TS]

  nothing compared to the Klingon can I [TS]

  say this every writer on Star Trek ever [TS]

  has been racist against Klingons yeah [TS]

  those bastards those great that's better [TS]

  and more [TS]

  Ranma except for Ronnie Moore yeah if [TS]

  Ron Moore had his druthers the Klingons [TS]

  would take over the Federation and they [TS]

  would be the focus of all of it i wish i [TS]

  had more was a little more racist [TS]

  against Klingons that would provide the [TS]

  URL incomparable goes races are just [TS]

  running water haha [TS]

  Star Trek's where the episodes about [TS]

  your honor the captain's that's what I [TS]

  want more of Tony bad captain me kid [TS]

  point of order give a Commodore [TS]

  captain's a ship does he count as a [TS]

  Gaston yes all right I'm gonna go with [TS]

  Commodore Decker Commodore yeah of who [TS]

  and I think you know I think you can [TS]

  pick up a lot on how Kirk gets to be a [TS]

  captain if somehow we let guys like Matt [TS]

  Decker because even higher rank 0 [TS]

  because he made a lot a lot of really [TS]

  poor decisions and I know that like they [TS]

  kind of cascade Commodore Decker is the [TS]

  he's the captain of I think it's the [TS]

  constellation yeah he comes face-to-face [TS]

  with a giant you know space corner [TS]

  office waste any planets and he beams [TS]

  his crew to the safety of the planet [TS]

  even though like the thing he's fighting [TS]

  really looks like it could be a planet [TS]

  and then surprise that doesn't go well [TS]

  for that and then he later takes control [TS]

  of the enterprise because he's a jerk or [TS]

  he's grieving right one of those um but [TS]

  I it seems like he probably I feel like [TS]

  he probably rubber-stamped a lot of Kirk [TS]

  promotions and that you know in the end [TS]

  it doesn't go well for him and there's a [TS]

  great scene where Kirk or Spock to have [TS]

  been relieved of duty but he is he [TS]

  yeah I don't know how he got to go to [TS]

  not only be captain but up to Commodore [TS]

  clearly Starfleet has some problems now [TS]

  this is the question that plagued me [TS]

  since 1979 [TS]

  is will Decker Matt Decker's son [TS]

  yes that explains a lot of the [TS]

  assumption that is the assumption actual [TS]

  and they all felt bad for him and a [TS]

  rubber stamp him to captain yeah and [TS]

  then he went off and was hard in those [TS]

  days you know they didn't let any women [TS]

  be captain so you just cut fifty percent [TS]

  of your total population down and so you [TS]

  know a lot of people got promoted up so [TS]

  that's a great sorry she could have had [TS]

  a full life as much as any woman's I [TS]

  want to I want to hear more about the [TS]

  the sexist will take care of Starfleet I [TS]

  really want i want that to be a movie in [TS]

  our idealized talking future except [TS]

  great one part right sorry yeah Scott [TS]

  give me a bad captain I think that's one [TS]

  of the key components of captaining a [TS]

  starship is being able to tell how many [TS]

  planets are in a star system [TS]

  oh yeah and so the captain that fails [TS]

  that most spectacularly is captain [TS]

  Tyrell of the USS reliance yeah who has [TS]

  no idea that the planets missing in the [TS]

  star system planets folks count decides [TS]

  to beam down meets con quickly is a has [TS]

  a worm in his ear and gets turned over [TS]

  to come he does he does redeem himself [TS]

  by killing himself 55 those things do [TS]

  not a good captain make space is not the [TS]

  planet two things cities [TS]

  yeah that was counting on and no [TS]

  Congress because josh i don't think it's [TS]

  the captain's job to can't count planets [TS]

  I feel like there was an incident side [TS]

  to that and you love checking was justly [TS]

  now Delta mately somebody needs to well [TS]

  if you're the captain you should really [TS]

  know what star systems your entire job [TS]

  is just going from star systems star [TS]

  system scanning planets to make sure [TS]

  that their life in the lifeless you [TS]

  should probably capital he may have [TS]

  cultivated the wrong talent but I mean I [TS]

  just you know I don't think it's not his [TS]

  job account planets that's not an [TS]

  executive-level decision but the [TS]

  gold-pressed latinum stops here [TS]

  I i think you're right i I think that's [TS]

  a good one I'm going to take another so [TS]

  we can move on to the next category [TS]

  another quick pic for me I thought about [TS]

  bad captain kirk the half of him are [TS]

  removed by the transporter accident and [TS]

  turned into government someone eyeliner [TS]

  and lots of shouting [TS]

  and lots of saurian brandy but i'm going [TS]

  to with Captain Ron Tracy you may know [TS]

  him [TS]

  captain from a very terrible actually [TS]

  episode of Star Trek the original series [TS]

  one of those ones that Briana probably [TS]

  was forced to watch by her husband where [TS]

  they beam down to a planet turns out [TS]

  there's a Starfleet captain from the [TS]

  from the from the US exeter captain [TS]

  Tracey who has become a warlord on a [TS]

  warlike planet where the Yang's and the [TS]

  combs are locked in eternal struggle a [TS]

  terrible episode got her mad happen [TS]

  that's a bad captain because he [TS]

  basically like goes completely native [TS]

  and is like taking over with these [TS]

  warlords and and is a is the bad guy and [TS]

  I I even wonder how gene roddenberry I [TS]

  mean this was from his story [TS]

  well he was he was obsessed with that [TS]

  story was one of the original milan [TS]

  trips and script and then they kept [TS]

  saying no we don't like this story that [TS]

  don't do this story and it was it was [TS]

  like what the middle of the second [TS]

  season that they made it was obsessed [TS]

  with it i think it's symbolic that your [TS]

  pick for worst captain has to do with a [TS]

  Roddenberry obsession which is among the [TS]

  worst things to ever befall started this [TS]

  is a for those who don't know this is [TS]

  the episode where it turns out that [TS]

  there's an American flag because this is [TS]

  one of those parallel universe or [TS]

  parallel planets where it is totally [TS]

  earth except with I don't know how do [TS]

  they not noticed with different [TS]

  continents but with the same nice jog [TS]

  raphy the same flag will they have [TS]

  veggie rice so we plug meestah I weren't [TS]

  sun worshippers uh anyway that's a [TS]

  totally different a different episode [TS]

  but any other episode not great but yes [TS]

  anyway so I'm going to pick him he's a [TS]

  bad captain he shouldn't be remembered [TS]

  fondly and his family doesn't get a [TS]

  pension I'm and just I'm sorry that has [TS]

  to be how it is [TS]

  let's move on to aliens we're going to [TS]

  talk really quickly about best and worst [TS]

  aliens moisture is when you go first [TS]

  no best or worst best best I not [TS]

  skirting the the probable popular [TS]

  favorites just for the sake of doing so [TS]

  but because of the introduction of a [TS]

  couple of absolute favorite in all of [TS]

  Star Trek characters i have to pick as [TS]

  best aliens the Cardassian because [TS]

  without their introduction we would not [TS]

  have to contact and we would [TS]

  and have Derek who are two of the most [TS]

  emotionally complex and personality [TS]

  complex characters in all of the star [TS]

  trek series for me that's that's the [TS]

  simple quick and dirty answer that that [TS]

  doesn't have a whole lot to back it up [TS]

  other than than selfish joy at what the [TS]

  into the introduction of that race [TS]

  brought us in the form of more more more [TS]

  depth to the tapestry of of one of the [TS]

  series I like that they're introduces [TS]

  this you know Marshall race that's kind [TS]

  of their awful with weird goatees and [TS]

  stuff that I'll get recommend i really [TS]

  like that they are that they have a [TS]

  revolution back home I think that's [TS]

  really neat that's a fun thing that [TS]

  happens in deep space nine is that they [TS]

  have their revolution and they overthrow [TS]

  the military government I think that's [TS]

  kinda cool but a Cardassian like kind of [TS]

  this this weird sin in some places [TS]

  allegory for saudi arabia iran iran [TS]

  especially i would say if you're looking [TS]

  at middle eastern countries that have [TS]

  those kinds of popular uprisings and [TS]

  iron fist dictatorships that follow them [TS]

  yeah that that have that kind of [TS]

  devotional nature to them that there was [TS]

  something that especially as deep space [TS]

  nine was running was what made them more [TS]

  interesting to me as more than just [TS]

  another wrinkly forehead i'm just a [TS]

  simple tailor its scott the best until [TS]

  seasons you know it's not the best alien [TS]

  with the Kardashians were were on my [TS]

  list as well they were in second place [TS]

  to the Romulans which I enjoy kind of [TS]

  you know the the bad Vulcans the Vulcans [TS]

  that that feel they have a Star Empire [TS]

  they have cool ships they have shoulder [TS]

  pads what what more could you want an [TS]

  alien race it's through strong argument [TS]

  there with some shoulder pads back you [TS]

  can't beat it [TS]

