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124: ‘Schiller Did Not Have to Put Up With This Bullshit’, With Guest Guy English

 

  tough act to follow a little bit like to thank you also warming up the crowd also [TS]

  very different vibe it's the live show atmosphere is so great and when it [TS]

  worked and it i think it worked pretty well last week it's pretty good feeling [TS]

  I can't even imagine doing that every week that it's different it's it's good [TS]

  but I mean I know you get nervous before a big interview you know I'm not going [TS]

  to be that hard to believe that was pretty good he's good yeah you know he [TS]

  was way more candid and I was gonna do I don't think he would have done it [TS]

  otherwise you know I mean like and I feel like that is that I think that's [TS]

  the thing that people were most surprised by the other thing that I [TS]

  think people were surprised by was how clear it was that he reads our stuff you [TS]

  know like his familiarity with Marcos complaints and couple of other things [TS]

  too but it couple people that do the most common comment I got afterwards [TS]

  were wow that's a sign of Phil Schiller I've never seen before he was very you [TS]

  know he just was casual and combined with me but he obviously you know pays [TS]

  attention to us [TS]

  yea well known views these people but it was nice to get a shot at it you know [TS]

  very good was a fun time at the show to yeah it's going good job and I tell you [TS]

  in person but in truth when listening to this did not screw up your near and yeah [TS]

  a little bit without a major that was the dance you know is how do I ask you [TS]

  no questions that everybody in the room kind of want me to ask and there's other [TS]

  ones that I miss to i mean we could and I had to take I had to decide what not [TS]

  to ask is you know an hour is [TS]

  is a it was a little bit longer than I think that I told them that he be on [TS]

  stage i'd said like maybe like 45 50 minutes I think he was on stage for 56 [TS]

  minutes or something like that which was not a complaint he thought it went well [TS]

  was all smiles all around backstage but the other thing too as I feel like just [TS]

  the atmosphere of the live room you can't do it like we do on these Skype [TS]

  shows he can cover more than sixty minute jeanne was scared to go out into [TS]

  the we'd take a break [TS]

  get here is just not make sense but now it's very good to write like we could [TS]

  have gone in like one that one thing I think people have sent like oh I wish [TS]

  you know there was a great interview but I wish you would've you know talked [TS]

  about blank and the one that very common is the App Store your night I one of the [TS]

  reasons I didn't is there is nothing really knew about it and I kind of [TS]

  wanted to focus a little bit more on you know current event and the other thing [TS]

  too as I feel like once you open a can of worms it's a route you know that's [TS]

  hard to do in just a couple minutes it's very complicated thing in the App Store [TS]

  distribution models adapting existing business models to work on the App Store [TS]

  provisioning code signing nightmare is the archives and the big 12 especially [TS]

  and I don't know I actually don't know I suspect that my audience in the audience [TS]

  that was in there you know in the room for the live show is skewed a little bit [TS]

  more towards Mac developers than the overall Apple developer community in [TS]

  general but it certainly of interest to me is the whole sandboxing the situation [TS]

  with the middle and a kind of we can kind of get into that was you talk about [TS]

  some of the stuff today I kind of wonder whether the calling this rootless thing [TS]

  yeah system integrity right I kind of hope that that might be a way of backing [TS]

  away from sandboxing can be could be better but I do think that I mean you [TS]

  only had an hour or less on paper I would even any extra would have been a [TS]

  can of worms and frankly he just couldn't answer anything that's part of [TS]

  it they can I mean I know he's the boss absolutes but [TS]

  I mean he's not going to make promises on stage do you like that you know as [TS]

  forthcoming as he was with other stuff he didn't say anything that was counter [TS]

  to you know he's very very good it's just it intended to counter to the [TS]

  message one thing two people asked over the weekend so you know I love it I do [TS]

  love WWDC in its it is weird and different like I went to the the beer [TS]

  bash go to the beer bashes year you probably didn't but I went and our goal [TS]

  is there and I always go one of the random always on the fence as to whether [TS]

  to go amy was with me out there all week as you know and I would feel a little [TS]

  bad going to the beer bash because actually I did you end up living in New [TS]

  York left early I lived with you now that I think about it but I go because [TS]

  it used to be in years past that was the place where I would run into some people [TS]

  from Apple that I know who I hadn't seen throughout the week if you want to bump [TS]

  into somebody from Apple and whether you we end up talking about anything [TS]

  interesting or not even if it's just shooting the shed it's a good place to [TS]

  run into them and it's funny that's what I thought about that's why when and it [TS]

  turned out that it was really sort of the opposite of his people coming up to [TS]

  me wanted to say hi and thank me and that's how you make sure that we know [TS]

  now really and I think the reason that it really it was it was it was so like [TS]

  one person after the other as I was walking around with a rather distinctive [TS]

  figure [TS]

  it'll be less less of one definitely looks great he's lost some weight and he [TS]

  looks bad looks younger than i mean you always look beautiful how just looks [TS]

  like and somehow I i swear to god it's like he talked about his influential [TS]

  they only had three beers available at the beer bash and one of them was [TS]

  Heineken [TS]

  like today as I did they ask you or did they just do it in advance so into his [TS]

  beard bed right party and I ordered a Stella Maris Stella I don't want to just [TS]

  get your words is going well I didn't know which way either I'm drinking his [TS]

  beer and he's gonna be pissed or I'm not drinkin how to get it you have all the [TS]

  bones if you know any way we ought to get to it because we have a lot to cover [TS]

  and the whole idea basic idea that I have for this episode is to cover more [TS]

  or less loosely at the state of the union stuff platforms where they call [TS]

  that session platform platform stated that from state of the union [TS]

  yeah these to pick it up into like to eat right which is the basic structure [TS]

  of Monday at WWDC sort of remained unchanged since forever which is in the [TS]

  morning there's the main Kino and that's the one that the press gets led into and [TS]

  that's the one people line up all night for that's the one that anything that's [TS]

  written you know on real TV or newspapers the next day all the news [TS]

  from there is what what comes out of it then they clear the room [TS]

  people go and have lunch and I think around 2:30 is when it starts it's a bit [TS]

  later you have a good two hours for lunch everybody but then at that point [TS]

  it's real developer badges only you get to come in and then they have it's more [TS]

  or less a second keynote but it's truly for developers I mean like I was saying [TS]

  you know very good job and I believe he constrained all of his own answers to [TS]

  what was actually in the keynote and invested is definite been getting a [TS]

  little bit loosey-goosey that the NDA stuff so I'm not really I don't even [TS]

  think that that's I don't think there is stuff I don't think there is an Indian [TS]

  because my Apple TV there's a double-double Dec happen you can just I [TS]

  don't think I put my ADC so yeah I mean what you need to and I wasn't sure if [TS]

  the login it go [TS]

  hasn't happened I do like it wasn't sure maybe was cleared for ya doin some stuff [TS]

  that combines qualities but it's not the same Apple idea usually sign in for ADC [TS]

  so I'm pretty sure that that stuff is just not only have an Indiana more I [TS]

  think they you know what let's gamble my career but I'm pretty sure that the [TS]

  stuff I just don't think that they're crazy about stuff like that anymore I [TS]

  don't know I shouldn't because I mean de [TS]

  they say is what you don't want to do is say what people say in private or in the [TS]

  labs and write this book in his work around you know we can talk about the [TS]

  future they did get a little bit on the Nexus a lot of ways WWDC especially [TS]

  because they sell out every year I want color marketing or advertising thing but [TS]

  it's it's one of the very few times it's not the only time you actually get to [TS]

  speak to developers and in a way limiting that is counterproductive [TS]

  because it's not my Google doesn't know what the hell was said in every a [TS]

  double-double disease yeah I think it's actually I think it's sort of this shift [TS]

  towards a more open Apple PR department and I'm not gonna put it all on Katie [TS]

  cotton but it you know it ties in with her leaving I mean it started before you [TS]

  know your to lighten up on a [TS]

  and a little bit she was still there but it's definitely the shift that they're [TS]

  making and I think it was always about PR optics it was that they don't want [TS]

  people saying anything in public about the beta version of OS they've shown [TS]

  until they've released the OS but now you know they've even you know there was [TS]

  there was obviously like an embargo on Monday morning where they ceded a bunch [TS]

  of people from the press with you know the current developer beta OS 10 I'll [TS]

  copy time and let them write about it i mean it's you know I think they [TS]

  emphasize the fact I know because they gave me his copy too I didn't write [TS]

  anything I did no ties I told absolutely zero percent chance that I'm gonna be [TS]

  ready to write and publish anything by Monday but there are well taken anyway [TS]

  but I think they wanted you know they wanted the people to know that just [TS]

  emphasize that this is a preview it debated this you know you're reviewing [TS]

  the ideas of what we're doing not the current state that their end and I just [TS]

  think in the past they just wanted the opposite they did not want anybody [TS]

  writing about them but i think is slowly going into my comfort zone under they [TS]

  did not have in back in the late nineteen like they would really on their [TS]

  heels and so you know you can understand it backs the world being defensive [TS]

  caning [TS]

  you know the difference yeah and I think you know I think Steve Jobs to was also [TS]

  a lot less appealing to have people writing about stuff before it came out [TS]

  and you know and in the whole idea that stuff can change [TS]

  you know he won in I just feel like if something changes something that they [TS]

  announced last week end up not shipping in the fall [TS]

  you know people are gonna call it out but I don't think that he's gonna lie I [TS]

  think he was more crazy about certified that Apple is well I mean that's made [TS]

  clear in at becoming Steve Jobs which pleased to welcome both both worth [TS]

  reading but if you're going to read one read it first [TS]

  yes I mean he's black and is the author of two whose experiences it but they did [TS]

  I hear there's there is part of that story where he basically just Steve Jobs [TS]

  call them up and just saying stuff about Apple and but their friends like their [TS]

  kids hanger do so under [TS]

  so yes and even if you were I don't think he'd be so yes times are changing [TS]

  is the hugest of companies at this point so you know you never want to be [TS]

  punching down tonight [TS]

  think think there's more open attitude but anyway I who better to have on and I [TS]

  talked about some of this developer level news and try to put it in [TS]

  layman's terms of what exactly is done and there's a lot like you you put [TS]

  together pretty nice outline which is a lot more preparation than I usually do [TS]

  for the show and just looking at it it's like man well I did have a tough act to [TS]

  follow [TS]

  there really is though the other take away I had from and watching the state [TS]

  of the union is that I i feel like Apple is really starting to get better at [TS]

  being a big company and it's clearly a lot of this stuff has been delegated and [TS]

  it's a lot less is going through one person even like someone like craig [TS]

  Venter et who obviously is in charge of the engineering teams in charge of both [TS]

  OS 10 and iOS clearly a man has a lot of responsibilities but there's a lot of [TS]

  stuff that being delegated I think clearly because it's more stuff is being [TS]

  done [TS]

  year over year than before seems atlee certainly appears that way from the on [TS]

  stage presence and that could have been conscious decision to kind of bring [TS]

  Morgan stage I mean you know this morning I remember but it seems to me [TS]

  that there was like a cast of five people that men should like 10 years [TS]

  between 2001 till at least 8 2012 at least maybe five people on stage but the [TS]

  couple of the regular keynote or the stadium yet at the state of the union [TS]

  was much better ways but this year this enterprise both the keynote and the [TS]

  State of Union and lot of the sessions as well we mentioned I mentioned it was [TS]

  with children last week where you know they've broken this street where there [TS]

  weren't any women in the regular keen on their been women in the state of the [TS]

  union I believe for a while and has a lot of people have dried up [TS]

  for years and years I i'm tracked as long as I've been going to the BBC this [TS]

  isn't even a new thing in the regular sessions there have always been plenty [TS]

  of them that were presented by women either as the primary prisoner or as one [TS]

  of the secondary presenters who comes up just a demo a certain thing simply [TS]

  because it they've always as long as I've known anybody at the company [TS]

  they've always been a ton of talented women in you know in the engineering [TS]

  ranks and that who presented W W C if you're you know if there's a new API for [TS]

  what complications whoever worked on the watch complications part of the API does [TS]

  the presenting [TS]

  did you know I'd like to hear barbara Bush early on and guilty and rested well [TS]

  you said fine meanie said well you know I'd totally but there's a lot of women [TS]

  yeah and and the thing is you rightly pretty good job you do it Apple [TS]

  at that level is to be able to present and they will spend the time of the [TS]

  interview if you need it but you know when is your staff and you did you [TS]

  responsible for you expected to get it and talk about it either internally [TS]

  which cannot be sharing and the one thing I know that they're not going to [TS]

  do it and shoulders Angeles we emphasize its its people its still people who are [TS]

  responsible for this so part of you know the real thing isn't hey we need to pick [TS]

  more women to be in the morning keynote it we need to make sure that the [TS]

  talented women in the company are getting promoted when they should be to [TS]

  be respect to have these areas of responsibility [TS]

  and combined with that I think it's what you mentioned before is that they've [TS]

  just in general [TS]

  broaden the number of people regardless of whether their men and women you know [TS]

  whatever skin color they have just that there's more than just the top three or [TS]

  four people will get to present stuff in the Keno and yeah I mean I do think the [TS]

  pages but you know the senior Jimmy that's you know and that's you know [TS]

  that's not great but it's also true that it's a sad reflection on the state of [TS]

  the industry as it is about these people are not included the judge did you know [TS]

  I mean like there there is certainly a lag time between successful women [TS]

  getting up [TS]

  yea well and it slowly happening and then and it's really nice to see them [TS]

  taking it seriously because I know a lot of women in in Syria and there has been [TS]

  some you know it is changing in the right direction so Lisa Jackson is now [TS]

  she's not a senior vice president vice president but she's in charge of their [TS]

  environmental stuff and they're Human Resources chief is a woman I have never [TS]

  met her but her name is Denise Denise Smith she's a black woman Lisa Jackson [TS]

  is a black woman or women of color or whatever the right terminology is but [TS]

  you know clearly adds to the diversity of a page the one thing that I have so [TS]

  many people that readers and listeners of the show have speculated on ever [TS]

  since she joined the company was that Angela Ahrendts was going to become a [TS]

  major part of the keynote and i said well I exactly that I think the real I [TS]

  think what some people thought was hey Apple only let s VP's week on keynotes [TS]

  she's the first non-white guy in this in the ass rupees you know the senior vice [TS]

  president so obviously she's going to speak [TS]

  whereas the way it works is she's only gonna get to speak if there's something [TS]

  about retail that is worth putting an Aquino like if they do something if [TS]

  there's any major new redesigned the retail stores and it's worth hey you [TS]

  know let's spend 10 minutes of this keynote explaining this a major new [TS]

  initiative were taking with a retail stores then she'll get to do it because [TS]

  that her that her domain but she did not gonna bring her up to talk about the [TS]

  sales figures and we get something unrelated like Apple pay right they were [TS]

  gonna have heard ya know they have to because that's right and and really what [TS]

  it is is there said last week its Jennifer Bailey she's a vice president [TS]

  of the company she's not on that page but she's about president and she's [TS]

  she's definitely has been around for a long time and then susan Prescott was [TS]

  the other woman on stage in that he knows she's a vice president in that [TS]

  division so she's high up and she's definitely in charge of she did the news [TS]

  thing so she's you know the the you know the chief of that I guess you know she [TS]

  told a news thing is under her so it made sense for her to do the demo but it [TS]

  was only because they're expanding to like other lower levels of the company [TS]

  that they can do stuff like that which i think is great and you know how Apple [TS]

  has a chief technical officer when they next but thats [TS]

  but holding out on it I know that yeah I'm Hancock up as hey there have been [TS]

  women in Keynote it's a bit of a bit of a stretch it was wearing 1000 nobody me [TS]

  to do that you know they have in the past been women in high-level [TS]

  c-level executives and [TS]

  this kind of systemic change takes time I think just cherry picking people to be [TS]

  the keynote is is is wrong and they're not doing that they are building a good [TS]

  stable really effective speakers and I'm really happy that they're kind of [TS]

  exploding more than like the fortified characters creatures that we used to see [TS]

  like you shelter used that you know he's to jump you know these were caricatures [TS]

  and there seems like they're expanding a little bit beyond that and that's i [TS]

  think thats good through this happened [TS]

  sure I will go down as well I certainly to this day the army he might end up [TS]

  being the only person ever who performed an actual stunt live exactly i mean [TS]

  Google still trying to catch up when they did that thing with the girls [TS]

  jumping out of a plane I guess what when you know when you stretch your VPS [TS]

  senior VP of Marketing [TS]

  plane in Kentucky let me to also know whether it's funny cause for years he [TS]

  said she hated that will be used well but it was definitely knew that [TS]

  anecdotally [TS]

  conversation with him use deeds done no absolutely not [TS]

  now and he's very very quick and you can you know there are a couple of things [TS]

  that he knew I was gonna bring up but there are a couple of things I didn't I [TS]

  as I was asking the six people in a room that I saw some tweets towards the [TS]

  people who the people who really got that joke really looked like yeah and he [TS]

  handled it really just like are you got me there yet but that might be it might [TS]

  be a good example of the last time that Apple's you know that that that I pulled [TS]

  the carpet out from anybody you know in terms of that general discussion [TS]

  hey we give him and if you follow our hands you know your your job will be [TS]

  easier going forward [TS]

  yeah and he's totally right and you know that's kind of the exception that proves [TS]

  the rule is the year before they'd been encouraging it and then they like to [TS]

  know what I can do that so that kind of sucked but he said it their track record [TS]

  was pretty good he didn't even say they were being doesn't get the right as I [TS]

  was in 2000 yes it's 100% didn't even say that he said that you know it's [TS]

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  you could try to debug I think one of the 10 day and you use it I can actually [TS]

  get probably wouldn't have followed up you know sponsors to give us the shaving [TS]

  creams and the day after shave and the razor blade and you know now he's doing [TS]

  a thing to also Apple does when they come out with the first thing and then [TS]

  they slowly iterate over time where they've slowly added a few new things [TS]

  like they started out I think they only had a shaving cream and then had a phone [TS]

  and they had one and not the other and I think they added the gel is the second [TS]

  things are you get a choice when you buy any kid you can choose between shaving [TS]

  cream shaving gel number one you prefer they've got both all sorts of it and if [TS]

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  father's day they had a father's take it but they're already sold out of it might [TS]

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  anyway if you're smart two weeks ago you would listen to me about that yeah that [TS]

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  so I'm gonna treat her right I guess you could be tired CIA scared to death I [TS]

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  I let's talk about some of this technical stuff from the WBC and there [TS]

  really is a lot going on the order of your your well I mean we segue from ya [TS]

  so the first thing that you have in the list and I think it's a good topic is [TS]

  the apt inning and I think that I think that ties into the whole idea that from [TS]

  Federici in the morning keynote about how they significantly cut down on [TS]

  what's going to be the over the air size of anonymity over their size but the [TS]

  minimum required open storage on your device to get started with the update [TS]

  iOS not I think it's got to be really I think so $0.60 like four gigabytes free [TS]

  for example a one-point lead to things happening which will describe in detail [TS]

  in the moment and probably dead man's cum say they mentioned is probably a [TS]

  combination if they're doing some of the research stuff over you know like and we [TS]

  definitely so yeah when it's happening is three things and it is on the mend [TS]

  resources which are easier than the example is is a game where it's you [TS]

  you're not going to get to level 10 just playing the game until a little bit so [TS]

  you can have resources that are included in your application but are not actually [TS]

  download from the App Store until you start 22 need to use them so that's big [TS]

  see you downloaded can be small but you can actually have a big application in [TS]

  general it used to be [TS]

  they remember back in 2008 2009 when we're shipping activities and stuff we [TS]

  sweated getting the app down to the size we would be ok to download over I think [TS]

  it was at that time [TS]

  10 points something and we had a lot of graphics and audio files which you know [TS]

  so you know I think now the direct download size is limited I think it was [TS]

  limited and it it's kind of a moving target but the total downloads says with [TS]

  these resources about 20 and it's definitely an issue I see it a lot i [TS]

  dont download a lot of games myself the Jonas does and it's it's always like you [TS]

  know sitting on a whoopie cushion emotionally when it's a hey can I get [TS]

  this new app but we're out now and it's a while want over the over the cellular [TS]

  down on them and so it's definitely a big deal and you know there was a huge [TS]

  engineering challenge we sweated that because we need the impulse buyer for [TS]

  those kind of pop yeah I mean do you remember that sometimes and sometimes [TS]

  not right and even if it's even if most of the time you still remembered to get [TS]

  the same game when you're back on wifi you're gonna lose some some number of [TS]

  downloads that you would have gotten otherwise yeah and that's definitely a [TS]

  big deal so I think it's a huge win for game developers yeah I mean this does go [TS]

  did it shields on the 16 Gigabyte which was kind of a non-answer let alone but [TS]

  at the same time they're backing that up with a bunch of this technology did they [TS]

  put into you I was nine in order to try to make that he he he was day in hand [TS]

  waiting about doing more things that cloud [TS]

  but you know the the technology that they've actually been adding support [TS]

  that supports the fact that they support the argument they really do want to make [TS]

  16 gigabytes value viable [TS]

  well and like my argument was guessing most people listening to this episode [TS]

  probably listen to that episode amino acid pretty good numbers but my argument [TS]

  my friend was that Apple three years ever since Steve came back has done this [TS]

  good better best three-way framing the product line and that to me with the 64 [TS]