  I David best alien well I i was thinking [TS]

  in terms of actual character not [TS]

  necessarily the whole raise that's fine [TS]

  but I i would I mean it goes [TS]

  hand-in-hand really spoke in the Vulcans [TS]

  for me mainly because most of the other [TS]

  races especially the ones we get to know [TS]

  over time [TS]

  are pretty straightforward and and just [TS]

  as a writer the challenge of writing and [TS]

  unemotional you know a cold character [TS]

  and still trying to make them [TS]

  interesting and still trying to give [TS]

  that depth to them that always intrigued [TS]

  me and then especially because Spock is [TS]

  have fuckin half-human I me not to go [TS]

  with the half-breed trope that that TV [TS]

  and movies love but that and again you [TS]

  know what Nimoy brought to that was just [TS]

  really interesting and maybe you know [TS]

  you again you just wanted to write that [TS]

  and and you know right up in second [TS]

  place would be Garrick and ducati the [TS]

  Cardassian for me because again it's the [TS]

  same it's the same thing they're [TS]

  interesting characters within this [TS]

  larger race and they're different than [TS]

  eight and they bring in again that depth [TS]

  that makes the ds9 interesting after the [TS]

  first year and a half so alright that's [TS]

  iip can't go wrong with the Vulcans Tony [TS]

  you have a best alien for me [TS]

  yeah I I'm gonna go with the the board [TS]

  as kind of the best villain you know I [TS]

  mean we get introduced to a lot of [TS]

  aliens and and some just are therefore [TS]

  once like you know we mentioned the [TS]

  bynar sweet hopefully we don't go back [TS]

  to them alot and and there's something [TS]

  that they introduced the pack lids that [TS]

  they takes them a while to kind of [TS]

  figure out what they're gonna do with it [TS]

  and i'll touch on that on some of my [TS]

  thoughts on the worst aliens but the [TS]

  board are kind of one of those ones that [TS]

  they have like the singular vision for [TS]

  them is this villain is forcing their [TS]

  kind of the the anti-federation right [TS]

  instead of like everyone come together [TS]

  cooperated solve problems it's like now [TS]

  we are working out you will be absorbed [TS]

  into this unified evil and they probably [TS]

  go back to the board well a little bit [TS]

  more than that they should you know i [TS]

  love deep space nine a lot which is you [TS]

  know does not have a lot of bourget [TS]

  compared to other stuff but I think [TS]

  they're they're pretty well playing this [TS]

  represent board free [TS]

  yeah so I'm going with the board all [TS]

  right Briana you have a best alien for [TS]

  me I have to agree with that i think the [TS]

  Borg when the board show up that's when [TS]

  Star Trek gets home [TS]

  it's real [TS]

  it's the best episode of TNG I had the [TS]

  best of both worlds is when Voyager gets [TS]

  awesome you know [TS]

  unquestionably I think it's up to debate [TS]

  with the very best Star Trek movie is [TS]

  but your first contact is in the running [TS]

  yes and I i think that I I thought a lot [TS]

  about what makes the board so compelling [TS]

  and I think Star Trek more than any [TS]

  other science-fiction theme it's really [TS]

  about you know it's it's a great [TS]

  metaphor for Humanity in the different [TS]

  personality types and racial complex and [TS]

  things like that that we that we have [TS]

  and I think what makes the boards such a [TS]

  great like analog to that is the stakes [TS]

  are so high because all of that [TS]

  individuality is just a race with them [TS]

  they're not just a threat to your race [TS]

  their threat to end of a verizon [TS]

  everything reality exactly a huge no [TS]

  theme of Star Trek is the individual and [TS]

  discovering you know the individual that [TS]

  Spock Sark that seven of nines arc you [TS]

  know this jazzy is arc in the sick huge [TS]

  theme within the show so I i think i [TS]

  know it's a predictable answer but I [TS]

  think it's very defensible answer agree [TS]

  if this was a vote [TS]

  the board would have just one how many [TS]

  the the only reason is what winning [TS]

  feels like the only reason that I would [TS]

  have held off picking them is that call [TS]

  me star trek racist but but I I i have [TS]

  trouble thinking of of things that are [TS]

  artificial intelligence as alien [TS]

  sentient beings and that's just because [TS]

  I i guess i have an inbred prejudice [TS]

  against robot but the board challenge on [TS]

  the boards of cyborg i'm not saying that [TS]

  one singles reasonable Jason what I'm [TS]

  saying is I'm admitting that i'm going [TS]

  to get and I sorry [TS]

  shame on you boys I'm sorry excellent [TS]

  choice and you should have picked it to [TS]

  it is i just have to have something [TS]

  resistance is futile i'm changing my [TS]

  answer i think Briana you made one of [TS]

  the good things about Voyager and star [TS]

  trek first contact is I feel like they [TS]

  redeem the board after next generation [TS]

  kind of lost track what to do with them [TS]

  well you know I kind of like the hue [TS]

  bored episode but it opens this like [TS]

  opens this Pandora's box with the with [TS]

  the Lord [TS]

  episodes to send ya where the board get [TS]

  really kind of d powered and messed up [TS]

  and are not as scary as they are and the [TS]

  Voyager because voyagers on the run and [TS]

  then the end they're scarier and seven [TS]

  brings this whole other perspective to [TS]

  it that we didn't really get with you or [TS]

  with the cards brief time as the board [TS]

  and and those stories made the board the [TS]

  board we're going as a next-generation [TS]

  family they were going in kind of a bad [TS]

  direction and the only kinda likes hold [TS]

  it back the other direction and the [TS]

  man-made the much back to being a [TS]

  classic billions they were the beginning [TS]

  there's also a really good episode of [TS]

  enterprise at the pork butt right but [TS]

  they never know really who they are [TS]

  because yeah of continuity reasons [TS]

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  incomparable i'm going to really quickly [TS]

  I'm going to pick my favorite star [TS]

  Kailyn is the Horta from the original [TS]

  series [TS]

  she's like Frank sadness and right yeah [TS]

  how you feel how do you feel about [TS]

  lasagnas reason just wondering if [TS]

  there's any correlation like that love [TS]

  the Horta because the Horta is a the [TS]

  silicon-based life-form so we truly [TS]

  alien life-form it's the monster [TS]

  alien life-form it's the monster [TS]

  but it turns out guys it turns out the [TS]

  real monster is us because they've been [TS]

  taking her eggs as prices and cracking [TS]

  them and stuff and just being awful and [TS]

  that she's just trying to protect your [TS]

  ex man and in the end [TS]

  Spock mind melds with her and and they [TS]

  figured things out and she brings back [TS]

  how in a blob could steal a very [TS]

  specific part from a reactor is beyond [TS]

  me but it doesn't matter i think that's [TS]

  a really cool that was one of the [TS]

  moments as a kid especially was like wow [TS]

  that that monster is good and I can [TS]

  understand its motivations and I think [TS]

  Star Trek is great when it's like what [TS]

  it takes you completely out of what your [TS]

  expectations are going to be and that [TS]

  was one of those original Star Trek [TS]

  moments where the thing you thought was [TS]

  a was typically a monster is actually [TS]

  somebody that you have to think of as a [TS]

  as a living intelligent being even [TS]

  though you did you know it doesn't have [TS]

  limbs or anything [TS]

  it is a blob it is like a big pancake or [TS]

  lasagna space lisanna i really love [TS]

  working because it is so alien and yet [TS]

  in the end it's just a mom protecting [TS]

  her babies [TS]

  I think that and Hort omelets are [TS]

  delicious they are what they taste like [TS]

  sand Scott that's right [TS]

  mm anyway i like the word to my success [TS]

  you have a bad alien for us i have to [TS]

  unequivocally pic somewhat related to [TS]

  the point that people raised on on some [TS]

  alien races just in the other direction [TS]

  the beyond her i mean the traveller [TS]

  traveller traveller traveller his creepy [TS]

  spaceman and it's not because back it's [TS]

  not it's not because I think he's [TS]

  necessarily so bad of a character or [TS]

  anything it's that he's he's a deus ex [TS]

  macking it that's that shows up and then [TS]

  just kind of really cute with less [TS]

  charisma exactly like he's like he's [TS]

  like you know honorable mention cute [TS]

  he's cute powerful but our rivers [TS]

  naresse yeah yeah he's he's sometimes y [TS]

  or 3 z's I could never take this it [TS]

  seriously the scenes where he's like [TS]

  helping like overclock the enterprise [TS]

  it's like if your all-powerful like you [TS]

  don't want to be like working some other [TS]

  people's interface that just seems [TS]

  really the media [TS]

  seriously sup feel loved the electrodes [TS]

  and he doesn't take Wesley away though [TS]

  so his real name is unpronounceable by [TS]

  humans you know [TS]

  yeah what yeah what do you think Wesley [TS]

  wanted to go off to military school [TS]

  after you get back from hanging out you [TS]

  know that guys are always on you have [TS]

  your gap year and then you go to college [TS]

  yeah your gap year is traveling the [TS]

  universe with the traveler learning to [TS]

  open your mind to new community should [TS]

  be ready for every I just look at your [TS]

  vm yeah [TS]

  Wesley did get credit it turns out for [TS]

  traveling you have to major in traveling [TS]

  though unfortunately that's the downside [TS]

  de traveled the untold mysteries of the [TS]

  multiverse and then he comes back and [TS]

  decides you know what I want to go to [TS]

  school [TS]

  what so in where no one has gone before [TS]

  the traveler is kind of interesting [TS]

  because he's this weird like you know [TS]

  over this weird alien with powers was [TS]

  behind it all [TS]

  and.and you think like wow I wonder if [TS]

  you'll ever come back wouldn't that be [TS]

  interesting and the answer is no not [TS]

  really that interesting when he comes [TS]

  he's much less interesting well man it's [TS]

  gonna be so cool hey its back up off [TS]

  wesley crusher cuz I'll defend him don't [TS]

  let him to the death no it's just the [TS]

  traveler out not a not okay alright with [TS]

  you there with your right scott give me [TS]

  a bad alien i have on my notes here [TS]

  whatever Neelix is Maxie and relaxin why [TS]

  we're always made me even the chatroom [TS]

  knew I didn't want I blocked it out of [TS]

  my memory and I didn't want to bother to [TS]

  look at me but that seemed easy too easy [TS]

  of a choice [TS]

  oh how what are you looking to do [TS]

  especially so I'm picking the assurance [TS]

  or they were on my list they were my [TS]

  backup [TS]

  oh yeah [TS]

  wow yeah that was there the wrinkly no [TS]

  space is because they're boring Scott it [TS]

  is because they are obscenely boring i [TS]

  love deep space 9 [TS]

  I hate any bridge or in religious [TS]

  centered episode of deep space here let [TS]

  me let me feel your palm [TS]

  no that's operate no no I don't care [TS]

  about the kinds i don't care about the [TS]

  orbs I don't care about the earrings i [TS]

  like here in the reefs as a character [TS]

  think she's a great cast but the Jordans [TS]

  as a whole so boring [TS]

  yeah more like it bore jordans uh-huh [TS]

  the last thing I wanted to hear Jadzia [TS]

  Dax a was major Kira it's vetiver aisle [TS]

  are you know that's not what about war [TS]

  orphans how do you feel about war [TS]

  orphans [TS]

  no I think they're they're really only [TS]

  interesting in relation to the the [TS]

  Cardassian yeah and I when you put those [TS]

  two together they're kind of like Batman [TS]

  and the Joker you know like yeah it's [TS]

  going that bad man in this tonight yeah [TS]

  i don't think i might take offense at [TS]

  this [TS]

  yeah well I Val Kilmer Batman I think [TS]

  that they have a lot of anger [TS]

  frustration in oppression that's [TS]

  interesting as characters but yeah i [TS]

  agree that like is it as an alien [TS]

  species in and of themselves they're [TS]

  they're just kind of boring like they [TS]

  don't really have a trait you know they [TS]

  exist to be oppressed like they're not [TS]

  nearly as rich in texture as the [TS]

  Cardassians are not just talking about [TS]

  their facial applications then one of [TS]

  just isn't as much to them unfortunately [TS]

  one of the problems that the Deep Space [TS]

  Nine Riders had is they were sketching [TS]

  out gold ducat as you know this awful [TS]

  guy that the audience should hate and he [TS]

  keeps talking about how many jordans [TS]

  he's killed but the audiences love them [TS]

  because everybody doesn't like the [TS]

  shorts there's some interesting things [TS]

  happening because they they have so [TS]

  little personality other they're great [TS]

  cooks and they're very spiritual nice [TS]

  pacifist people but what did they ever [TS]

  do for anybody really can we ask i think [TS]

  that's the issue is i think the majority [TS]

  are kind of an enemy to drama in and [TS]

  they tried they had checked terrorists [TS]

  and things like that but I never really [TS]

  believed that the majority's were really [TS]

  you know tough or problematic in anyway [TS]

  because they wanted to make them like [TS]

  these they're very spiritual people and [TS]

  they just [TS]

  got out of this planet wide occupation [TS]

  so they're all just about being happy [TS]

  now man [TS]

  and here is an interesting character [TS]

  because she's a military person who kind [TS]

  of fights against some of the [TS]

  stereotypes of her people but the people [TS]

  themselves [TS]

  yeah that was there was an awful lot of [TS]

  the German stuff in deep space nine that [TS]

  was boring [TS]

  there's also the tricky thing there were [TS]

  like they're kind of setup is like it's [TS]

  gonna be interesting because they're [TS]

  going to be working with the Federation [TS]

  but they're not going to join the [TS]

  federation it's like you have invested a [TS]

  lot of Star Trek and basically selling [TS]

  us on how great the Federation usually [TS]

  is and you haven't really given us an [TS]

  interesting idea for why these guys [TS]

  don't want to join the federation other [TS]

  than that can be a point of tension [TS]

  right now the episode where Cara goes [TS]

  undercover with the monkey with a bunch [TS]

  of merger with Jordans and there's this [TS]

  old man who kind of reminds her of her [TS]

  dad and he cooks for he's a great cook [TS]

  and and she starts to kind of go native [TS]

  with the revolutionaries there was no [TS]

  clear motivation as to why she had [TS]

  changed other than maybe I was really [TS]

  that good of a club and that there was [TS]

  never any cell to me a sports sports the [TS]

  response ok [TS]

  must've been the sports but for me there [TS]

  is no cannon radiated there's no cell to [TS]

  me of what their real motivation was [TS]

  other than they were the oppressed and [TS]

  served an outline purpose of being the [TS]

  oppressed there was there is no great [TS]

  amazing but Jordan episode the Jordans [TS]

  just were because they kind of had to be [TS]

  to serve a functional yes and like you [TS]

  could have probably done something [TS]

  interesting about like we just got out [TS]

  from under Cardassian rule obviously the [TS]

  Federation is great but like we need to [TS]

  figure out who we are and like and [TS]

  something like that but that's not in [TS]

  there right a little too seen saintly [TS]

  for me too [TS]

  yeah you know I i did i just felt like [TS]

  they were never meant to be an opponent [TS]

  of the Federation and so they were then [TS]

  sort of less interesting because they [TS]

  were like our bodies on that planet down [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah every every time we really dealt [TS]

  with jordans for the most part it was [TS]

  sort of like the difference between [TS]

  dealing with vatican city and dealing [TS]

  with a church halfway around the world [TS]

  they were always dealing with the Pope [TS]

  and how much experience do you have with [TS]

  this and find out just taking notes like [TS]

  you're not dealing with everybody else [TS]

  on the planet you're just dealing with [TS]

  the veteran in the chi is it's like who [TS]

  cares [TS]

  series that's not interesting but the [TS]

  majority's header had a pope that didn't [TS]

  add that had lots of free time lots and [TS]

  lots of a three-time two rooms major [TS]

  religiously based spaceballs potato [TS]

  David you have a bad alien free [TS]

  oh yes we sort of hinted at him before [TS]

  he is the more charismatic traveler I [TS]

  hate Q I enjoy q but I hate Q because he [TS]

  is a deus ex machina I mean the first [TS]

  time we meet the Borg it's because he [TS]

  flashes over there and the only way the [TS]

  enterprise gets away is that he goes [TS]

  snap and they go away [TS]

  no no no no and a major almost every [TS]

  time once in a while I would like a [TS]

  queue episode my favorite q episode is [TS]

  the only one except the finale that is [TS]

  not titled with Q opposites tapestry [TS]

  that's a great one and you know and and [TS]

  even even the finale has a giant giant [TS]

  gap in logic that's a whole other story [TS]

  and so that that you know I just I hate [TS]