  616 64 128 split its a little bit more like ok better best it's hard for me to [TS]

  justify calling 16 good and you know he he made the best case he could I think [TS]

  that sixteen is pretty good and and and depending on your needs that if you're [TS]

  going to shoot a lot of video don't know you want to upgrade but if you are [TS]

  buying devices for a enterprise type employee type thing that you don't need [TS]

  that and you know that you can store stuff with photo even with video you can [TS]

  use iCloud photo storage and not keep all of your video on your device and [TS]

  still have access to it on the fly when you need it by downloading it when you [TS]

  need it [TS]

  companies buying it hasn't given that employs its emailing you encountered [TS]

  messages in the canisters and it basically gauges for that also I like [TS]

  they did to me not to get too many questions good and you can't [TS]

  good better best and ensure that it wasn't actually that good so on the [TS]

  other hand you know they are making their investing lot of stuff we're in [TS]

  order to make these lower capacity zones I got so I got a lot of feedback on that [TS]

  question from people and some people were like wow you did a great day could [TS]

  you just did a great job framing that in a way that you know you ask the tough [TS]

  question but you did it in a respectful way where you weren't being present [TS]

  confrontational other people were like you did you should have followed up on [TS]

  that after his answer and pressed him on it further or other people who made what [TS]

  is a good point was that I'm it's like my own personal perspective on this [TS]

  where I'm really only interested in the current generation devices I didn't even [TS]

  mention the fact that they're still selling eight gigabyte devices like if [TS]

  you buy the iPhone 5 seed which is the one that I think currently free with [TS]

  contract you only get eight gigabytes of storage which is really low but I do [TS]

  think like you said like with this whole at planning things they're not it's not [TS]

  like they're selling them and engineering has software engineering has [TS]

  left them behind like I think more than ever they're really focused on making [TS]

  sure that the entire array of these wireless devices that they're selling [TS]

  our are moderately useful device you know pretty pretty good prices going [TS]

  forward [TS]

  yeah my i mean this is pretty much empty cheated but my understanding is that the [TS]

  the RAM chips that the use in the 16 gig about it they don't come to reduce that [TS]

  they need to find a different suppliers like things get complicated stuff yeah [TS]

  that's that's something I think we're [TS]

  there's a there's some basic we heard this from the same person last week but [TS]

  sort of office but that it's a little bit more complicated than just the [TS]

  product marketing implications of the way that it if 16 to 64 or 128 is the [TS]

  split boy there's an awful lot of people who are there on the fence might have [TS]

  gone with the law if it was 32 at the low end would have bought that 32 but [TS]

  instead by the $100 spend the extra $100 to get the 64 clearly that's part of it [TS]

  but that we heard that there's a technical reason and it was that sounds [TS]

  crazy I know if the if the 32 gigabyte chick chips did exist it wouldn't be is [TS]

  not a hundred dollar expense tablets a couple of bucks at the most but then [TS]

  there was something very very specific about these chips with 32 ones actually [TS]

  weren't there and they wanted to have a minute quantities 16 was actually there [TS]

  is actually like what you call it an operational advantage to 16 64 128 so [TS]

  you know i cant its only have spoken to the guy actually buys all the stuff you [TS]

  know that seems plausible to me and it's also not something feels but on the [TS]

  other hand so I love this software technologies and a lot of it there's an [TS]

  awful lot of things it's gonna keep coming up because if if we even get to [TS]

  swift and stuff like that but boy the whole and and and one of the things the [TS]

  shore said last weekend I do think we're starting to see it is that a lot of [TS]

  these things are years in the making and some of it [TS]

  many years maybe close to a decade i mean when did happen first bring Chris [TS]

  Lattner in hire him and and sort of adopted LLVM as as their official [TS]

  compiler technology going forward in may not close to close to 10 years close to [TS]

  think less like LinkedIn users on the outside [TS]

  is he voted billion paper any got basically because she she stank and [TS]

  that's not gonna get all bent out of shape about GCC but it was great time [TS]

  really hard to make the advancements that it was saying the LLVM the FreeBSD [TS]

  is adopted it I think there's some some work for Linux bit like that from [TS]

  Wikipedia [TS]

  reports that hired him in 2005 so ten years and obviously they've been reaping [TS]

  rewards from that big and small every year step-by-step but it changed the [TS]

  development tool it's really starting to the the way that thats it's not just the [TS]

  first couple of years of advantages of switching from Jesse were really about [TS]

  developers are the only people who saw those advantages and now we're starting [TS]

  to see this trickle out into user facing features things that would not have been [TS]

  possible with gcc I believe like saying oh don't think you have wrong now you [TS]

  tell him just just to double down on Leonard lender is the gestapo going [TS]

  downhill and its exponential impact he's doing a great job get too swift [TS]

  eventually but he's killing it absolutely is back in the next days [TS]

  before Apple even barton had what was called fat boundaries which we call [TS]

  universal binaries head coach seconds for each of the different chip [TS]

  architectures did the application so you know PowerPC you intelr HBU [TS]

  Science Park stations during the idea is that the tiny [TS]

  sort of table of contents at the beginning the file and then you jump to [TS]

  the QuickPay agents don't start reading did the same book in your language and [TS]

  one book which held for five different versions of the text each translated as [TS]

  appropriate for the architecture that you running on the fatback meet that [TS]

  became universal acts on the Mac with Intel and PowerPC and now 32 and 64 bit [TS]

  down and one of the things that would happen on old next machines was that [TS]

  people would line the command line which still exists cold lipo and wildlife but [TS]

  we do would go into one be executable files and strip out the architecture's [TS]

  did [TS]

  native to run the ad and that would save you some space and back in those days [TS]

  there was space that would be something that you know people like do a blessing [TS]

  in very similar except that it happens on the App Store level we need download [TS]

  and that I was nine using a blessing only the code is appropriate for the [TS]

  device are you downloading it for will be downloaded so you won't have [TS]

  extraneous code through 32 bit or 64 bit arm and one nephew [TS]

  through there and this is probably the biggest win is the resources will be [TS]

  culled didn't appropriate so if you have an iPhone 6 [TS]

  only download the app to XP so instead of the three X resources that should be [TS]

  included so it will be the minimum but it will be only exactly what the [TS]

  application needs and that will you know that that would have huge gains in terms [TS]

  of the application downloads and the device itself in its seems like there's [TS]

  going to be a big deal and it happened so you submit as a developer you submit [TS]

  one up with everything all your resources or 32 bit or 64 bit compiled [TS]

  output you submit that the App Store and in the App Store takes care of serving [TS]

  the sliced up here's the here's here's only what you need version to the [TS]

  customers which is great and it's one of the benefits of having an after you get [TS]

  this License doses you need to download a program and so it's another way that [TS]

  saves everything anyways less energy lasts networking that's no good for [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  faster but it's another way that apps can get under the cellular limit to [TS]

  definitely on demand an end actually a lot especially with this many devices [TS]

  now with so many requirements and resources are getting blown out [TS]

  cannibalize its gonna make it so that every app that you download is saying in [TS]

  terms of you as one of the other things that interest in me about I was [TS]

  tantamount surprised because they're still selling their a five with that the [TS]

  entry model non retina iPad Mini and since they're still selling it that [TS]

  makes sense that they're still supporting it with iOS nine but you know [TS]

  presumably they're going to have new iPads in new iPhones later this year so [TS]

  it's only going to be adding to the number of devices so now we're going all [TS]

  the way from a non read no one x stuff like that like I said the entry-level [TS]

  iPad Mini the iPod touch iPod Touch is still being sold those are a five [TS]

  devices that are such as red but you know they're still not read the device [TS]

  being sold still being supported all the way up to three acts devices like the [TS]

  six plus yeah yeah and the you know again this kind of shit tryin to me that [TS]

  that's a big investment [TS]

  put a lot of work into making at work so you know I just lip service and trying [TS]

  to further the marketing guys I know it's great to try another thing I think [TS]

  this is the first time is that this is a real struggle for developers if there if [TS]

  you're doing something that really presses the limits of the device think [TS]

  high end game [TS]

  think something like Pixelmator for iOS you're really really stretching the [TS]

  limits if you want to both take advantage of the latest hardware and the [TS]

  fastest graphics stuff that's unlike the current state of the art iPhone and iPad [TS]

  and yet still be able to even launched on they face ones so well this'll have [TS]

  to at this e-mail code well but the one that other thing that they announced [TS]

  this was in the morning with Craig where they announced that you if it's up to [TS]

  you as the developer but you can submit app now for iOS that requires 64 bit you [TS]

  know that that he and effectively that means the seven or later as the 87 with [TS]

  the iPhone 5 was the first 64 bit [TS]

  very rarely given us the lack of a better word break points in terms of [TS]

  what can and can't be said about it generally they want it and always level [TS]

  supports it they want to put his to support it is one of the few did it and [TS]

  you know if they did they added this in order to exactly like sports stuff like [TS]

  I and graphics and games because you know a lot of these things the older [TS]

  architectures can handle it and you can the development burden of supporting [TS]

  these older system is going to outweigh any benefit to you have to them and yet [TS]

  in the asteroid there's no way to indicate that there is but it's terrible [TS]

  sure as you see like in the apt description it'll still little sick hey [TS]

  if you if you're not using a seven-hour above or something like that does say [TS]

  don't download this game yet [TS]

  yeah I mean to express that in the App Store nobody wants to cheat in [TS]

  after-hours I mean some people do well in the journey of people are good actors [TS]

  and nobody wants them to download something that they can't possibly and [TS]

  yet there was no program headache or there was no way to express that this [TS]

  game requires a certain level of hardware in order to be even remotely [TS]

  sign so divided that which is which is nice [TS]

  in the old days people switching unlike [TS]

  absolute Video camera like there is some weird stuff that happened to coincide [TS]

  with take faster processors and so they claim that they needed some certain [TS]

  words like a video camera videos or whatever it was yet well we know that [TS]

  this device is faster and it also has other thing so we're going to take it on [TS]

  the other thing you know the tricky at relented not limiting who can buy it [TS]

  that's a crime experience all around you like to Apple you lying to the customers [TS]

  and you know let's come back and talk about but code but fun to read and but [TS]

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  Viking revolves around documents and how you interact with them gather feedback [TS]

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  your email or read receipts on iMessage something like that but it's a lot more [TS]

  like iMessage than emails cuz it's not annoying just as little indication of [TS]