  Q every time because it was just so [TS]

  let's let's do Q he's all-powerful and [TS]

  anything can happen and you know I loved [TS]

  Ben Sisko punching him out for instance [TS]

  yeah so you know it was very cathartic [TS]

  and i like i like john de lancie thought [TS]

  he did a fine job with a problematic [TS]

  character maybe a little too far [TS]

  sometimes and then the parts of tapestry [TS]

  that make me cringe are mostly him being [TS]

  silly but yeah I just I I couldn't stand [TS]

  it I could I could even take the [TS]

  traveler just because he's mellow he [TS]

  doesn't really bother you and he goes oh [TS]

  yeah by the way I can do this goodbye [TS]

  it's like a spa surfer yeah yeah i'm not [TS]

  a big fan of you either so I'm not gonna [TS]

  lie i don't know if he's the worst but i [TS]

  think we set on a previous star trek [TS]

  related episode at some point i'm not a [TS]

  huge fan because of that but not [TS]

  necessarily because of the character [TS]

  itself but that it is so powerful that Q [TS]

  ends up being a a plot solution and yeah [TS]

  those episodes you can almost ignore [TS]

  what's the logic because it Q is going [TS]

  to solve it in the end I mean is you [TS]

  feeling he's not really a villain [TS]

  because they can't really fight him [TS]

  right [TS]

  they can't conquer them they can't you [TS]

  mean which is fine that could [TS]

  has been interesting but they never did [TS]

  anything with it and but again it was a [TS]

  rotten very thing so there you go [TS]

  Tony available i'm gonna go with the the [TS]

  Ferengi yeah there's my back i think i [TS]

  mentioned the thing where they like [TS]

  sometimes introduce an alien and then [TS]

  don't really figure out what they're [TS]

  gonna do with them to later and that's [TS]

  like they really try to salvage the [TS]

  Ferengi were supposed to be clinging [TS]

  onto the action they were scary yeah see [TS]

  how that worked out great [TS]

  they had those whips that will never see [TS]

  interesting look at blue whips yeah that [TS]

  was kinda cool but they we couldn't take [TS]

  them seriously and then they became [TS]

  annoying comic relief and i really like [TS]

  deep space nine but the Frankie episodes [TS]

  are on those are I think those are below [TS]

  the click on episode with possible [TS]

  exception a little green men they are [TS]

  they are painful I i would say i would [TS]

  say i don't really agree with that it's [TS]

  not because I don't like the Frankie I [TS]

  mean I like the Frankie you like you I [TS]

  can skip for those episodes because [TS]

  there's so much annoying characters and [TS]

  by the way the worst episode boys heard [TS]

  once with Frankie but i think they serve [TS]

  a really vital plot purpose and I think [TS]

  like his star trek is really optimistic [TS]

  vision of where humanity can go and [TS]

  there are a lot of really cool things so [TS]

  yeah I was talking on twitter today one [TS]

  of the things I really enjoy about Star [TS]

  Trek is when you know like they're all [TS]

  working on the ship together like the [TS]

  men justice in the women know what [TS]

  they're doing which is a really cool [TS]

  awesome future so and I think the [TS]

  Frankie are kind of a counterpoint to [TS]

  that to the itto pianism where they're [TS]

  kind of holding onto this materialism [TS]

  and and greed that kind of defines like [TS]

  this current age of humanity and I I [TS]

  think like they're annoying but they [TS]

  serve a really important plot purpose [TS]

  because of that and you know I korkin [TS]

  and O's whatever you want to define the [TS]

  relationship with his is charming and [TS]

  one of my favorite parts of abuse is not [TS]

  yeah I enjoy cork I yes sort of let the [TS]

  rest and you know it is cool that like [TS]

  not gets to to be a cadet right and that [TS]

  kind of shows like you know eventually [TS]

  the Federation everyone everyone will [TS]

  find their place eventually but yeah [TS]

  they're the water so broadly drawn [TS]

  that it's yeah yeah I'll also mention [TS]

  you know in Voyager there's the aliens [TS]

  called species 8472 yeah which I i don't [TS]

  i thought those were really cool in [TS]

  concept because like they were so [TS]

  different from everything out there but [TS]

  the cgi implementation was kind of [TS]

  disappointing for me at the time really [TS]

  doesn't hold out you know [TS]

  yeah but they worked at the idea was so [TS]

  great right they're not going to just [TS]

  look like people in suits they live in [TS]

  fluid space they're you know they're [TS]

  this thing that like the board is [TS]

  basically afraid of like they I mean I [TS]

  guess you know it was gonna be hard to [TS]

  live up to that but well if you look at [TS]

  them from 3d perspective they're just [TS]

  very flat shaded and you kind may have [TS]

  no texture to have no texture on it it's [TS]

  a marathon they hang out again at all [TS]

  your integrity fluid space but they have [TS]

  here in non-food Spanish that's the [TS]

  problem glad I resented Begley Brianna [TS]

  you have a bad feeling for me [TS]

  oh man I you know I think I I said it [TS]

  with the majority of my choice right [TS]

  there [TS]

  um I i think i don't know i think i [TS]

  think even I i could blast the Gorn but [TS]

  you know I was talking to Frank about [TS]

  this on the yeah because it was right [TS]

  now that mirror episode of enterprise is [TS]

  pretty cool though right he's cool in [TS]

  and have any of you guys ever played [TS]

  eyes startrack 2000 i think it was 2010 [TS]

  star trek game is maybe an unreal candy [TS]

  is applied that is so awesome because [TS]

  it's the Gorn it's like a shooter we're [TS]

  fighting Gorn the entire time and they [TS]

  have the world's best commercial for it [TS]

  where like Captain Kirk like me older [TS]

  william shatner is on the couch playing [TS]

  yeah it's hilarious like playing the [TS]

  actual Gorn in this game so yeah I can [TS]

  say they're terrible alien species [TS]

  because like they're really awesome we [TS]

  get see the rest of them in this [TS]

  expanded universe so I just gonna stick [TS]

  with Jordans uh I am going to i'm going [TS]

  to oppose Scott and say I think the [TS]

  Romulans of the worst aliens really rom [TS]

  um I don't like the shoulder judgy much [TS]

  i think the I think there missy i [TS]

  misused I think the oh well we'll just [TS]

  use the Vulcan makeup and do that again [TS]

  and they're like bad Vulcans but they're [TS]

  really just Vulcans [TS]

  balance of terror is a classic it's a [TS]

  wonderful episode but i think that there [TS]

  are not a lot of great use of the [TS]

  Romulans I I'll point you to the the [TS]

  let's bring back Tasha Yar as a Romulan [TS]

  are all as one elderly are particularly [TS]

  unfortunate and I think while the [TS]

  Klingons benefited greatly from some [TS]

  let's be honest some writers who really [TS]

  liked the Klingons like Ron Moore and [TS]

  and having having a wharf on the bridge [TS]

  of the enterprise all of that we got to [TS]

  explore Klingon culture and and and [TS]

  really flesh out the Klingons but from [TS]

  being the cartoon villains that they [TS]

  were the Romulans I feel when the other [TS]

  direction which is I think the Romulans [TS]

  were much more intriguing characters at [TS]

  the beginning when we first see them in [TS]

  the original Star Trek but then the more [TS]

  we saw of them the less interesting they [TS]

  got to me and and you know and then it [TS]

  culminates in nemesis which is in a bad [TS]

  movie that has lots of Romulans in it [TS]

  well technically it has Raymond's which [TS]

  are awful [TS]

  hey thank you Scott never change never [TS]

  to have them both the Romulans are in [TS]

  there for maybe five minutes and it is a [TS]

  part of the underrated and kind of [TS]

  misused Romulan race they dive in about [TS]

  two seconds a dodgy alternative the [TS]

  realm's which make no sense and also [TS]

  eric bana would like you to fire [TS]

  everything because he is also a very [TS]

  disturbed Romulan in the in Star Trek [TS]

  and the weakest thing in the Star Trek [TS]

  JJ Abrams movie I think anyway i don't i [TS]

  don't love them i think I I could have [TS]

  said they're overrated but i think they [TS]

  are the worst no III you've already [TS]

  mentioned the Germans in the Ferengi who [TS]

  are the other two ones on my list so [TS]

  i'll throw in the Romulans I think the [TS]