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  be like I think they are they're very nice so I suspect that they are every [TS]

  time I interact with them they're very very nice people [TS]

  because the only explanation that's right because I explained it is I think [TS]

  that this this seems to me like something that even in the state of the [TS]

  union sort of they went through this very very quickly and I yeah they talk [TS]

  about it kinda skimmed over it [TS]

  this session exploration visually mentioned it and then the expansion in [TS]

  the WWC at two movements in a bit good and it wasn't really spoken about much [TS]

  publicly after that but my impression from what they said on stage was the [TS]

  code was affecting the American term for this sort of the Jabba wave like you can [TS]

  pump things down to two byte code where you can redeploy the same code across [TS]

  different right like in in a traditional compilers compiled to a specific [TS]

  processor instructions so if you were you know and x86 chip your compiler [TS]

  generates X 86 machine code that is directly it's the native language of the [TS]

  sepia [TS]

  sound byte code and Java is probably the most famous example of this [TS]

  the Java compiler compiles to bytecode and the bytecode is its low level but [TS]

  it's the same by code can run on its a Intel or PowerPC because it interpreted [TS]

  by a virtual to you which is the one time you know when people ask you to [TS]

  install Jabba that's what they mean [TS]

  rightly did they need you to install the gentleman time so that they can [TS]

  interpret this occurred [TS]

  so my understanding from what they've said briefly with your code would be [TS]

  compiled down into a job like white gold and then we compiled by Apple with their [TS]

  lives compiler technology to target whatever devices to thought like so this [TS]

  would in a blue stuff like CPR CPU and watched it again I paired with an Intel [TS]

  processor because it would be dynamically be compiled when you try to [TS]

  download it there's nothing I did sound like I have to say that sounded like [TS]

  what they say well that's what they said and I freaked out I was that because you [TS]

  know I ship software I don't want my name in touch with software that I have [TS]

  noticed test so I was going to be there was troublesome what actually happens is [TS]

  did LVM compiled code down to bed good news but the big coated lol inmates is [TS]

  very much targeted to the processor that you plan to the point and the only [TS]

  changes that Apple is going to make in this process are quote provably correct [TS]

  and that gets hurt is sort of explain if I'm doing something in loop and at the [TS]

  beginning of the loop I have to do something a hundred times and every time [TS]

  I have to write down five different things never change and memorize them [TS]

  and then [TS]

  the loop and you know do all of the tasks have to do and do it again and [TS]

  have to read them all down again one optimization would be too well why don't [TS]

  you just read in town wants and use them every time loop now modern compilers can [TS]

  do that they can we order your code in order to achieve efficiencies in this [TS]

  way and to compile culture not to cry if those 50 and you're saying it in this [TS]

  case those five things are exactly the same and have to be exactly the same you [TS]

  can prove that they'll be exactly the same all hundred times through the loop [TS]

  well okay so there's two things these days yes there is back which is [TS]

  basically did optimization providing code little pulls out and put them on [TS]

  now the problem with that comes is that if ok here the stages I'm going to ask [TS]

  you your name [TS]

  gonna ask you your family name and then I am going to break them down on a piece [TS]

  of paper and gonna pass it to somebody else that's my iteration ok well im [TS]

  gonna probably outnumbered done it so there is a little bit different now ask [TS]

  you you name ask you your family name and write them down and doing it over [TS]

  and over and over now one day you like you don't want June is a shooting game [TS]

  I'm going to call myself a guy that's an awesome name and so now when I go to [TS]

  have asked you your name and is now guy Gerber and so the outward jacob Hoggard [TS]

  yeah I'm trying to advance compiler optimizations now there's a pretty good [TS]

  so you took those two steps I guess can you name your last name and took mad the [TS]

  loop most of the time Bitola correct but there is a weird education [TS]

  by analyzing the code you can necessarily tell the user lately you may [TS]

  change your name it so that breaks covered and that's the kind of [TS]

  optimization that happens with all three year deal to like did you set a flag [TS]

  that how much you want to go to be optimized when you compile these things [TS]

  debug get stepped in and see exactly is happening at higher and higher level [TS]

  optimization the compiling its markets more about doing this but the compilers [TS]

  not always able to reason about your code and therefore can introduce some [TS]

  bucks so that's why I was told that cannot happen so they towed there [TS]

  different day they have already done that interest asia trying to be smart [TS]

  and moving adding the code in order to achieve algorithmic and we've done that [TS]

  on your machine the machine underneath your desk as a developer and so what [TS]

  what what you've gotten from Xcode on your machine you can test to your [TS]

  satisfaction [TS]

  exactly now what date code will allow Apple to do and I'm gonna come up with [TS]

  similarly stupid example is that if you have some operations come get multiple [TS]

  operation need is a fast way to do it I get on another plane powers of the CPU [TS]

  but if you only multiplying powers of 10 like $1600 [TS]

  all you have to do is add a bunch of zeros right like legitly that's how you [TS]

  learn to do math [TS]

  there can be a very fast way to do multiplication [TS]

  this compiler can take advantage of because it's it's being introduced as a [TS]

  new contingent exceptionally good as a new capability in the CPU now multiply [TS]

  to multiply this matter of happenstance to slow its the same multiply same order [TS]

  of operations is fine [TS]

  whether they take a shortcut although they do the full amount clay is you know [TS]

  is something that is basically decision based on the decision to make and so [TS]

  Apple is basically reserving the right to change your code a little bit in [TS]

  order to better take advantage of these my nude optimization right and so it's [TS]

  not as has widely been speculated a way to future-proof compiled code for as yet [TS]

  altogether new processors that's my understanding yes this would be as hard [TS]

  to target retarget to a new processor as taking a salary and jogging tomorrow and [TS]

  under the hood so this article that was getting a widely cited article written [TS]

  by I don't even know it is here [TS]

  here she goes by the name international lemon and I i don't know who this is but [TS]

  that the initial lemon wrote an article that sort of thing they're probably [TS]

  wrong that it's it's a good I recall I recommend reading it it's where I [TS]

  started until I spoke to people a little bit more magic then then they can [TS]

  probably get away with and maybe even like from your perspective as a [TS]

  developer more magic [TS]

  then you would be comfortable them trying to get away with [TS]

  well so ready to getting lost in your shulman hey that's where they seem [TS]

  excited about the possibilities and it is it's exciting that you could we [TS]

  target application to different platform on the other hand somebody targets [TS]

  Michael different platform and I don't get to prove it and it shipped under my [TS]

  name I am gonna feel very uncomfortable it now turns out that's not what you [TS]

  doing there is there they're doing small optimization can have probably pretty [TS]

  small benefits but in under certain conditions it did so and you know I'm [TS]

  excited about what next [TS]

  so this was called me and just as somebody who majored in computer [TS]

  sciences to think about computers I it's like a purely computer science thing is [TS]

  Apple unveiled a new compression algorithm they're calling L E E [TS]

  almost surprised because Apple usually comes up with some kind of name for [TS]

  everything [TS]

  and its replacement for well sort of a drop-in replacement for GNC live or [TS]

  whatever but that it's different I mean I dont replacement [TS]

  it's an alternate laughs as he should speed compression factor and its way [TS]

  faster than Zealand and competitors better and but the only thing that they [TS]

  didn't unveil about the state of being open source guessing that they probably [TS]

  will but they just didn't want to say anything right now because they're not [TS]

  they're not ready but who knows well like you said I think this is like [TS]

  serious comps a territory yeah if they don't open until I said there's going to [TS]

  be a paper on it just seems to me like even if they've you know I can't see why [TS]

  they wouldn't open sources I mean is if there's some part of it that they've [TS]

  patented but even so it's like to me it would be better for Apple if they would [TS]

  be more in Apple's interest to have this is widely used as possible assuming [TS]

  everything they say about it is good that it has the tight compression a you [TS]

  want but it's three times faster than the liberal whatever they would but you [TS]

  can patent something in still describe the Andre [TS]

  that's kind of the point you can even a gift for you know better than I like [TS]

  through twenty years seems like before the patent expired yeah the problem gift [TS]

  tho unisys owned up and give the day didn't enforce it depend on it didn't [TS]

  enforce it and the web [TS]

  of a sudden unaware of everybody was using it and then somebody at Unisys [TS]

  realize hey we on a patent on this and then you know everybody sort of yeah it [TS]

  was specifically if I i since their invention the family of things it would [TS]

  I think what they could do that Apple could do some anybody could do I think [TS]

  other people have done is you can patent it and say this is an Apple patent but [TS]

  then they can they can bestow that patent you know they can say this is [TS]

  open to the world you know once you have the patent is the bus but they could [TS]

  like make you can listen to terry like a legally binding to determine the [TS]

  licensing terms if the terms are everybody can use it and everybody can [TS]

  use it but I don't see that this is not a major benefit Apple this is not going [TS]

  to be more of a benefit Benefit Apple if everybody else started using it even you [TS]

  know so like Google's servers were using it [TS]

  Amazon servers were using it or other you know [TS]

  startups you know people with Web services could deploy it anywhere from [TS]

  anywhere so that iPhones receiving these you know their stuff over the air could [TS]

  take advantage of this and have better compression and you know less CPU [TS]

  intensive decompression of the compressor and white and one thing the [TS]

  point of that was that a lot of the compression algorithms that we use today [TS]

  were twenty thirty years ago and CPUs looked very different backgrounds so [TS]

  creating modern one that takes full advantage of modern instruction sets and [TS]

  the ability to work on letter dated with meant getting to the node weeds and this [TS]

  one but there's methods to work with a lot of data with very few instructions [TS]

  and and the CPU just optimized that well I have to say much more about it but I [TS]

  do so I still think it's an interesting thing to be coming out I'm not surprised [TS]

  but it's it's interesting just pure computer science when to come out [TS]

  yeah one thing and even before the show I see faced him as the open-source [TS]

  exception they're really pretty good deputies said yeah but they're people [TS]

  remember that infamous when they face time and Steve Jobs and it's gonna be [TS]

  open industry standard we're gonna you know we're going tomorrow morning we're [TS]

  gonna send this to all the industry's standard standard committees and blah [TS]

  blah blah and so whenever apple says anything's gonna be open people like my [TS]

  breath on FaceTime FaceTime is definitely the exception [TS]

  you know yeah I had seen this before but said on your show I went out to party [TS]

  with the Chiefs Sunday as the day it was announced and they had no idea what you [TS]

  don't know and have since heard from people who would know that Steve asked [TS]

  somebody can be open sources and they just came back with cheddar and jack [TS]

  critique like whoever gave the answer lies in the entire team sitting in the [TS]

  audience and when they heard there was gonna be open source D they were as [TS]

  shocked as we were probably marcia so anyway [TS]

  us in the interim but it's not that's not some kind of thing that's just a [TS]

  complete version and it's sort of you know it's you know you gotta take the [TS]

  good with the bad with Steve Jobs where he can be impetuous and impulsive and [TS]

  sometimes that works to your advantage and sometimes it doesn't get the [TS]

  impression that she was to you and they had all sorts of other problems with [TS]

  that to where they had like a patent lawsuit and then there was a time I [TS]

  think I might be some of seven middle but some of this there were problems you [TS]

  know someone FaceTime debut to where we are today where because of a patent [TS]

  lawsuit they had done roll some stuff [TS]

  and it made it love work lies well you know dropped calls and stuff like that [TS]

  it got worse for a while before it got better because they had to take out some [TS]

  stuff because of a patent lawsuit obviously that would have been a problem [TS]

  if they'd open if they had just just quote unquote open source the original [TS]

  thing anyway yeah you don't just decide to print or something like that [TS]

  technical and you know that's alright so next big topic we've got watch kit to [TS]

  point out which is seriously a major major major difference so watch kit as [TS]

  we know it with what they unveiled last november what every single watch app in [TS]

  the App Store today is his code that runs on your phone and projects you I [TS]

  onto the watch and watch get to point out as promised by Jeff Williams month [TS]

  or so ago is native native native code that can run on one point still works [TS]

  which is nice and might be good for some uses you know why I asked yeah sure [TS]

  about that last weekend there may be some apps that don't even need to run [TS]

  natively if they really do just need occasional status update why even bother [TS]

  with it [TS]

  so I do think it would get there was a big thing yeah I think so when I was [TS]

  surprised about with just exactly how much access we go to it because we get [TS]

  we all expected acts when we get complications notifications glasses and [TS]

  apps I really did not think that we use third-party developers would be afforded [TS]

  access to the complications I always expected that we would be eventually but [TS]