  Romulans are not as good as they should [TS]

  be as to of as the two major alien races [TS]

  in startrack I think they have they put [TS]

  it this way i think they deserve some [TS]

  love in like on TV or in movies and and [TS]

  some better treatment from from the [TS]

  writers that they've got 90 in some of [TS]

  the books but not yeah not an indicated [TS]

  the show portrayal i think next [TS]

  generation especially kind of just lost [TS]

  it with the Romulans they seem kind of [TS]

  scared to figure out what they were [TS]

  gonna do with them and so they're just [TS]

  kind of mysterious an isolationist for a [TS]

  law very long tight [TS]

  I mean any any Romulan novel by dying [TS]

  Dwayne yeah those are the one well worth [TS]

  reading those of those that those that's [TS]

  good stuff 300 stuff which is sort of [TS]

  not reflected in anything that they [TS]

  actually did in the show [TS]

  unfortunately yeah and that shows the [TS]

  opposite side of what I said about the [TS]

  Vulcans is you know hear you're taking [TS]

  this thing and they've got a little more [TS]

  emotion and they actually made it less [TS]

  interesting this brief break in the [TS]

  action is not an ad so much as a little [TS]

  promotion for the incomparable i just [TS]

  want to mention if you are a fan of [TS]

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  alright we're going to move to the [TS]

  lightning round before we go we got a [TS]

  lightning round where you're going to [TS]

  say things that are gonna blow [TS]

  everybody's mind which is we're gonna go [TS]

  overrated and underrated thing from Star [TS]

  Trek will try to keep this on the short [TS]

  side because it's getting late but I [TS]

  want to I want to do this because it [TS]

  would be weird and i have no idea what [TS]

  people are going to say [TS]

  Brianna do you have an overrated thing [TS]

  from Star Trek actually want to give me [TS]

  both give me an overrated thing and an [TS]

  underrated thing from start I think the [TS]

  most overrated thing our first officers [TS]

  and star trek they almost always stuff [TS]

  no Spock second account because he's a [TS]

  science on yes and major carrier is not [TS]

  going to count because scheana she's not [TS]

  really first officer liaison Chakotay [TS]

  sucks yeah the guy kinda sucks yeah and [TS]

  you said you know those two responding [TS]

  to write this in the schedule beard [TS]

  though I I think we need to just own [TS]

  that and admit it and embrace it [TS]

  so I gosh list underrated thing in [TS]

  startrack move [TS]

  I had a really good one now I'm blanking [TS]

  like can come back to me in a minute [TS]

  okay okay we'll go through override are [TS]

  gonna come back [TS]

  ok we'll just do it that way with us our [TS]

  conventional way David Lord you have [TS]

  some overrated for us [TS]

  I got something overrated Roddenberry oh [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  I am I want you in seven ways yeah [TS]

  almost everything awful about the [TS]

  original series i mean yeah okay he be [TS]

  created the show but almost everything [TS]

  awful about it came from him too and and [TS]

  you know it just hate the way he would [TS]

  rewrite things I mean fine yeah I get [TS]

  that you want consistency want everyone [TS]

  to sound like and yes that's fine and [TS]

  and no Harlan Ellison city on the edge [TS]

  of forever wouldn't quite have worked [TS]

  the way he wrote it right it's just it [TS]

  would Roddenberry Dwight didn't rewrite [TS]

  it Dorothy Fontana rerouted and that's [TS]

  right if you read as you i think you [TS]

  just did as you escalated these are the [TS]

  voyages it's very clear that all the [TS]

  gene roddenberry had the original idea [TS]

  and he definitely set the tone in the [TS]

  people who have probably the most to [TS]

  getting the original series to be what [TS]

  we think of it now are Dorothy Fontana [TS]

  and gene Coon not gene roddenberry Gene [TS]

  Roddenberry brought the characters he is [TS]

  definitely very responsible for it but [TS]

  he is not the sole creator of this thing [TS]

  because so much of the contributions [TS]

  were made by Fontana and coon one and [TS]

  you you just anticipated my underrated I [TS]

  underrated is Jean Coonan and ortho [TS]

  panic all right because I mean how much [TS]

  of it came from them [TS]

  Spock's parents the the Vulcan history [TS]

  the prime directive the Klingon our [TS]

  fleet is a started lee jeans because you [TS]

  know except of Starfleet Command all of [TS]

  that is Jim Coon in fontana Jean who's [TS]

  who's taken amphetamines basically speed [TS]

  to write all the episodes and rewrite [TS]

  all these other episodes it's just [TS]

  creates a crazy story but then you know [TS]

  when when you look I mean the beautiful [TS]

  thing in these are the voyages is that [TS]

  you get that list of every draft and who [TS]

  did every drink yeah who touched up and [TS]

  who rewrote whom when and you know and [TS]

  and some of those you look at and it's [TS]

  like half the page or almost the whole [TS]

  page is this list of how many drafts [TS]

  they were and then you get to things [TS]

  like devil in the dark where there's [TS]

  like what three lines four lines and [TS]

  it's all gene Coon yeah and that one [TS]

  turned out great so I'll also point out [TS]

  22 just further your point here after [TS]

  Star Trek the motion picture paramount [TS]

  basically took Gene Roddenberry away [TS]

  from creative control of Star Trek and [TS]

  Star Trek to our Bennett who just died [TS]

  recently was put in charge of star trek [TS]

  to basically two [TS]

  and then on 2 3 4 5 34 and then brought [TS]

  back for 6i think five not so much [TS]

  no he was in five was indeed yeah just [TS]

  452 yeah he did he was only producing [TS]

  with the dead so I well 555 would send [TS]

  anybody offer from yes but but the point [TS]

  is he was brought in to to do save it to [TS]

  turn the franchise around which he did [TS]

  and as we know Roddenberry for health [TS]

  reasons stepped away from the next [TS]

  generation sort of into it with the end [TS]

  of the second season and quite honestly [TS]

  that's when that show started getting [TS]

  good to consider his mitts off of it and [TS]

  stop saying we can't have conflict [TS]

  because if in the future everybody's [TS]

  perfect so yeah it's like everyone [TS]

  everyone that he brought in with him [TS]

  from the original series on to next [TS]

  generation left pretty quickly [TS]

  I can't wait to hear from the people who [TS]

  have detailed nine-page websites [TS]

  explained to me the brilliance of Gene [TS]

  Roddenberry and how he's a genius [TS]

  because the parallels with George Lucas [TS]

  are spectacular [TS]

  you really have to look at the [TS]

  unpublished you do you know like around [TS]

  Moises give me a little overrated thing [TS]

  even doesn't do lightning [TS]

  I've gotta I've gotta start underrated [TS]

  because I just blanked on overrated [TS]

  ok I'm not yet underrated underrated [TS]

  Michael piller in a unique and [TS]

  generators had showrunner that deserves [TS]

  radically more credit than he's given [TS]

  for doing new and interesting and [TS]

  different things with Star Trek than [TS]

  people we would like to say well chapter [TS]

  in verse this is the way this is [TS]

  supposed to go and so on and so forth a [TS]

  brilliant mind a brilliant person from [TS]

  from the opinions of everybody who [TS]

  worked with him and created some really [TS]

  amazing star trek under his tenure i [TS]

  would say okay my overrated actually [TS]

  does play into it which is the notion [TS]

  that every series has to feature a [TS]

  starship called enterprise i think that [TS]

  that kind of slavish devotion kind of [TS]

  dovetailing with with the gene [TS]

  roddenberry pick that is is something [TS]

  that i would argue might be part of what [TS]

  is keeping star trek off of television [TS]

  right now and it it is it is one of the [TS]

  central tenets that that super super [TS]

  slave Ashley quote-unquote traditional [TS]

  fans like to cling to whenever something [TS]

  new different challenging or that better [TS]

  reflects our modern world is introduced [TS]

  and if anything it actually goes right [TS]

  back to things that Roddenberry said but [TS]

  that I think other people came up with [TS]

  in Roddenberry's swiped because that's [TS]

  where he got a lot of his best ideas [TS]

  which is that Star Trek shooting some [TS]

  way reflect the times in which it is [TS]

  placed and some of the very changes you [TS]

  know the fact that there is this big war [TS]

  thing going on deep space 9 various [TS]

  social issues that would be introduced [TS]

  things that Roddenberry himself would [TS]

  fight against during the short amount of [TS]

  time he was actually on next-generation [TS]

  mostly having to do with women's roles [TS]

  on on the ship those the there's this [TS]

  amazing paradox that again talking back [TS]

  to run Barry thing that comes from this [TS]

  is what Star Trek is period end of story [TS]

  after saying oh it should be this [TS]

  broadly accessible thing that somehow [TS]

  attaches itself to the times in which we [TS]

  live and the changing world in which we [TS]

  live but then it suddenly becomes an old [TS]

  man who gets more conservative as he [TS]

  gets older and as well buttered also be [TS]

  like this all right I think that's a I [TS]

  think that's a good one Briana you want [TS]

  to come back with underrated since over [TS]

  here doing both [TS]

  alright i'm just going to give you [TS]

  voyager is going on and I have spoken my [TS]

  piece of the aperture on many occasions [TS]

  but i would like to do very briefly have [TS]

  a wider philosophical arguments about [TS]

  starter I'm water eastern lightning [TS]

  philosophical lightning too haha that's [TS]

  our new podcast series a lot of a lot of [TS]

  Star Trek fans on you know they're [TS]

  typically a little bit older and they [TS]

  typically really love tos and they [TS]

  really love tangi but there's a there's [TS]

  a theme of Star Trek well of that kind [TS]

  of Star Trek fan being eternally unhappy [TS]

  with new star trek as it comes out [TS]

  remember when Deep Space nine came out [TS]

  and people are screaming Aaron Voyager [TS]

  came out and people screaming remember [TS]

  when enterprise came out and people were [TS]

  screaming scream to TNG to I have my [TS]

  website back but now looking at the [TS]

  culture easy see these especially [TS]

  Voyager and enterprise [TS]

  it's just held in hate and I think that [TS]

  I you know it's like you complain when [TS]

  these shows are on the air and now we [TS]

  haven't had new star trek on television [TS]

  for a really long time now i'm even [TS]

  think you see this with the movies to a [TS]

  certain extent like generations was [TS]

  pilloried insurrection was pillory he [TS]

  had nemesis is pilloried and I think if [TS]

  you're mature Star Trek fan i think all [TS]

  star trek is good and fun even the [TS]

  animated series like even season 3 of [TS]

  TLS like there's good to be had there [TS]

  it's all enjoyable and I just think that [TS]

  like if we really love this [TS]

  maybe it doesn't mean like just tearing [TS]

  apart for fun maybe it means like maybe [TS]

  looking at with a little bit more of a [TS]

  mature credit card [TS]

  yeah it's a good night appeal to a lot [TS]

  of people who i mean like i said i think [TS]

  that's what this is a human tendency to [TS]

  do this and young people freaked out [TS]

  about recasting Kirk Spock and McCoy for [TS]

  the JJ Abrams movies too and I've you [TS]

  know I think they did a good job but it [TS]

  was not it we always change it's [TS]

  different and I'm hoping I'm i really [TS]

  want them to do a Moises Alou to this [TS]

  I'm really want them to do a new Star [TS]

  Trek TV series and you know what people [TS]

  will freak the hell out about that too [TS]

  yeah yeah you know they will imagine a [TS]

  casting and writing a star trek series [TS]

  in 2015 I mean have been that long since [TS]

  enterprises been off the air but on [TS]

  another level I feel like enterprise was [TS]

  the last gasp of it of an epic vet [TS]

  started in 1987 of Star Trek and that [TS]

  what we get now is gonna be completely [TS]

  as different as a TV was for between now [TS]

  in 1987 so I can't wait to see that [TS]

  because and people freak out people will [TS]

  rage that that that the jonathan frakes [TS]

  that roxann dawson that LeVar Burton art [TS]

  directing every episode that it's not [TS]

  the sand so that the tone of the acting [TS]

  is not this and so and it's been off the [TS]

  air for so long that i would i would [TS]

  love for it to not be not trying to be [TS]

  anything but but the the most important [TS]

  parts of the court conceit without [TS]

  trying to work in as much of the window [TS]

  dressing as humanly possible because for [TS]

  better or worse that's what we've gotten [TS]

  from these restart movies produced by JJ [TS]

  Abrams and you know we'll get the three [TS]

  installment and then conceivably at that [TS]

  point CBS and paramount decide that [TS]

  they'll do another series so okay we've [TS]

  already traveled this road of let's [TS]

  reboot the continuity maybe let's either [TS]

  throw the continuity out or go into the [TS]

  future of Voyager and just keep moving [TS]

  beyond I i want to tell a little a [TS]

  little story here which is this year [TS]

  when i went to the Doctor Who convention [TS]

  in LA [TS]

  they asked at the opening session hosted [TS]

  hosted by among other people Eric and [TS]

  science husband wearing and comfortable [TS]

  t-shirt on stage which was really [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  he asked them to raise their hands if [TS]

  they were if they had never been to this [TS]

  convention before and half the audience [TS]

  raise their hands [TS]

  Doctor Who fandom because the show came [TS]

  back in 2005 with a complete rethink of [TS]

  what it meant to have that show on the [TS]

  air is full and that convention was full [TS]

  of young and and i would say more mostly [TS]

  even maybe women fans lots of girls and [TS]

  women you know 13 225 who are super into [TS]

  that show it dramatic and and i'll tell [TS]

  you i'm i'm pretty sure in 2005 that [TS]

  convention was completely people in [TS]

  there you know mid thirties and up and [TS]

  pro their Giants car and probably mostly [TS]

  men and I let me tell you some people [TS]

  have a problem with that because they [TS]

  are the diehards in there the old school [TS]

  and they don't like the Phantom is [TS]

  changing i want Star Trek to live and [TS]

  right now as with many things it's [TS]

  getting fans of Star Trek or getting a [TS]

  year older every year because there are [TS]

  no new fans being created because maybe [TS]

  there are some with JJ Abrams movies [TS]

  that's something but I think you need a [TS]

  TV show and you need a TV show that [TS]

  modern audiences are going to really [TS]

  like I want my kids i would love my son [TS]

  to have a star trek show like I had next [TS]

  generation when I was in high school and [TS]

  college I would love for that to happen [TS]

  because that made such an impact on me [TS]

  and right now that generation is just [TS]

  not Star Trek is not on the radar other [TS]

  than yeah that was a good movie that we [TS]

  saw a couple summers ago so yeah I'm [TS]

  with you I you know I would much rather [TS]

  star trek change and grow and stay [TS]

  or return to being alive and vibrant and [TS]

  then just kind of fade away I just think [TS]

  his fans we need to be open-minded and [TS]

  accepted star trek surviving it's going [TS]

  to mean star trek changing yeah and you [TS]

  know it's gonna have to appeal to a [TS]

  different audience because it that you [TS]

  need enough you know to take all kinds [TS]

  to write i think is great the Doctor Who [TS]

  fandom actually i think is really good [TS]

  in this way that there are a lot of [TS]

  people are like hey you like the old [TS]

  series you like the new series you like [TS]

  both series it's all good you know and [TS]

  and I i think they've gotten to that [TS]

  point if the most part and that's that's [TS]

  healthy and I hope for Star Trek that I [TS]

  can like a one-day see a gathering of [TS]

  Star Trek fans and not have them all be [TS]

  50 year old men who are like oh and i'm [TS]

  one of those mid-forties man who's like [TS]

  the original Captain Kirk is great yeah [TS]

  but that can't be the whole story that [TS]

  can't be the whole story or the whole [TS]

  thing is is dead [TS]

  lightning philosophy we're having a [TS]

  version of this conversation in so many [TS]

  different franchises we're okay there's [TS]

  going to be a new Green Lantern these [TS]

  Justice League movies [TS]

  well I goes better be held Jordan well [TS]

  Jordan was in that movie that didn't do [TS]

  any good [TS]

  and a bunch of people who were kids when [TS]

  the Justice League animated series came [TS]

  out or adults now and they all know [TS]