  I thought that would be a next year [TS]

  well it's actually sure but as it was called watch get to put whatever first [TS]

  release of native yeah I will never use a version number like this but more last [TS]

  night what we had with the current you know watch kids sorta like watch kids [TS]

  0.1% prized the card it watch it seems like watched it could have been a boon [TS]

  Bluetooth thing and then I don't know watch STK could have been but you see [TS]

  interesting you still need to have an iPhone app in order to have one jet you [TS]

  cannot sell watches directly and they need to be a compliment to your iPhone [TS]

  what that means is you know probably lost the muddy day going to happen [TS]

  approval I can you disable screen comes up and check you are probably not but [TS]

  what was keen to point out with his is remarkably robust and forward-looking [TS]

  especially compared to that we saw the line should I one of my go-to moves [TS]

  during WWDC is when I run into somebody I haven't seen an awesome 90 [TS]

  just asked him you know and especially this week I just had last week I had had [TS]

  more meetings and stuff outside Moscow need than usual most every day I had [TS]

  something going on and i i really I didn't make it to any sessions at all [TS]

  all week long so I was woefully under informed even compared to usual so I [TS]

  just ask people like tell me something call you learn this week and you know [TS]

  what you're taking I kept hearing over and over people who are surprised you [TS]

  were like I knew they were gonna say that they said we're going to get native [TS]

  watch out I can't believe how how much they've exposed to watch out sorry you [TS]

  know even knowing that we're gonna have something quote-unquote native running [TS]

  on that people are vitriano developers are very surprised at how much i mean [TS]

  shut you know not to be too nice to you but until I watched him 1.00 period to [TS]

  to chill and condoms to [TS]

  yeah it really is usually have me on the show and I agree with something you want [TS]

  me to die I i text it down [TS]

  forget we're texting about that I told him it killed me to publicly how good he [TS]

  looks like they got written during fireball lawyer I don't know why we got [TS]

  him I am along with beer and so here's an interesting things so complications [TS]

  everybody is excited that there's really good complications API [TS]

  and a third party apps can add complications to all these phases it is [TS]

  fascinating design challenge I was talking to the guys my friends who work [TS]

  at mlb.com and they do the MLB app and they were like they heard about this [TS]

  they were they were just like us they were surprised that they were gonna get [TS]

  it and then they immediately started plotting what they're gonna do and for [TS]

  most of these complications you're so limited in space and how much size it's [TS]

  like that their first thought was that you could pick a favorite team and then [TS]

  you have a complication that while the game is going on would show you the [TS]

  score but they for most of the sizes of complications they maybe they figured it [TS]

  out by now but at least last week they still hadn't figured out how to do it [TS]

  because you can't use color because the colors come from the he said he said [TS]

  yeah you can't like say the Yankees are blue in the Phillies are red and [TS]

  indicated with dots that way or something like that you have to do has [TS]

  to be without using color to indicate that and there's so little space that [TS]

  you you know it's it's really it's gonna be a great design challenge in terms of [TS]

  like constraints being you know forcing you to be super creative yeah I agree [TS]

  just as I know you have the MLP guys like but it's not just use live in [TS]

  baseball [TS]

  those guys to meet ya like we've had lunch but joined you for lunch [TS]

  you don't even know the rules of baseball you if i dont have a good time [TS]

  to talk to they are very very smart cars and they are loved as well and they're [TS]

  not jackasses when I like to swing the bat this way [TS]

  batting a thousand is that a hundred percent yeah but they are killing it in [TS]

  terms of technology like you killin it i think is correct in their backend is the [TS]

  one that's terrible video back and does all of the WWE stuff and the HBO now [TS]

  they're not doing HBO Go HBO Go is still the old HBO backend stuff is yes and I [TS]

  think I think the new stuff is probably more popular yeah and I mean just wrap [TS]

  your head around that MLB is major technology is crazy [TS]

  well I think about this like they did last year with HBO Go when Game of [TS]

  Thrones the last year's season of Game of Thrones came out their servers [TS]

  crapped out and they had to say stuff like we know it's Sunday night and [TS]

  there's a new episode of Game of Thrones if you want to watch it on game on HBO [TS]

  Go why don't you wait a day or two and there was none of that this year with [TS]

  the HBO now and it's one of the things people do you know when when when you're [TS]

  online stuff fails everybody talks about it and when it works perfectly everybody [TS]

  just assumes that it was supposed to be but they mlb.com back to HBO now stuff [TS]

  with Game of Thrones just just worked and everybody wanted to what you might [TS]

  just want to sing their praises was not damaged but you know complications from [TS]

  the white person I don't think I can even tell you how many times I've been [TS]

  hanging just does the conversation [TS]

  check out what's going on with the game [TS]

  every great and the way complications work is pretty cool in the you provide a [TS]

  timeline but I obviously that's not going to work for a game because you can [TS]

  predict the future but for you know stuff like weather or coming events you [TS]

  can provide timeline and then when you start dying the digital crime and you [TS]

  get to see into the future I haven't tried the beta gonna put america watch [TS]

  and you still have you thought about that I do I was getting ready to send it [TS]

  back and maybe I should keep it put 2.2 on it that's going in the garbage and [TS]

  that they're gonna incinerated because I work it yeah probably lives gonna put [TS]

  that in zip lock bag and going I think like a lot of people while I was [TS]

  watching the keynote and they said ok and now we've got this time line [TS]

  interface for complications and you spend the digital crown the go forward [TS]

  or backward in time and it'll show you you know like so few of the temperature [TS]

  obviously the show you the future temperature but you can go back in time [TS]

  and see the previous temperature or the joke that they made that the stock you [TS]

  know just how good does not go into the future but you can go into the past and [TS]

  see the stock moving throughout the day as the hours you know change I'd like I [TS]

  am sure a lot of people I immediately thought what the hell happened now when [TS]

  I spend the crown on my watch and I went on the ground and of course nothing [TS]

  happens [TS]

  well depends on the astronomy and leave the Sun so you can do that you can spend [TS]

  that thing and it shows you what happened but that with those are two [TS]

  phases where you don't get to customize the complications and it makes me wonder [TS]

  maybe that might be why [TS]

  you didn't get to customize the complications because they didn't want [TS]

  to have had that hadn't occurred so makes me wonder whether in the you know [TS]

  to point out what maybe they'll add some minor complications to like the solar [TS]

  face because those will update to the ground we'll have to ask your friend to [TS]

  say but I thought that was pretty quiet and that's pretty cool use hindsight it [TS]

  seems pretty obvious that I was gonna come to everything actually I should be [TS]

  able to predict that because while so you know why should spinning the crown [TS]

  piano Op yeah of course and well I mean they killed it I think that great just [TS]

  seeing what he when you next UI UI your next counter communist is a major and [TS]

  not only that there's the tactile feel is it coming soon in that you move the [TS]

  digital crown very little while we have to spend a little bit you know there is [TS]

  a it's a screaming to the top of the page [TS]

  dresses like swinging couple and you have known here as foreground [TS]

  discouraged background preferred what does that mean this is something chance [TS]

  it to me when we were doing a debug WWDC to get eventually on the phone you could [TS]

  not do anything in the background is not on screen he would be dead to the world [TS]

  you expected to launch quickly and get back to what you were doing but you [TS]

  weren't running and then when they hit the home button to go to [TS]

  crap you have a second or two or that he would let you clean up and and once at [TS]

  times over your cut off whether you were done cleaning exactly the OS's aku done [TS]

  and one of the things I love about a ways is dead is not afraid to just kill [TS]

  processes will tell you you've got to clean up and kill you right where is the [TS]

  the classic UNIX mindset that rude UNIX mindset is to go to extraordinary [TS]

  lengths to keep all processes running like the whole system can be out of RAM [TS]

  and it'll it'll start swapping and going to using the desk in swapping memory out [TS]

  to extraordinary lengths to the to the length we're really slow everything to a [TS]

  crawl but technically at everything is still running and I was instantly [TS]

  camping out on it figures that had to get swept the Mac is it a few times [TS]

  running low on disk based bad things will happen but I S no did you write so [TS]

  I you know and you're saying that addresses observations that the watches [TS]

  different we're actually prefers that you do well in the process of selling [TS]

  running back in berlin you schedule a bunch of complication and then provide [TS]

  them to the API and then go away soon as you turn that dial your process is not [TS]

  involved in telling the watch what comes next if you've given it twenty or fifty [TS]

  or a hundred events in advance when the time travel dial when the digital ground [TS]

  is turned your application never been worn out all the information is required [TS]

  to be saying that it [TS]

  your day on screen has already been given to the app and it won't bother you [TS]

  so in a way it's more like you provide data and times to the to the watch and [TS]

  it decides what do with them rather than phone which eventually headed immediate [TS]

  interaction model for me since I magnin I do think so I know you may know it's [TS]

  like you're supposed to keep your complication going you to schedule like [TS]

  you know it obviously it could be abused [TS]

  well I mean this User difference is like you when I try to schedule the show and [TS]

  you keep asking me like a free now if we now if we now look at these are the [TS]

  budget I'm not really in this is where I am free and you can go away and [TS]

  information working around your schedule and then come back with a well is the [TS]

  time that works for both of us they that's kind of what the complications [TS]

  and watching you provide them with the timeline of dance and data rather than [TS]

  the watch asking you persistently so you as the application asking the [TS]

  application PA system to provide new information it asks the application of [TS]

  pride a list of Benson in time and there's this new they call it a high [TS]

  priority notification if it comes into your phone and you market is high [TS]

  priority it'll go to the watch right away and i was thinkin that's perfect [TS]

  for something like a sports app like the MLB app with scores like if you say I [TS]

  wanna have scores on my watch the Yankees [TS]

  it can be it seems to me like you can be really smart and knows what the game [TS]

  hasn't even started the game doesn't start till seven o'clock at night so [TS]

  we'll just all you need to know is that there's a game starting at seven o'clock [TS]

  and in the complication can just say something you know 7:05 p.m. Miami [TS]