  Green Lantern as jon stewart a black guy [TS]

  not a white dude with with with with the [TS]

  with white around the windows peaks and [TS]

  and so like it this is something that [TS]

  we're seeing as these franchises [TS]

  themselves are taking on the additional [TS]

  generations that previously Star Trek [TS]

  was pretty unique in it was the one that [TS]

  had a bunch of different series and and [TS]

  they're there have been a number of [TS]

  generations coming through it and I i [TS]

  see a version of the same argument with [TS]

  different character names and different [TS]

  franchises attach them everywhere now [TS]

  more than ever [TS]

  one that the thing I was going to bring [TS]

  up we kind of anticipated where I was [TS]

  thinking with Doctor Who because we're [TS]

  getting to the point where there's a [TS]

  almost the same amount of time between [TS]

  the last new star trek and any potential [TS]

  new star trek series as the end of [TS]

  classic who in the beginning of new who [TS]

  and whatever we get is going to be as [TS]

  different from enterprise and Voyager [TS]

  all that as new doctor who is from [TS]

  classic who it's going to be a different [TS]

  pacing it's going to be a different [TS]

  style and that's fine and you know what [TS]

  that's gotten so popular that they don't [TS]

  delay it for we [TS]

  some months anymore it's not even just [TS]

  day-and-date the 50th anniversary show [TS]

  they had to show it simultaneously [TS]

  around the world so that there weren't [TS]

  spoilers [TS]

  that's how popular it is and you know we [TS]

  could do that with Star Trek well Jason [TS]

  and I was 16 years between the first [TS]

  doctor who series going off in the am [TS]

  and the new series starting it's been 10 [TS]

  years now since enterprise went off here [TS]

  so yeah I'll say did we just in invent [TS]

  reverse tachyon lightning [TS]

  yeah that was the worst lightning ever [TS]

  tony do you have an overrated thing what [TS]

  we're still doing that I thought were on [TS]

  philosophy lightning lost it on back to [TS]

  that was just a berry big parenthetical [TS]

  their footnote I you know like I don't [TS]

  know if they're overrated as a episode [TS]

  concept or as a technology that they [TS]

  allowed to continue to exist but I I [TS]

  don't know how any captain allows [TS]

  holodecks to be insulted [TS]

  like I feel like you know one mishap you [TS]

  know 11 Moriarty tries to take over the [TS]

  enterprise and it's like walking down [TS]

  you know pad lock that door and no one [TS]

  comes in here we use it for storing [TS]

  waste chemicals or something but there's [TS]

  a reason we didn't have these before [TS]

  yeah that's especially when it starts [TS]

  getting worse when it's like oh no the [TS]

  transporter buffer has been overrun and [TS]

  somehow the transporter signal is the [TS]

  holodeck it's like yeah you know I have [TS]

  that problem of time sometimes like my [TS]

  microwave back start acting weird and [TS]

  like my toast comes out of my sink [TS]

  totally happens so often yeah so I just [TS]

  I feel like how do they keep letting [TS]

  stuff like that exist in the future it [TS]

  feels like you know industry safeguards [TS]

  are not where I thought they'd be my [TS]

  that century I told the holodeck to [TS]

  create a villain who capable of [TS]

  destroying the ship and it said okay [TS]

  yeah also I like that there's in the [TS]

  Deep Space nine conceptualisation they [TS]

  really wanted to play up the like the [TS]

  dirty holodecks that cork has and then [TS]

  they're like the people running the [TS]

  networker likes please stop doing that [TS]

  because that's what properties you know [TS]

  weird it's like you know let's talk more [TS]

  about that yeah you loved baseball that [TS]

  that episode represents like eighty [TS]

  percent of what I no i just answered the [TS]

  bullet volkens are very good at baseball [TS]

  is what I'm saying that's that is twenty [TS]

  percent of what I know [TS]

  Americans and and then buk buk I from [TS]

  the London Kings he's that's not a real [TS]

  baseball team right [TS]

  no it's okay really spectacular yet you [TS]

  have it you have an underrated thing [TS]

  Tony I I don't [TS]

  oh yeah everything about stark it's [TS]

  great for properly read it's not really [TS]

  what's your what's your overrated thing [TS]

  on the Borg are overrated [TS]

  I think Tony talking about how much you [TS]

  like the board meant men that they may [TS]

  be dangerous got angry Scott it's got [TS]

  excited you with you and unraveling and [TS]

  this is what I get [TS]

  yeah that's right just like a Romulan [TS]

  put on the shoulder pads or just keep up [TS]

  there like everywhere you turn you you [TS]

  you pull up a rug and there's a board [TS]

  hiding underneath it you know it's and I [TS]

  also think board ships are stupid [TS]

  well I think the board cube tray I think [TS]

  everything after that was like guys [TS]

  why did you have to keep doing that so [TS]

  but we gotta sell more models to get [TS]

  space alright so Scott thinks about it [TS]

  because they're dumber just because [TS]

  they're over kind of overexposed you [TS]

  said there's turn around there's always [TS]

  another board is today the a little bit [TS]

  of board goes a long way [TS]

  alright just got you haven't an [TS]

  underrated Star Trek thing i do I i [TS]

  think that the the the design of [TS]

  enterprise the series is beautiful [TS]

  they had a tough job of kind of creating [TS]

  something modern that would look almost [TS]

  appropriate before the original series i [TS]

  think they did a great job with the set [TS]

  and and it just looks great [TS]

  it's an awful series but it looks great [TS]

  didn't you listen to Brianna come on [TS]

  Scott you gotta yeah not agree with [TS]

  Briana but you found it you found a [TS]

  positive thing to say about the design [TS]

  of enterprise the series that's true i [TS]

  like all the Star Trek but I also you [TS]

  know point out that there are some [TS]

  things that are not going to get started [TS]

  there's some amazing set design stuff [TS]

  that doesn't get its proper yeah it is [TS]

  its proper kudos i think is the room I [TS]

  see what you did there is it [TS]

  ah ok here mine amor this is going to [TS]

  really anger Scott haha alright so go [TS]

  ahead [TS]

  I was listening to random track in there [TS]

  and they didn't know they did an episode [TS]

  about me about well it's not in which we [TS]

  had host Scott is guest day unknown [TS]

  person I don't have nothing just one of [TS]

  those people are I think it's the worst [TS]

  host Matt Wilson on his guests mat gamel [TS]

  talked about all good things the final [TS]

  episode of the next generation and so is [TS]

  one of the best if not the best [TS]

  next-generation episodes and i would say [TS]

  it's not in the top 20 [TS]

  it's fine it is completely overrated all [TS]

  good things is ok it's got Q as a plot [TS]

  device it's got some fun stuff in the [TS]

  future it's got some really unfortunate [TS]

  flashbacks to the past but what can you [TS]

  do a counterpoint wasn't very good [TS]

  I it has a great last seen it but I was [TS]

  completely blown away by scott and that [TS]

  talking about how it was in the pantheon [TS]

  of next generation episode because it [TS]

  yeah it wouldn't rate in my top 20 next [TS]

  generation episode maybe I'm being a [TS]

  little overzealous there maybe not in [TS]

  the top 15 had adjacent Snell bird is [TS]

  the worst burn maybe you really hate Q a [TS]

  lot you saying Scott's overrated I'm not [TS]

  following Scott is overrated random [TS]

  track is overrated as a podcast that [TS]

  episode I love random trek but I i [TS]

  thought this cotton and network [TS]

  misguided in Jason I'm gonna let you [TS]

  finish but you hate Q so much I will [TS]

  skin an entire massively well-structured [TS]

  series finale completely into the toilet [TS]

  for you man is annoying well-struck [TS]

  don't know as I said when he might as [TS]

  well be in the garbage yeah that's right [TS]

  top top 17 of all star trek episode it's [TS]

  been made by the next generation but not [TS]

  the top [TS]

  what a loser fraction to be in yeah I [TS]

  might put it in the second seventh on [TS]

  the top seven [TS]

  yeah well that's what that's what I mean [TS]

  yeah if I made a list of my favorite [TS]

  next generation episode would be in like [TS]

  number 15 number 20 some probably in [TS]

  there but it would not crack the top 10 [TS]

  for sure i think it was a sweet ending [TS]

  and it was a good episode but when they [TS]

  when they said they released it on [TS]

  blu-ray on its own and it was like okay [TS]

  whatever best of both worlds i get it [TS]

  i'll good things was good [TS]

  fine it had lovely moments and even [TS]

  though it is Q I don't mind that it had [TS]

  q I'm I know that too [TS]

  send it off right he was in the pilot [TS]

  yeah yeah it made sense but but the [TS]

  whole thing the whole story is this [TS]

  whole you know time is is you know the [TS]

  thing is expanding and contracting and [TS]

  running out of time and you gotta get to [TS]

  the thing before it vanishes and then up [TS]

  conveniently it came back enough long [TS]

  enough for them to solve it [TS]

  I you know it's it doesn't and it [TS]

  ignores its own ticking clock by the end [TS]

  I don't hate I don't hate it you I I [TS]

  just wouldn't rank it as high as a lot [TS]

  of other next generation episode III [TS]

  just I can't believe that I can't [TS]

  believe it just heard this [TS]

  hey I mean Jason Snelling Scott Jason [TS]

  smell told you your misguided that's [TS]

  like his opinion to go after yourself [TS]

  can you even believe we heard that on [TS]

  the shell Scott was being polite to Matt [TS]

  Scott could recant now and say well Matt [TS]

  really loved it i think it's mine but [TS]

  Matt's the one who really loved it yeah [TS]

  there's no audio record we could consult [TS]

  so that's right it's really subjective [TS]

  which way which jason if you if you [TS]

  believe i'm going to recant you may not [TS]

  have been talking to be for several [TS]

  years now i believe you are incorrect [TS]

  but that's alright as I say out random [TS]

  track I don't judge other people's [TS]

  fandom I question it like you're doing [TS]

  to me but I don't think so we can have a [TS]

  difference of opinion about how good the [TS]

  final episode of the next generation was [TS]

  right I'm gonna I'm gonna end this on a [TS]

  more positive note with my underrated [TS]

  thing I i'm going to say and I know this [TS]

  is crazy because we could like Scott see [TS]

  now i'm gonna side with said that [TS]

  nothing is no I don't want this piece no [TS]

  enhanced learning spaces just fortuitous [TS]

  i'm also going to pick something from [TS]

  enterprise that I think is underrated I [TS]

  thought about saying the last season of [TS]

  enterprises underrated because I did it [TS]

  is although fans are going to talk it up [TS]

  now because it was it with Manny Coto [TS]

  did some stuff that I'm gonna say dr. [TS]

  phlox I like dr. phlox I think he's fun [TS]

  hehe strange character he doesn't always [TS]

  have a lot to do there that episode [TS]

  where he's all alone on the ship because [TS]

  everybody's asleep [TS]

  it's kind of strange but he's a peculiar [TS]

  alien who's up for a race that we [TS]

  haven't really seen before the DeNoble [TS]

  ins he kind of observes our humanity are [TS]

  closer to modern-day humanity and [TS]

  enterprise [TS]

  I think that's a fun character I think [TS]

  John Billingsley does a good job [TS]

  performing that character [TS]

  I think he's underrated in it in a show [TS]

  that does not have a lot of characters [TS]

  that I particularly like I really like [TS]

  dr. phlox and I think that you can't [TS]

  just sweep them under the rug with the [TS]

  rest of the Enterprise crew i can say is [TS]

  the best character out enterprise [TS]

  without Wi-Fi Scott whoo [TS]

  don't touch me ha ha what one thing i [TS]

  was looking forward to with him in [TS]

  enterprise was an enemy they didn't [TS]

  really accentuate this at all this is [TS]

  totally me but I wanted to find out why [TS]

  having an argument in enterprise there [TS]

  wasn't a denominating any of the future [TS]

  quote-unquote future started I'll dot [TS]

  happenings you know is there some kind [TS]

  of mystery they were building together [TS]

  just very quiet race that maybe you know [TS]

  maybe there was nothing they just don't [TS]

  do anything much you know yeah but but [TS]

  you know there was something there that [TS]

  was interesting and again it was like no [TS]

  and Spock he really brought something to [TS]

  that character he was a lot of fun [TS]

  yeah well maybe maybe the Romulans [TS]

  killed all of the Andes and that's what [TS]

  made them more interesting maybe they [TS]

  killed him with their rationale depends [TS]

  maybe they got that disease that the [TS]

  Klingons had yeah yeah I would you did [TS]

  something to them [TS]

  headcanon you might know when I asked my [TS]

  son about the best artwork alien he said [TS]

  he thought it was worth because he [TS]

  enjoys that that deep space 9 episode [TS]

  where they go to the trouble with [TS]

  tribbles and he says we do not speak of [TS]

  it i just make your son was just like a [TS]

  sash enthusiast [TS]

  yeah well it could be either you like [TS]

  the big bumpy head best wig by the way [TS]

  we didn't get to the best wig tonight [TS]

  best best way me and rach all right [TS]

  we're done for now we're done for now I [TS]

  i'm going to call this this debate club [TS]

  to a close we learned a lot since we [TS]

  know and we Scott we we did with [TS]

  everybody but Scott one Scott I didn't [TS]

  it's got the loser how comfortable is [TS]

  really cheap like a little shift right [TS]

  here this will go down [TS]

  this will get someone who runs a podcast [TS]

  network i am a little bit unsettled hear [TS]

  someone running a podcast network cancel [TS]

  one of his shows while recording another [TS]

  1i sorry just renewed random track it's [TS]

  very efficient it's cruel but there's a [TS]

  regime change but it's a great concept [TS]

  for a podcast now the host we really [TS]

  broke an Andorian going to influence by [TS]

  Road emails from mothers are winners [TS]

  actually are winners are the Borg which [TS]

  got two votes the the i guess the bridge [TS]

  organs are losers they got a couple of [TS]

  agree to negative votes the and yeah so [TS]

  there you go [TS]

  but the end and John Harriman and and [TS]

  yes Alan rock is letting Ferris Bueller [TS]

  drive the enterprise now is a big [TS]

  mistake big mistake [TS]

  alright i'd like to thank my my star [TS]

  trek debaters this was a lot of fun we [TS]

  need to keep doing this because uh oh [TS]

  I'm gonna have to come up with [TS]

  increasingly weird things here to defend [TS]

  not that David Laura thank you very much [TS]

  for being here thank you peace and long [TS]

  life is to Leon thank you very much [TS]

  thank you by the time this goes up i [TS]

  think episodes of electric shadow with [TS]

  terry farrell and wonder Nimoy and will [TS]

  be up so i'll give you links I Scott [TS]

  melty I appreciate you and you're like [TS]

  of some things [TS]

  oh oh man this is angry this is justin [TS]

  is now I can get on board with the way I [TS]

  don't wish this is mirrors yeah jason [TS]

  said you have a view of a goatee right [TS]

  now I like it's possible you have a [TS]

  decorative sash with a dagger info [TS]

  oh well who doesn't come on Scott thank [TS]

  you very much for your choices they were [TS]

  all very interesting i know you hated [TS]

  mine Jason Jason Jason you'll live to [TS]

  regret this [TS]

  absolutely [TS]

  please listen to random track except for [TS]

  that episode about all good things and [TS]

  now its paw it's a very good just not [TS]

  one of my favorites [TS]

  Tony sindelar thank you goodnight yards [TS]

  goodnight and Brianna was a pleasure to [TS]

  have you back on and thank you for doing [TS]

  such excellent defending of various and [TS]

  debating of various things I appreciate [TS]

  you being here [TS]

  you're quite welcome sure you appreciate [TS]

  her I do Scott was also here also [TS]

  present I would never want to talk about [TS]

  Star Trek uncomfortable without Scott [TS]

  that would be just a no-go [TS]

  it would not be acceptable that's well [TS]

  you may be running into some problems [TS]

  no no no no alright and for everybody [TS]

  out there thanks for listening [TS]

  this is jason still signing off for the [TS]

  uncomfortable live long and prosper and [TS]

  you know all that other stuff [TS]

  Jason a possible uh scenario for a [TS]

  future debate club [TS]

  oh yes um I was at a party and I was [TS]

  talking to somebody who was not raised [TS]

  in this country and has never seen an [TS]

  episode of Star Trek and they wanted to [TS]

  know if they were gonna watch one [TS]

  episode of Star Trek what episode to [TS]

  watch and there was a spirited debate [TS]

  about yeah that's what parties are [TS]

  likely i go to so yeah you know where [TS]

  you got the soda would you show me i [TS]

  will put that down on the list the [TS]

  Sleeping Dogs the enterprise episode [TS]

  which was the first episode that less [TS]

  frequent has seen I think that is not a [TS]

  good one [TS]

  this will really go where they found the [TS]

  Klingon ship and yeah sky usually pretty [TS]

  spot-on but that one not so great so [TS]

  that's where Lex said is to palo robot [TS]

  and every day's a random track when you [TS]

  have people who don't know Star Trek on [TS]

  it those are great on syracuse asking [TS]

  which one of these guys are characters [TS]

  was a good episode like this everybody [TS]

  if you've reached this far and you don't [TS]

  know already we mentioned in the episode [TS]

  Scott multi hosts a weekly podcast on [TS]

  the incomparable network called random [TS]

  track every week Scott any non-random [TS]

  guest watching random episode from all [TS]

  of the live action star trek series so [TS]

  it could be original series next [TS]

  generation deep space nine Voyager [TS]

  enterprise it's random and a lot of fun [TS]

  individual episode breakdown parachuting [TS]

  in to a random episode and seeing with [TS]

  with the eyes of a new guest every week [TS]

  what there is to see it's a lot of fun [TS]

  and I encourage you to check it out you [TS]

  can go to the incomparable calm / random [TS]

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