  Marlins that's who the Yankees are playing tonight and then once the game [TS]

  starts they can just wait for the every time they score changes and a high [TS]

  priority notification and then the watchword be up-to-date pretty much as [TS]

  soon as the notification is your iPhone and it doesn't need to pull on a regular [TS]

  basis again just wait for this you know for their a piano that watched the phone [TS]

  how to get those notifications that only happen when the score changes and so do [TS]

  things you first [TS]

  notifications no longer need to be presented to the user they can just go [TS]

  to the second I love you think that a Yankee score changes [TS]

  high-protein well this is another very this is where it pays to be a soccer [TS]

  because then you only have to get one no notification game since they all end 10 [TS]

  can argue with that [TS]

  ok that's getting my clothes get website [TS]

  surprising to me so the gist of the distal that seems to be I didn't see the [TS]

  session but I only saw the highlight of it in the state of the union but that [TS]

  now they're going to have a set of API said that a web app can use iCloud for [TS]

  user IDs and pretty much get the same data out of it that that native apps can [TS]

  ya dad is kind of remarkable again haven't looked into them as web stuff is [TS]

  not my forte [TS]

  it seemed from just the slide and what they said that you could use it for any [TS]

  occasion when you guys it used it for desperately trying to land at home [TS]

  probably I mean it would have ruled this week and that's if I'm not wrong they [TS]

  came up [TS]

  and you can see Facebook science and the reason we did those cool to say how you [TS]

  can say that we thought about it I think I've talked about this but did nothing [TS]

  secret about it we definitely thought about it because we didn't want to rate [TS]

  our own authentication system because it's every moment that we that we spend [TS]

  writing an authentication system was a moment we weren't writing call features [TS]

  that were specific the best burger but the problem we found when we asked [TS]

  friends and family normal people and not not like people who are developers and [TS]

  no indication system is a pain in the ass is that a lot of normal people [TS]

  really hate signing in with Twitter or Facebook because let's say they just [TS]

  want to use a note up and they think and I think reasonably so they think hey I [TS]

  don't want to use my facebook as I don't want my facebook getting messed up with [TS]

  these notes I don't want Facebook posting something from a note I don't [TS]

  want i just want to keep them separate people don't really understand where one [TS]

  thing blurs with another but they do they know if they never even sign into [TS]

  this Notes app with Facebook then they can never get intertwined and people are [TS]

  just uncomfy people don't like doing it people like having I know it sounds like [TS]

  it sounds counterintuitive because everybody knows it's a problem to have [TS]

  75 different user accounts that your active using and you have you know [TS]

  you're supposed to use a different password with these one and so [TS]

  developers think I'll solve this will just use you know Facebook as your login [TS]

  and then you can just use the account you already know but the truth is that [TS]

  people are uncomfortable with that because they don't want Facebook getting [TS]

  mixed up with these other services [TS]

  you know what I am [TS]

  you know what I am [TS]

  never signed in to Facebook to anything I still have a Facebook account here but [TS]

  I know I do just for the sake of like I worry about it when I use Twitter to [TS]

  sign into something else though because I've I don't think I've ever gotten [TS]

  burned by this but I know there are stupid things where you can like sign in [TS]

  with Twitter and you're not really paying attention and then they [TS]

  automatically tweet your account I'm using blah blah blah and there's a judge [TS]

  that happens you know [TS]

  hated it had to like publicly it was act on it [TS]

  yeah maybe I think I think and I think she only reason I avoided that was that [TS]

  I was late to it and a bunch of friends who got burned by it and so I knew not [TS]

  by enlarged again I mean I very rarely use Facebook but in theory that's got a [TS]

  lot of prison information on me [TS]

  twitter is like 99% me being a jackass and public which I realized that [TS]

  everything input into Twitter's [TS]

  DMZ expect to be private but I mean honestly if that failed will be that bad [TS]

  but if your app recorded his Brooklyn I'd probably let them do to you but that [TS]

  isn't to do it because I have no idea what that would mean so even as a [TS]

  developer I don't know I have no idea and i don't know if that can change in [TS]

  the future either well anyway I we might have been a lot more likely to use [TS]

  iCloud than anything else and we even thought about ways to use iCloud in a [TS]

  way that [TS]

  know even everyone using I called for the data just using it as an [TS]

  authentication having a token or something like that and there's ways you [TS]

  could do that I think having their web service API it certainly makes it more [TS]

  interesting and more likely that we would have used in a really might in the [TS]

  future is something like that yeah that's a good stead John just start to [TS]

  yeah we can start let me take a break I have two more sponsors thanks let me get [TS]

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  finding you know they have tools so if the one you want is taken they make [TS]

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  different top level domain may be tweaked the actual demand your wanting [TS]

  slightly to get one that's available if you've ever registered domain name [TS]

  somewhere else however is like the difference she night and day most other [TS]

  domain name registrars it's like going into the bad part of town you feel like [TS]

  you gotta keep your hand on your wallet [TS]

  you gotta look you know for checkboxes where they're automatically upgraded you [TS]

  to stop the gifted opt-out of stuff they they charge you more they seem like [TS]

  they're charging you these great prices but if you want something privacy for [TS]

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  on the domain name registration you have to pay extra all of that you get that [TS]

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  and they go and move in Malta cover for you they just go through all the hassles [TS]

  and as as our friend merle man has said in his reach for other on shows like [TS]

  these other registries that he purposefully make it pretty hard to to [TS]

  move your domains it's sort of like Colin up to cancel your cable service [TS]

  they don't they [TS]

  and heaven knows all the tricks they know everything they need to do to get [TS]

  that working so great interface great management tools great tools for [TS]

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  20 shelter and that'll mean life but also we have to tear through here [TS]

  striptease with two we get it we get mad [TS]

  like halfway down this stage I think Swift is doing great I think the fact [TS]

  that it's as popular as it is one year in is fantastic but almost nobody is [TS]

  using it yet as their main language it's just it's not reason it's not a failure [TS]

  it's just it's the side effect of Apple releasing it as early as they did to get [TS]

  feedback and I think if Apple were different company this would be there [TS]

  now comes word 1.0 would have been swift 0.62% is a really think that the [TS]

  differences is that this year swift 2.0 call it the real one point out you want [TS]

  to [TS]

  is informed by a year's worth of feedback from actual developers and yes [TS]

  I mean when Swift one came when Swift first came out there was some banana [TS]

  stuff you could mutate and raised in ways that would make no sense according [TS]

  to the way you'd expect from swift give you covered it be interviewed and then [TS]

  changed something in Maine in maybe it would also be changed inside of me a [TS]

  blast like 20 million but basically it would be like you know spooky action at [TS]

  a distance like you would you would you would change one thing in one place and [TS]

  it would affect something and some other place and that makes it really heritage [TS]

  how programs were they fix that they've been improving the syntax and 2.0 I [TS]

  really think that they've kinda turned a corner and I think it's definitely would [TS]

  considering adopting two nuclear the big one big edition this is this isn't [TS]

  something they had to revisit it something that they really didn't even [TS]

  talk about until until now is right and it looks good to me i mean but my [TS]

  perspective on this is certainly a layman's perspective at this point but [TS]

  it looks good to me in terms of what they call it a try catch its yeah it's [TS]

  do try and then bridge and playgrounds have a good I'm human now now I know you [TS]

  laughing but no blown away by that I never really thought that would make it [TS]

  into Apple's developer tools lol sure ninety code is now no definitely not the [TS]

  ideas which has been this bad the ideas were the best part so error handling you [TS]

  create a block and then you APIC they can get to that can we turn in their [TS]

  stored here in in swift language and put try and find them and then you can catch [TS]

  those areas and process them accordingly trying to come up with a way to describe [TS]

  this but it's almost like is every every time we tried something is something [TS]

  went wrong [TS]

  you will not follow the rest of the steps in the recipe instead you just go [TS]

  to the case where you clean everything up and you you wipe down kitchen and you [TS]

  just didn't work so they've made kind of a pretty nice way I think handling it [TS]

  and somebody and I think I forget I'm stealing this from somebody out there [TS]

  last week but somebody when we were [TS]

  drinking in the Parc 55 or something somebody mentioned that some of this [TS]

  stuff is not really for the compiler some of it is like the syntax is really [TS]

  for the programmer to know hey you know I love a.m. can figure out [TS]

  could could figure out some of this without the syntax but the sin taxes [TS]

  there so that when you're reading the code you the programmer like this could [TS]

  throw an error I might not even to the line like it's it's you know here's this [TS]

  method called to open the document I might not get to the next line because I [TS]

  I can see right here that this might throw an error and there might be well [TS]

  the document is even there anymore or something you know you don't even know [TS]

  but it's gonna you know the flow is gonna change and then here is where it's [TS]

  going to go if it throws an error and I can see where my you know you know what [TS]

  what do I do if something unexpected happens [TS]

  example let's say you are opened example the compiler knows that open document [TS]

  may return with an error made to an error you don't need to put right in [TS]

  front of it to appease the compiler you could you say open document and the [TS]

  compiler will be totally happy being the girl that failed so I'm gonna go down [TS]

  here but by requiring the use of the key word try you are forcing the program at [TS]

  Jimmy's in about the way that the cold flow may change so I like I do one of [TS]

  the things that concerns me about Swift is that there's a lot of automation [TS]

  declaration that is in order to appease the compiler order to present the [TS]

  composer better options in order to produce faster rather than preferring [TS]

  more readable code that said justice try construct [TS]

  think favors the phase 2 program and also favors the person that comes back [TS]

  to us understand that good right maybe you didn't see me maybe or maybe even a [TS]

  place for me personally anything any code I've ever written six months later [TS]

  it's I might as well been written by somebody else [TS]

  yeah so well that's what comments are that's that to me is you know to be fair [TS]

  you that's to me is the secret to me the secret programming was when I went to [TS]

  break through for me was to realize that comments are in for other people come in [TS]

  to free yourself in a few months [TS]

  yeah yeah explain to my future self exactly what the hell you were thinking [TS]

  when you wrote this program is not that smart just realized that you had the [TS]

  dummy you're looking down right now and just begun come to buy a medal on the [TS]

  Mac marijuana make very cool so metal was introduced last year on iOS it had [TS]

  the advantage did the GPU and CPU were interviewed him as saying Japanese [TS]

  shared the same memory and the Mac that's not the case that the Mac Pro has [TS]

  distinct discrete graphics cards ATI going to get the partner but some macros [TS]

  have that too that could be integrated graphics and then they can wrap up 22 [TS]

  having discrete GPUs cake and so medal in the Mac brings in very low level [TS]

  approach graphics programming class to the Mac Direct X 12 has been doing is 88 [TS]

  mantle API has been doing is [TS]

  I think the time in the big picture I feel like there's a couple of factors I [TS]

  think one of them is that Apple is their custom silicon teams call it all you [TS]

  know Bob Mansfield stuff but they're doing amazing graphics stuff I S on the [TS]

  Mac they're still doing you know they're using ATI and Nvidia graphics card that [TS]

  could shift some point right that they could start doing their own graphics [TS]

  chips for the Mac maybe but laying the ground for the Mac laying the groundwork [TS]

  now with metal would make that sort of transition couple of years from now [TS]

  a lot easier if in the future you know if if in a couple of years all anything [TS]

  graphic intensive Mac is assumed to be the middle so there's a hardware and [TS]

  clear alrighty I could be wrong you know I'm often wrong in over my head on this [TS]

  the other day the other day and I made last week but here's the thing with [TS]

  OpenGL OpenGL man on ways to Windows 16 windows 32 St i dnt want that kind of [TS]

  cross-platform thing open jails we do it [TS]

  interfaces like metal mantle and directors 12 are a new way of reasoning [TS]

  by the GPU originally the GPU used to be about you would submit some triangles [TS]

  you would set some state in order to you know this is the color enjoy this is the [TS]

  text you gonna map onto these triangles and then you would put my screen these [TS]

  days the GPU has got so fast and so [TS]

  capable of just tearing the data did the best way to address it is not in this [TS]

  piecemeal fashion but rather to basically laid out commands dream man [TS]

  stream is more technical people in your audience will disagree with their [TS]

  business effectively program there's no loop Syria statements but it but it's [TS]

  it's it's a recipe had a drug scene and you feed it to the GPU and then the GPU [TS]

  will just territory and and producer and the interesting thing is the stuff like [TS]

  OpenGL which targeted at rendering 3d scenes its jails graphics language it's [TS]

  the open graphics and text 3d simple metal is about leveraging the [TS]

  capabilities of this off board super parallel computer vice it happens that [TS]

  is really good at rendering pixels and transforming 3d stuff [TS]

  the math required to do 3d and 22 shade pixels to make everything look pretty is [TS]

  also the man that can be applied in any number of different ways it may not be [TS]

  graphics related so open so metal does [TS]

  wide open jailed as and also does would open sealed as her friend Chris lucy [TS]

  loader's letter Stefan Logan CEO with capo guest meal in with a friend is a [TS]

  lot of stuff on the Mac with with OpenCL medal presented the device as a [TS]

  massively parallel independent compute their eyes to the fact that ultimately [TS]

  you could describe computers in general as machines that do math really fast and [TS]

  in in recent years it's the GPUs not the CPUs that have gotten faster and faster [TS]

  and faster at that and that there's a solution to use of good at I guess they [TS]

  bettered switching on conditions like if you've done this then there's then they [TS]

  have a lower the GPU is the most dating and throw them and just have a crush on [TS]

  it in the same way without changing any of the faster they go and optimizing the [TS]

  two is is different now than in terms of the program in terms of the the CPU [TS]

  needs to be responsive and we'll wait and see the GPU needs to basically you [TS]

  mean you give it played a stake in its done in two seconds now I made the [TS]

  mistake last week was sure about emphasizing gaming and it's great for [TS]

  games but it's one of the reasons I made the mistake they hadn't seen state of [TS]

  the union and in the state of the union [TS]

  I thought this is great I thought they were a it was good to good demos but I [TS]

  was really cool to see Adobe on stage they had a guy from this crazy [TS]

  complicated Illustrator document where you can zoom in live whereas prior to [TS]

  end this is a version is not shipping records based on medals on the Mac [TS]

  and you can zoom in to this crazy detail and with metal they could do it in real [TS]

  time and instead of typing a new number in this room box and awaiting a second [TS]

  for a career ender at that resolution he'd assume in on the fly and animation [TS]

  video effects in After Effects that previously rendered like a really slow [TS]

  frame rate now they're rendering in real time it's it's you know all sorts of [TS]

  things already rendered in real-time and after effects but this was a totally [TS]

  plausible demo of something somebody might be doing that's gone from you know [TS]

  you kind of get like a preview to now it goes in real time so it's a big win for [TS]

  graphics professionals to I told him and that so there was a time there were [TS]

  Adobe was you know / not great but it only has been long time jenna Marbles [TS]

  going back to the first lady better and you know i mean can what is named for [TS]

  him and you can forget his name can forget it [TS]

  yeah I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce it in the original Irish [TS]

  been here for sure everyone came back very very tight relationship for a long [TS]

  time and say what you will about Adobe and I would like to know countries out [TS]

  some of the other can he did [TS]

  what happened W felt like a long relationship and am so happy said they [TS]

  should be hanging out like the [TS]

  there is problems with the daily stuff but the notion did I like the creativity [TS]

  and an apple that I like that the relationship between Adobe and Apple is [TS]

  on the upswing like I feel like the bottom down instead of continuing to [TS]

  deteriorate obviously on the upswing and it's cool that they're working with [TS]

  Adobe well in advance you know certainly well you know clearly if they've got the [TS]

  demo is already working Adobe didn't have to wait until double-double easy to [TS]

  find out about mental and it even ties in with my carbon 64 joke last week [TS]

  because whatever year that was 2006 2007 the bottom dropped out on carbon 64 [TS]

  where the year before [TS]

  carbon was going to 64 bit and then the next year as I guess what no I know for [TS]

  a fact that Adobe found out about it when it when it was announced the wEDC [TS]

  really probably the later the bottoming out of the Dobie Apple relationship [TS]

  tartan / matabane I but I think feel like that was that that was a data [TS]

  specific team at Adobe whereas the carbon 64 thing I think it closer to two [TS]

  but maybe that's just my bias towards being a longtime fan of their creative [TS]

  tools but neither can either help I'll only take one last break here and thank [TS]

  you our last month to read and shockingly surprisingly it's our good [TS]

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  you don't have to go into a special editing mode you're just logged in you [TS]

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  grouper he'll save some dough we gotta cut through the rest of this real quick [TS]

  as you can see ya a little bit you know what I major happened what do we know [TS]

  about the same power as a for either case believe needed to 20% a prompt you [TS]

  in so doing it and low power mode if I'm not mistaken mistaking Android phones [TS]

  deals when I was curious about was wide and this is kinda weird but I would be [TS]

  curious to know how a phone felt just slowly got less responsive as the power [TS]

  went down when I know I know that it turns off like the highest energy [TS]

  highest performance parts of the CPU so like an app that might be able to kick [TS]

  the CPU into a higher gear and no longer does that sort of slow something down [TS]

  like that it turns off background downloads for some apps so it won't [TS]

  necessarily do things on it the network in the background until you need it like [TS]

  it might switch your email from push to pull say it only check email when you go [TS]

  there [TS]

  and it turns out this is one of the things when he said like when Craig [TS]

  Federici said that it pulls some leverage in years that you don't even [TS]

  think we're there and one of those is that it turns off some of the animations [TS]

  in the UI so things are just does less and it looks less cool cool things get [TS]

  turned off but that they can really stretch out the amount of time you get a [TS]

  20% battery so here's I think it's good I think it's a good future I'm just [TS]

  curious about like how about when it gets below 33% you just start traveling [TS]

  all of us back automatically in the if you don't have a lot of power devices [TS]

  tired it's not going to be animating our time I can be downloading much and I [TS]

  think that's understandable to user is that crazy to thinkers like Uriah see [TS]

  from your notes you're calling an anthropomorphic but yeah like I fronts [TS]

  tired and so it slowed down [TS]

  yeah like when you run out of energy seemed natural to me as we ran out of [TS]

  energy on this show we start making less and less sense [TS]

  totally understand so I'm Jewish I mean I don't even know if there was I don't [TS]

  know it's just a funny thing it's sort of like we were saying about the iOS [TS]

  turning the UNIX model of app lifespan on its head where unix keeps processes [TS]

  alive until the process decides it wants to be dead at one stage it is sort of [TS]

  similar that where it's like the way computers have always worked is to [TS]

  always run as fast as you can at all times and then all of a sudden you're [TS]

  out of energy you know if you're running out of battery [TS]

  well that's it we have to go [TS]

  whereas it's kind of interesting to think of of a of a machine they gets [TS]

  tired and does less so that it can stay awake at two something you know be [TS]

  useful in some way longer I think so but on the other hand I mean I mean if [TS]

  Johnson playing a game to anyone like wouldn't he be paid I guess I don't know [TS]

  for certain is dropping frame rates as did I tell you what this one way to get [TS]

  this kid fired up it's too much trouble UH-sixty man we're never gonna cover all [TS]

  this stuff what about the number to call when Joanna stern was only the dog poop [TS]

  it so it just never gonna be having a dog poop shows I would say the two [TS]

  showed highlights of the year so far [TS]

  number two having Phil Schiller as a guest in new number one was having [TS]

  Joanna stern's dog show even Phil Schiller campy that don't make any topic [TS]

  what about the deep linking into apps there's this cool thing and I've got I [TS]

  was 9 running on my old 5s and I'm just starting to notice it but like in part [TS]

  of it is one example is like that safari is now available as a ViewController [TS]

  within Europe so like in the example that already works is if you click a [TS]

  link in email instead of switching to Safari you get a slide over panel that [TS]

  its Safari and so your bookmarks are there it's not just a WebView its Safari [TS]

  Safari view but then you get this new like back button up in the menu bar the [TS]

  status bar and then when you're done you just tap that and you're right back to [TS]

  where you wear and it's scary [TS]

  view controller is really and it's not technically dead for up from what we saw [TS]

  with extensions and presenting [TS]

  applications within the context does that every solve a lot of problems like [TS]

  I mean what can you know where I don't remember what happens and best movie [TS]

  clip we have our own built-in web you that you would love to get room frankly [TS]

  right right well because it was better than switching into Safari every time if [TS]

  you just wanted to take the link I not told you know I don't speak French but [TS]

  pretty sure he did not definite yet another web you know nobody takes really [TS]

  so I think that one of the things that followed some this is we're going to see [TS]

  a lot of abscess your switch from the built-in web used to just relying on [TS]

  this once they can or or you know they'll keep it around but only for wait [TS]

  for the people who have an upgraded I was not yet but you know just get rid of [TS]

  it and think it should and I like the solutions so far having that back button [TS]

  up in the status menu which solves the problem that the the hardware back [TS]

  button on Android tries to solve but I always find just confuses the hell out [TS]

  of me [TS]

  yeah that's the big difference is that with this iOS when it tells you exactly [TS]

  where you're going back to it says back to me now and you'll see that for any ad [TS]

  and it's open like there is in their example is obviously that you know [TS]

  Twitter got invited to early access to this and so that you can have it [TS]

  twitter.com / you know GTE's tweet I D URL and instead of opening it as a [TS]

  WebView Twitter can claim that domain and then open it right now and again [TS]

  it's a good view controller so it's not switching you to the app it's just [TS]

  showing you a Twitter view temporarily and then you can hit back and you're [TS]

  right back to reading your email so one big change is that they are not happy [TS]

  with HTTP HTTPS traffic in fact if you use their higher level API's HTTP [TS]

  connections will basically be rejected so we had to you know we got a certain [TS]

  extent distilled and we were doing just fine stuff like asking through the list [TS]

  of tutorial text you know nothing but whatever they're not wrong so we moved [TS]

  to https you can have exceptions of you reading I could you know that you said [TS]

  before look at Twitter client or overcast early another podcast you gonna [TS]

  need to connected to means that under control and you cannot assume that they [TS]

  have security certificate dad said we can change things just keep waiting in [TS]

  weird places but I do think it's a mistake to where the puck is going to be [TS]

  a change like it yeah I told you can smell it coming [TS]

  that pretty soon just plain HTTP is going to be considered gross like the [TS]

  way FTP is compared to SFTP or something like that even though it's not his [TS]

  personal you know and I've got during fireball set up now about to do HTTPS [TS]

  yes I think I think everything works but but i still dont link to that by the [TS]

  fault and I think I probably should and I think it's like the old-time nineties [TS]

  web developer me things were that slow and if it isn't actually asking for [TS]

  personal information of any sort you shouldn't you know there's no reason to [TS]

  do that [TS]

  whereas I think in the modern day I think any modern web server can serve [TS]

  ATP [TS]

  like that's the least of your problems performance wise yeah I mean even for [TS]

  static content like we mean these days we do full disk encryption like [TS]

  everybody is getting crowded on the way in and out and it's effectively free and [TS]

  wouldn't worry about HTTPS I'm going to start doing that because you know what I [TS]

  want to get your bullshit not somebody's third parties [TS]

  another thing I just small little thing but I one thing I noticed was that the [TS]

  way that all the groundwork Apple iSlate trick sensibility and and and the the [TS]

  primary reason for that is to help people who need it [TS]

  people with low vision accessibility features for that you know whatever it [TS]

  whatever the problems you might have that you need accessibility that's the [TS]

  primary reason to do it but all sorts of good things are falling out with that [TS]

  code has a new UID debugging features are you can debug the user interface of [TS]

  your appt not just the logic of the app and it's all built on top of the [TS]

  accessibility features so it's too good things that come out of the same thing [TS]

  you make your act accessible and then Xcode can debug the user interface some [TS]

  so cloudy but whenever we skipped over it like in the in memoriam the notes [TS]

  that we skipped over it [TS]

  accessibility is almost a misnomer where the way these setup accessibility is [TS]

  basically to present your application [TS]

  in such a way that is open to alternative interfaces the primary into [TS]

  basis obviously you like it when I get on the bag but accessibility resent your [TS]

  interface in a way that it can be understood by people who have satan [TS]

  pediments or no other disabilities people with motor disabilities [TS]

  challenges yet [TS]

  disabilities that there's a lot of that too it exposes what the the applications [TS]

  intent rather than the visual interface which you know we all pay a lot of [TS]

  attention to more so because I believe that the majority of us have some like a [TS]

  fair degree in visual acumen and battles really gonna win this and you know what [TS]

  they don't make there's no way no and you know it's one of those things that [TS]

  Tim Cook said they don't do it for the ROI but good things come out of it [TS]

  though right like this I am I you know you know I friend Doug Russell is it I [TS]

  love it physically accessibility API makes you consider while you [TS]

  applications about more than laying out buttons laying out you know sliders and [TS]

  table these now that accessibility makes you uneasy about how you exposing your [TS]

  data model and I think for that reason alone it's it's worth considering the [TS]

  other thing that I will end just as an aside apparently there to help her [TS]

  killer Helen Keller achievement word was [TS]

  boys over this year I didn't say that but I turned inside but the other thing [TS]

  that it is I heard on the depth doing right to left [TS]

  yeah that's the big thing I notice and i'd noted it's like if you set up your [TS]

  if you do this did you set up your layout the way Apple wants you to view [TS]

  controllers and going into europe hierarchy it sounds unbelievable to me [TS]

  but I get it just works and so like for people using right-to-left languages [TS]

  like hearing Hebrew and Arabic obviously the two big ones are the least I know [TS]

  your whole Apple can go right to left and right which is great and I don't [TS]

  even know what proportion the world and he is everybody he wants them aware that [TS]

  same here but it's like it's mind blowing me and and and I pronounce her [TS]

  last name but it's our Radhey Radhey Radhey mind like his hits like here's an [TS]

  app where it starts on the right and the back button as top ride and you go [TS]

  further into the hierarchy by going to the left and it all sounds too good to [TS]

  be true but I'll just works but they did not find that in like the the pagination [TS]

  do what you think is the best example is the home screen the one that she is [TS]

  rather than going left to right to demand 22 pages you go to last [TS]

  that's purely [TS]

  and I'm not I don't have time to that out but their time on stage at the state [TS]

  of the union was certainly comparable to Josh analyzed yes this was something [TS]

  like Josh [TS]

  watch kit which everybody is a rabbit and several ready did accessibility and [TS]

  you shouldn't be accessible to use interface layer from right to left and [TS]

  David Cameron home and I it's one of the Marco remember things is that they make [TS]

  me believe the day being honest when they said that they hold these things [TS]

  did is that the mana minutes they gave this talk this Saturday even bother [TS]

  developing it why would you there's no reason I'm sure that is not shed from [TS]

  their bullshit devices that don't bother to do the red last thing but it's better [TS]

  and so I don't think of it [TS]

  somebody who literally only speak one language English but I don't think about [TS]

  the fact if I think about it I realized a day-to-day basis I think about the [TS]

  fact that the way that the hierarchies work like column view in the Finder or [TS]

  you know which is an old next -ism that goes back to the eighties this sort of [TS]

  column be which really really set the stage for the feeling is the iPod yeah I [TS]

  mean it's it the iPhone at the but the reason we go left to right with that is [TS]

  because our language is left to right and then we go our eyes go left to right [TS]

  in that for right-to-left languages it would make more sense for the hierarchy [TS]

  of the interface to go right to left as well and and programmatically it's not [TS]

  that they've got a band you mind a little bit but it's just the other thing [TS]

  I got out of that part of it is that it's the right thing to do and like you [TS]

  said they didn't have to because I'm sure that people who who run their [TS]

  iPhones in Arabic are used to the fact that they're reading the words right to [TS]

  left but they're navigating the interface left just used to yeah I'm [TS]

  left-handed adapted to add to it and I'm sure that people that we'd like to left [TS]

  naturally just say well good my phone works his way and that's fine but [TS]

  there's another there's another aspect of this that does have a practical [TS]

  website for Apple and that's the fact that they're making it they keep adding [TS]

  features to add translations to your appt in other languages as easy as [TS]

  possible as powerful as possible even emphasize now that only [TS]

  make it the number wrong but somewhere around thirty percent of that downloads [TS]

  are in the united states right now I'm not quite sure they didn't do it by [TS]

  language but if it only 30% about downloader United States and a huge [TS]

  portion of them just just two countries alone China and Japan together account [TS]

  for over 50% of app downloads so if you want to you're you're leaving off a [TS]

  majority of the iOS user base if you don't have Chinese and Japanese [TS]

  translations of around and obviously you and I you know I can't translate [TS]

  aspirant Chinese and you can trust [TS]

  translate napkin into Japanese but there are services that we can commission to [TS]

  do these translations for us here is a list of English strings please give us [TS]

  the Japanese and Chinese equivalent Apple is bending over backwards I think [TS]

  to make that possible and that's so that you don't have to you know Chinese users [TS]

  don't have to only use apps written by Chinese developers that they can get [TS]

  absent or written you know from anybody anywhere in the world that just takes [TS]

  the step of getting a translator to translate the UI yeah I told him I [TS]

  didn't have encountered before the show needs it but I'm gonna get it [TS]

  minimum to at least through four sessions this dressed international [TS]

  reaction they did not know this but I don't think we're done here in about i [TS]

  think thats I think that's going to be like a constant theme and forth should [TS]

  be because you know the world is a big place and pretending that the USS [TS]

  menaces it's the only place that matters the most though [TS]

  well it's the only place that matters historically and you can work out deals [TS]

  no seriously you know I'm Canadian we're not going to get news we need to get to [TS]

  that but well I mean we have some restrictions and Canadian content and [TS]

  Quebec is only francophone soldiers Darrell we know people who work in the [TS]

  iBooks try to things that have had difficulty finding deals we can just [TS]

  like anything so I understand it just bring back making funny you how funny [TS]

  was it when they ran down for a moment I was very funny and I was writing a note [TS]

  at the time so what happens whenever he said Susan Prescott was unveiling news [TS]

  and she was saying you know in addition to the new york times in Wired magazine [TS]

  shows that you can also read your favorite blogs like daring fireball and [TS]

  I was like heads down writing notes in my notebook and I was like the only [TS]

  thing and I had no idea that they made me mad about it my first thought was wow [TS]

  that's incredible I cannot believe that just happened in my second thought as I [TS]

  wish the day told me in advance because I would have I would have given him a [TS]

  much better graphic for the logo they made my logo they also did you in with [TS]

  her until I guess I'm saying that we don't have time to talk about the color [TS]

  I didn't mind that they changed the color cuz it doesn't look at projected [TS]

  but I don't like it when I did like it today made the circle with the star in [TS]

  it as big as could possibly fit in the space whereas it should have been small [TS]

  in my example a week long has it been complaining about this incredibly great [TS]

  publicity that they give me is that if you look at the back of your iPhone how [TS]

  big is the apple on the back of the iPhone it's small but that's how small [TS]

  the daring fireball logo should have been [TS]

  overall rectangle that they give you on the new site where they made it look as [TS]

  big as it could possibly be the fit but that's a small you know this entire show [TS]

  think saying like nice things about you you know when they show my logo they can [TS]

  make it whatever sucking says in the Keno ok I gotta go this has been a great [TS]

  time and really appreciate it thank our sponsors carries over into airspace [TS]

  great sponsors glad to have all guy English people can see on Twitter your [TS]

  username is GTE and you know you're OK on Twitter and your appt napkin is just [TS]

  google it [TS]

  aid but it's aged how do you spell the domain name age dash and dash to still [TS]

  come over in a peek in just his time to type it in your favorite search engine [TS]

  just type and you'll find it a great great app for the Mac that I use all the [TS]

  time so check it out and I'll talk to an apt can wait is it really easy to [TS]

  remember and wait wait I should [TS]

  AP and AP AP . KN with this is that super excited that's a great that's a [TS]

  great to me you know she'll it did not have to put up [TS]